The Megyn Kelly Show - James O'Keefe on His Latest Bombshell Videos, and Larry Elder on His Powerful Film ＂Uncle Tom II＂

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00:00:11.660 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today marks one year since

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00:01:23.180 this year on Sirius or two years as a podcast, you know what to expect from us. Not a lot of

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00:01:46.280 Anyway, we've got a lot of big guests lined up for later this month to celebrate our two-year

00:01:50.660 anniversary. And we're going to reveal them soon. But for today, let's get to the news.

00:01:56.000 The always provocative Larry Elder is here. Love Larry. And guess what he's done? He's made Uncle

00:02:02.660 Tom 2. It's amazing. It's amazing. If you haven't seen Uncle Tom 1, go do that, okay? But Uncle Tom 2,

00:02:12.760 it might be even better. I learned so much. A deep dive into BLM, into Saul Alinsky, into the Russians

00:02:24.340 sowing discord in America and the tactics that they have used well before 2016 to try to foment

00:02:32.540 disagreement and distrust. It goes on and on. And Larry has taken an honest look at how we got

00:02:39.760 this divided on the subject of race. And who's really running BLM? Guess what? It's not even a

00:02:45.920 black person. Okay? We're going to get into all of it. Very timely, considering that yet another

00:02:50.860 leader of Black Lives Matter has just been accused of stealing more than 10 million bucks from the

00:02:55.120 group. This is the guy who was married to or partners with Patrice Cullors, one of the founders.

00:03:00.440 We'll get into it. I mean, basically, everybody running that organization has been has had been

00:03:04.660 tapped on the shoulder by law enforcement or by some bank regulator or by civil litigation or by

00:03:10.600 members within BLM saying you defrauded me or you didn't give me the money. I mean, it just goes on

00:03:15.700 and on and the media won't cover it. But we begin today with James O'Keefe. Very excited to have James

00:03:20.320 here. You saw the show yesterday where we played many of his Project Veritas videos. Well, he's out today

00:03:26.740 with a new video exposing yet another teacher slash administrator pushing a left wing agenda on

00:03:33.500 students and proudly boasting that if a teaching candidate shows any hint that he or she might be

00:03:39.100 a conservative, they won't be hired. They won't be hired. And if they appear to be a conservative

00:03:44.460 while employed there, guess what? They'll be fired. Very open minded, very honest of this person.

00:03:51.080 And wait until you see what happened when James confronted the people that his journalists,

00:03:57.520 his operatives are exposing like the aha moment where James comes and sits down at the table.

00:04:03.520 We're going to play those for you in moments.

00:04:10.000 James O'Keefe is with me now. Hi, James. How are you doing?

00:04:13.340 Hi, Megan. Great to be with you.

00:04:15.120 It's great to have you back. And, you know, I said yesterday how much I appreciate

00:04:18.080 these videos as a mother with three young kids in school. I just you know, there's it's one thing to

00:04:24.220 know just now these teachers are biased and these schools are left leaning. It's quite another to

00:04:28.840 see the admissions on camera. So just set it up for us. What made you think to target this field?

00:04:34.840 Because you've you've, you know, taken deep dives into ACORN and many different voting groups

00:04:40.380 or sort of operatives. But why educators? Well, we did a story a year ago on a teacher named

00:04:46.500 Gabriel Guipe in Sacramento, and that was just an absolute firestorm. Parents flooded the

00:04:53.820 board meeting in Sacramento. This is one year ago last week on around Labor Day. And this was the

00:05:02.080 school board meeting was just very moving. It was very touching to see all the hundreds of what I

00:05:06.160 call mama bears. And these are not Republican or Democrat, necessarily people. These just angry

00:05:12.060 mothers. You don't mess with a mother's children. And this tape a year ago showed a self-described

00:05:19.660 communist anarchist say he wants to F with your your kids. He wants to give extra credit to go to

00:05:24.960 Antifa rallies. So we dispatched our undercover journalists in the field and ran into these

00:05:30.480 teachers in Fairfield County, Connecticut and New York City, exposing what they really felt and what

00:05:36.760 they really were doing. And the one in Greenwich School, this assistant principal, no low level

00:05:42.720 official. In fact, the assistant principal is tasked with hiring all the teachers. And he told our

00:05:47.760 undercover journalist that he discriminates based upon religion and doesn't hire anyone over the

00:05:52.560 age of 30. And this and now they've let him go. He's on leave. So that that caused just that was

00:05:59.620 that the Democrat attorney general of Connecticut, the Democrat governor and the Democrat U.S. Senator

00:06:04.820 Richard Blumenthal are all shockingly supporting Project Veritas in this case, launching investigations,

00:06:10.760 which is the purpose of journalism. But it's also prompted outcries about our methods. Megan,

00:06:16.720 a lot of people attacking Project Veritas for secretly recording these people and setting them

00:06:21.920 up, etc. We could get into that. But at the end of the day, you can see their lips moving. And this

00:06:26.660 sort of journalism is necessary in a society where we don't know what is happening in our schools.

00:06:32.640 No one made him say what he said. He willingly said he discriminates against old people and he

00:06:40.740 discriminates against Catholics, that he won't hire them because he believes they're more

00:06:44.980 conservative, whether that's true or not true. It's in terms of conservatives being more or Catholics

00:06:51.480 being more conservative and older people. It's illegal. It's illegal. So an investigation has to

00:06:58.280 take place. They have no choice but to look into this. And I definitely want to talk about the tactics.

00:07:03.300 I mean, I realize that they've always been controversial, but but we always get something out of these

00:07:07.180 videos that advances the discussion. So I don't know. I mean, well, I had the guys on from Fifth

00:07:13.380 Column yesterday. Their objection was, I don't know, they did. I'm paraphrasing, but like seems

00:07:18.620 mean, right, to sort of set somebody up thinking that they're going out on a date with some hot young

00:07:22.760 gal. And it turns out she's she's working for James O'Keefe. And this isn't a real date.

00:07:29.320 What do you make of that? Well, I think all journalists are confidence people. They they

00:07:34.560 it's a common, common practice in journalism to to deceive your subject in order to get truthful

00:07:43.880 information out of them so that you can tell the truth to your audience. That's the purpose of

00:07:47.920 journalism and all journalists do it in some form or another. All journalists deceive their their

00:07:53.480 subject. There's a famous book by Janet Malcolm, an author who wrote that all journalists have been

00:07:59.040 doing this for decades. And then the subject realizes that the whole the journalist's purpose

00:08:03.840 was to tell a story, not to help the subject. So but what why we do this is because you can

00:08:10.040 actually see their faces. You can actually see their lips moving. We don't ask you to trust us.

00:08:15.820 Now, there was a press conference outside the school in Costco. Parents were there. Every TV station

00:08:21.520 in Connecticut was there was quite extraordinary for me because I'd never really done that before. And I

00:08:25.960 and every TV station was asking me this question. Why don't you release the full raw video? Why don't

00:08:30.960 you talk about the name of the person who recorded this man? I said, you guys in media would never do

00:08:36.820 that. You would never release the name of your source. In fact, if you read the New York Times

00:08:41.100 and Washington Post, they give you no actual evidence. They don't give you any tape. They don't

00:08:45.760 show you the the the way their sources are talking, the intonation in their voices. They ask you to

00:08:51.440 trust them. These are newspapers now by virtue of the fact that they're credible and they ask you

00:08:56.280 to trust them by virtue of the fact that they ought to be trusted. Veritas doesn't ask you to

00:09:01.280 Veritas shows you the tape so you can see it for yourself. Imagine, Megan, I had said, according to

00:09:06.760 people familiar with the situation, an assistant principal in Greenwich is discriminating on people

00:09:10.900 based upon the religion. You would say, show me the tape. You would say, I don't believe you,

00:09:15.540 James. Show me the information. Of course you would say that. So what we're doing is is is more

00:09:21.440 transparent than any any one else in media because the evidence is incontrovertible. You could see

00:09:27.580 you could hear Jeremy Boland's voice. You could see his face and you could even hear the reporter

00:09:33.160 asking the question in that restaurant in Stanford, Connecticut, when he talked about not hiring people

00:09:39.240 over the age of 30, which is what's causing this attorney general to launch a civil rights

00:09:43.180 investigation. And I'm not, I mean, I, uh, is this, can we hear this one? Just I'm talking. Oh yeah,

00:09:49.920 this one is clear. We'll play it for the people who didn't hear it yesterday. This is just one of

00:09:54.600 the many sound bites with this Greenwich assistant principal of the K through five elementary school

00:09:59.360 talking about his hiring practices.

00:10:04.260 Have you had a lot of great wingers applying?

00:10:08.060 No. I haven't, I haven't interviewed many because I feel like I'm able to screw it out.

00:10:16.820 How so?

00:10:18.040 I need younger. So because Greenwich pays very well, you get teachers from other districts who've been

00:10:24.760 there for a long time, they'll want to come to Greenwich, but if they're older, I'm not allowed

00:10:30.460 to do that. But I, I can't tell them I'm not interviewing you because you're older. I just don't

00:10:36.660 interview. So like for one position, we had 30 applicants. So out of all those applicants,

00:10:45.360 I don't think I interviewed anybody over the edge of 30.

00:10:48.860 Because they would.

00:10:50.020 I'll never be able to fire her. I'll never be able to change her. And of course you would have

00:11:12.820 to be changed being conservative. So let's get to the moment of confrontation because at some point,

00:11:19.880 I mean, you're watching the video because this woman who was going out with him, you know,

00:11:23.900 the, the journalist, she had more than one meeting with him. That was clear, right?

00:11:29.840 Yes.

00:11:30.600 Yeah. Okay. So there was more than one. And so then there comes the point where

00:11:33.600 it's sort of like, you know, those old TV shows where the big reveal is James comes out and says,

00:11:39.320 yo, I'm James O'Keefe. And, um, you've just been had basically. So can I just ask you as a

00:11:46.860 human? Is that scary for you? Is your, is your heart pumping? Is your adrenaline flowing?

00:11:51.820 Oh, like the, the, the Chris Hansen NBC to catch a predator, right? When he sits down with the guy

00:11:56.660 and the guy thinks he's meeting with the girl and then Hansen shows up and says, I'm with Dateline

00:12:00.440 NBC. Um, no, it no longer, it no longer makes me, uh, uh, be perhaps in the beginning. I, I,

00:12:07.800 my heart was beating in 140 beats per minute, but this is just what I do. Um, and it's,

00:12:12.920 and it's sort of surgical in the sense that, um, you know, we have the iPad, we have the recording

00:12:17.880 you're talking about at the bar taco restaurant in Port Chester, New York last week, I showed up,

00:12:22.520 I walk into the restaurant, um, and I talked to this assistant principal, Jeremy Bowen. I show him

00:12:27.580 the tape and I don't know if you have that moment queued up, but it's an extraordinary moment because

00:12:31.180 their brains sort of freeze and they have this like mini stroke on camera. And sometimes the subject

00:12:38.500 will react in a bizarre way. And I think Jeremy Bowen said something to the effect of, you can't

00:12:44.360 do this. You can't do this. He kept saying this to me. And I said, what do you mean? I can't do it.

00:12:49.620 He's like, you can't do this. I said, well, we have that actually. Let's, what are you going to do?

00:12:53.400 So it was quite something. Talk to you on the back end. Here it is.

00:12:57.500 Hi, you, Jeremy Bowen, uh, assistant principal, Costco. How do we know this?

00:13:03.340 Uh, we know this because you're caught in a hidden camera video, uh, saying that you, uh,

00:13:09.440 don't hire Catholics. Is it ethical to discriminate against people due to their religion?

00:13:14.100 This violates Connecticut law.

00:13:17.300 This needs to stop right now.

00:13:18.700 Statute for, I'm sorry?

00:13:20.020 This needs to stop.

00:13:21.040 Why does it need to stop?

00:13:22.180 Because I'm telling you it needs to stop.

00:13:23.840 What are you going to do?

00:13:25.260 Why do I have to do anything? It needs to stop.

00:13:27.600 Well, I'm a journalist. I'm asking questions.

00:13:29.740 So you, you want me to stop asking questions?

00:13:32.880 I didn't agree to that.

00:13:34.300 Well, you agreed to speak to this individual and tell her that you don't hire Catholics.

00:13:41.560 It's a private conversation. So is it true that what you said, you don't hire Catholics?

00:13:47.540 I'm going to walk with you.

00:13:50.140 Yeah.

00:13:51.160 So you're hearing his internal voice, like, please God, let it stop.

00:13:55.280 Please stop. I mean, this is a really profound moment though, because it says so much about

00:13:58.920 everything. I mean, there's a lot to say. First of all, the first thing to say is after that

00:14:02.460 happened, the, they called the police on me. This is the Port Chester, New York police,

00:14:06.880 three police officers escorted this man to his vehicle and threatened to arrest me for

00:14:13.360 disorderly conduct, right?

00:14:15.300 One party consent.

00:14:15.900 Well, of course it's perfectly legal, but it is one party consent. There's nothing wrong with

00:14:19.500 anything we did. And when they asked me to leave, I left, but they would never threaten News 12,

00:14:23.640 Westchester, NBC4, Fox News. Police officers would never,

00:14:27.220 never ever threaten a journalist with arrest like they did to me. So that's the first thing.

00:14:32.420 Second thing is he said it was a private conversation, but notice he didn't say that

00:14:35.640 he didn't say those things. He said, no, no, no. You got me in an unguarded moment. And of course,

00:14:40.420 the whole purpose of investigative reporting is indeed to get people in unguarded moments to

00:14:45.360 expose the things that people want kept hidden. And these days, our media only trusts the experts,

00:14:51.540 the authorized knowers. They will, they will only report that which the powers that be want

00:14:56.560 the people to know. And this is a critical distinction because you're not allowed to,

00:15:02.180 to report on this. In fact, the attorney general, initially, this is William Tong,

00:15:06.680 attorney general of Connecticut. Day one, what you just saw came out. His response was quote,

00:15:11.320 journalism should be left to journalists. There's something wrong with vigilante journalism,

00:15:17.460 and this should not be celebrated. This is the attorney general called me a quote,

00:15:21.460 vigilante journalist. Now, after he said that, parents were upset about the fact this man was

00:15:28.160 discriminating against people over the age of 30 and so much outrage from the mama bears and mothers.

00:15:33.800 The next day, William Tong said he was launching an investigation. But what is with this, Megan,

00:15:38.440 this attack against me for vigilante journalism? But that's their escape hatch from having to do

00:15:45.580 anything about it. That's somebody who's on the side of this teacher's ideology, looking for a way

00:15:51.820 to dismiss the whole report. But this was too explosive. They couldn't do it. We can. I said

00:15:57.700 yesterday about the Trinity woman. We'll get to her in a second. This female teacher at Trinity in New

00:16:02.500 York City, a private school. In what context could she offer that would lighten her remark about them

00:16:08.840 having to get a serial killer to take out all the white boys? He's so funny. Like, what is it she's going to add

00:16:17.340 on the deleted portion of the interview or the not used that's going to soften that? Right. Like they can't.

00:16:24.620 The only way you get any results is is when you can show them the video and they can't wiggle. Right.

00:16:31.360 Well, they'll say that it's no choice. They'll say that it's edited. That's what they're. So

00:16:35.320 well, we released the full raw, which I have done. But the problem is even the notion that that if I

00:16:41.380 release the full raw, do you think that's going to placate these people? Do you think they're going

00:16:44.540 to go up? OK, you got us. You've done what we have. No, of course not. I released the full raw and

00:16:50.580 then they're going to say, well, now please release the full raw raw. How do we know that you didn't meet

00:16:54.660 with this woman a fourth time or they engage in these sort of conspiracy theories. In fact, one time I had to

00:17:00.580 redact a portion of the tape because my my undercover went to the bathroom. And of course,

00:17:05.140 I'm not going to put on YouTube because they wear cameras on their body. So of course, I would never

00:17:10.220 publish that part. And people were upset at me for redacting and they say edited the tape there. It's

00:17:16.300 it's really a fallacy for them to say that all journalism is edited, obviously, for time and for

00:17:24.180 context. And sometimes any tape package you see on NBC, on Fox News, on any program, if you see

00:17:30.520 a taped packet on 60 minutes, things have been edited out. The question is, are the edits fair

00:17:36.760 and and the consumer makes up his or her mind about who they trust to make fair edits, you know,

00:17:42.580 to sort of leave in if the guy contextualized his remarks in a way that undermined the messages

00:17:49.680 that you're delivering right with your piece, then you have an obligation to include that, you know,

00:17:54.520 like, you know what I'm saying? So that's the question. Are things that would change his overall

00:17:59.300 meaning, soften his overall point or outlook? Right. Were those taken out?

00:18:05.840 Absolutely not. I mean, this is fully in context. We I can assure you of that. And our litigation

00:18:10.900 record is clear. We've won all these lawsuits and the media will say, yes, but you were sued for

00:18:15.400 defamation. And I say and I won in court on summary judgment and directed verdict in those cases. And

00:18:20.780 then they'll literally say in the next sentence, but you were sued for defamation. So it's just it's

00:18:26.640 it's it's it's as you pointed out, it's an ideological crusade. And this is not a political

00:18:32.420 expose. That's why we chose this story, because I think these stories are bringing people together.

00:18:37.100 This is not politics. This is discrimination against people based upon their race or their

00:18:41.640 religion or their age. And I think Project Veritas is going to do more stories like this.

00:18:47.520 I think the country is deeply divided. I think everyone is viewing things through a political

00:18:52.620 lens, a Rorschbach test of what their politics are, including in the state of Connecticut right

00:18:58.540 now, upset that we've exposed this because they like, you know, the Education Association

00:19:03.500 Association actually sent out a memo. This is the teachers union in the state of Connecticut

00:19:07.660 saying that all teachers need to double down on caution and beware of Project Veritas and me,

00:19:15.080 O'Keefe, who is lurking around. I said, double down on caution. Why don't you just not do anything

00:19:21.220 fraudulent? Just don't be biased. Don't be don't do an illegal things. It's it's and people always

00:19:28.060 say, James, how do you catch these people? I say, because because they behave like that. They don't

00:19:32.820 reform the behavior. They just double down on trying not to get caught. So I have to use more

00:19:38.200 elaborate undercover techniques to expose them. But the underlying problem, yes, you've exposed

00:19:43.420 illegality. For sure. You cannot discriminate against people because of their age or their

00:19:47.500 religion. That's very clear. But the underlying threat is because of their conservatism. That's

00:19:52.260 what that guy is trying to weed out. And that is why you're meeting with resistance, because these

00:19:56.340 liberals who are on that teachers or that administrators side of the aisle want to protect

00:20:01.840 him and agree with his approach. That's what's so outrageous about it. The fact that you got two

00:20:08.240 admissions of actually breaking the law is the only thing that's made anybody above that guy in the

00:20:13.980 totem pole listen. Otherwise, they'd be backing him. They'd find some way to back him because they

00:20:19.800 support his approach. It's what's so infuriating when you're in this school system as somebody who

00:20:25.580 is not far left. That's right. And he talks about that subtle. This is a quote from Jeremy

00:20:32.780 Bolling. He talks about the subtle ways that they put this in the curriculum. That's why we're calling

00:20:38.760 the this the series, the secret curriculum. He says, quote, it's so subtle. The teachers I hire

00:20:44.680 will never say, oh, this is a liberal or democratic way of doing this. They'll just make that the norm.

00:20:49.740 And this is how we handle things. It's subtle. That's how you get away with it, unquote, says Jeremy

00:20:55.960 Bolling. I think another position is why is he hiding this? Why hide? Why? Why hide your your

00:21:03.000 MO if there's nothing to be ashamed of? Obviously, there is something to be ashamed of and how they

00:21:08.260 do this. And your point, Megan, is if that was the only thing in the tape, they would be they would

00:21:12.520 be defending this man. It was the it was the discrimination that brought that brought the

00:21:17.160 people together, both in New York City and in Connecticut, because the second official at the at the

00:21:22.300 private school in New York City has also been put on leave as a result of our investigation.

00:21:27.820 Good, good. The one who wants Dexter, a serial killer to come in and take out all the white boys.

00:21:33.640 Yeah, she's definitely going to be suspended and fired or I will personally take my little placard

00:21:39.240 and go march in front of Trinity School, which I know exactly where it is. It's very close to where

00:21:43.640 we used to live. And it's considered truly one of the best, if not the best private school

00:21:48.320 in the country on a lot of these U.S. news and world whatever lists. I was saying yesterday,

00:21:53.480 Katie Couric sent her girls there. All sorts of celebs have gone there. And it's coed. It's 60

00:21:59.880 grand a year. We know that it's left, but the same as our schools and we weren't at Trinity,

00:22:05.380 but the same as our schools. You go to these schools understanding as a New Yorker. Yes,

00:22:09.560 they're left. You're in New York City. Hello. But you don't necessarily understand it's

00:22:14.740 this far gone and this deeply ideologically opposed to just opposing viewpoints that not

00:22:22.220 even just like, OK, yeah, let's make somebody conservative. She's talking about how she just

00:22:26.100 won't allow a Republican or a conservative to come on Trinity's campus, how she's fought back

00:22:32.040 and how even the head of school agreed with her saying, you're right, this is not a time for both

00:22:35.740 sides. That's right. I mean, this is the tape release. Trinity put out a statement, by the way,

00:22:40.780 which I have in front of me. Regrettably, Trinity School. This is the director of student

00:22:46.500 activities. They're not low level people, Megan. This is an assistant principal tasked with all

00:22:50.580 hiring, a director of student activities. Jen Norris has become focus of media attention as a

00:22:57.200 result of video recordings made without her knowledge. Circumstances surrounding the recordings

00:23:02.820 are deeply disturbing. We're profoundly troubled by the reprehensible way Ms. Norris and our school

00:23:07.380 were targeted. That's the new language. I'm targeting these people by interviewing them and

00:23:13.020 asking them questions. It's incredible. That's what they find profoundly troubling. That's their

00:23:17.260 lead. Deeply concerned and profoundly troubled by you, not her. By the fact that I was, quote,

00:23:22.900 targeting. Again, journalists interview people and ask them questions. This is not targeting.

00:23:28.920 This is the job of reporter. But let's go with the statement. We are treating this matter with the

00:23:33.300 utmost seriousness. Importantly, the sentiments expressed in the video do not reflect the mission

00:23:37.240 of the school. They always say the sentiments reflecting the video do not reflect who we are

00:23:41.940 and what we do, but this is what they're on tape doing. How many times do I have to do this over and

00:23:47.200 over again? I remember when you were a Fox reporter and I did the Acorn story 12 years ago. They said,

00:23:51.940 this is an isolated incident. I released part two. Well, that's also isolated and three and four and

00:23:56.220 five and six. How many videos do we have to put out? They put this person on leave and they're

00:24:02.720 retaining an outside lawyer now, Megan, at the Trinity School, which is a very prestigious

00:24:07.380 private school in New York City, to conduct an independent investigation. So the Attorney General

00:24:11.780 of Connecticut and an outside law firm in New York City investigating this behavior. And what I want

00:24:17.880 to know is who are the names of the people that we're discriminated against? So it's one million

00:24:22.560 Catholics in Connecticut. Who are the people that applied for work at these schools and were not

00:24:28.880 hired? And do they have legal recourse as a result of this discrimination that they face?

00:24:33.540 Yes, exactly right. And in fact, some of those people need to come forward to you and say,

00:24:38.180 I heard myself being described in that exchange. We're going to get to your latest tape in one

00:24:43.280 second. But before we do, let's just play for people who haven't heard it. This Trinity School

00:24:47.500 employee high up the totem pole in administration. Again, this is the school I was talking about the

00:24:52.400 private school. The first one was a public elementary school in Connecticut. Second one is a private,

00:24:56.120 well-heeled school in Manhattan. And here is this woman, Jen, who you just mentioned. Sorry,

00:25:03.960 what was her last? Jennifer Norris. Jennifer Norris. Talking about white boys, SOT 9.

00:25:09.940 It's definitely a school where conservatives would not feel comfortable. Unfortunately,

00:25:14.640 it's the white boys who feel very entitled to express their opposite opinions and just push back.

00:25:21.340 Well, there's a huge contingent of love that are just like horrible. And are you always going to

00:25:27.100 be horrible? Or are you just going to be horrible right now? I don't know. Is there any saving these

00:25:33.500 Republican, like white guys? I think they need to go. No, I think they're really awful. Yeah.

00:25:41.900 That's kind of what I'm afraid of with my white students that were rich. I'm like, do you ever

00:25:47.120 have to deal with this? They're so protected by capitalism. It makes me sad.

00:25:54.080 White guys. Like Dexter. Yeah. Yeah. I just wonder how many. Yeah. Oh, no.

00:26:01.880 Taking people out. Okay. So she makes clear that she can't stand that the white kids are horrible

00:26:09.340 and that there's no saving them. Right. He said, is there any saving these Republican white guys? Her

00:26:14.180 answer is, I think they need to go. They're really awful people. So, okay. Even if you want to say

00:26:19.460 it's fine for her to joke about getting a serial killer to murder your child in her school, which

00:26:24.720 I'm just going to go ahead and say on behalf of every sane person, that's not okay. Not in jest,

00:26:29.560 not in any context. She's already on record a moment before that saying the Republican white kids

00:26:36.940 guys need to go. They're really awful people. You know, it needs to go. You, Jennifer, you,

00:26:43.620 you need to leave public education, private education, education of all sorts. And I'm

00:26:48.060 sure somebody at the Democratic National Committee will be all too quick to hire you.

00:26:51.500 I mean, yes, but also, I mean, would people prefer that we not have exposed this? The statement by

00:27:00.560 Trinity School, this is a profoundly difficult moment. Ms. Norris and our school were targeted,

00:27:06.880 troubled by the reprehensible way they were targeted, Megan, and also this quote about vigilante

00:27:12.960 journalism in the state of Connecticut. Would these people have preferred, I mean, Trinity School should

00:27:17.900 be thanking Project Veritas, right? They put this one on leave for a reason. You are so right.

00:27:23.820 They put her on leave. So I guess we're doing the job. I mean, they say in the statement also,

00:27:28.360 Megan, this is a long statement released by John Allman, head of school, president of the board of

00:27:33.080 trustees, David Perez. We are, we are, we believe in love, respect, and inclusion, and our community

00:27:41.200 stands for and strives to look at these ideals. That is not an inclusive, loving statement that the

00:27:47.220 white boys need to go and we need to target people like a serial killer. Obviously she's,

00:27:52.820 she's joking there, but it's indicative of a culture and an ethos of the learning mentality at

00:28:00.280 that school. So my position is that the attorney general and the board of trustees of Trinity,

00:28:06.300 attorney general of Connecticut, the board of trustees should be thanking Project Veritas because,

00:28:10.460 but not for what we exposed, those people would still be educating your children.

00:28:14.740 What, think about it this way. Think about it. If, if Jennifer Norris had said, um,

00:28:22.100 unfortunately it's the black boys who feel very entitled to express their opposite opinions and

00:28:28.120 push back. There's a huge contingent of them. They're just like horrible. And you're like,

00:28:32.680 you always going to be horrible. You're just going to be horrible right now. The question,

00:28:36.480 is there any saving these change it, uh, Democrat black guys? I don't know. I think they need to go.

00:28:43.300 They're really awful people. That's what I'm afraid of with my black students that are poor.

00:28:49.080 I'm like, do you ever have to deal with these problems? They're so protected. It makes me sad.

00:28:52.980 We need to find some like Dexter, sort of like a vigilante to take people out in particular,

00:28:59.540 the black boys. She would be fired within two seconds of your videotape hitting air. The fact

00:29:06.960 that these kids are white and boys has somehow shielded her from immediate termination. Um,

00:29:13.900 and it's wrong. It's like this, as soon as I got wind of the fact that this is how my school was

00:29:22.200 effectively looking at my boys. And just again, for people who don't know, but the final straw was,

00:29:27.820 I found out that they wanted it to be mandatory reading amongst the faculty. They were circulating

00:29:32.480 this piece by some academic professor at another institution in which this person argued that

00:29:39.140 every classroom where white children learn, there is a future killer cop. And they wanted my six year

00:29:46.300 old's first grade teacher to be aware of what they considered this fact that I guess in my six year

00:29:54.400 old boy's classroom, there was a future killer cop. And I thought to myself, Oh, who is it? My boy?

00:30:01.020 Is it my sweet Thatcher? Is it, it is, is it his little buddies who he hangs out with and does

00:30:06.420 four square with and plays baseball with? Are those the future killer cops? Show me which one is it?

00:30:11.600 How should the teacher be treating them? But that's the ideology. This is how they're looking.

00:30:15.820 She's looking at these white kids who probably haven't said anything to her walking down the

00:30:21.520 hall thinking, we need a vigilante. You're horrible. You need to go. There's no saving you.

00:30:28.380 She has to be fired or I'm literally getting a placard and marching in front of Trinity myself.

00:30:34.200 I think there is a protest, Megan, in front of Trinity today. I think there are people there. And

00:30:39.140 I love your indignation and your passion and your righteous indignation is, is reminds me of a lot of

00:30:44.880 the mothers that are reaching out to us. We've had thousands of mothers reach out to Project Veritas.

00:30:48.820 I appreciate your passion and, and you don't mess with a, with a, with someone's children. You just

00:30:54.180 don't do that. And it's, it's raw. It's un-American.

00:30:56.240 That's it, James. That's it. Can I just say one thing? That's what makes this very different from

00:31:00.460 anything else that you've done with the exception of the thing you started with, another case, but

00:31:06.260 we're talking about kids. I don't care if you don't like James's tactics or not,

00:31:10.240 or not, whatever you're entitled to your opinion. If you have objections to the way James goes about

00:31:14.200 this, but these people have access to minors, to, to very young children and are shaping their

00:31:21.200 minds, their education, their curriculum, their future experience, they're minors. And the parents

00:31:27.220 in many instances have no idea that these educators aren't just left or liberal, but hate,

00:31:33.220 hate, hate white kids, white boys, conservative leaning families, and so on. And without James

00:31:40.620 O'Keefe, you'd still have the thought bubble of maybe probably not that bad. What's the

00:31:45.680 big deal? Thanks to him. You can see for yourself, the parents at Trinity, the parents at Cosco

00:31:50.520 Elementary, and we'll get to the latest school in New York city now have proof positive about

00:31:55.260 what they think about your child. And if you think your kid's safe because he's liberal,

00:31:59.360 think again, because the white boys are what she found so objectionable.

00:32:03.660 That's right. And another school released, this is a, this is released yesterday.

00:32:07.840 This is New York city assistant principal. This is a, a Todd Soper is his grade K through four

00:32:14.760 assistant principal. Wait, wait, let me, let me pause you there. Let me pause you there,

00:32:17.560 James, because I'm going to take a quick break. When we come back, we'll do Soper,

00:32:21.180 Soper, and we'll do your, your bit with him. All right. So stand by more with James O'Keefe ahead.

00:32:25.440 We're going to show you the confrontation with that school administrator.

00:32:33.220 All right, before we do Todd Soper, let's finish up with Jennifer Norris from Trinity,

00:32:39.020 because you also had the moment where you confronted her on what she had just said on

00:32:44.500 camera, the white boys, the Dexter serial killer, all of it. And it went on. I mean,

00:32:49.340 she'd really just go check out all the tapes at project Veritas website, but here's James confronting

00:32:54.940 Ms. Norris. Hi, is this seat taken? Okay. By whom?

00:33:03.060 That person works for me. My name is James O'Keefe. I'm with project Veritas and you are on hidden

00:33:11.240 camera speaking to our undercover journalist. That's the man that was meeting with you and

00:33:18.660 you're on tape. You work for Trinity school, right? The director of student activities and you're on tape

00:33:24.440 and you're saying, I don't hide how I feel, but I can't pretend I'm not promoting an agenda.

00:33:28.560 You're recorded making all these statements, even though I clearly am promoting agenda and stuff

00:33:33.220 I'm doing. What agenda are you promoting? I have no idea what this is. Well, it's, it's a,

00:33:37.840 it's an undercover investigation by project Veritas. You're, you work at Trinity school.

00:33:43.120 You've been caught on camera. You're literally on camera. White boys feel very entitled to express

00:33:47.420 their opinions. She's walked into the dentist's office here, hiding from project Veritas.

00:33:54.440 Obviously last time they ducked into the pharmacy. This time they ducked into the dentist office,

00:34:01.680 perhaps to get a root canal. Oh, they put the blinds down. Democracy literally died in darkness

00:34:08.540 here. Yeah. It's pretty funny. The moments they feast, these confrontations, the funny things that

00:34:14.420 happen, they always hide and they always run by the way. And sometimes they sprint Megan. They'll run

00:34:19.920 as fast as they can. And how bad must it be when there's literally nothing you can say that won't

00:34:25.200 make it worse? Right. Right. I mean, we think about it. Like why not just spare one moment to say,

00:34:32.060 you know what? I shouldn't, you're right. I shouldn't have said that. Like that was stupid.

00:34:37.060 I was on a date, right? Like I thought I was on a date. I was loose talk and I had a drink and I,

00:34:42.680 I, that sounds moronic now that you call it to my attention. She would have been so much better

00:34:46.440 served if she had said that. I think that's actually the dividing lines in this country.

00:34:50.380 It's not almost left and right. It's just like, do you believe in light or do you believe in

00:34:53.740 darkness? Do you live in transparency or do you believe in coverups? And that's really what it's

00:34:58.180 about. And, and the fact that I'm litigating this in the media itself, Megan, I mean, this is so

00:35:03.900 existential that, I mean, people think of Veritas, they think of doctored tapes and false pretenses and

00:35:09.720 all the, I mean, the fact the media is, is not on my side on this gives me pause. This is a first

00:35:16.880 amendment crusade to bring transparency in our institutions. And she, she runs into a dentist

00:35:21.780 office across the street from this restaurant and the people in the dentist office close the blinds

00:35:26.640 so that the journalist, I mean, in the first case, the police officers escort the assistant principal

00:35:32.500 to the vehicle. It's like almost like an exercise in power. Let's exercise our power over the

00:35:38.280 journalist and hide the information from people. And they would never, ever, ever do this.

00:35:45.020 What you do is a long history. CNN showed up. No. And what you do has a long history in

00:35:49.840 journalism. This is not, you didn't invent this. Um, John Stossel, my pal used to do this for years

00:35:55.380 for 2020 at ABC, these undercover investigations. And, um, Oh God, I'm forgetting his buddy's name,

00:36:02.340 Arnie. Uh, Oh, forgive me. It'll come to me. Um, but anyway, consumer reporters have been doing

00:36:08.040 this for years on companies that are taking advantage of consumers in one way, shape or form

00:36:12.280 at Fox. We use Douglas Kennedy who would go in there and confront people who were taking advantage of

00:36:18.000 young women or, you know, had some sort of not so cool operation, um, that needed to be exposed

00:36:23.680 behind the scenes. And the only way to do it was with a hidden camera. So this is not new. You're

00:36:28.600 just, what's new about you is you're taking a look at individuals and organizations that are beloved

00:36:34.700 on the left. And that's what gets you in trouble. That's why they don't like it.

00:36:39.680 Right. Yes, indeed. And there's, but there's more to come with these tapes. Uh, we don't

00:36:45.320 stop. Arnold Diaz, shame on you. Sorry. He's a friend too. I shouldn't have forgot that. Keep going.

00:36:50.780 Yes. And I think it was the litigation, Megan, that caused the demise of this,

00:36:54.000 the lawsuits because ABC primetime was sued in the nineties. Mike Wallace, 60 minutes was sued

00:36:59.140 a number of times. Veritas, as you may or may not know, your audience may remember. We don't

00:37:02.960 settle lawsuits. We litigate all the way to, to directed verdict. In fact, we have a trial coming

00:37:07.200 up next week in Washington, DC. I'm a defendant in a civil trial. I was sued for undercover reporting

00:37:12.260 on Bob Kramer and democracy partners, which was a story you covered in the 2016 election live on the

00:37:18.040 air with, uh, you interviewed Donna Brazile in fact, and talked to her about Bob Kramer. He sued me.

00:37:23.300 We're going to a trial because at project for us, we refuse to settle these lawsuits.

00:37:27.560 We've never lost, but you're, you're right that they've done this in the past. Um, and, uh,

00:37:32.480 she was caught. You saw her on the street there, ran away from me, ran to the dentist office to

00:37:36.980 close the blinds. It would make a lot more sense for them to say, I said what I said. It doesn't

00:37:41.420 look good. I'm taking responsibility for what I said. Yes. Yes. It was like, it was a dumb ass move.

00:37:46.100 I don't, you know, like whatever. I mean, I think most people can understand. I had a few drinks. I was

00:37:50.220 on a date that was, you know, yeah, I got to reevaluate the way I speak about this important

00:37:55.840 group of people who are minors to whom I have daily access and whatever, something to show some

00:38:01.200 humility about the moronic things you've just done and said, what about the notion that, you know,

00:38:06.700 the guy in the fifth column, he was very funny. My, um, uh, Moynihan yesterday was saying,

00:38:11.220 Michael Moynihan was saying, he goes, I'd really like it to be a two camera shoot because

00:38:15.700 I could be across if she's from ISIS, if she's hot enough, I'd kind of say like, yeah, sure.

00:38:22.120 They had a rough time, but at least they were really solid in their moral principle.

00:38:26.820 And what type of person brags to a hot chick about all the people he's discriminating against?

00:38:33.580 There's an element of, I mean, I've heard that used as an excuse, but two, I have two responses.

00:38:38.420 A, what type of, what type of guy brags to a hot girl that he's discriminating against people based

00:38:43.220 upon their age when hiring in a public school. That's, that's, that's a bizarre, strange,

00:38:48.660 narcissistic thing to do. And it's evidence of other problems with their person. Perhaps they

00:38:53.180 shouldn't be an assistant principal. If that person behaves in such a matter, perhaps that person

00:38:57.340 shouldn't have authority over your children. If that person brags to a hot chick about all the

00:39:01.940 people they're discriminating against, but moreover, they're doing this in a public place. They know

00:39:06.120 that they're being spoken to. We don't bug these people. We don't wiretap them. We don't entrap them to

00:39:11.100 your point. We don't make them say these things that they say. So the criticisms sort of melt under

00:39:19.060 scrutiny. The attacks on us don't carry weight. Todd Soper is with the Department of Ed in New York

00:39:26.900 City, helps run the charter school system. Yes. He's a grade K through four assistant principal at

00:39:32.720 neighborhood charter schools. So now we've covered public schools and education, private schools in

00:39:37.980 New York City, Trinity, and now charter schools, which do receive public funds. And he says, quote,

00:39:42.960 we have very specific questions. When we hire people, he says, and ultimately our diversity,

00:39:48.700 equity, inclusion program question is very telling. If somebody has done a lot of work within themselves,

00:39:53.180 within the profession, if people don't answer this question, right, well, we do not hire them,

00:39:58.940 which is another example of this sort of discrimination based upon creed, based upon ideology

00:40:04.320 that Soper gets into, into this tape. Okay. So you have, we'll play that one. And then I want

00:40:09.540 to play the next one too, because then he also says, and you'll be fired if you manage to get past

00:40:14.260 the screening process. And it turns out you don't share my worldview. Here's the first soundbite that

00:40:18.860 James just referenced. What would you do that as a principal, if you knew there was a conservative

00:40:25.540 applying, would you hire such a person? Yeah.

00:40:29.200 We have very specific questions and like ultimately like our diversity, equity, inclusion question,

00:40:34.180 like our DEI question is like, it's very telling if somebody has like done a lot of work within

00:40:42.800 themselves, within the profession. But even conservative, like even.

00:40:47.540 And it comes out, like if people don't answer that question, right, they're just an automatic.

00:40:52.340 Like what? Give me an example of not answering that question. Like what are the words?

00:40:55.780 If they say that like diversity is about, if they say something that lends itself to be

00:41:03.820 colorblind, which could happen like, oh, it's like, you know, like everyone is equal, like

00:41:10.140 those things that are well-intentioned statements, but they're missing the depth of understanding

00:41:17.500 of how the intersections of our identity live out in the world. It's like that person.

00:41:24.500 Yeah. So like Dr. Carol Swain, who's a person of color, extremely accomplished, Dr. Glenn Lowry

00:41:32.520 of Brown and Harvard. So like those people could not get hired by this moron because they don't see

00:41:39.020 color in exactly the way this guy does. Yeah. Another example of discrimination,

00:41:44.760 another example of what we've seen. The isolated incident does not appear to be so isolated. I'm

00:41:50.200 sure maybe the majority of people think this way. By the way, Megan, we've reached out to

00:41:56.200 the school. We received a comment this morning that this person is indeed still employed at the school,

00:42:02.240 but we've seen that before. And then there's outcries from parents and then they are let go.

00:42:08.120 So a lot of times it's the national outrage that the statewide outrage that forces them to leave the

00:42:13.860 school. Here's the one about where he gets specific about kind of making it an intolerable for this one

00:42:22.300 professor, this one teacher who then left. This woman needs to come forward. She needs to contact

00:42:29.220 James O'Keefe or me. And I'll put you in touch with James. Here it is. Listen, sound like two.

00:42:33.960 There is one teacher who almost refused to talk about Juneteenth a few years ago and didn't want to

00:42:44.140 teach a lesson in addition to their neurodiversity and their special needs. Our students' lives matter

00:42:51.280 based on the color of their skin and how that intertwines into the context of the world. And so if you're

00:42:59.160 not willing to embrace fully that aspect of our students and that means talking openly about race

00:43:08.940 and talking about injustices in the world, then I don't know if you're going to be able to fully

00:43:13.560 fulfill your responsibilities. What was her reasoning for being resistant? She didn't want to teach Black

00:43:20.980 Lives Matter. I don't think she thinks that the race is a big deal. So she was just kind of like,

00:43:27.780 I mean, it's not that big of a deal. Like, I love kids, so it's fun. I was like, well, no,

00:43:31.300 like you have to love all of them. So you have to acknowledge that there is the potential for

00:43:37.120 little students have experienced discrimination. Was she fired? She left. She would have probably

00:43:43.120 been fired eventually just based off of like mindset, but yeah, she left. We need to find that

00:43:50.120 woman because it sounds like she was effectively terminated. You can make a case, you know, if they

00:43:54.540 make it so intolerable, you can't work there. But it's because she said, I love kids and I really

00:44:01.140 don't think race is a big deal. And his message was, no, our student lives matter based on the color

00:44:07.940 of their skin. And if you're not willing to fully embrace that, you're not going to last long.

00:44:13.820 You'll be fired if you don't. This is interesting. You'll be fired if you don't do do the things that

00:44:19.460 these people we caught on tape are doing. These people are being let go for what they're saying,

00:44:25.720 but they're saying the school has this position. So yeah, Megan, it's VeritasTips at ProtonMail.com,

00:44:30.860 or you could just send it to Megan and she'll forward it to me. But if you're a teacher who

00:44:34.900 has been discriminated against at Trinity or this charter school, neighborhood charter schools,

00:44:39.580 or in Costco, were you over the age of 30 or were you Catholic and you applied to work there in the

00:44:44.780 last decade, reach out to us. You might have a civil rights complaint against these schools.

00:44:50.080 Say it again, the email.

00:44:51.540 VeritasTips, that's V-E-R-I-T-A-S tips at ProtonMail.com. We've had thousands of people message

00:44:59.680 us following up Connecticut leads. We'll have more coming out shortly. But if you're a teacher

00:45:04.720 who is discriminated against, we want to hear from you. If you have any tips about fraud or abuse

00:45:10.000 in your school system, anywhere in the country, we have a team of 30 undercover reporters that

00:45:15.540 we dispatch every day to go ferret this stuff out. Thank God. Thank God. And you should contact

00:45:21.460 James because he won't bury it like most of these other media sites, which suddenly lose interest.

00:45:26.760 Before I let you go, let me ask you quickly. Last time you were on, we had you on, we had Harmeet

00:45:30.560 Dillon, your lawyer. We talked a little bit about the Ashley Biden diary and the feds raiding you.

00:45:36.100 Since then, two people have pleaded guilty to stealing that diary, Ashley Biden's, which you

00:45:42.320 never had anything to do with. You said people came to you and said, we have it. Now they've

00:45:47.020 pleaded guilty to stealing it. You never published it. But do you think the FBI is trying to close in

00:45:54.300 on you? Because normally they don't cut a deal with somebody like the thieves if they're not looking

00:45:59.900 more strongly at somebody else. Well, I can't imagine that the attorney general of the United States,

00:46:05.440 Merrick Garland would authorize a prosecution of journalists engage in lawful protected First

00:46:10.740 Amendment news gathering. And the media should, if he does, the First Amendment and a free press are

00:46:17.620 dead. And perhaps journalism has already been changed forever when they raided my home, which

00:46:22.600 they were not allowed to do based upon the Privacy Protection Act and various laws and regulations

00:46:27.940 in the attorney general's office. So this might be the DOJ and FBI trying to criminalize journalism

00:46:33.760 and attacking responsible journalists. But my journalists did nothing wrong. They broke no laws

00:46:39.100 and everything they did was routinely protected commonplace First Amendment journalism.

00:46:43.720 Megan, the only way you get in trouble as a journalist is if you participate in the underlying

00:46:49.300 crime. But if you just take the fruits of that crime and put them in a newspaper or put them on the

00:46:55.080 air, you're in a safe, protected category. That's how The New York Times gets away with publishing

00:46:59.000 Trump's tax returns. That's how we had the Pentagon Papers. All these things. It's like as long as the

00:47:03.920 journalist doesn't actually participate in the underlying crime, which as far as I can tell,

00:47:07.460 nobody's even alleged that the feds are supposed to leave you alone. James, much, much more to come,

00:47:13.220 I'm sure. We'll look forward to the follow up. And he's got another video coming on Friday. So

00:47:17.480 keep your eyes peeled for that. All the best to you. Thank you, Megan.

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00:47:59.820 The sage from South Central, Larry Elder, joins us now to talk the latest controversy with BLM,

00:48:05.660 Hillary Clinton's continued hypocrisy on stolen elections. She's like, who? Me? I never. What?

00:48:11.640 And the real reason God gave us two arms, according to a White House COVID advisor.

00:48:16.160 And most importantly, we're going to discuss Larry's new must-see movie, Uncle Tom 2. It's

00:48:25.220 spectacular. Spectacular. Okay. Welcome back to the show, Larry. So great to see you.

00:48:30.580 You too, Megan. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

00:48:32.840 All right. Let's get to a little news before we get to the movie, which I absolutely loved.

00:48:36.460 Everybody's got to download it. Go to UncleTom.com, right? UncleTom.com. It's at the old,

00:48:42.760 the first. Okay. UncleTom.com. So first of all,

00:48:46.160 Black Lives Matter continues to disintegrate in terms of its credibility and trustworthiness.

00:48:51.860 A couple of months ago, there was the article broke that Patrice Cullors, who is BLM co-founder,

00:48:57.680 admitted to using $6 million mansion for parties and so on after denying it. She was, you know,

00:49:03.100 having her son's birthday party there, all sorts of things. She was forced to basically step down,

00:49:07.440 and she handpicked her successor. This guy, Shalamaya Bowers, who I want to correct myself,

00:49:14.780 was not her ex-husband from the look of it or her current husband, but somebody who'd been advising

00:49:18.920 her for a couple of years. So she gets in trouble and she says, all right, Bowers is going to take

00:49:23.060 over BLM. Fear not. I got, you know, new sheriff in town. Don't, don't diss the organization for my

00:49:28.760 misuse of funds and so on. Well, now we have 26 BLM chapters accusing this guy, Bowers, of unjustly

00:49:38.380 enriching himself, specifically stealing $10 million in charitable contributions for personal

00:49:45.420 expenditures. He denies that he's done it. He's suggesting that the BLM grassroots network

00:49:51.940 is complicit in systemic racism against him because they sued him. Larry, you can't make it up.

00:50:02.380 So yet again, we have another BLM scandal that will get swept under the rug as these big corporations

00:50:09.500 continue to funnel money out to it to make themselves feel better. You know, Megan, and when

00:50:13.940 Patrice Cullors was accused of not filing documents on time, she also whipped out both the gender and

00:50:19.400 race card and said she was, quote unquote, triggered by the idea that she has to do all

00:50:23.300 these filings. What do I know about filings? I've never run a nonprofit before. What do I know about

00:50:26.900 filings? Look, Megan, the bottom line is this organization was birthed in fraud. It started

00:50:32.520 because of the death of Trayvon Martin. You recall George Zimmerman who shot and killed Trayvon Martin

00:50:38.000 was found not guilty. The jury did not have any blacks on it, but there was a black alternate. And the

00:50:42.640 alternate said he would have found him not guilty as well. And that race never came up. You've got a lot

00:50:47.640 of juice because of the death of Michael Brown and Ferguson. You also found out, of course, that was

00:50:50.940 fraudulent. He did not have his hands up, did not say don't shoot. And the officer was completely

00:50:57.320 exonerated. And then, of course, the death of George Floyd also gave it a lot of energy. And

00:51:03.100 however you feel about the verdict of Derek Chauvin, I think it was a just verdict, there's

00:51:08.160 zero evidence that Derek Chauvin was motivated because George Floyd is black. In fact, the lead

00:51:12.600 prosecutor, a black man, took pains in his opening statement to say not all cops are on trial. Not

00:51:18.640 all Minneapolis cops are on trial. This individual is on trial for the murder of George Floyd. And

00:51:24.760 there were four cops that day. Two of them were white, including Chauvin, of course. But one of

00:51:29.260 them was Mong. The other one had a father from Nigeria. So the whole thing then triggered four

00:51:34.560 months of riots, 25 people killed, at least 2,000 officers injured, at least $2 billion in damages,

00:51:41.020 at least because that's insured damage. That doesn't count the non-insured damage. So all

00:51:45.200 of this is banned by Black Lives Matter, whose co-founders, by the way, are trained Marxists.

00:51:50.540 Marxists did not believe in God, did not believe in ownership of private property, let alone

00:51:54.580 owning four or five mansions, which is what Patrice Cullors owns. The whole thing is a complete

00:51:59.460 and total insult and a fraud.

00:52:02.420 And yet, you know, in our first hour, we had James O'Keefe on, who's been doing these

00:52:06.260 undercover videos of school administrators and teachers. And the latest guy is,

00:52:11.020 on camera, basically saying, you have to believe in Black Lives Matter. You have to believe that

00:52:15.700 skin color determines whether your life matters, is essentially what he said,

00:52:20.120 or you're not getting hired there. And if you don't want to teach Juneteenth and make race a

00:52:25.900 factor in your teaching, you're going to be fired. That's what he said. I mean, there's still like

00:52:31.500 pushing this on our kids like BLM is trustworthy and real and the principles must be adopted.

00:52:38.460 You know, one of the things that I cover in the documentary we're going to talk about later on

00:52:43.060 is how Black people were able to survive and grow and keep moving forward right after slavery,

00:52:49.100 despite horrific obstacles, despite the Klan, despite lynchings, and despite Jim Crow.

00:52:53.460 Why? Because of a belief in family. 1910, 1920, in many cities, a Black kid was more likely to enter the

00:52:59.840 world with a father married to his mother than even a white kid. Also because of belief in American

00:53:05.040 values. You look at speeches by people like Frederick Douglass, they are replete, Megan,

00:53:09.040 with references to American values, even if America was not living up to those values. Belief in God,

00:53:14.480 Judeo-Christian ethic. Marxists, these people were trained Marxists who founded BLM. Marxists

00:53:19.660 were the courts of atheists who wanted to dethrone God and a belief in entrepreneurship. 1940, 87% of

00:53:26.000 Black people live below the federally defined level of poverty. 20 years later, that number had dropped

00:53:30.500 to 40%. A 40-point drop in about 20 years, the greatest period of 20-year period of economic

00:53:37.560 expansion in the history of Black America. This was before the civil rights legislation of the

00:53:41.740 mid-60s, before Brown versus Board of Education, because of belief in all the things that Black

00:53:46.020 Lives Matter does not support. On their website, they even trash the concept of a nuclear intact family

00:53:51.300 as a Western construct. So the whole thing is insulting, and 85% of Blacks support Black Lives Matter

00:53:58.380 movement, even though the whole premise is that America remains systemically racist. And that,

00:54:03.780 of course, is a huge lie. Barack Obama got a higher percentage of the white vote than John Kerry did

00:54:08.880 four years earlier. And this notion that Donald Trump sent a racist dog whistle in order to get

00:54:14.200 white races to vote for him can be refuted by a couple of things. Barack Obama in 2008-2012 won 700

00:54:20.720 of the same counties. In 2016, four years later, 200 of those counties voted for Donald Trump. So were

00:54:27.320 they not racist 2008-2012, but suddenly became racist? And here's another factoid. The city of

00:54:33.480 over 100,000, Megan, that most voted for Donald Trump was Abilene, Texas. He got about 85% of the vote.

00:54:39.540 The city is about 140 years old. Guess which city voted for its first Black mayor within a few months

00:54:44.920 that it voted for Donald Trump for president by an overwhelming margin? Abilene, Texas. So Abilene,

00:54:51.380 Texas, therefore, is the most racist city in the country since they most voted for Donald Trump,

00:54:56.560 then turned around and votes for a Black man for its mayor? Give me a break. And Chris Wallace,

00:55:01.220 who was a longtime host on MSNB Heehaw, that's what I call it, and I know you know who he is. He's a

00:55:06.100 left-wing guy. He used to be the press secretary for Tip O'Neill, the longtime Democrat Speaker of the

00:55:12.560 House. And Chris wrote a book called Hardball. His left-wing bona fides cannot be challenged.

00:55:19.100 I'm sorry, you're right. Chris Matthews. His left-wing bona fides cannot be challenged.

00:55:23.320 He once said publicly on MSNBC that most white people, quote, would not vote for somebody if

00:55:29.160 they thought they were racist, close quote. So here is Chris Matthews admitting that most white

00:55:34.160 people would never vote for somebody if they thought he was racist. So why would it be in Donald

00:55:37.980 Trump's best interest to, quote, send a racist dog whistle to white people to have them vote for him

00:55:43.280 because he'll advance their racist agenda? The whole thing is asinine. And racism has never been

00:55:49.140 a less significant problem in American life. You know, there are think tanks on the left, like

00:55:53.760 Brookings, and think tanks on the right, like American Enterprise Institute, and they disagree

00:55:57.660 about all sorts of things. But they agree about the formula to escape poverty. Finish high school,

00:56:03.340 one presumably where you can read, write, and compute at grade level. Number two, don't have a kid

00:56:07.360 before you're 20. Number three, get married before you have a kid. Number four, get a job, keep the

00:56:11.660 job. Even if it's a minimum wage job, don't quit that job till you get another job. And number five,

00:56:16.380 avoid the criminal justice system. You do that, you will not be poor. And the idea that America

00:56:21.560 is systemically racist when you have a whole bunch of Haitians lining up to get here, just for a shot

00:56:27.100 to get in America. And I have a clip in my documentary by a pastor named Voli Bauckham. And he says,

00:56:32.380 there's no country in the world where a Black person would rather be unless, of course,

00:56:36.100 that Black person was born here in America. Now, tell it to Bank of America, because they're doing

00:56:41.880 right now sort of at the mortgage level what we're doing at the federal level and just making things

00:56:47.700 easier because we feel bad about our prior history because the federal student loan thing. Now you've

00:56:52.780 got a lot of activists coming out and saying this isn't particularly important for Black and brown

00:56:56.980 people. And you got Bank of America that's now making it easier for Blacks to get mortgages

00:57:03.840 because they've got a bad history in this department, as a lot of the banks do.

00:57:08.980 And I understand a lot of people are like, good, you know what? They haven't gone far enough. They

00:57:12.140 need to make it easier for families applying for mortgages, Black families in particular,

00:57:15.840 to get mortgages. But I've read enough Shelby Steele, Larry, listened to enough Larry Elder,

00:57:20.960 read enough Thomas Sowell to know that within the Black intellectual community that writes about

00:57:25.820 this stuff a lot, this is extremely controversial.

00:57:28.040 We've seen this movie before. A young attorney in private practice named Barack Obama joined with

00:57:34.620 other lawyers to file a class action lawsuit in the 90s on behalf of 186 Black people who applied

00:57:41.420 for mortgages at Citigroup and were turned down and claimed they were turned down because of racism.

00:57:46.600 Citigroup settled and said, OK, I gave them the mortgage. Fast forward, only a handful of them were

00:57:51.300 able to maintain the houses with clean credit. Several of them filed for bankruptcy. Two of them even said,

00:57:56.300 Megan, you know what? You ought not lend somebody money when they're not creditworthy, which shows you that

00:58:01.920 they were turned down because they were not creditworthy. The same thing is going to happen here. You

00:58:06.140 throw out the normal criteria to give somebody some money, criteria which is built up over hundreds of

00:58:12.180 years to determine whether or not somebody can pay back a loan, and they are not going to be able to pay back

00:58:16.740 that loan. And when there's a recession, and there always are recessions, they're going to lose

00:58:20.380 everything, including all the money they put into the house. So it's going to backfire, just as race-based

00:58:24.600 preferences, backfire when you lower standards to admit people into college. They can't keep up. There's a much

00:58:29.620 higher rate of Black people dropping out who were admitted with dramatically lower standards. It's

00:58:34.600 condescending, and it will end up hurting the very people that the Bank of America wants to help.

00:58:42.600 I mentioned the student loan thing. That's another. There's a New York Times guest opinion piece out

00:58:48.200 that talks about how the mass cancellation of federal student loans will not only remove a crushing

00:58:55.060 economic weight for tens of millions of people, but it will lift a significant emotional weight as

00:59:00.260 well. And it talks about how even the seemingly innocuous phase loan forgiveness implies culpability

00:59:06.260 and blame, when in reality, the majority of debtors are simply struggling to make ends meet. These are

00:59:12.900 people who might be making as much as $249,000 a year married couple. A problem. And by the way,

00:59:18.940 they have law degrees, they have medical school degrees, they have advanced degrees. I'm like,

00:59:22.220 okay, pardon me if I'm not getting out my little violin. Then the author goes on to say, this is

00:59:26.980 Astra Taylor, goes on to say, this is a problem likely to be most acute for Black and brown people

00:59:33.800 who tend to lack family wealth and access to credit on fair terms. You don't say. So this person,

00:59:42.220 Astra Taylor would like us to know that Black people don't have family wealth and they don't

00:59:45.900 have access to credit on fair terms. And that is yet another reason to justify Joe Biden's student

00:59:51.920 loan, quote, forgiveness program. You know, where do you start with this? You can't even say

00:59:56.960 forgiveness anymore because that hurts people's feelings. That's like calling illegal aliens,

01:00:00.280 illegal aliens. You can't do that anymore. You can't call homeless people out here in California

01:00:04.020 homeless. You have to call them unhoused. The bottom line is the majority of those who are going to

01:00:09.560 have these loans forgiven are making at, or will soon make above the national average. They're

01:00:14.720 the most capable of paying off the loans. And the, you know, the coup de grace is when Lawrence

01:00:19.820 Tribe, the longtime Harvard professor tweeted, thank goodness. Now many of my students will be able to

01:00:25.200 have the burden lifted from them. Harvard law students need to have the burden lifted from them.

01:00:30.160 It's insulting to all the people who went to college and paid off their loans. It's insulting to

01:00:34.280 all the people who never went to college. It will be inflationary. It will increase the national debt

01:00:39.860 and will increase the deficit. The whole thing is, you know, you take out a loan, you pay it back.

01:00:46.460 Nobody put a gun to the head of any of these people. And by the way, I still have a mortgage.

01:00:51.240 Does my mortgage identify as a student loan? You know, the way people identify as a male? I think my

01:00:58.560 mortgage identifies as a student loan, Megan, and maybe you ought to get a break for Larry Elder as well.

01:01:02.700 Again, it's insulting.

01:01:04.940 You're, you're, you're not black. You're a white supremacist. Yeah, as you know,

01:01:07.600 so you're not, you're not getting it. No, get it right, Megan. I'm the black face of white

01:01:11.180 supremacy. I've worked hard for that title. I've worked hard for that title.

01:01:13.900 Maybe there's a backdoor then for you. You might, you might still be in the running.

01:01:17.420 It's so crazy. And I love like just the, just, you know, so blacks tend to lack family wealth.

01:01:23.360 So they need, so first of all, I don't have any family wealth. I had no family wealth when I went to law

01:01:28.820 school, but you know, like most of my black colleagues, I took out loans and then I paid

01:01:33.200 them back, which I was able to do because I was a lawyer. It's just the presumption that the absence

01:01:39.460 of a history of family dough means you as a black person, aren't going to be able to repay your loans

01:01:44.720 seems inherently racist to me. But of course the left gets away with their racism.

01:01:48.540 Well, the, uh, the average Nigerian American has a higher net worth than the average white

01:01:55.180 American. Uh, and America's systemic racism. How do you explain that? There are all sorts of reasons

01:02:00.800 why black people quote, lack generational wealth. Uh, and, um, some of it has to do with, with spending

01:02:06.940 habits and saving habits. You look at a black person making a hundred grand and compare that black

01:02:11.240 person to a white person making a hundred grand. The white person more likely to have money in the

01:02:14.900 stock market, uh, less likely to spend money on, on, on, on, on, on perishable items, uh, like,

01:02:20.840 like, like shoes and like clothing. Uh, and you look at the average Asian applicant for a loan,

01:02:26.800 the average Asian applicant will have his or her loan approved at a higher rate than the average white

01:02:31.980 person. Why Asians live well below their, their, their means, uh, because they are demons on saving

01:02:37.800 money. So a lot of it has to do with behavior. And even if it didn't, uh, is it everybody else's job to

01:02:43.300 make black people's net worth increase? Hmm. All right, let's move on to Hillary Clinton because

01:02:48.800 she's in the news today and I've been dying to discuss this with you. So Hillary Clinton is now

01:02:53.160 pretending like she did not call Donald Trump an illegitimate president when he beat her in 2016.

01:03:00.080 She's expressing her horror and how indignant she is over him challenging the 2020 election results.

01:03:07.520 And okay, that's fine. You can say you don't like how Trump behaved after, you know, whatever his loss,

01:03:12.100 January 6th, the whole bit, but you cannot, if you are Hillary Clinton play the whatever challenge

01:03:18.320 and election result card, you're the one person who should really be quiet. You and Stacey Abrams

01:03:23.900 should be deafeningly quiet on that issue, but she didn't get the memo because here she was on

01:03:29.360 CBS the other night, uh, soundbite 12th. What's your takeaway about the January 6th committee and

01:03:36.840 Donald Trump's actions? I would not be honest if I didn't say, I think there was a seditious

01:03:44.180 conspiracy against the government of the United States and that's a crime.

01:03:49.420 Led by Donald Trump. Led by Donald Trump, encouraged by Donald Trump. You know, I was the secretary of

01:03:54.040 state. I spent, you know, many days on airplanes flying from place to place, encouraging people,

01:03:59.320 to have a real democracy. And one of the hallmarks of a real democracy is the peaceful transfer of

01:04:06.640 power. Um, was I happy when I beat Donald Trump by nearly 3 million votes, but lost the electoral

01:04:12.780 college? No, I was not happy. Did I even for a nanosecond think I'm going to claim victory and try

01:04:20.820 to get the Democrats to refuse to certify the election? No. Okay. She did not beat Donald Trump.

01:04:28.200 Honestly. She well knows. Go ahead, Larry. She joined the lawsuit that Jill Stein filed to overturn

01:04:36.580 the results in Wisconsin. And Hillary found a separate, separate motion to have the recount conducted

01:04:41.180 by hand. As you pointed out for the entirety of president Trump's presidency, she referred to him

01:04:46.860 as illegitimate over and over and over again in speeches, in book signings, on television

01:04:52.600 appearances. And she referred to the election of 2016 as stolen. To what effect? Jay Johnson,

01:04:58.160 Obama's DHS secretary, testified under oath that while the Russians tried mightily, they failed to

01:05:02.920 change a single vote tally in 2016. They tried, failed to change a single one. A YouGov poll 2018 found

01:05:11.660 that 66% of Democrats, a supermajority of Democrats, believed the Russians, quote,

01:05:16.900 changed vote tally, close quote, in order to elect Donald Trump. The second major finding of the

01:05:21.960 1,000-page intelligence report on the 2016 election was that we don't know whether or not the Russian

01:05:27.780 interference altered the outcome of the election or altered public opinion. Obviously, there was

01:05:31.740 interference. Jay Johnson testified that we have no idea what effect it had. Gallup poll 2018,

01:05:37.900 Megan, 78% of Democrats believed the Russian interference, quote, altered the outcome of

01:05:44.640 the election. In other words, a greater percentage of Democrats believed 2016 was stolen. The Republicans

01:05:49.420 would feel the same way. Benny Thompson is the chair of the January 6th committee. January 2005,

01:05:55.880 he joined 30 other Democrats to decertify the election in Ohio. Had that been successful,

01:06:02.240 George W. Bush would not have been reelected. He argued, as did the Democrats, that the D-Volt

01:06:08.940 election machines that were used were rigged in order to elect George W. Bush. No evidence

01:06:14.100 whatsoever that the D-Volt voting machines were rigged, yet Benny Thompson, the chair of the January

01:06:18.820 6th committee, made that argument. And you're right about Stacey Abrams. She still claims that she

01:06:23.060 got ripped off in 2018. Al Gore still believes he won the election in 2000. So Democrat after Democrat

01:06:29.280 the Democrat over the years, including Maxine Waters and Senator Barbara Boxer of California,

01:06:33.840 have argued that elections were stolen. Nobody accuses them of undermining our republic. Nobody

01:06:38.340 accuses them of engaging in some sort of insurrection against the government. It's insulting. And for

01:06:43.200 Hillary with a straight face to make the argument she just now did, it's almost jaw-dropping. Even for

01:06:48.220 her, that's pretty shameless. Even for her. Here's just a couple of examples. You said it.

01:06:52.680 She indeed did say illegitimate president repeatedly. Here's just one example, Sot13.

01:06:56.960 First, I do think that he knows that he's an illegitimate president.

01:07:05.840 So that was 2019. She's still saying it three years into his presidency. Sot14 goes on to say

01:07:11.980 the election was stolen from her, which is pretty damn close to, did I ever say I'm going to claim

01:07:18.480 victory? If you're saying it's stolen from you, pretty much the same thing as saying you won.

01:07:23.140 And here she is. I think it's also critical to understand that, as I've been telling candidates

01:07:30.920 who have come to see me, you can run the best campaign. You can even become the nominee.

01:07:38.240 And you can have the election stolen from you.

01:07:40.660 Yeah. So she's on tape. She should take a seat.

01:07:45.480 Of course. And I'll tell you somebody else who said that the election was rigged by the Russians.

01:07:51.420 Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter said it in 2019, the former president of the United States.

01:07:56.260 And John Lewis, the respected member, longtime member of the House, referred to Donald Trump as

01:08:02.660 illegitimate, refused to attend his inaugural, as did 25 percent of the Democrat congressional delegation.

01:08:08.500 And the pushback on Hillary is that, well, Hillary conceded, Donald Trump didn't.

01:08:12.680 False. They both conceded. Neither of them used the C word. The second pushback, of course,

01:08:17.080 is that Hillary didn't go to court. As I pointed out, she did. And the third pushback is, well,

01:08:20.620 Hillary's supporters did not storm the Capitol on January 6th. That's because Hillary wasn't

01:08:24.980 president on January 6th. But recall in November 2016, when she lost the election, there were four days

01:08:30.560 of protests in the streets of America, 40 different cities, including violent protests. And the third week of

01:08:36.020 January 2017, when Donald Trump was inaugurated, there were 200 people who were arrested in D.C.

01:08:41.400 for violent protests. So the idea that Hillary's supporters would have gone quietly to that good

01:08:46.020 night had the shoe been on the other foot is refuted by those examples.

01:08:50.180 And they did stand up, Democrats, at the certification and object to the procedure and

01:08:54.140 say that it was fraudulent in various states. Quite a few Democrats did that, as Ted Cruz, as Josh

01:08:58.460 Hawley did. So they did that, too.

01:09:00.120 So you mentioned Jimmy Carter, which brings me to my next point.

01:09:04.240 Kareem Jean-Pierre, the White House press secretary, was confronted by Peter Doocy about

01:09:09.840 these tweets that we've all known about because she was such a partisan activist before they

01:09:13.360 put her in this role. And the reason he chose now, I assume, to confront her on her prior

01:09:19.420 tweets. And I'll get to the punchline in a second is Dark Brandon. Joe Biden, when he gave

01:09:24.800 his speech last Thursday in front of the Star Wars situation, made a point of saying how

01:09:30.020 evil the MAGA Republicans are who refuse to accept the results of an election, how how

01:09:37.200 anti antithetical that is to being an American and unpatriotic and so on, if he refused to

01:09:41.840 accept the results of an American election.

01:09:44.420 And so Peter Doocy, understanding that the woman before him supported Dark Brandon's assertion,

01:09:50.080 decided to bring up her old tweets. And here's how that went.

01:09:53.040 Justin, trying to understand the new attention on the MAGA Republicans, you tweeted in 2016,

01:10:01.440 Trump stole an election.

01:10:03.660 I was waiting, Peter, when you were going to ask me that question.

01:10:06.440 Well, here we go. You tweeted Trump stole an election. You tweeted Brian Kemp stole an election.

01:10:11.720 If denying election results is extreme now.

01:10:15.920 Yeah. So let's let's be really clear that that comparison that you made is just ridiculous.

01:10:21.480 I have been I have been. Well, you're asking me you're asking me a question. Let me answer it.

01:10:25.660 And you said ridiculous. I was I was talking specifically at that time of what was happening

01:10:31.260 with voting rights and the what was in danger of voting rights. That's what I was speaking to at the

01:10:36.520 time. OK, so just a word. That's not true. So she when she goes off of her written notes,

01:10:43.800 apparently she lies. It's not true. She tweeted repeatedly questioning the validity of elections,

01:10:50.040 not just Brian Kemp in Georgia, but Donald Trump at a time in which voting rights were not even being

01:10:55.440 discussed. So that's a lie. What she just said. We went back and looked. Jimmy Carter for the win

01:11:01.500 is what she tweeted in June of 19 when Jimmy Carter came out and said a full investigation would show

01:11:08.660 Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016. He was put into office because the Russians interfered.

01:11:16.460 Does that mean he's an illegitimate president? That was the question to Carter. Carter responded

01:11:20.360 based on what I just said. I can't retract it. And she tweeted out Jimmy Carter for the win.

01:11:26.800 She was not talking about voting rights. She was talking about Donald Trump being an illegitimate

01:11:31.820 president. Then she comes out. This is hold on May of 18. Judy Woodruff, journalist, tweets out

01:11:40.060 former director of national intelligence. James Clapper says he has personally concluded the Russians

01:11:45.440 not only influenced, but decided outcome of 2016 election. 80,000 votes in three states. So she's

01:11:54.080 saying clapper is saying that the Russians decided the outcome of the election. And Kareem Jean-Pierre

01:11:59.980 retweets it with boom, with the big eyes. That's just those are the ones that he didn't even cite to

01:12:07.220 her. She's been much more explicit in other tweets. So she's a liar and just one of the many Democrats

01:12:13.840 who have claimed illegitimacy when it's the Republican who wound up winning.

01:12:18.260 You know, I've been talking about this for years. I do videos for Epoch Times, and I've been doing

01:12:24.100 videos about this for years. I'm frankly amazed Peter Doocy waited this long before he brought this

01:12:29.200 obvious point up. This is hypocrisy. This is double standard. This is selective outrage. They've been

01:12:34.080 saying it for years and years and years, and they've gotten a complete and cold pass. And regarding the

01:12:39.280 Brian Kemp stolen the election, that's referring to the Stacey Abrams election. A fact checker,

01:12:44.600 left-wing fact checker, said there's no evidence whatsoever that that election was stolen. So Jean-Pierre

01:12:49.880 is lying. And notice how she tried to cut him off. And she said, well, I kept waiting for you to say this,

01:12:54.480 waiting for you to say that. You mean dreading that you were going to bring it up. She feared he was going

01:12:58.280 to bring it up. And rather than let him allow him to answer, ask his question in a detailed fashion,

01:13:03.980 which would have reminded everybody about what a fraud she is, she tried to cut him off and blow him away.

01:13:08.440 But it's obvious double standard, obvious hypocrisy.

01:13:11.080 Okay, moving on to other White House gaffes. I'm not sure. I don't think we can attribute what she

01:13:17.340 just did to being a gaffe. It was just a lie. Now we're going back to school and people are,

01:13:23.680 you know, going back to work and everybody's basically getting back to real life at the end

01:13:27.780 of the summer. And our schools, both of them, boys and girls, still have a vaccine mandate.

01:13:34.240 Our boys school is going to expel my sons when they hit 16 if they don't get the COVID vaccine,

01:13:38.960 even though the CDC is acknowledging that people who are unvaccinated but have had COVID should be

01:13:44.500 treated no differently than people who have had the vaccine, which is the case for both of my sons.

01:13:49.060 But nonetheless, people decide on these rules and they just won't bend.

01:13:52.980 Now you've got the COVID advisor to the White House talking about you need to get your COVID

01:13:57.220 vaccine. You got to get your booster because this one is going to do it, Larry. This is the one is

01:14:01.400 going to save you against Omicron. Trust us. This fifth, seventh, ninth. Well, this is the one.

01:14:06.160 And by the way, you also need to get your flu vaccine. And I've got great news for you.

01:14:12.160 You got two arms. Listen to this guy.

01:14:15.560 I really believe this is why God gave us two arms, one for the flu shot and the other one for the COVID

01:14:20.900 shot. This is who's running our COVID policy. Help me.

01:14:26.860 You know, logic and following the science, whatever happened to all of that. I'm in California,

01:14:32.700 Megan. And a few months ago, a county called Alameda reimposed the mask mandate.

01:14:38.660 The adjacent counties, demographically identical, did not do so. So it gave us an ideal way of

01:14:44.300 determining whether or not the mask mandate was going to have any kind of effect on transmission

01:14:48.360 rates and infection rates. And it turned out it had no effect whatsoever. Fast forward just a few

01:14:53.600 days ago, the Philadelphia school superintendent has reimposed a mask mandate for kids going to

01:14:59.500 school in Philadelphia. Never mind what I just now said about California. And when I ran for governor,

01:15:04.520 I said that young people are not likely to get sick, not likely to get really sick, not likely to

01:15:09.380 hospitalize, and certainly not likely to die. And therefore, I don't believe that they ought to be

01:15:12.940 mandated to have the vaccine. I was called anti-vax. I was slammed. And CNN did a piece on me.

01:15:20.680 Joe Johns, a reporter who's normally a pretty normal guy, interviewed me for about a half hour.

01:15:24.780 They played a little clip. I said exactly what I just now said to him, to you. And he said,

01:15:29.260 but that's not true. According to the CDC, yada, blah, et cetera. Well, fast forward,

01:15:32.780 those who signed the so-called Great Barrington Declaration now appear to be right. They were right

01:15:38.660 from the beginning. We should not have had the lockdowns. We should have protected the older people,

01:15:43.340 those who had comorbidities. But younger people are highly unlikely to have gotten it.

01:15:49.360 And natural immunity is as good, if not more effective than a vaccine. All of that turned out to be

01:15:54.160 accurate. Yeah, exactly right. That's the thing. The latest study is, it is more effective. It's

01:15:59.160 actually more effective. Marty McCary was just on Daily Wire talking about how that's what the latest

01:16:04.580 shows, studies show, that it's more effective than the vaccine, which we've known. But I mean,

01:16:08.740 this is what the studies, the most recent studies have shown. And yet, we've still got these school

01:16:14.620 districts, and it's always Democrats, refusing to acknowledge the science, even when it's not no

01:16:21.420 longer controversial. It's infuriating to those of us who want to actually listen to the real science

01:16:27.080 and the real studies and see what the risks are as well and do an actual weighing. And any event,

01:16:32.960 OK, much, much more to discuss with Larry. I'm dying to discuss Uncle Tom, too. It was moving.

01:16:38.800 It was educational. It gave me so much to think of. I learned a ton. I mean, I had no idea about the

01:16:46.620 guy who's actually behind BLM. Did you did you know it's effectively being controlled by a white

01:16:51.080 guy? We'll talk about that with Larry much, much more next. Larry Elder of Uncle Tom, too, is with

01:17:01.680 us now. We're going to get into this movie, which you absolutely need to check out is well worth your

01:17:06.000 time. You'll enjoy it. You'll learn and you'll be entertained in the process because Larry knows how

01:17:09.940 to make things snappy and keep things interesting. And the sound bites are amazing. The stuff with Saul

01:17:14.460 Alinsky, I couldn't believe it. All the coverage I've done with Saul Alinsky, I've never heard him

01:17:18.560 on tape. So it was a lot of great stuff that you found in there. But let's just start with this.

01:17:22.660 What what what is Uncle Tom, too, about in your view? Uncle Tom, too, leaves picks up where Uncle Tom,

01:17:30.020 one left off. Uncle Tom, one was about the black struggle right after slavery. And Uncle Tom, too,

01:17:36.140 is about what happened to the civil rights movement, that it was had been co-opted, if not kidnapped by

01:17:41.100 by collectivists, by Marxists, by socialists, by those who want to redistribute income to the point

01:17:46.620 now where people like Black Lives Matter are promoting all sorts of things that have nothing

01:17:50.140 whatever to do with civil rights and corrupted the mission of equal rights and turned it into

01:17:55.140 equal results, which are two very different things. Now, it's about eight minutes in and I had a moment

01:18:01.620 where I felt uncomfortable because you have it's all black voices commenting on this, but they were saying

01:18:07.920 one gentleman in particular said something like, I'm embarrassed of black culture. And the movie

01:18:15.440 shows, you know, guys on street corners like the N-word this and the N-word that and talking about

01:18:20.660 crime. And like, it's just sort of, you know, you could find white guys doing this, too, but just sort

01:18:25.520 of low, lowest of the low in society, clearly are crime and crime inclined and don't seem to be

01:18:32.220 talking in a way that's very nice. But for me, you know, extrapolating that to black culture made me

01:18:39.300 feel uncomfortable. Like, well, you can't like, what is that? What is black culture? And how can

01:18:43.600 you look at these guys in the street corner and say that you're embarrassed of, you know, like that

01:18:47.080 somehow reflects on the greater population? But it does, Megan, and that's the whole point.

01:18:52.500 I know these things are uncomfortable. One of my close friends is Thomas Sowell. He grew up in

01:18:56.860 East Harlem on the 1940s. He told me in hot summer days, nobody had any air conditioning.

01:19:02.860 You'd put up in the street sometimes, on park benches, on your balcony, and nobody had any fear

01:19:08.840 of somebody coming up to them and robbing them. Fast forward now, that is unthinkable. Why? Because

01:19:14.040 so many black kids now enter the world without a father married to the mother, and there's a direct

01:19:18.000 relationship between that and lawlessness. Rob Obama once said, a kid raised without a father is five

01:19:23.240 times more likely to be poor and commit crime, nine times more likely to drop out of school,

01:19:27.400 and 20 times more likely to end up in jail. Now, as I mentioned, after slavery,

01:19:31.940 black people still kept moving forward, largely because they still were raised by nuclear intact

01:19:36.860 families. Even during slavery, a black child was more likely to be born under a roof with his

01:19:42.300 biological mother, biological father, than today. 70% of black kids today enter the world without a

01:19:47.760 father married to the mother, and that is because of the welfare state. Back in 1965, that number was 25%.

01:19:53.240 Fast forward, it is now 70%. I believe the welfare state has incentivized women to marry the

01:19:59.380 government and incentivized men to abandon their financial and moral responsibility. So you have

01:20:03.740 this kind of pathology that you did not have during times when blacks were far more destitute. You

01:20:08.600 did not have this urban violence, this black-on-black crimes, black-on-black murders. These things are

01:20:13.800 relatively new in the black experience in America, and there are reasons for this. And again, it's because of

01:20:19.520 the insistence on people like the co-founders of the NAACP were white socialists, and they used a black

01:20:27.580 man, W.E.B. Du Bois, as a front man. And you pointed out about Patrice Cullors, the co-Marxist who

01:20:34.220 founded Black Lives Matter. They were trained by a guy named Eric Mann, who was a Marxist, who had all

01:20:39.980 sorts of other kinds of things he wanted to do with these folk called civil rights movements that

01:20:44.880 had nothing would ever to do with civil rights. So black people are now facing obstacles because of

01:20:49.680 the leftists, because of the collectivists, because of the socialists that have taken over the movement

01:20:53.820 that they didn't even face during the worst of the worst of the worst of history in America.

01:20:59.580 You look at the absence of religion, like the erosion of God and religion in the lives of

01:21:08.180 Americans. And I mean, this can be said about whites, blacks. I don't know if you could say it

01:21:12.600 about Hispanics. I feel like the Hispanic community has stayed more religious. But in any event, you

01:21:16.540 could definitely say about whites and blacks. And that explains a lot. I mean, honestly, like I did not

01:21:21.380 realize that was a fundamental principle that was pushed by guys like Alinsky and so on. Marxism,

01:21:25.960 yes, I get that religion's opiate of the masses and he wasn't a big fan. But you really lay out how

01:21:32.300 that belief, that Marxist belief was used against us and that, you know, you see thugs on the street

01:21:37.940 corner, white or black, nine times out of 10, they don't have religion in their life. And those guys

01:21:43.860 used to be going to church with their families. And now because of an agenda that's been pushed on

01:21:48.900 them by design, they've lost that tether. So who was pushing it by design? Like how? How did

01:21:55.940 people break up the nuclear family, get religion out of the public square, distance us from our

01:22:02.060 churches? Well, as Uncle Tom too establishes, this took place very gradually over a period of 100 years

01:22:07.840 where little by little, communists, socialists, collectivists began to infiltrate themselves

01:22:13.900 into the black struggle. And even MLK. MLK was somebody who wanted to redistribute income.

01:22:21.760 He even said that there should be some sort of Marshall Plan after the Civil Rights Movement.

01:22:27.240 Really? And who should be paying for the Marshall Plan? Slavery was primarily a democratic institute

01:22:33.560 with Democrats who owned slaves. Only a handful of slave owners were Republican. Why should they pay

01:22:38.540 for all of this? Beyond that, government didn't own slaves. Individuals owned slaves. So the idea that

01:22:44.780 somehow people who had nothing whatever to do with slavery owe some sort of debt to black people

01:22:48.600 is something that would have appalled Booker T. Washington. Booker T. Washington wrote a book

01:22:52.700 called Up From Slavery. This was a man who was born a slave. He wrote a book in 1901, a mere 36 years

01:22:59.060 after slavery. If you read the book, Megan, he is more optimistic about the future for black people

01:23:03.540 than people like Ibram X. Kendi and Patrice Cullors and the talk show host on MSNBC are right now.

01:23:09.440 And he said, if you learn how to do something well, if a Negro boy learns to cook, to sew,

01:23:14.560 to wash dishes, to practice medicine as well as or better than somebody else, he or she will be rewarded

01:23:19.940 without regard of color. He called that a great human principle. And he was demeaned by W.B. Du Bois,

01:23:27.100 the face man of the NAACP, who became a communist, was an atheist, was born wealthy, a free man,

01:23:34.660 and attended Harvard. Are there parallels here today? Absolutely. You go to these elite schools

01:23:40.820 and W.B. Du Bois was an anti-capitalist. And as I mentioned, entrepreneurship was the foundation

01:23:46.660 of the black struggle coming out of slavery to the point where a lot of black people went to Harlem,

01:23:51.940 bought buildings, and were displacing white people. And the white people were complaining about black

01:23:56.680 gentrification. And the whole point is that black people still moved ahead. One of the other things

01:24:02.060 that we expose in Uncle Tom to is the myth of the Tulsa so-called massacre in 1921, where unclear how many

01:24:09.740 people were killed. There was a race riot, to be sure. But the shorthand is that a bunch of white

01:24:14.760 people burned down Black Wall Street. Well, Tulsa was completely rebuilt within a few years, and the

01:24:20.240 term Black Wall Street didn't become a popular term until after it was rebuilt. There's a commercial that

01:24:25.460 I saw last year during the Super Bowl, a Citigroup commercial, where a black guy is talking about

01:24:29.760 how in 1921, a bunch of white races burned down Black Wall Street. What he didn't say was that

01:24:35.340 this area of Tulsa was completely rebuilt within a few years, and the term Black Wall Street was not

01:24:41.000 even popular until after it was rebuilt. The bottom line is, the shorthand notion is that black people

01:24:46.820 were doing okay until a bunch of white people decided to track their success. And then down to

01:24:51.880 the ghetto, black people went. It is completely false. It is insulting to the hard work that men and

01:24:57.380 women put in after slavery. Carol Swain, who we both love, she's been on the show, one of my favorite

01:25:03.980 interviews. She talks, she's in the piece, and she talked about that sort of the absence of religion

01:25:08.640 as it receded from many populations, including the Black population, and talked about the slavery

01:25:15.580 situation, like Blacks coming out of slavery. To me, this is interesting, and I'm going to play the

01:25:18.980 soundbite, but it reminded me of what happened to Brett Weinstein on the campus of Evergreen when he

01:25:24.800 was getting screamed at, this professor who did nothing wrong, but the mob came for him. And one

01:25:30.360 of the students was yelling at him, like, I come from slaves. You don't understand anything. I come

01:25:37.400 from slaves. As though this woman, you know, yesterday emerged from slavery. And Carol Swain kind of gets

01:25:44.440 there. Here she is in SOT 20.

01:25:45.940 If you look at the Blacks that came out of slavery, they were relatively prosperous. And you did not have

01:25:55.980 the dysfunction and crime that you see taking place today. Black people are constantly being told

01:26:05.200 that because of slavery, because of systemic racism, that their anger and their bitterness and their rage is

01:26:12.140 justified. Is it possible that as Black people, we are experiencing a PTSD from what they went

01:26:20.980 through 401 years ago? Absolutely. Absolutely. Just because we didn't experience it, us learning about the

01:26:28.240 history or even family stories, it's the same thing.

01:26:33.600 That does not make a lot of sense, given that Blacks coming out of slavery had lives that were more

01:26:39.700 functional. The functionality of Black lives at the turn of the century was because Blacks were deeply

01:26:53.700 religious people. They adhered to strong Judeo-Christian values and principles. And to the extent that they

01:27:02.440 get further and further away from those principles, I think that you see more dysfunction in Black

01:27:08.140 communities because they've lost the anchor. And it was systematically undone. Uncle Tom, too,

01:27:17.220 makes the argument that it wasn't an organic distancing from God, from religion, that it was

01:27:22.600 systematically undone. And it's still being systematically undone to this day. Absolutely. And, you know,

01:27:30.300 coming out of slavery, of course, 90 percent of Blacks were slaves and they were illiterate. Within a

01:27:35.840 relatively short period of time, the majority of them were literate. Today, today, 85 percent of Black

01:27:42.400 eighth graders, according to the National Report Card, can either read nor write at grade level

01:27:48.060 proficiency. A substantial number of Black 13-year-olds are functionally illiterate. I would argue a greater

01:27:54.000 percentage are functionally illiterate today than decades after slavery. How can that be? How can it be in

01:28:00.040 an era where we're spending more money than ever before, K through 12, more money than almost any

01:28:05.380 industrialized country except for Luxembourg and Switzerland, I think, that 85 percent of Black

01:28:10.340 eighth graders do not read and do math at grade levels of proficiency? It's an outrage. And it's

01:28:15.980 because of the welfare state, because of the way the leftists have taken over education. And we have

01:28:21.380 this kind of, as Carol Swain puts it, dysfunction. And the beauty is that left-wing people, whether

01:28:29.080 it's Mayor Pete or Joe Biden or Beto O'Rourke, will blame this on endemic, systemic, choose your favorite

01:28:36.860 adjective, racism, when in fact it's because of policies that have destroyed the family, that have

01:28:42.440 deterred people from Judeo-Christian values, that deterred them from entrepreneurship and a belief in

01:28:47.440 American values. You look at speeches of Frederick Douglass, they were replete with the praise of

01:28:52.680 American values, even though those values were not applied to Black people. And now to wave the flag

01:28:58.360 makes you some sort of sellout. People like Colin Kaepernick are praised for kneeling. And all of

01:29:07.420 these things, patriotism, Judeo-Christian values, entrepreneurship, and family are the reasons Black

01:29:14.220 people, as I said before, were able to continue to move forward in the face of obstacles that are

01:29:18.420 far, far more insidious than the ones Black people face today.

01:29:22.580 So we mentioned Saul Alinsky, and people have got to watch the movie just to hear

01:29:25.460 him on camera, and the juxtaposition between his messaging and some of the messaging that we saw,

01:29:31.580 for example, during the civil rights movement and thereafter. And then you get to Eric Mann.

01:29:38.360 Here's a clip from the movie on Eric Mann's Sop 22.

01:29:41.280 I do believe in Marxism. It's a philosophy that I learned really early on in my organizing career.

01:29:48.000 We were taught to learn about the systems that were criticizing capitalism.

01:29:53.420 Whenever Patrice Collar said, we're trained Marxists, she was telling the truth.

01:30:00.580 She's a trained Marxist.

01:30:03.980 And Eric Mann is the man who trained her.

01:30:08.080 I spend my time right now organizing mainly young people that want to be revolutionaries.

01:30:15.000 Young, primarily women, Black, Latina, Asian.

01:30:18.500 It's essentially based on guerrilla warfare principles, which is you're up against a far

01:30:28.380 more powerful enemy. And you have a very small little army, and you're trying to figure out

01:30:34.060 with this little army that maybe at best is like a flea bite. You know, how do you kill

01:30:41.180 an elephant with flea bites?

01:30:43.100 We start with the intersection of the Black and Latino community as a strategic alliance

01:30:49.740 that's central to building a broader, multiracial left.

01:30:53.480 This is the father of Black Lives Matter.

01:30:56.120 Of the Black trans women who have been murdered.

01:30:58.640 To the extent that Black people are involved, these are useful idiots.

01:31:02.320 These are people who are in front to carry out the agenda of white Marxists.

01:31:08.020 If we don't have a base in the Black and Latino community, we can't branch out.

01:31:12.240 You've got to have a strategy. And that's at least my strategy.

01:31:17.040 That's so interesting, Larry.

01:31:18.780 And one thing that jumps out at me there is you can feel the BLM crowd, the far left progressives

01:31:24.940 in a panic that the Latinos are starting to slip away. Because you just heard him say

01:31:29.560 they're essential. They're essential to this. And yet they're not in. They're not all in

01:31:35.320 in the way that guys like Eric Mann want them to be.

01:31:38.140 Well, as you pointed out, Hispanics are quite a religious people. And Karl Marx was an atheist

01:31:43.900 who wanted to, quote, dethrone God, as we point out in Uncle Tom 2. So the whole attack

01:31:48.860 is anti-capitalist, anti-entrepreneurship, anti-ownership of property, anti-God. How in

01:31:56.840 the world does that relate to the Black experience in America? It doesn't make any sense. And as I

01:32:01.060 pointed out, 85% of Black people support Black Lives Matter. That's how successful this movement

01:32:07.040 has been. That's how indoctrinated Blacks are. That's how clueless a lot of Black people and

01:32:11.980 non-Black people are about what made America great and what made Black America survive despite all

01:32:17.460 these hideous obstacles that they faced right after slavery.

01:32:21.420 I think I have. Do I have enough time to play the Saul Alinsky one, guys? Just asking my team.

01:32:26.820 Okay, we can do it. We can get in a little bit of Saul Alinsky because I think that's a name very

01:32:30.000 familiar to our audience as somebody who inspired Obama, who inspired Hillary. Here it is, SOT 21.

01:32:36.680 You had these Black pastors taking marching orders.

01:32:40.660 One spokesman was always selected.

01:32:43.600 May I have your attention, please? We're going to the mayor's office and then

01:32:47.440 to the Chamber of Commerce. I'm Reverend Fletcher Bryan, who will be the spokesman.

01:32:51.520 I am the spokesman, one spokesman of the organization. A week ago, he is told that he's got to have

01:32:58.960 a specific question and stay with it. He's specific requests in regard to jobs in the face of a crisis

01:33:09.040 and job inequities in the Negro community. Some 916 jobs appear to be available. That includes the 600

01:33:17.360 jobs that the county is making available. Never let the mayor get off of it.

01:33:22.320 But then you're saying that they have not delivered at this point. And the second point,

01:33:27.520 I'd like you to raise. No, you're saying it. I'm not saying it.

01:33:29.360 This is one thing in terms of tactics. You sit with a political leader

01:33:33.040 and you say, this is the question. Are these jobs of a temporary or permanent nature? I haven't got

01:33:40.240 the full specifics on them. Some of them will be- You don't hear them. Do you recognize us or don't

01:33:46.240 you? Well, let me at this time, Mr. Mayor, make crystal clear Bill's position on this job matter.

01:33:53.360 And it's amazing. It's amazing how Solinsky is everywhere in the progressive movement,

01:33:57.760 manipulating people to do his bidding. So Larry, what's the takeaway for people? Because I know at

01:34:02.800 the end, you're suggesting you should take a hard look at the civil rights movement and maybe even at

01:34:07.120 MLK. Yeah, just work hard, invest in yourself, get a decent education, and stop this nonsense about

01:34:14.480 America being systemically racist. And much of that footage was dug up by my brilliant director,

01:34:18.560 Justin Malone, also co-written by a guy named Ryder Ansel, and beautifully scored by a man named

01:34:25.040 Damon Criswell. So I want to give people credit for this collaborative effort. And as you can see it

01:34:29.280 on UncleTom.com, UncleTom.com. It's so worth doing. Please, it's less than two hours and you will

01:34:36.480 leave feeling really edified. Larry's always worth listening to. Such a pleasure, my friend. Great to

01:34:40.880 see you again. You too. Thank you for having me. All right, don't forget, UncleTom.com right now,

01:34:46.240 UncleTom.com. Tomorrow, David Limbaugh is going to be here. This will be his first appearance on

01:34:51.240 the show. This is brother of Rush Limbaugh. Known him for a long, long time. Really looking forward

01:34:56.820 to this discussion. He's got a new book out, taking a hard look, speaking of the Larry Elder movie,

01:35:01.060 on what's happened to Christianity and the absence of it in our society. It's had really negative

01:35:07.720 consequences, just some of which are outlined in Uncle Tom 2. Meantime, download our show if you

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James O'Keefe on His Latest Bombshell Videos, and Larry Elder on His Powerful Film ＂Uncle Tom II＂｜ Ep. 386

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