The Megyn Kelly Show - January 6 Obsession and Maxwell Verdict, with Comfortably Smug, Michael Duncan, Josh Holmes, Arthur Aidala, and Lis Wiehl ｜ Ep. 235

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.760 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. There is a lot of news to

00:00:16.540 cover today. The craziness in Chicago and these teachers refusing to do their jobs. The lawlessness

00:00:24.080 in New York, where we've now got New York City, a DA who doesn't much want to prosecute

00:00:30.620 crime. It doesn't matter how many cops they put back on the streets or refund the police

00:00:34.300 for. You can't prosecute crime if you don't have a DA who will go after it. We'll tell

00:00:38.960 you what he's doing. But first, we start with this. The Democrats and the media, but I repeat

00:00:43.700 myself, are going all in on January 6th. Perhaps you've noticed. Wall-to-wall coverage, dramatic

00:00:49.840 speeches, moments of reflection, even a prayer vigil, all planned to mark the day. This is

00:00:56.520 how the Vice President of the United States of America, Kamala Harris, described January

00:01:03.800 6th this morning.

00:01:06.280 Fellow Americans, good morning. Certain dates echo throughout history, including dates that

00:01:15.540 instantly remind all who have lived through them, where they were and what they were doing

00:01:22.220 when our democracy came under assault. Dates that occupy not only a place on our calendars,

00:01:31.780 but a place in our collective memory. December 7th, 1941. September 11th, 2001. And January 6th,

00:01:44.780 2021. This is absurd. That is absurd. This day does not deserve to be mentioned in the same

00:01:53.580 breath as those other days. How dare she? How dare she? She's just the latest to try to exploit 1.00

00:02:00.980 a dark, disturbing riot over which none of us is proud. No one thinks that was a good day or a proud

00:02:09.280 day in America. But how dare you compare it with something as grave as the murder of 3,000 Americans

00:02:15.720 on 9-11? Pearl Harbor. She's not the first to do it. The pundits from The Washington Post have done it.

00:02:21.980 The Huffington Post, ABC News, MSNBC, and elsewhere have been doing it for a year. It's quite something

00:02:29.880 to hear it directly from the Vice President, however. Look, there's no need to overstate what

00:02:34.660 happened on that day. There's no need to overstate it. It was embarrassing. It was gross. And it was

00:02:41.040 illegal. People rioted at the U.S. Capitol. I'm not talking about the people who went and listened

00:02:45.580 to Trump. That's one thing. Don't lump them in. People went and listened to Trump and they're

00:02:49.420 allowed to do that. But the people who went and rioted at the U.S. Capitol with BS claims about

00:02:54.980 cracking and stolen ballots and all of it, the Sidney Powell line of stolen election claims,

00:03:02.820 those people, A, were wrong, and B, those who actually engaged in violence ought to be held

00:03:09.620 accountable. They hurt cops, they scared a lot of public servants, and they desecrated

00:03:13.760 a revered place. Many have been prosecuted, by the way, and that's good. That's good.

00:03:18.740 But for the record, not a single one has been charged with insurrection because this wasn't one.

00:03:23.960 This wasn't one. Don't you think they would have charged it if they had it? They would have,

00:03:27.900 trust me. You don't have to take my word for it. This is what the FBI, the FBI has concluded

00:03:32.740 they've been investigating this for a year. This is how Reuters wrote up its read of their

00:03:37.740 report. Quote, 90 to 95 percent of these, the people who were involved on January 6th,

00:03:43.200 are one-off cases, citing a former law, senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the

00:03:48.060 investigation. Then you have 5 percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely

00:03:53.040 organized, but there was no grand scheme to storm the Capitol and take hostages.

00:03:57.580 Right. We know that. The New York Times podcast, The Daily, reported the same this week. I mean,

00:04:04.080 it's fact. They reported the same this week. They actually reenacted, it was pretty interesting,

00:04:09.180 an FBI interview with one of the rioters. See, there wasn't an audio, it was only a written

00:04:14.020 transcript. So they actually admitted to hiring a voice actor, voice actors, to reenact the FBI

00:04:20.040 interview with one of these guys, a self-described lifelong Democrat, who described how he just kind of

00:04:27.580 and got caught up in what he called the herd mentality. 1.00

00:04:31.140 Stupid me. I've gone through this a million times in my mind as to what I was doing there 1.00

00:04:35.820 and why what I was doing. This, this word, this, this term, herd mentality,

00:04:42.040 is the only thing that I could say or relate to. It is just, everyone was kind of, you know,

00:04:50.300 the gate was open and all the cattle went out.

00:04:53.020 Now, that's why the crimes charged that day are virtually all trespass or some other petty crime.

00:04:59.520 Those who hurt cops are facing worse and that's good. But the media and Democrats treating this

00:05:04.180 like it's another 9-11 is wrong. No one other than Trump supporter Ashley Babbitt was killed that day.

00:05:10.460 Some people died of natural causes. And the Democrats, including Biden, including President

00:05:15.580 Biden, continue to tout the case of Officer Brian Sicknick as another example of an example of a cop

00:05:21.860 being killed by the rioters. But it's not true. He was not killed by rioters that day or any other.

00:05:27.400 He died of natural causes as well. Something the media continues to try to ignore or actively

00:05:33.020 misrepresent. I, for one, am sick of the misrepresentations. It was what it was.

00:05:39.100 It does not deserve a full day of vigils and moments of silence and comparisons to 9-11.

00:05:46.020 I think those of us who knew people who died on 9-11 or who lived through it ourselves are really kind

00:05:52.340 of sick of that. It's disrespectful to the families. Go read Deb Burlingame in the Wall Street Journal if

00:05:58.140 you don't believe me. Her brother was captaining the flight that crashed into the Pentagon and she

00:06:03.360 doesn't want to hear this talk anymore. They want to change the subject from what's happening with

00:06:11.240 COVID, what's happening with crime, what's happening coast to coast in this country when it comes to

00:06:16.900 our economy, the supply chain crisis, inflation and so on. And the cable nets want to inflate

00:06:23.420 their ratings. Have you seen the numbers for CNN and MSNBC? They're at record lows and they were at

00:06:31.460 record highs when they covered January 6th. It was right up their alley. It confirmed all their darkest

00:06:36.840 beliefs about all Trump supporters and all Republicans. And now a chance to relive it

00:06:41.540 is too delicious for them to ignore. That's what's happening. That's what's happening as you watch TV

00:06:47.800 and pick up your morning paper and see the ubiquitous coverage of this. Now the Democrats are even talking

00:06:53.340 about trying to make this into a primetime Watergate like hearing, openly talking about what the ratings

00:06:59.420 for that would be. They want their moment in the sun. They want to look like little government watchdogs

00:07:06.880 are going to hold the awful people to account. Never mind all of the stories that they have memory

00:07:12.180 hold, right? When it comes to the Black Lives Matters riots that happened that killed a lot of cops whose

00:07:18.560 names will not be mentioned, right? What happened in the Midwest in the wake of the Kyle Rittenhouse

00:07:24.940 verdict? When when this man mowed down a lot of innocent people? No, we don't get to talk about

00:07:30.160 that. And I could go on. Joining me now to discuss it all back by popular demand, by the way, because

00:07:36.720 we've had so much fun with them during their last appearances, the hosts of the Ruthless podcast,

00:07:42.200 which you must must listen to if you don't. They're great. Michael Duncan, Josh Holmes, and the man known to

00:07:48.080 his Twitter quote minions as comfortably smug, smug as we call him. He told us last time he hides his

00:07:53.700 identity so he doesn't have to deal with upset lefties all the time. You guys. So do I have it

00:07:59.820 right? I mean, this is no one's defending January 6th, but the treating of this like it's the anniversary

00:08:06.740 of 9-11 to me is disgusting. Yeah. I mean, look, your monologue was like a batting practice.

00:08:13.200 Yeah, it's dead on. I mean, I feel like you hit all of the high marks. I mean, no question about it.

00:08:18.520 The thing is, if you have any question about the way that these are these guys are handling this,

00:08:22.920 turn on CNN for like one second and look at the chyron, right? I don't care what time a day today 0.96

00:08:27.880 you do that. It'll tell you everything about how they view this. And you said it in your monologue.

00:08:33.040 This is a day that they had the highest ratings that they've ever had. And that's what they're

00:08:37.420 trying to do. They're trying to squeeze more blood out of that stone. Unfortunately, it comes at the

00:08:42.380 cost of an incredible misrepresentation about what we ought to be feeling and thinking about today.

00:08:47.740 Right. It's the, when you go back and look, I actually had my team pull the ratings and they

00:08:55.200 celebrated, I mean, completely, you know, kind of gross. They celebrated their high ratings on

00:09:00.740 January 6th, right after, which was gross. But if you look at sort of, I'm trying to pull up my email

00:09:06.940 of the actual ratings that they've been enjoying lately. They literally at record lows. I'll tell you

00:09:12.380 guys, if I got anything near these ratings, I would have been fired. The Fox News would have fired my

00:09:16.940 ass. I would have been embarrassed to put these numbers on the board, but they're down at like, 0.99

00:09:22.000 they're not even at 600,000 in the overall, in the overall, are you kidding me? I used to get 600,000

00:09:27.240 in the demo, 25 to 54. This is pre-Trump when you actually had to work for your ratings.

00:09:32.500 And so they're salivating at the prospect of good numbers.

00:09:38.000 It's shameless. It's absolutely shameless on the part of the media to try to pump their ratings.

00:09:42.220 It's shameless of Kamala Harris to sit there now and she's suddenly going to be tough on crime again 1.00

00:09:47.680 when during that summer of violence and rioting across the country where they're burning down

00:09:52.740 police stations in Minnesota, and she's promoting a bail fund for violent rioters. Those are people

00:09:58.700 who got out of jail because of the promotion of Kamala Harris or this bail fund, and then they

00:10:05.000 re-offend it, violently hurt people, attacked people. And so that wasn't an insurrection.

00:10:12.180 Across the country. And now she's going to sit there now and say, oh, well, you know,

00:10:16.960 January 6th is Pearl Harbor. My grandfather fought in World War II. God rest his soul,

00:10:22.200 but I'm sure he'd be offended by that characterization. Not the same thing.

00:10:26.500 And I think it's absolutely important that Kamala Harris be called out for that is there's a lot of

00:10:32.660 younger folks who've now come of age who have no memory of September 11th. They don't remember what

00:10:38.740 that day felt like, the absolute horror of that day, of how that day went on and on. We were looking

00:10:46.580 for survivors in the rubble. That's a great point. The number kept going up. That is collective trauma

00:10:52.660 for a country. Unbelievable. That many people who were murdered. And to ever compare a moment like

00:10:59.180 that. And I think it's important that we let people know that the comparison between January 6th and

00:11:06.600 September 11th is so not just absurd, but obscene. And I would imagine, you know, folks who were

00:11:14.260 alive during Pearl Harbor feel the same way. Like, I would be shocked to compare a day when we had

00:11:20.840 so many American soldiers murdered. The Statuary Hall, for example, on Capitol Hill right now is full

00:11:27.840 of cameras. And this is going to be, you know, where where they reflect on January 6th, a year later.

00:11:34.440 Yeah, Megan, I don't know if you saw this. They had a picture out this morning of Statuary Hall. I know,

00:11:39.660 you know, you've covered State of the Unions and you know how that's kind of the place where all the

00:11:43.440 cameras assemble for no other time other than a State of the Union. You look at that thing today,

00:11:49.360 it looks like a State of the Union. It's got a full CNN set in the damn thing. What's the purpose 0.99

00:11:54.160 of this? I mean, what? Why are they trying to elevate? And all those people, those people in

00:11:58.940 Statuary Hall, those Democrats who are going to sit there and compare January 6th to 9-11 or to Pearl

00:12:04.920 Harbor. When the riots were going on in the summer with BLM in 2020, they were in Statuary Hall,

00:12:12.500 kneeling in Kenty cloths, doing nothing, stopping nothing. There were 2,000 officers who were

00:12:18.780 grievously injured and hurt in those riots that summer. And no one is talking about what

00:12:24.220 they go through. No one is talking about so many small businesses across this country were burned

00:12:28.380 down. And back to what you were saying earlier, Megan, about COVID and, you know, how frustrated

00:12:33.480 people are. Go back to 2020. That summer, you had people locked in their homes and you had people

00:12:39.720 in the medical establishment saying, you know what? It's actually okay. It's okay to go out into the

00:12:44.480 streets and aid these people who are burning down American cities because BLM is more important 0.89

00:12:50.080 than fighting COVID. The people who are locking in your home. So, so people are experiencing that

00:12:55.600 cognitive dissonance in real time. And of course they got frustrated, right?

00:13:00.420 Yeah, no, exactly. And it's the same thing to me as like Anthony Fauci wanting people to lose their

00:13:04.720 jobs if they don't get a vaccine, which we know doesn't even prevent COVID while he's raking in 400

00:13:09.960 plus thousand dollars a year. So he wants you fired. He wants firefighters fired and nurses

00:13:14.680 fired and doctors fired. And he's going to sit there collecting his $400,000 a year judging everyone

00:13:21.260 for not getting the vaccine, even if they've had natural community immunity. The, the, the incongruity,

00:13:27.700 right? And the out of touch nature of the, of our so-called leaders is infuriating. The irregular

00:13:33.420 American doesn't give a damn about marking the anniversary of January 6th. They don't care only 1.00

00:13:39.940 the most partisan, hardcore leftists want to spend this day reflecting on the morons who painted 1.00

00:13:46.480 their faces and went inside and took a dump inside of the Capitol. I think, I think that's a great 1.00

00:13:52.840 point. I think that also says a lot of why this administration is so fixated on making today an

00:13:58.600 event is if you look at the facts, what has Joe Biden's first year in office been marked by? You saw an

00:14:04.820 absolute horrific disaster in Afghanistan where people are dying, falling off of planes, trying 0.54

00:14:10.100 to escape because he had no plan, no idea what he was doing there. You're looking right now in this

00:14:15.400 country where we're hitting record cases of Corona virus, the guy who was elected saying he's going

00:14:19.280 to shut down the virus. He was given vaccines, right? He was already given a plan. We already knew

00:14:24.120 what was going on. And there are more people who have died under his watch than under president Trump,

00:14:29.260 who didn't have a vaccine, who put into place a program to develop vaccines. And Joe Biden, of

00:14:34.520 course, he doesn't want to talk about that. He doesn't want to talk about how prices at the

00:14:38.160 grocery store are expensive, how we have supply chain issues in this country. I mean, he sounded

00:14:42.860 like Marie Antoinette the other day when he was like, oh, hamburger costs $5 a pound. Let him eat

00:14:47.480 hamburger. He didn't care. So what they have to do is change the focus because everyday Americans,

00:14:53.140 they're looking around and they're seeing we have a lot of problems. That's why his approval rating

00:14:57.540 is in the dumpster. So they can't talk about anything about all of this is it's not working

00:15:03.060 like it's not working at all. Right. I mean, we had an election in Virginia where the former

00:15:08.360 governor, McAuliffe, tried to run against Glenn Youngkin on exactly this issue on exactly the

00:15:13.460 sort of Trump, Trump, Trump, January 6th. Republicans are evil. And people were like, you know what? 0.98

00:15:18.220 My kids can't go to school and I can't pay for groceries. I'm a little bit more, a little

00:15:22.160 bit more interested in that, you know, and then. Right. But you expand it out and it looks

00:15:26.680 like almost everything that smug just went through has been a disaster for this administration

00:15:31.480 and they actually don't have a hook anywhere else. I mean, you look at the congressional

00:15:34.920 schedule. Schumer actually this week made the argument that because of January 6th,

00:15:41.300 we should be passing a federal takeover of our elections. I don't know if you remember the

00:15:47.560 underpants gnome from South Park. It's like, here's one thing, here's another. And somehow

00:15:51.280 they come together. I don't know how to make sense of any of that. But the only thing that

00:15:55.820 they've got, the only thing that they've got is this argument on January 6th and previous

00:16:01.820 administration policies. And it's just disgusting. Nobody's buying it.

00:16:05.940 You make a good point, Smug, about Afghanistan because it's like, oh, OK, so when we get to 1.00

00:16:10.200 August of this year, are we going to take a moment? Are we going to spend the day having

00:16:13.860 vigils and thinking back and praying on the 13 Marines who are needlessly killed?

00:16:18.660 Exactly. What a great point. How about them? Because right now,

00:16:22.100 on January 6th, it was Ashley Babbitt, who was a Trump supporter, who was shot

00:16:25.420 by a cop under sort of disturbing circumstances all around, to be perfectly honest. And she's

00:16:33.300 the only one who was actually killed that day as a result of the rioting, other than the folks who

00:16:38.060 died, had heart attacks and so on. So, yeah. OK, let's see. Do you want to stop and commemorate

00:16:43.120 every big moment in which people have died? We can do that for all the hundreds of thousands

00:16:47.100 who have died from covid under Joe Biden's watch. Let's do that. When are we going to do that?

00:16:51.180 And you talk about Kamala Harris. Yes, she went. She went and she sat with the with Jacob Blake,

00:16:57.400 who had resisted arrest, who had digitally raped his girlfriend, who had endangered a cop,

00:17:02.840 a couple of cops, not to mention his children and his own. She went and sat with him because he got 0.83

00:17:06.900 shot by a police officer. Did she go see the the people in Waukesha who the families of those who

00:17:12.480 were killed by that man who got into the car and mowed them down? No, she didn't. Did she mention

00:17:17.620 any of them when she took the microphone? It's like the situational ethics. Right. We care about

00:17:22.660 this group, but we don't care about that. And why? Because they only exploit the ones that help them

00:17:27.120 politically. It's the most cynical thing ever. And I go. And that's so right on. The other night,

00:17:34.220 actually, I was watching a documentary about Afghanistan, the Taliban takeover after Joe Biden's

00:17:39.780 just absolute disaster of a mess over there. And I think it's important that folks remember

00:17:45.920 how that happened. I know we were all horrified, but this administration has done everything they

00:17:50.640 can to try to change the subject. They don't want anyone to remember that we had we had 13 soldiers

00:17:56.720 killed. They were needlessly murdered. We gave up Bagram Air Force. Yeah. His decision making led to

00:18:02.920 their deaths. And his only answer was to drone strike a van full of kids. Right. That's all he's 0.91

00:18:09.580 accomplished. Like the fact that that lowered the world's America's standing in the eyes of the

00:18:15.860 world so much that it's no coincidence you're seeing issues around the world where China's

00:18:20.780 been emboldened in terms of looking towards Taiwan and Russia and Russia's Ukraine because everyone

00:18:25.540 knows globally America's standing has gone down significantly. And that's why the Biden administration

00:18:31.340 wants to change the subject. That's why they want to talk about anything except their accomplishments,

00:18:35.340 because there haven't been any. Right. It's only been disasters. Mm hmm. It's is a chance to change

00:18:40.280 the subject. And as the Democrat leadership goes, so goes CNN and MSNBC and all of the other

00:18:46.880 mainstream channels. You know, they're like, yes, I don't even know if they are genuine, genuinely as

00:18:53.120 horrified as they say they are in addition to seeing a ratings opportunity or if it's just pure

00:18:59.580 commercial opportunity. Like, I genuinely don't know if they believe what they say when they

00:19:03.680 compare it to nine eleven. I saw a tweet that was resurfaced recently from January 7th of last year

00:19:10.140 where CNN, their comms shop, tweeted up yesterday was our highest ratings day ever. Yeah, exactly.

00:19:16.260 Which is a hundred percent. That's that's the motivate. Like, can you imagine if Fox News had

00:19:21.540 done that on nine twelve two thousand one? Can you imagine the insensitive if this really were a Pearl

00:19:29.380 Harbor, if this really were a nine eleven CNN, even their dumbest public publicity person? 0.88

00:19:35.560 And there's a lot to choose from there. Even their dumbest would know not to do that. They knew it 0.99

00:19:42.000 wasn't that bad. It was not. Listen, I'm not trying to downplay it, but I'm actually kind of sick of

00:19:47.060 people having to say that, too. You know what I mean? Like, I listen to a lot of even conservative

00:19:51.500 podcasts. No, no, no one's been harder on January 6th than I have. And, you know, I would. It's like,

00:19:57.320 all right, could you just so I can get to the point, you know, like they're afraid of getting

00:20:02.160 criticized by the mainstream or by the Democrats for like not being sufficiently outraged about

00:20:07.860 January 6th. Just stop it. Stop pandering to these people. You'll never be outraged enough to

00:20:13.380 satisfy them. That's that's that's the way it is. And that's the way it's always been, Megan. So,

00:20:17.380 you know, I feel like the way that we've dealt with it at Ruthless is we addressed it and we said

00:20:22.620 any time the media tries to bait you into a conversation longer about January 6th is a day

00:20:27.960 that you're not winning. The fact that Joe Biden has zero accomplishments. Right. Let's talk about

00:20:33.100 that. Let's talk about it every day until the midterms, because I think if we do that, we're

00:20:37.040 going to have historic red wave gains. The reason that Joe Biden's approval rating is at an all time

00:20:42.760 low is not because of January 6th is because his administration has shown that they are they are

00:20:47.320 way in over their heads. They have no idea what they're doing. They're going from disaster

00:20:51.400 after disaster. The pandemic has gotten worse under his watch when he was elected supposedly to to end

00:20:57.380 the pandemic. And we might not even be at the bottom of it because now you finally have the

00:21:01.980 Northeast, the Acela corridor, all of these places who for the last, you know, two years, you know,

00:21:07.660 thought covid only happened to those rubes in the south, those MAGA Trump people. That's right.

00:21:12.780 They're getting Omicron. And so so now they have to change their entire worldview on the issue.

00:21:18.420 Right. And they're trying to get tests. Right. And they're trying to get monoclonal antibodies

00:21:22.900 and they can't. The other day. So Chris Eliza from CNN puts out this tweet where he was like,

00:21:28.200 I'm stunned for so long. It felt like, you know, people who got covid, it was a moral failure

00:21:33.420 on their part for getting covid. When we did everything right and we get covid. It's like

00:21:38.220 this is your part of the media arm, which is pushing this messaging, trying to other,

00:21:43.220 you know, folks who are suffering. And it's just for their own purpose, for the Dems covering,

00:21:48.380 for the failures of this administration. You put your finger on it, Megan, when you said

00:21:51.880 selective ethics. Right. They have very, very situational ethics policy when it applies to

00:21:59.300 anything and everything that they care about, everything from the crime that they choose

00:22:03.240 to prosecute to the issues that they seek to highlight to the constituencies that they seek

00:22:08.900 to other, as Smug just said. And we have spent the last 12 months now basically blaming the South

00:22:15.580 for the rise of the coronavirus. And he's still, by the way, two days ago, the Washington Post fronted

00:22:20.260 another piece about the Southeast and coronavirus. I was like, you want to walk outside your door

00:22:25.280 at the Washington Post? I mean, every can't this place grounded in Corona and they're pointing down

00:22:30.440 in Georgia and Florida. I mean, you got to be kidding me. Yeah. Per capita, D.C. is worse than any

00:22:34.880 country on earth in terms of cases. And the Washington Post is talking about the Southeast.

00:22:39.540 They can't. They can't let go. It's just like how everything is still Trump's fault. I mean,

00:22:43.320 even before January 6th, you know, they'd find a way to lead the news with Trump. What do you think

00:22:47.220 of Trump? Could Trump come back? And if Trump doesn't necessarily work, then it's Tucker Carlson.

00:22:52.160 What? Let's talk about somebody who rates. All right, wait, I want to let me pause it there so I can

00:22:59.040 squeeze in a quick break. And then back, we're going to talk about 350,000 students in our nation's

00:23:06.940 third largest school system sitting at home after school was canceled again today. Thanks to,

00:23:14.660 and this is saying something, the most selfish teachers union in the country. That's next.

00:23:20.880 So they're back at it in Chicago, guys. Can you believe, can we just start? I didn't get to play

00:23:32.380 it yesterday. And whenever I can play it, I want to play it. I don't know, Debbie, do we have it?

00:23:35.960 The dancers? All right, she's going to pull it over. She's going to pull it over. Because 1.00

00:23:40.880 the same teachers union, all right, the same group of teachers who told us they could not teach last

00:23:46.360 last year. And then they were found down, like out of town. They left Chicago and they went

00:23:51.980 next to pools. Oh, this is the one lady. Okay. Sarah Chambers, that was her name. She's actually

00:23:57.680 on the executive board of the Chicago's teacher union. And last year, this is the same teachers

00:24:02.620 union that's shutting down school now for 350,000 kids. Last year, she urged even special education 0.65

00:24:08.480 teachers to refuse to return to work. Screw those disabled children, because it would be unsafe for her 1.00

00:24:13.920 and for the other teachers. Then just hours after stating that, she was busted for vacationing 0.86

00:24:19.400 after posting a photo on Instagram of a pool in Puerto Rico, captioned, spending the last day of

00:24:25.520 2020 by the poolside. Too dangerous to work in person, but not too dangerous to be poolside. Yeah,

00:24:33.240 she's still part of Chicago's union board. And that helps explain why you've got, you know,

00:24:40.080 pushing on half a million kids sitting their asses at home in Illinois instead of in school 0.94

00:24:45.700 learning where they should be because these teachers refuse to teach. 0.98

00:24:53.500 We've spent a lot of time on Ruthless on this topic over the last year for obvious reasons.

00:24:58.120 Our listeners are intensely interested in their kids being educated, as I'm sure every parent in

00:25:02.320 America is. But this is kind of the worst of this entitlement mentality union activism that we've

00:25:10.060 seen anywhere in the country. Chicago, not surprisingly, is the worst here. But if you think about the

00:25:15.920 amount of money that the federal government, that Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and the rest of them said

00:25:21.660 that they were allocating in that first totally partisan COVID package to reopen our schools. I mean,

00:25:28.480 we're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars. You could have rebuilt every school in America,

00:25:34.180 right? None of it apparently has any impact on the teachers whatsoever, right? I mean, somehow,

00:25:40.360 I don't know where the money went. We did a segment actually on today's show about how this was finding

00:25:47.560 its way into critical race theory consultants and other things. But it certainly isn't going to make

00:25:53.660 sure that the kids go back to school. It is one of the biggest outrages of a mountain of outrages that

00:25:59.600 we've had with this administration. I mean, we like the report on today's show that we had is millions

00:26:04.820 have been given to critical race theory consultants. When so much so much money was given to these schools

00:26:10.600 to reopen, they could have like space stations teaching our kids. But instead, this is what they

00:26:15.320 spent their money on. And now they're just refused to teach. It's like it's like a robbery. They took the

00:26:19.540 money in rent. I mean, the most offensive thing to me is that you had the teachers unions retconning

00:26:26.380 what they did, you know, during 2020 on COVID and closing our schools and making sure our kids don't

00:26:34.060 learn. And there was just the Randy... Weingarten. Weingarten. Yep. Yeah. Just a month ago in New York,

00:26:40.020 there was a profile about, oh, how actually, you know, she fought the hardest to keep kids in school,

00:26:45.580 which of course is bull, absolute bull. And now we see, you know, the proof here in Chicago.

00:26:51.880 I think the one thing people have to remember is that these school closures and virtual schooling

00:26:58.500 hurts like black and brown and poor kids the most. Oh, absolutely. It is the most devastating to their

00:27:05.600 learning experience. And so the idea that a Democratic Party would hurt inner city kids

00:27:12.840 is just offensive. Well, again, it goes back to the situational ethics. Right. Right. Right. In this

00:27:19.320 situation, the union is the friend. More important. Right. The people we gave hundreds of billions of

00:27:24.200 dollars saying schools have never been safe. We got to change everything. But let me ask you all this.

00:27:28.880 Let me ask you, is that true? Because in this situation, it's unusual and it's awesome. But Mayor

00:27:35.020 Lori Lightfoot, who's a Democrat, who's, you know, she's on the opposite side of like the cops and the 1.00

00:27:39.880 crime and the CRT and all that. But on this issue, she's been great. And she's like, get your asses

00:27:45.220 back in there. Here's a quote. Let me just read you what she says. She says, if you care about our 0.99

00:27:49.500 students, if you care about our families as we do, we will not relent. Enough is enough. We're

00:27:53.240 standing firm. We're going to fight to get our kids back to in-person learning, period, full stop.

00:28:00.780 And yet you've got the teachers. And by the way, I have them and they're dancing now. This is their

00:28:04.120 protest last year trying to prove to us why they couldn't teach. Here they are. Stand by. Watch.

00:28:09.880 Make it make sense. It's a good move.

00:28:15.640 Incredible. Oh my God, you guys. Safety is essential. I can't. Keep our students and our teachers safe.

00:28:30.440 I'm getting secondhand embarrassment. Yes, same. Okay, I'm sorry, but if you're not watching the

00:28:35.740 show on YouTube, you've got to go to YouTube.com and watch this later. You must. They're looking

00:28:41.660 at Mayor Lightfoot saying, it's not safe. These are young, able-bodied people, by the way.

00:28:47.040 Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you why. And it's not because Mayor Lightfoot has just become a

00:28:53.120 closet conservative. The politics are written all over this thing. We have seen an uprising across

00:29:00.380 this country at the localist of local levels, all the way up to the federal level of parents

00:29:05.660 saying, the hell with you. The hell with your keeping our kids at home, not teaching. They're

00:29:12.920 literally watching their kids' futures be stolen from them by these unions. And now they're voting,

00:29:20.520 right? I mean, we said, damn near won the New Jersey governorship. 0.94

00:29:23.560 And I think it's important to note, especially in the case of Lightfoot, is you saw in the days

00:29:30.180 after Glenn Youngkin won in Virginia where Dems all of a sudden just started having comments about

00:29:35.220 the crime spree in this country where they're like, you know what? Maybe something should be

00:29:39.000 done about crime when the same elected officials, one of those same Dems were pushing defund the

00:29:43.960 police. Right. We're trying to take apart the systemically racist justice system that we have

00:29:49.360 in this country and we can't have police out on the streets. So I don't think we should be happy

00:29:54.420 that they've changed their minds. I think what's important is accountability. You have to hold these

00:29:58.120 people accountable. They were part of the problem. There's a reason that police face such a tough

00:30:02.900 situation in this country where the NYPD cannot meet their numbers for how many police officers they

00:30:07.580 need because folks are retiring early. No one is applying because who would want to be in that

00:30:12.320 situation? You've had New York police officers who were killed. They were assassinated sitting in their

00:30:17.400 patrol car because of this environment that Dems have created. This pandemic of crime which is

00:30:22.440 evocated. And all teachers being smeared with the decisions that Chicago is using too is I think

00:30:28.380 completely ridiculous. I'd like to extrapolate out. Imagine for those teachers who think that this is 0.60

00:30:32.960 too dangerous for them to teach our children. I'd like for them to just sort of picture a world where

00:30:38.300 people who pick up your garbage have that same point of view. People who deliver your packages

00:30:44.240 have that same point of view. The grocers have that same. In fact, the people who pack the meat

00:30:49.280 and send the and send the vegetables and get everything to you that you can freaking survive

00:30:54.120 for crying out loud. What if those people had that same point of view that they simply couldn't leave

00:30:58.700 their home unless they were going to go on a horribly embarrassing dancing trip in Florida?

00:31:03.500 I mean, what if? What if the guy at the liquor store suddenly said, I'm not doing it?

00:31:09.060 Well, then we'd all be going to work. Ruthless would be in big trouble.

00:31:12.800 The program would cease to exist, man. The variety program. No, that's a bridge too far. We don't

00:31:19.400 need to imagine that. And to your point, it's not all teachers. It's like some losers and then the

00:31:25.680 union that decides we're just not doing it. And there was a guy on Tucker Carlson's show last night 0.83

00:31:30.420 who he's sick and he wants to teach. He wants to spend his remaining time teaching children. I

00:31:37.500 think we pulled the soundbite. Here he is. Take a listen.

00:31:41.800 I joined the Chicago Public Schools as a teacher, first and foremost as a teacher. And my role,

00:31:48.660 I believe my role should be inside the classroom with my students. Should not be in the picket line.

00:31:54.780 I did not join CPS to be a union member, first and foremost, to be a teacher. And secondly,

00:32:02.020 I believe that there are ways to fight City Hall. You don't dangle the plight of the kids

00:32:09.040 in the middle of the fight just to seek your demands.

00:32:13.220 It's a good reminder, right? Because it's like you see these unions and you're like,

00:32:18.840 God, they're awful. And then you drop your own kid off at school. Thank God we're in a position

00:32:22.440 where all three of ours are going. And we love our teachers. They're amazing. They haven't missed a

00:32:26.660 day. They wouldn't miss a day. Yep. And they try to find ways to make it work, right? I mean,

00:32:32.100 that's the difference between a true educator and somebody who's trying to get out of their job.

00:32:36.200 And fortunately, I think around this country, you've got a lot of people who got into teaching for the

00:32:40.340 right reasons and they're trying to make it work and their communities are helping them, right?

00:32:44.080 I mean, that's the other thing that we found is that all politics got really local in a hurry

00:32:48.400 with coronavirus, right? And when they're shutting down businesses and the federal government

00:32:52.360 telling you what's essential and what's not, and whether your kids can go to school and what's not,

00:32:57.260 like you begin to band together at some level. And I think that's been helpful in terms of us

00:33:02.120 understanding what the curriculum is in these schools, by the way.

00:33:05.800 Right. I mean, we wouldn't even know about critical race theory if it wasn't for coronavirus.

00:33:10.340 Very true. The last thing that they want is for us to get another peek inside the classroom

00:33:14.320 because I guarantee you they haven't stopped that nonsense and they need to keep us out of there,

00:33:18.580 at least through November of 22. You know, the American people will react the same. All right.

00:33:22.740 Meanwhile, the mass craziness continues. And can I just show you what my old friends at NBC

00:33:28.540 are now suggesting you do when it comes to masking? This is a clip from the Today Show Soundbite 6.

00:33:35.160 They go all the way over your head. Not the most comfortable, but very, very snug. Not a lot of

00:33:42.100 air is getting in between the sides of my cheeks or the tops of my cheeks. He says, obviously,

00:33:46.360 the KN95 and N95 are the most effective, but it can be really hard to find them in small kid sizes

00:33:51.180 and also to keep them on your kids all day. They're not the most comfortable. So the second best option

00:33:56.580 is to make sure you have a kid's size surgical mask and you want to layer the cloth mask over

00:34:02.820 that mask. So the mask goes on first and then the cloth mask.

00:34:07.480 I got a lot easier way for these experts to give this recommendation. Just hold your breath,

00:34:12.240 ladies. Just hold it. Just hold your breath. Stop with the breathing. 1.00

00:34:14.640 Corona. I promise you won't get Corona. Just hold it until you pass out. I mean,

00:34:18.480 how dystopian, right? Like how dystopian. We're like, all right, well,

00:34:21.600 now we got the perfect solution to this. We got more kid size masks and put them in two

00:34:26.420 and, you know, just, it's just so much performative theater in this. We have known.

00:34:31.800 It's like, tell me you've never been around small children. Right.

00:34:33.820 Tell me you've been. Right. And we've been like, oh, your kid will wear this all day long.

00:34:37.700 Yeah. Yeah. My two, my two year old, I have a two and a half year old. My two and a half

00:34:40.520 year old is going to wear two masks, let alone one. And we know from the science as the liberals who say

00:34:45.280 they want us to trust the science and follow the science that COVID isn't as dangerous to little kids.

00:34:51.100 And along those lines, I think it's very important. We've seen a ton of polling that's

00:34:55.100 come out about viewpoints for what COVID is like bipartisan lines. And they polled Democrats and 50

00:35:03.660 percent of Democrats think that if you contract COVID, you're going to the emergency room.

00:35:08.040 Like this is like, where has this delusion come from? And the fact that it continues to be fostered

00:35:15.680 that like it's a death sentence. And only recently they're having to change that because Omicron is

00:35:20.260 so transmissible that it's no longer something that they can blame as a moral failure of these

00:35:24.800 groups. It's becoming the security with the kids, especially, which I think is the most egregious

00:35:29.740 thing in all of this. It's becoming part. Remember the shoe bomber on the airplane? And then we

00:35:34.400 suddenly had to take off our shoes everywhere. TSA. Right. Right. And now the security theater

00:35:40.260 of COVID is let's double mask the kids who are based on the statistics, not going to be hospitalized

00:35:47.020 and not die from. Yeah. Right. Oh, that's perfect. Right. It's just obscene. It's just psychosis that

00:35:51.540 we're dealing with. There was a there was a New York Times reporter. I'm trying to find it here. But

00:35:56.960 yeah. National education reporter for the New York Times, Dana Goldstein, who tweeted out

00:36:01.160 our pre-K wants kids. OK, first of all, leave our pre-K wants kids in KN95 masks. 0.78

00:36:10.620 My four year old has a tiny face and everywhere I am checking is sold out. Help links. And Bethany

00:36:20.160 Mandel, who you guys know, she's great. She responded. Every four year old has a tiny face 0.63

00:36:27.380 that shouldn't be in a medical grade mask or any mask. And she goes on from there. But 0.99

00:36:33.420 right. Like, yes, there's a reason you can't find those because no one in their right mind

00:36:37.500 thought of putting them on little children to prevent them from getting COVID.

00:36:41.460 And that's another thing is that the United States is the only Western country that's requiring

00:36:47.940 children to be masked. This is not happening in France. No other country has a position in place

00:36:53.980 that three year olds should be masked. And more recently, I saw in New York City, you had kids

00:37:00.000 out in 34 degree weather eating their lunch, sitting on the floor outside. We're committing

00:37:05.380 child abuse. That's a virtue signal right now. That's what's happening in this country.

00:37:09.360 Well, Megan, we talked with several months back. I know somebody you've had on as well. Dr.

00:37:13.980 Marty McCary, who was talking about sort of the ancillary problems that you create with this

00:37:20.020 mask. Even if you're trying to solve the problem of let's just let's hypothetically suggest that it

00:37:25.440 works. It doesn't. We already know. Let's say it doesn't. The ancillary problem that you have with

00:37:31.080 emotional development with children, not being able to read their friends faces, not being able

00:37:35.280 to understand when their teachers are happy, angry, want them to try harder at something. There's no

00:37:42.060 emotional IQ development whatsoever. And so, like, look, the problem that you are creating

00:37:46.840 in many, many ways is a thousand times worse than any problem that you sought to solve in the first

00:37:54.100 place. And I don't understand, like, from my standpoint as a parent with two young boys,

00:37:58.720 like, it's not difficult to understand. Just take a step back and look at it. And you're like,

00:38:02.260 oh, yeah, logically, that makes total sense. These idiots can't do that. 1.00

00:38:05.900 Mm hmm. No, it's we're in a situation now where if you can get past the teachers union 1.00

00:38:10.220 and actually get the doors of your school open, then you get there and you're behind

00:38:15.620 plexiglass and you're six feet away from everyone there. And you're now going to have to wear double

00:38:21.100 masks or a KN95 mask. And then you will be sit and told that you're terrible because of your skin

00:38:27.420 color if you happen to be white or incapable of achieving success on your own if you happen to be 1.00

00:38:33.180 black. That's the state of America's education system right now. Also, I read a really interesting 0.98

00:38:39.080 article recently about those KN95 masks where Amazon, other retailers have been flooded with

00:38:45.660 these fake bootleg masks, which are manufactured in China, which is the country whose government

00:38:51.280 covered up this disease at the global pandemic. Every country on earth has to deal with the

00:38:55.360 cover up to begin with. The money's going right back. Unbelievable. Can I tell you something?

00:38:59.480 I didn't know the difference between the N95 and the KN95. I just looked it up. Do you have

00:39:03.840 you guys do you guys know like the KN95 is a Korean manufactured masks, which have not passed 0.79

00:39:11.560 the same U.S. like NIOSH testing. But they say that the fit on the KN95, they say that the fit on

00:39:20.360 the KN95 is it has to be built in like you might not get as good a fit, I guess, on the N95. I don't

00:39:24.920 know. But it like there are people who are studying this and who are actually ordering KN95s over the N95s

00:39:31.000 because they think they're going to get some extra layer of protection, like as if the N95 wouldn't

00:39:35.400 be good enough for you and your child. And that brings me to do we have Nicole Wallace? Do we have

00:39:40.040 do we have that? Oh, my favorite soundbite of the of the week. This will be great. Favorite soundbite

00:39:44.680 of the week. And just listen. I'm a Fauci groupie. I'm a thrice vaccinated mask adherent. I buy KN95 masks

00:39:54.020 by the, you know, caseload. They're in every pocket. I wear them everywhere except when I sit down

00:39:59.280 and I am certain that this is not a variant I can outrun.

00:40:06.360 OK, I love the except when I sit down because COVID only affects the standards. That's a long

00:40:11.980 known truth. Like the policy in a restaurant where you wear the mask until you get to the

00:40:18.500 table and sit next to people and then you take it off. Thank God I'm sitting again. It can't get me.

00:40:23.200 It is an incredible it's an incredible it's a perfect example of the liberal psychosis that

00:40:29.880 COVID has created that she feels like she has to spend a full minute with a wind up explaining

00:40:35.860 all of her virtue of how she did all the right things. Yeah. Right. Like I was one of the good

00:40:40.600 ones. I'm not one of these rubes in the South. Right. Like we have all been going through the same

00:40:44.380 thing for two years together. We were all in this together. Right. Oh, we're on it together.

00:40:49.960 She feels betrayed when. Right. Right. She's betrayed by the violent virus. She was very loyal

00:40:55.100 to the Fauci, you know, mandates and so on. And this is bullshit because she she she's been betrayed 0.98

00:41:00.740 by COVID. My favorite one lately, CDC last week came out or I think it was just a few days ago. They 0.99

00:41:06.940 came out with this new guidance that you can't if you get the the Omicron wire, you can't take the

00:41:11.820 the PCR test. You got to go back to the antigen test. But for the last nine months, you couldn't

00:41:16.620 take the antigen test. You could only really diagnose things with the PCR. Is there a single

00:41:21.800 thing in all of this discussion since the very beginning of February 2020 that hasn't either

00:41:27.140 been reversed or substantially changed in terms of its guidance? Any. Well, I remember the World

00:41:32.120 Health Organization was in February 2020 told us that COVID-19 can't be transmitted human. Yeah,

00:41:37.220 wasn't transmitted human to human. Right. And then the CDC. This is recently we talked

00:41:41.720 about this on an episode of Ruthless recently. CDC finally comes out and says, you know, I mean,

00:41:47.560 basically we wanted when we went with lockdowns, we went with the amount of time we thought you

00:41:52.760 would you willingly do what we could get away based on any science. It wasn't 30 days, 90 days a year.

00:41:58.220 You know, it was OK. Well, we think people won't, you know, uprise in the streets if we say 14 days

00:42:04.320 to slow the spread. So now there's now there's a sociologist. Yeah, that's the that's the science.

00:42:08.860 You got to trust the science. Yep. I mean, I truly I don't know whether because the 10 days

00:42:15.120 was made up to the 10 day quarantine now that they've that was made up. So I genuinely don't

00:42:19.620 know. Do they actually believe you won't transmit it after five days now or are is this just the

00:42:27.160 secret? We want everyone to get Omicron because this is the one to get and we're going to finally

00:42:31.640 beat this thing with herd immunity. I think what happened is that the media and the Dems

00:42:36.720 messaging that you are a bad person and you did the wrong things. If you got COVID completely fell

00:42:42.240 apart, given how transmissible Omicron is. And so it's funny that the rules have to be changed

00:42:48.720 once they the good folks can catch it. Once the folks who are counting on I can work from home with

00:42:54.820 the laptop and just get, you know, my delivery from Uber Eats. I'm one of the good ones.

00:42:59.080 Once they are now having to face it. Wait a minute. The rules absolutely have to. Oh,

00:43:02.780 yeah. Well, that's crazy. I have to go out. That's a great point. I mean,

00:43:05.520 if you follow the full narrative recall, I mean, the only reason that Joe Biden's president right now

00:43:09.160 is because of his pledge to the American people that all things would be cured COVID if he was the

00:43:15.560 person sitting behind the resolute desk in the Oval Office. Right. I mean, that was that was the

00:43:20.540 pledge. And then quickly that all fell apart and realized that that's impossible. And so,

00:43:25.940 as Smug just said, all the standards begun changing. You had to figure out who's the other

00:43:30.480 group. Right. So it's like, all right, well, let's let's say that's the Trump supporters that

00:43:35.360 are vaccine hesitant. They're the ones that are creating the continued virus. Well, I mean,

00:43:42.160 statistics don't bear it out. You had just as much hesitancy in African-American communities

00:43:45.800 and inner cities than you did in rural areas and red states. But they had to create that other

00:43:51.780 group. But now with Omicron, it's gone to another another step. As Smug just explained,

00:43:56.620 now you can't you actually can't avoid it. So we need a new explanation. Yeah. Right. It's like we

00:44:02.100 could stop it. If you have to find something good about Omicron, this is it. It's like the great

00:44:08.040 equalizer. It's brought these elites down to earth and shown them that anyone can get this thing.

00:44:14.640 And by the way, that was true during Delta. The vaccinated could catch it and the vaccinated

00:44:20.860 could communicate it to somebody else. Yeah, that was true with Delta. And it's just undeniably true

00:44:26.660 with Omicron, which I'm again, I hate to say there's something good about one of the variants,

00:44:30.160 but this one's it's kind of something good because people are going to have to admit the truth

00:44:34.020 and get real about our policies. I think it's incredible that Joe Biden was able to just hop off

00:44:40.520 his plane and say there's no federal solution for covid and then jump on a helicopter to go to his

00:44:46.280 beach house, like from one vacation to the other, says there's no federal solution to this when he

00:44:50.920 ran explicitly blaming Trump. Yeah. Yeah. Trump is the reason covid is bad and I will fix it.

00:44:56.480 And the media has not held him to account at all. Of course, that is incredible.

00:45:00.880 It's spectacular. They completely took his his marching orders and ran with, you know,

00:45:05.000 no president can fix this. Anywho, look over here. January 6th. It was terrible.

00:45:09.280 Exactly. Remember. All right. Stand by, you guys. Let me squeeze in a break. More with the guys

00:45:13.460 from Ruthless coming up. And don't forget, everyone, you can catch the Megan Kelly show 0.96

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00:45:43.100 And by the way, you can hear our very first interview with these guys, episode 191 in our

00:45:48.520 archives. Don't go away.

00:45:49.880 So now, you know how they changed the definition of fully vaccinated from two shots to, you know,

00:46:01.220 got to have three, including the booster. Now, Fauci says yesterday or the other day,

00:46:05.320 we're going to change it from fully vaccinated to have you kept your vaccinations up?

00:46:12.760 So it's like having a dog, you know, have you gotten all your shots and all your shots? It could

00:46:17.860 just keep changing. Could be four, could be five. And this, as there continues to be major reluctance

00:46:24.420 amongst that five to 11 year old parent group, you know, that we're allowed to vaccinate those

00:46:30.260 very young kids now. And only something like 25 percent of the country has done that. Most parents

00:46:34.620 are like, yeah, no, my kid faces zero risk from COVID. Notwithstanding all these bullshit reports about 0.99

00:46:39.980 record numbers of children in the hospital, thanks to COVID. It's a lie. They're in the hospital 0.99

00:46:46.500 with COVID. They test everyone who goes into the hospital. So if you have a broken leg and you have

00:46:52.780 COVID, you count as a kid in the hospital with COVID. But they report it like it's because of

00:46:57.740 COVID. Anyway, and here's what the White House is apparently doing to try to jack up those kid

00:47:04.540 vaccinations. Watch this promo video from the White House.

00:47:07.460 Is it safer to play with my friends if I'm vaccinated?

00:47:12.060 Oh, you know what? It is. And it's so important to play with your friends, right? Your parents and

00:47:17.100 your teachers have been doing lots of things to keep you guys safe. And this will make it a little

00:47:20.380 bit safer.

00:47:21.180 I'm excited to play with my friend Dorothy and my other friends at school because they said when we all get

00:47:29.040 vaccinated, we can have a play date.

00:47:31.860 OMG. That makes me white hot.

00:47:36.320 It is diabolical that they would do that.

00:47:39.040 I mean, to present it like that, like, oh, well, everything this administration and our teachers

00:47:45.120 unions are doing is to keep you safe.

00:47:47.340 I mean, you've got the teachers unions holding kids hostage right now in Chicago, right? And you've

00:47:53.540 got videos like that, which is basically a hostage video.

00:47:56.380 It is.

00:47:56.840 You know, it's just like...

00:47:58.920 It's yet again, do this thing and we will let you have your...

00:48:01.400 Systopia.

00:48:02.380 And then, you know what? If we all did it, then they'd change it again, right?

00:48:05.540 Yeah. As if you can't have a play date as a child with another child unless you've all

00:48:11.520 been vaccinated. What kind of BS is this? These are lies.

00:48:15.620 It's all lies, but it's based on an initial lie that is perpetuated because of the liberal

00:48:20.480 left and Anthony Fauci and everything else. And it's this misunderstanding of what a coronavirus

00:48:24.840 actually is, right? I mean, what this is is never going to be eradicated from the face

00:48:30.240 of the planet. It's not. You get immunity for it. It lasts forever. You know what the

00:48:33.960 other coronaviruses are called? The flu. It's been around forever, right? And they're colds

00:48:38.500 and flus and you end up getting a shot if you want one, no shot if you don't want one. If

00:48:43.000 you're not vulnerable, it's not even really all that recommended. That's the nature of

00:48:46.940 what we face here. Now, granted, it was more transmissible than the flu and it had a slightly

00:48:52.480 higher death rate at one point than the flu. Omicron does not, right? But the failure to

00:48:57.760 be honest about that conversation has created at least half of this country that is fundamentally

00:49:03.940 out of touch with the reality that they face. And so they make videos like that, right?

00:49:08.780 Those children have far less of a risk from COVID than fully vaccinated adults. And even

00:49:16.540 when you're vaccinated with Omicron, you're just as likely to spread it. Much more with

00:49:21.860 the guys. After this quick break, we're going to get into crime. Don't go away.

00:49:32.060 Before we get into crime, a couple more things on COVID. Days after AOC is spotted vacationing

00:49:38.480 in Florida, she has to leave New York in the circumstances she helped create here where we 0.95

00:49:42.820 all have to wear masks all the time and everyone has a mandatory vaccination policy, even if you

00:49:47.180 deliver a pizza now in some parts of New York or you lose your job. She goes to Florida for some 0.99

00:49:54.020 relief. Understood. But then Eric Swalwell, same thing. Representative from the state of California,

00:49:59.640 including parts of San Francisco Bay Area. He goes to Florida. He's seen maskless. This guy's

00:50:04.220 been a huge proponent of looking to join his time in the sunshine state last week. Just last week,

00:50:10.880 he blamed the Republicans for canceled vacations and saying we have to wear masks everywhere again 0.99

00:50:15.500 because of these guys, Republican liars. And there he is down at the Lowe's Miami Beach Hotel. 0.96

00:50:20.980 Apparently DeSantis, Governor DeSantis said the hypocrisy extends beyond these two. He said there's

00:50:25.680 probably about a half a dozen governors who have restrictions on their people that were spotted

00:50:29.260 at various points in Florida recently. Unreal. What do you make of it? At least the Chinese 1.00

00:50:34.580 intelligence op knows where to find Swalwell these days. Oh my gosh, what a scumbag. He's amongst 1.00

00:50:43.060 the worst. AOC just sort of speaks for herself. I mean, she is what she is, right? She's a left-wing 1.00

00:50:47.960 lunatic. Oh, you're just saying that because you want her. Oh yeah, that's right. That's right, 1.00

00:50:53.080 man. I forgot. That's part of the deal, right? Everybody that criticizes her wants to date her. 0.99

00:50:57.800 Can you imagine having Thanksgiving dinner with AOC? Holy smokes. It's sort of just the classic,

00:51:06.060 you know, do as I say, not as I do that we see in this entire pandemic from the left. I mean,

00:51:11.680 all the way back to Chris Cuomo. Remember that where he was, oh, we're going to quarantine in

00:51:17.080 the basement and then all the, because he got COVID and then all the pictures come out of him maskless

00:51:21.880 outside the house and then CNN does this just like embarrassing reveal of him coming up from the

00:51:28.620 basement after he was quote unquote in quarantine. And it's just all of this performative theater that

00:51:34.440 these folks do because, you know, it's do what I say and not what I do. And with AOC, it's perfect.

00:51:40.860 It's the whole socialist thing of like, it's power to the people until you're in power. And then you

00:51:45.080 want to enjoy all the trappings of what you can have. And of course she's vacationing in Florida.

00:51:50.280 Why should she have to suffer with her voters who elected her in New York city where they're 1.00

00:51:55.200 hitting record numbers, despite having so many vaccine mandates, mask mandates, everything that

00:52:00.840 she supported hasn't been working. Why not just go to Florida for vacation? Yeah. And you know what,

00:52:05.640 you know, it's a great place to vacation to New York city. It's awesome. Normally you could go to

00:52:10.340 Broadway. You could catch a show. You could have done the Rockettes that was canceled too. Um, you know,

00:52:15.680 normally you could come here and see the greatest bar and restaurant scene in the world

00:52:19.860 bar none, but now can't come. If you have a kid who's unvaccinated, it can't come. Certainly 1.00

00:52:24.920 if you're unvaccinated, it can't come. If you plan on taking off your mask, can't come if you like

00:52:28.320 that, that's thanks to people like her, right? People like AOC and our loser mayor, who's now out. 0.99

00:52:33.820 We'll see how the new guy does, uh, who've imposed all these restrictions. It's, it's maddening. And by 0.92

00:52:38.580 the way, it's not totally unlike all these Democrats who changed the laws in these very, very blue States

00:52:44.100 to be just impossible to live under the tax rates and so on. Then they flee down to Florida and Texas

00:52:49.180 and they want to change those laws too. Well, you know, look, the most pernicious part from my point

00:52:54.680 of view about democratic COVID policies is it's basically just a tool for control, right? I mean,

00:53:01.440 if you looked at the way that society operated in the summer of 2020, um, that's kind of ideal for

00:53:07.180 them, you know, is this, you have a centralized federal government who basically conducts all

00:53:13.100 dealings in your life, right? You can't really leave the house. If you do, it has to be a job

00:53:19.740 that is what, how did they label it? Essential, essential, essential, essential as if, you know,

00:53:25.660 some jobs aren't essential to provide for your family. I mean, every single aspect of American life

00:53:31.420 was filtered through what the federal government told you, you could and could not do. And so as we've

00:53:36.000 gotten on like now you can see, they're just trying, they're trying to struggle to take hold

00:53:40.680 of that. They don't want to live under it as evidenced by AOC and Swalwell, but they're still

00:53:45.140 trying to continue this, this, okay. Fourth shot. Okay. Fifth shot. Okay. Six, never really leveling

00:53:50.900 with people that the fact this is going to be here forever. And you might as well figure out how to get

00:53:54.840 back to life as you want to live it. And part of that is scaring us. You know, like I mentioned with

00:54:01.000 the fake hospitalization reports, I mentioned the children, but they do that with adults too.

00:54:06.000 And, and you tell me if you've noticed it, but I, I feel like with Omicron, which we know

00:54:10.720 is far less deadly than Delta or any other variant we've had of this, this virus. They're,

00:54:18.320 they're excited when they have a death to report. They've been few and far between, but they actually,

00:54:22.860 there was a mashup. Is this a, is this a Graebian mashup? I don't know who put this together,

00:54:27.320 but it's good. We stole it. Oh, it's Matt Taibbi. Even better. Watch this, you guys watch this.

00:54:33.680 It's the first known death from Omicron. The first person confirmed to have died of

00:54:38.560 Omicron in the U.S. We've just confirmed the first death in the United States due to the Omicron

00:54:43.360 variant. Death now from the Omicron variant. First death to the Omicron variant. Death from

00:54:48.360 the Omicron variant in the U.S. The U.S. suffered its first death from the new strain. It is very

00:54:53.600 possible there have been other deaths. The first death from the Omicron variant. The U.S. has reported

00:54:58.200 its first death linked to the Omicron variant. We're going to see certainly hospitalizations

00:55:03.400 and deaths. The one thing that we are seeing is that if anything, it does not appear to be more

00:55:09.120 severe. It might in fact be less severe, but we're holding off on that till we see how it does in our

00:55:15.540 country. Taibbi, he's put in the Grim Reaper running around. That was beautiful. But it goes

00:55:22.940 back to the central problem that we've been discussing here, Megan, is that they need fear

00:55:28.240 for compliance because compliance is key to their worldview. If they want to send you a check and

00:55:34.260 tell you you don't have to pay rent, they need to scare you into changing the American economy,

00:55:40.180 to locking you in your home. And they can only do that with videos like that.

00:55:43.920 Yeah. It's incredible. I mean, the funny thing is the whole Omicron thing started with a big report

00:55:50.280 that came out that the White House member Biden had this big emergency meeting to meet about the

00:55:55.360 Omicron variant. And then they had this discussion at the CDC about how this was the most transmissible

00:56:01.980 and they took all kinds of South African data except for one data point. The one data point was that

00:56:07.580 nobody was going to the hospital. It does nothing, right? It's like there's nothing to fear with this

00:56:11.800 one. Yeah, you get a cold and then you're and then you have immunity as it as it turns out,

00:56:16.100 according to what I read in the New York Times, you have immunity if you get Omicron from Delta

00:56:20.340 and the reverse is not true. So, yay. Right. So, I mean, if you're looking for silver linings and

00:56:25.160 getting Omicron, there's one for you. But no, it's death, death, death and hospitalizations.

00:56:32.640 Like, I don't think anybody's advocating everybody go out and lick doorknobs,

00:56:35.780 but honestly, just survive. Do your life. Act like you did when it was flu season.

00:56:41.520 You know, wash your hands. Do smart stuff. You know, I just for the life of me, I can't figure

00:56:47.680 out what people can't figure out about this plan that liberals have to try to keep us all under

00:56:52.460 the thumb. It's just so odd. But I think part of part of the problem is because they need the

00:56:56.920 compliance at the beginning of the pandemic. Right. And they had to lock people in their homes

00:57:01.180 and the vaccines were under development, that instead of leveling with people, like you said

00:57:06.640 earlier, Holmes, and saying this is a coronavirus, small C coronavirus, the flu is a coronavirus.

00:57:11.640 These things circulate and will always circulate. We built up the expectations of vaccine and this

00:57:17.580 is over. Oh, yeah. And this is over. And Ron DeSantis in Florida and monoclonal antibodies,

00:57:23.100 you know, he's he does. That's junk science. You know, they've got it wrong. We've got it right. 0.98

00:57:27.640 And now we are two years into this thing and it all has to change because we're slowly accepting

00:57:33.640 reality. Yeah. And elderly can't get monoclonal. But where where are the smart liberals? Because 1.00

00:57:41.360 smart people. Right. I mean, the conservatives are not scared. If you look around on the right

00:57:46.340 half of the country, they're not the ones who are running scared from this. But there are smart

00:57:50.220 liberals out there who should now be seeing right with their own eyes. Oh, wait a minute. OK,

00:57:55.120 we do have to learn to live with it. We're not going to get zero covid. We have to decide whether

00:57:59.580 we want to send our kids to school and masks forevermore. And they, you know, bit by bit,

00:58:04.380 we're starting to see some of that. But then you get reports like Yale University this week.

00:58:10.480 Did you see this? They're banning the students from eating outside. They cannot eat outdoors at

00:58:16.680 local restaurants for the spring semester. And they're dumb for a bunch of smart kids. 0.99

00:58:23.580 I mean, where I went at Syracuse, I guarantee you they're eating outside. What's the matter? 1.00

00:58:30.640 Why? Why?

00:58:32.140 I love the juxtaposition with this. And then in the summer of 2020, when you had these riots and BLM 0.96

00:58:38.720 going on through the summer, you had, you know, medical community going around saying that, hey,

00:58:44.200 it's OK to go out and attend these protests, you know, shoulder to shoulder in the streets.

00:58:49.200 That's totally fine. COVID will, you know, stop when it's for a left wing cause. But now you want

00:58:56.500 to have a pizza in New Haven? Not happening. Social justice is the best vaccine. That's right. 0.98

00:59:02.360 I mean, you asked about smart liberals. You asked about smart liberals. I happen to think,

00:59:06.440 at least in terms of Washington, they exited stage left with Daniel Patrick Moynihan like 25 years

00:59:12.000 ago. Right. I mean, to be honest with you, this is a herd mentality in there. There's such they're

00:59:16.700 so scared. They're so politically scared of the far left that nobody. And I mean, nobody, even if

00:59:22.660 they know better than they are smart and there are smart liberals, they can't say it. They can't

00:59:27.440 say it because that's the other problem that they've associated now with our entire country

00:59:31.000 is that they've censored everybody into a silo of thought. That's right.

00:59:35.240 Right. That you can only say and do these things or otherwise you're kind of against

00:59:39.020 the entire mission. We've seen that across from social media to to now our science and

00:59:44.480 our medical community. I think that is the the one last and really scary part about this.

00:59:49.200 This is good. I like this because they've been so sucked in because it's not just the

00:59:53.360 damn politicians. Right. Like I know these people in New York City, the actual liberals who 1.00

00:59:58.340 are not woke. They're not like sort of the far left weird activists. They're normal people,

01:00:03.840 but they're liberals and they're brainwashed. They see this thing is like bubonic plague 0.95

01:00:12.080 esque. And I think you're getting it. Why? They got sucked in early as an us versus them 0.99

01:00:18.720 mentality, as a MAGA hat versus mask mentality, as a good people are scared and follow, quote,

01:00:26.620 the science and take it seriously. And they can't break out of it. Sorry, Smog. 1.00

01:00:31.420 I know. No, no, no. I think Holmes nailed it where he said that there is the left is trying

01:00:38.680 to enforce what can be said, what can't be said about this. If like a year ago, you were to say

01:00:44.540 if you've been vaccinated, you can still contract and pass on the coronavirus. Your account would be

01:00:50.360 would be banned. Right. And, you know, the left would try to take away your livelihood. 0.99

01:00:54.700 They'd be like, oh, no, this person doesn't. What would the covid misinformation policy of two

01:01:00.280 years ago look like versus today? You know, think about that. We had Eric Swalwell. We talked about

01:01:04.980 Eric Swalwell. This is a guy who tweeted, don't buy masks at the beginning of this thing. Is his

01:01:10.140 account still up? I mean, the WHO says it can't be transmitted human to human. They still have their

01:01:14.640 account. Yeah. I'm trying to find the Dave Rubin tweet. Maybe my team can help me out.

01:01:19.740 Dave Rubin had his Twitter account suspended eight, nine months ago for tweeting out something to the

01:01:27.480 effect of the vaccines do not prevent the spread of covid. They're not as effective as we once thought

01:01:34.260 they were. It was everything he said was true. And he got shut down on Twitter. A bunch of us weighed

01:01:40.460 in saying this is absurd. Why are you shutting down? And that's just, of course, yet another

01:01:44.840 example of what big tech does. Right. It's not really so much what's fact based. It's what they

01:01:48.980 just don't want people to hear. Yeah. Yeah. But it's also enforced at the administration level.

01:01:54.780 Right. That's so like you've got big tech. Of course, there are a bunch of lefties, but you also

01:01:58.880 have this this hanging over the top of them, this threat of antitrust or these threats of government

01:02:04.400 action to break up their businesses. And every single time you see Facebook or somebody,

01:02:08.980 somebody else say, like, you know, we're going to have a more laissez faire attitude.

01:02:12.860 They try to enforce something on them. And it's so in some ways, it's the government itself

01:02:17.820 that's perpetuating the silence. The government and the media are basically coming into Facebook

01:02:23.020 and Twitter and saying, you know, nice business you got here. It would be a shame if anything

01:02:26.080 were to happen to it. If you let Trump back on Twitter, we'll let Elizabeth Warren take care

01:02:31.300 of you guys. Yeah. You know how it works. And is there any has there been any ramification

01:02:34.920 for Twitter whatsoever for banning the Hunter Biden? No, not not. Oh, and we heard a whole

01:02:42.340 lecture from Joe Biden today about how, you know, good people, real Americans are not afraid

01:02:46.980 of the truth. They're not afraid of the truth coming out. OK, let's do that. Let's have that

01:02:52.340 conversation, Mr. Disinformation, Russian disinformation when it comes to your son's laptop.

01:02:57.380 That that's a lie that you've chosen to live with. And none of us believes it.

01:03:01.060 OK, so this is oh, this is just from July. My God, it's like, wait, July of what? It must

01:03:07.180 be July of 2021. My God, that's like a couple months ago. This is so obviously true. Dave Rubin

01:03:12.320 tweeted out. This is listen how benign this is. People are getting and transmitting COVID

01:03:18.960 despite backs. Plus, now they're prepping us for booster shots. A sane society would take

01:03:24.960 a pause. We do not live in a sane society. He got his Twitter account shut down.

01:03:31.060 For that. Wow. Incredible. I mean, that should be held out. I'm glad you highlighted that. That

01:03:36.760 should be held out and put on a poster card in front of every media office there is, because

01:03:41.600 that is the most obviously true statement that I've ever seen. And somehow that's what

01:03:47.580 got banned. Right. It's crazy. All right, let's switch over because I want to get your reaction

01:03:53.460 to a couple of things. First of all, crime, New York City. Great. We've got Eric Adams. He's a

01:04:00.240 former cop. He took over for de Blasio. So, yay. Team Andy Cohen. And sadly, however, and this is

01:04:08.180 something Bill Bratton has been saying, you know, police commissioner, former in New York, and he

01:04:12.420 cleaned up New York under Giuliani. He cleaned up L.A. He cleaned up Boston. And he has been saying

01:04:16.840 it's great. If you want to refund cops, you should. He's in favor of that. It's not going to solve

01:04:21.380 the problem. It's the light on crime prosecutors, the D.A.s, who are really at the heart of what

01:04:26.440 we're seeing in these crime rises across major cities. And New York City is the perfect example

01:04:31.880 of that. The Manhattan D.A. is a guy named Alvin Bragg. He's our new D.A. He ordered his

01:04:38.840 prosecutors to stop seeking prison sentences for hordes of criminals. This is from the New

01:04:46.060 York Post and to downgrade felony charges in cases including armed robberies and drug dealing.

01:04:54.360 He doesn't want anyone to be incarcerated, basically unless it's a homicide or just a

01:05:00.940 handful of other major cases like domestic violence, felonies and a few others. And so

01:05:06.240 the police union, cops themselves and others who are pro-law enforcement are coming out and saying,

01:05:12.800 this is insane. What like what kind of message are we sending out? And by the way, if you go in

01:05:17.460 there and like he's changing the rules on armed robberies now or if it's not a gun, it's not an

01:05:23.040 armed robbery. It's going to be treated as a misdemeanor. Like, oh, I'm sure the store owners

01:05:27.660 are going to love that. Armed robbers who use guns or other deadly weapons to stick up stores and other

01:05:33.560 businesses will be prosecuted only for petty larceny, a misdemeanor, so long as no one was seriously

01:05:40.780 injured and there was no genuine risk of physical harm to anyone. Oh, my God. What?

01:05:45.440 Yes. So this is something that we've discussed, you know, pretty extensively here on on Ruthless

01:05:50.320 on the variety program. There's been a significant push among the left to try to to using dark money

01:05:56.260 to fund these radical left wing D.A.s because they know voters think this would be ridiculous.

01:06:02.520 They can't get it done with legislation. So they try to do it at the D.A. level that,

01:06:07.320 you know, their radical ideas on what policing, reimagining policing, which essentially means

01:06:11.380 anarchy. Right. Should be. And again, the New York Post had had a terrific article about this, 0.51

01:06:17.240 where Soros, George Soros donated over a million dollars to Bragg, who's now the D.A.

01:06:23.140 in New York. He had previously funded the D.A. in Philadelphia, where now the murder rate

01:06:28.160 Philadelphia has one fifth the population of New York City and they have more murders in

01:06:33.180 Philadelphia. I mean, that's what happened. It's Chicago to remember back Waukesha. Right. 0.63

01:06:37.800 We all remember how did this guy, how did this criminal get out of a bail hearing and onto the

01:06:45.140 streets where he was able to kill people on the streets of Waukesha? Exactly the same thing that

01:06:50.020 we're now talking about. It was a D.A., a Soros funded D.A. that ultimately made that call and it

01:06:56.060 cost people their lives. It's incredible. It's like their solution to rising crime is just don't

01:07:01.240 prosecute crime. Then the numbers go down. There you go. Well, I didn't see it. The thing is,

01:07:06.940 yeah, I mean, that's the funniest thing is they actually straight face. Yeah. Right. And we have

01:07:11.500 the example of San Francisco laying out for the world to see. Look what happens when you stop

01:07:17.240 prosecuting crime. Look what happens when theft is no longer associated with any sort of sentencing

01:07:23.080 guidelines whatsoever. Well, you have every store that's that's within walking distance

01:07:27.780 of downtown that's been looted over the last. Well, let's just make sure they're wearing their

01:07:31.320 masks. Well, you know, if they're doing a stick up job, got to make sure they're masked. If they're

01:07:35.280 not masked, we're going to prosecute that. Well, it's very convenient, by the way, to have the mask

01:07:39.860 on. That's a good point. That's the one circumstance where people would be pro mask.

01:07:44.460 Like, it's so absurd. You think about the people like, OK, so I'm an armed robber with a gun. I go

01:07:52.260 in to stick up a store in New York City. And of course, these store owners, it's always like the

01:07:56.160 guy at the kiosk. They don't have a lot of dough. You know, it's like the guy at the deli. These are

01:08:00.740 small business owners. So they get they get stuck up by a guy who does have a gun. And the guy doesn't

01:08:07.220 get prosecuted for more than petty larceny as long as he doesn't shoot somebody or create a genuine

01:08:15.340 risk of physical harm. Doesn't me taking a gun and pointing it at a store owner qualify in and of

01:08:21.260 itself as creating a genuine risk of physical harm? What if somebody has an actual gun with bullets in

01:08:26.380 it and shoots and misses me but hits the clerk? You know, it's like this is insane, an insane way to 0.72

01:08:33.120 enforce the criminal law. I'll give you guys the last word. Yeah, no, I mean, the only good thing about

01:08:37.120 this is that stuff like this can't hold in the democracy, right? Because the only thing that

01:08:41.380 makes people more irritated than your education for your kids is the fact that they're unsafe,

01:08:46.620 right? If you're unsafe in the streets of your community, you do something about it. It's

01:08:50.960 happened in every community. You mentioned New York previously in the 90s under Giuliani.

01:08:54.820 The time is coming for these people. They're all going to be thrown out of office at some point.

01:08:59.400 I just hope they don't do too much damage before we get them. Exactly. That's how I feel about the

01:09:03.780 San Francisco DA, you know, the mayor out there. She's like, now it's talking tough. It's like,

01:09:08.500 okay, well, what about all the people who got hurt before you saw the light because your community

01:09:13.900 found itself completely crime infested? Guys, I only wish we had two more hours. It's such a

01:09:19.400 pleasure. I love your show. I love talking to you. Please come back.

01:09:23.040 Yeah, we will absolutely do that. And we're going to play a game with you at some point on

01:09:26.220 Ruthless Variety Program. I've got some in mind.

01:09:28.220 Oh, I'm excited. I'm into games. I'll do it. I'm going to regret that.

01:09:34.040 See you soon, guys. Don't forget to check it out. Ruthless. You'll be glad you did.

01:09:39.460 Up next, Kelly's Court is back in session. We take a look at a bizarre situation down under

01:09:43.360 involving Novak Djokovic, who's like being held in Australia because he didn't get a vaccine.

01:09:50.520 He claims he has a medical exemption. My God, it's crazy what they're doing to the world's

01:09:53.820 number one tennis player. How can they get away with this? Plus analysis on the Ghislaine

01:09:58.680 Maxwell verdict, which may be about to get thrown out. And Elizabeth Holmes.

01:10:08.480 Court is now in session. Kelly's Court, that is. And we've got a trio of hot cases to discuss.

01:10:13.040 We're going to begin with high drama down under. The world's number one tennis player,

01:10:18.300 Novak Djokovic, is currently being held in a quarantine hotel facing possible deportation

01:10:26.360 from Australia, where he is trying to play in the Australian Open. Trial attorney Arthur

01:10:33.020 Idala is here with me to discuss it, along with former federal prosecutor Lise Weill.

01:10:38.300 So both of you guys have prosecuted cases. Now, Arthur, you defend them and Lise writes books

01:10:44.260 and so on. But this is like a novel. I can't believe that they have taken. This isn't some

01:10:50.640 no name loser. This is like one of the most famous people on earth. And I guess he got a visa to come

01:11:00.480 in. But then they decided to mark him anyway, as possibly unvaccinated. And you tell me, Lise,

01:11:07.860 what is now happening and going to happen to him?

01:11:10.800 Well, he's waiting, as you said, Megan, high in detention. And he's going to be there until

01:11:17.400 Monday when they have another hearing on it. But look, the prime minister is very adamant at saying

01:11:22.800 the rules are the rules. I mean, it doesn't it doesn't matter who you are. If you're not vaccinated

01:11:28.040 and you don't have some kind of medical exemption, then or religious exemption, then you're not going

01:11:34.460 to be allowed into the country. And yeah, it's crazy that he's been there that long. And yeah,

01:11:38.780 it's crazy. There's been a mix up. But if that's the bottom line and he hasn't been vaccinated and

01:11:43.160 there is no exemption, he should be out of there. You should. Well, you know, Megan, I'm a big fan

01:11:48.440 of common sense. Right. And I'm a big and I'm a big fan of the prime minister looking at his country

01:11:55.080 as a whole. How much money does that tennis tournament bring into the citizens of Australia?

01:12:02.960 Number one. Number two, you're not talking about some schmuck who wants to come in and he's ranked 1.00

01:12:08.400 4000. You're talking about a guy who has the finances to absolutely totally isolate, to get 0.99

01:12:14.600 tested every 15 minutes if they want him to. And look, although the rules are the rules,

01:12:20.800 Lisa, as the prime minister, as the prime minister, you are allowed to make exceptions.

01:12:25.680 We don't pardon people for crimes. We don't let people, prime ministers and presidents don't

01:12:33.880 let people out of jail. Don't let him commit the crime. I mean, come on, Arthur, what kind of

01:12:40.300 message is that? It's not a crime. It is not a crime.

01:12:43.460 Of course, when you're the prime minister, it's all about money. It's all about money.

01:12:48.460 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. But hold on. But hold on. And I'll give you the floor,

01:12:51.240 Elise, that what they're saying is that he received a medical exemption before he got there.

01:12:57.420 And now it seems like the feds in the state over there are sort of pointing the finger at each other

01:13:02.260 over who gave him that exemption. But here's what's weird to me. The reports are that they singled him

01:13:09.200 out upon landing in Australia, not because they were like, hmm, medical exemption, but because they

01:13:15.160 were like, he publicly decried vaccine mandates, not even just vaccines, vaccine mandates, and therefore

01:13:24.700 said, red flag. Let's look. Let's look further into this case, which this is nuts. This is very,

01:13:32.240 very big brothery.

01:13:34.480 I don't I don't see it that way. Look, he said he said he's been out there on social media saying he

01:13:40.240 doesn't believe in vaccination. Nobody should be mandated. But the rules, I mean, I'm sorry,

01:13:45.340 I'm repeating myself. The rules are the rules. It's required in Australia to have the vaccine.

01:13:51.340 And if you want to come in, he's coming in as a guest of the country. I don't care. I mean,

01:13:56.800 obviously, I care for these number one player and these rich and all that, but it shouldn't

01:14:02.600 matter. I mean, that because the message that that would send to the rest of the Australian

01:14:07.260 population, how about this? Let me see if I can, let me see if I can persuade you with this

01:14:12.140 argument. Okay, try. Okay. Unlike, let's, I'll just say myself. My body is not exactly my temple.

01:14:20.800 Okay. But, but his body is right. I mean, this is you're talking about one of the greatest

01:14:26.620 athletes to have ever walked the planet Earth. And he watches very much like Tom Brady and Michael

01:14:32.660 and Phelps and all of these. He watches every little ounce that goes into his body,

01:14:38.020 whether it be lack of alcohol, whether it be organic romaine lettuce, steroids. I would say,

01:14:44.920 just kidding. I have no evidence that particular person that for this particular person under these

01:14:49.840 circumstances, a medical exemption, which Australia does have, Australia does have a medical exemption.

01:14:56.480 It should be employed. No, because it's not going to apply here. A medical exemption means

01:15:02.320 if you can't take the vaccine for some reason, you just made my argument even stronger, which is that

01:15:08.260 he has no medical exemption. How do you know? We don't know that. How does he know? How does he know?

01:15:14.000 How does he, what happens if he does take the vaccine and he has a reaction that ends his tennis

01:15:18.340 career? This is a guy who's vying for the championship of all grand slams of all time. He's tied in a

01:15:24.100 three-way time. And don't come to Australia where those are the rules. Go play somewhere else where 0.93

01:15:28.000 those aren't the rules. You can't play out by the rules. Okay. So, but first of all, can I just say

01:15:30.780 something? Whether he deserves the medical exemption or not doesn't change the effect on

01:15:39.420 the Australian population, right? Let's say he legitimately can't get it for some reason.

01:15:44.120 He's still going to go over there unvaccinated. So if Australia allows some people to be there

01:15:48.260 unvaccinated because they have medical exemptions or whatever it is, then why wouldn't they allow 1.00

01:15:53.240 Novak Djokovic, who, as Arthur points out, can absolutely stay completely isolated away from

01:15:58.880 every, he is, as I understand it, the defending champ at the Australian Open, number one in the

01:16:05.860 world, going to generate tons of money for the Australians. Why wouldn't they say, we will allow

01:16:10.620 you to do it? You speak to no one, get near no one. You're already here for God's sake.

01:16:15.080 Because those are special applications, special rules, bending the rules, however you want to say it,

01:16:20.200 that wouldn't be given if you or I tried to do the same thing. And that's not.

01:16:24.660 But you or I are not the defending, we're not the defending.

01:16:27.680 It doesn't matter because you're making a money argument, Arthur. This is not a money argument.

01:16:31.940 This is a health argument. This is a rules argument.

01:16:34.620 But that can be, that can be checked.

01:16:36.020 What I started off by saying, can we make it a common sense argument? And what Megan just said is,

01:16:40.620 he's going to be totally isolated. He's going to be away from everybody.

01:16:44.060 And so that's not really a health argument.

01:16:46.100 He's still playing on the 17th. Again, they wouldn't allow us in. Why should they allow

01:16:50.980 him in?

01:16:51.400 It's like his little germs.

01:16:53.120 He's a special individual.

01:16:54.160 Like I just say, it's not like tennis is not like football where they're on top of each other.

01:16:59.680 You know, it's like he's there and nobody's anywhere near him. I think this is crazy.

01:17:03.600 The boys, the ball girls, the umpires, the fans, you know, Omicron is spread. Again,

01:17:09.020 I'm not going to get into the medical part of this because that's for the doctors to do.

01:17:12.340 And they, if they decide there's no medical exemption, which Arthur kindly made that point

01:17:17.200 just fantastically for me, then he doesn't apply under the rules. And that's not fair to treat

01:17:22.960 rich and famous people differently than they would treat the rest of us.

01:17:26.100 I don't know.

01:17:27.000 Megan and I would agree with you if it was some rich and famous person who wanted to take 0.99

01:17:31.080 their yacht into Sydney, there's no exemption. And, and I, I will tell you my medical exemption

01:17:38.380 is this, the way Tom Brady will not have an ounce of sugar in his diet, will not touch

01:17:43.280 alcohol. Their, their bodies are different than ours. They monitor everything that goes

01:17:48.140 into their body. And as, as vaccinated as we all are, his doctor, his trainers may be saying,

01:17:53.760 listen, we do not know what reaction you're going to have. If you take this vaccine, we do

01:17:57.900 not want you to take it. As healthy as his body is, he apparently tested positive for

01:18:04.260 COVID in 2020.

01:18:05.200 And he, and he was fine and he was fine and he has natural immunity and he doesn't need

01:18:10.020 the vaccine.

01:18:11.300 Oh, all right. Wait, wait. I, can I ask you, Arthur, this is, we're going to post on YouTube.

01:18:15.020 We always post about two hours after the show ends. Can I put up your polar bear plunge photo

01:18:19.280 since you've referenced your temple body?

01:18:21.260 Yeah, absolutely.

01:18:24.420 You've been doing this for years. So you might as well. And you know, Megan, since, since you brought

01:18:29.960 up something personal, the one personal thing I wanted to discuss with you is starting on Monday

01:18:34.060 here in New York city. I'm going to have my very own radio show.

01:18:37.680 What? Stop it. You are?

01:18:39.880 Yeah.

01:18:40.680 Yeah.

01:18:41.060 That's exciting.

01:18:41.660 Megan Kelly is going to do Kelly's court with me every once in a while, the way Arthur 0.99

01:18:45.040 Idolla does Megan Kelly with Megan Kelly.

01:18:47.700 Oh, that is, I'm, I'm in. Cause I know all your tricks.

01:18:52.920 We're going to do evening drive here, 6 to 7 PM in New York city.

01:18:56.960 That's awesome. Wait, where, what channel? How do we find you?

01:19:00.160 Yeah. 970 AM. It's Joe Piscopo does the morning show and John Katzmatidis, who's the billionaire

01:19:06.200 who ran for mayor is going to be five to six and I'm going to be six to seven. So I'm very excited.

01:19:10.200 That is so fun. Oh my gosh. Done. We'll be there anytime. Lisa and I will go and we'll give

01:19:14.380 him a hard time, right? Get John in on it.

01:19:16.220 That'll be, not on the radio.

01:19:17.000 Okay. So let's move on. Um, fascinating stuff happening in the Ghislaine Maxwell case.

01:19:22.980 I genuinely want to know what you guys think is going to happen on this. Um, she was convicted

01:19:28.120 five out of six counts, sex trafficking, conspiracy, uh, transporting a minor with the intent to engage

01:19:35.060 in criminal sex activity. These are bad, bad charges. She's going away for the rest of her life. 1.00

01:19:39.080 If this verdict stands, she's already 60. Um, and then, I mean, you can almost see the moment

01:19:45.600 her lawyer went to see her in her cell to tell her you may have been granted a lifeline. Um,

01:19:52.400 one of the jurors spoke out to Reuters and to the independent and identified himself only by his first

01:19:59.500 and middle names, Scotty David, and said some things that may get this entire verdict thrown out,

01:20:06.400 talked about how he had been the victim of sexual abuse as a child and about how he mentioned it

01:20:14.800 and used it to persuade some of the other jurors in the jury deliberation room to vote guilty people

01:20:20.200 who are on the fence. And that would, I guess, be okay if he hadn't failed to disclose that on his

01:20:28.280 juror questionnaire, he didn't disclose it. He claimed he didn't even see it on there. It was

01:20:33.000 on there. And, uh, he, now he's saying, Oh, well, I just rushed right through all the answers.

01:20:37.840 And now, as I understand, at least both the process, the prosecution went in there and asked

01:20:43.560 the judge to take a look at this and to possibly reevaluate the verdict and the defense wants a

01:20:49.260 mistrial. They they're like, throw it out right now. Um, so what do you think is going to happen?

01:20:54.680 Well, they're going to have to investigate. I mean, from a prosecutor's point of view, you know,

01:20:59.200 you want jurors in there who, as, as Arthur would say, use their common sense, bring their experience,

01:21:05.600 and that's all okay to share that. And if that's all it was, it would be fine. But if he didn't,

01:21:12.120 and I don't think we're a hundred percent clear that he didn't check that box saying he'd been

01:21:16.060 sexually abused, but there wasn't, there certainly wasn't any follow-up with him, which leads us to

01:21:20.260 think that he didn't check the box. Well, there'd be no issue if he had checked it. There'd be no

01:21:23.960 issue. Okay. So he's claiming he flew through it and that's why, so there was no intent there

01:21:28.920 to deceive. But Arthur and I, Megan, you, we've all seen cases where there's this stealth juror,

01:21:35.340 you know, jurors that want to get on the jury panel. Why? Not because they want to meet out justice,

01:21:40.920 but because they want a book deal. They want fame after it so they can talk about,

01:21:46.620 you know, what, what's happened. If that's the case here and there's a, you know, shown intent to

01:21:52.320 not check that box and get on that jury, then he should never been on the jury. And I would agree

01:21:58.320 that the judge has got to follow through on that, perhaps declare a new trial.

01:22:02.900 Arthur, I don't think intent matters. I think if he did not check that box and the prosecution,

01:22:10.360 the defense or the judge in this case was doing some of the questioning of the jurors who said they

01:22:15.660 had suffered, some of the potential jurors did check the box and say, I'd been a victim of

01:22:20.700 sexual abuse. And the judge would follow up saying, could you be fair in a case like this,

01:22:24.840 that involves alleged sexual abuse, or would you be biased towards the prosecution and the alleged

01:22:29.100 victims that, and then the jurors, of course, I mean, some say, no, I couldn't. And they're

01:22:33.100 dismissed. And some say, yes, I could. And some who want to write books might say, yes, I could,

01:22:37.580 even though they secretly could not. But this guy wasn't subjected to any of that.

01:22:41.500 So I don't think it matters what his intent was. I think this verdict could go away

01:22:46.180 from the mere fact that he didn't disclose it. No one got to ask him about it. And then he admitted

01:22:51.680 to using it to sway jurors in the deliberation room.

01:22:57.340 So as you guys know, I, by firm, we tried the Harvey Weinstein case, and then we just argued the

01:23:03.260 appeal last December the 15th. And it's a major issue on appeal. It was one of the two issues that

01:23:10.160 were really argued to the judges, because in that particular case, a juror had just written a

01:23:15.380 book that was not published. So we couldn't read the book yet. It was about to be published.

01:23:19.580 And she was asked in jury selection, does that have to do with similar facts and circumstances

01:23:26.640 that about here, about a predatory man on a young person? And she answers no. And then the book comes

01:23:33.960 out. And there's more details. She lied a couple of points along the way. And the book comes out,

01:23:38.640 and it is about a predatory male, a teacher going after younger people. So it's the exact same issue

01:23:45.800 here, except Harvey's case is in state court, which the law is actually more in favor than in federal

01:23:52.080 court. And I'm going to read to you exactly the United States Supreme Court's case from last year.

01:23:56.240 It's a two-part test in federal court where Ms. Maxwell is. One, a party must first demonstrate 1.00

01:24:02.340 that a juror failed to answer honestly a material question during jury selection and then show that

01:24:10.720 a correct response would have provided a valid basis for a challenge for cause. So to break that down,

01:24:17.080 it means that this person should have checked off yes in the questionnaire. And then if the judge

01:24:22.760 questioned that person and that person's answers gave the defense a reason to challenge that juror,

01:24:30.500 then it looks like there should be a reversal here. It is a higher bar in the federal court than in the

01:24:36.380 state court. So we will find out. But it is definitely an appellate issue that the trial judge

01:24:41.960 now, because she hasn't been sentenced yet, so it's still not an appellate issue. It's still for that

01:24:46.540 trial judge to decide. But even if the trial judge says, nah, it wasn't enough, she then could raise it

01:24:52.300 on appeal after her sentencing. And Arthur, it's even worse here than in your case,

01:24:56.380 because Davis himself, Scotty Davis himself says that what he said swayed the jurors. Remember,

01:25:03.320 they were out for some 40, 50 hours. And he said what he said actually swayed them. So

01:25:08.840 if that's all true, he didn't check the box, was it questioned? I really do think it's a bad issue for

01:25:14.880 the prosecution. Yeah. Another jury in Harvey's case said, though, that the woman who wrote the book

01:25:18.980 was very forceful and very powerful in the jury room during the deliberations. And that

01:25:23.300 that Harvey's jury, I think, went out Monday and came back the following Monday. So

01:25:27.980 they're very similar. Believe me, when my team was reading about what happened in the Maxwell case,

01:25:32.440 we were like, wow, this is this is really. Wait, so Arthur, was your juror was a juror

01:25:37.260 issue in the Harvey Weinstein case writing a novel or a work? She had she had written a novel

01:25:43.240 and she claimed that it was a novel. But then after the verdict, but before the so after he's found

01:25:49.860 guilty, but before her book comes out, she's doing these interviews and she's like, it's a novel,

01:25:54.860 but it was basically autobiographical. And I'm the person who gets molested in the book.

01:26:00.000 Oh, yeah, that's getting a little similar. I don't know. I think this is problematic. I mean, I

01:26:07.220 I actually I'd be feeling pretty hopeful if I were Ghislaine Maxwell right now that this verdict gets

01:26:12.760 thrown out. That doesn't mean she's free. She's she would be retried. And the prosecution's not

01:26:17.200 going to say, oh, well, we screwed up with this one juror, not even them, but that there was a

01:26:21.100 screw up with this one juror. But man, I bet Scotty David is really sorry that he decided to give

01:26:25.760 interviews. It's like there's just no upside. Maybe not, Megan. Maybe not.

01:26:30.460 Yeah, unless that's what he wanted the whole time. I mean, he didn't realize, right, when he said that,

01:26:35.380 that that might mean that the whole the you know, the whole thing would be reversed. He may not have

01:26:39.220 realized that. Maybe he was one of these self jurors that wanted to now get the publicity

01:26:43.360 and then a book. Maybe you're right. He should go by his real name.

01:26:47.720 The prosecution actually came to the judge and said, hey, you've got to take a look at

01:26:51.940 this. So they're right. Let me shift gears. And I want to stay on on Maxwell for a minute

01:26:57.400 and more more Epstein, because I'm also really interested in the Prince Andrew aspect of this.

01:27:03.840 So I heard a lot of people saying like, oh, he should be worried now that Ghislaine was convicted.

01:27:08.880 Forget the juror issue. But, you know, there was a conviction. I don't know if that's true.

01:27:13.480 I think if Ghislaine were going to start naming names and telling details, she would have already

01:27:17.760 done it. The prosecution didn't seem to be interested in offering her a deal for those

01:27:22.040 kinds of details, at least according to what we read in the press. But what has emerged now,

01:27:28.580 because he's been sued by Virginia Giuffre, maiden name Roberts. And this is the one who I don't think

01:27:35.260 there's any question. Jeffrey Epstein abused her. Jeffrey Epstein trafficked her to a number of men.

01:27:40.700 But Virginia Roberts Giuffre has named many, many men as on the receiving end of those offerings.

01:27:50.320 And one of them is Prince Andrew. Another one is our pal Alan Dershowitz. And I've said publicly

01:27:57.240 before, because I did take a deep dive into this before I did a long interview with Alan last fall,

01:28:01.980 I don't believe he did a thing to Virginia Roberts. I don't believe that.

01:28:07.260 If you look at the history of her statements.

01:28:08.900 Thank you, Megan. I'll put you on the jury. I'll put you on the jury when I'm representing Alan.

01:28:12.160 Good. I hope you do. Because if you look at the history of her statements about Alan,

01:28:15.400 they're deeply troubling. They're all over the board. And she clearly was egged on to name him

01:28:18.900 by somebody who thought she'd get more publicity if she included a star lawyer like Alan in the list

01:28:24.060 of defendants. And the objective evidence doesn't support it. I'm not looking. I could be wrong. I'd be

01:28:29.340 shocked if I were. I stand by Alan on that one. But I believe she was a victim. And I don't know

01:28:35.180 about Prince Andrew. But now what we've learned is that she's filed a civil lawsuit against him. We

01:28:38.820 knew that against Prince Andrew. Now he's trying to get out of it, guys, because she got a $500,000

01:28:45.040 settlement from Jeffrey Epstein years ago, Virginia did. And that seemed to try to give a blanket of

01:28:53.920 immunity, stop her ability to sue many third party beneficiaries of the settlement agreement,

01:29:00.340 including ones who were known to her as her abusers at the time. And she had already said

01:29:04.880 in her complaint against Epstein at the time, she'd been trafficked out by him to royalty.

01:29:10.720 So Andrew's lawyers are going into court now to say you have to dismiss this lawsuit against him.

01:29:16.020 He was a third party beneficiary of the settlement she signed with Jeffrey Epstein years ago.

01:29:20.040 And so far, the judge doesn't seem too warm to that argument. But what are your thoughts on

01:29:27.200 Prince Andrew and how the hell he gets out of this lawsuit?

01:29:32.040 I think it's problematic for him because I don't think that that settlement that she signed with

01:29:37.620 Epstein is going to hold water against Prince Andrew. And here's why. She can be subpoenaed. 0.99

01:29:45.220 And that subpoenaed to testify in a criminal or civil trial will outweigh that private agreement,

01:29:52.020 right? It's going to pierce that private agreement.

01:29:53.360 But she's suing. She's suing him civilly. And he's saying it's barred because

01:29:57.180 you already agreed that you wouldn't sue me.

01:29:59.840 It's not, though, because that agreement, the thing that we're all looking at is that agreement

01:30:05.020 with the settlement that says, you know, she can't talk. There's nobody else involved or,

01:30:09.420 you know, the third parties. But she can be subpoenaed. 1.00

01:30:12.220 Subpoenaed. And that subpoena will trump the settlement. And she'll have to testify. 1.00

01:30:18.100 And if she testifies that Andrew was in there, the game starts all over again.

01:30:22.220 This doesn't sound right. Am I confused? Because if you bring a civil lawsuit, you're the plaintiff.

01:30:26.020 Megan, listen, as everyone knows or you know, I represent Alan Dershowitz in this matter.

01:30:32.480 And he's around it. So I listened to the hour and a half argument on the phone in front of

01:30:38.620 Judge Lewis Kaplan, who's like a storied Southern District judge who, and you're correct,

01:30:44.260 did not sound like he was leaning in Prince Andrew's direction.

01:30:48.800 But the argument was she, although at least you're correct, if she's subpoenaed,

01:30:53.820 she can be forced and satisfied. But she's the one who's bringing the suit.

01:30:57.660 And they're saying, you can't bring a suit because when you accepted $500,000, that was the end of it.

01:31:05.460 And the way Prince Andrew is uniquely situated is it refers to you can't charge anyone who's royalty.

01:31:14.240 And they're saying that was a veiled reference to Prince Andrew. He was the only one she's ever said

01:31:20.920 she's been abused by who's royalty. And royalty is Prince Andrew. You accept $500,000 in return.

01:31:29.260 You're giving up your right to sue him. You are your damages are being awarded or being rewarded or

01:31:35.360 you're being you're getting a benefit because of your damages, because of what happened to you

01:31:39.360 from Jeffrey Epstein and from Prince Andrew and from anyone else in that circle. So you give up your

01:31:46.120 rights.

01:31:46.500 Prince Andrew is not named in that settlement, just royalty, as you said. And again, if this

01:31:51.480 now goes into a criminal, which it hasn't yet, but if it goes, it could go into a criminal charge.

01:31:56.600 Forget about the civil lawsuit that goes into a criminal charge against Prince Andrew.

01:32:01.820 She will be subpoenaed.

01:32:03.300 What about the whole thing is about is about civil? I don't think he's going to get

01:32:06.420 Prince Andrew is not going to get charged.

01:32:08.160 She's trying to sue him to get money from Prince Andrew. And their argument is you already got the

01:32:12.880 money. You got the deal. This is a huge deal in the UK. Huge deal in the UK. If Prince Andrew

01:32:18.920 actually has to sit for a deposition, if he has to settle this case, God forbid, on his behalf,

01:32:24.400 if he if he had to if he were found civilly liable, stripped of royal duties, which has already

01:32:29.560 happened after that disastrous interview he gave. But I mean, he could face a lot of penalties over

01:32:34.320 there. And he could basically, especially once we have a King Charles and instead of a Queen Elizabeth,

01:32:38.320 you know, that he's already talking about narrowing the scope of who's within sort of the royal family

01:32:43.820 and gets all the benefits and all that. I mean, Prince Andrew's got a lot riding on how this case

01:32:48.240 comes out. It's fascinating to me. I got to switch gears because I only have a couple of minutes.

01:32:51.860 Talk about Elizabeth Holmes, another fascinating woman to me. I mean, she definitely, you know,

01:32:58.060 she definitely misled people. There's no question. She's found guilty of misleading investors,

01:33:02.040 though not patients. And I wonder what you think is going to happen to her and how long

01:33:07.460 she's likely looking at in terms of sentencing. Arthur, I'll start with you on that one.

01:33:12.800 I, you know, I followed the case a little bit. It was a long trial. There were a lot of witnesses.

01:33:18.200 And I mean, you know, she did assemble really smart people around her. And it doesn't sound like

01:33:27.320 it was all smoke and mirrors. It sounded like there was a real product there that she was possibly had

01:33:34.300 this blood test that was super fast, et cetera, et cetera. And, you know, there's that, as you said,

01:33:40.500 the jury has spoken, but there's that fine line between a business being a legitimate business

01:33:45.700 and then falling apart and then just straight up fraud. So I don't know this judge. I mean,

01:33:51.400 unlike the judges we're talking about here in New York, I do know those judges. But I mean,

01:33:56.020 she's not going to get a life sentence or anything like that. Do I think she's going to see the inside

01:33:59.920 of a jail cell? Yes. The people who got hurt here are not exactly like, you know, people who gave up

01:34:06.500 their pensions to invest in this. No, it's not ma and pa shop owners. Right. Exactly. But that's what

01:34:12.760 was wrong, I think, with the way the prosecution put this together is they focused primarily on the

01:34:18.920 investors and the fraud there and not on the patients. They had 32 witnesses. I think they have

01:34:24.240 three. I know they have three witnesses that were patient witnesses. You know how much time those

01:34:28.580 three witnesses actually took the stand? A total of 65 minutes for all three of them. Nine minutes

01:34:33.800 for one dentist to talk about how the test results had come back and what it did to him. I mean,

01:34:39.300 people were really hurt. Real people, not just moguls who invested with her. This woman should see

01:34:45.980 some serious time. Each count carries 20 years as a max. She won't get that. I mean, you know,

01:34:52.840 worst case scenario, they run consecutively. It won't. They'll push them all together. But I don't know.

01:34:58.060 I'm saying under five, Megan. That's my number. Under five.

01:35:00.780 Yeah, five years.

01:35:03.280 Under five.

01:35:04.020 I've seen, I've watched so many podcasts on her and so on. But there's a, there's a great,

01:35:07.980 it's on HBO Max, a documentary called The Inventor on her that I'm in the middle of now. It's just

01:35:13.280 fascinating how she managed to fool so many people. And where do we draw the line between,

01:35:17.400 you know, optimism and fraud? It raises all sorts of interesting questions. You guys,

01:35:23.080 thank you so much. It's a pleasure, Arthur and Lise. Arthur, I'll talk to you on Monday on your radio show.

01:35:28.060 Happy New Year.

01:35:29.000 Listen, don't miss the show tomorrow. We've got Sergeant Stuart Scheller. Remember him?

01:35:33.640 Spoke out about Afghanistan, forced out of the military. He's here tomorrow.

01:35:38.860 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - January 06, 2022

January 6 Obsession and Maxwell Verdict, with Comfortably Smug, Michael Duncan, Josh Holmes, Arthur Aidala, and Lis Wiehl ｜ Ep. 235

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