The Megyn Kelly Show - Jewish Man Killed in California, and Key Election Races to Watch, with John Podhoretz, Christine Rosen, Andy Ngo, and Chris Stirewalt

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00:01:01.380 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:03.300 Live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.760 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.900 As the anti-Israel sentiment across America grows,

00:01:19.220 we are expecting to hear from law enforcement in about an hour updating us on

00:01:23.960 the death of a Jewish man in California and wait until you hear the circumstances.

00:01:29.300 On Sunday afternoon, 69-year-old Paul Kessler was spotted waving an Israeli flag as dueling protests

00:01:36.180 took place between pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian supporters.

00:01:39.400 Exactly what went down a little later is still unclear, but we do know some core facts.

00:01:46.720 We know there was some sort of physical altercation between Kessler and another person.

00:01:51.460 Some have suggested a man threw his megaphone at Kessler.

00:01:55.780 Video showed Kessler on the ground bloodied. A pro-Palestinian woman and others appeared to help him.

00:02:03.580 She was later seen laughing and smiling shortly after helping this man.

00:02:07.620 And then the paramedics arrived. Kessler was taken away by ambulance and while paramedics treated him,

00:02:14.140 a man continued to shout anti-Israel slogans with Kessler's blood visible on the concrete. Watch.

00:02:21.840 Come get our children now! Come get our children now!

00:02:25.920 As a man being taken away on an ambulance,

00:02:29.920 This is the kind of respect these Palestinian protesters are giving.

00:02:40.180 Occupation number!

00:02:45.800 Wow. On Monday, Paul Kessler died.

00:02:52.280 The Ventura County Sheriff's Office says the medical examiner has determined the cause of death was indeed blunt force head injuries

00:02:58.800 and the manner of death has been classified as homicide.

00:03:02.720 So far, no one's been arrested.

00:03:04.880 But this would hardly be the only incident of anti-Jewish hatred we have seen over the past month

00:03:10.560 since Israel was attacked by terrorists.

00:03:13.800 According to the Anti-Defamation League, there has been a 388% interest, percent increase,

00:03:20.420 in anti-Semitic attacks in America since Hamas launched its attack on Israel exactly one month ago.

00:03:26.320 Just a few examples.

00:03:27.280 On October 8th, in Clifton, New Jersey,

00:03:30.240 a car with individuals holding Palestinian flags

00:03:32.840 appeared to intentionally swerve out of its lane, nearly hitting a Jewish family.

00:03:38.380 October 12th, Indianapolis.

00:03:40.680 An Indiana man carrying an Israeli flag was allegedly assaulted by a pro-Palestinian protester.

00:03:46.780 On August 15th, in New York, a person allegedly punched a Jewish woman in the face

00:03:51.120 at Grand Central Terminal.

00:03:53.120 When she asked why, he responded,

00:03:54.780 you are Jewish, we told you, for example, what happened down outside of the Tulane campus

00:03:59.960 when a young Jewish man was punched in the face.

00:04:03.740 Anti-Semitic attacks are always also on the rise now in places like Europe,

00:04:08.120 where they've had basically open border policies for the past 10, 15 years.

00:04:12.340 In Germany, Molotov cocktails have been thrown at a synagogue.

00:04:16.120 Molotov cocktails thrown at a synagogue, among other anti-Israel incidents.

00:04:20.760 In the UK, there have been more than 1,000 reported anti-Jewish incidents in the past month,

00:04:25.780 with 47 assaults, 47 assaults, and schools and children have been targeted.

00:04:31.940 In France, which has the largest Palestinian or Muslim population in Europe,

00:04:38.220 on Saturday, a 30-something-year-old Jewish woman in France was attacked in her home.

00:04:43.660 She was stabbed in her home.

00:04:45.400 She did survive.

00:04:47.680 A swastika had been painted on her door.

00:04:50.900 This is a truly scary time for Jews in America and throughout the world.

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00:05:30.100 My guest this hour, John Podoritz, editor of Commentary.

00:05:33.920 It's a wonderful publication, the magazine.

00:05:36.620 And if you haven't been listening to the Commentary podcast,

00:05:38.580 I highly recommend it to you.

00:05:40.060 One of his co-hosts on that podcast is Christine Rosen.

00:05:42.800 She's a writer for Commentary and also a senior fellow

00:05:44.940 at the American Enterprise Institute.

00:05:47.180 She writes in particular on media.

00:05:49.880 They're both co-hosts of the Commentary magazine podcast,

00:05:52.740 making their first appearance on this show.

00:05:54.320 John and Christine, I'm a little starstruck because I listen to commentary

00:05:58.300 pretty much every day and have for years now.

00:06:02.260 So it's lovely to have you here.

00:06:03.800 Thank you so much for being on.

00:06:05.520 Well, thank you so much for having us.

00:06:07.340 And Megan, I miss you because we used to live on the same block.

00:06:11.660 And I used to occasionally see you coming out of the building,

00:06:14.760 taking your kids to the school bus,

00:06:16.520 or as I was taking my kids to the school bus.

00:06:18.740 And then you sanely, I think, decamped to wiser places to live.

00:06:25.180 But I'm still here.

00:06:27.600 I'm still here looking for you and Doug on the corner.

00:06:32.260 I've been thinking about you nonstop because of that.

00:06:35.100 Because, of course, you know, the Upper West Side,

00:06:37.320 New York has become the site of a lot of these crazy protests.

00:06:42.240 It's like, wait a minute, New York?

00:06:44.100 New York is heavily Jewish.

00:06:45.520 What's happening?

00:06:46.140 Why in Brooklyn are we having, you know,

00:06:47.660 I heard you talk about the Crown Heights protest.

00:06:49.900 It's like of all places and Jews being told,

00:06:53.060 don't come, don't, you know, stay inside.

00:06:55.800 What do you, I want to kick it off with this, John,

00:06:58.260 because I heard on commentary,

00:07:00.600 you say this joke recently, which I was like,

00:07:02.660 oh, oh, okay, I'm starting to get it.

00:07:05.900 Because one of my questions has been,

00:07:08.160 where are our Jewish friends and their allies like us in the streets?

00:07:14.140 Why is it all these pro-Palestinian nutcases

00:07:16.040 who are out there chanting from the river to the sea, right?

00:07:19.140 Like, where's the other side who says,

00:07:21.900 you know what, we'd like to live in peace.

00:07:23.860 Wouldn't that be nice?

00:07:24.620 October 6th was better than today.

00:07:27.420 And now we're starting to see a little bit more of it.

00:07:29.180 But you told a joke on commentary

00:07:30.420 that made me kind of understand

00:07:32.280 and forgive me, because I'm going to ask you to tell it,

00:07:34.480 but I think it was about two Jewish people

00:07:36.420 who had been sentenced to death by firing squad, right?

00:07:39.960 Can you tell this joke?

00:07:40.780 It kind of helped me understand.

00:07:42.000 Sure.

00:07:42.360 So it's a very, two Jews are in front of a firing squad

00:07:45.580 and the commandant of the firing squad says,

00:07:48.200 do you have any last requests?

00:07:50.460 And one of them says,

00:07:51.880 I would like please a blindfold.

00:07:54.120 And the other says,

00:07:55.440 Sam, don't make trouble.

00:07:57.120 So this, this is the mindset of the Jew,

00:08:03.820 the Jewish person through history,

00:08:05.720 powerless, without any real means to fight back.

00:08:10.400 And the only hope that he has

00:08:12.900 is that somebody will take pity on him

00:08:16.340 and let him be.

00:08:18.900 And that is the situation

00:08:22.000 that Israel was created in,

00:08:27.120 to make unnecessary any longer.

00:08:30.920 That is why Jews have fought

00:08:33.820 for the last hundred years

00:08:35.340 to get their share in the United States,

00:08:38.260 to achieve a certain level of political

00:08:42.040 and economic and social authority

00:08:45.340 so that we are,

00:08:48.560 A, not brought before firing squads,

00:08:50.840 and B, we are not reduced

00:08:52.660 to the level of begging

00:08:53.980 for a blindfold

00:08:56.440 so that we don't have to be witnesses

00:08:58.940 to our own death.

00:09:01.280 And here we are in 2023.

00:09:04.800 There was a rally yesterday.

00:09:06.520 There was a big rally here in New York

00:09:08.360 on Central Park West

00:09:09.740 of people supporting Jews, Judaism,

00:09:15.500 and Israel in the wake of October 7th.

00:09:17.580 But then much of what was going on

00:09:18.940 on the screens was simply

00:09:20.240 an endless roll of the hostages,

00:09:23.580 the 240-odd hostages

00:09:25.500 who are in the maw

00:09:29.420 of Hamas.

00:09:32.300 And you look at those pictures

00:09:33.840 and you think,

00:09:35.100 well,

00:09:35.920 my guess is they're not staying there

00:09:38.380 asking for a blindfold.

00:09:39.620 These are Sabra,

00:09:41.560 unless they're very little kids

00:09:42.880 who don't know

00:09:43.420 to ask for a blindfold.

00:09:45.180 These are Sabras.

00:09:46.100 These are Israelis.

00:09:46.980 These are proud adults.

00:09:49.100 And they are either fighting back

00:09:51.020 or they are maintaining

00:09:52.300 their dignity

00:09:53.000 in unbelievably undignified

00:09:55.760 and horrible circumstances.

00:09:58.620 And it is a horror

00:10:01.340 that we are living here

00:10:03.120 in the United States

00:10:04.760 being forced in some sense

00:10:07.040 to defend our right,

00:10:09.940 to defend ourselves

00:10:11.500 against unwarranted,

00:10:14.440 unprovoked attacks

00:10:17.720 of such savagery

00:10:20.400 that the people that I know

00:10:21.880 who have witnessed the videos

00:10:24.140 or walked through the crime scenes

00:10:27.460 at the Kibbutzim

00:10:28.940 in the Gaza envelope,

00:10:32.120 which is where the massacres took place,

00:10:34.880 say that these are images

00:10:37.780 that are seared in their minds

00:10:40.160 that they will never forget

00:10:42.380 and that they are going to have to get

00:10:44.480 psychological treatment

00:10:47.460 to cope with

00:10:49.520 because they cannot sleep

00:10:51.860 because of the horrors

00:10:53.540 that they have seen.

00:10:55.280 And remember,

00:10:56.080 just to finish my monologue here,

00:10:59.580 these 5,000 casualties

00:11:01.460 that were inflicted in Israel

00:11:03.040 1,400 dead,

00:11:06.160 more than 3,500 injured,

00:11:08.520 took place

00:11:09.720 in around eight hours.

00:11:13.840 Think about that.

00:11:16.720 And this was hand-to-hand stuff.

00:11:18.980 It wasn't a bomb being dropped

00:11:20.140 on a building.

00:11:21.420 These were people being killed

00:11:23.020 systematically,

00:11:24.780 bloodthirstily,

00:11:26.020 in a relatively short period of time

00:11:28.840 in what can only be called

00:11:30.880 a massacre rampage

00:11:33.880 of psychotic evil proportions.

00:11:39.600 30 days later,

00:11:41.140 people are yelling

00:11:42.780 at people like us

00:11:44.380 because we do not believe

00:11:46.560 that a ceasefire

00:11:47.940 that would essentially

00:11:49.020 let off the murderers

00:11:52.040 of our people,

00:11:55.520 that they would let them go scot-free.

00:11:57.600 That is what a ceasefire means,

00:12:00.020 essentially, right?

00:12:01.040 It's stop the fighting,

00:12:03.040 stop doing things.

00:12:04.800 There's no corollary to that.

00:12:06.780 Like, hey, you know what?

00:12:07.940 There should be a ceasefire

00:12:09.280 so that Hamas

00:12:10.640 can surrender en masse

00:12:12.680 and be tried

00:12:13.720 for the 5,000 crimes

00:12:16.640 that they committed

00:12:17.960 on October 7th.

00:12:19.620 It's just

00:12:20.200 have a ceasefire

00:12:22.160 and then let things go on

00:12:24.660 as normal.

00:12:25.200 I almost feel like,

00:12:27.600 John,

00:12:27.760 they're worried

00:12:28.480 Israel's getting the job done.

00:12:30.560 Israel actually is destroying Hamas

00:12:32.460 and they're like,

00:12:33.680 you know what?

00:12:34.080 We need to stop this.

00:12:35.600 Some people genuinely care

00:12:37.060 about civilian casualties,

00:12:38.540 but I think a lot of people

00:12:39.920 really don't want to see

00:12:40.880 Hamas destroyed.

00:12:42.580 I mean,

00:12:42.760 we're hearing it

00:12:43.280 on college campuses.

00:12:44.460 Hamas,

00:12:44.980 it's not a terrorist group.

00:12:46.460 You've misunderstood Hamas.

00:12:48.540 You don't understand.

00:12:48.900 I think we have that

00:12:49.700 just today from,

00:12:51.100 where was it, guys?

00:12:52.260 Hold on a second.

00:12:52.900 It was from U-Penn,

00:12:56.140 of course.

00:12:56.980 U-Penn.

00:12:57.500 Oh, yeah.

00:12:57.660 I mean,

00:12:57.880 six one way,

00:12:58.460 half a dozen the other.

00:12:59.180 U-Penn or Yale.

00:13:00.640 Where she's out there chanting.

00:13:03.260 This is shared

00:13:04.620 by Bronx Representative

00:13:05.720 Richie Torres,

00:13:06.420 who's a Democrat

00:13:06.960 who's been very good

00:13:07.620 on this whole issue.

00:13:08.840 This woman putting

00:13:10.260 her perspective

00:13:10.840 on what really happened

00:13:12.140 with Hamas.

00:13:12.760 Take a listen.

00:13:13.140 Do you guys remember

00:13:16.000 the photo of the kids

00:13:17.440 and men laughing

00:13:18.280 and smiling

00:13:18.840 as they sat on top

00:13:20.100 of the Israeli military jeep

00:13:21.540 captured by our

00:13:22.400 freedom fighters?

00:13:23.340 Yes!

00:13:23.640 Do you remember

00:13:24.460 that picture?

00:13:25.480 Yes!

00:13:26.520 How about the photos

00:13:27.680 of the bulldozer

00:13:28.420 breaking through

00:13:29.040 the deadly borders?

00:13:30.000 Do you remember

00:13:30.580 that picture?

00:13:31.380 Yes!

00:13:32.820 And the several other

00:13:34.240 joyful and powerful images

00:13:35.580 which came from

00:13:36.300 the glorious October 7th?

00:13:37.960 Yes!

00:13:39.560 I want you to picture

00:13:40.920 those in your mind.

00:13:41.940 I want you all to remember

00:13:43.160 how you felt

00:13:43.940 when you saw those images

00:13:45.400 and heard the news.

00:13:47.140 I remember

00:13:47.780 feeling so empowered

00:13:49.240 and happy,

00:13:50.480 so confident

00:13:51.200 that victory was near

00:13:52.740 and so tangible.

00:13:54.200 I want all of you

00:13:55.580 to hold that feeling

00:13:56.660 in your hearts.

00:13:58.020 Never let go of it.

00:13:59.840 Channel it through

00:14:00.620 every action you take.

00:14:02.440 Bring it to the streets.

00:14:03.720 Yes!

00:14:04.440 Go down to the streets

00:14:05.560 every day.

00:14:06.760 And don't ever

00:14:08.060 let them feel

00:14:09.240 that you quietly

00:14:10.180 accept this genocide.

00:14:11.940 Freedom Fighters

00:14:14.860 in her view.

00:14:15.960 This just in,

00:14:16.820 she's going to be

00:14:17.240 interning for Rashida

00:14:18.040 Tlaib this summer.

00:14:20.140 This is the message,

00:14:22.300 right?

00:14:22.580 As you point out,

00:14:23.380 one month later,

00:14:24.940 Christine,

00:14:25.340 you've been covering

00:14:26.020 the media

00:14:26.720 and the campus insanity

00:14:28.300 and all of this.

00:14:29.800 She's UPenn.

00:14:30.780 That was in Philadelphia,

00:14:32.040 you know,

00:14:32.300 steps away.

00:14:33.320 But that's the message.

00:14:34.280 It was a glorious

00:14:35.000 feeling of joy.

00:14:36.500 Never forget it

00:14:37.280 as we cheer on

00:14:38.000 our Freedom Fighters.

00:14:38.900 And as John

00:14:39.420 is pointing out,

00:14:40.360 it wasn't just

00:14:40.960 hand-to-hand murder.

00:14:42.280 It was torture.

00:14:44.040 Everyone seems

00:14:44.640 to want to gloss over

00:14:45.860 that the Israelis

00:14:47.220 were tortured.

00:14:48.320 Children were tortured,

00:14:49.740 forced.

00:14:50.600 The one child

00:14:52.280 who had his hand

00:14:52.980 cut off

00:14:53.560 and had to bleed

00:14:54.920 out right there.

00:14:55.780 The other children

00:14:56.520 had to watch

00:14:57.040 their dad's eyes

00:14:58.400 get gouged out

00:14:59.740 before the terrorists

00:15:01.040 turned on them.

00:15:02.280 There are so many stories.

00:15:04.180 Just want to,

00:15:04.640 like,

00:15:05.280 gloss on by that

00:15:06.700 and talk about

00:15:07.320 the glory of the day.

00:15:10.360 Well,

00:15:10.960 this is actually

00:15:11.640 something,

00:15:12.180 it's downright

00:15:13.140 Orwellian,

00:15:13.960 what's happening

00:15:14.560 and despicable

00:15:16.000 in our mainstream media

00:15:17.240 in particular.

00:15:18.520 She used a word there

00:15:19.640 that she shouldn't

00:15:20.400 have used

00:15:20.860 because it's

00:15:21.440 the incorrect word.

00:15:22.840 She used genocide.

00:15:24.240 So what we have seen

00:15:25.200 is the mainstream media

00:15:26.080 pick up a narrative,

00:15:26.980 a very pro-Palestinian narrative

00:15:28.360 that is accusing

00:15:29.640 Israel of genocide.

00:15:31.200 And you're absolutely right

00:15:32.080 that they have glossed

00:15:32.940 over the barbarity

00:15:34.020 and inhumane

00:15:35.360 and,

00:15:35.980 quite frankly,

00:15:36.400 documented war crimes,

00:15:38.520 documented,

00:15:39.080 by the way,

00:15:39.640 not by the IDF

00:15:40.760 that came in

00:15:41.340 to rescue civilians,

00:15:42.440 but by the terrorists

00:15:43.620 themselves

00:15:44.120 who filmed it

00:15:44.900 on GoPro

00:15:45.420 and often live-streamed

00:15:46.760 it back to their

00:15:47.380 friends and family

00:15:48.180 in Gaza

00:15:49.060 while they were

00:15:49.800 murdering innocent

00:15:50.920 women and children.

00:15:52.300 So the fact

00:15:53.560 that very quickly

00:15:54.580 the story

00:15:55.280 and the images

00:15:56.080 that we're seeing

00:15:56.800 in all of our

00:15:57.440 newspapers

00:15:58.200 and on most

00:15:58.920 of the mainstream

00:15:59.420 media television broadcasts

00:16:01.180 are all of children

00:16:01.980 in Gaza.

00:16:03.060 Now,

00:16:03.400 as you said earlier,

00:16:04.360 and I know

00:16:04.760 John agrees with me

00:16:05.500 on this,

00:16:05.720 nobody wants to see

00:16:06.660 innocent civilians harmed.

00:16:07.960 That is not the purpose

00:16:08.860 of what is happening

00:16:09.700 right now in Gaza.

00:16:11.200 But innocent civilian deaths

00:16:12.760 in Gaza

00:16:13.420 are the responsibility

00:16:14.420 of Hamas

00:16:15.240 because Hamas

00:16:16.100 has put them

00:16:16.780 in harm's way

00:16:17.640 with its actions.

00:16:19.240 Hamas prevents them

00:16:20.540 from leaving areas

00:16:21.940 where the IDF

00:16:22.840 is moving forward

00:16:25.500 with military operations

00:16:26.800 to root out terrorists.

00:16:28.440 Hamas is responsible

00:16:29.500 for those deaths.

00:16:30.700 But in the West,

00:16:31.360 what we see

00:16:31.840 is this narrative

00:16:32.540 of Israel

00:16:33.440 committing genocide.

00:16:34.780 Every victim

00:16:35.360 is on Israel's head

00:16:37.160 in responsible form.

00:16:38.160 These are war crimes.

00:16:39.200 None of this is true.

00:16:40.540 But all of it

00:16:41.180 is being repeated

00:16:41.880 over and over

00:16:42.880 and over again

00:16:43.740 and has been,

00:16:44.740 unfortunately,

00:16:45.240 for decades

00:16:45.880 really taken root

00:16:47.080 on campuses

00:16:47.980 in various studies programs

00:16:49.700 and in these arguments

00:16:51.460 about colonial oppressors

00:16:53.680 and whatnot.

00:16:54.080 And it's all come

00:16:55.700 to fruition.

00:16:56.460 And what is driving

00:16:57.300 so much of it,

00:16:58.040 what we see clearly

00:16:58.980 on the streets,

00:17:00.180 is hate.

00:17:01.160 It's anti-Semitism.

00:17:02.380 And they can put

00:17:03.100 whatever academic

00:17:04.020 and ideological gloss

00:17:05.520 over it

00:17:06.040 that they want to,

00:17:07.060 but it's very clear

00:17:08.040 their actions

00:17:08.600 and their words

00:17:09.140 are now starting

00:17:09.840 to match.

00:17:10.520 The actions

00:17:11.040 and the words

00:17:11.840 incited by,

00:17:13.220 for example,

00:17:14.020 a representative

00:17:14.580 in Congress,

00:17:15.220 Rashida Tlaib,

00:17:16.000 who has been

00:17:16.720 having all kinds

00:17:18.500 of anti-Semitic statements

00:17:19.520 that she posts

00:17:20.260 on her social media,

00:17:21.660 such as phrases

00:17:22.660 like,

00:17:23.020 from the river

00:17:23.420 to the sea.

00:17:24.440 Everyone knows

00:17:25.320 what that means.

00:17:26.400 And she is denying

00:17:27.440 its own meaning

00:17:28.380 while inciting people

00:17:29.700 to take action

00:17:30.900 and,

00:17:31.520 as the woman

00:17:31.880 in the video clip

00:17:32.660 you just showed us did,

00:17:33.540 to take to the streets.

00:17:34.760 That is incitement.

00:17:36.000 That is calling

00:17:36.980 on people

00:17:37.600 to do violence.

00:17:39.000 And that's wrong.

00:17:40.960 You saw it yesterday.

00:17:42.620 Yeah, go ahead, John.

00:17:43.660 I was just going to say

00:17:44.620 that there's a deli

00:17:47.740 in L.A.

00:17:49.040 on Fairfax

00:17:49.840 called Cantor's.

00:17:50.940 Cantor's, yeah.

00:17:51.720 So it's the,

00:17:52.820 like,

00:17:53.220 premier Jewish deli

00:17:54.780 in Los Angeles.

00:17:56.280 It's been there

00:17:56.960 since 1925.

00:17:58.460 On the wall

00:17:59.480 at Cantor's Deli,

00:18:00.480 outside,

00:18:01.640 are pictures

00:18:02.280 of Cantor's Deli

00:18:03.320 and its growth

00:18:04.000 over time

00:18:04.760 and sort of

00:18:06.060 pictures of

00:18:06.680 Jewish L.A.

00:18:09.260 Cute,

00:18:09.920 black and white,

00:18:10.840 you know,

00:18:11.120 historical pictures.

00:18:12.900 All of them

00:18:13.720 in the last couple

00:18:14.480 of days

00:18:14.940 defaced

00:18:15.680 by things like

00:18:16.840 from the river

00:18:18.200 to the sea,

00:18:18.800 Palestine

00:18:19.320 will be free,

00:18:20.280 F Israel,

00:18:21.360 all of that.

00:18:22.260 Now,

00:18:22.760 there is nothing

00:18:24.400 in Israel

00:18:25.080 in the Cantor's Deli

00:18:28.020 photographs.

00:18:29.040 Cantor's Deli

00:18:29.680 is a restaurant

00:18:30.380 that serves

00:18:31.100 pastrami

00:18:32.260 and blintzes

00:18:33.360 and latkes

00:18:34.660 and cream

00:18:36.440 and, you know,

00:18:37.500 cheesecake.

00:18:37.860 and it is

00:18:40.660 being targeted

00:18:41.480 in response

00:18:44.720 to a massacre

00:18:46.560 of Jews

00:18:47.120 in Israel

00:18:47.920 that has triggered

00:18:49.140 anti-Semitic acts

00:18:51.800 all over the world

00:18:53.020 and is simply

00:18:54.920 the Vandals

00:18:56.500 are drawing

00:18:57.160 no distinction

00:18:57.920 between

00:18:58.560 what it is

00:18:59.760 to be a Jew

00:19:00.500 and what it is

00:19:02.420 what Israel is,

00:19:05.280 which is why

00:19:06.200 for 40 years

00:19:07.620 people like me

00:19:09.220 have been making

00:19:09.840 the argument

00:19:10.480 that when people

00:19:11.280 say

00:19:11.880 that anti-Zionism

00:19:14.080 and anti-Semitism

00:19:15.180 are two separate

00:19:16.480 things,

00:19:17.100 that you can be

00:19:17.840 an anti-Zionist,

00:19:18.960 someone who does

00:19:19.640 not believe

00:19:20.260 that the Jewish

00:19:20.860 people should

00:19:22.120 have their own

00:19:23.000 state

00:19:23.600 on Earth

00:19:25.560 but there should

00:19:26.240 be a binational

00:19:27.120 state with Jews

00:19:27.900 and Arabs,

00:19:28.320 however you want

00:19:28.800 to slice it,

00:19:30.040 that these are

00:19:30.620 two different

00:19:31.360 phenomena,

00:19:32.020 that anti-Semitism

00:19:32.780 is simply a matter

00:19:33.940 of hating Jews

00:19:35.240 and is therefore

00:19:35.840 a bad thing

00:19:36.640 and anti-Zionism

00:19:37.500 is a political

00:19:38.840 position.

00:19:40.100 We are learning

00:19:41.200 this month

00:19:41.920 that just as

00:19:43.080 people like me

00:19:43.680 have been arguing

00:19:44.120 for 40 years,

00:19:45.500 that that is

00:19:46.200 a specious,

00:19:47.180 fallacious,

00:19:47.860 false,

00:19:48.720 and ultimately

00:19:49.560 disingenuous argument

00:19:51.080 because you attack

00:19:53.220 Israel,

00:19:53.960 there's some kind

00:19:54.500 of fight against

00:19:55.180 Israel,

00:19:55.620 and now in

00:19:57.160 Indiana,

00:19:58.380 a woman is

00:19:59.380 taking her truck

00:20:00.520 and driving it

00:20:01.860 into a building

00:20:02.740 that she thinks

00:20:03.560 is a Jewish

00:20:04.300 day school

00:20:05.160 in order

00:20:06.040 to kill

00:20:06.660 Jewish children

00:20:07.700 in Indiana

00:20:09.760 because she's

00:20:11.340 mad about

00:20:12.500 Israel.

00:20:14.040 Anti-Zionism

00:20:14.960 is anti-Semitism.

00:20:17.260 There is something

00:20:17.900 very fascinating

00:20:19.760 that needs

00:20:20.800 to be studied

00:20:21.520 about the fact

00:20:22.380 that this massacre

00:20:24.100 was perpetrated

00:20:24.960 mostly on Jews,

00:20:26.560 though not exclusively

00:20:27.500 on Jews

00:20:28.960 in Israel.

00:20:29.720 there are at

00:20:30.720 least 40

00:20:31.460 hostages

00:20:32.100 in Gaza

00:20:33.460 who are Thai,

00:20:34.700 who are Thai

00:20:35.300 workers working

00:20:36.260 in Israel

00:20:36.800 who were taken

00:20:38.000 hostage,

00:20:38.740 and others.

00:20:40.340 Massacre

00:20:40.900 of Jews

00:20:42.020 in Israel

00:20:42.740 that you would

00:20:43.600 think would

00:20:44.700 cause worldwide

00:20:46.500 sympathy

00:20:47.300 for people

00:20:49.020 who have been

00:20:50.120 attacked in this

00:20:50.920 way,

00:20:51.320 and instead

00:20:51.840 it has ignited

00:20:53.440 an anti-Semitic

00:20:54.780 frenzy,

00:20:56.020 almost as though

00:20:56.780 a button

00:20:57.340 had been pushed

00:20:59.080 that said,

00:21:00.820 as one of my

00:21:02.620 favorite quotes

00:21:03.400 in movies,

00:21:04.520 the Blues Brothers,

00:21:06.260 Frank Oz,

00:21:07.020 the director,

00:21:07.660 says as the

00:21:08.460 head of the

00:21:08.940 Chicago Police

00:21:09.600 Department,

00:21:10.800 use of excessive

00:21:11.900 force against

00:21:12.860 the Blues Brothers

00:21:13.840 has been approved.

00:21:16.300 That's what's

00:21:17.160 happened.

00:21:17.660 Suddenly,

00:21:18.240 use of excessive

00:21:18.960 force against

00:21:19.660 Jews,

00:21:20.000 you can drive

00:21:21.140 a car

00:21:22.220 into an

00:21:23.180 Indiana building

00:21:24.060 thinking that

00:21:25.040 it's a day school

00:21:26.000 so you can

00:21:26.840 kill Jewish kids.

00:21:27.880 Somebody yesterday

00:21:28.740 people walking

00:21:30.060 out of a

00:21:30.560 building in

00:21:31.160 Brooklyn were

00:21:32.000 pepper sprayed

00:21:32.940 by somebody.

00:21:34.480 Visible Jews

00:21:35.240 wearing kipot

00:21:36.340 or tallit

00:21:38.060 or tzitzis

00:21:39.440 or the

00:21:40.000 visible

00:21:40.680 manifestations

00:21:41.440 of being

00:21:41.980 Jewish,

00:21:42.640 right?

00:21:43.360 And then,

00:21:43.820 of course,

00:21:44.040 you have all

00:21:44.360 these people

00:21:44.720 tearing down

00:21:45.300 these kidnap

00:21:45.920 posters for

00:21:47.300 reasons that

00:21:48.360 should be known

00:21:49.720 only to them,

00:21:50.640 their psychiatrists,

00:21:51.900 their priests,

00:21:53.120 and the world

00:21:53.880 to come,

00:21:54.280 and St. Peter

00:21:56.060 at the pearly

00:21:57.040 gates of the world

00:21:57.880 to come.

00:21:59.100 They won't be

00:21:59.680 going there.

00:22:02.080 I'm glad to

00:22:02.920 hear that.

00:22:03.440 This is not my

00:22:04.220 cosmology,

00:22:05.820 so that's

00:22:07.340 very relieved.

00:22:07.600 I got a direct

00:22:08.640 line.

00:22:09.540 My nana's up

00:22:10.260 there.

00:22:10.800 I got it on

00:22:11.340 good authority.

00:22:12.320 They're getting

00:22:12.620 the boot on

00:22:13.240 the forehead.

00:22:14.080 And I'll give

00:22:14.420 you another

00:22:14.960 pop culture

00:22:16.220 reference on

00:22:16.800 what happened

00:22:17.240 here as we

00:22:17.760 continue to

00:22:18.320 hear calls

00:22:18.980 for a ceasefire.

00:22:20.040 It's from

00:22:20.600 Animal House,

00:22:21.320 which I know

00:22:21.680 you guys love

00:22:22.400 as much as I

00:22:22.940 do because

00:22:23.240 we're all on

00:22:24.220 the older

00:22:24.560 side.

00:22:26.640 It's the line

00:22:27.680 when they come

00:22:28.480 back and they

00:22:29.080 took the one

00:22:29.800 guy's car and

00:22:30.640 it gets completely

00:22:31.260 damaged and

00:22:32.100 messed up.

00:22:32.940 And he looks at

00:22:33.640 him and he

00:22:33.840 says,

00:22:34.140 you fucked up.

00:22:35.020 You trusted us.

00:22:37.360 Those people are

00:22:38.500 like ceasefire.

00:22:39.780 What do you think

00:22:40.140 was happening on

00:22:40.760 October 6th?

00:22:41.900 Israel was letting

00:22:42.820 the Palestinians in.

00:22:43.980 They were letting

00:22:44.340 people from Gaza

00:22:45.700 into Israel,

00:22:46.740 letting them work

00:22:47.460 amongst them,

00:22:48.700 trying to forge a

00:22:50.060 peace and

00:22:50.700 prosperity that

00:22:52.120 was firmly

00:22:53.120 rejected.

00:22:53.800 And now we

00:22:54.280 know that those

00:22:55.500 Palestinians were

00:22:56.360 mapping out the

00:22:57.520 kibbutzes,

00:22:58.660 figuring out where

00:22:59.340 the babies were,

00:23:00.240 where the most

00:23:00.720 vulnerable were,

00:23:01.640 so that they

00:23:02.060 could return and

00:23:02.920 know right where

00:23:03.620 to inflict the

00:23:04.320 torture.

00:23:05.260 It's just that

00:23:06.040 the ceasefire now

00:23:07.360 crowd is

00:23:08.060 disingenuous.

00:23:08.960 I think we know

00:23:09.740 that.

00:23:10.700 This woman who

00:23:11.700 he mentions,

00:23:12.500 who John

00:23:12.860 mentions,

00:23:13.320 Christine,

00:23:14.320 who plowed her

00:23:15.000 car into what

00:23:15.660 she thought was

00:23:16.080 a Jewish school.

00:23:17.180 Okay,

00:23:17.480 Indiana,

00:23:18.040 we mentioned

00:23:18.380 her name is

00:23:18.780 Aruba.

00:23:19.160 Al-Mate.

00:23:21.300 And she

00:23:22.580 hit this

00:23:23.720 institute thinking

00:23:24.580 that she was

00:23:25.340 going to kill

00:23:25.720 Jews.

00:23:26.140 There were

00:23:26.340 several adults

00:23:26.940 and children

00:23:27.360 inside,

00:23:28.520 police now

00:23:29.180 calling her

00:23:29.620 a terrorist.

00:23:30.660 She said,

00:23:31.420 I did it on

00:23:31.820 purpose.

00:23:32.620 I wanted to,

00:23:33.340 quote, help

00:23:33.580 my people

00:23:34.020 back in

00:23:34.460 Palestine.

00:23:35.660 And, of

00:23:36.220 course, it

00:23:36.640 wound up to

00:23:37.120 being an

00:23:37.640 Israeli school

00:23:38.600 affiliated, I

00:23:40.660 guess, with

00:23:41.000 the Black

00:23:41.340 Hebrew Israelites,

00:23:42.540 which the

00:23:43.040 ADF labels

00:23:43.780 extreme and

00:23:44.640 anti-Semitic,

00:23:45.300 so she had

00:23:45.720 her facts a

00:23:46.320 little confused,

00:23:47.520 but her

00:23:48.040 intention remains

00:23:48.920 the same.

00:23:50.260 We've seen

00:23:51.240 so much,

00:23:53.380 so many stories

00:23:54.580 of the rise

00:23:55.440 in anti-Semitism

00:23:56.100 and attacks,

00:23:57.060 including the one

00:23:57.560 I began with,

00:23:58.380 with this poor

00:23:59.060 man,

00:23:59.660 Kessler,

00:24:00.100 Paul Kessler.

00:24:01.060 And the media

00:24:02.760 coverage that

00:24:03.900 we've seen just

00:24:04.580 in the past 15

00:24:05.580 hours of Paul

00:24:06.620 Kessler's death

00:24:08.980 is right on

00:24:10.700 brand.

00:24:11.440 I mean, I would

00:24:11.800 say it's shocking,

00:24:12.600 but you and I both

00:24:13.400 know it's not

00:24:14.140 shocking.

00:24:14.460 I'll just show

00:24:14.960 the audience a

00:24:15.500 couple of

00:24:15.740 headlines and

00:24:16.180 you can weigh

00:24:16.540 in.

00:24:18.380 Here's NBC.

00:24:20.600 Man dies after

00:24:22.360 hitting head

00:24:23.340 during Israel

00:24:24.980 and Palestinian

00:24:25.980 rallies in

00:24:27.120 California.

00:24:28.020 Like, just

00:24:28.520 dies.

00:24:29.220 Like, what

00:24:29.460 did he have

00:24:30.940 like a heart

00:24:31.980 attack?

00:24:32.700 What do you

00:24:33.020 mean?

00:24:33.200 He hit his

00:24:33.580 head and he

00:24:33.880 had a heart

00:24:34.200 attack?

00:24:34.600 NBC, what

00:24:35.120 happened?

00:24:35.840 Walk us

00:24:36.400 through it.

00:24:36.780 I think you're

00:24:37.320 missing some

00:24:37.820 things.

00:24:38.540 Here's the ABC

00:24:39.560 seven, California

00:24:41.480 tweet.

00:24:42.720 Elderly Jewish

00:24:43.660 man dies

00:24:44.660 after confrontation

00:24:45.940 with pro-Palestinian

00:24:47.380 protesters.

00:24:47.780 Again, what do

00:24:48.900 you mean?

00:24:49.140 Did he die

00:24:49.720 like from stress?

00:24:50.940 Did he did he

00:24:51.480 have a stroke?

00:24:52.080 What happened?

00:24:52.640 No, he died

00:24:53.720 because they

00:24:54.460 appeared to

00:24:54.860 have hit him

00:24:55.300 in the head

00:24:55.640 with a megaphone

00:24:56.420 causing blunt

00:24:57.460 force trauma

00:24:58.040 that resulted

00:24:59.080 in a homicidal

00:24:59.860 death.

00:25:00.280 That's what the

00:25:00.680 medical examiner

00:25:01.340 says.

00:25:02.300 Here's New York

00:25:02.640 Times again.

00:25:03.760 Jewish man

00:25:04.520 dies after

00:25:05.760 altercation

00:25:06.560 at dueling

00:25:07.400 protests in

00:25:08.380 California.

00:25:08.940 I mean, how

00:25:10.700 about Jewish

00:25:11.180 man was

00:25:11.720 killed?

00:25:12.340 This is

00:25:12.700 reminding me,

00:25:13.280 Christine,

00:25:13.660 of the

00:25:14.640 truck mows

00:25:17.680 down protesters

00:25:18.960 in Waukesha,

00:25:20.600 Wisconsin,

00:25:21.440 right?

00:25:22.060 Right.

00:25:22.600 This is Eli

00:25:23.580 Lake, our

00:25:24.040 mutual friend,

00:25:24.920 corrected the

00:25:25.540 New York

00:25:25.740 Times headline

00:25:26.700 for them.

00:25:27.160 Instead of

00:25:27.500 Jewish man

00:25:27.900 dies after

00:25:28.400 altercation

00:25:28.900 at dueling

00:25:29.200 protests,

00:25:29.780 he changed

00:25:30.160 it to Jewish

00:25:30.980 man was

00:25:31.420 killed by

00:25:31.860 pro-Palestinian

00:25:32.580 protesters in

00:25:33.900 California.

00:25:34.740 The Times,

00:25:35.660 NBC, ABC,

00:25:36.860 they never

00:25:37.180 have this

00:25:37.680 hesitancy when

00:25:38.920 they're dealing

00:25:39.400 with, you

00:25:40.280 know, a

00:25:40.560 BLM

00:25:40.940 protester who

00:25:41.580 got hurt or

00:25:42.220 anybody who's

00:25:42.940 perceived as

00:25:43.520 on their

00:25:44.060 side.

00:25:45.580 Absolutely.

00:25:45.940 The unwillingness

00:25:46.760 to name what

00:25:47.480 has happened and

00:25:48.680 that we see with

00:25:49.360 our own eyes that

00:25:50.460 happened and that

00:25:51.520 we have footage of

00:25:52.560 what is happening

00:25:53.300 is why I keep

00:25:54.760 coming back to

00:25:55.440 this term Orwellian.

00:25:56.480 It really is

00:25:57.080 Orwellian.

00:25:58.100 There is a

00:25:58.500 concerted effort on

00:26:00.500 the part of the

00:26:01.400 mainstream media to

00:26:02.740 not tell people

00:26:03.800 what's happening and

00:26:04.840 we need to ask

00:26:05.660 why that is.

00:26:06.520 One reason is

00:26:07.620 that they are

00:26:07.960 trying to protect

00:26:08.800 an administration

00:26:09.400 that, as you

00:26:10.000 said at the

00:26:10.800 beginning of the

00:26:11.280 show, is very

00:26:12.440 keen to always

00:26:13.880 attach any

00:26:14.540 condemnation of

00:26:15.280 anti-Semitism

00:26:16.000 with Islamophobia.

00:26:17.760 We've seen that

00:26:18.160 over and over

00:26:18.720 again.

00:26:19.440 There is no

00:26:19.820 moral equivalence

00:26:20.820 here.

00:26:21.200 Anti-Semitic

00:26:21.860 acts, anti-Semitic

00:26:22.940 violence should be

00:26:23.760 called out.

00:26:25.200 End of sentence.

00:26:26.660 There is no

00:26:27.160 reason to

00:26:27.760 equivocate or to

00:26:28.660 tag on other

00:26:29.360 forms of hatred.

00:26:30.480 And it's an

00:26:30.880 unwillingness of the

00:26:31.600 Democratic Party to

00:26:32.580 deal with its

00:26:33.280 extremist fringe,

00:26:34.380 which is vocal,

00:26:36.100 it is proud,

00:26:36.980 it's loud, and

00:26:37.700 as I said

00:26:38.380 earlier, is

00:26:39.020 encouraging people

00:26:39.680 to go to the

00:26:40.180 streets and fight

00:26:40.980 about this.

00:26:42.280 The use of the

00:26:43.500 passive voice here

00:26:44.360 is deliberate,

00:26:45.360 despicable, and it

00:26:46.440 needs to be called

00:26:47.140 out every single

00:26:47.920 time it's happening.

00:26:48.820 And it's not just

00:26:49.700 rhetoric anymore.

00:26:50.760 It used to be,

00:26:51.420 I mean, and as

00:26:52.320 John knows, we

00:26:52.920 have for very

00:26:54.280 many years been

00:26:55.100 talking about a

00:26:55.860 lot of the

00:26:56.160 anti-Semitism on

00:26:57.080 the far left and

00:26:57.820 the far right, the

00:26:58.860 kind of rhetoric

00:26:59.400 that people listen

00:27:01.060 to and are

00:27:01.600 galvanized by and

00:27:02.540 why that's wrong.

00:27:03.160 We are past the

00:27:04.380 moment of just

00:27:04.940 calling out the

00:27:05.560 rhetoric.

00:27:06.180 We need to act.

00:27:07.460 We need lawmakers

00:27:08.480 to start making

00:27:09.580 sure that laws on

00:27:10.560 the books are

00:27:11.060 enforced, whether

00:27:11.660 that's hate crime

00:27:12.300 legislation, whether

00:27:13.060 that's, you know,

00:27:13.800 just simple assault

00:27:14.600 in many cases, like

00:27:15.740 the young woman who

00:27:16.400 was trying to

00:27:17.260 prevent someone from

00:27:17.960 tearing down posters

00:27:18.860 in New York this

00:27:19.540 week and who got

00:27:20.120 flung to the

00:27:21.000 sidewalk.

00:27:21.940 That's assault.

00:27:22.720 That should be

00:27:23.120 prosecuted.

00:27:24.300 These people need

00:27:25.140 to be taught a

00:27:26.180 lesson, whether that's

00:27:27.020 through the rule of

00:27:27.560 law or through a bit

00:27:29.220 of public shaming,

00:27:30.000 which is also

00:27:30.480 happening.

00:27:31.200 There need to be

00:27:31.760 consequences for

00:27:32.720 this behavior.

00:27:33.440 It's not enough

00:27:34.140 just to call it

00:27:34.880 out.

00:27:35.180 And I think state

00:27:36.140 by state we are

00:27:36.920 seeing efforts, I

00:27:37.700 know Virginia is

00:27:38.360 one state that's

00:27:38.960 done this, Florida

00:27:39.680 is doing this as

00:27:40.380 well, where lawmakers

00:27:41.420 are actually trying

00:27:42.380 to get a working

00:27:43.260 definition of

00:27:43.860 anti-Semitism on

00:27:44.960 the books so that

00:27:46.000 these laws can be

00:27:47.020 enforced when these

00:27:48.220 sorts of crimes

00:27:48.920 occur, when these

00:27:49.680 sorts of threats

00:27:50.260 are made.

00:27:50.700 There are threats

00:27:51.160 every day to

00:27:52.120 Jewish day schools,

00:27:53.120 to synagogues, all

00:27:54.300 across this country.

00:27:55.000 Those aren't even

00:27:55.580 being fully reported.

00:27:56.920 It's happening all the

00:27:57.980 time.

00:27:58.220 But we need to do

00:27:59.020 more than just call

00:27:59.820 it out.

00:28:00.200 We need to

00:28:00.540 actually act.

00:28:01.900 Okay, I want to

00:28:02.380 connect the dots

00:28:03.900 between what

00:28:05.240 happened in

00:28:05.760 Indiana, what

00:28:06.940 Christine is

00:28:07.520 talking about, and

00:28:08.620 the world in

00:28:09.340 which, excuse me,

00:28:10.920 I live.

00:28:12.580 So, Paul Kessler

00:28:14.560 was killed,

00:28:15.660 apparently murdered,

00:28:18.020 by somebody who

00:28:19.100 flung a megaphone at

00:28:20.280 him, and then

00:28:20.800 whatever happened,

00:28:21.760 happened.

00:28:22.200 The blunt force

00:28:22.900 trauma seems to

00:28:23.840 have begun with the

00:28:25.520 megaphone being

00:28:26.260 thrown at his head.

00:28:28.080 Well, a week

00:28:29.580 earlier, in New

00:28:31.260 Orleans, right

00:28:34.260 near Tulane

00:28:34.940 University, there

00:28:36.040 was a protest and

00:28:37.620 a counter-protest,

00:28:39.160 and a kid at that

00:28:41.000 protest, a Jewish

00:28:42.000 kid, had his nose

00:28:43.820 broken because a

00:28:45.000 megaphone was

00:28:45.700 thrown in his

00:28:47.040 face.

00:28:48.280 I knew him.

00:28:48.800 I know that

00:28:49.860 kid.

00:28:50.580 I knew that kid

00:28:51.820 when he was three

00:28:52.800 years old.

00:28:54.180 He was in my

00:28:55.120 daughter's nursery

00:28:56.460 school class and

00:28:57.880 was in her

00:28:58.420 grade for seven

00:28:59.820 years, and

00:29:02.380 he, they

00:29:04.660 went to a

00:29:06.180 Jewish day

00:29:06.740 school, exactly

00:29:07.800 the kind of

00:29:08.760 institution that

00:29:11.560 Ruba sought to

00:29:12.740 drive her car

00:29:13.700 into to kill

00:29:14.840 kids.

00:29:16.020 Like my son,

00:29:18.540 my daughter is

00:29:19.620 now in college,

00:29:20.480 my son is still

00:29:21.260 going to that

00:29:22.020 school.

00:29:22.620 Now, it is a

00:29:23.380 hardened school

00:29:25.000 in the middle

00:29:26.080 of New York

00:29:26.520 City.

00:29:27.280 You're not

00:29:27.880 getting in

00:29:28.320 there, so

00:29:29.380 don't even

00:29:29.720 try.

00:29:30.340 There are

00:29:30.660 bollards, there

00:29:31.660 are security

00:29:32.800 guards, there

00:29:33.740 is immense

00:29:34.540 security at the

00:29:35.460 school that was

00:29:36.660 put in place as

00:29:37.580 it was being

00:29:38.080 built, precisely

00:29:39.560 seeing the

00:29:40.680 possibility of a

00:29:41.660 future like this,

00:29:42.500 particularly after

00:29:44.180 9-11.

00:29:45.380 But what I'm

00:29:45.820 talking about

00:29:46.500 here is

00:29:47.360 violence against

00:29:50.380 Jews, Jewish

00:29:51.900 institutions, and

00:29:53.520 its purpose is

00:29:54.540 not simply to

00:29:56.020 make a

00:29:56.480 statement.

00:29:57.960 It is to

00:29:59.260 kill people,

00:30:01.140 and particularly

00:30:03.300 to kill kids,

00:30:06.740 and particularly

00:30:08.080 to try to

00:30:09.880 kill my

00:30:10.920 kid.

00:30:12.600 And I'm not

00:30:13.560 going to stand

00:30:14.180 here and ask

00:30:15.620 for a

00:30:16.020 blindfold.

00:30:17.680 That doesn't

00:30:18.500 mean I'm going

00:30:19.080 to go out and

00:30:20.060 find the real

00:30:21.300 killer.

00:30:21.900 I'm 62

00:30:22.760 years old.

00:30:23.960 I'm well past

00:30:25.780 my due date on

00:30:27.320 stuff like that.

00:30:28.760 But what I mean

00:30:29.460 is, if you

00:30:31.380 are, and

00:30:32.220 you'll excuse

00:30:32.700 me for naming

00:30:33.520 people, but

00:30:34.500 if you are

00:30:35.160 Mehdi Hassan

00:30:36.080 on MSNBC

00:30:37.440 making

00:30:38.540 apologia for

00:30:40.220 Hamas, I

00:30:42.640 am not going

00:30:43.180 to let you get

00:30:43.760 away with it.

00:30:44.600 Every time you

00:30:45.560 do it on

00:30:46.200 Twitter, every

00:30:46.920 time you do

00:30:47.600 it on MSNBC,

00:30:49.160 I got a

00:30:49.900 hundred and

00:30:50.320 something thousand

00:30:50.940 followers on

00:30:51.680 Twitter, I

00:30:52.200 have a

00:30:52.500 magazine

00:30:52.900 here, I

00:30:53.780 have a

00:30:54.240 physical

00:30:54.800 presence, you

00:30:56.400 are going to

00:30:56.800 hear from me

00:30:57.420 every single

00:30:58.780 time, and

00:31:00.480 that should be

00:31:01.100 true of the

00:31:01.580 Jewish community

00:31:02.200 entirely in the

00:31:03.460 United States

00:31:04.120 and across the

00:31:05.000 world.

00:31:06.040 That is our

00:31:07.020 challenge, because

00:31:07.920 we're not the

00:31:08.560 lawmaker, you

00:31:09.340 know, I mean, if

00:31:09.940 you're Chuck

00:31:10.660 Schumer and

00:31:11.220 you're a Jewish

00:31:11.700 lawmaker, you're

00:31:12.420 then in a

00:31:12.800 position to do

00:31:14.280 what Christine

00:31:15.160 is talking

00:31:16.260 about.

00:31:16.720 But holding

00:31:17.480 accountable the

00:31:19.360 people who are

00:31:20.500 making apologies,

00:31:22.040 are using

00:31:22.680 euphemisms for

00:31:24.600 mass murder and

00:31:25.700 support of a

00:31:26.580 doctrine.

00:31:27.080 Remember, Hamas'

00:31:28.100 charter calls for

00:31:30.640 the murder and

00:31:31.560 elimination of

00:31:32.540 Jews.

00:31:32.840 That is the

00:31:33.380 charter.

00:31:34.280 That is the

00:31:34.860 declaration of

00:31:35.720 independence of

00:31:36.660 Hamas is

00:31:38.300 killing Jews.

00:31:39.340 That is its

00:31:40.040 purpose.

00:31:41.240 Its purpose

00:31:41.740 isn't to build a

00:31:42.640 civil society

00:31:43.560 where all can

00:31:44.980 live in peace

00:31:45.820 under a

00:31:47.000 wonderful Muslim

00:31:48.080 rubric.

00:31:48.660 It is to kill

00:31:49.540 Jews.

00:31:50.620 And they went

00:31:51.100 and killed

00:31:51.640 thousands of

00:31:52.880 Jews.

00:31:53.760 They want to

00:31:54.540 kill thousands

00:31:55.100 more.

00:31:55.760 And all of

00:31:56.240 these supporters,

00:31:57.160 what am I

00:31:57.560 supposed to

00:31:58.020 think?

00:31:58.960 They like

00:31:59.720 Hamas?

00:32:00.460 Maybe they

00:32:00.880 want to kill

00:32:01.400 Jews too.

00:32:02.260 And maybe

00:32:02.600 they'll do it

00:32:03.180 here.

00:32:03.640 And they're

00:32:03.960 trying right

00:32:04.780 now.

00:32:05.360 And they

00:32:05.640 just killed

00:32:06.180 Paul Kessler.

00:32:07.200 And they're

00:32:07.720 spraying pepper

00:32:08.620 spraying people's

00:32:09.460 faces.

00:32:10.360 And what if

00:32:10.960 that incident

00:32:11.640 that Christine

00:32:12.320 talked about

00:32:13.060 on the

00:32:13.780 city

00:32:14.020 street where

00:32:15.300 there was

00:32:16.540 an altercation

00:32:17.620 between these

00:32:18.240 two girls,

00:32:18.960 one of whom

00:32:19.360 was trying

00:32:19.780 to stop

00:32:20.380 one from

00:32:21.280 pulling down

00:32:22.020 the kidnap

00:32:22.600 posters.

00:32:23.600 And she

00:32:23.920 threw her

00:32:24.440 to the

00:32:24.760 ground.

00:32:25.100 But what

00:32:25.400 if her

00:32:26.040 head had

00:32:26.920 smashed

00:32:27.300 against the

00:32:27.860 pavement?

00:32:29.620 And she

00:32:30.420 had had a

00:32:30.880 brain aneurysm

00:32:31.680 and died.

00:32:32.360 It's not

00:32:32.860 like that's

00:32:33.500 unthinkable

00:32:34.240 or beyond

00:32:34.820 the bounds

00:32:35.280 of possibility.

00:32:37.380 We're going

00:32:37.620 to show people

00:32:38.080 that in one

00:32:38.980 minute.

00:32:39.880 We've got

00:32:40.320 that.

00:32:40.600 I do want

00:32:40.980 to say this

00:32:41.440 too,

00:32:41.780 though.

00:32:42.320 You don't

00:32:42.980 have to

00:32:43.840 believe the

00:32:44.220 Hamas

00:32:44.500 charter.

00:32:45.260 You don't

00:32:45.480 have to

00:32:45.660 go back

00:32:45.920 and look

00:32:46.220 it up.

00:32:47.120 You don't

00:32:47.360 have to

00:32:47.560 spend time

00:32:47.980 wondering

00:32:48.280 whether they

00:32:48.640 had a

00:32:48.860 change of

00:32:49.200 heart since

00:32:50.280 then.

00:32:51.320 One of

00:32:51.880 Hamas's top

00:32:52.560 leaders came

00:32:53.100 out within

00:32:54.160 the past

00:32:54.500 seven days

00:32:55.000 and reiterated

00:32:56.140 and reiterated

00:32:56.160 and reiterated

00:32:56.180 what will

00:32:56.920 happen going

00:32:58.680 forward,

00:32:59.160 whether there's

00:32:59.560 a ceasefire,

00:33:00.280 whether there's

00:33:00.600 not a

00:33:00.860 ceasefire.

00:33:01.260 No matter

00:33:01.780 what happens

00:33:02.320 at this

00:33:02.580 point,

00:33:02.960 he made

00:33:03.540 their plan,

00:33:04.780 Hamas's plan

00:33:05.480 perfectly clear

00:33:06.640 for those

00:33:07.420 like Queen

00:33:08.140 Rania of

00:33:09.460 Jordan,

00:33:09.860 who's out

00:33:10.220 there again

00:33:10.960 saying we

00:33:11.560 have to have

00:33:12.080 a ceasefire.

00:33:12.900 This is mass

00:33:14.260 punishment,

00:33:14.840 the whole thing,

00:33:15.320 collective punishment.

00:33:16.380 Here's what he

00:33:17.040 said will happen.

00:33:17.620 Israel is a

00:33:20.580 country that

00:33:21.000 has no place

00:33:21.720 on our land.

00:33:22.520 We must

00:33:22.840 remove that

00:33:23.340 country because

00:33:24.300 it constitutes

00:33:24.860 a security,

00:33:25.840 military and

00:33:26.620 political

00:33:27.000 catastrophe to

00:33:28.760 the Arab

00:33:29.120 and Islamic

00:33:29.540 nation and

00:33:30.320 it must be

00:33:30.800 finished.

00:33:31.480 We are not

00:33:31.980 ashamed to

00:33:32.400 say this with

00:33:32.960 full force.

00:33:33.860 We must teach

00:33:34.360 Israel a lesson

00:33:35.020 and we will do

00:33:35.700 this again and

00:33:36.540 again.

00:33:37.220 The Al-Aqsa

00:33:37.700 flood is the

00:33:38.440 first time and

00:33:39.120 there will be a

00:33:39.520 second, a

00:33:40.060 third, a

00:33:40.540 fourth because

00:33:41.420 we have the

00:33:41.840 determination, the

00:33:42.940 resolve and the

00:33:43.720 capabilities to

00:33:44.540 fight.

00:33:45.240 Will we have to

00:33:45.660 pay a price?

00:33:46.520 Yes, and we

00:33:47.160 are ready to

00:33:47.620 pay it.

00:33:48.240 We are called a

00:33:48.980 nation of

00:33:49.360 martyrs and we

00:33:49.900 are proud to

00:33:50.360 sacrifice martyrs.

00:33:51.780 The occupation

00:33:52.560 must come to an

00:33:53.280 end.

00:33:53.840 Occupation where?

00:33:54.660 In the Gaza

00:33:55.100 Strip?

00:33:55.640 No, I'm talking

00:33:56.340 about all the

00:33:56.920 Palestinian lands.

00:33:58.060 Does that mean

00:33:58.440 the annihilation of

00:33:59.280 Israel?

00:33:59.760 Yes, of course.

00:34:01.120 On October 7th,

00:34:02.040 October 10th,

00:34:03.000 October 1 million

00:34:03.960 everything we do

00:34:04.720 is justified.

00:34:07.820 Well, there you

00:34:08.460 have it.

00:34:09.120 I mean, as a

00:34:10.180 prosecutor in a

00:34:11.020 court of law, that

00:34:11.640 would be the spike

00:34:12.220 the ball in the

00:34:13.020 end zone moment,

00:34:13.840 Christine.

00:34:14.800 Yes, the martyrs

00:34:15.900 he refers to, those

00:34:16.800 are civilians.

00:34:17.420 Those are the

00:34:18.140 civilians that we

00:34:19.040 are being told

00:34:19.800 Israel should have a

00:34:20.980 ceasefire for to

00:34:22.200 protect.

00:34:22.980 Their own leaders

00:34:23.840 see them as

00:34:24.760 cannon fodder,

00:34:25.700 useful tools of

00:34:26.940 propaganda and

00:34:27.980 hate that they are

00:34:29.140 happy to sacrifice on

00:34:30.520 the altar of their

00:34:31.240 own pursuit of

00:34:32.040 martyrdom.

00:34:32.580 That is what he

00:34:33.300 means by the

00:34:33.940 martyrs.

00:34:34.420 Yeah, and the

00:34:37.140 occupation.

00:34:37.800 I mean, there's a lot

00:34:38.640 of misinformation in

00:34:39.480 there, but I

00:34:40.500 believe him in his

00:34:41.520 call.

00:34:41.780 They're calling it

00:34:42.260 the Al-Aqsa flood

00:34:43.760 is what they're

00:34:44.620 calling the October

00:34:45.620 7th terrorist

00:34:46.520 massacre.

00:34:47.420 And he says, we're

00:34:48.540 going to do it over

00:34:49.180 and over and over

00:34:50.480 and over again.

00:34:51.460 So what would you do

00:34:52.120 if you were Israel?

00:34:53.020 Just sit back and

00:34:53.820 wait for more babies

00:34:54.820 to be murdered in

00:34:55.480 their cribs?

00:34:56.300 Or would you make

00:34:56.860 sure that you

00:34:57.280 eradicated this group

00:34:58.240 before they could

00:34:58.840 continue murdering

00:35:00.040 your civilians?

00:35:01.040 It's so obvious and

00:35:02.880 yet people refuse to

00:35:04.200 see.

00:35:04.880 And it could be

00:35:05.360 because they have an

00:35:06.620 ideology that's woke

00:35:07.820 and they put it into

00:35:08.840 skin color.

00:35:09.760 It could be because

00:35:10.480 they already hate

00:35:11.580 Jews or simply have

00:35:12.980 absolutely no empathy

00:35:13.940 for them.

00:35:15.240 But there's way more

00:35:17.120 of it in the United

00:35:17.700 States than I ever

00:35:18.800 knew existed.

00:35:19.800 And I think a lot of

00:35:20.420 people are seeing the

00:35:21.920 amount of anti-Semitism

00:35:22.920 putting them on their

00:35:24.100 heels.

00:35:24.740 Stand by one minute.

00:35:25.560 We're going to come

00:35:25.960 back with John and

00:35:26.500 Christine and we're

00:35:27.360 going to get into a

00:35:27.920 little bit more of

00:35:28.420 this poster tear down

00:35:29.360 thing.

00:35:30.040 And how it's

00:35:30.780 escalating more and

00:35:31.640 more.

00:35:31.920 Stand by.

00:35:33.200 Your business doesn't

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00:36:07.160 Despite some people

00:36:08.460 losing their jobs for

00:36:09.720 taking down flyers of

00:36:11.660 the Israeli hostages,

00:36:13.980 keep in mind these are

00:36:14.800 children.

00:36:15.540 These are children who

00:36:16.420 we believe are being

00:36:17.120 held underground by

00:36:17.980 Hamas terrorists right

00:36:19.440 now.

00:36:20.180 And many people trying

00:36:21.240 to call attention to

00:36:22.040 them.

00:36:22.260 Many Americans trying

00:36:22.960 to call attention to

00:36:23.700 them, their relatives,

00:36:24.800 by posting their flyers,

00:36:26.580 their pictures, in places

00:36:28.240 like New York and

00:36:28.940 elsewhere, and that

00:36:30.420 this so-called pro-

00:36:31.780 Palestinian crowd

00:36:32.660 seems to be more

00:36:34.040 pro-Hamas, pulling

00:36:35.780 them down.

00:36:36.520 We continue to see it

00:36:37.420 happening.

00:36:37.940 They know they're

00:36:38.900 risking their jobs.

00:36:39.960 They just can't help

00:36:40.580 themselves.

00:36:41.380 But like John said

00:36:42.160 moments ago, we're not

00:36:43.360 going to let them just

00:36:44.120 get away with it.

00:36:44.700 I have been avidly

00:36:46.080 retweeting stop

00:36:47.160 anti-Semitism, which

00:36:48.440 been doing a great job

00:36:49.560 documenting all of

00:36:50.400 this, because I'm

00:36:51.540 perfectly happy to name

00:36:52.780 and shame these people.

00:36:54.180 Perfectly happy to name

00:36:55.080 and shame them.

00:36:55.800 I'm perfectly happy to

00:36:56.760 name and shame all these

00:36:57.720 college campus losers

00:36:58.920 who are saying this

00:37:00.100 stuff.

00:37:00.620 It's not it's not

00:37:01.540 cancel culture.

00:37:02.700 They're free to say

00:37:03.180 whatever the hell they

00:37:03.740 want, and I am free not

00:37:04.820 to hire them.

00:37:05.740 And so are you.

00:37:07.020 First up today, an

00:37:08.040 attorney for the city of

00:37:09.040 New York recorded

00:37:10.160 tearing down photos of

00:37:11.880 missing civilians

00:37:12.780 kidnapped by Hamas.

00:37:13.820 Watch.

00:37:15.420 Why are you taking down

00:37:16.560 pictures of missing

00:37:17.460 children?

00:37:18.340 Why are you taking down

00:37:19.360 pictures of missing

00:37:20.180 children?

00:37:21.260 Why are you taking down

00:37:22.320 pictures of missing

00:37:23.260 children?

00:37:24.300 Why are you taking down

00:37:25.560 pictures of babies?

00:37:29.160 First of all, I love

00:37:30.060 that, like the high voice

00:37:31.060 of the woman doing the

00:37:32.020 the photography like

00:37:33.400 videotape.

00:37:33.880 Good for her.

00:37:34.280 It sounds like a small

00:37:36.040 woman, doesn't it?

00:37:37.180 Sounds like a petite,

00:37:38.340 maybe young college age

00:37:40.100 woman.

00:37:40.800 Good for you, sister.

00:37:42.320 This is how you fight

00:37:43.160 back.

00:37:43.480 She didn't want to tell

00:37:44.660 us her name in the

00:37:45.180 video.

00:37:45.560 We now know it's

00:37:46.180 Victoria Ruiz and we

00:37:47.840 now know who she was

00:37:48.880 because of that brave

00:37:49.860 girl with the high voice

00:37:51.420 documenting the bad

00:37:53.020 acts.

00:37:53.900 Victoria works as a New

00:37:55.380 York County public

00:37:56.920 defender.

00:37:58.100 Good luck to you if you're

00:37:59.080 a Jewish person who

00:37:59.880 finds themselves on the

00:38:00.780 wrong end of the

00:38:01.220 criminal law and she

00:38:01.940 winds up being

00:38:02.420 appointed to you.

00:38:03.480 She quickly got a

00:38:04.460 point.

00:38:04.880 She quickly apologized

00:38:05.920 when she got caught,

00:38:06.840 but it was not genuine.

00:38:07.640 It was just to keep her

00:38:08.740 job since she only

00:38:09.980 apologized to her

00:38:11.360 employer.

00:38:12.200 When the New York

00:38:12.940 Post reached out to the

00:38:13.800 defender's office about

00:38:14.860 Ruiz, a spokesperson

00:38:15.760 responded, quote,

00:38:17.080 Ms. Ruiz has apologized

00:38:18.280 to those who were hurt

00:38:19.340 or confused by her

00:38:21.100 actions.

00:38:21.660 We weren't confused at

00:38:22.520 all.

00:38:23.500 After an internal review

00:38:24.600 and a pledge by all

00:38:26.040 involved to do better,

00:38:28.100 we accept this apology.

00:38:30.440 What exactly does a

00:38:31.440 pledge by all involved

00:38:32.820 to do better mean?

00:38:34.960 Does it mean going

00:38:35.720 forward, the defender's

00:38:36.580 office pledges it won't

00:38:37.520 hire anti-Semites

00:38:38.600 because cool, good.

00:38:40.180 Or maybe the hostages

00:38:41.200 themselves should have

00:38:42.360 done better.

00:38:43.060 What with all the

00:38:43.760 getting kidnapped they

00:38:45.300 were doing.

00:38:46.420 The babies should have

00:38:47.560 been more quiet.

00:38:48.440 How is it that anyone

00:38:49.920 other than Ms. Ruiz

00:38:51.340 needs to do better?

00:38:53.860 Next up today, a

00:38:54.940 Hunter College student

00:38:55.760 caught tearing down

00:38:56.600 posters and when

00:38:57.980 confronted on her

00:38:58.960 actions, quickly took

00:39:00.720 the coward's way out by

00:39:02.700 trying to hide her

00:39:03.600 face.

00:39:05.720 Oh, so brave, tearing

00:39:19.800 down the hostage

00:39:20.380 photos, but not quite

00:39:21.720 brave enough to

00:39:22.660 actually own it.

00:39:23.900 But thanks to stop

00:39:25.040 anti-Semitism again,

00:39:26.420 she's been identified

00:39:27.280 and her name is

00:39:28.000 Frances Hamed.

00:39:29.800 She's a Macaulay

00:39:31.200 fellow, which means she

00:39:32.380 goes to college in New

00:39:33.180 York City for free.

00:39:34.400 And yet she seems to

00:39:35.680 really hate Western

00:39:36.420 ideals.

00:39:37.280 And when hiding your

00:39:38.360 face doesn't work, just

00:39:39.640 cry racism.

00:39:41.020 Go back to the old

00:39:42.200 playbook.

00:39:43.140 This next video has

00:39:44.260 gone completely viral.

00:39:45.460 It's the one we talked

00:39:46.180 about briefly in the

00:39:46.940 first block.

00:39:47.660 It shows a young black

00:39:49.000 woman taking down the

00:39:50.440 hostage signs in New

00:39:51.420 York City.

00:39:52.140 She's then confronted by

00:39:53.220 a Jewish woman and a

00:39:54.800 fight breaks out.

00:39:55.560 Watch it.

00:39:55.840 Ah, play the black

00:40:08.620 card.

00:40:09.440 It's almost

00:40:09.740 unbelievable.

00:40:10.840 You know how scary it

00:40:11.560 is to be black and be

00:40:12.280 dragged off for no

00:40:12.920 reason?

00:40:13.840 I bet those hostages know

00:40:14.980 how it feels to be

00:40:15.700 dragged off against your

00:40:16.600 will.

00:40:17.260 And yet she doesn't

00:40:17.780 seem to have a lot of

00:40:18.460 empathy for them.

00:40:19.680 That woman has not yet

00:40:20.680 been identified, but she

00:40:21.700 will be and will bring

00:40:23.120 her you her name once we

00:40:24.180 get it back with me now.

00:40:25.440 John Podoritz and

00:40:26.520 Christine Rosen of the

00:40:27.900 Commentary Magazine

00:40:29.200 podcast.

00:40:30.300 Don't be a freeloader.

00:40:31.640 Pay, support them and

00:40:33.980 listen to them as often

00:40:35.420 as possible.

00:40:35.840 There's always tons of

00:40:36.980 wisdom.

00:40:37.620 And I know.

00:40:38.040 Within five days a week

00:40:39.100 like you.

00:40:39.820 Yeah.

00:40:40.420 Yes, it's not.

00:40:41.700 And of course, you know,

00:40:42.560 you guys have an intimate

00:40:43.640 connection with Israel and

00:40:45.220 the Jewish community.

00:40:46.320 And so this is a

00:40:47.320 particularly close story

00:40:49.240 to your hearts.

00:40:49.720 But your political

00:40:50.900 analysis is always fun to

00:40:51.920 listen to the media

00:40:52.880 analysis.

00:40:53.220 It's good on a number

00:40:54.280 of levels.

00:40:54.680 I love commentary.

00:40:55.820 And my pal Noah Rothman

00:40:57.160 was great when he

00:40:57.840 migrated over to the

00:40:58.940 editors, which I also

00:40:59.780 enjoy.

00:41:00.240 In any event, you can't

00:41:01.580 lose.

00:41:01.860 So what do you make,

00:41:03.320 John, of all these

00:41:04.200 morons, these so-called,

00:41:05.820 you know, social justice

00:41:06.880 warriors pulling down the

00:41:08.720 photos of missing

00:41:09.560 children?

00:41:11.380 I think there is a deep

00:41:13.820 impulse here.

00:41:16.400 To say that the efforts

00:41:19.320 by people to remain,

00:41:21.440 remain to put and keep

00:41:22.860 the hostages front and

00:41:25.420 center in the American

00:41:26.900 consciousness so people

00:41:28.280 understand that what

00:41:30.040 happened on October 7th has

00:41:32.780 not ended.

00:41:34.460 It has not ended.

00:41:36.260 It will not end until those

00:41:39.120 people are freed or even

00:41:42.960 more tragically until we know

00:41:44.960 what their terrible fates

00:41:48.660 might have been.

00:41:51.600 And the effort on the part

00:41:54.100 of the people who are

00:41:55.820 uncomfortable by Israel's

00:41:58.660 deciding that it has to

00:42:00.380 defend itself, want people

00:42:03.220 to think that this was like

00:42:06.080 a horrible summer storm that

00:42:09.620 just came up, blew everything

00:42:12.160 away, now it's over, cease

00:42:15.120 fire, because the people

00:42:18.840 of Gaza are going to suffer

00:42:20.740 from the Israeli

00:42:22.420 counter-strike.

00:42:24.120 And the living refutation of

00:42:26.840 that propagandistic idea

00:42:29.340 are those 240 people, one of

00:42:33.880 whom is 10 months old.

00:42:36.920 Like, my sister lives in

00:42:39.960 Israel, has two, has four

00:42:42.060 grandchildren, two of them

00:42:43.360 babies.

00:42:44.340 She cannot sleep at night

00:42:46.240 because she thinks about who

00:42:48.780 is changing Kafir's diaper.

00:42:51.560 Like, it is haunting her.

00:42:53.460 She lives in Tel Aviv.

00:42:55.140 Her two relatively newborn

00:42:58.020 grandchildren live in the

00:42:59.460 center of the country.

00:43:00.740 It is impossible for people

00:43:03.700 like that not to have the

00:43:05.620 experience of thinking, as

00:43:08.820 the Passover Haggadah tells us

00:43:11.700 every year, tells us Jews,

00:43:13.960 that it is our mission to

00:43:16.600 think as though and live as

00:43:18.860 though we had been slaves in

00:43:21.860 Egypt.

00:43:22.920 Everyone in Israel is living

00:43:25.820 as though they were a hostage

00:43:27.980 in a tunnel in Gaza.

00:43:31.540 And Israel is not going to

00:43:33.600 relent.

00:43:34.240 And they can tear down every

00:43:36.480 poster they see.

00:43:38.060 First of all, people are going

00:43:39.920 to put them right back up.

00:43:41.640 And second of all, the world

00:43:43.360 is going to know who they are

00:43:45.000 and the heartlessness that they

00:43:46.400 are displaying.

00:43:47.660 And third of all, it's not

00:43:50.940 going to stop one centimeter of

00:43:54.580 Israel's advance because the

00:43:59.640 Jewish religion requires,

00:44:02.500 requires the recovery of

00:44:06.420 hostages.

00:44:07.320 It is a commandment in the

00:44:10.580 Torah.

00:44:11.600 It is very much a subject that is

00:44:14.280 reflected upon at length in the

00:44:16.860 Talmud because the taking of

00:44:19.460 hostages was such a common act

00:44:22.740 at the time that the Israelites and

00:44:26.120 the Hebrews were functioning.

00:44:28.640 This is a key element in Jewish

00:44:31.740 law.

00:44:32.660 And we cannot stop.

00:44:36.120 We are commanded not to stop and

00:44:39.440 we are not going to stop.

00:44:42.760 So tear down those posters.

00:44:44.280 I love seeing the ones with like

00:44:45.860 the heavy packing tape around

00:44:48.280 them, you know, and now these

00:44:49.380 they're having a very difficult

00:44:50.780 time pulling the tape down.

00:44:52.460 It's actually very fun to watch

00:44:53.760 them really struggle to get the

00:44:55.940 tape off of because they really

00:44:57.360 want the posters.

00:44:58.060 If they would work this hard at

00:44:59.020 their actual jobs, they might

00:45:00.240 actually succeed in life as it's

00:45:01.740 going.

00:45:02.200 I don't have high hopes.

00:45:05.200 Friends of mine who are very much

00:45:07.160 involved in the posterizing

00:45:08.820 experience have learned things over

00:45:11.160 the last 30 days.

00:45:12.280 Like you can't just put up a piece

00:45:14.040 of paper.

00:45:14.520 It's too hard to tear down.

00:45:15.760 So go laminate them to laminate

00:45:18.120 them.

00:45:18.400 They're kind of easy to tear down.

00:45:19.940 So, but the thing about a

00:45:21.040 laminate is, yeah, if you take

00:45:22.780 clear packing tape and you wrap it

00:45:25.280 around it, that's not so easy.

00:45:27.860 But of course, if you do it too

00:45:29.120 tight, then people can't see the

00:45:30.620 faces.

00:45:31.220 There is a whole process by which

00:45:33.180 this is becoming a professional

00:45:35.520 operation to keep the fact of these

00:45:39.160 people who have been taken by

00:45:41.640 Hamas as human shields, as

00:45:44.160 bargaining chips and as people, God

00:45:48.120 knows what they're doing to them.

00:45:50.120 God knows what they're doing to

00:45:51.620 them in the tunnels.

00:45:52.780 And can we add the contrast

00:45:54.340 between John mentioned there was a

00:45:56.500 pro-Israel gathering in New York

00:45:58.620 yesterday.

00:45:59.520 There'll be another large one here

00:46:00.860 on the mall in Washington, D.C.

00:46:02.300 next week.

00:46:03.100 I've seen several around town.

00:46:05.320 People show their faces.

00:46:06.600 They pray.

00:46:07.360 They sing.

00:46:07.840 They hold up pictures of these

00:46:09.600 hostages.

00:46:11.000 That's how that's how people who are

00:46:12.880 supporting the state of Israel right

00:46:14.080 now have chosen to acknowledge this

00:46:16.020 terrible moment.

00:46:17.440 Look at the pro-Palestinian protests.

00:46:20.100 Look at the people tearing down those

00:46:21.560 posters.

00:46:22.040 They hide.

00:46:22.820 Their shame is felt for a reason.

00:46:24.620 They hide their faces.

00:46:25.800 They run away when they're caught.

00:46:27.320 They know what they're doing.

00:46:29.180 And so I think that contrast is also

00:46:31.160 quite striking to me.

00:46:32.360 And I was thinking back to 9-11 and the

00:46:34.400 pictures all over New York when people

00:46:35.880 were still missing and people were

00:46:37.740 looking for their loved ones in the in

00:46:39.320 the rubble of the towers and as as well

00:46:42.960 in here in D.C. with the Pentagon having

00:46:45.220 been hit.

00:46:46.840 Imagine college students tearing down

00:46:49.700 those pictures and instead draping

00:46:51.720 themselves in the flags of al-Qaeda and

00:46:54.280 other terrorist groups.

00:46:55.240 That's what's happening right now.

00:46:56.760 That's like the shirt that reads.

00:46:58.660 Oh, it's complicated.

00:46:59.720 It needs context.

00:47:00.980 Right.

00:47:01.180 By the way, I really think they would

00:47:02.520 do well to take.

00:47:03.380 They should talk to the people who

00:47:04.420 invent and sell scissors and shears

00:47:07.360 because those are absolutely impossible

00:47:09.680 to unwrap when you get them.

00:47:11.200 And whoever came up with the wrapping

00:47:13.340 of scissors would know exactly how to

00:47:15.860 protect the hostage posters.

00:47:17.680 You could never get them down.

00:47:19.220 It's yeah.

00:47:19.800 Either that or Fisher Price children's

00:47:22.360 toys.

00:47:22.620 Any children's toy.

00:47:23.820 I was going to say Christmas packaging.

00:47:26.360 Like, like, try to get one of those

00:47:28.260 toys out of that box.

00:47:30.320 I'm trying to think of, like, the

00:47:31.280 hardest things to unwrap.

00:47:33.700 OK, I've got to ask you about the

00:47:37.020 disgusting display at the Statue of

00:47:38.840 Liberty and and Jewish voices for

00:47:42.200 peace.

00:47:42.980 Alan Dershowitz says they're not Jewish

00:47:44.880 voices and they're not for peace, but

00:47:46.920 they've they keep getting cited by the

00:47:49.020 mainstream media is like, see, these

00:47:50.440 Jewish people, they're against what

00:47:52.400 Israel's doing.

00:47:53.460 And they went to the Statue of

00:47:55.580 Liberty, which you don't mess with.

00:47:57.960 You guys know, John, you're a New

00:47:59.560 Yorker lifelong.

00:48:00.480 You don't mess with the Statue of

00:48:01.820 Liberty.

00:48:02.140 It's a hard no.

00:48:03.240 And yet here they are in Sot 9.

00:48:04.920 Never again for anyone.

00:48:34.920 Um, Natan Sharansky, who spent 11 years

00:48:40.480 in Soviet prisons for the crime of

00:48:43.460 wanting to emigrate to Israel, finally

00:48:45.540 emigrated to Israel in 1986, became a

00:48:49.240 major is a major world figure in the

00:48:52.660 matter of human rights, human dignity.

00:48:54.760 One of the great heroes of our time.

00:48:57.160 He, uh, and his colleague and others, uh,

00:49:01.120 colleague, his colleague, Gil Troy, uh,

00:49:03.920 refers to such people as un-Jews.

00:49:07.040 Uh, they've written a piece about the

00:49:09.620 Jews who advocate for causes that are

00:49:13.260 directly injurious to Jews.

00:49:16.380 They're un-Jews because they cannot not

00:49:19.040 be Jews.

00:49:19.860 The Jewish religion says that even if you

00:49:22.600 convert out of Judaism, we still consider

00:49:25.780 you part of the tribe, we more, we, we are

00:49:29.020 angry at you.

00:49:30.080 We excommunicate you.

00:49:31.620 We do all sorts of things that we can do

00:49:33.700 to you, but you are still a Jew, but you

00:49:37.120 are an un-Jew.

00:49:38.540 The ultimate un-Jews on the planet are the

00:49:40.780 members of Jewish Voice for Peace who use

00:49:43.820 their standing as Jews to attack, degrade, and

00:49:49.660 harm their own people.

00:49:52.840 It is an astonishing display.

00:49:55.260 First of all, I'm sure a whole lot of them

00:49:57.460 aren't Jewish to begin with.

00:49:59.560 It's a, it's a scam operation, but it's also

00:50:02.240 there to provide cover for people like

00:50:04.500 Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, uh, uh, Corey

00:50:08.580 Bush, others who are either implicitly or

00:50:12.300 openly anti-Semitic, but who can say, oh, I'm

00:50:14.940 not anti-Semitic.

00:50:16.580 Look, my policy director is part of, uh, is

00:50:19.380 part of a Jewish organization.

00:50:21.020 It's called the Jewish Voice for Peace.

00:50:23.120 So how can I possibly be considered anything

00:50:26.820 but kosher?

00:50:27.880 You got, you got to pay attention to that

00:50:29.600 name, Jewish Voices for Peace, and of

00:50:31.040 course, Students for Justice in Palestine

00:50:32.320 who all want the same thing, and it's not

00:50:34.600 for Israel to thrive or even survive.

00:50:38.340 John Podoretz, Christine Rosen.

00:50:40.160 Next time we'll get Abe on, uh, it'll be,

00:50:43.380 we'll get the whole gang going.

00:50:44.640 Matthew, love him too.

00:50:45.680 He's been on the program before.

00:50:46.760 Great to see you in person.

00:50:48.400 All the best to you on the Upper West, my

00:50:49.640 friend, and we'll be right back.

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00:51:26.180 Joining me now, senior editor for The

00:51:28.580 Post Millennial, journalist Andy Ngo.

00:51:31.280 He's been reporting on some of the blatant

00:51:33.640 displays of anti-Semitism that we have

00:51:35.360 seen across the country and the globe,

00:51:37.160 which seemed to mirror his past reporting

00:51:40.060 on Antifa and BLM.

00:51:42.040 We've had him on before to talk about some

00:51:43.720 of those incidents, including the ones that

00:51:45.960 endangered his own life.

00:51:48.380 Andy, welcome back to the show.

00:51:49.520 Great to have you.

00:51:51.240 Thank you for having me on, Megan.

00:51:52.520 I cannot believe everything that has

00:51:55.420 happened in your life since the last time

00:51:57.140 you came on and we talked about your

00:51:59.640 coverage of Antifa, how you'd been

00:52:01.780 attacked, you've now sued, you won one,

00:52:05.920 you lost a couple with defendants, but you

00:52:08.820 won as well.

00:52:10.000 And now something very similar is unfolding

00:52:14.300 before our very eyes with these pro-Palestinian

00:52:17.680 protests, which are tending more and more to

00:52:21.060 include violence.

00:52:22.020 We just saw the death of this Jewish man

00:52:23.780 today, Paul Kessler.

00:52:25.700 Yesterday it happened.

00:52:27.040 I know you've been over in London where

00:52:28.900 things are getting very serious.

00:52:31.380 I mean, even more so than we've seen

00:52:33.660 necessarily other than Paul Kessler here

00:52:36.040 with the protests.

00:52:36.840 So talk to me about what you've seen over

00:52:39.080 in the UK as you've been covering the

00:52:41.040 aftermath of October 7th.

00:52:43.240 So most people are familiar in my work on

00:52:45.760 the Antifa reporting that I've done over

00:52:48.380 the years.

00:52:48.800 But before that, one of the beats that I used

00:52:51.180 to write about a lot, and it also made me

00:52:54.240 unpopular, was about Islamic extremism,

00:52:57.360 immigration, separatist communities.

00:53:00.640 And that skill set I've been able to bring

00:53:02.680 out as I've returned back to field reporting

00:53:05.680 doing on the ground video coverage.

00:53:08.840 In the UK, we've seen since the 7th of

00:53:13.640 October, there have been every weekend and

00:53:17.080 sometimes during the weekday, very large,

00:53:20.080 ostensibly pro-Palestine rallies.

00:53:22.920 But within these, there are pockets and

00:53:25.960 elements of violent extremism that, to the

00:53:30.740 average person, they might miss because the

00:53:33.840 chants may be in Arabic, they may be in another

00:53:36.120 language.

00:53:36.660 And because I have some background in this area

00:53:39.920 of extremism, as a previous reporter on this

00:53:43.080 beat, I've been able to capture some of that

00:53:45.140 video footage, such as those who have been very

00:53:47.880 explicit in calling for jihad, chants in Arabic

00:53:52.100 about Muhammad's army returning to slaughter the

00:53:56.540 Jews.

00:53:56.920 And all this is building up to politicians here are

00:54:03.440 quite concerned because this upcoming weekend in the

00:54:07.640 UK is Remembrance Weekend.

00:54:10.700 In the US, it's the same day as Veterans Day.

00:54:13.060 It's a very big holiday, solemn day here.

00:54:18.320 And it coincides on Saturday, the 11th of November, with

00:54:22.660 another Palestine demonstration being called the

00:54:25.860 Million Man March.

00:54:28.040 Now, I think your audience is familiar with what's

00:54:32.680 been happening in the US, where you see university

00:54:35.620 student radicals, academics, and others going out

00:54:40.260 and being not just pro-Palestine, but often quite

00:54:44.100 explicitly pro-Hamas and pro-Hamas terrorism.

00:54:47.920 In the UK, you have that as well.

00:54:50.060 But there's an element of religious extremism to it,

00:54:55.020 given the demographic differences between the US and

00:54:58.360 Europe, that is manifesting.

00:55:00.600 And it's manifesting in dangerous ways and can be

00:55:04.340 potentially be very explosive, given that there's a

00:55:07.680 longer history of Islamic terrorism happening here.

00:55:11.040 I mean, just in the days after the 7th of October, there

00:55:15.200 was a deadly terrorist attack in the UK that most people

00:55:18.440 didn't even hear about here or in the US.

00:55:20.860 There was a deadly stabbing attack in the north of England, and

00:55:25.300 authorities have been very tight-lipped about it, just saying

00:55:28.420 that it was by a Moroccan...

00:55:32.320 The suspect is a Moroccan refugee.

00:55:36.760 So there's already been deadly violence here in relation to the

00:55:42.420 Israel and Hamas conflict.

00:55:43.980 What similarities, if any, do you see between Antifa and these groups

00:55:50.560 showing up at the pro-Palestinian protests?

00:55:55.880 The huge demonstrations that have been happening in the US and UK have

00:55:59.560 brought out a wide coalition of...

00:56:03.920 In a way, you can view them sort of as strange bedfellows.

00:56:06.320 I mean, what do Muslim immigrants, Islamists, Muslim extremists, and radical

00:56:13.700 white leftists have in common?

00:56:17.320 On the surface, you wouldn't think they have things in common, but they do share

00:56:21.980 often the same targets, the same political enemies, that being America and

00:56:31.400 America's friends and allies.

00:56:34.400 I think the Antifa element in the US, or the radical left, I should broaden it a little

00:56:41.880 bit.

00:56:42.140 We have now a generation and a half of university students who have been, in my view,

00:56:49.460 brainwashed into leftist militancy.

00:56:52.420 And they have no moral compass, and they have no moral foundation for anything.

00:57:00.380 And because they've been radicalized, it's very easy for them to be directed into the

00:57:07.020 cause of the day.

00:57:08.740 And within that, you have a context of decades now of Palestinian nationalist propaganda in

00:57:19.080 the West being extremely effective, not only in the media, but also through the academy.

00:57:24.280 And it's merging and incorporating with various critical race theories and decolonization

00:57:30.300 theories.

00:57:31.680 And this is the cause that has been able to bring people out in ways we haven't seen since

00:57:38.380 2020 George Floyd-inspired riots.

00:57:42.820 And in fact, it's often the same people who were involved then who are now taking to the

00:57:49.320 streets with the goal to destabilize America, to pressure our politicians to turn our backs

00:57:59.040 on our friends and allies internationally.

00:58:01.020 And it's a scary time because I think, I mean, we just, I'm speaking to you a day after a Jewish

00:58:12.400 man was killed in a homicide related to a Palestine protest in Southern California.

00:58:21.020 So, you know, these are not just peaceful protests that are happening.

00:58:25.240 You have extremist rhetoric.

00:58:26.540 You have people calling for terrorism.

00:58:28.320 You have people praising terrorism.

00:58:29.560 You have coalitions of people that is being built who have already shown themselves to

00:58:36.160 be extremely radical and supportive of the use of terrorism as a tactic.

00:58:43.040 Well, that's the thing.

00:58:44.180 It's not just, it's not like this thing broke out two months ago before October 7th.

00:58:48.700 And we're just right back in the middle of the Israel-Palestinian conflict that we've been

00:58:52.980 arguing over for decades.

00:58:54.680 They're out there chanting death to Israel and to wipe Israel off the face of the map.

00:59:00.200 Effectively, that's what from the river to the sea means right after this civilian torture

00:59:05.780 and mass murder happened of the Israelis.

00:59:08.260 I mean, so why wouldn't you be afraid?

00:59:10.360 Why wouldn't you look at this group and say, what exactly is that they support?

00:59:14.240 And am I safe?

00:59:15.660 Especially if you're a Jewish person, you got some of this on tape.

00:59:19.280 You've been, I mean, as I mentioned, but you've been great about the reason you got

00:59:22.840 attacked by Antifa was because you kind of embed yourselves within the groups and then

00:59:28.440 you document what they do.

00:59:29.860 And that made you a target and they did get you, but you survived, thank God, and wound

00:59:34.560 up bringing them to court, which is absolutely the way to handle it.

00:59:37.760 So here you are now out in Trafalgar Square, London, documenting some of what's happening

00:59:43.680 there.

00:59:43.920 This is Sot 33.

00:59:46.760 Israel is a terrorist state.

00:59:49.860 Terror state.

00:59:51.720 Terror state.

00:59:53.100 Occupation no more.

00:59:56.040 Israel is a terrorist state.

00:59:59.260 And here's a little bit more in Sot 34 as we listen to chants of Allahu Akbar, which

01:00:05.480 we keep hearing over and over.

01:00:07.520 Same chant they yelled before they took the Twin Towers down and crashed into the Pentagon

01:00:12.320 in those planes in 9-11.

01:00:13.680 So there's been, I think there was just this past Saturday, tens of thousands of protesters

01:00:32.880 showing up at one of these on the streets of London and 29, this is from your article

01:00:38.060 at Human Events, 29 pro-Palestinian rioters were arrested, charges like assaulting police,

01:00:45.000 inciting racial hatred, other racially motivated crimes.

01:00:48.480 When you walk amongst the crowds, Andy, what kind of people are these?

01:00:53.180 You know, I mean, are these professionals?

01:00:55.800 Are they all young college student types?

01:00:57.940 Are these people who clearly have never been to college?

01:01:00.020 Like what, what kind of demographics are you seeing?

01:01:05.780 Primarily young people.

01:01:07.340 You, there are, the majority of them are those of Muslim heritage.

01:01:12.880 Some are practicing, some are not.

01:01:16.300 And then there are white leftists who are there too in a smaller amount.

01:01:22.240 And I'm really glad that you played the video of the Allahu Akbar chants because that, that

01:01:28.540 has been one of the rallying cries.

01:01:30.000 And it's, um, I don't think I can overstate how provocative of a chant it is because on the

01:01:39.300 surface, Allahu Akbar is something that is chanted, um, during the daily prayers for Muslims,

01:01:44.460 but these people are not doing it with, um, uh, during, during the prayer, uh, for the day

01:01:51.440 on, on, um, on the carpet, on a, on a rug.

01:01:55.360 And I think they're doing it in the context of, as a political statement, echoing and mirroring

01:02:03.420 the chants of what Hamas did as they were carrying out atrocities on video and, um, slaughtering

01:02:09.960 people and defiling the bodies.

01:02:13.360 And, uh, unfortunately we in the West just sort of expect this as a normal occurrence at

01:02:20.860 these demonstrations.

01:02:21.680 But I think it, it, it demonstrates to me that within certain, um, immigrant communities

01:02:28.620 or those of heritage in the Middle East or of Muslim background, that there's, there's

01:02:34.240 a particular, uh, racial and or religious solidarity that they have with, um, their brothers and

01:02:41.380 sisters and using their language in, in the Palestinian territories in a way that I think

01:02:45.680 the normie white American or white British doesn't really understand.

01:02:49.800 You, you have to be on the ground to see the dedication that these people have.

01:02:54.800 And, um, the fact that it is coupled often with, um, either support for violence or incitement

01:03:01.940 to violence or actual violence.

01:03:04.000 Um, this is a powder keg.

01:03:07.320 Um, and it's, it's actually really terrifying, I think for, for, for not, for the future and

01:03:13.300 in, in the current reality for Europe.

01:03:16.220 Yeah.

01:03:16.520 Well, I mean, we were talking in our last segment about the pro-Israel rally that happened in

01:03:21.080 New York last night.

01:03:22.780 Very different scene.

01:03:23.860 Now, 29 people were not arrested and accused of racial hate and assaulting police officers.

01:03:29.180 Here's what that looked like.

01:03:30.100 Let's rock New York City.

01:03:42.020 I said one last time.

01:03:49.100 So everybody can hear us.

01:03:51.260 My friend was there.

01:04:03.380 She said it was absolutely beautiful.

01:04:04.900 They stood quietly.

01:04:06.180 They were singing songs.

01:04:07.680 They waved Israeli flags.

01:04:09.860 That's it.

01:04:10.700 Uh, you know, weirdly, no assaulting police officer, inciting racial hatred and other racially

01:04:15.700 motivated crimes that that did not happen.

01:04:18.040 No one was, as they were in London, arrested on suspicion of breaching the terrorism act.

01:04:23.100 Um, and on and on the descriptions go.

01:04:25.380 It's just, you know, ABC news can try to describe and dismiss these pro-Palestinian protests as

01:04:31.960 quote, passionate protests, as we saw from their chief White House correspondent after they

01:04:37.420 were putting fake blood all over the White House gates the other day.

01:04:40.860 Um, that's, that's what a passionate protest looks like with the Israelis there.

01:04:44.660 It was more of a vigil in honor of the dead, in honor of an ally of the West's of America's

01:04:51.040 that's fighting for its very existence right now.

01:04:53.820 I want to turn the page, Andy, because you, you've been involved in a lot of, a lot of

01:04:57.560 news and it's a story that we didn't get to yesterday because we were just doing too

01:05:01.360 many other things.

01:05:01.900 But I want to talk about the manifesto out of Nashville.

01:05:03.980 Um, Stephen Crowder broke this news.

01:05:07.640 He's been on the program many times and he got his hands on three pages of the manifesto

01:05:13.900 that was written by the shooter in this Nashville shooting that happened in February of this year.

01:05:20.640 Uh, it's a woman, a young woman who claims she's a trans male.

01:05:25.560 She was sort of trying, you know, posing as a male, um, but biologically female.

01:05:30.360 And she shot up a school killing, um, six individuals, including children.

01:05:35.440 And she died as well.

01:05:37.260 Now, all this time later, we're going on a year later, they have not released the manifesto.

01:05:43.120 And this is very unusual.

01:05:44.580 I do not remember another case in which this has happened as disturbing as it might be.

01:05:49.580 And as they always are, they're always deranged rantings, um, they release them because the

01:05:56.100 public has a right to know they can be understood.

01:05:58.880 They can provide a window into usually madness, um, and potentially motivation.

01:06:05.360 Not in this case in Nashville, the FBI has kept it.

01:06:09.060 The local authorities have kept it.

01:06:10.440 No one's leaked it.

01:06:11.560 And they just keep saying whatever's in there is so horrific that we can't release it.

01:06:16.360 It's, and you know, all along, it just makes you say, well, what is so awful that we can't

01:06:20.620 see it?

01:06:20.940 Like they're all awful.

01:06:22.480 No one, no mass shooters manifesto is a nice read.

01:06:25.660 So what is it that's so in any event, what appears to have happened is, and I haven't

01:06:30.560 talked to Steve and I haven't seen his whole presentation, but someone they it's believed

01:06:34.700 to be, and he didn't give up the source.

01:06:36.260 It's believed to be in local law enforcement who got fed up with this hiding of the manifesto

01:06:41.340 released three pages of it to him.

01:06:43.040 I understand you've now seen it as well through Steven and some pages have been, he's posted

01:06:49.520 though.

01:06:49.800 YouTube has banned them.

01:06:51.060 So what have they revealed to you?

01:06:55.020 So, um, when I, uh, spoke with my contacts at, um, uh, Steven Crowder show, I did inquire

01:07:02.520 how did they receive these documents?

01:07:04.520 And their quote to me was, uh, from a source close with law enforcement.

01:07:08.740 So I do, I, I'm of the view that the public has a right to know what this, um, mass school

01:07:17.240 shooter wrote and did in the days and hours leading up, um, to the horrific actions in,

01:07:24.140 in March of this year, there have been some family members of the victims who have stated

01:07:29.080 publicly that they did not want this release.

01:07:31.180 Um, I, I, I hear them, I listen to them, but I, I think it's in the public interest to

01:07:36.880 know.

01:07:37.140 We don't have the full writings from this notebook.

01:07:40.560 Uh, there have been only three pages released, um, through Steven Crowder.

01:07:45.140 Um, but what they do show is, um, there is a, a pathological grievance ideology that is

01:07:54.720 running through some of the, uh, screeds through these pages, um, a hatred of white people, a

01:08:01.140 resentment against, uh, their perceived wealth and the privileges they have.

01:08:06.500 Some, and I mean, these are hateful ramblings, um, against children.

01:08:12.760 And I, I think one thing that, uh, one of the pages that was, uh, really chilling and

01:08:19.040 disturbing to me was, um, like this, as the shooter wrote out a schedule for the day and

01:08:25.700 it was so, uh, the way they did it was so calm in that, uh, early in the morning, there's

01:08:31.260 breakfast and then there's time for lunch.

01:08:33.200 And then there's time to take care of stuffed animals and belongings.

01:08:37.240 And then down, as you go further down, that there's a time for, uh, going to the covenant

01:08:42.740 school.

01:08:43.460 And so this person, um, was clearly very committed to it.

01:08:48.740 And viewed it, I don't know if this person even realized that this was, uh, that they

01:08:54.100 were planning terrorist attack.

01:08:55.220 It was like just another thing to do on the day.

01:08:58.100 And, um, she, she seemed joyful about it.

01:09:00.980 She seemed very happy about it.

01:09:03.420 Very much looking forward to it.

01:09:05.120 It was absolutely disgusting.

01:09:07.640 And this is a person, we don't know what her story was, whether she was on cross gender

01:09:11.520 hormones or some sort of medications to assist with a transition.

01:09:14.560 Um, those can include testosterone, which does, you know, sometimes extreme things to

01:09:21.040 a woman, but she was clearly a mental health patient on top of all of that, not blaming

01:09:25.480 it on testosterone, just saying this would be the kind of thing the media would normally

01:09:28.620 be exploring, but because you're not allowed to try to touch trans ideology as having had

01:09:34.100 anything to do with this, we don't touch it.

01:09:36.240 And you and I both know, you know, especially Andy, having covered all the things you have,

01:09:41.600 if this were a white guy wearing a MAGA hat who went in and shot up, God forbid, a school

01:09:47.400 with a bunch of black children, this manifesto would have been released long ago.

01:09:52.420 But what we appear to have here is a female to male trans person who wrote openly about

01:09:59.460 her desire to kill crackers, white privileged, quote, crackers at a quote, private fancy school.

01:10:07.120 And that does not line up with any narrative of the left or the media, which is the same

01:10:13.480 thing.

01:10:14.280 And in this case, law enforcement seems to be cooperating with that narrative too, because

01:10:18.440 they, they buried it.

01:10:19.800 Yeah, and another curious thing is that there was a lot of homophobic slurs written through

01:10:26.220 these pages.

01:10:27.260 Some people are wondering, why would an LGBTQ plus person say those type of slurs against

01:10:34.240 homosexuals?

01:10:35.420 Well, as others have pointed out before, and this is speculation, but it's, it's something

01:10:40.220 I think it's analysis of words that is worth considering is that some people who are homosexual

01:10:47.360 and transition to what they think is the opposite gender do it out of the inability to cope with

01:10:53.300 being gay.

01:10:55.100 And we do know that, um, this mass shooter before having a trans identity was lesbian.

01:11:01.260 So that's something to consider.

01:11:03.040 And I think discuss, um, and yeah, it just looks very much if you look, and I'm not going

01:11:10.580 to put it up on the board, but it looks very much like quotations out of, uh, a women's

01:11:16.340 or ethnic studies class at Yale, all the quotations that this shooter puts in the manifesto, you

01:11:23.480 know, what's motivating her, how she thinks about the children at this school.

01:11:28.280 And my heart goes out to the parents.

01:11:30.420 I, no one has any desire to cause them any more pain.

01:11:33.900 It seems like you'd already have achieved the maximum pain possible for a human.

01:11:38.640 If this happened to your child, but we do need to understand exactly what infected this

01:11:45.360 person's mind.

01:11:46.160 It is to the benefit of society to understand to the best we can.

01:11:49.920 I mean, to the extent any of these things can be understood and it is not for the FBI

01:11:53.800 to protect us from the horrors of this writing.

01:11:57.620 That's, and, and honestly, like if the New York times got its hands on this, I believe

01:12:02.280 it probably would have published it.

01:12:03.380 If, if it had been leaked to them, I think they would have probably would have gone, would

01:12:06.740 have gone against their narrative too.

01:12:08.360 But Steven did what any journalist would do, which is if you get your hands on a leak like

01:12:12.280 this, you publish it.

01:12:13.180 The only way you don't publish it is if it's, is if you've stolen it, if you've been the product

01:12:17.060 of stealing, you know, you've been the thief, then you shouldn't.

01:12:19.580 But as a journalist, if you receive this, this is newsworthy and you publish it and it shame

01:12:24.280 on you YouTube for taking it down.

01:12:26.540 That's, it's not appropriate.

01:12:27.860 They publish it over on rumble and good for rumble, but same thing.

01:12:31.500 This is newsworthy.

01:12:32.640 And actually the study of it could actually potentially lead to our ability to understand

01:12:37.600 and hopefully prevent another one of these things.

01:12:40.700 How dare any of these people tell us we don't get to know?

01:12:43.120 Yes, we do get to know.

01:12:44.060 We have children.

01:12:45.080 We, we participate in the society and who the hell is the YouTube executive deciding to

01:12:49.660 protect us in her judgment or his?

01:12:52.100 No, you don't have the expertise.

01:12:53.760 You don't have the background.

01:12:55.040 We'll figure that out for ourselves.

01:12:56.960 It's infuriating, Andy.

01:12:59.120 I also think people need to remember that in the immediate hours and days after the mass

01:13:04.080 shooting in Nashville in March, there were radical trans activists who occupied various

01:13:10.440 state capital buildings, including in Nashville, demanding trans rights and a list of other things.

01:13:16.820 And one video that I remember then seeing is that in Nashville, I think this was the day after the mass

01:13:27.140 shooting there, there was a moment of silence that the trans activists held for the victims of the school

01:13:34.980 shooting, but they held up seven fingers.

01:13:37.320 And that's very curious because the mass shooter killed six, including three children.

01:13:43.060 And they included the killer as one of the victims.

01:13:48.340 And that is in line with some-

01:13:49.880 Actually, we have that.

01:13:50.060 This is from, this is from, I think from you, but we have that.

01:13:53.140 Let's show it.

01:13:53.800 It's top 31.

01:13:54.380 This is what some people did after the, after the Newtown shooting, the worst mass shooting

01:14:18.440 of all time, not, not in terms of numbers, but in terms of the young, beautiful, beautiful

01:14:22.100 children murdered. Some people were counting the shooter in the death toll. You don't count the

01:14:26.780 shooter in the death toll. Everyone knows that.

01:14:31.080 Yeah. And I, you know, just earlier you were asking, we were discussing what, how could the

01:14:36.960 radical left in America be so openly supportive of terrorism in regards to the Israel and Hamas

01:14:43.020 war? Well, they were supportive domestically of a terrorist shooter who killed children. So,

01:14:49.440 you know, that line has already actually been long, been long crossed. And I, what I'm asking

01:14:57.680 myself is how, how now do we de-radicalize the universities, institutions in the United States?

01:15:04.120 You, the institutions are captured. You have a whole generation and a half of essentially

01:15:09.600 an army that can be mobilized at any time, um, given whatever conflict people want to exploit and

01:15:18.500 get people out on the streets. It's, it's a very bad place for the United States right now.

01:15:23.780 No, the die has been cast and it's very hard to uncast it. I want to update the audience on,

01:15:30.480 um, Paul Kessler, the man who died in Southern California. Andy, you just referred to him.

01:15:34.760 We talked about him in our first hour at this pro-Palestinian and then the counter protesters,

01:15:40.560 pro-Israel protest, uh, that happened. Uh, this is from the sheriff who just held a presser

01:15:44.680 out of Ventura County. The suspect in this case, so they do have one is 50.

01:15:49.020 He was advocating for Palestine. Suspect was identified willingly was identified and willingly

01:15:54.940 remained at the scene was interviewed by deputies. The suspect was cooperative and indicated he was

01:15:59.820 involved with an altercation with Kessler further stated. He was one of the reporting parties who

01:16:04.180 called nine one one requesting medical attention for Kessler. Several witnesses were contacted.

01:16:08.620 Witnesses provided conflicting statements about what the altercation, uh, was and who the aggressor

01:16:14.400 was yesterday. Detectives obtained a search warrant for the suspect, I guess,

01:16:19.020 for his home. The suspect was detained. And until the completion of the search warrant,

01:16:23.040 uh, and he was released at six 15, the sheriff says, I cannot comment on the results of the

01:16:27.420 search warrant. As the investigation is ongoing, suspect has not yet been arrested. No arrests have

01:16:31.560 been made. And the suspect has not yet been publicly identified. The medical examiner reiterates

01:16:36.220 calling it a homicide does not indicate a crime was committed. So it is not yet correct to call it

01:16:42.160 a murder. Lethal impact was to the back of Kessler's head. There were also injuries on the front of his

01:16:49.260 face, which could be consistent with a blow to his face. So there was a killing, but we yet we don't

01:16:55.900 know whether we could call this homicide, whether we can call this murder homicide, though. Yes,

01:17:01.220 that's what he's saying. Uh, his funeral is being held today. So more on that case as we got it. Andy,

01:17:06.280 please stay on all of this. Thank you so much for your brave reporting. It's great to see you again.

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01:18:59.700 Chris Steierwalt. He's a contributing editor for the dispatch and co-host of the podcast,

01:19:04.560 Inc. Stained. Wretches with our pal Eliana Johnson, one half of the EJs. Chris, so great

01:19:11.280 to have you. You know what I've noticed here in Connecticut? They've gone to just like, you

01:19:16.120 know, Jeb. They're all doing first names now, like the big, all the lawn signs and like,

01:19:20.900 it's like Joe, Maria. Like I, then you got to squint to see the tiny print. Like one was

01:19:27.980 like, keep your taxes low. I'm like, oh good. Who's that? And you could like get your readers

01:19:33.340 on to see like, who, who's, these are not effective signs. In a, in an insensibly childish

01:19:40.400 society, the idea that anyone would be called by their proper name, uh, is now some mark of

01:19:46.500 absolute snobbery. But as you point out, first names are not enough. We're allowed to have our

01:19:51.640 surnames and use them. I encourage people to do so, please. Especially if like your name is Joe,

01:19:56.940 that's not helpful. There's one ticket I've been seeing like DeSantis slash somebody I'm like,

01:20:01.860 all right. So it's not Ron DeSantis. This person's really up against it. Cause you know,

01:20:05.720 like everybody's going to be like DeSantis. Oh, the loves left. I hate him. Forget it. Like

01:20:09.900 if I were that guy, then I would be like, Bob, it's Bob DeSantis. If you know, how far he's fallen

01:20:16.400 from front runner for the presidential nomination to running for town council in Connecticut. It's a

01:20:21.260 real, I mean, it's been, it's been a steep slide, you know, politics one day, the bride,

01:20:26.600 next day, the bridesmaid next day, divorced altogether. Okay. So I think Virginia is probably

01:20:32.980 the most interesting thing we're watching. Am I wrong? Well, I don't want to be contrary,

01:20:37.980 but, uh, and I'm not normal. I should, I should point out decidedly abnormal when it comes to these

01:20:45.520 things. I get why everybody's paying attention to Virginia because $200 million or so parties have

01:20:52.500 flooded money into Virginia. And because of something that, uh, I like to call the snowmageddon

01:20:59.340 effect. Uh, if it happens near Washington or New York, it gets way more attention than it deserves

01:21:05.800 nationally. So there's a blizzard in the East coast and people in Arizona are like, I don't know, bro,

01:21:10.760 seems, seems okay here. Um, but so, so there is a geographical thing, but there's also the Glenn

01:21:16.360 Youngkin factor and Glenn Youngkin has tantalized his donors by saying, well, I'm not going to make

01:21:23.300 up my mind about whether I'm going to make a late entry into the presidential campaign until we're

01:21:27.840 done with these Virginia midterms. So with all 100 seats in the Virginia house of delegates and all 40

01:21:36.200 seats in the Virginia state Senate, uh, Youngkin has raised a ton of money. He has campaigned vigorously

01:21:42.840 and he is still popular in, uh, Virginia. He is much more popular in Virginia, which is a blue state,

01:21:48.600 uh, than Joe Biden is. And he has staked it all on this run and his backers and the national media,

01:21:55.000 uh, both, uh, are curious to see. So if Youngkin has a big night, if they pick up, so basically the

01:22:01.860 Republicans, uh, Democrats have a narrow majority in the Senate. Republicans have a narrow majority in

01:22:06.420 the house. It's going to come down to five seats basically in, in either chamber. And if Youngkin has

01:22:12.680 a big, big day and the Republicans get unified control, that this could be a launch pad, uh,

01:22:18.900 for a late entry into the Republican nominating process. I care about it because we're going to

01:22:24.940 get a nice core sample of what intense voters, what, what are the, the, cause remember we have

01:22:31.560 to bear in mind for all this conversation. You're looking at half or maybe, uh, maybe two thirds at most

01:22:39.720 of the turnout that you would get in a regular election. So this is, these are low numbers in

01:22:45.500 Pennsylvania. We're probably looking at a third or 40% of, of what you would see. So we're talking

01:22:49.540 about the most engaged, most motivated, most intense voters, which means that they're highly

01:22:54.520 partisan. So what we're going to get to see in Virginia is in the Northern Virginia suburbs of

01:22:59.140 Washington, DC, in the tidewater in Southeastern Virginia and outside of Richmond in the suburbs

01:23:05.000 outside of Richmond, how, and how fired up are Democrats and Republicans. And given how bad the

01:23:10.720 news has been for Joe Biden lately on the 2024 election will be our Democrats divided, uh, are

01:23:17.500 the intense partisans in the democratic party, uh, is there real disaffection there? So we get to see

01:23:22.480 some of that in Virginia. And I mean, now I don't know, I mean, we've talked about this before,

01:23:27.920 including with you at length, but there are reports, uh, like in Forbes that if the Virginia

01:23:35.680 governor is successful in winning control of the Senate and keeping control of the house or improving

01:23:40.520 the Republican margin in the house, Glenn Youngkin does that. Then billionaire supporter, Thomas

01:23:45.720 Peter fee. I don't know him. P D P E T E R F F Y. Is that, is that a name? Peter fee? Anyway,

01:23:53.420 if you've got, if you've got that many billions of dollars, people call you whatever you want.

01:23:57.480 I think that's the rule. Well, he's a billionaire, so he knows something more than you and I do.

01:24:02.700 Likely he told Forbes that if let Youngkin is successful at this, he believes Youngkin will

01:24:08.120 jump into the white house race despite missing some key deadlines, like registering for the New

01:24:12.160 Hampshire primary. And he says he has several tens of other Republican billionaires at the ready

01:24:19.100 quote, I have spoken to Youngkin. I have spoken to many big GOP donors. We are all enthusiastic and

01:24:24.620 waiting for him to win Virginia and enter the race. I have heard that exact same thing myself

01:24:30.060 from a former RNC official who believes that indeed will be the plan. Any thoughts on that at this late

01:24:38.880 stage of the game? I kind of hope for Youngkin that he doesn't have to go through that. Um, uh,

01:24:45.140 he's, he has been surprisingly successful as governor of Virginia. Again, not a Republican

01:24:51.460 state hasn't voted Republican on the presidential level since 2004. Um, and he has managed to both be

01:24:58.220 conservative and popular, uh, which is a trade-off that Republican governors of blue states, uh, uh,

01:25:04.540 a combo they're not often able to do. You can be a liberal Republican in a blue state and be popular.

01:25:09.360 We saw Charlie Baker in Massachusetts and other people do that, but being a conservative,

01:25:14.380 uh, being, being a, being a, being a, being a conservative, what did he call himself?

01:25:19.920 Severely conservative. Mitt Romney would tell you he was severely conservative. Um, but Youngkin,

01:25:24.860 yeah, Youngkin has cast himself and delivered on conservative priorities in Virginia. And he's

01:25:32.120 managed to remain popular because he's been an effective chief executive because what, you know,

01:25:37.040 most people don't care about ideology, persuadable voters care about, are the roads fixed? Uh, are

01:25:42.660 the, are the schools better? Uh, how are the, the quality of life considerations? And Youngkin has

01:25:47.300 managed to remain popular doing that. If he were to say, okay, I'm getting in before he even deals with

01:25:55.660 the question of Donald Trump, he's got to deal with Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley who are getting ready

01:26:00.960 for a death match, right? The two of them are fighting for the same quarter to a third of the

01:26:07.680 Republican electorate that they need to lock down before they can take on Trump. I don't know why

01:26:13.060 it would be true that Glenn Youngkin, if he parachutes and at a late date would be able to

01:26:18.200 make either of them go away. Do you see Ron DeSantis saying, you know what? I had my chance. I already

01:26:24.160 spent that $110 million, but you know what? You go ahead. I don't, I don't think that Kim Reynolds,

01:26:29.840 governor of Iowa is going to say, yep, I'm changing my mind now that you're here. So

01:26:33.820 anything can happen, but I, I, I feel like Youngkin's benefactors are putting pressure on him,

01:26:40.980 uh, that it would be very hard for anybody to live up to.

01:26:44.780 Mm-hmm. Yeah. At this point, I don't think it's going to happen. All right, let's talk about

01:26:48.640 Mississippi next. Cause I just think it's interesting. There's a guy related to Elvis.

01:26:52.240 He's a dem. He's trying to unseat a semi-popular Republican governor, um, named Tate Reeves.

01:26:59.140 He's the incumbent, but you know, it's bad to be in Mississippi and have Elvis's relative

01:27:03.860 challenging you. Um, however, Mississippi is very, very red and the challenger is very,

01:27:09.180 very blue or at least blue. And so this race, I guess is tighter than the Republicans would like.

01:27:15.200 The Democrats seem to be very excited at the prospect of a blue state. I mean, a red state

01:27:19.980 governor with a blue, you know what I'm trying to say. So is it likely to happen?

01:27:24.300 No. Um, we, we remember, uh, Doug Jones won the Senate seat for an unexpired term,

01:27:32.380 uh, Jeff Sessions, unexpired term in neighboring Alabama. Uh, and it was a big deal. A moderate

01:27:38.540 Democrat won in Alabama. Wow. Well, what does it take to get that? It takes Roy Moore, uh, is what

01:27:45.040 it takes. It takes somebody who was being accused by a lot of women of some really deplorable kind of

01:27:51.680 behavior and a guy who was very radical. Tate Reeves, the governor of Mississippi is not Roy

01:27:56.760 Moore. He's not super popular. Uh, that's true. And he does have that weird scandal. So he, I don't

01:28:04.300 know that he's been accused of any wrongdoing, but he was in the administration, uh, as Lieutenant

01:28:08.540 governor. I don't know if you remember the Brett Favre scandal, which was a welfare scam.

01:28:13.620 Um, okay. So Reeves has, uh, the, the Democrat Presley has zeroed in on this as a corruption

01:28:21.180 election. Presley is running. He says, you know, I'm pro-life, I'm pro-gun. I want to cut your taxes.

01:28:26.700 Uh, but Tate Reeves is corrupt and we've got to get him out as basically the argument.

01:28:32.180 Could it work? Maybe, but the Republicans, uh, look at next door in Louisiana. So Louisiana has a

01:28:40.500 jungle primary system, which means if you get more than it's an open primary, all parties go in the

01:28:46.800 same primary. If you get more than 50% of the vote in the primary, then you don't have to have the

01:28:53.260 general election. You just declare it over there. And a Republican in a crowded field of Republicans,

01:28:59.240 one next door in Louisiana, which is more democratic than Mississippi. Uh, I understand why this is an

01:29:05.560 appealing story for Democrats. And I understand why it's an appealing media story because you've got an

01:29:10.220 Elvis Presley cousin, uh, the most famous son of Mississippi, his cousin running. I get it,

01:29:16.480 but the odds here are very long. Mississippi is an extraordinarily Republican state. And this is,

01:29:22.700 uh, could they sneak by in a low? Yeah. So here's, here's the, the, the Presley. Okay. His name is

01:29:28.920 Brandon Presley. The problem is he doesn't look anything like Elvis. If he could look a little bit

01:29:34.380 more like Elvis, I'd like his chances better. His, his granddad and Elvis's granddad were

01:29:40.100 brothers. There must've been an age span there between the two of them, but that's the relation

01:29:44.380 there, I guess, second cousins. I don't know. I see no resemblance and that's not going to

01:29:49.280 inure to his benefit. You can finish your thought. Well, he needs the lip. He just needs the,

01:29:53.800 the Elvis lip curl, maybe, maybe plastic surgery if he wants to run again, but no,

01:29:58.560 it's would be extraordinarily long odds, just given the partisan nature. And also how much

01:30:03.620 Republicans hate Democrats right now, how, how upset Republicans are. I don't think they're

01:30:08.760 feeling cool about it. Yeah. Uh, he can't sing as far as I know. Okay. So let's talk about

01:30:14.140 Kentucky. I was excited about Kentucky. I love Daniel Cameron. I just think he's a rising star,

01:30:19.160 a good guy. He came on the show, like one of our first episodes very early on before we even had

01:30:22.780 video. And, uh, he was the AG in Kentucky. And I remember saying, you're going to be governor.

01:30:29.020 And, uh, I wasn't alone in my prediction. It wasn't anything special. I just wanted to note that

01:30:33.600 for the record. In any event, here he is running for governor. And yet I wouldn't say he's favored.

01:30:40.840 Um, what do you think is likely to happen in the Kentucky governor's race where the incumbent

01:30:45.000 is pretty popular and Daniel Cameron, the Republican challenger, um, seems to have an

01:30:51.440 uphill battle. If you look at the polls. I mean, I, I, I would rate this one a toss up basically. Uh,

01:30:57.920 Kentucky is a, is a very Republican state on the federal level. Um, but it is, uh, schizophrenic

01:31:05.280 on the state level. Kentucky has traded the governorship between parties four times, uh,

01:31:11.200 this century. So Kentucky has basically been a reliable Republican state on the federal level

01:31:15.440 since 2000. But in that time, they've toggled back and forth between the parties, uh, four times

01:31:21.780 and twice have there been Republican governors who were both defeated after one term. Um,

01:31:27.920 uh, Bashir, the democratic incumbent is very moderate. He's very Kentucky, uh, and he's really

01:31:35.040 focused on the sort of pragmatic. He, he would be the democratic doppelganger in a lot of ways to

01:31:40.880 Yunkin. He's in the wrong state on the presidential level, but keeps the focuses on quality of life

01:31:46.780 issues and, and that kind of stuff. Daniel Cameron represents a fusion that Republicans have been

01:31:53.220 looking for for a long time. Here's a guy who can appeal to the MAGA movement and can talk about

01:32:01.180 those issues and engage on those issues, but he is a protege of Mitch McConnell. This is what,

01:32:06.260 this is what Republicans have been looking for. Somebody that both sort of the MAGA populist wing

01:32:12.120 of the party and the traditional conservative wing of the party where they can unite. Uh, that makes

01:32:17.840 Cameron very potent. Now, the problem that Cameron has is that turnout in Kentucky will, so here's a

01:32:25.440 good rule of thumb. The richer you are, the more likely you are to vote. Uh, the electorate skews the,

01:32:31.920 um, middle-class and upper middle-class people are disproportionately represented in the electorate

01:32:37.940 because they have a higher voting propensity. There's a lot of reasons for that, but basically

01:32:41.480 the electorate is more educated and wealthier than the nation as a whole. Um, now what that means

01:32:48.860 though, is that when you have an off year election like this, who's the 40% of the Kentucky electorate

01:32:54.200 that's not showing up. Now, some of those people, Kentucky's, uh, is basically, uh, three quarters

01:32:59.940 of Kentucky is a very rural state, highly Republican. And one quarter of the state is Louisville and

01:33:06.520 Louisville is a diverse, uh, and, uh, they're highly educated affluent suburbs. There's a

01:33:13.980 ethnically diverse, uh, urban core. It's a democratic city. So basically it goes like this

01:33:20.220 of the 40% of the people who will turn out in 2024, but who don't turn out this year, who are they

01:33:26.060 mostly? And a lot of those folks are from Eastern Kentucky, rural Kentucky who are big time Trump

01:33:32.120 voters, right? They're big time mega mega there that that's where they are. But what Cameron has

01:33:38.520 been trying to do is basically nationalize the election and say to those voters, I know you don't

01:33:43.640 usually come out in races like these, but I really need you because we have to send a message to Joe

01:33:48.060 Biden. So what Cameron has had to say about the sheer is basically Biden, whatever the question

01:33:53.300 Cameron's answer is it's Joe Biden. You're just like Joe Biden. You're just like Joe Biden. So that's

01:33:58.160 what he's trying to do. Um, he needs to change basically the shape of the electorate, but that

01:34:03.200 really could happen when passions are running as high as they are in Republicans or as fired up as

01:34:07.480 they are. I mean, he really is a rising star on the Republican party. He took so much flack for the

01:34:13.840 Brianna, um, Taylor case where he was the AG who was in front of that grand jury and did not feel that

01:34:21.140 they should indict those police officers. And then the grand jury blamed him and he was stood all of that

01:34:26.800 and stood on principle and said, I don't think the law supports charges against those officers.

01:34:30.940 And now here he is seeking higher office, very popular. Um, this is something interesting about

01:34:36.260 the race. The, uh, David Axelrod, of course, former chief strategist for Obama told political

01:34:42.600 if Bashir wins the Democrat, he instantly will become part of the 2028 discussion, a young charismatic

01:34:49.300 Democrat who won twice in a deep red state. There will be a great deal of chatter. So the stakes are

01:34:56.040 significant on both sides. We'll watch that one tomorrow. Kentucky governor got to spend one

01:35:00.420 minute on Bridgeport, Connecticut. Did you see the hot mess that was the voting situation in the

01:35:05.120 mayoral primary, the Democrat, the incumbent. Oh, I love this. This is okay. So the, the incumbent

01:35:11.400 Democrat mayor, uh, was running to keep the nomination on the, on the primary side. And he had

01:35:16.880 another Democrat coming for his, his position and he was winning. No, the challenger was winning in the

01:35:23.440 day of vote. And the incumbent said, you just wait until the absentee ballots come in. You just wait,

01:35:28.980 Mr. Challenger. I'm feeling good about how I'll do. Well, they came in and he won, I think it was

01:35:33.980 like an 8,000, uh, votes and he won by 200 thanks to the absentee ballots. Well, the challenger started

01:35:41.480 to go around and kick the tires a little bit on this win. And they found that certain of the ballot

01:35:47.360 boxes had way more absentee ballots than was normal for any of these jurisdictions. And then they pulled

01:35:54.980 the security tapes on those ballot boxes and they saw this democratic city council woman and another

01:36:03.300 local representative representative. I'm showing it to you. Here she is stuffing, stuffing ballot after

01:36:11.520 ballot in their style while she was so happy to help the incumbent mayor keep the primary nod. And, um,

01:36:20.140 the, a judge took a look at all that. She went back four or five times. This woman did the same thing

01:36:24.720 stuff and they put her on the stand because the challenger filed a lawsuit saying, this is all

01:36:29.580 bullshit. You got to throw out this win. And they put her on the stand and she pleaded the fifth 71 times.

01:36:34.280 Okay. So what happened? So here's the craziness. So the judge said, we cannot possibly let this

01:36:46.620 primary victory of the incumbent mayor stand. This is bullshit, but I can't just declare the other guy,

01:36:51.940 the winner. So we have to redo the primary vote. We have to redo the primary vote. But that was just

01:36:57.500 last Wednesday. The, the general is today. There wasn't enough time to redo a primary before the

01:37:04.540 general. So the way he did it was the incumbent mayor is going to be listed on the ballot as the

01:37:08.840 dem. The challenger is going to be listed on the ballot as the independent. And then there's a

01:37:14.560 Republican who's not going to win. So here's the deal. What a rip off. If the incumbent mayor wins as

01:37:22.160 the dem, then they're going to go back and redo the primary. It won't be certified. So the challenger

01:37:28.440 could win. He could win. He could win. The Republicans are not going to win in Bridgeport,

01:37:33.280 Connecticut. But anyway, that's one of the many races I'm watching. It's just, I love when people's

01:37:38.080 bad behavior is caught on camera. It's the best, right? That's fabulous. I love local politics because

01:37:43.360 it's so awful. It's just the, the it's like the old joke about faculty Senate. What, you know,

01:37:50.580 why, why are people so awful? Because the stakes are so low and the, the, the lengths that people

01:37:55.480 will stoop to in local politics is just really human nature, never change. It really is. It

01:38:02.940 reminds me of my, one of my favorite sayings too, is, um, you know, we got a summer house in New Jersey

01:38:08.240 and one time we were driving down there and we saw all those terrible power plants in Newark, you know,

01:38:13.320 it kind of starts to smell bad and it looks bad and you look at it. And I, one time I looked up,

01:38:17.380 what are these power plants? What is that thing? And it led to this whole conversation online that

01:38:21.800 I checked in on, like, what did they say? And the one person wrote in where, where do all the

01:38:27.240 terrible things about New Jersey come from? And somebody responded from people who have been

01:38:31.780 there. Oh, that's mean. That's mean. I'm allowed to say it. I cause I own property there. Doug jokes.

01:38:41.480 That's the only reason that we did that. Cause so I can exactly. So you could have the Jersey.

01:38:45.480 Love you. You ink stained wretch. Happy to be here. Good luck on election night. Stay out of

01:38:53.580 trouble. Thank you. I'll do my best. You too. Uh, we will be watching tonight. We'll bring you the

01:38:59.660 latest tomorrow and tomorrow we'll have Stuber gear and Dave Marcus, a fun pairing. Those guys are

01:39:04.500 always great. And they'll bring you the full rundown of what happened. Thanks for listening

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 07, 2023

Jewish Man Killed in California, and Key Election Races to Watch, with John Podhoretz, Christine Rosen, Andy Ngo, and Chris Stirewalt ｜ Ep. 664

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