The Megyn Kelly Show - Jason Whitlock and ＂Uncle Jimmy＂ on Patriotism, Sin and Morality, and the Drama at ESPN ｜ Ep. 126

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.800 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today, Jason Whitlock.

00:00:17.500 He's back, and this time he has brought Uncle Jimmy. James Uncle Jimmy Dobbs, his partner

00:00:23.980 in crime on their new show, Fearless. Fearless. Which is a new podcast, and there's a video

00:00:29.980 version as well with The Blaze, and it's totally unfiltered, inappropriate, and awesome.

00:00:38.500 They're hilarious together. These guys have known each other for a long, long time.

00:00:42.220 Jason isn't afraid to say anything, nor is Uncle Jimmy, as you guys are about to find out.

00:00:48.240 We had a lot of laughs. We touched a lot of third rails, and we left like our stomachs were hurting

00:00:54.580 from the laughter. So you're going to love these guys. They're coming up in one minute. We're going

00:00:58.460 to kick it off with Jason's thought on Rachel Nichols. He's been talking a lot about this

00:01:03.720 Rachel Nichols, Maria Taylor thing at ESPN, where he used to work, and I think you're going

00:01:07.640 to want to get his take. So that's one minute away. Stand by.

00:01:16.460 Let's start with the latest news out of the world of sports. This story was made for you,

00:01:22.460 Jason. The Rachel Nichols story. Now, I confess, you know, I don't know anything about sports. I

00:01:28.340 don't really follow sports. If it crosses over into the news world, then I follow it. And this

00:01:31.940 one has. And to me, it's kind of titillating because it involves two women at the top of

00:01:37.240 their journalism game, sports journalism. And it's basically devolved into sort of a catfight,

00:01:42.020 which is also kind of interesting. But I think there are a lot of points about this story.

00:01:47.060 It's brought up a lot. What basically happened is Rachel Nichols, and you tell me, is she like one

00:01:53.380 of ESPN's biggest stars? I would think she's in the top 20, bottom half of the top 20 off the top 0.62

00:02:04.840 of my head. She's certainly one of their most accomplished journalists, having worked at the

00:02:11.220 Washington Post and then transitioned over into the television world. And I think you could argue

00:02:19.600 her and Maria are the two highest profile women working at ESPN right now. 0.77

00:02:26.920 Okay. So Rachel's white. Maria Taylor's black. And Rachel Nichols, a year ago, that's what's weird

00:02:32.860 about this story, although there's probably a reason we're just finding out about it now.

00:02:36.140 Rachel Nichols gets caught on an open mic. It was basically an in-hotel-room camera that she was 0.93

00:02:41.920 using for her reporting during COVID that she left on, which was a mistake, but it's still creepy that

00:02:48.700 somebody taped her having a private conversation in a room, goes on and on about Maria and basically

00:02:56.580 says, look, you know, she covers what she covers, but because Rachel's ticked off because she's in danger 0.92

00:03:05.500 of losing her hosting role for the NBA finals at the time to Maria. And she says, you know, it's fine,

00:03:11.460 but I don't want ESPN to make up for its crappy record on diversity by replacing me as the host is

00:03:18.080 essentially what she says. She says, find it from somewhere else. You're not going to find it from

00:03:22.640 me or take my thing away. In other words, a better diversity record. Now, what I found interesting about

00:03:28.600 this, Jason, you tell me is that, and I know you've been kind of defensive of Rachel Nichols, but I look

00:03:32.880 back and Rachel Nichols, she's one of these wooksters. She's one of these people. She railed 0.96

00:03:38.320 on North Carolina for its transgender policies. She railed about inequality after George Floyd.

00:03:43.100 She said the sports world has to play a role in rectifying inequality. It matters that these

00:03:48.380 messages be pushed in sports, especially for fans watching TV who might not have anyone who looks

00:03:53.180 like them on TV saying these things about diversity. She praised Colin Kaepernick. So I'm like,

00:03:58.960 this woman's totally for diversity and equality unless she's the one who's got to make the sacrifice. 1.00

00:04:02.560 Don't take my thing away. She's annoying, and I don't feel sorry for her. But what's your take?

00:04:09.100 All of what you said is true, but that's not the way that I operate. Rachel Nichols' chickens are 1.00

00:04:18.780 certainly coming home to roost, but it still doesn't mean she's not being treated incredibly unfairly.

00:04:25.140 And so I just think that any person, man or woman, black or white, having a private conversation leaked

00:04:37.160 and leaked a year later is just totally unfair to take her comments and try to spin them as if they were

00:04:48.560 somehow racist and beyond the pale, totally unfair. She went out of her way. She damn near sounded like 1.00

00:04:58.500 she knew she was being recorded the way her answer was, because trust me, if I'm on a private 0.53

00:05:03.760 conversation with friends and I'm talking about getting screwed over out of a job, I don't sound

00:05:10.400 nearly as professional and as polished as she did.

00:05:14.380 Yeah, but she was talking to somebody who is an important guy in that industry, as I understand it.

00:05:18.940 It was LeBron's rep, Adam Mendelsohn. So she wasn't going to be really railing, right? Like this was

00:05:25.240 probably about as much as she was confident saying.

00:05:29.100 Yeah, she'd have a different conversation with her mom.

00:05:31.980 Yeah, or her girlfriends.

00:05:33.860 All right, listen, we have a soundbite of Rachel. Listen.

00:05:37.260 I wish Rachel all the success in the world. She covers football, she covers basketball.

00:05:42.040 If you need to give her more things to do because you're feeling pressure about your crappy long-time record

00:05:47.620 on diversity, which by the way, I myself know personally from the female side of it, go for it. 1.00

00:05:54.080 Just find it somewhere else. You're not going to find it with me than taking my thing away.

00:05:58.320 Yeah.

00:05:59.100 I love it. It's just so funny, right? That she was supposed to be this

00:06:03.600 warrior for equity and that she's like, but not when it comes to me. I mean, this is what

00:06:08.500 these wokesters do, right? Like, yes, Black Lives Matter. And then it's like, oh, wait, 1.00

00:06:12.840 I lost out my position to a Black person. Forget that. It's like, oh, not as woke as you want us to 1.00

00:06:18.680 believe.

00:06:19.380 Yeah, the hypocrisy's thick, but what I'm hoping is, and maybe it's a naive hope, is that this will be her

00:06:27.980 red pill moment.

00:06:29.100 She will have, because what Rachel Nichols is, is a survivor. And I can't knock her for that.

00:06:35.600 She's going the direction that ESPN is blowing everybody into. She's going with the flow. In order to survive at ESPN, you have to be woke or that political monster within ESPN will chew you up and spit you out. It happened to me from 2013 to 2015 when I was hired to launch and run the Undefeated.

00:07:00.960 But my political point of view, which are my world view of being conservative, again, because I'm not really political.

00:07:09.460 I'm just a guy that was raised in a church and raised playing football. And so my point of view is conservative.

00:07:15.960 But I'm not going to back off that for anybody. And I got chewed up and spit out at ESPN by the leftists that are within that organization, the political factions, the lobbyists within ESPN.

00:07:30.400 And so Rachel Nichols and others, and this will be an arrogant statement, but Rachel Nichols is smart. She's like, man, Jason Whitlock, look at his journalistic resume.

00:07:41.680 He's at the top of the top of the field in the sports world. And they annihilated and assassinated him for having a conservative point of view.

00:07:50.580 So if she wants to survive, she has to go woke. And again, I don't know what and maybe she's authentically woke.

00:07:58.800 I tend to doubt it. I'm hoping that this moment looking at the leftist, I mean, I don't know, Megan, if you're aware and I almost hate mentioning this, but it factually happened.

00:08:09.680 They're going after Rachel Nichols so viciously that two days ago, I think on Tuesday, she was trending over Twitter about a rumor and her and some NBA basketball player and Twitter allowed her to trend with the with all these tweets about her and some NBA player.

00:08:31.220 And that's how hard the left wants to bury her, that they rig up something like that and instruct people to start tweeting and bots and algorithms or whatever about her personal life. 0.98

00:08:43.760 This woman's married and doesn't need to be subjected to that type of gossip. 1.00

00:08:48.220 Well, if it's untrue, it's defamatory. It's defamatory per se, as we as we refer to her.

00:08:53.220 Her in-laws are apparently Diane Sawyer and Mike Nichols.

00:08:55.440 Yeah, she's their daughter in law. OK, so so that's Nichols.

00:08:59.600 And she's because what happened is a year later, that tape, what happened was somebody saw her in her hotel room.

00:09:05.780 Somebody ESPN saw her making the comments, heard her surreptitiously because they weren't supposed to be looking at her, make the comments and took a video of it. 0.82

00:09:14.980 And then I leaked it, I guess, to Maria Taylor and maybe others because it made its way around ESPN.

00:09:21.780 It's very disconcerting for any woman to find out that somebody's been looking at her in her hotel room without her knowing.

00:09:27.160 And I don't care that it was a camera ESPN gave her.

00:09:29.780 She may have forgotten to turn it off properly because this wasn't something that, you know, she she certainly didn't.

00:09:36.060 She had a reasonable expectation of privacy in that hotel room by herself.

00:09:39.680 Anyway, but let's spend a minute on Maria Taylor, because at first I was like, well, I'd be ticked off, too, if I were her.

00:09:45.500 And somebody was saying my advancement was due to my skin color or my lady parts. 1.00

00:09:49.140 But the more I looked into Maria Taylor, I'm like, she's not that sympathetic either.

00:09:53.880 She's she's somebody who's been out there.

00:09:56.620 I don't know. You tell me, Jason, but I feel like she's been extremely woke.

00:10:00.500 And I think she's been playing this behind the scenes because that tape didn't leak to The New York Times until a week ago, right before Maria Taylor's contract negotiation, where she's asking to be paid.

00:10:11.800 They offered her a five million dollar deal. Reportedly, she wants eight million, which is what Stephen Smith gets.

00:10:17.240 And people in your world, the sports world, are saying she's not worth that.

00:10:21.040 And it's pretty interesting that it came out right as she was having the negotiation.

00:10:24.640 I think Maria Taylor is is is as calculated and conniving as any person, man or woman in the media business. 1.00

00:10:35.000 I think that she has been using race as a weapon for more than a year now to climb up the ladder. 1.00

00:10:43.140 She makes one million dollars a year right now at ESPN. 1.00

00:10:46.860 They offered her five million dollars.

00:10:49.200 She said no. She wants eight million, the same as Stephen A. Smith.

00:10:52.800 At a time over the last two years where ESPN has been slashing everybody's salary, men and women.

00:11:02.840 Hannah Storm got her salary slashed. 1.00

00:11:06.180 Trey Wingo, other people might go like all these white men, people getting run out of ESPN because the salary cuts are just way too big. 0.52

00:11:16.940 Kenny Mayne. I could just go on and on and on.

00:11:19.920 Everybody taking pay cuts.

00:11:21.440 She wants seven million more dollars. 0.98

00:11:26.480 And was offered five million.

00:11:28.540 She's not worth five million. 0.90

00:11:30.580 She plays.

00:11:31.360 She compared herself to Stephen A. Smith.

00:11:33.940 She plays a different position than Stephen A. Smith.

00:11:37.720 To give you a football analogy, Megan, and I'm not sure.

00:11:41.480 Anyway, to give you a football analogy, it's like Stephen A. Smith plays quarterback and Maria Taylor plays center.

00:11:47.840 It's a valuable.

00:11:48.640 Uncle Jimmy, he correctly does not have faith in my football knowledge, but that I understand.

00:11:53.480 OK.

00:11:54.500 His instincts are dead on.

00:11:56.260 But I got that.

00:11:57.380 And so let me walk you through what briefly what Maria Taylor has done over the past year through the New York Times and other places.

00:12:06.020 When Drew Brees defended the National Anthem before the 2020 season, after Reverend George Floyd, Martin Luther King Jr.

00:12:15.820 the third got assassinated, Drew Brees defended the National Anthem and Maria Taylor went on ESPN and savaged Drew Brees, basically accused him of being a racist.

00:12:28.680 The guy did, said nothing wrong, certainly didn't need to have his reputation impugned in that manner, smeared in that manner.

00:12:38.940 But all the left media applauded it.

00:12:41.800 Oh, look at Maria go. 1.00

00:12:42.960 She really held Drew Brees accountable.

00:12:44.480 Jason, we have that.

00:12:46.240 I cut that because I've seen you talk about that.

00:12:48.480 So I thought you might mention it.

00:12:49.560 We've got her.

00:12:50.400 So just to refresh the audience, Drew Brees came out, was asked about the kneeling during the National Anthem right after George Floyd.

00:12:56.160 And he said, look, I don't support anybody disrespecting the flag.

00:12:59.200 When I see the flag, I think about my grandpa who fought in World War Two and, you know, the sacrifice that was made to me.

00:13:05.020 The flag's a symbol of unity.

00:13:06.560 That's what he said.

00:13:07.800 And then he came out and begged for forgiveness. 0.99

00:13:10.880 It was pathetic and a massive turnoff. 0.98

00:13:14.180 But he came out and begged and said he was so sorry. 0.98

00:13:16.520 And her reaction to his apology was long and unforgiving.

00:13:20.640 And here it is in part.

00:13:21.980 The first thing out of his mouth was it's disrespectful.

00:13:25.040 I will not tolerate anything that is disrespectful to our nation and the flag.

00:13:29.360 That was the first thing.

00:13:30.460 Now, if he would have came out and said, if he would have said, oh, well, you know, I understand why it happens and I understand the meaning of protest and why we need it.

00:13:39.020 However, X, Y, Z.

00:13:40.420 But that's not the way it went down in that conversation.

00:13:43.000 And it wasn't a quote in a magazine.

00:13:44.960 It wasn't a quote in a newspaper.

00:13:46.260 And I'm exhausted and I'm tired of having to listen to someone say something like that and then have to sit back and be like, well, maybe he did it.

00:13:54.680 Maybe it's not his heart and it's this and it's that.

00:13:57.060 When you reveal yourself to me and you say something like that and you say it out of an intolerant mind and or heart or a non-empathetic heart.

00:14:05.760 And for the last five years, all we've done is see countless deaths in the street.

00:14:11.020 My patience left my body when I watched George Floyd take his last breath.

00:14:14.800 So if that didn't affect you and make you want to reassess the way that you're going to address a question that includes racial injustice in our country after you watch that man die in the middle of the street, something's off.

00:14:27.620 I don't know if it's your heart.

00:14:29.240 I don't know if it's your mind, but I don't accept either of them anymore. 1.00

00:14:32.920 All of that's a load of shit, Megan. 0.99

00:14:36.180 Tell us how you really feel. 1.00

00:14:37.360 Yeah. And I say that because, again, and all these people on TV faking and they're so emotional, they're so exhausted, they're so tired.

00:14:46.260 I'm like, you're a former division one athlete, Maria.

00:14:51.400 You know, I'm an overweight 50 year old guy.

00:14:54.320 I'm not exhausted and tired.

00:14:56.020 And I'm going to just tell you why.

00:14:57.220 It's like I had a relative that I helped raise who I was close to, who was killed by police in 2012 in Indianapolis, Indiana.

00:15:07.740 I know how George Floyd's family feels.

00:15:11.400 I paid for my cousin's funeral.

00:15:14.260 I helped raise him.

00:15:16.440 And so to see all these people fake all of this emotion over George Floyd and Rayshard Brooks and everybody else that they're not connected to, they're using these dead bodies to advance their own careers and to build their own brands.

00:15:33.780 And it bothers the hell out of me having experienced the death of a family member at the hands of police.

00:15:41.980 They're all lying.

00:15:43.480 And so she used she she used Drew Brees.

00:15:47.560 And then a couple of months later, the New York Times circles back to write a story about how pervasive racism is at ESPN and Maria Taylor's at the center of it, because during some conference call, one of her white coworkers did, I think, not knowing or thought he maybe hit the mute button.

00:16:09.820 But he turned to his wife or someone in his house on a Zoom call or conference call and said, yeah, this is a gripe session for black employees. 1.00

00:16:18.200 And Maria Taylor told The New York Times that, oh, that comment was a slap in the face.

00:16:23.520 And I was so offended because somebody said this is a gripe. 0.99

00:16:28.200 So if she's this sensitive to any comment and everything's a slap in the face, they need to fire her ass because she's not built for the spotlight. 1.00

00:16:38.640 And so she did that to the Dave Lamont guy who he and his wife had actually raised some black kid for several years in their own home who went on to become a college football player that people know about. 0.99

00:16:53.020 She just smeared this guy and then now she turns around a year later and does it to Marie to Rachel Nichols. 1.00

00:17:03.480 She's just stomping on the heads of white people in a racist fashion to advance her own career. 1.00

00:17:12.700 Well, she would say she's holding them to account. 0.97

00:17:15.820 You know, she went to H.R. in those instances.

00:17:18.380 I mean, that's the thing that's a little odd to me, like people offend you at work.

00:17:22.260 They can say sexist things, racist things, whatever it is.

00:17:25.380 To run to H.R. is the new thing where you've got to go tell mommy and daddy and get the person in trouble for an insensitive comment or the Rachel Nichols thing was like, all right, she was on tape in a hotel room.

00:17:35.860 She didn't know it was a good private conversation.

00:17:38.760 And, you know, it also appears she runs to the press, right?

00:17:41.520 It's like she literally did it in the case of the Drew Brees apology.

00:17:44.660 And I would say, even though she didn't give the New York Times a comment on the record when they broke this story a year later.

00:17:50.980 And by the way, Rachel Nichols has now been booted from the coverage of the, I guess, is it the NBA finals again? 0.90

00:17:57.740 She's out.

00:17:58.340 She's out altogether.

00:17:59.340 And Marie is in charge.

00:18:00.880 She's clearly manipulating the press behind the scenes. 1.00

00:18:04.160 Tell me, Uncle Jimmy, I want to hear from you.

00:18:06.400 No, I just simply said, that's how you fix racism right there.

00:18:10.740 That's how you correct it.

00:18:11.740 Well, you correct racism with some more racism.

00:18:16.540 That's the way we get to the bottom of this problem.

00:18:19.440 But let's find a racist act to correct the racist act.

00:18:23.860 That's how we get to unity, as Drew Brees said when he looks at the flag.

00:18:27.800 Unity.

00:18:28.520 I just don't think any of it is racist.

00:18:31.920 And I don't think America promises you protection from insensitive remarks.

00:18:37.460 And you get to decide what's insensitive.

00:18:40.540 No one else does.

00:18:42.340 And I'm just sorry.

00:18:44.400 If someone that I work with said, man, Whitlock's overweight.

00:18:48.880 I'm just, maybe that is a bit insensitive.

00:18:51.000 But trust me, it's not going to stop me from doing my job. 0.76

00:18:54.200 If someone, if someone, look, if her boss had said, man, we gave her this job because she's black. 1.00

00:19:01.660 What if I just walked up and said, ooh, Jason, you have a terrific body.

00:19:04.560 Would you go to HR?

00:19:07.560 Would you be like, I know he lying.

00:19:10.200 That hurt my feelings. 0.96

00:19:11.480 You know, damn good well I ain't got no terrific body. 0.96

00:19:15.840 Passive aggressive. 0.97

00:19:16.200 You might have a lawsuit, bro. 0.75

00:19:17.420 Yeah, well, I just, the whole thing is offensive to me and to sit around and act like that black employees at these media companies or any of these companies must be kept in a bubble to be protected. 0.80

00:19:35.880 You got to walk on eggshells around.

00:19:37.860 I'm just trying.

00:19:38.500 Who wants to work with Maria Taylor? 1.00

00:19:40.440 Anything you say can and will be used against you.

00:19:43.900 She's like a police officer.

00:19:45.280 I thought the number one rule of the game was the mic is hot.

00:19:48.520 I thought that was the number one rule of the game.

00:19:51.260 She's reading her Maria rights or Miranda rights or whatever.

00:19:54.640 That's what they're going to change it to, the Maria rights. 0.98

00:19:56.560 The Maria rights. 0.97

00:19:57.320 Anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of public opinion and human resources.

00:20:02.600 Until I do so.

00:20:03.280 Which is a very unforgiving place right now.

00:20:05.340 But here's my last point I want to ask you about on this because I do think it's interesting.

00:20:08.580 So Maria's been out there, you know, talking about Black Lives Matter, railing on Drew Brees.

00:20:12.340 You know, she's been sort of a social commentator for the past year plus.

00:20:16.380 And she's also, we learned from the New York Times article that just hit, you know, coincidentally, just as their contract negotiation is up, that she's been pushing for more Black hires at ESPN, essentially saying that race should be a factor in hiring in promotion.

00:20:30.360 And then when someone is caught on camera saying, behind the scenes, her race may have been a factor in her getting this job that Rachel Nichols had, she gets deeply offended.

00:20:42.740 Now, I understand why she was upset.

00:20:45.000 Like, I think I'd be ticked off, too, because I'd say, oh, it's my talent that got me.

00:20:48.220 You're not my skin color, not my gender. 0.98

00:20:50.880 But I also see why it happened.

00:20:52.400 This is sort of the downside.

00:20:53.420 We saw this when Joe Biden said, I'm picking a Black woman to be my VP, you know, if I get the nomination. 1.00

00:20:59.760 And then he picks Kamala Harris.

00:21:01.860 And it's like, I think she's Kamala Harris as a Black woman.

00:21:04.440 Wow, he failed us on that one.

00:21:06.200 What?

00:21:08.020 But my point is like.

00:21:09.000 You've done no better than that, Joe.

00:21:11.300 He set her up.

00:21:13.500 No, I'm just saying he set her up for people saying that her race and her gender were factors. 0.70

00:21:18.160 How can you say they weren't factors when he he didn't say, I'm going to pick the smartest person I can find?

00:21:23.780 He said, I'm looking for the right lady parts and the right skin color. 1.00

00:21:27.240 And you know what?

00:21:27.940 I'm just going to take a guess that Kamala Harris probably doesn't care if you say her race and gender were a factor. 1.00

00:21:33.060 She's the vice president. 0.94

00:21:33.880 She doesn't give a damn what you think. 1.00

00:21:35.700 She's in a great role.

00:21:36.860 So I don't know.

00:21:38.220 It's kind of dicey.

00:21:39.240 Like if you're going to take a position publicly to push for more hires of color, hires of women, people, blah, blah, blah.

00:21:45.040 Then when it happens, there's going to be some questioning of the basis for the hire.

00:21:51.320 Yeah.

00:21:51.560 You're thinking logic and reason are important to Maria Taylor and her contract drive that she's on.

00:22:00.160 She doesn't want logic and reason to enter into this equation at all, because if logic and reason enter in, they're going to pay her about a million and a half. 0.88

00:22:09.980 They're going to give her about a $500,000 raise and say, Maria, keep giggling and laughing and flirting with Jalen Rose on air and shut the hell up. 1.00

00:22:19.600 If logic and reason had anything to do with this.

00:22:22.840 And so she's making illogical arguments.

00:22:25.620 She's she doesn't care that she's pushing ESPN higher, black, higher, black, higher, black. 1.00

00:22:30.960 And and Rachel Nichols and everybody else overhears that with or without a tape.

00:22:35.740 Everybody knows that's what Maria Taylor and others are doing. 0.99

00:22:38.680 And so when Rachel Nichols hears that and says, yeah, they took Maria's advice and these other people campaigning around here, higher, black, higher, black, higher, black. 0.87

00:22:48.320 And but now we're offended that that's being thrown back in our face.

00:22:52.640 It's a joke. 1.00

00:22:53.780 We love to holler, higher, black, higher, black, higher, black until somebody hired somebody to replace our black ass. 1.00

00:22:59.660 And then we want to start crying. 1.00

00:23:05.300 Until then, black lives matter until you start messing with mine. 0.97

00:23:11.100 We're no different than Rachel Nichols is basically what you're saying.

00:23:14.040 Up next, we're going to talk about this football player, Carl Nassib.

00:23:19.420 He's come out as gay and got all this media attention and, you know, sort of it was celebrated by many as brave.

00:23:26.660 What does Jason think about it?

00:23:27.840 And it's going to we're going to get into this discussion about how some people really feel the need to declare their sexuality.

00:23:32.540 Willow Smith, polyamorous, Andrew Cuomo's daughter, who cares about her sexuality, but she wants you to know.

00:23:39.220 We take that up next.

00:23:43.540 Let me ask you about another sports story, and that's Carl Nassib.

00:23:48.040 Right.

00:23:48.340 Is that how you pronounce his last name?

00:23:50.260 Nassib.

00:23:50.840 Nassib.

00:23:51.240 Nassib, right.

00:23:52.220 You know, me and sports, you guys are going to walk me through it.

00:23:54.140 That's how much we know about him.

00:23:55.900 Honestly, I know nothing other than I know he's openly gay.

00:23:58.440 He announced that he's gay.

00:24:00.220 And you've said, Jason, that he looks more like Colin Kaepernick than like a Jackie Robinson.

00:24:05.800 Why?

00:24:06.600 Because he's an opportunist.

00:24:09.880 And he's another guy in a contract situation that stuck his finger in the air and was like,

00:24:17.100 Oh, my God, the wind blowing this direction.

00:24:19.120 Let me come out of the closet and use this as a ploy to improve my contract leverage.

00:24:28.700 He's third string right now on the Raiders.

00:24:31.520 No one had heard of him.

00:24:33.640 No one was talking about him.

00:24:34.740 He's on his third different team in five years.

00:24:36.880 He's 27 years old.

00:24:38.640 The Raiders defensive end position is stacked with guys they've either paid, recently signed, or recently drafted.

00:24:47.360 And so he's in the second year of a three-year contract.

00:24:52.260 He knows that if he doesn't get on the field this year and put up good numbers because he had a mediocre season last year after they first signed him, that this is it.

00:25:01.340 This is probably his last team.

00:25:03.180 He's going to get cut.

00:25:04.560 And so he needs to improve his leverage.

00:25:06.840 And now, look, John Gruden, the head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders, they're in a tough spot.

00:25:12.940 The NFL's come out with a social media campaign. 0.97

00:25:15.940 The NFL is gay. 1.00

00:25:17.280 It's lesbian. 1.00

00:25:18.340 It's non-binary. 0.52

00:25:19.320 It's transgender.

00:25:20.540 They've leaned into Carl Nassib and this whole gay thing. 0.80

00:25:24.920 I thought it was entertaining.

00:25:25.620 Yeah, the LGBTQ, I call it the alphabet mafia. 1.00

00:25:30.380 They added another letter.

00:25:32.540 They just recently added an—I can't keep up.

00:25:35.140 It's enough letters.

00:25:36.120 You've got to come up with a whole new moniker at this point.

00:25:37.820 BLM's a part of the alphabet mafia. 1.00

00:25:40.020 Long as I ain't in there.

00:25:43.260 CIA.

00:25:44.740 N-A-A-C-P. 1.00

00:25:47.620 H-N-I-C. 1.00

00:25:49.760 Who can keep up?

00:25:50.940 Oh, man.

00:25:56.240 Rachel, I think—

00:25:57.020 So the NFL has leaned into it.

00:26:00.100 I see your point.

00:26:00.900 He's looking for a payday.

00:26:02.400 It's a money flip.

00:26:02.740 He's looking to force his way onto the field and up the depth chart.

00:26:06.340 And John Gruden, the head coach, is under some pressure.

00:26:08.840 If they don't play this celebrated gay athlete, that's not a great look for the NFL or John Gruden.

00:26:16.480 If they decided to cut, hey, he's not good enough to make the team.

00:26:19.520 And that's not a good look for the NFL or the Raiders.

00:26:22.480 They have no choice but to keep him on the roster and play, or they're going to get smeared.

00:26:29.480 I have a question for you, Uncle Jimmy.

00:26:31.180 How is this our business?

00:26:32.620 Right?

00:26:32.900 How is this our business?

00:26:34.020 Why is everybody declaring their sexuality?

00:26:37.720 Willow Smith, the daughter of Will and Jada, comes out and says, I'm polyamorous.

00:26:42.960 Meanwhile, I'm like, what does that mean?

00:26:43.940 So I look it up.

00:26:44.500 Polyamory is the practice of having multiple romantic partners at the same time with the consent of all parties, meaning you're not monogamous with any one person.

00:26:53.700 My mama said that was a ho. 1.00

00:26:54.880 Okay, that's not that special.

00:26:56.120 Stop it.

00:27:00.940 Stop.

00:27:01.340 That's how we rationalize it nowadays.

00:27:04.800 Go ahead.

00:27:05.240 I'm sorry.

00:27:05.740 Go ahead, Megan.

00:27:06.360 I'm sorry.

00:27:07.140 Then there's Andrew Cuomo's daughter, Michaela, who apparently was upset that her dad was receiving too much of the press coverage and decided to come out and announce to everybody.

00:27:16.300 Meanwhile, no one gives to anything about Michaela Cuomo.

00:27:19.000 And said, I am demisexual.

00:27:22.820 And now I'm like, well, what the hell is that? 0.68

00:27:24.220 I don't know what demisexual is.

00:27:25.260 So I looked it up.

00:27:27.240 Demisexual individuals only experience sexual attraction to people that they have formed an emotional bond with. 0.98

00:27:34.000 How does this get a name?

00:27:35.260 That's called a relationship.

00:27:36.800 That's fine.

00:27:37.180 Yeah.

00:27:37.560 Isn't that called being like pretty normal?

00:27:39.820 Yes.

00:27:40.740 Or ethical, moral.

00:27:43.000 So if that's the case, I would like to make an announcement right here on your show right now, if I may, please, Ms. Kelly.

00:27:50.960 I would like to announce that I would like to be now called Uncle Jimmy Doggy Dog, if I can, please.

00:27:57.800 Just because, I mean, since we're discussing our sexual preference in the workplace.

00:28:04.120 We're going to put it out there.

00:28:06.020 I'm just saying, I don't want to, you know, I'm going to have this is my coming out party.

00:28:09.680 This is me now.

00:28:13.000 I would like to be called Megyn Kelly Top Rider.

00:28:19.420 Yeah!

00:28:22.820 I'm afraid to comment on that, Megyn.

00:28:24.720 Don't, Jason.

00:28:25.240 I'm afraid to comment on that.

00:28:26.200 I'm just saying it's too much.

00:28:27.600 I don't need this information.

00:28:29.460 I feel like there's a level of narcissism in it.

00:28:31.680 You know, like I've got a label.

00:28:32.720 And now, because they've chosen these weird things, they can say, I'm queer.

00:28:37.940 I'm queer.

00:28:39.180 No, you're not.

00:28:40.060 That doesn't make you queer.

00:28:41.220 Stop trying to invent terms to make yourself sound special.

00:28:45.660 You remember a time when it was offensive to call someone a queer?

00:28:49.920 Remember?

00:28:50.600 I mean, they didn't like to be called that, but all of a sudden, it's okay.

00:28:53.680 I'm like, you like that?

00:28:55.980 That's a good, no.

00:28:57.860 I'm confused.

00:28:58.780 I like Bobby, Sherry, sir, ma'am, mister, missus.

00:29:05.440 I want to go back, or maybe I thought there was a time, or we need to start a time, where people just keep their sexual activities just private to their bedroom.

00:29:19.560 And I don't need to know what gets you excited.

00:29:22.420 And that's my problem with Carl Nassib is that the media has reacted like, oh, my God. 0.98

00:29:30.080 What Carl Nassib does with his penis makes him more ethical and courageous than Jason Whitlock. 0.99

00:29:37.320 And I completely disagree with that. 0.99

00:29:40.640 Well, what of the argument, Jason, that, you know, gays, you know, typically, not as much in recent years, but typically have had a hard time in the country.

00:29:49.200 They certainly aren't, you know, prevalent or at least out and prevalent in the NFL.

00:29:52.740 And so this may make, you know, some young kids struggling with their sexuality, feeling uncomfortable, feel more accepted and more like it's going to be okay.

00:30:01.620 There is some truth to that.

00:30:04.060 And I am aware, from my own childhood, in terms of I can remember kids, particularly male kids, that were more feminine than the rest of us and the type of bullying and harassment that they experienced.

00:30:18.780 I am really glad that that has lessened in this new era.

00:30:26.800 And it's been healthy for the country.

00:30:29.400 And so we have to be accepting and view men that express their masculinity or express their sensibilities in a different way than John Wayne.

00:30:43.920 And so I think that's good and healthy.

00:30:46.860 But this whole we've moved to a point where we've a bit, in my view, overcorrected.

00:30:54.120 And I'll go ahead and say, try to put it in context and context and not get myself canceled.

00:31:02.020 But look, I don't view homosexuality any different than I view my choice to have sex outside of marriage. 0.54

00:31:15.520 They're just both sin. 0.93

00:31:17.940 So you're not having sex?

00:31:19.920 No, I've said I've had plenty of sex outside of marriage.

00:31:24.280 That's my point.

00:31:24.920 Yeah, that's my point.

00:31:25.820 But you see it as a sin.

00:31:28.180 It is certainly a sin.

00:31:29.780 It's certainly not something God wants me to do.

00:31:32.480 I put homosexuality in the same lane, not any worse than my sin, but that's how I see it. 1.00

00:31:44.120 And so for me, have been raised in the church and having these Christian beliefs, I think, and I've made choices, sacrifices because of my approach to life.

00:31:54.840 It's one of the main reasons I never got married, because for a long time, I didn't remotely believe in monogamy.

00:32:02.240 And so I thought it disqualified me from marriage.

00:32:04.760 Oh, you're polyamorous. 0.98

00:32:08.020 The practice of having multiple romantic partners at the same time with the consent of all parties.

00:32:12.200 You're not monogamous.

00:32:12.740 No, I wouldn't.

00:32:13.620 I wouldn't say I was that.

00:32:15.160 You look like you're polyelastic.

00:32:20.260 What?

00:32:20.740 Poly spandex.

00:32:28.020 Uncle Jimmy, I'm confused again.

00:32:30.400 I'm just going to leave it at.

00:32:31.660 Just making up stuff.

00:32:33.140 That I just wish we'd keep our sexual preferences more prior, all of us, whether heterosexual, homosexual, trisexual, quadruple sexual, whatever.

00:32:46.120 Now, I'll go down for that trisexual part. 1.00

00:32:48.580 Don't try anything.

00:32:51.720 I won't say.

00:32:54.280 She's on top of the game, ain't she?

00:32:57.840 I understand the biblical definition.

00:32:59.500 She has to get on the show.

00:33:01.820 Yes, have me on, of what's in and what's not.

00:33:04.260 And I get that when it comes to gay relationships, gay and lesbian.

00:33:06.680 For me, I don't know.

00:33:07.960 I was always raised to believe in a loving God who loves us and that we're not mistakes and that he loves us as we are.

00:33:13.980 Or I just don't – maybe I'm just like a newfangled Catholic, but I don't see a God that's that judgmental of you based on your sexuality.

00:33:22.680 I realize what's been written.

00:33:26.100 I think it looks at your heart whether you're a loving, kind person and not what your sexual preferences are.

00:33:32.300 Well, hold on, man.

00:33:33.560 I think that the Bible is like a playbook for life and that the principles expressed in the Bible, there's a reason and a logic why God, I think, believes in monogamy and sex within a marriage.

00:33:49.180 I think it leads to a happier, more successful life.

00:33:56.320 The wages of sin, take it – I'll move away from sex, but it's just like the Bible preaches against gluttony and I have a problem with gluttony.

00:34:07.080 And there are complications from gluttony and being overweight and the Bible and God wants you to avoid that. 0.96

00:34:13.700 And there are complications to sex outside of marriage.

00:34:19.140 That's why we have – if you look at all the illegitimate kids – 0.97

00:34:23.240 There's consequences.

00:34:24.860 That we have running around America and just this whole sexual freedom deal, there's complications to that.

00:34:34.500 We have a lot of kids that have grown up and have never been raised because people that have put no thought into sex and having kids are having kids and they're letting video games and grandmamas and aunties and cousins raise them and foster care and all this other stuff.

00:34:56.200 So I think there's a logic behind what the Bible preaches and what God prescribes and we ignore it at our own peril.

00:35:06.860 Well, I see your point on that.

00:35:08.880 I've said before it would be great if my kids would choose to be abstinent before marriage.

00:35:14.260 I doubt it's going to happen, but I would love it if they decided to go that route. 0.96

00:35:18.500 But to me, it seems different than talking about people who are gay or lesbian is that if you are gay and you try to live as a straight person, your life is miserable.

00:35:28.140 You're not happier. 0.97

00:35:29.640 You could become suicidal. 0.88

00:35:31.880 A lot of gay folks historically have. 0.69

00:35:34.540 Conversion therapy gets unleashed on you. 0.99

00:35:36.360 That makes you even more miserable.

00:35:38.140 You could become a dysfunctional person if you're pushed through that where you otherwise could lead a totally happy, well-adjusted life if you're just allowed to be true to who you are.

00:35:47.140 Or to me, that's what God wants for us.

00:35:49.540 He wants us to be true to who we are.

00:35:52.100 I think that's what society wants for us.

00:35:56.220 And I would say my sexual desires need to be tamed for me to live my best life.

00:36:08.200 And so, again, I wouldn't be, and I'm not, I don't think God is asking homosexuals to do anything that he's not asking me to do as well as a heterosexual person who has, you know, had, you know, a lot of sex outside of marriage. 0.90

00:36:28.840 That I've literally in the past few years as my spirituality has grown deeper, I've changed course and have been going a better direction and I see the benefits of it in my life.

00:36:41.000 You know, with that statement of, I think that that's the reason, that that's the importance of having God in your life early.

00:36:53.500 That's the importance of having a strong spiritual and religious belief early.

00:36:59.960 That's the reason you have to have values and morality early.

00:37:03.160 You can't wait until you get 18, 19, and 20 and start deciding, oh, I need to learn how to say no.

00:37:09.460 Because if you start having morals and values early, then you don't have to get to this part to where now God got a judge on the curb.

00:37:19.280 He's like, see, I told you this was going to happen.

00:37:22.420 Well, I think as a general principle, that's true.

00:37:24.520 But now when you're talking about one's sexuality, which most people will tell you, not these weirdos today who are just like, I'm ex-sexual, some made up thing that they're just choosing to sound what they think is cool.

00:37:35.600 I'm talking about people who genuinely have a different sexuality other than straight.

00:37:40.060 You know, they talk about, you know, I tried kissing somebody of the opposite sex at 10 just to see if I might actually feel something. 0.54

00:37:47.280 And no, I knew I was gay.

00:37:49.180 They knew it.

00:37:49.980 You know, it's not like morality is going to change that for them.

00:37:52.700 The way I see, I think, some of evolution in the church and certainly in society is as a blessing and a benevolence and a real sign of progress that we're loving our gay brothers and sisters and accepting them in a way we never did in a way that was very damaging to them.

00:38:09.960 Anyway, I see that you see it differently.

00:38:11.800 And I've heard this, of course, having a lot of people who are much more biblical than I am.

00:38:15.840 But I just, you know, I think about my own kids and if they turned out to be gay or lesbian, I certainly wouldn't be trying to change it. 0.99

00:38:22.560 And I certainly wouldn't want anybody else to be looking at them as just, I don't know, anything other than awesome.

00:38:27.960 I think that I am loving and accepting of everyone, regardless of whatever their sexuality is or sexuality issues are.

00:38:37.320 The only thing I would just like as a society has to have a standard and a goal and again, and we can have those without because my promiscuity has never put me outside or made me a pariah in society.

00:39:01.880 And so I, we need to quit making gay people a pariah in society.

00:39:09.420 Certainly agree with that. 0.86

00:39:11.340 They need to.

00:39:11.760 There's certainly made progress there.

00:39:13.060 Yeah.

00:39:13.520 Their sin through sexuality, no different than mine.

00:39:17.420 But where I'm really concerned, Megan, and I'm sure you've heard this before too, is just like when we come to this thing, well, you know, I just grew up.

00:39:26.360 Like in 10 year old boys and girls.

00:39:29.160 No, you can't link pedophilia with gay and lesbian, with LGBTQ, ABCD.

00:39:36.400 It's not the same thing.

00:39:37.340 I'm just saying, where does it stop when we start talking about-

00:39:39.340 No, no.

00:39:39.640 Those two things aren't related.

00:39:40.860 They're not related at all.

00:39:41.760 One is a sickness.

00:39:42.660 One is a mental illness and a criminal act. 0.99

00:39:44.840 And one is just one sexual preference.

00:39:46.960 Well, you can't say preference anymore, but one is just one sexuality.

00:39:49.920 It's not a slippery slope.

00:39:51.200 They're two totally different things.

00:39:52.620 Okay.

00:39:53.000 Let me say, look, I'll stop.

00:39:55.160 I'll stop because it does get a lot.

00:39:57.100 Wait, but can I just ask you something?

00:39:58.160 And if this is too personal, just tell me to pound sand.

00:40:01.180 But if you're not married and you don't believe in sex outside of marriage, are you just living like a monk?

00:40:08.100 I mean, I just, you're too young, too good looking.

00:40:11.620 You make too much money to be living like a monk right now.

00:40:14.860 How do you handle that?

00:40:16.060 No, no, no, no, no.

00:40:16.700 You did not hear him, Megan.

00:40:18.320 He said that he is with, he is not without sin.

00:40:22.300 Yes.

00:40:22.800 I am certainly not without sin.

00:40:24.940 I'm making efforts to course correct.

00:40:28.160 I'm trying to, you know.

00:40:30.000 Part of the reason I'm in progress.

00:40:31.360 Yeah, I left Los Angeles and moved to Nashville was to help myself and to be around high quality women who would make me elevate myself and just, I'm trying to be in a different mindset.

00:40:49.300 Do I sin?

00:40:50.600 I would say not as much as I used to.

00:40:53.660 I guess that's what I'm saying.

00:40:55.280 It's called progress.

00:40:56.320 It's called progress.

00:40:56.740 Big sexy.

00:40:57.660 He sins.

00:40:59.120 Up next, apparently our best runner, Sha'Carri Richardson, is not going to be representing the U.S. in the Olympics because she had a positive test on marijuana. 0.95

00:41:08.180 AOC and others are saying this is racist.

00:41:11.180 The guys take that up next.

00:41:12.700 But before we get to that, I want to bring you a feature we have here on the MK Show called From the Archives.

00:41:18.720 This is where we direct your ears back to a previous Megyn Kelly Show episode from our growing library that we think you need to hear again.

00:41:25.980 And today we are going back to episode 59 from February.

00:41:29.380 We hear a lot about critical race theory in schools these days.

00:41:32.620 But back in February, when we started covering the story, we were one of the few.

00:41:36.180 And before he started becoming a true household name, we were joined by Chris Ruffo, who has been so smart and so important in this whole battle about what critical race theory is all about.

00:41:49.160 Take a listen.

00:41:50.360 Can we talk about that?

00:41:51.140 So let's go back and just talk about what critical race theory is.

00:41:53.780 I think a lot of people think they have a general idea, but don't really understand what is critical race theory.

00:41:59.060 Yeah, and critical race theory is a kind of academic movement that started really to kind of blossom in the 1990s and was really relegated to academia.

00:42:08.860 And the idea is that is to kind of use race as a lens through which to analyze society and basically saying analysis up to this point has discounted the importance of race.

00:42:21.340 We should really look at race, racial discrimination, racial oppression, and at that point, I agree. 1.00

00:42:28.140 I think that's actually important.

00:42:29.500 So the kind of premise is correct. 0.65

00:42:31.400 But they take another step, which is to say that they make a kind of historical judgment and then a legal judgment and a cultural judgment that the United States is fundamentally and irredeemably racist and white supremacist.

00:42:47.800 And that all of our institutions from the founding of the country to the current day are merely kind of cover or smokescreens for racist oppression.

00:42:59.060 And the critical race theorists actually started out of law schools and their idea was that the fundamental rights that we have as Americans enshrined in the Constitution, articulated in the Declaration, are actually kind of perpetuators of evil.

00:43:16.140 And that we should essentially overthrow the constitutional order and end the kind of unfettered protection of speech, end individual rights as individuals, end private property, which is another form of discrimination, and then end kind of 14th Amendment protections that you're all treated equally under the law.

00:43:38.940 For the critical race theorists, these aren't actually signs of progress.

00:43:41.900 Even the Civil Rights Act, even desegregating schools, they were very skeptical of this because they say it gives the appearance of progress, but actually doesn't change the fact that racism is as bad in 2021 as it was in 1814.

00:43:58.860 It's incredible to see how far this topic has come in just the past five months.

00:44:02.500 And we're going to have more on it here at the MK Show in the weeks ahead.

00:44:05.640 And we will keep bringing you more clips you need to hear from the archives.

00:44:10.180 Now back to Jason and Uncle Jimmy after this.

00:44:18.560 Help me understand why you are not on the side of, I think it's just Sha'Carri Richardson.

00:44:24.820 Is that how you pronounce it?

00:44:25.580 I've only seen it written.

00:44:26.600 Sha'Carri, I think.

00:44:28.100 Sha'Carri Richardson.

00:44:29.640 Okay, so she's apparently like our best runner. 0.99

00:44:32.100 And she's not going to be going to the Olympics to represent the United States because she had a positive test for marijuana, I guess. 1.00

00:44:38.360 And, you know, them's the breaks.

00:44:41.500 And Joe Biden said, sorry, but that's them's the breaks.

00:44:45.580 But there's been a lot of pushback on the Internet and otherwise on this saying it's unfair.

00:44:53.620 And you've got people like AOC saying that the criminalization and banning of cannabis is an instrument of racist and colonial policy.

00:45:01.540 This is colonialism, the fact that she can't race, even though the policy was pretty clear. 0.89

00:45:07.400 And to her credit, as far as I can see, she is not claiming that.

00:45:10.600 She's like, made a mistake, got to bear the consequences of it.

00:45:13.500 But the left is saying that this is actually somehow racist and part of our colonial history.

00:45:20.620 Your thoughts?

00:45:21.040 The rule was pretty clear, and it's an international standard.

00:45:27.120 Not everybody has America's new outlook on marijuana.

00:45:32.540 Other countries, you know, when you go all over the globe, there are different standards.

00:45:38.140 And so the International Olympic Committee has to come up with a standard that works for everybody.

00:45:43.060 Marijuana is still on the don't use list.

00:45:46.020 And so I don't have a lot of sympathy.

00:45:48.520 She broke the rule. 0.81

00:45:49.320 I do think she's made an excuse by because they keep saying, Megan, her biological mother died.

00:45:55.800 And the reason why they keep using biological, I think, is because she didn't have much of a relationship with her mother or they would just say her mother died.

00:46:06.260 And so the death of her biological mother allegedly caused her to use marijuana. 1.00

00:46:12.560 I tend to not buy that.

00:46:14.000 I smoked pot when I was throughout my college years, drank a lot throughout my college years.

00:46:23.520 I'm not some prude or whatever.

00:46:25.820 I've written as a journalist about America's drug war and the unfairness of how the drug war was prosecuted.

00:46:32.120 As a sports writer, I've written extensively about this.

00:46:36.040 Having said all that, we should quit acting like marijuana is harmless.

00:46:40.520 And we have to understand that there's a connection between drugs and alcohol and criminal behavior.

00:46:51.880 Most of the people, and I say that 60, 70 percent of the people that commit violent crimes are on some type of drug or alcohol, mind-altering hallucinogen.

00:47:06.000 And so we just need to quit acting like, oh, man, they're just smoking pot.

00:47:09.720 Most of the bad decisions I made in life could be attributed to either marijuana or alcohol use.

00:47:18.280 Or women. 0.79

00:47:19.180 Or women. 1.00

00:47:20.460 Me doing something stupid. 1.00

00:47:23.040 And usually those all work in combination. 1.00

00:47:25.660 Women, drugs and alcohol, and dumb decisions. 1.00

00:47:29.300 For men, they all work in combination. 0.94

00:47:32.160 And then the other thing I would say, Megan, and I'm out here a little bit, but I just think they could have put her on the Olympic team to run the 4x100 relay because her 30-day suspension will be up when the 4x100 relay comes up at the Olympics.

00:47:50.620 They chose not to.

00:47:52.620 And so that, to me, indicates there are potentially other red flags.

00:47:58.640 Her teammates aren't rallying around her.

00:48:00.980 The USA track and field is not rallying around her.

00:48:05.760 Oh, that's fascinating.

00:48:06.860 So maybe there's more to the story, and they may be protecting her with this story.

00:48:11.440 Look, when it comes to track and field athletes.

00:48:14.480 It might be easier just to say she failed a weed test.

00:48:17.220 Well, I'm not even going to say she failed some other kind of test.

00:48:21.180 What I'm saying is your peers always know when you're doping far more than a drug test will tell you.

00:48:30.380 Your peers know it.

00:48:32.260 They don't have to wait on some drug test to confirm it.

00:48:36.000 And to me, when they didn't put her on the Olympic team on the 4x100 relay, I was like, I wonder what they think.

00:48:43.560 I wonder what the people that know.

00:48:44.800 Yeah, what they know, think, what the people that actually have interacted with her know her far better than all the celebrities and tweeters and everybody.

00:48:54.380 They know her better than everybody, and they don't want her on the team, or they would have put her on the relay team.

00:49:00.260 Well, I should state for the record, we have absolutely no proof nor even any allegations that she's doping.

00:49:05.420 But it's an interesting distinction.

00:49:06.580 It's commonplace in track and field.

00:49:08.400 I hadn't yet.

00:49:09.120 Well, of course.

00:49:10.320 I mean, listen, when I was at Syracuse, the athletes there, it was a Division I school in virtually all major categories.

00:49:17.740 They would openly talk about how they were beating the drug test.

00:49:20.400 And this is back 30 years ago, 1988 to 92, I was in college.

00:49:24.440 They'd openly talk about how they were way ahead of the drug test.

00:49:26.880 And, of course, we've seen so much of that, Lance Armstrong and so on.

00:49:29.160 So it's one of the downsides of the doping world is that they've gotten so advanced and so clever that you just never know.

00:49:37.260 Tennis, too.

00:49:37.820 My husband wrote a whole book about the tennis world.

00:49:41.100 It was a fictional novel, but he had done a lot of research.

00:49:44.400 I never knew you were married.

00:49:46.760 Yeah, yeah, I'm married.

00:49:47.740 I'm on my second marriage.

00:49:48.620 I would have never agreed to do this interview if I had known you were married.

00:49:52.340 I'm so married.

00:49:53.040 Jesus, Lord, Jason.

00:49:55.460 Come on.

00:49:56.580 What were those letters you said earlier?

00:49:58.580 And I thought she graduated in 2002 from college.

00:50:01.940 Thank you so much for that.

00:50:03.520 That's why I was...

00:50:04.640 That's what I...

00:50:04.660 That's just a baby.

00:50:05.580 I was like a Doogie Howser.

00:50:06.560 That's that marijuana that you smoked three times.

00:50:10.420 It really does have long-lasting effects.

00:50:12.760 Yeah.

00:50:13.540 All right, last but not least, let's get to the Fourth of July.

00:50:16.420 Because you've had some interesting pieces out lately about our country and how the removal of faith 0.98

00:50:21.960 is by design and has been really toxic and damaging to our society.

00:50:27.800 And that it's not an accident.

00:50:30.900 You know, you call it, I think, Sin Valley.

00:50:34.000 What do you call Silicon Valley?

00:50:35.700 Satan Con Valley.

00:50:36.780 Satan Con Valley.

00:50:38.760 That they've...

00:50:40.320 They are not forces for good.

00:50:41.940 And that, you know, the total rejection of faith in the public square has led to a lot of bad things.

00:50:46.500 And I...

00:50:48.320 You wrote this not long before we got to July 4th.

00:50:50.900 And it rang true for me because on the Fourth of July here at my house, we had a big party.

00:50:56.360 We had Daniel Rodriguez, the singer, the patriotic, the singing policeman he's called, America's tenor.

00:51:03.580 He sang all over the country, God Bless America, right after 9-11 and made him a star.

00:51:07.440 Anyway, we had our kids recite the Declaration of Independence.

00:51:10.680 Our friends and family did too.

00:51:12.340 It was wonderful.

00:51:13.580 Celebrated the country.

00:51:15.280 This is what I read when I get back to the actual press.

00:51:19.260 Cori Bush.

00:51:20.800 When they say the Fourth, the July 4th is about freedom.

00:51:23.600 Remember this.

00:51:24.940 The freedom they're referring to is for white people. 0.99

00:51:27.200 This land is stolen and black people still aren't free. 1.00

00:51:30.680 Then there's Maxine Waters. 0.96

00:51:32.080 Railing about the part about all men created equal.

00:51:34.440 None of us love that, but we get it.

00:51:36.420 It was a long time ago.

00:51:37.580 About voter suppression laws and painting.

00:51:40.040 Still, Michael Brown is a victim.

00:51:41.560 Michael Brown is the aggressor.

00:51:42.480 He got shot because he had repeatedly attacked a police officer.

00:51:45.060 According to five black witnesses on the scene who convinced the black attorney general,

00:51:48.280 Eric Holder, under the black president, Barack Obama, that Michael Brown was no victim.

00:51:52.540 Okay, Maxine. 0.84

00:51:53.360 Then there's the New York Times.

00:51:55.400 Today, flying the American flag from the back of a pickup truck or over a lawn is increasingly

00:52:00.880 seen as a clue, albeit an imperfect one, to a person's political affiliation in a deeply

00:52:07.520 divided nation.

00:52:08.720 So only Republicans will fly the flag.

00:52:11.060 That's according to the New York Times.

00:52:12.580 Okay.

00:52:12.940 And then here's the last one.

00:52:15.260 Well, actually, just FYI, Mara Gay, who's on the New York Times editorial board, she said

00:52:18.940 just last month that she was disturbed to see dozens of American flags being flown by Trump

00:52:22.300 supporters in Long Island.

00:52:23.360 It was disturbing to her.

00:52:25.120 And then there's Claire McCaskill, who announced that she is going to make... 1.00

00:52:28.360 Like, she's going to make her family watch video of the Capitol Hill riot from January 6th every

00:52:36.780 July 4th.

00:52:38.140 Oh, my God.

00:52:39.600 Remind me not to go to her picnic.

00:52:41.000 So I'd love to get your thoughts on the anti-Americanism, the belief that the flag is now just a Republican thing and that patriotism lies in watching the Capitol riot and talking 0.92

00:52:53.860 about basically reinforcing how shitty the country is.

00:52:56.800 People that are involved in the retelling and reimagining of American history are doing it for the express purpose of trying to create the narrative and the belief that democracy and capitalism, our Constitution, our Declaration of Independence, our Founding Fathers, all failures. 0.79

00:53:25.000 And it's failed so spectacularly that we need a great reset.

00:53:31.900 We need to remake America and the world, and we need to make it in China's image. 1.00

00:53:37.820 That is the agenda.

00:53:39.460 That is the goal.

00:53:41.240 These global elites and global corporations prefer China's system of government, and they want to convert us to that.

00:53:52.740 The Chinese Communist Party runs China.

00:53:56.420 They want that here in America. 0.97

00:53:59.820 And so they have to create the belief, and they're doing it through black people because the actual truth about the black American journey, it doesn't damn America. 0.89

00:54:14.480 It actually explains America and how inviting and how great freedom is and how our system and the documents from the Declaration of Independence to the Constitution allow for dramatic change that increases freedom for men, I mean, for black people and for women in this country.

00:54:40.080 That's been our history, that's been our history.

00:54:41.560 And black people's pursuit of freedom was the steroids that made America great. 0.78

00:54:49.960 Black people fighting for freedom from slavery, fighting for freedom from Jim Crow and segregation and just our full rights, powered America for 200 years into being the greatest country on earth.

00:55:07.860 And black people have been America's moral conscious and compass and have made Christians, believers, pursue their better selves and make this country pursue its better self.

00:55:23.380 They're rewriting history.

00:55:25.100 No longer is America the greatest thing and that all the rest of the globe is trying to get in, beat in our doors. 0.96

00:55:32.100 Our borders are jammed to the south because America is so great and it has nothing to do with any of this crap the left is talking about.

00:55:44.780 It has to do, everybody else can see the obvious freedom and opportunity here, and that's what America promises, freedom and opportunity. 0.74

00:55:53.060 It doesn't promise you freedom from ever getting offended or any of this other crap that everybody thinks now America is supposed to do.

00:56:01.660 But all that you're hearing from Cori Bush, Maxine Waters, the New York Times and all the other, they want to reimagine America's history, use it as a excuse to blow up our Constitution, to take away our rights and freedom and make us more like China.

00:56:24.080 Uncle Jimmy, what would you do if you showed up at Claire McCaskill's house on the 4th of July and she started running video of the Capitol Hill riot on January 6th?

00:56:35.520 I'd probably ask her what was next.

00:56:37.460 Is she going to show the autobiography of Roots?

00:56:42.320 Roots?

00:56:43.660 Roots, yeah, the TV.

00:56:45.300 Well, I mean, what's next?

00:56:46.580 What's the next movie?

00:56:48.100 I mean, what are you going to do next?

00:56:49.780 Black Panther?

00:56:50.760 What?

00:56:51.100 I mean, that that I like how you went to Black Panther fiction, another fictional story, because this insurrection thing is a fiction bunch of unarmed people.

00:57:01.420 It was you saying Wakanda ain't real.

00:57:04.400 Yeah, Wakanda's not real.

00:57:05.700 You better get to see. 0.97

00:57:06.740 That's why black people don't like it's as phony as the insurrection. 0.99

00:57:09.240 Man, get out of here. 0.99

00:57:10.240 It's as phony as insurrection.

00:57:11.900 Wakanda forever. 1.00

00:57:12.800 Damn it. 1.00

00:57:14.280 What a bummer. 1.00

00:57:15.560 Honestly, like, can you imagine?

00:57:17.380 Just like, let's pick any bad chapter in our country's history, put it on camera.

00:57:23.640 All right.

00:57:23.900 So I'm going to talk about you guys, because last time we had you on, Jason, you were solo.

00:57:28.540 But there is a reason that Uncle Jimmy is with us right now.

00:57:31.800 James, Uncle Jimmy Dobbs.

00:57:33.420 And that's because you two are co-hosts of your new podcast, which is called Fearless.

00:57:39.820 I love it.

00:57:40.360 Fearless with Jason Whitlock.

00:57:41.400 Did Uncle Jimmy not make it into the title of the Fearless man, or did somebody short

00:57:46.160 form my back in here?

00:57:47.120 I did not tell her to say that, Jason.

00:57:48.680 It's a contract dispute.

00:57:49.760 Stop with that, Jimmy.

00:57:50.440 It's a contract dispute that, you know, at some point, Uncle Jimmy will probably release

00:57:57.080 some kind of private phone conversation that we had, or I had with somebody and blackmail

00:58:02.180 me into putting his name in the title.

00:58:04.040 Oh, no.

00:58:04.360 There should be a little asterisk.

00:58:05.300 I got video, buddy.

00:58:05.700 I got video.

00:58:06.460 Remember the Tybo era when everybody, I got video, you and Billy Blank.

00:58:17.880 It's not pretty.

00:58:18.940 That would be funny.

00:58:19.500 Yeah, that would be funny video.

00:58:21.480 So how did you guys connect?

00:58:26.560 When I was working in Kansas City, I hosted a local radio show called Jason Whitlock's

00:58:33.420 Neighborhood.

00:58:34.100 It's a morning radio show, and Uncle Jimmy was a DJ that would call in to my radio show

00:58:41.440 under the name of Jimmy the Freak.

00:58:44.960 Didn't have to say that.

00:58:46.360 Yeah, this had to be 20 some odd years ago.

00:58:51.220 30.

00:58:51.540 And so Jim was this character that called into my radio show, and, you know, Jim considered

00:58:59.080 himself a ladies' man, and he worked at some nightclub called the Firelight, I think.

00:59:04.660 Did I get that right, Jim?

00:59:05.820 That's right.

00:59:06.380 The Firelight Lounge.

00:59:07.120 The Firelight Lounge.

00:59:07.740 Eight teeth are parallel.

00:59:08.480 Can't see the cans.

00:59:10.240 And so...

00:59:10.840 So I hear.

00:59:11.940 Yeah.

00:59:12.240 Jim would call in with funny tales about his exploits with ladies and the sports world.

00:59:20.720 Hmm.

00:59:21.820 Jim is not worried about sin.

00:59:23.120 That was in a previous life.

00:59:27.480 Okay.

00:59:28.540 You're a form now.

00:59:29.600 That's where prayer and forgiveness come in at.

00:59:33.400 And support checks.

00:59:34.460 My name's fun.

00:59:35.540 Exactly.

00:59:36.700 Exactly.

00:59:37.140 So you connect.

00:59:39.180 You had a chemistry.

00:59:40.740 And so what made you partner up, Jason, when you were launching this new show?

00:59:46.500 And it's with The Blaze, I should say.

00:59:47.760 There's video, too, so they can get you in whatever way they want to get you.

00:59:50.840 And I love Glenn, so yet another great hire by him.

00:59:55.060 What made you say, you know, what would add to this?

00:59:58.080 I want to bring back Jimmy.

00:59:59.440 I want a partnership there.

01:00:00.360 Well, you have to remember, Jimmy, in how many years ago?

01:00:06.960 Three years ago, Jim, was still in Kansas City, Kansas.

01:00:11.560 He was...

01:00:12.880 This is a true story.

01:00:13.860 Yeah.

01:00:14.100 He was a sergeant.

01:00:17.200 I worked in law enforcement for 17 years.

01:00:19.760 I worked in the sheriff's department in Kansas City, Kansas.

01:00:25.280 And I decided I was going to bring him on to my television show at Fox Sports to play

01:00:32.460 the role of my uncle on my talk show, Speak for Yourself.

01:00:36.900 And people thought I was crazy.

01:00:40.160 People thought I was crazy?

01:00:41.900 Yeah. 0.97

01:00:42.260 Well, you were crazy, so they were. 0.78

01:00:44.520 But they thought I was crazy for wanting to do it.

01:00:47.360 The guy works at a jail.

01:00:49.000 Are you going to crack jokes on TV now?

01:00:51.540 What are you talking about?

01:00:52.720 And so I had to twist arms and beg, and eventually they allowed Jimmy to come on to move out to

01:00:59.980 L.A. and appear on my TV show, Speak for Yourself.

01:01:02.460 Did a great job there with me for two years.

01:01:05.740 And then I left and went to OutKick, and Uncle Jimmy stayed back.

01:01:09.640 What a friend.

01:01:10.700 And continue to work on Speak for Yourself.

01:01:12.840 And I told him, I was like, look, man, when I get into my new thing and I get my show up,

01:01:17.860 I'm going to bring you to Nashville to work with me again, and we'll continue the, you

01:01:23.920 know, that I got this, this, this narrative.

01:01:26.200 I got this uncle that beats me up and cracks jokes on me and puts me in my place.

01:01:31.700 And I'm kind of known as a bully. 0.72

01:01:33.260 My shtick is I'm a bully.

01:01:34.700 And so Uncle Jimmy is the guy that bullies me back. 0.76

01:01:37.700 He bullies you.

01:01:38.420 OK, I get that.

01:01:39.480 So now, Uncle Jimmy, how did you get into this?

01:01:42.260 Like, how did you find your way, was this, was the opportunity of calling into Jason's

01:01:46.880 show, your first public appearance?

01:01:49.460 You know, is that the first radio you did?

01:01:49.760 First of all, it wasn't Jason's show.

01:01:51.260 Jason always tells this story and says it was his show.

01:01:54.400 It wasn't his show.

01:01:55.040 Well, I called it Jason Whitlock's Neighborhood.

01:01:56.560 After you got hired, before then, it was, it was just, it was just the show that was caller

01:02:02.140 driven.

01:02:02.600 And then suddenly he came aboard and took over the show.

01:02:06.260 And that's, that, that was it.

01:02:09.380 And you felt you were overlooked for the role?

01:02:11.520 No, no, it wasn't even that.

01:02:13.460 He just, it was, it was a show that, that, that, that the callers ran.

01:02:19.460 We just, we just took, did the whole show and Jason came and added structure to the show.

01:02:25.180 And it, it was just a joke that nobody liked him because he, he was running horrible callers

01:02:31.660 off.

01:02:32.260 Jason doesn't like small talk.

01:02:33.680 So people would call and say, good morning, Jason.

01:02:36.000 He just hang up on him.

01:02:38.640 That is true.

01:02:39.440 That reminds me of, uh, when I was doing the O'Reilly factor, when I was at Fox, I was

01:02:43.700 coming up young in my career. 0.99

01:02:45.060 You'd sit down on the set with Bill and you have to shoot the shit a little before, you 0.99

01:02:49.080 know, the segment starts, right? 0.99

01:02:50.120 You're, you come in during the break and you're waiting for the top of the show or what have

01:02:53.180 you, and I'd say, how's it going, Bill?

01:02:56.240 How you doing?

01:02:56.920 And he'd say, I'm the same, Kelly.

01:02:59.140 The same.

01:03:01.040 Sounds like Jason.

01:03:03.000 I'm not real big on small talk, Jim.

01:03:05.020 But you know, I'll say this about Jason, uh, the friendship with Jason and I, truthfully.

01:03:13.700 Um, it was a friendship that Jason saw that, I mean, I, I, I, he saw that I was working

01:03:20.360 in a, uh, uh, yeah, at that time.

01:03:23.600 Yeah.

01:03:24.100 Yeah.

01:03:24.320 I was working as a DJ and a carpenter, right?

01:03:27.040 Uh, I was sanding hardwood floors.

01:03:29.820 Uh, I was, I, I, I, I, I was, but he, I was also trying to be a wannabe comedian.

01:03:36.240 And I think the thing that Jason did, or let me just say this.

01:03:40.500 Jason was a friend of mine that I looked at and instead of looking at him like everybody

01:03:46.840 else and trying to find faults in him, I looked at him.

01:03:49.760 He was somebody that I looked up to.

01:03:50.900 He was somebody that I said, Hmm, I, I, I wish I could do that.

01:03:56.460 And after trial and error and finally, uh, uh, uh, learning a few things and Jason trying

01:04:03.560 to get me to understand Jim, you can either advance and be with me or you can stay in that

01:04:10.040 nightclub like everybody else in my daddy's nightclub and everybody else in our neighborhood.

01:04:15.220 You can either stay in that neighborhood or you can advance with me.

01:04:17.860 And it requires some changes that I had to make in my life.

01:04:21.360 It required some, some different thinking that I had to make.

01:04:25.240 And, you know, Jason just had this thing.

01:04:26.860 And I just want to say this real quick.

01:04:28.180 It was just always a case of Jim, when I make it, I'm going to come back and get you.

01:04:32.020 You know, you always hear that story of two friends and one leaves and I'm going to come

01:04:35.620 back and get you.

01:04:36.840 Well, the time came and he came back and got me.

01:04:39.280 And I was, I was conducting roll call on Wednesday and on Monday I was on TV.

01:04:45.920 Wow.

01:04:46.780 Oh, I love that story.

01:04:48.960 So, I mean, you tell me, cause I, that this is an interesting background in Jason.

01:04:53.240 And when I see him, we're going to pretend he's not here for the second, uh, for the moment.

01:04:57.740 When I see him, I do see somebody who's fearless because it's not easy to speak out in the way

01:05:02.900 he does about this stuff.

01:05:04.160 You know, I mean, so we don't see eye to eye on, you know, the position about gays and

01:05:09.160 lesbians in the country, but it's a conversation that we can have. 1.00

01:05:12.480 It's okay.

01:05:12.960 It doesn't, doesn't cause me to demonize him or want to demonize him, but he gets demonized.

01:05:17.320 He gets demonized for his stance in particular on, you know, black lives matter and defending

01:05:21.600 our country and going after the sports leagues for being in bed with China.

01:05:25.380 And everybody wants to diminish him for that. 0.82

01:05:27.360 And it's much, much harder to be a black man and say these things, even than to be a white

01:05:31.000 woman and say these, you're going to get called names either way. 1.00

01:05:33.080 But he doesn't seem to give a flying fig if you're going to say bad things about him.

01:05:38.720 And I really admire that.

01:05:40.120 So has he always been like that?

01:05:42.580 Um, if you think that's bad, try imagine, imagining being his friend.

01:05:48.000 What do you mean?

01:05:49.840 What happens?

01:05:50.940 In other words, if you think those people, all of the things that you hear Jason, that

01:05:54.980 people say behind Jason's back, imagine me being his friend.

01:05:58.820 People go, what the hell's wrong with that man?

01:06:00.400 You need to tell him.

01:06:03.280 And in other words, Jason doesn't care.

01:06:06.040 Jason, what you see from Jason.

01:06:08.000 And that's what I learned from him.

01:06:09.900 Uh, the one thing I've learned up until, up until now is if you, Jason taught me that

01:06:15.600 if it don't make dollars, it don't make sense.

01:06:17.240 Jim, if it's not putting food on your kids' tables or clothes on their back, what are you

01:06:24.160 talking about?

01:06:25.240 See, Jason taught me a lesson because I had this thing that's like, oh, he disrespected

01:06:30.020 me.

01:06:31.540 I'm going to have to go.

01:06:32.400 He challenged my manhood. 1.00

01:06:35.540 He's like, Jim, you sound stupid. 1.00

01:06:38.000 You sound like people in my dad's club. 1.00

01:06:39.480 And the moment I stopped thinking like that and I started thinking a little smarter, my

01:06:45.820 life changed.

01:06:47.240 Hmm.

01:06:47.940 I get that.

01:06:49.740 It is hard not to respond to your detractors and people who say untrue things about you.

01:06:55.900 You really want to punch back like all the time, but doing it is at your own peril, especially

01:07:01.420 when you know your life is elevating, you know, because of your hard work, because of

01:07:06.040 your connections that you've worked to make.

01:07:08.380 Your life is elevating and, and, you know, they say haters hate up.

01:07:13.220 So you always have to remember that, right? 0.81

01:07:14.720 Like, why would you punch down at these losers who are just jealous of you and want to say 0.96

01:07:18.520 bad things about you? 0.97

01:07:19.660 Because then when you respond, when you engage, it just makes them feel up at your level.

01:07:23.120 Thanks for staying with us this far.

01:07:26.780 The end of the episode and who's coming up on our next show is right after this quick

01:07:31.140 break.

01:07:35.080 It's like this.

01:07:36.120 They say you have to be like a duck. 0.95

01:07:38.120 You just don't give a darn. 0.96

01:07:41.520 Oh, now we're going to start censoring. 0.86

01:07:46.020 And that's the truth.

01:07:47.760 I mean, and that's the problem that we have in the world right now.

01:07:50.940 I mean, really?

01:07:51.440 Uh, you were using the analogy of Maria, Maria Taylor.

01:07:54.920 I think Jason was like using now.

01:07:56.280 He said it was a slap in the face.

01:07:57.680 And I wanted to say, have you ever been slapped in the face?

01:08:02.160 I mean, you know, have you ever been slapped?

01:08:04.500 I've been slapped before.

01:08:05.920 That hurts.

01:08:07.240 I would much rather have somebody say something about me.

01:08:09.960 That's what they say.

01:08:10.540 Sticks and stones will break your bones, but names don't hurt, hurt you.

01:08:15.140 Hey man, I would much rather you say something bad about me, but we're in a whole different.

01:08:18.760 It's cool.

01:08:19.460 I'm sensitive.

01:08:21.660 I know.

01:08:22.540 No, I know.

01:08:22.960 And Jason, you, you've spoken before about how it's not like you had this wonderful history

01:08:29.140 where no, no one ever said anything racist about you or did anything racist to you.

01:08:33.640 You decided to put, you know, nose to the grindstone, grind it out, work hard, make an impression,

01:08:40.100 and don't let these negative people's impressions of you or statements about you define you.

01:08:47.600 I've chosen to allow Jesus Christ and my immediate family and friends.

01:08:55.920 I'm going to let them define me.

01:08:58.620 And so if, if they have some complaints, I'll listen outsiders and just people that aren't happy with their life.

01:09:08.680 I just don't have time for that.

01:09:10.840 And so I wrote that, I wrote a recent piece, I think about, you know,

01:09:15.300 some of the things that happened to me early in my Kansas city star career, Kansas city star. 0.99

01:09:19.160 And, and I just, you start arguing with stupid people and it distracts you from the work you need to do to, 0.99

01:09:27.120 to maintain success and be more successful. 1.00

01:09:30.680 And, and then it's like some people have zero impact on your success.

01:09:35.620 All they can do is gossip and talk about you because that's the only role they can play in your life.

01:09:42.700 And it's just not that important of a role.

01:09:45.380 So, and, and I just, I just think about what my parents and grandparents and of the previous generation, 0.51

01:09:55.120 what they endured so that I could have the opportunities that I have.

01:09:59.860 And, and it just nothing, the resistance I face just doesn't compare.

01:10:07.460 Someone, Rachel Nichols gossiping with about me on a phone has no impact.

01:10:14.600 On my life.

01:10:15.760 It has no impact on Maria Taylor's life.

01:10:18.320 Rachel Nichols isn't denying Maria Taylor, any opportunities. 0.78

01:10:22.760 Maria Taylor has been fast tracked her whole career at ESPN. 0.55

01:10:26.880 She's been given nothing but opportunities.

01:10:29.840 And at 34 ESPN was willing to pay her $5 million a year.

01:10:34.920 I don't was, I'm trying to do the math.

01:10:37.040 I wasn't making $5 million at 34.

01:10:39.560 Your legs don't look as good as her legs look either. 0.99

01:10:42.000 I was just, come on now. 1.00

01:10:44.980 My damn ESPN is crazy. 1.00

01:10:47.180 It ain't that damn crazy. 1.00

01:10:48.840 You know, Uncle Jimmy, you can get in trouble for that now too. 0.70

01:10:51.120 Did you see the thing with Boris Becker?

01:10:53.060 Boris Becker was commenting on Wimbledon, I guess.

01:10:56.040 And they showed one of the players' wives, some guy lost to Djokovic.

01:11:01.300 And, and the guy who lost to him, he has a girlfriend, not a wife, I think.

01:11:04.660 Just a girlfriend. 0.58

01:11:06.020 And Boris Becker said, she's pretty. 0.98

01:11:07.720 She was, they were showing her on camera.

01:11:09.200 And there's this blowback, like, you're inappropriate.

01:11:13.320 How could you?

01:11:13.900 It's like, who are these people who think they speak for all women by saying what's offensive

01:11:18.320 and what's not?

01:11:19.080 If somebody wants to call me pretty, go for it.

01:11:21.120 Now look, if I'm in the middle of like-

01:11:23.300 Can I interrupt you?

01:11:24.080 Doing a presidential debate.

01:11:26.480 It'd be nice if you commented more on my intellect, but I don't care.

01:11:29.080 I like to be called, it's absurd.

01:11:31.040 I don't know who these feminists are who think that they're doing us some kind of a solid. 1.00

01:11:34.400 What if the camera would have went on her and he would have said, holy shit, she's ugly. 1.00

01:11:43.320 Then what would it have been? 1.00

01:11:45.100 Oh no.

01:11:45.800 Listen, the women in sport, I just looked it up. 1.00

01:11:48.740 The Women in Sport and Perception Agency.

01:11:52.260 Okay.

01:11:52.820 Unclear.

01:11:53.900 They say they've worked for decades to change sporting culture, including to end the

01:11:59.560 objectification of women. 1.00

01:12:01.300 When two men are comfortable talking about women in this way, nevermind on live TV, it

01:12:05.020 shows there is still more to do.

01:12:06.840 We need everyone to understand how this impacts on women and girls, how it makes them feel.

01:12:11.060 Well, you don't speak for me.

01:12:11.900 It makes me feel good.

01:12:12.740 You want to call me attractive.

01:12:14.020 Shouldn't we be inspiring the next generation of girls to play sport rather than talking about 0.96

01:12:18.060 what women look like? 1.00

01:12:19.140 All right, dumbasses. 1.00

01:12:20.060 She wasn't playing sport. 1.00

01:12:21.120 She was sitting in the bleachers watching her boyfriend play.

01:12:25.960 And by the way, if you go to this woman's social media, every single picture of her

01:12:29.340 is of her in a bikini looking sexy into the camera.

01:12:32.880 She has no problem with you calling her pretty. 0.99

01:12:36.380 So shut up, women in sport. 1.00

01:12:37.240 Could you put a link to that at the bottom of this, please? 0.99

01:12:41.020 I'm just saying.

01:12:41.860 Man, I like to go back and check your facts.

01:12:44.640 Go ahead.

01:12:45.100 Research.

01:12:48.360 Fact check, yeah.

01:12:50.780 Everything's, everything's banned.

01:12:52.420 But you know, your point about Maria Taylor, it's a good one.

01:12:56.380 And what if she had said, what if Kayla, what's her name, Johnson had brought her the tape?

01:13:02.640 Maria looked at it and said, hmm, I understand. 0.84

01:13:05.440 It sucks to get demoted.

01:13:06.940 Anyway, off I go to my major position that I've replaced Rachel in. 0.59

01:13:10.820 Yay.

01:13:11.440 Yay, me. 1.00

01:13:12.240 And then she just kicked ass. 1.00

01:13:14.000 You know, I mean, that would have been the way to handle it, in my view, the classiest 0.99

01:13:17.440 way.

01:13:17.660 And instead, she made a thing out of it.

01:13:19.620 Rachel went to HR.

01:13:20.820 Rachel Nichols has now apologized.

01:13:22.220 She refuses to accept the apology.

01:13:24.200 She won't return any of Rachel's calls or her texts.

01:13:27.140 She won't even speak to her.

01:13:28.160 She said Rachel can't appear on her show at all.

01:13:30.420 The NBA finals that she now, Maria, is hosting.

01:13:32.820 Rachel can't be on the show. 0.78

01:13:33.860 So ESPN taped Rachel Nichols' mini reports and put them on anyway so that they wouldn't 1.00

01:13:39.840 have to have any interaction.

01:13:41.780 And Maria wouldn't have to actually look at Rachel or talk to Rachel. 0.93

01:13:44.840 And then Maria felt slighted by that, that she even appeared on.

01:13:47.620 I mean, my God, get over it.

01:13:49.940 It's like, this is a tough industry.

01:13:51.720 People are going to throw elbows right in your eye.

01:13:53.780 And you've got to be able to forge forward.

01:13:55.840 Ooh.

01:13:56.360 You know what this is, Megan?

01:13:57.980 Here it goes.

01:13:58.580 I didn't originate this comment.

01:14:01.760 A friend of mine, Greg Couch, that appears on my show.

01:14:05.280 This is Nancy Kerrigan, Nancy Kerrigan, Tanya Harding in the broadcasting booth.

01:14:10.920 That's all.

01:14:11.340 That's what this is.

01:14:12.540 Yeah.

01:14:13.460 It's true.

01:14:14.220 Sometimes one competitor tries to club the other.

01:14:17.240 Yeah.

01:14:17.480 And, you know, the best revenge is to just go out on the ice, skate well, and get a medal.

01:14:22.180 Yes.

01:14:22.780 There you go.

01:14:23.960 Right?

01:14:24.180 I think Maria Taylor's Tanya Harding.

01:14:26.800 And Rachel Nichols is Nancy Kerrigan.

01:14:29.440 And I always, you know, I've always favored Nancy Kerrigan.

01:14:32.520 You know why I can't say that, to be honest with you?

01:14:35.060 I'm softening on Tanya.

01:14:36.320 Her teeth always bothered me. 0.95

01:14:37.040 Her teeth always bothered me. 0.95

01:14:39.520 Interesting.

01:14:40.500 Yeah, I know what you mean.

01:14:41.440 There's a big showing of the front teeth there and the smile.

01:14:44.460 But didn't you soften on Tanya Harding after the I, Tanya movie?

01:14:49.820 No, I don't think.

01:14:51.280 Was that the release porn video she put out?

01:14:54.620 No, that was Sergeant Marvel Robbie.

01:14:55.860 Yeah, I softened on her after that one. 1.00

01:14:59.760 After I saw that shit, I softened on her. 1.00

01:15:05.020 It wasn't good. 1.00

01:15:06.620 I don't think I bought that movie in terms of, I didn't buy the narrative art.

01:15:10.300 I thought it was too sympathetic and tried to paint her, you know, as this victim.

01:15:13.980 And I didn't buy it.

01:15:15.540 Although I did, I do remember at the time, I think I kind of preferred Tanya Harding.

01:15:19.900 She kind of had that other side of the tracks look that kind of appealed to her. 0.57

01:15:23.740 Yeah.

01:15:24.400 Yeah.

01:15:24.760 And she genuinely came from that. 1.00

01:15:26.480 And she had a pain in the ass mother. 1.00

01:15:27.840 That she'll do anything for a dollar look? 1.00

01:15:33.180 Like she'd fit into Diamond Joes. 1.00

01:15:35.060 I mean, didn't she look like she could really fit into Diamond Joes, Jim? 1.00

01:15:39.660 Give me a dollar to make you holler. 1.00

01:15:41.380 Really, Jason?

01:15:41.940 Oh, my God.

01:15:43.800 This is a lot of sinning, Uncle Jimmy and Jason.

01:15:46.780 That's him.

01:15:47.080 I'm trying.

01:15:47.560 I'm working with him, ma'am.

01:15:49.200 I'm trying.

01:15:49.840 Yeah, right.

01:15:50.980 I'm trying.

01:15:51.640 You might need a better spiritual leader, Jason Whitlock.

01:15:56.280 That's the problem.

01:15:57.420 I do.

01:15:58.020 Right?

01:15:58.460 And there we go.

01:16:00.580 Well, this is going to be fun to listen to and watch, you guys.

01:16:02.820 I see why it's worked so well.

01:16:04.260 You're so fun.

01:16:05.480 I love listening to you guys together. 0.80

01:16:07.120 And so far, it's kicking butt.

01:16:09.340 So keep rolling with it and keep on coming back. 0.73

01:16:12.260 It's been a pleasure, guys.

01:16:12.620 And I've heard you commit to coming on my show.

01:16:15.820 100%.

01:16:16.220 That's going to do it for this show.

01:16:21.740 You guys want to tune in on Monday because we've got comedian Chrissy Mayer.

01:16:26.340 She is a Trump-supporting female comedian.

01:16:30.200 Boom.

01:16:30.840 Need I say more?

01:16:32.200 She's going to be interesting.

01:16:33.460 And she is hilarious.

01:16:35.240 So I can't wait to talk to her.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 09, 2021

Jason Whitlock and ＂Uncle Jimmy＂ on Patriotism, Sin and Morality, and the Drama at ESPN ｜ Ep. 126

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