The Megyn Kelly Show - Is Obama Orchestrating Biden's Exit, and Media Elite Start Telling Truth, with Ric Grenell and Bill Sammon ｜ Ep. 835

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.700 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.400 Well, 48 hours ago, the reporting was that President Biden had appeared to have successfully fought off the intense pressure on him to withdraw as a candidate for re-election.

00:00:25.080 The uprising in the House had all but been quelled by a Capitol Hill meeting at which Congressional Black Caucus members, including James Clyburn, stuck firmly by Mr. Biden.

00:00:38.140 And terrified Democrats decided doing nothing felt safer than speaking out.

00:00:43.340 What if he pulls it out? What if he wins? Do you want to be the one who turned on him?

00:00:46.780 Over in the Senate, no greater courage emerged, despite ubiquitous reporting that the overwhelming number of Democrats in both chambers want Mr. Biden gone, do not believe he can win, and are starting to believe he'll take them down with him.

00:01:03.660 Then, Cook Political Report came out with a devastating look at the polls, essentially predicting a Donald Trump landslide.

00:01:12.540 This, as CNN projected, the Republicans will win both houses of Congress if Joe Biden stays on as the presidential nominee.

00:01:21.140 All after a New York Times poll showed Mr. Biden hemorrhaging voters as a result of the debate.

00:01:27.740 Enter Nancy Pelosi yesterday morning on the president's favorite TV show, Morning Joe, refusing to accept reality because she's a woman who can usually change it. 1.00

00:01:42.280 Namely, Mr. Biden's very clear message that he has firmly decided to stay in this race, something she was asked about on the air and after the fact, after her appearance in the hallway yesterday.

00:01:55.180 We conveyed to President Biden what you said this morning.

00:01:58.440 I'm not having any comments with you or anybody else about what I talked to President Biden about.

00:02:03.340 We don't do this y'all.

00:02:04.500 Do you believe that?

00:02:05.540 I never do. I never do, so it's ugly now.

00:02:08.300 I understand, Madam Speaker. Do you believe that him waiting so long to make this decision?

00:02:12.900 I'm not going to make any comments in the hallway about the fate of our nation, okay?

00:02:19.300 Are you concerned whether or not he can win in November?

00:02:22.240 I think he can win in November.

00:02:24.320 Do you believe he should run for re-election?

00:02:26.860 I'm not.

00:02:28.840 Am I speaking English to you?

00:02:31.460 I'm not going to be making any statements about any of that right now in the hallway.

00:02:37.820 Truth is, she's the most powerful Democrat, but not the only one, to pretend they've heard nothing from Joe Biden.

00:02:45.200 We're just going to wait for his decision.

00:02:47.060 We're just going to wait until he decides what to do.

00:02:49.940 They're all pretending that he hasn't already done that.

00:02:53.700 Mr. Biden, meantime, has been all but lighting himself on fire to tell everyone he's not going anywhere.

00:02:59.960 I don't think anybody's more qualified to be president or win this race than me.

00:03:03.660 It's up to the president to decide if he is going to run.

00:03:07.200 I'm here in North Carolina for one reason, because I intend to win this state in November.

00:03:13.240 We're all encouraging him to make that decision because time is running short.

00:03:20.200 Well, let me say it as clear as I can.

00:03:22.940 I'm staying in the race.

00:03:25.260 I have complete confidence that Joe Biden will do the patriotic thing for the country, and he's going to make that decision.

00:03:32.120 The bottom line here is that we're not going anywhere.

00:03:35.980 Whatever he decides, we go with.

00:03:38.000 I am not going anywhere.

00:03:39.540 Now, this morning, we get news via Politico that Ms. Pelosi is privately saying behind the scenes that Joe Biden should step aside, that he cannot win this November.

00:03:52.980 Political citing, quote, about a half dozen lawmakers and others, end quote, for this reporting, which means she's not even trying now to keep it a secret.

00:04:02.000 On the heels of all that, Axios is out this morning with reporting that Senator Chuck Schumer, too, who earlier this week repeated the phrase when asked about this whole thing over and over, I'm with Joe, I'm with Joe, I'm with Joe, is also behind the scenes, about as committed to Joe as Leonardo DiCaprio is to his about-to-turn-25-year-old girlfriend.

00:04:25.040 Mr. Schumer, now privately signaling to donors that he is, in fact, open to a ticket without Joe Biden at the top, following a barrage of phone calls from deep-pocketed Democrats, the ones who keep him in office, as well as his fellow senators, who are all melting down about the fact that the Republicans are going to win the Senate, never mind hold on to the House.

00:04:50.580 But what about Hakeem Jeffries? We've heard less from him, Congress's other most powerful Democrat. He's the minority leader in the House. Moments before we came to air, Jake Sherman of Punchbowl News reported that he caught up with Mr. Jeffries and asked him directly about Mr. Biden staying on as the nominee.

00:05:10.200 Was the response, I'm with Joe or James Clyburn's, I'm riding with Biden, I'm riding with Biden. Not exactly. He told Sherman that he's looking forward to concluding his talks with every single House Democrat, adding, quote,

00:05:25.160 quote, we'll convene as a leadership team and figure out the next step, end quote.

00:05:31.800 What does that mean? What's to decide? The president has made clear he's decided he's all in. What step are you deciding? What are you talking to every single House Democrat about? Clearly, it's not over.

00:05:46.540 News today, as well, about the man at the very top of the Democratic leadership ranks, and that is former President Barack Obama.

00:05:53.640 Remember yesterday that scathing op-ed in The New York Times by Democratic fundraiser actor George Clooney?

00:05:59.580 Well, it appears he gave Mr. Obama, his close friend, the heads up about this piece, and surprise, surprise, reportedly received no objection,

00:06:08.280 which was obvious to anyone who knew anything about the two men's close friendship. There was no way George Clooney would have done this without Barack Obama's blessing, or, many believe, at Barack Obama's urging.

00:06:22.100 Clooney claimed that the fundraiser he sponsored for Joe Biden three weeks ago, that the president, that that president who was there, was the debate Joe Biden, the Atlanta Joe Biden, not the Joe Biden of 2010.

00:06:35.620 Man, this is a big effing deal, or even of 2020. Conveniently left out of the op-ed is any explanation for why George Clooney said nothing of the president's diminished state after the event,

00:06:49.480 particularly when the news world exploded with a debate about whether the videos from that fundraiser accurately portrayed Joe Biden as a frail, lost, elderly man who needed help getting off the stage,

00:07:03.680 or whether those videos were cheap fakes, as the White House and others claimed. Where was Mr. Clooney then?

00:07:11.440 The Biden camp now says George Clooney was only there for a few minutes for a photo op before he peaced out. Maybe that's true. But what about Barack Obama? He was there much longer. He was actually with President Biden on stage.

00:07:30.340 We all saw it with our own eyes. And part of the cheap fake moment. Where's his account? Why won't he tell us now what he saw? After all, the country's facing an existential threat with the possible reelection of Donald Trump.

00:07:44.220 Why would Mr. Obama leave it to others to deliver some direly needed straight talk to the nation? What did you see, sir? There's a fight, an important one now, between George Clooney, one of the largest Democratic fundraisers, and Joe Biden, and Barack Obama can settle it. He can settle it all.

00:08:05.820 Okay. He's a former president. Maybe he doesn't want to get directly involved in these squabbles that could determine the presidency, and in Democrats' eyes, the future of our very country. But what about Barbara Streisand, Jimmy Kimmel? They were there, too. What did they see? They've been remarkably silent. She tweets every two seconds. Where's her tweet about this? Why won't they tell us what they saw? Democracy dies in darkness, people. Don't forget.

00:08:35.820 They're terrified. They're terrified. You all know what they saw. They saw what we saw. They saw the frail, elderly man who needed help getting off the stage. They're just too chicken shit to tell us about it. Because they accurately deduced that he could still be the Democratic nominee, and they don't want to ding him up. Maybe you give Barbara a pass. Who gives a damn what this singer saw or says? But you know what? Jimmy Kimmel happens to be employed by ABC, which happens to have a rather large

00:09:05.480 news organization. He's a large news organization. He's a large news organization. And he has been one of President Trump's most vocal critics. Where are you, Jimmy? On vacation? Not good enough. You can still use your thumbs to send out a tweet. You could set the record straight right now, but you won't.

00:09:22.560 John Favreau, he was also at the fundraiser. Former Obama staffer and Pod Save America co-host. Now he's out there saying everyone at the event saw what George Clooney saw.

00:09:36.100 I mean, it was not surprising to any of us who were at the fundraiser. I was there. Clooney was exactly right. And every single person I talked to at the fundraiser thought the same thing, except for the people working for Joe Biden, or at least they didn't say that. But I remember my wife Emily turned to me after the fundraiser and said, what are we going to do? I mean, and I said, well, there's a debate in a week. Either he'll do well in the debate, and we'll think, well, he was just tired because he flew all the way back from Europe, and that'll be that.

00:10:04.700 Or he'll be like this at the debate, and then the whole country will be talking about it. And so here we are.

00:10:11.100 I see. So he saw it too. And he's got a very big platform. Did he use it the next day to tell us all, hello, five alarm fire people, Joe Biden is infirm and no longer there. He did a show the next day. Let's listen to what he said.

00:10:27.820 If I took a poll and someone said, does the conviction make you less likely to vote for Donald Trump? I would say no.

00:10:33.320 No, I'm 100%.

00:10:34.220 I was never going to vote for him ever. Trump visited a black church in Detroit, and then spoke at the Turning Points USA conference.

00:10:40.140 And TPUSA is known for its ties to white supremacists.

00:10:43.160 Trump got the name of the doctor wrong when he was demanding that Joe Biden take a cognitive test and then talk about how he is. It's Ron Jackson.

00:10:50.380 When you're going to accuse someone of cognitive decline, you want to get the doctor's name right.

00:10:54.500 Oh, my God. So the very issue of Biden's cognitive decline, at least as Trump was criticizing it, came up and he said nothing but to criticize Trump for misstating a name.

00:11:10.380 Nothing. Just like virtually every other Democratic talking head over the last three years.

00:11:17.780 Zero courage, zero capacity or desire for truth telling if it would harm anyone on Team Blue.

00:11:24.260 Which leads me to Corrine Jean-Pierre.

00:11:28.020 Tough to say whether she's the biggest liar among the president's defenders, but she's definitely in the running.

00:11:32.740 Here is her pre-debate spin on the so-called cheap fakes that were falsely portraying Mr. Biden as diminishing.

00:11:41.900 Do you have any concerns right now that this is the leading edge of any part of a Russian effort to interfere in the election?

00:11:50.880 Has the president been briefed on this?

00:11:53.620 And have you seen any evidence that the Russians or other foreign powers have tried to seize on the debate performance to repeat some of the president's most embarrassing moments?

00:12:05.560 So that's a very good question.

00:12:06.740 I would leave it to the Department of Justice as what they announced.

00:12:10.880 And obviously that's for them to speak to.

00:12:12.840 Look, AI has always been a concern.

00:12:15.300 That's why the president made some announcements recently and executive to take executive action on how we can deal with AI.

00:12:23.540 Great. Could be.

00:12:25.860 Got to look into it.

00:12:26.900 Maybe the Department of Justice will figure out whether these are cheap fakes.

00:12:30.280 Maybe you should just call like your biggest fundraisers, George Clooney and your biggest supporters in the Democrat Party, like the Pod Save America guys.

00:12:39.340 Just ask them.

00:12:40.640 They were there.

00:12:41.420 You can find out.

00:12:42.100 So easy.

00:12:43.500 Time and time again, this woman came out to the press corps. 0.94

00:12:46.080 Who are there to bring clarity to the American people who employ her? 1.00

00:12:50.660 You're her boss. 0.79

00:12:52.040 So am I.

00:12:53.660 And defended the president's vim and vigor.

00:12:57.440 It is hard for us to keep up with this president.

00:13:01.580 He has a grueling schedule that he keeps up with that sometimes some of us are not able to keep up with.

00:13:06.620 Oh, my gosh.

00:13:07.500 He's the president of the United States.

00:13:09.460 You know, he I can't even keep up with him.

00:13:12.480 I'll quote a little bit of what the first lady said. 0.91

00:13:15.380 I think incredibly well just a couple of days ago.

00:13:19.000 President Biden does more in one hour than most people do in a day.

00:13:22.100 And then came the debate and the reporting about the neurologist visiting the White House nine times, at least in the past year, and then genuine anger from the press corps, which behind the scenes we now know has been getting pummeled by this White House for even asking about Mr. Biden's cognitive well-being.

00:13:42.820 James Rosen banned from press conferences for eight months after he went there with the president, others with their hands slapped and shamed for daring to bring up the topic.

00:13:55.500 That's her doing that. 1.00

00:13:56.940 That's her office. 0.99

00:13:58.020 Those are her colleagues at the campaign as well.

00:14:00.540 Now she comes out this week and she acts the way someone who knows they've done wrong acts.

00:14:08.080 She acts the way your dog acts when he ate the brownies and crapped in your living room.

00:14:14.240 Ears back, kind of sweet, slightly ashamed, and desirous of currying favor with the ones they wronged.

00:14:22.720 Watch this.

00:14:24.360 I do take offense to what Ed alluded to.

00:14:28.360 You know, come out here, every day there's a press briefing, and we do our best to give you the information that we have at the time.

00:14:38.640 That's what we do.

00:14:40.520 And we understand the freedom of the press.

00:14:42.960 We respect the freedom of the press.

00:14:44.260 I appreciate the back and forth that we all have.

00:14:47.000 It is, I try to respect you, and I hope you try to respect me.

00:14:50.920 My team does everything that we can to make sure we get the answers to you.

00:14:56.960 That's what we do.

00:14:57.700 And sometimes we disagree.

00:14:59.940 Sometimes we are not in agreement.

00:15:02.020 But you know what?

00:15:02.740 That's democracy.

00:15:03.700 To say that I'm holding information or allude to anything else is not unfair.

00:15:08.480 It's really, really unfair.

00:15:09.840 And I will admit, I will be the first one to admit, sometimes I get it wrong.

00:15:14.020 At least I admit that.

00:15:15.900 At least I admit that.

00:15:17.980 Do you?

00:15:19.240 Do you?

00:15:19.740 I couldn't believe it when I watched this.

00:15:22.760 When I heard this live, my jaw dropped.

00:15:25.200 Please like me.

00:15:26.640 It wasn't me. 0.93

00:15:28.360 There could be congressional investigations of this disgusting cover-up, which is exactly like your dog's dump in the living room, by the way. 0.96

00:15:35.060 It stinks to high heaven, and it is nearly impossible to clean up. 0.91

00:15:37.940 But she was finding that out real time.

00:15:41.220 This was the first stage of coming to grips with the fact that the American people, not just Republicans, but all of us, are on to her.

00:15:49.500 We know we've been spoon-fed lies.

00:15:54.280 Yes, I know if you watch this show, you knew that long ago.

00:15:57.980 But her side is finding it out, so she's panicked.

00:16:02.880 As she sought to shore up her relationships with people who buy ink by the barrel, she lied more.

00:16:10.260 The press exposed the fact that a neurologist had been visiting the White House residence clinic.

00:16:15.460 Okay, now, according to Dr. Ronnie Jackson, who was the White House doctor for both Obama and for Trump, he says that's right below the president's bedroom, and it is dedicated only to members of the first family.

00:16:30.780 Right?

00:16:30.980 And she tried to take that visit and tell the press that that meeting with this doctor was not about President Biden at all.

00:16:39.880 I just want to get a clarification on the letter that was sent last night from Dr. O'Connor.

00:16:46.680 And you can correct me if I'm wrong, but it didn't seem to explicitly describe the nature of Dr. O'Connor's meeting with Dr. O'Connor.

00:16:53.700 So can you say whether that one meeting was related to care for the president himself?

00:16:58.740 I can say that it was not.

00:16:59.800 It was not.

00:17:00.260 Okay, that's great.

00:17:01.180 If I was asked why that information that was released last night just wasn't set at the briefing yesterday?

00:17:08.420 Well, no.

00:17:09.540 Actually, a lot of what is in the letter was said at the briefing, to be very, very clear.

00:17:15.000 I said many of the things that were laid out in the letter was actually repeated right here behind this lectern at this podium yesterday.

00:17:23.620 By the way, she has a tell.

00:17:25.500 She always says we've been very clear when she's going to tell a lie.

00:17:28.220 We've been clear either precedes or follows her lies often.

00:17:32.020 And what she said there was exposed as a lie.

00:17:34.820 That meeting was about Joe Biden.

00:17:37.780 That was later outed.

00:17:39.340 And she had to, again, dog with the tail between the legs, come back to the lectern and admit it when the press caught her.

00:17:46.780 She also tried to tell the press that the president had not seen a doctor post-debate.

00:17:52.560 But when that was exposed as a lie, too, by the president himself, he was meeting with those Democratic governors and he told them he'd been seen by a doctor.

00:18:02.860 She then tried to say, well, what she meant was he hadn't gotten a full physical since the debate, which nobody was even asking about.

00:18:10.740 But, of course, Mr. Biden sees doctors every day.

00:18:14.860 She wants us to know it's every day.

00:18:16.140 It's not not because of the debate or his performance.

00:18:17.800 He sees a doctor every day conveniently when he's drinking green juice and pumping iron.

00:18:23.700 Can you elaborate on what the difference is between a check in and an exam at these check ins?

00:18:31.600 Does Dr. Conner or another staff member take the president's vitals or anything like that?

00:18:36.920 They're verbal check ins with the president.

00:18:39.180 They check in as the president's exercising.

00:18:42.280 That's usually how this happens.

00:18:44.900 OK, sure.

00:18:47.320 Sure, Jan.

00:18:49.200 As an added cherry on top of all of this, we get her self-aggrandizing rewrite of her own behavior. 1.00

00:18:59.100 It has been an unprecedented time.

00:19:01.160 I think you guys could admit that, right?

00:19:03.220 It is an unprecedented time.

00:19:04.620 And so we are meeting the moment, a new moment that has never really existed before.

00:19:11.340 We're meeting the moment.

00:19:13.260 You know, we admit when we're wrong.

00:19:14.940 We respect you guys.

00:19:16.680 We appreciate the back and forth of this room.

00:19:19.220 My Lord.

00:19:20.340 After this gaslighting, we got to the phase we tend to get from most liars when their lies are exposed.

00:19:26.140 Jean-Pierre got defensive and she feigned indignation when pressed on her many, many, many lies.

00:19:35.360 This particular exchange with a CBS News reporter was about those neurology visits.

00:19:40.660 I do take offense to what Ed alluded to.

00:19:46.640 You know, come out here every day.

00:19:49.380 There's a press briefing and we do our best to give you the information that we have at the time.

00:19:55.340 We understand the freedom of the press.

00:19:57.260 We respect the freedom of the press.

00:19:58.560 My team does everything that we can to make sure we get the answers to you.

00:20:04.580 That's what we do.

00:20:05.320 To say that I'm holding information or allude to anything else is not unfair.

00:20:10.200 It's really, really unfair.

00:20:11.400 And I will admit, I will be the first one to admit, sometimes I get it wrong.

00:20:15.420 At least I admit that.

00:20:17.220 At least I admit that.

00:20:19.780 So you heard of that there.

00:20:21.140 A little similar to the first one, but more indignation.

00:20:24.500 You know what a liar sounds like by this point in the program.

00:20:28.280 You hear me talk about it all the time.

00:20:29.740 Attacking the question and the questioner.

00:20:32.500 Classic responses of someone who is lying.

00:20:35.800 I take offense. 0.99

00:20:37.660 No one gives a shit whether you're offended. 0.99

00:20:39.960 No one, literally no one cares. 0.99

00:20:42.340 You're the White House press secretary. 0.89

00:20:43.720 You were there to take a beating.

00:20:45.740 You're there to provide information. 0.97

00:20:47.340 And when you don't, and even when you do, to take a beating.

00:20:50.100 You do that for the president.

00:20:51.580 That's the job.

00:20:52.680 You don't take offense.

00:20:54.020 There's no offense.

00:20:55.720 Take the questions.

00:20:57.120 Answer the questions.

00:20:58.440 Be truthful.

00:20:59.980 And if you can't be truthful, get out of bounds.

00:21:03.120 That's what you should do.

00:21:04.220 If you're trying to protect your boss, not lie repeatedly and not tell us not to believe 0.99

00:21:08.480 our own lying eyes and not give us bullshit like you can't even keep up with him. 0.99

00:21:11.960 My God. 1.00

00:21:13.480 The press corps has no respect for this woman or, quite frankly, for her boss at this point

00:21:18.440 or his other staff.

00:21:19.560 The press are angry.

00:21:21.680 Yes, even the bent press that are completely wrapped around the axle for Democrats are 0.99

00:21:26.440 angry because they feel foolish. 0.99

00:21:29.640 They've also been made fools of. 0.98

00:21:31.640 And that same press corps is going to be there this evening when Joe Biden holds a 6.30 p.m. 0.91

00:21:37.620 news conference after his NATO meetings.

00:21:40.820 First, it was 5.30.

00:21:41.860 Then they moved it to 6.30.

00:21:42.920 We are getting dangerously close to bedtime.

00:21:45.640 This is the first time he's had a presser in months and during what can fairly be described

00:21:50.280 as a stressful week.

00:21:51.960 The White House expects big things from Mr. Biden this evening.

00:21:56.380 Whatever you may think of him, he has their total respect and reverence.

00:22:00.960 Here they were describing this upcoming presser.

00:22:03.360 This week, President Biden will speak to national labor leaders of AFL-CIO, host the NATO summit

00:22:11.000 to show the unprecedented strength of our alliance, hold a press conference, a big boy press conference,

00:22:17.400 according to Justin Singh from Bloomberg.

00:22:19.400 After that, the president will hold a press conference, I guess a big boy press conference

00:22:23.660 is what we're calling it.

00:22:25.740 Oh, my God.

00:22:27.760 Okay.

00:22:29.420 I realized that was first penned by someone in the press.

00:22:32.020 They picked it up and went with it.

00:22:35.520 So tonight, Joe Biden will hold a big boy presser trying to convince Pelosi, Schumer,

00:22:41.900 Jeffries, Obama, and others he can eat his peas and chicken, too.

00:22:46.580 He can stay up late and get his homework done on time.

00:22:50.080 He can go on the potty and pull up his own big boy pants.

00:22:53.160 And the dignity of his office already grossly diminished by this dishonest cast of characters

00:22:58.620 will fall even lower.

00:23:00.000 However, I don't see how Joe Biden can survive here.

00:23:05.440 I know it's better for Trump if he does.

00:23:08.300 I don't really care.

00:23:09.820 He's not fit.

00:23:11.800 His staff is part of the biggest presidential cover-up in decades.

00:23:16.300 He needs to step down from the presidency, never mind the campaign, for the safety of the country.

00:23:23.100 That's what a big boy would do.

00:23:27.060 We'll be right back with Rick Grinnell.

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00:24:47.180 Joining me now, former ambassador and acting director of national intelligence, Rick Grinnell.

00:24:52.220 It was just announced he will be speaking at the Republican National Convention next week

00:24:57.340 on Wednesday night.

00:24:58.540 That's big.

00:24:59.080 That's actually a very prime role.

00:25:00.760 Rick, great to see you.

00:25:02.240 Thanks for being back on.

00:25:03.360 And what did you make of my opening thoughts on just the massive dishonesty being fire hosed

00:25:10.160 against all of us right now?

00:25:12.280 I mean, that was a brilliant monologue.

00:25:15.300 What I'm not sure that we could even add anything to it.

00:25:17.580 You should just run that on loop for the next two hours.

00:25:20.560 That was a total takedown.

00:25:22.880 It was fantastic, filled with humor, filled with outrage, all of the emotions that all

00:25:28.200 of us are having right now.

00:25:30.680 My favorite moment, though, Megan, I have to tell you, was in the beginning when condescending

00:25:36.180 elitist Nancy Pelosi says, quote, the fate of our nation is not going to be talked about

00:25:43.120 in the hallway.

00:25:44.020 Which was really my favorite moment for her to say, this is so important.

00:25:49.560 I'm not going to talk in the hallway.

00:25:50.820 And then she stops and says, am I speaking English to the reporter?

00:25:56.360 She's so condescending.

00:25:57.460 I mean, the reporter happened to be black. 0.95

00:25:58.500 If that had been you, Rick Grinnell, saying that to a black reporter, they'd be running 0.99

00:26:02.640 10 pieces on how you're a racist. 0.99

00:26:04.880 Exactly.

00:26:05.280 It's so juicy to watch them finally get tough questions from the media.

00:26:10.960 But, you know, one thing that I just have to say, I have zero sympathy for the reporters.

00:26:18.480 They covered this up.

00:26:20.060 They all knew this.

00:26:21.160 They're embarrassed.

00:26:22.400 Yes.

00:26:22.820 Yet they are the ones who literally were speaking propaganda for the ruling party.

00:26:29.120 There are dictators around the world that are jealous of the system in Washington, D.C. 0.99

00:26:33.580 This is really pathetic. 0.95

00:26:35.280 And there needs to be a full investigation. 0.96

00:26:38.440 There needs to be a January 6th style, real investigation of who covered this up.

00:26:45.880 We're the greatest nation in the history of the world.

00:26:48.540 We should not be having a press corps working with the Democrats to hide the health of the

00:26:55.920 president of the United States.

00:26:57.160 This is dangerous.

00:26:58.860 We're on full display as NATO members are in Washington, D.C.

00:27:03.860 I was just in Washington, D.C., talking with several delegations.

00:27:09.140 They're all talking about this.

00:27:10.920 They're all nervous.

00:27:12.440 Imagine what Iran and North Korea and China and Venezuela. 0.87

00:27:20.260 Imagine what they're all planning and thinking.

00:27:22.780 This is a very dangerous moment for America.

00:27:24.960 So now we have some people playing this pretend game that Joe Biden's presser at 630 will determine

00:27:34.620 the future of Joe Biden's candidacy and the very country, like the existence of the country

00:27:41.760 could be in the balance tonight because they have to win because Trump is on the other side

00:27:46.460 and they have to get this right.

00:27:47.560 And so we have to pretend that there's some sort of a beauty show going on tonight at 630

00:27:52.340 where they're going to take their last look at this Biden horse and decide whether it's

00:27:56.900 got the legs to actually run the race.

00:27:58.480 I mean, this is so absurd.

00:27:59.720 We saw we saw what we saw at the debate.

00:28:02.360 I personally I don't care what he does in this interview.

00:28:05.340 Now he's giving an interview to Lester Holt on Monday or what he did in his interview with

00:28:08.840 Stephanopoulos last Friday or what he says tonight at 630 at this presser.

00:28:13.800 I have enough information to make a judgment and so does everyone.

00:28:19.560 So you tell me you've been around politics a long time.

00:28:22.280 What are the Democrats doing right now?

00:28:24.560 What is the game at the moment?

00:28:27.060 Well, it's just simply a power play.

00:28:28.660 Look, my my attitude right now is why is it such a big deal that they went through the entire

00:28:35.640 Democrat primary?

00:28:37.980 He won every state.

00:28:40.360 He became the nominee.

00:28:42.080 They got to live with it.

00:28:43.840 That's this they chose their nominee for for November.

00:28:46.740 So now it's a choice.

00:28:48.160 It's either Joe Biden or Donald Trump.

00:28:50.680 It's not the end of the world if they lose an election.

00:28:54.420 But the press are acting like, oh, my gosh, we're going to lose.

00:28:59.320 So we have to change horses now.

00:29:01.240 I mean, I remember the time when the Democrats were talking about undermining democracy,

00:29:06.800 something or other.

00:29:07.640 And so now we're faced with they went through the whole process.

00:29:11.980 They knew.

00:29:12.980 Are you kidding me?

00:29:14.160 Did they know in December of last year or January of this year that Joe Biden was failing?

00:29:20.900 Of course they did.

00:29:22.020 We were mocked when we pointed it out.

00:29:24.440 If you watch CNN or MSNBC or just read The New York Times or The Washington Post, you're surprised.

00:29:30.900 You watched The Megyn Kelly Show, Newsmax, Fox, a whole bunch of other outlets.

00:29:36.780 You are not shocked.

00:29:38.200 You've been watching this train wreck and you've been mocked for bringing it up.

00:29:43.940 And so, you know, the juicy part of your monologue was pointing out how many people

00:29:50.260 went to just the latest fundraiser in Los Angeles and stayed silent.

00:29:57.860 I mean, Jon Favreau's wife had to bring it up to say, oh, my gosh, are you seeing this?

00:30:02.580 So his wife was nudging him. 0.72

00:30:04.260 He didn't see it.

00:30:05.440 The wife brought it up.

00:30:06.940 And so I think that we have to hold these people to account.

00:30:10.360 They went through the primary.

00:30:11.980 They chose their guy.

00:30:14.660 They now have to live with it in November.

00:30:17.240 I do think it's a separate question right now is, are we able to to have Joe Biden as

00:30:24.380 a competent president?

00:30:27.160 They seem to think, yes, because he's been sick, but they want him to still be the nominee.

00:30:33.540 But it's a separate question.

00:30:34.780 Should he step back from the presidency?

00:30:37.020 My gut says they're going to keep him there.

00:30:40.180 They're going to celebrate him all the way through.

00:30:42.860 They are going to let him be the nominee because he's not going anywhere.

00:30:47.520 But you and I both know if for some reason lightning strikes and God intervenes and they

00:30:53.740 win and Joe Biden wins, he'll last a very short time and they'll hand it over to Kamala. 1.00

00:30:58.880 You know, it's amazing because they've they've make the argument that Joe Biden is not the

00:31:05.860 most effective messenger against Donald Trump.

00:31:09.320 That's how they're saying it, because they don't want him to be 25th Amendment right out

00:31:14.540 of office.

00:31:15.160 They can't say what we all know is real, which is he's not fit, not fit now.

00:31:20.880 He's certainly not going to be fit for another four years.

00:31:23.040 So they've chosen to argue it in a way that would allow them to disqualify him as the

00:31:27.700 candidate, but allow him to remain in office for the next seven months.

00:31:32.340 And to your earlier point, not only were people like you and me, everybody like Fox Newsmax

00:31:39.040 all dismissed as, you know, crazy right wing conspiracy theorists for raising the issue

00:31:45.220 of his infirmity, we were called ageists, ableists, and that's continuing in some circles.

00:31:56.000 Listen to this Democratic representative from Nevada out here just this week.

00:32:01.880 More than 70 percent of voters think that President Biden is not demonstrating the capacity to be

00:32:10.420 president. 56 percent of Democrats say that they would be better off with another nominee.

00:32:16.320 Those are the concerns that I'm talking about that are showing up in the numbers and that are

00:32:20.700 affecting his approval rating.

00:32:22.520 What I find interesting is the issue is more around ageism and ableism and not what this

00:32:28.780 president, President Biden, has done.

00:32:31.760 Oh, my God.

00:32:32.700 I mean, Rick, that's just not going to work.

00:32:34.500 Nice try, Stephen Hosford.

00:32:36.000 But no, that's not going to work.

00:32:37.140 Yeah, look, we are not talking about the message of the Democrats at all.

00:32:43.180 We're only talking about the messenger.

00:32:45.380 And I do think it's convenient for them to pretend like it's just Joe Biden, that it's

00:32:50.380 not about two wars, gas prices, an open border, inflation, all of those issues, which is why

00:32:58.960 the American people have been outraged.

00:33:02.220 They are not supporting Joe Biden and the Democrats.

00:33:05.680 The Democrats are going to lose not simply because Joe Biden is old, but because they

00:33:12.040 have a terrible message.

00:33:13.800 They're trying to scramble and pretend like it's just Joe Biden to distract, like if we

00:33:18.820 just replaced Joe Biden and had Kamala Harris, that somehow gas prices are going to be fine

00:33:23.780 again.

00:33:24.280 It's going to take them a lot of money and a lot of different messengers to convince

00:33:27.840 people that inflation is not real and that the border is closed and that we don't have

00:33:33.180 two horrific wars of massive killing.

00:33:36.400 I believe that the message is literally why they're losing.

00:33:41.540 It's not just simply the messenger.

00:33:43.300 And I'll finish with this.

00:33:44.400 We have to, in America, understand that there are consequences for our decisions.

00:33:51.260 We don't just get to change and improve everything just simply because we're losing.

00:33:59.600 We don't get to change the Supreme Court when we lose by adding additional judges.

00:34:05.340 We can't change the rules.

00:34:07.800 And so I think that we have to stand up as a system and say the Democrats chose through

00:34:14.500 the primary process their nominee.

00:34:18.260 You don't get to change that now unless you want to undermine democracy with a bunch of

00:34:23.740 elites.

00:34:24.440 You chose this guy.

00:34:26.000 You knew all of this information.

00:34:28.680 None of this information is new.

00:34:30.480 You chose him anyway.

00:34:33.060 You have to live with that decision.

00:34:34.300 He's your nominee.

00:34:35.820 Oh, it's it's so fascinating to hear.

00:34:37.760 Like we talked about this yesterday.

00:34:38.820 This weird dynamic has evolved where the Trump defenders and teammates are they want

00:34:45.300 Biden.

00:34:45.840 They're defending Biden.

00:34:47.320 And I see why.

00:34:49.000 Of course I see why he's feeble.

00:34:52.100 He's frail. 0.98

00:34:53.680 He's ineffective. 1.00

00:34:55.220 He's obviously incompetent. 0.98

00:34:57.660 So we've been saying that for three years. 0.91

00:34:59.340 That's not either.

00:35:01.180 No, it's not.

00:35:01.940 I know you've said some of it on this show, too.

00:35:03.580 But it's just such an interesting dynamic that like the core Trumpers are aligned with

00:35:08.700 the core Biden team on the fact that Joe Biden must remain the nominee.

00:35:13.100 So but let me ask you this as somebody who's on team Trump.

00:35:17.260 What if he's not?

00:35:18.720 What if they exercise the in good conscience clause that delegates are allowed to follow,

00:35:23.440 you know, and say, well, new information and I can't in good conscience, you know, vote

00:35:28.960 for him, even though I am a Joe Biden delegate and they find a way to force that to happen

00:35:34.340 or to force him to step out.

00:35:36.580 Yeah.

00:35:37.040 Is there anybody anybody that you're looking at as like a preferred person to run against

00:35:42.620 in the backup class?

00:35:44.840 Well, I think that we're pretty confident and most people in Washington are pretty confident

00:35:50.500 that it has to be Kamala Harris.

00:35:52.100 He can't skip over her or I am in Los Angeles.

00:35:56.200 I live in California.

00:35:57.120 I have a lot of friends who work for Gavin Newsom, know Gavin well, and he doesn't want

00:36:03.920 to run.

00:36:04.340 He doesn't want to mount a presidential campaign in four weeks.

00:36:07.900 All of this media attention to him is bogus.

00:36:11.820 Imagine trying to mount a billion dollar campaign in four weeks.

00:36:17.820 It's not going to go well.

00:36:19.600 And then he's that's his one shot.

00:36:22.120 And then he's done.

00:36:23.420 I think the same thing is with with Gretchen Whitmer and Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar

00:36:29.500 and all of the others who want to run for president.

00:36:31.600 They know it's too late.

00:36:32.780 They would rather see Joe Biden lose and then there's a an open field where they have a

00:36:40.800 long time to develop their message, raise money and run for president.

00:36:45.960 They're taking the long view here.

00:36:48.000 So that's why so many are supporting Joe Biden.

00:36:51.340 Gavin Newsom just wants a shot later and he wants to look loyal now.

00:36:57.080 And and, you know, the reality is, is his team is rejecting the idea of trying to put together

00:37:01.660 a presidential campaign in four weeks.

00:37:03.320 It's Kamala if he if Joe Biden does step back.

00:37:07.300 And that's where I go with the message is the most important.

00:37:11.220 They're still going to lose, but it will give them a Hail Mary to try to, especially if it's

00:37:17.380 Kamala Harris, to try to just talk about abortion. 1.00

00:37:20.940 She would be easily beatable, but it does give them an adjustment.

00:37:27.680 And they they cannot adjust away from her and they cannot adjust away from the message

00:37:33.420 that is a terrible message and an incompetent message.

00:37:37.740 She's been right there.

00:37:38.980 I also think she should be dragged in to this future congressional hearing on the cover up 0.99

00:37:45.860 of the president of the United States is health because she is literally having a front 1.00

00:37:53.080 row seat to this entire train wreck.

00:37:56.080 And she's yet to stand up and say something.

00:37:59.040 She's the one who could hold on to the hundred million dollar war chest because she is on 0.88

00:38:04.920 the ticket.

00:38:05.400 She's nominated right now as VP.

00:38:07.440 So according to what I read, I'm not an expert on campaign finance and how who gets to keep

00:38:12.160 which donations, but she could keep it according to the experts.

00:38:16.460 So that's a that's a benefit.

00:38:18.360 But you tell me, what would the calculation look like for those guys on that side who

00:38:22.740 don't want her when it comes to that hundred million?

00:38:25.920 If if Joe Biden can't or won't release it and they don't want her, I think if I were a

00:38:31.220 Democrat, I'd be telling myself, we'll raise more.

00:38:34.500 We've got a lot of deep pockets.

00:38:36.900 We'll ask George Clooney for half of it.

00:38:38.920 You know, we've got a lot of people who want to see an open contest.

00:38:42.460 Don't worry about the hundred million.

00:38:43.680 Or do you think that's big enough that they they are going to very much worry about it?

00:38:46.960 Look, I think they have to worry about it because the reality is, is is people like

00:38:52.420 Gavin Newsom and Gretchen Whitmer and Pete Buttigieg, they don't want Kamala to be the

00:38:57.540 nominee because then she could possibly be there for eight years. 0.98

00:39:00.940 I think she loses.

00:39:02.120 But their calculus on their side, where they they literally they literally live in an

00:39:07.720 alternative universe, they think, oh, well, she'll beat Trump and then she'll be there 0.96

00:39:12.000 for eight years.

00:39:12.540 So these, you know, these people are power hungry.

00:39:15.160 They are looking at their power and when they can get it and they don't want to wait

00:39:19.900 eight years.

00:39:21.240 Again, they would much rather just support Joe like they are and let him go down and then

00:39:26.540 they can come back in four years.

00:39:29.140 Really, it's two and a half years when they start running their next presidential race.

00:39:32.800 But remember, too, that the expense of rebranding is enormous in every single state.

00:39:40.180 They're going to have to print new signs.

00:39:42.420 They're going to have to do new websites.

00:39:44.320 They're going to have to completely redo all of the branding that they've spent money on.

00:39:49.600 The cost is enormous.

00:39:50.900 And they are not able to just, you know, pick up and and raise money with Gavin Newsom or

00:40:01.100 Gretchen Whitmer.

00:40:01.840 They have to stick with Kamala.

00:40:03.960 The other thing is it could be really messy if they do open it up because there's a whole

00:40:09.260 bunch of people that want to run.

00:40:10.560 And as we see in California, you know, the DEI programs are the ones that immediately

00:40:17.600 rise to the top.

00:40:18.740 And you'll have a lot of people saying it's my turn because of, you know, my my gender,

00:40:24.340 my sexual orientation or the color of my skin.

00:40:28.500 Do you think Team Trump is ready for anyone?

00:40:32.920 Right.

00:40:33.180 We've all heard the same names on the alleged short list.

00:40:35.840 And now it's gone beyond, you know, the new and exciting ones, according to the Democrats,

00:40:39.420 are people like Gretchen Whitmer, Raphael Warnock down in Georgia.

00:40:44.560 We've heard some other names, Josh Shapiro out of Pennsylvania.

00:40:47.740 But I'm also hearing now the set the circle enlarging to include people like Klobuchar,

00:40:56.140 like Buttigieg, like some of the also rands who lost even Bernie Sanders to Joe Biden,

00:41:03.420 you know, four years ago.

00:41:04.480 Do you think Team Trump is ready to run against any of those with oppo, you know, oppo 0.98

00:41:09.240 research on at they're ready?

00:41:11.800 Look, I go the answer.

00:41:13.380 The short answer is yes.

00:41:14.280 But I go back to the fact that, you know, we are going to concentrate on the message,

00:41:19.060 not just the messenger.

00:41:20.600 It kind of doesn't matter who their messenger is.

00:41:23.060 They can get a bump.

00:41:24.000 They can get a short term pop from a messenger.

00:41:27.640 But they still are a party that is way far left, way woke.

00:41:32.160 They don't want to, you know, have a closed border.

00:41:36.760 They think that inflation is fine.

00:41:39.400 They're making excuses for why we don't have enough energy in our country and we see gas

00:41:45.140 prices going crazy.

00:41:47.540 They don't have the answer on the message, on the policy.

00:41:51.780 So it kind of doesn't matter.

00:41:52.760 But that list that you just gave of all the people that really might want to jump in,

00:41:59.700 that is the exact reason why they won't have an open fight at the convention.

00:42:06.380 They know it's a mess.

00:42:07.820 They know a lot of hard feelings are going to are going to, you know, come to the surface.

00:42:12.900 They have to go with Kamala if Joe steps back.

00:42:15.500 But I'm I remain in the camp that Joe is their nominee.

00:42:19.300 There's enough people that just say, leave him there and lose, you know, let's support

00:42:25.380 him.

00:42:25.700 And then we all have a chance to fight it out later.

00:42:28.120 They don't want to give Kamala Harris the leg up by saying, OK, she just gets to come 1.00

00:42:33.940 in and become the nominee because we don't have enough time.

00:42:37.340 I also think that a lot of independents are going to see that as really crappy and undermining

00:42:44.580 democracy.

00:42:45.760 And we all said that this is what they were planning on doing.

00:42:49.080 And they denied it.

00:42:50.060 So we're going to look like even more like a bunch of liars than what they are.

00:42:55.620 And I think they they suffer huge losses.

00:42:58.440 I think I have to stick with Joe at the end of the day.

00:43:01.020 On the subject of the Clooney op-ed yesterday, there's reporting out today that the White

00:43:05.720 House actually had a heads up.

00:43:07.360 It hit it hit Wednesday morning that they had a heads up on Tuesday.

00:43:10.680 He was going to do it.

00:43:11.620 And they unleashed all their power to try to stop it, including dispatching Jeffrey Katzenberg,

00:43:18.580 you know, movie mogul in Hollywood who's chairing, co-chairing the Biden campaign to try to stop

00:43:24.400 him from doing it.

00:43:26.520 Clooney doesn't answer to Jeffrey Katzenberg and refused to stop.

00:43:31.020 By the way, not for nothing.

00:43:32.500 But Jeffrey Katzenberg told me personally in 2016 he would spend any amount to get Hillary

00:43:40.340 Clinton elected.

00:43:41.600 We all saw how that worked out.

00:43:43.320 So I know they're all drunk on their own perceived power.

00:43:46.480 It's not as great as they think it is.

00:43:47.840 But what do you think about this?

00:43:51.520 You know, the reports out today that he ran it by Obama, that Obama had no objection.

00:43:56.020 And I think you and I both know if Obama wanted to stop it, he could have.

00:43:58.980 And there's probably a greater likelihood than not that he may have even orchestrated it.

00:44:04.700 So Obama seems to want Biden gone.

00:44:06.960 I think that's why he shepherded him off the stage with the arm at the fundraiser.

00:44:10.660 It's why all of his guys, Axelrod, Begala, Favreau, and more of that pod saved him.

00:44:18.440 They're all out there taking shots at Biden.

00:44:21.340 I don't think they'd all be doing that if Obama were firmly in the Biden camp.

00:44:25.880 So does he still have any power?

00:44:29.560 Look, I think your monologue was brilliant on this subject, how you laid it out.

00:44:33.080 People should go back and listen to it.

00:44:36.160 But you're exactly right.

00:44:37.780 Obama could have stopped this.

00:44:39.840 Now, whether or not he was pushing it and approving it is one thing.

00:44:43.460 But he absolutely could have stopped it.

00:44:45.360 He didn't stop it.

00:44:46.580 And all of his lieutenants are piling on.

00:44:49.820 So I think it's a free for all from Team Obama.

00:44:53.340 They recognize that Joe was not really the best person to put forward.

00:44:59.560 He's Joe is ruining their brand.

00:45:02.960 I think it's a big problem for them.

00:45:04.940 But I live in Los Angeles.

00:45:06.240 I'm here in Los Angeles now.

00:45:07.620 And I have to tell you, you know, as much as I can't stand George Clooney's politics, he's touching on something that every progressive, every far lefty in Los Angeles is saying there's chaos in L.A.

00:45:22.140 They don't want Joe Biden.

00:45:24.920 But these people are not political masters.

00:45:27.600 They don't understand the process.

00:45:28.700 So they think, oh, let's just switch them.

00:45:30.980 When they learn, oh, wait, there was a Democrat process.

00:45:35.200 He's the nominee.

00:45:36.340 You can't really switch it without opening it up.

00:45:39.100 Then they're like, oh, no, this is terrible.

00:45:41.900 The nonpolitical people are the ones that say, oh, well, let's just put in Michelle Obama or let's put in somebody that we think can beat Trump.

00:45:49.000 But that's incredibly complicated.

00:45:51.320 You can't just do that.

00:45:52.900 And when the nonpolitical people in Los Angeles learn that, they just say, oh, wow, well, we're going to lose.

00:46:00.800 And so they're not giving as much.

00:46:02.740 They're not going to vote.

00:46:03.840 So I'm telling you, it's going to be a bloodbath, if we can use that term, in an election.

00:46:11.180 And not only is Joe Biden going to lose, but I think a lot of Democrats aren't going to get the support because people aren't going to come out to the polls.

00:46:18.820 They're not that excited.

00:46:20.180 Let me tell you something.

00:46:20.800 Clooney's going to win either way because he's partners with Randy Gerber, Cindy Crawford's husband, and he's an entrepreneur on that liquor.

00:46:28.560 You know, the one at Casamigos.

00:46:30.800 And I think they sold part of it, but they must still have some of it because Cindy Crawford was just out there pushing the Casamigos version of it. 1.00

00:46:37.920 So as the liquor sales go up, along with the despondency, Clooney wins either way.

00:46:44.480 But I do want to show you this.

00:46:45.820 The crew over at Morning Joe, which, you know, depending on the day they're with or for against, you know, Joe Biden, they were 100 percent in his pocket.

00:46:52.560 And then they saw what we saw.

00:46:53.740 And Joe Scarborough had a moment of honesty, like he can't do it. 0.99

00:46:56.360 Holy crap. 0.97

00:46:57.020 And now within, you know, a couple of days, he went back to never mind. 0.99

00:47:00.100 Never mind.

00:47:00.460 I'm a bootlicker.

00:47:01.180 That's where I'm most comfortable.

00:47:02.620 And this is what they were saying about the Obama thing today. 1.00

00:47:06.140 My kids are getting fucked. 0.99

00:47:06.840 This wasn't George Clooney. 0.99

00:47:08.460 But, but, well, what do you mean?

00:47:10.880 It just wasn't.

00:47:11.880 Come on.

00:47:12.560 What?

00:47:12.960 Well, who do you think it was?

00:47:14.080 Matt Damon?

00:47:14.900 It was not Matt Damon.

00:47:16.360 Who do you think it was?

00:47:16.660 It wasn't Julia Roberts either.

00:47:18.060 Who do you think it was?

00:47:19.500 You can say the name.

00:47:20.860 You won't melt.

00:47:21.560 It's not Voltemort.

00:47:22.540 Are you saying you think Barack Obama put him up to this?

00:47:26.860 I think that Barack Obama has a lot of influence.

00:47:30.820 There are two people in this picture.

00:47:33.220 And one has had a presidency that was absolutely, undeniably historic.

00:47:39.920 Well, I think you have two people that had extraordinarily historic in terms of legislative accomplishments.

00:47:49.880 The Biden campaign and many Democratic officials do believe that Barack Obama is quietly working behind the scenes to orchestrate this.

00:48:03.040 Joe Biden is deeply resentful of his treatment under not only the Obama staff, but also the way he was pushed aside for Hillary Clinton.

00:48:15.460 Well, I think that's true, Rick.

00:48:18.420 Don't you?

00:48:20.280 Pass the popcorn.

00:48:21.400 I'm here all day for this.

00:48:22.680 I've been waking up and watching Morning Joe, I have to admit, because it is juicy and brilliant.

00:48:29.800 They don't know what to do.

00:48:31.200 There's a total meltdown.

00:48:32.380 Every guest is shooting each other.

00:48:34.780 They admit constantly, I'm getting texts challenging me what I'm saying.

00:48:40.300 They're not used to having dissenting views, Megan.

00:48:43.140 They're not used to having media that ask tough questions.

00:48:46.620 This is a party that has literally pushed propaganda and discipline amongst everyone, and they don't like dissenting views.

00:48:56.900 And that's why they've been so easily convinced that they can crush conservative views on social media and cancel people because they do it all the time in their own party and nobody pushes back.

00:49:08.940 So I love to watch what's happening right now.

00:49:13.260 I'm a huge Morning Joe fan.

00:49:15.300 I'm watching every single episode because they made this bed, and I want to watch them sleep in it.

00:49:22.940 Yes, roll around, feel the goodness.

00:49:27.220 We'll all watch. 0.83

00:49:28.340 It's like the weirdest porno ever. 0.82

00:49:31.180 Why?

00:49:33.140 But we have to.

00:49:34.400 It is kind of amazing.

00:49:35.200 I'll say it right before we go to break.

00:49:37.540 There's a little window here into what life would be like if you had an active, honest press corps.

00:49:43.160 Yes.

00:49:43.320 Just cover.

00:49:44.020 That is such a brilliant point.

00:49:45.920 Yes, yes, yes.

00:49:47.260 Imagine.

00:49:47.700 This alternate universe, this sliding door, and it will slide back closed again just as soon as they decide who the Democratic nominee will be.

00:49:56.640 Rick Grinnell stays with me.

00:49:58.240 Up next, wait until we hear what Ezra Klein admitted to on a podcast yesterday.

00:50:06.200 As we mentioned, President Biden is preparing for his so-called big boy press conference.

00:50:10.780 I'm telling you, this reminds me, I have a dentist, and I like my dentist.

00:50:14.140 But every time I went in, I did Invisalign not long ago, and every time I went in for a checkup, I'd say, how much longer?

00:50:22.180 And he'd go, just another month if you're a good girl.

00:50:25.000 And then I'd go back and he'd be like, you've been a good girl, so you're going to get him up.

00:50:28.860 And I went home to Doug, and I'm like, Doug, I don't know what to say to him.

00:50:32.280 And he said, you just got to look at him, and you've got to say, you're going to have to find a different way of speaking to me.

00:50:37.340 So I'm like, I'm doing it the next time I'm doing it.

00:50:39.740 So I went in, and I was all set to say this line to the dentist.

00:50:42.240 But then he was so full of effusive praise of how well I'd been wearing the Invisalign and how I got it over and done with in four months, I didn't have the guts to say it.

00:50:50.900 And then Doug went into the dentist, same dentist, and said, gee, she loved the Invisalign so much, maybe I should get the Invisalign.

00:50:57.680 And, you know, she just was such a big fan.

00:51:00.940 And the dentist said, that's because she was a good girl.

00:51:02.920 Like I was a German shepherd.

00:51:07.440 That's OK.

00:51:09.060 We're in the same territory right now.

00:51:11.200 So we're having a big boy press conference tonight.

00:51:13.280 And he's going to have to face off with the media, who are not happy with him, unscripted.

00:51:18.340 While we wait to see what happens there, we'll have full coverage of that for you tomorrow,

00:51:22.580 the media, meantime, is turning its attention back to the real devil in this race. 0.76

00:51:27.080 And that is, of course, Donald Trump.

00:51:29.080 Yes, The New York Times is now calling on Americans to reject both of the presumptive nominees.

00:51:34.360 Let's just clean slate it going in.

00:51:37.040 On the left, I guess we'll have Kamala Harris. 0.97

00:51:39.180 And on the right, we'll have their preferred candidate of like Mitt Romney or Adam Kinzinger.

00:51:44.960 In an ominous looking editorial with a black background, the Times says in all caps that

00:51:53.320 Mr. Trump is dangerous in word, deed and action.

00:51:58.720 As the reader scrolls down, it then reveals the words.

00:52:01.680 He puts self over country.

00:52:03.800 Scroll further.

00:52:04.740 He loathes the laws we live by.

00:52:07.260 And then it ends with Donald Trump is unfit to lead.

00:52:11.240 Then there's once again, President Biden's favorite morning show host, MSNBC's Joe Scarborough,

00:52:16.860 who dramatically compared what America is facing right now to America in the run up to the Civil War.

00:52:26.540 Democrats have to unite against the immediate threat before America's 240 year constitutional republic is no more.

00:52:36.360 This result is not doubtful, Lincoln said.

00:52:39.060 We shall not fail if we stand firm.

00:52:42.260 We shall not fail if we stand together.

00:52:48.520 Because so said Lincoln then.

00:52:51.840 And so says a watchful and very worried nation now.

00:52:57.060 OK, well, while Scarborough waxes poetic about the grave threats of Donald Trump, who he supported his entire campaign for the White House was only when he found out reportedly that he wasn't going to be the vice presidential nominee or in the president's cabinet that he turned on him. 0.69

00:53:17.200 OK, it seems that many people in the media have failed to recognize one of the most troubling aspects of the whole story, and that is his hypocrisy, his ongoing lying.

00:53:30.140 People like Scarborough and that of the press and the Democrats, the American people continue to be lied to daily over and over again.

00:53:38.820 We are seeing examples of the politicians, these are Democrats, the media and the president's backers saying one thing in private and something very, very different in public from the people who attended the president's fundraisers and didn't say a word about how feeble he was.

00:53:53.340 We went over that to the so-called leaders of this country.

00:53:56.140 As we reported in our first hour, Politico reporting, that Speaker Emerita, as Nancy Pelosi calls herself, has privately suggested to some half a dozen lawmakers that President Biden's not going to win and he should step aside. 0.56

00:54:10.520 But on camera, she's not saying that.

00:54:12.900 And apparently she's not alone.

00:54:14.400 The New York Times' Ezra Klein dropped this bombshell.

00:54:18.640 The New York Times, that's the one who just did the unfit, scary, all caps.

00:54:23.700 All right, there, Ezra Klein just dropped this bombshell on the Bulwark podcast that top Democrats tell him, off the record, of course, they don't actually see Donald Trump as an existential threat.

00:54:36.880 Listen.

00:54:38.320 I think it is clear, like people are like weighing this set of things.

00:54:41.220 Like it's, you know, it would be quite unpleasant for me personally to come out against the president as an elected official in the Democratic Party and weighing what will happen if Donald Trump wins.

00:54:50.580 And saying, you know, in a revealed preference way, I can live with Donald Trump winning.

00:54:57.100 And I've had people say that to me off the record, to be fair.

00:55:00.420 I've had top Democrats say to me basically something like, I don't know why all these Democrats who think Donald Trump is an existential threat to democracy are acting the way they are. 0.99

00:55:12.160 But the reason I'm acting the way I am is because I don't – who the fuck is this? 0.98

00:55:17.280 Who the fuck thinks about out of your sources, Ezra? 0.98

00:55:19.480 I'm about to be in leaking text mode over here myself. 0.99

00:55:22.620 Like that is crazy.

00:55:24.560 That's great.

00:55:24.940 I guess it's consistent, but it's maddening.

00:55:28.120 No?

00:55:28.320 I find it maddening, but I do find it consistent, right?

00:55:33.500 I do find it to be a – look, you can say this is true in a lot of things, right?

00:55:39.180 It's a charge Republicans always throw at liberals, which is that if they really believe climate change is such a problem, they wouldn't fly on planes.

00:55:49.100 This is amazing.

00:55:50.180 Back with me now, Rick Grinnell.

00:55:52.080 So they lifted the dress up, Rick, and under there they found a bunch of Democrats who are ready to vote Trump or at least don't really find him that big a problem.

00:56:01.680 Yeah, they're undermining their message.

00:56:03.400 They're saying their message is not working.

00:56:05.280 Look, what you're missing through all of this conversation, Morning Joe and all the others, they're not talking policies.

00:56:12.000 They're not defending their policies.

00:56:14.000 They're literally talking about everything else.

00:56:16.400 I mean, Morning Joe was telling people to stand together in a very whispered way.

00:56:22.080 The Morning Joe guests are not even standing together.

00:56:25.440 They can't get the Democratic Party to stand together, let alone the entire country.

00:56:30.240 We have been gaslit.

00:56:33.220 We knew that Joe Biden was absolutely declining, and yet they decided to tell us that we were all cheapfakes and they were going to have their primary anyway.

00:56:44.720 And anyone who challenged him got silenced.

00:56:48.520 I had a Wall Street Journal reporter yesterday tell me when I was pushing back on this whole narrative that she suddenly now sees what's going on.

00:56:59.600 And I said, oh, please, you have been watching this train wreck for years.

00:57:04.420 This is about you and the media as much as it's about Joe Biden.

00:57:09.600 And you know what she said to me?

00:57:11.560 When we tried to bring anything up, they cut us out.

00:57:14.960 They froze us out.

00:57:15.960 We didn't have any access.

00:57:18.460 They've weaponized the press corps into dutiful people.

00:57:23.280 There's no speaking truth to power from this press corps.

00:57:26.280 They're all nervous about not being able to have access to the power brokers.

00:57:32.980 But everything flips if Donald Trump comes in and the press is suddenly going to be vicious attack dogs.

00:57:39.960 I love your point, Megan, about imagine a world where we just had skeptical media for both sides.

00:57:47.540 We would be so much better off.

00:57:49.280 I believe, one, you wouldn't have Joe Biden at the top of the ticket because he would have been, you know, gone through some sort of scrutiny in the beginning.

00:57:58.000 We wouldn't even have Kamala Harris because if you're a California politician, you're never scrutinized. 1.00

00:58:04.340 You're never vetted.

00:58:05.280 Our media here just let the DEIs rise to the top while the straight white guy at the top is picking all of these other people. 0.89

00:58:13.220 And so we have to have a world where the media absolutely does their job.

00:58:20.900 I hope that this is a moment that shakes them and that they begin to say, OK, we've got to change the way we're teaching journalists.

00:58:29.100 We can't have recycle and repeat.

00:58:31.460 We can't use each other as sources.

00:58:34.840 There's a whole bunch that needs to change.

00:58:37.220 I think the older journalists know this, but we've got a generation of young journalists who are absolutely terrible at doing real journalism.

00:58:45.880 And I think this is the moment.

00:58:48.160 I mean, I'll tell you this.

00:58:49.180 If Trump wins, their skepticism will remain intact.

00:58:53.380 They can ride existing skepticism right now all the way through the next four years.

00:58:58.220 Of course.

00:58:58.900 And try to pretend they've turned over a new leaf.

00:59:01.180 There was an interesting moment on CNN yesterday where the reporter was wrapping her report about the Clooney situation.

00:59:08.020 And she included the Biden White House's response.

00:59:14.000 And Jake Tapper responded almost incredulously in a way I just I have to say, I do not think we would have seen three months ago.

00:59:21.860 Watch this clip.

00:59:23.460 A campaign official who attended that Los Angeles fundraiser tells me that George Clooney left three hours before the president.

00:59:30.100 So clearly, the gloves are off, Jake.

00:59:33.100 But what does that mean that George Clooney left three hours?

00:59:35.460 What's the point?

00:59:36.820 The point of that is to suggest that Biden's stamina is better than Clooney's and Clooney didn't have eyes on the entire event.

00:59:44.020 That's the response to the Clooney op-ed.

00:59:47.900 Okay.

00:59:50.120 He's kind of laughing at it because it is laughable.

00:59:52.600 I mean, whoever, whatever you think of George Clooney, to suggest he has less stamina than Joe Biden is a joke.

00:59:58.280 The media does seem to be, you know, opening its eyes, at least to Biden's flaws.

01:00:03.780 And it's so much, Rick, that they're now piling on.

01:00:06.380 Like you're hearing more and more talk of he's a hero.

01:00:09.760 He's a great man.

01:00:11.760 But his whole legacy is going to be destroyed if he doesn't leave voluntarily.

01:00:16.920 Like we the media giveth and the media taketh away.

01:00:20.180 We will ruin you unless you do what we want.

01:00:22.920 Here's Chuck Todd.

01:00:23.620 And it has made me want to rethink a lot of the Biden biography.

01:00:29.780 I still can't believe he ran for president in the first place, given that his family was in crisis in 2018.

01:00:35.340 That I look, you look at what has happened.

01:00:37.660 I can't believe he put his family through this.

01:00:39.480 And and now looking at his behavior now in clinging to this, I, you know, I think the entire narrative on Joe Biden is going to change and that he was he's always been everything has been about his ambition and his ambition comes first.

01:00:56.500 I it's amazing.

01:00:59.420 I mean, I'm sorry, but like if we're talking about CNN and NBC here, Rick.

01:01:03.800 It's pathetic because it is still, you know, it's about power.

01:01:08.080 It's about the media losing their power of their party, the Democrats losing an election. 0.97

01:01:14.560 This is not about the greater good.

01:01:16.980 And I'm sorry, I don't believe that reporters eyes are just suddenly opened.

01:01:21.640 This is not the case.

01:01:23.440 They have known this.

01:01:24.760 They're propagandists.

01:01:25.900 They're Democrats.

01:01:27.200 They are big mad that they are losing.

01:01:30.640 They thought they they could, you know, do a covid style, you know, shakedown of the American people once again by pretending like Joe Biden is there.

01:01:41.400 And then they handed to Kamala, they were caught.

01:01:46.460 They are are plagiarists.

01:01:50.380 They're propagandists. 1.00

01:01:52.080 They're liars. 0.97

01:01:53.760 We have to fix this system.

01:01:56.580 I'm sorry.

01:01:57.280 I don't have one iota of sympathy for these reporters.

01:02:01.060 They knew they've been watching and a front in a front row seat.

01:02:05.220 And suddenly now they're embarrassed because they were caught.

01:02:10.160 They don't have newfound eyes. 0.99

01:02:13.040 Chuck Todd is pathetic when he tries to say, oh, I'm rethinking the whole biography. 0.99

01:02:17.260 You should rethink your entire journalism career. 0.99

01:02:20.600 You're supposed to be skeptical.

01:02:22.140 He is a player on the Democratic side.

01:02:25.280 This has got to change.

01:02:26.640 It's ruining our country.

01:02:28.440 Washington, D.C. has no credibility.

01:02:30.680 Everyone else outside is laughing, seeing that the king and all of the court has no clothes on.

01:02:38.360 And yet they don't get it.

01:02:40.640 They're just wising up.

01:02:41.920 They have been telling us he's he's that he is not naked.

01:02:44.340 They've been telling us that all along.

01:02:45.680 He's he's clothed.

01:02:46.900 He's clothed.

01:02:47.660 And we knew here.

01:02:48.840 I this I mentioned this the other day, but it's worthy of a read.

01:02:51.580 Matt Taibbi, via his racket news sub stack, had a piece the other day.

01:02:56.440 It's called The Lies Continue as a Matter of Principle.

01:02:59.340 And this is to your point of how the White House press corps has been it's been co-opted.

01:03:04.220 They've they've been beaten into submission, you know, but like that Wall Street Journal

01:03:09.900 reporter said, if if you said that to me while I was covering, you know, the walls, the White

01:03:15.000 House or whatever, I I would run on the air and tell everybody that you just said that

01:03:18.820 not you.

01:03:19.620 Right.

01:03:19.860 I would expose whoever did that to me.

01:03:22.740 And this is kind of the point that Matt's making.

01:03:24.840 He writes and he's made a whole career of annoying people.

01:03:27.600 So he, you know, he he means it.

01:03:29.840 He's talking about Brian Stelter doing this navel gazing piece like, did we really screw

01:03:35.420 up?

01:03:35.880 Was it really us?

01:03:37.460 And he says, by itself, this is an insult.

01:03:39.980 Audiences know the answer.

01:03:41.100 Yes.

01:03:41.940 Also, this is not a Biden age story, but a Biden dementia story, a flood of these Stelter

01:03:46.980 style wither us features asking if the press missed the Biden incapacity story have arrived.

01:03:54.140 And he says, and I feel like screaming, you are only talking to each other.

01:03:59.260 Peter Baker of The New York Times, which is still congratulating itself for its behind the

01:04:03.500 scenes.

01:04:03.880 Biden increasingly is a vegetable story from Tuesday offered the most shameful line.

01:04:10.060 This is Taibbi quoting Baker quote.

01:04:12.440 They really hate us over these stories.

01:04:15.200 The administration's pushback is pretty strong and their resentment of the coverage is pretty

01:04:20.540 deep to the point that they'd, that they've complained to our editors.

01:04:25.480 Taibbi, a beat writer who says they complained to my editors on the record, might as well be 0.99

01:04:31.420 wearing a hat reading, ask me about my missing balls. 0.87

01:04:36.500 The whole point of having personality, a personality like say Seymour Hersh, formerly of the New York 0.98

01:04:42.700 Times, the New Yorker, is to make even the White House afraid of calling your editor.

01:04:50.320 Yeah, look, I've been in and around Washington, D.C. for more than 25 years.

01:04:56.580 We have a crisis in journalism because all of these people, Peter Baker, all of them, they

01:05:04.260 get their entire existence out of their social status in Washington, D.C.

01:05:11.040 They're friends with these people, Megan.

01:05:13.200 The reason why they're so devastated that someone's calling their editor is because it's

01:05:17.340 like their friend, their teammate from the White House, the people that they socialize

01:05:24.100 with, that they love, that they spend Christmas with, these people are turning on them and

01:05:29.800 they're mad at them.

01:05:30.920 So they're upset that their friends are turning on them.

01:05:33.840 They need to act like journalists.

01:05:35.620 They need to not be friends with political people.

01:05:38.660 I know you can be nice, and I'm not saying that we need to have a system where you can't

01:05:43.800 go to dinner and you can't be friends.

01:05:47.400 I'm close friends with a lot of reporters.

01:05:50.180 I don't trust any of them.

01:05:52.340 They're not my close, close friends.

01:05:55.420 They are people that should act like journalists to me.

01:05:58.700 Yes.

01:05:59.040 Can they have humanity? 0.66

01:06:00.400 And can we congratulate each other on moments where you achieve something?

01:06:06.180 Or your daughter graduates from college?

01:06:10.200 Yes, you can be an actual human, but you cannot be deep friends with somebody that you're supposed

01:06:16.760 to be holding to account.

01:06:19.140 I'm sorry.

01:06:19.960 That is just not going to work.

01:06:21.660 And the problem with Washington, D.C., they're all intermixed now. 1.00

01:06:25.700 Lobbyists, Democrat staffers, Democrat politicians, the media, bureaucrats, all of them go to church

01:06:34.700 together, they socialize together.

01:06:37.140 We've got to stop.

01:06:38.460 The rest of us outside of Washington, D.C. have to stop asking these people to hold each

01:06:43.900 other to account and to shrink the budget of Washington, D.C. or somehow become less

01:06:51.440 powerful in Washington, D.C.

01:06:53.240 They're never going to do it.

01:06:54.380 It would be akin like coming to Los Angeles and saying, hey, guys, I've got a great idea.

01:06:59.160 Let's get rid of movies.

01:07:00.500 Everyone in this town is going to attack you.

01:07:03.880 And that's what's happening in Washington.

01:07:05.660 They're all too familiar with each other.

01:07:08.820 No one is actually speaking truth to power.

01:07:12.520 There's no courage.

01:07:14.160 They're all just existing together and watching the big budget and big, powerful government

01:07:19.260 get even stronger every single day.

01:07:22.460 Oh, God.

01:07:23.520 Everything you said is so correct.

01:07:25.080 Um, I want to ask you before I let you go about the RNC next week.

01:07:29.260 I mean, I kind of see it as somewhat unfortunate timing because Trump's been doing such a good

01:07:33.660 job of just letting Biden twist in the wind that, you know, you're right.

01:07:37.640 He must take center stage, but that's fine.

01:07:39.640 I think Republicans will be very enthusiastic.

01:07:41.620 And I, as you point out, I think his messaging next week will be about the Democrats.

01:07:46.160 It doesn't have to be about Joe Biden has to be about the Democrats and what they've done.

01:07:49.900 All of these Democrats are talking about replacing Joe Biden with are going to do exactly

01:07:53.180 what Joe Biden's been doing.

01:07:54.900 Um, but in any event, it's a big event.

01:07:57.000 And, uh, yesterday we had on the show, Tulsi Gabbard, who I asked her about the reported

01:08:01.940 shortlist of Rubio, JD Vance and Doug Burgum.

01:08:06.280 I point out again to the audience this time in 16, at this point in the race, Mike Pence

01:08:13.400 was barely a footnote to the list of possible VPs for Trump.

01:08:18.000 It was all about Newt Gingrich.

01:08:19.560 Um, no.

01:08:21.100 Okay.

01:08:21.320 So it was very wrong last time and it could be very wrong this time, but she said absolutely

01:08:25.020 not to Rubio in her view, called him a neocon establishment warmonger and said of the list

01:08:30.960 she's heard it absolutely should not be him.

01:08:33.220 Do you have any thoughts or insight on who's likely to get it?

01:08:36.760 Trump saying this week, he wants to announce it at the, at the convention to gin up, you know,

01:08:41.740 excitement.

01:08:43.040 Well, first of all, let me take the first point.

01:08:44.660 Cause I got something to say about the timing of the convention.

01:08:46.920 You're exactly right on that.

01:08:48.560 Uh, remember Republicans are going first and then we've got two weeks of the Olympics and

01:08:54.320 then the Democrats go.

01:08:56.220 So they are very lucky in that they're going to get this two week period where the world

01:09:01.620 is going to focus on, uh, the Olympics.

01:09:03.860 Certainly NBC and MSNBC is going to, they're going to have to get their monies out of the

01:09:08.080 Olympics.

01:09:08.480 So they're going to be trying to push those messaging.

01:09:10.920 That's a reprieve for the Democrats.

01:09:13.120 They get a little time to figure things out.

01:09:15.420 So going so early, uh, I think is a disadvantage for Republicans.

01:09:20.520 Um, on the VP search, I will just say, you won't be surprised.

01:09:24.540 I'm not going to give my opinion.

01:09:26.360 I'm, I'm, uh, somebody who, uh, I think I know a little bit too much.

01:09:31.680 I certainly don't know who the president's going to pick.

01:09:33.940 Nobody knows who the president's going to pick.

01:09:35.720 But, uh, I will say this, there's a lot of people on the list.

01:09:41.020 Um, I don't believe that it's just those three people that he's considering.

01:09:45.940 I think he's considering a whole bunch of people.

01:09:48.640 Um, and anybody who talks about knowing who's up, who's down, who's out, I think is just

01:09:54.460 blabbering.

01:09:55.220 Uh, president Trump keeps that pretty close to his, uh, chest and, uh, you know, he, he's

01:10:01.700 going to pick somebody from a large pool of people that are going to be better than Kamala

01:10:06.920 Harris for sure.

01:10:08.360 Hmm.

01:10:09.280 Well, it was November of 2022 when you came on this show and had a warning for those throwing

01:10:17.240 their hat into the presidential race on behalf of team Trump.

01:10:20.780 And it was put on your big boy pants.

01:10:25.740 It ain't beanbag.

01:10:28.080 It's politics.

01:10:29.200 So put on your big boy pants.

01:10:30.460 No complaining.

01:10:31.800 Don't say he's too mean.

01:10:33.340 Uh, this is the primary.

01:10:34.440 We're confident that if Donald Trump runs, Donald Trump is the nominee.

01:10:38.760 Yeah, I feel that they got the message at the white house.

01:10:41.440 We'll look forward to the big boy press conference and can't wait.

01:10:45.320 I hope to see you next week.

01:10:47.180 All the best.

01:10:48.580 See you soon.

01:10:51.440 I can't even believe that's become a thing, but it has.

01:10:54.220 When we come back, uh, one of the smartest men in politics, he's been covering them for

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01:11:14.500 Bill Salmon is here next.

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01:12:19.420 So glad to bring on my former colleague, longtime journalist, Bill Salmon, for the first time on

01:12:24.780 the show during this historic week.

01:12:26.300 Bill Salmon, the man responsible for my television career.

01:12:30.760 Great to see you.

01:12:31.780 It's so good to see you, Megan.

01:12:32.960 You're being way too generous.

01:12:34.420 I wish I could claim credit for your television career, but I played a very minor role.

01:12:39.400 No, it's not true.

01:12:40.700 So I'll tell the audience what I'm talking about.

01:12:41.880 Way, way back when I was, I mean, I had gotten on television.

01:12:46.720 I was working part-time at the ABC affiliate in Washington, D.C.

01:12:51.140 It was my first attempt at TV, that job.

01:12:55.020 I was invited by that affiliate to go to the White House or to the radio and television

01:13:00.660 correspondence dinner.

01:13:01.580 That's the dinner depicted in broadcast news.

01:13:03.620 And I was so excited because I'd seen broadcast news a million times.

01:13:07.760 I loved news.

01:13:08.900 I loved my budding career.

01:13:10.220 I was so over being a lawyer, but I was still working part-time as a lawyer.

01:13:14.780 And I remember going to the hairstylist before the event.

01:13:17.900 And I said, I've got a black dress and I've got a hot pink dress.

01:13:21.740 What do you think?

01:13:22.260 And she said, do you want to stand out?

01:13:24.240 And I said, yes.

01:13:25.080 And she said, go with the hot pink. 1.00

01:13:26.660 So I wore the hot pink dress.

01:13:28.520 I went to the dinner.

01:13:30.060 I didn't know anybody.

01:13:31.740 I knew like one person from WJLA.

01:13:34.580 And I met this very tall man just sitting there.

01:13:38.900 We were both getting a drink named Bill Salmon.

01:13:41.020 I had no idea who you were or what you did.

01:13:44.080 And we started to talk.

01:13:45.360 And at the end of the conversation, you said, have you gotten your tape to Fox yet?

01:13:50.340 And I said, no.

01:13:51.800 And I really didn't know that much about Fox.

01:13:53.800 And you said, think about it.

01:13:55.700 Here's my card.

01:13:56.760 Call me if you have any interest.

01:13:59.000 And I did call you.

01:14:00.560 And you helped get my tape to Kim Hume, who is the D.C. Bureau Chief.

01:14:06.400 And then the rest, as they say, is history.

01:14:10.200 Yeah, that was so much fun.

01:14:12.440 You know, that was 20 years ago.

01:14:13.760 Can you believe that?

01:14:15.080 Yeah.

01:14:15.920 I remember being at that party.

01:14:17.700 I was standing at one of those high-top tables talking with a guy named Marshall Sella from the New York Times magazine.

01:14:25.440 Really good guy.

01:14:26.460 And you walked in in that pink dress.

01:14:28.980 And for whatever crazy reason, you headed over our way and started engaging us in conversation.

01:14:35.820 And I was so incredibly impressed with your wit, with your, you know, just your incredible intelligence.

01:14:45.960 And you were telling me that you were, as you said, working part-time as a local TV reporter and part-time as Jones.

01:14:53.220 I think it was Jones Day as a law firm.

01:14:54.840 Yeah.

01:14:54.980 And I said something along the lines of, and I was sort of kind of half serious.

01:14:59.700 I said, well, you ought to come over to Fox News.

01:15:03.500 Now, at that time, I wasn't an employee.

01:15:04.980 I was a contributor.

01:15:06.400 And I remember your response.

01:15:08.540 And you may not remember this, but you said something self-deprecating like, you know, I haven't really covered any national, you know, international stuff.

01:15:17.020 And I said, listen, Megan.

01:15:18.380 I'm too green, I said.

01:15:20.940 Yes.

01:15:21.520 I said, cable news is the land of instant expertise.

01:15:24.240 Do you think I knew what I was going to talk about when I went on Brit Hume's show tonight when I woke up this morning?

01:15:29.660 No.

01:15:30.340 I, you know, I studied up on it and faked it, you know.

01:15:34.580 Anyway, you're right.

01:15:35.420 I got you over there to meet with Kim Hume.

01:15:37.460 And then you took it from there.

01:15:38.940 And, wow, what a career it's been.

01:15:40.940 It's been fantastic.

01:15:42.700 Well, it's wonderful to be back together.

01:15:44.340 And I appreciate you being here.

01:15:46.160 And what a time.

01:15:47.600 My God.

01:15:48.320 I mean, in those 20 years or before, Bill,

01:15:50.700 have you ever seen anything like what's happening on the Dem side right now?

01:15:55.520 No.

01:15:56.120 And, you know, I've been sort of retired for a few years, but I've come back into it in recent months.

01:16:01.240 I'm doing some consulting work and kind of getting back into the game.

01:16:04.960 And what I used to tell myself during my retirement was, 0.99

01:16:07.820 this is great because the national conversation has gotten so dumb. 0.95

01:16:11.520 I'm so glad to be out of it.

01:16:12.780 But I'll tell you, I happened to get back into it, and it got real interesting real fast.

01:16:17.900 This is bonkers to be able to cover these consequential monumental developments.

01:16:24.760 And, you know, we think we've seen, you know, some big stuff in the last two and a half weeks.

01:16:29.040 Wait for the next four months.

01:16:31.000 I mean, all of the scenarios in front of us are crazy.

01:16:34.360 And, I mean, even the least, you know, even the most likely scenarios are going to be extraordinary.

01:16:41.600 So, yeah, this is a great time to be in the business, no matter what your politics are or preferences are.

01:16:47.580 Just covering these big stories is a blast.

01:16:51.000 Because the Dems aren't done with their lawfare against Trump.

01:16:53.920 It's been gutted, but they're not done.

01:16:56.060 And I still, I haven't counted Jack Smith out of taking just the things Trump's lawyer admitted at the Supreme Court argument are not official acts and filing a new indictment just based on those, something Trump can't now go back on.

01:17:11.720 He's got to admit that those were not official acts, so there's no immunity, and try to indict him and go forward with a jiffy quick trial with a very friendly judge to the prosecution before, it's not going to happen before November, but before inauguration.

01:17:25.240 That's, before J6, that's what they're looking to do.

01:17:28.600 So, all the action won't be on the Dems side.

01:17:30.760 There's still going to be some action over on the GOP side, because the Dems are going to go down swinging.

01:17:36.160 I want to tell you, this just hit from NBC News and reporter Amanda Turkle, who reports as follows.

01:17:42.620 Several of Biden's closest allies, including three people directly involved in the re-election efforts, tell, and then she named three reporters,

01:17:51.500 they now see his chances of winning as zero.

01:17:56.780 These are several of his closest allies.

01:18:00.240 Quote, he needs to drop out.

01:18:01.760 One campaign official said he will never recover from this.

01:18:05.480 Quote, no one involved in the effort thinks he has a path, said a second person working to elect him.

01:18:12.400 I think they're right, but I don't like state overstate it, but I think that that's the smart analysis.

01:18:18.240 What do you think?

01:18:18.660 I think it is right.

01:18:20.780 And, you know, every day when I follow this story, I take my own sort of gut check.

01:18:25.900 And, you know, I ask myself, what percentage do I think, you know, the likelihood of Joe Biden getting out?

01:18:31.520 And it was, you know, the first few days it was at 90 percent.

01:18:34.240 And then, you know, there was this there's an ebb and flow to the story.

01:18:37.640 And you saw a few days back when, you know, he started kind of, you know, get getting back in the game.

01:18:42.520 And my percentage went down to 60 percent.

01:18:45.880 It's back at 95, 98 now because the inevitability of it is so overpowering.

01:18:54.080 When you look at Nancy Pelosi's statements yesterday, when you look at just you don't have to read the tea leaves.

01:18:59.420 It is just so blatantly obvious he is going to be convinced against his, you know, against his will to change his mind.

01:19:10.140 That is almost certainly the case.

01:19:13.460 I mean, look, is there a tiny chance that he just against all the advice, against all the urgings, he puts his head down and grinds it out to the convention?

01:19:23.320 Yeah.

01:19:23.540 But even then, I think at that point, it will be such it will be so contentious that I wouldn't rule out.

01:19:30.820 Now, this is probably the least likely of all the crazy scenarios out there.

01:19:34.280 But I still think I wouldn't rule out the idea that they could try to forcibly remove him.

01:19:40.320 You've touched on this before.

01:19:41.400 The language which says in good conscience, we delegates have pledged to vote for Joe Biden.

01:19:46.580 And, well, that's a pretty big loophole, because in good conscience, if you think that the guy's not up to the job and your conscience doesn't allow you to vote for him, you know, that's a pretty big out.

01:19:57.960 Now, I don't think it'll get to that.

01:19:59.500 But I think if necessary, the Democrats are prepared to to go there because they have a very strong survival instinct.

01:20:08.580 The Democratic Party, like any political party, you saw this in 2020 when they almost inexplicably nominated Bernie Sanders.

01:20:16.160 To be the nominee, which was I thought would have been political suicide heading into that election.

01:20:21.920 Just given the realities of the politics, I thought Trump would have, you know, would easily beaten him.

01:20:29.520 But they came to their senses and belatedly, you know, kind of rallied around Joe Biden, who was viewed as, well, he's not, you know, that far left.

01:20:37.080 So we could probably get him in.

01:20:38.840 You're seeing the same thing happen in slow motion here.

01:20:42.300 This idea that, well, maybe Biden can get in.

01:20:44.920 No, everyone is coming to the conclusion that we're going to lose.

01:20:48.340 We're going to lose the White House.

01:20:50.020 We're going to lose the House.

01:20:51.300 They're already going to lose the Senate before this debacle.

01:20:54.140 And here's the big thing, Megan.

01:20:55.680 And you as a lawyer and a former Supreme Court watcher and a current Supreme Court watcher.

01:21:00.940 You know, this doesn't get enough attention.

01:21:02.320 It is terrifying to Democrats that this man, Donald John Trump, who has already appointed a third of the Supreme Court justices, may well, by the end of this drama, have appointed two thirds of the Supreme Court justices.

01:21:18.960 I don't know if he's going to get three picks, but he'll get several.

01:21:22.020 And that alone is terrifying when you think about from the Democratic perspective, when you think about how they view the Dobbs decision and all these other decisions and lots of, you know, lots of developments, not to mention the other judiciary further down on the bench on the court.

01:21:37.680 So, yeah, this is this is really a bad time for Democrats.

01:21:42.320 And I think they are determined to get them off the ticket.

01:21:46.060 That's a good point about the Supreme Court.

01:21:47.640 We're going to hear the din in the wake of this disaster for Sotomayor to leave the bench at what is she, 70, grow even louder than it's been right there.

01:21:56.200 She's relatively young, but she's not in the best health.

01:21:58.660 But I mean, it would be this is a young age for somebody to go.

01:22:01.540 But we already heard it.

01:22:02.880 We heard somebody say Kagan should go.

01:22:04.780 Now, Kagan is young and has a long future ahead of her, but they they just want to make sure nothing happens to their you know, they want somebody who's basically 33 to be appointed to the bench by whoever's running the show over there in the Biden White House.

01:22:20.220 And right now they control the Senate.

01:22:21.620 And thanks to the Republicans getting rid of the filibuster, which was in response to the Democrats getting rid of it for younger for lower court judges.

01:22:28.940 They do control the Senate right now.

01:22:30.380 Listen to this.

01:22:30.900 It's just broke.

01:22:31.440 The NATO leaders are speaking out now.

01:22:35.040 This is via Politico behind the smiling handshakes.

01:22:37.860 NATO leaders are unnerved by a weakened Biden quote.

01:22:41.000 You're worried if he knows which direction he's going or whether he's going to fall or what he's going to forget, said one senior European diplomat.

01:22:49.800 Just what's interesting about it is that they're talking and that the press is reporting it.

01:22:54.740 And then secondly, there's this by Ed O'Keefe with CBS, who says as follows, he's gotten he's gotten his hands on the memo that's going to be shared with Democratic senators later today.

01:23:09.340 The top members of the Joe Biden campaign are going over to try to show up support with them.

01:23:13.540 Quote, there is no there's no indication that anyone else would outperform the president against Trump.

01:23:21.120 Hypothetical polling of alternative alternative nominees will always be unreliable.

01:23:25.620 And surveys do not take into account the negative media environment that any Democratic nominee will encounter.

01:23:31.400 The only Democratic candidate for whom this is already baked in is President Biden.

01:23:36.820 That's an interesting argument, because I do think, Bill, the press.

01:23:41.600 Yes, Republican commentators will probably take shots at whoever steps in.

01:23:47.200 But the press is Democratic.

01:23:48.680 They're largely Democrats.

01:23:50.000 And the press is going to anoint anyone not named Biden.

01:23:55.300 Am I wrong?

01:23:56.880 No.

01:23:57.720 And and you're you're actually exactly right.

01:24:01.400 Um, if the press will there'll be a rally around the beleaguered Democratic ticket effect, whether it's Harris or somebody else.

01:24:10.460 And believe me, you're already seeing foreshadowings of this where it's going to be.

01:24:14.120 Let's win one for Joe.

01:24:16.120 Let's win one for the Gipper.

01:24:17.960 He's a hero now.

01:24:19.220 So this even in Clooney's, you know, op ed yesterday where he said, you know, you could be the hero.

01:24:24.300 So there will be this sort of gross hero worship and they'll carry him, hoist him up on their shoulders and march him around like we're winning this for Joe.

01:24:34.620 And I'll tell you, the relief, the relief of just succeeding and getting Biden off the top of the ticket will translate into a an enthusiasm among Democrats, especially if it's obviously it's going to be a younger, more vigorous candidate, no matter who it is.

01:24:53.260 That will translate into, yes, you know, these polls that show that, you know, that Biden's too old.

01:24:59.800 None of that.

01:25:00.540 All of that is a moot point.

01:25:01.880 Now we have a young, vigorous and we're going to, you know, we're going to defeat the evil and the conversation will turn back to Trump.

01:25:07.420 And the press will be so vested and they'll be so excited in covering this, this, this shiny new object, whoever it is.

01:25:15.840 That that'll, that'll count for a lot of points, uh, when it comes to voting.

01:25:21.420 It's also going to relieve the press in a way of its responsibility in covering this whole thing up to begin with.

01:25:28.940 If Biden stays in the role runs and loses the come to Jesus moment, that's going to happen after the loss is going to include the media.

01:25:38.400 But if they can sub him out and participate in anointing the new Democrat, it's all forgotten.

01:25:45.600 We won in the end.

01:25:46.720 That's the important thing.

01:25:48.960 Yeah.

01:25:49.360 Yeah.

01:25:49.800 The media is quite conflicted right now.

01:25:52.200 There's so many different impulses.

01:25:54.340 On the one hand, they're embarrassed by the fact that they don't, they didn't, they didn't cover this story sufficiently.

01:26:01.540 That is, you know, Biden's cognitive decline.

01:26:04.640 They're angry at the, at the white house and the campaign for allegedly, uh, hiding this from the press.

01:26:12.700 When I think it was pretty clear to the press and all of us that what was going on, if you look at the polls, um, they're, they're alarmed that Trump will win now.

01:26:22.120 I mean, that's a big impulse in the press, but at the same time, you know, in their dark little hearts, you know, most of these folks are, or are reporters and journalists.

01:26:32.020 And so they're also excited like you and I are about the prospect of covering this, but, uh, so there's, there's a real witch's brew of, of impulses that are mixing around in their heads.

01:26:43.180 But yeah, they, they're, they are not happy about how they are looking and how this came out because again, and I know you've made this point on your show before you look at, you know, you talked about the foreign leaders and they're sort of saying, Hey, you know, what are we going to do with this guy?

01:27:00.140 Uh, you know, you look at his recent trips to Europe when he's wandering away from the Italian prime minister, when he's, you know, doing all these things.

01:27:07.480 And, and we were told you haters, you terrible haters.

01:27:12.440 He was obviously looking at the guy parachuting or George Clooney, George Clooney, the host of the biggest democratic fundraiser in American history, gave this guy $30 million.

01:27:26.340 George Clooney now says, yeah, he was every bit as bad at the fundraiser as he was at the debate.

01:27:34.240 Well, then why didn't George Clooney tell us that?

01:27:37.240 Didn't he have an obligation to tell us that until, you know, he waited until after it became manifestly obvious to all of us by watching that debate.

01:27:45.620 Now he comes out after, you know, by the way, two or two weeks plus after that debate and says, yeah, actually guys, he was like that.

01:27:53.740 What were we told when we saw the footage of that fundraiser when Biden was led off the stage by Barack Obama?

01:28:00.000 Obama, you haters, you terrible biased haters.

01:28:03.500 He was simply basking in the applause for a few moments and Biden, you know, and Obama kind of, you know, put his arm around him.

01:28:10.300 And so it was all true.

01:28:12.200 And the cheap fakes and, and the Robert Herr, you know, he's an elderly man with a forgetful memory.

01:28:19.860 Oh my gosh, the special counsel is such a partisan.

01:28:23.300 How can he, that's so inappropriate.

01:28:24.640 No, it was an extraordinary thing to say, but he saw how extraordinary the situation was and he had to cover his own rear end by making sure I'm putting this in the report.

01:28:34.840 This guy is.

01:28:35.520 If anything, it was understated.

01:28:37.500 I mean, the media is mad.

01:28:38.860 They knew, but they didn't.

01:28:40.660 The way I see it is they, we all knew he was at an eight.

01:28:44.120 The only thing we learned that night was he he's at a 10 on this, you know, infirmity scale.

01:28:49.300 So, okay, I'll give the media some outrage over the last two points, but those who didn't report this story when he was at an eight have no right.

01:28:58.520 They've lost their standing to complain.

01:29:01.440 Meanwhile, they see him out there.

01:29:03.860 He, you know, each day has been a new test, which is all a lie.

01:29:06.940 They've seen enough.

01:29:07.840 They know whatever happens at the presser, but day after day, he's what he's always been, but especially over the past three years, a gaffe machine.

01:29:15.780 Here he is last night at the White House NATO dinner.

01:29:19.420 Watch this.

01:29:21.460 The allies in this room not only share a common language, don't share a common language.

01:29:27.240 We do not share a common border, but we're our neighbors.

01:29:31.880 We're neighbors.

01:29:34.840 Okay.

01:29:36.100 He can't, he cannot string two sentences together, even in the prompter.

01:29:40.160 And, you know, look, it's not his fault.

01:29:46.540 The guy got old.

01:29:48.080 I mean, we're, it's coming for all of us.

01:29:49.980 And, you know, you set aside the policy, set aside the politics.

01:29:52.820 This is about biology.

01:29:54.400 This is about actuarial tables.

01:29:56.500 It is not his fault that he got old.

01:29:59.080 It may be his fault that he's trying to stay into the race when he probably shouldn't be in the race.

01:30:03.140 But, you know, it's beyond his control, the fact that he has gone into this cognitive decline.

01:30:10.680 He will eventually be made to realize that he's going to have to get off that ticket.

01:30:15.860 But it's hard.

01:30:16.480 I mean, I tell you, I prayed for Joe Biden the Sunday after the debate, just as a fellow human being.

01:30:23.400 Like, oh, you know, I felt sorry for the guy.

01:30:24.980 And by the way, in politics, when, when it's one thing to get your brain speed in by your opponent in politics.

01:30:33.180 And that's, you know, a tough day at the office when your opponent or what others start to pity you or feel sorry for you.

01:30:40.000 It is over.

01:30:41.520 It's over.

01:30:42.620 Especially as a man.

01:30:43.540 I mean, especially as a man.

01:30:44.880 I know I have empathy for his condition and position as a human.

01:30:49.040 And I do, I do put most of the blame on his wife, I have to be honest, his family, because I've had family members deteriorate.

01:30:58.500 And once they've, they've deteriorated, it's hard to say the decision making should be on them.

01:31:04.580 There comes a point in time, and I believe he's there, where the decision making has to be made by those around the person who truly love them and want to see what's best for them.

01:31:13.180 Um, and Jill, Jill Biden wasn't elected to do first what's best for the country.

01:31:18.220 She's elected to do what's best for him, you know, in, in, in their marriage vows that she elected that for that.

01:31:24.280 It's just deeply wrong that she's not doing it.

01:31:27.040 Um, I'll say this bill, this just broke from the times.

01:31:30.340 It's, it's correct.

01:31:32.080 Um, a small group of Mr.

01:31:33.800 Biden's advisors in the administration and the campaign, at least two of whom have told allies, they do not believe he should keep trying to run for a second term,

01:31:41.840 have said they'd have to convince the president of several things to get him to drop out one.

01:31:48.720 Uh, they would have to make the case to the president who remains convinced of the strength of his campaign that he cannot win against Trump.

01:31:56.340 They would have to persuade him to believe that another candidate like Harris could beat Trump.

01:32:01.900 And they would have to assure Mr.

01:32:04.260 Biden that should he step aside, the process to choose another candidate would be orderly and not devolve into chaos in the democratic party.

01:32:12.620 And on the subject of number two, I mean, it is pretty interesting.

01:32:16.420 Like could Kamala Harris beat Trump and will Joe Biden lose?

01:32:22.880 You know, there was, um, there was a Washington times, uh, poll, sorry, Washington post poll that just came out today that had just a sliver of good news for Joe Biden.

01:32:35.060 But the post admits that its own poll is an outlier.

01:32:39.180 It's a registered voters, right?

01:32:41.120 Not as good as likely.

01:32:42.120 And it said that, um, put this race at a dead heat, 46, 46 doesn't have the battlegrounds, uh, but it does say it points out that across eight other post-debate national polls tracked by the post, Trump is leading by 3.5 percentage points.

01:33:00.420 So that's the kind of thing that's the Democrats who want him gone.

01:33:05.360 That's their worst nightmare.

01:33:06.340 Any ammo that Joe Biden can use to make himself believe I can do this.

01:33:12.660 Yeah.

01:33:13.380 And, you know, I think the, the, the, you're right.

01:33:15.580 The post was, uh, and they acknowledged they were a bit of an outlier when it came to the just top line, you know, who's, who's ahead.

01:33:23.120 I think it was 46, 46, uh, in the poll Trump and Biden, but you're right about the Harris thing.

01:33:29.340 And, and here's the, here's the move for Harris because look, it is very likely that Joe Biden,

01:33:35.720 like we've discussed, is going to probably end up getting off the top of the ticket.

01:33:39.360 So then the question becomes who's going to be the standard bearer.

01:33:42.440 And I agree that with a conventional wisdom that the default position or certainly the, the, the, the favorite you'd have to give her that status, uh, would be Harris.

01:33:52.800 I mean, she's the vice president. 0.97

01:33:54.280 She has the institutional, uh, you know, uh, legitimacy to, to an extent, uh, that the others don't.

01:34:02.420 She has the war chest and on and on and on, but I think Harris is also aware of what everyone else is aware of and what everyone else is talking about, which is to say her weak points.

01:34:15.060 She was a terrible campaigner. 1.00

01:34:16.820 Uh, she wasn't considered a very particularly good vice president.

01:34:20.720 And so I think to compensate for those or to mitigate those coming out of the gate, um, I think it would behoove her to very quickly, if not immediately select a vice presidential running mate for herself. 0.99

01:34:37.200 Now, from among the top tier of people who are otherwise being considered as possibly the next, uh, top of the ticket, like Andy Beshears, the governor of, uh, Kentucky, or if you want to go with an all woman ticket, you know, Gretchen Whitmer or governor of Michigan or whomever it is.

01:34:54.620 If you, if you, if you co-opt one of those, uh, other sort of top tier people that are being considered, you take some of the wind out of the sails of the camp that says, well, let's not do a coronation with Harris.

01:35:09.280 Let's, you know, let's make it an open convention.

01:35:11.900 And so everybody gets a fair shot.

01:35:13.540 Uh, and I think even Harris from her perspective has to sort of go along with that thinking to, uh, to an extent she has to, in other words, she'd love a coronation, but she also knows the optics of a coronation probably aren't going to fly.

01:35:26.280 So she'll have to at least play along with some sort of a, a, a, a token comp, uh, a, a, a token competition. 0.99

01:35:34.260 And I think she would go a long way if she would again, co-opt somebody that's more likable than herself.

01:35:40.000 And by the way, from that person's perspective, whether it's Bashir, whether it's Whitmer or whomever, I think a lot of these people whose names are being talked about as possible, uh, you know, presidential candidates at this late stage are loath to be the person that elbows aside the African American woman within the democratic party.

01:36:03.360 So I think they might look at this and say, you know, it might be the path to the presidency, which is where I want to get to might be better through the vice presidency.

01:36:14.140 If I get on the ticket, I don't have to be seen as the heavy and knocking, you know, the, the, the, the black woman aside. 1.00

01:36:20.840 And, you know, I'm poised after she's done with her presidency, assuming she wins, that's a big if, uh, that, that, that, you know, I'd be, you know, next in line to run for the thing.

01:36:31.520 So I think that for the calculations, it's going through everybody's head.

01:36:34.800 Um, the, on the subject we're discussing for the New York times is just breaking the Biden campaign is quietly testing Kamala's chances to beat Trump. 0.74

01:36:42.740 If Biden were to set a step aside, that's the Biden campaign doing that.

01:36:46.880 Now I'm sure they're doing it for two reasons.

01:36:48.420 Number one, they need it pursuant to the times reporting to convince Joe Biden to step aside.

01:36:53.440 They need something to show him she's polling better than you are against him.

01:36:57.620 And number two, they want to know themselves whether she can do it.

01:37:01.880 Uh, this breaking as Axios is now reporting that president Biden is poised to face a sudden flood of new statements from house Democrats, urging him to exit the race, regardless of what happens at his NATO big boy presser tonight, according to more than half a dozen lawmakers.

01:37:20.140 This isn't, this didn't go the way the white house wanted it to go this week.

01:37:23.920 They had a period where things were looking a little better and it was all downhill from there.

01:37:28.380 Bill, I'll give you the last word on where you think we'll be 72 hours from now.

01:37:32.940 Well, I think, uh, he may be out in 72 hours and I think the democratic party, you know, looking at the trauma that is ahead of them, they may, if they're going to go through all that trouble and all that pain, they may be willing to go the extra yard and say, yeah, we're not going to coronate Kamala Harris because we're not going to go through all this trouble to end up with someone that we think is also going to lose.

01:37:54.000 So if they conclude that she's not electable either, they'll, you know, take their chances with offending black voters and skip over her, maybe put a Westmore or some other African-American at the top of the ticket, but they don't want to go through all this trouble and trauma just to lose anyway. 0.55

01:38:08.980 That's exactly right. I mean, they, they, they need to win. That's what they want more than anything. And not just the white house. They need to hold on to the Senate, which as you point out is extremely unlikely and possibly take the house. And they, they're just, I don't see their, them going down without swinging just because they don't want to offend the, the Kamala Harris fans.

01:38:30.040 There are ways of appeasing those people without elevating an equally unelectable person. Bill Salmon. What a time. Please come back soon.

01:38:40.720 Thank you, Megan.

01:38:41.540 All right. We're going to be watching the big boy press conference tonight. We'll bring you your big boy news tomorrow with Michael Knowles, plus a deep dive on what the polls are actually showing. See you then.

01:38:54.360 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 11, 2024

Is Obama Orchestrating Biden's Exit, and Media Elite Start Telling Truth, with Ric Grenell and Bill Sammon ｜ Ep. 835

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