The Megyn Kelly Show - Is The Left Turning on Biden, with Charlamagne tha God, and Pastor John Amanchukwu on the Truth About America ｜ Ep. 800

00:00:00.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.060 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. It is our 800th episode today.

00:00:18.840 Wow. 800 episodes. How did we get here? Thanks to all of you. That's how. Thanks so much for

00:00:24.500 tuning in this day and all the others. We've had some great shows recently and today is

00:00:28.320 yet another that I'm super excited to bring to you, featuring two first-time guests here on The

00:00:34.000 MK Show. Remember that viral, you ain't black if you're not voting for me comment by then-candidate

00:00:41.580 Joe Biden during the 2020 campaign? Well, you can thank my next guest for that one. Joining me now

00:00:47.780 is Charlamagne Tha God. He is the author of the new book, Get Honest or Die Lying, Why Small Talk Sucks.

00:00:56.600 Find out more and get tickets for book signings at whysmalltalksucks.com.

00:01:05.980 Charlamagne, welcome to the show.

00:01:07.480 Thanks, Megyn. Thank you for having me. How are you?

00:01:09.540 I'm great. It's so nice to meet you. You've made so much news with politicians and other

00:01:13.900 cultural figures over the year, many of which we've played on this show, the soundbites thereof.

00:01:19.460 That one with Joe Biden just went completely viral. And then I saw you on The View yesterday,

00:01:25.760 where they were trying to zero in on you and Biden and this presidential race. And those ladies 1.00

00:01:31.420 really, really, really wanted you to say that you endorse him. You didn't want to do it. But

00:01:38.440 eventually you admitted, OK, it's it's kind of a binary choice here. I mean, it's basically a binary

00:01:43.040 choice and that you're not going to vote for Trump. So why wouldn't you just be explicit about it? I

00:01:49.080 wondered about the hesitation. Simply because I'm, you know, I'm not I'm not a fan. And, you know,

00:01:55.740 I don't think that, you know, an endorsement like people think that me not wanting to endorse means

00:02:01.580 that I'm not voting, which I think is the strangest, strangest thing ever. There was another moment in

00:02:05.920 that conversation where I even said, hey, there's third party candidates. Whoopi told me she'll beat

00:02:10.100 my behind if I bring up third party candidates. So I just think it's kind of strange where we are

00:02:15.800 as a culture and as a society, where it's almost like there's either one of two extremes. And if

00:02:22.360 you're a person who just, you know, simply chooses to be objective, simply, you know, chooses to look

00:02:27.320 at, you know, both candidates and say, hey, I think there's some right things here. There's some wrong

00:02:32.200 things there. There's some good things here. There's some, you know, good things over here. Like

00:02:36.160 just me being able to explore both options are are all options that are out there. For some reason,

00:02:41.640 it, it, it bothers people. And I don't, I don't understand why they were really pressing you.

00:02:46.820 They were like, do, do Biden a solid. They wanted you to go to your audience and say, vote for Biden.

00:02:52.480 And it was very strange. Like, you know, you've got some magic wand that's going to turn this thing.

00:02:57.480 If you just say I endorse, can I ask you about third parties? Would you consider RFKJ?

00:03:04.100 Oh, I mean, I've looked at all of them. I've looked at RFK. I've looked at Marianne Williamson.

00:03:07.960 I've looked at, uh, Cornel West. Like I've looked at all of them. I've been looking at third parties

00:03:11.720 since, you know, 2000 and six, 16, like, you know, like 2016 people would say we didn't have

00:03:19.080 the best options. Right. But, uh, I felt like Hillary Clinton was, you know, overly qualified 0.99

00:03:23.360 to be president, but it's not like I didn't explore everything I explored after, after president

00:03:27.100 Obama, I explored everything. I explored conservatives. I explored, you know, the green party. I

00:03:32.380 explored Democrats. I feel like that's what you should do as an American citizen. You know,

00:03:36.860 I don't, I don't think the two party system, um, you know, has been, has been the best thing

00:03:40.920 for us here in America. And I don't think there's anything wrong with exploring, exploring everything.

00:03:45.240 I'm actually shocked that there hasn't been a third party candidate that's been able to come

00:03:49.320 along and like really galvanize people, especially being that America seems to be, you know, so

00:03:54.900 disappointed in the choices that we have now. Do you think that there's like more pressure on you

00:04:01.380 to quote endorse because you're black and there's a presumption that you have some influence with

00:04:07.740 black voters who not by huge margins, but by some margins are migrating from the Democrat to

00:04:13.780 the Republican party, or at least from Biden to Trump. I think, I think people, I don't know if

00:04:19.440 people are necessary. And I see the numbers, like I think I said, what, 22% of people, 22% of black

00:04:24.160 people may vote for Donald Trump. I think that number is overstated a little bit, but, uh, my guy,

00:04:28.440 Tim Ryan, you know, who used to be a congressman in Ohio, Tim Ryan always, well, Senator in Ohio,

00:04:33.840 I'm sorry, Tim Ryan used to always, he talks about the exhausted majority. And I think that's

00:04:39.500 what most people are in this country. We're the exhausted majority. So it's not even just about

00:04:44.120 being tired of, you know, Democrats or being tired of Republicans. People are just tired of politics,

00:04:49.680 period, you know? And I think that's what you're seeing a lot of now. Like even, you know,

00:04:55.380 having the conversation about, you know, who I'm choosing to vote for, listen, I've said it over

00:05:00.820 and over what I think about both candidates, right? And it's, it's only me. I don't know what's

00:05:07.820 going to happen between now and November. I don't think much is going to change, but if these people

00:05:12.100 want people to be, if these parties want people to be more energized about their candidates,

00:05:17.040 maybe they should just run better candidates.

00:05:18.440 You know, I don't think it's rocket science.

00:05:23.300 You, in the book, you write about your background. You grew up pretty poor, uh, in a single wide

00:05:30.900 trailer and spending most of your time running around through the woods and had very hardworking

00:05:35.880 mom had a more complicated relationship with your dad. Did you ever think that that kid,

00:05:39.580 right. It was learning how to catch a rattlesnake on his spare time would be in the position now where

00:05:45.620 it's like your magic words of, I endorse this candidate would be so important, right. To

00:05:53.560 political TV shows and pundits.

00:05:55.480 No, not, not on that aspect. I always knew that I was, you know, here to do something. I always

00:06:01.260 felt that in my spirit. I used to be in my grandmother's yard and Monks Corner, South Carolina

00:06:05.200 and the field, like there used to be a field in front of her yard. They used to separate my

00:06:09.960 grandmother's house and like, uh, my cousin Gloria's house. And it's back when I was smaller,

00:06:14.700 the field seems so big, but it's actually not that big, but I used to always be acting

00:06:18.640 like I was on a stage and I used to be acting like, you know, I was performing. Right. And

00:06:23.300 it was always like I was in, in a rock band. And then, you know, as, as I got older, it was

00:06:28.440 like, I was a rapper. So I always knew that I was, you know, supposed to be delivering some

00:06:33.820 kind of message. And this is might sound kind of crazy to some people, but I remember meeting

00:06:37.600 a medium back in 2006. And, um, you know, he, he said to me, he goes, you know, he was just

00:06:44.820 talking to me and he said, you know, you're going to achieve a lot of your goals relatively

00:06:47.860 easy, but I just want you to know that, you know, uh, when you get the way you're supposed

00:06:51.940 to go, you're here to deliver a message. And, uh, that same medium told me that he saw like

00:06:57.580 a microphone in my future. And he was talking about radio and he said he, he was naming different

00:07:03.420 radio personalities. And it was, it was not spooky at the time, but it was just like,

00:07:08.180 Hmm. He even told me I was going to have a daughter. And that was in 2006. I'd have my

00:07:12.420 first daughter till 2008. So long story short, I always knew I ended up having four long story

00:07:18.460 short. I always knew that I was here to, you know, be on a platform of some, some sort, but

00:07:24.480 I didn't know that it would be, I didn't know I would be Captain Saber Joe in an election.

00:07:28.460 You know, I think I read the book and I really enjoyed it. And I think what makes you special is

00:07:37.280 your extreme ability to be introspective, reflective about your life, to keep challenging

00:07:43.680 yourself, to keep change, keep changing, keep growing. And you're very, very honest about what

00:07:49.040 you perceive as your own shortcomings, whether it was early on in your marriage, something you

00:07:53.640 addressed, whether it was the life lessons you took from your dad and your uncle and your sort

00:07:58.440 of growing up, which you realized as an adult, weren't so great, or even right down to, we

00:08:03.200 don't have to get into it, but like the size of certain man parts that you just like Howard

00:08:07.520 Stern style, put it out there, Charlemagne. I have to say you're a brave man.

00:08:14.120 I don't know if you call it brave. I just, I think that we lack self-awareness, man. And I think

00:08:18.260 that one of the main reasons that, you know, a lot of people just aren't being honest with

00:08:23.120 themselves, which is why the book is called get honest or die lying is because it's so easy to be

00:08:27.640 real with other people, but it's so hard to be real with yourself. And, you know, they have all

00:08:32.480 of these cliche terms, like I keep it real, but usually the people who keep it real can only do

00:08:36.680 that with others. But man, when that mirror gets in front of them, it's very hard for them to have

00:08:41.840 those like super honest conversations with they self. And my whole life, that's what I've, you know,

00:08:47.300 challenged myself to be just honest. Cause you know, my dad used to always tell me something when I was

00:08:51.980 young, he was like, man, when you lie to me, you're not lying to me, you lying to yourself.

00:08:57.180 And that's something that just always stuck with me. And you can kind of tell the people

00:09:01.080 who are lying to their self in our society. And I, and I went on a, I went away on a spiritual retreat,

00:09:06.540 you know, earlier this year, me and my wife. And one of the things that came up for me

00:09:10.040 during that, that time away was stop lying to yourself and stop volunteering those lies

00:09:15.660 to other people. And that's, that's literally what, what, what I wrote this book for. I wrote this book

00:09:20.380 for people to stop lying to themselves and stop volunteering those lies to other people.

00:09:24.580 All right. I've got to read you this because my fourth grade boy, um, was at an end of year

00:09:30.060 ceremony just two days ago. And my husband and I went and their fourth grade teacher read to this

00:09:35.120 class of boys, the following poem, which speaks exactly to what you're saying. I cried. I'm not

00:09:39.360 going to lie. You're, you're a dad. You can be able to relate, but it's called that guy in the glass.

00:09:44.180 It's by Dale Wimbrough. And it goes as follows. When you get what you want in your struggle for self

00:09:49.120 and the world makes you King for a day, then go to the mirror and look at yourself and see what

00:09:53.780 that guy has to say. For it isn't your mother, brother, or friends whose judgment you must pass.

00:09:59.140 The person whose verdict counts most in your life is the one staring back at the glass.

00:10:05.680 You can go down the pathway of years, receiving pats on the back as you pass,

00:10:09.940 but your final reward will be heartache and tears. If you cheated that guy in the glass.

00:10:17.820 That's exactly what you're saying. That's a theme of your book in some ways.

00:10:21.440 Powerful words. Uh, whoever that was, who wrote that they remixed to Michael Jackson's man in the

00:10:25.540 mirror. I just want you to know I'm talking about the man in the mirror. Yeah. I'm asking him to change

00:10:35.060 his way. That's, that's, that's, that's all that is. But whoever wrote that is absolutely positively

00:10:38.960 true. The hardest thing for us to do is look in the mirror every day and be honest with ourselves.

00:10:43.680 And, um, I, I literally challenge myself every day. I wake up every day and before I'm, you know,

00:10:49.180 honest with anybody else, before I'm telling anybody else about, you know, what I think they may be

00:10:53.700 doing wrong, or if I give them compliments on what they're doing, right. I, I talk to myself first,

00:10:58.760 like, you know, that, that, that inner voice in your head, the things you tell yourself

00:11:02.760 are really the most important. And that's what I do every morning.

00:11:06.840 It's, um, it's something you've worked at. You've cultivated. I, you talk in the book about

00:11:12.500 the therapy you've been through all the way down to, I don't know if this, this didn't exactly come

00:11:17.040 from your therapist, but you have a spiritual guru in your life as well. And the tree hugging,

00:11:22.920 you're a tree hugger, but not exactly in the green new deal sense in a different kind of way.

00:11:29.200 Explain. Yeah. Um, it's a, it's a chapter called tree hug the block. And, you know, I just talk

00:11:34.400 about the benefits of, you know, doing things like forest bathing, you know, um, walking around in

00:11:39.220 your yard with, with your shoes off and your socks off and just doing grounding exercises, you know,

00:11:44.100 going up to trees, putting both hands on the trees, putting your forehead on the tree, taking

00:11:48.320 a few deep breaths, you know, saying a prayer, you know, sometimes, you know, just, just sitting

00:11:53.840 shirtless with your back to the tree, you know, uh, me and one of my spiritual advisors, her name

00:11:59.220 is Yadi Alba. We laugh because, you know, she always says, you know, lay down in the ground,

00:12:03.080 face, face down, ass up. Right. And just, just let the, let the earth just feel the earth. And man,

00:12:09.140 you'd be surprised how when you're stressed out or if, you know, you're, you know, battling like

00:12:13.680 about a depression or your anxiety levels are high, you'd be surprised how that just brings you

00:12:17.940 right back to center. And, you know, we used to laugh, you know, back at, back in the day at the

00:12:22.620 people who used to consider themselves, you know, tree huggers. He'd be like, oh man, they just high

00:12:27.160 everything. Everything is great when you're high and guess what, Megan, they right. You know, when

00:12:31.920 you're walking around doing some grounding in the backyard, even when you're not high, it really

00:12:37.460 does feel great. And it really does bring you back to center in a real way. I like the beach too.

00:12:42.360 I like walking, you know, barefoot on the beach, you know, I would hope I'm, I hope, I would hope the

00:12:46.960 only time you're walking on the beach is barefoot, but walking on the beach, barefoot, going in the

00:12:50.900 ocean, you know, you know, being in the ocean, looking right up at the sun, saying a prayer

00:12:54.780 directly from the water to the sun, man, all of that brings you back to center in such real ways.

00:12:59.960 I know you say in the book, if you, if you're feeling self-conscious about hugging a tree of

00:13:04.860 actually hugging a tree, putting your face up against the tree, start small, maybe just sit with

00:13:09.680 your back up against the tree. So people don't think you're crazy, but you could kind of graduate to a

00:13:13.960 full five minute hug of a tree. And it actually could be transformative. That's such a beautiful

00:13:18.480 way of dealing with anxiety, which you admit you have dealt with for years versus just taking a pill,

00:13:25.100 which is what the medical community will push on you these days.

00:13:28.020 Oh, absolutely. You know, I'm not, I'm not against, you know, anybody who needs medication,

00:13:32.500 you know, for certain things, but, you know, personally I've, I've, I've never had to use it.

00:13:37.220 I remember my father, even when I was young, when they were trying to put me on like

00:13:39.980 Ritalin as a child, you know, my father was like, no, he did, you know, back then though,

00:13:44.320 it wasn't, you know, he don't need Ritalin cause he don't need to just be on medication. It was,

00:13:48.580 he don't need no Ritalin. He needs that beat. Right. So, but even now it's like, I don't,

00:13:53.460 we don't, we don't necessarily, medicine shouldn't be the first option all the time. You know,

00:13:58.440 I feel like, you know, this is a glorious earth that we, that we're on. And like, there's a lot of

00:14:02.860 natural remedies and holistic remedies that we could be, you know, tapping into that bring us

00:14:07.860 those same results. A lot of those things in the pharmaceutical, pharmaceutical world too.

00:14:13.880 So how did you make it so big in radio and now podcasting too, with the kind of anxiety that

00:14:21.900 you suffer from? And as you were growing up, you talk about how it was very much social anxiety.

00:14:26.960 How, how did you get over that? How do you deal with that to this day?

00:14:30.660 That's the strangest thing about anxiety, right? Like anxiety creeps up on you at weird times. It's

00:14:36.900 those times when you're just literally laying on your couch at home. And then all of a sudden you

00:14:43.220 get up and you start checking to see if all the doors are locked. Right. Or, or, you know, um,

00:14:49.920 like, like you can be laying on the couch and there's a ceiling fan going and you just start

00:14:53.720 thinking to yourself, what if that ceiling fan, you know, flies off and like cuts my head off.

00:14:58.540 Like it's just the stupidest, strangest things. But when it comes to like getting in front of a

00:15:03.320 microphone and talking to millions of people, yes, there's a level of anxiety there, but for some

00:15:10.380 reason it doesn't give you, you know, those same panic attacks of just going through regular everyday

00:15:18.060 life. I have no idea why I'm able to get in front of a microphone and, you know, talk to millions of

00:15:24.800 people effortlessly, but I can't be in a party with 50 people without wanting to go home, you know,

00:15:32.520 because I'm already having a panic attack because I'm thinking about, you know, the worst possible

00:15:36.460 scenarios happening. I am too, but it's usually that guy over there is going to come over here and talk

00:15:42.000 to me. It's not about the ceiling fans. Oh God, I don't want to do that. That is actually another

00:15:47.200 reason I wrote this book. That's, that's, that's why I think small talk sucks because I don't think

00:15:51.920 they understand when you're a person who's already dealing with anxiety and you've had to say prayers

00:15:57.880 and do breathing exercises and, and, and, and put your beads on, right. And all your, all your other

00:16:03.640 things just to show up in the world. The last thing I want to do is have a meaningless conversation

00:16:10.340 with a stranger, like at least come into my life or come up to me and bring me a conversation of value

00:16:17.660 that may ease, you know, whatever it is I got going on. I tell a story in the book about,

00:16:23.620 I tell a story in the book, how I was at the airport and, you know, you know, I'm a person

00:16:28.160 who's been attacked in the street a couple of times, right? Like right here, right here in New York

00:16:31.500 city, you know, just for things that I've said on the radio, like, you know, back in the day though,

00:16:34.840 not, not anything recently, but like over a decade ago. And, but I'm still, you still have that PTSD

00:16:39.620 from things like that. So I'm at the airport and this guy comes up to me and he's trying to talk,

00:16:45.660 but he's like, not really saying anything. So automatically I'm on alert. And then he finally

00:16:52.200 goes, he's stuttering and he's telling me that he has a speech impediment. So he's asking me to bear

00:16:58.560 with him while he gets out what it is he's trying to get out. He cut the small talk, you know, and he

00:17:06.000 told me exactly what it was from the beginning. So that one little moment eases my anxiety and lets me

00:17:12.180 know, okay, this person isn't, isn't, isn't a foe. He's not, he's not any type of opposition in any

00:17:16.820 way, shape or form. He just has something he wants to say to me and it's hard for him to get out. And

00:17:21.200 if that, if that individual who has a speech impediment can let me know that we can do the

00:17:26.800 same thing. We should be able to tell people, Hey man, I don't want to talk about that right now.

00:17:31.720 And if we ever linked social anxiety to the hatred of small talk, I have to say, I too hate small talk

00:17:41.260 and have a fair amount of social anxiety, not anxiety in the regular lane, but social anxiety.

00:17:46.500 And I, I had never linked the two. This is actually an insightful thought that one is causing the

00:17:54.160 other because I like you am much more comfortable when the conversation is substantive.

00:17:58.060 Yes. And, and you think about it, right? It's a link because when somebody says, okay,

00:18:03.940 Megan Kelly, you have to be this place at seven o'clock at night, you're already dreading all the

00:18:09.880 things, you know, you have to do in order to get to this place. And if you got something to do the

00:18:15.460 next day, you're like, I'm going at seven. I'm going to be out by eight. I want to be back home

00:18:20.860 in my bed by nine o'clock. And I hope when I, when you get there, you're thinking about all the

00:18:25.940 conversations people want to have with you. You're thinking about, you know, what people are

00:18:30.360 going to try to get from you. Cause a lot of, a lot of it is, is people just trying to take from

00:18:35.680 your energy at these places. It's not a lot of pouring into you when you, when you go to these

00:18:42.340 events. So stuff like that, man, it's like, yes, it does cause a lot of, a lot of social anxiety.

00:18:48.140 And it's another reason why I keep telling people small talk sucks. I do not like it in any way,

00:18:53.060 shape or form. And it's not even just about the small chit chat either, Megan, it's about

00:18:56.120 how we make these micros macros nowadays. So most of the things these people are coming to talk to

00:19:01.340 you about, they're not big issues, but folks act like they're the biggest issues in the world.

00:19:06.340 And so when the actual big issues come across our desk, we don't even know how to talk about them.

00:19:10.260 You know, if we even choose to talk about them at all.

00:19:13.540 You sound right now to me, like Jocko Willink, the bad-ass Navy, Navy SEAL, who's like the godfather of

00:19:19.520 all Navy SEALs, who he came on the show and I was talking to him about all the stuff we argue about

00:19:23.960 all the day, every day, all the day. And he was like, just don't give it any energy whatsoever.

00:19:28.740 You know, you just, the way you solve these things that about, you just, you don't even talk about

00:19:32.600 them. You don't, I'm like, well, there goes my whole career. I mean, that's kind of what I'm in

00:19:36.180 the business of doing.

00:19:37.760 No, I don't think you talk about small talk. I think, I think that there's a lot of macro issues

00:19:41.660 that you discussed that we both discussed, you know, and it's not that you're not going to ever

00:19:46.120 have any small talk. I just want us to cut down on it. And I want us to get into, you know, just

00:19:51.800 talking about the big issues, talking about the macro issues, the things that actually matter,

00:19:57.240 the things that actually, you know, impact us as a society. And I think social media does a horrible

00:20:02.740 job, you know, at discussing the macros. I think social media is the place where micros go to become

00:20:09.640 macros. And it's these small issues that really don't even matter. And you know how you know they don't

00:20:14.660 matter because the conversation about them doesn't even last. It'll, it'll, it'll last 12 hours at

00:20:20.460 best. Give it 24, 24 hour news cycle is, is, is, is stretching it nowadays. If something lasts 24

00:20:27.720 hours, I'm shocked.

00:20:29.980 There's a lot of good advice in here for young people who, and you make fun of yourself. And I

00:20:35.580 could relate to this too, about how every generation is like this next generation sucks.

00:20:39.400 They're lazy back in my day, you know, barefoot to school, both ways, no, but you do raise the

00:20:45.380 point of like telling younger people today. And you have a lot of fans who are young in your

00:20:50.220 audience. You're not entitled to anything. You should bring a fair amount of humility to your

00:20:55.940 next job. It's hard work and elbow grease grease that are going to get you ahead and not a sitting

00:21:01.440 around thinking, why is life so unfair?

00:21:03.880 That's right. Yeah. The more things change, you know, the more they stay the same. So,

00:21:08.460 you know, as we live in a society where everything looks like it's easier than what it actually is

00:21:14.440 because of social media, like, you know, my guy, you know, pastor Steven Furtick, he's actually from

00:21:18.980 my hometown. I was going to South Carolina. He has this quote where he says, social media is literally

00:21:24.560 everybody high is everybody's highlight reel. So you're comparing your real life. You're comparing

00:21:29.020 the process that you're, you know, going through in life to somebody else's highlight reel.

00:21:33.660 And because of that highlight reel that people are constantly posting, we feel like we can just

00:21:38.840 skip steps. We feel like we can just, you know, skip the process. Like everything, you know,

00:21:44.040 takes time. Like there's no such thing as, you know, getting pregnant and then having the baby the

00:21:48.840 next day. You know, you get pregnant and you carry that baby for nine months for a reason. 0.99

00:21:53.480 There's different trimesters for a reason. It's a process. You know, there's a process of coals

00:21:59.040 going to diamonds, right? Like it's all a process. And this generation, you know, feels like they can

00:22:04.620 just skip the process only because of social media, because it's so easy to walk down the street

00:22:09.220 and see somebody else's phantom and take a picture in front of it. If that's your thing and then post

00:22:14.100 it and then everybody will be putting a hundred emojis in your comments. Like you're out here doing

00:22:18.960 the, you're out here winning. It's not even your car. So it's like, I just try to tell kids,

00:22:25.120 I try to tell the younger generation, you can't escape the process and you, and you got to have

00:22:29.440 patience. Patience is another lost art nowadays because of social media, because you have all

00:22:35.160 of these people lying about where they are in life. Right. And how they got there. And it's

00:22:41.340 definitely not what you do. You, you, you write in the book about how you had, um, a time in which

00:22:46.960 you were dealing, uh, doing drugs and I think dealing drugs. And that's sort of the birth of

00:22:52.480 your stage name. A lot of our audience was asking in the comments before you came on, what, where,

00:22:57.960 what is Charlemagne the God? And there actually is a very interesting explanation behind it. Can you

00:23:03.080 tell us? Yeah. I come from a very small town in Monks Corner, South Carolina. The population now is

00:23:07.940 probably like 10,000, 11,000 people. But when I was growing up, it was like six to 7,000. So like

00:23:13.340 everybody knew each other. And so when I did get into, you know, selling, selling crack, like I would

00:23:19.380 wear a hoodie and I would tell people my name was Charles because I knew that if I told them my name,

00:23:27.680 Lenard, right, they would be like, Oh, that's a Larry son. Or, Oh, that's, that's Julie's son. And it

00:23:33.340 was so funny, Megan, that the people who were buying crack would go tell my parents that I was

00:23:39.020 selling it. Okay. But they wouldn't tell my parents that they were buying it, you know, even though

00:23:43.600 people knew. So Charles was just like a moniker, uh, that I, that I started running with. And then I

00:23:48.560 was, um, in night school cause I got kicked out of two high schools. I got kicked out of Berkeley

00:23:52.840 high school and then I got kicked out of Scrapple high school. So I was in night school reading a

00:23:57.120 history book and I saw the Roman emperor Charlemagne and Charlemagne was French for Charles

00:24:03.180 the great. And, um, he went about spreading religion and education. And I literally just

00:24:08.820 said to myself, that is a cool name. I already called myself Charles. So I'm going to just start

00:24:13.540 calling myself, uh, Charlemagne. And, you know, back then I used to rap, so it was a cool rap name.

00:24:19.980 And I always said it would look good on, on a marquee or on the front of a book. And I think I was right.

00:24:25.480 And it does, it does. And where did the God come from? My husband, Doug has resolved to start using

00:24:30.040 that after many phrases, after having seen me reading your book. I study, uh, I studied the

00:24:35.980 5% teachings, you know, and in the 5% teachings, they teach that, uh, you know, God is a Greek word

00:24:41.220 derived from the Aramic words, which means wisdom, strength, and beauty. And the first letter of each

00:24:45.680 word was used by Greek students when they would identify their, uh, Egyptian teachers. And so it kind

00:24:51.700 of really doesn't make any sense because Charlemagne is Charles the great. And then it's the

00:24:55.280 God. So it's, it's, it's Charles the great, the God, but yo, man, I was 17 and smoking a lot of

00:25:01.960 back then. But you know what? It also makes sense to me because the book does spend some time on

00:25:05.820 positive messaging and how, uh, you talk about the astronaut theory and how, when we're raising

00:25:10.480 our kids, we can't, we don't want to overcorrect so much against everybody gets a trophy society

00:25:16.240 that we veer into cynicism with our kids. Like now you, I mean, let's be realistic. You're not

00:25:22.840 actually going to the NFL. Maybe you should channel your energies a different way. You're

00:25:26.400 very much against that. I think the positive uplifting name for yourself is totally in line

00:25:32.120 with now. I know how you parent your own daughters. Absolutely. And, and, you know, I got, I got four

00:25:37.240 daughters and when they asked me, when they tell me they want to do things, I don't shoot it down.

00:25:41.900 Cause I had older people in my life who did that to me. I tell a story in one of my, my first books,

00:25:47.580 cause this is my third book, but I tell a story in my first book, black privilege about how, um, I

00:25:52.260 had a, I had a, a cousin aunt. She was like my mom, my mom's cousin, but she was also like an aunt 1.00

00:25:57.900 to me as well. And I remember just talking about all of these big plans I had and all of these things

00:26:03.360 I wanted to do with my life. And I remember she said to me, don't set your goals so high, you know,

00:26:08.760 don't set your goals so high because if you don't reach them, you're going to be disappointed.

00:26:12.580 And I paused for a second and I said, that is the stupidest shit I ever heard in my life.

00:26:17.220 Like, why would you ever tell a child that? Like, I wasn't even a child. I was like,

00:26:21.760 I don't know, 19, 20, but I was like, why would you ever tell anybody that? So my thing with my

00:26:25.860 kids, when they want to do something, yo, let's try it out. Like I got one of my, one of my daughters

00:26:31.140 recently started soccer and you know, she, she liked it at first, past couple of practices.

00:26:37.420 She don't want to go. Why? She said, it's too hot out. I don't want to be out there in that heat.

00:26:43.000 I'm not going to force her to go out there and do the soccer if she doesn't want to. If she, 1.00

00:26:47.300 cause if you genuinely love something, you're going to want to do it regardless. Right. That's

00:26:51.620 how I was with radio. It didn't matter that I wasn't making any money. I've been doing radio 26

00:26:55.680 years. I didn't start making money really, really in radio till probably my, I don't know,

00:27:01.040 10th, 12th year in radio. So it took a long time. You know, I started doing radio in 1998. I didn't

00:27:06.780 start really making money till probably 2010. Right. So, but I loved it. So that thing that you

00:27:13.340 love to do that is probably going to change your life is that thing that you're going to do for

00:27:18.300 free. So if she's, if she doesn't want to go do soccer, I'm not, I'm not going to press it and do

00:27:23.380 it. Yeah. There's no, I'll give it, I'll give it an opportunity to that at this point in your life.

00:27:28.900 So I want to ask you this because you're very positive in your messaging. You're real,

00:27:32.800 but you're positive in your messaging. And then there was a chapter I wanted to ask you about,

00:27:37.240 which was 16. This wasn't you. It was Aaron McGruder, who was the man behind the boondocks

00:27:43.140 comic strip. And it was the only chapter I was like, wow, well, this is not positive. This is,

00:27:49.000 this is some stark stuff and it's about deprivation. Yeah. It's about race in America.

00:27:55.520 And it's about, you know, us allegedly being a white supremacist country and Republicans don't

00:28:03.320 do shit for poor white people, but they still vote Republican and they do it because if they were to 0.71

00:28:09.460 vote Democrat, the N word would benefit. It's got a lot of incendiary thoughts on how evil Republicans

00:28:15.060 are because they really just exist to keep the black man down. And I, it's not you, but you have 1.00

00:28:21.040 put it in your book by this guy, Aaron McGruder. So what are your feelings on that?

00:28:26.500 I think Aaron is expressing an emotion and feelings and saying things that a lot of people feel,

00:28:33.980 you know, a lot of people in the black community, absolutely positively feel like that, but it's not 0.99

00:28:37.640 even, you know, just Republicans. I just feel like, you know, government in general, I think that

00:28:42.340 there's been a lot of systemic things that have been done, you know, to, to, to black people in

00:28:46.820 this country to put, you know, black people in certain positions in this country. And there 0.59

00:28:50.960 hasn't been enough systemic things done, you know, to get us out. You know, I think one of the,

00:28:55.140 you know, main critiques of the democratic party is the, you know, they are supposed to be the party

00:28:59.960 that, that represents us and, and, and, and supports us. And, you know, people don't feel like

00:29:05.300 they have fought hard enough for black people. That's why every, you know, presidential election

00:29:10.540 cycle, we're back having these same, you know, conversations about, you know, Democrats going

00:29:16.520 out there and earning the black vote. Like if Democrats had done, you know, historically what 0.54

00:29:22.260 they say they are going to do for black people, you know, they wouldn't be in this position every

00:29:28.600 four years where they're, they're, they're out here trying to push me to endorse.

00:29:31.980 What do you think that is? Like, what do you think that is? Because I know there's a divide

00:29:34.760 between the parties and some factions of the country that, you know, the Democrats, and we keep

00:29:39.140 hearing them saying things that we heard Biden at the Morehouse college the other day saying

00:29:43.440 with a very dark message about this country, that the country doesn't love you back as a young black

00:29:48.280 graduate and talking in very negative terms about what their futures look like. And you contrast that

00:29:54.320 just to what Barack Obama said in front of the same audience, you know, eight years ago,

00:29:57.980 it was very uplifting and also empowering. Like you can do it. You can make a difference in this

00:30:04.400 great country. You have nothing but blue sky ahead of you. Very different, stark messages.

00:30:10.100 What's in chapter 16 sounds more like Biden. So how do you see it? More like Biden? More like Obama?

00:30:16.340 Well, I think I would like to see it more like President Obama. And the reason I would like to

00:30:22.120 see it more like President Obama, because as he said, these are his words, the audacity of hope.

00:30:27.200 Like you have to be optimistic. Like I'm optimistic because I was raised on a dirt road and, you know,

00:30:32.460 Monk's Corner, South Carolina. My mother was an English teacher. The most she ever made,

00:30:35.660 you know, was $30,000 a year at one point. You know, my father was a great guy, you know,

00:30:41.380 who had a lot of flaws. Right. And he was a construction worker, but he also had his own

00:30:46.100 mental health issues and his, you know, he dealt with substance abuse. And I'm not supposed to come,

00:30:51.120 you know, out of out of that circumstance. But because, you know, I was able to come out of that

00:30:56.780 circumstance. And just because of, you know, other conversations I've seen from people who come

00:31:00.920 from environments like mine, I have to have the audacity of hope. I have to have, you know,

00:31:06.580 optimism, but I also have to deal with reality too. And it's also, it's just interesting that,

00:31:11.280 you know, President Biden would go to Morehouse and, you know, make those statements when a lot

00:31:17.140 of those issues, those problems he's contributed to, you know, whether it was, you know, the 86

00:31:23.200 mandatory minimum sentencing, you know, whether it was the 88 crack law, the 94 crime bill,

00:31:28.280 there's a lot of things that he, you know, contributed to in regards to keeping, you

00:31:33.460 know, the black man down. Right. So, so it's just, it's just interesting that he would go to Morehouse

00:31:39.860 and, and, and talk like that. You're the president of the United States of America. You are the person

00:31:44.360 that, you know, we are looking to, you know, at least if not change some of those things,

00:31:50.680 speak to changing some of those things because you contributed to so much of that.

00:31:54.900 Hmm. What do you think? I mean, Tim Scott, he's from South Carolina, uh, still reportedly on the

00:32:00.740 shortlist toward becoming Trump's VP. He says, firmly believes America is not a racist country,

00:32:06.800 a belief I share. Do you?

00:32:10.460 No, I highly disagree with that. I mean, of course there's systemic racism in this country. I don't

00:32:15.280 believe every single white person in America is racist, but there is, there has been systemic

00:32:21.540 racism. Like, like it, yes, a hundred percent. Sure has been. You can look at everything from,

00:32:27.160 you know, slavery to, you know, Jim Crow laws, to redlining, to, you know, the war on drugs. Like,

00:32:34.500 yes, like the act, the act like there is not systemic racism in this country is silly and foolish.

00:32:40.920 Still today, 2024. I mean, it's like to think that Democrats who run the education system and

00:32:45.400 largely the criminal justice system and so many, so much of government today who pride themselves

00:32:50.380 on being DEI and, you know, anti-racist and all that, that, that they're running these massive

00:32:55.660 racist organizations would seem a stretch to even some of them. Well, you have to have these DEI

00:33:02.160 programs because of systemic racism. So, so things like that tell you that these, uh, systemic racism

00:33:07.660 still exists because you still have to have, you know, programs like that to ensure that there's

00:33:12.500 diversity, to ensure that there's equity, to ensure that there's inclusion. So yes, systemic racism

00:33:17.840 absolutely still exists in, in, in America. It's not something, it's, it's something that we can

00:33:22.560 dismantle, but we have to want to dismantle it. And, and the only way we're going to dismantle it

00:33:27.320 is if we first acknowledge that, that it exists. Like I, as I say, you know, in the book, and it's a

00:33:32.940 great quote, you just can't heal what you don't reveal. I don't think any of us do any, do, do

00:33:37.660 ourselves any favors by acting like these things don't exist.

00:33:41.760 Mm-hmm. You don't, I mean, the, I think the difference between where you are and where I am

00:33:47.020 is I acknowledge everything you said about this country and its history. You know, we had a couple

00:33:52.040 rough 200 years from the foundation with slavery and then through the Jim Crow laws. But then we got

00:33:59.460 to a place where we passed the 1964 civil rights act and we had a way, a revolution in the country to

00:34:06.380 start looking at this differently. And when I grew up in, you know, the eighties and the nineties,

00:34:10.540 race relations had vastly improved. We were hanging out with one another, not thinking

00:34:16.040 about skin color all the time. We actually instituted affirmative action programs, which

00:34:19.580 were upheld under law, even though they're not totally consistent with our constitution,

00:34:22.640 but we did all of that because we understood the history. And now we're in this place where

00:34:28.680 it seems to be flipping to what Kendi says, which is anti-white racism. That's fine. That's how we're 1.00

00:34:35.240 going to remedy the remnants that are still left over the past. And I think that's causing more racial

00:34:40.100 division. Am I wrong?

00:34:42.660 Um, I think social media makes us think that, you know, uh, certain things, I think social media

00:34:51.220 amplifies certain things on purpose. And we have to be very careful about that because we don't even

00:34:55.920 know if a lot of these conversations are real on social media. Like, you know, I, I still believe

00:35:01.780 that Quintel Pro is alive and well. And I think that a lot of times these conversations that happen on

00:35:06.920 social media really just happen to keep us all having a whole lot of small talk, having a whole

00:35:13.020 lot of small talk about, you know, foolishness and nonsense, like the, like anti-white racism.

00:35:20.800 Like what, what is that? You would have to tell me what that is. Like what is, what is anti-white

00:35:25.180 Kendi's pushing? What Kendi says is the answer to past discrimination is future discrimination and

00:35:29.820 present discrimination against those who perpetrated it. Notwithstanding the fact that

00:35:33.820 we had nothing to do with what happened in the 1860s. We weren't around. It wasn't us. It wasn't

00:35:39.820 most of our ancestors. And most of us have a completely open-minded attitude toward our black

00:35:45.480 and brown friends and would never do anything to hurt them or see them as less than. And we don't want us

00:35:51.180 our children being punished because of sins of the father, grandfather, great, great, whoever.

00:35:56.380 Got you. Yeah. I can't, I can't speak for all black people because all black people aren't 1.00

00:35:59.900 monolithic, but you know, all the black people that I know, they just want equality. You know,

00:36:04.260 they want to be, they, they, they want to be treated, you know, fairly. They don't want to,

00:36:08.760 you know, walk outside and have, you know, a police officer harass them just because of the color,

00:36:14.020 the color of their skin. You know, they don't want to be, you know, denied a job or,

00:36:18.260 you know, a place to stay, you know, just because of the color of their skin. We don't want to 1.00

00:36:23.300 be black supremacists. We don't want to, we don't want to, you know, be what, you know,

00:36:29.140 white supremacists were to black people. Like that's not, at least the black people I know,

00:36:33.500 that's not what, what, what, what we're after in any way, shape or form.

00:36:38.720 Well, I think the messaging of the book on empowerment and possibilities and getting honest,

00:36:46.000 as, as it's called getting honest or dying, lying, um, makes a ton of sense. And I hope we

00:36:51.980 can continue this conversation. I know you got to run, but I have so much more. I want to talk to

00:36:55.760 you about it. So please come back. Would you? I mean, I got like 10 more minutes if you want to

00:37:00.100 talk. Oh, you do? Oh, great. Oh, okay. Sorry. No, let's, let's keep it rolling then. All right.

00:37:05.220 So let's, can we, can we spend a minute on politics? Cause I am interested in your thoughts on it.

00:37:09.800 Cause I know you're not a fan of Trump. And I think that you think he's racist, but you tell

00:37:17.600 me, because I look at Biden's history of comments and I'm like, Oh my Lord, including to you,

00:37:21.940 that thing about if you're not going to vote for me, you ain't black. That's listed on the,

00:37:25.260 on the tally of the racist or racially insensitive things he said.

00:37:30.060 You know, what's, what's the more interesting conversation for me? And this is, I'm glad you

00:37:35.100 brought that up in regard to Trump. Why does nobody ever talk about him being unpatriotic?

00:37:42.400 Like not, like not being patriotic. And what I mean by that is if he says he wants to suspend

00:37:47.040 the constitution to overthrow the results of an election, or, you know, his lawyers were in court

00:37:52.120 and his lawyers were like, well, he never agreed to support the constitution. Or we saw him, you know,

00:37:57.320 attempt to lead a lead and attempted coup of this country. Like there's, that's just unconstitutional.

00:38:04.860 Like, why does nobody ever say he's not a patriot? Like, why does that discussion

00:38:09.980 ever, never come up? Because when I think about it, when I think about how mad, you know, uh, you

00:38:15.000 know, uh, conservatives seem to get sometimes when they see people, you know, taking a knee,

00:38:20.180 right. At, at, at, at football games. And they call that, you know, not being patriotic. How come

00:38:25.880 nobody ever says, you know, wanting to suspend, you know, the constitution to overthrow the results of

00:38:30.880 an election. How come nobody ever says that's not patriotic?

00:38:33.280 Yeah. Well, I mean, there's no question. I don't know what specific year you're referring to,

00:38:38.080 but I've seen Trump truth social posts that speak to exactly what you are saying. I don't know about

00:38:44.040 in court, but he's suggested things like that. Um, I think I'm not going to defend that. I think,

00:38:50.740 I think, but, but here's the thing. So, and I don't defend Trump's behavior after January 6th

00:38:56.020 at all. I don't think he behaved well in any way, shape or form, but I just think that there are

00:39:01.220 bigger issues. And I think if you're going to talk about actions that are extra constitutional,

00:39:06.480 there are sins, I mean, grave sins on both sides, but especially on Biden's side, you know, this,

00:39:12.320 the end around he did on the Supreme court on some of the COVID stuff on the, uh, rent abatement,

00:39:18.100 uh, possibilities on now the student loans that he's not allowed to be doing, but he's trying to

00:39:22.700 find a way to do it anyway. I'm trying to get Trump off the ballot so that voters can't vote for him

00:39:28.760 on using the justice system for the first time in almost 250 years to go after a political

00:39:34.440 opponent, all those things. They don't make me say yay for all the stuff Trump did post January 6th,

00:39:41.640 but they, even the playing field for me more where I'm like, I'm just going to vote on who I think is

00:39:47.160 going to get the country in the best shape. I think that's what most people are, but you know,

00:39:52.480 even, even what you said just now, it's kind of like the Spider-Man meme, right? Because

00:39:56.060 you know, you can say those things about president Biden, but then you point to Donald Trump in the,

00:40:00.880 in January 6th, you can also point to Donald Trump trying to find 11,000 more votes, you know,

00:40:07.840 in Georgia. And, you know, we always know voter suppression is a thing. So it's just like,

00:40:13.220 listen, man, I just don't believe in politicians period. And, and, and as I said earlier, anybody,

00:40:18.460 anybody that, anybody that wants me to, you know, endorse a politician at this point,

00:40:24.500 then y'all have to put out some better candidates and put out some people that I believe in,

00:40:29.560 because I don't believe in any of them. But to your point, I'm not sitting out the election

00:40:34.780 in November, which is something that I would also like to just put on record. I've never told anybody

00:40:40.600 not to vote. Now I've had conversations with people and I've said, I've, I understand why people

00:40:46.040 don't want to, but I think that you should still get out there and vote for, you know,

00:40:51.640 who you think can, can, can, can keep this country on course. You know, like for me right now, I'm,

00:40:57.280 I'm, I feel like I'm voting to preserve, you know, democracy because, you know, I, I've read

00:41:03.140 Project 25. I don't know how you feel about it, but, you know, Project 25, it's, it's very terrifying

00:41:09.240 to me. And, you know, like I said, we've seen what Donald Trump has attempted to do, to do on,

00:41:14.100 on, on January 6th. And, you know, hearing rhetoric, like I want to suspend the constitution,

00:41:19.180 to overthrow the results of an election. That's, that's scary. That's not the kind of,

00:41:24.040 uh, America I want to live in. Well, what do you think about Joe Biden bragging that he's doing

00:41:29.940 ends around the Supreme court, which is what he just said this week on this so-called student loan

00:41:35.500 forgiveness, which essentially means the truckers listening to us right now are going to have to

00:41:39.300 pay off the student loans of the rich college elites, something he was told by the Supreme court.

00:41:44.320 He didn't have the power to do. He's not a King. And he's out there bragging that he's doing

00:41:48.160 ends around them. Notwithstanding rulings, he's forced to follow like that stuff too,

00:41:53.080 is extra constitutional. His refusal to enforce the border law, extra constitutional. I mean,

00:42:00.080 he could have been impeached for just what's happening along the Southern border alone,

00:42:02.980 not to mention him having classified documents and all the other laws that he

00:42:06.840 has allegedly broken. I look at him and I think he's got no moral high ground.

00:42:12.240 I don't think either one of you cannot talk about anybody standing on a moral high ground when

00:42:19.340 Donald Trump is on the other side. I don't think either one of them, uh, can, can talk about,

00:42:25.220 you know, standing on moral high ground, but you know, when it comes to doing things like the student

00:42:29.460 loan debt, this might sound crazy, but I know this is why people like certain, um, elected officials.

00:42:36.000 I, I, I feel like this is why some people like Trump. I think people have no problem with you

00:42:42.600 bending the rules or breaking the rules. If there's a tangible benefit to it. I think that,

00:42:50.540 you know, a lot of people like Trump and they support Trump because they know Trump is willing

00:42:55.140 to go hard for, for, for who he considers his base. Now, you know, like Aaron said in Deaf of a Nation,

00:43:02.040 in my book, you know, um, you know, he, he, he, he's convinced these poor, you know, white voters

00:43:07.240 that he is for them, but their conditions aren't getting any better either, you know? And I think

00:43:13.500 the economy was much better under Trump and the, and the voter poll after poll after poll reflects

00:43:18.480 that. Sure. But it does, it never trickles down to the poor. And, and I don't even understand why we

00:43:23.280 keep acting like it does. Like, you know, it's like, you'll see people say the economy is great.

00:43:28.220 You know, stocks are up. The people I'm talking about don't have no stocks.

00:43:32.040 The people I'm talking about that live in those rural areas and, and, and most corner South

00:43:36.720 Carolina, like where I'm from, they don't know nothing about no damn stock market. They can't

00:43:40.420 see past their bills. All they're trying to do is keep some food on their table and a roof over

00:43:44.340 their head. My first, uh, and, and we, under, under, under Biden, inflation has risen to plus 17%

00:43:53.140 and then some, it's still hovering. What? And these people are paying almost 30% more on certain

00:43:58.680 things like foods and not to mention gas prices. That's all under Joe Biden because of his spend

00:44:03.360 thrift ways because he's just dumping the people's money on all sorts of legislation,

00:44:07.520 the so-called inflation reduction act and the, the COVID relief that didn't have to go through

00:44:12.400 when he first took over. All those things have consequences. Trump, Trump, I'm not, I'm, he kept

00:44:17.460 costs low. Listen, the, the poor was still poor under Trump and Trump had, Trump did convince a whole

00:44:25.300 bunch of poor white people to go out there and vote for him, but their conditions have not changed.

00:44:30.360 I guarantee you, if you were the, I think they've changed for the worse. I'm not saying Trump solved

00:44:34.640 it, but they've changed for the worse under Joe Biden. And the thing is like, they think they worry

00:44:39.480 about immigration, right? Immigrants coming in with cheap labor, taking the jobs that were available 1.00

00:44:44.240 to them. That's all happening under Joe Biden in record numbers. Now it like they, the, the kitchen

00:44:51.000 table issues that people vote on have gotten worse under Biden. We're better under Trump. There was

00:44:56.480 a black focus group in what state was it? Steve was South Carolina. No, was it, it was Georgia

00:45:01.960 that happened just the other day. The MSNBC went down and conducted and they asked these black voters,

00:45:06.460 and we're talking about all voters, not just black, but why would you vote for Trump? Like,

00:45:11.640 what are you thinking? Cause they said they're going to, here's what they said. We actually queued it up.

00:45:15.360 Do each of you support Donald Trump? I do. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. For all three of you. Has this trial

00:45:22.360 changed your opinion, even caused you to waiver or question that at all? No, it's actually caused me

00:45:29.600 to support him more. I just don't believe that's a coincidence that we have a trial happening in

00:45:37.120 Atlanta. We have one happening in New York. So the question people are beginning to ask themselves,

00:45:43.680 like, why now? I've talked to many people who formally identified as a Democrat. They have

00:45:49.280 changed their political persuasion to independent and they are looking forward to voting for Trump

00:45:53.800 because now they find something in common with a political candidate at that level. When you say

00:45:59.780 they find commonality, what is that commonality? They have felt persecuted by the system of American

00:46:05.940 injustice. And it's not a stretch for them to think that Trump may be a victim as well.

00:46:13.680 And there was more on it, Charlemagne, where they said they think he'd be a stronger leader

00:46:17.560 in dealing with some of our adversaries.

00:46:22.220 Yeah, I can see where they would feel that way about the stronger leader part. I hate that whole

00:46:26.660 conversation about Black people are gravitating towards Trump because we've been persecuted by

00:46:33.660 the system and he's being persecuted by that same system. No, Donald Trump is a person who has

00:46:38.560 reaped the benefits of that system. He's a white, male, rich, privileged man. That is the reason that,

00:46:45.060 you know, these trials have even taken so long to happen because they were even dragging their feet.

00:46:49.880 America has no system in place to even prosecute a person like Donald Trump. They never thought that

00:46:57.220 they would have to do that. A former president of the United States of America? Like, no. So I disagree

00:47:04.480 with all of that. I disagree with all of that wholeheartedly. Now, I do feel if you asked me

00:47:11.140 why people, you know, the Black people, some Black people I know have graduated, gravitated towards

00:47:15.820 Trump. You know, a lot of them talk about money, right? Like they talk about the stimulus checks

00:47:20.760 and they talk about, you know, the PPP loans. Right. And what I would tell them is, yeah, you got some

00:47:27.040 extra money in your pocket, but at what cost? At what cost? Because think about the circumstances

00:47:32.660 that happened in order for you to get that money in your pocket. Millions of people had to die

00:47:38.500 because of COVID, because of, you know, Donald Trump's poor planning in regard to the COVID,

00:47:43.340 of him getting rid of, you know, pandemic teams. It's a stretch to blame COVID on him. I mean,

00:47:47.120 I think we have the Chinese to thank for that one. But he did get rid of the pandemic teams that 1.00

00:47:51.320 were in place to kind of, you know, at least, at least slow down, you know, things slow down.

00:47:56.720 Oh, come on. And wouldn't we have Anthony Fauci? I think that's a fair thing to blame on Trump

00:48:01.260 because he should have turped that guy out long before. I'm just saying, I feel, I think Trump

00:48:06.140 could have handled COVID better. And I don't want to see, I do, I want more, I do, I want more

00:48:11.920 Americans to get more money in their pocket, but, you know, not at the expense of millions of people

00:48:16.840 dying because of, let's just say, poor planning from the government. And you have to

00:48:20.980 say the administration that was in place at that time, because it was the Trump administration

00:48:25.460 in place during that time. All right. Well, we'll put a pin in that one. And

00:48:29.000 going back over COVID is just a bummer in general, but there is a lot more to discuss. You've got a

00:48:34.400 busy day ahead promoting the book, and I wish you all the best on it. To be continued, I hope. Yes?

00:48:39.340 Yes. That's why I like, but that's why I like these conversations. That was not small talk.

00:48:43.060 We did not have small talk the last 10 minutes. And we disagreed and didn't disrespect each other in no

00:48:49.280 way, shape or form. We had conversation. It wasn't confrontation. Can't America learn something from

00:48:54.300 this, Megan? Yes. Right on. All right. Don't forget, buy the book today. It's called Get Honest

00:49:01.440 or Die Lying by Charlemagne Tha God. It's fascinating, as you can tell, is he.

00:49:10.800 All across the country, parents are fighting against the sexualization of their children

00:49:16.340 in the schoolhouse. It's absurd. It keeps happening over and over and over. Many school districts allow

00:49:24.780 sexually explicit, and I do mean explicit, pornographic books disguised as children's books

00:49:32.280 in school libraries. Our next guest has played a unique and special and important role in trying

00:49:38.700 to get these books removed from the school libraries. You want to feed your kid this stuff

00:49:44.340 off of Amazon and your own time? That's up to you. To me, it looks like child abuse,

00:49:49.200 but we don't want it in our school libraries, something my next guest knows personally and

00:49:55.860 has been working to stop. He's also worked to promote Christianity in the process. His speeches 0.97

00:50:01.400 at school board meetings have gone viral. That's how we first got to know him. We saw some of these,

00:50:06.000 and we've played some here on this show. He may be familiar to you. John Amunshuku is a preacher

00:50:13.180 and activist, and he's also the author of the new book, Hoodwinked, 10 Lies Americans Believe

00:50:19.680 and the Truth That Will Set Them Free, which is out next week. John, welcome to the show.

00:50:26.680 Thank you so much for having me on, Megan. I feel like I have arrived. I feel like I'm at a Michael

00:50:33.500 Jackson concert. I'm shaking and trembling. I'm about to fall out of my chair. Someone please come

00:50:39.140 catch me. Thank you so much. The pleasure is all mine. I feel like I'm meeting one of my heroes.

00:50:45.880 We've been watching you from afar, celebrating your moments, your viral moments. No one does it quite

00:50:52.800 like you do it, and you have left school board after school board flabbergasted and not knowing

00:50:59.760 what to do. It's brilliant. So just give us a little bit on your background and how you got to be

00:51:07.140 this fierce warrior against the nonsense we're seeing in the social lane right now in America.

00:51:12.640 Well, at the age of 19, I joined the Upper Room Church of God in Christ and met, who is now my

00:51:19.100 father-in-law and pastor and bishop, Bishop Patrick Lane Wooden Sr. And back in the early 2000s,

00:51:26.220 before these things became a pandemic as it relates to the pornographic materials that are in our schools,

00:51:31.820 he was going out to school board meetings then, early 2000, talking about it. And so I went to

00:51:38.900 the right church and we're taught to have a biblical worldview and to see the world through the lenses

00:51:45.780 of scripture. We're called to engage the culture. And when there are cultural issues that are taking

00:51:52.780 place, the church is called to speak to it, not to hide in the tuck tail and run from it.

00:51:58.780 And so I've been a part of this ministry for the past 20 years. And about two years ago, I heard

00:52:05.420 word that there was a young lady at a school in Chatham County who was being demonized because of

00:52:11.640 her Christian faith. And so after hearing about that, I drove 45 minutes to a school board meeting,

00:52:17.300 spoke and gave an address there, not knowing that that message would go viral. And they'll land me as

00:52:22.900 the number one voice speaking out at school board meetings nationally.

00:52:27.200 Yes. I mean, honestly, if I see anything in our schools, I don't think I will because we

00:52:30.960 chose non-woke schools. I'm calling you first. You could deliver the message like no one can. 0.99

00:52:37.000 Let's give the audience just a little flavor. Let's play the montage of John reading from some of

00:52:41.000 these pornographic books in front of these school boards so people can get a flavor.

00:52:44.560 13 Reasons Why by Jay Asher, currently in Storm Grove Middle School and Freshman Learning Center.

00:52:53.300 Page 265. As if letting him finger me was going to cure all my problems.

00:53:01.420 Sir, I'll stop you there.

00:53:01.940 But in the end, I never told you to get away.

00:53:05.320 Please, sir, stop it.

00:53:06.300 And roll back and forth from hip to hip.

00:53:09.380 Sir, he needs to be removed.

00:53:10.520 Take me out, a black pastor, for reading these books. 0.99

00:53:13.780 Page 127.

00:53:15.720 My clits swell up.

00:53:17.740 Thanks, Daddy.

00:53:19.060 Daddy sick me, disgusts me.

00:53:21.800 But still, he sex me up.

00:53:24.420 Page 53.

00:53:25.740 My pee-pee open, hot, stinky down my thighs.

00:53:28.800 Splatter, splatter.

00:53:29.900 I'm seven.

00:53:31.640 Seven, she said.

00:53:33.200 Look, you don't even bleed.

00:53:35.700 Virgin girls bleed. 1.00

00:53:37.440 This needs to be removed tonight.

00:53:39.320 We have six men on this board.

00:53:44.340 And I want to say to these men that's on this board, if you don't remove this book, you're

00:53:49.460 either a punk or a pervert. 0.68

00:53:51.400 If you leave it in here, you're a punk or a pervert.

00:53:56.740 And the police are removing you from the microphone by that point.

00:54:02.160 It's incredible that they've been sicking the police on you.

00:54:05.320 To get you so offensive are the words you're reading from the books in our children's school

00:54:11.440 libraries.

00:54:13.380 It's so true. 0.84

00:54:14.840 I've now spoken in 14 states, amassed nearly 300 million views.

00:54:19.180 I've been able to flip two school boards, one to Pennsylvania, one in New Jersey.

00:54:23.500 We were also able to strike down a transgender policy, policy 5756 in New Jersey.

00:54:29.960 We've been able to remove dozens of pornographic books all around the country.

00:54:35.040 But what I'm seeing is that the cops are being weaponized against me.

00:54:39.440 I went to Idaho to speak at a school board meeting there.

00:54:42.800 And I sat in the school board meeting for nearly two hours.

00:54:46.140 And then I was called out by a sergeant.

00:54:48.460 He takes me outside and he tells me that I have been notified that you were coming.

00:54:52.580 And keep in mind, I live in Wake Forest, North Carolina.

00:54:55.900 That's thousands of miles away.

00:54:57.820 But he was informed that I was coming and that he was instructed to remove me from the podium

00:55:03.220 if I were to get off of topic.

00:55:05.840 Keep in mind, he told me this before I spoke.

00:55:10.680 And what that was, was an attempt to scare me, to see if I was going to be shaky and flaky

00:55:18.720 and spineless like many of our preachers today who won't say anything about these issues because

00:55:24.580 they are cowards.

00:55:25.620 You know, the Bible says in Revelation 21, 8, it gives us eight reasons why people will

00:55:30.600 be thrown into the lake of fire.

00:55:32.480 And number one is for being a coward.

00:55:35.520 People are afraid to speak up because they don't want to be canceled.

00:55:39.300 They don't want to be deplatformed.

00:55:41.540 They don't want to be labeled.

00:55:44.040 They want to soft-pedal conversations, even when bringing on people like Charlemagne the

00:55:49.360 God, who was afraid to talk about the true history of the Democrat Party because he doesn't

00:55:54.900 want to lose his black support.

00:55:57.480 Instead, he cowers and talks about how favorable Joe Biden is.

00:56:02.680 But at that school board meeting...

00:56:05.420 No.

00:56:07.960 Yes.

00:56:09.440 No, no.

00:56:10.500 I mean, I believe in his sincerity.

00:56:12.880 I don't think he's pandering.

00:56:13.900 He says a lot of things that his audience may not like.

00:56:16.820 He's pretty courageous.

00:56:17.720 But I think he maybe hasn't seen films like, you know, we talked about the other day, What

00:56:23.100 Killed Michael Brown.

00:56:23.880 He maybe hasn't read a lot of Shelby Steele or, you know, some of our leaders who have

00:56:29.700 been so bold on some of these issues, right?

00:56:31.500 Like, they're not promoted in schools.

00:56:34.380 And so they, I think a lot of people only have one view of race in America, and they

00:56:40.020 blame Republicans and sometimes whites for all the ills of society, as opposed to zeroing

00:56:47.260 in on present day.

00:56:48.380 It's the Democrats.

00:56:49.840 Ask Thomas Sowell.

00:56:51.800 Exactly.

00:56:52.740 Charlemagne de God, once again, was very soft on that issue.

00:56:58.620 He didn't speak the truth.

00:57:00.580 He's very intelligent.

00:57:02.300 The guy is brilliant.

00:57:03.080 A broken clock is right twice a day.

00:57:06.160 That's true.

00:57:07.020 But he knows the history of the Democrat Party.

00:57:10.160 He knows that the Jim Crow laws that we had in this country were drafted by Democrats.

00:57:14.880 He knows that it was the Democrats who wanted to keep slavery going.

00:57:19.820 He knows that a lot of the redlining and a lot of the Jim Crow ideologies and principles 0.95

00:57:26.240 that were held onto for so long, they were supported by the Democrat Party.

00:57:30.880 He knows that the economy under President Trump versus Joe Biden, it was much better under

00:57:38.560 President Trump.

00:57:39.800 Inflation is nearly at an all-time high today.

00:57:42.840 He knows it's the Democrat Party that does not want Black students to have school choice

00:57:48.280 so that we can remain subservient to the Democrat Party.

00:57:53.020 He knows that.

00:57:54.420 But because of racialized social constraint, he would much rather not tick off his community

00:58:01.600 to keep favor with his community.

00:58:04.160 I can care less about having favor with my community.

00:58:07.900 I just want to be faithful to God.

00:58:10.560 There's a difference between being a nice Christian, a nice Christian, and a faithful Christian.

00:58:17.280 Nice Christians or people of faith, you know, he says that he's the God and man can't be God.

00:58:22.980 I think he's Muslim.

00:58:24.140 I'm pretty sure he's Muslim.

00:58:26.160 Yeah, 5%.

00:58:27.320 That's just what he said.

00:58:29.260 He calls himself Charlemagne the God, but at the end of the day, God does not suffer from

00:58:33.780 social anxiety.

00:58:35.380 So you're not God.

00:58:36.460 There's only one God.

00:58:37.480 He's only saying that tongue-in-cheek.

00:58:39.420 I mean, it's an empowering thing.

00:58:41.140 I know a lot of people find that offensive.

00:58:43.000 You know, he's trying to—he had a rough child.

00:58:45.320 He's trying to lift himself up and give himself like a different persona, and then he learned

00:58:49.260 to live inside of that and find his voice.

00:58:51.360 And he needs to get to know the God of the Bible and to find a peace that surpasseth all

00:59:01.140 understanding, the contentment that comes from Jesus Christ.

00:59:05.260 We don't have to stay here.

00:59:07.300 Let me tell you this.

00:59:07.780 So wait, let me tell you this.

00:59:09.900 The thing that I took issue with Charlemagne on, which I raised with him, is the condemnation

00:59:14.420 of America today.

00:59:15.720 You know, there's no question that 200 years ago, the country had massive problems.

00:59:19.800 So, you know, we're not living up to our founding ideals.

00:59:22.400 But we are the only country in the history of the world to ever fight a war to end slavery.

00:59:26.860 Multiple countries had slavery and still have slavery.

00:59:29.820 We're the only ones to ever fight a war to end it.

00:59:32.040 And those beautiful founding ideals in our Constitution, in our Declaration of Independence,

00:59:35.960 we ultimately got back to them and found a way past slavery and past, ultimately, the

00:59:41.940 Jim Crow era and wrote non-discrimination right into our laws. 0.76

00:59:46.480 And I'll tell you something.

00:59:47.240 I want to play this.

00:59:48.420 It's a long soundbite.

00:59:49.280 It's like a two-minute soundbite.

00:59:51.640 But somebody who really said this beautifully, and he's been like a guru to me in terms of

00:59:56.100 my own thoughts on race, has been Glenn Lowry.

00:59:59.140 Now he's an economics professor at Brown, was at Harvard.

01:00:02.260 And he and John McWhorter have this show that if you want to hear sense talked about racial

01:00:07.300 issues in a very honest way, you'd be well-served to tune into them.

01:00:11.040 He came on our show early on.

01:00:13.180 We didn't even have video at the time.

01:00:14.420 And take a listen to the way he defended America against this charge, which was in the Times

01:00:19.740 that day.

01:00:20.560 This is still 2020, not that far past George Floyd, about how racist and white supremacist

01:00:26.680 America is.

01:00:28.100 Listen.

01:00:28.200 The narrative about the American story, the American project, is fundamentally important.

01:00:35.880 Is this a good country?

01:00:38.420 Or is this a country that's founded on genocide and slavery?

01:00:42.300 The impact of Western settlement in the Western Hemisphere, the European settlement in the

01:00:49.120 Western Hemisphere, on the native population was devastating.

01:00:51.800 There's not any doubt about that.

01:00:53.520 And the commerce and chattel, which was transatlantic slavery, was of a huge scale, mostly going

01:00:59.780 to Caribbean and South America, but of a huge scale.

01:01:04.260 It was monumental in world history.

01:01:06.420 It was monumental in the foundation of the events that led to the American nation state.

01:01:11.760 There's not any doubt about that.

01:01:13.580 But the founding of the country, 1776, 1787, the creation of the United States of America

01:01:22.880 was a world historic event in which the Enlightenment ideals got instantiated in government institutions.

01:01:30.000 And as a matter of fact, within a century, slavery was gone.

01:01:32.980 And you know what?

01:01:33.760 The people who had been African chattel became citizens of the United States of America, not 0.99

01:01:38.480 equal citizens, not at first.

01:01:40.100 It took another century.

01:01:41.480 But they became, in the fullness of time, equal citizens of the United States of America.

01:01:47.020 The United States of America fought fascism in the Pacific and fought fascism in Europe

01:01:53.760 and saved the world.

01:01:55.960 American democracy became a beacon to, quote, unquote, the free world.

01:02:00.540 We stood down under threat of nuclear annihilation.

01:02:03.800 The horror, which was the union of Soviet socialist republics. 0.86

01:02:08.720 We have had the greatest transformation in the social status of a serfdom people, which

01:02:14.160 was what the emancipation affected and the creation of the Negro, of the African-American,

01:02:20.860 probably that you could find anywhere in world history.

01:02:24.640 40 million strong, the richest people of African descent on the planet by far.

01:02:29.320 This is a question of narrative.

01:02:32.400 Are you going to look through the lens of the United States as a racist, genocidal, white 0.81

01:02:38.840 supremacist, illegitimate force?

01:02:41.640 Are you going to see it for what it is?

01:02:43.880 Which in the last 300 years is the greatest force for human liberty on the planet.

01:02:49.780 That's worth fighting about.

01:02:54.320 That these people at the New York Times lay down to a latter-day woke ideology and debase

01:03:00.560 their country is despicable.

01:03:06.220 Oh, love him.

01:03:07.800 He's coming on in two weeks again.

01:03:09.620 But that's the first lie in your book.

01:03:12.580 It's about the top 10 lies in America is that America is a racist nation.

01:03:17.500 That's why you're taking such issue with some of what Charlemagne was saying.

01:03:21.420 Exactly.

01:03:22.140 And it's necessary that we do.

01:03:24.200 360,000 Union soldiers gave their life to save this country and to end slavery.

01:03:32.460 And so that can't be glossed over or overlooked.

01:03:35.860 People claim that America is a racist nation.

01:03:38.480 They do that intentionally to keep blacks on the liberal plantation. 0.99

01:03:43.080 Blacks have become the cheap prostitutes of the Democrat Party. 1.00

01:03:48.620 They screw us and barely pay us, and we keep coming back for more.

01:03:53.300 What does that mean?

01:03:54.400 That means that people like Charlemagne suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.

01:04:01.360 They are in love with their captor.

01:04:04.300 They are in love with the ones that seek to abuse them.

01:04:07.660 It's the Democrat Party that pushes genocide, black genocide, upon us in particular. 0.84

01:04:15.580 And to celebrate Barack Hussein Obama, a man who didn't seek to do anything to reduce the abortion rate in America for all people, let alone for his people, is rather asinine.

01:04:28.200 That's what you mean by black genocide. 0.91

01:04:30.640 Exactly, by black genocide. 0.66

01:04:32.140 The abortion rate in this country as it relates to black people is stupendous.

01:04:37.960 There are nearly 20 million black people that have been aborted since the inception of Roe v. Wade in 1973.

01:04:46.540 Wow.

01:04:47.500 Blacks make up only 13 percent of the overall population in America.

01:04:53.380 Black men account for 5 percent, and black women account for 8 percent.

01:04:58.420 Of the black women who are ovulating, that's about 2 to 3 percent, they account for nearly 40 percent of the overall abortions. 1.00

01:05:08.200 Before a person can experience racism or a racist nation, first and foremost, they have to be born.

01:05:17.000 And if you're not talking about the black genocide that's being propagated by the Democrat Party, you are doing nothing but wasting time. 0.59

01:05:29.200 And everyone wants to talk about racism.

01:05:31.460 Let's go there.

01:05:32.500 Margaret Sanger, in a letter to Dr. Clarence C.J.

01:05:36.640 Gamble in 1939, said that she did not want the word to get out that she wanted to exterminate the Negro population. 0.95

01:05:46.280 And she said that she would use the black charismatic preacher to assist her in doing so.

01:05:54.480 So who has she used?

01:05:56.300 Raphael Warnock, a black pastor who claims to be a pro-choice pastor.

01:06:03.500 There's no such thing as a pro-choice Christian or a pro-choice pastor.

01:06:08.580 The Bible is replete on what it says about the killing of the unborn and murder.

01:06:13.620 And we have this thing called the Ten Commandments.

01:06:15.900 Number six tells us, thou shall not kill, thou shall not murder.

01:06:21.360 When you look at men like Reverend Jesse Jackson, in 1977, you know, he went and spoke for the March for Life.

01:06:29.400 And he was very, very much so pro-life.

01:06:32.760 You know, I'll quote him right here.

01:06:34.540 He says, human beings cannot give or create life by themselves.

01:06:38.820 It is really a gift from God.

01:06:41.980 Therefore, one does not have the right to take away through abortion that which he does not have the ability to give.

01:06:50.820 That sounds like a pro-life statement, an anti-abortion statement, an anti-abortion statement.

01:06:57.400 But, you know, when he campaigned to run for the office of presidency in 1984, he sold his community down a river to gain favor from white liberals so that he could be the president.

01:07:12.700 The same way that Reverend Al Sharpton has and many of these black personalities and talking heads, Whoopi Goldberg and a lying Joy Reid, you know, who has a complex. 0.93

01:07:26.860 I've never met a real blonde black woman in the first place. 1.00

01:07:30.760 When you consider people like Big Fanny Willis, these individuals and Stacey Abrams, Stacey Abrams as well.

01:07:41.240 These people are pro-abortion, but they don't understand that the infancy and the inception of the abortion industry was to kill people that look like them.

01:07:53.260 Well, how about Kamala Harris, John?

01:07:54.760 She can't get on a plane fast enough to go make her case when they're speaking in favor of abortion or the first sitting vice president to ever go to Planned Parenthood, speaking of Margaret Sanger.

01:08:04.980 And we're supposed to be like, yeah, you go, girl.

01:08:07.280 This is a moment of female empowerment or black empowerment. 0.94

01:08:10.520 How again?

01:08:12.580 She's shucking and jiving. 0.98

01:08:15.060 She has bowed to the donkey and she's made a donkey out of herself by doing so.

01:08:21.100 Black people need to listen from the middle.

01:08:26.700 I'm sick and tired of people telling us that this nation is a racist nation, while at the same time you have black immigrants and brown immigrants and tan immigrants fighting and risking their life to get into this country.

01:08:40.400 I talk about this in my book, Hoodwink.

01:08:42.340 Go get a copy of it.

01:08:43.300 I talk about the fact that a Pew Research Center study was done in 2019, and it shows that there are 10—one in 10 people living in America are black immigrants.

01:08:56.420 Nearly 4.6 million black immigrants are in the U.S. today.

01:09:01.620 And by 2060, that number is going to balloon to 9.5 million.

01:09:07.840 Why are people trying to get into America if America is a racist nation?

01:09:12.780 I'll tell you why.

01:09:14.140 Because they want life.

01:09:16.140 They want liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

01:09:19.220 They want the blessedness of a nation founded upon Judeo-Christian principles.

01:09:24.880 They want to live in a nation that's a constitutional republic where they have true freedoms and liberties.

01:09:33.500 They want to live in a nation that is the apple of God's eye.

01:09:38.300 God has smiled upon this nation.

01:09:42.020 But it's Marxists.

01:09:43.480 It's Marxist atheists. 0.54

01:09:45.200 It's communists who have crept into America and who seek to creep into the black church as well and the church at large to convince us to shout death to America, hate America, hate Israel. 0.57

01:10:00.940 But while at the same time screaming being that they're pro-Hamas and pro-Palestine.

01:10:06.380 It really makes no sense.

01:10:09.300 And so to your listeners out there and black Americans, we have to listen from the middle and keep in mind that we should not support any politician that wants to support abortion laws.

01:10:23.800 We should not do that because it damages and kills us the most.

01:10:28.560 I've worked at abortion clinics in the southeast trying to save babies.

01:10:32.820 I did that for almost 12 to 13 years.

01:10:35.860 And you would see a constant flow of black women coming to the abortion clinics. 0.99

01:10:41.320 Oftentimes, in my studies, I have found that nearly 65 percent to 70 percent of the overall women coming to the clinics that I went to and that I worked at for nearly 13 years, they were primarily black.

01:10:56.280 But nearly 70 to 80 percent of the people outside of the abortion clinic trying to save these black babies were white.

01:11:06.240 Wow.

01:11:07.420 White Republicans have done more to save black babies than the NAACP, the Congressional Black Caucus and BLM combined.

01:11:19.640 Those three organizations that I just mentioned, when Roe v. Wade was overturned, they all came out with that, you know, that fear-mongering speech and that talk and that rhetoric that, oh, because of the black maternal health crisis, black women are going to be unsafe and they're taking away your liberties and all of that junk. 1.00

01:11:39.100 Because at the end of the day, Malcolm X tried to tell us that the white liberal hates black Americans.

01:11:47.040 And so I'm giving this the just do that it needs.

01:11:52.180 I am saying what needs to be said, regardless of pigmentation and color.

01:11:57.600 And here's another thing that we can talk about.

01:12:00.760 Beyond just labeling America as a racist nation, they want to say that we are all victims.

01:12:06.280 Blacks are victims. 1.00

01:12:07.260 We're proverbial victims.

01:12:08.340 We can't make it in America.

01:12:10.500 You know, there was a time in this country where the black marriage rate rivaled that of whites from the 1890s up to the 1950s.

01:12:18.380 The black marriage rate rivaled that of whites.

01:12:22.020 But it wasn't until—

01:12:22.840 And then came Lyndon Johnson.

01:12:24.360 There you have it.

01:12:25.820 Lyndon Johnson came along and brought along the great society.

01:12:28.600 And he said himself that he would have these Negroes—he said something else—he would have these N-words voting for the Democrat Party for the next 200 years. 0.99

01:12:39.100 He found a creative way to remove the black man from the home and replace him with a $300 to $400 check. 1.00

01:12:45.820 Now, government has become God and daddy.

01:12:50.820 The Bible says if a man doesn't work, neither shall he eat.

01:12:55.200 But from the 1890s to the 1950s, blacks were under great suppression and oppression in this country.

01:13:02.060 That is true.

01:13:03.260 But we fared better then than we do today.

01:13:08.320 Why?

01:13:08.900 Because we focused on faith, family, and education void of special interests.

01:13:17.380 We built our own school.

01:13:19.200 Consider Booker T. Washington.

01:13:21.360 The man lived through times of slavery.

01:13:25.360 He overcame a lot.

01:13:26.740 He overcame much injustice, but he died a millionaire.

01:13:31.600 How?

01:13:32.780 And so for any black man out there that says, I'm a black man and I can't make it, and all this junk, walking around with your pants around your knees, you know, you're probably not able to get employed because you haven't done the necessary work to study, to prepare yourself, to be accountable,

01:13:52.940 and not to put the responsibility on the white man to do for you what you should be doing for yourself.

01:14:00.740 That is the message that needs to be heard.

01:14:03.960 Wow.

01:14:04.880 John, so well said.

01:14:06.880 Again, just for those of you who are listening, it's called Hoodwinked, and I'm going to try it again.

01:14:11.400 It's John Amonchukwu.

01:14:14.120 Amonchukwu.

01:14:14.620 Did I get it right, John, this time?

01:14:16.880 Perfect.

01:14:17.420 You always get it right.

01:14:18.480 I just want to make sure everybody knows what to look for when they go to Amazon to order it right now.

01:14:25.460 Hoodwinked.

01:14:25.900 You can see why we fell in love with John from afar, and he's even better up close talking about all these issues.

01:14:32.380 Let's go back for a second to what's happening in the schools because I do want to show a couple of other clips because they're gold.

01:14:39.140 This is one we played from May of 2023, and it happened in Asheville, North Carolina, where John went into the school board meeting there to take issue with a book that, I mean, ironically, is called It's Perfectly Normal, and yet the contents were anything but.

01:14:58.640 Watch this.

01:14:59.100 This book here, it's called It's Perfectly Normal.

01:15:03.420 I'll read some of this for you.

01:15:05.100 It says, after a bit, a person's b**** becomes moist and slippery, and the clitoris becomes hard. 0.97

01:15:11.560 After a bit, a person's b**** becomes erect, stiff, and larger. 0.90

01:15:16.440 Pastor.

01:15:16.780 Sometimes a bit of clear fluid that may contain a few sperm comes out of the tip of the b**** and makes it wet. 0.61

01:15:24.500 Can we?

01:15:25.440 Sir, I'm sorry.

01:15:26.860 I-

01:15:27.240 Was it something I said?

01:15:28.120 If you don't want to hear it in a school board meeting, why should children be able to check it out of the school system?

01:15:36.420 We have perverts that are perverting our kids, and you all sit back smug in your chairs, but you don't want me to read it.

01:15:46.180 Why?

01:15:46.540 Does it bother you?

01:15:48.780 Ah, yes, yes, yes.

01:15:52.220 Does it-

01:15:52.780 So you're saying that though it has made change, it's not all for effect that you're saying you actually did

01:15:58.060 manage to flip a couple school boards, and while they may be dragging you out by the cops, which, by the way, I'm told is the ultimate Karen move, right, to call the cops on a black man when no crime has been committed. 0.79

01:16:07.240 But they're listening.

01:16:09.240 At some level, at least the constituents are listening.

01:16:12.100 By all means, I hear from parents every day.

01:16:16.020 I have invites to school board meetings all around the country.

01:16:21.500 I have more opportunities than there are days on the calendar.

01:16:24.040 We are winning because we are showing the world what's really going on at these school board meetings and what's going on behind the scenes as it relates to these curriculum and materials that are being placed at the fingertips of our kids.

01:16:39.080 That book that I was reading from is right here.

01:16:42.180 You know, it's perfectly normal, and it's not perfectly normal to mentally rape a child.

01:16:49.180 Hear that?

01:16:49.580 Some people call it grooming.

01:16:52.840 Some people call it indoctrination.

01:16:54.760 I call it mental rape because it assaults the soul, it stains the brain, and it robs children of their innocence.

01:17:02.800 They are forcibly removing their innocence, and they are doing it with government support.

01:17:12.580 And when you consider even a book like this, I went to Missouri just two days ago.

01:17:19.660 This book is entitled Jack of Hearts and Other Parts.

01:17:22.580 This book gives you explicit details on how to give the best, what some call sloppy-toppy, oral sex that a man could possibly have.

01:17:34.580 That's what this book is about.

01:17:35.760 All right?

01:17:36.840 It talks about a young man going into the rear end of another guy and go figure, when he pulls out, there's feces all over the condom.

01:17:48.520 Then it tells you to—

01:17:49.980 And this is in school libraries?

01:17:51.680 Oh, it's in school libraries all around, all around, all around the country.

01:17:55.700 It is.

01:17:56.240 It is.

01:17:57.100 It's everywhere.

01:17:57.760 It's in Wake County, North Carolina.

01:17:59.240 I talked about this book twice in North Carolina, in what is called Wake County.

01:18:05.420 This book even teaches kids, you know, when you're giving oral sex, use both of your hands and don't just sit there and do nothing. 0.65

01:18:15.240 Use a finger and insert it into the person's rectum while you're giving oral sex. 1.00

01:18:20.260 This is trash.

01:18:22.080 This is trash.

01:18:23.080 That's what this is.

01:18:24.100 And this is the fruit of DEI.

01:18:27.420 That's what it is.

01:18:28.140 Yes, so that's—I want to ask you that.

01:18:30.360 So why—now you're getting to the crux of it.

01:18:32.960 Why?

01:18:33.660 Why is it important to, as you point out, these perverts, to have these books in our children's schools?

01:18:40.860 And just for those listening, in case you're thinking it's just high schools, it's not.

01:18:44.600 We've seen case after case where it's in middle schools and sometimes even elementary.

01:18:49.980 So why?

01:18:50.720 You're so right.

01:18:51.960 Well, this book is perfectly normal.

01:18:53.840 It's for kids 10 and up, you know?

01:18:56.420 So that's elementary.

01:18:58.140 The why is this.

01:18:59.540 We have to make the homosexual community feel accepted.

01:19:07.000 So therefore, we have to allow kids who are not homosexual, who are not even thinking about oral sex and anal sex as a child. 0.71

01:19:19.840 We have to corrupt their existence in education just to make the LGBTQIA plus community feel welcomed, loved, seen, and heard.

01:19:33.800 That's why.

01:19:34.580 And we're getting ready to go into what is called Pride Month, where we will see a parade of individuals celebrating and gallivanting about and cheering over sexual deviancy. 0.65

01:19:51.380 And if you disagree with them, you're labeled as a homophobe.

01:19:56.840 I talk in my book about disagreement means that we can no longer talk.

01:20:03.040 You know, if you disagree with a person and their lifestyle, you can no longer have a conversation.

01:20:06.980 You know, and the reality is that in life, at some point, you're going to be offended.

01:20:13.000 And being offended is not a sin.

01:20:15.300 It's reality.

01:20:16.260 People are going to disagree with you.

01:20:18.600 I don't think we should talk about heterosexual sex nor homosexual sex in the public school system.

01:20:25.120 Same.

01:20:25.520 This book right here.

01:20:26.080 It's not the place.

01:20:27.660 It's not.

01:20:28.720 This book right here is called Let's Talk About It.

01:20:32.640 Why do kids need to hear about how to insert a butt plug? 0.99

01:20:42.280 How is that going to help us on the EOG test score?

01:20:47.220 Does that increase your SAT?

01:20:49.680 It doesn't.

01:20:50.720 You know, how is that going to help us compete in a global economy?

01:20:56.760 Yes, right.

01:20:58.000 How is it going to help raise up more children who will be proficient in science and technology and engineering and math?

01:21:06.160 It's not going to do it.

01:21:07.460 I can't even open this book.

01:21:09.340 And then you have this book.

01:21:10.860 It's called Queer, The Ultimate LGBTQ Guide for Teens. 1.00

01:21:16.620 This book is in Wake County and all around the country as well.

01:21:20.080 And it teaches you how to properly sanitize objects that you insert into your body.

01:21:28.740 It also says to, you know, put it in the dishwasher.

01:21:32.360 Oh, God.

01:21:33.860 And be sure to let it cool down before you use it again.

01:21:37.540 Megan, this is trash.

01:21:40.720 Also written for dummies.

01:21:43.320 I'm sorry.

01:21:43.780 But like, who are these morons?

01:21:46.200 Like, Darwinism should take care of these people.

01:21:48.060 No book should intervene.

01:21:50.080 I agree with it.

01:21:52.480 But I'm now labeled as the book banning pastor by Right Wing Watch.

01:21:58.420 They love to write about me and talk about me and say negative things about me because I view this as garbage.

01:22:06.180 It is garbage.

01:22:07.760 And I say this to men and women everywhere.

01:22:10.320 If you think that this kind of content is acceptable, you're either a punk or a pervert.

01:22:16.260 There is no in between.

01:22:18.880 And I say that I said that same line in Midland, Texas, and a school board member left the school board meeting, came outside and wanted to fight.

01:22:29.620 Because I said that you're either a punk or a pervert if you keep the filth in the school system.

01:22:37.380 And my response was this, sir, I don't know if you heard what I said.

01:22:43.060 I said you're either a punk or a pervert if you keep the books in.

01:22:47.560 The question is, are you going to remove it?

01:22:50.340 I don't care about the snowflake emotions of these board members.

01:22:54.740 I can care less.

01:22:55.640 I care about the children first.

01:22:57.940 I want to do what's best for the kids to heck with the adults.

01:23:02.920 I'm in this for the children.

01:23:05.200 Who is going to put the children first? 0.98

01:23:07.940 And I talk about this in my book, Hoodwink.

01:23:10.180 Go get a copy of it.

01:23:11.180 And he told me, he said, you know what, but you don't have to insult me.

01:23:15.420 You don't have to insult me.

01:23:16.520 I'm going to help remove the book.

01:23:17.860 I said, now, listen, are you going to get it out tonight?

01:23:20.500 He said, I'm going to do everything I possibly can to remove this book.

01:23:23.840 And guess what?

01:23:24.660 He's not a punk or a pervert.

01:23:26.720 He's a protector.

01:23:27.620 Because in less than 24 hours, the book was removed.

01:23:31.760 Wow.

01:23:32.280 And so, but it takes someone being willing to go toe to toe with these tyrants.

01:23:38.480 I was targeted in Sugar Land, Texas.

01:23:41.700 I was followed.

01:23:42.460 Someone broke into my vehicle and stole my bag.

01:23:46.420 I lost my book bag.

01:23:48.260 I lost my laptop.

01:23:49.240 I guess they thought I had Hunter Biden's laptop in there.

01:23:51.540 I don't know why.

01:23:52.900 And they took my bracelet and glasses.

01:23:56.240 And most of all, they took a Bible that I had kept for the past 18 years.

01:24:01.920 Who robs a preacher of his Bible?

01:24:03.900 And I'm sure it was marked up and had all your favorite passages clipped.

01:24:08.480 So those are personal, very personal.

01:24:11.100 Very much so.

01:24:12.660 I had the Bible for 18 years.

01:24:15.380 I can almost tear up talking about it, you know, but when I think about that, it reminds

01:24:22.680 me that persecution will come if you do good works, right?

01:24:28.520 It's impossible for us to live righteous and not experience persecution.

01:24:33.120 But I'm willing to stand.

01:24:35.580 I'm willing to go toe to toe.

01:24:37.120 I'm planning on going to another 12 to 15 more school board meetings this year.

01:24:42.820 I'm launching a program to help raise up warriors to come alongside me.

01:24:47.300 And I say to your listeners, those of you who are on the fence, and even to the men who

01:24:53.940 are cowards and won't speak up and won't say anything as women are being defrauded in 1.00

01:25:00.560 our country, and as fake women, men trying to be women, are robbing them of their dignity, 1.00

01:25:08.880 at some point, you're going to have to speak up for our women. 0.52

01:25:13.900 And so I'm on a campaign to bring revival to America.

01:25:18.060 And Megan, we are winning.

01:25:19.940 We're turning the tide.

01:25:21.940 Even Bill Maher has reviewed my messages and videos.

01:25:26.440 And even he could see himself that, you know what?

01:25:29.180 Something is going wrong in this country.

01:25:31.260 And we need to speak out against what DEI truly means as it relates to putting filth in

01:25:38.480 the public school system.

01:25:40.160 Wow.

01:25:41.100 John, you're a hero.

01:25:42.760 You're a brave guy and an important voice in this conversation.

01:25:46.980 I admire you.

01:25:47.680 And I thank you for everything you've been doing.

01:25:49.640 Again, for the audience, the book is called Hoodwinked, and it's by Pastor John Amunchukwu.

01:25:55.660 And get it now, Hoodwinked, 10 Lies Americans Believe.

01:25:59.340 And the truth that will set them free.

01:26:03.080 It's out next week.

01:26:04.000 Get it now to support John and all these efforts.

01:26:06.980 John, thank you.

01:26:07.500 All the best.

01:26:08.260 God bless you.

01:26:08.740 Thank you so much.

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01:27:07.780 Michelle in Pennsylvania.

01:27:15.920 Hi.

01:27:16.220 What's on your mind?

01:27:17.160 Oh, I am so excited to be on this call with you.

01:27:20.120 A long-time listener, first-time caller.

01:27:22.440 Yay.

01:27:22.920 Calling from the very, very blue mainline suburbs of Philadelphia where everybody's insane.

01:27:28.500 There seems to be—I love your guests.

01:27:30.620 They're amazing.

01:27:31.780 There seems to be, like, an especial hatred.

01:27:35.500 I have a—the only thing better than one mother-in-law is two, and I have a stepmother-in-law 1.00

01:27:41.180 who's a retired Ivy League professor who is very convinced by the New York Times by all

01:27:46.860 the lies, but she is in a special hatred of Moms for Liberty and thinks they're, like, 1.00

01:27:53.000 Nazis banning books, and it never seems to stop.

01:27:56.240 So is your guest still on?

01:27:57.680 Like, where is he with Moms for Liberty?

01:27:59.340 How does he help them out?

01:28:00.040 Oh, I'm sure he loves them.

01:28:01.140 There's no question he loves them.

01:28:02.240 You remember them doing battle with Scott Pelley with all of his lies on 60 Minutes about how

01:28:07.200 they were book banners and this wasn't actually happening in the schools?

01:28:09.820 They were, like—they took him on, right—went right in the lion's den.

01:28:13.260 There's no question in my mind John loves them.

01:28:15.880 So they keep doubling down and doubling down, and now they've added—they keep trying to

01:28:21.000 change the name of the DEI initiative, and now they've added the letter B.

01:28:26.260 We're, like, in Sesame Street brought to you by the letter B, the letter B for belonging.

01:28:31.240 They've changed it at our school, too.

01:28:33.060 Now it's not DEI, not our current school.

01:28:35.220 Our old school got rid of DEI because it's been so targeted and stigmatized with good reason.

01:28:40.040 Now it's just belonging.

01:28:41.100 How can you be against belonging?

01:28:43.860 Yep.

01:28:44.820 Yep.

01:28:45.540 So every day, I'm with him all the way.

01:28:49.700 We all need courage, and they look at you like deer in headlights.

01:28:53.280 We have to memorize the facts in this book and keep the fight up.

01:28:56.680 I respect you so much.

01:28:58.700 Thank you so much, Megan.

01:29:00.300 You're doing such good work.

01:29:00.820 Thank you, Michelle.

01:29:01.440 I'm shocked that, you know, the WASPs in the mainline of Pennsylvania, I'm shocked that 1.00

01:29:04.980 they're buying into this nonsense.

01:29:06.940 They've got to reconsider and fast.

01:29:09.380 We'll get your mother-in-law eventually the step and the real. 1.00

01:29:12.340 Michelle, thank you.

01:29:13.640 Okay, let's see.

01:29:14.480 Let's go to Felix in Connecticut, where I am right now.

01:29:18.580 Hi, Felix.

01:29:19.000 What's on your mind?

01:29:20.820 Hi, Megan.

01:29:21.440 My second-time caller spoke to him in the past, and I've always loved it.

01:29:25.420 I don't know if you remember.

01:29:26.840 But anyway, what is on my mind is when he had Bill Merron, I was shocked.

01:29:33.940 Typical of all the girls, when he was on certain issues, his go-to answer was, well, I'm not so 1.00

01:29:42.520 sure about that.

01:29:43.140 I hadn't heard that, or I don't know that.

01:29:45.000 And it seemed at one point you were exasperated when you said, Bill, I used to be an attorney.

01:29:50.560 I deal in the truth.

01:29:51.560 This is what I do.

01:29:52.940 And it's like their go-to answer.

01:29:55.800 Oh, I didn't hear that.

01:29:56.880 Anytime you talk to a liberal, they're ill-informed on the issues.

01:30:02.020 It's frustrating to try to even have a conversation with one.

01:30:05.280 Thank you for that.

01:30:05.980 I feel like people who don't know me who, you know, say, oh, because Bill spoke, I think,

01:30:10.820 at the 92nd Street.

01:30:11.940 Why the next night?

01:30:13.160 And apparently he brought me up and said something to the effect of he was surprised at how far

01:30:17.900 right I've moved.

01:30:19.400 And I really think, like, it's not that I've moved right.

01:30:23.440 It's just that I'm committed to facts.

01:30:25.500 And the facts are, as I said them, you know, the cops were not killed on January 6th.

01:30:31.480 And we could go down the list.

01:30:32.980 But, you know, to people who really hate Trump, that sounds like you're like a Trump sycophant.

01:30:38.780 And they can't make that distinction very easily.

01:30:41.920 So, yeah, I think that's where he was coming from.

01:30:44.120 Felix, thank you for calling.

01:30:45.700 Appreciate that.

01:30:46.520 All right.

01:30:46.700 Let's see.

01:30:47.520 Scott in South Carolina.

01:30:49.080 That's where Charlemagne's from.

01:30:50.740 What were your thoughts today, Scott?

01:30:53.440 Yes.

01:30:54.020 Being a 50-year citizen of South Carolina, listening to Charlemagne, apparently he needs some

01:31:00.660 more education.

01:31:01.600 He needs some more looking into the truth as opposed to what he has been told is what has happened.

01:31:10.980 He needs to look into the truth like, you know, old Sergeant Friday from Dragnet, only 0.64

01:31:17.300 the facts, nothing but the facts.

01:31:19.920 But then again, the balance of hearing John afterwards certainly stopped me from writing

01:31:25.860 an email to you about the show and about Mr. Charlemagne.

01:31:31.960 Well, you know, I have to say, I appreciate, I love being in a position, Scott, where I

01:31:37.380 can bring you different points of view.

01:31:39.000 And I never want the show to get to a place where you're only hearing your own worldview

01:31:43.440 reflected back to you.

01:31:44.500 You've got a million options like that.

01:31:45.940 Like part of what's special about this show, I think, is we can get people from all different

01:31:50.200 sides and we get to hear their worldview.

01:31:53.280 And as long as I can keep it respectful, they'll keep coming on.

01:31:56.060 You don't have to like them or agree with them, but it's important, right, just to hear

01:32:01.040 this is what the other side feels and how they're coming at it.

01:32:03.500 And I think Charlemagne was sincere and in earnest.

01:32:05.840 We have to be careful of not doing what the left does with the you just need to be educated

01:32:10.260 because isn't it so irritating when they do that to us?

01:32:13.320 I think he's he's educated.

01:32:14.860 If you read his book, he knows a lot about a lot.

01:32:16.580 He just has different opinions about it.

01:32:18.060 Well, you know, well, exposing what they have to say on your show, I think, is enough for

01:32:27.640 people to make their own decisions.

01:32:30.080 Yeah, I agree.

01:32:31.000 And it's good to keep you on the porch light on.

01:32:33.260 Once we hear what they have to say, then it's not just a hearsay.

01:32:37.520 It's coming directly from their mouth.

01:32:39.840 Yeah, that's right.

01:32:40.820 He speaks to a totally different audience.

01:32:43.260 So his inputs may be different.

01:32:45.260 Anyway, Scott, thank you.

01:32:46.160 So let me go from South Carolina down to Georgia and Linda.

01:32:50.880 Hi, Linda.

01:32:51.400 What's on your mind?

01:32:52.720 Oh, hey, Megan.

01:32:53.640 Love the show.

01:32:54.520 Listen to it every day.

01:32:55.720 I was going to say about Bill Maher.

01:32:57.380 I listen to that.

01:32:58.100 I didn't really know that much about him because I don't follow his show.

01:33:00.740 But what I in my opinion, I felt he was very disrespectful.

01:33:04.720 He was all over the place.

01:33:06.320 He totally had Trump derangement syndrome.

01:33:10.420 And, you know, I just and he I didn't like when he would when you would say your opinion

01:33:15.080 about something, he goes, oh, then, well, we just we we can't we can't be, you know,

01:33:18.580 he'd almost stop saying, oh, we can't be friends in or we can't do this because he's just like

01:33:23.620 the left.

01:33:24.280 They they don't want to hear anybody else's opinion.

01:33:26.920 They don't they're not gracious enough to say, oh, OK, I can accept your opinion.

01:33:31.420 Here's mine.

01:33:32.000 And I just kind of found find him very irritating.

01:33:35.340 You know, well, he started the exchange by saying, you know, you can hate Trump, but you

01:33:39.460 shouldn't demonize his voters.

01:33:41.000 You know, you shouldn't hate hate his supporters.

01:33:42.920 But I do think something switched for him when he realized I was ready to vote for Trump

01:33:48.000 that he like I got moved into a category of maybe like, OK, nutcase or someone I can't

01:33:54.620 talk to or I disagree with.

01:33:56.300 But in the end, he got back.

01:33:57.280 Like, I think he he does wrestle with his anger over Trump.

01:34:00.800 And in the end, you know, when we got off of Trump, we found some common ground and landed

01:34:05.920 it in a good place.

01:34:06.840 And that's that's the best you can do.

01:34:08.620 Right.

01:34:08.840 People are, you know, it's like people feel so passionately about politics and Trump in

01:34:13.320 particular, you know, pro and anti.

01:34:15.400 So I was glad, you know, by the time it was all over, we, you know, behind the scenes, we

01:34:19.240 shook hands.

01:34:19.880 We had one of those, you know, polite hugs, pose for a picture together and wished each other

01:34:25.220 well.

01:34:25.440 So hopefully he meant it, too.

01:34:28.060 Linda, thank you.

01:34:29.000 Thanks for watching and thanks for calling in.

01:34:30.920 All right.

01:34:31.060 Let's go to Dan in Indiana.

01:34:33.760 Hi, Dan.

01:34:34.140 What's on your mind?

01:34:35.280 Hi, Megan.

01:34:36.080 Love your show.

01:34:37.560 Listen to that interview with Bill Maher.

01:34:40.240 And I when he said, I see the elephant, you're seeing the mouse.

01:34:47.060 And that was in the context of the election fraud and democracy in this country.

01:34:56.540 It's just so infuriating.

01:34:58.540 I don't know how you stayed in your seat.

01:35:01.220 Honestly, I don't want to find common ground with a guy like Bill Barr.

01:35:07.060 He is an atheist.

01:35:08.400 I'm a believer.

01:35:09.280 I believe in a creator.

01:35:11.320 So I see the elephant.

01:35:14.320 You and I see an elephant.

01:35:16.040 He sees the mouse.

01:35:17.160 You're Catholic.

01:35:18.060 You believe in a creator.

01:35:19.220 Um, the other thing that really set me off, like, but how many Republican red state secretary

01:35:32.460 of state have tried to take Biden's name off the ballot?

01:35:36.960 Yeah, yeah, I know.

01:35:38.340 If you want to get down into the democracy.

01:35:41.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:35:42.080 I got it.

01:35:42.460 Sorry, Dan.

01:35:42.960 We're we got to go because our Sirius XM time is ending.

01:35:45.360 But I agree.

01:35:46.660 I mean, let's talk about, you know, undermining democracy.

01:35:49.560 That was a shocking one.

01:35:50.460 Dan, thank you all of you for calling and listening.

01:35:52.860 God bless you.

01:35:53.620 And thank you so much.

01:35:55.160 Again, the Bill Maher interviewer this past Tuesday.

01:35:57.260 If you want to check it out on podcast or at YouTube dot com slash Megan Kelly tomorrow.

01:36:01.120 Jesse Kelly joins us.

01:36:02.400 See you then.

01:36:02.740 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 23, 2024

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