January 6 Obsession and Maxwell Verdict, with Comfortably Smug, Michael Duncan, Josh Holmes, Arthur Aidala, and Lis Wiehl | Ep. 235
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Summary
Kamala Harris uses January 6th, 2021 as a day to honor the Democratic National Convention, but in fact, it was a day that was marked with riots, looting, and desecration of the U.S. Capitol. And yet, no one has been charged.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. There is a lot of news to
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cover today. The craziness in Chicago and these teachers refusing to do their jobs. The lawlessness
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in New York, where we've now got New York City, a DA who doesn't much want to prosecute
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crime. It doesn't matter how many cops they put back on the streets or refund the police
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for. You can't prosecute crime if you don't have a DA who will go after it. We'll tell
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you what he's doing. But first, we start with this. The Democrats and the media, but I repeat
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myself, are going all in on January 6th. Perhaps you've noticed. Wall-to-wall coverage, dramatic
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speeches, moments of reflection, even a prayer vigil, all planned to mark the day. This is
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how the Vice President of the United States of America, Kamala Harris, described January
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Fellow Americans, good morning. Certain dates echo throughout history, including dates that
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instantly remind all who have lived through them, where they were and what they were doing
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when our democracy came under assault. Dates that occupy not only a place on our calendars,
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but a place in our collective memory. December 7th, 1941. September 11th, 2001. And January 6th,
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2021. This is absurd. That is absurd. This day does not deserve to be mentioned in the same
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breath as those other days. How dare she? How dare she? She's just the latest to try to exploit
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a dark, disturbing riot over which none of us is proud. No one thinks that was a good day or a proud
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day in America. But how dare you compare it with something as grave as the murder of 3,000 Americans
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on 9-11? Pearl Harbor. She's not the first to do it. The pundits from The Washington Post have done it.
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The Huffington Post, ABC News, MSNBC, and elsewhere have been doing it for a year. It's quite something
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to hear it directly from the Vice President, however. Look, there's no need to overstate what
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happened on that day. There's no need to overstate it. It was embarrassing. It was gross. And it was
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illegal. People rioted at the U.S. Capitol. I'm not talking about the people who went and listened
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to Trump. That's one thing. Don't lump them in. People went and listened to Trump and they're
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allowed to do that. But the people who went and rioted at the U.S. Capitol with BS claims about
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cracking and stolen ballots and all of it, the Sidney Powell line of stolen election claims,
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those people, A, were wrong, and B, those who actually engaged in violence ought to be held
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accountable. They hurt cops, they scared a lot of public servants, and they desecrated
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a revered place. Many have been prosecuted, by the way, and that's good. That's good.
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But for the record, not a single one has been charged with insurrection because this wasn't one.
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This wasn't one. Don't you think they would have charged it if they had it? They would have,
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trust me. You don't have to take my word for it. This is what the FBI, the FBI has concluded
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they've been investigating this for a year. This is how Reuters wrote up its read of their
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report. Quote, 90 to 95 percent of these, the people who were involved on January 6th,
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are one-off cases, citing a former law, senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the
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investigation. Then you have 5 percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely
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organized, but there was no grand scheme to storm the Capitol and take hostages.
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Right. We know that. The New York Times podcast, The Daily, reported the same this week. I mean,
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it's fact. They reported the same this week. They actually reenacted, it was pretty interesting,
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an FBI interview with one of the rioters. See, there wasn't an audio, it was only a written
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transcript. So they actually admitted to hiring a voice actor, voice actors, to reenact the FBI
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interview with one of these guys, a self-described lifelong Democrat, who described how he just kind of
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and got caught up in what he called the herd mentality.
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Stupid me. I've gone through this a million times in my mind as to what I was doing there
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and why what I was doing. This, this word, this, this term, herd mentality,
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is the only thing that I could say or relate to. It is just, everyone was kind of, you know,
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Now, that's why the crimes charged that day are virtually all trespass or some other petty crime.
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Those who hurt cops are facing worse and that's good. But the media and Democrats treating this
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like it's another 9-11 is wrong. No one other than Trump supporter Ashley Babbitt was killed that day.
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Some people died of natural causes. And the Democrats, including Biden, including President
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Biden, continue to tout the case of Officer Brian Sicknick as another example of an example of a cop
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being killed by the rioters. But it's not true. He was not killed by rioters that day or any other.
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He died of natural causes as well. Something the media continues to try to ignore or actively
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misrepresent. I, for one, am sick of the misrepresentations. It was what it was.
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It does not deserve a full day of vigils and moments of silence and comparisons to 9-11.
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I think those of us who knew people who died on 9-11 or who lived through it ourselves are really kind
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of sick of that. It's disrespectful to the families. Go read Deb Burlingame in the Wall Street Journal if
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you don't believe me. Her brother was captaining the flight that crashed into the Pentagon and she
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doesn't want to hear this talk anymore. They want to change the subject from what's happening with
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COVID, what's happening with crime, what's happening coast to coast in this country when it comes to
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our economy, the supply chain crisis, inflation and so on. And the cable nets want to inflate
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their ratings. Have you seen the numbers for CNN and MSNBC? They're at record lows and they were at
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record highs when they covered January 6th. It was right up their alley. It confirmed all their darkest
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beliefs about all Trump supporters and all Republicans. And now a chance to relive it
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is too delicious for them to ignore. That's what's happening. That's what's happening as you watch TV
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and pick up your morning paper and see the ubiquitous coverage of this. Now the Democrats are even talking
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about trying to make this into a primetime Watergate like hearing, openly talking about what the ratings
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for that would be. They want their moment in the sun. They want to look like little government watchdogs
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are going to hold the awful people to account. Never mind all of the stories that they have memory
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hold, right? When it comes to the Black Lives Matters riots that happened that killed a lot of cops whose
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names will not be mentioned, right? What happened in the Midwest in the wake of the Kyle Rittenhouse
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verdict? When when this man mowed down a lot of innocent people? No, we don't get to talk about
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that. And I could go on. Joining me now to discuss it all back by popular demand, by the way, because
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we've had so much fun with them during their last appearances, the hosts of the Ruthless podcast,
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which you must must listen to if you don't. They're great. Michael Duncan, Josh Holmes, and the man known to
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his Twitter quote minions as comfortably smug, smug as we call him. He told us last time he hides his
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identity so he doesn't have to deal with upset lefties all the time. You guys. So do I have it
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right? I mean, this is no one's defending January 6th, but the treating of this like it's the anniversary
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of 9-11 to me is disgusting. Yeah. I mean, look, your monologue was like a batting practice.
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Yeah, it's dead on. I mean, I feel like you hit all of the high marks. I mean, no question about it.
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The thing is, if you have any question about the way that these are these guys are handling this,
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turn on CNN for like one second and look at the chyron, right? I don't care what time a day today
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you do that. It'll tell you everything about how they view this. And you said it in your monologue.
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This is a day that they had the highest ratings that they've ever had. And that's what they're
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trying to do. They're trying to squeeze more blood out of that stone. Unfortunately, it comes at the
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cost of an incredible misrepresentation about what we ought to be feeling and thinking about today.
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Right. It's the, when you go back and look, I actually had my team pull the ratings and they
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celebrated, I mean, completely, you know, kind of gross. They celebrated their high ratings on
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January 6th, right after, which was gross. But if you look at sort of, I'm trying to pull up my email
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of the actual ratings that they've been enjoying lately. They literally at record lows. I'll tell you
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guys, if I got anything near these ratings, I would have been fired. The Fox News would have fired my
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ass. I would have been embarrassed to put these numbers on the board, but they're down at like,
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they're not even at 600,000 in the overall, in the overall, are you kidding me? I used to get 600,000
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in the demo, 25 to 54. This is pre-Trump when you actually had to work for your ratings.
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And so they're salivating at the prospect of good numbers.
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It's shameless. It's absolutely shameless on the part of the media to try to pump their ratings.
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It's shameless of Kamala Harris to sit there now and she's suddenly going to be tough on crime again
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when during that summer of violence and rioting across the country where they're burning down
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police stations in Minnesota, and she's promoting a bail fund for violent rioters. Those are people
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who got out of jail because of the promotion of Kamala Harris or this bail fund, and then they
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re-offend it, violently hurt people, attacked people. And so that wasn't an insurrection.
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Across the country. And now she's going to sit there now and say, oh, well, you know,
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January 6th is Pearl Harbor. My grandfather fought in World War II. God rest his soul,
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but I'm sure he'd be offended by that characterization. Not the same thing.
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And I think it's absolutely important that Kamala Harris be called out for that is there's a lot of
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younger folks who've now come of age who have no memory of September 11th. They don't remember what
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that day felt like, the absolute horror of that day, of how that day went on and on. We were looking
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for survivors in the rubble. That's a great point. The number kept going up. That is collective trauma
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for a country. Unbelievable. That many people who were murdered. And to ever compare a moment like
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that. And I think it's important that we let people know that the comparison between January 6th and
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September 11th is so not just absurd, but obscene. And I would imagine, you know, folks who were
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alive during Pearl Harbor feel the same way. Like, I would be shocked to compare a day when we had
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so many American soldiers murdered. The Statuary Hall, for example, on Capitol Hill right now is full
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of cameras. And this is going to be, you know, where where they reflect on January 6th, a year later.
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Yeah, Megan, I don't know if you saw this. They had a picture out this morning of Statuary Hall. I know,
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you know, you've covered State of the Unions and you know how that's kind of the place where all the
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cameras assemble for no other time other than a State of the Union. You look at that thing today,
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it looks like a State of the Union. It's got a full CNN set in the damn thing. What's the purpose
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of this? I mean, what? Why are they trying to elevate? And all those people, those people in
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Statuary Hall, those Democrats who are going to sit there and compare January 6th to 9-11 or to Pearl
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Harbor. When the riots were going on in the summer with BLM in 2020, they were in Statuary Hall,
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kneeling in Kenty cloths, doing nothing, stopping nothing. There were 2,000 officers who were
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grievously injured and hurt in those riots that summer. And no one is talking about what
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they go through. No one is talking about so many small businesses across this country were burned
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down. And back to what you were saying earlier, Megan, about COVID and, you know, how frustrated
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people are. Go back to 2020. That summer, you had people locked in their homes and you had people
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in the medical establishment saying, you know what? It's actually okay. It's okay to go out into the
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streets and aid these people who are burning down American cities because BLM is more important
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than fighting COVID. The people who are locking in your home. So, so people are experiencing that
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cognitive dissonance in real time. And of course they got frustrated, right?
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Yeah, no, exactly. And it's the same thing to me as like Anthony Fauci wanting people to lose their
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jobs if they don't get a vaccine, which we know doesn't even prevent COVID while he's raking in 400
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plus thousand dollars a year. So he wants you fired. He wants firefighters fired and nurses
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fired and doctors fired. And he's going to sit there collecting his $400,000 a year judging everyone
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for not getting the vaccine, even if they've had natural community immunity. The, the, the incongruity,
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right? And the out of touch nature of the, of our so-called leaders is infuriating. The irregular
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American doesn't give a damn about marking the anniversary of January 6th. They don't care only
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the most partisan, hardcore leftists want to spend this day reflecting on the morons who painted
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their faces and went inside and took a dump inside of the Capitol. I think, I think that's a great
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point. I think that also says a lot of why this administration is so fixated on making today an
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event is if you look at the facts, what has Joe Biden's first year in office been marked by? You saw an
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absolute horrific disaster in Afghanistan where people are dying, falling off of planes, trying
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to escape because he had no plan, no idea what he was doing there. You're looking right now in this
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country where we're hitting record cases of Corona virus, the guy who was elected saying he's going
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to shut down the virus. He was given vaccines, right? He was already given a plan. We already knew
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what was going on. And there are more people who have died under his watch than under president Trump,
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who didn't have a vaccine, who put into place a program to develop vaccines. And Joe Biden, of
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course, he doesn't want to talk about that. He doesn't want to talk about how prices at the
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grocery store are expensive, how we have supply chain issues in this country. I mean, he sounded
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like Marie Antoinette the other day when he was like, oh, hamburger costs $5 a pound. Let him eat
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hamburger. He didn't care. So what they have to do is change the focus because everyday Americans,
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they're looking around and they're seeing we have a lot of problems. That's why his approval rating
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is in the dumpster. So they can't talk about anything about all of this is it's not working
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like it's not working at all. Right. I mean, we had an election in Virginia where the former
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governor, McAuliffe, tried to run against Glenn Youngkin on exactly this issue on exactly the
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sort of Trump, Trump, Trump, January 6th. Republicans are evil. And people were like, you know what?
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My kids can't go to school and I can't pay for groceries. I'm a little bit more, a little
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bit more interested in that, you know, and then. Right. But you expand it out and it looks
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like almost everything that smug just went through has been a disaster for this administration
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and they actually don't have a hook anywhere else. I mean, you look at the congressional
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schedule. Schumer actually this week made the argument that because of January 6th,
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we should be passing a federal takeover of our elections. I don't know if you remember the
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underpants gnome from South Park. It's like, here's one thing, here's another. And somehow
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they come together. I don't know how to make sense of any of that. But the only thing that
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they've got, the only thing that they've got is this argument on January 6th and previous
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administration policies. And it's just disgusting. Nobody's buying it.
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You make a good point, Smug, about Afghanistan because it's like, oh, OK, so when we get to
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August of this year, are we going to take a moment? Are we going to spend the day having
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vigils and thinking back and praying on the 13 Marines who are needlessly killed?
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Exactly. What a great point. How about them? Because right now,
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on January 6th, it was Ashley Babbitt, who was a Trump supporter, who was shot
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by a cop under sort of disturbing circumstances all around, to be perfectly honest. And she's
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the only one who was actually killed that day as a result of the rioting, other than the folks who
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died, had heart attacks and so on. So, yeah. OK, let's see. Do you want to stop and commemorate
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every big moment in which people have died? We can do that for all the hundreds of thousands
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who have died from covid under Joe Biden's watch. Let's do that. When are we going to do that?
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And you talk about Kamala Harris. Yes, she went. She went and she sat with the with Jacob Blake,
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who had resisted arrest, who had digitally raped his girlfriend, who had endangered a cop,
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a couple of cops, not to mention his children and his own. She went and sat with him because he got
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shot by a police officer. Did she go see the the people in Waukesha who the families of those who
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were killed by that man who got into the car and mowed them down? No, she didn't. Did she mention
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any of them when she took the microphone? It's like the situational ethics. Right. We care about
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this group, but we don't care about that. And why? Because they only exploit the ones that help them
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politically. It's the most cynical thing ever. And I go. And that's so right on. The other night,
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actually, I was watching a documentary about Afghanistan, the Taliban takeover after Joe Biden's
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just absolute disaster of a mess over there. And I think it's important that folks remember
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how that happened. I know we were all horrified, but this administration has done everything they
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can to try to change the subject. They don't want anyone to remember that we had we had 13 soldiers
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killed. They were needlessly murdered. We gave up Bagram Air Force. Yeah. His decision making led to
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their deaths. And his only answer was to drone strike a van full of kids. Right. That's all he's
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accomplished. Like the fact that that lowered the world's America's standing in the eyes of the
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world so much that it's no coincidence you're seeing issues around the world where China's
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been emboldened in terms of looking towards Taiwan and Russia and Russia's Ukraine because everyone
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knows globally America's standing has gone down significantly. And that's why the Biden administration
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wants to change the subject. That's why they want to talk about anything except their accomplishments,
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because there haven't been any. Right. It's only been disasters. Mm hmm. It's is a chance to change
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the subject. And as the Democrat leadership goes, so goes CNN and MSNBC and all of the other
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mainstream channels. You know, they're like, yes, I don't even know if they are genuine, genuinely as
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horrified as they say they are in addition to seeing a ratings opportunity or if it's just pure
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commercial opportunity. Like, I genuinely don't know if they believe what they say when they
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compare it to nine eleven. I saw a tweet that was resurfaced recently from January 7th of last year
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where CNN, their comms shop, tweeted up yesterday was our highest ratings day ever. Yeah, exactly.
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Which is a hundred percent. That's that's the motivate. Like, can you imagine if Fox News had
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done that on nine twelve two thousand one? Can you imagine the insensitive if this really were a Pearl
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Harbor, if this really were a nine eleven CNN, even their dumbest public publicity person?
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And there's a lot to choose from there. Even their dumbest would know not to do that. They knew it
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wasn't that bad. It was not. Listen, I'm not trying to downplay it, but I'm actually kind of sick of
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people having to say that, too. You know what I mean? Like, I listen to a lot of even conservative
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podcasts. No, no, no one's been harder on January 6th than I have. And, you know, I would. It's like,
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all right, could you just so I can get to the point, you know, like they're afraid of getting
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criticized by the mainstream or by the Democrats for like not being sufficiently outraged about
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January 6th. Just stop it. Stop pandering to these people. You'll never be outraged enough to
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satisfy them. That's that's that's the way it is. And that's the way it's always been, Megan. So,
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you know, I feel like the way that we've dealt with it at Ruthless is we addressed it and we said
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any time the media tries to bait you into a conversation longer about January 6th is a day
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that you're not winning. The fact that Joe Biden has zero accomplishments. Right. Let's talk about
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that. Let's talk about it every day until the midterms, because I think if we do that, we're
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going to have historic red wave gains. The reason that Joe Biden's approval rating is at an all time
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low is not because of January 6th is because his administration has shown that they are they are
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way in over their heads. They have no idea what they're doing. They're going from disaster
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after disaster. The pandemic has gotten worse under his watch when he was elected supposedly to to end
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the pandemic. And we might not even be at the bottom of it because now you finally have the
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Northeast, the Acela corridor, all of these places who for the last, you know, two years, you know,
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thought covid only happened to those rubes in the south, those MAGA Trump people. That's right.
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They're getting Omicron. And so so now they have to change their entire worldview on the issue.
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Right. And they're trying to get tests. Right. And they're trying to get monoclonal antibodies
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and they can't. The other day. So Chris Eliza from CNN puts out this tweet where he was like,
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I'm stunned for so long. It felt like, you know, people who got covid, it was a moral failure
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on their part for getting covid. When we did everything right and we get covid. It's like
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this is your part of the media arm, which is pushing this messaging, trying to other,
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you know, folks who are suffering. And it's just for their own purpose, for the Dems covering,
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for the failures of this administration. You put your finger on it, Megan, when you said
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selective ethics. Right. They have very, very situational ethics policy when it applies to
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anything and everything that they care about, everything from the crime that they choose
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to prosecute to the issues that they seek to highlight to the constituencies that they seek
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to other, as Smug just said. And we have spent the last 12 months now basically blaming the South
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for the rise of the coronavirus. And he's still, by the way, two days ago, the Washington Post fronted
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another piece about the Southeast and coronavirus. I was like, you want to walk outside your door
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at the Washington Post? I mean, every can't this place grounded in Corona and they're pointing down
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in Georgia and Florida. I mean, you got to be kidding me. Yeah. Per capita, D.C. is worse than any
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country on earth in terms of cases. And the Washington Post is talking about the Southeast.
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They can't. They can't let go. It's just like how everything is still Trump's fault. I mean,
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even before January 6th, you know, they'd find a way to lead the news with Trump. What do you think
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of Trump? Could Trump come back? And if Trump doesn't necessarily work, then it's Tucker Carlson.
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What? Let's talk about somebody who rates. All right, wait, I want to let me pause it there so I can
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squeeze in a quick break. And then back, we're going to talk about 350,000 students in our nation's
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third largest school system sitting at home after school was canceled again today. Thanks to,
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and this is saying something, the most selfish teachers union in the country. That's next.
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So they're back at it in Chicago, guys. Can you believe, can we just start? I didn't get to play
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it yesterday. And whenever I can play it, I want to play it. I don't know, Debbie, do we have it?
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The dancers? All right, she's going to pull it over. She's going to pull it over. Because
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the same teachers union, all right, the same group of teachers who told us they could not teach last
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last year. And then they were found down, like out of town. They left Chicago and they went
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next to pools. Oh, this is the one lady. Okay. Sarah Chambers, that was her name. She's actually
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on the executive board of the Chicago's teacher union. And last year, this is the same teachers
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union that's shutting down school now for 350,000 kids. Last year, she urged even special education
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teachers to refuse to return to work. Screw those disabled children, because it would be unsafe for her
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and for the other teachers. Then just hours after stating that, she was busted for vacationing
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after posting a photo on Instagram of a pool in Puerto Rico, captioned, spending the last day of
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2020 by the poolside. Too dangerous to work in person, but not too dangerous to be poolside. Yeah,
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she's still part of Chicago's union board. And that helps explain why you've got, you know,
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pushing on half a million kids sitting their asses at home in Illinois instead of in school
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learning where they should be because these teachers refuse to teach.
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We've spent a lot of time on Ruthless on this topic over the last year for obvious reasons.
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Our listeners are intensely interested in their kids being educated, as I'm sure every parent in
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America is. But this is kind of the worst of this entitlement mentality union activism that we've
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seen anywhere in the country. Chicago, not surprisingly, is the worst here. But if you think about the
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amount of money that the federal government, that Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and the rest of them said
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that they were allocating in that first totally partisan COVID package to reopen our schools. I mean,
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we're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars. You could have rebuilt every school in America,
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right? None of it apparently has any impact on the teachers whatsoever, right? I mean, somehow,
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I don't know where the money went. We did a segment actually on today's show about how this was finding
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its way into critical race theory consultants and other things. But it certainly isn't going to make
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sure that the kids go back to school. It is one of the biggest outrages of a mountain of outrages that
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we've had with this administration. I mean, we like the report on today's show that we had is millions
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have been given to critical race theory consultants. When so much so much money was given to these schools
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to reopen, they could have like space stations teaching our kids. But instead, this is what they
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spent their money on. And now they're just refused to teach. It's like it's like a robbery. They took the
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money in rent. I mean, the most offensive thing to me is that you had the teachers unions retconning
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what they did, you know, during 2020 on COVID and closing our schools and making sure our kids don't
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learn. And there was just the Randy... Weingarten. Weingarten. Yep. Yeah. Just a month ago in New York,
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there was a profile about, oh, how actually, you know, she fought the hardest to keep kids in school,
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which of course is bull, absolute bull. And now we see, you know, the proof here in Chicago.
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I think the one thing people have to remember is that these school closures and virtual schooling
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hurts like black and brown and poor kids the most. Oh, absolutely. It is the most devastating to their
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learning experience. And so the idea that a Democratic Party would hurt inner city kids
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is just offensive. Well, again, it goes back to the situational ethics. Right. Right. Right. In this
00:27:19.320
situation, the union is the friend. More important. Right. The people we gave hundreds of billions of
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dollars saying schools have never been safe. We got to change everything. But let me ask you all this.
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Let me ask you, is that true? Because in this situation, it's unusual and it's awesome. But Mayor
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Lori Lightfoot, who's a Democrat, who's, you know, she's on the opposite side of like the cops and the
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crime and the CRT and all that. But on this issue, she's been great. And she's like, get your asses
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back in there. Here's a quote. Let me just read you what she says. She says, if you care about our
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students, if you care about our families as we do, we will not relent. Enough is enough. We're
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standing firm. We're going to fight to get our kids back to in-person learning, period, full stop.
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And yet you've got the teachers. And by the way, I have them and they're dancing now. This is their
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protest last year trying to prove to us why they couldn't teach. Here they are. Stand by. Watch.
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Incredible. Oh my God, you guys. Safety is essential. I can't. Keep our students and our teachers safe.
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I'm getting secondhand embarrassment. Yes, same. Okay, I'm sorry, but if you're not watching the
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show on YouTube, you've got to go to YouTube.com and watch this later. You must. They're looking
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at Mayor Lightfoot saying, it's not safe. These are young, able-bodied people, by the way.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you why. And it's not because Mayor Lightfoot has just become a
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closet conservative. The politics are written all over this thing. We have seen an uprising across
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this country at the localist of local levels, all the way up to the federal level of parents
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saying, the hell with you. The hell with your keeping our kids at home, not teaching. They're
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literally watching their kids' futures be stolen from them by these unions. And now they're voting,
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right? I mean, we said, damn near won the New Jersey governorship.
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And I think it's important to note, especially in the case of Lightfoot, is you saw in the days
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after Glenn Youngkin won in Virginia where Dems all of a sudden just started having comments about
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the crime spree in this country where they're like, you know what? Maybe something should be
00:29:39.000
done about crime when the same elected officials, one of those same Dems were pushing defund the
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police. Right. We're trying to take apart the systemically racist justice system that we have
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in this country and we can't have police out on the streets. So I don't think we should be happy
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that they've changed their minds. I think what's important is accountability. You have to hold these
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people accountable. They were part of the problem. There's a reason that police face such a tough
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situation in this country where the NYPD cannot meet their numbers for how many police officers they
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need because folks are retiring early. No one is applying because who would want to be in that
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situation? You've had New York police officers who were killed. They were assassinated sitting in their
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patrol car because of this environment that Dems have created. This pandemic of crime which is
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evocated. And all teachers being smeared with the decisions that Chicago is using too is I think
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completely ridiculous. I'd like to extrapolate out. Imagine for those teachers who think that this is
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too dangerous for them to teach our children. I'd like for them to just sort of picture a world where
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people who pick up your garbage have that same point of view. People who deliver your packages
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have that same point of view. The grocers have that same. In fact, the people who pack the meat
00:30:49.280
and send the and send the vegetables and get everything to you that you can freaking survive
00:30:54.120
for crying out loud. What if those people had that same point of view that they simply couldn't leave
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their home unless they were going to go on a horribly embarrassing dancing trip in Florida?
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I mean, what if? What if the guy at the liquor store suddenly said, I'm not doing it?
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Well, then we'd all be going to work. Ruthless would be in big trouble.
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The program would cease to exist, man. The variety program. No, that's a bridge too far. We don't
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need to imagine that. And to your point, it's not all teachers. It's like some losers and then the
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union that decides we're just not doing it. And there was a guy on Tucker Carlson's show last night
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who he's sick and he wants to teach. He wants to spend his remaining time teaching children. I
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think we pulled the soundbite. Here he is. Take a listen.
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I joined the Chicago Public Schools as a teacher, first and foremost as a teacher. And my role,
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I believe my role should be inside the classroom with my students. Should not be in the picket line.
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I did not join CPS to be a union member, first and foremost, to be a teacher. And secondly,
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I believe that there are ways to fight City Hall. You don't dangle the plight of the kids
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in the middle of the fight just to seek your demands.
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It's a good reminder, right? Because it's like you see these unions and you're like,
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God, they're awful. And then you drop your own kid off at school. Thank God we're in a position
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where all three of ours are going. And we love our teachers. They're amazing. They haven't missed a
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day. They wouldn't miss a day. Yep. And they try to find ways to make it work, right? I mean,
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that's the difference between a true educator and somebody who's trying to get out of their job.
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And fortunately, I think around this country, you've got a lot of people who got into teaching for the
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right reasons and they're trying to make it work and their communities are helping them, right?
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I mean, that's the other thing that we found is that all politics got really local in a hurry
00:32:48.400
with coronavirus, right? And when they're shutting down businesses and the federal government
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telling you what's essential and what's not, and whether your kids can go to school and what's not,
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like you begin to band together at some level. And I think that's been helpful in terms of us
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understanding what the curriculum is in these schools, by the way.
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Right. I mean, we wouldn't even know about critical race theory if it wasn't for coronavirus.
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Very true. The last thing that they want is for us to get another peek inside the classroom
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because I guarantee you they haven't stopped that nonsense and they need to keep us out of there,
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at least through November of 22. You know, the American people will react the same. All right.
00:33:22.740
Meanwhile, the mass craziness continues. And can I just show you what my old friends at NBC
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are now suggesting you do when it comes to masking? This is a clip from the Today Show Soundbite 6.
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They go all the way over your head. Not the most comfortable, but very, very snug. Not a lot of
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air is getting in between the sides of my cheeks or the tops of my cheeks. He says, obviously,
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the KN95 and N95 are the most effective, but it can be really hard to find them in small kid sizes
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and also to keep them on your kids all day. They're not the most comfortable. So the second best option
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is to make sure you have a kid's size surgical mask and you want to layer the cloth mask over
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that mask. So the mask goes on first and then the cloth mask.
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I got a lot easier way for these experts to give this recommendation. Just hold your breath,
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ladies. Just hold it. Just hold your breath. Stop with the breathing.
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Corona. I promise you won't get Corona. Just hold it until you pass out. I mean,
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how dystopian, right? Like how dystopian. We're like, all right, well,
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now we got the perfect solution to this. We got more kid size masks and put them in two
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and, you know, just, it's just so much performative theater in this. We have known.
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It's like, tell me you've never been around small children. Right.
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Tell me you've been. Right. And we've been like, oh, your kid will wear this all day long.
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Yeah. Yeah. My two, my two year old, I have a two and a half year old. My two and a half
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year old is going to wear two masks, let alone one. And we know from the science as the liberals who say
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they want us to trust the science and follow the science that COVID isn't as dangerous to little kids.
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And along those lines, I think it's very important. We've seen a ton of polling that's
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come out about viewpoints for what COVID is like bipartisan lines. And they polled Democrats and 50
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percent of Democrats think that if you contract COVID, you're going to the emergency room.
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Like this is like, where has this delusion come from? And the fact that it continues to be fostered
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that like it's a death sentence. And only recently they're having to change that because Omicron is
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so transmissible that it's no longer something that they can blame as a moral failure of these
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groups. It's becoming the security with the kids, especially, which I think is the most egregious
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thing in all of this. It's becoming part. Remember the shoe bomber on the airplane? And then we
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suddenly had to take off our shoes everywhere. TSA. Right. Right. And now the security theater
00:35:40.260
of COVID is let's double mask the kids who are based on the statistics, not going to be hospitalized
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and not die from. Yeah. Right. Oh, that's perfect. Right. It's just obscene. It's just psychosis that
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we're dealing with. There was a there was a New York Times reporter. I'm trying to find it here. But
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yeah. National education reporter for the New York Times, Dana Goldstein, who tweeted out
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our pre-K wants kids. OK, first of all, leave our pre-K wants kids in KN95 masks.
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My four year old has a tiny face and everywhere I am checking is sold out. Help links. And Bethany
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Mandel, who you guys know, she's great. She responded. Every four year old has a tiny face
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that shouldn't be in a medical grade mask or any mask. And she goes on from there. But
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right. Like, yes, there's a reason you can't find those because no one in their right mind
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thought of putting them on little children to prevent them from getting COVID.
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And that's another thing is that the United States is the only Western country that's requiring
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children to be masked. This is not happening in France. No other country has a position in place
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that three year olds should be masked. And more recently, I saw in New York City, you had kids
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out in 34 degree weather eating their lunch, sitting on the floor outside. We're committing
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child abuse. That's a virtue signal right now. That's what's happening in this country.
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Well, Megan, we talked with several months back. I know somebody you've had on as well. Dr.
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Marty McCary, who was talking about sort of the ancillary problems that you create with this
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mask. Even if you're trying to solve the problem of let's just let's hypothetically suggest that it
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works. It doesn't. We already know. Let's say it doesn't. The ancillary problem that you have with
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emotional development with children, not being able to read their friends faces, not being able
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to understand when their teachers are happy, angry, want them to try harder at something. There's no
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emotional IQ development whatsoever. And so, like, look, the problem that you are creating
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in many, many ways is a thousand times worse than any problem that you sought to solve in the first
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place. And I don't understand, like, from my standpoint as a parent with two young boys,
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like, it's not difficult to understand. Just take a step back and look at it. And you're like,
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oh, yeah, logically, that makes total sense. These idiots can't do that.
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Mm hmm. No, it's we're in a situation now where if you can get past the teachers union
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and actually get the doors of your school open, then you get there and you're behind
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plexiglass and you're six feet away from everyone there. And you're now going to have to wear double
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masks or a KN95 mask. And then you will be sit and told that you're terrible because of your skin
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color if you happen to be white or incapable of achieving success on your own if you happen to be
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black. That's the state of America's education system right now. Also, I read a really interesting
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article recently about those KN95 masks where Amazon, other retailers have been flooded with
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these fake bootleg masks, which are manufactured in China, which is the country whose government
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covered up this disease at the global pandemic. Every country on earth has to deal with the
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cover up to begin with. The money's going right back. Unbelievable. Can I tell you something?
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I didn't know the difference between the N95 and the KN95. I just looked it up. Do you have
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you guys do you guys know like the KN95 is a Korean manufactured masks, which have not passed
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the same U.S. like NIOSH testing. But they say that the fit on the KN95, they say that the fit on
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the KN95 is it has to be built in like you might not get as good a fit, I guess, on the N95. I don't
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know. But it like there are people who are studying this and who are actually ordering KN95s over the N95s
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because they think they're going to get some extra layer of protection, like as if the N95 wouldn't
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be good enough for you and your child. And that brings me to do we have Nicole Wallace? Do we have
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do we have that? Oh, my favorite soundbite of the of the week. This will be great. Favorite soundbite
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of the week. And just listen. I'm a Fauci groupie. I'm a thrice vaccinated mask adherent. I buy KN95 masks
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by the, you know, caseload. They're in every pocket. I wear them everywhere except when I sit down
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and I am certain that this is not a variant I can outrun.
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OK, I love the except when I sit down because COVID only affects the standards. That's a long
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known truth. Like the policy in a restaurant where you wear the mask until you get to the
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table and sit next to people and then you take it off. Thank God I'm sitting again. It can't get me.
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It is an incredible it's an incredible it's a perfect example of the liberal psychosis that
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COVID has created that she feels like she has to spend a full minute with a wind up explaining
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all of her virtue of how she did all the right things. Yeah. Right. Like I was one of the good
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ones. I'm not one of these rubes in the South. Right. Like we have all been going through the same
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thing for two years together. We were all in this together. Right. Oh, we're on it together.
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She feels betrayed when. Right. Right. She's betrayed by the violent virus. She was very loyal
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to the Fauci, you know, mandates and so on. And this is bullshit because she she she's been betrayed
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by COVID. My favorite one lately, CDC last week came out or I think it was just a few days ago. They
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came out with this new guidance that you can't if you get the the Omicron wire, you can't take the
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the PCR test. You got to go back to the antigen test. But for the last nine months, you couldn't
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take the antigen test. You could only really diagnose things with the PCR. Is there a single
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thing in all of this discussion since the very beginning of February 2020 that hasn't either
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been reversed or substantially changed in terms of its guidance? Any. Well, I remember the World
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Health Organization was in February 2020 told us that COVID-19 can't be transmitted human. Yeah,
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wasn't transmitted human to human. Right. And then the CDC. This is recently we talked
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about this on an episode of Ruthless recently. CDC finally comes out and says, you know, I mean,
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basically we wanted when we went with lockdowns, we went with the amount of time we thought you
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would you willingly do what we could get away based on any science. It wasn't 30 days, 90 days a year.
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You know, it was OK. Well, we think people won't, you know, uprise in the streets if we say 14 days
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to slow the spread. So now there's now there's a sociologist. Yeah, that's the that's the science.
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You got to trust the science. Yep. I mean, I truly I don't know whether because the 10 days
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was made up to the 10 day quarantine now that they've that was made up. So I genuinely don't
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know. Do they actually believe you won't transmit it after five days now or are is this just the
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secret? We want everyone to get Omicron because this is the one to get and we're going to finally
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beat this thing with herd immunity. I think what happened is that the media and the Dems
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messaging that you are a bad person and you did the wrong things. If you got COVID completely fell
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apart, given how transmissible Omicron is. And so it's funny that the rules have to be changed
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once they the good folks can catch it. Once the folks who are counting on I can work from home with
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the laptop and just get, you know, my delivery from Uber Eats. I'm one of the good ones.
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Once they are now having to face it. Wait a minute. The rules absolutely have to. Oh,
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yeah. Well, that's crazy. I have to go out. That's a great point. I mean,
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if you follow the full narrative recall, I mean, the only reason that Joe Biden's president right now
00:43:09.160
is because of his pledge to the American people that all things would be cured COVID if he was the
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person sitting behind the resolute desk in the Oval Office. Right. I mean, that was that was the
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pledge. And then quickly that all fell apart and realized that that's impossible. And so,
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as Smug just said, all the standards begun changing. You had to figure out who's the other
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group. Right. So it's like, all right, well, let's let's say that's the Trump supporters that
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are vaccine hesitant. They're the ones that are creating the continued virus. Well, I mean,
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statistics don't bear it out. You had just as much hesitancy in African-American communities
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and inner cities than you did in rural areas and red states. But they had to create that other
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group. But now with Omicron, it's gone to another another step. As Smug just explained,
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now you can't you actually can't avoid it. So we need a new explanation. Yeah. Right. It's like we
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could stop it. If you have to find something good about Omicron, this is it. It's like the great
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equalizer. It's brought these elites down to earth and shown them that anyone can get this thing.
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And by the way, that was true during Delta. The vaccinated could catch it and the vaccinated
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could communicate it to somebody else. Yeah, that was true with Delta. And it's just undeniably true
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with Omicron, which I'm again, I hate to say there's something good about one of the variants,
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but this one's it's kind of something good because people are going to have to admit the truth
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and get real about our policies. I think it's incredible that Joe Biden was able to just hop off
00:44:40.520
his plane and say there's no federal solution for covid and then jump on a helicopter to go to his
00:44:46.280
beach house, like from one vacation to the other, says there's no federal solution to this when he
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ran explicitly blaming Trump. Yeah. Yeah. Trump is the reason covid is bad and I will fix it.
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And the media has not held him to account at all. Of course, that is incredible.
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It's spectacular. They completely took his his marching orders and ran with, you know,
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no president can fix this. Anywho, look over here. January 6th. It was terrible.
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Exactly. Remember. All right. Stand by, you guys. Let me squeeze in a break. More with the guys
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from Ruthless coming up. And don't forget, everyone, you can catch the Megan Kelly show
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And by the way, you can hear our very first interview with these guys, episode 191 in our
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So now, you know how they changed the definition of fully vaccinated from two shots to, you know,
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got to have three, including the booster. Now, Fauci says yesterday or the other day,
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we're going to change it from fully vaccinated to have you kept your vaccinations up?
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So it's like having a dog, you know, have you gotten all your shots and all your shots? It could
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just keep changing. Could be four, could be five. And this, as there continues to be major reluctance
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amongst that five to 11 year old parent group, you know, that we're allowed to vaccinate those
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very young kids now. And only something like 25 percent of the country has done that. Most parents
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are like, yeah, no, my kid faces zero risk from COVID. Notwithstanding all these bullshit reports about
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record numbers of children in the hospital, thanks to COVID. It's a lie. They're in the hospital
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with COVID. They test everyone who goes into the hospital. So if you have a broken leg and you have
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COVID, you count as a kid in the hospital with COVID. But they report it like it's because of
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COVID. Anyway, and here's what the White House is apparently doing to try to jack up those kid
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vaccinations. Watch this promo video from the White House.
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Is it safer to play with my friends if I'm vaccinated?
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Oh, you know what? It is. And it's so important to play with your friends, right? Your parents and
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your teachers have been doing lots of things to keep you guys safe. And this will make it a little
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I'm excited to play with my friend Dorothy and my other friends at school because they said when we all get
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I mean, to present it like that, like, oh, well, everything this administration and our teachers
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I mean, you've got the teachers unions holding kids hostage right now in Chicago, right? And you've
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got videos like that, which is basically a hostage video.
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It's yet again, do this thing and we will let you have your...
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And then, you know what? If we all did it, then they'd change it again, right?
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Yeah. As if you can't have a play date as a child with another child unless you've all
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been vaccinated. What kind of BS is this? These are lies.
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It's all lies, but it's based on an initial lie that is perpetuated because of the liberal
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left and Anthony Fauci and everything else. And it's this misunderstanding of what a coronavirus
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actually is, right? I mean, what this is is never going to be eradicated from the face
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of the planet. It's not. You get immunity for it. It lasts forever. You know what the
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other coronaviruses are called? The flu. It's been around forever, right? And they're colds
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and flus and you end up getting a shot if you want one, no shot if you don't want one. If
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you're not vulnerable, it's not even really all that recommended. That's the nature of
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what we face here. Now, granted, it was more transmissible than the flu and it had a slightly
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higher death rate at one point than the flu. Omicron does not, right? But the failure to
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be honest about that conversation has created at least half of this country that is fundamentally
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out of touch with the reality that they face. And so they make videos like that, right?
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Those children have far less of a risk from COVID than fully vaccinated adults. And even
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when you're vaccinated with Omicron, you're just as likely to spread it. Much more with
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the guys. After this quick break, we're going to get into crime. Don't go away.
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Before we get into crime, a couple more things on COVID. Days after AOC is spotted vacationing
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in Florida, she has to leave New York in the circumstances she helped create here where we
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all have to wear masks all the time and everyone has a mandatory vaccination policy, even if you
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deliver a pizza now in some parts of New York or you lose your job. She goes to Florida for some
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relief. Understood. But then Eric Swalwell, same thing. Representative from the state of California,
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including parts of San Francisco Bay Area. He goes to Florida. He's seen maskless. This guy's
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been a huge proponent of looking to join his time in the sunshine state last week. Just last week,
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he blamed the Republicans for canceled vacations and saying we have to wear masks everywhere again
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because of these guys, Republican liars. And there he is down at the Lowe's Miami Beach Hotel.
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Apparently DeSantis, Governor DeSantis said the hypocrisy extends beyond these two. He said there's
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probably about a half a dozen governors who have restrictions on their people that were spotted
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at various points in Florida recently. Unreal. What do you make of it? At least the Chinese
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intelligence op knows where to find Swalwell these days. Oh my gosh, what a scumbag. He's amongst
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the worst. AOC just sort of speaks for herself. I mean, she is what she is, right? She's a left-wing
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lunatic. Oh, you're just saying that because you want her. Oh yeah, that's right. That's right,
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man. I forgot. That's part of the deal, right? Everybody that criticizes her wants to date her.
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Can you imagine having Thanksgiving dinner with AOC? Holy smokes. It's sort of just the classic,
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you know, do as I say, not as I do that we see in this entire pandemic from the left. I mean,
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all the way back to Chris Cuomo. Remember that where he was, oh, we're going to quarantine in
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the basement and then all the, because he got COVID and then all the pictures come out of him maskless
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outside the house and then CNN does this just like embarrassing reveal of him coming up from the
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basement after he was quote unquote in quarantine. And it's just all of this performative theater that
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these folks do because, you know, it's do what I say and not what I do. And with AOC, it's perfect.
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It's the whole socialist thing of like, it's power to the people until you're in power. And then you
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want to enjoy all the trappings of what you can have. And of course she's vacationing in Florida.
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Why should she have to suffer with her voters who elected her in New York city where they're
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hitting record numbers, despite having so many vaccine mandates, mask mandates, everything that
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she supported hasn't been working. Why not just go to Florida for vacation? Yeah. And you know what,
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you know, it's a great place to vacation to New York city. It's awesome. Normally you could go to
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Broadway. You could catch a show. You could have done the Rockettes that was canceled too. Um, you know,
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normally you could come here and see the greatest bar and restaurant scene in the world
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bar none, but now can't come. If you have a kid who's unvaccinated, it can't come. Certainly
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if you're unvaccinated, it can't come. If you plan on taking off your mask, can't come if you like
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that, that's thanks to people like her, right? People like AOC and our loser mayor, who's now out.
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We'll see how the new guy does, uh, who've imposed all these restrictions. It's, it's maddening. And by
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the way, it's not totally unlike all these Democrats who changed the laws in these very, very blue States
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to be just impossible to live under the tax rates and so on. Then they flee down to Florida and Texas
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and they want to change those laws too. Well, you know, look, the most pernicious part from my point
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of view about democratic COVID policies is it's basically just a tool for control, right? I mean,
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if you looked at the way that society operated in the summer of 2020, um, that's kind of ideal for
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them, you know, is this, you have a centralized federal government who basically conducts all
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dealings in your life, right? You can't really leave the house. If you do, it has to be a job
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that is what, how did they label it? Essential, essential, essential, essential as if, you know,
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some jobs aren't essential to provide for your family. I mean, every single aspect of American life
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was filtered through what the federal government told you, you could and could not do. And so as we've
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gotten on like now you can see, they're just trying, they're trying to struggle to take hold
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of that. They don't want to live under it as evidenced by AOC and Swalwell, but they're still
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trying to continue this, this, okay. Fourth shot. Okay. Fifth shot. Okay. Six, never really leveling
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with people that the fact this is going to be here forever. And you might as well figure out how to get
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back to life as you want to live it. And part of that is scaring us. You know, like I mentioned with
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the fake hospitalization reports, I mentioned the children, but they do that with adults too.
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And, and you tell me if you've noticed it, but I, I feel like with Omicron, which we know
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is far less deadly than Delta or any other variant we've had of this, this virus. They're,
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they're excited when they have a death to report. They've been few and far between, but they actually,
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there was a mashup. Is this a, is this a Graebian mashup? I don't know who put this together,
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but it's good. We stole it. Oh, it's Matt Taibbi. Even better. Watch this, you guys watch this.
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It's the first known death from Omicron. The first person confirmed to have died of
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Omicron in the U.S. We've just confirmed the first death in the United States due to the Omicron
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variant. Death now from the Omicron variant. First death to the Omicron variant. Death from
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the Omicron variant in the U.S. The U.S. suffered its first death from the new strain. It is very
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possible there have been other deaths. The first death from the Omicron variant. The U.S. has reported
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its first death linked to the Omicron variant. We're going to see certainly hospitalizations
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and deaths. The one thing that we are seeing is that if anything, it does not appear to be more
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severe. It might in fact be less severe, but we're holding off on that till we see how it does in our
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country. Taibbi, he's put in the Grim Reaper running around. That was beautiful. But it goes
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back to the central problem that we've been discussing here, Megan, is that they need fear
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for compliance because compliance is key to their worldview. If they want to send you a check and
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tell you you don't have to pay rent, they need to scare you into changing the American economy,
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to locking you in your home. And they can only do that with videos like that.
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Yeah. It's incredible. I mean, the funny thing is the whole Omicron thing started with a big report
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that came out that the White House member Biden had this big emergency meeting to meet about the
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Omicron variant. And then they had this discussion at the CDC about how this was the most transmissible
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and they took all kinds of South African data except for one data point. The one data point was that
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nobody was going to the hospital. It does nothing, right? It's like there's nothing to fear with this
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one. Yeah, you get a cold and then you're and then you have immunity as it as it turns out,
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according to what I read in the New York Times, you have immunity if you get Omicron from Delta
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and the reverse is not true. So, yay. Right. So, I mean, if you're looking for silver linings and
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getting Omicron, there's one for you. But no, it's death, death, death and hospitalizations.
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Like, I don't think anybody's advocating everybody go out and lick doorknobs,
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but honestly, just survive. Do your life. Act like you did when it was flu season.
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You know, wash your hands. Do smart stuff. You know, I just for the life of me, I can't figure
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out what people can't figure out about this plan that liberals have to try to keep us all under
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the thumb. It's just so odd. But I think part of part of the problem is because they need the
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compliance at the beginning of the pandemic. Right. And they had to lock people in their homes
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and the vaccines were under development, that instead of leveling with people, like you said
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earlier, Holmes, and saying this is a coronavirus, small C coronavirus, the flu is a coronavirus.
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These things circulate and will always circulate. We built up the expectations of vaccine and this
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is over. Oh, yeah. And this is over. And Ron DeSantis in Florida and monoclonal antibodies,
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you know, he's he does. That's junk science. You know, they've got it wrong. We've got it right.
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And now we are two years into this thing and it all has to change because we're slowly accepting
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reality. Yeah. And elderly can't get monoclonal. But where where are the smart liberals? Because
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smart people. Right. I mean, the conservatives are not scared. If you look around on the right
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half of the country, they're not the ones who are running scared from this. But there are smart
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liberals out there who should now be seeing right with their own eyes. Oh, wait a minute. OK,
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we do have to learn to live with it. We're not going to get zero covid. We have to decide whether
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we want to send our kids to school and masks forevermore. And they, you know, bit by bit,
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we're starting to see some of that. But then you get reports like Yale University this week.
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Did you see this? They're banning the students from eating outside. They cannot eat outdoors at
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local restaurants for the spring semester. And they're dumb for a bunch of smart kids.
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I mean, where I went at Syracuse, I guarantee you they're eating outside. What's the matter?
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I love the juxtaposition with this. And then in the summer of 2020, when you had these riots and BLM
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going on through the summer, you had, you know, medical community going around saying that, hey,
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it's OK to go out and attend these protests, you know, shoulder to shoulder in the streets.
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That's totally fine. COVID will, you know, stop when it's for a left wing cause. But now you want
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to have a pizza in New Haven? Not happening. Social justice is the best vaccine. That's right.
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I mean, you asked about smart liberals. You asked about smart liberals. I happen to think,
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at least in terms of Washington, they exited stage left with Daniel Patrick Moynihan like 25 years
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ago. Right. I mean, to be honest with you, this is a herd mentality in there. There's such they're
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so scared. They're so politically scared of the far left that nobody. And I mean, nobody, even if
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they know better than they are smart and there are smart liberals, they can't say it. They can't
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say it because that's the other problem that they've associated now with our entire country
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is that they've censored everybody into a silo of thought. That's right.
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Right. That you can only say and do these things or otherwise you're kind of against
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the entire mission. We've seen that across from social media to to now our science and
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our medical community. I think that is the the one last and really scary part about this.
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This is good. I like this because they've been so sucked in because it's not just the
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damn politicians. Right. Like I know these people in New York City, the actual liberals who
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are not woke. They're not like sort of the far left weird activists. They're normal people,
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but they're liberals and they're brainwashed. They see this thing is like bubonic plague
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esque. And I think you're getting it. Why? They got sucked in early as an us versus them
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mentality, as a MAGA hat versus mask mentality, as a good people are scared and follow, quote,
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the science and take it seriously. And they can't break out of it. Sorry, Smog.
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I know. No, no, no. I think Holmes nailed it where he said that there is the left is trying
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to enforce what can be said, what can't be said about this. If like a year ago, you were to say
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if you've been vaccinated, you can still contract and pass on the coronavirus. Your account would be
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would be banned. Right. And, you know, the left would try to take away your livelihood.
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They'd be like, oh, no, this person doesn't. What would the covid misinformation policy of two
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years ago look like versus today? You know, think about that. We had Eric Swalwell. We talked about
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Eric Swalwell. This is a guy who tweeted, don't buy masks at the beginning of this thing. Is his
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account still up? I mean, the WHO says it can't be transmitted human to human. They still have their
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account. Yeah. I'm trying to find the Dave Rubin tweet. Maybe my team can help me out.
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Dave Rubin had his Twitter account suspended eight, nine months ago for tweeting out something to the
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effect of the vaccines do not prevent the spread of covid. They're not as effective as we once thought
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they were. It was everything he said was true. And he got shut down on Twitter. A bunch of us weighed
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in saying this is absurd. Why are you shutting down? And that's just, of course, yet another
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example of what big tech does. Right. It's not really so much what's fact based. It's what they
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just don't want people to hear. Yeah. Yeah. But it's also enforced at the administration level.
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Right. That's so like you've got big tech. Of course, there are a bunch of lefties, but you also
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have this this hanging over the top of them, this threat of antitrust or these threats of government
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action to break up their businesses. And every single time you see Facebook or somebody,
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somebody else say, like, you know, we're going to have a more laissez faire attitude.
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They try to enforce something on them. And it's so in some ways, it's the government itself
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that's perpetuating the silence. The government and the media are basically coming into Facebook
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and Twitter and saying, you know, nice business you got here. It would be a shame if anything
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were to happen to it. If you let Trump back on Twitter, we'll let Elizabeth Warren take care
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of you guys. Yeah. You know how it works. And is there any has there been any ramification
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for Twitter whatsoever for banning the Hunter Biden? No, not not. Oh, and we heard a whole
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lecture from Joe Biden today about how, you know, good people, real Americans are not afraid
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of the truth. They're not afraid of the truth coming out. OK, let's do that. Let's have that
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conversation, Mr. Disinformation, Russian disinformation when it comes to your son's laptop.
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That that's a lie that you've chosen to live with. And none of us believes it.
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OK, so this is oh, this is just from July. My God, it's like, wait, July of what? It must
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be July of 2021. My God, that's like a couple months ago. This is so obviously true. Dave Rubin
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tweeted out. This is listen how benign this is. People are getting and transmitting COVID
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despite backs. Plus, now they're prepping us for booster shots. A sane society would take
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a pause. We do not live in a sane society. He got his Twitter account shut down.
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For that. Wow. Incredible. I mean, that should be held out. I'm glad you highlighted that. That
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should be held out and put on a poster card in front of every media office there is, because
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that is the most obviously true statement that I've ever seen. And somehow that's what
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got banned. Right. It's crazy. All right, let's switch over because I want to get your reaction
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to a couple of things. First of all, crime, New York City. Great. We've got Eric Adams. He's a
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former cop. He took over for de Blasio. So, yay. Team Andy Cohen. And sadly, however, and this is
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something Bill Bratton has been saying, you know, police commissioner, former in New York, and he
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cleaned up New York under Giuliani. He cleaned up L.A. He cleaned up Boston. And he has been saying
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it's great. If you want to refund cops, you should. He's in favor of that. It's not going to solve
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the problem. It's the light on crime prosecutors, the D.A.s, who are really at the heart of what
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we're seeing in these crime rises across major cities. And New York City is the perfect example
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of that. The Manhattan D.A. is a guy named Alvin Bragg. He's our new D.A. He ordered his
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prosecutors to stop seeking prison sentences for hordes of criminals. This is from the New
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York Post and to downgrade felony charges in cases including armed robberies and drug dealing.
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He doesn't want anyone to be incarcerated, basically unless it's a homicide or just a
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handful of other major cases like domestic violence, felonies and a few others. And so
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the police union, cops themselves and others who are pro-law enforcement are coming out and saying,
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this is insane. What like what kind of message are we sending out? And by the way, if you go in
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there and like he's changing the rules on armed robberies now or if it's not a gun, it's not an
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armed robbery. It's going to be treated as a misdemeanor. Like, oh, I'm sure the store owners
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are going to love that. Armed robbers who use guns or other deadly weapons to stick up stores and other
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businesses will be prosecuted only for petty larceny, a misdemeanor, so long as no one was seriously
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injured and there was no genuine risk of physical harm to anyone. Oh, my God. What?
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Yes. So this is something that we've discussed, you know, pretty extensively here on on Ruthless
01:05:50.320
on the variety program. There's been a significant push among the left to try to to using dark money
01:05:56.260
to fund these radical left wing D.A.s because they know voters think this would be ridiculous.
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They can't get it done with legislation. So they try to do it at the D.A. level that,
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you know, their radical ideas on what policing, reimagining policing, which essentially means
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anarchy. Right. Should be. And again, the New York Post had had a terrific article about this,
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where Soros, George Soros donated over a million dollars to Bragg, who's now the D.A.
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in New York. He had previously funded the D.A. in Philadelphia, where now the murder rate
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Philadelphia has one fifth the population of New York City and they have more murders in
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Philadelphia. I mean, that's what happened. It's Chicago to remember back Waukesha. Right.
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We all remember how did this guy, how did this criminal get out of a bail hearing and onto the
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streets where he was able to kill people on the streets of Waukesha? Exactly the same thing that
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we're now talking about. It was a D.A., a Soros funded D.A. that ultimately made that call and it
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cost people their lives. It's incredible. It's like their solution to rising crime is just don't
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prosecute crime. Then the numbers go down. There you go. Well, I didn't see it. The thing is,
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yeah, I mean, that's the funniest thing is they actually straight face. Yeah. Right. And we have
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the example of San Francisco laying out for the world to see. Look what happens when you stop
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prosecuting crime. Look what happens when theft is no longer associated with any sort of sentencing
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guidelines whatsoever. Well, you have every store that's that's within walking distance
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of downtown that's been looted over the last. Well, let's just make sure they're wearing their
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masks. Well, you know, if they're doing a stick up job, got to make sure they're masked. If they're
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not masked, we're going to prosecute that. Well, it's very convenient, by the way, to have the mask
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on. That's a good point. That's the one circumstance where people would be pro mask.
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Like, it's so absurd. You think about the people like, OK, so I'm an armed robber with a gun. I go
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in to stick up a store in New York City. And of course, these store owners, it's always like the
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guy at the kiosk. They don't have a lot of dough. You know, it's like the guy at the deli. These are
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small business owners. So they get they get stuck up by a guy who does have a gun. And the guy doesn't
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get prosecuted for more than petty larceny as long as he doesn't shoot somebody or create a genuine
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risk of physical harm. Doesn't me taking a gun and pointing it at a store owner qualify in and of
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itself as creating a genuine risk of physical harm? What if somebody has an actual gun with bullets in
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it and shoots and misses me but hits the clerk? You know, it's like this is insane, an insane way to
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enforce the criminal law. I'll give you guys the last word. Yeah, no, I mean, the only good thing about
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this is that stuff like this can't hold in the democracy, right? Because the only thing that
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makes people more irritated than your education for your kids is the fact that they're unsafe,
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right? If you're unsafe in the streets of your community, you do something about it. It's
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happened in every community. You mentioned New York previously in the 90s under Giuliani.
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The time is coming for these people. They're all going to be thrown out of office at some point.
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I just hope they don't do too much damage before we get them. Exactly. That's how I feel about the
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San Francisco DA, you know, the mayor out there. She's like, now it's talking tough. It's like,
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okay, well, what about all the people who got hurt before you saw the light because your community
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found itself completely crime infested? Guys, I only wish we had two more hours. It's such a
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pleasure. I love your show. I love talking to you. Please come back.
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Yeah, we will absolutely do that. And we're going to play a game with you at some point on
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Ruthless Variety Program. I've got some in mind.
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Oh, I'm excited. I'm into games. I'll do it. I'm going to regret that.
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See you soon, guys. Don't forget to check it out. Ruthless. You'll be glad you did.
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Up next, Kelly's Court is back in session. We take a look at a bizarre situation down under
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involving Novak Djokovic, who's like being held in Australia because he didn't get a vaccine.
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He claims he has a medical exemption. My God, it's crazy what they're doing to the world's
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number one tennis player. How can they get away with this? Plus analysis on the Ghislaine
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Maxwell verdict, which may be about to get thrown out. And Elizabeth Holmes.
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Court is now in session. Kelly's Court, that is. And we've got a trio of hot cases to discuss.
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We're going to begin with high drama down under. The world's number one tennis player,
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Novak Djokovic, is currently being held in a quarantine hotel facing possible deportation
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from Australia, where he is trying to play in the Australian Open. Trial attorney Arthur
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Idala is here with me to discuss it, along with former federal prosecutor Lise Weill.
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So both of you guys have prosecuted cases. Now, Arthur, you defend them and Lise writes books
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and so on. But this is like a novel. I can't believe that they have taken. This isn't some
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no name loser. This is like one of the most famous people on earth. And I guess he got a visa to come
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in. But then they decided to mark him anyway, as possibly unvaccinated. And you tell me, Lise,
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what is now happening and going to happen to him?
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Well, he's waiting, as you said, Megan, high in detention. And he's going to be there until
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Monday when they have another hearing on it. But look, the prime minister is very adamant at saying
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the rules are the rules. I mean, it doesn't it doesn't matter who you are. If you're not vaccinated
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and you don't have some kind of medical exemption, then or religious exemption, then you're not going
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to be allowed into the country. And yeah, it's crazy that he's been there that long. And yeah,
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it's crazy. There's been a mix up. But if that's the bottom line and he hasn't been vaccinated and
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there is no exemption, he should be out of there. You should. Well, you know, Megan, I'm a big fan
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of common sense. Right. And I'm a big and I'm a big fan of the prime minister looking at his country
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as a whole. How much money does that tennis tournament bring into the citizens of Australia?
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Number one. Number two, you're not talking about some schmuck who wants to come in and he's ranked
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4000. You're talking about a guy who has the finances to absolutely totally isolate, to get
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tested every 15 minutes if they want him to. And look, although the rules are the rules,
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Lisa, as the prime minister, as the prime minister, you are allowed to make exceptions.
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We don't pardon people for crimes. We don't let people, prime ministers and presidents don't
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let people out of jail. Don't let him commit the crime. I mean, come on, Arthur, what kind of
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message is that? It's not a crime. It is not a crime.
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Of course, when you're the prime minister, it's all about money. It's all about money.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. But hold on. But hold on. And I'll give you the floor,
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Elise, that what they're saying is that he received a medical exemption before he got there.
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And now it seems like the feds in the state over there are sort of pointing the finger at each other
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over who gave him that exemption. But here's what's weird to me. The reports are that they singled him
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out upon landing in Australia, not because they were like, hmm, medical exemption, but because they
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were like, he publicly decried vaccine mandates, not even just vaccines, vaccine mandates, and therefore
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said, red flag. Let's look. Let's look further into this case, which this is nuts. This is very,
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I don't I don't see it that way. Look, he said he said he's been out there on social media saying he
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doesn't believe in vaccination. Nobody should be mandated. But the rules, I mean, I'm sorry,
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I'm repeating myself. The rules are the rules. It's required in Australia to have the vaccine.
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And if you want to come in, he's coming in as a guest of the country. I don't care. I mean,
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obviously, I care for these number one player and these rich and all that, but it shouldn't
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matter. I mean, that because the message that that would send to the rest of the Australian
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population, how about this? Let me see if I can, let me see if I can persuade you with this
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argument. Okay, try. Okay. Unlike, let's, I'll just say myself. My body is not exactly my temple.
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Okay. But, but his body is right. I mean, this is you're talking about one of the greatest
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athletes to have ever walked the planet Earth. And he watches very much like Tom Brady and Michael
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and Phelps and all of these. He watches every little ounce that goes into his body,
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whether it be lack of alcohol, whether it be organic romaine lettuce, steroids. I would say,
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just kidding. I have no evidence that particular person that for this particular person under these
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circumstances, a medical exemption, which Australia does have, Australia does have a medical exemption.
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It should be employed. No, because it's not going to apply here. A medical exemption means
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if you can't take the vaccine for some reason, you just made my argument even stronger, which is that
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he has no medical exemption. How do you know? We don't know that. How does he know? How does he know?
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How does he, what happens if he does take the vaccine and he has a reaction that ends his tennis
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career? This is a guy who's vying for the championship of all grand slams of all time. He's tied in a
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three-way time. And don't come to Australia where those are the rules. Go play somewhere else where
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those aren't the rules. You can't play out by the rules. Okay. So, but first of all, can I just say
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something? Whether he deserves the medical exemption or not doesn't change the effect on
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the Australian population, right? Let's say he legitimately can't get it for some reason.
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He's still going to go over there unvaccinated. So if Australia allows some people to be there
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unvaccinated because they have medical exemptions or whatever it is, then why wouldn't they allow
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Novak Djokovic, who, as Arthur points out, can absolutely stay completely isolated away from
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every, he is, as I understand it, the defending champ at the Australian Open, number one in the
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world, going to generate tons of money for the Australians. Why wouldn't they say, we will allow
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you to do it? You speak to no one, get near no one. You're already here for God's sake.
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Because those are special applications, special rules, bending the rules, however you want to say it,
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that wouldn't be given if you or I tried to do the same thing. And that's not.
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But you or I are not the defending, we're not the defending.
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It doesn't matter because you're making a money argument, Arthur. This is not a money argument.
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This is a health argument. This is a rules argument.
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What I started off by saying, can we make it a common sense argument? And what Megan just said is,
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he's going to be totally isolated. He's going to be away from everybody.
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He's still playing on the 17th. Again, they wouldn't allow us in. Why should they allow
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Like I just say, it's not like tennis is not like football where they're on top of each other.
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You know, it's like he's there and nobody's anywhere near him. I think this is crazy.
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The boys, the ball girls, the umpires, the fans, you know, Omicron is spread. Again,
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I'm not going to get into the medical part of this because that's for the doctors to do.
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And they, if they decide there's no medical exemption, which Arthur kindly made that point
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just fantastically for me, then he doesn't apply under the rules. And that's not fair to treat
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rich and famous people differently than they would treat the rest of us.
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Megan and I would agree with you if it was some rich and famous person who wanted to take
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their yacht into Sydney, there's no exemption. And, and I, I will tell you my medical exemption
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is this, the way Tom Brady will not have an ounce of sugar in his diet, will not touch
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alcohol. Their, their bodies are different than ours. They monitor everything that goes
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into their body. And as, as vaccinated as we all are, his doctor, his trainers may be saying,
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listen, we do not know what reaction you're going to have. If you take this vaccine, we do
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not want you to take it. As healthy as his body is, he apparently tested positive for
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And he, and he was fine and he was fine and he has natural immunity and he doesn't need
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Oh, all right. Wait, wait. I, can I ask you, Arthur, this is, we're going to post on YouTube.
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We always post about two hours after the show ends. Can I put up your polar bear plunge photo
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You've been doing this for years. So you might as well. And you know, Megan, since, since you brought
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up something personal, the one personal thing I wanted to discuss with you is starting on Monday
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here in New York city. I'm going to have my very own radio show.
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Megan Kelly is going to do Kelly's court with me every once in a while, the way Arthur
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Oh, that is, I'm, I'm in. Cause I know all your tricks.
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We're going to do evening drive here, 6 to 7 PM in New York city.
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That's awesome. Wait, where, what channel? How do we find you?
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Yeah. 970 AM. It's Joe Piscopo does the morning show and John Katzmatidis, who's the billionaire
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who ran for mayor is going to be five to six and I'm going to be six to seven. So I'm very excited.
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That is so fun. Oh my gosh. Done. We'll be there anytime. Lisa and I will go and we'll give
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Okay. So let's move on. Um, fascinating stuff happening in the Ghislaine Maxwell case.
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I genuinely want to know what you guys think is going to happen on this. Um, she was convicted
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five out of six counts, sex trafficking, conspiracy, uh, transporting a minor with the intent to engage
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in criminal sex activity. These are bad, bad charges. She's going away for the rest of her life.
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If this verdict stands, she's already 60. Um, and then, I mean, you can almost see the moment
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her lawyer went to see her in her cell to tell her you may have been granted a lifeline. Um,
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one of the jurors spoke out to Reuters and to the independent and identified himself only by his first
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and middle names, Scotty David, and said some things that may get this entire verdict thrown out,
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talked about how he had been the victim of sexual abuse as a child and about how he mentioned it
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and used it to persuade some of the other jurors in the jury deliberation room to vote guilty people
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who are on the fence. And that would, I guess, be okay if he hadn't failed to disclose that on his
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juror questionnaire, he didn't disclose it. He claimed he didn't even see it on there. It was
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on there. And, uh, he, now he's saying, Oh, well, I just rushed right through all the answers.
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And now, as I understand, at least both the process, the prosecution went in there and asked
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the judge to take a look at this and to possibly reevaluate the verdict and the defense wants a
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mistrial. They they're like, throw it out right now. Um, so what do you think is going to happen?
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Well, they're going to have to investigate. I mean, from a prosecutor's point of view, you know,
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you want jurors in there who, as, as Arthur would say, use their common sense, bring their experience,
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and that's all okay to share that. And if that's all it was, it would be fine. But if he didn't,
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and I don't think we're a hundred percent clear that he didn't check that box saying he'd been
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sexually abused, but there wasn't, there certainly wasn't any follow-up with him, which leads us to
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think that he didn't check the box. Well, there'd be no issue if he had checked it. There'd be no
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issue. Okay. So he's claiming he flew through it and that's why, so there was no intent there
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to deceive. But Arthur and I, Megan, you, we've all seen cases where there's this stealth juror,
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you know, jurors that want to get on the jury panel. Why? Not because they want to meet out justice,
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but because they want a book deal. They want fame after it so they can talk about,
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you know, what, what's happened. If that's the case here and there's a, you know, shown intent to
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not check that box and get on that jury, then he should never been on the jury. And I would agree
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that the judge has got to follow through on that, perhaps declare a new trial.
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Arthur, I don't think intent matters. I think if he did not check that box and the prosecution,
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the defense or the judge in this case was doing some of the questioning of the jurors who said they
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had suffered, some of the potential jurors did check the box and say, I'd been a victim of
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sexual abuse. And the judge would follow up saying, could you be fair in a case like this,
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that involves alleged sexual abuse, or would you be biased towards the prosecution and the alleged
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victims that, and then the jurors, of course, I mean, some say, no, I couldn't. And they're
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dismissed. And some say, yes, I could. And some who want to write books might say, yes, I could,
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even though they secretly could not. But this guy wasn't subjected to any of that.
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So I don't think it matters what his intent was. I think this verdict could go away
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from the mere fact that he didn't disclose it. No one got to ask him about it. And then he admitted
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to using it to sway jurors in the deliberation room.
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So as you guys know, I, by firm, we tried the Harvey Weinstein case, and then we just argued the
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appeal last December the 15th. And it's a major issue on appeal. It was one of the two issues that
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were really argued to the judges, because in that particular case, a juror had just written a
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book that was not published. So we couldn't read the book yet. It was about to be published.
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And she was asked in jury selection, does that have to do with similar facts and circumstances
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that about here, about a predatory man on a young person? And she answers no. And then the book comes
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out. And there's more details. She lied a couple of points along the way. And the book comes out,
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and it is about a predatory male, a teacher going after younger people. So it's the exact same issue
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here, except Harvey's case is in state court, which the law is actually more in favor than in federal
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court. And I'm going to read to you exactly the United States Supreme Court's case from last year.
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It's a two-part test in federal court where Ms. Maxwell is. One, a party must first demonstrate
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that a juror failed to answer honestly a material question during jury selection and then show that
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a correct response would have provided a valid basis for a challenge for cause. So to break that down,
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it means that this person should have checked off yes in the questionnaire. And then if the judge
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questioned that person and that person's answers gave the defense a reason to challenge that juror,
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then it looks like there should be a reversal here. It is a higher bar in the federal court than in the
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state court. So we will find out. But it is definitely an appellate issue that the trial judge
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now, because she hasn't been sentenced yet, so it's still not an appellate issue. It's still for that
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trial judge to decide. But even if the trial judge says, nah, it wasn't enough, she then could raise it
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on appeal after her sentencing. And Arthur, it's even worse here than in your case,
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because Davis himself, Scotty Davis himself says that what he said swayed the jurors. Remember,
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they were out for some 40, 50 hours. And he said what he said actually swayed them. So
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if that's all true, he didn't check the box, was it questioned? I really do think it's a bad issue for
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the prosecution. Yeah. Another jury in Harvey's case said, though, that the woman who wrote the book
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was very forceful and very powerful in the jury room during the deliberations. And that
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that Harvey's jury, I think, went out Monday and came back the following Monday. So
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they're very similar. Believe me, when my team was reading about what happened in the Maxwell case,
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we were like, wow, this is this is really. Wait, so Arthur, was your juror was a juror
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issue in the Harvey Weinstein case writing a novel or a work? She had she had written a novel
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and she claimed that it was a novel. But then after the verdict, but before the so after he's found
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guilty, but before her book comes out, she's doing these interviews and she's like, it's a novel,
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but it was basically autobiographical. And I'm the person who gets molested in the book.
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Oh, yeah, that's getting a little similar. I don't know. I think this is problematic. I mean, I
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I actually I'd be feeling pretty hopeful if I were Ghislaine Maxwell right now that this verdict gets
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thrown out. That doesn't mean she's free. She's she would be retried. And the prosecution's not
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going to say, oh, well, we screwed up with this one juror, not even them, but that there was a
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screw up with this one juror. But man, I bet Scotty David is really sorry that he decided to give
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interviews. It's like there's just no upside. Maybe not, Megan. Maybe not.
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Yeah, unless that's what he wanted the whole time. I mean, he didn't realize, right, when he said that,
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that that might mean that the whole the you know, the whole thing would be reversed. He may not have
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realized that. Maybe he was one of these self jurors that wanted to now get the publicity
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and then a book. Maybe you're right. He should go by his real name.
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The prosecution actually came to the judge and said, hey, you've got to take a look at
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this. So they're right. Let me shift gears. And I want to stay on on Maxwell for a minute
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and more more Epstein, because I'm also really interested in the Prince Andrew aspect of this.
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So I heard a lot of people saying like, oh, he should be worried now that Ghislaine was convicted.
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Forget the juror issue. But, you know, there was a conviction. I don't know if that's true.
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I think if Ghislaine were going to start naming names and telling details, she would have already
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done it. The prosecution didn't seem to be interested in offering her a deal for those
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kinds of details, at least according to what we read in the press. But what has emerged now,
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because he's been sued by Virginia Giuffre, maiden name Roberts. And this is the one who I don't think
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there's any question. Jeffrey Epstein abused her. Jeffrey Epstein trafficked her to a number of men.
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But Virginia Roberts Giuffre has named many, many men as on the receiving end of those offerings.
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And one of them is Prince Andrew. Another one is our pal Alan Dershowitz. And I've said publicly
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before, because I did take a deep dive into this before I did a long interview with Alan last fall,
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I don't believe he did a thing to Virginia Roberts. I don't believe that.
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Thank you, Megan. I'll put you on the jury. I'll put you on the jury when I'm representing Alan.
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Good. I hope you do. Because if you look at the history of her statements about Alan,
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they're deeply troubling. They're all over the board. And she clearly was egged on to name him
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by somebody who thought she'd get more publicity if she included a star lawyer like Alan in the list
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of defendants. And the objective evidence doesn't support it. I'm not looking. I could be wrong. I'd be
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shocked if I were. I stand by Alan on that one. But I believe she was a victim. And I don't know
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about Prince Andrew. But now what we've learned is that she's filed a civil lawsuit against him. We
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knew that against Prince Andrew. Now he's trying to get out of it, guys, because she got a $500,000
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settlement from Jeffrey Epstein years ago, Virginia did. And that seemed to try to give a blanket of
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immunity, stop her ability to sue many third party beneficiaries of the settlement agreement,
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including ones who were known to her as her abusers at the time. And she had already said
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in her complaint against Epstein at the time, she'd been trafficked out by him to royalty.
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So Andrew's lawyers are going into court now to say you have to dismiss this lawsuit against him.
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He was a third party beneficiary of the settlement she signed with Jeffrey Epstein years ago.
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And so far, the judge doesn't seem too warm to that argument. But what are your thoughts on
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Prince Andrew and how the hell he gets out of this lawsuit?
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I think it's problematic for him because I don't think that that settlement that she signed with
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Epstein is going to hold water against Prince Andrew. And here's why. She can be subpoenaed.
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And that subpoenaed to testify in a criminal or civil trial will outweigh that private agreement,
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right? It's going to pierce that private agreement.
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But she's suing. She's suing him civilly. And he's saying it's barred because
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It's not, though, because that agreement, the thing that we're all looking at is that agreement
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with the settlement that says, you know, she can't talk. There's nobody else involved or,
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you know, the third parties. But she can be subpoenaed.
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Subpoenaed. And that subpoena will trump the settlement. And she'll have to testify.
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And if she testifies that Andrew was in there, the game starts all over again.
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This doesn't sound right. Am I confused? Because if you bring a civil lawsuit, you're the plaintiff.
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Megan, listen, as everyone knows or you know, I represent Alan Dershowitz in this matter.
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And he's around it. So I listened to the hour and a half argument on the phone in front of
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Judge Lewis Kaplan, who's like a storied Southern District judge who, and you're correct,
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did not sound like he was leaning in Prince Andrew's direction.
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But the argument was she, although at least you're correct, if she's subpoenaed,
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she can be forced and satisfied. But she's the one who's bringing the suit.
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And they're saying, you can't bring a suit because when you accepted $500,000, that was the end of it.
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And the way Prince Andrew is uniquely situated is it refers to you can't charge anyone who's royalty.
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And they're saying that was a veiled reference to Prince Andrew. He was the only one she's ever said
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she's been abused by who's royalty. And royalty is Prince Andrew. You accept $500,000 in return.
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You're giving up your right to sue him. You are your damages are being awarded or being rewarded or
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you're being you're getting a benefit because of your damages, because of what happened to you
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from Jeffrey Epstein and from Prince Andrew and from anyone else in that circle. So you give up your
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Prince Andrew is not named in that settlement, just royalty, as you said. And again, if this
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now goes into a criminal, which it hasn't yet, but if it goes, it could go into a criminal charge.
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Forget about the civil lawsuit that goes into a criminal charge against Prince Andrew.
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What about the whole thing is about is about civil? I don't think he's going to get
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She's trying to sue him to get money from Prince Andrew. And their argument is you already got the
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money. You got the deal. This is a huge deal in the UK. Huge deal in the UK. If Prince Andrew
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actually has to sit for a deposition, if he has to settle this case, God forbid, on his behalf,
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if he if he had to if he were found civilly liable, stripped of royal duties, which has already
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happened after that disastrous interview he gave. But I mean, he could face a lot of penalties over
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there. And he could basically, especially once we have a King Charles and instead of a Queen Elizabeth,
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you know, that he's already talking about narrowing the scope of who's within sort of the royal family
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and gets all the benefits and all that. I mean, Prince Andrew's got a lot riding on how this case
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comes out. It's fascinating to me. I got to switch gears because I only have a couple of minutes.
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Talk about Elizabeth Holmes, another fascinating woman to me. I mean, she definitely, you know,
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she definitely misled people. There's no question. She's found guilty of misleading investors,
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though not patients. And I wonder what you think is going to happen to her and how long
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she's likely looking at in terms of sentencing. Arthur, I'll start with you on that one.
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I, you know, I followed the case a little bit. It was a long trial. There were a lot of witnesses.
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And I mean, you know, she did assemble really smart people around her. And it doesn't sound like
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it was all smoke and mirrors. It sounded like there was a real product there that she was possibly had
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this blood test that was super fast, et cetera, et cetera. And, you know, there's that, as you said,
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the jury has spoken, but there's that fine line between a business being a legitimate business
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and then falling apart and then just straight up fraud. So I don't know this judge. I mean,
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unlike the judges we're talking about here in New York, I do know those judges. But I mean,
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she's not going to get a life sentence or anything like that. Do I think she's going to see the inside
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of a jail cell? Yes. The people who got hurt here are not exactly like, you know, people who gave up
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their pensions to invest in this. No, it's not ma and pa shop owners. Right. Exactly. But that's what
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was wrong, I think, with the way the prosecution put this together is they focused primarily on the
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investors and the fraud there and not on the patients. They had 32 witnesses. I think they have
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three. I know they have three witnesses that were patient witnesses. You know how much time those
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three witnesses actually took the stand? A total of 65 minutes for all three of them. Nine minutes
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for one dentist to talk about how the test results had come back and what it did to him. I mean,
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people were really hurt. Real people, not just moguls who invested with her. This woman should see
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some serious time. Each count carries 20 years as a max. She won't get that. I mean, you know,
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worst case scenario, they run consecutively. It won't. They'll push them all together. But I don't know.
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I'm saying under five, Megan. That's my number. Under five.
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I've seen, I've watched so many podcasts on her and so on. But there's a, there's a great,
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it's on HBO Max, a documentary called The Inventor on her that I'm in the middle of now. It's just
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fascinating how she managed to fool so many people. And where do we draw the line between,
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you know, optimism and fraud? It raises all sorts of interesting questions. You guys,
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thank you so much. It's a pleasure, Arthur and Lise. Arthur, I'll talk to you on Monday on your radio show.
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