The Megyn Kelly Show - Joy Reid Finally Fired, Bongino Joins Trump Admin, and Possible Russia-Ukraine Peace Deal, with Victor Davis Hanson

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00:00:30.980 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.780 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:00:46.940 Well, we might get a peace deal in Ukraine this week.

00:00:50.800 And the media is freaking out about Elon Musk emailing every government employee this weekend.

00:00:55.480 But the big news tonight will be Joy Reid's final show on MSNBC.

00:01:02.900 Single-tier white woman tears happening right here, Joy.

00:01:07.360 She was officially fired over the weekend because she's a racist, horrible news anchor with no ratings.

00:01:14.240 And that's really been the truth for a long time.

00:01:18.820 MSNBC is under new management, and I guess they decided to come to grips with reality.

00:01:23.880 The truth is, this is very sad news for us, as she's provided so much material over the years.

00:01:29.740 I feel the way I felt when Brian Stelter got fired, but he came back, and you never know.

00:01:35.680 I'm sure Joy Reid will wind up doing something where we will continue to get to respond to her absolutely insane POV.

00:01:44.660 We're going to get into what it means with our guest today for the full show, Victor Davis Hanson.

00:01:49.920 He's a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, author of the book, The Case for Trump.

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00:02:58.520 VDH, welcome back.

00:03:00.260 Thank you for having me, Megan.

00:03:02.260 Oh, I like the Matt Drudge hat look today.

00:03:05.560 Very soft.

00:03:05.760 Oh, I don't know if it's Matt Drudge.

00:03:07.300 I don't think it's Matt Drudge.

00:03:08.800 Well, obviously, Matt Drudge.

00:03:11.980 We no longer recognize Matt Drudge, the actual.

00:03:14.300 No, I don't.

00:03:15.060 I don't know.

00:03:15.820 I don't know what happened to him.

00:03:17.180 Something happened.

00:03:17.820 Neither do I.

00:03:18.880 Somebody said, and this is totally unconfirmed, but somebody told me when I was in, you know,

00:03:23.380 some political muckety-muck circles over the Super Bowl weekend that they heard he got bought

00:03:30.540 out by somebody with, like, hundreds of millions, and that person is a leftist and kind of purchased

00:03:35.820 his opinion.

00:03:36.800 That doesn't sound like Drudge to me, but what the hell do I know?

00:03:40.700 Okay.

00:03:41.100 I know.

00:03:41.560 Forget about him.

00:03:42.680 Let's talk about Joy Reid.

00:03:44.380 I'm so torn.

00:03:46.020 Oh, Victor, I'm so torn.

00:03:48.040 You know, I'm thrilled she's gone.

00:03:49.660 She literally was the most racist person on television, her and her most favorite guest,

00:03:54.160 Eli Mistel, or Ellie Mistel.

00:03:56.760 So they deserve 100% both to be fired, but, you know, it's like we won't have her to kick

00:04:03.300 around anymore, and there's a little sadness in that.

00:04:05.460 This is one of the many reasons why most of us are absolutely delighted to see her get fired

00:04:11.740 from this show, and it appears from MSNBC, tonight we believe we'll be here last night,

00:04:19.280 a little walk down memory lane in Sat One.

00:04:23.160 But in America, there's a thing about both white vigilantism and white tears, particularly

00:04:30.960 male white tears.

00:04:33.820 Really white tears in general, because that's what carrots are, right?

00:04:37.480 They carrot out, and then as soon as they get caught, it's like, green waterworks.

00:04:41.200 Ron DeSantis has been waging a full-scale war against the black past.

00:04:46.980 It's illegal to make white people feel uncomfortable in Florida.

00:04:50.540 You also have the restrictions in schools over what can be taught about race and gender,

00:04:54.520 for fear white children might feel bad when they find out that not all white people in

00:04:58.560 history were heroes.

00:04:59.500 Do any of you guys trust Uncle Clarence?

00:05:01.740 These Republicans are dangerous.

00:05:03.420 They're dangerous to our national security, because stoking that kind of soft white nationalism

00:05:08.840 eventually leads to the hard force.

00:05:11.680 From the Tea Party on, they're voting on race, the idea that they can't get whatever job they

00:05:16.740 want.

00:05:17.060 A black person got it, therefore drive all the blacks out of the colleges.

00:05:20.180 Just voting specifically on racial animus at this stage, it isn't about economics.

00:05:25.480 They want to turn every state into their white Christian nationalist hell.

00:05:30.300 Now, it's DEF CON 1, y'all.

00:05:32.460 Take action and stay woke.

00:05:38.200 So, we'll miss her a little, I guess.

00:05:42.960 Victor, what do you make of the fact that even MSNBC finally had enough?

00:05:48.240 Yeah, I mean, if you had just substituted the word black for white, and any other person

00:05:56.480 had said what she did, and just said black instead of white, they would have been fired

00:06:00.160 in 24 hours.

00:06:01.680 She knew that, too.

00:06:03.320 So, she, I remember, though, you remember, Megan, when she first got on, she had this whole

00:06:09.180 paper trail of being a homophobe.

00:06:11.440 Do you remember that?

00:06:12.540 Yes.

00:06:12.800 And she said, and then she said, I'm going to get the FBI to investigate because I was

00:06:17.720 hacked.

00:06:18.440 And then she completely lied on the air.

00:06:20.680 She was never hacked.

00:06:21.680 And then she said she may not have been hacked, but she couldn't.

00:06:24.680 Then she said she was almost as if she was in a suspended state of animation.

00:06:28.240 I may have written this, but I don't remember ever saying this.

00:06:32.580 And it was so pathetic.

00:06:34.640 She would have been, yeah, she should have been fired for that.

00:06:37.320 And then she had a big rant once, I remember, where she was mad that so-called white women

00:06:42.720 had cornrows, and this was cultural appropriation, and she was going to wear authentic black

00:06:47.880 hairstyles.

00:06:49.760 And then all of a sudden, she started wearing blonde.

00:06:51.820 She dyed her hair blonde and straightened.

00:06:53.700 She looked like Trump.

00:06:55.260 Yeah.

00:06:55.720 I thought, wow, you're culturally, why do you want to look like an Anglo-Saxon after you

00:07:00.280 gave a lecture that nobody should culturally-

00:07:01.580 Why can't I wear the cornrows or have my daughter get cornrows in the Bahamas on a trip?

00:07:05.960 But she can take my hair.

00:07:07.340 She can try to imitate my hair.

00:07:08.420 No problem whatsoever.

00:07:09.680 So all I'm saying is that she was a sad person.

00:07:13.560 She had a horrible, I'm not trying to psychoanalyze her, but she was terribly insecure.

00:07:19.200 And it came out, it just exuded from her, insecurity, insecurity, insecurity.

00:07:24.840 And she was thrashing around.

00:07:26.720 And it was really the problem of the management to put her out there.

00:07:30.140 They should have yanked her from the very beginning.

00:07:32.760 And that Ellie Mustel, he was an outright racist.

00:07:35.000 I remember he said right after COVID, I got used to not seeing white people anymore.

00:07:41.820 And it was a good feeling.

00:07:43.480 And he just said things that were, I mean, they were horribly racist.

00:07:48.460 And they kept spouting that filth.

00:07:52.700 And it was horrible.

00:07:53.820 And nobody ever said anything.

00:07:55.420 And then finally, the only, and her ratings had stayed, I don't think they were ever great.

00:08:00.560 But the only reason they took them off is that people got sick of her after the election.

00:08:04.900 But, or they would have kept her on.

00:08:06.720 They were never bothered by what she said.

00:08:08.560 They were just trying to adjudicate whether it was good enough to justify the advertisers.

00:08:14.240 I don't know.

00:08:14.720 So they replaced her with two, three other hosts, two of whom are black, one of whom is Hispanic.

00:08:21.640 And I guess they think that will save them.

00:08:23.700 We'll see.

00:08:24.480 They fired everybody.

00:08:25.900 Her entire staff has been laid off, which apparently they found out about the cancellation from the trade mags or from the internet, same as the rest of us.

00:08:35.660 Classic NBC move.

00:08:37.580 They're such a classy group over there.

00:08:38.960 But it is true that among the dumbest people over at MSNBC, she appears to have been the dumbest and the worst rated.

00:08:47.520 We just pulled the ratings from Thursday night.

00:08:49.480 On Thursday night, this is in the 25 to 54 demo.

00:08:52.840 I mean, this is just unbelievable.

00:08:53.920 Like, truly.

00:08:55.160 When I was at Fox, a bad night in the demo would be in the threes, 300 and change.

00:09:02.140 But it was often 600,000, 700,000 and change.

00:09:05.860 In the demo, those are now the overall numbers.

00:09:08.960 The total audience numbers on a great number for most of cable news.

00:09:14.660 Here's her demo number from Thursday night.

00:09:18.080 59,000.

00:09:19.960 She was 4,000 away from Slashies, which is, well, no, 9,000, which is 50,000.

00:09:26.180 She was 59,000.

00:09:28.240 That's what she got in the overall demo.

00:09:29.520 She lost to her competitor on CNN, who had 104,000.

00:09:34.640 Lost to Laura Ingram, who had 389,000.

00:09:38.480 Lost the whole ratings race inside MSNBC, where their great white hope, Jen Psaki, who's taking over now at nine.

00:09:47.180 This is all part of a reshuffling.

00:09:50.280 She got 65,000 in the key demo.

00:09:53.620 65.

00:09:54.580 That's okay.

00:09:55.780 That's their future.

00:09:57.200 Rachel Maddow.

00:09:58.100 She's their big star for $30 million a year.

00:10:00.920 All you have to pull is 144,000 in the demo, which I think is what we got.

00:10:08.940 I don't even, I mean, like maybe overnight at 3 a.m. during a weekend program lineup at Fox.

00:10:16.460 144,000 now earns you $30 million a year on MSNBC.

00:10:20.020 And then the next lowest, well, after Reed and Psaki was Stephanie Ruhle with 88,000.

00:10:27.900 Lawrence O'Donnell got 103,000.

00:10:29.660 These are all terrible, terrible, terrible numbers.

00:10:32.100 And that's one of the many reasons Joy Reed is out, because she was not only a racist, very obvious and incredibly alienating, but she didn't rate, Victor.

00:10:41.500 And I think she lasted longer than she otherwise would have, given the fact that she constantly played the race card.

00:10:46.740 Yeah, and one of the reasons they lost the election, there were many, but one of the reasons is that they were so anachronistic.

00:10:53.860 They looked at these legacy media, NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, NPR, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, Washington Post, New York.

00:11:05.120 And they thought that because 60 Minutes, they thought that these were back, they were back in the 1960s or 70s with these huge ratings.

00:11:12.300 And then they didn't realize that, you know, Joe Rogan, your show, all these podcasters, all this, Fox is doing well.

00:11:21.040 Newsmax had bigger than some of these people.

00:11:23.920 There was a whole, and then there were online influence.

00:11:26.200 There was a whole new media.

00:11:28.260 And you think that these hip people from Silicon Valley who were left wing would have told them or somebody, but they were very out of date, old fuddy duddies.

00:11:38.780 And they kept, they kept sending, they didn't put, they had an opportunity with Joe Biden at the Super Bowl.

00:11:45.880 They had an opportunity with Kamala Harris to go on Joe Rogan.

00:11:49.220 They had, and they just were so either out of it and they didn't understand that the whole media world had changed or they were afraid because they were not these sympathetic, obsequious, left wing legacy interviewers.

00:12:01.780 Or they had to pay them like Oprah or Cardi B or somebody, but whatever it was, they, they didn't understand the new media at all.

00:12:11.300 Yeah.

00:12:11.960 And we'll, we'll see whether, I mean, she's probably going to come, come over into the digital lane.

00:12:16.420 We'll see whether she has any followings.

00:12:17.640 So far, like Tiffany Cross, who also had this type of a program on MSNBC, which is just all about her hatred for whites.

00:12:25.700 She decided to go independent.

00:12:27.180 She's been an abject failure.

00:12:29.340 Don Lemon's podcast, abject failure.

00:12:32.020 So we'll see how she does.

00:12:33.740 Um, here is just a couple of, uh, bits of background on the, her, uh, anti LGBTQ past.

00:12:42.020 Between 2007 variety provided this good recap and 09, she blogged about then Florida governor, Charlie Crist, referring to him as Ms. Charlie tagging the posts, gay politicians, suggesting that gay men prey on young men in a way that many people consider to be immoral.

00:12:59.860 She said she was repulsed by the film Brokeback Mountain and said, does that make me homophobic?

00:13:04.660 Probably in a 2018 statement.

00:13:07.080 She claimed that the posts were fabricated by an unknown external party who'd gained access to her blog.

00:13:11.680 She said she'd hired a cybersecurity expert.

00:13:14.260 I remember this.

00:13:14.900 This is so fun.

00:13:16.280 She later conceded no evidence of hacking had been found.

00:13:20.180 She issued a blanket apology, noting quote, I genuinely do not believe I wrote those hateful things because they were completely alienated to alien to me.

00:13:29.320 But I can definitely understand based on things I have tweeted and have written in the past, why some people don't believe me.

00:13:35.620 Also that because we have brains and we know no one jumped on your blog to write a bunch of homophobic stuff and nothing else and then got off.

00:13:45.420 But, yeah, if you have someone like that, that is so egregious and just flat out lies and then you keep her there, then that tells her, I can do anything on the air.

00:14:00.520 I can say anything outrageous because I have said the most, done the most outrageous thing in the world and they kept me here.

00:14:06.920 And they knew that.

00:14:08.280 And after that, they had no control over her because she always felt she could play the race card because she had.

00:14:15.260 And the same thing with her guest.

00:14:17.700 And I think.

00:14:19.860 Here's a thought for one second.

00:14:21.460 We have a little bit more because the other thing that kept her on the air was her serious case of TDS.

00:14:27.800 I mean, she's a massive Trump hater.

00:14:30.860 They all are on MS, but my God, this woman's unhinged a few examples.

00:14:37.340 We've laid out the stakes in this crucial election where one side stands for freedom while the other meets the textbook definition of fascism, namely a far right dictatorial regime like Hitler's Germany.

00:14:50.080 We still don't know for sure whether Donald Trump was hit by a bullet.

00:14:55.580 For me, there is something wonderfully poetic.

00:14:58.340 The first person to actually criminally prosecute Donald Trump is a black Harvard grad and a black woman is doing that same exact thing in Georgia.

00:15:08.960 Donald Trump is being held to account by the very multicultural, multiracial democracy that he's trying to dismantle.

00:15:17.180 Go DEI.

00:15:18.120 My DEIs are bringing it home.

00:15:19.820 What he's telling his voters, his black Haitians are violent cannibals.

00:15:25.720 Black people are the enemy.

00:15:27.920 Black people are going to be responsible if and when I lose.

00:15:31.320 And you are permitted through my language to do violence to them.

00:15:36.400 That is her interpretation of Springfield.

00:15:39.940 It's crazy.

00:15:41.040 She's not very bright because you can make the argument that the 23 to 26 percent of black males that voted for Donald Trump might have made the difference in places like Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and Milwaukee and Detroit that put him over the top on the electoral college.

00:15:57.640 He almost split the Hispanic vote and he got a record number of Jewish voters.

00:16:03.420 So when she said that about black people are going to make the difference, yeah, they did make the difference in getting them elected.

00:16:09.620 And he kept pretty steady with white males, his base.

00:16:12.680 He didn't lose any.

00:16:13.480 But where he got that extra million and a half were from minorities.

00:16:17.780 And the reason is, is that they don't listen to people like her anymore.

00:16:21.900 An increasing number at least don't.

00:16:23.780 They look at things like energy prices and inflation.

00:16:27.680 And they don't like to hear all that because, you know, you know, where I am at the Hoover Institution, you know, when I used to talk to Tom Sowell or Shelby Steele or Chiron Skinner, it was almost as if it was as if that you didn't even realize what color you were.

00:16:46.880 It was just on the strength of an idea that you assess people.

00:16:50.380 And that's they welcome that.

00:16:52.160 And a lot of African-Americans do, I think an increasing number do.

00:16:56.280 And then she comes in and because she's not very well versed and she's not very bright, then she has to play the race card.

00:17:03.360 And then people who, you know, are very accomplished don't want to have anything to do with her.

00:17:08.740 And because she she kind of she pollutes the whole racial dialogue.

00:17:13.580 She's done a lot of damage is what I'm trying to say, Megan.

00:17:16.220 She's not just an entertainer.

00:17:17.640 She's a hate monger and she's she's done a lot of damage and she's brought a lot of people are angry at her.

00:17:24.560 And I and she brought it on herself.

00:17:29.220 Totally.

00:17:30.620 I have zero sympathy for her.

00:17:32.060 You know, people say like, oh, you shouldn't celebrate when somebody loses their job.

00:17:35.580 Well, who says I can't?

00:17:37.420 I am.

00:17:38.040 I am celebrating.

00:17:38.920 She deserves it.

00:17:40.400 She never should have been on there to begin with.

00:17:42.220 She's talentless.

00:17:43.500 Honestly, she she makes her talent.

00:17:45.040 So-called talent is being a racist on TV.

00:17:47.680 That's her talent.

00:17:48.580 She's she'll say the most incendiary, nasty things possible about whites and blacks who are conservative.

00:17:56.840 That's the main criteria.

00:17:58.160 If you're white, doesn't matter your politics.

00:17:59.680 She doesn't like you.

00:18:00.460 If you're a black person who's conservative, she hates you even more than she hates the whites.

00:18:04.660 Clarence Thomas is one.

00:18:05.960 I mean, anybody who pipes up as a black conservative is the enemy to Joy Reid.

00:18:10.820 We checked in just to see if has she changed at all?

00:18:13.760 What's like what happened on her most episode?

00:18:16.440 So we went to Friday just to pull a clip and take a look at this one.

00:18:19.280 This is Wajahat Ali, who is also a terrible person, who was part of that infamous panel

00:18:24.340 with Don Lemon about these Republicans in their maps and they're so stupid.

00:18:29.920 So here he is now this time with Joy Reid and what would maybe be her ultimate or penultimate

00:18:36.220 show.

00:18:36.540 Every community has what I call their chickens for Colonel Sanders.

00:18:41.100 So what I want to tell the Byron Donalds and every community has got a Donald.

00:18:44.420 I got a Kash Patel.

00:18:45.840 We got a we got a Nimrod.

00:18:47.560 But you know, we got the Haley.

00:18:48.900 We all got them.

00:18:49.680 All right.

00:18:50.160 What I want to say is this.

00:18:51.320 They'll never love you.

00:18:52.840 They'll never love you.

00:18:54.260 No matter what you do.

00:18:55.580 They'll never love you.

00:18:56.540 Can never wipe out that brown or black skin.

00:18:58.700 She's shaking her head up and down, up and down as he's saying it.

00:19:03.260 You can't be a Republican if you're Byron Donalds, Victor.

00:19:06.400 They'll never love you.

00:19:07.640 They all secretly hate you.

00:19:09.260 You are, as he put it, a chicken for Colonel Sanders.

00:19:13.980 Yeah, I mean, that's one of the reasons they lost that iconic moment when Barack Obama

00:19:18.620 started dressing down those staffers.

00:19:20.840 Remember for Kamala Harris, those black, young, really idealistic people and they were

00:19:25.320 working for and he came over and said, you really basically said to them.

00:19:28.700 You're suffering from Marxist false consciousness.

00:19:31.480 You don't know that you're supporting sexists and racists, but I have to tell you that because

00:19:36.640 I'm morally superior and intellectually superior and I've got to tell you what you're doing

00:19:40.800 because you're so stupid to find out.

00:19:43.180 And that condescending attitude was why people that were sort of on the grassroots in popular

00:19:51.160 culture, some of the rappers, people like Stephen Smith, Charlemagne the God, not that

00:19:57.840 they were for Trump, but they got so sick of all these elite African-American, bi-coastal

00:20:03.540 elite, which they played the same role, Megan, to the African-American male community that

00:20:09.660 white liberals on the coast and the media universities do to the working class people

00:20:14.400 of East Palestine, Ohio.

00:20:15.780 It's that condescending, we are ashamed of you idea.

00:20:20.480 You're of our same race, but we're ashamed of you.

00:20:23.480 And that gave a lot of latitude for Donald Trump.

00:20:26.720 What he was basically saying is all you people who are poor whites or middle-class whites or

00:20:31.720 middle-class blacks or poor middle-class Hispanics, you all have more in common with each other

00:20:37.080 than you do with these people.

00:20:38.300 And he was able to, you know, he didn't get a majority, but he was really able to make

00:20:42.960 inroads in that.

00:20:44.040 And it was a class, shared class anger and repulsion at elites of each of these groups.

00:20:51.980 And what it did is under Trump, Trump really was a maestro at it.

00:20:56.280 He was able to tell these people, if you're a white truck driver, if you're a black carpenter,

00:21:01.320 if you're a Hispanic contractor, you have more in common, you guys, with each other.

00:21:04.880 And that iconic moment, again, at that McDonald's, when the guy from India and his wife were there,

00:21:12.780 and he said, I'm just an ordinary person.

00:21:15.220 And Trump said, you're not ordinary.

00:21:16.920 That was right off the cuff.

00:21:18.460 And then his wife said, you took a bullet for us.

00:21:20.560 He said, you know, I guess I did.

00:21:22.700 And those moments were really, they resonated throughout the campaign.

00:21:26.960 And these people kept trying to play this 1960s, you know, Black Panther almost line.

00:21:34.640 And no, everybody was sick of it.

00:21:36.060 They were completely sick of it.

00:21:38.300 And I hope that they keep doing it because the, I guess, Mark Penn came out this week

00:21:45.320 with polls that show that the Democratic, everybody was saying that the Trump honeymoon

00:21:50.400 will end very quickly and he's doing such controversial things.

00:21:53.740 And maybe he slipped a point or two, but you look at the Democratic polls and they're not

00:21:58.560 getting any better.

00:22:00.260 Whatever they're doing is not working.

00:22:01.580 I mean, James Carville just gave an interview to Dan Abrams saying that just be quiet because

00:22:07.080 the Trump White House is imploding and it'll be over.

00:22:09.260 I think he said in six weeks or 30 days to six weeks, it'll be over.

00:22:12.760 They're just imploding.

00:22:14.000 Then drops a Harvard-Harris poll today showing Donald Trump approval rating 52%, disapproval

00:22:20.040 43%.

00:22:20.820 Well, it doesn't feel like it's imploding, but okay, we'll wait, James.

00:22:24.480 That was a rare, hard miss from James Carville.

00:22:28.220 And that's a really good point about James Carville because he was always posed as the

00:22:32.420 authentic voice of the working man Democrat, but he'd become just like the bi-coastal elite.

00:22:37.280 And you could really see the other day when Stephen Smith said something about politics

00:22:41.560 and he just went into a profanity-ridden thing.

00:22:45.000 You don't know anything about politics.

00:22:47.480 State, you're an ESPN sports announcer.

00:22:50.120 You don't know anything.

00:22:50.860 And it sounded like a professor.

00:22:53.900 You know, it sounded like a media grandee that was dressing down somebody.

00:22:58.120 And here was this so-called white working class voice of the Clinton years acting like

00:23:04.060 an elite talking to this black man and saying, you don't know your rear end from a hole in

00:23:08.920 the ground and started lecturing him.

00:23:11.580 And they can't help it.

00:23:13.600 And that's who they are now.

00:23:15.140 They're a condescending, out-of-touch elite.

00:23:18.440 And they think that the more heat, the more profanity, the more screaming, the more threats,

00:23:23.900 the more light they're going to get.

00:23:25.180 And it's not working.

00:23:26.920 And we'll see what happens in the midterms.

00:23:29.980 But their strategy of demonizing, it's not working so far.

00:23:33.240 And I think he said 30 days, so we'll see.

00:23:34.320 Okay, we'll look 30 days from today to see whether Trump is still president and whether

00:23:38.360 he still has a White House that's operational and making important decisions.

00:23:43.120 Um, to stay on the subject of Joy Reid and Trump, he tweeted out or truthed out his thoughts.

00:23:49.820 Low-life chairman of Comcast, Brian Roberts, has finally gotten the nerve up to fire one

00:23:54.280 of the least talented people in television, the mentally obnoxious racist Joy Reid.

00:23:58.680 Also thrown out, this is news too, was Alex Wagner, the sub on the seriously failing Rachel

00:24:04.200 Maddow show.

00:24:05.340 Rachel rarely shows up because she knows there's nobody watching.

00:24:08.140 Not wrong there.

00:24:09.360 Then there's, of course, the low IQ conman, Al Sharpton.

00:24:11.980 What is he doing to Brian Roberts to stay on the air?

00:24:15.620 He did not get fired.

00:24:17.360 Nothing more than an illegal arm of the Democratic Party, meaning MSNBC.

00:24:22.580 Fake news is an unpardonable sin.

00:24:27.000 So here is a little reaction from the left.

00:24:31.300 That was obviously from the right.

00:24:33.080 Here is former MSNBC anchor Keith Olbermann with quite the take.

00:24:38.620 Melissa Harris Perry, Tiffany Cross, Joy Reid, Alex Wagner, four women.

00:24:48.820 What did they have in common?

00:24:50.980 Well, let's see.

00:24:52.380 They all had their own shows, solo hosts on MSNBC, and they were all women of color, and

00:25:00.420 they've all been fired.

00:25:01.620 Michael Steele is a man of color, and Simone Sanders is a woman of color, and Alicia Menendez

00:25:07.440 is a woman of color.

00:25:10.460 Yeah, they are official.

00:25:12.580 They are safe.

00:25:13.460 Abby Phillip goes out there and gets tortured by this racist Scott Jennings.

00:25:19.100 It's his show, and it's a bunch of people talking about how much of a racist he is, and he leans

00:25:24.400 back in the chair and rocks back and forth and mugs to the camera and creates viral clips.

00:25:30.340 And somebody at MSNBC said, wouldn't we rather have that than Joy Reid, who's now bald, appearing

00:25:36.440 on television every night at seven o'clock?

00:25:38.980 Whoa.

00:25:39.500 They can't help him.

00:25:43.620 The first point there, Victor, he's not wrong, that they've replaced this incendiary woman

00:25:49.660 with two people.

00:25:50.960 Michael Steele can obviously be offensive and say offensive things.

00:25:55.020 Simone Sanders, more so these days.

00:25:57.260 She used to be more reasonable.

00:25:58.360 Now she's gotten harder left.

00:26:00.180 But he's not wrong that there's a shift happening there.

00:26:03.860 Because this just in, three more people fired at MSNBC.

00:26:09.500 Um, this is from the New York Post.

00:26:12.960 Uh, the new president there continued to overhaul the embattled network, canceling shows.

00:26:17.340 So maybe they're not fired.

00:26:18.160 We're not sure.

00:26:18.940 But their shows are canceled.

00:26:20.560 Um, by left-wing anchors, Iman Moyhadeen, Katie Fang, and Jonathan Capehart.

00:26:28.540 Iman, I don't know his, I don't want to presume based on his name, but I do think he's, um,

00:26:33.300 he's Muslim.

00:26:34.960 Katie Fang is an Asian, uh, person, woman.

00:26:38.380 And Jonathan Capehart is a black man who wrote for the Washington Post and was really, he

00:26:44.620 was the only person, I mean, he was like at hard leaning into hands up, don't shoot.

00:26:48.500 And as I recall, he was the only person to ever acknowledge that turned out to be wrong.

00:26:52.480 I'm sorry.

00:26:52.960 So I give him points for that, but he is hardcore leftist woke.

00:26:57.660 Here he was just the other week doing that DNC round table before they voted on their new

00:27:03.120 president.

00:27:03.640 Everybody had to say if they were non-binary because they needed to get their non-binary

00:27:07.140 numbers up.

00:27:07.840 And this was Jonathan Capehart, what really drilling down to what was most important in

00:27:13.660 the next leader of the DNC.

00:27:15.320 Watch.

00:27:16.360 How many of you believe that racism and misogyny played a role in Vice President Harris's defeat?

00:27:24.240 All hands up.

00:27:26.680 Okay.

00:27:29.200 So that's good.

00:27:31.400 You all pass.

00:27:31.980 Okay, so he's now gone.

00:27:36.580 He lost his show.

00:27:38.080 And here's just a little background on what Moheddin did the weekend of October 7th.

00:27:42.860 This is via National Review.

00:27:45.420 He said that Hamas terrorism is ultimately the end result of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin

00:27:51.480 Netanyahu ignoring Palestinians, adding that the attacks are very deadly consequences of

00:27:57.740 failed policies.

00:28:00.060 So that's him.

00:28:01.040 Katie Fang, I don't know what her sin was other than terrible ratings, but MSNBC is gleaning

00:28:07.280 something, Victor, and that something is not a positive sign for them.

00:28:13.120 You know, they were on the hinge before George Floyd, but somewhere between Me Too 2018-19 and

00:28:21.880 George Floyd after that, they really did miscalculate.

00:28:25.500 They thought that the country, because of their hatred of Donald Trump, and then especially

00:28:30.620 the George Floyd riots, and then the election of Joe Biden, they thought that this was a

00:28:35.560 new frontier, and that Joe Biden, we were into a revolutionary period, and Biden was this

00:28:41.380 useful wax and effigy for all of these Obama people.

00:28:45.020 And they were going to have this radical agenda, and these people at MSNBC and to a lesser extent

00:28:50.980 CNN were going to ride this wave and propel it.

00:28:55.680 And they could say anything they want.

00:28:57.520 The blinders were off.

00:29:00.020 The muzzles were off.

00:29:01.000 They could say, do anything.

00:29:02.760 And they really did.

00:29:04.420 And they didn't realize the mood of the country, where it was.

00:29:07.720 We were in the middle of a counter-revolution because people were sick of an open border

00:29:12.760 and the whole transgendered stuff and the crime and the foreign policy in Afghanistan.

00:29:19.040 And the more that they just kept doubling down, the more there were signs there that the law

00:29:24.220 fair or getting Trump off the ballot or the Mar-a-Lago raid, they were triumphing that.

00:29:29.880 The more that they didn't understand that, that was getting people angry.

00:29:33.640 And so they were doubling down.

00:29:34.940 Rather than being introspective and saying, oh, my gosh, I don't think that we're quite

00:29:39.880 in a hard-left revolution that everybody's supporting, and I think we're starting to

00:29:45.280 get resistance, they could have said, let's try to be a little bit more analytical.

00:29:49.760 Instead, they said, we've got to get more angry and more angry and get more angry guests.

00:29:54.000 And they blew themselves up.

00:29:55.640 And I guess when Capehart says that he thinks that Kamala Harris lost because she was black

00:30:03.840 and female, I guess he thinks that Joe Biden was what?

00:30:09.020 I don't know.

00:30:09.960 Was he going to win or lose?

00:30:12.520 Because Joe Biden would have lost as much as, I think, Kamala Harris.

00:30:16.620 And he was a white male.

00:30:18.220 So I don't know what his point is.

00:30:20.580 It's silly.

00:30:21.400 Nobody in that party was going to win, no matter what color or gender there was, given

00:30:26.260 that the key issues that they were trying to articulate to the American people were polling

00:30:31.500 about 20 or 30 percent support across the board.

00:30:35.540 Right.

00:30:36.280 Here's now what they've done, because this won't be over for MSNBC.

00:30:41.400 I've told the story before about when I went into the 9 a.m.

00:30:44.980 slot on NBC replacing Tamron Hall, the National Association of Black Journalists wrote a letter

00:30:53.040 to NBC saying, you're racist because you replaced a black woman with a white woman.

00:30:59.320 And like NBC called them to say, what are you talking about?

00:31:04.020 This is ridiculous.

00:31:04.920 We have lots of black hosts up and down the lineup.

00:31:06.600 And they admitted they were doing a favor, that they got asked, this was a favor, and

00:31:12.480 I know who called it in, to complain on behalf of this black host.

00:31:17.480 So now what they've done in their primetime lineup over at MSNBC is they've replaced out

00:31:23.180 of their one, two, three, four primetime hosts, two were women of color.

00:31:31.700 Alex Wagner is a woman of color.

00:31:33.700 I'm not exactly what your what her background is, but she's not white.

00:31:37.360 And Joy Reid, of course, is a black woman.

00:31:39.640 And they've replaced two out of the four with new hosts.

00:31:44.360 In one case, they replaced Joy Reid with two black people and a Hispanic woman.

00:31:48.700 And in the case of Alex Wagner, they put in a white woman.

00:31:52.120 Jen Psaki is in replacing her.

00:31:54.400 I'm not sure what they're going to.

00:31:55.300 I mean, it's one thing to have Rachel Maddow there.

00:31:57.100 That's the white woman they can all tolerate.

00:31:59.360 Psaki's new to the game.

00:32:00.460 Of course, I don't really call her Jen Psaki, because whenever I hear her talk, I can only

00:32:05.000 see and hear this.

00:32:06.900 To dance the kitty cat dance, we need to scratch our kitty paws, stomp our feet, and wag our

00:32:14.640 kitty tails.

00:32:15.640 Here we got the mermaid freak.

00:32:17.920 Yay!

00:32:18.360 That's how she talks.

00:32:21.340 I'm sorry.

00:32:22.560 But it is.

00:32:24.260 So she's going to be taking over there.

00:32:26.120 And there will be racial blowback on MSNBC.

00:32:28.420 It's happening.

00:32:28.800 I guarantee you by the this time tomorrow, we'll have some sort of a letter, protest, fiery

00:32:34.020 something.

00:32:34.620 It's going to happen.

00:32:36.480 Yeah.

00:32:36.680 I don't think I don't want to advise, you know, anybody in the left wing black movement.

00:32:42.780 But if you look at this multiracial democracy that they keep talking about, we have now people

00:32:50.900 from India, if we call them Asians and in the same breath as we do people from China or

00:32:56.340 Japan, you know, they're up to about 15 percent of the population.

00:32:59.980 We have about 15 percent of Hispanics.

00:33:02.620 We have a lot of we don't hear from those same groups that they're going to protest.

00:33:09.360 Sometimes we do.

00:33:10.440 But I think what we're watching is that this is getting very tiring because we're a multiracial

00:33:16.360 society now.

00:33:17.360 And it's not just a white black binary of the 1960s.

00:33:20.480 And they haven't caught up to that.

00:33:22.480 And they should look at these other groups because these other groups do have extremists

00:33:27.740 that are demanding these entitlements and set asides and quotas.

00:33:31.240 But most of the people are just ignoring it.

00:33:34.280 And they're going out in the workplace and they're competing and they're doing very well

00:33:38.260 and parity.

00:33:39.280 I think there's 16 ethnic groups that are not white that have a higher per capita income

00:33:43.360 than so-called whites, whether it's Arab Americans or whether it's, you know, Taiwanese

00:33:49.620 or Japanese Americans or people from India.

00:33:53.600 And that's the model that the country is moving to.

00:33:57.560 And this idea that the black leadership and a lot of the black average rank and file understand

00:34:03.140 that.

00:34:03.700 And that's why Donald Trump is picking.

00:34:05.740 You've heard so many black people say, I don't really.

00:34:08.940 Except on MSNBC.

00:34:09.800 You heard Wajahad Ali.

00:34:11.060 Like we had Nimrodha, meaning Nikki Haley.

00:34:14.240 And we have, who was the other Indian he named, an Indian American.

00:34:18.380 Like everybody's got to be in their group and be reminded that the evil Republicans will

00:34:22.940 never really want you.

00:34:24.040 They don't really want you, Nikki Haley.

00:34:26.000 They don't really want you, Vivek.

00:34:28.000 They don't really want you, Byron Donalds.

00:34:30.540 Your skin color is everything to them.

00:34:33.180 Of course, this is projection.

00:34:34.720 This is how the Democrats see it all.

00:34:36.280 But let me just give you a couple of other examples, Victor, because it's amazing.

00:34:39.780 You look at the people who are going, and I'm sure in six months we'll be doing a montage

00:34:44.240 of the people who came in, and they're probably going to sound a lot like the people

00:34:47.140 who left.

00:34:48.460 But in any event, this Alex Wagner, who was, she was doing four days in Rachel Maddow's

00:34:52.860 slot, and Rachel was doing Mondays.

00:34:54.600 And by the way, so the only two people remaining from those four are two white guys.

00:34:57.780 They got the two white guys, Chris Hayes and Lawrence O'Donnell, survive.

00:35:00.920 They live to fight another day.

00:35:02.720 Okay?

00:35:03.100 But Alex Wagner had to go.

00:35:05.540 Look, in MSNBC's defense, she was totally talentless.

00:35:10.460 She was pretty.

00:35:12.980 And she was pretty.

00:35:14.140 I'm sorry.

00:35:14.620 This is like the list of her accomplishments.

00:35:16.740 And left wing, which I guess somebody at MSNBC thought, okay, that'll do it.

00:35:21.280 This is just a sample of Alex Wagner's kind of commentary.

00:35:28.600 This is her during the DNC.

00:35:29.860 Let's start with Sot7.

00:35:31.940 J.D. Vance lecturing everybody on what a family means, what it means to be a man.

00:35:36.560 Donald Trump obviously has his own version of manhood.

00:35:38.860 To see Tim Walls out there as a man who is just joyfully embracing his role, talking about

00:35:46.780 struggles with infertility, it takes two partners to get pregnant.

00:35:50.700 And for way too long, this conversation has been relegated to women or the carriers of pregnancy.

00:35:59.940 And the carriers of pregnancy.

00:36:02.380 She caught herself for saying women and corrected it.

00:36:05.800 I'll give you one more, Victor.

00:36:07.200 Here she is talking about J.D. Vance after the Republican National Convention, Sot6.

00:36:11.820 But I do think there were some sort of Easter eggs of white nationalism in the speech.

00:36:18.000 One of the long sort of a paragraph, at least, about this plot in eastern Kentucky where his

00:36:24.200 seven or six generations of his family are buried.

00:36:28.460 And his hope is that his wife and he are eventually laid to rest there and their kids follow them.

00:36:34.180 The white male lineage that defines the family history, that that branch of the tree supersedes all else.

00:36:42.960 And I just think the construction of this notion reveals a lot about someone who fundamentally

00:36:48.520 believes in the supremacy of whiteness and masculinity.

00:36:52.200 And it's couched in a sort of halcyon, you know, revisitation of his roots.

00:36:56.720 But it is actually really revealing about what he thinks matters.

00:37:00.320 This is after the RNC, Victor, where he had been introduced by his brown wife, Usha Vance,

00:37:11.220 with whom he's made three children, proving he's not really all that obsessed with his

00:37:16.440 white lineage going forward.

00:37:19.700 Absolutely.

00:37:20.660 And then when she talked about the masculinity of Tim Walton in vitro, he lied about in vitro

00:37:25.760 fertilization.

00:37:26.880 That was a complete he was a complete pathological liar.

00:37:29.960 And then if he's going to be so macho, he lied.

00:37:32.580 He just kept spinning lie after lie after lie about his military rank service conditions

00:37:38.720 about going to Iraq.

00:37:40.100 So he was a pathological what he was a forced detractor on that ticket.

00:37:45.560 And I'm talking as a white man about another white man.

00:37:48.900 That white male was a he was he took votes away from a black female.

00:37:54.920 He was so mediocre.

00:37:56.180 He could not he could not tell the truth.

00:37:58.240 He was herky jerky.

00:37:59.780 He got on stage.

00:38:00.680 He had this he just looked like he was insane.

00:38:03.060 He kept waving his arms and screaming and yelling.

00:38:06.080 He was a buffoon.

00:38:06.880 He looked like he was being attacked by bees.

00:38:09.460 He did.

00:38:10.540 He did.

00:38:11.120 He really that's a good good picture.

00:38:14.400 Because that's exactly what happened to him.

00:38:16.740 And the idea that he was a model of masculinity was a joke.

00:38:20.900 She everything that she says is just not true.

00:38:24.500 And that ultimately a person has to tell the truth, at least as they see the truth.

00:38:28.880 But all these people just get up there and they lie and they don't even believe what they're

00:38:33.200 saying because it's so obvious.

00:38:34.560 So I wonder I wonder whether she went more left wing with that lunacy, because when she

00:38:40.040 first started out, she had nothing other than probably a natural leftist bent and her good

00:38:45.740 looks and an obvious inability to manage her surroundings.

00:38:51.280 Now, this is another thing.

00:38:52.480 Keith Olbermann talked about this on his podcast at one point, because I remember we ran the

00:38:56.520 soundbite.

00:38:56.880 He was talking about how he did get he says he got Alex Wagner a job at MSNBC.

00:39:01.960 But the problem was she could not read prompter or they wanted him to use her more, but she

00:39:06.380 could not read prompter.

00:39:08.120 So we actually looked into it.

00:39:09.720 And lo and behold, the man was right.

00:39:11.260 Here's Sade.

00:39:13.240 Tonight, the FBI warrant used to search Mar-a-Lago is unsealed.

00:39:17.440 The three potential crimes laid out in that document.

00:39:20.260 We'll dive into what it means and what could happen with one of the Wall Street Journal

00:39:25.900 reporters who was first to report on the contents of that warrant.

00:39:29.040 Then we'll she's panicking.

00:39:35.300 Then we'll talk with we we're going to go right.

00:39:39.060 We are actually going to go right to the top story.

00:39:41.800 Oh, my God.

00:39:42.640 If you if you're just listening to this, you have to look up on the YouTube YouTube dot

00:39:45.780 com slash Megan Kelly, 38 minutes into the show and watch her meltdown.

00:39:49.120 Clearly, there's a prompter issue.

00:39:50.580 We all have them at times.

00:39:51.800 Sometimes you navigate through it and you try not to let the audience know by mouthing

00:39:55.740 what go and moving your arms around because you always know you are on camera when the

00:40:01.500 red light is on.

00:40:03.140 Just a little fun walk down memory lane.

00:40:05.440 There wasn't there wasn't a lot to choose from there, Victor.

00:40:09.020 Well, in her defense, the president of the United States would actually read the prompts

00:40:13.320 on the telephone period, period, period thing.

00:40:17.680 He actually said things like that.

00:40:19.260 So she's she's doing a better job than the president did.

00:40:24.180 And that's the lowest bar you can imagine.

00:40:26.920 She's out the door, at least from the show.

00:40:29.400 Joy reads out the door door.

00:40:31.080 Jonathan Capehart, say goodbye to your show.

00:40:33.940 Jen Psaki moving up in the world.

00:40:35.880 But here's the bottom line.

00:40:37.760 It's a bloodbath at MSNBC.

00:40:39.980 And the reason is, yes, they went too far left.

00:40:42.480 I mean, not too far left, but just too far loon.

00:40:44.380 They went too far loon.

00:40:46.140 And the other reason is these ratings, these numbers that I was reading to you just a moment

00:40:50.560 ago, these are horrid.

00:40:52.940 These are truly horrid numbers.

00:40:54.960 The overall is terrible, too.

00:40:57.200 The overall, OK, in the 700s, Rachel Maddow gets 1.8 million in the night she's in.

00:41:03.420 That's respectable.

00:41:04.440 That's a good number.

00:41:05.240 I mean, Hannity gets 3 million.

00:41:06.960 So but I'm just saying she's not a laughable number and everybody else is a joke.

00:41:12.000 And that's in the overall.

00:41:13.320 In the demo, all these numbers will get you fired all day long.

00:41:16.360 59, 65, 144, 103, 88.

00:41:19.940 That was their primetime lineup on Thursday.

00:41:21.820 So they understand their business model requires an overhaul in order for them to remain on the

00:41:27.840 air.

00:41:28.500 I'll just give you one other thing, OK?

00:41:30.860 Now they're pinning their hopes to on Jen Psaki.

00:41:34.520 Jen Psaki, Dora.

00:41:36.680 Who is I'm sorry, but this is not a talented broadcaster.

00:41:40.540 She wasn't a talented White House spokesperson and she's not a talented broadcaster.

00:41:44.580 And unlike a lot of people like Mark Thiessen, who I found with his little clipboard and at

00:41:49.160 the beginning, he was really nerdy and sweet, but slightly stiff, who had huge potential

00:41:55.160 and has since realized it.

00:41:57.000 She does not have huge potential.

00:41:58.480 Trust me, I have an eye for this stuff.

00:41:59.820 This stuff, I really do know.

00:42:01.500 She does not have huge potential.

00:42:03.040 She's already gone as far as she's going to go in terms of delivery.

00:42:05.840 But here is what they found worthy of boosting to the main 9 p.m.

00:42:12.940 Rachel Maddow slot, at least on the four nights a week Maddow's not there.

00:42:17.180 Sot 11.

00:42:17.520 It's this magical, charismatic quality in person.

00:42:22.700 She just that was fierce and fearless.

00:42:25.380 In my view, an undervalued talent.

00:42:29.080 Um, she's a very fierce communicator.

00:42:31.980 That's who she is, but there is a character out there.

00:42:36.040 There is, it's almost like public opinion hasn't caught up with what she is doing out

00:42:41.140 there.

00:42:41.320 And also we live in a country that is sexist and racist.

00:42:45.020 Okay, great.

00:42:46.120 You're on board with the right messaging.

00:42:48.800 Yeah, that's the, that goes right to the heart of why people don't, the Democratic Party

00:42:54.980 is failing because anytime things do not go well for them because of their own incompetence

00:43:00.540 or stupidity, or they're on the wrong side of the issue, they have a choice whether to

00:43:04.800 be introspective and self-critical and adopt or blame it on sexism and racism.

00:43:11.260 And they always take the latter.

00:43:13.140 They always do.

00:43:13.760 Every, she was one of the worst press secretaries because every time that they ask her a question

00:43:20.360 that was not just a softball, she was like a deer in the headlights.

00:43:23.300 And she said, I'm going to circle back on that.

00:43:25.300 And they finally called her John, circle back Saki or whatever.

00:43:29.460 They made fun of her.

00:43:30.340 That's all she said.

00:43:31.260 I'm going to circle back on that.

00:43:32.540 I'll circle back on that.

00:43:33.580 I'll circle back.

00:43:34.240 That's right.

00:43:34.780 She never, she never had an answer.

00:43:36.500 She was a mediocrity.

00:43:38.640 It's kind of sad because, you know, there are so many brilliant African American people

00:43:44.160 out there and I know that they're a left wing, but if they would get somebody like the

00:43:48.340 economist Roland Fryer at Harvard, who's a public intellectual or Glenn Lowry, just put

00:43:53.160 them on there for five minutes and say, you know, we don't want to have you talk about

00:43:56.260 politics.

00:43:57.160 Just explain inflation to the people.

00:43:59.480 Just explain, you know, the electoral cost.

00:44:02.780 They would be so brilliant and it would change the whole atmosphere and everybody would just

00:44:07.380 say, wow.

00:44:08.800 It would have the exact opposite effect.

00:44:11.100 And they keep talking about Kentucky fried chicken and they don't understand that they

00:44:16.200 are submitting a stereotype of mediocrity because of their ideology.

00:44:22.820 But if they really want to help black people and make black incidental, not essential to

00:44:28.540 who we are.

00:44:29.180 There are so many black people out there who are brilliant.

00:44:31.800 They don't want that though.

00:44:33.160 And they don't want it.

00:44:34.260 They don't identify by black.

00:44:35.720 But if you'd put them on and people would see that, that a, they're brilliant and two,

00:44:39.980 they, they could be care less about what color they are and just listen to what they say.

00:44:45.140 These, these left wing channels like MS and CNN too, for that matter, they don't want race

00:44:50.620 to be anything other than essential.

00:44:52.360 They, they refuse like those of us who've been trying to make it less essential and follow

00:44:56.360 the MLK.

00:44:57.220 You know, I see a friend, I don't see a black friend.

00:45:00.000 They, they object to it.

00:45:01.180 They say, now you're a racist if you feel that way.

00:45:03.180 So it's, they don't want to hear from a Glenn Lowry because he doesn't, he doesn't look

00:45:07.500 at himself like that.

00:45:08.300 He doesn't look, doesn't look at us like that.

00:45:10.220 But when you say they, I think what you mean is mostly white, wealthy elites that feel that

00:45:18.200 they're left wing and they want to have these tribal constituencies.

00:45:22.800 Them too.

00:45:23.680 I'm at MSNBC, but yes.

00:45:25.480 Yeah, but who's running MSNBC?

00:45:27.580 I don't, I mean, there was, I think, what's her name, Rashid, what's her name ran it.

00:45:31.060 But mostly it's a condescending elite liberal white person who has this image of blacks

00:45:38.500 that they can't really be free thinkers and they're going to have to toe their line and

00:45:42.860 they owe it to them.

00:45:44.280 And that's why you get all this anger from, from very wealthy white people in the democratic

00:45:48.640 party.

00:45:49.320 Right after the election, they were saying things like, oh, I wish we should close those borders.

00:45:53.500 Those people are, you know, they don't know all we did for them.

00:45:56.860 The Hispanic community, they were disloyal.

00:45:59.040 They kept saying disloyal.

00:46:00.480 They have a very condescending attitude.

00:46:03.420 And that's the problem is that they, they hire black people that, that mouth the shibboleths

00:46:09.740 that they say, and they don't want to draw into the rich talent, the pool of talent that

00:46:14.120 African-Americans offer.

00:46:16.420 And at least, you know, in some conservative outlets, you'll get a lot of African-American

00:46:21.260 people and they'll say whatever they want.

00:46:23.300 Sometimes it's not always MAGA, but you know, people let them on.

00:46:26.960 And that's what they need to do if they're going to reclaim their name.

00:46:30.940 But if they keep doing this, they have, they're really not just racially divisive, but it's

00:46:36.420 very, it's hurting black people because they are getting the least talented people, which

00:46:42.260 wouldn't matter if you didn't bring in race, but they're doing the worst of two worlds.

00:46:46.240 They're bringing in very untalented or very limited talented people.

00:46:52.380 And then they're accentuating their race as if they're connected.

00:46:55.680 And so when people look at that or turn it in, they say, this person is crazy and he's

00:46:59.780 black.

00:47:00.500 Whereas if they, they have a choice, they can either get a very talented black person and

00:47:04.980 then talk about being black, or they can just say that this person is not very talented and

00:47:09.920 we don't really care whether he's black or white, but they don't do that.

00:47:12.680 They say this person is black and he's mediocre.

00:47:15.160 Normally being, we would not normally say like, oh, she's getting replaced by two black people

00:47:19.520 and a, and a Hispanic person, but that's how they count everything.

00:47:22.780 And, and, you know, full well, if Joey Reed were replaced by a white woman, there'd be

00:47:27.800 a full on meltdown at MSNBC, by the way, there still might be, like I say, I, there's going

00:47:32.880 to be blowback in the next 24, 48, but there's now a report that they've offered Joey Reed

00:47:39.220 to come in tonight to do a final show.

00:47:41.120 But just as I was coming to air, maybe this has since been resolved since, you know, 46

00:47:45.680 minutes ago that, uh, they couldn't find Joey Reed.

00:47:49.120 They hadn't heard from her and they were still unclear on whether she would be showing up

00:47:54.780 to do the last show.

00:47:56.860 And what, what else does she have planned?

00:47:59.660 Like, who knows?

00:48:00.400 So I, I don't know about you, but tonight I will be, when, when does that show air?

00:48:03.720 What time is that show on Steve?

00:48:04.900 It's on it.

00:48:06.020 Well, it must be 7 PM.

00:48:07.280 Okay.

00:48:07.620 7 PM.

00:48:08.040 Cause I have the ratings here.

00:48:08.980 So 7 PM.

00:48:09.980 I know what I'm doing tonight.

00:48:11.120 But don't you think they're in a jam?

00:48:12.840 What would you, she's going to, she's going to go on the air and blast them and say they're

00:48:17.280 racist.

00:48:18.140 And they know that.

00:48:18.900 It's very dumb of them to allow it.

00:48:20.320 They, they, they should just, I mean, if I were running MSNBC, I'd say you fired and

00:48:23.460 here, here's the door.

00:48:24.340 Thanks for your service.

00:48:25.140 And the next person on 7 will say, Joy's gone.

00:48:28.220 If I was running MSNBC and this was her last show, I'd say, I can't find her.

00:48:32.940 I've looked everywhere and she hasn't reported in.

00:48:35.360 That's what I would say.

00:48:36.320 Just what they said.

00:48:37.160 I must have gotten caught in her spam filter.

00:48:39.020 I don't know.

00:48:39.520 I have a feeling she's home.

00:48:42.120 I, I have a feeling she's home and she is glued to her phone and no one's called her.

00:48:46.800 And they keep saying, I can't find her.

00:48:48.800 Where is she?

00:48:49.900 And that's going to be the thing.

00:48:50.720 She's probably having her agent call NBC news right now because the news also hit today

00:48:54.360 that Lester Holt is stepping down from his evening, his evening slot.

00:48:59.400 She's probably thinking she's in the running.

00:49:01.320 Joy, you're not.

00:49:02.700 No, sorry, sweetheart.

00:49:04.000 You're not.

00:49:04.820 By the way, on the Lester Holt thing, it is interesting.

00:49:07.220 He's stepping down.

00:49:08.880 NBC evening news.

00:49:10.040 Nightly news has been losing to ABC with David Muir.

00:49:13.120 We're unbelievably, um, for some time now by a couple of million.

00:49:17.520 So that's not good for NBC, but there's, they have nobody who's going to take on Muir.

00:49:22.440 I wonder who it'll be.

00:49:23.300 I don't really care because those shows are pretty irrelevant.

00:49:25.580 But anyway, that happened.

00:49:27.220 Uh, this just out from the New York post canned MSNBC anchor, Joy Reed was spotted wearing

00:49:31.440 a fur-like coat and green baseball cap as she ducked out of her green baseball cap as

00:49:38.100 she ducked out of her million dollar Maryland home in exclusive photos taken by the post

00:49:41.360 shortly after the rabid anti-Trump host was ousted by the embattled network.

00:49:45.360 All right.

00:49:45.500 So she was seen, but we don't know whether she will be seen tonight at seven o'clock on

00:49:50.400 MSNBC.

00:49:51.400 There's drama.

00:49:52.440 We'll wait and find out more.

00:49:54.840 Sure.

00:49:55.420 It's a pleasure talking to VDH today.

00:49:57.900 When we come back, we'll get to actual news as opposed to just the stuff that makes us

00:50:01.780 happy.

00:50:02.380 All right.

00:50:03.120 Don't go anywhere.

00:50:04.100 Victor, thank you.

00:50:04.880 We'll be right back.

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00:51:46.060 So Elon Musk, once again, sent, uh, federal workers and their media supporters into a tailspin

00:51:52.240 this weekend by sending out via the Doge team, um, an email saying, please name five things

00:51:58.620 that you've worked on this week.

00:52:00.380 And it was, it, it was not well received.

00:52:05.860 I think it's fair to say, uh, cue 10,000 articles about how inappropriate he is and what an offense

00:52:11.680 this was.

00:52:12.720 Um, I'll give you just one example, New York democratic Senator, Andy Kim to our public servants.

00:52:20.740 I'm sorry you're being threatened.

00:52:23.220 You deserve so much better.

00:52:24.720 I remember how proud I was when I first swore my oath as a civil servant, honor of a lifetime.

00:52:31.060 Remember why you chose to serve.

00:52:33.020 Stay strong.

00:52:34.340 I and many others will be right by your side.

00:52:38.560 Somebody on X responded.

00:52:41.060 Don't you think you're being a little bit dramatic?

00:52:43.500 I could easily respond to this email from my employer.

00:52:46.120 I actually do go to my job and work there freaked out that his, his, you know, email was,

00:52:54.260 what did you do last week?

00:52:57.260 And he told them to summarize their accomplishments on X.

00:53:00.480 He said, failure to respond would be taken as a resignation.

00:53:03.460 He did not say that in the actual email, but I'm not sure this is.

00:53:07.320 I'm so sorry for your loss, the honor of your job having been removed, Victor.

00:53:14.840 Yeah.

00:53:15.420 I, I, I don't think there's any way to enforce it, but I think he wanted to draw attention

00:53:20.060 to how outrage they would get and then, and then contrast it with what everybody puts up

00:53:26.040 with every day.

00:53:26.580 Even at a think tank where I work, when I heard this almost simultaneously, I got an email

00:53:32.820 and it said, this is time for your annual review, Victor.

00:53:35.500 Or would you please list all the things that you have done and for the entire year, every

00:53:41.340 day by day.

00:53:42.140 And we do that every year.

00:53:43.260 Everybody does that.

00:53:44.700 And sometimes they do it by the month.

00:53:47.060 Sometimes they do it by the week, but the idea that you don't have to do that.

00:53:50.780 So when they got this outrage, I think it's sort of trolling them.

00:53:55.700 And, and I think it really helped cash Patel because he said, well, we're not going to do

00:54:00.880 it at the FBI because I, I protect the rank and file and they report to me.

00:54:05.240 And that was kind of the criticism.

00:54:06.960 A few have now said that.

00:54:08.400 So, so just so we're clear, but cash said that you don't have to do it.

00:54:11.460 The FBI, Pete said that at defense, you don't have to do it here.

00:54:14.360 Tulsi just said that, uh, over the intelligence agents, you don't have to do that here.

00:54:17.800 And of course the judiciary, uh, there was a mass email sent out to judges and judges

00:54:23.580 staff, which who, uh, that's appropriate.

00:54:25.920 They, the article three branch does not have to respond to edicts coming from the presidency

00:54:31.640 from, from, um, article two.

00:54:33.660 So it's fine that they did that.

00:54:35.300 And, um, at the judiciary, but yeah, you've got a bunch of people within the executive

00:54:39.760 branch saying no.

00:54:41.920 Yeah.

00:54:42.440 I think that was good because it shows there's disagreement that Elon's got good ideas, but

00:54:47.340 everybody's not following him.

00:54:48.640 And these cabinet people and agency heads protect their own.

00:54:51.580 And that's the kind of message they wanted and whether he was serious in the origin and

00:54:55.900 the beginning, I'm not sure, but it, it didn't hurt him at all.

00:54:59.280 Mm-hmm.

00:55:00.120 Well, you, I mean, honestly, you would think it was like, he was like, come submit your

00:55:03.560 DNA saliva and blood.

00:55:06.100 It was like, yes, what you did this week.

00:55:08.440 What are five things you accomplished this week?

00:55:10.180 They didn't want to answer it.

00:55:11.460 And I'm sure in Elon said in his defense, what we're finding is that there's so many federal

00:55:16.520 employees who don't even check their email.

00:55:19.660 They, they don't come to work.

00:55:21.020 They don't check their email.

00:55:22.200 They're out to lunch.

00:55:23.340 They, they don't come to the office.

00:55:24.820 That's one of the big things that they're trying to do, get them to return to the office

00:55:27.260 because they don't believe they're working.

00:55:28.720 And I think they're sitting at home watching their stories on the taxpayer dime.

00:55:31.460 And in a lot of cases they are, uh, so they can't fill out the list of five things.

00:55:36.580 Yeah.

00:55:37.020 I think what everybody's upset about is that every single day we get plants that shut down

00:55:43.440 or they move offshore or they're redirected or some corporation has an economy.

00:55:48.760 They're on the bottom line.

00:55:50.320 It's all red.

00:55:51.060 So they're cutting.

00:55:51.820 This happens every day to Americans and they don't get any type of coddling like federal

00:55:57.820 employees.

00:55:58.380 But when it happens to federal employees, we're supposed to feel like this is horrible.

00:56:02.960 This is, they're doing this now with the national park service in Yosemite and they have an

00:56:08.140 upside upside down flag.

00:56:09.820 And I thought when I read it, that there must be thousands of, of layoffs.

00:56:14.480 It was, I think it was 10 people, 10 people out of, I don't know, it was 1200 or something.

00:56:20.680 10 people were, were found not to be essential.

00:56:23.460 So this cycle drama that all these federal employees have, and their most, most studies

00:56:28.180 show they're making 30 to 40% more than people in the private sector.

00:56:32.820 And you think the private sector would, would make more because they don't have job security

00:56:37.720 and they take greater risks, but that's not true.

00:56:40.200 And so I think, again, it's going to boomerang, maybe not in the short term, but when people

00:56:44.480 start to see these employees who are better paid than they are, and they have more job security

00:56:50.360 and they're screaming and yelling about not wanting to do what the people in the private

00:56:54.720 sector have to do almost every week, month and year, it's not, it's, again, it's not

00:56:59.660 going to work.

00:57:00.120 And I think that might be one of the reasons that Elon Musk did it.

00:57:03.660 Yeah.

00:57:03.980 To be accountable.

00:57:05.200 That's what, that's what I expect of my staff.

00:57:07.080 That's what's always expected of me when I had a boss.

00:57:09.820 And that's absolutely what we expect of our, of our federal workers.

00:57:13.560 Now on the topic of accountability, this is actually really interesting.

00:57:17.500 Dan Bongino was offered and accepted the position as number two at the FBI under cash

00:57:26.620 Patel, deputy director of the FBI, Dan Bongino, one of the greatest guys in America who is

00:57:32.800 former NYPD, former secret service, um, who has been like on the pointy edge of the spear

00:57:40.140 on calling down the BS attacks on Trump.

00:57:43.380 And with respect to the investigations against him and all that stuff for a long time now,

00:57:48.120 to me, I'm amazed he took it because even though we absolutely could use him and he's

00:57:53.200 definitely qualified, notwithstanding the fact that he hasn't been at the FBI, all the,

00:57:56.480 like the panties are in a bunch over there reportedly at the FBI.

00:58:00.160 He's not one of us.

00:58:01.280 Yes, exactly.

00:58:02.060 Right.

00:58:02.340 That's why he got the offer, but I can't believe he took us.

00:58:05.040 I guarantee you he's making millions of dollars doing that podcast.

00:58:07.540 He was very successful and so good for him.

00:58:10.220 You know, he, it's a self-sacrifice.

00:58:11.720 He's definitely very close with Trump.

00:58:14.020 He's had a religious reconnection or awakening post his significant cancer experience, which,

00:58:21.500 I mean, he almost lost his life and, um, I'll bet anything he really felt called.

00:58:26.160 So he's going over there, but this is, I wanted to show you this, uh, some savvy, savvy Twitter

00:58:33.300 user.

00:58:34.140 Do we have it?

00:58:34.640 Yeah.

00:58:35.660 Found this soundbite of Dan in his last show on Friday.

00:58:40.400 And I think he's doing a show today.

00:58:41.640 So we'll hear more today, I think.

00:58:43.320 Um, and listen to this soundbite in wake of what we, in lieu of what we now know.

00:58:50.260 Folks, I strongly encourage you to go back and, uh, take another look today at the Russia

00:58:55.580 collusion hoax.

00:58:56.440 We had the FBI in conjunction with the department of justice, officials in Congress, foreign governments

00:59:01.760 and Intel people fabricate a story, invent a story that could have caused and done serious

00:59:08.300 long-term harm to international relations with a nuclear powered foe.

00:59:12.820 It's kind of a big freaking deal.

00:59:16.020 I'm not letting it go.

00:59:18.100 And you listen to me.

00:59:19.320 This is going to be very important in the coming days.

00:59:21.640 I'm not letting this go.

00:59:24.040 I want to find out what happened because it can never happen again.

00:59:27.900 Not to a Democrat, not to a Republican, not to a Libertarian, not to any United States

00:59:34.020 citizen.

00:59:34.540 You don't get to do that.

00:59:36.180 Why do I bring that up now?

00:59:37.640 Because who is the ringmaster of that circus?

00:59:40.720 Yes.

00:59:41.500 Adam Schiff.

00:59:43.580 And no, I'm not letting it go.

00:59:47.240 Hmm.

00:59:49.200 Adam Schiff.

00:59:50.680 Uh, yeah, go ahead.

00:59:51.680 Well, Adam Schiff lied and he may have lied under oath when we had the first impeachment

00:59:58.860 when Alexander Vindman broke protocol and disclosed a classified or at least a, uh, maybe top

01:00:08.660 secret call.

01:00:09.700 And he called the so-called whistleblower, Eric Saramella, and said that Donald Trump was

01:00:15.200 trying to leverage congressionally approved aid for quid pro quo investigation of, uh, the

01:00:21.660 Biden family, they went to Adam Schiff and they talked to Adam Schiff and they strategized

01:00:27.560 with Adam Schiff, uh, how to impeach Donald Trump.

01:00:31.420 And then Adam Schiff said that that didn't happen, that he had never, had never discussed

01:00:36.320 anything about impeachment with, and that was a complete and outright lie.

01:00:40.560 He has a very good point, Megan, when he says that we've always looked at this as in

01:00:45.160 the realm of abuse of the FBI.

01:00:46.840 And I would add to that, they had the, uh, Hunter Biden laptop for one year and they knew

01:00:53.280 it was authentic and they knew it was authentic when Clapper and Brennan and Michael Hayden

01:00:58.260 and Mike morale were lying to the country on the eve of an election, that this was a product

01:01:03.200 of Russian disinformation.

01:01:04.580 And the, anytime the FBI could have come forward and told the truth, but they couldn't because

01:01:09.800 they were also working with Twitter and Facebook to suppress the New York post stories.

01:01:15.220 Um, and so when you look at Robert Mueller, who said under oath that he did not know what

01:01:21.520 the fusion GPS conglomerate was, he did not know what the steel dossier, the two catalysts

01:01:27.300 for his own appointment.

01:01:28.320 And then you look at the next one, James Comey, who pled amnesia 245 times under oath to the house,

01:01:35.660 the house intelligence committee, and then also memorialized a classified talk with the

01:01:42.380 president of the United States confidential, and then leaked it to the New York time.

01:01:45.800 And then you look at the next one, Andrew McCabe, the interim interim FBI.

01:01:51.140 And he lied four times, according to Michael Horowitz, the inspector general, four times he lied

01:01:57.000 to federal investigators.

01:01:58.640 And then we get Christopher Ray and we see that he would not tell us whether there were

01:02:03.660 any informants that turned out to be, I think, 26 on January 6th.

01:02:08.300 We had the whole school board mess going after traditional Catholics going after that.

01:02:13.520 That is what Dan Bongino is talking about.

01:02:15.820 This was an utterly corrupt hierarchy.

01:02:18.680 And I think he's a wonderful person to go in.

01:02:21.940 But he made a really good point when he said this had foreign policy ramifications, because

01:02:26.400 the worst thing we've been doing with Putin is we have appeased him in some cases, but then

01:02:31.200 we've demonized him, not that he didn't deserve it.

01:02:33.460 But when you tell Putin, well, I'll react if it's a major or minor invasion, or you say,

01:02:41.320 I told Vladimir to knock off the cyber attacks on hospitals, or maybe I'll fly Zelensky out.

01:02:47.680 But at the same time, you're appeasing him.

01:02:49.560 And that was from Obama administration.

01:02:51.460 You're calling him a murderer or a killer.

01:02:54.060 And then you're creating this whole idea that the Russians threw the election to Trump.

01:02:58.820 It was a complete lie.

01:02:59.920 You can see that we could have had a more realistic relationship with Russia and balanced them

01:03:07.280 off against China well before these.

01:03:13.440 And so he's right.

01:03:15.140 There were foreign policy ramifications.

01:03:17.900 You didn't need to lie about Vladimir Putin.

01:03:20.300 He was bad enough.

01:03:21.200 But they kept lying and lying and lying.

01:03:23.320 And these were the same people during the Obama administration that appeased him with

01:03:27.960 the reset, Hillary and the red button, and the hot mic in Seoul with Barack Obama, give

01:03:33.620 me space and I'll be flexible, all that stuff.

01:03:36.540 And yet they did really damage to a workable relationship with this dictatorial.

01:03:42.320 I mean, this could be accountability day for Adam Schiff, because what's interesting about

01:03:46.660 the Bongino comment is it's about what you're talking about, Russiagate and so on.

01:03:50.820 What Adam Schiff got the preemptive pardon from Biden for was his work on the J6 committee.

01:03:56.580 That was all J6 stuff.

01:03:58.380 He did not get a preemptive pardon for everything.

01:04:00.520 And so I do wonder what Bongino exactly will or possibly push for once he gets in there.

01:04:09.260 Like that Adam Schiff may be exposed on a lot of that stuff.

01:04:14.220 Let's say hypothetically you decided he should be charged with, let's take one of the Democrats

01:04:18.940 favorite charges, seditious conspiracy where you, you work to overthrow your government

01:04:25.360 or your president, right?

01:04:27.120 You could maybe, maybe that's what they're going to try.

01:04:29.280 I have no idea, but, um, I just looked it up.

01:04:31.980 That's got a five year statute of limitations.

01:04:33.580 So we're, we're beyond that now.

01:04:36.220 I'm yeah, we're pretty beyond that, right?

01:04:38.300 I mean, I guess I depend.

01:04:41.180 Maybe not, maybe not.

01:04:42.820 Cause if you look at the full Russiagate allegations and how long they took to play out, I have to

01:04:47.480 go back and look at the date of the Mueller report.

01:04:49.280 Anyway, you're going to have some, some statute of limitations problems, but the FBI could certainly

01:04:54.200 make your life unpleasant while they investigate such a thing.

01:04:57.120 If there's any sort of colorable claim that we're still in time.

01:05:00.660 And if you were a Democrat, Victor, you would say, let's do that because yeah, putting the

01:05:04.760 person through the process and having their name dragged through the mud every day in the

01:05:07.640 papers is the point.

01:05:09.120 Acne is going to look at why the house voted to censor Adam Smith, Adam Schiff.

01:05:16.980 And they did censor him.

01:05:17.980 And the reason they did is they said that he lied repeatedly about his involvement with the

01:05:23.720 whistleblower.

01:05:24.340 And he repeated the lie serially, especially in the house minority report.

01:05:30.540 When the Nunes memo went out and Cash Patel was the main architect of that memo and they

01:05:36.300 damned it and said it was a complete, it turned out that almost everything in that memo was

01:05:40.640 accurate.

01:05:41.140 And then when Schiff made a minority memo, almost everything in that memo was false and he knew

01:05:48.260 it was false and yet he promulgated that.

01:05:50.820 So I don't know if he's legally culpable, but he did a lot of damage and maybe Bongino can

01:05:57.420 bring light and remind people about that because it did have a bearing on foreign policy.

01:06:02.000 And it really was bad because Donald Trump, while all this was happening, Megan, he killed

01:06:10.100 the Wagner group in Syria.

01:06:12.160 He got out of an asymmetrical missile deal.

01:06:15.020 He was the first person to send offensive weapons to Ukraine that Biden would later put

01:06:20.120 a hold on.

01:06:20.900 And earlier, Obama had put a hold on.

01:06:24.560 He flooded the markets with cheap oil.

01:06:28.600 He put sanctions on the oligarchs and he told the Germans, don't do this Nord Stream 2.

01:06:36.180 It's terrible.

01:06:37.320 You're going to be a captive of Putin.

01:06:39.960 So he was the toughest of the last four presidents on Putin.

01:06:44.040 But yet these lies from Schiff that he was a asset or a toady and clapper and Brennan, it

01:06:50.640 really hurt our relationship because on the one hand, Putin was thinking, my God, Trump

01:06:56.100 is pretty hard on me.

01:06:58.360 And yet they're saying that I helped Trump.

01:07:00.740 And then we got to remember of the last four administration, Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden,

01:07:05.660 there was only one administration where he didn't attack his neighbors.

01:07:09.420 He didn't go into Georgia or Asatia or he didn't try to take the Donbass or Crimea or

01:07:15.260 he didn't try to take Kiev under Donald Trump.

01:07:17.840 And yet Donald Trump was told, we were told that Donald Trump had appeased him.

01:07:24.100 And of course, he didn't.

01:07:25.260 He was the only one that deterred him.

01:07:27.640 So the whole thing was really a dark chapter in American diplomatic and political history.

01:07:34.320 I do want to spend a minute with you on Ukraine.

01:07:37.420 But before we get to Ukraine, let's just talk about Germany.

01:07:39.500 Germany, so over there in Germany, the sort of more moderate conservative party has won

01:07:47.940 their parliamentary elections and the more conservative, more to the right, more MAGA-esque

01:07:54.160 party has gotten only 20 percent of the vote, which is very good for them.

01:07:58.640 It's just they didn't win enough to actually win.

01:08:01.200 And so unfortunately, the moderate Republicans over there or conservatives govern with the left

01:08:05.820 in Germany.

01:08:06.460 They're not going to form some coalition with the more MAGA-esque branch of the conservatives.

01:08:11.480 They're going to form a coalition with the more leftist branch, which is unfortunate for

01:08:16.840 our German friends because that's not what they need.

01:08:19.320 And now already, the likely new German chancellor, Friedrich Mertz, who is the leader of this conservative

01:08:27.080 Christian Democratic Union, that's the moderates, gives an interview and says the following.

01:08:32.760 It's an absolute priority to strengthen Europe as quickly as possible so that we achieve

01:08:37.280 independence from the U.S.

01:08:38.680 step by step.

01:08:39.920 After the latest statements by Donald Trump last week, it is clear that the Americans,

01:08:44.560 at any case, these Americans, this administration, mostly don't care about the fate of Europe

01:08:49.660 one way or another.

01:08:51.700 Also said that intervention from Washington, a reference to Vance and Musk expressing support

01:08:56.760 support for AFG, the Alternative for Germany party, that's the more MAGA-esque group, was

01:09:03.120 no less drastic, dramatic, and ultimately no less outrageous than the intervention that

01:09:09.780 we've seen from Moscow.

01:09:12.480 What?

01:09:14.980 People close to this guy describe him as direct and pragmatic, says the Washington Post, but

01:09:19.660 also arrogant and thin-skinned.

01:09:22.220 So this does not sound like a friend to the United States, and he's offended by the messaging

01:09:29.380 coming out of the United States, which has really been, do your part, Germany.

01:09:37.640 Constructive criticism.

01:09:38.900 It says we want you to live up to your Western obligations to ensure free speech.

01:09:43.680 And it's going to make it much worse, because if you took the AFD's vote and Mertz's vote,

01:09:50.920 it's about 50, 51 percent of the people, and they should have a conservative government.

01:09:55.840 But he's going to reach out to the Green Party and the Social Democrats, and there's

01:10:01.220 not going to be a conservative voice in Germany, and that's going to make people even angrier

01:10:06.080 after they feel they voted for a conservative majority.

01:10:09.280 And, you know, he better be very careful, Megan, because his country is running about

01:10:14.940 an $80 billion trade surplus, and it's not based anymore on superior German productivity.

01:10:22.140 They have four times the energy costs that we do, and they're not as productive as we

01:10:27.820 are anymore, and yet they're having an $80 billion because they charge 5 to 6 percent

01:10:32.720 tariffs on all our goods, and we charge either none or 1 or 2 percent.

01:10:36.980 We've got three big bases there.

01:10:39.500 We have about 75,000 American soldiers that protect Germany because of the 32 NATO countries.

01:10:46.580 We asked them, 11 years ago, can you just pay a measly 2 percent of your GDP on military

01:10:53.900 expenditures?

01:10:56.000 Nine of them or 10 of them haven't done that, and Germany hasn't.

01:10:59.580 It's still down 1.5, and everybody looks and says, well, Germany is not doing it, so we

01:11:04.840 don't have to, and then after the Nord Stream 2 dependency, Merkel thought, well, we're going

01:11:11.140 to shut down all the nuclear plants, all the coal plants, all the natural gas of our own

01:11:16.700 because we don't want to deal with this icky, dirty fossil fuel, but we'll get it from Russia,

01:11:21.360 let them do it, and give it to us chief.

01:11:23.520 And Trump said that is stupid because you're going to be dependent on Putin, and he's going

01:11:27.660 to know that, well, now that they need liquidified natural gas from the United States.

01:11:33.620 So Trump is going to correct that trade surplus with them.

01:11:37.320 And if you told, Germany said tomorrow, we want all of your troops out, we don't want your

01:11:42.560 stupid American protection, we don't want to be under your nuclear umbrella, get out,

01:11:47.340 Trump would do it.

01:11:48.620 He'd say, okay, if that's your attitude, fine.

01:11:50.580 And he will make the necessary adjustments.

01:11:53.640 So they are very dependent upon us.

01:11:56.460 And they should also think that for 85 years, when we fought that country twice, we didn't

01:12:02.780 want to go over there.

01:12:03.880 We never wanted to go over to Europe.

01:12:05.800 We had to go over there in World War I.

01:12:07.080 I'm speaking to someone who my grandfather was gassed in World War I.

01:12:11.820 My father flew 40 missions and a bomber in World War II.

01:12:15.960 The person I'm named after was killed in World War II.

01:12:18.600 None of us wanted to go over there.

01:12:20.580 Our country, we went over there and saved Europe twice.

01:12:23.760 And then we did a third time, we protected a vulnerable Germany from Russia for almost

01:12:29.940 a half century in the Cold War.

01:12:31.880 And they took that free defense and they had the German miracle.

01:12:36.860 That was great.

01:12:37.920 They were spending all of their resources on being productive, but they developed a very

01:12:42.280 harsh strain of anti-Americanism.

01:12:45.660 And I don't know where it came from, but I had my suspicions that it had something to

01:12:48.860 do with the humiliation of defeat and defeat and then dependency on the United States.

01:12:53.960 And if he really thinks that he, that Donald Trump is some crazy person with no constituency,

01:12:59.660 he should look at the polls.

01:13:02.080 Because, uh...

01:13:03.240 Right.

01:13:03.960 Right.

01:13:04.340 He speaks for us now.

01:13:06.040 Yeah.

01:13:06.580 Donald Trump is the only American...

01:13:08.140 Let me finish up domestically before I take us fully across the pond there.

01:13:13.280 Trump in an epic battle of words and now in the courts with the main governor.

01:13:20.620 It was a thing of beauty when at the governor's meeting at the White House on Friday, he called

01:13:27.800 her out to her face on her defiance of his executive orders around gender and boys trying

01:13:35.200 to play in girls' sports.

01:13:36.620 Watch this.

01:13:38.220 The NCAA has complied immediately, by the way.

01:13:41.580 That's good.

01:13:42.180 But I understand Maine.

01:13:44.260 Is Maine here?

01:13:45.120 The governor of Maine?

01:13:47.100 Are you not going to comply with it?

01:13:50.060 I'm complying with state and federal laws.

01:13:52.340 Well, I'm...

01:13:53.060 We are the federal law.

01:13:54.680 Well, you better do it.

01:13:55.840 You better do it because you're not going to get any federal funding at all if you don't.

01:13:59.180 And by the way, your population, even though it's somewhat liberal, although I did very

01:14:02.680 well there, your population doesn't want men playing in women's sports.

01:14:07.300 So you better comply because otherwise you're not getting any federal funding.

01:14:12.460 I'll see you in court.

01:14:13.160 Every state...

01:14:14.140 Good.

01:14:14.360 I'll see you in court.

01:14:15.020 I look forward to that.

01:14:15.940 That should be a real easy one.

01:14:18.860 And enjoy your life after governor because I don't think you'll be in elected politics.

01:14:24.780 It's perfect.

01:14:26.280 Perfectly done.

01:14:27.180 Trump, thank you so much.

01:14:28.580 So thrilled you won.

01:14:29.620 Okay, that woman is Janet Mills.

01:14:32.540 And I just want to say this.

01:14:34.740 She's a far lefty on this issue and she's not in step with the people.

01:14:38.760 He's absolutely right.

01:14:39.720 But let me just tell you something.

01:14:41.760 An executive order does have the force of federal law.

01:14:45.100 It does have the force of federal law.

01:14:46.980 And under the Supremacy Clause, federal law trumps state law when they conflict.

01:14:51.860 State law reigns if there's no federal law.

01:14:53.680 But if there is a federal law and there's a competing state law and they conflict, federal law trumps state law.

01:15:01.100 So Trump is absolutely right in his constitutional interpretation there.

01:15:05.000 And an executive order has the full force and effect of law.

01:15:08.140 The only way of getting out of an executive order is if you can prove that the president did not have the authority to enact it in the first place.

01:15:15.860 You know, you're just acting willy-nilly and there's nothing in the Constitution that gave him the power to issue such a thing.

01:15:23.420 That's not going to be the case here.

01:15:25.760 Title IX is a legitimate, duly enacted statute that the executive branch and the Department of Education has been interpreting since it was passed.

01:15:34.640 And he said to her, Title IX must be complied with.

01:15:38.280 Title IX, Biden's changes to it, allowing boys to compete, has been struck down.

01:15:42.560 That is no longer of any valid force or effect and all the courts will so hold.

01:15:47.720 What's in effect right now is a title that protects girls, biological girls in sport.

01:15:52.380 And the Department of Education, which now is Trump's, has interpreted Title IX to say boys may not play.

01:15:58.620 And so he's 100% in the right legally.

01:16:00.860 If, if he says you will not let boys play because Title IX doesn't allow it, it doesn't matter what her state civil rights law says.

01:16:09.940 We already saw a very similar battle to this play out, Victor, in 303 Creative, where we had Colorado go in there and say our state human rights laws do not allow this woman to say she won't create a wedding website for people who are LGBTQ.

01:16:26.780 And she went in and said, okay, I see that's what the state human rights law says, but the federal constitution protects my right of freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom not to say or endorse certain things.

01:16:41.240 And that's right there, the same amendment that governs press and so on.

01:16:45.900 And so the court said, right, the constitution will trump this particular protection under the state law.

01:16:54.920 That's what happened.

01:16:55.900 That's what's going to happen in Maine.

01:16:57.540 She knows it.

01:16:58.680 She's looking to make herself a star.

01:17:00.660 And she, she is, because if you Google her name and Trump today, you will see about two dozen fawning profiles on the woman who stood up to Trump.

01:17:15.600 Short sighted because that issue, I know that Maine is a liberal state, but that issue runs 70 to 80% against her.

01:17:24.160 Almost every poll, people overwhelmingly, I think it's only 20 to 30% of the people would like to see or like to allow biological males and female sports.

01:17:35.540 It's a no brainer.

01:17:36.280 20% at most.

01:17:37.760 Yeah.

01:17:38.280 And then the second thing, NCAA has already ruled against her.

01:17:41.780 So what is she saying that it's okay to do it, but all my athletes and all my state universities and colleges and Jaycees, they're not going to be able to, if you're a biological man, you're not going to be recognized in an NCAA event.

01:17:57.480 And so she's not going to be able to affect that.

01:18:00.620 That makes no sense at all.

01:18:02.320 And then Maine, like all small states are very dependent on federal funds.

01:18:07.260 And we're already seeing these statutes now about sanctuary cities that Trump is going to try to make the same case.

01:18:14.760 We have 600 of them.

01:18:15.960 If they violate federal immigration law and they think there's this neo-confederate idea of nullification, that's what she is, the neo-confederate.

01:18:24.560 Like South Carolina, you know, I'm not going to follow the tariff law.

01:18:28.940 These are the same things that started the civil war in the South.

01:18:31.700 That the South said, we're not going to honor civil war.

01:18:35.640 This is what George Wallace did in 1962 when he said, I'm not going to follow federal integration civil rights laws at the University of Alabama.

01:18:45.000 I'm not going to segregate it.

01:18:46.200 It's got a bad tradition, states' rights, of nullifying federal law.

01:18:51.780 And so in every aspect, she's on the losing end.

01:18:54.560 And so I think you've come up with the only explanation that she feels that she wants to be some kind of cultural icon or get all this publicity.

01:19:04.360 But it's short-sighted.

01:19:07.180 How about Trump and the guts to call her out and engage in that battle?

01:19:11.840 There won't be 24 profiles of Trump and how tough he is, right?

01:19:15.660 Has no qualms.

01:19:16.720 A lot of men especially would not want to take on the female governor, get right up in her face like that.

01:19:21.120 Not Trump, he does not give a fig.

01:19:26.560 Not about him.

01:19:27.660 He doesn't care.

01:19:29.100 And there's 40% of the country that likes him because he doesn't care.

01:19:33.980 And the other people, if he picks out his fights when he says he doesn't care like this one, the other 15% that are critical, he'll get 55% ratings on this issue because of the issue.

01:19:45.300 She's on the wrong side of this issue.

01:19:48.140 And she knows it.

01:19:49.260 It's a very feminist issue.

01:19:50.560 So she wants to go down swinging.

01:19:52.280 Meanwhile, in her state, in February, February 18th, this is, I think, why it was on Trump's mind, a biological boy won first place in the main state championship for pole vaulting.

01:20:05.240 The boy who now goes by the name Katie had a clearance over the vault six inches higher than the girl who came in second.

01:20:16.360 Here's the same boy.

01:20:17.620 Here he was last season, two years ago, sorry, when he was tying for fifth place in the pole vault.

01:20:24.040 Now that he's a so-called girl, there he is atop the leaderboard.

01:20:29.540 And in the number one spot because he's gone from tied for fifth two years ago as a boy to winning first by a mile over the girls he towers over, both in the pole vault and on those podiums where they accept their medals.

01:20:46.000 It's ridiculous, it's ridiculous, Victor.

01:20:49.360 And this is what she's standing up for.

01:20:51.300 Katie, who's actually a boy, that's who she's standing up.

01:20:54.220 She doesn't give two shits about the women who are down in second and third place there, who worked their whole middle school, high school, elementary school to try to get as high as they could in pole vault and were doing great.

01:21:04.420 And that second place finisher who would have had gold had it not been for her defiance of the Trump EO.

01:21:12.020 And that when you look at the statistics in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, about what what was then called transsexuals and then later transgender, it usually is something like point zero one point zero two of the population suffer from biological gender dysphoria.

01:21:31.400 And only this public, this publicity and this left wing hype has created this minuscule group of people who have a, you know, a clear biological problem of dysphoria.

01:21:45.380 They made it into a civil rights that became a cause celeb.

01:21:49.440 And so now you have undergraduates at elite elite schools say that maybe 10, 15 percent of them want to transition.

01:21:54.580 But it's not based on the actual biological problem, which is very rare in society.

01:22:02.080 And she knows that.

01:22:03.340 And so I don't know why these politicians do that.

01:22:06.740 But when you look at the issue and you poll, especially among minority voters, it polls very poorly.

01:22:12.900 And, you know, I think she was the same mayor that went to this LG B2Q event and started gyrating on stage and dancing.

01:22:21.860 Yes.

01:22:22.300 So I don't think she's a very stable governor at all.

01:22:26.080 I agree.

01:22:27.100 She made a fool of herself.

01:22:28.180 She saw in, let's see, this year, per the Portland Press-Herald, Maine K-12 schools received $250 million in federal funding this school year, which is more than virtually any other school.

01:22:43.860 Maine is especially dependent on the feds for its education money.

01:22:48.340 $250 million.

01:22:50.380 And she is going to lose it unless she gets in the line.

01:22:54.980 And like every other politician, when she realizes that money's on the line, which means her job, she will be fired by the Maine residents if she loses $250 million in federal funding, she'll bend the knee.

01:23:07.680 And I can't wait to watch her bend it.

01:23:09.520 I don't care whether a court has to tell her she has to do it or she just learns the hard way when she loses her money because the Trump Department of Education has just notified her that there's an investigation now.

01:23:21.820 This is the quote.

01:23:23.140 Maine would have you believe that it has no choice in how it treats women and girls and athletics.

01:23:26.700 Let me be clear.

01:23:27.800 If Maine wants to continue to receive federal funds from the Education Department, it must follow Title IX or we will do everything in our power to ensure taxpayers are not funding blatant civil rights violators.

01:23:37.440 She could be in trouble with them.

01:23:38.380 She could be in trouble with DOJ.

01:23:40.660 She's definitely going to get sued.

01:23:41.920 And she's going to lose.

01:23:44.620 And good.

01:23:45.800 Let her serve as a lesson, Victor, for the others who are dangerously flirting with this same line.

01:23:52.540 I think it's the first Trump administration where he had people throughout the cabinet, Rex Tillerson, James Mattis, John Bolton, that were not MAGA people.

01:24:04.100 And they were in the second tier.

01:24:06.680 They were everywhere.

01:24:07.460 So every time he issued an executive order, you would find somebody like Anonymous that was leaking or bragging that there was a whole army of obstructionists in the federal bureaucracy and they were all courted and feeded by the media.

01:24:22.420 There's nobody like that now.

01:24:23.800 When he's bringing these people in, one of the first questions I know from a fact is, are you going to stick to the agenda?

01:24:31.600 Have you stuck to the agenda in the past?

01:24:33.980 So she's not going to find dissidents anywhere in the Trump administration, the 20,000 or 30,000 political appointments that are going to try to undermine this.

01:24:43.400 In fact, all of these cabinet people are very different than the first administration.

01:24:47.720 They're going to be force multipliers.

01:24:49.540 It's more likely they're going to say to Trump, well, I think I can even do this and more and more.

01:24:55.180 I can even do more than you suggested, whereas before it was, yes, Mr. Trump, we'll do it.

01:24:59.480 And then leaked to the New York Times, hey, I'm really brave.

01:25:02.600 I'm trying to obfuscate or countermand.

01:25:05.660 That's not it's not the same world as 2017, 18.

01:25:09.720 I don't think she understands it, that there's some very talented people that are working for Trump and they believe in what he's trying to do.

01:25:17.120 And they're very capable and they're very serious.

01:25:19.620 And they're going to learn.

01:25:21.400 You're absolutely right.

01:25:22.360 What's going to happen to her?

01:25:24.320 I mean, she used to be a federal prosecutor, a state prosecutor.

01:25:27.200 She shouldn't have forgotten the law.

01:25:28.720 It hasn't been that long ago.

01:25:29.900 She knows perfectly well.

01:25:31.440 That's why I believe she's grandstanding to get her name in the paper and to have her girl boss moment.

01:25:36.260 And the left wing press just runs with it.

01:25:38.360 Like without I actually look through the press today.

01:25:40.340 Like, did anybody do a fair job of actually explaining there is a supremacy clause that EOs would have supremacy over state law?

01:25:46.440 And the only the only way out of it is the way I described.

01:25:48.980 No, no, it's just read the New York Times right up of it.

01:25:51.840 It's oh, she took him on.

01:25:53.420 Look how tough she is.

01:25:54.480 She's a tough girl.

01:25:55.220 She was a prosecutor.

01:25:56.340 It's ridiculous.

01:25:57.180 What a disservice.

01:25:58.720 And before we go to break, I just want to give you one other example of media malpractice.

01:26:02.940 In somewhat related news, there's a group of San Francisco people who are suing Trump over his executive orders as pertains to gender, DEI, and so on.

01:26:15.340 They think he can't issue these executive orders.

01:26:17.400 So they're going to file a lawsuit and try to challenge him.

01:26:19.940 Fine.

01:26:20.320 Lots of people are doing that.

01:26:21.460 Um, and it'll play out in the courts, but Axios reports on the lawsuit and here's their headline.

01:26:27.500 San Francisco community groups, sue Trump over anti-trans executive orders.

01:26:32.060 President Trump, this is Axios, ran his campaign on an incendiary anti-trans platform.

01:26:38.360 All right.

01:26:39.120 First of all, he never ripped on trans people.

01:26:42.260 He said that he was going to stop them from competing in girls sports and he was going to declare actual gender realities.

01:26:49.500 If you want to live your life as a man claiming to be a woman, that's your business.

01:26:53.040 And Trump has never said otherwise.

01:26:54.240 President Trump ran his campaign on an incendiary, it's not incendiary, the vast majority of the public is with Trump, anti-trans platform that promoted false claims about the community.

01:27:04.760 Well, I was interested in that because I followed this issue very closely when Trump was running and thereafter.

01:27:08.860 So I clicked on the little link in the Axios report.

01:27:11.680 What were the, quote, false claims about the community that he made?

01:27:15.500 And it's cited back to a 2024 Axios article about Trump's appearance at a barbershop in the Bronx and this exchange.

01:27:28.100 Watch.

01:27:29.520 Washington.

01:27:30.440 I don't know if you ever noticed us.

01:27:32.020 You got Department of Education, Department of Education.

01:27:34.680 You got half the buildings of Department of Education.

01:27:37.440 I never saw.

01:27:38.600 You don't need any of them.

01:27:39.980 You know, I want one person and a secretary to just make sure they're teaching English.

01:27:45.780 OK, give it a little English.

01:27:48.060 OK, I say reading, writing and arithmetic.

01:27:51.700 No transgender, no operations.

01:27:54.440 You know, they take your kid.

01:27:55.840 There are some places your boy leaves the school, comes back a girl.

01:28:01.320 OK, without parental consent.

01:28:04.680 What is that all about?

01:28:06.140 That's like that's when they talk about a threat to democracy.

01:28:09.980 They're a threat.

01:28:12.200 That is 100 percent true.

01:28:14.280 No, it is correct.

01:28:16.400 And they know it because this is what Axios wrote at the time.

01:28:20.720 They wrote they quoted that thing.

01:28:23.200 And then they said the Trump Vance campaign pointed to a number of stories about policies

01:28:28.540 that allow students to socially transition in the classroom without informing parents,

01:28:32.460 but none of which supported his claims of operations being done, being conducted in schools.

01:28:41.100 That's not what he said, that he was listing a bunch of stuff, the craziness that's happening out there right now.

01:28:46.900 And then he made the separate point that kids are going to school as boys and and they're transing them at school.

01:28:53.860 It is 100 percent true just for kicks, David.

01:28:56.480 Victor, I I pulled just a couple.

01:29:00.100 California mother claims teachers manipulated her daughter to change her gender identity.

01:29:03.680 This is out in California.

01:29:05.000 This mother, Jessica Conan, filed a lawsuit alleging that the school allegedly manipulated her seventh grade daughter to change her gender identity under the guise of their parental secret policy,

01:29:16.380 where teachers could counsel students about gender confusion and assert a new gender identity without notifying parents.

01:29:22.460 This became law in California that you were allowed to do this in New York City, in the private and the public schools.

01:29:29.760 It's the policy that the kid can come to school.

01:29:32.320 David, he can say, I'm Denise all day while they are take tests as Denise, be called Denise, then go home.

01:29:38.220 David again at the end of the day, get a report card for David.

01:29:41.500 The parents have no idea when they go in for parent teacher.

01:29:43.920 They talk about David, have no freaking clue.

01:29:46.500 He's a Denise to everyone there.

01:29:48.780 And it's policy.

01:29:50.280 That's what Trump's pointing out.

01:29:51.960 And the nerve of Axios is dishonest act paper and their DEI reporter, Shauna Chen, who's focused on race and justice.

01:30:00.520 Her most recent articles are 14 black Bay Area authors to add to your reading list and nine ways to celebrate black history in the Bay Area.

01:30:09.360 For her to call them dishonest is the height of projection.

01:30:14.120 Here in California, it's even worse because Gavin Newsom went back and begged for federal funds for to rebuild Los Angeles.

01:30:26.400 Now we're saying they need they need this isn't the price to rebuild Pacific Palisades and other places.

01:30:31.720 It's what they need from the federal government in addition to what they little have.

01:30:36.240 They want $40 billion from Donald Trump in the federal government.

01:30:40.900 He had just had a $50 million fund to sue Donald Trump on this issue and on sanctuary cities.

01:30:48.560 And they have no idea that our whole federal water system that transfers half of it is run by the federal government.

01:30:57.480 And Donald Trump doesn't have to build new things.

01:31:01.280 He doesn't have to give any money if he doesn't want to to Los Angeles.

01:31:04.500 He's trying to help them.

01:31:05.860 And they're trying to sue him on two issues that have no public support, illegal immigration and open borders and then the trans issue.

01:31:14.600 And yet they dig down.

01:31:16.400 And we're going to say Gavin Newsom started the year off with $76 billion in deficits.

01:31:23.140 He ran the state in the ground.

01:31:24.700 Now he has this stonehenge.

01:31:27.980 It's right near where I'm talking from this high speed rail that we've already blown 15 to 18 billion dollars.

01:31:34.520 The price to finish it is $300 billion.

01:31:37.140 15 years we haven't laid a foot of track.

01:31:40.360 And he's broke.

01:31:41.360 And he wants Donald Trump to keep giving him $4 and $5 billion.

01:31:45.160 It's not going to happen.

01:31:46.740 And they don't understand that on all these issues, Megan, the ones that you've talked about in Maine and here in California, they're on the wrong side of public opinion.

01:31:55.740 And the public does not support federal funds for trans stuff, federal funds to go to illegal immigrants.

01:32:02.340 They don't want to, the state governors are, I don't know what they're doing, but his popularity has gone like this, Newsom.

01:32:09.760 He's down below, way below 50%.

01:32:11.980 Good.

01:32:13.380 That's where he belongs.

01:32:15.200 And I mean, great.

01:32:16.560 I mean, talk about Pyrrhic victory, right?

01:32:18.180 To win a lawsuit like that, which they won't, but to win it over the objections of your entire constituency.

01:32:24.220 I mean, whatever makes you feel good at night.

01:32:26.500 All right, stand by.

01:32:27.700 We're going to take a break.

01:32:28.440 More with VDH after this.

01:32:29.680 I'd love to ask him what he thinks about the whole Ukraine scandal because he's a true expert on war and our history.

01:32:35.840 And he knows what he's talking about when it comes to this issue in particular.

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01:34:07.940 What explains his solicitous behavior toward Vladimir Putin, which started a long time before that?

01:34:19.240 Because he wants to be Vladimir Putin.

01:34:21.100 That explains his solicitous conduct to Putin, to Kim Jong-un, to Erdogan, to Xi.

01:34:32.360 Chris Christie, formerly governor of New Jersey, saying he wants to be, he wants, Trump wants

01:34:38.380 to be Vladimir Putin.

01:34:39.560 Could it be more complex than that?

01:34:40.880 We'll ask VDH.

01:34:42.060 Victor, your thoughts on Trump, the comments about Zelensky, about Ukraine allegedly starting

01:34:50.120 the war, which is not, I believe, at all what he meant.

01:34:53.040 If you listen to Trump in context, he's made very clear he knows who started the war.

01:34:56.600 But in any event, you know what the left-wing media is doing right now to him.

01:34:59.180 He's totally capitulated to Putin.

01:35:00.880 He gave up the game before the negotiation started.

01:35:03.220 He should have held back that Ukraine wasn't going to join NATO.

01:35:07.140 J.D. Vance has been saying everyone knows that.

01:35:09.800 There's no point in pretending that that's still up in the air as a possible negotiation chip.

01:35:15.260 But how do you evaluate what you've seen over the past two weeks on Ukraine?

01:35:20.420 Well, I think you kind of summed it up pretty well.

01:35:22.680 Donald Trump, as you pointed out, knows that Russia crossed the border.

01:35:27.180 And he said that again to make it clear that when he said started the war, he meant something

01:35:31.520 else other than crossing the border.

01:35:35.260 Donald Trump, as we just said, is the only administration which he has reminded us that

01:35:41.080 Putin did not invade a neighbor.

01:35:43.600 So he knows Putin invades neighbors, but he didn't invade under Trump's term.

01:35:48.040 So he's very sensitive to that.

01:35:50.580 What he was trying to do, though, is say a couple of things, Megan.

01:35:54.420 He was trying to say, you know, this thing has gone on for three years.

01:35:58.580 There's probably a million and a half on both sides dead, wounded, or missing and captured.

01:36:03.800 There's no real change in the pulse of the battlefield.

01:36:07.860 You're no longer the rock star you were of 2022 when you stopped, bravely stopped that

01:36:15.740 Kiev attack.

01:36:17.180 But the world is different now.

01:36:18.600 We're a million and a half casualties from that.

01:36:21.820 All of the European blowhard promises have not been actualized.

01:36:26.720 And you're dependent right now on the two to three hundred billion that we give you.

01:36:31.700 And yet you're telling us what you're going to do and what you're not going to do.

01:36:35.720 And yet you haven't won the war.

01:36:37.480 And we've given you three hundred million and you're not going to win the war.

01:36:40.980 And it's never been the position of any administration, not Obama, not my first one, not Biden, to militarily

01:36:49.620 give you the ability to take back the Crimea and the Donbass.

01:36:53.820 It's not going to happen.

01:36:55.160 So let's not play coy about it.

01:36:57.080 We're not going to lie and say this is a bargaining chip.

01:37:00.500 Second, you're armed to the teeth.

01:37:03.160 You're better armed than any other NATO country right now.

01:37:06.080 You're at the point where Putin regrets what he did.

01:37:08.720 And if we can get him back out to where he started from, you will be able to defend yourself.

01:37:14.020 So now he's saying, essentially, I don't care what people say.

01:37:19.240 You're not going to be in NATO and you know you're not going to be in NATO.

01:37:23.040 Europe knows you're not going to be in NATO.

01:37:25.140 We know you're not going to be in NATO and Russia.

01:37:27.900 So why the pretense of saying, well, we're going to negotiate a NATO membership or we're

01:37:32.540 going to negotiate Crimea and Donbass?

01:37:35.300 Nobody believes that.

01:37:37.060 So what's the only real contention to stop this thing?

01:37:40.880 Can Donald Trump somehow get Vladimir Putin back to where he was on February 23rd or close

01:37:48.900 to it when he invaded?

01:37:50.720 And I guess he's going to say, OK, Vladimir, you can tell everybody that you institutionalized

01:37:56.060 what you already had at Crimea and Donbass.

01:37:58.480 You were able to make sure that Zelensky is not in NATO.

01:38:03.560 You have your new anti-American alliance.

01:38:06.640 Good.

01:38:07.080 And then he can say to Zelensky, you were very heroic.

01:38:10.880 You were like the Finns in World War II.

01:38:12.700 You stopped the Russians.

01:38:13.880 You saved your country.

01:38:15.360 You were never going to get back what you lost in 2014.

01:38:19.080 You may not be in NATO, but you're armed and we're going to have a concession and we're

01:38:23.980 not neo-imperialist.

01:38:25.620 We're trying to have a business relationship.

01:38:28.200 It's good for you because you will be able to develop your natural resources.

01:38:32.380 It's good for us because we'll get some compensation and that will be a tripwire with the Russians.

01:38:38.300 So when they see us and our businesses right in your country, they're going to be a real

01:38:42.900 a little reluctant to take on a nuclear power and try to invade you again.

01:38:47.800 So this is a deal.

01:38:48.900 And we can stop this bloodshed pretty quickly.

01:38:53.340 And the left, the left pretty much, Megan, wants to fight to the last Ukrainian.

01:38:58.520 And they really do feel they're going to bleed Russia white.

01:39:02.100 And then all of a sudden it's going to implode and they're going to get a left wing euro country.

01:39:07.920 And that's not going to happen.

01:39:09.000 Didn't happen with the czars.

01:39:10.560 It didn't.

01:39:10.820 I only have 45 seconds till we got to go.

01:39:14.400 But can you just put in context the way Trump talks?

01:39:17.920 Yes, he's talks exactly like he did with Panama, Greenland and Canada.

01:39:23.040 We're going to invade Panama.

01:39:25.080 Oh, OK.

01:39:26.540 China, China deal canceled.

01:39:29.380 We should buy Greenland.

01:39:30.420 Oh, Denmark's now investing in Greenland and rearming.

01:39:34.220 Oh, Canada.

01:39:35.960 We might make you the 50.

01:39:37.160 Oh, you're spending a billion dollars suddenly to patrol your border.

01:39:40.840 So he talks like this and he gets results and we're back to don't take him literally.

01:39:47.080 Take him, you know, for what it is.

01:39:50.480 Art of the diet.

01:39:51.480 Take him seriously because he gets results.

01:39:53.460 But don't take him literally.

01:39:55.280 That's exactly right.

01:39:56.000 So this freak out of a like, he's a dictator.

01:39:58.880 Would you calm down?

01:40:00.100 Let's just watch and see what he actually does.

01:40:02.500 And see whether if, as Caroline Levitt suggested, he might have Ukraine settled this week, which would be really remarkable.

01:40:12.300 Victor, always a pleasure, my friend.

01:40:13.840 Great to see you.

01:40:15.080 Thank you, Megan, for having me.

01:40:17.040 All right.

01:40:17.280 We are back tomorrow with Batya Ungersargan and more.

01:40:19.820 We'll see you then.

01:40:21.980 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

01:40:23.900 No BS, no agenda and no fear.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - February 24, 2025

Joy Reid Finally Fired, Bongino Joins Trump Admin, and Possible Russia-Ukraine Peace Deal, with Victor Davis Hanson ｜ Ep. 1012

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