Israel Prepares, Biden's Aid for Gaza, and ＂Insurrection＂ in DC, with Bethany Mandel, Karol Markowicz, and Victor Davis Hanson ｜ Ep. 651
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This comes just a day after he announced a deal
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Also, it's going to go down on their permanent record.
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All right, you get the idea. I'm pretty sure that there are people serving prison terms right now
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for the January 6th behavior that was less than that. There are guys in prison right now who did
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less than that on January 6th who have had the book thrown at them. But I guess it's fine if
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it's in the name of Palestinian rights. And remember how it was, well, Matt Gaetz, I think,
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was one and also one of my favorite senators, Missouri Senator Josh. Why am I forgetting his
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name right now? Holly. Hello. All I could think was H-O-L-L-Y and I knew it was wrong. H-A-W-L-E-Y.
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Holly. I really like that guy. He got such shit for giving a thumbs up at some of the protesters
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on Jerry's. I mean, it was like a story in all the new ideas of thumbs up. Rashida Tlaib was their
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leader yesterday. She was their leader. She wanted more, more, more. Okay, we'll see what
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happens to her. Pro tip, it'll be nothing. Here she was once again peddling disinformation about
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that hospital bombing, which was done by Islamic Jihad, not Israel. Here she is refusing to accept
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that fact. Continue to watch people think it's okay to bomb a hospital with children.
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You know what's so hard sometimes is watching those videos and the people telling the kids
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don't cry and like let them cry. And they're shaking and somebody, you know this, they keep
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telling them not to cry in Arabic. They can cry. I can cry. We all can cry. If we're not
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crying, something is wrong. And so I'm telling you right now, President Biden, not all America's
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with you on this one. And you need to wake up and understand that. We are literally, literally
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watching people commit suicide. We will remember this. But all of you, you need to know, I swear
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to God, you are the right side of history. Wow. A lot of energy for the Palestinians. Don't
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remember seeing that for the murdered children in Israel from her.
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And does she care about the hospital bombing? You know, now that we know that it wasn't Israel,
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of course she doesn't. And at that point, you know, we knew already. She continued to lie about
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it. That's right. So, I mean, I see her and I see all those people in the Capitol as actors here
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because they know what the truth is. They're trying to lie to us. And I really also think that people
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like them are responsible in such a large way for what goes on in that region. The Palestinian
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supporters in the West have done so much damage to the Palestinian cause. Do you remember when AOC
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had to walk back her support for a two-state solution? Two-state solution used to be what
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liberals and most of the left believed in. They don't believe in that anymore. They want one state
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called Palestine, river to the sea, with no Israel. That's never going to happen. That's never going to
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happen. And the longer that people believe that it might happen, that's what leads to these
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atrocities. And people like her are responsible for this happening because they let the hope live
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that someday Israel won't exist. That will never happen.
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Bethany, there she was crying. Okay, here she is a week ago. Okay, just a week ago. Just a reminder. Watch.
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Do you condone what Hamas has done, chopping off babies' heads, burning children alive,
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Do you have no comment about children's heads being chopped off?
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Congressman, why do you have a Palestinian flag outside your office if you do not condone what
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She's disgusting. Her actual feelings are perfectly well on display in those two clips,
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Bethany. Yep. Yep. And speaking of actors, piggybacking on what Carol said,
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all of the coverage that happened yesterday in the Capitol, the cry on, the description on the
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bottom, even on Fox News said Jewish groups. Chiron. Yeah. Chiron. Thank you. I can never say that
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correctly. It said Jewish groups. They were not Jewish. They were using holy garments as tokens.
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They were wearing a talis, which is normally used in morning prayers and morning prayers only. And they
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wore it. They wore yarmulkes and masks, of course, because they can't let go of that religion either.
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But they're wearing yarmulkes and talises. They had to rent them from the local, I don't know,
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Judaica store because they don't own them. They're not religious Jews. They were not representative
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of the vast, vast majority of American Jews. And even lefties, by the way. So many of my
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liberal Jewish friends have been completely red pilled because they're seeing stuff like Ilhan
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Omer. And they're like, oh, well, she, you know, maybe, maybe there's, maybe the wolf is right outside
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the door. And there's the, the, the wheels are starting to turn a little bit and liberal Jews are
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starting to realize, oh, it turns out all of these people want me dead. Hmm. Yeah. It's yeah. I'm
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gonna have to pass. Yeah. Alan Dershowitz was doing a bit on these, um, Jews for, uh, it was
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Jewish voices for peace. And he did a great bit on his show yesterday about how they're none of those
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things. Those protests, they're not Jewish. They don't really have actual voices. Uh, it's all,
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you know, Astro turf and they don't want peace. So it was, you know, that they tried to say that,
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oh, and the media ran with it. Like Jewish groups joined in the protest, you know, demanding peace.
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That's not true at all. And it's of course just perfect on, on the back of the hospital
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misreporting that we have more misreporting and an insurrection that nobody cares about Carol. I
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mean, it's just like, it hits all the things like disinformation when it confirms your priors,
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more different disinformation, doubling down on the lie. She's already told insurrection that the
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Democrats don't give a damn about like every, you can understand why there are Trump voters today.
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Like, right. Yeah. I mean, I don't understand how invading the Capitol isn't a crime. I was told
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that it absolutely is. And it's, it's, you know, a crime of sedition and, and you absolutely will be
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arrested. Why isn't that happening? I mean, a few people were arrested, I think for assaulting a
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police officer. Um, so it was actually also violent. Uh, I, I think that we're seeing this double
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standard and it also goes back to the whole, these college kids are protesting, uh, you know,
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in favor of Hamas. Um, they're, they're saying the most despicable things. They've turned the
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paragliders into some kind of heroes and now they want to be not named. They don't want their future
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employers to know about them. Well, I'm sorry, here's the double standard and you're going to be
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happy. You're going to have to live under the rules that you created for the rest of us. You started
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this cancel culture and now you have to live as a part of it. I feel the same way about all the
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people that were in the Capitol yesterday. We were told that on January 6th, that, you know,
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walking into the Capitol, however, peacefully you want to say that you are is a huge crime.
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Well, I'd like to see some accountability in that case. And I'd like to see Republicans push for it.
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Oh yeah. Let's see what the prison sentence are. The sentences are for these guys. Let's,
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let's follow these cases. Let's get Julie Kelly on it. The only honest reporter on the January 6th
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trials and see what she finds. I have a feeling it's going to look a lot different, Bethany.
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Yeah. I mean, I, I, I would push back a little bit and I'm hearing this question a lot from
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reporters and editors and everything. Well, don't you support cancel culture if you think that these
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folks should lose their jobs and no, there is a line between saying something mean, um, and inciting
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violence and what we saw from mean or stupid. That's that's in one category. Supporting terror
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isn't a difference. Sorry. Keep going. No, I mean, you said exactly. Thank you. And you're
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better at talking. I can't even say the word cry on or Kurt per on whatever it is. Hi, Ron. Thank
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you. I still can't do it on the brain because of the Rashida to leave clip. Yeah. But it's, I mean,
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it's incitement to violence. Like I, there is, there is a line here on what you are allowed to say.
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And I'm sorry, supporting the, the torture and murder of Jewish babies or just babies in general,
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like as a human being, like, sorry, we found the line and, and they, they just don't understand
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that. You're not supposed to say the quiet part out loud. I don't think it's illegal. I don't
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think it's unlawful incitement. I just think it's grounds for never getting a job again. Like I'm
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not for me. I, if you want to hire those people, good luck to you. Good luck to your Jewish employees.
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Um, but the, the, like this, the notion that they shouldn't wind up on a list that thoughtful
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employers can consult to find out who's a terrorist sympathizer is insane to me, Carol. I did this
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cause I saw your piece the other day, um, on cancel culture needs to come for college kids,
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but I agree with Bethany. It's not exactly cancel culture. Um, but I just went back for kicks and I,
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I like this website, um, the college fix. They keep an eye on campus craziness just to see like,
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what are some of the most recent examples of the nuts stuff that has gotten people canceled?
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And I wrote down a couple of notes. Okay. Um, UNLV just apologized for using the word picnic.
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It will change it to lunch by the lake. I don't know what's wrong with picnic. I don't give a shit.
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I don't care enough to go find out. Um, Michigan state law school, the ABA recently recognized it
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according to FOIA documents that they got their hands on, recognized it and applauded it for removing
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the Spartan helmet from Michigan state's marketing materials, because this could be triggering
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to sexual assault victims. Uh, because it's Spartans. Oh, okay. Wait, I got to give you a
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couple more. Can we rewind for a second? Okay. Yeah, go ahead. Oh yeah. All right. I'll give
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you the couple more and then you rewind. Hold on. They care about sexual assault, but not of Jewish
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women. Go. No, no. Correct. Exactly. That's not triggering at all. University of Missouri fired a
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white cop for wearing the dark makeup, which they now call blackface to be Flava Flav before he was
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ever hired by the university. Somebody discovered an old picture of this cop doing it, you know? Okay.
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Um, Northwestern student government president told students not to eat tacos or drink tequila on Cinco de
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Mayo because it's triggering and it's dehumanizing to Mexicans. Okay. Then here's another one. The
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Princeton acapella group was singing the little mermaid song by the crab, Sebastian, the crab.
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There's a line in it that reads that says, go on and kiss the girl, kiss the girl. Well, they encouraged
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a couple from the audience to come up on stage and encourage the guy to kiss the girl. And they got in
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trouble because this was promoting a heteronormative attack on women. And it elevated the song to an
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offensive and violating ritual. All those people are now telling us that it is fine to go out and
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cheer for the eradication of Israel and Jews and to cheer on the terror and murder on Moss of Jewish
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children, civilians, women, pregnant women. We could go down the list, Carol, the absurdity of these people.
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I mean, they're, they're ripping that tequila out of my cold dead hands on Cinco de Mayo. I am
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drinking tequila that day and absolutely having tacos. I love tacos. Um, I, that's the thing they've,
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they've set these insane standards and they absolutely refuse to live by them. I don't know.
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We can call it cancel culture or not. I also think like a lot of the people who are being videotaped or
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photographed, uh, taking down the pictures of the kidnapped children, uh, in Gaza. Uh, I don't have
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any problem with them being targeted at their jobs. Like, I'm sorry, I don't want to go to a dentist that
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tore down a picture of a five-year-old being held hostage in Gaza. And I don't feel comfortable getting
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in an MRI machine with an MRI technician that did the same thing. So I, I'm all about expose them all,
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name them all. And you can call it cancel culture. You know, uh, Mehdi Hassan from MSNBC said,
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oh, conservatives used to be really into free speech. Well, yeah, well you won that battle and
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we no longer are. So congratulations. Yeah, exactly. And honestly, like we, we talked about
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this a couple, I don't know, years ago, Candace Owens had on some, I can't remember the woman's
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name, but they had a big debate on whether Republicans, conservatives, people who are
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against cancel culture, should start doing it to teach a lesson. And Candace Owens was very much on
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the side of let's do it. Let's do it. Let's teach a lesson. Same. I agree. It's, we tried the high
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ground. It didn't work. The only thing that works is canceling their asses so they can understand
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what a bad game it is. But this discussion is an entirely different lane. This is terror
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sympathizers. There's no debate. You're out. It's a no, get out, go enjoy your time with the
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students for justice for Palestine. Or you can obviously get a job as a professor in any elite
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university in America because they love you. They love people like you. I'll give you the last word,
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Bethany. Yeah. I mean, I'm not spending my money or going under the needle with any of these
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terrorist sympathizers. This is not like, I don't like their speech. It's, is that it's an
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existential threat to individual Jewish Americans and to the Jewish community at large, because I'm
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sorry, I'm afraid of a guy who will walk around ripping down posters of Jewish children who are
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missing and being tortured by people who, who cut off the fingers and cut out the eyes of Jewish
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babies already. Like we are in a fight of good versus evil and people need to take a stand and
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understand that that is, that is the reality on the ground here. Um, and, and, you know,
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cancel all their asses and destroy them because they've decided to side with Nazis.
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Yeah, that I completely agree. This is a different thing. This is the same as cheering on ISIS
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as it burned people in cages. It's the same as saying, you know, those guys who cut off poor
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Daniel Pearl's head, they had some points, you know, we should, we should really listen and empathize.
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No, goodbye. It's over. It's over for us too. Sadly, Bethany and Carol, love you gals. Thanks
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for coming on so much, Megan. You're the best. Thank you. Lots of love. Hang in there. Victor
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Davis Hanson up next. We are getting new information now. According to the Associated Press,
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Israel's defense minister today told ground troops at the border with Gaza to prepare to invade,
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but he did not say exactly when the invasion would start at the same time. And you heard,
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uh, the gals reference it in our last hour. Bethany said it report reports now that some 30
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rockets have been fired from Lebanon into Israel today. We've seen, uh, skirmishes, you know,
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increasing like minor attacks. I don't want to diminish them, but it's not the full on, uh, scale
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of attacks that Lebanon could do for the past week or so. So, you know, we have to watch each one
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wondering where does this lead? Where does this lead? And is this something more than just a saber
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rattle? Joining me now, a guest who I told my team I needed to hear from this week. I've been
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following him religiously for a long, long time. He's brilliant. You know, and love him too. Victor
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Davis Hanson. He's a senior fellow at the Stanford's Hoover Institution. He's also the author of the book,
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the dying citizen, how progressive elites, tribalism and globalism are destroying the idea of America.
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And you can find his writings at his website, the blade of Perseus for people who are dumb like me,
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when it comes to the classics, that's P E R S E U S Victor. He's tried, he's tried to educate us,
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but we don't always listen the way we should. Great to see you. Great to have you. I know you've
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been watching the, the military pieces of this. And P in addition to all of your education, you're,
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you are an expert on military conflicts over the course of history and Lebanon. You know,
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like I said, they keep, they keep doing a little bit here, a little bit here. This isn't the full
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deal, but if Israel invades Gaza, there's a belief by some that they will get involved that as soon as
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Israel goes into Gaza and with ground troops, you're going to see Hezbollah from Lebanon get
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involved in this thing and possibly even Iran. What do you think? I kind of a contrarian on that,
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Megan. In 2006, they did that to Israel and it had kind of a multi-front war. And as the economics
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minister of Lebanon said, I think last week, if we get into war with Israel, they're going to turn us
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back into the dark ages as they did in 2006. They haven't really recovered from 2006. And the IDF's
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air forces kind of made Beirut, especially the Shia districts, into rubble. Nasrallah ended up hiding
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in an embassy. And so I think what they're going to do is send off 10 or 20 and find that soft spot.
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They think that when Israel goes in, they can help Hamas and regain their streak cred or maintain it
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by saying, well, we were opening a second front and doing just enough to get a tit-for-tat response
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from the IDF, because the IDF they think will be busy in Hamas. But they have over 500 aircraft and
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they have the ability to level Beirut. And I think at this point, when you lose 1200
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civilians and another 200 soldiers and they're murdered in the way they were, there's no
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restraints on Israel. And then there's the other fact is that unlike these past tensions, we've got
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two aircraft carriers groups. It's 150 of our best planes. And they have the ability, if some crazy
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person sends a rocket against them or a randos to do the same thing to Beirut and to Tehran, and they
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know it. And I know that they have no respect for Joe Biden, but Joe Biden's being driven by events.
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He's not driving them now. He's reacting. And if they were to attack us or if they send a huge wave
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into Israel, there's nothing Joe Biden could do but to allow Israel to respond. And then, or I think
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he'd have to respond if they attacked us. So, I don't think they're in such a good position,
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Iran is. And nobody likes them. I mean, the Western world, Europe's sick of them. Their new clients are,
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should say, their new patrons. Russia and China both have a long history of anti-Islamist,
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Islamic, you know, Uyghurs and Chechnya. And they put up with them. They find them useful,
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but they wouldn't intervene to protect Iran or Hezbollah. And most of the Arab world,
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it's so duplicitous that their attitude would be, well, we're going to condemn, you know,
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the infidels for attacking another Muslim group in Hezbollah or Iran. But privately,
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they would call us up and say, but if you're going to do it, get rid of them for good.
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So, I don't think they have a lot of allies, and they're going to be very careful what they do.
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So interesting. All right, let me ask you about this piece of analysis. I love the podcast commentary.
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And yesterday, they had on an author named Jonathan Shanzer, who seems to have some
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connection or some info connected with the Israeli government, because he was speaking like a man
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who knew. That's my speculation from listening to him. But this is, he said a lot of interesting
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things. But one of them was, he said, Hamas has only 10% of what Hezbollah has in terms of rockets.
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And Hezbollah has got a lot more rocket power than Hamas does. And that Hezbollah may now have
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precision guided rockets. So they would be a potential threat to Israel. But he was adding to
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this, that there are meetings right now in the Israeli government. And I guess there's a war
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council of three people. It's Netanyahu and two others who are going to make the decision about what
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Israel does next. So Netanyahu doesn't have sole decision making authority. He's not the commander
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in chief like our guy is, you know, who could make who could make the call on something like this
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alone. Though he did Congress to declare war technically, in America. They're debating whether
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they should just do a ground invasion into Hamas, I mean, into Gaza, or whether they should, on their
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own, Israel, start it up with Hezbollah in Lebanon, and just go for it full, full bore on both fronts,
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once and for all. And that his information was Netanyahu only wanted to do one front, that's Gaza.
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And one of the others wanted to do two fronts. And so the third gentleman on this council is going
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to be the decision maker. But I mean, what do you think of that possibility that Israel might start
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it up with both Hezbollah and ground invasion in Gaza? Well, I think that's a very realistic
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assessment, because how many times do they have 150 of the world's best pilots right off their coast
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in America? And how many times are they presented with an existential threat that if this happens
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again, there won't be in Israel, you can't have a nation and allow people to go in. And we know that
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people, and kill, and murder, and rape, and torture, and mutilate the way that Hamas did. Hamas is an
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entity of Iran, as is Hezbollah. So in their way of thinking, at some critical point, they're going to
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wait for Hezbollah to have a volley, and there's going to be a magical number on Israel's side, which
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is going to allow them to, you know, go back and hit. And when we say a thousand sites, 10,000,
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100,000, what we're talking about are hidden all over Beirut. And so they're not going to,
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there's no way they can be discriminant. They have to go in and take them out. And they did that in
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2006. And Lebanon's never recovered. Hezbollah knows that. And they know they're going to target
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the Hezbollah people. They look at what's going on in Gaza. So the other, I think it's realistic.
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And the other thing is, when he has, when we say coalition government, that means people from the left.
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And it's a phenomenon in these Western societies. Ours is a good example. When you have Biden,
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a man of the left, they stick with the left. So if Biden decides to do anything, there's not going
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to be a lot of people in the Senate or the House who say, you're a war criminal, you're a Nazi in
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the way they did George Bush or Donald Trump. They're going to say, he's our guy, and we're going
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to go with him. And the same thing in this coalition government. If the other person who is a little bit
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more hawkish than Netanyahu, who's a man of the left, and there's a good chance he is,
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or at least he's not in the Likud party, the Israeli left will be saying, you can do whatever
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you want. And usually the Israeli left is the person, the group, the people that we appeal to
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to calm down. You know, let's have a two-state solution, come on. But when they're for war,
00:58:51.800
because they're own leaders for war, then there's no restraint. I don't see any restraint on Israel,
00:58:58.280
to tell you the truth. I don't think they're going to listen to Biden. I hope they don't.
00:59:02.280
I don't see a lot of Arab countries calling them up and saying, if you dare go into Gaza,
00:59:07.380
or you dare go against Hezbollah, we're going to do this to you. I see them saying,
00:59:12.980
we don't want any people from Gaza into Egypt. And they're not coming into Jordan, believe me.
00:59:18.280
That's their attitude. And the Saudis' attitude is, if you guys want to take them out, we're going to
00:59:24.360
criticize you publicly, but we hope you finish it off. That's their attitude. I know that for a fact.
00:59:31.480
What I'm gathering here is that the Palestinians, they're not well-loved in the Arab world. I mean,
00:59:37.120
it seems like everybody's like, oh, you know, they're a useful chess piece to attack Israel with
00:59:41.400
every once in a while. We hate Israel. So they're useful in that way. But live with them? Hell no.
00:59:46.680
Let them into our country? Hard no. And so it is a question of whether they would actually get
00:59:52.240
involved in a proxy war with the United States or take on Israel directly, which has a very
00:59:57.000
formidable military on behalf of the Palestinians. These are just realities that seem to be pretty
01:00:01.800
clear. They don't have a ton of real support. That's true. And it applies to the other.
01:00:10.020
They're all autocratic regimes. But when we give a billion dollars to the Jordanians,
01:00:14.540
we give over that to the Egyptians, when they snubbed an American president based on a lie,
01:00:19.580
and they knew it was a lie, but they knew their street knew it was a lie, but still was going to
01:00:23.620
protest. And they had to side with the street over us. Part of that whole dialectic is that they look
01:00:30.780
at us as weak after Afghanistan, after, you know, the Ukraine, after the Chinese balloon, after our own
01:00:39.660
forest border, after all the riots with George Floyd, they look at us and they think to themselves,
01:00:43.820
we're not going to go out on a limb against radical Islam for you guys. Now, if you were going to back
01:00:50.040
us up and you were really going to take care of business with Hamas and Hezbollah, we might.
01:00:54.960
But for now, we're going to sit on the fence and mouth the usual boilerplate that you're infidels and
01:01:00.760
all of that stuff. And we don't want anything to do with you. But we're not going to get out ahead of
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you because you saw the limb off and we fall down. That's how they feel about this administration.
01:01:10.760
And it's true. And unfortunately, in a lot of way, and especially with Joe Biden now greenlighting
01:01:17.280
a hundred million dollars, that'll end up, as you pointed out, fungible, it'll end up in Hamas's
01:01:23.480
hands, or at least it will replace money. The Iranians might have diverted for a little bit of
01:01:28.100
humanitarian aid so that they can concentrate fully on rockets.
01:01:36.200
Well, let's talk about the the idea of American deterrence, because, you know, I mentioned this
01:01:41.200
at the top of our first hour. We've got those two aircraft carriers and Joe Biden's clearly trying
01:01:45.660
to be a deterrent force toward Iran, toward Hezbollah, toward anybody thinking about getting
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involved in what right now is limited to Israel versus Hamas. I realize Joe Biden is
01:01:58.060
perceived as feckless by many and for all the reasons you just said, but it's still two U.S.
01:02:04.380
aircraft carriers, still the United States military. So are we still a deterrent in the way that we need
01:02:12.340
to be? Well, deterrence is based on two facts. One is the physical reality that you have the material
01:02:19.920
wherewithal to strike and protect your interest and your friends. And the other is that you're either
01:02:25.460
willing to use it or you're unpredictable, maybe even a little crazy. But if you're predictably
01:02:30.860
not going to use your deterrent to protect your interest, that's worse than having nothing.
01:02:36.640
Because in the enemy's mind, it's sort of, well, they have all this power and yet they're so decadent
01:02:42.440
and they're falling so low, they wouldn't dare use it against us. And that develops a further
01:02:48.240
contempt. But again, I don't think Joe Biden is in charge of events. We have these two big targets
01:02:55.900
out there. And if you want to send a hundred thousand guided rockets at them, you could sink
01:03:00.140
them. I don't think they could stop that. And they know that. But they also know that if you were to do
01:03:05.900
that, there wouldn't be no more Hezbollah. There'd be no more Beirut. There'd be no more Tehran. And they
01:03:11.720
know that. And they know that Joe Biden may not order that, but there are forces in the Senate,
01:03:17.800
the House, the American public that would demand that. And so they sit out there basically saying,
01:03:23.160
what are you going to do about it? And that drives Iran crazy. I don't think Iran is in such a good
01:03:28.580
position to tell you the truth. They're losing their pawn that they've invested hundreds of billions of
01:03:35.080
dollars to in Hamas. Nobody likes them. Their Chinese and Russian patrons don't like them.
01:03:43.480
They like their drones, but they all, you know, Russia level Chechnya and China has a million
01:03:49.760
Uyghurs. They're not particularly pro-Islamic. And I don't think the Arab world has anything but
01:03:56.160
contempt or fear of Iran. And so who is their constituency if somebody were to attack them? I don't
01:04:02.820
want that's necessary at this point, but there is no constituency would say, please don't do that.
01:04:07.300
We love the Iranians, or we're going to come to the aid of the Iranians. And Iran keeps saying that
01:04:13.280
they've got a bomb or they're close to it, but maybe they probably don't yet. And so in the way,
01:04:20.140
I guess what I'm building up to is in the way of thinking of the Israelis and some people in the
01:04:24.200
American government, that this occasion, if they started and they demand that they're going to wage
01:04:32.800
jihad against the Israelis or attack America, then you might as well get it over with. And it
01:04:38.160
won't be a Fallujah, a Mosul, Kandahar, Helmand province on the ground type of war, which is in their
01:04:46.740
favor. It'll be an air campaign. You're talking about, wait, wait, just to be clear, you're talking
01:04:50.240
about if Iran gets involved, if Iran gets involved, then the response will be finish, finish them?
01:04:56.720
Yeah. Well, I mean, finish, not the Iranian people, but if Hezbollah attacks those carriers
01:05:02.320
with rockets or Iran does, they know what will happen. Biden or no Biden. And that will be the
01:05:09.580
end of their infrastructure in Tehran and their nuclear return. They know that. And they don't
01:05:14.420
But let me ask you this. But backing, backing up, like zooming out of Hezbollah and sticking
01:05:18.040
with Iran for, you know, directly for one second, would they? I mean, one of the questions I'm I
01:05:24.260
have is whether they're just going to sit there after you point out they've invested all this
01:05:28.240
money in Hamas. They'd love to see Hamas do its do their dirty work and take out Israel in however
01:05:33.980
they can. So now if Israel goes in on the ground in Gaza and is actually making real progress,
01:05:41.080
taking out Hamas, does Iran sit by and let its investment fail? You know, let its that it's the
01:05:49.180
head of the snake, but let the body of the snake die a quick death at the hand of the IDF?
01:05:55.740
It's not that it's not the question of whether they're going to let it. It's what's the alternative
01:05:59.500
to letting them and the alternative to letting them is opening the second front and experiencing
01:06:05.880
what Gaza. The biggest danger to tell you the truth, Megan, is not doing anything. Because then
01:06:11.260
Iran says to themselves, well, they talked about going into Gaza, but they were restrained and all
01:06:16.880
they did was bomb a little bit. And so if we went in, they wouldn't go into us and do that either.
01:06:21.180
But if you go in and you have a righteous retribution and take out Hamas, then Iran is thinking,
01:06:29.220
my God, the Israelis are angry and it's not going to be the same exchange of a few rockets tit and
01:06:35.500
tax. So what are they doing now? They're sending 10, 20, 30. Again, they're trying to find out how
01:06:42.040
many rockets give that credibility in the Islamic world, but how many, what's the magic point when
01:06:48.360
you do too many and you get a response? And so far, they've been pretty careful about finding that
01:06:54.340
medium. Because after all, if you're going to send in 2,500 murderers and you plan it for a year
01:07:00.780
and they're going to go into Israel and butcher and kill, then why, if you really are supporting
01:07:06.860
that and you want to intervene, why don't you do it when Israel's surprised and do it on the
01:07:11.300
northern front? They didn't do that. In fact, it was even worse than that. They planned it and then
01:07:16.960
they told us, we support it. We're so happy. But you know what? We didn't plan it. We didn't have
01:07:22.760
anything to do with it. They kept saying that. They were adamant about that. And they were adamant
01:07:26.660
because they didn't want to see Beirut suffer what they thought would be the fate of Gaza City,
01:07:33.060
which is the fate of Gaza. And they know that. And so, you know, anybody who says they know what's
01:07:38.560
going to happen in the Middle East is always kind of a fool. But I suspect that there's a greater
01:07:45.300
likelihood that they're not going to intervene in a fashion that would save Hamas or open up a
01:07:51.940
serious front. And if they do do that, I think people in Israel will see it as this is finally
01:07:59.000
an existential war and it's time to get it over with for good. And they know that. And I think
01:08:04.120
the United States put those carriers out there to, A, to deter Iran, but more importantly, to say to
01:08:12.280
Iran and Hezbollah that if you were to touch us or if you intervene and Israel is threatened with an
01:08:20.220
existential destruction, which I don't think it would be. But if it were, we're going to intervene.
01:08:27.140
And of course, that would be preferable than to Israel going to DEFCON 1, you know, with nuclear
01:08:33.480
weapons. We don't want that to happen. Right. So what do you think is likely to happen now
01:08:39.080
as Israel tells the troops? Because there's been some speculation, are they going in or aren't they?
01:08:44.600
Like, as you point out, the biggest, you know, message might be if they don't go in and it might not
01:08:48.560
be such a great message for Israel to send. But there's been a lot of speculation, like what's
01:08:53.160
taking them so long? You know, we're now, what, 12 days post 10-7 and they haven't gone in. They're
01:08:59.260
lining up speculation about whether they're trying to negotiate for the release of these hostages.
01:09:04.840
Be great if you could get the hostages out. But Hamas knows not to release the hostages. They know
01:09:09.480
it's just going to make them sitting ducks if they do that. So these guys, these IDF, you know,
01:09:15.060
soldiers have quite a challenge in front of them, given the layout of Gaza, the way Hamas has been
01:09:22.340
planning and the length of time they've been planning these underground, you know, cities that
01:09:27.400
they appear to have been building for God knows how long. How do you see all those challenges?
01:09:33.660
Well, they're quite great. But remember, they haven't been idle. They have done more damage
01:09:39.240
to Hamas in Gaza City and the history of Hamas in Gaza City. And they're doing it systematically,
01:09:46.540
taking out key installations, and there's no restraint on them. They're not telling us,
01:09:52.480
we're sorry, this, we're not going to. They're just doing it every day, every 200, 300 strikes a day.
01:09:58.660
And I think what they're trying to do is two things. Weaken the command and control structure of
01:10:03.240
Hamas and send a message to the people of Gaza. Each day, your zealotry for these people is going
01:10:11.500
to diminish a little bit because we're not going to attack you directly, but look at what they did to
01:10:16.340
you. And they're putting you as shields. They're trying to stop you from going to. And so it's to
01:10:22.400
create internal dissension. And as they're doing this, they're also trying to debate how do you go
01:10:29.420
into this hellhole? And they look at, they have Americans saying, you know what, this is what
01:10:33.840
happened when they went after ISIS in Mosul with the Iraqi army that we advised. Here's what we did
01:10:38.860
in Fallujah. And I don't see it as, you know, just a one-dimensional invasion going in there. It's
01:10:45.840
going to be more like, I think, if we can look at past precedents that were successful in really
01:10:51.560
bleak landscapes, is to target an area and go in and kill the Hamas people and get rid of the
01:10:59.120
tunnels, then go out and do it more like ink spots than just one massive push everybody out. Because
01:11:05.660
that's what we did in Fallujah. We kind of went in different directions and we filtered out the
01:11:12.660
civilians, but that was a pretty horrific place. We stopped once, but people forget that the United
01:11:20.080
States Marine Corps, I was embedded and I went into Fallujah after they had got done with it. And
01:11:25.760
I wouldn't want to have been in Fallujah is what I'm saying.
01:11:30.900
So do you have any hope for them being able to extract these hostages? If it's obviously,
01:11:41.300
Yeah, I think that depends a lot. And this is why I'm really upset about it, because when you look at
01:11:47.340
the demonstrations on campus and what university professors and administrators have said, or what
01:11:53.860
the left have said, there's been no empathy at all. I mean, think of it, Megan, we were willing to give
01:12:00.820
$1.2 billion per hostage to Iran for those five. And yet they killed 20 something Americans and they've
01:12:10.700
got another, we don't know exactly how many hostages, but there's no outcry that if you touch
01:12:16.260
this hostage or you kill this hostage, this American, this is what we're going to do to you.
01:12:20.440
And so, yeah, I am worried because they don't, they have to know there's going to be a downside
01:12:25.460
if they touch them. And we'll, we'll see, but I don't know what we've communicated them. But when
01:12:31.180
Anthony Blinken, you know, and Joe Biden say that give them $100 million or Joe Biden said yesterday that
01:12:40.360
the problem was that Islamic Jihad couldn't shoot straight. And I guess what he meant was,
01:12:48.580
well, if that missile had have hit the target and killed Jewish civilians in Tel Aviv, then we wouldn't
01:12:54.420
have had this problem because there was street wouldn't have exploded in the Arab world. We
01:12:58.980
wouldn't have had to give the hundred million. I wouldn't have been snubbed. It's the problem is
01:13:03.940
Islamic Jihad didn't shoot straight. That's basically what he said. Well, what message does that convey to
01:13:09.440
the hostage state group? So I'm really worried that we've, we've got a, a secretary of state, a national
01:13:16.840
security advisor, and a president that don't understand the charter of Hamas and what they're
01:13:23.460
up against. And, uh, they keep thinking that the more magnanimity they show to radical Islamists and
01:13:31.960
jihadists, the more it's going to be reciprocated in moderation, where in fact, all evidence in the
01:13:37.140
past says it's going to be reciprocated with more violence because it's going to interpret that as
01:13:42.420
weakness to be exploited, not to be, uh, returned in kind.
01:13:47.620
Mm-hmm. Yeah. You've been talking about sort of the sympathies that this administration clearly has
01:13:53.100
shown toward, uh, toward Iran and this utopian belief that they can extend the hand of friendship
01:14:00.700
and somehow, you know, Robert Malley, what happened with him? Um, now we have a new, uh,
01:14:06.760
they want us to confirm this ambassador to Israel because we don't have one right now. This guy who
01:14:11.400
was, you know, he lied to Congress. He was responsible for giving them the pallets, Jack
01:14:15.240
Lou pallets full of cash. Like there, it just seems like at every turn you look inside this
01:14:19.840
administration, what you find is Iran sympathizers or people who have this Pollyanna view toward Iran.
01:14:25.400
Well, I mean, we picked, when you picked, when we appointed Robert Malley, we were saying that we
01:14:30.740
want somebody to go well beyond what John Kerry had done under the Obama people. That is, he would be
01:14:36.660
pro-Iranian and he's now accused, I don't, allegedly of disseminating classical, uh, documents to somebody
01:14:45.460
and to bringing in, as you said, sympathizers into the state department. And Iran looks at that.
01:14:52.520
They look at the release of the sanctions and the oil sanctions where they got tens of billions of
01:14:58.040
dollars. They have attacked us reportedly. I don't, I haven't checked the accuracy, but the media
01:15:03.500
says 83 times they've attacked Americans and we've only be tallied for three or four times. And then
01:15:11.460
these drones that are coming from Iranian backed militias in Iraq attacking American and then giving,
01:15:17.500
so we've done all of this despite all of these provocations and they keep upping the ante and
01:15:25.140
we gave the money back. As soon as they came in, they restored the UN refugee money. I think now
01:15:30.060
Blinken was over there in February of this year saying that bragging to a boss that we'd given him an
01:15:35.820
aggregate billion, I think. And so they don't interpret that as anything other than somebody really wants
01:15:43.520
to like them and appease them and make sure they're happy. And unfortunately, that's a very dangerous
01:15:50.260
thing to do. Whereas if you're deterrent, you have a large military and you don't say anything
01:15:55.600
and you're quiet with a big stick rather than loud with a twig, then you create deterrence. And we had
01:16:02.960
deterrence under Donald Trump. We really did. We took out Soleimani. They knew that if they attacked us,
01:16:09.040
what was going to happen to them. We bombed ISIS into oblivion. We upped the military budget. We
01:16:15.600
moved, we allowed the Israelis to go to Jerusalem. We allowed the embassy, the Golan Heights. And each
01:16:22.560
one of those occasions that we were told that the Iranians were going to react or the Hamas was going
01:16:28.080
to do this and they didn't. It's because they were, they understood first that we had reason to do that.
01:16:34.880
And second, that we were unpredictable and powerful rather than predictably weak.
01:16:40.720
You know, I was, I've been thinking about this a lot lately because I was at Fox when Barack Obama
01:16:46.560
was running for president and it was 2008 and they were having the debates. I believe it was at the
01:16:52.800
debate. It was still a primary debate before he'd secured the nomination. And he got asked a question.
01:16:58.720
It was 2007. He got asked a question and he gave this answer that would become news for several days.
01:17:04.500
And I remember listening to Charles Krauthammer tear this answer apart on special report the next
01:17:10.980
night. I actually had them pull it so we could watch it because I do think this was the beginning
01:17:16.180
of this massive change that the United States has had under its democratic presidents toward Iran.
01:17:22.580
What, what was, I believe a gaffe got turned into us policy, not this specific thing, but this
01:17:30.660
open-mindedness extend the hand of friendship thing toward Iran. Here was the moment from 2007.
01:17:39.060
Would you be willing to meet separately without precondition during the first year of your
01:17:44.020
administration in Washington or anywhere else with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba,
01:17:50.740
and North Korea? I wouldn't. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to
01:17:58.660
countries is punishment to them, which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration,
01:18:06.980
is ridiculous. Ronald Reagan and democratic presidents like JFK constantly spoke to Soviet Union
01:18:15.460
at a time when Ronald Reagan called them an evil empire. And the reason is because they understood
01:18:20.820
that we may not trust them, they may pose an extraordinary danger to this country, but we have
01:18:27.060
the obligation to find areas where we can potentially move forward.
01:18:35.860
Yeah. That was utter ignorance. It was historically ignorant because Ron Reagan surely didn't want to
01:18:42.100
talk to Castro. He didn't want to talk to Gaddafi because they had no deterrent. He talked to the Soviet
01:18:47.540
Union because they had 7,000 nuclear weapons pointed at us and they were putting missiles into Germany
01:18:54.900
at our allies. So he had no choice. And that was the rules of the Cold War. But I wish I could say that
01:19:01.300
it was just naivete with Iran because I remember the Iran deal of 2015 and 16 and Ben Rhodes said,
01:19:09.300
we fed them an echo chamber of news and they know nothing, these 30-something reporters. What he was
01:19:16.020
saying was that we enacted a policy centered around the Iran deal, but it was even earlier. We remember when
01:19:22.340
he came in the first year, the Iranians rose up thinking that Obama was some kind of revolutionary,
01:19:29.140
empathetic figure in the West. And the Green Revolution in Iran had a million people on the
01:19:34.420
street. He didn't say a word for 11 days. In other words, he didn't want that to succeed because it
01:19:40.180
would upset his grand vision of the Middle East. And what was it? We know what it was. It was to empower
01:19:46.580
Iran and, by extension, the Assad's in Syria. And remember, they said there's a red line if they move
01:19:53.380
around, we're going to do that. He did nothing. And Hezbollah and, by extension, Hamas. And this was
01:19:59.620
going to lead to creative tension against, and he didn't like the Gulf sheikdoms, Saudi Arabia,
01:20:07.620
Kuwait, the immigrants, and then Israel. He really detested Israel. And then we would withdraw,
01:20:13.700
lead from behind, and this creative tension, yin and yang, wharf and whoop, that at key points,
01:20:20.260
we would say, and say, now listen, Israel, don't do this, or listen, Iran, you're getting a little bit
01:20:24.980
too excessive. But there would be no moral distinction between a murderous theocracy and a
01:20:30.500
humane constitutional in Iran and a humane constitutional government in Israel. He wanted
01:20:36.820
to empower that crescent, what they call the Shia crescent. And this is the logical fruition of
01:20:42.580
that policy is what we're looking at now. An out-of-control Iran that kills three, you know,
01:20:49.300
three million Yemenis have been killed or wounded, and they have a proxy war there. They've destroyed
01:20:54.580
Lebanon. They're in Syria. Syria is a wasteland. They're killing Americans. They're trying to
01:21:01.220
destroy that fragile government in Iraq. They've armed Hamas to the teeth. They're trying to destroy
01:21:08.340
by proxy Israel. That's the legacy of the Obama plan. And that's why, to be frank, that's why for 72
01:21:15.460
hours he was paralyzed when people asked him to comment about the murdering of Israeli civilians.
01:21:21.140
What was he going to say? Was he going to say, well, I had a rapprochement. I had to
01:21:27.620
taunt with all these people and it didn't work. I'm sorry. He's not going to say that. He didn't know
01:21:32.820
what to say. And it's all, I mean, it all kind of comes together because I heard you on your podcast,
01:21:38.500
which I love and I recommend to everybody talking to Jack Fowler, our friend, and he was raising with
01:21:43.380
you Valerie Jarrett. I did not realize that Valerie Jarrett was raised in part in Iran.
01:21:48.340
Yes, she was. I did not realize that. Valerie and then there was Jack Lew, this guy we just
01:21:55.540
talked about, who's been nominated to be our ambassador to Israel. He was with the Obama
01:21:59.380
administration, Robert Malley. All these things that we just talked about all started under Obama.
01:22:03.540
But so, but so got to remember that Robert Malley was their Hamas advisor for Obama and he was the
01:22:09.540
ISIS advisor. So their policy that blew up and that Trump took care of with ISIS, that was Robert Malley's
01:22:17.220
territory under Obama. Then we got to remember too, that Jake Sullivan worked for Joe Biden under
01:22:24.180
Obama. So did Anthony Blinken. This whole foreign policy team is to be frank, it's just a third term
01:22:32.180
of the Obama foreign policy. And Joe Biden, you know, it's kind of cruel to say that, but you know,
01:22:38.020
he's a construct. He's not making these active decisions. The Obamas are, they're continuing this.
01:22:44.340
And it's led to nothing but death and destruction. And it's really, it's really amoral to see what's
01:22:53.700
going on when we have, it's paralyzed. I mean, right now, Megan, we're looking at people in Europe that
01:22:59.700
have more moral clarity than this administration's people do. That's really, I've never seen that before.
01:23:05.060
The French are better on what Hamas is really like and what happened in Israel than we are.
01:23:11.220
When Joe Biden talks about the radical elements, the more radical elements of Hamas, what does he
01:23:16.100
mean? That Hamas is a legitimate organization that's been hijacked by a few radicals? That's not true.
01:23:23.180
And what does Anthony Blinken mean when his first reaction to the killing, the killing in Israel,
01:23:29.220
the abject murder, is to meet with a Turkish foreign minister and call for a ceasefire?
01:23:33.440
If you or I said to the Ukrainians, just as public commentators, if we said when Russia invaded,
01:23:40.640
we think this is a cycle of violence. You've had a long history. It leads to nothing. We urge you to
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have a ceasefire. And if they didn't, we said, listen, Ukraine, we want you to avoid all
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infrastructure. Do not hit that bridge. Do not hit that port. Do not hit that harbor
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without first notifying your Russians that there might be civilians in the area. And by the way,
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we want all your responses to be proportionate. And we've said the opposite. We've said, you know
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what? You're going to go up, you're going to defeat Russia and you've got to be disproportionate
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and we're going to give you all the wherewithal to keep on fighting. And yet we don't do that to
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our closest ally in the Middle East. The question is why? Yeah. Well, what is it about Israel? And
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truly look at America after 9-11. If someone started talking to us about proportionate response,
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it would not have gone over so well. No. If you were, I said that, uh, if you said this,
01:24:32.020
Megan, on your podcast, Megan Kelly says, well, I support, uh, the Ukrainians, but I, I don't like
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the cycle of violence and I want them to notify when they have to get near civilian targets. And I want
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them to respect, uh, the Russian leadership and understand that Putin does not speak for the
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Russian people. And this is a cycle of violence and we want only proportionate, uh, responses as
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we work on a peace process and negotiations. And we want a wide, uh, theater wide ceasefire.
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I think they would force you off the air. They try to. Yeah. I think you're right. I mean,
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I think they would have been laughed out of the country if they had said it to us after 9-11,
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after Pearl Harbor, you know, I mean, there are, there are real reasons to, to understand.
01:25:18.100
Anytime you have a proportionate response. Yeah. Historically, a, a proportionate response
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leads to deadlock and further death. And if we had said after Pearl Harbor, well, we're going to go
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hit Yokohama and try to, to destroy six battleships and call it quits. Or we could have said to the
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Israelis, okay, uh, here's what we're going to let you do. You can take 2,500 gunmen,
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go into Gaza and murder, uh, 1200 men, women, women, mutilate them, burn them, and then we'll
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stop. That would be a proportion. And that's not how wars end. That's what you said. Yeah. I quoted
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you the other day. You said, show me the war that has ended after a quote proportionate response.
01:26:02.160
I don't know anything. The civil war did not end when Ulysses S. Grant was outside Richmond
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and Robert E. Lee was entrenched in Richmond and we had cold Harbor and seven days and all of this
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bloodletting. And they were both proportionate. One side was trying to get into Richmond. One was
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dug and it wouldn't let, it ended when William Tecumseh Sherman went down and burned Atlanta.
01:26:24.840
And then he made a swath 150 miles through Savannah and ridiculed and humiliated the Confederacy. And then
01:26:33.200
they said, you've got to stop at Savannah. And he said, no. And he went through South and North
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Carolina with a hundred thousand of the best soldiers in the world and pulled up behind
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Robert E. Lee and said, you want me to do it again? And they surrendered. And that was a
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disproportionate response. And nobody had ever quite thought he would do that. How can you burn
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down a plantation and free slaves? And he said, you started it and we finished it. And, you know,
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he was hated for a hundred years, but he didn't kill a lot of people. I'm not saying that
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disproportionality means death. It just means using a level of force that gets the attention
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of the enemy that they're going to lose either now or in the late later, but they're going to lose.
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And that's how wars end. And it's, and we got the morality all haywire. This is amoral,
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what we're doing, putting restraints. If you keep restraining Israel and you keep telling them what
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they can do and what they can't do, and you treat them like a third world barbaric nation,
01:27:25.880
rather than a sophisticated constitutional society that just suffered the worst
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peace, so-called peacetime death in its history. And you keep restraining, then you'll get Hezbollah
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to enter on the premise that they're weak and they can't respond. You let them go and have confidence
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in their humanity and their ability to, to kill the killers. And I have a feeling that Hezbollah won't do
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anything, but that's counterintuitive to our purvelling wisdom. Show restraint, find just the
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radical elements in this jihadist organization, which otherwise is not completely radical.
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Talk to them, bring in this, that, and I think Iran will make the necessary adjustments when they
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see that and it won't be good. Yeah. That's what we've seen so far. Oh, such an interesting
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discussion. BDH, you're the best. Stand by. More with him on the opposite side of this break.
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I'm loving, loving his expertise. You, I know you feel the same.
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We learned today, oh, this is such, so sad, about the fate of a little Israeli girl whose photo went
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viral after she went missing after the Hamas terror attack on 10-7. Her picture went viral because she was
01:28:38.320
wearing a Harry Potter-inspired costume in the photo. The image was viewed more than 26 million
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times. It was also shared and commented on by J.K. Rowling, of course, the creator behind Harry
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Potter. Look at this sweet girl. Her name is Noya Dawn. She was 12 years old and she was on the autism
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spectrum. According to her family, Israeli defense forces found her body. Oh, alongside her grandmother,
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close to the Gaza border. She had gone to her grandmother's that day for a sleepover. Before Noya
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was taken, her mother says she left a voicemail on her phone. Noya described hearing loud explosions.
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All the windows in grandma's house are broken at the entrance because there was another boom,
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Noya could be heard saying in Hebrew before moaning the word, mommy. Oh, my God. That's a lot.
01:29:33.900
That's a lot. These are, Victor, these stories are so heart-wrenching, but they're important to tell,
01:29:40.560
right? Because it's like so easy to get into, we're not getting involved. You know, we're not,
01:29:45.060
this is somebody else's, you know, people go hard. I know you can't be too emotional because you have
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to make rational decisions, but you know, you have to remind yourself of what Hamas did in order to get
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a perspective here. You do. I wish the people on my campus and other campuses would just take a deep
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breath and say, Gaza was independent. It was autonomous since 2006. It had hundreds of billions
01:30:11.080
of dollars pour in from the Arab Gulf, from Europe, from us, from the UN. It had every opportunity
01:30:19.280
to create Singapore. And in its own charter, it said it would never do that. It was pledged destroying
01:30:26.000
Israel. And then even some of the Hamas people in a very cynical, snide way that were in gutter of
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all places, safe and affluent, were not going to make a Singapore. We never thought, we fooled the
01:30:35.740
Jews into thinking that we were concentrating on domestic affairs when we weren't. We've been playing
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this haha for a year. And how does that translate? It translates into killing people, little girls
01:30:47.600
mutilating. And I wish those protesters would think that when they say the things they do,
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Palestine to the sea and this and that colony, they're talking about at a time of peace,
01:31:00.920
an autonomous Gaza Strip sent gunmen in to butcher and kill innocent civilians at a holiday and partly
01:31:08.740
at a rock concert, a rave. So they knew people would be innocent and unarmed and young. And then
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they took like, as if they were Aztec captives going up to Temple Major to be sacrificed, they took
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captives with them back. It was the most horrific thing I'd ever seen. Yeah. Or you saw or anybody
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had seen. You're talking about little girls like Noya. That's what you're talking about, little girls
01:31:29.200
like Noya. You're talking about murdering little girls like Noya when you chant that slogan and say
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your terrible things. And little girls just like her who are right now in Hamas custody,
01:31:40.080
whose pictures are posted even all over the United States, just in an act of desperation
01:31:46.080
to find them. How do you stop that? And people tearing them down, people tearing down
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the hostage posters. And how do you stop people from doing that? And don't tell me you do it by
01:31:58.320
withdrawing from Gaza and giving them aid and another hundred million, because we've done that.
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And all people have to do is read the 1988 Hamas charter. And it's all there. And I think the only
01:32:12.680
good guy, this guy right here, just FYI, this is the Miami dentist, right? That this guy's a Miami
01:32:18.040
dentist, Ahmad El-Kusa on the left. The other guy is Zave Ramul on the right. Ramul is an Instagram
01:32:25.200
model. Ahmed is a dentist pulling down the pictures of the missing. And we've been updated
01:32:34.120
today. Ahmed is no longer working at the dental office. Well, good, good. Thrilled. He lost his
01:32:40.020
job. He's heartless. How would you like to send a Jewish patient into his dental chair? My God.
01:32:45.740
And Victor, another update on a lunatic on the left, this Mika Tosca, associate professor at the School
01:32:51.940
of the Art Institute of Chicago, one of the best respected design institutes in America.
01:32:56.620
She tweeted out or Instagrammed out an apology for a post she made yesterday. Now I'll just give
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you a flavor of her apology. Yesterday, I wrote some things on my Instagram story that I unequivocally
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reject and I do not stand behind. I'm deeply sorry for writing what I wrote and for hurting many people
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with my words. And I'm especially sorry to Israeli people that I broadly placed at fault for the war.
01:33:17.080
You didn't deserve that. I was wrong. I know my words perpetuated harmful stereotypes.
01:33:22.080
I allowed my reaction to the violence in Israel and Palestine, my reaction to the violence in Israel.
01:33:27.260
Oh, OK, really? And Palestine to take an inappropriate and offensive form.
01:33:31.760
So what did she post yesterday? Did she post free Palestine? You know, I'm on team Hamas,
01:33:39.140
which would have been bad enough. No, no. What she posted was.
01:33:42.700
This is the day before. Israelis are pigs, savages, very, very bad people, irredeemable
01:33:50.540
excrement. The propaganda has been downright evil. After the past week, if your eyes aren't open to
01:33:55.900
the crimes against humanity that Israel's been committing and has committed for decades and will
01:34:00.040
continue to, then I suggest you open them. It's disgusting and grotesque. May they all rot in hell.
01:34:06.460
Well, she's really sorry for the words she used. She was just a little angry and upset about the
01:34:11.320
violence, I guess, against the Israelis in addition to the Palestinians. It doesn't really sound that
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way. No, my reactions are twofold. One, the apology came because she was facing some consequences and
01:34:23.480
they think they have a blank check. And whenever they have the slightest bit of pushback, they go
01:34:27.820
hysterical and kind of go full, juicy, small at victim status. That's what she did. If somebody and
01:34:33.360
nobody had ever said anything, this is what's going to happen to you, she would have never apologized.
01:34:37.640
My other concern is, I know you've talked about it. What is this phenomenon where we have people from
01:34:43.880
Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan and Egypt and Jordan and Gaza and Palestine, and they are suffering under
01:34:53.240
dictatorship, corruption, sexism, homophobia, you name it, death and destruction. And they come as
01:35:02.240
refugees over to the United States and they get, as they expect, security, freedom, prosperity,
01:35:09.920
first generation, even second generation. And they use that platform and that success and that
01:35:15.280
blanket of security to do what? To champion the very systems and the very tight paradigms that they fled
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from. So here they have all these people in the safety of America who was a very generous host
01:35:28.700
and invited them or let them come in here. And what are they doing? They're saying,
01:35:32.860
great for the Hamas dictatorship, wonderful for the Palestinian autocracy. Great, great, great. But I
01:35:40.520
don't want to ever go back there. And I do not ever want to praise the conditions that made it very nice
01:35:46.040
for me. I would never do that. So I want both ways. And I think at some point, we're going to have to
01:35:50.180
say, you know what, the best thing that Donald Trump ever did was slap a travel ban on about eight
01:35:56.200
countries that sponsor terrorism. And we don't have to give you a visa. We do not have to give
01:36:01.340
you a student visa. We would and we should take a hard look because we don't want that type of
01:36:06.780
hatred imported here. And that hypocrisy to use our magnanimity to espouse hatred. I think we're I
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think Americans have been out there saying and Ron DeSantis was on our show the other day saying
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if these protesters, so-called protesters are here protesting in favor of Hamas and they're on
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student visas. Goodbye. They're being yanked. Go home to the countries you seem to love so much.
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Enjoy your time there. Victor Davis Hanson, the one and only. Thank you so much for being here.
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