The Megyn Kelly Show - Judge Threatens to Jail Trump, Kristi Noem's Lies, and the ＂End of Everything,＂ with Victor Davis Hanson

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.220 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. It's Monday, which means former

00:00:16.620 President Donald Trump is back in court in New York City. He started the day getting fined $1,000

00:00:22.020 for, the judge said, violating the gag order. This is that comment he made about the jury

00:00:28.280 being 95 percent Democrats. That's ridiculous. Remember, that was the one he fixed by saying

00:00:35.480 on the tail end of it, like in New York City, which could have been a broader commentary on

00:00:41.300 jurors here. But no, this judge would never miss an opportunity to punish Trump and to act

00:00:47.040 exasperated at his absolutely terrible behavior, you know, like speaking about the allegations

00:00:53.920 against him and the criminal trial against him. Now, a stern warning that jail time could be next

00:01:02.040 if there are more violations of what is clearly an unconstitutional gag order.

00:01:09.120 I don't know. I feel like Trump should be hoping for it. I really do. Like, what more can happen

00:01:16.120 to the guy besides jail time to rally people behind him and realize what's happening here?

00:01:23.180 I'll ask Victor Davis Hanson what he thinks, whether jail time on these alleged gag order

00:01:28.700 violations might be good for Trump or bad for him. That's in two seconds. Meantime,

00:01:33.900 Columbia University has canceled its commencement. Boo-hoo. As the hateful protests continue.

00:01:40.200 And I couldn't care less. I don't feel bad for them at all. Why'd you send your kids there?

00:01:43.920 They shouldn't have gone to Columbia. You knew what you were getting. Please. You go to SMU,

00:01:49.060 you go to Columbia, you're going to be having two very different experiences.

00:01:53.360 Reconsider if you're normal. Reconsider Columbia University. You knew that. You knew that when

00:01:58.020 you sent your kids there. That's why they're not going to have a commencement. And by the way,

00:02:01.560 those same kids didn't have a commencement four years ago when they graduated from high school

00:02:04.760 because of COVID. So there you go. You made a bad choice. Also, a once and now former

00:02:12.420 potential Trump VP pick, Kristi Noem embarrasses herself again while on her book tour. It's almost

00:02:18.880 like she's trying to ruin her reputation. Joining us today, Victor Davis Hanson. He is absolutely

00:02:25.840 brilliant. I'm so glad to have him with me for the full show today. And he's also the author of a

00:02:30.520 brand new book that you must go buy and read. It's called The End of Everything. How wars descend

00:02:38.600 into annihilation. And Victor is an expert on warfare. He's been writing about it and teaching

00:02:44.340 about it for a long, long time now. The book is out tomorrow, but it's available for pre-order right

00:02:48.680 now. The End of Everything. It's rising up the Amazon charts at this moment. Let's make it number

00:02:54.180 one. That'll really irritate the people at Stanford. He's at the Hoover Institution.

00:03:01.560 Victor, welcome back to the show.

00:03:04.260 Thank you for having me, Megan.

00:03:05.340 So we'll get to the book, but there are a lot of lessons in these, you know, ancient warfare

00:03:10.500 stories for modern day America. And it's almost as if the outcome of our current day fights

00:03:18.240 has been foretold. It could certainly be predicted based on some of the battles that you write about

00:03:24.340 that may include names. Half the people don't know as a daily, you know, on a daily basis,

00:03:29.240 but the lessons are all there. Let's just, let's just kick it off with that. There's so much news to

00:03:34.000 get to it, but I just kick off what you think people will get out of the book when it comes

00:03:38.260 to understanding modern day America.

00:03:39.160 Well, I picked ancient Thebes, the end of Carthage, the capture of Constantinople,

00:03:46.320 the destruction of Christendom in Asia Minor, and then the fall of the Aztecs. And they all were

00:03:52.060 very similar. All of these targeted places and empires and cities thought they were still robust,

00:03:58.460 even though by any outside measure they were in decline. They were very naive. They thought that

00:04:04.060 if they revolted or went to war against a stronger power, either allies would be on the horizon to help them

00:04:12.360 or something magically would happen to reinforce their defense. They had no appraisal of the type of people

00:04:19.260 they were facing in Alexander the Great or Scipio or Hernán Cortés or the Sultan Mehmet in the case of Constantinople,

00:04:28.340 who really wanted to destroy them. I don't mean, and these are not destructions, Megan, where

00:04:33.340 they're Genghis Khan or Tamerline. They sweep in, they kill everybody, rape the women, take the slave and

00:04:39.360 leave. They systematically destroy the civilization. They destroy the infrastructure. They enslave any

00:04:46.540 survivors. They kill all the people. They wipe out the language, the religion. And in 30 or 40 years,

00:04:53.020 these places don't exist. And there's no memory of one, really. And when I look at the modern world,

00:04:59.120 it was very strange that all the people on the contemporary scene who do these, who make these

00:05:03.900 threats, we, like these targeted cities, and they're very rare. I mean, most times you lose a war, you don't

00:05:10.220 get completely erased, your history and your existence destroyed. But when we hear what the Iranian

00:05:19.600 mullahs say about Israel is a one bomb state, or it will no longer exist. And it's good to have all

00:05:26.140 the Jews in one place because they can take them out. And we think that's ridiculous. I think there's

00:05:31.120 25 instances where a Soviet, excuse me, a Russian general or somebody in the Russian parliament have

00:05:38.440 talked about using nuclear weapons to wipe out Ukraine because they feel it's an aberration. It

00:05:44.000 doesn't exist. The same thing is true of Taiwan. And I mentioned that in the epilogue, but they've

00:05:49.060 repeatedly said they wanted to destroy Taiwanese civilization. It's an aberration that doesn't

00:05:54.300 really exist. And when I just mentioned that in the book, the Chinese publisher gave me an ultimatum,

00:06:00.780 either take that out, or we're going to cancel the Chinese translation, which had been pretty,

00:06:05.580 yeah, and I didn't do it. So they canceled. They were so sensitive about that. One of the strangest

00:06:12.620 people is Turkey, Recipe Peridion. He has threatened, he's told the Athenians they're going to wake up

00:06:17.940 the capital of Greece and see a rain of missiles. He's told us that our nuclear weapons at Israel

00:06:24.540 Air Force Base are not really ours. They've been in Turkey so long, he feels he has proprietary rights.

00:06:30.680 He's threatened to wipe out Tel Aviv. He's threatened to, he said he would handle the

00:06:35.100 Armenians the way his grandfathers did, that is the Armenian genocide. And so I went through all those,

00:06:43.280 and it's very funny how we all dismiss them because they are very rare occasions and the chances that

00:06:48.880 they might happen are not necessarily great, but they do happen. And I think we should take them

00:06:55.300 seriously. And I don't think if you look at us compared to where Carthage was or the Byzantines,

00:07:01.780 there's very similar, very similar problems. We're borrowing a trillion dollars every hundred days.

00:07:09.440 We're short 40,000 recruits in the military. We have an open border that's not secure. 10 million

00:07:15.540 people have walked across. After Afghanistan's humiliation, the Chinese balloon, Gaza, you get

00:07:22.380 the impression that we've lost all deterrence abroad. I don't think anybody ever thought that we

00:07:29.560 would see the anti-Semitism on campus. It's one like the 30s in Europe. And so, but yet we don't,

00:07:35.860 we don't, we just say, this is just America. This is, this is what makes us great. Or this is why

00:07:40.400 we're diverse. All these platitudes are very similar to what people were saying inside the

00:07:45.080 walls when they were destroyed. Or don't worry, the Romans would never do this. Nobody's ever

00:07:49.820 breached the walls of Carthage. And the Macedonians will come to the rear and help us. And we're

00:07:54.900 Carthaginians. We're the city of Hannibal. Didn't, didn't do much good in the 11th hour.

00:07:59.740 You write about how it's, civilizations have collapsed over time and how they sort of march

00:08:08.960 to the abyss, not necessarily knowing that it's the abyss and that, you know, the next

00:08:14.000 step could be one's last, showing how societies descend into barbarism and obliteration. And

00:08:21.340 I realize like those terms may seem excessive to describe America right now, but on some days,

00:08:28.420 not really. So you and I've talked many times about societal rot, cultural rot,

00:08:35.700 just absolute, it feels like nihilism, what we're doing to ourselves. But what would you say are the

00:08:42.320 top three indicators that America's following that path right now?

00:08:48.020 Well, one of them is that we have destroyed the system of law, equal application of the law. And I

00:08:56.680 mean that in the broadest sense. There is no federal immigration law. It's not that the border is

00:09:00.440 porous. It doesn't exist. And we have 10 million people here. We all know they came in illegally.

00:09:05.900 We all know they're residing illegally. And yet we're subsidizing. And if anybody said,

00:09:10.620 when the medicine is seen as worse than the disease were in bad shape, no one will say they need to go

00:09:16.540 back, the 10 million. And we'll deal with the other illegal aliens later on, but at least the 10 million.

00:09:23.040 And we don't, if somebody commits a violent act, they're usually in a big city out the same day.

00:09:27.920 It's not that we're lax on crime. There's actual people who believe it's not a crime. So,

00:09:33.200 and then when you look at Trump is going through or the January 6th versus the May 2020 and June 2020

00:09:39.680 So there's, I think everybody feels that the law doesn't exist as blind justice, that it's applied

00:09:46.000 through ideological or democratic lenses. And that's one big thing. The other is, I don't think

00:09:52.080 they have confidence in the military anymore. Not just that we're so short recruits, but they feel

00:09:57.960 that it's ideologically biased, that it's woke. The working class white males who died at double their

00:10:08.400 numbers and the demographic in Iraq and Afghanistan, we all counted on, we kind of demonized them,

00:10:14.860 Millie and Austin did, and said they were prone to white rage and white supremacy. And they ran an

00:10:20.260 investigation and they just announced in December, they found nothing, but they really turned off that

00:10:26.340 demographic. And they are the ones, that demographic is why we're short 40,000. All the other demographics

00:10:32.700 are joining the military at previous levels, but not that demographic.

00:10:36.960 So that, I'm really worried about our military work. We don't have a military production

00:10:42.200 that's necessary to replace artillery, the mundane things, bullets, artillery, drones, javelins. But

00:10:51.340 we're spending all this money with these defense contractors on these $200 million jets, but

00:10:56.840 we need the basics and large numbers, especially if we were to go to war with China.

00:11:02.480 And then I, so I'm worried about the military and I'm worried about the absence of rule of

00:11:08.600 law and just finish. It's financial. We're spending more money to service the debt than we are on the

00:11:17.000 defense budget. That's it. Neil Ferguson wrote a good article not too long ago, a colleague of

00:11:21.940 mine at Hoover, that for him, that was a barometer of modern collapse when a 20th, late 20th century

00:11:29.060 or 21st century state spent more to service the debt than they could spend on their own defense.

00:11:35.980 Well, that's dark. So how, as the expert, how did, how would it end if it's in the process of ending

00:11:48.240 this experiment of ours? How does the ending take place?

00:11:55.100 Well, I think you just continue to let people hear from the poorest and illiberal regimes in the world. So we have

00:12:02.160 an all time record, Megan, 55 million people were not born in the United States.

00:12:07.880 And that's the highest number. And it's the highest percentage, 15%. And when you're letting in 2 million

00:12:13.900 a year, you're going to see large pockets of areas where people are coming from different places, but

00:12:21.360 they have nothing in common. And the host has no effort or no desire to make them have something in

00:12:28.140 common with other Americans. So we're making enclaves. And we're starting to break up under our federalist

00:12:34.500 system, which is great. But people are all going, I don't mean all people, but from Illinois or

00:12:41.160 Minnesota or New York or California, you're getting over 2 million people a year that are going to so-called

00:12:48.140 red states, low taxes, traditional values, and safe. And, you know, the government is not physically

00:12:59.020 insolvent, et cetera, et cetera. The blue model has failed. So we're starting to divide geographically.

00:13:04.960 And any time you add a geographical force multiplier to cultural differences, and you can really see it.

00:13:12.460 I know when you travel a lot and you go to Tennessee and you go from Tennessee, from New York City, or from

00:13:19.380 just coastal California to Florida, they're like two different worlds. And they're not, it's like the

00:13:26.540 1850s, it seems to me, when we also had a geographical element to political differences. So I think that's

00:13:34.880 one of the things. Financially, I think historically, when you have that level of debt, you can either

00:13:40.680 inflate the currency. And we're trying to do that to pay back bondholders and debtors with cheap

00:13:46.840 dollars, or we can renounce the debt. People have talked about that. And we're doing that.

00:13:53.180 We're telling people who took student loans, it was about $1.8 trillion that they don't have to pay.

00:13:59.560 You know, we're giving away billions of dollars. And that's just the way of the government saying

00:14:03.640 that these students have renounced their debt. They wouldn't have forgiven them if the students had

00:14:09.320 made their payments. And then also, you can appropriate capital. That happens in Rome,

00:14:14.360 that happened in Byzantine. And we're starting to talk about that. When I researched the dying

00:14:19.160 citizen, I noticed there's a lot of thought by the left put into things like, we're going to take

00:14:25.300 your 401k, but we're going to give you for each $100,000, we will give you years of social security

00:14:32.460 credit. And so people, you didn't build that attitude. When they say you didn't build that,

00:14:38.240 you can see where they're going. But they have to deal with the $36 trillion in debt somehow.

00:14:43.440 And we're borrowing over $2 trillion a year. And Joe Biden just, you know, it's, he just,

00:14:50.160 we're going to give this to Ukraine, we're going to give this overseas, we're going to do this,

00:14:53.820 this, this. And it's, there is a limit to it, despite what modern monetary theory says that there

00:15:02.280 isn't, there is. Yeah, it's catching up to us. You know, this discussion is reminding me

00:15:07.280 of my eighth grader, who's been preparing for a debate he has to do for school on whether we

00:15:14.080 should abolish the electoral college. And he's arguing that we should not abandon it. And some

00:15:20.720 others in the class are, you know, have been assigned to argue the opposite. So he's been

00:15:25.420 researching a lot. And I've been learning a lot myself just about the, a lot of the reasons behind

00:15:30.000 it and so on. I mean, we all have a working knowledge, but it's been a fascinating exercise.

00:15:33.380 And some of the things that you're pointing out right here are the arguments in favor of keeping

00:15:37.840 it, right? Because if we switch to a system where it's just the popular vote, you're going to have

00:15:43.140 politicians who only campaign in the largest cities and to the coastal elites and the smaller

00:15:49.040 states and cities and towns are going to be forgotten. And one of the reasons it was instituted

00:15:54.600 to begin with was a worry about cultural differences and preserving them in these, you know,

00:16:00.960 these 50 state experiments. But if they were going to sign on to a federalism principle where the feds

00:16:06.700 had power over them, they wanted to make sure that they were adequately represented, even though they

00:16:10.220 were small. They didn't have as big a populace. And there was real worry about people in the larger

00:16:16.980 states and larger cities forcing their worldview on the smaller colonies or states and so on.

00:16:23.780 And the second piece of it was, you said, appropriation. And it's starting to happen more and

00:16:28.520 more. You say, well, you know, we'll just start with by messing with the 401ks a little. We'll just

00:16:33.760 start by making the trucker pay for these snot nosed college campus protesters, student loans,

00:16:39.840 just a little here or there. We'll just call it forgiveness. He won't really realize that we're

00:16:43.420 taking his money. And that was the other big thing that they were worried about was appropriate was

00:16:48.140 that they would have a president backed by, you know, elites in these big cities who would start

00:16:55.400 appropriating land in particular in the smaller parts of the United States. And that these folks

00:17:01.520 would effectively be without a voice to object to it if they didn't have the power that they have

00:17:06.160 through the electoral college, where you have the number of electors of your house representatives,

00:17:10.680 plus your two senators. Anyway, the whole thing is kind of fascinating. And you're, as you talk about

00:17:15.360 the possible dissembling, it takes me back to what was important to the founders and creating the

00:17:19.560 company, the country to begin with. They were very, you know, they were really geniuses. And we,

00:17:25.020 I get so angry when people malign them because in the, in the case of electoral college, they also

00:17:31.340 mentioned that they felt that vote fraud would be almost impossible to stop entirely. But one thing

00:17:37.960 about it was there would be so many different states that you wouldn't have a coherent method to

00:17:44.760 throw an entire election. You might have states, but they wouldn't coordinate. But if you had a national

00:17:50.840 election, one party could have a national uniform balloting system, and then they could throw the entire

00:17:58.440 election. But they thought there would be too many, there would be too many players in the electoral

00:18:03.400 college for one particular ideology to control. But it brings up another moment, the left, you know, in the old

00:18:10.220 days of Bill Clinton, and even before that, with Jimmy Carter, when the left had an agenda

00:18:18.460 that didn't appeal to 51% of the people, they tried to, you know, in case of Bill Clinton, he'd say,

00:18:25.420 no, no, no, I'm going to have kids wear uniforms, or I'm going to have a sister soldier moment,

00:18:31.660 or I'm going to have police officers, 100,000 police officers. But they don't make that effort. They want

00:18:37.100 to change the system. They want to change the electoral college once the blue wall fell in 2016.

00:18:44.860 They used to brag about it. They'd say, well, before the election even starts, we have Illinois,

00:18:49.020 California, New York, they'll never be able to defeat us. And we have Michigan and Wisconsin and Ohio.

00:18:56.300 And now that's gone, so they don't like it. But they got rid of half of the 160-year

00:19:01.740 filibuster. They want to get rid of the nine-person, I guess that's 160 years, the nine-person

00:19:09.820 Supreme Court. They want to pack that. They want to bring two states in the union to get four

00:19:16.140 senators, D.C. and Puerto Rico. So the left is trying to, and you know, there's also a talk

00:19:22.380 when I was, I didn't realize how serious they are. But in the case of the electoral college,

00:19:28.700 they have this national voter compact where each vote, each state legislature votes,

00:19:34.380 that their electors will violate the constitutional mandated

00:19:39.260 duty to reflect the in-state popular vote, but they're going to reflect the national vote.

00:19:44.700 And the plan of the national voter compact is when you get 270 electoral votes, that is enough states

00:19:51.500 that have that number, then it won't matter that the electoral college in theory still exists. I think

00:19:57.900 we're only about 10 electors short. In other words, in this next election, if they get one or two more

00:20:05.260 states to vote and say Donald Trump wins those states, to take the example, but Joe Biden squeaks

00:20:13.820 by in the popular vote, those states would then vote for Joe Biden and they could elect him. And so

00:20:20.220 that's a pretty radical thing. The other thing they're trying to do is they look at the Senate

00:20:24.460 and they don't know what the founders and the Federalist Papers said about it. It was decided,

00:20:28.540 it was created to represent people as residents of particular states. And they wanted to empower

00:20:35.420 states and not just destroy them through the federal government. But you read all of these law articles

00:20:41.740 and you see a lot of people talking about, well, it's not fair. There are 750,000 people that vote

00:20:47.260 uniformly for each congressperson, 435. However, Californians have 20 million people per senator,

00:20:55.580 and Wyoming has 250,000. Therefore, we should make the Senate popularly elected. And then you

00:21:01.740 wouldn't have an upper or lower house or the Senate 30 years versus 25 years to be a senator.

00:21:07.660 We would never have formed a country. We would never have formed the United States of America if that

00:21:12.140 were the deal. No, it would just be a popular mass Athenian-like mobocracy. And that's what they

00:21:17.900 want. They really do. And so there's this type of progressive years since Trump won the electoral

00:21:25.820 college in 16, but not the popular vote, you know, especially more and more. The Democrats want to get

00:21:31.900 rid of the electoral college because they think they can run the numbers with large pockets of votes in

00:21:36.620 New York and California. And they will like, I'm sure a lot of Democrats don't vote in California

00:21:42.460 and New York because they know they got it locked up. You know, it's like, what's the point? I'm sure

00:21:46.060 a lot of Republicans don't either for that matter, because they know the other side has it locked up.

00:21:49.820 But if it were a national popular vote, you can bet they'd be getting every citizen in Los Angeles,

00:21:55.900 in Oakland and beyond to get to those polls. So they'd have a lot more power and they probably would vote.

00:22:01.020 This is one of the reasons why Republicans don't want it. But you hear it more and more and more

00:22:05.580 out of left wing think tanks. And now we'll see what happens in this election. But guarantee if

00:22:09.900 Trump wins again by winning the electoral college, but not the popular vote, there's going to be

00:22:14.300 another push. And so we're really having debates about the foundation of the country, which is one

00:22:21.100 of the reasons why I asked you, how does it end? And I do think the push to get rid of that would be

00:22:25.980 one of the key things for the reasons you're outlining in your book. These are the erosions that

00:22:31.820 happen in otherwise strong societies as they began to fall. And getting rid of the electoral

00:22:38.140 college is not what it's all about, but it's just saying that the things that it was formed to

00:22:41.180 protect are eroding at rapid pace right now. And that might be a final death knell. It's one of

00:22:46.780 the reasons why we have to pay attention. Some of these principles, again, outlined in Victor's

00:22:51.180 latest book, The End of Everything, how wars descend into annihilation. And right now,

00:22:56.940 Victor, domestically, we're not at war, actual war, but we certainly have profound and important

00:23:03.580 cultural, financial, military, rhetorical wars that we're fighting all the time.

00:23:10.300 Yeah. I mean, we've never, I don't think people realize we've never done this before. We have never

00:23:14.940 impeached a president twice. We have never tried a president as a private citizen in the Senate once he

00:23:22.300 left office. We have never had states try to remove the leading presidential candidate off the ballot.

00:23:30.700 We've never put the leading presidential candidate in an election year from one party and allowed local

00:23:38.700 and state prosecutors to go after them. And all of this predicated that the right wouldn't do the

00:23:45.020 same thing. In other words, you wouldn't have a Utah prosecutor who say, you know, somebody mailed in

00:23:51.580 illegal money to the Biden campaign in Salt Lake. Therefore, I'm going to indict the people in the

00:23:57.900 Biden campaign here in Salt Lake. Or, you know, once the Republicans got the House, they decided not to

00:24:06.300 impeach Biden in the way they had Trump. Or we haven't seen states take Biden off the ballot. But

00:24:15.020 there's a big discussion among conservatives is that if the left keeps changing the system

00:24:22.140 and trying to do things we've never seen before, and you keep telling them not to do that,

00:24:28.380 because it'll come around to them, at what point do you have to do something? And then if you have to

00:24:33.980 do something like in like manner, then are you just tick for tat eroding into third world, you know,

00:24:41.500 oblivion? And that's what I think that's a problem that Republicans have. They say to the to the

00:24:46.540 Democrats, stop talking about packing the court. Don't allow people to go to Supreme Court justices

00:24:53.180 homes and threaten them. Schumer, don't go to the Supreme Court and scream and yell. You know,

00:24:59.100 people on the right did criticize January 6. But they're saying don't take people off the ballot,

00:25:05.020 or we're going to have to do that. Or don't impeach presidents twice, or we're going to have to do that.

00:25:10.540 Don't try to get rid of the filibuster, because you're in the majority now. And maybe we should

00:25:15.740 try to get it. But would you like to lose it now that you're in the majority? And so would you want

00:25:21.900 a special counsel going after the Biden family as soon as he leaves office? Because the Hunter and

00:25:26.620 Jim, Frank Biden, they've all got criminal exposure, much more than Donald Trump. And do they really

00:25:32.460 want to create that system? And they all think, I guess they think, well, we're so morally superior and

00:25:38.620 intellectually keener than the right, Neanderthal right. We get the special exemption. That's who

00:25:46.540 we are. And they don't. They're clingers, or they're irredeemables, and they wouldn't dare do

00:25:52.300 what we're doing. And that's why they're so afraid, Megan. If you read lately, when they look at these

00:25:56.620 polls, there's all these articles now that come out about Donald Trump's going to be a dictator.

00:26:01.340 Dictator. They take, you know, his joke about being a dictator for a day. He's going to do this.

00:26:06.060 He's going to do that. Even though he's been there for four years and did nothing of it,

00:26:09.660 and did nothing of what they did, but they project on what they would do. They say to themselves,

00:26:14.780 well, we know what we did to Trump. And if they had done that to us, and we took power,

00:26:20.380 I know what I would do. And therefore, he must think like we do. So he's going to go back and get us the

00:26:26.940 way we would get him if they had done this to us and we had won the election.

00:26:31.100 That's what's happening right now. Meanwhile, if you look at our, you know,

00:26:36.540 foundational principles, we wanted a very small executive. We did not want another king.

00:26:43.820 That's why he's down there in Article 2. He's not up there in Article 1. And they've grown and grown

00:26:51.340 and grown the presidency. I mean, both sides have done this. I remember, you know,

00:26:55.340 the unitary executive theory under Bush. But these days, it's the Democrats were lecturing us about

00:27:02.460 about Trump wanting to be a dictator as Joe Biden takes out his magic wand and transfers

00:27:08.460 trillions of dollars in debt, as you point out, from the working class or, you know, the debt from

00:27:14.540 the rich to the working class without anybody's permission, takes out his magic wand, completely

00:27:20.140 revises Title IX, redefining what a woman is, young women's rights, due process rights for young men

00:27:28.860 at the point in life where their entire future could be determined. You get expelled from a college

00:27:34.840 for being an alleged rapist, but it turns out your alleged rape victim was just a woman who consented to

00:27:40.780 the interlude but had Sunday morning regrets. That's a life changer. That's not a year changer.

00:27:46.860 It's a life changer. And with his magic wand, he took away men's due process rights. So the executive

00:27:51.500 right now is growing and he's at very large levels of power. Joe Biden is with his pen and his phone

00:27:58.460 that he got from Barack Obama. And under those circumstances, you know, we need more checks and

00:28:04.460 balances than ever. We need the Senate to have robust powers like filibusters. We need the electoral

00:28:11.980 college. We need something to stop just the rampage of majority rule because it will lead to the breakup

00:28:19.260 of the union. Yeah. And we've got these 20,000 political point pointings. You know, the Heritage

00:28:26.060 Foundation is trying to think of how to vet 20,000 people that Trump, if he were to win, come in this

00:28:32.760 time, he wouldn't, he wouldn't be startled deer in the headlights, but they would have a whole team

00:28:37.340 with the sheer magnitude, 20,000 in the executive branch. And then you think about all the abuses

00:28:43.740 about the DOJ, Bruce Orr and the Steele dossier. He was a lifetime member. Then you think of the FBI

00:28:52.460 working with Twitter to censor the laptop disinformation. And then you think, wow, John,

00:28:58.620 John Brennan was the CIA director. He lied two times under oath. Nothing happened to him. Andrew McCabe

00:29:03.740 was the FBI director. He lied four times perjury. Nothing happened. James Clapper not only lied,

00:29:10.460 but he said, I gave the least untruthful answer I could think of. So it's almost like these people

00:29:16.860 are judge, jury, and executioner. When they want to go after you, the private citizen, they can cite you

00:29:23.980 or fine you or say you've violated a law. And internally, administratively, they can refuse your appeal.

00:29:31.020 Then they can level the fine. And your only recourse is to go to court where they have a million times

00:29:36.940 more resources than you do. That was never intended to create these bureaus, like the EPA, for example.

00:29:43.420 We have people out here in this farming area, Megan, that there's an Inland Water Act that people

00:29:51.500 passed in the legislature, the state, the Senate and the House years ago to make sure that canals and

00:29:57.500 rivers were clean and that there wasn't runoff. But now the EPA thinks, wow, we could extend that

00:30:03.980 theoretically to a low spot on a guy's farm. So when it rained and it drained off for about three

00:30:10.700 or four days before it dried up, we could run out there and test it, see if there's too much nitrogen

00:30:14.940 and then fine it. And they're doing that all the time. It's like the raisin administrative committee.

00:30:20.860 Uh, there's a rate. I know you won't believe this, but it's a former raisin grower.

00:30:26.060 You don't own your raisins. The government does. So if you pick your raisins, your grapes,

00:30:31.580 you put them on the ground, you dry them and you say, you know what? I don't like the price.

00:30:35.900 I'm going to stack them up in my barnyard and I'm going to have them washed and stemmed on my own

00:30:41.100 little machine. You don't, you can't, they will find you and put you in jail because the government

00:30:46.380 comes in and says, we, we own those and we're going to determine how many can go on the market

00:30:50.860 and how many either have to be fed to cattle or sold overseas to keep the price high.

00:30:56.460 And that was never intended. And all of that stuff is, we're seeing it in the left now because

00:31:03.500 that, you know, the press is a watchdog for the right and the press would never allow the right to

00:31:09.180 do that, but there is no press for the left. And so they're, you know, they're hand in glove with

00:31:16.780 the left and they empower the left because the people who are doing this think, you know what?

00:31:21.420 The Atlantic magazine, the Washington post or NPR, they're always going to be receptive for a phone

00:31:26.860 call or to contextualize what we do. So I don't really have to worry. I'm going to get caught.

00:31:32.540 And it's so interesting. This is, I feel like what's great about all of your books and this one

00:31:38.540 too. Again, it's called the end of everything, how wars descend into annihilation by Victor Davis

00:31:43.420 Hanson is they take, I feel like on this show, we take large news stories and we try to condense

00:31:50.380 them into small digestible bits that people can manage and their day-to-day news consumption. And

00:31:56.140 you do a great job of the opposite, taking what we're seeing in the country and expanding it beyond,

00:32:02.700 like, where does it, what does it mean? Where's it going next? What's the historical context

00:32:07.500 for what we're seeing, which is an important piece of understanding the stakes of these

00:32:13.340 everyday news items that we kick around. I mean, you mentioned the Trump indictments and the four

00:32:19.420 criminal trials against him. And I kicked off the show with the threat by this judge that he could

00:32:25.100 put the former president of the United States in jail any day now. And he says, if Trump violates his

00:32:32.540 clearly unconstitutional gag order, I mean, I just think the gag order is, it's not going to

00:32:37.900 withstand judicial scrutiny. But if Trump violates it again, he's going to put, if you believe the

00:32:44.620 polls, the likely next president, and even this judge acknowledged you might be the next president,

00:32:49.260 into jail. And there Trump will sit, Victor, day after day, however long the judge says he has to sit

00:32:56.140 there, not going to his trial, not campaigning as a jailbird. Now he's, I guess, I don't know what

00:33:03.740 you call him, jailbird, as he's facing possible prison time for these other cases, this case.

00:33:09.260 And I don't know why he didn't, why didn't he put a gag order on Michael Cohen going,

00:33:14.220 you know, on TikTok trying to raise money and commenting on, he just threatens.

00:33:19.020 He says, if Michael Cohen keeps talking, I might have to expand the gag order. I might have to.

00:33:23.660 You might have to. How about John, Joe Biden said at the White House dinner, he's got, he laughed

00:33:30.700 and said, stormy weather. That was the president of the United States editorializing on an ongoing

00:33:35.340 criminal case. And so, you know, that's a hard call for Donald Trump, what to do. If you just keep

00:33:43.500 talking and protect your First Amendment rights, and then you're gagged and put in jail. And what's

00:33:49.900 the shelf life on that? I think immediate at the first response would be immediate sympathy.

00:33:56.380 And that would show up in the polls, how outrageous it was. But I think the left thinks, well, you,

00:34:02.380 you get your little bit of sensationalism, but we're playing the long game. And we're going to do this,

00:34:06.940 you know, all of May, all of June, all of July, all of August, we're going to bankrupt him,

00:34:11.980 we're going to keep him off the campaign trail, he's going to get busted, he's going to say crazier and

00:34:16.620 crazier things. And you're going to finally say, make it all go away. I don't want to vote for

00:34:22.060 somebody in jail. That's just not going to reflect. I don't care how it happened. I know it's unfair.

00:34:27.100 But it's going on too long. That's their theory. And they may be right about it.

00:34:34.140 We'll see a minute on the Trump trial, because we have been watching it. And we've been consuming

00:34:39.100 the media coverage around it, because that's part of our job here. I have got to show you this bit.

00:34:43.980 I apologize for showing you this bit, Victor, but I must. So this is Lawrence O'Donnell,

00:34:52.060 who hosts a primetime show on MSNBC, who apparently attended the Trump trial last Wednesday and Thursday

00:34:58.140 or Thursday and Friday, whatever, and was absolutely gleeful about the fact that Trump

00:35:07.180 Trump looked at him, that Trump made eye contact with him on day one. So this was his Thursday

00:35:14.380 evening monologue in part. And just, just consume it. Take a listen. It's out 12.

00:35:21.500 Well, at 4.26 PM today, Maggie Haberman posted this to the New York Times live update of the

00:35:29.580 Trump trial. Trump left the courtroom squinting strangely at Lawrence O'Donnell, the MSNBC host,

00:35:36.460 as he did. And visually, there was just nothing between Donald Trump and me. And I have my

00:35:42.780 interpretation of what Donald Trump's face and eyes were trying to say to me and what drove him to

00:35:50.780 create a final moment in the courtroom today that was worthy of New York Times reporting.

00:35:56.860 Oris Epstein was sitting right in front of me and knew I was there. He should have told Donald Trump,

00:36:04.140 when you walk by O'Donnell, don't give him the satisfaction of making a moment about him. But

00:36:10.860 defendants like Donald Trump always make mistakes in courtrooms. And mistakes are what has landed

00:36:19.580 Donald Trump in criminal courtrooms. Just stand by. Here's part two. Okay. The next day,

00:36:28.780 he returned to court. And here's part of the monologue from Friday night.

00:36:31.980 I guess because Donald Trump does apparently whatever I tell him to do. He did not glare at

00:36:41.100 me again. I said right here on the program last night that it was a mistake for him to do that.

00:36:47.740 He shouldn't have done that in such a goofy and public way that Maggie Haberman at the New York

00:36:53.900 Times felt compelled to report it right away. No one in the courtroom had seen Donald Trump do

00:37:00.300 anything like that. And today, even though I was sitting in an even more prominent position,

00:37:07.020 he did everything he could possibly do to not look at me within his peripheral vision. Because

00:37:15.180 whenever his peripheral vision got close, he immediately twisted it away in the other direction.

00:37:19.980 He just wasn't going to give me that gift again. He made such an effort yesterday to look at me

00:37:29.100 that today's effort, not looking at me, was just as obvious. I don't think he was afraid.

00:37:34.860 I think he just got good advice right here at 10 p.m. last night.

00:37:41.180 My God, Victor, the hubris, the hubris that Donald Trump is sitting there thinking

00:37:49.260 for 10 seconds or two about Lawrence O'Donnell.

00:37:52.860 Donald Trump is looking around, and if he did notice him, he said, who in the hell is that guy?

00:37:59.340 I have no idea who he is. And he knows that. I mean, he has a very small audience. Nobody knows

00:38:06.300 who he is. And yet he tries to quantify the precise time at this time, at 10 o'clock,

00:38:12.460 as if he's, and then when he quotes the New York Times, a reporter, everybody knows what the record

00:38:19.580 of the New York Times has been, especially in relation to Donald Trump. They were the ones that

00:38:23.980 told us that the Steele dossier was Russian collusion, that the laptop was Russian disinformation.

00:38:30.140 They told us about the bank ping. They're notorious for lying on any context that has to

00:38:36.220 do with Donald Trump. They despise him, and they want Joe Biden to be elected. So Donald Trump doesn't,

00:38:41.260 he doesn't even know who the guy is. And yet it's, it's really, you know, Nicole Wallace was kind

00:38:45.900 of the same way. She said, if Trump is elected, people like me won't be on the air. No, they don't

00:38:51.900 care about you. You people are, they're such narcissists. They think they're so important

00:38:57.580 because they're actually left-wing and on television. Who cares? Nobody cares. And I don't think

00:39:02.860 Donald Trump, if his life depended on it, he wouldn't know who he was. He would not know who Lawrence

00:39:09.500 O'Donnell in the New York Times. They wrote about me, me. He, for the listening audience,

00:39:17.180 he spotlighted his own face in the Trump courthouse audience with hell behind Donald Trump. Like I was

00:39:23.820 there. He, I swear he was looking at me. I matter. This is what's so pathetic about the modern day

00:39:30.460 press corps. That's to a T they make it all about themselves. And then another clip in that same

00:39:37.980 monologue, one of those nights, he said that he's sure Donald Trump is watching the Lawrence

00:39:43.660 O'Donnell show. He's been known to watch it and then he's watching. Okay. That's not happening.

00:39:49.180 No, no, no one's watching that show. No, no, maybe Maggie Haberman of the New York

00:39:54.300 Times. So then substantively what happened last week was hope hits Hicks took the stand long time,

00:40:00.780 campaign PR person and representative of Donald Trump when he was running and when he was in the White

00:40:05.900 House. And she gave testimony. She was, you know, compelled to give testimony by the prosecution.

00:40:13.180 And she said that, uh, she does think she does recall Trump acknowledging that Cohen had made this

00:40:20.860 hush money payment to Stormy Daniels. So that's something that the prosecution is trying to prove

00:40:26.460 that Trump knew about it. My own take is it doesn't matter, but the defense is, I guess, going to argue

00:40:30.960 you this. Um, but then she also said, she thinks the reason, uh, that Trump was worried about these

00:40:37.800 women coming forward was yeah, the campaign a little, but much more so Melania. He cares very

00:40:43.120 much what Melania thinks. This is the defense is going to say, see, the payments had a dual purpose

00:40:48.520 and therefore they weren't a campaign expenditure. The real argument should be, it doesn't matter what

00:40:52.460 was in Trump's head. The only thing that matters is what the nature of the payment is, is the nature of

00:40:56.360 the payment such that it can only ever be a campaign expense, like a polling fee, or is the nature of

00:41:01.140 the payment, something that could possibly be something other than a campaign expenditure.

00:41:06.480 And this particular payment falls into category two, which means it's not a campaign finance

00:41:09.700 violation. Anyway, they're, they're proceeding with this myth that we have to get into the purpose

00:41:14.440 and Donald Trump's motivation. Both sides are proceeding with it because of the judge's rulings

00:41:17.980 and hope Hicks talked about how he was worried about Melania. Well, the left-wing freak out over the

00:41:23.920 fact that when hope Hicks ended her campaign or her direct exam with the prosecution and the defense

00:41:29.360 lawyer stood up and started asking her some biographical background, like how long did you

00:41:34.000 work for the Trump organization? She cried. She broke down for a moment in tears and they took a short

00:41:40.340 break. Now, I don't know why hope Hicks cried, but I imagine it's very stressful to get up there and

00:41:45.400 testify against your former boss, the president of the United States. And you don't want to be there.

00:41:50.020 You've been forced by a prosecutor. You probably believe is unfair and you don't want to be in the

00:41:55.940 spotlight like this. She's, she never gives interviews. She doesn't go on TV. This is not somebody who wants

00:42:00.680 the spotlight. I'm sure it was stressful, whatever. Here's some of the armchair analysis we got. Take a

00:42:07.120 listen to earlier on MSNBC, Ari Melber and his take. And she said she was nervous today from the stand. She

00:42:15.980 answered the questions, confirming she's under subpoena. She's paying for her own lawyer. And in a moment

00:42:20.820 that does matter for a jury, this is still a human exercise. Hope Hicks broke down crying on the stand

00:42:28.500 at one point. It was apparently best we can tell. And from the reporters in the room and the wider

00:42:32.960 context, we have a genuine display of emotion for her as she felt the weight of this moment, the raw

00:42:40.000 pressure of testifying about her longtime boss. And maybe the details were tough for her to share in

00:42:45.880 this manner. Now she goes on, he goes on from there to discuss on his show about how, you know, bringing

00:42:54.800 up that time of like when she was working for Trump, it was just so emotional for her, you know,

00:43:00.860 like, Oh, I bet the better days, the good old day. Like how the hell does anybody know they tried to

00:43:07.520 do that? Andrew Weissman was up there. It was the exclamation point. It was the icing on the cake,

00:43:12.700 her raw emotion. It was like, okay, calm down. Testifying is a stressful situation. Everyone

00:43:19.880 wanted to use it for their own purposes against her. And the final comment on Lawrence O'Donnell's

00:43:25.140 show, which I watched. So you don't have to was, I don't care why she cried. I don't care. What did

00:43:31.180 she cry on January 6th? Did she cry for the immigrants and the families who were separated for by

00:43:37.300 Donald Trump during his administration? I don't care why she cried if she didn't cry for them.

00:43:43.980 Yeah, she, she might, she could have just as easily cried in the fact that she liked Donald

00:43:49.700 Trump and she was subpoenaed to testify by an attorney who was going to try to warp and change

00:43:56.600 and extract any type of meaning that would be unfavorable to Donald Trump. And she knew she was

00:44:02.700 in that position where she had to testify and she was trying to tell the truth and she saw the truth

00:44:08.040 and she understood that everything she said would be used against someone whom she didn't feel had

00:44:13.780 done anything wrong and she didn't want to come forward because he hadn't done anything wrong. That's

00:44:19.060 kind of a stressful situation. But, uh, you know, this, this, this, we get back to the equal

00:44:26.880 application of law. Hillary Clinton hired the DNC to pay the Perkins Coie law firm to pay Fusin GPS,

00:44:36.920 to pay Christopher Steele, who was a British subject, a foreign national who was forbidden by statute to,

00:44:43.740 to work for a presidential campaign to collect a false dossier and seat it. And then she wrote that

00:44:50.500 whole thing off, not as a campaign expense, but as a legal expense. And the federal, uh, commission

00:44:57.920 overseeing elections find her over a hundred thousand dollars, but they could have easily said

00:45:03.200 it was a criminal statute like Alvin Bragg. But, uh, if Donald Trump had said that he said that it was a

00:45:09.720 campaign, they're arguing it. He said it was a legal expense when he should have said it was a

00:45:14.400 campaign. If he had said it was a campaign, they would have prosecuted him and said, no, it wasn't.

00:45:18.800 It was a legal expense to crush. It was just, they know what they're doing. And, you know,

00:45:24.820 this thing is like the E. Jean Carroll case. They passed a special bill in the legislature to waive

00:45:30.420 the statute of limitations. So she had one year to file. Otherwise it was way past the statute of

00:45:36.560 limitation. They, this thing, they had to gen up these misdemeanors to a felony federal offense

00:45:43.400 with the federal attorneys didn't think was worth pursuing because it wasn't really a federal offense.

00:45:48.380 And therefore they got around the statute of limitations. And then even that wasn't enough

00:45:52.440 by energizing it into a felony. They had to call on COVID and say, well, COVID gives an extra year.

00:45:59.340 So all of these things that would never have been leveled, not just against the Democrat,

00:46:04.400 they would have never been leveled against Donald Trump. He would have never been indicted. If he

00:46:08.100 just said, I'm tired, I'm not going to run again. They would, they wouldn't have indicted him.

00:46:12.860 They know that it's all about politics. Yeah, it is. And they know it.

00:46:17.660 And then you listen to, I mean, again, back to Lawrence O'Donnell, his biggest complaint

00:46:21.740 against Hope Hicks again, was that she didn't quit earlier. But she goes, he goes on to point out,

00:46:27.140 she didn't need either of these jobs. She was born rich in Connecticut. She could have tried to do

00:46:31.880 something more worthy with her life. And he says, we have a monster in the presidency,

00:46:37.080 not because of Donald Trump, but because of people who voted for Donald Trump. And so who

00:46:43.160 worked for his campaign? What is Lawrence O'Donnell saying then that when all of the Republicans for

00:46:50.620 the last 50 years have tried to get Hispanics and black voters and poor white voters and John McCain

00:46:59.220 couldn't do it? Bob Dole couldn't do it. George H.W. Bush couldn't do it. George W. did a little bit,

00:47:06.960 but couldn't really do it. John McCain couldn't do it. Mitt Romney couldn't. So this supposedly

00:47:12.740 monstrous person says, we, we, us, us, our farmers, our, I love Latinos. I want to help people. I'm

00:47:20.560 going to prevent Chinese. Whatever you think of him, he created a nationalist populist movement

00:47:25.900 within this so-called caricatured aristocratic party. And he's got, he's taken the entire white

00:47:32.700 working class away from the Democrats. They don't have any of them. And he's now appealing to about

00:47:39.120 20% of the black constituency, African Americans, and he may be almost even with Latinos. So how is

00:47:46.620 that possible in the mind of Lawrence O'Donnell? How could that be if he's appealing to poor people

00:47:52.220 and middle-class people? While Lawrence O'Donnell's party, if you look at who votes Democratic,

00:47:57.720 they're two constituencies. They're people in the higher zip codes and the donor classes,

00:48:02.680 the billionaire class of the Democrats. And they're the very subsidized poor. But the middle classes are

00:48:08.560 going for a guy that he thinks is a monster, but he won't tell us why they're voting for this minister.

00:48:14.220 And he knows why. Because he's an elitist. And he's alienated people with these elite issues,

00:48:19.340 like an open border and transgenderism and banning gasoline, all of that crazy stuff.

00:48:26.080 Well beyond Afghanistan and the locks of deterrence and the inflation and printing money at trillion

00:48:32.680 dollars every three months. So he knows that. He wants us to believe he's horrified by the fact

00:48:38.340 that she was, quote, born rich, even though I'm sure he's got kids. They were born rich. He's rich.

00:48:44.040 His party is no longer the party of the working class at all. They are the party of the rich. And yet,

00:48:48.840 he wants to save a little special disdain for Hope Hicks because she was born rich and worked for

00:48:53.640 a monster. Standby. He's got a quick break. Check out his book while we go to break to the end of

00:49:00.880 everything. Ahead, Kristi Noem, Fannie Willis back in the news and college craziness.

00:49:05.820 As we're on the topic of Trump trials, guess who spoke out this weekend for the first time?

00:49:16.620 Nathan Wade. In an interesting move, because he had apparently agreed to sit down with Kristen

00:49:21.460 Welker of NBC. He bailed on her and embarrassed NBC and showed up a couple of six weeks later on ABC,

00:49:33.480 where he sat and was asked precisely zero difficult questions. I mean, zero.

00:49:43.080 I will give you one exchange that I thought was of particular note to me in particular.

00:49:49.880 Here it is, Deb. Run that soundbite we just talked about.

00:49:52.780 So you didn't realize when you took the case, your life was really going to be under a microscope?

00:49:56.740 I did not realize that my life would be in danger. The microscope, I don't have a problem with.

00:50:05.080 The truth is, you know, if the worst that you could find was the fact that I had a relationship

00:50:13.540 with someone or that I happened to be going through a divorce, that's okay. That's okay.

00:50:21.940 I have nothing to hide. Now, a responsible journalist would follow up with, well, that

00:50:29.300 wasn't the worst that we found. What we actually found was that you perjured yourself, both in your

00:50:33.820 divorce case and in this case, where the judge found you told a story that smacked with the odor

00:50:40.080 of mendacity, where he was obviously deeply distressed at your ethical choices. And by the way,

00:50:46.320 why did you do that? Why did you say under oath in your divorce proceedings that you were not having

00:50:51.860 an extramarital affair when you clearly were? What was that not an inappropriate ethical lapse?

00:50:58.480 Why did you testify in your affidavit that she always paid cash for everything when that seems

00:51:02.840 to be patently untrue? Why, sir, did you go over to her house from 12 a.m. to 4 a.m. and then try to

00:51:10.460 tell the court that it was because there was a Porsche dealership nearby? Those are some things that you

00:51:15.040 might feel some shame about, not just your extramarital affair, which you claim began while

00:51:20.640 you were separated, but you were still with your wife when it was underway. So those are some of the

00:51:25.900 things an interested reporter, you know, somebody who's open-minded to actual facts, Victor might

00:51:30.980 have asked of Nathan Wade didn't happen. Yeah, I would have asked him what in your background made

00:51:38.680 you qualify to prosecute the most important case probably in the United States at the time

00:51:43.900 when you've never tried a felony or criminal case in your life. What recommended you to Fannie

00:51:49.500 Willis? It wasn't your judicial experience. And what did you talk to when you went to the White

00:51:55.800 House? And why did you bill the Georgia District Attorney's Office for 24 straight hours of legal

00:52:04.000 service? And I think you billed them, and correct me, you should ask them if that's wrong, that you

00:52:09.160 billed the time you were in the White House, soliciting apparently counsel from the White

00:52:14.500 House counsel's office. So there, you know, it's, uh, that whole, I don't think, I think that one,

00:52:21.800 that particular gambit won't work. I think it's too, it's too far gone now, tainted. And at some

00:52:28.880 point they're going to have to shut it down because of both of them and that record. And maybe if it

00:52:34.280 never had to change it, he disagrees entirely. She did. She asked him about criticism from the left,

00:52:39.760 of course, like the Washington Post, that, that this was reckless, that they imperiled

00:52:44.760 a very important case. And that's why the left is mad at Nathan Wade. Here's what he

00:52:48.800 said at SOT 20. Do you think that you've done any kind of damage to this case?

00:52:55.580 None at all. Even the public perception of it? There again, this, this takes me back to

00:53:01.460 the initial statement that I made. My private life became the focal point of the case. My private

00:53:08.760 life has nothing to do with the merits of that prosecution. Quick follow-up, SOT 19, take a listen.

00:53:16.920 Workplace romances are as American as apple pie. It happens to everyone.

00:53:22.200 Apple pie.

00:53:23.000 But it happened to the two of us.

00:53:25.440 Do you regret that thing?

00:53:26.580 Um, I regret that that private matter became the focal point, um, of this very important

00:53:42.180 prosecution. This is a very important case. Um, I hate that my personal life has begun to overshadow

00:53:55.040 the true issues in the case.

00:54:00.840 It's unbelievable how, like, just why this became an issue is not because you happened to find love

00:54:06.760 while prosecuting Trump. It's the fact that you were hired by your boss. Fannie Willis is the person

00:54:13.840 who was in charge ultimately of bringing you in of your paychecks, which she just rubber stamped

00:54:18.980 when she was in the office. She paid you more than she paid the other two special prosecutors who

00:54:22.820 were brought in, despite, as Victor points out, you not having the same qualifications to try a

00:54:27.980 massive RICO case against a former president of the United States. And then you took her all over

00:54:33.580 the world on the taxpayer's dollar, thus creating an incentive for the two of you to keep the case

00:54:39.720 going, to indict the case, because the romance was happening before the indictment came down,

00:54:43.380 and then to keep the case going. None of which was pressed in the interview by someone who was

00:54:49.680 supposed to be a member of the press corps. Yeah. And I mean, the basic question is he knows that when

00:54:57.020 he says it was all about his personal life is that in any courtroom, if a member of the prosecuting

00:55:03.400 attorney's legal staff lies under oath, pertinent to the case, and he did when he denied that relationship,

00:55:11.520 then how can they, with any credibility, press a case and have the defendant expect to be telling

00:55:20.500 the truth and put the defendant on her oath when their own staff is lying on her oath? So the case

00:55:26.680 should have been dismissed. And I think no other county that was removed would ever try him, and they

00:55:32.920 know that. So I think all of these, all of these things, I think the left knows that they're all going to

00:55:40.780 eventually be thrown out on appeal, maybe at the federal level, or maybe at the Supreme Court,

00:55:46.040 but they don't care, because they feel they're doing damage right now. And all they want is Trump

00:55:51.900 tied up, money going out of his campaign, his pocket, getting him angry psychologically, physically,

00:55:58.820 wearing him down. And then if we learn after the election that they were all fraudulent and just a

00:56:04.700 joke, they'll think that's, you know, it's, it's kind of like Harry Reid, when he lied about

00:56:09.960 Mitt Romney's, uh, not paying his taxes and said, it worked, didn't it? When, uh, and that's how,

00:56:15.820 that's the attitude. To me, Victor, it's, it's infuriating because to watch a member of the press

00:56:22.300 completely fall down on the job and not ask any difficult questions of the guy, it makes my skin

00:56:26.900 crawl. She should have gone in there with his interrogatory and she would, she should have said

00:56:33.060 you lied under oath. This is a sworn document. You're an officer of the court. You lied when asked

00:56:38.760 for any receipts or any documents whatsoever that might show any travel with a woman other than your

00:56:44.540 wife during a set period of dates. Didn't, didn't have to be while you were happily married. It was

00:56:50.880 any time prior to the divorce that would have included periods of separation. In fact, they were

00:56:56.420 specific on that because his excuse on the, on the stand was, well, we were separated that it

00:57:01.280 included specifically while you were separated, you were required to say what you had done during

00:57:06.760 that period too, with a woman other than your wife, you lied. And you said there were none that no,

00:57:11.980 no expenses had been paid, that no trips had been taken, that there was no time between you and a

00:57:17.080 woman, not your wife. That's what you said under oath. And only when that became an issue in the

00:57:21.720 second proceeding that you have against Trump, did you go back to your sworn interrogatory

00:57:26.260 answers and change your answer to amend your answer to assert the fifth amendment privilege,

00:57:33.520 which is against self-incrimination. But when asked about it on the stand, you tried to say,

00:57:38.760 oh, that's not the privilege I was trying to raise. I was trying to raise a privacy privilege,

00:57:44.120 which is made up, sir. Why did you do that? Didn't you violate your duty of candor to the court

00:57:51.420 and to your constituency? It's not that hard. Use your brain, do some research. I just wrote it

00:57:58.300 for you. If anybody else gets a shot at Nathan Wade, do it. If you have any suffering, it's so

00:58:02.640 infuriating. This is why we never make progress. People like this get away with it.

00:58:07.260 No. Why didn't the judge though throw it out? Everybody said he was sober and judicious and he

00:58:11.700 was a model of, it was spineless. And the same thing with Jean Carroll. She said that she couldn't

00:58:17.440 remember if it was 94, 95, or 96, but she did remember it happened because she had a designer

00:58:22.820 dress, which we now know didn't exist at the time of her accusation. So all the judges in all of these

00:58:29.500 cases, it's really, my mother was a, she was the second female appellate court judge in California.

00:58:36.960 And the first, almost the first, at the same time, two women were appointed

00:58:41.260 Fresno County Superior Court. And so I grew up, you know, she had judges, she had them socially over

00:58:49.660 and we had an enormous respect for judges. And I've lost that respect watching this, uh, this circus now

00:58:56.540 because all of these judges, uh, the judge in the Carroll case, the judge in the Latita James case,

00:59:03.280 Ingeron hamming it up to the cameras, this judge, um, it, they're all political and, uh, it's not even

00:59:12.560 a trial. It's a circus. And I think, you know, I wish Donald Trump would find a strategy that he could

00:59:20.720 show that it's a circus without tweeting and getting himself in jail, but I'm not sure he can.

00:59:27.120 I don't know what else you're supposed to do except sit there and watch the circus proceed. It's,

00:59:33.920 and you can't do that if you're running for president.

00:59:36.000 Well, something interesting is happening to not a Donald Trump prosecutor, but one of these

00:59:42.560 woke left wing prosecutors who's tried to make her mission in office more about letting people out of

00:59:48.000 jail and putting cops into it than finding actual bad guys. And that's Marilyn Mosby. She was the

00:59:55.760 prosecutor in Baltimore during the whole Freddie gray situation who for the listening audience,

01:00:01.920 if you're not aware, this is, um, a black man who was killed in his so-called allegedly rough ride

01:00:07.040 by cops who, um, they claimed cops intentionally killed the guy by giving him a rough ride in the

01:00:13.360 back of one of those police vans where he got knocked around and broke his spine and died. And

01:00:17.760 the cops were all acquitted or had hung juries, all of them. And she was the woman behind the

01:00:24.800 prosecution. She was the one stirring up anger. She allowed the cops to get pelted with bottles

01:00:31.680 and rocks while they were trying to keep the streets of Baltimore safe. She fanned the fires

01:00:36.160 of rage and outrage in the wake of Freddie Gray's death, as opposed to just calming things down and

01:00:41.680 saying, let's wait, let's tell all the facts play out, which did not back the story that the cops did

01:00:46.720 anything wrong. Instead, she tried to be like one of these college professors on the Columbia campus,

01:00:52.720 Victor and make herself part of the drama. I too hate the cops. I too think this is my moment.

01:00:59.280 And we have a little bit of that from back in the day. I think it was 15 when the Freddie Gray

01:01:03.520 situation happened in Baltimore. Here's the throwback to the past.

01:01:06.720 To the youth of this city, I will seek justice on your behalf. This is a moment. This is your moment.

01:01:15.600 And as young people, our time is now.

01:01:20.880 Yeah, 2015. This is this is our moment. And our time is now. Well, you know what happened to Marilyn

01:01:27.680 Mosby? She got convicted, not once, but twice. Two guilty verdicts in two separate trials,

01:01:36.400 two counts of perjury, and a single count of mortgage fraud. Why? Because during COVID,

01:01:41.360 she decided it might might be a really nice time to get a property in Florida. And she lied,

01:01:47.760 says the court and the jury, uh, to say that she had suffered an adverse financial consequence

01:01:53.200 during the COVID pandemic shutdown, which allowed her to withdraw $90,000 from her retirement account,

01:01:58.740 thanks to a provision in the coronavirus aid relief and economic security act or the cares act.

01:02:04.680 And it was like, it wasn't true. She was making bank back then. She was having no financial

01:02:10.280 problems as a result of COVID. She had gotten her full, her full salary, which was $248,000 a year.

01:02:19.560 She was doing just fine. She just wanted property in Florida. And she bought not one, but two vacation

01:02:24.520 homes there at the time. Uh, one withdrawal was for 40 grand. The other was for 50 grand. And she got her

01:02:29.240 two vacation phones, uh, homes. We're not allowed to do that. That's illegal. So she got tried and then

01:02:35.640 she got tried for perjury and she was convicted. Well, guess what? This is the PS de resistance in

01:02:43.640 the story. Now there's an online petition to pardon her asking Biden to pardon. And guess who's behind it?

01:02:52.280 Andrew Gillum, the disgraced guy who ran for governor against Ron DeSantis, um, Tiffany cross the fired.

01:03:03.320 She was too racist. Even for MSNBC, the fired racist MSNBC ex host and Angela Rye, who is from CNN and has

01:03:13.220 made her podcast with these other two all about race and how bad America is. And they're not the only

01:03:19.720 one's pushing for a pardon. Ms. Mosby went on joy reads show playing the victim and saying,

01:03:28.600 Victor, if they can do this to Marilyn Mosby, he can do this to anyone. Take a listen.

01:03:35.080 I've done absolutely nothing wrong, nothing illegal, nothing criminal. I know there's a petition asking

01:03:41.160 president Biden to pardon you. Is that what you want? I mean, I think that that's appropriate. I mean,

01:03:45.480 I think I don't believe that I know that I've done absolutely nothing wrong, nothing criminal.

01:03:50.760 I want this justice system that I fought so hard to equalize and to balance the skills of justice,

01:03:56.360 where the business model is based off the backs of black and brown people for the people that I

01:04:01.320 fought for to understand and recognize that I need them to fight for me. They can do this to Marilyn

01:04:06.120 Mosby, who had the audacity to challenge a status quo. They can do this to anybody.

01:04:10.280 Ah, I'll give you one little additional detail and then I'll give you the floor.

01:04:14.840 The highlights from the petition to get her a pardon from those three

01:04:18.680 on their podcast and getting all sorts of signatures now in support of a pardon for her.

01:04:23.560 They allege that she should be pardoned because this Department of Justice is trying to make an

01:04:29.480 example of Marilyn Mosby because, quote, we all know the system wants to send a clear message to

01:04:35.480 young lawyers and progressive prosecutors like Aramis Ayala, Kim Fox, Kim Gardner and countless

01:04:41.640 others that there are consequences for attempting to balance the scales of justice. So Biden's DOJ under

01:04:50.440 this theory is trying to target the Marilyn Mosby's and Kim Fox's of the world because they're trying

01:05:00.200 to balance the scales of justice. Got it?

01:05:05.160 Yeah, I think I do. I think we're not supposed to talk about race, but all of these people,

01:05:12.120 as Fannie Willis did to a church, they talk about race nonstop and it's all predicated.

01:05:19.000 And remember that Jussie Smollett or that Kim Fox in Chicago.

01:05:23.320 That was Kim Fox and she let it go.

01:05:25.000 Yeah. Yeah. And so there is a record that all of these prosecutors, LeTita James campaigned on

01:05:34.280 getting Donald Trump. So did Fannie Willis. So did Alvin Bragg. So and then they when they get into

01:05:40.040 trouble, they either campaign about race or they go to a black church and then everybody's supposed to

01:05:47.560 say we're not going to mention race. But since they bring it up, there's something wrong.

01:05:53.880 What's wrong with a particular profile of young black women who are prosecutors who are injecting

01:06:03.720 race, race and Jussie Smollett, Kim Fox was communicating with the staff of Michelle Obama,

01:06:09.480 as I remember, and they're prejudicing their cases in a racial fashion. And it brings up a larger

01:06:16.360 question. It's not all about race because we have George Gascon in Los Angeles. We had Chasey Boudin in

01:06:23.880 San Francisco. There's a lot of white Latino prosecutors. But it really brings up the question of

01:06:30.040 what these law schools are doing. They're training people in critical race theory, critical legal theory.

01:06:35.320 This Jacobin ideology that the law is fluid. And then if you are left wing or you're progressive

01:06:43.000 or you're DEI, then you deserve exemptions. And any time, you know, in history or any culture,

01:06:49.160 when you take a particular group, tribal group defined by their religion or their ethnic background

01:06:56.120 or their race or their gender, and you say to them, you're protected because of whatever reason,

01:07:03.560 past history or recompense that we need to pay you back or reparatory action, whatever the reason is,

01:07:12.520 then there's no deterrence. And so all of these prosecutors find themselves

01:07:17.560 in legal problems or ethical problems. And the subtext is they all believe that no one is going

01:07:27.160 to hold them accountable because they will go play the race card. And, you know, it's I'm not saying

01:07:33.400 that a white conservative prosecutor is any more intelligent, any more moral, any more ethical,

01:07:39.960 but there's less likelihood that they will find that they're exempt. In other words, they know

01:07:46.040 that if they do something wrong, they will be held more accountable. And it's so ironic because what

01:07:53.960 we're watching is the flip side of the Jim Crow South, where in the 1930s and 40s and 50, if you were

01:08:00.520 a white prosecutor and you were dealing with any matter in your jurisdiction, especially with African

01:08:07.240 Americans, you could do almost anything and get an exemption, especially if you misuse the court or you

01:08:13.320 lied if there was if it was a matter of race. And here we are now had just completely gone 360 and

01:08:19.640 are using the same paradigm, but mirror imaging. And we're telling these African American prosecutors

01:08:27.000 that we're not going to hold you accountable for ethical behavior. And you can play the race card

01:08:32.680 whenever you're an extremist and we don't dare mention it. And, you know, that's what empowers them.

01:08:40.760 They feel as she did. She didn't mention, she didn't say once on that interview,

01:08:46.120 Joy, here's the, here's the case. Here's the two condos I bought. Here was the money I got. Here's

01:08:52.440 where I got the money. And here's where I was losing money. So I was eligible for this government

01:08:58.440 benefit. Just like Nathan Wade said, this is the charge against me. I perjured myself, but I want to

01:09:05.080 explain to you why I didn't torture myself. And here's the evidence. They never do that. They never

01:09:10.680 do that. And I would not give anything to sit across from Nathan Wade and say, can I see your

01:09:16.520 texts with Fannie Willis from 2021? Can you show me your phone right now? Like you weren't expecting

01:09:21.240 this. Would you mind pulling them up right now? Let's go to 2021. Let's see. Let's see whether there

01:09:25.800 were any loving texts. Just, you know, show it to me if there was nothing. Of course, he never would.

01:09:30.920 And no, no interviewer would ever do such a thing. It's just so infuriating. And God only,

01:09:35.080 I mean, I just don't see if Biden pardons this woman there, there's just no way he can do that.

01:09:40.360 I think he might well, because I think he's feeling red handed.

01:09:45.640 I know, but he's losing. He, because he has lost so many of these constituencies,

01:09:51.640 the white democratic lunch bucket, old middle-class working class, it's a such a degree. And he's

01:09:59.160 bleeding with both Asians and Latinos. He's, he is, he's going to have to do something with

01:10:04.760 the black community. And look what he's done already. To the Ukrainians, he said, do not attack

01:10:10.440 Russian oil refineries, you know, because we want the price of gas to be low during the election.

01:10:17.720 To students, he said, we're going to give you this and this and this

01:10:20.600 so that you'll vote for us. And he's, he's pandering to each one of these constituencies.

01:10:29.000 And he doesn't look at us as Americans. He looks at us as each little mosaic and kind of

01:10:35.000 each little tessera is a piece of my mosaic. And I'm going to deal with these guys and these guys,

01:10:41.480 and these guys, uh, title nine for this group, transgender for this, uh, cheaper gas for the

01:10:48.360 commuters student, my students, I'm going to pander to by forgiving loans and the Palestinians

01:10:55.480 and radical Islam. I'm going to be on the one hand, on the other anti-Semitic, but Islamophobic,

01:11:01.480 even though there's no evidence that it really exists on campuses. And that's how he looks at

01:11:05.880 politics. And I think he will seriously consider whether to, it depends. It only depends on what

01:11:12.840 the black community in politics sees as an important issue. If they go to him and say,

01:11:18.200 she's very popular, this would be a good token. Then he'd do it. If they go and say to her, well,

01:11:23.800 he's kind of crazy. Don't worry about it. He won't. But it's not going to be based on the facts

01:11:28.520 or the morality. It's going to be based on sheer political, sheer political utility.

01:11:33.160 The, we kick this off by discussing people like Mosby who want to make herself part of the story,

01:11:41.160 you know, like she did after Freddie Gray. And that's gone on for a while now, including

01:11:47.160 after Ferguson, which was right around the time of Freddie Gray and Michael Brown.

01:11:52.440 I remember covering this on Fox and I believe it was Columbia law where the students asked to not

01:11:58.360 have to take their finals because they could not function in the face of such extreme emotional

01:12:05.240 distress. Do you have any idea what lawyers do? Any clue whatsoever? Well, they're at it again.

01:12:15.400 Columbia students right now, law students pushing to cancel all exams. Student editors at the Columbia

01:12:23.480 Law Review are urging the law school to cancel tests or at least make all courses pass fail highlights

01:12:31.400 from their statement. We urge the law school to cancel exams and give all students passing grades.

01:12:37.480 The violence we witnessed last night has irrevocably shaken. Many of us left us and many of our peers

01:12:46.520 unable to focus and highly emotional during this tumultuous time. I've got news for you. The law

01:12:52.200 is not for you. Pick a different profession, you know, maybe like gardening. It can be mildly frustrating,

01:12:58.840 but in general, stress free. You should not be lawyers if you cannot function or focus because you're too

01:13:05.320 highly emotional. After like some protests, you're going to be dealing with murderers and child

01:13:12.840 molesters. If you do criminal law fraudsters who have completely bankrupted people. If you go into

01:13:18.120 the more white collar, if you want to do civil litigation like I did, you could be talking about

01:13:22.440 people who are dead in a products liability case. You could be talking about 30,000 people losing their

01:13:28.040 job. If you fail to argue this motion successfully, if you cannot function because you're a little

01:13:33.480 stressed out, you're going to be a shitty lawyer. Find a different job. It's not about canceling your exam.

01:13:41.080 They go on to say this follows the growing distress that many of us have felt for months.

01:13:47.640 Our students are not well on that. I agree with them. Victor, this is so pathetic.

01:13:55.720 One thing that I like, I don't like it, but we have got moral clarity about all these demonstrations.

01:14:01.720 They've just blown up a lot of the left's charades. We've known anybody who's been in the

01:14:08.120 so-called elite campuses known for years, that they're mediocre. At Stanford where I work, they

01:14:14.120 let in only 20% of the student body is so-called white. That's not important, but it is important

01:14:20.600 that they threw out the SAT and they don't rate comparative GPAs to achieve that. And so they are

01:14:27.000 letting in students who by their own definition cannot do the work that they themselves used to

01:14:32.920 require because they were in competition with other universities and said, we're preeminent.

01:14:38.840 Now, what are they doing? They're giving 60 to 80% A's at all these campuses. They're watering down

01:14:44.920 the courses and half the workload, or they're introducing new courses. And then they're creating

01:14:49.480 these helicopter privileged, helicopter parented students, and everybody's watching us. And they're

01:14:57.160 thinking, wow, these kids tore up the Portland State Library. They were like animals. They destroyed it.

01:15:05.320 Wow. Did you see what they did at USC and UCLA? They made a mess. It's worse than a homeless camp.

01:15:11.960 And then, you know, who has to clean it up? All these poor maintenance people.

01:15:15.800 And they roughed up a janitor at Columbia. And there's all these poor middle-class policemen that

01:15:21.640 they spit in. And then there's Byron Donalds come here and they call him Uncle Tom and a traitor,

01:15:28.520 this Middle Eastern students. And they shout, you know, go back to Poland or the final solution.

01:15:34.920 We don't like these people. They're spoiled. I think the Americans are concluding that they're spoiled.

01:15:41.000 We don't like these administrators and presidents that won't stop it. And they're scared. And we

01:15:45.880 understand why it continues. Because the faculty, the president, the blue state city, city council,

01:15:52.040 the blue city mayor, the blue state governor, they all agree with the agendas of these left-wing

01:15:59.080 students. And that's been really a lot of moral clarity. A lot of it is we always were told you can

01:16:05.320 be against Israel, but you're not anti-Semitic. They're showing you that they're one in the same.

01:16:09.640 Every time they try to rough up a Jewish kid or chase him into the library, they never say,

01:16:13.720 wait, before we do this, you look Jewish to us. Could I ask you if you support Israel or not? They

01:16:20.360 don't. And the same thing about, well, we're for Palestine, but we're not for terrorists like Hamas.

01:16:25.800 They are. They're the same. Their flags are there. They have Hezbollah banners. And another myth that they

01:16:32.120 blew up is, oh, the Democratic Party has this base, the kind of crazy base, you know, transgendered

01:16:38.840 issues, open borders, the squad, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, the Black Caucus. But this is

01:16:46.840 not the, they're one in the same. Joe Biden cannot open his mouth about any of this without saying

01:16:54.120 Islamophobia. He cannot just say this is an anti-Semitic. This is what the Democratic Party

01:17:00.040 is in total. And Joe Biden, to the degree he knows he's there, the people around him, his wife and

01:17:05.880 the Obama advisors, this party now is completely Jacobin left wing. And there is no base. And then

01:17:14.360 maybe there's a Fetterman or two, but that's it. And that party is committed to open borders. They're

01:17:21.640 committed to these demonstrations. They are anti-Semitic. They want, they do not like Israel.

01:17:28.360 They rejuvenated Iran by design. And that's who they are. And I think American people are seeing

01:17:36.520 that today. And the longer this goes on, it's going to hurt. It's going to hurt them.

01:17:41.480 The exchange between the protesters at SUNY New Paltz and the head of the school there, it was

01:17:50.200 infuriating. It reminded me of what happened at Evergreen in Washington state. The smugness

01:17:58.920 of these protesters as though they hold all the cards and the capitulation of the head of school

01:18:07.560 who was coming at it from the same angle. Like he has no negotiating power and they're completely

01:18:13.880 in charge. It again makes my skin crawl. Here it is a bit in Sot 3.

01:18:19.400 This isn't ending until our demands are met. We don't control the contract pieces the way you laid

01:18:27.240 it out. But it's our money. We can, we, we are giving you this money. And so we are paying your,

01:18:33.080 your bills. We are paying your paychecks. It is your responsibility, President Wheeler,

01:18:40.040 it is your responsibility to figure it out. What I would like to do is to be able to

01:18:46.280 work with you to bring your concerns to the places where they can make an impact.

01:18:50.920 You can come here. Okay. Come back with what they say.

01:18:54.760 There's a card with the demands on it. You can take it to your people.

01:18:57.880 I hear what you're saying. And I also have to say that I would rather that this not escalate

01:19:04.920 the way other campuses, because you all have done a phenomenal job.

01:19:08.440 It's up to you.

01:19:08.840 That is your responsibility.

01:19:10.280 A meditation will come from the police.

01:19:13.320 Good. I hope they, I hope they like, I hope that that gentleman gets, he likes this because he's

01:19:18.360 going to get a whole lot more of it. And so too will Northwestern, Rutgers, University of Minnesota,

01:19:23.880 all of whom have caved to the demands of the protesters. They're all on bended knee,

01:19:28.840 begging for these students to forgive them for being so awful in their alleged support of Israel.

01:19:34.440 They're creating things like an Arab culture center at Rutgers, a department of Palestinian studies.

01:19:40.920 And on it goes, they, they're not fighting them. They're like, you know what? You're right

01:19:45.400 about everything. Take over our campus. And here's our new Arab center.

01:19:48.120 Yeah. And all, all he had to say was, I want to remind you, it's not your money. You pay tuition,

01:19:55.800 which is a fraction of our expenses. Here's where the money goes and comes from. It comes from the

01:20:01.560 taxpayer. He, they give us tax-free income on our endowments. They subsidize your student loans to

01:20:09.640 this tune of $1.7 trillion. They give us massive federal grants. The endowment, such as it is at these

01:20:17.160 schools, comes from alumni who give money. That was their money. And without it, you wouldn't be

01:20:24.040 here. You are subsidized in every aspect. You think it's expensive? It would be twice as expensive.

01:20:30.680 And he could, he could easily say that all we have to do is, I think just, we're just looking for one

01:20:37.080 person who says, Ben Sassy was really good when he said, no, we're not going to do that at the

01:20:42.200 University of Florida. All, and they would fold. You just have to say, we saw that with the Arizona

01:20:46.760 State Union young woman who was kicked out and she's, she broke into tears and sobbed. I can't

01:20:53.720 believe this is happening to me. This generation is, is their hothouse plants and they need to be

01:20:59.880 exposed to the real weather. And I think, I think it's, you know, I really, I know this sounds crazy,

01:21:05.400 but I really do believe after being on the Stanford campus and watching Harvard and Yale

01:21:11.000 and Princeton and Columbia, they are going the way of Bud Light, CNN, Target, and Disney.

01:21:19.480 They don't know it because we're in the, you can't stand out and say, but a lot of people are not going

01:21:24.760 to send their kids there and the P and they're going to lower their standards to get more people

01:21:29.560 to come in because the top students will not go there. Employers will say, if I hire that graduate,

01:21:36.040 they won't know how to analyze. They won't be skilled in composition or oral fluency. They won't be

01:21:43.240 mathematically confident, but they will go to human resources the day they get here. And I don't want

01:21:49.480 those, I don't want those people in my, in my company. And I think that's going to happen.

01:21:53.960 And they're destroying the brand.

01:21:55.160 It's amazing as you watch these students, every time we see one speak up, like in that last video,

01:21:58.840 it's very clear there's somebody who's very gender confused leading the charge there.

01:22:02.600 I don't know what it was, is it a he or a she or what they go by, but Joseph Massey,

01:22:06.360 our favorite poet, he was calling them Osama non-binary. And that's exactly right. When you

01:22:10.600 look at these videos, Osama non-binary would really want us to, to offer more support for Hamas.

01:22:17.400 And we're listening. These university presidents are listening. We've got to talk about what's

01:22:22.520 happening at the University of Chicago and the demands, not, not only for goggles and

01:22:28.600 alleged like gauze to bind their wounds, but HIV tests plan B. And I'll tell you the third most

01:22:36.440 outrageous thing. When we come back there after a quick, quick, quick, quick break, don't go away

01:22:40.680 more with VDH. Don't forget to buy his brand new book right now. Go do it now. The end of everything.

01:22:47.240 Okay. Be right back.

01:22:52.120 Okay. So University of Chicago, I mentioned in the tease, Victor, these students have updated their

01:22:56.760 supply needs where they're continuing to protest there. As I mentioned, they want goggles. They want

01:23:03.080 medical tents. They want tables. They want HIV tests. They want plan B. I guess they're having a

01:23:09.640 lot of sex there. They have to figure out whether anybody got pregnant and abort their babies while

01:23:13.720 they're sitting there. And they want dental dams, dental dams, because they're having a lot of oral

01:23:18.360 sex too, which they want the public to fund. You can't, you can't make this up.

01:23:24.520 I mean, you would think they would say, well, we want gloves and plastic bags and garbage bags

01:23:31.640 and bins so that we can clean up after ourselves and we can be live in a hygienic, healthy place and

01:23:38.600 not damage our own nest, our university. But instead it's, how can we satisfy the base in

01:23:47.480 our base appetites? It's, you know, it just gets back to that original thing we were talking about

01:23:53.560 right before the break. These are not normal students this generation. These are the results

01:23:58.600 of an affluent leisured society that told them morality ethics does not count. You got to get a

01:24:05.240 cattle brand on your back that says Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and you've got to be

01:24:10.600 launched onto your trajectory and your title and letters after your name, your salary, your zip

01:24:16.520 code. That's all that's going to matter. And it comes from the parents as well. And the faculty,

01:24:21.480 they're not really adults, Megan. The faculty are just big students, adult students. They went out into

01:24:28.120 graduate school. They went to these types of schools, elite schools. They went to their graduate

01:24:33.400 school. They went right back into academia. They've never worked at 7-Eleven. They've never tried to

01:24:39.880 drive a semi. They don't, they're not out in the real world. They're not in the corporate world.

01:24:44.040 They're not in private enterprise. They don't know anything other than tenure. And they can always

01:24:50.760 whine and cry and somebody will listen to their stories. They're neurotic. They're narcissistic as a group.

01:24:56.760 Not everybody, but as a group they are. And now we're seeing, it's like a scab. We tore it off

01:25:01.720 October 7th and what followed tore off the scab. And what we saw for the first time for many people

01:25:08.120 is a very putrid wound underneath. And I, you know, at least when May 20th, June 20th, July 20th,

01:25:16.520 all of that mess, Joe Biden kept saying, Donald Trump is to be blamed. Donald Trump is to be blamed.

01:25:21.960 It's on his watch. But Trump was in the opposition party or the opposition ideology to that. And he

01:25:29.480 wanted to stop it. It hurt him nevertheless. But this time, Joe Biden is a Democratic incumbent

01:25:38.040 president. And these people are people on his left or Democrats. So it's even worse. It's like Humphrey

01:25:44.680 in the 1968 student protest. I mean, the protest against the opposite party, people expect. But

01:25:52.360 when you're in the same league with these people and you can't stop it or you won't stop it, it

01:25:57.960 really hurts you. And I think that's one reason why he's dipping in the polls the last two weeks.

01:26:03.560 This the scene of these people, they're not very sympathetic, kind people and people do not want to

01:26:08.520 associate with them. They really don't like to hear that the ones at Princeton saying that they're

01:26:13.160 going on a hunger strike. They're not going to eat anything. They're not going to drink anything

01:26:16.440 except for water. But you can but you can support them if you just want to have a 24 hour fast,

01:26:21.720 too. If that's if the hunger strike is too much for you. Let's face it. We all know they're not

01:26:25.640 going to hunger strike if they're going to be fine. It's a joke. And these people over here want us to

01:26:30.120 really feel for them while they're I mean, it's interesting to figure out their priorities.

01:26:33.320 They're not asking for condoms. So they're but they so they just want like the after effect things like,

01:26:39.640 OK, if I get HIV from all the sex I'm having, I need a test for it. I need the Plan B pill so I can

01:26:44.760 I can abort my baby that I may conceive here while I'm having all the unprotected sex. But if there's

01:26:49.880 oral sex, I do want a dental dam, which it's been a long time since I've understood what that is. But

01:26:55.480 I guess they don't want like HPV that you might get from oral sex. So that HPV they're like that's

01:26:59.720 where they draw the line. HIV might as well give it a shot and then just test for it after. I mean,

01:27:03.480 look, who are these people and where are they finding the privacy or the time to do all these things? I

01:27:07.880 I don't know. By the way, I don't know where their Instagram account, these University of Chicago

01:27:13.240 people. And from a recent post, they they added tips from BLM on how to protest. One of the most

01:27:20.920 important if you are white, put your body between those who aren't and cops who may arrive. OK,

01:27:28.920 so the white bodies need to protect the black bodies if the evil cops show. I mean, the same themes

01:27:35.000 right through all of these protests. Same what we read. I mean, the Politico had a big article on

01:27:39.720 how this is Soros and Rockefeller and Gates funding the organization that's funding a lot of these

01:27:45.880 protests. It's like, you're right. This is a capture by the left. And we're just seeing their

01:27:50.440 little soldiers having all their sex, which I doubt because they're not attractive on these campuses.

01:27:56.920 Yeah. You know, I think it's truly a wake up call to traditional people and conservative

01:28:02.440 people, maybe Republican people that their attitude so far when they saw take a knee

01:28:07.720 or what happened with the Oscars or any of this stuff in the popular culture, they just said,

01:28:13.320 I'm done. I don't go to first run movies. I don't go to Tony's. I don't go to Oscars.

01:28:17.640 I haven't watched an NBA playoff. I don't want to watch the take the knee stuff. I'm done. I don't

01:28:23.640 listen to NPR. I don't you know, I don't watch PBS anymore. I don't watch. But I don't think that's

01:28:29.160 enough that that monastery of the mind just to to vacate because these people don't want to let

01:28:35.800 you go. They'll find you. They want it. They've taken over all these. Columbia used to have the best

01:28:42.440 Yes. Columbia was famous, you know, Jacques Barzon and and all of these, even Lionel Trillian,

01:28:50.680 all these wonderful scholars. It was famous for their Western Civ and great books program.

01:28:55.400 And they've destroyed it. Yale was famous for their great strategy program that Donald Kagan,

01:29:01.560 all these great scholars. I get really upset because we just let these people, these vandals

01:29:07.240 come in and hijack all of these wonderful institutions that they control now. And our attitude has been,

01:29:13.800 OK, write them off. I'm going to Tennessee, Blue Mountain Hill, you know, Blue Ridge Mountains or

01:29:20.360 something and just get away from this. And I can understand that. But we can't all do that. We've got to

01:29:25.240 start fighting back and and being blunt with them and not worrying about when they call you, you know,

01:29:31.160 racist, homophobic, whatever the term is. You just have to be blunt with them because they are the in

01:29:38.920 the minority. And I think still, even at this late day, when you look at the polls on Biden's agenda,

01:29:44.920 none of the issues from crime to energy to foreign policy to to the border poll, 51 percent.

01:29:52.280 Yeah. And so we you're right. We lost something like the loss. We lost the loss of Harvard and

01:29:58.920 Yale and Columbia, Princeton. Like that matters. They used to be great institutions that we were

01:30:04.840 super proud of. But you could get a great education in the classics no longer.

01:30:10.360 No. And why did we just say, OK, it's fine to have Columbia has one third of all their students are

01:30:16.520 foreign students. Did we audit them? Does Columbia determine who gets a student visa?

01:30:21.160 Did anybody say before you get a student?

01:30:23.160 That's a real. Yeah, let's go. Just just to understand that they are one third of the kids,

01:30:26.600 kids, the students at Columbia are from other nations. They're here on student visas, not even

01:30:31.480 Americans. It is. And almost all of them are from illiberal regimes or from places like China.

01:30:38.120 They're from places like Egypt, Jordan, the West Bank, Gaza, Syria, Iraq. And we never say anything

01:30:44.920 about it. And then they come over here. And for the first time, they use our freedoms to protest

01:30:51.000 against their magnanimous host. And they know that if they were to do the same thing, go back,

01:30:57.880 if they were had purple hair and there were transgendered or gay openly, they'd be killed in

01:31:03.000 Gaza. They'd be killed in the West Bank. They would be killed in Syria.

01:31:06.760 They'd be put in jail in Egypt. If they demonstrated against the government, they would be

01:31:11.720 hounded out. Their family would be hounded out. And so it's so funny, especially in the case of women,

01:31:18.120 because they don't protest in the Middle East. They have a secondary status. They come over here

01:31:24.520 and rather than enjoying the freedom and giving a little bit of credit to their host who said,

01:31:29.560 you know what? I don't have biases against foreign students. If you meet our criteria,

01:31:35.800 welcome the world in. And rather than saying, wow, that is really weird. Russia doesn't do that.

01:31:40.360 China doesn't do that. Or countries that do don't have the wherewithal to give me this beautiful dorm

01:31:45.800 and this food and this class. And I'm going to repay all that by what? Death to America? Take over the

01:31:53.480 classics department at Columbia? Trash? Yell and scream? Call for a whole people to be wiped out? And

01:32:01.080 at some point, they have no gratitude. They're ungracious people who do that, who come in as

01:32:08.440 foreign students. And I think that's another thing. Boy, Megan, if the Republicans take over

01:32:16.040 the Senate and the presidency, I hope there's enough people with sense that says, you know what,

01:32:21.800 we're going to look at the whole thing. Do we need a million foreign students here that are unvetted?

01:32:27.480 Do we need to give them endowment income that's on tax? Do we need to really be in the student?

01:32:33.720 Do we need to be in a student loan business? We weren't for years. Why subsidize all this? Do we

01:32:38.680 need to give these massive federal grants to campuses that don't follow the Bill of Rights of due process or

01:32:45.480 freedom of speech? I think there's going to be a big move to that. And these people

01:32:49.640 are putting their heads in the noose and they don't understand it. And, but we'll see.

01:32:56.120 And, you know, a lot of people are also saying, I'm, I'm, I, we've got two minutes to the end of

01:33:01.400 the Sirius XM show. Can you stay an additional 10? Can I get you for 10 extra? Yeah. Yeah. Okay,

01:33:06.200 good. I want to continue this and I, we're going to have to do the hard wrap in a minute.

01:33:11.000 Did you see the students at GW university? They, they held a mock trial against the provost. They were

01:33:16.920 chanting off to the, off to the guillotine, guillotine, and then yelled off to the gallows

01:33:21.560 with you. Um, this guy, the, at the stew studio has been doing good work on this, but like

01:33:26.600 the, the calls for violence and getting a little bit more explicit guillotine, guillotine. I mean,

01:33:31.400 like to your point earlier, can you imagine, imagine a bunch of white students going on some

01:33:38.200 historically black university campus and chanting things like guillotine, like dying a death like

01:33:45.320 that. And you're go off to the gallows with you. How long do you think they tolerate that?

01:33:50.680 Not very long. And it's going to get, remember that for Israel to survive, they're going to decide

01:33:56.120 not Netanyahu as they claim, but all of them, that entire wartime, uh, bipartisan coalition government,

01:34:04.520 they're all on the same page. They have decided that if there's going to be no more October 7th,

01:34:10.680 they've got to destroy Hamas. And the only way they can destroy Hamas is going to allow Rafa. And

01:34:17.080 if they do that, uh, there's going to be greater and greater protests, even though schools are going

01:34:21.800 to be out. And so we haven't seen anything yet. This is going to be to paraphrase, uh, Kamala Harris,

01:34:28.520 what she said in 2020, remember, she said, these demonstrations are not going to stop, nor should they

01:34:33.480 stop. They're going to go all the way to the elections. She thought that was cute because

01:34:37.800 as we learned later, the left thought that it really helped Joe Biden this time, they're not

01:34:42.440 going to help Joe Biden. And she's not going to say that she's not going to, she won't say that this

01:34:46.920 time. I dare, I bet my life. She won't say these are great protests. They're going to go all the way

01:34:51.560 to the election. They're banking on these kids going home for the summer and this stuff dying down,

01:34:56.200 because this is terrible for their side. And that's why we're seeing more and more leftists say,

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01:36:04.920 Okay. So VDH, Kristi Noem is out there on her book tour. The book launches this week and she's

01:36:11.480 trying still to do cleanup on her. I murdered my puppy story, changing the story yet again.

01:36:17.720 And in the midst of this book, telling some untruths that seem pretty blatant, including

01:36:23.000 her, once again, it's got the same theme. She tried to build herself up with this story that

01:36:27.400 turned out to be false. In the dog story, it was true, but she misjudged the mood of the American

01:36:32.640 people when it comes to puppy killing. And the story that's been outed as untrue is her alleged

01:36:38.280 meeting with Kim Jong-un. She got asked about this by Margaret Brennan on CBS's Face the Nation.

01:36:45.320 And I'll let you just listen to the soundbite. You talk about meeting some world leaders and one

01:36:53.240 specific one. Quote, I remember when I met with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un. I'm sure he

01:36:59.720 underestimated me having no clue about my experience staring down little tyrants. I've been a children's

01:37:05.660 pastor after all. Did you meet Kim Jong-un?

01:37:08.900 Well, you know, as soon as this was brought to my attention, I certainly made some changes and

01:37:17.060 looked at this passage. And I've met with many, many world leaders. I've traveled around the world.

01:37:23.780 As soon as it was brought to my attention, we went forward and have made some edits.

01:37:28.920 So you did not meet with Kim Jong-un. That's what you're saying.

01:37:33.380 No, I've met with many, many world leaders, many world leaders. I'm not going to talk about my

01:37:37.520 specific meetings with world leaders. I'm just not going to do that. This anecdote shouldn't

01:37:42.980 have been in the book. And as soon as it was brought to my attention, I made sure that that

01:37:47.140 was adjusted. All right. This is unbelievable. So she did not, she never met with Kim Jong-un.

01:37:54.520 It was a lie. It wasn't true. Mound up in her book. And she says, as soon as it was brought to my

01:37:59.960 attention, I made changes. As soon as it brought, so she doesn't have the nerve to just say, it's not

01:38:05.160 true. We made a mistake. I apologize. And this is who I mixed him up with because I don't know if

01:38:09.900 she wrote any, any piece of this. I don't know who was making up the lie, but I do know it wasn't

01:38:14.540 just brought to her attention. She read it into the audio book herself, which to Margaret Brennan's

01:38:21.580 credit, she asked her about. Listen here. I know you read this book before it was published because

01:38:29.240 you released video of your recording of the audio book. You didn't catch these errors when you were

01:38:35.140 recording it? Oh, Margaret, as soon as it was brought to my attention, I took action to make

01:38:42.740 sure that it was reflected. And you're talking about a book that hasn't been released yet,

01:38:46.120 that's been corrected before it's been released. And you haven't said one thing about Joe Biden saying

01:38:50.860 that he was in prison with Nelson Mandela, that he started the civil rights movement.

01:38:55.700 Okay. Nice try. But deflecting to somebody else's bad behavior does not mask hers.

01:39:03.300 She read it as soon as it was brought to my attention. And then I've met with many,

01:39:08.600 many world leaders, many, right. But I'm not going to talk about the meetings as if Margaret

01:39:12.520 Brennan just has some burning desire to hear about Kristi Noem's meetings with foreign leaders.

01:39:16.480 She put it in her book. She's trying to test whether it's true because she knew accurately that it wasn't.

01:39:21.580 And Kristi Noem is trying to brag about her self-importance without doing the very thing

01:39:26.940 she says she does in this book, which is make hard choices and be this tough leader. She's not tough

01:39:32.600 at all. She's too scared to even admit she lied and she screwed up in her book. It's an ongoing theme.

01:39:38.880 There's another meeting she claimed she had with Emmanuel Macron that she claimed she canceled,

01:39:42.740 which also turns out to be untrue. Her publisher is having to undo that.

01:39:46.000 But every day we get a new one, Victor. So what's going on with Kristi Noem?

01:39:51.820 I don't know, Megan, but don't you feel that when you've been looking for,

01:39:57.040 when somebody has been examining you or you're going to make a new

01:40:00.500 course correction in your career, or somebody is going to give you a promotion at that time is when

01:40:07.080 you go over very carefully your CV or what you say.

01:40:11.800 And yet she's obviously thinks she's on the shortlist of vice presidents. So she's got this

01:40:17.700 memoir coming out, but rather than going over everything, so she doesn't end up where she is

01:40:23.020 now, she sort of exaggerates things. And in the worst possible, why, when you're going to go under

01:40:31.060 all this scrutiny, would you exaggerate? And the sad thing about it is, does she really think whether

01:40:37.480 she's going to be picked as a vice president or not, it's going to depend on whether she met with

01:40:41.440 Kim Jong-un or not. But she thinks she does. And she thinks that she's in South Dakota and she wants

01:40:47.620 to have foreign relations experience and met world leaders. So she does this. And the other thing is,

01:40:55.400 I, you know, I've watched her career and I don't want to get into personality, but something's going

01:41:01.300 on there. Her, she doesn't look the same. She doesn't talk the same. Her commercials are different.

01:41:07.380 They're all about her. And I don't know what's happened. She's altered her appearance radically

01:41:12.860 and her personal life shouldn't be any concern for people, but it is. And I don't know what,

01:41:20.600 what, what's going beyond, but all I can say, if you're on the vice presidential selection team for

01:41:26.420 Donald Trump, that's the last thing you need right now. And she, and prior to this, she'd been a

01:41:32.420 pretty good chief executive of a small, but important state. And she was kind of really played

01:41:38.780 up her out West Cal girl, hard work, her husband and she raised this family, nuclear family. But then

01:41:46.020 why, why do things that just obviate all that? I don't understand it, but it's a very natural thing.

01:41:52.440 Apparently she's gone. Like, like, I'm, I'm not opposed to fake hair at all. I got to put a couple

01:41:58.740 extras in here and I love it. Sometimes they're in, sometimes they're not. She's gone full. I mean,

01:42:03.580 she's like lady Godiva with the extensions down here and she's a sitting governor trying to be

01:42:09.060 considered for vice president. It's not professional. The like, she's obviously had a lot of like Botox and

01:42:15.340 filler. It's like a lot in her face. She did a weird ad for capped teeth, which I guess she's also had

01:42:22.220 she's trying to be like some sort of a glam queen instead of a respected leader.

01:42:29.940 I know it. I think she looked at Sarah Palin's, uh, who came from a small state and didn't have

01:42:36.260 a lot of experience in what they did to Sarah Palin. And I think she thinks they made fun of

01:42:41.080 Sarah Palin. They said, I think, I think Nick Cook, remember Nicole Wallace was one of her handlers

01:42:45.700 and they kind of leaked to the press. Sarah Palin doesn't know how to dress. And she's

01:42:50.320 kind of a buffoonie. She was very pretty. I thought naturally pretty.

01:42:53.920 She was, and she doesn't know anything about foreign affairs. So obviously Christy Roman said,

01:42:57.820 if I'm a, if I'm going to do this, I'm not going to go to Sarah. I'm going to get

01:43:00.960 a professional, sophisticated, glamorous look. I'm going to say that I met with foreign leaders.

01:43:07.400 That's my supposed vulnerability. And it just, it lost all authenticity. That was her strength,

01:43:13.160 that she was a down home person that lived in a normal, sane place with a sane husband and

01:43:19.300 great kids. And she could, she was actually very pretty. She was aging very naturally. I thought

01:43:25.820 wonderfully. And she didn't need any of that. She didn't need to brag about all these people she

01:43:30.640 didn't meet. And I think she's taken. And also the nature of the brag Victor, right? The nature

01:43:36.280 of the brag is I stared him down, you know, how she allegedly, I have it in front of me here someplace

01:43:41.920 in the soundbite transcript, but, uh, Oh yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. I'm sure he underestimated me having

01:43:48.180 no clue about my experience, staring down little tyrants. Oh, you're so tough. You know, you're so

01:43:53.960 meanwhile, it never happened. And she's trying to act like she was the victim. She, she came out with a

01:43:59.640 statement saying, um, Oh, this morning in a 15 minute interview, Margaret Brennan interrupted me

01:44:06.860 36 times, once every 25 seconds on average. But when liberals go on face nation, they aren't

01:44:12.760 interrupted even once in the fake news media, there are two sets of rules. The conservatives are always

01:44:17.320 treated differently. That's why Americans don't trust the fake news. I resent this. I resent this

01:44:22.060 because you and I both know this actually is a problem with a lot of folks out there. That's not

01:44:27.040 what happened to her. I watched all 15 minutes. Margaret Brennan barely interrupted her. She's

01:44:31.120 counting moments where Margaret Brennan was trying to wrap overly long answers by just doing what

01:44:35.300 anchors do, which like, well, well that's, she was totally appropriate. I defend her fully in this

01:44:41.380 exchange. And how dare she try to use an existing liberal media bias, which we all know is there

01:44:47.460 to excuse her lies, her obfuscation, and now new lies about the dog incident, Victor, before I play that

01:44:54.800 soundbite. What do you make of what I just said? Well, she's right. You're absolutely right that

01:44:59.820 she's right about, but that's cause to be very careful because she understands that that's what

01:45:04.820 the left wing media do. And you know that when we all get interviewed by accident or ambushed,

01:45:10.600 or we write, if you write a syndicated column and you're on the conservative side, and I think I've

01:45:15.940 written over 2000 of them now in the last 30 years, 25 or 30 years, guest and regular, you, you,

01:45:23.340 you know that what the left is going to do. So that doesn't make you, that doesn't increase your

01:45:27.980 exposure to, you know, criticism. You, you kind of double down and say, is this right? Is, did I, Pat,

01:45:35.920 I, am I exaggerating? And you, and you kind of underestimate or you under report what you're doing

01:45:41.660 because of that media. And I know that that's maybe not fair, but it seems to me that when she

01:45:46.440 went on there, and I don't know if I would have gone on there, but she went on there, she should have

01:45:50.440 had in her mind. They're going to ask me every single question to embarrass me. And here's what

01:45:54.780 I'm going to answer. Honestly, she's going to say, you know, I exaggerated, or I made that up,

01:46:00.660 or I shouldn't have done that. And I take full responsibility and it's never going to happen

01:46:05.680 again. And that would have ended it. She, she couldn't because she read the audio book and

01:46:10.740 therefore she had to own that. It was her line. The same thing with the dog incident, Megan.

01:46:15.100 Let me show you the dog incident. So she, she's trying to do revision. This is the last,

01:46:18.740 I know you got to go, but this is the last one. So she's trying to do revisionist history on the

01:46:22.840 shooting of the 14 month old dog, because there's been such backlash to it across the aisle. And

01:46:28.700 now she should, and keep in mind in the original book excerpt run by the guardian, but quoting her

01:46:32.860 book, the story was the dog was, uh, she took it out on a bird hunt. It was uncontrollable. It was

01:46:40.820 not, it was disruptive. It was brand new. She hadn't been trained. And that on the way home,

01:46:45.260 she had swung by a fan, a friend's chicken farm and the dog cricket started attacking the chickens

01:46:51.500 and killed a couple of them. And then Chrissy Noem reimbursed the farm owner for the chickens.

01:46:55.940 And then she killed cricket with a bullet between the aisles eyes in a gravel pit.

01:47:00.780 And she said, when she tried to get a chicken out of cricket's mouth, cricket went for her,

01:47:06.300 which, I mean, frankly, that's not totally unknown by dogs. When you're trying to take a

01:47:10.360 high value reward out of their mouth, it doesn't say that this is a bad, aggressive dog who needs

01:47:15.600 to be put down. So now she's changed it. She did not say in the book, he had, he was a serial killer.

01:47:22.200 He was a serial attacker of people or children or anything like that. But here's how she's spinning

01:47:28.560 it now in SOT 16.

01:47:30.560 This was a dangerous animal that was killing livestock and attacking people. And, and I had

01:47:36.440 little children at the time. Our operation had many kids running around and people in interaction

01:47:41.340 with the public. And I made a difficult choice. I think you're a mother too. And you have little

01:47:45.640 kiddos. Would you make a choice between your children or a dangerous animal? And I think I

01:47:50.320 would ask everybody in the country to put themselves in that situation, because that's what I faced.

01:47:54.780 Because you put it in a part of a chapter called bad day to be a goat. And then after you shot the dog,

01:48:00.880 you quote, realized another unpleasant job needed to be done. Walking back up to the yard,

01:48:05.820 I spotted our billy goat. You said he smelled and would chase kids. So you took him to the gravel

01:48:11.000 pit and shot him twice. How, how do you justify that? How was the goat a threat? And I'm asking

01:48:18.540 you this because it seems like you're celebrating the killing of the animals.

01:48:24.580 Not at all. This has been a story that my political opponents have tried to use against

01:48:28.260 me for years. It's well known in South Dakota, and it has been to other people. And I want the truth

01:48:33.920 to be out there and to understand that, that these animals were attacking my children.

01:48:40.180 What? They were, now we've gone to the cricket was attacking the children, killing livestock. Okay.

01:48:48.340 And a couple of chickens got eaten and attacking people as it, it snapped at her when she tried to

01:48:54.580 take the chicken, but she's inflated. She's, she's lying, Victor. She's, she lied about Kim Jong-un.

01:48:59.840 She lied about Emmanuel Macron to the point where the publisher is now correcting those two excerpts.

01:49:05.060 And I, she lied there to Margaret Brennan, in my opinion, seems very clear.

01:49:09.720 Well, but her point to put these stories, cause I haven't read the memoir, but is the point,

01:49:16.540 it seems to me that she's trying to tell her audience that although she is a woman governor,

01:49:22.000 she does tough macho stuff and maybe she doesn't have enough experience, but people on the national

01:49:29.060 stage, when she's Trump's vice president, wouldn't want to screw around with Christy Nolm because she's

01:49:34.200 capable of shooting a billy goat. Is that the idea? She can kill puppies. Yeah. I mean, I live on a

01:49:40.420 farm and I've farmed, I've lived here my whole life. And it's that I can, I was sympathetic to a

01:49:46.680 degree. I had a dog that when you're driving a spray rig, there's a PTO shaft and the dog came

01:49:53.760 out of nowhere, ran in, got caught. And I won't get into detail, but completely eviscerated. I mean,

01:49:59.560 you could see the innard, the dog had about a minute and I always carried a gun because there's

01:50:06.100 coyotes that would come up to the tractor and stuff. And I put the dog out of its misery and buried it

01:50:11.780 because I didn't want to take it all the way in town. That's humane. Yeah. It was disassembled,

01:50:17.360 the dog. I mean, there was a leg missing and it was still alive. So, so I put it out, but I would

01:50:22.340 never, this is the first time I've ever said that publicly. And I got really depressed for about a

01:50:27.680 week, you know, and I, I didn't, it was horrible to see it happen. The dog flew up 20 feet in the air

01:50:33.420 from when the shaft caught him. And, but it's not something I would want to talk about. And it didn't

01:50:38.860 show my character one way or the other. Just if you're on a farm, things like that happen, but you

01:50:44.160 don't, you don't revel in them. You don't brag about them. You, you, you just feel bad about it. And

01:50:50.340 you don't know what to do when you're out in the middle of country and you don't want to, and you

01:50:54.660 know, you don't want to go take a box full of a dismembered dog who's still alive and wait in line at a

01:51:00.340 vet for a, but why she thinks that that's a sign that, and I, and we, you know, I have four dogs.

01:51:09.160 You've heard them bark, Megan. I don't think they're very, they're very well-mannered sometimes.

01:51:13.960 And once in a while, if they find a dove or something on the farm and I take it out,

01:51:18.340 they will snap at me. The idea you would shoot that dog after it's just incomprehensible.

01:51:24.320 Yeah.

01:51:24.800 And I have grandkids that come out and everything. So I, there was so many, I think you did a good job.

01:51:30.020 There were so many loose threads that are inexplicable other than she wanted to make a

01:51:35.380 point that don't screw around with Kristi Noem. She's capable of being real tough. Kim Jong-un,

01:51:42.260 she was tough with him. She's tough with dogs. She's tough with goats. She's from South Dakota.

01:51:48.300 And she would, she would be a much better candidate than Sarah Palin would be. And you should pick a

01:51:55.320 small state female governor. And she's, she's really tough. If she's really tough, she should

01:52:01.940 come on this show. I've been very fair to her in the past. Very fair. When her book came out,

01:52:06.920 the last one I had her on, we had a great exchange and I will ask her very hard questions and we'll

01:52:14.480 see how tough she is. She should, if she can withstand my questions as somebody who's trained

01:52:18.880 in cross-examination, then we'll see. Maybe she can rehabilitate herself. But so far-

01:52:24.140 That would be a great chance, Megan.

01:52:26.320 She's making a laughingstock out of herself currently.

01:52:29.180 Yeah. But she could come on your show and when you ask her, she could say,

01:52:32.920 that was something that was untrue and I regret it. I got caught up in a moment. On the dog,

01:52:37.880 I tried to portray those tragic incidents in a fashion that was not accurate. Maybe I didn't

01:52:45.960 mean it that way, but I know why I did it and why I did it was wrong. And anytime you have to take an

01:52:51.600 animal's life, it's not something to be gratuitous about. And she could be fine. She could just tell

01:52:56.700 the truth to you.

01:52:57.680 Yep.

01:52:57.940 But I don't think that's going to happen.

01:52:59.060 This strategy is not working. No, she should come with some humble pie and a sword to fall on

01:53:03.720 and a hat and it should be in her hand. That's how the interview should go. If she wants to

01:53:09.380 rehabilitate herself. Last question on her, is there any chance now Trump picks her as Veep?

01:53:14.880 Well, it's a long, I mean, we've just seen one candidate implode. We don't know what the others

01:53:19.640 are going to do. They can all implode. And I remember Thomas Eagleton when he was a really nice

01:53:25.360 guy and all of a sudden we found out he had electric shock treatments in 1972 and they kicked him off

01:53:30.480 the McGovern ticket. So anything can happen. But as if, as of now, unless she can come up with a

01:53:38.380 mea culpa that's sincere and honest and exact, I don't think that she, Donald Trump doesn't need

01:53:44.120 that right now. He needs a solid, non-controversial person that, that people, the media will have

01:53:52.320 trouble. He needs a guy to be, I'll be handed. He needs a guy like, I'm not saying guy male,

01:53:58.240 but he needs somebody like a, a Ron DeSantis, a Tom Cotton, a Mike Pompeo, these, uh, a Glenn

01:54:04.980 Youngkin who have been through the whole gamut of left-wing attacks. They've stood up, they've

01:54:10.400 been in government. All four of those guys are great. Somebody like that. And you don't want to

01:54:15.040 just balance by gender or race, or I think because just because of the volatile situation that Trump is

01:54:21.980 in, he needs somebody that's sober and experienced and veteran he can trust. And somebody like that,

01:54:27.860 yeah. Victor, wish you would do it. Wonderful to see you, my friend. I can't do that. No,

01:54:35.440 not at all. Okay. Too smart for that nonsense. All right, go get his book. It's called The End

01:54:41.460 of Everything, How Wars Descend Into Annihilation. I'm promising you, you will enjoy it. You will feel

01:54:47.520 like a better person. You will feel smarter and better able to comprehend and ultimately discuss

01:54:53.240 the complex issues facing America today. Speaking of people who might be on Trump's shortlist for VP,

01:54:59.820 Vivek Ramaswamy is back with us tomorrow. We're going to see you then. And by the way,

01:55:05.700 I just want to let you know that if you have any interest in my Strudwick and my own

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01:55:21.060 We don't send you a bunch of crap. We send you one email on Fridays with some highlights from the

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01:55:32.720 update on Strudwick is epic. Epic. It was particularly terrible this weekend. And I told him,

01:55:39.280 you better shape up or I'm shipping you off to Kristi Noem's farm. That's what's going to...

01:55:44.580 Oh, I didn't. I thought it, but I wouldn't actually do it.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 06, 2024

Judge Threatens to Jail Trump, Kristi Noem's Lies, and the ＂End of Everything,＂ with Victor Davis Hanson ｜ Ep. 783

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