The Megyn Kelly Show - Iran Tensions Rise, CBS News Flop, and ＂Landman＂ Slams Pronouns, with Emily Jashinsky, Isabel Brown, and Hayley Caronia

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00:01:00.780 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:02.540 Live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:06.240 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.440 Wow, there's a lot happening today.

00:01:17.340 Things are amping up in Iran, which is going to be where we begin in just a minute.

00:01:21.700 But first, just a couple of highlights of where we're going.

00:01:24.520 A ratings collapse for the CBS Evening News, just as we suspected there would be.

00:01:29.000 It turns out that the American viewers don't want their male news anchors feminized.

00:01:35.560 They don't like Topra Dokopoul.

00:01:38.880 I think they want an actual man.

00:01:41.000 If you're going to put a man in the role, let him be a man.

00:01:43.500 And honestly, if you're going to put a woman in the role, let her be a woman.

00:01:46.600 That was the problem with Katie Couric, too.

00:01:47.980 They put her out there and she tried to like, she lost all of her personality that made people

00:01:51.660 fall in love with her on the morning of the Today Show set and on those mornings.

00:01:56.940 And with this guy, like, you know, they're busy putting out videos of him uncontrollably crying.

00:02:03.760 Like, how about we just do the news?

00:02:05.340 In any event, it's being rejected.

00:02:07.120 Plus, a new roundup of videos from leftists making threats, yelling, crying, screaming,

00:02:11.420 but also, believe it or not, looking for love.

00:02:14.120 And it comes as no surprise that they haven't found it yet.

00:02:18.620 We'll give you some examples.

00:02:21.100 Our first guest just wrote an article trying to explain this viral trend and why it's a growing

00:02:25.240 problem for Democrats.

00:02:26.700 Her name is Emily Jaschinski, and she is the host of After Party with Emily Jaschinski on the

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00:04:02.560 EJ, welcome back to you.

00:04:05.120 We'll get to your article in one second, but things are happening right now in Iran.

00:04:09.920 Quite a bit of action, and we don't know exactly where this is going, but we have some sort of

00:04:17.240 sense.

00:04:18.640 The latest is that we have evacuated troops or are in the process from Al-Udeed Base in

00:04:24.480 Qatar.

00:04:24.940 It's our largest air base in the Middle East.

00:04:27.000 Fox News described it as we are evacuating from, quote, major bases throughout the Middle

00:04:32.400 East.

00:04:33.240 Now, that might have just been loose language to sum up the one base.

00:04:36.520 Um, so at this hour, it's unclear whether it's multiple bases or just the one in Qatar.

00:04:42.680 Um, uh, Reuters is reporting that Tehran has delivered a message to key Gulf states, including

00:04:48.440 Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE, that if Washington launches military action

00:04:52.560 against Iran, Iranian forces will strike U.S. military bases across the region.

00:04:59.300 Um, we've, this, this comes on the heels of a week in which there have been many questions

00:05:05.240 about what we're about to do in Iran.

00:05:07.600 President Trump said, if you shoot any protesters, we're locked and loaded and ready to go in.

00:05:12.500 Then they did shoot a bunch of protesters and we haven't done anything yet, but President

00:05:16.620 Trump canceled the Tuesday meeting he was supposed to have or his emissaries, he and his emissaries

00:05:21.240 with, uh, Iranian emissaries and said, no, not until you release the hostages and behave

00:05:27.840 better.

00:05:28.200 Um, it hasn't gone in that direction.

00:05:30.560 There is a report out of Channel 14 in Israel that, um, they report a foreign nation has

00:05:38.680 been arming some of the Iranian protesters, suggesting some of the targeting of these protesters

00:05:45.740 because they're armed, which gets to one of the complications of this whole thing.

00:05:49.880 Um, it is believed by virtually everybody that both CIA and Mossad are there and playing

00:05:57.720 some role in this, but Iranians who are, you know, pushing for change have made very clear

00:06:05.700 and about, I don't know, a hundred videos that I've been watching trying to find, you

00:06:11.120 know, an actual finger on the pulse of what's happening there, that they are the ones pushing

00:06:14.880 for this, that they want to get rid of the Ayatollah and they don't want it suggested

00:06:19.160 that this is an Israel, Israeli directed thing or a U S directed thing.

00:06:23.800 Like clearly they might be getting some help from those two, but that they want the Ayatollah

00:06:29.820 gone.

00:06:30.220 They want regime change.

00:06:31.600 And the big, big question after what, if anything, is the U S doing is change to what?

00:06:38.240 Because just a quick broad view, what I see is CNN platforming the, the son of the deposed

00:06:47.620 Shah, uh, Reza Pahlavi, who like, who's acting like he could step in and be the leader and

00:06:54.080 he can't, he's like, he hasn't even been in Iran in like 40 years.

00:06:58.760 He has no constituency, actual Iranians.

00:07:02.060 If you watch their videos are like, who?

00:07:03.620 No, it's not him.

00:07:04.660 I, I think he's CNN's version of, again, the Iranian Jeb Bartlett, just going to plop

00:07:10.980 in there.

00:07:11.820 And he's so super friendly to America.

00:07:13.540 And like the Iranians, I haven't seen any constituency over there being like, yeah, that's

00:07:17.140 the one we want.

00:07:18.820 Um, so the question is who, I don't know.

00:07:23.380 So, you know, it's another area where it's like, do we have a plan if we get rid of the

00:07:27.960 Ayatollah?

00:07:29.340 Does that help if, if, if U S forces go over there and get involved, does that help?

00:07:34.660 Because there's this risk that some Iranians will rebel against that, that, you know,

00:07:40.680 oh, it's like, you know, the great evil Satan has interfered in a revolution that was, you

00:07:47.820 know, by the people and now like have a, have an effect of causing them to rally around the

00:07:52.860 regime.

00:07:53.540 These are all questions that I have no answers to.

00:07:56.300 They're just some of the issues that I see being discussed by people who are smart about

00:07:59.400 Iran as we get these reports that we're evacuating our troops from our bases, expecting retaliation.

00:08:05.740 And of course, Emily, the question is retaliation for what, what are we about to do that we're

00:08:10.620 expecting retaliation for?

00:08:12.400 Right.

00:08:12.980 And that's a, that's a, I think one of the important points is Iran has pledged retaliation.

00:08:19.100 No surprise there.

00:08:20.020 We saw some of the same dance back in June when we struck their nuclear sites.

00:08:25.600 And so obviously if Iran is pledging retaliation, the logical next move is to evacuate the base

00:08:31.480 in Qatar, which happened at the time, and to start evacuating bases all over the Middle

00:08:36.660 East.

00:08:37.020 If you don't evacuate bases all over the Middle East, then you're obviously in a situation

00:08:41.540 where there can be real tripwires for a bigger conflict.

00:08:45.780 If American troops start dying, even if what this administration is doing is, quote, non-kinetic,

00:08:52.220 that was a leak from the administration, I mean, it was sourced to a U.S. official from

00:08:57.540 Barack Ravid over at Axios, that Marco Rubio was considering, quote, non-kinetic ways to aid

00:09:04.060 the protesters in Iran.

00:09:05.980 And that could mean a lot of different things.

00:09:08.040 It could mean farming protesters, as you mentioned.

00:09:10.520 It could mean other dirty tricks, CIA-type operations, that sort of thing.

00:09:17.440 But even if that's what's at play, because the U.S. doesn't want its fingerprint on what

00:09:23.080 regime change happens for the points that you were just outlining, does U.S. fingerprints

00:09:28.440 actually make it less likely for whatever the regime changes to, to succeed?

00:09:34.500 If it has, you know, in Venezuela, this is a problem right now for Delcy Rodriguez.

00:09:38.580 People care about Venezuelan sovereignty in Venezuela.

00:09:41.660 They care about Iranian sovereignty in Iran.

00:09:44.720 And so if it looks like U.S. fingerprints are on a regime change operation, does that make

00:09:49.100 it harder for whatever change happens to succeed?

00:09:53.480 These are all things the administration is considering, in addition to the fact that Trump

00:09:57.580 set kind of a red line.

00:10:00.580 And yesterday in his interview with Tony DeCoppo, he said he did something very interesting.

00:10:05.460 DeCoppo said thousands of people, thousands and thousands of people have been killed.

00:10:10.480 And Trump pushed back on that number, which is genuinely interesting, because obviously

00:10:15.920 the numbers, which is the most tragic and disgusting thing in the world, but they're

00:10:19.900 being used as a pretext.

00:10:22.360 People play with the numbers as a pretext for intervention, which is horrible and awful

00:10:27.800 because these does are tragic across the board.

00:10:30.240 But Trump pushed back on DeCoppo and said he's heard two different numbers, which, Megan, I

00:10:33.600 think indicates that he's listening to both sides within his administration.

00:10:37.960 The Vance side, the Lindsey Graham side, and is of mixed feeling himself.

00:10:44.440 That's so good.

00:10:45.420 I mean, good for President Trump for being cautious before we unleash the power of our

00:10:49.420 military.

00:10:50.460 And it's cautious to remove our troops from the bases in the region as well, because even

00:10:55.100 if we don't have something planned that's imminent, you know, things are ratcheting up

00:11:00.000 over there.

00:11:00.600 And we do need to be extra cautious about our American lives that are in the region, which

00:11:05.740 is what, of course, we care about the most.

00:11:07.200 I will say it's very interesting to try to figure out what the folks inside Iran, exactly

00:11:12.520 what they want.

00:11:13.140 They don't seem to back the Ayatollah and this regime.

00:11:17.060 But I did hear somebody pointing out, look, they have thousands on the streets right now

00:11:21.060 protesting.

00:11:22.100 When there was the overthrow of the Shah, they had millions.

00:11:26.380 And so it's not exactly at scale from what it once was.

00:11:30.520 But if you look anywhere on social media, you can find, I mean, just dozens and dozens

00:11:35.360 of Iranians who have managed to get a message out saying that they're so thankful to President

00:11:40.740 Trump.

00:11:41.260 They love President Trump.

00:11:42.600 They want President Trump's help.

00:11:44.760 Now, again, does that speak for the nation?

00:11:46.680 Does that speak for what's actually going to happen in Iran if we do, quote, help?

00:11:50.720 And there's the matter of zooming out to 30,000 feet and looking at U.S. foreign policy right

00:11:55.540 now, right?

00:11:56.040 Because Trump definitely did not run on being an intervener in all these foreign countries.

00:12:00.160 And that would make it like two foreign countries in two weeks time, Venezuela and Iran, and still

00:12:07.400 some saber rattling about Greenland, about Colombia.

00:12:10.860 So, like, this is a lot for the Cuba, right?

00:12:15.620 Let's not forget Cuba.

00:12:16.920 This is a lot for the American people to, like, kind of handle as every day their news

00:12:22.040 feed is filled with, you know, violent scenes out of Minneapolis right here in America.

00:12:27.160 We've got our own problems to solve.

00:12:29.840 Right.

00:12:30.020 And, you know, I said this at the time back in June.

00:12:31.900 I'm more than willing to be proven wrong about the risks of an operation in Iran on the

00:12:36.880 nuclear strikes.

00:12:37.640 I mean, I was, again, more than willing to be proven wrong.

00:12:39.840 But I guess actually a better way to put it is that what I don't think was proven wrong

00:12:44.140 is the risks of operations like this are really high.

00:12:47.200 I mean, that's partially why Trump triumphs it as such a success, is that the risks it

00:12:51.840 could go wrong are so high and so far that has not happened.

00:12:56.360 And the same would apply to strikes, actually, this time around in Iran, of course.

00:13:01.340 And so you are risking potential quagmire-level U.S. involvement in the Middle East.

00:13:07.920 And Iran is not Venezuela.

00:13:09.120 It's very scary.

00:13:10.700 Like, genuinely, I know.

00:13:11.540 And you've been recently talking about this, too, how you have sons, you have children who

00:13:16.280 are of service age.

00:13:17.720 And just thinking about that is, it's just such a glass of cold water doused all over

00:13:23.640 you because it's chilling when you think back to what happened after Iraq and how eager

00:13:30.260 so many of us were to exact retribution and how easily people took advantage of that in

00:13:37.420 the Bush administration at the time.

00:13:38.780 I went to, it was the midterms two years prior to Trump's election.

00:13:45.380 So that would have been 2022.

00:13:47.500 And I was at my son's school.

00:13:49.760 My son was too young to be in the class, but it was like the AP government class at the

00:13:53.560 high school level.

00:13:54.420 And I was talking to these guys and they were kind of helping me around the midterms just,

00:13:57.940 you know, for fun.

00:13:58.500 I thought it'd be a good experience for them.

00:13:59.640 And I got some help out of it, too.

00:14:01.140 It was great.

00:14:01.460 And it's an all boys school.

00:14:03.640 And so I'm dealing with a bunch of 17 and 18 year olds.

00:14:05.960 And we stayed in touch as we geared up for that presidential debate that happened back

00:14:12.280 in December of 2023.

00:14:14.420 And those guys, those young guys were all like to a man against Nikki Haley in that sort of

00:14:24.520 primary season and that presidential debate because they thought she's going to get us into

00:14:29.540 a war and we're the ones who are likely to have to fight that.

00:14:33.040 Now, everybody's worried about a draft without cause, right?

00:14:35.760 Like we don't, there could be a draft, but like right now we have an all volunteer military,

00:14:39.200 but you go to the worst place, especially if you're of age, of course, or the mother of

00:14:43.680 that age.

00:14:45.680 So I realized this is a remote possibility.

00:14:47.500 Like we're really getting ahead of ourselves, but I'm just telling you what was on the mind

00:14:50.360 of these, like to a man, every 17 and 18 year old in that class was against Nikki Haley

00:14:55.920 because they thought she was too bellicose on the subject of foreign interventions, too

00:15:01.480 much of a neocon.

00:15:02.800 And they resented her thinking, you know, she doesn't have to go, but I might have to

00:15:08.020 go or my buddies might have to go.

00:15:10.340 And they all looked at Trump who wasn't at that debate, but they all knew he was obviously

00:15:14.740 in the race as the antidote to that.

00:15:17.420 And yet here we are, you know, a couple of years later, Emily, and like I haven't checked

00:15:24.420 in to see how Nikki Haley feels about any of this, but I'm going to go ahead and guess

00:15:27.720 she'd be thrilled to see us intervene in Iran.

00:15:31.440 Yes, I think that is a fair guess.

00:15:34.100 And that's where we get into this territory of the risk calculus being that it's possible.

00:15:42.480 And Trump seems to be very convinced that the military, the combination of Hagsas Department

00:15:49.060 of War and Trump's leadership is, you know, buzzing, it's running on all cylinders and

00:15:55.740 is in a shape where he can do precision type operations like what happened in Iran, like

00:16:00.700 what happened in Venezuela.

00:16:01.940 But that confidence, while in both of those cases, I mean, it's I think it's still pretty

00:16:08.300 early to know how either of those shakes out.

00:16:09.940 But at least for the short term, he was largely proven correct.

00:16:13.140 The operations went off without hitches and were successful.

00:16:16.380 Trump seems to really revel in moments like that, and understandably so.

00:16:20.240 That confidence, what worries me is that confidence can get dangerous because you don't want to

00:16:24.340 be in a position where you feel like because two successes have happened and arguably beat

00:16:28.640 the odds that you're going to continue beating the odds around the world.

00:16:32.140 And Iran is a very, very, very complicated country.

00:16:35.400 We don't even need to say that.

00:16:36.720 Everybody knows that it's a very complicated place.

00:16:38.920 It's not in our hemisphere like Venezuela.

00:16:41.180 It doesn't share some of the same cultural positions that the U.S. and Venezuela do, even

00:16:46.520 though that's hard enough as it is.

00:16:48.640 So this I mean, the the risk of another quagmire is even higher at this point.

00:16:54.440 So it's very uncertain.

00:16:56.620 And I think that's that is reflected in why Trump is getting mixed advice from his own cabinet.

00:17:02.640 And by the way, thank God he is.

00:17:03.940 Assuming that's true.

00:17:05.300 Thank God he is, because it would be much more of a disaster if you only had people sounding

00:17:09.220 like Lindsey Graham in there.

00:17:10.980 Mm hmm.

00:17:11.660 Yeah.

00:17:12.120 I mean, what what we don't want to hear is, Mr. President, who's in charge of Iran?

00:17:17.000 Answer me like that.

00:17:18.980 We really don't want to hear that.

00:17:22.320 And like, good, good luck with that.

00:17:24.260 Right.

00:17:24.440 It's like, how do you who takes over if we take out the Ayatollah?

00:17:28.880 Who is going to take over?

00:17:30.700 Here's a little bit more on that.

00:17:32.240 Reza Pahlavi, the son, he's the eldest son of the deposed Shah.

00:17:36.120 This is from Saurabh Amari, who writes for Unheard, where he used to work for a stint.

00:17:40.560 And he he's Iranian.

00:17:42.380 He was born in Iran.

00:17:43.480 And he writes the following.

00:17:44.420 The problem is that Reza Pahlavi doesn't inspire much confidence.

00:17:47.220 Some who have collaborated with him describe a spoiled Dauphin.

00:17:52.260 That's French, I think.

00:17:54.000 Intellectually incurious and indolent.

00:17:57.000 He has made a grave mistake, in my estimation, by appearing a little too eager to be parachuted

00:18:02.320 onto the peacock throne by an Israeli Air Force F-35.

00:18:05.880 In his initial statement on the intervention last June, he didn't express any concern for

00:18:10.300 or sympathy with his compatriots inside.

00:18:13.140 He merely called on them to rise up against the mullahs, a feat that became increasingly

00:18:17.240 implausible as the bombings intensified and images proliferated of dust-covered fathers

00:18:22.040 fleeing with bloodied infants in their arms.

00:18:25.320 Makes sense to me.

00:18:26.880 And here's just an update on the military machinations over there.

00:18:30.860 The New York Times reporting the Navy has three missile-firing destroyers in the Middle East

00:18:35.700 right now, including the Roosevelt, which in recent days has steamed into the Red Sea.

00:18:41.580 The Navy also has at least one missile-firing submarine in the region, Pentagon officials

00:18:45.940 say, though I believe our three aircraft carriers are elsewhere right now.

00:18:49.540 Per Reuters, at 10.30 a.m. today, two European officials said U.S. military intervention appeared

00:18:55.880 likely, with one saying it could come in the next 24 hours.

00:18:59.340 An Israeli official also said it appeared Trump had taken a decision to intervene, though

00:19:05.620 the scope and the timing had yet to be made clear.

00:19:08.860 So I just don't know.

00:19:11.740 Like, in Venezuela, we took out the head of the regime, but the regime is still there.

00:19:15.440 It's Maduro's vice president, who obviously we're controlling by controlling all of the

00:19:19.760 oil and the way she brings money into her country.

00:19:21.940 But she's still in place.

00:19:23.500 So who, like, I don't, I'll be honest, I don't know enough about Iran to know even, like,

00:19:28.560 who'd be there.

00:19:29.480 If we took out the Ayatollah and top mullahs, then what?

00:19:34.340 What's the obvious next move?

00:19:35.500 I don't know.

00:19:36.220 I confess I haven't been studying Iran, like, at the level I apparently should have.

00:19:41.960 Well, no, I mean, I agree.

00:19:42.780 Just from covering it, it seems clear that even the experts have no idea what the next

00:19:46.500 step would be in a regime change here, other than the neoconservative faction who wants

00:19:50.260 Pahlavi and is pushing him so, so hard.

00:19:53.760 I mean, he looks...

00:19:54.300 Why do they want him?

00:19:55.780 I think they are confident they can control him.

00:19:58.780 And that's where, I mean, it's a genuinely open question, because when you mentioned the

00:20:03.520 Roosevelt moving into the Red Sea, it makes me grin a little bit, because it was Kermit

00:20:08.260 Roosevelt who was dispatched with the CIA in the original regime change operation.

00:20:13.000 And one of the things that just makes me so nervous, it's like, we claim all of these

00:20:17.440 victories throughout the Cold War and some of these proxy conflicts, whether it's Nicaragua

00:20:22.060 or Guatemala or, you know, Chile, whatever it is.

00:20:27.660 But Nicaragua right now has a literal Sandinista currently as the president and Daniel Ortega.

00:20:33.400 So in the long term, we are still dealing with the fallout from...

00:20:36.840 If you talk to Iranians, the original regime change operation weighs very heavily on them

00:20:42.200 and on their politics, even though we feel like it's something historical in the United

00:20:46.680 States.

00:20:47.020 We hardly ever think about it, but for them, it weighs very heavily.

00:20:49.860 And so even if you have a regime change and you have someone that you feel like you can

00:20:52.780 control, that's not a guarantee of any long-term success.

00:20:56.400 It's not guaranteed a better outcome for the people of Iran.

00:21:00.700 It doesn't guarantee them any less blood being shed.

00:21:03.700 So it's very, very delicate.

00:21:05.760 And it does...

00:21:06.280 I mean, the Pahlavi stuff is nerve-wracking, just watching it play out, because Steve Witkoff,

00:21:10.920 this was another Axios report from Barack Ravid, it was leaked that Steve Witkoff, one of

00:21:14.860 Trump's top advisors, met with Pahlavi recently, which is quite interesting as well.

00:21:19.560 It was quite interesting as well.

00:21:21.480 But Trump kind of poo-pooed Pahlavi as like, his one comment on him was like, I don't know

00:21:28.440 that he can do it.

00:21:29.340 Like, he seems to be aware, or he declined to meet with him.

00:21:33.080 And that was a good sign, I think, that he's not buying into that rhetoric.

00:21:38.240 I don't know.

00:21:38.920 The other thing about, you know, about Iran is, of course, there too, we've imposed crippling

00:21:45.720 sanctions on them.

00:21:47.440 And like Venezuela, we kind of have been hoping and pushing for this result, to have the regime

00:21:55.060 and its economics collapse.

00:21:57.140 I mean, that's really what these protests are about.

00:21:58.900 The money in Iran has collapsed, and the economy has collapsed.

00:22:07.220 And this was all by design.

00:22:09.180 I mean, we've been pushing for this.

00:22:10.740 So I'm sure we've given a lot of thought and planning to exactly what should come next.

00:22:15.080 And I don't think President Trump, like, the one thing I do believe is President Trump

00:22:18.620 is the last person who wants another forever war.

00:22:21.360 Like, I believe him when he said, I don't want that, and I'm not going to do that.

00:22:24.480 So I don't think he would do pinpoint strikes or anything that led to regime change if he

00:22:30.180 didn't think we could get out of there relatively quickly.

00:22:35.120 I just don't know, because he hasn't said much about it.

00:22:40.160 In Venezuela, he says he's in charge.

00:22:42.740 So he's clearly okay with a long-term us, you know, being in charge kind of thing.

00:22:47.400 This is the Middle East, for God's sake.

00:22:49.740 So it's just such, I mean, talk about quagmire.

00:22:51.900 Um, I don't know.

00:22:55.140 I'm, I'm concerned.

00:22:57.060 Uh, I do, I do, I am very aware of the awfulness of this regime, however.

00:23:01.760 Like, they could not be worse.

00:23:04.880 They abuse people, they torture them, they are definitely shooting their citizens in

00:23:09.400 the street for protesting.

00:23:10.720 Now, there is a question of whether, how many, if any of those have been armed, and if so,

00:23:15.140 by whom.

00:23:15.840 But there's no question that they're as brutal as it gets.

00:23:20.160 And just a couple of years ago, we saw another uprising because they murdered that young girl

00:23:25.500 for not wearing the proper hijab.

00:23:27.260 I mean, that's, that's the regime we're dealing with over in Iran.

00:23:30.100 These are not good guys.

00:23:31.540 Their retort to that is, there are a lot of terrible, terrible rulers out there in the

00:23:35.860 world.

00:23:36.400 And it's really not the United States' job to go around cleaning up those problems.

00:23:41.340 Um, so this is another one of those situations where we have to really be set on what our foreign

00:23:46.240 policy is.

00:23:46.860 It's like, who are we?

00:23:47.980 What is our, you know, Tucker's talking points this time last week was, I guess we've decided

00:23:52.460 to be an empire.

00:23:53.540 And okay, at least we're saying it out loud.

00:23:55.880 But that's dangerous, too.

00:23:57.380 Yeah, and in this case, I mean, the uncertainties, as we've just been discussing, there's just

00:24:05.480 been a lack of humility.

00:24:06.600 If you go back and read the reporting about the Iraq war and just what was happening behind

00:24:12.000 the scenes with Dick Cheney and others, there was a total lack of humility about what would

00:24:16.840 come next.

00:24:17.780 And to your point, the question is, if what is there right now is bad, I think all of us

00:24:22.960 agree that it is, does what come, is what would come next worse?

00:24:28.480 And you have to have some humility about your ability to predict what would come next.

00:24:33.080 And that is just not something we've seen from the foreign policy establishment in the

00:24:36.940 United States for a very, very long time.

00:24:39.660 Now, of course, neither the Shah originally, the Shah was also brutal, but neither was Mosaddegh,

00:24:46.120 like the person that the United States wanted to do business with.

00:24:49.260 And so you get into a situation where you have to say, this is worth the risk because

00:24:55.960 the benefit will outweigh the cost.

00:24:58.680 And if you don't clearly know what the benefit is going to be, because you don't know what

00:25:03.780 comes and steps into a power vacuum, and you are overestimating potentially your ability

00:25:09.240 to control it.

00:25:10.060 I mean, the point you just made about Delce Rodriguez clearly being controlled by Trump

00:25:13.780 right now, true, but it's for now.

00:25:16.000 And who knows what comes next, we're, you know, a week or two into this thing.

00:25:19.780 So that, if we are taking seriously the claims of people like Elliott Abrams and Lindsey Graham,

00:25:28.740 who have supported these operations in the past and have been so confident about what

00:25:32.400 would come next, well, I don't think it's obvious at all that what happened in Iraq

00:25:35.840 after we stayed is better.

00:25:38.560 And that's the same with Afghanistan, same with many other conflicts.

00:25:41.540 Right, and Saddam Hussein was a terrible, terrible man.

00:25:44.480 Right, exactly.

00:25:45.480 Yeah, that's a great point.

00:25:46.880 Right.

00:25:48.120 Here's Yashar Ali, who I definitely trust on his Iran reporting.

00:25:52.360 He's posting the following.

00:25:54.420 Once again, I'm making no predictions, but so many of you need to be reminded that the

00:25:57.520 Islamic Republic of Iran is not like the Hussein regime in Iraq, the Gaddafi regime, or the

00:26:03.000 Assad regime in Syria.

00:26:04.920 It is not based on hereditary succession, nor is it based on one man or even several men.

00:26:09.020 The Islamic Republic, which controls huge chunks of the Iranian economy, is a vast enterprise

00:26:14.920 involving many people who have a vested interest in remaining in power.

00:26:18.800 While the supreme leader enjoys absolute power, authority is exercised through an entrenched

00:26:24.300 system that was deliberately designed after the 1979 deposing of the Shah to survive leadership

00:26:30.060 changes and internal crises.

00:26:31.780 I keep seeing people saying, take the Ayatollah out, or suggesting doing to Ayatollah Khamenei

00:26:38.240 what was done to Maduro.

00:26:40.140 Khamenei is 86 years old.

00:26:41.700 There are many, many, many men who are well protected and who hold enormous power standing

00:26:46.740 behind him.

00:26:47.900 This is a deeply institutionalized and resilient system of power.

00:26:51.800 Again, I make no predictions, but many of your favorite commentators keep framing this

00:26:55.620 as being about one man, and that simply is not true.

00:26:59.820 In one follow-up post he made, the current governing doctrine of the Islamic Republic of

00:27:04.380 Iran, Velayat-i-Faki, forgive the pronunciation, I'm sure it's wrong, which means guardianship

00:27:13.100 of the Islamic jurist is in its final years.

00:27:16.180 I have little doubt about that.

00:27:17.360 That said, I strongly suspect, and some other Iran watchers do as well, that what follows

00:27:22.980 will likely be a system more closely resembling Pakistan's model, a state in which former

00:27:29.080 formal civilian institutions exist, but real power is concentrated in a powerful military

00:27:35.160 intelligence deep state, a true deep state, not what people imagine here, rooted in the

00:27:41.000 security services, intel apparatus, and economic networks that operate largely outside public

00:27:46.040 accountability.

00:27:47.580 He says all of that would mean that coercive power would remain firmly entrenched within

00:27:51.960 the state's military and intel institutions, preserving authoritarian control through different

00:27:56.780 means.

00:27:57.620 Again, underscoring that he's not making firm predictions.

00:28:00.580 He says anyone who does, by the way, has no idea what they're talking about.

00:28:03.700 Boy, that does a great job of explaining, like, you know, back when I was a kid in the 70s,

00:28:09.460 Emily, they used to show this program, which you've probably heard of, called Deal or No Deal.

00:28:14.400 And the guy would come out, and there'd be three doors, and you'd get a big prize,

00:28:18.560 he'd give you something to bargain with that you didn't have when you showed up, and then

00:28:22.140 he'd show you, like, you have door one, two, and three, and maybe he'd open one door, and

00:28:27.340 it would be, like, a new bedroom set.

00:28:29.760 And you could keep the bedroom set plus the little prize you had in your pocket, or you

00:28:34.760 could go for what was behind door number two or door number three, and sometimes it would

00:28:37.980 be just a complete boob, and other times it would be a new car, and it would be totally

00:28:43.240 sick, and what I'm gleaning is we have no idea what's behind door number one, two, or

00:28:48.880 three, but so far, like, what I'm seeing, neither one, neither option seems like the Lamborghini.

00:28:55.240 Right, and the one thing, as Yashar puts it there, that just about everybody who's honest

00:28:59.660 should agree on is that we do not know.

00:29:02.760 We don't know.

00:29:04.160 And anybody who is lacking the humility to admit that, I think you should be treating

00:29:09.420 them with suspicion, because they probably have been wrong in the past, time and again.

00:29:14.320 The only thing that we can know right now is that the situation is obviously deeply uncertain,

00:29:20.100 and that should be frightening, because we've gone into a whole lot of situations in the

00:29:25.500 last 50 years, but even just the last 20 years, pretty confident that we had everything

00:29:30.000 under control, and then everything ends up spiraling exactly out of control.

00:29:35.380 So, it's tough, because nobody wants to see what happens to the people of Iran.

00:29:41.600 One of the points that Yashar made there is it's not just about one man.

00:29:45.480 It's the same thing in a place like Cuba, or actually in a place like Venezuela.

00:29:49.100 It's not just about Maduro.

00:29:50.300 It's not just about Castro, or who's in charge of Cuba right now, or who's in charge of Iran

00:29:54.640 right now.

00:29:55.220 It's about the fact that they still have supporters also inside of the country, and even the people

00:29:59.560 who don't support them don't necessarily still support the U.S. either.

00:30:03.720 It's not as though you have people on the streets of Iran saying, turn us into Manhattan.

00:30:09.340 Maybe some of them would love that.

00:30:10.480 Maybe some people would like to get out of Iran and go to Manhattan, but that's not the

00:30:14.280 sentiment that is animating these protests universally, and to act like it is, again,

00:30:20.860 anybody who's doing that should be treated with deep suspicion.

00:30:23.620 Well, I think the problem for us in analyzing this as Americans is we have freedom in our

00:30:27.840 blood.

00:30:28.320 We really do.

00:30:29.020 I mean, it's in our DNA, and so we're like, fuck yeah, let's do it.

00:30:33.780 They want to be free, and we want to help them.

00:30:36.240 We're the United States of America.

00:30:38.120 Fucking A.

00:30:38.980 Sorry, but I think that that's how most of us feel in our hearts, and Glenn, our mutual

00:30:45.480 friend Glenn Greenwald, was making the point because he's very, very skeptical of all of

00:30:49.780 these foreign interventions, and he was making the point that he was a little sharper on it,

00:30:55.120 but basically, if you believe that the reason we're intervening in places like Venezuela or

00:30:59.780 Iran is because our government is just pro-democracy and just really wants to help these people

00:31:05.580 who want democracy in Iran, he's got a bridge to sell you.

00:31:09.140 You know, it's about, for example, the oil in a place like Venezuela and possibly in Iran,

00:31:13.760 too, or about backing a strong ally, Israel, in some places in the Middle East.

00:31:19.180 So, you know, his urging is to always consider the alternate agenda that the government is

00:31:24.920 not laying on the line with us while it tries to, like, tap our serotonin by wrapping itself

00:31:31.500 in the flag and being like, America, our military, go, because I think we're all very susceptible

00:31:38.080 to that.

00:31:38.740 You know, it's only now, truly, as I've said after the Venezuela thing in my career, that

00:31:42.360 I've finally been through enough of these that I'm like, let's slow our roll.

00:31:48.300 I don't want that serotonin receptor tapped.

00:31:52.180 I want to analyze this much more soberly, taking into account what the risks are, the

00:31:57.060 way I'm sure President Trump is doing.

00:31:59.280 Yeah, this is why we keep our commie friends like Glenn around.

00:32:02.040 Sometimes we have to take him seriously.

00:32:06.060 But you also have to listen to Mark Thiessen of AEI, who I love and adore, and made a star

00:32:10.360 on Fox News, who's on totally the other side.

00:32:13.080 Yeah, and I think there are some people who are frustrated that others are listening to

00:32:17.500 both, like maybe that people like you and I are listening to both and taking this seriously.

00:32:21.580 And I think part of the reason is that there's less control, like the gatekeepers obviously

00:32:25.040 have so much less control.

00:32:26.920 You were talking about Fox News last week, and it is sort of remarkable to now have the

00:32:31.680 contrast between new media and old media as it's happening, because you just get the

00:32:37.740 split screen.

00:32:38.420 And the good news about new independent media is that there is this kind of cacophony of

00:32:45.180 different opinions and people who, you know, if you respect your audience, you know they're

00:32:49.060 smart enough.

00:32:50.240 They're just as smart, if not smarter, than most of us.

00:32:52.960 They can make up their minds about what's happening on their own if you present all of

00:32:57.660 the different viewpoints fairly.

00:32:59.200 And I think one of the things happening right now is that people are just so able to see

00:33:04.260 through the propaganda and the spin.

00:33:07.040 That said, well-intentioned people are still swayed by propaganda and spin because there

00:33:12.260 are spin doctors within the foreign policy establishment who are experts at this, and

00:33:16.960 also in other foreign countries that are trying to exploit the American people and prey on the

00:33:21.040 American people and exploit the goodwill towards freedom and democracy that Americans genuinely

00:33:26.440 have.

00:33:27.140 And so you see, though, more easily the machinations of that now.

00:33:31.220 And I kind of think that's what's making a difference.

00:33:33.340 And that's why we've seen Trump himself.

00:33:35.300 Again, he pushed back on de Coppola's thousands and thousands number last night, which was

00:33:39.700 very interesting on CBS and has kind of dismissed Pallavi.

00:33:45.140 So there's interesting, interesting stuff happening right now.

00:33:48.280 It's good.

00:33:49.000 It's good.

00:33:49.320 He's got the other side in his ear.

00:33:51.140 And I do believe President Trump will make a judicious decision.

00:33:54.640 I don't think he's a hothead when it comes to this.

00:33:57.020 He really, really takes pride in ending these wars.

00:34:00.840 And it's not all about the Nobel Peace Prize.

00:34:02.500 Yes, he's Trump.

00:34:03.440 So he wants the Nobel Peace Prize.

00:34:04.800 OK, like we all know that's part of his character makeup.

00:34:07.560 But I think he genuinely abhors war and the random killing of people, the unnecessary taking

00:34:14.660 of lives.

00:34:15.340 And I don't think he's going to do that in Iran or elsewhere if he doesn't think it

00:34:20.020 really inures to the benefit of the United States.

00:34:22.480 I genuinely believe that.

00:34:24.000 But I would love an explanation.

00:34:25.240 You know, I really I hope it's better and more fulsome than we got after Venezuela, which

00:34:31.000 really just he never really fully explained it.

00:34:33.720 It was like the explanation kept changing.

00:34:36.400 You know, first it was like the democracy thing.

00:34:38.140 And then it was like the oil, which he was kind of explicit about.

00:34:42.160 And it kind of kept moving.

00:34:43.880 Then it was they tried to sell it as like a legal operation, which was really just the

00:34:47.500 hook they they used to be able to do it without congressional approval.

00:34:51.440 Anyway, I this is too scary to do without like a full explanation of what our plan is,

00:34:57.980 what our objectives are, why we're going to do this.

00:35:01.220 You know, because, again, none of this was run on.

00:35:03.720 You know, President Trump did not run on intervening in a Middle Eastern country like Iran.

00:35:10.580 And, you know, there's going to be a lot of hesitancy about that one here.

00:35:16.980 This just in from The New York Post, Iran issued a sickening threat against President

00:35:20.360 Trump Wednesday, broadcasting a picture of the commander in chief during the 2024 Butler

00:35:25.500 rally assassination attempt with the words this time it will not miss the target.

00:35:31.540 The ominous warning was aired on Iranian state run TV.

00:35:34.960 It marks Tehran's most direct threat yet against Trump, following his repeated threats that

00:35:41.380 the U.S. will strike the country if it continues its brutal crackdown on anti-government protesters.

00:35:47.440 Do they have a death wish?

00:35:48.820 Like, why would they do that?

00:35:50.060 I like my first thought is like, did they actually do that?

00:35:53.800 Because that seems like the dumbest, most you're not allowed to use the word retarded,

00:35:59.240 but that's the word that comes to mind thing that you could possibly do in the position

00:36:03.640 that Iran is in.

00:36:05.080 What are your thoughts on that?

00:36:06.780 Well, similar to yours in that everyone now remembers, there were there were reports that

00:36:12.460 Iran around the time of the attempted assassination in Butler had also had a foiled assassination

00:36:18.640 plot against Donald Trump.

00:36:21.360 So if that's coming from Iran, directly from government controlled entities in Iran right

00:36:28.140 now, I actually think that raises...

00:36:29.240 Just to be clear, it was reported by Agence France-Presse, AFP.

00:36:33.320 So it sounds like French media is reporting that it did air on Iranian state run TV.

00:36:38.640 I mean, that could be a throwaway line or that could be genuinely worth digging into because

00:36:46.560 of the proximity between those two foiled assassination attempts.

00:36:51.000 Well, the Butler one wasn't exactly foiled.

00:36:53.100 I don't want to be giving American intel or security too much credit there.

00:36:56.380 But that's actually interesting just as I'm hearing it.

00:37:00.460 But if they really are pushing that, like you said, and they want to stay in power, boy,

00:37:09.820 they're putting, of course, their own people in more danger, as we know.

00:37:13.820 And not that that's particularly a red line for them, but they're putting their own people

00:37:18.260 in more danger.

00:37:18.900 They're putting themselves in more danger because, Megan, to your point, Trump does not

00:37:23.940 like looking weak.

00:37:25.580 And I think even people who despise Donald Trump should think about how he's approaching

00:37:31.360 this because one of the things he studied closely since the very beginning is how the

00:37:36.160 Iraq war and the Afghanistan war went wrong for the Bush administration, for the Obama

00:37:42.340 administration.

00:37:43.280 He put himself on the other side of that.

00:37:45.600 And he does not want his legacy to be tainted by forever wars, especially after campaigning

00:37:52.140 against them.

00:37:53.400 So he's not going to want a long entanglement by any means.

00:37:58.160 And so that, I think, opens up another like this.

00:38:01.300 This is Trump does not want to look like he's being taunted by the by the regime in Iran and

00:38:07.220 then has absolutely no response.

00:38:08.860 So hopefully remember, remember the report before it broke after Venezuela.

00:38:13.040 But there was a report that and then Trump actually himself commented on it, that he was

00:38:18.660 very annoyed by Nicolas Maduro's dancing, like, yeah, kind of making fun of Trump and kind

00:38:25.620 of like daring him to come get me.

00:38:27.480 And then, you know, next thing you know, we did in this crazy military operation that had

00:38:33.940 all sorts of tools, according to what I read on the interwebs that people didn't know we

00:38:39.520 had.

00:38:39.980 Speaking of kinetic operations that don't necessarily involve a bomb.

00:38:44.000 Um, and Nicolas Maduro is now sitting behind bars in New York City.

00:38:48.500 So Trump can be taunted into doing something he otherwise kind of wants to do anyway.

00:38:53.960 I don't think like they could get him like you can't taunt him into like bombing London.

00:38:57.760 But, you know, these terrible leaders who deserve to go and like he's on the fence, uh, they

00:39:03.960 should keep their their damn mouths shut.

00:39:06.060 Uh, as, as, uh, Will Smith, so, so beautifully put it, keep our damn name out your damn mouth

00:39:15.200 or however he said it.

00:39:16.500 Keep our president's name out of your damn mouth.

00:39:18.740 Out your damn mouth.

00:39:20.640 Oh, okay.

00:39:21.200 Let's keep going.

00:39:22.000 I had told Chris Rock.

00:39:23.220 Well, while we wait to find out whether we're in another war, um, let's move on to Minneapolis,

00:39:28.800 uh, because the developments in Iran are paused for now.

00:39:31.920 We don't have new news coming in.

00:39:33.140 But Minneapolis, however, I do have a news headline for you today.

00:39:37.340 Um, listen to this one.

00:39:39.120 Stand by.

00:39:39.520 Let me get back my, um, past my, my, uh, oh no, it's, it's, I think it's right here.

00:39:45.420 Oh yeah, here it is.

00:39:46.940 Guess, guess who hired a lawyer?

00:39:50.360 Renee Good's partner.

00:39:52.000 Oh, and by the way, Julie Kelly reporting that they're not married, that this was just

00:39:55.860 her, her partner, her, her lover.

00:39:59.580 Uh, uh, and that they've, they've now, she and the immediate family have hired the same

00:40:07.460 lawyer who represented the George Floyd family.

00:40:12.180 Uh, and that they're, it's a Chicago-based law firm, Romanucci and Blandin, never heard

00:40:17.680 of them.

00:40:17.920 And I practiced law in Chicago for a while.

00:40:19.420 Uh, their, their statement is what happened to Renee is wrong contrary to establish policing

00:40:24.580 practices and procedures and should never happen in today's America.

00:40:28.940 It said Renee Good's family wants to honor her life with progress toward a kinder and

00:40:32.960 more civil America.

00:40:33.680 They do not want her used as a political pawn, but rather as an agent of peace for all.

00:40:38.500 Well, that's not why you hire this civil rights firm.

00:40:42.840 You hire them to sue and get what the family of George Floyd's, uh, George Floyd got, which

00:40:49.300 was a $27 million settlement.

00:40:51.660 That's why you hire them.

00:40:52.960 So what's happening now is they're lawyering up and they're clearly going to sue the feds,

00:40:58.180 uh, and maybe the state.

00:40:59.680 I don't know.

00:41:00.100 They'll find some ways and try to get some big payday for the lover who should be under

00:41:06.460 arrest.

00:41:06.960 She should be in handcuffs.

00:41:09.360 Um, and then there was news today that some six attorneys, I believe they're U S attorneys,

00:41:16.300 federal attorneys have quit in the state of Minnesota because they're angry that we're

00:41:23.280 not going after the officer.

00:41:25.480 And we are apparently ordering an investigation into the group that is training Renee good and

00:41:32.080 her lover and others on how to interfere with ice operations.

00:41:36.040 So these virtuous federal prosecutors decided to quit in a fit because they're mad.

00:41:44.140 They don't want to look into Renee.

00:41:50.440 Look into the ice agent who in self-defense shot her, uh, while she was trying to run him

00:41:57.020 over.

00:41:57.260 So that's where we are today.

00:41:58.640 Your thoughts on how that's going to play out.

00:42:00.500 Are the remaining career bureaucrats across the administrative state, just waiting for

00:42:06.500 moments like this, where they can dramatically quit and leak it to the media?

00:42:10.880 Like, is that why they're still there?

00:42:12.500 Because I can't imagine why somebody who would quit over this was still at the department

00:42:18.100 of justice after everything that's transpired in the last year.

00:42:22.640 Like that's, it's deeply weird to me that they were even still in that position.

00:42:26.260 And I genuinely wonder if some of them stay for the opportunity to pull off a stunt like this

00:42:31.500 one.

00:42:31.840 Uh, and you know, the thing that makes me so, so sad is that now that we're about a week

00:42:39.060 into this, does anybody feel safer?

00:42:42.400 Does anybody feel like the, the country that either protesters or ice officers or American

00:42:48.280 citizens who have literal convicted criminals in their cities because of the Biden administration

00:42:53.440 and because of the sanctuary laws from their mayors and their democratic governors?

00:42:57.740 Like, do they think that, has anyone gotten safer in the last week?

00:43:01.960 Absolutely not.

00:43:03.240 Uh, so it's just like, it's such a mess.

00:43:05.920 And it's one of those stories that it feels like it just makes me depressed about the state

00:43:10.780 of everything, basically.

00:43:12.180 Yeah.

00:43:12.920 Um, it's also breaking now that the ice agent who fatally shot Renee Good has, he suffered

00:43:19.100 internal bleeding to the torso following the incident, according to two U.S.

00:43:23.380 officials briefed on his medical condition.

00:43:25.180 This is a CBS news report.

00:43:26.860 Um, that would make sense because when you get hit by a car, bad things can happen to

00:43:31.800 you inside your body and out.

00:43:33.620 And, um, it just, I was reliably told by Mayor Jacob Fry that he skipped, he skipped away,

00:43:39.560 uh, from the incident and was totally fine.

00:43:42.200 I mean, be careful what you say out there, Mayor Fry, because you don't know, you really

00:43:46.820 don't know what's actually happened.

00:43:48.040 I think it just played well for his narrative to say that kind of thing without actually checking

00:43:52.480 to find out this officer has been through a lot, uh, since last June when he got dragged

00:43:56.800 33 stitches back out on the streets.

00:43:59.280 Then this incident, he's under extreme emotional duress right now.

00:44:03.980 According to, uh, Tom Holman, who's spoken with him, who said he just, he feels awful and

00:44:08.260 he's scared too, because they're threatening him.

00:44:10.100 They're threatening his life.

00:44:10.980 And these loons are everywhere, Emily.

00:44:13.240 I mean, the, the loon, the loon watch is really, I don't even know where to begin.

00:44:17.660 There's so many crazy things, but why don't we start with the crazy violent ones?

00:44:21.840 Okay.

00:44:22.200 Here's, let's just go through a few of them.

00:44:24.140 Um, we can do three and four, one right after the other.

00:44:29.160 Every single life is valuable.

00:44:31.100 I mean, I guess, except for, for ISIS, like kill ICE agents, but, um, and, and Denver police

00:44:37.340 department, but, um, aside from that, we have to humanize each other.

00:44:40.420 We have to care for each other.

00:44:41.540 That, that woman was a mother.

00:44:43.860 She was a legal observer.

00:44:46.500 Fuck everything that's going on.

00:44:48.280 We have to turn shit upside down.

00:44:50.120 See, I've been fully activated.

00:44:51.740 I'm going to head back East.

00:44:55.340 We need to go to DC.

00:44:58.080 Shit needs to get done.

00:44:59.400 Um, here's the thing that I need for protesters and everyone to start realizing.

00:45:05.520 Okay.

00:45:05.800 We're at war.

00:45:07.100 The protests are over.

00:45:09.280 There's no more protesting.

00:45:11.580 This is combat now.

00:45:13.120 So when I come onto the field, I'm not screaming at people that are going to assault me or pepper

00:45:24.380 spray me like, no, this is combat.

00:45:26.880 I'm going to engage them in combat.

00:45:29.700 Because we have shit that needs to be done.

00:45:34.300 This is how we get shit done.

00:45:36.720 Cool.

00:45:37.140 You'll be going to prison.

00:45:38.020 And I need for you to get shields and swords.

00:45:41.520 Swords?

00:45:42.180 Of the pupil kind.

00:45:43.760 Like, I need for you to wake the fuck up.

00:45:45.920 We're at war.

00:45:47.100 It's wartime.

00:45:48.500 It's time to go to war.

00:45:49.640 You know how your military father or your military friends were always telling you freedom isn't

00:45:56.160 free?

00:45:56.480 Like, you're about to find out.

00:45:58.640 Like, you're about to get it.

00:46:00.060 Is it like Middle Ages wartime?

00:46:03.580 Is it Braveheart?

00:46:04.800 Because the sword seems dramatic, Emily.

00:46:08.140 You know, and not particularly effective.

00:46:11.320 Not only dramatic, but not particularly effective when you have armed.

00:46:15.560 Yeah.

00:46:16.060 He's got a cloak on.

00:46:17.680 Yeah.

00:46:18.800 He's ready.

00:46:19.860 Armor.

00:46:21.360 Yes.

00:46:21.720 I mean, it's ridiculous.

00:46:22.160 You're like, you, I'm sorry.

00:46:23.840 I, I, the whole time I watch these videos, I, I go between two questions.

00:46:28.760 My first instinct is genuinely to laugh at them because they sound so absurd.

00:46:32.680 And 99% of them are from women who are just like, yeah, I'm going to the range.

00:46:37.800 And then you see like the same women, like get pulled over, like, please don't arrest

00:46:41.940 me.

00:46:42.120 Please don't arrest me.

00:46:42.920 Like, oh, wait, what happened to your bravado?

00:46:45.180 But then I have the other side, which is like, they, they are lunatics.

00:46:49.460 They killed Charlie.

00:46:50.740 Charlie, they killed Luigi Mangione.

00:46:53.640 Sorry, he's the killer.

00:46:54.760 They killed, uh, Brian Thompson, the CEO of UnitedHealthcare.

00:46:58.200 They laughed at Charlie's death.

00:46:59.560 Like these are violent lunatics over on the far left.

00:47:03.420 And so I don't want to laugh all the way into watching another innocent get killed, like

00:47:08.760 an innocent conservative or an ICE agent, or somebody who's just trying to do their job.

00:47:12.240 So do we, do we take these people seriously or do we just enjoy mocking them or both?

00:47:17.460 Well, I mean, nor should the left, by the way, completely ignore this either, because I

00:47:22.260 actually think the Dallas incident that everybody just completely forgets about, but that happened

00:47:26.920 was that October, uh, where there was a shooting at an ICE detention facility and who ended up

00:47:35.720 getting hurt, migrants, person was ostensibly trying to hit ICE and ended up hitting migrants.

00:47:42.040 Because what's happening is just the fomentation of chaos and, and violence.

00:47:46.340 When you, if you're taking people like that seriously, uh, and there are some people doing

00:47:51.680 training for like ice watchers and whatever, uh, who are saying you, you have to comply.

00:47:56.960 The point of civil disobedience is that you get arrested.

00:47:59.480 So comply and get arrested or whatever.

00:48:02.320 But if you start fomenting this type of danger and violence, it doesn't, it's not going to

00:48:07.540 stop Donald Trump from enforcing a deportation strategy.

00:48:11.540 Like that's, that is not going to stop.

00:48:13.680 And by the way, the other thing that I think about when I listen to those people, and I've

00:48:16.800 been saying this to some of my friends on the left, uh, which is because I agree with

00:48:20.740 them and I think you and I disagree with us, Megan on like masks and that sort of thing.

00:48:24.240 But yeah, I re like, it just drives me insane that they're the saying peace for, you know,

00:48:31.180 those girls who were in Denver talking about, you know, we have to just treat people with

00:48:35.520 humanity and whatever.

00:48:36.420 It's like, what about someone like Lake and Riley or Jocelyn and Gray, who, how about the

00:48:42.300 humanity of people who have been victimized by the convicted criminals, the convicted criminals

00:48:47.560 who entered our country and are being protected in our country by sanctuary laws.

00:48:52.780 Um, there are people who are like, they have actual victims and their victims are U S citizens.

00:48:57.860 And so to act like ice needs to be stopped at every single point, literally that is not

00:49:04.780 making anybody safer whatsoever.

00:49:06.700 You have to support some level of deportation.

00:49:10.960 And honestly, the left right now supports, they don't, they say they do, but I want to know

00:49:14.720 what they actually think should happen that is feasible.

00:49:17.580 And they don't have an answer for that.

00:49:19.640 Here's one example of one of the tough talkers out there, ice watchers, when she actually gets

00:49:24.040 pulled over by an ice agent and it devolves to, I'm just a mom.

00:49:29.020 A lot of, you are just, you turn around and get out of here.

00:49:40.280 Wow.

00:49:40.620 Simon did not have a bowl of Chinese food blocking out of Covid, these are the, the

00:49:59.000 here you go slow down yes yes yes it's unbelievable right but in yet totally believable

00:50:05.500 totally believable totally believable and again like people are just being hyped up into this

00:50:12.920 position where they think it's heroic and they're you know the they're standing in front of the tank

00:50:19.180 in Tiananmen Square uh and they totally fold and so it's just people aren't thinking this through

00:50:27.060 and I think that's part of the reason this is making uh me nervous as well about what could

00:50:31.480 come in the future because uh whipping people up into a frenzy I worry that we end up seeing more

00:50:36.860 of the Dallas situations which by the way totally fell out of the news yeah and not just that you

00:50:41.960 know the one thing I've learned from security professionals in my own life is usually the

00:50:48.080 person who's going to actually take a shot at you doesn't write a threat doesn't go on Instagram and

00:50:52.540 say I'm going to do this you know i.e. Tyler Robinson it's the ones who don't do that they have to

00:50:56.960 worry about but they when the explicit threats rise the threats behind the scene are probably

00:51:01.480 rising too so like that's what I worry about the ones who aren't posting and what they're planning

00:51:06.100 against our ICE agents and others stand by we're going to take a quick break and we're back with

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00:53:33.080 subscribe after party Emily dot com all right Emily so CBS evening news is officially launched

00:53:40.580 with its new anchor Topra Dokopoul that's what I call him because he's crying and constantly trying

00:53:48.120 to therapize us through the news Tony Markle I I've I figured it out so like Barry is she's an out

00:53:57.460 lesbian and she's in a marriage to another woman I knew this is where you were going I'm saying this

00:54:04.280 is a lesbian's idea of what women want like he's sweet he's soft like this is what this is gonna sell

00:54:10.540 no no no no no no no no we we want someone with balls with a spine someone who will protect us

00:54:17.380 somebody who like when the burglar comes will be the first out the door they won't be hiding behind us

00:54:24.080 like that as we call it in my family first defender whenever Doug and I go on the road whether it's like

00:54:29.720 a hotel or like a rental he he knows he has to be first defender and he's perfectly fine in that role

00:54:34.900 like Tony Topra Dokopoul is not first defender it's very clear and already it's failing I'll give you

00:54:42.460 the numbers in a second but first I just want to play you a soundbite of him trying to do the news

00:54:47.340 the other night I'm looking for it on my side shift do you have this the Miami one yeah oh it's

00:54:52.360 sat one okay yeah listen to this sat one this is his Tuesday night sign off we are not even two weeks

00:55:00.540 now into the new year and it feels like a decade has passed the U.S. captured Venezuela's former

00:55:04.980 president Nicolas Maduro reports are that as many as 12,000 protesters have been killed by Iran's

00:55:10.460 government as Trump weighs intervention anti-ice protesters have taken to the streets of Minneapolis

00:55:15.640 after the shooting death of Renee Nicole Good and tonight we walked into not one but two exclusive

00:55:21.740 news making conversations the CEO of General Motors on the future of American-made cars and the president

00:55:28.180 of the United States Donald J Trump on the questions that matter most you may not agree with everything

00:55:34.260 you hear on this broadcast but we trust you to listen and we trust you to decide for yourself

00:55:39.520 oh my god the patronization he's giving Stewart smiley vibes I we're good enough we're smart enough

00:55:48.880 and gosh darn it people like us I cannot get over how he continues to patronize the audience like

00:55:55.680 oh you know what you you may not agree with us on everything but that's okay you don't have to

00:56:04.020 we're gonna make sure you have the just fucking deliver the news you have 19 minutes of content

00:56:09.500 get up and down on the news and stop trying to handhold your audience like there are a bunch of

00:56:15.320 babies who need you to stroke them through every update and the summary of the at the end of all the

00:56:21.100 big stories that he's handling we walked right into okay he got a stand-up passing interview with

00:56:26.700 Donald Trump who which literally everybody in news gets every day who is on Air Force One he's trying

00:56:31.460 to spin it as some big get and this Emily is why the ratings are down since he took over year over

00:56:38.220 year they are down 23 percent from the same time last year in both the overall number and in the key

00:56:45.520 advertising demo of 25 to 50 or four-year-olds so they have lost one quarter of their audience since

00:56:53.140 launching with Topra and he's also down from the debut of the previous hosts John Dickerson and Maurice

00:57:00.220 Dubois who averaged much higher numbers than he did so it's not going well over at CBS and if they

00:57:06.660 were smart they would listen to yours truly and other critics about the many many things they're

00:57:12.180 doing wrong but I'm kind of also not rooting for them to listen because it's fun to watch it's getting

00:57:19.060 increasingly fun to watch now also in addition to those numbers so NBC and ABC were also down year over

00:57:27.960 year but by nine percent CBS is down 23 percent as you just mentioned so when your competitors you

00:57:35.540 are putting all of this money into a splashy advertising debut and campaign and you're actually

00:57:42.020 down double digits more than your competitors year over year I mean we all know the medium of nightly

00:57:48.500 news is dying and what we're seeing at CBS is not a digital first pivot and I mean the kind of grand

00:57:55.780 theory of why this is failing is that everybody wants their news to be delivered with authenticity

00:58:01.560 transparency they kind of want to know where people are coming from when they give them the news to

00:58:06.200 treat them like adults and say you're you're smart enough to figure this out on your own I don't need

00:58:10.800 to handhold you I don't need to remind you of every story that was covered in the last week like what the

00:58:16.240 hell was he doing there they're trying to like add they're trying to punctuate their coverage with this

00:58:22.220 profundity with their like musings from Manhattan or from their newsroom on what's happening I don't

00:58:29.260 care that they were out on the road that doesn't really make much of a difference they're all from

00:58:32.720 they all live in the same you know 10 square miles and make roughly the same amount of money

00:58:36.760 and they're telling the American people things are really tense right now yes that's why we're

00:58:42.720 watching your show so that you use your breath telling us actually what's happening it's off Emily he

00:58:48.220 thinks he's in podcast landia it's and it's different you know I was very different doing

00:58:53.500 the Kelly file than I am doing this show and certainly doing an evening news show the attempt

00:58:58.900 to Oprah-fy us is very off it does not work and it hell no will not work on CBS which is where like

00:59:09.600 the most serious somber news consumers go for their news they do not want Topra he's got a man up and

00:59:18.840 stop doing this I'm sorry but Barry has zero television experience zero it's called broadcast news for a

00:59:28.060 reason the broadcast piece of it matters and she doesn't know what she's doing it shows the New York

00:59:35.180 Times just did an in-depth piece on her that reports her mission is and I quote we need to be

00:59:42.560 the news that's her new mandate over at CBS that's every reporter's worst nightmare that's that now it

00:59:50.400 makes sense why Topra is tweeting out pictures of himself or videos crying uncontrollably over the

00:59:56.360 fact that he didn't get to grow up in Miami he wanted to be the news that that's every reporter's

01:00:02.580 worst nightmare for you to turn into the news story the news is the news be respectful of the

01:00:07.560 audience at home and stop with the damn navel gazing me me me me me me me is sad about Miami me is

01:00:17.000 exhausted from all the news I've had to deliver me will hold your hand and and get you through this

01:00:23.100 news by by telling you what the facts are me understands you can hear both sides stop it's non-stop

01:00:30.720 opinion and it's it's egocentric and but it's not even interesting opinion I mean I think that's

01:00:37.600 where they're going like dramatically wrong is that he nobody believes that Tony de Coppola is just this

01:00:43.180 guy who has the voice of God and can tell you what's important and what's not and just it's not

01:00:48.980 infected by his own personal biases or anything like that he's pretending though that's the problem

01:00:53.800 and this is what all the other networks do wrong too is that they're pretending that they still are able

01:00:59.140 to just call balls and strikes from a neutral perspective and that they're not bringing all

01:01:03.220 their own worldviews and baggage to the situation so it's not like it's an easy transition to make

01:01:08.400 but I think the best example I always use this example is like how is Stephen Colbert how was he

01:01:14.180 during Trump's first administration the most successful guy in late night news despite being

01:01:19.140 the late night comedy despite being the most partisan by far the most alienating the most partisan the least

01:01:25.900 funny again by far it's the opposite of what Johnny Carson did because Johnny Carson was political just

01:01:31.240 not partisan you didn't know where he came down but he didn't shy away from politics and the answer is

01:01:36.040 that in order to be successful when they're so you know you're trying to get 3 million instead of 12

01:01:40.260 million people to watch is you have to like you have to find a niche audience and the niche audience

01:01:46.920 is not mushy middle bullshit that's lying to viewers and pretending that it's not coming from a

01:01:53.260 perspective and that's dead that but they're trying to do both of those things and you're trying to do

01:01:58.860 new media with this old media veneer it's more than a veneer yeah no it won't it definitely won't

01:02:05.300 it cannot happen I mean what people want in this lane over here is authenticity and what they want

01:02:10.420 over there is just hard news done in 19 minutes and goodbye they don't care about you the anchor they

01:02:14.840 really don't you need to be as small a factor in the news delivery as humanly possible he's just

01:02:19.820 doing it wrong for evening news especially on CBS and this is apparently at the direction of his boss

01:02:26.660 who says we need to be the news and according to the New York Times the quote that she also said was

01:02:32.020 let's make sure every single night has something with viral potential all I could think of was the

01:02:37.620 girl in um Jumanji who's like oh my god it's insane that we're not filming this like what that you

01:02:45.260 want to go just do the news the news is the star which she doesn't understand because she's not been

01:02:52.660 in news very long and she's had zero experience in broadcast news and he's going along with it they

01:02:57.440 report that she has been deeply frustrated by the negative reaction to her decisions and has blamed

01:03:02.960 subordinates for not staunching the criticism that's not going to go well either the buck stops with you

01:03:10.500 as the network executive and if you make yourself the news be prepared to be deeply frustrated with

01:03:16.640 how you are covered because what you'll soon find out is that nobody nobody who writes about the news

01:03:22.080 is rooting for you they're just not that's the way news is we're all hardest on one another um it's sad

01:03:28.320 but it's true and look she put herself out there and decided to make herself the headlines this is what

01:03:32.540 comes with that okay let's keep going because there's a very interesting update in the um Timothy Busfield

01:03:38.820 Melissa Gilbert situation so he's a famed actor and director and she's famous from her time on

01:03:45.860 Little House on the Prairie and went on to do some directing too and he's been on the lam he was an

01:03:51.640 warrant for his arrest was issued on Friday out of New Mexico for allegedly molesting two seven-year-old

01:03:57.000 boys we went through it in detail in our Monday show so that was issued on Friday he didn't turn

01:04:02.000 himself in Saturday he didn't turn himself in Sunday he didn't turn himself in Monday he didn't turn

01:04:07.120 himself in all day yesterday he didn't turn himself in I mean it's crazy and it was to the

01:04:12.660 point where a team of agents do we have that video you guys went to his house in upstate New York that

01:04:19.880 he shares with Melissa Gilbert with a battering ram and the Daily Mail this is the guy for listening

01:04:25.100 audience battering open his front door I there are numerous agents on site numerous trucks on site

01:04:30.460 they've got the flak helmets on they've got the long guns they broke open the door of his home going

01:04:37.060 in looking for him so shit's getting real they're starting to take it very seriously now they were not

01:04:42.860 sitting around waiting for Timothy Busfield to go in on child molestation charges and apparently an hour

01:04:50.180 prior to that he did finally show up in New Mexico and turned himself in day five after the arrest warrant

01:04:57.620 was issued and then issued this on camera video watch this hi everybody it's Tim um I'm sure most of you

01:05:09.440 know uh that are watching this that I was uh ordered to come to Albuquerque I'm here now uh I got the call

01:05:17.400 Friday night I had to get a lawyer Saturday I got in a car we drove 2,000 miles to Albuquerque

01:05:22.540 I'm gonna confront these lies they're horrible they're all lies and I did not do anything to

01:05:29.900 those little boys uh and I'm I'm gonna fight it I'm gonna fight it with a great team uh and I'm gonna

01:05:37.040 be exonerated I know I am because this is all so wrong and all lies so hang in there uh and hopefully

01:05:44.380 I'm out real soon uh and and back back to work and I love everybody for supporting me thank you

01:05:51.720 okay no explanation other than I had to drive 2,000 miles to Albuquerque no you you call you call

01:05:59.680 and you say I'm ready to surrender myself where would you like me to do it clearly they did not

01:06:04.140 know where he was or what he was doing or we would not have seen a battering ram being used on his upstate

01:06:11.060 New York property within an hour of him turning himself in in New Mexico he clearly had not been

01:06:15.800 in communication with anybody we don't know where he was what he was doing you do not need to drive

01:06:21.040 2,000 miles to Albuquerque there are these magical things called planes and they'll get you right there

01:06:26.400 when a warrant is out for your arrest had to get a lawyer the things he was listing to me did not sound

01:06:31.580 like real reasons to delay by five days you're turning yourself in something's up here and if you look at

01:06:38.440 the comments where this video is posted they're very overwhelmingly negative people do not believe

01:06:45.280 him and I'll tell you why they don't believe him Emily it's because we all have a natural lie detector

01:06:50.780 in our guts and whether you know it or not you have a lifetime of experience that feeds it and fuels that

01:06:56.900 lie detector and it it's little subtle things that your brain knows that you might not even be conscious

01:07:02.240 of that it's perceiving that are telling you I don't believe him and we reached out to our own

01:07:09.840 friend the human lie detector Phil Houston 25 years at the CIA he invented the deception detection method

01:07:17.900 being used at the CIA at the FBI and at law enforcement uh departments all over the United States the

01:07:24.080 Secret Service you keep keep going Phil Houston is the one who came up with it he is a human lie detector

01:07:30.220 he knows all the signs of lying and he spent half of that time in the CIA figuring out uh bad guys

01:07:37.120 who we believed were assets of ours who in fact had wound up working for a foreign adversary and the

01:07:43.660 other half figuring out at CIA HQ who of our agents had turned on us and was a double agent I mean this guy

01:07:51.140 was placed in the most serious positions you could be to figure out who's lying so he's a true expert he

01:07:55.760 wrote the books by the lie you should read it so he's running a firm now called Q Verity and he has

01:08:02.160 created an AI lie detector that goes by the letter Q they've given him the gender he but Q and I've

01:08:10.780 talked to him many times about Q and Q has a 97 accuracy rate of determining whether someone is being

01:08:17.560 deceptive and if you're being deceptive he gives you the conclusion of deceptive behavior indicated he

01:08:24.540 doesn't say lie he says deceptive behavior indicated and I'm going to read you the Q analysis of Timothy

01:08:31.060 Busfield's statement provided to us by Phil Houston and Q Verity the speaker repeatedly offers irrelevant

01:08:37.840 background and assurances greeting the audience describing his travel to Albuquerque mentioning he

01:08:43.580 hired a lawyer vowing to confront and fight the allegations calling them lies and thanking supporters

01:08:49.180 none of which directly address the specific charge of molesting children these off-topic details

01:08:55.500 function as avoidance tactics diverting attention from the core question only after this extended

01:09:01.600 narrative does he briefly deny the accusation quote I did not do anything to those little boys and

01:09:07.500 quote a minimal response following extensive digression that is characteristic of a deceptive

01:09:14.160 approach to the allegations conclusion deceptive behavior indicated and then Phil added the

01:09:21.040 following in our opinion this is a great example of a situation where a lot of people will believe

01:09:25.680 his remarks because of the aggressive delivery approach and his attack behavior toward the toward

01:09:30.960 the opposition in reality it's the type of response we often see from people who have committed

01:09:36.460 serious wrongdoing for the record he denies the charges and plans to deny and defend them in court this is

01:09:44.460 from somebody I trust implicitly when it comes to these analyses take it with a grain of salt it's

01:09:50.220 obviously not uh foolproof it could be wrong three percent of the time but very interesting no well it's it's

01:09:58.320 very interesting you brought that up because my reaction to watching the video was I do not believe him

01:10:03.760 and something is off something was weird about the video and so then to have Phil come in and with

01:10:09.440 the AI tool produce that explanation which is helpful for being so specific and pointing to exactly what

01:10:15.200 I was trying to think of what felt off to me about the video and it was exactly that it was he was bringing

01:10:19.700 in all of this different stuff I wouldn't have necessarily jumped to oh that's a sign of deception but when

01:10:25.680 you think about it Phil's explanation makes a lot of sense it's like this attempt to be aggressive

01:10:31.620 um but we already know from what you just pointed out he's evading he's he's not telling the whole

01:10:38.500 truth or even the truth at all when he talks about getting in his car and going to New Mexico just

01:10:44.300 logically that sets your lie radar off but then also you can see him saying it with such uh he's attempting

01:10:53.180 to be so calm and cool and collected about it but you know it just doesn't make any sense so I agreed

01:10:59.840 before I saw that result from the AI that something felt weird and off about that video it's starting

01:11:06.200 to look like he's in very big trouble and Megan your coverage of this has been huge it's like other

01:11:11.140 people are staying away from the story for some reason but it's a big one it's I mean it's it gets

01:11:16.620 to the heart of what many of us have believed about Hollywood for a long time which is that there are

01:11:22.960 a disgusting number of pedophiles running around hurting children and that you have an industry

01:11:29.380 that looks the other way I mean the the police affidavit squarely points at Warner Brothers saying

01:11:35.400 their behavior has been to delay to obstruct to not assist in the police investigation about whether

01:11:42.560 this happened why would they do that there was a court order that they produced documentation they

01:11:46.680 had done an internal investigation to the cops they stalled for three months the cop pointing out

01:11:52.300 there were other children on sets within the Warner Brothers lots while this is going on and one of

01:11:58.460 the allegations was that the reason this was able to happen allegedly was that the woman responsible

01:12:03.280 for keeping an eye on the minors while on set was busy talking to others and milling about the set

01:12:08.560 and did not have eyes on these boys at all times and that he as the director was able to go on set

01:12:14.640 where there were beds at times and fondle the boys when nobody else was looking this is after they had

01:12:22.560 cut tape he was the director so he controlled when the tape was rolling and when it wasn't and he

01:12:27.560 controlled where people were on the set too when he dismissed people from the set they would leave

01:12:31.060 and he would understand you know I want to go talk to the boys give me a minute and go in there and

01:12:36.060 without that woman there watching them he would have known he had an opportunity to do something to the

01:12:41.680 children and so that these are the allegations as laid out by the police affidavit again he denies them

01:12:46.160 but that that's part of why it's such a compelling story which is you know we've heard from Corey Feldman

01:12:51.860 we heard what happened at Nickelodeon this is not the first and only story we've heard along these lines

01:12:56.500 and it's a disgusting industry let's face it we all have seen enough evidence to know that

01:13:01.440 when you brought up the Nickelodeon allegations and actually revelations last week I was thinking

01:13:07.420 more about that because this has so many eerie similarities and it's not eerie I mean it's

01:13:11.900 actually quite logical that something like this would have transpired in a similar fashion because

01:13:16.560 what we've learned from a lot of the allegations and revelations that have come out of Nickelodeon

01:13:21.780 in the 90s when I was watching it in early 2000s is that this was systematic it was there were all of

01:13:30.180 these like lacking safeguards you go back and you listen to the stories of these kids and you just

01:13:35.660 Corey Feldman being another good example cannot I mean it's astounding astounding how little

01:13:41.760 supervision and how much trust was granted to people who abused it and then abused children by

01:13:49.560 abusing the trust but that's why this story I think is so important because you can see in it the

01:13:55.500 hallmarks of how this has happened systematically in Hollywood for decades and is still happening right

01:14:02.440 now with the studio itself appearing to run cover right for the accused instead of for the alleged

01:14:09.060 victims I do want to say that Warner Brothers itself denies that they say they responded in a timely

01:14:14.260 manner that they've been very cooperative and that they do everything to protect the children on their

01:14:17.520 set and again Timothy Busfield denies this he says that it's a money grab he says that the lead

01:14:23.380 actress of the show heard an admission from the mother when the two boys got fired that she was going to

01:14:29.020 exact revenge on Timothy Busfield so we'll see that woman that actress refused to speak to the cops

01:14:34.720 seems like something she would have done if she had that kind of exonerating information but okay

01:14:40.900 that's going to be his defense and we'll see I'm not closing the book on Timothy Busfield's guilt or

01:14:46.120 innocence I'm saying this all stinks right now I have plenty of reason to doubt him and I just having

01:14:52.380 read the Phil Houston and the Q analysis again just a reminder he said um they the speaker repeatedly

01:14:57.620 offers a relevant background and assurances and goes through them none of which directly addresses

01:15:01.220 the specific charge of molesting children these off-topic details function as avoidance tactics

01:15:05.420 diverting attention from the core question only after this extended narrative does he briefly deny the

01:15:09.800 accusation a minimal response following extensive digression digression let's watch it one more time

01:15:15.400 having heard the analysis from Q watch hi everybody it's Tim um I'm sure most of you know uh that are

01:15:24.820 watching this that I was uh ordered to come to Albuquerque I'm here now uh I got the call Friday

01:15:31.300 night I had to get a lawyer Saturday I got in a car we drove 2,000 miles to Albuquerque I'm going to

01:15:37.260 confront these lies they're horrible they're all lies and I did not do anything to those little boys uh and

01:15:45.540 I'm I'm gonna fight it I'm gonna fight it with a great team uh and I'm gonna be exonerated I know I am

01:15:52.220 because this is all so wrong and all lies so hang in there uh and hopefully I'm out real soon uh and

01:16:00.220 and and back back to work and I love everybody for supporting me thank you so interesting right

01:16:08.220 having heard the analysis it's extremely interesting and the other thing that I noticed just listening to

01:16:14.180 that is how he's the words aren't coming easily for him and that to me I just take that as somebody

01:16:22.860 who's trying to speak casually calmly and look like they're off the cuff also having internal reservations

01:16:29.160 and hesitations about what should come out of their mouth next or what should not come out of their

01:16:33.180 mouth yes like he's thinking hard and trying to know what Phil Houston always says Emily he always says that a

01:16:38.800 truth teller runs toward the truth if the truth is your ally you run toward it so if you were accused

01:16:46.900 of this horrible thing a truth teller might sound like this I did not lay a finger on those boys I did

01:16:53.960 not tickle their legs I did not tickle their stomachs and I certainly never touched their bottoms or their

01:17:00.320 genitalia these are lies and we will prove they are lies for now I'm gonna go deal with it in the

01:17:05.580 criminal justice system like you'd go right to the darkest allegations you would not shy away from

01:17:10.960 them I did not do that that or that there will never be any proof that I did that because I didn't

01:17:17.740 you know it's like I'll just give you one silly example but back when I was first starting my career

01:17:22.460 at Fox I was like a first year reporter I think and some disgusting website printed a report that I was

01:17:28.200 allegedly sleeping with Brit Hume my boss and his wife was my boss she was the DC the DC bureau head

01:17:35.080 chief and um I was horrified you know I mean like I've never seen Brit personally in any capacity

01:17:43.460 well we've never had dinner together nothing like I saw him at the office that was it just like

01:17:46.820 everybody else and in it I was young and I was just starting out so it really was undermining you

01:17:51.120 know and I was angry about the report and Brit made me feel better because he came by and he was

01:17:55.380 like oh you have to blow that off you know I was new I didn't realize how disgusting the industry is

01:17:59.480 back then and he's like you got to blow that off and I was like well what do you mean and he was

01:18:03.960 like Megan he's like we didn't have an affair there will never be any proof that we had an affair

01:18:08.900 there will never be a picture there will never be a witness there will never be an email there will

01:18:12.220 never be a text there will never be anything and so this story will go away because it's false

01:18:17.100 like they it's not going to linger because there's nothing to it and that's always stuck with me you

01:18:22.820 know and so like if you were wrongly accused I think you'd sound like that I didn't do it there

01:18:28.360 will never be a picture that I did it there will never be a witness that I did it there will never be

01:18:31.840 any extraneous proof other than the word of these two kids whose mother is trying to extort me

01:18:37.340 that i did do it i didn't touch them i've never touched a child like that never would period

01:18:42.120 right like you get up and down in it but you don't run from the core allegation what q is saying

01:18:47.160 here a minimal response um when he briefly denies the accusation that matters that's that's because

01:18:54.040 he's uncomfortable when he's there and the reason he's uncomfortable in q's opinion is b is not

01:19:00.760 because it's a disgusting topic it's because the truth is not his ally right and he was building up

01:19:07.280 to it as well which made me think again he was really trying to uh stage this denial and was

01:19:14.800 cautious internally about it and i just think like when you're a kid and your parent asks you you know

01:19:19.940 did you do this bad thing the way that you respond if you're lying speaking from uh no experience of

01:19:25.860 course i never lied to my parents as a child but you are building up to it and you're like well

01:19:30.380 listen what you need to know is all the kids on the playground have been acting horribly horribly

01:19:36.900 i would never do anything to them but like they are bad bad uh and so you kind of are building

01:19:42.240 to buy yourself time as you find the right words and then you're like it took me a good hour to get

01:19:49.140 to the playground i had to go the long way it was full of traffic right i got stopped by a teacher

01:19:55.480 there was a long talk there um you know there's a lot i had to do but then when i finally got there

01:20:00.520 others were behaving badly but i wasn't i wasn't and anyway it's so it's like all right i don't want

01:20:04.880 to condemn him before he's had his chance to defend himself but um it is very interesting i think how

01:20:11.420 your gut tells you something when you watch something like that and then when you hear a

01:20:14.900 professional analysis of what your gut is picking up on already you just don't know the words to

01:20:20.220 describe what you're feeling it's like it's bullseye you know it makes you feel better

01:20:25.500 anyway timothy busfield will have his day in court he says this is a money grab and that the mother's

01:20:29.720 just pissed that the boys were fired from the show uh okay emily thank you so much a pleasure

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01:24:03.840 sirius xm app welcome back to the megan kelly show and our gen z politics and culture panel which is

01:24:13.340 good because the new york post reports gen z men are no longer approaching women because of quote

01:24:19.360 approach anxiety oh no joining me now to discuss that and more isabel brown she's host of the isabel

01:24:26.740 brown show on the daily wire and hayley karania host of nightly scroll at silver lock ladies welcome

01:24:34.860 to the show thanks for having us oh it's great we have a lot to get through all right so let me start

01:24:40.840 here i'm gonna get to the gen z men which i'm sure you're well aware of without me telling you

01:24:46.320 um here back on the minnesota and the protests uh topic here is a woman named lizzie and she saw an

01:24:54.940 opportunity in these protests ladies an opportunity as follows watch thought 19

01:24:59.560 here we are at my official dating profile request i am 42 actually i'm almost 42 i am a relationship

01:25:09.740 anarchist i am on the lookout for somebody who right now will i be able to call and say hey

01:25:16.020 get in the passenger seat and let's go fuck some shit up if you're interested in fucking some shit

01:25:22.120 up if you're not afraid of a woman who can speak her mind um if you're interested in sitting in a

01:25:27.540 side seat message me we got shit to do she blew a kiss started off so so well and she's like we're

01:25:36.960 gonna go f okay a lot of guys would be into that and then and then it turned into something else and

01:25:42.680 just here's the epilogue lizzie did go out it didn't go very well here's thought 20

01:25:48.560 i don't know how to plead enough with people this is happening this is happening they are stealing

01:25:59.220 people

01:26:00.400 i know she's crying if you are out there right now acting like everything's totally fine you're just

01:26:11.480 gonna like go get a massage or like go out to brunch with some friends you need to stop you

01:26:18.400 need to open your eyes because the reality of what is happening is atrocious all right now you tell me

01:26:27.200 isabel whether she is crying over what's happening on the streets of minneapolis or the fact that

01:26:32.260 girl can't get a date you know megan it's hard to tell where all of the endless tears are coming

01:26:38.180 from from the millennial woman generation i've never been more grateful than right now to be

01:26:43.680 generation z we've got a lot of promise ahead of us i also think the keffia is a really nice touch

01:26:49.160 draped around the shoulders there it's like these people don't even know what they're advocating for

01:26:54.560 but i think millennial women how many causes are at issue on this particular drive madam exactly

01:27:00.100 exactly but this concept of millennial women embracing toxic empathy is so so important because

01:27:05.880 we have gaslit entire generations of people in our society and culture to believe that they are

01:27:10.860 really good people if they go out and they hit police officers with their car or they're protesting

01:27:17.000 to bring sharia law into american culture and they're a really bad person if they believe in objective

01:27:22.700 reality or can answer the question like what is a woman we have a lot of work to do when it comes to

01:27:28.020 reclaiming culture for young women in our country and i'm excited to get that work done

01:27:32.200 yes and i don't i'm just gonna say i don't think come with me we're gonna fuck shit up is like the

01:27:38.220 greatest intro to getting the the best kind of man um but they are having problems at the gen z level

01:27:45.720 you tell me whether you know about this hayley because the new york post reports that the that the uh

01:27:51.300 gen z men are not asking women out at all uh they cite a man named ryan kessler it's amazing that

01:27:57.260 somebody actually like you know went on agreed to do this right he's 28 years old he is quote

01:28:03.020 terrified of talking to women his hesitancy stems from quote the fear of being mistaken as a toxically

01:28:09.980 macho boneheaded creep he told the post when trying to win over a potential love interest the last thing

01:28:17.020 he wants is to be considered a jerk who makes ladies cringe rather than swoon with a clumsy pickup line

01:28:22.300 and unwelcome advances i never want to make the other person feel uncomfortable and i want to be

01:28:26.540 respectful some girls don't want to be approached at all so i'm always trying to err on the side of

01:28:29.980 caution not wanting to come off as a pushy as pushy is a concern shared by nearly half of single men in

01:28:36.880 the u.s who grapple with approach anxiety hayley so what is our message to them this is pretty tragic

01:28:44.880 also you're not going to swoon anyone if you don't have the balls to go up and ask them out to begin

01:28:49.580 with i mean this is really just fear it's social anxiety i think a lot of this stems in gen z from

01:28:55.320 covet i think a lot of people got very comfortable just sitting behind their screens behind their zoom

01:29:01.060 laptops you know they're not going into school anymore their uh social activities were canceled

01:29:06.400 and i think a lot of people found comfort in that a lot of people that struggle with social anxiety

01:29:10.920 which is horrible to see what this has done to society and specifically in dating but i think that

01:29:17.260 this is also a pretty nasty side effect of dating culture and dating app culture as well because dating

01:29:23.980 apps kind of take away the the fear right you don't have to be rejected face to face you don't

01:29:30.880 have to be rejected in real life you don't have to go up to a girl and say hey i think you're cute and

01:29:35.040 she says it'll get away from me or no i have a boyfriend or anything like that you assume if

01:29:39.700 you're on a dating app that the other person if they're being honest is single and then if you match

01:29:44.940 they also like you back so you don't have to go out in public when you go to a bar and shoot your

01:29:50.440 shot because you don't have to worry about that you could just hang out with your friends and then

01:29:54.680 go home and let the dating app do all the work for you yeah back in my day when i was your age

01:29:59.820 they had to come over to us at a bar or a restaurant or a campus or whatever they had to um but you know

01:30:06.000 i'm channeling jordan peterson right now because i know exactly what he would be saying he would be

01:30:09.860 saying this is the fault of the women and i don't think that would be wrong like the clearly this poor

01:30:15.660 guy i actually my heart goes out to him has had enough i'm just gonna take a shot and say probably

01:30:20.920 leftist women be like sit your ass down you know how dare you come over to me or shoot him down as

01:30:27.400 like somehow stepping on her feminist power by coming over with a pickup line that a lot of these

01:30:34.340 guys are now feeling really gun shy about it isabel you're absolutely correct and what's really sad is

01:30:39.860 we've created an entire culture for young men to just choose to self-censor up front when it comes to

01:30:45.540 basic chivalry of wanting to hold the door open for someone or help them lift their bag on the

01:30:50.060 airplane into the overhead bin because they've been so regularly yelled at by these radical leftist

01:30:55.780 women that that's so anti-feminist and you hate women for suggesting that you should be a helping

01:31:00.720 hand i have an almost nine month old daughter and i can't tell you how many times i was on planes

01:31:05.400 when i was heavily pregnant with my daughter isla that i actually had to go out of my way

01:31:09.560 to ask men for help with my heavy suitcase that i wasn't supposed to be lifting

01:31:13.640 in my third trimester of pregnancy because no one was offering anymore so i do think we've really

01:31:18.400 built this culture led by young women to stay away from me men don't approach me don't come talk to me

01:31:23.800 and yet most of the studies that are being done on dating show that when young men do ask a woman out

01:31:28.840 on a date upwards of 90 plus percent of the time it's successful because nobody is asking in the first

01:31:34.340 place so i think we have to have kind of a reckoning as a generation with what we're okay with societally now

01:31:39.380 and see a lot more women from these young men to to just ask the women do want it hayley the post

01:31:44.980 reports that um the that 72 percent of women between the ages of 18 and 30 and 68 percent

01:31:51.740 between the ages of 30 and 40 hope to be approached more and then of course the post has got a quote

01:31:57.480 from somebody a guy saying well i don't see anything wrong with the women approaching men for dates

01:32:01.960 he says i know there's the argument that men used to go to war but now women can too so why can't

01:32:07.280 they do the approaching and my answer to that is you know thousands of years of years of biology

01:32:12.200 and evolution like men are programmed just genetically to be the pursuers to come after the prey to be the

01:32:20.260 lion and women enjoy that most normal women love to be pursued and there's a whole game of cat and

01:32:26.040 mouse that's kind of like a long foreplay kind of thing and i resent the obnoxious feminists who have

01:32:32.680 tried to beat this out of our men um i don't know what what would you say to a guy in this position

01:32:39.240 who are afraid who don't know how to approach a woman in a bar or elsewhere with a pickup line like

01:32:44.820 what what's your advice to them leave the pickup line at home i would just say strike up a conversation

01:32:50.360 as you would anyone else i have shot my shot right i have gone up to guys that i thought are cute and i give

01:32:57.800 them my number or whatever and it doesn't work out and it's okay right like i'm i'm here i'm alive to

01:33:03.400 tell the tale nothing happened to me i didn't die and i'll tell you a personal story i was at a christmas

01:33:08.380 party a few weeks ago and i got a dm the next day from a guy saying hey my friend saw you at the party

01:33:17.240 last night thought you were cute here's his picture here's his number reach out to him if you'd like to

01:33:22.960 go on a date i said no absolutely not i was gonna say your friend your friend was in the same room

01:33:29.940 as me and you didn't take the opportunity to come and meet me in real life the bar is in hell

01:33:34.240 come up to me and ask me out in real life yes exactly right i i mean i'm old school right i'm

01:33:40.520 gen x but i would never go i i would not never ask a man out and i would never go out with a man who

01:33:46.380 is too timid to approach me like you have to be fearless and bold and i expect you to be a leader

01:33:51.540 like i expect you to be even in my relationship i'm obviously an a type personality but in my

01:33:57.460 relationship my husband is the dominant personality he's much more of the a personality and i'd have it

01:34:03.580 no other way but that has to start from the very beginning i think conservative women are different

01:34:08.260 some liberal women are like we are but i think conservative women are different okay um let's keep

01:34:12.680 going there is a show called landman which is getting all sorts of buzz and it's like a non-woke

01:34:21.440 show where they're kind of taking on issues of the day from a non-woke perspective which is great

01:34:26.960 because you don't see this very often and they took on the issue of they them people coming into

01:34:34.620 the lives of young women like yourself in the following clip let's watch it i'm pagan i'm uh angley

01:34:42.780 pagan pagan like the godless religion um it's actually latin means country dweller

01:34:50.440 are you from the country i am from minneapolis so what are your pronouns my pronouns

01:34:59.320 i hope that's pretty clear yeah i don't make assumptions you could identify as a sunflower

01:35:06.740 you know i've been told i look like one i use they them

01:35:10.460 you know i've always been curious why they them because there's just one of you and those are

01:35:18.580 plural pronouns just never really understood the hoopla pronouns my name's ainsley and i just can't

01:35:26.980 really come up with a reason why you would address me in third person in a conversation that i'm a part

01:35:31.340 of i like ainsley this is a taylor sheridan uh production who did yellowstone so he's great

01:35:37.520 your thoughts on it isabel is this like at a left field this never happens or like is this

01:35:41.440 a hollywood fantasy that somebody would wind up being roomed with a they them no not at all

01:35:47.180 actually when i saw this clip i actually confess i haven't watched land men yet although seeing

01:35:51.500 these clips going viral really makes me want to watch the show this is about a daughter of the

01:35:56.300 main character who has moved into her dorm at texas christian university there in fort worth texas

01:36:01.320 and all of a sudden gets paired up with this non-binary insufferable person the clip is much

01:36:05.920 longer it's like four minutes long going super viral on x talking about how you can't bring any

01:36:10.520 animal products into the room don't bring your leather shoes in here or any meat because i'm

01:36:15.860 vegan don't play any music address me by my pronouns and of course this person's from minneapolis

01:36:20.760 it's so beautifully written but what's crazy is i'm watching this clip go viral and i'm remembering

01:36:25.840 countless stories that i have heard from current college students all over the country that this

01:36:30.600 probably feels like a documentary for them watching this because i hear this exact same

01:36:35.420 story told over and over and over again when i speak on hundreds of college campuses across the

01:36:40.260 country this is the reality of what the college experience has become because of the woke radical

01:36:45.140 left but i love that this character's response is just yeah i don't have time for all of that hoopla

01:36:50.280 and i think what you're watching i'm just not doing it gen z is moving on and saying enough we're not

01:36:54.640 doing this anymore truly i mean that has to be the response it's a no like i know a friend who's a

01:36:59.920 teacher and this teacher was like in a room where one of the students was like going by something like

01:37:07.420 a mood ring to determine whether this person was going to be a he a she a they them uh furry whatever

01:37:15.340 and she was like pick one you get you get one that's it that's the only way through this nonsense

01:37:21.360 like i'm not doing they them you you pick one and frankly the only one i'm really going to go with is

01:37:25.800 what's the obvious biological pronoun is but that's you guys have to deal with a lot i'm sorry hayley i feel

01:37:31.500 like it was much simpler back when i was in college in 19 late 80s to the early 90s it is much simpler uh

01:37:40.200 or it was much simpler i will say i was randomly paired with a roommate freshman year who had an

01:37:45.360 imaginary friend i would take the imaginary friend roommate over the they them roommate from

01:37:50.840 minneapolis any day honestly she was very nice she was a little weird but she was very nice okay i have

01:37:55.900 really nothing bad to say so i would pick imaginary friend girl over this pagan they them from landman but

01:38:02.720 i will say i haven't watched this show much either i tried watching the first season and actually the

01:38:08.060 ainsley character kind of irked me in a way that gave me a visceral reaction because she walks around

01:38:14.620 in her underwear in front of her dad and her dad's colleagues and friends she and the mom are very

01:38:21.160 can i say the word slutty they're a little slutty yeah yeah i mean that outfit she was wearing in that

01:38:26.580 scene was a little much she talks to her dad about sex and things like that it made me very uncomfortable

01:38:32.100 honestly to watch so i cut my land that was where i cut my landman uh short but i am happy to see that

01:38:39.140 she got into college and she knows her grammar that you cannot refer to a singular person as plural they

01:38:46.380 them right right that one's taken find a different pronoun and now did you ladies happen to hear any of

01:38:52.660 the discussion i had with emily jashinsky on timothy busfield the actor who's now been um arrested

01:38:58.200 so there's breaking news on this case um this just came in just as a headline for uh those of you who

01:39:03.440 weren't there for that discussion 20 minutes ago timothy busfield uh hollywood director and actor

01:39:07.960 has been um taken into custody now he's turned himself in after an arrest warrant was issued out

01:39:13.100 of new mexico for two counts related to child molestation uh he's accused by two seven-year-old

01:39:18.720 boys of allegedly feeling their at least one of their genitals on set on a program he was directing

01:39:24.960 he's denied it he says it's a money grab his wife is melissa gilbert she's mentioned in the criminal

01:39:29.700 complaint as having bought presents for these boys in in what the complaint describes as a grooming

01:39:34.740 situation and timothy busfield in an interview with the police according to the affidavit said i don't

01:39:40.440 remember these boys i don't remember them which is very strange because they start in this program he

01:39:45.280 directed for apparently two years then again they had social engagements with them with his wife i don't

01:39:51.220 know what's happening there he denies the charges but here this just broke per people magazine in a

01:39:57.200 pretrial detention motion filed on january 14th and obtained by people timothy busfield faces another

01:40:02.620 accusation of sexual abuse the motion states that quote another victim's father then they name him

01:40:09.680 reported to law enforcement on january 13th that busfield allegedly had sexually abused this man's

01:40:15.560 daughter several years ago in sacramento california while auditioning for busfield at b street theater

01:40:21.800 the 16 year old reported that busfield kissed her and put his hands down her pants and touched her

01:40:27.240 privates per the motion busfield allegedly begged the family to not report to law enforcement if he

01:40:33.180 received therapy said the father being a therapist himself he thought at the time that was the best thing

01:40:39.620 to do in the motion for pretrial detention they're saying don't give him bail the authorities are asking the

01:40:44.760 judge to detain busfield while trials pending quote the the defendant's repeated sexual touching of

01:40:50.000 the victim's intimate areas combined with deliberate grooming behaviors establishes a sustained pattern

01:40:55.600 of predatory conduct this conduct demonstrates that the defendant poses a serious and ongoing danger not

01:41:01.040 only to the name victims but to any child placed within his proximity sexual exploitation of children

01:41:06.240 reflects a profound disregard for the physical safety emotional well-being and set etc um wow that's i mean

01:41:12.840 this is just growing isabel and it's not going in the right direction for him it's not and i think

01:41:17.560 megan is really starting to expose what people have known for a long time you articulated this very well

01:41:21.800 just a few minutes ago that this has been happening right under our nose in our culture for far too

01:41:26.240 long not just in the hollywood industry but we certainly see this in athletics as well i interviewed

01:41:31.080 jennifer say former gymnast yesterday and the founder of xxxy athletics talking about how this was

01:41:36.980 happening at the usag uh gymnastics organization for for very very long we know the united states

01:41:42.380 is one of the world leaders in human trafficking and in exploitation of child pornography spreading

01:41:48.460 like wildfire all over our country so i think this is something that's been bubbling under the surface for

01:41:52.940 a very long time but people have just been afraid to talk about it because it's one of those things

01:41:57.440 that's not for polite conversation and yet if we're really serious about protecting children and restoring

01:42:02.420 their innocence making sure this never happens to another generation again it has to start with our

01:42:07.680 willingness to drag darkness out into the light and to confront this head on i know so you never want

01:42:13.180 to you know rush to condemn somebody haley of the most disgusting charges you could bring against

01:42:18.500 child molestation it's the most disgusting thing you can allege that somebody has done and he deserves

01:42:24.100 his day in court but this is also something we need to discuss like we cannot be shy about discussing

01:42:30.340 the specifics i mean i don't love coming out here and describing the actual body parts that this guy

01:42:34.020 allegedly touched but it's important it's important to do because you and i both know there are other

01:42:39.860 children to whom this is happening right now especially in the entertainment field which for some

01:42:46.000 reason attracts more than its fair share of perverts absolutely and yes uh everyone deserves their day

01:42:53.060 in court we have to see this play out in the rule of law but however i really feel for the children

01:42:58.720 in this it is very very difficult to come out and even tell your parents when you are young when you

01:43:04.460 are that young when you're you know your parents tell you don't say this word that's a that's a potty

01:43:09.680 word and then you have to go and tell your parents well this person touched me it is very difficult to

01:43:14.460 come out it is very difficult to come out against someone like that um so i feel for these children i

01:43:20.500 can't imagine if they went through this i it's it's horrific and i hope that they get the help that

01:43:26.200 they need and i hope they get a bulldog lawyer absolutely right and i'll tell you what like

01:43:30.740 think of this if this is true that a 16 year old who was auditioning for him wound up having him kiss

01:43:39.780 her and put his hands down her pants and touching her genitals to the point where he then begged begged

01:43:46.900 for them not to do anything with the cops and to just allow him to go to therapy think of what

01:43:51.940 sort of boundary crossing that would require no normal man would do that he has yet to respond

01:43:57.660 to that allegation we'll wait to see and we will report when he does ladies a pleasure please come

01:44:02.400 back thanks for having us thank you so much great to see you both all right and we are back tomorrow

01:44:07.480 with adam carolla and two big announcements see you then thanks for listening to the megan kelly show

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 14, 2026

Iran Tensions Rise, CBS News Flop, and ＂Landman＂ Slams Pronouns, with Emily Jashinsky, Isabel Brown, and Hayley Caronia ｜ Ep. 1230

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