The Megyn Kelly Show - JD Vance Shines and Tim Walz Stumbles in VP Debate, with Johnson, Lowry, Halperin, Spicer, Turrentine, Bolling

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.900 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and our special live coverage of the vice presidential debate between Ohio Senator J.D. Vance and Minnesota Governor Tim Walz.

00:00:20.320 The moderators were not much better. They were a little better than ABC News. But J.D. Vance put on a master class in how to handle biased moderators and a lying opponent.

00:00:37.000 And it was a thing of beauty. It was beautiful. It was like every Republican or Republican voter or person who in this case is rooting for Trump knows exactly what I am feeling right now.

00:00:53.340 Which is just, thank God, just listening to a guy go out there and know how to raise the right points in response to the right questions, to not take the moderator's bullshit, it was really cleansing.

00:01:10.880 It was just, you never see it. It's just so great to see. The moderators are gross.

00:01:19.260 Margaret Brennan, not only do you desperately need some bronzer, you need to understand how to moderate a fair debate when you have half the country who's rooting for the other guy.

00:01:34.060 She didn't even attempt to be fair. I mean, I'm going to utter words I never thought I would utter. I preferred Nora O'Donnell.

00:01:41.140 Oh my God. She used to have a reputation as being kind of like reasonable. Like she flirted with the Catholic right, the Christian right.

00:01:50.860 And when you get on issues of faith, she could be kind of like normal. No, no. She's been in the soup too long.

00:01:58.340 She's gone totally native over there at CBS News. You are terrible, madam. Terrible.

00:02:04.060 Uh, the moderators were disgusting, but J.D. Vance was a vision and Tim Walls really did indeed look like the bumbling knucklehead he said he was.

00:02:17.680 There's so much to go over. We have a full lineup of guests for you tonight. We've got in-depth analysis on what we just witnessed and what it will mean, uh, with just a little over a month before election day.

00:02:27.100 We're also, uh, monitoring the media reaction, which we'll bring to you. It's always fun to highlight, but first, um, well, you heard my initial thoughts. Let me get to my guests.

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00:03:51.860 Rich, do you feel me? Are you feeling you picking up what I'm putting down?

00:03:56.140 Totally. I don't know how he possibly could have improved on that performance.

00:04:01.220 Submitatively, tonally, just everything in terms of the message he was driving home.

00:04:06.720 He brought it back to the economy and the American dream and how we need to revive it.

00:04:11.420 He constantly made the point that Kamala Harris is in power now.

00:04:14.980 And why hasn't she done all these wonderful things that she's promising?

00:04:19.280 The only thing that was difficult for him, I think, was the January 6th thing right at the end.

00:04:22.820 That's not his fault. You know, Donald Trump has created that vulnerability, but he deflected really deftly there as well by getting it onto the censorship.

00:04:29.840 So I'm not sure when I've seen a better debate. Maybe, I don't know, I have no use for him, obviously, because my politics are opposite, but maybe Barack Obama at his height in 2008.

00:04:38.640 But this was just an extraordinary performance, a stellar performance.

00:04:42.060 I'm not surprised that he was great because we've kind of seen it out on the campaign trail and in various interviews with hostile interviewers.

00:04:47.640 But I was a little surprised at how pathetic Tim Waltz was.

00:04:51.860 Came out of the gate, nervous, you know, hemming and hawing.

00:04:56.280 And then just the way he looked when he wasn't speaking on camera, he looked nervous.

00:05:01.340 He looked sad. He looked befuddled.

00:05:03.820 He kind of looked like the kid in the back of the classroom that can't keep up with the lecture and is desperately trying to take notes.

00:05:10.700 It was just a terrible, terrible look.

00:05:12.540 I'm sure Eliana cannot relate to that kid.

00:05:18.560 She was the front kid in the front of the class every time.

00:05:22.420 This is the classic.

00:05:23.760 This J.D. Vance look will go down.

00:05:25.680 This will be on people's Christmas stockings.

00:05:28.520 Here's one thing I wanted to add.

00:05:30.700 You know what was so masterful about what J.D. did tonight?

00:05:35.080 He's been demonized by this press since he was named as the running mate.

00:05:40.260 And he completely shattered that tonight.

00:05:43.500 He was kind.

00:05:45.720 He was likable.

00:05:46.780 He complimented his beautiful wife.

00:05:49.340 He brought up his kids.

00:05:51.020 He kept giving Tim Waltz points.

00:05:53.360 Like, you know, I kind of agree with that.

00:05:55.080 He said the thing about how if I don't win and he becomes the vice president, I will help him.

00:06:01.460 He did such an effective job throughout the whole 90 minutes of showing America,

00:06:07.620 I'm actually a nice guy.

00:06:10.300 And those women, those female Republican voters who left the party who are now going to vote for Kamala Harris,

00:06:16.040 well, if he was the problem, you know, the child is cat ladies, which did not come up.

00:06:21.680 I have to imagine they're looking at him just a little softer tonight, Eliana.

00:06:25.820 But your thoughts on what we saw tonight?

00:06:27.120 I thought it was an extremely impressive performance on Vance's part.

00:06:33.480 And I have to imagine that Rich and many other conservatives like me were thinking the same thing,

00:06:41.460 which is watching J.D. Vance.

00:06:43.800 It was clear that he prepared a lot, not only in terms of the substance of his responses,

00:06:49.420 but also in terms of the style.

00:06:51.900 He knows how to be combative, but he wasn't that combative tonight.

00:06:57.360 He came across as very, very likable.

00:07:00.320 And I kept thinking this is the job everybody wishes Trump had done.

00:07:04.780 Yes.

00:07:05.320 Because in terms of the discipline of his responses,

00:07:08.300 he brought every response back to, well, you know who's been in office for the past three and a half years?

00:07:14.340 Kamala Harris.

00:07:15.160 It started with the first response to the question that was on Israel and Iran and talking about a world in flames

00:07:24.760 and the chaos that has engulfed the world over the past three years.

00:07:28.660 And he brought that back to the doorstep of Kamala Harris.

00:07:33.040 But for as good as Vance was, Walls was extremely weak.

00:07:38.940 And people were talking about, you know, the Harris campaign was deliberately lowering the bar for Walls.

00:07:44.780 CNN ran a story saying Tim Walls is really, really nervous.

00:07:49.380 And there were questions about whether this is a strategy so that he can go out there and overperform.

00:07:54.620 Well, they didn't actually lower the bar enough because he was extremely bad.

00:08:01.400 And, you know, Vance, people are commenting on Twitter that he's really benefited from doing so many media interviews

00:08:10.660 and from having so many combative exchanges with the press.

00:08:13.500 Well, he was better than all of the than any interview he's done since walking on that stage in Milwaukee.

00:08:20.260 And for Walls, there are a lot of people out there saying he should have done more interviews.

00:08:26.540 Maybe.

00:08:27.260 But on the other hand, watching him tonight, you start to think you start to understand why the campaign doesn't actually want him out there.

00:08:34.580 Yeah, that's right.

00:08:35.480 When he's when he's in front of a friendly interviewer, like when he used to go on MSNBC before he got chosen.

00:08:42.220 Sure.

00:08:42.440 That could be a friendly, fun exchange in which you do well.

00:08:45.180 This is a totally different ballgame.

00:08:46.860 And it is interesting now that that CNN article yesterday setting the expectations low now seems like a clarion call.

00:08:53.580 Like, how?

00:08:54.620 That's the one thing they told the truth about the whole campaign.

00:08:58.860 Oh, also, Walls' biggest lie the whole night came at the end when he said, I really enjoyed this debate, J.D.

00:09:05.700 OK, so I think all three of us felt, I'm guessing, that that the one moment where he went after the moderator for his time, he he was fact checked by the non fact checkers who were fact checkers, but only again of J.D. Vance.

00:09:23.600 They let Tim Walls get away with lie after lie and like Jesus came down and told him this is what Republican voters want to see.

00:09:33.480 He wasn't having it.

00:09:35.700 He insisted on having his time.

00:09:38.620 I'm forgive me, but those bitches tried to cut his mic.

00:09:41.820 It was just it was unbelievable.

00:09:44.940 Here's the exchange in SOT 1.

00:09:46.500 Now, Governor Walz brought up the community of Springfield, and he's very worried about the things that I've said in Springfield.

00:09:55.100 Look, in Springfield, Ohio, and in communities all across this country, you've got schools that are overwhelmed.

00:10:01.500 You've got hospitals that are overwhelmed.

00:10:03.460 You have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes.

00:10:11.020 And just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio, does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status, temporary protected status.

00:10:21.080 Well, Margaret, but thank you.

00:10:22.760 Senator, we have so much to get to.

00:10:24.440 Margaret, I think it's important because the rules were that you guys were going to fact check.

00:10:30.320 And since you're fact checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on.

00:10:34.180 So there's an application called the CBP One App, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand.

00:10:48.880 That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card and waiting for 10 years.

00:10:52.860 That is the facilitation of a legal immigration, Margaret, by our own leadership.

00:10:56.380 Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.

00:10:59.480 We have so much to get to, Senator.

00:11:01.800 That's right. Those laws have been on the books since 1990.

00:11:04.760 Thank you, gentlemen.

00:11:05.880 The CBP One App has not been on the books since 1990.

00:11:09.700 It's something that Congress has created for.

00:11:11.940 Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut.

00:11:15.760 We have so much we want to get to.

00:11:17.600 Thank you for explaining the legal process.

00:11:20.280 Nora.

00:11:20.680 Thank you, Margaret.

00:11:22.360 I am dripping contempt, dripping contempt out of my pores for CBS News.

00:11:29.500 That was such a dereliction on so many levels.

00:11:34.280 Hello, you morons.

00:11:36.200 A debate is unfolding.

00:11:37.980 Alert.

00:11:38.780 Note to anchor and CBS producers.

00:11:41.700 The debate is happening right here.

00:11:44.100 You let it fire up.

00:11:46.240 Let them go.

00:11:47.140 Eliana, we talked about this a million times before we prepared for our debate back in December.

00:11:51.340 When you have fire on the stage, let it play out.

00:11:54.220 This is a real issue.

00:11:55.820 This is a huge issue.

00:11:57.440 And it's voters number one or number two issue in virtually every poll.

00:12:01.000 You didn't have a lot more to get to.

00:12:03.180 There was a lot of inanity in that debate, including your next question, which was about

00:12:06.560 climate change.

00:12:08.340 And good for J.D. Vance for fighting on it.

00:12:11.280 When Trump was fact-checked multiple times, and Harris was not fact-checked at all, I think

00:12:17.120 it was on your show, Megan, when I said he should have been prepared to be unjustly fact-checked.

00:12:23.260 And that's exactly what J.D. was prepared for tonight.

00:12:27.300 And he did a wonderful job with that.

00:12:29.760 I think any Republican candidate should be prepared when they walk on a stage on a mainstream

00:12:36.140 media network to be treated unfairly and to hit PAC exactly as Vance did, because viewers

00:12:43.200 like it.

00:12:44.240 And I think both independent and persuadable voters like to see it, as well as the base.

00:12:49.520 And, Rich, for Tim Walsh to try to say that the CB1 app has been in place since 1990, you

00:12:59.240 know, this is nothing new that Kamala Harris and Joe Biden did, is such a lie.

00:13:03.320 That's what Vance was about to say.

00:13:05.760 Like, this has been one of the most controversial things you've done while in office.

00:13:10.320 She's done while in office.

00:13:11.640 And they cut his mic and moved on to climate change.

00:13:17.980 It's just, it's just so, it's so shocking.

00:13:20.760 And you said, you know, let the fireworks play out during debate.

00:13:23.140 But the fireworks are between Margaret Brennan, who created this misleading impression of what's

00:13:28.620 happening.

00:13:29.600 Yes, these migrants are legal.

00:13:31.740 But as J.D. Vance was pointing out, they're only legal because this whole new dispensation

00:13:36.340 and system has been created to launder them into the country when they wouldn't have been

00:13:41.500 otherwise.

00:13:42.480 That's an extremely relevant piece of information.

00:13:44.880 She's being misleading and he's being accurate.

00:13:47.500 And they cut his mic.

00:13:48.920 It's totally outrageous.

00:13:50.380 I made a rude gesture to the screen as I was watching.

00:13:53.500 I didn't tweet the rude thought the way you did, Megan, but you're totally justified in

00:13:58.320 doing this.

00:13:58.880 It's such a dereliction of professionalism on every single level.

00:14:02.820 And just to Eliana's point, it all goes back to J.D.'s performance tonight, all goes back

00:14:07.900 to being so well informed.

00:14:10.520 He knew it better than she did.

00:14:11.920 He knows it better than Tim Walz does, obviously.

00:14:15.460 And that was the key to his entire performance.

00:14:20.260 Trump, too.

00:14:20.980 I want to correct myself.

00:14:21.920 They didn't move on to climate change there.

00:14:23.460 That was earlier in the debate where something was starting to unfold.

00:14:26.580 And once again, they cut them off because they really desperately needed to get on to

00:14:30.360 climate change.

00:14:31.640 Every single debate.

00:14:33.000 We've had climate change.

00:14:33.980 We've had January 6th, not one question, not one on Tim Walz's radical trans refuge policies

00:14:42.980 in his state, seizing custody from loving parents who won't affirm their child's gender

00:14:48.260 confusion so they can have body parts chopped off.

00:14:50.460 Not one.

00:14:51.780 Not a question about his military lies, his stolen valor, nothing.

00:14:56.740 But back to J6, back to climate change, a lot on health care.

00:15:01.380 We've had a lot already on health care.

00:15:03.820 None of these social issues matter to these moderators because in their elite circles,

00:15:08.460 they don't have to deal with this.

00:15:09.560 They're not going to actually have to worry about any of this.

00:15:12.040 And they're just not interested because they think it, you know, no one cares.

00:15:15.320 It's just not, it doesn't affect anybody and no one cares.

00:15:18.480 Okay.

00:15:19.300 It's infuriating.

00:15:20.660 So, Rich, what did you think was the best moment of the debate?

00:15:24.920 You know, separate and apart, it could have been something for Tim Walz.

00:15:28.280 It could have been something for J.D. Vance.

00:15:29.600 But what was the moment that stands out to you, I would say, after the obvious one that

00:15:33.540 I just played where they, CBS, cut those mics?

00:15:37.240 Well, J.D. was so masterful on the border.

00:15:41.120 That was pretty early on.

00:15:42.540 It was just clear he had complete command of the facts and of this stage.

00:15:47.700 And Walt's worst moment when he was asked about the story that Eliana and the Free Beacon

00:15:51.740 broke about how he wasn't in China during the Tiananmen Square massacre.

00:15:56.380 And he just, I don't know, obviously they prepared that answer at some level, but he nearly had

00:16:03.400 a meltdown towards the end of it.

00:16:05.820 And I don't think really, he began to look, at first he looked nervous when he wasn't speaking.

00:16:09.960 After that, there was a period where he just looked sad.

00:16:12.720 And I think one really interesting dynamic that I wouldn't have guessed at, there was a

00:16:16.740 lot of agreement.

00:16:18.320 And, you know, you make a good point.

00:16:19.700 You know, Tim, you make a good point, J.D.

00:16:21.780 But it played differently.

00:16:23.560 With J.D., since he was winning, this played as him being magnanimous.

00:16:29.060 It was an element of his kind of control of the circumstances.

00:16:32.120 Whereas Tim Waltz had felt weak, like, please leave me alone and let's just be friends.

00:16:37.080 And I thought, predicted prior to the debate, Waltz would be, the media would say he's a

00:16:41.740 winner no matter what.

00:16:42.640 I don't think that's going to happen now.

00:16:43.700 I think it may have flipped the other way.

00:16:44.940 And they may be angry at him for being so nice to this guy that they've tried to make

00:16:49.820 a villain.

00:16:50.080 We're seeing some of that.

00:16:51.180 We're already seeing some of that online.

00:16:52.480 They're angry at him.

00:16:53.860 In fact, maybe I'll see this.

00:16:55.260 This is David Frum, I think, tweeted out something to that effect.

00:16:58.040 Stand by.

00:16:58.540 I saw it just as I was coming onto the air.

00:17:01.260 Blah, blah, blah.

00:17:02.280 OK, let's see.

00:17:04.360 Vance is going home tonight with Waltz's wallet.

00:17:07.120 Vance didn't even have to snatch it.

00:17:08.800 Waltz just handed it over, along with a bunch of unearned compliments to Vance's fine character.

00:17:14.940 He's angry that J.D. came off looking like a nice guy and Tim Walls let him.

00:17:20.780 We've got to play that moment of Tim Walls on the lie that he was in Tiananmen Square.

00:17:30.320 He said that he was in Tiananmen Square, that he was in Hong Kong, which obviously is not

00:17:35.720 Beijing, but that he was in Hong Kong when Tiananmen Square happened.

00:17:38.540 And it was a lie.

00:17:40.140 And he's gotten caught on it.

00:17:41.580 It just came out today.

00:17:42.400 And so you had to know this was going to come up.

00:17:46.200 I mean, maybe they're just so used to being babied by the leftist media that they didn't

00:17:50.860 think it would come up.

00:17:51.900 But here's what Rich was referring to.

00:17:53.880 Governor Walls, you said you were in Hong Kong during the deadly Tiananmen Square protests

00:18:00.340 in the spring of 1989.

00:18:02.800 But Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets are reporting that you actually didn't

00:18:07.500 travel to Asia until August of that year.

00:18:10.460 Can you explain that discrepancy?

00:18:13.920 Yeah.

00:18:14.340 Well, and to the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this, look, I grew up in

00:18:18.140 small rural Nebraska, a town of 400, a town that you rode your bike with your buddies till

00:18:23.620 the streetlights come on.

00:18:24.580 And I'm proud of that service.

00:18:26.140 I joined the National Guard at 17, worked on family farms.

00:18:29.480 And then I used the GI Bill to become a teacher, passionate about it, a young teacher.

00:18:34.260 My first year out, I got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to China.

00:18:39.580 35 years ago, be able to do that.

00:18:41.720 I came back home and then started a program to take young people there.

00:18:46.640 We would take basketball teams.

00:18:48.020 We would take baseball teams.

00:18:49.480 We would take dancers.

00:18:50.640 And we would go back and forth to China.

00:18:52.560 The issue for that was to try and learn.

00:18:54.760 Now, look, my community knows who I am.

00:18:57.320 They saw where I was at.

00:18:58.800 They, look, I will be the first to tell you, I have poured my heart into my community.

00:19:03.000 I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect.

00:19:06.460 And I'm a knucklehead at times, but it's always been about that.

00:19:09.500 Those same people elected me to Congress for 12 years.

00:19:13.500 And in Congress, I was one of the most bipartisan people.

00:19:17.940 Oh, gosh, wait, because there's more.

00:19:20.620 Then it went on.

00:19:22.240 There was a follow up because he didn't answer the question, right?

00:19:25.720 I'm a knucklehead.

00:19:26.800 You lied.

00:19:27.740 At the last debate, it was, I have bad grammar.

00:19:30.580 The last interview, right?

00:19:32.240 I have bad grammar.

00:19:33.340 He told Dan Abash to excuse some of his lies.

00:19:35.900 Now it's, I'm a knucklehead.

00:19:37.780 What does that mean?

00:19:38.440 You lied.

00:19:39.400 Here's the follow up.

00:19:41.520 Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the discrepancy?

00:19:47.520 All I said on this was, is I got there that summer and misspoke on this.

00:19:51.200 So I will just, that's what I've said.

00:19:53.500 So I was in Hong Kong and China during the democracy protests went in.

00:20:01.200 And from that, I learned a lot of what needed to be in, in governance.

00:20:06.080 What?

00:20:07.000 Thank you, governor.

00:20:07.920 It looks like a Saturday Night Live skit.

00:20:19.080 Sounds like a Saturday Night Live skit.

00:20:21.240 I was, I really actually was astonished by that because look, Minnesota Public Radio had this

00:20:28.100 little anecdote buried in a story yesterday.

00:20:30.560 The beacon went and pulled the tape and the photographs out.

00:20:35.460 CNN pulled more anecdotes of Walls talking about how he remembered Voice of America not

00:20:44.020 broadcasting and this and that, his elaborate tall tales that he'd, and the New York Times

00:20:48.980 did a story today.

00:20:50.160 So he had to know that this was going to be asked about, given that CNN and the New York

00:20:55.220 Times were reporting about this today.

00:20:56.560 Is that the answer they prepared?

00:21:00.100 Is it?

00:21:01.760 Um, cause he could have just said, you know, I said, I arrived in June.

00:21:07.180 I actually arrived in August.

00:21:09.360 I misspoke and I apologize for that.

00:21:13.260 Instead, we got it because it honestly, it continues his stolen valor theme.

00:21:20.040 Like he elevates everything to make him sound himself sound a little bit better than he actually

00:21:26.520 is.

00:21:26.960 Like I, the weapons that I carried in war and he's never fought in war.

00:21:32.040 Like I'm a retired command Sergeant major and he's not like I served in Operation Enduring

00:21:38.540 Freedom, which he didn't.

00:21:40.280 He never went to Afghanistan.

00:21:41.840 Like we didn't just do intrauterine injections when we tried to get pregnant.

00:21:46.900 We did the full IVF.

00:21:49.220 So I've got standing to speak on IVF, which they didn't over and over and over again.

00:21:55.180 Like the chamber of commerce gave me a special commendation, which they didn't over and over.

00:22:01.860 He lies to make himself sound a little bit better, a little bit more relevant, a little

00:22:07.100 bit more important than he actually is.

00:22:09.580 And he keeps getting caught.

00:22:11.760 And what we saw tonight here, Rich, was him disassembling because he didn't expect this

00:22:18.800 question to come up.

00:22:19.700 And to be honest, I didn't expect them to raise this either.

00:22:23.000 I didn't think CBS would do it.

00:22:24.220 Yeah.

00:22:24.640 Well, as Eliana lays it out, this is a case where some other media outlets have been doing

00:22:29.960 their job as well, which is good to see.

00:22:32.340 And the question was asked.

00:22:33.440 And it was kind of, in a way, it was an arrogant question or certainly a question to try to

00:22:38.500 evade because the obvious answer is what Eliana laid out.

00:22:42.520 You just say, I messed it up.

00:22:43.940 I flubbed, you know, June is warm.

00:22:45.480 So is August.

00:22:46.440 I messed them up.

00:22:48.180 And, you know, your memory plays tricks on you.

00:22:50.660 And I'm very sorry.

00:22:51.820 That's all he had to do.

00:22:53.300 I mean, if I may say, though, that's like being like, I was in lower Manhattan on 9-11.

00:23:00.540 Oh, wait, I was actually there on 9-13.

00:23:03.140 That is a very different experience.

00:23:05.060 Like, the reason he was caught is because it wasn't an innocent mistake.

00:23:09.580 You know, if you are in Beijing on the day of the Tiananmen Square massacre,

00:23:14.940 where hundreds were killed and shot.

00:23:17.000 Like, you know, you know, if you were there, you know, oh, I was confused.

00:23:20.540 You came after.

00:23:22.280 Like, that's why he couldn't do it, Rich.

00:23:24.320 I see your point on strategy.

00:23:26.620 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:26.960 But he's a liar.

00:23:27.960 I'm not saying the answer would be honest.

00:23:30.760 But there's good cleanup and there's bad cleanup.

00:23:33.600 Like, we'd know if he handled it well or if he handled it poorly.

00:23:37.520 It would still be, like, all of his lies are these, you know,

00:23:41.720 they're puffery that all accrues to his political benefit

00:23:45.680 and places him at the center of events

00:23:48.040 and allows him to better connect with people on political issues.

00:23:52.460 But there's better and worse ways to try to clean up your doo-doo.

00:23:57.220 And that was definitely a worse way.

00:23:59.860 And also, if you're going to give a shameless answer,

00:24:02.900 if you're going to give a shameless answer, you have to be shameless about it.

00:24:05.660 You can't feel guilty about it.

00:24:06.960 And at that end, when he was stumbling around,

00:24:08.820 it's clearly because he didn't feel confident in what he was saying

00:24:11.160 because he himself knew it was BS.

00:24:13.220 I know.

00:24:13.660 Honestly, like, if anything, maybe you pull a new Gingrich.

00:24:17.100 You know, like, I can't believe you would raise such a petty issue

00:24:20.120 in a presidential debate.

00:24:20.960 Yeah, how dare you?

00:24:21.080 There are people suffering out there.

00:24:22.780 You haven't raised what happened in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene.

00:24:26.420 This was 40 years ago.

00:24:28.340 And you want to re-litigate a difference between June and August, 40 years?

00:24:31.120 This is ridiculous.

00:24:32.600 Like, do that.

00:24:33.780 Do something other than,

00:24:34.960 holy shit, a hard question.

00:24:38.180 I was told there'd be none of those.

00:24:40.300 What did you think overall of the moderators?

00:24:44.160 Because my biggest pet peeve with them

00:24:46.380 was how they kept stealing the last word

00:24:49.320 and how their little follow-ups,

00:24:52.140 their little follow-ups to J.D. Vance,

00:24:55.260 which were very pointed,

00:24:57.620 or the even more annoying ones were to Tim Walls.

00:25:01.780 Like, will you comment specifically on the following two things

00:25:06.560 that J.D. Vance just said,

00:25:08.100 which I'm telling you right now are fake Tim Walls.

00:25:10.580 They're fake.

00:25:11.320 Please fact-check him.

00:25:14.240 Yeah, I could hear it in the tone of their voice.

00:25:16.660 And they're just playing by Sunday show rules.

00:25:19.080 And now a Sunday show, the way it works,

00:25:21.600 a Republican is on.

00:25:22.540 They usually have an elected Republican

00:25:24.040 and elected Democrat on separately.

00:25:25.940 The elected Republican comes on,

00:25:27.800 and every other answer is fact-checked.

00:25:30.400 And the host gives his or her opinion to counter it.

00:25:34.940 And it never happens with a Democrat.

00:25:36.580 And it's exactly what they did in this debate.

00:25:39.020 It wasn't as blatant as ABC,

00:25:41.180 but they did at least two fact-checks

00:25:42.620 when they said they wouldn't.

00:25:44.120 And the questions to J.D. had a kind of skeptical tone.

00:25:47.440 And the questions, at least some of them,

00:25:49.820 to Walls were,

00:25:51.080 please, can you correct this guy?

00:25:53.920 He's so crazy, J.D. Vance.

00:25:55.720 You know, we need you to help us out here.

00:25:57.480 Do us an assist.

00:25:58.400 Give us an assist,

00:25:59.220 because we can't do it ourselves directly.

00:26:01.080 So it's just, it's so, so bad.

00:26:03.900 And as you say, you know, Margaret Brennan,

00:26:05.420 all these people, they marinate in the same world.

00:26:08.080 They socialize with these Democratic operatives.

00:26:11.460 You know, they kind of share the worldview.

00:26:14.160 And it just shows.

00:26:15.520 And they just can't help themselves.

00:26:17.180 Even when they went out of their way to say beforehand,

00:26:19.120 we're not going to do it,

00:26:20.440 they still did it.

00:26:22.420 They, I think the kids call it flexing.

00:26:24.280 They felt the need to flex out there.

00:26:26.600 Like, I am team Democrat,

00:26:28.060 and I see I'm dealing with a disgusting liar.

00:26:30.160 I'm just going to telegraph it.

00:26:31.380 We put a little very short-sought montage.

00:26:33.360 It could have gone on, Eliana.

00:26:34.380 Here's a couple of examples.

00:26:37.020 President Trump has called climate change a hoax.

00:26:39.700 Do you agree?

00:26:40.240 The overwhelming consensus among scientists

00:26:42.120 is that the Earth's climate is warming

00:26:43.820 at an unprecedented rate.

00:26:45.440 Margaret, I do want to let you respond

00:26:47.120 to the allegation that the vice president

00:26:49.180 is letting in migrants.

00:26:51.760 Of course, that's not true.

00:26:52.760 Governor, do you care to respond

00:26:55.360 to any of those specific allegations,

00:26:57.280 including that the vice president

00:26:58.980 is, quote, letting in fentanyl

00:27:01.420 and using kids as drug mules,

00:27:04.520 among other things, regarding children?

00:27:06.960 I'd like for you to clarify,

00:27:08.780 there are many contributing factors

00:27:10.520 to high housing costs.

00:27:12.340 What evidence do you have

00:27:13.480 that migrants are part of this problem?

00:27:18.820 I mean, it was just so one-sided, Eliana.

00:27:21.000 I love the, here's your multiple-choice answer.

00:27:25.360 of the things that were incorrect

00:27:27.360 in his, in J.D. Vance's response.

00:27:30.980 Yeah, and Wall's still lost.

00:27:34.200 And one of the things that happened

00:27:36.980 right off the top was their question on,

00:27:39.820 would you support a preemptive Israeli strike on Iran?

00:27:43.740 Guys, Iran just rained down 200 missiles

00:27:49.520 on Israel today, and Iran's proxy

00:27:52.560 attacked Israel on October 7th.

00:27:55.700 Iran's other proxy, Hezbollah,

00:27:57.780 has been attacking Israel since October 8th.

00:28:00.120 What are you talking about?

00:28:02.280 Yeah, it's also that-

00:28:03.520 It was the first question of the debate.

00:28:05.800 It was crazy.

00:28:06.520 It was also when Margaret Brennan

00:28:08.340 asked that question about migrants and housing,

00:28:10.520 with their voice dripping with contempt.

00:28:13.620 It was so great, because J.D. said,

00:28:14.880 yeah, there's this Federal Reserve study.

00:28:16.480 You know, we'll post it on social media.

00:28:18.460 And I'm sure she had no idea

00:28:19.580 there was a Federal Reserve study.

00:28:20.960 She just considered the idea in and of itself

00:28:23.720 just absurd, right, and preposterous

00:28:25.660 as something he'd made up.

00:28:27.080 But of course, you know,

00:28:28.060 one of the basic economic laws

00:28:29.640 is supply and demand.

00:28:30.760 So if you create more people

00:28:32.260 that, yeah, have more demand for housing

00:28:34.820 and the supply's still limited,

00:28:36.240 prices will go up.

00:28:37.080 And ask the people in Springfield.

00:28:39.460 I mean, that's one of the things

00:28:40.600 they've been complaining about.

00:28:41.880 But that was the other thing.

00:28:42.900 So she mentions Hurricane Helene

00:28:44.900 and the damage and the devastation

00:28:47.160 that's happening now in the Southeast.

00:28:48.860 And I'm like, okay, this is good.

00:28:50.420 CBS is gonna go there.

00:28:51.440 This is not a story that makes

00:28:52.920 Biden and Harris look good.

00:28:54.160 They have not been doing well on their response.

00:28:56.620 She was out in L.A. having beef Wellington

00:28:58.760 and some sort of special blueberry corn cobbler.

00:29:02.200 I don't know what it was.

00:29:03.420 And with a bunch of celebrities partying

00:29:05.400 while these people were dying on the roofs.

00:29:07.480 And Joe Biden was at the beach in Delaware.

00:29:10.100 Okay, so they're raising it.

00:29:11.240 Great, let's have a tough question

00:29:13.100 for him on the response.

00:29:14.100 No, they turned it mid-question to climate change.

00:29:18.480 Climate change makes these natural disasters much worse.

00:29:23.120 Isn't climate change real and a devastating problem?

00:29:26.140 Donald Trump, the follow-up there,

00:29:27.540 we played it at the top of that salt montage.

00:29:29.240 Donald Trump said it was a hoax,

00:29:30.620 which he did say back in 16,

00:29:32.340 and then he corrected himself in 18

00:29:34.560 and made clear what he meant.

00:29:35.560 But in any event, that's the problem we face, Eliana, right?

00:29:39.460 Like they try to like sneakily get in news of the day,

00:29:41.920 big news of the day.

00:29:42.680 But when the landing, the proper landing,

00:29:44.880 would have hurt Team Blue,

00:29:46.900 they pivoted to one of their favorite little pet causes.

00:29:49.720 It's amazing because the hurricane is actually somewhat of a problem for Harris right now

00:29:58.340 and that she's sort of scrambling.

00:30:00.040 She had no public events today, which is astonishing.

00:30:03.120 And she's sort of scrambling to demonstrate that she's in control of FEMA.

00:30:07.680 And if you look at the issues that voters care about,

00:30:12.380 climate change is extremely low on that list.

00:30:16.680 And so to think that it would be the second question in one of three major national debates

00:30:23.680 is kind of amazing.

00:30:26.720 And I remember talking to you about this, Megan,

00:30:29.320 when it was like in the first or second Fox News Republican primary debate,

00:30:34.940 when they asked about it, we were talking about,

00:30:37.240 you know, particularly among Republican voters,

00:30:39.980 why would you raise this question?

00:30:42.020 It is amazing given how many questions didn't get asked.

00:30:45.460 There was no question on China in this debate.

00:30:47.500 There was no question on Ukraine in this debate.

00:30:49.780 Um, and there were serious issues that didn't get asked about in this debate that voters care

00:30:57.120 far more about, uh, than climate change.

00:30:59.900 And the hurricane's one of them right now.

00:31:03.000 That's right.

00:31:04.060 Um, it really was amazing in the, in the absence of any, like the way she kept saying to Walls,

00:31:10.960 would you like to respond specifically to the claim that she is letting in fentanyl?

00:31:16.560 Then another one, would you like to respond specifically to the claim that Kamala Harris

00:31:21.220 is letting in illegal migrants?

00:31:25.020 And the thing about drug mules, she didn't look at JD and say,

00:31:28.720 would you like to respond specifically to his claim that they are,

00:31:33.240 that he did not sign a law allowing abortion into the ninth month?

00:31:38.040 Would you JD Vance like to respond specifically to his denial that he signed a law removing

00:31:44.740 life-saving care from babies born on the table after botched abortions?

00:31:50.280 That was actually a good exchange.

00:31:51.660 Guys, do we have that one?

00:31:53.100 Um, where they, we do.

00:31:54.160 Um, okay, let's watch that.

00:31:55.220 Cause that was actually a very good exchange for Vance where he just, he was like,

00:31:59.200 you did, you did sign that law and Walt's denied it.

00:32:03.920 And JD was like, what part of what I'm saying is wrong?

00:32:07.380 And, and Tim Walls fell back on that was fact-checked at the ABC debate.

00:32:14.620 The last debate.

00:32:15.220 One of the most controversial fact-checks of all time.

00:32:17.640 Watch, here it is, 13.

00:32:20.840 You're, you're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me.

00:32:23.940 But as I read the Minnesota law that you signed into, into, into, into law,

00:32:28.080 the statute that you signed into law,

00:32:29.380 it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives,

00:32:34.440 the doctor is under no obligation to provide life-saving care

00:32:37.440 to a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion.

00:32:40.880 That is, I think, whether you're pro-choice or pro-abortion,

00:32:44.420 that is fundamentally barbaric.

00:32:46.720 These are women's decisions to make about their healthcare decisions

00:32:49.720 and the physicians who know best when they need to do this.

00:32:53.260 Trying to distort the way a law is written to try and make a point,

00:32:56.580 that's not it at all.

00:32:57.340 What was I wrong about, Governor?

00:32:58.280 Please tell me, what was I wrong about?

00:32:59.720 That is not the way the law is written.

00:33:01.100 Look, I've given this advice on a lot of things,

00:33:04.720 that getting involved, getting engaged, that's been misread,

00:33:06.820 and it was fact-checked at the last debate.

00:33:08.620 But the point on this is, is there's a continuation of these guys

00:33:11.400 to try and tell women or to get involved.

00:33:15.660 This is what he keeps saying, Rich.

00:33:18.220 We misread the law on Tampon Tim's mandate

00:33:21.880 that tampons go in the boys' bathroom.

00:33:24.460 No, we didn't.

00:33:25.040 We misread the law that babies born to mothers trying to abort them

00:33:31.140 have no right to life-saving care.

00:33:33.680 No, we didn't.

00:33:34.400 We misread the law in which he allowed abortion

00:33:37.060 through the ninth month of pregnancy.

00:33:39.080 No, we didn't.

00:33:40.000 That's what he just keeps...

00:33:40.880 He misspoke on all of his lies.

00:33:43.080 In all of his laws, we're just confused.

00:33:45.700 We misread the law.

00:33:46.480 J.D. Vance is a lawyer who went to Yale Law School.

00:33:49.860 I am a lawyer who practiced law as a litigator for 10 years.

00:33:53.320 We didn't misread the law.

00:33:54.700 It's very basic statutory construction.

00:33:57.680 He's just a liar.

00:34:00.180 Yeah, so he's completely wrong about that.

00:34:03.540 And J.D. challenged him in a way that cornered him,

00:34:07.400 but not in a way that made J.D. seem like a jerk.

00:34:10.280 It was very deftly handled.

00:34:12.480 And the whole abortion exchange, it's no secret that this is an issue

00:34:16.400 where Republicans are on their backheel politically.

00:34:19.360 And J.D. spoke about it in ways I've never heard a national Republican talk about it,

00:34:23.880 where he's, you know, the referendum, how did I change on this song?

00:34:27.040 You know, the referendum went against me in Ohio,

00:34:30.200 and it made me think about it more.

00:34:31.980 Stand by, Rich.

00:34:32.540 Let me play it, and then you take it on the back end.

00:34:34.440 It's not 14.

00:34:35.940 You know, I grew up in a working-class family in a neighborhood

00:34:38.940 where I knew a lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies

00:34:41.820 and decided to terminate those pregnancies

00:34:43.780 because they feel like they didn't have any other options.

00:34:46.900 And, you know, one of them is actually very dear to me.

00:34:49.880 And I know she's watching tonight, and I love you.

00:34:53.140 And she told me something a couple years ago

00:34:55.000 that she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion,

00:34:58.140 that it would have destroyed her life

00:34:59.580 because she was in an abusive relationship.

00:35:01.320 And I think that what I take from that,

00:35:03.700 as a Republican who proudly wants to protect innocent life in this country,

00:35:08.260 who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable,

00:35:10.040 is that my party, we've got to do so much better of a job

00:35:13.540 at earning the American people's trust back on this issue

00:35:17.480 where they frankly just don't trust us.

00:35:19.620 I want us as a Republican party to be pro-family

00:35:22.860 in the fullest sense of the word.

00:35:24.720 I want us to support fertility treatments.

00:35:26.500 I want us to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies.

00:35:29.920 I want it to make it easier for young families to afford a home

00:35:32.860 so they can afford a place to raise that family.

00:35:36.620 Amazing. Keep going.

00:35:37.500 Yeah, really well done.

00:35:40.600 And so much effort has been made by the media and Democrats

00:35:45.360 to portray J.D. Vance as a hateful jerk.

00:35:47.800 That's all he is.

00:35:48.960 And for 90 minutes, he put the lie to it, including with that answer.

00:35:53.600 And look, J.D. played kind of the online right game

00:35:56.760 to win that Senate primary in Ohio,

00:36:00.140 where you kind of put an accent on your obnoxiousness.

00:36:03.240 And so often people who play that game,

00:36:05.060 that's all they can do, and they lose elections.

00:36:07.620 But J.D. always had this other dimension to him

00:36:10.380 that we just saw tonight, where he can elevate his game,

00:36:14.000 he can be in a different mode,

00:36:15.320 he can be in persuasive mode.

00:36:17.360 And it was just very good, again, from beginning to end.

00:36:21.080 It's just hard to imagine how you'd improve on any of it.

00:36:24.200 That is so well said.

00:36:26.040 That was the guy I met back in 17 or 18

00:36:31.740 and who cried when I talked about his sister, Lindsay,

00:36:37.940 who he loves deeply and who loves him.

00:36:40.240 She's five years older than he is.

00:36:42.440 And she can't forgive herself for not protecting him more

00:36:46.160 from the abuse that he suffered at the hands of their mom

00:36:50.200 and some of the men who came through their house,

00:36:54.060 their living situation.

00:36:55.880 And he is an emotional guy in a lovely way,

00:37:00.800 not in a weird way, not in a Tim Wall's way,

00:37:03.400 where he's constantly like,

00:37:04.040 like he connects with that heartstring thing.

00:37:09.980 And I have absolutely every belief

00:37:11.580 that that was genuine Eliana.

00:37:13.040 And I do think, I don't think it was done

00:37:14.820 for the women of middle America,

00:37:16.980 like I'm gonna be likable now.

00:37:18.040 I think it was a genuine outreach,

00:37:20.240 like I get it, trust me, we're working on it.

00:37:23.720 I think a lot of hard work went into that performance

00:37:26.580 in terms of preparation

00:37:28.120 and in terms of shifting into this other gear

00:37:32.300 that Rich has talked about.

00:37:36.120 It's hard to know whether it was genuine

00:37:38.760 or whether it was practiced,

00:37:43.480 but it actually doesn't matter

00:37:45.600 because it didn't come across as false.

00:37:49.940 And I do think that for politicians,

00:37:52.820 you know, J.D., since he was elected to the Senate,

00:37:55.560 and he wasn't a great candidate

00:37:56.800 when he ran for the Senate.

00:37:58.180 He wasn't great in his Senate debates.

00:38:01.600 It is hard for them to shift out

00:38:04.080 of the one gear they've been in.

00:38:05.400 And the one gear J.D.'s been in

00:38:07.040 is combative and feisty.

00:38:09.900 And that wasn't the person we saw tonight.

00:38:12.180 And that is what makes me think

00:38:13.860 that an extraordinary amount of preparation

00:38:16.820 went into sort of practicing

00:38:19.380 getting into this different gear

00:38:21.560 that was sort of more humane, moderate,

00:38:26.520 you know, the person that we saw in that,

00:38:31.240 and relatable,

00:38:32.840 sort of the word that I was searching for.

00:38:34.640 I think he did the Trump-Vance ticket

00:38:38.300 a lot of good.

00:38:39.600 I think what he did tonight

00:38:41.100 was help restore the equilibrium

00:38:43.820 on the narrative about him.

00:38:45.940 It's not completely countermanded,

00:38:48.360 but he helped restore it

00:38:49.940 by having an audience of millions

00:38:51.480 and just letting people see

00:38:53.260 who he really is,

00:38:54.820 whether this will change

00:38:55.860 the trajectory of the race.

00:38:56.920 I don't know.

00:38:57.700 I don't know that Trump needs

00:38:58.740 the trajectory of the race changed,

00:39:00.520 but I think the narrative on J.D. Vance

00:39:02.260 has to change after tonight.

00:39:04.140 And he did a great job

00:39:05.040 of hammering, hammering, hammering

00:39:06.420 on policy and the difference

00:39:08.280 between the two candidates at the top.

00:39:10.060 Like, he did everything

00:39:11.840 he could possibly do.

00:39:12.860 Now what we need is for Donald Trump

00:39:14.440 not to get so irritated

00:39:16.160 by all the praise that J.D. Vance

00:39:17.860 is getting that he did something.

00:39:22.960 Not great.

00:39:24.560 Keep him away from too social.

00:39:27.660 I laughed.

00:39:28.580 But tonight, actually,

00:39:29.620 Trump said very nice things to J.D.

00:39:31.940 before he went out there.

00:39:32.640 He reportedly said to him,

00:39:33.460 just have fun.

00:39:34.400 Have a great time,

00:39:34.980 which is really sweet.

00:39:35.880 That's good.

00:39:36.220 Takes all the pressure off.

00:39:37.280 Guys, thank you both so much.

00:39:39.700 Thank you.

00:39:40.320 Thank you.

00:39:41.480 All right.

00:39:41.820 We're going to be right back

00:39:43.180 with the hosts

00:39:44.560 of the morning meeting.

00:39:46.440 This is Mark Halperin's program.

00:39:48.400 He's coming on.

00:39:49.220 Sean Spicer will be here.

00:39:50.940 And we're going to get into

00:39:52.380 there's a new Democrat

00:39:53.420 that they're bringing with them.

00:39:54.660 What do the Democrats think?

00:39:55.620 What do they think?

00:39:56.160 Because I'll tell you

00:39:57.720 what's happening right now.

00:39:58.480 I'll give you one example.

00:40:00.000 Claire McCaskill,

00:40:00.780 MSNBC contributor,

00:40:01.680 now former senator,

00:40:03.140 tweets out,

00:40:04.180 I actually think most Americans

00:40:05.680 fundamentally understand

00:40:07.140 that the VP is not the president.

00:40:10.240 So Kamala Harris

00:40:11.400 had absolutely no responsibility

00:40:13.340 for any of those mean things

00:40:15.100 that J.D. Vance raised.

00:40:16.780 Oh, and by the way,

00:40:17.560 if you think Tim Walz is a moron,

00:40:19.360 he's only going to be the VP,

00:40:21.200 which is not the president.

00:40:22.640 See, it covers all bases,

00:40:24.000 that tweet.

00:40:24.620 I don't think they're feeling

00:40:25.480 very confident

00:40:26.040 about how that went.

00:40:27.760 Is it consequential?

00:40:28.780 So we'll ask it

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00:41:38.760 The three hosts

00:41:39.760 of The Morning Meeting,

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00:41:45.860 Mark Halperin

00:41:46.360 is editor-in-chief

00:41:47.120 of Two-Way.

00:41:47.760 Sean Spicer

00:41:48.340 is a former

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00:41:52.420 And their usual

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00:41:56.000 for the rest

00:41:56.480 of the election season

00:41:57.300 so they have now

00:41:58.120 added Dan Turrentine,

00:42:00.700 a former

00:42:01.420 Democratic strategist.

00:42:02.960 Guys,

00:42:03.460 welcome,

00:42:04.000 Dan.

00:42:04.320 Good to have you here

00:42:05.160 for the first time as well.

00:42:06.420 Thank you.

00:42:07.200 Good evening.

00:42:07.660 Megan,

00:42:07.880 I just figured out

00:42:08.740 why Tim left.

00:42:09.960 If I,

00:42:10.420 he definitely got a heads up

00:42:11.920 about this debate

00:42:12.800 and he didn't want

00:42:13.960 to be on with you

00:42:14.760 to have to account for it

00:42:16.140 because I was wondering

00:42:17.500 why Tim couldn't handle us

00:42:18.940 and it's not it.

00:42:19.900 He knew that you

00:42:20.700 were going to come

00:42:21.280 on your show

00:42:22.080 and he was like

00:42:22.760 after that performance

00:42:24.780 by Tim Walz,

00:42:25.520 I wouldn't want

00:42:26.120 to have to answer for it.

00:42:28.080 All right.

00:42:28.780 I'm going to start

00:42:29.720 with Dan,

00:42:30.440 our new friend,

00:42:31.100 because he's a Democrat

00:42:32.180 and we,

00:42:33.520 I would love to get

00:42:34.640 your reaction

00:42:35.200 to kick it off

00:42:35.880 to what we just saw.

00:42:37.200 J.D. Vance

00:42:37.960 did absolutely

00:42:38.720 terrific tonight

00:42:40.040 and I say that

00:42:41.120 not to filibuster

00:42:42.160 but because,

00:42:43.460 you know,

00:42:43.720 he was comfortable,

00:42:44.820 he was confident,

00:42:45.600 he was in command

00:42:46.880 and in comparison,

00:42:48.860 I thought Tim Walz

00:42:50.180 looked a little overwhelmed.

00:42:52.280 He looked,

00:42:53.440 frankly,

00:42:53.760 a little small

00:42:54.460 and simple.

00:42:56.440 You know,

00:42:56.720 Democrats always

00:42:57.460 have talked about

00:42:58.180 for the last two years

00:42:59.080 what would happen

00:42:59.780 if they ran against

00:43:00.640 somebody who didn't

00:43:01.480 have Trump's

00:43:02.160 kind of personal baggage,

00:43:04.000 his conduct issues

00:43:05.860 and I think you saw it tonight.

00:43:08.180 You know,

00:43:08.480 J.D. Vance

00:43:09.100 just really prosecuted

00:43:10.140 the case about,

00:43:11.620 you know,

00:43:11.820 why haven't you done it?

00:43:13.280 You talk a great game

00:43:14.740 but again,

00:43:15.380 why haven't you done it?

00:43:16.880 I think the best thing

00:43:18.120 as, you know,

00:43:18.820 you were talking about

00:43:19.360 with your previous guest,

00:43:20.180 I'm not sure

00:43:20.860 ultimately people

00:43:21.620 make their decision

00:43:22.400 based on the vice president.

00:43:24.460 I think where Vance

00:43:25.860 might have fallen

00:43:26.540 a little short

00:43:27.360 is one of the goals

00:43:28.580 of the Trump campaign

00:43:29.360 is to paint Harrison Walls

00:43:31.300 as dangerously liberal

00:43:32.600 and I don't really think

00:43:33.680 they did that.

00:43:34.320 They just focused on

00:43:35.340 you haven't done

00:43:36.400 the things

00:43:37.580 that you're proposing now

00:43:38.840 but that's about it.

00:43:40.180 I think,

00:43:40.500 you know,

00:43:41.660 a charitable thing

00:43:42.820 that one could say

00:43:43.640 about their performance tonight.

00:43:46.040 Fair point.

00:43:46.660 On that last issue,

00:43:47.640 I think they too

00:43:48.920 also that they should

00:43:50.000 have done that

00:43:50.560 and we didn't hear

00:43:51.200 a lot of that tonight

00:43:52.520 and they're doing it

00:43:53.180 more in their ads

00:43:53.820 and so on.

00:43:54.580 Mark,

00:43:54.800 what'd you think?

00:43:57.500 Four quick points.

00:43:58.660 First,

00:43:59.060 I don't think

00:43:59.640 it fundamentally

00:44:00.120 changes the race

00:44:01.220 on the margins.

00:44:02.680 I think

00:44:02.980 Vance becomes

00:44:05.500 a much more valuable

00:44:06.580 surrogate now

00:44:07.460 because I think

00:44:08.560 it's going to be harder

00:44:09.280 for the press

00:44:09.740 to mock him.

00:44:10.700 I think Republicans

00:44:11.380 will be really enthusiastic

00:44:12.560 to greet him

00:44:13.520 on the campaign trail

00:44:14.780 in those Rust Belt states

00:44:15.900 and that helps

00:44:16.840 because,

00:44:17.400 you know,

00:44:17.620 he's the main surrogate

00:44:18.540 and they sort of

00:44:19.920 flipped it right now.

00:44:20.700 He's the policy guy

00:44:22.620 and Trump is the attack dog.

00:44:24.180 Number two,

00:44:25.240 I think

00:44:25.780 it positions Vance

00:44:27.440 to be

00:44:28.180 a very big part

00:44:29.880 of the Republican Party

00:44:30.680 in the future.

00:44:31.120 He demonstrated

00:44:31.740 how to speak MAGA

00:44:33.000 to the suburbs

00:44:33.720 and that's what

00:44:34.620 Donald Trump

00:44:35.400 can do on occasion

00:44:36.520 but Vance

00:44:37.320 did a master class

00:44:38.200 on it tonight.

00:44:39.340 On the Waltz side,

00:44:41.700 I think he's lucky

00:44:42.640 that he was bailed out

00:44:43.760 by the moderators

00:44:44.440 because what was

00:44:45.780 a mismatch

00:44:46.360 would have been

00:44:46.680 a massacre

00:44:47.260 had it been

00:44:48.300 a level playing field.

00:44:49.560 His performance

00:44:50.160 was shaky

00:44:51.280 at best.

00:44:52.180 He had a few good moments

00:44:53.080 but I really do think

00:44:55.340 they dodged a bullet

00:44:56.440 and as you see

00:44:57.220 from tweets

00:44:58.240 from Claire McCaskill

00:44:59.180 you read

00:44:59.580 from David Axelrod,

00:45:00.960 Democrats are clearly

00:45:01.720 trying to play this down.

00:45:03.360 Finally,

00:45:04.140 and it gives me

00:45:04.640 no pleasure to say this,

00:45:05.740 I just don't

00:45:06.340 understand

00:45:06.980 how a news organization

00:45:08.460 that watched

00:45:09.220 the disastrous

00:45:10.320 and surreal performance

00:45:13.040 by ABC

00:45:14.040 could engage

00:45:15.200 in a moderation

00:45:16.380 of a debate

00:45:17.120 that's supposed

00:45:17.540 to be fair

00:45:18.120 to both sides

00:45:19.180 in such an unequal way.

00:45:20.940 It was shocking to me

00:45:22.740 that once again

00:45:23.860 we saw

00:45:24.780 an uneven performance

00:45:27.060 by them

00:45:27.660 just not even close

00:45:28.860 in the subjects

00:45:29.560 that were chosen

00:45:30.240 in who they chose

00:45:31.380 to fact check

00:45:32.100 in who they gave time to

00:45:33.720 and how they framed rebuttals.

00:45:35.060 It's just stunning

00:45:36.160 to me

00:45:36.580 that in this day

00:45:37.720 and age

00:45:38.160 after we've seen

00:45:39.140 what the reputation

00:45:41.160 of the so-called

00:45:41.980 mainstream media

00:45:42.700 is like

00:45:43.140 that CBS

00:45:43.980 could have put together

00:45:45.780 such a performance.

00:45:47.140 Mark,

00:45:47.880 the mic cut moment

00:45:49.120 when J.D. Vance,

00:45:51.380 a debate was unfolding.

00:45:53.080 They were actually

00:45:53.640 starting to go at it.

00:45:54.580 It was interesting

00:45:55.160 and it's on one

00:45:55.780 of the most important issues

00:45:56.660 in the country

00:45:57.420 and those CBS producers

00:46:00.600 cut his mic.

00:46:03.340 It was malpractice.

00:46:05.520 It really was.

00:46:08.240 Yeah.

00:46:08.700 I mean,

00:46:08.880 that's one moment

00:46:09.540 but the whole thing,

00:46:10.380 I mean,

00:46:10.740 just look at the subjects

00:46:11.780 that they chose

00:46:12.680 and as Sean pointed out,

00:46:13.940 what they left out.

00:46:15.200 I mean,

00:46:15.740 I just,

00:46:16.280 I don't understand it

00:46:17.380 on the one hand.

00:46:18.200 On the other hand,

00:46:18.780 as I said

00:46:19.140 after the first debate,

00:46:20.360 if you go to a Chinese restaurant,

00:46:21.820 you can expect

00:46:22.380 to be served Chinese food

00:46:23.600 and the Republicans

00:46:25.060 agreed to do a debate

00:46:26.100 on CBS,

00:46:27.220 they obviously

00:46:28.060 had to expect

00:46:28.640 some of that

00:46:29.360 but I am,

00:46:30.560 as someone who studied

00:46:31.760 liberal media bias

00:46:32.560 my whole career

00:46:33.280 and worked in newsrooms

00:46:34.480 like that,

00:46:35.320 I just can't believe

00:46:37.320 that that's what they think

00:46:38.880 is the way to serve

00:46:39.660 all the American people

00:46:41.080 with the responsibility,

00:46:42.400 the solemn responsibility.

00:46:44.040 They have to be the moderators

00:46:45.380 of a presidential debate.

00:46:46.600 I just,

00:46:47.200 I just,

00:46:48.100 breathless

00:46:48.540 at thinking about

00:46:49.500 what they did.

00:46:50.300 The other piece of it too,

00:46:51.540 Sean,

00:46:51.880 is that

00:46:52.320 I can tell you

00:46:53.380 having moderated these,

00:46:55.080 some warmth

00:46:56.700 would be nice.

00:46:58.300 You don't have to go out there

00:46:59.800 like it's a proctology exam.

00:47:02.640 You know,

00:47:02.900 you can,

00:47:03.320 you can genuinely smile

00:47:05.360 and say,

00:47:06.140 I'm sorry,

00:47:07.600 I know,

00:47:08.400 all right,

00:47:08.780 and you can say,

00:47:09.660 I will let you guys

00:47:10.580 finish this exchange

00:47:11.540 and then,

00:47:12.140 and then after this

00:47:12.860 I have to move on.

00:47:14.020 You don't have to be

00:47:15.340 so stiff

00:47:16.340 and unlikable

00:47:17.420 and look,

00:47:18.320 I don't mean to be personal

00:47:19.700 but Margaret Brennan's makeup

00:47:21.160 looked very severe.

00:47:23.380 She looked very pasty.

00:47:25.580 I meant it

00:47:26.360 when I said

00:47:26.720 she needed a little bit

00:47:27.540 of bronzer.

00:47:28.240 She needed to warm up

00:47:29.240 in a couple of different ways.

00:47:31.060 I don't think

00:47:31.400 they did her any favors

00:47:32.260 because she came across

00:47:33.240 as very cold

00:47:34.500 and unlikable

00:47:36.080 and you're,

00:47:37.840 you're not supposed

00:47:38.460 to lose the debate

00:47:39.580 as the moderator.

00:47:40.860 Anyway,

00:47:41.400 Sean,

00:47:41.640 what were your thoughts?

00:47:44.160 Yeah,

00:47:44.620 first of all,

00:47:45.080 I agree.

00:47:45.440 I mean,

00:47:45.640 I,

00:47:45.980 I wish I could say

00:47:47.620 I was shocked.

00:47:48.020 I do honestly believe though

00:47:49.640 that they felt like

00:47:50.560 they had a mission

00:47:51.180 which is we need

00:47:52.040 to stop Donald Trump

00:47:53.320 and this was our last

00:47:54.920 potential effort

00:47:55.720 so they understood

00:47:56.960 the mission at hand.

00:47:58.000 ABC,

00:47:58.780 they got their mission,

00:48:00.160 they tried to inject themselves

00:48:01.840 and I get Mark's point

00:48:03.160 and I agree with him 100%

00:48:04.380 except I think the media

00:48:05.460 has recognized

00:48:06.200 after 2016

00:48:07.120 that they have

00:48:08.380 a bigger role to play.

00:48:09.580 They believe fundamentally

00:48:10.880 that they have to do

00:48:12.200 everything they can

00:48:13.040 to stop the resurgence

00:48:14.340 of Donald Trump

00:48:15.100 and the return

00:48:15.640 to the White House.

00:48:16.540 I mean,

00:48:16.720 the topics were unbelievable.

00:48:18.160 It literally was like,

00:48:19.060 we don't need to give you

00:48:19.760 the questions.

00:48:20.440 Don't worry,

00:48:20.940 we got you this time.

00:48:22.180 We're going to cover

00:48:22.900 all the key things

00:48:23.740 but to your point,

00:48:24.600 Megan,

00:48:24.760 they let that debate

00:48:25.640 go on at the end.

00:48:26.580 When it came to abortion,

00:48:27.540 it was like,

00:48:27.940 hey,

00:48:28.360 we'll let you guys

00:48:29.000 go at it

00:48:29.480 because we thought

00:48:30.100 we thought that

00:48:30.880 you were going to have

00:48:31.580 have no problem

00:48:32.800 with this on child care.

00:48:33.800 They let the debate

00:48:34.600 go on

00:48:35.320 when they thought

00:48:36.340 it would benefit Walt

00:48:37.440 so they cut JD off

00:48:38.560 when they didn't

00:48:39.220 think it was going

00:48:40.100 to benefit him.

00:48:41.000 The bottom line though

00:48:41.880 is JD did a couple

00:48:43.060 things that were masterful.

00:48:44.300 One,

00:48:44.820 he constantly remind people

00:48:46.360 about the top of the ticket.

00:48:47.520 It wasn't about him,

00:48:48.780 his record.

00:48:49.640 He did inject

00:48:50.260 a little bit about Tim Walz

00:48:51.460 but he made sure

00:48:52.420 that he reminded people

00:48:53.620 they're voting about

00:48:54.660 on a president

00:48:55.320 and he kept going back

00:48:56.620 to Kamala Harris,

00:48:57.640 her record,

00:48:58.240 her time in office

00:48:58.920 and he also went back

00:49:00.140 to the record

00:49:00.740 and results of Donald Trump

00:49:02.140 over and over again

00:49:02.940 and that's where I think

00:49:04.120 this is the fundamental

00:49:05.980 existential question right now.

00:49:07.940 This is Donald Trump.

00:49:08.900 He has a record.

00:49:09.680 He has results.

00:49:10.300 If you like it,

00:49:10.920 you know what you're getting.

00:49:11.640 This is Kamala Harris

00:49:13.120 and the last three

00:49:14.100 and a half years of her,

00:49:15.460 you know,

00:49:15.680 she can't give you

00:49:16.320 any more excuses.

00:49:17.560 JD kept pivoting back

00:49:19.000 to that over and over again.

00:49:20.540 The problem that Walz

00:49:21.580 had fundamentally

00:49:22.500 is Kamala Harris

00:49:23.960 won't tell us

00:49:24.480 where she is on a position.

00:49:26.240 I mean,

00:49:26.880 she hides from the press.

00:49:27.940 She won't tell us

00:49:28.520 why she flip-flops

00:49:29.340 on these issues.

00:49:30.240 So how do you expect

00:49:31.340 Tim Walz,

00:49:32.160 who frankly is handicapped

00:49:33.420 from doing a good job

00:49:34.820 to begin with

00:49:35.400 because he wasn't

00:49:36.020 a good debater,

00:49:37.040 to articulate

00:49:38.260 somebody else's positions

00:49:39.740 that he doesn't know.

00:49:41.340 She doesn't know.

00:49:42.460 And that was fundamentally

00:49:43.400 apparent tonight.

00:49:44.580 He couldn't articulate

00:49:46.240 her position

00:49:47.420 because she doesn't

00:49:48.540 know what it is.

00:49:49.940 Yeah,

00:49:50.240 that is a tough one.

00:49:51.100 I mean,

00:49:51.360 what did you make,

00:49:52.420 Dan,

00:49:52.540 of the moment where

00:49:53.520 I'm going to guess

00:49:55.040 that the debate prep

00:49:56.380 folks around Tim Walz

00:49:57.720 did not tell him

00:49:58.860 the headline

00:49:59.740 out of tonight's debate

00:50:00.760 should be you

00:50:01.740 with the caption under it,

00:50:03.740 I am a knucklehead.

00:50:05.480 That's tough.

00:50:07.640 I don't know.

00:50:08.900 I mean,

00:50:09.400 it was unbelievable.

00:50:11.280 I mean,

00:50:11.500 look,

00:50:11.940 this is something

00:50:12.780 that if the Harris ticket

00:50:14.320 loses is going to be,

00:50:15.460 you know,

00:50:15.920 picked apart now

00:50:16.800 for a long time,

00:50:17.840 which is just like

00:50:19.020 the top of the ticket.

00:50:20.400 Tim Walz was picked

00:50:21.500 partly because he was

00:50:22.660 such an effective

00:50:23.240 communicator this summer

00:50:24.680 making the case

00:50:25.960 against Trump and Vance.

00:50:27.860 But ever since

00:50:28.780 he was selected,

00:50:29.880 like Harris,

00:50:30.780 he has done

00:50:31.240 very few interviews,

00:50:32.600 very few press conferences.

00:50:33.860 And so he looked

00:50:35.540 rusty up there tonight,

00:50:37.080 right?

00:50:37.420 I mean,

00:50:37.940 normally you would

00:50:38.780 explain these things,

00:50:40.120 you know,

00:50:40.600 a month ago,

00:50:41.800 you would have been

00:50:42.520 asked,

00:50:42.960 you know,

00:50:43.200 20 times now,

00:50:44.760 and it would be

00:50:45.440 old news a little bit.

00:50:46.740 And I know this,

00:50:47.620 this latest attack on,

00:50:48.760 on about whether

00:50:50.780 he was in China

00:50:51.940 at the time is new,

00:50:53.200 but all these things

00:50:54.720 have built up.

00:50:55.840 And so going into tonight,

00:50:57.020 everyone wanted to know

00:50:58.040 how is he going to deal

00:50:59.120 with both defending

00:50:59.920 his own record,

00:51:01.120 his own personal history,

00:51:02.760 Harris's history,

00:51:03.860 Harris's record,

00:51:04.900 and the evolution

00:51:05.680 of that record

00:51:06.520 because we haven't

00:51:07.680 heard from him.

00:51:08.760 And that answer,

00:51:10.060 it's not as bad

00:51:11.180 as Dan Quayle

00:51:11.980 against Lloyd Benson.

00:51:13.560 And I said to

00:51:14.340 someone earlier,

00:51:15.180 thank God it took

00:51:15.900 him two minutes

00:51:16.520 to wrap himself

00:51:18.360 in a pretzel

00:51:18.980 because if he did it

00:51:19.860 in 10 seconds,

00:51:20.460 it would be on the

00:51:21.140 internet for the rest

00:51:21.880 of our lives.

00:51:23.100 They'll be slicing

00:51:24.080 and dicing it down

00:51:25.540 to 10 seconds.

00:51:26.540 I'm sure they already

00:51:27.280 have.

00:51:27.900 I just,

00:51:28.420 by the way,

00:51:28.940 can I just,

00:51:29.280 most people

00:51:29.600 don't have

00:51:29.940 that attention span.

00:51:30.920 The Tiananmen Square

00:51:31.820 answer,

00:51:32.340 I think,

00:51:33.000 look,

00:51:33.380 the knucklehead

00:51:34.120 answer was,

00:51:35.360 I'm so glad he said it,

00:51:36.760 but the reality

00:51:37.940 is that you were

00:51:38.880 either there

00:51:39.460 or you're not,

00:51:40.180 right?

00:51:40.400 And we see this

00:51:41.080 continued pattern

00:51:41.800 with him.

00:51:42.260 He lied about IVF,

00:51:43.440 he lied about

00:51:44.100 his record

00:51:44.840 in the military,

00:51:45.520 both in terms

00:51:46.060 of the use

00:51:46.540 of command sergeant

00:51:47.460 major,

00:51:47.820 then the weapons

00:51:48.420 of war.

00:51:49.040 He lied about

00:51:49.700 receiving an award

00:51:51.200 from a Nebraska

00:51:51.880 Chamber of Commerce.

00:51:53.100 The guy has a pattern

00:51:54.140 of lying about it,

00:51:54.860 and then we get asked

00:51:55.500 tonight very simply,

00:51:56.420 were you there

00:51:56.960 or not?

00:51:57.620 It's not like

00:51:58.160 you're like,

00:51:58.440 you know what,

00:51:58.820 I forgot I was

00:51:59.580 in a Target parking lot

00:52:00.800 and he died in Minnesota.

00:52:02.100 You either were

00:52:02.640 in Tiananmen Square

00:52:03.500 or you weren't.

00:52:04.580 And the idea

00:52:05.140 that he couldn't

00:52:05.860 answer that question,

00:52:07.400 I mean,

00:52:07.620 no one says to yourself,

00:52:08.860 you know,

00:52:09.240 you're right,

00:52:10.080 it wasn't Tiananmen Square,

00:52:12.200 it was outside

00:52:13.180 the Dwayne Reed.

00:52:14.720 It doesn't have any cool.

00:52:15.560 I thought it was

00:52:16.820 at Iwo Jima,

00:52:17.660 but it was just

00:52:19.100 a movie about it.

00:52:21.100 And look at how well

00:52:22.240 J.D. Vance

00:52:22.920 on a couple of occasions

00:52:24.060 said,

00:52:24.600 I misspoke.

00:52:25.480 Like,

00:52:25.700 he just owned it

00:52:26.400 and pivoted

00:52:26.960 right off of it.

00:52:27.860 I mean,

00:52:27.980 it was a master class

00:52:29.080 in how to get out of it,

00:52:30.560 whereas Tim Walz

00:52:31.500 was just,

00:52:32.060 you know,

00:52:33.180 twisting himself.

00:52:34.220 can I add credibility

00:52:35.600 to Tim Walz's

00:52:36.820 own argument?

00:52:38.200 He either

00:52:39.760 intentionally misspoke

00:52:41.840 on the debate stage

00:52:43.620 tonight

00:52:43.980 or he told the truth.

00:52:45.820 Either way,

00:52:46.440 this is not a good answer.

00:52:49.000 Sot 15

00:52:50.220 on the subject

00:52:51.000 of school shootings.

00:52:52.480 Governor,

00:52:54.420 you previously

00:52:55.000 opposed an assault

00:52:55.920 weapons ban,

00:52:56.640 but it's only later

00:52:57.440 in your political career

00:52:58.620 did you change

00:52:59.480 your position.

00:53:00.140 Why?

00:53:00.520 Yeah,

00:53:00.720 I sat in that office

00:53:01.360 with those Sandy Hook

00:53:02.080 parents.

00:53:02.580 I've become friends

00:53:03.300 with school shooters.

00:53:04.260 I've seen it.

00:53:05.300 Wait,

00:53:05.600 what?

00:53:07.940 Right?

00:53:08.520 What?

00:53:09.160 I don't know

00:53:09.700 if he meant that.

00:53:10.680 School shooting victims

00:53:13.220 is what he meant.

00:53:14.640 Yeah,

00:53:14.940 we hope so.

00:53:15.500 He meant school shooting victims.

00:53:16.300 I just want to go back

00:53:18.060 to the China answer.

00:53:19.040 I'd love to know

00:53:20.140 how they rehearsed it

00:53:21.800 because I'm sure

00:53:22.280 they prepared for it.

00:53:24.140 But that,

00:53:24.960 the mind

00:53:26.260 and the kind of posture

00:53:27.900 of someone

00:53:28.220 who could give the answer

00:53:29.200 as bad as he gave,

00:53:30.940 I mean,

00:53:31.460 I don't know

00:53:31.880 what he was trying

00:53:32.440 to accomplish

00:53:32.980 with that answer.

00:53:34.540 But Vance

00:53:35.800 didn't go after him,

00:53:37.600 right?

00:53:37.840 You imagine if Trump

00:53:38.680 had been in that situation

00:53:39.800 and his opponent

00:53:40.840 had given an answer

00:53:41.680 like that.

00:53:42.480 He would have gone

00:53:43.020 right after him.

00:53:43.760 I thought a big part

00:53:45.320 of what Vance

00:53:46.320 showed tonight was

00:53:47.280 he showed grace

00:53:48.660 throughout small moments

00:53:50.480 and large

00:53:50.860 when he learned

00:53:51.960 apparently on stage

00:53:53.100 that Walt's son

00:53:55.280 had witnessed a shooting.

00:53:57.320 We have that.

00:53:57.960 He said something about it.

00:53:58.360 Stand by, Mark.

00:53:58.960 Let me play it.

00:53:59.780 And I'm taking it

00:54:00.240 on the back end.

00:54:00.860 It's at 16.

00:54:02.620 Well,

00:54:03.140 I think all the parents

00:54:04.080 watching tonight,

00:54:04.880 this is your biggest nightmare.

00:54:06.220 Look,

00:54:06.440 I got a 17-year-old

00:54:08.260 and he witnessed

00:54:10.260 a shooting

00:54:10.740 at a community center

00:54:11.620 playing volleyball.

00:54:12.840 Those things

00:54:13.240 don't leave you.

00:54:14.160 As a member of Congress,

00:54:15.320 I sat in my office

00:54:17.600 surrounded by dozens

00:54:19.360 of the Sandy Hook parents

00:54:20.440 and they were looking

00:54:21.580 at my 7-year-old picture

00:54:23.020 on the wall.

00:54:23.540 Their 7-year-old were dead

00:54:24.660 and they were asking us

00:54:25.920 to do something.

00:54:26.880 And look,

00:54:27.300 I'm a hunter.

00:54:28.400 I own firearms.

00:54:29.720 The vice president is.

00:54:30.900 We understand

00:54:31.560 that the Second Amendment

00:54:32.520 is there,

00:54:33.780 but our first responsibility

00:54:34.800 is to our kids

00:54:35.660 to figure this out.

00:54:37.100 Senator?

00:54:37.860 Tim,

00:54:38.100 first of all,

00:54:38.500 I didn't know

00:54:38.780 that your 17-year-old

00:54:39.600 witness is shooting.

00:54:40.640 I'm sorry about that

00:54:41.480 and I appreciate you saying so.

00:54:42.640 Christ have mercy.

00:54:43.880 It is awful.

00:54:46.140 Keep going.

00:54:48.340 So he,

00:54:49.920 I mean,

00:54:50.780 there's so many things

00:54:51.500 he did tonight

00:54:51.940 that Donald Trump

00:54:52.440 would never do.

00:54:53.360 They're just not part

00:54:54.060 of his DNA.

00:54:55.200 That's one of them.

00:54:56.420 But again,

00:54:57.480 I just think,

00:54:58.440 you know,

00:54:58.920 like Ross Duthard

00:54:59.660 of the New York Times,

00:55:00.400 whose judgment I respect,

00:55:01.560 who's a conservative

00:55:02.460 but no lover

00:55:03.320 of Trump

00:55:05.160 but does respect J.D. Vance,

00:55:06.640 said it was the best

00:55:07.700 Republican debate performance

00:55:08.960 in recent memory.

00:55:10.040 I think moments like that,

00:55:12.220 the fact that he was willing

00:55:13.400 to say congenial things

00:55:16.420 and graceful things

00:55:18.300 and show grace to Tim Waltz,

00:55:20.460 I thought,

00:55:21.220 again,

00:55:21.620 strengthens his appearance.

00:55:23.340 And again,

00:55:24.700 all the things he did tonight

00:55:26.380 that were strong

00:55:27.020 go right back

00:55:28.060 to why he was chosen

00:55:28.840 in the first place.

00:55:29.580 A much derided pick

00:55:30.620 in part because the media

00:55:31.520 has gone after him.

00:55:32.540 What did he do?

00:55:33.640 He put a suburban dad face

00:55:36.300 on MAGA.

00:55:37.320 He spoke MAGA

00:55:38.320 in a way

00:55:38.900 that centrist voters

00:55:40.580 could appreciate.

00:55:42.100 He wasn't cruel.

00:55:44.060 Now,

00:55:44.240 the Democrats will say

00:55:45.060 he's a liar,

00:55:45.780 he's a phony,

00:55:46.560 et cetera.

00:55:47.200 But he's a really popular guy

00:55:49.520 with a lot of people

00:55:50.260 who know him.

00:55:51.540 And you saw that tonight.

00:55:52.740 He was the version of himself

00:55:55.620 that people who like him,

00:55:56.980 and I know a ton of people

00:55:57.860 who like him

00:55:58.420 and respect him.

00:55:59.260 I also know a ton of people

00:56:00.140 who think he's a phony.

00:56:01.260 But he was his best self tonight

00:56:02.760 in every way

00:56:03.900 to win a debate.

00:56:04.980 You know what?

00:56:06.340 To your point,

00:56:06.920 I will say that

00:56:07.780 I feel like those of us

00:56:09.100 who knew J.D. Vance

00:56:09.980 prior to him getting picked,

00:56:11.300 like had spent some time with him,

00:56:13.160 were in favor of this pick.

00:56:14.320 Yeah.

00:56:15.140 And people who didn't know him

00:56:16.460 weren't.

00:56:16.780 Yeah.

00:56:17.020 Because they were solely

00:56:17.800 looking at it through the eyes

00:56:19.280 of get Nikki Haley

00:56:20.560 so we can get that wing

00:56:21.340 of the party behind Trump.

00:56:22.860 Right.

00:56:23.000 But those of us

00:56:23.340 who knew J.D. Vance

00:56:24.260 knew fully this side of him

00:56:26.060 more than the public-facing side

00:56:28.220 and knew that this would come out,

00:56:30.080 knew that he was actually

00:56:31.360 very bright

00:56:32.040 and like a very gifted mind.

00:56:33.760 Think of how this kid

00:56:34.800 had zero advantages

00:56:35.760 and basically

00:56:37.260 after having started

00:56:38.100 in the Marines

00:56:38.600 got himself through Ohio State

00:56:39.920 in two years

00:56:40.560 with a double major

00:56:41.620 and then on to Yale.

00:56:43.180 I mean,

00:56:43.340 you could see how brilliant

00:56:44.400 this guy was last night

00:56:45.420 and think of what it takes

00:56:46.500 to overcome the childhood

00:56:47.580 adverse experiences he had

00:56:49.280 completely by your own bootstraps,

00:56:51.620 absolutely no connections

00:56:52.580 to get yourself up to that.

00:56:54.300 Right.

00:56:54.360 That's what we saw tonight.

00:56:55.820 Somebody with heart

00:56:56.800 and a gifted intellect

00:56:59.380 and all the skills needed

00:57:01.240 to express both.

00:57:02.880 And so, Sean,

00:57:03.600 that's why it was,

00:57:04.800 it was like,

00:57:06.200 you know,

00:57:06.420 I talked about the joke,

00:57:07.340 I opened the show by saying,

00:57:08.520 if you're a Republican

00:57:09.340 or if you're any,

00:57:10.020 if you're right of center,

00:57:10.940 you know,

00:57:11.320 you watch it,

00:57:11.800 you were like,

00:57:12.600 thank God!

00:57:14.400 Finally,

00:57:15.000 somebody who can do that.

00:57:17.360 But, you know,

00:57:18.300 the funny thing is,

00:57:18.980 is that for so long,

00:57:20.560 since JD, frankly,

00:57:21.520 was picked,

00:57:22.000 you heard,

00:57:22.440 you've heard from the media

00:57:23.220 that this guy is nuts,

00:57:24.460 he's crazy,

00:57:25.060 he's extreme.

00:57:25.860 Tonight,

00:57:26.600 for the first time,

00:57:27.380 people heard from him

00:57:28.300 in an extended way

00:57:29.760 and I think to Mark's point,

00:57:31.360 the way that he talked,

00:57:32.500 the way that he interacted

00:57:33.380 with Waltz,

00:57:34.400 there are people

00:57:34.900 that are probably like,

00:57:35.460 why is he not at the top

00:57:36.380 of the ticket now?

00:57:37.440 He won a lot of people

00:57:39.320 over tonight.

00:57:40.320 Frank Luntz did a focus group

00:57:41.700 tonight where he talked

00:57:42.500 about the fact that

00:57:43.240 most of the people

00:57:44.320 came over to JD's side

00:57:45.720 by the end of it.

00:57:46.580 Which was a shock

00:57:47.540 from where they started.

00:57:48.800 Tonight,

00:57:49.300 people were reassured

00:57:50.860 why Donald Trump

00:57:51.780 picked him tonight.

00:57:52.640 One small incident,

00:57:54.100 and I was talking to Dan

00:57:54.900 off camera about this,

00:57:55.900 it was funny because

00:57:57.080 during the Harris-Trump debate,

00:58:01.420 she would do this tactic

00:58:02.620 where she'd go,

00:58:03.460 you know,

00:58:03.720 one, two, three, four,

00:58:05.460 your tie is ugly.

00:58:06.520 And Trump would go,

00:58:07.400 my tie is great,

00:58:08.280 it's the most,

00:58:08.800 you know,

00:58:09.000 and he took the bait.

00:58:10.600 Tonight,

00:58:11.160 there was an instance

00:58:11.960 at the end

00:58:12.600 where Waltz said to JD,

00:58:14.240 your alma mater,

00:58:15.340 and he was referring

00:58:16.240 to Wharton

00:58:16.880 where JD didn't

00:58:17.860 go to school.

00:58:19.080 He didn't take the bait.

00:58:20.600 And I know that sounds trite,

00:58:21.880 but the bottom line

00:58:22.620 is that JD pivoted

00:58:23.900 right back

00:58:24.500 to talking about

00:58:25.740 Kamala Harris

00:58:26.340 and her record

00:58:27.020 and Donald Trump's,

00:58:28.280 you know,

00:58:28.560 results as president.

00:58:29.660 He understood

00:58:30.620 the mission at hand

00:58:31.880 and did it very,

00:58:33.340 very well

00:58:33.720 over and over again,

00:58:34.940 never taking the bait,

00:58:36.260 always getting back

00:58:37.080 to the key point

00:58:38.440 that he wanted to make

00:58:39.500 putting the spotlight

00:58:40.740 on Kamala Harris.

00:58:42.040 Conversely, Dan,

00:58:43.780 Waltz did take the bait

00:58:45.720 on what could have been

00:58:48.060 and probably was

00:58:49.000 his best moment

00:58:50.060 of the night,

00:58:50.640 which is when we got

00:58:51.440 to J6.

00:58:52.880 And he said,

00:58:54.560 they asked JD Vance,

00:58:56.180 did Trump win?

00:58:57.780 And JD wouldn't

00:58:59.200 exactly answer.

00:59:00.340 And we all knew

00:59:01.120 that he was playing

00:59:02.020 with plutonium

00:59:02.880 in that moment,

00:59:03.640 given his audience

00:59:04.480 at home of,

00:59:05.460 you know,

00:59:05.700 of one,

00:59:06.600 his boss.

00:59:07.840 And he was on his heels

00:59:10.740 and Tim Walz

00:59:12.100 for a moment was like,

00:59:13.220 you didn't answer

00:59:13.760 the question,

00:59:14.340 did he win?

00:59:15.380 And JD Vance is like,

00:59:16.440 the thing to talk about

00:59:17.380 is censorship.

00:59:18.360 You care so much

00:59:19.080 about the Constitution.

00:59:20.280 Why do you censor

00:59:21.340 under the first amendment?

00:59:22.160 And Walz took the bait.

00:59:24.220 And I was like,

00:59:25.140 Democrats,

00:59:25.740 welcome to our world.

00:59:26.700 This is how we felt,

00:59:28.080 right?

00:59:28.440 We watched Trump

00:59:29.320 chase all the liver snaps

00:59:30.700 that were thrown out

00:59:31.460 for him by Kamala Harris.

00:59:33.880 Hey, Megan.

00:59:34.620 Something that just

00:59:36.000 came in my inbox.

00:59:37.640 Joe Klein,

00:59:38.540 who hates Donald Trump,

00:59:40.340 hates him.

00:59:40.640 Thinks JD Vance is,

00:59:42.020 he calls him

00:59:42.780 a mortal sleazeball.

00:59:45.600 His headline is,

00:59:46.760 Coach gets clobbered,

00:59:47.760 it was an embarrassment.

00:59:49.600 And he said it was

00:59:50.520 almost as bad

00:59:51.600 as Joe Biden's performance,

00:59:53.100 which is,

00:59:53.500 he said it was close

00:59:54.160 to his bed.

00:59:54.960 So sometimes debates,

00:59:56.700 you know,

00:59:56.900 left, right,

00:59:57.740 and, you know,

00:59:58.420 people see what

00:59:58.980 they want to see.

00:59:59.940 Joe Klein,

01:00:00.580 who's willing to be honest,

01:00:02.660 he's a centrist Democrat,

01:00:03.740 but he hates Donald Trump.

01:00:05.460 His verdict

01:00:06.040 is pretty conclusive.

01:00:08.440 So what does that mean?

01:00:09.360 I mean, Megan,

01:00:09.680 I would say-

01:00:10.200 Do you think Democrats

01:00:10.340 are having any,

01:00:11.020 like, regrets on him?

01:00:12.320 Are they thinking about

01:00:12.960 Josh Shapiro at this point?

01:00:14.200 Go ahead with your point.

01:00:16.420 Yeah, well,

01:00:17.180 I mean,

01:00:17.500 I'll make two.

01:00:18.580 I mean,

01:00:18.940 it's amazing

01:00:20.140 that fans put walls

01:00:22.180 on the defensive,

01:00:23.180 not just on January 6th,

01:00:24.640 but on abortion.

01:00:26.080 I mean,

01:00:26.700 it's the first time

01:00:27.620 in two and a half years

01:00:28.520 that I've seen a Democrat

01:00:29.580 get a little flustered

01:00:30.860 and uncomfortable

01:00:32.180 on abortion,

01:00:33.900 but yes,

01:00:34.560 to go to your next question here,

01:00:36.220 I was,

01:00:36.680 you know,

01:00:37.380 looking at X

01:00:38.080 kind of throughout the night

01:00:39.160 and a lot of my Democratic friends,

01:00:41.160 and there were a whole lot of,

01:00:43.300 oh,

01:00:43.540 why didn't we pick

01:00:44.320 Governor Shapiro?

01:00:46.460 But then,

01:00:47.000 you know,

01:00:47.260 I go back to,

01:00:48.160 again,

01:00:48.480 one of the reasons

01:00:49.160 Vance was picked

01:00:49.880 was that he was good

01:00:51.000 on television,

01:00:51.960 he was an effective communicator,

01:00:54.240 and you didn't see that tonight,

01:00:56.120 and you haven't really seen it

01:00:57.200 the last month and a half

01:00:58.640 since he's been selected.

01:00:59.540 Okay,

01:01:01.960 so,

01:01:02.600 and in this day and age,

01:01:04.160 in this day and age,

01:01:05.240 sorry,

01:01:05.580 in this day and age,

01:01:07.100 to win a debate decisively

01:01:08.420 and be civil,

01:01:10.060 to be respectful

01:01:10.980 and still clobber somebody,

01:01:12.740 that is really hard to do.

01:01:14.640 So,

01:01:15.040 Mark,

01:01:15.320 it doesn't matter

01:01:16.060 because you've got

01:01:16.700 the Harris campaign,

01:01:17.880 I'll go to you next,

01:01:18.560 John,

01:01:18.660 but you've got

01:01:19.520 the Harris campaign

01:01:20.100 coming out already

01:01:20.780 saying,

01:01:21.480 quote,

01:01:21.620 Vice President Harris

01:01:22.340 believes that

01:01:22.900 the American people

01:01:23.560 deserve to see her

01:01:24.360 and Trump

01:01:24.720 on the debate stage

01:01:25.560 one more time.

01:01:26.920 She will be in Atlanta

01:01:27.840 on October 23rd.

01:01:29.740 Donald Trump

01:01:30.220 should step up

01:01:31.220 and face the voters.

01:01:33.040 So,

01:01:33.560 she doesn't want this

01:01:34.840 to be the last memory.

01:01:36.580 That's obvious.

01:01:38.020 No.

01:01:39.120 Again,

01:01:39.780 I think J.D. Vance

01:01:40.780 now becomes

01:01:41.360 a supercharged surrogate.

01:01:43.180 The Republicans

01:01:43.640 will be,

01:01:44.120 the crowds will be bigger,

01:01:45.440 they'll be more enthusiastic.

01:01:46.820 I think it's possible

01:01:47.660 the press will give him

01:01:48.440 a better and more fair hearing

01:01:50.380 because when you have

01:01:51.380 people like Joe Klein

01:01:52.500 and Amy Walter

01:01:53.540 and others

01:01:54.140 who are looked to

01:01:55.020 as kind of arbiters

01:01:56.300 say this was a mismatch,

01:01:57.720 Chris Saliza,

01:01:58.620 all these people

01:01:59.240 who never say a nice thing

01:02:00.540 about J.D. Vance

01:02:01.400 saying,

01:02:02.160 yes,

01:02:02.740 he was great.

01:02:03.800 I just think

01:02:04.380 it makes him more valuable

01:02:05.560 and it doesn't,

01:02:06.880 I don't think the polls

01:02:07.820 will move,

01:02:08.880 but I do think J.D. Vance

01:02:09.980 will raise more money

01:02:10.920 for the ticket now.

01:02:12.240 I think he'll get bigger crowds,

01:02:13.640 more enthusiastic crowds,

01:02:14.580 and I think,

01:02:15.060 again,

01:02:15.780 he becomes the voice

01:02:17.060 of the future

01:02:17.640 for the party

01:02:18.300 in a way that,

01:02:19.480 again,

01:02:19.720 was the whole regional basis

01:02:21.160 for his being chosen.

01:02:23.060 The Axelrod tweet

01:02:24.420 you mentioned earlier

01:02:25.140 among others

01:02:25.760 was he tweeted out,

01:02:27.480 here's the thing,

01:02:28.220 VPs don't make policy,

01:02:29.980 presidents do.

01:02:30.920 Who talks about

01:02:31.620 the Pence years?

01:02:33.040 And, you know,

01:02:33.860 many other tweets along that.

01:02:35.420 Go ahead, Sean.

01:02:37.300 No, I think the point

01:02:38.300 that you're getting at is

01:02:39.040 does this now

01:02:40.240 force another debate?

01:02:42.120 I think Donald Trump

01:02:42.820 looked at this tonight

01:02:43.580 and the big question is

01:02:44.440 does he say,

01:02:45.260 I don't want that,

01:02:46.500 I want to show the

01:02:47.300 I can do that

01:02:48.060 and does Kamala Harris,

01:02:49.200 obviously,

01:02:49.700 you just read it,

01:02:50.620 clearly doesn't want that

01:02:51.580 to be the last word

01:02:52.360 from her side.

01:02:54.060 I've not,

01:02:54.740 I've been very skeptical

01:02:55.760 about a third debate,

01:02:57.620 if you will,

01:02:59.340 you know,

01:02:59.780 among this iteration

01:03:00.560 of candidates.

01:03:02.020 I just don't know now.

01:03:03.580 I mean,

01:03:03.820 if I were Trump,

01:03:04.760 I think he's going to say,

01:03:05.760 yeah,

01:03:05.940 I'll go again.

01:03:06.580 I saw how you did that.

01:03:07.580 No, what?

01:03:09.760 Mark and I

01:03:10.320 are shaking our heads.

01:03:11.060 No, why?

01:03:11.860 Why would he say

01:03:12.600 this is a win?

01:03:13.760 It's late.

01:03:14.260 It's late.

01:03:14.760 Maybe that's it.

01:03:15.840 Sean,

01:03:16.160 were you using some

01:03:17.020 of that Kamala Harris

01:03:17.740 legalized marijuana

01:03:18.600 before this show?

01:03:19.800 No, no.

01:03:21.720 Okay,

01:03:22.340 you know what?

01:03:22.880 I'm just telling you,

01:03:23.820 I know,

01:03:25.340 but just trust me on this.

01:03:26.520 I'm telling you,

01:03:27.780 I think at least

01:03:28.760 the discussion of it

01:03:29.920 is going to come back up

01:03:30.900 in Mar-a-Lago tomorrow,

01:03:32.180 which is,

01:03:32.840 maybe we should,

01:03:33.620 let's lay out,

01:03:34.200 I mean,

01:03:34.360 I wouldn't be surprised

01:03:35.080 to see a truth come out

01:03:36.620 that says,

01:03:37.560 if she'll do it here,

01:03:38.800 here, and here,

01:03:39.400 I'll meet her.

01:03:39.940 But he may not

01:03:40.960 want to do it

01:03:41.440 on the terms

01:03:41.980 that she's laid out.

01:03:43.080 But I think you're

01:03:43.680 going to see talk

01:03:44.320 in the next 24 hours

01:03:45.400 about him wanting to engage.

01:03:45.920 Put a tracking advice

01:03:47.660 on Laura Loomer.

01:03:48.480 That'll be the sign.

01:03:49.700 If she heads down

01:03:50.460 for debate prep,

01:03:51.260 we'll know.

01:03:51.800 I can't imagine he's,

01:03:53.260 like,

01:03:53.400 there was a report

01:03:54.080 on CNN.

01:03:55.080 She's,

01:03:55.860 you know,

01:03:56.100 these two,

01:03:56.900 they're like,

01:03:57.700 I will see you at NBC

01:03:58.680 on this day.

01:03:59.920 And then the other one,

01:04:00.460 I will see you at CNN

01:04:01.500 on this debate.

01:04:02.400 Be there or be whatever.

01:04:03.600 Okay,

01:04:03.860 it's just so crazy.

01:04:05.680 But,

01:04:05.920 so she's saying

01:04:08.100 this is a CNN debate

01:04:09.300 that she's agreed to

01:04:10.020 that he's never agreed to.

01:04:11.140 And he has still agreed

01:04:12.140 to a Fox News debate

01:04:13.380 that she has not agreed to.

01:04:14.820 Or maybe it was NBC.

01:04:15.920 I'm losing track now.

01:04:17.800 But CNN had a report

01:04:19.060 out yesterday

01:04:19.560 saying he's reconsidering

01:04:22.040 the possibility

01:04:23.800 of going to the CNN debate.

01:04:26.980 So that dovetails.

01:04:28.620 Oh, wait,

01:04:29.100 he just tweeted.

01:04:30.560 Oh, boy.

01:04:31.520 Some people are saying,

01:04:32.960 some people are saying,

01:04:33.820 they'll do it

01:04:34.820 on morning meetings.

01:04:36.260 Stand by.

01:04:37.080 It reads,

01:04:37.940 Lion Kamala

01:04:38.840 just put out a request

01:04:40.120 for another debate

01:04:40.820 because they lost

01:04:41.540 so badly tonight.

01:04:42.320 Again,

01:04:42.660 it's like the fighter

01:04:43.320 who lost gets up

01:04:44.320 and says,

01:04:44.700 I want a rematch.

01:04:45.660 I beat Biden.

01:04:46.880 I then beat her.

01:04:47.880 And I'm not looking

01:04:48.780 to do it again

01:04:49.520 too far down the line.

01:04:51.660 Votes are already cast

01:04:52.740 and I'm leading big

01:04:54.340 in the polls.

01:04:55.180 I'll make America great again.

01:04:56.780 She's incapable of it.

01:04:58.040 So it's a no for now.

01:04:59.260 Go ahead.

01:04:59.660 Go ahead, Mark.

01:05:01.760 No,

01:05:02.180 just some people are saying

01:05:03.360 that they'll do the debate,

01:05:04.640 but it has to be

01:05:05.080 on the morning meeting.

01:05:06.520 That's what some people are saying.

01:05:07.580 Yeah.

01:05:08.940 Some people.

01:05:10.040 Yeah, they are.

01:05:10.860 Here's another one

01:05:11.500 of those moments,

01:05:12.040 by the way,

01:05:12.640 where you sort of saw

01:05:14.480 the magnanimous J.D. Vance.

01:05:15.680 I want to get this on,

01:05:16.400 Sot 18.

01:05:16.800 It's really rich

01:05:20.420 for Democratic leaders

01:05:22.180 to say that Donald Trump

01:05:23.560 is a unique threat

01:05:24.360 to democracy

01:05:24.940 when he peacefully

01:05:26.420 gave over power

01:05:27.680 on January the 20th,

01:05:29.120 as we have done

01:05:29.860 for 250 years

01:05:31.060 in this country.

01:05:31.760 We are going to shake hands

01:05:33.000 after this debate

01:05:33.860 and after this election.

01:05:34.940 And of course,

01:05:35.500 I hope that we win

01:05:36.640 and I think we're going to win.

01:05:37.580 But if Tim Walsh

01:05:38.240 is the next vice president,

01:05:39.580 he'll have my prayers,

01:05:40.580 he'll have my best wishes,

01:05:41.540 and he'll have my help

01:05:42.340 whenever he wants it.

01:05:44.000 But we have to remember

01:05:45.400 that for years

01:05:46.360 in this country,

01:05:47.440 Democrats protested

01:05:48.720 the results of elections.

01:05:50.120 Hillary Clinton in 2016

01:05:51.760 said that Donald Trump

01:05:53.340 had the election stolen

01:05:54.600 by Vladimir Putin

01:05:56.000 because the Russians

01:05:57.060 bought like $500,000

01:05:58.400 worth of Facebook ads.

01:06:00.280 This has been going on

01:06:01.400 for a long time.

01:06:02.720 And if we want to say

01:06:03.520 that we need to respect

01:06:04.640 the results of the election,

01:06:05.900 I'm on board.

01:06:07.000 But if we want to say,

01:06:07.960 as Tim Walsh is saying,

01:06:08.760 that this is just a problem

01:06:09.860 that Republicans have had,

01:06:11.360 I don't buy that.

01:06:13.140 Okay.

01:06:13.580 So that was good messaging.

01:06:14.800 And I think I would suggest

01:06:16.180 to you guys

01:06:16.680 was part of the reason

01:06:17.400 why that Franklin's focus group,

01:06:18.980 they started off

01:06:20.580 with 12 people.

01:06:21.980 Five said they were

01:06:22.680 leaning toward Trump.

01:06:24.700 So that leaves seven

01:06:25.960 at the start up for grabs

01:06:27.980 or leaning Harris.

01:06:29.640 I'm not clear on where it was.

01:06:31.420 But at the end,

01:06:32.140 he just tweeted out

01:06:33.040 12-2 in favor of J.D.

01:06:37.780 So J.D. Vance won over.

01:06:41.000 I'm going to have to do the math.

01:06:43.000 12 minus five.

01:06:46.060 It's late.

01:06:47.860 A bunch.

01:06:48.540 It's a bunch.

01:06:49.360 Megan, it's a bunch of people.

01:06:50.680 He won over a bunch of people.

01:06:52.280 More than half a dozen.

01:06:53.220 A cubby.

01:06:53.920 A cubby.

01:06:55.140 Yeah.

01:06:55.680 So wait,

01:06:56.340 that brings me back to Dan.

01:06:57.480 Does that mean,

01:06:58.280 is anybody thinking,

01:06:59.540 I don't think they're going

01:07:00.200 to do a switcheroo,

01:07:01.040 but do you think

01:07:01.600 there are a lot of Democrats

01:07:02.360 tonight saying,

01:07:03.140 what was wrong

01:07:04.440 with Josh Shapiro?

01:07:05.620 Yeah, yeah.

01:07:08.460 I mean, yeah.

01:07:09.360 Look, and then if Israel

01:07:10.420 and Iran go to war,

01:07:11.520 they'll be like,

01:07:11.900 yeah, now I remember

01:07:12.680 why they did not pick

01:07:13.740 Josh Shapiro.

01:07:15.720 And no, look,

01:07:16.720 I mean,

01:07:16.980 I think if you're

01:07:17.860 the Harris campaign,

01:07:18.900 you just move forward.

01:07:20.300 I would not be surprised

01:07:21.720 if they have some announcement

01:07:22.660 to make in the morning

01:07:23.600 to try to shift

01:07:24.220 the conversation.

01:07:25.400 Maybe she announces

01:07:26.120 she's going to North Carolina

01:07:27.260 or Georgia

01:07:27.920 or something,

01:07:28.940 but you just try

01:07:30.220 to move forward.

01:07:31.400 And at the end of the day,

01:07:32.920 you know,

01:07:33.160 this race probably

01:07:33.800 doesn't change very much.

01:07:35.200 And it's a super close race.

01:07:36.900 Okay.

01:07:37.320 And I do want to ask you,

01:07:38.600 Sean,

01:07:38.840 because you were,

01:07:39.600 yeah, go ahead, Mark.

01:07:41.700 Well, she is,

01:07:42.460 she is going to the affected states

01:07:44.300 in the next couple of days.

01:07:45.520 She announced that to me.

01:07:47.740 I want to ask you, Sean,

01:07:48.840 because you mentioned this.

01:07:51.220 The abortion answer

01:07:52.340 does deserve a little attention

01:07:53.540 because it is amazing

01:07:55.560 to see a Republican

01:07:56.460 be able to say,

01:07:57.800 like,

01:07:58.620 hey,

01:07:59.300 you didn't answer.

01:08:00.280 And I will say

01:08:01.280 to its credit,

01:08:02.720 the moderators,

01:08:04.600 CBS News came in

01:08:05.660 on the abortion question

01:08:06.540 with Walls on ninth month.

01:08:08.940 Is that cool?

01:08:09.900 You never see that.

01:08:10.960 That was Nora.

01:08:11.800 She was the only one

01:08:12.800 out there who was asking.

01:08:13.960 I mean, Margaret was just,

01:08:15.020 I went over it.

01:08:17.400 And he didn't answer it.

01:08:19.060 He did not answer the question.

01:08:21.280 And then when J.D.

01:08:22.440 you know,

01:08:23.180 tried to pound him on,

01:08:24.380 like,

01:08:24.600 you did sign that law,

01:08:26.360 he lied.

01:08:27.100 And he said

01:08:28.200 he didn't sign it.

01:08:29.380 And he did sign a law

01:08:31.100 saying that you could have

01:08:32.660 an abortion

01:08:33.060 through the ninth month.

01:08:34.200 He did.

01:08:34.920 He just,

01:08:35.280 like,

01:08:35.480 anytime he got pinned down

01:08:36.620 on the line,

01:08:37.040 but it was,

01:08:38.060 again,

01:08:38.400 you never see this happen,

01:08:39.660 Sean.

01:08:39.820 No,

01:08:41.960 and Dan,

01:08:42.620 Dan was absolutely right.

01:08:43.600 This is the first time

01:08:44.460 I've ever seen a Republican

01:08:46.620 effectively communicate

01:08:48.100 better than a Democrat

01:08:49.680 on this issue.

01:08:50.780 But J.D.'s precision

01:08:52.180 on the facts,

01:08:52.920 right,

01:08:53.140 because it wasn't just

01:08:54.140 the allowing up to nine months.

01:08:56.380 But the issue

01:08:57.260 that Tim Waltz

01:08:57.980 really got caught on

01:08:58.880 was they changed

01:08:59.940 the medical definition

01:09:00.940 of what a doctor

01:09:01.840 was responsible of doing

01:09:03.280 if there was a born-alive baby

01:09:05.740 that went through

01:09:06.320 a botched abortion.

01:09:07.400 That's a fact.

01:09:08.200 J.D. was absolutely right

01:09:09.420 on that.

01:09:09.960 And he pressed Waltz on it

01:09:11.140 and he kept going after him.

01:09:12.580 J.D. was relentless

01:09:13.540 on this issue.

01:09:14.360 He was spot on in the facts.

01:09:15.600 He was empathetic and caring.

01:09:17.120 I mean,

01:09:17.260 he literally did everything

01:09:19.300 that Republicans

01:09:20.500 have been saying

01:09:21.120 they should do

01:09:21.920 on this issue.

01:09:22.920 I've never in my life

01:09:24.680 seen a Democrat

01:09:25.620 on defense

01:09:26.580 when it comes to this issue.

01:09:28.480 Waltz literally blew this issue,

01:09:30.820 which has been

01:09:31.420 their defining

01:09:32.180 and biggest issue

01:09:33.480 when it comes to

01:09:34.620 this election.

01:09:35.460 All of their ads,

01:09:36.380 all of their money,

01:09:37.240 all their get-out-the-vote effort

01:09:38.300 is predicated on this.

01:09:39.760 This is their target-rich issue

01:09:42.100 in terms of expanding

01:09:43.080 the gender gap.

01:09:44.360 He blew it tonight.

01:09:45.580 For the first time

01:09:46.500 in political history,

01:09:47.800 a Democrat got screwed

01:09:49.000 on this issue.

01:09:50.100 It was amazing

01:09:51.040 to watch J.D.'s

01:09:51.960 surgical-like precision

01:09:54.240 getting in there

01:09:55.520 on things

01:09:56.600 that hadn't been

01:09:57.240 responded to,

01:09:58.480 asking the open-ended questions

01:10:00.160 like,

01:10:00.640 what exactly

01:10:01.340 am I wrong on?

01:10:02.600 How did I misstate it?

01:10:03.960 Which can be

01:10:04.720 the scariest questions

01:10:05.880 to receive up there.

01:10:06.880 Like, oh, crap.

01:10:08.320 You know,

01:10:08.620 I thought I would just

01:10:09.260 be able to be like,

01:10:09.860 it's a lie

01:10:10.440 and move on.

01:10:11.660 He really was,

01:10:13.020 I mean,

01:10:13.280 it really looked like

01:10:14.080 somebody who had gone

01:10:14.820 through a surgical residency

01:10:15.880 when it comes to rhetoric

01:10:17.300 and argument,

01:10:17.960 which is kind of

01:10:18.480 what law school is

01:10:19.260 and, you know,

01:10:19.900 maybe also at Yale,

01:10:21.520 even though

01:10:21.920 I would recommend

01:10:23.240 Albany Law School

01:10:23.940 for all of you out there.

01:10:24.900 It's a fine pedestrian

01:10:25.860 law school

01:10:26.480 and you can see

01:10:28.080 the law clearly

01:10:28.700 because you don't have

01:10:29.260 all that ivy

01:10:29.900 in your eyes.

01:10:30.500 It's wonderful.

01:10:31.700 Highly recommend.

01:10:32.640 So, Mark,

01:10:34.300 I'll end with you.

01:10:34.960 Final thoughts

01:10:35.640 on where we are tonight

01:10:37.880 and whether,

01:10:39.240 I know you say

01:10:39.700 you don't think

01:10:40.020 it'll affect the race,

01:10:41.280 but you don't think,

01:10:42.780 and I'm just going to

01:10:43.480 generate enthusiasm

01:10:45.340 and all that,

01:10:46.660 you don't think

01:10:47.400 it's going to lead

01:10:48.240 to a polling bump

01:10:49.440 and take on my point

01:10:52.220 of Trump doesn't necessarily

01:10:54.120 need a polling bump

01:10:55.740 because right now

01:10:57.480 it's so tight

01:10:58.500 that's good for Trump.

01:10:59.720 Well, we didn't,

01:11:02.820 we'll never know

01:11:03.480 if it'll lead

01:11:03.980 to a polling bump

01:11:04.580 because there's so much

01:11:05.220 else going on right now,

01:11:06.200 right?

01:11:06.440 We've got three big stories

01:11:07.960 that have Harris

01:11:08.700 at least a little bit

01:11:09.620 back on our heels

01:11:10.320 or at least in peril,

01:11:11.680 the dock strike,

01:11:14.560 the Middle East

01:11:16.480 and the aftermath

01:11:17.740 of the storm.

01:11:18.860 I think that my Republican sources

01:11:20.840 who said about a month ago

01:11:22.060 that the polls would move

01:11:23.620 in the Sunbelt states

01:11:24.880 back to Trump

01:11:25.640 and that Pennsylvania

01:11:26.840 would be a better state

01:11:28.760 for Trump,

01:11:29.460 that may be happening

01:11:30.600 before our eyes.

01:11:31.500 There's some indication

01:11:32.200 in the public data

01:11:33.100 and in the private data

01:11:34.600 that that's happening.

01:11:35.960 So what this will do,

01:11:37.780 as I said,

01:11:38.380 it will elevate Vance

01:11:39.240 as a fundraiser,

01:11:40.040 elevate him as a surrogate.

01:11:41.740 I think it'll also give

01:11:42.680 just Trump himself,

01:11:43.900 I don't think he'll be upset

01:11:44.880 about the performance.

01:11:45.800 I think he'll say,

01:11:46.740 Steve, I was right.

01:11:47.680 I picked him

01:11:48.240 and he turned out to be great,

01:11:49.280 just what I thought all along.

01:11:50.920 I do think it'll give Republicans

01:11:52.500 a shot of confidence.

01:11:54.180 It'll give Democrats

01:11:55.160 a little bit more trepidation

01:11:56.480 about putting Waltz out.

01:11:58.060 And of course,

01:11:58.460 we know they have trepidation

01:11:59.320 about putting Harris out.

01:12:00.660 So it gives them

01:12:01.200 a shot of momentum.

01:12:01.880 They certainly win

01:12:02.420 a couple news cycles

01:12:03.280 off of this.

01:12:04.140 But in terms of seeing

01:12:04.960 a fundamental shift

01:12:05.800 in the polls off of it,

01:12:06.860 that's more than any

01:12:08.200 vice presidential debate,

01:12:09.280 even one that's almost

01:12:10.720 an historic mismatch

01:12:11.980 can possibly do.

01:12:13.300 I can only imagine

01:12:14.540 Kamala Harris sitting at home

01:12:15.760 thinking,

01:12:16.420 what happened to my

01:12:18.420 emotional support governor?

01:12:20.220 Is this what you do

01:12:21.460 when I hire you

01:12:22.160 as my emotional support governor?

01:12:23.760 You say you're a knucklehead

01:12:25.140 after she writes a meltdown.

01:12:26.780 You have the weird faces.

01:12:29.780 She's got to write

01:12:30.440 a thank you note

01:12:31.000 to Margaret Brennan.

01:12:31.900 She's got to get that done

01:12:32.620 on the VP stationery.

01:12:34.180 Absolutely.

01:12:34.960 I'm sure she'll be

01:12:35.880 in the running

01:12:36.220 for press secretary

01:12:36.920 if Kamala Harris

01:12:37.540 pulls this whole thing out.

01:12:38.940 You guys,

01:12:39.420 it's been a pleasure.

01:12:40.220 Dan, welcome to the party.

01:12:41.400 Great to have you.

01:12:43.420 Thank you so much.

01:12:44.280 Thanks for having me.

01:12:45.720 Wow.

01:12:46.120 What a night.

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01:14:00.220 Eric Bolling.

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01:14:16.800 Welcome back to the show.

01:14:19.360 Tell me everything.

01:14:20.040 What'd you think?

01:14:20.960 Miss Megan,

01:14:22.540 you guys did a great,

01:14:24.680 great summary

01:14:25.240 of what went on.

01:14:26.960 And I think you hit on

01:14:28.780 something very importantly

01:14:29.540 with the four fact checks

01:14:31.320 by Margaret Brennan only.

01:14:32.840 I think Nora Donalds

01:14:34.040 was pretty fair.

01:14:35.240 I think she was even-handed.

01:14:37.560 Margaret Brennan,

01:14:38.400 who I've known

01:14:38.800 a very long time

01:14:39.700 used to work with her

01:14:40.460 at CNBC

01:14:41.340 prior to her CBS gig.

01:14:44.480 She had so much bias.

01:14:47.360 She had so much animosity

01:14:49.100 when she was talking

01:14:50.200 to J.D. Vance.

01:14:51.300 But you guys are right.

01:14:52.940 The one time

01:14:53.920 when J.D.

01:14:55.080 really had the composure,

01:14:56.420 J.D. Vance

01:14:56.860 had a composure

01:14:57.620 when he was called out

01:14:59.020 during an answer

01:14:59.920 that should have been

01:15:00.840 a third rail

01:15:01.820 for Republicans,

01:15:02.760 a layup for Democrats,

01:15:04.180 called out

01:15:05.140 during the answer

01:15:06.080 and Walsh had nowhere

01:15:08.480 to go with it.

01:15:09.140 And then Margaret Brennan

01:15:09.920 to her credit,

01:15:10.780 maybe it was Nora Donald,

01:15:11.600 one of them,

01:15:12.200 to their credit,

01:15:12.700 said Walsh explained

01:15:14.000 and then he got twisted

01:15:15.200 himself into a pretzel,

01:15:16.540 started gaslighting.

01:15:17.840 But the point is,

01:15:18.980 I think you see

01:15:20.160 when they called

01:15:22.200 J.D. Vance weird,

01:15:23.700 that was Tim Walsh

01:15:24.600 who came up with that line.

01:15:25.800 Oh my, in retrospect now,

01:15:27.440 I would have laughed at it.

01:15:31.120 How ironic

01:15:32.520 that it was Walsh

01:15:34.440 who called Vance.

01:15:35.600 And they may have gotten

01:15:36.440 him that pick.

01:15:38.300 And so I think

01:15:38.920 you saw a couple,

01:15:39.880 I think I agree

01:15:41.360 with Halpern

01:15:41.980 where I don't think

01:15:42.700 this is going to move

01:15:43.420 the needle.

01:15:44.020 I'll get to two reasons.

01:15:45.340 One of them is

01:15:45.880 because I don't think

01:15:46.380 VPs are that impressive

01:15:48.400 or that important.

01:15:49.620 However,

01:15:50.620 Trump's my friend.

01:15:52.500 With a 78-year-old president,

01:15:54.660 he is right now

01:15:55.540 smack dab

01:15:56.100 in the middle of life expectancy

01:15:57.400 in American males.

01:15:59.420 You have to think

01:16:00.360 what would happen.

01:16:01.540 So you look at

01:16:02.000 those two candidates

01:16:02.740 side by side

01:16:03.540 on that stage

01:16:04.760 if Trump,

01:16:05.740 God forbid,

01:16:06.140 passes away.

01:16:07.260 Could J.D. Vance step in?

01:16:09.020 Yes.

01:16:09.920 Unequivocally.

01:16:10.740 Independence.

01:16:11.760 Democrats won't say no.

01:16:13.020 Independents have to say

01:16:14.020 yes.

01:16:15.000 Same independence.

01:16:16.240 If Kamala Harris

01:16:16.960 wants to go back

01:16:17.600 and pick coconuts

01:16:19.040 from her heritage

01:16:20.620 Jamaican coconut trees

01:16:22.000 that her mom

01:16:22.440 talks about all the time,

01:16:24.240 would America

01:16:26.080 be okay

01:16:26.720 with a Tim Walz

01:16:27.840 as commander-in-chief?

01:16:29.120 I think the answer

01:16:29.860 is unequivocally no.

01:16:31.660 He was nervous.

01:16:32.340 Just a quick interjection.

01:16:33.940 Remember,

01:16:34.140 she just gave an interview

01:16:35.000 where she was at.

01:16:36.720 Was it Oprah?

01:16:37.260 I can't remember.

01:16:38.040 No,

01:16:38.320 I think it was

01:16:39.060 Stephanie Rule

01:16:40.100 where she was like,

01:16:41.220 what was the last

01:16:42.320 biggest decision

01:16:43.500 you've had to make?

01:16:44.280 Like a gut

01:16:44.860 that where you used

01:16:45.600 your gut.

01:16:46.120 And she said

01:16:46.820 it was selecting

01:16:47.820 my running mate.

01:16:48.680 It was selecting

01:16:49.280 Tim Walz.

01:16:49.800 I just went

01:16:50.400 on instinct.

01:16:51.500 I used my gut.

01:16:52.320 Okay,

01:16:52.660 well,

01:16:52.860 we see where

01:16:53.280 that's gotten us.

01:16:53.960 I'm a knucklehead

01:16:55.260 in a vice presidential debate.

01:16:58.320 But she also

01:16:59.360 recently has said

01:17:00.620 during that whole period

01:17:02.400 when she was

01:17:02.940 making that decision,

01:17:04.360 she was under

01:17:05.220 massive insomnia

01:17:06.400 because everything

01:17:07.400 was happening so fast.

01:17:08.780 She was all of a sudden

01:17:09.500 the candidate.

01:17:10.500 Joe Biden was no longer

01:17:11.380 the candidate.

01:17:12.300 She wasn't sleeping.

01:17:13.600 And I think

01:17:14.080 she was just preparing

01:17:15.280 the world

01:17:16.640 for the realization

01:17:17.820 because she was probably

01:17:18.540 realizing like we are now

01:17:20.040 that it was a terrible pick.

01:17:21.780 Now,

01:17:22.700 does it matter?

01:17:24.060 The right's going to say,

01:17:25.780 well,

01:17:26.160 it really depends.

01:17:27.140 You can see Trump

01:17:27.660 made a great decision.

01:17:28.700 He's a good,

01:17:29.300 he picks only the best people.

01:17:31.160 Well,

01:17:31.260 we can say

01:17:32.000 that's not necessarily the case.

01:17:34.560 Trump,

01:17:35.480 term 1.0,

01:17:36.480 there were a lot of people

01:17:37.400 who ended up,

01:17:38.600 you know,

01:17:39.040 stabbing him in the back.

01:17:40.120 I would say

01:17:40.700 Mike Pence

01:17:41.500 was a terrible position.

01:17:43.220 In fact,

01:17:43.480 I was interviewing Trump

01:17:44.560 a week,

01:17:46.360 it was literally

01:17:47.060 a week before

01:17:47.740 the 2020 election.

01:17:49.380 Maybe it was two weeks.

01:17:50.020 I'm sorry,

01:17:50.300 it was two weeks

01:17:50.640 before the election.

01:17:51.280 And I said to him,

01:17:52.760 are you going to replace Vance?

01:17:53.900 And he looked at me,

01:17:54.560 he's like,

01:17:54.800 no,

01:17:55.200 no one ever asked me that before.

01:17:56.840 No,

01:17:57.180 I'm going to stay with him.

01:17:58.380 In hindsight,

01:17:59.560 it was a bad decision.

01:18:01.000 He should have.

01:18:02.420 Pence,

01:18:02.820 I'm sorry,

01:18:03.120 Pence.

01:18:03.360 I say Vance,

01:18:03.860 I meant Pence.

01:18:04.580 Yeah,

01:18:04.780 so I asked him

01:18:06.000 if he was going to replace Vance

01:18:07.180 prior to the election.

01:18:09.240 He said,

01:18:09.840 no,

01:18:10.200 I'm going to stay with him.

01:18:11.140 And he should have

01:18:11.800 because Pence has been proven

01:18:13.320 to be nothing but terrible

01:18:14.920 for Trump

01:18:16.600 and for MAGA

01:18:17.280 and really for

01:18:18.600 conservatives,

01:18:19.960 for real conservatives.

01:18:20.620 But I realized those two

01:18:23.360 needed a divorce

01:18:24.200 that it wasn't meant to be.

01:18:25.960 But I think he's a good man.

01:18:28.100 Okay,

01:18:28.460 so here's the other thing.

01:18:30.460 J.D. Vance,

01:18:31.160 I realize it may not have

01:18:32.100 changed his trajectory,

01:18:33.000 but what do you make

01:18:33.660 of my theory

01:18:34.220 that it has rehabilitated him

01:18:36.220 in the minds of

01:18:37.200 some

01:18:37.900 who have seen

01:18:39.120 nothing but negative

01:18:40.120 media coverage

01:18:40.740 about this guy,

01:18:41.620 right?

01:18:41.820 and then suddenly,

01:18:43.040 I don't know

01:18:43.500 what the ratings will be.

01:18:44.280 They won't be as good

01:18:44.980 as the presidential debate

01:18:46.120 between Trump and Harris,

01:18:47.720 but I bet they'll be decent

01:18:48.840 that they suddenly saw

01:18:51.360 this totally new

01:18:52.380 and different figure

01:18:53.180 who was not

01:18:54.380 this disgusting person

01:18:55.500 who was actually

01:18:56.700 quite likable,

01:18:57.560 who was polite,

01:18:59.680 right?

01:18:59.940 Because that was a risk

01:19:00.840 that he would come across

01:19:01.620 as too slick

01:19:02.460 against this Midwestern.

01:19:04.040 He's Midwestern too,

01:19:04.860 but like this

01:19:05.460 folksy, avuncular

01:19:06.800 Tim Walls

01:19:07.780 with the flannel

01:19:08.440 and gee,

01:19:09.020 I'm just kind of like

01:19:09.740 a regular football coach

01:19:10.920 and he didn't.

01:19:12.260 He did not come across

01:19:13.220 as slick.

01:19:13.820 He was smooth.

01:19:14.780 He was effective,

01:19:15.840 but he was likable.

01:19:18.200 I think J.D. Vance

01:19:19.860 did what Donald Trump,

01:19:22.500 they wanted Trump

01:19:23.520 to do the first,

01:19:24.460 the first debate

01:19:25.480 and the second debate

01:19:26.600 against Kamala Harris.

01:19:28.100 Trump took the bait

01:19:28.800 too many times

01:19:29.500 and we talked about that.

01:19:30.660 I think had Trump

01:19:32.100 had that same demeanor,

01:19:33.500 that confidence

01:19:34.180 that cogent delivery.

01:19:37.620 You exuded confidence.

01:19:39.920 I think he would have been

01:19:40.720 in much better shape

01:19:43.020 after the first debate.

01:19:44.400 Here's why I don't think

01:19:45.320 this debate matters.

01:19:46.500 I don't think there should

01:19:47.180 be another debate.

01:19:48.760 I think Trump won

01:19:50.060 the election today,

01:19:51.100 not because of this debate.

01:19:52.480 It had nothing to do

01:19:53.120 with the debate.

01:19:54.100 I think the two things

01:19:54.920 that happened today,

01:19:55.700 we woke up and we saw

01:19:56.700 the 45,000 longshoremen

01:19:59.100 went on strike.

01:20:00.480 That's going to create

01:20:01.240 a massive,

01:20:02.140 if it lasts,

01:20:02.740 it's going to,

01:20:03.540 they didn't ask about it,

01:20:04.940 but it's also going

01:20:05.540 to create a massive problem

01:20:07.180 right now.

01:20:07.680 It already is.

01:20:08.680 Cars are already

01:20:09.540 being stopped

01:20:10.260 at the ports.

01:20:11.520 Things are going

01:20:12.280 to start to back up.

01:20:13.560 Prices are going

01:20:14.200 to start to go up.

01:20:15.480 That's what happens.

01:20:16.680 Oil prices rocketed up

01:20:18.140 $4 a barrel.

01:20:19.500 That's about 40 cents

01:20:20.580 a gallon.

01:20:21.300 That you're going to,

01:20:22.000 definitely going to see it,

01:20:22.860 no matter what happens,

01:20:23.920 you're going to see

01:20:24.600 gasoline prices raise

01:20:26.060 anywhere between

01:20:27.200 30 and 40 cents a gallon

01:20:28.840 if it stops,

01:20:29.860 if they even release,

01:20:31.340 if they even open up

01:20:33.060 the ports right now.

01:20:34.020 It's already on its way up.

01:20:35.600 Prices will go up

01:20:36.500 and then

01:20:37.120 ransending ballistic missiles

01:20:39.800 into Israel.

01:20:42.060 Those two events,

01:20:43.860 I think any independent vote,

01:20:45.740 I think there's people

01:20:46.540 on the right

01:20:46.900 who are going to vote

01:20:47.360 for Trump

01:20:47.760 and on the left

01:20:48.240 are going to vote

01:20:48.700 for Harris

01:20:49.080 no matter what.

01:20:49.620 But the independent

01:20:50.560 voter has to say,

01:20:52.480 this Harris,

01:20:53.880 Biden,

01:20:55.500 Harris,

01:20:55.940 and Walls now,

01:20:56.760 this whole administration

01:20:57.700 has caused us

01:20:58.960 tons of heartache

01:21:00.360 in the family budget

01:21:01.540 over the last four years.

01:21:02.900 They haven't fixed anything.

01:21:04.500 Vance was very smart

01:21:05.840 in saying,

01:21:06.820 all her ideas are great,

01:21:08.480 but she had four years

01:21:09.580 to do it

01:21:10.060 and she hasn't done anything.

01:21:11.220 So what makes you think

01:21:12.300 anything would change

01:21:13.620 going forward?

01:21:14.660 So I think people realize

01:21:15.680 that and with this

01:21:16.620 long-shoreman strike

01:21:17.640 and what could happen,

01:21:19.820 it's going to sway a vote,

01:21:21.920 an independent vote to Trump.

01:21:23.360 And then you realize,

01:21:24.880 under Trump,

01:21:26.200 there wasn't an Israel,

01:21:27.320 there wasn't an attack

01:21:28.220 by Hamas

01:21:28.940 or an attack

01:21:29.520 by Iran on Israel.

01:21:31.340 There wasn't Russia

01:21:33.020 taking Ukraine,

01:21:34.180 going into Ukraine.

01:21:35.260 These things didn't happen

01:21:36.440 under Trump for a reason.

01:21:38.280 Trump,

01:21:39.060 at dinner

01:21:39.620 with Xi Jinping

01:21:40.440 at Mar-a-Lago,

01:21:42.180 sends missiles

01:21:42.880 to a Syrian airbase

01:21:44.360 with Russian soldiers on it

01:21:46.080 at dinner

01:21:46.960 with Xi Jinping.

01:21:48.560 The world leaders know,

01:21:50.360 don't F with this guy.

01:21:52.340 Just don't play games

01:21:53.560 with this guy

01:21:54.120 on his watch.

01:21:54.360 We have some sound

01:21:55.580 about that

01:21:56.040 that I wanted to get on.

01:21:57.320 Here's one of these moments

01:21:58.400 where Vance is responding

01:21:59.740 to a question

01:22:00.420 on what's happening

01:22:02.260 in the Middle East.

01:22:02.940 Watch it.

01:22:03.540 Top four.

01:22:05.240 The U.S. did have

01:22:06.180 a diplomatic deal

01:22:07.200 with Iran

01:22:07.980 to temporarily pause

01:22:09.320 parts of its nuclear program,

01:22:11.060 and President Trump

01:22:11.840 did exit that deal.

01:22:14.400 He recently said,

01:22:16.420 just five days ago,

01:22:17.840 the U.S. must now make

01:22:19.680 a diplomatic deal

01:22:20.880 with Iran

01:22:21.460 because the consequences

01:22:22.620 are impossible.

01:22:24.260 Did he make a mistake?

01:22:26.360 You have one minute.

01:22:27.320 Well, first of all, Margaret,

01:22:28.380 diplomacy is not a dirty word,

01:22:29.940 but I think that's something

01:22:30.600 that Governor Walz

01:22:31.260 just said is quite extraordinary.

01:22:32.740 You yourself just said

01:22:33.760 Iran is as close

01:22:34.840 to a nuclear weapon today

01:22:36.280 as they have ever been.

01:22:38.020 And Governor Walz,

01:22:38.660 you blame Donald Trump.

01:22:39.820 Who has been the vice president

01:22:41.200 for the last three

01:22:41.940 and a half years?

01:22:42.600 And the answer is

01:22:43.200 your running mate,

01:22:43.960 not mine.

01:22:45.140 Donald Trump consistently

01:22:46.540 made the world

01:22:48.000 more secure.

01:22:48.900 Now, we talk about

01:22:49.840 the sequence of events

01:22:51.760 that led us

01:22:52.680 to where we are right now,

01:22:53.940 and you can't ignore

01:22:55.540 October the 7th,

01:22:56.620 which I appreciate

01:22:57.240 Governor Walz bringing up.

01:22:58.740 But when did Iran

01:22:59.740 and Hamas

01:23:00.660 and their proxies

01:23:01.500 attack Israel?

01:23:02.620 It was during

01:23:03.480 the administration

01:23:04.360 of Kamala Harris.

01:23:05.680 So Governor Walz

01:23:06.720 can criticize

01:23:07.380 Donald Trump's tweets,

01:23:08.980 but effective,

01:23:10.040 smart diplomacy

01:23:10.840 and peace through strength

01:23:12.480 is how you bring stability

01:23:13.980 back to a very broken world.

01:23:16.020 Donald Trump

01:23:16.500 has already done it

01:23:17.340 once before.

01:23:17.900 Ask yourself at home,

01:23:19.840 when was the last time,

01:23:21.800 I'm 40 years old,

01:23:22.640 when was the last time

01:23:23.760 that an American president

01:23:24.980 didn't have a major

01:23:25.860 conflict breakout?

01:23:26.920 The only answer

01:23:27.860 is during the four years

01:23:28.640 that Donald Trump

01:23:29.100 did.

01:23:30.700 Amazing.

01:23:31.800 You couldn't improve on it.

01:23:35.280 That's the point.

01:23:36.520 The other point is

01:23:37.300 Barack Obama

01:23:38.460 sent $120 billion

01:23:40.180 in cash

01:23:42.000 in C-130 transports

01:23:44.200 over to the Ayatollahs

01:23:45.820 in Iran.

01:23:47.020 Donald Trump

01:23:47.520 came in and said

01:23:48.140 enough is enough.

01:23:48.920 We slapped sanctions

01:23:49.800 on Iran.

01:23:50.320 We slapped sanctions

01:23:51.360 on Iran.

01:23:51.840 They were going bankrupt.

01:23:53.920 Tehran was looking

01:23:55.060 for food.

01:23:55.800 They were at the mercy

01:23:57.000 of the world.

01:23:57.540 They were on their knees.

01:23:59.680 Probably the third

01:24:00.560 or fourth largest

01:24:01.300 oil producer

01:24:01.840 on the planet

01:24:02.500 was brought down

01:24:04.480 to begging

01:24:05.480 for help

01:24:06.440 under Donald Trump.

01:24:08.260 Trump leaves office.

01:24:09.640 Biden comes in,

01:24:10.840 lifts the sanctions,

01:24:12.160 sends billions

01:24:13.020 billions upon billions

01:24:14.700 of dollars

01:24:15.080 back over to Iran.

01:24:16.640 Next thing you know,

01:24:17.800 they're funding Hamas.

01:24:19.000 They're funding Hezbollah.

01:24:20.460 Rockets are going

01:24:21.200 into Israel.

01:24:22.240 Israel says,

01:24:23.000 you know,

01:24:23.240 we're not going to wait

01:24:24.060 for this anymore.

01:24:25.160 We're going to take matters

01:24:26.060 into our own hands

01:24:27.120 because you screwed up,

01:24:29.140 Joe Biden.

01:24:29.980 You screwed up

01:24:30.780 and you put us at risk.

01:24:31.900 The world is a safer place

01:24:33.640 under Donald Trump.

01:24:35.000 Like it or not,

01:24:35.580 like his methods or not,

01:24:36.880 it just simply is.

01:24:38.020 And by the way,

01:24:39.080 we're better off for it.

01:24:40.120 If you don't think

01:24:40.920 that translates

01:24:41.620 into other things,

01:24:43.180 safety and security,

01:24:44.400 think about what it does

01:24:45.360 for prices.

01:24:46.300 There's a reason

01:24:46.960 inflation was 1.4%

01:24:49.340 under Donald Trump.

01:24:51.040 Energy prices were lower.

01:24:52.620 Trump wanted to drill

01:24:55.300 as much as he possibly could.

01:24:56.960 I've been an oil trader

01:24:57.920 for 40 years.

01:25:00.080 The only time oil

01:25:01.680 ever traded

01:25:02.580 as low as it ever did

01:25:03.840 and it traded at zero,

01:25:05.100 it actually traded negative

01:25:06.120 during Donald Trump.

01:25:07.280 Think about that for a second.

01:25:08.820 They were giving away

01:25:10.040 barrels of crude oil

01:25:11.460 because they had so much

01:25:12.700 they didn't have

01:25:13.620 anywhere to store it.

01:25:15.080 That happened

01:25:16.060 under Donald Trump.

01:25:17.320 Do we forget that?

01:25:18.840 It was $1.89 a gallon

01:25:20.360 for a reason.

01:25:22.240 It wasn't just markets

01:25:23.140 going back and forth.

01:25:24.060 It was because

01:25:24.460 Donald Trump's policies

01:25:26.020 created more energy,

01:25:27.880 created more supply

01:25:30.280 for energy.

01:25:31.920 Demand was always there.

01:25:32.840 Supply, he created it.

01:25:34.380 Biden comes in,

01:25:35.740 Obama leaves,

01:25:36.720 Trump comes,

01:25:37.280 Biden comes back in,

01:25:38.640 they immediately put

01:25:39.500 the clamps on leasing

01:25:41.620 certain lands

01:25:42.380 to drill on.

01:25:43.120 They say they don't,

01:25:43.760 but they do.

01:25:44.840 And they threaten fracking.

01:25:47.000 One more thing

01:25:47.620 about fracking,

01:25:48.320 if I may,

01:25:49.360 with this,

01:25:50.020 what's going on

01:25:50.520 with the longshoremen

01:25:51.360 and now Iran

01:25:52.240 throwing bombs

01:25:53.320 into Israel,

01:25:55.700 oil is going to be

01:25:57.100 a major, major player.

01:25:58.820 I believe that

01:26:00.060 the election

01:26:01.440 will come down

01:26:02.000 to Pennsylvania.

01:26:02.740 I think that's the state

01:26:03.760 that will decide

01:26:04.460 the election.

01:26:05.000 Whoever wins,

01:26:05.540 Pennsylvania wins.

01:26:06.880 Fracking is a major,

01:26:08.000 major industry

01:26:08.700 in Pennsylvania.

01:26:09.960 Kamala Harris,

01:26:10.660 they can't trust her.

01:26:11.880 If they trust her

01:26:12.760 that she's going

01:26:13.320 to be pro-fracking

01:26:14.120 after she clearly

01:26:15.540 has stated

01:26:16.100 on several occasions

01:26:17.060 she would ban it

01:26:18.380 completely federally,

01:26:20.400 they're out of their minds.

01:26:21.280 And I think

01:26:21.900 the people of Pennsylvania

01:26:23.400 outside of Philadelphia

01:26:24.740 and Pittsburgh

01:26:25.340 will bring Trump

01:26:26.860 a presidency.

01:26:28.000 I want to talk

01:26:29.140 about the economy.

01:26:29.820 This is a true area

01:26:30.900 of expertise for you.

01:26:32.380 I love this story,

01:26:33.400 but I remember

01:26:34.240 watching you on the 5

01:26:35.000 one day,

01:26:35.420 and it was when

01:26:36.000 the White House

01:26:36.440 was shut down

01:26:36.980 for tours under,

01:26:38.840 I guess it was Obama.

01:26:40.600 He was not allowing

01:26:41.680 tours of the White House

01:26:43.160 because of the budget,

01:26:44.400 whatever.

01:26:45.080 And you were like,

01:26:45.680 this is ridiculous.

01:26:46.540 And you said,

01:26:47.020 it was like,

01:26:47.600 I don't know,

01:26:48.060 maybe like $140,000 a day

01:26:49.880 to keep the White House

01:26:51.080 open for the tours.

01:26:52.360 And you said,

01:26:52.800 I will personally fund

01:26:53.860 the tours,

01:26:54.560 you know,

01:26:55.160 for the next week

01:26:56.280 if you just open it back up.

01:26:57.800 And Greg Gottfeld

01:26:58.820 responded by saying,

01:27:00.100 I'm just now realizing

01:27:01.960 that this show

01:27:02.680 is not your primary

01:27:03.580 source of income.

01:27:04.300 It was your successful

01:27:08.140 career as an oil

01:27:10.600 and gas trader.

01:27:11.600 So you know

01:27:12.620 of which you speak

01:27:13.620 when you talk about

01:27:14.640 energy and the price.

01:27:15.740 So tell us

01:27:16.280 what is going to happen

01:27:17.580 now with this

01:27:18.360 potential war

01:27:19.700 in the Middle East

01:27:20.480 and Iran

01:27:21.200 right smack dab

01:27:22.740 in the middle of it.

01:27:24.920 Well,

01:27:25.380 if you can tell me

01:27:26.120 what Joe Biden

01:27:26.840 and Kamala Harris

01:27:27.560 will do in response,

01:27:29.480 I mean,

01:27:30.060 I believe we need

01:27:32.100 to defend,

01:27:32.660 I hate wars

01:27:33.280 and I don't want

01:27:34.580 any,

01:27:35.160 would never send

01:27:35.760 another American

01:27:37.280 human being

01:27:37.840 into a war.

01:27:38.620 But if you tell me

01:27:39.280 how Joe Biden

01:27:39.980 is going to respond,

01:27:40.700 I'll tell you what.

01:27:41.640 Right now,

01:27:42.340 I think if we defend

01:27:43.620 Israel,

01:27:44.040 if we defend Israel

01:27:45.700 through assistance,

01:27:46.620 if you put boots

01:27:47.200 on the ground,

01:27:47.660 God forbid,

01:27:48.400 I think you could see

01:27:49.260 another $200

01:27:50.620 barrel of oil.

01:27:51.580 You could see

01:27:51.900 another $4, $5

01:27:54.580 higher per gallon.

01:27:57.780 Yeah,

01:27:58.280 I know where you're

01:27:58.960 going.

01:27:59.240 You led me right

01:27:59.860 into that.

01:28:00.960 The supply

01:28:02.020 that is

01:28:02.760 770 million

01:28:05.260 barrels of oil

01:28:06.060 that was put

01:28:06.980 into place

01:28:07.580 to protect

01:28:08.080 against justice,

01:28:09.900 a supply

01:28:10.800 disruption

01:28:11.380 to the United States.

01:28:12.540 That was

01:28:13.280 what it was there

01:28:14.160 for.

01:28:14.660 Because Biden

01:28:15.420 raised prices

01:28:16.180 so much

01:28:16.920 with inflation

01:28:18.760 and gas prices

01:28:20.200 were spiking,

01:28:21.220 he released oil

01:28:22.180 to put more supply

01:28:23.540 onto the market

01:28:24.240 to reduce

01:28:25.500 the price of oil.

01:28:26.600 The problem

01:28:26.980 is he gave away

01:28:28.220 or sold out,

01:28:29.340 let's call it

01:28:30.320 this way,

01:28:30.760 sold out

01:28:31.440 more than half

01:28:32.660 of our

01:28:33.160 emergency

01:28:34.560 strategic petroleum

01:28:35.900 reserves.

01:28:36.460 So we're around

01:28:37.320 300 million barrels,

01:28:38.460 which we're supposed

01:28:39.100 to be 780 filled.

01:28:40.780 So he's sold that

01:28:42.200 out.

01:28:42.300 We don't have it anymore.

01:28:43.780 We use 20 million

01:28:45.300 barrels of oil a day.

01:28:46.740 So what are we,

01:28:47.200 15 days of supply,

01:28:48.600 God forbid,

01:28:49.040 a supply disruption.

01:28:50.240 So he puts us

01:28:51.100 at risk

01:28:51.620 to save his own

01:28:52.820 hide his own ass

01:28:54.820 because he jacked

01:28:55.980 up oil prices

01:28:56.960 to start with.

01:28:58.360 It's the worst

01:28:59.460 energy policy

01:29:00.400 we've ever

01:29:01.940 been exposed to.

01:29:02.920 It's even worse

01:29:03.460 than Barack Obama's

01:29:05.140 or God forbid

01:29:07.620 Al Gore.

01:29:08.100 I mean,

01:29:08.520 did a very good job

01:29:08.560 of over and over

01:29:09.320 raising energy

01:29:10.060 and just saying

01:29:10.600 it all starts

01:29:11.060 with energy,

01:29:11.560 it all starts

01:29:12.000 with energy.

01:29:13.040 There was a sharp

01:29:14.520 exchange on the

01:29:15.580 economy and unbelievably,

01:29:17.840 I was glad this

01:29:18.540 came up,

01:29:19.020 frankly,

01:29:19.360 because I think

01:29:20.180 J.D. Vance

01:29:20.700 expected to use it

01:29:21.680 defensively.

01:29:22.340 He wound up

01:29:22.780 using it

01:29:23.380 offensively

01:29:24.080 to begin with,

01:29:25.040 saying they keep

01:29:25.900 citing experts

01:29:26.820 like we don't

01:29:28.100 believe in the experts.

01:29:29.100 We're done

01:29:29.700 listening to the experts.

01:29:31.260 And it was great

01:29:31.700 to hear him say it

01:29:32.360 because Kamala Harris

01:29:33.120 everywhere has been

01:29:34.080 saying,

01:29:35.000 oh,

01:29:35.100 the experts

01:29:35.720 prefer my financial

01:29:37.120 plan to his.

01:29:38.500 Goldman Sachs

01:29:39.260 says my plan

01:29:40.100 is better than his.

01:29:41.220 Meanwhile,

01:29:41.500 the head of Goldman

01:29:42.060 Sachs came out

01:29:42.760 and said,

01:29:43.100 we didn't say that.

01:29:43.900 That's not true.

01:29:45.480 So it was good

01:29:46.260 to see J.D. Vance

01:29:47.100 say offensively,

01:29:48.760 like they're obsessed

01:29:49.600 with the experts.

01:29:50.640 We are obsessed

01:29:51.320 with common sense

01:29:52.220 and the regular man's

01:29:53.480 wisdom.

01:29:53.980 Here's a little bit

01:29:54.680 of that exchange

01:29:55.660 in Sot9.

01:29:57.400 I've made a note

01:29:58.200 of this.

01:29:59.180 Economists

01:29:59.620 don't be trusted.

01:30:01.340 Science

01:30:01.700 can't be trusted.

01:30:03.200 National security

01:30:04.260 folks can't be trusted.

01:30:05.880 Look,

01:30:06.260 if you're going

01:30:06.760 to be president,

01:30:08.100 you don't have

01:30:08.580 all the answers.

01:30:09.180 Donald Trump

01:30:09.580 believes he does.

01:30:10.520 My pro tip

01:30:11.220 of the day

01:30:11.600 is this.

01:30:12.260 If you need

01:30:12.920 heart surgery,

01:30:14.180 listen to the people

01:30:14.920 at the Mayo Clinic

01:30:15.640 in Rochester,

01:30:16.340 Minnesota,

01:30:16.780 not Donald Trump.

01:30:17.580 And the same

01:30:18.300 thing goes

01:30:18.760 with this.

01:30:19.300 And I ask you

01:30:19.980 out there,

01:30:20.920 teachers,

01:30:21.780 nurses,

01:30:22.180 truck drivers,

01:30:22.740 whatever,

01:30:23.380 how is it fair

01:30:24.380 that you're paying

01:30:25.160 your taxes every year

01:30:26.220 and Donald Trump

01:30:27.160 hasn't paid

01:30:27.660 any federal tax

01:30:28.540 in the last 15 years

01:30:29.800 and the last year

01:30:30.740 as president?

01:30:31.460 That's what's wrong

01:30:32.300 with the system.

01:30:33.340 There's a way

01:30:33.840 around it

01:30:34.500 and he's bragged

01:30:35.380 about that.

01:30:36.060 We're just asking

01:30:36.880 for fairness in it

01:30:37.920 and that's all you want.

01:30:39.520 You have a minute.

01:30:40.620 Governor,

01:30:41.160 you say trust

01:30:41.880 the experts,

01:30:42.560 but those same

01:30:43.640 experts for 40 years

01:30:45.060 said that if we

01:30:45.620 shipped our manufacturing

01:30:46.620 base off to China,

01:30:47.740 we'd get cheaper goods.

01:30:48.920 They lied about that.

01:30:50.120 They said if we

01:30:50.620 shipped our industrial

01:30:51.720 base off to other

01:30:52.660 countries,

01:30:53.140 to Mexico and elsewhere,

01:30:54.400 it would make the

01:30:55.160 middle class stronger.

01:30:56.320 They were wrong

01:30:56.960 about that.

01:30:58.020 They were wrong

01:30:58.760 about the idea

01:30:59.600 that if we made

01:31:00.280 America less self-reliant,

01:31:02.260 less productive

01:31:03.740 in our own nation,

01:31:04.800 that it would somehow

01:31:05.340 make us better off

01:31:06.260 and they were wrong

01:31:07.260 about it.

01:31:07.680 And for the first time

01:31:09.000 in a generation,

01:31:10.020 Donald Trump

01:31:10.560 had the wisdom

01:31:11.560 and the courage

01:31:12.660 to say to that

01:31:13.540 bipartisan consensus,

01:31:15.260 we're not doing it anymore.

01:31:16.620 We're bringing

01:31:17.280 American manufacturing

01:31:18.260 back.

01:31:18.840 We're unleashing

01:31:19.540 American energy.

01:31:21.580 And you know,

01:31:22.280 Eric,

01:31:22.540 the other thing,

01:31:23.300 so you mentioned

01:31:23.700 all your favorites there,

01:31:24.700 but the other thing

01:31:25.720 is Donald Trump

01:31:27.300 and what he did

01:31:28.240 to Iran,

01:31:28.700 as you just outlined,

01:31:29.600 was the left

01:31:30.780 was extremely

01:31:31.560 critical of it.

01:31:32.680 They wanted to pretend

01:31:33.480 like that was a real deal

01:31:34.800 where Iran was really

01:31:35.940 going to disarm

01:31:37.400 and we could really

01:31:38.460 just trust them.

01:31:40.060 And Trump knew

01:31:40.860 it was BS

01:31:41.860 and thought the stick

01:31:43.480 was going to work

01:31:44.260 much more effectively

01:31:45.560 than the carrot

01:31:46.280 and he was proven right.

01:31:48.620 You know,

01:31:48.780 now things have spiraled

01:31:50.380 out of control

01:31:50.900 and they want to say,

01:31:51.560 oh,

01:31:51.640 it's because we didn't

01:31:52.240 have this lovely deal.

01:31:53.260 Nobody believes that

01:31:54.200 who's been watching

01:31:54.760 this thing unfold.

01:31:55.980 But finally,

01:31:56.740 you have this effective

01:31:57.460 spokesperson for it

01:31:58.560 and the thing about

01:31:59.360 the experts,

01:32:00.620 is there anybody

01:32:01.960 who's not a far left

01:32:03.280 Democrat alive

01:32:04.660 in this country

01:32:05.440 who is still in the place

01:32:06.980 of,

01:32:07.720 well,

01:32:07.900 I bow to the experts?

01:32:09.560 I'll tell you what,

01:32:12.620 the right,

01:32:13.460 and again,

01:32:14.500 exactly,

01:32:15.520 exactly right.

01:32:16.380 Everyone was warning,

01:32:17.540 don't let them out,

01:32:18.420 don't let them out

01:32:19.340 of this,

01:32:20.040 the deal

01:32:22.240 that Trump

01:32:22.840 put them into,

01:32:23.720 don't let them

01:32:24.240 out of the corner.

01:32:25.280 They're on their knees,

01:32:26.000 not going to be able

01:32:26.620 to progress

01:32:27.060 with their nuclear,

01:32:28.220 their nuclear weapons

01:32:29.360 and as even

01:32:30.640 Margaret Brennan said,

01:32:32.200 they're closer now

01:32:33.100 than they've ever been

01:32:34.220 and that's because

01:32:35.420 they did let them out

01:32:36.460 and they sent cash

01:32:37.240 to the Ayatollahs

01:32:39.820 and to Toronto.

01:32:40.660 There was a great response

01:32:41.320 by Janie Vance,

01:32:42.040 he's like,

01:32:42.460 who's been in the

01:32:43.800 vice presidency

01:32:44.480 for the past

01:32:45.480 three and a half years?

01:32:46.640 Like,

01:32:47.040 you can't say,

01:32:48.300 like,

01:32:48.360 hello,

01:32:48.980 what did you do about it?

01:32:51.520 There was a moment

01:32:52.940 of bias

01:32:53.460 and those who say

01:32:55.120 that Margaret Brennan

01:32:55.980 wasn't biased,

01:32:56.840 I'm telling you,

01:32:57.340 she came from CNBC,

01:32:58.460 I was there

01:32:58.800 at the same time.

01:32:59.420 Who is saying that?

01:32:59.880 She,

01:33:00.360 she,

01:33:01.180 oh,

01:33:02.440 watch,

01:33:04.560 watch MSNBC,

01:33:05.640 MSNBC,

01:33:06.200 right now,

01:33:06.720 saying Tim Walls

01:33:07.720 won the debate.

01:33:08.780 That's,

01:33:09.040 that's how crazy

01:33:09.740 this is right now.

01:33:10.740 That's how,

01:33:11.060 you know what,

01:33:11.520 wait a minute,

01:33:11.880 I think we have that.

01:33:13.100 Let's play it.

01:33:13.400 Don't we have that

01:33:13.980 with Rachel Maddow?

01:33:14.760 Do we have that?

01:33:15.380 Stand by.

01:33:18.000 I think we've got it.

01:33:19.980 Hold please.

01:33:20.640 My team,

01:33:21.300 my team's working so hard

01:33:22.260 cutting soundless.

01:33:22.800 Here we go.

01:33:23.420 I know,

01:33:24.260 they're an amazing team,

01:33:25.160 by the way.

01:33:25.640 They're awesome.

01:33:27.120 A cordial debate

01:33:28.100 between these two men.

01:33:30.340 I wouldn't describe them

01:33:31.440 as evenly matched

01:33:32.400 because they are so different.

01:33:33.700 so different in style

01:33:36.360 and so different

01:33:37.280 on substance.

01:33:39.160 Very interested

01:33:39.960 to hear from the spin room,

01:33:41.300 to hear from all

01:33:41.800 of my colleagues here,

01:33:42.640 to get to all

01:33:43.040 of the analysis

01:33:43.600 that we're going to get to.

01:33:45.020 I think the big picture

01:33:46.740 takeaway from this

01:33:48.100 is that one of these candidates

01:33:49.260 is much slicker

01:33:50.520 than the other,

01:33:51.380 is a much more practiced

01:33:52.920 kind of professional

01:33:53.860 debate style speaker,

01:33:55.400 and the other candidate won.

01:33:57.340 There was one bad moment

01:34:00.360 for Tim Walls

01:34:01.080 in this debate

01:34:01.580 where he got mixed up

01:34:02.680 and embarrassed

01:34:03.300 in answering a question

01:34:04.200 about exactly what month

01:34:05.400 he had been in China

01:34:06.140 in relation to the

01:34:06.900 Tiananmen Square protest.

01:34:08.320 But then on guns,

01:34:11.180 on January 6th,

01:34:12.860 on Obamacare,

01:34:14.480 on the economy,

01:34:15.920 on blaming everything

01:34:17.120 on the border,

01:34:18.060 back again on health care,

01:34:19.780 on abortion,

01:34:21.160 on every issue

01:34:23.000 on substance,

01:34:24.580 J.D. Vance was very polished

01:34:28.200 and very slick,

01:34:29.460 and Tim Walls beat him

01:34:32.640 on all the substantive points.

01:34:34.220 At least that was my take on it.

01:34:37.460 Oh, my God.

01:34:38.480 Wow.

01:34:39.380 Wow.

01:34:39.600 There's no way she believes that.

01:34:40.920 Just be honest.

01:34:41.600 She's just lying right.

01:34:42.500 She's lying for her teeth.

01:34:44.220 Just be honest.

01:34:45.120 I mean, we can say,

01:34:47.100 Megan, I was with you

01:34:48.980 after the Trump-Harris debate.

01:34:51.260 She won.

01:34:51.780 I said, she won.

01:34:53.080 She did.

01:34:53.540 She baited him

01:34:55.400 into a place

01:34:56.160 that he wasn't going to go,

01:34:58.140 didn't want to go,

01:34:59.100 and she won that round.

01:35:00.760 Let's be honest,

01:35:01.560 Rachel Maddow.

01:35:02.240 But the point I was making

01:35:03.200 was Margaret knows better

01:35:04.420 than the one question

01:35:05.680 that she asked both of them.

01:35:07.380 She pushed both Walls

01:35:09.740 and Vance

01:35:10.660 on the idea of housing.

01:35:12.480 Remember, housing came up.

01:35:13.460 And when Vance answered

01:35:15.460 Trump's policy

01:35:16.680 for affordable housing,

01:35:18.900 she went at Vance

01:35:20.620 and she said,

01:35:21.100 well,

01:35:21.520 where are they going to get

01:35:22.200 the federal land

01:35:22.960 to do exactly

01:35:23.620 what you want to do?

01:35:25.160 Okay, fair enough.

01:35:26.180 Fair question, right?

01:35:27.420 You don't want to give away

01:35:28.580 federal land.

01:35:29.520 You change the market.

01:35:30.860 You disrupt

01:35:31.560 the free market principles.

01:35:33.240 And then she asked Walls

01:35:35.060 about something.

01:35:36.620 He obfuscated.

01:35:38.200 He talked about

01:35:38.780 the three million homes

01:35:39.780 that Kamala's going to build.

01:35:41.740 But she let it go right there.

01:35:43.880 And you know what?

01:35:44.280 Vance could have picked up

01:35:45.700 on this too.

01:35:46.840 Where are you going to get

01:35:47.420 the land for three million homes?

01:35:50.420 Where are you going to get

01:35:51.260 the money to build

01:35:52.740 three million homes?

01:35:54.200 Do you know what you're

01:35:54.760 going to do to the price,

01:35:55.920 the cost of construction labor?

01:35:57.860 If you take federal money

01:35:59.320 and go put that money

01:36:01.140 towards construction laborers,

01:36:02.840 you're going to pull them away

01:36:03.680 from private sector labor.

01:36:05.260 And then the private sector,

01:36:06.560 they're going to be searching

01:36:07.500 for labor.

01:36:08.260 Price of homes

01:36:08.820 are going to skyrocket.

01:36:10.200 Your prices of homes

01:36:11.180 are going to skyrocket

01:36:12.440 because you can't afford them.

01:36:13.460 Price of free homes

01:36:14.180 over here.

01:36:14.600 Who gets it?

01:36:15.260 It's unfair.

01:36:16.400 It'll cost hundreds

01:36:17.260 of billions of dollars.

01:36:18.680 It's completely disruptive

01:36:20.180 to the free market

01:36:21.180 in housing,

01:36:22.000 one of our most important

01:36:23.520 industries in America.

01:36:24.740 But no one,

01:36:26.300 no one asked him

01:36:27.540 or her yet

01:36:28.740 about where the money

01:36:30.300 and where the land

01:36:31.240 is going to come from

01:36:32.060 for her ideas.

01:36:33.380 It's right.

01:36:33.940 The bias is incredible.

01:36:35.120 And Margaret,

01:36:35.420 Margaret,

01:36:35.700 you don't get the chance

01:36:36.740 to sit with her.

01:36:37.840 You don't get this.

01:36:38.620 So Margaret Brennan

01:36:39.900 is she hates Trump.

01:36:42.540 She's got a difficult history.

01:36:44.880 First of all,

01:36:45.560 this pair and CBS News

01:36:47.100 has done,

01:36:48.000 I think it's 83%

01:36:49.060 negative coverage of Trump.

01:36:50.240 Of all the coverage

01:36:51.020 that we see

01:36:51.600 on the morning show

01:36:52.660 and the evening show

01:36:53.200 on CBS News,

01:36:53.940 it's 83% negative of Trump.

01:36:56.280 Not quite as high

01:36:57.360 as ABC,

01:36:58.420 which was,

01:36:58.800 I think,

01:36:59.000 97% negative for Trump,

01:37:00.840 but high,

01:37:01.520 high.

01:37:01.880 I mean,

01:37:02.060 that's not a lot

01:37:02.640 of positive stories.

01:37:03.420 17% positive or neutral.

01:37:05.940 And this was Margaret Brennan.

01:37:07.720 Our audience

01:37:08.240 may have forgotten this.

01:37:09.780 It was the night

01:37:12.020 of assassination attempt

01:37:14.200 number one

01:37:15.300 in Butler, Pennsylvania

01:37:17.240 when Trump

01:37:18.340 was still bleeding

01:37:19.360 from his head.

01:37:20.980 And this is how

01:37:21.800 she handled it

01:37:22.620 on the air,

01:37:23.500 SOT 50.

01:37:25.160 And he closes

01:37:25.780 with God bless America

01:37:27.120 and we saw him

01:37:27.820 raise his hand

01:37:28.800 in the air defiantly,

01:37:30.200 blood on his face

01:37:30.880 as he left the stage.

01:37:31.880 He is recovering

01:37:33.660 from these injuries now.

01:37:35.240 This was a traumatic event,

01:37:36.360 no doubt for him,

01:37:37.120 but I did notice

01:37:38.160 there was no call

01:37:39.280 for lowering the temperature,

01:37:42.340 condemning all political violence,

01:37:44.140 and really trying to

01:37:45.580 signal to his supporters

01:37:47.440 as well

01:37:48.040 not to retaliate

01:37:50.580 or to have

01:37:51.440 any kind of escalation.

01:37:53.800 Margaret,

01:37:54.820 there's something wrong

01:37:55.520 with you,

01:37:55.860 my dear.

01:37:57.160 Yeah.

01:37:58.220 Yeah.

01:37:58.960 It's incredible.

01:38:00.500 The sad part is,

01:38:02.140 you know,

01:38:02.420 we're probably

01:38:03.540 tied

01:38:05.740 in the most

01:38:06.780 consequential election,

01:38:07.860 certainly in my lifetime.

01:38:09.280 And we,

01:38:09.820 they owe it to the American people

01:38:11.040 to have a more

01:38:11.780 fair,

01:38:13.360 balanced,

01:38:14.200 to use another

01:38:15.780 Fox term,

01:38:16.640 fair and balanced

01:38:17.280 debate,

01:38:18.200 because this is,

01:38:18.840 it matters.

01:38:21.040 Why would they put her on there?

01:38:22.580 Why would they allow her to do it?

01:38:24.100 Put Major Garrett.

01:38:24.980 Major Garrett

01:38:25.580 worked for

01:38:26.500 Mother Jones Magazine,

01:38:28.980 Fox News,

01:38:30.280 and CBS News.

01:38:31.540 He's got,

01:38:32.660 like,

01:38:33.020 you can't peg him

01:38:34.500 on his politics.

01:38:35.740 Put him out there.

01:38:36.700 But no,

01:38:37.300 they had to do the two ladies,

01:38:38.860 the two women,

01:38:39.440 girl power.

01:38:40.220 This is a girl power election

01:38:41.280 because Kamala Harris is running.

01:38:43.000 And it was a fail.

01:38:44.380 Margaret,

01:38:44.920 she embarrassed herself.

01:38:45.980 Really,

01:38:46.240 Nora O'Donnell did fine.

01:38:47.720 Margaret embarrassed herself.

01:38:49.100 And that is a wound

01:38:50.040 from which she will not recover.

01:38:51.580 You, however,

01:38:52.280 have done beautifully

01:38:53.160 here tonight,

01:38:53.720 my friend.

01:38:54.040 It's great to see you

01:38:54.900 bowling.

01:38:56.880 Good luck with the show

01:38:58.120 and I look forward

01:38:59.400 to listening to it.

01:39:01.520 I love you, Megan.

01:39:02.520 Always good being on with you

01:39:03.740 and let's do this again.

01:39:06.100 You're awesome.

01:39:07.380 You're on, my friend.

01:39:08.100 I appreciate it.

01:39:08.720 All the best to you.

01:39:11.380 Okay,

01:39:11.980 so I would love to know

01:39:13.500 your thoughts

01:39:14.500 and what we witnessed tonight.

01:39:16.000 I am still not over

01:39:18.100 the mic cutting

01:39:19.120 by CBS News.

01:39:20.260 Just as a real debate,

01:39:21.480 as Vance was making points,

01:39:23.320 as he was pinning down

01:39:24.700 Tim Walls,

01:39:26.060 what do they do?

01:39:26.860 Somebody hit the panic button.

01:39:29.140 No.

01:39:30.080 Points scored

01:39:30.760 against our guy.

01:39:32.720 That,

01:39:33.920 I'm embarrassed for them.

01:39:35.600 I'm embarrassed.

01:39:36.660 Somebody must have realized

01:39:38.180 that they shouldn't

01:39:38.800 have done that

01:39:39.320 after the fact.

01:39:40.300 So it's just so obvious,

01:39:42.440 right?

01:39:42.580 You don't expect

01:39:43.060 to be so obvious

01:39:44.060 in their hatefulness

01:39:45.880 towards the Republican

01:39:46.980 and their obvious bias,

01:39:48.180 but they are

01:39:49.200 and they were.

01:39:50.780 What do you think?

01:39:52.160 It's so late.

01:39:52.960 It's almost 1230.

01:39:54.020 Will you email me?

01:39:54.940 We're going to go

01:39:55.360 on the air again tomorrow,

01:39:56.500 normal time.

01:39:57.400 We do the show live

01:39:58.100 on SiriusXM Triumph Channel

01:39:59.260 at noon east

01:40:01.580 where you can hear us live.

01:40:03.800 And then later,

01:40:04.340 we release the show

01:40:05.060 as a podcast

01:40:05.600 and on YouTube.

01:40:06.920 So I would love

01:40:07.480 to hear your feedback

01:40:08.120 on what you thought

01:40:09.240 specifically.

01:40:10.500 It's Megan,

01:40:11.100 M-E-G-Y-N

01:40:12.200 at MeganKelley.com.

01:40:14.820 So send me an email

01:40:15.660 and then let's go to sleep

01:40:17.540 and tune back in tomorrow

01:40:19.660 with our friends

01:40:20.440 from the fifth column.

01:40:22.500 That'll be fun.

01:40:23.800 Really appreciate you guys.

01:40:25.020 Thanks for watching.

01:40:25.560 Big response on YouTube

01:40:26.380 and on SiriusXM tonight.

01:40:27.900 We're grateful

01:40:28.300 that you trust us

01:40:29.620 on these big nights.

01:40:31.180 Good night for now.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 02, 2024

JD Vance Shines and Tim Walz Stumbles in VP Debate, with Johnson, Lowry, Halperin, Spicer, Turrentine, Bolling ｜ Ep. 903

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