The Megyn Kelly Show - Jack Smith's ＂Election Interference,＂ and Truth About Walz's Abortion Law, with Michael Knowles and Mike Davis ｜ Ep. 905

00:00:00.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.100 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.280 Well folks, it's October in a presidential election year and you know what that means.

00:00:19.520 I mean, everything gets labeled an October surprise, to be honest.

00:00:22.200 This isn't a surprise to me or to anybody following the lawfare against Trump.

00:00:26.400 Since Jack Smith could not get his DC case before a jury prior to election day, the one before the woman who hates him, Judge Chutkin,

00:00:35.980 he decided to lay it out through a paper trial against former President Trump in a new 165-page legal brief.

00:00:46.360 Would you look at this? Look at this thing.

00:00:49.480 These are the little redactions you can see on there, allegedly protecting people's privacy.

00:00:54.820 Honestly, in some ways, this is even better than a trial because it's just Jack Smith's side of the story and no defenses whatsoever.

00:01:04.180 And quotes that may be taken entirely out of context, in fact, appear to be, just to hurt Trump a month before people go to vote.

00:01:14.040 I'm sure this is totally legit and nonpartisan at all.

00:01:17.520 For those keeping score at home, this 165-page legal brief, that's roughly three and a half times longer than the original indictment.

00:01:25.040 And then Judge Chutkin unsealed it yesterday at Jack Smith's request.

00:01:31.120 He was like, it's very important that the public see this.

00:01:34.160 Sure, this is totally about the law case.

00:01:36.900 It has nothing to do with public opinion before people vote.

00:01:42.400 In this brief, Smith's team argues over and over and over again that Trump's scheme was a private criminal effort

00:01:50.540 and resorted to crimes to overturn the election.

00:01:53.920 Can I just tell you something?

00:01:55.140 So, I know I've read through most of it and I've read through 25 articles discussing it and I've listened to podcasts already on it.

00:02:00.520 Like, I know this case.

00:02:02.740 But here's my number one takeaway.

00:02:06.100 Trump behaved terribly after he lost that election.

00:02:10.060 And you've heard me say that from Election Day 2020 all the way forward.

00:02:15.360 You've heard me defend Mike Pence.

00:02:17.400 I know a lot of you disagree with me.

00:02:19.060 That's fine.

00:02:19.780 We can disagree.

00:02:20.440 We often do.

00:02:22.380 But this is a private and a political matter.

00:02:28.100 This is not a criminal matter.

00:02:31.760 And Jack Smith is doing acrobatics, Cirque du Soleil level, to try to make this somehow a crime.

00:02:40.940 And now he unveils this in this dramatic, oh, here it is.

00:02:44.420 It's unsealed.

00:02:45.160 The public must see it before election. 1.00

00:02:46.520 It's the same shit we have seen. 1.00

00:02:50.360 We had an impeachment trial. 1.00

00:02:53.480 We had a primetime, week-long, January 6th, you know, public condemnation trial.

00:03:02.120 We've had January 6th witnesses leading the news on every other news station for years.

00:03:08.380 We've had books written.

00:03:10.100 Like, we know.

00:03:11.860 He behaved badly.

00:03:13.000 Um, all of it lacks any context, and I'm not saying it was at the same level, but lacks any context when it comes to Democratic efforts to overturn elections like Hillary Clinton, Stacey Abrams.

00:03:28.280 There's a long list.

00:03:30.280 This is now just one guy who clearly can't stand Donald Trump and his 165-page reasons why.

00:03:38.580 So, okay, I mean, I did you the solid of listening to the left-wing press this morning, MSNBC and elsewhere, and they're so excited.

00:03:48.380 Like, you didn't learn anything new.

00:03:50.620 This is all stuff you just want to bathe yourself in it more.

00:03:53.780 It just feels so good on you to hear about Trump's tweets and where he was when he sent them.

00:03:58.680 Jack Smith apparently tracked Trump's phone.

00:04:00.780 He got, like, data on where Trump was tweeting from when he was tweeting out certain tweets, and this is the big reveal.

00:04:08.380 He was in the dining room off the Oval Office.

00:04:10.600 Okay, is that going to change the next election?

00:04:15.380 I mean, Jack Smith certainly hopes so.

00:04:17.280 Now, after this thing was unsealed, the Trump campaign spokesman Steve Chung hit back, saying, quote,

00:04:23.920 the release of the falsehood-ridden, unconstitutional J-6 brief immediately following Tim Walz's disastrous debate performance

00:04:32.260 is another obvious attempt by the Harris-Biden regime to undermine American democracy and interfere in this election.

00:04:41.760 That's an interesting point, right, because this is kind of what J.D. Vance did at the debate.

00:04:47.280 Don't lecture me on your commitment to democracy.

00:04:51.500 J.D. took it to a censorship place, saying, you know, given how you love to censor everything and everyone's speech,

00:04:57.280 you're not exactly lovers of the First Amendment or the Bill of Rights, so spare me.

00:05:01.420 And now you have Team Trump saying, this is election interference real-time.

00:05:07.240 You are ceding whatever moral high ground you purported to have. 0.92

00:05:11.620 But they're not dumb over on Team Blue.

00:05:14.540 And they accurately predicted that the media would absolutely love this.

00:05:20.580 Here's just a brief sampling of the headlines.

00:05:22.560 MSNBC.

00:05:23.840 Trump tried to block Jack Smith's immunity brief.

00:05:28.040 It backfired.

00:05:29.840 What?

00:05:30.880 How?

00:05:31.820 How did trying to stop it backfire against him?

00:05:35.040 Politico.

00:05:35.900 Eleven damning details in Jack Smith's new brief in the Trump election case.

00:05:40.220 NBC News.

00:05:41.040 Trump resorted to crimes, quoting, to stay in office after 2020 loss.

00:05:47.060 Jack Smith's team says, hello, we know that that's what Jack Smith's team has said.

00:05:52.880 They've indicted the man on four charges in a federal court, alleging exactly that.

00:05:58.540 We've known that for years now, NBC.

00:06:00.520 ABC, over to ABC, bombshell immunity filing details Trump's alleged increasingly desperate bid to overturn the 2020 election.

00:06:10.600 How is it a bombshell if we'd learn nothing new?

00:06:13.180 Truly, we learn like small, it's like, I have a red sweater on today.

00:06:17.080 It has gold buttons.

00:06:18.440 Okay.

00:06:18.880 It also has flouncy sleeves at the bottom.

00:06:21.540 Okay.

00:06:22.040 What we learned on the next day that it actually had some creases in the cuff.

00:06:26.060 If, yes, you know, film at 11, stop the presses, not exactly.

00:06:33.860 However, it's important for us to understand exactly why they did this, what this is about,

00:06:40.960 and what you need to know when you see your leftist friends over the next 30 plus days,

00:06:45.860 and they wave this thing in your face and tell you, this is a nightmare, and how could you possibly vote for this guy?

00:06:53.520 And so joining me now is Mike Davis to discuss all of that.

00:06:56.220 He's founder and president of the Article 3 Project.

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00:07:56.640 Mike, welcome back to the show.

00:07:58.140 We asked your partner in discussing crime, Dave Ehrenberg, but he is off for the Jewish holiday. 0.97

00:08:04.360 So, Shana Tova, Dave, and you and I will fly as a duo today.

00:08:10.520 What do you make of the fact that Jack Smith thought it was so important?

00:08:13.760 He went to the court and said, please, please at least let me submit something to the public with names redacted so they can read this prior to November 5th.

00:08:23.440 It shows total desperation on the Biden-Kamala Justice Department's part.

00:08:30.820 They waited nearly three years to bring this unprecedented, I would say, bogus indictment against President Trump for the non-crime of objecting to a presidential election, which is allowed by the Electoral Count Act of 1887.

00:08:47.760 They made up four counts against Trump.

00:08:51.440 Two of these counts have been struck down in June by the Supreme Court, but that didn't stop Jack Smith from bringing these counts that the court in Fisher said you can't bring.

00:09:03.300 These obstruction counts against Trump that relate to corporate fraud after Enron that Jack Smith has now weaponized against President Trump.

00:09:12.440 And if you read this document, it's very clear this is a political document.

00:09:16.480 Jack Smith knows that he's not going to be able to get this case tried before November 5th.

00:09:23.100 And so, as you said, Megan, this is trial by paper.

00:09:25.960 This is Jack Smith putting every allegation he can come up with in this 165-page document.

00:09:33.740 Jack Smith knows that Trump can't respond to this.

00:09:37.020 Jack Smith knows this is a one-sided political story, and they're desperate to get this out there.

00:09:42.820 And D.C. Obama judge did gymnastics to allow Jack Smith to do this. 0.62

00:09:49.240 This is an unprecedented thing that they've done, that they've allowed this political document to come out before President Trump, as the defendant, filed a motion to dismiss, which is the regular order.

00:10:01.440 And it just shows that this Biden-Kamala special counsel, Jack Smith, and this D.C. Obama judge, Tanya Chutkin, are political actors who are trying to interfere in the 2024 presidential election, something that they are accusing Trump of doing in 2020 and something they say is now a crime.

00:10:21.800 Yeah, something they indicted Trump for doing.

00:10:24.980 Even Judge Mershon in the New York State business records case against Trump said,

00:10:32.860 I'm going to hold off on the sentencing because I see that there's a presidential election.

00:10:39.860 I mean, you couldn't find a more partisan judge.

00:10:42.360 Even he was like, this is a bridge too far.

00:10:46.100 I know it really would be election interference if I held this sentencing hearing now.

00:10:50.400 But Judge Chutkin, not a qualm, put it out there, Jack Smith, a one-sided document to which Trump cannot reasonably respond within the next three weeks as is due.

00:11:02.100 Even Jack Smith's defenders have been saying there's no question Trump will need an extension.

00:11:06.960 They waited to file this thing.

00:11:08.940 Then they tried to get a hurry-up procedure established in the court.

00:11:14.560 Trump went to the Supreme Court.

00:11:15.820 It slowed it down.

00:11:16.460 And now it's all along.

00:11:18.580 Jack Smith has shown an urgency to get this tried before the election.

00:11:23.620 He doesn't even try to hide it, Mike.

00:11:25.560 How badly he wants voters to have his side of the story before they go to the ballot box,

00:11:32.380 which is one side of the story, all of which comes with a presumption of innocence for Donald Trump.

00:11:39.820 And it just shows you that Jack Smith is the political scud missile that Democrats launch against Republicans.

00:11:50.340 Remember, Jack Smith did this to former Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell.

00:11:54.980 He made up bogus charges of corruption against McDonnell.

00:11:59.720 He won a conviction.

00:12:01.480 That conviction was eventually, years later, overturned by the Supreme Court 8 to nothing.

00:12:06.340 It would have been 9 to nothing, but Justice Scalia passed away, but the political damage was done.

00:12:12.300 They're trying to do the same play here with Jack Smith and President Trump.

00:12:16.640 They know that this case is a dog.

00:12:19.060 They know that two of these four counts have already been struck down by the Supreme Court in the Fisher decision.

00:12:24.980 They know that presidential immunity—

00:12:26.860 But he didn't strip them.

00:12:29.140 That's what's crazy.

00:12:30.520 Two of the courts were struck down in another Supreme Court case,

00:12:33.600 and Jack Smith did not strip them from his case.

00:12:36.800 Yeah, he put them in the superseding indictment, which is just unbelievable.

00:12:40.620 And I mean, it's shameful.

00:12:41.880 And we expect this from Jack Smith because we know his record. 0.99

00:12:45.300 He's a partisan clown, right? 0.93

00:12:46.820 But this D.C. Obama judge, Tanya Shutkin, it's shameful what she's doing 0.96

00:12:51.720 because the Supreme Court in the presidential immunity decision,

00:12:55.640 a 6 to 3 decision in June written by the Chief Justice John Roberts,

00:13:00.440 not exactly a Trump supporter, not wearing MAGA hats, doesn't have Trump signs in his yard.

00:13:05.460 I guarantee you that.

00:13:06.920 He even reprimanded Judge Shutkin for rushing this case,

00:13:12.120 rushing this monumental case of presidential immunity

00:13:15.740 because the Chief Justice understands this is so much bigger than President Trump.

00:13:22.320 This is so much bigger than one election.

00:13:25.020 This is about the presidency.

00:13:26.580 If you can throw a president of the United States in prison for his official acts,

00:13:32.280 you're going to destroy the presidency and therefore destroy our republic.

00:13:37.200 And the Chief Justice understands that.

00:13:39.260 And that hasn't stopped.

00:13:40.540 I mean, this is like the Freddy Krueger case, Megan.

00:13:43.520 They've had both of their arms cut off.

00:13:46.140 They have their eyeballs blown off.

00:13:47.980 They have their leg blown off.

00:13:49.900 And they're just bloody and wounded.

00:13:51.440 But they just keep coming back.

00:13:52.920 It's like Freddy Krueger part part six with this superseding indictment with Tanya Shutkin

00:13:59.040 and Jack Smith.

00:14:00.320 Is it like Jason and Freddy?

00:14:02.740 This like part part 15.

00:14:04.640 This is this case is a dog, but it just won't die.

00:14:09.420 You know what it is, Mike?

00:14:10.360 I mean, I will say it's I mean, it's obviously an attempt to manipulate our feelings in advance

00:14:14.180 of this debate.

00:14:15.020 He's bad.

00:14:15.540 He did bad things.

00:14:16.260 And I as somebody who believes Trump lost.

00:14:21.080 And as I said in the intro, I hated his behavior around J6, but I've gotten past it. 0.99

00:14:26.440 And I'm a lot more worried about our country than that episode of Trump's bad behavior.

00:14:31.380 I really am.

00:14:32.100 I think it's far more egregious and evil to let 20 million illegals into this country to 1.00

00:14:37.840 murder American citizens, rape little girls. 0.99

00:14:40.740 And we could go down the list of all the things than Trump's personality problems around accepting 1.00

00:14:46.400 a loss.

00:14:47.520 But they're trying to tap into people like me who are independent voters.

00:14:54.180 Obviously, I'm in Connecticut, so my vote doesn't really count.

00:14:56.800 But I'm saying like in the swing states, they're trying to remind remind people like me, let's

00:15:01.400 say women in particular who hated the January 6th story, all of it.

00:15:06.280 He's bad.

00:15:07.340 He's bad. 0.99

00:15:08.100 He's bad.

00:15:08.500 None of this has to do with the law or anything he's actually been charged with.

00:15:12.740 The whole case is not really about the law.

00:15:15.960 It's to keep this in the news and try to play on our heartstrings.

00:15:20.460 And, you know, this is why they don't talk about Lake and Riley.

00:15:23.700 They talk about Trump and a mean tweet or some sort of callous behavior.

00:15:29.060 And look at what it's already led to that.

00:15:31.600 We put together a little media montage making the most of this filing.

00:15:36.540 Check this out.

00:15:37.160 Personal, private, criminal interest in that moment.

00:15:41.980 They just cover every single angle of it in a way that it just feels like a straitjacket.

00:15:47.960 It's not, I think, particularly useful or edifying for me to say this, but I'll say it, which is that it did.

00:15:54.060 It did make me enraged at the Supreme Court all over again.

00:15:57.000 I mean, I would recommend saving some rage for their next decision on this very same.

00:16:02.840 Well, that's because, Rachel.

00:16:05.220 But but importantly, when they do that, they will at least be unable to run away from the factual contentions as laid out by Jack Smith. 0.83

00:16:13.540 As I said, metaphorically turn to any page in the Smith filing and treason will fall off the shelf and hit you in the effing head.

00:16:22.240 There may never be a Trump trial because a Trump election would erase the chance of it.

00:16:28.500 And with that would erase the entirety, the entirety of justice in the United States of America.

00:16:34.140 And with that, erase the entirety of the United States of America.

00:16:40.180 Treason and the U.S. of America goes away if you read this and tell me your thoughts on all that, Mike. 1.00

00:16:46.440 It's like watching a therapy session of Trump deranged lunatics. 0.57

00:16:52.120 And what's so funny about watching this is they so desperately want real Americans in real America to actually believe that Trump's the gravest threat to democracy after Biden and Kamala tried to bankrupt Trump, throw him in prison for the rest of his life, take him off the ballot so the American people don't have a choice, take away his Secret Service protection, underfunded twice and almost have him killed twice.

00:17:21.620 And when that all didn't work, they had Kamala Harris, who did not receive one Democrat primary vote in her life for president, got Joe Biden in a bloodless coup and throw out 14 million Democrat primary votes and install Kamala Harris as their nominee. 0.99

00:17:40.960 And they want to lecture Donald Trump and his supporters about democracy.

00:17:44.700 Are you kidding me?

00:17:46.320 Whose mental infirmities she's been covering up and continues to cover up. 0.99

00:17:51.000 You know, I was thinking about it.

00:17:52.760 So maybe they're just genuinely really upset about J6. 0.59

00:17:56.140 Maybe they're just, you know, let's let's go with that.

00:17:59.160 What happened before J6?

00:18:01.100 What happened before the November 2020 election?

00:18:03.640 Were they respectful towards Trump?

00:18:05.500 Did they accept that he won the 16 election and was the rightful president and where they could work with him?

00:18:12.520 Did they write to do?

00:18:13.820 No, they were talking about impeaching him from day one of his presidency.

00:18:19.880 They made up all the Russia BS. 1.00

00:18:22.560 They had the fake impeachment over what Trump calls the perfect phone call with the with Ukraine.

00:18:29.980 They spent the entire four years trying to ruin his presidency and say he had committed impeachable and illegal acts the whole time.

00:18:40.180 So people really need to keep their reaction to what happened on January 6th, which was a very bad, unfortunate protest in perspective.

00:18:49.240 How many very bad, horrible protests have the Democrats foisted on this country over the last four or five years without apology, without any accountability, never mind an impeachment and multiple criminal charges?

00:19:05.280 None.

00:19:06.140 Absolutely none.

00:19:07.300 So all of this is so rich.

00:19:09.000 Having said all that, let's just go through some of the points because they're everywhere.

00:19:12.780 And I'd love to get your take on it as a lawyer.

00:19:16.060 Okay.

00:19:16.660 One of the big reveals is that Jack Smith used forensic data to track Trump's moments in the White House on J6.

00:19:25.400 And the New York Times reporting and the indictment or the brief shows as follows.

00:19:30.860 Trump was sitting alone in the dining room off the Oval Office at the time the riots were unfolding.

00:19:36.300 According to the brief, forensic data shows he was using the Twitter app on his phone and watching Fox News.

00:19:42.560 Trump posted to Twitter that Mr. Pence lacked the courage to do what was right.

00:19:47.820 The mob became enraged at the vice president.

00:19:49.960 Okay, we knew all of this.

00:19:51.460 I guess we didn't know he was in the dining room.

00:19:53.500 And the Secret Service took him to a secure location.

00:19:56.800 An aide to Mr. Trump rushed in to alert him to the peril Mr. Pence was in.

00:20:01.360 But Mr. Trump looked at the aide and said only, so what, according to the brief?

00:20:07.680 All right.

00:20:08.020 So do you want to take that one, Mike?

00:20:09.160 So we have hearsay testimony and President Trump can't respond to it because this is a one-sided document.

00:20:18.560 It's a one-sided political document, 165 pages of one-sided evidence that Trump can't respond to.

00:20:26.480 He can't bring in that aide and cross-examine that aide.

00:20:29.000 He can't bring in his own evidence to know whether it's true or not.

00:20:33.240 And guess what? 0.99

00:20:35.960 It is not a crime to be a jerk, right? 0.99

00:20:40.360 And if it were a crime to be a jerk, I think that just about every politician in Washington, D.C., except for Chuck Grassley, my former boss, the nicest guy in D.C., everyone else, I think, would be in prison if it were a crime to be a jerk. 0.99

00:20:55.060 And so you have to – that's the problem with this whole case. 0.99

00:20:57.600 You have to separate the political and the personal, as you said, Megan, versus what's actually criminal.

00:21:04.160 What did Trump do on January 6th that was criminal?

00:21:08.660 And the answer is nothing unless you have evidence that Trump incited the riot on January 6th.

00:21:16.180 And that evidence does not exist because Jack Smith has not charged him with inciting the riot.

00:21:20.960 Trump did not and could not have committed a crime on January 6th.

00:21:25.060 They offered ditties like this one.

00:21:27.940 Trump mocked Sidney Powell, who was later indicted down in Atlanta.

00:21:32.280 On November 20th, Trump muted his phone while Sidney Powell was talking.

00:21:36.160 Remember, she's the – we're going to bring the Kraken lady who said the Smartmatic voting machines had been hacked, et cetera.

00:21:41.600 And mocked her repeatedly, calling her claims crazy and making a Star Trek reference.

00:21:49.100 Hold on.

00:21:49.860 This typeface is so teeny tiny.

00:21:51.920 I need some help.

00:21:52.500 But Calder claims crazy, made a reference to the science fiction series Star Trek when describing her allegations.

00:21:59.260 He agreed – let's see.

00:22:01.260 He agreed he had not seen anything to substantiate her allegations, I think.

00:22:06.060 All right, so all of this is meant to show us, Mike, that Trump knew he had lost and yet pushed false voting claims, false claims about the voting process.

00:22:17.620 The fact that he thought Sidney Powell was nuts does not disprove that Trump believed he had rightfully won the election.

00:22:25.560 That's the bottom line here.

00:22:28.120 Yeah, that's – I mean, look, Trump still believes he won the election, right?

00:22:33.100 And remember what Democrats did in 2020.

00:22:36.380 They illegally used COVID to change state election laws in violation of the Elections Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

00:22:45.220 They threw out – threw out the election observers, the evidence gatherers, and then said that Trump had no evidence.

00:22:52.380 Well, no kidding.

00:22:53.220 You threw out the evidence gatherers, and then they mass-mailed ballots out to old voter lists, and they got rid of signature verification because somehow COVID changes your signature.

00:23:04.360 So if the Democrats – if the Democrats don't at least concede that the 2020 election was highly irregular, they're not being honest themselves.

00:23:16.060 There is a paragraph in here which says that Trump said to his family in advance of the election that – hold on, I'm trying to get at page 15 – a Trump operative.

00:23:32.400 Again, more hearsay, as was the last paragraph I read, I should – about Sidney Powell.

00:23:37.940 Page 15, a Trump operative who was the assistant to the president and director of Oval Office Ops told investigators he witnessed Trump making an unprompted comment to his family members, most likely wife Melania, daughter Ivanka, and son-in-law Jared Kushner.

00:23:53.180 Quote, it doesn't matter if you won or lost the election.

00:23:56.600 You still have to fight like hell.

00:23:58.700 The brief calls this statement plainly private because if it's an official statement and in his official capacity as president, it's immune, can't be the basis of a claim, and it can't be used as evidence against him per that Supreme Court ruling.

00:24:11.200 Plainly private because it was about the election and delivered to family members.

00:24:14.680 What I said?

00:24:15.280 No, no, that's not true with what Jack Smith said, that that's purely personal because the Supreme Court in the presidential immunity decision said not only can you not use official acts, you can't take evidence from, for example, the deputy White House chief of staff for operations, which is exactly what Jack Smith did there.

00:24:33.680 You can't use that evidence under the Supreme Court's presidential immunity decision.

00:24:38.280 That evidence is not admissible.

00:24:40.340 As and that's the other thing, like about his conversations with Mike Pence, they're trying to get in conversations he had with Mike Pence.

00:24:47.760 If he can't, if you can't get in conversations between the president and his attorney general, which the Supreme Court already ruled, how do you get in conversations between the president and the vice president?

00:24:56.240 That's, it's, it's, it's, it's very interesting.

00:24:59.260 So remember the, the Supreme Court and the Fisher, excuse me, and the presidential immunity decision said that the, that, that, that the justice department, what Trump did with the justice department is absolutely immune.

00:25:13.960 And what President Trump did with his vice president is at least presumptively immune.

00:25:20.640 And Jack Smith didn't even consider that.

00:25:23.640 He just took everything that Trump did with vice president Pence and put it back in his superseding indictment, just like Jack Smith put in the two, the, the two post Enron charges that the Supreme Court and the Fisher decision decision in June said that the, that the government cannot do.

00:25:41.620 So that Jack Smith essentially just ignored the Supreme Court's presidential immunity decision and took, took out the justice department stuff and put in everything else.

00:25:51.980 Yeah.

00:25:52.640 I mean, the fact that he didn't adjust based on Fisher was absolutely outrageous, which said, Hey, that main claim that's been brought against all these J six defendants and the main claim against Trump is not a claim for January six behavior.

00:26:03.560 It's a claim for people like Arthur Anderson that shredded documents while under subpoena in the Enron scandal.

00:26:09.240 It's not about finding some lawmaker or official who behaved badly and didn't perfectly comport with what you wanted him to outside of a congressional hearing that was happening inside the Capitol.

00:26:20.520 But Jack Smith acted like that ruling was never handed down.

00:26:23.620 He'll learn the hard way from the U S Supreme court.

00:26:25.520 It was, this is another situation, Mike, where we've got, okay, what does that mean?

00:26:29.720 Even if it's true.

00:26:30.600 So some witness, some alleged witness overheard a family conversation prior to the election where he said, it doesn't matter if you won or lost the election, you still have to fight like hell.

00:26:39.740 What does that even mean?

00:26:40.860 I don't know what that means.

00:26:42.240 Fight like healthier principles, fight like hell for the unborn fight, like hell for the American people.

00:26:47.240 Even if I'm out of office, this is the problem in having a one-sided brief dropped on us 30 days out.

00:26:54.060 And it's not, it's not a crime to object to the presidential election.

00:26:59.260 And that's, again, if it were a crime, you would have Democrats going to prison for objecting to Republican wins in 1969, 2001, 2005 and 2017.

00:27:11.880 I don't see Al Gore and John Kerry and Hillary Clinton in prison for objecting to Republican wins.

00:27:19.360 Hillary Clinton still says that the 2016 election was stolen from her and she maintains that position eight years later. 0.95

00:27:28.320 She's not being charged for that.

00:27:29.620 Again, what happened on January 6th, it was a lawful protest permitted by the national park service that devolved into a riot.

00:27:39.360 And the problem is, is that Democrats have said it's an insurrection.

00:27:43.940 There's zero evidence of an insurrection.

00:27:46.400 There is zero charge of an insurrection.

00:27:49.540 And so what you have to do on January 6th is there are three categories of people there that who are there.

00:27:54.500 There were people who were there peacefully protesting outside the Capitol.

00:27:58.600 Even if you think they're wrong, even if you think they're crazy, they have an absolute First Amendment right to be there.

00:28:04.460 And then there are people who trespassed and they should be charged with trespass.

00:28:08.400 And then there were people who were violent and they should be charged more harshly.

00:28:12.840 But if you're not going to charge BLM and Antifa rioters who attacked the Portland Federal Courthouse and the White House and caused two billion dollars in damage across America over several months and killed dozens of people.

00:28:26.240 If you're not going to charge left wing rioters, then I don't want to hear their crocodile tears about right wing rioters.

00:28:33.800 Here's the other thing.

00:28:35.240 There's a piece in here that's the quote is make them riot, make them riot.

00:28:40.760 And all these left wing media publications are out there with a sleight of hand suggesting Donald Trump said that.

00:28:49.300 And it's not true.

00:28:50.720 If you look at the actual brief, the prosecutor here, Jack Smith, is describing an effort by Trump operatives to, quote, create chaos.

00:28:58.600 He raises the fracas at the Detroit Counting Center, pointing to evidence.

00:29:04.540 This is via CNN pointing to evidence that a campaign staffer upon learning that a heavy incoming batch of votes leaned Biden asked for options to file litigation.

00:29:17.800 Even if it was, I think, BS is what they they mean.

00:29:22.220 The same campaign operative, not Trump, said make them riot when told that protests at the Counting Center were heading in the direction of the so-called Brooks Brothers riot that disrupted the 2000 Florida count between Gore and George W. Bush.

00:29:38.200 OK, so that's some camp, some rando campaign operatives operative in Detroit.

00:29:44.500 This is not Trump.

00:29:45.380 The headlines, CNBC, quote, make them riot.

00:29:49.560 Trump election case judge unseals special counsel motion on immunity.

00:29:53.440 Deadline, quote, make them riot. 1.00

00:29:55.900 Newly unsealed filing gives new details of federal election conspiracy case against Donald Trump.

00:30:01.420 MSNBC, quote, make them riot. 1.00

00:30:04.180 Jack Smith coup bombshell reveals damning evidence against Trump.

00:30:09.240 No one makes clear.

00:30:11.180 Trump is not accused of saying that.

00:30:12.940 We have no idea who rando campaign operative in Detroit is or whether anything was done as a result of said knuckleheaded comment.

00:30:20.400 And I don't understand how that that supposed evidence would be admissible at all in this case against President Trump.

00:30:29.460 How is it relevant at all to the charges against President Trump in this case?

00:30:34.360 I mean, it's just it seems like it's that Jack Smith and Tanya Shuckin gratuitously put this in this hundred and sixty five page political documents in October before the November 5th election, because it's pretty obvious that they're trying to do political damage to President Trump before the election because they fear American voters on November 5th.

00:30:58.260 One to twenty twenty four.

00:31:00.260 OK, finally, and Andy McCarthy raises in a great piece on our today.

00:31:05.800 Jack Smith is arguing that the public has a right to a speedy trial.

00:31:10.240 In this case, the public has a right to a speedy trial.

00:31:13.840 So we need to go pedal to the metal so the public can extract its justice against Donald Trump.

00:31:20.980 Andy pointing out the public is not the one who holds the right to the speedy trial.

00:31:25.340 We have one right as the public, and it's a right to a trial that is just.

00:31:30.220 That's it.

00:31:30.880 Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's absolutely insane to say that the right to a speedy trial is for the public.

00:31:40.840 It's for the defendants, obviously.

00:31:43.020 Right.

00:31:43.280 It's so the defendants can vindicate his constitutional rights in a speedy manner.

00:31:48.880 It's not so the public can railroad a criminal defendant before an election.

00:31:54.300 Here is just a little bit before we go on the media.

00:31:58.640 First of all, here's Trump on News Nation with just a bit talking about this filing.

00:32:03.600 Satwan.

00:32:05.080 This was a weaponization of government, and that's why it was released 30 days before the election.

00:32:10.840 And it's nothing new in there, by the way.

00:32:12.420 Nothing new.

00:32:13.380 They rigged the election.

00:32:14.880 I didn't rig the election.

00:32:15.800 They should have never allowed the information to be to come before the public.

00:32:20.940 But they did that because they want to hurt you with the election.

00:32:24.300 It's pure election interference.

00:32:26.420 OK, so that's Trump kind of repeating what Steve Chung said.

00:32:31.580 And then I've got two more for you.

00:32:33.540 Here is Paula Reid.

00:32:36.700 Who is she? 0.99

00:32:37.460 She's CNN. 0.54

00:32:38.140 She's CNN, isn't she?

00:32:40.040 Out there talking about how CBS.

00:32:42.780 I can't keep them.

00:32:43.560 They're all the same.

00:32:44.300 But she's she's CNN. 0.97

00:32:45.900 OK, she's this.

00:32:47.980 Here's where her head is today and her worries about this document.

00:32:51.500 If former President Trump is reelected, this case is expected to be dismissed by his attorney

00:32:56.560 general.

00:32:56.960 So the idea of releasing a long narrative like this from prosecutors, highly unusual.

00:33:02.680 Now, look, there's no precedence for this.

00:33:04.180 I mean, this is just this is just such an extraordinary circumstance.

00:33:06.880 I think that this is absolutely going to be used again in the court of public opinion to

00:33:11.800 once again try to frame the former president as a murder or a victim of the justice system.

00:33:17.000 And this is definitely the last opportunity that voters have to see what prosecutors gathered

00:33:23.060 in this multi year investigation.

00:33:25.860 It's going to be used to frame him as a martyr.

00:33:30.840 And CNN is concerned about it, Mike.

00:33:33.720 Well, I mean, I have been doing this for the last two years, 4000 media hits, explaining

00:33:40.220 to the public that this is a politicized and weaponized justice system against President

00:33:46.460 Trump.

00:33:47.080 His top aides like Steve Bannon, who's in prison right now, Peter Devaro, who went to prison.

00:33:52.000 They went after his attorneys, John Eastman, Jeffrey Clark, Rudy Giuliani.

00:33:55.920 They went after his supporters on January 6th.

00:33:58.880 They persecuted his supporters.

00:34:00.340 And that is very clear in the Supreme Court's June Fisher decision, where they illegally politicized

00:34:06.620 and weaponized a post in run obstruction of justice statute intended for corporate fraud

00:34:12.060 to go after their political enemies.

00:34:14.220 Right.

00:34:14.460 And so I'm glad the American people are tuning in to this.

00:34:19.020 I do think that this is going to backfire and backfire badly.

00:34:23.360 And Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's faces before the election, because I think this document,

00:34:29.240 I think the American people see that this is one hundred and sixty five page political

00:34:33.060 document.

00:34:33.820 It is clearly election interference.

00:34:35.400 And I think the public understands this is lawfare and election interference.

00:34:40.380 And I think they resent this.

00:34:42.580 You know, I'll just say this in closing.

00:34:45.220 Even though a lot of us have concerns about the behavior around J6, look at what's happened 1.00

00:34:51.420 to the country since then.

00:34:52.980 Look at our dear country and what this current administration has put us through.

00:34:58.620 And they want four to more eight years in control.

00:35:01.380 There will be no more southern border.

00:35:03.800 There'll be no more America as we knew it. 0.95

00:35:05.900 If we can't handle another 20 million illegals. 1.00

00:35:08.080 And if you don't think they're going to lift that Biden executive order that was put in 0.94

00:35:11.900 place in June to try to cut down on these so-called asylum seekers, you're crazy. 0.99

00:35:16.200 Why would he leave the border open for three and a half years only to close it June before

00:35:19.460 the November election?

00:35:20.640 He just did that to cover his you know what?

00:35:23.120 It's going to be lifted if she wins. 1.00

00:35:25.620 And I feel the way this guy Gordon Sondland feels, who wasn't just upset about January 6th.

00:35:33.780 He actually was a former Trump impeachment witness.

00:35:37.140 He's the former EU ambassador, and he went on MSNBC with Ari Melber today, who seemed

00:35:45.900 to be expecting former Ambassador Sondland to say something very different about Trump,

00:35:50.900 given his past testimony against him.

00:35:53.100 But here's what happened instead.

00:35:55.760 Why was it important for you to say no more Trump because of his January 6th conduct?

00:35:59.700 And do you stand by that?

00:36:01.140 No, I don't stand by it.

00:36:02.220 And I'll tell you why.

00:36:03.080 I've now lived four years under the Biden-Harris policies, and I have to say that those policies

00:36:11.480 are not only becoming an existential threat to our country's way of life, but to our allies

00:36:19.460 as well.

00:36:20.400 So when you and it has to, this is, no, no, I'll let you finish, but this is so striking.

00:36:25.140 You said it was a no for me after that, January 6th, and here we are right now.

00:36:30.100 I did.

00:36:30.520 And you're saying it's a yes for you.

00:36:31.800 It is a yes for me.

00:36:33.100 It is an absolute yes for me.

00:36:34.500 That is how badly the Biden-Harris team have prosecuted their job.

00:36:40.820 But the whole point you seem to be making was that January 6th and that kind of attack

00:36:46.120 on democracy is bigger than any policy.

00:36:48.600 But I am seeing so many attacks on democracy that eclipse January 6th.

00:36:54.200 That's the thing, Mike.

00:36:56.500 We're kind of ignoring that we could maybe be on the brink of another world war today thanks

00:37:05.300 to the administration that's now in power.

00:37:07.980 And somebody thinks it's going to get better with Kamala Harris at the helm for another four

00:37:13.720 years.

00:37:14.160 I mean, we're just waiting to see what's going to happen between Israel, our closest ally

00:37:18.700 in the Middle East, and Iran, which may be weeks away from a nuclear bomb.

00:37:23.440 Like, this is, I think, what he was referring to there as the former ambassador to the EU.

00:37:29.120 There are personal grievances and things you may not like about both candidates.

00:37:33.600 You have to think about what is best for this country.

00:37:37.820 I'll give you the last word.

00:37:39.760 Yeah, so Joe Biden put Kamala Harris in charge of our border, and she let in over 20 million 0.73

00:37:45.860 illegal immigrants, unvetted and unvettable fighting age men from the world's most problematic 1.00

00:37:53.420 places in the world.

00:37:54.520 We have the resulting chaos, the resulting migrant crime. 1.00

00:37:58.540 She was also the tie-breaking vote in the Senate on Bidenomics.

00:38:03.600 That caused this crushing inflation.

00:38:07.180 This migration policy, this inflation, is harming real Americans and real America.

00:38:15.140 And then Biden and Kamala sent billions of dollars to Iran.

00:38:20.340 Trump had Iran on the ropes.

00:38:23.260 Biden and Kamala sent Iran billions of dollars.

00:38:25.660 We saw October 7th, the most horrific terrorism imaginable.

00:38:30.400 And now you have Iran launching ballistic missiles at Israel.

00:38:35.520 This is on Kamala.

00:38:36.700 We cannot take four more years of Kamala Harris.

00:38:40.220 We will not have a country.

00:38:41.960 She will replace Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court, maybe Sam Alito. 0.73

00:38:46.820 And it is game over America.

00:38:49.080 There goes our God-given rights to speak, worship, associate, and protect ourselves.

00:38:53.740 Everything is on the line on November 5th.

00:38:56.080 So, Mike Davis, thank you.

00:38:58.740 Great to see you.

00:39:00.160 Thank you.

00:39:02.320 You know, one other thing I wanted to say to the audience is, for those of you who need

00:39:07.260 a little comfort on the Trump thing, that behavior is highly unlikely to reoccur for many

00:39:14.320 reasons.

00:39:14.680 Um, number one, Trump is term limited.

00:39:18.340 He, notwithstanding the musings of Rachel Maddow, there's no Trump stays in office forever.

00:39:23.720 And he knows that, you know, he's going to be considerably older at the end of a second

00:39:28.240 term if he gets one.

00:39:29.720 And he, the second important piece of it is there will be no lawfare hanging over him

00:39:34.740 that he has to stay.

00:39:36.140 It's not like a Putin situation, you know, where you're going to get killed or prosecuted

00:39:39.000 if you, if you leave office, the, the New York case is over, but for the sentencing and

00:39:44.660 at, I really don't think he's getting jail time.

00:39:47.120 And even if he does get jail time, this whole thing is probably going to be reversed on appeal.

00:39:51.180 It's been gutted that case too, by the Supreme court ruling on immunity.

00:39:54.560 The whole trial is going to have to be done over.

00:39:56.680 I mean, they introduced Hope Hicks.

00:39:58.440 They introduced all sorts of evidence that they argued in their, in their own closing,

00:40:01.960 the prosecutors did was crucial to the case, citing his official conduct in office.

00:40:07.340 That now has to be thrown out per that U S Supreme court ruling on immunity that was improper.

00:40:12.840 So that case is not a threat to Donald Trump.

00:40:15.200 And the only other state case against him is the Fannie Willis case, which is in tatters.

00:40:21.160 That case is up on appeal.

00:40:22.680 As you know, her disqualification or the failure to DQ her, she's going to get DQ'd. 1.00

00:40:26.520 I really don't have much doubt about it.

00:40:28.500 And there's not going to be another prosecutor willing to bring it that the Atlanta case is

00:40:32.020 done or about to be done.

00:40:33.980 So you've got the two federal cases.

00:40:35.500 The Mar-a-Lago case has been thrown out down in, uh, Florida because of the documents

00:40:41.040 case, because Jack Smith wasn't properly appointed.

00:40:43.840 And then there's the January 6th case, which is peddled to the metal, but it's been gutted

00:40:48.280 whether Jack Smith knows it or not.

00:40:49.600 But the point is if Trump has won in this imaginary scenario that I'm going through, he's already

00:40:53.920 stopped those cases because he's pulled the DOJ off of both of them and now they're done.

00:40:57.360 So what reason would he have to say, I'm never leaving, I'm never leaving power.

00:41:02.220 He's not going to be afraid of, let's take it worst case scenario for Trump, like 30 days

00:41:08.280 in jail in New York is going to make him, that's just none of that.

00:41:12.100 That's a left-wing fantasy. 0.98

00:41:14.500 It's like Trump trauma, trauma porn. 0.96

00:41:18.240 And, um, the one down in Florida is done.

00:41:20.640 So, and the one down in Atlanta, as I said, is probably done.

00:41:23.300 So anyway, I'm, I'm saying this because I am not, as you know, like a diehard MAGA person.

00:41:31.200 I, I describe myself as adjacent because I like the policies and I like the people, but I,

00:41:36.620 you know, I see the flaws in Trump.

00:41:38.480 I am not, you know, I, I, I, I'm able to see Trump clearly flaws and pluses.

00:41:46.380 So these are the things I think about.

00:41:48.500 Is it, is it possible he would do something like this?

00:41:50.540 Do I need to worry about this?

00:41:52.060 Do I want to be responsible about my vote?

00:41:53.980 Would it be irresponsible to cast a vote for somebody who did what he did?

00:41:56.840 And this is where I've legitimately gotten to.

00:41:59.760 So for those of you who are out there thinking about it, the way I think about it, that's

00:42:03.740 why I offer my own take.

00:42:05.980 Thank you.

00:42:06.880 Uh, up next, Michael Knowles is here and there's a lot to get to with him.

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00:43:15.660 After the Biden-Harris administration spent billions helping migrants who illegally cross

00:43:24.860 the southern border, FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, is going broke.

00:43:30.400 Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said yesterday the agency does not have enough

00:43:34.940 funding to make it through the hurricane season.

00:43:38.280 But according to a study by the Federation for American Immigration Reform, illegal immigration

00:43:42.320 cost U.S. taxpayers about $150 billion in 2023, and even more than that in the neighboring

00:43:53.260 year.

00:43:54.160 The group said this amounted to about $1,100 per American taxpayer.

00:44:00.620 Meantime, Vice President Kamala Harris traveled to Augusta, Georgia yesterday, one of the hardest

00:44:04.100 hit areas, announcing the feds will be providing hurricane victims with relief.

00:44:09.560 ASAP.

00:44:10.400 What are they getting?

00:44:11.020 A one-time payment of $750.

00:44:15.720 Okay.

00:44:16.860 For essential items like food, water, and baby formula.

00:44:21.800 Victims eventually will be allowed to apply for other federal aid after filing all the

00:44:26.900 proper paperwork.

00:44:27.960 They don't even have pens.

00:44:28.980 Their houses are underwater, but okay.

00:44:31.280 Did all the migrants have to file a ton of paperwork to get their aid?

00:44:35.660 Nearly a week after the hurricane hit, the devastation remains widespread and awful, especially in hard-hit

00:44:44.320 North Carolina.

00:44:45.680 This is Lake Lure.

00:44:47.560 Debris covers what used to be the waterfront with homes destroyed in the background.

00:44:51.880 Just devastation.

00:44:52.840 Just rubble.

00:44:53.480 This is an image inside of one woman's home.

00:44:57.080 Look at this.

00:44:57.780 Furniture absolutely destroyed.

00:45:00.280 The home ceiling, gone.

00:45:02.080 Mud covering every inch of the floor.

00:45:04.300 This is a home in Morgantown.

00:45:06.080 The sides of the house, the roof, the front door, gone.

00:45:09.340 What is this?

00:45:10.360 This looks like one of those kids' homes that, like, the dog attacked.

00:45:14.320 Nothing left to it.

00:45:15.280 According to local media, thousands of people in North Carolina are still without power,

00:45:21.040 many of them stranded without access to medical help.

00:45:24.160 Some helicopter pilots, private, have taken it upon themselves to rescue people who are

00:45:29.640 stranded, and that has ticked some of them off.

00:45:33.180 They're wondering where the government is.

00:45:36.160 Jonathan Howard is a Florida state guardsman who is helping a nonprofit rescue people.

00:45:41.860 He says he helped save an 11-day-old premature baby and an 87-year-old woman in need of oxygen.

00:45:49.480 Take a listen.

00:45:50.900 I'm going to tell you everything that's happening from the ground, what I'm actually seeing, 0.99

00:45:54.700 because what they're telling you is complete bullshit on the news, 1.00

00:45:57.300 and these politicians don't have a fucking flu in their life. 1.00

00:45:59.380 If I have helicopters, I can save lives. 1.00

00:46:02.500 Without helicopters, I can't reach these people.

00:46:05.120 I am literally flying around in a civilian helicopter looking for SOS messages

00:46:10.280 carved in the mud or painted on the ground.

00:46:12.780 Yesterday, me and my team did the rescue of that 11-day-year-old baby.

00:46:18.140 And all these government officials and social media, they're showing that video,

00:46:22.660 that pictures and video of that rescue and claiming that they have some government helped with that.

00:46:30.240 Without that civilian, that baby would be dead. 1.00

00:46:33.200 And the old lady we went and rescued after that, she'd be dead too,

00:46:36.100 because she had one day left of oxygen.

00:46:37.740 I will tell you, when we go up in the air, I probably see 40 civilian helicopters,

00:46:42.480 and I might see two Blackhawks, National Guard, military, whatever they are.

00:46:46.840 Nobody wants to coordinate with anybody.

00:46:48.560 Everybody wants to pretend like they're being the hero, 0.99

00:46:50.760 while these people are literally fucking dying in the mountains. 0.99

00:46:53.000 But they are literally allowing these people to fucking die in the mountains right now, 0.99

00:46:56.740 because we can't get helicopters. 0.99

00:46:59.000 They got money for everything else in the fucking world right now. 0.98

00:47:01.820 So I hope this video goes viral. 1.00

00:47:03.660 I hope these politicians get fired.

00:47:05.280 I hope people get pissed off.

00:47:06.420 Well, thank you to Jonathan Howard for posting that and keeping America informed.

00:47:12.520 Joining me now, Michael Knowles, host of The Michael Knowles Show with The Daily Wire.

00:47:16.600 Michael, great to see you.

00:47:17.900 It's really galling.

00:47:18.980 I mean, by one estimate that I read in The Federalist today,

00:47:22.000 we have taken over $1 billion in our tax money out of FEMA and used it for services for illegals.

00:47:30.520 $364 million in 23, $650 million in 24, reports The Federalist,

00:47:35.640 to the Shelter and Services Program to, quote,

00:47:38.560 provide humanitarian services to non-citizen immigrants following their release from DHS.

00:47:46.480 They unlimited coffers when it comes to people who are not American. 0.71

00:47:50.360 For the people in North Carolina, $750 per home, which are in absolute devastation,

00:47:56.740 tatters, ruins today.

00:47:58.580 Your thoughts?

00:47:59.540 San Diego took $20 million from FEMA to build a migrant welcome center.

00:48:05.440 As if the resources that were already being given to the illegal aliens were not enough, 0.95

00:48:10.560 they need a big center. 0.97

00:48:11.500 Maybe they'll build a nice bouncy castle, too.

00:48:13.900 I don't know.

00:48:14.460 Maybe they'll get a snow cone machine or something, $750 to American citizens.

00:48:20.000 Of course, there's one town that probably will receive a fair bit of attention in rebuilding.

00:48:25.760 That is Asheville, North Carolina, because that's where the Democrats live.

00:48:29.200 And so already you're seeing a little bit more of an effort there to rebuild.

00:48:32.580 But the rest of these people, especially people who are more likely to be Republican or conservative,

00:48:38.560 people who don't necessarily check the politically advantageous boxes for Democrats,

00:48:43.680 they're going to be completely overlooked.

00:48:45.680 And if the media and the federal government have their way,

00:48:49.600 people won't even be talking about this two months from now.

00:48:52.820 You know, people may think that you're being too harsh,

00:48:56.400 but the federalists actually went to FEMA's website and pulled its priority list.

00:49:01.800 And the top two are, one, instilling equity as a foundation of emergency management.

00:49:10.060 And number two, leading the whole of community in climate resilience.

00:49:16.440 This is a woke agency that cares about the illegal immigrants.

00:49:22.420 And yeah, maybe they do care about the Democrats in Asheville.

00:49:24.800 But for the more than likely red staters in very rural North Carolina, 0.98

00:49:31.060 we'll see how quickly they restore and make sure they have paths.

00:49:36.100 I'm sorry, but, you know, to voting machines and back to civilization.

00:49:40.560 I hate to think that they're that crass and cruel.

00:49:43.300 But when you list your top priority as equity, which we all know what that,

00:49:47.160 it doesn't include Republican voters at all.

00:49:49.740 It's matter.

00:49:50.820 It's a cause for concern.

00:49:51.680 Of course.

00:49:53.280 And now Mayorkas is saying that FEMA's out of money won't get through the rest of hurricane season.

00:49:58.480 So what's going to happen is the Democrats in Congress are going to say that we need to give

00:50:02.580 more money to FEMA or the heartless Republicans don't care about disaster relief. 0.99

00:50:07.280 Disaster relief that the Democrats have not delivered and the funds for which they've

00:50:12.540 completely frittered away on non-American citizens. 0.58

00:50:15.240 I don't even begrudge illegal aliens some basic supplies. 0.97

00:50:18.060 I wish that our elected officials would secure the border and stop importing unvetted foreigners 1.00

00:50:23.700 into the country, including lots of murderers.

00:50:25.420 But I don't even begrudge them.

00:50:27.040 However, there is an order to charity here.

00:50:29.580 And it is it is disordered for you to starve your family while feeding a family down the road.

00:50:33.800 It is disordered for politicians to ignore their own citizens, their own constituents,

00:50:39.000 and give everything away to foreign nationals.

00:50:41.560 Not to mention what we've given to Ukraine.

00:50:45.680 Stand by.

00:50:46.380 Michael Knowles stays with me for the show.

00:50:48.540 We'll be right back.

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00:51:51.940 So, Michael, we've officially gotten the ratings in for the vice presidential debate.

00:52:00.820 They were at about 43 million across the 15 networks.

00:52:05.940 That's not great.

00:52:07.840 In 2020, the Pence-Harris debate was 60 million.

00:52:11.500 Four years earlier, Pence-Tim Kaine was 37 million.

00:52:16.320 Can you blame them?

00:52:17.260 Uh, the Biden-Ryan debate, uh, in 2012 had 51 million and the all-time most watched vice

00:52:24.620 presidential debate was Biden versus Sarah Palin in 2008. 0.75

00:52:29.560 70 million.

00:52:31.220 Watch that because there was such a fascination with her.

00:52:34.520 So 43 million, not, not great, but nothing to shake a stick at in terms of, you know, number

00:52:39.840 of Americans tuning in.

00:52:41.300 And the fallout continues for Tim Walls on the disastrous performance he delivered in

00:52:47.880 particular when it comes to his self-described knuckleheaded behavior, which was just his

00:52:55.420 latest in a series of lies. 0.67

00:52:57.780 The reason he resorted to, I'm a knucklehead, was he got confronted with his latest lie that's

00:53:04.800 been on earth.

00:53:05.400 There's a long list of them.

00:53:07.260 This one was that he was in China when the Tiananmen Square disaster unfolded, when hundreds

00:53:12.520 of people were killed.

00:53:13.740 You know whether you were in a place where hundreds of people are being massacred by their government

00:53:17.500 when it happens.

00:53:18.940 But he continues to try to say like, oh, gee, I was just kind of confused.

00:53:22.640 You know, that happened in May and I was there in August, but I just, I guess I just

00:53:26.020 imagined that I was there, whatever.

00:53:27.960 So he got asked about that debate moment where he completely melted down on Wednesday in Pennsylvania.

00:53:34.920 And here's how he handled it.

00:53:37.680 Look, I have my dates wrong.

00:53:39.480 I was in Hong Kong and China in 1989.

00:53:45.080 That, that move from Hong Kong into China, it was profound for me.

00:53:50.160 That was the summer of democracy.

00:53:51.880 I said, it's where I understood how sacred democracy was.

00:53:54.600 It's what encouraged me, about 15 back and forth with my students, taking them to China.

00:54:01.300 I speak like everybody else speaks.

00:54:04.220 I need to be clearer.

00:54:05.860 I will tell you that.

00:54:06.640 But here's my whole point on that thing with China.

00:54:08.900 I do understand China a hell of a lot better than Donald Trump.

00:54:13.400 Kamala Harris understands China.

00:54:15.440 My clarity to take away from the message is something I want to be very clear.

00:54:18.360 August of 89 into Hong Kong, into China, 15 times with students to try and do this.

00:54:24.860 My point being on this, Kamala Harris and I understand American jobs are more important

00:54:29.900 than where Donald Trump tried to save Chinese jobs.

00:54:31.980 Okay, so once again, the excuse for his lies, Michael, is I speak like everybody else.

00:54:39.980 I, this is not the first time he's done this.

00:54:43.100 I lie like everyone.

00:54:44.780 Everyone lies.

00:54:46.020 I'm not the only one.

00:54:46.980 It's really what he's telegraphing.

00:54:48.360 Remember the interview with Dana Bash, where the issue of his stolen valor was brought up for two minutes?

00:54:54.020 Watch, remember?

00:54:55.940 You said that you carried weapons in war, but you have never deployed, actually, in a war zone.

00:55:02.540 A campaign official said that you misspoke.

00:55:05.000 Did you?

00:55:05.980 Well, first of all, I'm incredibly proud.

00:55:08.300 I've done 24 years of wearing the uniform of this country.

00:55:11.400 Equally proud of my service in a public school classroom, whether it's Congress or the governor.

00:55:16.600 My record speaks for itself, but I think people are coming to get to know me.

00:55:20.460 I speak like they do.

00:55:21.960 I speak candidly.

00:55:23.120 I wear my emotions on my sleeves, and I speak especially passionately about our children being shot in schools and around guns.

00:55:31.840 So I think people know me.

00:55:33.400 They know who I am.

00:55:34.280 They know where my heart is, and again, my record has been out there for over 40 years, to speak for itself.

00:55:40.900 And the idea that you said that you were in war, did you misspeak as the campaign has said?

00:55:46.840 I said we were talking about, in this case, this was after a school shooting, the ideas of carrying these weapons of war.

00:55:52.180 And my wife, the English, she told me my grammar is not always correct.

00:55:55.640 The excuses with this guy for his lies, Michael.

00:56:02.500 It's amazing to me that he continues with this, and people aren't now just referring to him as pathological.

00:56:07.600 Your thoughts?

00:56:07.960 His grammar is not always correct.

00:56:10.180 Like when he's diagramming those sentences in the first grade, he accidentally mixed up the part where you're supposed to say, I never served in combat.

00:56:18.460 And he substituted the one where he said, I did serve in combat.

00:56:21.740 I was at Tiananmen Square.

00:56:23.700 My wife and I used IVF to conceive our child.

00:56:26.900 I mean, the real takeaway from this is, one, Tim Walz's low opinion of people.

00:56:33.720 He says that everyone's a cynical liar. 0.94

00:56:35.640 And in his defense, most of the people around him probably are cynical liars. 0.97

00:56:39.880 The establishment media, the Democrat politicians. 0.86

00:56:42.520 And he's very practiced in this himself.

00:56:45.680 The other big takeaway, though, and it's where I have a little sympathy for the guy, maybe not empathy, but sympathy for the guy, is he has no good answer here.

00:56:54.220 Because people very rarely lie a little bit.

00:56:59.140 People very rarely lie about one thing and never about anything else.

00:57:03.640 Either you're an honest person or you're not an honest person.

00:57:06.120 Either you endeavor to be honest or you endeavor to deceive people.

00:57:11.360 And so people do sometimes have a slip of the tongue.

00:57:13.920 But that's not what's going on with Tim Walz here.

00:57:15.840 In that first clip that you played, Megan, Tim Walz, and he lies so much this wasn't even really noticed, he cops to another lie he's told.

00:57:24.080 He's previously said that he's visited China 30-plus times.

00:57:27.640 He said he's visited China on another occasion dozens of times.

00:57:30.980 There, you heard him say that he's visited China 15 times.

00:57:34.080 I don't know if he even knows how many times he's visited China.

00:57:37.300 I don't know that he can any longer discern between truth and falsehood.

00:57:42.240 He lies with ease, and there's a great deal of wisdom to the old idiom, what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive.

00:57:50.260 He can't keep up with his own lies.

00:57:52.160 And so he totally burned down on stage.

00:57:54.920 He's dissembling there in front of the press now that certain uncomfortable questions are being asked.

00:57:59.640 If just so that the press can maintain even a shred of credibility.

00:58:03.860 But for the people who are criticizing his answers, what else is he going to say?

00:58:07.940 The guy's lied about all the most important things in his life.

00:58:10.640 He's lied for decades, and he continues to lie today.

00:58:14.100 What's he supposed to say other than, whoopsie-daisy, you can't trust me? 0.83

00:58:18.180 He's a serial fabulist.

00:58:21.460 He lied about being a retired command sergeant major, which is a post he only held temporarily and didn't actually earn.

00:58:28.000 He's not allowed to call himself that.

00:58:29.580 He lied about carrying a weapon in war.

00:58:31.820 He carried a weapon, presumably as a National Guardsman, but he never went to war.

00:58:35.820 He lied about the IVF thing when he'd only had IUI.

00:58:38.880 His wife had had IUI, which is a totally different procedure.

00:58:41.560 He lied about getting a commendation from the Nebraska Chamber of Commerce, which wasn't true.

00:58:45.780 Now he lies about going to China 30 times when, in fact, it was half that, 15, which he was forced to admit when the Minnesota public radio folks called him up to say,

00:58:55.000 where's the evidence that it was 30?

00:58:56.620 And his campaign, after weeks of delaying, had to admit it wasn't 30.

00:58:59.900 Now it's only 15.

00:59:00.920 Now you hear him saying that.

00:59:02.400 He lied about being in China when Tiananmen Square happened.

00:59:07.020 And it appears he even lied about his son witnessing a school shooting, a shooting, which it was a comment he made when they were discussing school shootings at the vice presidential debate on Tuesday night.

00:59:22.580 That's what the subject was, the school shootings.

00:59:24.300 And this is where Tim Walsh took it.

00:59:27.220 A lot of people, I'm going to confess, members of my own team, people I was with, were like, I don't believe it.

00:59:33.780 Because he does embellish over and over again.

00:59:37.000 And it appears this was yet another instance of it.

00:59:39.760 Here's what he said, and then we'll do the fact check.

00:59:42.480 Well, I think all the parents watching tonight, this is your biggest nightmare.

00:59:45.880 Look, I got a 17-year-old, and he witnessed a shooting at a community center playing volleyball.

00:59:52.680 Those things don't leave you.

00:59:54.040 As a member of Congress, I sat in my office, surrounded by dozens of the Sandy Hook parents, and they were looking at my 7-year-old picture on the wall.

01:00:03.380 Their 7-year-old were dead.

01:00:04.760 And they were asking us to do something.

01:00:06.700 And look, I'm a hunter.

01:00:08.240 I own firearms.

01:00:09.560 The vice president is.

01:00:10.760 We understand that the Second Amendment is there.

01:00:13.520 But our first responsibility is to our kids, to figure this out.

01:00:16.960 Senator?

01:00:17.700 Tim, first of all, I didn't know that your 17-year-old witness is shooting.

01:00:20.480 I'm sorry about that.

01:00:21.420 And I appreciate it.

01:00:22.460 Christ have mercy.

01:00:23.740 It is awful.

01:00:26.820 Well, it turns out, Paul Sperry at Real Clear Politics tweeted this out first, that the son was inside the community center when this happened.

01:00:35.300 It was a shooting that occurred outside the community center.

01:00:39.140 And it, not for nothing, but it had nothing to do with a school shooting.

01:00:42.100 It was two people involved in some sort of a workplace dispute around the community center.

01:00:46.700 There's just a constant need to embellish, to make it more than it was, so that it makes Tim Walls look better, or like he can relate more to an issue.

01:00:58.360 It's a problem.

01:00:59.360 Megan, you know, I think you're being a little nice to Tim Walls here, okay?

01:01:05.600 Embellishment is when you say 50,000 people came to my rally, and it was really 47,000.

01:01:10.380 When you say I was in Tiananmen Square when you weren't, when you say my wife and I used IVF when you didn't, when you say I carried weapons in war and you never went to war in a combat zone, you know, it's just a lie.

01:01:23.340 The guy just lies, and I thought what J.D. Vance did there was so brilliant.

01:01:27.400 His whole debate performance was absolutely magnificent, and I thought in tone, in substance, he was just right on the money.

01:01:35.100 What he did there, though, I thought was so brilliant, which was he didn't question Tim Walls' story, which he would have been totally justified in doing because Walls has lied about so much else.

01:01:44.180 He just doesn't have any credibility, but he didn't question the story, he didn't appear insensitive, he didn't appear aggressive, he just called attention to it.

01:01:50.980 You heard he said, wow, Tim, I didn't know that your 17-year-old son witnessed a school shooting.

01:01:57.340 You know, Christ have mercy, that's so awful.

01:02:00.340 And then he moved on and made his point, which flagged that.

01:02:03.120 It made that moment unmissable.

01:02:06.920 So when the fact checks inevitably came out, they would point out that once again, Tim Walls is lying.

01:02:12.640 And this is really disturbing, because everybody, sometimes we exaggerate, we engage in a little hyperbole, and sometimes people tell lies.

01:02:20.280 And then, you know, if you have a conscience about it, then maybe you go confess your lies, you feel bad about it, you apologize for it.

01:02:26.440 But when people engage in the kind of pathological dishonesty that Tim Walls has done, that is a big red flag.

01:02:36.020 That's not different in degree from saying, my crowd sizes are bigger.

01:02:41.040 That's different in kind.

01:02:42.880 That is engaging in a kind of fraud and deception that should send a chill down the spine of anybody who might be living under a government in part run by this guy.

01:02:53.280 It's really disturbing, because he mentions the son as the amount of damage that is done to a child who witnesses something like a school shooting or a shooting at a community center would qualify to.

01:03:07.480 It would be something that you'd definitely remember if he had said, my son witnessed the murder of another person.

01:03:14.260 My God, what?

01:03:15.540 I mean, that's a very small slice of the American populace who's actually witnessed something like this.

01:03:20.180 And the careful parent, responsible politician, would say, my son witnessed the aftermath of one of these things, and that was bad enough.

01:03:30.640 And then you would stick with the actual trauma he claims to have sat with the Newtown families.

01:03:35.400 He claims that one of the students who was involved in the Parkland shooting, David Hogg, is a close friend of his.

01:03:42.780 You would stick with people like that and say, I've spoken with kids who were in these schools or family members who lost kids in these schools.

01:03:50.420 That kind of trauma doesn't heal, whatever.

01:03:52.740 But you would not inject your own child in it and try to attribute that trauma directly to him on something it appears he did not witness.

01:04:01.680 Now, maybe there's a scenario, Michael, that comes out in which his son wasn't playing basketball or what have you inside the community center,

01:04:07.240 but happened to be staring out the window at the very moment this happened.

01:04:10.880 We'll wait to see.

01:04:12.320 But he deserves no benefit of the doubt, none whatsoever, because at this point, it's like another Tim Wall's lie.

01:04:20.280 It must be a day ending, and why?

01:04:22.360 Well, of course.

01:04:22.940 And, Megan, you heard another lie.

01:04:24.600 Even within that statement, he said, I'm a hunter.

01:04:27.480 I own guns.

01:04:28.600 The vice president is.

01:04:30.820 So I guess that refers to the vice president is a hunter.

01:04:33.220 I doubt that she even owns a gun, but the vice president's a hunter?

01:04:38.040 No, she's not.

01:04:38.980 That just isn't true.

01:04:40.140 That's a lie.

01:04:41.080 And then I thought the clearest lie during the whole debate was when J.D. Vance, again, subtly, respectfully, quite persuasively,

01:04:51.320 pointed out that as governor of Minnesota, Tim Wall signed a law to remove reporting requirements for babies who survive abortion and who are born alive

01:05:01.340 and to remove the requirement that physicians provide medical care to those babies who are born alive after surviving abortion.

01:05:08.080 And Tim Walls said repeatedly, that isn't true.

01:05:11.700 That's not what happened.

01:05:12.980 I didn't do that.

01:05:14.280 And when J.D. Vance pressed him and said, OK, well, how is that not true?

01:05:17.280 All Tim Walls could say is that's been debunked.

01:05:19.280 It's been fact-checked.

01:05:20.420 It's been debunked.

01:05:21.140 It isn't true.

01:05:21.860 And it manifestly is true. 0.70

01:05:23.340 Even The New York Times had to admit this today.

01:05:25.480 And as The New York Times admitted it, they lied about it, too.

01:05:28.560 They said that J.D. Vance's claim was false.

01:05:32.100 But then if you read the explanation as to how the claim is false, The New York Times admits, yeah, actually, Tim Walls did sign that law.

01:05:39.080 And yeah, he did remove the reporting requirements.

01:05:41.320 And yeah, he did remove the requirement for physicians to provide medical care.

01:05:45.360 So it was a stone-cold lie.

01:05:47.760 There is no way you can convince me that The New York Times editors didn't know that.

01:05:52.600 As far as I can tell, I think they're still literate over there at The New York Times.

01:05:55.120 And there's certainly no way you can convince me that Tim Walls was unaware of a law that he himself signed.

01:06:01.480 That is—

01:06:02.120 Absolutely.

01:06:03.040 That's psycho stuff.

01:06:04.800 Yeah.

01:06:05.340 No, that's absolutely right.

01:06:06.620 There's something wrong with him.

01:06:07.780 You signed it.

01:06:08.780 It was a big deal in Minnesota.

01:06:11.180 The vote in the House and the Senate came down exactly on party lines.

01:06:15.800 They have slightly more Democrats in Minnesota in their statehouse than they do Republicans, which is how they got this through.

01:06:21.300 But this was not a situation in which they had crossover.

01:06:24.100 They had widespread agreement on this.

01:06:25.740 This was hard fought.

01:06:26.720 The Republicans knew what it meant to say we're not going to require medical care for these infants.

01:06:32.660 And Tim Walls signed it into law.

01:06:34.460 He knew exactly what he had done.

01:06:36.720 And yet here's the exchange Michael Knowles just talked about.

01:06:39.300 Now, you're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me, but as I read the Minnesota law that you signed into law, the statute that you signed into law, it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives, the doctor is under no obligation to provide life-saving care to a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion.

01:07:00.400 That is, I think, whether you're pro-choice or pro-abortion, that is fundamentally barbaric.

01:07:06.700 These are women's decisions to make about their health care decisions and the physicians who know best when they need to do this. 0.99

01:07:13.240 Trying to distort the way a law is written to try and make a point, that's not it at all.

01:07:17.320 What was I wrong about, Governor?

01:07:18.440 Please tell me.

01:07:19.240 What was I wrong about?

01:07:19.680 That is not the way the law is written.

01:07:21.080 Look, I've given this advice on a lot of things, getting involved, getting engaged.

01:07:26.000 That's been misread, and it was fact-checked at the last debate.

01:07:28.180 But the point on this is, is there's a continuation of these guys to try and tell women or to get involved.

01:07:35.480 Okay, so I want to get into this.

01:07:38.740 I looked at this law.

01:07:40.100 I looked at this law prior to last night.

01:07:43.020 We've been talking about Tim Walz and his radical social policies for a while on the show.

01:07:46.880 Here is the law, okay?

01:07:49.100 It is Section 56, Minnesota Statutes 2022, Subsection 145.423, Subdivision 1.

01:07:56.740 It is amended.

01:07:58.560 Tim Walz became governor in 2018, and they amended it in 2022.

01:08:02.420 It took effect in 2023.

01:08:03.860 Subdivision 1.

01:08:05.200 It used to read, recognition, medical care.

01:08:09.040 A born-alive infant, as a result of an abortion, shall be fully recognized as a human person

01:08:17.220 and accorded immediate protection under the law.

01:08:19.460 This piece of it was passed before he became governor in 2015.

01:08:22.860 All reasonable measures consistent with good medical practice, including the compilation

01:08:26.840 of appropriate medical records, shall be taken by the responsible medical personnel

01:08:30.580 to preserve the life and health of the born-alive infant.

01:08:36.020 That's how it used to read.

01:08:38.040 Tim Walz got into office, and he changed it with the Democrats in his statehouse to now read,

01:08:45.800 recognition, medical care is crossed out.

01:08:48.300 But recognition, care, it now reads.

01:08:52.400 And instead of a born-alive infant as a result of an abortion, it now reads,

01:08:57.760 An infant who is born alive shall be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate

01:09:04.860 protection under the law.

01:09:06.440 All reasonable measures consistent with good medical practice, including the compilation

01:09:09.560 of appropriate medical records, shall be taken by the responsible medical personnel.

01:09:13.560 And they crossed out to preserve the life and health of the born-alive infant and changed

01:09:19.620 it to, all responsible medical personnel shall care for the infant who was born alive.

01:09:26.940 Do you no longer have to preserve the life and health?

01:09:29.980 You just have to care for the infant.

01:09:33.140 What this means in the law and what they so heavily debated in Minnesota was the switch

01:09:38.460 from medical care to comfort care is how it's referred to, because this is a thing that's

01:09:44.880 happened in many states where they've had this debate between the pro-lifers and the pro-choicers.

01:09:48.900 Must you try to save the baby that you just tried to kill in utero, but you failed and

01:09:54.520 somehow the baby was born alive.

01:09:56.560 Must you provide life-saving care or must you just provide so-called comfort care until

01:10:01.920 the baby expires or lives?

01:10:04.480 And in Minnesota, he changed the law to say no medical care is necessary.

01:10:08.960 You can just do comfort care.

01:10:10.460 And secondly, he revoked the requirements that they keep track of the number of babies this

01:10:20.320 is happening to.

01:10:21.780 And here's the other thing, Michael.

01:10:23.600 Let's just stay there because then we'll go next level next.

01:10:26.240 But that those are the facts that J.D. Vance tried to raise and that that sociopath denied

01:10:33.120 repeatedly getting indignant saying that's not true.

01:10:37.100 You're trying to distort the law and the way it's written.

01:10:40.200 This has been misread and was fact-checked at the ABC debate.

01:10:43.760 All those are all lies.

01:10:45.180 If it's so easy to fact-check, if it's so easy to debunk, then why don't you just do

01:10:51.360 it, Tim?

01:10:51.900 You've got the stage.

01:10:53.280 That's the point of a debate is to defend your record and to propose your policies.

01:10:57.580 So the reason he has to point and say it was vaguely fact-checked by some other people

01:11:02.040 on some other network is because he's trying to pass the buck on lying to somebody else

01:11:06.460 because this lie is so without credibility.

01:11:10.520 You know, we know what comfort care means here.

01:11:13.100 However, the other Democrat governor, Ralph Northam, explained it in an interview that

01:11:19.180 the left-wing media are trying to deny and debunk and hide.

01:11:23.320 But he said exactly what it means in this scenario, which is if the baby survives the abortion,

01:11:29.960 the baby will be put on a table somewhere and kept comfortable while a conversation ensues

01:11:35.960 between the doctor and the mother.

01:11:37.880 The comfort is the comfort of neglect and the comfort of death.

01:11:42.300 Even this term when it's used in less egregious ways, any person who's ever had a loved one

01:11:48.580 enter into hospice knows exactly the difference between life-saving medical care and comfort

01:11:54.380 care or palliative care or hospice care.

01:11:56.700 The former is designed to keep the person alive.

01:12:00.820 The latter is designed to await death.

01:12:03.380 That's all that it's for.

01:12:04.780 But what they do in hospice care is a lot kinder and gentler than what they do to these babies

01:12:11.940 who, again, they just tried to kill, but they survived it anyway.

01:12:16.020 I'll give you this, Michael.

01:12:17.940 I went back and looked.

01:12:19.960 There's an EMT who's a GOP state representative in Minnesota.

01:12:24.280 His name is Jeff Backer.

01:12:25.760 Um, and he said the, he's a, I think I'm trying to read my own writing.

01:12:30.860 I think it's Brown's Valley or bonus Valley.

01:12:34.000 Anyway, he's a GOP rep in Minnesota and he also works as an EMT and said, um, he had a

01:12:41.920 20 week year old, 21 week old born in the back of his ambulance.

01:12:46.200 And he said, if I gave that 21 week old who was born in my ambulance, quote, comfort care

01:12:53.420 and only comfort care, I would be charged with murder.

01:12:57.560 Quote, comfort care means, uh, lay on a hard surface.

01:13:03.200 Comfort care means lay on a hard surface, maybe a blanket.

01:13:08.280 That's a Minnesota state lawmaker who was objecting to this shift saying, this is barbaric.

01:13:15.140 What you guys are asking to do now to these infants.

01:13:18.380 So you're exactly right.

01:13:19.900 Only it's even worse for these infants who don't have any of the advantages that a fully 0.85

01:13:25.080 grown elderly adult would. 0.84

01:13:27.140 And the reason they have to use euphemisms and the reason that Tim Walls in this case

01:13:30.560 is really just trying to avoid the issue entirely.

01:13:32.940 Say it was already debunked.

01:13:34.340 It's, it's been talked about elsewhere.

01:13:36.240 Move along, move along rights, freedom, happiness, women, joy. 0.99

01:13:39.620 The reason they have to do that is because whether you're talking about medical care or so-called

01:13:44.000 comfort care, which as you rightly note, Megan, uh, doesn't involve very much comfort

01:13:47.740 for these babies, you are acknowledging that the baby is a human being, the sort of, the

01:13:53.160 sort of creature that is entitled to care and that can benefit from care.

01:13:56.440 But also, as you rightly note in, in abortion, uh, the, the, the baby has just been the target

01:14:03.200 of an attempted murder.

01:14:04.920 So the baby has survived the abortion. 0.99

01:14:07.140 The purpose of the abortion is to kill the baby. 1.00

01:14:08.880 The baby has survived as sometimes happens. 0.87

01:14:11.660 Well, what are we going to do now?

01:14:13.420 You're faced with the irreducible and unavoidable humanity of the baby.

01:14:18.320 That's why Tim Walls has to move off of this.

01:14:20.460 And for many years, uh, with abortion being a controversial issue, especially among people

01:14:24.800 who just don't have a totally coherent, uh, set of policy views and don't think about

01:14:29.560 politics all that much, uh, they'll, they're, they're a little, uh, wishy-washy on the issue.

01:14:33.880 Republicans have argued that we need to be focusing on abortion where it is most clearly

01:14:39.920 egregious, where it's the most easy to understand.

01:14:42.520 And that is late-term abortion. 1.00

01:14:44.060 And you want to talk about lies during this campaign, during Kamala's debate with Trump,

01:14:48.240 uh, and we've heard it ever since then, uh, they have denied that late-term abortion happens

01:14:55.300 in America.

01:14:55.740 That's not true.

01:14:56.580 There's a lot of late-term abortion in America. 1.00

01:14:58.100 And if a late-term abortion weren't happening in America, why would Democrat governors like Andrew

01:15:03.260 Cuomo or like Tim Walls, for that matter, seek to enshrine, uh, ever more rights to late-term

01:15:09.180 abortion, uh, in recent years?

01:15:11.120 That's, that's the first question.

01:15:13.140 But then the second part they say is late-term abortion doesn't happen. 0.95

01:15:16.860 And when it does happen, it's always to save the life of the mother for some, uh, extreme

01:15:21.240 medical necessity.

01:15:22.100 That also is not true because we don't have a lot of reporting requirements in a lot of

01:15:26.640 states.

01:15:26.820 We don't have great data here, but the data that we do have suggest that late-term abortions

01:15:31.460 happen for the exact same reason that early abortions happen, uh, this is frequently elective 0.98

01:15:36.560 because people just wait a long time or they weren't told that they were pregnant or because

01:15:41.680 they, for whatever reason, financial stress or, uh, personal relational reasons just don't

01:15:46.720 want the baby. 1.00

01:15:47.300 And so the, uh, the response to that is to kill the baby. 0.98

01:15:50.660 Well, uh, when we're talking about it at the late term, as J.D. 0.96

01:15:53.820 Vance, I thought masterfully did during the debate, we see why that is barbaric, why that

01:15:59.120 is inhumane and why I think that's not going to play in Peoria, which is why Tim Walls has

01:16:03.760 to get off the subject.

01:16:06.080 Tim Walls could have said, we ran the numbers and the vast majority of cases in which a mother

01:16:13.140 aborts her third trimester child.

01:16:16.120 It is because the, the infant has been catastrophically injured in some way.

01:16:21.220 Something is catastrophically wrong with the infant in the womb.

01:16:24.420 And the mother is painfully making the choice to try to spare this infant, whatever's coming

01:16:31.340 its way, some horrific life, you know, that will last two days, et cetera.

01:16:36.020 Pro-lifers would say, still not okay.

01:16:38.400 Many pro-choicers would say that one's okay with me.

01:16:41.140 Okay.

01:16:41.580 He could have said that, but instead he just lied and said, this doesn't happen.

01:16:46.240 This is all lies.

01:16:47.260 It's been fact check.

01:16:48.300 You're misreading the law.

01:16:49.800 Those are, those truly are lies.

01:16:51.880 I want the audience to understand me.

01:16:53.340 I am not some pro-life advocate who's out here all the time.

01:16:57.200 Like, like Lila Rose, you know, I am telling you the truth.

01:17:00.280 The law is exactly as JD Vance said, and Tim Walls lied.

01:17:05.380 So that led to this exchange that was pretty remarkable on CNN, where they had four against

01:17:12.020 one.

01:17:12.540 Scott Jennings is the sole Republican who goes out there.

01:17:15.380 And this Alyssa Farah, who's the pretend Republican who goes on the view and CNN, she was there.

01:17:20.660 And, uh, so is David Axelrod.

01:17:23.860 He's a Democrat.

01:17:25.120 Anyway, watch, watch this.

01:17:27.000 Okay.

01:17:27.140 Watch.

01:17:28.600 Walls totally lied about the, the post-abortion infant bill.

01:17:33.160 I totally lied about that.

01:17:34.440 And number two, he totally sidestepped the court.

01:17:37.000 It is true.

01:17:37.400 He totally sidestepped the question about what restrictions do you prefer?

01:17:41.280 Just like here.

01:17:41.940 I mean, he essentially ratified the position, which is no restriction.

01:17:45.420 I do not think that's what the Minnesota law states.

01:17:47.460 I wish that Republicans would stop saying, oh, they're allowing babies to be killed once

01:17:51.440 they're born.

01:17:51.960 In Minnesota, there were eight deaths among infants who survived abortion attempts during

01:17:58.460 Tim Walls' tenure as governor.

01:18:00.060 It happened.

01:18:01.000 They don't want to talk about the fact that it happened, but there were children.

01:18:04.960 What's the source of what I'm saying?

01:18:06.400 First of all, let me ask you a question.

01:18:07.580 What's the source?

01:18:07.920 I think you've deeply researched this.

01:18:09.600 What were the condition of these, of these, of these, uh, of these babies when they were

01:18:15.020 born?

01:18:15.200 Why can't, why can't, what, what, what was the participation of the, the family?

01:18:19.240 They tried to abort the babies and they survived the abortion and they died.

01:18:22.640 And you think that families casually, uh, uh, uh, toss them aside.

01:18:28.280 No, I tell me what their condition was.

01:18:30.140 I think Tim Walls, cause they have survived and did they, was it a case of families not

01:18:33.920 wanting children to suffer who were that when they were told that they are doomed?

01:18:39.120 If I couldn't articulate a single restriction, I would attack Trump.

01:18:42.160 This is what Kamala Harris and Tim Walls believes is that it's none of your business what women 1.00

01:18:45.660 do with their body.

01:18:46.440 And so stay out of our doctor's offices and stay out of our bed.

01:18:49.000 Well, I guess I'll have to speak up for the babies.

01:18:50.680 They're not here to speak for themselves.

01:18:52.300 Lord have mercy.

01:18:53.900 She rolled her eyes. 0.97

01:18:55.000 She rolled her eyes when he said, I have to stick up for the babies. 0.92

01:18:57.040 Now, let me give you the data because we've been following this closely on the show.

01:19:00.880 Um, there's a great piece by the national Catholic register and people might roll their

01:19:05.140 eyes that it's a Catholic organization.

01:19:06.740 Go ahead and look at the article because it offers all the arguments of the other side

01:19:10.240 too.

01:19:10.580 They've got a lot of people who were, who were in favor of this law and they give their

01:19:15.620 voice a full hearing.

01:19:17.300 Um, but they did a very good piece on exactly what went down in Minnesota around these numbers.

01:19:23.700 David Axelrod, listen up.

01:19:26.720 Um, during the eight years that the born alive infants protection act was in effect.

01:19:34.100 That's the one that was passed in 15 and stayed in place till 23 when walls repealed it.

01:19:40.080 Uh, the state's health agency reported, and they had to report back then because walls

01:19:46.080 had not removed the reporting requirement yet.

01:19:49.960 24 babies.

01:19:51.680 It's not eight.

01:19:53.380 24 babies were born alive after an attempted abortion.

01:19:58.640 Now, some of those preceded Tim walls becoming governor in 2015.

01:20:02.840 Listen up, David talking to you.

01:20:05.000 2015, it was five.

01:20:07.520 We're just talking about one state, 2016, another five, 2017, three, 2018.

01:20:14.920 Tim walls becomes governor.

01:20:16.180 It's three, 2019, three, 2020, zero, 2021, five, 2022, zero, 2023 and 2024.

01:20:27.960 We don't know because Tim wall started telling the hospitals.

01:20:31.700 You don't have to tell us how many we don't need or want to know all 24 died.

01:20:39.540 All 24 of the infants born after an attempted abortion that was botched died after they were

01:20:45.720 left on the table.

01:20:46.700 10 had fatal fetal conditions, quote, incompatible with life for were medically pre viable, meaning

01:20:55.880 they were too underdeveloped to live on their own.

01:20:58.880 We don't know what week they were born of the pregnancy.

01:21:03.040 Two were, quote, barely clinging to life.

01:21:06.720 I don't know what that means.

01:21:08.620 Barely clinging to life to me does not mean you let it die.

01:21:11.120 It means you try to help it live.

01:21:13.400 And at that point, they were required under the law to at least try.

01:21:18.860 Two were barely clinging to life.

01:21:20.480 As I said, one in 2016 had transient cardiac conditions and one in 2017 had a low APGAR

01:21:28.200 score, which really just means the baby needs medical attention.

01:21:32.040 It could be something like insufficient oxygen.

01:21:34.100 So again, these are conditions that under the new law, they would not be required to try

01:21:38.960 to save the babies.

01:21:39.820 And they could potentially live, somebody with just a low APGAR score or a transient, meaning

01:21:45.900 temporary cardiac condition.

01:21:47.720 Anyway, all of this happened.

01:21:49.780 And then Tim Walz becomes governor in 2018.

01:21:53.380 And from that point forward, 11 babies at least were born alive and died.

01:21:59.500 And it's going to be more than that since we don't know 23 and 24.

01:22:03.120 The eight others, Michael, were described when reporting was required only in, quote, vague

01:22:09.500 language.

01:22:10.380 For seven, comfort care measures were provided as planned.

01:22:14.760 For one in 2017, no specific steps were taken to preserve life, or at least no specific steps

01:22:21.960 were reported.

01:22:23.320 So we really don't know.

01:22:24.740 But these were not all catastrophically doomed babies from the sound of this reporting.

01:22:33.640 There were some who had, I don't want to say mild, but low APGAR score is at least ambiguous.

01:22:40.420 Transient cardiac conditions, again, ambiguous.

01:22:43.400 And I'm sure it doesn't get much better from there once the reporting requirements were lifted

01:22:48.600 under Tim Walz.

01:22:49.940 This is a travesty.

01:22:51.500 And the fact that this guy didn't get a fact check from the super ready to engage on climate

01:22:58.600 change and illegal immigration fact checkers at CBS News is just disgusting. 0.95

01:23:04.460 It certainly is.

01:23:06.100 However, I, in a way, have some sympathy for that last lady on the panel who just rolled 1.00

01:23:12.620 her eyes than I do for Alyssa Farah, the fake Republican from The View, or David Axelrod.

01:23:18.740 Because Alyssa's point was just to not understand the law or to lie about the law as though we

01:23:25.900 can't look it up, you know, as though you can't just read what's in the law and see

01:23:28.740 the effect of it. 0.95

01:23:29.280 So that was ridiculous. 0.94

01:23:30.580 David Axelrod's point was ridiculous too, though, because he tried to suggest, he said, 0.96

01:23:36.720 why are you implying that these people are just casting aside their children? 0.71

01:23:42.120 How dare you suggest they were just casting aside their children?

01:23:44.540 Which, by definition, they were, they had gone in to have an abortion, to kill the baby

01:23:49.020 through abortion.

01:23:49.880 And so this is what makes the law so difficult for the Democrats and so inconvenient and so

01:23:56.360 incoherent for that matter.

01:23:57.600 If it's legal to go in and kill the baby, but then moments later when the baby is in a slightly

01:24:05.380 different place, it is a legal requirement to provide medical care for that baby, then

01:24:11.220 why were you permitted to kill the baby in the first place?

01:24:14.240 How come moments prior it was completely legal and in fact celebrated to murder the baby,

01:24:19.400 but then 90 seconds after, let's say, two inches removed from where the baby just was,

01:24:27.240 it would be a heinous crime.

01:24:28.900 It would be murder to kill the baby and you actually have to provide all the medical care

01:24:32.680 possible to allow the baby to survive.

01:24:34.440 What changed?

01:24:35.540 Nothing really changed.

01:24:36.880 It's a completely incoherent stance.

01:24:39.900 And so that woman at the end who just rolls her eyes and says, hey, listen, you shut your 1.00

01:24:44.600 mouth. 1.00

01:24:45.220 You let us kill whatever babies we want. 1.00

01:24:47.200 You let us kill the baby in the womb. 1.00

01:24:49.040 You let us kill the baby outside the womb. 1.00

01:24:50.460 You let us kill the baby wherever. 1.00

01:24:51.920 You shut your mouth. 1.00

01:24:52.640 You have nothing to say about this. 0.89

01:24:54.300 That's actually the most coherent view from the pro-abortion side.

01:24:57.980 And I think even a knucklehead like Tim Walls knew that that was not an acceptable response

01:25:03.900 to give on the debate stage. 0.80

01:25:05.160 So he was counting on the people in the media to continue to cover up and lie for him, which

01:25:09.200 is exactly what they're doing.

01:25:10.840 Yep.

01:25:11.360 Her name is Ashley Allison, the IBI ruler.

01:25:14.420 Here's the other thing before we take a break.

01:25:16.060 Walls also put a stop to state funding for the pro-life pregnancy centers.

01:25:24.900 So while he's saying you can have an abortion through the ninth month, which he did in another 0.58

01:25:31.380 law and repealing the protections for babies who survive abortion attempts who are born

01:25:37.140 alive, he also pulled all the state funding for the pro-life pregnancy centers, which provide

01:25:44.300 child care, medical care, parenting classes, free clothes, free diapers, assist with adoptions,

01:25:51.460 and provide educational support for moms who are considering either having the baby and keeping

01:25:56.800 it or having the baby and giving it up for adoption.

01:25:59.720 So this guy, I mean, that's what JD was saying.

01:26:03.100 He was like, the Republican Party needs to get better at that piece, providing real support

01:26:08.320 for moms who feel like there's no other option than an abortion and showing them, no, no, no, 0.95

01:26:13.200 there is a real other option.

01:26:14.660 Even if you don't want to keep the baby, we're going to make this as easy on you as humanly

01:26:18.640 possible.

01:26:19.740 You can give it up for adoption.

01:26:21.220 There are loving families who would love to have this baby and raise it.

01:26:24.240 And unsaid was, you didn't want that either, Tim Walz.

01:26:29.780 You pulled the funding so that women who don't want to kill their babies in utero have another 1.00

01:26:35.980 meaningful option.

01:26:36.960 It's just the absence of honesty on the abortion issue in the press, it really might be the most

01:26:43.840 egregious problem in the press.

01:26:46.460 I'm not kidding.

01:26:47.060 It might be worse than the climate change agenda.

01:26:49.600 There's just, everyone in the media is pro-choice.

01:26:53.620 Everyone, Michael.

01:26:54.620 Well, you can always tell, Megan, how dishonest people are being about a political issue by

01:26:59.840 the number and intensity of euphemisms that they're using to describe that issue.

01:27:04.560 So in the case of abortion, abortion, which is in itself a kind of euphemism for infanticide,

01:27:09.920 they'll never use, certainly the term infanticide, and they increasingly don't even use the term

01:27:13.840 abortion.

01:27:14.160 They'll say women's health or reproductive freedom or choice or whatever.

01:27:19.400 So that's usually a sign that they're trying to distract you from a harsh reality.

01:27:23.040 But then on this word choice, I think Tim Walz has just proven that he's not pro-choice.

01:27:28.800 If he were pro-choice, he wouldn't be defunding the pro-life pregnancy centers.

01:27:34.620 He would be in favor of giving women a choice.

01:27:36.780 But he's not.

01:27:37.360 He doesn't want women to have a choice. 0.98

01:27:39.760 He wants women to abort their children.

01:27:41.800 He is in favor of abortion.

01:27:43.580 And unfortunately, that is now the mainstream position of the Democrat Party.

01:27:47.460 I mean, it's horrific.

01:27:48.960 I will say for the record, thank God I have never had an abortion and I never would have

01:27:54.480 an abortion.

01:27:55.280 This is not why I don't give my own personal opinions on abortion.

01:27:57.980 But I do want people to know it's not because I've had one.

01:28:01.280 Because the people who are the most pro-abortion are, I think, the women who have had them.

01:28:05.300 I mean, they're just, they come out and they're, what's her name?

01:28:08.560 Was it Joni Mitchell who was out there this week?

01:28:11.560 Oh God, wait, wait a minute.

01:28:12.660 Who was it who was out there this week?

01:28:14.060 It wasn't Joni.

01:28:14.700 It was...

01:28:15.620 Joni Mitchell did not have an abortion, actually, as far as I know.

01:28:18.060 I think she actually gave birth to her daughter.

01:28:18.860 It wasn't Joni Mitchell.

01:28:19.620 Forgive me.

01:28:20.060 It wasn't.

01:28:21.140 Stevie Nicks.

01:28:21.920 Thank you.

01:28:22.300 Stevie Nicks, who wrote this pro-abortion song that was making the rounds like a week

01:28:27.660 ago.

01:28:28.260 And she gives an interview about it.

01:28:30.240 And she's like, you know, I'm just heartbroken about, you know, the inability to have children.

01:28:34.740 Oh, I had four abortions.

01:28:36.320 Four?

01:28:37.440 You had four abortions?

01:28:39.340 Like, it's just absolutely outrageous.

01:28:42.140 There are women who use abortion as birth control.

01:28:46.720 And that's why they want to make sure it's available all the time and every...

01:28:51.180 And they don't want to see or hear about the pro-life center.

01:28:55.340 They feel guilted by the fact that other women might make a different choice if provided

01:29:03.160 with the information.

01:29:04.620 And Tim Walsh and his friends just said, oh, no, those are just centers where they pressure

01:29:07.680 you out of having your abortion. 0.64

01:29:09.520 Pressure or just educate?

01:29:11.580 This is a really important point that you're making.

01:29:14.020 And I think it's an important point for the GOP in terms of communicating.

01:29:18.480 And it's an important point for women. 1.00

01:29:21.160 There is something...

01:29:22.480 I think the number is about one in four women will have had an abortion at some point in

01:29:27.260 their lives.

01:29:27.780 And that number seems quite inflated.

01:29:29.760 It's from the Guttmacher Institute, which is the think tank for Planned Parenthood.

01:29:32.900 From what I can tell from those data, the number is actually fairly reliable.

01:29:36.600 I know a number of women who've had abortions. 1.00

01:29:38.640 All of them regret it, and almost all of them explicitly regret it, and some of them merely

01:29:44.700 implicitly regret it.

01:29:46.320 But it can be a big burden.

01:29:48.760 And I do think you're totally right.

01:29:50.620 I think that the reason why a lot of women support abortion as a matter of public policy 0.63

01:29:54.600 is because they've had one and they feel guilty about it.

01:29:57.340 And of course, they feel guilty.

01:29:58.180 And some of them were duped and deceived and didn't want to acknowledge the moral reality

01:30:03.740 of it.

01:30:04.380 And then when one becomes aware of the moral reality of it, the guilt is so absolutely

01:30:10.280 awful that to look at oneself in the mirror, one could not admit that reality.

01:30:16.660 Now, the happy side of this is there is redemption and forgiveness.

01:30:22.100 You know, that's at least a Christian idea, and I think it's true. 0.99

01:30:24.860 So this is the real trick of the devil here, is the devil tempts you to sin, and then you

01:30:29.840 sin, and then he never lets you escape your sin, and never lets you—and in fact impels

01:30:34.000 you to make that sin worse by doubling down on it and defending that sin.

01:30:37.580 You don't have to do that.

01:30:39.100 People commit—everybody commits terrible things at different points in life, and even the

01:30:43.620 most terrible sins can be forgiven.

01:30:45.480 You don't need to double down on scandal and suffering, and in this case, infanticide,

01:30:50.920 just because you feel guilty.

01:30:52.400 There is forgiveness.

01:30:53.480 You're welcome on the other end of it.

01:30:54.900 You can move on in your life.

01:30:56.260 Things actually can get better.

01:30:58.080 That's something that the devil and the Democrats don't want you to know.

01:31:01.900 Yes, so well said.

01:31:03.460 I mean, to my fellow women who have had to make this choice, my heart goes out to you.

01:31:06.640 I'm sure it was absolutely awful for most people, unlike Stevie Nicks.

01:31:11.420 Yeah, let's do it again, and again, and again.

01:31:15.480 But I don't think the answer to dealing with the severity of that choice is to then just

01:31:20.760 run around encouraging other women to do it too, or worse yet, to deprive them of information 0.97

01:31:25.820 on how another option is there for them and what it might look like and what kind of families

01:31:32.320 could be helped by your making another choice.

01:31:34.820 Why wouldn't you at least consider it?

01:31:36.760 Even though in the moment it could make you feel bad, if you choose to have an abortion

01:31:40.440 after the fact, it could make you feel worse.

01:31:42.180 It's true.

01:31:43.040 But why wouldn't you, given the gravity of this decision, at least keep open the option

01:31:47.580 of another choice and education about it?

01:31:50.760 Okay.

01:31:51.480 I feel better having had that discussion because it's really been bothering me how they're

01:31:54.840 talking about it.

01:31:55.660 We're going to take a quick break.

01:31:56.640 We'll be right back with Michael Knowles.

01:31:58.200 More to get to ahead.

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01:33:01.900 Before we move away from the topic of abortion, it's in the news today for another reason.

01:33:07.260 Melania Trump came out and said she's about as pro-choice as they come. 0.52

01:33:13.840 And that's her personal position. 0.52

01:33:15.620 She doesn't think the state has any position to interfere with a woman's right to choose. 1.00

01:33:20.300 And here was the reaction on The View.

01:33:24.440 Watch.

01:33:26.200 I think she hates him.

01:33:27.920 Yeah, well, yeah.

01:33:28.700 Okay, so we can all agree on that.

01:33:30.380 That's a given.

01:33:31.260 I also think that she wants to take him out.

01:33:35.160 She does not want to be the first lady anymore. 0.94

01:33:38.020 They really do.

01:33:38.820 She doesn't want to be the first lady. 1.00

01:33:40.120 She destroyed the Rose Garden.

01:33:43.460 Who hates Christmas?

01:33:44.960 Melania Trump hates Christmas. 0.88

01:33:46.280 She doesn't want to decorate for Christmas.

01:33:48.160 She doesn't care.

01:33:48.940 She doesn't care.

01:33:50.240 She doesn't want to sleep in the same room with him.

01:33:52.960 She can't tolerate him.

01:33:56.480 Would you look?

01:33:58.140 This is a network that still runs out fact checks to these women. 1.00

01:34:01.340 Like it's concerned about them staying factual.

01:34:04.040 She hates Trump.

01:34:05.740 She doesn't want to be near him.

01:34:06.900 She doesn't want to be president again. 1.00

01:34:08.160 And she destroyed the Rose Garden and she hates Christmas. 1.00

01:34:10.620 That is what passes for news on a network they did a presidential debate on.

01:34:16.020 Thoughts?

01:34:17.600 I think there's a simpler explanation, which is that for as long as abortion has been a

01:34:24.040 major national issue, every single first lady, including every single Republican first lady, 0.99

01:34:29.820 has supported abortion.

01:34:31.440 I think that's a sad fact.

01:34:33.300 I think it's a strange fact of history.

01:34:35.540 But I think that's a simpler answer than whatever the view is saying, that Melania is playing

01:34:41.120 7D chess and doesn't want to have to decorate the White House Christmas tree, so she's going

01:34:46.020 to release this memoir.

01:34:47.920 I mean, there are competing theories here.

01:34:50.300 Obviously, the memoir of a first lady doesn't just accidentally get released spontaneously or

01:34:57.100 without any expectation.

01:34:58.420 So this was planned for a while.

01:35:01.040 Some people might conclude that this is a strategic choice by the Trump campaign to moderate Trump in a way with

01:35:08.880 plausible deniability on an issue that Democrats have made a lot of hay on over the past couple of years.

01:35:13.860 I suppose that's possible.

01:35:15.380 We also have to remember that Melania Trump is from Slovenia.

01:35:18.220 Slovenia has extremely lax abortion laws.

01:35:21.140 They permit it up till 28 weeks.

01:35:23.860 It's paid for by the government.

01:35:26.620 Minors who get abortions, procure abortions, don't have their parents' permission necessarily.

01:35:33.580 So, you know, she comes from a place where abortion is pretty liberal, though she's a Catholic, so she, you know,

01:35:38.800 one would expect her to oppose abortion for that reason. 1.00

01:35:41.180 But I think there's this simpler explanation, which is that all of the Republican first ladies, going back to Pat Nixon, 0.98

01:35:50.200 Betty Ford, Nancy Reagan, Barbara Bush, Laura Bush, and now Melania Trump, have strangely been in favor of abortion.

01:35:59.040 That's an unfortunate fact.

01:36:00.980 I think it's a reminder that the pro-life movement, which is so dominant in the conservative intellectual movement

01:36:06.920 and also in the conservative activist movement, doesn't have quite as much cachet in the elected movement

01:36:12.300 and or the elected government part of the conservative movement,

01:36:16.320 and also has an uphill battle among Americans who the American people,

01:36:21.860 the vast majority of the American people do not agree with the Democrats on abortion,

01:36:25.260 Democrats who are literally advocating for fourth trimester abortion in some cases, post-birth abortion.

01:36:30.760 But also, they don't totally agree with pro-lifers who are coherent, who recognize that if a baby is a baby,

01:36:38.300 then a baby is a baby the whole time.

01:36:40.260 You know, a person is a person no matter how small.

01:36:42.500 And so there is a disconnect between philosophical coherence and even scientific coherence

01:36:48.040 and where people stand on this.

01:36:50.280 And that is not unique to Melania Trump.

01:36:52.400 That is reflected among all the first ladies and unfortunately a lot of Republicans.

01:36:57.920 And so it's incumbent upon the pro-life movement to argue, to persuade, to make the scientific case

01:37:03.080 and the philosophical case, and also to show people the reality of abortion.

01:37:07.820 Many people thought after Roe v. Wade was overruled that the pro-life movement was over.

01:37:11.680 No, I think the work of the pro-life movement in many ways is just beginning.

01:37:15.540 Yeah, I can see that.

01:37:16.940 Lastly, there has been now a spate of university volleyball teams refusing to play against, I think it's San Diego State.

01:37:29.200 Is it San Jose State?

01:37:30.620 I'm going to look it up.

01:37:31.220 Hold on.

01:37:32.040 It's San Jose.

01:37:33.800 It's San Jose.

01:37:35.760 Wyoming, Boise State, Southern Utah, and also I think Utah State.

01:37:41.680 Maybe that's a different one, but there's four now.

01:37:43.280 Refusing to play San Jose State, which has a male player pretending to be female and taking the loss, saying we're not playing.

01:37:55.000 It's not fair.

01:37:56.160 And taking a loss.

01:37:57.720 And I have to say, good for them, Michael.

01:38:01.560 As hard as it is for these girls to forego potential championships and whatever comes with it, 1.00

01:38:07.800 this is not going to stop until more girls do this. 1.00

01:38:13.340 Like, we're just not going to do it.

01:38:14.560 And what a testament it would be, look at this guy, if they could stop the whole thing, right?

01:38:19.200 If they could just shut down these tournaments entirely because all the teams said, no, this isn't fair.

01:38:26.160 This same guy was, let's see, I'm trying to get his history.

01:38:33.280 Oh, I'm confusing my trans cases, but there was one in New Hampshire at the high school level where there's a male who's playing.

01:38:40.980 And this same guy was dominating track and field before he decided he was going to play, let's see, hold on.

01:38:50.620 Yeah, play soccer.

01:38:54.140 He's nearly six feet tall.

01:38:56.120 He won all the girls' high jump competitions, the state indoor championship, and first place by a mile.

01:39:04.200 Six first place finishes.

01:39:05.720 So more and more this is happening, and more and more the girls are figuring out how to object, at least, if not stop it. 0.98

01:39:11.780 Your thoughts?

01:39:12.320 Of course.

01:39:12.720 This is so obviously unjust that the girls have to suffer in their own sport because some perverse man wants to have an advantage on them.

01:39:21.620 So what they're doing is important and brave and significant just from a standpoint of politics, but also it's just smart for their own health.

01:39:33.500 These girls could be permanently paralyzed if they play against this guy. 1.00

01:39:38.140 It's happened before.

01:39:39.180 So, well, I laud the political courage of these girls.

01:39:43.320 Also, what choice do they have?

01:39:45.120 I mean, these girls could be permanently paralyzed. 1.00

01:39:47.380 There are real, tangible, physical consequences to letting giant, brutish men dominate girls in sports.

01:39:55.560 And so I think if I were their parents, I'd be thrilled about this news.

01:39:59.900 But maybe now we can do something about the injustice of it.

01:40:02.920 Michael Knowles, always a pleasure.

01:40:04.700 Thank you so much for being here.

01:40:05.820 Tomorrow, we are back with Tim Dillon for the full show.

01:40:09.540 Don't miss that.

01:40:13.460 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 03, 2024

Jack Smith's ＂Election Interference,＂ and Truth About Walz's Abortion Law, with Michael Knowles and Mike Davis ｜ Ep. 905

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