The Megyn Kelly Show - Iran Deal Risks and Fallout, with Curt Mills and Mark Halperin, Plus Jennifer Newsom's Wild Comments, with Damilare Sonoiki and Stepfanie Tyler ｜ Ep. 1291

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00:00:30.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.220 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.540 Last night, President Trump and the Iranian government announcing a two-week ceasefire

00:00:50.240 following 38 days of major combat operations in what was dubbed Operation Epic Fury. 0.72

00:00:56.960 This comes after President Trump announced, quote, a whole civilization will die tonight, yesterday morning, if Iran did not, quote, open the fucking strait, referring to the Strait of Hormuz, where 20 percent of the world's oil supply once flowed before Iran shut it down.

00:01:13.520 Iran doing this was one of the risks that our military fronted for President Trump before he began Operation Epic Fury. 0.59

00:01:21.600 He apparently overruled them on those objections and did it anyway.

00:01:26.340 Secretary of War Pete Hegseth this morning declaring victory and referring to the conflict

00:01:30.160 in the past tense. Watch. Other presidents marked time and kicked the can down the road.

00:01:35.980 President Trump made history from the strike that took out Qasem Soleimani to tearing up the

00:01:43.360 disastrous Obama-Iran deal, to the precision campaign that obliterated Iran's nuclear sites

00:01:49.400 in Operation Midnight Hammer, to the decisive military victory we just achieved in Operation

00:01:54.880 epic fury. No other president has shown the courage and resolve of this commander in chief.

00:02:03.680 But chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Dan Raisin Cain, reminding us a ceasefire does not

00:02:09.120 necessarily signal the end of a conflict and that the U.S. military is ready to resume operations

00:02:15.340 at a moment's notice, and they may need to. Watch. Over the course of 38 days of major combat

00:02:21.660 operation the Joint Force achieved the military objectives as defined by the President. 1.00

00:02:26.980 We welcome the ongoing ceasefire, and as the Secretary said, we hope that Iran chooses

00:02:32.860 a lasting peace.

00:02:34.540 But as Secretary Hegseth said, let us be clear, a ceasefire is a pause, and the Joint Force

00:02:39.840 remains ready if ordered or called upon to resume combat operations with the same speed

00:02:46.900 and precision as we've demonstrated over the last 38 days.

00:02:50.880 we hope that that is not the case. President Trump, for his part, sounding thrilled and ready

00:02:56.520 to do business with Iran. Here he is shortly after midnight on Truth Social, quote, a big day for

00:03:02.380 world peace. Iran wants it to happen. They've had enough. Likewise, so is everyone else. The United 0.83

00:03:08.240 States of America will be helping with the traffic buildup in the Strait of Hormuz. There will be lots

00:03:12.860 of positive action. Big money will be made. Iran can start the reconstruction process. We'll be

00:03:19.100 loading up with supplies of all kinds and just hanging around in order to make sure that everything

00:03:23.440 goes well. I feel confident that it will, just like we are experiencing in the U.S.

00:03:28.240 This could be the golden age of the Middle East, unquote. Okay, I'm sorry, but I know that this is 1.00

00:03:35.300 what President Trump does. He tries to put the most positive spin on very unfortunate situations,

00:03:40.020 and that is what he's clearly doing here. It's as if we didn't bomb them to smithereens. It's

00:03:44.960 if we didn't start a war and bomb Iran for the past 38 days. Um, and I, that cannot be undone 0.96

00:03:53.840 with a sunny tweet or truth social because already things are going south on this ceasefire. All

00:04:01.440 right. I'll get to that in one second, by the way, it's still totally unclear what exactly has been

00:04:05.940 agreed to and even what exactly we're willing to negotiate. Uh, and, and how, how open is the

00:04:12.940 Strait of Hormuz because Fox News' Jennifer Griffin, citing Iranian state media, is reporting

00:04:17.820 that Iran allowed two tankers through, but quote, they will block the strait as long as Israel

00:04:22.620 attacks Lebanon. And this just breaking from Fox News' Trey Yingst, Iranian state media reporting

00:04:29.680 the passage of oil tankers through the Strait of Hormuz has been stopped after Israeli strikes in

00:04:34.580 Lebanon. Now, the issue of Lebanon is very sticky because at first it appeared, we thought, that

00:04:42.700 part of the ceasefire was Israel would stop bombing them, would stop bombing Lebanon.

00:04:48.840 But then Israel continued bombing Lebanon and came out and said, we're not part of this.

00:04:53.420 We didn't agree to that. It's not part of it. We can bomb Lebanon all we want.

00:04:57.260 And then Iran said, what? We thought Lebanon was part of it. And now here we are at 1204 0.99

00:05:03.020 on Wednesday with the strait closed again, because our good friend and special ally Israel

00:05:11.280 is fucking up the ceasefire within 12 hours of it being struck.

00:05:18.340 They're bombing Lebanon, so the strait is closed again.

00:05:23.620 Our special good friend that got us into this war

00:05:26.220 and really doesn't want us getting out, really doesn't want it.

00:05:32.220 Netanyahu's already taking political fire back at home,

00:05:34.920 saying this is the worst situation that we've ever been in.

00:05:37.820 Like what you've done here, you've unleashed a war.

00:05:40.580 Now you're going to end it on these conditions.

00:05:43.000 I mean, the 10-point plan would be amazing.

00:05:45.780 It would be amazing for Iran.

00:05:48.320 We're like, sounds good.

00:05:49.820 I know why we're like, sounds good, because President Trump's poll numbers are going through the basement.

00:05:55.520 They're like on a nosedive as fast as Artemis went up.

00:06:00.180 His poll numbers are going down.

00:06:01.880 So he had to get out of this, and I support him getting out of it.

00:06:04.300 Don't get me wrong, but I can see why Israel's concerned.

00:06:06.820 um okay here's by the way the 10 point peace plan includes end Israeli strikes in Lebanon

00:06:14.260 we haven't agreed to all of these things yet I should point out but uh they want the sanctions

00:06:20.140 off of Iran they want uh the Strait of Hormuz open this is Iran Iran's points they want Iran

00:06:28.760 to be able to impose a two million dollar fee per ship trans transist uh going through the

00:06:33.780 Strait of Hormuz. They want a guarantee that they won't be attacked again. They want a permanent

00:06:41.440 end to war. And they want a lifting of all U.S. sanctions on Iran. Lifting of all U.S. sanctions.

00:06:50.080 Now, Iran is not going to like that. I mean, Israel is not going to like that. And they don't

00:06:54.760 like that. So it's a very precarious situation. Israel doesn't like the deal. Israel appears to

00:07:00.600 be violating the deal. Israel's bombing Lebanon. President Trump this morning telling ABC News

00:07:05.500 of Jonathan Karl that the U.S., when it comes to the Strait of Hormuz, well, it's going to be a

00:07:10.980 joint venture. It's now going to be a joint venture. So we don't know what's happening

00:07:14.540 with the strait. But this thing is very precarious. How is it going to be a joint venture between us

00:07:19.680 and Iran in administering these tolls that are being slapped on ships going through the Strait

00:07:24.080 of Hormuz, which, you know, used to be free? There was no toll. Iran wasn't using the strait

00:07:29.780 as a money-making opportunity.

00:07:32.040 And the Gulf Arabs are already objecting to this,

00:07:34.180 saying, we're not paying a damn toll. 0.57

00:07:35.680 What is this? 0.74

00:07:36.300 We didn't agree to this.

00:07:37.740 How is this better for us? 0.97

00:07:40.300 Iran gets richer. 0.87

00:07:41.900 Our actual allies get poorer. 0.54

00:07:44.300 How is this like a boon?

00:07:46.080 And if we were to lift all the sanctions on Iran,

00:07:48.440 my God, it's amazing for Iran.

00:07:50.940 You make all this money to the strait,

00:07:52.640 the sanctions are lifted.

00:07:54.700 Like, great.

00:07:57.180 An Iranian union rep telling the Financial Times

00:07:59.760 the number being discussed that they're going to charge in the strait, which they now control, 1.00

00:08:04.680 is $1 per barrel of oil passing through the strait, paid in crypto, crypto, like all thieves

00:08:12.040 require. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, in 2025, 20 million barrels of oil

00:08:18.480 and oil products pass through the strait every day, every day. Now, what is Iran going to do

00:08:26.520 with $20 million a day going into its coffers.

00:08:32.340 I guess we'll find out.

00:08:34.680 The president also telling the New York Post

00:08:36.460 that in-person talks with the Iranians

00:08:38.400 at a summit in Iran will happen, quote, very soon.

00:08:41.620 Steve Wyckoff and Jared Kushner

00:08:42.940 are expected to represent the U.S.

00:08:45.360 And President Trump said that Vice President J.D. Vance,

00:08:48.600 who was supposed to attend,

00:08:49.700 might not be now due to security concerns.

00:08:52.780 So the one guy who we know is really against the whole war

00:08:55.900 is now potentially going to be pulled from the negotiations, allegedly due to security

00:09:02.840 concerns. So we're not able to keep the vice president safe in Pakistan? We can't?

00:09:11.140 Joining me now to discuss this and try to unpack it, I know it's confusing, is Kurt Mills. He is

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00:10:29.480 So, Kurt, your thoughts on the ceasefire deal?

00:10:34.540 Trying to be hopeful here. I think on the face of it, if this thing holds,

00:10:40.080 it's not the worst thing in the world with the war having started. So the war stops,

00:10:45.480 The Iranian framework is ambitious for them, but it's better than the war continuing. 0.97

00:10:52.840 And I will say you shouldn't necessarily judge a plan on who's upset today, but hawks in

00:11:00.400 the United States like Mark Levin, Laura Loomer, the Israeli hard right are aghast at this

00:11:05.780 plan.

00:11:06.300 And so given the course that they have driven civilization on as of late, it's not the worst

00:11:13.320 thing in the world to see these people experience a little setback for their dark ambitions.

00:11:20.240 I'm happy. He can slap together whatever plan he wants to bring it to a close. I've said all along,

00:11:24.640 I'll go along with it. Fine. But I also am not going to pretend that this is some big victory

00:11:29.060 for the United States. It's just not. It really could be an amazing victory for Iran if they get

00:11:34.180 some of these terms. Again, I think that the messaging here has to be a little careful. You

00:11:39.120 don't want to encourage President Trump to go back into war. I think that the reality is if he

00:11:45.040 signs a deal like this, if they're serious, if they send someone like the vice president as

00:11:50.240 opposed to sort of trudging out Kushner-Wikhoff once again, and they ink something and the

00:11:57.260 Israelis are held in check, which is these are all enormous ifs. This is much, much better for 0.97

00:12:05.420 the United States. It's much, much better for the administration. It's much, much better for

00:12:08.900 MAGA. It's much, much better for Republicans than the war continuing. So, you know, I opposed this

00:12:14.740 war from the start. I opposed the march to war. I opposed the assassination of Soleimani in 2020.

00:12:20.700 But, you know, all the developments, seeing Trump talk about setting up some sort of toll booth, 0.98

00:12:26.360 which is a joint venture with the Iranians in the scheme of things from annihilating civilization 0.60

00:12:32.540 and potentially using a super secret weapon or a nuclear bomb on Tehran, which is what we 0.87

00:12:37.180 kind of thought might happen last night um this isn't all that bad so just just trying to trying

00:12:42.500 to put a little spring cheer here no i understand um i mean my it's just maybe we're in different

00:12:48.560 businesses my business is the truth no no no it definitely are i don't try to manipulate the

00:12:53.280 president and i just don't like i i'm glad it's coming to an end don't get me wrong i'd much

00:12:58.040 prefer this to annihilation of iran but i'm just like i'm not willing to pretend that this is some

00:13:02.860 huge victory for us. It's just not. Militarily, we were amazing, of course. Our military is second

00:13:07.980 to none. They were powerful. They were mighty. They were pristine. But the end result of this

00:13:15.120 38 days is the strait is now controlled by Iran. It wasn't before. It now costs a toll potentially 0.99

00:13:22.420 to get through. It didn't before. The United States military, despite its incredible performance,

00:13:28.720 has been proven to be incapable of controlling this particular enemy, which realized it has a

00:13:34.640 much more powerful weapon than a nuke. It controls the Strait of Hormuz, or at least potentially it

00:13:41.040 can. And that could bring world powers to their knees because as it asserted that control, the

00:13:47.500 United States president saw his poll numbers go down precipitously and eventually said, okay, I

00:13:53.920 give. I agree with all of that. I'm just stipulating that this is not necessarily the

00:14:01.200 worst possible situation. I do think the Iranian control of the strait may just happen, frankly, 1.00

00:14:07.840 that the war may end with something functioning like an Iranian tollbooth. And although we didn't 0.74

00:14:14.220 have this before the war, and this is why the war was a bad idea, I do think it wouldn't end

00:14:18.980 world either one dollar on every you know a hundred dollars of a barrel of oil one percent

00:14:24.420 whatever you want to cut it um is not going to bring the global economy to its knees uh we've

00:14:29.140 obviously absorbed you know 10 20 30 40 dollar price hikes and swings in the in the recent weeks

00:14:35.940 um so i i think the goal here basically should be a durable understanding with the islamic republic

00:14:42.580 of iran that is negotiated ruthlessly in american interest and not on behalf of israel and i think

00:14:48.660 think that's all that really matters. And I think if we do that, then Trump will have his Middle

00:14:54.960 East peace that he says he wants, even though he took a very circuitous route to it.

00:15:01.020 How are we going to have peace when Israel is still bombing Lebanon? 0.85

00:15:04.980 We have to check Israel. I mean, the essential story here is that this war will never end. 0.98

00:15:10.660 The nightmare in the Middle East will never end unless the United States says no to Israel. 0.52

00:15:14.100 And it's not just a Donald Trump thing. It was a Joe Biden thing. It's been other 0.86

00:15:18.600 presidents uh i'm not i don't mean to indicate that trump has said yes to every single thing

00:15:22.840 that netanyahu's wanted um but uh you know no one said yes to an iran war uh joint u.s israeli

00:15:29.720 strikes and the israeli appetite is just getting uh uh more you know ambitious uh did the strikes

00:15:39.320 this morning in lebanon are the most severe by some metrics since the 1982 war and so yeah it's

00:15:45.320 It's a major problem myself. I think we should cut them off. I think we should not have a new

00:15:51.060 memorandum of understanding of the Israelis. I don't think we should sell arms to them. 1.00

00:15:55.200 I don't think we should necessarily even be allied with this country. It's a global pariah,

00:16:00.640 and for good reason. The Wall Street Journal just dropping a piece moments ago that reports

00:16:08.040 Israel, which was not formally part of the Iran negotiations, was not happy that it got word of

00:16:14.540 a deal at a late stage. They found out very late in the process, and they were not consulted,

00:16:21.100 according to mediators and a person familiar with the matter. The extent of the consultation

00:16:24.660 was President Trump calling Netanyahu shortly before the ceasefire was announced,

00:16:28.580 a White House official said. Netanyahu agreed to participate in the ceasefire, said the official.

00:16:32.780 The Israeli prime minister's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment,

00:16:35.820 but mediators said Israeli officials were unhappy with the terms, including the planned

00:16:40.840 inclusion of Lebanon in the agreement. Okay. So there was the planned inclusion of Lebanon

00:16:47.440 in the agreement, but Netanyahu saying it wasn't included in the agreement. And that's why he's

00:16:54.440 going to continue bombing and bombing and bombing it. And now president Trump gave an interview

00:16:59.240 moments ago to, um, PBS, the white house reporter who he hung up on, who he told her, yeah, it

00:17:09.560 wasn't, it wasn't included. It wasn't included. So now it's, it's shifted from it's included

00:17:14.500 and BB's pissed off to Netanyahu saying it's not included. We're going to keep bombing and they

00:17:21.200 are bombing to president Trump telling PBS it wasn't included. So clearly he's given Netanyahu 0.97

00:17:27.700 this one, you know, cherry. Okay. You can, you can continue to take out Lebanon, 0.51

00:17:33.480 but the Iranians just closed the Strait of Hormuz because of this particular cherry that was given 0.80

00:17:39.320 to our special close ally, Israel.

00:17:41.460 So, I mean, it's not going well so far, Kurt.

00:17:44.900 Well, look, isolation always impairs judgment.

00:17:47.800 And this is the problem

00:17:48.800 with having non-normalized relations with countries,

00:17:51.520 even as countries with whom we have a fraught relationship

00:17:55.860 like with, such as Iran.

00:17:57.960 We effectively pass messages

00:17:59.800 through a variety of interlocutors

00:18:01.680 throughout this process,

00:18:03.200 Oman, Qatar, and now Pakistan.

00:18:05.740 And so it's very easy,

00:18:07.120 especially for a, let's say, detail-phobic person like Donald Trump, to ignore these little details

00:18:15.960 like Lebanon. And I believe it was either he or the administration who today called Lebanon a

00:18:20.840 separate skirmish. The region doesn't look at it like that, and that is going to be a problem for

00:18:25.820 the ceasefire. That being said, it is a game of chicken. And the Iranians today are getting White

00:18:31.800 House concessions that they're going to get sanctions relief, which is astonishing. They're 0.81

00:18:36.940 getting White House concessions that there's a 10-point plan, that this is a durable 10-point

00:18:42.680 plan to a workable 10-point plan. They're getting concessions for the president of the United

00:18:47.220 States that they might get a toll booth. And you're getting the president of the United States

00:18:51.340 to ignore the rage in Israeli media and Israeli politics. So I do think the Iranians themselves

00:18:57.620 probably won't leave the deal. And so you're going to see a game of chicken in the coming days, 1.00

00:19:03.780 iranians seizing boats in her moves i don't think it's fully open although of course the iranians

00:19:07.760 maintain that it's open for you know non-belligerents um and then you're going to see a game of chicken

00:19:12.460 where you know does net yahoo try to basically you know it's operation eternal darkness is what

00:19:18.080 they're calling it do they try to kill as many people in lebanon as possible before a more durable

00:19:22.500 framework is inks and you know there's there are talks this is all this is they're building the

00:19:27.220 airplane while it's being flown the talks are are slated for friday in pakistan we don't know the

00:19:32.520 delegation. Again, as iterated, I think it's a much more serious delegation if the vice president

00:19:38.180 is there. Whatever you think of Wyckoff and Kirchner, we have seen consistent smoke signals

00:19:43.860 out of Asia that the Iranians would prefer to deal with Vance. I think they look at Wyckoff 0.99

00:19:48.960 and Kirchner as agents of Israel, frankly. And Vance, whatever you think of him, does not have

00:19:54.380 that reputation, only bolstered further by the Times reporting this week that he opposed the war.

00:19:59.100 And so, yeah, I think a serious administration posture looks like Vance in Pakistan, commitment to the deal, peace-like rhetoric from the president, and be willing to say no to Israel. 0.75

00:20:14.100 If Israel continues to bomb Lebanon and Israel continues to propagate this war, an endless revenge tour for 2023, look, they had a right to response after October 7th. 0.83

00:20:26.060 I don't deny it to that. 0.74

00:20:27.540 But if this is just the story of the 2020s forever and ever, I think that both parties 0.71

00:20:33.760 need to look at cutting the Israelis off and looking at this is no longer a friendly or 0.82

00:20:38.500 an allied country. 0.99

00:20:39.960 Yeah.

00:20:40.680 I mean, it's clear from that New York Times piece yesterday that what we'd been saying

00:20:44.160 all along and what Marco Rubio said on the first day was correct. 0.91

00:20:48.860 Israel got us into this war. 0.89

00:20:50.620 President Trump got us into this war, but it was at Israel's behest and urging and convincing 0.70

00:20:55.020 in the situation room, being treated like an equal

00:20:57.860 directly across from President Trump

00:21:00.240 on the sides of the table.

00:21:01.960 Not even with President Trump,

00:21:03.180 our commander in chief at the head of the table,

00:21:05.100 sitting across BB like they are equals

00:21:06.820 in an American situation room.

00:21:08.620 It's incredible.

00:21:10.540 Mark Levin is unhappy, which makes me happy.

00:21:13.840 And I'm sure you too, as you said at the top.

00:21:16.420 But he and Lindsey Graham are both, of course,

00:21:19.840 they're truly in love with President Trump right now.

00:21:22.920 These original never Trumpers are very much in love with President Trump because he did this.

00:21:27.300 But they're having to really reconcile with it, Kurt, because he didn't he's not ending it the way they want.

00:21:32.360 He does. They don't want it ended at all.

00:21:34.200 They want it to keep going and going and going.

00:21:35.960 So they're they're really wrestling.

00:21:37.640 And I want to show you some of that.

00:21:39.320 Mark Levin was on Hannity last night.

00:21:41.840 And honestly, you can see like near tears, like really trying to control his emotions over the fact that President Trump is trying to wrap this up now.

00:21:49.400 It's not six.

00:21:50.740 I trust President Trump.

00:21:52.300 I know his heart. I know he wants to do the right thing. I know he has Lilliputians who are telling

00:21:58.420 him to do something else. I know he has other advisers telling him to do something else. He's

00:22:04.640 the most understanding, competent of the bunch. But I would say this, this enemy is still the enemy.

00:22:15.560 They're still surviving. Their military may be destroyed, but the communist Chinese will still 0.99

00:22:22.120 help them. The Russians will still help them to rebuild. And so this thing's not over. And it's

00:22:28.700 not that I'm a warmonger. It's that they're a warmonger. It's not that I'm an interventionist.

00:22:34.540 They're an interventionist. I agree with the president. We need to protect our country. We

00:22:39.640 need to protect our homeland. They're not going to go away if there's not regime change. And we're

00:22:44.540 going to have to figure out, and it's not going to be easy, how to keep our foot on their throat. 1.00

00:22:50.660 And I pray this enemy drops dead. 0.99

00:22:53.700 How do you like that? 0.97

00:22:55.720 I kind of like it.

00:22:58.000 You see him at the end where he's like blinking his eyes.

00:23:00.620 He's doing deep breathing.

00:23:02.280 I'm just going to show you one more.

00:23:03.680 SOT7.

00:23:05.100 What do we do to enforce whatever it is we agree to?

00:23:09.840 How do we enforce it?

00:23:11.580 Are we going to have certain rearrangement of our military?

00:23:14.520 We can have another base there.

00:23:16.100 But how are we going to do that?

00:23:17.960 What about the people of Iran? 1.00

00:23:20.660 what, are we going to just leave them there? There's nothing that we can do and we're going 1.00

00:23:24.020 to wash our hands over that? That to me is morally very difficult, very difficult to accept.

00:23:31.580 Yeah, I'm sure it is for Mark Levin. He wants us there forever. He would like us to be an

00:23:35.960 occupying force full time in Iran after we continue this war for some untold number of 0.73

00:23:42.780 months or years to accomplish all of his goals. And meanwhile, Kurt, what you have from Lindsey

00:23:48.380 Graham is a demand that we get this before Congress. Now we now I look forward, he says,

00:23:53.920 to getting this before Congress, you know, where he thinks it belongs so that he can get to the

00:23:59.140 bottom of who pushed this whole thing through the ceasefire and, you know, how it went down.

00:24:05.000 He says, I look forward to the architects of this proposal, the vice president and others

00:24:09.820 coming forward to Congress and explaining how a negotiated deal meets our national security

00:24:15.480 objectives in Iran. One more before I toss it back to you, and that's Laura Loomer. Forgive

00:24:21.360 me for citing this absolute fucking lunatic to you in the context of a serious discussion. 0.99

00:24:26.360 But she tweets out, luckily, President Trump wasn't in charge of the negotiations. 0.99

00:24:31.280 Trump understands the real danger and threat posed by this regime, which is why people around him,

00:24:36.520 I'm sure we can all figure out who planted the New York Times story,

00:24:40.280 stabbed him in the back yesterday by leaking private situation room conversations

00:24:44.240 to the New York Times to pretend like they were against the war when many of those people are on

00:24:49.700 the record supporting the war themselves. So this is a direct threat against J.D. Vance, obviously.

00:24:54.820 And all three of these folks seem to be saber rattling against the vice president. Your

00:24:59.580 thoughts on it? Well, look, I think the vice president should relish the fight. I think he

00:25:04.880 should make clear his prerogatives and his views on this. And I think it's going to be a Hollywood

00:25:10.480 moment if he's in Pakistan inking a durable deal. These are all ifs. I don't know if he's going to 0.98

00:25:16.120 be in Asia later this week. And I don't know if he is going to be able to get a deal over the

00:25:21.700 finish line. But I think it would be a lot better than the efforts led by Wyckoff, Kushner, Rubio,

00:25:28.800 the gang that was either ambivalent per the times or in favor of the war. And so I think we could

00:25:34.940 do a lot worse than that approach. As to the figures you cite, yeah, I mean, they're media

00:25:40.540 figures, but they're also presidential advisors, and they need to be treated as political entities.

00:25:45.040 And the reality is that they are as much more, actually, as mutinous and ungrateful as people

00:25:55.760 on the, I would describe as the principled America first right are accused of being.

00:26:01.000 They don't get, you know, one night of bombs not falling on the Iranians and it's congressional oversight, which all of a sudden was Lizzie Graham was interested in.

00:26:10.780 And all of a sudden it's, ah, Trump wasn't involved in the deal.

00:26:13.700 And, ah, we need scalps in the cabinet.

00:26:15.860 And, ah, we must coup d'etat the vice president.

00:26:18.760 I mean, look, I just don't think people who questioned the war from the right were anywhere near this shrill.

00:26:26.520 Yeah, no, of course.

00:26:27.840 and notwithstanding the fact that they were being called anti-Semites and neo-Nazis by that same

00:26:33.620 crowd. I mean, it's actually crazy the terms that were bandied about. There's a poll out today

00:26:38.080 showing that the overwhelming majority of young people in this country, Republican and Democrat

00:26:43.280 alike, and by young people, I mean under 50, it's not just under 30, oppose Israel, are skeptical of

00:26:50.520 Israel, no longer believe, have a favorable opinion of Israel. It's 60% of the country,

00:26:55.480 you know, writ large, but young people in particular, everybody under 50,

00:27:00.360 the vast majorities in both parties are distrustful of Israel. And that same thing, I mean, it was

00:27:05.800 a tweet exactly like that, where I said months ago that the Republican Party was losing its 0.67

00:27:13.500 young people in this battle that Israel kept going on and on in Gaza, like the, you know,

00:27:19.780 its opponents called the genocide, whatever you want to call it, that young Republicans believed

00:27:24.900 it and were against Israel. And that even Israel's fans should be in favor of Israel stopping the

00:27:31.880 campaign in Gaza and of us stopping our focus on Israel because it was bad for Israel. This is back 0.76

00:27:37.880 when I was very, very supportive of Israel. And the psychopath Mark Levin actually called me a

00:27:43.020 neo-Nazi. And not just me, many others who said that same, that is just a fact. And now there's

00:27:48.840 yet another poll showing it's only gotten worse, Kurt. And that's what they're going to have to

00:27:53.160 deal with. Even if we could declare that we had won this war, this is a classic case for Israel 1.00

00:27:59.960 of winning a battle but losing the overall war. You may have won this particular thing. You may 0.99

00:28:06.780 have decimated Iran's military. But in the court of public opinion, Israel is a pariah. 0.78

00:28:14.040 Yeah. I mean, look, I think Israel is tactically masterful. I think they're able to do things

00:28:18.980 that almost no country or intelligence service or military is able to do, I think they are

00:28:23.960 intimidating. I don't want to take that away from them. But I think they are strategically chaotic

00:28:28.960 and blinkered. And I mean, not only within the region, where I think, frankly, by the native 1.00

00:28:35.420 population, by the Arabs, they're viewed as effectively an air force base that they can 0.99

00:28:40.620 torment, but they have no natural legitimacy. And that potentially, the countries of the region 0.99

00:28:46.440 could just wait them out, that there may not be in Israel in 50 to 100 years, because the

00:28:50.300 contradictions of their own society will cause them to collapse. And it's a perspective, 0.90

00:28:55.720 frankly, that I am much more a subscriber to than I used to be. I mean, look, as I flagged earlier,

00:29:02.880 the name of the military raid this morning into Lebanon, Operation Eternal Darkness. I mean,

00:29:09.080 what kind of country uses this language? I mean, we've lapsed into sort of lame militarism as well,

00:29:14.340 But like Epic Fury is a kind of like, you know, like Gen X flair, Eternal Darkness is they may as well just name it, you know, Operation Orgy of Murder.

00:29:24.780 I mean, I mean, we're that close to them just saying this.

00:29:27.800 And it's very clear what they're doing here.

00:29:30.240 They fear that the ceasefire may may hold. 0.60

00:29:33.220 And they're trying to kill as many as people as possible and kind of indiscriminately.

00:29:38.640 I mean, the places they've hit are not known Hezbollah strongholds. 0.92

00:29:42.880 And they don't care. And I don't see how this actually serves Israel's interest. But I think they've been on this road since Netanyahu first became prime minister in the mid 90s. I think people didn't understand that at the time in America. But Netanyahu himself became prime minister as a sort of ambivalent party to the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin. I mean, this is a gangster figure that we should not be doing business with. 0.88

00:30:09.280 uh two things found the phone conversation between trump and the pbs reporter she writes i asked

00:30:16.200 about lebanon still being hit and if he had seen that yeah they were not included in the deal okay

00:30:22.120 that's contrary to the initial reports but okay i asked why not and if they should have been potus

00:30:27.280 because of hezbollah they were not included in the deal that'll get taken care of too it's all right

00:30:32.420 i asked and you're okay with the israelis continuing to hit them potus it's part of the

00:30:37.240 deal. Okay. Now I don't know. You just said it's not part of the deal. Everyone knows that that's

00:30:41.920 a separate skirmish. Okay. You got to talk faster. I tried to then ask if he regretted the truth

00:30:48.040 social post about wiping out a civilization and noticed the noted that there was a huge pushback

00:30:53.400 to that. Then he hung up on me. Okay. So he's saying it's not part of the deal. It'll be dealt

00:31:00.200 with later. It's a separate skirmish. And this is, yeah, that's what you were referencing,

00:31:04.940 the separate skirmish comment. And then just one thing, just to elaborate on that Pew poll I just

00:31:09.200 referenced, 60% of American adults now have an unfavorable view of Israel. That's up from 53%

00:31:15.800 last year and up from 42% in 2022. The share of adults with a very unfavorable view of Israel,

00:31:23.340 which is 28%, has also increased nine points since last year. It's tripled from 10% in 2022.

00:31:31.440 59% have little or no confidence in Netanyahu to do the right thing.

00:31:35.580 That's up from 52% last year.

00:31:37.560 And in both political parties, a majority of adults under 50 years old view Israel negatively.

00:31:44.280 84% of Democrats, 57% of Republicans. 0.88

00:31:49.820 Amazing.

00:31:50.800 57% of Republicans under 50 now say that they view Israel negatively.

00:31:57.080 That is just devastating.

00:31:58.620 People wouldn't have believed it 10 years ago.

00:32:00.520 People wouldn't have believed it three years ago. And it is the result of the seeds that Israel has planted and that Israel's leadership has pursued. 0.81

00:32:08.960 I mean, this is a this is a manic, blinkered, psychopathic country at this point. 0.70

00:32:14.680 Not everybody. There are there are people in that country who are great Jewish patriots who represent, I think, an older kind of Israeli patriotism. 0.92

00:32:26.480 But the sort of seeds of Israel's, you know, natural militarism, and I'll say it, terroristic elements, were kind of there from the beginning. 0.82

00:32:35.100 And I think the dark side has really come out with the Netanyahu project, and particularly since October 7th, they've really overreached. 0.75

00:32:42.660 And then additionally, it's not just, you know, say what you will for the Russians. 0.83

00:32:46.120 You know, the Russians invade countries. 0.76

00:32:47.560 You can think what you will of that. 0.88

00:32:49.420 You know, they don't ask other countries to pay for it. 0.96

00:32:52.080 What is particularly psychotic about the Israeli thing is that they they insist on being dominant in American culture and politics. 0.92

00:33:00.440 And, you know, the reality is you don't have to care about Israel, but Israel cares about you. 0.88

00:33:05.600 This is all the administration has been doing.

00:33:08.280 I mean, where is a piece of domestic legislation to say limit immigration, both legal and illegal?

00:33:15.860 Where is Trump fighting on tariffs since the Supreme Court decision?

00:33:21.520 You know, the other elements, where is an industrial policy package?

00:33:25.880 You don't see any of that. 0.70

00:33:26.980 It's all the air, all the oxygen is sucked up on Iran and sucked up on Israel. 0.98

00:33:33.920 And so this is why, you know, again, I think there's a very reasonable chance if you have 0.91

00:33:37.960 me back on, we're going to be talking about a new war in three weeks.

00:33:40.580 But I think this piece is worth trying.

00:33:43.100 I think Lebanon is very worrying.

00:33:46.180 I don't think it's necessarily a red line for the Iranians.

00:33:49.680 You know, people portray everybody in the Middle East as, you know, sort of a unity team America of bad guys.

00:33:57.100 The reality is, yes, Hezbollah is alive with Iran, but it's a, you know, it's a wary alliance between Persians and Arabs, generally speaking.

00:34:06.220 There's not a huge amount of trust there. 0.85

00:34:07.740 And I do think the Iranians will not walk away from this unless the Israeli crimes in Lebanon are just unbelievably beyond the pale, which they may be. 0.99

00:34:15.900 Yeah, which they may be.

00:34:17.340 They're doing their level best. 0.87

00:34:18.500 I think if Israel feels it can queer the deal, whether it's like a carpet bombing Lebanon or otherwise, they'll do it. 0.74

00:34:25.340 That's that's what we're up against. 0.56

00:34:26.740 And President Trump needs to remember he's the superior in the in the relationship with Netanyahu and to act like it.

00:34:34.180 Kurt Mills, thank you.

00:34:35.200 Thanks so much.

00:34:36.680 Coming up next, Mark Halpern is here.

00:34:38.940 We'll get his take on the politics of this.

00:34:40.640 We've got some early results back on some elections that took place yesterday, and he will analyze all of that for us.

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00:35:45.840 This just coming in via Yashar Ali, a great journalist online who's been covering this very closely and is himself Iranian-American.

00:36:02.600 The Islamic Republic of Iran is threatening to continue keeping the Strait of Hormuz closed and now to refuse to attend the peace talks in Islamabad unless Lebanon is included in the ceasefire.

00:36:18.320 Both the U.S. and Israel say Lebanon is not included.

00:36:22.340 Now, Lebanon was included, according to the original statements about this deal.

00:36:28.120 Remember, it was the prime minister of Pakistan who helped make it happen.

00:36:33.340 He'd been talking to JD.

00:36:34.940 He was one of the first to announce, okay, here's what's going to happen.

00:36:38.060 And he said Lebanon was in the deal.

00:36:40.800 Then Bibi Netanyahu got mad.

00:36:45.180 Reportedly, via the New York Times, they say that Israel said they support the decision

00:36:49.860 to stop attacking Iran for two weeks, but the ceasefire does not include Lebanon.

00:36:54.740 And that was Israel's position. Then Trump tells the PBS reporter, yeah, Lebanon's out. They're not part of the deal. Now, was the Pakistan prime minister completely wrong? Did he make that up? Or did we just bend the knee to Israel again, originally stating that Lebanon would be included in the ceasefire?

00:37:17.740 But then when Netanyahu complained once again, saying, OK, never mind, you can have your way, bomb them to smithereens.

00:37:25.140 Well, if so, that may have been a miscalculation, because now not only did Iran promptly close the Strait of Hormuz, but is threatening to continue keeping it closed and now refusing, threatening to refuse to attend the peace talks unless Lebanon is included.

00:37:41.140 So, I mean, like, can I, so this is, I'm going to bring in Mark Halpern.

00:37:45.360 Why, Mark, he's host of Next Up with Mark Halpern, which is part of our MK Media Podcast Network.

00:37:51.300 Go to nextuphalpern.com to subscribe to his show.

00:37:54.060 You should do it, because especially when political news like this breaks, he's the first place you want to go.

00:37:59.580 Why are we talking about Lebanon? 0.93

00:38:02.140 Who gives a shit about whether Lebanon was in the prime minister of Pakistan and there's the betrayal? 0.99

00:38:08.840 Americans care about their own problems. 0.99

00:38:11.140 They care about their wallet, about their 401k, about maybe being able to take a vacation

00:38:16.460 this year, which they haven't been able to for the past four years, thanks to Biden's

00:38:19.540 inflation.

00:38:20.440 And now we're going to spend weeks talking about the negotiations around the Strait of

00:38:24.600 Hormuz, which most people didn't even know existed or couldn't offer an additional sentence

00:38:29.640 about prior to 38 days ago.

00:38:33.120 Well, first of all, how have things been going, Megan?

00:38:35.420 I haven't talked to you in a while.

00:38:36.880 Everything, everything's caught.

00:38:38.200 A lot of news, a lot of news. 0.62

00:38:39.420 Well, look, first is on the on the Israel front, as you know, the three most complicated relationships amongst human beings are landlord, tenant, mother, daughter and any American president and Bibi.

00:38:52.120 And I've actually I've actually been amazed at how under the radar, the disagreements that have existed throughout the conflict have been kept. 0.53

00:39:01.860 It's been relatively rare, but it's kind of come to a head now, not just over Lebanon

00:39:07.060 potentially, but also over some of the other issues.

00:39:10.240 I mean, one big question for me is if there are face-to-face negotiations, is Israel in

00:39:14.500 the room?

00:39:15.420 Are they in the city?

00:39:16.400 Are they involved at all?

00:39:18.000 And then you've got the question of, I don't think there's any doubt that Donald Trump 0.84

00:39:21.120 would walk away from this conflict with a different set of drop points than Bibi would. 0.97

00:39:27.200 So it's going to be a thing. 0.58

00:39:29.180 to your larger question, I really wish I could be cloned and I'd send my clone on a driving tour to

00:39:34.480 diners in 30 states and ask people, what do you think about all this? Because there's no doubt

00:39:39.320 in my mind that whether they're Bernie Sanders people or MAGA people or just regular people,

00:39:45.220 most Americans would just scratch their heads at how much attention this is giving, how expensive

00:39:50.100 it is and what the risk and reward is. Now, at the same time, the president's job is to do what

00:39:55.380 things right for America. And so other presidents have focused a lot of resources on this country

00:40:00.640 just in a different way. But it's not a winner. It's not a winner with voters. And even if this

00:40:06.940 ends spectacularly well, and I think it still could, I don't think voters are going to care

00:40:11.880 much about it because it is, as you say, just so remote from their lives. So what is the likelihood

00:40:17.600 that Trump turns on Netanyahu now

00:40:20.080 because Trump was told a bunch of things by Netanyahu

00:40:25.280 that did not turn out to be true.

00:40:27.040 The New York Times made that clear

00:40:28.320 in its reporting yesterday.

00:40:30.400 And Trump put his neck out there for Netanyahu

00:40:34.760 based on these representations.

00:40:36.460 And it hasn't worked out so well.

00:40:39.060 I mean, whatever happens with the resolution of this thing,

00:40:42.640 Trump's hemorrhaging support among the key constituencies that put him in office.

00:40:49.600 He is too smart to not know that, and he's going to turn on someone, Mark.

00:40:53.480 Yeah. Well, I think it really almost every answer to every political question,

00:40:59.140 including the geopolitical question of how we all feel about Netanyahu, depends on how it ends. 0.57

00:41:04.520 If this ends with the straight open, even if Iran's making some money off of it,

00:41:08.440 Iran's nuclear program and missile program largely defanged or entirely defanged, 0.91

00:41:13.440 I think he'll be happy. The president will be happy, and I think he'll be rewarded for that by 0.99

00:41:17.860 the American people and by the history. If it doesn't end well, I've covered too many

00:41:25.100 presidents who've been furious to Netanyahu, who feel that he's manipulated them, lied to them,

00:41:31.220 led them down a path that they didn't want to go down, and they all just keep coming back for more.

00:41:37.480 so i'm not sure that he'd make me be the scapegoat for there's a lot of complex reasons why

00:41:42.840 Netanyahu is not easily scapegoated by american presidents

00:41:46.380 the one of the risks here is that if iran is controlling the strait as it wasn't before but

00:41:55.640 is now thanks to our war um that this little fee we're going to be the toll booth fee that now

00:42:02.800 they're going to be slapping on these ships gets passed along and one of the pressure points that

00:42:07.260 Iran had over Trump was the increasingly high price of gas here in America, gasoline and diesel,

00:42:15.180 up more than a dollar on a tank of gas and up higher than that on diesel fuel. And that

00:42:22.080 could potentially continue. It could potentially continue. Like that surcharge gets basically

00:42:26.880 slapped down to the consumer level, Mark. It doesn't usually stay with the person who controls

00:42:31.440 the ship. So this isn't all necessarily rainbow and unicorns for us, not to mention that already

00:42:36.740 our Arab allies are suggesting those donations, those like investments in America that they

00:42:42.280 promised at like the Middle East summit that President Trump went to. Yeah, those are off

00:42:46.640 because they have a lot of work to do on their own countries now, thanks to the bombing campaign

00:42:50.820 Iran unleashed on them. And all the all the kind of modalities of of the agreement, you know,

00:42:58.360 there needs to be agreements on sanctions, agreements on the straight agreements on nuclear

00:43:04.380 agreements on missiles. On all these things, they can be done in a spirit of cooperation and trust,

00:43:12.440 which seems far-fetched given who we're dealing with, or they can be done through a lot of

00:43:18.640 verification. I think the strait has to be open. The president seems amenable to Iran making money

00:43:26.840 off of the strait, which they didn't do before the war. So we'd be going backwards there. But 0.55

00:43:31.860 he also said in one of the interviews he's done today that maybe the u.s could make money off of

00:43:36.200 it too i think that that if there can be that kind of commercial relationship that's the that's the

00:43:42.900 president's dream of how you bring iran into the community of nations again if you're israel or

00:43:49.100 but those nations are objecting yeah the gulf nations are already saying we're not agreeing

00:43:52.560 to that why would we agree to that i think it's going to have to be multilateral it's going to

00:43:56.580 have to be, and I think it'd be smart for the United States to hedge against Iran going back

00:44:02.140 to hostily trying to control the strait. They're going to have to try to build something that has 1.00

00:44:08.020 a lot of nations involved and that makes it mechanically impossible or difficult for Iran to 0.58

00:44:13.920 use force to control the strait or the threat of force to control the strait, and also makes it in 0.79

00:44:19.260 their incentive and give them incentives not to close it down, which is why I think one

00:44:24.100 administration official told me that's that's how they were thinking about this if iran has a

00:44:28.100 financial incentive to keep the straight open they'll keep the straight open but the problem

00:44:33.540 is what do you do when someone doesn't pay what does iran do yeah when you know somebody says

00:44:39.980 i'm not paying your toll yeah you actually don't control this you don't own it and i'm going to

00:44:46.300 pass through without paying your 20 million dollar a day fee whatever it is then what does iran do

00:44:52.540 Do they bomb that country? And what does it mean for us?

00:44:55.020 Yeah. At the Council on Foreign Relations, we call that the Rumpelstiltskin problem. 1.00

00:44:59.180 I think that that that that's why I think a system where other Gulf countries maybe benefit and maybe the United States benefits. 0.84

00:45:09.740 I think that's going to be the thing that's most likely to stick that people will feel like, well,

00:45:16.760 they got to pay because it's an international cartel that includes, you know, a bunch of

00:45:22.420 countries. It's one of many issues that has to be worked out. But I go back to, you know,

00:45:27.220 President Reagan used to talk about trust, but verify. This is like not much trust, but a lot

00:45:32.260 of verify. And you heard that from Pete Hagseth. You heard that from the vice president. They both

00:45:38.480 in their remarks today have been significantly more focused not on trust, but on verify in all

00:45:44.800 these things and significantly focused on the prospect that the whole thing could fall apart

00:45:48.540 and that the military option would come back into play. So it's going to either happen or it's not.

00:45:54.760 The strait's going to be open under acceptable terms or it's not. They're going to give up their

00:45:57.860 nuclear material or they're not. And if you believe Pete Hegseth and the vice president,

00:46:01.920 I don't think they would say these things without coordination and without the president's approval.

00:46:06.740 We've not given anything up. We've given them a few days to maybe rearm, maybe get stuff from

00:46:11.140 russia maybe get stuff from china but for the most part what we've given them is a chance to

00:46:15.540 do the right thing and that's that's the way this was going to go no matter what okay so now what

00:46:22.360 what's going to happen with the very very neocon right that is upset today yeah very clearly

00:46:31.240 levin yeah graham yeah uh loomer yeah and and netanyahu you know like they basically see this

00:46:37.660 as he does. You know, like, for example, one of the 10 points in the 10 point peace plans

00:46:43.080 proposed by Iran is lifting of all U.S. sanctions on Iran. Now, Israel definitely doesn't want that.

00:46:50.780 And none of that other contingent wants that. And they are all very disappointed there. You can see

00:46:54.980 the struggle session because they're very proud of President Trump for doing this. But they're

00:46:58.620 very, very upset about the way this is this appears to be wrapping up. So now what happens

00:47:03.700 there well it's a great question and i've been as fascinated as you've been listening to what

00:47:09.620 they've been saying today uh because uh you know it's a little bit of whiplash for them

00:47:15.940 um and eric erickson has said this this can end with the negotiation the military has to go back

00:47:21.700 and finish the job and and and and he's he's you know he's pretty level-headed guy um i think it

00:47:29.380 i think it depends and again i don't mean to be boring and repetitive but it just depends on what

00:47:32.980 what the deal is. Some of these babies might be seen as splittable, but I don't believe most of

00:47:38.880 them are. The Gulf's open, the straits open, or it's not. The nuclear material's handed over,

00:47:43.480 it's not. They have missile capability, or they don't. And I think that, look, to me,

00:47:48.520 the best deal that's available right now is full turnover of nuclear, denounce any prospects of 0.83

00:47:56.000 more nuclear really denounce and get rid of the the um the ballistic missiles and the terror

00:48:04.380 networks and open the open the strait and give them an opportunity to be part of the community

00:48:09.980 of nations if that deal happens i think the neocons will be will be very happy if it doesn't

00:48:16.300 happen i think the president's fallen well short of the mark of what he said this was about

00:48:20.120 and I don't know that he can even do it.

00:48:23.560 So I understand why they're upset today,

00:48:26.280 but I think they may get what they want.

00:48:29.300 And if they don't, it will be clear for everybody to see.

00:48:32.160 What do you think President Trump's calculation

00:48:34.380 is right now politically?

00:48:37.080 Because he gave that contingent a lot, a lot, Mark.

00:48:43.380 Yeah.

00:48:44.180 He, and we'll go through it when we,

00:48:46.240 we're going to take a break and we'll come back.

00:48:47.340 I mean, he is down significantly with every constituency that put him in office.

00:48:54.740 And so he's gone up with the very small contingent that includes the massively hawkish neocon right.

00:49:03.380 But with every other contingent, he's gone down.

00:49:07.260 And so what do you think his mindset is here coming out of that?

00:49:12.300 Now, even that small contingent is unhappy with him, but they'll get over it because they're very grateful for the war.

00:49:17.340 But he has so much work to do in regaining the support of the of the other groups.

00:49:22.720 Yeah, well, he's not he's not for reelection. And so where his support stands doesn't directly affect him.

00:49:28.880 I think that that there's time, although the clock ticks for him to fix the problems by the midterms, not just by ending the war, but by doing some of the other things Republicans are talking about.

00:49:40.940 um he he he's got a great sense of instincts and a great sense of timing normally but this is a

00:49:48.780 complicated one and i think we don't know yet how this has gone as compared to his greatest hopes

00:49:54.960 and worst nightmares he's always going to as pt bartem he's always going to sell this as a big

00:49:59.300 success but uh but he he has a chance to succeed uh having done a difficult thing but there's no

00:50:07.380 doubt that China and Russia must look at this and say, ha, nice try. If this was meant to intimidate

00:50:13.880 us, it didn't work. And even if gas prices, as he said, they will come down now, it's still not

00:50:19.760 clear if the goal was to make the American people feel he accomplished something. He's far short of

00:50:25.400 that right now. Could get there, but he's far, far short of it currently. All right. More of that

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00:51:31.220 mark halperin's back with me now all right mark so before we get down to the election results

00:51:38.720 from last night which they don't they don't portend that well for republicans in the midterms

00:51:44.440 let me just give you these stats um cook political report went through some of them men only in march

00:51:54.520 of 2025, Trump had a 54% approval rating with men. Now it's at 45. So he's lost nine points

00:52:04.200 with men. White non-college, working class whites. In March of 2025, Trump had a 56% approval rating. 1.00

00:52:12.760 Now it's 52%. So it's minus seven. And I've seen other polls showing he's underwater too,

00:52:20.040 Like more disapprove than approve. So he's down. The point is with the white working class, black voters in March of 2025, he had a 28 percent approval rating with black voters. Now it's down to 18 Latinos in March of 2025. He had a 44 percent approval rating.

00:52:38.160 Now it's down to 32. Independence in March of 2025, he had a 41 percent approval rating. Now it's down 20 points to 20. No, sorry. Sorry. Now it's down to 28 percentage points.

00:52:53.680 So he's fallen double digits in a lot of these categories with every group, every group that put him in office.

00:53:02.960 And this, honestly, the Cook Political Report is not nearly as bad as some of the other recent polling that we've seen or the aggregate of all polls that Harry Enten uses when he does his little summaries, which I know you've seen.

00:53:13.560 So where does that leave?

00:53:17.840 I guess really not President Trump, but yes, President Trump, because he still has an agenda

00:53:21.720 for three years to get through, but the Republican Party.

00:53:25.360 I'm working on a really good Harry Anton imitation, but I'm not ready to perform today.

00:53:31.060 It's really loud.

00:53:33.120 I have to stand.

00:53:35.180 The data that you cite, which is consistent with private Republican data, so it's not

00:53:39.860 you know, liberal media polling and the historical reality of what presidents usually do in the

00:53:45.360 midterms in terms of their party are very bad for Republicans now. There's three things they

00:53:50.500 have going for them. One is they have a lot of money and it's being reported today by Axios

00:53:56.280 that the president, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars he's got squirreled away. He's going

00:54:00.700 to spend on the midterms and they're going to start doing that. And Republicans will have

00:54:05.560 a lot of money to spend and that matters in elections like this two is things could get

00:54:11.920 better republicans are talking about an agenda in congress that might make things better uh and um

00:54:18.880 the fact that democrats may nominate in some of these key races unelectable candidates

00:54:23.960 uh and third is uh the the battlefield is such that there are very limited number of seats that

00:54:32.480 winnable by democrats even if they have a fantastic year and on the senate side in particular i did

00:54:39.520 this on next up a couple episodes ago there's just a very daunting map for democrats to take

00:54:45.840 the majority they have to basically run the table uh in almost every winnable race ones they currently

00:54:50.720 hold and ones they want to win from republicans so there's reasons why republicans are not saying

00:54:57.200 you know everybody overboard it's a disaster every man and woman for themselves but they're

00:55:03.040 going to have to see improved conditions in the next couple months in order to not feel like it

00:55:08.240 will be something of a wipeout but i'll say again there's just not that many house seats in play

00:55:14.240 uh they'll almost certainly lose the majority but but we may not see a shellacking now if it's

00:55:19.520 republicans controlling the senate and democrats controlling the house which remains the most

00:55:23.040 likely outcome. That's not great for the president's agenda on the face of it, but it

00:55:29.160 might get more things done because you may be better off passing bills through a Republican

00:55:34.200 or Democratic House that have appeal in the Senate. So from a point of view of accomplishing

00:55:40.120 things may not be the things that the base wants, but for getting stuff done in his last two years,

00:55:44.920 he may be better off losing the House. I'm going to give you two words why Republicans

00:55:49.600 Republicans must maintain control of the Senate.

00:55:54.020 Sam Alito.

00:55:55.280 Yeah.

00:55:56.180 That is why they must maintain control of the Senate.

00:55:59.460 My sources are saying he is the most likely to retire under President Trump.

00:56:05.200 And I believe he's likely to do it.

00:56:09.000 And you cannot get a justice confirmed to fill that slot with a Democrat-controlled Senate.

00:56:15.280 They just, I just don't know how President Trump will get one confirmed.

00:56:18.520 I really don't.

00:56:19.220 I think they'll reject everyone.

00:56:20.960 So, and even if Alito were to announce tomorrow,

00:56:25.900 they'd have to go.

00:56:27.560 They'd have to go quickly 0.99

00:56:28.400 because the Democrats will do everything

00:56:30.120 within their power to slow it down.

00:56:32.520 You could get it done.

00:56:33.760 We're only in April

00:56:34.660 and the election's not till November,

00:56:37.080 but like tick tock, you know, time is wasting.

00:56:41.160 And so if there's any chance Alito really is gonna step down

00:56:43.760 and I know Thomas is older

00:56:45.280 and more people are looking at him.

00:56:47.180 My own information is Thomas doesn't want to go and isn't prepared to go.

00:56:52.360 So whatever, it's the Republicans would still have the majority, even if we had a Democrat

00:56:57.860 controlled Senate and President Trump couldn't get his choice through.

00:57:01.080 And then a Democrat won the White House and that seat turned blue.

00:57:05.520 We'd still have five to four on the Supreme Court instead of six to three.

00:57:09.240 But six to three is better.

00:57:10.420 As we've seen, some of these right leaning justices don't vote, you know, knee jerk with

00:57:16.100 the conservatives who are before them so you need a little buffer anyway um that's one of the many

00:57:21.480 reasons what would happen i mean if i agree with everything what would happen i agree with everything

00:57:25.740 you said but one point which is if if alito retired you know soon after democrats took the

00:57:33.740 majority and again i don't think they want they're on track to do that right now they basically have

00:57:37.260 to win all of six races that are competitive and then another one so i have to run the table on the

00:57:43.000 six most favorable of the nine competitive races. They've got to run the table on six and then win

00:57:49.200 one of the other three. I don't see that in the cards today. But here's where I disagree with

00:57:54.020 you. I think if the president had a Democratic Senate and Alito left the slot shortly after

00:58:01.680 Democratic majority, I don't think they can run out the clock for two years if the president

00:58:06.580 nominates someone who's credentialed. It doesn't have to be a liberal. But if he nominates someone

00:58:11.760 with a nice demeanor and a lot of credentials.

00:58:15.420 I don't think Democrat.

00:58:16.800 Why not?

00:58:17.840 Why can't they just keep saying no?

00:58:20.080 He doesn't have the score.

00:58:21.060 I voted.

00:58:21.920 I voted no.

00:58:23.000 I think the public pressure would be pretty overwhelming

00:58:25.240 if it were someone who the White House could sell

00:58:28.460 as obviously qualified.

00:58:31.300 I don't know, two years is a long time

00:58:32.540 to say the Supreme Court can't have a full bench.

00:58:36.620 Mark.

00:58:37.340 Yeah.

00:58:38.060 Mark, they are so angry.

00:58:41.760 on the left about what's happened at the Supreme Court, right, with the seat that was supposed to

00:58:48.460 go to Merrick Garland and the shenanigans that the Republicans pulled in order to not

00:58:53.760 get a confirmation hearing going for him. The fact that this is not Trump's fault,

00:58:58.800 but they're very angry about Ruth Bader Ginsburg dying in office, not retiring early. But they're

00:59:06.440 just so bitter around the Supreme Court that there is zero chance they're going to vote to

00:59:11.300 confirm a trump nominee zero i think if it were a senator who other senators like they could get 50

00:59:17.180 votes because remember republicans are only going to have if they lose the majority the democrats

00:59:23.420 are only going to be it's it's very hard to see them being more than 51 49 52 48 is possible but

00:59:29.260 very unlikely so if it's 51 49 and and you get all you need to get then is one democrat to flip

00:59:36.900 and if you know you still you still would have to have the majority leader bring it to the floor

00:59:42.960 and have a hearing and and you're right that the date base of the democratic party would say nope

00:59:47.580 let's just have four justices or eight justices for a while but my my gut tells me again it'll

00:59:53.440 depend if it's in the last year i agree with you but if there's two years or closer to two years

00:59:58.500 than one year and and you can say we've got 50 votes to confirm this person and you'd only need

01:00:03.860 Fetterman or one other Democratic senator, and if we're another senator whose senators liked,

01:00:09.020 I really do think it would be hard to run at the clock for two years.

01:00:14.100 Hard, but I think they'd do it. I really do. They'd certainly be asked to do it. This is an

01:00:18.640 issue that very much animates the left. In any event, we'll see. Justice Alito, we all love you.

01:00:25.460 Those of us on the right, love you. But if you are considering retiring, please, please do it soon

01:00:31.780 because we just, we can't let it get anywhere close, I think, to November. And the Republicans

01:00:37.700 will keep a speedy process if he does step down, you know, between now and November to make sure

01:00:42.120 the Republican controlled Senate, John Thune and others over there will make sure it goes quickly

01:00:47.880 and we get something confirmed. And don't be surprised if it does happen, if there is a

01:00:51.240 retirement, whether it's Thomas or Alito, and I hear the same things you do about Alito being

01:00:55.380 more likely. Don't be surprised if the White House has a nominee really quick, not one of these,

01:01:00.000 okay now let's figure out who we're gonna who we're gonna choose but somebody pretty much

01:01:04.320 wait when you said if it's a senator are you thinking like ted cruz who's like i'm thinking

01:01:10.620 who's like a an accomplished lawyer in the u.s senate who's on the right who could be counted

01:01:18.380 on i think ted cruz's approval ratings would go through the roof if he joined the u.s supreme

01:01:21.620 court i think he's perfect for that job i think he actually would be a very very like a constitutional

01:01:26.640 conservative i know he he's always been loathed by some portion of the of the population and now

01:01:32.080 he's got some of the right against him because he's neo connie um but i think he'd probably do

01:01:36.860 very well in that role but anyway your thoughts on that mike lee uh senator from um missouri who

01:01:41.940 was former attorney general of missouri he might be ag yeah but he could also be a supreme court

01:01:46.220 justice those are those would be he's like becoming the marco rubio of the administration

01:01:51.160 He could go from senator to AG to Supreme Court justice in the course of six months.

01:01:57.000 Keep going.

01:01:57.980 Those three are the ones that that that I think are the most likely, you know, that none of them are are as young as it's been.

01:02:07.300 You know, the on vogue thing is to put somebody on the bench who's younger so they can be there for decades.

01:02:13.120 But, you know, Ted's young.

01:02:15.640 I think Ted Cruz is my age.

01:02:17.200 That's young.

01:02:17.900 Ketanji Brown Jackson was 54.

01:02:19.960 All the articles were like, she's so young.

01:02:22.040 I'm like, I love this.

01:02:23.880 It's not old, but it's not, you know, 40.

01:02:30.940 It's not spring chicken.

01:02:33.520 Yeah, Mike Lee's 52.

01:02:35.380 So that's not, I mean, that's, that is like, what would Don Lemon say?

01:02:39.060 Beanie with the propeller hat in Supreme Court age, Mark.

01:02:42.800 No, Don Lemon would say they're past their prime, right?

01:02:45.920 Is that what he said?

01:02:46.580 i was wondering how dare how dare you how dare you raise don levin on this show but i forgive

01:02:53.460 it given where it landed um all right let's talk about last night marjorie taylor green's seat

01:02:59.600 was being filled she resigned early this is a district in northwest georgia that is i'm told

01:03:06.960 the reddest part of the peach state yeah the republican did win his name is clay fuller

01:03:12.920 He defeated the Democrat Sean Harris in a special runoff.

01:03:16.580 And the headline is that in a district, Green last won by 29 points and Trump won this district by 37 points.

01:03:27.660 As of late Tuesday, the Republican won by 12 points, suggesting storm clouds on the horizon.

01:03:37.340 Mark, your take on it.

01:03:39.000 It doesn't suggest storm clouds on the horizon any more than we already thought.

01:03:42.920 based on the previous election results of 25 and 26.

01:03:46.420 So it's not encouraging for Republicans,

01:03:49.320 but I don't think it adds some new data point

01:03:52.240 to what we already know, which you and I discussed,

01:03:54.180 which is the president's approval rating is down nationally.

01:03:57.880 The mood of the country is pretty sour.

01:04:00.140 Republicans are perceived as the party in power.

01:04:02.980 And if Democrats have good candidates,

01:04:05.100 they can win or outperform where they performed last cycle.

01:04:09.360 But we already knew that.

01:04:10.780 So I'm not saying it's good for Republicans.

01:04:14.100 I'm just saying I don't think it makes it worse than we already knew it's lining up to be currently.

01:04:19.320 OK, then there was the result that happened recently where there was a special election down in Florida in the district that includes Mar-a-Lago, where Trump, of course, spends most of his time, part of his time.

01:04:33.680 Last month, Republican John Maples, who Trump endorsed, lost a special election for a seat in a Florida statehouse district that includes Mar-a-Lago.

01:04:43.580 And so he lost.

01:04:47.220 And then North Carolina state Senate leader Phil Berger, a powerful leader in this state, narrowly lost his primary.

01:04:54.020 So that's a loss in North Carolina and a loss in Florida for Republicans.

01:04:57.880 Those, I think, are also significant when we're dealing with anything in a battleground state.

01:05:02.500 uh and and you know it matters to the midterms it also matters to the presidential because we've had

01:05:09.740 several cycles in a row where the same seven states decide who the president is florida used

01:05:15.580 to be one of those states that decided and it's become in the trump era but very red state if

01:05:22.180 florida becomes a purple state again that has huge implications for the presidential it really it

01:05:28.140 gives the democrats the upper hand on the electoral college so if you look at the hispanic vote the

01:05:32.940 black vote the youth vote groups where donald trump performed very well in 2024 allowing him

01:05:37.340 to not just win the the white house but win florida in a major way you look at ron de santis's dominance

01:05:43.180 in the state that's that's why that matters a lot if you're thinking about the global national point

01:05:48.780 of view in terms of south florida democrats have done very well lately in south florida and again

01:05:54.140 Again, that's because it used to be a Democratic stronghold.

01:05:56.440 It's become very potent under Donald Trump.

01:05:58.560 If that swings back, that's a big deal.

01:06:00.760 And that speaks to the politics of Florida and the demographics of the country.

01:06:06.160 What about the Wisconsin Supreme Court? 0.95

01:06:08.940 We had that massive battle over that one seat a year ago.

01:06:13.380 Elon Musk was giving out checks for a million dollars to people who would register Republican or register a vote.

01:06:18.980 And, you know, the implication was, hey, it should be Republican and you should vote Republican for this seat.

01:06:23.680 Well, that went blue. That campaign by Elon did not work. The Democrat won that year by about 10 points. And now they've had an additional election.

01:06:35.600 And the headline is, with 95% of the votes in, that the Democrat endorsed Chris Taylor defeated Republican-endorsed Maria Lazar, that the Democrat had 60% of the vote, the Republican had 39% of the vote.

01:06:54.800 So 21-point victory for the Dem.

01:06:59.560 It's the fourth straight double-digit victory for a liberal candidate on the Wisconsin Supreme Court dating back to 2020.

01:07:07.680 And so now the liberals have a 5-2 advantage on the high court, which is not great for Republicans.

01:07:15.200 This is another swing state. And the analysis here is that consolidating the liberal hold on the high court ahead of the next presidential election, when this swing state is sure to see challenges to election results, is a good thing for Team Blue. So how significant is that?

01:07:34.000 That one's significant because of everything you just laid out and the history there.

01:07:39.400 Wisconsin's Supreme Court used to be a bulwark of conservatism against the legislature and against when they had Democratic governors.

01:07:48.480 And Wisconsin is a state that Donald Trump won, but has in other ways seemingly been drifting blue.

01:07:56.960 And it's key for the Electoral College.

01:07:59.360 It's also, although Pennsylvania has kind of supplanted it as the ultimate battleground state, it's a very important battleground state, not just in terms of the presidential electoral college, but in terms of the mood of the country, in terms of what issues matter to voters.

01:08:13.100 So it's significant for the people of Wisconsin.

01:08:15.820 It's significant demographically.

01:08:18.100 One of the things that Republicans point to in that race, as they did in that race that Musk spent so heavily on, is weak candidates.

01:08:25.140 You know, you always say that if you lose an election that the press is making a big deal of, you say, well, we had a weak candidate and they did. But there's a problem if you keep ending up with weak candidates. You've got to have a party apparatus that figures out how the electorate can choose and nominate strong candidates. And I think I think that excuse in that particular category of races, I think, is run a little bit dry. Republicans can't say every time they lose a Wisconsin state Supreme Court seat. Well, we ran the wrong candidate.

01:08:52.860 yeah you had notice all right so finally how do you like the chances at this moment when you think

01:09:01.940 about jd vance versus marco rubio because there's a lot of debate about whose fortunes have risen

01:09:09.020 whose fortunes haven't in the wake of this whole iran thing we've got a ton of reporting on this

01:09:14.280 i just haven't had time to write it up in part because the war um vance is not a sure thing

01:09:19.500 anymore, but I don't believe there's any circumstances under which Rubio would challenge

01:09:22.700 him. I think Vance may decide not to run because he's having a new baby and he's young enough to

01:09:28.160 avoid this now if he doesn't feel it's his time. And if that happens, I think Rubio would be the

01:09:34.100 consensus choice, not just of the president, which matters a ton, obviously, in Republican politics,

01:09:39.000 but a lot of the donors, a lot of the members of Congress, a lot of the consultant class,

01:09:42.900 elected officials. So I think those two remain head and shoulders above all the rest. I think

01:09:47.700 most significant thing not really as a derivative of the war but but alone but of longer running

01:09:53.460 is there's too many people in the party now who including the president some days i'm told who

01:10:00.100 don't feel van should just have it you know handed to him that that it should be contested and if the

01:10:05.460 president doesn't endorse fans this is binary if he endorses vance i think vance will be the nominee

01:10:10.900 relatively easily if he doesn't endorse him not endorsing his vice president that's what

01:10:15.540 ronald reagan did that's what bill clinton did uh that's what barack obama did it's not the norm

01:10:21.460 but if he chooses not to it will be a big deal that if he chooses not to and i think the the

01:10:26.480 blood will be in the water and lots of people run against him but i don't think it'll be rubio i

01:10:30.360 think rubio is the nominee of fans takes a pass but otherwise i think he sits it out

01:10:35.040 what are you hearing over on the other team about who's is anyone pulling away from the pack

01:10:44.720 I did my latest eight for 28 rankings of the most likely this week on NextUp, and no one's

01:10:51.520 pulling away.

01:10:52.340 And I think you're seeing a lot of these folks start to get serious about what does it take

01:10:58.700 to run in terms of raising money, in terms of scrutiny, in terms of time on the road.

01:11:02.780 I still think they're two aircraft carriers potentially running, guys who can build big

01:11:07.680 national campaigns and handle the early-burly Governor Newsom and Governor Shapiro, I think,

01:11:13.540 remain the two most likely. After that, it's very wide open. I talked to over 30 strategists and

01:11:19.180 elected officials, consultants about their views in reporting this out. And there's just not a lot

01:11:25.240 of agreement. There are people who think Pete Buttigieg is strong and people think he shouldn't

01:11:29.000 be on the list. Same with Kamala Harris, same with Rahm Emanuel. I think right now it's pretty

01:11:35.160 wide open. And part of that is because it's a weak field. And part of that is it's the first

01:11:40.540 time we haven't had, you know, a Biden or Obama or Clinton, you know, around. And so it's pretty

01:11:47.940 wide open with the exception of Buttigieg and Harris. We're dealing with a lot of people who've

01:11:51.800 never run before. And we'll just have to see what voters like. But I continue to say it's a bunch of

01:11:57.780 people who want to be president, but haven't really explained why. Why isn't it Andy Beshear?

01:12:04.780 Some people ask me that question, because now we hear these reports that Democrats are realizing

01:12:10.080 They might need a white Christian male. 0.79

01:12:14.440 Yeah. 1.00

01:12:14.840 The horror.

01:12:15.640 Yeah.

01:12:15.860 And if you're going that route, it's like right now you got and straight, by the way, if you're going that route, it's Gavin Newsom.

01:12:25.860 Like his only he doesn't only has a couple of real competitors if that's the route you're going.

01:12:30.140 But Andy Beshear would be one of them.

01:12:31.520 But people don't seem to think much of his chances.

01:12:33.820 Why?

01:12:34.000 um i think that uh uh the the main reason is because uh he's not he's not a major league

01:12:42.720 player uh you know with respect to my friends in kentucky and it's a hardball state in terms of

01:12:48.000 state politics i think people don't see him as someone ready to step up and become an aircraft

01:12:53.360 carrier he's the governor race yeah governor of kentucky raise the money uh be conversant with

01:12:58.400 national and international issues build the networks required to run for president uh he

01:13:03.740 just doesn't he just doesn't seem to many of my sources to be ready for the big time involved here

01:13:09.660 a big a big leap for someone like that i'm very skeptical i didn't i don't have him this month

01:13:15.000 he's been on the list in past months but i don't have him in the top eight right now

01:13:18.940 do you have aoc in the top i do i think i think she's at six uh and uh i don't think she's gonna

01:13:27.260 to run and you know when i put the list together i put a big premium on my reporting and instinct

01:13:31.800 about who will run in the end because you can't run you can't win if you don't run and uh i think

01:13:37.400 i don't think she wants to turn her life over to the rigors of a presidential i think she'll force

01:13:42.760 chuck schumer in retirement she'll walk into a senate seat and i think that'll satisfy her for

01:13:47.080 now all right so we got to listen to that next up which one was it which episode was it uh what we

01:13:53.220 call in the trades yesterday's Tuesday's the current the current episode okay good good good

01:13:58.840 good everybody go and download that you got to hear Halperin's take it's about to be your season

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01:14:18.660 may not have heard of. Now, this Newsom, this Jennifer Newsom, the wife of Gavin,

01:14:25.260 this woman's got a whole host of hot mess history and stories to bring you. 1.00

01:14:32.340 I like she she accidentally killed her sister. What? That's next. 1.00

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01:15:49.500 Turning now to some cultural news, and there's a lot of it.

01:15:52.840 Kanye West, or Ye, is attempting another comeback,

01:15:55.220 returning to the stage in Los Angeles with two sold-out shows last week,

01:15:59.060 proving those who want him permanently canceled are losing.

01:16:02.240 But the U.K. is not giving up without a fight.

01:16:05.140 Meantime, new resurfaced clips of Gavin Newsom's first partner,

01:16:08.900 Jennifer Newsome, are taking X by storm. And once you hear what she's saying, you will understand

01:16:15.620 why. And the New York Times is looking into the trend of single women in their 40s,

01:16:20.380 throwing themselves full-blown wedding-style birthday bashes. We're talking gowns,

01:16:25.780 vows to themselves, the whole production, just without the groom. Joining me now to talk about

01:16:33.040 all that, and for their Megyn Kelly show debuts, two hilarious voices on X. TV writer Domolary

01:16:40.380 Sanoiki, and he's a TV writer who has written for hits like Black-ish and The Simpsons,

01:16:46.420 and Stephanie Tyler, founder of Bad Girl Media and the new fashion brand, Wesley. Welcome to

01:16:53.160 you both. Thank you so much for being here. Hi, thanks for having me. Thank you. All right,

01:16:58.420 We got to start with this nutcase, Jennifer Siebel Newsom, who is like, I mean, we figured she was pretty woke and left being married to Gavin Newsom.

01:17:07.400 But what's what's going on? 0.91

01:17:10.160 She casually references the fact that she accidentally killed her sister when she, Jennifer, was six years old, which I don't think most people knew.

01:17:21.700 I, of course, have since gone and looked up the story, which I'll fill in the blanks on after this soundbite.

01:17:27.380 But listen to this as she as she's recounting her talks with young juvenile offenders at San Quentin prison.

01:17:37.360 Watch this.

01:17:38.320 I had to be very raw when we interviewed the young men who were juvenile offenders in San Quentin.

01:17:45.640 I told them about my own loss where my I lost my older sister a few days before my seventh birthday and I blame myself for her death.

01:17:56.140 And I share that because that they ultimately were accused of committing these violent crimes and sentenced for life.

01:18:06.460 And I think it shocked them that this, you know, blonde lady who was, you know, the interviewing them had a similar story, was perhaps in the wrong place at the wrong time.

01:18:18.940 and but wasn't punished the way they were because clearly it was an accident but

01:18:23.960 theirs was probably an accident too um so anyway i share that just because i it i guess

01:18:31.320 you know i quite enjoy spending time with people and being real and unmasking

01:18:39.300 and showing them that it's safe to unmask themselves beautiful beautiful

01:18:43.980 what everything about that was a record scratch right it's like wait everyone who's in juvenile

01:18:52.740 prison got there by accident they committed just an accidental crime all of them there's absolutely

01:18:58.240 no accountability and then there's a story of the sister which is horrifically tragic um this is

01:19:05.000 what happened here i'm reading from hindustan times but uh but i got it earlier from the new

01:19:11.660 Post. She was a six-year-old playing with her eight-year-old sister in Hawaii. The older sister

01:19:17.260 was Stacy and with other children on golf carts when the family was vacationing in Hawaii in 1981.

01:19:25.160 The cart Jennifer was in suddenly went into reverse. I assume she was driving,

01:19:29.900 otherwise she wouldn't blame herself. Killing Stacy, Jennifer had not noticed that her sister

01:19:36.760 had been hiding out, I guess, crouching behind the vehicle.

01:19:41.480 And she's had to live with that ever since

01:19:43.920 in what she refers to as survivor's guilt.

01:19:46.300 It's awful.

01:19:48.820 I mean, frankly, that's the parents' fault

01:19:50.620 for letting six-year-olds be at the wheel of golf carts.

01:19:54.480 But what do you make of the whole story there, Damilari?

01:19:57.460 Because it's like, she packed a lot

01:19:59.380 in that 40-second soundbite.

01:20:00.940 Well, yeah, I think it tells you a lot

01:20:02.420 about how those type of people,

01:20:04.500 I guess you'd call them libs, see the world,

01:20:06.040 which is that nothing is anyone's fault, right?

01:20:08.440 It's all an accident.

01:20:10.200 And I think it shows that a lot of people's realities can't,

01:20:13.460 a lot of people's politics can't survive contact with reality.

01:20:16.600 Like if you've actually met people in prison

01:20:18.560 or met people who have committed violent crimes,

01:20:20.640 like it's usually not some innocent accident.

01:20:23.660 You know, I think that just, it just shows how out of touch she is.

01:20:27.240 Right. And explains a lot about her husband's policies on crime, Stephanie,

01:20:32.140 and a lot of the leftist policies on crime in general.

01:20:34.420 They really don't think most people who are in prison belong there.

01:20:39.100 Oh, yeah.

01:20:40.000 And I don't know.

01:20:40.760 For me, the first thing I thought of was Gavin says, like, he can relate to black people because he can't read.

01:20:47.960 And now she's relating to prisoners because she killed her sister, which I don't know.

01:20:52.820 It's I don't know.

01:20:54.960 It's a stretch.

01:20:55.340 I just want to say I can read, you know, so I can read.

01:20:58.000 And so I just don't relate to Gavin on that level.

01:20:59.580 You know, it's tough for me because I do know how to read.

01:21:02.740 And so when I heard him say that, I was just, you know, it made me really just confused.

01:21:07.340 Oh, yeah.

01:21:07.980 I mean, it wasn't just that he can't read it.

01:21:10.120 It was like he's talking about his low SAT score.

01:21:11.980 Like, I'm just like you. 1.00

01:21:13.220 Stupid. 1.00

01:21:13.840 I mean, that's what he thinks of black people. 1.00

01:21:16.400 He didn't say it that explicitly, but he might as well have.

01:21:18.340 Well, it's also funny because, you know, every, you know, how often, you know, once every four years, these people go into the black church and they go into, you know, they go get chicken and waffles and they go to 125th, you know, Martin Luther King or 125th.

01:21:32.160 and Lennox and Harlem, and they just disappear for four years. And so it's just funny. It's like,

01:21:35.500 oh, I know that there's an election coming up because you're pandering again.

01:21:39.500 All right. Here's some more girl power. You're going to like this, Stephanie. This is in case 1.00

01:21:44.360 you woke up feeling disempowered today. Jennifer Newsome is here for you in SOT 22.

01:21:50.480 Like every problem that we have in society right now will be fixed when women come together and 1.00

01:21:57.620 partner with our male allies and other allies. But when more women are in the rooms, making 1.00

01:22:03.580 decisions, changing the status quo and transforming not just our culture, but our society and our 1.00

01:22:10.060 economy. I'll give you one example. Look at Silicon Valley. Had more women been early on

01:22:17.720 in those companies or at the tables of power making decisions, I don't think we would have 1.00

01:22:23.540 so much uh or have allowed for so much sort of bigotry racism misogyny and hate online think

01:22:31.440 about who's the victims online more often than not it's women march lgbtq plus marginalized

01:22:37.800 communities women of color thoughts on that stephanie i mean it's the same thing that

01:22:46.080 don larry already said like there is it's always the system getting you and there's no accountability

01:22:51.680 everybody's picking on us the patriarchy i more women in the rooms what does that even

01:22:58.420 even mean um i think when i was in women's studies this is something that they talked a lot about 0.55

01:23:06.240 like basically it was a failure to be a stay-at-home mom you need to be out there working 1.00

01:23:12.640 and um i just i don't agree with like more women in the rooms it's what we need to hold space so 0.96

01:23:20.480 we can all talk about our feelings and nothing gets done. A lot of the times the stuff that 1.00

01:23:25.860 they're calling bigotry and, you know, like oppression is just, is literally what it takes

01:23:31.720 to move the ball forward in a business. And I don't know that they understand that. I, I don't

01:23:38.740 know. Plus it's like, there actually have been women in very big roles in tech virtually from

01:23:44.740 the beginning. Sheryl Sandberg comes to mind who had an early seat on the Google rocket ship 1.00

01:23:48.900 and then went on to be Mark Zuckerberg's number two at Facebook, now Meta for the vast majority

01:23:54.180 of its existence. Elizabeth Holmes, they tried their luck with her at the helm of one of Silicon 0.96

01:24:01.040 Valley's most storied companies. How'd that work out? Susan Wojcicki, who was running YouTube

01:24:07.280 for many, many years, an offshoot of Google. It's a very, very large company. It's like,

01:24:13.580 i'm not sure these women were the antidote that she seems to think or she seems to be kind of

01:24:19.900 clueless that they were even there domilary like in her world they just didn't exist and that's 1.00

01:24:25.680 why we had mean people in silicon valley also there's ursula burns she was the first uh black

01:24:29.860 and the first female ceo of a fortune 500 company uh of xerox but i think this you know when i see

01:24:35.080 that clip it makes me think about that 2024 map where you had all the arrows pointing right and

01:24:39.660 you had the entire country shift right and i think a lot of that was driven by men and i think when

01:24:44.440 you see that type of dialogue of like hey you know women and look obviously we all love women

01:24:49.000 we're all pro women but it's like when you see that type of dialogue that's about you're just 0.85

01:24:53.260 women we need more women women this i think about how you know how that's how you have a sneco

01:24:58.680 andrew tate uh a clavicular like if you see the the rise of all these you know manosphere look

01:25:04.640 smaxing, bone smashing, you know, all this stuff.

01:25:07.680 I think it's men feeling like they've been chased out or they've been painted as the

01:25:14.020 enemy, right?

01:25:14.560 Because if you're, I mean, there are only men and women, right?

01:25:17.260 I mean, well, I mean, people disagree about that, but. 0.99

01:25:19.700 Correct.

01:25:20.800 You know, I'm not going to, you know, that's what I think, I think. 0.83

01:25:23.400 But so when you're saying, you know, men. 0.98

01:25:25.420 No, it's a fact.

01:25:26.080 When you're saying, you know, women, you're kind of saying, okay, not men.

01:25:29.440 And I think even though your intentions might be good, what you're creating is this next 1.00

01:25:32.380 generation of when you see, you know, like I said, the sneakos and the claviculars and, you know,

01:25:36.620 people feel, you know, this manosphere and this looks maxing and all this stuff, how did that

01:25:39.980 come about? It's like, well, yeah, you spent the last 10 years saying, you know, you see what they

01:25:44.660 did to Brett Kavanaugh, right? Like you spent the last 10 years kind of demonizing, even if

01:25:48.800 they try to ruin a man's life. So I think it's, you know, I think. So that's very interesting

01:25:52.940 because she raises, she raises Andrew Tate in this next soundbite. Like she, she doesn't think

01:25:58.440 she's the reason for Andrew Tate. She thinks she's the solution to Andrew Tate. Here's a little bit

01:26:03.900 more from Jennifer Newsom, SOT21. Voices that spend time online are moving a little bit,

01:26:10.760 I'm trying not to be political here, but are moving to the right and being sort of influenced

01:26:17.900 by the Andrew Tates and some of that sort of alt-right socialization online that we know is

01:26:23.140 very, very dangerous. My husband and I were alarmed when our kids were watching sports

01:26:29.860 online and my son knew about Andrew Tate and thought he was pretty cool and thought that

01:26:34.920 his Republican grandfather, my father, would like Andrew Tate. So that's scary. While we're

01:26:41.560 working on legislation to hold tech companies accountable and help them be a force for good

01:26:47.560 our kids' and families' lives, to really provide all the best-in-class resources and support

01:26:53.420 for youth so that they don't go down this rabbit hole of very, very dangerous and limiting

01:27:00.240 narratives around ultimately what it means to be a girl and what it means to be a boy.

01:27:05.760 Okay. There was a lot in that one too, Stephanie. So first of all, we know her son was also

01:27:10.780 into Charlie Kirk, which Gavin Newsom admitted to Charlie when they sat across from each other.

01:27:16.860 And I heard a very interesting New York Times profile on Clavicular, who for the listening

01:27:23.840 audience, if you don't know, is a young, he's like 20, so-called looks maxer.

01:27:28.720 He invented the term.

01:27:29.880 He's this like six foot two, 180 pound guy who's like, it's very important for guys to

01:27:35.320 be angular and muscly and like virile, although he actually doesn't care about virality, according

01:27:42.040 to the writer of this piece, because his is being ruined by the multiple medications he's on,

01:27:46.780 which he openly admits include like the medication to not lose your hair. And I think possibly some

01:27:51.280 steroids too, if memory serves, which affects sexual function. And he says it doesn't matter.

01:27:56.560 Like what's important is maxing out your looks. Anyway, the point is, after I heard this, I asked

01:28:01.840 my own 16 year old, have you ever heard of clavicular? A boy, and my son's, my 16 year old's

01:28:06.920 a boy. And he's like, oh yeah, everybody knows who that is. I'm like, oh really? And I was like,

01:28:11.140 what do you know about him? And he gave me like two lines on him. And then we moved on. He's not

01:28:15.060 an influence in my son's life. I didn't think we need to censor the internet. I didn't go to some

01:28:19.080 tech forum talking about how these executives need to crack down on the internet so that my

01:28:23.180 16-year-old would never have to hear about who. It's like, you raise your kid with good values.

01:28:28.100 You don't fear this kind of thing, Stephanie. Well, I just think this is also part of the

01:28:33.200 pendulum doing pendulum things because probably when you live in a house with, sorry, but a bunch 1.00

01:28:39.480 of pussies, you're going to think that people like, I mean, I'm not saying that Andrew Tate 1.00

01:28:45.460 is a good influence by any means, but when, you know, that's the other side of the pendulum. 0.99

01:28:50.300 And when you aren't used to seeing that, there are probably some things that seem interesting

01:28:54.560 to you.

01:28:55.580 I don't know.

01:28:57.720 Yeah.

01:28:58.260 The more verboten it is, the more these kids are probably going to be attracted to it,

01:29:04.080 Domolary, like, or at least interested in like clicking on it and seeing what it's all

01:29:07.680 about.

01:29:07.900 Well, I mean, she said she changes the name of protagonists in stories from men to women, which, or, you know, if it's a male protagonist that she's reading a story to her kids, she'll change the name to just be a woman or the pronoun to be a woman.

01:29:23.460 And I don't know, that's also, that's like lying and weird.

01:29:28.440 I don't, I imagine.

01:29:30.220 And unnecessary.

01:29:30.560 Yeah, the kids, not that she reads the Bible to them, but the kids grow up and they're like, oh, wait, it's not Nora's Ark.

01:29:36.660 Noah's Ark

01:29:37.820 like

01:29:38.180 I don't know 1.00

01:29:39.040 it's so stupid 1.00

01:29:40.440 yeah it's like 1.00

01:29:41.980 I will say

01:29:42.380 I don't think Cliff Vickler

01:29:43.720 invented a lick smacking

01:29:44.600 I don't think he would say that

01:29:45.580 but

01:29:45.760 I think your point about

01:29:47.440 verboten is very true

01:29:48.500 I often think about

01:29:49.640 what I call

01:29:50.340 the Eminem principle

01:29:51.280 right

01:29:51.600 who was the biggest rapper

01:29:52.680 in the 2000s

01:29:53.400 it was Eminem

01:29:54.060 and a lot of

01:29:55.420 parents would say

01:29:56.120 hey you can't listen to Eminem

01:29:57.100 you can't listen to Eminem

01:29:57.860 you're not listening to Eminem

01:29:58.700 he swears he does this

01:29:59.840 so what do people do

01:30:00.760 they go

01:30:01.320 and they try and

01:30:02.100 download or buy Eminem

01:30:03.580 and I think you see a lot of that

01:30:04.720 with anything in culture

01:30:06.060 It could even be Trump, right?

01:30:07.320 Trump is forbidden. 0.98

01:30:08.960 He's bad. 0.83

01:30:09.500 And it's like, okay, I want to check that out.

01:30:10.960 And so I think this just shows that they don't have control of their household.

01:30:14.600 They need to bring in legislation to keep influences out.

01:30:19.440 Now, on the subject of messaging to girls, you raised this a minute ago, Stephanie, about 0.94

01:30:23.940 how it's still, notwithstanding our efforts on the right to normalize being a stay-at-home

01:30:29.040 mom as a totally valid choice and just as empowering as going on to be a CEO.

01:30:34.800 we still have work to do uh the the opposite message is still out there and certainly dominates 0.91

01:30:40.600 the left and they control us you know our media and our culture and our hollywood movies and so 1.00

01:30:44.200 on which brings me to chelsea handler and the following soundbite from this 51 year old woman

01:30:49.100 uh in sat 32 i like traveling a lot i like hooking up with guys i don't like to get too serious

01:30:55.760 i don't want someone in my space all the time um i just am not interested in that you know it's

01:31:02.920 such a different way to live nobody's ever that honest about that would you do you see yourself

01:31:07.380 uh committing to like i don't know marriage or being with somebody you said you've never been

01:31:13.940 with somebody for that long like could you i just think marriage is so outdated really it's just a

01:31:19.240 really silly idea but you know since i've bemoaned marriage my whole entire public life i would be

01:31:25.700 really hypocritical for me to get married yeah which means i'll probably do it you know at some 1.00

01:31:30.220 point, I might just go, okay, fuck it. I'm, you know, I'm 50 years old, so I might as well just 1.00

01:31:34.460 go get married. What, you know, what could go wrong at this point? But I don't care about

01:31:38.180 marriage. I don't care about that kind of like, I feel like that's a very patriarchal thing.

01:31:43.040 Anyway, you're kind of like property a little bit. Oh, it's marriage is patriarchal. It's much

01:31:50.900 more fun to just hook up with guys all the way into your menopause years as she is now 51 and

01:31:58.440 has, I guess, absolutely no desire to have a deep, meaningful connection with another human

01:32:03.020 who's her partner in life and potentially father to a children.

01:32:07.140 Yeah. I mean, I guess I thought that was cool when I was 22 and also, you know, a liberal and,

01:32:14.220 you know, still figuring out who I was like, oh, I'll never get married, whatever. But yeah,

01:32:20.160 I think when you're that age and I just don't know if I believe it either, what she's saying, 0.87

01:32:25.200 Even the bit about how she's like, well, now I can't do it because it would make me a hypocrite.

01:32:30.420 It's like you're so attached to the things that you believe and you won't, you're not willing to update those beliefs at any time because of how it'll make you look.

01:32:41.600 I mean, so you haven't grown at all your whole life.

01:32:44.320 You just still feel the, you, yeah.

01:32:46.880 And then there's obviously other, you know, biologically, and we need shared resources

01:32:52.500 obviously makes more sense. 0.96

01:32:54.040 A mother to take care of children while a man can go work and make money. 0.99

01:32:59.260 And yeah, I could go on for a while on that.

01:33:02.860 But what an outdated view of marriage.

01:33:05.040 You become your husband's property, Delory?

01:33:07.380 Like, okay, what are, you know, 1,700 called and they'd like your definition of marriage

01:33:12.300 back.

01:33:12.680 Yeah, it sounds a little bit like Cope.

01:33:14.040 You know, I know she dated 50 Cent, so maybe she just, you know, things didn't work out with her and her and 50 Cent.

01:33:18.360 But I think also this whole idea of, you know, marriage is patriarchal.

01:33:21.380 You know, when I grew up, I listened to a lot of, I still listened to a lot of rap, a lot of hip-hop, a lot of, watched a lot of NBA basketball.

01:33:27.180 And a lot of icons in those places are people who came from single-parent households and came from poverty.

01:33:32.360 You know, Tupac or, you know, different rappers and basketball players.

01:33:35.760 And I used to think that, you know, coming from a single-parent household or whatever was some sort of, you know, projected that you would do well in life.

01:33:42.720 As I got older, I realized it's actually the opposite. If you look at any, you know, any sort of linear or longitudinal study of people's success, coming from a stable two-parent household, whether it's sports, it's music, anything, you know, increases your chances for success in life. So I think just this idea of preaching that it's this negative thing, marriage is actually this very stable thing. You know, it's a very great thing. It's an incredible thing that's been invented that really promotes stability and prosperity.

01:34:09.800 That also brings it full-

01:34:11.320 She's another one who like,

01:34:12.200 you can't go on the internet.

01:34:13.680 If you go on the internet every day,

01:34:14.760 you can't go very long without seeing

01:34:16.460 another picture of Chelsea Handler naked

01:34:19.200 and in an exhibitionist kind of way. 0.98

01:34:23.120 Like she's desperate for us to see her

01:34:24.560 without her clothes.

01:34:25.240 It's like, maybe if she had taken another route

01:34:28.440 where she fulfilled herself with connections to others,

01:34:33.840 including in a long-term love relationship

01:34:36.120 where if you do it right,

01:34:38.180 your love only deepens and grows and becomes more profound over time and you don't feel the need to

01:34:44.020 be affirmed by the internet, she wouldn't be doing that all the time. Like I, I, I do feel to each

01:34:51.260 her own. If you don't want to get married and you want to live a life where you're still running

01:34:54.680 around looking for your next date at age 51. Okay. That's, that's fine. You know, but it's such a

01:35:01.940 bill of goods to hold it out to young women. Stephanie is something that could really like,

01:35:06.160 that's something that's nine times out of ten going to make them happy. It's not. It's the

01:35:11.280 opposite. Yeah, and I think it comes full circle as well to back to Newsom or his wife. Yeah,

01:35:19.500 that stuff doesn't happen. His life partner? Oh, yes, she's the first partner. Yeah, that's crazy.

01:35:26.840 But it comes full circle because it's not an accident that some of these kids have ended up

01:35:33.080 in these situations it is literally what's taught uh ideologically oh marriage is part of the

01:35:40.520 patriarchy and you don't want to be somebody's property and yada yada yada so destroy the

01:35:45.800 nuclear family and then what happens you have kids getting in a lot of accidents are happening 0.66

01:35:52.680 and you know yeah a lot of people she's got air quotes are on accident killing their brother and

01:35:59.160 sister or worse. Yeah. Just accidentally, totally accidentally where they joined a gang and shot

01:36:06.660 somebody gang style for an initiation like we see in the South side of Chicago. Okay. Keeping it

01:36:12.580 going. Yay. Yay. West is making a comeback. You know, he had a couple of very rough years with all

01:36:19.340 the anti-Semitism and praising of Hitler and all the stuff that he did. And then he came out with

01:36:25.380 a full-throated apology saying, you know what? I've got a problem. I'm bipolar. And when you

01:36:31.980 are in this sort of manic phase, you think you can do no wrong and say no wrong, and you can,

01:36:38.120 but you don't believe it when people tell you. And I think he's asking for another chance.

01:36:42.780 You know, he's had a couple of chances, but he's asking for another chance. And I think,

01:36:46.200 like most people are saying in sort of the left-wing culture are saying, no, the UK is

01:36:51.440 literally telling him, no, he can't even come into the United Kingdom, which is crazy because

01:36:57.840 of his controversial views for which he's apologized. It's not like he killed anybody.

01:37:03.840 And he's but he's doing it his way down. He's like, OK, I'm still going to launch

01:37:08.360 concerts. He's made thirty three million dollars after the first two, I think it is.

01:37:14.020 So what do you make of this dynamic now where he's still officially canceled,

01:37:18.100 but the people are the ones who ultimately decide whether you're canceled or not.

01:37:23.820 I'm glad you asked that. I think, you know, when I think about the shift,

01:37:27.000 I think about that arrow, right? We all remember that November,

01:37:29.540 you know, whatever day that was 2024 when you saw those arrows pointing right.

01:37:33.180 And I think one of the biggest things that caused that shift,

01:37:35.440 especially amongst young men is that culture on the left of just trying to

01:37:39.460 destroy people totally. Like I'm very, I'm, you know,

01:37:42.520 antisemitism is awful. A lot of my close friends are Jewish. I, you know,

01:37:46.260 A lot of my favorite artists are Jewish.

01:37:48.060 But I think that this idea, this idea on the left to just punish totally, to just destroy someone.

01:37:54.860 And I think that they had this idea of like, oh, cancel culture.

01:37:57.280 It's not cancel culture.

01:37:58.100 It's consequence culture.

01:37:59.340 We just want accountability.

01:38:01.280 And I think one thing that's really good about Trump, he never apologizes.

01:38:03.760 One thing you notice about Trump, he never apologizes.

01:38:05.440 And I think it's the right instinct because these people who are trying to cancel someone, they don't want, you know, they want you to kill yourself. 0.92

01:38:11.600 I generally think that they want you to die.

01:38:13.620 You know, they want you to just never be able to work again to never—

01:38:16.940 You wouldn't behave differently if that were your goal.

01:38:20.300 You would behave no differently than these leftist cancellation lovers. 0.95

01:38:22.720 Yeah, and I think it's just sick.

01:38:24.500 Like, I think there's something—it's not Christ-like.

01:38:26.500 If you think about the story of the Bible, it's about redemption.

01:38:28.740 It's about forgiveness.

01:38:29.480 It's about the prodigal son, you know, returning.

01:38:31.700 And I think that this idea, like, you know, he's lost billions.

01:38:34.680 He lost his marriage.

01:38:35.480 He's lost, you know, his business partnerships.

01:38:38.820 And I think that it just shows that this idea that we were sold during the peak, what we call peak woke, peak cancel culture, that it's just about accountability and apologizing and growing.

01:38:48.320 It's like, no, they want to see you destroyed.

01:38:50.480 And I think kudos to Kanye, kudos to people who keep going, who persevered through this, because I think that you cannot let them win.

01:38:58.500 Keep going is literally the best advice for anyone facing cancellation of any kind.

01:39:03.840 Just keep going.

01:39:04.940 You don't have to handle it with grace.

01:39:06.520 You don't have to handle it well.

01:39:07.820 you just have to keep going to win. Here's Nigel Farage, Stephanie, over there in the UK on their

01:39:13.840 refusal to allow him into the country, SOT30. But I think if we start banning people from

01:39:22.860 entering the country because we don't like what they say, I worry where that ends up.

01:39:29.320 I worry where that ends up. So I think it's a dangerous path to go down.

01:39:33.660 Pretty extraordinary. They're throwing people in jail for their opinions over there.

01:39:36.800 and now banning them from even entering.

01:39:40.260 I mean, if you were a terrorist,

01:39:41.640 you know, if you were a terrorist coming on a boat,

01:39:43.200 they'd walk in with open arms.

01:39:45.260 Yeah, exactly right.

01:39:46.760 You go, Stephanie, I have one minute to break 0.99

01:39:49.120 and then I'm gonna hold you guys over for a bit.

01:39:50.520 That's actually what I was gonna say. 0.66

01:39:52.040 They have no problem with these rapists with,

01:39:54.820 I mean, they just welcome them

01:39:56.320 and make every excuse in the world for them.

01:39:58.620 But when it comes to speech, it's the end of the world.

01:40:02.520 Yeah, and thank God we have people like Nigel Farage

01:40:05.540 over there trying to stand up for what's right. But the majority opinion in the UK has already

01:40:09.600 gone. It is gone. So Kanye, yay. I don't think that's the place for you. I think you got to

01:40:14.320 stick to America where we're not as tolerant as we used to be or as we should be, but we still

01:40:19.640 are the most tolerant nation you're going to find on earth. Okay. Stand by because we got to get to

01:40:24.200 this crazy story about these 40 year old women throwing themselves weddings when it's really

01:40:29.620 just their birthday. And also the latest on Brian Noem. What a doozy of an update. You can only

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01:41:13.380 Back with our guests in a minute, but first I want to bring you this breaking news.

01:41:16.780 We told you in the first hour of our show today about how when the Pakistani prime minister

01:41:24.180 announced the ceasefire that had been reached between the United States and Iran, he mentioned

01:41:30.020 that one of the terms was the bombing of Lebanon by Israel would stop and that then it didn't stop.

01:41:38.420 And Bibi Netanyahu said that's not one of the deal terms, notwithstanding what the prime

01:41:43.300 minister of Pakistan, who helped broker this deal reportedly, said. And then President Trump spoke

01:41:48.860 with the PBS reporter on whom he hung up, but not before saying, no, Lebanon's not part of the deal.

01:41:55.860 Well, now Iran is weighing in, in a post online by its foreign minister that reads as follows.

01:42:04.600 The Iran-U.S. ceasefire terms are clear and explicit. The U.S. must choose ceasefire or

01:42:10.360 continued war via Israel. It cannot have both. The world sees the massacres in Lebanon. The ball is 0.77

01:42:16.920 in the US court and the world is watching whether it will act on its commitments. And he is

01:42:21.640 retweeting the announcement by that Pakistani prime minister. And he has highlighted where he

01:42:28.540 writes, along with their allies, the US along with their allies have agreed to an immediate ceasefire

01:42:35.220 everywhere, including Lebanon. So he is citing the very same thing that we cited to you, the

01:42:42.440 statement by the prime minister of Pakistan as evidence that this was part of the deal

01:42:47.000 and saying this, it's up to us that we have to choose ceasefire or continued war via Israel,

01:42:53.780 but we're not going to have Israel attacking Lebanon and continue the ceasefire. That's

01:43:00.140 where we are at 2.01 p.m. Eastern on Wednesday, April 8th. We'll get back to you. First,

01:43:08.400 we resume our cultural panel. Two great follows on X. That's how we found them. Damilari Sanoiki

01:43:15.300 and Stephanie Tyler. Thank you both again so much for being here. I want to kick this piece off with

01:43:20.680 Brian Noem, who is Kristi Noem's husband. Absolutely no, we're taking a break,

01:43:28.540 announcements. We're going to have a trial separation. They're just going to, you know,

01:43:33.500 grid it out because it seems obvious she's known for a long, long time. I mean, I think most people

01:43:38.440 believe that. It's been an open secret at the White House. There's no way everybody at the

01:43:42.100 White House knew, and Kristi Noem didn't know. She's been having, reportedly, they deny a long

01:43:46.620 affair with Corey Lewandowski. I don't know what's going on with this marriage, but I do find this

01:43:50.240 fetish bizarre, and the updates on him are kind of riveting. All right, so here's the latest.

01:43:56.400 He paid a lot of women who are part of this so-called bimbofication fetish to like talk 0.99

01:44:04.040 dirty with him over the phone, like a FaceTime, I guess, and to wear their little outfits 0.99

01:44:09.840 and to let him wear his little outfits too as some sort of like kink. 0.87

01:44:15.180 And I've been in touch with one of these women who's given me like a bunch of information

01:44:21.400 on him, including we broke earlier this week that he told her he had entered sex rehab,

01:44:28.880 I believe out in South Dakota. Obviously it didn't work out. And now there's one who is

01:44:36.560 speaking out to the Daily Mail. Here she is in an on-camera soundbite that she gave to them about

01:44:44.500 what would happen. Her name is Nicole Racogno, and she is an OnlyFans Barbie doll fetish quote

01:44:54.680 model. Those breasts are in the N category. They're a 38 N, Stephanie. We did not know that N even 0.97

01:45:02.800 existed in the broad department. I'm sure it's special order, but here is what she has to say

01:45:08.940 about her conversations with the married Brian Noem.

01:45:12.920 He was like, I want to be your slave.

01:45:14.820 I want to call me slave.

01:45:16.160 And I was like, OK, that's why his name has been slave for five and a half years.

01:45:21.360 So I call him slave babe. 0.90

01:45:23.120 He would say, hi, boob god. 0.99

01:45:24.440 Your boobs are so good. 0.99

01:45:25.760 You're so perfect. 1.00

01:45:27.760 You're the boss. 1.00

01:45:28.740 It was just a fun bimbo fantasy girlfriend. 1.00

01:45:32.980 There was no kind of like wanting to be a girl or anything. 1.00

01:45:35.980 There was one thing.

01:45:37.180 It was only very small.

01:45:38.300 He was like, I'd love to be a bimbo like me. Right. And he just said he liked a pink thong.

01:45:44.640 I think I was pretty special to him. I don't think he bought other girls rings, red bottoms, Louis Vuitton purses, fillers.

01:45:52.540 You know, I don't know, though, there could be more.

01:45:55.940 He did. He did. I'm sorry to tell you.

01:45:58.000 yeah, Nicole, he did buy others

01:46:00.080 because I have it on good authority

01:46:01.600 that there's at least one man

01:46:03.660 whose very large breast implants he paid for.

01:46:08.440 And I've seen pictures of that chest

01:46:11.980 now totally deflated with the enormous implants out.

01:46:14.680 And it's a nightmare.

01:46:16.320 I think he was buying quite a few people

01:46:18.420 breast implants, fillers, gifts.

01:46:21.000 And so I don't know, like what was going like,

01:46:23.720 was this all Christy Noem's salary

01:46:25.160 plus his insurance job paying for this?

01:46:27.480 I don't know.

01:46:28.000 hate to think it was our tax dollars, but it appears to have been. And here's a little extra

01:46:32.860 element for you, Stephanie. She produced a text exchange between the two of them where he wrote

01:46:38.020 to her, would love to marry you. And then he added, how are you going to pay off? And she replies,

01:46:45.140 all paid. And he writes, how? And then he responds back to her, use my Amex. I'm not sure what this

01:46:51.300 means. But then he gushed and further messages, quote, I seem to be falling in love with you.

01:46:57.240 I do love you. I effing want to pay it because you're the one that I love. I would love to marry

01:47:04.060 you. So there's been quite a discussion in the wake of this revelation that he's got this fetish

01:47:09.640 about whether this is cheating or whether it's a harmless online fetish slash kink. No different 0.81

01:47:18.680 from like the way, you know, your whatever older brother used to look at Playboy back in the day.

01:47:26.460 It's just as harmless as that.

01:47:28.500 You tell me whether you agree.

01:47:30.340 I don't think it's harmless.

01:47:32.320 I don't get it, first of all.

01:47:34.500 I do not understand any of that appeal, but I don't think it's harmless.

01:47:39.740 I think there is something deeply perverted happening on both sides of that.

01:47:45.500 And, you know, one person is enabling it.

01:47:47.700 Again, how?

01:47:49.040 Don't know.

01:47:50.180 But, no, I think that's far from harmless.

01:47:53.940 It's disgusting.

01:47:55.500 Sorry.

01:47:56.020 What do you think, Damalari? Because, you know, I don't know that he ever took those texts or, you know, I love you's to a physical encounter. So far from what we know, it seems to have been enough for him to don the little hot pink biker shorts or this woman says thong himself and put on the big fake boobs and like get off on like dirty talk with these ladies.

01:48:24.380 Yeah, you know, I'm kind of of two minds of it.

01:48:27.080 I think on the one hand, you know, if you're not harming anyone, you know, to each their own, people have different interests.

01:48:31.020 I like to play basketball.

01:48:32.200 I like to go to Equinox and lift weights.

01:48:34.140 I've never thought about what I would look like with gigantic mommy milk or, you know, titties, but, you know, to each their own.

01:48:40.700 Not even in the past week?

01:48:41.980 You didn't even, like, give it a second thought?

01:48:43.960 No, no, not.

01:48:44.680 There was that one time.

01:48:45.620 No, I think that, you know, but on the other hand, I do think this type of deviance, first of all, you're in a, it shows poor judgment, right?

01:48:52.240 You're taking pictures.

01:48:53.000 Your wife is in a very high senior government position.

01:48:55.720 This creates, you know, material that you could be compromised by.

01:48:58.300 So it shows poor judgment.

01:48:59.800 And I also think about, I mean, so we're both true crime.

01:49:02.640 You know, we both love true crime.

01:49:04.100 I think about BTK, right?

01:49:05.720 BTK, he was really into that stuff. 0.75

01:49:07.360 He was into wearing, you know, putting on this, you know, weird, taking these weird pictures and putting on women's clothing.

01:49:13.760 And not everyone who cross dresses, you know, is a serial killer.

01:49:17.740 But it just, you know, it does give a little bit of pause.

01:49:21.460 i mean i think the vast majority of american spouses male or female would easily classify

01:49:29.540 this as cheating you know you're telling another person you love them you're asking to see them 1.00

01:49:34.020 i'm sure it was naked i'm sure she wasn't wearing her little looks like a wrestling 1.00

01:49:38.260 singlet that most of these women wear you know like teeny tiny little strips over the 1.00

01:49:42.820 n size breast n n we're down in the middle of the alphabet i think it's absolutely cheating

01:49:48.480 Madison Cothorn, it makes me think about what Madison Cothorn said about there's being weird stuff going on.

01:49:52.700 You know, I live in L.A.

01:49:53.460 People are like, you know, there are these eyes wide shut parties.

01:49:55.940 And you hear that about D.C., about just this weird stuff.

01:49:58.440 And Madison Cothorn said it's on both sides.

01:50:00.460 You know, these weird, just weirdness.

01:50:02.500 And I think as you elevate in society, there's just this weird stuff.

01:50:06.260 You know, I don't know how to deal with it.

01:50:08.480 Oh, in News 2, the stories I could tell you. 0.98

01:50:12.980 Now, like, I can't name who it is, but trust me when I tell you there is a pair of news individuals out there that is big time into the swinger parties. 0.97

01:50:23.940 And like, it's just crazy because these people are on people's screens every night as like, OK, legitimate, serious news people.

01:50:32.420 And like the compromise that people have on them is amazing.

01:50:37.520 I just have to leave it at that.

01:50:39.080 It's just a little tease for you.

01:50:40.180 I would not besmirch them by revealing it.

01:50:42.720 I don't know firsthand. I'm happy to tell you we're reliably informed by more than one person

01:50:47.700 that this is true. So that's sadly, Kristi Noem's marriage. Good luck to her. They should just get

01:50:53.680 a divorce. She clearly wants to be with Corey Lewandowski. He's also married. I realize some 1.00

01:51:00.060 people are totally against divorce. They don't believe in no fault divorce, but it's here for

01:51:04.880 a reason. Get out of that marriage. They're all relatively young. They're mid fifties. You have 0.97

01:51:09.440 your whole life, you know, what, 30, maybe 40 years ahead of you, fucking get a divorce. Go 1.00

01:51:14.360 live the life you want to live. I don't like, I can't imagine staying in a marriage where like

01:51:18.760 you've got that going on while you're at work. You got to worry about your husband stealing your

01:51:22.780 little outfits and shoving big balloons down them and then getting off with some bimbo model online. 1.00

01:51:27.960 It's a nightmare. Okay. Now back to Chelsea Handler. She's not the only one who is living 1.00

01:51:36.100 well into her life without getting married. And I guess just happy that she hasn't. There is a new

01:51:43.140 thing where you, if you are 40 years old or having a big birthday, let's say it's 40, that seems to 0.99

01:51:49.140 be the age for these women. Instead of throwing yourself like a massive birthday party, like 1.00

01:51:54.240 rent the villa in Italy or whatever people do, you throw yourself a wedding. So these are single 0.95

01:52:00.920 gals who never got married and they're throwing themselves wedding complete with the wedding gown, 0.99

01:52:08.760 the veil, the band, like everything. Here's one, here's some video of it, but we, I think we have

01:52:15.760 a real soundbite, don't we? Of one of the gals? No, do we not have that cut? Okay. It's just the

01:52:21.180 video. So here's this gal having, it looks like a wedding, but it is not a wedding because there 1.00

01:52:26.500 is no groom or spouse of any kind, and that pretty much undermines the entire possibility

01:52:34.520 of the word wedding. So you tell me whether this is something that's very promising

01:52:39.860 or very sad, because I have to tell you, when I started to read about it, at first I was ready

01:52:45.560 to totally mock them. Then when I read, I was like, oh God. So this is in the New York Times

01:52:51.520 that was profiled just a couple of days ago.

01:52:54.460 Brittany Allen, a content creator based in New York,

01:52:57.760 initially she did not set out

01:52:59.340 to plan a wedding-like celebration,

01:53:01.380 but she quickly realized that many of the elements

01:53:03.680 she wished to include in her, I guess, 40th birthday,

01:53:07.580 such as speeches from guests

01:53:09.320 and a slideshow of baby photos,

01:53:12.340 felt like moments that happen at a wedding.

01:53:15.120 So Ms. Allen decided,

01:53:17.100 why don't I just do all the things I've waited for?

01:53:21.340 She posted several videos of her weekend-long celebration on social media,

01:53:25.380 which she called her, quote, wedding birthday.

01:53:29.640 She was walking down the aisle.

01:53:34.580 She said this is for anybody who's wanted to do that

01:53:38.680 while Canon D is playing on the violin

01:53:41.120 and looking out at all your favorite people tearing up while they watch you. 0.99

01:53:45.760 It's fucking epic. 0.99

01:53:47.580 I have zero regrets, she said. 1.00

01:53:49.400 wear the damn white dress i'm feeling single tier vibes for her stephanie i don't know this is a 0.99

01:53:56.220 person who i feel like she never she kind of wants to get married this gal she couldn't do it and now 0.99

01:54:03.480 she's she's marrying herself it's weird i don't get it and why why a wedding though i thought the

01:54:12.160 patriarchy was bad why are we doing a wedding why not just have this elaborate birthday party if you

01:54:17.660 want all the attention on yourself and you want to show baby photos. I mean, I genuinely can't 1.00

01:54:23.760 understand it. I've always hated my birthday personally. I don't, it makes me feel weird.

01:54:28.380 Maybe that's part of my trauma or something, but I don't like getting gifts and opening them in

01:54:32.900 front of people. It just is weird. So this idea that, yeah, you're going to go put on a white

01:54:38.100 dress. Like, it's just so strange. I don't get it. I know. It's so, it feels narcissistic and

01:54:44.820 so self-indulgent and, you know, egotistic in a way. I don't know. What do you make of it,

01:54:49.380 Damalari? It feels like cope, honestly, you know, if you wanted to get married and you didn't,

01:54:53.060 and it's tough because she, I mean, she looks beautiful. I don't know why she wouldn't be

01:54:55.980 married, but what you said about marrying yourself. So I live in LA and there are a lot

01:55:00.080 of people who are influencers. And I remember I had this one influencer friend who would talk

01:55:03.240 about, you know, dating myself. I'm sure Stephanie, you've noticed that people talk about,

01:55:07.100 I'm just, I'm dating myself right now. And I was like, well, you know, take yourself on a date.

01:55:10.400 I'm like, you can't take yourself on a date

01:55:12.240 A date, you know, means multiple people

01:55:14.900 And I think every time I've ever met somebody who's doing the

01:55:17.780 Oh, I'm taking myself on a date, I'm dating myself

01:55:20.220 They just got through, like, the most devastating breakup

01:55:22.880 Just, like, just a horrible, terrible breakup

01:55:24.980 And so it's a level of cope

01:55:26.140 And so I think this is probably a similar thing

01:55:27.960 Where it's, like, things didn't work out for you in that department

01:55:32.120 And so now you're like, oh, well, I can still do it myself

01:55:35.440 But, like, you can't date yourself

01:55:36.380 You can't marry yourself

01:55:37.260 And these people are young, they're beautiful

01:55:39.080 Are people dating?

01:55:39.420 like do you see because i i fear that people are not dating they don't know how to do it anymore

01:55:43.800 they like so obsessed with the online dating like are people dating well stephanie are you dating

01:55:49.800 i don't talk about my personal life anymore because i had someone close to me literally

01:55:55.940 it was like cancellation by proxy so i just stay away from that but i mean yeah i of course

01:56:02.160 the internet loves cancellation by proxy i've experienced that i think i hear about gen z

01:56:07.840 not really dating and like if that's true i think i can i can understand it if you saw you know

01:56:12.040 what happened over you know aziz and sorry got canceled for a bad date you know i think that

01:56:16.420 everyone's nervous you used to be able to meet people i mean i think unfortunately the three

01:56:20.900 places that you meet people friends and romantic partners it's school church and work as you get

01:56:26.200 into adulthood you're not in school anymore um church people are just less religious and less

01:56:30.600 going to church less and work everyone's remote and work has been hrified where you know if you

01:56:35.540 you could, you could, it'd be a big risk. And so, yeah, I do wonder, I do wonder people,

01:56:39.860 maybe they're not dating. Maybe that's why, you know, people are having these strange,

01:56:44.100 you know, I'm hearing myself. I feel bad for her. I like when, back, back in my day,

01:56:48.520 there wasn't online dating. And the only way you would get a date as a guy is to ask for it.

01:56:55.240 And the system was still set up such that the onus was pretty much on men to do the courting

01:57:01.540 on women to decide whether they would accept the invite.

01:57:04.620 And that was a system that worked

01:57:06.080 for like thousands of years.

01:57:07.880 Like it worked very well.

01:57:09.600 Everyone understood what was expected of them.

01:57:11.200 There was nothing weird or inappropriate

01:57:12.460 about a man doing it. 0.99

01:57:14.160 And the woman, generally women would know 1.00

01:57:16.560 that you should be polite in saying no 1.00

01:57:18.640 if your answer is no.

01:57:20.000 This is like still a social risk by this guy.

01:57:23.300 But like it wasn't a devastating event for the man either

01:57:25.860 because they took lots of shots.

01:57:27.960 It was the system for meeting people.

01:57:29.640 And I almost feel like online dating really screwed up the system for meeting people to the point where even that doesn't work anymore.

01:57:37.420 People are sick of it.

01:57:38.340 They don't like it.

01:57:39.220 And now they've come up.

01:57:41.200 There's like a couple generations that just don't even know how to do it anymore.

01:57:45.220 Elon with the birth rate stuff, right?

01:57:46.640 I think that ties into what's going on with Elon's sort of fascination with birth rates.

01:57:50.480 And it's a strange time.

01:57:53.420 I mean, I think the past 10 years and also going back to what Miss Newsome said about sort of sort of anti-male rhetoric, you know, what do you think, Stephanie?

01:58:03.640 No, that's exactly what I was going to say, actually, is just this feminization of men and making men feel like they can't be forward or, you know, it's it's scary out there, I'm sure, because you can get canceled for just about anything.

01:58:20.680 I mean, I guess we're past the peak of that. But for a while there, I mean, I think Domilary mentioned Aziz and that was literally a bad date that he got canceled for. A woman couldn't say no or whatever. So I just think we've put men in a bad spot where why why try it? You know, there's consent, but it's like, oh, well, it was forced coercion. And there's just all this new talk around it.

01:58:48.940 It can't, I don't know.

01:58:50.320 It just doesn't, I feel bad for men.

01:58:52.800 Yeah, the age gap stuff too, where it's like,

01:58:54.360 oh, well, you were born, you know,

01:58:55.780 I'm two weeks older than you. 1.00

01:58:57.160 So that's this predatory, you know, the Gen Z, I think. 1.00

01:59:00.140 I sound like an old man, I guess. 1.00

01:59:01.600 Well, that's why we're seeing the rise of people

01:59:03.560 like Andrew Tate, because, you know, 0.60

01:59:05.760 when you've completely feminized

01:59:08.880 and emasculated a generation of men,

01:59:12.280 then you see somebody come along with, you know,

01:59:15.520 testosterone coming out of his ears.

01:59:17.240 it can seem like the antidote, you know, it's like, Oh, okay. Someone who's, if you divorce

01:59:23.800 Andrew Tate from all those videos you've seen of him being very abusive toward women and you just

01:59:28.480 sort of hear his persona, you know, you might not know he's got that other very dark side and you

01:59:33.740 just see somebody who's like sort of radically male and tough and testosterone filled. It can

01:59:39.220 feel like an antidote. Um, so I, I understand it. I just feel like we need to get back to like

01:59:43.960 men and boys, you know, older boys, whatever, teenage boys, learning how to just ask somebody 0.52

01:59:49.700 out, take the L. If it's a no, put themselves out there. And for women to understand this is a gift, 0.93

01:59:55.580 this is a great system. It doesn't mean that you can never do it as a woman, but generally gals,

01:59:59.840 if you are the pursuer, you're losing. Men are biologically designed to pursue. And we're, 0.97

02:00:07.080 you know, that they're kind of going after the prey. It's like the lion and the gazelle.

02:00:10.800 And if you're pretending to be the lion and he's the gazelle, it's not a good long-term formula.

02:00:15.260 To girls, you don't want to wind up with a gazelle. 1.00

02:00:17.300 Okay, so anyway, I feel sorry for the 40-year-old fake brides. 0.99

02:00:21.700 I think the solution to their problem is getting introduced to somebody and not faking a wedding. 0.98

02:00:27.600 Last but not least, we've got to talk about what happened with the SNL, Saturday Night Live crew,

02:00:33.960 which sat down with Vanity Fair for an interview where they all kind of piled in

02:00:39.280 and they started talking about their lives and this one cast member took a left turn that was

02:00:46.960 so bizarre that they wound up having to strip it from the, from the piece. It was, okay. So her

02:00:56.080 name is Chloe Fineman and she starts to launch into this story about abusing a little boy at

02:01:05.180 the camp where she was a counselor. And everyone, even on the SNL cast, was horrified at this story

02:01:14.200 to the point where Vanity Fair had to sterilize the story before they put it, because it's video.

02:01:20.260 They do like video vignettes for their website. They had to sterilize it and take out most of

02:01:25.920 her admissions to try to make it sound a little less disturbing than it was. But they then also

02:01:31.300 posted the full video. So everybody found out anyway. You know, they tried to, I guess, to

02:01:35.260 bury it elsewhere, but everybody found it. And now there's a backlash against Vanity Fair for doing

02:01:41.000 this and against this bizarre person, Chloe Fineman, for speaking about this incident so

02:01:46.720 cavalierly and for doing it in the first place. Here is the uncensored clip.

02:01:52.760 You know, I was fired as a camp counselor.

02:01:56.200 For hitting on the campers?

02:01:57.460 No, I pantsed a boy.

02:02:00.280 Oh, honey, I think you're on a list somewhere.

02:02:03.180 And he wasn't wearing underpants.

02:02:04.700 Oh!

02:02:05.880 And then a giant school bus drove by,

02:02:08.300 and they were like, you can't,

02:02:09.980 like, because he would lift my shirt all the time.

02:02:12.500 Oh, what is happening?

02:02:14.260 It was Berkeley.

02:02:15.400 How old was the child?

02:02:16.600 He was, like, six.

02:02:18.340 No, it was a different time.

02:02:19.960 Like, he would be like, hey, can I have a hug?

02:02:22.180 And I'd go to hug him, and he'd, like, lift my shirt 0.99

02:02:24.200 like a dick, and then I was like, 0.99

02:02:25.700 I'm going to get back at you. 0.99

02:02:26.900 And so we were on a hike and I was like, hey, Ollie, go look over there.

02:02:30.200 It's a hawk.

02:02:31.020 And then I yanked his pants down.

02:02:33.760 He wasn't wearing underwear. 0.98

02:02:34.660 His little ding-a-ling was out.

02:02:36.320 And then these two twins were like, Ollie, I didn't know you didn't wear underwear.

02:02:39.880 And then I was fired.

02:02:42.140 This is horrifying.

02:02:44.800 My executive producer has corrected me that they posted the whole video first and then there was outrage. 0.99

02:02:51.400 And then they took it down and reposted an edited version, which is stupid, too.

02:02:56.900 Of course, people were going to notice, and so what they took out in the sanitized version was they removed her mentioning that the boy was six. 0.87

02:03:05.600 They removed her mentioning, and I quote, that his little ding-a-ling was out.

02:03:10.940 The original video showed that one castmate saying, oh, honey, I think you're on a list somewhere.

02:03:16.900 I don't think that made the final cut.

02:03:18.440 removed her saying that he wasn't wearing underwear

02:03:24.040 and that a giant school bus drove by

02:03:28.420 and saw him in his humiliation.

02:03:30.800 And they also took out the horrified shots

02:03:33.780 of the cast members gasping and covering their faces

02:03:36.260 when she told the story.

02:03:38.060 So I actually think this is deeply disturbing.

02:03:41.620 She was, the way she tells it, she was a counselor.

02:03:44.880 So she was clearly an older person.

02:03:47.640 I don't know what the age was, you know, usually counselors are like teens.

02:03:51.840 So she was much older than this little six-year-old.

02:03:55.360 Being pantsed by anybody, much less someone you perceive as a grownup, is truly an act

02:04:02.260 of degradation and humiliation.

02:04:05.020 And this little boy also didn't have underwear on, so he was completely exposed, which she

02:04:10.180 makes light of by the use of the term ding-a-ling and by casually bringing this up, where this

02:04:15.860 kid may have like truly lasting trauma as a result of this being done to him and being exposed,

02:04:22.080 literally exposed, not just in front of other campers, but in front of an entire busload of

02:04:26.860 students. So this is disgusting. She's disgusting. And my own take on it is it would be bad enough if

02:04:34.140 she did this and had to walk around with the shame of this and the fear that it might come out.

02:04:38.900 never mind to bring it up yourself on camera

02:04:43.520 and try to get others joining in

02:04:46.160 and laughing at this kid's humiliation, Damalari.

02:04:49.840 Well, it's interesting.

02:04:50.660 So I saw this story.

02:04:52.560 Honestly, my first thought was the fact

02:04:54.020 that they tried to sanitize it, right?

02:04:55.260 Because this is the same vanity fear

02:04:56.720 that refuses to put Melania on the cover.

02:04:59.040 You know, if they had anything that made anyone look bad

02:05:01.740 of the wrong political affiliation,

02:05:04.680 they would have promoted it everywhere.

02:05:06.780 I think I need more information.

02:05:08.320 That's an interesting point.

02:05:08.920 Yeah, I was just like, you're running cover, right?

02:05:10.680 If they had something that made some hot mic moment that made you look bad,

02:05:14.340 I don't think they would go and try to scrub it from the internet.

02:05:17.140 I think they'd post it everywhere.

02:05:18.560 Facts.

02:05:19.020 So I think that was my first thought.

02:05:20.060 I think I need more information.

02:05:21.560 Was she 12?

02:05:23.040 Was she 13?

02:05:24.400 Or was she like 18, 19?

02:05:25.820 I think the age.

02:05:27.580 And I think, look, I try to be consistent in a certain way.

02:05:30.920 And I do think she's probably getting piled on right now.

02:05:33.620 And I do think that if I say. 0.86

02:05:36.720 She was 16.

02:05:37.260 She was 16.

02:05:39.100 She was a minor. 0.57

02:05:41.200 The kid was lifting up her shirt.

02:05:44.180 I'm very reluctant to join in on pylons, I will say. 0.99

02:05:46.960 Because I feel like, you know, it's like what I said with the yay thing, right?

02:05:50.600 I think that when people are, when you're in the middle of a pylon, it can be a very difficult time.

02:05:56.360 And so I will extend her grace in the sense that she was a minor.

02:06:00.380 I don't think she should have promoted it, you know, in an interview.

02:06:02.960 And I think it says a lot about Vanity Fair.

02:06:04.900 They try to scrub it because isn't Vanity Fair also a journalistic?

02:06:08.840 Aren't they also like a journalistic?

02:06:10.540 You know, they have like a.

02:06:11.180 So they would have us believe.

02:06:12.240 Yeah.

02:06:12.440 I mean, allegedly.

02:06:13.040 Right.

02:06:13.240 And so it does kind of, they do that for other people.

02:06:16.120 Do they do that for other folks who, you know, because I guess I don't think they would.

02:06:19.480 I just think she, she's got, I don't, I don't care about piling on this person.

02:06:23.940 I don't know her.

02:06:25.300 And we're talking about.

02:06:26.580 It is a very traumatizing thing.

02:06:27.900 It is.

02:06:28.320 Of a six year old boy.

02:06:29.600 Well, I mean, Lita Dunn got canceled for much.

02:06:31.440 16 is not 10.

02:06:33.040 I have a 16-year-old.

02:06:35.940 I have a 14-year-old.

02:06:37.060 I have a 12-year-old.

02:06:37.760 I know exactly what the maturity levels are.

02:06:40.040 And you are well past the point of knowing better at 16

02:06:43.480 that this would be extremely humiliating and hurtful to do.

02:06:47.280 And I don't care that he was trying to pull her shirt up, Stephanie.

02:06:50.720 It's you six.

02:06:52.240 When you're six, you actually don't have good judgment.

02:06:55.580 You're very young. 1.00

02:06:57.140 You do stupid things a lot when you're six. 1.00

02:06:59.500 And it takes a grownup, an authority figure, like a counselor to talk to you about why they're inappropriate, not do something far more inappropriate to you, right? 1.00

02:07:13.540 Like, I get it.

02:07:14.660 Like, okay, I want to teach him a lesson that he shouldn't do this.

02:07:18.160 You could teach anybody. 1.00

02:07:19.560 Why don't you stab him in the leg? 1.00

02:07:21.240 He'll never forget. 1.00

02:07:22.320 He'll always know.

02:07:23.260 Don't do that.

02:07:23.980 Like, there are boundaries to how we teach lessons.

02:07:27.040 And any normal 16-year-old would know public humiliation of this little boy is not it. 0.98

02:07:34.240 And even if you want to give her grace, in my view, okay, you did something dumb at 16. 0.94

02:07:40.480 You allegedly didn't know that he wasn't wearing underwear. 0.85

02:07:42.780 She's not sorry.

02:07:43.980 She's not sorry at all, Stephanie.

02:07:45.380 She thinks it's funny to this day, and she's clearly an adult now.

02:07:50.000 Yeah, yeah, she definitely thought it was funny.

02:07:52.240 At least that was my interpretation of the video.

02:07:54.100 but I think at 16 you what you start driving when you're 15 and you can get your learner's

02:08:00.340 permit and you're responsible for a machine that can kill people I think you're I think you're

02:08:06.280 mature enough to know that you shouldn't be pulling down a child's pants that's you know

02:08:11.920 maybe like a 16 year old and a 16 year old are messing around with each other I think like I

02:08:17.020 had brothers but you know they do that stuff but yeah you're in charge of a group of children

02:08:22.500 and you are the authority figure.

02:08:25.020 So yeah, I don't,

02:08:26.960 I'm not giving her as much grace as you.

02:08:30.500 I think.

02:08:30.740 That's true.

02:08:30.980 And by the way, she's not getting canceled.

02:08:33.100 She's not getting fired from SNL.

02:08:35.280 She's not losing anything.

02:08:36.660 We're just casting judgment on her, 0.93

02:08:38.440 which I'm fine doing because this is disgusting

02:08:40.660 and nobody should consider this okay behavior. 1.00

02:08:43.460 She's 37 years old now.

02:08:44.960 I mean, by 37, you should know

02:08:48.420 that this is completely unacceptable

02:08:50.640 and that you are going to be shamed by society

02:08:54.160 if you do this, Chloe, even by the SNL crowd, 0.72

02:08:58.300 which I'm sure likes her

02:08:59.860 and was like not really of the mood

02:09:02.440 to like shame a fellow castmate,

02:09:04.340 but they were put in an awkward position too.

02:09:06.340 So this is wrong.

02:09:07.460 I mean, I, yeah, go ahead.

02:09:09.680 Okay, with that caveat, 0.85

02:09:10.740 I thought there was maybe some sort of call to fire her

02:09:13.160 or some sort of, I think we're just casting judgment.

02:09:15.700 Yeah, I can agree. 0.98

02:09:16.560 It was, it's a foolish thing to do. 0.99

02:09:18.100 It's a very foolish thing. 0.98

02:09:19.100 Good old fashioned judgment. 0.97

02:09:20.160 Yeah, but I think I'm just so used to the woke,

02:09:22.140 to that impulse of like,

02:09:23.980 okay, well, they've got to lose their job now.

02:09:25.460 They've got to, you know, I think we can sit here

02:09:27.000 and we can say that was a terrible thing to do. 0.98

02:09:28.640 And that was very silly. 0.80

02:09:29.740 No, she told the story publicly. 0.91

02:09:32.000 She wanted it consumed and commented on, obviously,

02:09:35.360 or she wouldn't have done that on camera.

02:09:37.040 And so I'm happy to oblige her. 1.00

02:09:38.920 I think you're disgusting. 0.99

02:09:40.380 I think this was beyond the pale. 1.00

02:09:42.460 You were a disgusting bully. 1.00

02:09:44.340 You owe that boy an apology. 1.00

02:09:45.840 And you should ask all of us

02:09:47.920 to forgive your terrible behavior

02:09:49.520 because you seemed proud of it

02:09:51.740 and you were cavalier about it

02:09:52.820 in a way that could encourage others

02:09:54.040 to do the same to another six-year-old boy.

02:09:55.940 So shame on you.

02:09:57.120 I don't know whether this person's a mother.

02:09:58.880 She certainly doesn't sound like one

02:10:00.040 because trust me, 0.70

02:10:00.560 once you have a six-year-old boy,

02:10:01.680 you would never want this done to him. 0.94

02:10:03.680 So shame on her.

02:10:04.680 And honestly, good on the castmates

02:10:06.680 for feeling free to express their horror.

02:10:10.300 All right, on that note, I got to run.

02:10:12.100 It was a pleasure, guys.

02:10:13.040 I hope you enjoyed your first appearance,

02:10:14.240 but not the last on the MK Show.

02:10:16.800 Thank you.

02:10:17.780 Yeah, thanks for having me.

02:10:19.320 Thanks for having us.

02:10:20.240 All right, we'll do it again.

02:10:21.100 Damilari, Stephanie, all the best.

02:10:23.240 And we are back tomorrow with Michael Knowles

02:10:25.440 and Anna Kasparian.

02:10:27.020 Oh, that'll be a fun one.

02:10:28.140 We'll see you then. 0.91

02:10:29.940 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

02:10:31.800 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - April 08, 2026

Iran Deal Risks and Fallout, with Curt Mills and Mark Halperin, Plus Jennifer Newsom's Wild Comments, with Damilare Sonoiki and Stepfanie Tyler ｜ Ep. 1291

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