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00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.160 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:00:16.240 Coming up later in the show, we are going to end this week with some much-needed laughs and a heartfelt conversation

00:00:21.540 with stand-up comedian Jim Brewer, former Saturday Night Live alum.

00:00:26.180 He is such a thoughtful guy. It's been a pleasure preparing for this interview with him.

00:00:31.520 I think you're going to love him. Not only is he very funny, he's not afraid of a little controversy.

00:00:36.860 My kind of guy? This is a guy who refused to do stand-up routines in venues that wouldn't allow you in if you were unvaccinated

00:00:44.220 because he didn't think it was fair. He's not afraid to take a stand, and he will be here in just a little bit.

00:00:50.600 But first, we're going to start today with the latest developments in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial.

00:00:54.040 Late yesterday, the prosecution submitted into evidence a new photo of Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:01:00.540 This is what they believe is, pardon the term, their smoking gun from the night of the shootings.

00:01:06.280 They actually just got their hands on this evidence and are trying to make a big deal out of it.

00:01:10.700 Lawyer Andrew Branca, who's been really such a smart commentator on this case, I read him over at Legal Insurrection,

00:01:17.800 he specializes in self-defense. He's been following every single development in this thing from the beginning.

00:01:21.840 He called the photo the prosecution's last desperate lunge for evidence of guilt.

00:01:26.920 And speaking of desperate lunges, we're going to get into the media's latest smearing of Rittenhouse.

00:01:32.380 My God, they've been terrible, terrible. I mean, especially terrible on this case.

00:01:38.300 Plus, Kyle Rittenhouse's mom has a new message for President Biden about a tweet he sent out last year about her son.

00:01:45.720 Talk about rushing to judgment. The now president of the United States, then a candidate, labeled her son a white supremacist.

00:01:55.120 This is where we are, right? Like, no need for a trial. I'll just tell you who he is.

00:01:59.160 What does he know? He doesn't know anything.

00:02:01.320 Joining me now to discuss all of it, former prosecutor, current criminal defense attorney,

00:02:04.660 a longtime friend and guest of Kelly's court, Mark Eichler. Mark, good to see you.

00:02:10.100 So this the trial appears to be I mean, they both rested.

00:02:16.260 The defense rested. It's over. And now they're instructing.

00:02:20.240 They're coming up with the jury instructions, which are going to be super important, given all the self-defense issues going on here.

00:02:25.320 Let's just start with that, because Kyle Rittenhouse's whole defense is not that he didn't do it.

00:02:29.200 It's that he did it in self-defense. And I wonder how like what goes into those jury instructions is going to make or break this case,

00:02:37.300 because it's the it's the prosecution's burden to prove that he didn't do it in self-defense.

00:02:44.540 It's not his burden to prove that he did. Right. All right.

00:02:49.140 So I've tried over 150 jury trials and I always look at the jurors when the instructions are being read.

00:02:53.780 They barely are listening. It's legal mumbo jumbo. It's not written for them.

00:02:59.920 They go back to basics. Was he justified in shooting?

00:03:04.420 Are we going to convict this teenager by finding that it wasn't reasonable for him to shoot?

00:03:12.100 And the answer is no. I think this case ended, quite frankly, once the state said, judge, we rest our case.

00:03:17.420 I didn't think the defense needed to call the defendant.

00:03:20.160 But when they did and they took that extraordinary risk, they crushed the prosecutor.

00:03:26.300 Mm hmm. Right. Exactly. The prosecution, it was already floundering.

00:03:31.080 He hadn't won. I think he knows he's losing.

00:03:33.960 So he rest his case and the defense decided to put Kyle on the stand.

00:03:37.560 And you tell me, but I feel like the case only got better for the defense at that point forward.

00:03:42.040 It did. And look, I've been at that situation so many times, like we're ahead, but you would be so

00:03:48.600 good on the stand, but you don't know what's going to happen. And it's so difficult. And I err on the

00:03:53.520 side of not having my clients take the witness stand because dopey things can come out of their

00:03:58.800 mouth innocently enough, like owning an AR-15 is cool. Like you just don't want that stuff to come

00:04:05.340 out. And that was probably the worst thing that came out of his mouth. But the truth of the matter is

00:04:08.900 he did wonderfully. I thought he absolutely was well-prepared. He seemed intelligent.

00:04:16.360 And by the way, I'm no fan of what he did. If this is my kid, I sit him down and I say,

00:04:21.140 what were you thinking? I mean, obviously I wouldn't let him have a gun like this and I

00:04:25.140 wouldn't let him go to the scene. I'm not a fan of him going there. I think that at a minimum,

00:04:29.720 had he not brought this serious weapon with him and been that predicament, he wouldn't be in the

00:04:34.680 current predicament that he's in. So I'm not a fan of what he did. But legally, I will not only

00:04:41.400 defend him, but say, hey, prosecutor, don't you know this case? If you know this case, why are you

00:04:47.380 bringing it? You wrote a column in the Daily Mail that was particularly strong worded, I thought for

00:04:53.940 you, because, you know, now you're you've been a prosecutor. But you said this prosecution

00:04:58.140 reeks of desperation and bad faith. Why do you think it's bad faith?

00:05:04.860 OK, so first I will say the following, and I really do say this with love. I think this

00:05:09.440 prosecutor's ego is not his amigo. I strongly believe that if he prepared his case properly

00:05:16.780 and spoke to all of the witnesses, he would have known that he does not have a likelihood

00:05:23.720 of prevailing, meaning that he cannot show that the defendant's actions were not justified under

00:05:30.500 the law. Therefore, putting politics aside, which is so hard to do in these high profile cases,

00:05:36.600 you then take a bullet. You announced, pardon the pun, you announced to the world,

00:05:41.380 I do not have a provable case. I will lose. Instead, he went forward, driven, I think, by ego and

00:05:47.460 politics. And now you can see his acts are are filled with desperation. Because can you explain

00:05:54.560 to the audience? We were talking about this a little yesterday. The job of the prosecutor is

00:05:59.040 very different from the job of the defense attorney. And by that, I don't just mean one's job is to put

00:06:03.580 somebody in jail and one's job is not. That's not the prosecution's job. He has a higher calling

00:06:08.600 and people need to remember that while watching him. Can you explain?

00:06:11.720 That's correct. When I was a prosecutor, my job was to seek the truth. I could not go forward on

00:06:20.160 cases, even though I'd have victims, families yelling at me, you know, the pressure is there,

00:06:25.680 the media is there. Sorry, I do not have proof beyond a reasonable doubt. That's the prosecutor's

00:06:31.380 role. Defense lawyer's role is quite different. We work within the rules. You can't go outside the

00:06:35.960 rules, although sometimes I stick my toes outside the rule for the benefit of my clients. But your job is

00:06:41.460 to acquit the defendant. It's not a seeking of truth. It's not about that. OJ is still, you know,

00:06:47.360 not innocent. He just wasn't found guilty. So the trials are not about the truth. And our roles are

00:06:52.960 very different. Mm hmm. That prosecutor has an obligation to seek justice. And if justice is

00:06:58.000 letting this charge go because it's not you don't have the proof or or the proof presented at trial

00:07:03.400 didn't go your way and you realize now this is not a just trial, then you're supposed to dismiss

00:07:08.360 the charges. You're not supposed to just take your chances with the jury. You're supposed to

00:07:11.720 recognize as you have this higher duty. You especially do not admit evidence that you know

00:07:20.060 should not be admitted, commenting on his right to remain silent. And worse, when there is a

00:07:25.480 pretrial order after extensive litigation on a motion to keep certain evidence out and the judge says

00:07:33.080 that will not come into evidence. How dare this prosecutor in the middle of trial, because I take

00:07:39.520 this stuff very seriously, then on his own introduce evidence that the judge previously dismissed. And his

00:07:46.920 argument is, well, they opened up the door. No, you go sidebar and you tell the judge, I think they

00:07:54.420 opened up the door. I now would like to get this evidence in, even though I know the court's ruling was

00:07:59.660 it should not come in. And Mark, you and I both practiced before judges for many years. Before I

00:08:03.980 did this job, I did it for 10 years. I was I was a lawyer and tried cases and was before appellate

00:08:08.340 courts and so on. If you ever crossed a judge like that, you would expect to get your ass handed to

00:08:15.120 you. So this judge was angry. And now you have people on the Internet saying that he's some sort of

00:08:21.200 a racist, that he's unfair, that he's putting his thumb on the scale, you know, against the

00:08:26.480 prosecution. It's like, do you understand how disrespectful and what a violation the prosecution

00:08:32.920 committed the other day? It's huge. Let me tell you why it's huge. I've been there. OK,

00:08:38.540 prosecutor knows the ship is sinking. He didn't prove this case. Maybe he counted on certain

00:08:43.500 things. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he thought things would go a certain way

00:08:46.880 and he was caught off guard. I don't think that's the case. I think he knew that this case couldn't

00:08:50.520 be one. And then he had a huge problem for him. Then after you invested all this time and energy

00:08:56.900 and money and emotion, you get all the way into the trial. The defense has to move for a mistrial

00:09:03.700 because then this issue is not preserved on appeal. So they have to move for a mistrial. But they don't

00:09:07.480 really want the trial to end. They know they're ahead. So he's put them in that predicament. He

00:09:12.560 doesn't care if this trial ends because he knows that's the best outcome for him. He knows he's not

00:09:17.080 winning it. How dare he violate the court's order? I take it so personally because I've been there.

00:09:23.260 How dare you put me in a position now I have to move for a mistrial? The only thing that's going

00:09:27.240 to make me happy is it's if it's with prejudice and it should be because your actions were deliberate

00:09:32.480 and you know what you did. And the judge, I guess he's holding off ruling. I think he probably wants

00:09:37.560 to see what the jury's going to do. If they acquit him, then there's there's no issue. He doesn't

00:09:41.180 have to grant it with prejudice because they're done. Mm hmm. So if the jury comes back with a verdict

00:09:45.640 finding Kyle Rittenhouse guilty, can the judge at that point say, no, I'm overruling you. I'm

00:09:52.140 ruling. I'm throwing this case out with prejudice. Yes. So he's still got that tool in his arsenal.

00:09:58.560 Of course, we're going to see riots in this case if Kyle Rittenhouse is acquitted and certainly if

00:10:03.400 he's found guilty and the judge overrules the guilty verdict. I mean, I just don't even think that

00:10:07.100 even this judge who's been very strong has the guts for that. I am totally OK with people voicing

00:10:12.520 their opinion. I'm totally OK with people who feel because I'm telling you, I feel this way

00:10:17.780 that he didn't do everything right. And the decisions that he made were not smart ones.

00:10:23.640 I don't love what he did leading up to the moment that he pulled the trigger. I zealously defend his

00:10:31.440 right to pull the trigger when he was in that predicament, when he reasonably feared death or

00:10:35.740 great bodily harm. So it's OK to say I'm not a full fan of what he did, but legally what he did

00:10:42.420 was justified. That's right. That's right. That's exactly right. So today, the so-called

00:10:47.800 I said smoking gun evidence is apparently there's drone footage of the night in question.

00:10:53.000 The prosecution just got its hands on it last Friday. This is the first time yesterday that

00:10:57.980 we've seen the image sort of. You can barely make out what they are trying to show us as their sort

00:11:04.420 of Perry Mason moment. I mean, I think it's a Hail Mary by this desperate prosecutor. But basically,

00:11:09.640 he put on a guy who enhances pictures for a living. And we're showing this now from folks

00:11:14.760 who want to see it later. Go to YouTube dot com slash Megan Kelly. You can see this part of the

00:11:17.620 discussion. And the small image is the one that they started with. The big image is their blown

00:11:23.380 up version of it. They claim it shows Kyle Rittenhouse. The first shooting was of a guy named

00:11:28.180 Rosenbaum. The reason Kyle shot him is among others. He was being chased by Rosenbaum. And then another

00:11:35.200 party shot a gun into the air. So Kyle turned around to see who was shooting at him. He sees

00:11:41.140 Rosenbaum lunging for his gun and yelling F you. And we know that from Richie McGinnis,

00:11:47.300 a third party witness, as well as from Kyle. And now the prosecution is trying to show us these

00:11:50.900 pictures to say it. They claim I can't see anything. But what they claim is it shows Kyle

00:11:56.240 with this AR-15 up against his shoulder pointing at the man who was firing the gun,

00:12:05.420 whose name escapes me at the moment. And it apparently because people have looked at this

00:12:10.060 much closer than I have say that the butt of the gun of the rifle is in Kyle's left shoulder,

00:12:15.400 Kyle's right handed. We can show you another picture of Kyle earlier just in a calm moment

00:12:19.740 posing with his AR-15 in which indeed the gun shows that it's to a right handed man. He's got the

00:12:25.200 butt of the gun against his right shoulder there. And so it doesn't even make sense that in the

00:12:29.440 moment he would be shooting, he would put the butt of the rifle up against his left shoulder.

00:12:32.780 But that's what the prosecution wants to show in an effort to try to prove he somehow fired

00:12:36.360 against Rosenbaum or his buddy moments before they fired on him. What do you make of it?

00:12:42.940 Okay. Comedians and they're set with their best stuff. They want to leave the best impression.

00:12:48.140 Similarly, that's what I did as a prosecutor and that's what prosecutors should do.

00:12:51.520 This is your best stuff. Really? This is what you're ending with?

00:12:54.840 Versus the defense who had Drew Hernandez calmly and intelligently explain that Rittenhouse

00:13:03.360 defused the situation. He was being attacked. This was the perfect ending. It was exactly what

00:13:09.120 this case was about. And it was very articulate and very clear and very credible. And I think that

00:13:15.060 this is, again, the act of a desperate prosecutor who I don't blame for putting that in. If your goal

00:13:21.680 is to do everything you possibly can to get your outcome, then sure, throw it in, but it's weak.

00:13:30.100 And they had a big argument about whether enlarging a small picture that much, because what happens is

00:13:36.200 like the computer fills in the pixelation around when you try to take everybody knows and you've got

00:13:40.460 you're looking at a picture on your phone and you're like, what is that on my face? And you zoom in

00:13:44.860 and then everything gets sort of blurry. And so the defense objected to this. The judge in the end

00:13:50.060 said, you can argue that to the jury. It's coming in. But to your point about Drew Hernandez, who's

00:13:54.180 works for a conservative news site, who was there and an eyewitness, listen to soundbite four of him.

00:13:59.940 Your contact with Kyle that evening was just in terms of what you observed, I'm asking. Did you

00:14:08.460 observe him acting in an aggressive manner to anyone that you observed? In no way, shape or form. The

00:14:13.940 first time I saw Kyle, he actually deescalated a situation. Did you observe him at any time that

00:14:20.800 evening pointing his firearm at anybody or threatening anybody with that firearm? No.

00:14:25.840 Yeah. So and they basically try to discredit him, Mark, by saying he works for a conservative news

00:14:31.740 site. And this is like political for him. Well, that's reasonable. I took his testimony and I

00:14:39.400 kind of reduced it a little bit because of that. I mean, there's no question he's not an unbiased

00:14:43.680 witness. That does matter. But his testimony looks strong, right on all fours on the issue that

00:14:50.660 they're trying to decide. And he was an unbelievably powerful witness for the defense.

00:14:54.820 Mm hmm. And there's no evidence he's making that up. I mean, it's like, OK, maybe he's rooting for

00:14:59.200 Kyle Rittenhouse, but he's he saw where's the evidence that he's making that up. Let's talk for

00:15:03.580 a minute about the media, the disgusting coverage of this. So before I get to them, I want to start

00:15:10.020 with the coverage of this by our president. When he was running for president, he did something really

00:15:14.740 egregious and he tweeted out a video that talked about white supremacy in America. And he showed a

00:15:21.080 picture of Kyle Rittenhouse. Here it is, if you can see it. That's his tweet. And he's showing this

00:15:28.720 kid who was 17 years old at the time of this photo. I'm telling you, this is deeply irresponsible of Joe

00:15:35.960 Biden, candidate or president. And Kyle Rittenhouse's mom gave her first interview on Cam last night to

00:15:41.680 Sean Hannity and spoke to that very photo. Here she is. This is soundbite two.

00:15:47.080 When I saw that, I wasn't shocked. I was angry. President Biden don't know my son

00:15:56.180 whatsoever. And he's not a white supremacist. He's not a racist. And he did that for the votes. And

00:16:08.260 I was so angry for a while at him and what he did to my son. He defamed him.

00:16:19.480 You know, Mark, there was a time when we didn't have politicians at that level do that kind of

00:16:23.680 thing because they realized you don't don't don't mess with the criminal justice system and somebody

00:16:28.480 who's on trial for his life and the prosecution trying to put this kid away for life. I miss those

00:16:33.240 days. Yeah, I'm going to say something that's kind of controversial and it relates to a case of mine.

00:16:38.380 I've got to get this off my chest. Same thing kind of happened when one of my clients, Scott Peterson,

00:16:44.840 who's what they call here, the alleged coward of Broward, who during the Marjorie Soman Douglas

00:16:49.460 shooting was the only armed guard. And they claim that he cowered in the corner and didn't go in to

00:16:54.200 kill the killer. In the interest of time, we could talk about it another time, all the details I'm

00:16:59.000 telling you, he's Snow White innocent. And after the press conference, just to clarify, we're talking

00:17:03.920 about the school shooting down in Florida, not Scott Peterson of the Lacey Peterson case out in

00:17:09.720 California. We're talking about that, the high school shooting that happened. And he's the guard

00:17:13.200 who got killed. I'm going to forgive me that wrong term, but just pilloried by the press for not running

00:17:17.880 in. Correct. He's got one T and Scott, the other one has two. Okay. Again, we will have another

00:17:24.020 discussion at some point if you'd like about that case. But I'm telling you, not just because I'm his

00:17:28.660 lawyer. I thought he was guilty too, before I ever met with him. I thought that the press made it very

00:17:34.200 clear that he was a coward and did nothing. It's just the opposite. Okay. So my client's innocent.

00:17:39.180 What killed me was that it went all the way up to Trump, who then hearing from the media, all this

00:17:46.380 stuff, then said things about my client that he's a coward. He doesn't care about kids. I see a direct

00:17:51.900 corollary in this case. Not only did Biden say those things, but everybody was saying things about

00:17:58.320 Rittenhouse because everybody's just passing around information that may or may not be true.

00:18:03.800 And that's what we live with today. So does it affect Rittenhouse? Of course it does.

00:18:08.580 Does it affect his mother? Of course it does. Does it affect me and my client? Yes. It's

00:18:13.100 fundamentally gross and unfair. The lesson is folks don't listen and believe, don't listen to

00:18:18.420 everything and don't believe everything you hear. And even now in the face of a trial that,

00:18:23.100 there's a left-wing commentator who's made news on Twitter today. He said, I was against

00:18:28.080 Rittenhouse. I followed the coverage. I didn't like what he did one bit, but I've watched this case

00:18:32.340 and I don't think you can convict this guy. I think this was self-defense. And he posted today

00:18:38.080 about how members of the media are calling him saying, was your account hacked? Did somebody

00:18:41.840 hack you? They can't understand how somebody, especially somebody left-leaning, would come to

00:18:47.500 an opposite conclusion of the one the media has in their heads. That was reflected somewhat,

00:18:51.460 I mean, just here's one example. This is The View yesterday. And Joy Behar, who knows absolutely

00:18:57.000 nothing about the law, giving her two cents on it, among others. Listen.

00:19:02.460 You say I'm trying to get to the police. Why were you trying to get to the police?

00:19:06.420 I didn't do anything wrong. I defended myself.

00:19:09.500 Oh, baloney. From what I'm gleaning from this case, the guy goes across state lines with an AR-15

00:19:14.460 with his mother and some other idiot in the car to defend himself against what?

00:19:20.520 They're having a protest in another state and he takes it upon himself to go there.

00:19:24.920 You know, and then he says it's self-defense. No. And that acting job of the crying, I can't even

00:19:30.680 look at it. And obviously they put him on the stand to emote and to do this.

00:19:36.000 Kyle Rittenhouse shot three people. Two were murdered. One was injured. So I wonder if he

00:19:42.380 is convicted of this, he now becomes a right-wing martyr. If he is freed, it's a message to others

00:19:48.720 like him that prison won't be in their future. Well, those crocodile tears are going to get him

00:19:53.080 off, I bet. Crocodile tears. Keith Olbermann yesterday tweeting out that this is a crisis actor.

00:20:00.060 No one, even Merriam-Webster. Do you see this? Merriam-Webster sent out a tweet

00:20:04.420 with the definition of crocodile tears, which, you know, okay, that, that, sorry,

00:20:09.400 definition of, yeah, crocodile tears. Well, you might think, okay, maybe they're just trying to

00:20:13.380 help people because that term's all over Twitter. But Merriam-Webster has constantly been weighing

00:20:16.900 in on sort of the liberal side of these public disputes. It's insane. How are you, how are you

00:20:22.060 fighting Merriam-Webster now as the defense attorney? I'm totally fine with all these people giving

00:20:28.000 their opinions. I really do believe that's what makes our country great. It makes me feel like,

00:20:32.660 wait a second, I'm alone in my thoughts sometime because, wow, all those people feel very differently.

00:20:38.120 I like that they're saying those things. The problem is it's so obvious to me, but not everyone

00:20:43.460 who's watching, that they're not really watching the case very closely, that they don't really,

00:20:47.640 really know what the facts are and apply it to the law. And that is fairly dangerous. It is because

00:20:52.680 it influenced the jury and it influences, you know, public opinion, which could cause rioting and

00:20:57.640 everything. That's, that's irresponsible. So here's a question for you. Speaking of the

00:21:01.400 terrible, awful Olbermann, and by the way, I mean, it's pretty egregious when you have CBS tweeting

00:21:06.300 out that he admitted, Kyle Rittenhouse admitted to two murders. That's not okay. That's, they had

00:21:11.960 to take it down. That's factually, factually inaccurate. And it's the kind of thing that gets

00:21:15.920 in people's heads who aren't paying close attention. And then they find out, wait, why, why did he get

00:21:21.140 acquitted? CBS, who I trust, told me that he admitted to committing two murders. He did nothing of the

00:21:26.380 sort. That's not true. That's a term of art, a legal term of art. And they had to take it down

00:21:31.280 after the mistake was made. Anyway, Olbermann, among others now, already switching to, Mark,

00:21:37.120 the federal DOJ needs to step in. Here's just an example from this horrible man. He writes,

00:21:44.240 quote, after the prearranged acquittal, you're such a moron. Go back to sports. The Justice Department

00:21:50.020 needs to pursue federal charges against the vigilante murderer, Kyle Rittenhouse. And this utterly

00:21:55.420 compromised, quote, Judge Bruce Schrader, hashtag prosecute Judge Schrader. There's so much nonsense

00:22:04.600 in there. I don't know where to begin, but that's what people are going to go to if and when this jury

00:22:09.320 acquits that we now need the DOJ to step in. That is so problematic on so many levels. The evidence

00:22:16.900 doesn't change whether it goes from state court to federal court. Okay. And even if you bring in a

00:22:21.760 judge who leans on the defense as much as he's leaned on the prosecutor, if that's really your

00:22:27.960 perspective, the evidence doesn't change. The facts are the same. The feds will never pick this up for

00:22:33.880 many reasons. But the number one reason is because they see what the evidence is and they cannot convict

00:22:40.340 them. Mm hmm. And it's not like the prosecution lost some crucial pretrial motion that would have

00:22:48.380 completely changed the course of this trial. OK, they weren't allowed to get in the fact that a

00:22:53.620 couple of weeks earlier, Kyle Rittenhouse sat at a CVS saying he wished he could have gone after people

00:22:58.120 who were committing crimes with his gun that he didn't even have. Right. Like that's pretty much

00:23:03.020 what they lost. The judge followed his longstanding policy of not allowing the prosecution to refer to the

00:23:08.580 people who were killed as victims. He thinks that's a that's a term of art for the jury to decide.

00:23:12.780 That's it. That's it. Those are not big game changers. The feds could turn the case on.

00:23:17.920 I'll add in one thing. I'll add in one thing. Having been the victim of this many, many times in court,

00:23:22.520 I don't like when judges are leaning on me too hard and then the jurors can see that the only one they

00:23:29.880 trust in the courtroom is that elevated person wearing the polyester black robe. Right. So when the judge

00:23:36.580 is showing some type of, you know, lack of favor towards me and I don't like when jurors see that.

00:23:44.120 OK, I think, however, it's earned in this case. The prosecutor earned it. That guy's ego is running

00:23:50.100 his life. And when he defies court orders, I don't mind the judge getting pissed off in front of the

00:23:55.940 jury to some extent. He tells him to go away. But before they they are removed, they see the disdain in

00:24:02.400 his eyes for that prosecutor. I don't love that. But I think the prosecutor brought it on himself.

00:24:07.000 You've got to stay one foot away from that happening. And so you don't comment on on things

00:24:12.480 that have been ruled inadmissible or on the defendant's right to remain silent. You just

00:24:15.860 don't do that for that reason, because I don't want the judge, you know, showing any ire towards me.

00:24:20.780 I don't like it. That's right. That's right. A lot of it has been outside the presence of the jury,

00:24:24.920 but some has been in front of the jury. And I will say this, you know, the natural dynamic of

00:24:31.020 the trial and a criminal trial, and you can speak to this better than I can, having played both roles,

00:24:35.560 prosecutor and defense attorney, is the state, too, comes in there with an air of authority that

00:24:39.920 after the judge, no one else equals them with. Right. Like you have the state of Wisconsin behind

00:24:46.500 you and you sort of start with the jury ahead of where the defense counsel starts. Like they know,

00:24:52.800 like the guy got arrested. The cops think he did it. This DA thinks he did it like. OK. And,

00:24:58.680 you know, this is like a big, important prosecutor that other guy's just getting paid,

00:25:02.500 you know, to to get a guy off. So it's almost a little uneven to start with. So that's another

00:25:08.240 reason why I don't really mind the prosecutor getting beaten up a little. I'll give you the

00:25:12.000 last word. OK, the only thing that I don't agree with was little. It's it's it's it's more than a

00:25:18.240 little uneven. It's a lot uneven. When I ask jurors in jury selection, have you ever driven

00:25:23.800 by the scene of a crime and seen someone in handcuffs? Let me guess. You think, why did

00:25:28.960 they arrest that innocent person? Well, I mean, give me a break. And then I say, how then can

00:25:35.360 you really presume or believe that my client is innocent when the judge hasn't waved his magic

00:25:40.460 gavel and set my client free? And I watch their eyes and their eyes tell me so much. The ones who

00:25:45.380 would respond right away and say, well, we don't know that he did it and we don't know that they

00:25:49.020 can prove it. They're my jurors. The rest are gone. So, yes, prosecutors start off with a very

00:25:54.200 unfair advantage. That's good. That's that's a really good question. I'll tell you something

00:25:58.720 funny. Back in the day, this is when I was doing my first morning show with Hemmer at 9 a.m.,

00:26:03.980 I took a two week period off because I got selected to be on a jury. And we tried a case to

00:26:09.760 verdict. And I was sitting there like there's no way that they're going to allow me. And it was a

00:26:14.240 criminal case. It was a drug case. I'm like, there is no way the defense lawyer is going to

00:26:18.340 allow me on. Right. I was with Jones Day for all these years. I was openly more prosecution minded.

00:26:23.620 I'd been on the air talking about that for a long time, much more law and order type. And I admitted

00:26:30.300 that, you know, when he was doing voir dire of the of the prospective jurors and the prosecution was

00:26:35.500 like, she's good. Right. And the defense lawyer gets up, starts asking me a question. I'm like,

00:26:38.840 OK, he's definitely going to balance me. And you know what he said, Mark? He goes, Miss Kelly,

00:26:42.300 I have a question for you. If I put you on this jury. Will you put me on TV?

00:26:49.720 Oh, no, no, no, no, no. And I was like, doubtful. And he still chose me.

00:26:59.360 And we did wind up convicting his clients. So there you have it.

00:27:03.420 Yeah. OK. All right, Mark, to be continued. And another day, I'd love to do the Scott Peterson

00:27:07.820 case. Scott with one T or Scott with two T's because he's back in the news, too.

00:27:11.900 Always love talking to you. Same here. Thank you. All right. Up next, comedian Jim Brewer is here.

00:27:17.840 So looking forward to this discussion. I've always thought he was hilarious.

00:27:20.980 I didn't know what a deep, thoughtful, kind, well-perspective guy he is. I mean, he I learned

00:27:28.100 reading the prior things he said, and I'm excited to bring him to you.

00:27:37.720 It has been a jam packed week and we feel like everyone could use a chuckle

00:27:41.220 and maybe just a heartfelt conversation about something not incredibly divisive.

00:27:46.380 Joining me now is comedian Jim Brewer. He's just the man for this. Jim has been making us laugh out

00:27:51.380 loud since his time on Saturday Night Live back in the 90s. And we will revisit his time at SNL,

00:27:56.440 how comedy heals if you allow it to, his powerful stance against the vaccine mandates and so much

00:28:03.740 more. Welcome, Jim. How are you doing, Megan? It's a pleasure to meet you. Oh, my God. The

00:28:08.520 pleasure's all mine. Thanks for being here. I, of course, was your fan back in the 90s. I feel like

00:28:14.380 we both grew up in the 80s. I could totally relate to your love of that time frame and your feeling of

00:28:20.100 luckiness that that's when you came of age. Right. I think about that all the time, by the way.

00:28:24.200 It was definitely a different time. You either dressed like you were in Duran Duran or you dressed

00:28:33.700 like you were in the band Police or you dressed like you were an ACDC guy. Yeah, Madonna. There's

00:28:42.740 a lot of Madonna going on. Why does that chick got a sock in her hair? Why is she wearing stockings

00:28:49.780 on her arms? She's the Madonna. So, yeah, it was I had a denim jacket. I was that guy. He had a denim

00:28:57.580 jacket painted with the band Judas Priest, which probably scared you to death in a lot of people.

00:29:06.580 Which the reason why I got into that band, I remember being in English class and my English

00:29:12.160 teacher said, what are you doing? I said, I'm drawing Judas Priest. And he goes, we're reading

00:29:17.800 the book 1984. And I went, if you listen to the first song called The Electric Eye, it's all about

00:29:24.280 1984. I just learned differently than you do. And it really was. It was about cameras everywhere.

00:29:32.640 Is that right?

00:29:33.180 Yes. It's brilliant. So I would say back then I was not doing Judas Priest type dressing. I did do

00:29:39.680 a little Madonna. I did forensic V-neck sweater, tree torns, the palmetto jeans that were like

00:29:45.720 striped on the front and striped on the back and solid on the front. Right? Yes.

00:29:52.400 That was hot. The forensic V-neck sweater, it was all about that. You could get them in every color.

00:29:56.100 I was intimidated by you. I was intimidated. I was like, oh, no, she's way out of my league. She's got

00:30:01.420 the pants. She's got the pants. I can't. They're never going to settle for me.

00:30:06.240 And the hair, I have to tell you, Jim. So now this, my hair is straight today. My hair is

00:30:10.000 naturally straight. This is how God made it. But back in the eighties, that was not acceptable,

00:30:14.340 right? It had to be permed and it had to be big.

00:30:18.140 It had to be really big. It had to be permed. I had a dangling cross earring,

00:30:22.260 which was already a major threat. Dangling cross in the left ear just to let everyone know how cool I was.

00:30:28.980 And I also had, I must admit, a little bit of a mullet.

00:30:36.000 Hot. That's back. The mullet is back. Did you know that?

00:30:40.120 I did not know that, but I can tell you this. I'm not revisiting.

00:30:44.080 You refuse.

00:30:45.680 No, I'm too old now. I'm 50. I get it. The grain, the size, I'm going to go naturally. I'm not going

00:30:51.200 to take testosterone. I'm not going to inject myself with steroids. I'm not going to get liposuction

00:30:58.480 because at the end of the day, when I'm 80 and I don't know where I'm at, I got dementia and maybe

00:31:03.280 I drop a deuce in my pants. None of that matters. I just look good and I'm a mess confused. I'm going

00:31:11.260 gracefully as I get older.

00:31:12.980 I like that. I think that's a good plan. That's like, you know, my mom too. She says,

00:31:16.580 my mom's 80 now. She says she used to be, I don't know how she put it. She's like,

00:31:21.200 I used to be a 42 C and now I'm a 44 along.

00:31:26.460 How old is she now?

00:31:27.680 She's 80, but she's still 17 at heart. She's just a kid.

00:31:32.160 Oh, that's awesome. I'm glad that you had her that long and you still do. And you still have

00:31:36.280 that time with her. That's a lot of people are not blessed with that. I was able to get my parents

00:31:40.860 all the way into their nineties. And I just, I, I couldn't thank God enough for having that in my

00:31:46.640 life, man. Enjoy it while you can. I've read, I love, love, love this piece of your story. And,

00:31:52.700 and I'll round back to it as well. But when I heard that you took in, so your dad, I think was 92 and

00:31:58.020 died in your arms. Yeah, it was, it was, um, and I encourage everyone. This was, this was part of the

00:32:07.700 thing that kind of drove me nuts during the whole and still does where it's like, don't go near the

00:32:12.860 elderly. You may murder them. You may kill them. If they're nursing homes, I watched both my parents

00:32:20.760 grow old. And the last thing an elderly person wants, they're already scared to death. They know

00:32:28.000 they're going, they know they're going, which is something we don't think about, um, and put ourselves

00:32:33.840 in their shoes. But the last thing you want to do in life is be alone without a hug, without a touch.

00:32:42.860 It's, that's, that's the human spirit. That's what we all need. And I, you know, I begged,

00:32:51.020 I would go on the road and I'd watch my dad get older and I tried to take him out as much as possible.

00:32:56.700 And I just, I was like, I don't want this guy to die alone. He was a world war II vet. Never

00:33:04.780 complained. Grew up with 10 brothers and sisters during the depression. His mom died when he was three

00:33:10.720 years old, never, ever complained, came out of the war. You know, he's, he's garbage man. He's

00:33:20.280 sanitation. He's bartending, whatever he can to support me and, and my mom. And he taught me so

00:33:30.980 much in life about the heartaches and hardships to watch another man die, to watch another human die in

00:33:39.060 your arms, to get killed and have to kill and then come home and never, ever complained. And I learned

00:33:48.920 so much about that man. I said, I don't want him to go down alone. That's all I begged God my whole

00:33:54.340 life. Please don't let this man, God, I'll do anything. Just let me be there for him. And I have

00:34:02.300 to say if anyone has that opportunity and there's a lot of people that fear it, they fear it. Don't fear

00:34:10.160 it. It's the most powerful, beautiful human spirit thing you could do. It gives you closure. I mean,

00:34:18.360 a lot of us aren't able to have that, but to, to hold him. And I'll be honest with you if I,

00:34:25.880 towards the very end, you know, I was playing his music. I was probably driving him nuts. Um,

00:34:32.120 and I had my youngest daughter was there and my nephews and his grandkids. And I was in there

00:34:40.240 and everyone said, Jim, you gotta, you gotta go shower. You haven't showered for three days. Cause

00:34:44.640 I didn't, I didn't want to miss, I knew it was coming to the end. It's like, you stink, you smell,

00:34:49.340 you're the reason why you're still alive. You gotta go clean yourself. You stay in a life and you're

00:34:54.020 bunk. I went to the shower. Right. And I told my dad, as he's just sitting there, you know, he,

00:35:00.480 he was unconscious. I said, don't you leave. Don't try to sneak out while I'm, I'm going to be away

00:35:06.360 for five minutes. Don't, don't even think about it. And I went upstairs and right in the middle of

00:35:14.440 that shower, my daughter came running up. She's like, dad, dad, grandpa's waking up. I'm like, what?

00:35:20.100 But I knew someone told me towards the end, you start like your, your bodies, your soul's leaving

00:35:27.680 or whatever you want to call it. And I went down. I said, Oh, you sneak, you sneak. You really tried

00:35:34.540 to put, you really tried to pull this off. And I got on top of him and I'm holding him and it's funny

00:35:42.520 and not funny, but I'll tell everyone now when you hear that last, Oh gosh, it comes from here.

00:35:52.040 You're like mouth opens, you fake, but I will warn you and everyone else. It's not the last breath.

00:36:02.060 He's got like four or five more, which is the part that was freaked out. You know, I'm sitting there

00:36:06.700 going. I'm sorry. I triggered everyone. You thought you thought he was gone. That sounded

00:36:17.400 like the last breath. And he did that like three or four more times for us. I can't, I can't take

00:36:23.120 this anymore. We got to get the pillow assigned. I can't do this. But it was at least four more

00:36:28.460 breasts, all kidding aside, but it was the most beautiful, beautiful thing in the world. And

00:36:34.920 I have a friend right now that's on tour with me and we talked last night for about two hours

00:36:39.940 because he knows his dad's 80. And he's like, Jim, I don't know. I don't know if I can, I'm

00:36:45.480 not, I'm not waiting for that. It's going to be bad. It's going to be bad. Like, I don't

00:36:49.200 know if I could keep going. I said, listen, the most powerful thing that happens when we lose

00:36:55.360 people is you go through the healing. You have to go through the, you have to go through the

00:37:00.600 morning, the morning, the triggers and you cry. But the minute you let it go, which is

00:37:09.400 what I did with my dad. I did a crazy story with a, with a card. It's, it's, it's some

00:37:16.280 people be like, what? It all depends how you think and how you want to see things. But at

00:37:21.380 the end of the day, I let him go. And the minute I let him go, which was a good year and a half

00:37:28.180 later, where I said, I'm not going to cry anymore. From now on, I'm just going to laugh

00:37:32.320 every time because he was funny. He was really funny. Um, it, it changed the same thing with

00:37:40.920 my mother. It is when, when, when you can, they become part of your life. The people that

00:37:47.940 pass on more, almost more powerful when they were here. The only way I can explain is almost

00:37:54.200 like Star Wars where, you know, where Luke is like, how am I going to do this? And Obi-Wan's

00:37:59.540 like, use the force, Luke, dude, I told you. And it's just like, he's there. It's the same

00:38:04.940 thing as crazy as it sounds. The other night I was crying and laughing, listening to Sinatra's,

00:38:12.180 um, New York, New York, because every time that song would come on, my mom would go in a full

00:38:20.940 blown animated at the whole thing. And I just started laughing so hard. Um, it's, it's part

00:38:39.140 of life. It's part of life. And I always thought they should teach that in school or in universities

00:38:45.220 where you pay lots of money to be educated by a professor when you come home dumber than you left

00:38:52.380 to get in there. But in every way, because I've heard you, first of all, that was totally profound

00:38:57.680 and I loved it. And remind me just last night I was tucking in, I have three kids, 12, 10 and eight.

00:39:02.060 And I was tucking in my eight year old and I don't know what made me think of it, but do you ever read

00:39:06.780 that book? I'll love you forever. I mean, if you haven't don't, cause it's like, it's such a tear

00:39:14.680 jerker. You can't get through it. It's been, it's like the mom who rocks the baby in the rocking

00:39:21.320 chair and she sings to him. I've added my own tune, but it's basically, I love you forever.

00:39:26.900 I'll like you for always. As long as you're living, my baby you'll be. And then he gets older

00:39:32.900 and then he has a little kid with the baseball cap on still at night in the rocking chair. Then he goes

00:39:38.160 to, uh, teenage years still at night. He, you know, she's got him in the rocking chair,

00:39:42.700 college. He gets married, she gets old and then she's very old and I can't even get it out. But at

00:39:50.740 the end, he sneaks over to her house and he holds his mom in his arms. I know Abby's trying to, it's

00:39:58.960 just like, this is the most emotional, saddest book ever, but it's kind of what you're talking. It's like,

00:40:05.120 that's, you lived that. You, you were the little boy holding your parent when he needed you, was

00:40:11.860 old. I mean, like, Oh my God, profound. It's, it's, um, you know, I don't know where we turned

00:40:19.160 in society. What, what year I try to study that all the time. Cause I remember growing up in Long

00:40:25.740 Island and it was all about, it was still a village mentality. Humanity was a, you either lived, you

00:40:38.640 lived in the basement and the main floor was, you know, whoever the, the, the mom, dad with kids

00:40:44.120 downstairs was either a grandma or somebody upstairs was an aunt or an uncle. And then one would pass

00:40:50.740 away and they'd shift like, okay, you go in the attic and you'll bring this one in there and I can

00:40:55.180 last one. And everyone looked after each other. It was a, it was a village mentality. It was all for

00:41:02.440 one, one for all. You may not have liked everyone, but everyone looked after each other. Hey, watch,

00:41:08.600 watch the way you did. That one's trouble. I'd be careful of that one. And, and, uh, people would

00:41:13.600 discipline you even though they weren't your parent. And that somewhere along the line,

00:41:20.740 I'm going to have to say, maybe it was the eighties. I don't know where this new propaganda,

00:41:27.080 um, be all you can be the smartest, brilliant CEO, millionaire. You're better than your brother.

00:41:37.260 You're better than your neighbor. And they started separating the family and take your elderly.

00:41:44.140 We, the government will take care of them. We have this new facility where you can stick the elderly,

00:41:50.600 and I go, and, and somewhere in our minds, the more that it's been dehumanizing us for a long

00:42:00.100 time. And it continues to dehumanize us where we take our elderly and we put them in homes. Now, a lot

00:42:08.760 of us, we, we, we don't want to stop working and we, and I understand the circumstances, but I always go,

00:42:16.460 go, go visit nursing homes before you think about doing that. The sacrifice is huge. Some of us can't

00:42:23.180 make that sacrifice. Um, but I, you know, not, not that it's funny, but if you go to a nursing home,

00:42:31.640 that's a rough visit.

00:42:35.420 The retirement communities are damn nice though. Have you, I'm like, my mom's considering that right

00:42:39.740 now. She doesn't want to live with us. She wants to, I'm like, we went to look at one. It was like,

00:42:43.560 it was like an, that movie cocoon. You know what I mean? It was like the people are frolicking.

00:42:48.620 They're playing bingo. They're doing karaoke. They've got happy hours. I'm like, how soon can

00:42:52.240 I get in? I agree. How do I get in this? Wait, I don't have to mow my lawn. I'm doing nothing.

00:42:58.180 You bring me here. There's a tram that brings me away. I got a golf cart. I'll take the golf cart,

00:43:02.480 golf cart. You smash into the bushes. Yeah. Like the villages right down in Florida. My God,

00:43:09.200 you know, it's a good place when the STDs are running rampant.

00:43:14.700 That is very true. And you know what? I can't wait. I already got my spot ready for the villages.

00:43:19.460 I just moved to Florida and, you know, technically my friends are going,

00:43:25.260 did you move in one of those communities? I said, well, I'll tell you this. I am definitely

00:43:29.380 the youngest one. So clearly I'm going to be the king of the block. Cause I can,

00:43:32.940 it's true. I can take anyone. That's a good point. You'll be the funniest,

00:43:37.700 the most robust, the most, you don't need testosterone. You got, you got more than anything.

00:43:40.820 I don't need testosterone. I'm already, I'm already there. But it, the community is,

00:43:47.340 it's beautiful. They're everyone, every, every time I go out, they're all playing

00:43:51.380 pickleball. Yeah. Pickle's amazing. Pickleball. Yes. Pickleball. They're over here doing something.

00:43:58.380 These guys are doing water aerobics. Yes, they've got water aerobics. They've got a

00:44:02.940 spa. They, I'm like, this place is amazing. You have to be 55 or up. So I got a few more years,

00:44:07.520 but, um, but I agree with you at the end, you know, there there'll be no nursing home. And I,

00:44:12.020 I realized it's very tough for people. Well, not everybody has the option, but if you,

00:44:15.160 not everyone has that means, yeah, if you can make that happen, that's, um, yeah. My mom always says,

00:44:19.700 she goes, I don't care. She goes, I, all I, she goes, I don't want to be forced food or forced

00:44:24.160 anything. She goes, you just drug me up. I want to be completely, I want to go out high as a kite. I'm

00:44:28.720 like, I got you mom. Now on that lovely note, cause I know she's listening. Um,

00:44:32.540 let me pause you cause so we can pay the bills. We'll do a quick ad and we'll come right back

00:44:36.340 with Jim Brewer, the one and only. So enjoying this. And don't forget folks, you can find the

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00:44:57.280 Spotify, Pandora, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts and you'll find all of our full

00:45:02.040 archives. By the way, if you like our, uh, interview with Jim, you can check out episode

00:45:06.280 60 with Tim Dillon, which is hilarious. Or episode 74 with the brilliant Andrew Schultz.

00:45:18.360 We're joined today by comedian Jim Brewer. Before I get back to him, just want to give

00:45:22.340 you this quick clip of what made all of us fall in love with him in the first place. SNL 1996.

00:45:27.400 Watch. So, uh, Bradley, why don't you tell us about 12 Monkeys? Come on. Well, 12 Monkeys that

00:45:32.560 play a lunatic. Not as well as you could, Joe. I mean, everyone knows you're the king of the

00:45:36.820 lunatics. You're the best. Luna what? Did he just say what I think he just said? I think he did.

00:45:48.860 What? Did I offend him? Did I offend him? You offend him a little bit, Brad. A little bit.

00:45:57.840 Not too far.

00:46:02.700 Let me, let me, let me just get this straight over here. All right? You're the leading man,

00:46:07.240 right? And I'm just some lunatic macaroni munchkin with my gugats in my hand. Is that it?

00:46:13.760 No, no. That's not what it's... Hey, I'm the hunchback of Notre Dago, huh? I'm

00:46:19.160 quasi-meatball, and he's the sexiest man alive. Is that what's going on here? No, Joe, Joe.

00:46:24.100 I was just saying that I think... Hey, Joe, Joe, Joe. Oh, he's handsome and skinny, and I'm

00:46:27.620 the crazy little guinea. I'll show you crazy. I'll show you crazy. Hey, hey, hey. Now that there,

00:46:37.080 that's a legend of a fall, huh? Jim Brewer is Joe Pesci, and he's here live. Stick around.

00:46:51.460 The SNL clip is just one example of your brilliance. That Joe Pesci thing, just, I remember it. I

00:46:56.000 watched that stuff live and was such a fan of yours. That was, a lot of people think the glory

00:47:00.700 days of SNL were in the 70s, and I remember that too. But I really thought it was that era,

00:47:06.440 the 90s. It was amazing. And watching you just to Colin Quinn and the guest stars you had,

00:47:12.420 like, it was, that was a magical few years, I'm sure, in your life.

00:47:15.960 A hundred percent. That was, you know, I didn't, I didn't watch the show growing up.

00:47:24.280 And when ARC, I was aware of it because there were auditions, you know, once I was doing stand-up

00:47:30.520 in New York City, they would do auditions. And when I, when they, when they first, when they first

00:47:39.140 came to me and they said, hey, would you audition for SNL? I said, no.

00:47:43.220 What?

00:47:43.660 Because I, yes, because I knew the cast before me. They just destroyed, destroyed them. And the media

00:47:54.440 was crushing them. And I also knew some people on there and they became really miserable human

00:48:01.540 beings. Like, oh my God, how can I, how can you be so miserable on a television show?

00:48:06.760 And so I didn't want to be in that environment because I, I had a friend or two that was in

00:48:11.920 there and I just went here, all they do is complain and this and that. So I did not want

00:48:16.260 to be on. And then they asked me to, I finally got talked into auditioning. And then when I,

00:48:29.720 when the third time they were coming to see me, it was at a comedy club. And I remember

00:48:35.500 I met Sherry Oteri and Will Ferrell and they all came there and I met them and they were like,

00:48:43.360 man, we hope you get, you know, you were really funny, but, and they were just, they were just

00:48:46.880 so nice. And I went, oh shoot, maybe, maybe they are, they, they recook, they got all new

00:48:54.200 writers, all new cast with the exception of Norm. And I think Tim Meadows and Spade was still there.

00:49:02.020 And, um, I have to say the minute I was there in the first table read, when you're reading the

00:49:11.420 sketches and Will Ferrell, no matter what he read, you're just going, oh no, I can't,

00:49:20.680 this guy just eats a sandwich and he's making, why, how's he do that? How does he, Sherry Oteri

00:49:27.120 every week was like, here's another new character. I'm like, oh no, I can't, I can't compete with

00:49:33.580 these animals. You know, Molly, it was, it was such a good, talented cast. It was just

00:49:42.040 home run after home run after home run. And I think I knew I was getting fired. I was getting

00:49:53.840 fired. I knew I was done. And the only thing that saved me was I was, I was a big, good fellas

00:50:01.740 fan and a big raging bull fan. So I was big, Pesci and De Niro fan, but mostly Pesci. And

00:50:10.520 I was in a writer's room and, um, I was just, I already gave up, but I said, Hey, you know

00:50:16.340 what? Why don't we, why don't we just order some sandwiches? Who wants a sandwich? Want a

00:50:20.040 sandwich? Let's get a sandwich. I was sitting here like a bunch of animals. And that was the

00:50:27.300 guy goes, Oh my God, you got to do Joe Pesci. I was like, what would he mean? And that led

00:50:33.100 to doing the Joe Pesci show, which then pretty much secured my contract. But I can honestly

00:50:41.900 say I would watch the first, the first explosion was Molly Shannon. And she did the school girl

00:50:51.640 that would sniff her arms. And then sometimes when I get nervous, I put my hands under my

00:50:55.480 arms like this. Exactly. And then I smell them. I still do that.

00:51:02.560 And she would, I, I was, I was in that sketch, the first one, and I was on the side of the

00:51:07.840 stage and I heard the, just looked and went, Oh my God. I've never heard a crowd react.

00:51:14.560 That's the type of reaction I want. I don't want laughs. I want that. And it seems like

00:51:22.400 every cast member from, you know, Catan, Will, everyone got that. Everyone had a character.

00:51:30.540 It was a great cast. We got along really well. It was, it was good. It was, I don't.

00:51:39.260 So, so what, what happened there? Cause I've read you say before, and I was like, I read it and I

00:51:43.420 was like, I can relate to this just based on my time in cable. You were at the top of your game.

00:51:48.140 You said you were peaking, you were getting movie deals offered to you. You were killing it on SNL,

00:51:52.600 but that you felt it was toxic, that it was your, your time there you felt was toxic and looking

00:51:58.340 around. I don't know if it was those people you mentioned, but people in that industry seemed awful

00:52:05.300 and not like people you wanted to be like. Well, it turned into again, going back to the way I grew

00:52:16.760 up with strong morals, strong family values, do the right thing. Um, do the right thing. And

00:52:26.380 we're in an industry where it's like, no, cheat, kill, steal, lie to get to the top, to get the highest

00:52:37.940 rating, to be the biggest star and do that to stay on the mountain. And it's a very disturbing, uh,

00:52:47.980 mentality and it exists. It's real. And it's not just in Hollywood. It's every big money situation,

00:52:57.720 a big star situation. I mean, I, I bring it down to, I joke and I say, you know, when I worked at Sears,

00:53:03.820 uh, Long Island, you remember I'd, I'd work in paint department with this other person. And then the

00:53:11.300 other person got upgraded to a red badge. You're like, Whoa, what's the red badge? Well, now I have the

00:53:16.220 power to avoid things and you need me to override thing. And then that person with the little red

00:53:22.760 badge would, would now they're on a power trip and you're like, dude, we, we hung it. What are you

00:53:30.740 talking about? You still the same meathead. And now you're taking advantage because you got a red badge.

00:53:35.920 So imagine that the more, so I would see things behind the curtain that the public had no clue about.

00:53:46.220 And I, I was shocked that the general public does not have any clue of how certain things go now.

00:54:01.600 People's business is people's business, but what I can't, what would drive me nuts is like,

00:54:07.760 you know, people magazine couple of the year. And you're like, they're not a couple.

00:54:12.300 He doesn't even like women. What do you, what, what a sham. What, what a, Oh, you know, this,

00:54:19.480 this one is just, you would see things, certain people would come in and they'd be,

00:54:25.040 it was disturbing. And, um, if it was my brother or a friend of mine with hat, with some of the people

00:54:33.320 I'd go, are you, is there something wrong with you? Like there's some really disturbing wrong with

00:54:38.740 you, but no one would say anything because, Oh, well, you know, this one's star. This one's on the,

00:54:44.240 you know, a big TV show on ABC. It's, um, and even Holly, you know, when SNL, what, what just

00:54:53.920 empower and in that world of vanity, you will, you will sell yourself. You will sell your soul.

00:55:02.460 You will do anything to get to the top. And it happens like that. People go, wow, how can that

00:55:07.960 happen? I remember meeting some of the biggest, uh, people that I looked up to in my life and what

00:55:14.600 you don't imagine, you know, you imagine being a little kid thinking about, but when they're in

00:55:18.940 front of you and they're like, Hey man, you want to, and you're going, Oh my God, I can't believe

00:55:23.400 I'm hanging out with so-and-so. And they go, Hey man, you have a little bit of this. And you're

00:55:29.140 like doing this and this and this. I mean, this is the way I roll.

00:55:31.860 I'm like, why? Yes. Let me, let me cheat my wife and do drugs. I've never did. And do

00:55:40.240 wow. You're into that. Okay. Well, that's how fast it happens. And I remember I give credit

00:55:50.700 to my wife towards the end of the SNL. I just filmed half baked and, you know, get movie

00:55:56.700 offers, blah, blah, blah. And, um, the last year of SNL was really rough for me. Um, the

00:56:04.120 people that supported me left and, uh, the new people were not big fans. That's just the

00:56:11.800 way business goes. And I look back on it, but they really went out of their way to, to make

00:56:16.980 my, what I felt make life miserable. And, um, yeah, I started getting really, and my wife

00:56:25.760 said this to me and I'll never forget. She goes, you know, all you do is come home, you

00:56:32.140 complain, you're, you're, you're, you're smoking weed all the time and numb yourself.

00:56:36.900 What, what, why are you there? Why don't you quit? I went, I, seriously, is there something

00:56:42.180 wrong with you? You don't wait. Like, seriously, is there something wrong with you? She's like,

00:56:47.440 no, is there something wrong with you? You said you would never stay at a job that sucked

00:56:53.160 the life out of you. You would never do it. No money in the world can do that. And that's

00:57:01.320 it. You say that and you feel it, but you're like, well, I'm going to sell it live. I got

00:57:08.020 a movie coming out, another movie deal. You don't understand. I'm this close, man. But

00:57:13.700 then I would see, you know, I remember when Farley came on to host and, um, he was there

00:57:27.180 that week and, and, um, long story short, they were like, listen, he's, uh, don't, don't,

00:57:33.500 he's going to ask you to go out. We've got a serious situation with him. He's got, there's

00:57:38.980 a lot of, a lot of problems. He was walking around with a 24 hour nurse. Chris Rock was

00:57:45.240 walking around the hallways. And I said, what are you doing here? He's like, I mean, it's

00:57:48.700 just case. And I'm not blaming anyone, but I could not believe that not one human being,

00:58:00.980 if that was my, if that was my sibling, if that was my best friend, I'd go, Hey man,

00:58:08.480 I don't care what movie you're promoting. I don't care how much your life is in danger,

00:58:14.520 bro. Your life is in danger. And was it for the ratings? Was it to promote something? And

00:58:24.300 he clearly had drug issues, which we all saw that were very serious. And I'll never forget the phone

00:58:32.340 call I got from him on a, on a Thursday night was, it was, I think it was a Wednesday night after the

00:58:38.100 table read. And I had a friend over there and my wife answered the phone and she goes, um, Jim,

00:58:44.220 it's, it's Chris, Chris Farley. How do you get my number? She goes, I don't know. And I pick up the

00:58:51.460 phone. Now here's a guy whose soul is beautiful, but vanity's just eat him alive and make it $10

00:59:03.500 million. Now a picture, $10 million. Anyone would die to have that. And he asked me, Jim,

00:59:13.640 am I funny? I went, what? He goes, am I funny? Am I just the stupid fat guy? I can't get girls.

00:59:23.860 Am I, and you know, it was, it was two months later when he was gone, but I remember going,

00:59:33.880 no one cares about your life. They just care about the rating. And we're just a product.

00:59:41.900 Yes. It doesn't matter how many people die, you know, how many people die from this product

00:59:49.060 that's new by, uh, this line of, you know, put this in your, this is not like sugar. It doesn't,

00:59:54.520 you know, a couple of people have cancer. Don't worry about it. But we made trillions of dollars

00:59:58.500 and you know, the lawyers will, we'll take care of the people. And this drug is new or a couple of

01:00:04.360 people die, but you know, shut them up. Vanity, power, money, the love of it is soulless

01:00:15.960 and it will kill you and it will disregard you. And you better have a moral grounding before it all

01:00:24.720 comes. And I knew this environment was going to destroy me. And my wife, God bless her soul.

01:00:34.340 At the end of the day, she was right. And I took destiny in my own hands and we went through a lot

01:00:39.380 of different struggles. I, I, I went through a situation where someone clearly took something

01:00:49.940 of mine and made 10 to $20 million. An idea.

01:00:57.700 My hand to God on my kids' lives. And I remember I was like, Oh, I'm going to get done. And my wife

01:01:04.660 again, she was, she was like, Jim, Jim, let them have it. What are you guys? What are you?

01:01:12.020 It's just something wrong with you. She went, Jim, you left because you wanted to be with your

01:01:18.040 children. You're working at a radio station because you want to be home every day to watch

01:01:22.940 your children. You just brought your parents from Florida. You wanted to be with your parents.

01:01:27.700 Watch them be elderly. Do you want that? That is always going to be there. It's always going to be

01:01:33.660 there, Jim. Let them have it because if they need to steal it, if they need to lie about it,

01:01:39.820 it will destroy them eventually. And I'll tell you what, I will never forget years later, watching

01:01:49.440 certain individuals and their life deteriorate. And after taking and making big fame and money and this

01:01:57.060 and that and watching the crown come off and, and the amazing grace of it all was to see them years

01:02:06.560 later, come up to me and go, and not knowing I, I knew like what you were about years ago and all that

01:02:15.440 money. And they said, I'll never forget this. They said, Hey man, I don't know what you're doing here,

01:02:21.060 but I, I wanted to tell you, I really admire the path you took in life. I wish I did that because I

01:02:26.680 didn't, I didn't get to, uh, see my parents die. And I was, I was chasing stars and I just, I,

01:02:34.520 and your kids and it's just, I really admire what you do. And I just, sometimes life is decisions and

01:02:41.300 it's not hard. It's not easy to stick to your morals. It's not easy to always do the right

01:02:46.960 thing because the wrong thing is so tempting. Sometimes worth so much more money. Um, and so

01:02:54.100 by society, it's, I love everything you just said. I can so relate to all of this. I've, I've spoken

01:03:02.260 before about, you know, in my own life, I was at the top of the cable news industry and I had a job

01:03:07.680 forever at Fox news. That's not a place that would fire you. You know, once you were big there,

01:03:11.340 like they don't fire you. And, um, they wanted me to stay. They, they offered me a huge, huge deal

01:03:17.120 to stay and I would have been queen bee. And I couldn't have cared less. I couldn't have cared

01:03:23.860 less. I needed to see my own children grow up. I wanted to raise them and not to have somebody else

01:03:32.200 raise them. And prior to making my decision, I had just done a book tour where I had the benefit

01:03:37.100 of sitting next to a really successful finance guy. He was like a hedge fund guy. And he's like,

01:03:42.540 you got kids. I'm like, yeah. He goes, uh, uh, how old are they? I said, all right now there's

01:03:46.640 seven, five, and three. He said, you're so lucky. You're so lucky. He goes, I missed it all. He goes,

01:03:52.500 I've made hundreds of millions of dollars and I missed it all. He goes, I would give you anything

01:03:57.080 to go back and make a different choice. And when I read you say, uh, this is an, another interview,

01:04:03.440 people come up to you who haven't seen you, right? Cause you're not on SNL anymore. Right.

01:04:09.200 You're like, it's not necessarily, you're on the big movie screen, same as I'm not.

01:04:13.220 And all right. And I'm not on cable news every night. Um, and they say, Hey, what happened?

01:04:18.000 What happened to you? And tell them, tell us what you say. It's so profound. It's so exactly right on.

01:04:23.780 And I'll tell you what happened to me. I, well, I, I started living my life. I was there for my

01:04:29.740 children. I was there for my wife. I was there for my family. And I, and I always, when I was,

01:04:36.500 when I was, I came to terms where, and I know this is kind of silly. I might not even put this

01:04:41.220 out there before. When I saw the movie, Pulp Fiction, this is, I went, what happened to John

01:04:49.040 Travolta? I went, Holy crow. His, his career is resurrected. And what that taught me was that world

01:04:56.860 is always there. It never turns its back on you. All they care about is, can you make money?

01:05:03.420 Can you make money? Can you still get someone to pay to want to see you? That's it. As long as you

01:05:11.620 have that talent, you will always exist. So you can leave, come back, leave, come back,

01:05:18.140 leave, come back. And I also said, Hollywood's there forever. My children and family are not.

01:05:27.560 And when I die, I can tell you who's not going to be there.

01:05:33.620 The TV show, the billions of dollars, none of that's going to be there. God willing,

01:05:41.640 it'll be my wife, my kids, and the closest friends that I grew up with that gave me those great moments

01:05:47.280 in time, which is what we try to gather in life. That is, uh, I don't know if that was the exact

01:05:52.560 quote, but, uh, that's pretty much. Yeah, that was it. That I, I mean, really that boils down to,

01:05:58.600 I I've been doing something more important. That's what happened to me. I made more profound choices

01:06:04.780 in my life that maybe didn't pay me as much or make me as big a star, but I held my parents while

01:06:11.800 they died. I raised my three daughters in your case and in my, my two boys and my girl,

01:06:17.280 I was with my spouse who I love. I know you guys call yourself marriage warriors and we'll get to D and

01:06:23.000 that that's everything. And that, that wisdom is not bestowed on everyone.

01:06:30.760 No, no. And you know what? It's not that it's, I, I, I'm not here to preach that. Hey,

01:06:35.960 that's the way to go. I just sleep better at night. I sleep better at night and you know,

01:06:41.080 you know, I'm not gonna lie to you. Um, I always call it the leather pants and kangaroo syndrome

01:06:46.600 because when I knew I wanted to go into the entertainment world, which I was young,

01:06:51.980 I think I was 16 when I said, this is what I'm doing. Um, I knew I had a talent and I knew it was a

01:06:59.340 God given talent and it felt good to heal people and make them laugh and watch some pain and laugh.

01:07:04.040 And we get through things that way. But at the same time I was like, I'm going to get so big. I went,

01:07:09.760 I'm going to get leather pants and I'm going to get a kangaroo and I'm going to walk through the

01:07:15.480 mall. This is crazy out of control kangaroo and people like, yes. And so it's always,

01:07:23.980 are you chasing the leather pants and kangaroo? Are you chasing what's going to fulfill your life?

01:07:31.840 And it's not always easy to do that because this side is so loud and tempting. Um, but once in a

01:07:39.600 while, once in a while, but then I think of this too, you know, as a kid, I would go back then growing

01:07:45.680 up and went, man, I want to, my favorite actors were Jack Nicholson, Pesci, De Niro. That's I,

01:07:51.620 if I get, I want to do stuff with them, man, if I can, if I can hang out by the Metallica,

01:07:59.340 I want to be a Metallica, Judas Priest, and I love the Mets. And I literally had to take a couple

01:08:05.180 steps back and one moment in time and whatever you call it, God, whatever, whatever, how you

01:08:12.380 reflection. And I remember reflecting going, what more do you want? You worked with Pesci,

01:08:18.540 you worked with De Niro, you, you, you did some of the best scenes ever to be remembered with

01:08:25.720 Nicholson, all three of these guys in SNL, you were in a cult movie that people still talk about

01:08:32.260 today. You toured with the band Metallica, your friends, you throw out the first pitch,

01:08:38.620 the Mets game. What do you want? You, did you see it differently? You asked, you got it.

01:08:45.120 What more do you want? What you want is at home with your friends, lifting each other. It's

01:08:51.660 already there. It's sometimes we perceive things and chase things, but the visual up here is never

01:08:57.940 quite, this could be a dangerous visual. It could be. And it's, it's a, it's an imbalance that I've

01:09:06.980 been trying my whole life. And I have to say, I thank God my wife has been around to help me with

01:09:12.640 I'd probably be a complete maniac if she wasn't around. I mean, I think your, your book,

01:09:17.820 like your memoir is going to have to be titled hashtag nailed it. Uh, wait, pause there. Quick

01:09:23.860 ad, uh, more with Jim on what's happening lately with respect to his, uh, his COVID stance and, uh,

01:09:31.180 also his long standing friendship with Dave Chappelle and what he thinks of what's happened to him.

01:09:36.260 There's actually breaking news on the Dave Chappelle situation, which I'll bring to you in a minute.

01:09:42.640 You heard Jim mention it. Um, he was the star. He is remains the star of one of the most popular

01:09:52.180 movies, um, half baked. And in that movie, which is totally beloved and a cult favorite now too.

01:09:58.080 Um, he starred across from a guy who had become his friend and an acting partner in a few projects

01:10:02.920 named Dave Chappelle. So let's just take those of you who have not seen half baked back to just a

01:10:09.600 little flavor of that movie. You can guess what it's about if you haven't seen it. Uh, and you can

01:10:13.600 see Jim and Dave and others watches. What do you guys want? Get some sour cream and onion chips

01:10:25.520 with some dip, man, some beef jerky, some peanut butter, get some Haagen-Dazs ice cream bars, a whole

01:10:33.180 lot of hot, make sure chocolate, gotta have chocolate, man. Some popcorn, bread, popcorn,

01:10:38.180 graham crackers, graham crackers, the marshmallows, little marshmallows and little chocolate bars

01:10:42.160 and we'll make some s'mores, man. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, y'all.

01:10:46.800 Also celery, grape jelly, uh, Captain Crunch with the little crunch berries, pizzas. We need two

01:10:52.760 big pizzas, man. Everything on them with water, a whole lot of water and... bunions.

01:11:05.740 That's it? Yeah. Anyone want anything else? Oh yeah, give me a box of condoms and, um, what's that stuff?

01:11:15.140 I used to eat it all the time back in the day. Pussy. That's right. You got it. Thanks, man.

01:11:22.900 And hey! If I'm not back in 10 minutes, call the police.

01:11:36.480 If he ain't back in 10 minutes, we calling dominoes.

01:11:39.640 What do you guys want?

01:11:43.780 I love your enthusiasm in that clip, Jim, with the, yeah! Funion, sour cream and onion.

01:11:51.660 I have never been baked, not half or otherwise, but it's, it's, it's inspiring. It's, you're

01:11:56.920 actually making me want to try it. Yeah, can you believe that?

01:12:03.400 Yeah. So Dave Chappelle, let me bring you the breaking news on him. Um, the backlash to

01:12:09.500 his Netflix special where, you know, he calls himself a TERF and he's gotten on the wrong side

01:12:14.320 of these transgender activists. Um, I continue to maintain not normal transgender people, honestly,

01:12:20.360 like the activists are just the worst. Um, his alma mater, his high school in Washington, D.C.

01:12:26.720 just canceled a planned fundraiser with him after some moronic students threatened to stage a walkout

01:12:34.080 because they were uncomfortable with his remarks. Now I just, I, it was, it's the Duke Ellington

01:12:38.460 School of Arts in Georgetown where he went and he, the, the, the, the article, uh, points out

01:12:45.220 Chappelle, who has given back to his alma mater in a number of ways over the years. Listen, he donated

01:12:50.880 a hundred thousand dollars to this school. He gave it one of his Emmy awards in 2017. He delivered a

01:12:55.740 commencement address there. He held a masterclass for students. He regularly visits campus with other

01:13:00.780 notable celebrities from Bradley Cooper to Chris Tucker and so on and so forth. And because he did

01:13:06.160 that Netflix special, they're basically saying, no, we were not doing a fundraiser with you. And by

01:13:12.860 the way, the fundraiser was for a new theater named after him. No word on whether that's going to go

01:13:21.320 forward now as planned. What do you make of what's happening to him in the blowback to that special?

01:13:26.520 Um, well, I'll say, I'll say this, um, whoever it is. And when you decide to cancel someone,

01:13:42.740 give them all their money back. If you're really serious, give him back the a hundred thousand

01:13:47.820 dollars, give him back all the money, everything he's ever given. If you're that serious about

01:13:53.680 a couple of people that are paid and, or whatever their agenda is, and you're going to let them

01:14:02.060 control the narrative, then you are just as part of the problem because, um, it is a problem.

01:14:11.340 It's a serious problem when you allow, you know, if you were going to start defining what is,

01:14:18.180 what is offensive, you better get in line. My wife has had battle cancer for, um, over 12, 13 years.

01:14:32.560 And I won't say it's from certain things, but maybe we should look at how many women have gotten

01:14:38.820 breast cancer ever since they came out with birth control. I'm not saying birth control is the cause

01:14:43.860 of it, but it's quite interesting. The numbers, maybe I find that offensive. I find offensive

01:14:49.700 how we sold wars to murder people and kill and genocide our own children to go to a place that

01:14:58.200 we had no right being and come back and not only just blow their limbs off, but now you destroyed

01:15:03.300 their mothers, their brothers, their children and generations. I find that offensive.

01:15:08.640 And when, if you start making, when you start making remarks, just the way you are, you're allowed

01:15:17.520 to say racist. You're allowed to say white supremacist. You're allowed to say whatever word you can,

01:15:23.880 but when the mirror is turned on you, you don't get a right to demand and control the narrative.

01:15:31.440 So to that, uh, I, I, um, you know, in my special, I mentioned gender and cut and I go after college

01:15:41.760 pretty hard. And I was a little nervous. I say words that we used to say in the eighties and

01:15:47.920 compared to today. And then when Dave came out and he said what he had to say, um, I didn't,

01:15:58.040 first of all, it's, it's like a TV show. Let's look at half the TV shows. There's no offensive

01:16:04.440 television. We call it acting and then you want to cancel it though. It's moronic, but it's dangerous.

01:16:11.560 It's demonic. And it's evil. It's well-funded and it's meant to mind terrorized and, and destroy.

01:16:25.960 And it's just another method of pulling people apart. And quite frankly, I have no respect for,

01:16:33.880 for that way whatsoever. I have no respect for anyone that tries to cancel things to me.

01:16:39.880 You're the problem. You're the issue. You're the division. You're the one that needs to find love

01:16:46.580 that you lost somewhere. You're the one that needs to heal from, from a wound that you took.

01:16:52.460 And it's not up to you to lash it out on an entire society and pull it in. It's like watching a three

01:16:59.360 year old jump up and down on a carpet, screaming and yelling. And no one's the, why the kid's drawing

01:17:07.720 all the attention. But at the end of the day, the kid is doing something that, um, quite frankly,

01:17:12.800 the parents don't want them to do. And they were, it's going to harm them or whatever, whatever the

01:17:17.020 scenario. What I'm saying is it, it looks like a three year old jumping up and down. And the fact

01:17:23.240 that, uh, corporate media or whoever the press allows this to be in the forefront. I call corporate

01:17:31.720 media, nothing short of terrorists. They're a mind evil, demonic terrorist. All of them.

01:17:39.880 They put out agendas to create a circus. Hey, you know, here's the Aaron Rogers. I can't believe

01:17:48.020 Aaron Rogers is a liar. I don't die. Well, I think he should do this side says this. Let's talk to that

01:17:55.260 side. Let's do this side. If you can see through all that, it's so obvious and it becomes comical

01:18:03.760 after a while. Um, Dave is a brilliant human being from what I remember. I haven't talked to him in

01:18:11.760 at least five years, if not more, I've emailed him. I haven't heard much from him in the last couple of

01:18:17.420 years, but I will say he was one of the most deepest, spiritual, smartest human beings I ever

01:18:24.660 seen. And he taught me a lot when we were doing half bait. I remember him going his exact words

01:18:30.640 were Jim, be careful. I see the way they're looking at you, man. And I'm like, what do you,

01:18:37.920 what do you talk? He's like, man, you don't understand. There's some evil things out here in

01:18:43.240 Hollywood. And I didn't really understand what he was talking about. And we would have long,

01:18:48.440 long discussions about a lot of things that are probably too heavy for a lot of people to listen

01:18:53.460 to. So at the end of the day, Dave is always going to say how he feels. He comes from somewhere that

01:19:02.420 he, he feels strong about it. Uh, I've always admired him. I will always admire him. Um,

01:19:12.340 and for those people that want to cancel him, I have no respect for them. I have no regard for

01:19:18.720 them because they're weak. Um, they're, they're, they're weak. They're weak. They are part of the

01:19:26.980 problem in our society. I'm sorry. I don't think he said, I don't think he said anything that was,

01:19:34.520 uh, pure malicious intent. At the end of the day, he's a comic. If they don't like the Megyn Kelly show,

01:19:42.340 you don't watch it. Right. If you don't watch it, that's what he said in the sticks and stone

01:19:48.080 special. He's like, Hey, you clicked on my face. Nobody made you come to Netflix and watch this

01:19:54.020 show. So you're out. It doesn't matter. You could scream and yell, but the reason why they're doing

01:20:00.980 this, maybe they're scared, maybe they're scared of perhaps looking into their own life, their own

01:20:12.260 decisions, their own parade. And maybe that it's always been, always be careful of the biggest

01:20:19.180 mouse. It's because they don't want to be looked at. Well, what about, by the way, I should, I should

01:20:28.600 update my reporting. And my team is telling me that Politico, which broke this story, just updated

01:20:32.960 their report to say the school now says we're going to reschedule it or it's postponed, but it's

01:20:38.880 rescheduled. So that's better than canceled. So we'll see. But let me ask you about that. Cause I

01:20:44.340 know, um, my team tells me that when we were doing the top of the show on Rittenhouse, you were doing

01:20:48.400 a Facebook post on that. And I think that's interesting cause it's, it's suffering. That

01:20:53.300 case is suffering from the same problem, right? That the media rushed to judgment.

01:20:58.280 It's just the pure sire. How do we keep the masters divided? Oh, you just constantly create new

01:21:05.560 scenarios and we'll, we'll, we'll keep them barking at one another. It's quite genius, sire. And it's

01:21:13.040 exactly what it is. It's here comes the Rittenhouse. Oh, clearly it was self-defense. I think he's

01:21:20.060 a murderer. Well, have you seen the people that he killed? They were a bunch of animals. What

01:21:24.800 was he doing there being a 16 year old child deserves to be hung? I think they should take

01:21:30.300 away everyone's guns because of him. I think it's quite the opposite. We should have more

01:21:34.140 guns. It's, it's a genius.

01:21:43.040 A genius platform to confuse you and to look in all different. Hey, Aaron Rodgers, he's

01:21:51.020 a liar. To hear Terry Bradshaw go on national TV going, let's just face it. He took a horse

01:21:58.760 pill. Are you really, really? Did you just say that? A drug that's been around for so long.

01:22:08.580 I've been on it. Yes. They have for animals, but they also have the human version. The, the,

01:22:16.560 the mindless, it's, it is, it's almost comical how, how, how, how mindless and the gene pull

01:22:28.480 just drops and people going, you know, I, you know, I used to be a team player.

01:22:32.460 I don't think he should get the shot. Why did he get, if he got the shot and he went,

01:22:36.460 oh my God, I think you shouldn't have a choice. Well, I think we're trying to say, you're a

01:22:41.260 grandma killer. You're selfish. I am to my freedom. Back to the Rittenhouse. Left, right. Facts,

01:22:49.180 not facts. Anti-facts. Gay, not gay. Transvestite, not a transvestite. We don't say that anymore.

01:22:54.380 Wait, that wasn't in Rittenhouse. What? That, that last piece wasn't in Rittenhouse. That's

01:23:00.540 the only thing that didn't make it into that trial. Transvestite, not transvestite. But I

01:23:04.700 understand your point. It's, it's, everyone gets very tribal on these things and resorts to their

01:23:09.260 sort of native team. Um, I would, I would like to exclude my, exclude myself. And I would say, I,

01:23:15.540 I didn't say much about Rittenhouse because I wanted to see what happened. I wanted to see the

01:23:18.800 evidence. And now as a lawyer, I've seen it. And this kid, he was, he was acting in self-defense and I

01:23:24.140 don't think there's any other conclusion now, having seen the actual testimony that was presented

01:23:27.800 before the jury. And you mark my words, when he is acquitted, um, it will not be accepted by the

01:23:34.080 media. They will not, it doesn't matter who steps in to tell them that it was self-defense. They

01:23:38.060 won't accept it. And I do believe that there sadly will be riots as a result of it. And the jury has

01:23:42.760 that weighing on them, which is unfair too. Um, I stole the last word on that. Wait, go, go ahead.

01:23:48.020 Yeah. You can have it. Yeah, no, it's, um,

01:23:51.960 I don't get involved. Um, the whole thing is tragic. And what people don't look at is

01:24:03.000 so many other people were murdered, innocently murdered and the brainwashing and mind control

01:24:13.160 propaganda that went on and continues to go on. It's been going on for the longest time.

01:24:18.540 You know, I remember my daughter at one point I sit and she's like, you know, we need to,

01:24:22.960 we need to be writing. I said, let me, let me ask you something. Are you okay with grandma

01:24:29.200 and pop pop driving to dinner that know nothing about anything? They just sit there and they watch

01:24:37.840 reruns. So if everyone loves Raymond and they get pulled out of their car and beat to death for

01:24:47.360 something that happened in a state they've never been to happened in a situation that they're

01:24:58.180 completely innocent of. You're okay with that. You don't see the madness in this all. You don't see

01:25:05.720 the mind terrorism and how the media created murder. They created fires. They created hate.

01:25:13.680 They created lying. You don't see how corporate media did that. You know, more peaceful protests

01:25:21.740 as someone's playing soccer with some old lady's head. Well, you know, there's nothing to see here.

01:25:28.060 You know, you may have a lot of people fooled, but at the end of the day, that is the pure demon.

01:25:33.780 That's the monster that has to end that hat. That's the monster has to be exposed.

01:25:40.760 You know, I don't, whatever the circumstances with this kid at the end of the day,

01:25:45.800 they were destroying lives, burning buildings, killing innocent people. You don't get to react

01:25:56.120 like that for something that you have nothing to do with period. If a comedian gets killed by a club

01:26:05.820 owner. And we know that club owners have been stealing from comedians for a long time. And we

01:26:11.620 know that they've been keeping us down and, and not doing it. Do we start burning all the comedy clubs?

01:26:17.640 Have we lost our common sense? I think we might have tonight. Don't forget on your program.

01:26:28.680 Show them lots of lights and big headlines. And it'll just be like a child. They'd love it.

01:26:32.940 Put in more colors and make it very loud so they can keep, they don't, and make sure you have

01:26:36.820 something on the bottom. It's like, Hey, listen, listen, listen, this, read the bottom, read the

01:26:40.260 bottom, listen, this, listen, this, read the bottom, read the bottom. Next on corny,

01:26:43.280 whatever. This is the latest. It's, it's madness. Well, I mean, I said before, if you don't think

01:26:50.800 that the media was manipulating you in blowing up cases like the Jacob Blake shooting, and the

01:26:55.540 George Floyd shooting, because we were in an election year, then you haven't been paying

01:26:59.140 attention. Because they do it every four years, especially in advance of a presidential election,

01:27:03.300 they pick a case, if it can make police look bad, so much the better, and they blow it up. And the

01:27:09.380 manipulation is then forgotten. And people forget, because then we get whatever,

01:27:13.280 Joe Biden, a Democrat in office, whomever it is, and something similarly bad looking on tape

01:27:19.220 will happen. And they ignore it. If it doesn't help their agenda, that they won't put it on

01:27:23.900 television, right? It's like, people forget. You've been unafraid to take a stand on many issues. But

01:27:30.780 the latest is the COVID vaccine mandates, saying you're not gonna, you're not going to perform in

01:27:37.120 a venue, make sure I have it right, not going to perform in a venue that mandates the little vaccine

01:27:42.360 card. Why was that important to you? Well, when we've reached

01:27:48.300 reached it, listen. Well, first of all, what I don't like is the ignorance of humanity, where

01:28:01.100 everyone now has become a doctor, and they know all the facts and figures. You know, at the end

01:28:06.180 of the day, that's just your cockatoo in you a cockatoo bird, where you just stare at the screen and

01:28:10.780 go, ah, facts and figures, facts and figures, ah. That's where you get your information. You didn't

01:28:17.580 sit there and think of it. So with that said, I have three very dear friends. One, I do a benefit

01:28:31.240 for every year. We do it Super Cooper. That's the name of the, and when the swine flu came out,

01:28:39.080 they gave their daughter a shot, and she woke up next day paralyzed.

01:28:47.580 And the trauma, not only from the child, but from the parents and the audacity and the inhuman

01:29:01.600 thought process of people going, oh, you know, that's one in a million. That's, oh yeah, until it's

01:29:08.300 your child, until it's your mother. And I also have a friend now, who runs a very successful comedy

01:29:18.400 club. And he just said, my hand to God, about three weeks ago, um, Jim, my, my daughter, she's in

01:29:27.720 college, and she, she, she got the thing, and because she wanted to do this, and she started

01:29:33.580 complaining, and long story short, she went from one specialist to the next specialist,

01:29:39.140 all the way to Sloan Kettering, where they had to cancel out, because they start growing little

01:29:44.180 tumors, they had to cancel out that it was cancer. But they did say, and as God is my witness,

01:29:51.700 yeah, that's from the, but if we, you know. So to force,

01:29:59.820 to force people to be entertained, I just want to entertain. When you start forcing people just to

01:30:11.300 have a laugh, you got to get injected. Now, whatever your stance is, I don't care anymore.

01:30:18.740 I really don't. I did. You can scream to you blue in the face. Well, it's for the benefit of other

01:30:24.200 people. I've never heard of a medicine that doesn't work once you have it, unless everyone

01:30:30.860 else takes it. Here, this, this is going to help me from going blind. Well, it doesn't work unless

01:30:36.240 everyone takes it. The, the thought process that, of that is mind-boggling. Um, I would get it if,

01:30:45.080 if it was a thousand percent pure, no problems. I get it. But I had COVID. My wife with stage four

01:30:55.920 cancer has had COVID. My daughter had COVID. Um, they told us to take vitamins and this and that.

01:31:04.340 And the exact quote from a infectious disease doctor said, you know, just tell me if it gets worse.

01:31:14.440 What kind of protocol is that from a doctor? Yep. Since when do we say, hang in there? Let me know if

01:31:22.720 it gets worse. Give me something that might work until it gets worse. Well, we're getting a little

01:31:32.740 better on the therapeutics. I mean, I'll say that, um, Jim's going to stay with us and we're going to

01:31:37.340 continue our conversation because it's just too good. So one of the callers just asked that I ask

01:31:46.260 you about a story when you were touring with Metallica, a dream come true for you. I know,

01:31:49.880 um, about someone who had suffered brain damage, who spoke with you and it became a life-changing

01:31:55.580 event. He was a veteran. He went over and you know, the golf and he came back and, um, he actually

01:32:05.380 survived that and then got in a bad motorcycle accident. He took a motorcycle and long story

01:32:12.600 short, he had brain damage, uh, couldn't, had trouble walking and just, he'd lived in a hospital

01:32:21.600 bed. Didn't want to live, got seriously depressed for a long time. And his wife, here's wife, Sarah,

01:32:27.440 Sarah and Pete is the couple. And, um, I'm hesitant to put their, uh, I'd love to like,

01:32:36.540 you can follow them. I follow them anyway. I'm not going to do it. So, because I don't want to

01:32:40.500 invade their privacy, but long story short, they would go to every single show and I would see them

01:32:49.560 in every show, you know, bands like Metallica, they have people that follow them everywhere.

01:32:54.860 And they were such a, to watch him in the beginning, he was always very quiet. Pete was quiet and,

01:33:01.720 you know, beer, he was always, um, didn't really say a lot. And, and long story short,

01:33:10.960 I remember Sarah telling me his story and it was so heartfelt and she cries while she says it.

01:33:16.840 And she says, you know, the reason I started following the band was because, um, I took,

01:33:24.260 he wanted to die. I was losing my husband. I was losing the person, the love of my life.

01:33:29.000 And one day I came home and he said, Metallica is coming. I want to, I want to see Metallica.

01:33:35.220 And I never saw him with so much like enthusiasm since, since the accident and all that.

01:33:41.440 And, um, she goes, okay, well, we'll figure out, you know, how to get you in a wheelchair and how

01:33:46.100 to get you to show. And long story short, they go to the show and they're waiting in line to buy

01:33:50.640 tickets. And now other people like, Oh, what happened to you? Oh, I'm a vet, blah, blah, blah.

01:33:54.460 You know, people talking, then they started going to every show and every month he has to go for

01:34:00.680 exams and they check, you know, they check his brain. And every single one was like, yeah,

01:34:05.500 still, you know, it's, it's, it's gone until I believe it was towards the end of the 2018 tour.

01:34:15.380 I want to say lighten up tour for Metallica. And she said, I have the email, Jim, you're not going

01:34:23.680 to believe what happened today. So she's like, Oh my God, is this a miracle of God? Long story short

01:34:31.520 for the first time ever, his brain started healing itself. It was a part of his brain that started

01:34:40.180 healing. And the doctors were convinced that it was from not just going to the Metallica and seeing

01:34:49.440 the band, the music. It was about the community, the thrive to live, the thrive, the inspiration,

01:34:55.560 the unity, the, the village, the family, and that somehow started. And so they wanted to,

01:35:05.920 Metallica then was going to go on a European tour. And this was all before COVID hit and all that jazz.

01:35:12.100 They want, they want to send him out with a monitor to see how it's working when he's at the shows,

01:35:18.840 how much it changes. And if they're onto a new way to start healing people, not only with brain

01:35:25.400 damage with all these other things. So it's a pretty powerful and amazing story, especially when

01:35:31.520 you, when you listen to his wife, Sarah, talk about it and they come see me all the time.

01:35:38.300 They're beautiful couple, but yeah, that was, it's a pretty amazing story.

01:35:44.280 It's the power of the human connection, sort of, you know, the thing we talked about earlier,

01:35:48.340 the thing that you recognized, I also have recognized is the thing we're here for.

01:35:55.400 Not money, not quote success, not necessarily fancy degrees, not fame, that human connection.

01:36:02.960 And it can be at church. It can be at a concert. It was the thing I liked best when I went to the

01:36:07.760 Today Show about being in front of a live audience there. You get that all the time as a standup

01:36:11.320 comedian, but I, I don't get it that often. It was so wonderful to spend time with a couple hundred

01:36:17.120 human beings every morning and see their faces and being with their energy, you know,

01:36:21.580 and bounce off of them, your ideas, your emotions. That was my favorite thing about the whole thing.

01:36:27.360 A lot of people don't get that. And it is, it's soul nurturing.

01:36:31.400 It is. It's, it's interaction. That's energy, the energy you're, we're talking and you spark

01:36:36.760 something to me and we're just, it's, it's, it's a light. It's a power. It's an energy. It's

01:36:41.340 beautiful. It's a spirit. It's, that's the way we move and groove that that is, it's very

01:36:46.020 essential. It's very powerful. It's very underrated. Well, so let's talk about the star

01:36:52.000 of your life and that is D your wife. Yeah. Um, she's, she's some sort of badass. I love the way

01:36:59.340 you talk about her because you've been open about the cancer diagnosis and yet I, God forbid, I ever

01:37:04.440 get cancer. I want my husband to talk about me the way you talk about D, which is like, she's still hot.

01:37:08.660 She's gorgeous. She, her body, her, her mind, like everything. It's like most of us, I'm lucky,

01:37:14.760 but most of us would love to have our spouse talk, talk like that about us on, on our best

01:37:18.520 day. Um, nevermind if we're going through a massive health challenge. So take me back to

01:37:23.840 the beginning. Cause it sounds like you and D met like sort of at the, was it at the peak

01:37:27.840 of your career? Was it in the nineties? No, it was prior. So we were, we were really good.

01:37:36.760 All right. So I grew up in Long Island and then my parents did the law. They retire, they moved

01:37:42.620 to Florida. I grew up on the same street my whole life. So I was pretty angry at them.

01:37:49.160 So now I think I was 19 years old, uh, and we moved to Florida and I was pissed. I didn't

01:37:55.540 want to, I can stand Florida. Uh, and then long story short, I moved back to Long Island

01:38:02.260 and I realized I couldn't make it. So I moved back to Florida. So when I moved, when I committed

01:38:06.820 to Florida, there was a girl that lived next door to me and we were really close friends

01:38:12.560 and long story short, I started dating a girl and D, my wife was her best friend.

01:38:18.660 Oh, really?

01:38:20.460 Never thought, never Megan. Again, extremely moral. I grew up with a lot of girls around

01:38:28.740 me. I have a lot of nieces close to my age. So I, I have this deeper respect. I know it

01:38:35.460 sounds corny, but for, for girls, women, the way men look at them. And because I would

01:38:40.640 see, you know, I'd go out with my nieces and I'd see the way guy like, Oh, whoa, easy.

01:38:45.900 That's my niece. Like, she's like a sister to me. So I, whatever the reason, um, she was

01:38:53.500 way off limits, but she had this glow about her and she was funny. Now, after we broke up,

01:39:00.360 she still would hang out because we were, we were like best friends. I knew everyone.

01:39:04.880 She was dating. She knew everyone I was dating. She called me up to make her laugh. Can you

01:39:09.940 come over? Tim's being a jerk. I just need to laugh. I'd come over and make her laugh and

01:39:15.660 be on my way. Um, then she moved, she left. Then I started doing standup comedy. And while

01:39:27.700 I was doing standup comedy, we kept the time we're talking late eighties, nineties. There

01:39:31.220 was no texting. There's no computer. If you, if you once in a while, she'd write a letter

01:39:35.900 and if you get a letter and you're not dating a girl, you know, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Um, not

01:39:43.720 writing a letter back. Um, so I decide I'm going to move to New York to chase television and,

01:39:54.000 and movies and standup career. I'm ready to go. I'm, I'm doing clubs in Florida and the

01:40:00.440 South and ready to go. And, uh, before I went one of my best friends, my best friend who

01:40:08.880 was in love with me. Um, I didn't realize how much she, she tragically passed away in a car

01:40:15.540 crash and I went to her grave site and I was like, uh, Kristen, I know, I know this sounds

01:40:21.800 crazy. It was God's honest truth. I said, I know this sounds, I know you, you would always

01:40:28.540 look out for me and you wanted the best for me. And I'm going to beg your spirit to look

01:40:32.740 after me because I'm going to make it. You said it and I feel it. I'm going to make it.

01:40:37.880 And I pray to God that that woman comes in my life before it happens. Cause I'll never know

01:40:42.720 if they really love me. Yeah. And so I go up to Long Island and I got, I'm staying with

01:40:52.800 my friend, Phil, his mom's, you know, I grew up with him and Phil's mom is a little tiny

01:40:57.600 lady. And she's, as soon as I get in the door, she's like, this girl, D keeps calling

01:41:02.660 and she's got a flower and I don't like it. She called too many, asking too many questions.

01:41:07.280 I don't like it, Jimmy. And I'm going D D from Florida. Why would she be? That doesn't

01:41:13.800 make sense. I only know one D and she had a Long Island number. So sure enough, it was

01:41:19.960 her and I blew her off for a good two weeks. Cause I'm here. I don't want to date. I just

01:41:26.040 wanted to work. I want to do comedy clubs. I want to get on television. I want, I'm chasing

01:41:30.820 a career. That's why I'm here. This is my college. This is my university. And she finally

01:41:36.900 says, you know, I just want, you know, I don't know anyone here dating a guy and I'm stuck

01:41:42.400 in Long Island. We agree. And we're going to meet at a gas station.

01:41:48.940 Nice.

01:41:49.340 Real romantic. Cause she said, you'll never figure out where I am. I'm on like, I'm in

01:41:54.580 this cove in this. It's a, we didn't, there were no ways and all that. Exactly.

01:42:00.640 You'll never figure it out. I'll meet you. I'll meet you at this gas station. I go. She's

01:42:04.680 not there. I'm pissed. I wait 15 minutes. I go to leave. I realized I got no gas. I go

01:42:13.220 pulling back in and start pumping my gas. I'm ready to leave again. She's not there.

01:42:18.420 The owner of the gas station comes out. He goes, Jim Brewer. I said to, he goes, we went

01:42:24.180 to, we went to NASA community college. I was going to play with you. Dude, you were

01:42:27.980 the best actor. What have you been doing? I'm going, Oh no, I don't want to have time

01:42:31.740 to talk to this guy. He's going to remember he used to do Batman. Do the Batman. Do the

01:42:36.040 Batman. Oh my God. He goes, come inside. You got to take my number. Like I, what are you

01:42:40.780 doing here? I said, I was supposed to meet some girl. She never, and all of a sudden it's

01:42:45.580 like a movie, Megan. I, uh, my hand, I got, I heard a gym and I looked in the doorway

01:42:53.080 over gas station and he turned and I turned and he goes, is that the girl you're supposed

01:43:00.820 to meet? And all, it wasn't that she was the sexiest thing in the last year. I cannot explain

01:43:06.720 it. Uh, my feeling was, Oh my God, this is my wife. This is going to be my wife. And we

01:43:17.320 hung out as best friends. When I say best friends, we laid everything on the line for,

01:43:24.240 for a while. And we were too scared to break that wall. This was, it felt so good being

01:43:32.480 such a close friend, telling your skeleton, she's telling it. And then we broke the wall.

01:43:39.400 And then six months later we're engaged and everyone said, you guys are crazy. You're too

01:43:43.700 young. I think I was just about to turn 26. She was 22. We had $200 between the two of

01:43:50.980 us. And she was there when we didn't have a squad. And we grew together. We went from living

01:44:03.120 in an attic of someone's house, paying 700 bucks rent. And for, for the heat, we'd leave the,

01:44:08.700 the gas stove open to heat up the top. And, and from that all the way until today, that

01:44:17.140 is the woman who I say, I mean, when it comes to a wife, this woman is so powerful. She's,

01:44:26.140 she's, she takes arrows from every direction. Like I'm going to be a mom. Oh, you don't want

01:44:32.800 a career. Oh God. We eat bonbons all day. Oh, what? You know, it's a, well, some of us

01:44:38.680 work, she'd hear snarky comments. And some of us don't have a husband that does, you know,

01:44:43.820 she, she would always take a beating from family members that would degrade her, take

01:44:49.560 her. And she always stood by me no matter what, no matter what. I said, D I think, I think

01:44:58.020 if I go in this direction, it's like, Jim, if you go in that direction, just do it. I've

01:45:02.720 got the kid, I got this, you go do what you got to do. And that is such a powerful partner

01:45:09.720 to have. And I, you know, I, I understand how people, you know, they, they don't last and

01:45:19.520 things happen, but you really have to put your ego, you know, it's not, it hasn't been

01:45:24.620 easy. We, there's been times where we're at our wits end. I'm not going to pretend it's

01:45:29.940 been absolutely amazing our whole lives. We still constantly have to work at it. We

01:45:35.760 still constantly have to help things. And, you know, I just had this conversation with

01:45:41.640 my friend last night, he went through a divorce and he's like, you know, my girlfriend leaves

01:45:46.340 little notes for me all over the place. I go, me and D still do that. Like we need a little

01:45:50.660 ump. I know she's going to be, I know she's going to get up and go on our computer. So I'll

01:45:55.000 leave on the computer. Hey, I hope you feel beautiful today because God, I love you. And

01:46:02.660 here's a flower for you. And I'm thinking of you. Oh, thanks for all you do. Those are just little

01:46:09.240 and she does the same. And it's, it's, you got to grow together, but I tell you,

01:46:14.660 it's, I thank God I asked for it. He's, he gave it to me. And I have to tell you,

01:46:23.220 if I saw a little note like that from Doug on the computer, I'd be like, he's trying to get some,

01:46:26.480 he's laying the foundation for later. I'm going to have to encourage him to use his writing skills

01:46:34.440 more often. Well, send him a Scud missile first. I call it Scud love missiles. Just send him one

01:46:42.500 where he doesn't expect, you know what a man, you know what a man loves, know what a man loves,

01:46:46.640 even though the woman loves it. I'm telling you, one of the game changers, when my wife started

01:46:51.380 going, she sent me a text going, can I just tell you, I appreciate all you do for our family

01:46:58.700 and all the hard work you put into it. And I know that it's so simple. Yeah. But I was just reading

01:47:05.480 that. I was like, Oh, wow. That made me, I'm like, Oh, I'm going to up this Annie. And then

01:47:11.980 it made me think I heard more. You got to give and take. And once in a while, the other side isn't

01:47:16.380 doing it. And you feel like you need it. Just put the pride and ego aside. Just send a little

01:47:23.640 love Scud missile. Yes. I like that. That's actually speaking of Dr. Laura, that's what she said. She

01:47:28.360 says, every man wants to feel like he's the hero of his family, of his wife, you know, her life.

01:47:33.260 And, and it's better to remind him of that. That's you're only going to get good goodness

01:47:37.420 back from him. If you reinforce that message, as opposed to like, why aren't you doing more? And

01:47:42.820 I'm doing too much. If you, if you actually think that the way forward is also to send the Scud

01:47:47.420 missile love muffin message. Yes, exactly. You got it. Both sides have to send those Scud minutes when

01:47:54.580 she's, when she's perhaps in the, in the, in the food store and she's got these three little

01:48:01.600 teenage terrorist with her, just my manipulating her, trying to divide and conquer us.

01:48:08.820 And she's had it with them. And then I just sent her a little, Hey man, I know you're in pure chaos

01:48:14.600 right now. And what those kids are doing to you. I can only imagine as I sit here in a hotel room,

01:48:20.360 just going, gee, I just want to let you know, I thank God I have you. That little, that little

01:48:32.640 oopsie off just got me a little, you know what? That's, that's amazing. I'm definitely going to

01:48:38.060 do this or that, or just send them like a picture of a boob. What? I think they're both going to work

01:48:43.820 out just as I hope. So we'll see. I'll get back to you. It doesn't, it doesn't hurt. It doesn't

01:48:52.380 hurt. No, I mean, men are very visual as you know, it doesn't work the other way around though. Don't

01:48:56.240 send pictures of your junk cause women do not know the same. You are a thousand percent correct. And

01:49:01.720 I'm glad you know that because I know my wife knows that too, because once in a while she will,

01:49:08.460 she will send, she won't go, she won't go actual boob. She'll just be on FaceTime. They're like,

01:49:15.880 you know what you're doing right now. Wait until you get home, stupid. Don't, don't. Like, I will,

01:49:25.380 I will. Exactly. Especially with your job. I see the point. You're out there on the road. Now you're

01:49:29.600 a big celebrity and all these women are like, Hmm, I would like to meet some Jim Brewer. Um, so what,

01:49:35.260 what, what, how, how do we talk about D and her health? Because I don't want to bring the room

01:49:40.900 down for you or anybody, but I also care about her and reading up on you, your marriage, your family.

01:49:47.320 I'm like, I want, I want D to do well. I want her to be okay. I know I've heard you in interviews say

01:49:54.520 it's terminal, but then years go by and she's, she's, she's doing okay. And I'm like, maybe this

01:50:00.240 is, maybe this is okay. Maybe they found a way to live with this and some therapeutics. I don't know

01:50:05.820 what it is, but I just feel like I'm rooting for her. I want her to be well. Well, this is, so do I.

01:50:14.360 Um, so what do we 2021, 2000? Wow. Um, six, it'll be damn five years. So it was a couple of years ago,

01:50:28.920 you know, first she, first she had breast cancer. She has the Brocker gene. Yeah. Okay. So, um,

01:50:36.520 she had, first she had the breast cancers. Yeah. These taken out and then she refused to do chemo.

01:50:43.200 She's, she's, she's missed only one good stuff in my body. Second go around went into a lymph nodes.

01:50:50.160 She does the chemo, um, which even during that time was one of the most powerful

01:50:59.480 moments in our lives too. I mean, I, I became popular again for making these Mets videos

01:51:07.840 and watching Mets games. And that was all because of her. It was all because of her. She literally was

01:51:13.920 that she's finished doing chemo. She's laying there and she's watching me watch the first game

01:51:19.680 of the Mets that year, acting like a looted devil. Why would you, why would you bring him in the seventh

01:51:24.900 inning? Stupid, but first of all, you gotta have, she just started going, Jim, Jim, like why? She says,

01:51:34.640 why didn't you make videos like this of you watching the game and doing a recap? Don't act,

01:51:40.420 just, just be yourself. Oh my God. The whole world should see this. And boom, every freaking game.

01:51:47.460 And it was like 2 million people and they made the world series that year. I'm like, who would have

01:51:52.640 thought? So even that dark moment, something beautiful and light and we were able to do so

01:51:58.680 much and live together. So then after that, it went away. And then, um, I remember coming home

01:52:07.680 and I saw this doctor's, she was hiding from me and I saw this thing in the kitchen. I'm like,

01:52:13.840 what is this? What, what, what is this biopsy for? She was, Oh, it's probably scar tissue. They,

01:52:21.800 the numbers were going up a day. I don't think you say anything seriously. And when we went there,

01:52:28.960 they were like, listen, it's over. What do you mean it's over? It's in her lungs, her liver bone. It's,

01:52:39.820 it's, it's, it's metastasized. It's, it's everywhere but the brain. We're like,

01:52:44.600 well, how, how long do we, like, what can we do? It's not what you do. We can maybe get you in a

01:52:57.440 trial if you're up for that. Um, otherwise we can get you drugs that can help you through the pain

01:53:04.960 for like, how long? Nine months. Wow. And I remember as a joke, because me and D are funny

01:53:12.500 together. I looked at the doctor and went, is there any way I can get some of these drugs to

01:53:17.420 deal with this? And she belly laughed. I laughed. The doctor did not think that was funny. The doctor

01:53:25.900 was like, you sick. I'll never forget that. And she's like, no, no, no. He's comedian. Trust me.

01:53:32.180 This is not abusive. Trust me. This is his thing. I swear. He's not a narcissist. Trust me.

01:53:40.920 But she, we had a friend, um, and the friend was like, give me the blood work. Look at the

01:53:48.520 blood work said, you've got to fly to Houston. We went to Houston. The Houston doctor said,

01:53:52.820 you need to be in Philadelphia right now. They have a trial for you. And this is the biggest,

01:53:59.180 best trial for anyone with a Brock or Jean it's worldwide. This is the place you pen, Philadelphia.

01:54:07.820 And she went there and so far, um, they're not all gone, but, uh, half them have disappeared and

01:54:20.440 every other one is pretty much shrunk and it's sustained. So terminal meaning it'll never as their

01:54:27.960 words, it'll never just go away. Um, however, it's not killing you and we're keeping it at bay. If not

01:54:37.020 even, like I said, a bunch of shrunk and, and the others have disappeared. And so that is, uh,

01:54:48.100 she's going on five years and it's almost just like you said, I'm always, it's like, yeah,

01:54:53.220 she's got terminal, even though we're going on to five years and which I shouldn't feel guilty

01:54:59.560 saying that, but it's just the God's honest truth. And I remember three years ago, they said,

01:55:06.020 listen, you're the, um, you're the last one on the trial and like, whoa, but you're doing amazing.

01:55:15.120 And I do think a lot of it has to do a, with her faith. She has a very strong faith and her outlook

01:55:23.080 and faith. And the other thing has to deal with, she's extremely healthy. She doesn't drink. She

01:55:29.980 doesn't smoke. Um, she doesn't do caffeine. She's, she does shakes. She tries to eat well,

01:55:36.640 you know, she has ice cream here and there. She's not militant, but she tries to stay away from gluten.

01:55:41.600 Anything that, anything that, um, uh, what do they call it? Gluten? Like, I don't know.

01:55:47.440 Inflammatory?

01:55:49.440 Ah.

01:55:50.160 Anything inflammatory?

01:55:51.720 Yes. Inflammatory. So, um, and you know, she looks smoking. She's beautiful. It's, uh, it's,

01:55:59.760 it's like, she gets better looking each year. It's my, it's, I'm not complaining. It's mind boggling

01:56:04.440 and beautiful. So this is, this is the thing. I listened to you among other places. Um, on,

01:56:11.220 um, I, the, the name is escaping me right now, but it was a, it's a podcast on fatherhood,

01:56:15.500 right? You did this. Yeah. And it was so good. You were, you were talking all about,

01:56:20.300 about her, about your daughters, your three daughters, one of whom still in the house,

01:56:24.420 the other two off to college and getting older now. But, um, it, it brought me back hearing about

01:56:29.920 this, right? This issue. And I know you've been dealing with some stuff with your youngest daughter

01:56:33.720 and so on, not to mention your parents. It's, it's right back to, we, we heard why you made the

01:56:39.680 choices you made, right? Like why it wasn't going to work for you to just put all of your energy into

01:56:45.060 becoming a bigger star and having more money and raising to the top of your game. And this is the

01:56:51.320 payout, right? Like this is the moment, one of them, where you look back and you say, my kids are

01:56:56.460 doing well. I'm, I've been with my wife for this whole struggle. She didn't have to go through this

01:57:02.640 alone and she's doing better than expected, right? This is it. This is like, it's not often you get

01:57:10.720 to say I'm at the moment where I'd have all the regrets and I don't have them. Well, that's my Oscar.

01:57:19.040 That's my Emmy. That's the comedian of the year. Any award that I ever thrive for in the past,

01:57:28.720 that's 10 times better. And I'm okay with that. That is, that is the, you know, I used to say,

01:57:37.380 I would talk about my daughter when, when my dad passed away and I'm not into dates. I'm not into

01:57:43.320 dates whatsoever. Like I can tell you, you know, when my mom passed away, when my mom, I don't,

01:57:49.400 I don't get into dates. I think it boggles you down for me, boggles you down. You're like, Oh my God,

01:57:53.860 it's the day she died. Oh my God. So, um, but it was about a year after my dad passed.

01:58:02.740 And at the same time, my sister passed about a month and a half later, it was very tragic and it was,

01:58:08.920 it was brutal. So with that said, um, we, we were upstate New York. My wife was done with chemo and

01:58:18.760 her hair was really short, which I thought she looked sexy. She had like her hair was gray, but it

01:58:23.500 was just, the color was beautiful. I thought she looked vibrant. Um, she was a little embarrassed

01:58:29.720 to go around in public and we rented a place up near Woodstock, New York. And my daughter one night,

01:58:38.540 we were at a fire pit with my friends and she's like, dad, can I borrow your phone? Dory, it is

01:58:43.240 10 o'clock. Go to bed. We need my phone for sure. I just need, it's really important. I went, Dory,

01:58:48.660 go to bed. Let the, let the grownups talk. And no, you're not going on the phone as a nine-year-old

01:58:53.180 at this age, go to bed. She's like, dad, please. I just want. So long story short, she leaves,

01:58:59.180 she's a little aggravated, but she's not pissed. And I said, why does she need a phone?

01:59:02.300 So I'm ready to go to bed and I see, I got a message. It's about 1130 at night and I don't

01:59:11.340 know how she did it. She, you know, it was from my daughter. And if I had my phone in

01:59:15.520 front of me, I would read it, but you'd probably start bawling. Um, which is what I did. She

01:59:21.940 like a year ago today. Um, grandpa, God took grandpa. He was my best friend. I bet you he's

01:59:31.080 up there at the elk's lodge, making spaghetti with the aunt Patty. If you look to the sky

01:59:36.900 tonight, you'll see the biggest, beautiful star. I think that's grandpa's angel. And I

01:59:41.540 was like, at the end of the day, I was like, that's my Oscar. That's the Emmy. That's the

01:59:58.460 ultimate reward. I may not be on the cover magazine. I may not be on the pedestal. Like

02:00:04.020 we got to say the old time lights. That is such a bigger reward that the everyday normal

02:00:11.220 human. Don't ever take that for granted. That's a beautiful pet. You did. You're doing

02:00:17.800 your job. That is powerful. Now, you know, she may be kicking my ass right now as a 60 year

02:00:24.520 old, but at the time, I remember, I remember, I haven't forgotten. You are, you're brilliant.

02:00:31.340 You're, you're more than brilliant. You're wise. Thank you for sharing so much of yourself

02:00:36.880 with us. I'm truly honored. I've never done this before. I kept somebody since we started

02:00:40.360 the live radio show, kept somebody past the end of it. I could go for another three hours.

02:00:45.420 I hope you'll come back.

02:00:47.780 Anytime, Megan, I wish you and your family all the best. Um, I thank you for having me on here.

02:00:54.220 And I thank you for allowing me just to share with everyone else experiences that I'm hoping

02:01:00.900 will eventually inspire or help them or make them laugh or whatever. Anyway, thank you very much.

02:01:07.020 And thanks to all of you for joining us. I want to tell you that on Monday, we're going to take a

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 12, 2021

Jim Breuer on the Downsides of Fame and Vanity, SNL in the 90s, and Canceling Chappelle ｜ Ep. 202

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