The Megyn Kelly Show - November 07, 2023


Jewish Man Killed in California, and Key Election Races to Watch, with John Podhoretz, Christine Rosen, Andy Ngo, and Chris Stirewalt | Ep. 664


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As anti-Israel sentiment across America grows, we are expecting to hear from law enforcement in about an hour updating us on the death of a Jewish man in California. On Sunday afternoon, 69-year-old Paul Kessler was spotted waving an Israeli flag as dueling protests took place between pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian supporters.

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00:01:01.380 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
00:01:03.300 Live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:01:12.760 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.
00:01:14.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
00:01:15.900 As the anti-Israel sentiment across America grows,
00:01:19.220 we are expecting to hear from law enforcement in about an hour updating us on
00:01:23.960 the death of a Jewish man in California and wait until you hear the circumstances.
00:01:29.300 On Sunday afternoon, 69-year-old Paul Kessler was spotted waving an Israeli flag as dueling protests
00:01:36.180 took place between pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian supporters.
00:01:39.400 Exactly what went down a little later is still unclear, but we do know some core facts.
00:01:46.720 We know there was some sort of physical altercation between Kessler and another person.
00:01:51.460 Some have suggested a man threw his megaphone at Kessler.
00:01:55.780 Video showed Kessler on the ground bloodied. A pro-Palestinian woman and others appeared to help him.
00:02:03.580 She was later seen laughing and smiling shortly after helping this man.
00:02:07.620 And then the paramedics arrived. Kessler was taken away by ambulance and while paramedics treated him,
00:02:14.140 a man continued to shout anti-Israel slogans with Kessler's blood visible on the concrete. Watch.
00:02:21.840 Come get our children now! Come get our children now! 0.83
00:02:25.920 As a man being taken away on an ambulance,
00:02:29.920 This is the kind of respect these Palestinian protesters are giving.
00:02:40.180 Occupation number!
00:02:45.800 Wow. On Monday, Paul Kessler died.
00:02:52.280 The Ventura County Sheriff's Office says the medical examiner has determined the cause of death was indeed blunt force head injuries
00:02:58.800 and the manner of death has been classified as homicide.
00:03:02.720 So far, no one's been arrested.
00:03:04.880 But this would hardly be the only incident of anti-Jewish hatred we have seen over the past month
00:03:10.560 since Israel was attacked by terrorists.
00:03:13.800 According to the Anti-Defamation League, there has been a 388% interest, percent increase,
00:03:20.420 in anti-Semitic attacks in America since Hamas launched its attack on Israel exactly one month ago.
00:03:26.320 Just a few examples.
00:03:27.280 On October 8th, in Clifton, New Jersey,
00:03:30.240 a car with individuals holding Palestinian flags
00:03:32.840 appeared to intentionally swerve out of its lane, nearly hitting a Jewish family.
00:03:38.380 October 12th, Indianapolis.
00:03:40.680 An Indiana man carrying an Israeli flag was allegedly assaulted by a pro-Palestinian protester.
00:03:46.780 On August 15th, in New York, a person allegedly punched a Jewish woman in the face
00:03:51.120 at Grand Central Terminal.
00:03:53.120 When she asked why, he responded,
00:03:54.780 you are Jewish, we told you, for example, what happened down outside of the Tulane campus
00:03:59.960 when a young Jewish man was punched in the face.
00:04:03.740 Anti-Semitic attacks are always also on the rise now in places like Europe,
00:04:08.120 where they've had basically open border policies for the past 10, 15 years.
00:04:12.340 In Germany, Molotov cocktails have been thrown at a synagogue.
00:04:16.120 Molotov cocktails thrown at a synagogue, among other anti-Israel incidents.
00:04:20.760 In the UK, there have been more than 1,000 reported anti-Jewish incidents in the past month,
00:04:25.780 with 47 assaults, 47 assaults, and schools and children have been targeted.
00:04:31.940 In France, which has the largest Palestinian or Muslim population in Europe,
00:04:38.220 on Saturday, a 30-something-year-old Jewish woman in France was attacked in her home.
00:04:43.660 She was stabbed in her home.
00:04:45.400 She did survive.
00:04:47.680 A swastika had been painted on her door.
00:04:50.900 This is a truly scary time for Jews in America and throughout the world.
00:04:54.680 And yet we get lectured by this administration every other day on Islamophobia.
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00:05:30.100 My guest this hour, John Podoritz, editor of Commentary.
00:05:33.920 It's a wonderful publication, the magazine.
00:05:36.620 And if you haven't been listening to the Commentary podcast,
00:05:38.580 I highly recommend it to you.
00:05:40.060 One of his co-hosts on that podcast is Christine Rosen.
00:05:42.800 She's a writer for Commentary and also a senior fellow
00:05:44.940 at the American Enterprise Institute.
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00:05:52.740 making their first appearance on this show.
00:05:54.320 John and Christine, I'm a little starstruck because I listen to commentary
00:05:58.300 pretty much every day and have for years now.
00:06:02.260 So it's lovely to have you here.
00:06:03.800 Thank you so much for being on.
00:06:05.520 Well, thank you so much for having us.
00:06:07.340 And Megan, I miss you because we used to live on the same block.
00:06:11.660 And I used to occasionally see you coming out of the building,
00:06:14.760 taking your kids to the school bus,
00:06:16.520 or as I was taking my kids to the school bus.
00:06:18.740 And then you sanely, I think, decamped to wiser places to live.
00:06:25.180 But I'm still here.
00:06:27.600 I'm still here looking for you and Doug on the corner.
00:06:32.260 I've been thinking about you nonstop because of that.
00:06:35.100 Because, of course, you know, the Upper West Side,
00:06:37.320 New York has become the site of a lot of these crazy protests.
00:06:42.240 It's like, wait a minute, New York? 0.52
00:06:44.100 New York is heavily Jewish.
00:06:45.520 What's happening?
00:06:46.140 Why in Brooklyn are we having, you know,
00:06:47.660 I heard you talk about the Crown Heights protest.
00:06:49.900 It's like of all places and Jews being told,
00:06:53.060 don't come, don't, you know, stay inside.
00:06:55.800 What do you, I want to kick it off with this, John,
00:06:58.260 because I heard on commentary,
00:07:00.600 you say this joke recently, which I was like,
00:07:02.660 oh, oh, okay, I'm starting to get it.
00:07:05.900 Because one of my questions has been,
00:07:08.160 where are our Jewish friends and their allies like us in the streets?
00:07:14.140 Why is it all these pro-Palestinian nutcases
00:07:16.040 who are out there chanting from the river to the sea, right? 0.62
00:07:19.140 Like, where's the other side who says,
00:07:21.900 you know what, we'd like to live in peace.
00:07:23.860 Wouldn't that be nice?
00:07:24.620 October 6th was better than today.
00:07:27.420 And now we're starting to see a little bit more of it.
00:07:29.180 But you told a joke on commentary
00:07:30.420 that made me kind of understand
00:07:32.280 and forgive me, because I'm going to ask you to tell it,
00:07:34.480 but I think it was about two Jewish people
00:07:36.420 who had been sentenced to death by firing squad, right?
00:07:39.960 Can you tell this joke?
00:07:40.780 It kind of helped me understand.
00:07:42.000 Sure. 0.71
00:07:42.360 So it's a very, two Jews are in front of a firing squad
00:07:45.580 and the commandant of the firing squad says,
00:07:48.200 do you have any last requests?
00:07:50.460 And one of them says,
00:07:51.880 I would like please a blindfold.
00:07:54.120 And the other says,
00:07:55.440 Sam, don't make trouble.
00:07:57.120 So this, this is the mindset of the Jew, 0.99
00:08:03.820 the Jewish person through history,
00:08:05.720 powerless, without any real means to fight back.
00:08:10.400 And the only hope that he has
00:08:12.900 is that somebody will take pity on him
00:08:16.340 and let him be.
00:08:18.900 And that is the situation
00:08:22.000 that Israel was created in, 0.90
00:08:27.120 to make unnecessary any longer.
00:08:30.920 That is why Jews have fought 1.00
00:08:33.820 for the last hundred years
00:08:35.340 to get their share in the United States,
00:08:38.260 to achieve a certain level of political
00:08:42.040 and economic and social authority
00:08:45.340 so that we are,
00:08:48.560 A, not brought before firing squads,
00:08:50.840 and B, we are not reduced
00:08:52.660 to the level of begging
00:08:53.980 for a blindfold
00:08:56.440 so that we don't have to be witnesses
00:08:58.940 to our own death.
00:09:01.280 And here we are in 2023.
00:09:04.800 There was a rally yesterday.
00:09:06.520 There was a big rally here in New York
00:09:08.360 on Central Park West
00:09:09.740 of people supporting Jews, Judaism,
00:09:15.500 and Israel in the wake of October 7th.
00:09:17.580 But then much of what was going on
00:09:18.940 on the screens was simply
00:09:20.240 an endless roll of the hostages,
00:09:23.580 the 240-odd hostages
00:09:25.500 who are in the maw
00:09:29.420 of Hamas.
00:09:32.300 And you look at those pictures
00:09:33.840 and you think,
00:09:35.100 well,
00:09:35.920 my guess is they're not staying there
00:09:38.380 asking for a blindfold.
00:09:39.620 These are Sabra,
00:09:41.560 unless they're very little kids
00:09:42.880 who don't know
00:09:43.420 to ask for a blindfold.
00:09:45.180 These are Sabras. 1.00
00:09:46.100 These are Israelis.
00:09:46.980 These are proud adults.
00:09:49.100 And they are either fighting back
00:09:51.020 or they are maintaining
00:09:52.300 their dignity
00:09:53.000 in unbelievably undignified
00:09:55.760 and horrible circumstances.
00:09:58.620 And it is a horror
00:10:01.340 that we are living here
00:10:03.120 in the United States
00:10:04.760 being forced in some sense
00:10:07.040 to defend our right,
00:10:09.940 to defend ourselves
00:10:11.500 against unwarranted,
00:10:14.440 unprovoked attacks
00:10:17.720 of such savagery
00:10:20.400 that the people that I know
00:10:21.880 who have witnessed the videos
00:10:24.140 or walked through the crime scenes
00:10:27.460 at the Kibbutzim
00:10:28.940 in the Gaza envelope,
00:10:32.120 which is where the massacres took place,
00:10:34.880 say that these are images
00:10:37.780 that are seared in their minds
00:10:40.160 that they will never forget
00:10:42.380 and that they are going to have to get
00:10:44.480 psychological treatment
00:10:47.460 to cope with
00:10:49.520 because they cannot sleep
00:10:51.860 because of the horrors
00:10:53.540 that they have seen.
00:10:55.280 And remember,
00:10:56.080 just to finish my monologue here,
00:10:59.580 these 5,000 casualties
00:11:01.460 that were inflicted in Israel
00:11:03.040 1,400 dead,
00:11:06.160 more than 3,500 injured,
00:11:08.520 took place
00:11:09.720 in around eight hours.
00:11:13.840 Think about that.
00:11:16.720 And this was hand-to-hand stuff.
00:11:18.980 It wasn't a bomb being dropped
00:11:20.140 on a building.
00:11:21.420 These were people being killed
00:11:23.020 systematically,
00:11:24.780 bloodthirstily,
00:11:26.020 in a relatively short period of time
00:11:28.840 in what can only be called
00:11:30.880 a massacre rampage
00:11:33.880 of psychotic evil proportions.
00:11:39.600 30 days later,
00:11:41.140 people are yelling
00:11:42.780 at people like us
00:11:44.380 because we do not believe
00:11:46.560 that a ceasefire
00:11:47.940 that would essentially
00:11:49.020 let off the murderers
00:11:52.040 of our people,
00:11:55.520 that they would let them go scot-free.
00:11:57.600 That is what a ceasefire means,
00:12:00.020 essentially, right?
00:12:01.040 It's stop the fighting,
00:12:03.040 stop doing things.
00:12:04.800 There's no corollary to that.
00:12:06.780 Like, hey, you know what?
00:12:07.940 There should be a ceasefire
00:12:09.280 so that Hamas 0.95
00:12:10.640 can surrender en masse
00:12:12.680 and be tried
00:12:13.720 for the 5,000 crimes
00:12:16.640 that they committed
00:12:17.960 on October 7th.
00:12:19.620 It's just
00:12:20.200 have a ceasefire
00:12:22.160 and then let things go on
00:12:24.660 as normal.
00:12:25.200 I almost feel like,
00:12:27.600 John,
00:12:27.760 they're worried
00:12:28.480 Israel's getting the job done. 0.97
00:12:30.560 Israel actually is destroying Hamas
00:12:32.460 and they're like,
00:12:33.680 you know what?
00:12:34.080 We need to stop this.
00:12:35.600 Some people genuinely care
00:12:37.060 about civilian casualties,
00:12:38.540 but I think a lot of people
00:12:39.920 really don't want to see
00:12:40.880 Hamas destroyed.
00:12:42.580 I mean,
00:12:42.760 we're hearing it
00:12:43.280 on college campuses.
00:12:44.460 Hamas,
00:12:44.980 it's not a terrorist group.
00:12:46.460 You've misunderstood Hamas.
00:12:48.540 You don't understand.
00:12:48.900 I think we have that
00:12:49.700 just today from,
00:12:51.100 where was it, guys?
00:12:52.260 Hold on a second.
00:12:52.900 It was from U-Penn,
00:12:56.140 of course.
00:12:56.980 U-Penn.
00:12:57.500 Oh, yeah.
00:12:57.660 I mean,
00:12:57.880 six one way,
00:12:58.460 half a dozen the other.
00:12:59.180 U-Penn or Yale.
00:13:00.640 Where she's out there chanting.
00:13:03.260 This is shared
00:13:04.620 by Bronx Representative
00:13:05.720 Richie Torres,
00:13:06.420 who's a Democrat
00:13:06.960 who's been very good
00:13:07.620 on this whole issue.
00:13:08.840 This woman putting 0.99
00:13:10.260 her perspective
00:13:10.840 on what really happened
00:13:12.140 with Hamas.
00:13:12.760 Take a listen.
00:13:13.140 Do you guys remember
00:13:16.000 the photo of the kids
00:13:17.440 and men laughing
00:13:18.280 and smiling
00:13:18.840 as they sat on top
00:13:20.100 of the Israeli military jeep
00:13:21.540 captured by our
00:13:22.400 freedom fighters?
00:13:23.340 Yes!
00:13:23.640 Do you remember
00:13:24.460 that picture?
00:13:25.480 Yes!
00:13:26.520 How about the photos
00:13:27.680 of the bulldozer
00:13:28.420 breaking through
00:13:29.040 the deadly borders?
00:13:30.000 Do you remember
00:13:30.580 that picture?
00:13:31.380 Yes!
00:13:32.820 And the several other
00:13:34.240 joyful and powerful images
00:13:35.580 which came from
00:13:36.300 the glorious October 7th?
00:13:37.960 Yes!
00:13:39.560 I want you to picture
00:13:40.920 those in your mind.
00:13:41.940 I want you all to remember
00:13:43.160 how you felt
00:13:43.940 when you saw those images
00:13:45.400 and heard the news.
00:13:47.140 I remember
00:13:47.780 feeling so empowered
00:13:49.240 and happy,
00:13:50.480 so confident
00:13:51.200 that victory was near
00:13:52.740 and so tangible.
00:13:54.200 I want all of you
00:13:55.580 to hold that feeling
00:13:56.660 in your hearts.
00:13:58.020 Never let go of it.
00:13:59.840 Channel it through
00:14:00.620 every action you take.
00:14:02.440 Bring it to the streets.
00:14:03.720 Yes!
00:14:04.440 Go down to the streets
00:14:05.560 every day.
00:14:06.760 And don't ever
00:14:08.060 let them feel
00:14:09.240 that you quietly
00:14:10.180 accept this genocide.
00:14:11.940 Freedom Fighters
00:14:14.860 in her view.
00:14:15.960 This just in,
00:14:16.820 she's going to be
00:14:17.240 interning for Rashida
00:14:18.040 Tlaib this summer.
00:14:20.140 This is the message,
00:14:22.300 right?
00:14:22.580 As you point out,
00:14:23.380 one month later,
00:14:24.940 Christine,
00:14:25.340 you've been covering
00:14:26.020 the media
00:14:26.720 and the campus insanity
00:14:28.300 and all of this.
00:14:29.800 She's UPenn.
00:14:30.780 That was in Philadelphia,
00:14:32.040 you know,
00:14:32.300 steps away.
00:14:33.320 But that's the message.
00:14:34.280 It was a glorious
00:14:35.000 feeling of joy.
00:14:36.500 Never forget it
00:14:37.280 as we cheer on
00:14:38.000 our Freedom Fighters.
00:14:38.900 And as John
00:14:39.420 is pointing out,
00:14:40.360 it wasn't just
00:14:40.960 hand-to-hand murder.
00:14:42.280 It was torture.
00:14:44.040 Everyone seems
00:14:44.640 to want to gloss over
00:14:45.860 that the Israelis
00:14:47.220 were tortured.
00:14:48.320 Children were tortured,
00:14:49.740 forced.
00:14:50.600 The one child
00:14:52.280 who had his hand
00:14:52.980 cut off
00:14:53.560 and had to bleed 0.91
00:14:54.920 out right there.
00:14:55.780 The other children
00:14:56.520 had to watch
00:14:57.040 their dad's eyes
00:14:58.400 get gouged out
00:14:59.740 before the terrorists
00:15:01.040 turned on them.
00:15:02.280 There are so many stories.
00:15:04.180 Just want to,
00:15:04.640 like,
00:15:05.280 gloss on by that
00:15:06.700 and talk about
00:15:07.320 the glory of the day.
00:15:10.360 Well,
00:15:10.960 this is actually
00:15:11.640 something,
00:15:12.180 it's downright
00:15:13.140 Orwellian,
00:15:13.960 what's happening
00:15:14.560 and despicable
00:15:16.000 in our mainstream media
00:15:17.240 in particular.
00:15:18.520 She used a word there 0.99
00:15:19.640 that she shouldn't
00:15:20.400 have used
00:15:20.860 because it's
00:15:21.440 the incorrect word.
00:15:22.840 She used genocide. 1.00
00:15:24.240 So what we have seen
00:15:25.200 is the mainstream media
00:15:26.080 pick up a narrative,
00:15:26.980 a very pro-Palestinian narrative
00:15:28.360 that is accusing
00:15:29.640 Israel of genocide.
00:15:31.200 And you're absolutely right
00:15:32.080 that they have glossed
00:15:32.940 over the barbarity
00:15:34.020 and inhumane
00:15:35.360 and,
00:15:35.980 quite frankly,
00:15:36.400 documented war crimes,
00:15:38.520 documented,
00:15:39.080 by the way,
00:15:39.640 not by the IDF
00:15:40.760 that came in
00:15:41.340 to rescue civilians,
00:15:42.440 but by the terrorists
00:15:43.620 themselves
00:15:44.120 who filmed it
00:15:44.900 on GoPro
00:15:45.420 and often live-streamed
00:15:46.760 it back to their
00:15:47.380 friends and family
00:15:48.180 in Gaza
00:15:49.060 while they were
00:15:49.800 murdering innocent
00:15:50.920 women and children.
00:15:52.300 So the fact
00:15:53.560 that very quickly
00:15:54.580 the story
00:15:55.280 and the images
00:15:56.080 that we're seeing
00:15:56.800 in all of our
00:15:57.440 newspapers
00:15:58.200 and on most
00:15:58.920 of the mainstream
00:15:59.420 media television broadcasts
00:16:01.180 are all of children
00:16:01.980 in Gaza.
00:16:03.060 Now,
00:16:03.400 as you said earlier,
00:16:04.360 and I know
00:16:04.760 John agrees with me
00:16:05.500 on this,
00:16:05.720 nobody wants to see
00:16:06.660 innocent civilians harmed.
00:16:07.960 That is not the purpose
00:16:08.860 of what is happening
00:16:09.700 right now in Gaza.
00:16:11.200 But innocent civilian deaths
00:16:12.760 in Gaza
00:16:13.420 are the responsibility
00:16:14.420 of Hamas
00:16:15.240 because Hamas 0.73
00:16:16.100 has put them
00:16:16.780 in harm's way
00:16:17.640 with its actions.
00:16:19.240 Hamas prevents them
00:16:20.540 from leaving areas
00:16:21.940 where the IDF
00:16:22.840 is moving forward
00:16:25.500 with military operations
00:16:26.800 to root out terrorists.
00:16:28.440 Hamas is responsible 1.00
00:16:29.500 for those deaths.
00:16:30.700 But in the West,
00:16:31.360 what we see
00:16:31.840 is this narrative
00:16:32.540 of Israel
00:16:33.440 committing genocide.
00:16:34.780 Every victim
00:16:35.360 is on Israel's head 0.98
00:16:37.160 in responsible form.
00:16:38.160 These are war crimes. 0.77
00:16:39.200 None of this is true.
00:16:40.540 But all of it
00:16:41.180 is being repeated
00:16:41.880 over and over
00:16:42.880 and over again
00:16:43.740 and has been,
00:16:44.740 unfortunately,
00:16:45.240 for decades
00:16:45.880 really taken root
00:16:47.080 on campuses
00:16:47.980 in various studies programs
00:16:49.700 and in these arguments
00:16:51.460 about colonial oppressors
00:16:53.680 and whatnot.
00:16:54.080 And it's all come
00:16:55.700 to fruition.
00:16:56.460 And what is driving
00:16:57.300 so much of it,
00:16:58.040 what we see clearly
00:16:58.980 on the streets,
00:17:00.180 is hate.
00:17:01.160 It's anti-Semitism.
00:17:02.380 And they can put
00:17:03.100 whatever academic
00:17:04.020 and ideological gloss
00:17:05.520 over it
00:17:06.040 that they want to,
00:17:07.060 but it's very clear
00:17:08.040 their actions
00:17:08.600 and their words
00:17:09.140 are now starting
00:17:09.840 to match.
00:17:10.520 The actions
00:17:11.040 and the words
00:17:11.840 incited by,
00:17:13.220 for example,
00:17:14.020 a representative
00:17:14.580 in Congress,
00:17:15.220 Rashida Tlaib,
00:17:16.000 who has been
00:17:16.720 having all kinds
00:17:18.500 of anti-Semitic statements
00:17:19.520 that she posts
00:17:20.260 on her social media,
00:17:21.660 such as phrases
00:17:22.660 like,
00:17:23.020 from the river
00:17:23.420 to the sea.
00:17:24.440 Everyone knows
00:17:25.320 what that means.
00:17:26.400 And she is denying
00:17:27.440 its own meaning
00:17:28.380 while inciting people
00:17:29.700 to take action
00:17:30.900 and,
00:17:31.520 as the woman
00:17:31.880 in the video clip
00:17:32.660 you just showed us did,
00:17:33.540 to take to the streets.
00:17:34.760 That is incitement.
00:17:36.000 That is calling
00:17:36.980 on people
00:17:37.600 to do violence.
00:17:39.000 And that's wrong.
00:17:40.960 You saw it yesterday.
00:17:42.620 Yeah, go ahead, John.
00:17:43.660 I was just going to say
00:17:44.620 that there's a deli
00:17:47.740 in L.A.
00:17:49.040 on Fairfax
00:17:49.840 called Cantor's.
00:17:50.940 Cantor's, yeah.
00:17:51.720 So it's the,
00:17:52.820 like,
00:17:53.220 premier Jewish deli
00:17:54.780 in Los Angeles.
00:17:56.280 It's been there
00:17:56.960 since 1925.
00:17:58.460 On the wall
00:17:59.480 at Cantor's Deli,
00:18:00.480 outside,
00:18:01.640 are pictures
00:18:02.280 of Cantor's Deli
00:18:03.320 and its growth
00:18:04.000 over time
00:18:04.760 and sort of
00:18:06.060 pictures of
00:18:06.680 Jewish L.A.
00:18:09.260 Cute,
00:18:09.920 black and white,
00:18:10.840 you know,
00:18:11.120 historical pictures.
00:18:12.900 All of them
00:18:13.720 in the last couple
00:18:14.480 of days
00:18:14.940 defaced
00:18:15.680 by things like
00:18:16.840 from the river
00:18:18.200 to the sea,
00:18:18.800 Palestine
00:18:19.320 will be free,
00:18:20.280 F Israel, 0.85
00:18:21.360 all of that.
00:18:22.260 Now,
00:18:22.760 there is nothing
00:18:24.400 in Israel
00:18:25.080 in the Cantor's Deli
00:18:28.020 photographs.
00:18:29.040 Cantor's Deli
00:18:29.680 is a restaurant
00:18:30.380 that serves
00:18:31.100 pastrami
00:18:32.260 and blintzes
00:18:33.360 and latkes
00:18:34.660 and cream
00:18:36.440 and, you know,
00:18:37.500 cheesecake.
00:18:37.860 and it is
00:18:40.660 being targeted
00:18:41.480 in response
00:18:44.720 to a massacre
00:18:46.560 of Jews 0.99
00:18:47.120 in Israel
00:18:47.920 that has triggered
00:18:49.140 anti-Semitic acts
00:18:51.800 all over the world
00:18:53.020 and is simply
00:18:54.920 the Vandals
00:18:56.500 are drawing
00:18:57.160 no distinction
00:18:57.920 between
00:18:58.560 what it is
00:18:59.760 to be a Jew
00:19:00.500 and what it is
00:19:02.420 what Israel is,
00:19:05.280 which is why
00:19:06.200 for 40 years
00:19:07.620 people like me
00:19:09.220 have been making
00:19:09.840 the argument
00:19:10.480 that when people
00:19:11.280 say
00:19:11.880 that anti-Zionism
00:19:14.080 and anti-Semitism
00:19:15.180 are two separate
00:19:16.480 things,
00:19:17.100 that you can be
00:19:17.840 an anti-Zionist,
00:19:18.960 someone who does
00:19:19.640 not believe
00:19:20.260 that the Jewish
00:19:20.860 people should
00:19:22.120 have their own
00:19:23.000 state
00:19:23.600 on Earth
00:19:25.560 but there should
00:19:26.240 be a binational
00:19:27.120 state with Jews
00:19:27.900 and Arabs,
00:19:28.320 however you want
00:19:28.800 to slice it,
00:19:30.040 that these are
00:19:30.620 two different
00:19:31.360 phenomena,
00:19:32.020 that anti-Semitism
00:19:32.780 is simply a matter 0.55
00:19:33.940 of hating Jews 0.93
00:19:35.240 and is therefore 0.90
00:19:35.840 a bad thing
00:19:36.640 and anti-Zionism
00:19:37.500 is a political
00:19:38.840 position.
00:19:40.100 We are learning
00:19:41.200 this month
00:19:41.920 that just as
00:19:43.080 people like me
00:19:43.680 have been arguing
00:19:44.120 for 40 years,
00:19:45.500 that that is
00:19:46.200 a specious,
00:19:47.180 fallacious, 0.91
00:19:47.860 false, 0.96
00:19:48.720 and ultimately
00:19:49.560 disingenuous argument
00:19:51.080 because you attack
00:19:53.220 Israel,
00:19:53.960 there's some kind
00:19:54.500 of fight against
00:19:55.180 Israel,
00:19:55.620 and now in
00:19:57.160 Indiana,
00:19:58.380 a woman is 1.00
00:19:59.380 taking her truck
00:20:00.520 and driving it
00:20:01.860 into a building
00:20:02.740 that she thinks
00:20:03.560 is a Jewish
00:20:04.300 day school
00:20:05.160 in order 1.00
00:20:06.040 to kill 1.00
00:20:06.660 Jewish children 1.00
00:20:07.700 in Indiana
00:20:09.760 because she's
00:20:11.340 mad about
00:20:12.500 Israel.
00:20:14.040 Anti-Zionism
00:20:14.960 is anti-Semitism.
00:20:17.260 There is something
00:20:17.900 very fascinating
00:20:19.760 that needs
00:20:20.800 to be studied
00:20:21.520 about the fact
00:20:22.380 that this massacre
00:20:24.100 was perpetrated
00:20:24.960 mostly on Jews,
00:20:26.560 though not exclusively
00:20:27.500 on Jews
00:20:28.960 in Israel.
00:20:29.720 there are at
00:20:30.720 least 40
00:20:31.460 hostages
00:20:32.100 in Gaza
00:20:33.460 who are Thai,
00:20:34.700 who are Thai
00:20:35.300 workers working
00:20:36.260 in Israel
00:20:36.800 who were taken
00:20:38.000 hostage,
00:20:38.740 and others.
00:20:40.340 Massacre 0.91
00:20:40.900 of Jews 0.96
00:20:42.020 in Israel
00:20:42.740 that you would
00:20:43.600 think would
00:20:44.700 cause worldwide
00:20:46.500 sympathy
00:20:47.300 for people
00:20:49.020 who have been
00:20:50.120 attacked in this
00:20:50.920 way,
00:20:51.320 and instead
00:20:51.840 it has ignited
00:20:53.440 an anti-Semitic
00:20:54.780 frenzy,
00:20:56.020 almost as though
00:20:56.780 a button
00:20:57.340 had been pushed
00:20:59.080 that said,
00:21:00.820 as one of my
00:21:02.620 favorite quotes
00:21:03.400 in movies,
00:21:04.520 the Blues Brothers,
00:21:06.260 Frank Oz,
00:21:07.020 the director,
00:21:07.660 says as the
00:21:08.460 head of the
00:21:08.940 Chicago Police
00:21:09.600 Department,
00:21:10.800 use of excessive
00:21:11.900 force against
00:21:12.860 the Blues Brothers
00:21:13.840 has been approved.
00:21:16.300 That's what's
00:21:17.160 happened.
00:21:17.660 Suddenly,
00:21:18.240 use of excessive
00:21:18.960 force against 0.94
00:21:19.660 Jews, 1.00
00:21:20.000 you can drive
00:21:21.140 a car
00:21:22.220 into an
00:21:23.180 Indiana building
00:21:24.060 thinking that
00:21:25.040 it's a day school
00:21:26.000 so you can 1.00
00:21:26.840 kill Jewish kids. 1.00
00:21:27.880 Somebody yesterday 1.00
00:21:28.740 people walking
00:21:30.060 out of a
00:21:30.560 building in
00:21:31.160 Brooklyn were
00:21:32.000 pepper sprayed
00:21:32.940 by somebody. 0.97
00:21:34.480 Visible Jews
00:21:35.240 wearing kipot
00:21:36.340 or tallit
00:21:38.060 or tzitzis
00:21:39.440 or the
00:21:40.000 visible
00:21:40.680 manifestations
00:21:41.440 of being
00:21:41.980 Jewish,
00:21:42.640 right?
00:21:43.360 And then,
00:21:43.820 of course,
00:21:44.040 you have all
00:21:44.360 these people
00:21:44.720 tearing down
00:21:45.300 these kidnap
00:21:45.920 posters for
00:21:47.300 reasons that
00:21:48.360 should be known
00:21:49.720 only to them,
00:21:50.640 their psychiatrists,
00:21:51.900 their priests,
00:21:53.120 and the world
00:21:53.880 to come,
00:21:54.280 and St. Peter
00:21:56.060 at the pearly
00:21:57.040 gates of the world
00:21:57.880 to come.
00:21:59.100 They won't be
00:21:59.680 going there.
00:22:02.080 I'm glad to
00:22:02.920 hear that.
00:22:03.440 This is not my
00:22:04.220 cosmology,
00:22:05.820 so that's
00:22:07.340 very relieved.
00:22:07.600 I got a direct
00:22:08.640 line.
00:22:09.540 My nana's up
00:22:10.260 there.
00:22:10.800 I got it on
00:22:11.340 good authority.
00:22:12.320 They're getting
00:22:12.620 the boot on
00:22:13.240 the forehead. 0.83
00:22:14.080 And I'll give
00:22:14.420 you another
00:22:14.960 pop culture
00:22:16.220 reference on
00:22:16.800 what happened
00:22:17.240 here as we
00:22:17.760 continue to
00:22:18.320 hear calls
00:22:18.980 for a ceasefire.
00:22:20.040 It's from
00:22:20.600 Animal House,
00:22:21.320 which I know
00:22:21.680 you guys love
00:22:22.400 as much as I
00:22:22.940 do because
00:22:23.240 we're all on
00:22:24.220 the older
00:22:24.560 side.
00:22:26.640 It's the line
00:22:27.680 when they come
00:22:28.480 back and they
00:22:29.080 took the one
00:22:29.800 guy's car and
00:22:30.640 it gets completely
00:22:31.260 damaged and
00:22:32.100 messed up.
00:22:32.940 And he looks at
00:22:33.640 him and he
00:22:33.840 says, 1.00
00:22:34.140 you fucked up. 1.00
00:22:35.020 You trusted us. 1.00
00:22:37.360 Those people are
00:22:38.500 like ceasefire.
00:22:39.780 What do you think
00:22:40.140 was happening on
00:22:40.760 October 6th?
00:22:41.900 Israel was letting 1.00
00:22:42.820 the Palestinians in.
00:22:43.980 They were letting
00:22:44.340 people from Gaza
00:22:45.700 into Israel,
00:22:46.740 letting them work
00:22:47.460 amongst them,
00:22:48.700 trying to forge a
00:22:50.060 peace and
00:22:50.700 prosperity that
00:22:52.120 was firmly
00:22:53.120 rejected.
00:22:53.800 And now we
00:22:54.280 know that those
00:22:55.500 Palestinians were 0.99
00:22:56.360 mapping out the
00:22:57.520 kibbutzes,
00:22:58.660 figuring out where
00:22:59.340 the babies were,
00:23:00.240 where the most
00:23:00.720 vulnerable were,
00:23:01.640 so that they
00:23:02.060 could return and
00:23:02.920 know right where
00:23:03.620 to inflict the
00:23:04.320 torture.
00:23:05.260 It's just that
00:23:06.040 the ceasefire now
00:23:07.360 crowd is
00:23:08.060 disingenuous.
00:23:08.960 I think we know
00:23:09.740 that.
00:23:10.700 This woman who
00:23:11.700 he mentions,
00:23:12.500 who John
00:23:12.860 mentions,
00:23:13.320 Christine,
00:23:14.320 who plowed her 0.71
00:23:15.000 car into what
00:23:15.660 she thought was
00:23:16.080 a Jewish school.
00:23:17.180 Okay,
00:23:17.480 Indiana,
00:23:18.040 we mentioned
00:23:18.380 her name is
00:23:18.780 Aruba.
00:23:19.160 Al-Mate.
00:23:21.300 And she
00:23:22.580 hit this
00:23:23.720 institute thinking
00:23:24.580 that she was 0.64
00:23:25.340 going to kill 1.00
00:23:25.720 Jews. 1.00
00:23:26.140 There were
00:23:26.340 several adults
00:23:26.940 and children
00:23:27.360 inside,
00:23:28.520 police now
00:23:29.180 calling her
00:23:29.620 a terrorist.
00:23:30.660 She said,
00:23:31.420 I did it on
00:23:31.820 purpose.
00:23:32.620 I wanted to,
00:23:33.340 quote, help
00:23:33.580 my people
00:23:34.020 back in
00:23:34.460 Palestine.
00:23:35.660 And, of
00:23:36.220 course, it
00:23:36.640 wound up to
00:23:37.120 being an
00:23:37.640 Israeli school
00:23:38.600 affiliated, I
00:23:40.660 guess, with
00:23:41.000 the Black
00:23:41.340 Hebrew Israelites,
00:23:42.540 which the
00:23:43.040 ADF labels
00:23:43.780 extreme and
00:23:44.640 anti-Semitic,
00:23:45.300 so she had
00:23:45.720 her facts a
00:23:46.320 little confused,
00:23:47.520 but her
00:23:48.040 intention remains
00:23:48.920 the same.
00:23:50.260 We've seen
00:23:51.240 so much,
00:23:53.380 so many stories
00:23:54.580 of the rise
00:23:55.440 in anti-Semitism
00:23:56.100 and attacks,
00:23:57.060 including the one
00:23:57.560 I began with,
00:23:58.380 with this poor
00:23:59.060 man,
00:23:59.660 Kessler,
00:24:00.100 Paul Kessler.
00:24:01.060 And the media
00:24:02.760 coverage that
00:24:03.900 we've seen just
00:24:04.580 in the past 15
00:24:05.580 hours of Paul
00:24:06.620 Kessler's death
00:24:08.980 is right on
00:24:10.700 brand.
00:24:11.440 I mean, I would
00:24:11.800 say it's shocking,
00:24:12.600 but you and I both
00:24:13.400 know it's not
00:24:14.140 shocking.
00:24:14.460 I'll just show
00:24:14.960 the audience a
00:24:15.500 couple of
00:24:15.740 headlines and
00:24:16.180 you can weigh
00:24:16.540 in.
00:24:18.380 Here's NBC.
00:24:20.600 Man dies after
00:24:22.360 hitting head
00:24:23.340 during Israel 0.71
00:24:24.980 and Palestinian
00:24:25.980 rallies in
00:24:27.120 California.
00:24:28.020 Like, just 0.94
00:24:28.520 dies.
00:24:29.220 Like, what
00:24:29.460 did he have
00:24:30.940 like a heart
00:24:31.980 attack?
00:24:32.700 What do you
00:24:33.020 mean?
00:24:33.200 He hit his
00:24:33.580 head and he
00:24:33.880 had a heart
00:24:34.200 attack?
00:24:34.600 NBC, what
00:24:35.120 happened?
00:24:35.840 Walk us
00:24:36.400 through it.
00:24:36.780 I think you're
00:24:37.320 missing some
00:24:37.820 things.
00:24:38.540 Here's the ABC
00:24:39.560 seven, California
00:24:41.480 tweet.
00:24:42.720 Elderly Jewish 1.00
00:24:43.660 man dies
00:24:44.660 after confrontation
00:24:45.940 with pro-Palestinian
00:24:47.380 protesters.
00:24:47.780 Again, what do
00:24:48.900 you mean?
00:24:49.140 Did he die
00:24:49.720 like from stress?
00:24:50.940 Did he did he
00:24:51.480 have a stroke?
00:24:52.080 What happened?
00:24:52.640 No, he died
00:24:53.720 because they
00:24:54.460 appeared to
00:24:54.860 have hit him
00:24:55.300 in the head 0.99
00:24:55.640 with a megaphone 0.97
00:24:56.420 causing blunt
00:24:57.460 force trauma
00:24:58.040 that resulted
00:24:59.080 in a homicidal
00:24:59.860 death.
00:25:00.280 That's what the
00:25:00.680 medical examiner
00:25:01.340 says.
00:25:02.300 Here's New York
00:25:02.640 Times again.
00:25:03.760 Jewish man
00:25:04.520 dies after
00:25:05.760 altercation
00:25:06.560 at dueling
00:25:07.400 protests in
00:25:08.380 California.
00:25:08.940 I mean, how
00:25:10.700 about Jewish
00:25:11.180 man was
00:25:11.720 killed?
00:25:12.340 This is
00:25:12.700 reminding me,
00:25:13.280 Christine,
00:25:13.660 of the
00:25:14.640 truck mows
00:25:17.680 down protesters
00:25:18.960 in Waukesha,
00:25:20.600 Wisconsin,
00:25:21.440 right?
00:25:22.060 Right.
00:25:22.600 This is Eli
00:25:23.580 Lake, our
00:25:24.040 mutual friend,
00:25:24.920 corrected the
00:25:25.540 New York
00:25:25.740 Times headline
00:25:26.700 for them.
00:25:27.160 Instead of
00:25:27.500 Jewish man
00:25:27.900 dies after
00:25:28.400 altercation
00:25:28.900 at dueling
00:25:29.200 protests,
00:25:29.780 he changed
00:25:30.160 it to Jewish
00:25:30.980 man was
00:25:31.420 killed by
00:25:31.860 pro-Palestinian
00:25:32.580 protesters in
00:25:33.900 California.
00:25:34.740 The Times,
00:25:35.660 NBC, ABC,
00:25:36.860 they never
00:25:37.180 have this
00:25:37.680 hesitancy when
00:25:38.920 they're dealing
00:25:39.400 with, you
00:25:40.280 know, a
00:25:40.560 BLM 1.00
00:25:40.940 protester who
00:25:41.580 got hurt or
00:25:42.220 anybody who's
00:25:42.940 perceived as
00:25:43.520 on their
00:25:44.060 side.
00:25:45.580 Absolutely.
00:25:45.940 The unwillingness
00:25:46.760 to name what
00:25:47.480 has happened and
00:25:48.680 that we see with
00:25:49.360 our own eyes that
00:25:50.460 happened and that
00:25:51.520 we have footage of
00:25:52.560 what is happening
00:25:53.300 is why I keep
00:25:54.760 coming back to
00:25:55.440 this term Orwellian.
00:25:56.480 It really is
00:25:57.080 Orwellian.
00:25:58.100 There is a
00:25:58.500 concerted effort on
00:26:00.500 the part of the
00:26:01.400 mainstream media to
00:26:02.740 not tell people
00:26:03.800 what's happening and
00:26:04.840 we need to ask
00:26:05.660 why that is.
00:26:06.520 One reason is
00:26:07.620 that they are
00:26:07.960 trying to protect
00:26:08.800 an administration
00:26:09.400 that, as you
00:26:10.000 said at the
00:26:10.800 beginning of the
00:26:11.280 show, is very
00:26:12.440 keen to always
00:26:13.880 attach any
00:26:14.540 condemnation of
00:26:15.280 anti-Semitism
00:26:16.000 with Islamophobia.
00:26:17.760 We've seen that
00:26:18.160 over and over
00:26:18.720 again.
00:26:19.440 There is no
00:26:19.820 moral equivalence
00:26:20.820 here.
00:26:21.200 Anti-Semitic
00:26:21.860 acts, anti-Semitic
00:26:22.940 violence should be
00:26:23.760 called out.
00:26:25.200 End of sentence.
00:26:26.660 There is no
00:26:27.160 reason to
00:26:27.760 equivocate or to
00:26:28.660 tag on other
00:26:29.360 forms of hatred.
00:26:30.480 And it's an
00:26:30.880 unwillingness of the
00:26:31.600 Democratic Party to
00:26:32.580 deal with its
00:26:33.280 extremist fringe,
00:26:34.380 which is vocal,
00:26:36.100 it is proud,
00:26:36.980 it's loud, and
00:26:37.700 as I said
00:26:38.380 earlier, is
00:26:39.020 encouraging people
00:26:39.680 to go to the
00:26:40.180 streets and fight
00:26:40.980 about this.
00:26:42.280 The use of the
00:26:43.500 passive voice here
00:26:44.360 is deliberate,
00:26:45.360 despicable, and it
00:26:46.440 needs to be called
00:26:47.140 out every single
00:26:47.920 time it's happening.
00:26:48.820 And it's not just
00:26:49.700 rhetoric anymore.
00:26:50.760 It used to be,
00:26:51.420 I mean, and as
00:26:52.320 John knows, we
00:26:52.920 have for very
00:26:54.280 many years been
00:26:55.100 talking about a
00:26:55.860 lot of the
00:26:56.160 anti-Semitism on
00:26:57.080 the far left and
00:26:57.820 the far right, the
00:26:58.860 kind of rhetoric
00:26:59.400 that people listen
00:27:01.060 to and are
00:27:01.600 galvanized by and
00:27:02.540 why that's wrong.
00:27:03.160 We are past the
00:27:04.380 moment of just
00:27:04.940 calling out the
00:27:05.560 rhetoric.
00:27:06.180 We need to act.
00:27:07.460 We need lawmakers
00:27:08.480 to start making
00:27:09.580 sure that laws on
00:27:10.560 the books are
00:27:11.060 enforced, whether
00:27:11.660 that's hate crime
00:27:12.300 legislation, whether
00:27:13.060 that's, you know,
00:27:13.800 just simple assault
00:27:14.600 in many cases, like
00:27:15.740 the young woman who
00:27:16.400 was trying to
00:27:17.260 prevent someone from
00:27:17.960 tearing down posters
00:27:18.860 in New York this
00:27:19.540 week and who got
00:27:20.120 flung to the
00:27:21.000 sidewalk.
00:27:21.940 That's assault.
00:27:22.720 That should be
00:27:23.120 prosecuted.
00:27:24.300 These people need
00:27:25.140 to be taught a
00:27:26.180 lesson, whether that's
00:27:27.020 through the rule of
00:27:27.560 law or through a bit
00:27:29.220 of public shaming,
00:27:30.000 which is also
00:27:30.480 happening.
00:27:31.200 There need to be
00:27:31.760 consequences for
00:27:32.720 this behavior.
00:27:33.440 It's not enough
00:27:34.140 just to call it
00:27:34.880 out.
00:27:35.180 And I think state
00:27:36.140 by state we are
00:27:36.920 seeing efforts, I
00:27:37.700 know Virginia is
00:27:38.360 one state that's
00:27:38.960 done this, Florida
00:27:39.680 is doing this as
00:27:40.380 well, where lawmakers
00:27:41.420 are actually trying
00:27:42.380 to get a working
00:27:43.260 definition of
00:27:43.860 anti-Semitism on
00:27:44.960 the books so that
00:27:46.000 these laws can be
00:27:47.020 enforced when these
00:27:48.220 sorts of crimes
00:27:48.920 occur, when these
00:27:49.680 sorts of threats
00:27:50.260 are made.
00:27:50.700 There are threats
00:27:51.160 every day to
00:27:52.120 Jewish day schools,
00:27:53.120 to synagogues, all 1.00
00:27:54.300 across this country.
00:27:55.000 Those aren't even
00:27:55.580 being fully reported.
00:27:56.920 It's happening all the
00:27:57.980 time.
00:27:58.220 But we need to do
00:27:59.020 more than just call
00:27:59.820 it out.
00:28:00.200 We need to
00:28:00.540 actually act.
00:28:01.900 Okay, I want to
00:28:02.380 connect the dots
00:28:03.900 between what
00:28:05.240 happened in
00:28:05.760 Indiana, what
00:28:06.940 Christine is
00:28:07.520 talking about, and
00:28:08.620 the world in
00:28:09.340 which, excuse me,
00:28:10.920 I live.
00:28:12.580 So, Paul Kessler
00:28:14.560 was killed,
00:28:15.660 apparently murdered,
00:28:18.020 by somebody who
00:28:19.100 flung a megaphone at
00:28:20.280 him, and then
00:28:20.800 whatever happened,
00:28:21.760 happened.
00:28:22.200 The blunt force
00:28:22.900 trauma seems to
00:28:23.840 have begun with the
00:28:25.520 megaphone being 0.50
00:28:26.260 thrown at his head.
00:28:28.080 Well, a week
00:28:29.580 earlier, in New
00:28:31.260 Orleans, right
00:28:34.260 near Tulane
00:28:34.940 University, there
00:28:36.040 was a protest and
00:28:37.620 a counter-protest,
00:28:39.160 and a kid at that
00:28:41.000 protest, a Jewish
00:28:42.000 kid, had his nose
00:28:43.820 broken because a
00:28:45.000 megaphone was
00:28:45.700 thrown in his 0.87
00:28:47.040 face.
00:28:48.280 I knew him.
00:28:48.800 I know that
00:28:49.860 kid.
00:28:50.580 I knew that kid
00:28:51.820 when he was three
00:28:52.800 years old.
00:28:54.180 He was in my
00:28:55.120 daughter's nursery
00:28:56.460 school class and
00:28:57.880 was in her
00:28:58.420 grade for seven
00:28:59.820 years, and
00:29:02.380 he, they
00:29:04.660 went to a
00:29:06.180 Jewish day 0.97
00:29:06.740 school, exactly
00:29:07.800 the kind of
00:29:08.760 institution that
00:29:11.560 Ruba sought to
00:29:12.740 drive her car
00:29:13.700 into to kill 1.00
00:29:14.840 kids. 1.00
00:29:16.020 Like my son,
00:29:18.540 my daughter is
00:29:19.620 now in college,
00:29:20.480 my son is still
00:29:21.260 going to that
00:29:22.020 school.
00:29:22.620 Now, it is a
00:29:23.380 hardened school
00:29:25.000 in the middle
00:29:26.080 of New York
00:29:26.520 City.
00:29:27.280 You're not
00:29:27.880 getting in
00:29:28.320 there, so
00:29:29.380 don't even
00:29:29.720 try.
00:29:30.340 There are
00:29:30.660 bollards, there
00:29:31.660 are security
00:29:32.800 guards, there
00:29:33.740 is immense
00:29:34.540 security at the
00:29:35.460 school that was
00:29:36.660 put in place as
00:29:37.580 it was being
00:29:38.080 built, precisely
00:29:39.560 seeing the
00:29:40.680 possibility of a
00:29:41.660 future like this,
00:29:42.500 particularly after
00:29:44.180 9-11.
00:29:45.380 But what I'm
00:29:45.820 talking about
00:29:46.500 here is
00:29:47.360 violence against 0.99
00:29:50.380 Jews, Jewish 0.63
00:29:51.900 institutions, and
00:29:53.520 its purpose is
00:29:54.540 not simply to
00:29:56.020 make a
00:29:56.480 statement.
00:29:57.960 It is to 1.00
00:29:59.260 kill people, 1.00
00:30:01.140 and particularly 1.00
00:30:03.300 to kill kids, 1.00
00:30:06.740 and particularly 1.00
00:30:08.080 to try to 1.00
00:30:09.880 kill my 1.00
00:30:10.920 kid. 0.97
00:30:12.600 And I'm not
00:30:13.560 going to stand
00:30:14.180 here and ask
00:30:15.620 for a
00:30:16.020 blindfold.
00:30:17.680 That doesn't
00:30:18.500 mean I'm going
00:30:19.080 to go out and
00:30:20.060 find the real
00:30:21.300 killer.
00:30:21.900 I'm 62 0.91
00:30:22.760 years old.
00:30:23.960 I'm well past
00:30:25.780 my due date on
00:30:27.320 stuff like that.
00:30:28.760 But what I mean
00:30:29.460 is, if you
00:30:31.380 are, and
00:30:32.220 you'll excuse
00:30:32.700 me for naming
00:30:33.520 people, but
00:30:34.500 if you are
00:30:35.160 Mehdi Hassan
00:30:36.080 on MSNBC
00:30:37.440 making
00:30:38.540 apologia for
00:30:40.220 Hamas, I
00:30:42.640 am not going 0.58
00:30:43.180 to let you get
00:30:43.760 away with it.
00:30:44.600 Every time you
00:30:45.560 do it on
00:30:46.200 Twitter, every
00:30:46.920 time you do
00:30:47.600 it on MSNBC,
00:30:49.160 I got a
00:30:49.900 hundred and
00:30:50.320 something thousand
00:30:50.940 followers on
00:30:51.680 Twitter, I
00:30:52.200 have a
00:30:52.500 magazine
00:30:52.900 here, I
00:30:53.780 have a
00:30:54.240 physical
00:30:54.800 presence, you
00:30:56.400 are going to
00:30:56.800 hear from me
00:30:57.420 every single
00:30:58.780 time, and
00:31:00.480 that should be
00:31:01.100 true of the
00:31:01.580 Jewish community
00:31:02.200 entirely in the
00:31:03.460 United States
00:31:04.120 and across the
00:31:05.000 world.
00:31:06.040 That is our
00:31:07.020 challenge, because
00:31:07.920 we're not the
00:31:08.560 lawmaker, you
00:31:09.340 know, I mean, if
00:31:09.940 you're Chuck
00:31:10.660 Schumer and
00:31:11.220 you're a Jewish
00:31:11.700 lawmaker, you're
00:31:12.420 then in a
00:31:12.800 position to do
00:31:14.280 what Christine
00:31:15.160 is talking
00:31:16.260 about.
00:31:16.720 But holding
00:31:17.480 accountable the
00:31:19.360 people who are
00:31:20.500 making apologies,
00:31:22.040 are using
00:31:22.680 euphemisms for
00:31:24.600 mass murder and
00:31:25.700 support of a
00:31:26.580 doctrine.
00:31:27.080 Remember, Hamas' 1.00
00:31:28.100 charter calls for
00:31:30.640 the murder and 0.96
00:31:31.560 elimination of 1.00
00:31:32.540 Jews. 0.99
00:31:32.840 That is the
00:31:33.380 charter.
00:31:34.280 That is the
00:31:34.860 declaration of
00:31:35.720 independence of
00:31:36.660 Hamas is 1.00
00:31:38.300 killing Jews. 1.00
00:31:39.340 That is its 1.00
00:31:40.040 purpose.
00:31:41.240 Its purpose
00:31:41.740 isn't to build a
00:31:42.640 civil society
00:31:43.560 where all can
00:31:44.980 live in peace
00:31:45.820 under a
00:31:47.000 wonderful Muslim
00:31:48.080 rubric. 1.00
00:31:48.660 It is to kill 1.00
00:31:49.540 Jews. 1.00
00:31:50.620 And they went 1.00
00:31:51.100 and killed 0.56
00:31:51.640 thousands of 0.95
00:31:52.880 Jews.
00:31:53.760 They want to 1.00
00:31:54.540 kill thousands 1.00
00:31:55.100 more. 0.97
00:31:55.760 And all of
00:31:56.240 these supporters,
00:31:57.160 what am I
00:31:57.560 supposed to
00:31:58.020 think?
00:31:58.960 They like
00:31:59.720 Hamas? 0.90
00:32:00.460 Maybe they 1.00
00:32:00.880 want to kill 1.00
00:32:01.400 Jews too. 1.00
00:32:02.260 And maybe
00:32:02.600 they'll do it
00:32:03.180 here.
00:32:03.640 And they're
00:32:03.960 trying right
00:32:04.780 now.
00:32:05.360 And they
00:32:05.640 just killed
00:32:06.180 Paul Kessler.
00:32:07.200 And they're
00:32:07.720 spraying pepper
00:32:08.620 spraying people's
00:32:09.460 faces.
00:32:10.360 And what if
00:32:10.960 that incident
00:32:11.640 that Christine 0.99
00:32:12.320 talked about
00:32:13.060 on the
00:32:13.780 city
00:32:14.020 street where
00:32:15.300 there was
00:32:16.540 an altercation
00:32:17.620 between these
00:32:18.240 two girls,
00:32:18.960 one of whom
00:32:19.360 was trying
00:32:19.780 to stop
00:32:20.380 one from
00:32:21.280 pulling down
00:32:22.020 the kidnap
00:32:22.600 posters.
00:32:23.600 And she
00:32:23.920 threw her 0.99
00:32:24.440 to the
00:32:24.760 ground.
00:32:25.100 But what
00:32:25.400 if her
00:32:26.040 head had
00:32:26.920 smashed
00:32:27.300 against the
00:32:27.860 pavement?
00:32:29.620 And she
00:32:30.420 had had a
00:32:30.880 brain aneurysm
00:32:31.680 and died.
00:32:32.360 It's not
00:32:32.860 like that's
00:32:33.500 unthinkable
00:32:34.240 or beyond
00:32:34.820 the bounds
00:32:35.280 of possibility.
00:32:37.380 We're going
00:32:37.620 to show people
00:32:38.080 that in one
00:32:38.980 minute.
00:32:39.880 We've got
00:32:40.320 that.
00:32:40.600 I do want
00:32:40.980 to say this
00:32:41.440 too,
00:32:41.780 though.
00:32:42.320 You don't
00:32:42.980 have to
00:32:43.840 believe the
00:32:44.220 Hamas 0.96
00:32:44.500 charter.
00:32:45.260 You don't
00:32:45.480 have to
00:32:45.660 go back
00:32:45.920 and look
00:32:46.220 it up.
00:32:47.120 You don't
00:32:47.360 have to
00:32:47.560 spend time
00:32:47.980 wondering
00:32:48.280 whether they
00:32:48.640 had a
00:32:48.860 change of
00:32:49.200 heart since
00:32:50.280 then.
00:32:51.320 One of
00:32:51.880 Hamas's top 0.99
00:32:52.560 leaders came
00:32:53.100 out within
00:32:54.160 the past
00:32:54.500 seven days
00:32:55.000 and reiterated
00:32:56.140 and reiterated
00:32:56.160 and reiterated
00:32:56.180 what will
00:32:56.920 happen going
00:32:58.680 forward,
00:32:59.160 whether there's
00:32:59.560 a ceasefire,
00:33:00.280 whether there's
00:33:00.600 not a
00:33:00.860 ceasefire.
00:33:01.260 No matter
00:33:01.780 what happens
00:33:02.320 at this
00:33:02.580 point,
00:33:02.960 he made
00:33:03.540 their plan,
00:33:04.780 Hamas's plan 1.00
00:33:05.480 perfectly clear
00:33:06.640 for those
00:33:07.420 like Queen
00:33:08.140 Rania of 0.52
00:33:09.460 Jordan,
00:33:09.860 who's out
00:33:10.220 there again
00:33:10.960 saying we
00:33:11.560 have to have
00:33:12.080 a ceasefire.
00:33:12.900 This is mass
00:33:14.260 punishment,
00:33:14.840 the whole thing,
00:33:15.320 collective punishment.
00:33:16.380 Here's what he
00:33:17.040 said will happen.
00:33:17.620 Israel is a 1.00
00:33:20.580 country that 0.99
00:33:21.000 has no place
00:33:21.720 on our land.
00:33:22.520 We must
00:33:22.840 remove that 0.77
00:33:23.340 country because
00:33:24.300 it constitutes
00:33:24.860 a security,
00:33:25.840 military and
00:33:26.620 political
00:33:27.000 catastrophe to
00:33:28.760 the Arab
00:33:29.120 and Islamic
00:33:29.540 nation and
00:33:30.320 it must be
00:33:30.800 finished.
00:33:31.480 We are not
00:33:31.980 ashamed to
00:33:32.400 say this with
00:33:32.960 full force.
00:33:33.860 We must teach
00:33:34.360 Israel a lesson 0.94
00:33:35.020 and we will do
00:33:35.700 this again and
00:33:36.540 again.
00:33:37.220 The Al-Aqsa
00:33:37.700 flood is the
00:33:38.440 first time and
00:33:39.120 there will be a
00:33:39.520 second, a
00:33:40.060 third, a
00:33:40.540 fourth because
00:33:41.420 we have the
00:33:41.840 determination, the
00:33:42.940 resolve and the
00:33:43.720 capabilities to
00:33:44.540 fight.
00:33:45.240 Will we have to
00:33:45.660 pay a price?
00:33:46.520 Yes, and we
00:33:47.160 are ready to
00:33:47.620 pay it.
00:33:48.240 We are called a
00:33:48.980 nation of
00:33:49.360 martyrs and we
00:33:49.900 are proud to
00:33:50.360 sacrifice martyrs.
00:33:51.780 The occupation
00:33:52.560 must come to an
00:33:53.280 end.
00:33:53.840 Occupation where?
00:33:54.660 In the Gaza 0.54
00:33:55.100 Strip?
00:33:55.640 No, I'm talking
00:33:56.340 about all the
00:33:56.920 Palestinian lands.
00:33:58.060 Does that mean
00:33:58.440 the annihilation of
00:33:59.280 Israel? 0.53
00:33:59.760 Yes, of course.
00:34:01.120 On October 7th,
00:34:02.040 October 10th,
00:34:03.000 October 1 million
00:34:03.960 everything we do
00:34:04.720 is justified.
00:34:07.820 Well, there you
00:34:08.460 have it.
00:34:09.120 I mean, as a
00:34:10.180 prosecutor in a
00:34:11.020 court of law, that
00:34:11.640 would be the spike 0.55
00:34:12.220 the ball in the
00:34:13.020 end zone moment,
00:34:13.840 Christine.
00:34:14.800 Yes, the martyrs
00:34:15.900 he refers to, those
00:34:16.800 are civilians.
00:34:17.420 Those are the
00:34:18.140 civilians that we
00:34:19.040 are being told
00:34:19.800 Israel should have a 0.88
00:34:20.980 ceasefire for to
00:34:22.200 protect.
00:34:22.980 Their own leaders
00:34:23.840 see them as
00:34:24.760 cannon fodder,
00:34:25.700 useful tools of
00:34:26.940 propaganda and
00:34:27.980 hate that they are
00:34:29.140 happy to sacrifice on
00:34:30.520 the altar of their
00:34:31.240 own pursuit of
00:34:32.040 martyrdom.
00:34:32.580 That is what he
00:34:33.300 means by the
00:34:33.940 martyrs.
00:34:34.420 Yeah, and the
00:34:37.140 occupation.
00:34:37.800 I mean, there's a lot
00:34:38.640 of misinformation in
00:34:39.480 there, but I
00:34:40.500 believe him in his
00:34:41.520 call.
00:34:41.780 They're calling it
00:34:42.260 the Al-Aqsa flood
00:34:43.760 is what they're
00:34:44.620 calling the October
00:34:45.620 7th terrorist
00:34:46.520 massacre.
00:34:47.420 And he says, we're
00:34:48.540 going to do it over
00:34:49.180 and over and over
00:34:50.480 and over again.
00:34:51.460 So what would you do
00:34:52.120 if you were Israel?
00:34:53.020 Just sit back and
00:34:53.820 wait for more babies 1.00
00:34:54.820 to be murdered in 0.98
00:34:55.480 their cribs? 0.99
00:34:56.300 Or would you make
00:34:56.860 sure that you 0.70
00:34:57.280 eradicated this group
00:34:58.240 before they could
00:34:58.840 continue murdering
00:35:00.040 your civilians?
00:35:01.040 It's so obvious and
00:35:02.880 yet people refuse to
00:35:04.200 see.
00:35:04.880 And it could be
00:35:05.360 because they have an
00:35:06.620 ideology that's woke
00:35:07.820 and they put it into
00:35:08.840 skin color.
00:35:09.760 It could be because
00:35:10.480 they already hate 0.96
00:35:11.580 Jews or simply have 0.98
00:35:12.980 absolutely no empathy 0.51
00:35:13.940 for them.
00:35:15.240 But there's way more
00:35:17.120 of it in the United
00:35:17.700 States than I ever
00:35:18.800 knew existed.
00:35:19.800 And I think a lot of
00:35:20.420 people are seeing the
00:35:21.920 amount of anti-Semitism
00:35:22.920 putting them on their
00:35:24.100 heels.
00:35:24.740 Stand by one minute.
00:35:25.560 We're going to come
00:35:25.960 back with John and
00:35:26.500 Christine and we're
00:35:27.360 going to get into a
00:35:27.920 little bit more of
00:35:28.420 this poster tear down
00:35:29.360 thing.
00:35:30.040 And how it's
00:35:30.780 escalating more and
00:35:31.640 more.
00:35:31.920 Stand by.
00:35:33.200 Your business doesn't
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00:36:07.160 Despite some people
00:36:08.460 losing their jobs for
00:36:09.720 taking down flyers of
00:36:11.660 the Israeli hostages,
00:36:13.980 keep in mind these are
00:36:14.800 children.
00:36:15.540 These are children who
00:36:16.420 we believe are being
00:36:17.120 held underground by
00:36:17.980 Hamas terrorists right 1.00
00:36:19.440 now. 0.72
00:36:20.180 And many people trying
00:36:21.240 to call attention to
00:36:22.040 them.
00:36:22.260 Many Americans trying
00:36:22.960 to call attention to
00:36:23.700 them, their relatives,
00:36:24.800 by posting their flyers,
00:36:26.580 their pictures, in places
00:36:28.240 like New York and
00:36:28.940 elsewhere, and that
00:36:30.420 this so-called pro-
00:36:31.780 Palestinian crowd
00:36:32.660 seems to be more
00:36:34.040 pro-Hamas, pulling
00:36:35.780 them down.
00:36:36.520 We continue to see it
00:36:37.420 happening.
00:36:37.940 They know they're
00:36:38.900 risking their jobs.
00:36:39.960 They just can't help
00:36:40.580 themselves.
00:36:41.380 But like John said
00:36:42.160 moments ago, we're not
00:36:43.360 going to let them just
00:36:44.120 get away with it.
00:36:44.700 I have been avidly
00:36:46.080 retweeting stop
00:36:47.160 anti-Semitism, which
00:36:48.440 been doing a great job
00:36:49.560 documenting all of
00:36:50.400 this, because I'm
00:36:51.540 perfectly happy to name
00:36:52.780 and shame these people.
00:36:54.180 Perfectly happy to name
00:36:55.080 and shame them.
00:36:55.800 I'm perfectly happy to
00:36:56.760 name and shame all these 1.00
00:36:57.720 college campus losers 1.00
00:36:58.920 who are saying this 1.00
00:37:00.100 stuff.
00:37:00.620 It's not it's not
00:37:01.540 cancel culture.
00:37:02.700 They're free to say
00:37:03.180 whatever the hell they
00:37:03.740 want, and I am free not
00:37:04.820 to hire them.
00:37:05.740 And so are you.
00:37:07.020 First up today, an
00:37:08.040 attorney for the city of
00:37:09.040 New York recorded
00:37:10.160 tearing down photos of
00:37:11.880 missing civilians
00:37:12.780 kidnapped by Hamas.
00:37:13.820 Watch.
00:37:15.420 Why are you taking down
00:37:16.560 pictures of missing
00:37:17.460 children?
00:37:18.340 Why are you taking down
00:37:19.360 pictures of missing
00:37:20.180 children?
00:37:21.260 Why are you taking down
00:37:22.320 pictures of missing
00:37:23.260 children?
00:37:24.300 Why are you taking down
00:37:25.560 pictures of babies?
00:37:29.160 First of all, I love
00:37:30.060 that, like the high voice
00:37:31.060 of the woman doing the
00:37:32.020 the photography like
00:37:33.400 videotape.
00:37:33.880 Good for her.
00:37:34.280 It sounds like a small
00:37:36.040 woman, doesn't it? 1.00
00:37:37.180 Sounds like a petite, 1.00
00:37:38.340 maybe young college age
00:37:40.100 woman.
00:37:40.800 Good for you, sister.
00:37:42.320 This is how you fight
00:37:43.160 back.
00:37:43.480 She didn't want to tell
00:37:44.660 us her name in the
00:37:45.180 video.
00:37:45.560 We now know it's
00:37:46.180 Victoria Ruiz and we
00:37:47.840 now know who she was
00:37:48.880 because of that brave
00:37:49.860 girl with the high voice 0.53
00:37:51.420 documenting the bad
00:37:53.020 acts.
00:37:53.900 Victoria works as a New 0.99
00:37:55.380 York County public
00:37:56.920 defender.
00:37:58.100 Good luck to you if you're
00:37:59.080 a Jewish person who
00:37:59.880 finds themselves on the
00:38:00.780 wrong end of the
00:38:01.220 criminal law and she
00:38:01.940 winds up being
00:38:02.420 appointed to you.
00:38:03.480 She quickly got a
00:38:04.460 point.
00:38:04.880 She quickly apologized
00:38:05.920 when she got caught,
00:38:06.840 but it was not genuine.
00:38:07.640 It was just to keep her
00:38:08.740 job since she only
00:38:09.980 apologized to her
00:38:11.360 employer.
00:38:12.200 When the New York
00:38:12.940 Post reached out to the
00:38:13.800 defender's office about
00:38:14.860 Ruiz, a spokesperson
00:38:15.760 responded, quote,
00:38:17.080 Ms. Ruiz has apologized
00:38:18.280 to those who were hurt
00:38:19.340 or confused by her
00:38:21.100 actions.
00:38:21.660 We weren't confused at
00:38:22.520 all.
00:38:23.500 After an internal review
00:38:24.600 and a pledge by all
00:38:26.040 involved to do better,
00:38:28.100 we accept this apology.
00:38:30.440 What exactly does a
00:38:31.440 pledge by all involved
00:38:32.820 to do better mean?
00:38:34.960 Does it mean going
00:38:35.720 forward, the defender's
00:38:36.580 office pledges it won't
00:38:37.520 hire anti-Semites
00:38:38.600 because cool, good.
00:38:40.180 Or maybe the hostages
00:38:41.200 themselves should have
00:38:42.360 done better.
00:38:43.060 What with all the
00:38:43.760 getting kidnapped they
00:38:45.300 were doing.
00:38:46.420 The babies should have 0.99
00:38:47.560 been more quiet.
00:38:48.440 How is it that anyone
00:38:49.920 other than Ms. Ruiz
00:38:51.340 needs to do better?
00:38:53.860 Next up today, a
00:38:54.940 Hunter College student
00:38:55.760 caught tearing down
00:38:56.600 posters and when
00:38:57.980 confronted on her
00:38:58.960 actions, quickly took
00:39:00.720 the coward's way out by
00:39:02.700 trying to hide her 1.00
00:39:03.600 face.
00:39:05.720 Oh, so brave, tearing
00:39:19.800 down the hostage
00:39:20.380 photos, but not quite
00:39:21.720 brave enough to
00:39:22.660 actually own it.
00:39:23.900 But thanks to stop
00:39:25.040 anti-Semitism again,
00:39:26.420 she's been identified
00:39:27.280 and her name is
00:39:28.000 Frances Hamed.
00:39:29.800 She's a Macaulay 0.56
00:39:31.200 fellow, which means she 1.00
00:39:32.380 goes to college in New
00:39:33.180 York City for free.
00:39:34.400 And yet she seems to
00:39:35.680 really hate Western
00:39:36.420 ideals.
00:39:37.280 And when hiding your
00:39:38.360 face doesn't work, just
00:39:39.640 cry racism.
00:39:41.020 Go back to the old 0.70
00:39:42.200 playbook.
00:39:43.140 This next video has
00:39:44.260 gone completely viral.
00:39:45.460 It's the one we talked
00:39:46.180 about briefly in the
00:39:46.940 first block.
00:39:47.660 It shows a young black 0.89
00:39:49.000 woman taking down the 1.00
00:39:50.440 hostage signs in New
00:39:51.420 York City.
00:39:52.140 She's then confronted by
00:39:53.220 a Jewish woman and a
00:39:54.800 fight breaks out.
00:39:55.560 Watch it.
00:39:55.840 Ah, play the black 1.00
00:40:08.620 card.
00:40:09.440 It's almost
00:40:09.740 unbelievable.
00:40:10.840 You know how scary it 0.87
00:40:11.560 is to be black and be 0.97
00:40:12.280 dragged off for no 0.99
00:40:12.920 reason?
00:40:13.840 I bet those hostages know
00:40:14.980 how it feels to be
00:40:15.700 dragged off against your
00:40:16.600 will.
00:40:17.260 And yet she doesn't
00:40:17.780 seem to have a lot of
00:40:18.460 empathy for them.
00:40:19.680 That woman has not yet 0.93
00:40:20.680 been identified, but she
00:40:21.700 will be and will bring
00:40:23.120 her you her name once we 0.62
00:40:24.180 get it back with me now.
00:40:25.440 John Podoritz and
00:40:26.520 Christine Rosen of the
00:40:27.900 Commentary Magazine
00:40:29.200 podcast.
00:40:30.300 Don't be a freeloader.
00:40:31.640 Pay, support them and
00:40:33.980 listen to them as often
00:40:35.420 as possible.
00:40:35.840 There's always tons of
00:40:36.980 wisdom.
00:40:37.620 And I know.
00:40:38.040 Within five days a week
00:40:39.100 like you.
00:40:39.820 Yeah.
00:40:40.420 Yes, it's not.
00:40:41.700 And of course, you know,
00:40:42.560 you guys have an intimate
00:40:43.640 connection with Israel and
00:40:45.220 the Jewish community.
00:40:46.320 And so this is a
00:40:47.320 particularly close story
00:40:49.240 to your hearts.
00:40:49.720 But your political
00:40:50.900 analysis is always fun to
00:40:51.920 listen to the media
00:40:52.880 analysis.
00:40:53.220 It's good on a number
00:40:54.280 of levels.
00:40:54.680 I love commentary.
00:40:55.820 And my pal Noah Rothman
00:40:57.160 was great when he
00:40:57.840 migrated over to the
00:40:58.940 editors, which I also
00:40:59.780 enjoy.
00:41:00.240 In any event, you can't
00:41:01.580 lose.
00:41:01.860 So what do you make,
00:41:03.320 John, of all these 1.00
00:41:04.200 morons, these so-called, 1.00
00:41:05.820 you know, social justice 1.00
00:41:06.880 warriors pulling down the
00:41:08.720 photos of missing
00:41:09.560 children?
00:41:11.380 I think there is a deep
00:41:13.820 impulse here.
00:41:16.400 To say that the efforts
00:41:19.320 by people to remain,
00:41:21.440 remain to put and keep
00:41:22.860 the hostages front and
00:41:25.420 center in the American
00:41:26.900 consciousness so people
00:41:28.280 understand that what
00:41:30.040 happened on October 7th has
00:41:32.780 not ended.
00:41:34.460 It has not ended.
00:41:36.260 It will not end until those
00:41:39.120 people are freed or even
00:41:42.960 more tragically until we know
00:41:44.960 what their terrible fates
00:41:48.660 might have been.
00:41:51.600 And the effort on the part
00:41:54.100 of the people who are
00:41:55.820 uncomfortable by Israel's 1.00
00:41:58.660 deciding that it has to
00:42:00.380 defend itself, want people
00:42:03.220 to think that this was like
00:42:06.080 a horrible summer storm that
00:42:09.620 just came up, blew everything
00:42:12.160 away, now it's over, cease
00:42:15.120 fire, because the people
00:42:18.840 of Gaza are going to suffer
00:42:20.740 from the Israeli
00:42:22.420 counter-strike.
00:42:24.120 And the living refutation of
00:42:26.840 that propagandistic idea
00:42:29.340 are those 240 people, one of
00:42:33.880 whom is 10 months old.
00:42:36.920 Like, my sister lives in
00:42:39.960 Israel, has two, has four
00:42:42.060 grandchildren, two of them
00:42:43.360 babies.
00:42:44.340 She cannot sleep at night
00:42:46.240 because she thinks about who
00:42:48.780 is changing Kafir's diaper.
00:42:51.560 Like, it is haunting her.
00:42:53.460 She lives in Tel Aviv.
00:42:55.140 Her two relatively newborn
00:42:58.020 grandchildren live in the
00:42:59.460 center of the country.
00:43:00.740 It is impossible for people
00:43:03.700 like that not to have the
00:43:05.620 experience of thinking, as
00:43:08.820 the Passover Haggadah tells us
00:43:11.700 every year, tells us Jews, 0.98
00:43:13.960 that it is our mission to
00:43:16.600 think as though and live as
00:43:18.860 though we had been slaves in
00:43:21.860 Egypt.
00:43:22.920 Everyone in Israel is living 1.00
00:43:25.820 as though they were a hostage
00:43:27.980 in a tunnel in Gaza.
00:43:31.540 And Israel is not going to
00:43:33.600 relent.
00:43:34.240 And they can tear down every
00:43:36.480 poster they see.
00:43:38.060 First of all, people are going
00:43:39.920 to put them right back up.
00:43:41.640 And second of all, the world
00:43:43.360 is going to know who they are
00:43:45.000 and the heartlessness that they
00:43:46.400 are displaying.
00:43:47.660 And third of all, it's not
00:43:50.940 going to stop one centimeter of
00:43:54.580 Israel's advance because the 0.99
00:43:59.640 Jewish religion requires, 0.86
00:44:02.500 requires the recovery of
00:44:06.420 hostages.
00:44:07.320 It is a commandment in the
00:44:10.580 Torah.
00:44:11.600 It is very much a subject that is
00:44:14.280 reflected upon at length in the
00:44:16.860 Talmud because the taking of 0.99
00:44:19.460 hostages was such a common act
00:44:22.740 at the time that the Israelites and
00:44:26.120 the Hebrews were functioning.
00:44:28.640 This is a key element in Jewish
00:44:31.740 law.
00:44:32.660 And we cannot stop.
00:44:36.120 We are commanded not to stop and
00:44:39.440 we are not going to stop.
00:44:42.760 So tear down those posters.
00:44:44.280 I love seeing the ones with like
00:44:45.860 the heavy packing tape around
00:44:48.280 them, you know, and now these
00:44:49.380 they're having a very difficult
00:44:50.780 time pulling the tape down.
00:44:52.460 It's actually very fun to watch
00:44:53.760 them really struggle to get the
00:44:55.940 tape off of because they really
00:44:57.360 want the posters.
00:44:58.060 If they would work this hard at
00:44:59.020 their actual jobs, they might
00:45:00.240 actually succeed in life as it's
00:45:01.740 going.
00:45:02.200 I don't have high hopes.
00:45:05.200 Friends of mine who are very much
00:45:07.160 involved in the posterizing
00:45:08.820 experience have learned things over
00:45:11.160 the last 30 days.
00:45:12.280 Like you can't just put up a piece
00:45:14.040 of paper.
00:45:14.520 It's too hard to tear down.
00:45:15.760 So go laminate them to laminate
00:45:18.120 them.
00:45:18.400 They're kind of easy to tear down.
00:45:19.940 So, but the thing about a
00:45:21.040 laminate is, yeah, if you take
00:45:22.780 clear packing tape and you wrap it
00:45:25.280 around it, that's not so easy.
00:45:27.860 But of course, if you do it too
00:45:29.120 tight, then people can't see the
00:45:30.620 faces.
00:45:31.220 There is a whole process by which
00:45:33.180 this is becoming a professional
00:45:35.520 operation to keep the fact of these
00:45:39.160 people who have been taken by
00:45:41.640 Hamas as human shields, as 0.99
00:45:44.160 bargaining chips and as people, God
00:45:48.120 knows what they're doing to them.
00:45:50.120 God knows what they're doing to
00:45:51.620 them in the tunnels.
00:45:52.780 And can we add the contrast
00:45:54.340 between John mentioned there was a
00:45:56.500 pro-Israel gathering in New York
00:45:58.620 yesterday.
00:45:59.520 There'll be another large one here
00:46:00.860 on the mall in Washington, D.C.
00:46:02.300 next week.
00:46:03.100 I've seen several around town.
00:46:05.320 People show their faces.
00:46:06.600 They pray.
00:46:07.360 They sing.
00:46:07.840 They hold up pictures of these
00:46:09.600 hostages.
00:46:11.000 That's how that's how people who are
00:46:12.880 supporting the state of Israel right
00:46:14.080 now have chosen to acknowledge this
00:46:16.020 terrible moment.
00:46:17.440 Look at the pro-Palestinian protests.
00:46:20.100 Look at the people tearing down those
00:46:21.560 posters.
00:46:22.040 They hide.
00:46:22.820 Their shame is felt for a reason.
00:46:24.620 They hide their faces.
00:46:25.800 They run away when they're caught.
00:46:27.320 They know what they're doing.
00:46:29.180 And so I think that contrast is also
00:46:31.160 quite striking to me.
00:46:32.360 And I was thinking back to 9-11 and the
00:46:34.400 pictures all over New York when people
00:46:35.880 were still missing and people were
00:46:37.740 looking for their loved ones in the in
00:46:39.320 the rubble of the towers and as as well
00:46:42.960 in here in D.C. with the Pentagon having
00:46:45.220 been hit.
00:46:46.840 Imagine college students tearing down
00:46:49.700 those pictures and instead draping
00:46:51.720 themselves in the flags of al-Qaeda and
00:46:54.280 other terrorist groups.
00:46:55.240 That's what's happening right now.
00:46:56.760 That's like the shirt that reads.
00:46:58.660 Oh, it's complicated.
00:46:59.720 It needs context.
00:47:00.980 Right.
00:47:01.180 By the way, I really think they would
00:47:02.520 do well to take.
00:47:03.380 They should talk to the people who
00:47:04.420 invent and sell scissors and shears
00:47:07.360 because those are absolutely impossible
00:47:09.680 to unwrap when you get them.
00:47:11.200 And whoever came up with the wrapping
00:47:13.340 of scissors would know exactly how to 1.00
00:47:15.860 protect the hostage posters.
00:47:17.680 You could never get them down.
00:47:19.220 It's yeah.
00:47:19.800 Either that or Fisher Price children's
00:47:22.360 toys.
00:47:22.620 Any children's toy.
00:47:23.820 I was going to say Christmas packaging.
00:47:26.360 Like, like, try to get one of those
00:47:28.260 toys out of that box.
00:47:30.320 I'm trying to think of, like, the
00:47:31.280 hardest things to unwrap.
00:47:33.700 OK, I've got to ask you about the
00:47:37.020 disgusting display at the Statue of
00:47:38.840 Liberty and and Jewish voices for 0.85
00:47:42.200 peace.
00:47:42.980 Alan Dershowitz says they're not Jewish
00:47:44.880 voices and they're not for peace, but
00:47:46.920 they've they keep getting cited by the
00:47:49.020 mainstream media is like, see, these
00:47:50.440 Jewish people, they're against what 1.00
00:47:52.400 Israel's doing. 0.99
00:47:53.460 And they went to the Statue of
00:47:55.580 Liberty, which you don't mess with.
00:47:57.960 You guys know, John, you're a New
00:47:59.560 Yorker lifelong.
00:48:00.480 You don't mess with the Statue of
00:48:01.820 Liberty.
00:48:02.140 It's a hard no.
00:48:03.240 And yet here they are in Sot 9.
00:48:04.920 Never again for anyone.
00:48:34.920 Um, Natan Sharansky, who spent 11 years
00:48:40.480 in Soviet prisons for the crime of
00:48:43.460 wanting to emigrate to Israel, finally
00:48:45.540 emigrated to Israel in 1986, became a
00:48:49.240 major is a major world figure in the
00:48:52.660 matter of human rights, human dignity.
00:48:54.760 One of the great heroes of our time.
00:48:57.160 He, uh, and his colleague and others, uh,
00:49:01.120 colleague, his colleague, Gil Troy, uh,
00:49:03.920 refers to such people as un-Jews.
00:49:07.040 Uh, they've written a piece about the
00:49:09.620 Jews who advocate for causes that are
00:49:13.260 directly injurious to Jews. 0.90
00:49:16.380 They're un-Jews because they cannot not 1.00
00:49:19.040 be Jews. 0.57
00:49:19.860 The Jewish religion says that even if you
00:49:22.600 convert out of Judaism, we still consider
00:49:25.780 you part of the tribe, we more, we, we are
00:49:29.020 angry at you. 0.95
00:49:30.080 We excommunicate you.
00:49:31.620 We do all sorts of things that we can do 0.98
00:49:33.700 to you, but you are still a Jew, but you 0.96
00:49:37.120 are an un-Jew. 0.99
00:49:38.540 The ultimate un-Jews on the planet are the 1.00
00:49:40.780 members of Jewish Voice for Peace who use 0.99
00:49:43.820 their standing as Jews to attack, degrade, and 1.00
00:49:49.660 harm their own people. 0.99
00:49:52.840 It is an astonishing display.
00:49:55.260 First of all, I'm sure a whole lot of them
00:49:57.460 aren't Jewish to begin with. 0.71
00:49:59.560 It's a, it's a scam operation, but it's also 0.68
00:50:02.240 there to provide cover for people like
00:50:04.500 Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, uh, uh, Corey
00:50:08.580 Bush, others who are either implicitly or
00:50:12.300 openly anti-Semitic, but who can say, oh, I'm 0.98
00:50:14.940 not anti-Semitic.
00:50:16.580 Look, my policy director is part of, uh, is
00:50:19.380 part of a Jewish organization.
00:50:21.020 It's called the Jewish Voice for Peace.
00:50:23.120 So how can I possibly be considered anything
00:50:26.820 but kosher?
00:50:27.880 You got, you got to pay attention to that
00:50:29.600 name, Jewish Voices for Peace, and of
00:50:31.040 course, Students for Justice in Palestine
00:50:32.320 who all want the same thing, and it's not
00:50:34.600 for Israel to thrive or even survive.
00:50:38.340 John Podoretz, Christine Rosen.
00:50:40.160 Next time we'll get Abe on, uh, it'll be,
00:50:43.380 we'll get the whole gang going.
00:50:44.640 Matthew, love him too.
00:50:45.680 He's been on the program before.
00:50:46.760 Great to see you in person.
00:50:48.400 All the best to you on the Upper West, my
00:50:49.640 friend, and we'll be right back.
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00:51:26.180 Joining me now, senior editor for The
00:51:28.580 Post Millennial, journalist Andy Ngo.
00:51:31.280 He's been reporting on some of the blatant
00:51:33.640 displays of anti-Semitism that we have
00:51:35.360 seen across the country and the globe,
00:51:37.160 which seemed to mirror his past reporting
00:51:40.060 on Antifa and BLM.
00:51:42.040 We've had him on before to talk about some
00:51:43.720 of those incidents, including the ones that
00:51:45.960 endangered his own life.
00:51:48.380 Andy, welcome back to the show.
00:51:49.520 Great to have you.
00:51:51.240 Thank you for having me on, Megan.
00:51:52.520 I cannot believe everything that has
00:51:55.420 happened in your life since the last time
00:51:57.140 you came on and we talked about your
00:51:59.640 coverage of Antifa, how you'd been
00:52:01.780 attacked, you've now sued, you won one,
00:52:05.920 you lost a couple with defendants, but you
00:52:08.820 won as well.
00:52:10.000 And now something very similar is unfolding
00:52:14.300 before our very eyes with these pro-Palestinian
00:52:17.680 protests, which are tending more and more to
00:52:21.060 include violence.
00:52:22.020 We just saw the death of this Jewish man
00:52:23.780 today, Paul Kessler.
00:52:25.700 Yesterday it happened.
00:52:27.040 I know you've been over in London where
00:52:28.900 things are getting very serious.
00:52:31.380 I mean, even more so than we've seen
00:52:33.660 necessarily other than Paul Kessler here
00:52:36.040 with the protests.
00:52:36.840 So talk to me about what you've seen over
00:52:39.080 in the UK as you've been covering the
00:52:41.040 aftermath of October 7th.
00:52:43.240 So most people are familiar in my work on
00:52:45.760 the Antifa reporting that I've done over
00:52:48.380 the years.
00:52:48.800 But before that, one of the beats that I used
00:52:51.180 to write about a lot, and it also made me
00:52:54.240 unpopular, was about Islamic extremism,
00:52:57.360 immigration, separatist communities.
00:53:00.640 And that skill set I've been able to bring
00:53:02.680 out as I've returned back to field reporting
00:53:05.680 doing on the ground video coverage.
00:53:08.840 In the UK, we've seen since the 7th of
00:53:13.640 October, there have been every weekend and
00:53:17.080 sometimes during the weekday, very large,
00:53:20.080 ostensibly pro-Palestine rallies.
00:53:22.920 But within these, there are pockets and
00:53:25.960 elements of violent extremism that, to the
00:53:30.740 average person, they might miss because the
00:53:33.840 chants may be in Arabic, they may be in another
00:53:36.120 language.
00:53:36.660 And because I have some background in this area
00:53:39.920 of extremism, as a previous reporter on this
00:53:43.080 beat, I've been able to capture some of that
00:53:45.140 video footage, such as those who have been very
00:53:47.880 explicit in calling for jihad, chants in Arabic
00:53:52.100 about Muhammad's army returning to slaughter the 0.62
00:53:56.540 Jews.
00:53:56.920 And all this is building up to politicians here are
00:54:03.440 quite concerned because this upcoming weekend in the
00:54:07.640 UK is Remembrance Weekend.
00:54:10.700 In the US, it's the same day as Veterans Day.
00:54:13.060 It's a very big holiday, solemn day here.
00:54:18.320 And it coincides on Saturday, the 11th of November, with
00:54:22.660 another Palestine demonstration being called the
00:54:25.860 Million Man March.
00:54:28.040 Now, I think your audience is familiar with what's
00:54:32.680 been happening in the US, where you see university
00:54:35.620 student radicals, academics, and others going out
00:54:40.260 and being not just pro-Palestine, but often quite
00:54:44.100 explicitly pro-Hamas and pro-Hamas terrorism.
00:54:47.920 In the UK, you have that as well.
00:54:50.060 But there's an element of religious extremism to it,
00:54:55.020 given the demographic differences between the US and
00:54:58.360 Europe, that is manifesting.
00:55:00.600 And it's manifesting in dangerous ways and can be
00:55:04.340 potentially be very explosive, given that there's a
00:55:07.680 longer history of Islamic terrorism happening here.
00:55:11.040 I mean, just in the days after the 7th of October, there
00:55:15.200 was a deadly terrorist attack in the UK that most people
00:55:18.440 didn't even hear about here or in the US.
00:55:20.860 There was a deadly stabbing attack in the north of England, and
00:55:25.300 authorities have been very tight-lipped about it, just saying
00:55:28.420 that it was by a Moroccan...
00:55:32.320 The suspect is a Moroccan refugee.
00:55:36.760 So there's already been deadly violence here in relation to the
00:55:42.420 Israel and Hamas conflict.
00:55:43.980 What similarities, if any, do you see between Antifa and these groups
00:55:50.560 showing up at the pro-Palestinian protests?
00:55:55.880 The huge demonstrations that have been happening in the US and UK have
00:55:59.560 brought out a wide coalition of...
00:56:03.920 In a way, you can view them sort of as strange bedfellows.
00:56:06.320 I mean, what do Muslim immigrants, Islamists, Muslim extremists, and radical 0.76
00:56:13.700 white leftists have in common?
00:56:17.320 On the surface, you wouldn't think they have things in common, but they do share
00:56:21.980 often the same targets, the same political enemies, that being America and
00:56:31.400 America's friends and allies.
00:56:34.400 I think the Antifa element in the US, or the radical left, I should broaden it a little
00:56:41.880 bit.
00:56:42.140 We have now a generation and a half of university students who have been, in my view,
00:56:49.460 brainwashed into leftist militancy.
00:56:52.420 And they have no moral compass, and they have no moral foundation for anything.
00:57:00.380 And because they've been radicalized, it's very easy for them to be directed into the
00:57:07.020 cause of the day.
00:57:08.740 And within that, you have a context of decades now of Palestinian nationalist propaganda in
00:57:19.080 the West being extremely effective, not only in the media, but also through the academy.
00:57:24.280 And it's merging and incorporating with various critical race theories and decolonization
00:57:30.300 theories.
00:57:31.680 And this is the cause that has been able to bring people out in ways we haven't seen since
00:57:38.380 2020 George Floyd-inspired riots.
00:57:42.820 And in fact, it's often the same people who were involved then who are now taking to the
00:57:49.320 streets with the goal to destabilize America, to pressure our politicians to turn our backs
00:57:59.040 on our friends and allies internationally.
00:58:01.020 And it's a scary time because I think, I mean, we just, I'm speaking to you a day after a Jewish 1.00
00:58:12.400 man was killed in a homicide related to a Palestine protest in Southern California.
00:58:21.020 So, you know, these are not just peaceful protests that are happening.
00:58:25.240 You have extremist rhetoric.
00:58:26.540 You have people calling for terrorism.
00:58:28.320 You have people praising terrorism.
00:58:29.560 You have coalitions of people that is being built who have already shown themselves to
00:58:36.160 be extremely radical and supportive of the use of terrorism as a tactic.
00:58:43.040 Well, that's the thing.
00:58:44.180 It's not just, it's not like this thing broke out two months ago before October 7th.
00:58:48.700 And we're just right back in the middle of the Israel-Palestinian conflict that we've been
00:58:52.980 arguing over for decades.
00:58:54.680 They're out there chanting death to Israel and to wipe Israel off the face of the map.
00:59:00.200 Effectively, that's what from the river to the sea means right after this civilian torture 0.53
00:59:05.780 and mass murder happened of the Israelis.
00:59:08.260 I mean, so why wouldn't you be afraid?
00:59:10.360 Why wouldn't you look at this group and say, what exactly is that they support?
00:59:14.240 And am I safe?
00:59:15.660 Especially if you're a Jewish person, you got some of this on tape.
00:59:19.280 You've been, I mean, as I mentioned, but you've been great about the reason you got
00:59:22.840 attacked by Antifa was because you kind of embed yourselves within the groups and then
00:59:28.440 you document what they do.
00:59:29.860 And that made you a target and they did get you, but you survived, thank God, and wound
00:59:34.560 up bringing them to court, which is absolutely the way to handle it.
00:59:37.760 So here you are now out in Trafalgar Square, London, documenting some of what's happening
00:59:43.680 there.
00:59:43.920 This is Sot 33. 1.00
00:59:46.760 Israel is a terrorist state. 1.00
00:59:49.860 Terror state. 1.00
00:59:51.720 Terror state.
00:59:53.100 Occupation no more. 1.00
00:59:56.040 Israel is a terrorist state. 0.69
00:59:59.260 And here's a little bit more in Sot 34 as we listen to chants of Allahu Akbar, which 0.94
01:00:05.480 we keep hearing over and over.
01:00:07.520 Same chant they yelled before they took the Twin Towers down and crashed into the Pentagon
01:00:12.320 in those planes in 9-11.
01:00:13.680 So there's been, I think there was just this past Saturday, tens of thousands of protesters
01:00:32.880 showing up at one of these on the streets of London and 29, this is from your article
01:00:38.060 at Human Events, 29 pro-Palestinian rioters were arrested, charges like assaulting police,
01:00:45.000 inciting racial hatred, other racially motivated crimes.
01:00:48.480 When you walk amongst the crowds, Andy, what kind of people are these?
01:00:53.180 You know, I mean, are these professionals?
01:00:55.800 Are they all young college student types?
01:00:57.940 Are these people who clearly have never been to college?
01:01:00.020 Like what, what kind of demographics are you seeing?
01:01:05.780 Primarily young people.
01:01:07.340 You, there are, the majority of them are those of Muslim heritage.
01:01:12.880 Some are practicing, some are not.
01:01:16.300 And then there are white leftists who are there too in a smaller amount.
01:01:22.240 And I'm really glad that you played the video of the Allahu Akbar chants because that, that
01:01:28.540 has been one of the rallying cries.
01:01:30.000 And it's, um, I don't think I can overstate how provocative of a chant it is because on the
01:01:39.300 surface, Allahu Akbar is something that is chanted, um, during the daily prayers for Muslims,
01:01:44.460 but these people are not doing it with, um, uh, during, during the prayer, uh, for the day
01:01:51.440 on, on, um, on the carpet, on a, on a rug.
01:01:55.360 And I think they're doing it in the context of, as a political statement, echoing and mirroring
01:02:03.420 the chants of what Hamas did as they were carrying out atrocities on video and, um, slaughtering
01:02:09.960 people and defiling the bodies.
01:02:13.360 And, uh, unfortunately we in the West just sort of expect this as a normal occurrence at
01:02:20.860 these demonstrations.
01:02:21.680 But I think it, it, it demonstrates to me that within certain, um, immigrant communities
01:02:28.620 or those of heritage in the Middle East or of Muslim background, that there's, there's
01:02:34.240 a particular, uh, racial and or religious solidarity that they have with, um, their brothers and
01:02:41.380 sisters and using their language in, in the Palestinian territories in a way that I think
01:02:45.680 the normie white American or white British doesn't really understand.
01:02:49.800 You, you have to be on the ground to see the dedication that these people have.
01:02:54.800 And, um, the fact that it is coupled often with, um, either support for violence or incitement
01:03:01.940 to violence or actual violence.
01:03:04.000 Um, this is a powder keg.
01:03:07.320 Um, and it's, it's actually really terrifying, I think for, for, for not, for the future and
01:03:13.300 in, in the current reality for Europe.
01:03:16.220 Yeah.
01:03:16.520 Well, I mean, we were talking in our last segment about the pro-Israel rally that happened in
01:03:21.080 New York last night.
01:03:22.780 Very different scene.
01:03:23.860 Now, 29 people were not arrested and accused of racial hate and assaulting police officers.
01:03:29.180 Here's what that looked like.
01:03:30.100 Let's rock New York City.
01:03:42.020 I said one last time.
01:03:49.100 So everybody can hear us.
01:03:51.260 My friend was there.
01:04:03.380 She said it was absolutely beautiful.
01:04:04.900 They stood quietly.
01:04:06.180 They were singing songs.
01:04:07.680 They waved Israeli flags.
01:04:09.860 That's it.
01:04:10.700 Uh, you know, weirdly, no assaulting police officer, inciting racial hatred and other racially
01:04:15.700 motivated crimes that that did not happen.
01:04:18.040 No one was, as they were in London, arrested on suspicion of breaching the terrorism act.
01:04:23.100 Um, and on and on the descriptions go.
01:04:25.380 It's just, you know, ABC news can try to describe and dismiss these pro-Palestinian protests as
01:04:31.960 quote, passionate protests, as we saw from their chief White House correspondent after they
01:04:37.420 were putting fake blood all over the White House gates the other day.
01:04:40.860 Um, that's, that's what a passionate protest looks like with the Israelis there. 0.79
01:04:44.660 It was more of a vigil in honor of the dead, in honor of an ally of the West's of America's
01:04:51.040 that's fighting for its very existence right now.
01:04:53.820 I want to turn the page, Andy, because you, you've been involved in a lot of, a lot of
01:04:57.560 news and it's a story that we didn't get to yesterday because we were just doing too
01:05:01.360 many other things.
01:05:01.900 But I want to talk about the manifesto out of Nashville.
01:05:03.980 Um, Stephen Crowder broke this news.
01:05:07.640 He's been on the program many times and he got his hands on three pages of the manifesto
01:05:13.900 that was written by the shooter in this Nashville shooting that happened in February of this year.
01:05:20.640 Uh, it's a woman, a young woman who claims she's a trans male. 0.52
01:05:25.560 She was sort of trying, you know, posing as a male, um, but biologically female. 0.94
01:05:30.360 And she shot up a school killing, um, six individuals, including children.
01:05:35.440 And she died as well.
01:05:37.260 Now, all this time later, we're going on a year later, they have not released the manifesto.
01:05:43.120 And this is very unusual.
01:05:44.580 I do not remember another case in which this has happened as disturbing as it might be.
01:05:49.580 And as they always are, they're always deranged rantings, um, they release them because the
01:05:56.100 public has a right to know they can be understood.
01:05:58.880 They can provide a window into usually madness, um, and potentially motivation.
01:06:05.360 Not in this case in Nashville, the FBI has kept it.
01:06:09.060 The local authorities have kept it.
01:06:10.440 No one's leaked it.
01:06:11.560 And they just keep saying whatever's in there is so horrific that we can't release it.
01:06:16.360 It's, and you know, all along, it just makes you say, well, what is so awful that we can't
01:06:20.620 see it?
01:06:20.940 Like they're all awful.
01:06:22.480 No one, no mass shooters manifesto is a nice read.
01:06:25.660 So what is it that's so in any event, what appears to have happened is, and I haven't
01:06:30.560 talked to Steve and I haven't seen his whole presentation, but someone they it's believed
01:06:34.700 to be, and he didn't give up the source.
01:06:36.260 It's believed to be in local law enforcement who got fed up with this hiding of the manifesto
01:06:41.340 released three pages of it to him.
01:06:43.040 I understand you've now seen it as well through Steven and some pages have been, he's posted
01:06:49.520 though.
01:06:49.800 YouTube has banned them.
01:06:51.060 So what have they revealed to you?
01:06:55.020 So, um, when I, uh, spoke with my contacts at, um, uh, Steven Crowder show, I did inquire
01:07:02.520 how did they receive these documents?
01:07:04.520 And their quote to me was, uh, from a source close with law enforcement.
01:07:08.740 So I do, I, I'm of the view that the public has a right to know what this, um, mass school
01:07:17.240 shooter wrote and did in the days and hours leading up, um, to the horrific actions in,
01:07:24.140 in March of this year, there have been some family members of the victims who have stated
01:07:29.080 publicly that they did not want this release.
01:07:31.180 Um, I, I, I hear them, I listen to them, but I, I think it's in the public interest to
01:07:36.880 know.
01:07:37.140 We don't have the full writings from this notebook.
01:07:40.560 Uh, there have been only three pages released, um, through Steven Crowder.
01:07:45.140 Um, but what they do show is, um, there is a, a pathological grievance ideology that is
01:07:54.720 running through some of the, uh, screeds through these pages, um, a hatred of white people, a
01:08:01.140 resentment against, uh, their perceived wealth and the privileges they have. 0.62
01:08:06.500 Some, and I mean, these are hateful ramblings, um, against children.
01:08:12.760 And I, I think one thing that, uh, one of the pages that was, uh, really chilling and
01:08:19.040 disturbing to me was, um, like this, as the shooter wrote out a schedule for the day and
01:08:25.700 it was so, uh, the way they did it was so calm in that, uh, early in the morning, there's
01:08:31.260 breakfast and then there's time for lunch.
01:08:33.200 And then there's time to take care of stuffed animals and belongings.
01:08:37.240 And then down, as you go further down, that there's a time for, uh, going to the covenant
01:08:42.740 school.
01:08:43.460 And so this person, um, was clearly very committed to it.
01:08:48.740 And viewed it, I don't know if this person even realized that this was, uh, that they
01:08:54.100 were planning terrorist attack.
01:08:55.220 It was like just another thing to do on the day.
01:08:58.100 And, um, she, she seemed joyful about it.
01:09:00.980 She seemed very happy about it.
01:09:03.420 Very much looking forward to it. 0.98
01:09:05.120 It was absolutely disgusting.
01:09:07.640 And this is a person, we don't know what her story was, whether she was on cross gender
01:09:11.520 hormones or some sort of medications to assist with a transition.
01:09:14.560 Um, those can include testosterone, which does, you know, sometimes extreme things to
01:09:21.040 a woman, but she was clearly a mental health patient on top of all of that, not blaming
01:09:25.480 it on testosterone, just saying this would be the kind of thing the media would normally
01:09:28.620 be exploring, but because you're not allowed to try to touch trans ideology as having had
01:09:34.100 anything to do with this, we don't touch it.
01:09:36.240 And you and I both know, you know, especially Andy, having covered all the things you have,
01:09:41.600 if this were a white guy wearing a MAGA hat who went in and shot up, God forbid, a school 0.91
01:09:47.400 with a bunch of black children, this manifesto would have been released long ago. 1.00
01:09:52.420 But what we appear to have here is a female to male trans person who wrote openly about 0.99
01:09:59.460 her desire to kill crackers, white privileged, quote, crackers at a quote, private fancy school. 0.73
01:10:07.120 And that does not line up with any narrative of the left or the media, which is the same 0.98
01:10:13.480 thing.
01:10:14.280 And in this case, law enforcement seems to be cooperating with that narrative too, because
01:10:18.440 they, they buried it.
01:10:19.800 Yeah, and another curious thing is that there was a lot of homophobic slurs written through
01:10:26.220 these pages.
01:10:27.260 Some people are wondering, why would an LGBTQ plus person say those type of slurs against
01:10:34.240 homosexuals?
01:10:35.420 Well, as others have pointed out before, and this is speculation, but it's, it's something
01:10:40.220 I think it's analysis of words that is worth considering is that some people who are homosexual
01:10:47.360 and transition to what they think is the opposite gender do it out of the inability to cope with
01:10:53.300 being gay. 0.86
01:10:55.100 And we do know that, um, this mass shooter before having a trans identity was lesbian. 0.91
01:11:01.260 So that's something to consider.
01:11:03.040 And I think discuss, um, and yeah, it just looks very much if you look, and I'm not going
01:11:10.580 to put it up on the board, but it looks very much like quotations out of, uh, a women's
01:11:16.340 or ethnic studies class at Yale, all the quotations that this shooter puts in the manifesto, you
01:11:23.480 know, what's motivating her, how she thinks about the children at this school.
01:11:28.280 And my heart goes out to the parents.
01:11:30.420 I, no one has any desire to cause them any more pain.
01:11:33.900 It seems like you'd already have achieved the maximum pain possible for a human.
01:11:38.640 If this happened to your child, but we do need to understand exactly what infected this
01:11:45.360 person's mind.
01:11:46.160 It is to the benefit of society to understand to the best we can.
01:11:49.920 I mean, to the extent any of these things can be understood and it is not for the FBI
01:11:53.800 to protect us from the horrors of this writing.
01:11:57.620 That's, and, and honestly, like if the New York times got its hands on this, I believe
01:12:02.280 it probably would have published it.
01:12:03.380 If, if it had been leaked to them, I think they would have probably would have gone, would
01:12:06.740 have gone against their narrative too.
01:12:08.360 But Steven did what any journalist would do, which is if you get your hands on a leak like
01:12:12.280 this, you publish it.
01:12:13.180 The only way you don't publish it is if it's, is if you've stolen it, if you've been the product
01:12:17.060 of stealing, you know, you've been the thief, then you shouldn't.
01:12:19.580 But as a journalist, if you receive this, this is newsworthy and you publish it and it shame
01:12:24.280 on you YouTube for taking it down.
01:12:26.540 That's, it's not appropriate.
01:12:27.860 They publish it over on rumble and good for rumble, but same thing.
01:12:31.500 This is newsworthy.
01:12:32.640 And actually the study of it could actually potentially lead to our ability to understand
01:12:37.600 and hopefully prevent another one of these things.
01:12:40.700 How dare any of these people tell us we don't get to know?
01:12:43.120 Yes, we do get to know.
01:12:44.060 We have children.
01:12:45.080 We, we participate in the society and who the hell is the YouTube executive deciding to
01:12:49.660 protect us in her judgment or his?
01:12:52.100 No, you don't have the expertise.
01:12:53.760 You don't have the background.
01:12:55.040 We'll figure that out for ourselves.
01:12:56.960 It's infuriating, Andy.
01:12:59.120 I also think people need to remember that in the immediate hours and days after the mass
01:13:04.080 shooting in Nashville in March, there were radical trans activists who occupied various
01:13:10.440 state capital buildings, including in Nashville, demanding trans rights and a list of other things.
01:13:16.820 And one video that I remember then seeing is that in Nashville, I think this was the day after the mass
01:13:27.140 shooting there, there was a moment of silence that the trans activists held for the victims of the school
01:13:34.980 shooting, but they held up seven fingers. 0.94
01:13:37.320 And that's very curious because the mass shooter killed six, including three children.
01:13:43.060 And they included the killer as one of the victims.
01:13:48.340 And that is in line with some-
01:13:49.880 Actually, we have that.
01:13:50.060 This is from, this is from, I think from you, but we have that.
01:13:53.140 Let's show it.
01:13:53.800 It's top 31.
01:13:54.380 This is what some people did after the, after the Newtown shooting, the worst mass shooting
01:14:18.440 of all time, not, not in terms of numbers, but in terms of the young, beautiful, beautiful
01:14:22.100 children murdered. Some people were counting the shooter in the death toll. You don't count the
01:14:26.780 shooter in the death toll. Everyone knows that.
01:14:31.080 Yeah. And I, you know, just earlier you were asking, we were discussing what, how could the
01:14:36.960 radical left in America be so openly supportive of terrorism in regards to the Israel and Hamas
01:14:43.020 war? Well, they were supportive domestically of a terrorist shooter who killed children. So,
01:14:49.440 you know, that line has already actually been long, been long crossed. And I, what I'm asking
01:14:57.680 myself is how, how now do we de-radicalize the universities, institutions in the United States?
01:15:04.120 You, the institutions are captured. You have a whole generation and a half of essentially
01:15:09.600 an army that can be mobilized at any time, um, given whatever conflict people want to exploit and
01:15:18.500 get people out on the streets. It's, it's a very bad place for the United States right now.
01:15:23.780 No, the die has been cast and it's very hard to uncast it. I want to update the audience on,
01:15:30.480 um, Paul Kessler, the man who died in Southern California. Andy, you just referred to him.
01:15:34.760 We talked about him in our first hour at this pro-Palestinian and then the counter protesters,
01:15:40.560 pro-Israel protest, uh, that happened. Uh, this is from the sheriff who just held a presser
01:15:44.680 out of Ventura County. The suspect in this case, so they do have one is 50.
01:15:49.020 He was advocating for Palestine. Suspect was identified willingly was identified and willingly
01:15:54.940 remained at the scene was interviewed by deputies. The suspect was cooperative and indicated he was
01:15:59.820 involved with an altercation with Kessler further stated. He was one of the reporting parties who
01:16:04.180 called nine one one requesting medical attention for Kessler. Several witnesses were contacted.
01:16:08.620 Witnesses provided conflicting statements about what the altercation, uh, was and who the aggressor
01:16:14.400 was yesterday. Detectives obtained a search warrant for the suspect, I guess,
01:16:19.020 for his home. The suspect was detained. And until the completion of the search warrant,
01:16:23.040 uh, and he was released at six 15, the sheriff says, I cannot comment on the results of the
01:16:27.420 search warrant. As the investigation is ongoing, suspect has not yet been arrested. No arrests have
01:16:31.560 been made. And the suspect has not yet been publicly identified. The medical examiner reiterates
01:16:36.220 calling it a homicide does not indicate a crime was committed. So it is not yet correct to call it
01:16:42.160 a murder. Lethal impact was to the back of Kessler's head. There were also injuries on the front of his
01:16:49.260 face, which could be consistent with a blow to his face. So there was a killing, but we yet we don't
01:16:55.900 know whether we could call this homicide, whether we can call this murder homicide, though. Yes,
01:17:01.220 that's what he's saying. Uh, his funeral is being held today. So more on that case as we got it. Andy,
01:17:06.280 please stay on all of this. Thank you so much for your brave reporting. It's great to see you again.
01:17:11.540 Thank you for having me on. And we're going to be right back to bring you an update on election day.
01:17:17.360 Do you know today is election day and there are a lot of important things happening, especially down
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01:17:26.960 Mississippi, can a relative of Elvis who happens to be a Democrat on seat, the Republican,
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01:18:38.560 It's election day. You probably noticed from all the annoying signs all over your town
01:18:47.400 and contests in Kentucky, Mississippi, Ohio, and especially Virginia will give us a sneak peek
01:18:53.680 at what to expect for 2024. Joining me now with a preview of the races to watch tonight,
01:18:59.700 Chris Steierwalt. He's a contributing editor for the dispatch and co-host of the podcast,
01:19:04.560 Inc. Stained. Wretches with our pal Eliana Johnson, one half of the EJs. Chris, so great 1.00
01:19:11.280 to have you. You know what I've noticed here in Connecticut? They've gone to just like, you
01:19:16.120 know, Jeb. They're all doing first names now, like the big, all the lawn signs and like,
01:19:20.900 it's like Joe, Maria. Like I, then you got to squint to see the tiny print. Like one was
01:19:27.980 like, keep your taxes low. I'm like, oh good. Who's that? And you could like get your readers
01:19:33.340 on to see like, who, who's, these are not effective signs. In a, in an insensibly childish
01:19:40.400 society, the idea that anyone would be called by their proper name, uh, is now some mark of
01:19:46.500 absolute snobbery. But as you point out, first names are not enough. We're allowed to have our
01:19:51.640 surnames and use them. I encourage people to do so, please. Especially if like your name is Joe,
01:19:56.940 that's not helpful. There's one ticket I've been seeing like DeSantis slash somebody I'm like,
01:20:01.860 all right. So it's not Ron DeSantis. This person's really up against it. Cause you know,
01:20:05.720 like everybody's going to be like DeSantis. Oh, the loves left. I hate him. Forget it. Like
01:20:09.900 if I were that guy, then I would be like, Bob, it's Bob DeSantis. If you know, how far he's fallen
01:20:16.400 from front runner for the presidential nomination to running for town council in Connecticut. It's a
01:20:21.260 real, I mean, it's been, it's been a steep slide, you know, politics one day, the bride,
01:20:26.600 next day, the bridesmaid next day, divorced altogether. Okay. So I think Virginia is probably 0.89
01:20:32.980 the most interesting thing we're watching. Am I wrong? Well, I don't want to be contrary,
01:20:37.980 but, uh, and I'm not normal. I should, I should point out decidedly abnormal when it comes to these
01:20:45.520 things. I get why everybody's paying attention to Virginia because $200 million or so parties have
01:20:52.500 flooded money into Virginia. And because of something that, uh, I like to call the snowmageddon
01:20:59.340 effect. Uh, if it happens near Washington or New York, it gets way more attention than it deserves
01:21:05.800 nationally. So there's a blizzard in the East coast and people in Arizona are like, I don't know, bro,
01:21:10.760 seems, seems okay here. Um, but so, so there is a geographical thing, but there's also the Glenn
01:21:16.360 Youngkin factor and Glenn Youngkin has tantalized his donors by saying, well, I'm not going to make
01:21:23.300 up my mind about whether I'm going to make a late entry into the presidential campaign until we're
01:21:27.840 done with these Virginia midterms. So with all 100 seats in the Virginia house of delegates and all 40
01:21:36.200 seats in the Virginia state Senate, uh, Youngkin has raised a ton of money. He has campaigned vigorously
01:21:42.840 and he is still popular in, uh, Virginia. He is much more popular in Virginia, which is a blue state,
01:21:48.600 uh, than Joe Biden is. And he has staked it all on this run and his backers and the national media,
01:21:55.000 uh, both, uh, are curious to see. So if Youngkin has a big night, if they pick up, so basically the
01:22:01.860 Republicans, uh, Democrats have a narrow majority in the Senate. Republicans have a narrow majority in
01:22:06.420 the house. It's going to come down to five seats basically in, in either chamber. And if Youngkin has
01:22:12.680 a big, big day and the Republicans get unified control, that this could be a launch pad, uh,
01:22:18.900 for a late entry into the Republican nominating process. I care about it because we're going to
01:22:24.940 get a nice core sample of what intense voters, what, what are the, the, cause remember we have
01:22:31.560 to bear in mind for all this conversation. You're looking at half or maybe, uh, maybe two thirds at most
01:22:39.720 of the turnout that you would get in a regular election. So this is, these are low numbers in
01:22:45.500 Pennsylvania. We're probably looking at a third or 40% of, of what you would see. So we're talking
01:22:49.540 about the most engaged, most motivated, most intense voters, which means that they're highly
01:22:54.520 partisan. So what we're going to get to see in Virginia is in the Northern Virginia suburbs of
01:22:59.140 Washington, DC, in the tidewater in Southeastern Virginia and outside of Richmond in the suburbs
01:23:05.000 outside of Richmond, how, and how fired up are Democrats and Republicans. And given how bad the
01:23:10.720 news has been for Joe Biden lately on the 2024 election will be our Democrats divided, uh, are
01:23:17.500 the intense partisans in the democratic party, uh, is there real disaffection there? So we get to see
01:23:22.480 some of that in Virginia. And I mean, now I don't know, I mean, we've talked about this before,
01:23:27.920 including with you at length, but there are reports, uh, like in Forbes that if the Virginia
01:23:35.680 governor is successful in winning control of the Senate and keeping control of the house or improving
01:23:40.520 the Republican margin in the house, Glenn Youngkin does that. Then billionaire supporter, Thomas
01:23:45.720 Peter fee. I don't know him. P D P E T E R F F Y. Is that, is that a name? Peter fee? Anyway,
01:23:53.420 if you've got, if you've got that many billions of dollars, people call you whatever you want.
01:23:57.480 I think that's the rule. Well, he's a billionaire, so he knows something more than you and I do.
01:24:02.700 Likely he told Forbes that if let Youngkin is successful at this, he believes Youngkin will
01:24:08.120 jump into the white house race despite missing some key deadlines, like registering for the New
01:24:12.160 Hampshire primary. And he says he has several tens of other Republican billionaires at the ready
01:24:19.100 quote, I have spoken to Youngkin. I have spoken to many big GOP donors. We are all enthusiastic and
01:24:24.620 waiting for him to win Virginia and enter the race. I have heard that exact same thing myself
01:24:30.060 from a former RNC official who believes that indeed will be the plan. Any thoughts on that at this late
01:24:38.880 stage of the game? I kind of hope for Youngkin that he doesn't have to go through that. Um, uh,
01:24:45.140 he's, he has been surprisingly successful as governor of Virginia. Again, not a Republican
01:24:51.460 state hasn't voted Republican on the presidential level since 2004. Um, and he has managed to both be
01:24:58.220 conservative and popular, uh, which is a trade-off that Republican governors of blue states, uh, uh,
01:25:04.540 a combo they're not often able to do. You can be a liberal Republican in a blue state and be popular.
01:25:09.360 We saw Charlie Baker in Massachusetts and other people do that, but being a conservative,
01:25:14.380 uh, being, being a, being a, being a, being a conservative, what did he call himself?
01:25:19.920 Severely conservative. Mitt Romney would tell you he was severely conservative. Um, but Youngkin,
01:25:24.860 yeah, Youngkin has cast himself and delivered on conservative priorities in Virginia. And he's
01:25:32.120 managed to remain popular because he's been an effective chief executive because what, you know,
01:25:37.040 most people don't care about ideology, persuadable voters care about, are the roads fixed? Uh, are
01:25:42.660 the, are the schools better? Uh, how are the, the quality of life considerations? And Youngkin has
01:25:47.300 managed to remain popular doing that. If he were to say, okay, I'm getting in before he even deals with
01:25:55.660 the question of Donald Trump, he's got to deal with Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley who are getting ready
01:26:00.960 for a death match, right? The two of them are fighting for the same quarter to a third of the
01:26:07.680 Republican electorate that they need to lock down before they can take on Trump. I don't know why
01:26:13.060 it would be true that Glenn Youngkin, if he parachutes and at a late date would be able to
01:26:18.200 make either of them go away. Do you see Ron DeSantis saying, you know what? I had my chance. I already
01:26:24.160 spent that $110 million, but you know what? You go ahead. I don't, I don't think that Kim Reynolds,
01:26:29.840 governor of Iowa is going to say, yep, I'm changing my mind now that you're here. So
01:26:33.820 anything can happen, but I, I, I feel like Youngkin's benefactors are putting pressure on him,
01:26:40.980 uh, that it would be very hard for anybody to live up to.
01:26:44.780 Mm-hmm. Yeah. At this point, I don't think it's going to happen. All right, let's talk about
01:26:48.640 Mississippi next. Cause I just think it's interesting. There's a guy related to Elvis.
01:26:52.240 He's a dem. He's trying to unseat a semi-popular Republican governor, um, named Tate Reeves.
01:26:59.140 He's the incumbent, but you know, it's bad to be in Mississippi and have Elvis's relative
01:27:03.860 challenging you. Um, however, Mississippi is very, very red and the challenger is very,
01:27:09.180 very blue or at least blue. And so this race, I guess is tighter than the Republicans would like.
01:27:15.200 The Democrats seem to be very excited at the prospect of a blue state. I mean, a red state
01:27:19.980 governor with a blue, you know what I'm trying to say. So is it likely to happen?
01:27:24.300 No. Um, we, we remember, uh, Doug Jones won the Senate seat for an unexpired term,
01:27:32.380 uh, Jeff Sessions, unexpired term in neighboring Alabama. Uh, and it was a big deal. A moderate
01:27:38.540 Democrat won in Alabama. Wow. Well, what does it take to get that? It takes Roy Moore, uh, is what
01:27:45.040 it takes. It takes somebody who was being accused by a lot of women of some really deplorable kind of
01:27:51.680 behavior and a guy who was very radical. Tate Reeves, the governor of Mississippi is not Roy
01:27:56.760 Moore. He's not super popular. Uh, that's true. And he does have that weird scandal. So he, I don't
01:28:04.300 know that he's been accused of any wrongdoing, but he was in the administration, uh, as Lieutenant
01:28:08.540 governor. I don't know if you remember the Brett Favre scandal, which was a welfare scam.
01:28:13.620 Um, okay. So Reeves has, uh, the, the Democrat Presley has zeroed in on this as a corruption
01:28:21.180 election. Presley is running. He says, you know, I'm pro-life, I'm pro-gun. I want to cut your taxes.
01:28:26.700 Uh, but Tate Reeves is corrupt and we've got to get him out as basically the argument.
01:28:32.180 Could it work? Maybe, but the Republicans, uh, look at next door in Louisiana. So Louisiana has a 0.81
01:28:40.500 jungle primary system, which means if you get more than it's an open primary, all parties go in the
01:28:46.800 same primary. If you get more than 50% of the vote in the primary, then you don't have to have the
01:28:53.260 general election. You just declare it over there. And a Republican in a crowded field of Republicans,
01:28:59.240 one next door in Louisiana, which is more democratic than Mississippi. Uh, I understand why this is an
01:29:05.560 appealing story for Democrats. And I understand why it's an appealing media story because you've got an
01:29:10.220 Elvis Presley cousin, uh, the most famous son of Mississippi, his cousin running. I get it,
01:29:16.480 but the odds here are very long. Mississippi is an extraordinarily Republican state. And this is,
01:29:22.700 uh, could they sneak by in a low? Yeah. So here's, here's the, the, the Presley. Okay. His name is
01:29:28.920 Brandon Presley. The problem is he doesn't look anything like Elvis. If he could look a little bit
01:29:34.380 more like Elvis, I'd like his chances better. His, his granddad and Elvis's granddad were
01:29:40.100 brothers. There must've been an age span there between the two of them, but that's the relation
01:29:44.380 there, I guess, second cousins. I don't know. I see no resemblance and that's not going to
01:29:49.280 inure to his benefit. You can finish your thought. Well, he needs the lip. He just needs the,
01:29:53.800 the Elvis lip curl, maybe, maybe plastic surgery if he wants to run again, but no,
01:29:58.560 it's would be extraordinarily long odds, just given the partisan nature. And also how much
01:30:03.620 Republicans hate Democrats right now, how, how upset Republicans are. I don't think they're
01:30:08.760 feeling cool about it. Yeah. Uh, he can't sing as far as I know. Okay. So let's talk about
01:30:14.140 Kentucky. I was excited about Kentucky. I love Daniel Cameron. I just think he's a rising star,
01:30:19.160 a good guy. He came on the show, like one of our first episodes very early on before we even had
01:30:22.780 video. And, uh, he was the AG in Kentucky. And I remember saying, you're going to be governor.
01:30:29.020 And, uh, I wasn't alone in my prediction. It wasn't anything special. I just wanted to note that
01:30:33.600 for the record. In any event, here he is running for governor. And yet I wouldn't say he's favored.
01:30:40.840 Um, what do you think is likely to happen in the Kentucky governor's race where the incumbent
01:30:45.000 is pretty popular and Daniel Cameron, the Republican challenger, um, seems to have an
01:30:51.440 uphill battle. If you look at the polls. I mean, I, I, I would rate this one a toss up basically. Uh,
01:30:57.920 Kentucky is a, is a very Republican state on the federal level. Um, but it is, uh, schizophrenic
01:31:05.280 on the state level. Kentucky has traded the governorship between parties four times, uh,
01:31:11.200 this century. So Kentucky has basically been a reliable Republican state on the federal level
01:31:15.440 since 2000. But in that time, they've toggled back and forth between the parties, uh, four times
01:31:21.780 and twice have there been Republican governors who were both defeated after one term. Um,
01:31:27.920 uh, Bashir, the democratic incumbent is very moderate. He's very Kentucky, uh, and he's really
01:31:35.040 focused on the sort of pragmatic. He, he would be the democratic doppelganger in a lot of ways to
01:31:40.880 Yunkin. He's in the wrong state on the presidential level, but keeps the focuses on quality of life
01:31:46.780 issues and, and that kind of stuff. Daniel Cameron represents a fusion that Republicans have been
01:31:53.220 looking for for a long time. Here's a guy who can appeal to the MAGA movement and can talk about
01:32:01.180 those issues and engage on those issues, but he is a protege of Mitch McConnell. This is what,
01:32:06.260 this is what Republicans have been looking for. Somebody that both sort of the MAGA populist wing
01:32:12.120 of the party and the traditional conservative wing of the party where they can unite. Uh, that makes
01:32:17.840 Cameron very potent. Now, the problem that Cameron has is that turnout in Kentucky will, so here's a
01:32:25.440 good rule of thumb. The richer you are, the more likely you are to vote. Uh, the electorate skews the,
01:32:31.920 um, middle-class and upper middle-class people are disproportionately represented in the electorate
01:32:37.940 because they have a higher voting propensity. There's a lot of reasons for that, but basically
01:32:41.480 the electorate is more educated and wealthier than the nation as a whole. Um, now what that means
01:32:48.860 though, is that when you have an off year election like this, who's the 40% of the Kentucky electorate
01:32:54.200 that's not showing up. Now, some of those people, Kentucky's, uh, is basically, uh, three quarters
01:32:59.940 of Kentucky is a very rural state, highly Republican. And one quarter of the state is Louisville and
01:33:06.520 Louisville is a diverse, uh, and, uh, they're highly educated affluent suburbs. There's a
01:33:13.980 ethnically diverse, uh, urban core. It's a democratic city. So basically it goes like this
01:33:20.220 of the 40% of the people who will turn out in 2024, but who don't turn out this year, who are they
01:33:26.060 mostly? And a lot of those folks are from Eastern Kentucky, rural Kentucky who are big time Trump
01:33:32.120 voters, right? They're big time mega mega there that that's where they are. But what Cameron has
01:33:38.520 been trying to do is basically nationalize the election and say to those voters, I know you don't
01:33:43.640 usually come out in races like these, but I really need you because we have to send a message to Joe
01:33:48.060 Biden. So what Cameron has had to say about the sheer is basically Biden, whatever the question
01:33:53.300 Cameron's answer is it's Joe Biden. You're just like Joe Biden. You're just like Joe Biden. So that's
01:33:58.160 what he's trying to do. Um, he needs to change basically the shape of the electorate, but that
01:34:03.200 really could happen when passions are running as high as they are in Republicans or as fired up as
01:34:07.480 they are. I mean, he really is a rising star on the Republican party. He took so much flack for the
01:34:13.840 Brianna, um, Taylor case where he was the AG who was in front of that grand jury and did not feel that
01:34:21.140 they should indict those police officers. And then the grand jury blamed him and he was stood all of that
01:34:26.800 and stood on principle and said, I don't think the law supports charges against those officers.
01:34:30.940 And now here he is seeking higher office, very popular. Um, this is something interesting about
01:34:36.260 the race. The, uh, David Axelrod, of course, former chief strategist for Obama told political
01:34:42.600 if Bashir wins the Democrat, he instantly will become part of the 2028 discussion, a young charismatic
01:34:49.300 Democrat who won twice in a deep red state. There will be a great deal of chatter. So the stakes are
01:34:56.040 significant on both sides. We'll watch that one tomorrow. Kentucky governor got to spend one
01:35:00.420 minute on Bridgeport, Connecticut. Did you see the hot mess that was the voting situation in the
01:35:05.120 mayoral primary, the Democrat, the incumbent. Oh, I love this. This is okay. So the, the incumbent
01:35:11.400 Democrat mayor, uh, was running to keep the nomination on the, on the primary side. And he had
01:35:16.880 another Democrat coming for his, his position and he was winning. No, the challenger was winning in the
01:35:23.440 day of vote. And the incumbent said, you just wait until the absentee ballots come in. You just wait,
01:35:28.980 Mr. Challenger. I'm feeling good about how I'll do. Well, they came in and he won, I think it was
01:35:33.980 like an 8,000, uh, votes and he won by 200 thanks to the absentee ballots. Well, the challenger started
01:35:41.480 to go around and kick the tires a little bit on this win. And they found that certain of the ballot
01:35:47.360 boxes had way more absentee ballots than was normal for any of these jurisdictions. And then they pulled
01:35:54.980 the security tapes on those ballot boxes and they saw this democratic city council woman and another 0.89
01:36:03.300 local representative representative. I'm showing it to you. Here she is stuffing, stuffing ballot after 1.00
01:36:11.520 ballot in their style while she was so happy to help the incumbent mayor keep the primary nod. And, um,
01:36:20.140 the, a judge took a look at all that. She went back four or five times. This woman did the same thing 0.99
01:36:24.720 stuff and they put her on the stand because the challenger filed a lawsuit saying, this is all 1.00
01:36:29.580 bullshit. You got to throw out this win. And they put her on the stand and she pleaded the fifth 71 times. 0.99
01:36:34.280 Okay. So what happened? So here's the craziness. So the judge said, we cannot possibly let this
01:36:46.620 primary victory of the incumbent mayor stand. This is bullshit, but I can't just declare the other guy, 0.99
01:36:51.940 the winner. So we have to redo the primary vote. We have to redo the primary vote. But that was just 0.99
01:36:57.500 last Wednesday. The, the general is today. There wasn't enough time to redo a primary before the
01:37:04.540 general. So the way he did it was the incumbent mayor is going to be listed on the ballot as the
01:37:08.840 dem. The challenger is going to be listed on the ballot as the independent. And then there's a
01:37:14.560 Republican who's not going to win. So here's the deal. What a rip off. If the incumbent mayor wins as
01:37:22.160 the dem, then they're going to go back and redo the primary. It won't be certified. So the challenger
01:37:28.440 could win. He could win. He could win. The Republicans are not going to win in Bridgeport,
01:37:33.280 Connecticut. But anyway, that's one of the many races I'm watching. It's just, I love when people's 0.99
01:37:38.080 bad behavior is caught on camera. It's the best, right? That's fabulous. I love local politics because
01:37:43.360 it's so awful. It's just the, the it's like the old joke about faculty Senate. What, you know,
01:37:50.580 why, why are people so awful? Because the stakes are so low and the, the, the lengths that people
01:37:55.480 will stoop to in local politics is just really human nature, never change. It really is. It
01:38:02.940 reminds me of my, one of my favorite sayings too, is, um, you know, we got a summer house in New Jersey
01:38:08.240 and one time we were driving down there and we saw all those terrible power plants in Newark, you know,
01:38:13.320 it kind of starts to smell bad and it looks bad and you look at it. And I, one time I looked up,
01:38:17.380 what are these power plants? What is that thing? And it led to this whole conversation online that
01:38:21.800 I checked in on, like, what did they say? And the one person wrote in where, where do all the
01:38:27.240 terrible things about New Jersey come from? And somebody responded from people who have been
01:38:31.780 there. Oh, that's mean. That's mean. I'm allowed to say it. I cause I own property there. Doug jokes.
01:38:41.480 That's the only reason that we did that. Cause so I can exactly. So you could have the Jersey.
01:38:45.480 Love you. You ink stained wretch. Happy to be here. Good luck on election night. Stay out of
01:38:53.580 trouble. Thank you. I'll do my best. You too. Uh, we will be watching tonight. We'll bring you the
01:38:59.660 latest tomorrow and tomorrow we'll have Stuber gear and Dave Marcus, a fun pairing. Those guys are
01:39:04.500 always great. And they'll bring you the full rundown of what happened. Thanks for listening
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