The Megyn Kelly Show - Jew Hatred on Display in America, and Free Speech vs. Cancel Culture, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.780 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Oh my gosh, this weekend.

00:00:18.420 Increasingly grim news over the weekend and today out of the Middle East as Israel now reports at

00:00:23.320 least 199 people are still being held hostage in Gaza and Hamas releases a horrifying video

00:00:31.400 allegedly showing, I mean, they say this is what it shows and we have no reason to doubt them,

00:00:37.560 they're Hamas terrorists with stolen Israeli children and babies. Hamas labeling it as a

00:00:44.960 video that shows their compassion. I mean, you cannot make it up that these ridiculous attempts

00:00:51.960 at propaganda. Do they not? Are they stupid? I guess they're, in addition to being evil,

00:00:57.560 they're just stupid. In the video, you see a young child being bandaged, a terrorist rocking someone

00:01:05.380 else's baby back and forth in a stroller, a man clutching a baby on top of a rifle. Oh yeah,

00:01:13.020 these are sweet, sweet scenes of compassion. Another telling a little child to say in the name of Allah

00:01:19.220 before the child is told to drink from a cup. And believe it or not, some are buying what Hamas

00:01:26.200 is selling as compassion, compassion. Honestly, we don't, we don't know what happened to these

00:01:32.620 children's parents. There's at least one report out of Israel saying that they've been killed.

00:01:36.600 Part of me felt that when I first saw this first, I, I hope they never lived to see that. I hope they

00:01:41.680 can't see this. I cannot imagine the torture to a mom or a dad seeing your baby in the hands of these

00:01:53.180 evil mad men. I, I don't know how to fight as a soldier. I think it would make me grab a gun and

00:02:02.660 run into Gaza. I moms. Can you like, you would do anything. You would do anything. You would rather

00:02:10.940 your child were gone. I think then to see him in the arms of a Hamas terrorist laughing at him,

00:02:21.700 holding him next to a gun. Who knows what they're doing to those children. I'm horrified by the video.

00:02:29.940 That's who Hamas is. That's who these assholes on these college campuses are defending. Got it?

00:02:38.500 Are we clear? That's the bad guys. Those guys, those are the guys you want us to negotiate with,

00:02:46.480 right? Okay. Israel, America as its closest ally, we're supposed to sit down and have a little chat

00:02:54.060 with the terrorists about how it's bad to take somebody else's baby. It's bad to hoist him on top

00:02:59.220 of your rifle after you slit the throat of his brother and shot his parents and let them all

00:03:05.400 burn to death in their safe shelter. That's bad. We should talk about you stopping that. Bullshit.

00:03:11.580 This is all such a farce. This is all such a farce as we try to pretend these are like reasonable people

00:03:17.080 who, you know, we'll talk, we'll chat about his two state solution and, you know, about deescalation.

00:03:24.280 Sure. Sure. In the meantime, Israel's now evacuating citizens from its own northern border.

00:03:33.540 Israelis trying to move them away from what's becoming an increasingly dangerous northern border

00:03:38.760 with Lebanon as tensions are escalating there with Hezbollah. There are some specifics this morning.

00:03:46.220 I'll give them to you. Hundreds of thousands of Gazans reported. Oh, hold on a second. I'm reading

00:03:53.500 the wrong piece. Okay. Here it is. Israel evacuating residents from 28 communities along that border.

00:04:01.420 People will be taking Israelis to hotels and guest houses paid for by the Israeli government on Israel's

00:04:06.700 northern front. Tensions escalating with Hezbollah after Hezbollah began firing anti-tank missiles at

00:04:13.500 Israel military targets as well as an Israeli community near the Lebanon border on Sunday,

00:04:21.580 killing one man and wounding several others. The IDF, Israeli defense force, returned fire at Hezbollah

00:04:28.440 targets and created a four kilometer buffer zone along the border. That's not good. It's not good.

00:04:33.700 We don't want to see this go to two fronts. You know, I've heard some say it's inevitable that it

00:04:38.480 will. And then I heard Victor Davis Hanson. He's always so worth listening to saying he doesn't

00:04:44.800 know that that will necessarily happen because Hezbollah knows it's completely outmatched by

00:04:50.160 Israel, completely outmatched and that Israel will level it. So he was, you know, I don't mean to put

00:04:58.160 words in his mouth. You can listen to his podcast and you should, but he was suggesting he doesn't

00:05:02.400 think Lebanon's Hezbollah in Lebanon is that dumb. Um, there are also reports coming out of Gaza that

00:05:09.240 hundreds of thousands of people have abandoned their homes in the north after Israel warned them

00:05:15.200 ahead of its expected ground invasion. That's what Israel does. It warns its targets. The bombs are

00:05:22.440 coming. The troops are coming. Now it is true. These people have not that many places to go

00:05:28.700 because Israel is not going to let them into Israel. They, they, they can move from, uh, the

00:05:35.820 north to the south, but really what would be ideal for them is if they could get into Egypt. But guess

00:05:40.300 what Egypt is saying? It's a big middle finger from Egypt. They don't want these people. They don't

00:05:46.020 care. They got a big wall, goes up high, goes down low, like 30 feet into the ground. Can't get over

00:05:52.000 it. Can't get under it. Can't get around it. Egypt doesn't want them. But the only person, the only

00:05:57.540 group that's supposed to give these people humanitarian support after they launched a

00:06:01.200 war on Israel is Israel. Got it. You understand the logic back here at home. President Biden

00:06:07.140 took to 60 minutes to warn against an Israeli occupation of Gaza, which by the way, Israel

00:06:14.840 doesn't want. Would you support Israeli occupation of Gaza at this point? I think it'd be a big

00:06:22.980 mistake. Look, what happened in Gaza, in my view, is Hamas and the extreme elements of Hamas don't

00:06:32.580 represent all the Palestinian people. And, uh, I think that, uh, it would be a mistake to, uh,

00:06:40.820 for Israel to occupy Gaza again. We did, uh, but to going in and taking out the, uh, the extremists,

00:06:50.420 the, uh, Hezbollah is up north, but Hamas down south is a necessary requirement.

00:06:59.700 I don't, I'm not exactly sure whether he even knew what he was saying. Is it, it's a necessary

00:07:03.620 requirement to go up there and take out Hezbollah? We haven't even done that yet. What are you,

00:07:08.180 what are you saying? What? I don't. Okay. Um, he also went, uh, more interestingly in that

00:07:14.500 interview with 60 minutes, he was asked, are American ground troops a possibility? And he

00:07:20.780 said, I, no, I don't think that's, he said, I don't think that's necessary. Israel has one of the

00:07:26.440 finest fighting forces in the country. Nobody wants to see American boots on the ground. They're

00:07:30.720 nobody, you know, the people who are trying to, I don't know if it's defend Hamas, however you want

00:07:36.880 to put it here in America with like the forever war. No, no, no, no one wants that. Literally

00:07:42.220 nobody other than Lindsey Graham wants to see boots on the ground in America. It's starting a war with

00:07:47.960 Iran. This is about supporting Israel and its right to exist and defend itself, which is a commitment

00:07:56.000 we've made under Democrat and Republican presidents since for decades. Then there's the anti-Israel

00:08:05.180 and pro-Palestinian, which is at times really pro-Hamas terrorist rhetoric engulfing the West.

00:08:15.160 We have seen it everywhere in places that are America's most important allies, like the UK.

00:08:20.520 Hey, did you see this? Look at this. This scene Saturday near the prime minister's residence in

00:08:26.540 London, thousands taking to the streets, chanting slogans, just to be clear, like from the river to

00:08:33.240 the sea, Palestine will be free. That is an exterminate Israel slogan. From the Jordan River to the sea

00:08:41.700 crosses right over Israel. That's what they're saying when they're saying from the river to the

00:08:46.860 sea, Palestine will be free. Carrying signs like no justice, no peace. Sound familiar? I get they

00:08:53.780 get a little BLM inspo there. Look at this. This is what open borders gets you. Good luck. We're on

00:09:01.020 the same path. In Canada, an unhinged protester speaking with our pals up at Rebel News, insisting,

00:09:09.660 listen to this brainwashed idiot. Hamas is anything but a terrorist organization.

00:09:14.460 Hamas is not a terrorist group. First of all, Hamas is not a terrorist group. It is a resistance

00:09:21.900 that has been fuming for 75 years. Everything that they do is justified.

00:09:27.980 Including what happened last week? Every single thing they have done is justified.

00:09:32.260 There were children murdered. There were babies beheaded.

00:09:36.180 Babies beheaded, really? Please educate yourself. Please check the news. Because as a news reporter,

00:09:43.240 you got to check the f***ing news, because they said that that s*** was fake. Okay? Hamas is a Muslim,

00:09:49.620 a Muslim group. They would never do that because it's against Islam.

00:09:54.560 They would never, they would never rape women or murder babies, she said, because it's against Islam.

00:09:59.460 Okay. Okay. Speaking of needing to do our research, sweetheart, maybe the cold up there in Canada has

00:10:07.380 gotten to your sweet little brain, because it doesn't seem to be working the way it's supposed to.

00:10:11.420 And then there are our college campuses and those who turn a blind eye or even once supported

00:10:18.480 far-left ideology who are now coming to grips with what has been done to young minds. This woke

00:10:26.520 college mind virus has affected far too many students in far too disturbing ways. We're going to get to all

00:10:35.120 of this today as Emily Jaschinski, who is culture editor at The Federalist and host of The Federalist

00:10:40.440 Radio Hour, joins us along with Eliana Johnson, who is editor-in-chief of the Washington Free Beacon

00:10:46.620 and co-host of the podcast Ink Stained Wretches. They are, as we affectionately call them,

00:10:54.020 the EJs. Emily, Eliana, welcome to the show.

00:10:56.220 Good to be here, Megan.

00:10:59.500 I'm so over, like, what's, these apologists for Hamas that you see over there, up north,

00:11:10.280 here in our country, like, you know what? They're just confused. This was a battle raging

00:11:16.620 on Twitter over the weekend. They're just confused college students. You know, they're sweet little

00:11:22.280 babes in the woods on college campuses who, the 35 groups at Harvard that signed that letter.

00:11:28.860 They didn't know what they were, you know, they didn't really support. They didn't, really? Are you

00:11:34.320 sure they didn't support exactly what Hamas is doing? Because they made it pretty damn clear

00:11:40.000 in their letters and elsewhere that they totally understood. They understood absolutely perfectly

00:11:45.260 saying, this is all Israel's fault. Everything that happens to Israel is its fault. It's almost like

00:11:50.380 you expect terrorists to terror. You know, that's what they do. They terrorize. That's their bread

00:11:56.040 and butter. I don't expect Americans to back it. No, I don't expect America, even the, even the most

00:12:01.620 outlandish. You know, you want to go out there and say American, Americans are racist. Americans are

00:12:06.220 sexist. Americans are transphobic. Great. We're used to that rhetoric. But to go out there and say

00:12:12.880 Americans, like, as Americans, we're going to support terror. We're going to back Hamas.

00:12:20.380 In the wake of its murder of families and children and innocents and seniors, that piece

00:12:27.540 of it, I truly, I almost don't get, Emily. You know, I don't get when we see our own citizens

00:12:32.080 out there saying this crap. It's sort of mind boggling. And I saw your back and forth on

00:12:39.020 Twitter that I thought was excellent over the weekend and was thinking, you know, on the one

00:12:45.160 hand, it is true that people have a really hard time sorting fact from fiction now. It is true

00:12:51.540 that people have been lied to, especially by the foreign policy establishment, to disastrous

00:12:57.220 consequences. That has happened. It is a pattern. And it has something that has absolutely seeped

00:13:03.560 into the American sort of political imagination. All of those things are true. On the other hand,

00:13:08.820 especially when we're talking about college students, especially when we're talking about

00:13:11.880 students of the so-called elite universities, they are adults. They are seeing Hamas's live stream

00:13:18.580 of these attacks. And they have adult brains that can be used to make up what is a black and white,

00:13:25.760 right and wrong issue. That doesn't mean that there isn't historical context. It doesn't mean

00:13:30.220 any of that. It means that this was clear. It was clear as day. It was black and white. And it's

00:13:36.500 almost insulting to Hamas to say that they are not doing these things because they want the world to

00:13:42.200 know that they're doing these things. It is their branding. Terrorism is their branding. And they're

00:13:48.020 now telling people not to leave Gaza. That is, they're on the record saying that over and over again. So

00:13:53.840 it is black and white. And I think as adults, if you can't make up your mind up, if you can't make

00:13:59.280 your mind up, even in the sort of glut and the muddied waters of social media, if you can't make

00:14:05.380 your mind up right now, I don't know that you do have business joining the adult world in any of

00:14:11.380 these leadership positions that we so often see Harvard kids graduate into. Well, that's the thing,

00:14:16.800 you know, Eliana, is that you, yes, when you are, you know, 17 years old, you don't have your fully

00:14:22.880 formed views on the world. But, you know, when you are, let's say, young 20s and you're out there at

00:14:28.260 these college campuses or 19, 20, you know, murder is wrong. You've learned by then it's not okay to

00:14:36.020 kill babies, little civilians who are asleep in their beds. That's bad. Most humans have learned

00:14:46.220 that by the time they go off to college. Doesn't seem like it should be such a high bar to require

00:14:53.080 them to consider that knowledge before they sign these letters, before they go out to college campuses.

00:14:58.260 And this is the way it came up over the weekend. The Vakramaswamy tweeted out

00:15:03.900 the following, the Harvard student groups who co-signed the anti-Israel letter. And I mean,

00:15:11.120 it blamed this entire thing on Israel. No quarter for the Israelis. It was 100% pro-Hamas.

00:15:17.820 The Harvard students who signed that are simple fools, but it's not productive for companies

00:15:22.720 to blacklist kids for being members of student groups that make dumb political statements on

00:15:28.440 campus. Colleges are spaces for students to experiment with ideas. And sometimes kids join

00:15:35.860 clubs that endorse boneheadly wrong ideas. And he says he's against cancel culture and it's bad no

00:15:43.000 matter who practices it. Okay. I weighed in saying, this is your view as a presidential candidate when

00:15:51.320 we're talking about, these are not kids who are like, I was a little liberal when I was pro Greenpeace

00:15:57.600 when I was in college. You know, I was pro-choice and then I became pro-life later. These are young people

00:16:04.740 who are out there demonstrating, writing letters as the murdering is going on of children attacking the

00:16:14.620 children, attacking Israel, siding with terrorists, Eliana. And as far as I'm concerned, I don't want

00:16:23.360 anything to do with any of them. I am 100% pro-blacklist. It is not cancel culture. I don't associate

00:16:32.160 with terrorists. I don't hire their sympathizers and I don't recommend you do it either.

00:16:40.080 First, Megan, I'm going to ask your audience to excuse my voice. I'm a little bit hoarse, but

00:16:45.460 you know, I think this is a really healthy debate for the country to have, and I'm glad we're having

00:16:51.600 it though. I'm sorry it's under these circumstances. This is not, I think blacklist is the wrong term for

00:16:59.420 it. Student groups signed these statements and this, the, we saw the hedge fund CEO, Bill Ackman say,

00:17:07.760 I want to know the members of these groups because I want to make sure not to hire the members of these

00:17:14.280 groups to my hedge fund, Pershing Square Capital. Now, Vivek Ramaswamy, on the other hand, if he thinks

00:17:21.020 these are kids who entertain silly ideas, he's free to hire them. There is no blanket blacklist.

00:17:28.120 Each private company is free to do what it so chooses. And I think it is a lesson to the kids

00:17:36.040 who are members of these groups that these are serious ideas. These are serious world events.

00:17:43.280 They should think long and hard before they sign their names to statements.

00:17:47.200 That shouldn't be too hard for the careerist kids at the Harvards and Yales and Princeton's

00:17:53.100 and Stanford to understand. They understand that quite well, but employers are watching. And by the

00:17:59.740 way, there are plenty of law school student groups and med school student groups that sign these

00:18:04.080 statements. It is not just 18 year old undergraduate kids. There are plenty of 25 and 30 year olds who sign

00:18:09.460 these statements, but every employer is going to make up his own mind, whether he wants a signatory of

00:18:15.020 one of these statements at his company. Plenty of them will decide they do. But those who don't,

00:18:19.560 they are perfectly free to say, we don't want we don't want somebody who blamed the victim of a terror

00:18:26.400 attack for that attack to work at our company. And we're seeing we saw Ken Griffin of Citadel,

00:18:34.080 who gave three hundred million dollars to Harvard, tell the New York Times this morning.

00:18:38.720 Absolutely not. None of the kids who signed these statements will work at Citadel. And he said

00:18:44.800 a hundred years ago, these people would have been considered adults today. They're considered babies,

00:18:49.300 but a hundred years ago. No. And this is beyond the pale. And you know what? He's got a lot of other

00:18:54.080 options for people who want to work at Citadel besides the 30 kids, the members of these 30 groups

00:19:00.440 who signed the statement at Harvard. You know what? As you're, as you were making even better

00:19:05.640 points, your voice got like even more raspy and it was working for me. I know you're crossing over

00:19:11.100 to like little Robert F. Kennedy situation. What a trooper you are for coming on, notwithstanding

00:19:17.000 your, your challenge today. We're with you. Happy to be here. But yes, this is exactly how I feel.

00:19:23.120 If you want to hire these terrorist sympathizers, go for it. Good luck. I won't be patronizing your

00:19:27.600 business, but they're not going to come to work for the Megyn Kelly show. And I'm sure they don't

00:19:31.500 want to trust me, but there are large corporations where they wouldn't be outing themselves as one

00:19:37.160 of these student groups. You sign this letter or you were part of the, one of these groups and

00:19:40.880 didn't support this stuff. All right. I'm, I'm open-minded to hearing like how you didn't realize

00:19:45.040 that the lunatic who ran your group was going to launch this letter in the middle of a terrorist.

00:19:49.800 I'm low. I'm open. Great. Tell me that you disavow. I'm, I'm listening. But for those students

00:19:55.240 who are part of the groups that sign these letters, blaming Israel and only Israel and

00:19:58.700 cheering on Hamas, they can pound sand. I never want, I never want them anywhere near a company

00:20:03.960 that I'm associated with that my children would ever go work for. And I applaud these business

00:20:08.800 leaders for saying no. So here's what happened over the weekend. Then, so I challenged Vivek and

00:20:15.740 whatever, Vivek can defend himself. It was my pushback on his tweet that got things started.

00:20:22.300 Then Candace Owens felt the need to weigh in on Vivek's side, suggesting it's all well and good.

00:20:28.520 These kids can be rehabilitated. You know, they can, I would take like, you know, I've taken on

00:20:33.180 people who've changed their views and it's disingenuous to suggest that they can't be

00:20:37.500 changed. And, you know, I think it's wonderful that she's willing to take them on. I really do.

00:20:41.540 I look forward to the Candace Owens internship program over the daily wire. And I have found a bunch

00:20:46.740 of students who she could take on because she really thinks that they're open-minded to a

00:20:51.900 change of heart. And here's just a few samples for her to call from here. Watch.

00:20:55.800 My name is Arzal Mohamed. This is a Nazi fucking IDF Israeli bitch. You guys are fucking Nazis.

00:21:04.080 You're the one killing Jews. You support genocide. You're the one beheading babies.

00:21:07.960 Nobody is killing Jews. You support genocide. You're fucking disgusting.

00:21:11.580 You support genocide of my people. You're a fucking Nazi bitch. By the way,

00:21:13.560 my name is Arzal Mohamed. Come find me, fucking Nazis.

00:21:17.360 There were children murdered. There were babies beheaded. Babies beheaded. Really? Please educate

00:21:30.780 yourself. Please check the news. Because as a news reporter, you got to check the fucking news

00:21:36.420 because they said that that shit was fake. Okay?

00:21:39.640 Let's do it now. Glory to the martyrs. Glory to the martyrs. Glory to the martyrs. Do you know

00:21:50.100 what you're saying? What do you say? We will liberate the land. There you go. We will liberate

00:21:56.960 the land by any means necessary. We will liberate the land. By any means necessary. There is only

00:22:02.900 a solution. It's just a revolution. It's just a revolution. It's just a revolution. It's just a

00:22:11.000 thing. Palestine will be free. Palestine will be free. They got tanks. We got hate gliders.

00:22:18.140 They got tanks. We got hate gliders. Glory to the resistance fighters. Glory to the resistance

00:22:25.500 fighters. Glory. Glory to Hamas. So there's that first nice girl, Arzo. She looks like a

00:22:32.880 a potential summer hire. I mean, you could put her in the or maybe if Vivek wins, she could go

00:22:38.120 intern at the White House since he, too, believes these people can they they ought to. OK, well,

00:22:44.100 good luck with that. I look forward to your reeducation program and I hope you succeed.

00:22:48.320 What do you think of it, Emily? Well, OK, so the broader problem here is that we have utter

00:22:53.280 sophists in our university system, especially at some of these elite colleges. You have

00:22:57.500 professors, you know, Judith Butler some 20 years ago, maybe even less than 20 years ago,

00:23:02.220 was talking about how it's important to understand Hamas and Hezbollah in the context of,

00:23:06.260 you know, struggles against depression and colonialism everywhere. And that is not an

00:23:11.220 isolated argument. Students have been being sort of inundated with that kind of argumentation for

00:23:17.180 decades on college campuses. But it's much worse now than it ever has been, because these sophists,

00:23:22.760 these people who are horrible at actual academia because the standards have been lowered in the

00:23:29.120 names of the fake sort of cause of social justice for years and years are the ones that are educating

00:23:34.240 these kids. Now, that doesn't take the blame off of the kids. If you are a Harvard student,

00:23:39.760 honest to God, if you're an adult in the United States in 2023 and you look at what happened last

00:23:46.780 week, loud and clear again, Hamas live streaming some of this stuff, Hamas eagerly owning, embracing

00:23:53.120 some of this stuff. And you are chanting by any means necessary. They have hang gliders in a way.

00:23:59.500 Glory to the martyrs, which sometimes they say means civilians. But I think when you're also

00:24:03.820 talking about the hang gliders and by any means necessary, we know exactly what they were talking

00:24:07.900 about. I don't care what your professors are telling you. I don't care what the media is telling

00:24:12.320 you. If in the hours after a targeted slaughter, that's how you are talking, you have problems that

00:24:22.020 will not be fixed just by maturing and getting even older when you're already an adult human being.

00:24:28.540 I mean, it's just completely, completely, completely outrageous. And I think also some of those crowds

00:24:35.180 are being whipped into a frenzy by students whose families probably came here to escape violence in

00:24:42.540 the Middle East, Middle East, or to make better lives voluntarily came here to the United States

00:24:48.080 and are just utterly ungrateful for the freedoms that the United States has shed blood to ensure for

00:24:58.080 people who live here on our soil. I mean, it's a completely mind in the West. It's just been a mind

00:25:03.300 boggling week. Here's what's crazy. All these student groups that have been speaking out,

00:25:08.640 they're not backing down. You know, a couple of the Harvard kids were like, oh, I didn't mean to

00:25:13.420 be part of that letter after Bill Ackman, the hedge fund guy, was like, I want the names because I'm

00:25:18.400 not going to hire them. And then a bunch of other CEOs said, I feel the same. Then they were like,

00:25:22.540 huh? What? Oh, me? I didn't mean it. Because, you know, of course, they're just sad little

00:25:27.920 wannabe rich kids who are pissed that their Goldman Sachs job may have just dried up.

00:25:32.980 Oh, whoopsie. So, okay, fine. At least they've disavowed. But many of these people didn't

00:25:38.040 disavow. And so as they've seen day after day, and by the way, the horrors and the atrocities

00:25:42.600 were apparent on day one, day one. But even giving them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they just

00:25:47.820 saw a headline on day one. Now here we are, what, day 10? Where's your withdrawal? Where's your,

00:25:53.320 I'm very, very sorry for what I did. That was so dumb. My God, I stand with Israel. This is absolutely

00:25:58.360 terrible. It's not happening. They stand by it because they really do believe that Israel is

00:26:04.060 white supremacist, colonial, whatever. You know, you could go down the list of what they're saying

00:26:08.460 and that it needs to be wiped off the face of the map. That's, they've been saying it over and over.

00:26:13.440 These are Americans in our country saying this shit. Report after report.

00:26:20.320 They claim their central frustration is that equal concern towards Palestinian civilians and children

00:26:25.640 isn't being shown in the media. Well, these are murders at a music festival and a kibbutz. And so

00:26:32.160 if you want to have the media, if you want Americans to show concern for Palestinian civilians, as we

00:26:38.420 absolutely should. On the other hand, you can't be chanting, we have hang gliders, glory to the

00:26:45.620 martyrs by any means necessary. That's absurd and incoherent. And it just proves that for some

00:26:52.920 people, that argument is a total lie. Well, 100% agree. And here's the thing. Day after day,

00:26:59.800 we get more reports of the atrocities coming out of what happened in Israel. I mean, and it is dark.

00:27:06.920 It's extremely dark. I mean, I love this woman up in Canada who we just showed is like,

00:27:11.660 there, there, there's no rapes. Oh, there's no rapes. Really? Why don't you spend a minute? Like,

00:27:15.440 just look at Tablet Magazine. Why don't you take two seconds to read the reports of how

00:27:19.220 at that music festival, women got raped next to their friends' dead bodies. They would rape women.

00:27:26.240 They would kill the women. Then they would rape somebody right next to the dead body of their

00:27:29.920 friend. I guess she doesn't read past, I don't know, her Hamas issue talking points. Here's another

00:27:36.700 guy. I-24 News from Israel has been doing great reporting. This is emergency responder Yossi Landau

00:27:43.340 describing what he saw at Kibbutz B'eri and Kibbutz Khafara's Aza. Those are two of the main

00:27:49.760 areas targeted with families. These are all families, including children. What he saw,

00:27:55.000 his manner is very flat. He's got sort of a flat affect in all of this. And I, I wonder this poor

00:28:01.220 guy, whether it's what he has to do, but take a listen to what he says he saw, Sat Naim.

00:28:07.180 When we go to the next house and we see, in the living room, to see two parents, father

00:28:16.980 and mother, hand tied in the back. And in the other side, against them, the children, two

00:28:28.180 small children, and each of them were torched. I saw 20 children together with the hand tied

00:28:35.760 in the back. And they were burned, they shot and burned in piles.

00:28:42.740 20 children shot and burned in a pile, Yossi?

00:28:46.060 And two piles. I saw bodies that I never saw in my life, 670 bodies.

00:28:51.460 Hmm. And forgive me. I had him confused with another guy who we also watched, a military

00:28:57.880 guy who offered similar reports. I, Eliana, you don't, you don't hear that and say, my God,

00:29:07.140 let me put out a new statement. I am devastated by what has happened to these poor, innocent

00:29:13.520 children. Then I have no use for you. None, none. I don't want to see, I, I don't, I, somebody

00:29:22.860 else can hire these people if they want, but I'm not rooting for it. I don't want to see

00:29:26.900 them do well. I don't, I'm, I'm now rooting against them the same way I'd be rooting against

00:29:31.960 them. If they cheered ISIS burning people in the cages, the same way I'd be trying to get,

00:29:38.380 keep them away from me and anything good. If they cheered the beheading of Daniel Pearl,

00:29:44.080 it's that disgusting. It's the, I have no quarter for these people either. They're uninformed,

00:29:51.040 but I don't believe that. I think they are following the news. They just don't care.

00:29:54.720 They genuinely see Israel as evil and as the, as the original perpetrator of atrocities,

00:30:01.140 which is ignorant and blind. And why are they so blind? I believe it's because they hate Jews.

00:30:07.380 There is a common strain in most of this commentary from the people we showed,

00:30:12.520 and it is Jew hatred. That's putting a fine point on it, but it's what I believe.

00:30:19.100 Megan, you know, I do think that this has served as a clarifying moment, um, about the state of our

00:30:27.400 university campuses in this country. We've focused on the students and the student groups thus far,

00:30:32.960 but it is worth taking a moment to reflect on what university presidents, university administrators,

00:30:40.100 um, and other adults on these campuses have said, because it is almost as shocking. The statements

00:30:47.520 that have come out of the presidents of Harvard, president of Yale, um, administrators at Columbia

00:30:53.180 have been mealy mouth, um, morally backward. They've done, um, almost everything they could to avoid,

00:31:01.780 um, the reality of the barbaric terrorism carried out against Israel. And, um, at Harvard stood by for

00:31:11.400 as long as they could, uh, silent when those student groups came out and did what they did. Um,

00:31:17.700 it took them six days, I think, after those groups spoke out for Harvard to say a thing and to be shamed

00:31:23.460 by former Harvard president, Larry Summers, um, about their silence. And for the past 10 or 15 years,

00:31:31.280 um, they've created an environment where anybody with a dissenting opinion on campus is harassed,

00:31:38.880 uh, and heckled and where there's very little intellectual freedom. So in a way, um, it's hard to

00:31:46.580 break, it's hard to blame these students. Um, this is what you get when you hire professors and you elevate

00:31:54.400 university, uh, administrators with a DEI bureaucracy and you admit students, um, without merit in mind,

00:32:03.020 but as, um, as, as a result, uh, filtering for all of these other things, this is what you get.

00:32:08.780 That's, that's definitely what they did. You're starting to see, uh, donors and, uh, others push

00:32:17.020 back, close their checkbooks and shame these people. Um, but I think it's, it's going to take

00:32:22.760 another 10, 15, 20 years to reverse this. Um, if the outrage lasts. The president of Harvard has just

00:32:31.480 beclowned herself and she's just made an utter fool out of herself. Her name is Claudine Gay.

00:32:38.220 And she whiffed it on the first statement. Then there was all blowback, as you point out,

00:32:43.480 Lauren Sommer, former, uh, Dean of Harvard, Richter. Then finally she put out a second

00:32:48.080 statement, which was almost no better. Then more and more controversy. Then finally she puts out a

00:32:53.840 third statement. And let me just, after years, years of Harvard punishing people for wrong think

00:33:03.840 and wrong speak on these revered leftist issues from BLM to transgender, he Googled down the,

00:33:13.640 down the list. It has finally discovered the value of, he was bounced for saying boys might be better

00:33:21.280 and might be better at math. He was bounced out of his job from there. You know, that was 20 years ago.

00:33:26.360 That's right. Actually, I forgot about that. Lauren Summers, the guy who criticized her,

00:33:30.700 her, her, who one of her present predecessors was bounced for saying men might be better at math.

00:33:35.060 We covered on this show, Roland Fryer, Roland Fryer, who's a black professor at Harvard.

00:33:39.380 I believe in the econ department who was doing these reports, these, these studies on, um,

00:33:45.820 well, there was one on quote, acting white controversial theory that explains the underperformance

00:33:50.560 of some young black Americans. Um, according to the idea that they risk being stigmatized by their

00:33:55.580 peers for high academic achievement and 2019, he was suspended for two years. They, they blamed it on

00:34:00.360 an allegation of sexual harassment, but the truth is he was doing controversial research that didn't

00:34:06.500 line up with the BLM narrative, did not line up with the BLM narrative. And, um, I mean, this has

00:34:12.420 been completely debunked. There's an amazing documentary about what they did to Roland Fryer because he's a

00:34:17.080 black man saying the wrong things. He's saying all the wrong things. They booted him off campus

00:34:21.980 on Harvard. 94% of students surveyed said they had self-censored in conversations with their peers.

00:34:30.840 88% felt they could not express an opinion because of how others would respond. It's to the point where,

00:34:36.240 um, one of the professors there, Kit Parker, a bioengineering professor said service members,

00:34:41.760 meaning military service, feel hesitant to disclose their military status to their classmates

00:34:46.080 because they're afraid that being military will be so condemned on this campus. The, the president

00:34:53.600 of that university, Claudia and gay now net chooses now to say, you know, free speech. We love opinions

00:35:03.460 of all kinds, especially the recent ones. I'm sure is what she was telegraphing. Listen to her

00:35:10.480 and our university embraces a commitment to free expression. That commitment extends even to views

00:35:19.900 that many of us find objectionable, even outrageous. We do not punish or sanction people for expressing

00:35:28.520 such views, but that is a far cry for endorsing them. It's in the exercise of our freedom to speak

00:35:37.400 that we reveal our characters and we reveal the character of our institution.

00:35:44.920 So, I mean, sure. Great. She's, she's the new Thomas Jefferson, Emily. She's all about the first,

00:35:52.420 let's go free speech, America. Yeah. She is just like Floyd Abrams getting up there to argue

00:35:58.060 about our free speech rights. Let, let it fly. Okay. Here's what I want us to do. The three of us,

00:36:05.180 let's go later this week or later this month when, when Eliana gets her voice back and let's

00:36:09.620 organize a protest on campus in favor of the reality that women are women and only women can

00:36:15.060 be women. We are the only women. That's it. That's the tweet. As the kids say, let's, let's go get a

00:36:21.960 protest at going on a Harvard about how Ibram X. Kendry was a complete fraud. And so is the BLM

00:36:28.680 movement. Yeah. BLM is a fraud. Claudine, come on, support my free speech rights. Let's do this.

00:36:36.160 Let's let professors in class say that shit and see if they can get away with it. She's a fraud.

00:36:42.720 And this is rooted in the definition of hate speech that lumps in arguments that were previously

00:36:49.260 non-controversial because they're obviously true about men and women being defined as hate speech,

00:36:55.300 right? So if you were to go to Harvard and, and have this, Eliana's got a bullhorn because her

00:37:00.140 voice is back and she's chanting about men and women, uh, in, in college sports, that's going to

00:37:06.000 be considered hate speech. It's going to be a much easier decision for Harvard to call that hate speech.

00:37:11.660 And maybe this situation will change them for the future because maybe they'll have realized that they,

00:37:17.120 they, they screwed up their standards and now to save face, they have to let people say these things

00:37:21.780 on campus. But previously you were actually, I mean, when I was a student, I didn't want to do

00:37:26.100 mandatory pronoun training and they like called me, uh, you know, that they said that I had committed

00:37:31.500 an act of, uh, an act of like violence against the transgender community at my school, uh, that this

00:37:37.620 was all some sort of like harassment campaign. They tried to get my student group suspended. It was like

00:37:43.460 insane. That was 2015 just for saying, I didn't want to do mandatory pronoun training. Uh, so they

00:37:49.180 have been doing this for years and years and years and years, uh, in the other direction.

00:37:53.320 And suddenly when it's inconvenient for them to have a broad definition of hate speech, when people

00:37:59.140 are talking about hang gliders, hang gliders that were used to massacre Jews, that's not hate speech

00:38:06.560 when people are embracing, uh, or, or suddenly we, we have to have this broad definition of what is

00:38:11.820 and what isn't allowed. Uh, but for the past 20 something years, you know, it's, it's been very narrow

00:38:16.540 that anything that isn't leftist is hate speech. They have been the ones that have been leading

00:38:20.560 that movement. And it has been the movement that has torn the country apart and they have been the

00:38:24.900 vanguard in that fight. And that's by the way, why you see these students saying things that are so

00:38:30.080 profoundly stupid. It's because they haven't been taught how to think granted when things are as

00:38:35.160 black and white as they were last week, it's still their fault. But in general, they sound so stupid

00:38:40.680 because they've never been challenged. These ideas have just been allowed to metastasize in the

00:38:45.080 shadows of public attention with taxpayer money, taxpayer subsidies for years and years and years.

00:38:50.680 And they're utterly ridiculous and they've never been challenged. And that's why they're so

00:38:54.720 incoherent and stupid at the end of the day. And by the way, I've heard from like a dozen

00:38:59.500 conservative students a year who are afraid to write that men and women are different or about

00:39:03.920 the second amendment or anything for their campus newspaper, because their career will be ruined.

00:39:07.880 They think down the road. And now this happens one time and we're all supposed to,

00:39:12.320 you know, throw up our hands and have sympathy. It's just so stupid.

00:39:15.080 Well, I will say on the, on this issue, you know, I hate to say it this way, but it just,

00:39:20.420 it really captures what it is. Jew hatred, antisemitism. I don't think you get that from

00:39:25.440 your college professor. I don't. I think you go into college with it. I think you were more than

00:39:31.460 likely raised with it. And it's a chicken egg scenario. Did you become this way because you

00:39:37.140 met this professor or did you go to that professor because you shared the same ideology and you wanted

00:39:43.060 to hear him or her say all the terrible things about the Zionists, right? I mean, Barry Weiss's

00:39:50.420 story is a good one. She went to Columbia. She sat there as this obviously rabid antisemite was saying

00:39:58.160 stuff about Israelis. It was super focused on Israel and the Zionist regime. And she challenged him.

00:40:04.680 She was like, this is bullshit. Obviously she is Jewish and she's been very outspoken on these issues.

00:40:09.660 And she was shamed by some for doing that. Now this person, the same professor is outing themselves

00:40:17.000 saying more controversial stuff. I'll get to it in a minute, but I'm just saying this, he couldn't

00:40:22.380 turn Barry, right? That people who show up with an open loving heart toward Jewish people cannot be

00:40:30.580 turned by one of these radical professors. At least most cannot. I believe most of these people arrive

00:40:36.520 there because Jew hatred is a thing. It's a thing sadly in this country. And in the same way that

00:40:42.120 we were told wrongly by BLM for the past three years, that racists are lurking everywhere and

00:40:47.980 they're not. The, the failure to point out the antisemitism appears to be near ubiquitous in this

00:40:54.960 country was a failure because it is. And lurking in the left and the right.

00:41:00.000 It was right out in the open when it came to a lot of the BLM activists as well. We had

00:41:05.440 Tamika Mallory, who was the leader of the women's March had previously praised rabid antisemite

00:41:10.720 Louis Farrakhan. I mean, this is like not brand new at all. And I think it also goes hand in hand

00:41:16.400 with America hatred, which is absolutely something that our culture has been been teaching people

00:41:20.420 for a long time. And when you fuse those two ideologies, it's very, very dark.

00:41:24.320 Yeah, you're exactly right. We played, I think it was on Friday, Patrice Cullors,

00:41:28.560 one of the BLM founders saying explicitly, she wanted Israel wiped off the map. Like Israel had

00:41:33.640 to go. So, I mean, it's, and nevermind the, you know, BLM Chicago chapter tweeting out the

00:41:39.480 hand gliders and celebrating the victory of these Hamas terrorists, not disowned, not even disavowed

00:41:46.760 by BLM national. So we're seeing a pattern. Stand by quick break more with the EJs in two

00:41:54.300 minutes. Welcome back to the Megan Kelly show. My guests today, the EJs, Emily Jashinsky and

00:42:02.520 Eliana Johnson. So we'll spend some more time in the media in a bit, but I do want to give a hat

00:42:09.880 tip to Anderson Cooper at CNN, who I guess tip of the hat, I should say, who, who's over there and

00:42:17.080 provided just an absolutely chilling account of what he found reporting from Israel. He posted it

00:42:24.860 on Saturday. Here's a bit of it. It's about a minute long.

00:42:27.540 From some cars, the IDF has retrieved dash cam videos that show Hamas gunmen roaming the site

00:42:34.620 for hours, shooting freely. This one shows a bloodied hostage being led away. Then under the

00:42:40.800 car, you can see another man hiding. He moves slightly, then stops. A gunman runs right up to

00:42:47.100 him and shoots him point blank in the head or upper body. This is dash cam video of a Hamas gunman

00:42:52.560 tossing a grenade into a shelter. When a man runs out trying to escape, they fire on him

00:42:57.940 repeatedly. In another shelter, a few miles north of the festival site, about 30 people tried to hide.

00:43:06.880 A man named Noam Cohen recorded inside. We aren't going to show you what happened next.

00:43:11.860 Cohen says Hamas gunmen repeatedly tossed grenades into the shelter. People inside were blown apart.

00:43:17.700 It's one of the most gruesome videos we've ever seen.

00:43:23.000 This is some of the aftermath. Noam Cohen survived hiding under body parts. We found the shelter in

00:43:29.720 the town of Alamin yesterday evening. Someone had put a curtain up over the doorway, but nothing could

00:43:35.820 hide the smell as you enter. My cameraman, Neil Hallsworth, who's experienced a lot of war,

00:43:43.080 began to retch and had to step outside. There's bloody handprints on the wall.

00:43:56.000 There's blood smeared on the walls.

00:44:01.080 Alamin just got wrenching, got wrenching. And those reports of families going down to their bomb

00:44:08.720 shelters. Virtually all of these homes had them. What does that tell you? Only to be smoked out

00:44:16.340 by fires. Hamas was setting then fire to their homes and firsthand texting to family members saying,

00:44:24.380 they're smothering us. The family with two, three kids, three little kids was texting. This has all

00:44:29.220 been documented. They're smothering us. We can't breathe. And so what do you do?

00:44:33.640 Do you choose to die from the smoke inhalation and burn to death? Or do you choose to run out and be

00:44:40.300 shot? This particular family chose to run out and they were all shot. They were shot to death.

00:44:46.980 I just, I'm so disturbed, Eliana. I'm so disturbed by the fact that we in this country aren't unified

00:44:55.420 on these horrors. I get terrorists that have, we've had enough exposure to them over the past 20 years.

00:45:02.360 I get, I don't get us. What's happening to us.

00:45:11.680 As I said before, Megan, I think a lot of it does go back to

00:45:15.640 the rot in our educational system. Um, cause we're putting out adults into the world who are

00:45:23.860 educated by people who can't put out a statement that has any moral clarity about these events.

00:45:30.500 And, um, you know, you get, you get what you educate. Um, these are the adults that are

00:45:37.960 premier educational institutions in this country. Um, and also look at some of the lawmakers in

00:45:44.960 Congress. Um, and it is worth saying, I think that going back to going back to 9-11, there was a direct

00:45:52.900 attack on, on this country. Um, there were lawmakers who voted against going to war, um,

00:46:00.260 handful of them. We've always had those voices. Um, we've always had those dissident voices in our

00:46:05.640 country, but what really strikes me, and this goes back a bit to, um, our previous segment on the

00:46:11.100 universities is we see university leaders and leaders elsewhere. Every time there's anti-Semitism,

00:46:18.640 um, expressed on university campuses, they call for free speech. Um, of course there was no,

00:46:25.360 you know, during the Black Lives Matter movement, there was no free speech for racist views. We

00:46:29.660 never heard calls for free speech then, but anytime there's, um, virulent anti-Semitism expressed,

00:46:35.680 um, then you hear them cry for free speech. What's striking to me though, is they never tell you what

00:46:41.000 they think. They of course are free to express their own views. The president of Harvard, Claudine Gay,

00:46:46.480 what does she think about these acts? The president of the University of Pennsylvania,

00:46:50.760 the president of Yale, what do they personally think? They're free to tell their students

00:46:54.700 and show some goddamn leadership. What do they think personally? Um, nobody's calling for the

00:47:00.580 silencing of these dissident voices on campuses. Those idiot students are free to put out their own

00:47:05.520 views. Nobody's calling for them to shut up. What, you know, what are the leaders at these schools

00:47:11.140 sakes? Show some leadership. That's exactly right. I'm, I'm thrilled they're, they're going out and

00:47:18.100 showing their, their beliefs. Thrilled. I would never shut that down. I didn't believe in shutting

00:47:22.700 down. I, I also think like the kneeling at the games, I'm not for it, but great. Show us who you

00:47:27.040 are. Let me see exactly which of you gets on the knee because you don't stand for America. Good to

00:47:32.700 know. Good to know. That's one of the beauties of living in this country is that you're allowed to do

00:47:35.960 that stuff. And then we're allowed to change our opinions of you. We are. Um, I don't know because

00:47:41.920 it's not just students, you know, it's, we're seeing sort of this coalition amongst like the squad

00:47:48.200 and then another piece of the coalition on, I don't know what faction of the right it is. Is it

00:47:53.920 some smaller faction of the populist rate? Cause it's not all populist, you know, right? Trump is

00:47:58.920 tweeting out pro-Israel statements, but kind of joining together on this messaging. And that's,

00:48:05.180 I'm going to leave that in the air. Emily Jashinsky, as I take a quick break and come

00:48:08.140 back to you on it. Stand by. Welcome back to the Megan Kelly show. My guest today,

00:48:15.100 Emily Jashinsky, culture editor at the Federalist and host of the Federalist radio hour and Eliana

00:48:20.160 Johnson, who is fighting through her raspy voice for us. She's editor in chief of the Washington free

00:48:27.000 beacon and co-host of the podcast ink stained wretches. All right, ladies. So just to continue the

00:48:33.380 reaction here at home and just, I mean, to me, it's been shocking as I see people who I really

00:48:39.560 previously respected, or at least kind of respected, take incredibly insane positions.

00:48:46.720 Now this particular woman is on the left, but I always thought was a voice of relative reason on

00:48:52.820 the left. Bernie Sanders supporter. That's fine. I don't care. Crystal Ball was a Bernie Sanders

00:48:57.280 supporter too. I've always liked her. We have political differences, but I think she's got sane

00:49:01.520 views. This woman is Brianna Joy Gray. She's been on this program before and she tweeted out and then

00:49:11.060 I'll play you, um, a clip in response to Anthony Blinken, the secretary of state saying what separates

00:49:18.220 Israel, the U S and other democracies when it comes to difficult situations, um, like this is our respect

00:49:24.740 for international law and the laws of war and adding that Hamas uses people as human shields. That is all

00:49:30.800 true. 100% true. And you don't have to believe me. I actually pulled it just for kicks. Um, NATO

00:49:37.340 2019 NATO report, the practice of using human shields is common to most violent extremists operating in the

00:49:43.680 Gaza strip. And they go on to provide the details, including they, they, uh, they've noted that, um,

00:49:50.060 even in this conflict, Hamas has called for Gaza residents to remain in the crossfire. They like

00:49:55.040 civilian casualties. They want it. They use them for propaganda. They use the civilians as human shields so

00:50:00.700 that the Israelis won't bomb, uh, their military targets. That's why they have their headquarters

00:50:04.960 underneath the hospital. So just Anthony, Anthony Blinken's correct. That is what Hamas does. And

00:50:10.500 we are different. We don't do that. And neither does Israel. Her response was the decapitated baby

00:50:18.080 lie, the lies about rape. What, what lie is that Brianna? Because I've seen for myself, at least one

00:50:24.860 picture of a baby lying in its crib, surrounded by blood, including around the neck. So do we actually need

00:50:29.380 to see the head separated from the body? What would satisfy you? What, what would make you see that

00:50:34.000 babies, and do we really care? Do we care if it had its head chopped off or if it was burned or if it

00:50:39.060 was shot? Walk me through what would persuade you, Brianna, that we've got a real problem on our hands

00:50:43.740 with these Hamas terrorists. Is it, what, what do they need to do to the baby? What kind of motion

00:50:48.440 picture would you like to see to make you actually believe that these are actual terrorists? But anyway,

00:50:54.940 the decapitated baby lie, the lies about rape, I guess tablet has been completely wrong. The women

00:51:00.460 didn't get raped next to the dead bodies of their friends. Brianna knows better than the reporters

00:51:04.540 who are there talking to those who survived the massacre. 260 were dead, but on the ground reporters

00:51:11.080 went and actually asked the people what happened. But Brianna sitting at her desk, she knows better,

00:51:15.240 you see, because she went to Harvard Law School. She's educated. She's one of the elite. So she sees

00:51:20.660 through the nonsense, gal. She sees the lie. It was all to establish some moral distinction between

00:51:28.580 the piles of bodies killed by Israel and the pile of bodies killed by Hamas. Neither Hamas nor Israel

00:51:36.860 respects international law. But this is the shell game played to justify continued U.S. support of ethnic

00:51:44.400 cleansing. So the U.S. is supporting Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestine, where the population has

00:51:53.680 what, I don't know, triple some, some huge number over the past some 40 years. Never mind when Israel

00:51:58.400 turned over the entire region to Gaza or to Hamas. Ultimately, in any event, the Palestinian numbers

00:52:04.040 have gone up, not down. So they're terrible ethnic cleansers. The Israels, they suck at it,

00:52:08.820 the Israelis. This is her take. OK, it's all we want to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians.

00:52:16.640 And therefore, we're making up lies about the dead babies and the rapes lies that Anderson Cooper

00:52:22.540 video lies. He's in on it. It's like Alex Jones with his Anderson Cooper in front of the green screen.

00:52:28.860 I saw he made up Sandy Hook. He was part of it. Sure. Yes. Brianna, you are officially

00:52:33.680 in Alex Jones territory. Welcome to the insane, bizarre parade. Here she is. She hosts what used

00:52:42.420 to be Crystal and Saga show on Rising. Emily, you go. You're on this. And she had this crazy

00:52:51.540 exchange with Robbie Suave, who's more there. She sort of she's been sort of left but reasonable.

00:52:57.800 And he's been like, right. But like, no one's extreme. Not this day in a very, very heated

00:53:04.640 exchange that kind of stemmed off of similar allegations by her. Watch.

00:53:09.540 There is still this embellishment, and I believe it is rooted in a desire to strip humanity from

00:53:14.340 the people of Palestine and justify doing what Max Miller and a number of other officials in the

00:53:19.020 Israeli government have said. Max Miller is an obscure Republican official. It does not matter what

00:53:23.040 he says. So every leftist, wait a minute, Robbie, every leftist in America was asked to apologize for

00:53:27.240 some random protest. They should apologize. They should apologize for their endorsement of terrorist

00:53:31.360 attacks on innocent Israeli civilians, just as I am outraged by the retaliatory actions that are

00:53:36.980 killing innocent Palestinian children everywhere. I care about both of these things and have said I

00:53:41.260 care about both of these things over and over again. It is you and the idiotic leftist terrorist

00:53:47.340 sympathizing people who do not care about the dead Israelis. They don't. And they've said it over and

00:53:52.380 over again. Black Lives Matter has said it. The Harvard students have said it. The DSA in various locations

00:53:57.000 have said it. The left endorses what Hamas did. They do. They endorse it.

00:54:02.480 The Harvard newspaper said exactly what the editorial page of Israel's major newspapers.

00:54:06.960 I don't give a f**k, Brianna.

00:54:09.000 Okay, well, that's clear that that's your opinion. But the Israeli voices in Israel who are getting killed

00:54:14.800 because their fascist right-wing government decides to keep 2.5 million people.

00:54:18.800 The Israelis are getting killed because a terrorist group targeted them.

00:54:21.460 Hmm. Emily, this is used to work there. Now you're now you help Crystal and Sagar on their

00:54:29.020 independent venture, but they're not normally quite that fiery. This issue has really divided

00:54:34.120 people. And I have to say what she's saying is absolutely outrageous to me. I mean, it's

00:54:37.660 absolutely outrageous to me. What sane person questions? Oh, the decapitated baby lie, the rape

00:54:45.600 lie. What the hell does she know? She she's suggesting women. How does she know anything?

00:54:52.220 That's just absolute. That's Holocaust denialism. That's what that is.

00:54:58.780 I like Brianna. And if that exchange, if I were involved in that exchange,

00:55:03.200 how I would have responded is actually that Haaretz is what she was referring to,

00:55:08.700 the Israeli newspaper that allegedly said the same thing as the Harvard statement.

00:55:12.760 I think that there was a huge distinction between those two statements. One, first of all,

00:55:17.880 is coming from an Israeli paper that obviously has been covering at the time of that editorial,

00:55:23.200 all kinds of stuff. And it kind of goes without saying that they condemn the slaughter of Jews.

00:55:29.520 On the other hand, also, the Harvard statement said that Israel was entirely to blame. We saw that

00:55:35.700 in a lot of the statements entirely to blame. And so I think and I have actually been thinking

00:55:40.820 about this a lot as I've listened to some of these arguments over the last week, there's this very

00:55:44.920 visceral anger, frustration, rage among some people on the left about the way Western media

00:55:52.760 oftentimes and Western media has a whole lot of problems. And I think we all agree with that.

00:55:58.880 We'll take like that I-24 report, which I believe said that there were 40 beheaded babies at

00:56:06.160 Kefaraza. And, you know, because that number might not be exactly accurate. We saw this sort of

00:56:12.740 eruption of that visceral frustration. A lot of people on the American left have with Western media

00:56:17.920 because they just think all of the Palestinians get ignored and they're the ones that are suffering

00:56:23.220 under the oppression of colonialism, et cetera, et cetera. I completely disagree with the history there.

00:56:28.040 I think that's where it comes from. And I think it was really, really, really unfortunate to see a lot

00:56:34.980 of that on display last week in the aftermath of the slaughter of innocence to do that within a few

00:56:42.620 days. I mean, I get that there are serious concerns, but Hamas is bragging about using civilians as

00:56:48.760 human shields. They are right now telling people not to evacuate, saying things like you have two

00:56:54.180 options or we have two options as the Palestinian people to fight or to die in our homes. That is

00:57:01.420 the kind of language that treats civilians as martyrs, not as people who should be trying to

00:57:06.140 find safe passage to Egypt or other ways to evacuate, which the community is the global community is

00:57:11.520 actually working on. But to tell people to die in their homes, that is using civilians as human

00:57:18.380 shields. That is not evacuating civilians in a way that ensures they will be muddled together with

00:57:24.020 the military population in Gaza, knowing that Israel is going to retaliate because hundreds, more than

00:57:29.620 a thousand of their people were slaughtered in cold blood, ambushed at their homes, at a music

00:57:37.520 festival. These two things are not the same and they're not justified, even if you believe that there

00:57:43.860 were decades of colonial oppression. So I think to do anything but to blame Hamas for the situation that

00:57:53.240 it's putting its own civilians in, in the context of this last week, is really, really wrong.

00:57:59.920 I mean, the fact like it's so just dishonest, Eliana, to say these are lies told by the media.

00:58:09.580 You know, they're trying to tell they're trying to suggest Hamas did evil things to draw a moral

00:58:15.620 distinction between the evil Hamas and Israel. That's what she's saying in this tweet. She says

00:58:20.840 these lies were to establish a moral distinction between the pile of bodies from Israel and those

00:58:26.200 from Hamas. There is a moral distinction. There is a moral distinction between Hamas and Israel,

00:58:32.060 whether she wants to see it or not. And she can delude herself all she wants based on how many

00:58:36.880 babies were decapitated. Was it 40? Was it four? Was it one? Versus, and ignore all the evidence. Did

00:58:43.260 you see the, did you see the picture from Netanyahu of the burned babies? Are you one of the loonies,

00:58:48.040 Brianna who decided to do a little AI investigation on the picture like Tim Poole only to later find

00:58:55.920 out, Oh, whoops, I embarrassed myself. It's real. How about the one of the dead stabbed shot? Couldn't

00:59:02.360 tell because they blurred it a baby in its crib. How about the bloody other crib that they tweeted out?

00:59:08.020 How about the many bloody playrooms that they tweeted out? How about the Anderson Cooper?

00:59:12.000 Like to run with it's a lie, right? And it's meant to like manipulate you into thinking Hamas is evil

00:59:21.080 unfairly, Eliana. It truly is Alex Jones territory. Like you really are. You've gone off the deep end.

00:59:26.620 You need to be reeled in. And I don't know in her case what the motivation is, whether it's an

00:59:30.880 anti-Semitism thing, what it is, but it's disgusting because the evidence is overwhelming

00:59:36.840 that Hamas is murdering children and the elderly and the disabled. And if you don't believe that,

00:59:44.660 why don't you believe Hamas's own videos where they have little babies hostage right now? What

00:59:49.580 is that? Is that okay? Did the Israelis do that? Brianna, is that cool with the international rules

00:59:54.640 of war? It's a no. Show me the international rules of war that Israel has broken. They try

01:00:01.820 not to kill civilians. They attack military targets. They drop a warning bomblet on the

01:00:09.380 buildings that they're about to bomb to let the people know the real bomb is coming. Get out.

01:00:13.460 They drop, they send text messages to the Palestinians saying a bomb is coming. Evacuate now.

01:00:18.980 My God, she's right. Like they're, she's, she's wrong to say that there's no moral distinction

01:00:26.760 between these two. There's a world of moral distinction between the two.

01:00:31.820 Well, I actually think this is a really sinister mode of argumentation that you're seeing, not just

01:00:38.100 from her, but there was a Los Angeles Times reporter who also seized on this fact on Twitter.

01:00:44.840 And it is to seize on a detail and saying this hasn't been proven. And the effect or the intended

01:00:52.460 effect is to make others question the reality in front of them. Well, if babies weren't beheaded,

01:01:00.600 how can we know if all of these other things are true? The intended effect is to say, did these

01:01:07.040 events really happen? Question what you're being told from the press. Question the pictures that

01:01:13.700 you're seeing. Question the videos that are being putting, that are being put out. Question the reality.

01:01:18.880 Unfortunately, unfortunately, Hamas intentionally broadcast footage. And I'd be happy to get in an

01:01:28.420 argument about were the babies beheaded or were they merely shot in their cribs? Were there 11 bloody

01:01:36.240 handprints or were there 20? Because that's the path they're going to go down. And I don't think it's

01:01:41.660 actually a winning argument for that. In terms of the moral high ground, of course, that's the battle

01:01:50.660 they're engaged in. But it's lunacy. It's like saying that when the United States was attacked on

01:01:58.400 Pearl Harbor, the United States did not have the moral high ground. And Germany also declared war on

01:02:04.640 the U.S. The United States did not have the moral high ground. By the way, the U.S. made no distinction

01:02:10.360 when it retaliated against Germany and Japan between members of the Nazi party and civilians.

01:02:19.580 War is a terrible, terrible, terrible thing. And but in this case, there's only one party to blame

01:02:27.580 for starting a war. And we know that. So it's not just Brianna Joy Gray, who listen, I have no

01:02:35.340 personal animus against her. I have known her to be a very pleasant person. I just think this position

01:02:40.740 is absolute insanity. It's absolute insanity. And no surprise, we saw some of it over on The View,

01:02:49.060 where Sonny Hostin pretended to be an expert on international war crimes and declared Israel guilty.

01:02:56.020 And, you know, you can imagine, I believe Joy Behar is Jewish. The reaction from some of her

01:03:01.980 Jewish colleagues and non-Jewish colleagues, I'm Catholic. I can see it very clearly. By the way,

01:03:07.560 just as an aside, these lunatics on Twitter over the weekend were tweeting out videos of Ben Shapiro

01:03:12.340 years ago on Joe Rogan saying he doesn't believe Jesus was Christ. We know he's Jewish.

01:03:19.340 Oh my God. This isn't going to attempt to get Christians riled up against Ben Shapiro. Guess what?

01:03:25.980 He thinks that Jesus was just a man. We're aware and we don't give a shit.

01:03:33.300 Whoa. I'm going to have to talk to Ben.

01:03:37.980 Unlike those who are radical Islamists, we in the Christian world and most of the sane world,

01:03:43.580 no matter what your religion, don't give a damn if you don't practice our religion.

01:03:47.980 We don't care. We don't care if you don't agree with all the things we agree with.

01:03:51.660 In any event, here's Sonny Hostin over on The View accusing Israel of war crimes.

01:03:58.480 I think that we all know that Hamas has been designated a terror organization like the Proud Boys

01:04:06.260 here in the United States. There is an international human rights body of law. And when you look at that

01:04:13.200 law, part of it is retaliation against innocent civilians collectively is also terror and is also

01:04:23.100 a war crime. What Israel is saying consistently is, if you want your water, if you want your

01:04:29.180 electricity, release our hostages. In my view, that's not an irrational question. And they should,

01:04:35.040 but in the process, they should really refrain from committing war crimes or terror because they're

01:04:40.780 going to lose the goodwill. I do think it's very important though.

01:04:45.920 Okay. They're not committing war crimes. The ones committing war crimes are Hamas. Again,

01:04:55.400 you, the use of human shields is a war crime. The use of human shields is a war crime.

01:05:04.500 That is Hamas's bread and butter. That's exactly what they do. That's why they have in part those

01:05:12.440 Israeli babies around them. They don't want Israel to bomb them. And therefore they've surrounded

01:05:17.940 themselves with Israel's citizens, some 199 of them and some untold number of Americans too,

01:05:24.640 we believe. Um, okay. This guy, Thomas Wheatley, very interesting piece in USA Today. He's an

01:05:33.860 assistant professor in the department of law at West Point. He wrote a long piece today that was

01:05:38.580 actually great. He's citing article 27 of the Hague convention, noting it places important

01:05:43.580 limitations on siege warfare, demanding that those under attack take all, well, no, that those doing the

01:05:50.300 attack take all necessary steps to spare as far as possible, uh, edifices devoted to religion,

01:05:56.880 art, science, charity, hospitals, and places where the sick and wounded are collected provided they

01:06:01.380 are not used at the same time for military purposes. Well, that's what Hamas, Hamas puts this military

01:06:06.620 headquarters under a hospital because it knows you're not supposed to bomb hospitals. But, uh,

01:06:11.720 there's actually an exception there saying, um, it's, it replaces requirements on the entity being

01:06:18.980 besieged, requiring it to identify all such places by some particular invisible signs, which should be

01:06:25.540 previously notified to the assailants. And they say that this prohibition doesn't even apply if that

01:06:31.340 location is being used at the same time for, for military purposes. So Israel is well within its rights

01:06:37.540 to bomb the hospital. If, if Hamas headquarters is underneath it, it's not nice, but it's not a war

01:06:42.820 crime. Okay. And I, I mean, I don't even know if we're talking about nice at this point, it's babies

01:06:47.100 were murdered, uh, on Moss. Uh, then on the issue of starvation, this is what people like Sonny and

01:06:54.140 others are arguing that the Israelis are starving the Palestinians because they've shut off water and

01:06:59.600 they've shut off the food supply going into Gaza. Has anybody else opened it up? Has Egypt been

01:07:04.240 dropping supplies by helicopter? I wait, I await their intervention. Why does Israel have to save

01:07:10.120 the people who are murdering its babies and it's elderly? I'll wait. Um, okay. Even the United

01:07:15.920 States recognizes it is permissible. It is permissible to seek to starve enemy forces into

01:07:22.120 submission. Even if it means incidentally starving civilians, as long as the incidental starvation is not

01:07:28.680 excessive in retaliation to the military advantage anticipated to be gained. I don't like this. I

01:07:35.280 don't like this any more than anybody else does, but Israel was placed in this position by the Hamas

01:07:41.120 terrorists who run Gaza, not the other way around. It doesn't want to be doing this, but what obligation

01:07:47.500 does it have to feed the military attacking it? Would we make sure that the Nazis were fed when we were

01:07:56.240 fighting them? I mean, Israel has no obligation to continue water or food supplies going into Gaza,

01:08:03.780 which is ground zero of the potential Israeli destruction, which was begun last Saturday.

01:08:11.420 Um, who wants to take that one? Well, I'll just say, and yet they will, uh, you know, they've come to an

01:08:17.180 agreement with us, for example, uh, already when it comes to things like water, uh, it never in the course

01:08:22.600 of, of, of human history is this kind of warfare, something that we demand. It is just completely

01:08:29.800 historically bizarre. And it's also kind of interesting because it's seeds in a way, the

01:08:35.780 moral high ground here to Israel. If you're saying, you know, we believe this, uh, Western small L liberal,

01:08:42.500 uh, concept of war, you know, for instance, there've been esoteric debates about whether settlements,

01:08:47.580 uh, violate the Geneva convention going back years and years and years. Uh, but if you're ceding the

01:08:52.720 moral high ground to, for instance, the Geneva convention, if you're ceding the moral high ground

01:08:57.440 to Israel and the Western democracies that back it and saying they should hold themselves to these

01:09:04.020 standards, et cetera, et cetera, that they do try to hold themselves to. And I would never argue that

01:09:09.420 Israel is absolutely perfect. Um, but perfect is not the same thing as having the moral high ground,

01:09:14.700 of course. And, you know, when you're attacked like this and you're engaging in war, the concept

01:09:20.040 of war in 2023, that we are demanding of Israel, uh, especially when everything is on, on social

01:09:25.520 media and you can see the civilian suffering up close and personal, it is awful. It is agonizing.

01:09:31.940 Um, it, it, it touches people around the world in ways that war never has. I mean, TV was,

01:09:38.120 Vietnam was in the era of TV. Uh, the world wars were in the era of radio and that was bringing this

01:09:43.200 into people's living rooms in new ways. We're seeing something similar right now. We saw something

01:09:47.660 similar with the Arab spring, but this is war. And yes, if you, uh, if you are the people who are

01:09:54.920 telling, uh, the others to evacuate, to evacuate, you have the moral high ground over the group that

01:10:00.880 is telling people to stay and die as martyrs in their homes. That's the thing. I mean, you know,

01:10:09.060 Eliana, it's both like, okay, you're very worried about war crimes. What about Hamas's war crimes?

01:10:14.360 What about that? What about the fact that they are right now using Israeli citizens and their own

01:10:18.660 citizens as human shields that, I mean, all bets are off at this point. You could make the argument

01:10:24.100 that Israel should, should go for it. I mean, that they're, that they're entitled to commit whatever

01:10:27.460 they want, since that's the entirety of the Hamas war plan against Israel. Every little thing they've

01:10:32.720 done, every serious thing they've done has been a war crime. The invasion into Israel,

01:10:37.040 the targeting of all civilians, but the entire invasion was about killing civilians, innocents

01:10:41.580 who had nothing to do with this babies in their cribs. Israel at this point could absolutely make

01:10:46.780 the moral and legal argument that it's entitled to do what it wants. But even what it's doing now

01:10:51.800 is measured and thought out and is not a war crime, but that's what you hear from the left. Okay. And then

01:10:57.800 there's, well, we need proportionality. You need proportionality. You know, you've got to count up the

01:11:05.220 number of dead, 1400 of Israelis, and you can't exceed that number on the Palestinian side or

01:11:10.160 what, what does proportionality look like? Do we, do the Israelis have to go in and start

01:11:13.700 killing babies in their crib, but only a certain number in Palestine or in, in Gaza, or might it

01:11:18.920 be better to just to bomb buildings that they've given an advanced notice that they're going to

01:11:21.560 bomb because they think military headquarters are there. Right. And Victor Davis Hanson also said,

01:11:25.540 and I wrote it down because it's such a good quote, and he's a military expert, just in case people

01:11:28.820 don't know this about Victor. He's brilliant on everything, but he's a true military expert. He studied

01:11:32.620 every big battle, every big war. He knows exactly how they were won and lost. And he said, what is

01:11:37.460 disproportionality? Can anyone show me the war that was ended by proportionate response? I can't think

01:11:44.800 of a thing. It's exactly right. Who says I'm going to do just enough, but not too much to defeat my

01:11:51.940 enemy. Eliana, this is absurd. These are standards only for Israel. The immediate thing that came to

01:12:00.560 thought while you were talking, Megan, was that I think the most prominent expression of

01:12:05.200 anti-Semitism in our culture and in the world is the holding of Israel and Israelis and Jews

01:12:13.200 to standards to which no other nation, no other people are held. And that is true with regards to

01:12:20.000 so-called human rights, to these so-called war crimes. We don't see outcry about actions committed by

01:12:27.420 any other nation across the world. It is only Israel that is held to such standards.

01:12:32.060 There's only outcry by nations of the world when it is Israel that commits them. And there's only

01:12:39.180 debate about whether the Jewish people, among all peoples, should have a nation. There's no debate

01:12:47.020 about whether China should exist. There's no debate about whether Poland should exist. There's only debate

01:12:52.140 about whether Israel to exist. Um, and that in itself, I think is the ultimate expression of

01:12:57.300 anti-Semitism, uh, in our time. The attempt applied to the Jewish people.

01:13:03.220 That's right. And now, you know, you get, again, Hamas is the one committing the war crimes, but the focus

01:13:10.680 has got to be on Israel now in the same way that now you have MSNBC running a death toll graphic that is

01:13:18.940 joint. It's joint. They're not distinguishing, um, between the Israelis and those killed in Gaza. Uh, they

01:13:28.340 just want to sort of say, my God, see how many people have died. It needs to end. That's why they're doing

01:13:31.680 it together. See, it needs to end. This is terrible. Look how many people have died. This is an atrocity

01:13:36.240 over there. Just like the rest of MSNBC's, uh, coverage, which includes Ali Velshi, this Iman

01:13:43.200 Moy Heldon. I don't know how you pronounce his last name. I've seen him in the past. I don't know him.

01:13:47.880 Um, but I'll just give you a flavor for their reporting on this. Here's Ali Velshi.

01:13:55.780 We've had a lot of statements from Americans, mostly Republicans this morning, but some Democrats

01:13:59.580 who, um, it's a bit boilerplate. There's no nuance or recognition of anything that has been going on.

01:14:06.220 Lots of Palestinians have said to me, boy, would they wish that those same Israelis who were out

01:14:10.660 there protesting the so-called judicial reforms would be protesting Israel's inhumane treatment

01:14:15.700 of the Palestinians who live under Israeli occupation. Oh my God. Okay. Before I move on,

01:14:24.060 just let me get Iman's quote in, and then we can talk about both of them. Sot 25.

01:14:29.480 But Hamas is saying, well, if nobody is able to defend what is happening for Palestinians in the

01:14:35.580 West Bank or in East Jerusalem with the home demolitions, the arrests, the children being

01:14:40.020 killed, the desecration of holy sites, if they're unable to do that, then we only have the ability

01:14:46.000 to do it with military might and crude weapons and military. What we're seeing today are very deadly

01:14:50.820 consequences of failed policies, failure on the American administration's part to change the

01:14:56.520 course, to take a different course of action with how it deals with the Palestinians and the Israelis,

01:15:01.280 failure on Israel's part, failure on the region's part to not be able to say this is an issue that

01:15:06.960 matters. Okay. Got it, Emily. It's our fault and it's the Israelis fault. And when he gets to the

01:15:13.180 part where you should say it's Hamas's fault, he says it's the region's, the region's fault.

01:15:18.300 That's who's to blame. And Hamas really was just kind of forced to go military here because of all

01:15:25.420 the strife that it has suffered. Poor Hamas in Gaza. That's just not factual. That is absolute

01:15:33.300 Hamas propaganda. I think a lot of people remember in the years after 9-11, but also, I mean, and this

01:15:41.140 is where the point really comes in, the days after 9-11, people were not at that point saying, you know,

01:15:47.360 most people were not, certainly not on cable news, at least that I remember, although I was very young,

01:15:51.820 having conversations about the United States and the Mujahideen in Afghanistan and Al-Qaeda,

01:15:57.880 Osama bin Laden during the Cold War. That came later. And it's an entirely reasonable conversation

01:16:03.180 to have about American Cold War policy radicalizing. People like Osama bin Laden are contributing to the

01:16:09.100 radicalization in areas like that, to the Mujahideen, et cetera, et cetera. Again, I think these

01:16:13.360 conversations are entirely reasonable. I've literally disagree what both of them just said.

01:16:17.600 And actually, Ali Valshi took the opportunity in the days after Israel, again, suffered mass

01:16:23.160 targeted slaughter to talk about, to smear Israel falsely as an apartheid state on the airwaves of

01:16:31.420 MSNBC. And there's been some reporting that MSNBC has not wanted to have all of these people forward

01:16:35.820 facing in the days after because of this. And if you watch CNN, Dana Bash has been fairly pro-Israel.

01:16:41.240 Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC has been fairly pro-Israel. Some of the media is really polarized on this.

01:16:47.640 I think MSNBC should put these guys out in the air as much as they possibly can so that the

01:16:53.620 arguments can be exposed for the weaknesses that they are based upon. It's the same thing with the

01:16:59.220 college students. I mean, now there's a question of whether a private company, a media company like

01:17:04.080 MSNBC wants to be associated with that for public relations reasons. But at the same time, I mean,

01:17:09.120 I think by all means that they should have these conversations. I think that's why Rising is great,

01:17:14.000 by the way, so that Robbie and Brie can yell at each other. You can see Robbie's sort of righteous

01:17:17.080 indignation in that moment. You can hear the arguments be fleshed out because that is a very,

01:17:21.500 very weak argument in the days. You're bringing, you know, pretty, pretty weak argumentation to the

01:17:28.300 table within days. And it's the last thing I wanted to say was that death counter on MSNBC.

01:17:33.440 That's actually really interesting because I am completely 100% fine with doing that if and only

01:17:40.140 if they are saying that it was the fault of Hamas, that all of these civilian casualties are the fault

01:17:45.420 of Hamas because they 1000% are the fault of Hamas. So if they're going to do that, fine. But they're

01:17:53.600 not, as the clips just showed. That's exactly right. Yeah, I agree with you. I don't want to silence the

01:17:59.640 voices. I'm just not going to hire them. And it's not my cup of tea. I wouldn't be caught dead

01:18:03.840 watching that show. I mean, it was good when like Crystal, I watched a little. No, I wouldn't be

01:18:09.640 caught dead watching. That is not informative. And I don't think it's, well, whatever. I'll just leave

01:18:14.100 it at that. I've been shocked at how many people who I previously respected have added themselves as

01:18:21.360 either know-nothings or anti-Semites since last Saturday. I really have. I don't feel the need to go

01:18:27.440 down all the names because some of them I'm just like kind of wounded by in my heart.

01:18:32.800 And some of them I consider friends and I'm really kind of wrestling with what they've done. Like,

01:18:37.700 I guess it's like a seething anti-Semitism that I didn't know was there. I don't know how

01:18:43.860 my Jewish friends are dealing with this. I really don't. I just feel like I've heard from so many

01:18:48.360 of my Jewish friends and my Jewish audience members who are like reeling. They're reeling right now

01:18:56.260 because they've had this horrible, horrible thing happen to Israel. And in the wake of it,

01:19:00.920 they have so many in their own country just brushing it off. It's like, oh yeah, Hamas had

01:19:06.240 to go military. They had to go military, you know, because of the failures of Israeli policy in the

01:19:11.160 Middle East, Eliana. Can you imagine? Imagine yourself an MSNBC watcher, you know, a leftist who

01:19:17.180 consumes news because you're woke and you're like, okay, I mean, some Jewish people might fall into that

01:19:21.700 category. And then you see these reporters who you trusted saying that shit on the air, completely

01:19:27.320 dismissing, you know, the worst days of killing of Jews since the Holocaust. Like it's, oh, you know,

01:19:34.020 they had to go military. What else were they supposed to do?

01:19:39.000 In many ways, we shouldn't be surprised because we hear that sort, those sorts of excuses made for

01:19:44.600 lots and lots of things and lots of lots of people, whether it's a resort to crime and violence

01:19:50.680 by others in our own country. But one of the things that I think is somewhat surprising and

01:19:57.920 ignorant is that, you know, Hamas has a charter. It was founded in 1987. Ideology plays a big role

01:20:06.300 in the Hamas charter and yet gets no mention by Eamon Moyhaldeen or Ali Valshi on MSNBC. And it does,

01:20:15.460 in many ways, I think, strip these Hamas fighters of agency in ways that they would not want to be.

01:20:24.140 These guys are animated by strong beliefs and a strong ideology. The charter calls for the destruction

01:20:30.580 of Israel and for Muslims to confront, murder, all Jews. And I think it is a mistake not to talk about

01:20:40.580 the animating ideology of this terrorist group. We've seen this movie before. We saw it come to

01:20:46.660 our own country with Al-Qaeda on 9-11. And we should pay attention to what these guys are saying.

01:20:54.060 Um, it's, it's absurd to talk about this merely as a reactive force and an outgrowth, um, and a

01:21:00.660 response to our own actions and Israel's actions. Um, these guys have real beliefs, uh, and they're

01:21:05.960 animated by it. We should, we should pay attention. The, the Hamas charter also says we don't believe

01:21:12.820 in peace negotiations, no peace negotiations. Okay. So that explains the guys with the babies

01:21:20.060 at the top of the show, then it's not to negotiate a peace. And that's the other thing. All these people

01:21:26.080 saying that Israel needs to, you know, negotiate. Maybe now's the time to two state solution, which

01:21:30.800 Hamas has no interest in. They don't want two states. They want one from the river to the sea, only

01:21:34.800 Palestine, no Israel. Um, they're not interested, right? Like there's not going to be negotiations

01:21:41.080 because that's not what Hamas wants. Israel didn't attack Hamas. Israel tried to let Hamas and the

01:21:47.600 Palestinians live peacefully when they handed over Gaza to Hamas, to the Palestinians in 2005. You

01:21:52.220 have it. You have the most beautiful land. You've got even more beautiful land. Look at you right on

01:21:55.980 the water. You can do whatever you want with it. And they, they elected terrorists and things went

01:22:01.500 downhill ever since they've been bombing Israel. They've been driving their own citizens of any

01:22:06.380 opportunity to live a full and robust life. And now the consequences of all of this have led to

01:22:11.500 death, despair, dismay, and a never ending Jew hatred, which, you know, just ask any Palestinian

01:22:18.320 child on the street there. They're taught to hate Jews. And that is true for most Palestinians and not

01:22:23.360 just Hamas members. I mean, that is something that's being taught over there. It's not to condemn all of

01:22:28.880 them, but with a fair amount of this group. Children's textbooks, you know, they are taught that Jews

01:22:34.380 are cows and pigs and subhuman. And in that sense, the children in Gaza really are the victims because

01:22:43.440 their minds are poisoned. They're taught hatred. They are taught antisemitism from the moment they're

01:22:49.340 born. This is what they learn in school. There are summer camps that teach them to be terrorists,

01:22:54.420 that put guns on them. This ideology colors the whole culture. These are the guys, you know,

01:23:01.180 this is the elected government since 2006. These are the folks who are in charge, running it in the

01:23:09.400 same way that the Taliban ran Afghanistan. These guys have had an autocratic, theocratic government

01:23:15.360 in Gaza. It's medieval. I mean, it's a medieval ideology. And you see that with their concept of

01:23:21.300 martyrdom, too. It's back to there's one rule for Israel and there's a different rule for everyone

01:23:28.960 else. In no other war are they saying it needs to be proportionate response, proportionate, right?

01:23:34.360 Like make sure it's perfectly proportionate. In no other war are they saying you have to deescalate

01:23:39.280 the moment of the attack. Did they say that to Ukraine the day that Russia invaded? You know,

01:23:43.860 in the week after Russia has to make sure it deescalate, proportionate. No. And even now to look

01:23:51.180 at Israel and say you got to turn it back on the water. You got to resupply the food to your

01:23:56.580 enemies. You have to do that right now. Really? Without pressuring Egypt or any of the neighbors

01:24:01.060 to try to help. No, just just Israel has to help the one attacking it. We would never say that to

01:24:06.760 anybody else. And by the way, those same demands are not coupled with any realization that Israel

01:24:12.040 has said it will if Hamas releases its hostages. They said, give us back our babies. Give us back

01:24:19.720 our women. Give us back our men. Give us back our civilians. You can have water tomorrow. You can

01:24:24.680 have the food back tomorrow. No one mentions that, that Hamas A caused this and B has a hand in what

01:24:32.240 happens next, short of full surrender. Release the hostages. And they won't. It conveniently gets

01:24:40.200 omitted as yet another thing Hamas has done in holding its own fate in its own hands. And it's

01:24:46.200 responsible for its own behaviors and the consequences of them. Stand by. We're going to do some politics

01:24:51.320 next. Welcome back to the Megyn Kelly show. Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson are back with me,

01:24:59.880 the EJs. So let's talk about the politics of all this. Last week, Trump made headlines for

01:25:09.460 calling Hezbollah smart, which I have to say, I gave him a pass on because if you look at the full

01:25:13.620 context, he was like, they're smart. They're going to know how to, you know, work this to their

01:25:17.680 advantage. He wasn't like Hezbollah is so smart. I wish we could be just like them. So I just,

01:25:21.680 I just feel like, okay, you know, I, I get it. I, I, I take his point there, but then he did attack

01:25:26.440 Bibi Netanyahu at a time when he should not have been attacked. And it just, you know, he attacked

01:25:30.540 him politically. It wasn't the most vicious version of Trump. He could have gone a lot harder, but he

01:25:34.420 did, he did attack him, uh, and blamed him for not helping more in the assassination of, uh,

01:25:40.600 Soleimani, which Israel did help us. Apparently he, they gave us intelligence about where the guy was.

01:25:45.120 And just according to Trump, the night before the attack, Israel didn't want to actually join in

01:25:48.780 the military exercise. That seems to be what Trump was saying. Uh, in any event, the point is just

01:25:53.080 don't attack Bibi Netanyahu this week. Okay. Any other time, but not this week. But since then, Trump

01:25:57.820 has, uh, been standing as tweeting out, truthing out like hashtag I stand with Israel, um, slogans,

01:26:07.180 things like that. He's trying to make sure that he's on the side of the Israelis. I'm trying to find the

01:26:10.620 exact truth social that he sent out so people can see his words. My team knows where those are.

01:26:16.220 Tell me, cause I don't know. Okay. I'll find them. Um, do we have his, uh, in truth, in truth social,

01:26:23.220 he basically came out and said, I kept Israel safe. And he's trying to promote that. Look,

01:26:27.680 the bottom line is Trump gave himself a little bit of fodder. He gave his opponents a little bit of

01:26:31.700 fodder to attack him and attack him. They have DeSantis has been all over Twitter and all over the

01:26:36.960 place this past weekend saying it was inappropriate. It was the wrong time. You shouldn't

01:26:41.880 have done it. But you know, on the other hand, Trump's the one who moved the embassy to Jerusalem.

01:26:46.400 Trump's the one who got the Abraham accords started. I mean, it's really tough to sort of convince

01:26:50.460 pro Israel voters that Trump's not on their side. I don't know. What do you make of it, Emily?

01:26:56.320 Yeah. I thought that attack was absolutely silly over what Trump said about Hezbollah. Um,

01:27:02.100 I think the Netanyahu thing is interesting because, uh, I think this was Glenn Greenwald had an

01:27:07.780 interesting quote last week about how diversity of opinion in Israel is, uh, much, you know,

01:27:12.960 there's much more diversity of opinion about Israel in Israel than there is in the conversation in the

01:27:17.080 United States sometimes. Um, and it's true, like a lot of people in Israel actually pretty upset with

01:27:21.780 Netanyahu and the government right now over how so many civilians were allowed to be attacked so

01:27:27.880 viciously. Um, when, you know, they have this vast intelligence apparatus that they paid for.

01:27:32.780 Um, so I think that is a legitimate conversation. I think dredging up old, uh, irrelevant beefs with

01:27:40.440 him was weird, but at the end of the day, weird and wrong, but at the end of the day really is not

01:27:46.060 going to do much, uh, on, on the side of voters. And I think there's, it's, it's a whiff of desperation.

01:27:51.100 You can sort of get that whiff of desperation from other candidates who were using that, uh, to try to

01:27:57.060 wedge in an attack on Donald Trump because there's still two digits down, uh, easily in just about

01:28:04.020 every state, uh, I think over Trump. I mean, I think maybe the closest is in New Hampshire,

01:28:08.200 but everyone is trailing by huge numbers, the first caucus state, Iowa. Um, so I think they're

01:28:12.740 grasping at straws to try to do anything, but I don't actually think that's going to work with voters.

01:28:17.940 Trump truthed out the following Eliana, what happened with in Israel was barbaric.

01:28:22.400 Now American universities are allowing or enabling the open hatred against Israel and, and America

01:28:28.700 instead of educating our young Americans, uh, deans stand idly by while subversive groups are

01:28:34.480 calling for a national day of resistance. Not only is this antisemitic, it is also anti-American.

01:28:39.040 Good for him. I agree. I completely agree with this. Um, and yet then he went out and he wanted

01:28:46.240 to remind folks of who he actually is and who actually might be to blame in part when it comes

01:28:51.180 to us policy on this dicey issue. Here's thought 14. I kept Israel safe. Remember that I kept Israel

01:28:59.960 safe. Nobody else will. Nobody else can. And I know all of the players, they can't do it,

01:29:06.440 but I kept Israel safe and I will keep Israel safe. Thank you very much.

01:29:13.460 Okay. So this is where this is leading me. The Biden administration, which has given, I think it's,

01:29:18.940 it's released or made possible something like $50 billion to Iran over the past couple of years,

01:29:24.560 not to mention the most recent payment of 6 billion, which was going to go into Iran's hands,

01:29:30.220 uh, which right now is on hold. Thank God under pressure from the right saying,

01:29:35.880 and a couple of Democrats saying, don't do that. Um, now there is a very interesting lawsuit

01:29:44.120 that town hall wrote up today. A woman named Sarah Arnold, uh, recognizing that a Texas federal

01:29:50.440 judge just allowed a lawsuit to advance, alleging that the Biden administration knowingly sent us

01:29:55.920 funds to Palestine, which they understood would run the risk of ending up in hands of terrorists.

01:30:01.500 We knew some of this, but I thought it was very interesting. The details, the judge found that this

01:30:07.960 is from a lawsuit by American first legal. This is the Stephen Miller organization. They've been doing

01:30:12.100 amazing stuff. The judge said AFL's recent production of records shows that the government and she means

01:30:19.140 the Biden administration knew its economic support fund, uh, funding in the West bank and Gaza was

01:30:27.320 benefiting Palestinian terrorists, thereby increasing the risk of terrorist attacks against

01:30:33.640 the plaintiffs and others similarly situated. So this is, they're going to get more documentation

01:30:41.740 on exactly what we funded over there and how much and how many red flags were posted before we did

01:30:48.280 it. So I'm, I appreciate Joe Biden going on 60 minutes and saying the right things this past week

01:30:53.460 about Israel, nothing about Iran, but about Israel, but let's be real. These policies of funding

01:30:59.480 the Palestinians, of funding Hamas indirectly, of funding Iran had a hand in what got us here.

01:31:05.760 A couple of things. I want to give a shout out to free beacon reporter, Adam Credo, who wrote a story

01:31:14.020 on this state department memo. That is the subject of that lawsuit where state department employees

01:31:19.820 were flagging, um, for each other. The fact that they had to seek a treasury department exemption,

01:31:27.300 um, to send this money over to Gaza and said there, they knew they were taking a risk that this money

01:31:34.120 would end up in the hands of terrorists. Um, so I wanted to flag that. And also, yeah, we mentioned

01:31:40.940 that last week to circle back on something, the president, that president Trump said, because I think

01:31:47.020 it's important. And he said, no one's done more to keep Israel safe. I do think it's important for

01:31:51.960 Americans to keep in mind that though the U S and Israel have a close alliance, um, Israel is keeping

01:31:58.260 Israel safe. And it is important to Israel, um, that it is responsible for keeping its own citizens

01:32:05.480 safe. Um, it does not take enormous handouts from the U S and, um, I, and I think it was a mistake

01:32:12.280 for Trump to say that, um, it's also a mistake for him to be going after BB right now. It's stupid.

01:32:18.300 He is picking a bone with BB because BB recognized Biden's election and it's not going to hurt Trump with

01:32:24.620 his voters, but I do think it's a bad, it's a bad sign about where his head is right now, which is

01:32:30.060 still back, um, with bones to pick about who was where on the 2020 election. And in terms of running

01:32:36.340 and campaigning in 2024, uh, it's not a good sign for Trump if his campaign is back in 2020. Um, moving

01:32:43.640 on to Biden, uh, look, Megan, the administration knows it has a problem with Iran. They know the day

01:32:51.580 that, uh, Hamas launched these attacks in Israel. Every Biden administration spokesman was singing

01:32:58.720 the same tune. They were all on television the same day saying not a single dollar of that 6 million

01:33:05.580 has been spent. Not a single dollar has been spent. Now it was strange sort of that they were all saying

01:33:11.540 that at the same time, but, uh, they were trying to get in front of the attacks they knew would come.

01:33:16.640 They know they're vulnerable on this. They know their policy towards Iran has been weak.

01:33:21.480 They know this attack from Hamas on Israel, which is of course, uh, coordinated, uh, whether directly

01:33:27.460 or indirectly, they know Iran had a hand on, they know this is a vulnerable weak point for them.

01:33:34.620 That's right. And that's, that's also why I think despite the Washington post reporting and the wall

01:33:40.780 street journal reporting that Iran did have a hand in planning this, that they met in Beirut with Hamas

01:33:45.820 leadership prior to the attack. Um, the administration keeps saying no evidence,

01:33:50.400 no evidence. Here was the president on that on 60 minutes, um, last night sought for

01:33:55.560 is Iran behind the Gaza war. I don't want to get into classified information, but to be

01:34:04.260 very blunt with you, there is no clear evidence of that at this point, no evidence that Iran is behind

01:34:10.660 any of this. Correct. Now, Iran constantly supports Hamas and Hezbollah. I don't mean that,

01:34:16.180 but in terms of where they, did they have foreknowledge? Did they help plan the attack?

01:34:22.360 There's no evidence of that at this point.

01:34:25.840 I don't know, Emily. I just feel like he's so tied up in them. He's just a continuation of the

01:34:30.740 boneheaded Barack Obama policy to try to be friends with Iran. You know, it was like the mean girl at

01:34:36.620 school who wants nothing to do with you, who would really like to destroy your life. And you just,

01:34:40.700 they're desperate for her to like you. That's us toward Iran that. And it's, it's based in Barack

01:34:45.720 Obama started it. I'm actually going to go through this tomorrow. Um, and he's continuing it. So I

01:34:49.920 just feel like they have a political reason to say, nope, no, I didn't, nothing that we saw

01:34:53.400 nothing, you know, maybe all this other sort of side funding that helps them indirectly, but not

01:34:57.500 directly. Yeah. President Biden has said things that are in contrast with his administration's

01:35:03.460 record, or he's taken a tone that I think is in some contrast with his administration's record.

01:35:07.040 When you look at people like Rob Malley, when you look at what happened under the Obama

01:35:09.940 administration with people like Ben Rhodes, uh, there was this, uh, kind of a campus ideology

01:35:15.700 that had at that point migrated into democratic politics and was installed in the Obama administration

01:35:21.880 in the name of sort of turning a new leaf for Democrats. It's the post-Araq foreign policy of the

01:35:26.900 democratic party. Um, and it's this, this kind of galaxy brain, anti-colonial, uh, anti-colonial

01:35:33.620 ideology that then migrates into having some really devastating consequences from Israel. We know groups

01:35:38.240 like the Brookings institution were bought and paid for by Qatar over the last decade, uh, which

01:35:42.800 shelters Hamas leaders. We know that Rob Malley is under extremely serious investigation right now for

01:35:48.640 potentially allowing like an Iranian spy ring, uh, to, to fester in the ranks of our own

01:35:54.800 government with, uh, just abject sympathy for Iran. So this is a real ideological cause rooted in the

01:36:01.200 Biden administration. And he may want to talk reserved like that now for any number of reasons,

01:36:06.400 but it's hard to take that seriously, that he has a real reason to do it given where his

01:36:10.480 administration has been on this. Emily, Eliana, thank you so much as always. We'll see all the rest of

01:36:17.920 you tomorrow. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - October 16, 2023

Jew Hatred on Display in America, and Free Speech vs. Cancel Culture, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson

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