Iran Deal Risks and Fallout, with Curt Mills and Mark Halperin, Plus Jennifer Newsom's Wild Comments, with Damilare Sonoiki and Stepfanie Tyler ｜ Ep. 1291
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00:00:30.520Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:00:42.220Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
00:00:45.540Last night, President Trump and the Iranian government announcing a two-week ceasefire
00:00:50.240following 38 days of major combat operations in what was dubbed Operation Epic Fury.
00:00:56.960This comes after President Trump announced, quote, a whole civilization will die tonight, yesterday morning, if Iran did not, quote, open the fucking strait, referring to the Strait of Hormuz, where 20 percent of the world's oil supply once flowed before Iran shut it down.
00:01:13.520Iran doing this was one of the risks that our military fronted for President Trump before he began Operation Epic Fury.
00:01:21.600He apparently overruled them on those objections and did it anyway.
00:01:26.340Secretary of War Pete Hegseth this morning declaring victory and referring to the conflict
00:01:30.160in the past tense. Watch. Other presidents marked time and kicked the can down the road.
00:01:35.980President Trump made history from the strike that took out Qasem Soleimani to tearing up the
00:01:43.360disastrous Obama-Iran deal, to the precision campaign that obliterated Iran's nuclear sites
00:01:49.400in Operation Midnight Hammer, to the decisive military victory we just achieved in Operation
00:01:54.880epic fury. No other president has shown the courage and resolve of this commander in chief.
00:02:03.680But chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Dan Raisin Cain, reminding us a ceasefire does not
00:02:09.120necessarily signal the end of a conflict and that the U.S. military is ready to resume operations
00:02:15.340at a moment's notice, and they may need to. Watch. Over the course of 38 days of major combat
00:02:21.660operation the Joint Force achieved the military objectives as defined by the President.
00:02:26.980We welcome the ongoing ceasefire, and as the Secretary said, we hope that Iran chooses
00:18:07.120especially for a, let's say, detail-phobic person like Donald Trump, to ignore these little details
00:18:15.960like Lebanon. And I believe it was either he or the administration who today called Lebanon a
00:18:20.840separate skirmish. The region doesn't look at it like that, and that is going to be a problem for
00:18:25.820the ceasefire. That being said, it is a game of chicken. And the Iranians today are getting White
00:18:31.800House concessions that they're going to get sanctions relief, which is astonishing. They're
00:18:36.940getting White House concessions that there's a 10-point plan, that this is a durable 10-point
00:18:42.680plan to a workable 10-point plan. They're getting concessions for the president of the United
00:18:47.220States that they might get a toll booth. And you're getting the president of the United States
00:18:51.340to ignore the rage in Israeli media and Israeli politics. So I do think the Iranians themselves
00:18:57.620probably won't leave the deal. And so you're going to see a game of chicken in the coming days,
00:19:03.780iranians seizing boats in her moves i don't think it's fully open although of course the iranians
00:19:07.760maintain that it's open for you know non-belligerents um and then you're going to see a game of chicken
00:19:12.460where you know does net yahoo try to basically you know it's operation eternal darkness is what
00:19:18.080they're calling it do they try to kill as many people in lebanon as possible before a more durable
00:19:22.500framework is inks and you know there's there are talks this is all this is they're building the
00:19:27.220airplane while it's being flown the talks are are slated for friday in pakistan we don't know the
00:19:32.520delegation. Again, as iterated, I think it's a much more serious delegation if the vice president
00:19:38.180is there. Whatever you think of Wyckoff and Kirchner, we have seen consistent smoke signals
00:19:43.860out of Asia that the Iranians would prefer to deal with Vance. I think they look at Wyckoff
00:19:48.960and Kirchner as agents of Israel, frankly. And Vance, whatever you think of him, does not have
00:19:54.380that reputation, only bolstered further by the Times reporting this week that he opposed the war.
00:19:59.100And so, yeah, I think a serious administration posture looks like Vance in Pakistan, commitment to the deal, peace-like rhetoric from the president, and be willing to say no to Israel.
00:20:14.100If Israel continues to bomb Lebanon and Israel continues to propagate this war, an endless revenge tour for 2023, look, they had a right to response after October 7th.
00:21:41.840And honestly, you can see like near tears, like really trying to control his emotions over the fact that President Trump is trying to wrap this up now.
00:23:20.660what, are we going to just leave them there? There's nothing that we can do and we're going
00:23:24.020to wash our hands over that? That to me is morally very difficult, very difficult to accept.
00:23:31.580Yeah, I'm sure it is for Mark Levin. He wants us there forever. He would like us to be an
00:23:35.960occupying force full time in Iran after we continue this war for some untold number of
00:23:42.780months or years to accomplish all of his goals. And meanwhile, Kurt, what you have from Lindsey
00:23:48.380Graham is a demand that we get this before Congress. Now we now I look forward, he says,
00:23:53.920to getting this before Congress, you know, where he thinks it belongs so that he can get to the
00:23:59.140bottom of who pushed this whole thing through the ceasefire and, you know, how it went down.
00:24:05.000He says, I look forward to the architects of this proposal, the vice president and others
00:24:09.820coming forward to Congress and explaining how a negotiated deal meets our national security
00:24:15.480objectives in Iran. One more before I toss it back to you, and that's Laura Loomer. Forgive
00:24:21.360me for citing this absolute fucking lunatic to you in the context of a serious discussion.
00:24:26.360But she tweets out, luckily, President Trump wasn't in charge of the negotiations.
00:24:31.280Trump understands the real danger and threat posed by this regime, which is why people around him,
00:24:36.520I'm sure we can all figure out who planted the New York Times story,
00:24:40.280stabbed him in the back yesterday by leaking private situation room conversations
00:24:44.240to the New York Times to pretend like they were against the war when many of those people are on
00:24:49.700the record supporting the war themselves. So this is a direct threat against J.D. Vance, obviously.
00:24:54.820And all three of these folks seem to be saber rattling against the vice president. Your
00:24:59.580thoughts on it? Well, look, I think the vice president should relish the fight. I think he
00:25:04.880should make clear his prerogatives and his views on this. And I think it's going to be a Hollywood
00:25:10.480moment if he's in Pakistan inking a durable deal. These are all ifs. I don't know if he's going to
00:25:16.120be in Asia later this week. And I don't know if he is going to be able to get a deal over the
00:25:21.700finish line. But I think it would be a lot better than the efforts led by Wyckoff, Kushner, Rubio,
00:25:28.800the gang that was either ambivalent per the times or in favor of the war. And so I think we could
00:25:34.940do a lot worse than that approach. As to the figures you cite, yeah, I mean, they're media
00:25:40.540figures, but they're also presidential advisors, and they need to be treated as political entities.
00:25:45.040And the reality is that they are as much more, actually, as mutinous and ungrateful as people
00:25:55.760on the, I would describe as the principled America first right are accused of being.
00:26:01.000They don't get, you know, one night of bombs not falling on the Iranians and it's congressional oversight, which all of a sudden was Lizzie Graham was interested in.
00:26:10.780And all of a sudden it's, ah, Trump wasn't involved in the deal.
00:26:13.700And, ah, we need scalps in the cabinet.
00:26:15.860And, ah, we must coup d'etat the vice president.
00:26:18.760I mean, look, I just don't think people who questioned the war from the right were anywhere near this shrill.
00:26:27.840and notwithstanding the fact that they were being called anti-Semites and neo-Nazis by that same
00:26:33.620crowd. I mean, it's actually crazy the terms that were bandied about. There's a poll out today
00:26:38.080showing that the overwhelming majority of young people in this country, Republican and Democrat
00:26:43.280alike, and by young people, I mean under 50, it's not just under 30, oppose Israel, are skeptical of
00:26:50.520Israel, no longer believe, have a favorable opinion of Israel. It's 60% of the country,
00:26:55.480you know, writ large, but young people in particular, everybody under 50,
00:27:00.360the vast majorities in both parties are distrustful of Israel. And that same thing, I mean, it was
00:27:05.800a tweet exactly like that, where I said months ago that the Republican Party was losing its
00:27:13.500young people in this battle that Israel kept going on and on in Gaza, like the, you know,
00:27:19.780its opponents called the genocide, whatever you want to call it, that young Republicans believed
00:27:24.900it and were against Israel. And that even Israel's fans should be in favor of Israel stopping the
00:27:31.880campaign in Gaza and of us stopping our focus on Israel because it was bad for Israel. This is back
00:27:37.880when I was very, very supportive of Israel. And the psychopath Mark Levin actually called me a
00:27:43.020neo-Nazi. And not just me, many others who said that same, that is just a fact. And now there's
00:27:48.840yet another poll showing it's only gotten worse, Kurt. And that's what they're going to have to
00:27:53.160deal with. Even if we could declare that we had won this war, this is a classic case for Israel
00:27:59.960of winning a battle but losing the overall war. You may have won this particular thing. You may
00:28:06.780have decimated Iran's military. But in the court of public opinion, Israel is a pariah.
00:28:14.040Yeah. I mean, look, I think Israel is tactically masterful. I think they're able to do things
00:28:18.980that almost no country or intelligence service or military is able to do, I think they are
00:28:23.960intimidating. I don't want to take that away from them. But I think they are strategically chaotic
00:28:28.960and blinkered. And I mean, not only within the region, where I think, frankly, by the native
00:28:35.420population, by the Arabs, they're viewed as effectively an air force base that they can
00:28:40.620torment, but they have no natural legitimacy. And that potentially, the countries of the region
00:28:46.440could just wait them out, that there may not be in Israel in 50 to 100 years, because the
00:28:50.300contradictions of their own society will cause them to collapse. And it's a perspective,
00:28:55.720frankly, that I am much more a subscriber to than I used to be. I mean, look, as I flagged earlier,
00:29:02.880the name of the military raid this morning into Lebanon, Operation Eternal Darkness. I mean,
00:29:09.080what kind of country uses this language? I mean, we've lapsed into sort of lame militarism as well,
00:29:14.340But like Epic Fury is a kind of like, you know, like Gen X flair, Eternal Darkness is they may as well just name it, you know, Operation Orgy of Murder.
00:29:24.780I mean, I mean, we're that close to them just saying this.
00:29:27.800And it's very clear what they're doing here.
00:29:30.240They fear that the ceasefire may may hold.
00:29:33.220And they're trying to kill as many as people as possible and kind of indiscriminately.
00:29:38.640I mean, the places they've hit are not known Hezbollah strongholds.
00:29:42.880And they don't care. And I don't see how this actually serves Israel's interest. But I think they've been on this road since Netanyahu first became prime minister in the mid 90s. I think people didn't understand that at the time in America. But Netanyahu himself became prime minister as a sort of ambivalent party to the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin. I mean, this is a gangster figure that we should not be doing business with.
00:30:09.280uh two things found the phone conversation between trump and the pbs reporter she writes i asked
00:30:16.200about lebanon still being hit and if he had seen that yeah they were not included in the deal okay
00:30:22.120that's contrary to the initial reports but okay i asked why not and if they should have been potus
00:30:27.280because of hezbollah they were not included in the deal that'll get taken care of too it's all right
00:30:32.420i asked and you're okay with the israelis continuing to hit them potus it's part of the
00:30:37.240deal. Okay. Now I don't know. You just said it's not part of the deal. Everyone knows that that's
00:30:41.920a separate skirmish. Okay. You got to talk faster. I tried to then ask if he regretted the truth
00:30:48.040social post about wiping out a civilization and noticed the noted that there was a huge pushback
00:30:53.400to that. Then he hung up on me. Okay. So he's saying it's not part of the deal. It'll be dealt
00:31:00.200with later. It's a separate skirmish. And this is, yeah, that's what you were referencing,
00:31:04.940the separate skirmish comment. And then just one thing, just to elaborate on that Pew poll I just
00:31:09.200referenced, 60% of American adults now have an unfavorable view of Israel. That's up from 53%
00:31:15.800last year and up from 42% in 2022. The share of adults with a very unfavorable view of Israel,
00:31:23.340which is 28%, has also increased nine points since last year. It's tripled from 10% in 2022.
00:31:31.44059% have little or no confidence in Netanyahu to do the right thing.
00:31:58.620People wouldn't have believed it 10 years ago.
00:32:00.520People wouldn't have believed it three years ago. And it is the result of the seeds that Israel has planted and that Israel's leadership has pursued.
00:32:08.960I mean, this is a this is a manic, blinkered, psychopathic country at this point.
00:32:14.680Not everybody. There are there are people in that country who are great Jewish patriots who represent, I think, an older kind of Israeli patriotism.
00:32:26.480But the sort of seeds of Israel's, you know, natural militarism, and I'll say it, terroristic elements, were kind of there from the beginning.
00:32:35.100And I think the dark side has really come out with the Netanyahu project, and particularly since October 7th, they've really overreached.
00:32:42.660And then additionally, it's not just, you know, say what you will for the Russians.
00:32:46.120You know, the Russians invade countries.
00:33:46.180I don't think it's necessarily a red line for the Iranians.
00:33:49.680You know, people portray everybody in the Middle East as, you know, sort of a unity team America of bad guys.
00:33:57.100The reality is, yes, Hezbollah is alive with Iran, but it's a, you know, it's a wary alliance between Persians and Arabs, generally speaking.
00:34:06.220There's not a huge amount of trust there.
00:34:07.740And I do think the Iranians will not walk away from this unless the Israeli crimes in Lebanon are just unbelievably beyond the pale, which they may be.
00:35:45.840This just coming in via Yashar Ali, a great journalist online who's been covering this very closely and is himself Iranian-American.
00:36:02.600The Islamic Republic of Iran is threatening to continue keeping the Strait of Hormuz closed and now to refuse to attend the peace talks in Islamabad unless Lebanon is included in the ceasefire.
00:36:18.320Both the U.S. and Israel say Lebanon is not included.
00:36:22.340Now, Lebanon was included, according to the original statements about this deal.
00:36:28.120Remember, it was the prime minister of Pakistan who helped make it happen.
00:36:45.180Reportedly, via the New York Times, they say that Israel said they support the decision
00:36:49.860to stop attacking Iran for two weeks, but the ceasefire does not include Lebanon.
00:36:54.740And that was Israel's position. Then Trump tells the PBS reporter, yeah, Lebanon's out. They're not part of the deal. Now, was the Pakistan prime minister completely wrong? Did he make that up? Or did we just bend the knee to Israel again, originally stating that Lebanon would be included in the ceasefire?
00:37:17.740But then when Netanyahu complained once again, saying, OK, never mind, you can have your way, bomb them to smithereens.
00:37:25.140Well, if so, that may have been a miscalculation, because now not only did Iran promptly close the Strait of Hormuz, but is threatening to continue keeping it closed and now refusing, threatening to refuse to attend the peace talks unless Lebanon is included.
00:37:41.140So, I mean, like, can I, so this is, I'm going to bring in Mark Halpern.
00:37:45.360Why, Mark, he's host of Next Up with Mark Halpern, which is part of our MK Media Podcast Network.
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00:37:54.060You should do it, because especially when political news like this breaks, he's the first place you want to go.
00:38:39.420Well, look, first is on the on the Israel front, as you know, the three most complicated relationships amongst human beings are landlord, tenant, mother, daughter and any American president and Bibi.
00:38:52.120And I've actually I've actually been amazed at how under the radar, the disagreements that have existed throughout the conflict have been kept.
00:39:01.860It's been relatively rare, but it's kind of come to a head now, not just over Lebanon
00:39:07.060potentially, but also over some of the other issues.
00:39:10.240I mean, one big question for me is if there are face-to-face negotiations, is Israel in
00:48:46.240we're going to take a break and we'll come back.
00:48:47.340I mean, he is down significantly with every constituency that put him in office.
00:48:54.740And so he's gone up with the very small contingent that includes the massively hawkish neocon right.
00:49:03.380But with every other contingent, he's gone down.
00:49:07.260And so what do you think his mindset is here coming out of that?
00:49:12.300Now, even that small contingent is unhappy with him, but they'll get over it because they're very grateful for the war.
00:49:17.340But he has so much work to do in regaining the support of the of the other groups.
00:49:22.720Yeah, well, he's not he's not for reelection. And so where his support stands doesn't directly affect him.
00:49:28.880I think that that there's time, although the clock ticks for him to fix the problems by the midterms, not just by ending the war, but by doing some of the other things Republicans are talking about.
00:49:40.940um he he he's got a great sense of instincts and a great sense of timing normally but this is a
00:49:48.780complicated one and i think we don't know yet how this has gone as compared to his greatest hopes
00:49:54.960and worst nightmares he's always going to as pt bartem he's always going to sell this as a big
00:49:59.300success but uh but he he has a chance to succeed uh having done a difficult thing but there's no
00:50:07.380doubt that China and Russia must look at this and say, ha, nice try. If this was meant to intimidate
00:50:13.880us, it didn't work. And even if gas prices, as he said, they will come down now, it's still not
00:50:19.760clear if the goal was to make the American people feel he accomplished something. He's far short of
00:50:25.400that right now. Could get there, but he's far, far short of it currently. All right. More of that
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00:51:31.220mark halperin's back with me now all right mark so before we get down to the election results
00:51:38.720from last night which they don't they don't portend that well for republicans in the midterms
00:51:44.440let me just give you these stats um cook political report went through some of them men only in march
00:51:54.520of 2025, Trump had a 54% approval rating with men. Now it's at 45. So he's lost nine points
00:52:04.200with men. White non-college, working class whites. In March of 2025, Trump had a 56% approval rating.
00:52:12.760Now it's 52%. So it's minus seven. And I've seen other polls showing he's underwater too,
00:52:20.040Like more disapprove than approve. So he's down. The point is with the white working class, black voters in March of 2025, he had a 28 percent approval rating with black voters. Now it's down to 18 Latinos in March of 2025. He had a 44 percent approval rating.
00:52:38.160Now it's down to 32. Independence in March of 2025, he had a 41 percent approval rating. Now it's down 20 points to 20. No, sorry. Sorry. Now it's down to 28 percentage points.
00:52:53.680So he's fallen double digits in a lot of these categories with every group, every group that put him in office.
00:53:02.960And this, honestly, the Cook Political Report is not nearly as bad as some of the other recent polling that we've seen or the aggregate of all polls that Harry Enten uses when he does his little summaries, which I know you've seen.
01:04:10.780So I'm not saying it's good for Republicans.
01:04:14.100I'm just saying I don't think it makes it worse than we already knew it's lining up to be currently.
01:04:19.320OK, then there was the result that happened recently where there was a special election down in Florida in the district that includes Mar-a-Lago, where Trump, of course, spends most of his time, part of his time.
01:04:33.680Last month, Republican John Maples, who Trump endorsed, lost a special election for a seat in a Florida statehouse district that includes Mar-a-Lago.
01:04:47.220And then North Carolina state Senate leader Phil Berger, a powerful leader in this state, narrowly lost his primary.
01:04:54.020So that's a loss in North Carolina and a loss in Florida for Republicans.
01:04:57.880Those, I think, are also significant when we're dealing with anything in a battleground state.
01:05:02.500uh and and you know it matters to the midterms it also matters to the presidential because we've had
01:05:09.740several cycles in a row where the same seven states decide who the president is florida used
01:05:15.580to be one of those states that decided and it's become in the trump era but very red state if
01:05:22.180florida becomes a purple state again that has huge implications for the presidential it really it
01:05:28.140gives the democrats the upper hand on the electoral college so if you look at the hispanic vote the
01:05:32.940black vote the youth vote groups where donald trump performed very well in 2024 allowing him
01:05:37.340to not just win the the white house but win florida in a major way you look at ron de santis's dominance
01:05:43.180in the state that's that's why that matters a lot if you're thinking about the global national point
01:05:48.780of view in terms of south florida democrats have done very well lately in south florida and again
01:05:54.140Again, that's because it used to be a Democratic stronghold.
01:05:56.440It's become very potent under Donald Trump.
01:05:58.560If that swings back, that's a big deal.
01:06:00.760And that speaks to the politics of Florida and the demographics of the country.
01:06:06.160What about the Wisconsin Supreme Court?
01:06:08.940We had that massive battle over that one seat a year ago.
01:06:13.380Elon Musk was giving out checks for a million dollars to people who would register Republican or register a vote.
01:06:18.980And, you know, the implication was, hey, it should be Republican and you should vote Republican for this seat.
01:06:23.680Well, that went blue. That campaign by Elon did not work. The Democrat won that year by about 10 points. And now they've had an additional election.
01:06:35.600And the headline is, with 95% of the votes in, that the Democrat endorsed Chris Taylor defeated Republican-endorsed Maria Lazar, that the Democrat had 60% of the vote, the Republican had 39% of the vote.
01:06:59.560It's the fourth straight double-digit victory for a liberal candidate on the Wisconsin Supreme Court dating back to 2020.
01:07:07.680And so now the liberals have a 5-2 advantage on the high court, which is not great for Republicans.
01:07:15.200This is another swing state. And the analysis here is that consolidating the liberal hold on the high court ahead of the next presidential election, when this swing state is sure to see challenges to election results, is a good thing for Team Blue. So how significant is that?
01:07:34.000That one's significant because of everything you just laid out and the history there.
01:07:39.400Wisconsin's Supreme Court used to be a bulwark of conservatism against the legislature and against when they had Democratic governors.
01:07:48.480And Wisconsin is a state that Donald Trump won, but has in other ways seemingly been drifting blue.
01:07:56.960And it's key for the Electoral College.
01:07:59.360It's also, although Pennsylvania has kind of supplanted it as the ultimate battleground state, it's a very important battleground state, not just in terms of the presidential electoral college, but in terms of the mood of the country, in terms of what issues matter to voters.
01:08:13.100So it's significant for the people of Wisconsin.
01:08:18.100One of the things that Republicans point to in that race, as they did in that race that Musk spent so heavily on, is weak candidates.
01:08:25.140You know, you always say that if you lose an election that the press is making a big deal of, you say, well, we had a weak candidate and they did. But there's a problem if you keep ending up with weak candidates. You've got to have a party apparatus that figures out how the electorate can choose and nominate strong candidates. And I think I think that excuse in that particular category of races, I think, is run a little bit dry. Republicans can't say every time they lose a Wisconsin state Supreme Court seat. Well, we ran the wrong candidate.
01:08:52.860yeah you had notice all right so finally how do you like the chances at this moment when you think
01:09:01.940about jd vance versus marco rubio because there's a lot of debate about whose fortunes have risen
01:09:09.020whose fortunes haven't in the wake of this whole iran thing we've got a ton of reporting on this
01:09:14.280i just haven't had time to write it up in part because the war um vance is not a sure thing
01:09:19.500anymore, but I don't believe there's any circumstances under which Rubio would challenge
01:09:22.700him. I think Vance may decide not to run because he's having a new baby and he's young enough to
01:09:28.160avoid this now if he doesn't feel it's his time. And if that happens, I think Rubio would be the
01:09:34.100consensus choice, not just of the president, which matters a ton, obviously, in Republican politics,
01:09:39.000but a lot of the donors, a lot of the members of Congress, a lot of the consultant class,
01:09:42.900elected officials. So I think those two remain head and shoulders above all the rest. I think
01:09:47.700most significant thing not really as a derivative of the war but but alone but of longer running
01:09:53.460is there's too many people in the party now who including the president some days i'm told who
01:10:00.100don't feel van should just have it you know handed to him that that it should be contested and if the
01:10:05.460president doesn't endorse fans this is binary if he endorses vance i think vance will be the nominee
01:10:10.900relatively easily if he doesn't endorse him not endorsing his vice president that's what
01:10:15.540ronald reagan did that's what bill clinton did uh that's what barack obama did it's not the norm
01:10:21.460but if he chooses not to it will be a big deal that if he chooses not to and i think the the
01:10:26.480blood will be in the water and lots of people run against him but i don't think it'll be rubio i
01:10:30.360think rubio is the nominee of fans takes a pass but otherwise i think he sits it out
01:10:35.040what are you hearing over on the other team about who's is anyone pulling away from the pack
01:10:44.720I did my latest eight for 28 rankings of the most likely this week on NextUp, and no one's
01:16:25.780vows to themselves, the whole production, just without the groom. Joining me now to talk about
01:16:33.040all that, and for their Megyn Kelly show debuts, two hilarious voices on X. TV writer Domolary
01:16:40.380Sanoiki, and he's a TV writer who has written for hits like Black-ish and The Simpsons,
01:16:46.420and Stephanie Tyler, founder of Bad Girl Media and the new fashion brand, Wesley. Welcome to
01:16:53.160you both. Thank you so much for being here. Hi, thanks for having me. Thank you. All right,
01:16:58.420We got to start with this nutcase, Jennifer Siebel Newsom, who is like, I mean, we figured she was pretty woke and left being married to Gavin Newsom.
01:17:10.160She casually references the fact that she accidentally killed her sister when she, Jennifer, was six years old, which I don't think most people knew.
01:17:21.700I, of course, have since gone and looked up the story, which I'll fill in the blanks on after this soundbite.
01:17:27.380But listen to this as she as she's recounting her talks with young juvenile offenders at San Quentin prison.
01:17:38.320I had to be very raw when we interviewed the young men who were juvenile offenders in San Quentin.
01:17:45.640I told them about my own loss where my I lost my older sister a few days before my seventh birthday and I blame myself for her death.
01:17:56.140And I share that because that they ultimately were accused of committing these violent crimes and sentenced for life.
01:18:06.460And I think it shocked them that this, you know, blonde lady who was, you know, the interviewing them had a similar story, was perhaps in the wrong place at the wrong time.
01:18:18.940and but wasn't punished the way they were because clearly it was an accident but
01:18:23.960theirs was probably an accident too um so anyway i share that just because i it i guess
01:18:31.320you know i quite enjoy spending time with people and being real and unmasking
01:18:39.300and showing them that it's safe to unmask themselves beautiful beautiful
01:18:43.980what everything about that was a record scratch right it's like wait everyone who's in juvenile
01:18:52.740prison got there by accident they committed just an accidental crime all of them there's absolutely
01:18:58.240no accountability and then there's a story of the sister which is horrifically tragic um this is
01:19:05.000what happened here i'm reading from hindustan times but uh but i got it earlier from the new
01:19:11.660Post. She was a six-year-old playing with her eight-year-old sister in Hawaii. The older sister
01:19:17.260was Stacy and with other children on golf carts when the family was vacationing in Hawaii in 1981.
01:19:25.160The cart Jennifer was in suddenly went into reverse. I assume she was driving,
01:19:29.900otherwise she wouldn't blame herself. Killing Stacy, Jennifer had not noticed that her sister
01:19:36.760had been hiding out, I guess, crouching behind the vehicle.
01:19:41.480And she's had to live with that ever since
01:19:43.920in what she refers to as survivor's guilt.
01:21:13.840I mean, that's what he thinks of black people.
01:21:16.400He didn't say it that explicitly, but he might as well have.
01:21:18.340Well, it's also funny because, you know, every, you know, how often, you know, once every four years, these people go into the black church and they go into, you know, they go get chicken and waffles and they go to 125th, you know, Martin Luther King or 125th.
01:21:32.160and Lennox and Harlem, and they just disappear for four years. And so it's just funny. It's like,
01:21:35.500oh, I know that there's an election coming up because you're pandering again.
01:21:39.500All right. Here's some more girl power. You're going to like this, Stephanie. This is in case
01:21:44.360you woke up feeling disempowered today. Jennifer Newsome is here for you in SOT 22.
01:21:50.480Like every problem that we have in society right now will be fixed when women come together and
01:21:57.620partner with our male allies and other allies. But when more women are in the rooms, making
01:22:03.580decisions, changing the status quo and transforming not just our culture, but our society and our
01:22:10.060economy. I'll give you one example. Look at Silicon Valley. Had more women been early on
01:22:17.720in those companies or at the tables of power making decisions, I don't think we would have
01:22:23.540so much uh or have allowed for so much sort of bigotry racism misogyny and hate online think
01:22:31.440about who's the victims online more often than not it's women march lgbtq plus marginalized
01:22:37.800communities women of color thoughts on that stephanie i mean it's the same thing that
01:22:46.080don larry already said like there is it's always the system getting you and there's no accountability
01:22:51.680everybody's picking on us the patriarchy i more women in the rooms what does that even
01:22:58.420even mean um i think when i was in women's studies this is something that they talked a lot about
01:23:06.240like basically it was a failure to be a stay-at-home mom you need to be out there working
01:23:12.640and um i just i don't agree with like more women in the rooms it's what we need to hold space so
01:23:20.480we can all talk about our feelings and nothing gets done. A lot of the times the stuff that
01:23:25.860they're calling bigotry and, you know, like oppression is just, is literally what it takes
01:23:31.720to move the ball forward in a business. And I don't know that they understand that. I, I don't
01:23:38.740know. Plus it's like, there actually have been women in very big roles in tech virtually from
01:23:44.740the beginning. Sheryl Sandberg comes to mind who had an early seat on the Google rocket ship
01:23:48.900and then went on to be Mark Zuckerberg's number two at Facebook, now Meta for the vast majority
01:23:54.180of its existence. Elizabeth Holmes, they tried their luck with her at the helm of one of Silicon
01:24:01.040Valley's most storied companies. How'd that work out? Susan Wojcicki, who was running YouTube
01:24:07.280for many, many years, an offshoot of Google. It's a very, very large company. It's like,
01:24:13.580i'm not sure these women were the antidote that she seems to think or she seems to be kind of
01:24:19.900clueless that they were even there domilary like in her world they just didn't exist and that's
01:24:25.680why we had mean people in silicon valley also there's ursula burns she was the first uh black
01:24:29.860and the first female ceo of a fortune 500 company uh of xerox but i think this you know when i see
01:24:35.080that clip it makes me think about that 2024 map where you had all the arrows pointing right and
01:24:39.660you had the entire country shift right and i think a lot of that was driven by men and i think when
01:24:44.440you see that type of dialogue of like hey you know women and look obviously we all love women
01:24:49.000we're all pro women but it's like when you see that type of dialogue that's about you're just
01:24:53.260women we need more women women this i think about how you know how that's how you have a sneco
01:24:58.680andrew tate uh a clavicular like if you see the the rise of all these you know manosphere look
01:25:04.640smaxing, bone smashing, you know, all this stuff.
01:25:07.680I think it's men feeling like they've been chased out or they've been painted as the
01:29:07.900Well, I mean, she said she changes the name of protagonists in stories from men to women, which, or, you know, if it's a male protagonist that she's reading a story to her kids, she'll change the name to just be a woman or the pronoun to be a woman.
01:29:23.460And I don't know, that's also, that's like lying and weird.
01:30:09.500And it's like, okay, I want to check that out.
01:30:10.960And so I think this just shows that they don't have control of their household.
01:30:14.600They need to bring in legislation to keep influences out.
01:30:19.440Now, on the subject of messaging to girls, you raised this a minute ago, Stephanie, about
01:30:23.940how it's still, notwithstanding our efforts on the right to normalize being a stay-at-home
01:30:29.040mom as a totally valid choice and just as empowering as going on to be a CEO.
01:30:34.800we still have work to do uh the the opposite message is still out there and certainly dominates
01:30:40.600the left and they control us you know our media and our culture and our hollywood movies and so
01:30:44.200on which brings me to chelsea handler and the following soundbite from this 51 year old woman
01:30:49.100uh in sat 32 i like traveling a lot i like hooking up with guys i don't like to get too serious
01:30:55.760i don't want someone in my space all the time um i just am not interested in that you know it's
01:31:02.920such a different way to live nobody's ever that honest about that would you do you see yourself
01:31:07.380uh committing to like i don't know marriage or being with somebody you said you've never been
01:31:13.940with somebody for that long like could you i just think marriage is so outdated really it's just a
01:31:19.240really silly idea but you know since i've bemoaned marriage my whole entire public life i would be
01:31:25.700really hypocritical for me to get married yeah which means i'll probably do it you know at some
01:31:30.220point, I might just go, okay, fuck it. I'm, you know, I'm 50 years old, so I might as well just
01:31:34.460go get married. What, you know, what could go wrong at this point? But I don't care about
01:31:38.180marriage. I don't care about that kind of like, I feel like that's a very patriarchal thing.
01:31:43.040Anyway, you're kind of like property a little bit. Oh, it's marriage is patriarchal. It's much
01:31:50.900more fun to just hook up with guys all the way into your menopause years as she is now 51 and
01:31:58.440has, I guess, absolutely no desire to have a deep, meaningful connection with another human
01:32:03.020who's her partner in life and potentially father to a children.
01:32:07.140Yeah. I mean, I guess I thought that was cool when I was 22 and also, you know, a liberal and,
01:32:14.220you know, still figuring out who I was like, oh, I'll never get married, whatever. But yeah,
01:32:20.160I think when you're that age and I just don't know if I believe it either, what she's saying,
01:32:25.200Even the bit about how she's like, well, now I can't do it because it would make me a hypocrite.
01:32:30.420It's like you're so attached to the things that you believe and you won't, you're not willing to update those beliefs at any time because of how it'll make you look.
01:32:41.600I mean, so you haven't grown at all your whole life.
01:33:12.680Yeah, it sounds a little bit like Cope.
01:33:14.040You know, I know she dated 50 Cent, so maybe she just, you know, things didn't work out with her and her and 50 Cent.
01:33:18.360But I think also this whole idea of, you know, marriage is patriarchal.
01:33:21.380You know, when I grew up, I listened to a lot of, I still listened to a lot of rap, a lot of hip-hop, a lot of, watched a lot of NBA basketball.
01:33:27.180And a lot of icons in those places are people who came from single-parent households and came from poverty.
01:33:32.360You know, Tupac or, you know, different rappers and basketball players.
01:33:35.760And I used to think that, you know, coming from a single-parent household or whatever was some sort of, you know, projected that you would do well in life.
01:33:42.720As I got older, I realized it's actually the opposite. If you look at any, you know, any sort of linear or longitudinal study of people's success, coming from a stable two-parent household, whether it's sports, it's music, anything, you know, increases your chances for success in life. So I think just this idea of preaching that it's this negative thing, marriage is actually this very stable thing. You know, it's a very great thing. It's an incredible thing that's been invented that really promotes stability and prosperity.
01:38:01.280And I think one thing that's really good about Trump, he never apologizes.
01:38:03.760One thing you notice about Trump, he never apologizes.
01:38:05.440And I think it's the right instinct because these people who are trying to cancel someone, they don't want, you know, they want you to kill yourself.
01:38:11.600I generally think that they want you to die.
01:38:13.620You know, they want you to just never be able to work again to never—
01:38:16.940You wouldn't behave differently if that were your goal.
01:38:20.300You would behave no differently than these leftist cancellation lovers.
01:38:35.480He's lost, you know, his business partnerships.
01:38:38.820And I think that it just shows that this idea that we were sold during the peak, what we call peak woke, peak cancel culture, that it's just about accountability and apologizing and growing.
01:38:48.320It's like, no, they want to see you destroyed.
01:38:50.480And I think kudos to Kanye, kudos to people who keep going, who persevered through this, because I think that you cannot let them win.
01:38:58.500Keep going is literally the best advice for anyone facing cancellation of any kind.
01:47:56.020What do you think, Damalari? Because, you know, I don't know that he ever took those texts or, you know, I love you's to a physical encounter. So far from what we know, it seems to have been enough for him to don the little hot pink biker shorts or this woman says thong himself and put on the big fake boobs and like get off on like dirty talk with these ladies.
01:48:24.380Yeah, you know, I'm kind of of two minds of it.
01:48:27.080I think on the one hand, you know, if you're not harming anyone, you know, to each their own, people have different interests.
01:48:45.620No, I think that, you know, but on the other hand, I do think this type of deviance, first of all, you're in a, it shows poor judgment, right?
01:49:53.460People are like, you know, there are these eyes wide shut parties.
01:49:55.940And you hear that about D.C., about just this weird stuff.
01:49:58.440And Madison Cothorn said it's on both sides.
01:50:00.460You know, these weird, just weirdness.
01:50:02.500And I think as you elevate in society, there's just this weird stuff.
01:50:06.260You know, I don't know how to deal with it.
01:50:08.480Oh, in News 2, the stories I could tell you.
01:50:12.980Now, like, I can't name who it is, but trust me when I tell you there is a pair of news individuals out there that is big time into the swinger parties.
01:50:23.940And like, it's just crazy because these people are on people's screens every night as like, OK, legitimate, serious news people.
01:50:32.420And like the compromise that people have on them is amazing.
01:57:53.420I mean, I think the past 10 years and also going back to what Miss Newsome said about sort of sort of anti-male rhetoric, you know, what do you think, Stephanie?
01:58:03.640No, that's exactly what I was going to say, actually, is just this feminization of men and making men feel like they can't be forward or, you know, it's it's scary out there, I'm sure, because you can get canceled for just about anything.
01:58:20.680I mean, I guess we're past the peak of that. But for a while there, I mean, I think Domilary mentioned Aziz and that was literally a bad date that he got canceled for. A woman couldn't say no or whatever. So I just think we've put men in a bad spot where why why try it? You know, there's consent, but it's like, oh, well, it was forced coercion. And there's just all this new talk around it.
02:02:44.800My executive producer has corrected me that they posted the whole video first and then there was outrage.
02:02:51.400And then they took it down and reposted an edited version, which is stupid, too.
02:02:56.900Of course, people were going to notice, and so what they took out in the sanitized version was they removed her mentioning that the boy was six.
02:03:05.600They removed her mentioning, and I quote, that his little ding-a-ling was out.
02:03:10.940The original video showed that one castmate saying, oh, honey, I think you're on a list somewhere.
02:03:16.900I don't think that made the final cut.
02:03:18.440removed her saying that he wasn't wearing underwear
02:06:57.140You do stupid things a lot when you're six.
02:06:59.500And it takes a grownup, an authority figure, like a counselor to talk to you about why they're inappropriate, not do something far more inappropriate to you, right?