The Megyn Kelly Show - Is Newsom Done？ California Recall, with Larry Elder and Caitlyn Jenner

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00:00:44.020 On today's show, we have great guests.

00:00:46.540 Larry Elder and Caitlyn Jenner are both here.

00:00:49.880 Both are running for governor of California, trying to boot Gavin Newsom out of his job,

00:00:54.160 and both have a lot of opinions on how to fix their state and what it means for the rest of us.

00:00:59.680 We are going to start with Larry.

00:01:02.140 Here's the situation.

00:01:03.500 California's a blue state.

00:01:04.580 Very, very blue.

00:01:05.660 Just as blue as you think it is.

00:01:07.160 It's even bluer than that.

00:01:08.340 Biden clobbered Trump in California by nearly 30 percentage points.

00:01:13.400 Democrats outnumber Republicans there by nearly two to one.

00:01:16.820 There are five million more Democrats than there are Republicans in that state.

00:01:20.860 No Republican there holds state office.

00:01:23.100 So it's a blue, blue state.

00:01:24.920 And that leads a lot of people to say, how can a Republican, any Republican, oust a sitting

00:01:31.260 Democratic governor?

00:01:32.400 And that's my first question.

00:01:33.640 Larry, how are you doing?

00:01:34.380 And how could any Republican oust Gavin Newsom, given the huge advantage that you have as a

00:01:39.940 Dem just by being a Dem in California?

00:01:43.060 Well, Megan, nice to talk to you.

00:01:45.060 You know, I've learned a number of things being a politician now for six weeks.

00:01:48.680 You lose your voice.

00:01:49.760 You gain weight.

00:01:50.460 And if you look like me and think like me, the Los Angeles Times calls you the blackface

00:01:54.760 of white supremacy.

00:01:57.220 But to answer your question, we have in our Constitution a recall, as do, I believe, around

00:02:02.440 20 other states.

00:02:03.540 And it allows Californians to say, you've done a bad job.

00:02:07.380 And if a certain percentage of people sign a petition, you can be recalled.

00:02:11.220 This is the second time in about 20 years Californians have done this.

00:02:14.880 Gray Davis, the previous Democrat governor, was recalled.

00:02:18.160 And so many people are angry.

00:02:20.900 Nearly 2 million people, Megan, signed a petition to recall this man, about a third of whom voted

00:02:26.020 for him just two years earlier.

00:02:27.800 63% of Hispanics voted for him two years earlier.

00:02:31.100 Now the majority of Hispanics want him gone.

00:02:33.720 The majority of independents want him gone.

00:02:36.040 And there are many reasons, but most notably, the hypocrisy.

00:02:39.560 He was up at the famous French Laundry restaurant, yucking it up with lobbyists, incurring a $12,000

00:02:46.100 wine tab that taxpayers paid for.

00:02:48.520 But more insultingly, he was sitting there with the very people that drafted the mandates

00:02:53.440 that they were not abiding by.

00:02:55.720 They were not engaging in social distancing.

00:02:57.940 They were not wearing face masks after just mandating that everybody else do the same thing.

00:03:02.640 His own kids were enjoying in-person private education.

00:03:06.060 And the reason that's important is because in-person education for the kids educated in

00:03:10.920 government schools were denied.

00:03:12.820 Now before the pandemic, Megan, the quality of the education kids were getting in government

00:03:17.900 schools was already bad.

00:03:19.280 We're near the bottom in test scores of all 50 states.

00:03:22.400 Only about 17 or 18 spend more money per capita than we do.

00:03:26.060 And before the pandemic, 75% of Black boys could not read at state levels of proficiency.

00:03:32.800 And those levels are not high.

00:03:34.060 The math scores are even worse.

00:03:35.880 Nearly half of all third graders could not read at state levels of proficiency.

00:03:40.320 Again, math scores worse.

00:03:41.980 And 80% of the kids educated in our government schools are Black and brown.

00:03:46.480 And I mentioned their race only because people like Gavin Newsom pride themselves on caring

00:03:50.900 about Black and brown people.

00:03:52.900 Well, the number one route to leave poverty to get to the middle class, of course, is to

00:03:56.120 finish high school.

00:03:57.120 And all too often, kids graduating from our urban high schools cannot read, write, and compute

00:04:01.900 at grade level.

00:04:02.600 They're getting ripped off.

00:04:04.300 And what they're afraid of, why I'm so terrifying to them, is because I came from the inner city.

00:04:10.740 I went to a public high school.

00:04:12.360 I know firsthand about the deteriorating quality of public high schools.

00:04:15.840 And I can speak to people in ways that other Republicans have not in the past.

00:04:19.820 So I'm going to break that stranglehold that Democrats have had on Black voters and brown

00:04:24.360 voters.

00:04:24.680 And one of the big reasons is going to be because of the issue of school choice.

00:04:28.260 I believe the money should follow the child rather than the other way around.

00:04:31.440 And I'm supporting education savings accounts, which is going to be a ballot initiative probably

00:04:36.360 sometime in November of this year.

00:04:38.400 So the parent can put a child into a charter school, a religious school, a homeschool, or

00:04:45.260 if they choose, a private school.

00:04:46.920 And the teachers union is deathly afraid of that because, of course, the teachers would

00:04:50.820 not be union members and they would not get those automatic dues.

00:04:53.820 So for all those reasons, Californians want Governor Gavin Newsom out.

00:04:58.980 And also, he shut down the state to the point, Megan, where a third of all small businesses

00:05:04.300 are now gone forever.

00:05:06.860 Many of these small businesses owned by, again, Black and brown and Asian American people that

00:05:11.420 Gavin Newsom prides himself on caring about.

00:05:13.720 For the first time in our state's history, and we're 170 years old, Megan, people are leaving

00:05:19.080 California.

00:05:20.240 Middle-class people cite the number one reason, the cost of housing.

00:05:23.800 The average price of a home just hit $800,000.

00:05:27.760 That is anywhere from 150% to 250% above the national average, largely because the environmental

00:05:35.820 extremists have had a stranglehold over Gavin Newsom and have had a stranglehold over Sacramento

00:05:40.760 for the last 20 or 30 years.

00:05:42.460 And there are many other reasons, but those are probably the top two reasons.

00:05:46.000 The way he shut down the state, denied business owners and employees an opportunity to continue

00:05:50.960 their craft, and the way he shut down schools, and the way he ignored science while mandating

00:05:57.120 that everybody else abide by the science, he was ignoring.

00:05:59.860 One more thing.

00:06:01.380 He also mandated to wear face masks outdoors.

00:06:04.540 Well, he had his own kids in summer camp not wearing face masks.

00:06:08.340 So it's the hypocrisy that angered so many people.

00:06:11.220 And in my opinion, come September the 14th, we're going to have a brand new governor, and

00:06:15.680 that governor's name is going to be Larry Elder.

00:06:17.180 So you lay it out so clearly, Larry.

00:06:19.880 I mean, it's like, so the LA Times in this absurd piece calls you the black face of white

00:06:24.580 supremacy because of comments that you've made because of positions that you have that

00:06:28.480 are pretty conservative Republican positions.

00:06:31.080 You know, you're not even that conservative.

00:06:32.720 You're more like a libertarian.

00:06:34.080 You don't like a lot of government interference in our lives.

00:06:36.060 And yet they'll give him a total pass on his hypocrisy of educating his own kids while all

00:06:42.280 these black and brown kids, as you point out, are sitting at home getting no education because

00:06:46.680 of this teachers union that absolutely refused to go back into the classroom for the entire

00:06:53.380 year last year.

00:06:55.140 There was a stunning interview that the head of the LA teachers union gave to Los Angeles

00:07:00.600 magazine and Cecily Meyer Cruz.

00:07:03.980 OK, she says, first of all, there's no such thing as learning loss.

00:07:07.100 There's no such thing.

00:07:08.160 So the kids, they didn't miss any learning last year.

00:07:10.660 Well, what does that say about her teachers, first of all?

00:07:12.680 But second of all, it's not true.

00:07:14.340 We know that's baloney.

00:07:16.300 But she she came out and said, look, you can recall the governor, right?

00:07:22.020 Go ahead and recall the governor.

00:07:23.080 You can recall the school board, but you're not going to recall me.

00:07:26.540 Yeah, I'm the head of the teachers union.

00:07:28.060 And what she's basically saying is here's here's a middle finger to all the parents out there

00:07:33.040 who think that anything is going to change, even if they put Larry Elder in there, because

00:07:37.640 she's not going to let the dollars follow the children.

00:07:40.580 She's not going to let there be charter schools.

00:07:43.000 She's going to maintain her stranglehold on the California public education system.

00:07:48.200 Well, that's right.

00:07:48.740 And let me read you the quote from from L.A.

00:07:51.000 magazine, which you just now referred.

00:07:52.880 Quote, our kids didn't lose anything.

00:07:54.880 It's OK that our babies may not have learned their times tables.

00:07:58.880 They learned resilience.

00:07:59.780 They learned survival.

00:08:01.420 They learned critical thinking skills.

00:08:03.500 They know the difference between a riot and a protest.

00:08:06.020 They know the words insurrection and coup.

00:08:09.060 She even went so far as to say learning loss was a fake crisis marketed by those who want

00:08:15.180 to take over the state.

00:08:16.380 I mean, it's incredible.

00:08:18.140 And she also said during the during the time they were shut down and when black and brown

00:08:23.500 parents were yelling and screaming in the streets, she said, well, we'll consider going

00:08:27.480 back if we have single payer and if we defund the police.

00:08:31.540 What those have to do with K through 12 is beyond me.

00:08:34.580 It's insulting.

00:08:35.680 It's outrageous.

00:08:36.760 And that is why now the majority of Hispanics, again, 63 percent of whom voted for him just

00:08:41.420 two years ago now want him gone.

00:08:43.380 They know that they're the ones being disproportionately hurt by the quality of public education.

00:08:48.820 Yeah.

00:08:48.920 And they're they're very worried.

00:08:50.760 Democrat or the the Gavin Newsom campaign is worried about the Hispanic vote, which more

00:08:54.560 and more seems to be siding with elder.

00:08:57.400 You've got a lot of Latino support because Latinos are not voting just as a voting bloc

00:09:02.800 like we're Democrats and therefore we support Gavin Newsom.

00:09:05.780 And they're worried about pocketbook issues and school issues.

00:09:09.400 And the schooling is just outrageous.

00:09:11.040 Yeah.

00:09:11.360 This this woman last year, I guess, not only did they want the things that you listed,

00:09:15.980 they wanted a wealth tax.

00:09:17.260 This is in order to go back into school.

00:09:19.420 They wanted a wealth tax, Medicare for all, a ban on charter schools, of course.

00:09:24.320 And so I just wonder whether people are sick enough of that kind of attitude when it comes

00:09:29.560 to their children, that they'll they'll do something crazy in the eyes of blue California,

00:09:33.460 which is bounce out the Republican.

00:09:35.340 I mean, bounce out the Democrat from office.

00:09:37.400 Here are the stats.

00:09:38.200 You tell me what I should make of these.

00:09:40.480 The latest poll, this is it's called Public Policy Institute of California.

00:09:43.940 California, this this is, I guess, very well respected out there.

00:09:46.640 It typically underestimates the Dems in polling.

00:09:49.880 They say 58 percent say they're going to vote no on recall, which would save him.

00:09:54.900 They say that the odds are over overwhelmingly against you.

00:09:59.220 And this is a poll that I guess it understated Democrats support in the 2020 presidential race

00:10:04.040 by three points in California gubernatorial race by 11 percentage points.

00:10:07.580 So why should we believe you can still do this?

00:10:10.620 Well, not too surprisingly, I don't buy that.

00:10:13.460 We also have our own internal polling, which shows the pro recall side versus the anti recall

00:10:18.180 side is within the margin of error.

00:10:21.320 And on the who replace him side, I'm far, far ahead of my Republican rivals.

00:10:25.920 So I'm not worried about that.

00:10:26.860 But I am worried about the first part.

00:10:28.700 And it's my job in the waning days of this campaign to remind people of why nearly two million

00:10:33.220 people signed that petition.

00:10:35.320 I've already talked about the way you shut down the state.

00:10:37.960 We talked about the decline in the quality of public education when his own kids were

00:10:41.920 enjoying in-person private education.

00:10:44.360 We have not talked about the rise in crime.

00:10:46.500 Crime is up.

00:10:47.320 Violent crime is up in Oakland, in San Francisco, in Los Angeles, in San Diego, in L.A., where

00:10:52.980 I am, Megan.

00:10:54.820 Shootings and homicides are up 41 percent.

00:10:57.840 And that is up from the year before, which was also up, largely because during the coronavirus

00:11:02.360 pandemic, under this governor, 20,000 convicted felons were released early, many of them violent

00:11:08.300 offenders.

00:11:09.360 And based on history, the majority of them are likely to reoffend.

00:11:12.260 Just the other day in Oakland, Barbara Boxer, the former senator, was mugged.

00:11:16.320 Her cell phone was taken.

00:11:17.660 And a few days earlier than that, the Oakland police chief complained about money being diverted

00:11:21.300 from his police department because of this defund the police movement.

00:11:25.300 We also have two soft on crime DAs.

00:11:27.460 One is in San Francisco, one is in Los Angeles, and Gavin Newsom's fingerprints are on both

00:11:33.160 of them.

00:11:33.480 The one in L.A. is named George Gascon.

00:11:35.860 He's facing a recall election.

00:11:38.200 So is the one in San Francisco.

00:11:41.000 And his name is Gavin, George Gascon, rather.

00:11:45.400 And Gavin Newsom appointed him police chief of San Francisco, appointed him DA of San Francisco,

00:11:50.320 and then supported him when he became a DA of Los Angeles.

00:11:53.520 And both these DAs support cashless bail, meaning if you're a bad guy, you have a court

00:11:59.000 date, and you don't show up for your court date, there are no real consequences.

00:12:03.700 And so for all these reasons, crime is going up.

00:12:06.260 And disproportionately, the victims of crime are the very Black and brown and Asian American

00:12:10.240 people, again, that people like Gavin Newsom claim that they care about.

00:12:13.920 And the price of a home in California, Megan, is just at $800,000.

00:12:18.420 That is anywhere from 150% to 250% above the national average, depending upon what study

00:12:24.100 you read.

00:12:25.500 That is why middle-class people are leaving, working-class people are leaving.

00:12:28.640 And when they do leave, the number one reason they cite is they cannot afford the price of

00:12:32.940 a home.

00:12:33.540 So declining quality of schools, crime up, can't find a home, and the way this guy hypocritically

00:12:41.320 imposed mandates that he didn't violate themselves.

00:12:43.520 It's my job to remind people of all of that, plus bad forest management.

00:12:47.180 We have five seasons here in California now, Megan.

00:12:50.140 The fifth one is now fire season because of the poor management of our forests.

00:12:54.300 We also have rolling brownouts because of the poor way we've been investing in our energy

00:12:58.520 grid, forcing utilities to depend upon weather-dependent, unreliable so-called renewables like wind

00:13:05.120 and solar, and under-investing in our power grid.

00:13:08.540 There's no front where this man, in my opinion, has done an acceptable job.

00:13:12.400 $30 billion were stolen from our education development department.

00:13:17.820 This is the department that's supposed to administer unemployment benefits for the very

00:13:21.200 people in California who couldn't go back to work.

00:13:23.720 A million people were waiting for their unemployment checks, while $30 billion were given to criminals

00:13:29.100 who applied for unemployment benefits from San Quentin and criminals who applied for California

00:13:33.940 unemployment benefits from Nigeria.

00:13:36.480 I'm not making this up.

00:13:37.760 $30 billion.

00:13:40.160 I did not know that.

00:13:42.600 Well, so you tell me then, Larry, why, given all those things you just listed, why does it

00:13:47.600 appear that the early vote is going for him?

00:13:51.960 Now, that's not atypical that the Democrat would get more in the early vote because the

00:13:55.520 Republicans tend to go day of.

00:13:57.480 But this is what I read.

00:13:58.640 6.4 million ballots have been turned in as of Tuesday, yesterday.

00:14:03.760 The Democrats accounted for more than half, according to the LA Times, Republicans just

00:14:08.260 under a quarter.

00:14:09.900 The guy who heads up the data collection firm who looked at this said the higher the turnout,

00:14:15.440 the greater Newsom's chances are of staving off this recall, given the way the state's

00:14:19.560 voter registration goes.

00:14:20.820 He said the Democrats needed a 1.3 million ballot cushion going into Election Day.

00:14:26.000 They currently have 1.84 million more ballots returned than Republicans.

00:14:30.340 So those are not good numbers.

00:14:32.820 It seems like you need a huge Republican surge on Election Day.

00:14:37.420 How do you get that?

00:14:38.700 Well, I guess I have a couple of responses.

00:14:40.440 Just because Democrats turned in their ballot doesn't mean they vote for Gavin Newsom.

00:14:44.900 You know, I'm on the campaign trail.

00:14:46.180 I've been on the campaign trail for for six weeks.

00:14:48.640 I cannot tell you how many Democrats have come up to me and told me you're the first Republican

00:14:52.180 I'm voting for because I am fed up.

00:14:54.640 You know, this rise in homelessness doesn't have a party.

00:14:58.040 The rise in the cost of living in California doesn't have a party.

00:15:01.320 The decline in the quality of public schools doesn't have a party.

00:15:04.740 So I think a lot of Democrats...

00:15:06.020 Did you just get a former Democratic leader in the state who endorsed you?

00:15:10.720 What happened?

00:15:11.180 Who was that?

00:15:11.620 It was a woman.

00:15:12.260 Her name is Gloria Romero.

00:15:14.420 And she was a state senator, not just a state senator.

00:15:16.980 She was the state Senate majority leader, a Hispanic, and she is very angry about what

00:15:23.120 I said about the schools being shut down and about Gavin Newsom, the teachers union, opposing

00:15:27.340 school choice, which the overwhelming majority of Hispanics won.

00:15:30.900 It was a big deal.

00:15:32.000 She crossed party lines.

00:15:33.560 She's not renounced her party.

00:15:35.120 She still is a registered Democrat.

00:15:36.340 But she has incurred the wrath of the party that she is still affiliated with because she

00:15:44.380 dared to suggest that she's concerned about the quality of education, concerned about

00:15:48.340 the crime, concerned about the shutdown of a third of all small businesses.

00:15:52.000 Many of them are owned by Hispanics.

00:15:53.500 So for all those reasons, Gloria Romero has crossed party lines and has supported me.

00:15:58.080 But as I was saying, the assumption is just because a Democrat has turned in the ballot,

00:16:02.140 the Democrats are going to vote for Gavin Newsom.

00:16:03.840 I think there's going to be a lot of red faces come September 14th when they add up the ballots.

00:16:08.320 And the other part is what you just now said.

00:16:10.500 Republicans tend to wait later.

00:16:12.880 They don't trust the mail.

00:16:14.200 They'd rather drop off the ballot in person.

00:16:16.520 And so there's going to be a huge surge over the next several days, I believe, of independents

00:16:20.560 and Republicans turning in their ballots.

00:16:22.460 So there's going to be a lot of surprises come September the 14th, in my opinion.

00:16:26.440 Well, here's something interesting.

00:16:27.480 You know, so I read all those statistics, which I just laid out before you, how what the what

00:16:31.680 kind of an advantage the Democrats have in terms of registration, no Democrat holding

00:16:35.900 statewide office and the early vote, how it appears.

00:16:38.900 But you tell me, if that were the case, why are both the president and the vice president

00:16:45.080 heading out to California to try to help Gavin Newsom now with less than a week to go in

00:16:50.440 this race?

00:16:51.120 Kamala Harris is there today.

00:16:52.720 She's going to be out there in an hour, a couple hours from now.

00:16:54.960 Uh, the president himself is said to go out early next week.

00:16:59.160 Bernie Sanders cut an ad for Gavin Newsom.

00:17:02.300 They, to me, seem like they're getting a little nervous.

00:17:05.340 Senator Warren cut an ad for him, too.

00:17:07.440 Uh, and in both the Bernie Sanders ad and the Senator Warren ad, none of them said anything

00:17:12.060 like this.

00:17:13.100 Gavin Newsom has done a good job for California.

00:17:15.680 They never came close to saying that.

00:17:17.580 They all said this is a Republican takeover because that's all they got.

00:17:20.860 You can't defend his record on forest.

00:17:22.660 You can't defend his record on water.

00:17:24.220 We're running out of water because we haven't added to our water infrastructure system in

00:17:28.560 any real way in about 40 years when the state was half its size.

00:17:31.640 They can't defend his record on rolling brownouts.

00:17:33.900 They can't defend his record on the economy.

00:17:36.380 We've only recovered about half of our jobs compared to two-thirds national average.

00:17:40.500 They can't defend his record on the quality of schools.

00:17:43.100 They can't defend his record on anything.

00:17:44.640 So all they're doing is saying Republican, Republican, Republican.

00:17:47.680 And I was on CNN recently, and I was identified as a Trump Republican.

00:17:52.020 Nobody calls Gavin Newsom a Hillary or Biden Democrat.

00:17:57.020 You know, I'm a Republican.

00:17:58.120 I haven't voted for a Democrat since 1976.

00:18:01.100 And that was Jimmy Carter, Megan.

00:18:02.840 And I regret that.

00:18:04.660 You learned your lesson.

00:18:06.300 Yeah.

00:18:06.800 So they don't call me a Mitt Romney Republican.

00:18:08.580 They don't call me a George Herbert Walker Bush Republican or George W. Bush Republican.

00:18:12.320 They call me a Trump Republican because they want to they want to federalize this election

00:18:16.280 because they cannot defend his record.

00:18:18.700 They are scared to death.

00:18:20.720 That's where I want to pick up.

00:18:21.800 The press has come out for you.

00:18:23.900 And I heard you.

00:18:24.820 I know you're friends with Dave Rubin.

00:18:26.180 I love Dave, too.

00:18:27.060 And he was saying that he had been a fundraiser with you recently.

00:18:29.380 And he was like, this is great.

00:18:30.380 You know, the press is coming after you.

00:18:31.420 It just means that they see you as a threat.

00:18:32.840 And that is I totally agree with that.

00:18:34.520 But, man, they have been so nasty, Larry.

00:18:38.760 The L.A. Times, this woman, Erica D. Smith, can't stand you.

00:18:43.580 She is the one who called you the black face of white supremacy.

00:18:46.260 But it's not just them.

00:18:47.360 It's CNN and some other reporting.

00:18:49.180 And so we're going to get into what the press is trying to do to you.

00:18:51.500 And even Caitlyn Jenner took a shot at you saying you should drop out.

00:18:54.020 She's going to be here later.

00:18:55.100 So I'll ask you about that in two minutes.

00:18:57.820 Stay with us.

00:18:58.340 Back with me now is California gubernatorial candidate and radio talk show host Larry Elder.

00:19:08.080 Larry, thank you again for being here.

00:19:09.520 All right.

00:19:09.740 So Erica D. Smith, diversity writer for the L.A. Times, was also a social justice correspondent

00:19:15.600 for the Sacramento Bee.

00:19:17.100 Not surprisingly, doesn't like you because she doesn't like any conservative or Republican,

00:19:21.820 period.

00:19:22.500 But she calls you the black face of white supremacy.

00:19:24.540 She says you're skin folk, but not kin folk.

00:19:27.340 And I ask you whether Erica D. Smith sounds an awful lot like a racist.

00:19:32.300 Well, you know, I really haven't attacked her for attacking me like that.

00:19:37.400 It's just a silly thing.

00:19:38.840 And it's not even worth, you know, the energy to even have an opinion about it.

00:19:43.260 But some people feel that if you are a black conservative, somehow you're a traitor to the

00:19:47.360 race.

00:19:48.280 By the way, the kin folk, skin folk line isn't even original.

00:19:51.240 And I've been called everything from a tax cheat to a woman hater to somebody who waved a

00:19:57.140 loaded revolver at somebody.

00:19:59.140 I mean, almost every day something more ridiculous happens.

00:20:02.800 And regarding the woman hating thing, which is interesting, Megan, because when I got into this

00:20:07.560 race, I started to ask myself, now, what kinds of things have you said or done that would come

00:20:12.580 back to haunt you?

00:20:14.000 And I've been on radio for 27 years.

00:20:16.000 Before that, I was in a television for about 10 years.

00:20:19.440 And so I had well over 27,000 hours of radio broadcasting because for the first half of my

00:20:24.680 radio career, I was on four hours a day, not three hours a day.

00:20:27.780 Oh, my goodness.

00:20:28.680 I've written a column once a week since April of 1998.

00:20:32.160 It's roughly 1,200 columns.

00:20:34.460 And out of all the columns, out of all the things I've ever said, this is the best that they've

00:20:38.740 been able to come up with.

00:20:39.720 And regarding the woman hating thing, I wrote a column 21 years ago that was published in a number of

00:20:44.700 publications, including a commentary magazine in which I was quoting a study that was done

00:20:50.300 by University of Pennsylvania.

00:20:52.000 Okay, wait, wait, wait.

00:20:53.160 Let me set it up.

00:20:54.200 Can I set it up?

00:20:54.920 Because I, of course, you know me.

00:20:56.960 I looked into all of it.

00:20:57.980 I'm like, okay, let's see.

00:20:59.060 What do they have against Larry?

00:20:59.920 Because I know Larry and Larry's not a sexist jerk.

00:21:02.680 But okay, let's see what they have.

00:21:04.680 And this is, okay, first they said he once promoted an article encouraging women to be 1950s

00:21:09.960 housewives.

00:21:10.780 I'm like, what's that about?

00:21:11.620 So I go click on it.

00:21:12.400 And it says the article attacking you says you can find that web page by going to the

00:21:17.480 way back machine on the internet, you know, it finds old articles and then click satire

00:21:21.980 when you get to his website, which will delete, deliver you to this article.

00:21:25.920 I'm like, hello, you just owned yourself.

00:21:28.420 He says it's satire.

00:21:29.980 Okay, so that's number one.

00:21:31.200 Then it says he says women are not as smart as men.

00:21:33.460 I'm like, really?

00:21:33.960 That doesn't really sound like him.

00:21:35.100 I don't know.

00:21:35.500 What is that?

00:21:36.040 What is that about?

00:21:36.540 So I go back and I search through and I clicked on your original article.

00:21:39.860 I'm like, okay, what did he say?

00:21:40.840 In fact, what I saw was Larry Elder citing an Annenberg study, which was coming out yearly

00:21:47.120 and provided actual data saying women at the time surveyed did not know as much as men did

00:21:52.800 about politics in 2000.

00:21:54.800 The studies have been cited and analyzed by many female scholars then and thereafter by

00:22:01.420 name, women whose names I recognized saying, why is this?

00:22:05.220 And they got into sort of the cultural differences in how women consume their news and they blame

00:22:08.300 some local news issues and so on and so forth.

00:22:10.240 You were not the only one, but they make it sound like you're just this Neanderthal sexist

00:22:13.360 pig who just thinks women are a bunch of dumbasses.

00:22:16.420 That, by the way, is why Caitlyn Jenner said you should drop out and you are not what California

00:22:22.080 wants, let alone what we need.

00:22:23.460 You're as bad as Gavin Newsom, she says, towards women.

00:22:26.580 What do you say to Caitlyn Jenner, who's coming up in about 10 minutes?

00:22:29.500 Well, and she wasn't the only one who said that another one of my Republican rivals also

00:22:33.660 said that I should drop out because of my hatred towards women.

00:22:37.100 It was during a debate and someone said, Larry Elder says women are dumber than men.

00:22:42.340 Well, if Larry Elder had said that, I would respond in the same way that Jenner did.

00:22:46.520 But Jenner didn't read the article that you just now read.

00:22:49.800 And so she simply responded to what somebody said that I said.

00:22:52.960 That was unfortunate.

00:22:53.760 And by the way, the headline was The She Issues.

00:22:57.620 And it turns out in that column, I said women care more about Social Security, health care

00:23:02.460 and education than did men.

00:23:04.140 And I quoted a woman who's still at the Annenberg School.

00:23:07.880 She's a left-wing professor.

00:23:09.440 And she said, the reason for the difference in knowledge is that women primarily get their

00:23:14.260 source from local news and, quote, watching local news makes you dumber, close quote.

00:23:19.300 I didn't say that.

00:23:20.500 She did.

00:23:20.980 And so now all of a sudden, that's been translated into Larry Elder thinks women are dumber than

00:23:24.860 men.

00:23:25.240 The average IQ of a man is 100.

00:23:27.300 The average IQ of a woman is 100.

00:23:29.500 I've also written that there are more women in college than men, that women, young women

00:23:33.280 make more money now than young men do.

00:23:35.980 Can you just not, like, don't even defend yourself on those comments to me.

00:23:38.960 I looked at it.

00:23:39.860 They don't have you.

00:23:40.780 They don't have you there.

00:23:42.180 That was a bullshit claim.

00:23:43.720 And people ought to know it was a bullshit claim.

00:23:45.440 I'll ask you about the ones that I actually, like, all right, well, I'd love to hear his

00:23:48.400 response on this one.

00:23:49.080 Um, this was one.

00:23:51.500 OK, San Francisco Chronicle, because the press is coming out.

00:23:53.760 LA Times, CNN, San Francisco Chronicle, Politico.

00:23:56.340 They're all coming after you.

00:23:57.900 Um, not so much on Gavin Newsom.

00:23:59.920 San Francisco Chronicle reported on a section of your 2000 book, sexual harassment in the

00:24:04.920 workplace doesn't hold women back.

00:24:06.400 And that you said smart women simply overlook some boorish behavior by men.

00:24:11.040 Off color jokes and stupid remarks may be irritating, but a smart woman deals with this.

00:24:15.660 So your thoughts on that now in, you know, 21 years later in the wake, in the wake of

00:24:19.800 the Me Too movement.

00:24:21.440 Well, I still pretty much feel that way.

00:24:23.280 I think a lot of men say a lot of stupid things at work and a lot of them should just

00:24:26.920 be ignored.

00:24:27.460 Uh, but there's no evidence, in my opinion, that women are being held back by these kinds

00:24:31.460 of stupid comments, particularly in the wake of the Me Too movement.

00:24:34.520 There's less toleration for that.

00:24:36.320 Uh, look, uh, women are, there are more women now in college than men, as I was about ready

00:24:40.020 to say.

00:24:40.620 Uh, the numbers of, of women and men in, uh, in medical school and in law school are now

00:24:45.980 equal.

00:24:46.380 Uh, I think women are just, are kicking butt.

00:24:49.120 There are more women CEOs than ever before.

00:24:50.980 More women, uh, heads of colleges than ever before.

00:24:54.780 Uh, and the more women elected to high official, high elective officials, uh, senators and governors

00:25:00.900 than ever before.

00:25:01.820 So, I mean, can we just get off of this?

00:25:04.060 I don't think sexism, uh, is a major factor in America life anymore than I think racism

00:25:08.440 is.

00:25:08.720 I'm not saying that they're gone away, uh, but they are relatively minor factors in America.

00:25:12.800 You work hard, bust your butt, invest in yourself, whether you're a male or female.

00:25:16.940 Gay or straight, um, black, white, Asian American people.

00:25:20.080 Okay, but let me ask you about the sexual harassment.

00:25:20.600 So you wrote that in 2000.

00:25:22.140 This is, since then, Les Moonves was running CBS and, and at the helm of power out there.

00:25:26.640 So was Harvey Weinstein.

00:25:27.960 You can't honestly say that, that their sexual harassment and abuse of women in the workplace

00:25:32.720 did not hold them back.

00:25:34.540 I mean, that was pervasive in their respective industries.

00:25:37.640 Disgusting.

00:25:38.040 And now it's been well-documented.

00:25:40.600 Well, that's right.

00:25:41.320 Uh, and they were purged out.

00:25:42.680 It took a while, but they were purged out.

00:25:44.620 Look what happened to Matt Lauer.

00:25:45.580 Look what happened to a lot of these people that engaged in that kind of behavior.

00:25:48.580 Uh, it is not tolerated anymore, uh, nor should it be tolerated anymore.

00:25:52.660 Uh, so I, I still believe that, um, women have just as good a chance as men do, uh, in

00:25:58.400 succeeding in life.

00:25:59.860 Uh, are there, are there jerks?

00:26:01.660 Yes, there are jerks.

00:26:02.500 There are also female jerks too.

00:26:04.300 I just don't believe it's a major factor in America.

00:26:06.620 What do you, are, are any party to this conversation?

00:26:10.200 For me?

00:26:11.240 Are any party to this conversation?

00:26:12.720 The president, president company excluded, of course.

00:26:15.660 Okay.

00:26:15.800 I'll bring that up with Caitlin.

00:26:17.260 Um, okay.

00:26:17.960 What about the, there was a nasty article in Politico and it's citing your ex-fiancee.

00:26:23.580 You bring it up.

00:26:24.160 So I'm going to ask you about it.

00:26:24.940 Alexander Dadig, who says you waved a gun at her while you were high on marijuana.

00:26:30.820 She said you took it out of a, out of like an end table, uh, and you, and you check to

00:26:36.160 see if it was loaded.

00:26:37.240 She said she was terrified that she ran for her life, that you then pressured her to sign

00:26:42.580 an NDA.

00:26:43.300 She called it a, quote, Phil Spector moment.

00:26:47.520 Uh, BS, uh, absolute, total BS.

00:26:50.860 I've already responded to that, responded to that.

00:26:53.160 Beyond that, I won't even dignify it.

00:26:55.240 It's, it's ridiculous.

00:26:56.860 Uh, what people don't quote, uh, is the letter that was written by, uh, by Father John Bacchus,

00:27:02.200 uh, who is, um, uh, a priest of a major, uh, Greek church here in, uh, in Los Angeles,

00:27:08.660 uh, and where she, uh, lived, uh, one of the apartments owned by the church.

00:27:13.600 Uh, he put out a statement about her, uh, and denied that she ever told him anything like

00:27:18.520 this.

00:27:19.220 Uh, I urge you to read it.

00:27:20.900 Uh, and also there've been other men and women who've been, uh, asked by the LA Times

00:27:25.720 and other people about my character.

00:27:27.340 At least 20, 25 of them have called me and said, uh, I was on for a half hour, 45 minutes,

00:27:33.480 15 minutes.

00:27:34.300 I talked about your character.

00:27:35.620 I talked about how you've never, ever, ever done anything like that.

00:27:38.780 And all of a sudden, uh, you never hear any of these quotes from all these people that,

00:27:42.860 uh, the LA Times tracked out.

00:27:44.400 I would say at least 25 or 30 people, uh, that I've known for anywhere from 20, 25, 15

00:27:50.920 years have been contacted by the LA Times, all of whom denied knowing or hearing anything

00:27:56.360 like that about me, uh, and all of whom vouch for my character, yet none of those names appear

00:28:01.000 in any of the articles.

00:28:02.000 They're looking for dirt.

00:28:03.120 They're looking for something to smear me because again, they can't defend Gavin Newsom's

00:28:06.880 record on crime, on homelessness, on their outrageous cost of living, on the fact that

00:28:11.500 our schools are declining, on his bad forest management, on the rolling brownouts we're

00:28:15.780 having, on the fact that we haven't added to our water infrastructure in about 40 or

00:28:19.460 50 years.

00:28:20.120 So we're running out of water.

00:28:21.860 Uh, the infrastructure was designed for a state half the size.

00:28:24.560 Nobody's defending his record.

00:28:26.160 All they're doing is attacking me and trying to find something to undermine me because they're

00:28:30.100 scared to death.

00:28:30.900 God forbid a blue state like California elects a common sense Republican and God forbid I

00:28:36.400 should do something about the homelessness problem.

00:28:38.100 Well, it's funny to me.

00:28:39.020 God forbid I should do something about the school, about the schools.

00:28:40.980 And if I make an appreciable difference in the quality of people's lives, they're afraid

00:28:44.900 that people are going to rethink their allegiance to the democratic party, particularly black and

00:28:48.500 brown people.

00:28:49.260 So therefore I'm, I'm, I'm a direct threat to them.

00:28:52.160 And I understand that because you're a black man from South central Los Angeles who, who

00:28:56.640 made your own way in this world.

00:28:59.320 You know, your dad's got a story that belongs in the front page of every newspaper.

00:29:02.680 You're his son.

00:29:03.760 You brought up by a guy raised in the Jim Crow South, the real Jim Crow South and you're

00:29:08.800 self-made entirely.

00:29:09.780 And now you get accused by a white woman of a, of a, of a crime of abuse.

00:29:15.600 And at the, at the point she accused you, she had never filed a police report or something

00:29:20.040 and so on and so forth.

00:29:20.920 You would think if there, if you had a Democrat after your name, you were going after a sitting

00:29:24.800 white Republican governor.

00:29:27.640 I just, I can't help but feel the LA times coverage of this entire story would look very

00:29:32.900 different.

00:29:33.240 I do want to say that this woman now, now she filed a report with the LAPD over these

00:29:38.400 allegations.

00:29:38.920 Um, they, she was alleging basically a misdemeanor gun violation.

00:29:42.640 They have declined to prosecute saying even under her allegations, it happened six years

00:29:47.020 ago.

00:29:47.420 It's a one year statute of limitations for a misdemeanor.

00:29:49.560 That's that, um, less coverage again of Gavin Newsom's affair with his then appointment

00:29:54.640 secretary who was married to his campaign manager, not to mention everything that went

00:29:58.440 on with Arnold Schwarzenegger and so on, um, that the California voters seemed fine looking

00:30:03.840 past.

00:30:04.520 I don't know.

00:30:04.880 You tell me because I feel like it's character assassination and every one of these publications,

00:30:10.660 if it were just the one woman coming forward, that's one, but everything I read now is trying

00:30:15.280 to come after you as a white supremacist, as a sexist pig, as a, as a domestic abuser.

00:30:20.600 I mean, Larry, it's like, does it bother you?

00:30:23.520 Is it's a lot?

00:30:24.660 No, no.

00:30:25.180 You know, of course it's not pleasant to read that stuff, but, but Megan, when I started

00:30:29.120 to run, I knew it was going to happen.

00:30:31.960 I know how vicious they can be.

00:30:33.460 I know what a threat I am.

00:30:35.280 I undermine the whole narrative that systemic racism is a major problem in America.

00:30:39.280 I undermine the critical race theory narrative.

00:30:41.520 I undermine the reparations narrative.

00:30:43.460 So I am a threat.

00:30:44.780 I've always been a threat.

00:30:45.960 I've been a public figure for almost 40 years now, uh, and all sorts of vicious, nasty things

00:30:51.000 have been said about me.

00:30:52.120 Some even more vicious and nasty than some of the ones you just now mentioned.

00:30:55.180 So I knew that was coming.

00:30:56.580 I was ready for it.

00:30:57.920 You know, I wasn't born yesterday.

00:30:59.400 I've been following politics all my life.

00:31:01.080 I knew it was coming all because they don't want to face the fact that this man, Gavin

00:31:06.080 Newsom has trashed California.

00:31:08.400 People are leaving California for the very first time.

00:31:11.340 There's a net migration out of California.

00:31:13.100 It's never happened before.

00:31:14.520 And the rate at which businesses are leaving California in 2021 is twice the rate at which

00:31:19.180 they've left the last three years.

00:31:20.980 And more businesses have left so far in 2021 than have left all of last year.

00:31:25.680 The LA Times doesn't want to deal with that.

00:31:27.080 They don't want to deal with the rise of homelessness.

00:31:28.800 They don't want to deal with the rise in the cost of living.

00:31:31.260 So let's attack Larry Elder as being, quote, the black face of white supremacy.

00:31:35.060 It's ludicrous.

00:31:35.980 And it's insulting to the people that signed this petition.

00:31:39.120 Nearly 2 million of them did.

00:31:40.680 And about a quarter of them are independents and Democrats who just voted for him two years

00:31:44.400 earlier.

00:31:45.020 The majority of Hispanics now want him gone, even though 63% of them voted for him two years

00:31:49.840 ago.

00:31:50.320 So this is what's going on.

00:31:51.620 They see the ground shifting underneath them and they are scared to death.

00:31:54.600 That's why Kamala Harris is coming here.

00:31:56.140 And Joe Biden is coming here and Warren is coming here.

00:31:58.900 And Bernie Sanders, again, none of them defending Gavin Newsom on the record, all trashing this

00:32:03.560 as, quote, a Republican takeover, close quote.

00:32:05.960 Well, let's not forget about DIFI, because that's that's the other thing that's getting

00:32:09.480 a lot of press interest.

00:32:10.940 I mean, that's why one of the reasons they're worried about you and why the National Democrats

00:32:14.360 are worried about this race, because Dianne Feinstein is 88 years old and she could retire

00:32:19.000 at any moment or, God forbid, worse.

00:32:21.060 And the sitting governor of California, if she were not to finish out her term, would

00:32:25.680 have the ability to appoint her replacement.

00:32:27.360 And we have a 50 50 tie in the Senate right now.

00:32:30.740 And the the Democrats can't afford to lose a seat.

00:32:33.660 And the Republicans would absolutely love to gain one.

00:32:36.400 You've tried to make that an issue.

00:32:37.560 They've tried to make that an issue.

00:32:38.820 And that is something that I would think that the Democrats in California would be paying

00:32:42.260 attention to.

00:32:43.020 OK, can I ask you about this soundbite from Gavin Newsom?

00:32:45.400 Because he decided to weigh in on all of this.

00:32:48.360 To me, he sounds in messaging a little bit like Justin Trudeau of California.

00:32:52.160 But here's what he had to say.

00:32:53.980 Listen, the idea that we have someone on the other side of this ballot that could be sworn

00:32:59.940 in in a matter of weeks that not only doesn't believe a woman has the right to choose, not

00:33:08.040 only doesn't believe, as the senator said, women are as smart as men.

00:33:12.100 By the way, I don't know if you've seen Senator Warren cross-examine folks on Wall Street.

00:33:23.460 Apparently, Larry Elder has not.

00:33:26.460 Women are smarter in politics, smarter in civics.

00:33:29.860 They're smarter in economics.

00:33:31.900 Women rule.

00:33:34.180 Oh, my God.

00:33:35.320 I meant to say Justin Trudeau of Canada.

00:33:37.180 Oh, my God, Larry.

00:33:38.000 I like the patronization, you know, I don't need Gavin Newsom to tell me I'm smarter than

00:33:47.680 any given man.

00:33:49.040 In his case, it's absolutely 100 percent true.

00:33:51.320 But just the pandering, it's so stomach turning.

00:33:55.760 Sorry, I stole the word.

00:33:57.000 You you tell me what you thought of that.

00:34:00.620 Well, again, he's not talked about his record.

00:34:03.260 He's always just malign the other side.

00:34:05.220 I've challenged Gavin Newsom to debate.

00:34:07.640 I'd like to hear him defend his record on crime, defend his record on the declining

00:34:11.160 quality of schools, defend his record on how he sat up there at the French laundry restaurant

00:34:14.920 with the people who drafted the mandates while he was not wearing masks, while he was not

00:34:19.020 engaging in social distancing.

00:34:20.740 In 2004, when he ran for mayor of San Francisco, Megan, he promised to deal in the homeless problem

00:34:26.920 in San Francisco in 10 years.

00:34:28.920 That would have been 2014.

00:34:30.400 Have you been to San Francisco recently?

00:34:31.920 And when he became lieutenant governor, he sat around, banged the table and said, I have

00:34:35.880 nothing to do.

00:34:36.700 And I suggested that maybe just maybe he might want to fulfill the campaign promise he made

00:34:40.880 in 2004 to address the homeless problem in San Francisco.

00:34:44.280 He's got no record.

00:34:45.540 He's got nothing to say.

00:34:46.600 All he has to do is call this a Republican takeover and make stupid comments about me.

00:34:52.120 If he really feels strongly about his record, I urge him to debate me.

00:34:55.780 I happen to debate him anywhere, anytime, on a stage, in the back of a gym, on a hot air balloon,

00:35:01.740 whenever he wants to set the terms, let's debate.

00:35:04.480 He wouldn't do that because it would mess up his hair.

00:35:07.260 What about the other thing that they're throwing at you is a comment you made to Candace Owens,

00:35:11.440 our mutual friend, saying slave owners should have been the ones getting reparations, should

00:35:16.980 be the ones getting reparations or whatever, for the loss of their property.

00:35:22.240 This has got the LA Times upset.

00:35:24.880 I mean, to me, I listen to him like it's classic Larry.

00:35:26.880 He loves to be provocative in a humorous way.

00:35:29.820 But you tell me whether you stand by the statement that slave owners should have been

00:35:33.640 given reparations for the loss of their property.

00:35:36.160 Again, what that has to do with all the issues facing California is beyond me.

00:35:40.360 But as I recall, I was talking about reparations in general.

00:35:43.440 And I think what I was saying was one of the reasons there was no civil war over slavery in

00:35:48.720 the U.K. is because slave owners, those who were running slave trade, were given, quote,

00:35:53.980 reparations, close quote, for the taking of their property.

00:35:58.160 And that's all I said.

00:35:59.600 And I said, really want to play this game.

00:36:01.740 Yeah, it's true.

00:36:02.600 If you really want to play this game about reparations, then we ought to be getting

00:36:05.540 reparations from African chieftains who sold Africans en masse to Arab and European slavers.

00:36:11.200 We could have this kind of cross migration of money all over the place because slavery,

00:36:15.140 unfortunately, has been a feature of human history since the very beginning.

00:36:19.060 Asians enslaved Asians, Europeans enslaved Europeans, Africans enslaved Africans.

00:36:24.840 Unfortunately, that's been a feature of human history.

00:36:28.340 And that's all I was saying.

00:36:29.580 But what that has to do with why schools are bad in California, what that has to do with

00:36:33.700 why we're running out of water in California, what that has to do with why a third of all

00:36:37.360 small businesses in California have been shut down because this man ignored science, is

00:36:41.220 beyond me.

00:36:41.740 Again, it's a distraction because they cannot defend his record.

00:36:46.100 Well, it's back to this L.A.

00:36:47.980 Times columnist who I mentioned, who doesn't like you, who says this is a quote from her.

00:36:51.860 I do believe a wealthy white man, she means like Newsom, will do less damage to black Californians

00:36:58.320 than elder, a black man who rose from poverty.

00:37:01.580 And they cite comments like that.

00:37:03.540 You know, whatever happened in Europe, whatever happened in other parts of the world, what

00:37:07.320 happened in this country was white people enslaved black people.

00:37:10.820 And, you know, it's caused massive damage to the psyche, to the black descendants of

00:37:16.300 slaves and so on.

00:37:17.680 And they hear a comment like that and think you're insensitive to that plight.

00:37:21.620 Well, one more time, what any of that has to do with any of the issues that we're talking

00:37:25.480 about is beyond me.

00:37:26.900 Michael Medved, my colleague at Salem, said that only five percent of white people today

00:37:31.760 have any sort of generational connection to slavery.

00:37:34.800 We had a we had a war over the abolition of slavery.

00:37:38.120 A whole bunch of white people lost their lives, lost their limbs in order to to end slavery.

00:37:44.000 It is over right now.

00:37:45.520 Slavery is ended.

00:37:46.660 There's something called the 13th Amendment.

00:37:48.140 Maybe you've heard about it.

00:37:49.460 It's done.

00:37:50.280 Can we move on now?

00:37:51.800 What we need to do is make sure our schools are strong.

00:37:54.100 We need to do is make sure our streets are safe.

00:37:55.780 We need we need to do is make sure that people have jobs in this increasingly competitive

00:37:59.780 economy of ours.

00:38:00.720 That's what we ought to be talking about.

00:38:02.380 And they don't want to talk about that for all the reasons that I mentioned.

00:38:04.900 They're scared to death.

00:38:06.660 If California, a blue state, elects a common sense Republican like Larry Elder, and if I

00:38:11.420 can make an appreciable improvement in people's lives, then people all over the country are

00:38:15.560 going to rethink their attitude toward the Republican Party and rethink their allegiance

00:38:19.240 toward the Democratic Party.

00:38:20.480 And that's what they're afraid of.

00:38:21.480 And I don't blame them.

00:38:22.680 Man, you're so smart.

00:38:24.020 My gosh, the amount of information you have is just it's it's lethal.

00:38:27.900 It's scary for people to be your opponent.

00:38:29.760 That's why he doesn't want to get on a debate stage with you, Larry.

00:38:32.840 I would love to see it.

00:38:34.780 But listen, OK, we have less than a week left and people are going to have to show up on

00:38:38.300 the GOP and independent side and Dem side if they want you.

00:38:41.360 So in 30 seconds or less, your closing message to those who are listening to this.

00:38:46.000 My closing message is please go to electelder.com because my opponent has raised already about

00:38:51.820 seventy five million dollars.

00:38:53.680 He's going to outspend me by a factor of almost ten to one from the usual suspects, the teachers

00:38:57.720 union, the public sector unions, Hollywood and big tech.

00:39:01.080 So I'm urging people to vote.

00:39:02.680 Vote now.

00:39:03.400 Vote yes on the recall.

00:39:04.640 Make sure you sign your ballot.

00:39:06.280 If you don't trust the mail, you can track it online or you can drop it off at a voting

00:39:10.100 center.

00:39:10.420 And then on the replacement side, of course, I want you to vote for Larry Elder.

00:39:13.860 But remember why two million people signed that petition because of the rise of crime,

00:39:19.800 because of the way he shut down the economy, because only half of our jobs have now been

00:39:23.760 recovered pre-pandemic level versus two thirds of jobs nationwide.

00:39:29.080 The people are leaving for the first time.

00:39:31.100 That our forests are being mismanaged.

00:39:33.020 That our water infrastructure system is being mismanaged.

00:39:35.880 That we're having rolling brownouts for all those reasons.

00:39:39.580 Just remember, this man has been utterly, utterly incompetent.

00:39:43.560 He was born on third base, thought he hit a triple.

00:39:46.120 I'm from the hood.

00:39:47.000 My dad came here without two nickels to rub together after the war and rose from poverty

00:39:52.580 to the middle class by working hard and by investing in himself and by not believing

00:39:57.280 he's a victim.

00:39:58.340 The Democrats want black people and brown people to think of themselves as victims.

00:40:02.200 I'm a unifier.

00:40:03.360 I'm going to bring people together.

00:40:04.560 I'm going to make California a better, I'm going to restore the California dream for the

00:40:08.440 40 million Californians who are here, half of whom have said, Megan, that they've considered

00:40:12.720 leaving the state.

00:40:14.180 All right.

00:40:14.820 Larry Elder, always a pleasure.

00:40:16.600 We're going to be watching over the next week.

00:40:17.980 You got it.

00:40:18.420 Thank you so much for having me.

00:40:19.900 All right.

00:40:20.260 And up next, Caitlyn Jenner.

00:40:21.680 When she announced her candidacy, she was attacked by the left, of course, but she also

00:40:25.340 touched off an important debate within the Republican Party, especially for some conservatives

00:40:29.680 like Candace Owens.

00:40:30.740 We're going to ask her about it.

00:40:31.820 Plus, our phone lines are open.

00:40:34.560 You got a question about my time at Sirius, my time at Fox News, about cancel culture,

00:40:39.800 about the collapsing, dishonest, disgusting media?

00:40:43.160 Give us a call at 833-44-MEGYN.

00:40:47.020 That's 833-446-3496.

00:40:50.180 446-3496.

00:40:51.960 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show, everyone.

00:40:58.380 Here with me now, Caitlyn Jenner, gubernatorial candidate out in California as well.

00:41:03.940 She's a Republican and she's on the Larry Elder side of the ticket trying to get Gavin

00:41:07.900 Newsom booted out.

00:41:08.920 If a majority of Californians answer yes to that question, do you want Newsom gone, then

00:41:14.840 they vote on the Republicans who are on the other side or the candidates who are on the

00:41:18.120 other side and figure out which one of those folks should take over.

00:41:22.260 Caitlyn is one of them.

00:41:23.660 Caitlyn, such a pleasure to have you here.

00:41:25.060 Thanks for being with me.

00:41:25.860 Megan, I haven't seen you in a while.

00:41:28.080 We haven't talked.

00:41:29.240 It's a pleasure to be with you again.

00:41:31.440 Aw, thank you so much.

00:41:32.880 All right, so let me start with this.

00:41:34.220 I just had Larry Elder and he's leading the pack on the GOP side as the most likely, if

00:41:39.900 there's a recall, to win.

00:41:41.720 The latest numbers on you were not so good.

00:41:44.380 It showed you polling at just 1%.

00:41:46.500 So do you think you still have a chance?

00:41:51.060 Well, put it this way.

00:41:52.200 The polling has been all over the place.

00:41:55.380 It's just like a week or two ago, another poll, you know, had me in second place.

00:41:59.780 And so it's been all over the place.

00:42:01.400 So to be honest with you, I really don't worry about the polls.

00:42:05.300 I have started this campaign months and months ago.

00:42:08.500 And for the last almost month, I have been all over this state.

00:42:14.300 My campaign has been about talking to the people.

00:42:17.860 I've been the homeless issue down in ground zero in California for the homeless issue is

00:42:23.760 Venice Beach.

00:42:24.420 I've been down there speaking with the local people, finding out what we can do.

00:42:30.580 The programs that they're doing, they're actually doing a very good job right now.

00:42:35.340 In Venice Beach, the sheriff's department came in and a homeless person, one of their

00:42:41.320 first contacts they're going to have is going to be with law enforcement.

00:42:44.380 And they've been on the ground there working really hard and do an amazing job with Alex

00:42:49.880 Villanueva.

00:42:50.540 They have a host program, they call it, and doing a wonderful job.

00:42:54.080 You know what?

00:42:54.740 Gavin Newsom has never been to Venice Beach.

00:42:57.840 I was shocked.

00:42:59.660 He's never come here.

00:43:01.480 Look what's happened as far as the homeless issue in San Francisco, his former city.

00:43:05.560 The homeless issue, he has spent about $13 billion on the homeless issue over the last

00:43:12.460 few years.

00:43:13.160 And has it gotten any better?

00:43:15.920 Not at all.

00:43:17.380 It has only gotten worse.

00:43:19.520 Why has that happened?

00:43:21.160 Gavin Newsom is about special interests.

00:43:24.880 He's about nonprofits.

00:43:26.240 These nonprofits have taken this money, and about 90% of the money goes to the nonprofit.

00:43:34.120 Very high salaries, a lot of employees, only about 10% actually goes to helping the homeless.

00:43:40.920 And plus, the nonprofits are not interested in solving the homeless crisis.

00:43:45.240 Why?

00:43:45.620 Because if they do, they're going to be out of a job.

00:43:48.180 I want the taxpayer in California to get a good return on their investment.

00:43:51.800 And right now, as far as the homeless issue is concerned, they're getting a horrible return

00:43:56.380 on their investment.

00:43:57.620 If you take the host program, the sheriff's department's program in Venice, all they have

00:44:02.680 is one lieutenant, one sergeant, and three deputies, and they work that beach.

00:44:08.320 That is a good return on your investment.

00:44:10.740 We have to take a more aggressive look at the homeless issue.

00:44:16.560 In the future, it's a hot mess out there.

00:44:18.440 But let me ask you, too, about the teachers unions, because that's another problem, right?

00:44:22.440 They take all this money, and they negotiate away the students' rights.

00:44:26.100 They don't care about the students at all.

00:44:28.260 It's all about lining the teachers' pockets.

00:44:30.260 The teachers just got a huge increase in their budget.

00:44:33.000 The budget for students, individual students, allegedly for them, went up 69% versus two years

00:44:38.300 ago, but the students aren't going to see any of it.

00:44:40.600 It's all going to be new hires that'll go into the teachers' union, making them more

00:44:45.160 powerful.

00:44:45.740 So what do you do about that if you're elected?

00:44:48.480 You know what?

00:44:49.840 I thought about that.

00:44:50.800 When I first thought about doing this, I said, oh, my God, I'd have to go up against

00:44:54.460 the teachers' union.

00:44:56.300 And that's kind of a tough job, very powerful organization.

00:45:00.040 And then I thought back, you know what?

00:45:01.160 When I first came to California in 1973, I came here to surround myself with some of the

00:45:06.200 greatest athletes in the world, and I did.

00:45:08.300 And I took on the biggest athletic machine in the world, the Soviet Union.

00:45:14.440 And you know what?

00:45:15.300 Me and my friends, and we trained hard and outworked them, and we beat the Soviet Union.

00:45:20.420 And I thought, if I can do that, you know what?

00:45:23.620 I can go to Sacramento.

00:45:25.500 I can surround myself with really, really good people.

00:45:28.820 And I can take on the teachers' union.

00:45:31.440 But this time, I want to win for your kids.

00:45:33.800 We need to change our education system in this state.

00:45:38.960 I am for school choice.

00:45:41.600 I am for charter.

00:45:42.940 I am for charter schools.

00:45:44.680 I am for private schools.

00:45:46.740 And also, I'm a big advocate of technical schools.

00:45:49.840 Not every kid should go to college.

00:45:51.900 They spend an awful lot of money.

00:45:53.940 And then when they get out, they wind up working at McDonald's.

00:45:56.820 It isn't right.

00:45:57.700 What we need is really good technical schools.

00:46:00.580 Now, the budget is $80 billion for schools in California, plus about another $10 billion

00:46:06.880 with local and city funds.

00:46:10.200 And the problem is that money doesn't follow the student.

00:46:13.600 All right, wait.

00:46:13.920 Let me stand you by there.

00:46:14.920 Forgive me, because we've got to squeeze in a quick break.

00:46:17.060 But we're going to pick it back up with Caitlin on the other side.

00:46:19.040 We're going to talk about how the left ruined the Olympics.

00:46:22.460 Don't go away.

00:46:23.160 Back with me now, Caitlyn Jenner.

00:46:29.540 Caitlyn, I'm embarrassed to admit to you, during the break, I said to my staff,

00:46:32.300 does anyone know what's in the decathlon?

00:46:34.660 And we came up with 10 events.

00:46:39.040 Can you help us?

00:46:40.940 Yeah, if they want to learn about the decathlon, Netflix, just recently, about a month ago,

00:46:46.480 came out with a show called Untold.

00:46:49.020 It's kind of the Untold Stories.

00:46:50.380 One of the best documentaries I've ever seen on that performance way back then.

00:46:57.880 Footage I had never even seen before.

00:47:00.500 And it's really, really, really well done.

00:47:03.300 I saw you talking about it, saying, well, you were talking, this is a whole other subject,

00:47:07.900 but you were saying when you see the old you, that version of you, Bruce Jenner, winning

00:47:13.700 the decathlon, winning the gold medal, that that was a character you created to sort of

00:47:18.340 deal with some of your gender dysphoria issues and so on.

00:47:21.760 I thought that was so interesting that Bruce Jenner was a creation of yours.

00:47:26.260 Yeah.

00:47:26.700 You know what?

00:47:27.980 Little Caitlyn's always lived inside me growing up.

00:47:31.560 I've had to deal with her all my life.

00:47:33.540 Every person who deals with gender dysphoria deals with it differently.

00:47:40.340 Every story is a different story.

00:47:42.740 And you have to kind of pick your own path.

00:47:45.160 I was very fortunate.

00:47:46.760 After the games are over with, I got into work.

00:47:51.720 I got into raising a family.

00:47:53.340 I'm so proud.

00:47:54.220 I raised 10 children.

00:47:55.860 Proud of every one of them.

00:47:56.920 And they've done, they're amazing kids, amazing citizens.

00:48:00.560 But eventually, I just got to the point in my life at the age of 65 that I've never really

00:48:06.160 dealt with myself.

00:48:07.400 And honestly, it was the best decision I ever made.

00:48:10.660 I just wake up in the morning, be myself.

00:48:13.600 I don't have any secrets.

00:48:15.140 I did a book called The Secrets of My Life.

00:48:16.940 I told every secret there is out there.

00:48:19.940 That's one thing I'm very happy about.

00:48:22.300 I'm probably have, I don't have any secrets.

00:48:26.700 And being in politics, it's tough because everybody has secrets in politics.

00:48:31.580 That's right.

00:48:31.980 And I don't have any.

00:48:32.980 I'm very open.

00:48:33.640 I'm me.

00:48:34.200 I just wake up in the morning and be myself all day.

00:48:36.340 Must be very liberating.

00:48:38.280 I like not to have any.

00:48:39.800 I don't know.

00:48:40.240 I think one thing, I mean, we can get into your transition and the gender thing.

00:48:44.600 But I do think one thing I respected about you, but I realized it may have been very,

00:48:48.240 very hard, is that you did wait.

00:48:51.720 Your children were raised by the time you decided to transition.

00:48:56.640 And maybe this is my own personal issue, but we had this happen in my own family.

00:49:01.320 And I don't get too specific about it because I'm not at liberty.

00:49:04.380 Those involved have not given me the liberty to share this story publicly.

00:49:07.920 But my point is, there's somebody very close to us, that's part of my family, who transitioned

00:49:13.100 male to female.

00:49:15.820 And they did it when the children were young and really of pubescent age.

00:49:20.800 And I think it was very hard on the kids, really, really hard.

00:49:25.260 I don't know.

00:49:25.680 Was that a conscious choice on your side, on your end, or did you just come to terms with

00:49:29.980 it later?

00:49:30.340 You know, little Bruce, honestly, still lives inside me.

00:49:35.800 I mean, you still have the fight and the vigor to run for governor.

00:49:40.120 I mean, you've got to have a lot of fight in you.

00:49:41.780 You've got to be able to have great work ethics.

00:49:44.340 And I still have all of those things.

00:49:46.480 But I just live my life authentically.

00:49:48.820 So, no, life is very good.

00:49:51.660 And it's great to be in a position where I can kind of go to the next chapter.

00:49:57.000 I've always been very politically involved.

00:49:59.300 I've done a lot of lobbying.

00:50:01.120 I go to Washington, D.C. on sometimes LGBT issues, but other issues.

00:50:06.340 And for the first time, I decided to get it on the inside.

00:50:09.300 And it's been quite a ride for the last five months.

00:50:12.600 I mean, I see the politics of politics when you're on the inside.

00:50:17.840 And it's a tough business.

00:50:20.080 You've got to be tough in here.

00:50:22.200 California is in trouble.

00:50:23.680 I mean, you can't have a healthy America with a sick California.

00:50:27.580 And California is sick as you can be.

00:50:30.060 Well, what would you say is tougher?

00:50:32.920 He's got to go.

00:50:34.120 Competing and winning gold in the Olympics, being a television star, which you, you know,

00:50:39.020 keeping up with the Kardashians, among other programs, or running for political office.

00:50:44.060 Running for political office is the toughest thing you can do.

00:50:46.900 It's the hardest I've ever worked.

00:50:49.040 Every day up early.

00:50:50.880 Yesterday, I was doing things at 530 in the morning, going all day.

00:50:55.440 I'm doing this because, to be honest with you, mate, I don't have to do this.

00:51:00.240 I'm doing it because, number one, I love this state.

00:51:03.580 And I love the people of this state.

00:51:05.400 And we do not deserve to go through what we have gone through over the last 20, 30 years

00:51:10.960 of Democratic majority in Sacramento.

00:51:16.340 They have destroyed this state.

00:51:19.380 And this is kind of, I think of it as kind of the turning point.

00:51:23.420 Obviously, the Democrats are in control in Washington, D.C.

00:51:27.000 Everybody talks about 2022 and for the races in the House and the Senate.

00:51:32.860 But to be honest with you, to take this state, take this country back, it starts right now

00:51:37.640 here in the last week going into this recall election.

00:51:40.780 It starts right now.

00:51:42.140 If we can recall Gavin Newsom and replace him with a conservative Republican like myself,

00:51:51.860 that will be major when it comes to 2022.

00:51:56.580 We have to turn this country around.

00:51:58.720 Honestly, I feel right now, if Gavin Newsom, and it's tough, it's mail-in ballots and Democrats,

00:52:06.600 it's going to be tough.

00:52:08.200 But if he stays in, honestly, I think that's kind of the, they will be so emboldened.

00:52:15.400 I think it's kind of the end of the state.

00:52:17.640 It's just, I don't know if it can recover from this.

00:52:21.360 Would you leave if that happened?

00:52:23.580 Would you ever consider leaving?

00:52:24.440 Oh, I thought about it.

00:52:26.500 Well, honestly, I thought about leaving.

00:52:28.160 So many of my friends have left California.

00:52:30.500 Here in L.A. County, where I'm at right now, they say, they did a survey and 10% of the

00:52:36.460 population said they will be gone in one year.

00:52:40.540 Housing prices are out of the roof.

00:52:43.460 Rent is out of the roof.

00:52:45.460 Jobs are scarce because Gavin Newsom keeps closing the economy down.

00:52:49.580 We've lost 33% of all restaurants in California, closed, never to come back.

00:52:56.860 And crime is through the roof.

00:53:00.620 In L.A. County, homicides are up 90%.

00:53:03.380 And Gavin Newsom doesn't want to take any credit for that whatsoever.

00:53:10.480 Every time crime comes up, he just pivots and goes the other direction.

00:53:14.720 A good example, a couple of weeks ago, you may have seen it.

00:53:17.560 In Oakland, there was an Asian lady who was attacked by two thugs, trying to get her purse.

00:53:23.900 Two young Asian boys came up, tried to help her.

00:53:26.880 One got shot, fortunately not fatally.

00:53:30.020 And so the next day, the head of the Asian community in Oakland does a press conference

00:53:36.680 and says, Gavin Newsom, please, you know, put a state of emergency in Oakland.

00:53:42.440 Bring in the state police.

00:53:43.900 We need help.

00:53:44.640 We need protection.

00:53:46.080 You know what?

00:53:46.540 He didn't even do it.

00:53:48.520 He said, oh, we'll send some funds down there.

00:53:50.740 That's exactly what he does.

00:53:51.760 Just throw money at the problem.

00:53:54.160 And that's exactly the way he is on almost every issue.

00:53:59.060 You know, when I was at the border, Megan, this shocked me.

00:54:02.600 When I was at the border a couple of weeks ago with some of the great Border Patrol agents

00:54:07.520 down there working in tough situations.

00:54:09.480 Back when I was standing there doing the interviews, four immigrants came across our border in a hole, came right up to them.

00:54:18.820 There were four from Brazil.

00:54:20.200 They only spoke Portuguese.

00:54:21.740 I'm thinking this is our immigration system.

00:54:23.660 But the first thing is the border patrol said was, I want to thank you for coming down here.

00:54:29.420 Gavin Newsom has never been to the southern border.

00:54:33.220 Wow.

00:54:33.340 Is that true?

00:54:34.120 I didn't know that.

00:54:35.660 I didn't.

00:54:36.140 The border agents are telling me this.

00:54:38.020 And I go, you know, talk about Kamala Harris not going to the border.

00:54:42.660 Gavin Newsom.

00:54:43.780 The southern border is such an issue.

00:54:45.840 We need to close that border.

00:54:47.380 We need legal immigration to this country.

00:54:50.280 What about covid?

00:54:51.460 Because I was surprised to see that in recent polls, the voters in California are apparently

00:54:55.560 giving him strong marks on how he has handled the pandemic even better than his overall approval

00:55:03.460 rating, which I have to say, Caitlin, shocked me given that California has been locked down

00:55:07.780 heaven or hell, depending on your POV.

00:55:10.960 The schools didn't open all year long.

00:55:14.140 He's flouted his own policies over and over.

00:55:16.860 How can he be polling well on his handling of the pandemic?

00:55:22.280 Well, first of all, the the pandemic here in California has been used as a political tool

00:55:29.280 to shut this state down, shut schools down.

00:55:33.040 Other governors have done it different ways and been very successful.

00:55:39.300 Well, there is that delicate balance between the pandemic and the economy and public health.

00:55:46.800 He used it as a tool to shut everything down.

00:55:50.040 Honestly, the teachers union was controlling as far as keeping the schools closed.

00:55:54.000 It wasn't Gavin Newsom as much as it was the teachers union.

00:55:58.280 They got paid all year long.

00:56:00.140 They schools were not open in this 22 to 2.2 million people voted on this recall, wrote

00:56:11.840 in for this recall.

00:56:13.480 And I guarantee you, the majority of them were mothers and parents, fathers of kids who have

00:56:21.540 been locked out of school for a year, who lost a year of education, lost a year of socializing,

00:56:26.700 a year of sports.

00:56:27.600 Those are the greatest times in your life.

00:56:30.000 And the kids are the least vulnerable to this disease.

00:56:34.960 And but he used it as a political tool.

00:56:36.720 Because why?

00:56:37.140 Because the teachers union said he needed to do that.

00:56:40.520 And that's what he does.

00:56:42.100 He's all about, you know, they they shut our schools down while he's dining at the French

00:56:48.380 Laundry with with all his special interest people.

00:56:52.560 The hypocrisy of Gavin Newsom is just unbelievable.

00:56:56.060 So you're not in favor of vaccine mandates, mask mandates, or you tell me, are you?

00:57:02.580 Yes.

00:57:03.220 This is the way I would handle mask mandates.

00:57:05.780 As governor, there would be no statewide mask mandates.

00:57:10.640 I would leave that decision up to the counties on the local level.

00:57:14.000 I am sure the conditions in Los Angeles County are a lot different than a county up near Mount

00:57:21.660 Shasta.

00:57:22.820 I think the local counties can decide what they want to do when it comes to mask mandates.

00:57:28.280 And I also believe in the freedom of a business that they have the right to choose whether they

00:57:34.540 want to have mask mandates in their facility or not.

00:57:37.740 That is their decision.

00:57:39.200 And I respect that.

00:57:41.120 They may find out that, let's say it was a restaurant, if there's mask mandates there,

00:57:45.820 some people might feel more comfortable, might be better for business there.

00:57:49.960 Others feel like, well, we don't need a mask mandate.

00:57:53.080 That's their decision.

00:57:54.220 And people might feel more comfortable and they get more business that way.

00:57:57.100 Um, but I leave that up to, uh, the businesses to decide.

00:58:01.600 What if, what, speaking of choice, uh, on the issue of choice, you gave an interview the

00:58:05.460 other day where you were saying you support a woman's right to choose, but you also support

00:58:10.320 the Texas law that's been in the news this week, uh, effectively banning abortion after

00:58:16.800 the sixth week of pregnancy with no exceptions for the health or for, for the, for rape or

00:58:22.720 incest.

00:58:23.300 So how can you square those two positions?

00:58:25.800 Well, I swear the two positions is one is a political issue and I believe in state rights.

00:58:30.800 Um, I think that's extremely important, uh, in our, in our democratic Republic we have.

00:58:37.280 Um, I think that's extremely important.

00:58:39.580 So I respect their right to do what they think is right for Texas.

00:58:44.160 Um, I have, because I've been on the campaign trail, I haven't really read the whole thing.

00:58:49.720 I've just seen newscasts and who knows how that is, but, um, but I respect their right

00:58:55.360 to do something, um, uh, as far as my own personal, I am, I'm, I'm, I'm for a woman's

00:59:02.060 right to choose.

00:59:03.140 Uh, I think that's really important, uh, here in California, uh, in the future, I see no

00:59:08.660 change to, uh, our abortion policies.

00:59:11.760 Um, and, um, we move on kind of to the next subject.

00:59:16.580 So you think it should be decided on a state by state basis?

00:59:19.900 Yes, I, I certainly, it should be in the hands of the state.

00:59:23.380 Um, so would you, would you like to see Roe versus Wade overturned?

00:59:27.300 Yeah.

00:59:28.160 Would, would you then like to see Roe versus Wade overturned?

00:59:30.420 Would you effectively recognize it as a federal issue?

00:59:32.800 Uh, I don't want to even get into that right now.

00:59:36.400 Well, you have to, you have to, you're right.

00:59:39.120 No, no, um, uh, I am fine with Roe versus Wade, uh, as it is.

00:59:44.880 Um, and so, um, we'll leave it at that.

00:59:47.640 But if an individual state, state rights are important.

00:59:51.500 No, but if you, if you, if it's a federal right, then the states don't have the right

00:59:54.940 to, to, to change it.

00:59:56.320 If there, if you have a federal right to have an abortion prior to when the child is viable,

01:00:00.480 you can't have a state law like Texas is.

01:00:02.860 That's, that's the very, that's at the heart of the legal issue going up.

01:00:06.440 We will see how that one turns out.

01:00:08.920 I'm sure this one's going to be in court for a long time.

01:00:12.380 What about, you know, you've been mentioning, you went down to the border and you, and you,

01:00:15.660 you know, been traveling the state.

01:00:16.900 You've been getting hit for also traveling out to Australia to star in Celebrity Big Brother.

01:00:21.860 And I know you've said it's, it's a commitment that you made professionally that you felt the

01:00:26.240 need to honor, but boy, people have made a lot of that in the press.

01:00:30.320 Saying that she doesn't really want to be governor.

01:00:32.420 This is a publicity stunt.

01:00:34.820 Here's here's of course.

01:00:37.300 Yeah.

01:00:37.800 The press, the press is amazing.

01:00:39.720 Everybody has a job who's running for governor.

01:00:42.940 I mean, Gavin Newsom's out there campaigning every day, but it actually, he's got a job

01:00:46.840 in Sacramento.

01:00:48.120 Larry Elder still on the air.

01:00:50.680 Yeah.

01:00:51.160 Everybody has a job and I have a job and I've been in the entertainment business for a very

01:00:56.880 long time.

01:00:57.820 I made this commitment a long time ago before I decided to run for governor.

01:01:01.880 I went to Australia.

01:01:04.260 I was in constant contact with my campaign.

01:01:08.320 I did interviews from down there.

01:01:10.840 The only time I was out is actually, I went for a week and while I was in the house, obviously

01:01:16.240 you could have no phones, but that was the only time I was not in contact.

01:01:19.480 I got out after a week, got on the first plane out of town, got back here two weeks before

01:01:24.860 ballads dropped.

01:01:26.020 And I haven't, I have not stopped since that, since I came back.

01:01:30.980 How, how did it go?

01:01:32.140 Who else was in the big brother house with you?

01:01:34.940 Are you allowed to tell us?

01:01:37.800 Ooh.

01:01:40.640 Amorosa.

01:01:41.120 Oh, she's always fun.

01:01:44.940 Oh boy.

01:01:47.440 Yes.

01:01:48.080 It was very interesting having Amorosa in there.

01:01:52.200 Yes.

01:01:52.560 OMG.

01:01:53.080 Oh, she can, she can make her points clear.

01:01:56.580 Let's put it that way.

01:01:57.500 I've interviewed her many times.

01:01:58.820 Yeah.

01:01:59.820 Spend some time.

01:02:00.840 Yeah.

01:02:01.280 The people in Australia, because it's only shown in Australia, will have to watch.

01:02:05.080 It's yeah, it's, it's actually pretty funny.

01:02:08.620 All right.

01:02:09.280 So I, I want to ask you about, uh, your call for Larry Elder to drop out since we had him

01:02:14.780 on the show.

01:02:15.420 I want to get into the Olympics and how woke these athletes have gotten.

01:02:19.740 And then I want to ask you whether you think it was a good idea to tell your own children,

01:02:23.640 all of whom, most of whom are very, very, very famous and popular not to get out there

01:02:27.800 and campaign for you.

01:02:28.800 We're going to pick it up there.

01:02:34.200 All right, Caitlin.

01:02:34.920 So let me start with Larry Elder, uh, because you tweeted out women, no less than men about

01:02:40.160 political issues, economics, and current events.

01:02:42.820 You're quoting him at Larry Elder drop out.

01:02:45.780 Now you are not what California wants, let alone what we need.

01:02:48.680 I'm the proud father of very powerful, intelligent, successful women.

01:02:52.880 You're as bad as Gavin Newsom towards women.

01:02:55.880 Um, do you stand by that?

01:02:57.880 A little shot across his bow.

01:02:59.800 Um, there has been things that have come out about Larry, to be honest with you, really

01:03:05.420 honest.

01:03:06.060 I think in a lot of ways, and I'll explain this, uh, Larry Elder kind of helps Gavin Newsom

01:03:12.300 win the recall.

01:03:13.840 Um, if you see the ads that are going on right now in California, uh, it's the California,

01:03:19.780 it's the Republican recall.

01:03:21.820 And with the right wing, hard right wing, you know, Larry Elder, we can't do this.

01:03:29.280 Um, and we have so many, a couple of weeks ago, it was like 53% of the voters were undecided.

01:03:38.280 Out of that, about 90% of them were Democrats and about 10% independents.

01:03:43.500 Um, certainly Larry Elder, if you get the hard right wing side of it.

01:03:47.440 Uh, but I can't see Democrats, uh, voting for a Larry Elder.

01:03:53.260 I can't see independents voting for a Larry Elder.

01:03:56.040 He's too far right.

01:03:57.780 Uh, that's why I come in as a moderate Republican, uh, because I have conservative economic values.

01:04:03.820 That's why I'm a Republican, but also being moderate, I'm inclusive to all people when

01:04:08.780 it comes to social issues, like more Cal, I think that's the way more Californians think

01:04:14.080 California should be.

01:04:15.700 I mean, we all want a vibrant economy.

01:04:18.540 We all want jobs.

01:04:19.940 Every Democrat, independent, Republican doesn't make any difference.

01:04:24.040 We want a vibrant economy and that's what we need to build, but we also have to be inclusive

01:04:28.500 to all people.

01:04:29.880 So if a lot of the allegations that these women have come up against Larry Elder, um, yeah,

01:04:36.000 I think he should seriously look at, um, what he's doing right now.

01:04:40.540 Um, if he were to get in, oh my gosh, I mean, look what happened to Trump for four years,

01:04:48.220 uh, allegations that weren't even true.

01:04:51.640 They led all the way to impeachment over a phone call.

01:04:54.480 Um, Larry Elder's, you know, brings in a lot of baggage and, um,

01:05:00.440 Well, so do you.

01:05:01.200 So does everyone.

01:05:01.960 They all have, everybody has baggage if he got in, but let me ask you about, about that

01:05:07.640 particular comment, right?

01:05:09.120 Women know less than men about political issues, economics, and current events.

01:05:12.040 And that's what you said, led you to say drop out.

01:05:13.780 I mean, do you know why he said that?

01:05:16.920 Or did you go back and look at the article in which he said that?

01:05:19.780 Uh, no, I just saw a lady on camera, um, a former girlfriend, uh, or I think fiance saying

01:05:27.580 not good things about Larry.

01:05:29.260 Uh, I don't know if it's true.

01:05:30.780 I mean, obviously that has to be investigated.

01:05:33.200 Uh, but if it is true, um, uh, yeah, personally he's, he's, he's got some things I think, uh,

01:05:40.620 that it could be damaging to him.

01:05:42.420 Yeah, but aren't you doing to him what, you know, the, the woke warriors do to virtually

01:05:48.180 everybody.

01:05:48.620 It doesn't matter if you're a Republican or a Democrat, frankly, they'll come for you

01:05:51.680 just if an allegation gets swung your way.

01:05:54.000 And, and I'll tell you, I don't know whether this woman may the ex-girlfriend's allegations

01:05:59.040 are true or not.

01:05:59.940 She's making them in the context of a political campaign in which she, she supports one of

01:06:03.960 his opponents on the GOP side.

01:06:06.220 And she waited until now to file this police report, which is not being prosecuted because

01:06:10.160 the statute of limitations has expired.

01:06:11.840 But he's denied it.

01:06:13.480 And, and basically what she alleges was a misdemeanor in showing her a gun.

01:06:18.100 Um, but the, the comment that you cited women, no less than men about political issues, economics,

01:06:23.240 and current events.

01:06:24.000 And I just went over this with him and I looked at it myself.

01:06:26.060 It's from a study at the Annenberg school of the university of Pennsylvania that came

01:06:30.720 out regularly and that was authored by a woman.

01:06:33.400 And that has been cited by many, many women trying to take a hard look at why there are

01:06:37.620 gender gaps in political knowledge.

01:06:39.120 And, and it, it's an issue.

01:06:41.380 It's been an issue over the years.

01:06:43.380 It doesn't make it sexist for him to repeat what a study concluded.

01:06:48.760 It doesn't, doesn't mean he was celebrating it.

01:06:51.180 It's, it was him saying, this is a thing.

01:06:53.920 And let me tell you why.

01:06:55.780 And he cited a woman saying it's because they're too reliant on local news, which you cannot

01:06:59.740 trust.

01:07:00.220 So to me, this is you sort of, um, you know, you swung and maybe missed on this because

01:07:05.400 I don't know that this one's a fair attack.

01:07:07.840 Does that sound fair or what?

01:07:10.260 Yes, it does sound fair.

01:07:11.620 First of all, me as an individual, I am 100% for women's rights.

01:07:16.080 I think women, uh, uh, honestly, I've always been with very strong women.

01:07:23.140 Um, I have, that is true.

01:07:25.940 We know that.

01:07:27.000 That's true.

01:07:27.640 Yes.

01:07:28.120 And my children are all very strong entrepreneurial.

01:07:31.740 Uh, I encourage that through their, you know, when they were growing up, um, I always told

01:07:38.340 them the ability to grow is directly related to the amount of insecurity you can take in

01:07:43.360 your life.

01:07:43.880 And I, I love that statement just because you've got to take chances in life.

01:07:49.540 And my kids took chances, um, in business personally, all of that, they, they've always

01:07:55.560 taken chances and, and I applaud them for that.

01:07:58.060 And I think they can learn all women can learn a lesson from that.

01:08:01.640 So yeah, I am all for women's rights.

01:08:03.960 I have 100% respect for these women and what they've been able to accomplish and also for

01:08:09.900 the individual right now.

01:08:11.360 Yeah, we have more private citizens running for public office than ever in history.

01:08:16.920 And honestly, I think that's a good thing.

01:08:19.580 I'm an outsider.

01:08:21.120 Um, I'm not, you know, I didn't, I'm not responsible for one tax where the highest taste, uh, the

01:08:27.720 highest, uh, tax rates in the nation.

01:08:30.240 I'm not responsible for that.

01:08:31.980 And we have most, we have 21.2 million words of regulations in the state of California.

01:08:37.280 We're the most regulated state in the nation where we were 49th out of 50 as a business

01:08:42.820 friendly environment, but good old Gavin Newsom got us to 50.

01:08:46.180 And so now we're the worst state in the nation to do business in, in this state.

01:08:50.740 And honestly, it just shouldn't be that way.

01:08:54.180 We, we have to change it.

01:08:55.780 We have the greatest workforce out here.

01:08:57.620 We got the greatest weather out here.

01:08:59.380 We've got, um, you know, the greatest beaches, you name it.

01:09:03.120 I mean, California is the place to live, but unfortunately it's become unlivable and, and

01:09:08.980 it's impossible to do business in this state.

01:09:12.100 Now, speaking of your daughters and beauty, um, at least two by my count of your children

01:09:18.200 are now billionaires, uh, according to the magazines Forbes fortune and so on.

01:09:22.980 So I wonder whether this relieves any of the burden you feel when it comes to possible elder

01:09:27.620 care in your life.

01:09:29.060 What is that like for you?

01:09:30.340 You look around at the amazing kids that you've raised and to see that level of success.

01:09:36.760 Well, I'm extraordinarily proud.

01:09:40.160 They did it, uh, with being really smart and a lot of hard work on my kids.

01:09:45.860 Is Kylie 20, 21?

01:09:47.800 How old is she now?

01:09:48.660 Uh, no, she's actually now 23.

01:09:51.780 Such an old lady.

01:09:53.400 She's so, but she made, she was a billionaire before 21.

01:09:55.900 She just turned, hold it.

01:09:56.840 We just had the birthday.

01:09:57.800 She just turned 24.

01:09:58.960 I can't keep them all straight.

01:10:00.460 Yeah.

01:10:00.720 She's, uh, she just turned 24 and, uh, uh, yeah, she's, uh, done very well.

01:10:06.760 She's worked very well for herself.

01:10:07.720 She's worked very hard, been very smart and I couldn't be more proud of her.

01:10:12.360 Yes.

01:10:12.880 It's amazing.

01:10:13.640 And she's expecting a new baby.

01:10:14.740 All the kids are like that.

01:10:16.120 You know, Kim started working when she was like 17, 18 years old.

01:10:20.180 Um, she was starting her own businesses.

01:10:22.380 Uh, she's done that all her life.

01:10:24.380 Uh, uh, she's, you know, a phenomenal, phenomenal person.

01:10:28.820 Now, Kylie's expecting a new baby, which she did come out and announce, uh, yesterday officially,

01:10:33.180 but I'm told you may have, you may have let that cat out of the bag inadvertently a few

01:10:38.360 days beforehand.

01:10:40.220 No, I didn't let it out.

01:10:42.200 I have another one.

01:10:43.900 I said, I was, Oh, I was, as I travel around the state, I was up, uh, with the forest service

01:10:50.180 up at the fires and, um, talking about fire prevention and what's wrong with our forests

01:10:55.620 and why are they burning and what are the resources you have?

01:10:59.040 What more do you need?

01:11:00.420 And spent a day and a half up there.

01:11:02.780 And it was, uh, really great.

01:11:04.140 Well, I was walking through the woods, some reporters going with me and says, you know,

01:11:08.640 what about all your grandkids?

01:11:09.920 I said, yeah.

01:11:10.980 And I said, I got another one on the way, meaning my other son.

01:11:14.460 Ah, okay.

01:11:15.580 Okay.

01:11:15.980 Meaning my other son.

01:11:17.520 But of course, TMZ got ahold of that.

01:11:19.600 And, uh, yeah, sometimes you get in trouble because she had not announced it yet.

01:11:25.100 And, uh, I didn't know she, I, I wasn't even referring to her.

01:11:29.940 So, okay.

01:11:30.460 Well, as you say, 10 children, there's, there's a lot to keep track of.

01:11:34.520 Um, okay.

01:11:35.480 So let me ask you, let's, let's shift gears and talk about the Olympics because you re-referenced

01:11:39.460 your time taking on the Russians, uh, as, as, you know, evidence that you can take on the

01:11:44.160 teachers union.

01:11:44.980 And you did, you, you made us all proud in 1976 and won gold and set all sorts of world

01:11:49.680 records that just were stunning, stunning.

01:11:52.400 Um, so I wonder, because I, what I read is that you were the person who started the tradition

01:11:58.440 of running with an American flag after a win.

01:12:01.900 And I thought of you as I watch people like Gwen Berry turn her back on the flag when she

01:12:07.100 was in the Olympic trials.

01:12:08.140 And as I see people like Megan Rapinoe, Neil disrespecting the flag and how the flag has

01:12:13.440 now become a, a partisan, a political thing.

01:12:16.920 And it's, Oh yeah.

01:12:18.640 The dog doesn't agree with any of this.

01:12:21.480 Somebody came to the door.

01:12:24.580 Keep going.

01:12:26.380 So what, what's your feeling on the woke Olympians and athletes who are, who are disrespecting

01:12:33.040 our flag?

01:12:34.260 Yeah.

01:12:34.580 You know what?

01:12:35.180 Um, I was, I was disappointed.

01:12:38.080 Uh, I have a couple of friends that were going to the games.

01:12:41.200 And when I competed back in 1976, the games were just so special.

01:12:46.040 I mean, patriotism was at its height.

01:12:48.980 Uh, you're right.

01:12:49.960 I was the first person to ever have an American flag at the finish line.

01:12:53.640 And cause I'm so proud of my country and I was proud of the accomplishment.

01:12:58.020 Um, but to see, I felt so sorry for Tokyo.

01:13:01.360 I don't think it was their fault.

01:13:03.280 Uh, it was supposed to be in 2020.

01:13:05.560 Uh, it was going to be a great Olympic games, but obviously COVID hit and that didn't happen.

01:13:10.000 And, and with empty stands, it just, I felt sorry for a lot of the athletes and it's certainly

01:13:15.960 this woke thing, um, uh, is disappointing.

01:13:21.180 Uh, I'm so proud of my country.

01:13:24.340 I love this country.

01:13:25.360 I'm proud of my flag.

01:13:26.440 I'm proud of our military, proud of the people, uh, of not only California, but this entire

01:13:31.700 country.

01:13:32.500 Uh, and to see people disrespect that, uh, yeah, that really bothers me.

01:13:37.760 Um, and, uh, we are the greatest nation in the world.

01:13:42.300 Uh, no question about it.

01:13:44.660 We are the, you know, not only the greatest nation in the world, California is the greatest

01:13:48.440 state and it's just crumbling.

01:13:51.240 And, um, I hate to see that happen.

01:13:53.920 I don't want that to happen.

01:13:55.540 And that's why I'm running for governor.

01:13:57.540 Uh, I want to change things.

01:13:59.100 I want to be an inspiration to people.

01:14:00.960 You know what?

01:14:02.420 If you don't like what's happening in your, you know, school system, don't just go to

01:14:07.780 the school board meeting.

01:14:08.940 And we see a lot of these videos out there and complain what's happening.

01:14:12.760 Run for the school board, get in a position of power.

01:14:15.480 If you don't like what's happening here in town, run for city council, run for mayor, get

01:14:19.920 in a position of power so you can change something here.

01:14:22.940 Uh, and don't just sit back and complain about it.

01:14:25.800 I don't want to move from California.

01:14:27.640 You know, I may be forced to move at some point.

01:14:30.340 I don't know, but I don't want to move from California.

01:14:33.000 This is my home.

01:14:33.780 I've been here for 48 years.

01:14:35.620 So many of my friends have left and honestly, I can't blame them.

01:14:39.300 And so many of my friends' business have failed because of Gavin Newsom shutting this

01:14:43.440 state down, um, for the last over a year now.

01:14:47.140 Um, I don't want that to happen.

01:14:48.920 We need to change things and people need to stand up and I'm standing up.

01:14:53.000 Well, this is why I respect you because as you pointed out earlier,

01:14:57.040 you don't have to do this.

01:14:58.660 You, you had a lot of success in your life, a lot of wealth.

01:15:02.060 You could be sitting back just enjoying.

01:15:04.560 I mean, it's unbelievable to me that you're now like 71.

01:15:07.660 It's like incredible.

01:15:08.720 You look amazing.

01:15:09.460 You've achieved a lot, but you're kind of like, you're kind of like Trump in this way,

01:15:14.300 right?

01:15:14.520 You didn't, he didn't have to do it.

01:15:16.380 You don't have to do this.

01:15:17.620 You obviously want to make a difference.

01:15:20.180 Honestly, it goes for a love of country.

01:15:22.100 Um, my grandfather fought in world war one.

01:15:25.600 It was honestly, he was in the dead pile.

01:15:27.700 They thought he was dead.

01:15:28.760 And a guy goes walking by and he hears a moan.

01:15:31.260 He says, Oh my God, there's somebody so alive in here and dug them out.

01:15:34.320 He went on to live a good life.

01:15:36.240 My father, same way.

01:15:37.620 My dad, when he was 19 years old, world war two was breaking out and he wanted to fight

01:15:42.200 and he joined the army, uh, fifth range of Italian, uh, went to England to train and was

01:15:48.320 the first boats on Omaha beach, uh, 360 poor guys in his division.

01:15:54.300 60 came back alive, not just injured alive.

01:15:57.920 He got purple hearts.

01:15:59.560 Um, and he's buried at Arlington.

01:16:02.440 Uh, this, you know, there's a reason why they call that generation, the greatest generation

01:16:06.400 because they were, and, um, he's buried at Arlington with all his war buddies.

01:16:12.500 And to be honest with you, if he could see what is happening, not just to this state,

01:16:16.880 but what's happening to this country, um, he would be absolutely devastated when everybody

01:16:22.060 around him died for our freedom.

01:16:23.940 And that was a big reason for me saying, Hey, maybe it's my turn to stand up.

01:16:29.560 Um, I still got a lot of life left in me.

01:16:32.420 Um, I think I have what California is looking for with a moderate Republican.

01:16:37.240 And, um, you know, I'm excited to do this.

01:16:39.680 It's been, I've met some of the greatest people out on the campaign trail.

01:16:44.840 I mean, really good, solid American, solid Californians and people that I want to associate

01:16:51.040 with and hang out with.

01:16:52.840 Um, and it's been an amazing process, no matter what happens.

01:16:56.720 Most important thing is we got to get Gavin Newsom out of there.

01:16:59.960 If we don't get him out of there, they will be emboldened and they'll crack down on us even

01:17:05.680 harder.

01:17:06.460 I mean, I've watched you all along and I've seen, you've taken so much guff from, from

01:17:10.860 various pockets, right?

01:17:12.160 And I've heard you say you've taken more flack for being a conservative Republican than for

01:17:17.660 being a transgender person.

01:17:19.680 And I have no trouble believing that.

01:17:23.180 How has that manifested in your life?

01:17:26.500 Well, you know, I, I have my own beliefs.

01:17:29.680 I'm a strong person.

01:17:31.540 Um, I have been around a long time.

01:17:34.800 Um, I study a lot of different things and, uh, uh, I have my beliefs and I've always been

01:17:43.000 that way.

01:17:44.280 And being, I've always been on the Republican side just because of my economic values.

01:17:49.460 I believe in less government, um, and business and, you know, personal life.

01:17:54.720 Uh, and, and that's changing so quickly here over, especially over the last few years, it's

01:17:59.880 accelerating.

01:18:01.180 And I, I, I want my kids.

01:18:04.440 I, not only my children, but right now I got 18 grandchildren.

01:18:09.600 Oh my goodness.

01:18:10.740 I got at two on the way and I want to, I want them to grow up in the America.

01:18:17.460 Uh, I grew up with, you know, the other day I went to a meeting, uh, with, it's called

01:18:22.520 the new majority.

01:18:23.460 It's a Republican, uh, group down in orange County.

01:18:27.020 And when I went there, uh, the first thing we did is they put the American flag up and

01:18:32.180 we put our hands on our heart and we said the pledge of allegiance.

01:18:35.600 And I'm standing there saying the pledge of allegiance.

01:18:37.620 And I'm thinking to myself, I have not said the pledge of allegiance in so long.

01:18:44.040 When I grew up in school, you used to stand up and say the pledge of allegiance.

01:18:47.460 You know, me too.

01:18:48.520 And you know what?

01:18:50.360 It just felt so good.

01:18:52.260 I wound up joining the organization.

01:18:53.820 I said, Hey, you got me.

01:18:55.140 I'm, I'm on your team.

01:18:56.640 We need that.

01:18:57.560 We need, we are the greatest nation in the world and we are the greatest people in the

01:19:01.280 world.

01:19:01.960 Uh, and, uh, uh, we need to be really proud of that.

01:19:06.380 You know, I wonder whether you think, I don't know, is, is the world ready?

01:19:11.180 Is California ready for a transgender governor?

01:19:14.480 Is that an issue?

01:19:15.240 Because I, I saw Candace Owens say that I'm quoting here.

01:19:19.920 I cannot support Caitlyn Jenner for governor because Caitlyn believes in the deception that

01:19:23.920 men can be women and women can be men.

01:19:25.880 There's no bigger lie right now going around in society.

01:19:29.380 And I, and I love Candace Owens, but I understand she, she feels this way.

01:19:33.260 And there, there are a fair amount of conservatives who, who share that view.

01:19:36.760 I think, yeah, I think I need to do her show every time I'm around anybody that I've never

01:19:45.020 met her.

01:19:45.860 Uh, I watch her all the time.

01:19:47.300 I think she's great.

01:19:48.100 She's very conservative.

01:19:49.760 Um, and, but I think I need to do her show because every time I'm around people, people

01:19:54.260 get such a different impression of who I am and even the issues that I've had to deal

01:19:59.140 with all my life, they get a very different, uh, uh, uh, feeling about me.

01:20:04.880 And once they get to know me, uh, their, their thoughts change.

01:20:09.900 Um, I'm, I'm like, everybody's, I put it this way.

01:20:13.920 Everybody's got stuff in life.

01:20:16.400 Everybody's got things they have to deal with.

01:20:18.720 This just happens to be my stuff.

01:20:20.880 And this is how I dealt with it to make this short journey we have on this earth, the best

01:20:28.520 it can possibly be.

01:20:30.000 And not only for myself, but number one, for my family.

01:20:33.860 And in this case, for the state of California, um, I want to help.

01:20:37.720 I want to make things better.

01:20:39.360 So, um, yeah, once they meet me, I, I, I need to do Candace's show.

01:20:44.640 I think you've been very brave.

01:20:46.120 I mean, you've been pretty outspoken on the, you know, trans girls.

01:20:49.760 It's not fair for them to compete against biological girls, uh, in a lot of these circumstances

01:20:54.800 and that, and you get hit by the LGBTQ community.

01:20:57.420 Sometimes you get hit by Democrats.

01:20:59.440 Sometimes you get hit by Republicans, but you know what?

01:21:01.500 You must be doing something right.

01:21:02.440 Cause you're getting hit by all those people.

01:21:04.040 You're stirring up pots.

01:21:06.220 Well, Megan, unfortunately I have wide shoulders.

01:21:09.340 I have broad shoulders.

01:21:11.080 It's a whole other story, Megan, but, um, uh, yeah, they're going to come out.

01:21:15.760 I thought about that.

01:21:16.920 I mean, California has never had a woman governor, let alone a trans woman.

01:21:21.640 Um, and, uh, maybe I, uh, and so maybe I can kind of help that bridge and get, uh, a good

01:21:29.400 woman up in Sacramento.

01:21:30.860 That's what we need to fix this state.

01:21:33.140 Well, we are going to be watching over the next week as we close in now on the final days

01:21:36.700 of this race.

01:21:37.940 Caitlin Jenner, what a pleasure.

01:21:39.540 Thank you so much.

01:21:40.660 It's always a pleasure talking to you, Megan.

01:21:43.380 All right.

01:21:43.820 Up next, we're taking calls.

01:21:45.340 Is your school skipping the pledge?

01:21:47.280 Like Caitlin just talked about is your school saying the pledge.

01:21:50.120 That's probably a better way to put it in today's day and age.

01:21:52.260 Let us know by calling us at eight, three, three, four, four M E G Y N.

01:21:57.280 That's eight, three, three, four, four, six, three, four, nine, six.

01:22:01.480 And we're still taking calls.

01:22:03.060 So you can get in the queue right now and we'll talk.

01:22:06.420 I want to bring you a feature we have here on the MK show called real talk, where we just

01:22:10.600 kick around an issue that's in the news that we want to talk to you about.

01:22:13.280 And today that's the NFL because, uh, we're, we're about to get into NFL season.

01:22:18.020 Again, the first game is on Thursday.

01:22:19.560 And Steve Krakauer, my executive producer is with me.

01:22:23.700 So we're going to talk about it.

01:22:24.760 But, um, the, the plan now, Steve, this year is that they're going to allow six social justice

01:22:31.180 messages on players helmets.

01:22:34.420 Uh, and they have to choose from the, one of the following six and racism, stop hate.

01:22:39.980 It takes all of us black lives matter, inspire change and say their stories.

01:22:47.060 So all of these are, all of these are for the most part are, are race-based little different

01:22:50.700 from last season when they were allowed to display messages like stop hate and black lives

01:22:54.540 matter on their helmets.

01:22:55.420 And they were allowed to have the names of black people who'd been killed by police, such

01:22:59.580 as George Floyd and Brianna Taylor on their helmets.

01:23:02.420 They can also have slogans in the end zone.

01:23:04.280 I, I feel like this is still not going to go over well.

01:23:07.420 I don't think people want politics in their sports.

01:23:10.120 I think that's why the NBA has taken such a hit and learned from its prior experience.

01:23:14.360 The NFL doesn't seem to be learning quite as quickly.

01:23:17.400 Right.

01:23:17.740 In 2020, they had the names on the jerseys, you know, they changed the players' names

01:23:22.280 to, to right across their jersey.

01:23:24.240 Uh, now, you know, then they went away from that the next season, the entire season that

01:23:27.760 we just went through, no, you know, none of those social justice messages on the players'

01:23:32.160 jerseys.

01:23:33.000 NFL is sort of trailing that a little bit, but what's interesting about the NFL, I think

01:23:36.700 is that as a league, they have not necessarily embraced all of these sort of the social justice,

01:23:43.020 I would say more divisiveness, um, as the NBA has as a league, you know, certainly certain

01:23:48.580 players have, but not as, I think for that reason, I mean, the ratings are crushing it

01:23:52.780 in the NFL.

01:23:53.240 And I would imagine starting tomorrow night with the Cowboys and, uh, and the Bucks

01:23:56.900 and Tom Brady, it's going to be crushing it again.

01:23:59.300 I'm sure they've been doing better than like the, the NBA did.

01:24:02.260 That's for sure.

01:24:03.160 Uh, but I also think that the people are holding their noses and, and stomaching this.

01:24:08.240 I don't think that the average American black or white wants to hear the black national

01:24:12.280 anthem before they hear the national anthem.

01:24:14.120 I really don't.

01:24:14.920 And it's not, and it's no offense against people of color.

01:24:17.100 It's we're one country.

01:24:18.800 We're one country.

01:24:19.960 We don't need separate anthems.

01:24:21.780 It's a, it's a chance to come together, celebrate America, all of it, good, bad warts

01:24:27.020 and all, and then play a sports game and not to shove politics or divisive cultural issues

01:24:32.260 down the throats of the viewers who are looking for a getaway.

01:24:35.260 Right.

01:24:35.540 And I think that, that we've, we've, we've seen that in sort of, in some of the polling

01:24:39.320 as well, I wonder a lot, you know, NFL, you think of, yes, people like to watch their

01:24:43.940 teams.

01:24:44.420 There's definitely that fantasy football gambling.

01:24:47.620 I wonder how much of it, as you talk about kind of holding your nose is like, look, I

01:24:51.120 don't care about anything else other than how are my players doing?

01:24:53.980 Let me just, you know, see what the, if I'm betting on this game, how they're doing.

01:24:57.220 It's an insane industry.

01:24:58.500 Gambling has been rising across the nation.

01:25:00.540 I think now up to 20 States are legalized it or, or on the track to legalize it.

01:25:05.560 So, so how much of it is kind of like, yeah, we don't really, we're not supportive of this

01:25:09.380 sign of messaging and we're just going to, we're just going to really kind of laser focus

01:25:12.720 on the game that we care most about.

01:25:14.480 It's funny.

01:25:14.820 Cause I talked to Clay Travis on this show one time about his love of sports and I love

01:25:18.680 outkick.com, even though I'm not a sports person, I love to read outkick and by the

01:25:23.060 way on outkick.

01:25:24.020 Thank you very much.

01:25:24.900 Yeah.

01:25:25.000 I sat with Bobby Brack and we got into everything yesterday.

01:25:27.860 Um, but I, he was explaining to me why so many men in particular, but women too, love,

01:25:33.460 love, love sports.

01:25:34.140 And he was saying, it's like, it's Sunday.

01:25:35.860 I've had a tough week.

01:25:37.180 I sit down in front of the tube.

01:25:38.500 I got a beer for two hours.

01:25:40.660 I just get to sit and enjoy myself and like all my troubles melt away.

01:25:43.420 And I was like, this is an aha moment for me.

01:25:45.900 This is, that's how I feel when I watch the real housewives.

01:25:48.560 That's just like the same thing.

01:25:50.420 And I do not want to see little messages about the me too movement in front of my real housewives

01:25:56.200 programming.

01:25:56.960 I don't want those women talking about politics at all.

01:26:00.980 Right.

01:26:01.300 Right.

01:26:01.680 Totally.

01:26:01.980 And that's, that's also the thing is like, look, basketball players, even I think basketball

01:26:06.700 players, I believe the stat was somewhere like eight or nine of the top 10 most followed

01:26:12.240 on social media athletes are, are NBA players.

01:26:15.760 So the athletes themselves have made themselves in the NBA part of the story, part of, if you

01:26:20.620 will, kind of the, the soap opera, like, like the real housewives, whereas the NFL major

01:26:25.220 league baseball, even much less so than that.

01:26:27.920 It's really about the team.

01:26:29.100 It's really about the game.

01:26:30.240 And obviously, you know, players want to kind of have a voice also, and there are, there's

01:26:33.540 certainly on social media, but you talk about it as, yeah, people just want to sit back and

01:26:37.660 watch the game.

01:26:38.260 They want to watch their, their stories, you know, and, and for many, you know, sports

01:26:42.080 fans, myself included, who likes to dabble a little Bailey fantasy fantasy football as

01:26:46.860 well, you know, that's what we, that's what we're into for it.

01:26:49.760 Oh, can I tell you, we were in, um, as you know, I was at the Jersey shore for the summer

01:26:53.260 and we went to Atlantic city a couple of times.

01:26:55.400 And I, one time I went with my brother and my brother has a system when he plays blackjack.

01:27:00.240 It was amazing, Steve.

01:27:01.800 So we had to go to a $15 minimum table.

01:27:04.020 Cause that's all that was open.

01:27:05.300 You know, they, they don't, they don't make it easy.

01:27:07.500 It's not like the $5 tables are everywhere.

01:27:09.780 They were nowhere, frankly, but anyway, so 15 bucks down.

01:27:12.480 Then if he wins, the next bet is $30 down.

01:27:15.480 Then if he wins that you take half.

01:27:17.420 So it's another 15.

01:27:18.320 So it's $45 down.

01:27:20.260 Then if he wins that it's another half of that down.

01:27:22.960 And the pile just continues to grow.

01:27:24.920 If you're doing it, you know, if you're, if you're lucky and you're doing it right.

01:27:28.740 I leave the table cause I was losing for 20 minutes, 25 minutes.

01:27:32.920 I come back.

01:27:33.900 He's had 13 straight hands in a row winning and the table had a $500 minimum.

01:27:38.980 So he couldn't actually follow through his system or maximum.

01:27:41.280 So he couldn't follow, but he won 3,700 bucks in 20.

01:27:45.540 I'm just saying, like, I was like, I'm going to take gambling a little bit more seriously.

01:27:49.580 I'm going to, I'm going to try harder.

01:27:50.760 Fantasy football.

01:27:51.380 I'm in whatever it is.

01:27:52.240 I'm going to, I'm in good.

01:27:53.900 We can do this together.

01:27:54.640 You know, I, I, in New Jersey, I'm so jealous.

01:27:56.940 You've got Atlantic city right there in Texas.

01:27:58.660 We have to cross the border up to Oklahoma in order to gamble.

01:28:01.860 Uh, we Texas has, you know, you think, Oh, free Texas.

01:28:04.880 No, no casinos here.

01:28:05.820 We have to go up to Oklahoma right across the border.

01:28:07.940 Some nice casinos, but, uh, but I can't do it around here.

01:28:11.280 All right.

01:28:11.980 Now stand by because, uh, we're going to take some calls now.

01:28:14.500 And I think the first caller is Andrew, Andrew in Virginia.

01:28:18.140 Andrew, how are you doing?

01:28:19.660 I'm here, Megan.

01:28:21.500 I'm so excited to talk to you.

01:28:23.340 What's on your mind.

01:28:24.540 You don't understand you and I, I am a work at home.

01:28:28.180 Parent have three daughters.

01:28:30.520 I've been following you since you were with hammer.

01:28:33.080 You got your, I don't know how many times I grabbed my daughters.

01:28:36.560 And I said, so watch this segment, see how she comes loaded for bear.

01:28:41.240 She's not just a talking head.

01:28:42.820 She does.

01:28:44.040 She does her research.

01:28:45.560 She knows what she's going to interview this person about.

01:28:48.520 And she knows where to push them back.

01:28:50.200 And I, I, I have a rule with my daughters because we kind of span the political spectrum.

01:28:55.580 You can have your opinion.

01:28:57.120 Just back it up.

01:28:58.400 Yes.

01:28:59.480 I love that.

01:29:01.240 You're teaching them to be critical thinkers, not ideologues.

01:29:04.000 Perfect.

01:29:04.260 I, I, I, I call them thinking warriors.

01:29:06.540 That's what I do, you know, and, uh, you know, we're having a tough time now.

01:29:10.000 And I, and I left you a message earlier.

01:29:11.800 I hope you do a little more, not just on woke, but I call it the woke dope situation.

01:29:17.600 Cause I think there's too much dope that is helping these young people get into the woke

01:29:24.660 mentality.

01:29:25.500 So hopefully you'll bring more people on who can interview that.

01:29:29.160 But I think this connects with my, your two interviews, because I was, I am, and always

01:29:36.140 have been very impressed with both of those, uh, candidates, but Caitlin does not come with

01:29:43.600 the breadth of knowledge to take on the sixth largest economy in the world.

01:29:50.720 So you're not buying that because she won, she took on the Russians at the Olympics.

01:29:54.320 She can take on the teacher's union.

01:29:56.060 No, just listen, just listen to how the two approached your questions and Larry had the

01:30:05.240 facts.

01:30:05.760 Larry has obviously thought about these things.

01:30:08.360 He's really critically fought and, and worked through these for years.

01:30:13.200 And Caitlin is kind of coming in on her celebrity and she's a great representative for the conservative

01:30:19.300 movement.

01:30:20.100 But I just, why do you think you can take on this role?

01:30:25.540 It just wasn't there.

01:30:26.880 And the interview kind of exposed it.

01:30:30.580 Yeah.

01:30:30.960 You know, I think she, whatever happens next week in California, she is a great surrogate.

01:30:36.840 You know, if she doesn't win this race, I do think it's good for the Republican party to

01:30:41.120 have all different stripes and folks inside of it.

01:30:44.700 Right.

01:30:44.860 Cause they always get painted as just this white male party and it's not, you know, yes,

01:30:49.100 there are a lot of white people who are Republican.

01:30:50.920 Yes.

01:30:51.080 There are a lot of men who are Republican, but there are also a lot of people of color,

01:30:54.160 a lot of Hispanics, a lot of trans people.

01:30:56.100 It's, it's not monolithic.

01:30:57.500 And I think she's sort of a good example of it.

01:31:00.980 Anyway, thank you for calling.

01:31:01.960 I hope I talk to you again.

01:31:03.400 And now we're going to call her number five.

01:31:05.500 I don't know.

01:31:06.160 Call her number five's name.

01:31:07.160 What is his name?

01:31:08.480 Chris.

01:31:08.800 Oh, her name.

01:31:09.340 Kristen.

01:31:09.780 Hey, how you doing?

01:31:10.560 How are you, Megan?

01:31:11.880 Good.

01:31:12.280 How are you?

01:31:13.160 Oh, good.

01:31:13.620 I'm so excited to get on.

01:31:15.660 Congratulations on the new serious show.

01:31:19.160 But I, you know, was very involved in working to get the kids back to school last year with

01:31:26.840 COVID.

01:31:27.340 And I just found it fascinating that, you know, in that movement, just how much else, you

01:31:33.120 know, parents discovered was actually going on in the classroom.

01:31:37.580 So just kind of wanted to hear your opinion on, you know, how much you think, you know,

01:31:43.060 things will change now that people are really paying attention or, you know, I just think

01:31:48.220 it's been really great.

01:31:49.500 And, you know, politically, I would say in our town, a lot of parents come from very different

01:31:55.860 sides of it, but I'm kind of united and they're at least having the conversation.

01:32:00.620 Yep.

01:32:01.100 That's a great question.

01:32:01.980 And first of all, thank you for getting involved and paying attention because too few parents

01:32:05.900 are doing it.

01:32:06.520 It's one upside of the COVID, you know, homeschooling, whatever you want to call it, remote learning,

01:32:10.660 is that we got to see, we got to pick.

01:32:13.060 Picked the dress up a little and see what was under there.

01:32:15.000 And it was a little horrifying to see how much indoctrination was going on.

01:32:19.300 So I think to pick up, you know, on our guest point earlier, run for the school board on

01:32:22.840 Caitlin's point, run for the school board, stay involved.

01:32:24.720 And I think it's going to go on because for these schools, a lot of them, it's ideological.

01:32:29.100 So if we don't fight back, we're going to lose.

01:32:31.440 Anyway, thank you for your call.

01:32:32.600 And thank you for listening.

01:32:33.500 And thank you all for listening today.

01:32:34.860 Tomorrow on the show, don't miss the program.

01:32:36.480 We've got Senator Rand Paul.

01:32:37.720 He is fired up over a newly leaked documents about Dr. Fauci and whether he lied to him.

01:32:43.580 Have a great day.

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