The Megyn Kelly Show - Jews Shelter From NYC Anti-Israel Protesters, and Biden's Middle East Failures, with the Fifth Column Hosts

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00:00:31.260 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.580 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.680 My God, this news cycle is showing no signs of slowing down from the situation in Israel

00:00:49.860 to the anti-Semitism rampant here at home, political insanity,

00:00:54.160 and now another mass shooting.

00:00:57.660 It's unbelievable.

00:00:59.060 Our goal is to bring you the news, whatever it may be, and that we will do today.

00:01:03.520 First, a manhunt is underway right now.

00:01:05.980 Schools and businesses are closed.

00:01:08.220 People are being told to shelter in place in the area

00:01:11.060 after a lunatic opened fire on a restaurant and a bowling alley in Lewiston, Maine, last night.

00:01:17.960 That's Maine's second largest city, we're told.

00:01:20.620 18 people are dead, more are hurt, the numbers are still coming in.

00:01:25.640 Think about it, 18 people are dead.

00:01:27.320 This is unfathomable for a state where 29 people were murdered in the entirety of 2022.

00:01:34.180 The person of interest in this case, and we will name him because there is a manhunt underway,

00:01:38.560 normally we do not name mass shooters on this show, is 40-year-old Robert Card.

00:01:43.980 He is said to be a certified firearms instructor and reportedly a member of the U.S. Army Reserve.

00:01:49.560 It's also been reported that he recently made threats to carry out a shooting at a National Guard facility,

00:01:56.560 and this guy had documented mental health issues.

00:02:00.740 Just a short time ago, law enforcement gave an update and issued warnings to the public as follows.

00:02:05.880 Our reality for today is that this suspect is still that large,

00:02:09.760 and we want to provide community support for the victims, for the families, and the communities across the state.

00:02:18.520 But we also have an incredibly strong laser-like focus on bringing this suspect into custody and ultimately to justice.

00:02:26.900 I do ask the public to continue to be mindful of their own personal safety.

00:02:31.400 He should be considered armed and dangerous.

00:02:34.360 Based on our investigation, we believe this is someone that should not be approached.

00:02:38.620 Police say the first calls for help came in just before 7 p.m. yesterday evening

00:02:43.180 when the gunman unleashed hell on unsuspecting families at a bowling alley.

00:02:48.200 Reports indicate it was youth night.

00:02:51.200 Look at these pictures.

00:02:53.000 This is a photo of him taken from a surveillance camera put out by cops.

00:02:56.300 This looks absolutely terrifying, you guys.

00:03:01.100 If you're not watching this on YouTube, please go back later.

00:03:04.320 It's, I can't imagine seeing this come at you.

00:03:08.620 I cannot imagine seeing this come at you.

00:03:11.540 And you would be so thankful if you happened to be armed yourself.

00:03:15.600 It would be the only way to actually feel like you could live through this man coming into your bowling alley on youth night.

00:03:24.760 The shots sending people running for their lives.

00:03:28.680 You see here an older man running with a small child.

00:03:33.920 Inside, people used anything and everything to block themselves from the bullets.

00:03:38.280 Listen as one man named Brandon describes what he did.

00:03:41.620 Snowman might have bowling and out of nowhere, he just came in and there was a loud pop.

00:03:48.220 I thought it was a balloon.

00:03:49.140 I had my back turned to the door.

00:03:52.280 And as soon as I turned and saw that it was not a balloon, he was holding a weapon.

00:03:56.040 I just booked it down the lane and I slid basically into where the pins are and climbed up in the machine

00:04:02.680 and was on top of the machines for about 10 minutes until the cops got there.

00:04:06.140 You know, I'm just a ball by myself and yeah, I wasn't even there 10 minutes.

00:04:11.620 Imagine it.

00:04:15.160 One little girl named Zoe was grazed by a bullet.

00:04:18.960 She spoke to affiliate WMTW.

00:04:21.260 She's not on camera, but listen to her words.

00:04:24.080 I mean, it's scary.

00:04:27.680 I never thought I'd grow up and get a bullet in my leg.

00:04:32.360 And it's just like, why?

00:04:35.320 Like, why do people do this?

00:04:37.200 Like, I don't really know what to say.

00:04:42.000 Like, I just never thought someone would walk in and just start shooting and taking people's lives away.

00:04:48.840 People have families and they're young people who still have long lives ahead of them.

00:04:57.320 And people shouldn't be coming in and doing that.

00:05:00.760 That's not okay.

00:05:01.860 Sweet girl.

00:05:08.900 We, I'm 40 years older than this little girl and I don't have any better answers than she does.

00:05:15.120 Do you?

00:05:15.380 We go through this so often.

00:05:18.600 We live in a free country.

00:05:19.660 There are 330 million people.

00:05:21.420 It's very hard to stop a lunatic from doing something like this.

00:05:26.480 Though, in this case, he was a designated mental health risk.

00:05:31.780 And we'll get into the facts on that in a minute.

00:05:34.080 Poor girl.

00:05:34.660 Thank God she's okay.

00:05:36.520 18 others are not.

00:05:38.180 13 wounded in addition.

00:05:39.440 The gunman then opened fire on a nearby bar and restaurant.

00:05:44.080 He went to two different locations, as I mentioned.

00:05:46.000 A Facebook post now on the restaurant's page saying, quote,

00:05:50.020 how can we make any sense of this?

00:05:52.640 We can't.

00:05:53.760 We can't.

00:05:55.100 We can't.

00:05:56.180 There's no sense to be made.

00:05:57.520 How many of these do we have to suffer?

00:05:59.320 Do we have to leave the United States?

00:06:01.560 Getting the guns isn't going to do it.

00:06:03.020 We won't crack down on civil liberties of potential shooters.

00:06:06.240 We just have to live with it.

00:06:07.640 Zoe.

00:06:07.960 At the same time, we're also following a terrifying story, less terrifying, but also really disturbing

00:06:15.820 in its own way, that happened to several Jewish students at Cooper Union College in New York

00:06:22.660 City.

00:06:23.340 Now, this is a big college popular for the sciences.

00:06:26.920 According to the students, they were forced to hide in the university's library after anti-Israel

00:06:33.200 protesters entered the college to head toward the president's office to make demands.

00:06:38.700 They wanted her to issue some sort of a statement.

00:06:40.980 They didn't like her statement that condemned the Hamas terrorists.

00:06:44.120 They wanted her to do better.

00:06:45.960 Well, it seems like they thought the president's statements weren't the only thing they were

00:06:48.900 upset with.

00:06:49.560 Because according to a New York City councilwoman, classes were canceled, students were encouraged

00:06:56.220 to participate in this protest.

00:06:58.640 And if they did, they would get extra credit, of course.

00:07:02.220 And what they really wanted to talk about wasn't exactly, as it turns out, the president's

00:07:06.020 statement, but those annoying Jews hiding in the library.

00:07:10.900 Here's the moment the protesters decided to storm past a security guard who screamed at

00:07:15.980 them, no, the protesters, for some reason, made a detour to the library and began violently

00:07:35.260 banging on the doors to the library inside the library, several Jewish students.

00:07:45.980 Think about it.

00:07:48.120 Listen to that.

00:07:48.860 Those bangs are them banging on the locked door.

00:07:52.460 The librarians lock the door.

00:07:54.400 And these lunatics are outside banging on it, trying to get in at those Jews, all the

00:07:59.020 Jews inside.

00:08:00.120 That's how they think of them, those Jews.

00:08:02.420 We've seen these signs after sign saying, take out the trash, throwing Israeli flags in

00:08:08.400 those dirty Jews.

00:08:09.460 This is disgusting.

00:08:11.260 It's disgusting.

00:08:12.480 They're disgusting.

00:08:13.240 According to the New York City Councilwoman, while the Jewish students stayed inside the

00:08:18.560 library, the president of the school, she hightailed it out the back of the building

00:08:22.700 through a safe backdoor exit, escorted by campus security.

00:08:26.700 What a coward.

00:08:27.700 You're a coward, madam.

00:08:29.500 She said the students told her they were terrified, this is the councilwoman, and believed that they

00:08:34.140 could be, might be, physically assaulted and injured if that door got opened.

00:08:39.580 Despite all that, no arrests have been made.

00:08:41.340 No statement from the school, apparently no discipline whatsoever.

00:08:45.080 The president's safe, though.

00:08:46.080 Don't worry.

00:08:46.440 She's good.

00:08:47.640 If all that's not enough, we're now learning that President Biden's primetime speech that

00:08:52.200 he delivered from the Oval Office last week, where he took the time, remember, to chastise

00:08:56.540 Americans about Islamophobia, which was weird.

00:08:59.460 We talked about this on the show.

00:09:01.120 It was like, wait a minute.

00:09:01.960 There are 1,500 dead Israelis at the hands of Hamas.

00:09:07.620 That's the story.

00:09:08.540 Why are you talking about Islamophobia?

00:09:10.120 All he came up with was this one horrific case, but it was clearly at the hands of a lunatic

00:09:14.420 in Chicago or in Illinois who murdered a young boy, citing his own Islamophobia in the process.

00:09:21.560 That was one, one instance that was terrible, condemned by all sides, and he elevated that

00:09:29.400 one incident as like a, you know, both sides do it in his speech about what happened by Hamas to

00:09:37.020 Israel.

00:09:37.600 It was inappropriate.

00:09:38.660 And now we know, most likely, why that reference was in there, because he was meeting, he sent

00:09:45.600 his chief speech writer to meet with and receive the approval of, that was the goal, and they

00:09:51.280 got it, Arab and Muslim officials, before it was delivered.

00:09:56.520 So they had to make sure they were going to have some Muslim backlash to their condemnation

00:10:01.740 of the terror attack in Israel.

00:10:03.860 So they went and bent the knee to some Muslim people in the administration, making sure that

00:10:11.100 they would still get the pat on the head they so desire.

00:10:13.900 Joining me now are friends from the fifth column, Matt Welsh, Michael Moynihan, and Camille

00:10:18.140 Foster.

00:10:19.040 Matt's actually going to be here momentarily.

00:10:20.960 He's getting his stuff together.

00:10:22.040 Guys, welcome back to the show.

00:10:25.460 Thanks for having me.

00:10:26.140 There's so much, so much to go over.

00:10:28.440 It's like, I don't even, let's, let's start with the, let's start with the school, with

00:10:32.420 the school shooting, because, um, not school, this time it's not a school, it's bowling alley

00:10:37.340 in a, in a bar and grill.

00:10:39.060 Um, I don't have any answers for Zoe, you know?

00:10:42.700 I mean, what she said is exactly right.

00:10:44.020 This shouldn't happen.

00:10:45.320 This shouldn't happen.

00:10:46.640 But in this guy's case, there was, there were red flags.

00:10:51.220 That's how I'm going to put it.

00:10:52.240 There were red flags.

00:10:52.980 Um, he had been in a mental health facility recently.

00:10:57.900 Uh, he had made threats to carry out a shooting, as we said in the intro, and he reported hearing

00:11:05.220 voices.

00:11:05.700 He had been committed to a mental health facility for two weeks over the summer, but was released.

00:11:13.260 Why?

00:11:13.920 What they concluded, why they thought that he would be okay to walk amongst us.

00:11:19.660 I don't know.

00:11:20.500 It's part of, I'm sure what's going to be the investigation.

00:11:22.800 But in my view, and I've been saying this, you know, after a lot of these shootings,

00:11:27.460 we were very quick to release people like this from these mental health facilities.

00:11:32.280 We don't have the inclination or the funding to keep them or the resources.

00:11:36.940 And in most instances, somebody like this hasn't even been through the system.

00:11:41.320 They just go untreated with mental health issues that a parent would notice or a teacher might

00:11:46.060 notice, but very little is done to stop it.

00:11:48.460 And I realize again, back to the 330 million and it's a free country, but

00:11:52.320 what's going to happen now is look at that gun.

00:11:55.920 That's a big gun.

00:11:57.440 And it's not going to stop the next killer from getting a gun, no matter what we do.

00:12:01.540 And we wind up shrugging our shoulders and saying, oh, and then we move on to the next

00:12:05.980 story.

00:12:07.020 Camille, what do you think of it?

00:12:09.060 Well, you know, Megan, there's a, I have some personal experience with a situation, not

00:12:14.380 exactly like this, but that could have been like this.

00:12:16.780 A close family member of mine who was suffering from some pretty severe mental issues, who

00:12:22.680 managed to get a hold of a gun and having been behaving erratically for some period of

00:12:27.540 time before that was perpetrating unbeknownst to most of our family, well, unbeknownst to

00:12:33.600 anyone in our family, really perpetrating a string of shootings.

00:12:36.980 And there were rumors and some discussion amongst family members as to whether or not he might

00:12:42.680 have been involved.

00:12:44.120 And there is, I think, a rather profound degree of people having an ability to not want to

00:12:50.600 believe that someone in their family might be in a position where they are a threat to

00:12:55.080 other people, a danger to themselves, where you have to ask questions, well, do they even

00:12:59.560 have a handgun?

00:13:00.460 I mean, they're making dangerous threats.

00:13:01.820 They're behaving in violent ways.

00:13:02.860 Could they really do something that dastardly?

00:13:05.920 Yeah, they probably could.

00:13:07.480 And the urgent need for us to do something about our national mental health crisis, but

00:13:12.260 our own inability in many of our own families to actually deal with family members who we

00:13:17.680 know who are in severe distress, who might be a danger to others, I urge you to speak

00:13:23.480 up if you see something happening that seems a bit unusual.

00:13:26.360 I think so often, as you mentioned, Megan, we tend to lurch towards the gun debate.

00:13:30.880 And really, it's people who are interested in trying to do something impractical, like

00:13:33.920 confiscate all the guns, who spend most of their time in the wake of a tragedy like

00:13:38.340 this talking about confiscating guns.

00:13:40.920 The really difficult work, quite frankly, and I think the thing that could actually have

00:13:44.640 a practical impact on the likelihood of these things happening is families and communities

00:13:49.960 having really sober conversations about what we do for people who are in distress, who

00:13:54.980 are in our midst, who could, in fact, end up becoming a mass shooter or doing something

00:13:59.940 else dramatically harmful to lots of other people.

00:14:02.840 There is something that has to be done, but there is no shortcuts there.

00:14:06.600 I think it requires a lot of hard work and sober, serious conversations in moments like

00:14:12.800 these, as opposed to the kind of political mud wrestling that takes place with people preening

00:14:20.080 and essentially imagining that they could do something impossible to eradicate this sort of

00:14:25.480 problem forever.

00:14:26.580 But I think it's much better to focus on the difficult, the practical things that we need

00:14:30.480 to do here.

00:14:31.620 Well, that's an extraordinary story, Camille.

00:14:33.660 I agree with every word you said.

00:14:35.640 And we could spend more time on the gun debate.

00:14:38.540 There are over 400 million guns in America.

00:14:40.240 They're not going away.

00:14:41.280 In no world are the semi-automatic guns ever going away, and they can do as much damage as

00:14:46.200 the AR-15s.

00:14:47.920 It's like, it's pointless to spend time on the gun debate.

00:14:50.240 They're not going away in no world.

00:14:52.700 So we do have to spend time in the mental health problem.

00:14:55.900 And I'll tell you, Moynihan, I've said this before after other school shootings, other

00:14:59.940 shootings that involve schools, but it could be any mass shooting.

00:15:02.580 I really firmly believe what we need is a mental health facility to which a loving parent

00:15:06.760 would send her son.

00:15:08.900 We need a facility that is jail-like.

00:15:12.420 It's a secure facility, but it is one to which a loving family member would feel comfortable

00:15:19.060 committing his or her son, daughter, uncle, cousin.

00:15:23.160 And one in which civil liberties are going to have to be bent a bit.

00:15:26.560 They're going to have to be protected, but they're going to have to be, they can't be

00:15:28.880 the concern number one.

00:15:30.460 Mine and yours and our kids, those civil liberties are the ones that are going to have to matter.

00:15:34.340 Not those of the guy who's hearing voices and is threatening to shoot places up and was

00:15:38.380 just on a mental health hold inside a facility over the summer.

00:15:41.540 That guy's going to lose a little.

00:15:42.760 But we could set up a panel where we had multi-disciplined doctors who review this person's

00:15:50.400 mental health history and decide for the rest of us whether this person's a threat or a

00:15:53.760 danger to society or not, and we could continue extending the holds.

00:15:57.780 Something needs to change.

00:15:59.560 It's not a gun grab.

00:16:01.400 Something needs to change in the way we approach people we know have mental health issues.

00:16:05.480 And of course, yes, their access to guns.

00:16:08.020 I mean, you're right on one thing in particular when you talk about mental health professionals.

00:16:14.060 I did a story maybe four or five years ago when a red flag law was about to be passed in

00:16:19.660 Washington state.

00:16:20.560 And I talked to the people who objected to this and they were civil libertarians.

00:16:24.220 A lot of people like the ACLU was not on board with this and not the type of group you would

00:16:28.600 suspect is going to be like, well, you know, let people have access to guns.

00:16:32.620 The issue was, is that, you know, a judge was the person that was supposed to be qualified

00:16:38.920 to determine whether somebody was mentally fit to exercise a constitutional right.

00:16:44.720 That is a hard position to put a judge in.

00:16:46.860 It was also who gets to bring somebody before a court.

00:16:50.700 Can it be, you know, a girlfriend or an ex or a boyfriend, whoever, who is angry about

00:16:56.740 something and wants to, you know, bring them in front of a court to kind of take their

00:17:00.780 guns away for whatever reason.

00:17:02.620 So there has to be all those, those checks in it into what Camille just said.

00:17:05.740 I just wanted to add, add something is that when that was actually happening in Camille's

00:17:09.840 life, Camille and I talked about it.

00:17:11.780 So while it was ongoing and when Camille says it's a difficult thing to do, I had that

00:17:18.180 conversation with him and I remember how difficult that process was.

00:17:21.460 Like, this could be somebody in my family.

00:17:23.820 What do I do?

00:17:24.640 There's no easy path here.

00:17:26.600 And, you know, I'll say one final thing about this is, you know, I have a lot of European

00:17:30.180 friends who say, just do something.

00:17:32.240 You have to do something.

00:17:34.000 And there's ups and downs, goods and bads about the system that we have.

00:17:38.480 I think it's mostly good that, you know, when you tweet something in the UK, you can go

00:17:42.920 to jail because there's no free speech rights.

00:17:45.420 The Constitution is a pretty, thankfully, rigid document that doesn't allow somebody to

00:17:51.400 separate somebody from a constitutional right on a hunch.

00:17:54.500 So it puts us in very difficult situations like this.

00:17:56.920 You're right, Megan, also that, you know, gun grabbing.

00:18:00.020 I mean, there's more guns than there are people in this country.

00:18:02.660 It's an impossibility.

00:18:04.000 There is a liberal journalist who used to work for The New York Times who read a really

00:18:07.780 interesting book that I recommend your listeners pick up called Living With Guns.

00:18:12.440 He's a liberal New York guy.

00:18:13.900 I don't think he's a gun owner.

00:18:14.860 But he said, look, we have to live with this and figure out how to live with it and what

00:18:18.320 is the most practical thing.

00:18:19.560 And for me, one of the things that has made me drift away over time from a rigidity in

00:18:25.420 my libertarianism is going to San Francisco.

00:18:28.680 And the connection there is that when you walk around San Francisco, you see this is the result

00:18:34.040 of what libertarians loved in the past, which was deinstitutionalization.

00:18:38.100 You cannot force a person who has their own sovereign rights to be on the street if they

00:18:43.440 don't want to.

00:18:44.060 You're wrong because that person is abridging the rights of everybody else in their society.

00:18:50.120 And so that was the first kind of moment where I was like, I think maybe libertarians on this

00:18:53.560 are off in that kind of balance between taking away somebody's rights or institutionalizing

00:19:00.320 them for public safety is something that I do not in any way pretend is an easy thing

00:19:04.900 to ascertain or to figure out the correct balance.

00:19:09.360 Yes, I know it's not going to be easy because I know, you know, there are a lot of gun owners

00:19:13.580 out there who your point about, can the girlfriend do it?

00:19:16.500 They're worried, you know, some upset ex is going to somehow get them committed or get

00:19:21.920 their gun taken away.

00:19:23.120 That can't happen either.

00:19:24.460 It has to be set up such that there are multi layers before somebody would get committed or

00:19:31.120 would have the red flag put on such that they can't have the access.

00:19:33.920 But we need to do it.

00:19:35.080 I mean, I'm sick of I'm sick of these mass murders where we just have the same dumb ass debates

00:19:40.200 every time.

00:19:41.200 Literally nothing changes.

00:19:42.720 And even if we banned all these guns and of course, you're not supposed to have access

00:19:46.000 to a gun if you have the mental health history of this guy anyway.

00:19:48.580 But guess what?

00:19:49.380 They figure out how to get it.

00:19:50.820 It's of course, of course they do.

00:19:52.800 It's not hard to get a gun.

00:19:54.540 What I'm thinking in response to this and by the way, welcome, Matt.

00:19:58.680 Matt's feed is up now.

00:19:59.740 What I'm thinking in response to this horrific shooting, you know, you're at the bowling alley

00:20:03.740 for God's sake.

00:20:04.440 You're at a bar and grill with your family.

00:20:06.060 It's a youth night or we'll get to the Cooper Union college students is I've said this before.

00:20:12.480 I'm not like a big gun person, but in these moments, I want to call my friends, Dana and

00:20:17.080 Chris Lash, who live in Texas and they are huge second amendment people and I want to

00:20:22.160 spend the next year in training with them.

00:20:23.900 I want the same arsenal they have in their home.

00:20:26.120 I want to be as comfortable with the guns.

00:20:27.960 I mean, they got guns everywhere.

00:20:29.020 I would love to see somebody try to not really, but invade their home.

00:20:33.200 That guy would get it right where he right deserves it.

00:20:36.840 Not really.

00:20:37.460 Please don't do that.

00:20:38.100 But I'm just saying like this, the in these instances, those of us who don't walk around

00:20:44.120 with guns all the time are feeling like we need them.

00:20:46.420 I mean, I'm talking to Jewish families right now who I know who are for the first time in

00:20:50.080 their lives getting guns.

00:20:51.300 You know, there there was an incident in L.A. just two days ago where somebody invaded somebody's

00:20:55.960 house with a knife trying to attack the family because they were Jewish, right?

00:20:59.520 That's probably going to be elevated to President Biden's next speech, I'm sure, because it was

00:21:02.880 a Jewish family.

00:21:03.580 Yeah, right.

00:21:03.900 I'll wait.

00:21:04.640 Anyway, I really do think in these instances, the answer to a bad guy with a gun is a good

00:21:09.680 guy with a gun if we're not going to start institutionalizing these people.

00:21:12.480 Matt Welsh, what do you think?

00:21:14.400 Yeah, it's as you say, every single time this happens, there's this scramble that we all do

00:21:19.280 internally and that everyone does externally of what's what's the magic button that I can push

00:21:24.780 to make this not happen.

00:21:25.800 And there really isn't one in a country that has 350 to 400 million guns already there.

00:21:32.000 You can't confiscate them.

00:21:33.280 You have a Second Amendment right to individual firearms and you have a country with a history

00:21:37.860 of violence.

00:21:38.440 We're just a little bit more violent country than most other places.

00:21:41.640 You know, the New England and the that weird part of the country up up north and to the east

00:21:47.360 that Moynihan is from is a pretty heavily armed and pretty gun free, meaning like you're free

00:21:55.540 to have guns type of place.

00:21:57.480 It's it's sort of like Canada in that regard.

00:21:59.980 There's a lot of guns and there isn't a lot of restrictions.

00:22:01.960 So I mean, there's there's a lot of places with a lot of guns and people, you know, gun

00:22:11.400 violence is oftentimes more concentrated in places where there are the heaviest gun restrictions,

00:22:16.880 you know, in places like Chicago and Washington, D.C., New York City, to some degree, all that's

00:22:22.260 gone down over the years.

00:22:23.340 There isn't the magic button.

00:22:24.360 We have to respect rights and we have to acknowledge that something is deeply broken, either just

00:22:30.880 broadly in mental health or in the nexus between where people have obvious mental health problems

00:22:36.820 and proximity to guns.

00:22:38.900 It's it's infuriating and and sad making.

00:22:43.160 And, you know, it's the one of the craziest things about this is you wonder in the wake

00:22:47.620 of so much other news happening right now, are people going to be talking about this two

00:22:52.340 days from now?

00:22:52.760 I'm not so sure.

00:22:54.360 No, they're not because it happens so often.

00:22:56.540 I will tell you that my my brother lives down in Georgia and we were talking about around

00:23:01.300 the phone the other day and somebody cut him off and he was he was pissed off.

00:23:04.320 And he was saying down there like people don't they don't give the finger that much.

00:23:09.080 They don't like honk or get on, you know, like do something obnoxious because you never

00:23:12.940 know somebody can have a gun in the next car.

00:23:14.860 And the next thing you know, this thing has turned like deadly.

00:23:17.740 It's it's not like when we were growing up where maybe you get a finger in response like,

00:23:21.540 OK, that's that's justice.

00:23:23.000 I give you the finger.

00:23:24.100 Give me the finger.

00:23:24.760 We move on our merry way.

00:23:26.160 Somehow you feel like you've gotten your revenge.

00:23:28.460 It's a different story.

00:23:29.500 So, yes, guns are everywhere in America.

00:23:32.020 That's our country.

00:23:33.080 Get used to it.

00:23:33.860 It's not changing anytime soon.

00:23:35.020 What were you going to say, Camille?

00:23:35.720 I was just going to defend libertarians a little bit.

00:23:39.760 I mean, the reality is the state run mental institutions have a pretty bad track record.

00:23:44.300 They've been terrible places.

00:23:45.380 And someone said earlier, I think it was you, Megan, that what we need are establishments

00:23:49.820 that people would feel comfortable sending their family members to.

00:23:52.760 And I can say in my own situation, I was the one who ended up getting law enforcement involved.

00:23:58.720 And that was a very difficult call to make.

00:24:01.240 But I was also involved all throughout the kind of prosecutorial, the judicial process.

00:24:06.740 And when it became obvious that the only two options were incarceration with actual hardened

00:24:12.400 criminals and maybe placement in a really terrible state run facility.

00:24:18.520 I mean, I didn't feel great about either one of those options.

00:24:21.760 I was happy to have avoided a situation where anyone died or where my loved one themselves

00:24:27.020 were injured.

00:24:28.760 But I certainly didn't feel great about those options.

00:24:31.780 So we do need far better options than we had before.

00:24:35.100 You know, the whole one flu over the cuckoo's nest mental health infrastructure is simply not

00:24:40.840 sufficient to actually address these problems.

00:24:42.840 This is a kind of a trade-off.

00:24:44.500 It's a different kind of calamity.

00:24:47.400 And then there needs to be some monitoring of the meds.

00:24:50.280 You know, if this guy's schizophrenic, which he certainly sounds like he is, he's hearing

00:24:53.980 voices, there needs to be some monitoring of the meds.

00:24:57.180 You know, like if you, there are like alcohol monitoring programs where people are asked to

00:25:03.960 blow in a breathalyzer over the phone.

00:25:06.240 You know, I don't know how they work, but there are all sorts of ways of these, you know, loving

00:25:09.800 supportive groups to monitor somebody's rehab through a situation like that.

00:25:13.900 What do we have in place to monitor somebody's continuation on lithium or making sure that

00:25:18.760 they're taking their meds to protect the rest of society?

00:25:21.520 I guarantee you this facility that let him go had nothing.

00:25:24.540 I bet there was absolutely no more contact.

00:25:26.460 You're on your own.

00:25:27.520 And the same family members that let him get into the first position where he was schizophrenic

00:25:31.580 and hearing voices and threatening to shoot people and went into a facility probably wasn't

00:25:34.980 so great on the outcome either.

00:25:36.860 You know, the other side, I just, we need a serious look at it.

00:25:41.560 And it's actually not even going to be that much money.

00:25:43.980 It would be expensive.

00:25:44.680 But I'll bet you people would donate on this.

00:25:47.260 I bet you people would donate to create such a facility.

00:25:49.640 There'd have to be a liability shield for the people running it.

00:25:52.520 Otherwise, everybody would sue them if that person came out of the facility and then went

00:25:56.680 on to commit a mass shooting.

00:25:58.000 So there has to be some sort of a liability shield where it's like, we're not making any

00:26:00.900 promises.

00:26:01.240 We're going to do our best here.

00:26:02.520 But we need something different.

00:26:04.160 We need different thinking.

00:26:05.560 So everyone can F off if they go back to their same solutions that aren't, that aren't

00:26:11.580 solutions at all.

00:26:12.420 I'm not engaging in those debates anymore.

00:26:14.700 Come to me with a new and innovative idea or goodbye.

00:26:18.380 This guy, meanwhile, you guys, is still on the loose.

00:26:20.980 They said they last saw his car.

00:26:22.700 He drove away in a small white SUV with a front bumper that they believe was painted

00:26:27.760 black.

00:26:28.880 They found that vehicle late last night in Lisbon, Maine, about eight miles from Lewiston,

00:26:33.240 near a boat dock.

00:26:34.480 So it's believed he potentially, you know, used a boat launch and got on a boat somehow.

00:26:39.920 But we have no idea.

00:26:41.760 It's very scary that they haven't caught this guy.

00:26:44.900 And the police are saying they believe he's armed and dangerous.

00:26:48.840 I don't know, you guys, if he's this mentally unstable, they will catch him, right?

00:26:53.560 I mean, they're going to catch him.

00:26:54.700 I think that's probably right.

00:26:58.140 And to, you know, Maine is obviously a very large wooded state, not hugely populated.

00:27:04.380 It's very easy to disappear in a place like Maine.

00:27:06.880 I used to spend a lot of time there in the summers.

00:27:09.040 But I would say the other thing to the mental health facility issue there, you know, people

00:27:15.680 always point out that this happens almost uniquely in America, not entirely.

00:27:19.700 You see it happen here and there in other countries.

00:27:21.700 But there are also other countries that do have lots of guns, high concentrations of guns

00:27:25.360 and even places like Canada, Finland, Switzerland, where I used to live in Sweden.

00:27:30.420 And I think that one of the difference is, I mean, people access to guns is obviously an

00:27:33.900 issue and you cannot pretend that that's not an issue.

00:27:35.700 But I think one of the other issues is mental health facilities and availability.

00:27:41.920 And what you said, Megan, people will raise money for this.

00:27:45.020 It's not terribly expensive.

00:27:46.580 That is true.

00:27:47.740 And I was at a fundraiser last week for a charity that raises money for mental health

00:27:54.620 issues for veterans.

00:27:56.480 And at the end, there was an auction and I was absolutely blown away about how much money

00:28:00.140 they raised in about 45 minutes.

00:28:01.820 I know that's for veterans.

00:28:02.820 But in general, I think that that it's a problem that could be solved.

00:28:06.820 But part of it, I think partisan squabbling, particularly on the gun issue, is one that

00:28:11.420 prevents any forward motion on a solution.

00:28:14.280 Yeah, you could set it up such that there was a children's wing because there are I mean,

00:28:19.920 I've interviewed the mothers.

00:28:20.840 I've mentioned this before.

00:28:21.640 There are children who the mothers have and the dads have identified as sociopaths, future

00:28:28.020 sociopaths.

00:28:28.700 They can tell that there are the kids who torture the family cat or dog that that shit is real.

00:28:35.040 And you could have an adult wing and there would obviously have to be extremely careful

00:28:38.840 screening procedures for any weapons, et cetera, so that the patients were safe from one

00:28:42.840 another and the caregivers were safe from the patients.

00:28:45.620 But this can be done.

00:28:47.760 We're smart enough and we're rich enough as a people to find an alternate solution to

00:28:53.040 this problem.

00:28:53.460 And it won't be foolproof for all the reasons we've discussed, but it could help.

00:28:57.880 Right now, we're not trying.

00:28:59.240 We just tread water every time and say, oh, so sorry, Zoe.

00:29:02.980 So sorry.

00:29:03.580 Anywho.

00:29:04.420 And then we move on.

00:29:05.180 It's just I fucking can't stand it, to be honest.

00:29:07.660 I just can't stand it.

00:29:08.640 And I feel like people like us who are reasonable, who are not anti-gun, but maybe not like the

00:29:17.140 biggest gun people ever, right?

00:29:18.940 Like, and not really pro-government control over our lives, right?

00:29:24.400 But understand, like you were saying, Moynihan, like in some circumstances, I see that those

00:29:29.340 we are the solution.

00:29:30.560 We're the ones who are going to have to find the solution because the other side just dig

00:29:33.460 in on their intractable positions.

00:29:35.680 All right, let's talk about Cooper Union because this is dark.

00:29:37.700 This is crazy.

00:29:40.360 Let me ask you a question.

00:29:41.460 This may not be an appropriate question, as so many of mine are not.

00:29:45.580 Where are the Jewish groups fighting back?

00:29:49.280 Why are we not seeing Jewish groups in the streets, in New York, all over the country to

00:29:55.620 show a force, you know, like a counter protest to what we're seeing with these pro-Palestinian

00:30:02.980 groups who all I hear is from the river to the sea.

00:30:05.580 I'm sick of their from the river to the sea.

00:30:07.700 They can take their from the river to the sea and shove it where I understand Jewish people

00:30:11.980 are understandably feeling afraid right now.

00:30:15.000 There was a massacre of Jews in Israel two weeks ago, but I was looking at it when I saw

00:30:20.240 these poor Jewish kids in the side of this library.

00:30:22.320 What I wanted in my imaginary world was for them to open the doors of the library, get in

00:30:27.980 the faces of these protesters and say, I don't use the P word, but you absolute P words.

00:30:33.820 Bring it.

00:30:34.760 What is it?

00:30:35.700 What are you?

00:30:36.180 They're not going to shoot them.

00:30:37.460 They're just trying to scare them.

00:30:39.320 Fuck off.

00:30:40.320 Like, that's kind of what I wanted to say.

00:30:42.400 But easy for me to say.

00:30:43.640 I'm sitting here in the comfort of my studio, well protected.

00:30:47.440 I don't know what the answer is here, but I don't want to see more instances of Jews having

00:30:51.660 to hide in the school library or elsewhere.

00:30:54.260 In fairness, Megan, one of the students told us, the Jewish students inside the library

00:30:59.400 told CBS News that if it was up to him, he would have taken off the barricade in the door

00:31:04.540 and and got in straight into their faces.

00:31:07.420 But they were told not to do it.

00:31:10.060 I asked your question, which I think is appropriate, but I think the most appropriate question is

00:31:14.920 why aren't we, you know, those of us who aren't Jewish, I don't really know about where

00:31:19.840 from Moynihan is on this on any given day or children, but like, why aren't the Gentiles

00:31:28.140 out in force?

00:31:29.520 I mean, right tomorrow, there's going to be a huge pro-Palestinian demonstration, I believe

00:31:35.440 in Crown Heights over by the Brooklyn Museum.

00:31:39.800 And so this is a perfectly apt time for counter protests and also just acts of public empathy

00:31:48.320 and sympathy for our Jewish friends who are traumatized.

00:31:51.400 I'm in a neighborhood which is not full of yahoos, despite our local city councilwoman

00:31:56.260 who was arrested in Bryant Park for blocking traffic and chanting to the river by the sea.

00:32:02.980 But the, you know, old Brooklyn Italian neighborhood, and they have the posters up, the flyers on the

00:32:08.720 trees and on some of the street lamps showing the hostages that have been kidnapped in Gaza.

00:32:15.300 And people, a small minority people, but are there tearing them down?

00:32:20.360 They have to put them higher and higher in the trees, including right across the street

00:32:24.320 from the Jewish school that's right across the street from my house.

00:32:27.720 Imagine that.

00:32:28.420 You're just walking around.

00:32:29.820 You're dropping off your kid.

00:32:31.080 You're feeling a little bit, a lot of it, uncertain, terrible about what's happened.

00:32:36.580 And you can look on the trees.

00:32:38.940 Yeah, it's my picture.

00:32:39.680 Thanks, guys.

00:32:40.280 You can look on the trees and see where people have been ripping them down.

00:32:45.360 How does that make you feel?

00:32:46.400 I mean, how do you even visualize the mentality of the person who does that?

00:32:51.580 So, yes, Megan, I think there should be counter demonstrations, but I think they should be led

00:32:55.140 by Gentiles because right now this there's all of these phrases and slogans that have been sort

00:33:02.900 of allowed to hang there and almost be stated as facts, including to the river, from the river to

00:33:08.600 the sea, that need to be challenged.

00:33:11.540 And they also need to be sort of vociferously countered at a moment when, especially in a

00:33:16.620 city like New York, where we have more than one million Jews who live here, our people are hurting.

00:33:23.360 Yes, I would go out.

00:33:24.900 Honestly, I feel like I'm happy to go out.

00:33:27.060 I understand some Jewish people right now are telling their kids not to wear their Star

00:33:30.420 of David, not to wear the yarmulke, to be careful.

00:33:33.020 Bethany Mandel was saying she had to have an active shooter discussion with her kids on

00:33:36.600 the way to Temple last week.

00:33:38.300 Like, I get the fear, but I also get, we have to remember here in particular, this is America.

00:33:45.660 Like, we don't cower.

00:33:47.920 F these people.

00:33:48.940 Nine times out of ten, these snot-nosed college assholes are just spewing a bunch of BS they

00:33:56.080 don't even understand.

00:33:57.380 They're not actually going to harm anybody.

00:33:59.760 And somebody needs to get in their face and make them understand there's no backing down.

00:34:04.780 There's another side.

00:34:05.600 The majority of this country supports Israel, recognizes this was a terrorist attack, and

00:34:11.160 you can spew your nonsense all you want, but there's a much louder voice in this country,

00:34:15.840 much louder.

00:34:16.680 I personally want to see it on the street.

00:34:18.120 I'm happy to be part of it.

00:34:19.460 It's just jarring to me to hear stories about Jews having to lock themselves in the library.

00:34:23.000 And, you know, story after story, we've heard, there's some crazy pieces of that Cooper Union

00:34:29.840 story about, like, they had to be escorted out through the tunnels.

00:34:33.140 I mean, think about being a Jewish person in the wake of the Hamas attack, where they still

00:34:37.120 have Jewish prisoners in tunnels right now in Gaza, and you're walking through a tunnel

00:34:41.700 to exit your own school for your own safety.

00:34:44.720 It's effed up in New York City.

00:34:46.800 I mean, one of the amazing things to me, Matt pointed out that there's going to be yet another

00:34:53.580 one of these rallies, these pro-Hamas rallies, I don't know what other way to describe them,

00:35:00.460 either tomorrow in New York City or Saturday, that starts in Crown Heights.

00:35:04.880 People of any historical memory will be jarred by that.

00:35:08.720 In 1980, there was quite a furor within the media when Ronald Reagan launched his campaign

00:35:17.860 in Mississippi after he won the nomination, and he launched it from a town in which there

00:35:24.860 was a famous lynching.

00:35:26.580 The Reagan campaign claimed they didn't know this, but it's still, I saw it in a book like

00:35:31.940 two months ago that I was reading that this comes up.

00:35:34.280 Crown Heights in 1991 was the scene of those who are us from the area and remember Crown

00:35:40.940 Heights.

00:35:41.420 Before I moved to New York in 2001, I knew Crown Heights as the scene of an anti-Semitic

00:35:46.820 riot in 1991 where Orthodox Jews were attacked and their stores were looted and set on fire.

00:35:52.600 It's astonishing to me that this is going to be launched in Crown Heights.

00:35:57.960 One would imagine that there would be somebody pointing this out.

00:36:01.080 As of yet, I haven't heard anyone point this out, but the Cooper Union thing is pretty

00:36:08.200 astonishing, too.

00:36:08.960 My favorite thing, and I wanted to read you something, because I got up this morning and

00:36:13.620 I looked at the newspaper and I saw a story about this on the New York Times.

00:36:18.900 The New York Times had a story about this that had this sentence in it, which I want to

00:36:23.380 say, I don't know what happened to Cooper Union.

00:36:25.380 I was not there.

00:36:26.060 I've seen little bits of video and I'm holding off.

00:36:29.300 But this is what the New York Times said.

00:36:30.440 There was no indication that the protesters intended to harm the Jewish students or anyone

00:36:35.620 else in the library.

00:36:37.420 But the student who was there was nonetheless scared that the protesters might break down

00:36:42.000 the doors.

00:36:42.660 Now, take that sentence and rewrite it.

00:36:45.780 There was no indication that the MAGA protesters were intending to harm the black students in

00:36:50.480 the library.

00:36:51.580 But I don't suspect that that would happen.

00:36:53.900 But I appreciate that the New York Times, after screwing up the hospital coverage, is

00:36:59.120 now trying to, you know, just say, we'll be a little safe about this.

00:37:02.400 But it's interesting and curious that they're being safe now on this issue.

00:37:06.920 And I will quote the British comedian David Baddiel, who himself is Jewish and has a book

00:37:12.100 which says it all, the title that says it all, Jews don't count.

00:37:15.940 They don't count as minorities.

00:37:17.100 You're people who oppose racism, you're anti-racist, and you're out protesting on behalf of a group

00:37:23.920 that killed Jews because they were Jewish.

00:37:27.280 What does one call that?

00:37:28.600 One would presumably call that racism.

00:37:30.340 But as Baddiel says, Jews don't count.

00:37:33.780 They were chanting all these same slogans, intifada from Israel to Gaza, however it was,

00:37:41.440 you know, the stupid sayings that they've been saying.

00:37:43.360 Um, and obviously the president felt threatened enough that she got escorted out the back

00:37:48.460 and left her students suffering, uh, and to fend for themselves.

00:37:51.720 The security guard, we played the tape, couldn't stop them saying, no, no, you saw them overcome

00:37:55.540 the security guard.

00:37:56.500 The protest was supposed to be outside and not on campus.

00:37:59.240 That's why the campus is saying we didn't beef up police presence, but they came on campus.

00:38:03.820 The one security guard couldn't handle them.

00:38:06.000 They overtook the guy.

00:38:07.320 They went to the library.

00:38:08.680 How did they know that the Jews were going to be in the library?

00:38:11.000 I don't know.

00:38:11.440 You know, I don't know what, what, what, how they knew or what they understood, but there

00:38:15.760 they went.

00:38:16.800 And while the president was scurrying out the back, the Jews were, were stuck inside the

00:38:21.940 library afraid.

00:38:22.900 And this council woman I mentioned, she, this is how she described it.

00:38:28.140 Um, the protesters stormed the school building.

00:38:30.560 There were no consequences.

00:38:31.520 No one was arrested.

00:38:32.540 The faculty members canceled class for the walkout, encouraging the students to go.

00:38:36.080 They offered them extra credit to do so.

00:38:37.880 So the school was well aware it was going to happen.

00:38:39.620 And faculty members themselves participated in the walkout.

00:38:43.340 They participated and yet they didn't beef up campus security.

00:38:46.480 There were only about 12 campus security guards total on site at any given time.

00:38:51.040 Nevermind yesterday.

00:38:52.360 And then the NYPD did not show up right away, even though they were getting called 911 calls

00:38:56.560 from the library.

00:38:57.480 So yes, New York times, the students did feel threatened.

00:38:59.580 Um, and then the, the NYPD told the students later that Cooper union did not allow the NYPD

00:39:06.040 onto school grounds.

00:39:07.520 It's a private institution.

00:39:08.480 And they say they were turned away by the same university that was ferreting its president

00:39:13.760 out the back so that she could stay safe.

00:39:16.100 The dean of the school, um, oh yeah, I mentioned this, escorted out through a safe back door

00:39:21.000 and, oh yeah, globalized the Intifada from New York to Gaza.

00:39:24.820 That's what they were chanting, globalized the Intifada from New York to Gaza.

00:39:28.000 Uh, and to this hour, the school has not issued any statement addressing this or ensuring the

00:39:34.240 students that they would be safe to come to school today.

00:39:36.700 Of course, they're worried about it.

00:39:38.300 Um, and then here's a statement that we just got from the pro-Palestinian protesters.

00:39:44.160 Listen to this.

00:39:46.020 We planned a peaceful protest in response to the school's one-sided stance and participation

00:39:51.460 in the occupation of Palestine.

00:39:54.160 Oh, the schools, the schools participating in the occupation of Palestine.

00:39:57.400 Are they weird?

00:39:58.420 Okay.

00:39:59.240 Uh, this is all because they're pissed off that their school president issued a good statement.

00:40:03.820 It took her a few days, but finally she issued a good statement in support of Israel in the

00:40:07.220 wake of the terror attack.

00:40:08.260 You know, we stand against the atrocities and the kill, the murder of civilians.

00:40:11.880 We plan to peacefully protest outside the building before walking in and continuing our protest

00:40:17.500 inside the president's office.

00:40:18.800 Well, why'd you do that?

00:40:19.520 You're skipping over some key points.

00:40:21.220 Yes, you planned the one thing, but then you did the other, which became the issue.

00:40:24.380 Hello?

00:40:25.260 When we reached the library, again, why were you at the library?

00:40:28.560 You're skipping over some key motivations and facts.

00:40:31.900 We were told that it was closed.

00:40:34.320 So we continued chanting.

00:40:36.440 Again, half the story, folks.

00:40:40.700 We know you were chanting about the Intifada, globalize the Intifada from New York to Gaza.

00:40:47.780 Our protest was not targeting any individual students or faculty.

00:40:51.600 We know it was just Jews, but the institution itself.

00:40:56.560 Well, it's weird how you didn't stay outside the institution.

00:40:59.620 You went right to the library where the Jewish students were.

00:41:02.140 We do not condone anti-Semitism.

00:41:04.460 Now, this is a lie.

00:41:06.020 When we reached the library, we were told it was closed.

00:41:07.960 So we just continued chanting.

00:41:09.620 Watch.

00:41:10.100 I'll play you the tape again.

00:41:10.920 They're banging on the locked door where the Jewish students are huddled.

00:41:24.480 So they can fuck off.

00:41:25.660 Sorry, a lot of F-bombs today with their stupid, dishonest statement.

00:41:29.760 It isn't true.

00:41:30.820 What they did is disgusting.

00:41:32.320 If I were the dean of students at this, they would be expelled.

00:41:35.780 I would figure out who banged, who was there.

00:41:38.780 They would be expelled.

00:41:40.560 No questions asked.

00:41:41.620 That's me.

00:41:43.040 There are plenty of things that are happening and have happened in the last couple of weeks

00:41:47.120 that have left me kind of reeling.

00:41:49.540 I am astonished by the levels and the frequency of outright open anti-Semitism that I've seen

00:42:00.600 in the streets of American cities.

00:42:02.960 It is deeply, deeply disconcerting.

00:42:05.820 I'm also very frustrated that we're still in the business of policing people who are talking

00:42:11.860 open and honestly about things.

00:42:13.680 And to the extent you can't describe a psychopathic murderous cult going into civilian areas and

00:42:21.840 murdering and kidnapping people wholesale as terrorism.

00:42:25.740 Again, I don't really know what universe that we're living in.

00:42:29.420 But there is a real sense in which we have at least seen things that should have prepared

00:42:33.600 me for this.

00:42:34.540 You know, the insanity of 2020, of that summer where we're seeing people who are having their

00:42:40.220 meals interrupted by these demonstrators who are filled with all of this energy and

00:42:46.360 who believe that they have the just cause and who believe it is their right to not only

00:42:51.180 confront you while you're eating your meal and disturbing you, but insist that you take

00:42:56.420 some sort of pledge, that you profess your fealty with their particular position, is something

00:43:03.640 that happened that a lot of media organizations described at the time as mostly peaceful.

00:43:09.380 It was despicable then.

00:43:11.620 And I think much of the euphemism that's being employed now to describe what we are seeing

00:43:16.920 on display is similarly despicable.

00:43:20.520 You know, I don't know what would happen if there had been robust counter demonstrations

00:43:25.860 in the summer of 2020.

00:43:27.080 I do know that there were plenty of people who were insufficiently courageous at that time

00:43:30.700 who said things that they didn't mean in order to try and avoid the mob coming for

00:43:35.360 them, hoping that things would blow over at some point.

00:43:38.180 But this is a time for people to be thoughtful and courageous.

00:43:42.640 I don't want to see university presidents sneaking away through the back door when something like

00:43:47.440 this is taking place on campus.

00:43:48.840 These institutions, you are responsible for them.

00:43:52.100 You're responsible for the students who attend these institutions.

00:43:55.920 You should be there on the front lines engaging your students.

00:43:59.660 You should be there offering warnings when you know that these demonstrations are going

00:44:03.260 to have decorum, pluralism.

00:44:06.140 These are our values.

00:44:07.820 The preposterous obsession with diversity, equity, and inclusion.

00:44:12.680 These places are supposed to be bastions of tolerance.

00:44:15.140 And they have completely, completely removed the mask at this point.

00:44:19.360 They are anything but what they have been for a very long time are indoctrination facilities

00:44:24.300 devoted entirely to promoting some kind of fundamentalist vision of the world.

00:44:29.460 And it is a kind of intolerance that is insidious and that is empty and hollow.

00:44:35.760 And my only silver lining in all of this is I presume that most of these kids are too

00:44:41.440 stupid to actually know what the intifada is.

00:44:43.520 So when they chant things like this, perhaps they don't know exactly what they mean, but

00:44:48.340 the fervor is enough to guide people to a place where they can do all manner of dastardly

00:44:52.940 things.

00:44:53.980 So we're at a very dangerous place.

00:44:55.620 And it is a time for some kind of courageous engagement on the part of leadership in these

00:45:00.720 institutions in particular.

00:45:02.520 Like, we need clear statements from you with respect to the expectations about conduct.

00:45:07.600 And I mean that even more than I would like to see statements from them about the Israeli-Palestinian

00:45:13.600 conflict in particular.

00:45:14.740 We've adopted this thing where we now expect every institution to have a political statement

00:45:20.360 of some sort when any incident happens.

00:45:23.600 What I would prefer is a little bit of focus on your own values and your own mission.

00:45:29.300 Maybe just be an academic institution for a change.

00:45:32.020 And to the extent you're that, that again, a genuine commitment to pluralism is what's

00:45:36.280 necessary.

00:45:36.860 A genuine commitment to not this kind of preposterous notion of like petty diversity of appearance,

00:45:43.000 but diversity of perspectives.

00:45:44.900 Meaningful, a meaningful commitment to that, a demonstrated commitment to that, and a complete

00:45:49.380 zero tolerance policy for anyone who runs afoul of those principles on your campus.

00:45:56.020 I think that-

00:45:56.800 You're so right.

00:45:57.300 Yeah.

00:45:57.760 Yeah.

00:45:58.280 Let me just make one point.

00:45:59.900 We're just now getting a statement from her, from the president of Cooper Union.

00:46:04.040 What's her name, Deb?

00:46:05.060 Again, I have it written down here someplace.

00:46:06.860 Oh, Laura Sparks.

00:46:08.040 Laura Sparks.

00:46:08.940 She's the one who hightailed it out the back.

00:46:10.760 She should have been on the opposite side of that door.

00:46:12.660 She should have been at the door protecting the Jewish students inside that library, not

00:46:16.540 being ferreted out the back.

00:46:18.640 Oh, we got to squeeze in a quick break because I don't know what's going to happen to us if we

00:46:22.020 don't.

00:46:23.020 But something bad, says Steve Krakauer.

00:46:25.480 So wait, quick break.

00:46:26.860 When we come back, I'll have her, I'll have her statement and hopefully we'll all be fine.

00:46:31.880 More with the fifth column.

00:46:32.980 They're here with us for the whole show.

00:46:38.820 This woman's, I'm sorry, but this is disgraceful.

00:46:41.980 She's really going to have to do better.

00:46:43.480 Laura Sparks, Cooper Union president, releases a very long statement, which I'm not going to

00:46:47.800 be able to get all of it to you.

00:46:49.620 So suffice it to say, I don't feel that she has, I don't see that she has in any way commented

00:46:56.800 on whether she ran to save her own ass out the back door while she left all those students

00:47:01.400 in the library exposed.

00:47:03.160 That does not appear to be on here.

00:47:06.580 She does say some of the highlights.

00:47:09.500 Students convene in front of the building at one.

00:47:11.640 It was a peaceful protest.

00:47:13.640 However, we want to make clear that language displayed on the protest signs may have suggested

00:47:17.320 the students were speaking on behalf of the college.

00:47:18.960 They were not okay.

00:47:20.180 Not really the issue, but okay.

00:47:21.920 The protest moved inside the building around three, three 45 to maintain a safe space.

00:47:26.360 The library was closed for approximately 20 minutes while some student protesters moved

00:47:30.120 through the building.

00:47:30.700 We know the librarians had to do that because the security was overwhelmed because you didn't

00:47:35.420 beef them up knowing that this protest was taking place and knowing that it was unsafe

00:47:39.360 as you ran.

00:47:40.340 We're aware it was the librarians.

00:47:42.700 You didn't say that they were the only brave ones other than the poor, the Jewish students

00:47:46.100 inside who didn't panic, held it together and made a thoughtful, sound decision about what

00:47:51.120 to do.

00:47:51.720 You, not so much.

00:47:54.760 They were to maintain a safe space.

00:47:56.540 The library was closed, passive voice by for approximately 20 minutes while some students,

00:48:00.620 protesters moved through the building, some chanting protest slogans and banging on the

00:48:04.060 library doors and windows.

00:48:05.200 Some students, not at, not at all involved in the protest were in the library.

00:48:08.720 Some, but they stayed in the layer in the library during this time.

00:48:11.900 They were accompanied by library staff and chose to stay in the library until the protest

00:48:14.960 was over.

00:48:15.700 This is such a whitewash of what actually happened.

00:48:18.240 You're disgusting, madam.

00:48:19.180 Get it together.

00:48:20.120 Do better.

00:48:20.740 Lead.

00:48:21.500 Try.

00:48:21.720 And if you can't get out of the way, uh, in the coming days, we'll review reports and

00:48:26.020 decide any necessary actions.

00:48:28.000 Once you call me, I'll help you.

00:48:30.020 I've got some thoughts.

00:48:31.240 We'll be right back.

00:48:32.180 Earlier this month, we brought you the story of an American hostage, Hirsch Goldberg, Poland.

00:48:42.300 He was one of many in attendance at the Tribe Nova Music Festival in Southern Israel on October

00:48:46.440 7th when Hamas attacked.

00:48:48.620 His parents received two short messages from him that morning, one that read, I love you,

00:48:54.700 followed by another, I'm sorry.

00:48:57.420 Do you guys remember this story?

00:48:58.620 His mother came out and she wrote this piece saying she knew his arm had been shot and she

00:49:05.580 was saying, I, I hope that there's a mother in Gaza who will take care of my son.

00:49:10.560 She said, I think I would take care of someone else's son if I saw that.

00:49:14.840 It's just absolutely heartbreaking.

00:49:17.260 Well, her son, Hirsch, again, an American, has not been heard or seen since.

00:49:23.020 Anderson Cooper sat down with Hirsch's parents last week where they shared what few details

00:49:28.620 they had of Hirsch, including that story of their son's arm being blown off by a grenade

00:49:34.680 terrorists threw into a shelter where he and other festival goers were hiding for their

00:49:40.380 lives.

00:49:41.240 After hearing their story, Cooper discovered that he may have seen footage of their son

00:49:46.460 through an Israeli soldier.

00:49:48.380 After the interview, his parents were able to confirm that that tape was of their son,

00:49:53.440 Hirsch.

00:49:53.740 In the video we're about to show you, which we warn you is disturbing, you will see Hirsch

00:50:00.180 moments after his arm is blown off as he and several other wounded hostages are forced

00:50:07.200 into the bed of a truck by Hamas terrorists.

00:50:10.620 Take a listen to Anderson Cooper's report.

00:50:12.580 God is great, the gunman shouts, recording on his phone.

00:50:23.840 He checks a car, looking for anyone else hiding.

00:50:31.900 Other gunmen shout as they bring survivors from the shelter.

00:50:35.120 Come, come, they yell.

00:50:36.440 Load them.

00:50:38.240 That's Hirsch on the right with another hostage.

00:50:40.700 His left hand and part of his arm is blown off.

00:50:44.940 The bone sticks out.

00:50:49.520 The other hostage appears wounded as well.

00:50:57.420 Another wounded hostage is dragged by his hair and tossed into the truck.

00:51:07.100 A fourth man is thrown on top of them.

00:51:10.700 These barbarians.

00:51:14.940 Hirsch's parents, John and Rachel, said they have no proof of life from their son.

00:51:18.980 They spoke of the pain of waiting, of not knowing, but still sending messages to their son.

00:51:25.320 How were you able to get through each day?

00:51:29.240 I personally feel like we have to keep running to the end of the earth to save him.

00:51:36.620 And we have to try to go believing that somehow he got treatment and he's there and he's in pain and he's suffering, but he's alive and he's there.

00:51:48.760 And there are also the moments in this universe that we now live where you say, maybe he died on the truck.

00:51:57.880 Maybe he bled out in that truck.

00:52:00.440 Maybe he died yesterday.

00:52:02.740 Maybe he died five minutes ago.

00:52:04.380 We have a porch that's facing south.

00:52:07.700 And I went out Friday night and I was like screaming to him.

00:52:12.120 And I'm hoping.

00:52:14.600 Because Friday night, you know, we bless our children traditionally.

00:52:18.020 And so I was screaming the blessing to him with my hands up.

00:52:21.240 I usually put my hands on his head when he's home.

00:52:23.320 So what is the blessing saying?

00:52:25.920 It says, may God bless you and keep you.

00:52:29.720 May God, may God's face shine upon you.

00:52:36.040 Absolutely unimaginable.

00:52:38.500 Back with us now, host of the fifth column, Matt Welsh, Michael Moynihan and Camille Foster.

00:52:42.580 So, so heartbreaking and so hard to talk about.

00:52:45.300 But, you know, I got to the point the other day, guys, where I was like, I can't I can't take any more of this.

00:52:51.640 Like, I cannot take any more of the Twitter feeds with just such horrific violence casually fed to me as I'm scrolling on X or even on our show, you know, doing a deep dive in and out of a story like the one we just did.

00:53:05.160 It's too much, you know, it's like overwhelming.

00:53:07.920 But I we have to like we you could do more than we do.

00:53:12.840 I'm doing what I'm capable of doing as a human who still has to report the news.

00:53:16.800 And the reason I think we have to is because of these assholes pulling down the posters of the hostages.

00:53:21.640 The people who automatically are trying to change this into the same priors that we've that we've always seen on like, well, Palestine, Israel, it's complicated, you know, as opposed to like actually understanding the nature of a terrorist attack that just happened by one side against the other.

00:53:38.860 And I think those stories remind us of what the Israelis are dealing with as we listen to.

00:53:43.760 I mean, everyone, including the president, say, two state solution, two state solution to.

00:53:52.460 OK, that's that's not going to happen.

00:53:55.060 It's just they've been offered it a million times.

00:53:56.980 Hamas, they don't want it.

00:53:58.240 They don't accept it.

00:53:59.160 If they were going to go for it, it would have happened already.

00:54:02.680 I'll just here's here he is.

00:54:04.540 You know, the latest version back to that.

00:54:08.340 It's Sot 9.

00:54:10.440 Israelis and Palestinians equally deserve to live side by side in safety, dignity and peace.

00:54:17.180 There's no going back to the status quo as it stood on October the 6th.

00:54:22.000 That means ensuring Hamas can no longer terrorize Israel and use Palestinian civilians as human shields.

00:54:30.400 It also means that when this crisis is over, there has to be a vision of what comes next.

00:54:36.300 And in our view, it has to be a two state solution.

00:54:40.640 You know, that'd be great, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen.

00:54:45.700 And what needs to happen right now, as far as I can tell, is Hamas needs to go away.

00:54:50.780 And he made a reference to it.

00:54:52.560 I mean, Hamas can no longer exist.

00:54:56.260 It's a terrorist organization.

00:54:57.940 They tried living in peace.

00:54:59.040 There was a ceasefire on October 6th that the Israelis tried.

00:55:03.700 And Hamas blew it up and they blew up Hirsch's arm.

00:55:07.420 And God knows what else.

00:55:08.900 What do you guys think?

00:55:10.360 Let's be clear about one thing.

00:55:12.220 And one thing that I've heard ad infinitum from incredibly stupid people who have seemed to crawl out from under their rocks in the past two weeks to annoy and disgust me with their kind of moral idiocy when it comes to this conflict.

00:55:30.560 A ceasefire is asking for Israel to surrender.

00:55:35.140 A ceasefire requires two people to agree to cease fire.

00:55:39.900 This is not something that has had.

00:55:41.560 Hamas is not saying, OK, well, let's just do this.

00:55:44.120 And, you know, you guys stay there and we stay here.

00:55:45.840 And there's there's some sort of solution.

00:55:47.340 If I heard, you know, could make a mixtape of all the presidents since 1948 who have said everybody deserves to live in peace.

00:55:57.560 Correct. But the parties involved need to agree to this.

00:56:01.920 And the party of Hamas in their charter is an anti-Semitic charter which calls for the expulsion of every Jew from the river to the sea.

00:56:10.000 That is what that means.

00:56:11.040 If these people out there yelling this don't understand this, get a fucking book and figure it out.

00:56:15.140 The second thing about this, using the phrase intifada, I mean, we have I had people say, you know, you can't use the word black mark on reputation because it is racist because it has the word black in it.

00:56:28.840 We can't say picnic.

00:56:29.840 We can't say master of a house at Harvard because there were masters, masters bedrooms, because there were masters that owned slaves.

00:56:37.880 Intifada means something.

00:56:39.760 And in 2000, in 2000, the second intifada, I recommend eight days into the second intifada, there was a lynching of two IDF reservists who mistakenly drove into Ramallah, were were beaten by a mob, then pulled into a police station.

00:56:53.860 And the Palestinian Authority police let them out to be murdered.

00:56:56.920 Their eyes were garged out.

00:56:58.060 They were like cut into almost beheaded and very famously a scene where people who know this story very well, a one of the murderers came to the window of the police station with his hands covered in blood and held them up to a cheering crowd.

00:57:12.700 That is the intifada.

00:57:14.380 Is that what you're calling for?

00:57:15.760 We have to be careful about every bit of language, but not that language from the river to the sea.

00:57:20.340 We have to be careful with expelling all the Jews from an ancestral home.

00:57:24.380 How about you do a statement of indigenous people of a region, the things they supposedly care about?

00:57:31.880 And I just want to say one final thing to the video that you just showed.

00:57:35.260 And that stuff is more horrible by every time I see that.

00:57:40.120 And I've seen that before.

00:57:41.400 It churns my stomach.

00:57:43.220 And the problem is, is you see enough of these videos and you have to watch them.

00:57:47.460 And I tell people, these are not snuff films.

00:57:49.820 These are educational films to realize that the enemy that we're dealing with.

00:57:53.020 And I want to just say something about the other day.

00:57:56.800 The Israelis felt it necessary to get journalists to come into a room, leave their phones, just bring notebooks and watch a video that they had put together from the body cam footage of Hamas terrorists.

00:58:12.200 And they put together a 40 minute video and you couldn't film it.

00:58:15.340 You couldn't get clips of it.

00:58:16.440 You had to walk out and just report on it and report what you saw because enough people are denying this.

00:58:20.560 And I just want to read this one thing from Andrew Neil, the great Scottish journalist who was at the BBC for a long time.

00:58:27.200 And this is a one sentence of one thing that was seen and it's necessary to hear.

00:58:32.680 In one clip, a Hamas terrorist throws a grenade at a father and son.

00:58:36.920 The blast kills the father while the young boy is covered in his blood.

00:58:40.840 The child is dragged inside and forced to sit next to his brother, whose eye is a bloody mess.

00:58:45.700 After being subject to horrific torture, one of the boys sobs, why am I alive?

00:58:53.340 From the river to the sea.

00:58:56.420 Unbelievable.

00:58:57.140 Unbearable.

00:58:58.040 We covered a bit of that.

00:58:59.740 And I noticed in the follow up days that the Atlantic reporter, Graham Wood, I saw a statement by him saying something to the effect of, I hope I'm not changed forever.

00:59:13.460 You know, I hope I'm not changed forever as a person after taking that in.

00:59:17.060 I mean, as, as grizzled and hardened and cynical as most reporters are, especially war correspondents, certain things just, they, you know, we're still human.

00:59:27.680 I'm not, I don't count myself as war reporter, but Anderson Cooper is a legit war reporter.

00:59:31.400 And, you know, so those people who are called into that room, many of them were, right.

00:59:36.740 I know what he means.

00:59:37.700 I hope I'm not changed as a human.

00:59:39.780 Grant wrote a book on ISIS.

00:59:42.380 Disposition.

00:59:43.140 Say again.

00:59:44.180 Grant wrote a book on ISIS.

00:59:46.340 He knows what he's talking about.

00:59:48.080 Yeah.

00:59:48.340 And, and yet he's looking at this as the thing that may have changed him, that film that they just showed.

00:59:53.400 I don't, you know, I saw Moynihan, you tweeted about some polls out of Palestine on how they feel about Israel.

01:00:00.300 And, and I, you know, I look at this, I listen to what Alan Dershowitz has told me about the number of offers that Israel has made, you know, on two state solutions that have been rejected.

01:00:10.720 And I just don't feel hopeful about it.

01:00:12.920 Wait, let's see.

01:00:14.300 Yeah.

01:00:14.700 Yeah.

01:00:14.840 Yeah.

01:00:15.040 Okay.

01:00:15.740 No, no, sorry.

01:00:16.560 Matt Welsh.

01:00:17.180 Matt Welsh.

01:00:17.540 Matt Welsh.

01:00:17.560 You were the one tweeting.

01:00:18.340 Sorry.

01:00:18.980 Yeah.

01:00:20.160 Yeah.

01:00:20.560 The, um, it's not just, uh, uh, Palestinians and Gaza, but also, um, residents of Jordan.

01:00:27.560 Right.

01:00:28.280 Um, uh, the number of people in Jordan, um, who believe that the biggest regional problem to security is that Israel exists.

01:00:38.380 And that's the wording, uh, that's 94% of, uh, the Jordanian population.

01:00:44.640 Uh, this is pre October 7th, but of polls over the last 18 months, let's say to the extent to which we have good polling public opinion in what is an authoritarian state run by a king who has strict control over the press.

01:00:56.100 And who is still blaming Israel, by the way, for the hospital explosion.

01:00:59.880 Um, as is, uh, Turkish president Erdogan, who, uh, today or yesterday said that, uh, that Hamas is not a terrorist organization.

01:01:07.380 They're an organization of liberation, says the NATO ally president.

01:01:12.240 Um, the surrounding countries and their authoritarian leaders have been using Israel as a scapegoat and the Palestinian as Palestinian issue as kind of safety valve issue, regardless of what one thinks about the legitimate claims of, of residents of the West Bank.

01:01:28.660 I think, uh, to, uh, to have, to live a life of more dignity than they currently do, I have a lot of, uh, empathy for their plight.

01:01:35.440 Um, uh, and I also think that when 60 plus percent of Jordanians say that they cheer when Hamas fires rockets into Israel, that we have a problem.

01:01:45.700 Um, and this is from a government that has officially recognized Israel, which their population despises.

01:01:51.920 Um, and this is the reality that Israelis have been telling us about for a really long time, um, and been trying to create their zone, their space of safety within a really hostile territory, a neighborhood, and, uh, and have managed a kind of miraculous, um, uh, uh, system there in the desert, uh, that is, uh, worth thinking about.

01:02:16.500 Um, so what we saw, I mean, the part about Joe Biden's speech that October 6th, uh, that status quo can't be reached.

01:02:23.440 There's a couple of different ways to read, to, to read that, but I think one of them that is true, whether or not it's his intention, I think it might even be his intention.

01:02:31.560 Um, is that Israel, um, can no longer, um, take, uh, as a status quo, having somebody on their border, just lobbing rockets and saying that we need to destroy Israel.

01:02:45.680 Um, Israel is going to have a say in the security arrangements of Gaza for a long time.

01:02:53.020 Um, even if they're not going to occupy, which the Biden administration does not want them to do.

01:02:57.440 And I would imagine a lot of Israelis don't want them to do either, um, it's a big, big, awful mess.

01:03:03.000 Um, but they are going to have their fingers all up inside whatever security arrangement and lethality is available to, uh, Gaza certainly.

01:03:14.100 And then if there's any possibility of having a more autonomy for, uh, Palestinians in the West Bank, that is going to be, uh, something that the Israeli security forces are going to be, uh, entirely in.

01:03:25.760 And you have to, if you're going to look for a potential diplomatic solution in the future of this very long conflict, uh, that's going to be part of it.

01:03:35.040 It's not going to be fantasy land where you can just imagine, let's just have a quick snap election, see who wins and they can do whatever they want.

01:03:42.540 That's not how that's going to look like.

01:03:44.620 Yeah, we tried that and it failed.

01:03:46.520 The talk of having the UN run the new Gaza Camille is a joke.

01:03:50.620 The UN, they support Hamas.

01:03:53.400 I mean, they're, they've made very clear.

01:03:55.620 So, but, but here's what, here's what concerns me right now, among other things.

01:03:59.900 I feel like the pro Hamas side is making inroads there.

01:04:06.380 The polls show the vast majority of Americans support Israel, but they, in the wake of the bombing campaign, the retaliatory bombing campaign by Israel,

01:04:14.860 these Hamas groups and their sympathizers are very, very skilled propagandists and they're everywhere.

01:04:22.940 That's why it's one of the reasons it's bothering me.

01:04:24.480 We don't see like the pro Israel crowd out there on the streets.

01:04:27.680 They're everywhere with these chants and all over the world, we see these protests.

01:04:32.080 So what happens now?

01:04:34.080 Israel goes in there.

01:04:35.140 It does what it must do for justice and to restore its own safety.

01:04:38.480 It's the willing, the ability of its own citizens to live in peace.

01:04:42.160 And that's going to take a while, whether it's a ground invasion or something else, it's going to take a while and it's going to be very deadly on both sides.

01:04:50.240 And the public sentiment is going to build against Israel because not everybody's doing what we're doing.

01:04:56.080 And the young people in this country on the college campuses are at least 50% against Israel.

01:05:00.400 And so how does it land?

01:05:02.280 And, you know, so it's over.

01:05:04.020 Israel is likely to win, given its military superiority, of course, this barring the meaningful involvement of third parties on the other side.

01:05:13.240 And then it really will be an occupier of Gaza, which it wasn't.

01:05:17.680 And the groundswell of hate built because now it's killed even more Palestinians.

01:05:23.240 And understandably, I understand why.

01:05:25.580 But I just see this going down a path that is unwinnable.

01:05:29.140 Yeah, the thing about the empty slogans at this point, like two-state solution, that is so frustrating is that it bypasses all of the complexity that Matt was just alluding to a moment ago, the geopolitical circumstance.

01:05:46.040 We shouldn't forget that a tremendous part of the reason why Hamas decided to launch this particular offensive at this time is because of the inroads that were being made with respect to trying to normalize relationships between Saudi Arabia and the Israelis.

01:06:04.340 Like this two-state solution just kind of leaps many, many steps ahead.

01:06:08.960 They need partners in the region that can help them navigate an incredibly difficult, complicated situation in Gaza.

01:06:15.660 And at the moment, those partners essentially or potential partners run away from the table, are endorsing what are obvious conspiracy theories about imagined attacks that have happened in one place.

01:06:28.920 And miraculously, they have a detailed accounting of exactly who was killed moments after an attack takes place.

01:06:36.620 And no one is suspicious of this.

01:06:39.060 It is a deeply frustrating situation.

01:06:41.900 We certainly need better reporting on this from a national journalism standpoint.

01:06:47.420 But the reality is that on the ground, in the region, there is simply no sane accounting of just who the bad actors are in the region.

01:07:00.080 The kind of carnage that's taking place in the Saudi conflict, in the Saudi's conflicts in the regions, in Syria, in various other places where plenty of Arab Muslim people are dying as a result of these ongoing conflicts in recent years.

01:07:22.380 And there's been nothing like the outcry that we've seen associated with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

01:07:27.640 I don't know how we tamp things down so we can get to a reasonable conversation about what can be done here.

01:07:33.860 But one has to accept that the status quo before these attacks took place in Gaza wasn't tenable, but it certainly wasn't the aspiration of some aggressive, horrible apartheid regime that was simply motivated by contempt and hatred.

01:07:49.580 It is an untenable, very strained national security situation for the Israelis.

01:07:56.460 And someone actually has to help them resolve this.

01:07:59.600 If the Palestinians are going to elect Hamas, that's not a partner that the Israelis can work with.

01:08:05.060 They're going to need someone to help them navigate the situation.

01:08:07.720 So I do hope someone rises to the occasion, perhaps the Egyptians, but I'm not holding out hope at the moment.

01:08:13.880 And the piece that existed on October 6th was an illusion.

01:08:18.820 It was a mirage.

01:08:20.520 You know, it didn't exist at all.

01:08:22.060 And so, yeah, there's no going back.

01:08:23.860 I do want to spend one minute on some politics here because Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor, this is unbelievable.

01:08:31.280 Did you guys see this?

01:08:32.420 He dropped a piece in Foreign Affairs magazine.

01:08:34.300 And it's incredible what he wrote.

01:08:39.520 And they allowed him to go back and scrub it for the online version.

01:08:45.560 So the print piece was released and then they allowed him.

01:08:49.420 This is how we know the differences between the two to go back and scrub the online version of what he had said prior to the attack on the Israelis.

01:08:59.100 And I'm just going to give you a couple of, OK, the deputy editor of Tablet magazine posted all this on X, Jeremy Stern, what he calls deleted gems from the original.

01:09:13.320 OK, this is what Jake Sullivan, our National Security Advisor, was saying right before the terrorist attack on Israel.

01:09:20.320 Things like the Israeli-Palestinian situation is tense.

01:09:24.000 Yes.

01:09:24.320 OK, good.

01:09:24.780 Particularly in the West Bank.

01:09:26.080 You're close.

01:09:26.760 But in the face of serious frictions, we have de-escalated crises in Gaza.

01:09:32.880 Jake.

01:09:33.640 Wow.

01:09:34.240 OK.

01:09:34.800 It's tense in the West Bank in particular.

01:09:36.840 But in Gaza, things have de-escalated.

01:09:39.120 Wrong, wrong and wrong.

01:09:41.580 And restored direct diplomacy between the parties after years of its absence.

01:09:46.320 My God.

01:09:47.280 He goes on.

01:09:48.500 When Biden became president, U.S. troops were under regular attack in Iraq and Syria.

01:09:53.440 Such attacks, at least for now, have largely stopped.

01:09:55.400 We know from reporting this week, we had two dozen service members hurt by drones that went

01:10:01.300 over our bases in the wake of this terrorist attack in those exact places.

01:10:05.640 Another fail.

01:10:07.240 Biden's disciplined approach frees up resources for other global priorities.

01:10:13.100 It reduces the risk of new Middle Eastern conflicts and ensures the U.S.

01:10:17.840 interests are protected on a far more sustainable basis.

01:10:21.180 Wrong, wrong and wrong.

01:10:23.180 And then we have this.

01:10:25.420 We have acted militarily to protect U.S. personnel and we have enhanced deterrence.

01:10:29.940 We have enhanced deterrence combined with diplomacy to discourage further Iranian aggression.

01:10:38.880 He ends with the region.

01:10:41.140 All this deleted.

01:10:42.580 Foreign Affairs allowed him to delete this from the online version.

01:10:45.680 The region is quieter than it has been for decades.

01:10:50.100 The progress is fragile, to be sure.

01:10:53.740 Oh, Jake, truer words never spoken there.

01:10:56.740 But it is also not an accident.

01:10:59.040 Biden's approach returns discipline to U.S. policy.

01:11:02.460 It emphasizes deterring aggression, de-escalating conflicts and integrating the region.

01:11:08.020 Yay, kumbaya.

01:11:09.540 We found peace in the Middle East.

01:11:11.780 Go us.

01:11:13.140 And then it's a record scratch and the press saying, we'll help you out, brother.

01:11:17.740 We'll just delete, delete, delete, delete backspace.

01:11:20.500 So what do you guys think of it?

01:11:22.380 I mean, if that, by the way, that's just an admission of failure.

01:11:25.540 It said we, this is what we're planning on doing.

01:11:27.680 And then, oh, by the way, none of it happened.

01:11:29.340 If these people were halfway honest, which, of course, they're not, which is why they work

01:11:32.640 in Washington, D.C., he would actually go back to this and say, here is where actually

01:11:37.320 we got this totally wrong.

01:11:38.480 I would admire that.

01:11:39.660 Somebody said, this is what it was before.

01:11:41.620 And this is actually what happened.

01:11:43.100 And these are the signs we missed.

01:11:44.860 The Israeli government, the IDF, the Mossad, Shin Bet, they're all having to deal with this

01:11:50.100 now.

01:11:50.500 And they're saying, we're going to put this to the side of the moment and try to, you

01:11:53.740 know, go into Gaza and actually do what we need to do.

01:11:57.300 The thing that nobody points out, and these guys don't point out.

01:11:59.920 Can I just say something quickly, Monahan?

01:12:01.780 He did add an addendum, which doesn't say any of that.

01:12:05.860 It doesn't say that.

01:12:07.180 It only pulls out a couple of those choice phrases like, I said the progress was fragile,

01:12:13.000 that perennial changes, challenges remained.

01:12:17.100 And says, you know, the October 7th attacks have cast a shadow over the entire regional picture.

01:12:22.600 So he's basically saying those couple phrases I put in there as a CYA, I covered it.

01:12:27.480 I had it.

01:12:28.040 I understood everything.

01:12:28.800 So I didn't suspect that when I read that, that fragile would possibly translate to the

01:12:34.000 largest bloodletting in the Jewish state since its existence.

01:12:38.180 But maybe I'm misreading the word fragile.

01:12:40.280 The thing that none of these people are talking about is you hear a phrase all the time.

01:12:44.420 And I doubt the truth of this, but it's broadly true that the population of Gaza, 50%,

01:12:49.700 is under the age of 18.

01:12:52.360 It's a very young population.

01:12:53.980 We'll just put it that way.

01:12:54.760 After World War II, we did something called denazification.

01:12:58.580 And the idea was that people had been so polluted by Nazi ideology that to get them on the track

01:13:03.500 to democracy was going to be a difficult road.

01:13:06.020 And we actually had to actively engage with democratic concepts when people who had been destroyed, overwhelmed and accepted fascism.

01:13:14.840 We have a country here where we talk desperately all the time about what kids are reading in school, books are reading in school.

01:13:20.880 How do people do what we saw them do on video?

01:13:26.700 How do they make a call?

01:13:28.060 And I'm sure, Megan, you heard this and your listeners have probably heard it,

01:13:30.780 of the guy who used the phone of somebody that they murdered to call his father and say,

01:13:36.760 Papa, aren't you proud of me?

01:13:38.420 I killed 10 Jews with my bare hands.

01:13:41.280 He's ecstatic.

01:13:42.840 How is that jubilant?

01:13:44.420 He's jubilant.

01:13:45.140 How does one make peace with a population of people under the age of 18, 50 percent?

01:13:52.280 Hamas has been in power since they took over with a plurality, not even a majority, in 2006,

01:13:57.880 and then never had another election.

01:13:59.780 And if you watch Al-Aqsa TV and see what people are absorbing in schools, it's genocidal anti-Semitism.

01:14:07.680 How does one deal with that as opposed to these stupid Jake Sullivan platitudes about,

01:14:13.800 well, we're doing this and we're doing that and then blink.

01:14:17.100 And then you have 1,400 people murdered in one of the largest pogroms in the largest pogrom in the 21st century, for sure.

01:14:23.620 Mm-hmm.

01:14:25.280 You know, and then there's back at home, guys, right, where we see, you mentioned the posters,

01:14:30.380 Welsh, you know, being torn down.

01:14:31.880 We've seen that.

01:14:32.460 We've seen the protests as well.

01:14:33.880 We've seen little incidents that which just show disgusting anti-Semitism.

01:14:39.580 There's no other word for what we see.

01:14:41.980 Time and time again, this is one loser, obviously.

01:14:46.680 But just think about being this woman in this exchange where the guy

01:14:49.220 took over the bike lane that she was in with her kid, her toddler, from the look of it.

01:14:54.540 You saw this yesterday on X.

01:14:56.840 We pulled it at SOT 13.

01:15:02.400 All I'm asking you to do is move out of the bike lane.

01:15:06.780 No, of course not.

01:15:07.860 But that's just the law.

01:15:10.700 It's not safe.

01:15:11.580 I don't want to go into the conjure floor lane.

01:15:15.340 I understand that.

01:15:17.200 I am, in fact.

01:15:19.220 I knew it.

01:15:22.780 I knew it.

01:15:23.940 I knew it.

01:15:24.680 I knew it.

01:15:25.320 I knew you was a Jew.

01:15:28.360 You people are the devil.

01:15:30.500 Now we're going.

01:15:31.440 I knew it.

01:15:32.900 You are the devil.

01:15:34.160 Now we're going.

01:15:34.780 Hey, bruh.

01:15:35.560 Get your care of, bruh.

01:15:36.940 She is trans.

01:15:38.200 This is why you're doing this, because you think you're a type.

01:15:40.720 I, I just feel, I realize there's anti-Semites out there, but like, I don't think this guy

01:15:47.940 would have been like, are you a Jew two weeks ago?

01:15:51.220 It's building.

01:15:52.540 It's like spreading.

01:15:53.720 It's, it's like a contagion right now.

01:15:57.200 It, I can't believe how loud that laugh was.

01:16:01.880 Yeah.

01:16:02.180 That felt like a stage laugh.

01:16:04.160 It was a stage laugh.

01:16:04.780 That's a, that's not a laugh of a man who is unconfident about his views being at least

01:16:12.260 tolerable out there.

01:16:13.780 This happened to me the other night.

01:16:15.020 I was walking down Fulton street here in Brooklyn, New York.

01:16:18.200 Um, and, um, as, uh, these guys on the street, uh, doing some kind of preaching, I believe

01:16:23.560 they were black Israelites.

01:16:24.960 Um, uh, and at some point we're walking down and they're like, uh, Hey, uh, uh, uh, Israel.

01:16:31.780 Yes.

01:16:32.100 Israel.

01:16:32.460 No, Israel or Hamas.

01:16:33.680 And we're like, Oh, um, Hamas, we like Hamas, just like yelling, laughing, carrying on

01:16:43.800 having a good time.

01:16:44.600 Um, I tend to look at all of what's happened, um, in addition to the human scale tragedy

01:16:50.080 and everything else that we've talked about, uh, but it's like a margin call on institutions,

01:16:54.540 on individuals, on the media, certainly.

01:16:58.180 Um, but it's suddenly will smoke out what has been happening.

01:17:01.660 Um, and what kind of concepts have been sort of bubbling up on challenged.

01:17:05.680 Um, this also happened in September 11th and elsewhere.

01:17:09.080 And to be clear, that margin call can be answered by people who have the correct moral outrage

01:17:14.100 right now, but then back a bunch of policies that turned out to be really bad, as I think

01:17:18.000 happened after September 11th as well.

01:17:19.940 So this works in a lot of different ways, but on a basic moral way, uh, we are seeing

01:17:24.920 a margin call and discovering that there is some out and proud antisemitism in this country

01:17:30.660 to a degree that I think has been surprising to most people, except those who've been obsessing

01:17:37.360 over, especially left-wing antis, but not only, uh, antisemitism over the last several years.

01:17:42.860 Those people are doing a kind of, I told you so these days, uh, it is shocking to, to hear

01:17:48.260 and back.

01:17:53.580 Oh, Welsh froze.

01:17:56.340 All right, stand by.

01:17:57.320 We're going to go get him back.

01:17:58.580 Um, it's fine.

01:17:59.500 Cause I wanted to ask Camille a question anyway.

01:18:01.140 Matt was getting boring.

01:18:02.400 Um, JK love him.

01:18:06.460 Um, let's talk about what's happening on the college campuses, Camille, because

01:18:10.360 the, of course we're showing this, you know, the guy on the bike and we're showing stuff

01:18:14.980 that's happening overseas and we're showing what's happening at the New York university,

01:18:18.300 uh, that, you know, Cooper union, but at New York university, NYU, it's a weird kind

01:18:24.080 of ground zero in some of this.

01:18:25.280 It and you pen have been embarrassed along with Harvard, probably more than any other

01:18:29.040 institution.

01:18:29.920 That's saying something, uh, we saw the other day, NYU students staging a pro Hamas walkout.

01:18:36.080 I'll show you a little bit of that before I get to the latest on right now at workman.

01:18:39.320 Here's the walkout.

01:18:40.340 So at 17.

01:18:55.280 Oh, so there you have it.

01:19:07.960 We don't want no Jewish state.

01:19:09.420 We want all of it.

01:19:10.880 I mean, I'm thinking maybe the two state solution is not really what's going to solve it for

01:19:15.180 them, Camille, but the college campuses are out of control and those are our future leaders.

01:19:21.740 And before I toss it to you, I want to show you Rhino, Rhino workman.

01:19:26.300 Rhino is the woman.

01:19:28.460 She wants me to go by they it's a no.

01:19:31.840 Um, and she's the one who was the president of the student bar association at NYU law,

01:19:37.760 whose immediate action or reaction as they were still collecting the bodies in Israel was to

01:19:43.360 blame Israel entirely for everything who had then her Winston and straw associate offer

01:19:50.340 withdrawn.

01:19:51.560 She had been a summer associate.

01:19:52.980 She got an offer.

01:19:54.000 They withdrew it when they saw her horrible statements right on.

01:19:57.660 I support them.

01:19:58.700 And is she humbled?

01:20:00.720 Is she having second thoughts about her positions now that she's lost this opportunity and she's

01:20:05.460 become the scourge of people paying attention?

01:20:08.540 Well, you tell me here she is on ABC on Tuesday.

01:20:12.520 Do you condemn Hamas's actions on October 7th?

01:20:17.660 I think what I use my platform for and who I condemn was pretty clear by my message.

01:20:22.300 And I think that I will continue to condemn apartheid and military occupation.

01:20:26.520 And that in this moment, I'm focused on calling for an anti genocide and calling for an immediate

01:20:31.320 ceasefire.

01:20:33.400 She's right.

01:20:34.360 She was clear the first time.

01:20:35.720 You can give her that point.

01:20:37.140 She was.

01:20:37.560 Wow.

01:20:40.720 We just had a conversation with Greg Lukianoff, the CEO of FIRE, and I'm on the board at FIRE.

01:20:46.500 So he pays very close attention to what's happening here on all sides and has for a very long time

01:20:52.100 been kind of detailing the rot on various college campuses.

01:20:56.280 And I think it is entirely appropriate, perhaps not even appropriate.

01:20:59.960 It is necessary for us to spend a fair amount of time talking about the rank and anti-Semitism

01:21:05.200 that we're seeing, the degree to which these ideas are being taken on board.

01:21:10.540 But I think it's also really important to pay special attention to the fact that it really

01:21:16.560 does seem that there is something socially, culturally, and even institutionally that has

01:21:22.380 allowed for us to see a generation of young people, perhaps certainly, I think, wide swaths

01:21:28.960 of the American populace, be conditioned in such a way that they apparently can take any number of

01:21:34.560 really bad ideas on board, and suddenly they become the most important and urgent concern of their lives.

01:21:41.420 They don't have any, perhaps, experience or knowledge of the geopolitical situation in the

01:21:45.780 Middle East.

01:21:46.240 But suddenly, after just a little bit of priming, they find themselves able to recite an entire

01:21:54.640 dossier of horrible crimes that have been committed by one side, but certainly that could justify

01:22:01.780 just about anything on the other side.

01:22:03.720 We've seen a pretty steady increase in the percentage of people who will report to pollsters

01:22:09.580 that they believe that at some point political violence is justified.

01:22:14.740 People who insist that they feel uncomfortable sharing their honest opinions on college campuses.

01:22:20.780 Those conditions have helped to create the circumstance that we find ourselves in today.

01:22:25.500 And the way that we respond to that, I think, is incredibly important.

01:22:29.200 It is worth acknowledging that one of the things that was most egregious about what was happening

01:22:36.280 during 2020 when left-wing protesters were kind of taking over certain areas is that they

01:22:42.200 were kind of fundamentalist, that they were uncompromising, that there was a pretty determined

01:22:48.640 effort to eviscerate any distinction between people who had genuinely bad ideas and people

01:22:54.560 who kind of on the margins just disagreed with something politically or disagreed with something

01:23:00.560 philosophically on very virtuous and noble grounds.

01:23:03.020 And I think respecting that difference is absolutely vital and important, being wary of sort of blacklist

01:23:10.500 campaigns that have spun up in recent weeks to identify, in some cases, entire groups of

01:23:16.920 people, anyone even tangentially associated with an organization and say, we won't hire those

01:23:21.660 people.

01:23:22.640 I think that there's a mistake in doing that.

01:23:25.040 But when you see someone who is committed to particular ugly ideas, who is committed to

01:23:32.880 kind of xenophobic notions, who's committed to, say, the annihilation of a particular nation

01:23:40.120 state and who knows, the wholesale removal of a population from an area, like that is something

01:23:46.460 that's disconcerting.

01:23:47.740 And if an individual company is making a determination that they don't want people like that working

01:23:52.200 for them, it makes a hell of a lot of sense.

01:23:54.580 But what's imperative is to be very specific and detailed when you are rejecting people

01:23:59.500 on those grounds and not to simply engage in these categorical denunciations that are vague

01:24:06.400 and nonspecific.

01:24:07.680 Someone made an intolerant statement and then you never find out what the intolerant statement

01:24:12.620 is.

01:24:13.100 So I hope that as we are navigating these things and as universities do and as people

01:24:18.340 of good conscience do, that we'll always make it a point to draw lines, to make the

01:24:23.680 distinctions where other people haven't.

01:24:26.480 Because there's a real risk of falling into a situation where we're just kind of exchanging

01:24:32.240 categorical denunciations and things beget this kind of, begetting this kind of reactionary

01:24:38.300 spiral.

01:24:38.700 And I don't want to see that either, as much as I am inclined to see us genuinely confront

01:24:44.540 the, again, really ugly specter of anti-Semitism in our midst.

01:24:49.020 And I think it's real and it's tangible.

01:24:50.940 But I do think it's possible to maintain concern about both things.

01:24:55.240 I mean, I agree with you that just because you may have been part of a group that signed

01:24:59.440 one of these letters, that doesn't necessarily mean you should never be hired.

01:25:02.800 But the people who actually signed the letters, the people who pushed those letters, denouncing

01:25:07.260 Israel and only Israel, as they were still counting the number of babies dead, they can

01:25:12.560 F off.

01:25:13.280 I never.

01:25:14.040 I want to know their names.

01:25:15.340 I will never hire them.

01:25:16.620 Rhino Workman, who is in my former field as a lawyer.

01:25:21.240 Good luck.

01:25:22.700 Winston and Strawn's not the only one who's not going to hire you.

01:25:25.820 No one is going to hire you other than those lunatics at the UN Human Rights Council that

01:25:31.260 maybe they'll want you.

01:25:32.440 But like individuals like that who have outed themselves as these look at her.

01:25:36.480 Here she is.

01:25:37.260 She's doing she's doing well.

01:25:38.660 She's favorite thing of pulling down the posters here.

01:25:41.960 She's in brown here for the viewers who are watching this at home.

01:25:45.500 She's pulling down the posters.

01:25:47.620 There she is.

01:25:49.020 She doesn't want you to see or think about the children or the innocence being held hostage

01:25:55.240 in.

01:25:56.240 And I want to know who the girl next to her is to these.

01:25:58.760 There is zero chance of me hiring these girls.

01:26:04.120 I hope no one hires them.

01:26:06.180 I am 100% in favor of them suffering when it comes to gainful employment that I am like

01:26:12.280 really firm on it.

01:26:13.560 There's a difference between having a one side, having more sympathies towards one side

01:26:19.000 and this to you and supporting terror.

01:26:22.120 That's what they're doing.

01:26:23.580 They're supporting terror.

01:26:25.320 However, you've got to have a screw loose loose.

01:26:28.680 You're a nutcase if that's what you say in the face of the stories that we're presenting

01:26:33.980 to just say, no, it's all Israel's fault.

01:26:37.520 Go Hamas.

01:26:38.580 That's what they're saying, Moynihan.

01:26:39.700 I'm I'm I mean, it's you know, it's it's often overlooked, too, that when these people

01:26:45.700 are having job offers withdrawn, that this is framed as a speech issue.

01:26:49.960 OK, I'm willing to to to have that conversation.

01:26:53.260 But the action of pulling people's posters down, by the way, is itself a speech issue.

01:26:58.100 You're trying to kind of squelch somebody else else's spirit.

01:27:01.780 Put a poster next to it.

01:27:03.100 You want to put a Hamas poster up?

01:27:04.560 Fine.

01:27:04.980 You want to look as if a psycho.

01:27:07.020 And by the way, the prevalence of this stuff, the ubiquity of this stuff.

01:27:10.960 Matt saw it the other day.

01:27:12.200 I saw it last week.

01:27:13.960 I was walking down Madison Avenue.

01:27:15.320 I have a witness and the witness is a woman that had to restrain me, which is why I didn't

01:27:20.400 do anything.

01:27:21.000 Seeing a woman tearing these posters down and she looked at me and she said, Michael.

01:27:25.120 And I said, I know I'm going to go to jail.

01:27:26.520 So just let's just get on the subway and just because there's no one else around.

01:27:30.320 It wasn't like a mob.

01:27:31.240 It was just it would have been a bad scene.

01:27:32.840 But I saw this the other day.

01:27:34.420 Camille can acknowledge the fact that when I used to live in South Williamsburg, because

01:27:39.020 I don't just pretend, Megan, I live amongst the Hasidim.

01:27:42.220 I am the Shabbos Goy.

01:27:45.640 I am there for their protection.

01:27:47.560 It's true.

01:27:47.960 Camille turned up a lot of lights on Saturdays.

01:27:50.560 Which, by the way, I did one time when I was very drunk.

01:27:54.200 I was pulled in and they said, are you Jewish?

01:27:56.140 And my response was, I don't know.

01:27:58.120 In certain times, this answer is different.

01:28:00.880 I mean, if it's right now, no.

01:28:04.320 But I was a Shabbos Goy.

01:28:06.080 But Camille left my apartment one night after we had been recording an episode of The Fifth

01:28:10.260 Column and he ran into somebody screaming anti-Semitic things at a Hasidic person walking

01:28:16.340 by and was texting me and he said, I'm down the street.

01:28:19.020 This is happening right now.

01:28:20.360 And it's an incredible thing to me because when you have a handful of complete psycho

01:28:25.320 yahoos at Charlottesville saying Jews will not replace us, that dominated conversation

01:28:31.080 about the American political landscape for many, many years.

01:28:36.260 And that was like, look, I'm sorry to say they're they're fringe people.

01:28:40.580 People can make the argument that that, you know, Donald Trump said both sides.

01:28:43.700 He actually did denounce them, which, you know, Camille likes to point out.

01:28:46.760 But he did actually deny he did denounce them.

01:28:48.940 And, you know, after Trump's election in 2016, it was every story, most of which were not

01:28:55.420 corroborated and a lot of which turned out to be fake of people being attacked because

01:29:00.000 now the climate is such where we can just attack minorities.

01:29:04.500 That is actually happening now.

01:29:06.060 And we're seeing it every day in the glee with which people are doing it on camera.

01:29:11.580 And they don't care about the consequences.

01:29:13.820 Well, there are consequences.

01:29:15.540 And, you know, I'm here to deliver them.

01:29:18.120 And Megan Kelly is going to absolutely destroy it.

01:29:22.680 I'm trying to work for my company.

01:29:23.620 I'm trying to work for Dan Bongino.

01:29:25.440 Good luck.

01:29:26.080 They need a Dan Bongino inside that line.

01:29:27.560 I know that they were absolutely sending you lots of resumes, Megan, on the Palestinian

01:29:33.280 Solidarity Committee mass test.

01:29:34.660 They should want to.

01:29:35.380 I pay well and I offer great promotions.

01:29:37.980 But hey, I could work here.

01:29:40.160 No, but the thing is, is the difference is we see people that have like an NHL contract

01:29:45.300 and somebody goes in a fence archaeology sifting through the past and finds a video of them

01:29:50.700 rapping to fucking Jay-Z.

01:29:52.700 Sorry about my language.

01:29:53.740 But rapping to Jay-Z and then they can't play professional hockey anymore.

01:29:57.380 It is rather different to say, we know we have boundaries.

01:30:02.220 There are boundaries.

01:30:03.120 Cancel culture and boundaries are different.

01:30:04.560 If you have somebody saying, I really hate black people, no one's going to hire you and

01:30:09.000 nobody's going to cry for you.

01:30:10.460 No one.

01:30:11.680 Yeah.

01:30:12.140 Right.

01:30:12.520 Exactly.

01:30:12.800 If you were out there marching for the KKK, being like, there's only one solution.

01:30:17.760 Get rid of them all.

01:30:19.340 You would not be hireable.

01:30:21.320 That's what I see.

01:30:23.180 I'm not hiring those people.

01:30:24.660 I don't care.

01:30:25.560 I'll never have another Jewish employee again if I do.

01:30:28.100 How do I be like, let's have a company picnic.

01:30:30.800 Let's have a company holiday party.

01:30:32.420 It'll be great.

01:30:33.580 Talk all about our respective beliefs and break bread together.

01:30:36.520 Okay.

01:30:37.980 I just think that night in Williamsburg, I did intervene.

01:30:41.500 I didn't do this all morning.

01:30:43.300 Yes, you did.

01:30:43.760 I told the guy, cut that bullshit out.

01:30:45.580 Get the hell out of here.

01:30:46.660 Yes.

01:30:46.860 And I made sure that he left the scene.

01:30:48.820 He did.

01:30:49.280 So I did.

01:30:50.360 I actually do what I'm preaching.

01:30:53.280 Yes, you did.

01:30:54.320 This is true.

01:30:55.280 I can confirm this.

01:30:56.180 He did code switch and become very tough.

01:30:59.880 Very tough.

01:31:01.260 I did code switch.

01:31:02.140 I appreciate it.

01:31:03.860 For whatever reason, I'm a little less articulate.

01:31:05.640 This is not a comment on you, Moynihan.

01:31:08.120 I miss our manly men.

01:31:10.360 It's not a comment on you, Moynihan.

01:31:11.640 But I miss our manly men who will get in there and be like-

01:31:14.320 Megan.

01:31:15.620 I was going to, but there was another manly thing at play.

01:31:19.180 I was with a woman who was like, I'm going to leave if you do this.

01:31:22.360 And I'm like, well, at the same time, I mean, I have other interests.

01:31:28.320 I see.

01:31:29.620 I mean, if it was a physical assault, it would have been different.

01:31:32.160 Physical assault would have been different.

01:31:33.380 You have rage issues.

01:31:34.400 I do.

01:31:35.260 We need you on the street.

01:31:36.580 I have notorious rage issues.

01:31:38.260 And she knew that.

01:31:40.420 Notorious rage issues.

01:31:41.380 I know.

01:31:42.200 I've seen it.

01:31:42.660 Irish rage.

01:31:43.780 Yes.

01:31:44.580 That's also kind of sexy.

01:31:46.540 All right, stand by.

01:31:48.000 There we go.

01:31:48.580 I win.

01:31:48.860 I've got something very non-sexy.

01:31:52.360 But lighthearted to show you next.

01:31:54.360 Don't go away.

01:31:58.860 All right, guys.

01:31:59.720 So Moynihan's making reference to his love life.

01:32:02.220 And I got some help for you.

01:32:04.440 All right.

01:32:04.880 So this lovely lady decided to post on X where you should never take a woman on a first date.

01:32:13.420 Here's what she said.

01:32:14.640 Here's the lovely lady.

01:32:15.920 She's got a little fur coat.

01:32:16.960 She's trying to show off the round bottom.

01:32:18.860 Here is a list of places women.

01:32:20.320 I'm just trying to read the list.

01:32:20.720 Oh, she's in a bathroom, Debbie Murphy points out.

01:32:24.020 Yeah, this is inappropriate.

01:32:25.280 This is how I look in my bathroom.

01:32:26.760 I wear my fur coat and my hat.

01:32:31.820 Here is a list of places women absolutely refuse to go on a first date.

01:32:35.900 And thank you to the ladies who reached out to me to help me on my list.

01:32:39.820 I'm not going to do it all, but here's some examples.

01:32:42.240 Cheesecake Factory, Applebee's, Chili's, Chipotle, Olive Garden, the movies, Your House, that one I get, any fast food chain, Buffalo Wild Wings, Wingstop, Red Lobster, a buffet, IHOP, Denny's, the gym, maybe I will read them all, church, Starbucks, coffee dates, ice cream dates, family functions, movie night like Netflix, Hulu, et cetera.

01:33:02.620 Somewhere that requires a long drive, bowling, nightclubs, nightclubs, hookah bar, a bar just for drinks.

01:33:09.660 You cannot meet this woman if you want to just take her out at a bar just for drinks.

01:33:13.380 Waffle House sports events.

01:33:15.820 And to this, I say you go for high maintenance on date one.

01:33:19.920 You live with high maintenance the rest of your life.

01:33:23.220 Good luck to you, fellas.

01:33:24.920 Matt Walsh is back with us.

01:33:26.060 Your thoughts on that, sir?

01:33:27.360 Did she nail it?

01:33:29.080 As the great Iowa Hawk on Twitter points out, there's nothing more fun than to watch a generation that can't get a date sit around, try to create rules about the imaginary people who want to have some out on them.

01:33:41.800 I don't know what a date is, thank God, and I don't know which direction you're supposed to swipe, but it just sounds like a nightmare world right now of all kinds of rules.

01:33:56.280 I remember back in the prehistoric era when people like me were single, that one thing is we would meet people and talk to them in a real place, and that's how the thing would happen.

01:34:09.820 Like for coffee, or drinks, which she has barred, or like a good old hookup, you know, I don't, hookup, hookup.

01:34:17.760 Hookup, hookup bar, I don't know this one, I was, can I be honest, that I was maybe leaving the Upper East Side Buffalo Wild Wings on our way to church.

01:34:26.960 We were going to go to church and pray, and I was just going to pray that something good was going to happen after we left church, but, you know, that's just me.

01:34:34.260 I don't want to push that to anyone.

01:34:35.300 This, by the way, is a list that is so baffling to about, you know, 90% of the people I know, and I know that says a lot about my friends.

01:34:44.280 I don't think I've ever considered taking a date to Chipotle, which is, I mean, like, look, I know if you get, like, the queso, your mite score, who knows?

01:34:56.380 I don't know what happens these days, but I usually just go to bars, and we get drunk, and we argue about Israel and Palestine, and then I go home by myself.

01:35:05.080 Yeah, it's super hot.

01:35:06.500 Any girls out there, you see the video, you can send me a message.

01:35:09.860 The one, I do agree with the wings one, because no one looks hot eating wings, right?

01:35:15.980 It's like all over your hands, it's all over your mouth.

01:35:18.660 I just, like, that's not sexy, but I don't know, like, since when can you not go to a bar just for drinks?

01:35:25.180 I mean, that's what, that's more than anything is what tells me she's high maintenance, Camille, because she wants a dinner, she wants to make sure you spend.

01:35:32.280 I met my wife when she was 15 and I was 16.

01:35:37.620 We started dating when I was 17, when she was 16.

01:35:40.840 I don't understand how any of these things work.

01:35:43.560 We got married, I took her to all those places, and multiple times I've taken her to all those places, and it turned out fine.

01:35:50.660 I don't know what this young lady wants.

01:35:52.480 You have to be for something, sweetheart.

01:35:54.980 I imagine she actually, if that's a real picture, she probably doesn't have much trouble getting a date.

01:35:58.980 But, yeah, keeping a man around, like, the reason they won't stay, boo-boo, is because of you.

01:36:05.380 It is work on yourself.

01:36:08.020 Introspection.

01:36:08.580 You're welcome.

01:36:10.700 You're welcome.

01:36:11.360 Little wisdom from the fifth column.

01:36:13.600 Guys, you're the best.

01:36:14.600 Thanks for being here.

01:36:16.020 Thank you.

01:36:16.620 Be the fifth.

01:36:17.140 Thank you, Megan.

01:36:17.940 That's substack.com.

01:36:19.280 Bye, guys.

01:36:19.900 We'll see you all tomorrow with Jesse Kelly and more.

01:36:25.840 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

01:36:27.780 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - October 26, 2023

Jews Shelter From NYC Anti-Israel Protesters, and Biden's Middle East Failures, with the Fifth Column Hosts ｜ Ep. 656

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