The Megyn Kelly Show - Israel Prepares, Biden's Aid for Gaza, and ＂Insurrection＂ in DC, with Bethany Mandel, Karol Markowicz, and Victor Davis Hanson ｜ Ep. 651

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00:01:01.420 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:03.320 Live on Sirius XM Channel 111

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00:01:12.720 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:16.140 Hours from now, President Biden will deliver

00:01:17.980 a very rare for him

00:01:19.820 Oval Office address on foreign policy,

00:01:22.960 specifically focusing on recent events

00:01:24.620 in the Middle East and in Ukraine.

00:01:26.120 This comes just a day after he announced a deal

00:01:29.460 with the Israelis and the Egyptians

00:01:32.120 to allow some humanitarian aid

00:01:35.200 to go into the Gaza Strip by way of Egypt.

00:01:39.120 The president saying it will be distributed

00:01:41.000 by the United Nations

00:01:43.020 and adding this.

00:01:44.400 If Hamas confiscates it

00:01:47.260 or doesn't let it get through,

00:01:49.820 just confiscates it,

00:01:51.500 then it's going to end

00:01:52.340 because we're not going to be sending

00:01:54.720 any humanitarian aid to Hamas

00:01:57.080 if we're going to copy and confiscate it.

00:01:59.320 That's the commitment that I've made.

00:02:01.500 Also, it's going to go down on their permanent record.

00:02:04.340 You will see to that.

00:02:05.680 The news infuriating some

00:02:08.280 who felt this issue of aid

00:02:10.480 was a key bargaining chip

00:02:12.120 that we should be using

00:02:13.220 to bring the hostages home.

00:02:15.300 It wasn't done.

00:02:16.640 A group representing hostage families

00:02:18.240 saying in part,

00:02:19.940 we remind you that children, babies,

00:02:22.140 women, soldier, men, and the elderly

00:02:24.180 are being held underground like animals

00:02:26.360 without any human conditions

00:02:28.240 and the government of Israel

00:02:29.720 is treating the murderers

00:02:30.860 to baklava and medicine.

00:02:33.760 Understandably, they are upset.

00:02:36.240 Meantime, there's a new interview

00:02:37.760 circulating of Israeli first responders.

00:02:42.200 A warning first.

00:02:43.160 What you are going to hear

00:02:44.520 is disturbing in this clip.

00:02:47.040 The man speaking is with an organization

00:02:48.760 called ZAKA, Z-A-K-A.

00:02:51.560 It is the Hebrew acronym

00:02:53.120 for Disaster Victim Identification.

00:02:56.260 He has worked for the organization

00:02:57.560 for 33 years.

00:02:58.760 This is a group that's trusted

00:02:59.800 even by some of Israel's detractors

00:03:02.380 when it comes to information.

00:03:04.260 So he's worked there

00:03:05.160 for three decades

00:03:05.860 and has been all over the world

00:03:07.100 responding to terror attacks.

00:03:08.820 At a press conference,

00:03:10.320 he described how he found

00:03:12.680 the bodies of one family.

00:03:14.120 We went in the first house

00:03:18.840 we saw

00:03:21.200 was a couple,

00:03:26.780 father and mother,

00:03:29.460 sitting there

00:03:30.960 on the knees

00:03:32.120 on the floor.

00:03:34.860 They were on the knees,

00:03:36.480 now they were head down,

00:03:39.640 hands tied to the back.

00:03:40.940 on the other side

00:03:45.340 of the dining room

00:03:46.200 was

00:03:46.920 a seven-year-old

00:03:49.100 boy

00:03:49.680 and a girl,

00:03:54.060 I would say

00:03:54.660 about six years old,

00:03:57.380 sitting

00:03:58.540 just against

00:03:59.960 the parents,

00:04:01.620 hands tied to the back,

00:04:04.520 same position.

00:04:05.700 the bodies

00:04:09.540 were tortured

00:04:10.380 while

00:04:12.180 now

00:04:12.820 start

00:04:14.540 using

00:04:14.980 imagination.

00:04:17.580 Who was tortured

00:04:18.800 before?

00:04:20.400 Who saw

00:04:21.280 if this was

00:04:23.200 if this

00:04:26.200 was

00:04:26.480 a purpose,

00:04:27.860 if this was

00:04:28.760 the children

00:04:30.360 looking at

00:04:31.220 the parents

00:04:31.880 being tortured,

00:04:33.600 the parents see

00:04:34.420 and when I say

00:04:35.680 tortured,

00:04:37.220 I would say

00:04:39.060 missing body pieces.

00:04:41.600 An eye,

00:04:43.600 just take

00:04:44.620 an eye,

00:04:46.680 one eye,

00:04:47.500 fingers

00:04:50.760 being,

00:04:52.520 fingers being,

00:04:57.800 all this happened

00:04:59.400 and by the end

00:05:00.480 they all had

00:05:01.620 a bullet.

00:05:05.320 My God,

00:05:06.220 you think about

00:05:06.800 what the families

00:05:08.680 went through

00:05:09.160 and what

00:05:09.740 the first responders

00:05:11.040 have had to go through.

00:05:12.340 You can see

00:05:13.120 even that man's

00:05:14.000 trauma

00:05:14.360 and having

00:05:15.340 come across

00:05:16.260 the crime scene.

00:05:18.220 Now streaming

00:05:19.000 on Paramount Plus.

00:05:20.900 Someone is trying

00:05:21.880 to frame us.

00:05:23.320 Until our names

00:05:24.160 are cleared.

00:05:25.800 We're fugitives

00:05:26.520 from interval.

00:05:27.540 Like Bonnie and Clyde

00:05:28.740 with better snacks.

00:05:30.960 Espionage?

00:05:31.600 You still as good

00:05:32.300 a shot as you used to be?

00:05:34.660 Better.

00:05:35.440 Is there love language?

00:05:36.920 We like to walk

00:05:37.520 that fine line

00:05:38.240 between techno-thriller

00:05:39.380 and romantic comedy.

00:05:42.200 We make up

00:05:42.760 our own rules.

00:05:44.020 NCIS Tony and Ziva

00:05:45.440 now streaming

00:05:46.360 on Paramount Plus.

00:05:48.600 Joining me now

00:05:49.500 Bethany Mandel

00:05:50.480 and Carol Markowitz

00:05:51.480 co-authors of the book

00:05:52.600 Stolen Youth.

00:05:54.020 Carol's also a New York

00:05:54.780 Post columnist.

00:05:55.620 Bethany and Carol

00:05:56.300 so good to have you here.

00:05:57.880 I hope you're doing okay.

00:05:59.120 I gotta say

00:06:00.720 I have

00:06:01.580 I've just been

00:06:02.900 checking in

00:06:03.400 with my Jewish friends

00:06:04.400 lately

00:06:04.700 and I am

00:06:06.360 taken aback

00:06:08.200 at how many of them

00:06:09.940 say thanks

00:06:11.660 to our show

00:06:12.420 and to other shows

00:06:13.220 and other people

00:06:13.740 speaking out

00:06:14.440 about this

00:06:15.440 in a fair way

00:06:16.320 because

00:06:17.300 because it's not

00:06:18.680 uniform

00:06:19.240 because

00:06:19.980 the split

00:06:21.240 has been almost

00:06:22.440 immediate

00:06:22.880 to blame Israel.

00:06:24.520 You know,

00:06:25.020 this is just like

00:06:25.680 our priors,

00:06:26.440 you know,

00:06:26.700 like whatever,

00:06:27.640 like some of the left.

00:06:28.780 well,

00:06:29.400 I guess we're in favor

00:06:30.180 of the brown-skinned people

00:06:31.140 and not the white supremacist

00:06:32.800 colonializers.

00:06:34.000 That's kind of our typical

00:06:34.760 and

00:06:35.880 I just

00:06:37.120 I just wanted to say

00:06:38.900 that I

00:06:39.880 I hope you're okay

00:06:41.580 because I realize

00:06:42.540 this has been

00:06:43.140 a time in which

00:06:44.200 Jewish people

00:06:45.120 here in America

00:06:45.820 are reeling

00:06:47.380 seeing

00:06:48.260 these anti-Semites

00:06:49.320 reveal themselves

00:06:50.020 from corner to corner

00:06:51.340 here in the country.

00:06:54.500 Absolutely.

00:06:55.260 It's been

00:06:55.620 an extremely tough time.

00:06:57.540 I think Jews

00:06:58.200 across the world

00:06:59.460 are reeling

00:07:00.160 but I really do think

00:07:01.900 that people like you

00:07:02.700 have been such a bright spot.

00:07:04.260 I'm not just saying that

00:07:05.140 because I love you

00:07:06.080 and I'm on your show

00:07:06.880 but you really have made

00:07:08.680 an extremely difficult time

00:07:10.440 better

00:07:10.800 where,

00:07:11.980 you know,

00:07:12.680 we feel like the world's

00:07:13.540 gone crazy.

00:07:14.320 Like,

00:07:14.660 did they see what happened

00:07:15.840 on October 7th?

00:07:16.860 Did they forget already

00:07:18.640 what the images

00:07:19.640 that they were shown?

00:07:20.540 Hamas live-streamed it.

00:07:21.920 There was no room for

00:07:23.660 did this happen?

00:07:24.420 Did this not happen?

00:07:25.640 It happened.

00:07:27.080 And to have people

00:07:28.160 like you speaking out

00:07:29.120 it really has been,

00:07:30.400 you know,

00:07:31.100 a point of optimism

00:07:32.400 for us

00:07:33.040 where it shows

00:07:34.380 that there are people

00:07:35.300 who are sane,

00:07:36.000 there are people

00:07:36.620 who are good

00:07:37.180 and there are people

00:07:37.940 who will defend us

00:07:38.920 from the most horrific,

00:07:40.380 you know,

00:07:40.860 crimes possible.

00:07:43.080 Thank you.

00:07:43.300 I'm pleased

00:07:44.000 in no way fishing

00:07:45.360 for a compliment.

00:07:46.080 I just wanted to say

00:07:46.640 I've been taken aback

00:07:47.640 at how many people.

00:07:48.160 But you're amazing.

00:07:48.980 Thank you.

00:07:50.040 Thank you.

00:07:51.060 But to me,

00:07:51.540 it's like I'm sad

00:07:52.880 to see so many

00:07:53.560 of my Jewish friends

00:07:54.240 writing me saying

00:07:54.920 thank you.

00:07:55.860 Like,

00:07:56.340 my voice should be

00:07:57.240 so lost

00:07:58.200 in a ubiquitous chorus

00:07:59.800 of condemnation

00:08:00.740 that it shouldn't stick out

00:08:02.360 in any way,

00:08:03.080 shape,

00:08:03.240 or form.

00:08:03.920 But that's not the reality,

00:08:05.400 Bethany.

00:08:06.480 Yeah,

00:08:06.780 I mean,

00:08:06.960 it's not just that

00:08:07.660 you're speaking out.

00:08:08.420 I mean,

00:08:08.520 I think it's easy to say

00:08:09.760 I stand against

00:08:11.280 these atrocities.

00:08:12.080 I mean,

00:08:12.480 I personally had avoided

00:08:14.300 listening to that

00:08:15.080 news conference

00:08:15.760 because it's really painful.

00:08:19.520 But I think that the difference

00:08:20.840 between you and a lot of people

00:08:22.000 is it's easy to say,

00:08:24.320 you know,

00:08:24.520 this was terrible,

00:08:25.340 whatever.

00:08:25.720 But what I've watched you doing

00:08:27.380 with admiration

00:08:28.240 and gratitude

00:08:29.000 is that you're going

00:08:30.280 toe-to-toe with people

00:08:31.260 who are at best silent

00:08:34.180 and at worst excusing it

00:08:35.820 and trying to,

00:08:37.600 you know,

00:08:37.980 what about

00:08:38.720 and second guess.

00:08:39.980 And honestly,

00:08:40.900 it's Holocaust denial.

00:08:42.460 What we saw on October 7th

00:08:44.620 was a Holocaust. 0.86

00:08:46.160 And we're watching people

00:08:47.440 in real time

00:08:48.340 question what they're seeing

00:08:49.900 and what was live streamed.

00:08:52.060 And so,

00:08:52.660 you know,

00:08:53.140 wonderful.

00:08:53.740 I'm glad so many people

00:08:54.680 have spoken out

00:08:55.480 against what happened.

00:08:56.520 But I think that it takes

00:08:57.780 an exceptional bravery

00:09:00.060 and exceptional chutzpah

00:09:01.480 to stand up

00:09:02.740 and say to people

00:09:03.720 who are denying

00:09:04.760 and who are silent,

00:09:06.560 I see you.

00:09:08.140 I see what you're doing.

00:09:09.260 And it's disgusting.

00:09:11.140 And not enough people

00:09:12.280 are doing it.

00:09:13.040 And, you know,

00:09:13.580 speaking on behalf

00:09:14.300 of the Jewish people,

00:09:15.040 thank you for doing it.

00:09:16.680 Oh, I mean, Bethany,

00:09:17.720 hasn't it been

00:09:18.480 so revealing

00:09:20.180 when you see,

00:09:20.920 like, to me,

00:09:21.920 it's been shocking

00:09:23.320 because it's almost like

00:09:24.200 people had a mask up,

00:09:25.560 people I liked,

00:09:26.220 people I respected.

00:09:27.340 And now the mask is off.

00:09:29.480 You know,

00:09:29.800 it's like

00:09:30.320 they couldn't care less.

00:09:32.580 There are some

00:09:33.440 who are trying

00:09:34.640 to downplay this.

00:09:35.840 There's some on the left

00:09:36.580 who are entirely,

00:09:37.500 it's great.

00:09:38.220 We love it.

00:09:38.620 We're cheering it.

00:09:39.140 I didn't know

00:09:39.780 any of those people personally.

00:09:41.120 But there are some

00:09:41.980 who weren't

00:09:43.080 bizarre people

00:09:44.160 who I already

00:09:45.020 wasn't associated with

00:09:46.040 who are quick to say,

00:09:47.680 like,

00:09:48.000 eh, you know,

00:09:49.340 it's somebody else's problem

00:09:50.520 or their first instinct.

00:09:51.920 It sounds very

00:09:52.640 Neville Chamberlain-y.

00:09:53.820 You know what I mean?

00:09:54.300 Like,

00:09:54.860 oh, you know,

00:09:55.500 let's just make sure

00:09:56.060 that we're okay.

00:09:57.520 It's kind of Israel's, 0.95

00:09:58.400 like,

00:09:59.140 I understand we have

00:10:00.720 foreign interests,

00:10:02.060 foreign policy interests

00:10:02.580 of our own.

00:10:03.400 Nobody here,

00:10:04.320 including you two,

00:10:05.220 I'm sure,

00:10:05.640 wants to see America

00:10:06.320 rush right in.

00:10:07.140 Let's have war with Iran. 1.00

00:10:08.340 Let's do this thing.

00:10:09.760 That's,

00:10:10.160 that's straw manning,

00:10:11.980 right?

00:10:12.240 Like,

00:10:12.580 if you're going there,

00:10:13.820 you're misrepresenting

00:10:15.060 what the real issue

00:10:16.340 is right now.

00:10:17.920 Yeah.

00:10:18.300 I mean,

00:10:18.900 we saw Hamas

00:10:20.480 go into all of these homes

00:10:21.940 to kill Jews. 0.74

00:10:22.780 That was their objective.

00:10:24.120 And newsflash

00:10:25.200 for everyone

00:10:25.900 here in America,

00:10:27.000 there are Jews here too.

00:10:28.720 And when you say

00:10:29.700 that Israel

00:10:30.220 doesn't have the right

00:10:31.180 to defend itself

00:10:32.020 against a massacre,

00:10:33.000 you're saying

00:10:33.640 that the American

00:10:34.260 Jewish community

00:10:35.060 also does not

00:10:36.200 have that right.

00:10:37.180 That it is okay

00:10:38.480 with you

00:10:38.940 if Hamas walks 0.87

00:10:39.840 into a synagogue,

00:10:40.760 which has happened

00:10:42.080 already.

00:10:42.600 We've already seen

00:10:43.260 terror attacks

00:10:43.840 in American kosher

00:10:45.020 supermarkets

00:10:45.660 and synagogues 1.00

00:10:46.580 and schools.

00:10:47.460 And you're telling them

00:10:48.800 they have

00:10:49.580 a free ticket

00:10:50.780 to do that.

00:10:51.800 When I was walking

00:10:52.380 to synagogue

00:10:52.880 last weekend

00:10:53.580 with my children,

00:10:54.320 I gave them

00:10:55.140 an active shooter

00:10:56.200 conversation.

00:10:57.380 I said,

00:10:57.880 if you hear shooting,

00:10:59.940 and like,

00:11:00.340 do I want to have

00:11:01.080 that conversation

00:11:01.660 with my four-year-old?

00:11:02.920 No.

00:11:03.660 I mean,

00:11:03.880 really,

00:11:04.180 I had it

00:11:04.560 for my 10-year-old

00:11:05.220 and my six-year-old.

00:11:06.540 But this is not,

00:11:07.860 and people heard me

00:11:08.960 on the walk

00:11:09.660 because other people

00:11:10.520 are walking to synagogue

00:11:11.380 and I said,

00:11:12.060 I feel kind of

00:11:13.040 melodramatic doing this,

00:11:14.180 but also,

00:11:14.800 it's a necessary

00:11:15.520 conversation at this point.

00:11:16.840 And so I'm telling my kids,

00:11:18.360 like,

00:11:18.820 if you hear a gun

00:11:19.800 and you don't see a gun,

00:11:21.060 run.

00:11:21.680 If you see the gun,

00:11:22.820 hide.

00:11:23.540 Because if you can see the gun,

00:11:25.380 the gun can see you.

00:11:26.740 And it's not a conversation

00:11:28.580 I want to have

00:11:29.480 with my children,

00:11:30.160 but we go to

00:11:31.140 kosher supermarkets,

00:11:31.960 we go to kosher restaurants,

00:11:33.040 we go to synagogue,

00:11:33.980 and this is now a reality.

00:11:36.680 Yeah.

00:11:37.360 I mean,

00:11:38.420 I don't know,

00:11:38.740 I keep thinking about

00:11:39.700 my friend,

00:11:40.720 I mentioned him on the show

00:11:41.780 two weeks ago,

00:11:44.560 Elliot Steelman,

00:11:45.560 whose wife,

00:11:46.240 Jocelyn,

00:11:46.780 my friend,

00:11:47.840 died two weeks

00:11:49.400 before October 7th.

00:11:51.420 And it was

00:11:52.580 out of the blue,

00:11:53.880 we were all stunned,

00:11:54.760 she was only 46 years old,

00:11:56.340 and we went to their

00:11:57.400 synagogue on the

00:11:58.220 Upper West Side

00:11:58.860 to pay our respects.

00:12:01.220 And,

00:12:01.440 you know,

00:12:01.700 in the course of

00:12:02.300 a week or two,

00:12:03.660 this family has

00:12:04.560 lost their mother,

00:12:05.520 their wife,

00:12:06.460 and then this,

00:12:07.900 right?

00:12:08.060 It's a Jewish family,

00:12:08.720 it's just one example,

00:12:09.500 but it's a Jewish family

00:12:10.280 living on the Upper West Side

00:12:11.300 that now has to go to synagogue.

00:12:13.000 This poor Elliot's

00:12:13.740 got two young boys,

00:12:15.000 he's got to take them

00:12:15.680 to the Upper West Side

00:12:16.460 synagogue that they go to,

00:12:17.600 Rodef Shalom,

00:12:18.680 and they have to worry

00:12:20.080 about this too.

00:12:21.480 Yeah,

00:12:21.740 and now,

00:12:22.120 I mean,

00:12:22.360 now they,

00:12:22.900 they have to worry about this.

00:12:25.020 Yeah,

00:12:25.280 Rodef always had security.

00:12:27.360 I went there,

00:12:28.180 I've gone there for 20 years,

00:12:29.380 I have family that went to Rodef.

00:12:30.900 All major synagogues 1.00

00:12:32.320 have always had security,

00:12:33.380 but the difference

00:12:34.940 in the last week

00:12:36.060 is really significant

00:12:38.140 because we,

00:12:39.940 I mean,

00:12:40.420 I don't really want to get

00:12:41.600 into like an immigration

00:12:42.280 conversation,

00:12:43.020 but our border

00:12:44.600 is not so great

00:12:46.400 and not so secure,

00:12:48.440 and it's not just

00:12:50.240 people coming in

00:12:51.280 from the southern border

00:12:52.380 through that entry point.

00:12:54.820 And,

00:12:55.300 you know,

00:12:55.800 I think that Americans

00:12:56.940 who think that this is

00:12:58.380 Israel's problem 1.00

00:12:59.180 are naive.

00:13:00.960 Right,

00:13:01.440 I mean,

00:13:01.980 what are those people

00:13:02.680 going to do,

00:13:03.240 Carol?

00:13:03.720 God forbid.

00:13:04.680 Yeah,

00:13:04.860 I was just going to say,

00:13:05.380 what are those people

00:13:05.720 going to do?

00:13:06.080 God forbid.

00:13:06.860 You know,

00:13:07.040 we've seen a long history,

00:13:08.060 those of us who aren't 20

00:13:09.620 in America

00:13:11.000 of domestic terror attacks.

00:13:13.240 You know,

00:13:13.400 ISIS coming up, 0.81

00:13:14.240 we've seen them

00:13:14.820 in place to place.

00:13:16.620 And what's to say

00:13:17.540 that,

00:13:17.940 you know,

00:13:18.180 some of these Hamas militants

00:13:19.300 or their sympathizers

00:13:20.060 aren't going to start this?

00:13:20.960 This is a real concern

00:13:22.380 given the amount

00:13:23.120 of Jew hatred

00:13:24.260 we're seeing

00:13:24.780 on open display

00:13:25.760 across the world

00:13:26.860 and in our own country.

00:13:28.020 Go ahead.

00:13:29.220 Yeah,

00:13:29.400 so what I was going to say

00:13:30.200 was,

00:13:30.520 you know,

00:13:30.920 the people who are thinking

00:13:32.100 that,

00:13:32.680 oh,

00:13:33.260 anybody's,

00:13:34.220 you know,

00:13:35.340 cheering on war

00:13:36.340 with Iran

00:13:36.940 or wanting America

00:13:37.860 to get involved,

00:13:38.700 my personal policy preferences

00:13:40.380 in America

00:13:40.820 does not get involved.

00:13:42.120 I think in a lot of ways

00:13:43.500 America will hold back

00:13:44.700 Israel from what

00:13:45.460 it needs to do.

00:13:46.300 I think we're sort of

00:13:47.040 seeing that right now

00:13:47.940 with the Biden visit.

00:13:49.640 But beyond that,

00:13:50.940 my policy concerns

00:13:52.180 are in America

00:13:53.220 and they are things

00:13:54.760 like the border

00:13:55.460 and they are things

00:13:56.320 like our lax immigration 0.94

00:13:57.420 policies and they are

00:13:58.840 things like we're not

00:13:59.980 allowed to question

00:14:01.420 any of that.

00:14:02.340 You're racist

00:14:03.140 if you say that

00:14:03.980 our border might lead

00:14:05.300 us to having

00:14:05.900 terrorist attacks,

00:14:06.860 but that's exactly

00:14:07.760 what the concern

00:14:08.540 should be.

00:14:10.500 I just,

00:14:11.440 the idea that

00:14:12.320 we're pushing

00:14:13.280 any other kind

00:14:14.200 of policy

00:14:14.720 other than really

00:14:15.500 a very pro-America,

00:14:17.340 American security

00:14:18.660 policy is ridiculous.

00:14:20.560 And that's really

00:14:22.000 what I wanted

00:14:22.760 to add to that.

00:14:24.500 I mean,

00:14:24.780 Joe Biden has sent

00:14:25.680 two aircraft carriers

00:14:26.700 there to the Mediterranean

00:14:27.920 as a threat to Iran 0.96

00:14:29.220 and Hezbollah.

00:14:30.160 It's basically

00:14:30.900 the military

00:14:32.620 incarnation of

00:14:33.820 don't,

00:14:34.860 what he said on camera

00:14:35.680 the other day,

00:14:36.420 don't,

00:14:37.260 don't think about it.

00:14:38.040 And actually,

00:14:38.680 it's a really interesting,

00:14:40.160 I mean,

00:14:40.500 it's awful,

00:14:41.620 but it's an interesting

00:14:42.280 question about whether

00:14:43.340 that signal

00:14:45.720 and warning,

00:14:47.280 which is effectively

00:14:48.080 deterrence,

00:14:49.220 is going to hold.

00:14:50.480 Is it going to work?

00:14:52.040 You know,

00:14:52.280 where,

00:14:52.500 where are,

00:14:53.940 are people afraid of us?

00:14:55.440 Do they respect us still?

00:14:57.080 I mean,

00:14:57.860 we still are the United

00:14:59.040 States of America.

00:15:00.180 We still have the biggest

00:15:00.980 and best military

00:15:01.700 in the world.

00:15:03.060 Does Iran believe 0.96

00:15:04.040 that this president

00:15:04.720 would actually unleash it

00:15:06.000 if they got involved?

00:15:08.260 You know,

00:15:08.500 there are reports now

00:15:09.100 that Hezbollah 0.98

00:15:09.700 is just waiting to see

00:15:11.180 whether Israel

00:15:11.820 does the ground invasion.

00:15:13.340 Before it does get involved

00:15:14.940 and it ignores the don't.

00:15:16.560 All those things

00:15:17.180 where you're going to have

00:15:17.860 to watch in coming days.

00:15:18.940 Go ahead,

00:15:19.180 Bethany.

00:15:19.600 Yeah,

00:15:20.080 we just saw 30 rockets

00:15:21.500 come in from Lebanon.

00:15:22.580 I don't think they're waiting

00:15:23.520 for this potential

00:15:24.700 ground invasion.

00:15:25.780 It seems like

00:15:26.920 in the last hour,

00:15:28.460 Lebanon has decided

00:15:29.500 to take a really

00:15:30.660 aggressive stance.

00:15:32.180 And I,

00:15:32.840 I have people

00:15:33.720 on the ground

00:15:34.480 in Lebanon

00:15:35.020 or on the ground

00:15:36.680 on the border

00:15:37.200 with Lebanon.

00:15:37.900 I have friends

00:15:38.440 who are serving the IDF

00:15:39.720 and they know

00:15:40.740 that I work in media

00:15:41.580 and I'm getting messages

00:15:42.440 from them like,

00:15:43.780 stuff's getting real

00:15:45.080 right over here.

00:15:46.300 Like,

00:15:46.920 I'm getting those messages

00:15:47.940 in the last half hour.

00:15:50.300 That's not good.

00:15:51.340 Nobody wants another

00:15:52.300 front to open up.

00:15:53.400 And meanwhile,

00:15:53.860 can we just,

00:15:54.400 because you mentioned

00:15:54.820 you have friends,

00:15:56.200 one of my friends

00:15:58.480 was telling me yesterday,

00:15:59.560 a Jewish man

00:16:00.340 who lives here

00:16:00.920 who's got relatives

00:16:01.780 in Israel,

00:16:03.000 you got to think about

00:16:04.960 who's getting called up,

00:16:06.200 right?

00:16:06.460 Like,

00:16:06.680 who's getting called up?

00:16:07.760 Like,

00:16:08.340 most of these people,

00:16:09.120 yes,

00:16:09.280 you have to serve

00:16:09.720 in the Israeli military

00:16:10.760 for two years,

00:16:11.580 right?

00:16:12.060 If you're in Israel.

00:16:13.280 But,

00:16:13.520 you know,

00:16:13.940 then you go on

00:16:14.480 and you kind of

00:16:14.860 live your life.

00:16:15.620 You know,

00:16:15.740 you kind of become

00:16:16.200 a civilian.

00:16:17.140 Yes,

00:16:17.300 you continue training

00:16:18.140 and so on,

00:16:18.800 but these aren't

00:16:20.140 necessarily warriors,

00:16:21.720 you know?

00:16:22.500 And some are,

00:16:23.500 but a lot aren't.

00:16:24.680 And some of these kids

00:16:25.620 who are in,

00:16:26.240 who are doing their service

00:16:26.940 now are,

00:16:27.420 what,

00:16:27.700 19?

00:16:28.720 And I realize

00:16:29.420 this is the average age

00:16:30.240 of a soldier

00:16:30.660 who died in World War II,

00:16:32.240 stormed the beaches

00:16:32.900 at Normandy.

00:16:33.960 I would submit

00:16:34.840 for the record,

00:16:35.300 those guys

00:16:35.800 were a lot more mature

00:16:36.880 than today's 19-year-olds are.

00:16:38.900 We've been infantilizing

00:16:39.820 a whole generation.

00:16:41.240 But,

00:16:41.480 Carol,

00:16:41.720 you do have to think

00:16:42.660 about the humanity

00:16:43.340 of those who are,

00:16:44.220 I realize we're like

00:16:44.860 about 1,300,000 Israeli,

00:16:46.560 you know,

00:16:47.080 defense forces

00:16:47.620 are amassing now.

00:16:49.360 I feel for them

00:16:50.760 because these are not

00:16:51.620 necessarily the most

00:16:52.520 grizzled soldier,

00:16:53.920 Navy SEALs,

00:16:55.040 you know,

00:16:55.580 some of them are,

00:16:56.300 but a lot of them aren't.

00:16:57.880 And just the perspective,

00:16:59.840 I think,

00:17:00.120 of Israelis is,

00:17:01.100 Israelis love life.

00:17:02.460 They want to live

00:17:03.380 their lives.

00:17:04.040 They do not want

00:17:04.880 to be in constant war.

00:17:06.500 They do not want

00:17:07.360 to destroy anybody.

00:17:08.880 I think,

00:17:09.320 like,

00:17:09.620 you know,

00:17:09.880 the idea that

00:17:11.000 is being spread

00:17:12.100 on social media

00:17:12.880 right now,

00:17:13.460 that Israeli response 0.81

00:17:14.860 should be proportionate

00:17:16.100 and whatever,

00:17:16.820 they're saying that

00:17:17.520 because Israel

00:17:18.120 obviously could level

00:17:19.320 Gaza tomorrow

00:17:20.140 and call it a day,

00:17:21.220 but they would never

00:17:21.980 do that.

00:17:22.700 They love life.

00:17:24.180 And the idea

00:17:25.400 that these,

00:17:26.140 you know,

00:17:26.660 people in their late teens

00:17:27.920 who we would consider

00:17:29.020 children when they're

00:17:30.040 screaming pro-Hamas 0.96

00:17:31.460 comments on

00:17:32.480 American campuses,

00:17:34.040 are going to go off

00:17:35.320 to war.

00:17:35.920 Of course,

00:17:36.320 that's so difficult

00:17:37.280 for Israelis

00:17:37.960 to wrap their minds

00:17:38.820 around.

00:17:39.600 They do have

00:17:40.520 a good military,

00:17:41.380 but they were always

00:17:41.960 hoping not to have

00:17:43.020 to use it.

00:17:44.780 And yeah,

00:17:45.220 you're right,

00:17:45.680 like the people

00:17:46.180 that are being called up,

00:17:47.100 but so many people

00:17:47.800 are volunteering

00:17:48.500 because they know

00:17:49.480 that this is

00:17:50.500 a life and death

00:17:51.240 situation

00:17:51.800 for them individually,

00:17:53.200 but also for Israel

00:17:54.260 as a whole.

00:17:55.000 Israel cannot continue 1.00

00:17:56.280 to allow this

00:17:57.120 to go on.

00:17:58.000 They cannot continue

00:17:58.820 to allow Hamas 0.99

00:17:59.580 to exist.

00:18:00.120 They took 200

00:18:01.520 people from Israel

00:18:02.900 as, you know,

00:18:04.400 the terrorists

00:18:04.840 took them to Gaza

00:18:05.660 and very little

00:18:07.340 is being said

00:18:07.940 about that

00:18:08.420 throughout the world.

00:18:09.320 Israel notices

00:18:10.120 that they can't

00:18:11.120 allow this to continue.

00:18:12.520 They can't allow

00:18:13.200 these people

00:18:13.740 to continue

00:18:14.200 to operate

00:18:14.840 right next to them.

00:18:16.120 It just,

00:18:16.740 it's something

00:18:17.720 that's absolutely

00:18:18.460 necessary at this

00:18:19.520 point for them

00:18:20.120 to have to handle.

00:18:21.840 Now,

00:18:22.440 these families

00:18:22.880 in Israel,

00:18:23.660 many of whom

00:18:24.500 have lost someone

00:18:25.640 in this attack

00:18:26.540 on 10-7

00:18:27.200 or who know

00:18:28.500 a family

00:18:29.480 that's lost somebody.

00:18:30.640 I mean,

00:18:30.760 it's a very close,

00:18:31.880 small country.

00:18:33.380 Now,

00:18:34.400 now they have

00:18:34.940 their sons going off

00:18:35.780 or their daughters

00:18:36.200 going off,

00:18:36.760 like,

00:18:37.360 at very real risk

00:18:39.180 of peril

00:18:39.720 and loss of life

00:18:41.140 in what is going

00:18:41.920 to look more

00:18:42.440 like Fallujah

00:18:43.300 if they start

00:18:44.860 this ground invasion.

00:18:46.100 You know,

00:18:46.240 I mean,

00:18:46.460 it's going to be

00:18:47.200 hand-to-hand

00:18:48.180 urban warfare

00:18:49.640 that was tough

00:18:50.620 even for our best

00:18:51.820 and most grizzled

00:18:53.020 soldiers,

00:18:53.620 Bethany.

00:18:54.200 Yeah.

00:18:54.320 I mean,

00:18:55.000 it's not just

00:18:55.720 their sons and daughters,

00:18:56.800 it's their husbands.

00:18:57.880 I mean,

00:18:58.340 I'm just going to

00:18:59.100 give you one example.

00:18:59.920 My friend Gabe

00:19:00.580 is my age.

00:19:01.400 I'm 37 years old.

00:19:02.960 He has three children

00:19:03.960 and his wife

00:19:04.580 is a photographer

00:19:05.260 and he works

00:19:05.980 in marketing.

00:19:06.800 He's on the front lines

00:19:07.920 right now

00:19:08.340 and it's really scary.

00:19:09.520 I was just getting

00:19:10.160 voice memos for him.

00:19:11.380 So,

00:19:11.680 when you think about

00:19:12.560 the Israeli,

00:19:13.540 you know,

00:19:14.020 nation

00:19:14.480 and the economy,

00:19:15.920 everything has

00:19:16.540 ground to a halt

00:19:17.320 because every single man

00:19:19.200 is pretty much

00:19:20.200 in a uniform right now

00:19:21.240 and so

00:19:21.660 the offices are empty,

00:19:23.420 the restaurants

00:19:23.920 aren't doing delivery.

00:19:24.940 Like,

00:19:25.340 it is all hands

00:19:26.620 on deck right now

00:19:27.580 in Israel

00:19:28.000 and the people,

00:19:29.040 I mean,

00:19:29.280 no one wants

00:19:30.120 to be doing this.

00:19:30.800 No one wants

00:19:31.360 to take off

00:19:32.020 and,

00:19:32.660 you know,

00:19:32.900 my friends

00:19:33.680 are doing FaceTime

00:19:34.900 calls with their husbands

00:19:35.940 and,

00:19:36.900 you know,

00:19:37.380 there was a beautiful

00:19:38.420 one of a soldier

00:19:40.080 who was naming

00:19:41.940 his baby

00:19:42.580 at his bris

00:19:43.280 on FaceTime

00:19:44.760 because he couldn't

00:19:45.740 be at his son's bris.

00:19:47.280 There are,

00:19:47.900 I mean,

00:19:48.160 there are weddings

00:19:48.700 happening before

00:19:49.500 people are deployed.

00:19:50.300 I mean,

00:19:51.120 the Israeli public

00:19:53.160 do not want

00:19:53.960 to be doing this

00:19:54.600 but they need to,

00:19:55.860 they need to,

00:19:56.620 they understand

00:19:57.240 that they need to

00:19:58.000 because Hamas 0.73

00:19:59.280 is an existential threat

00:20:00.520 to everyone's safety

00:20:01.680 and they're holding

00:20:02.820 200 Israelis hostage,

00:20:04.540 women, 1.00

00:20:04.960 children,

00:20:05.420 babies.

00:20:06.060 There's a nine-month-old

00:20:07.420 that no one knows

00:20:08.800 what's going on

00:20:09.600 and I want everyone

00:20:10.860 to just stop

00:20:11.640 for a moment

00:20:12.120 and think that

00:20:12.680 there are 200 people,

00:20:14.980 women and children, 0.97

00:20:16.200 who are in the hands

00:20:17.380 of Hamas

00:20:17.960 and listen back

00:20:20.840 to that first

00:20:21.900 five minutes

00:20:22.440 of your show

00:20:23.000 and remember

00:20:23.600 what they did

00:20:24.400 to people

00:20:24.780 before they killed them.

00:20:26.280 Those demons

00:20:27.600 have 200 people

00:20:29.320 for the last 13 days.

00:20:31.120 What is happening

00:20:31.860 to them?

00:20:32.620 I don't even want

00:20:33.560 to imagine

00:20:34.140 and that is why

00:20:35.600 this is a crisis

00:20:37.240 and why everyone

00:20:38.460 has responded

00:20:39.200 because it is

00:20:40.340 a country

00:20:40.940 the size of New Jersey.

00:20:42.720 Everyone knows

00:20:43.400 someone who is dead

00:20:44.120 or missing

00:20:44.480 and they understand

00:20:45.380 it could be them

00:20:46.140 it could be

00:20:46.460 their children

00:20:46.940 and they have

00:20:47.960 to get them

00:20:48.420 back right now.

00:20:50.160 I mean,

00:20:50.940 just the horrors

00:20:51.960 of murdering women

00:20:54.120 and then posting

00:20:55.880 the murders

00:20:56.320 on the Facebook pages

00:20:57.540 and then sending

00:20:59.480 the message to...

00:20:59.900 Cutting women open 1.00

00:21:00.580 and stabbing 0.60

00:21:01.720 their fetuses. 0.52

00:21:02.500 Like, it's...

00:21:03.020 It's beyond horrific.

00:21:05.860 It's the worst stuff.

00:21:07.380 You couldn't even

00:21:07.900 conjure it up.

00:21:08.620 It's Nazi-level 0.86

00:21:09.520 cruelty,

00:21:10.980 torture,

00:21:11.780 and inhumanity.

00:21:13.640 100%.

00:21:14.160 I mean,

00:21:14.380 some of the stuff

00:21:14.900 the Nazis 0.71

00:21:15.280 didn't even think of.

00:21:16.900 So it's...

00:21:17.600 I don't understand

00:21:18.300 these people

00:21:18.780 even as human.

00:21:19.600 I really don't.

00:21:20.360 You could say

00:21:20.820 I'm trying to dehumanize them.

00:21:21.960 I would say

00:21:22.320 they did it to themselves.

00:21:24.480 So what do we make,

00:21:26.020 then, Carol,

00:21:26.560 of this 100 million

00:21:27.680 because we're gonna give it...

00:21:29.660 I mean,

00:21:30.280 truly,

00:21:30.700 as I said in the intro,

00:21:32.200 oh, okay,

00:21:32.900 so he's got a finger wagging.

00:21:34.380 You better not let Hamas 1.00

00:21:35.400 have any of this 100 million.

00:21:37.080 This is for aid

00:21:38.020 for the innocent Palestinians

00:21:39.680 who are there,

00:21:40.340 and there are some innocents.

00:21:42.860 But, you know,

00:21:43.660 you better make sure

00:21:44.400 that Hamas does it. 0.93

00:21:45.200 If Hamas gets it, 0.98

00:21:46.580 you're in a lot of trouble.

00:21:47.880 I can see why

00:21:48.680 the families of the hostages

00:21:49.660 are saying,

00:21:50.520 what about them?

00:21:51.660 Why weren't they even discussed?

00:21:52.980 You know,

00:21:53.240 maybe something was happening

00:21:54.080 behind the scenes.

00:21:56.120 Maybe.

00:21:56.720 Maybe it was.

00:21:57.460 I find it very hard

00:21:58.420 to trust the Joe Biden administration.

00:22:00.220 He goes to Israel 0.85

00:22:01.140 and he jokes

00:22:01.720 that the Palestinians

00:22:02.540 need to learn

00:22:03.300 how to shoot straight.

00:22:04.680 And that 100 million

00:22:05.860 for Palestinian civilians

00:22:06.960 is absolutely going

00:22:08.900 to be stolen by Hamas.

00:22:10.740 Hamas has posted videos

00:22:12.260 of them removing water pipes

00:22:14.640 and turning it

00:22:15.220 into rocket launchers.

00:22:16.760 It's not us

00:22:17.880 or any, you know,

00:22:18.840 Western or anybody

00:22:19.740 saying this.

00:22:20.480 It's themselves

00:22:21.100 posting this online

00:22:22.920 and showing their work.

00:22:25.040 And yet we're giving them

00:22:26.100 $100 million

00:22:26.640 to just do more of this.

00:22:28.280 I really feel like

00:22:29.080 I'm on blue with this.

00:22:30.220 It's just,

00:22:31.060 it's such a crazy thing

00:22:32.500 for America and Israel to do. 0.52

00:22:34.180 And I don't believe

00:22:36.000 that President Biden

00:22:37.160 even once mentioned

00:22:38.580 the hostages.

00:22:39.320 And there's,

00:22:39.640 I think,

00:22:39.820 17 Americans being held

00:22:41.460 of that 200

00:22:42.440 hasn't said a word

00:22:44.020 about them

00:22:44.640 while he was in Israel.

00:22:46.000 I don't know

00:22:46.340 what his speech tonight

00:22:47.360 is going to be,

00:22:48.160 but I have just

00:22:49.820 very low expectations

00:22:51.500 for this administration

00:22:52.400 and they don't even clear

00:22:54.140 that expectation generally.

00:22:56.540 Yeah,

00:22:57.140 I think he made

00:22:57.900 a passing reference

00:22:59.040 and then later

00:22:59.780 when he was asked,

00:23:00.540 you know,

00:23:00.680 what's going to happen

00:23:01.100 with the hostages?

00:23:01.820 He said,

00:23:02.640 you know,

00:23:02.920 I'm hopeful

00:23:04.200 that we can get them back.

00:23:05.820 So it's possible

00:23:06.920 we have something.

00:23:08.040 There was speculation

00:23:08.660 that,

00:23:09.660 and I think a Hamas leader

00:23:11.140 had suggested

00:23:11.820 that they were going to release

00:23:13.260 all the civilian hostages

00:23:14.640 just as long as Israel 0.99

00:23:15.740 stopped bombing.

00:23:16.720 So Israel needs to stop 0.99

00:23:17.680 in its retaliation.

00:23:19.160 You know,

00:23:19.480 it's exacting of justice

00:23:21.120 and security of its own,

00:23:22.860 securing of its own safety.

00:23:24.160 And then it can have back

00:23:25.500 just the hostages.

00:23:26.680 That'll be the deal,

00:23:27.840 which Israel's never 0.75

00:23:28.880 going to agree to.

00:23:30.100 And then there was

00:23:30.720 some speculation

00:23:31.240 that perhaps Joe Biden

00:23:32.380 had struck a deal

00:23:33.300 or Blinken had struck a deal

00:23:34.540 for the release,

00:23:35.500 at least of the Americans.

00:23:36.640 And he was going to go over there

00:23:38.100 and meet with the Arabs

00:23:38.760 and say,

00:23:39.220 see, look,

00:23:39.520 I've gotten the Americans back 1.00

00:23:40.820 because I do think Hamas knows 0.96

00:23:42.340 if you kill the Americans, 0.78

00:23:43.280 you start putting out

00:23:43.940 those little videos

00:23:44.580 that you promised

00:23:45.240 of murdering Americans on TV.

00:23:47.460 It's a different ballgame.

00:23:49.060 It's a fucking different ballgame.

00:23:49.240 I hope so.

00:23:50.120 I don't know.

00:23:51.840 I really do hope so.

00:23:52.980 And the thing is,

00:23:53.680 look,

00:23:53.920 I'm a conservative.

00:23:54.920 I didn't vote for Joe Biden,

00:23:57.060 but of course,

00:23:57.580 I'm rooting for him.

00:23:58.400 Of course,

00:23:58.800 I'm rooting for him

00:23:59.480 to do the right thing

00:24:00.420 and say the right words

00:24:01.460 and have action

00:24:02.840 that brings home

00:24:03.720 these American Americans

00:24:05.280 being held hostage.

00:24:06.740 But I just don't see that.

00:24:08.400 I feel like I'm again,

00:24:10.200 if I'm wrong,

00:24:11.160 I'll be so happy to be wrong.

00:24:13.000 I would love to see

00:24:13.840 this administration step up

00:24:15.360 and show some strength

00:24:16.380 and really get those Americans

00:24:18.200 out of there

00:24:18.700 and do the right thing.

00:24:19.640 But I just I see chaos

00:24:21.460 and I don't see them,

00:24:23.220 you know,

00:24:23.840 putting their acts together at all.

00:24:26.060 I said, Bethany,

00:24:27.340 is that the IDF

00:24:28.140 is probably better positioned

00:24:29.060 to get those hostages

00:24:29.880 out of there than anybody,

00:24:30.860 even our guys,

00:24:31.480 because they're just

00:24:31.920 much more familiar

00:24:32.840 with this kind of operation there.

00:24:34.880 Yeah, I mean,

00:24:35.360 I've I've I would push back

00:24:36.800 a little bit on the

00:24:37.800 I can't believe

00:24:38.720 I'm saying this on your show.

00:24:40.020 I will push back

00:24:41.440 a little bit

00:24:41.920 on the negativity

00:24:42.620 about Joe Biden.

00:24:43.780 I like those words flowed.

00:24:46.040 But I've spoken to family.

00:24:48.020 I don't I never thought

00:24:49.500 this would happen,

00:24:50.180 but here we are.

00:24:51.440 I've spoken to families

00:24:52.640 who have met with Biden

00:24:54.020 and met with Blinken

00:24:54.960 and they're they're actually

00:24:56.220 they're happy

00:24:57.100 with how how they're

00:24:58.420 being messaged to

00:24:59.540 and they're happy

00:25:00.220 with the stance

00:25:01.520 that the Biden administration

00:25:02.460 is taking.

00:25:03.880 And I think that there's

00:25:05.260 things happening

00:25:05.960 behind the scenes

00:25:07.180 that are making them

00:25:09.100 feel that way.

00:25:09.720 And I one family told me,

00:25:11.120 I think he's a total POS

00:25:12.360 and I didn't vote for him.

00:25:14.020 But I think that he's

00:25:16.240 taking this seriously enough.

00:25:17.280 I mean, that conversation

00:25:18.440 that he had on Air Force One,

00:25:20.140 I think that we can all

00:25:21.060 just be honest

00:25:21.680 that he's a few fries

00:25:22.920 short of a happy meal.

00:25:23.920 He talks and it doesn't

00:25:26.680 always make sense

00:25:27.720 because he's very elderly.

00:25:30.000 I don't think that

00:25:31.820 I'm trying to be as nice

00:25:33.600 as I can here.

00:25:35.440 That got even out of

00:25:36.520 a fine and laughing

00:25:37.340 over.

00:25:39.360 But.

00:25:40.800 The few fries

00:25:42.240 short of a happy meal

00:25:43.100 situation is what it is.

00:25:44.960 We all are aware

00:25:45.680 it is what it is,

00:25:46.440 but I don't think

00:25:48.200 that that comment

00:25:49.060 is representative

00:25:49.800 of what's happening

00:25:50.940 behind the scenes

00:25:51.740 with people who are

00:25:52.800 totally with it.

00:25:54.860 And I am hopeful

00:25:56.840 that the Biden administration

00:25:58.160 is being as as good

00:26:02.560 behind the scenes

00:26:03.240 as I'm hearing from families,

00:26:05.020 some of whom are not fans.

00:26:07.420 I'm hoping the same.

00:26:08.660 I'll just play the comment

00:26:09.680 for those who haven't heard it.

00:26:11.200 This is Biden on Air Force One

00:26:12.280 on his flight back home

00:26:14.160 where he went to the back

00:26:15.300 of the plane

00:26:15.700 and started chatting

00:26:16.440 with reporters

00:26:17.120 to the extreme alarm

00:26:19.000 of Karine Jean-Pierre.

00:26:20.360 Here's the comment

00:26:22.340 about not shooting straight.

00:26:23.980 SOT 7.

00:26:27.460 I'm not suggesting

00:26:28.540 that Hamas 0.99

00:26:29.300 deliberately did it either.

00:26:31.660 It's that old thing.

00:26:32.500 Got to know how to shoot straight.

00:26:34.520 You know,

00:26:35.280 and it's not the first time

00:26:38.060 Hamas has 0.99

00:26:38.920 launched something

00:26:40.300 that didn't function

00:26:41.840 very well.

00:26:43.680 Okay,

00:26:44.280 so that was the comment.

00:26:45.180 But let me play the comment

00:26:46.020 about getting the hostages out,

00:26:47.580 which I did find interesting

00:26:48.520 because that was the point

00:26:49.340 at which KJP

00:26:50.720 really was like,

00:26:52.080 it's a wrap.

00:26:52.940 And it led me to wonder

00:26:54.040 whether he had revealed

00:26:55.140 something he shouldn't have.

00:26:56.440 It's SOT 9.

00:26:59.000 What about getting people out?

00:27:00.640 We're going to get people out,

00:27:04.940 and I'm not going to

00:27:05.680 let any detail with you now.

00:27:07.060 All right,

00:27:07.260 we got to wrap up, guys.

00:27:08.480 We got to wrap it up.

00:27:09.120 We're going to get people out,

00:27:12.780 but I can't give you

00:27:13.500 the details now.

00:27:14.260 So that,

00:27:15.060 I don't know, Carol,

00:27:15.820 that sounded to me

00:27:16.560 like he might know something.

00:27:18.000 It was more definitive

00:27:19.640 than I would have expected.

00:27:21.320 I hope so.

00:27:22.340 Again,

00:27:22.800 nobody's rooting for Joe Biden

00:27:24.700 more than I am right now.

00:27:26.460 But I just,

00:27:27.840 again,

00:27:28.560 I feel like I wish

00:27:29.540 I had more faith

00:27:30.420 in this administration.

00:27:32.280 Somebody posted,

00:27:33.240 you know,

00:27:33.480 about the Iranian hostages

00:27:35.040 in the late 70s

00:27:36.100 and the way that

00:27:36.680 it was on TV 24-7

00:27:39.100 all the time

00:27:39.960 and the administration

00:27:41.080 was just talking about it

00:27:42.220 all the time

00:27:42.720 and even though

00:27:43.460 the Carter administration

00:27:44.360 ultimately, you know,

00:27:45.220 failed at getting them out.

00:27:46.560 But it was a big deal

00:27:48.120 and this just seems like

00:27:49.400 not as big a deal,

00:27:51.020 which is crazy to me

00:27:52.060 because they have,

00:27:53.260 you know,

00:27:53.780 potentially up to 20 Americans there.

00:27:56.460 I think of number 17,

00:27:57.900 but,

00:27:58.140 and it's not

00:27:59.640 a wall-to-wall topic

00:28:01.280 and it's not constantly

00:28:02.580 being talked about

00:28:03.800 to the administration.

00:28:05.020 So I'd love

00:28:06.680 to see them succeed,

00:28:07.660 obviously,

00:28:08.340 and I will praise them

00:28:09.240 if they do.

00:28:10.440 Even by our own lawmakers.

00:28:12.720 Yeah.

00:28:13.020 I've heard a lot of doom

00:28:14.020 and gloom

00:28:14.340 from people thinking

00:28:15.280 that they're all dead

00:28:16.080 and I think that

00:28:16.620 that's part of

00:28:17.620 why people are not

00:28:18.820 speaking out the way they are.

00:28:20.400 But again,

00:28:20.920 I've heard directly

00:28:21.720 from a family

00:28:22.360 that they have had

00:28:23.420 confirmation from the IDF

00:28:25.000 that their family members

00:28:25.980 are alive.

00:28:26.680 So anyone listening

00:28:28.340 who thinks they're all dead,

00:28:29.600 they are not.

00:28:30.660 Like,

00:28:30.880 there is hope

00:28:31.660 and there is purpose here

00:28:32.980 and the purpose

00:28:33.480 is getting as many people

00:28:34.660 at home as possible.

00:28:36.120 I'm sure that Hamas 1.00

00:28:37.320 is prioritizing

00:28:38.800 their staying alive

00:28:41.700 because they're

00:28:43.320 the most effective

00:28:43.960 human shields Hamas has,

00:28:45.380 the most effective

00:28:45.960 bargaining pieces Hamas has.

00:28:48.280 So it's not that

00:28:49.000 they care at all

00:28:49.640 about the Israeli lives,

00:28:50.700 it's just that

00:28:51.300 they're useful right now.

00:28:53.780 Can I ask you,

00:28:54.440 Carol,

00:28:55.200 because this is the thing

00:28:56.020 that is bothering me

00:28:57.240 and I too,

00:28:57.800 and I said this

00:28:58.220 on the show yesterday,

00:28:58.980 I am rooting

00:28:59.420 for our president,

00:29:00.320 I'm rooting for

00:29:00.820 our secretary of state

00:29:01.760 to navigate

00:29:03.140 this enormous challenge

00:29:04.760 as effectively

00:29:05.540 as they can.

00:29:07.260 But I'm also

00:29:08.140 very conscious

00:29:08.680 of the fact that,

00:29:10.080 let's face it,

00:29:11.060 the Biden policies

00:29:12.080 helped get us here.

00:29:12.980 They helped get us here.

00:29:14.220 And I know

00:29:14.700 that you've been

00:29:15.080 doing reporting

00:29:15.660 on the money

00:29:16.780 that we've been funneling

00:29:18.500 to the Palestinians

00:29:20.840 directly in contrast

00:29:23.060 to what Trump did.

00:29:24.540 You know,

00:29:24.700 I mean,

00:29:24.960 Trump,

00:29:26.240 it's,

00:29:26.660 again,

00:29:26.940 you know,

00:29:27.220 this is like

00:29:27.900 the thing about Trump,

00:29:29.100 the mean tweets

00:29:30.100 and the weird things

00:29:30.960 he says.

00:29:31.940 And yet,

00:29:33.240 just explain to the audience

00:29:34.280 what he did

00:29:35.160 when it came to

00:29:35.940 Palestinian aid

00:29:36.640 when he got in there

00:29:37.340 and what Joe Biden did.

00:29:39.220 Yeah.

00:29:39.560 Well,

00:29:39.860 that's the whole thing,

00:29:40.760 right?

00:29:41.060 It's like Joe Biden

00:29:42.340 was supposed to be

00:29:43.040 the serious guy

00:29:44.040 after the mean tweets,

00:29:45.800 you know,

00:29:45.980 Trump guy.

00:29:46.860 And he's so much

00:29:48.400 less serious to me.

00:29:49.740 I think that,

00:29:50.720 look,

00:29:50.920 whatever you think

00:29:51.540 of Donald Trump,

00:29:52.320 he had people around him

00:29:53.700 giving him really good advice

00:29:55.340 and the cutting off

00:29:56.640 the funding

00:29:57.140 to Palestinians,

00:29:58.320 to the,

00:29:58.640 you know,

00:29:58.820 to the Gaza Strip,

00:30:00.540 it helped.

00:30:01.680 It helped contain them

00:30:02.880 for a while.

00:30:03.920 I think that what

00:30:04.820 we're seeing right now

00:30:06.020 is just capitulation.

00:30:07.820 And again,

00:30:09.020 if this money ends up

00:30:10.560 somehow helping the Gazans

00:30:12.660 and freeing the hostages

00:30:14.080 and all of that,

00:30:15.580 I will be the first

00:30:16.760 to celebrate it.

00:30:17.680 It is not because

00:30:18.900 Joe Biden has a D

00:30:20.120 after his name

00:30:20.860 that I don't like it.

00:30:22.160 I don't like it

00:30:22.720 because I think

00:30:23.280 that all of this money

00:30:24.140 is just going to go

00:30:25.200 to further terrorize Israelis, 0.89

00:30:27.320 further terrorize

00:30:28.180 all people

00:30:29.160 in that region

00:30:30.200 who don't abide

00:30:31.200 by the Hamas code.

00:30:33.340 And I don't see

00:30:34.360 how it doesn't end up

00:30:35.620 in Hamas hands.

00:30:36.520 They keep telling us

00:30:37.540 that they do everything.

00:30:37.740 The UN is going to oversee it,

00:30:39.100 Carol.

00:30:39.400 The UN is,

00:30:40.580 I'm sure,

00:30:41.180 they're going to help

00:30:41.620 oversee it.

00:30:43.100 Fear not.

00:30:44.360 Right.

00:30:45.280 Yeah,

00:30:45.700 the UN,

00:30:46.340 they're going to be right on it,

00:30:47.800 I'm sure.

00:30:48.640 The UN also loses

00:30:49.980 millions of dollars

00:30:50.880 every year.

00:30:51.500 Like,

00:30:51.660 where did it go?

00:30:52.260 I don't know.

00:30:53.600 And the UN hates Israel.

00:30:55.560 Yeah,

00:30:56.260 well,

00:30:56.520 that's for sure.

00:30:58.460 So,

00:30:59.020 yeah,

00:30:59.200 I don't have a lot of faith

00:31:00.160 that this money

00:31:00.760 is going to go

00:31:01.840 towards drinking water

00:31:03.380 or building up

00:31:04.800 their electricity grid

00:31:06.200 or anything like that.

00:31:07.460 It's going to be stolen

00:31:08.560 by Hamas

00:31:09.160 to use for bad ends.

00:31:11.180 You know,

00:31:11.840 Bethany,

00:31:12.180 there was this report

00:31:12.800 from Open the Books

00:31:13.680 that said

00:31:14.500 that outlaid

00:31:15.320 the numbers

00:31:16.040 pretty,

00:31:16.720 pretty strongly

00:31:17.960 saying they found

00:31:19.400 Biden administration

00:31:20.940 spent more than

00:31:21.560 one billion

00:31:22.320 from U.S. taxpayers

00:31:23.440 on quote aid

00:31:24.260 to Palestinians.

00:31:25.340 It's proposing

00:31:26.360 sending another

00:31:27.240 260 million

00:31:28.680 in its fiscal year

00:31:30.120 2024 budget request,

00:31:31.740 not yet approved

00:31:32.340 by Congress.

00:31:33.240 And they're talking

00:31:34.740 about how Trump

00:31:35.520 in August of 2018

00:31:36.860 imposed a freeze

00:31:38.940 on all of this.

00:31:40.880 The Wall Street Journal

00:31:42.500 praised the move

00:31:44.320 because they were saying

00:31:46.300 that Hamas 0.99

00:31:47.660 has what's known

00:31:48.620 as a pay

00:31:49.660 for slay

00:31:50.940 policy.

00:31:52.320 Actually,

00:31:52.860 the Wall Street Journal

00:31:53.340 had published this

00:31:53.960 a year before he did it,

00:31:55.000 where you get rewarded

00:31:57.060 as a Hamas fighter

00:31:58.760 for all the dead Jews 1.00

00:32:01.440 you can make happen.

00:32:03.420 And therefore,

00:32:04.040 you know,

00:32:04.240 we're giving this aid.

00:32:05.160 We've been under Biden

00:32:06.160 giving this aid

00:32:06.900 to quote the Palestinians,

00:32:08.920 which is kind of

00:32:09.580 pretending it's not

00:32:10.520 going to wind up

00:32:11.100 in Hamas's hands.

00:32:12.800 Yeah.

00:32:14.440 All of my niceness

00:32:15.640 about Joe Biden

00:32:16.360 from five minutes ago

00:32:17.380 is not here.

00:32:19.200 It's not present

00:32:19.980 on that.

00:32:20.760 It is disgusting

00:32:22.280 and it would be

00:32:23.480 awfully nice.

00:32:24.440 And I'm speaking

00:32:25.020 to the many Hill staffers

00:32:26.660 and members of Congress

00:32:28.140 who listen to your show.

00:32:29.440 It would be awfully nice

00:32:30.820 if Republicans

00:32:31.600 could get their act together

00:32:33.180 and have a Speaker

00:32:34.340 of the House

00:32:34.840 and be able to function

00:32:36.040 as adults

00:32:37.180 who run the legislature,

00:32:38.680 who control the purse strings,

00:32:39.940 to try to prevent

00:32:41.560 this from happening.

00:32:42.940 But, you know,

00:32:43.380 Nancy Mace has to show up 1.00

00:32:44.720 with an A on her shirt

00:32:45.980 and make a whole thing

00:32:46.820 about her.

00:32:47.720 And Matt Gaetz

00:32:48.600 has to stand up

00:32:49.540 and fundraise

00:32:50.160 off of his insolence.

00:32:51.900 Like,

00:32:52.420 it would be really nice

00:32:53.400 for the grown-ups

00:32:54.000 to be in charge

00:32:54.640 of the House again

00:32:56.000 so that we could

00:32:57.160 do something about it.

00:32:58.040 But, you know,

00:32:58.360 I guess that, like,

00:32:59.740 people care more

00:33:00.720 about becoming

00:33:01.900 a household name

00:33:02.760 than actually doing

00:33:03.800 their jobs

00:33:04.360 and serving the American people

00:33:05.680 and serving our interests.

00:33:06.720 But, you know,

00:33:08.060 if you decide

00:33:09.080 you want to actually

00:33:10.260 be grown-ups again,

00:33:11.780 maybe vote on a Speaker

00:33:13.180 and get this done.

00:33:15.900 Yeah.

00:33:16.540 We actually did

00:33:17.340 just hear this morning

00:33:18.140 that now Jim Jordan

00:33:19.040 says he's going to

00:33:19.720 support the temporary Speaker

00:33:22.600 staying as temporary Speaker.

00:33:25.040 Okay.

00:33:25.380 I mean, honestly,

00:33:26.240 like,

00:33:26.560 I haven't been covering

00:33:27.120 this much at all.

00:33:28.320 I couldn't give a shit.

00:33:29.100 I'm so pissed.

00:33:29.820 Like, they all suck.

00:33:30.580 I mean, this is why I get back

00:33:31.480 to me when you have a decision.

00:33:32.720 I don't respect any of you.

00:33:35.840 I can't stand you people.

00:33:37.560 You can't run, like,

00:33:39.320 a very simple body.

00:33:40.420 It's not like you're a senator.

00:33:41.400 You're really not even

00:33:41.980 that important.

00:33:42.880 You don't have

00:33:43.320 that many responsibilities.

00:33:44.620 All you have to do

00:33:45.120 is run for re-election

00:33:45.960 every two years.

00:33:47.060 I mean, really,

00:33:47.640 like, you can have

00:33:48.680 absolutely no education

00:33:50.300 and know nothing about life

00:33:51.920 and win a seat

00:33:52.860 in U.S. Congress.

00:33:53.880 Hi, Ilhan Omar.

00:33:55.100 Hi, Rashida Tlaib.

00:33:56.200 Hi, Cori Bush.

00:33:57.000 You may be the worst

00:33:57.620 of them all.

00:33:58.040 Just a stupido, okay?

00:33:59.880 So, I don't care.

00:34:01.300 Get your shit in order.

00:34:02.300 The Republicans,

00:34:02.960 just as bad, almost.

00:34:04.060 I wouldn't say just,

00:34:04.680 but almost as bad.

00:34:06.380 So, get back to me

00:34:07.240 when you have somebody.

00:34:08.220 Okay, that's my take.

00:34:10.340 More with Bethany and Carol

00:34:12.540 coming up right after this.

00:34:14.060 Don't go away.

00:34:19.020 So, there was an insurrection

00:34:20.360 on Capitol Hill yesterday.

00:34:23.260 By the Democrats' definition,

00:34:25.100 there was an insurrection

00:34:25.940 where a group of unruly protesters

00:34:28.200 stormed the Capitol,

00:34:30.480 interfering with legislative business,

00:34:32.320 and they were very pissed off 0.64

00:34:34.480 about Israel.

00:34:36.920 They're very,

00:34:37.780 they're not bad,

00:34:38.320 they're not mad

00:34:38.860 about the dead babies.

00:34:40.060 They're mad about

00:34:41.100 what's happening in Gaza.

00:34:43.500 And, of course,

00:34:44.420 Rashida Tlaib

00:34:45.140 was their leader,

00:34:47.040 encouraging them.

00:34:47.980 I'll show you a little bit

00:34:48.780 of the protest

00:34:49.400 and then we'll get to

00:34:49.960 what she said.

00:34:50.940 Here's Satu.

00:34:51.480 The CTB

00:35:07.980 Blood

00:35:09.220 Gaza lamp,

00:35:09.860 Gaza lamp,

00:35:10.140 Gaza lamp,

00:35:12.720 the

00:35:42.720 All right, you get the idea. I'm pretty sure that there are people serving prison terms right now

00:35:49.840 for the January 6th behavior that was less than that. There are guys in prison right now who did

00:35:55.040 less than that on January 6th who have had the book thrown at them. But I guess it's fine if

00:36:00.800 it's in the name of Palestinian rights. And remember how it was, well, Matt Gaetz, I think,

00:36:08.020 was one and also one of my favorite senators, Missouri Senator Josh. Why am I forgetting his

00:36:14.680 name right now? Holly. Hello. All I could think was H-O-L-L-Y and I knew it was wrong. H-A-W-L-E-Y.

00:36:21.280 Holly. I really like that guy. He got such shit for giving a thumbs up at some of the protesters

00:36:27.020 on Jerry's. I mean, it was like a story in all the new ideas of thumbs up. Rashida Tlaib was their

00:36:32.360 leader yesterday. She was their leader. She wanted more, more, more. Okay, we'll see what

00:36:39.100 happens to her. Pro tip, it'll be nothing. Here she was once again peddling disinformation about

00:36:46.640 that hospital bombing, which was done by Islamic Jihad, not Israel. Here she is refusing to accept

00:36:54.020 that fact. Continue to watch people think it's okay to bomb a hospital with children.

00:37:08.860 You know what's so hard sometimes is watching those videos and the people telling the kids

00:37:14.640 don't cry and like let them cry. And they're shaking and somebody, you know this, they keep

00:37:21.380 telling them not to cry in Arabic. They can cry. I can cry. We all can cry. If we're not 0.96

00:37:28.700 crying, something is wrong. And so I'm telling you right now, President Biden, not all America's

00:37:38.640 with you on this one. And you need to wake up and understand that. We are literally, literally

00:37:45.720 watching people commit suicide. We will remember this. But all of you, you need to know, I swear

00:37:53.600 to God, you are the right side of history. Wow. A lot of energy for the Palestinians. Don't 1.00

00:38:03.620 remember seeing that for the murdered children in Israel from her.

00:38:08.640 And does she care about the hospital bombing? You know, now that we know that it wasn't Israel, 0.66

00:38:13.480 of course she doesn't. And at that point, you know, we knew already. She continued to lie about 0.76

00:38:19.700 it. That's right. So, I mean, I see her and I see all those people in the Capitol as actors here

00:38:26.700 because they know what the truth is. They're trying to lie to us. And I really also think that people

00:38:31.600 like them are responsible in such a large way for what goes on in that region. The Palestinian 1.00

00:38:37.680 supporters in the West have done so much damage to the Palestinian cause. Do you remember when AOC 0.82

00:38:42.320 had to walk back her support for a two-state solution? Two-state solution used to be what 0.99

00:38:47.380 liberals and most of the left believed in. They don't believe in that anymore. They want one state

00:38:52.120 called Palestine, river to the sea, with no Israel. That's never going to happen. That's never going to

00:38:58.440 happen. And the longer that people believe that it might happen, that's what leads to these

00:39:03.020 atrocities. And people like her are responsible for this happening because they let the hope live

00:39:09.360 that someday Israel won't exist. That will never happen.

00:39:12.280 Bethany, there she was crying. Okay, here she is a week ago. Okay, just a week ago. Just a reminder. Watch.

00:39:23.620 Do you condone what Hamas has done, chopping off babies' heads, burning children alive,

00:39:30.000 raking women in the streets? 0.95

00:39:31.280 Do you have no comment about children's heads being chopped off?

00:39:44.840 Congressman, why do you have a Palestinian flag outside your office if you do not condone what 0.83

00:39:49.560 Hamas terrorists have done to Israel?

00:39:54.420 Do Israeli lives not matter to you?

00:39:56.700 She's disgusting. Her actual feelings are perfectly well on display in those two clips, 1.00

00:40:05.540 Bethany. Yep. Yep. And speaking of actors, piggybacking on what Carol said,

00:40:11.240 all of the coverage that happened yesterday in the Capitol, the cry on, the description on the

00:40:17.080 bottom, even on Fox News said Jewish groups. Chiron. Yeah. Chiron. Thank you. I can never say that

00:40:21.980 correctly. It said Jewish groups. They were not Jewish. They were using holy garments as tokens. 0.58

00:40:29.820 They were wearing a talis, which is normally used in morning prayers and morning prayers only. And they

00:40:35.200 wore it. They wore yarmulkes and masks, of course, because they can't let go of that religion either. 0.99

00:40:40.580 But they're wearing yarmulkes and talises. They had to rent them from the local, I don't know,

00:40:46.020 Judaica store because they don't own them. They're not religious Jews. They were not representative 1.00

00:40:50.780 of the vast, vast majority of American Jews. And even lefties, by the way. So many of my

00:40:57.880 liberal Jewish friends have been completely red pilled because they're seeing stuff like Ilhan

00:41:02.720 Omer. And they're like, oh, well, she, you know, maybe, maybe there's, maybe the wolf is right outside

00:41:08.920 the door. And there's the, the, the wheels are starting to turn a little bit and liberal Jews are 0.91

00:41:13.240 starting to realize, oh, it turns out all of these people want me dead. Hmm. Yeah. It's yeah. I'm

00:41:19.780 gonna have to pass. Yeah. Alan Dershowitz was doing a bit on these, um, Jews for, uh, it was 0.55

00:41:26.740 Jewish voices for peace. And he did a great bit on his show yesterday about how they're none of those 0.99

00:41:32.840 things. Those protests, they're not Jewish. They don't really have actual voices. Uh, it's all, 1.00

00:41:38.040 you know, Astro turf and they don't want peace. So it was, you know, that they tried to say that,

00:41:43.100 oh, and the media ran with it. Like Jewish groups joined in the protest, you know, demanding peace.

00:41:47.020 That's not true at all. And it's of course just perfect on, on the back of the hospital

00:41:51.600 misreporting that we have more misreporting and an insurrection that nobody cares about Carol. I

00:41:57.140 mean, it's just like, it hits all the things like disinformation when it confirms your priors,

00:42:02.040 more different disinformation, doubling down on the lie. She's already told insurrection that the

00:42:06.340 Democrats don't give a damn about like every, you can understand why there are Trump voters today.

00:42:11.620 Like, right. Yeah. I mean, I don't understand how invading the Capitol isn't a crime. I was told

00:42:18.700 that it absolutely is. And it's, it's, you know, a crime of sedition and, and you absolutely will be

00:42:23.920 arrested. Why isn't that happening? I mean, a few people were arrested, I think for assaulting a

00:42:28.120 police officer. Um, so it was actually also violent. Uh, I, I think that we're seeing this double 0.82

00:42:33.980 standard and it also goes back to the whole, these college kids are protesting, uh, you know,

00:42:39.360 in favor of Hamas. Um, they're, they're saying the most despicable things. They've turned the

00:42:43.820 paragliders into some kind of heroes and now they want to be not named. They don't want their future

00:42:50.380 employers to know about them. Well, I'm sorry, here's the double standard and you're going to be

00:42:54.960 happy. You're going to have to live under the rules that you created for the rest of us. You started

00:42:58.940 this cancel culture and now you have to live as a part of it. I feel the same way about all the

00:43:03.580 people that were in the Capitol yesterday. We were told that on January 6th, that, you know,

00:43:08.960 walking into the Capitol, however, peacefully you want to say that you are is a huge crime.

00:43:14.580 Well, I'd like to see some accountability in that case. And I'd like to see Republicans push for it.

00:43:19.200 Oh yeah. Let's see what the prison sentence are. The sentences are for these guys. Let's,

00:43:22.300 let's follow these cases. Let's get Julie Kelly on it. The only honest reporter on the January 6th

00:43:26.660 trials and see what she finds. I have a feeling it's going to look a lot different, Bethany.

00:43:30.960 Yeah. I mean, I, I, I would push back a little bit and I'm hearing this question a lot from

00:43:35.500 reporters and editors and everything. Well, don't you support cancel culture if you think that these

00:43:39.900 folks should lose their jobs and no, there is a line between saying something mean, um, and inciting

00:43:46.680 violence and what we saw from mean or stupid. That's that's in one category. Supporting terror

00:43:52.900 isn't a difference. Sorry. Keep going. No, I mean, you said exactly. Thank you. And you're

00:43:57.380 better at talking. I can't even say the word cry on or Kurt per on whatever it is. Hi, Ron. Thank

00:44:02.820 you. I still can't do it on the brain because of the Rashida to leave clip. Yeah. But it's, I mean,

00:44:08.060 it's incitement to violence. Like I, there is, there is a line here on what you are allowed to say.

00:44:14.640 And I'm sorry, supporting the, the torture and murder of Jewish babies or just babies in general,

00:44:21.340 like as a human being, like, sorry, we found the line and, and they, they just don't understand

00:44:26.260 that. You're not supposed to say the quiet part out loud. I don't think it's illegal. I don't

00:44:30.920 think it's unlawful incitement. I just think it's grounds for never getting a job again. Like I'm

00:44:35.420 not for me. I, if you want to hire those people, good luck to you. Good luck to your Jewish employees. 1.00

00:44:39.900 Um, but the, the, like this, the notion that they shouldn't wind up on a list that thoughtful

00:44:46.460 employers can consult to find out who's a terrorist sympathizer is insane to me, Carol. I did this

00:44:52.960 cause I saw your piece the other day, um, on cancel culture needs to come for college kids,

00:44:56.780 but I agree with Bethany. It's not exactly cancel culture. Um, but I just went back for kicks and I,

00:45:01.660 I like this website, um, the college fix. They keep an eye on campus craziness just to see like,

00:45:07.260 what are some of the most recent examples of the nuts stuff that has gotten people canceled?

00:45:11.500 And I wrote down a couple of notes. Okay. Um, UNLV just apologized for using the word picnic.

00:45:18.160 It will change it to lunch by the lake. I don't know what's wrong with picnic. I don't give a shit.

00:45:23.220 I don't care enough to go find out. Um, Michigan state law school, the ABA recently recognized it

00:45:29.300 according to FOIA documents that they got their hands on, recognized it and applauded it for removing

00:45:34.260 the Spartan helmet from Michigan state's marketing materials, because this could be triggering

00:45:40.760 to sexual assault victims. Uh, because it's Spartans. Oh, okay. Wait, I got to give you a

00:45:49.480 couple more. Can we rewind for a second? Okay. Yeah, go ahead. Oh yeah. All right. I'll give

00:45:55.240 you the couple more and then you rewind. Hold on. They care about sexual assault, but not of Jewish 1.00

00:45:58.680 women. Go. No, no. Correct. Exactly. That's not triggering at all. University of Missouri fired a 0.96

00:46:04.700 white cop for wearing the dark makeup, which they now call blackface to be Flava Flav before he was

00:46:11.560 ever hired by the university. Somebody discovered an old picture of this cop doing it, you know? Okay.

00:46:15.820 Um, Northwestern student government president told students not to eat tacos or drink tequila on Cinco de

00:46:22.820 Mayo because it's triggering and it's dehumanizing to Mexicans. Okay. Then here's another one. The

00:46:29.300 Princeton acapella group was singing the little mermaid song by the crab, Sebastian, the crab.

00:46:34.920 There's a line in it that reads that says, go on and kiss the girl, kiss the girl. Well, they encouraged 0.99

00:46:40.280 a couple from the audience to come up on stage and encourage the guy to kiss the girl. And they got in

00:46:47.400 trouble because this was promoting a heteronormative attack on women. And it elevated the song to an 1.00

00:46:56.520 offensive and violating ritual. All those people are now telling us that it is fine to go out and

00:47:06.500 cheer for the eradication of Israel and Jews and to cheer on the terror and murder on Moss of Jewish 1.00

00:47:16.440 children, civilians, women, pregnant women. We could go down the list, Carol, the absurdity of these people. 0.97

00:47:22.940 I mean, they're, they're ripping that tequila out of my cold dead hands on Cinco de Mayo. I am

00:47:28.600 drinking tequila that day and absolutely having tacos. I love tacos. Um, I, that's the thing they've,

00:47:35.680 they've set these insane standards and they absolutely refuse to live by them. I don't know.

00:47:41.680 We can call it cancel culture or not. I also think like a lot of the people who are being videotaped or

00:47:46.420 photographed, uh, taking down the pictures of the kidnapped children, uh, in Gaza. Uh, I don't have

00:47:52.440 any problem with them being targeted at their jobs. Like, I'm sorry, I don't want to go to a dentist that

00:47:57.700 tore down a picture of a five-year-old being held hostage in Gaza. And I don't feel comfortable getting

00:48:03.760 in an MRI machine with an MRI technician that did the same thing. So I, I'm all about expose them all,

00:48:10.700 name them all. And you can call it cancel culture. You know, uh, Mehdi Hassan from MSNBC said,

00:48:15.860 oh, conservatives used to be really into free speech. Well, yeah, well you won that battle and

00:48:20.020 we no longer are. So congratulations. Yeah, exactly. And honestly, like we, we talked about

00:48:25.880 this a couple, I don't know, years ago, Candace Owens had on some, I can't remember the woman's 1.00

00:48:30.180 name, but they had a big debate on whether Republicans, conservatives, people who are

00:48:33.540 against cancel culture, should start doing it to teach a lesson. And Candace Owens was very much on 1.00

00:48:37.500 the side of let's do it. Let's do it. Let's teach a lesson. Same. I agree. It's, we tried the high

00:48:43.320 ground. It didn't work. The only thing that works is canceling their asses so they can understand 0.95

00:48:47.640 what a bad game it is. But this discussion is an entirely different lane. This is terror

00:48:52.220 sympathizers. There's no debate. You're out. It's a no, get out, go enjoy your time with the

00:48:58.240 students for justice for Palestine. Or you can obviously get a job as a professor in any elite

00:49:03.180 university in America because they love you. They love people like you. I'll give you the last word,

00:49:07.480 Bethany. Yeah. I mean, I'm not spending my money or going under the needle with any of these

00:49:12.160 terrorist sympathizers. This is not like, I don't like their speech. It's, is that it's an

00:49:16.680 existential threat to individual Jewish Americans and to the Jewish community at large, because I'm

00:49:22.800 sorry, I'm afraid of a guy who will walk around ripping down posters of Jewish children who are

00:49:27.780 missing and being tortured by people who, who cut off the fingers and cut out the eyes of Jewish

00:49:32.760 babies already. Like we are in a fight of good versus evil and people need to take a stand and

00:49:38.460 understand that that is, that is the reality on the ground here. Um, and, and, you know,

00:49:43.280 cancel all their asses and destroy them because they've decided to side with Nazis. 0.94

00:49:48.260 Yeah, that I completely agree. This is a different thing. This is the same as cheering on ISIS

00:49:53.400 as it burned people in cages. It's the same as saying, you know, those guys who cut off poor

00:49:58.860 Daniel Pearl's head, they had some points, you know, we should, we should really listen and empathize.

00:50:03.100 No, goodbye. It's over. It's over for us too. Sadly, Bethany and Carol, love you gals. Thanks

00:50:09.260 for coming on so much, Megan. You're the best. Thank you. Lots of love. Hang in there. Victor

00:50:14.320 Davis Hanson up next. We are getting new information now. According to the Associated Press,

00:50:23.780 Israel's defense minister today told ground troops at the border with Gaza to prepare to invade,

00:50:30.520 but he did not say exactly when the invasion would start at the same time. And you heard,

00:50:36.000 uh, the gals reference it in our last hour. Bethany said it report reports now that some 30

00:50:40.760 rockets have been fired from Lebanon into Israel today. We've seen, uh, skirmishes, you know,

00:50:47.660 increasing like minor attacks. I don't want to diminish them, but it's not the full on, uh, scale

00:50:54.620 of attacks that Lebanon could do for the past week or so. So, you know, we have to watch each one 0.95

00:51:00.020 wondering where does this lead? Where does this lead? And is this something more than just a saber

00:51:05.260 rattle? Joining me now, a guest who I told my team I needed to hear from this week. I've been

00:51:09.620 following him religiously for a long, long time. He's brilliant. You know, and love him too. Victor

00:51:13.900 Davis Hanson. He's a senior fellow at the Stanford's Hoover Institution. He's also the author of the book,

00:51:19.320 the dying citizen, how progressive elites, tribalism and globalism are destroying the idea of America.

00:51:24.540 And you can find his writings at his website, the blade of Perseus for people who are dumb like me,

00:51:32.280 when it comes to the classics, that's P E R S E U S Victor. He's tried, he's tried to educate us,

00:51:39.420 but we don't always listen the way we should. Great to see you. Great to have you. I know you've

00:51:43.700 been watching the, the military pieces of this. And P in addition to all of your education, you're,

00:51:49.640 you are an expert on military conflicts over the course of history and Lebanon. You know,

00:51:57.520 like I said, they keep, they keep doing a little bit here, a little bit here. This isn't the full

00:52:01.960 deal, but if Israel invades Gaza, there's a belief by some that they will get involved that as soon as

00:52:08.100 Israel goes into Gaza and with ground troops, you're going to see Hezbollah from Lebanon get 1.00

00:52:13.380 involved in this thing and possibly even Iran. What do you think? I kind of a contrarian on that,

00:52:21.620 Megan. In 2006, they did that to Israel and it had kind of a multi-front war. And as the economics

00:52:29.740 minister of Lebanon said, I think last week, if we get into war with Israel, they're going to turn us

00:52:37.360 back into the dark ages as they did in 2006. They haven't really recovered from 2006. And the IDF's 0.50

00:52:43.980 air forces kind of made Beirut, especially the Shia districts, into rubble. Nasrallah ended up hiding

00:52:51.000 in an embassy. And so I think what they're going to do is send off 10 or 20 and find that soft spot.

00:52:59.540 They think that when Israel goes in, they can help Hamas and regain their streak cred or maintain it 0.84

00:53:08.260 by saying, well, we were opening a second front and doing just enough to get a tit-for-tat response

00:53:14.400 from the IDF, because the IDF they think will be busy in Hamas. But they have over 500 aircraft and

00:53:21.960 they have the ability to level Beirut. And I think at this point, when you lose 1200 0.93

00:53:27.980 civilians and another 200 soldiers and they're murdered in the way they were, there's no

00:53:33.940 restraints on Israel. And then there's the other fact is that unlike these past tensions, we've got

00:53:39.000 two aircraft carriers groups. It's 150 of our best planes. And they have the ability, if some crazy

00:53:46.400 person sends a rocket against them or a randos to do the same thing to Beirut and to Tehran, and they

00:53:54.140 know it. And I know that they have no respect for Joe Biden, but Joe Biden's being driven by events.

00:54:00.320 He's not driving them now. He's reacting. And if they were to attack us or if they send a huge wave

00:54:06.440 into Israel, there's nothing Joe Biden could do but to allow Israel to respond. And then, or I think 0.53

00:54:13.200 he'd have to respond if they attacked us. So, I don't think they're in such a good position,

00:54:18.120 Iran is. And nobody likes them. I mean, the Western world, Europe's sick of them. Their new clients are, 1.00

00:54:24.980 should say, their new patrons. Russia and China both have a long history of anti-Islamist,

00:54:31.420 Islamic, you know, Uyghurs and Chechnya. And they put up with them. They find them useful, 1.00

00:54:36.980 but they wouldn't intervene to protect Iran or Hezbollah. And most of the Arab world,

00:54:42.660 it's so duplicitous that their attitude would be, well, we're going to condemn, you know,

00:54:49.300 the infidels for attacking another Muslim group in Hezbollah or Iran. But privately, 0.60

00:54:55.180 they would call us up and say, but if you're going to do it, get rid of them for good.

00:54:58.980 So, I don't think they have a lot of allies, and they're going to be very careful what they do.

00:55:04.280 So interesting. All right, let me ask you about this piece of analysis. I love the podcast commentary.

00:55:09.540 And yesterday, they had on an author named Jonathan Shanzer, who seems to have some

00:55:15.460 connection or some info connected with the Israeli government, because he was speaking like a man

00:55:21.020 who knew. That's my speculation from listening to him. But this is, he said a lot of interesting

00:55:26.000 things. But one of them was, he said, Hamas has only 10% of what Hezbollah has in terms of rockets.

00:55:32.760 And Hezbollah has got a lot more rocket power than Hamas does. And that Hezbollah may now have 0.95

00:55:37.280 precision guided rockets. So they would be a potential threat to Israel. But he was adding to

00:55:44.540 this, that there are meetings right now in the Israeli government. And I guess there's a war

00:55:48.240 council of three people. It's Netanyahu and two others who are going to make the decision about what

00:55:53.220 Israel does next. So Netanyahu doesn't have sole decision making authority. He's not the commander

00:55:58.340 in chief like our guy is, you know, who could make who could make the call on something like this

00:56:02.340 alone. Though he did Congress to declare war technically, in America. They're debating whether

00:56:08.780 they should just do a ground invasion into Hamas, I mean, into Gaza, or whether they should, on their 0.99

00:56:14.160 own, Israel, start it up with Hezbollah in Lebanon, and just go for it full, full bore on both fronts, 0.85

00:56:22.000 once and for all. And that his information was Netanyahu only wanted to do one front, that's Gaza.

00:56:30.360 And one of the others wanted to do two fronts. And so the third gentleman on this council is going

00:56:37.260 to be the decision maker. But I mean, what do you think of that possibility that Israel might start 0.87

00:56:42.740 it up with both Hezbollah and ground invasion in Gaza? Well, I think that's a very realistic 1.00

00:56:50.860 assessment, because how many times do they have 150 of the world's best pilots right off their coast

00:56:57.220 in America? And how many times are they presented with an existential threat that if this happens

00:57:03.180 again, there won't be in Israel, you can't have a nation and allow people to go in. And we know that 1.00

00:57:08.160 people, and kill, and murder, and rape, and torture, and mutilate the way that Hamas did. Hamas is an 0.97

00:57:14.000 entity of Iran, as is Hezbollah. So in their way of thinking, at some critical point, they're going to

00:57:21.720 wait for Hezbollah to have a volley, and there's going to be a magical number on Israel's side, which 0.96

00:57:27.080 is going to allow them to, you know, go back and hit. And when we say a thousand sites, 10,000,

00:57:33.460 100,000, what we're talking about are hidden all over Beirut. And so they're not going to,

00:57:39.920 there's no way they can be discriminant. They have to go in and take them out. And they did that in

00:57:44.400 2006. And Lebanon's never recovered. Hezbollah knows that. And they know they're going to target 0.75

00:57:50.440 the Hezbollah people. They look at what's going on in Gaza. So the other, I think it's realistic. 1.00

00:57:55.960 And the other thing is, when he has, when we say coalition government, that means people from the left.

00:58:00.120 And it's a phenomenon in these Western societies. Ours is a good example. When you have Biden,

00:58:05.920 a man of the left, they stick with the left. So if Biden decides to do anything, there's not going

00:58:11.940 to be a lot of people in the Senate or the House who say, you're a war criminal, you're a Nazi in

00:58:17.680 the way they did George Bush or Donald Trump. They're going to say, he's our guy, and we're going

00:58:21.360 to go with him. And the same thing in this coalition government. If the other person who is a little bit

00:58:27.780 more hawkish than Netanyahu, who's a man of the left, and there's a good chance he is,

00:58:31.540 or at least he's not in the Likud party, the Israeli left will be saying, you can do whatever

00:58:37.100 you want. And usually the Israeli left is the person, the group, the people that we appeal to

00:58:43.320 to calm down. You know, let's have a two-state solution, come on. But when they're for war,

00:58:51.800 because they're own leaders for war, then there's no restraint. I don't see any restraint on Israel,

00:58:58.280 to tell you the truth. I don't think they're going to listen to Biden. I hope they don't.

00:59:02.280 I don't see a lot of Arab countries calling them up and saying, if you dare go into Gaza,

00:59:07.380 or you dare go against Hezbollah, we're going to do this to you. I see them saying,

00:59:12.980 we don't want any people from Gaza into Egypt. And they're not coming into Jordan, believe me. 1.00

00:59:18.280 That's their attitude. And the Saudis' attitude is, if you guys want to take them out, we're going to 1.00

00:59:24.360 criticize you publicly, but we hope you finish it off. That's their attitude. I know that for a fact.

00:59:31.480 What I'm gathering here is that the Palestinians, they're not well-loved in the Arab world. I mean,

00:59:37.120 it seems like everybody's like, oh, you know, they're a useful chess piece to attack Israel with 0.99

00:59:41.400 every once in a while. We hate Israel. So they're useful in that way. But live with them? Hell no. 1.00

00:59:46.680 Let them into our country? Hard no. And so it is a question of whether they would actually get 1.00

00:59:52.240 involved in a proxy war with the United States or take on Israel directly, which has a very

00:59:57.000 formidable military on behalf of the Palestinians. These are just realities that seem to be pretty 1.00

01:00:01.800 clear. They don't have a ton of real support. That's true. And it applies to the other.

01:00:10.020 They're all autocratic regimes. But when we give a billion dollars to the Jordanians,

01:00:14.540 we give over that to the Egyptians, when they snubbed an American president based on a lie, 0.51

01:00:19.580 and they knew it was a lie, but they knew their street knew it was a lie, but still was going to

01:00:23.620 protest. And they had to side with the street over us. Part of that whole dialectic is that they look

01:00:30.780 at us as weak after Afghanistan, after, you know, the Ukraine, after the Chinese balloon, after our own

01:00:39.660 forest border, after all the riots with George Floyd, they look at us and they think to themselves,

01:00:43.820 we're not going to go out on a limb against radical Islam for you guys. Now, if you were going to back

01:00:50.040 us up and you were really going to take care of business with Hamas and Hezbollah, we might. 0.56

01:00:54.960 But for now, we're going to sit on the fence and mouth the usual boilerplate that you're infidels and 1.00

01:01:00.760 all of that stuff. And we don't want anything to do with you. But we're not going to get out ahead of

01:01:05.420 you because you saw the limb off and we fall down. That's how they feel about this administration.

01:01:10.760 And it's true. And unfortunately, in a lot of way, and especially with Joe Biden now greenlighting

01:01:17.280 a hundred million dollars, that'll end up, as you pointed out, fungible, it'll end up in Hamas's 0.76

01:01:23.480 hands, or at least it will replace money. The Iranians might have diverted for a little bit of 0.99

01:01:28.100 humanitarian aid so that they can concentrate fully on rockets.

01:01:36.200 Well, let's talk about the the idea of American deterrence, because, you know, I mentioned this

01:01:41.200 at the top of our first hour. We've got those two aircraft carriers and Joe Biden's clearly trying

01:01:45.660 to be a deterrent force toward Iran, toward Hezbollah, toward anybody thinking about getting 0.98

01:01:50.860 involved in what right now is limited to Israel versus Hamas. I realize Joe Biden is

01:01:58.060 perceived as feckless by many and for all the reasons you just said, but it's still two U.S.

01:02:04.380 aircraft carriers, still the United States military. So are we still a deterrent in the way that we need

01:02:12.340 to be? Well, deterrence is based on two facts. One is the physical reality that you have the material

01:02:19.920 wherewithal to strike and protect your interest and your friends. And the other is that you're either

01:02:25.460 willing to use it or you're unpredictable, maybe even a little crazy. But if you're predictably

01:02:30.860 not going to use your deterrent to protect your interest, that's worse than having nothing.

01:02:36.640 Because in the enemy's mind, it's sort of, well, they have all this power and yet they're so decadent

01:02:42.440 and they're falling so low, they wouldn't dare use it against us. And that develops a further

01:02:48.240 contempt. But again, I don't think Joe Biden is in charge of events. We have these two big targets

01:02:55.900 out there. And if you want to send a hundred thousand guided rockets at them, you could sink

01:03:00.140 them. I don't think they could stop that. And they know that. But they also know that if you were to do

01:03:05.900 that, there wouldn't be no more Hezbollah. There'd be no more Beirut. There'd be no more Tehran. And they 1.00

01:03:11.720 know that. And they know that Joe Biden may not order that, but there are forces in the Senate,

01:03:17.800 the House, the American public that would demand that. And so they sit out there basically saying,

01:03:23.160 what are you going to do about it? And that drives Iran crazy. I don't think Iran is in such a good 1.00

01:03:28.580 position to tell you the truth. They're losing their pawn that they've invested hundreds of billions of

01:03:35.080 dollars to in Hamas. Nobody likes them. Their Chinese and Russian patrons don't like them. 1.00

01:03:43.480 They like their drones, but they all, you know, Russia level Chechnya and China has a million

01:03:49.760 Uyghurs. They're not particularly pro-Islamic. And I don't think the Arab world has anything but 1.00

01:03:56.160 contempt or fear of Iran. And so who is their constituency if somebody were to attack them? I don't

01:04:02.820 want that's necessary at this point, but there is no constituency would say, please don't do that.

01:04:07.300 We love the Iranians, or we're going to come to the aid of the Iranians. And Iran keeps saying that

01:04:13.280 they've got a bomb or they're close to it, but maybe they probably don't yet. And so in the way,

01:04:20.140 I guess what I'm building up to is in the way of thinking of the Israelis and some people in the

01:04:24.200 American government, that this occasion, if they started and they demand that they're going to wage

01:04:32.800 jihad against the Israelis or attack America, then you might as well get it over with. And it 0.70

01:04:38.160 won't be a Fallujah, a Mosul, Kandahar, Helmand province on the ground type of war, which is in their

01:04:46.740 favor. It'll be an air campaign. You're talking about, wait, wait, just to be clear, you're talking

01:04:50.240 about if Iran gets involved, if Iran gets involved, then the response will be finish, finish them?

01:04:56.720 Yeah. Well, I mean, finish, not the Iranian people, but if Hezbollah attacks those carriers

01:05:02.320 with rockets or Iran does, they know what will happen. Biden or no Biden. And that will be the 0.74

01:05:09.580 end of their infrastructure in Tehran and their nuclear return. They know that. And they don't 0.50

01:05:13.780 want to give that up.

01:05:14.420 But let me ask you this. But backing, backing up, like zooming out of Hezbollah and sticking 0.99

01:05:18.040 with Iran for, you know, directly for one second, would they? I mean, one of the questions I'm I

01:05:24.260 have is whether they're just going to sit there after you point out they've invested all this

01:05:28.240 money in Hamas. They'd love to see Hamas do its do their dirty work and take out Israel in however 0.85

01:05:33.980 they can. So now if Israel goes in on the ground in Gaza and is actually making real progress,

01:05:41.080 taking out Hamas, does Iran sit by and let its investment fail? You know, let its that it's the 0.80

01:05:49.180 head of the snake, but let the body of the snake die a quick death at the hand of the IDF?

01:05:55.740 It's not that it's not the question of whether they're going to let it. It's what's the alternative

01:05:59.500 to letting them and the alternative to letting them is opening the second front and experiencing

01:06:05.880 what Gaza. The biggest danger to tell you the truth, Megan, is not doing anything. Because then 0.66

01:06:11.260 Iran says to themselves, well, they talked about going into Gaza, but they were restrained and all

01:06:16.880 they did was bomb a little bit. And so if we went in, they wouldn't go into us and do that either.

01:06:21.180 But if you go in and you have a righteous retribution and take out Hamas, then Iran is thinking,

01:06:29.220 my God, the Israelis are angry and it's not going to be the same exchange of a few rockets tit and 0.92

01:06:35.500 tax. So what are they doing now? They're sending 10, 20, 30. Again, they're trying to find out how

01:06:42.040 many rockets give that credibility in the Islamic world, but how many, what's the magic point when 1.00

01:06:48.360 you do too many and you get a response? And so far, they've been pretty careful about finding that

01:06:54.340 medium. Because after all, if you're going to send in 2,500 murderers and you plan it for a year

01:07:00.780 and they're going to go into Israel and butcher and kill, then why, if you really are supporting 0.61

01:07:06.860 that and you want to intervene, why don't you do it when Israel's surprised and do it on the

01:07:11.300 northern front? They didn't do that. In fact, it was even worse than that. They planned it and then

01:07:16.960 they told us, we support it. We're so happy. But you know what? We didn't plan it. We didn't have

01:07:22.760 anything to do with it. They kept saying that. They were adamant about that. And they were adamant

01:07:26.660 because they didn't want to see Beirut suffer what they thought would be the fate of Gaza City,

01:07:33.060 which is the fate of Gaza. And they know that. And so, you know, anybody who says they know what's

01:07:38.560 going to happen in the Middle East is always kind of a fool. But I suspect that there's a greater 0.99

01:07:45.300 likelihood that they're not going to intervene in a fashion that would save Hamas or open up a 0.70

01:07:51.940 serious front. And if they do do that, I think people in Israel will see it as this is finally

01:07:59.000 an existential war and it's time to get it over with for good. And they know that. And I think

01:08:04.120 the United States put those carriers out there to, A, to deter Iran, but more importantly, to say to 1.00

01:08:12.280 Iran and Hezbollah that if you were to touch us or if you intervene and Israel is threatened with an 0.94

01:08:20.220 existential destruction, which I don't think it would be. But if it were, we're going to intervene.

01:08:27.140 And of course, that would be preferable than to Israel going to DEFCON 1, you know, with nuclear 0.86

01:08:33.480 weapons. We don't want that to happen. Right. So what do you think is likely to happen now

01:08:39.080 as Israel tells the troops? Because there's been some speculation, are they going in or aren't they?

01:08:44.600 Like, as you point out, the biggest, you know, message might be if they don't go in and it might not

01:08:48.560 be such a great message for Israel to send. But there's been a lot of speculation, like what's

01:08:53.160 taking them so long? You know, we're now, what, 12 days post 10-7 and they haven't gone in. They're

01:08:59.260 lining up speculation about whether they're trying to negotiate for the release of these hostages.

01:09:04.840 Be great if you could get the hostages out. But Hamas knows not to release the hostages. They know

01:09:09.480 it's just going to make them sitting ducks if they do that. So these guys, these IDF, you know, 0.85

01:09:15.060 soldiers have quite a challenge in front of them, given the layout of Gaza, the way Hamas has been 1.00

01:09:22.340 planning and the length of time they've been planning these underground, you know, cities that

01:09:27.400 they appear to have been building for God knows how long. How do you see all those challenges?

01:09:33.660 Well, they're quite great. But remember, they haven't been idle. They have done more damage

01:09:39.240 to Hamas in Gaza City and the history of Hamas in Gaza City. And they're doing it systematically,

01:09:46.540 taking out key installations, and there's no restraint on them. They're not telling us,

01:09:52.480 we're sorry, this, we're not going to. They're just doing it every day, every 200, 300 strikes a day.

01:09:58.660 And I think what they're trying to do is two things. Weaken the command and control structure of

01:10:03.240 Hamas and send a message to the people of Gaza. Each day, your zealotry for these people is going

01:10:11.500 to diminish a little bit because we're not going to attack you directly, but look at what they did to

01:10:16.340 you. And they're putting you as shields. They're trying to stop you from going to. And so it's to

01:10:22.400 create internal dissension. And as they're doing this, they're also trying to debate how do you go

01:10:29.420 into this hellhole? And they look at, they have Americans saying, you know what, this is what

01:10:33.840 happened when they went after ISIS in Mosul with the Iraqi army that we advised. Here's what we did

01:10:38.860 in Fallujah. And I don't see it as, you know, just a one-dimensional invasion going in there. It's

01:10:45.840 going to be more like, I think, if we can look at past precedents that were successful in really

01:10:51.560 bleak landscapes, is to target an area and go in and kill the Hamas people and get rid of the 1.00

01:10:59.120 tunnels, then go out and do it more like ink spots than just one massive push everybody out. Because

01:11:05.660 that's what we did in Fallujah. We kind of went in different directions and we filtered out the 0.99

01:11:12.660 civilians, but that was a pretty horrific place. We stopped once, but people forget that the United

01:11:20.080 States Marine Corps, I was embedded and I went into Fallujah after they had got done with it. And

01:11:25.760 I wouldn't want to have been in Fallujah is what I'm saying.

01:11:30.900 So do you have any hope for them being able to extract these hostages? If it's obviously,

01:11:38.300 I'm speaking about militarily.

01:11:41.300 Yeah, I think that depends a lot. And this is why I'm really upset about it, because when you look at

01:11:47.340 the demonstrations on campus and what university professors and administrators have said, or what

01:11:53.860 the left have said, there's been no empathy at all. I mean, think of it, Megan, we were willing to give

01:12:00.820 $1.2 billion per hostage to Iran for those five. And yet they killed 20 something Americans and they've

01:12:10.700 got another, we don't know exactly how many hostages, but there's no outcry that if you touch

01:12:16.260 this hostage or you kill this hostage, this American, this is what we're going to do to you. 0.92

01:12:20.440 And so, yeah, I am worried because they don't, they have to know there's going to be a downside

01:12:25.460 if they touch them. And we'll, we'll see, but I don't know what we've communicated them. But when

01:12:31.180 Anthony Blinken, you know, and Joe Biden say that give them $100 million or Joe Biden said yesterday that

01:12:40.360 the problem was that Islamic Jihad couldn't shoot straight. And I guess what he meant was,

01:12:48.580 well, if that missile had have hit the target and killed Jewish civilians in Tel Aviv, then we wouldn't

01:12:54.420 have had this problem because there was street wouldn't have exploded in the Arab world. We 0.78

01:12:58.980 wouldn't have had to give the hundred million. I wouldn't have been snubbed. It's the problem is

01:13:03.940 Islamic Jihad didn't shoot straight. That's basically what he said. Well, what message does that convey to

01:13:09.440 the hostage state group? So I'm really worried that we've, we've got a, a secretary of state, a national

01:13:16.840 security advisor, and a president that don't understand the charter of Hamas and what they're

01:13:23.460 up against. And, uh, they keep thinking that the more magnanimity they show to radical Islamists and

01:13:31.960 jihadists, the more it's going to be reciprocated in moderation, where in fact, all evidence in the

01:13:37.140 past says it's going to be reciprocated with more violence because it's going to interpret that as

01:13:42.420 weakness to be exploited, not to be, uh, returned in kind.

01:13:47.620 Mm-hmm. Yeah. You've been talking about sort of the sympathies that this administration clearly has

01:13:53.100 shown toward, uh, toward Iran and this utopian belief that they can extend the hand of friendship

01:14:00.700 and somehow, you know, Robert Malley, what happened with him? Um, now we have a new, uh,

01:14:06.760 they want us to confirm this ambassador to Israel because we don't have one right now. This guy who

01:14:11.400 was, you know, he lied to Congress. He was responsible for giving them the pallets, Jack

01:14:15.240 Lou pallets full of cash. Like there, it just seems like at every turn you look inside this

01:14:19.840 administration, what you find is Iran sympathizers or people who have this Pollyanna view toward Iran.

01:14:25.400 Well, I mean, we picked, when you picked, when we appointed Robert Malley, we were saying that we

01:14:30.740 want somebody to go well beyond what John Kerry had done under the Obama people. That is, he would be

01:14:36.660 pro-Iranian and he's now accused, I don't, allegedly of disseminating classical, uh, documents to somebody

01:14:45.460 and to bringing in, as you said, sympathizers into the state department. And Iran looks at that.

01:14:52.520 They look at the release of the sanctions and the oil sanctions where they got tens of billions of

01:14:58.040 dollars. They have attacked us reportedly. I don't, I haven't checked the accuracy, but the media

01:15:03.500 says 83 times they've attacked Americans and we've only be tallied for three or four times. And then 0.63

01:15:11.460 these drones that are coming from Iranian backed militias in Iraq attacking American and then giving,

01:15:17.500 so we've done all of this despite all of these provocations and they keep upping the ante and

01:15:25.140 we gave the money back. As soon as they came in, they restored the UN refugee money. I think now

01:15:30.060 Blinken was over there in February of this year saying that bragging to a boss that we'd given him an

01:15:35.820 aggregate billion, I think. And so they don't interpret that as anything other than somebody really wants

01:15:43.520 to like them and appease them and make sure they're happy. And unfortunately, that's a very dangerous

01:15:50.260 thing to do. Whereas if you're deterrent, you have a large military and you don't say anything

01:15:55.600 and you're quiet with a big stick rather than loud with a twig, then you create deterrence. And we had

01:16:02.960 deterrence under Donald Trump. We really did. We took out Soleimani. They knew that if they attacked us,

01:16:09.040 what was going to happen to them. We bombed ISIS into oblivion. We upped the military budget. We

01:16:15.600 moved, we allowed the Israelis to go to Jerusalem. We allowed the embassy, the Golan Heights. And each 0.72

01:16:22.560 one of those occasions that we were told that the Iranians were going to react or the Hamas was going

01:16:28.080 to do this and they didn't. It's because they were, they understood first that we had reason to do that.

01:16:34.880 And second, that we were unpredictable and powerful rather than predictably weak.

01:16:40.720 You know, I was, I've been thinking about this a lot lately because I was at Fox when Barack Obama

01:16:46.560 was running for president and it was 2008 and they were having the debates. I believe it was at the

01:16:52.800 debate. It was still a primary debate before he'd secured the nomination. And he got asked a question.

01:16:58.720 It was 2007. He got asked a question and he gave this answer that would become news for several days.

01:17:04.500 And I remember listening to Charles Krauthammer tear this answer apart on special report the next

01:17:10.980 night. I actually had them pull it so we could watch it because I do think this was the beginning

01:17:16.180 of this massive change that the United States has had under its democratic presidents toward Iran.

01:17:22.580 What, what was, I believe a gaffe got turned into us policy, not this specific thing, but this

01:17:30.660 open-mindedness extend the hand of friendship thing toward Iran. Here was the moment from 2007.

01:17:39.060 Would you be willing to meet separately without precondition during the first year of your

01:17:44.020 administration in Washington or anywhere else with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba,

01:17:50.740 and North Korea? I wouldn't. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to

01:17:58.660 countries is punishment to them, which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration,

01:18:06.980 is ridiculous. Ronald Reagan and democratic presidents like JFK constantly spoke to Soviet Union

01:18:15.460 at a time when Ronald Reagan called them an evil empire. And the reason is because they understood

01:18:20.820 that we may not trust them, they may pose an extraordinary danger to this country, but we have

01:18:27.060 the obligation to find areas where we can potentially move forward.

01:18:31.540 July 23rd, 2007. What do you make of it?

01:18:35.860 Yeah. That was utter ignorance. It was historically ignorant because Ron Reagan surely didn't want to

01:18:42.100 talk to Castro. He didn't want to talk to Gaddafi because they had no deterrent. He talked to the Soviet

01:18:47.540 Union because they had 7,000 nuclear weapons pointed at us and they were putting missiles into Germany 0.77

01:18:54.900 at our allies. So he had no choice. And that was the rules of the Cold War. But I wish I could say that

01:19:01.300 it was just naivete with Iran because I remember the Iran deal of 2015 and 16 and Ben Rhodes said,

01:19:09.300 we fed them an echo chamber of news and they know nothing, these 30-something reporters. What he was

01:19:16.020 saying was that we enacted a policy centered around the Iran deal, but it was even earlier. We remember when

01:19:22.340 he came in the first year, the Iranians rose up thinking that Obama was some kind of revolutionary,

01:19:29.140 empathetic figure in the West. And the Green Revolution in Iran had a million people on the

01:19:34.420 street. He didn't say a word for 11 days. In other words, he didn't want that to succeed because it

01:19:40.180 would upset his grand vision of the Middle East. And what was it? We know what it was. It was to empower

01:19:46.580 Iran and, by extension, the Assad's in Syria. And remember, they said there's a red line if they move 0.86

01:19:53.380 around, we're going to do that. He did nothing. And Hezbollah and, by extension, Hamas. And this was 0.73

01:19:59.620 going to lead to creative tension against, and he didn't like the Gulf sheikdoms, Saudi Arabia,

01:20:07.620 Kuwait, the immigrants, and then Israel. He really detested Israel. And then we would withdraw,

01:20:13.700 lead from behind, and this creative tension, yin and yang, wharf and whoop, that at key points,

01:20:20.260 we would say, and say, now listen, Israel, don't do this, or listen, Iran, you're getting a little bit 0.93

01:20:24.980 too excessive. But there would be no moral distinction between a murderous theocracy and a

01:20:30.500 humane constitutional in Iran and a humane constitutional government in Israel. He wanted

01:20:36.820 to empower that crescent, what they call the Shia crescent. And this is the logical fruition of 0.95

01:20:42.580 that policy is what we're looking at now. An out-of-control Iran that kills three, you know, 0.92

01:20:49.300 three million Yemenis have been killed or wounded, and they have a proxy war there. They've destroyed 0.99

01:20:54.580 Lebanon. They're in Syria. Syria is a wasteland. They're killing Americans. They're trying to 0.99

01:21:01.220 destroy that fragile government in Iraq. They've armed Hamas to the teeth. They're trying to destroy 0.95

01:21:08.340 by proxy Israel. That's the legacy of the Obama plan. And that's why, to be frank, that's why for 72

01:21:15.460 hours he was paralyzed when people asked him to comment about the murdering of Israeli civilians.

01:21:21.140 What was he going to say? Was he going to say, well, I had a rapprochement. I had to

01:21:27.620 taunt with all these people and it didn't work. I'm sorry. He's not going to say that. He didn't know

01:21:32.820 what to say. And it's all, I mean, it all kind of comes together because I heard you on your podcast,

01:21:38.500 which I love and I recommend to everybody talking to Jack Fowler, our friend, and he was raising with

01:21:43.380 you Valerie Jarrett. I did not realize that Valerie Jarrett was raised in part in Iran.

01:21:48.340 Yes, she was. I did not realize that. Valerie and then there was Jack Lew, this guy we just

01:21:55.540 talked about, who's been nominated to be our ambassador to Israel. He was with the Obama

01:21:59.380 administration, Robert Malley. All these things that we just talked about all started under Obama.

01:22:03.540 But so, but so got to remember that Robert Malley was their Hamas advisor for Obama and he was the

01:22:09.540 ISIS advisor. So their policy that blew up and that Trump took care of with ISIS, that was Robert Malley's

01:22:17.220 territory under Obama. Then we got to remember too, that Jake Sullivan worked for Joe Biden under

01:22:24.180 Obama. So did Anthony Blinken. This whole foreign policy team is to be frank, it's just a third term

01:22:32.180 of the Obama foreign policy. And Joe Biden, you know, it's kind of cruel to say that, but you know,

01:22:38.020 he's a construct. He's not making these active decisions. The Obamas are, they're continuing this.

01:22:44.340 And it's led to nothing but death and destruction. And it's really, it's really amoral to see what's

01:22:53.700 going on when we have, it's paralyzed. I mean, right now, Megan, we're looking at people in Europe that

01:22:59.700 have more moral clarity than this administration's people do. That's really, I've never seen that before.

01:23:05.060 The French are better on what Hamas is really like and what happened in Israel than we are. 0.98

01:23:11.220 When Joe Biden talks about the radical elements, the more radical elements of Hamas, what does he

01:23:16.100 mean? That Hamas is a legitimate organization that's been hijacked by a few radicals? That's not true.

01:23:23.180 And what does Anthony Blinken mean when his first reaction to the killing, the killing in Israel,

01:23:29.220 the abject murder, is to meet with a Turkish foreign minister and call for a ceasefire?

01:23:33.440 If you or I said to the Ukrainians, just as public commentators, if we said when Russia invaded,

01:23:40.640 we think this is a cycle of violence. You've had a long history. It leads to nothing. We urge you to

01:23:44.960 have a ceasefire. And if they didn't, we said, listen, Ukraine, we want you to avoid all 1.00

01:23:50.080 infrastructure. Do not hit that bridge. Do not hit that port. Do not hit that harbor

01:23:55.040 without first notifying your Russians that there might be civilians in the area. And by the way,

01:24:00.280 we want all your responses to be proportionate. And we've said the opposite. We've said, you know

01:24:06.240 what? You're going to go up, you're going to defeat Russia and you've got to be disproportionate 0.94

01:24:10.360 and we're going to give you all the wherewithal to keep on fighting. And yet we don't do that to

01:24:15.380 our closest ally in the Middle East. The question is why? Yeah. Well, what is it about Israel? And

01:24:21.800 truly look at America after 9-11. If someone started talking to us about proportionate response,

01:24:26.760 it would not have gone over so well. No. If you were, I said that, uh, if you said this,

01:24:32.020 Megan, on your podcast, Megan Kelly says, well, I support, uh, the Ukrainians, but I, I don't like

01:24:39.460 the cycle of violence and I want them to notify when they have to get near civilian targets. And I want

01:24:47.240 them to respect, uh, the Russian leadership and understand that Putin does not speak for the

01:24:52.140 Russian people. And this is a cycle of violence and we want only proportionate, uh, responses as 1.00

01:24:59.040 we work on a peace process and negotiations. And we want a wide, uh, theater wide ceasefire.

01:25:04.920 I think they would force you off the air. They try to. Yeah. I think you're right. I mean,

01:25:10.180 I think they would have been laughed out of the country if they had said it to us after 9-11,

01:25:14.280 after Pearl Harbor, you know, I mean, there are, there are real reasons to, to understand.

01:25:18.100 Anytime you have a proportionate response. Yeah. Historically, a, a proportionate response

01:25:24.160 leads to deadlock and further death. And if we had said after Pearl Harbor, well, we're going to go

01:25:30.040 hit Yokohama and try to, to destroy six battleships and call it quits. Or we could have said to the

01:25:36.760 Israelis, okay, uh, here's what we're going to let you do. You can take 2,500 gunmen, 0.53

01:25:43.160 go into Gaza and murder, uh, 1200 men, women, women, mutilate them, burn them, and then we'll 0.97

01:25:49.800 stop. That would be a proportion. And that's not how wars end. That's what you said. Yeah. I quoted

01:25:56.540 you the other day. You said, show me the war that has ended after a quote proportionate response.

01:26:02.160 I don't know anything. The civil war did not end when Ulysses S. Grant was outside Richmond

01:26:07.780 and Robert E. Lee was entrenched in Richmond and we had cold Harbor and seven days and all of this

01:26:15.780 bloodletting. And they were both proportionate. One side was trying to get into Richmond. One was

01:26:20.380 dug and it wouldn't let, it ended when William Tecumseh Sherman went down and burned Atlanta.

01:26:24.840 And then he made a swath 150 miles through Savannah and ridiculed and humiliated the Confederacy. And then

01:26:33.200 they said, you've got to stop at Savannah. And he said, no. And he went through South and North

01:26:37.580 Carolina with a hundred thousand of the best soldiers in the world and pulled up behind 0.85

01:26:41.780 Robert E. Lee and said, you want me to do it again? And they surrendered. And that was a

01:26:46.560 disproportionate response. And nobody had ever quite thought he would do that. How can you burn

01:26:51.400 down a plantation and free slaves? And he said, you started it and we finished it. And, you know,

01:26:56.480 he was hated for a hundred years, but he didn't kill a lot of people. I'm not saying that

01:27:00.680 disproportionality means death. It just means using a level of force that gets the attention

01:27:05.940 of the enemy that they're going to lose either now or in the late later, but they're going to lose.

01:27:11.060 And that's how wars end. And it's, and we got the morality all haywire. This is amoral,

01:27:16.300 what we're doing, putting restraints. If you keep restraining Israel and you keep telling them what 0.56

01:27:22.020 they can do and what they can't do, and you treat them like a third world barbaric nation, 0.87

01:27:25.880 rather than a sophisticated constitutional society that just suffered the worst

01:27:30.800 peace, so-called peacetime death in its history. And you keep restraining, then you'll get Hezbollah 1.00

01:27:36.860 to enter on the premise that they're weak and they can't respond. You let them go and have confidence

01:27:42.660 in their humanity and their ability to, to kill the killers. And I have a feeling that Hezbollah won't do 1.00

01:27:49.960 anything, but that's counterintuitive to our purvelling wisdom. Show restraint, find just the

01:27:56.900 radical elements in this jihadist organization, which otherwise is not completely radical.

01:28:03.180 Talk to them, bring in this, that, and I think Iran will make the necessary adjustments when they 0.99

01:28:08.960 see that and it won't be good. Yeah. That's what we've seen so far. Oh, such an interesting

01:28:14.480 discussion. BDH, you're the best. Stand by. More with him on the opposite side of this break.

01:28:19.220 I'm loving, loving his expertise. You, I know you feel the same.

01:28:25.700 We learned today, oh, this is such, so sad, about the fate of a little Israeli girl whose photo went

01:28:32.540 viral after she went missing after the Hamas terror attack on 10-7. Her picture went viral because she was

01:28:38.320 wearing a Harry Potter-inspired costume in the photo. The image was viewed more than 26 million

01:28:44.780 times. It was also shared and commented on by J.K. Rowling, of course, the creator behind Harry

01:28:51.260 Potter. Look at this sweet girl. Her name is Noya Dawn. She was 12 years old and she was on the autism

01:29:00.020 spectrum. According to her family, Israeli defense forces found her body. Oh, alongside her grandmother,

01:29:07.280 close to the Gaza border. She had gone to her grandmother's that day for a sleepover. Before Noya

01:29:13.860 was taken, her mother says she left a voicemail on her phone. Noya described hearing loud explosions.

01:29:20.700 All the windows in grandma's house are broken at the entrance because there was another boom, 0.98

01:29:26.180 Noya could be heard saying in Hebrew before moaning the word, mommy. Oh, my God. That's a lot.

01:29:33.900 That's a lot. These are, Victor, these stories are so heart-wrenching, but they're important to tell,

01:29:40.560 right? Because it's like so easy to get into, we're not getting involved. You know, we're not,

01:29:45.060 this is somebody else's, you know, people go hard. I know you can't be too emotional because you have

01:29:50.080 to make rational decisions, but you know, you have to remind yourself of what Hamas did in order to get 0.93

01:29:56.180 a perspective here. You do. I wish the people on my campus and other campuses would just take a deep

01:30:03.960 breath and say, Gaza was independent. It was autonomous since 2006. It had hundreds of billions

01:30:11.080 of dollars pour in from the Arab Gulf, from Europe, from us, from the UN. It had every opportunity

01:30:19.280 to create Singapore. And in its own charter, it said it would never do that. It was pledged destroying

01:30:26.000 Israel. And then even some of the Hamas people in a very cynical, snide way that were in gutter of

01:30:31.140 all places, safe and affluent, were not going to make a Singapore. We never thought, we fooled the

01:30:35.740 Jews into thinking that we were concentrating on domestic affairs when we weren't. We've been playing 0.66

01:30:41.880 this haha for a year. And how does that translate? It translates into killing people, little girls

01:30:47.600 mutilating. And I wish those protesters would think that when they say the things they do,

01:30:54.080 Palestine to the sea and this and that colony, they're talking about at a time of peace,

01:31:00.920 an autonomous Gaza Strip sent gunmen in to butcher and kill innocent civilians at a holiday and partly

01:31:08.740 at a rock concert, a rave. So they knew people would be innocent and unarmed and young. And then

01:31:15.160 they took like, as if they were Aztec captives going up to Temple Major to be sacrificed, they took

01:31:20.600 captives with them back. It was the most horrific thing I'd ever seen. Yeah. Or you saw or anybody

01:31:26.500 had seen. You're talking about little girls like Noya. That's what you're talking about, little girls

01:31:29.200 like Noya. You're talking about murdering little girls like Noya when you chant that slogan and say

01:31:34.500 your terrible things. And little girls just like her who are right now in Hamas custody,

01:31:40.080 whose pictures are posted even all over the United States, just in an act of desperation

01:31:46.080 to find them. How do you stop that? And people tearing them down, people tearing down

01:31:51.380 the hostage posters. And how do you stop people from doing that? And don't tell me you do it by

01:31:58.320 withdrawing from Gaza and giving them aid and another hundred million, because we've done that.

01:32:05.100 And all people have to do is read the 1988 Hamas charter. And it's all there. And I think the only 0.98

01:32:12.680 good guy, this guy right here, just FYI, this is the Miami dentist, right? That this guy's a Miami

01:32:18.040 dentist, Ahmad El-Kusa on the left. The other guy is Zave Ramul on the right. Ramul is an Instagram

01:32:25.200 model. Ahmed is a dentist pulling down the pictures of the missing. And we've been updated

01:32:34.120 today. Ahmed is no longer working at the dental office. Well, good, good. Thrilled. He lost his

01:32:40.020 job. He's heartless. How would you like to send a Jewish patient into his dental chair? My God. 1.00

01:32:45.740 And Victor, another update on a lunatic on the left, this Mika Tosca, associate professor at the School

01:32:51.940 of the Art Institute of Chicago, one of the best respected design institutes in America.

01:32:56.620 She tweeted out or Instagrammed out an apology for a post she made yesterday. Now I'll just give

01:33:01.840 you a flavor of her apology. Yesterday, I wrote some things on my Instagram story that I unequivocally

01:33:06.360 reject and I do not stand behind. I'm deeply sorry for writing what I wrote and for hurting many people

01:33:11.960 with my words. And I'm especially sorry to Israeli people that I broadly placed at fault for the war.

01:33:17.080 You didn't deserve that. I was wrong. I know my words perpetuated harmful stereotypes.

01:33:22.080 I allowed my reaction to the violence in Israel and Palestine, my reaction to the violence in Israel.

01:33:27.260 Oh, OK, really? And Palestine to take an inappropriate and offensive form. 1.00

01:33:31.760 So what did she post yesterday? Did she post free Palestine? You know, I'm on team Hamas, 1.00

01:33:39.140 which would have been bad enough. No, no. What she posted was.

01:33:42.700 This is the day before. Israelis are pigs, savages, very, very bad people, irredeemable 1.00

01:33:50.540 excrement. The propaganda has been downright evil. After the past week, if your eyes aren't open to

01:33:55.900 the crimes against humanity that Israel's been committing and has committed for decades and will 1.00

01:34:00.040 continue to, then I suggest you open them. It's disgusting and grotesque. May they all rot in hell.

01:34:06.460 Well, she's really sorry for the words she used. She was just a little angry and upset about the

01:34:11.320 violence, I guess, against the Israelis in addition to the Palestinians. It doesn't really sound that

01:34:15.880 way. No, my reactions are twofold. One, the apology came because she was facing some consequences and

01:34:23.480 they think they have a blank check. And whenever they have the slightest bit of pushback, they go

01:34:27.820 hysterical and kind of go full, juicy, small at victim status. That's what she did. If somebody and 0.99

01:34:33.360 nobody had ever said anything, this is what's going to happen to you, she would have never apologized.

01:34:37.640 My other concern is, I know you've talked about it. What is this phenomenon where we have people from 0.99

01:34:43.880 Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan and Egypt and Jordan and Gaza and Palestine, and they are suffering under

01:34:53.240 dictatorship, corruption, sexism, homophobia, you name it, death and destruction. And they come as

01:35:02.240 refugees over to the United States and they get, as they expect, security, freedom, prosperity,

01:35:09.920 first generation, even second generation. And they use that platform and that success and that

01:35:15.280 blanket of security to do what? To champion the very systems and the very tight paradigms that they fled

01:35:23.160 from. So here they have all these people in the safety of America who was a very generous host

01:35:28.700 and invited them or let them come in here. And what are they doing? They're saying,

01:35:32.860 great for the Hamas dictatorship, wonderful for the Palestinian autocracy. Great, great, great. But I 0.99

01:35:40.520 don't want to ever go back there. And I do not ever want to praise the conditions that made it very nice

01:35:46.040 for me. I would never do that. So I want both ways. And I think at some point, we're going to have to

01:35:50.180 say, you know what, the best thing that Donald Trump ever did was slap a travel ban on about eight

01:35:56.200 countries that sponsor terrorism. And we don't have to give you a visa. We do not have to give

01:36:01.340 you a student visa. We would and we should take a hard look because we don't want that type of 1.00

01:36:06.780 hatred imported here. And that hypocrisy to use our magnanimity to espouse hatred. I think we're I

01:36:13.680 think Americans have been out there saying and Ron DeSantis was on our show the other day saying

01:36:18.100 if these protesters, so-called protesters are here protesting in favor of Hamas and they're on

01:36:22.960 student visas. Goodbye. They're being yanked. Go home to the countries you seem to love so much.

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01:36:33.920 Thank you for having me, Megan.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 19, 2023

Israel Prepares, Biden's Aid for Gaza, and ＂Insurrection＂ in DC, with Bethany Mandel, Karol Markowicz, and Victor Davis Hanson ｜ Ep. 651

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