The Megyn Kelly Show - Inside Story of Bondi's Epstein Files Fail, and the Secret to Solving Cancer, with Liz Wheeler and Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong

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00:01:01.320 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show,

00:01:03.220 live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.840 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.680 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:16.160 Coming up, the billionaire cancer specialist,

00:01:19.060 owner of the Los Angeles Times, Dr. Patrick Soon-Shang,

00:01:24.220 will join me for the first time.

00:01:26.160 This guy's fascinating.

00:01:27.580 Has he discovered the cure for cancer?

00:01:30.520 And also for COVID damage?

00:01:34.160 Or COVID vaccine damage?

00:01:35.980 We're gonna get into it.

00:01:37.180 But we start today with someone

00:01:38.280 who's never been on the program before, Liz Wheeler.

00:01:40.720 She's a conservative host

00:01:41.920 who was at that White House influencer event

00:01:45.740 back in February.

00:01:46.520 She was one of the folks handed the Epstein Files binder

00:01:50.420 by Attorney General Pam Bondi at the White House.

00:01:53.860 And we, of course, now know the binder

00:01:55.500 contained nothing new.

00:01:56.980 But they and we were promised more was coming

00:01:59.480 until on Sunday, the DOJ announced

00:02:02.240 there was no Epstein client list,

00:02:04.040 no one else would be charged,

00:02:05.360 and that there would be no more disclosures

00:02:07.320 from the investigation.

00:02:08.580 And as it turns out,

00:02:09.600 the administration seems kind of annoyed

00:02:11.740 that people want more answers.

00:02:13.660 Joining me now to explain exactly

00:02:16.020 what happened that day,

00:02:18.460 what was promised,

00:02:19.980 and what she thinks

00:02:21.140 in the wake of this bombshell announcement

00:02:23.800 by the DOJ and the FBI

00:02:25.100 on Sunday night to Axios,

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00:03:54.840 Liz, welcome to the program.

00:03:56.980 Hi, Megan.

00:03:57.480 Thanks for having me.

00:03:58.940 My pleasure.

00:03:59.800 Okay, so this is crazy.

00:04:00.960 This whole thing is so crazy.

00:04:02.640 And I know you've been following

00:04:04.500 our coverage a bit and say

00:04:05.520 we have it almost right,

00:04:06.880 but not totally right,

00:04:07.780 on what happened that day

00:04:09.560 when you and Jack Posobiec

00:04:12.360 and Libs of TikTok's Chaya Rychik,

00:04:15.000 a bunch of well-known

00:04:16.560 right-leaning influencers

00:04:18.280 were invited to the White House.

00:04:19.960 So tell us how that went down.

00:04:22.560 That's right.

00:04:23.260 And I appreciate your curiosity

00:04:24.840 and your coverage of this.

00:04:25.960 I think most of President Trump's

00:04:28.140 base doesn't consider this

00:04:29.460 to be a closed case.

00:04:30.720 Most of us have

00:04:31.220 outstanding questions

00:04:32.120 and we should have

00:04:33.320 outstanding questions.

00:04:34.120 But if you go back

00:04:35.420 to that day in February,

00:04:37.280 one of the misunderstandings,

00:04:39.220 I think,

00:04:39.440 is we weren't invited

00:04:40.540 to the White House

00:04:41.500 to receive the Epstein binders,

00:04:43.620 those infernal white binders.

00:04:45.480 We weren't invited

00:04:46.380 for that purpose.

00:04:47.500 We weren't even invited

00:04:48.480 to meet specifically

00:04:49.680 with Attorney General Pam Bondi.

00:04:51.480 We were invited

00:04:52.320 to meet with Vice President

00:04:53.640 J.D. Vance.

00:04:54.480 In fact,

00:04:55.020 a couple of weeks

00:04:55.980 prior to that meeting,

00:04:56.900 I had received a text message

00:04:58.260 inviting me to come

00:04:59.420 to the White House

00:04:59.960 to meet with the Vice President

00:05:01.200 and no reason was given

00:05:02.900 for the visit.

00:05:04.000 And I remember turning

00:05:04.720 to my husband at the time

00:05:05.800 and being like,

00:05:06.240 oh, I bet they're calling me

00:05:07.260 to the White House

00:05:07.840 to scold me

00:05:08.680 because I had just been

00:05:09.560 on Glenn Beck's radio program

00:05:11.800 a day,

00:05:12.260 I think the day before,

00:05:13.800 criticizing President Trump's

00:05:15.880 executive order

00:05:16.840 on in vitro

00:05:17.600 and suggesting

00:05:18.180 that there might be

00:05:18.820 a better way

00:05:19.460 to help heal

00:05:21.400 the chronic infertility crisis

00:05:22.780 in our country.

00:05:23.700 And I said,

00:05:24.280 oh, I bet they want

00:05:25.840 to have some words

00:05:26.600 with me about that.

00:05:27.320 And I kind of laughed about it,

00:05:28.380 but you get invited

00:05:29.320 to the White House,

00:05:30.040 you go.

00:05:30.540 It's an opportunity

00:05:31.220 of a lifetime.

00:05:32.040 It's so cool.

00:05:32.640 It's so incredible there.

00:05:34.140 I asked them,

00:05:34.980 I was like,

00:05:35.220 oh yeah,

00:05:35.460 what's this in reference to?

00:05:36.620 And they had mentioned like,

00:05:37.700 oh, it's a group meeting

00:05:39.040 with the Vice President.

00:05:40.280 I was like,

00:05:40.560 sure, I'll be there,

00:05:41.200 of course.

00:05:42.020 So I go that day

00:05:43.300 to the White House

00:05:44.620 and I didn't know

00:05:45.340 who else was invited.

00:05:46.680 I actually didn't know

00:05:47.820 the names

00:05:48.280 of any of the people

00:05:49.140 that were also going to

00:05:51.300 be in that room with us

00:05:53.060 until we were standing

00:05:53.900 in the security line

00:05:54.780 in secret service together

00:05:56.180 outside the White House.

00:05:57.180 And I see these various,

00:05:58.500 you know,

00:05:58.740 prominent conservatives,

00:05:59.840 especially on X.

00:06:01.140 You can call them influencers,

00:06:02.360 you can call them

00:06:02.740 independent journalists,

00:06:03.460 but pretty prominent

00:06:04.660 conservative voices,

00:06:06.560 independent journalists.

00:06:07.820 So we go into the White House

00:06:09.040 and we are taken into,

00:06:10.520 I was actually a couple minutes late

00:06:11.620 because my flight was delayed

00:06:12.740 that morning.

00:06:13.320 I had flown in

00:06:13.800 at the crack of dawn

00:06:14.580 and we're in the room,

00:06:16.280 the cabinet room,

00:06:17.140 which is right across the hall

00:06:18.220 from the Oval Office.

00:06:19.140 And there's nameplates

00:06:20.440 that each chair,

00:06:21.640 you know,

00:06:21.800 we're all expected.

00:06:22.680 This is not just a tour

00:06:23.520 of the White House.

00:06:24.220 This is where our meeting is.

00:06:25.580 And the meeting's being chaired

00:06:26.740 by the press secretary,

00:06:27.940 Caroline Levitt,

00:06:28.860 who explains to us

00:06:30.360 the purpose of the visit.

00:06:31.500 The purpose of the visit,

00:06:32.280 she said,

00:06:32.840 was because the mainstream media,

00:06:34.640 the corporate media,

00:06:35.820 is no longer going to be rewarded

00:06:37.480 by the Trump administration

00:06:38.780 for their lying

00:06:39.720 and their smears,

00:06:40.360 their propagandizing

00:06:41.340 on behalf of the other side.

00:06:43.800 Instead,

00:06:44.900 the White House

00:06:45.920 is going to,

00:06:46.580 in a sense,

00:06:47.480 coronate a new media

00:06:48.720 you are going to get access,

00:06:50.380 she told us,

00:06:51.100 to high-ranking decision makers

00:06:53.100 and cabinet secretaries

00:06:54.340 at the White House

00:06:55.360 because the mainstream media

00:06:56.780 shouldn't be given

00:06:57.500 that kind of access

00:06:58.380 when they have just lied

00:06:59.340 and smeared

00:06:59.800 and cheated President Trump.

00:07:01.860 And so the schedule

00:07:02.460 for the day,

00:07:02.980 we're told,

00:07:03.460 is we are going to have meetings

00:07:04.820 with a lot of these

00:07:06.260 different cabinet secretaries

00:07:07.480 and decision makers,

00:07:08.320 and we're going to have

00:07:09.100 a forum

00:07:09.820 to ask them questions,

00:07:10.940 to network with them,

00:07:11.880 to get to know them,

00:07:12.640 just to integrate

00:07:13.640 our media efforts

00:07:15.080 into the White House.

00:07:16.820 And so that's what happened.

00:07:18.140 It was actually a very,

00:07:19.080 it's a very cool initiative

00:07:20.160 from the White House.

00:07:21.040 It was an interesting experience.

00:07:22.020 We met with

00:07:22.680 Secretary of State

00:07:23.800 Marco Rubio

00:07:24.520 and HH Secretary RFK.

00:07:27.660 That was an interesting discussion.

00:07:29.820 We met with

00:07:30.620 Vice President Vance,

00:07:31.560 of course.

00:07:32.020 We met with Caroline Levitt.

00:07:33.260 And then we meet

00:07:34.200 with Attorney General

00:07:35.200 Pam Bondi

00:07:36.000 and FBI Director

00:07:37.220 Kash Patel.

00:07:38.200 And I have to say,

00:07:39.200 that was the shortest

00:07:40.340 meeting of all

00:07:41.220 because during our meeting

00:07:43.240 with the Vice President,

00:07:44.140 we had an unexpected guest

00:07:46.660 come into the room

00:07:47.360 from across the hall.

00:07:48.320 The President himself,

00:07:49.500 Donald Trump,

00:07:50.460 knocked on the door,

00:07:51.440 stuck his head in

00:07:52.240 and said,

00:07:52.740 hey, I heard there were

00:07:53.880 famous people in here.

00:07:55.200 And then he looked at us

00:07:56.620 and he goes,

00:07:57.380 which one of you

00:07:57.920 is the most famous?

00:07:59.280 Always the stand-up comedian.

00:08:00.700 Very entertaining.

00:08:01.980 Very entertaining.

00:08:02.820 We, of course,

00:08:03.300 are cracking up

00:08:04.000 and everybody's pointing

00:08:05.160 to someone else.

00:08:05.960 It's me.

00:08:06.860 I hope everyone said it.

00:08:07.660 It was like everyone

00:08:09.360 was pointing to someone else

00:08:10.400 because everyone wanted

00:08:11.360 to be a little bit humble.

00:08:12.540 It was fun.

00:08:13.140 It was funny.

00:08:14.120 But when we're sitting down

00:08:15.140 with Attorney General Pam Bondi,

00:08:17.240 she's telling us a little bit

00:08:18.000 about some of the initiatives

00:08:18.840 that they're doing

00:08:19.480 at the Department of Justice.

00:08:20.520 Good stuff that they're doing.

00:08:22.200 And then she brings out

00:08:23.200 these banker boxes

00:08:24.260 full of the white binders.

00:08:26.800 And she lifts one of these

00:08:27.600 white binders out of the box.

00:08:29.300 And, of course,

00:08:30.040 we're sitting at the same table

00:08:31.180 with her.

00:08:31.720 We see on the front

00:08:33.040 of the binders

00:08:33.740 that cover sheet

00:08:34.620 that reads

00:08:35.540 the most transparent

00:08:36.540 administration in history,

00:08:38.040 the Epstein Files Phase 1.

00:08:40.080 And we all take

00:08:40.880 a collective gasp

00:08:42.060 like, oh, my goodness,

00:08:43.580 what is in these files?

00:08:44.820 Are we really getting this?

00:08:46.620 And to her credit,

00:08:47.760 Attorney General Bondi

00:08:48.540 very quickly clarified,

00:08:49.820 no, no, this is not the dirt.

00:08:51.460 This is not the juicy stuff.

00:08:52.880 This is what I was given.

00:08:55.140 She said,

00:08:55.560 when I got to office,

00:08:56.340 I immediately requested

00:08:57.300 the Epstein files

00:08:58.020 be brought to me.

00:08:59.040 She's like,

00:08:59.580 and this is all I was given.

00:09:01.080 She's like,

00:09:01.420 and I was skeptical.

00:09:02.000 I was like,

00:09:02.520 this is it?

00:09:03.600 This tiny little stack of papers?

00:09:05.360 And she's like,

00:09:05.940 I was assured,

00:09:07.020 this is it.

00:09:07.720 And she said,

00:09:08.400 so I was going to release

00:09:09.440 this to the American people,

00:09:10.240 even though there's nothing

00:09:10.960 new or interesting

00:09:11.680 or juicy in here.

00:09:12.860 She's like,

00:09:13.460 until yesterday,

00:09:14.220 I received communication

00:09:16.200 from a whistleblower

00:09:17.220 who told me

00:09:18.040 that the SDNY

00:09:19.420 was hiding

00:09:20.700 truckloads of documents.

00:09:22.600 And she told us,

00:09:23.620 Attorney General Pam Bondi

00:09:24.540 said that day

00:09:25.100 at the White House,

00:09:26.080 you know,

00:09:26.460 videos and pictures,

00:09:27.940 the lists,

00:09:28.580 the juicy stuff,

00:09:29.480 all the dirt

00:09:29.940 that people are expecting.

00:09:31.180 The SDNY

00:09:31.820 is subverting the president,

00:09:33.320 the attorney general,

00:09:34.220 the FBI director,

00:09:35.000 and you,

00:09:35.760 the voters.

00:09:36.160 And so she handed us

00:09:37.580 that letter

00:09:38.140 that she had written

00:09:38.880 to FBI Director Cash Patel

00:09:40.800 demanding that she be brought

00:09:42.820 all of those documents

00:09:44.140 from the SDNY.

00:09:45.600 And she hands that letter

00:09:46.580 to us and says,

00:09:47.620 this is the story.

00:09:49.080 The fact that the SDNY,

00:09:50.460 there are still

00:09:51.100 deep state swamp creatures

00:09:52.520 who are trying

00:09:53.200 to subvert the president

00:09:54.340 in the government

00:09:55.600 at this moment.

00:09:56.820 And she essentially said,

00:09:58.440 you know,

00:09:58.660 I know why you're here

00:09:59.400 at the White House.

00:10:00.000 I know that you're going

00:10:01.120 to be given access

00:10:01.880 to the upper echelons

00:10:03.600 of the Trump administration,

00:10:04.960 you know,

00:10:05.200 because the mainstream media

00:10:06.020 has proven themselves

00:10:06.760 to be dishonest.

00:10:07.920 She's like,

00:10:08.620 here's a story for you.

00:10:09.840 You can break this story.

00:10:11.240 So we all understood

00:10:12.180 what the story was.

00:10:13.220 It's a very believable story

00:10:14.560 that the SDNY would be,

00:10:16.660 that would be hiding evidence

00:10:18.180 or destroying evidence.

00:10:19.280 We'd had other reports

00:10:20.480 that that was happening

00:10:21.960 inside the FBI.

00:10:23.180 So about at that moment,

00:10:25.040 we get interrupted

00:10:26.340 because the president invites us

00:10:28.540 to come into the Oval Office.

00:10:29.480 So we all,

00:10:30.140 you know,

00:10:30.280 leave all of our stuff

00:10:31.080 in that room

00:10:31.580 and go across the hall

00:10:32.540 to the Oval Office,

00:10:33.400 which is an incredible experience.

00:10:35.740 It doesn't matter

00:10:36.520 how many times you've seen it.

00:10:37.720 It doesn't matter

00:10:38.200 how cool you are.

00:10:39.360 It is just the weight

00:10:40.300 of history in that place

00:10:41.280 will give you the chills.

00:10:42.460 And President Trump

00:10:43.420 in the Oval Office

00:10:44.500 is asking us questions

00:10:46.180 and taking questions from us,

00:10:47.640 giving us a tour.

00:10:48.960 Meghan,

00:10:49.280 he took a poll.

00:10:50.300 He asked us to vote

00:10:51.180 on whether we wanted

00:10:52.060 a photograph

00:10:53.300 or a painting

00:10:54.100 of George Washington

00:10:55.080 or Ronald Reagan

00:10:55.860 hanging in the Oval Office.

00:10:57.520 So he's entertaining us,

00:10:59.480 essentially.

00:11:00.280 At the same time,

00:11:01.480 he is doing

00:11:02.400 what he does best.

00:11:03.800 People are walking

00:11:04.420 into the room.

00:11:05.200 Stephen Miller,

00:11:06.060 Tom Homan,

00:11:07.180 you know,

00:11:07.580 now former NSA,

00:11:09.300 Mike Waltz.

00:11:09.920 All these people

00:11:10.380 are walking in the room

00:11:11.040 asking him things.

00:11:12.020 He's dealing with them

00:11:12.900 and then his attention

00:11:13.620 comes right back to us

00:11:14.760 without becoming distracted.

00:11:17.160 It's like watching

00:11:18.280 a conductor of an orchestra

00:11:19.560 to watch him manage

00:11:21.460 not just our country

00:11:23.300 and the government

00:11:23.740 but the world

00:11:24.580 in this way.

00:11:25.260 It's incredible.

00:11:26.480 We take pictures with him.

00:11:27.840 He gives us hats

00:11:28.560 and coins and pens

00:11:29.800 and all the paraphernalia

00:11:30.800 that he gives to guests

00:11:31.840 in the Oval Office

00:11:32.580 and then we go back

00:11:34.120 into the cabinet secretary room

00:11:36.380 and we meet with

00:11:37.180 another person or two.

00:11:38.960 I don't remember

00:11:39.400 who we met with after that

00:11:40.780 but then we realize

00:11:42.940 or the people running the event

00:11:44.600 realize that the meeting

00:11:46.360 has run over time.

00:11:47.560 The UK Prime Minister

00:11:48.460 and his entourage

00:11:50.300 were arriving

00:11:51.160 and they were scheduled

00:11:51.920 to be in that room

00:11:52.720 so we were ushered

00:11:54.060 rather quickly

00:11:54.780 out the back door

00:11:55.700 of the Oval Office.

00:11:57.480 Of course,

00:11:58.160 you surrender your cell phone

00:11:59.680 when you go in the West Wing

00:12:00.740 in the little wooden box

00:12:02.920 downstairs

00:12:03.420 so we're all,

00:12:04.720 of course,

00:12:05.200 withdrawing from our technology

00:12:06.620 hoping to get to our phones

00:12:07.780 as quickly as possible.

00:12:09.240 We go out the back door

00:12:10.260 with our coats

00:12:11.320 and our hats

00:12:12.300 and the binders

00:12:13.200 in our arms.

00:12:14.480 We go out the back door

00:12:15.600 and we meet

00:12:16.460 this gaggle of press

00:12:17.740 that are camped out

00:12:19.240 in the grass

00:12:19.860 out back

00:12:20.600 unexpectedly.

00:12:22.040 They were there,

00:12:22.600 of course,

00:12:22.840 to try to get a glimpse

00:12:24.220 of the UK Prime Minister.

00:12:25.900 They see us

00:12:26.800 and Megan,

00:12:27.300 you should have seen their faces.

00:12:28.260 They were so bitter,

00:12:29.560 so unhappy,

00:12:30.560 so surprised

00:12:31.400 and annoyed

00:12:32.060 that we were given access

00:12:33.100 to the White House

00:12:33.800 while they were out

00:12:34.500 in the grass.

00:12:35.840 That's actually

00:12:36.420 what the smiles

00:12:37.100 in those original photos

00:12:38.260 were about

00:12:38.740 is they were so,

00:12:39.880 they were just so jealous

00:12:40.920 and bitter

00:12:41.340 that we were laughing at them.

00:12:42.360 We were taunting them.

00:12:42.980 We were like,

00:12:43.240 yeah,

00:12:43.340 we were in the White House

00:12:44.080 and how's the grass

00:12:45.160 feel today?

00:12:46.100 Because there were

00:12:46.740 many of the influencers

00:12:47.680 who were showing

00:12:48.680 the binders

00:12:49.360 and showing them off.

00:12:50.560 I mean,

00:12:50.820 I don't know

00:12:52.040 whether you were one of them,

00:12:53.080 but there were definitely

00:12:54.180 some people there

00:12:54.880 who were happy

00:12:55.980 to show off

00:12:56.680 what they'd just been given

00:12:57.760 and that's what led

00:12:59.600 people like me

00:13:00.520 to think

00:13:01.160 they're happy

00:13:02.780 that they have

00:13:03.380 these binders

00:13:04.180 and they want

00:13:04.920 the press to see

00:13:06.380 that they've got

00:13:06.820 the binders

00:13:07.380 and that it was

00:13:08.480 sort of like

00:13:08.860 a justice is coming thing.

00:13:10.240 It wasn't,

00:13:10.640 to me,

00:13:10.920 it didn't read

00:13:11.340 like a middle finger

00:13:12.140 to the press,

00:13:12.640 though it could have been.

00:13:13.140 It read like a

00:13:14.280 we're about to get the truth.

00:13:16.400 I mean,

00:13:16.580 this is the thing

00:13:17.740 that I've been hooked on

00:13:18.880 all along,

00:13:19.480 which is

00:13:19.840 why would the White House

00:13:21.280 allow this?

00:13:22.160 Why would they allow

00:13:23.060 their,

00:13:23.600 you know,

00:13:24.400 top surrogates,

00:13:25.260 whatever,

00:13:25.640 most loyal fans

00:13:27.220 and friends in media

00:13:28.800 to get embarrassed like this

00:13:30.320 when they knew

00:13:30.740 there was nothing in there?

00:13:32.580 Well,

00:13:33.060 and I think that's

00:13:33.700 where the infuriating

00:13:34.540 part starts, right?

00:13:35.820 I certainly can't speak

00:13:36.640 for the other people involved.

00:13:37.820 I know I was laughing

00:13:38.660 at the press.

00:13:39.380 The press also noticed

00:13:40.280 those binders.

00:13:40.960 Of course they did.

00:13:41.440 It's very prominently

00:13:42.200 displayed on the front

00:13:42.960 that says the Epstein files

00:13:44.000 and like,

00:13:44.360 what are you guys holding?

00:13:45.560 They took pictures of them.

00:13:47.120 I think our expectation,

00:13:48.780 again,

00:13:49.060 maybe I should speak here

00:13:49.760 just for myself.

00:13:50.420 My expectation is

00:13:51.300 we're about 10 seconds,

00:13:52.280 30 seconds away

00:13:52.880 from getting our phones.

00:13:53.900 We're about to break

00:13:54.820 this story ourselves.

00:13:56.220 And we knew,

00:13:57.080 of course,

00:13:57.340 the context of the story

00:13:58.340 was not,

00:13:59.240 oh,

00:13:59.440 this is the dirt,

00:14:00.360 the Epstein files.

00:14:01.160 We knew the context

00:14:01.780 of the story,

00:14:02.480 but obviously people's reactions

00:14:04.000 are going to be

00:14:04.440 the same reaction

00:14:05.100 that I just had

00:14:06.240 when Pam Bondi

00:14:06.940 originally showed me

00:14:07.880 that binder.

00:14:08.620 Oh my goodness,

00:14:09.140 is this the dirt?

00:14:10.500 Well,

00:14:10.840 you pair that immediately

00:14:11.940 with the,

00:14:12.680 wait a second,

00:14:13.320 the real story is the SDNY.

00:14:15.160 So I have this expectation

00:14:16.020 that we're about to break this list

00:14:17.520 because this confused me,

00:14:18.700 okay?

00:14:18.880 Because I remember

00:14:21.300 at the time,

00:14:22.180 I remembered this piece

00:14:22.920 of the story.

00:14:23.800 At least two of the influencers

00:14:25.260 or whatever conservative

00:14:26.120 personalities who were there

00:14:27.080 tweeted out the exact same tweet

00:14:28.580 after this thing went down.

00:14:29.960 It had clearly been given

00:14:31.060 to them by the White House.

00:14:32.100 There's just no question

00:14:33.020 by somebody who was there.

00:14:34.240 It was the exact same tweet,

00:14:35.900 you know?

00:14:36.700 And so to me,

00:14:37.640 it was obviously somebody

00:14:38.760 within the administration

00:14:39.800 who was like,

00:14:40.440 this might be a great tweet

00:14:41.480 to send to frame

00:14:42.660 what has just happened today.

00:14:44.180 And I pulled it

00:14:45.040 just to remind myself

00:14:47.220 of what happened.

00:14:47.600 Yeah, show me,

00:14:47.640 because I forget who it is,

00:14:48.020 but I remember

00:14:48.460 the explanation for this.

00:14:50.340 It was,

00:14:51.260 the people who tweeted it out

00:14:53.100 included,

00:14:53.980 let's see,

00:14:54.780 Chad Prather, right?

00:14:56.300 D.C.

00:14:56.820 Yeah, who's D.C.

00:14:57.660 Drano and Chad Prather.

00:14:58.820 And they tweeted the following.

00:15:00.860 Today I met with President Trump,

00:15:02.420 Vice President J.D. Vance,

00:15:03.500 A.G. Pan Bondi,

00:15:04.320 and FBI Director Cash Patel

00:15:05.440 in the Oval Office.

00:15:06.740 They handed me a binder copy

00:15:08.420 of the Epstein files,

00:15:09.820 the most transparent administration

00:15:11.140 in American history.

00:15:12.700 The best part?

00:15:13.860 This is just the start.

00:15:15.220 A.G. Bondi confirmed

00:15:16.180 there are thousands more

00:15:17.380 Epstein file documents

00:15:18.400 being secretly held

00:15:19.460 in the SDNY,

00:15:21.260 and they will be delivered

00:15:22.140 to the DOJ in D.C.

00:15:23.760 by February 28th.

00:15:25.220 People will be going to jail

00:15:26.860 for what they've done.

00:15:28.400 So this is so crazy,

00:15:30.000 because these people,

00:15:31.280 clearly,

00:15:31.520 if they were given this

00:15:32.100 by the White House,

00:15:33.140 the White House is trying to,

00:15:34.260 I think that's worth clarifying.

00:15:36.740 Well, those two

00:15:38.100 just happened to send out

00:15:39.200 the same exact week?

00:15:39.900 No, Chad Prather.

00:15:40.680 Chad Prather actually came out later

00:15:42.120 and said that he copied

00:15:43.860 and pasted from D.C. Drano,

00:15:45.080 and he apologized for doing that.

00:15:46.320 And D.C. Drano,

00:15:47.140 Rogan O'Handley,

00:15:48.200 had written that himself.

00:15:50.240 Okay.

00:15:50.720 All right.

00:15:51.120 Well, that makes sense, too.

00:15:52.340 So why do you think

00:15:54.500 they're saying,

00:15:55.400 like, as his framing is,

00:15:56.740 they gave us some stuff.

00:15:58.080 We've got Epstein files.

00:15:59.680 They're the most transparent

00:16:01.000 administration in history,

00:16:02.360 and the best part is

00:16:03.260 it's just the start.

00:16:04.180 Like, it wasn't indignation.

00:16:05.740 Your messaging seemed

00:16:06.760 to be different that night,

00:16:07.900 and I remember,

00:16:08.560 because you were more like,

00:16:10.320 no, the binder's a scandal

00:16:12.340 because it shows you

00:16:14.600 that there's still

00:16:16.020 a deep state out there

00:16:17.020 that's got documents

00:16:17.920 that's thumbing the middle finger

00:16:19.300 even at the D.O.J.,

00:16:21.020 namely SDNY,

00:16:22.300 which appears to have

00:16:23.160 the treasure trove

00:16:24.900 of Epstein docs.

00:16:26.120 Anyway, to me,

00:16:26.720 it was just confusing,

00:16:27.940 and I was wondering,

00:16:29.060 not accusing anybody

00:16:29.820 of doing anything wrong

00:16:30.780 whatsoever,

00:16:31.120 but I was wondering

00:16:32.160 whether you guys

00:16:33.440 were being given

00:16:34.120 different messaging

00:16:35.060 from the White House

00:16:35.960 on this or just walked away

00:16:37.760 with different takeaways

00:16:39.580 because you were each confused

00:16:41.760 or you just were all

00:16:43.220 trying to figure it out

00:16:44.040 in your own way.

00:16:45.620 Right.

00:16:46.140 Well, I can't speak

00:16:47.300 for Chad Prather.

00:16:48.220 I can't even speak

00:16:48.840 for Rogan,

00:16:49.400 although I think highly of Rogan.

00:16:51.120 I can only tell you

00:16:52.240 we were not given

00:16:53.020 any kind of,

00:16:53.940 I would never actually

00:16:54.520 do this anyway,

00:16:55.100 even if I were

00:16:55.640 quote-unquote

00:16:56.020 given talking points.

00:16:57.160 I would never do that.

00:16:57.800 I'm not a spokesman

00:16:58.500 for the administration.

00:16:59.920 I'm a supporter

00:17:00.420 of President Trump's

00:17:01.200 America First Agenda,

00:17:02.240 but I'm not running

00:17:04.140 interference for him

00:17:05.100 in any way,

00:17:05.840 shape, or form.

00:17:06.420 But notwithstanding,

00:17:07.500 we weren't given

00:17:08.060 anything like that.

00:17:09.300 I wasn't, at least.

00:17:10.520 We were told exactly

00:17:11.620 what I just detailed to you.

00:17:12.680 We were given these binders,

00:17:14.000 and then we were given

00:17:14.620 that paper by Pam Bondi.

00:17:16.380 She's the one who said

00:17:17.160 that's the real story.

00:17:18.840 And I actually asked her

00:17:19.720 at the time,

00:17:20.780 because of what

00:17:22.420 the cover sheet said,

00:17:23.320 I asked her at the time,

00:17:23.900 I was like,

00:17:24.160 have you seen

00:17:24.520 the SDNY documents?

00:17:26.420 And she said no.

00:17:27.640 She said she hadn't.

00:17:28.780 That was probably

00:17:29.600 the first red flag for me

00:17:31.780 was Pam Bondi admitting

00:17:34.220 that she had not seen

00:17:35.080 those documents

00:17:35.700 before she wanted us

00:17:36.700 to launch this story.

00:17:38.640 Now, when you're

00:17:39.500 in a situation like that,

00:17:40.440 you're like, okay,

00:17:40.900 that's maybe not

00:17:41.500 how I would handle it.

00:17:43.180 Also something,

00:17:44.800 when someone's on your side,

00:17:46.060 this is what I've been

00:17:46.520 saying all week,

00:17:47.020 when someone's on your side,

00:17:47.820 you give them the benefit

00:17:48.460 of the doubt.

00:17:49.240 I, that day,

00:17:49.920 was hoping Pam Bondi

00:17:50.840 would produce.

00:17:51.300 You have to choose

00:17:52.120 at some point

00:17:52.820 whether you're going

00:17:53.700 to trust someone.

00:17:54.520 Because even if you're

00:17:55.260 a journalist,

00:17:56.020 there's only so much

00:17:56.980 verification that you can do

00:17:58.700 unless you have access

00:17:59.640 to the source materials.

00:18:00.760 I obviously didn't have access

00:18:01.980 to the SDNY documents,

00:18:03.480 so I have to choose,

00:18:04.620 okay, am I going to trust

00:18:05.920 Pam Bondi

00:18:06.460 or am I not going

00:18:07.380 to trust Pam Bondi?

00:18:08.420 When someone's on your side,

00:18:09.460 at a certain point,

00:18:10.220 you extend them the trust.

00:18:11.340 And I thought, okay,

00:18:11.780 she hasn't seen them,

00:18:13.000 but she must be pretty

00:18:14.000 confident in them

00:18:14.620 or she wouldn't launch

00:18:15.680 these binders in this way

00:18:16.900 with this story.

00:18:17.680 So you give her

00:18:18.340 the benefit of the doubt.

00:18:19.620 The thing is, Megan,

00:18:20.880 and this is something

00:18:21.480 I didn't talk about

00:18:22.340 because I thought,

00:18:23.460 because I wanted it,

00:18:24.280 I wanted her to produce.

00:18:25.440 I wanted her to live up

00:18:27.360 to this benefit of the doubt

00:18:28.420 that I extended her.

00:18:29.460 That day in that room,

00:18:31.060 Pam Bondi was bragging

00:18:32.620 about making the cover sheet

00:18:34.200 on that binder

00:18:34.980 that read the most transparent

00:18:36.700 administration in history,

00:18:38.260 phase one Epstein files.

00:18:39.740 She acted like she had made it

00:18:40.900 on a Word document

00:18:41.720 and printed it out herself

00:18:42.900 and put it in the front cover

00:18:44.800 of that binder.

00:18:46.060 And to me,

00:18:46.920 that is where,

00:18:48.600 when you fast forward

00:18:49.680 just a little bit

00:18:50.680 to this past Sunday

00:18:52.160 and we have this announcement

00:18:53.740 from the Department of Justice

00:18:54.820 that suddenly says

00:18:55.820 there is no client list,

00:18:57.460 there's no blackmail operation,

00:18:58.980 Epstein definitively killed himself,

00:19:00.720 you're not getting

00:19:01.160 any more documents,

00:19:02.140 thank you, goodbye,

00:19:02.800 no more questions.

00:19:04.320 You know, my reaction is,

00:19:05.560 what are you talking about?

00:19:07.020 Not only did Pam Bondi

00:19:08.200 go on Fox News

00:19:09.060 and say it is on my desk,

00:19:11.180 she was asked about

00:19:11.940 the client list specifically

00:19:12.920 so that while she didn't say

00:19:14.080 the phrase client list,

00:19:15.240 she said it is on my desk

00:19:16.980 waiting for a review.

00:19:18.400 I know two days ago,

00:19:19.340 she said I was talking

00:19:20.220 about the Epstein files,

00:19:21.840 okay, maybe that's what you meant,

00:19:23.300 that's not what you said,

00:19:24.560 and words obviously matter,

00:19:26.260 words have implication

00:19:27.100 to the people that hear them,

00:19:28.760 we perceive them

00:19:29.660 the way that they are said,

00:19:30.880 not the way that you meant,

00:19:32.420 which is part of the problem here,

00:19:34.500 but you really can't square

00:19:36.440 the Department of Justice

00:19:37.900 announcement on Sunday

00:19:39.080 that just says,

00:19:39.920 actually none of this is true

00:19:41.000 definitively

00:19:41.700 with the behavior

00:19:42.980 by Attorney General Pam Bondi

00:19:45.220 on that day.

00:19:46.260 again,

00:19:47.280 notwithstanding the fact that,

00:19:49.500 and I've spoken about

00:19:50.280 this before too,

00:19:51.000 there was an embargo

00:19:52.080 that was given to us

00:19:53.220 halfway through

00:19:54.400 breaking the story,

00:19:55.540 right?

00:19:55.880 So you go back to that day

00:19:56.800 outside after we'd

00:19:57.860 run into the press,

00:19:59.360 we were taken down

00:20:00.080 to our phones,

00:20:00.880 and we begin to break

00:20:01.900 this story.

00:20:02.400 We post that picture

00:20:03.140 that I posted

00:20:03.780 holding the Epstein files.

00:20:05.820 My intention

00:20:06.400 was within 30 seconds

00:20:08.080 because that's how you

00:20:08.860 game the X algorithm,

00:20:10.020 you do a post,

00:20:10.780 then you do the second post

00:20:12.160 on the thread,

00:20:12.820 everyone knows this.

00:20:13.720 My intention was to say,

00:20:15.200 but this is the real story.

00:20:16.840 You just taught me something.

00:20:18.980 I did not know that.

00:20:20.420 Keep going.

00:20:21.360 It works like a dream.

00:20:22.540 Unless, of course,

00:20:23.320 you're in this situation.

00:20:24.580 Then it gives the White House

00:20:26.200 30 seconds to tell you

00:20:27.520 that actually there's

00:20:28.260 an embargo on the story

00:20:30.060 because they don't want

00:20:32.600 President Trump to be asked

00:20:34.040 during his press conference

00:20:35.100 with the UK Prime Minister

00:20:36.320 only about the Epstein files.

00:20:38.580 So suddenly, Megan,

00:20:39.760 I find myself in this position

00:20:41.020 where I'm like,

00:20:42.120 oh no,

00:20:42.600 because I also am

00:20:44.900 chronically on X

00:20:46.120 and I see that

00:20:46.700 those media photos

00:20:47.580 that were taken of us

00:20:48.480 out back

00:20:49.100 weren't just posted

00:20:50.400 to a random website somewhere.

00:20:51.640 They were starting

00:20:52.120 to catch fire online

00:20:53.200 and it starts to look like

00:20:55.040 the train wreck

00:20:55.900 unfolding before my eyes

00:20:57.420 that it was.

00:20:58.280 People,

00:20:58.920 and I understand

00:20:59.520 why they felt this way,

00:21:00.840 they start to think,

00:21:01.760 oh, these influencers

00:21:03.060 are being gatekeepers.

00:21:04.380 They're engaging in clickbait.

00:21:06.080 All of these things

00:21:06.960 which you make a decision

00:21:08.400 at the beginning of your career

00:21:09.560 when you're in this business,

00:21:10.620 are you going to be bombastic?

00:21:11.920 Are you going to be hyperbolic?

00:21:13.200 Are you going to engage

00:21:13.820 in clickbait?

00:21:14.580 Are you going to be ethical?

00:21:15.960 And anybody who,

00:21:16.800 I mean,

00:21:16.960 I've been in this business

00:21:17.580 a long time now,

00:21:18.480 10 years,

00:21:19.100 more than 10 years,

00:21:20.240 anybody who's ever listened

00:21:21.460 to me,

00:21:21.740 watched me,

00:21:22.120 or read my work

00:21:22.740 knows that I made the choice

00:21:23.760 not to do that.

00:21:24.620 I'm very transparent

00:21:25.560 with my audience.

00:21:26.280 I'm very honest.

00:21:27.260 I don't engage in hot takes

00:21:28.720 even if it might get you

00:21:30.100 more clicks

00:21:30.620 because it's not

00:21:31.360 the right thing to do.

00:21:32.540 So I'm, of course,

00:21:33.720 personally infuriated

00:21:34.760 at this point

00:21:35.260 because this makes it look

00:21:36.280 like I'm doing

00:21:36.920 what I don't do.

00:21:37.940 So I am frantically

00:21:39.820 behind the scenes,

00:21:41.580 you know,

00:21:41.960 in the Uber

00:21:42.600 in Washington, D.C.,

00:21:44.260 screaming at the White House

00:21:45.780 via text message,

00:21:46.820 please let me post this.

00:21:48.340 Do you understand

00:21:49.180 what's going on?

00:21:50.140 Not just from my

00:21:50.920 personal perspective,

00:21:51.620 but the way that it's

00:21:52.420 making the administration

00:21:53.220 look.

00:21:54.940 Bureaucracy takes forever.

00:21:56.440 It was at least an hour

00:21:57.360 before we got permission

00:21:58.380 to post the real story

00:22:01.380 and the damage

00:22:02.060 by that time

00:22:02.680 had already been done.

00:22:04.220 So, again,

00:22:05.600 I held my tongue

00:22:06.300 about this for a while

00:22:07.160 because I thought,

00:22:07.740 OK, maybe this unforced error

00:22:09.740 was a severe lapse

00:22:12.000 in judgment.

00:22:12.740 For me as an outsider,

00:22:14.420 and I'm only sort of

00:22:15.980 an outsider, right,

00:22:16.700 because I'm a member

00:22:17.200 of the press

00:22:17.660 and I know

00:22:18.240 the administration well,

00:22:19.460 but my experience

00:22:20.360 of it was not,

00:22:21.640 for whatever it's worth,

00:22:22.860 that you guys were engaging

00:22:23.940 in clickbait.

00:22:24.700 I saw you guys

00:22:25.700 as a bunch of innocent victims

00:22:27.040 of the whole thing.

00:22:27.920 I was like,

00:22:29.120 these are,

00:22:29.880 of course,

00:22:30.340 I know all of you,

00:22:31.580 at least by your tweets

00:22:32.700 and so on.

00:22:33.160 And I think

00:22:34.260 this is a very loyal group

00:22:35.720 to the president.

00:22:36.300 This is a group

00:22:36.880 that's been important

00:22:37.620 to the president's election.

00:22:39.000 This is a group

00:22:39.820 that helped provide context,

00:22:41.360 you know,

00:22:41.640 throughout the entire campaign

00:22:42.760 when the mainstream was lying.

00:22:44.400 This is part of the group

00:22:45.440 that would try to set

00:22:46.100 the record straight,

00:22:47.200 provide additional facts

00:22:48.000 and context.

00:22:48.380 So there's no way

00:22:49.120 this White House

00:22:50.020 would willingly want

00:22:50.920 to embarrass this group.

00:22:52.460 So they've invited them

00:22:53.780 to the White House,

00:22:54.620 clearly.

00:22:55.580 They've given them

00:22:56.460 these binders that read,

00:22:57.620 you know,

00:22:58.060 Epstein file.

00:22:59.120 They've allowed them

00:22:59.900 to be photographed

00:23:00.520 holding the binders

00:23:01.860 and those photos

00:23:03.000 hit the internet.

00:23:03.580 And then within,

00:23:05.320 you know,

00:23:05.540 a very short time

00:23:06.340 after the photos

00:23:06.920 hit the internet

00:23:07.420 was,

00:23:08.480 I don't even remember

00:23:09.540 how it came out,

00:23:10.240 but it was like,

00:23:10.740 there's nothing new in there.

00:23:11.620 There's nothing new.

00:23:12.460 There's nothing new.

00:23:13.900 And then the narrative

00:23:14.780 kind of cut hole.

00:23:15.520 Well, they've been like embarrassed.

00:23:18.380 They've been embarrassed

00:23:19.200 because now here

00:23:20.080 they are holding up the binders

00:23:21.320 and there's nothing new.

00:23:22.860 And all I could think was,

00:23:24.300 this is something you would do

00:23:25.100 to people you don't like.

00:23:26.240 This is something you would do

00:23:27.320 to people whose credibility

00:23:28.180 you wanted to undermine.

00:23:29.780 But I never felt like

00:23:30.520 you guys were guilty

00:23:31.380 of doing clickbait.

00:23:32.360 I felt like somebody

00:23:33.160 in the administration

00:23:34.080 has totally dropped

00:23:35.920 the ball here.

00:23:37.460 Why would they tell you guys

00:23:38.780 there was something new

00:23:40.100 or noteworthy

00:23:40.860 or celebratory

00:23:41.660 or in any way to show

00:23:43.060 in these binders

00:23:44.220 with the label on them

00:23:46.640 if there weren't?

00:23:48.300 Why would they do?

00:23:49.200 And to this moment,

00:23:50.340 I still don't understand.

00:23:51.600 Even hearing you,

00:23:52.300 I'm like,

00:23:52.840 why would Pam Bondi,

00:23:54.060 if she said to you

00:23:54.840 even at the time,

00:23:55.940 there's nothing great in here,

00:23:57.480 but I'm waiting

00:23:58.400 on additional documents

00:23:59.440 I just found out about

00:24:00.400 and I'll give you those.

00:24:02.800 Why wouldn't,

00:24:04.220 like why would she go

00:24:05.320 through the exercise

00:24:06.740 of the binders,

00:24:07.780 which anybody would know

00:24:10.380 had the potential

00:24:11.700 to embarrass you?

00:24:12.500 Why would you ever

00:24:13.360 want to hold something up

00:24:14.420 as like exciting

00:24:15.800 if it was all old news?

00:24:17.740 That's like a sin

00:24:18.560 of journalism.

00:24:19.220 Every journalist knows

00:24:19.980 you don't want to tout

00:24:20.580 something as big.

00:24:21.440 That's literally old news.

00:24:23.380 And to this moment,

00:24:24.040 I don't understand, Liz,

00:24:24.940 whether it's because

00:24:25.400 Pam Bondi was negligent

00:24:28.080 in making sure,

00:24:29.520 like what's exactly

00:24:30.600 in this binder

00:24:31.260 and does she know

00:24:31.960 there's actually nothing new?

00:24:33.420 You're about to humiliate

00:24:34.420 people who care about you

00:24:35.500 or because she had

00:24:37.540 some other motive.

00:24:38.920 I don't know.

00:24:40.660 Well, first of all,

00:24:41.480 thank you for giving

00:24:42.280 the benefit of the doubt

00:24:43.200 to us that day.

00:24:44.660 Not everyone in our movement

00:24:45.980 gave the benefit

00:24:46.600 of the doubt that way

00:24:47.860 and did accuse us

00:24:49.360 of clickbait,

00:24:49.980 which I mean,

00:24:50.760 like I said,

00:24:51.180 you can look at my work.

00:24:52.020 That's not the case.

00:24:53.760 Yes.

00:24:54.220 The question that you pose

00:24:55.340 is a question that,

00:24:56.660 believe me,

00:24:57.020 I've asked myself

00:24:57.760 a million times

00:24:58.600 and I've done

00:24:59.520 my due diligence

00:25:00.200 trying to investigate.

00:25:02.080 The phrase that I used,

00:25:03.400 I mean,

00:25:03.600 I went live from the airport

00:25:04.920 like 30 minutes

00:25:05.900 after this meeting

00:25:06.560 because I had to fly

00:25:07.260 back home to my kids

00:25:08.340 and I wanted people

00:25:09.240 to understand exactly

00:25:10.180 what had happened.

00:25:11.520 The only part of the story

00:25:12.800 that I didn't tell that day

00:25:13.740 was the part about

00:25:14.480 Pam Bondi bragging

00:25:15.920 about making that cover sheet

00:25:17.040 and maybe I should have told

00:25:17.840 that right then and there

00:25:19.340 because maybe that would

00:25:20.040 have made it obvious

00:25:20.620 that Pam Bondi

00:25:21.240 should have been fired

00:25:21.820 on the spot

00:25:22.280 for what she did.

00:25:23.360 The only explanation

00:25:24.480 that I can think of

00:25:26.480 and this is an explanation

00:25:27.500 that is based on

00:25:28.860 a pattern of Pam Bondi's behavior

00:25:30.580 is that she wasn't

00:25:31.780 telling the truth.

00:25:32.480 Not necessarily

00:25:33.480 because she's corrupt

00:25:34.760 and trying to hide

00:25:35.680 the contents of the Epstein files

00:25:37.260 but because she's click thirsty

00:25:39.240 because she was more interested

00:25:40.660 in making these big promises

00:25:42.640 on Fox News

00:25:43.560 being a Fox News star

00:25:44.780 and a mega champion

00:25:45.580 and she got out

00:25:46.860 over her skis

00:25:47.860 promising things

00:25:49.240 that she hadn't verified

00:25:50.460 and that's the root

00:25:51.960 of this week.

00:25:52.960 I said,

00:25:53.260 listen,

00:25:53.500 if I'm President Trump,

00:25:54.620 I am looking

00:25:56.080 at what Attorney General

00:25:57.160 Pam Bondi

00:25:57.700 has done to the base.

00:25:59.420 He has lost

00:26:00.100 his administration

00:26:01.000 even though he had

00:26:01.840 nothing to do with this.

00:26:03.160 His administration

00:26:03.840 has lost a tremendous

00:26:04.940 amount of goodwill

00:26:05.880 with voters

00:26:06.540 because people care

00:26:08.100 viscerally about

00:26:09.080 the Epstein files.

00:26:10.340 They care deeply

00:26:11.160 about this

00:26:11.840 partially because

00:26:13.180 these are grisly crimes

00:26:14.440 that were committed

00:26:15.020 against children

00:26:16.260 but also because

00:26:17.640 this represents justice.

00:26:19.700 We have been harmed

00:26:21.340 so many times

00:26:22.680 by the deep state

00:26:23.420 whether it's parents

00:26:24.460 being told we're terrorists

00:26:25.840 because we didn't want

00:26:26.640 trans ideology

00:26:27.780 and critical race theory

00:26:28.860 being indoctrinated

00:26:29.640 into our children

00:26:30.360 whether it's being censored

00:26:32.160 on social media

00:26:33.080 or arrested

00:26:33.840 outside of the Capitol

00:26:34.800 because we had questions

00:26:35.940 about the 2020 election

00:26:37.240 whether it's pushing back

00:26:39.120 against COVID vaccine mandates

00:26:40.480 we have been vilified

00:26:42.540 and demonized

00:26:43.420 and targeted

00:26:44.060 and subject to violence

00:26:45.420 and we voted

00:26:46.740 for President Trump

00:26:47.500 because he promised justice.

00:26:49.700 Justice does not mean

00:26:51.060 memory holing

00:26:52.280 all of these bad things

00:26:53.800 this harm

00:26:54.320 that was inflicted on us.

00:26:55.460 It means

00:26:56.060 finding the people

00:26:57.280 who committed the crimes

00:26:58.360 charging them

00:26:59.520 with those crimes

00:27:00.320 holding them accountable

00:27:02.140 in a court of law

00:27:02.900 and sending them to prison

00:27:04.000 for what they've done

00:27:04.900 and people feel stung

00:27:06.680 because what they

00:27:07.600 when they

00:27:08.040 when they see

00:27:08.840 what Pam Bondi said

00:27:09.960 in that Department of Justice memo

00:27:11.200 on Sunday

00:27:11.780 she is telling us

00:27:13.360 ignore the evidence

00:27:14.940 the anomalies

00:27:15.880 the suspicious

00:27:16.660 fishy things

00:27:17.800 surrounding

00:27:18.720 Epstein's operation

00:27:20.340 and his person

00:27:21.260 and his connections

00:27:21.980 and his death

00:27:22.940 and instead believe me

00:27:25.180 without evidence

00:27:26.880 she's telling us

00:27:27.540 to ignore

00:27:27.920 what's before our very eyes

00:27:29.140 and believe her instead

00:27:30.380 with no evidence

00:27:31.140 and Megan

00:27:31.900 there is not

00:27:32.960 a politician

00:27:33.820 in this world

00:27:35.600 that you should extend

00:27:36.700 that amount

00:27:37.260 of blind faith towards

00:27:38.780 so

00:27:39.440 well

00:27:39.900 she's put us

00:27:40.900 in a position

00:27:41.460 of having to decide

00:27:42.880 which of her statements

00:27:44.440 we're going to credit

00:27:45.260 I mean

00:27:45.940 which one

00:27:46.440 should we put the faith in

00:27:47.420 because you know

00:27:48.380 we kind of put the faith

00:27:49.300 in the statement

00:27:49.980 from February 21st

00:27:52.820 and then the statement

00:27:53.820 she followed up with

00:27:54.560 on February 26th

00:27:56.000 and then the statement

00:27:57.020 she followed up with

00:27:57.780 on March 3rd

00:27:59.220 and then the statement

00:28:00.480 she followed up with

00:28:01.380 on May 7th

00:28:02.580 all of which

00:28:03.520 kept spinning this tale

00:28:05.240 of I've got the goods

00:28:07.280 I'm getting even more goods

00:28:09.160 you're going to see the goods

00:28:10.740 this man's a filthy animal

00:28:12.460 and you're not even going to believe

00:28:14.340 what I've seen

00:28:15.880 that she just seeded

00:28:17.380 that trail

00:28:18.320 ever since she took office

00:28:20.600 and then instead of coming out

00:28:22.660 on camera

00:28:23.440 Sunday night or Monday

00:28:25.440 when she purportedly realized

00:28:27.460 there was absolutely

00:28:28.700 no there there

00:28:29.660 other than the child pornography

00:28:31.500 found on his computer

00:28:33.160 not involving third parties

00:28:35.620 like other than

00:28:36.500 you know

00:28:36.900 Jeffrey Epstein's predilection

00:28:38.500 of you know

00:28:39.280 disgusting random porn

00:28:40.640 and saying

00:28:42.740 I got it wrong

00:28:43.980 I over promised

00:28:45.760 and I'm under delivering

00:28:47.300 and I'm sorry

00:28:48.100 she leaked to Axios

00:28:51.340 a two page unsigned memo

00:28:53.080 with absolutely no explanation

00:28:55.000 none whatsoever

00:28:56.120 and literally thinks

00:28:57.900 that's enough

00:28:58.560 and then unfortunately

00:29:00.140 we had the cabinet meeting

00:29:01.660 where Trump

00:29:02.480 seemed fine with all of that

00:29:04.660 where he kind of

00:29:05.580 stepped in

00:29:06.380 was like

00:29:07.060 why are we still talking

00:29:08.080 about this thing

00:29:08.800 that I talked about

00:29:09.720 repeatedly on the campaign trail

00:29:11.300 and did tell you

00:29:12.820 was an issue

00:29:13.740 that we needed to get

00:29:14.500 to the bottom of

00:29:15.160 and that I would

00:29:15.920 and then elevated

00:29:18.020 two guys

00:29:19.300 who talked about it

00:29:20.580 all the time

00:29:21.320 on their shows

00:29:22.400 Kash Patel

00:29:23.100 and Dan Bongino

00:29:23.760 to run the FBI

00:29:24.920 the very organization

00:29:26.260 that was at the heart

00:29:27.100 of the investigation

00:29:28.220 and another person

00:29:29.500 Pam Bondi

00:29:30.040 who once I put in the office

00:29:31.100 has been talking about it

00:29:32.120 every other week

00:29:33.140 and now looks at us

00:29:34.840 and says

00:29:35.040 why would you still

00:29:36.360 be interested in this

00:29:37.120 do you even want

00:29:37.600 to answer that question

00:29:38.440 and Pam Bondi

00:29:39.820 thinks she's putting it

00:29:40.640 under the rug

00:29:41.200 by being like

00:29:41.840 oh there's a missing

00:29:43.060 minute of the tape

00:29:43.940 but that's just because

00:29:44.800 they always change

00:29:45.680 over at one minute

00:29:46.880 before midnight

00:29:47.480 and we lose a minute

00:29:48.580 of tape

00:29:48.980 which everybody was like

00:29:50.080 what

00:29:50.520 and also

00:29:52.540 when I said

00:29:53.400 client list is on my desk

00:29:54.520 I really just meant file

00:29:55.520 by

00:29:55.960 it's just been

00:29:56.780 totally insufficient

00:29:57.760 Liz

00:29:58.080 totally insufficient

00:29:58.940 and no sane human being

00:30:01.060 would at this point

00:30:01.620 be saying

00:30:02.100 oh okay

00:30:02.840 I have no more questions

00:30:03.760 it's all answered for me

00:30:04.980 exactly

00:30:06.740 and listen

00:30:07.260 President Trump

00:30:08.140 is smart

00:30:08.700 he's strategic

00:30:09.460 he probably has

00:30:11.000 a finger on the pulse

00:30:11.780 of his base

00:30:12.240 better than any politician

00:30:13.300 that I've ever experienced

00:30:14.560 in my lifetime

00:30:15.240 I do think he's

00:30:16.620 misreading his base

00:30:17.660 on this one

00:30:18.260 there's a story

00:30:19.400 actually that

00:30:20.160 country singer

00:30:21.720 John Rich tells

00:30:22.540 about having dinner

00:30:23.220 with Trump

00:30:23.700 and during this dinner

00:30:25.200 Trump turns to him

00:30:26.100 and says

00:30:26.560 why do people

00:30:27.600 boo at my rallies

00:30:28.840 when I talk about

00:30:29.480 the COVID vaccine

00:30:30.320 and then President Trump

00:30:31.560 sat there

00:30:31.980 and he listened

00:30:32.520 to John Rich's answer

00:30:34.040 and John Rich said

00:30:35.280 because Mr. President

00:30:36.320 people have been hurt

00:30:37.880 by the jab

00:30:38.840 and President Trump

00:30:40.360 listened to what

00:30:41.640 John Rich said

00:30:42.380 and I think that

00:30:43.140 this is one of those moments

00:30:44.420 that President Trump

00:30:45.800 should listen to his base

00:30:47.420 because people

00:30:48.180 have been hurt

00:30:49.060 by the deep state

00:30:50.680 and that's what

00:30:51.460 people are associating

00:30:52.640 the Epstein files

00:30:53.640 and the indications

00:30:54.760 that there may have been

00:30:55.880 a government cover-up

00:30:57.060 or at least

00:30:57.680 a lack of transparency

00:30:58.760 and a lack of honesty

00:30:59.800 when communicating

00:31:01.180 all of this to us

00:31:02.440 that's what people

00:31:03.380 associate this with

00:31:04.540 they associate it

00:31:05.440 with the fact

00:31:05.980 that they want justice

00:31:07.140 for COVID

00:31:07.640 they want justice

00:31:08.720 for Russiagate

00:31:09.400 they want justice

00:31:10.180 for the phony

00:31:10.700 Ukraine impeachment

00:31:11.420 they want justice

00:31:12.260 for the lawfare

00:31:13.000 against President Trump

00:31:13.900 they want justice

00:31:14.880 for the assassination

00:31:15.560 attempts

00:31:16.100 they want justice

00:31:16.900 for the rigging

00:31:17.560 of election processes

00:31:18.600 they want justice

00:31:19.700 for Black Lives Matter

00:31:20.640 riots

00:31:21.000 they want justice

00:31:22.440 and there's a phrase

00:31:23.320 that we use often

00:31:24.240 on the Liz Wheeler show

00:31:25.140 we say we want

00:31:26.080 perp walks

00:31:27.100 and jumpsuits

00:31:27.940 and not because

00:31:28.640 we're vindictive

00:31:29.300 not because we're

00:31:29.780 trying to exact

00:31:30.400 some kind of revenge

00:31:31.200 or target our

00:31:31.780 political enemies

00:31:32.460 but because

00:31:33.300 that represents

00:31:34.780 justice

00:31:35.760 justice

00:31:36.640 is actual

00:31:37.660 accountability

00:31:38.240 using our

00:31:39.320 justice system

00:31:40.200 to hold these people

00:31:42.000 who committed crimes

00:31:42.720 accountable

00:31:43.180 and President Trump

00:31:44.580 may be right

00:31:45.180 Epstein a creep

00:31:46.280 why are people

00:31:46.800 talking about him

00:31:47.660 well it's not so much

00:31:49.000 that people care

00:31:49.720 about Epstein the person

00:31:50.840 or Epstein the creep

00:31:51.920 it's that they associate

00:31:53.180 the Epstein files

00:31:54.740 and the government's

00:31:56.860 Attorney General

00:31:57.340 Pam Bondi's

00:31:58.100 mishandling

00:31:58.980 and dishonest

00:32:00.320 communication

00:32:00.880 about this

00:32:01.860 with this

00:32:03.000 open-ended question

00:32:03.880 of are we actually

00:32:05.060 going to see justice

00:32:06.340 for these egregious

00:32:07.360 wrongdoings

00:32:08.060 like we were promised

00:32:09.320 what was your

00:32:11.720 own personal

00:32:12.720 interaction

00:32:13.320 like that day

00:32:14.700 when you

00:32:15.160 when you saw

00:32:15.900 Pam Bondi

00:32:16.480 I'm sure you spent

00:32:17.060 some time with her

00:32:17.700 like what

00:32:18.160 how did she seem

00:32:19.640 to you

00:32:20.080 um

00:32:22.260 she was not

00:32:23.100 exactly

00:32:23.440 well

00:32:23.720 let's just say this

00:32:25.080 in the days leading

00:32:25.840 up to that meeting

00:32:27.240 this was during the time

00:32:28.120 that President Trump

00:32:28.680 was nominating

00:32:29.280 his different

00:32:29.860 cabinet secretaries

00:32:31.200 in the upper echelon

00:32:32.400 of his administration

00:32:33.100 I had made a list

00:32:34.440 of who I thought

00:32:35.340 was the best pick

00:32:36.480 and you know

00:32:37.260 all the way down

00:32:38.020 to who I thought

00:32:38.520 were the worst picks

00:32:39.200 and Pam Bondi

00:32:39.740 was towards the bottom

00:32:40.980 of that list

00:32:41.600 because I didn't think

00:32:42.540 that she had the experience

00:32:43.880 to deal with the swamp

00:32:44.960 I didn't think

00:32:45.440 that she had

00:32:45.900 a proven track record

00:32:47.440 of outsmarting the swamp

00:32:48.740 I think she had shown

00:32:50.100 incredible loyalty

00:32:50.980 to President Trump

00:32:51.780 during his impeachment

00:32:52.780 proceedings

00:32:53.240 she'd been one of his

00:32:54.320 attorneys I believe

00:32:55.180 um

00:32:56.000 and that was essentially

00:32:57.420 the reason it appeared

00:32:59.240 that Trump picked her

00:33:00.580 so I didn't go in there

00:33:02.060 I went in there open-minded

00:33:02.980 but I didn't go in there

00:33:03.800 thinking oh my gosh

00:33:04.640 this is going to be

00:33:05.140 the coolest meeting

00:33:05.740 of all the meetings

00:33:06.420 uh

00:33:06.980 not that I was aware

00:33:07.760 of who we were going

00:33:08.320 to be meeting with

00:33:08.820 in the first place

00:33:09.600 um

00:33:10.380 I actually was

00:33:11.100 I walked next to her

00:33:12.340 when we went from

00:33:13.240 the cabinet secretary room

00:33:16.120 the meeting room

00:33:17.060 across the hall

00:33:17.620 to the Oval Office

00:33:18.180 I was the one

00:33:18.820 who happened to walk

00:33:19.920 next to Pam Bondi

00:33:20.920 and you know

00:33:21.940 she was talking to me

00:33:22.600 a lot about

00:33:23.100 what it had been like

00:33:23.900 in the Department of Justice

00:33:24.960 in the two

00:33:25.340 I think it had been

00:33:25.860 two weeks

00:33:26.340 since she had

00:33:26.920 taken the oath of office

00:33:28.120 and she said

00:33:28.520 she was tired

00:33:29.240 she hadn't done

00:33:29.740 a lot of sleeping

00:33:30.440 and she did a lot

00:33:31.900 of complaining

00:33:32.340 about Congresswoman

00:33:33.300 Anna Paulina Luna

00:33:34.260 to me

00:33:34.740 because Congresswoman Luna

00:33:36.440 had been asking

00:33:37.080 a lot of questions

00:33:37.720 about hey

00:33:38.140 where are these files

00:33:38.880 that were promised

00:33:39.460 how come I

00:33:40.620 as part of the

00:33:41.220 Oversight Committee

00:33:41.780 in Congress

00:33:42.260 am being excluded

00:33:43.180 from the Department

00:33:44.260 of Justice's

00:33:45.160 effort to release these

00:33:47.000 and Pam Bondi

00:33:48.100 did a lot of complaining

00:33:48.920 about how

00:33:49.520 Congresswoman Luna

00:33:50.120 just didn't understand

00:33:51.020 how this worked

00:33:51.720 and these things

00:33:52.140 take time

00:33:52.760 and didn't she

00:33:53.180 understand how busy

00:33:53.880 she was

00:33:54.460 and I have to say

00:33:55.600 I was a little

00:33:56.580 off put by that

00:33:57.160 I was just like

00:33:57.500 oh okay

00:33:58.220 that's what you're

00:33:58.620 focusing on

00:33:59.160 even though you have

00:33:59.880 the Justice Department

00:34:01.240 to run

00:34:01.700 then when we were

00:34:02.880 in the Oval Office

00:34:03.540 President Trump

00:34:04.180 is introducing us

00:34:04.960 there were probably

00:34:05.340 20 other people

00:34:06.460 in the Oval Office

00:34:07.160 at the same time

00:34:07.900 in addition to us

00:34:09.000 and he's

00:34:10.160 you know

00:34:10.340 he's pointing people out

00:34:11.260 he's like

00:34:11.560 yeah this is Stephen Miller

00:34:12.340 he's doing a great job

00:34:13.260 oh this is a hero

00:34:14.000 Tom Holman

00:34:14.660 he's doing a great job

00:34:16.080 and he's pointing out

00:34:16.660 different people

00:34:17.260 and then I hear

00:34:18.340 Attorney General

00:34:18.900 Pam Bondi's voice

00:34:19.680 from the back of the room

00:34:20.400 she was sitting

00:34:20.820 on one of the sofas

00:34:21.480 she goes

00:34:21.860 what about me

00:34:23.120 Mr. President

00:34:23.880 and to be perfectly

00:34:26.420 Frank here

00:34:27.100 the thought that went

00:34:28.160 through my mind

00:34:28.860 was wow

00:34:29.540 that was a real

00:34:30.140 pick me girl comment

00:34:31.120 I did not think

00:34:32.320 that that was

00:34:33.000 that that was

00:34:33.900 a good reflection

00:34:35.660 on the strength

00:34:36.280 of her character

00:34:36.860 now you can say

00:34:37.440 okay that's just a comment

00:34:38.300 does that actually reflect

00:34:39.280 in her ability

00:34:39.840 at the Department of Justice

00:34:40.660 or not

00:34:41.140 I don't know

00:34:42.100 I'll let you decide

00:34:43.060 but

00:34:43.900 maybe it demonstrates

00:34:46.220 her effort

00:34:47.280 or her desire

00:34:48.340 to be

00:34:49.740 a mega champion

00:34:50.840 and to be

00:34:51.600 a Fox News star

00:34:52.600 because she was

00:34:53.380 demonstrating again

00:34:54.360 a pattern of

00:34:55.060 wanting attention

00:34:55.780 and he did not

00:34:58.020 give her the attention

00:34:58.860 when he tweeted out

00:34:59.720 about Dan and Cash

00:35:01.340 last week

00:35:02.320 when they came under fire

00:35:03.240 was it as recently

00:35:04.420 as Monday

00:35:04.900 I can't remember

00:35:05.620 yeah it was after

00:35:07.000 it was after the memo

00:35:07.980 it was after the release

00:35:08.920 of the memo

00:35:09.240 it had to be

00:35:09.760 because that's when

00:35:10.140 they were getting pummeled

00:35:10.940 and he sent out

00:35:11.800 a complimentary tweet

00:35:12.840 about Cash Patel

00:35:13.580 and Dan Bongino

00:35:14.260 and notably said

00:35:15.060 nothing about Pam Bondi

00:35:16.200 so I do wonder

00:35:17.960 what the president

00:35:19.080 thinks about all this

00:35:20.180 and what the president knows

00:35:21.240 I haven't yet figured out

00:35:23.020 whether this is

00:35:24.120 a Trump directive thing

00:35:25.180 like we're moving on

00:35:26.060 from Epstein

00:35:26.580 for reasons we don't understand

00:35:27.900 whether they're intel reasons

00:35:29.420 or other reasons

00:35:30.220 but I definitely think

00:35:31.480 if the president said

00:35:32.560 to these three

00:35:33.180 we're done with Epstein

00:35:34.220 it would explain

00:35:35.080 all the behavior

00:35:36.060 of this past week

00:35:37.100 not Pam Bondi's behavior

00:35:38.740 prior

00:35:39.540 because that

00:35:40.720 I do see a real split here

00:35:42.060 and I don't mean to just side

00:35:43.040 with Bongino in this

00:35:44.820 because I care about him

00:35:46.060 and he's a friend

00:35:46.560 I don't know Cash Patel at all

00:35:47.940 I mean what

00:35:48.400 if this is the logic

00:35:49.380 I'd throw anybody

00:35:49.980 I don't know

00:35:50.660 that well under the bus

00:35:51.660 then he should be

00:35:52.400 under the bus too

00:35:53.040 but what I've seen

00:35:54.120 since the beginning

00:35:54.700 of the administration

00:35:55.180 is those two guys

00:35:56.540 who were very focused

00:35:58.120 on Epstein prior

00:35:58.800 to taking the roles

00:35:59.560 have said nothing

00:36:00.520 they have said

00:36:01.400 they have not done

00:36:02.300 the little breadcrumb

00:36:03.220 trail

00:36:03.560 from the moment

00:36:06.740 of taking office

00:36:07.380 they've said nothing

00:36:08.460 and the first thing

00:36:09.600 we saw from them

00:36:10.220 was on Fox and Friends

00:36:11.100 where we were all shocked

00:36:11.980 to hear them saying

00:36:13.360 he killed himself

00:36:14.240 I mean that's just

00:36:15.060 what the evidence is

00:36:15.960 and if you have something

00:36:16.840 to prove me wrong

00:36:17.720 show me

00:36:18.200 but I'm telling you

00:36:19.320 you're gonna see

00:36:19.740 some we saw Cash

00:36:20.440 on Joe Rogan

00:36:21.040 being like

00:36:21.440 if I had evidence

00:36:22.400 of him with all these

00:36:23.240 you know little girls

00:36:24.280 or if I had a third parties

00:36:25.260 with young girls

00:36:26.060 don't you think

00:36:26.500 I'd show that to you

00:36:27.320 and Rogan seemed

00:36:28.340 to be saying

00:36:28.780 so you're

00:36:30.000 what you're saying

00:36:30.480 is you don't have it

00:36:31.360 and Cash is basically

00:36:32.100 just saying

00:36:32.500 if I have it

00:36:33.300 you'll see it

00:36:33.940 and we haven't seen it

00:36:35.080 so they didn't do

00:36:36.120 what she did

00:36:36.800 and that I've

00:36:38.100 you know

00:36:38.880 over the course

00:36:39.280 of the past four days

00:36:39.940 gotten to where you

00:36:40.640 you I think are

00:36:41.660 which is

00:36:42.140 I think she was

00:36:44.160 thirsty for attention

00:36:45.260 I think she was

00:36:46.360 enjoying the hits

00:36:48.140 on Fox

00:36:49.040 on Hannity

00:36:50.260 on Waters

00:36:51.540 in the middle of the day

00:36:53.180 with John Roberts

00:36:54.000 and saying like

00:36:54.700 I've got all the answers

00:36:56.020 on Epstein

00:36:56.560 I've got all the juicy dish

00:36:58.380 and I'll be the one

00:36:59.580 to give it to you

00:37:00.380 until she either

00:37:01.580 found out

00:37:02.420 that wasn't true

00:37:03.680 and realized

00:37:05.160 this is why

00:37:05.820 attorneys general

00:37:06.420 don't talk like this

00:37:07.640 ever

00:37:08.220 about their ongoing

00:37:09.420 investigations

00:37:10.020 ever

00:37:10.560 you almost never hear

00:37:11.880 from attorney general

00:37:12.620 it's the one person

00:37:13.620 in any administration

00:37:14.580 Republican or Democrat

00:37:15.760 who you really can't get

00:37:17.480 there's only so much

00:37:18.600 transparency

00:37:19.180 you're supposed to get

00:37:20.180 from an attorney general

00:37:21.340 given the way

00:37:21.920 criminal investigations work

00:37:23.520 and then realize

00:37:25.360 like she had an

00:37:25.820 oh shit moment

00:37:26.620 of she's humiliated herself

00:37:28.080 and the administration

00:37:29.440 or again

00:37:31.180 I don't know

00:37:31.680 something else

00:37:32.120 or it was real

00:37:33.220 in the first place

00:37:33.880 and now she's doing

00:37:34.900 the lying

00:37:35.320 this I don't

00:37:36.600 I don't know

00:37:37.020 the truth on

00:37:37.580 no and I think

00:37:39.200 I think there's

00:37:39.960 a couple of things

00:37:40.880 I'm also friends

00:37:42.940 with Dan Bongino

00:37:43.620 and I can say

00:37:44.740 with confidence

00:37:45.540 that he is one

00:37:46.280 of the good guys

00:37:47.120 I actually appreciate

00:37:48.400 that he has said

00:37:49.340 so openly

00:37:49.920 listen this is not

00:37:50.840 about trust

00:37:51.520 you don't believe

00:37:52.240 something just because

00:37:52.960 you trust me

00:37:53.580 you wait for the evidence

00:37:54.640 and I think that

00:37:55.500 we should be focusing

00:37:56.300 a lot on that comment

00:37:57.780 I think that that's

00:37:58.760 not only an incredibly

00:37:59.560 humble comment

00:38:00.360 and probably a very

00:38:01.320 difficult comment

00:38:02.040 for someone who's

00:38:02.660 used to being able

00:38:03.480 to set the record

00:38:04.160 straight

00:38:04.540 I think there's

00:38:05.440 a lot more to that

00:38:06.320 comment that meets

00:38:07.120 the eye

00:38:07.540 I also don't know

00:38:08.880 Kash Patel personally

00:38:09.920 I liked his book

00:38:11.360 I like what he said

00:38:12.360 we have to remember

00:38:13.260 though that his boss

00:38:14.380 is Attorney General

00:38:15.140 Pam Bondi

00:38:15.840 so there's only so much

00:38:17.600 that you can do

00:38:18.340 there's only so much

00:38:19.120 that you can do

00:38:19.540 in those positions

00:38:20.120 if your boss

00:38:20.760 is giving you a directive

00:38:21.700 or to contradict

00:38:22.620 your boss publicly

00:38:23.540 so maybe that's me

00:38:24.860 extending too much

00:38:25.560 benefit of the doubt

00:38:26.280 there but I think

00:38:26.980 that's a possible

00:38:27.640 explanation

00:38:28.240 I do think

00:38:29.640 that the base

00:38:30.780 President Trump's

00:38:31.580 voter base

00:38:32.200 would have been

00:38:33.440 or would have

00:38:33.860 accepted more readily

00:38:35.360 just an honest

00:38:36.700 an honest analysis

00:38:38.060 when Dan Bongino

00:38:39.480 and Kash Patel

00:38:40.040 took over the FBI

00:38:41.040 I mean I know

00:38:42.140 a lot of people

00:38:42.760 at the upper echelons

00:38:43.640 of the FBI

00:38:44.200 and the Department

00:38:45.480 of Justice now

00:38:46.300 and I was told

00:38:47.740 on good authority

00:38:48.620 that it's like

00:38:49.080 a thermonuclear bomb

00:38:50.220 was set off in there

00:38:50.980 that they walk in

00:38:51.840 and they don't even

00:38:52.680 know where the locks are

00:38:53.760 let alone having the keys

00:38:54.920 to unlock those locks

00:38:56.220 they're being undermined

00:38:57.720 they are

00:38:58.460 and there's been

00:38:59.320 evidence destruction

00:39:00.460 there's been

00:39:01.060 the hiding of evidence

00:39:03.900 so if these individuals

00:39:05.600 Pam Bondi

00:39:06.420 is the one

00:39:06.860 that I think is

00:39:07.560 the buck stops

00:39:08.820 with Pam Bondi

00:39:09.340 she's the one

00:39:09.900 directing this narrative

00:39:10.960 she could have said

00:39:12.000 listen

00:39:12.300 we got in here

00:39:13.740 and the Epstein files

00:39:14.780 are empty

00:39:15.220 we don't know why

00:39:16.500 we don't know

00:39:17.200 if it was destroyed

00:39:18.000 or hidden

00:39:18.540 or if the investigation

00:39:19.360 was done negligently

00:39:20.440 we don't know

00:39:20.960 whether there was

00:39:21.380 a cover up

00:39:21.900 but we do want

00:39:22.880 to be honest with you

00:39:23.680 and say

00:39:24.020 no we can't produce

00:39:25.160 the dirt

00:39:25.640 that you expected

00:39:26.280 because we don't have it

00:39:28.060 Megan that's very different

00:39:29.940 than giving us

00:39:31.040 this definitive statement

00:39:32.220 like none of these

00:39:33.300 things are true

00:39:33.860 a client list

00:39:34.560 doesn't exist

00:39:35.300 he definitively

00:39:36.340 killed himself

00:39:37.020 what

00:39:38.120 it's almost like

00:39:39.100 you guys are idiots

00:39:39.860 for thinking otherwise

00:39:40.760 like there's a tonality

00:39:42.020 in there

00:39:42.400 that it's like

00:39:43.140 what kind of an idiot

00:39:45.060 would be pursuing this

00:39:46.000 at this point

00:39:46.440 the other piece is

00:39:47.580 that's really been

00:39:48.180 irritating me

00:39:48.960 is how she keeps

00:39:50.440 being like

00:39:51.100 okay we found

00:39:53.060 these tens of

00:39:54.340 thousands of pictures

00:39:55.380 of child sexual

00:39:56.520 assault material

00:39:57.300 and no one is ever

00:39:58.740 gonna see that

00:39:59.420 no one's getting

00:40:00.120 as if that is

00:40:01.620 what anybody

00:40:02.360 wants to see

00:40:03.200 like she's trying

00:40:04.540 to like diminish

00:40:05.980 the demands

00:40:06.880 for more information

00:40:07.700 by pretending

00:40:08.640 what people want

00:40:10.180 is to see

00:40:11.160 the child pornography

00:40:12.640 that Jeffrey Epstein

00:40:13.880 enjoyed looking at

00:40:15.000 it's such a straw man

00:40:16.620 no no one

00:40:17.920 would ever expect

00:40:19.160 the DOJ

00:40:19.900 or want

00:40:20.780 the DOJ

00:40:21.620 to release that

00:40:22.800 she's just

00:40:23.940 pretending

00:40:24.580 that like

00:40:25.500 the demands

00:40:26.500 on her

00:40:26.920 are so unreasonable

00:40:28.000 because that's

00:40:29.320 what these

00:40:29.660 so-called influencers

00:40:30.700 seem to be wanting

00:40:31.640 from her

00:40:32.040 that's not it at all

00:40:32.960 she she said

00:40:34.340 there was a whole

00:40:35.160 treasure trove

00:40:36.000 of documents

00:40:36.580 before she even

00:40:38.020 knew apparently

00:40:38.880 that there were

00:40:39.720 all these pictures

00:40:40.460 of child sexuals

00:40:41.600 she was saying

00:40:42.480 there's a ton

00:40:42.920 of other stuff

00:40:43.420 that you're gonna get

00:40:44.100 before it appears

00:40:45.400 even Pam Bondi

00:40:46.420 understood

00:40:46.800 that Epstein

00:40:47.860 had troves

00:40:48.700 of child pornography

00:40:49.740 on his computer

00:40:50.440 yeah and by the way

00:40:52.240 that post

00:40:53.040 that I

00:40:53.820 it was a long post

00:40:54.960 it was like

00:40:55.280 as long as an op-ed

00:40:56.140 that I posted

00:40:56.720 I think it was

00:40:57.620 later that same day

00:40:59.020 I think I wrote it

00:40:59.640 like rage texting

00:41:01.040 it on the airplane

00:41:01.640 on my on my flight home

00:41:02.860 posted it when I landed

00:41:04.020 that day in February

00:41:05.780 after the White House

00:41:06.580 when I was talking about

00:41:07.360 this is the real story

00:41:08.380 like understand the context

00:41:09.740 of everything that happened

00:41:10.820 the way that I described

00:41:12.660 what was expected

00:41:14.800 from the SDNY

00:41:16.400 I phrased

00:41:17.380 very carefully

00:41:18.440 because I used

00:41:19.640 only phrases

00:41:20.380 that had been used

00:41:21.520 to me that day

00:41:23.140 meaning I don't

00:41:24.160 I don't have the post

00:41:24.800 up in front of me

00:41:25.320 but if I said photos

00:41:26.260 it's because Pam Bondi

00:41:27.340 said photos

00:41:27.860 if I said videos

00:41:28.900 it's because Pam Bondi

00:41:30.000 said videos

00:41:30.480 I didn't list

00:41:31.560 everything that everyone

00:41:32.700 wanted to see

00:41:33.300 and just said

00:41:33.840 and just recklessly said

00:41:35.180 oh it's in that

00:41:35.840 I only listed

00:41:37.220 the things

00:41:38.000 that the SDNY

00:41:38.720 was supposed to be

00:41:39.340 in possession of

00:41:39.880 because that's what

00:41:40.560 I was told by Pam Bondi

00:41:41.760 who hadn't seen it

00:41:42.980 that that's what the SDNY

00:41:44.020 was going to deliver to her

00:41:45.140 yes

00:41:46.380 okay wait

00:41:46.800 I'm looking at this post now

00:41:47.820 this is you

00:41:49.660 on February 27th

00:41:51.860 saying

00:41:52.140 yeah that's the same day

00:41:52.920 okay

00:41:54.280 Bondi promised to release

00:41:55.440 the documents

00:41:56.280 you're saying that

00:41:57.540 Bondi

00:41:58.420 the FBI

00:41:59.020 was told to deliver

00:42:00.020 the files to Pam Bondi

00:42:00.920 they did

00:42:01.300 about 200 pages

00:42:02.240 Bondi smelled a rap

00:42:03.200 because there was nothing

00:42:03.860 juicy in the 200 pages

00:42:05.180 just flight logs

00:42:06.320 and a Rolodex

00:42:07.240 of phone numbers

00:42:07.780 no smoking gun

00:42:08.560 still Bondi promised

00:42:09.700 to release the documents

00:42:10.740 so she prepared

00:42:11.280 a binder of them

00:42:11.960 then last night

00:42:12.560 a whistleblower

00:42:13.120 contacted Bondi

00:42:13.980 and revealed that

00:42:14.880 the SDNY

00:42:15.420 was hiding potentially

00:42:16.360 thousands of Epstein files

00:42:18.760 defying Bondi's order

00:42:19.820 to give them all to her

00:42:20.680 we're talking recordings

00:42:22.220 evidence

00:42:23.240 etc

00:42:23.800 the juicy stuff

00:42:25.080 names

00:42:25.820 yeah

00:42:26.100 these swamp creatures

00:42:27.200 at SDNY

00:42:27.840 deceive Bondi

00:42:28.720 cash and you'll be outraged

00:42:29.760 blah blah blah

00:42:30.140 so that's what you're

00:42:30.980 talking about

00:42:31.480 yeah

00:42:31.920 so it's

00:42:32.920 she's going to release

00:42:34.080 these files

00:42:35.000 it's Epstein files

00:42:36.460 it's recordings

00:42:38.420 evidence

00:42:39.740 and names

00:42:40.920 that's the thing that

00:42:42.100 you know

00:42:42.960 and she did say

00:42:44.100 yes to client list

00:42:45.240 she can say

00:42:45.820 now all she wants

00:42:46.860 she meant the Epstein

00:42:48.120 file was on her desk

00:42:49.880 John Roberts

00:42:50.880 very clearly asked

00:42:51.920 her client list

00:42:53.360 that's what the

00:42:53.980 entire question

00:42:54.740 was about

00:42:55.320 it was short

00:42:56.040 it was easy

00:42:56.780 to understand

00:42:57.280 I'll play it

00:42:57.840 just to remind folks

00:42:58.660 but it wasn't ambiguous

00:42:59.900 and she's a lawyer

00:43:01.120 and trust me

00:43:01.760 as lawyers

00:43:02.140 we know

00:43:03.040 we know

00:43:03.740 how to answer

00:43:05.140 direct questions

00:43:05.820 and we know

00:43:06.220 when we need to

00:43:06.820 obfuscate

00:43:07.600 and if you wanted

00:43:08.420 to obfuscate

00:43:09.040 about a client list

00:43:09.740 you would say

00:43:10.280 the file is on my desk

00:43:12.140 right now

00:43:12.960 but she didn't do that

00:43:14.180 here's what happened

00:43:14.820 in Sot One

00:43:15.340 on February 21st

00:43:16.740 DOJ may be releasing

00:43:19.320 the list of

00:43:20.140 Jeffrey Epstein's clients

00:43:21.580 will that really happen

00:43:22.880 it's sitting on my desk

00:43:24.740 right now

00:43:25.280 to review

00:43:26.000 that's been a directive

00:43:27.620 by President Trump

00:43:29.040 I'm reviewing that

00:43:29.900 I'm reviewing

00:43:30.500 JFK files

00:43:31.740 MLK files

00:43:32.800 that's all

00:43:33.740 in the process

00:43:34.340 of being reviewed

00:43:35.000 because that was done

00:43:35.900 at the directive

00:43:36.380 of the president

00:43:37.020 from all of these agencies

00:43:38.340 so have you seen

00:43:39.320 anything there

00:43:39.900 you said

00:43:40.540 oh my gosh

00:43:41.280 not yet

00:43:43.120 and I would submit

00:43:46.340 to you

00:43:46.760 that adding on

00:43:47.860 the MLK

00:43:48.740 and the JFK files

00:43:50.040 was a result

00:43:51.520 of nerves

00:43:52.080 in being dishonest

00:43:53.880 I would submit

00:43:54.880 to you

00:43:55.300 that's how it looks

00:43:56.720 to me

00:43:57.020 if you're

00:43:57.540 giving a direct answer

00:43:58.660 you'd say

00:43:59.380 yeah

00:44:00.380 the client list

00:44:01.260 is on my desk

00:44:01.820 right now

00:44:02.140 I just have to go

00:44:02.700 through it

00:44:03.020 make sure

00:44:03.460 that these are

00:44:03.920 actual Jeffrey Epstein

00:44:04.880 clients

00:44:05.340 as opposed to

00:44:05.920 just contacts

00:44:06.960 and associates

00:44:07.500 with him

00:44:08.040 who don't deserve

00:44:08.780 to have their name

00:44:09.440 smeared

00:44:09.780 that would sound

00:44:10.740 like a truthful answer

00:44:11.660 but to me

00:44:12.680 she wasn't telling

00:44:13.940 the truth there

00:44:14.540 she was dangling

00:44:15.460 something

00:44:15.920 she was enjoying

00:44:17.060 dangling something

00:44:18.040 then she realized

00:44:19.000 she got out ahead

00:44:19.660 of her skis

00:44:20.220 and started adding

00:44:20.920 in other things

00:44:21.640 that were likely

00:44:22.200 on her desk

00:44:23.040 and that's why

00:44:24.400 one of the many reasons

00:44:25.260 I think this was all

00:44:26.380 Pam Bondi

00:44:27.120 looking for

00:44:27.940 some attention

00:44:29.320 and I am not

00:44:30.920 somebody who thinks

00:44:31.600 she's got troves

00:44:32.400 of real Jeffrey Epstein

00:44:33.540 documents that she's

00:44:34.520 hiding and that

00:44:35.140 she's now lying about

00:44:36.100 because we have to

00:44:37.080 decide whether we

00:44:37.760 believe the Pam Bondi

00:44:38.840 before this past Sunday

00:44:40.240 or believe the one

00:44:41.660 after

00:44:42.180 and I don't know

00:44:43.720 what's true

00:44:44.200 but my instincts

00:44:44.960 tell me the one

00:44:45.680 before this past Sunday

00:44:46.820 was the one

00:44:47.340 who was messing with us

00:44:48.420 and the jig

00:44:49.500 was kind of up

00:44:50.180 you know

00:44:50.700 it was time

00:44:51.200 to either like

00:44:51.740 put up or shut up

00:44:52.580 and I think the FBI

00:44:53.680 did do a review

00:44:54.500 of its files

00:44:55.080 and said

00:44:55.460 we don't have it

00:44:56.660 we don't

00:44:57.100 like I don't think

00:44:58.020 Dan and Cash

00:44:59.720 have proof

00:45:01.060 of a web

00:45:01.940 of pedophiles

00:45:03.260 that they're

00:45:04.060 willingly protecting

00:45:04.840 right now

00:45:05.160 I just don't believe it

00:45:06.020 no I don't either

00:45:08.020 I mean this

00:45:08.640 I said this publicly

00:45:09.480 and I also said this

00:45:10.180 privately to them

00:45:11.080 I when I heard

00:45:13.060 their definitive

00:45:13.820 pronouncement

00:45:14.680 and I use that phrase

00:45:15.480 definitive pronouncement

00:45:16.540 on purpose

00:45:17.080 because that's what

00:45:18.100 they gave

00:45:18.500 this this was not

00:45:19.520 this is what we think

00:45:20.220 this is what the evidence

00:45:20.920 shows they gave a

00:45:21.640 definitive pronouncement

00:45:22.520 that he killed himself

00:45:23.320 and I wondered why

00:45:24.800 they gave a definitive

00:45:25.880 pronouncement

00:45:26.540 instead of couching it

00:45:27.920 like we don't have

00:45:28.720 evidence to show

00:45:29.880 homicide

00:45:30.360 the evidence

00:45:31.440 that is in

00:45:32.520 the FBI files

00:45:33.820 shows that

00:45:35.120 it is suicide

00:45:36.160 I wondered why

00:45:36.920 they didn't phrase

00:45:37.540 it like that

00:45:38.220 because the FBI

00:45:39.740 prior to Cash Patel

00:45:40.920 and Dan Bongino

00:45:41.480 taking the helm

00:45:42.160 that's not a

00:45:43.700 they're not a reliable

00:45:44.540 narrator

00:45:44.980 the FBI is one of

00:45:45.620 the most corrupt

00:45:46.260 institutions

00:45:47.100 in our federal government

00:45:48.200 so any investigation

00:45:49.760 that was done

00:45:51.000 any compilation

00:45:51.700 of any evidence

00:45:52.620 that was done

00:45:53.160 before Cash Patel

00:45:54.260 and Dan Bongino

00:45:54.880 did it themselves

00:45:55.780 you should not believe

00:45:57.600 you should not only

00:45:58.740 refuse to extend

00:45:59.680 the benefit of the doubt

00:46:00.400 you should assume

00:46:01.300 that it's corrupted

00:46:02.340 and untrue

00:46:02.980 and I asked them

00:46:03.780 did you rely on

00:46:05.140 anything that was

00:46:06.620 compiled by the

00:46:07.560 former corrupt FBI

00:46:08.960 when you made this

00:46:09.880 definitive pronouncement

00:46:10.800 and if so

00:46:11.440 I think the phraseology

00:46:12.720 was a mistake

00:46:13.520 well we may never know

00:46:17.920 they don't seem like

00:46:18.720 they want to talk about it

00:46:19.620 of course we've reached

00:46:20.360 out for interviews

00:46:21.080 with all three of them

00:46:22.060 and you know

00:46:23.080 everybody from the

00:46:23.920 administration

00:46:24.400 swings by this show

00:46:25.580 at some point or another

00:46:26.580 they don't want to do it now

00:46:28.180 I think they meant

00:46:29.740 what the president said

00:46:30.700 on Tuesday or Monday

00:46:32.200 whatever the day

00:46:32.640 the cabinet meeting was

00:46:33.640 which was

00:46:34.380 we want to move on

00:46:35.860 you know

00:46:36.140 are you still talking

00:46:37.340 about Jeffrey Epstein

00:46:38.200 why are we still

00:46:38.880 talking about that creep

00:46:40.060 and I think you've done

00:46:41.260 a good job here

00:46:41.880 of spelling out why

00:46:43.340 it is about Epstein

00:46:44.900 in part

00:46:45.340 sure we'd like to

00:46:46.520 fully understand his legacy

00:46:47.440 but it's about

00:46:48.120 a lot more than that

00:46:49.180 for a lot of other people

00:46:50.380 and I've seen people

00:46:51.260 up and down my timeline

00:46:52.200 Liz who are like

00:46:53.220 this is a before and after

00:46:54.660 moment for them

00:46:55.860 with the administration

00:46:56.800 you know that

00:46:57.640 that they moved

00:46:58.980 Trump and the administration

00:47:01.180 from a category of trust

00:47:02.600 to one of

00:47:03.340 don't trust

00:47:04.220 they're just like

00:47:04.760 all the others

00:47:05.380 as a result of

00:47:06.760 what happened Sunday night

00:47:07.740 that should be fixed

00:47:08.980 I think it can be fixed

00:47:10.360 with an honest tell-all

00:47:12.260 but I don't

00:47:13.760 I don't know

00:47:14.220 what's your take

00:47:14.820 on whether they'll

00:47:15.500 sort of get away

00:47:16.220 with the way

00:47:16.880 they've handled it

00:47:17.580 and the press

00:47:18.520 will just move on

00:47:19.560 and the people

00:47:19.960 will just move on

00:47:20.600 well I don't think

00:47:22.360 that President Trump's

00:47:23.100 base is going to

00:47:23.660 move on from this

00:47:24.360 because of what

00:47:24.960 it represents to them

00:47:26.020 I think

00:47:26.900 I have tremendous faith

00:47:28.280 in President Trump

00:47:29.060 I think that he's

00:47:29.980 he has the ability

00:47:30.720 I mean he's shown

00:47:31.220 this multiple times

00:47:31.900 that the few

00:47:32.920 and far between times

00:47:33.940 that he misreads the base

00:47:35.260 he generally course corrects

00:47:36.460 and so I have full confidence

00:47:37.860 that he can do that now

00:47:39.320 I think it's possible

00:47:40.660 I don't know this for sure

00:47:41.640 I wasn't involved in

00:47:42.800 you know the planning

00:47:43.420 of this comment

00:47:43.940 but I think it's possible

00:47:44.660 that President Trump's

00:47:45.580 kind of grouchy comment

00:47:46.980 you know snapping

00:47:47.680 at that reporter

00:47:48.280 are you still talking

00:47:48.980 about this

00:47:49.920 was somewhat of a test balloon

00:47:51.400 to see like

00:47:51.940 oh does a comment like this

00:47:53.220 you know signal to the base

00:47:54.520 it's time to move on

00:47:55.260 and will they do it

00:47:56.280 because we have other things

00:47:57.100 we want to do

00:47:57.880 or is this very important

00:47:59.260 to the base

00:47:59.800 and the fact that

00:48:00.780 there was a lot of backlash

00:48:02.200 to that comment

00:48:02.940 I mean he's listening

00:48:03.900 we know that he listens

00:48:05.400 to the base

00:48:05.840 we know that the White House

00:48:07.060 is very in tune

00:48:07.820 with conversations on X

00:48:09.080 and in the right wing

00:48:09.920 podcast world

00:48:11.100 so President Trump

00:48:12.720 can fix this

00:48:13.280 he can fix this

00:48:13.900 in a couple of ways

00:48:14.640 he should ask

00:48:15.620 for Attorney General

00:48:17.040 Pam Bondi's resignation

00:48:17.960 because she did not

00:48:19.080 tell us the truth

00:48:19.860 and that's unacceptable

00:48:20.900 and it's one thing

00:48:22.440 to allow something like that

00:48:23.740 to be brushed under the rug

00:48:25.880 when it has no implications

00:48:28.020 but this could very well

00:48:29.460 impact President Trump's

00:48:30.700 electoral chances

00:48:32.240 not his specifically

00:48:33.040 but the Republican parties

00:48:34.180 in the midterm

00:48:34.760 and if somebody

00:48:36.420 in your administration

00:48:37.040 is acting in a way

00:48:38.060 that is discrediting

00:48:39.560 your legacy

00:48:40.440 and your chances

00:48:41.760 in the midterms

00:48:42.380 then you should cut them loose

00:48:43.260 it's not worth it

00:48:43.900 Pam Bondi's not worth it

00:48:44.920 it's time to move on

00:48:45.860 so he should rectify

00:48:47.300 that situation

00:48:48.100 with transparency

00:48:49.060 and honesty

00:48:49.620 and accountability

00:48:50.200 and then he should

00:48:51.360 prove to the base

00:48:52.140 that and he can

00:48:53.000 he should prove to the base

00:48:54.340 that he knows

00:48:55.660 that we voted for him

00:48:56.620 because we want justice

00:48:57.640 and he should hold

00:48:58.600 accountable

00:48:59.200 some of these figures

00:49:00.720 who committed

00:49:01.240 these heinous crimes

00:49:02.180 against us

00:49:02.900 whether it's January 6th

00:49:04.240 the pipe bomb

00:49:04.880 or COVID

00:49:05.560 Russiagate

00:49:06.600 the phony Ukraine impeachment

00:49:07.940 the vaccine mandate

00:49:10.140 any one of these things

00:49:11.460 he put someone

00:49:12.400 who committed those crimes

00:49:13.320 in jail

00:49:13.800 and the base is like

00:49:14.960 okay

00:49:15.420 he gets us

00:49:16.540 he's fighting for us

00:49:17.480 this is what I voted for

00:49:18.660 the only one who would

00:49:18.960 put them in jail

00:49:19.700 is Pam Bondi

00:49:20.600 do you think she can

00:49:21.500 resurrect herself

00:49:23.380 with the base

00:49:23.940 I mean

00:49:26.080 I will be the first one

00:49:27.460 to applaud her

00:49:28.480 if she actually

00:49:29.960 executes justice

00:49:31.760 for any one of the cases

00:49:33.100 that I just mentioned

00:49:34.340 I don't

00:49:34.780 I mean

00:49:35.000 I am

00:49:35.920 even though I was

00:49:37.180 personally involved in this

00:49:38.080 I don't really care about that

00:49:39.220 obviously I want to

00:49:40.140 be transparent with people

00:49:41.220 and communicate with them

00:49:42.100 so that they don't have

00:49:42.680 a misperception

00:49:43.360 of my reputation

00:49:44.180 but that's the least

00:49:45.480 of the worries

00:49:46.720 when it comes to this

00:49:47.480 the biggest part of this

00:49:48.520 is yeah

00:49:49.200 we do need to start

00:49:50.200 lighting a fire

00:49:50.940 under Attorney General

00:49:51.800 Pam Bondi

00:49:52.500 to actually

00:49:53.740 do her job

00:49:54.920 at the Department of Justice

00:49:55.760 and give us justice

00:49:57.420 and so far

00:49:58.200 yeah

00:49:58.700 she's had some

00:49:59.560 smaller wins

00:50:00.620 and I appreciate those

00:50:01.700 but not on the big stuff yet

00:50:03.440 she

00:50:05.100 they

00:50:05.460 you know

00:50:06.600 I don't know that Pam Bondi

00:50:07.520 is going to survive this

00:50:08.340 I feel like the president

00:50:09.740 not tweeting out

00:50:10.920 anything about her

00:50:11.760 says a lot

00:50:12.640 but I will say this

00:50:14.580 he's got a great

00:50:15.760 alternative right there

00:50:17.220 Harmeet Dillon

00:50:17.880 is amazing

00:50:18.700 and she's there already

00:50:20.680 and that's somebody

00:50:21.940 who could potentially

00:50:22.600 take over

00:50:23.140 if this falls apart

00:50:24.020 I'm not saying

00:50:24.560 I want it to happen

00:50:25.200 I just think

00:50:25.860 I mean I know the base too

00:50:27.220 and I think they're

00:50:27.780 really unhappy with her

00:50:28.880 and I think we know why

00:50:30.020 I mean we've spelled out

00:50:30.920 exactly why

00:50:31.660 Liz I'm so glad

00:50:33.160 you landed at the blaze

00:50:34.060 I love the blaze

00:50:35.180 I love all the folks

00:50:36.020 over there

00:50:36.480 and I think it's a great match

00:50:37.520 so I hope you're enjoying

00:50:38.360 your new stint

00:50:39.500 and all the best

00:50:40.620 with the show

00:50:41.080 thank you so much

00:50:42.800 I feel the same way

00:50:43.720 about the blaze

00:50:44.180 and having a great time

00:50:44.820 over there

00:50:45.260 thank you for having me

00:50:46.440 on today

00:50:46.780 yeah anytime

00:50:48.360 hope to see us again soon

00:50:49.640 Liz Wheeler everybody

00:50:50.480 wow I'd love to hear

00:50:52.360 from you guys on this

00:50:53.180 it's like

00:50:53.580 I don't know

00:50:54.540 do you think Pam Bondi

00:50:55.780 will survive

00:50:56.620 you think she'll be there

00:50:57.560 in six months

00:50:58.400 and do you think she should

00:50:59.760 should she survive

00:51:00.700 is this

00:51:01.280 a survivable

00:51:02.660 sin

00:51:03.580 or not

00:51:04.320 I don't know

00:51:06.040 what to believe

00:51:06.540 I'm being honest

00:51:07.460 with you about that

00:51:08.040 I really don't

00:51:08.580 I

00:51:08.800 I'm telling you

00:51:10.120 what I suspect

00:51:10.680 but I just don't know

00:51:11.900 this is very strange behavior

00:51:13.200 from a cast of characters

00:51:15.220 that's behaving in a way

00:51:16.380 I don't recognize

00:51:17.760 it's not normal

00:51:18.780 I really want to funnel

00:51:20.040 all these answers

00:51:20.960 that we've gotten

00:51:21.420 from her and others

00:51:22.220 into Q

00:51:23.260 which is

00:51:24.460 a special AI

00:51:26.060 tool

00:51:26.920 that my friend

00:51:27.800 has developed

00:51:28.440 that tells you

00:51:29.620 whether somebody's lying

00:51:30.840 maybe we'll do that

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00:51:45.160 and now they make up

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00:51:47.580 American's

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00:56:32.240 I'm super excited

00:56:38.440 to talk to my

00:56:39.040 next guest

00:56:39.560 a fascinating

00:56:40.460 brilliant surgeon

00:56:41.700 cancer specialist

00:56:43.040 billionaire

00:56:43.820 and also

00:56:45.040 the owner

00:56:46.160 of a

00:56:46.900 media outlet

00:56:47.820 you know

00:56:48.540 and likely

00:56:49.340 don't like

00:56:49.800 but we'll

00:56:50.600 forgive him

00:56:50.960 because he

00:56:51.260 bought it late

00:56:51.720 it's called

00:56:52.420 the Los Angeles

00:56:53.040 Times

00:56:53.520 and my guest

00:56:54.660 today is

00:56:55.000 Dr.

00:56:55.380 Patrick Soon

00:56:56.140 Xiong

00:56:56.600 he's here

00:56:57.100 today

00:56:57.420 welcome to

00:56:58.120 the show

00:56:58.400 great to

00:56:58.720 have you

00:56:58.980 doc

00:56:59.220 well thanks

00:57:00.380 for having

00:57:00.740 me Megan

00:57:01.160 pleased to

00:57:01.700 meet you

00:57:02.020 yeah

00:57:02.340 we forgive

00:57:03.460 you because

00:57:03.940 you bought

00:57:04.960 it not

00:57:05.620 until 2018

00:57:06.380 and you've

00:57:06.900 been trying

00:57:07.480 to inject

00:57:08.440 some balance

00:57:09.180 into this

00:57:09.740 newspaper

00:57:10.200 though I'm

00:57:11.200 sure it's

00:57:11.580 been an

00:57:11.860 uphill battle

00:57:12.420 well not

00:57:14.280 only trying

00:57:14.800 I think

00:57:15.300 when we

00:57:16.200 bought it

00:57:16.620 I really

00:57:18.000 realized that

00:57:18.860 ultimately

00:57:19.560 the newspaper

00:57:20.980 will become

00:57:21.420 dinosaurs

00:57:21.980 and we need

00:57:22.420 to change

00:57:22.920 completely

00:57:23.440 so we can

00:57:24.800 talk a little

00:57:25.320 bit about

00:57:25.680 that

00:57:26.000 and I'm

00:57:26.540 excited to

00:57:26.980 say we're

00:57:27.420 on the

00:57:27.620 verge of

00:57:28.080 this change

00:57:28.760 and we'll

00:57:29.120 be announcing

00:57:29.580 that next

00:57:30.100 week sometime

00:57:30.820 oh

00:57:31.340 all right

00:57:32.400 yes we'll

00:57:32.760 definitely

00:57:32.980 round back

00:57:33.420 to that

00:57:33.680 but let's

00:57:33.980 talk about

00:57:34.460 curing cancer

00:57:35.340 first because

00:57:36.120 that's a

00:57:36.820 bigger one

00:57:37.540 and it's

00:57:37.840 a more

00:57:38.880 important

00:57:39.220 headline

00:57:39.520 I listened

00:57:40.520 to you on

00:57:40.840 Tucker

00:57:41.060 and I thought

00:57:41.420 it was a

00:57:41.720 fascinating

00:57:42.140 discussion

00:57:42.660 and all I

00:57:43.500 could think

00:57:43.860 was

00:57:44.800 this amazing

00:57:46.180 magical thing

00:57:47.060 that you've

00:57:47.560 found that

00:57:48.140 you've

00:57:48.660 decided

00:57:49.720 to study

00:57:50.880 and actually

00:57:51.480 come up

00:57:52.020 with

00:57:52.360 everyone wants

00:57:54.400 it

00:57:54.580 everyone's

00:57:55.120 going to

00:57:55.340 want it

00:57:55.700 once they

00:57:56.140 hear about

00:57:56.620 it

00:57:56.820 and my

00:57:57.880 biggest

00:57:58.120 question is

00:57:58.620 how can

00:57:58.900 it be

00:57:59.080 mass

00:57:59.460 produced

00:58:00.080 such that

00:58:00.640 we can

00:58:00.900 all shore

00:58:01.700 up our

00:58:02.120 T-cells

00:58:02.860 and fight

00:58:03.560 cancer

00:58:04.200 and COVID

00:58:05.120 hangovers

00:58:05.840 and spiked

00:58:07.260 cells

00:58:07.780 whatever that

00:58:08.440 were caused

00:58:09.200 from the

00:58:09.540 vaccine

00:58:09.940 or weren't

00:58:10.460 so let's

00:58:11.180 just start

00:58:11.600 with

00:58:11.880 what is

00:58:12.600 it

00:58:12.780 exactly

00:58:13.240 this

00:58:13.520 thing

00:58:13.760 because

00:58:13.900 you

00:58:14.020 invented

00:58:14.620 other

00:58:15.140 cancer

00:58:15.540 drugs

00:58:15.840 that

00:58:16.060 you

00:58:16.320 literally

00:58:16.700 sold

00:58:17.060 your

00:58:17.220 companies

00:58:17.620 for

00:58:17.960 10

00:58:18.640 billion

00:58:19.140 dollars

00:58:19.540 for

00:58:19.760 you're

00:58:20.220 the

00:58:20.320 real deal

00:58:20.840 you've

00:58:21.260 been

00:58:21.400 honored

00:58:21.680 by

00:58:22.000 everybody

00:58:22.880 a

00:58:23.940 legit

00:58:24.280 and

00:58:24.740 world

00:58:24.980 renowned

00:58:25.260 doctor

00:58:25.660 so

00:58:26.020 you

00:58:26.320 made

00:58:26.680 plenty

00:58:27.000 of

00:58:27.160 money

00:58:27.340 but

00:58:27.540 you

00:58:27.660 kept

00:58:27.900 studying

00:58:28.380 cancer

00:58:29.320 and how

00:58:29.740 to cure

00:58:30.100 it

00:58:30.220 and you've

00:58:30.580 come up

00:58:30.980 with this

00:58:31.360 very

00:58:31.760 special

00:58:32.120 thing

00:58:32.420 so

00:58:34.200 well first

00:58:34.680 of all

00:58:34.840 thank you

00:58:35.180 for that

00:58:35.520 that's

00:58:35.840 very

00:58:36.100 generous

00:58:36.480 I did

00:58:39.380 not invent

00:58:39.960 this

00:58:40.320 God

00:58:40.780 invented

00:58:41.240 this

00:58:41.640 so

00:58:42.260 this

00:58:42.500 is

00:58:42.620 what

00:58:42.760 I

00:58:42.880 want

00:58:43.020 to

00:58:43.120 explain

00:58:43.560 you know

00:58:44.960 when I

00:58:45.360 sold

00:58:45.580 my

00:58:45.820 companies

00:58:46.480 in

00:58:49.500 2008

00:58:50.620 2010

00:58:51.620 I

00:58:53.020 realized

00:58:53.820 and this

00:58:54.980 has been

00:58:55.320 now

00:58:55.680 a life's

00:58:56.660 work

00:58:57.060 that we

00:58:58.200 have in

00:58:58.680 our body

00:58:59.280 a cell

00:59:00.760 that God

00:59:01.580 created

00:59:02.100 and it

00:59:03.460 is 450

00:59:04.440 million years

00:59:05.360 old

00:59:05.620 called the

00:59:06.060 natural

00:59:06.340 killer cell

00:59:07.020 and that

00:59:08.540 cell was

00:59:09.060 only

00:59:09.300 discovered

00:59:09.800 in the

00:59:11.260 1970s

00:59:12.460 and I

00:59:12.700 wrote my

00:59:13.020 first paper

00:59:13.500 in the

00:59:13.760 1990s

00:59:14.680 and what

00:59:16.040 this is

00:59:16.760 is the

00:59:17.080 enlightenment

00:59:17.600 of how

00:59:19.080 do we

00:59:19.440 activate

00:59:20.080 the cell

00:59:20.860 that God

00:59:21.280 created

00:59:21.720 in us

00:59:22.260 and why

00:59:23.140 does the

00:59:24.260 cell exist

00:59:24.940 and this

00:59:26.380 cell exists

00:59:27.260 because it

00:59:28.140 is here to

00:59:28.760 prevent us

00:59:29.280 from having

00:59:29.640 cancer

00:59:30.120 this cell

00:59:31.400 exists

00:59:31.860 to prevent

00:59:32.460 us from

00:59:32.780 dying

00:59:33.740 from infection

00:59:34.640 from sepsis

00:59:36.080 from

00:59:36.320 COVID

00:59:36.820 from

00:59:37.800 bacteria

00:59:39.000 from

00:59:39.420 fungus

00:59:40.000 and

00:59:41.900 what's

00:59:42.420 happened

00:59:42.720 now

00:59:43.040 is an

00:59:43.380 enlightenment

00:59:43.960 after 30

00:59:45.700 years of

00:59:46.100 work

00:59:46.560 of how

00:59:47.700 to activate

00:59:48.300 that cell

00:59:48.880 with a

00:59:49.220 single

00:59:49.540 jab

00:59:50.020 and that's

00:59:51.040 what we've

00:59:51.420 discovered

00:59:51.860 so

00:59:52.920 what's

00:59:53.800 exciting

00:59:54.160 is

00:59:54.720 we have

00:59:55.660 within

00:59:56.020 our

00:59:56.280 body

00:59:56.700 this

00:59:57.900 immune

00:59:58.300 system

00:59:58.920 that's

00:59:59.920 been

01:00:00.140 around

01:00:00.520 everybody

01:00:00.960 understands

01:00:01.660 T-cells

01:00:02.340 everybody

01:00:02.680 understands

01:00:03.500 but nobody

01:00:04.820 ever thought

01:00:05.460 about the

01:00:05.840 word

01:00:06.040 natural

01:00:06.520 kill

01:00:06.800 cells

01:00:07.080 and that's

01:00:07.560 the name

01:00:07.940 of the

01:00:08.220 cell

01:00:09.040 it's the

01:00:09.500 natural

01:00:09.840 kill

01:00:10.120 cell

01:00:10.440 it is

01:00:11.560 the first

01:00:11.940 responder

01:00:12.480 in your

01:00:12.800 body

01:00:13.160 to

01:00:14.400 recognize

01:00:14.840 anything

01:00:15.440 that's

01:00:15.800 dangerous

01:00:16.200 and kill

01:00:16.700 it

01:00:16.880 that's

01:00:18.120 the only

01:00:18.460 way

01:00:18.680 that

01:00:18.860 mammalians

01:00:19.500 actually

01:00:19.880 evolved

01:00:20.320 to live

01:00:20.780 today

01:00:21.220 so

01:00:22.240 when you

01:00:22.580 said

01:00:22.720 I

01:00:22.920 invented

01:00:23.340 it

01:00:23.620 what

01:00:25.100 this

01:00:25.340 is

01:00:25.600 really

01:00:25.860 is an

01:00:26.200 enlightenment

01:00:26.700 of going

01:00:28.000 from

01:00:28.340 toxic

01:00:29.020 chemotherapy

01:00:29.860 radiation

01:00:30.640 to really

01:00:32.000 using your

01:00:32.720 body

01:00:33.060 itself

01:00:33.720 as the

01:00:35.280 protector

01:00:35.780 against

01:00:36.460 cancer

01:00:36.900 so

01:00:38.480 what

01:00:38.840 is it

01:00:39.360 I mean

01:00:39.640 I know

01:00:39.900 it's called

01:00:40.320 bio shield

01:00:41.200 but what

01:00:41.840 what exactly

01:00:42.520 is it

01:00:43.520 and how

01:00:43.960 does it

01:00:44.180 work

01:00:44.320 so

01:00:44.540 so

01:00:45.320 now

01:00:45.760 now that

01:00:48.160 we understand

01:00:48.720 that you

01:00:49.060 have a cell

01:00:49.620 in your

01:00:49.860 body

01:00:50.140 you and

01:00:50.640 I have

01:00:50.960 a cell

01:00:51.280 in your

01:00:51.540 body

01:00:51.800 what

01:00:52.880 nobody

01:00:53.240 has figured

01:00:53.660 out

01:00:54.020 is what's

01:00:55.040 the receptor

01:00:55.600 on that

01:00:56.040 cell

01:00:56.400 that if

01:00:56.840 you put

01:00:57.100 a protein

01:00:57.580 into your

01:00:58.120 body

01:00:58.380 that your

01:00:58.760 body

01:00:59.020 is making

01:00:59.420 right now

01:01:00.020 your body

01:01:01.140 is making

01:01:01.560 a protein

01:01:02.060 called

01:01:02.420 IL-15

01:01:03.560 interleukin

01:01:04.320 15

01:01:04.700 that's what

01:01:05.580 your body

01:01:05.900 is generating

01:01:06.560 but it's

01:01:07.840 generating it

01:01:08.520 and it lasts

01:01:09.020 for maybe a

01:01:09.540 minute

01:01:09.820 so that it

01:01:11.360 activates the

01:01:12.100 cell when

01:01:12.560 you need

01:01:12.820 it

01:01:13.080 if I could

01:01:14.940 create that

01:01:15.480 protein

01:01:16.060 and inject

01:01:17.560 it and it

01:01:17.980 could last

01:01:18.480 7 to 14

01:01:19.740 days

01:01:20.320 and supercharge

01:01:21.860 all these

01:01:23.400 natural killer

01:01:23.980 and T-cells

01:01:24.820 with a single

01:01:25.360 jab

01:01:25.880 that is

01:01:27.000 the

01:01:27.160 bioshield

01:01:27.720 so the

01:01:28.880 bioshield

01:01:29.380 is the

01:01:29.940 key

01:01:30.360 to unlocking

01:01:31.660 the proliferation

01:01:32.920 of these

01:01:33.380 cells

01:01:33.760 and what's

01:01:34.860 exciting

01:01:35.280 is that

01:01:36.160 this has

01:01:36.620 now been

01:01:37.200 approved

01:01:37.820 for bladder

01:01:38.980 cancer

01:01:39.460 and what's

01:01:41.280 exciting

01:01:41.660 is we've

01:01:42.060 shown that

01:01:42.560 patients with

01:01:43.120 bladder cancer

01:01:43.780 when we

01:01:44.160 gave it

01:01:44.500 in 2015

01:01:45.880 not only

01:01:47.260 are still

01:01:47.620 alive

01:01:48.200 have never

01:01:49.100 lost their

01:01:49.580 bladder

01:01:49.900 and are

01:01:50.320 free of

01:01:50.600 disease

01:01:51.100 which

01:01:52.060 means

01:01:52.400 then

01:01:52.740 this

01:01:53.880 key

01:01:54.280 of

01:01:54.560 this

01:01:54.760 IL-15

01:01:55.360 which

01:01:55.880 is

01:01:56.040 in

01:01:56.180 the

01:01:56.300 little

01:01:56.480 vial

01:01:56.900 and

01:01:58.300 given

01:01:58.520 subcutaneously

01:01:59.300 is the

01:01:59.840 bioshield

01:02:00.420 so you

01:02:03.160 is it

01:02:03.620 something

01:02:03.980 that you

01:02:04.520 would take

01:02:05.140 prophylactically

01:02:06.460 just you

01:02:07.220 know

01:02:07.440 just in

01:02:08.780 case

01:02:09.080 just because

01:02:09.600 you don't

01:02:09.960 want to

01:02:10.260 get cancer

01:02:10.780 or you're

01:02:11.380 just worried

01:02:11.860 about

01:02:12.180 the COVID

01:02:13.280 vaccine

01:02:13.680 or having

01:02:14.060 had COVID

01:02:14.580 or is it

01:02:15.080 something

01:02:15.360 you would

01:02:16.140 only take

01:02:16.840 when you've

01:02:17.580 been diagnosed

01:02:18.100 with cancer

01:02:18.880 and you

01:02:19.560 don't know

01:02:19.960 what to

01:02:20.260 do

01:02:21.100 so you

01:02:22.280 know you

01:02:22.460 ask such

01:02:22.940 great

01:02:23.160 questions

01:02:23.620 because

01:02:24.060 we just

01:02:24.840 finished

01:02:25.220 accruing

01:02:26.000 completely

01:02:27.220 accruing

01:02:27.820 a trial

01:02:28.360 for patients

01:02:28.940 who don't

01:02:29.320 have cancer

01:02:29.940 patients

01:02:31.020 with Lynch

01:02:31.540 syndrome

01:02:31.860 which affects

01:02:32.660 1 in 280

01:02:33.680 Americans

01:02:34.180 in the United

01:02:34.720 States

01:02:35.140 so we were

01:02:36.520 chosen by the

01:02:37.200 National Cancer

01:02:37.860 Institute

01:02:38.240 and just

01:02:38.640 last week

01:02:39.260 100% accrual

01:02:40.800 across the

01:02:41.420 nation

01:02:41.780 in which

01:02:42.940 the patients

01:02:43.580 get this

01:02:44.020 jab

01:02:44.500 to ensure

01:02:45.480 that they

01:02:45.840 don't

01:02:46.260 or to

01:02:46.880 explore

01:02:47.320 that they

01:02:47.680 don't

01:02:48.000 get cancer

01:02:48.660 if you

01:02:51.140 really get

01:02:51.620 deep into

01:02:52.400 what this

01:02:53.180 bioshield

01:02:53.820 is

01:02:54.340 is as

01:02:55.800 you age

01:02:56.500 your natural

01:02:58.080 killer cells

01:02:58.640 and T

01:02:58.980 cells begin

01:02:59.560 to drop

01:03:00.040 so the

01:03:02.040 problem is

01:03:02.720 as your

01:03:03.240 natural killer

01:03:03.880 cells and

01:03:04.560 T cells

01:03:05.140 drop

01:03:05.640 that's when

01:03:07.120 you actually

01:03:07.480 lose the

01:03:07.980 immune system

01:03:08.580 that protects

01:03:09.120 yourself

01:03:09.480 and that's

01:03:09.860 how you

01:03:10.120 also get

01:03:10.520 cancer

01:03:10.920 so cancer

01:03:12.560 is in fact

01:03:13.320 a collapse

01:03:14.440 of this

01:03:14.860 immune system

01:03:15.600 and if

01:03:17.800 that's the

01:03:18.320 case then

01:03:19.020 this is

01:03:20.240 maybe the

01:03:20.740 key not

01:03:21.800 to fountain

01:03:22.360 of youth

01:03:22.940 but the

01:03:23.880 key to

01:03:24.420 longevity

01:03:25.300 in a sense

01:03:26.200 of prolonging

01:03:27.860 life while

01:03:29.600 to extend

01:03:31.080 and protect

01:03:32.760 the immune

01:03:33.240 system

01:03:33.740 what's remarkable

01:03:35.440 it's hidden

01:03:36.200 in plain sight

01:03:37.060 when you

01:03:37.800 say do

01:03:39.020 we need

01:03:39.460 this

01:03:39.880 when we

01:03:41.540 take a

01:03:42.280 simple blood

01:03:43.020 test called

01:03:43.700 a CBC

01:03:44.420 which is

01:03:46.540 done

01:03:46.880 hundreds of

01:03:48.900 thousands

01:03:49.160 times a

01:03:49.760 day in

01:03:50.400 the United

01:03:50.820 States to

01:03:51.440 measure

01:03:51.680 hemoglobin

01:03:52.340 there's a

01:03:54.100 count in

01:03:54.660 that test

01:03:55.380 called the

01:03:55.980 absolute

01:03:56.400 lymphocyte

01:03:57.240 count

01:03:57.660 ALC

01:03:58.740 that sadly

01:04:00.700 today

01:04:01.640 99%

01:04:03.140 of the

01:04:04.280 doctors in

01:04:04.880 the United

01:04:05.200 States

01:04:05.600 don't pay

01:04:07.020 attention to

01:04:07.580 that not

01:04:07.960 because they

01:04:08.580 are not

01:04:09.560 smart

01:04:10.000 because there

01:04:11.080 was no

01:04:11.500 treatment until

01:04:12.520 today in the

01:04:13.180 history of

01:04:13.640 medicine

01:04:14.040 to unlock

01:04:15.380 if you have

01:04:16.580 a low

01:04:16.940 ALC to

01:04:17.620 improve that

01:04:18.240 ALC count

01:04:19.120 that's what

01:04:20.360 has happened

01:04:21.200 as of today

01:04:22.020 and during

01:04:23.280 this administration

01:04:24.180 I'm hopeful

01:04:24.900 that the FDA

01:04:26.500 would recognize

01:04:28.160 that what we

01:04:29.600 have is a

01:04:30.260 paradigm change

01:04:31.260 of how to

01:04:32.520 look at

01:04:33.120 patients

01:04:33.600 whether they

01:04:34.500 have cancer

01:04:35.160 infection

01:04:36.380 sepsis

01:04:37.300 in the ICU

01:04:38.140 or even

01:04:39.140 aged

01:04:39.620 so when

01:04:41.920 you see

01:04:42.460 this

01:04:42.760 ALC

01:04:43.520 count

01:04:44.320 on anybody

01:04:45.160 whether it's

01:04:46.160 a seemingly

01:04:46.780 healthy

01:04:47.320 individual

01:04:47.860 or someone

01:04:48.540 you know

01:04:48.900 has cancer

01:04:49.560 you could

01:04:50.900 see a number

01:04:51.560 and I'm sure

01:04:52.280 there's just a

01:04:52.780 range

01:04:53.140 and if you

01:04:53.600 fall what

01:04:54.120 below the

01:04:54.640 acceptable

01:04:55.040 range

01:04:55.580 you're at

01:04:56.480 risk

01:04:56.780 and that

01:04:57.180 would be a

01:04:57.540 potential

01:04:57.920 candidate

01:04:58.360 for

01:04:58.900 this

01:05:00.060 bio

01:05:00.620 strike

01:05:01.000 incredibly

01:05:03.820 correct

01:05:04.360 we sense

01:05:04.940 that the

01:05:05.660 range is

01:05:06.300 if you go

01:05:06.680 below a

01:05:07.160 thousand

01:05:07.620 so the

01:05:08.620 normal range

01:05:09.100 is between

01:05:09.380 a thousand

01:05:09.820 to four

01:05:10.240 thousand

01:05:10.720 if you go

01:05:13.140 below the

01:05:13.620 thousand

01:05:14.400 the statistical

01:05:16.700 analysis

01:05:17.620 that's been

01:05:18.120 shown now

01:05:18.740 remarkably

01:05:19.660 in about

01:05:20.320 200 to

01:05:21.700 300

01:05:22.020 publications

01:05:22.760 is that you

01:05:24.580 have a

01:05:24.900 statistical

01:05:25.360 analysis

01:05:26.040 opportunity

01:05:26.680 to actually

01:05:27.300 have a

01:05:27.700 shortened

01:05:27.980 lifespan

01:05:28.480 so this

01:05:30.400 lower

01:05:31.280 ALC

01:05:32.120 or if

01:05:32.760 you drop

01:05:33.160 you

01:05:33.300 a thousand

01:05:33.940 the medical

01:05:35.080 term for

01:05:35.540 that is

01:05:35.900 lymphopenia

01:05:36.760 so if you

01:05:38.280 were to

01:05:38.600 google

01:05:38.900 lymphopenia

01:05:40.100 remarkably

01:05:41.280 you'd see

01:05:41.680 papers going

01:05:42.240 all the way

01:05:42.660 to 1990s

01:05:43.820 that if you

01:05:45.020 have lymphopenia

01:05:45.900 for breast

01:05:46.380 cancer

01:05:46.720 lymphopenia

01:05:47.340 for pancreas

01:05:47.900 cancer

01:05:48.220 lymphopenia

01:05:48.800 for lung

01:05:49.220 cancer

01:05:49.660 any cancers

01:05:50.820 you want

01:05:51.180 to choose

01:05:51.780 your

01:05:53.380 survival

01:05:54.580 rate

01:05:55.000 is

01:05:55.660 significantly

01:05:56.500 and statistically

01:05:57.340 shortened

01:05:57.860 and that

01:05:59.040 makes so

01:05:59.420 much sense

01:05:59.880 because

01:06:00.280 what ALC

01:06:01.000 is

01:06:01.440 actually

01:06:01.860 is your

01:06:02.180 lymphocytes

01:06:02.640 and your

01:06:02.940 T cells

01:06:03.480 and the

01:06:04.740 lymphocytes

01:06:05.240 and T cells

01:06:05.860 are only

01:06:06.260 cells that

01:06:06.680 really matter

01:06:07.320 to prevent

01:06:08.400 infection

01:06:08.840 to prevent

01:06:09.280 cancer

01:06:09.760 to treat

01:06:10.400 the cancer

01:06:10.880 to prevent

01:06:11.340 metastasis

01:06:12.040 so it

01:06:13.920 is so

01:06:15.300 obvious

01:06:15.820 from my

01:06:16.300 perspective

01:06:16.760 it's simple

01:06:17.460 and yet

01:06:17.780 profound

01:06:18.200 that we've

01:06:19.580 unlocked

01:06:20.160 a paradigm

01:06:21.140 change

01:06:21.780 where we

01:06:22.680 treat the

01:06:23.180 host

01:06:23.620 i.e.

01:06:24.460 the immune

01:06:24.840 system

01:06:25.380 rather than

01:06:26.560 the disease

01:06:27.260 in fact

01:06:29.260 the disease

01:06:29.840 of cancer

01:06:30.480 is really

01:06:31.720 the symptom

01:06:32.340 the root

01:06:33.260 cause of

01:06:33.700 the disease

01:06:34.280 is the

01:06:34.660 collapse

01:06:34.960 of the

01:06:35.260 immune

01:06:35.440 system

01:06:35.860 so i

01:06:38.000 heard you

01:06:38.320 telling

01:06:38.700 tucker

01:06:39.140 that you'd

01:06:40.160 never had

01:06:40.780 covid

01:06:41.220 and he

01:06:41.860 said you're

01:06:42.280 lucky

01:06:42.600 and you

01:06:43.020 said it's

01:06:43.840 not luck

01:06:44.480 it's it's

01:06:46.020 this it's

01:06:46.940 it's my

01:06:47.680 t cells

01:06:48.140 and that

01:06:50.120 made me

01:06:50.480 wonder

01:06:50.840 whether

01:06:51.340 like i

01:06:52.960 was saying

01:06:53.420 can anybody

01:06:55.000 get this

01:06:55.660 like did

01:06:56.140 did you

01:06:56.560 have low

01:06:57.520 alc and

01:06:58.560 therefore you

01:06:59.120 did the

01:06:59.680 injection on

01:07:00.220 yourself or

01:07:00.900 did you

01:07:01.180 just take

01:07:01.660 it when

01:07:02.700 covid was

01:07:03.180 circulating

01:07:03.600 so

01:07:05.400 there's two

01:07:07.280 things about

01:07:07.820 t cells and

01:07:08.500 so the

01:07:08.820 bioshield

01:07:09.420 is a

01:07:10.840 platform

01:07:11.300 the one

01:07:12.320 hand what

01:07:12.760 i talk about

01:07:13.300 now is

01:07:14.120 this il-15

01:07:15.000 that actually

01:07:15.680 proliferates and

01:07:16.460 supercharges

01:07:17.340 and that's

01:07:18.260 approved

01:07:18.720 il-15

01:07:20.400 that's what

01:07:20.760 you call

01:07:21.000 the drug

01:07:21.400 it's called

01:07:22.700 anctiva

01:07:23.240 okay i'm

01:07:25.300 trying not to

01:07:25.920 give you a

01:07:26.220 commercial name

01:07:26.860 but that's what

01:07:28.960 but that's what

01:07:30.800 it's called

01:07:31.240 anctiva

01:07:32.260 it's the

01:07:33.900 activated

01:07:34.360 nk cell

01:07:35.040 for t cell

01:07:35.600 for life

01:07:36.040 that's what

01:07:36.480 anctiva is

01:07:37.440 and it's

01:07:39.320 this il-15

01:07:40.200 in a little

01:07:41.100 vial

01:07:41.400 literally

01:07:42.200 half a cc

01:07:44.300 injected

01:07:45.540 subcutaneously

01:07:46.560 and it

01:07:47.800 acts amazingly

01:07:48.640 because that's

01:07:49.420 what god's

01:07:49.900 given us

01:07:50.400 so again

01:07:51.940 coming full

01:07:52.480 circle to

01:07:53.140 you know

01:07:53.800 did i invent

01:07:54.580 this no

01:07:55.040 god invented

01:07:55.740 this what

01:07:56.180 we did

01:07:56.520 was enlighten

01:07:57.180 ourselves to

01:07:57.760 figure out

01:07:58.340 what key we

01:07:59.780 needed to

01:08:00.280 activate what's

01:08:00.940 in your body

01:08:01.480 but imagine

01:08:02.840 if we could

01:08:03.420 not only

01:08:04.140 activate

01:08:05.480 those t

01:08:06.140 cells but

01:08:06.600 educate the

01:08:07.320 t cells before

01:08:08.080 we activate

01:08:08.660 them educate

01:08:09.940 them to

01:08:10.480 recognize a

01:08:11.340 specific

01:08:11.900 antigen

01:08:12.640 and that's

01:08:14.120 what we're

01:08:14.380 doing in

01:08:14.760 lynch syndrome

01:08:15.400 patients with

01:08:16.580 lynch syndrome

01:08:17.500 have an 80%

01:08:18.380 increase of

01:08:19.380 colon cancer

01:08:20.180 so we

01:08:21.540 pre-activate

01:08:22.580 their t cells

01:08:23.320 so they can

01:08:24.040 recognize a

01:08:25.600 t cell against

01:08:26.500 the colon cancer

01:08:27.460 so one of the

01:08:30.080 things on

01:08:30.700 covid could

01:08:31.400 and we can

01:08:31.880 talk a little

01:08:32.320 bit about that

01:08:33.080 and i spoke

01:08:34.220 at great length

01:08:34.920 to peter

01:08:35.760 marx and

01:08:36.320 to fauci

01:08:36.840 and to

01:08:37.480 collins

01:08:37.960 to the

01:08:38.700 entire

01:08:39.100 nih and

01:08:40.620 nid

01:08:41.120 during the

01:08:42.520 biden

01:08:42.780 administration

01:08:43.460 as well

01:08:44.200 that we

01:08:45.680 need a

01:08:46.120 t cell

01:08:46.480 vaccine

01:08:47.040 and i

01:08:48.640 think i

01:08:48.960 sent you

01:08:49.380 the youtube

01:08:50.020 where john

01:08:51.520 cohen from

01:08:52.140 science and

01:08:52.820 myself and

01:08:53.380 peter marx

01:08:53.920 in 2022

01:08:55.160 did this

01:08:55.880 interview

01:08:56.280 begging the

01:08:57.460 country to

01:08:58.100 get the

01:08:58.400 t cell

01:08:58.740 vaccine

01:08:59.220 so what

01:09:00.760 i did is

01:09:01.480 i built

01:09:01.880 this t

01:09:02.220 cell vaccine

01:09:02.940 and by

01:09:03.940 the way

01:09:04.420 as you

01:09:05.020 remember

01:09:05.420 billions of

01:09:06.340 dollars were

01:09:06.780 made available

01:09:07.400 and i'm

01:09:08.960 proud to

01:09:09.340 say it

01:09:10.400 was difficult

01:09:10.980 that we've

01:09:11.560 never used

01:09:12.200 one single

01:09:12.880 penny of

01:09:13.300 government

01:09:13.640 money

01:09:14.080 partly because

01:09:16.440 we never

01:09:16.740 received one

01:09:17.460 single penny

01:09:18.000 of government

01:09:18.560 money so

01:09:19.820 that i could

01:09:20.300 have the

01:09:20.660 freedom to

01:09:21.820 actually build

01:09:22.380 what i needed

01:09:22.880 to build

01:09:23.320 what i think

01:09:23.700 was right

01:09:24.140 for the

01:09:24.520 human race

01:09:25.160 because my

01:09:26.940 concern was

01:09:27.980 that the

01:09:28.500 current vaccines

01:09:29.520 the antibody

01:09:30.600 based vaccines

01:09:31.660 would not

01:09:33.020 stop

01:09:33.480 transmission

01:09:34.220 by that i

01:09:35.520 mean

01:09:35.820 you'd get

01:09:36.900 this vaccine

01:09:37.760 it maybe

01:09:38.900 would block

01:09:39.580 a little

01:09:40.200 bit but

01:09:41.140 the virus

01:09:41.560 would get

01:09:41.920 in it

01:09:43.300 would grow

01:09:43.920 it would

01:09:44.760 use your

01:09:45.120 body to

01:09:45.580 grow and

01:09:46.420 you would

01:09:46.680 transmit it

01:09:47.180 to another

01:09:47.540 person and

01:09:49.440 my greatest

01:09:49.940 fear would

01:09:50.640 be not only

01:09:51.360 it would

01:09:51.640 grow it

01:09:52.100 persist and

01:09:53.540 if it

01:09:53.860 persists

01:09:54.460 now you

01:09:55.740 have auto

01:09:56.840 immune

01:09:57.080 disease

01:09:57.520 inflammatory

01:09:58.040 disease and

01:09:59.300 even potentially

01:10:00.200 turbo cancers

01:10:01.120 so the

01:10:03.480 solution to

01:10:04.360 that and

01:10:05.600 the solution

01:10:06.140 was facing

01:10:07.420 us in

01:10:08.220 2021

01:10:08.920 2022

01:10:09.580 was to

01:10:12.080 develop a

01:10:12.540 vaccine that

01:10:13.140 would stimulate

01:10:13.740 the t-cells

01:10:14.500 and nk

01:10:14.940 cells but

01:10:16.460 the t-cells

01:10:17.260 would be

01:10:17.520 educated

01:10:18.180 against the

01:10:18.800 covid

01:10:19.100 nuclear

01:10:21.300 capsid

01:10:21.940 so the

01:10:22.860 covid has

01:10:23.380 two proteins

01:10:24.560 inside it

01:10:25.260 one is spike

01:10:26.040 and one on

01:10:27.100 the inner

01:10:27.380 core of the

01:10:28.020 covid called

01:10:29.220 the nuclear

01:10:29.620 capsid and

01:10:30.920 if you could

01:10:31.240 create a t-cell

01:10:32.060 vaccine to

01:10:32.700 the nuclear

01:10:33.160 capsid you

01:10:34.760 may have a

01:10:35.220 universal t-cell

01:10:36.460 vaccine to

01:10:37.400 any covid

01:10:37.920 comes along

01:10:38.640 because that

01:10:39.440 nuclear capsid

01:10:40.080 doesn't change

01:10:40.880 that spike

01:10:41.800 mutates all

01:10:42.460 the time

01:10:43.000 we had

01:10:44.740 developed that

01:10:45.280 vaccine

01:10:45.840 and completed

01:10:48.960 phase one

01:10:49.680 and i

01:10:51.440 injected myself

01:10:52.260 to test

01:10:53.040 that i would

01:10:54.180 have t-cells

01:10:55.120 against the

01:10:55.780 covid antigen

01:10:57.120 and i do

01:10:57.680 remarkably the

01:11:00.520 fda put us

01:11:01.180 on hold

01:11:01.720 when i has

01:11:02.320 to put use

01:11:02.980 that as a

01:11:03.420 booster

01:11:03.740 so to this

01:11:05.580 day nobody

01:11:06.600 could explain

01:11:07.260 the reason

01:11:07.960 during that

01:11:09.000 time frame

01:11:09.520 and so it

01:11:11.240 was never

01:11:11.580 developed

01:11:12.100 wow

01:11:13.360 what is

01:11:15.660 there any

01:11:15.920 chance it

01:11:16.320 could be

01:11:16.800 developed and

01:11:17.860 used now

01:11:18.580 because people

01:11:19.340 are still

01:11:19.760 getting the

01:11:20.760 covid boosters

01:11:21.840 we just saw

01:11:22.600 in the news

01:11:22.920 today that

01:11:23.420 moderna just

01:11:24.040 received the

01:11:24.600 full u.s.

01:11:25.460 fda approval

01:11:26.560 like it had

01:11:27.640 been on the

01:11:28.020 emergency use

01:11:28.780 authorization now

01:11:29.680 it's fully

01:11:30.060 approved they're

01:11:31.260 still pushing

01:11:32.040 this thing on

01:11:32.740 people but we

01:11:33.940 have a new

01:11:34.280 administration we

01:11:35.200 have a new

01:11:35.540 great head of

01:11:36.780 fda so is

01:11:38.200 there a chance

01:11:38.740 it still could

01:11:39.360 come come to

01:11:40.720 life the answer

01:11:42.480 is yes in fact i

01:11:43.700 was so desperate

01:11:44.400 that i'm going to

01:11:45.040 give it away

01:11:45.620 literally give it

01:11:47.260 away i actually

01:11:48.580 during covid time

01:11:49.840 had another

01:11:51.060 molecule called

01:11:51.800 the ace2 decoy

01:11:52.880 that i i approached

01:11:54.680 and i won't name

01:11:55.300 him a major

01:11:56.400 ceo and said

01:11:57.260 please take

01:11:57.920 this please

01:11:58.480 grow this

01:11:59.180 you know this

01:12:00.980 is not about

01:12:01.620 money this is

01:12:02.380 not about

01:12:02.940 um driving

01:12:04.740 more revenue

01:12:05.620 to the company

01:12:06.440 even though

01:12:07.140 moderna and

01:12:07.780 biontech and

01:12:08.460 pfizer have

01:12:09.860 really benefited

01:12:10.560 largely from

01:12:11.580 that this is

01:12:13.580 almost from a

01:12:14.840 virus versus

01:12:16.320 man and this

01:12:17.740 is for humanity

01:12:18.480 where really we

01:12:19.420 need to find a

01:12:20.220 way where what

01:12:22.240 scared me and

01:12:23.080 we can get into

01:12:23.740 this megan this

01:12:24.620 ace2 receptor

01:12:25.600 this is not a

01:12:27.160 a respiratory

01:12:28.840 virus this virus

01:12:30.980 is like cancer

01:12:31.860 this virus gets

01:12:33.660 into every part

01:12:34.600 of your body

01:12:35.280 and when it

01:12:37.460 gets there it

01:12:38.400 uses your body

01:12:39.420 as a factory

01:12:40.540 whether it

01:12:42.260 would be the

01:12:42.740 virus or whether

01:12:43.460 it be the spike

01:12:44.240 protein of this

01:12:45.800 mrna vaccine and

01:12:47.700 we'll talk a little

01:12:48.300 bit about that and

01:12:49.980 that's what scared

01:12:50.840 me and sadly

01:12:52.560 i'm now seeing

01:12:53.620 the fruits of

01:12:54.980 what this virus

01:12:55.620 is doing and

01:12:57.360 this virus has

01:12:57.980 really beaten us

01:12:59.300 we have the

01:13:00.340 opportunity to fix

01:13:01.140 it still this

01:13:02.460 administration has

01:13:03.340 the opportunity to

01:13:03.980 fix it still

01:13:04.560 the science is

01:13:06.880 complex and the

01:13:08.680 question is will

01:13:09.840 the fda even

01:13:10.720 understand the

01:13:11.580 science is the

01:13:12.860 current and old

01:13:13.720 fda equipped and

01:13:16.220 modernized

01:13:16.760 sufficiently not

01:13:19.060 and i see

01:13:20.680 marty mccary

01:13:21.340 trying to

01:13:21.840 improve the

01:13:22.440 modernization with

01:13:23.300 ai etc i think

01:13:25.340 that's wonderful

01:13:26.240 but the real

01:13:27.480 modernization this

01:13:28.660 fda needs is to

01:13:30.520 understand the

01:13:31.680 science and i

01:13:32.380 don't think this

01:13:33.020 fda has actually

01:13:34.940 grown sufficiently

01:13:36.280 fast enough with

01:13:38.220 sufficient i don't

01:13:42.180 want to say the

01:13:42.700 word intellect it

01:13:43.540 was sufficient

01:13:44.100 expertise to

01:13:46.080 understand the

01:13:46.780 evolution of the

01:13:47.560 science at the

01:13:48.140 molecular level at

01:13:49.360 the immunological

01:13:50.020 level what do you

01:13:51.720 make of drugs i

01:13:53.520 think of dr j

01:13:54.920 bhattacharya who of

01:13:55.900 course is running

01:13:56.440 nih and he too

01:13:59.160 was screwed by

01:14:01.200 francis collins

01:14:02.240 his predecessor as

01:14:03.820 i know you were

01:14:04.480 collins was afraid

01:14:06.080 of you he perceived

01:14:07.160 you as some sort of

01:14:07.800 a threat and you

01:14:09.500 discovered evidence

01:14:10.300 that he intentionally

01:14:12.100 meant to undermine

01:14:12.820 you and freeze you

01:14:13.780 out and that's

01:14:15.480 exactly what

01:14:15.900 happened to dr j

01:14:16.620 bhattacharya who

01:14:17.380 was running around

01:14:18.460 during covid wisely

01:14:19.820 saying we shouldn't

01:14:20.700 be quarantining all

01:14:22.160 healthy people we

01:14:23.080 should be doing

01:14:23.500 focused protection

01:14:24.660 protecting only the

01:14:26.120 most vulnerable and

01:14:27.000 francis collins and

01:14:28.060 fauci made it clear

01:14:28.980 they wanted to smear

01:14:30.700 him as some sort of

01:14:31.840 an extremist a fringe

01:14:33.620 uh doctor so what

01:14:35.920 about him could he be

01:14:36.860 of help i'm not

01:14:37.380 saying marty i'm not

01:14:38.300 saying marty mccary

01:14:38.920 wouldn't be helpful

01:14:39.460 to you but you're

01:14:39.980 suggesting maybe there

01:14:40.900 isn't the manpower at

01:14:41.840 the fda to actually

01:14:42.640 see this through how

01:14:43.900 about dr j

01:14:44.640 bhattacharya and

01:14:45.440 going bigger over at

01:14:46.440 the nih no i

01:14:48.280 completely i'm hopeful

01:14:49.880 of that and that's

01:14:50.700 why you know i was

01:14:51.400 very very supportive

01:14:52.240 of bobby kennedy

01:14:54.420 becoming hhs and

01:14:55.540 bringing on the right

01:14:56.760 people i've never not

01:14:58.100 yet met jay and i look

01:14:59.460 forward to meeting

01:14:59.940 him and you're

01:15:01.500 completely right and

01:15:02.400 that's one of the few

01:15:03.460 tweets i made very

01:15:04.580 sort of politically

01:15:06.980 correct that so few

01:15:08.280 people could hurt so

01:15:09.140 many uh and they

01:15:11.260 did you know the

01:15:12.540 time frame you you're

01:15:13.800 relating to is um

01:15:15.160 uh president's first

01:15:18.200 president trump's first

01:15:19.380 uh term when he was

01:15:21.500 president-elect um

01:15:23.000 apparently i was

01:15:24.920 considered and

01:15:26.280 nominated to be the

01:15:27.540 head of nih um

01:15:29.640 francis collins heard

01:15:30.780 about that and had a

01:15:32.260 very active campaign

01:15:33.560 trying to smear me um

01:15:35.800 it turned out anyway i

01:15:38.280 i i i said to the

01:15:39.460 president then i really

01:15:40.840 need to work on what

01:15:42.460 is now the bio shield

01:15:43.520 thinking he would have

01:15:45.160 two terms and then the

01:15:46.380 second term he'd be on

01:15:48.180 the path to the cure of

01:15:49.200 cancer and he didn't

01:15:51.260 win the second term but

01:15:52.260 interestingly enough

01:15:53.320 serendipitously it

01:15:54.620 allowed me more time and

01:15:55.620 we are now ready so

01:15:57.680 while the previous

01:15:59.020 administration literally

01:16:00.700 in during the biden

01:16:01.900 years we were cancelled

01:16:03.200 literally cancelled

01:16:04.280 the opportunity now to

01:16:06.800 take all the work and

01:16:08.660 put us on the path in

01:16:10.300 this administration i

01:16:11.600 think only this

01:16:12.260 administration can make

01:16:13.140 this all work we

01:16:14.400 could find the

01:16:15.100 treatment to prevent

01:16:15.960 this covid from find a

01:16:18.160 universal covid vaccine

01:16:19.460 we could actually treat

01:16:21.140 patients with long

01:16:21.880 covid and we can

01:16:22.980 actually be on the

01:16:23.680 path literally to the

01:16:24.780 cure of cancer so and

01:16:27.160 even the prevention of

01:16:28.080 cancer um it would

01:16:30.240 require really a deep

01:16:31.900 understanding of the

01:16:33.600 science but more

01:16:35.200 importantly require a

01:16:36.720 deep understanding at

01:16:38.280 the fda level

01:16:39.160 megan my fear is as

01:16:40.780 follows i know i i met

01:16:42.180 the president in riad and

01:16:43.300 i met president in

01:16:44.040 qatar and i'm watching

01:16:46.700 china really explode in

01:16:50.360 terms of their science

01:16:51.380 and my fear is as as

01:16:54.360 follows is that america

01:16:55.980 has a scientific and

01:16:57.200 intellectual lead but

01:16:59.220 china is going to beat

01:17:00.060 us and the reason

01:17:01.480 they're going to beat

01:17:02.060 us is because the

01:17:04.660 regulatory process is

01:17:06.760 completely related to

01:17:08.660 actually advancing

01:17:09.460 technology our

01:17:11.740 regulatory process is

01:17:13.620 stuck in this old

01:17:15.620 dogma and stuck in

01:17:17.940 checking the box and

01:17:19.940 stuck um with without

01:17:22.320 recognizing the science

01:17:24.000 so my fear is that we

01:17:27.160 will not only lose

01:17:28.020 jobs we will lose

01:17:29.480 the biotech industry

01:17:30.560 and we lose the

01:17:31.900 race not because we

01:17:34.140 don't have ingenuity

01:17:35.160 not because we don't

01:17:36.100 have the best brains

01:17:36.980 and the best scientists

01:17:38.040 and not because we

01:17:40.060 don't have the will uh

01:17:41.380 or the resources as

01:17:42.600 now president trump has

01:17:43.640 put forth but

01:17:46.060 because we'll have a

01:17:47.060 regulatory obstruction

01:17:47.920 when you i heard you

01:17:51.840 discussing this protocol

01:17:53.740 and how many people it's

01:17:55.100 helped already you

01:17:56.320 mentioned for example

01:17:57.320 harry reid um who

01:17:59.560 had a very bad

01:18:00.820 diagnosis and he

01:18:02.520 came to you and you

01:18:04.740 gave him this the

01:18:06.360 bio strike however we

01:18:07.680 want to refer to it

01:18:08.580 and extended his life we

01:18:10.120 believe by a couple of

01:18:11.020 years i mean it's not

01:18:11.820 it's not going to help

01:18:12.700 anybody live forever

01:18:13.500 but when you might

01:18:15.260 otherwise be facing the

01:18:16.460 end this drug actually

01:18:17.940 seems to have a proven

01:18:18.840 record you say of

01:18:21.100 extending one's life by

01:18:22.980 years well it's so

01:18:26.340 when senator reid came

01:18:28.000 to see me he already

01:18:29.800 was completed all his

01:18:32.180 standard of care and

01:18:34.420 had failed his standard

01:18:35.560 of care and then came

01:18:36.520 to see me so what we

01:18:39.260 needed to do in 2015 i

01:18:41.220 went to the fda and

01:18:42.040 said listen i have this

01:18:43.700 hypothesis that what we're

01:18:46.780 doing is completely

01:18:47.620 wrong when we give

01:18:49.800 chemotherapy we wipe out

01:18:52.420 all the natural killer

01:18:53.620 cells and t-cells when

01:18:55.500 we give radiation we

01:18:56.840 wipe out all the

01:18:57.680 natural killer cells and

01:18:58.620 t-cells and i would like

01:19:01.740 to try this in patients

01:19:05.040 before they get these

01:19:06.380 horrible treatments i.e.

01:19:08.580 at the time of diagnosis

01:19:09.720 and they said no and it's

01:19:12.500 appropriate you need to

01:19:14.640 try this first in patients

01:19:15.920 who are at the end stage

01:19:17.100 of their life so we did

01:19:19.260 this in triple negative

01:19:20.200 breast cancer patients

01:19:21.480 merkle cell cancer

01:19:22.620 patients pancreatic

01:19:23.720 cancer patients

01:19:24.520 glioblastoma patients

01:19:25.920 bladder cancer patients

01:19:27.740 all who had failed all

01:19:30.040 standards of care but by

01:19:32.100 the time they came to

01:19:32.900 see us their immune

01:19:34.080 system was completely

01:19:35.160 collapsed so we had to

01:19:37.260 start from a deep hole

01:19:38.520 but able to get them out

01:19:40.800 of the hole and then get

01:19:42.040 them into positions of

01:19:43.880 complete remission so let

01:19:46.520 me give you some

01:19:46.980 examples we got

01:19:47.880 complete remissions on

01:19:49.160 patients with merkle

01:19:49.840 cell carcinoma fifth

01:19:51.740 line and he lived for

01:19:53.120 six years and didn't die

01:19:54.220 of his cancer complete

01:19:55.800 remission of patients

01:19:56.760 with bladder cancer and

01:19:58.460 they're still alive now

01:19:59.480 10 and 11 years old

01:20:00.560 complete remissions on

01:20:02.040 triple negative breast

01:20:02.860 cancer we have

01:20:04.260 metastatic pancreatic

01:20:05.780 cancer patient with free

01:20:06.980 of disease after five

01:20:08.100 years and she's still

01:20:08.860 alive we just published

01:20:10.280 that six years out

01:20:11.500 wow so the proof of

01:20:13.880 principle has gone beyond

01:20:15.900 the proof of principle

01:20:16.800 we then got this

01:20:18.300 approved despite despite

01:20:21.020 and we'll talk about

01:20:22.220 that the problems that

01:20:23.620 they put me through from

01:20:25.080 2021 to 2024 and after

01:20:29.020 700,000 pages of

01:20:31.420 response we got it

01:20:33.920 approved late 2024 now

01:20:36.640 that this administration is

01:20:38.560 here we literally have the

01:20:41.200 opportunity to really

01:20:43.160 understand that we are on

01:20:44.700 the precipice of treating

01:20:47.300 sepsis I just saw the

01:20:49.360 results yesterday of a

01:20:50.600 patient that we treated

01:20:52.180 just last month with this

01:20:54.940 valley fever with an

01:20:57.140 inflamed lung on the

01:20:58.460 ventilator for form for

01:20:59.740 time month and the last

01:21:01.800 rites we cleared up this

01:21:03.940 lung completely we have

01:21:06.540 then patients now that we

01:21:09.180 have a bladder cancer and

01:21:10.880 for pancreatic cancer

01:21:12.280 ongoing and for lung

01:21:14.160 cancer so my frustration

01:21:16.900 is how do I get this

01:21:19.800 insight out into both the

01:21:26.020 scientific and medical

01:21:27.000 community and most

01:21:27.720 important the regology

01:21:28.560 committees so they can

01:21:30.420 understand what's at hand

01:21:32.420 and what's in at our

01:21:33.900 fingertips it's so

01:21:35.860 discouraging that this

01:21:36.860 didn't happen under the

01:21:38.420 biden administration when

01:21:40.260 biden had literally been

01:21:41.860 tasked by then

01:21:43.480 president obama to take

01:21:45.520 the cancer moonshot I

01:21:46.980 mean it was promised to

01:21:48.060 us at the state of the

01:21:48.900 union that he was going

01:21:49.900 to be the one to

01:21:50.900 spearhead the effort to

01:21:52.560 to cure cancer which

01:21:54.260 sounded like a pipe dream

01:21:55.660 of course but at least it

01:21:57.260 was a goal that seemed

01:21:58.480 like all right you know

01:21:59.360 maybe we'll see some real

01:22:00.880 advancements in the fight

01:22:02.040 and all this time later he

01:22:03.940 becomes the actual

01:22:05.120 president and you came to

01:22:07.860 them and said I've got

01:22:09.080 something and you got

01:22:10.600 nowhere and now we have

01:22:11.880 president Trump in there

01:22:12.880 and have you been stiff

01:22:14.640 armed already by the FDA

01:22:16.120 is that why you have

01:22:16.960 doubts about you know the

01:22:18.760 the scientists there now

01:22:20.180 or have you just been not

01:22:22.100 able to penetrate the wall

01:22:23.720 um I would say both

01:22:31.760 okay let's let's let's go

01:22:34.240 back a little bit in history

01:22:35.420 here the cancer moonshot

01:22:38.760 it's very interesting history

01:22:40.900 in 2015 uh when bo biden

01:22:43.460 unfortunately had uh

01:22:46.120 glioblastoma then vice

01:22:48.400 president biden asked me to

01:22:50.020 come to washington to help

01:22:51.360 him take care with kevin

01:22:53.220 johnson bo biden at the

01:22:56.040 walter reed and unfortunately

01:22:58.480 bo biden uh then passed

01:23:00.780 away uh after having

01:23:02.880 received treatment uh from a

01:23:05.960 institution from texas

01:23:07.860 the that time he then asked

01:23:12.660 me to convene a meeting uh in

01:23:15.360 his residence uh in december

01:23:17.820 2015

01:23:19.320 of what how i thought cancer

01:23:23.620 should be treated and and my

01:23:25.880 naive way which said i will

01:23:27.420 convene this meeting by

01:23:28.540 bringing all the major

01:23:29.920 pharmaceutical companies

01:23:30.860 together which i did into

01:23:32.080 that room

01:23:32.560 i'll bring the fda into that

01:23:34.920 room it was on the head of

01:23:36.260 the fda

01:23:36.760 i'll bring the national cancer

01:23:38.520 institute into that room

01:23:39.820 and he hosted this massive

01:23:42.840 meeting which um in in his

01:23:45.320 residence um as vice

01:23:47.160 president and then asked me

01:23:48.800 to chair the meeting at that

01:23:51.400 meeting everybody agreed that

01:23:53.480 we all going to be working

01:23:54.300 together because there's no one

01:23:56.260 company that had all the

01:23:58.260 resources and the technology to

01:24:00.480 fight this war on cancer and i

01:24:01.960 purported my hypothesis that we're

01:24:04.440 going to change from chemotherapy

01:24:06.200 and radiation into the immune

01:24:08.700 system

01:24:09.200 he agreed that i can announce the

01:24:12.860 um cancer moonshot on january i

01:24:16.880 think 15th i forget what 12th um

01:24:20.760 of the next year which i then put out

01:24:24.560 an article to the new york times

01:24:26.040 francis collins heard about that

01:24:29.280 i announced the moonshot on monday

01:24:32.500 on tuesday or that evening or monday

01:24:36.800 tuesday night i forget the dates

01:24:39.200 uh president obama announced the

01:24:42.480 second moonshot with biden as the

01:24:44.760 head and francis collins running

01:24:46.300 that it didn't matter to me that

01:24:48.680 there now were two moonshots because

01:24:50.980 my goal was to actually find the cure

01:24:53.620 um so i think what happened thereafter

01:24:58.740 the big pharma companies pulled out

01:25:01.620 um for whatever motivation and thank

01:25:06.500 god i had the resources just to pursue

01:25:08.680 it myself to keep going oh i mean i

01:25:11.200 think we can safely assume it was

01:25:12.760 pressure from francis collins that's

01:25:14.460 my assumption because he's a bully we

01:25:16.560 saw that behind the scenes during

01:25:17.860 covid many many times he got drunk on

01:25:20.400 his own power he felt like he was a

01:25:23.000 god he would make or break careers he

01:25:25.640 would dictate what was happening in in

01:25:27.380 big pharma and there's no reason not

01:25:30.380 to assume he did the same thing to you

01:25:32.320 if you were on parallel paths toward

01:25:34.120 the cancer moonshot this is my

01:25:35.940 supposition but in my opinion he's a

01:25:38.880 villain

01:25:39.180 well i actually interesting not because

01:25:44.020 i did it somebody sent me a freedom

01:25:46.120 information act email in which he he in

01:25:50.640 his email said the alarms bell's going on

01:25:53.620 that patrick soon chung is going to be

01:25:54.960 hit of NIH you must find a way to stop

01:25:56.760 him

01:25:57.020 that's what the

01:25:59.560 one bit not surprised one bit

01:26:02.160 and that's why i said you get drunk with

01:26:04.580 power i completely agree with you get

01:26:06.120 drunk with power

01:26:06.880 and the idea of what happens in

01:26:10.320 washington you have this power over so

01:26:12.480 many

01:26:12.840 but really at the end of the day i'm

01:26:16.980 pursuing

01:26:17.300 my life as a as a physician scientist

01:26:19.700 and the greatest joy for me is to sort

01:26:22.220 of see

01:26:22.620 the the impact as i'm really seeing you

01:26:25.640 know look i'm still seeing patients i'm

01:26:27.100 sure if you realize megan but i we have a

01:26:29.100 clinic and i still see patients

01:26:30.340 and to me the greatest joy

01:26:32.200 and also the greatest fear i'm now seeing

01:26:34.740 younger and younger patients

01:26:36.320 the last two weeks ago i saw three women

01:26:39.280 in my clinic simultaneously they're all in

01:26:41.620 the 30s 31 30 31 with severe cancers

01:26:45.240 what kind of cancer so

01:26:47.280 they're lung cancer breast cancer and

01:26:51.640 brain tumor

01:26:52.180 oh my god three different cancers

01:26:54.320 why why is this i mean i know that's a

01:26:57.640 longer question but why

01:26:58.820 are so many young people developing such

01:27:00.920 aggressive cancers nowadays

01:27:02.140 i have a theory and right now

01:27:08.520 it's i'm sort of 90 percent sure of the

01:27:12.680 theory i'm not 100 sure so i'm a

01:27:14.600 scientist so

01:27:15.200 i'm calling it a theory i was always

01:27:18.540 fearful

01:27:18.960 that this virus and even this vaccine

01:27:23.360 could actually be persistent in your

01:27:28.160 body

01:27:28.500 like hpv you know there are viruses that

01:27:32.440 are oncogenic like hepatitis you would

01:27:34.660 understand that

01:27:35.520 there's hpv you would understand that

01:27:38.360 but this is a very different virus because

01:27:41.120 it has a thing called ace2 receptor

01:27:42.920 which means it's in places like your colon

01:27:47.760 your muscle your blood vessel your heart

01:27:50.300 but more importantly we now begin to

01:27:54.280 discover

01:27:54.820 remember that you have even more proteins in

01:27:59.700 your body

01:28:00.240 or enzymes in your body

01:28:02.240 that cleaves the spike protein and allows

01:28:06.320 even more entry into every part of your

01:28:08.620 body

01:28:08.980 specifically the prostate the colon the

01:28:13.040 pancreas and we'll talk a little bit

01:28:14.420 about that

01:28:15.020 so is this unfortunately what i said to

01:28:19.360 tucker colson

01:28:20.340 the non-infectious pandemic that we begin to

01:28:23.940 see this non-infectious pandemic of cancer

01:28:27.900 i believe sadly is upon us

01:28:30.620 the good news thank god we have a solution

01:28:34.560 for these things

01:28:35.400 keep going

01:28:37.640 no i i'm i'm good i i think

01:28:40.700 it really bothers me as you could sort of

01:28:43.580 see i i'm frustrated but also scared at the

01:28:47.240 same time

01:28:47.880 that you know cancer is a war against time

01:28:50.840 we do not have time but we have the the

01:28:54.060 insight

01:28:54.520 i i just hope that somehow somewhere and

01:28:58.020 hopefully i'll have

01:28:59.520 secretary kennedy host a scientific meeting

01:29:04.140 a real i mean we have been driven by the

01:29:06.740 science

01:29:07.180 and the science is so complex because it's

01:29:10.720 very fundamental basic immunology

01:29:13.240 fundamental basic immunology

01:29:15.280 crossed over with virology

01:29:17.520 crossed over with oncology

01:29:19.400 um and you're a lawyer so you would understand that

01:29:23.680 you have great specialties within their fields

01:29:26.700 and you have generalists

01:29:28.520 but this is so deep it's broad and deep

01:29:32.300 and has implications all the way through

01:29:35.900 that is now i wouldn't call it existential

01:29:40.140 but could affect tens of millions billions

01:29:44.120 of people

01:29:45.640 on the planet

01:29:46.800 just to just to back up

01:29:48.280 because you're talking about the covid virus

01:29:50.320 can this be happening

01:29:51.820 this this problem that you

01:29:54.220 outlined in inside of our bodies

01:29:56.560 including young people's bodies

01:29:58.420 as a result of

01:30:00.100 both covid

01:30:01.320 and the vaccine

01:30:02.820 will both of those do it

01:30:04.240 or do people who have had covid

01:30:06.140 but not the vaccine

01:30:07.720 not need to worry

01:30:09.700 it is fundamental the spike protein

01:30:13.520 so where does the spike protein come from

01:30:16.240 whether you have vaccination

01:30:17.360 or whether you have

01:30:18.900 the infection

01:30:20.860 so this spike protein

01:30:23.300 on the surface of this virus

01:30:25.980 or given through a lipid nanoparticle

01:30:29.120 in mRNA

01:30:30.660 is the same issue

01:30:33.220 so fundamentally

01:30:35.760 that's the issue

01:30:37.060 the issue is the spike protein

01:30:38.600 now the spike protein

01:30:40.860 gets a little more complex

01:30:41.960 there's a thing called S1 and S2

01:30:43.840 where the tip of the spear is S1

01:30:46.180 and that tip of the spear

01:30:48.200 is what actually binds to the receptor

01:30:50.120 of the cell membrane

01:30:52.200 of your body

01:30:53.000 that has S2

01:30:54.020 and gets into the cell

01:30:55.760 so whatever delivers

01:30:58.980 that spike protein

01:31:00.080 whether it be infection

01:31:01.240 or the vaccine

01:31:02.040 to every part of your body

01:31:03.900 when you put it into

01:31:04.920 a lipid nanoparticle

01:31:05.960 that can go all over the place

01:31:07.900 including across the brain

01:31:09.000 so

01:31:10.420 I do know

01:31:14.060 that there's evidence

01:31:15.020 that people

01:31:16.280 have long covid

01:31:17.520 having never got an infection

01:31:19.460 because you can measure

01:31:21.220 the thing called

01:31:21.920 the nucleocapsid antibody

01:31:23.800 in their blood

01:31:24.700 and the nucleocapsid

01:31:26.900 only comes from the virus

01:31:28.160 and if you just have

01:31:30.180 long covid

01:31:30.940 with no nucleocapsid

01:31:32.040 and all you had

01:31:33.060 was a vaccine

01:31:33.820 then the long covid

01:31:35.120 comes from the vaccine

01:31:36.160 so there's a scientific way

01:31:38.440 of differentiating

01:31:39.900 to

01:31:40.380 so the

01:31:41.620 short answer is

01:31:43.100 both

01:31:43.680 because both

01:31:44.340 create a spike protein

01:31:45.420 then the question is

01:31:46.940 yes

01:31:47.820 keep going

01:31:48.340 then the question is

01:31:50.120 what's happening

01:31:50.620 to that spike protein

01:31:51.680 and that's another

01:31:53.280 lengthy

01:31:54.440 basic

01:31:55.480 fundamental

01:31:56.280 cellular

01:31:57.320 immunological question

01:31:58.900 if I wave my magic wand

01:32:00.140 and I make you head of

01:32:01.440 FDA

01:32:02.520 let's just go for

01:32:04.200 health and human services

01:32:05.080 you're in charge of all of it

01:32:06.460 tomorrow

01:32:07.580 would you say

01:32:09.400 we're bringing this to market

01:32:11.560 and

01:32:12.500 anyone

01:32:13.320 who's had covid

01:32:14.320 or the covid vaccine

01:32:15.660 should

01:32:16.660 take this jab

01:32:17.600 take my jab

01:32:18.340 this bio strike thing

01:32:19.400 the answer to that

01:32:22.260 is already on the market

01:32:23.360 crazy enough

01:32:24.820 for bladder cancer

01:32:25.720 it's already

01:32:26.940 in the package insert

01:32:28.240 that this is the only drug

01:32:29.700 on the planet

01:32:30.240 in the history of medicine

01:32:31.760 it's in the package insert

01:32:34.120 section 7.1

01:32:35.880 of the FDA

01:32:37.100 of the 2024

01:32:37.740 approved

01:32:38.400 that it's the only molecule

01:32:39.820 on the planet

01:32:40.660 that

01:32:40.980 upregulates

01:32:42.080 the natural killer cell

01:32:43.040 T cell

01:32:43.540 and memory T cell

01:32:44.480 so that's what's frustrating

01:32:46.760 to me

01:32:47.280 and

01:32:49.180 we got expanded access

01:32:51.600 and

01:32:52.540 after

01:32:52.920 wait I didn't hear you say yes

01:32:54.340 are you worried

01:32:54.920 is there a downside

01:32:55.840 to taking this

01:32:56.680 that you would say

01:32:57.800 no not yet

01:32:58.780 I would not recommend that

01:32:59.800 I'm not hesitating

01:33:03.720 to say yes

01:33:04.500 the answer is yes

01:33:05.620 but

01:33:05.920 I don't want to be

01:33:07.340 perceived as

01:33:08.460 you ask a question

01:33:09.880 in a way that

01:33:10.720 puts me in a difficult position

01:33:12.360 because I am the founder

01:33:13.820 and developer of that drug

01:33:15.120 I'd want anybody

01:33:17.060 to use anything

01:33:18.520 even

01:33:19.720 whether it be mine

01:33:20.540 or anybody else's

01:33:21.580 the fact that

01:33:22.940 ours is available

01:33:23.940 the answer is yes

01:33:25.060 but if there's

01:33:26.020 an ACE2 decoy available

01:33:27.360 the answer is yes

01:33:28.240 there's another

01:33:28.900 like is this something

01:33:29.960 you give to your family

01:33:31.060 your children

01:33:32.300 like

01:33:33.060 you would

01:33:33.900 is that something

01:33:35.260 you would do

01:33:35.660 I'm not talking

01:33:37.220 about my family

01:33:37.800 but I am

01:33:38.680 telling you that

01:33:39.440 we have T cells

01:33:40.040 against COVID

01:33:41.780 so

01:33:44.740 so

01:33:45.120 can the T

01:33:45.940 so this T cell

01:33:46.760 you're saying

01:33:47.280 can solve the problem

01:33:49.000 for people

01:33:49.620 like I've

01:33:50.140 I've said openly

01:33:50.980 that I started

01:33:52.660 testing positive

01:33:53.460 for an autoimmune issue

01:33:55.440 following

01:33:56.320 getting

01:33:57.200 the COVID

01:33:58.100 vaccine

01:33:58.820 and then COVID

01:33:59.940 within three weeks

01:34:01.140 of each other

01:34:01.620 and ever since

01:34:02.700 I've had

01:34:03.220 a positive test

01:34:04.100 for autoimmune

01:34:04.780 though it's unspecified

01:34:05.940 they don't know

01:34:06.540 exactly what it is

01:34:07.520 so I mean

01:34:08.500 I've been very interested

01:34:09.820 in undoing that somehow

01:34:11.540 but I don't know how

01:34:12.660 but I know

01:34:13.660 others are suffering

01:34:14.780 with this

01:34:15.760 just from having

01:34:16.760 had COVID

01:34:17.500 so I mean

01:34:19.180 I think there are

01:34:19.600 a lot of people

01:34:20.180 who like

01:34:20.780 can the damage

01:34:21.900 that we did

01:34:22.480 to ourselves

01:34:23.040 either by getting

01:34:24.220 a vaccine

01:34:24.780 or by getting

01:34:25.860 COVID

01:34:26.300 can it be undone

01:34:27.800 yes

01:34:28.880 the answer is

01:34:30.060 I believe so

01:34:31.040 so let me explain

01:34:31.800 that to you

01:34:32.400 the fundamental

01:34:34.920 problem

01:34:36.140 with the current

01:34:37.860 vaccines

01:34:38.560 is it does not

01:34:39.780 clear the virus

01:34:40.680 by that it means

01:34:41.640 the vaccine

01:34:42.780 will block

01:34:43.340 something

01:34:43.740 but the virus

01:34:44.340 will go into

01:34:44.840 the cell

01:34:45.360 the next

01:34:46.620 fundamental problem

01:34:47.620 which has now

01:34:48.100 been proven

01:34:48.740 and I funded

01:34:49.860 that science

01:34:50.680 at the University

01:34:51.320 of California

01:34:51.860 Center in Frisco

01:34:52.660 that this virus

01:34:55.440 at the spike level

01:34:56.860 persists in your body

01:34:58.580 in the cells

01:34:59.500 even to the extent

01:35:01.040 that now

01:35:01.720 at Harvard

01:35:02.440 there's a research

01:35:03.520 that discovered

01:35:04.140 that the spike protein

01:35:05.820 is in the blood

01:35:06.600 and when you have

01:35:08.880 this abnormal

01:35:09.680 protein

01:35:10.340 and with an

01:35:11.580 abnormal RNA

01:35:12.540 in your body

01:35:15.940 your body

01:35:16.860 will find a way

01:35:17.660 to create antibodies

01:35:18.660 to try and

01:35:19.460 block that

01:35:20.940 and this is the

01:35:21.740 onset of autoimmune

01:35:22.800 disease

01:35:23.340 the combination

01:35:24.840 of persistence

01:35:26.160 inflammation

01:35:27.700 and one more thing

01:35:29.640 the loss of a thing

01:35:30.880 called P53

01:35:31.760 which is in your body

01:35:33.440 to protect you

01:35:34.500 from having cancer

01:35:35.460 that triple whammy

01:35:37.420 is a prelude

01:35:39.480 to cancer

01:35:40.500 that triple whammy

01:35:42.240 is a prelude

01:35:43.140 to autoimmune disease

01:35:44.340 that prelude

01:35:45.780 is a prelude

01:35:46.460 to brain fog

01:35:47.420 so is the answer

01:35:49.340 to find a system

01:35:51.380 that upregulates

01:35:52.660 your NK cells

01:35:53.540 and T cells

01:35:54.340 and clears

01:35:55.360 your body

01:35:56.320 those cells

01:35:57.940 of this

01:35:58.680 infected

01:35:59.660 spike protein

01:36:01.000 so that is

01:36:03.060 what we are

01:36:03.640 embarking upon

01:36:04.860 on the treatment

01:36:05.500 of long COVID

01:36:06.200 and I'm pleased

01:36:07.760 to say that

01:36:08.640 within the next

01:36:09.560 couple of weeks

01:36:10.520 our trial

01:36:11.500 will be open

01:36:12.280 where people

01:36:13.740 with long COVID

01:36:14.540 could come

01:36:16.580 and get the jab

01:36:17.340 wow

01:36:18.560 but

01:36:19.760 the fundamental

01:36:21.080 thing

01:36:21.900 Megan

01:36:22.540 is

01:36:23.020 the world

01:36:24.220 needs to recognize

01:36:25.240 that we've

01:36:27.980 gone down

01:36:28.400 the wrong

01:36:28.760 assumptions

01:36:29.260 for 75 years

01:36:30.620 we have

01:36:32.080 thought

01:36:32.500 that we

01:36:33.160 could

01:36:33.400 using

01:36:34.160 tools of

01:36:35.860 war

01:36:36.220 poisons

01:36:37.480 like nitrogen

01:36:38.660 gas

01:36:39.140 and that

01:36:40.100 became the

01:36:40.820 chemotherapy

01:36:41.320 poisons

01:36:42.060 like radiation

01:36:42.980 that if we

01:36:44.200 could nuke

01:36:44.760 the tumor

01:36:45.380 without

01:36:46.720 killing the

01:36:47.420 person

01:36:47.880 we would be

01:36:49.480 able to win

01:36:50.040 the war

01:36:50.540 we're nuking

01:36:51.860 the tumor

01:36:52.400 and we're

01:36:52.860 nuking

01:36:53.300 the natural

01:36:54.000 killer cells

01:36:54.600 and T cells

01:36:55.340 now think

01:36:56.860 of this

01:36:57.200 vicious cycle

01:36:57.940 we give

01:36:59.820 chemotherapy

01:37:00.380 we give

01:37:01.260 radiation

01:37:01.880 we do

01:37:03.500 a CBC

01:37:04.120 we see

01:37:05.840 that oh my

01:37:06.440 goodness

01:37:06.700 you have

01:37:07.500 anemia

01:37:07.980 because we

01:37:08.580 created that

01:37:09.400 now there's

01:37:11.280 a drug

01:37:11.600 called

01:37:11.940 epigen

01:37:12.740 we give

01:37:13.500 you the

01:37:13.800 epigen

01:37:14.280 so that you

01:37:15.320 can get

01:37:15.640 more chemotherapy

01:37:16.600 so that

01:37:17.160 we can wipe

01:37:17.600 out more

01:37:17.940 NK and T

01:37:18.580 cells

01:37:19.000 we then

01:37:20.720 look at

01:37:21.480 the patient

01:37:21.920 CBC

01:37:22.400 again and

01:37:23.000 says oh my

01:37:23.500 goodness

01:37:23.860 you've lost

01:37:24.480 your neutrophils

01:37:25.320 there's another

01:37:26.440 drug called

01:37:26.980 neupogen

01:37:27.400 which we

01:37:28.460 give so

01:37:29.500 that we

01:37:29.760 can give

01:37:30.020 you more

01:37:30.320 chemotherapy

01:37:30.860 so that

01:37:31.320 you can

01:37:31.500 wipe out

01:37:31.860 more

01:37:32.100 lymphocytes

01:37:32.880 and NK

01:37:33.320 cells

01:37:33.760 think of

01:37:34.740 that madness

01:37:35.380 that we've

01:37:36.660 been doing

01:37:37.260 if we

01:37:39.200 said why

01:37:40.420 don't you

01:37:40.680 go do

01:37:41.220 leaching

01:37:42.260 you know

01:37:42.720 use leeches

01:37:43.440 I think

01:37:45.520 20 years

01:37:46.200 from now

01:37:46.540 maybe less

01:37:47.720 we'll say

01:37:48.560 why were

01:37:49.200 we doing

01:37:49.600 that to

01:37:50.020 the patient's

01:37:51.260 body

01:37:51.580 when you

01:37:52.580 go to

01:37:53.120 the FDA

01:37:53.900 guess how

01:37:55.520 they ask

01:37:55.880 you to

01:37:56.120 develop

01:37:56.420 the drug

01:37:56.920 they use

01:37:58.640 this term

01:37:59.020 called

01:37:59.280 MTD

01:38:00.520 what is

01:38:01.000 MTD

01:38:01.620 maximum

01:38:02.400 tolerated

01:38:03.160 dose

01:38:03.640 find the

01:38:05.520 maximum

01:38:05.940 tolerated

01:38:06.560 dose

01:38:06.980 that's

01:38:07.440 the dose

01:38:07.920 that we

01:38:08.260 want you

01:38:08.640 to give

01:38:09.040 just below

01:38:09.860 the maximum

01:38:10.360 tolerated

01:38:10.880 dose

01:38:11.260 that's the

01:38:12.940 current

01:38:13.360 thinking of

01:38:14.080 the FDA

01:38:14.540 it's not

01:38:15.420 talking about

01:38:15.800 any human

01:38:16.320 being

01:38:16.640 there are

01:38:17.020 some people

01:38:17.500 there

01:38:17.800 that's still

01:38:18.580 perpetuating

01:38:19.280 that

01:38:19.840 they're still

01:38:20.720 there

01:38:21.080 then they

01:38:22.840 say

01:38:23.220 okay

01:38:24.020 because this

01:38:24.860 maximum

01:38:25.180 tolerated

01:38:25.540 dose

01:38:25.740 is going

01:38:25.900 to nuke

01:38:26.260 it

01:38:26.440 we look

01:38:27.760 at the

01:38:28.020 response

01:38:28.560 rate

01:38:28.940 meaning

01:38:29.400 the

01:38:30.320 shrinkage

01:38:30.720 of the

01:38:30.980 tumor

01:38:31.260 well do

01:38:32.700 you want

01:38:32.980 to look

01:38:33.240 at the

01:38:33.740 overall

01:38:34.020 survival

01:38:34.500 because the

01:38:35.260 tumor will

01:38:35.720 shrink but

01:38:36.120 the patient

01:38:36.500 will die

01:38:37.080 no we're

01:38:38.380 not really

01:38:38.820 interested in

01:38:39.520 overall survival

01:38:40.260 as an

01:38:40.640 end point

01:38:41.140 can you

01:38:41.640 imagine

01:38:41.880 that

01:38:42.200 that is

01:38:43.080 today's

01:38:43.460 thinking

01:38:43.840 I can

01:38:44.980 imagine it

01:38:45.900 because that

01:38:46.480 seems to be

01:38:46.900 our choice

01:38:47.960 seems to be

01:38:48.440 a willing

01:38:48.740 choice

01:38:49.100 because we've

01:38:50.080 gone so long

01:38:50.800 without making

01:38:51.400 much progress

01:38:52.300 on the

01:38:52.980 cancer front

01:38:53.560 and I

01:38:54.240 naively

01:38:55.080 believed

01:38:55.660 with the

01:38:56.100 covid vaccine

01:38:56.740 that if there

01:38:57.400 were some

01:38:58.060 negative consequence

01:38:58.960 to it

01:38:59.500 and I realize

01:39:00.440 you're telling

01:39:00.840 me to

01:39:01.540 covid too

01:39:02.100 but I

01:39:02.580 thought with

01:39:02.940 the vaccine

01:39:03.460 that was

01:39:03.760 man-made

01:39:04.360 well so

01:39:05.340 is the

01:39:05.620 covid virus

01:39:07.080 that the

01:39:09.260 pharmaceutical

01:39:09.860 companies that

01:39:10.520 had created

01:39:11.060 it would be

01:39:11.640 first in

01:39:12.340 line

01:39:12.720 to fix

01:39:13.660 it

01:39:13.880 that they

01:39:14.480 would be

01:39:14.800 the ones

01:39:15.280 coming up

01:39:16.180 with

01:39:16.340 biostrike

01:39:16.940 because

01:39:17.380 they'd say

01:39:18.560 oh no

01:39:19.060 look what

01:39:19.680 we did

01:39:20.060 we helped

01:39:20.700 unleash

01:39:21.060 this thing

01:39:21.580 into people's

01:39:22.280 blood

01:39:22.540 and it's

01:39:22.960 affecting

01:39:23.300 the brain

01:39:24.080 barrier

01:39:24.360 and everything

01:39:24.700 and they

01:39:25.480 haven't

01:39:25.840 they don't

01:39:26.360 acknowledge

01:39:26.780 that there's

01:39:27.220 a problem

01:39:27.640 whatsoever

01:39:28.100 they're still

01:39:28.640 just pushing

01:39:29.200 27

01:39:30.140 boosters

01:39:31.400 on the same

01:39:32.340 people

01:39:32.780 they've

01:39:33.440 you know

01:39:34.060 jabbed

01:39:34.560 to begin

01:39:34.940 with

01:39:35.140 well

01:39:36.000 what's

01:39:36.320 what's so

01:39:36.620 what's so

01:39:37.980 disappointing

01:39:38.840 very early

01:39:40.180 on they

01:39:40.560 knew about

01:39:40.920 the myocarditis

01:39:41.820 that's really

01:39:43.660 disappointing

01:39:44.180 they really

01:39:44.800 they knew

01:39:45.280 about that

01:39:45.840 very early

01:39:46.940 on I

01:39:47.520 wrote letters

01:39:48.060 and emails

01:39:48.700 to Fauci

01:39:49.540 in 2020

01:39:50.880 21

01:39:51.560 that we

01:39:52.920 have

01:39:53.060 lymphopenia

01:39:53.760 that we

01:39:55.200 don't clear

01:39:55.540 the virus

01:39:56.100 very early

01:39:56.980 on they

01:39:57.360 knew they

01:39:57.720 didn't clear

01:39:58.080 the virus

01:39:58.600 but you

01:40:00.300 know you

01:40:00.580 had the

01:40:00.880 perception

01:40:01.280 it was

01:40:01.560 95%

01:40:02.420 efficacious

01:40:03.720 which it

01:40:04.140 wasn't

01:40:05.360 so

01:40:06.160 there's

01:40:07.260 a lot

01:40:07.560 of you

01:40:07.960 know

01:40:08.080 perverse

01:40:08.800 incentives

01:40:09.300 here

01:40:09.840 and

01:40:10.500 and I

01:40:12.840 think we

01:40:13.100 just need

01:40:13.440 to recognize

01:40:14.040 unfortunately

01:40:14.720 the consequences

01:40:15.740 of it now

01:40:16.420 but there's

01:40:17.440 a chance

01:40:17.800 to fix it

01:40:18.280 he needed

01:40:18.680 a pardon

01:40:19.660 that's why

01:40:20.180 he needed

01:40:20.460 a pardon

01:40:20.840 do you

01:40:21.700 do you

01:40:22.500 have thoughts

01:40:22.880 on you

01:40:23.280 treated

01:40:23.700 bo

01:40:24.000 biden

01:40:24.660 or tried

01:40:25.560 to help

01:40:25.840 the family

01:40:26.260 when he

01:40:26.560 was suffering

01:40:27.020 with glioblastoma

01:40:28.140 what do you

01:40:29.260 make of

01:40:29.640 joe biden's

01:40:30.760 statement

01:40:32.520 that he

01:40:33.060 had

01:40:33.440 prostate

01:40:33.880 cancer

01:40:34.280 that you

01:40:34.780 know now

01:40:35.040 it's aggressive

01:40:35.540 bone cancer

01:40:36.360 metastatic

01:40:37.620 you know

01:40:39.480 obviously I

01:40:40.240 don't know

01:40:40.500 the details

01:40:41.040 and

01:40:41.820 I'm

01:40:44.900 I don't

01:40:45.900 know if

01:40:46.060 you just

01:40:46.340 saw

01:40:46.640 we are

01:40:47.700 now seeing

01:40:48.260 prostate

01:40:48.620 cancer

01:40:49.100 in 40

01:40:50.340 and 50

01:40:50.760 year old

01:40:51.120 kids

01:40:51.960 and

01:40:53.580 there is

01:40:54.880 I'm coming

01:40:55.940 back to

01:40:56.320 the spike

01:40:56.720 protein

01:40:57.200 there is

01:40:58.900 a enzyme

01:40:59.860 in the

01:41:00.520 prostate

01:41:00.880 called

01:41:01.820 Tempris

01:41:02.380 there is

01:41:03.340 a protein

01:41:03.760 in your

01:41:04.240 body

01:41:04.660 in the

01:41:05.300 prostate

01:41:05.660 and the

01:41:06.640 colon

01:41:06.900 in different

01:41:07.680 parts of

01:41:08.060 the body

01:41:08.500 that helps

01:41:10.140 to actually

01:41:11.200 cleave that

01:41:12.100 spike protein

01:41:13.000 and get it

01:41:14.420 into those

01:41:15.120 cells of

01:41:15.960 your body

01:41:16.480 faster

01:41:18.440 so now

01:41:20.460 you have

01:41:21.060 a triple

01:41:21.520 whammy

01:41:21.980 of this

01:41:22.720 turbo

01:41:23.380 cancers

01:41:23.900 and this

01:41:25.160 aggressive

01:41:25.540 cancers

01:41:26.040 so I

01:41:27.860 just spoke

01:41:28.280 to Dr.

01:41:28.880 Dan

01:41:29.060 Petulik

01:41:29.600 who was

01:41:29.940 at Yale

01:41:32.280 a urologist

01:41:34.420 who's seeing

01:41:35.160 very aggressive

01:41:36.220 germline tumors

01:41:39.400 very aggressive

01:41:40.200 prostate cancers

01:41:41.120 in young

01:41:41.560 people

01:41:41.980 did you

01:41:42.880 say 40

01:41:43.720 or 50

01:41:44.200 or did

01:41:44.500 you say

01:41:44.780 14

01:41:45.460 and 15

01:41:46.360 in prostate

01:41:49.320 cancer

01:41:49.680 40

01:41:50.020 or 50

01:41:50.580 in colon

01:41:51.260 cancer

01:41:51.760 we see

01:41:52.260 in colon

01:41:52.660 cancer

01:41:53.040 in 10

01:41:53.580 year old

01:41:54.100 11

01:41:54.360 year old

01:41:54.660 and 12

01:41:55.020 year olds

01:41:55.400 that's

01:41:57.040 horrifying

01:41:57.480 and that's

01:41:59.360 what's so

01:41:59.700 scary

01:42:00.040 right

01:42:00.460 because

01:42:00.860 we need

01:42:02.200 to pull

01:42:03.020 our heads

01:42:03.480 out of

01:42:03.880 the sand

01:42:04.480 and try

01:42:07.160 to understand

01:42:08.280 what's going

01:42:08.840 on

01:42:09.260 and not

01:42:10.800 get into

01:42:12.140 this

01:42:12.760 regulatory

01:42:14.480 political

01:42:15.520 issue

01:42:16.400 or fight

01:42:17.000 and say

01:42:17.940 listen

01:42:18.260 we

01:42:18.740 we

01:42:19.360 got to

01:42:19.900 pull

01:42:20.040 together

01:42:20.440 and really

01:42:21.120 look at

01:42:21.660 solutions

01:42:22.300 now

01:42:22.780 and time

01:42:23.820 is not

01:42:24.160 on our

01:42:24.480 side

01:42:24.920 all right

01:42:26.220 now

01:42:26.520 we're up

01:42:27.520 against the

01:42:27.920 end of

01:42:28.240 our time

01:42:28.920 on

01:42:29.440 Sirius XM

01:42:30.300 but I have

01:42:31.160 to say

01:42:31.460 the following

01:42:32.060 number one

01:42:33.000 we'll talk

01:42:33.440 about the LA

01:42:33.880 Times another

01:42:34.340 time this

01:42:34.780 is too

01:42:35.040 important

01:42:35.360 this is far

01:42:35.800 more important

01:42:36.260 than media

01:42:36.720 number two

01:42:38.220 I know

01:42:39.740 all those

01:42:40.260 characters

01:42:40.960 we just

01:42:41.400 discussed

01:42:41.780 I know

01:42:42.140 Marty

01:42:42.540 I know

01:42:43.360 Jay

01:42:43.900 and I

01:42:45.140 know

01:42:45.600 Bobby

01:42:46.080 Kennedy

01:42:46.380 who I

01:42:46.660 know

01:42:46.740 you also

01:42:47.100 know

01:42:47.220 I'm going

01:42:47.600 to personally

01:42:48.320 contact all

01:42:49.060 three of

01:42:49.460 them and

01:42:50.340 do what I

01:42:50.740 can to

01:42:51.220 help you

01:42:52.080 get this

01:42:53.040 in and

01:42:54.340 get the

01:42:55.020 government

01:42:55.260 involved in

01:42:55.880 helping you

01:42:56.360 because this

01:42:56.900 is the

01:42:57.180 cancer moonshot

01:42:57.940 and you've

01:42:58.320 got it

01:42:58.680 like we're

01:42:59.320 well on

01:43:00.120 our way

01:43:00.600 so that's

01:43:02.020 what I'll

01:43:02.240 do and I

01:43:02.980 will do

01:43:03.340 anything else

01:43:03.960 I can to

01:43:04.380 help you

01:43:04.680 doc I'm

01:43:05.740 in awe

01:43:06.100 I'm in awe

01:43:06.560 of what

01:43:06.760 you've done

01:43:07.180 and I'm

01:43:08.000 also deeply

01:43:09.000 saddened that

01:43:09.600 you haven't

01:43:09.980 had a red

01:43:10.360 carpet rolled

01:43:10.900 out for you

01:43:11.400 thank you

01:43:12.540 for doing

01:43:13.340 this

01:43:13.720 well thank

01:43:16.500 you thank

01:43:16.980 you very

01:43:17.260 much and

01:43:17.720 and you've

01:43:18.680 now gone

01:43:19.020 from bio

01:43:19.420 shield to

01:43:19.820 bio strike

01:43:20.320 so Tucker

01:43:20.780 called it

01:43:21.540 bio shield

01:43:21.980 and you're

01:43:22.260 calling it

01:43:22.600 bio strike

01:43:23.100 we call it

01:43:24.360 both

01:43:24.660 I kind of

01:43:27.100 like bio

01:43:27.500 strike that

01:43:27.960 might be

01:43:28.220 better to

01:43:29.220 combat the

01:43:30.360 strike protein

01:43:30.980 among other

01:43:31.480 things thank

01:43:32.340 you thanks doc

01:43:33.340 and I hope

01:43:33.940 we talk again

01:43:34.540 will do

01:43:35.600 thank you

01:43:36.140 wow

01:43:37.260 wow

01:43:38.000 what an

01:43:38.320 unbelievable

01:43:38.680 story

01:43:39.060 unbelievable

01:43:39.500 man

01:43:39.960 we'll have

01:43:41.480 Kelly's court

01:43:41.900 tomorrow

01:43:42.180 we'll see

01:43:42.640 you then

01:43:42.900 thanks for

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01:43:50.600 are you numb

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