The Megyn Kelly Show - Janice Dean on the Fall of Andrew Cuomo, and The Importance of Making Your Own Sunshine

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.760 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today we have a treat for you,

00:00:17.000 Janice Dean, back by popular demand. Everybody loved her last episode with us and boy do we

00:00:22.720 have some updates for you. As you probably know, she's a Fox News meteorologist and she is the

00:00:28.280 author of a new book called Make Your Own Sunshine, an attitude with which I wholeheartedly agree.

00:00:35.040 But Janice has also been following the Cuomo saga, as you know. She's the one responsible for staying

00:00:39.840 on Andrew Cuomo, governor of New York, and his malfeasance when it comes to the COVID crisis

00:00:45.500 here and in particular his order last spring to send thousands of COVID positive patients into

00:00:52.360 the New York State nursing homes, which was just a foolhardy decision at best. He was warned not to

00:00:58.080 do it. He did it anyway. And now we learn from our state attorney general that he's been covering

00:01:02.680 it up. That is the allegation that he's been covering up the numbers to make himself look

00:01:06.080 better. The number of people who died in the nursing homes and and then died in the hospitals

00:01:11.680 when they were transferred from the nursing homes. It's all coming out. And not only that,

00:01:17.060 but the sort of two of the one to punch has been now at least two women coming forward and accusing

00:01:23.380 him of Me Too type behavior. So the situation is getting worse for him by the day. And I'm going

00:01:28.980 to ask Janice about it. We're going to walk you through what exactly has happened, what is likely

00:01:32.000 to happen and the media hypocrisy on this, that the dereliction of duty that people at CNN and

00:01:39.180 elsewhere are guilty of and covering this story. So we'll get into all of that. Plus, I've got the

00:01:44.260 inside scoop for you on our trip to Kalahari Water Resort in the Poconos. You don't want to miss

00:01:50.900 that. That's coming up right after this. Is he going down? Is Andrew Cuomo, is he going down in

00:02:00.140 one way, shape or form, whether it's an impeachment, he'll be forced to resign. Is he going down?

00:02:06.420 Okay, that is a good question. I think this is the beginning of the end of him. I really do. I feel

00:02:13.580 like there's going to be more women, especially the fact that there's been multiple memos from Cuomo

00:02:21.900 over the weekend. So the first one was kind of like, I didn't do it, misunderstanding. And then

00:02:29.440 the next memo that dropped was he was basically admitting to, you know, doing some of this behavior,

00:02:36.500 but under the disguise of, I was only joking. I'm so playful. It was right. It's like, oh,

00:02:45.160 I'm such a kidder. I, I love to kid the ladies by kissing them on the lips of my office. Oh,

00:02:50.980 like seriously, that's what he decided to go for. I'll just read the audience, but just we'll get

00:02:55.980 them up to speed before I read his defensive statement. But so now the governor's been accused

00:03:00.420 by at least as of the time we're talking to women of sexual harassment. This is, of course,

00:03:05.480 on the heels of his much more significant sin, which is his behavior led to the death of 15,000

00:03:11.660 people. That's what Janet's been jumping up and down about for a year. But this is also serious and

00:03:17.260 it has governed a lot of news coverage. And so there's one woman named Lindsay Boylan and the

00:03:22.780 second woman now is named Charlotte Bennett. And Lindsay is accusing him of bullying her, of asking

00:03:28.420 her to straight to play strip poker, of rubbing her legs, her lower back, her arms. And then ultimately

00:03:34.500 and then they had an aide tell her that she was like the hotter sister to somebody he dated.

00:03:40.960 And then he, he, according to her, kissed her on the lips in his office here in New York.

00:03:46.120 Oh, okay. So that's one. Then Charlotte comes forward, Charlotte Bennett comes forward and

00:03:51.880 backs her up to, to some extent saying he was inappropriate with her too.

00:03:55.860 Um, a lot of sexual innuendo. What else did Charlotte say?

00:03:59.940 So yeah, Charlotte basically was saying that he was asking if she would have sex with an older man.

00:04:09.200 And I believe he also asked her to get a tattoo on her butt at some point. So this is all,

00:04:16.380 you know, very uncomfortable.

00:04:18.260 What is that even? What is that? Like a tramp stamp? What is that? What is that?

00:04:21.200 But you know what, Megan? Here's the thing. It's not about sex. It's about power. And so while I was,

00:04:32.120 I was a bit surprised because I just thought the guy was, it was a bad dude. I didn't think he would

00:04:39.060 go into crossover that territory of sexual harasser. But then when I think about my career and what you

00:04:47.480 and I have gone through, it's about power. So of course he is doing that to young women because

00:04:54.960 it's about, you know, making them feel uncomfortable. That's what, you know, really riles him up,

00:05:01.940 right? Is making, making people feel bad and being the, the most important guy in the room.

00:05:09.200 Asserting his dominance.

00:05:10.340 Exactly. So this is his statement now, uh, in the latest attempt, uh, in response to the women

00:05:18.460 at work. Sometimes I think I'm being playful and make jokes that I think are funny. I do on occasion

00:05:24.900 tease people in what I think is a good natured way. I do it in public and in private. You've seen me do

00:05:30.240 it at briefings hundreds of times. I have teased people about their personal lives, their relationships

00:05:34.940 about getting married or not getting married. I mean, no offense and only attempt to add some

00:05:40.260 levity and banter to what is a very serious business. I now understand that my interactions

00:05:44.880 may have been insensitive or too personal. And that some of my comments, given my position

00:05:50.100 made others feel in ways I never intended. I acknowledge some of the things I have said

00:05:55.600 have been misinterpreted as an unwanted flirtation to the extent anyone felt that way. I am truly sorry

00:06:03.740 about that. That is the shittiest attempt at cleanup. I think I've ever read. I mean, it's

00:06:08.480 terrible, right? Like, Oh, I think I'd be by playful moments when I kiss my employees on the lips.

00:06:15.060 He does deny that, but that's what the allegation is. I should say he goes on to say, to be clear,

00:06:20.200 quoting now, I never inappropriately touched anybody and I never propositioned anybody. And I never

00:06:25.380 intended to make anyone feel uncomfortable, but these are allegations that New Yorkers deserve

00:06:30.080 answers to. And on that, he's right. We do deserve answers and he does deserve due process. You know,

00:06:36.920 just because I'm openly biased against this guy, I own my bias on this particular story. And it's

00:06:43.800 for all the reasons we've been discussing and our closeness and so on, but he deserves due process like

00:06:48.320 anybody else. And so this process will play out and we'll get, we'll get a determination. But my point

00:06:53.820 is the way like this statement, so playful was not the way to go. Right. But the fact that he is

00:07:00.540 actually, uh, written something like this is quite extraordinary. I saw a clip of Maggie Haberman on

00:07:08.640 CNN, believe it or not. And she said that she's basically covered this governor for on and off for

00:07:14.940 20 years. And the fact that he even went down the road of somewhat of an apology is huge. He does not

00:07:23.440 apologize. And as I have learned in the last 10 months of covering him, he likes to blame everyone

00:07:31.060 else except himself. So the fact that he is issuing something like this makes me think that a he's in

00:07:40.020 real trouble because there was also reporting that this, the, uh, his age, Charlotte was moved. She

00:07:47.180 actually went to a superior and told them about this behavior. And she was moved to a

00:07:53.420 different position, Megan. So they knew about it. And I think that there's a trail, there's a paper

00:08:00.740 trail. There's probably people who are corroborating her story. And now if there's an investigation

00:08:06.420 and not one organized by him, uh, but by the, the, the AG, uh, Tish James, who also thank goodness,

00:08:15.120 uh, has been on our side with the nursing home issue. Um, there's going to be subpoenas and there's

00:08:21.240 going to be people telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

00:08:25.580 So what, and this is so reminiscent of what happened at Fox, right? When Roger tried to get

00:08:29.380 the investigation controlled by him, he would decide who got interviewed. I mean, what, what the hell

00:08:35.360 world does that lead to an honest result in? Right. So he's trying to, you know, seize control of the

00:08:40.160 investigation. Like, Oh, we'll investigate, but I'll, you know, I'll make sure it's handled right.

00:08:43.300 No, no, sir. You don't get to investigate yourself. Um, but what, what makes you think

00:08:48.460 that there will be other women just history, the language, the language, when you read that,

00:08:54.860 I just feel if you look over that statement again, there's a lot of plurals and I just feel like you

00:09:04.440 and I both know when there's smoke, there's fire. It's true. And now that we've had two,

00:09:11.240 like you just have one that can happen like the one. And then that's it. This is like already we've

00:09:17.380 had to, and everybody lives in fear of this guy. I mean, truly, whatever you think of Cuomo,

00:09:22.080 you cannot deny this guy's a bully of people on both sides of the aisle. Reporters up and down

00:09:28.340 have testified to that. He is a bully. So imagine yourself like this, Charlotte Bennett, young,

00:09:34.460 just starting out in New York politics. They don't want to speak up against him. They're afraid.

00:09:39.400 So now that two have done it, it does seem more than likely if there are others, they're going

00:09:44.220 to come out. And I've heard, uh, from sources that there are others and that they have been afraid,

00:09:51.400 but hopefully, you know, sometimes when one person stands up, a second person stands up and then there

00:10:00.640 are, you know, more brave people that come to tell their truth. It's so crazy to think that after

00:10:09.160 everything that's happened, this might bring him down. Well, I'm not surprised though. It was my

00:10:17.320 husband actually yesterday when we were sitting in the car who said, Al Capone, they got him on tax

00:10:23.520 evasion, right? Instead of the real, the real stuff. So, and I've heard from other people, uh,

00:10:33.120 who I will not identify who's, who are pretty much in the know that they're already talking about,

00:10:38.720 uh, this being his downfall so that they don't have to go down the road of the more criminal stuff

00:10:45.120 like the nursing homes. This one would be sort of an easy out.

00:10:49.020 It's so, it's so helpful to the democratic politicians who don't like him, but don't

00:10:54.620 want to back him, but don't want to be sucked into some corruption investigation that might dirty them

00:10:59.560 up. Absolutely. And, and from what we know, you know, going down the road of the nursing home issue,

00:11:05.820 which I know we'll get into, it looks dirtier and dirtier and more corrupt every day, Megan. So,

00:11:12.780 you know, over the weekend you saw a chorus of lawmakers on social media. Let's get to the

00:11:20.420 bottom of this. This is terrible. You know, um, believe all women. Um, so I just think that this

00:11:29.120 is a really easy path to go down. No woman should ever be put through something like this. Let's just

00:11:35.540 make that clear. It's awful. He's disgusting. However, um, this would be much easier for these

00:11:43.220 democratic lawmakers to get behind than an actual story of, of corruption. Right. That they don't

00:11:50.080 want to touch with a 10 foot pole list to reflect on them. And, and, and just to identify corruption,

00:11:55.800 we're not necessarily talking, I don't know what we'll find out. We're not necessarily just talking

00:12:00.240 about like bribery or, you know, it's, it's all wrapped up in the nursing home scandal. Um,

00:12:06.120 why he did what he did more is coming out on that, which we're going to get into. So

00:12:09.960 the nursing home scandal, one would think would have been lethal to this guy as a politician long

00:12:15.060 ago. But first we had the media stonewalling, the Democrats wouldn't turn on him. And now both of

00:12:20.560 those things are starting to turn and it's seeming like it was even worse and more nefarious than we

00:12:26.280 first began. So let me just back up. So now things are getting, they're crescendoing against him on

00:12:31.560 the nursing home scandal. Just, just to reiterate, I think our audience knows at this point, but this

00:12:36.460 is a hundred percent Janice Dean's doing. It is a hundred percent you're doing. No one would be

00:12:40.640 talking about any of this if it hadn't been for you, my friend from floral park, long Island.

00:12:47.320 And so now that they've been dragged to the story, kicking and screaming that the messaging has been

00:12:54.480 kind of like, Oh, it's breaking news. You know, Cuomo, he issued this order. Thousands of people

00:13:00.260 died. And the news that really had the media treating this like it's a brand new story. Oh my

00:13:04.800 gosh. Is the AG in New York came out with a report that he totally undercounted the deaths. They hid

00:13:11.420 the true number of people who died in these nursing homes as a result of his order that these nursing

00:13:16.980 homes had to accept COVID positive patients into them and that they weren't even allowed to test the

00:13:21.500 patients to find out whether they had the COVID positive patients. And then they were putting

00:13:24.860 them next to the other patients in the nursing homes where it was very predictable what would

00:13:28.300 happen. So the press is like, Oh my gosh, I guess it's a story because now they can't cover it.

00:13:34.780 And here was Janice Dean people, um, just like last week at a rally trying to, you know, talk about

00:13:41.040 this as she's been doing regularly. And I just want you to listen to this.

00:13:44.100 And a lot of news agencies, news companies think that this is breaking news. We have been

00:13:48.480 shouting from the rooftops for 10 months, 10 months. And I have yet to hear this governor

00:13:55.480 say in front of a microphone, I am sorry for your loss. The governor has blamed everyone,

00:14:02.580 everyone except the man that signed the mandate. Everyone except the man that has been covering

00:14:07.480 up the numbers. He's blamed God. He's blamed mother nature. He's blamed Fox News. He's blamed

00:14:13.320 the New York post. He's blamed the nursing home workers, those that went in there and tried to

00:14:18.820 care for my loved ones when we could not go in or have wakes or funerals or have rights or hold

00:14:25.380 their hands. We did not see them. The only time my husband was allowed to go see his mom was when

00:14:31.280 she was dead through a glass window. What is that? That is not humanity.

00:14:36.020 Oh, such a powerful moment. And your indignation at his blaming the nurses who were in there trying

00:14:47.900 to save the lives he endangered, J.D. Yeah, that was his investigation into himself. There's so many

00:14:56.600 layers of this story and so much blame. And he just will not take any accountability. And how dare

00:15:04.520 anyone who, you know, says that it was his March 25th order, even Howard Zucker, just a couple of days

00:15:12.140 ago, last week, Howard Zucker is the health commissioner and he's the one that helped with

00:15:16.900 writing this, you know, I call it a death warrant, March 25th. When he was asked, don't you think that

00:15:24.620 that March 25th order to put infected patients into nursing homes for 46 days, don't you think that

00:15:31.280 might've had an impact on the most vulnerable? He actually said, no, no, I know it. No, it did not.

00:15:39.400 I mean, just disgusting lies and cover up to this day. Uh, and that's why I've always been saying

00:15:47.520 independent bipartisan investigation with subpoena power. It's the only way we're going to get answers.

00:15:54.240 And yes, the media has been complicit in this coverup, the coverup of the coverup except for

00:16:03.700 the New York post, which did amazing reporting throughout this whole last year, almost, uh, Fox

00:16:12.060 news obviously helped me cover it. Um, there have been some Albany reporters that have bought on this

00:16:18.140 story, but for the most part, uh, they did not touch it. And instead CNN, I mean the Cuomo brothers

00:16:27.540 hour. I, when I came out to talk about this story, it was a day after the infamous Cuomo brothers

00:16:37.200 comedy hour with that giant cotton swab. I was furious. My grief turned to anger. And that's when I

00:16:47.860 decided it was time to speak out. Okay. Now wait, we have, we have a bunch of amazing clips

00:16:53.100 queued up for today. And one of them is, as you put it, the Cuomo brothers comedy hour. Now these

00:16:58.320 two, Chris Cuomo for very good reason was not allowed to interview his brother, the governor of

00:17:05.080 New York on CNN prior to any of this, because he has a conflict of interest. You don't have to be a

00:17:09.760 rocket scientist to see that one. They bent the rules during Cuomo, you know, because it was an

00:17:17.100 extraordinary circumstance. And these interviews at the time, nevermind now proved why the rule made

00:17:25.280 sense in the first place, why a legitimate news organization would not allow this to happen

00:17:31.740 because major things were happening at that time. And there were, there was good reason even then

00:17:38.000 to ask about these subjects. He didn't. And now he looks like a fool. Here's a little highlight reel.

00:17:45.820 My brother, thank you for coming back to the show. Mom told me I had to. Dad tried to have a curfew for

00:17:54.340 me. I never got past the resentment, but, uh, I do believe you'll see more tightening if the numbers

00:18:00.980 don't slow. Your problems with the curfew. It's the least of your problems. Just so you know. I never

00:18:05.160 thought you violated the curfew all the time, caused much pain, but that's a different story.

00:18:10.620 No matter how hard you're working, there's always time to call mom. She wants to hear from you.

00:18:15.620 Just so you know. Yeah. I called mom. I called mom just before I came on this show. It's not what

00:18:21.920 she said. By the way, she said I was her favorite. She never said that. Good news is she said you

00:18:26.260 were her second favorite. Is it true that when you were having the test administered, you inhaled

00:18:32.260 and the doctor's finger went all the way up your nose and got stuck and it had to be released with a

00:18:37.760 tool. Is that true? Just to, just to deal with the record. She, she, she wanted to comment that

00:18:45.160 I have a little button nose. This was the actual swab that was being used to fit up that double

00:18:54.380 barrel shotgun that you have mounted on the front of your pretty face. That swab is like a piece of

00:19:01.240 lint going in that thing in your face. How could it have collected anything? It was like throwing a

00:19:06.800 rock around a cave. Not right. Was it this or was it this? Tell people the truth. Come on.

00:19:13.200 Love goes. Come on. Which was? This is not love. Oh no, but it was love. That's exactly what it was

00:19:20.800 because at the time, JD, that last thing with the swab, the giant swab that Chris Cuomo was holding,

00:19:27.880 that was May of 2020. It was already known and a story that he had issued the order sending sick

00:19:35.340 patients into those nursing homes. And there was a tweet at the time by Nicholas Fonda Caro reading

00:19:42.840 instead of asking his brother, the New York governor, why he decided to pack COVID patients

00:19:46.660 into nursing homes, killing untold amounts of people. Chris Cuomo pulled out oversized prop cotton

00:19:51.420 swabs to mock how big his brother's nose was. This is the state of journalism on CNN pathetic.

00:19:56.480 And then Anna Navarro, who's now on the view and a CNN contributor writes, look, she says,

00:20:01.840 for months CNN has carried almost 24 seven sobering COVID news. A few minutes of friendly bantering

00:20:07.620 between two brothers with high profile, high stress jobs is not supposed to be journalism. It's called

00:20:15.360 humor. It is a coping mechanism for some of us. Simple. If it offends you, don't watch.

00:20:21.660 Yeah. I went after her with that tweet as well. And then she came back at me with, who are you? I have

00:20:30.580 no idea who you are. Now she knows. Well, I mean, it's just, it's so gross. And then very recently

00:20:40.720 they had Ron Kim on the view, which I was very grateful to see. He was the lawmaker, uh, who has

00:20:48.420 been very brave, a democratic lawmaker assemblyman from Queens, New York, who has, who lost an uncle

00:20:55.520 in a nursing home and has been very vocal. I've known him for months now. He was the only democratic

00:21:01.320 lawmaker that came in on the zoom call when I had a makeshift hearing with Republican lawmakers after

00:21:08.760 they, uh, decided I, they were too uncomfortable with having me at the actual original hearing about

00:21:15.080 nursing homes. So all the boycotted you except for him. Yes. Ron Kim is the good guys. Right. And he

00:21:24.620 was on the view last week, I believe where Anna Navarro asked, got to ask him a question, but she

00:21:31.220 prefaced it with, well, I live in Florida, so I don't know the nuances of this story. And I, I mean,

00:21:38.960 just, and so I, I found that tweet and I retweeted it and said, well, this aged well.

00:21:48.800 Well, even in that moment, you would respond to her saying one, one of these guys faked his own

00:21:55.880 quarantine. Hi, Chris Cuomo. The other guy let recovering COVID patients back into nursing homes,

00:22:01.200 which ultimately I believe killed one or both of my in-laws. If this clown show happened on Fox,

00:22:06.520 you'd be raging. Sit down, please. Boom. That's exactly right. How dare she? And then when she's

00:22:12.700 got Ron Kim, who not only had a relative killed by the same order we, we believe, but, um, has had

00:22:19.660 the nerve to speak out about it and now is being bullied daily by Cuomo to walk it back, to walk

00:22:24.500 back some of the things he's been reporting. She pleads ignorance. I'm from Florida. Well, then shut up.

00:22:31.080 Why'd you comment on it to begin with? Right. And isn't it her job to know what's happening with

00:22:36.960 Ron Kim to be on a, a, a news program, like the view, if you're going to interview Ron Kim for a

00:22:43.480 few, for a whole segment on your program, don't you think you need to like do some research?

00:22:50.800 Which she did. I guarantee you she did. She didn't like the results for Cuomo. And so she decided to

00:22:58.040 opt into the dumb routine. I had no idea. I mean, that's what they're all doing, right? Like Nicole

00:23:04.140 Wallace had him on like a couple of weeks ago. Didn't ask him anything, nothing about this stuff,

00:23:10.620 right? Like they're all, a lot of these folks on, on MSNBC and other networks are still trying to

00:23:15.680 cover for him. Right. And Nicole Wallace actually just a couple of weeks ago had the governor on

00:23:21.080 and he gave the infamous quote of inept government kills people. I think that's,

00:23:27.300 we have that too. Stand by. We were ambushed like no other state, Nicole. And again, it was from

00:23:35.900 federal incompetence. Uh, they thought the virus was in China. It had left China had gone to Europe and

00:23:41.420 came here for three months before they ever knew, uh, incompetent government kills people.

00:23:48.880 Incompetent government kills people. More people died than needed to die in COVID. That's the truth.

00:23:56.500 And she never followed up. It was, you're a journalist. I actually went after her on social

00:24:05.660 media as well and said, are you kidding me? That was a gift. If you were a journalist, you would

00:24:12.360 have said to him, wow, that's an interesting quote. Considering we've had over 15,000 elderly die

00:24:19.820 and you had an order to put COVID positive patients in a nursing homes for 46 days.

00:24:26.000 What do you say to that, Mr. Governor? But she didn't. It's amazing. She left that on the floor.

00:24:31.480 I mean, just as a moment of like self-promotion, it would have been a clip that would have gone

00:24:35.640 viral. You'd think she'd do it. Nevermind her journalistic sensibility in which I do not

00:24:39.640 believe. But it, it reminded me of a moment where I had Dick Cheney on my show years ago,

00:24:45.140 Barack Obama was president and Dick Cheney had written an op-ed in the wall street journal the

00:24:49.660 morning he was set to come on the Kelly file saying he was blaming Barack Obama for the Iraq war.

00:24:57.140 I was like, okay, if this is Dick Cheney blaming Barack Obama for the, for the Iraq war, right?

00:25:03.780 Which basically he started. And I was like, well, now I'm going to have to club him like a harp seal

00:25:08.140 because he said something insane. And instead of being a friendly interview about his new initiative,

00:25:13.060 he was pushing with his daughter. It's going to, it's going to get ugly because he said something

00:25:16.300 absolutely ridiculous. And of course the clip went everywhere, whatever. That was her moment.

00:25:21.000 But he said something absolutely ridiculous, totally unselfaware, incompetent government

00:25:27.960 kills people. Yes. Right. You are governor, right. You are. How did it happen in your case?

00:25:34.240 Exactly. It was just, she shouldn't even have a show after that. You know, I, it was,

00:25:40.940 and what about Chris Cuomo? What about Chris Cuomo now? I mean, CNN hasn't said anything,

00:25:45.320 all they've said, cause now others are onto that story and saying, all right, is there going to be

00:25:50.880 an apology? Is CNN embarrassed? Do you want to apologize to your viewers for leaving so much

00:25:54.800 journalism on the floor? And, um, their only response is, well, we've resumed policy that

00:25:59.760 he's no longer allowed to interview his brother. I think his brother actually needs to take a leave

00:26:04.480 of absence in all seriousness. I really do. This is a really Chris. Well, I mean, I think the other

00:26:12.420 guy needs to resign, which I think will happen, but the other guy who was on CNN who for months while

00:26:19.140 body bags were being piled up in storage trucks outside of nursing homes, he'd have his brother on

00:26:27.760 talking and joking about COVID. I mean, it, yeah, I, I actually think CNN needs to put him on leave

00:26:36.520 for a while. Yeah, he shouldn't because the night that Lindsay Boyling came out,

00:26:43.240 he didn't touch this story. They didn't touch it. He didn't touch it. NBC, CBS, and ABC ignored it.

00:26:51.440 Totally ignored it. Well, they can't now. I mean, they can't now. It, it, it's easier now for them

00:26:58.260 to cover it because it's a sexual harassment story, right? It's, it's not the, the 15,000 seniors that

00:27:05.200 died. Uh, it's, it's much easier for them to, to cover this story, but you know, even Chris Cuomo

00:27:11.040 should probably have a news person at the bottom of the hour to do the headlines so that at least he

00:27:17.560 can sort of pretend that he's covering the story. Well, that's a good point because CNN is still

00:27:23.980 protecting that. Chris Cuomo is that news person. They pretend that he's a newsman, that Don Lemon's

00:27:28.200 a newsman. I mean, I'll tell you like on the Fox primetime, if news broke during the O'Reilly hour,

00:27:35.040 they would pop up a reporter. You would see Trace Gallagher pop up and do a live report. They knew

00:27:39.560 not to mislead the audience like that. No one was trying to pretend O'Reilly was a straight news guy

00:27:44.320 or Hannity. And yet these guys are out there pretending to be straight news journalists and

00:27:51.080 ignoring one of the biggest stories in the country. And now the other shoe has dropped and they,

00:27:56.340 and they've ignored that too. And what are they, what's Chris Cuomo going to do? Is he going to

00:27:59.840 report on Lindsay Boylan? If his brother's forced to step down, who's good, how are they going to

00:28:03.560 handle that? Huge conflict of interest. There's no way around it. I really think either they put like

00:28:11.300 headline news at the bottom of his hour that he doesn't touch, or he has to take a bit of a vacation.

00:28:17.500 It's not, it's not a good, it's really not good for the Cuomo family right now.

00:28:21.740 Well, it's a good point because how can Chris Cuomo fairly cover Ron DeSantis?

00:28:26.940 Right. In Florida or governor Abbott in Texas or any other governors, if he's barred from covering

00:28:31.180 the New York state governor, as it relates to COVID. Well, he's been, he's been tweeting too.

00:28:37.060 He's, he puts out these tone deaf tweets about, well, the Ted Cruz thing, obviously Ted Cruz going

00:28:43.740 to Mexico when Texas is in dire straits with the, with the ice storm and the snow and the no power.

00:28:50.360 So Ted Cruz takes his family and he goes to Mexico. Dumb idea. Absolutely. There, there's no

00:28:56.680 question. And if you're covering that story, it's an important one because, you know, no lawmaker or

00:29:03.160 someone of, you know, importance, uh, that a Senator no less in Texas should be leaving the state that is

00:29:11.200 in peril. But people are Chris Cuomo, Chris Cuomo going on and talking about Ted Cruz and talking

00:29:17.780 about what a, Oh my goodness, what a silly decision for a governor to make. Oh, that's just open season

00:29:26.540 for us to go after him. Right. Maybe take a seat on that one, Chris. And it really is. He's in an

00:29:33.220 impossible position. He's placed himself there with the help of his network. You're right. He should

00:29:38.120 be benched and he shouldn't be allowed to talk about another governor in this country. I mean,

00:29:42.540 all these lawmakers put him in a compromised position when he wants to talk about incompetence,

00:29:46.480 coverups and COVID. Yeah. It's just, I think it's a really bad look for them right now. And hopefully,

00:29:53.120 you know, they're in meetings trying to figure it out. I guarantee you not that they're not,

00:29:58.960 that would suggest they care. They don't care. They're like dodged. But what happens, you know,

00:30:02.160 what happens, Megan, when this governor is, I mean, seriously, they're thinking of impeaching him

00:30:08.400 or, I mean, they're going to do some, they are going to be doing things in Albany today.

00:30:14.240 I tell you exactly what CNN is going to be like local story. And I don't do anything with DeSantis or

00:30:20.180 Rabbit. That's not a local story. But with Andrew Cuomo, I guarantee they're going to be like local

00:30:23.920 story. Or we mentioned it in a, in a passing news read on Wolf Show, right? It's like, yeah,

00:30:29.380 but zero, zero time devoted to this in the prime time of CNN. Can you imagine at that point,

00:30:34.680 if we do the matchup between their coverage of that versus what they did of Cruz? We already took

00:30:38.560 a look at this a couple of weeks ago. And of course it was dreadful for them. I mean,

00:30:41.440 it just shows their unfairness. We're going to get back to Janice Dean in one second,

00:30:45.100 and we're going to talk about Ron Kim. Now this democratic lawmaker has been jumping up and down

00:30:50.320 right next to JD, trying to make the same points. And good gracious is this guy bold. He came out,

00:30:55.900 he got threatened, he says, by Governor Cuomo directly. He was on the local Fox here, Fox 5.

00:31:02.320 And the anchor said, show me your phone, show me your call records. He liked to prove that the

00:31:08.160 governor had called him the night before. And he did. He pulled up his phone, he shoved it into the

00:31:11.640 camera. There it was, Governor Cuomo. Not that we doubted him, but he sort of said that they'd

00:31:16.000 been calling him a lot and trying to threaten him. And there the evidence was. And Ron Kim

00:31:19.600 went full bore on what this governor did to him, how he threatened him and made him in fear of his

00:31:26.680 life, of his life. So that's coming up. The last time you were here, you'd been jumping up and down

00:31:35.360 saying he issued this order. It killed thousands of people. 6,000 people at least were put into the

00:31:41.040 nursing homes. 6,000 people were killed or so in their nursing homes. And he issued this order,

00:31:48.240 even though he was warned, he was warned by medical boards. This is a fucking terrible idea.

00:31:53.820 They were saying, you're going to kill people. The facilities are too small. They're overcrowded.

00:31:59.120 This is New York City. We don't have sprawling space. People are going to die. And he did it anyway.

00:32:03.620 So it's not like he, I don't say this was a good faith mistake because this was at best,

00:32:09.360 uh, a grossly negligent mistake because he was warned. And even as a lay person, you can see that

00:32:13.900 this was completely knuckleheaded. You were jumping up and down saying people need to pay

00:32:18.240 attention to the story. And you said, I think the number is much bigger than 6,000. I think it's much

00:32:23.680 bigger because he's not counting. He's undercounting that number. And he's not counting the number of

00:32:27.880 people who were sent from the nursing homes once they fell ill and died in the hospitals.

00:32:31.880 You are a hundred percent right. So we're going to get to how that came out. But I,

00:32:37.500 I want to ask you one question. A lot of our listeners asked me and our reviews after you

00:32:42.880 left last time, why, why didn't he send the COVID positive elderly to that ship? You know,

00:32:51.680 the ship Trump sent and it was sitting there on the Hudson. Yeah. Okay. So why didn't he send them

00:32:57.100 there or to one of the hotels? Why did he send them into the nursing homes?

00:33:02.660 Excellent question. And one that we still don't have an answer to. I have my theories,

00:33:07.320 but you are correct in saying we had the comfort ship and we had the Javits center and we had other

00:33:12.920 makeshift hospitals. There was also, um, tents set up in central park. Um, there were all sorts of

00:33:19.380 places for overflow to go into because, you know, that was the excuse is he wanted to make sure that

00:33:25.340 hospital beds were, uh, there were enough of them to take COVID patients in or all of the patients that

00:33:32.820 were going to be coming into the hospitals. So they needed places to put them and Trump gave them

00:33:39.720 those facilities that went, I believe 80% unused. And there is an excellent question into why didn't

00:33:49.500 he use them? Theories of the fact that there was no money exchange. There are articles coming out now

00:33:58.280 about the fact that COVID patients got double the amount for nursing homes to take them in. So there's

00:34:05.100 a money trail. The fact that Cuomo gave blanket immunity, I think two days after he put the March 25th

00:34:12.520 order in place. Why did he give blanket immunity to nursing homes? Huh? Interesting. Uh, was it because

00:34:20.220 the military were in charge of the comfort ship and, uh, the Javits center? So all of these questions

00:34:27.240 are ones I want answers to. And I think that New York state, did New York state make more money

00:34:34.420 in some way. If the patients didn't leave the nursing homes, they made money. If the nursing

00:34:42.960 homes took in COVID patients made more double, I think Ron Kim was the one Ron Kim is actually

00:34:50.280 is a hero. He's doing investigative journalism right now, more so than any of the journalism,

00:34:58.220 uh, outlets out there more so than the news departments. He's actually breaking news every

00:35:03.920 single day on the nursing homes. Uh, so let's talk about that. So he, so two weeks ago before we went

00:35:10.380 to Kalahari, which we'll get to, um, the water slide park, um, with our families, it wasn't just the

00:35:16.400 two of us. That would have been a little weird, but awesome. Okay. I would definitely go.

00:35:20.760 I saw you on that slide, girl. I know you have to talk about that. We, we heard from Ron Kim,

00:35:28.620 like he's the reason we found out about the numbers actually being much higher than like,

00:35:36.060 we knew it, but they hadn't admitted it. And tell us about the conference call he had

00:35:42.420 with Melissa DeRosa and who she is. Right. Melissa DeRosa is Cuomo's top aid. Uh,

00:35:50.280 she and another guy rich as a party, both bullies, by the way, uh, I've, I've been bullied by

00:35:56.300 the one who was like, she's not an authority on anything, but don't with her. That's right. He's,

00:36:02.520 I mean, if you look at his social media, he, he's really brutal. He, he called my sister-in-law.

00:36:10.620 He told her to get a life, uh, grieving sister-in-law and the, you know, there's a,

00:36:17.480 an advocacy group called, um, voices for seniors that I've become close with. Uh, he calls them

00:36:24.720 and people advocating for their elderly, uh, relatives who died a death cult. Okay. So these

00:36:33.380 are the types of people. Yeah. That Cuomo surrounds himself with. These are the people, his aides. So

00:36:38.760 Melissa DeRosa, uh, basically went into a meeting, a closed door meeting with Democrats a couple of

00:36:45.720 weeks ago and we knew it was happening. And there was, you know, some scuttlebutt on, you know,

00:36:51.180 in the Albany press as to why they were having a democratic, uh, meeting with, with lawmakers

00:36:58.320 closed door to talk about nursing homes. Why, why weren't there Republicans there? So it was a two

00:37:04.240 hour meeting. I believe it was conducted over zoom and Melissa DeRosa basically apologized to the

00:37:11.560 Democrats, not to the families, of course, but apologized to the Democrats for sort of not giving

00:37:17.520 them more information on what was happening in nursing homes. The nursing home issue was getting

00:37:21.560 a lot of heat on, you know, in the news. And she basically said, listen, you know, uh, we, we haven't

00:37:28.980 really filled you guys in yet because there was that DOJ investigation into the nursing homes by Trump

00:37:35.700 and he was naming other governors. It was Newsom, uh, Murphy Wolf from Pennsylvania and, uh, Whitmer.

00:37:44.560 He was saying, you know, we're killing all of these seniors. So, you know, we had to sort of get our

00:37:50.920 ducks in a row before we could give you any information. But she basically told the democratic

00:37:56.540 lawmakers that they were covering up the fact that there were more numbers that they weren't producing

00:38:02.040 Ron Kim. I don't know who the leaker was, but hats off to the leaker. Ron Kim was eventually

00:38:09.040 the person that stood up when Cuomo called him on, on the weekend. Before we get to that,

00:38:16.080 before we get to the call. Um, so this woman, according to the reports, Melissa DeRosa said to

00:38:21.460 these Dems, we, we didn't turn over the information to the feds because we were worried about getting

00:38:28.000 prosecuted. We were worried about getting prosecuted. Now she hasn't said anything since

00:38:34.080 it came out. She said this, that the governor's office is, is claiming, Oh no, that that's not

00:38:39.540 exactly, they don't have that right. That's not right. But there's, there's a report that there's

00:38:44.260 a transcript of what she said and that, you know, now she's not gonna be able to wiggle out of it.

00:38:49.100 And she hasn't come out and said otherwise. So if that's true, then this could seriously be

00:38:55.040 obstruction of justice. If the, if the justice department is saying to New York state, give us

00:38:58.580 the numbers, how many people died in nursing homes? How many people died in the hospitals?

00:39:02.640 What are the real numbers? And you're stonewalling as Melissa DeRosa reportedly said, because you don't

00:39:08.240 want to go to jail. Yeah. You got a whole new host of trouble on your hands. Absolutely. And I had spoken

00:39:16.180 with a senior, uh, official with the DOJ in December who told me that as of October, they had not in,

00:39:25.040 gotten any information from Cuomo or the administration. So if that's true from a senior

00:39:31.700 department official, then they were not producing information when asked by the department of

00:39:37.340 justice. Wouldn't that be a crime? Yes, a hundred percent. It would. If there was a great op-ed

00:39:42.820 in the wall street journal on February 21st, um, by a former acting, it was, uh, it was this guy,

00:39:48.880 John, uh, Daukas. I don't know how you pronounce it. D-A-U-K-A-S. He served as principal, Daukas,

00:39:54.780 by his principal deputy and acting U.S. assistant attorney general for the justice department's

00:39:58.600 civil rights division. Um, and he said, this was, this may not have just been negligent,

00:40:05.300 but it looks like it was intentional and perhaps criminal and says, um, it's a crime to conceal

00:40:09.720 information and otherwise obstruct government investigations. Uh, they may have engaged in a

00:40:15.200 conspiracy to defraud the United States and its agencies, possibly obstruct justice and says,

00:40:21.260 even if it cannot be proved that the Cuomo administration knowingly provided false

00:40:25.020 information to justice, New York's willful failure to provide information may itself constitute a

00:40:31.980 criminal offense, particularly if the intent was to thwart a federal investigation, which after all

00:40:38.220 is exactly what Mr. Rosa reportedly said the administration did. Isn't it convenient now that

00:40:44.960 we're focused on sexual harassment with this governor, right? Because it, it, it's getting

00:40:50.800 all of these people off the hook right now. I understand the circles tightening around him.

00:40:56.580 Right. Absolutely. Uh, DeRosa, I believe has lawyered up, uh, but it's all very like there's tentacles

00:41:03.980 all around because now that the federal government is investigating and the FBI, in addition to the DOJ,

00:41:12.580 uh, investigation that was happening, that's been happening for months, Melissa DeRosa's mother-in-law

00:41:19.380 is a judge in the Southern district of New York, which is where something like this would have been

00:41:24.920 brought to. And her father is one of the biggest hospital lobbyists in New York state.

00:41:34.520 No way. So they are all connected. By the way, she's the one, this Melissa DeRosa, who Lindsay

00:41:42.400 Boylan, this is one of his accusers who said he kissed her on the mouth. Um, she, Lindsay Boylan

00:41:48.020 wrote, and I quote, it was also normalized particularly by Melissa DeRosa and other top women around him

00:41:55.400 that only now do I realize how insidious his abuse was. So this woman's name is on, is on a lot. I mean,

00:42:01.160 she's on his inner circle of protectors from the sound of it. So JD, so that breaks. And that was

00:42:07.540 a big, big story that they, they had understated the numbers, as you'd been suggesting all along

00:42:12.900 by a lot, by a lot, right? It was first, they had said it was 6,000. Then when, um, when they knew

00:42:20.380 that this report was coming out, that the AG report was coming out because the attorney general had looked

00:42:24.220 into it and said, it's much higher. Then they were like, Oh, okay. We're ready to raise the numbers.

00:42:28.800 We were just, just about to do it. They raised it, I think to 9,000. Um, and now we know from

00:42:35.020 AP reporting, it's up to 15,000 people. They're saying we're killed directly or indirectly as a

00:42:39.820 result of this governor's order. So now we're up to 15,000 people. And so the night this broke

00:42:47.160 and Ron Kim backed it up, what happened in this meeting with DeRosa, Ron, he, the governor called

00:42:54.100 Ron Kim personally and went off on him and Ron Kim to his credit. The guy's got, you know what?

00:43:00.900 Yep. He goes on TV the next day and goes public with the Cuomo phone call. And here's a bit of

00:43:07.860 Ron Kim telling us what happened. I spoke out and told the truth. And the governor asked me when he

00:43:13.920 called the next day at 8 PM for 10 minutes, berating me and yelling at me in front of my wife,

00:43:19.600 in front of my kids while I was about to bathe my kids to a point where my wife was shaking and I

00:43:25.100 had to walk away from her for a couple of minutes because she can still hear how, what the yelling

00:43:30.300 was on the phone, asking me that, asking me to write a statement, not tomorrow, tonight, um, to

00:43:37.920 clarify, telling me like, are you a lawyer? Uh, you didn't hear it right. You don't have, you know,

00:43:43.220 you're not a lawyer. So how could you have understood what Melissa said? Um, this is what she said.

00:43:48.600 You will issue this statement tonight. You will go back tonight and do it. That night, my wife,

00:43:53.700 um, didn't sleep. Um, she was upset. She was shaking, um, and, um, upset at me for a couple

00:44:03.080 of hours, you know, and blaming me, like, what did you do to us? Um, she was scared, not just

00:44:08.840 for my political career, uh, but for my life. I mean, that's the impact, um, that that phone

00:44:16.600 called head of my family. And, um, it's still, I think, shakes her to think about, uh, what

00:44:23.500 it means for the most powerful, one of the most powerful politicians in the country to

00:44:28.060 call you and threaten your, your livelihood because you're doing your job.

00:44:32.740 Think about that. He's scared for his life. Yeah. This governor made him afraid for his

00:44:41.340 life. I mean, anybody who doesn't think this guy is a dangerous bully who silences all of

00:44:49.400 his critics. You are warned early on, watch your back, watch your back by a friend who knows

00:44:55.080 him well. And, and now other stories, JD are coming out. There's, um, this woman, Lindsay

00:45:00.620 Boylan, she tweeted out saying when I accused him of sexual harassment, he had same names

00:45:05.240 here, rich as a party. That's the guy who said, you're, you're not an authority in anything

00:45:09.280 but the weather call around and bad mouth me. He had loyalists try to intimidate me and

00:45:15.400 anyone who has ever or does work for me. There is one mode with Cuomo and it is fear. I'm done

00:45:21.640 with being afraid. And it looks like others are too. And then on February 22nd, there was

00:45:25.680 an op-ed in the New York Post by a former Post reporter, Morgan Fehm, P-E-H-M-E, saying

00:45:33.020 it's got a call in April of 2014 while she was doing reporting on the governor from Melissa

00:45:38.860 DeRosa. It wasn't the governor himself, but she knew she says it bore the full weight of

00:45:43.260 his power. And DeRosa vowed, quote, to destroy Morgan, to destroy her career and to take revenge

00:45:51.280 on the New York Post. She said, I remember how vividly how I felt scared. I had no reason to

00:45:57.940 think that these were idle threats. And this is this is a pattern. It's a pattern. And he's been

00:46:04.520 getting away with it because. Giant swabs and humor and a Democratic press corps that's not

00:46:14.020 interested in hurting him and too many Democrats running cover for him. Listen, that happens on both

00:46:19.100 sides. Tribalism, where you run cover for the person doing shitty things up top. That's why

00:46:23.820 Ron Kim is such a hero. Totally a hero. And I've spoken to Albany lawmakers who tell me that they

00:46:33.100 don't think even this is going to destroy him. They call him the Terminator. But I think the

00:46:39.780 Terminator, didn't he? Wasn't there like Sarah Connor? Didn't she destroy him in the end?

00:46:44.380 I don't know. He came back. There were many sequels. I can't remember how it went down.

00:46:49.700 There were. But he yeah, people are really afraid of this guy. I mean, and and like you said, there

00:46:56.420 are many stories of midnight phone calls from either the governor or rich as a party or DeRosa

00:47:04.780 screaming into the phone, screaming. How do they get away with something like that? I was thinking

00:47:11.380 about this the other night, you know, in companies, you have an HR department, right?

00:47:16.940 What happens with Cuomo? What if you're this 25 year old aide that this is the biggest job you've

00:47:24.720 gotten out of out of college and you're being harassed by the governor? Where do you go? Is there

00:47:30.420 HR in like government? What's a good point? Because if what this Charlotte Bennett is saying is true,

00:47:37.880 she went to her supervisor, a woman named or somebody above her, a woman named Jill DeRosier

00:47:43.700 and was just transferred. You know, it's like bury the problem. It wasn't as far as I know,

00:47:49.660 it wasn't like, let's go deal with the governor because this is not OK behavior. It was like,

00:47:53.460 oh, well, Charlotte's got to go. And you can hear it like this is, of course, this comes from the top.

00:48:00.520 Melissa and this other guy, they take their marching orders and the tone is set from the top.

00:48:07.060 And you mentioned it earlier, how callous he is, even in talking about the people who were killed.

00:48:14.180 You know, he was like with a shoulder shrug, like people died, which I think we also have. Here it is.

00:48:20.180 Look, whether a person died in a hospital or died in a nursing home,

00:48:26.820 it's the people died. People died. My father was in a nursing home, got transferred to a hospital.

00:48:35.600 My father died. People died.

00:48:40.620 By the way, the same people are dying today, but who cares?

00:48:49.020 Thirty three, twenty eight died in a hospital, died in a nursing home.

00:48:54.660 They died. My father died.

00:48:58.220 I wish I had someone to blame. It would make me feel better, maybe.

00:49:02.880 Ugh. Like, like that's what you're doing. You're just trying to make yourself feel better.

00:49:07.340 Well, I think he's trying to be empathetic, something that he does not know.

00:49:12.540 He's I think actually he is missing that empathy gene.

00:49:17.520 He just can't do it. But I think he thought by talking about his father's death,

00:49:22.740 people would feel sorry for him.

00:49:25.260 And instead, it just made me even more furious because his dad died with people around him.

00:49:30.600 And he died, I believe, of, you know, natural causes or I don't know.

00:49:35.360 I'm sorry what he died of. But my point is his father didn't die in a nursing home

00:49:40.740 because there were infected patients that were ordered to be there.

00:49:45.640 And he had people around him that loved him where my husband could not see his mother or his father at all.

00:49:54.700 He saw his mother through glass. No, sorry.

00:49:58.540 He got a call saying, you can come see your mom dead through a glass window.

00:50:04.460 And he didn't do that.

00:50:05.780 Oh, my God.

00:50:06.400 Yeah. So, you know what, Governor Cuomo? I'm sorry. I can't.

00:50:10.920 And the whole thing of whether they died in the hospital or they died in the nursing home.

00:50:16.600 Well, that is a big deal because that is the number that went from 8,000 to 15,000.

00:50:23.300 And you've been covering up the number.

00:50:26.000 Megan, it's like this.

00:50:27.240 If there is a car crash on the highway and someone, you know, God forbid, dies,

00:50:33.540 but they don't die on the highway.

00:50:35.780 They die either on the way to the hospital or in the hospital.

00:50:39.460 Does that mean that death is not a highway car crash?

00:50:43.340 It's a hospital death? Really?

00:50:46.540 That's what he's saying.

00:50:48.420 And do we believe it was just because he wanted to make it look like that order didn't result in that many people dying or as many as we now know?

00:50:59.660 Absolutely.

00:51:00.600 You know, because he went on interviews, made me furious.

00:51:03.740 And he had the percentages, like he would always say, oh, well, New York is 45th in percentages compared to the other states, those who died in the nursing home.

00:51:15.480 Well, he was using bad numbers for months so that, you know, it was like, well, other states lost more people in nursing homes than we did

00:51:24.280 because New York was the only state that didn't count those that died in the hospital but got COVID in their nursing homes.

00:51:31.300 So, yes, huge cover-up.

00:51:33.820 And that's what you said.

00:51:35.400 Tish James came out with her 76-page review.

00:51:38.620 She conducted her own investigation.

00:51:40.820 I believe it completely caught them off guard because so many people wanted to have those numbers.

00:51:45.340 There were many foil requests from reporters trying to get those numbers, but she did.

00:51:50.800 She went in.

00:51:51.360 And New York State Attorney General has powers that journalists do not.

00:51:54.520 And a Democrat.

00:51:55.900 Right.

00:51:56.300 So she, yep, and she got the numbers, and that's when, you know, it started, the dam started breaking.

00:52:03.480 You know, I asked this the last time, but I think it's worth repeating.

00:52:07.840 To those people who say, you know, it was a difficult time, how could he know?

00:52:12.980 Maybe he was just looking for a place to put these people where they could be safe, you know,

00:52:16.640 they couldn't reject them from the nursing homes, they were sick, you know, did the best he could,

00:52:21.160 we're all dealing with a new pandemic.

00:52:23.600 What say you?

00:52:24.200 If he had said in the very beginning, when we were just finding out about the March 25th order

00:52:30.460 that we did not know about, if he had said, I made mistakes, I wasn't listening to science,

00:52:39.220 instead he was, by the way, listening to hospital lobbyists, I wasn't listening to science,

00:52:46.540 I needed to make sure that there were hospital beds available for sick patients in the hospitals,

00:52:52.020 I am sorry.

00:52:54.280 I will spend the rest of my career trying to write this so that it never happens again.

00:53:01.860 And maybe if he had written condolence cards or sat with families, instead of writing,

00:53:10.280 I'm sorry, you know, I'm trying not to square, and I'm trying not to get upset.

00:53:14.680 But instead of writing, nope, because my son is in Catholic school, I can't do it.

00:53:23.740 Oh, my godson.

00:53:25.460 Your godson is in Catholic school, and I cannot take the Lord's name in vain.

00:53:30.300 I'm setting a bad example.

00:53:32.120 It's okay.

00:53:32.900 If he had not written a book during the middle of a pandemic, or tried to sell a COVID Mountain

00:53:41.680 poster, or won an Emmy Award, and instead called up some families, I think we would have

00:53:49.200 accepted his apology.

00:53:52.200 That's a great point.

00:53:54.380 He now has been asked, would you like to apologize?

00:53:59.260 Would you, you know, would you like to say something to the families?

00:54:02.920 And this is what he said about apologizing.

00:54:05.340 Is there anything that you personally apologize for in this whole process?

00:54:09.400 Apologize?

00:54:10.740 Look, I have said repeatedly, we made a mistake in creating the void.

00:54:18.860 We made a mistake in creating the void.

00:54:20.920 When we didn't provide information, it allowed press, people, cynics, politicians to fill

00:54:31.680 the void.

00:54:33.020 See, the narrative got away from me and went to a false place of me being the bad guy because

00:54:40.680 I didn't fill the void.

00:54:42.800 Because I didn't.

00:54:43.500 And he doesn't mean I didn't give the numbers over.

00:54:45.280 He means I didn't push back against these crazed lunatics who think that my order had anything

00:54:50.700 to do with anybody's death.

00:54:53.880 The void.

00:54:55.400 What about the void in my family?

00:54:58.220 What about the void that my husband doesn't have his parents anymore?

00:55:01.520 That every day on his way home from work, when he used to call his mom, he still has that

00:55:06.600 urge to call his mom.

00:55:08.060 How about that void, Governor?

00:55:09.520 He went on to dismiss you, all the other families, people asking these questions as

00:55:16.580 conspiracy theorists.

00:55:19.000 That you're conspiracy theorists.

00:55:21.620 He's so far away from an apology.

00:55:24.440 And this is the same guy who, out of the other side of his mouth, lectures us on how leaders

00:55:28.480 take responsibility.

00:55:29.860 He's going to hold himself accountable.

00:55:31.740 That's what a leader does.

00:55:33.160 But what he's holding himself accountable for is allowing the void to sit.

00:55:37.940 So conspiracy theorists like you can jump in and accuse him of bad behavior.

00:55:43.340 Right.

00:55:44.200 It just never ends.

00:55:46.200 I mean, and, you know, I do think that this is the beginning of the end for him.

00:55:51.420 And I, I hope and pray, Megan, that, that they don't lose sight of the nursing home issue,

00:56:00.180 that this needs to be investigated.

00:56:02.020 It needs to be fairly investigated because there is so much corruption.

00:56:06.420 I believe it's criminal.

00:56:08.560 I believe people died because of his reckless order.

00:56:13.840 And not only him too, there's a bigger story.

00:56:17.160 He wasn't the only governor that had this executive order.

00:56:20.320 There were others.

00:56:21.540 There was Whitmer.

00:56:22.980 There was Murphy in New Jersey.

00:56:24.640 There was Governor Wolf in Pennsylvania and Newsom in California, all Democrats.

00:56:28.980 And I think there needs to be an investigation on the origin of that order.

00:56:35.840 Why was there a March 25th order?

00:56:38.520 Where did it come from?

00:56:40.460 Because we know it didn't happen because of science.

00:56:43.260 We know that some of his health officials have quit, nine of them.

00:56:47.200 That, that's fairly recent.

00:56:48.380 And, uh, and were the orders in those other states that I mentioned identical to what Cuomo's

00:56:56.780 was because that would be another big story.

00:57:01.280 Well, that's interesting because one of the things he had said in defending himself was

00:57:04.400 I have been in touch with the best experts in dealing with this.

00:57:07.740 You know, I'm sort of surrounded by a team of amazing people.

00:57:10.440 And then, um, Margaret Hoover interviewed the doctor.

00:57:15.380 He mentioned the specific doctor.

00:57:17.360 I think he was from Hopkins and said, is that true?

00:57:19.700 He says you like the main conciliary, Michael Osterholm.

00:57:22.940 And he's like, that at all.

00:57:25.440 Yeah.

00:57:25.640 I just like governor who he said, I spoke one time with one team member of his for like

00:57:32.060 five minutes on the phone.

00:57:33.980 Meanwhile, Cuomo's calling him like a principal advisor.

00:57:36.740 Right.

00:57:37.460 Yeah.

00:57:37.740 He lies.

00:57:38.740 Yeah.

00:57:39.140 There were nine health officials that quit and we still don't know why.

00:57:46.140 So that's another reason to have an independent investigation.

00:57:50.120 Why did these, you know, these scientists that, that he was apparently getting information

00:57:55.260 from, why did they quit?

00:57:58.460 Wow.

00:57:58.920 Is anyone, is there an active investigation right now into any of that?

00:58:03.460 I know like Tish James looked into this, but then, I mean, in all fairness, they say,

00:58:08.940 I love that she did it.

00:58:10.200 Don't get me wrong.

00:58:10.720 But some people say, well, she's a Democrat who wants his job.

00:58:13.360 That's why she looked into it.

00:58:14.480 And then she didn't pursue it.

00:58:16.220 She just sort of dumped a bunch of dirt on him and then was like, okay, peace out.

00:58:19.660 My work is done.

00:58:20.920 It doesn't seem like her investigation is ongoing right now, but I don't know.

00:58:25.100 Is it, do you think it is?

00:58:25.920 And is there another one going?

00:58:26.940 There is, there is another one, another investigation happening.

00:58:30.880 And it was opened to my knowledge because of Melissa DeRosa's confession in that democratic

00:58:37.260 meeting, in that democratic lawmaker meeting.

00:58:40.160 Apparently after that, a federal investigation began.

00:58:44.960 And again, it was supposed to be conducted in the Southern District of New York, but because

00:58:49.200 of DeRosa's connection with the mother-in-law being a judge in the Southern District, it

00:58:54.860 is now the, I believe, Eastern District, which would be Brooklyn.

00:58:58.680 And there's also an FBI investigation.

00:59:00.960 So that is ongoing and I pray, I pray that, you know, it's the side of the law and it's

00:59:09.160 not, you know, looking, I pray that they're doing it for the right reasons, you know, that

00:59:16.720 the lawyers that are looking into that are doing it for justice for the families.

00:59:24.720 Are, is there other, like, what are the possible ways that Cuomo could go down at this point?

00:59:30.960 Well, I've thought about a class action lawsuit because even though I don't know that we

00:59:37.280 would, uh, you know, there probably be no monetary value.

00:59:41.140 I'm not looking for monetary value, by the way, I can't put a price on my husband's family,

00:59:46.120 but maybe that would open the discovery process, right?

00:59:50.860 Maybe if there was a class action lawsuit, there would be, you know, let's find the origins

00:59:56.840 of that March 25th order.

00:59:58.320 Um, why wasn't the comfort ship used?

01:00:01.800 Was there money, uh, being exchanged for the infected patients into the nursing homes?

01:00:10.400 Um, because I really want answers, Megan.

01:00:13.620 I think we deserve that.

01:00:15.960 And if there is corruption, we need to look under the floorboards.

01:00:21.640 I mean, it needs to be, we need to do this for future families because it, you know, if

01:00:29.460 it's an exchange between nursing homes, Medicare, Medicaid, and the government and hospitals,

01:00:36.200 I mean, that's, you know, that's, that's huge.

01:00:40.800 It's like, that's awful.

01:00:42.580 Yeah.

01:00:43.060 Well, so Ron Kim wants him impeached.

01:00:45.920 Ron Kim wants him just to have his emergency COVID powers taken away.

01:00:50.740 Um, five, I think Republican senators have asked for an investigation into him from the

01:00:57.800 feds.

01:00:58.140 Is that what's happened?

01:00:59.520 You're saying it's already happening that he's getting investigated by the FBI.

01:01:02.560 So, I mean, I don't know, like, is impeachment likely?

01:01:07.740 Does it, is there any, are the, do we feel like the Democrats are at all behind that?

01:01:11.940 Or is his, is this going to take him voluntarily resigning?

01:01:16.300 I think he's going to have to, I think it's better for them if he resigns, don't you?

01:01:21.880 Then going through an impeachment process.

01:01:24.040 And I also, you know what?

01:01:26.240 A lot of these lawmakers are so wishy-washy.

01:01:29.000 I mean, I, I'm so angry at our New York state lawmakers.

01:01:34.500 There are some good guys out there like Ron Kim, but there are also people that like,

01:01:39.520 there's one guy that apparently, I don't know the whole story.

01:01:43.620 What's his name?

01:01:44.280 Skoufus.

01:01:45.060 He apparently hid in the bathroom because they were having a vote on whether or not to raise

01:01:51.740 the governor's salary.

01:01:53.380 And he didn't want to vote.

01:01:55.020 So he ran into the bathroom.

01:01:57.080 Oh, yeah.

01:01:59.000 Yeah.

01:01:59.880 Apparently that's, that's, yeah, that's your lawmakers.

01:02:02.900 These are our elected representatives, right?

01:02:05.220 Yeah, exactly.

01:02:05.820 These are people we've sent there to represent us.

01:02:08.300 It's so gross.

01:02:09.860 It really is.

01:02:10.760 It's very discouraging.

01:02:13.340 In our next segment, we're going to get into whether JD is going to run for governor.

01:02:18.300 Should she run for governor?

01:02:19.800 And has she been approached by anyone trying to get her to run for governor?

01:02:24.240 Or trying to dissuade her?

01:02:26.780 Hmm.

01:02:27.580 We'll see.

01:02:28.300 More with JD next.

01:02:33.960 Cuomo, like Trump, he doesn't have an adult relationship with the truth.

01:02:39.180 And I actually, this is a funny bit, but I did think it was kind of telling, just a little

01:02:44.180 telling and somewhat entertaining when you sent this to me.

01:02:47.300 John Oliver went after him, finally, the other day.

01:02:52.700 And he did, he did a great bit, which is well worth Googling if you guys haven't seen it.

01:02:56.240 But there was one part where he was talking about Cuomo's repeated mention of someone named A.J.

01:03:03.400 Parkinson.

01:03:03.720 Listen.

01:03:04.400 And you may have noticed that he was quoting someone there named A.J.

01:03:07.880 Parkinson.

01:03:08.380 And that is something that he likes to do a lot.

01:03:10.880 Remember, textbooks say politicians lead and the people follow.

01:03:14.300 No, it is often the people who lead and the politicians who follow.

01:03:18.220 A.J.

01:03:18.600 Parkinson.

01:03:19.300 A.J.

01:03:19.720 Parkinson.

01:03:20.720 Great quote.

01:03:21.900 I respect elected officials who aren't typical politicians.

01:03:26.080 Don't pass the buck without passing the bucks.

01:03:29.800 A.J.

01:03:30.260 Parkinson.

01:03:30.920 A.J.

01:03:31.280 Parkinson.

01:03:31.840 A.J.

01:03:32.220 Parkinson.

01:03:32.720 A.J.

01:03:33.040 Parkinson.

01:03:33.340 A.J.

01:03:34.060 Parkinson.

01:03:34.640 A.J.

01:03:35.060 Parkinson said that.

01:03:36.220 Now, if you're currently thinking, oh, no, am I supposed to know who A.J.

01:03:40.560 Parkinson is?

01:03:41.380 Don't worry.

01:03:42.000 He's not a famous historical figure that you learned about in school like Plato or Jane

01:03:46.300 Austin.

01:03:46.920 It's actually completely fine not to be familiar with A.J.

01:03:49.800 Parkinson because he doesn't exist.

01:03:52.660 He's a completely made up person, apparently by Cuomo's dad, former governor and Kevin Spacey

01:03:58.280 cosplayer Mario Cuomo.

01:03:59.900 Now, he used to invoke the name of A.J.

01:04:01.900 Parkinson as a kind of inside joke with the press.

01:04:04.980 And while that may have been charming at the time, the current Cuomo doing it during

01:04:09.060 a pandemic when virtually no one gets that it's a joke is a pretty weird move.

01:04:14.140 And look, circulating fake quotes.

01:04:16.820 It's obviously not the worst thing Cuomo's done.

01:04:19.520 That is becoming increasingly clear.

01:04:21.920 But it does feel like a pretty apt metaphor for an administration that has aggressively

01:04:25.700 managed facts to fit its chosen reality.

01:04:28.380 And it actually brings to mind another insightful saying.

01:04:31.900 Andrew Cuomo is a colossal arsehole.

01:04:34.880 It's from an excellent writer named T.J.

01:04:37.100 Pimpernickel.

01:04:37.660 And I'll tell you exactly two things about T.J.

01:04:39.880 Pimpernickel.

01:04:40.380 One, he's a person I totally made up.

01:04:42.840 And two, he's also completely right about Andrew Cuomo.

01:04:46.300 Oh, my gosh.

01:04:50.080 That's so amazing.

01:04:51.860 The next person is going to be A.J.

01:04:53.580 Parkinson's.

01:04:54.300 This just this just in says Cuomo is innocent.

01:04:56.720 Cuomo didn't do a thing.

01:04:59.480 Why doesn't the press call him out on that?

01:05:01.600 I want to see somebody confront him.

01:05:03.900 Well, listen, I'm really glad that it took him a long time.

01:05:09.200 Right.

01:05:10.220 But they're there.

01:05:12.220 But better late than never.

01:05:15.040 No, better late than never.

01:05:16.800 Not only has, you know, have most people not been interested in covering this story, but

01:05:20.740 you've taken a bit of guff for being as vocal as you have.

01:05:24.280 You know, the infamous one was that awful person, Soledad O'Brien, saying meteorologist

01:05:31.300 weighs in and then all of us just piled on her like F you.

01:05:36.100 The meteorologist happened to have lost two of her in-laws, both of her in-laws to this

01:05:40.500 guy's order.

01:05:41.460 So you can just take a seat.

01:05:43.000 And her response was, Lordy, all of these Karens adding me.

01:05:47.120 Go yell at your neighbor, lady.

01:05:48.840 Such a kind, sensitive person.

01:05:51.100 And then there was that rich as a party who we mentioned last I checked.

01:05:54.840 Janice Dean is not a credible source on anything except maybe the weather.

01:05:58.540 Then there's Ben Stiller who got on you like you wrote a book about spreading sunshine.

01:06:02.940 You don't like the governor.

01:06:04.100 I do.

01:06:05.080 Don't be divisive by.

01:06:07.180 I mean, there's got to be some measure of like satisfaction for you now that everything

01:06:13.160 you said was proven true.

01:06:16.580 Well, I think they need to get a little bit more creative in their put downs.

01:06:20.260 Like the weather thing is just so not original anymore, you know.

01:06:27.060 It's true.

01:06:28.600 It's fine.

01:06:29.960 I mean, social media can be a really dark place, obviously, but it can be a really awesome

01:06:36.180 place as well.

01:06:37.360 You know, I have some of the most amazing followers that will defend me, you know, if

01:06:43.360 they see a Soledad O'Brien or even a Ben Stiller.

01:06:46.120 It didn't take long for Ben Stiller to do a quick Google search on my family's history.

01:06:52.720 And then to his credit, he actually did apologize and deleted his tweet.

01:06:56.220 That's more than most people do, more than Soledad or Ana Navarro did.

01:07:02.700 Oh, no.

01:07:02.920 If you criticize Soledad, you're a Karen.

01:07:04.960 Even if you, Janice, the underlying, you know, opinion maker, is 100 percent correct in what

01:07:11.060 you said.

01:07:12.140 But I mean, just for the record, this woman, Soledad O'Brien, was just asked to testify

01:07:15.980 at a congressional hearing about the state of journalism today.

01:07:20.160 This woman.

01:07:20.660 And she she said that, you know, we're suffering from a truth decay.

01:07:23.340 Now, this is the same woman, may I just point out, who tweeted out her support of actor

01:07:28.520 Jussie Smollett, right, who tweeted out she thought Trump had colluded with the Russians

01:07:33.800 even after it was disproven, who tweeted out that she tweeted against the Covington Catholic

01:07:39.220 kids.

01:07:40.060 She was out saying, like, what kind of a morning show would book the Covington teens?

01:07:44.380 Did they ask for forgiveness?

01:07:46.040 That they didn't do anything wrong, you dumbass.

01:07:47.960 They didn't do anything wrong.

01:07:49.300 That she tweeted in support of Jacob Blake.

01:07:50.980 She called me a Karen and a racist.

01:07:53.200 This is the person they called before Congress to inform them about the state of journalism,

01:07:57.720 Janice.

01:07:58.560 Yeah.

01:07:58.740 And she's a very angry person, too.

01:08:00.860 I mean, I just I can't even look at her social media.

01:08:04.720 It's just it's depressing.

01:08:06.740 Listen, I will say this.

01:08:08.260 I look forward to the day that I don't have to be this person calling people out on social

01:08:16.100 media and going back to celebrating National Cheeseburger Day on Fox and Friends, you know,

01:08:21.820 that I feel is more of my wheelhouse.

01:08:24.640 It's not to say that I'm not, you know, informed when it comes to political matters.

01:08:28.920 And if I have something I'm really passionate about, I will certainly, you know, be an advocate

01:08:35.480 for that.

01:08:36.360 But, you know, this political storm that I'm sort of involved in is is quite uncomfortable

01:08:41.300 for me.

01:08:42.300 You know, I just get used to it because you're running for governor.

01:08:47.140 You have got to do it.

01:08:49.960 We have to talk about this.

01:08:51.080 Come on.

01:08:51.400 There is a movement to draft Janice Dean from you run.

01:08:55.400 You're shut up.

01:08:56.280 It's a movement.

01:08:57.160 That's a point.

01:08:58.140 There is one.

01:09:01.600 All right.

01:09:02.180 Wait.

01:09:02.860 So you say let me ask you this.

01:09:05.340 Has anyone not named Megan Kelly and in a position of authority in New York State asked

01:09:10.260 you to run?

01:09:11.300 There have been people who have asked me sort of, but asked, asked me if I'm if I ever

01:09:18.840 thought about doing something like that.

01:09:20.900 So a roundabout way.

01:09:22.520 Does that mean like, is this somebody who would back you or is this somebody who would run against

01:09:27.360 you?

01:09:28.420 I can't give that information out.

01:09:30.680 But look, no, I this point in time that is not happening.

01:09:36.340 And you tell me, I mean, OK, if this governor goes down, right, if he resigns,

01:09:41.300 or he won't get impeached, I don't think that would kind of I just would want to highlight

01:09:50.040 the fact that this governor had put in place a deadly order for 46 days to put COVID positive

01:09:58.840 patients into nursing homes.

01:10:00.300 You know, I feel like someone who is an advocate should maybe run against this guy to point out the things

01:10:08.640 that he has gotten wrong and how he's a terrible governor.

01:10:11.320 But if he resigns, then, you know, I feel like I'm hopeful there might be someone better than

01:10:20.020 he that will come into power.

01:10:23.400 So, you know, for me, it was always if I was even thinking about something like that, it would be the

01:10:31.360 reason to shed a light because sunlight, we all know, is the best disinfectant to shed a light on

01:10:37.520 on the policy that I believed, believe, you know, kill my in-laws, or at least I think, you know,

01:10:46.200 I don't have any proof in front of me.

01:10:49.000 Um, but that it is undeniable that putting over 9,000 infected patients into nursing homes where

01:10:58.680 our most vulnerable live would have an impact on their lives.

01:11:04.760 Of course.

01:11:05.820 So, but let me just ask.

01:11:09.020 So I don't actually don't think you should rule it out.

01:11:12.080 It just, it just only if he goes down because all this corruption that's in the government,

01:11:16.900 we think is still going to be there.

01:11:18.980 Somebody's got to go in and clean it up.

01:11:20.320 Somebody like you, somebody who's not a politician, someone who's like a citizen,

01:11:24.640 a concerned citizen, a mom, a professional, a smart woman.

01:11:30.140 It's so fun.

01:11:30.980 Like you're unassailable.

01:11:31.980 Like people try to attack you and they're like, ah, shit, there's nothing.

01:11:35.380 I can't land anything.

01:11:36.720 She's like the most sympathetic, kind, well-liked character.

01:11:40.280 It's super fun on Twitter watching them realize that.

01:11:44.020 Oh, so I just like, it would, it would, I am totally on this issue.

01:11:49.040 I've been open about my bias on this and, and toward him, you know, against him.

01:11:52.700 Um, but I do think JD, if we can't get people like you, good people, you don't have to,

01:11:58.380 no one goes to like, I majored in how to be a New York state governor, you know, like life,

01:12:04.740 life experience brings these things to you.

01:12:06.740 And this whole thing has been so eyeopening.

01:12:09.020 So I don't know.

01:12:10.780 You're not ruling it out completely.

01:12:11.960 Are you?

01:12:14.240 Uh, I sort of think I am.

01:12:17.940 I, you know, I, I think, listen, if you had told me a year ago, a year ago, oh, the New

01:12:25.420 York post is going to do a story about how maybe you should run for governor.

01:12:28.900 I would have been like, are you having too many of that tequila?

01:12:32.620 Are you having too many shots of tequila?

01:12:34.420 Uh, you know, it's very strange to be in this, put in this position, be even being asked the

01:12:40.280 question.

01:12:40.920 But like you said, somebody like a Ron Kim, for example, who have had, who's had something

01:12:46.360 happen to his family.

01:12:47.840 He is passionate about finding the truth.

01:12:51.860 Uh, I like him as a human being.

01:12:54.800 I don't know a whole lot about his policies, but he's a good man.

01:12:59.820 That's somebody I think, uh, who, you know, would be a viable, strong candidate.

01:13:06.860 Even someone who has been affected by the coronavirus, like a, a restaurant manager or

01:13:13.580 worker or someone who owns a small business, you know, those people are the ones that have

01:13:19.460 skin in the game and want to see change.

01:13:22.600 And I think that makes an effective leader.

01:13:27.520 What about Lieutenant Governor?

01:13:29.200 I didn't know who Lieutenant Governor was until very recently.

01:13:35.640 I couldn't even know what her name is, but obviously she is somebody that might take that

01:13:40.880 role if Cuomo resigns.

01:13:43.400 Um, I'm not sure what a Lieutenant Governor does.

01:13:46.820 Nothing, nothing.

01:13:47.720 I don't think they do anything either, but it would be fun to have you in that role.

01:13:51.220 Now, wait, you mentioned that, uh, you know, sun sunlight is the best disinfectant, which

01:13:56.100 is a good transition to.

01:13:59.200 Sunshine and making your own because you've got a book out.

01:14:03.820 And by the way, we are getting to Kalahari, but you have a book out, uh, now a new book

01:14:08.680 and that's the title, make your own sunshine.

01:14:11.060 And what's, what is the book about?

01:14:14.120 I started writing this book.

01:14:16.800 Well, you know what, if I go right back to the origin of it, it's the Dean's list.

01:14:21.640 The Dean's list has been on Fox news radio now for many years.

01:14:26.020 And it actually started out on my friend, Jane Skinner show, Jane Skinner and John Scott.

01:14:31.060 It was happening.

01:14:31.700 Now you were around during the time and Jane Skinner wanted to do like a good news story,

01:14:37.120 a kicker, we call it in the news business, um, at the end of a newscast or to just break

01:14:42.280 up the, the bad news that, that, you know, we all report on.

01:14:45.400 Um, and we started doing it, it didn't last very long, but she was the one that, that

01:14:49.560 came up with the Dean's list.

01:14:51.140 And so it started on television.

01:14:52.740 It didn't last very long, but then Fox news radio came to me many years ago and said,

01:14:57.960 we need some, you know, we need some, um, content for Fox news radio in between commercials,

01:15:04.460 uh, between shows, that kind of thing, something that's about a minute long.

01:15:09.080 Do you have any ideas for us?

01:15:10.680 And I'm a radio gal.

01:15:11.720 I started out in radio.

01:15:13.520 Um, and I just thought, Oh, the Dean's list, a minute long good news story that I did on

01:15:19.760 Fox news radio.

01:15:20.500 And I still do it five days a week.

01:15:22.620 And when my editor, Eric Nelson from Harper Collins came to me after mostly sunny, which

01:15:28.380 was the memoir that came out two years ago.

01:15:30.660 Uh, he said, do you have another book?

01:15:32.820 You know, what do you think?

01:15:34.540 And I told him about the Dean's list.

01:15:36.300 I said, you know, I only get a minute to talk about these good news stories, but I know

01:15:39.780 that there's way more, uh, to dig into when it comes to some of these amazing people that

01:15:45.760 I'm featuring.

01:15:47.100 Um, and I, you know, why don't I send you a couple of stories and, and, and I'll flesh

01:15:52.740 them out.

01:15:53.240 I'll, I'll make a phone call.

01:15:55.120 I'll, I'll talk to them.

01:15:56.580 I'll find out what the backstory is and why they did the wonderful thing that they did and

01:16:01.920 see if that's something that, you know, that you might like as a, as a book.

01:16:06.840 And so I did, I, I, I sent him a couple of Dean's lists that I did more research on.

01:16:12.400 And I talked to the people that were featured in the story and he said, great.

01:16:16.580 It sounds like a chicken soup for the soul type of book.

01:16:20.360 Remember that book a few years ago?

01:16:21.980 Gosh, it must be 10 or 15 years ago.

01:16:24.320 Yeah.

01:16:25.360 And it was a huge success.

01:16:27.700 And it was.

01:16:28.560 And so I started writing it before the pandemic and then the pandemic happened and I was writing

01:16:36.840 most of it during the pandemic.

01:16:38.280 And I was calling these people, I was having zoom calls and I was doing phone calls and

01:16:43.420 I'll tell you, it got me through the darkest moments of the pandemic.

01:16:49.060 It, it was a book I feel that was meant to be written, not only for people to read about

01:16:55.300 these wonderful individuals, but for my own sanity, for my own self-care.

01:17:04.580 I, you know, these people were strangers that I was talking to, but I just got so much out

01:17:11.260 of our conversations.

01:17:12.180 And, you know, I would go for daily walks with either Theodore or Matthew, my kids, and I

01:17:18.060 would, Matthew would ask me every day, who'd you interview today for your book?

01:17:21.640 And I would tell him the story of, of Garth Callahan, uh, the, the, um, the napkin notes,

01:17:29.420 dad, who started writing napkin notes when his daughter, Emma was just a little girl and

01:17:35.180 he would put them in her, her lunch bag.

01:17:37.380 And then he kept doing it for many years.

01:17:39.440 And then he was diagnosed with cancer and he realized he wanted her to still have napkin

01:17:44.600 notes until she was, you know, out of the house and off to college.

01:17:49.300 So he spent many days and long hours writing out napkin notes, uh, because he thought he

01:17:56.080 was going to die.

01:17:57.520 And, um, you know, it's just, he's still around, he's still here and he's doing well.

01:18:03.920 And I talked to Garth and I talked to Emma and what that means to them, just a small little

01:18:09.740 note in your lunch bag.

01:18:11.980 Um, so, you know, these are the types of stories that really, um, it makes you realize we're

01:18:18.180 all connected.

01:18:19.360 We all, you know, just a little moment like that can change your whole day.

01:18:24.540 And that's what this book means to me.

01:18:27.160 It's, it's a book about kindness and, and, and shedding light on these wonderful people

01:18:35.700 that really, um, you know, they, they are the epitome of humanity.

01:18:41.960 I know it's going to be a bestseller, just like the first one was New York times bestselling

01:18:46.700 book, bestselling author.

01:18:48.380 This one will be as well.

01:18:49.720 And I, you know, I think this is appropriate because I, that's sort of who you are.

01:18:54.960 You, you really are a look on the bright side.

01:18:57.200 Cause it's not like we don't have our moments of drama or upset, but you are able to dig yourself

01:19:02.520 out of a lot, you know, life's thrown a lot your way.

01:19:05.740 And I, I get, I think it's probably this attitude that gets you over to the other side.

01:19:11.340 Like there's gotta be a silver lining.

01:19:13.040 There's gotta be something here that's going to make me feel better.

01:19:16.140 And even if it's not in this story, let me think about other stories that will make me

01:19:20.600 bring more positivity into my life as opposed to negativity.

01:19:24.340 The one thread in all of these stories is going through challenges.

01:19:31.420 Every single story in this book, um, will show you a challenge that this person or this event

01:19:39.600 has during their lives has happened and they've come out on the other side of it and realized

01:19:46.100 I am so grateful and I am going to show how grateful I am by doing something special for

01:19:51.780 someone else.

01:19:52.340 I, I go to the example of Ray Pfeiffer, a good friend of mine and my husband, a firefighter,

01:20:01.120 Ray of light, he, um, God, I get emotional just thinking of him.

01:20:06.700 He was larger than life.

01:20:08.960 Um, one of, you know, he'd walk into a room and you would stop what you were doing because

01:20:12.920 he was just one of those people that you, you gravitated towards.

01:20:16.020 He dug for months, uh, at the pile after nine 11, trying to, you know, dig up, um, remains,

01:20:24.940 uh, for the families of his fellow firefighters, along with my husband, Sean, and he got, um,

01:20:32.500 cancer, nine 11 related cancer.

01:20:34.340 And he spent the last year or so of his life sick with cancer, um, going down to, uh, DC

01:20:46.160 to bang on Chuck Schumer's door and all of these lawmakers to ensure that his brethren,

01:20:53.720 his family members in the FDNY were taken care of and their families were taken care of if

01:21:00.160 they were diagnosed with nine 11 related cancer.

01:21:03.100 And he got that bill passed the, the Zadroga bill, um, along with John Stewart, you know,

01:21:08.820 it was a big story.

01:21:09.700 John Stewart was a big advocate for, for Ray and this, and this bill, but I write about

01:21:14.760 him because he took this great challenge and he brought sunshine and sunlight to all of these

01:21:22.640 families, including mine.

01:21:23.900 And I know that if Sean gets cancer, um, down the line that Ray took care of us.

01:21:30.900 So those are the types of stories there.

01:21:32.960 There are a lot of them that are going to make you cry, but there are, but all of them

01:21:36.740 are going to make you want to be a better person.

01:21:39.180 That's the thing that people, you know, they may not realize about you is it's, it's not just

01:21:44.800 that Sean's parents were killed in the nursing homes.

01:21:47.140 You know, they died in the nursing homes and he wasn't able to see them.

01:21:50.240 Um, it's that Sean, Sean's a firefighter.

01:21:54.060 Sean has devoted his life to helping other people and he couldn't help his own parents

01:22:00.180 through no fault of his own.

01:22:02.400 And you guys live with the fear of that.

01:22:04.900 I know, I know that you live with the fear of what all of his months at ground zero digging

01:22:11.320 through all that toxicity and the remains of his fellow firefighters, virtually all of whom

01:22:16.560 were killed, um, from his unit on nine 11.

01:22:20.780 Will that come back to haunt him physically as it has for far too many guys who are down

01:22:26.200 there digging through the rubble?

01:22:28.080 There's no way of knowing, you know, that's one of those things you just have to live with,

01:22:32.400 you know, like people who've got certain cancer genes, you know, you hope for the best.

01:22:36.460 You can't always do something about it, but I do think it's part of your story, JD, you know,

01:22:41.760 like you're protective of him and your family and there's certain injustices you can do very

01:22:49.580 little about and there are certain you can fight and when you can fight, you must.

01:22:55.480 And, and I, it brings me full circle because, you know, you, we were talking about what if

01:23:00.320 Cuomo goes down as a result of these Me Too allegations, right?

01:23:03.040 And, and you were saying, of course, I'm totally in support of women's rights and, you know,

01:23:08.360 holding abusive bosses to account, but I don't understand why 15,000 dead seniors wouldn't have

01:23:15.160 been a good enough reason, right?

01:23:16.660 Like we were having this conversation and I said to you, it's almost perfect in a way, JD, if he goes

01:23:23.560 down because of this, because you had a major role in launching the Me Too movement, whether

01:23:30.680 people know it or not, we talked about that the last time you came on, there, there would

01:23:35.660 be no Me Too movement without you.

01:23:37.540 There wouldn't, you know, we talked about like bombshell, right?

01:23:40.660 They feature me a lot.

01:23:41.680 I had a role.

01:23:42.400 You had a huge role.

01:23:43.900 You're the one who went door to door and got all the women to feel comfortable coming forward

01:23:48.540 to Paul Weiss.

01:23:50.120 And you and I both know we did not feel Gretchen Carlson would have won that lawsuit if the

01:23:54.680 women hadn't come forward to back her.

01:23:56.620 For sure.

01:23:57.300 She fired the first bullet in this war for sure.

01:23:59.400 But she was going to lose that case in all likelihood without the women of Fox News going

01:24:05.560 in there and you were critical.

01:24:08.180 So six years ago, you helped launch this kind of bomb out into the atmosphere that was up

01:24:13.540 there.

01:24:14.380 And if the past 10, 11 months of you out there banging this drum saying, please pay attention

01:24:20.960 to what he did.

01:24:22.100 Please understand he's not being honest about these numbers.

01:24:25.360 I'm telling you, I know he's not being honest and were criticized and diminished and bullied.

01:24:31.400 And you kept talking.

01:24:33.440 And the meteorologist kept talking.

01:24:36.520 And he was hobbled because of you.

01:24:39.740 And now if the thing that that pushes over the hobbled man is this Me Too bomb that was launched

01:24:47.520 in the atmosphere in part by you six years ago, then so be it.

01:24:52.200 You could say it's divine right order.

01:24:53.900 I don't know what to say.

01:25:01.420 I tell you, like, it's.

01:25:05.760 I do.

01:25:06.640 I feel like I'm on the verge of tears a lot.

01:25:09.060 Like, I do.

01:25:10.580 I want to protect him.

01:25:11.780 And I want to.

01:25:13.500 He.

01:25:14.500 God, he loved his parents so much.

01:25:16.580 He really did.

01:25:17.380 He really did.

01:25:18.180 And he he's such a quiet guy and I would do anything for him.

01:25:22.760 I really would.

01:25:23.560 And that's what it's down to.

01:25:24.980 I just want to.

01:25:27.140 I want to be able to speak up for those who don't have that microphone, you know, like

01:25:32.980 that I had this platform.

01:25:34.620 I was able to do it.

01:25:36.000 I don't know what's going to happen.

01:25:37.300 You know, I just it it's it's either right or wrong, right?

01:25:43.740 It's it it's it's black or white here.

01:25:46.360 It it he did something wrong and and he needs to be punished for it.

01:25:52.640 He really does.

01:25:53.700 He needs to be held to account.

01:25:56.180 He does.

01:25:57.140 And and I would do it over again.

01:26:00.360 I would.

01:26:01.360 And those are very kind words from you.

01:26:03.300 And you are completely biased.

01:26:06.500 In a good way.

01:26:07.720 But but I've said to you as well, you started this as you know, you if it wasn't for you,

01:26:14.040 these people, these wonderful ladies who are speaking up right now against this bully

01:26:21.360 governor, they wouldn't have had the courage if it wasn't for you.

01:26:26.220 So, you know, if you're giving me all these kudos for launching things in the atmosphere

01:26:31.620 out, you were holding my hand.

01:26:33.320 Janice, I continue to marvel at you.

01:26:37.740 People have no idea.

01:26:38.840 They just have no fucking clue.

01:26:40.400 And I was like, you're just so strong.

01:26:42.680 You know, we haven't.

01:26:43.940 It's like between your MS and your worries about Sean's health, legitimate worries.

01:26:48.140 And you've had a lot in your family and the loss of both of your in-laws in the course

01:26:52.140 of two weeks taking on Roger Ailes, taking on the governor of New York all alone with

01:26:59.300 Ron Kim, but basically by yourself and you're winning.

01:27:03.200 You're winning.

01:27:04.220 He's being held to account.

01:27:05.840 What what form the justice takes remains to be seen.

01:27:09.440 But one thing's clear.

01:27:10.600 You're a hero.

01:27:12.160 You are the hero of this story.

01:27:14.280 A heroine.

01:27:15.620 And I love you, lady.

01:27:17.060 I love you.

01:27:17.500 I know.

01:27:18.040 I love you, too.

01:27:18.840 So let's just get to Kalahari now, actually.

01:27:22.100 OK, so this is a feature we have that we call real talk on the show.

01:27:26.260 We just basically talk about something going on in the news or in my life or what have you

01:27:29.760 that, you know, may be of interest to the viewers and the listeners.

01:27:33.560 I always get it confused.

01:27:35.060 And I want to talk about Kalahari, the kid Vegas that sits in the middle of the Poconos,

01:27:41.120 Pennsylvania.

01:27:42.520 And we've done it once before.

01:27:44.400 We went to Camelback, I think, the last time.

01:27:46.100 There are two of them.

01:27:46.660 And we did this this other one this time around for your boys birthdays, which fall within

01:27:53.520 basically three weeks of one another in January and February.

01:27:56.500 And our families went out to Kalahari a couple of weeks ago, two weeks ago.

01:28:01.400 And it was amazing.

01:28:04.460 And I just want to set it up and then bring you in.

01:28:06.640 So I I went first.

01:28:09.740 J.D. was we got a cabana, which was the lapse of luxury.

01:28:13.360 I mean, it was like the cabana is a game changer, people.

01:28:18.320 So J.D. was sitting in it and I ran out for the first round with the kids and our husbands

01:28:22.900 were there, too.

01:28:23.500 They were doing the slides and they're amazing.

01:28:25.860 It's such a great water slide place.

01:28:27.160 Like whatever you're thinking, it's too little.

01:28:28.580 They have more, more, more, more, more.

01:28:30.300 And it was so fun.

01:28:31.800 And of course, I started off like I'm not doing any ones that are going to get my hair and

01:28:35.060 makeup wet.

01:28:35.780 I want to look good.

01:28:36.780 I don't look like a drowned rat for the rest of the day.

01:28:39.240 Flash forward to like third slide.

01:28:40.680 I'm like, right, totally submerged in the water.

01:28:44.120 So surrender to it and had so much fun.

01:28:47.540 Then we go back to the cabana and I I said to Janice, you know what I was just thinking

01:28:52.780 about?

01:28:53.820 I said, sometimes I think about people with these big lives.

01:28:58.640 I think about Oprah or let's say Prince Harry, Meghan Markle, right?

01:29:03.280 They they have these big lives.

01:29:05.980 But you know what?

01:29:07.960 Especially Oprah.

01:29:09.060 I don't I don't know about Meghan and Harry.

01:29:10.740 I guess they're trying to be more normal.

01:29:12.200 You know what they're never going to have?

01:29:13.640 They're never going to have the joy of going down the slides with their kids in the E.

01:29:18.980 coli ridden waters of the random water park.

01:29:23.220 And I mean it.

01:29:24.380 It's like I can't think of another event in my life that makes me feel more joyful than

01:29:29.940 that one.

01:29:30.680 We do it at the summers, too, at the place we go in Jersey.

01:29:33.300 There's a there's a little water park and something about being at the water park with

01:29:36.980 my children.

01:29:38.380 It might be my most joyful, joyful moment on Earth.

01:29:41.900 And I know it's disgusting.

01:29:43.720 You can get planners worse.

01:29:45.020 You get all skin conditions.

01:29:46.520 And there's definitely something in the water that's not good.

01:29:49.600 But I don't care.

01:29:51.700 Remember, Doug, he said I planted my face into, you know, going down one of these rides

01:29:57.600 and I could taste chlorine and I could taste something else.

01:30:03.020 Other bad things don't.

01:30:04.620 And it's better not to ask.

01:30:05.860 It's a don't ask, don't tell situation.

01:30:07.900 By the way, we emerged without getting sick.

01:30:09.840 Nothing bad happened.

01:30:11.900 But I just want to talk to you about it because did you did you enjoy it as much as I did?

01:30:16.900 And do you agree?

01:30:18.860 Like, it's like it doesn't take.

01:30:20.660 Yes, we had the cabana, which was a luxury, but it wasn't that expensive.

01:30:24.300 It's it's the little things in life that bring true joy.

01:30:29.480 That's exactly it.

01:30:30.660 And I must preface this with my kids love your kids so much.

01:30:35.040 They they are cousins.

01:30:36.960 I mean, not by blood, but by friendship.

01:30:40.500 And my boys every year around their birthday, you know, their biggest gift would be to spend

01:30:45.980 time with your family.

01:30:47.180 Like they consider that a birthday gift.

01:30:49.480 And we had done it a couple of years ago with with both with both families at Camelback

01:30:56.520 in the Poconos.

01:30:57.560 Poconos is basically known as, you know, water park central with these two big, big water

01:31:04.740 park extravaganzas.

01:31:07.820 But we decided on point out indoor.

01:31:09.760 Yes, indoor.

01:31:10.660 Right.

01:31:11.000 Um, but we decided on Kalahari this year and my kids were just so excited on the lead

01:31:17.720 up.

01:31:18.540 Um, and you're right, uh, being there with your children.

01:31:22.480 And I can't say that I am.

01:31:24.740 You are much more adventurous than I am.

01:31:26.940 I have not been on a water slide probably since my teenage years.

01:31:30.740 And my kids know that.

01:31:31.940 But let me just say this, they were so proud of me because aunt Megan convinced me you went

01:31:38.680 on the ride first.

01:31:39.780 You, you test drove the water park ride and thought to yourself, okay, JD doesn't like

01:31:45.460 getting the water in her face.

01:31:46.500 She has MS.

01:31:47.300 She can't be submerged in hot water for a long period of time.

01:31:50.460 It's not good for her health.

01:31:51.740 I'm just going to try this ride.

01:31:53.180 And it's the elephant ride.

01:31:54.360 And you came out and you were like, JD, you can do this.

01:31:57.160 I know you can.

01:31:58.080 And again, it's been at least 30 years since I've done a water park ride.

01:32:03.660 And my kids have always at every time, mom, can you please do it with us?

01:32:07.420 Mom, please, please.

01:32:08.540 No, not this time, honey.

01:32:09.820 I'm sorry.

01:32:10.460 I'll maybe next time, but you got me on the ride.

01:32:13.580 I went down, not going to lie.

01:32:15.280 I'm still terrifying.

01:32:16.880 Uh, but my hair didn't get wet and it wasn't bad.

01:32:21.560 And my little Theodore the whole time afterwards kept telling me how proud he was of me.

01:32:29.740 And I have you to thank for getting me over that hump, uh, and making my own sunshine by,

01:32:38.420 you know, conquering my fears and going down the water park ride.

01:32:42.700 And it was because of you.

01:32:44.360 And so I thank you.

01:32:46.340 My family thanks you, uh, yet to be, we're going to do it again.

01:32:51.760 And there will be another water park ride in my future.

01:32:56.740 Absolutely.

01:32:57.320 And this episode was brought to you in part by Kalahari water.

01:33:00.780 No, it wasn't.

01:33:01.680 We got nothing.

01:33:02.760 We take.

01:33:03.540 Well, now we need like our own cabana forever.

01:33:07.080 Oh, totally.

01:33:08.020 They should name one after us after this free promo.

01:33:11.060 I'm going to have to call them, see if they would do want to sponsor the episode.

01:33:14.360 It was amazing.

01:33:15.500 And you, you did.

01:33:16.320 And you know what?

01:33:16.860 Conquering fear could be a theme of the episode.

01:33:18.740 This one and the last one.

01:33:20.520 We all do that water park ride.

01:33:22.620 Just do it.

01:33:23.860 Do it.

01:33:24.480 And screw you, Oprah.

01:33:26.660 I don't know.

01:33:27.320 It's about why it's about Oprah.

01:33:28.540 I don't know why, but it is.

01:33:30.320 He's probably never been to Kalahari.

01:33:32.760 Right.

01:33:33.300 Well, that's the thing.

01:33:34.120 So it's like Oprah has this huge ranch called the promised land and she's probably got her

01:33:38.100 own private plane and she's got billions of dollars, but she doesn't have this life that

01:33:42.540 would bring her to Kalahari.

01:33:44.820 That's, and you know what?

01:33:46.100 It was all working class people in there.

01:33:48.080 It was great.

01:33:48.860 You know, it was like, I was just like the heart of America, you know, sometimes, especially

01:33:53.140 now in my life, I get brought to these fancy events, whatever it is, the Met Gala.

01:33:58.500 This blows doors on the Met Gala.

01:34:00.180 I would do this a thousand times over again to the Met Gala zero.

01:34:04.200 Ideally, I, this is true happiness in life.

01:34:07.580 It's fun.

01:34:08.160 You're with your kids, your family, your husband, your spouse.

01:34:11.720 The, everyone is joyful with huge smiles on their faces.

01:34:15.540 In our case, we had some margaritas.

01:34:17.540 You had a terrible food, like greasy chicken fingers and pizza.

01:34:22.720 It's like, you know, you give yourself the day here and there where you can go for it.

01:34:26.380 Then the next day with a huge arcade.

01:34:29.020 And I love that too.

01:34:30.680 I'm really just a nine-year-old boy at heart.

01:34:32.440 So I don't know.

01:34:33.780 It was next year.

01:34:35.260 Go karts.

01:34:36.940 I'm in.

01:34:37.560 And it's, it's, we're making memories for our families.

01:34:39.940 And that's what it's all about.

01:34:41.240 And I love you.

01:34:42.300 I can't imagine anybody else that I would rather ride the water park ride with.

01:34:47.620 Same lady.

01:34:49.080 Same.

01:34:52.700 All right.

01:34:53.540 So don't miss Friday's episode.

01:34:55.220 We've got Larry Elder.

01:34:57.100 I'm excited for this.

01:34:58.600 He is so smart.

01:35:00.860 Did you ever see the YouTube video of Larry Elder demolishing my dear friend, Dave Rubin,

01:35:08.260 on the question of systemic racism in the United States?

01:35:11.280 Oh my God, it was a beating.

01:35:13.020 Dave would be laughing if he were sitting here next to me.

01:35:15.320 He's aware.

01:35:16.200 Dave was sort of the, the white liberal.

01:35:18.960 At that point, Dave was still a liberal.

01:35:20.160 He was working for the Young Turks for some time.

01:35:22.720 And he was sort of challenging Larry.

01:35:24.440 Like there's systemic racism in the school system and the police system and blah, blah, blah.

01:35:27.740 And Larry just took out his Edward Scissorhands and ch-ch-ch-ch-ch.

01:35:32.000 I mean, there was poor Dave with little, in tatters sitting across from him.

01:35:35.880 So I think he's, he's really well-read, well-researched.

01:35:40.180 So we're going to talk about this systemic racism thing and try to get some facts, right?

01:35:45.420 Is it true?

01:35:45.960 People just throw it out there like it's a thing.

01:35:47.380 And if you disagree with it, there's something wrong with you.

01:35:49.620 Let's talk about it.

01:35:50.700 Let's talk about it.

01:35:51.740 You know, he's just released this movie called Uncle Tom, which is very thoughtful,

01:35:56.340 very insightful, very respectful, and talks about what it's like to be a black person

01:36:01.620 who doesn't sign on to some of these sort of liberal orthodoxies.

01:36:06.020 And it's doing very well.

01:36:07.520 So anyway, we're going to get into all of it.

01:36:08.820 Looking forward to Larry Elder on Friday.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - March 03, 2021

Janice Dean on the Fall of Andrew Cuomo, and The Importance of Making Your Own Sunshine ｜ Ep. 71

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