The Megyn Kelly Show - Jen Psaki Caught Lying About Biden, and Michael Cohen Celebrated by Media, with the Ruthless Podcast Hosts ｜ Ep. 791

00:00:00.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.200 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.280 Oh, we have a lot to get to today. I think you're going to enjoy today's show.

00:00:18.660 Michael Cohen back on the stand this morning in the business records trial of former President Donald Trump.

00:00:24.180 You will not believe, well maybe you will, the way the media described this liar overnight.

00:00:28.700 He's Agatha Christie, according to Rachel Maddow.

00:00:35.220 Exactly. Identical. Identical.

00:00:39.000 Meantime, Jen Psaki's book came out last week, and her publisher is now having to correct, quote, inaccuracies.

00:00:46.040 You could also call them lies.

00:00:47.940 She didn't kill her puppy, but this, quote, mistake, notice the change in language of the media is talking about her,

00:00:53.820 might be worse than Christie Gnomes. Not might be. It actually is. It's absolutely disgusting.

00:00:58.880 Joining me now, Josh Holmes, Michael Duncan, John Ashbrook, and the man known to his minions as Comfortably Smug.

00:01:04.760 Together, they are the hosts of Ruthless, the program now available on YouTube at youtube.com slash Ruthless Podcast.

00:01:14.920 Guys, welcome back. Great to see you.

00:01:17.020 Great to see you, Megyn. Always a pleasure. Good to be back.

00:01:19.700 I've got such goodness for you again. Honestly, we pull out all the stops when we know our pals from Ruthless are coming on.

00:01:26.700 I'm going to start with Jen Psaki, because I think what she did is so gross, and she's just gross. 1.00

00:01:32.480 So she has written a book. Let me see if I can find it. I have so many papers today.

00:01:37.340 Kelly McGuire, tell me what page this is on, if you can, in my packet.

00:01:40.380 She's written a book, and in her book, she decided that it might be a good idea to describe and rehabilitate

00:01:46.200 President Biden's incident at Andrews Air Force Base when the remains of our fallen soldiers in Afghanistan were returned after his debacle of a withdrawal from that war.

00:02:00.420 And the name of her book is Say More, Lessons from Work, the White House, and the World.

00:02:08.440 And I guess her lessons are, when something bad happens, you just lie about it.

00:02:12.500 And that makes perfect sense, given that she was his press secretary, and now she works for MSNBC.

00:02:18.520 Here is what she wrote. This is per Axios, which has a copy.

00:02:23.140 The president, now this is when, at Andrews, when he, you know, infamously looked at that watch as the remains were in front of him.

00:02:32.620 Per Axios, Hockey writes, the president looked at his watch only after the ceremony had ended.

00:02:40.300 He, moments later, he and the first lady headed toward their car.

00:02:43.520 She also writes that Biden's critics were engaged in, quote, misinformation and used the image to make him appear insensitive, concerned only about how much time had passed.

00:02:58.780 OK, none of that is true.

00:03:01.580 He checked his watch during the ceremony repeatedly, not just once during.

00:03:07.780 Look at this. This is while the bodies are still in front of him.

00:03:11.220 He tries to slide it in there. He looks at his watch.

00:03:14.960 Even his most ardent defenders at the time, who tried to fact check the claims that he checked his watch, had to wind up admitting, all right, he did.

00:03:21.820 In fact, he didn't just do it that once. He did it repeatedly.

00:03:24.900 He wanted to get the thing over with.

00:03:27.720 He was sick. There he is again.

00:03:29.320 He was sick and tired of having to stand there and honor the fallen soldiers at Dover.

00:03:36.660 We've talked about it repeatedly on this show.

00:03:38.600 I'm sure you guys have talked about it as well.

00:03:40.460 And she has the nerve to try to launder that moment in advance of an election by saying it wasn't until the whole thing was over. 1.00

00:03:49.280 It is a lie and it is a material lie, she told in that book.

00:03:54.160 Now, her account is not only at odds with what we saw with our eyes, but with fact checks done at the time, news agencies, photos from the ceremony at Dover and statements from Gold Star families.

00:04:08.080 Hold on a second. This is from Axios here.

00:04:12.740 Mark Schmitz, the father of Marine Lance Corporal Jared Schmitz.

00:04:16.900 Schmitz told Congress in April of 2023 that, quote, while I stood there on the tarmac.

00:04:22.840 No, actually, we have the sock cut. Let's watch it.

00:04:27.200 Well, I stood there on the tarmac watching you check your watch over and over again.

00:04:34.260 All I wanted to do was shout out. 0.99

00:04:36.220 It's two fucking 30. 1.00

00:04:39.280 Asshole. 1.00

00:04:39.720 But out of respect to the other grieving families, I bit my tongue once again. 0.99

00:04:47.160 God bless him.

00:04:48.280 I'm so sorry for his loss.

00:04:49.620 And you can feel his anger.

00:04:51.980 And Jen Psaki calls him a liar by putting this lie of her own in her book. 0.99

00:04:58.060 She's looking those Gold Star families in the face and saying, you lied.

00:05:02.460 You put out misinformation to hurt our dear president.

00:05:06.460 I'm the only one who will tell you the truth.

00:05:08.860 She put it in her book, which she then read in audio form.

00:05:14.200 And this is the same person who a week ago was out there lambasting Christy Noem for lying in her book. 0.99

00:05:23.620 At least she just lied about a dumb ass meeting with a world leader. 0.99

00:05:28.040 It's a it's a lie that's dumb to tell, but of no consequence. 1.00

00:05:31.880 This is a middle finger to the Gold Star families. 1.00

00:05:35.940 And there's been no apology.

00:05:39.140 What she's done so far is first not respond when she was asked for comment by Axios.

00:05:46.680 And then after they published their story, she said the detail in a few lines of the book about the exact number of times he looked at his watch will be removed in future reprints about the e-book.

00:06:01.400 Then she makes it about Bo Biden because he's the go to of the entire White House team.

00:06:08.040 Whenever controversy hits, she tries to say the story on Afghanistan is really about the importance of delivering feedback, even when it's difficult.

00:06:15.220 I told through my own experience of telling President Biden that his own story of loss was not well received by the families who are grieving their sons and daughters.

00:06:22.720 You see, I got it.

00:06:24.660 I understand he shouldn't have brought up Bo Biden as then she does right here to excuse her own lie and her offense caused to the poor Gold Star families.

00:06:37.380 It's absolutely egregious.

00:06:40.640 And by the way, no apology, zero apology to the Gold Star families, six of whom spoke to the New York Post and have demanded a retraction and an apology from her.

00:06:55.520 Nothing.

00:06:56.620 Look at this.

00:06:57.320 How dare she insult them in an effort to score political points for her heartless boss?

00:07:03.360 What do you guys make of it? 0.99

00:07:04.540 Well, it's disgusting. 0.97

00:07:07.920 You know, I haven't read her trash book, obviously, as I imagine many people in your audience haven't either. 0.97

00:07:14.440 But I wonder, you know, while she was busily excusing him for checking his watch and disrespecting families to their face, whether she got into the fact that none of those families would have been there in the first place if it wasn't for Joe Biden.

00:07:24.540 And the egregious missteps and just all out callousness as it dealt with our armed forces, who'd been at that point 20 years into a mission of trying to withdraw at the height of the fighting season.

00:07:41.180 So he could make a deadline of a 20th anniversary of 9-11, which is what this is all about.

00:07:48.000 I mean, none of those families would be there in that in the first place if he didn't want to do a big ceremony on 9-11 announcing that he had ended the war in Afghanistan.

00:07:56.240 Like, never mind the fact that the facts on the ground didn't support what he was trying to do or he put their lives in danger.

00:08:03.760 You got him killed.

00:08:04.980 Like, just be honest with it. 0.53

00:08:06.720 They would not have died if not for that decision making.

00:08:10.460 So his watch, whatever. 0.99

00:08:11.560 You know, like, yes, she's a liar. 0.96

00:08:13.700 But I made the mistake years ago of assuming that everyone who speaks for the Biden administration had no training at all.

00:08:20.660 I think they had tons of training because I don't know how you can straight face lie so often without having some sort of at least remedial course in sociology.

00:08:29.860 Well, it's a great point.

00:08:31.760 But one way you can straight face lie so frequently is if you have a receptive audience.

00:08:36.040 And Democrats certainly have that in the mainstream press.

00:08:38.680 We always say that the easiest job in town is Democrat press secretary because they can say whatever they want.

00:08:44.920 And it will lead the story as if they're the hero.

00:08:47.340 And the Republicans are always quoted at the very bottom.

00:08:49.800 And I think that conditions people like Jen Psaki into, like, this false sense of reality that, oh, you just lie.

00:08:57.320 You'll get away with it.

00:08:57.940 Just lie.

00:08:58.740 Nobody's going to notice.

00:08:59.620 Well, he was on camera and everybody, including that's very, very sad story of that guy who, I mean, Megan, like that video was heartbreaking.

00:09:09.980 I feel so bad for that guy.

00:09:11.760 And people like Jen Psaki just think they can lie to them and then move on to the next thing, the next cocktail party. 1.00

00:09:17.580 And then say it's misinformation.

00:09:19.840 The nerve of this woman to say it's misinformation to claim otherwise.

00:09:23.480 She knows very well that the Gold Star families are on record as saying it happened.

00:09:27.700 Keep going, Ashbrook.

00:09:28.260 No, I mean, you said it very well.

00:09:31.040 It's just it is infuriating and it is very infrequent that they get caught in the lies that they tell on a daily basis.

00:09:38.120 But I think that's why it's so important that people like you, Megan, and people that are listening to this show are actively, vigilantly watching this president in this White House because you know that the media is not.

00:09:51.200 And so it's dependent on your audience, Megan.

00:09:54.860 It's dependent on people like you.

00:09:56.140 It's depending on people like us at the Variety Program to hold them accountable.

00:09:59.860 You can only really understand that.

00:10:00.960 Duncan and Smug, let me – yeah, go ahead, Duncan.

00:10:03.020 Go ahead.

00:10:03.200 Well, I was going to say the only way you can really understand how somebody can be so successful at being such a bald-faced liar is understanding this revolving door between liberal dark money groups, government, and then media.

00:10:16.080 I mean, Jen Psaki came up in her career in a liberal dark money group and then waltzed her way right into the White House to be a spokesperson for the president of the United States. 1.00

00:10:26.560 And then when she got tired of that job, she's on national television every single night.

00:10:30.820 Like, when you live a life like that, that's how you become a liar with no remorse.

00:10:38.000 That's right.

00:10:39.240 Yeah.

00:10:39.520 But look at this.

00:10:40.880 We pulled this a couple weeks ago when Ronna McDaniel got booted from the RNC – no, when she got booted from NBC, right, after like a day of service.

00:10:50.360 Jen Psaki goes on her failing show at MSNBC.

00:10:56.540 And maybe the audience remembers this.

00:10:58.440 I compared her at the time to Dora the Explorer.

00:11:00.320 She was like, I'm here for truth.

00:11:03.420 I, la, la, la, la, la.

00:11:05.500 Listen to what she said, how she described that path you just described.

00:11:09.100 Duncan, listen.

00:11:10.620 Some, mainly in the right-wing ecosystem, have made the comparison to others who have come from government or politics into the media, including me.

00:11:19.660 And that is a comparison I felt like I had to address.

00:11:22.940 I got into public service for the same reason that many people do, to serve the American people.

00:11:28.020 And there are many others who have followed a similar path, who I have a great deal of respect for.

00:11:33.500 But here's the thing.

00:11:34.980 That kind of experience only matters and only has value to viewers, all of you, if it is paired with honesty and with good faith.

00:11:44.080 Our democracy is in danger because of the lies that people like Ronna McDaniel have pushed on this country.

00:11:50.580 Oh, my God.

00:11:51.660 OMG.

00:11:53.080 And that's the thing she... 0.99

00:11:54.040 I'm just going to show you the Dora clip because you weren't here.

00:11:56.980 Here it is.

00:11:57.300 To dance the kitty cat dance, we need to scratch our kitty paws, stomp our feet, and wag our kitty tails. 0.98

00:12:06.900 Here we got the mermaid freak. 0.99

00:12:09.120 Yay! 0.99

00:12:12.400 Same person.

00:12:15.900 That's a perfect comparison.

00:12:17.520 Even the voice sounds the same.

00:12:19.880 Right?

00:12:20.320 Are we sure Saki didn't do the voiceover for the other gig that she had on the way there?

00:12:28.000 Do you believe this, Mug?

00:12:30.060 I'm here to serve the American people.

00:12:32.400 It only matters if it's paired with honesty and good faith and not lies.

00:12:38.260 That's the thing is cloaking all of that bad faith under protecting democracy and saying any facts that are inconvenient to you or misinformation.

00:12:49.280 Her books have been lying for the Bidens, not lessons from the White House.

00:12:52.560 Because she ran the same playbook when Joe was running the first time.

00:12:56.420 They lied about Hunter's laptop.

00:12:57.980 This is their game plan during election season is they have to try to make everyone trick them again into believing that,

00:13:03.980 Oh, Joe Biden, he's nice Uncle Joe.

00:13:06.100 He's a nice guy.

00:13:06.860 He's not the callous monster who sits and looks at his watch when the soldiers who were killed because of him are being brought back to the country.

00:13:14.960 I mean, that's unbelievable to do that as a president.

00:13:19.160 And to send out a spokesperson.

00:13:22.300 She's still his spokesperson.

00:13:23.500 Now she just gets to do it on MSNBC. 1.00

00:13:25.900 To send out your spokesperson and try to lie to the American people again and say that didn't happen. 0.98

00:13:29.940 Don't trust your lying eyes. 1.00

00:13:31.120 It's disgusting. 1.00

00:13:31.960 It is disgusting. 0.98

00:13:32.500 And then when caught to just say misinformation, his critics, you know, and then and now and now when caught red handed on those lies to say,

00:13:41.300 Oh, this small detail of exactly what the timing was will be corrected on the.

00:13:47.020 No, that goes to the very heart of the matter that depending on when the timing was, there's either a huge controversy or there's absolutely nothing.

00:13:57.520 You changing the time of when he looked at that watch changes the story into a nothing falsely.

00:14:05.120 That's why this gold star dad was so pissed off the timing of it in the in the thought we played. 0.99

00:14:11.220 That's why the six families are speaking in the New York Post immediately saying this is bullshit. 0.99

00:14:16.320 This is whitewashing. 0.99

00:14:17.320 She she knows very well.

00:14:19.540 This isn't some minor edit of like, oh, gee, I said 915 when I really meant 920.

00:14:24.540 She completely changed the facts.

00:14:27.580 And by the way, guys, as I mentioned, she was on The View.

00:14:31.360 Was it last week?

00:14:34.160 Ripping Kristi Noem on her book controversy.

00:14:38.760 Watch this last week.

00:14:39.660 I've also never worked for somebody who's lied about a foreign leader they've met with.

00:14:45.220 And Alyssa made this point.

00:14:46.320 This is so true.

00:14:47.660 Meeting with Kim Jong-un.

00:14:49.420 There are a handful of people who have ever done this.

00:14:52.500 It's very knowable.

00:14:53.920 I just wrote a book.

00:14:55.040 You read the book a thousand times.

00:14:56.880 So many times.

00:14:57.500 You read it out loud.

00:14:58.820 When you're doing the audio book, you think, oh, I need you need a comma there.

00:15:02.740 That weird word is strange.

00:15:03.980 When she said, and I met with Kim Jong-un, did she think to herself, I didn't meet with

00:15:08.440 Kim Jong-un.

00:15:12.380 When you read the audio book, you think about it a thousand times.

00:15:16.080 Oh, that's that was my takeaway.

00:15:18.300 You need a comma there. 1.00

00:15:20.760 She's a liar. 0.99

00:15:23.560 The president looked at his watch only after the ceremony had ended. 1.00

00:15:27.580 This is a huge story.

00:15:29.660 It was a huge story.

00:15:30.300 Got coverage everywhere.

00:15:31.100 She knows damn well that this matters.

00:15:33.980 And either she didn't understand it at the time it actually happened and didn't bother

00:15:37.740 to do any fact checking before she put this lie in her book, understanding that it could

00:15:41.840 anger Gold Star families or she lied throughout my monies on the ladder. 0.99

00:15:47.500 I think she's a liar.

00:15:48.480 By the way, no comment yet from MSNBC either, which they should do. 0.93

00:15:52.320 They need to also make a comment saying we regret her error.

00:15:55.640 She's going to make a make it right.

00:15:57.420 And we're sorry.

00:15:58.660 And then maybe put her on the air.

00:15:59.740 But that's the same network that's employing Joy Reid, who lied to us about the FBI. 0.94

00:16:04.640 Investigating who hacked her blog after mysteriously, when she was the only one ever posting on

00:16:08.340 it, all these homophobic comments appeared on it.

00:16:10.940 But that's a federal crime lying to the FBI. 0.99

00:16:13.780 Does she actually tell that shit to the FBI because she should be in jail, if that's true? 0.99

00:16:19.040 Well, you know, it's a funny thing. 1.00

00:16:20.480 It's not an isolated incident.

00:16:21.920 Obviously, we saw all of the lies that she had as as press secretary, like the one that 0.95

00:16:25.680 I remember the most.

00:16:27.000 Do you remember early on in the Biden administration when they had the border security, the border

00:16:30.920 patrol on the horse?

00:16:32.220 Yes, that was awful.

00:16:33.480 And there was this left wing outfit that said that this border patrol agent was whipping

00:16:37.760 people.

00:16:38.680 Yeah.

00:16:38.860 And immediately the press office in the Biden administration jumps to it, takes this absolutely

00:16:43.440 hook, line and sinker, and they eliminate all kinds of things.

00:16:46.040 They demonize the border patrol.

00:16:47.940 They keep with the lie.

00:16:49.840 And then it turns out, you know, you find out a week later, none of that is true.

00:16:53.660 It was it was literally the reins on a horse, like as anyone who's ever ridden a horse can

00:17:01.160 attest.

00:17:01.780 But they didn't walk any of that back.

00:17:03.700 And the damage was done.

00:17:04.800 And the impressions amongst the Biden base voters only further deteriorated for border

00:17:11.200 security personnel.

00:17:12.240 I mean, it's it's not just the gold star father.

00:17:16.180 It's anyone who gets in their way.

00:17:18.520 And I think you said it best, Ashbrook, remorseless is the key.

00:17:21.740 Yeah, anybody who speaks for a living is going to make an a error along the way.

00:17:26.700 The question is whether you feel bad about it and you correct the record after the fact.

00:17:31.060 We've all had to do that in some form or fashion.

00:17:33.020 They don't and own it.

00:17:34.720 And they don't.

00:17:35.260 She doesn't doesn't even occur to her that that's a responsibility.

00:17:40.000 She can't apologize to the gold star families because this was intentional and she knows 1.00

00:17:44.040 it if there's no way of saying this was an innocent mistake.

00:17:47.240 This was a huge deal.

00:17:48.520 She understands very well as the press secretary at the time.

00:17:51.180 What she was doing.

00:17:52.880 She knew perfectly well and she decided to take the hit because she's running cover for 0.96

00:17:57.600 him.

00:17:58.060 She wants abortion on demand more than she wants an honest relationship with her listeners, 0.79

00:18:03.360 readers, viewers.

00:18:04.440 And that's very obvious.

00:18:06.300 I wasn't going to get to this story until later, but I'm going to bring it up now because

00:18:08.880 we're talking about what a swell guy Joe Biden is.

00:18:11.340 So, so swell and how the media runs cover for him.

00:18:14.180 Now, do you guys remember not only in their campaign of 16, but during Trump's presidency,

00:18:19.600 how many news stories there were about Trump and his weird obsession with his daughter,

00:18:27.200 Ivanka?

00:18:28.040 He's like, got the hots for his daughter.

00:18:30.620 Look how he touched her waist at the Republican National Convention in 16. 0.70

00:18:35.160 Remember?

00:18:35.700 Didn't you read a bunch of this stuff?

00:18:37.560 Oh, yeah.

00:18:38.040 OK.

00:18:38.240 The media love this story.

00:18:40.740 Like he's he's creepy. 0.97

00:18:42.100 He's a perv. 0.96

00:18:43.140 There's something between him and the daughter. 0.84

00:18:45.360 How many stories have you read about Joe Biden and his daughter?

00:18:50.660 Approximately none.

00:18:51.880 Because the media has run full cover for Joe Biden on what was in the contents of his

00:18:58.020 daughter, Ashley's diary.

00:18:59.240 Now, this diary was stolen by ne'er-do-well and then marketed to people like James O'Keefe,

00:19:06.420 who also now is potentially in trouble with a law, though it's not illegal for a journalist

00:19:10.320 to take stolen goods and publish them.

00:19:12.620 The New York Times did it with Sarah Palin's emails.

00:19:15.400 What's illegal is if the journalist is in on the theft, pays for it, encourages it, that

00:19:20.520 kind of thing.

00:19:21.300 So far, there's no evidence of that that's been made public about James O'Keefe, and he

00:19:25.240 denies having done it.

00:19:26.100 But I go back to the criminal case involving the ne'er-do-well with some woman allegedly

00:19:31.680 potentially involved in drugs or some sort of nefarious behavior in some house where

00:19:36.120 Ashley Biden had been staying, and this person found her diary and then marketed it.

00:19:41.520 And the diary was extremely incendiary.

00:19:46.820 The contents of the diary were extremely incendiary.

00:19:49.580 And there was a period of time where we didn't know whether it was hers.

00:19:51.900 But then as the case went on and the FBI was involved and they indicted, the DOJ indicted

00:19:57.640 the thief and alleged that this was the Biden diary, we covered it here on this show.

00:20:03.820 We did it carefully and we did it responsibly, but we covered it.

00:20:06.760 Just as the media would have way sooner in this course of events had it been an Ivanka Trump 0.87

00:20:12.640 diary that said anything, never mind what was in the Ashley diary.

00:20:16.820 And what we have today is an update to the story, because this defendant is about to be

00:20:24.900 sentenced.

00:20:26.300 And Ashley Biden herself wrote to Judge Laura Taylor Swain on April 8th to say she will not

00:20:34.160 be attending the criminal sentencing for the woman who stole her diary.

00:20:37.500 But she now she has been sentenced, but she wanted to write a letter about why this woman

00:20:45.140 should get jail time.

00:20:46.180 And the judge just unsealed that letter received from Ashley Biden.

00:20:52.100 This was at the request of The New York Times, which really wanted to see what Ashley Biden

00:20:56.160 was saying.

00:20:56.980 Has The New York Times reported about the diary or the letter?

00:21:04.160 No, they haven't.

00:21:05.660 They're not reporting on the contest.

00:21:07.420 So no.

00:21:08.020 So it was it was it was a catch and kill for The New York Times.

00:21:12.320 Apparently, they didn't find it was interesting.

00:21:15.640 OK, she wrote things like, I am deeply saddened that I even have to write this letter because

00:21:19.720 my personal private journal was stolen and sold for profit.

00:21:24.460 And she goes on to say, please throw the book at her.

00:21:27.660 Now, here is what the diary says, among other things, previously reported by the MK show.

00:21:35.660 Uh, this is let's say dated one thirty twenty nineteen.

00:21:41.220 I've always been boy crazy.

00:21:42.920 I remember pulling up my skirt in second grade and showing the boys my underpants hyper sexualized 0.92

00:21:48.160 at a young age, hyper sexualized at a young age.

00:21:51.460 What does this do to was I molested?

00:21:54.960 I think so.

00:21:56.440 I can't remember specifics, but I do remember trauma.

00:21:59.640 I remember not liking the name of some unknown last name house.

00:22:05.920 Their house.

00:22:06.480 I remember somewhat being sexualized with Caroline.

00:22:12.240 We don't know who that is, but there is a first cousin named Caroline to her.

00:22:18.980 I remember having sex with friends at a young age. 0.68

00:22:24.300 Showers with my dad. 0.99

00:22:26.420 Probably not appropriate.

00:22:28.540 Being turned on when I wasn't supposed to be.

00:22:30.800 And then she goes on to call her mother not emotionally available and so on.

00:22:36.880 So here is the daughter of the sitting president saying she thinks she was molested when she was a child.

00:22:43.640 She remembers the trauma, though not the specifics.

00:22:47.020 In searching for said specifics, she mentions inappropriate showers with her father

00:22:53.080 and being turned on when she wasn't supposed to be.

00:22:55.720 I'm sorry, but this is a story by any measure, and it gets a complete blackout from the media

00:23:03.660 because they just want to say, well, stolen.

00:23:06.100 Well, now it's on record, just like the Hunter Biden laptop as belonging to the child of the president,

00:23:12.560 who's a grown adult now, and still they won't report.

00:23:17.640 Still, they will protect him.

00:23:19.460 Yeah, there'd be one thing if there was a standard that was adhered to in any form or fashion, right?

00:23:27.240 I mean, there was a time like in the Walter Cronkite world of journalism where there was some observance

00:23:33.780 of sort of these kind of scandalous details, and the media doesn't get into it because it's not of public record.

00:23:41.020 Well, that's changed entirely, but it's changed only based on your ideology as a politician.

00:23:46.340 I mean, if you are a liberal progressive Democrat, again, back to the Walter Cronkite days.

00:23:53.260 If you are Donald Trump, I mean, can you imagine how fast something like that would find its way to the air?

00:23:59.260 I mean, that's the thing here.

00:24:00.340 We don't have to imagine.

00:24:01.380 Like, I have made the comparison that a prosecutor in New York is going to put a porn star on the stand,

00:24:08.760 have her detail and lurid, you know, detail exactly what happens during her time with the president

00:24:13.440 when that same individual still has to pay $500,000 in defamation to the president.

00:24:18.180 But sure, give them a podium to say all this lurid stuff that the press is going to eat up and report and just gawk over.

00:24:26.180 But this diary gets zero coverage, and it's even more egregious because details from that diary are corroborated

00:24:33.120 in text messages Hunter sent to his sister, discussions that they had that were found on the laptop,

00:24:38.140 which we were also told was misinformation, none of this is true, and the media didn't want to cover.

00:24:42.860 It's a pattern of the media covering for these people, and it's a pattern that this is Joe Biden's behavior.

00:24:48.200 Not only has Ashley's diary said these things, Hunter's text messages to her have said the same thing, too.

00:24:54.920 And yet, where's that story?

00:24:56.580 Why am I still reading about Ivanka Trump?

00:24:59.000 To this day, they're obsessed with Trump.

00:25:02.040 That made its way into the trial, that Trump said, allegedly, to Stormy,

00:25:06.160 you remind me of my daughter, you know, and then cue the he's got some weird obsession with Ivanka.

00:25:11.760 You know what Ivanka didn't do?

00:25:13.620 She didn't write in any document we've seen that she took inappropriate showers with her father 0.96

00:25:20.400 and that there may have been a history of molestation.

00:25:22.740 I mean, this is outrageous, and it's, let's be honest, dovetails perfectly with Joe Biden's

00:25:30.060 public conduct toward young women, and I'm not afraid to say it. 0.99

00:25:33.780 I'm very creeped out by the fact that he seems obsessed with smelling young girls' hair,

00:25:40.460 with getting too familiar with them, with crossing boundaries that no older man,

00:25:46.840 no man should be crossing with young women. 1.00

00:25:49.240 But there's zero appetite to look into it, to report on it, to probe it at all.

00:25:56.400 Meanwhile, we're spending a whole trial on a one-night stand Trump may or may not have had 0.57

00:26:02.640 with a porn star who's in the business of sex. 0.96

00:26:06.480 Right. 0.99

00:26:07.280 Right.

00:26:07.760 Well, it sounds like somebody at the New York Times made the mistake of trying to journalism-ing.

00:26:14.360 Yeah.

00:26:15.180 Right?

00:26:15.580 And it quickly found its way into the higher assignment editor box where people were like,

00:26:21.400 oh, you have this information?

00:26:25.000 Let's not do that.

00:26:27.420 Right?

00:26:28.060 Right.

00:26:28.240 To your point, I mean, what's the difference between that and what we're accusing David

00:26:32.280 Pecker of?

00:26:33.340 Yeah.

00:26:33.640 No, I mean, to me, if they were the ones who put in the request for the information and

00:26:38.460 then they were going to sit on it and not do anything with it, that sounds like catch and

00:26:42.880 kill. 0.64

00:26:43.820 Like, how is that not catch and kill? 1.00

00:26:46.980 I think somebody should ask them.

00:26:48.660 If I were a media reporter, I would call them and ask them for a comment.

00:26:51.200 And the lead of the story would say the New York Times is engaged in a controversial catch

00:26:54.700 and kill strategy that they will not comment on.

00:27:01.420 I mean, really, don't you think?

00:27:02.880 Just to correct the record, the reason Stormy owes Trump $500,000 is because the Ninth Circuit

00:27:11.200 U.S. Court of Appeals sided with Trump in his effort to recoup additional legal fees from

00:27:17.360 Stormy Daniels, who had filed and lost a defamation case against him.

00:27:22.260 So you're correct.

00:27:23.220 She was ordered to pay Trump's attorneys over $120,000 of legal fees, which is on top of

00:27:27.580 the more than $500,000 in court-ordered payments to Trump attorneys she'd been ordered to pay.

00:27:33.120 So in any event, she lost and she lost big and she was supposed to pay legal fees and 0.90

00:27:36.680 she didn't do it.

00:27:37.340 So either way, it was a defamation case and she was ordered to pay hundreds of thousands

00:27:40.780 of legal fees, which she didn't do. 0.96

00:27:42.020 And she told this jury this week she'd rather go to jail than live up to her court-imposed

00:27:48.720 obligations, which ought to tell them a lot.

00:27:51.580 Speaking of the Trump trial, you guys.

00:27:54.040 Can I pause you just for one minute?

00:27:57.780 Yeah.

00:27:58.000 That was a regrettable night.

00:28:01.980 You know, you think about all the interactions that people have on a day-to-day basis.

00:28:07.060 I think that goes down as one of the worst.

00:28:09.260 I mean, don't invite Stormy over.

00:28:13.000 The thing for me is I really commend President Trump that he has the self-control that if

00:28:19.740 it actually did happen, that he has not dropped a tweet being like, I'm the guy porn stars pay

00:28:25.480 half a million.

00:28:29.640 Because like, how does he keep himself from doing that if it happened?

00:28:36.500 Legal counsel, I imagine.

00:28:37.940 He's focused on calling her a force phase.

00:28:41.180 I'm not sure we can call it restrained.

00:28:43.740 But you know what?

00:28:44.200 I was saying this yesterday.

00:28:45.040 I'm not even sure it even happened, guys.

00:28:46.560 I started this trial 100% being like, okay, obviously he did the night.

00:28:51.440 But I don't believe he knew anything about how it was documented in the books, etc.

00:28:56.480 I really have doubts now.

00:28:57.900 Now that she's tried to change it into a whole Me Too situation where she allegedly felt threatened.

00:29:02.860 Well, she didn't feel threatened, but she didn't feel like she could leave.

00:29:05.720 Then she did feel a little threatened by the fact that the bodyguard was outside the door

00:29:08.980 and she didn't know if she could get out.

00:29:10.460 Why?

00:29:10.640 Because Trump was sitting on a bed between her exiting the bathroom and the door, which

00:29:15.020 is just called a hotel room.

00:29:16.520 That's how everybody leaves a hotel room.

00:29:18.740 You have to walk past the bed and walk out the front door.

00:29:21.080 I started to disbelieve everything she said.

00:29:23.140 I just don't know what to believe anymore.

00:29:25.200 And I certainly wouldn't be ready to rule as a matter of law or reasonable doubt that

00:29:30.560 she actually had an affair with the guy, that they actually did anything.

00:29:32.860 But I will say I'd love to hear from the bodyguard.

00:29:35.360 His bodyguard, Keith, I've met that guy.

00:29:38.000 Where's he?

00:29:39.000 Like somebody talked to him and he either said something that was very good for one side

00:29:43.400 or very bad for one side, but it doesn't appear anyone has subpoenaed him.

00:29:47.120 So maybe he'll still show up somehow, but wouldn't you love to hear what he saw that night?

00:29:52.320 He was getting the steak and the Diet Coke, Megan.

00:29:54.860 You can't put anything on poor old Keith.

00:29:56.820 He's at the wrong place at the wrong time.

00:30:00.040 It is remarkable, though.

00:30:01.820 You said it at the top of the show, Megan, that this is a business records case.

00:30:07.660 And now it's become this circus where Stormy Daniels, a porn star, is testifying to whether

00:30:13.340 she felt safe or unsafe when she went to the hotel room of Donald Trump after a charity

00:30:17.660 golf event, like acting like she was like trafficked there. 1.00

00:30:21.580 I mean, come on.

00:30:22.660 Who was a weird guy on MSNBC who was like, she looked like a nice mother with her hair

00:30:27.280 up?

00:30:27.560 Yeah.

00:30:27.860 What is this guy talking about?

00:30:29.660 And not to mention the fact, like, I mean, her own lawyer is now in prison and says that

00:30:36.980 she shouldn't be that he would be willing to testify for Donald Trump.

00:30:40.980 I mean, what a circus.

00:30:43.380 We can't go by that. 0.95

00:30:44.540 Michael Avenatti might be an even bigger liar than Michael Cohen.

00:30:47.620 I mean, it's tough. 0.52

00:30:48.760 It's possible. 0.99

00:30:50.180 He's the loser who accused Justice Kavanaugh of gang rape. 0.99

00:30:53.880 OK, he is not to be believed. 1.00

00:30:57.460 He's a serial liar. 0.93

00:30:59.560 But it's amazing, the cast of characters. 0.56

00:31:01.400 This is why I said I sent out a tweet on this the other day, like, not for nothing, but

00:31:04.820 like, don't lie down with dogs.

00:31:07.400 Right.

00:31:07.740 You know what happens.

00:31:08.920 Fair point.

00:31:09.780 A very good lesson for everyone.

00:31:13.000 Don't.

00:31:13.620 I mean, if you're ever on the road, you guys are young, strapping men.

00:31:16.480 Don't don't invite a Stormy Daniels back to your hotel. 0.94

00:31:18.860 Just don't say no.

00:31:20.420 I got to tell you, we can end right here.

00:31:22.280 Megan Kelly just called us young and strapping.

00:31:25.480 That's all I came for, Megan.

00:31:27.540 That's the only thing I'd hope for when we started doing this show a couple of years

00:31:30.860 ago.

00:31:31.140 So we're good.

00:31:31.900 We're good.

00:31:32.580 It's funny.

00:31:33.580 I'll tell you something funny.

00:31:34.960 There was something I can't remember what we were doing, but I was on the road.

00:31:38.020 Chris Stierwald was there.

00:31:39.200 It might've been a debate.

00:31:39.980 I can't remember, but he was our, you know, election guru at Fox and he was on the decision

00:31:44.760 desk.

00:31:45.060 And he and I had to talk about something that had happened that night.

00:31:47.620 So I'm like, why don't you just come back to my room and we'll continue the conversation

00:31:50.780 because it needed to be in private.

00:31:51.780 So he came into my room.

00:31:54.180 Can I tell you, Chris Stierwald sat like by the door.

00:31:58.840 He's so buttoned up.

00:31:59.940 He's so sweet.

00:32:00.940 And I was over here.

00:32:02.260 I'm like, so what did you think about this?

00:32:04.700 He was like sweating.

00:32:06.940 He was like, I do not want this coming back to haunt me.

00:32:11.020 We're good.

00:32:11.480 Stierwald.

00:32:11.980 I would never, but it was like, that's what an appropriate person does.

00:32:15.820 Right.

00:32:16.020 Most generally, you know, people feel a little uncomfortable in the hotel room of somebody

00:32:21.280 they don't really know that well.

00:32:23.460 That wasn't Stormy's reaction.

00:32:25.200 Who's she kidding?

00:32:26.740 I think she's got a level of comfort with all of that.

00:32:30.280 That would be honestly makes me blush a little.

00:32:34.360 She's good.

00:32:35.420 All right.

00:32:35.840 I'm going to squeeze in a quick break and then we come back.

00:32:37.760 We're going to talk about Trump and the insane stuff happening over on CNN.

00:32:42.120 Oh my God.

00:32:42.980 You can't make it up.

00:32:44.260 But, but they did.

00:32:44.960 They did stand by pals from ruthless.

00:32:47.580 Stay with us for the show.

00:32:52.500 It's really gotten absolutely absurd in the coverage of the Trump trial.

00:32:56.780 The Trump trial itself is absurd. 1.00

00:32:58.640 Michael Cohen noted liar, convicted liar. 0.99

00:33:01.100 I mean, it's just, okay. 0.92

00:33:02.660 We're supposed to believe now he's mother Teresa here or in the case of Rachel Maddow,

00:33:07.540 another very famous figure.

00:33:10.280 Take a listen.

00:33:11.160 It's not too.

00:33:11.500 Today's proceedings, um, unexpectedly to me, were like that helpful moment in the old Agatha Christie

00:33:20.880 style British detective story, right?

00:33:23.000 You've been following along more or less, you know, who most of the characters are.

00:33:27.240 You can at least remember most of their names, you know, the basic plot of this mystery.

00:33:33.160 But then there is this kindness, this great helpful moment in the story.

00:33:38.780 That was Michael Agatha Christie Cohen today.

00:33:42.700 Oh my God.

00:33:43.240 Oh my God.

00:33:45.160 I mean, come on, lady. 0.87

00:33:48.160 Get out of town.

00:33:49.900 What does she think she's doing? 0.96

00:33:52.740 Agatha Christie.

00:33:54.780 Come on.

00:33:56.820 He's not at all.

00:33:58.880 It's bad enough.

00:33:59.780 She stole my haircut 20 years ago. 1.00

00:34:02.980 She's calling Michael Cohen Agatha Christie.

00:34:06.440 Your makeup routine too.

00:34:10.200 Also, what a like boomer nerd.

00:34:12.320 Right.

00:34:12.800 Right.

00:34:13.020 She's like, remember those Agatha Christie?

00:34:15.540 Oh yeah.

00:34:16.180 With the silent films.

00:34:17.260 Yeah.

00:34:17.480 I got it.

00:34:17.920 Just the tip of the tongue.

00:34:19.180 I'm glad we pulled that back.

00:34:21.580 Holy cats.

00:34:23.280 Okay.

00:34:23.800 Boomer.

00:34:25.380 So yeah.

00:34:26.100 It's sort of a symptom.

00:34:26.960 Michael Cohen is rehabilitated.

00:34:28.320 Yeah.

00:34:30.460 It's, it's a symptom of this problem.

00:34:32.260 The media finds themselves in where they're covering the Trump trial, like the Superbowl.

00:34:37.520 I don't know if you've perused the channels at night, you know, when you're watching like

00:34:40.820 playoff hockey or whatever, but every night they're out there full panel on CNN and MSNBC,

00:34:46.860 like it's election night.

00:34:48.220 And so they've got these panels of like six people, seven people, four lawyers, you know,

00:34:54.020 they got a whole courtroom themselves there on national television every night.

00:34:57.440 And so they got to fill so much air, you know?

00:35:00.240 And so you get stuff like this as a result of that.

00:35:03.080 I think what I find it's worse than, you know, it's worse than you got more.

00:35:07.260 They've gone from just the panel of lawyers and political pundits to actual reenactments.

00:35:14.140 And I apologize in advance because I love both of these lawyers.

00:35:18.180 I deeply love Joey Jackson and I love Mercedes Colvin too.

00:35:21.060 Long time Kelly's court favorites back in the day, but this was deeply wrong.

00:35:25.500 Watch.

00:35:26.720 Did he say anything to you at that time about how this might be viewed if it got out?

00:35:31.760 Yes.

00:35:32.120 What did he say in substance?

00:35:34.660 He said to me, this is a disaster, total disaster.

00:35:38.500 Women are going to hate me because this is really a disaster. 1.00

00:35:42.080 Women will hate me. 1.00

00:35:43.420 Guys may think it's cool, but this is going to be a disaster for the campaign.

00:35:48.160 What, if anything, did you understand about withdrawn?

00:35:51.360 Why did you understand?

00:35:53.380 What did you understand him to mean by women will hate this and what his concern was?

00:35:58.400 Objection.

00:35:58.800 Oh my God.

00:35:59.340 So at the time, Mr. Trump was polling very, very low with women and-

00:36:07.260 You said very well?

00:36:09.320 No, very poorly.

00:36:10.420 I'm sorry.

00:36:11.600 It's all right.

00:36:12.300 I couldn't hear.

00:36:13.560 He was polling very poorly with women and this, coupled with the previous Access Hollywood

00:36:18.380 tape, he just stated this is a disaster and get control of it.

00:36:25.200 Oh my God.

00:36:26.640 That's just so weird.

00:36:27.880 How are they doing this with a straight face?

00:36:29.500 I don't know.

00:36:30.480 That's sad.

00:36:31.000 It's great satire.

00:36:32.060 It's great satire, but this is like a serious thing for them.

00:36:35.260 And like, it's not just these two people being weird reading each other.

00:36:39.240 They also have like voice actors in the back who shout like, objection.

00:36:42.040 Yeah.

00:36:42.300 It's like a bad Lifetime movie.

00:36:44.460 It's the weirdest thing ever.

00:36:46.800 I'm furious we didn't think of this first.

00:36:48.800 We're losing our touch, fellas. 0.99

00:36:52.680 We could kill this. 1.00

00:36:53.740 We could kill this. 1.00

00:36:55.620 You know, you can still reenact the stormy testimony. 0.97

00:36:57.820 I mean, I think people would still listen to some of that.

00:36:59.420 That's available to you.

00:37:01.740 That could be gold.

00:37:02.640 You know, let's give that some thought.

00:37:05.020 There's no way we can get Hollywood Hand to do the stormy portion of it.

00:37:08.860 So we'd have to think about that.

00:37:10.460 But yeah.

00:37:11.400 No condom.

00:37:12.980 Where could we?

00:37:14.060 Yeah.

00:37:14.620 Fellas, Megan, you can do it.

00:37:16.820 No, thank you.

00:37:18.520 I did a porn reenactment right here on this set one day.

00:37:22.940 And it was just over the way the media.

00:37:25.560 Thumbs down.

00:37:26.680 You know how your video does.

00:37:28.640 Thumbs down on my porn reenactment.

00:37:34.300 I did it because the way the media was writing up Trump's reactions

00:37:40.060 during voir dire, never mind the actual porn star and the way they reacted 0.53

00:37:46.140 when she took the stand to talk about condomless sex and the positions

00:37:50.020 they were in and how long it lasted.

00:37:52.660 I mean, it was like, this is this is like their Super Bowl.

00:37:55.440 The reenactment.

00:37:56.940 Shame on you, CNN.

00:37:58.080 Shame on you for putting two great lawyers in that terrible position.

00:38:02.300 I'm really glad you had specificity to that, Megan.

00:38:05.160 I thought this was going in a very different direction,

00:38:07.340 like a confessional or something.

00:38:08.580 So I appreciate the additional context.

00:38:13.260 I mean, Holmes, you got to tune into the MK show more.

00:38:15.720 You would have seen the whole thing.

00:38:18.560 OK, here is the full panoply of attorneys, experts, et cetera.

00:38:25.000 We pulled it so you could hear Stormy's attorney, current attorney.

00:38:29.000 I think two of the past ones are either in jail or I don't know what happened to them.

00:38:32.300 One one's in jail.

00:38:34.000 One took the stand and was obviously pretty scummy.

00:38:37.480 Sorry, that's my opinion, sir.

00:38:39.080 And here's the most recent one.

00:38:40.700 Clark Brewster on set discussing her testimony.

00:38:44.720 The prosecution team is outstanding.

00:38:46.440 We spent a lot of time with them.

00:38:48.120 Very careful dealing with the facts and circumstances and the corroboration of her testimony.

00:38:53.080 What did she say about what it was like to be in the room with him?

00:38:55.620 You know, she was pretty nonplussed by him.

00:38:57.640 She heard him cursing in the courtroom?

00:38:59.180 I don't know if she heard him cursing, but she heard him responding audibly.

00:39:03.140 But I don't think that impacted her at all.

00:39:06.540 They were clearly trying to make her feel shamed in some way by her profession.

00:39:12.280 Were there moments that she had been prepared that they would attack her in that way?

00:39:16.500 I think Stormy was Stormy on the stand.

00:39:19.280 And she's genuine.

00:39:21.060 She's very bright.

00:39:22.440 She's quick-witted. 0.99

00:39:24.000 And I think she came across as genuine and open and exposed as she intended to be.

00:39:31.460 And I think the jury saw that.

00:39:35.480 She was exposed all right.

00:39:37.620 There was a lot of exposure, way more than I was interested in.

00:39:41.020 And I can kind of, Clark Brewster is his cat's name.

00:39:44.460 Can't you see like, you know, they get those low-rent attorney commercials that you get like later on at night where they're like, call 1-800.

00:39:52.600 Have you been injured at work?

00:39:54.920 I don't get paid unless you win.

00:39:57.680 Yeah, totally.

00:39:59.340 I mean, that would be something.

00:40:00.280 Stormy calling.

00:40:00.840 She's like, I was injured at work.

00:40:05.580 No, but it's like marketed towards the porn industry.

00:40:09.260 You know, I mean, that seems like, how do you find a guy like that and be like, hey, I got a great idea.

00:40:14.800 Here's this world-renowned porn actress is making unsubstantiated allegations. 0.99

00:40:18.780 You want to be her attorney?

00:40:19.920 Yep.

00:40:20.280 That sounds great.

00:40:21.160 Let me get fully involved in my firm with that.

00:40:23.740 And then CNN has a 12 people at a desk.

00:40:25.700 He's like, I'm going to get on CNN because they have 18-person panels.

00:40:30.380 I mean, they'll have me.

00:40:31.660 Why not me?

00:40:33.240 And we shouldn't pretend here.

00:40:34.860 And I'm sure they'll pretend that on CNN and her lawyer will do the dirty work on all of that. 0.94

00:40:39.200 But like, pretend like she's some sort of angel in this whole thing.

00:40:42.720 I mean, there's testimony in there, the text message between her and the lawyer and all the stuff about how she will lose all the leverage if Trump loses the election.

00:40:54.080 And so we need to get this deal done so she can get paid. 1.00

00:40:58.120 So like, come on.

00:40:59.380 I mean, they want to turn her into this hero of the Me Too movement.

00:41:02.720 This was a leverage play against the guy who was running for president.

00:41:06.340 Totally.

00:41:06.560 That's what it was.

00:41:07.500 Yep.

00:41:07.820 I mean, that's extortion.

00:41:08.780 Those text messages, just extortion.

00:41:10.420 The person should be on trial of the story.

00:41:12.720 That's exactly right.

00:41:13.700 Dersh was making this point on his show the other day.

00:41:15.360 He was saying if that negotiation was not to settle a legal dispute, if that wasn't money to settle a legal dispute, then it was extortion.

00:41:22.980 Then she's guilty of extortion because you can't shake somebody down for $130,000 lawfully unless you actually are saying, I'm going to go file a lawsuit. 1.00

00:41:31.600 And, you know, if that's what this was, she has more to answer for.

00:41:35.760 But now they're also trying to whitewash Cohen, who's got, I mean, at least Dormy's just got sort of a seedy past in this porn industry. 0.85

00:41:43.620 Cohen's got a seedy past and present and has been to jail and is a, you know, an obvious liar and an admitted liar under oath.

00:41:51.520 And yet I'll give you a little hint of how they're covering Michael Cohen.

00:41:58.200 Here's here's a montage.

00:41:59.860 Let's start with that for.

00:42:00.580 Let's see how Michael Cohen performs today.

00:42:05.260 I will say yesterday was the most humble I've ever seen Michael Cohen and I was pleasantly surprised to see him accept so much responsibility.

00:42:13.720 I think that he has done a lot in terms of advancing the case.

00:42:18.420 And I think if he maintains his cool and his demeanor that we saw yesterday, I think, and he owns what he did, I think he's going to do just fine.

00:42:28.480 There isn't to think anything negative about Michael Cohen.

00:42:31.740 His demeanor has been flawless.

00:42:33.680 There have been days where defendant Trump looked unseemly, certainly did not look relatable, looked untrustworthy.

00:42:39.440 I thought today, Michael Cohen and the way they did this testimony, this is the day that Donald Trump looked most like a criminal.

00:42:48.100 Oh, let me just put a little cherry on top of that sundae with a longer Lawrence O'Donnell.

00:42:53.700 Watch.

00:42:53.860 Michael Cohen has at times been a horrible person.

00:42:58.980 But the jury also discovered today that he is the son of a Holocaust survivor, a Holocaust survivor who made it to this country and fulfilled his dream of living a better life here.

00:43:12.020 The jury discovered that Michael Cohen is devoted to his wife, his son and his daughter.

00:43:17.960 And that Michael Cohen now lives a life full of regrets.

00:43:23.860 Oh, okay.

00:43:26.120 Yeah.

00:43:27.360 Son of a Holocaust survivor.

00:43:29.040 That's pretty much what you mean now.

00:43:31.480 Very, very.

00:43:32.240 Basically, he's Elie Wiesel.

00:43:33.720 He's Elie Wiesel.

00:43:35.780 He's Elie Wiesel.

00:43:37.620 He's giving the Nobel Prize, right?

00:43:39.260 And I get the Christie all at once.

00:43:41.080 At the same time.

00:43:42.460 Greatest guy on the planet.

00:43:43.800 It's just so melodramatic.

00:43:45.680 It is.

00:43:46.500 It brings Mahaband Gandhi his thoughts.

00:43:48.960 I mean, here's the thing is, there are people, fewer and fewer each day, who watch this.

00:43:55.880 And, like, they probably have a case to sue MSNBC for brain damage.

00:44:00.120 Like, 30 seconds of this, I'm, like, recoiling in, like, how would some – like, this is enhanced interrogation.

00:44:05.840 And I'm going to watch first, like, a dramatic reading of it, and then everyone's saying, oh, you know the guy who's been, like, admitted liar and convicted of lying?

00:44:13.580 He's actually a swell guy.

00:44:14.900 You know, son of a Holocaust survivor.

00:44:16.660 Like, what are you trying to sell me?

00:44:17.860 Don't forget that.

00:44:18.260 Don't forget that.

00:44:19.620 Well, the thing that I find so amusing is you remember back in 2016 when the Trump campaign was a little thin on surrogates?

00:44:26.140 They didn't have a whole – it was, like, you know, not great.

00:44:29.760 And so every once in a while, they would roll Cohen out to do, like, the cable shows, and he would just – every time he went out, there would be, like, three straight days of mocking him because he's, like, so not credible.

00:44:41.100 And I remember as a Republican thinking at the time, like, we're all kind of hitched to this wagon and be like, well, I can't argue with that. 0.97

00:44:45.940 I mean, this guy is ridiculous. 0.98

00:44:48.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:44:48.500 He's just, like, not a believable – he was, like, a caricature of some troglodyte, you know?

00:44:54.060 And then all of a sudden, now you fast forward.

00:44:56.280 He's playing for the other team, and he's Agatha Christie.

00:44:58.560 Yeah, right, yeah.

00:44:59.760 It's just – it's like whiplash.

00:45:02.580 He's very – he's holocausty. 0.99

00:45:04.560 Okay.

00:45:05.280 And here's the reason why.

00:45:07.460 Okay, they need him.

00:45:08.740 The case rises – unlike Stormy, who really was irrelevant, the case rises or falls on Michael Cohen's testimony.

00:45:15.900 And we had said to the audience yesterday, unless they get him to say that Trump knew about the way these payments that were made to Stormy Daniels

00:45:55.340 in the book at Trump Tower.

00:45:56.340 And they did get that late yesterday from Michael Cohen.

00:46:00.940 The New York Times reporting as follows.

00:46:02.980 When Cohen was describing a January meeting with – this is 17 – with Alan Weisselberg, his CFO, he testified, Cohen did, that Trump heard Weisselberg say that the monthly payments would be a retainer for legal services.

00:46:18.480 And then the Times is – I think it's Jonah Bromwich says,

00:46:21.700 It is that single line from a witness, the word yes, that most directly attaches Trump to the alleged crimes.

00:46:26.840 Prosecutors are arguing that Trump's sign-off on the repayment plan, along with his knowledge that Cohen would be falsely reimbursed for, quote, legal services, indicates that he approved of what they say was a crime.

00:46:38.680 Because they say no legal services were rendered from 2017 January forward.

00:46:43.900 Once he became president, this was actually a reimbursement for the Stormy Hush money and that Trump say – that Trump hearing Weisselberg say the monthly payments would be a retainer for legal services shows he knew it was false and was part of a willfully fraudulent scheme.

00:47:04.340 Follow that?

00:47:05.200 No one does.

00:47:05.920 Well, they're also whistling past the graveyard on all of it because it's not actually the crime, what you've just documented, that they're charging him with.

00:47:14.820 It's that conspiracy that you just discussed in the underlying crime of a federal crime that was never brought.

00:47:23.920 Yep.

00:47:24.200 Right?

00:47:24.440 I mean, if you really want to unwind the insanity of it all, the hinge for the felony counts against Donald Trump are abetting a crime that prosecutors refuse to bring in front of a courtroom,

00:47:35.340 much less a grand jury.

00:47:37.740 And they never got an indictment.

00:47:38.980 They never even pursued one.

00:47:40.860 You got it.

00:47:42.000 All right.

00:47:42.480 There's much, much more to discuss on Trump and the media.

00:47:45.200 We're going to take a little deep dive into the past cozy relationship between CNN and Michael Cohen,

00:47:50.400 which also adds some color as to what you're seeing now with the 17-person panels and the reenactments,

00:47:57.000 and they're all in for a reason.

00:47:59.600 Ruthless stays with me.

00:48:01.060 So, guys, it is not anything new to see CNN running cover for Michael Cohen.

00:48:10.340 They actually have a history of doing this, as unearthed by Tucker Carlson back in 2022 when he ran tape of the Cohen tapes.

00:48:22.820 They were Cohen taping himself, speaking to Jeff Zucker, who was running CNN at the time, and Chris Cuomo, who was their star anchor at the time.

00:48:34.040 And the reason I'm running this now is to show you that it's just another example of how these media companies that claim they are holier than thou, they're above it all.

00:48:43.100 They would never do any of the dirty tactics that you see from places like the National Enquirer.

00:48:47.240 They wouldn't pay for a story.

00:48:48.880 They wouldn't work with a source, et cetera, to pregame testimony.

00:48:52.460 Well, here is Jeff Zucker on the phone with Michael Cohen the day of a CNN presidential debate, the Republican debate.

00:49:06.160 So there were going to be Trump and many other Republicans up on that stage that night.

00:49:10.120 And CNN was hosting, listen.

00:49:14.760 As fond as I am of the boss, he also has a tendency, like, you know, if I call him or I email him, he then is capable of going out in his next rally and saying that we just talked.

00:49:27.540 And I can't have that, if you know what I'm saying.

00:49:29.480 I have all these proposals for him, like, I want to do a weekly, you know, I want to do a weekly show with him and all this stuff.

00:49:36.760 So, you know what, you know what you should do is, whoever's around him today should just be calling him a con man all day so that he's used to it.

00:49:43.500 So that when he hears it from Rubio, it doesn't matter.

00:49:47.420 Hmm. 0.97

00:49:48.640 Hey, con man, hey, con man, hey, con man, hey, con man, hey, con man. 1.00

00:49:51.980 Yeah, you want to get slapped in the head? 1.00

00:49:55.760 He thinks that's his name, you know? 0.94

00:49:57.820 Oh, that's that high-minded, like, political insight that we get from Zucker.

00:50:04.680 Boy, I don't know how he didn't make it as an operative.

00:50:07.260 Right?

00:50:09.120 It's amazing, like, the day of the debate to be talking to one of the candidates' main rep like that.

00:50:15.580 Like, here's how he should handle Rubio.

00:50:17.540 Get him ready.

00:50:18.220 Do the following.

00:50:19.020 Work like this.

00:50:20.020 Oh, and by the way, I want him to have a weekly show on CNN.

00:50:22.980 Again, this is one—Trump had not yet secured the nomination at this point.

00:50:28.460 It had to be from the 16—it was 2020 that it aired.

00:50:32.760 It had to be from the 16 race because he was doing a Republican debate at the time.

00:50:37.580 And obviously, he didn't do that when he was the sitting president.

00:50:40.000 But in any event, pretty extraordinary there.

00:50:42.280 And I would be remiss if I didn't play for you the Cuomo piece of it, where Cuomo 2 is prepping Michael Cohen for what we believe was an interview with Cuomo.

00:50:53.760 Listen.

00:50:54.120 I'm going to ask you for your advice on how to handle the interview that I'm doing first with you.

00:51:03.380 Erin Burnett wants me to do hers first.

00:51:06.960 So she goes, yeah, but it's better if I do it with a woman as opposed to with you. 1.00

00:51:12.740 And why didn't you just let it all come out and let the people decide?

00:51:18.340 Because it's not a fair process.

00:51:19.780 They wouldn't have had any of the counterfacts, and they would have had her, you know, if she was somehow convinced to do it,

00:51:25.500 and people decided to believe that her denials were somehow less true than her admissions.

00:51:32.340 I didn't want to play that game.

00:51:33.700 Everything was tilted against Mr. Trump.

00:51:36.320 There he gives them the answer.

00:51:37.220 That's what it is. 0.99

00:51:37.660 And then either they'll believe it or they'll be like, f*** that. 0.98

00:51:39.360 There's no way he didn't know. 0.99

00:51:40.640 I said, look, shady.

00:51:41.720 Yeah, we'll get fine.

00:51:42.900 Look, you know, it's a shady business.

00:51:44.680 I didn't like that I had to—

00:51:45.460 Politics is a shady business. 0.99

00:51:46.340 Right, I didn't like that I had to pay her to keep her quiet just in case she decided to f*** her. 1.00

00:51:49.780 F***ing lie against somebody who's paying her. 1.00

00:51:51.660 How do you get in trouble? 0.99

00:51:53.340 You don't get in trouble legally. 0.99

00:51:55.400 I'll ask—I'm going to make some phone calls on that and make sure that you can't give a f***. 0.94

00:52:01.640 She steps in as legal advisor to Michael Cohen. 0.97

00:52:04.380 They're talking about Stormy Daniels, talking about how to handle the Stormy Daniels allegations.

00:52:09.160 He gives him both the questions and the answers, game planted out in full.

00:52:14.340 It's the same thing, frankly, as that CNN reenactment.

00:52:19.020 It's fake.

00:52:20.300 It's fake news, right?

00:52:21.840 When they have these people on, they've pre-planned the whole thing to make sure the guest looks absolutely great,

00:52:28.660 depending on where CNN wants them to be in the political landscape and story. 0.94

00:52:32.920 Do they want to make them look great or do they want them look shitty? 0.82

00:52:35.260 This is totally wrong. 0.98

00:52:38.080 This is extremely improper.

00:52:39.340 And CNN would know that.

00:52:42.420 If that, Megan, the other thing that occurs to me is if that is the sort of conversation that CNN is having with Michael Cohen,

00:52:50.480 imagine the conversations they're having with Democrats on a daily basis.

00:52:54.900 Imagine the lengths they go to behind the scenes to make Joe Biden and his administration that's full of disaster look like something less than that.

00:53:05.140 Anybody who watches that, I mean, yeah, Michael Cohen's interesting.

00:53:10.860 It's a very funny situation.

00:53:13.900 It's very funny.

00:53:14.920 Chris Cuomo, the pictures that Tucker had up there are very, very funny.

00:53:18.960 But what's not funny, what's actually sort of chilling,

00:53:22.540 is the familiarity with which these reporters from major outlets are working to try to tell one side of the story

00:53:33.580 because they're driving a narrative.

00:53:35.360 It is not news.

00:53:36.360 It is not information.

00:53:37.660 It's something that you should turn off.

00:53:39.440 I mean, and Americans are doing it on a routine basis.

00:53:43.040 Yeah.

00:53:43.260 I mean, it's theater, right?

00:53:44.400 Like it's kayfabe.

00:53:45.280 Like what was in that clip just played would be enough to make Vince McMahon blush.

00:53:52.420 Yeah.

00:53:52.680 You know, like setting it up.

00:53:54.460 He's like, you don't plan it out that much, dude.

00:53:56.240 Let there be something real.

00:53:57.720 I mean, the Ruthless Variety program is like Edward R. Murrow compared to that situation.

00:54:03.000 Right.

00:54:03.920 Right.

00:54:04.600 I mean, we're total propaganda for Republicans.

00:54:08.520 But we don't do that with our guests.

00:54:10.400 No.

00:54:10.880 Can you imagine?

00:54:12.020 It's just such a sad indictment of that Zucker era because it's not limited to –

00:54:17.240 I mean, you've heard Zucker himself.

00:54:18.520 You've heard Cuomo.

00:54:20.380 I mean, remember Don Lamont, right?

00:54:22.860 Like he was on with – what's his name?

00:54:25.220 Juicy Smollett.

00:54:26.680 Yeah.

00:54:27.100 Giving him advice on how to handle the whole thing.

00:54:29.060 That's right.

00:54:29.300 That seemed like the MO under a Zucker CNN is like,

00:54:33.780 well, you've got to get the interesting guests and you've got to coach them up a little bit

00:54:37.100 before we do our theatric production for an audience that otherwise trusts us with news and information.

00:54:42.020 I think that's like Ashbrook.

00:54:43.620 Like Duncan, like you said, it's really sad, honestly, because it's not news anymore.

00:54:48.920 This is not reporting anymore.

00:54:50.180 It's a production.

00:54:51.620 It's all just like – I remember how shocked I was when they had the January 6th hearings

00:54:57.960 and they hired – the Democrats hired like a television producer.

00:55:01.280 Yeah.

00:55:02.180 Like what is happening?

00:55:02.920 James Goldson of ABC News.

00:55:05.180 The information that Americans –

00:55:06.660 He was running ABC.

00:55:07.340 Yeah.

00:55:07.620 The information Americans are supposed to get is no longer reporting of facts.

00:55:10.920 It's all just a presentation of telling a story.

00:55:14.800 It's like, you know, Broadway.

00:55:16.380 It's like you're going to a show.

00:55:17.840 And if that's what they're going to do –

00:55:18.380 Did you hear they got Spielberg for the DNC?

00:55:21.020 Spielberg for the DNC.

00:55:22.920 Good God.

00:55:23.640 I did hear that.

00:55:24.280 But if –

00:55:25.480 I mean, they already got dinosaurs.

00:55:26.660 I guess it worked out for him.

00:55:29.160 Amazing.

00:55:31.200 I was just going to say –

00:55:32.120 What were you going to say, Ashbrook?

00:55:33.200 If they're going to make it theater, at least make it fun.

00:55:35.640 You know, there's absolutely nothing fun about that CNN segment we watched.

00:55:39.700 I mean, at least make it –

00:55:40.640 No.

00:55:40.980 Make it entertaining.

00:55:42.460 You know what I mean?

00:55:43.200 Take the objections out.

00:55:44.600 Take the stumbles out.

00:55:45.520 Take the attorney apologies out.

00:55:47.340 Like streamline the most salient parts.

00:55:49.300 But in all fairness to Mercedes and Joey, hire two actors if you're going to do it.

00:55:54.280 Actually hire actors.

00:55:56.260 And you know what?

00:55:57.180 Like, not for nothing, but you should hire somebody with a thick Long Island accent.

00:56:01.040 That's what I was going to say.

00:56:02.320 He sounds a little like Michael Cohen.

00:56:03.180 Right.

00:56:03.660 I will say –

00:56:04.720 We've been bashing Michael Cohen quite a bit.

00:56:06.580 The one thing I really like about the guy is his accent.

00:56:09.240 I love that accent.

00:56:10.860 There's something very endearing about it to me.

00:56:13.080 He's not endearing.

00:56:14.080 But maybe you like this.

00:56:16.120 I don't know.

00:56:16.440 I'm going to give you –

00:56:17.480 I'll give you –

00:56:18.480 Here's Place.7.

00:56:19.980 Here's old Michael Cohen. 1.00

00:56:21.140 Holy shit. 0.99

00:56:25.360 Tish James, our incredible New York Attorney General, has just decided that they are going to sue, put out a lawsuit against Donald Trump. 0.99

00:56:35.740 I'm so flabbergasted.

00:56:37.180 But more so, I want to personally thank Tish James for mentioning me, for crediting me, for the starting of this unbelievable lawsuit.

00:56:49.400 I'm going to like the accent a little.

00:56:51.640 So overcoached.

00:56:52.180 For mentioning me.

00:56:53.020 Oh, overcoached there, though.

00:56:55.480 If you notice, that is from the liberal media production company, Midas Touch.

00:56:59.940 Yeah.

00:57:00.240 And what you're seeing there is this common theme now in a lot of their content, direct-to-camera content that the people on the left use, where they just like set up the camera and they go over the top with all these adjectives of something.

00:57:12.580 Flabbergasted.

00:57:13.140 Flabbergasted.

00:57:14.040 I was flabbergasted.

00:57:15.860 It's so exciting.

00:57:17.540 And it's like –

00:57:18.360 It's so exciting.

00:57:19.700 I mean, that's the thing.

00:57:21.120 He hosts a podcast with Midas Touch.

00:57:23.360 Michael Cohen does.

00:57:23.740 Yeah, unbelievable.

00:57:24.500 Unbelievable.

00:57:24.980 I was going to say, if I close my eyes, it's the same guy at the bodega when the Yankees win.

00:57:30.180 He's just like so excited.

00:57:32.020 He wants to tell you all about it.

00:57:33.680 Yeah.

00:57:34.120 Do you ever watch that?

00:57:35.380 He's kind of a sad character, you guys.

00:57:37.220 It's like he was obsessed with Trump.

00:57:39.940 There was some terrible story about like he desperately wanted Donald Trump to go to his son's bar mitzvah.

00:57:45.080 Forgive me.

00:57:45.480 I'm going to screw it up.

00:57:46.200 But it was like Trump wouldn't go. 1.00

00:57:48.180 And then maybe he finally showed up and he treated Michael Cohen like shit. 1.00

00:57:51.160 Like they have a codependent relationship where Cohen just needs his approval and Trump won't give it. 0.99

00:57:59.060 And he testified yesterday.

00:58:00.440 He denied that he wanted to be attorney general.

00:58:02.660 I just, again, threw up a little in my mouth.

00:58:04.720 Attorney general.

00:58:05.600 But he admitted –

00:58:06.340 Attorney general.

00:58:07.260 But he admitted that he thought he should at least be considered for chief of staff in the White House, this now just barred attorney.

00:58:14.940 My God.

00:58:15.420 And that he was very angry that his name wasn't at least put out publicly.

00:58:19.520 You know, I just wanted my name out there.

00:58:21.020 Like, just to be considered.

00:58:22.380 You know, why wasn't I at least considered?

00:58:24.240 American gender.

00:58:25.120 It's about how he – right.

00:58:27.880 How he was so disappointed he testified yesterday after he paid the $130,000 to Stormy, took out a home equity loan, was promised that he would be paid back, he testified, and was paid back.

00:58:39.040 You know, and by the way, you know, he was testifying about the money.

00:58:41.320 He paid $130,000 to Stormy.

00:58:43.400 And he paid – and then he needed $130,000 to reimburse, you know, to make good on the taxes, right?

00:58:50.680 Because you get taxed at 50%.

00:58:51.880 Sure.

00:58:52.140 So they gave him back $260,000.

00:58:53.740 They paid him.

00:58:54.640 Then he said there was a $50,000 in the money because it's $420,000 that Trump paid him back.

00:58:59.220 And people are wondering, well, that's more than $130,000.

00:59:01.040 So is this really what you say it is?

00:59:02.660 And he was doing the math yesterday saying, okay, $260,000 for the payment.

00:59:06.720 $50,000 for some Red Finch company.

00:59:08.780 It was a tech company that paid – that owed – whatever, I paid them for Mr. Trump.

00:59:14.280 And they say, well, did Red Finch actually do $50,000 worth of work?

00:59:20.160 Like, you got paid – I can't remember how it went down.

00:59:22.920 I'm trying to get my facts straight.

00:59:24.140 But basically, the bottom line was he took more from Red Finch than he paid back into the Trump company.

00:59:33.420 He skimmed, Michael Cohen.

00:59:34.980 He's got to take a little cut.

00:59:35.780 Admitted – he took a little cut.

00:59:37.900 He admitted it.

00:59:39.400 The prosecution brought that out, so it didn't come out on cross.

00:59:42.320 And then there was an extra bonus of $60,000 to him.

00:59:45.340 Then in the next breath, the next breath, he's pissed because he talks about after he outlaid that $130,000 in October before the election of 2016.

00:59:56.040 In January, he found out that Trump had cut his bonus by two-thirds.

01:00:02.300 Why are you asking me to hold up to my finances?

01:00:04.540 Why are you asking me to hold up to the top of the payments coming into the Trump organization? 1.00

01:00:11.700 This guy's a pathetic figure. 0.98

01:00:14.340 He's a tragic figure and just desperate for the approval of Donald Trump. 0.99

01:00:18.460 It reminds me a little bit of like a Fredo Corleone situation.

01:00:21.140 Totally.

01:00:22.140 Yes!

01:00:23.140 He's like, well done.

01:00:24.140 It is kind of how – but why are you saying all these bad things about – I'm flabbergasted!

01:00:28.140 I'm flabbergasted!

01:00:29.140 I'm flabbergasted!

01:00:30.140 It's like Death of a Salesman or something like that. 1.00

01:00:33.260 He's like, I took out a HELOC to pay for the boss's porn star, and he treats me like shit. 1.00

01:00:37.740 I'm like, get the fuck out of my time! 1.00

01:00:39.700 Now I've got to drink piss out of the fucking water fountain! 0.99

01:00:42.900 Oh, speaking of fountains, here's speaking of fountains, more patheticness from Michael Cohen, who went to the Trevi Fountain in Rome. 1.00

01:00:52.700 And guess what his wish was?

01:00:55.060 So I traveled here to Italy to Trevi Fountain because we're not getting the things that we need in terms of holding Trump and his acolytes responsible.

01:01:05.060 So I am going to make a wish, which is, of course, what you do at the Fountain.

01:01:10.060 All right?

01:01:11.060 We all hope that he gets held accountable for all of his dirty deeds.

01:01:16.060 Do you think he's going to classify that trip as a business expense?

01:01:22.060 Do you think he's getting some of the coins out of the fountain?

01:01:27.060 Yeah!

01:01:28.060 To hold him accountable, I need to fly first class! 1.00

01:01:31.060 Like a serious motherfucker! 1.00

01:01:36.060 What was the guy's name in Godfather? 1.00

01:01:39.060 Hold on.

01:01:40.060 It was...

01:01:42.060 Who is the mob boss?

01:01:44.060 I'm thinking of Fredo.

01:01:45.060 And he goes,

01:01:46.060 You don't come to Las Vegas and talk to a guy like Mike, whatever like that.

01:01:49.060 Mo Green.

01:01:50.060 Mo Green, yeah.

01:01:51.060 That's who it was.

01:01:52.060 You don't come to...

01:01:53.060 That's...

01:01:54.060 Yeah.

01:01:55.060 That's him now.

01:01:56.060 Yeah.

01:01:57.060 It's sad.

01:01:58.060 When I went to the Trevi Fountain, I wished for the health and well-being of my children.

01:02:00.060 He wished for that for Donald Trump.

01:02:04.060 Single tear.

01:02:05.060 What a hollow, hollow existence.

01:02:08.060 We're not done with him yet.

01:02:10.060 Many, many more hours of Michael Cohen coming our way because the cross-examination hasn't even started.

01:02:14.060 So we'll put a pin in it for now.

01:02:16.060 Let's talk politics.

01:02:17.060 This New York Times poll yesterday.

01:02:19.060 My God.

01:02:23.060 Here's the headline.

01:02:24.060 It's basically similar to what the New York Times came up with in November.

01:02:29.060 But a lot has happened since then, and none of it was particularly helpful to Joe Biden.

01:02:36.060 Since their earlier poll in November, which again, this mirrors.

01:02:39.060 This is a battleground state poll.

01:02:41.060 The stock market has gained 25% under Joe Biden.

01:02:44.060 Trump's criminal trial in Manhattan has started.

01:02:47.060 The Biden campaign has unleashed tens of millions of dollars in advertisements across these battleground states.

01:02:53.060 And he delivered his robust State of the Union address.

01:02:57.060 So what happened?

01:02:59.060 What did it change?

01:03:00.060 Absolutely nothing.

01:03:02.060 And these numbers, you guys, yesterday I read, I think, the registered voters numbers, which is just terrible for Joe Biden.

01:03:11.060 It's got Trump up in every state except for Wisconsin, where he's got it to within two.

01:03:15.060 Here, we'll take a look at the likely voters since that's what that's the only thing that's really relevant.

01:03:21.060 You know, the polls among the likely voters.

01:03:23.060 It's still terrible news for Joe Biden in Wisconsin.

01:03:28.060 It actually flips in Wisconsin.

01:03:31.060 Trump's up one instead of down to when you bring it down to likely voters, Wisconsin.

01:03:36.060 Hello.

01:03:37.060 Which he won in 16, but then lost in 20 in Pennsylvania.

01:03:40.060 Trump's up three in Arizona.

01:03:43.060 Trump's up six in Michigan.

01:03:46.060 Biden's up one in Georgia.

01:03:50.060 But I mean, up one in Michigan.

01:03:53.060 That's it.

01:03:54.060 For Trump.

01:03:55.060 Yeah.

01:03:56.060 In Georgia, Trump's up nine.

01:03:58.060 And in Nevada, Trump's up 13.

01:04:02.060 I mean, this is didn't I have you guys on before the midterms?

01:04:05.060 We all thought Nevada might actually go Republican.

01:04:08.060 And then they flumb the middle finger.

01:04:10.060 And then we still talked about how Harry Reid still has that great get out the vote, you know, apparatus out there.

01:04:16.060 And Nevada is solidly blue because of his legacy.

01:04:19.060 Nevada right now, plus 13 for Donald Trump.

01:04:24.060 Joe Biden won all of those states back in 2020.

01:04:29.060 Nearly 70 percent of voters say the country's political and economic systems need major changes or even to be torn down completely.

01:04:38.060 What do you make of it?

01:04:39.060 Yeah.

01:04:40.060 I mean, I think James Carville actually said it best. 1.00

01:04:43.060 We led with him on our show today in that speaking on behalf of Democrats, we got to think of something else because this shit is not working. 0.99

01:04:50.060 He nailed it. 1.00

01:04:51.060 And he's right.

01:04:52.060 It's not working.

01:04:53.060 You know, the one thing that I sort of caution people against when you're dealing with May polls, particularly in a moment in time where, you know, Joe Biden is just sucking wind is irrational exuberance as a way of producing a little bit of a laissez-faire attitude in terms of how difficult this election is honestly going to be to win.

01:05:15.060 I mean, if you look at the electoral map, Trump's got to win Georgia if you take that poll.

01:05:20.060 Yeah, looks great.

01:05:21.060 Although we've had two consecutive cycles in Georgia where it hasn't been so great.

01:05:24.060 So is this just a entire sea change?

01:05:27.060 I don't know.

01:05:28.060 Keep an eye on it.

01:05:29.060 He's got to win two of the three, the Midwestern states, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.

01:05:33.060 Biden won all of them last time around.

01:05:35.060 Are we just at a complete sea change where everybody has dropped off?

01:05:38.060 I don't know.

01:05:39.060 2022 would tell you something different.

01:05:41.060 Right.

01:05:42.060 And it's not just simply because of a vastly different environment.

01:05:46.060 These things are going to tighten up.

01:05:48.060 I think it is very bad news.

01:05:49.060 No question for for Joe Biden.

01:05:51.060 I think his ceiling is such where Donald Trump's ceiling, which we talked about all during the primaries being incredibly low for a major party nominee.

01:06:00.060 Biden's might be lower.

01:06:02.060 It might actually be lower.

01:06:03.060 And then, you know, you figure he's not consolidated his base.

01:06:07.060 He doesn't have that same poll with suburban voters like Trump's in a driver's seat right now, which.

01:06:12.060 I don't think anybody could have really predicted a year ago.

01:06:15.060 And then when you add the third party candidate, I mean, RFK.

01:06:19.060 So so they broke out a multi candidate version of that survey you just read through.

01:06:24.060 And when RFK is on the ballot with that, those same samples, you have Trump with even bigger leads in some of these Midwestern states.

01:06:31.060 And obviously the Trump campaign is concerned about RFK tricking conservatives into believing that he actually is one of us.

01:06:39.060 You know, the guy has it as a decidedly left wing record and is a full on environmentalist and doesn't doesn't really have the same views as a lot of Republicans.

01:06:49.060 Trump campaign sees him as a threat or they wouldn't be attacking him like that.

01:06:53.060 But he is definitely pulling votes from Joe Biden.

01:06:56.060 And, you know, Democrats are working overtime to try to keep him off ballots.

01:06:59.060 He's going to be on in Michigan, I think, and he may be on in a couple of other states.

01:07:03.060 So I would continue to watch that guy and continue to expect that he may perform at or even above Ross Perot in some of these states.

01:07:12.060 Wow. Wow. Well, how about and I'm going to get to RFK because there's news on him that he made on our pal State Sage Steele's show Hispanics.

01:07:23.060 Can we talk about Hispanics for a second here? Hispanics, Republicans have never won a majority of Hispanics.

01:07:29.060 Doesn't happen. Doesn't happen as far back as 1972.

01:07:33.060 They've never gotten more than 44 percent of the Hispanic vote.

01:07:37.060 They always try. The Democrats always win a majority of the Hispanic vote. 0.99

01:07:42.060 Joe Biden won Hispanics in 2060 40 over Donald Trump.

01:07:47.060 They are going to be 15 percent of eligible voters in this upcoming election.

01:07:52.060 And Donald Trump is tied, according to The New York Times poll, with Joe Biden among Hispanic voters tied.

01:08:01.060 On top of that, this is showing again, this is likely voters showing him a 12 percent advantage over by or not advantage, but 12 percent of the black vote.

01:08:12.060 Biden at 58, Kennedy at 10. It goes up bigger, goes up to 20 percent, Trump, with registered voters.

01:08:18.060 But again, we don't really look at that. So in 2016, Trump won eight percent of the black vote in 2020.

01:08:24.060 He won 12 percent of the black vote. Do we have this from the Real Clear Politics podcast, you guys?

01:08:30.060 I think we have this. They're over here on the Real Clear Politics guys, including Tom Bevin, are over here on Sirius XM now doing a radio show.

01:08:37.060 And I enjoy it. Cut a soundbite from them talking about the black vote. Take a listen.

01:08:42.060 Trump also wins more than 20 percent of black voters, a tally that would be the highest level of black support for any Republican presidential candidate since the enactment of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

01:08:53.060 I talked to Sean Trendy about this last week on the show.

01:08:56.060 In 2016, Trump got eight percent of the black vote. In 2020, it was 12 percent.

01:09:01.060 And I said to Sean, I asked him, so what's the number? He was at 14 percent in the latest poll.

01:09:05.060 And I said, you know, so what's the number where Democrats should really is that sort of tipping point where this is going to be a huge problem?

01:09:12.060 And he's like, 14 percent would be a huge problem.

01:09:14.060 So for Trump to be at 20 in this poll has to be absolutely terrifying for Democrats, because if that number stays true and he wins 20 percent of the black vote, it's going to be a wipeout. 0.57

01:09:27.060 So what do you make of it, guys, minority voting?

01:09:31.060 Yeah, I mean, that's true. An awful lot of the reason for a higher percentage is a turnout for Joe Biden amongst African-American voters.

01:09:40.060 I don't know in terms of gross totals whether Trump can actually field more black voters than he did in 2020, but you certainly can reduce the number of voters that are voting for Joe Biden.

01:09:53.060 Nothing for the community. The Hispanic piece, I think, is more interesting because, look, there's a lot of people who try to deduce Hispanic votes as if they're like a monolithic category. 1.00

01:10:06.060 And they're not. It's like all Americans, all demographics. Everybody's got a whole bunch of different opinions.

01:10:11.060 But we've seen like South Florida, you're never going to find a more Republican voting bloc than Hispanics in South Florida.

01:10:17.060 But what we've seen across the country is in multi-generational Hispanic households, meaning people who've been around, they're in their community.

01:10:27.060 They've built a community around in various states across this union is that they have begun to detect the huge cultural separation between their community and what Democrats are selling on a day to day basis.

01:10:39.060 These are not East Coast, West Coast, elitist folks. These are people of faith. These are people of community.

01:10:44.060 Everything that Democrats have been selling them over the years is just not compatible with the way that they live their lives.

01:10:50.060 And so in these multi-generational communities, they have become much more conservative and much more likely to vote Republican.

01:10:58.060 Now, that over time has to change. It's not like you wake up one day and like 60 percent of Hispanics are Republicans.

01:11:05.060 But we've seen a migration, so to speak, of Hispanic votes towards a more conservative side and towards Republicans happening in the House, happening in the Senate.

01:11:16.060 It goes to show like I think in a presidential election, we can even get to a higher watermark.

01:11:21.060 Yeah, I mean, you said at the top of this segment, you were talking about Nevada.

01:11:26.060 Nevada is a perfect example of this. And we saw this in the midterms election election in twenty twenty two in Clark County.

01:11:31.060 You know, a huge Hispanic community there that works in the service industry on the Vegas Strip.

01:11:36.060 Yeah. Right. And they were impacted dramatically by covid policies and stuff like that.

01:11:40.060 And I think that's obviously why they got rid of the governor there. The Democrats is slack.

01:11:44.060 But the issue we had in twenty twenty two is, you know, over time of the Trump presidency,

01:11:49.060 we have traded the suburban voters who vote in midterms at a seventy six percent turnout for more exurban and rural voters who vote at about a fifty six, fifty seven percent midterm turnout.

01:12:00.060 So we had a mobilization problem in the midterm election with these new voters replacing suburban voters.

01:12:06.060 Presidential election year, you're not going to have that same issue.

01:12:09.060 Voters are coming out and nobody's more enthusiastic to vote than a Donald Trump voter.

01:12:14.060 So ultimately, that is Biden's problem, his problem with minority voters.

01:12:17.060 Problem with his base overall is a lack of enthusiasm we're seeing here in all the polls.

01:12:21.060 Yeah, that's down. Yeah. The four more years.

01:12:24.060 Pause. Message is not working.

01:12:28.060 Whereas Kyle Dunnigan said it on our show last year for last week.

01:12:32.060 Four more years. Pause. Smile. Triple exclamation point.

01:12:38.060 OK, the other piece of news in here is the youth vote.

01:12:43.060 This is this. All of this just seems impossible.

01:12:46.060 It just seems impossible.

01:12:48.060 Trump is tied with Biden among 18 to 29 year olds.

01:12:53.060 And yet this is what it says right here, that Trump is indeed tied with Biden when it comes to the youth vote.

01:13:01.060 Thirty percent for Biden and up one.

01:13:04.060 Actually, Trump, 31 percent, 18 to 29 year olds.

01:13:09.060 And on top of that.

01:13:11.060 We expect Trump to do better with men than women.

01:13:13.060 He always has 47 to 33.

01:13:15.060 But with women, Trump's got it to within two. 1.00

01:13:17.060 Again, I'm on the likely voters.

01:13:19.060 Biden, 39. Trump, 37.

01:13:21.060 If that if any of that holds Biden's done, he's done.

01:13:24.060 He can't.

01:13:25.060 The reason he won last time is because he overcame his deficit with men by running up his numbers with the women.

01:13:31.060 And the youth vote is going to go Republican.

01:13:33.060 Is that it?

01:13:34.060 Is that it?

01:13:35.060 Is that like thinking the black vote's going Republican?

01:13:37.060 It sounds it feels like pie in the sky.

01:13:38.060 Well, I mean, just to go back to what we just talked about, I mean, there's two ways to see these gaps narrowing.

01:13:43.060 One way is that all of a sudden you've had a conversion by a demographic unlikely to support somebody like Donald Trump.

01:13:50.060 Or in the case of what you're looking at with an awful lot of these polls, you have a receding ceiling that Biden had enjoyed in his first election and enjoyed in some measure for Democrats ever since, but are now decisively unenthusiastic about Joe Biden.

01:14:09.060 And what happens is they just drop out of that electorate there.

01:14:12.060 They either show up in a undecided, they don't take part in a poll at all.

01:14:18.060 But but it's one of the reasons like you see so much influence that this administration puts on, like being responsive to Gaza protesters for crying out loud is because they're afraid that they're receding amongst young progressives is enough focus on the wrong thing.

01:14:35.060 I mean, I totally these these voters say that they care, including the young voters, more than anything about, you guessed it, the economy.

01:14:43.880 That's what they care about more than anything.

01:14:45.800 They don't care about Gaza as much, not even close.

01:14:48.880 The numbers on Gaza are they're so low, they're off the chart on the bottom and they care about the economy like everybody else.

01:14:56.400 But that, you know, his messaging on that isn't working, his efforts to fix it aren't working.

01:15:02.460 And they have somebody else's report card, Trump's to look back on, guys.

01:15:07.080 It seems like for all these groups, the reason Trump is making inroads isn't because of his temperament, isn't because of his youth.

01:15:13.340 It's because of the Trump economy for those four years.

01:15:16.640 Yeah, I mean, I think especially for the youth vote, I've been seeing a lot of numbers on the level of economic pessimism that has essentially gripped the entirety of Gen Z, where there's been a lot of discussion of parents wondering if their children are going to be the first generation that's worse off than them.

01:15:35.380 Gen Z has accepted as a base case that the majority accept that they will never own a home, that it is going to remain unaffordable to them, and they're going to have to be renters for their entire lives. 0.78

01:15:46.900 They don't see any kind of like a hopeful future.

01:15:50.680 And this president, the cynicism that this administration has had in addressing what the youth are trying to tell them that, hey, the economy matters to them.

01:15:58.820 They say, oh, inflation is actually, it's not a problem.

01:16:02.680 First, they say it doesn't exist.

01:16:04.080 Then they say, actually, it might be good.

01:16:05.960 Now they're back to saying, well, it's gone.

01:16:07.880 You have to address people's problems, and you can't just say, well, you're crazy if you think that.

01:16:12.360 But to shut them up, they're like, well, what if we just handed you some student loan money?

01:16:15.960 Is that good enough?

01:16:17.260 It's essentially the most cynical play possible.

01:16:20.480 We can't get them to vote for us.

01:16:22.100 Why don't we give them money to do it? 0.58

01:16:23.760 I think your point about the economy is a really, really good one because the Biden administration is spending so much time focused on these lunatics on the college campuses,

01:16:33.520 like anybody really cares.

01:16:34.900 And the economy is affecting every single one of them.

01:16:37.960 And you know who is putting out videos basically every single week about the economy to catch these voters is RFK Jr.

01:16:45.120 I mean, every week.

01:16:46.440 I don't know if you've seen this, Megan.

01:16:47.500 He's got something about housing.

01:16:49.140 Here's how I'm going to fix housing.

01:16:50.520 You have a problem with your student loan.

01:16:52.320 Here's what I'm going to do to fix college.

01:16:53.620 He is talking directly to these youth, to these young voters who are guaranteed to be left of center.

01:17:01.120 Really hard for Republicans to convert to our side.

01:17:05.040 But if they're not coming to our side and they're not going to Biden's side, they might as well just go to RFK because they weren't going to vote for us anyway.

01:17:12.180 This is just another vote off of Biden's side.

01:17:14.800 So I think it's a little bit more realistic to think that young voters are going to try something completely different than it is that they're going to all of a sudden vote for Trump.

01:17:24.080 I mean, as much as I would love them to be voting for Trump, but as long as they're not voting for Biden, that means we can win.

01:17:30.320 Here are the numbers.

01:17:31.400 Overall, just 2% of likely voters of all ages called the Middle East problem the most important issue to their vote.

01:17:38.860 It's a minuscule number.

01:17:39.960 And by the way, that'll include some Jewish voters, too.

01:17:43.280 So that's not all people who want us to change our policy in Israel.

01:17:46.720 And just 5% of 18 to 29-year-olds said this was their most important issue.

01:17:51.060 Much bigger issue for the younger voters.

01:17:53.020 Number one, economy.

01:17:54.320 Number two, abortion. 0.88

01:17:56.020 Number three, inflation.

01:17:57.740 Number four, immigration.

01:17:59.780 And then foreign policy, which I guess they distinguish here from the Middle East.

01:18:03.760 So he's focused on the wrong problem.

01:18:06.420 But you mentioned Carvel.

01:18:08.380 We actually cut that sound.

01:18:10.760 We took a look.

01:18:12.060 It was from four months ago, but it holds perfectly true.

01:18:15.060 As I point out, nothing's changed.

01:18:16.900 The November New York Times poll has the same devastating numbers.

01:18:20.280 You know, whether they're real or not, they're still there.

01:18:22.440 And they don't look good for Biden, as it did in November.

01:18:24.800 And here was Carvel speaking to his frustration over this immovable problem.

01:18:29.940 In Trump's more head than he's ever been.

01:18:36.900 More, fewer people think January 6th was any kind of what it was.

01:18:41.620 It was an assault on the temple of democracy, the Constitution. 0.99

01:18:46.760 I don't know what the fuck you want to say. 0.98

01:18:48.560 It's going the wrong way. 0.99

01:18:50.340 It's not working.

01:18:51.880 Everything that we're throwing is spaghetti at a wall, and none of it is sticking, me included.

01:19:00.940 I don't like anybody else.

01:19:02.180 I have an opinion of myself.

01:19:05.000 And the opinion I've come to is, I don't matter.

01:19:08.680 It doesn't matter.

01:19:09.580 You can prepare, you can be on TV, you can write pieces, you can have a YouTube channel, you can have a podcast.

01:19:20.180 And nothing.

01:19:22.540 Nothing.

01:19:25.080 Aw.

01:19:26.240 Doom or Carvel, nothing matters.

01:19:29.720 You know, I will say, this is a lesson you learn pretty fast in the cable news game.

01:19:34.060 He's right.

01:19:34.980 You don't matter.

01:19:35.740 And to go out there thinking anything other than that is folly.

01:19:40.480 You should go out there as a commentator, as a journalist, with a hefty dose of humility, and just try to be an honest guide to people on the facts.

01:19:50.500 But to think that you're actually going to sway an election or, you know, shift outcomes when there are just such huge tides that are actually driving the vote, whichever way it's going to end in November, that you can't.

01:20:03.460 It's like, I don't even know that Trump and Biden are shifting them as much as we think.

01:20:08.480 Like, these things have been set in motion.

01:20:11.200 The economy, the border, you know, bit by bit they're affecting these things, certainly Biden at the moment.

01:20:16.400 But no one man, even the candidate, is single-handedly changing these tides.

01:20:22.620 These tides have been put in motion by a whole bunch of policies.

01:20:25.360 They're going to rush to shore in November.

01:20:27.860 And I think Trump is going to win no matter what James Carville says or wants.

01:20:32.080 But I feel for him.

01:20:33.640 I mean, I'm sure he is frustrated.

01:20:35.260 And if you guys were advising the Dems, what would you say?

01:20:38.400 What would you say they need to do right now to change their fortunes?

01:20:42.540 Shut the border and deport 20 million people. 0.94

01:20:45.200 That's about right.

01:20:45.860 Yeah, and stop chasing ghosts.

01:20:48.840 You know, I mean, one of the things that got Joe Biden through a Democratic primary is he's

01:20:51.860 the only candidate who wasn't operating off of, like, a Twitter information flow.

01:20:55.980 Like, he was speaking to a more center of the Democratic Party that got him through that.

01:21:00.760 And he became president.

01:21:01.940 All of a sudden, he became a Twitter-type president.

01:21:04.280 I mean, everything that they do, the only thing that produces reaction out of this White 1.00

01:21:09.140 House is off the progressive left.

01:21:12.120 I mean, he can chase that base all day long.

01:21:15.680 But the reality is he's president of the United States because you have a whole bunch of center

01:21:19.260 right voters in suburban areas across this country who'd voted Republican for 25 years

01:21:25.700 that became uncomfortable with Donald Trump.

01:21:28.680 And when Joe Biden became president of the United States, instead of catering to that audience

01:21:32.440 and figuring out what it is that he ought to be doing, a caretaker or however he built it,

01:21:37.780 he did stuff off the left-hand side of the map and stuff that those voters couldn't possibly dream

01:21:43.740 were in their best interest.

01:21:45.860 And he's governed that way and he's campaigning that way.

01:21:48.600 So I really don't think it should be a surprise that he's lean on approval rating

01:21:52.860 in the ballot question with that core group of voters.

01:21:57.020 Very lean.

01:21:57.740 The New York Times podcast, The Daily this morning, got into their poll and said that

01:22:02.720 what this is boiling down to, their own takeaway from their own poll, is voters, this is a change

01:22:07.200 election, much in the way the 2008 Barack Obama hope and change election was a change election.

01:22:14.320 And there's only one candidate who represents change right now, and it's not Joe Biden.

01:22:18.960 And this is just the way the electorate sees it.

01:22:21.080 They do.

01:22:21.640 They do want to burn the system down. 0.81

01:22:23.200 And that doesn't include keeping the current incumbent in office.

01:22:28.240 I want to get to what RFKJ said about abortion, because I do think it's interesting.

01:22:32.980 I'm going to squeeze in a quick break and when we come back, we'll talk about that and also

01:22:35.480 the threats of protests at the Democratic National Convention.

01:22:39.380 And what, if anything, is being done about it?

01:22:41.760 Sounds like nothing, which ought to be kind of fun to watch, but a real problem for Team Blue.

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01:23:48.080 All right, guys.

01:23:51.140 So very interesting moment.

01:23:52.620 Sage Steele has launched a podcast recently.

01:23:55.480 She's amazing.

01:23:56.240 Love her.

01:23:57.040 And she had on both RFKJ and his running mate, Nicole Shanahan, and got into the issue of abortion 0.99

01:24:04.580 and something very interesting happened.

01:24:06.780 First, RFKJ obviously endorsed abortion on demand through all nine months, and then wait

01:24:14.680 until you hear what his running mate said right after.

01:24:18.160 Watch this.

01:24:19.720 You know, I think with abortion, every abortion is a tragedy, but I think ultimately I don't

01:24:25.680 trust government to have jurisdiction over people's bodies.

01:24:30.920 I think we need to leave it to the woman. 1.00

01:24:33.880 Something like close to 60% of abortions are among women who make the decision for economic 0.99

01:24:42.040 reasons.

01:24:42.880 And I think we need to do everything we can to make sure that women who want to bring 0.98

01:24:47.360 their babies to term and are scared of not being able to afford them, that is never a

01:24:53.200 consideration.

01:24:53.660 Should there be a limit, or you're saying all the way up through full term, a woman has 1.00

01:24:59.880 a right to have an abortion? 1.00

01:25:01.140 Yeah.

01:25:01.400 I mean, I don't think any woman ever, ever in history has said, I'm going to have a,

01:25:09.140 you know, I'm going to have a baby.

01:25:12.320 I'm going to get pregnant and carry that baby to eight months of term, and then I'm going 0.85

01:25:16.640 to terminate the pregnancy.

01:25:17.840 But again, I'm down to the fact that I don't trust the state, and I think we need to trust

01:25:24.320 the woman.

01:25:25.080 Even if it's full term?

01:25:27.620 Even if it's full term.

01:25:29.340 I'm not voting for anybody who says, go for it up till birth.

01:25:32.440 No, I won't do that.

01:25:33.640 No, no, no.

01:25:34.140 And that is not Bobby's position as I understand it.

01:25:39.440 My understanding with Bobby's position is that, you know, every abortion is a tragedy.

01:25:46.260 Yes.

01:25:46.500 Is it a loss of life?

01:25:49.060 My understanding is that he absolutely believes in limits on, on abortion.

01:25:55.160 And we've talked about this.

01:25:56.640 Well, he just, he just very clearly said, because I pushed and I'm like, wait, up till he said,

01:26:01.200 it should always be a woman's choice, always, even up until that moment. 0.98

01:26:05.640 And that, that is where anyone who says that, well, you're going to lose, lose a lot of people

01:26:10.740 because that full term, that full term option is something that, that is just,

01:26:15.980 scary here.

01:26:17.500 That is not my understanding of his position.

01:26:20.400 And I think maybe there was a miscommunication there.

01:26:27.320 Unbelievable, right?

01:26:28.860 There was no miscommunication.

01:26:29.500 Sage Steele understood him perfectly.

01:26:33.960 He was very clear on the record about it.

01:26:36.100 And his vice presidential candidate had no clue what his position was on the merits.

01:26:41.420 Kudos to her for like, not letting it go and just like, oh, moving on. 0.83

01:26:46.060 God bless Sage.

01:26:46.880 She just held her to account.

01:26:47.680 Wow.

01:26:47.840 Yeah, she's good.

01:26:48.880 She's really good.

01:26:50.040 But I mean, look, it's almost like they don't know what they're doing.

01:26:54.320 Well, you know what?

01:26:55.480 Holmes, he's already come out to try to clarify it.

01:26:58.620 He's about his, his assumption that women would never do this.

01:27:02.620 He said, I learned my assumption was wrong.

01:27:05.180 Sometimes women abort healthy, viable, late term fetuses. 1.00

01:27:08.080 These cases of purely elective late term abortion are very upsetting.

01:27:11.380 Once the baby's viable outside the room, it should have rights and deserves society's

01:27:15.920 protection.

01:27:16.560 That's the statement in part.

01:27:17.480 So he's now, now he's reversed himself, but he did not in that interview.

01:27:22.620 Nothing like being on three sided, three sides of a two sided issue like abortion, right?

01:27:28.160 I mean, there are very few things that present themselves that are just like a morality clarity.

01:27:33.760 You're on one side, you're on the other.

01:27:35.160 You think that there's some way in the middle and all of a sudden he's like, yeah, no, I'm

01:27:38.580 for it.

01:27:38.900 No, no, I'm against that.

01:27:40.140 You know, he really brought it back.

01:27:42.260 How could he not know that some women did this?

01:27:47.040 You know, it's like we've had massive news stories about these abortion doctors who actually

01:27:50.160 do these late term abortions. 1.00

01:27:51.780 I got, I don't know.

01:27:53.220 This is a question I'd like to ask him.

01:27:54.480 How could you not know? 0.99

01:27:55.120 Well, he had, he did have that worm in his brain. 0.99

01:27:59.120 That's true. 0.97

01:28:00.060 Oh, there is a part of his brain.

01:28:01.860 So he maybe forgot a voracious eater.

01:28:04.460 And it did take out quite abortion from my understanding.

01:28:08.020 He said this way.

01:28:09.460 We have this.

01:28:10.540 It ate that file from directly.

01:28:14.440 He actually says, I'm sure people have heard this.

01:28:18.220 It broke last week.

01:28:19.560 Went to the abortion file.

01:28:21.520 Just ate it. 0.89

01:28:22.340 He says he got a brain worm.

01:28:28.080 It was testimony he gave during his divorce proceeding saying he's not sure where he contracted

01:28:32.240 it, but it led to memory loss and mental fogginess.

01:28:36.320 And he said it was caused by a worm that got into my brain and ate a portion of it and then

01:28:42.000 died.

01:28:42.920 Quote, I have cognitive problems.

01:28:44.620 Clearly, he said he didn't know the type of parasite, but suspected he might have contracted

01:28:49.140 it during a trip through South Asia.

01:28:52.800 Me too.

01:28:54.060 Doctors have said that people's like formation, their opinion on abortions, like in the right

01:28:58.820 frontal lobe where the worm apparently was found.

01:29:03.080 You know what?

01:29:03.960 Infectious disease experts told the New York Times, they believe if it was a worm, it was

01:29:08.840 likely a pork tapeworm larva.

01:29:13.420 Ew.

01:29:14.880 Roughly 2,000 hospitalizations have happened for this condition known as neurocysticiracosis.

01:29:23.480 I don't know what that is, but I'm very scared.

01:29:26.380 And Kennedy's response to this news hitting was, I offered to eat five more brain worms and

01:29:32.600 still beat President Trump and President Biden in a debate.

01:29:35.080 I feel confident in the result, even with a six worm handicap.

01:29:38.880 That is very funny.

01:29:40.760 What is this election?

01:29:42.160 What's happening to our election?

01:29:44.840 It is ironic.

01:29:46.800 RFK being the one liberal willing to take ivermectin actually needed it for the worms.

01:29:52.120 For the worms.

01:29:52.640 Not the COVID.

01:29:55.680 It's amazing.

01:29:58.260 So you're not, you don't seem like your big RFKJ supporters.

01:30:01.720 You're not putting the smart money on him.

01:30:02.980 I just think it's all fraud.

01:30:05.180 I mean, look, I'm not doubting that whether he has convictions on vaccines or what have

01:30:10.660 you.

01:30:10.920 But I mean, look, they hired right wing press people.

01:30:14.680 They have a clear agenda of trying to get disaffected conservatives on board with RFK.

01:30:22.160 I mean, there is not somebody breathing air that for 30 years during his professional career

01:30:28.720 was further to the left than RFK.

01:30:31.660 And like the idea that you somehow now run for president with this appeal to disaffected

01:30:35.960 voters on the in the center of the electorate is nuts to me.

01:30:39.380 Like, I just think it's all fraud. 0.85

01:30:41.140 Well, I agree that he in his whole the whole premise is fraud.

01:30:44.980 But I think that he is going to get more votes than people expect, because there is such a

01:30:51.360 strong desire out there for a different type of candidate than the two that people are given.

01:30:56.320 They want it.

01:30:58.120 They just they they want something a little bit different.

01:31:00.440 And hopefully that leads them towards Trump so we can get back to the economy that we knew

01:31:04.640 and loved.

01:31:05.060 But like a lot of people are interested in some just something else.

01:31:09.320 And that's kind of what he is.

01:31:10.680 It's like when Smug made the point on Ruthless today, which I think is apt, which is that

01:31:14.940 I think a lot of the voters who voted for Biden in 2020 weren't Biden voters.

01:31:20.560 They just knew they wanted to go a different way from Trump.

01:31:23.140 A lot of stuff going on, covid, all of this.

01:31:25.920 And they didn't think they were signing up for eight years of Joe Biden, that Joe Biden

01:31:31.320 basically misread the mandate of his election.

01:31:34.660 And so I think maybe we're seeing a lot of that with the RFK stuff.

01:31:37.440 Yeah.

01:31:38.780 All right.

01:31:39.120 Last but not least, the Democratic National Convention happens this summer in the formerly

01:31:44.740 beautiful town of Chicago.

01:31:46.320 Love Chicago.

01:31:47.040 Live there five years.

01:31:48.300 The left is ruining it day by day.

01:31:50.420 Looking at you, Mayor Johnson and your predecessors.

01:31:54.060 And what some are predicting, given this whole Palestine protesting thing erupting on all the 0.93

01:31:58.500 college campuses and streets, is something that may look a little like this from 1968 when

01:32:04.340 the protests were over the Vietnam War and got very, very violent.

01:32:07.680 Watch.

01:32:08.660 Would be unable to shoot the initial provocation, which authorities later claimed started the

01:32:14.040 bloody battle at Balboa and Michigan Avenue.

01:32:16.720 But whatever the reason, a clash did occur.

01:32:20.020 And this is what it looked like.

01:32:21.880 It speaks for itself.

01:32:28.500 So cops with the riot gear on, some beatdowns.

01:32:44.300 That was courtesy of NBC News.

01:32:46.140 I think it was WMAQ in Chicago at the time.

01:32:49.520 And what's happening now is the DNC is, quote, preparing for the worst, according to Politico,

01:32:54.380 without the help of the city's mayor, Brandon Johnson, who loves protests.

01:32:59.460 He's a rookie mayor who unabashedly sympathizes with the protesters.

01:33:03.720 He was formerly an organizer with the Chicago Teachers Union, my lord, and does not appear

01:33:09.940 to be getting ready to help or shut anything down.

01:33:12.240 And now, guys, there are, according to Politico, meetings underway about making this thing a,

01:33:19.200 quote, hybrid production where most of it would happen remotely via satellite, via Zoom, the

01:33:26.780 way 2020 did, so that they can keep as little of their convention out of the convention as

01:33:33.060 possible.

01:33:34.200 They don't want to go near Chicago.

01:33:36.400 They just want maximum viewership and minimized openings for protest.

01:33:42.420 What do you think is going to happen?

01:33:43.420 It says a lot about your job and how you've done in office when you're scared of meeting

01:33:49.040 with your supporters.

01:33:50.680 Like, we can't even show up and meet the people we hope we're going to vote for us.

01:33:56.740 Well, I mean, look, the Democratic Party is clearly concerned about the optics of all

01:34:00.680 this.

01:34:00.900 They don't want people like you playing the 1968 disaster of a convention for them drawing

01:34:06.940 parallels.

01:34:07.640 And so they're very concerned about the optics.

01:34:09.640 What I'm more concerned about, and I imagine most people are, is the actually safety and

01:34:12.860 security of these conventions, which is, you've seen across college campuses, it ain't great.

01:34:17.800 It ain't great.

01:34:18.340 So the potential for disaster is definitely there.

01:34:21.980 There was an interesting story in the Washington Post about the Republican convention and the

01:34:26.960 mayor and authorities there basically saying, like, nah, we're not going to listen to the

01:34:30.860 security concerns.

01:34:31.700 Like, we're more than happy to have these people a block and a half away from the convention

01:34:35.920 site and have attendees walk through, and we're not going to discuss the matter anymore,

01:34:39.500 to the point where the congressional leaders had to get involved to ask the Secret Service

01:34:44.700 and others to actually rethink this, because it's a real danger.

01:34:48.280 And the problem you have is these mayors in these urban areas are like, well, you know,

01:34:53.240 your security comes a little distant second to my political standing.

01:34:56.780 And so they're scared of the same people.

01:34:59.440 They're scared those people are going to come for them.

01:35:01.760 They're like, I have to live with them after you've left town.

01:35:03.740 Yeah, right.

01:35:04.940 And we saw that in 2020, right?

01:35:07.400 Like, you look at a place like Portland or Seattle, you know, where you had these BLM 1.00

01:35:12.800 rioters taking over, like, whole blocks of the city and declaring it like their own little

01:35:17.160 encampment.

01:35:18.240 I mean, these mayors are terrified of their own constituents, so they're not going to do anything

01:35:21.480 to protect these conventions.

01:35:23.180 No, that's right.

01:35:24.020 The last thing they want is an image of the cops cracking down on the protesters.

01:35:29.580 And when the cops go in to install law and order, it can get ugly in front of a TV camera

01:35:34.260 because people are unruly and they're looking to create that kind of a scene.

01:35:38.880 They want to get on the evening news and on social media now.

01:35:43.060 So, you know, the odds of them actually sending in the cops are very, very slim.

01:35:48.480 So what does that do to the conventions?

01:35:49.600 The Republicans are not talking about canceling theirs or making it go remote or via Zoom.

01:35:54.820 I will say, to your point about what's happening in Milwaukee, where the RNC is, or its convention,

01:35:59.600 a Milwaukee police captain, according to the Washington Post, said there were also concerns

01:36:05.420 within the community that Republican convention attendees might, quote, terrorize Milwaukee citizens

01:36:12.580 and harass minorities.

01:36:15.340 There is fear in the community.

01:36:17.020 Sure.

01:36:18.400 Okay.

01:36:18.940 Yeah.

01:36:19.280 Aunt Helen in her red sweater and her white hair is really like bust up the projects. 1.00

01:36:25.480 Army of old-timers, Navy blazers.

01:36:28.440 It really is.

01:36:29.480 Get her boys the one with the elephant button. 1.00

01:36:32.740 Here we go.

01:36:33.700 Sure, Dan.

01:36:34.220 We don't believe you, sir.

01:36:40.720 Guys, you're the greatest.

01:36:42.260 Thanks so much.

01:36:43.140 And to be continued.

01:36:44.840 Absolutely.

01:36:45.360 Anytime, Megan.

01:36:45.960 Thanks for having us.

01:36:46.680 Thanks so much.

01:36:47.360 Love my pals from Ruthless.

01:36:48.580 The best.

01:36:49.440 Holmes, Duncan, Comfortably Smug, and John Ashbrecht.

01:36:51.960 Back tomorrow with Marsha Clark and Mark Garagos.

01:36:54.180 We'll get their take on what's happening in Team Trump.

01:36:56.600 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 14, 2024

Jen Psaki Caught Lying About Biden, and Michael Cohen Celebrated by Media, with the Ruthless Podcast Hosts ｜ Ep. 791

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