The Megyn Kelly Show - Inside the GOP and Democratic Ground Game in Pennsylvania and Other Swing States, with Scott Presler and David Callahan ｜ Ep. 906

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.540 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.780 With just over one month to go before Election Day, the latest stats show nearly one million votes have already been cast.

00:00:54.540 We've been talking a lot on the show about the battleground states that will likely determine the next president

00:00:59.040 and ground game. Who's got a better ground game in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

00:01:08.960 Perhaps no state is more important, as you know, in this election than Pennsylvania with its 19 electoral votes.

00:01:13.760 And the latest polling there shows the race is tied.

00:01:18.460 The real clear politics average, 48.2 to 48.2.

00:01:23.600 Oh, M.G.

00:01:25.260 So we really want to drill down on the get out the vote effort on both sides.

00:01:31.140 How are both parties getting ready to get voters out to the polls and to vote for Team Red or Team Blue?

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00:01:49.980 And we begin the show with Scott Pressler, founder and executive director of Early Vote Action.

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00:03:06.580 Scott, welcome to the show.

00:03:08.300 Hey, thank you, Megan.

00:03:09.780 Yeah, thanks for being here.

00:03:10.800 All right, so all you hear is that the Democrats are the ones with the amazing ground game,

00:03:16.040 and the Republicans, less so.

00:03:18.900 And that Trump hasn't been pushing early voting enough, so the Republicans are too dependent on day of voting,

00:03:25.680 whereas the Democrats will have banked millions of votes prior to then.

00:03:30.100 I'll give you just one stat.

00:03:31.840 We are looking at the number of early votes already cast in the states that allow early voting.

00:03:37.280 NBC News reports today that, as of right now, it's just short of 1,887,207 mail-in and early in-person votes have been cast nationally.

00:03:50.640 So far, 52% of those are from registered Dems, 31% from registered Republicans, 17% other.

00:03:58.160 So what are you seeing, thinking, and feeling about the Republicans' ground game?

00:04:05.880 Thank you, Megan.

00:04:06.940 Well, again, my organization is Early Vote Action, and all of our time, talent, and energy is going just to the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

00:04:15.940 We have a seat director.

00:04:18.200 We have 50, 5-0 paid field staff on the ground all across Pennsylvania's 67 counties.

00:04:25.700 And I want to dispel any myths right here and now that there is no ground game.

00:04:31.120 I'm a data guy, so let's go over the numbers for a second, Megan.

00:04:35.260 In 2016, the Democrats had an advantage of nearly 1 million more D's than R's. 0.92

00:04:42.360 Donald Trump won Pennsylvania by 40,000 votes.

00:04:45.420 Fast forward to 2020, that D-to-R advantage was narrowed down to 650,000.

00:04:52.160 And Pennsylvania was ultimately decided by a very narrow 80,000 votes with the mail-in ballots and everything else that was going on.

00:05:00.340 Now, where are we today, and how is 2024 different?

00:05:05.060 That advantage of D over R has been narrowed down to 333,000.

00:05:13.240 We have cut in half the Democrat advantage in just four years' time.

00:05:18.840 And if you take out inactive voters, Megan, people that haven't voted in, say, four years or eight years, that number is just 160,000.

00:05:30.760 So, A, Pennsylvania is very much in play.

00:05:35.220 And if I were the Democrats, I would be very worried that their voter registration numbers continue to decrease even after the so-called Taylor Swift endorsement.

00:05:47.320 Now, let's also talk about briefly the mail-in ballot situation.

00:05:52.400 I'm here to tell you, and this is based on Cliff Maloney, his group is great, P.A. Chase, they're the ones that are going to be knocking on doors and chasing all of those votes.

00:06:00.940 The Democrats are down 416,000 mail-in ballot requests from where they were four years ago at the same time.

00:06:13.920 So, again, 2020 was decided by 80,000.

00:06:17.860 They're down 300,000 voter registrations.

00:06:20.760 And they're down 416,000 mail-in ballot requests.

00:06:25.420 So, Republicans, in my humble, objective opinion, are in the best place possible to actually win Pennsylvania and, therefore, the presidency this November.

00:06:35.800 Okay, so walk us through how you do it.

00:06:39.840 So, you go to Pennsylvania.

00:06:41.360 You set up shop there.

00:06:43.120 And what do you do?

00:06:44.300 Is it just about canvassing, knocking on people's doors and saying, hey, are you registered to vote?

00:06:48.580 Are you going to vote Republican?

00:06:49.820 Then let me show you how to get registered.

00:06:51.460 And then, like, walk us through how you do it.

00:06:54.160 Yes, ma'am.

00:06:54.900 So, again, numbers guy, data guy.

00:06:58.200 Let's break this down by the math.

00:07:00.940 That 80,000 number, I want everybody to write that on a chalkboard in your brain.

00:07:04.580 Let's talk about conservative groups that support our values but may not vote in elections.

00:07:11.060 There are 80,000 truckers in Pennsylvania alone.

00:07:15.900 If we mobilize that group, we win.

00:07:19.140 And think about it.

00:07:20.200 Truckers, they are busy serving us, the American people.

00:07:24.080 They are driving rigs on Election Day.

00:07:26.560 And, in fact, I spoke with a wife whose husband, a Pennsylvania truck driver, did not vote in 2020 because he was working.

00:07:33.880 And so, especially for our beautiful truckers, we are pushing them to get a mail-in ballot.

00:07:39.580 We are pushing them to vote early in the election to make sure that they lock in those votes if they're not going to be home on November 5th.

00:07:47.360 Then, our Amish.

00:07:49.460 There are 90,000 Amish in Pennsylvania.

00:07:53.480 Now, eligible voters is probably more around 40,000.

00:07:56.800 But I know in the 2020 election, only 2,000 Amish voted.

00:08:01.820 We are making a concerted effort, not only going to these service plazas to reach the truckers in Pennsylvania, setting up a voter registration table.

00:08:11.400 But I'll tell you, every Tuesday, you will see us at Roots Country Market in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, the major hub of the Amish.

00:08:19.120 Every Friday, Ryan Sexton, a member of my team, is at the Green Dragon Farmers Market with a voter registration table, meeting voters where they are, courting the vote, talking about the fact that Democrat Governor Josh Shapiro is waging a war on school choice and religious freedom and small businesses and raw milk and dairy and farmers.

00:08:41.520 Every aspect of Amish living is under attack. 0.99

00:08:44.520 We meet the Amish where they are.

00:08:46.500 Then, we have 800,000 veterans.

00:08:49.180 And let me tell you, after Tim Walz admitted to lying on national television about his stolen valor the other night during the vice presidential debate, veterans do not take kindly to stolen valor.

00:09:01.520 And veterans, furthermore, do not take kindly to the Biden-Kamala Harris debacle of pulling out of Afghanistan, which caused 13 Gold Star families.

00:09:14.720 And then Kamala had the nerve to attack those Gold Star families when President Trump celebrated those families and the lives of the fallen soldiers at the Arlington Cemetery.

00:09:24.060 So, we are going, Megan, to the VFW halls, meeting the veterans where they are.

00:09:29.940 We're going to the American legions.

00:09:32.880 And last, and probably what I think is the most consequential group that we are making an effort to reach are our beautiful hunters and Second Amendment enthusiasts.

00:09:42.400 This is very important.

00:09:44.200 30% of Pennsylvania hunters are not registered to vote.

00:09:50.400 30.

00:09:50.880 Three-zero percent.

00:09:52.200 There are 930,000 hunters.

00:09:55.280 Again, 2020 was decided by 80,000 votes.

00:09:58.660 That means that there are 300,000 hunters in Pennsylvania that are not registered.

00:10:04.920 So, we have been going to GunShowTrader.com the last year, visiting every single gun show, going to every single gun store, archery range.

00:10:13.960 And we are even advertising in a newspaper article to 16,000 federal firearms licensed organizations and companies.

00:10:25.420 So, our motto at EarlyVoteAction.com is to meet the voter, to get them registered to vote, to follow up with them, and actualize them.

00:10:34.980 And so, we are constantly asking.

00:10:36.520 Okay, yeah.

00:10:36.540 So, let's speak to that.

00:10:37.500 So, let's say you get them, you get the Amish, you get the truckers, you get the hunters, they're registered in a way they hadn't been.

00:10:44.520 Yes.

00:10:44.740 So, now you have to make sure they vote, right?

00:10:46.600 You either have to get them a mail-in ballot if they're a trucker and they can't make it, or you have to make sure on election day they get off the sofa or they get out of their job and they spend the time standing.

00:10:56.600 So, what do you do about that?

00:10:57.800 Because that seems like something the Democrats are good at.

00:11:00.260 I remember the stories about getting John Fetterman elected and how many people brought buses to Pennsylvania to get people on board, drive them to the polling station, and it was all Democrats.

00:11:13.240 Yes.

00:11:14.340 Well, this is all data.

00:11:17.680 President Obama had the model in 2008 when he first ran.

00:11:21.740 We're not reinventing it.

00:11:23.100 We're just doing the President Obama model.

00:11:24.860 We are community organizers.

00:11:26.140 So, whenever we register someone to vote, Megan, we get their first name, last name, email address, phone number, home address.

00:11:35.060 And so, a crucial component when I'm talking to my team and volunteers is you are not done registering a voter until that voter has voted.

00:11:45.160 Sure, registration is part number one.

00:11:47.420 Part number two is actualizing.

00:11:49.360 And so, our team, when we're registering someone to vote, we ask every single person, are you going to be in town on Tuesday, November 5th?

00:11:57.180 Do you travel outside of the country?

00:11:59.620 Do you have a job that takes you outside of the state?

00:12:01.660 And if they do, then we have them sign up for a mail-in ballot.

00:12:05.380 And I'm very proud to say that two counties in particular that we've been working on, Pike and Wayne counties in Northeast Pennsylvania,

00:12:12.280 they are the top two most producing Republican counties per registered Republican that have requested more mail-in ballots than the Democrats.

00:12:23.000 And these are red, rural areas where normally Republicans are vehemently opposed to mail-in voting.

00:12:29.140 But our education, our meeting the voter, our courting the voter is producing real, tangible results.

00:12:36.460 And one last part of that that I think is very important is, in talking to our beautiful Amish, there's kind of a stigma that they shouldn't be voting.

00:12:44.640 Some of their Amish elders are against it.

00:12:46.840 And you know what?

00:12:47.680 We're using the Democrat strategy of mail-in with the Amish. 0.92

00:12:51.360 And when I tell the Amish that they can vote a private, secret ballot that is mailed to their house,

00:12:57.080 and they don't have to have their buggy scene going to a polling location, they love the mail-in ballot.

00:13:01.300 And I can tell you tangibly that we are out registering the Democrats in terms of mail-in ballots in Mifflin County,

00:13:08.920 an Amish county in the center of the state, and Juniata County, an Amish county in the center of the state.

00:13:13.600 And last, I want to make it clear, if President Trump does a rally during a weekday,

00:13:19.560 we are going to be busing people from whatever county he's doing a rally in to a board of elections to vote early.

00:13:27.820 So we are basically doing a lot of the Democrat activities just to elect Republicans.

00:13:34.840 Hmm, this is fascinating.

00:13:36.380 My gosh, the Amish, are they even allowed to use a voting machine? 1.00

00:13:39.540 I don't know, like, aren't they, don't they eschew all electronics?

00:13:42.340 So isn't really only mail-in balloting for them or bust?

00:13:46.380 Well, Governor Shapiro, thank you, because a mail-in ballot is a paper ballot,

00:13:51.960 and they don't even have to use an electronic machine in order to cast their vote.

00:13:55.660 So again, we are using mail-in ballots, knowing that the Amish get married on Tuesdays in November, 0.83

00:14:03.520 which happens to coincide with Election Day, to lock in those votes.

00:14:08.940 Oh, Scott, I could just see you, like, bombing in, you're like a wedding crash,

00:14:12.080 or a new version of wedding crash at all the Amish wedding book.

00:14:15.440 Could you just sign this card for the bride and groom, and also this voting form?

00:14:19.380 Okay, so that's Pennsylvania.

00:14:20.660 But now, talk to me about what's happening in the other states, because he, you know,

00:14:25.620 they say it all comes down to Pennsylvania, but realistically, it doesn't.

00:14:29.220 He's going to have to get 270 to win, or she is. 0.90

00:14:32.660 And things are tight.

00:14:33.880 They're tight, tight, tight in North Carolina, Nevada.

00:14:36.660 Trump lost Nevada in 16 and 20, though it's still in play.

00:14:40.900 She matched his no taxes on tips thing, which that helped her.

00:14:45.240 Anyway, what's happening in the other states?

00:14:46.900 Well, what is the, what is a pathway to victory?

00:14:51.500 Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania.

00:14:55.040 That wins the election.

00:14:56.240 It's done.

00:14:56.920 It's over.

00:14:57.960 And that's why I'm focused so heavily on PA.

00:15:01.100 And Georgia, with Governor Kemp, I know he's not the most conservative in terms of the President

00:15:06.140 Trump fan base, but we have made strides in election integrity in the state of Georgia.

00:15:11.540 And the fact that we performed well in the midterms, reelecting Governor Kemp, I think

00:15:16.400 Georgia is probably one of the most easy sunbelt states for us to win.

00:15:21.020 And by sunbelt, I mean North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada.

00:15:24.960 Now, I was feeling really good about North Carolina because not only, similar to Pennsylvania,

00:15:31.580 have we cut the Democrat advantage in voter registration in half, but the Democrats, they

00:15:37.640 are underperforming in terms of mail-in ballots.

00:15:40.360 They are underperforming in terms of early voting in North Carolina.

00:15:44.720 Now, however, I'm very concerned, and God bless every family that is suffering at the

00:15:51.240 tragedy of the hurricane and water damage and losing a home.

00:15:55.360 And I have to say, the area that has been affected the most is Western North Carolina.

00:16:01.400 I want to hear, A, what are we doing to help all of these people that are suffering this

00:16:06.160 tragedy? But B, most importantly, if we are going to rebuild their lives and have an economy

00:16:11.260 that works for a working class America, we must reelect President Trump.

00:16:15.940 And so I want to hear from Chairman Watley.

00:16:17.940 I want to hear from Mark Robinson.

00:16:19.740 I want to hear from everybody in North Carolina.

00:16:22.100 How are we going to help these families and make sure that Western North Carolina has the

00:16:26.520 ability to vote in the upcoming election?

00:16:28.820 Because if Western North Carolina, the Asheville area, does not come out, we may not win the

00:16:36.120 North Carolina presidency for the Electoral College for President Trump.

00:16:40.180 We may lose the gubernatorial election as well.

00:16:43.580 And so it's critical that we have a plan this next month getting those WNC people out to vote.

00:16:49.620 Now, Nevada-

00:16:50.860 The gubernatorial election does not look good in the wake of that Mark Robinson scandal.

00:16:54.540 He's polling some, I don't know, more than double digits, well, double digits behind his

00:16:58.900 opponent now.

00:16:59.680 There could be many, and the Republicans are banking on there being many ticket splitters

00:17:03.680 who might not vote for Robinson, but who will nonetheless show up for Trump.

00:17:08.520 How do you deal with that?

00:17:09.920 As a guy in your position, I assume you have to argue the positions with people, reluctant

00:17:15.140 voters who are like, I'm not voting for a guy who said he wanted to bring back slavery,

00:17:19.160 even though he's a black man, I'm not doing it. 1.00

00:17:21.840 And then what do you do? 0.85

00:17:22.680 Do you say, well, but there's still Trump at the top, like, get there anyway?

00:17:27.620 Listen, President Trump needs a Republican House, he needs a Republican Senate, and he

00:17:33.340 needs Republican governors.

00:17:35.180 In the wake of COVID, when governors had the power of whether or not they were going to be

00:17:41.320 dictatorial and tyrannical or open their states like Governor Kemp did in Georgia, I think the

00:17:46.560 American people understand the importance of winning the governor's mansion, and especially

00:17:51.740 with a state like Virginia, the Commonwealth of Virginia, where I formerly lived, but I'm

00:17:56.060 now living in Pennsylvania to vote for Donald Trump, that the governor has the power to get

00:18:01.620 illegal aliens off the voter rolls to fight for election integrity. 0.93

00:18:04.620 Now, I'm not going to get into polls.

00:18:07.540 The only thing that matters is ballots into boxes.

00:18:11.120 The only thing that matters is on Tuesday, November 5th.

00:18:14.040 And if any of you watching the Megyn Kelly show right now are feeling nervous about this

00:18:17.860 election, I'm asking you to do more.

00:18:20.460 Knock on more doors then.

00:18:21.560 Make more postcards.

00:18:23.400 Make more text messages.

00:18:24.800 Go reach out to your family and friends.

00:18:26.340 Let me ask you about that.

00:18:27.280 Let me ask you, because I've had so many people, friends of mine here in Connecticut say,

00:18:31.680 how can I help?

00:18:32.580 How can I help?

00:18:33.200 And there's no work to be done in Connecticut.

00:18:34.940 Donald Trump is not going to win Connecticut, but we're so close to Pennsylvania.

00:18:39.660 And so how can people help who are not from Pennsylvania?

00:18:44.520 Thank you.

00:18:45.080 Great question.

00:18:45.640 Well, I do have a wonderful man in Connecticut.

00:18:49.100 His name is Ruben.

00:18:50.240 Shout out, Mr. Ruben.

00:18:51.420 And he's on his way to Pennsylvania right now to Pike County, to Milford, an area that

00:18:58.480 we have an opportunity to flip a congressional seat from blue to red.

00:19:01.740 And he's going to be outside of a post office with us registering voters and helping to court

00:19:06.660 voters where they are for the next until the deadline on October 21st.

00:19:10.920 And so we've got people coming from New York, coming from West Virginia, coming from Maryland.

00:19:15.980 And a lot of these blue states, with all due respect to them, the things that matter are

00:19:21.600 Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona, Nevada, the swing states.

00:19:25.100 So if you are feeling hopeless or helpless in a blue state, I want you to reach out to

00:19:30.760 me.

00:19:31.380 Go to my X account, which is at Scott Pressler, S-C-O-T-T-P-R-E-S-1-S-L-E-R.

00:19:37.000 Slide into my DMs in the most wholesome manner.

00:19:39.380 And I will connect you with a member of my team all across the Commonwealth.

00:19:42.560 And if you are unable to travel, which I understand, then you can download my app.

00:19:48.920 I have an app for iPhone, for Android.

00:19:51.640 It's called Early Vote Action.

00:19:54.260 You, from the comfort of your home, can send text messages.

00:19:57.920 You can make phone calls.

00:19:59.420 And you can even write postcards.

00:20:01.460 I want to give a shout out to a woman named Marcella. 1.00

00:20:03.600 She's a grandmother in California, deep blue Cali.

00:20:07.040 She has written, Megan, 2,000 postcards handwritten from Cali into Pennsylvania, helping us to

00:20:16.100 flip Pennsylvania counties from blue to red.

00:20:18.940 And so whether you're in a deep red state like Alabama and you want to do more, download

00:20:23.240 the Early Vote Action app.

00:20:24.280 Whether you're in a blue state like Connecticut or Rhode Island, download the Early Vote Action

00:20:29.180 app or come to Pennsylvania and help us.

00:20:32.980 Okay.

00:20:33.700 Good to know.

00:20:34.120 Now, what about the money?

00:20:36.040 Because she, boy, oh boy, she's taken in a lot of dough. 0.99

00:20:39.860 The latest number that I see here is 690 million.

00:20:46.320 Her campaign has raised.

00:20:48.840 Trump's is 313.

00:20:51.540 So not even half.

00:20:54.340 She's got 235 million cash on hand.

00:20:58.020 He has 135 million cash on hand.

00:21:01.180 From the outside groups, she's outraised him too.

00:21:03.480 Her super PAC, 167 million.

00:21:06.180 His is 55 million.

00:21:09.000 Though of the top 10 super PACs, I guess Trump is edging her there.

00:21:14.120 In any event, I'm trying to, it looks like she's got a considerable financial advantage

00:21:18.100 over Trump.

00:21:19.480 How does that affect you?

00:21:20.940 Well, it reminds me of 2016 when we were facing a similar fundraising juggernaut.

00:21:28.900 And I believe Kamala is a less likable, less accomplished Hillary Clinton 2.0. 0.89

00:21:35.720 We defeated the Democrats in 2016.

00:21:38.960 And I think we can do it again now in 2024.

00:21:41.660 And I think numbers matter.

00:21:44.280 Data matters.

00:21:45.580 The fact that we are, let me give you the data for the last seven days in Pennsylvania

00:21:50.140 to put things into context for you.

00:21:51.760 Despite all this dough you're talking about, despite endorsements from Taylor Swift, despite

00:21:56.660 everything, the entire machine the Democrats have for them, the Democrats in the last week

00:22:01.100 in Pennsylvania only registered 7,600 new voters for their party.

00:22:07.720 Republicans, on the other hand, on the contrary, registered 12,500.

00:22:13.980 We are nearly doubling them in terms of voter registration.

00:22:17.780 So people might look at things like cash.

00:22:19.960 I'm looking at things like action, like data, like science.

00:22:23.440 And I think everything is pointing in the right direction that this election, I think, is Trump's

00:22:27.860 to lose.

00:22:28.500 We can win this for President Trump.

00:22:31.460 So when you see the polls super tight, like I said, the real clear politics average,

00:22:37.280 of polls in Pennsylvania, literally the same right now, totally even, what does that just

00:22:45.160 not comport with the reality you're seeing on the ground?

00:22:47.980 Or you are still in the position of, no, it's tied, which is why you need every single individual

00:22:54.020 to make sure they leave their Amish wedding and cast a ballot, stop their trucks and cast

00:23:00.980 a ballot.

00:23:01.420 Look, in 2016, Hillary was, what, 10 points ahead in Pennsylvania.

00:23:08.160 In 2020, I think Joe Biden was like four points, five points ahead.

00:23:12.280 I think the fact that they are tied with real, clear politics shows you exactly what I'm saying,

00:23:18.820 that the fact that it is tied, there are going to be a lot of conservatives that aren't answering

00:23:23.040 these quote unquote polls.

00:23:24.660 And again, guys, the point of a poll is to depress and to discourage or it's to contrive

00:23:32.440 and to manipulate.

00:23:34.000 I believe, quite frankly, that the polls were made really high for President Trump with Joe

00:23:41.380 Biden in order to force the Democrats and give more credibility to pushing him out and

00:23:46.880 make way for Kamala. 1.00

00:23:47.740 The polls are only a tool used to either discourage, depress, divide, or encourage one group to

00:23:55.560 do something else.

00:23:56.400 The only thing that matters, guys, is ballots into boxes.

00:24:00.120 The last day to register voters is on October 21st in Pennsylvania.

00:24:03.820 You use every single gosh darn day to court voters and lock in those votes on Tuesday, November

00:24:09.520 5th, 2024.

00:24:11.780 Scott Pressler, thank you.

00:24:13.560 Thank you so much.

00:24:14.460 Really appreciate it.

00:24:15.320 Nice to see you.

00:24:16.700 Hey, thank you, Megan.

00:24:18.700 Amazing.

00:24:19.340 Okay, coming up, we look at the other side.

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00:26:01.900 Now, the other side of the coin, the Democrats.

00:26:04.840 We know that the Harris-Wallace ticket has a clear fundraising advantage.

00:26:08.640 However, some are warning that Team Blue is not spending its money entirely wisely,

00:26:13.120 saying more needs to be done to engage, in particular, Black, Latino, and young voters.

00:26:19.780 Joining me now, David Callahan.

00:26:21.560 He's founder of Blue Tent.

00:26:23.960 His organization is helping engage those very voters and recently issued a memo to the vice

00:26:28.980 president about its concerns when it comes to those voting blocs.

00:26:33.000 David, welcome to the show.

00:26:34.800 Hey, great to be here, Megan.

00:26:35.780 Okay, so I was just talking to my previous guest who's trying to get Republicans registered.

00:26:41.940 And what I said to him is what I say to you, which is people talk about, I hear it everywhere,

00:26:46.980 the formidable ground game of the Democrats.

00:26:50.040 Thanks to Barack Obama, this juggernaut was put in place and that they're just better at

00:26:55.560 it than the Republicans.

00:26:56.360 Now, Scott Pressler, my first guest, who's like hauled up in Pennsylvania only, says he's

00:27:01.340 changing that in Pennsylvania.

00:27:03.680 Just give me like the 30,000-foot perspective on that notion as we start.

00:27:09.460 Well, so the way to understand it is that, yes, the Democrats have a very powerful ground

00:27:14.180 game.

00:27:14.740 It's really two different tracks.

00:27:16.900 On the one hand, you have the Harris-Walls campaign with all of their offices and battleground

00:27:22.200 states across the country.

00:27:24.340 There's more than 250 offices that the campaign has opened up.

00:27:29.160 They have almost 2,000 staff on the ground.

00:27:33.200 And then there's the second track, which is progressive grassroots groups.

00:27:37.100 A lot of these groups have really scaled up since 2016.

00:27:41.120 After that election, people felt like, wow, we clearly need to invest a lot more in mobilizing

00:27:47.780 our voters since that election was lost by such a razor-thin margin in 2016.

00:27:53.820 And that progressive ground game has a lot going for it, hundreds of different groups,

00:27:59.460 but is underfunded significantly.

00:28:02.900 So that money that she gets, I mean, that she's taken in, the stats are her campaign had

00:28:08.620 raised 690 million, but she also has PAC money of hundreds of millions from the PAC.

00:28:16.020 So does that not go to any of those progressive ground game groups?

00:28:21.580 Is that all just Harris campaign money?

00:28:24.880 Yeah.

00:28:25.040 So if you think about what the money that's raised by the Democratic establishment groups

00:28:30.820 is spent on, that would be the Harris-Walls campaign, the different candidates who are

00:28:35.820 running in the states like Senate candidates, and also those super PACs like Future Forward,

00:28:41.820 which is the main super PAC supporting Harris.

00:28:44.480 A lot of that money goes to advertising.

00:28:47.800 It goes to fighting the air war, right?

00:28:49.860 TV ads, digital ads, big expenses in that.

00:28:54.220 I mean, hundreds of billions of dollars that's going to that air war.

00:28:57.480 But some also goes quite a bit this year to that ground game that Harris-Walls campaign

00:29:02.940 has with those couple hundred field offices.

00:29:05.560 However, the campaign does not share its money with these progressive grassroots groups.

00:29:13.680 It's not like, hey, here's $50 million and go turn out Latino voters in Arizona or Black

00:29:20.840 voters in Georgia.

00:29:21.940 That's not really the way things work, in part because there's legal restrictions for such

00:29:26.420 funding transfers.

00:29:28.040 A big part of the problem is the choices that donors make.

00:29:31.080 Most Democratic donors don't know much about these progressive grassroots groups that are

00:29:36.480 doing vital work in communities.

00:29:38.960 And so they just give money to the Harris-Walls campaign and to the future PACs that they're

00:29:43.620 familiar with.

00:29:45.400 How do you know how your numbers stack up against the Republicans?

00:29:49.920 I didn't ask Scott that in terms of offices and staffers.

00:29:53.580 Yeah, well, that has been a subject of a lot of investigation and confusion.

00:30:01.120 I think that the extent of the Republican ground game is unknown.

00:30:06.180 There's not a lot of transparency there.

00:30:08.200 There's a number of different ground game groups on the Republican side that are working

00:30:14.580 to elect Trump.

00:30:15.520 The Trump campaign itself doesn't have a strong ground game.

00:30:19.080 It's largely outsourced that work to groups like America PAC, which is an Elon Musk-backed

00:30:25.640 group.

00:30:26.220 Turning Point Action, which is the sort of C4 arm of Turning Point USA. 0.75

00:30:33.620 You know, the Koch network, Americans for Prosperity, they have a ground game, but it's largely focused

00:30:38.760 on the Senate side.

00:30:41.360 Trump 47 we hear a lot about.

00:30:43.640 But we don't get a lot of hard and fast numbers.

00:30:48.060 Politico just published a major article on this recently where they went out and talked

00:30:52.160 to a lot of Republican operatives in different battleground states.

00:30:56.220 And those people said, hey, you know, we're not seeing a lot of evidence of this Republican

00:31:00.140 ground game.

00:31:00.880 We're very concerned, particularly about how that might affect down-ballot candidates who

00:31:06.780 are running in these states.

00:31:08.820 So it's kind of a mystery.

00:31:10.280 Mm-hmm.

00:31:11.860 Who normally runs herd on it?

00:31:14.060 I mean, would it typically have been the RNC and the DNC, like in years past?

00:31:19.060 Or like, who's normally in charge?

00:31:21.820 Well, normally you have the RNC and the presidential nominee working in close concert to field a strong

00:31:28.980 campaign ground game.

00:31:30.560 That's certainly what you have on the Democratic side.

00:31:33.160 The, you know, the ground game that Harris-Walls has put together is controlled by the Harris-Walls

00:31:39.920 campaign.

00:31:41.060 It's quite extensive, as I mentioned.

00:31:43.680 And in turn, there's coordination between the Harris-Walls campaign and the DNC and state

00:31:48.800 Democratic parties, which play an important role here too.

00:31:52.440 Like in Wisconsin, for example, the Democratic State Party of Wisconsin has raised over $30 million

00:31:58.940 for its operations, including a lot of field work.

00:32:04.000 So in the best case scenario, you have, you know, these national Democratic campaigns and

00:32:09.220 parties working very close in coordination with state parties and down-ballot candidates,

00:32:15.820 including in Senate races.

00:32:17.900 There's Senate, you know, races in almost all the battleground states.

00:32:21.800 And we're not seeing that on the Republican side this year, that we can make out.

00:32:28.560 So basically, it's a big mystery.

00:32:30.440 It's like a mystery on the Republican side.

00:32:32.640 What groups exactly are playing?

00:32:34.860 What efforts do they have in place to get out the ground game?

00:32:37.700 And you could be overwhelmed on election day with, wow, it was amazing.

00:32:42.740 How did they keep that a secret?

00:32:43.900 Or you could be underwhelmed and thinking, well, it's just as disorganized and in disarray

00:32:51.000 as we suspected.

00:32:52.860 Well, there's going to be a lot of surprises, I'm sure, as there have been in past elections,

00:32:58.000 particularly that 2016 election.

00:33:00.340 And keep in mind that Trump's own theory of turnout, as best we can tell, is that he is

00:33:08.080 the ground game, right?

00:33:09.100 He is the person who inspires a lot of low propensity voters on the Republican side to

00:33:16.240 get out and vote.

00:33:17.280 I mean, remember, a lot of what an effective ground game does is it goes after those people

00:33:22.480 who may or may not vote or who need persuasion to vote for your party, right?

00:33:28.400 So you want to put your effort into those kinds of people.

00:33:32.340 And Trump's theory has been that, hey, people are so eager for a different kind of

00:33:39.020 candidate, somebody like me, that they'll come out and vote for the first time in years.

00:33:43.880 And that's not a theory without foundation.

00:33:46.700 I mean, it certainly worked for him in 2016.

00:33:49.320 And in 2020, he increased his vote share, his number of votes by 13 million over his 2016

00:33:58.480 tally.

00:33:59.940 But the concern of many Republicans is, you know, with these razor thin margins,

00:34:07.080 every single vote counts and you can't leave any votes on the table.

00:34:11.880 I mean, remember, if you had switched around 42,000 votes in the last election, Trump would

00:34:17.940 have won.

00:34:18.480 I mean, Biden won that election in the Electoral College very narrowly, 10,000 votes or so in

00:34:25.520 Arizona, 11,000 in Georgia.

00:34:27.720 I mean, this is this is where your ground game really kicks in if those are the kinds

00:34:33.480 of margins you're looking at.

00:34:35.900 What you guys do is positively vital to what's going to happen in this election.

00:34:42.620 There's a lot of responsibility.

00:34:43.700 So when you look at it, talk to me a little bit, if you if you would, about the polling,

00:34:48.440 because what the experts have told me in the past is that national popular vote, generally

00:34:54.200 speaking, needs to be, let's say, five points in favor of the Democrats in order for Democrats

00:35:00.280 to be feeling good on the Electoral College, that just the way voting works and given the

00:35:06.400 Democratic advantage in the cities and the urban centers, generally you want to see a

00:35:10.280 lead by the Dem of about five or six points going in.

00:35:13.100 And that will probably suggest a lead in the critical swing states that will lead to Electoral

00:35:18.020 College victory.

00:35:18.600 Right now, what we're seeing is that she does have a lead in the Electoral College, not that

00:35:24.080 big.

00:35:24.740 But these swing state polls, I mean, ask on a different day, you'll get a different answer,

00:35:29.300 but they're very tight.

00:35:32.060 They are incredibly tight.

00:35:34.540 I don't remember an election which they're just so uniformly tight, maybe little tiny moves

00:35:40.140 one way or the other.

00:35:41.240 So what does that tell you?

00:35:42.680 It tells us that we have a highly polarized electorate and there's not a lot of people

00:35:48.480 who change their minds, right?

00:35:50.300 And, you know, in August, for a couple of weeks, there was this tantalizing sense among

00:35:56.900 Democrats that Harris could really break out and open up a commanding lead.

00:36:01.720 And we'd see something similar to what happened in 2008 with Obama, who got a big lead and then

00:36:07.620 kept it and won the election.

00:36:10.200 And that never happened, right?

00:36:11.860 She certainly reversed a lot of Biden's weaknesses, but the election has basically been deadlocked

00:36:18.320 ever since.

00:36:19.340 And the crazy thing about the polls and the reason this is so nerve wracking, I think,

00:36:23.700 for people on both sides, is that they were wrong in 2020, that, you know, they underestimated

00:36:31.320 Trump's strength in 2020, just as they did in 2016.

00:36:35.860 And they were wrong in 2022 the other way.

00:36:39.300 So they underestimated the extent of Democratic strength.

00:36:44.260 Everybody was talking about that red wave that never materialized and Democrats did a

00:36:48.980 lot better.

00:36:49.940 So, you know, if you look at analysis of polls, there's there you can find the New York Times

00:36:55.200 has this of if the polls were as wrong as they were in 2020, this is what the outcome would

00:37:01.700 be, or if they were as wrong as they were in 20, 2022, this is what the outcome would be.

00:37:09.020 Can I one other one other point here, though, which is that the polls tell us what likely voters

00:37:15.040 say that their that they their choice would be.

00:37:18.400 What those polls don't tell us is who's going to actually show up.

00:37:22.420 So turnout is the big variable that polling cannot capture.

00:37:27.020 Well, on that front, can you talk to me about the mail in balloting?

00:37:31.940 Because traditionally, I mean, since we've been pushing more mail in balloting 2020, obviously

00:37:37.780 with COVID, but we've had a couple of elections thereafter.

00:37:39.920 The Democrats have been much better about that, in part because Trump doesn't like it.

00:37:46.820 And while he's kind of said a couple of times, yeah, do it.

00:37:51.740 He's got this inner opposition to it.

00:37:54.960 He doesn't trust it.

00:37:56.140 Whereas every Republican operative on the ground is saying, for the love of God, please do mail

00:38:00.880 in balloting.

00:38:01.900 Don't leave it up to chance on Election Day.

00:38:04.380 So how how is that looking?

00:38:07.160 Do you think the Democrats still have a big advantage on the mail in balloting where their

00:38:11.520 voters are more used to it and trust it more?

00:38:14.420 Yes, for sure.

00:38:15.460 Although there's likely to be less mail in balloting this time around than there was in

00:38:19.440 2020 because we don't have a pandemic going on, which is one of the big changes from the

00:38:26.860 last presidential election.

00:38:29.160 But I think I'm sorry to interrupt you, but have rules been changed to tamp that down?

00:38:33.220 Is that why you say that?

00:38:34.000 Or it's just people are just more likely to.

00:38:36.180 People are just more willing to vote in person because there's there's no pandemic

00:38:40.540 going on.

00:38:41.480 And so the imperative to vote by mail is not what it was that many people felt in 2020.

00:38:49.000 The big advantages that mail in voting gives, as well as early voting, which is another

00:38:56.220 major factor here, early voting is already underway in multiple states.

00:39:00.520 And this really helps whoever has the strong ground game, because what these ground game

00:39:05.940 groups do is every day they get a list of who has voted.

00:39:10.780 They don't it doesn't say, you know, who who those voters voted for, but it does say who

00:39:15.640 voted.

00:39:16.220 And then they cross those people off the list and don't focus their get out the vote effort

00:39:21.180 on on those already voted people.

00:39:24.000 Instead, they go after those people who haven't yet voted early or who have not yet turned

00:39:29.840 in their ballot.

00:39:31.260 And so, you know, the Democrats are in a strong position to effectively win this election in

00:39:38.140 October by really bearing down on those in those early voting states and through the mail

00:39:45.720 and balloting to try to bank as many votes as possible before Election Day.

00:39:50.620 And that is a key part of their strategy.

00:39:54.460 Do you think we will know who won on election night?

00:39:59.620 Thanks to Pennsylvania not allowing all the ballots to be opened and counted until Election

00:40:07.680 Day, probably not, assuming it all comes down to Pennsylvania, which could well be the case.

00:40:12.820 And so in Pennsylvania, there's been legislative attempts to allow the election authorities to

00:40:22.200 start opening and counting ballots before Election Day.

00:40:25.720 Those efforts have not succeeded.

00:40:27.860 And so what we saw last year in Pennsylvania was this frantic effort to count huge numbers

00:40:35.200 of mail-in ballots that went on for a few days.

00:40:40.400 And we're likely to see that again.

00:40:44.100 And it could really leave people on pins and needles for a while.

00:40:49.620 Why don't they just get more people?

00:40:51.320 Why don't they get more counters?

00:40:53.300 Yeah.

00:40:53.860 You know, I've seen photographs of these huge warehouses where they count the ballots and,

00:41:00.640 you know, counting hundreds of thousands of ballots by hand and tabulating them through

00:41:04.820 these machines apparently is a huge job.

00:41:07.600 So but yeah, you would hope that they would just expand their capacity to do that.

00:41:13.660 Oh, my gosh.

00:41:14.100 Can you imagine the number of media trucks and cameras that are going to be outside of that

00:41:19.220 center if it all does come down to Pennsylvania this year?

00:41:22.940 Yeah, not to mention potentially violent protesters.

00:41:28.580 Oh, God.

00:41:29.100 I mean, not to mention lawyers.

00:41:31.680 Yeah.

00:41:32.000 I mean, that's the scary thing.

00:41:33.680 And there is a whole legal side of the election that doesn't get much attention.

00:41:39.820 But both sides have really lawyered up and have a large cadre of lawyers ready to go to

00:41:48.220 try to challenge ballot results.

00:41:51.300 I mean, obviously, there's been a lot of controversy about that in Georgia with changes to the

00:41:56.200 certification process.

00:41:58.340 So there's certainly things that can go wrong in a big way in this election.

00:42:02.980 Mm hmm.

00:42:03.920 I know.

00:42:04.460 Yeah.

00:42:04.660 And there was the Arizona misprinting the ballots a couple of years ago.

00:42:09.320 Things do tend to go wrong here or there, though, overall, it's, you know, comparatively smooth.

00:42:16.640 I mean, compared to other countries.

00:42:18.000 But yeah, there's the lawyers are always I remember when I was at Fox, Ben Ginsberg used

00:42:22.840 to be walking through the hallways before this, you know, big election lawyer.

00:42:26.700 And they always anticipated problems, especially after Bush v.

00:42:30.380 Gore and how tight that one was.

00:42:32.660 So the lawfare will be.

00:42:34.400 And there's a lot of threats against election workers.

00:42:36.920 I mean, this is a new phenomenon in our democracy that we've seen arise, you know, since 2020 and

00:42:43.180 even before with these almost all of them coming from the Republican side of these kind of MAGA

00:42:50.040 accolites who've been fed a lot of misinformation and have threatened the lives of election workers.

00:42:56.000 It's not such a great job to be an election worker these days.

00:43:00.180 And some of those positions are hard to fill.

00:43:02.600 And that kind of getting the manpower to do this large work of administrating these elections

00:43:09.880 is another challenge.

00:43:11.180 Well, those Republicans should volunteer.

00:43:13.900 The MAGA folks that should volunteer for the job and get the training and make sure that

00:43:17.340 they're in there and they can count just as well as anybody else, you know, instead of

00:43:21.340 complaining about it, go and go do something productive about it.

00:43:24.500 All right.

00:43:24.980 Scott Pressler was talking about Pennsylvania and everything may come down to Pennsylvania.

00:43:29.260 And he was saying one glimmer of hope for his side is that the number of registry registered

00:43:35.920 voters for the Democrats, the advantage, which was one million, he said, in

00:43:41.140 I think it was 16, a one million registered voter advantage has now been shrunk down to about

00:43:48.100 300,000 because they've had so many more Republicans register or the Democrats have moved out, what

00:43:54.920 have you.

00:43:55.420 Is that true?

00:43:56.280 Do you like, is that your experience too?

00:43:58.800 You know, I've heard about that Republican registration advantage, not just in Pennsylvania,

00:44:04.800 but in other states, it was kind of hard to verify the claims and counterclaims.

00:44:11.140 I think one thing we do know is that many new voters are registering as independents, and that is by far the fastest growing segment of the registered electorate, and many of those are young people.

00:44:25.080 And so that is a kind of creates another wild card of you can't predict as easily.

00:44:35.560 And there's also, of course, quite a few Republicans who have crossed lines in recent years.

00:44:41.040 I mean, there's that, you know, Haley, 20 percent Haley vote.

00:44:44.860 And the big question is whether they're going to listen to Liz Cheney or listen to Haley, who has endorsed Trump.

00:44:52.300 Well, if you tell me a bunch of people have registered as independents in California and are voting in record numbers, I will say those are Republicans.

00:45:00.340 But if you're registering as an independent, just as a young person, the odds are you're probably a Democrat who's like maybe disaffected a little bit with Democrat policies, but young people tend to go blue.

00:45:12.600 And the only people who like in California, you're a Democrat, unless you call yourself an independent, in which case you're a closeted Republican.

00:45:18.620 That's been my experience.

00:45:20.800 OK, so you're the registration advantage you're seeing in a couple of states.

00:45:24.520 Before I let you go, can you just explain ballot harvesting to me?

00:45:27.580 This term gets thrown around and Republicans always complain that the Democrats do it.

00:45:33.220 But now I've seen more and more Republican groups saying we just also need to do it.

00:45:37.600 I don't fully understand what it is or whether it's legal and how it works.

00:45:42.420 Yeah, I mean, it's a term we hear a lot.

00:45:44.360 I think there's different definitions of it.

00:45:46.220 It's often, you know, bandied about with allegations of fraud.

00:45:51.520 You know, the idea like you go to a nursing home and, you know, you get everybody who has ballots there.

00:45:56.580 And maybe you fill them out yourselves, right?

00:45:59.700 I mean, there's a lot of allegations of fraud that Republicans have continually made.

00:46:05.820 Trump, of course, repeating that lie again and again and again.

00:46:10.120 And that just empirical evidence doesn't bear out that this is a significant problem.

00:46:16.440 And just to be clear, you're so you're not allowed to go.

00:46:19.520 So you could go to the nursing home, a guy like you in your position and say, would you

00:46:23.780 like me to help you register to vote?

00:46:25.360 Like, but you can't actually take their ballots.

00:46:28.380 Is that the deal in all the states?

00:46:31.660 Yeah, the laws vary at different places.

00:46:33.880 I don't know what the what the fine print says on this.

00:46:38.560 So.

00:46:40.180 So some states will let a third party take somebody else's vote.

00:46:44.020 I thought it was only potentially in some states if it was an immediate family member.

00:46:47.740 Sure. Yeah.

00:46:50.520 Yeah.

00:46:51.020 I mean, in most states for a ballot to be accounted, it needs to be properly filled out.

00:46:57.300 It needs to be signed.

00:46:58.360 It needs to be sealed in terms of a mail in ballot and how that ballot actually made its

00:47:03.680 way into the ballot box or to a polling station.

00:47:08.040 And I think there's a lot more wiggle room and flexibility around that.

00:47:13.500 But I don't know the exact details.

00:47:16.260 Can you just expand on that a little?

00:47:18.360 I know you're saying you don't have the details, but this is what worries Republicans.

00:47:21.500 This is why they think many think that the Democrats cheat, that they're going to somehow

00:47:26.180 stuff stuff.

00:47:27.760 The mailbox is full of ballots that, you know, they filled out themselves.

00:47:33.200 Or presumably if they're fake ballots, like not real people or people who are ineligible

00:47:39.160 to vote, that's supposed to get caught on the receiving end.

00:47:42.360 It's supposed to be.

00:47:44.060 But, you know, here in Connecticut, in Bridgeport, we had some mayor who was running for office

00:47:47.720 and his staff, like he was, it was this whole scandal.

00:47:51.340 They were shoving ballots into ballot boxes.

00:47:55.220 And, you know, Republicans think this is how the Democrats win elections these days.

00:48:01.500 So what comfort, if any, can you provide that that's that doesn't work?

00:48:06.360 You know, there's just been hundreds of millions of ballots cast in the last eight years.

00:48:11.560 And when people, investigators go and try to find the incidence of voter fraud, it's negligible

00:48:18.800 to the point of entirely insignificant.

00:48:21.480 I would point to the Ron DeSantis election, you know, security task force that he set up.

00:48:27.780 I mean, if there's ever going to be ballot harvesting and bad behavior, you would think

00:48:31.240 it would be in a place like Florida with all these nursing homes. 0.93

00:48:35.220 And that task force basically came up pretty empty handed.

00:48:40.300 And as there's been very few prosecutions that have been bought at the state level for

00:48:45.740 voter fraud and this kind of ballot harvesting that people are talking about.

00:48:49.860 So, you know, if you look around all these different states with, you know, hundreds of

00:48:54.220 millions of ballots cast in, you know, the last decade, and you look at how many voter

00:49:00.240 fraud prosecutions have been brought, it's just it's so negligible that I don't know why

00:49:05.420 this would remain a significant issue that continues to get a lot of attention.

00:49:10.380 I'll bet you do know why, actually.

00:49:12.820 I think we both know why it's getting a lot of attention because Trump believes it, right?

00:49:16.840 And he's pushed it quite a bit.

00:49:18.640 Now, if Trump wins this election, I think he'll say that problem has been miraculously

00:49:22.900 solved or at least overcome on the Republican side.

00:49:26.800 Look, it's going to be tight.

00:49:28.220 And it's it's almost like nerve wracking.

00:49:30.960 I guess you're feeling better today than you were when it was Joe Biden at the top of the

00:49:35.720 ticket.

00:49:36.060 Have you seen have you felt the increase in enthusiasm of the people you're trying to get

00:49:41.240 out there and get them registered?

00:49:42.580 Yeah, absolutely.

00:49:44.160 There's a tremendous increase in enthusiasm and there's a tremendous increase in fundraising,

00:49:49.400 which money is always important in elections.

00:49:52.900 And there's been a big turnaround in the polling among key demographic groups that the Democrats

00:49:58.200 need to lock down.

00:49:59.620 We haven't talked about this much.

00:50:01.420 But, you know, Biden, Biden was really struggling with a lot of young voters, a lot of black

00:50:05.300 voters, a lot of Latino voters.

00:50:07.560 And Harris has turned much of that around, but she has not turned it all around.

00:50:11.980 So she's still polling way before way below where where Biden was in 2020 with Latino voters.

00:50:19.360 Black voters are not as locked down as as one might hope for.

00:50:23.900 If you're a Democrat, young voters, the lead there is not as significant as it was in 2020.

00:50:29.200 So Democrats have a lot of work to do.

00:50:31.560 And these ground game organizations that I've been talking about that are in communities

00:50:35.940 and have built the trust to reach some of these kinds of voters are in the best position

00:50:41.720 to go out and really try to bring them around to voting for Harris.

00:50:47.080 You're saying that it's that second group of progressive ground game groups that are not

00:50:53.040 getting well funded, who are the ones who know the community can get people out.

00:50:56.760 They need money.

00:50:57.440 So both sides have their challenges.

00:50:59.520 This is it's going to be amazing to watch.

00:51:01.280 David, thank you so much for your expertise and for walking us through it.

00:51:04.880 We appreciate it.

00:51:05.940 Sure.

00:51:06.360 Great to be here.

00:51:07.100 Thanks.

00:51:08.280 Oh, wow.

00:51:09.660 It's kind of crazy that we're so close, isn't it?

00:51:12.200 I mean, I feel like this campaign has been going on for three years.

00:51:15.220 How long ago was it that Trump went up at Mar-a-Lago with a long, long announcement?

00:51:20.360 Remember, it's just been forever.

00:51:22.740 And now here we are like, how many, Steve?

00:51:28.920 It was two years ago, two years.

00:51:32.020 We've had a presidential campaign going on for two years.

00:51:34.620 It used to always just be from the summer to November, like a few months.

00:51:39.980 And now we have almost a few years of presidential campaigning.

00:51:44.080 Good gracious.

00:51:45.040 And by the way, if Trump wins, it's going to be even worse because he will be a one-term

00:51:52.500 president.

00:51:52.940 And so the campaigning for, you know, whoever's going to take over after him will start early

00:51:59.020 as well.

00:51:59.580 Okay.

00:52:00.840 I hope you found that as interesting as I did.

00:52:03.180 I feel somewhat illuminated, somewhat comforted, and somewhat disturbed.

00:52:08.940 And on that note, thanks to all of you for joining us.

00:52:11.920 And we'll be back again soon.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 04, 2024

Inside the GOP and Democratic Ground Game in Pennsylvania and Other Swing States, with Scott Presler and David Callahan ｜ Ep. 906

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