The Megyn Kelly Show - Injustice Against Female Boxer at Olympics, and Trump vs. Black Journalists, with Charlie Kirk, Steve Deace, and Delano Squires ｜ Ep. 854

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.880 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Oh, we've got a lot to get to

00:00:16.300 with Trump's appearance before the National Association of Black Journalists yesterday.

00:00:21.600 Looking forward to that discussion with Charlie Kirk in one minute. But we begin with the insanity

00:00:26.520 on display at the Olympic Games. With the whole world watching, we have just witnessed a biological 0.98

00:00:33.340 woman, also known as just a woman, in a fight with a boxer who was not allowed to compete against 1.00

00:00:40.340 women last year because it's a man. The person's splitting hairs. Everyone's splitting hairs around 1.00

00:00:46.400 this person saying, well, he has XY chromosomes, but I guess we can't call him a man because he

00:00:53.040 calls himself a woman. I don't give a shit. You have XY chromosomes. You're a man for athletic 1.00

00:00:59.740 purposes and other purposes. And this person was banned from competing in international tournaments

00:01:06.960 last year and yet was allowed to enter the Olympics so he could pummel female boxers.

00:01:15.940 They failed the gender eligibility test. I mean, that's what they're saying. You know why?

00:01:22.840 Because it's a man. The outcome was beyond predictable for anyone with common sense.

00:01:29.320 It took 46 seconds for the woman, his opponent from Italy, to withdraw from the fight in tears.

00:01:39.620 This is the man is Algeria's Imeen Khalif. He reportedly, repeatedly pummeled her in the face.

00:01:47.340 Look at this below. Look at that. Walloped her. This is what female athletes are up against 1.00

00:01:54.400 when the powers that be will not protect them. Megan Rapinoe says it's not happening.

00:02:00.060 She says they're fine. Why don't you tell it to Italian boxer, Angela Carini, literally brought to 0.61

00:02:07.180 her knees and to tears. F you, Megan Rapinoe. You left the sport. You don't have to deal with this.

00:02:13.760 Your kid, she doesn't have one, is not going to have to deal with this nonsense.

00:02:19.580 Mine is, the listeners of this show have children who are going to have to deal with this.

00:02:24.460 This poor boxer retreated to the corner yelling, this is unjust, as her Olympic dream came crashing 1.00

00:02:31.880 down thanks to a weak-kneed international Olympic committee that allowed this to happen. 0.99

00:02:38.640 Listen to how the IOC explained its decision just a few days ago.

00:02:43.760 They are women in their passports, and it's stated that that is the case, that they are 0.99

00:02:49.680 female. They're competing in the women's category. Again, I don't want to mention their names or

00:02:56.720 whatever, but these athletes have competed many times before for many years.

00:03:01.060 And were also banned, which you now refuse to acknowledge as you let them play in the Olympics.

00:03:07.940 It remains to be seen how NBC News, the broadcast network of the games here in America, will cover this

00:03:14.020 here at home, since they are as woke and pro-trans, quote, writes, as humanly possible.

00:03:20.320 Does anyone remember the women? Anyone at all?

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00:04:21.220 Joining me now, Charlie Kirk, founder and CEO of Turning Point USA and host of The Charlie Kirk

00:04:26.080 Show. Charlie, welcome back to the show. This is such an outrage.

00:04:30.220 Thank you so much. It's a total injustice. I was just reading a USA Today piece right when I

00:04:34.460 was preparing for this. And in the USA Today piece, it's very confusing if you don't actually

00:04:38.200 know the story. It says, woman from Algeria wins decisive bouts with woman from Italy. They refuse to 0.72

00:04:47.460 even now say transgender woman, which is a fake term, but they don't even say transgender woman

00:04:52.180 anymore. They just say woman. The New York Times has a title, they say, at the center of the chromosome 0.92

00:04:59.420 dispute. That's what they now call it. The chromosome dispute. What they're trying to do is confuse

00:05:06.520 readers so that people don't get animated and get upset about this. And people say, well,

00:05:10.860 that doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm just going to move on to the next story. Or there must be more

00:05:14.060 to this. Or maybe it was somebody that has is intersex or has some sort of chromosomal and extra

00:05:20.440 chromosome. Or I don't know. Instead, this is a biological man from Algeria, which is it's an 0.95

00:05:26.220 interesting part of the story because that is a Muslim country. And why they're also supporting this 0.99

00:05:32.100 is kind of bizarre and strange. But that's that's a side side issue at the IOC. But we should expect

00:05:37.680 this. This is the next logical step of America's influence in the world. We are the leaders of the

00:05:44.960 world. We have workshopped trans ideology and men and female sports. And it started here. And now

00:05:53.840 it's in the Olympic boxing and the Olympic platform. These radical trans activists and those who support

00:06:01.780 them are not going to be happy until a woman is dead. That's what it's going to take. A woman is 1.00

00:06:08.940 going to have to die for people to see reason and logic. I don't think that would stop it. 0.97

00:06:17.480 We're inching closer and closer, right? We have a young girl with permanent nerve damage, 0.94

00:06:21.720 but it's going to have a girl missing all of her teeth. Now, thanks to field hockey in the United 1.00

00:06:25.400 States, we've got this woman pummeled to the face. And this is a boxer. This is not a weak woman. 1.00

00:06:31.780 The Italian who was boxing against this Algerian man. She she's taken a beating before from other 1.00

00:06:36.760 women. She doesn't complain. She said she got in there with within 46 seconds. She knew. And I'll

00:06:42.220 just read what she said. She wrote, I got into the ring to fight, but I didn't feel like it anymore.

00:06:47.180 After the first minute, I started to feel a strong pain in my nose. I didn't give up, but a punch hurt

00:06:52.200 too much. And so I said, enough. I'm leaving with my head held high. I'm used to suffering. I've never

00:06:58.680 taken a punch like that. It's impossible to continue. And then she said, who am I to say

00:07:03.800 it's illegal? She she realizes she doesn't set the rules. These poor women are being fed like 1.00

00:07:09.660 lambs to the slaughter in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

00:07:13.940 But I'm not Italian, so I'm not going to criticize her. She is weak. Why won't you stand up and 0.99

00:07:18.500 say I'm fighting a man? Because she's part of the entire European trans project. Again, 1.00

00:07:24.980 this is going to require athletes. And remember, a couple about a month and a half ago, the now

00:07:30.940 repeated gold medalist, incredibly impressive athlete, 1500 meter gold medalist, Katie Ledecky

00:07:37.240 was asked about men and female sports. And she just dodged the question. It's like, oh,

00:07:42.120 I'm not really sure about that. Again, female athletes are not standing up for this. They're 1.00

00:07:47.120 largely OK with this and or they are not OK with it, but they're too afraid or weak to speak out

00:07:53.420 about it. Men are not going to fix this. You've seen that. I mean, how many times are now men

00:07:57.460 speaking out about this? I speak out about this. Donald Trump speaks out about this. Instead,

00:08:02.140 it needs to be a female led athlete movement. But that woman who got pummeled in the face, 1.00

00:08:06.940 she's upset. She's crying. But then she plays into the injustice. Oh, well, who am I to say that

00:08:11.680 it's wrong? Well, you actually are here to say you could change this. You could now make this your

00:08:16.160 number one issue and say, I just had to fight a man. I'm a tough boxer. And I just got almost

00:08:22.880 knocked out in the first minute because I was fighting somebody, unlike a physical specimen I've

00:08:30.100 never seen before. But Megan, this is only going to continue. It will likely result in permanent

00:08:35.360 damage of women, which the trans movement, by the way, specializes in. The trans movement specializes 0.91

00:08:41.640 in permanent physical damage of females, as we know, with gender medical mutilation in our country.

00:08:49.840 But yes, this is America's influence on the world. America will influence the rest of the Western

00:08:53.840 world. And we have decided to make this the standard operating procedure. Of course, we saw what

00:09:00.340 happened with Thomas, the swimmer from the University of Pennsylvania. We did nothing. We allowed Thomas to

00:09:05.980 keep all those awards. Why should we be shocked that the IOC embraces the same idea toxins that we,

00:09:13.260 the United States of America, workshop and implement? Yes. And a word on what you said about the media

00:09:19.720 and the way they're reporting this. I love the Daily Mail. They're they speak reason. They write

00:09:25.560 reason. However, they and the New York Post, I feel the same about them, are still using she,

00:09:31.280 her pronouns for men competing in sport. Why? Out of a concern for sensitivity or because it's policy.

00:09:40.320 You I beg you to stop doing that. I beg you. Not only is it bizarrely confusing to read the articles.

00:09:48.100 Look at this. This is a man. This is a man who is competing in the boxing tournament for women.

00:09:54.220 This is the guy who punched her so badly in the face she had to leave.

00:09:57.560 And again, it is up for a society to prevent the abuse of women. But we don't do that anymore. And 0.99

00:10:01.740 we haven't for quite some time. And understand, this is the outgrowth of third wave feminism, 0.99

00:10:06.940 because third wave feminism says women don't need to be protected. Women don't need the door to be 1.00

00:10:10.320 held open for them. Women don't need a man to protect them. Okay, you don't? Then go box a 1.00

00:10:15.200 bunch of men. Read the literature of third wave feminism. No, third wave feminism says 0.99

00:10:19.960 that women do not need that we are equal to men. They're captured. Like all these news organizations 0.80

00:10:25.800 and Fox News is there too, are captured by this need to use the proper language. And I've mentioned

00:10:31.220 this article many times, but it's called pronouns are rohypnol. And they are rohypnol. It was banned

00:10:35.540 on the internet for a long time. Then it finally got published at Medium. And it goes through the

00:10:41.300 fact that it's meant to dull your senses. It's meant to get rid of like the forced attempt to

00:10:47.440 make you say she, her, when it's a man, is meant to get you used to looking at a man like we just saw

00:10:52.040 and be like, yeah, she, her, that works. That's okay. That's a thing for a guy with a penis, 0.96

00:10:57.420 for a guy with X, Y, no problem. And it's dangerous because then you get to the point where you're like, 1.00

00:11:04.160 sure. How can I say she can't box with the women? How do I say her presence there is inappropriate? 1.00

00:11:12.400 Especially when you're reporting on a controversy like this, I am begging even the woke publications

00:11:17.800 to use the proper biological pronouns. That is the least they owe us as actual women. 0.98

00:11:25.620 This woman who took the beating, Angela Carini, she's a cop in Italy, Charlie. She's not some

00:11:31.180 weak, you know, forgive me. My good friend's a needle pointer. She's not a needle pointer. 0.99

00:11:36.680 She's a cop. She will. I guarantee you she'll get this.

00:11:40.640 She's co-signing alongside of this. Okay. She's got to be getting it. Her coach came out and said

00:11:44.700 the following. He said, I think it's a male. I don't know if her nose is broken. I have to speak

00:11:49.320 with her. But many people in Italy tried to call and tell her, don't go, please. It's a man.

00:11:55.180 It's dangerous for you. But she, like a lot of women, Charlie, a lot of women came out and said,

00:12:02.460 you know, I really believe in respect for your opponent. Um, it, it can, it, it, you can't be

00:12:09.420 abusive like any sport. It has to be a vehicle for, I can, I can remember, I can understand the

00:12:14.580 translation here, but basically she says, respect for your opponent. I think this girl, much like

00:12:18.980 Paula Scanlon, you know, one of the, one of the swimmers who went up against Leah Thomas

00:12:22.880 might be staying silent in the moment, but this, this point has got to, has got to be a before

00:12:28.260 and after moment for her. Yeah. And one, one point about the news organizations and that you might be

00:12:34.380 able to get away with it, Megan, but this conversation right here is banned from YouTube.

00:12:37.280 If I were to post what we just said here on YouTube, I've, I've lost my YouTube for a year

00:12:41.080 and a half over this very conversation, all monetization. We got strikes. So I mean, you might

00:12:45.320 be able to get away with it. Uh, but you know, Charlie Kirk is, you know, some sort of awful person,

00:12:49.460 but this is one of the reasons why the news organizations do this is the tech companies

00:12:52.860 say, we will not put your articles in search engine optimization. If you miss gender, because

00:12:57.800 it's bullying harassment, I would not be able to do this segment on Tik TOK because it's

00:13:01.500 bullying harassment. So the trans zealots, they have captured the tech companies and they work 0.84

00:13:07.540 at these tech companies and they then are able to have a downstream tributary effect of the

00:13:13.240 monopolization of thought control through all these other news organizations. So New York

00:13:18.260 Post to the Washington Post, New York times, if they miss gender, they will not be able to get

00:13:23.740 their article pushed through Apple news. They will not be able to get their article pushed through

00:13:28.220 Google, pushed through Yahoo, pushed through Facebook. And so it's not even a journalist thing.

00:13:33.380 It's a monetization thing from editors where they say, Oh, just, just call the man a woman. It's fine. 0.99

00:13:38.580 I know you don't agree with it. And look, they worship money far more than they care about the

00:13:43.760 well-being of women. And that's been the case for quite some time. But I just want your audience

00:13:47.640 to understand that there is a serious monetary implication here where I am not allowed to cover

00:13:54.120 this story on YouTube today. So it's just going to be completely silent. My YouTube will not be able

00:13:57.840 to talk about this because anything in the trans topic, I immediately get a strike. I lose access to

00:14:02.980 our YouTube, which is a big part of obviously our podcast business and all that stuff. That is the

00:14:07.760 power of the trans zealots over our society. I'm begging them to stop this. A woman is going to 1.00

00:14:17.260 die. A girl is going to be killed. We have to stop this insanity. Even if you're in favor of allowing 0.98

00:14:24.800 biological males to compete against girls posing as women or girls, you must allow us to say they are 0.93

00:14:31.960 men. You must allow the platforming of he, him instead of she, her in the context of this

00:14:39.300 discussion. When somebody dies, these publications will have blood on their hands for continuing the

00:14:46.540 madness, the lie, this subterfuge. These are not women. That is exactly the problem. And now here in 1.00

00:14:55.720 this in in the Daily Mail article about this, which is a good one, and I recommend people read it.

00:14:59.840 They've gotten a lot of reaction saying bosses at the IOC are now facing a furious backlash

00:15:05.680 following the fight. Former prime minister of the UK, Liz Trust came, Trust came out and said,

00:15:12.340 when will the madness stop? Men cannot become women. Why is the British government not objecting to this? 1.00

00:15:18.740 Then you've got British Olympian hero Sharon Davies saying today, this is shocking. The IOC are a bloody 0.85

00:15:25.180 disgrace, in effect, legalizing, beating up females. This must stop. What the hell's the matter with 0.99

00:15:30.740 them? You've got Barry McGugan, who is a former world featherweight world champion, says he's now

00:15:39.320 president of the Professional Boxing Association, saying this is shocking and a pathetic decision to 0.97

00:15:44.660 allow a man to fight a woman. And then you've got yet another man, Lin Yuting of Taiwan. Also, just like 0.78

00:15:54.260 this guy from Algeria, disqualified from world championships just last year, playing in this

00:16:00.080 Olympics. So we got a guy from Taiwan and this Algerian continuing to play. No one's even talking 0.77

00:16:06.900 right now about eliminating them. They held up the Algerians hand in victory, Charlie. They wanted 1.00

00:16:13.780 us to celebrate it. Correct. People in the auditorium were booing. Yeah. And look, this is

00:16:18.920 Kamala Harris should be asked about this, by the way. She's all about women's rights and all of her 1.00

00:16:22.940 ridiculous advertisements that they're running. And it's not insignificant. If Kamala Harris or Joe Biden 0.94

00:16:29.440 called the IOC a week ago, they could have gotten this rule change. America calls all the shots. You know

00:16:33.840 that. America's hosted in the next Olympics, by the way, in Los Angeles. America is the biggest

00:16:38.240 funder of this. America controls NATO. The Olympics are in Paris. We've been funding this ridiculous

00:16:42.920 Ukrainian war effort. The Harris Biden regime, they could have put an end to this, but they chose not

00:16:48.940 to because they are captured. They are captured by a group of people that could not care less about

00:16:55.820 the safety or the well-being of women. They are captured by all the extensions of this trans movement. 1.00

00:17:02.440 And again, Megan Rapinoe says, well, it's not happening, but if it's happening, it's good that

00:17:08.860 it is. And this is, you said it perfectly, Megan. This is soft but subtle mind control.

00:17:14.840 They do not want you to speak out against this. They want you to go into a place where you are scared

00:17:20.000 and you are afraid. And amazingly, if we had an honest media, this would be a political liability

00:17:26.240 for Kamala Harris. She says she's enjoying all this new female support across the country

00:17:30.720 where women themselves are being beat up and targeted and are being abused by biological

00:17:37.560 men under the very movement that is being pushed by the Western left. But yes, Kamala Harris should 0.83

00:17:44.920 have to answer this. She won't. She doesn't take questions anymore. She's doing a Joe Biden type 1.00

00:17:48.900 strategy. Do a rally. Go home. But this is a major issue. And to President Donald Trump's

00:17:54.400 great credit, it is a repeated platform issue of the Republican Party. He mentions it at almost

00:18:00.400 every single rally that men will not play in female sports, period. I would not be shocked if 0.99

00:18:06.040 Donald Trump speaks out about this. He might have already spoken out about this. And this is a

00:18:10.400 fundamental issue of justice, well-being and protecting individuals.

00:18:14.520 Every reporter needs to ask Kamala Harris where she stands on this. She won't make it clear she's on 1.00

00:18:22.640 record as as supporting these so-called trans rights. She we have a soundbite here of her bragging 0.58

00:18:28.980 about how she got a prisoner, a sex change operation on the taxpayers dime. So she wants the poor people 1.00

00:18:37.540 in California to pay for this guy to have his penis chopped off. Listen to this. 1.00

00:18:43.760 When I was attorney general, I learned that the California Department of Corrections, which was a

00:18:49.140 client of mine, I didn't get to choose my clients, that they were standing in the way of surgery.

00:18:57.640 For prisoners. For prisoners. And there was a specific case. And when I learned about the case,

00:19:02.660 I worked behind the scenes to not only make sure that that transgender woman got 0.97

00:19:07.220 the services she was deserving. So it wasn't only about that case.

00:19:12.080 I made sure that they changed the policy in the state of California

00:19:16.060 so that every transgender

00:19:18.320 inmate in the prison system would have access to the medical care

00:19:23.660 that they desired and need. And I believe it was not only

00:19:27.800 I know it was historic in California, but I believe actually it may have been one of the first,

00:19:31.880 if not the first in the country

00:19:33.480 where I pushed for that policy.

00:19:36.740 Yay. Good for you. And Charlie, this is, we're having this conversation on August 1st.

00:19:41.000 On August 1st. And you know what happens today?

00:19:43.760 It's the implementation of their absolutely absurd Title IX revisions

00:19:48.360 where they erased protections for women.

00:19:51.080 Right now, kids are getting ready to go back to school.

00:19:54.540 And in the vast majority of states, 21 have challenged the changes legally.

00:19:57.800 The rest have not. They're more blue states or purple states.

00:20:00.680 Right now, your little girl is going to go to school in the vast majority of America.

00:20:05.180 And she will be forced to compete against boys just like this Olympic athlete was.

00:20:10.000 She will be forced to share her bathroom and her locker room with biological boys, 1.00

00:20:15.280 some of whom will have autogynephilia, where it is more about getting off sexually

00:20:20.240 than it has to do with gender confusion.

00:20:22.320 And that is 100% because of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

00:20:27.020 That's right. And so there are real world implications and policies at play here.

00:20:32.020 And you've done a phenomenal job of covering the Title IX issue.

00:20:35.560 The media has completely and totally ignored it.

00:20:38.220 I think this is a perfect attack vector, especially if we're looking to win Arizona,

00:20:42.520 Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin.

00:20:44.580 In those states in particular, it's not popular to say that your high school daughter has to

00:20:49.780 shower next to a dude under the idea of trans equality.

00:20:53.520 But let me just kind of go back to that Kamala Harris clip.

00:20:56.320 First of all, God forbid she becomes president. 0.99

00:20:57.980 We need to do everything we possibly can.

00:20:59.880 She will destroy this country. 0.69

00:21:01.160 And she's already destroying the country as vice president. 1.00

00:21:03.260 But how she is just disgustingly pandering to the trans agenda there, 1.00

00:21:07.760 to a guy who's obviously a man with his very deep voice trying to win over the trans agenda.

00:21:13.660 Oh, yes, as attorney general, I made sure that biological men could go into prisons. 1.00

00:21:18.240 And just so we know, just so you know, because of her policy, women are getting raped regularly 1.00

00:21:24.380 in female prisons in California. 0.96

00:21:27.140 We just had a guest on our podcast where she went, Amy Akachawa, very, very impressive 0.97

00:21:33.000 young woman from Independent Women's Forum.

00:21:35.920 And she was talking about, oh, yes, when I was a prisoner there, there were trans inmates

00:21:39.860 or just let's call them men.

00:21:41.340 Yeah, she's terrific.

00:21:41.960 And the details and the horror and the graphic nature of this.

00:21:47.300 But I just want everybody to understand this as a repeated theme.

00:21:50.220 The left has never cared about women.

00:21:52.440 They do not care about women. 0.98

00:21:54.000 The left only cares about power and they care about the incineration of Western civilization.

00:21:59.020 They are cheering what is happening right now in Paris because it is the obliteration of

00:22:03.880 the norms and the customs and the traditions of Western society.

00:22:07.680 For them, this is a step forward.

00:22:09.620 This is what progress looks like.

00:22:11.160 Progress is the unfolding of Western society and Western civilization.

00:22:17.260 This is going to be largely memory hold by the media.

00:22:19.860 They know that in a political election year, this story in Paris is bad for them.

00:22:24.320 But I don't think it's going away, right, Megan?

00:22:25.880 This was not the gold medal match.

00:22:27.540 This man is going to keep on marching through.

00:22:29.640 There are more men that are going to keep on competing.

00:22:31.660 And it's incumbent on us now, as we are in this hot political season, to shine a light

00:22:37.440 and to make this a primary issue of how women in America and women of the Western world, 0.89

00:22:43.500 they are unprotected thanks to the policies of the left, the lack of Title IX now because

00:22:50.800 the entire kind of sports tradition that we have in this country is over.

00:22:55.760 There's no more female sports. 1.00

00:22:57.020 There's just men's sports and other sports.

00:23:00.060 And it's remarkable to me how many suburban women moms continue to vote for the Democrat 0.96

00:23:05.760 party.

00:23:06.520 You'll have to explain that one for me, Megan.

00:23:09.140 But I guess they're upset that Donald Trump's tone is off.

00:23:11.860 They need to pay attention.

00:23:13.800 No one's talking about it.

00:23:15.000 But I keep on hearing that.

00:23:17.120 But yes and no.

00:23:18.460 It's been many years, though.

00:23:19.500 I mean, you confront them and they're like, well, I guess it needs some examination.

00:23:24.940 They are putting their young daughters and their family members up for potential rape,

00:23:30.900 sexual harassment, sexual assault, or as you aptly put it, death as a female athlete against

00:23:36.800 men. 0.98

00:23:37.560 It is just a matter of time.

00:23:39.440 Kamala Harris, she is as pro-trans rights as they come.

00:23:45.540 She is not a champion for women.

00:23:47.420 She is a champion for men posing as women. 0.85

00:23:51.340 She not only had this Jonathan Ness to the White House recently in a dress with a beard.

00:23:56.940 We have this.

00:23:57.760 Watch.

00:24:00.160 Look at this.

00:24:02.000 This is the party calling J.D. Vance weird.

00:24:05.940 Hi.

00:24:07.760 Can we talk?

00:24:09.440 You're on the Edmund Pestridge down.

00:24:12.220 Oh, wow.

00:24:13.500 Hi.

00:24:14.080 How you're not?

00:24:14.560 That's my president.

00:24:15.880 Okay.

00:24:18.280 He's got a beard, a mustache, and he's wearing a dress.

00:24:22.440 She appeared on RuPaul's Drag Race to promote her candidacy a week ago. 0.97

00:24:27.600 This is the same show that recently paraded a trans person down the runway holding her fake 0.98

00:24:34.640 severed breasts, which were bloody, on the runway and had fake arms around her with scalpels 1.00

00:24:41.260 cutting off breast tissue with blood dripping down her chest.

00:24:45.680 This is something.

00:24:46.420 Look at this.

00:24:47.160 This is the show.

00:24:47.980 Kamala Harris.

00:24:49.200 This is one of the first things she did.

00:24:50.320 She went on this show to announce her candidacy and ask for donations and support.

00:24:55.340 Not only that, but she wrote a letter to Dylan Mulvaney, who is one of the most offensive

00:25:00.360 trans people to women because all he does is mock us with his little girl outfits.

00:25:06.380 This is a grown man.

00:25:07.940 Last year, she sent him a letter saying, Dear Dylan, I send you my warmest greetings as

00:25:11.420 you celebrate your 365th day of living authentically.

00:25:15.460 Thank you for courageously sharing your journey and your story.

00:25:18.740 I appreciate your continued advocacy for transgender equality, including during your visit to the

00:25:23.900 White House last year.

00:25:25.240 Through your work as an activist and advocate for the LGBTQ plus community, you continue to

00:25:29.420 break barriers and inspire young people around the nation and the world.

00:25:33.640 There is no question where this woman stands.

00:25:36.380 And it is not with our fellow women.

00:25:39.040 But Charlie, what we're going to get instead is Trump said controversial things in front

00:25:47.580 of the National Association of Black Journalists.

00:25:49.660 He said things that the Twittering class found upsetting.

00:25:54.500 Is anybody upset about that a woman almost got beaten to a pulp by a man on stage for

00:25:58.700 entertainment at the Olympics?

00:25:59.780 Did those people care?

00:26:01.080 No, and that's just one example of thousands that we could find.

00:26:04.040 And again, this is what they consider to be progress.

00:26:07.780 I know you'll agree with this, Megan, but the society has become way too feminine in the 1.00

00:26:12.260 sense where no one is willing to draw a line.

00:26:15.240 No one is willing to say no.

00:26:16.920 It is hyper feelings.

00:26:18.700 And again, the balance between the masculine and the feminine in society is what keeps things 1.00

00:26:23.220 in stability and order.

00:26:24.540 We need both.

00:26:25.340 And we see we see the relentless attack on President Trump and J.D.

00:26:30.160 Vance and Kamala Harris is going to try to run a campaign of, well, you know, we have feelings 1.00

00:26:35.120 and we have emotion and love is love and we're open for everybody.

00:26:39.480 I sure hope that this country gets back to a place where we are willing to say no in a

00:26:45.060 traditional nuclear family.

00:26:46.500 It is dad's job to tell the kid, no, it is their job.

00:26:50.940 It is dad's job to say, stop doing that.

00:26:53.360 No, these are the rules of the house.

00:26:55.580 I am the enforcer.

00:26:56.660 I'm in charge.

00:26:57.720 And right now in American society, dad's not home.

00:27:01.260 Joe Biden has dementia and doesn't know where he is.

00:27:04.460 And Kamala Harris is saying, do whatever you want all in the name of progress.

00:27:08.640 It requires somebody.

00:27:10.040 And this is why the conflict this cycle really is the masculine versus the fake feminine,

00:27:16.060 because Kamala Harris is not even the best virtues of femininity. 1.00

00:27:19.520 Let's be very clear, clashing up against one another where Donald Trump's entire campaign,

00:27:24.740 think about it.

00:27:25.240 It's no, you're not allowed to invade our country anymore.

00:27:27.980 No, you're not allowed to compete in our sports anymore.

00:27:30.600 Men and female sports.

00:27:32.380 No, you're not allowed to saber rattle against America if you are adversaries.

00:27:36.780 It is the reinstituting of boundaries and borders and rules that actually keep us free.

00:27:44.720 This is, I think, the buried lead of the 2024 election.

00:27:49.340 And if people vote for Kamala Harris, you are putting your daughters at great jeopardy

00:27:53.620 and great risk.

00:27:54.500 Not an exaggeration.

00:27:55.760 It is factual.

00:27:56.800 It is proven.

00:27:57.780 It is evidentiary.

00:27:59.160 It's so interesting what you were just saying.

00:28:01.200 I mean, even in my own family where no one would accuse me of being a weak person.

00:28:05.460 Um, there is, there's something about the dad and the discipline, you know, there is like

00:28:10.900 when my husband and all it takes is a, is my husband saying our children's first name

00:28:16.920 to them, you know, in that stern way that a man can, you know, it's not mean, but it's

00:28:23.620 just, it's a warning, you know, like you're crossing a line, they listen.

00:28:28.060 And I would say I am, I can be tough too, but I am definitely a softer place for them

00:28:32.400 to fall.

00:28:32.960 And I think that's something very natural and very important for children that they

00:28:36.480 have, you know, the mom who's like, I don't know if he should take the training wheels

00:28:40.900 off the bike yet.

00:28:42.340 I'm not sure.

00:28:43.280 I don't want him to get hurt.

00:28:44.420 And the dad saying, honey, go away for an hour, come back.

00:28:49.120 I got this.

00:28:50.020 There, there is a dynamic that works between men and women generally. 0.56

00:28:54.680 It doesn't mean he has no soft side and she has no tough side.

00:28:58.060 It's just, we've, we've sort of ignored these natural differences between men and women and

00:29:03.120 moms and dads to our, you know, great consequence, a great consequence in the family dynamic.

00:29:09.240 All right, wait, I want to get to Trump because I'm dying to know what you thought about that

00:29:13.040 appearance before the, the national association of black journalists yesterday to me was so

00:29:18.500 funny. 0.96

00:29:18.860 You had all like white liberals being like, ah, he's hairy. 0.94

00:29:23.260 And then you had actual black people all over Twitter, watching it, posting videos of 0.92

00:29:29.060 themselves, watching it and tweeting about it being like, and, uh, so right.

00:29:33.800 Anyway, he goes into the lion's den and, uh, this reporter, Rachel Scott from ABC news decides

00:29:41.240 to open up the event with the nastiest questions she could dream up.

00:29:45.840 And I will just tell you as, as a journalist who has asked Trump very hard questions.

00:29:50.680 Um, I thought this was, was grossly inappropriate.

00:29:54.360 It's not a presidential debate.

00:29:56.040 That is not how you begin an interview.

00:29:58.180 He does not, unlike a presidential debate have to be there.

00:30:01.820 You know, there's an understanding in presidential debates in the primary contest that you will

00:30:05.360 be there at least back then when it was unclear, he was going to win it anyway.

00:30:08.100 This is an interview.

00:30:10.200 It doesn't have to be there.

00:30:11.040 Kamala Harris wasn't there.

00:30:12.160 He's doing you a courtesy showing up.

00:30:14.540 So you can ask him tough questions, but there should be a crescendo and a decrescendo.

00:30:17.820 And by the way, the fact, the question should be fact-based.

00:30:20.860 And she put a lot of non-facts in her question as though they were true.

00:30:25.560 So I did have a problem with what she did, though.

00:30:28.440 I like tough questions as a general principle.

00:30:30.440 Here's how it went.

00:30:32.180 Sot one. 0.58

00:30:32.540 A lot of people did not think it was appropriate for you to be here today.

00:30:38.340 You have pushed false claims about some of your rivals, from Nikki Haley to former President

00:30:43.420 Barack Obama, saying that they were not born in the United States, which is not true.

00:30:48.020 You have told four congresswomen women of color who were American citizens to go back to where

00:30:52.480 they came from. 0.71

00:30:53.740 You have used words like animal and rabbit to describe black district attorneys. 0.99

00:30:58.320 You've attacked black journalists, calling them a loser, saying the questions that they 1.00

00:31:02.820 ask are, quote, stupid and racist. 1.00

00:31:05.600 You've had dinner with a white supremacist at your Mar-a-Lago resort. 1.00

00:31:08.900 So my question, sir, now that you are asking black supporters to vote for you, why should 0.99

00:31:15.180 black voters trust you after you have used language like that? 0.99

00:31:19.920 Well, first of all, I don't think I've ever been asked a question so, in such a horrible

00:31:26.120 manner, a first question.

00:31:27.620 You don't even say, hello, how are you?

00:31:31.540 Are you with ABC?

00:31:32.740 Because I think they're a fake news network, a terrible network.

00:31:36.940 And I think it's disgraceful that I came here in good spirit.

00:31:43.860 I love the black population of this country.

00:31:46.600 I've done so much for the black population of this country.

00:31:49.720 I think it's a very rude introduction.

00:31:52.200 I was told my opponent was going to be here.

00:31:54.800 It turned out my opponent isn't here.

00:31:56.760 You invited me under false pretense.

00:31:58.980 And then you were half an hour late.

00:32:00.580 Just so we understand, I have too much respect for you to be late.

00:32:03.740 They couldn't get their equipment working or something was wrong.

00:32:06.020 Mr. President, I would love that you can answer the question on your rhetoric.

00:32:09.400 I have answered the question.

00:32:10.840 I have been the best president for the black population since Abraham Lincoln.

00:32:18.220 That's my answer.

00:32:19.240 OK, just as quick fact check.

00:32:24.500 She said that he suggested that he had told four congresswomen of color who were American

00:32:33.900 citizens to go back to where they came from. 0.80

00:32:36.080 Actually, what happened to there were tweets referencing progressive Democrat congresswomen.

00:32:43.820 There was an assumption that it was aimed at Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cartez and

00:32:50.140 Ayanna Pressley of the squad.

00:32:52.040 One of those women actually is foreign born. 1.00

00:32:55.600 She's Ilhan Omar from Somalia.

00:32:57.880 And what he said in the tweet was, it's interesting that these women who originally came from countries 0.98

00:33:04.580 whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept

00:33:08.960 anywhere in the world, and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest 0.83

00:33:13.220 and most powerful nation on Earth, how our government is to be run.

00:33:16.540 Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they

00:33:22.060 came?

00:33:22.740 And then you've got Rashida Tlaib, who's a Palestinian American.

00:33:25.680 She was born in Detroit, but her mom's from the West Bank.

00:33:27.880 So this is what she said is that I would have tightened that much more if I was going to

00:33:33.400 go there with him.

00:33:33.920 You have to be precise.

00:33:35.240 You cannot take risks like that because it's unfair.

00:33:39.340 I know.

00:33:40.300 And then moreover, Charlie, she gets to the nonsense about you've you've called you've 1.00

00:33:47.140 attacked black journalists, calling them, quote, stupid and racist and a loser. 1.00

00:33:52.440 I wasn't aware as a journalist myself of the rule that you cannot attack black journalists. 1.00

00:33:58.240 I'm just now finding this out that they are too fragile, I guess, for us to call them names.

00:34:04.520 Is that is it?

00:34:05.500 Does the black skin make them just completely weak and unable to take criticism? 1.00

00:34:10.000 Because that's not true of the amazing black journalists I know and that I've worked with. 1.00

00:34:14.980 I don't know who she's talking about.

00:34:16.900 Yeah, there's so much there.

00:34:18.340 So, I mean, from her opening remark, she says a lot of people don't basically want you here.

00:34:23.140 That's the summary of what she says.

00:34:25.020 I mean, excuse me.

00:34:25.940 I mean, that's a former president, hopefully soon to be next president,

00:34:29.340 who's going to address your press corps.

00:34:31.700 And she starts with, you know, a lot of people don't think it's right that you are here.

00:34:35.880 Isn't that the whole point of being a journalist?

00:34:37.560 That's a big get, by the way.

00:34:39.620 I mean, you know how many journalists would love to sit down with a Republican nominee?

00:34:44.060 And she starts with a lot of people really don't want you here.

00:34:47.760 It was an embarrassment to the National Association of Black Journalists.

00:34:51.200 It shows that they are not actually about pursuing truth or the well-being of the black community. 0.96

00:34:56.120 It shows that they are about advancing Democrat policies.

00:34:59.920 I thought Harris Faulkner was great.

00:35:01.520 I'm glad she was on there.

00:35:02.360 They put her as far away on the panel as humanly possible. 0.99

00:35:05.300 But I just couldn't stop laughing at President Trump's response.

00:35:08.380 Because as I was watching this live, Megan, I was like, wow, this is such a nasty question.

00:35:12.920 And he says, and, you know, all she had to do was, hello, sir, I understand you got shot two weeks ago.

00:35:19.760 Yeah.

00:35:20.080 How are you doing?

00:35:21.420 I mean, that just looks stark there, right?

00:35:22.560 I understand how to conduct an interview.

00:35:23.820 Instead, it's, she is a very, very unprofessional, very unimpressive person.

00:35:31.380 And just for her whole tone was so smug, so self-righteous.

00:35:36.340 And we know what happened, Megan.

00:35:37.720 Here's what happened. 0.99

00:35:38.940 Is that she probably went out to dinner or drinks with other black journalists who hate Trump. 0.94

00:35:43.420 And they got her all wound up and worked up that she's going to own Donald Trump tomorrow. 1.00

00:35:47.340 And that she's going to come out with a zinger that's going to be really viral.

00:35:50.860 Well, actually, joke is on her.

00:35:52.460 It was so nasty.

00:35:53.680 It was so intense.

00:35:54.680 It was so outrageous that Donald Trump just threw it right back there.

00:35:58.980 But I want to say this.

00:36:00.040 It was a risk for President Trump to go there.

00:36:02.340 I thought he did wonderfully.

00:36:03.460 I'm sure we're going to talk all about, you know, Miss Harris's alleged Indian or black heritage.

00:36:08.160 I'm sure we'll get into that.

00:36:09.480 But President Trump going into that environment would have been the equivalent of Kamala Harris sitting down for questions from Charlie Kirk, 0.94

00:36:19.100 Megyn Kelly, and Tucker Carlson at the National Rifle Association or Independent Women's Forum.

00:36:27.040 I mean, that is how, quote unquote, hostile it would have been.

00:36:29.520 And you would have treated Kamala Harris way more fairly than she did.

00:36:32.380 The point is that President Trump did that because he has a heart for the black community,

00:36:36.340 because he is so tired of being criticized by the media for being racist.

00:36:40.620 I thought he handled everything really, really well.

00:36:42.340 And him going into that environment was a forceful message that this campaign is going to play to win.

00:36:51.080 We are not playing prevent defense.

00:36:53.000 We are not just going to hope this thing comes to us.

00:36:55.520 That's a lot of risk to go there.

00:36:57.240 A lot of risk.

00:36:58.480 You don't know what's going to happen.

00:36:59.640 It's an open-ended forum.

00:37:01.160 I think President Trump is at his best when he is the alpha male of the election.

00:37:06.440 He goes into environments where you're not sure how they're going to work out.

00:37:10.500 There's a lot of unpredictability.

00:37:12.340 You know, some upside, some downside.

00:37:14.380 I thought the entire idea of him going into this type of a forum was a major win.

00:37:20.540 The other thing is, as an interviewer, you have to understand when the person's basically doing you a favor

00:37:27.000 by coming on your show or coming to your event.

00:37:30.280 Again, it was a favor not done to this group by Kamala Harris or Joe Biden.

00:37:35.480 So they're doing you a favor.

00:37:37.360 They don't have to be there.

00:37:38.460 He could be out campaigning.

00:37:39.720 He doesn't have to sit with this group.

00:37:40.860 There are not that many black journalists who are going to vote for Trump.

00:37:43.660 So he's doing you a solid.

00:37:45.200 He's getting you eyeballs and attention that you definitely would not have otherwise gotten.

00:37:48.620 So you have to give him a couple.

00:37:50.840 He's got to get a couple.

00:37:52.360 That's just the way it works in journalism.

00:37:54.460 Matt Lauer, he used to say, and he was a great interviewer, whatever his other issues were.

00:37:59.220 He used to say, two for them, one for me.

00:38:02.040 Two for them, one for me.

00:38:03.020 And I think that's probably the right balance when they're in your studio doing you a solid

00:38:07.020 by coming on.

00:38:08.320 Trump got none.

00:38:09.560 He got none.

00:38:10.080 He got punched in the face right at the beginning.

00:38:12.260 Right.

00:38:12.800 And it was, it was, again, it was nasty.

00:38:15.880 It was aggressive and it felt personal.

00:38:17.820 It didn't feel objective and like a genuine search.

00:38:21.680 She could have changed it with a tonal shift.

00:38:24.120 She could have given him a couple.

00:38:25.360 She could have built up there and she could have said, Mr. Trump, as you know, there was a

00:38:28.340 controversy over your appearance here today.

00:38:30.860 Let me ask you the question that, you know, that's based on that, that led to that controversy

00:38:35.120 about some of the facts that led to that controversy.

00:38:37.460 This is why some people objected.

00:38:39.100 They say the following.

00:38:40.560 He would have been fine with that.

00:38:42.000 He would have handled it and answered it substantively, but that's not, she set herself up for failure.

00:38:47.740 What she wanted was clicks on the internet and applause from her fellow liberal journalists.

00:38:53.680 What she clearly didn't want, Charlie, was to actually get Trump to agree to this ABC

00:38:58.100 debate because I think there's just zero chance he's going to go on ABC now.

00:39:01.880 Why would he do that?

00:39:02.980 Yeah, no, that's right.

00:39:03.780 And I, and on the debate format, I think president Trump should debate, but I think he needs to

00:39:08.180 do it as a town hall format.

00:39:09.740 I think that's me, his own only demand.

00:39:11.260 I'm not just going to go one-on-one on Kamala Harris.

00:39:13.120 I want to take questions straight from voters.

00:39:15.400 That's where president Trump is at his best.

00:39:17.100 I think Kamala versus Trump one-on-one like the CNN debate with Joe Biden does not favor the

00:39:21.740 country or the can't or the, the race or president Trump because it will be prosecuted

00:39:25.740 versus felon instead kind of ignore Kamala Harris and put her in an environment where 0.99

00:39:30.840 she is not at her best, which is talking to real people.

00:39:34.080 That is unpredictability.

00:39:35.640 That is a lot of risk.

00:39:37.200 You cannot, you cannot rehearse that.

00:39:39.760 You cannot script that.

00:39:41.500 Back in 2016, we had the Access Hollywood tape and the Billy Bush tape.

00:39:45.040 A couple of days later, later, president Trump saved his campaign at that amazing debate

00:39:49.360 when Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton did the town hall debate.

00:39:52.020 And Hillary Clinton came across as cold and cruel and mean and insincere. 1.00

00:39:56.180 And president Trump came across as confident and funny and charming.

00:40:01.560 And he said the, you know, you'll be in jail.

00:40:03.520 And he did the whole late term abortion thing with Hillary Clinton. 0.98

00:40:06.220 So I hope president Trump does end up debating.

00:40:09.020 I really think it's important, but it needs to be done in a town hall format.

00:40:12.720 You bypass the bias of moderators.

00:40:15.780 You're, you're able to put Kamala Harris kind of on ice and on defense.

00:40:19.020 And then it's less about candidates talking at each other.

00:40:21.940 And it's more about president Trump talking to the American people, where I think he thrives

00:40:26.440 when he's in those environments, people see a different side of him that they would not

00:40:29.920 otherwise see and would also deescalate the tit for tat, you know, kind of the, what we

00:40:35.320 saw in the last debate about the golf game, which I think turned a lot of people off.

00:40:38.300 It would kind of be like, okay, here's, she's off to the side.

00:40:40.660 And just from a contrast of body language, Kamala Harris comes across as a very insecure, 0.99

00:40:49.080 radical individual, president Trump, it comes across as a stable, confident man who wants

00:40:57.520 to save this country.

00:40:58.620 I think it would be a phenomenal step to just go back to what you're best at talking directly

00:41:03.660 to voters.

00:41:04.480 That is my both private and public advice to the Trump campaign.

00:41:08.280 He's I'm sure he's going to debate.

00:41:09.740 I just don't, I don't see him not wanting to do that.

00:41:12.340 I understand entirely why he wanted to renegotiate the original agreement, which was with an entirely

00:41:17.540 different candidate.

00:41:19.020 I just want to say a word on the, you know, she's positing to him that you called black 1.00

00:41:24.640 journalists, stupid and a loser. 1.00

00:41:27.780 Now, as a, as a member of the media and as somebody who's been across from Donald Trump 1.00

00:41:33.280 when he's unhappy, I can attest to this personally.

00:41:35.700 He calls journalists, a lot of things, even if we don't happen to be black, it is not

00:41:42.660 a black thing. 0.57

00:41:43.500 And it was a dishonest way to posit the question.

00:41:47.000 We pulled just a sampling in the past 10 minutes before we went to air.

00:41:51.180 Had I had a longer time, I would have written a longer brief here.

00:41:54.800 Watch it.

00:41:55.180 I think Jim Ocasio is a very unprofessional man.

00:42:00.040 Look, I don't think he's a smart person, but he's got a loud voice.

00:42:04.040 What do you say to Americans who are watching you right now who are scared?

00:42:07.600 I say that you're a terrible reporter.

00:42:09.520 That's what I say. 0.76

00:42:10.620 Go ahead.

00:42:11.780 I think it's a very nasty question.

00:42:14.020 And I think it's a very bad signal that you're putting out to the American people.

00:42:17.300 But how come, and this was in front of probably not a friend of yours, Chris Wallace.

00:42:21.860 He was the moderator.

00:42:22.880 Not a friend.

00:42:23.620 I said, why did, why is he, he wants to be Mike, but he doesn't have the talent.

00:42:27.260 He wanted to be his father, but he didn't have the talent of his face.

00:42:30.080 His father was great as my wife.

00:42:30.900 Miles away.

00:42:31.600 That's not an invasion.

00:42:32.800 Honestly, I think you should let me run the country.

00:42:35.440 You run CNN.

00:42:36.600 All right.

00:42:36.780 And if you did it well, your ratings would be much better. 1.00

00:42:39.680 You are a rude, terrible person. 0.99

00:42:42.080 You shouldn't be working for CNN. 1.00

00:42:44.280 When you report fake news, which CNN does a lot, you are the enemy of the people.

00:42:49.280 Go ahead.

00:42:49.640 Mr. President. 0.96

00:42:50.500 So, he seems to be an equal opportunity hater, even if you don't happen to be black, Charlie. 0.74

00:42:55.960 Well, and by the way, that was just, I mean, your team did a great job putting that together.

00:42:59.000 But just off the top of my head, those are some of the nicer things he said about journalists.

00:43:02.860 It's just, he's been very intense of anybody, any background, but this is what is so damaging.

00:43:08.520 And for example, also on the district attorney thing, President Trump is not attacking them

00:43:13.300 because of their race.

00:43:14.420 He's attacking them because of other things that they are doing.

00:43:17.260 And this is what is so sloppy and so destructive.

00:43:19.940 And the National Association of Black Journalists, they should know better that it's okay to criticize 1.00

00:43:24.980 someone who is black if they are doing a bad job.

00:43:29.080 That does not give them a veil of, you know, that they are not able to be criticized. 0.61

00:43:36.440 That they are not, that they are untouchable.

00:43:39.240 They act as, yeah, precisely.

00:43:41.280 And so, for example, Alvin Bragg or Kim Foxx, the DA of Chicago, are you allowed to criticize them?

00:43:49.000 Of course you are.

00:43:49.840 Marilyn Mosby, who just got found guilty of two felonies.

00:43:52.360 Should we have not criticized her? 0.98

00:43:53.760 She's a criminal. 1.00

00:43:54.360 The answer is no, they say no, no, no, that white people are not allowed to criticize even 1.00

00:43:59.940 the most incompetent, evil, destructive behavior from anybody that is black. 1.00

00:44:05.460 The country doesn't agree with that, by the way. 0.99

00:44:07.900 You criticize people based on what they're doing.

00:44:10.320 You base them on their character.

00:44:12.580 But she is peddling this at the National Association of Black Journalists because she

00:44:17.980 is really pushing forward tribal warfare that an entire class of people are untouchable.

00:44:24.660 That an entire class of people are, you can't criticize them.

00:44:28.080 You can't question them.

00:44:29.160 And you see where this is going, don't you, Megan?

00:44:31.420 She is creating the preconditions that you are not allowed to criticize Kamala Harris.

00:44:36.140 That's where this is going. 0.88

00:44:37.720 She is trying to say, oh, you're not allowed to criticize the local DA because they're black. 0.98

00:44:41.960 You're not allowed to criticize black journalists. 0.96

00:44:44.000 And once they condition the American population to be, you know, obedient little soldiers on

00:44:49.820 that narrative, well, then you're not allowed to criticize Kamala Harris for the border,

00:44:54.020 for the Munich Security Conference, for the lying, for her staff turnover, because you're 0.98

00:44:58.300 a racist. 0.66

00:44:59.720 Because we established that when it came to this, that the untouchable people in society 1.00

00:45:03.820 have a certain melanin content in their skin.

00:45:07.000 I find that to be such racial regression in this country.

00:45:10.680 And I don't think black people even agree with that. 1.00

00:45:13.880 Now, I hate how infantilizing it is toward black Americans. 0.96

00:45:18.000 They do not need us playing mommy and daddy when it comes to words that are used about 0.90

00:45:24.400 or to them.

00:45:25.280 That is an insult.

00:45:27.180 I would be embarrassed to be sitting next to Glenn Lowry if he heard me say such a thing.

00:45:33.160 Like, I will, I will make sure that your feelings aren't hurt, Glenn.

00:45:37.240 Oh, my God.

00:45:38.320 He would pummel me in any intellectual debate.

00:45:40.800 It would be a humiliation for me. 0.99

00:45:42.940 And for us, they're asking us to pretend that all black Americans are these little eggshells 0.98

00:45:49.900 that we just have to pussyfoot around lest they're lest they break. 0.97

00:45:53.060 It's just insulting.

00:45:55.220 And they don't realize how insulting it is, how and nine times out of 10, it's a white, 0.97

00:45:59.240 woke liberal saying this.

00:46:00.520 Here it was a black, woke liberal saying it doesn't make it any better. 0.98

00:46:04.120 Um, let me take a quick break.

00:46:06.440 And when we come back, we got to get into Trump's comments about whether Kamala Harris

00:46:10.520 is black or Indian.

00:46:12.460 Of course, all the morning shows today.

00:46:15.640 Yeah, they were upset.

00:46:17.120 More with Charlie straight ahead.

00:46:22.340 OK, so part two that that's sending the left into quite a tizzy was the following exchange

00:46:30.060 between Trump and ABC's Ms. Scott. 0.92

00:46:33.520 Some of your own supporters, including Republicans on Capitol Hill, have labeled Vice President

00:46:38.860 Kamala Harris, who is the first black and Asian American woman to serve as vice president

00:46:43.160 and be on a major party ticket as a DEI hire.

00:46:46.700 Is that acceptable language to you?

00:46:49.060 And will you tell those Republicans and those supporters to stop it?

00:46:52.800 How do you how do you define DEI?

00:46:55.120 Go ahead.

00:46:55.980 How do you define diversity, equity, inclusion?

00:46:58.080 OK, yeah, go ahead.

00:46:59.160 Is that what your definition?

00:47:00.200 That is that is that is give me a definition, then.

00:47:02.780 Would you give me a definition?

00:47:04.380 Give me a definition.

00:47:05.580 So I'm asking you a question.

00:47:06.840 You have to define it.

00:47:07.880 Define the define it for me.

00:47:09.660 If I just defined it, sir.

00:47:10.720 Do you believe that Vice President Kamala Harris is only on the ticket because she is

00:47:14.380 a black woman? 1.00

00:47:15.120 Well, I can say no.

00:47:16.000 I think it's maybe a little bit different.

00:47:18.020 So I've known her a long time indirectly, not directly very much.

00:47:23.720 And she was always of Indian heritage and she was only promoting Indian heritage. 0.89

00:47:30.220 I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black.

00:47:34.920 And now she wants to be known as black. 1.00

00:47:36.780 So I don't know.

00:47:37.700 Is she Indian or is she black? 0.99

00:47:39.260 She is always identified as a black.

00:47:40.820 I respect either one.

00:47:42.180 I respect either one, but she obviously doesn't because she was Indian all the way. 0.99

00:47:47.480 And then all of a sudden she made a turn and she went she became a black person.

00:47:52.020 Just to be clear, sir, do you believe that somebody should look into that, too, when 0.97

00:47:55.580 you ask a continue in a very hostile, nasty town?

00:47:59.160 It's a direct question, sir.

00:48:00.340 Do you believe that Vice President Kamala Harris is a DEI hire?

00:48:03.940 I really don't know.

00:48:05.300 I mean, I really don't know.

00:48:06.240 Could be.

00:48:06.740 Could be.

00:48:07.220 There are some and there are plenty.

00:48:09.220 So, Charlie, yeah, what's your reaction to that?

00:48:13.700 This woman is something having a meltdown. 1.00

00:48:15.800 Well, no, first of all, I mean, well, first of all, of course, she's a DEI hire and we

00:48:20.740 don't have to speculate.

00:48:22.140 Joe Biden said he's only choosing her because it's a black female.

00:48:26.520 He made that as a campaign promise in the Democrat primary.

00:48:30.500 So this is not hard.

00:48:32.140 And and so they're so angry that Joe Biden said, for example, Katanji Brown Jackson,

00:48:37.960 she's a DEI hire.

00:48:39.480 Kamala Harris is a DEI hire.

00:48:41.460 And people say, oh, you're not allowed to say that.

00:48:43.160 Joe Biden said it.

00:48:44.780 Now, let's just go second to that is that Kamala Harris is not exactly brilliant. 1.00

00:48:49.820 OK, she's not exactly that.

00:48:52.000 She's not exactly somebody you would consider to be over the top in the intelligence department. 0.95

00:48:57.060 However, that's besides the point.

00:48:59.740 The point is that she was chosen primarily for this reason.

00:49:05.240 And Joe Biden told you that.

00:49:06.380 And so Joe Biden did not do a colorblind meritocracy of who is the best possible person.

00:49:12.380 No, he said, I'm only going to pick from a small subset of black females. 1.00

00:49:17.200 I remember the finalists, Megan.

00:49:18.460 It was like Karen Bass, Kamala Harris.

00:49:21.740 And it was like three or four people.

00:49:23.360 And they were all black women. 1.00

00:49:25.240 And so, yes, that's what happens when you get diversity, equity, inclusion.

00:49:28.220 So anyway, second to this, which I think is very important, which Donald Trump decided to go on a very, let's just say, dangerous, however, very high reward attack vector against Kamala Harris if he is able to pull it off.

00:49:43.100 And as a side note, do you notice the audience was kind of laughing?

00:49:46.060 They were liking it.

00:49:46.860 They were.

00:49:47.260 I mean, part of the audience really kind of loved what Trump was doing.

00:49:50.160 They were just they just weren't given permission.

00:49:52.700 You know, oh, no, stop.

00:49:53.820 Stop laughing.

00:49:54.680 Stop.

00:49:55.000 Because they know it's true.

00:49:56.180 Right.

00:49:56.380 They know that Kamala Harris is not from traditional black America.

00:50:01.860 But what Donald Trump decided to do, again, it's going to be difficult to pull off, but I think he can do it, is that a narrative that people already have about Kamala Harris is that she is fake, is that she is inauthentic, is that she's artificial, is that she's synthetic from her policy positions, from her entire career.

00:50:19.440 She is not who she says she is.

00:50:22.040 And I think it is a very effective attack vector.

00:50:24.180 Now, it's dangerous because you're involving race and what is something that that's is very difficult terrain to navigate. 0.97

00:50:30.300 If anyone can do it, President Trump can for no other reason than just through brute force.

00:50:34.660 He has the ability to kind of just power through it.

00:50:36.980 But, yes, we've had Kamala Harris on the record before say that she's Indian, post Indian family heritage pictures, do, you know, cooking shows with other female Indian actresses.

00:50:45.960 All that is correct.

00:50:46.720 And that's true.

00:50:47.300 But we saw this exhibited recently when she did her rally in Atlanta, Georgia, when she starts talking, she starts what is called code switching.

00:50:56.560 The Democrats do it all the time.

00:50:57.980 Or AOC, when she speaks at Netroots Nation, Al Sharpton saying she starts talking in kind of black parlance.

00:51:03.760 Like, and all of y'all out here, you know, it's what a second.

00:51:07.300 And Kamala Harris goes down to Atlanta. 1.00

00:51:08.960 She all of a sudden gets a black southern accent.

00:51:10.500 And so this is a this is a very important fact of the Democrat Party that they pander.

00:51:17.360 And that's the final point I'll say with this is that you can criticize President Trump for that appearance.

00:51:21.920 What he said at that National Association of Black Journalists is the same thing he'll say at the NRA, at Turning Point USA or at the RNC.

00:51:29.580 There was not a sliver of pandering on immigration, on inflation, on any issue where Democrats, they try to be all things to all people, constantly changing their colors to try to get more votes just for political power.

00:51:43.240 Here is Kamala in Atlanta doing that, trying out her code switching. 0.86

00:51:49.220 And you all helped us win in 2020.

00:51:52.440 And we're going to do it again in 2024.

00:51:55.680 Yes, we will.

00:51:58.160 Yes, we will.

00:51:59.300 She doesn't talk like that.

00:52:01.960 I mean, she she grew up in Canada and California.

00:52:04.320 I mean, it just.

00:52:06.560 It makes me it makes me love Trump more because when Trump goes to Georgia, he wears his Manhattan suit with a bright red tie and talks exactly the same.

00:52:14.380 I mean, there is no there's no pandering right there.

00:52:18.240 There is no there.

00:52:19.260 There is no change.

00:52:20.720 It and it and Kamala, the Democrats do this all the time. 0.98

00:52:24.980 And I think that it just it just oozes in sincerity.

00:52:29.140 And we have again, we have the Harris is a fake candidate.

00:52:33.140 Oh, you have to it's too good where she just says, and oh, y'all, she just starts talking in a way she never talks previously.

00:52:41.320 But the Democrats have done this for quite some time.

00:52:43.580 And they I hope their voters start to realize how little their leaders actually think of them and how small the Democrat elite consider them and how insignificant the Democrats actually consider them.

00:52:56.600 But, yes, President Trump doing this, it was perfectly fine.

00:52:59.500 It's risky.

00:53:00.600 The payoff is potentially enormous, which is creating a narrative that Kamala Harris is not who she says she is.

00:53:07.780 She is a fabrication.

00:53:09.460 She is a synthetic hologram of the Democrat regime.

00:53:15.340 And she's not popular.

00:53:17.060 She is.

00:53:17.380 She's in favor of banning fracking until she's not in favor of banning fracking. 0.99

00:53:22.580 She's in favor of citizenship for illegals and not enforcing the border until she is in favor of enforcing the border. 1.00

00:53:29.660 She's in favor of taking away private health insurance and making us all go on Medicare until she isn't. 1.00

00:53:35.020 I mean, that's one of the problems.

00:53:36.100 She hasn't done any interviews since she announced she hasn't done a single press conference.

00:53:40.840 All she's done is go appear like a one rally and then in front of two sororities. 1.00

00:53:45.000 I mean, what is that about?

00:53:46.460 But here is to the code switching Hillary and AOC.

00:53:50.580 I don't feel no way he's tired.

00:53:54.780 I come too far from where I started from.

00:54:00.840 Nobody told me that the road would be easy.

00:54:04.760 I don't believe he brought me this far to leave me.

00:54:10.160 Is what organizing looks like.

00:54:12.680 This is what building power looks like.

00:54:16.200 This is what changing the country looks like.

00:54:19.240 Yes, I'm so uncomfortable, Charlie.

00:54:26.700 No, it's just I mean, again, you look at that like, wow, that's why we beat Hillary Clinton in 2016.

00:54:30.680 And the same thing I think is going to happen to Kamala Harris, because with Hillary Clinton, people thought that she was honestly, some people thought she was evil, that she was insincere, but fake.

00:54:39.440 There's almost nothing worse with the Gen Z. 1.00

00:54:42.080 How many times, Megan, do you hear in all these focus groups, you know, Gen Z really wants authenticity.

00:54:47.660 They want someone to be really who they are.

00:54:49.600 Okay, you want that?

00:54:50.780 Say what you want about Trump.

00:54:52.060 The dude is authentic.

00:54:53.380 There is not any pandering.

00:54:55.020 There is no fakery there.

00:54:56.640 I mean, the guy got shot.

00:54:58.080 You saw who he was right then and there.

00:55:00.000 And with with Kamala Harris, she just she looks to her handlers and says, so what accent am I doing today?

00:55:07.340 And that's why I love that.

00:55:08.340 What group do I need to hand it to?

00:55:10.100 What is she going to do?

00:55:12.040 Exactly what?

00:55:13.020 And I think it is so out of favor of where the country is.

00:55:17.300 And again, Kamala Harris is going to get a temporary polling boost, a sugar high, anticipate a rather annoying August. 1.00

00:55:23.000 It's going to happen.

00:55:24.380 Just keep on doing the tough work.

00:55:26.340 Keep on going out there.

00:55:27.240 The race will come back into, I think, a place of normalcy in September. 1.00

00:55:32.200 But all those things being said is that Kamala Harris, if I describe it, she is fake. 0.95

00:55:36.860 She is mean. 0.94

00:55:37.540 She is radical. 0.64

00:55:38.720 She is. 1.00

00:55:39.160 She's a very nasty person. 1.00

00:55:40.920 Don't don't take it from me. 0.97

00:55:42.280 Ninety two percent of her staff has turned over and they say the worst things about her in the media. 1.00

00:55:46.420 She is insincere and she is not who she says she is. 0.56

00:55:49.540 And she she is the most radical vice president in history. 0.94

00:55:53.120 Was the most liberal senator in the U.S. Senate.

00:55:56.440 And she would deliver a death blow to this country if she is given a full presidential term. 1.00

00:56:01.160 So to the point of Trump's authenticity, here he is on the campaign trail last night.

00:56:05.740 He was in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, yesterday.

00:56:07.920 Look at this.

00:56:08.600 Sot 19.

00:56:10.400 Because everything about Kamala Harris rollout, it's phony and it's fake.

00:56:14.220 Did you see when President Obama and Michelle called?

00:56:19.920 Did you see?

00:56:20.660 Hello?

00:56:21.580 Hello?

00:56:22.440 Yes.

00:56:23.580 Yes.

00:56:24.380 Who is this?

00:56:25.700 Oh, this is Michelle and Barack.

00:56:28.460 Oh, oh.

00:56:30.100 So surprised to hear.

00:56:31.500 They got four cameras in front.

00:56:33.140 Oh, I'm so surprised.

00:56:35.600 It's on speakerphone.

00:56:39.060 Listen, we just want to congratulate you on destroying Joe Biden.

00:56:44.640 I mean, I'm in on the winning the.

00:56:46.680 Hey, is Joe Biden going to.

00:56:48.240 Was that the phoniest phone call you've ever seen?

00:56:52.680 He's very good at seeing the scene.

00:56:54.580 By the way, I love this.

00:56:56.060 It's so good.

00:56:57.840 Very good.

00:56:58.480 And yes, she doesn't even know how to answer a speakerphone. 1.00

00:57:01.640 She's holding it up here.

00:57:02.920 She says, oh, thank you, Barack.

00:57:04.620 What was that?

00:57:05.080 Like their fifth or sixth take of trying to do that.

00:57:07.220 And that's who she is.

00:57:08.500 She's never been likable.

00:57:09.960 She's never been someone that people appeal to.

00:57:13.060 All of her quote unquote enthusiasm is, you know, largely is largely built on house cards.

00:57:20.260 There you go.

00:57:20.680 Look, she's holding it up there.

00:57:21.880 Yeah.

00:57:21.960 The Obama's called Kamala.

00:57:23.180 Look, who answers a speakerphone like that, Megan?

00:57:27.080 That's no one.

00:57:28.380 That's really so phony and so fake.

00:57:31.560 So back to the media meltdown.

00:57:33.380 I want to show you a little bit of what we heard.

00:57:35.300 I'm going to play a montage of the reaction, and then I'm going to play you what I heard

00:57:38.100 on Morning Joe this morning.

00:57:39.560 Watch this.

00:57:39.960 We'll start with Saten.

00:57:42.120 Again, every time Rachel Scott asked a question, his response was to attack her first.

00:57:46.700 We're hoping that maybe he would have a little bit more of a robust conversation.

00:57:50.580 We saw that misogyny come through over and over and over again.

00:57:53.620 I'm so sorry that they felt the need to basically be used so that he could appeal to his MAGA base,

00:57:59.520 because that's exactly who he's appealing to.

00:58:01.520 The white men out there who are racist, who support him.

00:58:04.260 He's going back to his old playbook of racism that really propelled his campaign back in 2016. 0.97

00:58:11.560 He doesn't have anything to offer except for more racism.

00:58:15.540 He spent all of his time trying to convince each of us to be afraid of other people who are.

00:58:24.020 He used them as a backboard to score with the MAGA crowd to say,

00:58:28.860 I'm one of y'all.

00:58:29.900 I will go to their own conference and do everything but call them the N-word. 0.65

00:58:35.620 Oh, okay.

00:58:36.520 He was just short of calling them the N-word.

00:58:38.320 And then doubling down, here's Mara Gay. 1.00

00:58:41.680 I know.

00:58:42.220 Stand by.

00:58:42.680 On MSNBC this morning, she's a member of the New York Times editorial board.

00:58:46.440 Listen to this.

00:58:47.620 To black Americans, this kind of attack feels actually quite familiar because what it really

00:58:54.460 was, was an attempt by the former president of the United States to, when talking about 0.73

00:59:00.380 the vice president, but also to a room filled with black journalists, black people to say, 0.98

00:59:05.680 you're nothing. 0.99

00:59:06.560 You're whatever I think you are.

00:59:08.960 You are whatever I say you are.

00:59:10.720 You don't get to self-define.

00:59:12.440 You don't get to be American. 0.99

00:59:14.040 I say what you are because I am a white man. 0.80

00:59:16.920 That is old thinking.

00:59:18.640 It's an old playbook.

00:59:20.380 It's all Donald Trump has.

00:59:22.460 So Trump saying that she used to favor more her Indian heritage into interviews and outwardly 0.86

00:59:27.820 facing is telling black people that they're nothing.

00:59:31.720 Yeah, it's just, it's, I think this is so sloppy.

00:59:33.800 I hope it doesn't work.

00:59:34.880 I don't know anymore.

00:59:36.000 It's just, I guess we'll see. 0.76

00:59:37.780 It is so destructive to the advancement and the flourishing and the prosperity of black 1.00

00:59:42.580 America, which I have a heart for and you have a heart for.

00:59:45.180 This does not, this is not going to fix the single motherhood problem in the black community

00:59:50.060 or the urban violence problem or the gang violence problem or the black economic issues.

00:59:55.240 This constant idea that the person who came to your event to offer an agenda for the American

01:00:00.780 people is just immediately a racist. 0.98

01:00:02.940 He's terrible.

01:00:03.520 Has the Democrat party done a good job of improving the livelihood or the wellbeing of

01:00:11.220 black America?

01:00:12.000 No, black America is significantly poorer in a more dangerous position since the Democrat 0.98

01:00:18.600 party has executed a monopoly over the, over, over the black population in this country. 0.82

01:00:25.920 And so, yes, I mean, I just, I don't even know how to respond to some of this.

01:00:29.240 It's just, I think it's so vapid.

01:00:30.840 I think it's so shallow and it's incredibly destructive to discourse and it's not going

01:00:36.840 to make anybody's lives better.

01:00:38.780 I mean, to me, it's really interesting because our pal Sage Steele, who by the way, is out

01:00:43.740 on an episode that we dropped this morning, that dovetails beautifully into that trans discussion

01:00:48.040 we had at the beginning of the hour.

01:00:49.140 She and Jennifer Say and Michelle Tafoya, all legendary sports journalists and an athlete

01:00:55.760 in Jennifer's case, have come out with this scholarship for women who stand up for themselves

01:01:01.000 in sport.

01:01:01.780 You know, women like that Italian boxer who have to forego prize money in order to protect 1.00

01:01:06.140 themselves.

01:01:06.640 In any event, check that episode out.

01:01:09.040 But Sage originally ticked off ESPN when she worked there by criticizing Obama for calling 0.97

01:01:15.280 himself black and she was asked the correct question directly and she, she, she answered

01:01:20.520 it, but she just said, she's, she's mixed race. 1.00

01:01:22.240 Her dad's black or mom's white.

01:01:23.720 And she said, I, okay, if that's how he identifies, that's fine, fine.

01:01:28.300 But he was raised by his white mother.

01:01:31.400 That's who he was raised by.

01:01:32.580 And she said, I always feel like, you know, to say like I'm black would be an abandonment

01:01:37.940 in a way of my mom, you know, like I'm mixed race.

01:01:41.300 Forgive me because she's a lot more articulate about it than I am.

01:01:43.620 But this, this idea of like, if you're mixed race, do you front one half over the other?

01:01:50.740 Do you play one half up?

01:01:52.400 Do you have an affinity more for one half, at least when you're outwardly facing toward

01:01:56.780 the community is an interesting question.

01:01:58.980 Trump is not the first one to raise this and say like, you know what, there's kind of an

01:02:03.980 interesting thing going on here.

01:02:05.200 And he went back.

01:02:05.860 Clearly somebody brought to his attention that in a lot of articles about Kamala Harris when

01:02:09.520 she was younger and coming up, they said she was Indian.

01:02:12.000 That's what they said.

01:02:12.640 And she did go to a historically black college.

01:02:16.080 So did a lot of white people.

01:02:17.560 She was part of a black sorority. 1.00

01:02:19.560 I don't think it's that she never acknowledged she was black.

01:02:22.100 It's not like she wasn't, you know, she was trying to like pass as something else.

01:02:25.100 But he's not wrong that the Indian piece of her heritage was front and center in a lot

01:02:29.640 of the early press about Kamala.

01:02:31.940 But you're not allowed to raise things like that when you're Donald Trump.

01:02:34.980 You're not allowed to talk about like that.

01:02:36.440 And let's just say Trump doesn't do it as gingerly as some others might.

01:02:40.760 I'll give you a last word on it, Charlie.

01:02:42.200 Yeah, no, I agree.

01:02:43.340 It just kind of plays into this idea that Kamala Harris is an inauthentic person.

01:02:47.440 And look, this is going to be the number one news story for a couple of days.

01:02:49.800 So we're all going to learn everything that Kamala Harris has ever said about her ancestry

01:02:53.880 and her background.

01:02:54.680 So we're going to get a full ancestry tree, right?

01:02:58.080 Like we're going to get an entire 23andMe picture of the Kamala Harris gene pool. 0.98

01:03:02.880 So just get ready for that.

01:03:04.540 It's just going to be completely mapped out.

01:03:06.800 And so we're all going to become subject matter experts in this.

01:03:11.000 It's true.

01:03:12.280 We're going to find out what was it like, what sort of genetic issues have been passed down?

01:03:17.080 You know, does she have an aversion to sugar? 1.00

01:03:19.040 What is it?

01:03:19.520 We're going to find out.

01:03:21.980 Totally.

01:03:22.760 That's right.

01:03:23.360 Charlie, it's always a pleasure.

01:03:25.860 Great, great talking to you as always.

01:03:28.100 Thank you.

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01:04:27.260 Joining me now for more on the political whirlwind that we're experiencing, Steve Dace, best-selling

01:04:36.820 author and host of The Steve Dace Show, and Delano Squires, contributor to The Blaze and

01:04:41.620 research fellow for The Heritage Foundation.

01:04:44.160 Guys, welcome to the show.

01:04:45.180 There's so much to discuss.

01:04:47.260 We just finished up with Charlie Kirk, who we left off on Trump's appearance at the

01:04:52.920 NABJ conference yesterday.

01:04:55.260 I'll give you a little of Vivek Ramaswamy on the question of mixed race and how Kamala

01:05:01.680 Harris has played it thus far in her 59 years.

01:05:04.140 I think it's a hard fact, Martha.

01:05:05.660 It's just a fact, whether you like it or not, that many Indian Americans in the United

01:05:09.440 States are indeed somewhat offended by the way Kamala has suddenly cast aside the Indian

01:05:14.500 American side of her identity.

01:05:15.820 She leaned into it when she ran for office in California, big Asian American and Indian 0.67

01:05:20.320 American population.

01:05:21.540 So she wore that when it was convenient.

01:05:23.360 She's wearing a different identity now when it's politically convenient on a national stage. 0.98

01:05:27.080 Personally, I don't think we should be relying on these ethnic identities at all. 1.00

01:05:30.460 We're actually American.

01:05:31.760 And the problem is when you're Kamala Harris and you actually do lean into your identity

01:05:35.600 politics, then you open the door to that type of criticism.

01:05:39.120 I mean, you watch it and I'm like, oh, oh God, what's he saying?

01:05:43.480 And I know a lot of Republicans are like, do not go there.

01:05:47.420 There's got to be a reason Trump went there.

01:05:50.800 And Charlie thinks it's because he's trying to get the narrative going that she's a phony.

01:05:54.480 Delano, I'll start with you.

01:05:55.360 What do you make of it?

01:05:56.140 Well, I think part of the reason that he went there is because this is something that other

01:05:59.300 people have been discussing.

01:06:00.940 It's becoming louder now.

01:06:02.660 But I believe back in 2019, Don Lemon was on a panel or had April Ryan on a panel and

01:06:10.520 he was pushing back and he was saying, yes, she's black, but she's not African-American. 0.90

01:06:14.940 And I do think that there is, and I see it just based on some of the corners of the internet

01:06:19.900 that I tend to frequent, that there is a growing sentiment that there should be more delineation

01:06:25.100 between black Americans, the American descendants of slaves, and those from immigrant backgrounds.

01:06:31.600 And I think particularly because Kamala Harris is someone who, you know, her African ancestry

01:06:37.220 is on her dad's side.

01:06:38.780 And even that is, you know, you're talking about one of his grandparents is one of those

01:06:44.460 things where people are saying, look, we're not beholden to the one drop rule anymore.

01:06:49.900 And we're not, this is not the plantation primary where we just say, okay, anybody who

01:06:54.100 claims to be a particular identity gets to make that claim publicly and benefit from what

01:07:00.280 they see as a legacy of sort of race and struggle against racism and struggle for civil rights.

01:07:06.520 So I think these, President Trump probably picked up on this.

01:07:09.420 Someone probably let him know that this is something that's out there and he's responding

01:07:13.440 to it.

01:07:13.880 Do I think, is it where I would spend my time if I was running for president?

01:07:18.220 No, it is not.

01:07:19.400 I think the obsession with identity on both sides of the aisle is deeply unhealthy when it

01:07:24.760 comes to our political culture.

01:07:26.760 But this is where we are.

01:07:28.540 And he tends to fight like his gangs in New York.

01:07:31.140 And this is the way the left tends to fight him.

01:07:33.800 And so we're in this battle.

01:07:36.740 You know, Steve, part of this reminded me a little of Roger Ailes, because when you work

01:07:41.420 for Roger Ailes, if you got in trouble in the news, he would usually run in to take gunfire

01:07:46.980 for you.

01:07:47.420 Like, he would do something to call attention to himself or Fox News Channel.

01:07:51.800 He was great like that.

01:07:53.460 And part of me wondered whether Trump was just trying to put an end to the pile on on J.D.

01:07:57.320 Vance, because no one can change the conversation like Donald Trump, literally nobody.

01:08:02.320 So I don't know.

01:08:03.080 Maybe that's just my own background speaking.

01:08:04.820 But what did you make of the whole thing and how long a controversy is this, do you think?

01:08:09.300 So, Megan, all of my analysis comes through the filter of I just think, you know, non-communist

01:08:14.760 America desperately has to win this election.

01:08:16.720 And that's really all I care about.

01:08:17.960 And that's why I did what I did in the primary.

01:08:20.080 And that's why I'm giving the analysis I give now.

01:08:21.960 It's about the American name on the front of the jersey, not the player name on the, you

01:08:26.040 know, the last name on the back.

01:08:28.140 And right now, this is going to come down to can Republicans flop or switch, I should

01:08:32.920 say, the two to three points of independence they lost in 2022?

01:08:37.460 And can Donald Trump get a George W. Bush-like turnout of white women and married women? 1.00

01:08:43.080 Republicans have not lost married women since 1996.

01:08:45.740 Trump won them twice.

01:08:47.320 They've not lost white women this century. 1.00

01:08:49.460 The best Democrats have done was a tie in 2000.

01:08:52.400 If he just improves by a couple of points with those demographics, he will win this election, 0.57

01:08:56.860 regardless of whatever the media is currently saying with this charm offensive with Kamala. 0.92

01:09:02.700 And so if what we're discussing is parlayed into a message like what Charlie was discussing

01:09:07.500 before we came on, that this is feeding an overall narrative that she is a fraud, she is a 1.00

01:09:11.640 phony, she's not a serious presidential candidate. 1.00

01:09:14.200 I think then, therefore, it is a brilliant tactic.

01:09:16.560 If it is fed into a narrative similar to the stories that are making the rounds today on

01:09:20.900 the heels of Israel taking out high members of the Islamic command in the Middle East,

01:09:25.280 the Biden administration turns around and cuts a plea deal with 9-11 hijackers, that we've

01:09:30.060 got Jordanian illegal aliens found on military bases being released on their own recognizance.

01:09:35.400 And that this is dangerous, this is a threat to security, your security as a mom, as a

01:09:40.980 family, as an American, and you can't trust these people.

01:09:44.400 They're fake, they're phony, you can't trust them at all.

01:09:46.780 If it's parlayed into that message that hits issues that the voters that are going to decide

01:09:52.100 this thing care about, then I think it's brilliant.

01:09:54.460 If it ends up just being what Delano was just describing, where we're just going to sit

01:09:58.380 there and these are going to be replays of the coronavirus task force hearings, where

01:10:02.040 they're just going to sit there most days and lob bombs back and forth, then my fear

01:10:05.900 is we are going to play right into what's lost the last few elections.

01:10:08.960 And so I think to me, it matters about whether it plays into an overall strategy or not, or

01:10:14.160 whether it's a fight just for the purpose of having a fight.

01:10:17.560 First of all, nice Herb Brooks reference.

01:10:20.640 Appreciate it as a lover of that film and story miracle.

01:10:24.380 But second of all, I think my own take on it is it's only people who hate Trump who think

01:10:31.060 this is earth shattering.

01:10:32.280 How many controversial things has Donald Trump said where the left freaks out like,

01:10:36.860 oh, this is it.

01:10:38.540 Yay.

01:10:39.080 He finally is going to lose include whatever group and he doesn't lose them.

01:10:44.180 It's baked in that he says controversial things.

01:10:46.580 I do think he's strategic on it.

01:10:48.340 I definitely think there was a reason he said it the way he said it and brought it up.

01:10:52.940 And, you know, I think back just even to when he started to attack me after that one debate,

01:10:57.220 his numbers went up.

01:10:58.880 People liked seeing him challenge someone who gets in his face.

01:11:04.060 Even if it's a woman, even if it's a woman with authority, they enjoy seeing that.

01:11:08.540 They hate the media.

01:11:09.780 And I am a part of the media and I get that.

01:11:12.140 And she is a part of the media.

01:11:13.780 And I think that's really what this is going to boil down to, that he was unafraid of this

01:11:18.020 journalist.

01:11:18.700 He was unafraid of the black journalists in that room, which are sort of like the white 1.00

01:11:23.480 woman journalist from Fox, you like previously untouchable right by any other candidate. 1.00

01:11:28.460 But here he is going to the place that hurts Delano.

01:11:31.840 And while the chattering class may recoil in horror, I think regular people are like,

01:11:38.360 eh.

01:11:38.860 And I'll just give you one example.

01:11:41.000 You know, the Carter family is a group of athletes who got their season canceled.

01:11:45.700 I think thanks to COVID.

01:11:46.880 Anyway, it's a group of black men who now have a very popular show.

01:11:52.340 It's got over a million subscribers and they, their video reacting to the Trump speech yesterday

01:11:58.180 or a Q&A yesterday is going viral.

01:12:00.280 Here's a sampling of these guys watching that Q&A.

01:12:04.660 Watch this.

01:12:06.780 Imagine if somebody treated Kamala that rude. 1.00

01:12:09.800 That's the first thing I thought about.

01:12:11.140 I'm just lost.

01:12:11.680 All immunity.

01:12:12.300 I'm lost at why everyone thinks that's like a bad thing.

01:12:14.400 He's not giving them all immunity.

01:12:15.840 He said it's a case by case thing.

01:12:17.220 Case by case.

01:12:18.520 People were saying that's not a direct answer.

01:12:20.640 That's a direct answer.

01:12:21.480 While I was scrolling through the Twitter, it's all white journalists calling him racist, 0.92

01:12:25.540 saying that black people should be offended. 0.99

01:12:26.980 I'm tired of white people. 1.00

01:12:28.160 I'm tired of, no. 0.99

01:12:29.700 I'm tired of these white liberals telling me how to feel.

01:12:32.600 People keep using the, oh, she went to HBCU. 0.73

01:12:34.700 White people go to HBCUs. 0.99

01:12:36.060 Yeah.

01:12:36.600 Our coach.

01:12:37.520 Hispanics go to HBCUs. 1.00

01:12:38.580 So they're black now? 0.98

01:12:39.400 They're black because you went to an HBCU? 0.99

01:12:41.600 Are you white because you went to a PWI? 0.92

01:12:43.600 What do you make of that? 0.82

01:12:49.980 There's a few things that come to mind.

01:12:52.280 One, again, the point that he made at first in terms of imagine how someone would react if they treated a journalist,

01:13:00.620 particularly a white journalist, treated Kamala Harris that way, I think is a very salient point.

01:13:04.880 One of the things that I don't think over the last couple of weeks that, you know, we've sort of missed is someone tried to kill President Trump.

01:13:16.340 Oh, yeah.

01:13:17.080 And obviously it was a big story for a couple of days.

01:13:20.300 Oh, that old thing. 0.73

01:13:20.780 But the reaction that the left has when, right, when they feel that he says mean words is far out of proportion to the reaction that the media has had when someone actually tried to take his life.

01:13:33.900 And I think that that should be mentioned.

01:13:36.060 But the other thing to me that I find, particularly just given the work that I do interesting, is that this is a group of black men.

01:13:41.800 And I know there's been a lot of conversation about whether black men are going to break for Trump in greater numbers than in years past.

01:13:47.240 I think that will be the case.

01:13:48.760 I think he'll get a larger share of the black male vote than he did in 2020.

01:13:53.100 But I think the bigger thing, and this is reflective of NABJ, because there was also some controversy around the fact that there were no black male journalists on the stage asking him questions.

01:14:05.000 And I think part of the reason is that many of the institutions, particularly within the black community,

01:14:10.940 are either run or have the sort of cultural imprint of black women. 1.00

01:14:20.080 And you see this most clearly in the Democrat Party, where they will openly say black women are the backbone of our party.

01:14:26.880 They save democracy.

01:14:28.020 They save the world.

01:14:28.920 They save America. 0.95

01:14:29.700 And when you frame things that way, black men go from being leaders of their homes and their communities to being damsels in distress who need to be rescued by their women. 0.73

01:14:41.800 And I think that there is a growing population of black men who are getting tired of that particular narrative.

01:14:46.940 And they understand that more than policy, what the two parties offer is a difference in worldview.

01:14:53.820 And what Democrats offer is a matriarchal worldview that says everyone wins when women lead. 1.00

01:15:00.500 When women run the show, and particularly black women run the show and black men follow, follow them to the voting booth, follow them in the home, follow them in the culture, that everyone wins.

01:15:10.440 And I think that there are a growing number of men who are willing to play political homewrecker if we can break that hold that Democrats have on the black community.

01:15:20.100 That is fascinating.

01:15:21.140 That was something I know Roland Martin was also criticizing the fact that there was no black male journalist up there asking the questions.

01:15:26.900 We found the Don Lemon clip with April Ryan.

01:15:28.920 Here it is.

01:15:30.400 When you see her, you see her blackness, but she is also South Asian.

01:15:34.580 Her mom is South Asian and her dad is Jamaican.

01:15:36.940 April, April, April.

01:15:37.920 Listen, more power to her.

01:15:41.120 And I think it's great.

01:15:42.360 That should be enough. 0.97

01:15:44.800 It is enough that she's a black woman. 0.98

01:15:46.580 We are not a model. 0.97

01:15:47.480 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:15:49.020 But they did the same thing.

01:15:50.120 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:15:51.300 I think you're not hearing what people are saying. 0.52

01:15:54.600 The people who are saying, is she black enough? 0.98

01:15:56.060 That's bull. 0.99

01:15:56.680 That's BS. 0.96

01:15:58.320 But to want a distinction to say, is she African-American or is she black or is she whatever?

01:16:06.780 That what's, there is nothing wrong with that.

01:16:09.040 There is a difference between being African-American and being black.

01:16:13.580 People, Latino people are people of color, but they're not black.

01:16:17.700 They're brown people. 0.99

01:16:18.700 She is a woman of color, but she is a black woman. 0.98

01:16:21.280 Okay, that's why I agree with that.

01:16:22.840 I agree with that.

01:16:24.060 But is she African-American? 1.00

01:16:25.520 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:16:26.920 But is she African-American? 1.00

01:16:28.360 There's a difference.

01:16:28.960 There's nothing wrong with that.

01:16:30.080 The old Don Lemon there, Delano.

01:16:34.800 Good times.

01:16:35.980 All right, wait, let's, I want to shift gears here because Steve, you referenced something

01:16:40.580 that I really want to get to and we haven't touched it yet.

01:16:42.220 And that is the plea deal for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

01:16:46.560 I am, I can't believe it.

01:16:48.640 I mean, I can, but it's amazing to me that we just gave the, the guy who dreamed up 9-11

01:16:57.260 along with Osama bin Laden life in prison on the taxpayer's dime.

01:17:02.880 He killed almost 3,000 people, Americans, and he's not getting the death penalty.

01:17:10.320 He's not getting the death penalty.

01:17:13.440 And the Biden White House has said, oh, we didn't know anything about it.

01:17:16.840 You know what they did know about?

01:17:18.500 They've been in court time and time again, challenging the underlying legal proceedings

01:17:24.140 against Gitmo detainees as inappropriate, the product of torture, and so on and so forth

01:17:30.600 to make it as hard as humanly possible to actually get a conviction in this case against him.

01:17:37.020 And now they want to pretend that they've had nothing to do with this, but that man's

01:17:40.500 going to live out his life and die peacefully in his sleep.

01:17:44.500 Unlike the 3,000 Americans he killed on 9-11, it's an outrage.

01:17:50.460 Two things about this, Megan.

01:17:51.860 Number one, I think it's day 270, I believe, that we have had hostages in Gaza unreturned since

01:17:59.580 October the 7th.

01:18:01.200 And so they are sitting over there, who knows how many times they've been brutalized, assaulted,

01:18:05.180 raped by the same worldview that we are now cutting plea deals with.

01:18:09.280 The timing of doing this on the heels of Israel striking mighty blows against the Islamic high 0.99

01:18:16.480 command in both Hezbollah and Hamas.

01:18:18.600 I don't think that that is coincidental.

01:18:20.660 You had to know that the Hamas caucus within the Democratic Party was going to try to come

01:18:26.760 up with some way to wink and nod to the Islamofascist over there that, hey, we still got your back.

01:18:32.400 And this is what that is.

01:18:33.460 I'm 100 percent convinced of it.

01:18:35.140 But I think this also ties into the conversation that we were just having about Trump and disruption.

01:18:40.040 You know, when I was on the Cruz campaign strategizing against him in 2016, and so I got 0.98

01:18:45.000 a master's class on how to get your rear end kicked by Donald Trump. 0.97

01:18:48.300 I know exactly what that looks like. 0.99

01:18:49.740 I lived it every day for months.

01:18:51.120 OK, and what he masterfully did was he parlayed his disruption.

01:18:55.900 All the stuff that we were just talking about that he is doing to Kamala on race and ethnicity

01:19:00.120 that makes their side in that clip from Don Lemon you just played the amount of I mean,

01:19:04.480 the billable hours of psychoanalysis.

01:19:06.260 You can make millions psychoanalyzing those people that are that far into the nitty gritty,

01:19:10.360 the lint in their navels on racial identity and idolatry.

01:19:13.320 That frankly is insane.

01:19:15.040 And he did that to those people.

01:19:16.500 He broke them, but he beat them.

01:19:18.280 You can break them all you want. 0.99

01:19:19.420 We have to beat them.

01:19:20.700 He beat them by parlaying it into a signature issue, particularly immigration.

01:19:25.080 All right.

01:19:25.480 He broke.

01:19:25.920 He deadpooled.

01:19:26.620 He broke the fourth wall on immigration, shattered it. 0.94

01:19:29.780 Conversations that we were told for years by the Republican Party, we couldn't have terms

01:19:33.520 and statistics.

01:19:34.500 We were told we couldn't say or cite.

01:19:36.200 He shattered all of that and rode that issue to the nomination and then largely to the election

01:19:42.220 in and of itself.

01:19:43.620 He needs to do the same thing here, because if we don't parlay his disruption into issues,

01:19:48.440 then it becomes about who's disruption and psychosis.

01:19:52.720 You know, you see this on MSNBC.

01:19:54.740 You see it on Fox and a lot of independents, frankly, get exhausted by all of this.

01:19:58.940 It needs to be tied into issues like what we're just talking about right now, that these people

01:20:03.600 that are letting the 9-11 hijackers go, the mastermind behind it, get a plea agreement,

01:20:08.540 letting illegal aliens from Jordan go. 0.52

01:20:11.020 There was the Bill Malugian report last week.

01:20:13.880 Over 100 Chinese nationalists caught across the border illegally in San Diego, because we

01:20:18.660 all know China is just a hop, skip and a jump across the Rio Grande. 0.97

01:20:21.940 OK, I mean, parlay these things into issues so that they do not just become about battles

01:20:27.360 versus personalities. The Democrats want this.

01:20:29.780 They want to remind everybody, hey, you once traded mean tweets for record inflation and

01:20:35.020 30-year mortgage rates that are 100 percent higher than they were before we took over

01:20:38.640 four years ago. Let's see if you'll do it again.

01:20:40.760 What Trump wants to what needs to show is my mean tweets.

01:20:44.580 What they do is they disrupt the system so that now the system on issues you care about works

01:20:49.540 for you. We need to parlay this to actual issue solutions.

01:20:53.040 So it's not just a personality contest, but a personality contest that wins on issues for

01:20:58.480 the average American.

01:20:59.780 This is such a good point. You know, Delano, I look at and listen to what Steve is saying,

01:21:02.920 and I think about what's happened in Kamala in the first week or so.

01:21:06.700 And she's done absolutely nothing different than she used to do.

01:21:10.180 You know, she's she hasn't given some big policy speech. 0.62

01:21:12.420 She didn't come out as a great orator with, you know, inspiring rhetoric the way Obama did.

01:21:17.380 You know, there's nothing special about her in the way that, you know,

01:21:20.240 there was about Obama where you could see him coming from a mile away and you were like, 0.99

01:21:23.360 oh, shit, you know, it's gonna be very hard to defeat this guy. 0.99

01:21:27.100 That's not her jam. But the team around her has been very good over the first 11 days in 1.00

01:21:34.020 changing the national narrative about her, getting the messaging out.

01:21:37.660 J.D. Vance and the Trump ticket are weird and everybody picked it up.

01:21:41.200 And of course, the Democrat news allies do whatever they're told to do.

01:21:44.420 I'm just trying to change her image. So and I think Trump's got a very good team around him this

01:21:51.720 time. Very professional. I mean, look how they've navigated his way back from the dead,

01:21:57.580 you know, and I don't mean the assassination attempt. I mean, post J six and the way people 1.00

01:22:02.240 were looking at and feeling about Trump. But do they need to be doing more? Like, do they need now

01:22:08.300 in the in the last 90 plus days of this election to do what Steve is talking about? Take the thing

01:22:14.200 that Trump may not be great at? He has the instinct for the messaging, but maybe he doesn't make the

01:22:19.420 connections that he needs to the way Steve just said. And it isn't it their job to get this out

01:22:24.220 in all the advertisements and all over social media and with all of Trump's surrogates, just the

01:22:29.180 Republicans seem more poorly organized to me than the Dems.

01:22:32.620 Yeah, I agree with Steve. I definitely think that he should make a focus on tying the issues,

01:22:40.860 the biggest issues of the day to the American voter. And I think part of the reason it's difficult is

01:22:45.600 because honestly, I'd say over the last 20 years, and certainly since 2008, our electoral politics and

01:22:54.960 our political culture has become sort of much more consumed with personalities than policy issues.

01:23:01.640 Sometimes the way I say it is, if our political culture was high school, the class that we major

01:23:09.240 in is theater and not civics. So everything is about, you know, how, you know, how viral do my

01:23:15.880 tweets go? And, you know, and this is a bipartisan issue, by the way. So I'm not just attacking one

01:23:21.900 side of the aisle. But yeah, so I think he should focus on tying those issues, those bread and butter

01:23:27.860 issues, and spend more time focused on policy and less on personality.

01:23:32.820 Or at least his team should.

01:23:34.900 Yes, or at least his team should. On the higher side, one of the things I don't think that the

01:23:39.380 sort of the leftist media gets right when they talk about Democrats is the fact that to be a Democrat

01:23:47.780 and good standing, everyone basically has to sing from the same song sheet. So to the left, diversity

01:23:54.580 means everyone says the same thing, but looks different. So what you end up getting is not a

01:24:00.980 real policy debate outside of the socialist wing. What you get is a choice between avatars.

01:24:06.760 So you can get, you push a button and you can get a Black woman or a Black and Indian woman. You can get

01:24:12.620 Gretchen Whitmer. You can get Gavin Newsom. You can get Joe Biden. But they all sort of fall in line when

01:24:17.400 it comes to, particularly the big three issues, what I call their cap agenda, climate, abortion, and pride.

01:24:22.740 Everyone says the same thing. On the right, diversity means people who have different ideas on different

01:24:29.640 topics. Similar worldview, but different ideas. You have your NatCons. You have your social conservatives. You have

01:24:36.380 your neoconservatives. You have your fiscal hawks. You have your government reformers. The left has no such

01:24:42.760 ideological diversity. And that is really coming out. So really, what they do, once they figure out what avatar

01:24:49.980 they want to choose, then they have to go about the work of polishing that person up and selling that person to the

01:24:54.680 American public. And I just think it's her turn up for them to do that. So good. Everyone, what diversity

01:25:02.300 means to them is everyone looks different, but says the same thing. I've never heard it summed up so

01:25:08.520 succinctly and effectively. That's exactly it. And that is the reason why, Steve, we probably will not

01:25:14.640 be hearing Kamala Harris run to the microphones to condemn what just happened at the Olympics with a

01:25:21.680 female boxer having to give up 40 seconds, seconds, 46 seconds into the match because she was being 1.00

01:25:29.940 pummeled by a man posing as a woman because she needs to have the same message as the rest of her party 1.00

01:25:38.060 and the rest of her party and she favor diversity over all else. And that diversity includes men in

01:25:46.980 women's spaces. That's diverse. All right. But it's also unsafe and it's unfair. And this, I just want 0.99

01:25:54.680 to show you so that it's the woman in blue who had to call the racers or the match herself. 46 seconds 0.98

01:26:01.260 in, she went down on her knees. She cried and she said, this is unfair. She had been told by her coach

01:26:05.880 not to do it. Many people said, don't do it. And she did it because she said, I believe in

01:26:11.800 respecting my opponent. He did not respect her. This is a man who got into this ring and beat the

01:26:17.000 hell out of this female. Let me just show you this woman, the Italian boxer. She's not some 1.00

01:26:21.360 lightweight. We actually went back and pulled video of her other boxing matches. This woman's a badass. 1.00

01:26:27.640 She's tough. She can very well take a punch to the face, many punches to the face. This is years ago. 0.99

01:26:34.280 This is a different opponent. And she doesn't just whine and cry and give up. She takes it.

01:26:40.340 But boxing a man, getting punched in the face over and over by a man is a different story. By the way,

01:26:46.580 in this particular video, our Italian lady is in red. So don't be confused. And it's a different 0.95

01:26:51.180 opponent who happens to be female in this race, in this match. Steve, I'm outraged over this.

01:26:56.040 And there is zero chance that Kamala Harris is going to speak out about it.

01:26:59.220 Megan, I have to tell you, when I saw this video this morning, and it ends with her on her knees

01:27:05.540 in the ring, just sobbing. And I tell you, as a girl dad, as someone who was born to a 15-year-old

01:27:13.800 mom, because my biological didn't bother. Instead, his dad paid off my grandmother to try to get to my

01:27:21.600 mom to abort me so they wouldn't have to own a bastard into their prominent Democratic family. 1.00

01:27:27.100 We were on food stamps, ADC. I literally grew up with my mom. She married a stepdad who ended up 0.99

01:27:34.460 being very abusive and physically, emotionally, mentally. I mean, I saw women get beat and hit

01:27:40.700 in my home growing up. I finally got to the age where I had to physically defend my mom against

01:27:46.560 my dad. And now I'm a girl dad myself. And so I just, you know, watching her sob in that ring,

01:27:52.600 you know, the story of how I was brought up and the family conditions that I was brought up in,

01:27:59.260 very similar to what goes on in a lot of urban America, the emasculation of the American male, 0.69

01:28:04.120 as Delano was just talking about comprehensively, to the point we've created a term called toxic

01:28:08.600 masculinity. There's no such thing. There's just masculinity. And any other male behavior is

01:28:12.880 actually toxic. Men are to protect and defend women. That is one of the primary creative purposes

01:28:18.240 of our masculinity, of the strength that God gives us is to do those things. And I grew up in an

01:28:23.320 environment where the men abandoned my mom. The men abused my mom. And I've done everything I could

01:28:28.720 possibly do as a father to, you know, under God's grace to reverse that dysfunctional trend generationally

01:28:34.740 in our family as a dad that has existed for eons. And so many American families have been touched by

01:28:41.120 the exact spirit of the age that occurred in that ring. And you see this woman who's, she's done 0.51

01:28:46.420 everything the culture told her to do, uh, to be strong, to be tough. Okay. To fight for herself.

01:28:51.620 She did it all. And then in the end, she was broken by that exact same culture to the point 0.79

01:28:56.380 that all the work and effort and everything she put in to be the best she could be was completely

01:29:00.620 just done in. And where were the men? I think, I thought, I remember the first time Leah Thomas,

01:29:05.580 I watched him, uh, swim, uh, 400 and every year audience. I'm sure. Thank you for the correct pronoun.

01:29:10.620 Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. 462nd place. All right. When he tried to compete against men,

01:29:16.100 the very next year, he's a multinational champion at competing against the women.

01:29:20.400 And I remember this the first time, and I was sitting on my show on the blaze, just screaming

01:29:24.740 out, where are the dads? Like in any other era, you know why this would not have happened in any

01:29:30.360 other era? Because the dads would have come out of the stands and said, oh, hell no, that's not

01:29:35.200 happening. We're not doing that here. And therefore it would not have even been contemplated

01:29:39.920 to occur. We were one of the first to report this story going up on in Canada. Cause we work with

01:29:44.540 revolve news a lot and they're amazing. And, um, there's a 50 year old man who goes by the name

01:29:49.220 melody wise heart swimming against 13 year old girls in the pool. He changes his clothes full frontal

01:29:54.620 naked in the locker room with these little girls. I think I can speak with you, but for you both 0.56

01:29:59.420 saying you would never allow this to happen to your daughter, I would never let my husband

01:30:05.260 would never allow this to happen to my daughter. I don't know what's happening to our friends up

01:30:08.180 North. Let me give you this Delano, um, that just reaction coming in here, Riley Gaines, who by the

01:30:14.060 way, as we did warned about this exact thing happening in this exact match. Now she just tweeted a male 1.00

01:30:21.540 getting his feelings hurt matters more to the IOC and the Democrats than a woman getting physically 0.91

01:30:28.000 hurt. Read that again. And she's exactly right about that. Um, and then there's more JK Rowling,

01:30:34.740 a young female boxer has just had everything she's worked and trained for snatched away because you 1.00

01:30:40.580 allowed a male IOC to get in the ring with her. You're a disgrace. You're safeguarding in quotes is 1.00

01:30:46.580 a joke and Paris 24 will be forever tarnished by the brutal injustice done to Carini. Angela Carini

01:30:53.900 is the female boxer. I mean, it's hard to put into words. I mean, Steve captured, captured my exact

01:31:02.080 sentiment. I have two daughters as well. I don't want to say anything that's going to get me fired

01:31:05.660 from Heritage Foundation. So I'm just going to go and address your, this point, this point directly.

01:31:11.640 I mean, you know, we, we talk sometimes, you know, we talked about Trump at NABJ and again,

01:31:17.180 there's a lot of criticism of the left because people feel like they use race in ways, um, you know,

01:31:23.240 that, that are craven and self-interested and really don't serve the needs of African Americans.

01:31:27.240 I think even more glaring issue is how the party that claims to speak for the sisterhood

01:31:33.600 can go from, I am woman, hear me roar to this is a man's world at the drop of a dime.

01:31:38.880 And you cannot find a single Democrat in Congress who will stand up and say, there are only two sexes

01:31:46.220 and switching is not allowed and, and stand up for the women that they claim that they've been

01:31:50.640 standing up for for the last 60 years. So this is not just disheartening. I mean, I, this is an

01:31:57.260 abomination if I could use such strong language and not only am I frustrated with, with the politicians,

01:32:03.380 but I think of all the people in sports media who can prattle on, on any issue that they believe, um,

01:32:11.240 deals with social justice. So these athletes want to kneel during the national anthem and, and some,

01:32:16.320 and, uh, someone hung a piece of rope in Bubba Wallace's NASCAR garage. And they can talk at

01:32:21.480 length about any issue that's on the periphery with respect to, to sports and race and culture.

01:32:26.700 But the issue that's right at the heart of, of sports culture today, where you have thousands,

01:32:31.520 if not more high school athletes, female athletes crying out into the wilderness saying,

01:32:36.700 can someone in sports media, please stand up for me. And none of them will do it. Um, you know,

01:32:42.260 the, the Jamel Hills won't do it. The Stephen A. Smith's won't do it. The Megan Rapinoe's won't do

01:32:46.380 it. None of these people who are in sports media will do it. And one of the things that's most

01:32:51.000 frustrating, and I'll close with this is that these, particularly for the women, some of the 0.83

01:32:56.600 most prominent women in sports and in media who, who say I've had to fight all my life against sexism 0.64

01:33:03.020 and, and everything that I've done has been, you know, I've had to earn and take from the men who

01:33:08.000 wanted to keep me down. Some of these same women who define their career, uh, trajectory again, 1.00

01:33:14.240 again, against misogyny and sexism have finally found a group of men that they're willing to

01:33:18.120 submit to because when the impossible women step up, right. Then they say, Oh, I can't, I can't say 1.00

01:33:24.420 anything. I can't speak against that man. I can speak against sort of the misogyny I've made up in

01:33:29.720 my head, but I can't speak against Leah Thomas or this particular male athlete. And it's incredibly

01:33:34.980 frustrating to see. Well, I will say Stephen A. Smith was on the program the other day and he did

01:33:40.340 say he was against this. I asked him about it, but we need advocacy. I want to say also, absolutely

01:33:46.220 nobody's calling for any sort of violence to be done against this Canadian swimmer or anybody else.

01:33:50.880 What we want is the violence against us to stop. We want the violence against us and our girls to

01:33:58.740 stop. And by the way, it's about to be unleashed again in the Olympics next Saturday, August 3rd,

01:34:06.620 this Saturday is the quarterfinal where Algeria's male boxer posing as a female, Iman Khalif will

01:34:15.720 compete against Hungary's Luca Anna Harmore. And she will have to face this same man who beat the

01:34:24.260 Italian Angela Carini within a pulp to a pulp to the point where she felt she was in danger and had 0.99

01:34:30.800 to call the match. It's deeply wrong. It's a problem, not just for the IOC, but for all of us. And we don't

01:34:37.680 start speaking out against this in the press, women in sport, our male allies. We're going to get a whole

01:34:45.840 lot more of it. Your kid, your daughter, and mine too. Steve Delano, thank you both so much for being

01:34:52.980 here. Great having you. Thank you. Thank you. My gosh. I just want to say like, please, we taped

01:35:00.940 this episode with Jennifer Say and Michelle Tafoya and Sage Steele yesterday. And, um, we talked about

01:35:06.840 a lot of this. We talked about this case before it had happened and it's, what can you do, right?

01:35:12.740 What can you do other than speak out? There's not a lot, but they're trying. So they created this

01:35:18.320 scholarship basically where it's for girls, for women like Angela to say, you don't have to box. 1.00

01:35:23.780 And I realized this woman's been her whole life. She's at the Olympics. This is a dream come true.

01:35:27.960 How many women did she have to beat out for this spot? She made it. She made it. She wants gold. 1.00

01:35:33.720 She gets there. She sees a man across from her and she knows that's no longer even possible.

01:35:38.960 That gold and all of her dreams are now just a pipe dream. It's gone. Uh, so she, they created

01:35:45.700 this scholarship fund to try to help, you know, women like this and girls who have to forego prize 0.73

01:35:52.320 money or scholarships. Hold on a second. And I'll tell you what the, um, website is because we talked

01:35:57.260 about it over there. It's xx-xyathletics.com xx-xyathletics.com. You should take a look and consider it.

01:36:08.960 And I just wanted to bring you one other thing, you know, on the subject of the pronouns.

01:36:15.800 I know I sound like a broken record, but once I saw this light, it became important to me to

01:36:19.800 show it to everybody else. I really want you to know, please just Google, Google the article

01:36:23.920 pronouns are rohypnol. Now you can find it on the internet. It was banned at first as I said,

01:36:27.920 but here's what the news media is doing. And anybody else who decides to go with the fake pronouns,

01:36:32.520 you're not being kind. You're not being supportive. You're being harmful to women. You're making

01:36:38.140 things like that boxing, boxing match possible. You, you participate in a way in getting Angela

01:36:45.480 Carini hurt and ruining her Olympic dream. So this is in part what they say. And, you know,

01:36:52.920 rohypnol is like the date rape drug where it just dulls your senses. You don't realize what's happening

01:36:57.000 to you. Uh, you'll find, they say, if you, if you force yourself to do this, use the wrong pronouns

01:37:05.420 for a man that you have to consciously fight the conflict of input to your brain each and every

01:37:12.960 time. And it leaves you confused, distracted, slower, frustrated, and fatigued, forcing our brains

01:37:20.040 to ignore the evidence of our eyes, to ignore a conflict between what we see and know to be true

01:37:26.460 and what we are expected to say affects us using preferred pronouns does the same. It alters your

01:37:34.900 attention, your speed of processing your automaticity. You may find it makes you anxious. You pay less heed

01:37:42.760 to what you want to say and more to what is expected of you. That's true. You're thinking,

01:37:47.000 what is it? She, her, but it's a man. I'm not supposed to say he, him. I could get a strike on YouTube.

01:37:51.640 I could get fired from my job. I could. That's crazy. It slows you down. It confuses you. It makes

01:37:58.360 you less reactive. This is not a good thing. And it goes on to talk about how even hearing somebody

01:38:05.780 read or use preferred pronouns is damaging to you and gives you various experiments to bring

01:38:13.620 the confusion of at home. It's meant to confuse you and dull your senses to where you've lost the

01:38:20.520 argument before it's even begun. I beg you, beg you to stop doing it. Don't do it in your private

01:38:28.280 life. Don't do it in your professional life. Lean on your news media, write letters, go on the

01:38:34.040 comments section and say respectfully, but forcefully that this is extremely damaging to women and young

01:38:41.840 girls. We cannot win the argument. If we see the control over the language around it, it's a

01:38:48.080 teaspoon in the ocean, but it's an important one. Thank you all for tuning in. Please have a good

01:38:54.180 weekend. We'll be back on Monday. We'll see you then. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. 0.99

01:39:01.760 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - August 01, 2024

Injustice Against Female Boxer at Olympics, and Trump vs. Black Journalists, with Charlie Kirk, Steve Deace, and Delano Squires ｜ Ep. 854

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