The Megyn Kelly Show - Judge Violates Trump's Free Speech, and What Noem's Lies Really Expose, with Vivek Ramaswamy and Buck Sexton

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.220 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. It was a, quote, dry but important

00:00:17.520 day at the trial of former President Donald Trump yesterday, according to the New York Times reporter

00:00:22.600 in the courtroom. But what happened before court kicked off has the media so excited

00:00:27.260 the threat of potential jail time. They're so excited about it. If the former president violates

00:00:34.100 his unconstitutional gag order again, that plus Kristi Noem, she's still going. She continues

00:00:40.920 to embarrass herself during her media tour over her ill-fated book. We will get to that later with

00:00:47.240 Buck Sexton, who had it out with Kristi Noem back in 2021 after calling her a phony at the time.

00:00:53.220 Uh, but joining me first today is host of the just relaunched show, the truth podcast available

00:01:00.800 on all podcast platforms and YouTube. And that host is Vivek Ramaswamy. Vivek, welcome back. How

00:01:09.160 you doing? Good to see you, Megyn. How are you? Good to see you too. All right. So now you've,

00:01:12.620 I presumably had a little time to relax, see your family and you're getting back into the show.

00:01:19.260 How's that going? It's good. I mean, it's a part of a portfolio of things I'm doing in the private

00:01:23.740 sector. I, during the campaign did something a little bit unusual, but I enjoyed it actually.

00:01:28.940 And I said that if I was elected president, I was going to continue it from the white house,

00:01:32.200 because I think we need more honest conversation. One of the things I loved in the campaign was just

00:01:36.780 speaking my mind freely and speaking my mind in the open. So after having taken a little bit of

00:01:41.260 a pause and a break from public life and time with family and, and let's just say recalibrating and

00:01:47.280 collecting a year's worth of lost time with the family and kids, I'm now starting a number of

00:01:52.920 activities in the private sector. And this is the first major splash I'm making, which is to

00:01:57.600 relaunch the podcast that we started during the campaign. But I'd like to take to the next level by

00:02:03.060 maybe broaching some frontiers that many other politicians or even others in the conservative

00:02:08.260 media movement haven't really touched. And a lot of the other activities I'm taking on in the business

00:02:12.780 world and otherwise, I'll be able to talk about the reasons why I'm pursuing those through this

00:02:16.960 podcast as well. Great. I love that you're, you're getting back on with it. People want to hear

00:02:22.220 from you now more than ever. And I would like to hear from you on this Trump, this Trump trial and

00:02:27.400 where we are, because this judge continues to find him some $10,000 so far for alleged violations of

00:02:33.300 what is to me clearly an unconstitutional gag order. You went to Harvard undergrad, Yale law school,

00:02:39.400 and have written some great op-eds that I thought were so insightful and really genius,

00:02:45.040 even before you started to run for president. So here's Trump yesterday saying, you know what,

00:02:50.580 because the Trump's, the judge there said, if you violate it again, I don't want to do this to you,

00:02:54.380 Mr. Trump, but I may have to put you in jail. And here was Trump speaking to that yesterday.

00:03:00.700 I have to watch every word I tell you people. You ask me a question, a simple question. I'd like to give

00:03:06.400 it, but I can't talk about it because this judge has given me a gag order and said, you'll go to jail

00:03:12.800 if you violate it. And frankly, you know what? Our constitution is much more important than jail. It's not

00:03:19.520 even close. I'll do that sacrifice any day. But what's happening here is a disgrace.

00:03:27.560 All right. So I'll get to the media reaction to that. But what do you make of the real threat now?

00:03:32.280 It's a real threat that they may put the former president of the United States and likely,

00:03:36.540 you know, certainly GOP nominee back in. Look, I think that it will automatically backfire

00:03:43.500 instantly politically, even though they intend it in the other direction. But the question is,

00:03:47.440 is this a first amendment violation or not? I believe it is because when you have a president

00:03:52.200 in the middle of a political election, a presidential election who cannot defend himself against what are

00:03:58.280 fundamentally political attacks against them or even debates that have major political consequences

00:04:03.840 in the middle of an election. And then you try to stifle that person from speaking, engaging in

00:04:09.260 political speech in the middle of an election. And they've absolutely made this a relevant issue in

00:04:14.100 the election. So the idea that this is not political speech is nonsense. That is an affront to

00:04:18.980 the constitution. And if we are a country that prizes one thing, it is a country that allows you to

00:04:24.040 criticize the government. And if they're saying that this man cannot criticize the government,

00:04:28.700 that would be a first amendment violation no matter who it is. But it's a first amendment

00:04:31.920 violation on steroids when it is a political candidate who is unable to criticize the government

00:04:36.880 led by the political party that he's actually running against. So then the question is, are these entire

00:04:42.520 charges themselves politicized in the first place? Or are we talking about this technical legal sphere

00:04:48.100 that's different from the realm of politics? I think if you look at the merits of this case,

00:04:52.600 Megan, frankly, there are none. That's what actually makes this a political exercise

00:04:56.560 in the first place. Just go to the heart of the legal theory that Alvin Bragg is pushing

00:05:01.720 against Donald Trump. It's just worth taking seriously. What exactly is that legal theory?

00:05:06.860 A lot of people have a lot of trouble saying what Alvin Bragg is even pursuing. And for good reason,

00:05:10.940 because the charges are big. Everybody who's honest has trouble saying it.

00:05:15.560 Nobody has any idea what Donald Trump is exactly being prosecuted for. But I'm going to

00:05:19.520 give the clearest statement that I think I can, because it's worth smoking out. It's even uglier

00:05:24.000 once you see what it is. The basic theory of this case is the underlying crime besides the falsifying

00:05:30.320 business records misdemeanor, the thing that makes it allegedly a felony, is that Donald Trump,

00:05:35.740 according to Alvin Bragg's theory of the case, should have used campaign funds to make a personal

00:05:42.160 hush money payment? Well, let's just try the other foot. If Donald Trump had used campaign

00:05:47.620 funds to make a personal hush money payment, the prosecution would arguably have a stronger case

00:05:53.400 to go after him for that, right? That would be a misuse of campaign funds. People would normally

00:05:58.480 give to political campaigns to advance political causes. Well, if you're using that to advance

00:06:02.420 personal goals, including making personal hush money payments instead, they would be prosecuting him

00:06:07.840 for that. So that's a perfect litmus test for whether a prosecution is politicized or not. If the

00:06:12.640 defendant had done the exact thing that in this case the prosecutor is saying he should have done

00:06:17.040 and could have been prosecuted for it, then that means they were going to get him going or get him

00:06:21.020 going coming. And it does not matter what the actual underlying behavior was. And so that's what

00:06:25.600 we're seeing today. That's what this alleged prosecution is about, is really fulfilling, speaking

00:06:30.160 of campaigns, a campaign promise. And it was a campaign promise made by Alvin Bragg before he was

00:06:35.800 elected to the position that he's in, which is to go after Donald Trump. And so if the whole thing's

00:06:39.940 a political exercise, this is just a cherry on top, saying that he can't even respond to those

00:06:44.640 political attacks at behest of imprisonment. Our founding fathers wouldn't be rolling in their

00:06:49.400 graves. They'd be doing backflips. But the ultimate irony on all of this, Megan, is if that does

00:06:54.100 happen, I think most Americans are poised to see right through it. And this will backfire on steroids

00:06:59.520 as well, just as the prosecutions have in propelling Donald Trump to the presidency.

00:07:03.460 I think you're right. I really think you're 100 percent right. You have a great point about

00:07:08.140 criticizing the government and how that in particular should be allowed as, you know,

00:07:13.020 it is allowed. And this judge recognized that it's allowed. But the thing about the jury was

00:07:18.020 really galling to me because why can't Trump criticize the jury? He didn't say juror number

00:07:23.220 four is a hack. He said he got fined for this. He said, I just pulled it up. That jury was picked

00:07:29.320 so fast. Ninety five percent Democrats. The area is mostly all Democrat. And the latter

00:07:35.820 clause seemed to be a modifier because he realized maybe he shouldn't be technically speaking

00:07:40.220 specifically about these jurors. But why shouldn't he? Why can't he say the jury is mostly all

00:07:45.100 Democrats? That's his opinion, having sat there day after day through one year. And that, too,

00:07:50.020 is an attempt to say you're not allowed to get the public ready for what's going to be a verdict

00:07:56.020 against you, in all likelihood, because they're partisan opponents of yours. He just got fined

00:08:02.560 a thousand dollars for pointing that out. That can't be OK. Yeah. So a lot of people really,

00:08:10.440 it becomes difficult when you're sorting out what is the First Amendment protect and what doesn't it.

00:08:14.160 So I have a simple rule of thumb here, Megan. But let's just take the different things that people

00:08:18.060 will say. Well, yes, the First Amendment protects speech, but it does not protect incitements to violence.

00:08:22.920 It does not protect fraud. It does not protect making false statements in a commercial context.

00:08:28.220 That's fraud. It does not protect interfering in the proceedings of a court. So if you want to

00:08:32.580 distill it down to one thing, what is just from a First Amendment perspective? The First Amendment

00:08:37.180 protects all opinions. That's what it protects, right? An opinion, no matter how heinous it is,

00:08:42.640 no matter how much you disagree with it, no matter how unpleasant it is to hear, no matter the context,

00:08:46.960 the First Amendment protects all opinions. And so so long as Donald Trump is actually

00:08:51.760 expressing an opinion grounded in facts that he's also citing to bolster his opinions,

00:08:57.060 it's protected speech as far as I'm concerned. That's true if it's Donald Trump or anybody,

00:09:01.280 right? Anybody expressing an opinion about a trial during their own defense.

00:09:05.320 Now, against the backdrop of the political context of this trial, it's unambiguous as you're

00:09:09.960 expecting, you're expressing an opinion in the context of a political election where that trial

00:09:14.920 would not have happened but for that election. That makes this a cut and dry case where he should

00:09:19.900 absolutely be able to say anything he absolutely wants about those jurors. And specifically,

00:09:24.460 he was actually talking about the selection process of those jurors that makes this unobjectionable.

00:09:29.200 And so in many ways, is Donald Trump going to be hurt by that fine? No. I mean, if you think about

00:09:33.120 the amount he's paying per second in legal fees, it's probably in excess of those fines.

00:09:38.080 You know what? The judge indirectly may have actually done him and done all of us and done this

00:09:42.140 country a favor by exposing how rotten this entire process is. If he takes that next step and puts him in jail,

00:09:48.800 I think it would be regrettable for this country. I think it would set an awful precedent. I think we

00:09:53.200 should be ashamed as American citizens on the global stage, having other countries looking at us,

00:09:58.780 throwing a former U.S. president in prison for daring to engage in political speech in the middle

00:10:03.300 of an election. If that happened in a different country, we would call that a banana republic or

00:10:06.840 the stuff of autocracy. But happening here as an American citizen, I would be embarrassed as others

00:10:12.920 look at our country. But ironically, I think it will continue to have the effect that all of these

00:10:17.480 sham prosecutions have had, which is to further put Americans on the side of Donald Trump, even the

00:10:22.980 ones who otherwise would not have been. Because it's not that they're on Trump's side even, it's

00:10:27.140 that they're on the side of justice in this country, one standard of the rule of law. And the idea that

00:10:31.880 you get to speak your mind freely, and if you're going to get put in jail for doing that, if they do

00:10:35.540 it to Donald Trump today, they're going to do it to somebody else tomorrow. And I think it's disgusting,

00:10:39.400 and I think that most Americans see through that as well.

00:10:43.040 Well, I don't think the media finds it disgusting. Here's a little example of how they reacted. You're

00:10:50.260 going to be shocked, shocked, watch. And the judge threatening the ex-president with jail time.

00:10:55.100 It is really clear that the judge is, depending on the seriousness of the next violation,

00:11:01.400 contemplating putting him in jail. I mean, and frankly, if that happens, it's not going to be

00:11:05.960 because of anything Judge Marshawn did. It's going to be Donald Trump's own choice.

00:11:10.240 I know from my own reporting, I'm sure you do too, that Trump didn't eat on foreign trips because

00:11:14.880 he was so afraid of germs. There's no way Trump himself wants to go to jail. Certainly not many

00:11:21.220 black defendants who, if they came this close to the line, would have already been held in contempt

00:11:25.980 of court and would have been incarcerated by now. And so he is getting the doest of process.

00:11:31.280 And the idea that Donald Trump actually would want to go to jail is ridiculous. Anyone who knows

00:11:35.760 him knows that. He doesn't even like to stay in a hotel. He won't eat food when he goes on

00:11:39.620 foreign territory. You have to use the bathroom. His hair, his makeup, his skin, like he will be

00:11:47.700 pulled apart. He doesn't have the metal to do it. So Donald Trump is terrified. You've got to

00:11:54.040 believe just by his issues with odors and smells and fear of disease. He threw down the gauntlet.

00:12:03.120 If he doesn't throw Trump in jail, he would look entirely like a paper tiger. And Trump

00:12:08.940 got that message.

00:12:10.400 You know, how much bravado, you know, this is not somebody who's thinking, you know what,

00:12:15.220 I'm going to have a really great time at Rikers.

00:12:17.640 Can I just make this the point in the program when we say, no, this is normal?

00:12:23.120 Oh my God. Honestly, Nicole Wallace is the worst. She's the worst. She barely moves her lips when she's

00:12:28.320 speaking. She barely has. It's just like a little hole that that words come out of. I can't quite

00:12:33.120 get it. And she's so sanctimonious for vacant. She can't. She doesn't know anything. She knows

00:12:38.760 nothing about what Trump's habits are when he travels overseas. None of them does. But they

00:12:43.400 want to pretend like they're in the room with him, in the bedroom, in the bathroom, in the dining room

00:12:48.420 with Trump. And they can tell you exactly how he's going to respond if he gets a day in jail.

00:12:52.260 Yeah. Well, look, she knows nothing about Donald Trump's habits. She probably knows even less

00:12:57.120 about the law or an understanding or care about that as well. That's right. And I think that manner

00:13:01.280 of speech is really funny. I don't like to pick on these minor details, but you actually hit the

00:13:05.620 nail on the head there. It's all part of this air of sanctimony, right? The air, the vibe of authority

00:13:12.100 without actually having any of the content of that authority. And I think that's what so many in the

00:13:16.660 modern media have actually become is the air, the genteel sort of atmospherics of having authority

00:13:22.780 in the manner that you speak, the sanctimony that drips from it, but without having the first basis

00:13:28.040 of an understanding of how the law or the Constitution works. And so it's completely backwards versus

00:13:31.980 somebody who actually didn't speak with the right mannerism, but actually knew what they were talking

00:13:35.340 about. That would be far preferable to me. Now, the schadenfreude, the level of rejoicing in

00:13:41.440 somebody else's suffering. I've never seen something like this, but we know that's exactly

00:13:47.240 what we're to expect here from the media. They've been playing for this for a long time. The entire

00:13:51.000 plot has been to really portray Donald Trump as a criminal. That's been, I think, a big part of the

00:13:56.400 Democratic Party's goal in this objectionable pursuit of prosecutions against him. So it's no

00:14:01.940 surprise that the media has played interference for them on so many other topics is going to run

00:14:06.000 interference here as well. I think that's the less interesting part than to examine what is exactly the

00:14:11.260 consequence here. Let's say Donald Trump is, God forbid, I think it'd be bad for the country,

00:14:15.940 but thrown in jail. I do think that they've kind of put themselves in a box here because Donald

00:14:20.120 Trump believes, I believe correctly, that this is an affront to the Constitution. He has a right to

00:14:24.600 speak in the middle of an election. He's running to lead this country to be the commander in chief.

00:14:29.500 So for him to buckle at behest of what this judge who has no regard for the law or the Constitution

00:14:35.100 on this set of issues, I think would be a bad outcome. So I think Donald Trump should continue

00:14:39.640 to express his opinions because he's running for U.S. president and both he and the country deserve

00:14:45.840 to hear his opinions on a matter of public importance. But the judge has now put himself

00:14:49.980 in a box going out of his way. He didn't have to do this, but going out of his way to be able to

00:14:54.820 threaten jail time. I think that that is something that unfortunately sets this up as a reasonably

00:15:00.260 likely outcome. And you know what? Donald Trump's made a lot of sacrifices for the country,

00:15:04.740 running for president, serving as U.S. president. This wouldn't be the biggest of them.

00:15:08.400 And so I think it would set a terrible precedent. I think it's going to be bad for the country.

00:15:12.080 But I think it is reasonably likely that it does end up there. And as sad as that is,

00:15:17.380 it's exactly what you would predict once you've opened Pandora's box with these prosecutions based

00:15:22.300 on really no figment of the legal theory to back it up against a former president, a man running for

00:15:28.380 U.S. president in the middle of an election. This is just the necessary consequence and all the

00:15:32.740 drama that follows. It's unfortunately what they signed up for in the first place. And I think that

00:15:37.380 this is just the tip of the iceberg of what we're going to see in the next six months.

00:15:40.920 They're thrilled about it because they want his humiliation. That's what you heard them talking

00:15:45.980 about. Well, how, you know, he's not going to be able to have his hair the way he wants it. They

00:15:50.280 want his humiliation. That's why they were so angry that he leaned into his mugshot and went on the mugs

00:15:57.520 and it went on T-shirts. And so they're waiting for him to be humbled, to be humiliated. And they

00:16:04.180 keep waiting for the next chapter. Maybe Judge Marchand will get him there when he throws him

00:16:08.020 behind jail bars. And we can watch that and revel. The media, of course, has been a massive problem.

00:16:13.920 You experienced it when you were running and before and after. This is a small ball story,

00:16:18.860 but it's indicative. There was a reporter for NBC News and she moved on to CNN. Her name is Michelle

00:16:26.160 Kaczynski. And she posted a thread on X last night. She was very well known at both of those

00:16:32.640 outlets. A thread on X last night revealing her horror at a dinner she recently had with people who

00:16:40.920 turned out to be MAGA. At first, she said, they seemed great on the surface for like an hour.

00:16:49.600 And then she says the closeted guests over a few drinks began to slip their true MAGA natures.

00:16:58.100 And she says she marvels at how a, quote, normal group of people could support a politician

00:17:03.500 like Trump, of whom she does not approve, going here from the Daily Mail report. One of the couples

00:17:10.280 attended top Ivy League colleges, she writes. But now that it was university time for their own

00:17:17.980 children, they were adamantly not letting them apply to any Ivies and were weird about explaining

00:17:23.060 why, though the kids were double legacies. OK, moving on. She criticizes their position on,

00:17:30.320 quote, climate change and the fact that they use that term in air quotes, not scientists,

00:17:35.760 clearly and goes on from there. Now, Vivek, this is a woman who I've been around in the media

00:17:41.900 long enough to remember. Left NBC was pushed out, I believe, shortly after the following incident,

00:17:49.440 which went everywhere. She was doing a report on flooding after a hurricane in some American town,

00:17:55.440 and she did the report from a canoe as though she was stranded. This is the only way to get around.

00:18:02.760 And in the middle of her live shot, firefighters walked through the live shot with the water up

00:18:10.480 to their ankles. We actually pulled the clip just to show you. I mean, this is the dishonest media

00:18:15.820 in a snapshot. Watch this. And be she sees Michelle Kaczynski. I guess she's in the canoe is in Wayne,

00:18:22.940 New Jersey this morning. Michelle, good morning to you. Good morning. Well, obviously,

00:18:28.180 we're getting a nice break from the rain, but not the flooding. This is essentially now part of the

00:18:33.840 Passaic River in this neighborhood. I'll take it. Is there some kind of severe drop off there

00:18:37.980 between the foreground? We'll go back. We saw these guys a second ago. Michelle,

00:18:42.960 are these holy men walking on top of water? What's going on here? Why walk when you can ride,

00:18:48.120 you guys? When you have a ride like this, why would you want to walk? Is your oar hitting ground,

00:18:53.940 Michelle? Of course not.

00:18:59.420 That was the end of her career. That's my opinion. At NBC, she was gone shortly there.

00:19:03.200 Now she wants to lecture us all on how evil MAGA is and her horror at being exposed to the closeted

00:19:10.680 Republicans and their views on the IVs and climate change and so on. What do you make of it?

00:19:17.340 You know, the people at that dinner party remind me probably likely of the firemen who were just

00:19:20.700 walking right past her. People who actually probably had something more worthy to do that

00:19:25.140 were actually there for purpose, had little regard for her presence there or whatever antics she was

00:19:29.660 taking on. And, you know, that probably looks like a woman who's been doing this her entire career.

00:19:33.180 So it seems like the same pattern continues. This is a big part of the reason I'm actually,

00:19:38.600 there's a lot of things I'm looking at doing with my time, but launching, relaunching a podcast,

00:19:42.840 why am I going to take the time to do that is this gives me a motivation to exactly engage in the kind

00:19:47.280 of conversations that American people are hungry for, regardless of what the mainstream media is

00:19:52.260 stuffing down their throats. And I think it just typifies how the whole thing has actually become

00:19:57.220 a charade. It's not just a sort of form of lying, Megan. I think mainstream media has lied about a

00:20:01.880 whole range of topics. And I've talked about this extensively during the race. You've talked about

00:20:05.440 it extensively for the last 10 years. Nonetheless, I think it's not just the lie. It's the pageantry

00:20:11.000 around the lie that I think is actually far more bothersome. It's a production. It's almost like

00:20:15.680 it's not just a lie. A lie is anymore pretending to be that you're in the interest of objective news,

00:20:21.280 but you're telling somebody false information. I think it's become closer to like a Broadway production

00:20:26.600 in the same way that she's putting on a show. She recognizes, and they're even talking about it on air,

00:20:31.880 why would you walk when you could instead be pretending to row? That's effectively what

00:20:36.720 they're doing in the totality of their other reporting too. She could just be talking about

00:20:40.500 the actual disagreements, the policy disagreements that she has between Republicans who are in that

00:20:44.740 same room. And there's such a more interesting direction to go. It's like the equivalent of if

00:20:48.760 she had just been reporting and interviewing those firemen. But instead, what they're actually

00:20:52.640 creating is an alternative production that I think historically that business, maybe they think

00:20:58.400 they're entertaining their audience, but it isn't even entertaining anymore. And I think that once

00:21:03.800 you see that, you get closer to the flame of what's going on. It's not just they're spewing

00:21:07.740 falsehood. It's like the equivalent of putting on a theatrical production and one that, like most

00:21:13.500 theatrical productions, is failing. And I think that that's why it's going to come to an end very soon.

00:21:17.040 So you've set up my next clip perfectly, which is of Lawrence O'Donnell speaking of NBC. This is him

00:21:22.800 on MSNBC freaking out about the fact that yesterday at Trump's trial, what they spent most of the day

00:21:29.380 doing was documenting the payments that were ultimately made to Stormy Daniels and the receipts

00:21:36.260 of how that was done. Of course, no one's denying that the payment was made, but they need to get that

00:21:43.380 in front of the jury. It was not an exciting day in court, but it was to Lawrence O'Donnell. Watch.

00:21:50.260 They wrote it down. The conspiracy was written out on paper. That is rare in criminal prosecutions.

00:21:59.980 Prosecutors are usually left explaining to juries that, you know, criminal conspirators don't write it

00:22:06.860 all down. But that is what they did in the Trump office on Fifth Avenue and in the White House.

00:22:15.580 Today, Donald Trump's jury was shown the handwritten conspiracy. Donald Trump's financial mastermind,

00:22:22.800 convicted felon Allen Weisselberg, put the conspiracy in his handwriting on Michael Cohen's

00:22:30.940 bank statement. And then another financial officer in the Trump shop, put the whole thing in his

00:22:37.240 handwriting on Trump company stationery. Final handwriting in the conspiracy presenters of

00:22:42.520 the jury today were Donald Trump's signatures. Oh, my gosh. He had a breaking news, Kyron, up the

00:22:50.160 entire time breaking news. It's no one's trying to hide it. Right. We understood that these payments

00:22:56.180 were made. This was a perfunctory day in court. This was not the apex of the prosecution's case,

00:23:01.340 but the media can't get enough of it. It's like crack to them. That's right. I mean, it's an

00:23:08.200 addiction. It's a breaking news. He's like breaking the news, like breaking the existence of actually

00:23:13.400 distinguishing what is important to report to the public versus not. And it just bothers the heck.

00:23:19.060 I mean, he has no clue when he's describing this to his audience base as they wrote down the

00:23:23.940 conspiracy. Just if you had any first idea of the backdrop of what this case was about,

00:23:28.680 like let's just hear the first clue about this case, this allegation of falsifying business

00:23:34.600 records, right, which is the first and state-based, the New York-based charge that Alvin Bragg is

00:23:39.540 bringing, A, that's outside the statute of limitations, but B, at most, even if that alleged

00:23:45.020 conspiracy, I think a lot of that is actually also false and mischaracterized, but at most,

00:23:48.660 that would be charged and could only be charged under the law as a misdemeanor. Unless you make

00:23:55.240 up all of this other nonsense about this being a constructive campaign contribution that wasn't

00:24:00.820 recorded as a campaign contribution, which, as we talked about before, rests on a completely flawed

00:24:05.700 legal theory on its own, and it's completely misleading their audience of creating, again,

00:24:10.280 that atmosphere. It's all about atmosphere. It's all about vibe of pretending like this is some

00:24:15.780 sort of devious conspiracy, and you put up images of different handwritten documents. The audience

00:24:20.760 doesn't know what to make of it, and the whole point isn't that their audience is too stupid to

00:24:24.660 follow. It's the fact that these people were reporting to them, or actually too stupid to report

00:24:28.700 on it, but have just created this atmosphere, this vibe, the equivalent of that other woman with her

00:24:33.200 theatrical production rowing across that river when, in fact, somebody could have just walked

00:24:37.440 straight across it as we saw in real time. That's the equivalent of what they're doing with their

00:24:42.540 portrayal of these documents, when, in fact, the average viewer, if what you need is actually

00:24:49.080 somebody explaining to them what's actually going on, it's the equivalent of those firefighters

00:24:51.960 walking straight across, and that's what's missing in most of the media today. But, you know,

00:24:56.340 we can't just sit here and complain about what they're doing. They're in the dying business.

00:25:00.020 And, you know, what we need is more alternatives to people to be able to explain to ordinary

00:25:03.320 Americans, hey, here's what's actually going on, and more people are hungry to seek that information

00:25:07.460 out for themselves. They've been lied to systematically for the last 10 years. Most people

00:25:12.160 understand the basic premise that, you know what, you fool me once, shame on me, and fool me twice,

00:25:17.820 fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. And I think that people are hungry for checking

00:25:23.300 what they're hearing through MSNBC or through NBC News or CNN, and I think that's a good thing.

00:25:28.520 And so this is part of, I take it to be a growing up of our culture. We have, I think, in the last 10

00:25:33.960 years growing up, Megan, I think that's why we're seeing the decline and the influence of, of

00:25:38.760 histrionics like this from MSNBC. And, you know, I take that as a mark of progress. It's a good thing.

00:25:43.320 Mm-hmm. All right. One other point on the media. The president of ABC just got booted. She says she's

00:25:50.940 retiring. She was reportedly forced out, Kim Godwin. And as she goes, you've got the National Association

00:25:59.000 of Black journalists criticizing ABC for basically getting rid of a Black woman. Um, they're saying

00:26:07.660 we're concerned over recent media reports that seem to be written with the intention of undermining the

00:26:12.940 leadership of the first Black woman to take the helm of a global news organization. So you're not allowed

00:26:16.980 to criticize her because she's, she's the first Black woman to head a news organization. Many of the latest

00:26:22.000 articles surrounding her leadership fail to demonstrate basic journalism by providing alternative

00:26:27.140 viewpoints. They want more in the articles about how she was actually the greatest thing since sliced

00:26:31.840 bread, even though her bosses didn't seem to think so. And neither did her underlings, according to the

00:26:36.440 reports I've read, including by Oliver Darcy, who claims to have spoken to some dozens of internal

00:26:41.920 ABCers. There seems to be an intentionality to cite anonymous sources as Godwin's detractors,

00:26:49.100 coupled with the use of derogatory or stereotypical terms to describe her. Meantime, these reports are

00:26:55.020 totally ignoring sources and facts that speak to Godwin having significant support inside the

00:26:59.500 organization. Um, now let me tell you what's happened. She's gone now, but this didn't work. Uh, she got

00:27:05.160 canned or she says retired early. Um, this is what this group does. I'll just say for, for background, when I

00:27:11.900 went over to NBC, the same group came out and threw a fit because the woman who had been in my time slot prior to

00:27:17.320 me was Tamron Hall, who happens to be black. And when NBC called the national association of black

00:27:23.680 journalists to say, what do you, why are you giving us such a hard time about this? We have plenty of black

00:27:27.980 prominent faces at NBC. They said, we're just doing a favor. Somebody called in a favor, which is clearly

00:27:35.600 Tamron Hall, right? Causes. So this is what happens now, right? People who ascend to positions of power, whether it's as

00:27:44.320 an anchor or a network executive or a prosecutor, we've seen some of that in the Fannie Willis, Nathan

00:27:50.360 Wade, Marilyn Mosby, uh, who's just got, uh, in trouble. She's just got convicted twice of, uh, fraud

00:27:57.560 related behavior. She was former Baltimore prosecutor. They rise to these positions of power. If they happen

00:28:02.740 to be people of color sometimes, and when it doesn't work out, Vivek, they use the race thing as both a

00:28:09.520 sword and a shield, right? It's something that I'm fine to ride to the top. Like it's fine. If it's a

00:28:14.560 chip for me, it gets me this advanced position, but then if it doesn't work out, I get to play the

00:28:19.860 race card again. You see, and my termination is 100% because of my skin color or your negative reports

00:28:26.420 in the case of the NABG BJ are because of skin color. Meanwhile, as I point out in my case, someone

00:28:33.400 who happens to be black behind the scenes is using skin color as a weapon. Again, it's just,

00:28:38.360 it's everywhere. It's why it's so pernicious and these promotions based on race don't work out.

00:28:44.360 And then when things settle down, um, the natural consequences get ignored by these same cast of

00:28:50.100 actors. What do you make of it? Yeah. I mean, I think you hit the nail on the head. I think it's

00:28:54.580 starting to get a little bit old and I think it is fostering, unfortunately, Megan, a new wave of quiet

00:29:00.040 frustration that manifests as anti-black racism in this country that would not have existed,

00:29:04.660 but for this actual kind of racialized behavior. There was an article, it's a different type of

00:29:10.600 media, but it's the same type of media treatment of is a scientific media. This is back when I was

00:29:14.920 in still in the biotech industry that examined this detailed investigative piece. It was sort of in the

00:29:20.340 healthcare press. It was like, I mean, detailed investigative reporting, bombshell reporting

00:29:23.800 that found that black residents, so resident people in medical residency, those who are black

00:29:29.460 were systematically more likely to be fired than their white counterparts and didn't finish their

00:29:35.760 residency programs at the same rate, revealing a layer of systemic racism in the field of medicine

00:29:40.960 that had not previously been exposed. And it goes through all of the explanations of the data points

00:29:46.220 of how consistently, no matter what geography, no matter what institution, it was black people who

00:29:51.140 were more likely to be fired from their competitive residency programs midway through. I read the whole

00:29:56.520 article, the journalist, she must've been, I don't know if she was in, she was in an early stage of

00:30:00.080 her career. I assume she's a young journalist making a big bombshell story here. I just emailed

00:30:03.860 her afterwards and asked her, had you considered the possibility that systematically the people allowed

00:30:10.200 into med school and the system, systematically people who are allowed into residency programs

00:30:14.160 have lower scores when they're a particular race, in this case, black residents and black med students

00:30:20.180 are admitted systematically at lower scores. Is it surprising then that the people who actually

00:30:26.180 tended on average to have lower scores are the ones that aren't thriving in residency programs and

00:30:32.160 might that play some role, some impact on actually seeing a disparity in the races of people who

00:30:38.040 end up getting fired during residency? And her response was, I think it was genuine. She was just

00:30:42.300 I hadn't considered that. Thank you for pointing that out to me. And I think it shows, I mean,

00:30:46.440 this must be people who are younger in this profession of reporting on this have become so inculcated by the

00:30:52.100 narrative that I think it just takes basic analysis, somebody who points a basic obvious

00:30:58.080 fact that her own editors, her own publisher, her own supervisors should have for any base level of

00:31:04.340 reporting for a journalist at least called out one contrarian hypothesis that didn't have a single

00:31:09.540 mention in a 2000 word investigative bombshell piece. And I think it shows, you know, most people see

00:31:14.880 through that. Right. And so I do think it is fostering this kind of new wave of racism, even

00:31:21.920 anti-black racism that we otherwise wouldn't have seen, because when you tell people you can't

00:31:25.940 criticize somebody, you can't air your opinion that manifests itself in new and more toxic ways.

00:31:32.120 And so I think it's unhealthy across the board. And yes, if you have people systematically put into

00:31:36.500 their jobs that wouldn't have otherwise gotten that job on the basis of their genetic attributes like

00:31:41.380 race or gender or sexual orientation or anything else, then if you apply meritocratic criteria

00:31:46.800 afterwards, you are going to see a disparity in who's fired or not. It's not a controversial thing to say

00:31:52.020 if you've got your job because of race, but then you're measured based on performance. Yes, I think it is

00:31:56.520 likely that people of people of certain demographic attributes may be more likely to get fired from those

00:32:01.600 positions. I think the right answer across the board is forget the attribute of race or gender or sexual

00:32:07.600 orientation in the first place and just hire the best person for the job. If it's in journalism,

00:32:11.660 who's actually going to do the best journalistic work and report that to their audiences? If it's

00:32:15.420 in medicine or in science or engineering or whatever it is. And I think that ironically, then you're going

00:32:19.840 to see less of those disparities and firings on the back end. Most people know this intuitively,

00:32:25.020 but when you force them to bottle it up, I think they start to harbor animus, even racial animus. And

00:32:30.500 the very people who are supposedly fighting racism through these anti-racist efforts are the ones actually

00:32:35.720 throwing the kerosene, throwing the fuel on the final burning embers of racism in the first place,

00:32:40.820 starting the whole cycle all over again. And I sadly, Megan, I think that's where we are.

00:32:45.520 It's so true, Vivek. I feel like we're just in the beginning of this wave where all these DEI

00:32:51.740 programs, which now are being renamed, now they're just changing them to inclusion because DEI has been

00:32:56.840 adequately stigmatized. Now it's just inclusion or our old school in New York has now really renamed

00:33:02.260 DEI to belonging, which it's just about belonging, which is a nicer word for a very problematic thing.

00:33:10.400 So as a result of all these programs, all these folks who were, you know, maybe not qualified

00:33:15.800 were elevated based on skin color or their lady parts or their heritage. And maybe some will make

00:33:22.780 it because they're, they have the merit and, and many won't. And then, and so this is the beginning

00:33:27.660 wave of let's see how they do. And if they don't do well, they're going to blame that too on race.

00:33:31.960 And what's the end result of that going to be a hesitancy to hire these people. So this whole game,

00:33:38.100 it does not in order to the benefit of the very people they hope to elevate.

00:33:42.740 Oh, it's self-defeating of course, Megan, but I think that that's why they're codifying a lot of

00:33:46.720 those on the front end as well. It's an interesting jujitsu move that you described. You now are going to

00:33:51.340 see a retreat in the use of the word DEI, different word, same concept. You actually see that in the

00:33:56.620 corporate sphere as well. You know, ESG has earned itself a negative valence, a negative connotation

00:34:01.620 as well. I founded a firm called Strive that competes against BlackRock. We pushed hard on

00:34:06.500 this. Now, what are we, what are we seeing is a retreat from the use of that term, but they call

00:34:10.940 it sustainable investing or whatever it is. Instead of adopting the same sort of social criteria,

00:34:15.420 but they know this is going to have a discursive effect on stopping the hiring of those people on

00:34:20.760 the front end on the base of democratic demographic attributes. And so that's why those are codified in

00:34:25.820 some senses of quota systems. But where that then goes upstream is it still hurts the very people

00:34:30.180 it was supposed to help, not because they're less likely to be hired necessarily, because there are

00:34:34.860 still effective, hard quota systems to make sure that they're filled, but in the attitudes that

00:34:40.060 people have towards them. And I think that's the most unfortunate aspect of it at all.

00:34:43.880 Yeah. That's the scariest piece.

00:34:46.020 I mean, it's really, it's really sad, actually. I've been in environments that built companies,

00:34:49.540 built organizations where I don't look at, I could care less about what somebody's demographic

00:34:53.820 attributes are. I care how good they're going to be at doing the job, which happens to have resulted

00:34:57.920 in hiring multiple black women in positions of executive power. I didn't hire them for that

00:35:02.920 reason. I hired them because I thought they'd be the best person for the job. But one of the things

00:35:06.580 that happened was you saw a lot of frustration from people around them and would say, you know,

00:35:10.920 and it made me sad. In one of those settings, she happened to be a very highly paid person,

00:35:15.140 high ranking in the organization. And you'd have people scuttlebutt around the people who couldn't make

00:35:20.060 it in the same way that she did saying, oh, she only got her job because of her race and gender.

00:35:23.940 When in fact, in the context that I was operating the company, that was flatly false. And I think

00:35:29.200 that's the sad consequence of this is it does hurt the very people it was supposed to help,

00:35:33.140 not necessarily because they're not going to get the jobs or whatever, but because they're going to

00:35:36.020 be viewed differently. I mean, somebody like Ben Carson has been through this his entire career,

00:35:40.380 ended up graduating at the top of his class, but wasn't regarded in the same way because many of the

00:35:45.240 people who looked like him are known to have gotten that position in the field of medicine or

00:35:49.940 whatever else because of these racial quota systems. And I think that in that sense, it leaves

00:35:54.560 us worse off, literally creating a form of racism. I'm not just talking about the anti-white and anti-Asian

00:36:02.560 racism that's embedded into the entire program of affirmative action and the DI agenda. There's a lot

00:36:08.320 of that anti-white and anti-Asian racism. And, you know, a lot of people will say there's no such thing

00:36:12.360 as anti-white racism. I disagree. Any disagreement, any discrimination on the basis of race is

00:36:17.280 definitionally racism and it's problematic, but it's not just the anti-white and anti-Asian racism.

00:36:21.620 And also illegal. The law recognizes it as illegal. Keep going. Sorry.

00:36:25.080 Yes, it does. It's a good reminder to people. It is illegal. But even worse than that, the net

00:36:30.320 consequence of that is it actually throws, fans the flames of even an anti-black racism that otherwise

00:36:37.500 would have retreated to irrelevance, right? Once you reach the promised land that the civil

00:36:42.540 rights activists wanted in the 1960s, it's precisely that you have this sort of masochistic

00:36:47.960 desire to restart the whole cycle. And that's exactly what's happening, hiding in plain sight

00:36:53.780 before us today. Yeah. I'm going to take a break, but I will say we're on the tail end now of a four

00:36:59.680 year period where the country lost its mind post George Floyd and got rid of SAT scores, started to

00:37:08.380 discount actual grades. Then, you know, went full DEI in terms of its admissions to all these ivies.

00:37:15.480 And now they've inflated the grades. So now these same folks who got into Harvard and Yale,

00:37:21.700 who otherwise would not have been admitted, are just getting A's and A minuses as a gift.

00:37:27.500 It's not because they've earned it. And then there'll be a pathway into med school

00:37:31.320 for based on those same falsities. And at some point they're going to hit corporate America or

00:37:37.040 medical America, God forbid. And the realities of all that puffing up are going to hit them and the

00:37:43.080 rest of us. And that's when the shit's really going to hit the fan. All right, stand by. Vivek stays with

00:37:47.000 me. Quick break. Don't go away. You cannot tell me in the United States in 2024. Shut up. You cannot tell me

00:37:55.540 where I can or can't walk. These are terrorist supporters and they are supporting Hamas. What is worse,

00:38:02.860 me saying the F word or them praising Hamas and Hezbollah and the Ufis? I'm not the problem. No, I'm not the

00:38:08.900 problem. I'm a law abiding citizen. These people support terrorists. Why are you punishing me?

00:38:13.440 Can we get some space, please? Can we just raise your voice?

00:38:15.820 Okay. I'm not going to raise my voice. Okay. I'm not raising my voice. Excuse me. Excuse me.

00:38:20.200 So I can't stop you from coming. Okay. I cannot. And I'm not going to try. Okay. But I don't

00:38:26.800 understand what the purpose would be because I think you know where we're going to let him. And

00:38:32.440 do we want that? Respectfully, I am not the problem.

00:38:35.200 Please, if you need to cover up your face, cover up now.

00:38:40.720 Cover your face, guys.

00:38:41.620 I want to let all of you know you are not going to intimidate Jewish people. You can hide behind

00:38:46.900 your masks as long as you want. We will not be scared. Okay.

00:38:51.160 Unbelievable scenes. That was MIT, according to the Daily Wire. And one Jewish student handling

00:38:57.800 these protests, the anti-Israel protests, like a boss. I have to say it was perfectly done. I refuse

00:39:04.300 to pretend that I am the problem. Why are you telling me to not go on my campus, police officer?

00:39:10.100 Why don't you escort me right across my campus and through this encampment, as is your job?

00:39:15.700 And the cop, I believe, was out of line and saying, you knew you can do it, but you're

00:39:19.540 going to be disruptive. Who cares? It's his right. He's going to disrupt their takeover of

00:39:24.920 his campus. Vivek, what do you make of what's happening on the campuses right now?

00:39:29.420 I mean, what's happening on the campuses, first of all, we're learning a lot of this is

00:39:31.960 manufactured, Megan. These are not actually students. Second thing is, I think what we're seeing

00:39:35.740 is if you look at, I think it was Michigan's graduation, where you saw just the raucous

00:39:40.260 cheer at the commencement, 90 plus percent of people in the audience cheering as a few

00:39:45.060 of the disruptors to the proceedings were removed. I think the reality is most people

00:39:50.200 on the college campuses do not agree with the use of these disruptive tactics to destroy

00:39:56.960 their universities. So I personally think this actually presents a, not to take it to the

00:40:01.260 realm of politics for a second, but a political opportunity for Republicans. If they just have

00:40:05.120 the courage to show up this year on college campuses this fall, I mean, you look at swing

00:40:09.160 states, most of them have great college football teams. People are going to be tinged by what

00:40:12.720 ended up happening this spring. There's an opening to say, you know what, you might not

00:40:16.400 have thought of yourself as a patriotic pro-American conservative or whatever, but many people on

00:40:20.840 those college campuses are hungry for the alternative to what they're seeing set up in these artificially

00:40:25.740 set up encampments and artificially constructed building takeovers on their campuses. And

00:40:30.940 so I think that's the first learning is this is not just a supposedly a tyranny of the majority

00:40:36.440 that these people are standing up against chanting intifada. When in fact, if you listen to the audio,

00:40:41.760 many of them are chanting infitada. They don't even know the word they're supposed to be chanting,

00:40:45.800 but the majority of people on the campus don't agree with that. This is a tyranny of the fringe

00:40:51.060 minority. And that presents an opportunity for conservatives for Republicans this year,

00:40:55.280 if they're willing to step up and seize it. The other thing I would say though,

00:40:58.780 as Megan is even many of those protesters who are supposedly protesting, they don't really know

00:41:04.360 what they're protesting for, especially those who are students, right? That example of people

00:41:08.660 chanting infitada, when in fact they're trying to say intifada, they don't even know what they're

00:41:13.980 saying. Right, exactly. It could be go to stada for all we know. And so I think it's just another

00:41:20.860 symptom of, you know, I think that there's a, I mean, it's so, it's understandable that there's

00:41:25.980 the debate about antisemitism, but I think it's a symptom of something deeper that's going on,

00:41:30.540 which is a generation that is truly lost for purpose. Not the whole generation,

00:41:36.860 but the fringe minority still, even that fringe minority is really just hungering for purpose

00:41:41.960 and meaning and identity. And they are looking for it any place they can find it. It's like the

00:41:47.900 equivalent of, you know, you have these commercial parades in Manhattan and one week you'll have the

00:41:52.400 Dominican Republic parade. And the other week you'll have the Puerto Rico parade. And the next

00:41:55.960 week it'll be the India day parade. And when I used to live in Manhattan, when I was in my early

00:42:00.740 twenties, one of the things you would notice is it was the same people in each of the parades.

00:42:04.520 They were just paid people who were doing, you know, the same music and backflips. And that's fine.

00:42:09.260 There's nothing wrong with that in that context, but that's what it reminds me of here,

00:42:12.920 where the same people who are marching for one cause in the aftermath of George Floyd's death

00:42:17.360 are the same people setting up encampments and quasi violent riots in a different context.

00:42:22.900 They are starving just as other people are doing it for money in the context of commercial parades.

00:42:27.660 In this case, they're doing it in a perpetual search for satisfying their own hunger for purpose

00:42:33.920 and meaning. And I think that in response to it, we have to, if we really want to fix the problem

00:42:39.400 as a conservative movement here, I'll say we got to do better than just pointing out their endless

00:42:45.100 hypocrisies because they'll keep giving us endless hypocrisies. And I think we're going to be in this

00:42:48.980 constant cycling churn unless we offer an alternative vision to say, Hey, you're actually

00:42:54.220 hungering for a purpose. There's one of them represented in that flag right behind me,

00:42:58.200 the American flag. If you have a hunger to be part of something bigger than yourself,

00:43:02.220 that's what America actually offers. If you don't pledge allegiance to that flag,

00:43:07.240 you're going to pledge allegiance to quite a different flag instead. I think that's the

00:43:10.640 genesis of the transgender flag, why you'd see more transgender flags on the streets of

00:43:15.380 Washington DC in the month of June, then you do see American flags. And so if we want to get out

00:43:20.900 of this sort of cycle of psychologically deranged people latching onto causes, showing up to protest

00:43:28.060 when it's one cause today and a different one tomorrow, and the irony of standing for the

00:43:31.540 transgender cause and standing for the Hamas cause is they're fundamentally incompatible with one

00:43:35.560 another either. You know that if you want to try to go to most of the Middle East and hold up an

00:43:39.060 actual transgender flag, see how you're treated, it doesn't even make any sense that you're

00:43:43.920 espousing the same kinds of people espousing fundamentally incompatible causes on different

00:43:48.940 days of the week. It's a deeper hunger for purpose and meaning. And in that sense, I think it's actually

00:43:55.660 a reflection of a failure of the patriotic, pro-American, pro-conservative movement to offer

00:44:02.040 an alternative vision that's actually able to satisfy these people's search for purpose and meaning.

00:44:08.060 And so I think it's not so much that most of them are anti-Semitic as it is that they're

00:44:12.080 psychiatrically deranged, that they're lost. I don't say that in a disparaging way. I say it in a way

00:44:17.860 that reflects a deep-seated kind of mental illness that has really taken a foot of a generation in

00:44:23.480 America that if we're serious about fixing it, we're not going to do it by scolding it out of

00:44:27.920 existence. We'd have to call out these hypocrisies as they occur, but we got to do the harder work of

00:44:33.020 actually addressing the root cause of that mental ailment. And until we do, we're just going to see

00:44:38.400 more of this time and again.

00:44:41.180 That's fascinating. I think you're right about that. We've seen what looks very much like deranged

00:44:46.260 behavior. I mean, the students trying to pretend that they're just like the Selma marchers demanding

00:44:51.260 that we've, you know, ferret out Plan B and dental dams to them on their patriotic march. Like, no,

00:44:58.640 I think, go back to the history books. This is not how it works. We don't have to fund your abortion

00:45:03.240 while you're in the middle of your protest over your cause. But time and time again, we're seeing

00:45:08.720 these absurd examples of this behavior. But of course, as with anything in America, we overreact

00:45:15.100 to the news of the day. And I think you feel as I do about the latest example of that, which is this

00:45:22.460 so-called anti-Semitism bill that passed overwhelmingly in the House, where we're now

00:45:28.060 trying to redefine in the law the definition of anti-Semitism. It passed 320 to 91, 70 Democrats and

00:45:38.780 21 Republicans voted against the measure, but overwhelmingly popular. And the new definition

00:45:44.820 of anti-Semitism is going to recognize a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as a

00:45:52.260 hatred toward Jews. And then there are examples, including accusing Jews as a people of being

00:45:59.640 responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group

00:46:04.420 and making dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews, such as the power of Jews

00:46:09.800 as a collective. This is crazy to me, Vivek, that it is not illegal to be a racist, to be a bigot,

00:46:19.600 to be an anti-Semite, to be a transphobe. In America, it's illegal to make hiring-firing decisions based

00:46:27.260 on that, harassment based on that. But we've lost our way if this thing passed as healthily as it did.

00:46:34.460 Absolutely, Megan. And this brings even some of our earlier discussions full circle. We talked about

00:46:40.060 in the context of the Donald Trump gag order, what does the First Amendment mean? It means you get to

00:46:45.460 express all opinions, right, regardless of the content of that opinion. So then, you know, I see

00:46:51.160 these people on college campuses are hungering for purpose and meaning. There's a great purpose,

00:46:55.360 the United States of America. That's a purpose that can fulfill your hunger to be part of something

00:46:59.520 bigger than yourself. And what is America? It is a place where you get to express any opinion.

00:47:04.800 No, that doesn't mean you get to disrupt the way a college campus operates. No, that doesn't mean

00:47:08.260 that you get to disrupt the way that a commencement proceeding operates so that you're able to be

00:47:11.820 violent. That's not the expression of an opinion. But if you're talking about the basic expression of

00:47:16.380 an opinion, no matter how heinous that opinion is, and I do think it is heinous to be able to make

00:47:20.560 comparisons of Israel to Nazi Germany. It's disgusting, but it is an opinion. And what makes America great,

00:47:26.740 what makes America itself is that you get to express those opinions. And so in many ways,

00:47:31.880 what the conservative movement should be doing is standing for the ideals that this country was

00:47:36.120 founded on and use that to lead the lost, deranged, mentally ill, Gen Z and generationally lost members

00:47:43.340 of the other side to say, hey, here's what it means to be an American. Instead, what we're actually

00:47:48.200 doing in response, many of us, I mean, not us, but many people who have a little R after their name

00:47:53.240 in serving the House of Representatives, is to adopt the same methods of the left in a way that

00:47:59.220 actually erodes our own moral authority to talk about things like free speech, to be able to say

00:48:03.540 there are certain opinions that legally cannot be expressed. And Megan, this is not a bill that was

00:48:08.080 proposed. This is a bill that has passed Congress, the larger of the two chambers of the Congress,

00:48:14.800 now awaiting passage into law in the United States Senate. I think it completely erodes any moral

00:48:21.460 authority that we have to ever preach about free speech if we are literally restricting the content

00:48:26.540 of speech or opinions that can be expressed and codifying that in a federal statute.

00:48:31.980 It's disgusting. And I think that we need, we're at a moment where we actually need more debate within

00:48:38.120 the right. I think that there is a risk of papering over a lot of those disagreements in an era of an

00:48:45.280 election year about foreign funding for wars, even in places like Ukraine or elsewhere,

00:48:49.520 to surveillance state measures, FISA 702, to speech restrictions here at home. That's one of

00:48:54.860 the things I'm hoping to do on my podcast is actually open up into the open, even some of

00:48:58.540 the debates on the right, within the right, that we're not having. I got to leave it there because

00:49:01.800 I'm up against a break. But Vivek, I hope everybody tunes in. It's the Truth Podcast. And as you heard

00:49:06.520 here today, he's always worth listening to. Thank you, my friend. Great to see you.

00:49:10.360 Thank you. All right. Coming up next, Buck Sexton is here. Don't go away.

00:49:18.700 We are getting reports that former porn star and porn director, what I really want to do is direct

00:49:25.020 all of the, well, yeah, you know, Stormy Daniels is expected to testify at the trial of Donald Trump

00:49:32.140 today. So get ready for the media to get excited. This is the most exciting thing to happen to the

00:49:39.380 nerds since Pamela Anderson. Yeah, probably since Pamela Anderson divorced. What's his name? Tommy

00:49:50.520 Lee. Or since Anna Nicole Smith went up to the U.S. Supreme Court. Yes, that's the real thing that

00:49:55.180 came into their world. And Kristi Noem's embarrassing media tour is continuing. My God,

00:49:59.680 why is she doing this to herself? She was like on the shortlist for VP. And now she's a national

00:50:04.240 laughingstock. Her book is officially out today. My next guest called Kristi Noem a

00:50:09.360 phony back in 2021. What did he know then? Buck Sexton is the co-host of the Clay and Buck show

00:50:15.140 and host of the Buck Sexton show. Buck, great to see you. Welcome back. Hey, Megan. Thanks for

00:50:20.720 having me. You, you're like a Nostradamus. I mean, that word in particular, a phony in light of her book

00:50:27.840 claiming originally that she met Kim Jong-un, that she stared him down because she was used to dealing

00:50:35.140 with little tyrants who underestimated her. It's all lies. She tried initially when this came out to

00:50:41.780 say, Oh, it was my team. And I had it corrected as soon as it was brought to my attention. That's

00:50:46.720 also a lie because she recorded the audio of it in her own voice saying the exact alleged lie.

00:50:52.540 Now they've had to pull all that from the audio book. It'll be on the bookshelves and Barnes and

00:50:59.280 Noble and elsewhere today because they couldn't get it out of the written book. Um, but it's out

00:51:03.420 of the electronic. And now she continues to try to dodge and weave around this error. If you want

00:51:12.700 to be super generous, here's just a sample of her on with Jesse waters last night. It's hot 20.

00:51:17.460 So they're also attacking you. I guess you said you met Kim Jong-un. Did you meet him?

00:51:24.380 I've been to the DMZ. I've been to North Korea. You know, people, I don't talk about my conversations

00:51:28.580 with world leaders. And so, uh, when I looked at the book and I saw that excerpt, I decided to

00:51:34.280 make the change to the content of the book and that's been done.

00:51:37.920 So you didn't have a conversation with Kim when you were at the DMZ?

00:51:40.740 I don't have conversations about my conversations with world leaders. I've been working on policy for 30

00:51:45.940 years, Jesse. And that's what most people don't remember about me is I'm old. I'm a, I'm a mom.

00:51:51.580 I'm a grandma. I've got three little grand babies. So maybe you did have a conversation with Kim,

00:51:56.180 but you don't want to talk. I will not talk about my personal conversations with any world leaders.

00:52:00.100 It just won't. And I'm not going to do it. What have you, I know. It's an absurdity. It's

00:52:08.340 infuriating. It's, I have to tell you, like as somebody who cross examined for a living for 10 years,

00:52:12.700 that kind of clip drives me insane, Buck. It drives me insane. There is a way

00:52:17.020 of pinning her down on her nonsense. And I've yet to see anybody do it.

00:52:21.500 Oh, well, this is who she is and who she's always been. I mean, you pointed out,

00:52:26.420 I appreciate you calling me Nostradamus. I just like to think that I have the, the tool set of a

00:52:31.620 CIA analyst from back in the day when we used to obsess over details and specifically veracity.

00:52:38.260 One thing about being an intelligence officer in the good sense, forget about all the deep state

00:52:42.240 stuff and all the things that have happened that people get upset about is that you have to spend

00:52:47.480 a lot of your time sifting through information and then verifying information because you generally

00:52:52.720 get a lot of stuff that is nonsense. And then the stuff that you think is good, you have to really,

00:52:57.340 really be sure. Okay. How does that apply to Kristi Noem? This is the Kristi Noem playbook and it's to

00:53:02.780 get caught being ridiculous and being a fraud and then to stare at people and say, well,

00:53:08.120 this is how we do things on the ranch, sir, and just act indignant. And, and people have been going

00:53:14.500 for this for years. I mean, you mentioned the little incident from a few years ago and people

00:53:19.420 also saw this on Tucker Carlson's TV show on Fox at around the same time. She very openly said she was

00:53:26.360 going to sign a bill that would have protected women when it comes to transgender men pretending to

00:53:31.920 be women in sports. And then she went back on that. And then she tried this whole routine of,

00:53:36.780 oh, it's a trial lawyer's dream. And, oh, you don't understand section 7259 of the South Dakota

00:53:43.200 constitution, sir. No, you lied. We actually just know you lied. We're not all stupid.

00:53:50.080 And, you know, I'll say this people who know me and have known my work, I mean, I've been doing this a

00:53:53.720 while, even back in the day when I was getting started. And Megan was so kind to have me on her

00:53:58.020 massive show on Fox and the A block talking about terrorism. Thank you, Megan.

00:54:01.720 Many, many times. But many times. And I always appreciate that. But, you know, you look at this

00:54:07.780 and you see how she's been doing this for a long time and there's nothing new really here. There's

00:54:14.960 nothing that I think people should understand. She's been pretending to be ultra conservative in a

00:54:22.120 very red state. And what she does is the moment she's challenged on something, she runs the same

00:54:29.120 routine, the same playbook that she always has in the past. And like, for example, on the transgender

00:54:35.180 bill, she tweeted that she was going to do it. And then she just created this whole nonsense about

00:54:40.200 how, well, no, actually, I never said, well, it's in writing. You clearly said it. But she exploits,

00:54:47.100 I think, a sense of identity and a sense of people feeling like they have a connection to her because of

00:54:54.180 her personal story or whatever it might be. And then she always goes on offense. And so she

00:54:58.740 essentially there's like a little mini gnome cult in the moment that you call her to to account.

00:55:05.720 She all of a sudden gets angry at you and she doesn't take accountability for it. And this is,

00:55:11.520 by the way, on COVID. She also decided not to protect people from vaccine mandates, private ones

00:55:16.520 in her state. Ron DeSantis made a different choice, but she got very upset.

00:55:20.620 That's one of the things that you guys, you guys fought over and had to dust up, whatever. Here's

00:55:25.860 a little bit of that from 2021.

00:55:31.680 When I'm not governor anymore, how do I know the next governor won't use that exact same precedent

00:55:36.880 to use it to limit the freedom?

00:55:38.420 But you are the governor now, Governor Noem. And right now we're at a point where there are

00:55:42.740 mandates going. People are having to get shots right now. People are facing losing their jobs

00:55:48.320 right now. Why not be a person who is taking a stand in favor of individual freedom, which I

00:55:54.460 believe is actually the primary purpose of the Constitution. Why not do that?

00:55:58.060 And there is nobody in this country that would say that no other governor took more heat over

00:56:04.700 defending liberty and freedom than I did this last year.

00:56:07.160 I mean, I think Governor Ron DeSantis might disagree, but keep going.

00:56:11.980 Keep going. You keep going, Buck.

00:56:13.560 Oh, it's just so obvious. And the truth is that she always points to not shutting down

00:56:19.540 her state during COVID. I haven't even gotten to the dog shooting, the bragging about the dog

00:56:24.200 shooting. We're going there. And we have the audio.

00:56:27.200 The dog shooting on top of the dog shooting and then making a joke about how she wants to shoot

00:56:31.040 the president's existing dog. This is like sociopathic. I'm sorry. I don't want to jump around

00:56:36.780 too much, but she's like a serial killer. Oh, I mean, on COVID, I sniffed this out because she

00:56:42.260 was playing this whole game and I saw what she did to Tucker on TV and I've seen what she's

00:56:46.380 tried with other people, which is everyone else is dumb, but her, you know, when you're speaking

00:56:51.140 to some of the smartest minds in media and you're speaking to people that have been in this game a

00:56:56.180 while and your response is always, you just don't know enough, sir. This is how we do it on the ranch

00:57:01.580 or whatever. You're the problem. And that's been the case with Christine Ohm for a long time. Her

00:57:06.280 aggressive strategy, uh, the little cult she's built around her and people all go, this is what

00:57:10.660 I wanted to get to before. Um, anyone who's known my work for a long time, I mentioned this to go on

00:57:15.060 your show. I don't attack people on the right. I generally have a no enemies to the right. I don't

00:57:20.380 pick fights with people. I love, I love the success of fellow radio hosts. I mean, I, I applaud the

00:57:27.060 daily wire doing cool stuff. I love Dan Bongino fighting for America. Like I'm on the team,

00:57:32.600 but when I see somebody who's being a fraud and taking advantage of people on my side who are

00:57:39.060 well-intentioned and who will want freedom and who want effective and competent leadership,

00:57:43.120 it does bother me, you know, when they're being lied to in a way that I think affects them.

00:57:47.580 So that's where the original thing with, with known came up and now, yeah, I mean, I was right. I was

00:57:53.100 right all along and I'm right now. And some of the people that have emailed me, you know,

00:57:56.380 years ago, why are you being so hard on her? I was like, because she's a phony and now everyone

00:58:00.720 knows she's actually kind of worse than a phony. She's a phony. She's a poser and she won't be

00:58:07.040 honest about her own shortcomings. Even when she's caught red-handed that exchange with Jesse

00:58:12.540 waters. I don't have conversations about my, my, I don't know about my conversations with world

00:58:16.620 leaders. I don't, no one's asking you about substance. We're asking you, did you meet with

00:58:22.740 him or didn't you? You're the one who brought it up, ma'am. You put it in your book. Did it happen

00:58:28.560 or didn't it? And by the way, when you then claim when it was brought to my, who brought it to your

00:58:33.980 attention? When, why did you read the audio book? When you read out loud, I met with Kim Jong-un and

00:58:38.820 I stared him down. Did it occur to you that you were telling a lie? Because most of us would have a very

00:58:43.060 clear memory if we had met with the leader of North Korea. It's kind of a big deal. Did you correct it

00:58:49.660 then? Were you embarrassed? Did you go back through tooth and comb over your entire ghostwritten memoir

00:58:54.700 to make sure there were no other errors? Because you also appear to have lied about a meeting with

00:58:58.280 Emmanuel Macron. How many lies are there in this book? And why should we believe you on anything,

00:59:03.820 especially now your revisionist history about why you really shot your puppy, which she's now claiming

00:59:08.640 the dog was basically a serial killer and not her. It was a, it was a 14 month old dog of a breed

00:59:16.060 that I'm familiar with and have, and have dealt with in the past. The notion that that kind of a

00:59:21.120 dog is a threat to people. She's again, she's lying. And for anyone who's like, well, why are we spending

00:59:27.160 time on this? She was the number one VP candidate, according to the betting markets. And this is the

00:59:33.920 kind of thing in a super tight election. What do I want? I want Donald Trump to win. I want Republican

00:59:39.680 majorities in the house and the Senate. I do not want some abject fraud to be the difference between

00:59:46.640 victory and defeat for the Republicans. How could I take any pride in my job if I would be silent

00:59:51.760 when I truly believe, and as you pointed out, I believe that for a long time, that this is somebody

00:59:56.300 who is dishonest with her own supporters and is dishonest with the American people and also brings

01:00:01.100 a kind of nastiness. And I haven't even gotten into the personal stuff and I won't because I don't

01:00:05.780 think I need to go there. But we've reported on it. You have reported on it. Yeah. The audience,

01:00:11.480 we reported on this show, the Daily Mail's in-depth reporting about her alleged affair with Corey

01:00:15.160 Lewandowski and the denials of which were absolutely pathetic and transparent. And I believe 100% it

01:00:22.640 happened. That's my opinion. I have excellent sourcing on this and I absolutely agree with you.

01:00:27.540 So I'll just, I'll say that. I mean, I have a lot of people that I know in DC and in political circles

01:00:31.820 and we talk a lot and guess what? But I'll put that aside because honestly, I don't want to be,

01:00:37.040 I don't want to be accused of being, having a double standard because, you know, some male

01:00:41.460 politicians obviously get away with a lot of stuff in that realm, but on the telling people the truth

01:00:46.380 about what you stand for and where you'll actually fight and whether you're a person of any integrity

01:00:50.360 whatsoever, Megan, I mean, I can't help but laugh. She's saying she won't talk about meetings with

01:00:55.200 world leaders based on a section of her book where she's talking about meetings with world leaders.

01:01:00.240 And she thinks this is, she prepared this. She went on Jesse water show and Jesse was, you know,

01:01:06.720 Jesse's a very nice guy. Jesse. I mean, I think he, I mean, I liked, you know, again, see, I don't

01:01:13.100 want to, I don't want to attack people on the right. We have communists. I'm not attacking Jesse. I've,

01:01:18.100 I've known Jesse a long time. I think he would take my, my feedback as Jesse. I didn't mean it like

01:01:24.200 that, but I'm just saying like, even just, you know, I don't, I don't want to call him out for

01:01:27.280 being a little too softer in the interview, but I mean, I think he was, but it's okay. I really

01:01:30.540 like Jesse. But the point is, she thought that was, people are looking to her for an answer on

01:01:35.980 this. She thinks that's a legitimate answer and she's defiant about it. Notice there's no sense

01:01:40.860 of remorse, whether it's the dog shooting story, which she included in the book and people can,

01:01:45.800 I love dogs and I tell everybody that. So I'm very honest with where I'm coming from.

01:01:49.040 She included that in her book because she thought it made her look like she makes tough decisions.

01:01:54.280 So she should possibly lead America, not just as vice president, everybody, the whole game plan

01:01:59.460 is vice president to president. And, and I'm sorry, like that to me, it's just a bridge way too far

01:02:05.700 for a person who has no record of actual legislative achievement to be proud of and lies in a way that

01:02:12.240 makes a mockery of all, it makes a mockery of all of us. Well, we're going to pull the lever and be

01:02:16.540 like, yeah, I'm so excited about the gnome candidacy. Really? Let me let, okay. So we finally have,

01:02:22.580 because the book hit today, including the audio version, Christy Noem in her own words,

01:02:27.360 describing the murder of the 14 month old puppy cricket. Uh, we've condensed it into a two minute

01:02:33.200 clip. Here it is. Cricket was a wire hair pointer about 14 months old. And she had come to us from a

01:02:41.000 home that had struggled with her aggressive personality. I was sure that she'd learn a lot

01:02:45.400 going out with our older dogs that day. I was wrong. Within an hour of walking the first field,

01:02:52.920 cricket had blown past the group, gotten too far ahead. She'd flushed up birds that were out of

01:02:59.360 range. Uh, she was out of her mind with excitement, chasing all those birds and having the time of her

01:03:05.060 life. The only problem was, was no, there was no hunters nearby to shoot the birds that she was

01:03:11.520 gearing up. I called her back to no avail. I hit her electronic collar to give her a quick tone to

01:03:17.820 remind her to listen. I then hit the button to give her a warning vibration that told her to come back

01:03:23.680 to me now. No response. The hunt was ruined and I was livid. Some neighbors who recently purchased a

01:03:33.200 puppy from us asked me to stop and to check on their pup on the way home. Suddenly out of the corner of

01:03:39.520 my eye, I caught a glimpse of cricket launching herself out of the back end of the pickup and

01:03:45.300 racing across the yard. All three of us chased cricket around in circles, flailing after her while

01:03:52.860 she systematically grabbed one chicken at a time, crunching it to death with one bite and then dropping

01:03:59.480 it to attack another. She was like a trained assassin. Eventually I got my hand on her collar and she

01:04:06.280 whipped around to bite me. There were bloodied bodies and feathers everywhere. When I got back

01:04:13.580 into my truck, cricket was sitting in the passenger seat, looking like she had just won the lottery.

01:04:18.760 The picture of pure joy. I hated that dog. As I drove home, I realized that I had no choice.

01:04:26.800 Cricket was untrainable and after trying to bite me, dangerous to anybody that she came in contact with.

01:04:32.880 A dog who bites is dangerous and unpredictable. Are you listening, Joe Biden? She was less than

01:04:40.160 worthless to us as a hunting dog. At that moment, I realized I had to put her down. As I pulled into

01:04:47.460 the driveway, I decided I had to deal with this problem myself. This was my dog and it was my

01:04:52.760 responsibility and I would not ask somebody else to clean up my mess. I stopped the truck in the middle

01:04:58.420 of the yard. I got out my gun, grabbed cricket's leash, and I let her out into the pasture and down

01:05:04.360 into the gravel pit. It was not a pleasant job, but it had to be done. There you have it in her own words.

01:05:14.820 So a few things about this. And I, you know, the people in the, in your audience who are dog lovers,

01:05:20.520 I have a ton of them in my audience. I think they know where I'm coming from. I'll try to get past

01:05:25.820 the horror of thinking that this is some kind of a cool story to show that, you know, you'll make

01:05:31.900 the tough decisions, you know, to shoot your own. As a 14-month-old dog, I want to analyze this as

01:05:36.880 objectively as I can. Why is she including, and people say, oh, this doesn't matter. Really? This

01:05:41.900 person wants to be president of the United States. I think it matters a lot, actually. But put that

01:05:45.680 aside. And then also talking about how she shot the goat because she didn't like the goat and

01:05:49.060 everything else. Same day, by the way. And has video, or has photos of her the same day that she's put

01:05:53.520 horses down? She takes photos of this to commemorate it. Like, does that seem normal?

01:05:57.620 How many people listening to this have photos of them celebrating horse put down day when they

01:06:02.160 shoot their horse? Okay. All right. So those are all facts. Those are not a dispute. She said she

01:06:07.180 brings up all of the issues of it being bad at hunting. So, so were you, are you killing? And she

01:06:13.760 said she hated it before the incident where it tried to bite her. It sounds to me like she thinks the

01:06:18.460 dog isn't worthwhile enough to her as a hunting dog. So she's going to kill it. I mean, that that's the

01:06:22.860 part, or at least she's moving in that direction. And then when she says the dog turned around to

01:06:26.720 bite her, it didn't bite her. I have a puppy. Puppies nip and are playful and get overexcited

01:06:32.800 all the time. Somebody should look up the breed of dog that this is. It's not an 85 pound pit bull.

01:06:38.960 Okay. This is a little bird dog. It's like a midsize sporting dog. The idea that this is a danger to

01:06:44.540 people, any dog would go after chickens. It's a 14 month old dog. And she could have given it away.

01:06:50.020 Megan, this is a true story. I have a friend who is an absolutely avid hunter, sportsman,

01:06:54.800 everything else. He had, I think it was the same breed of dog. It looked very similar.

01:06:59.320 Was not a good bird dog at all. Just, he's like, it was untrainable. He loves his new bird dog so

01:07:04.100 much. He had it cloned, which is a whole other conversation. So he could have the same dog.

01:07:08.760 So this guy's really into his bird dogs. This guy's really, you know what he did when he had a dog

01:07:12.700 that he couldn't train? He said, I hired everybody. He found a single mom who was a family friend who had a

01:07:17.240 little boy who wanted a dog. They love that dog. What is she doing? This whole thing about how she

01:07:24.660 had to put the dog down. She had to go kill it. I don't know. Maybe give it a day. Maybe think about

01:07:29.860 it. This dog had lived with her for 14 months, never bitten anybody before one bite and she kills it.

01:07:35.460 This is horrifying judgment in the act and horrifying judgment to tell the story. And I'm just going to

01:07:42.480 say this. There are people who, unfortunately, and this always happens. If you ask it at the FBI,

01:07:47.660 why aren't frauds reported more? You know why frauds aren't reported more? I mean, monetary frauds,

01:07:51.840 because people are embarrassed that they were taken in by it. So the actual number of fraud that

01:07:56.640 occurs, the monetary number, much bigger than what is officially reported because nobody wants to say,

01:08:02.040 oh yeah, like I sent the fake Prince $10 million or, you know, whatever. They'd probably tell them

01:08:06.080 that, but I sent them 50 grand. You know, nobody wants to admit this. Kristi Noem fooled a lot of

01:08:11.060 people and she fooled a lot of great people, people from rural America, people from South Dakota,

01:08:16.620 people who believed in her. And I understand that there is this sense, look, I voted for Mitt Romney

01:08:21.540 in 2012. Nobody's perfect, right? But let's look at reality and let's see what she has shown us. And

01:08:28.340 let's make a conscious and real decision as Republicans to have some standards of truth

01:08:35.360 and forthrightness and judgment in our politicians. I mean, that's basically where I come down on this.

01:08:41.880 Yes, I agree with all of that. I thought she was great too, I admit. And we really wrestled about

01:08:47.820 whether we would even report the Corey Lewandowski news because I really was her fan, but it was a big

01:08:52.780 story. And my feeling was we would report this if it were about a man, if it were about somebody on

01:08:58.780 the short list, you know, being considered for VP, we would report it and we're not going to treat her

01:09:03.420 differently just because she's a woman. So, and by the way, there are pictures and there's a lot,

01:09:07.660 there's a lot behind that particular allegations. It does. It's not one of those things that was just

01:09:11.660 hurled. Um, but the, there's a lot to digest in here. And I wanted to make a couple of comments as

01:09:16.700 well. So she's upset because the dogs scurried the birds around when there was no hunter nearby.

01:09:22.780 To shoot, he flushed up the birds. She cricket out of range. Oh, dumb ass dog who didn't understand

01:09:30.320 exactly how Christie known wanted it to hunt, even though it was just a puppy. Um, and she several

01:09:35.380 times the dog was having the time of her life. Uh, she talks about how she looked like she'd won the

01:09:42.440 lottery. She was the picture of pure joy. I hated that dog. Why did she hate her? She hated the dog.

01:09:48.700 She didn't hunt right on her first time out. The dog, by the way, had just been shocked. It's

01:09:53.800 fine. I understand the shock collar and she hated her because when the dog was killing chickens,

01:09:59.700 which I'm convinced at least my stradwick would do. And they see chicken the way we see chicken

01:10:04.220 like food. Like they don't understand, you know, the modern niceties of how you're supposed to be

01:10:09.660 around chickens running. They see it's food, it's prey. And it, by the way, it's in the dog's nature.

01:10:13.980 That's why you hire it to help on a hunt to go retrieve the dog. I mean, the, the retrieve the

01:10:18.480 bird. Anyway, I'm sure my stradwick would eat chickens if I put him around and he's the sweetest

01:10:23.540 lug that you'd ever find in your life. Um, and she seemed, if you hear the audio to take delight in

01:10:29.880 it, she wants us to believe that it was a tough decision because it would be a tough decision for

01:10:34.320 anyone else. It would definitely be tough to decide to kill your innocent 14 year old puppy.

01:10:38.420 That is a tough one. Um, but it, it, it shouldn't have, it wasn't for her because she was motivated

01:10:44.900 by anger and she clearly hated her dog. And I would submit is not an animal lover in any way.

01:10:50.980 Absolutely. I mean, I would want, why didn't she include in this memoir, which is all an act of,

01:10:55.180 let's be honest, political memoirs are an act of propaganda, which propaganda is not always bad,

01:11:00.080 but it's meant to, it's meant to be, this was meant to be a launch pad into national,

01:11:05.520 true national politics, a vice presidential or cabinet role and a future run at the presidency

01:11:10.420 for her. Everybody knows it. It's obvious from her little like spokesperson who's running around

01:11:16.020 sharing polls all summer about how she's the VP that they fear most and all this kind of stuff.

01:11:21.580 So this is not some, uh, some theory. We all know what the game plan was here. She's writing this

01:11:27.140 memoir. Why not say, I mean, did she cry? Did she cry after she had to shoot her own dog?

01:11:32.720 Obviously not. Cause she hated the dog. So she shot the dog in anger. Is that the kind of decision

01:11:37.660 that you make when you're in a bad mood? I'm going to go kill the family dog. It had lived with her

01:11:42.060 for 14 months. By the way, depending on who you ask, puppies become adult dogs anywhere from 12 to 18

01:11:48.420 months. So this whole game that some of the gnome supporters play, it's not a puppy. I mean, it's

01:11:53.740 basically a puppy. It's a puppy. Okay. And if you're fighting about whether or not it's a puppy,

01:11:59.260 when you're talking about killing a dog under these circumstances, you're already losing.

01:12:03.380 Um, but I mean, it's, it's interesting to see, I'll tell you, I got a lot of pushback on my show.

01:12:08.820 You know, Clay is not, I have a dog. I grew up with dogs and I love them. And maybe I have an

01:12:13.360 irrational attachment to canines. Like I think that there are family members.

01:12:16.780 My audience is totally with us. There are some who said, all right, maybe,

01:12:19.640 but they could see why this is controversial as well. I mean, the vast majority are with us.

01:12:23.780 And Clay, Clay, you know, my cohost on our fabulous show, uh, Clay tried to be very,

01:12:29.560 he's not a dog guy. Um, so he just took the perspective of to share this story is such

01:12:34.880 political malpractice that that alone, I mean, to think that people, to think that if you're

01:12:39.620 going to win over suburban moms in Pennsylvania and Arizona, which is the only reason you're being

01:12:45.200 considered by the way, that's the only reason you're being considered as VP. Correct. And the

01:12:49.440 only thing here is to get women, married women voters in the suburbs to really go for Trump.

01:12:56.080 Okay. That is your whole life as VP. You had one job and you're telling this story about,

01:13:01.280 oh yeah, on the ranch, we just handle the business ourselves. The whole thing,

01:13:05.540 it was political malpractice, but Clay wasn't coming down on her as hard. I mean,

01:13:09.680 I think it bothered him, but as hard on the shooting of the dog itself, because people say, well,

01:13:13.560 she was doing the whole, it was a danger. And what about old Yeller? I'm like,

01:13:17.100 old Yeller had rabies, everybody. Okay. It was a mercy. It was a mercy killing. Okay. No one's

01:13:23.140 saying that when you put it, and then people say, well, I put my dog down when it was 15. I'm like,

01:13:27.140 yeah, it was a mercy after a long and wonderful life with your family. Everyone does. Why? I don't

01:13:32.420 know people, but there's such a desperation to defend her horrible conduct. I bring it up because

01:13:36.740 with the North Korea thing, now it's fine. Now it's just the people, you know, now it's flat. Now

01:13:43.060 it's flat earther land. Now, if you don't see who we're dealing with here, do you know how many people

01:13:46.600 have met? I mean, again, I worked in the CIA. I ran two presidential briefings. It was me,

01:13:50.600 the president running into the CIA, vice president in the room. I have some idea of how this stuff

01:13:54.940 goes. The number of people who have met with Kim Jong-un who are American, who are senior level

01:14:00.520 officials. I think you could count them maybe on two hands, maybe on one. I mean, it is tiny.

01:14:05.860 It would be a huge deal. And what you're seeing is the governor of South Dakota is not on the list,

01:14:08.860 Buck? I mean, I think this is when she was a congresswoman too. I mean,

01:14:12.500 it's like, I haven't read the book yet, but I'm assuming you're a no-name congresswoman from South

01:14:17.340 Dakota. And you think you're going to be like chilling out with Kim Jong-un and staring him

01:14:21.700 down. It's fantasy land garbage. But the reason somebody could include that in a book like this

01:14:27.860 is they're so used to just having the people who like her. And there are guys and Megan, I can't speak

01:14:34.780 from this perspective there, but you know, there are guys who they see she's attractive. You know,

01:14:41.360 I live in the real world. She's a, she's a good looking woman and they give her more than a little

01:14:46.760 leeway because of it. I'm not saying this is exactly what pisses me off. Some people will accuse me

01:14:52.740 sometimes of being too hard on my own sex. It's not that I'm too hard on my own sex. It's that I have

01:14:56.740 very high standards for them and I know they can meet them. I, I refuse to lower the bar for

01:15:01.900 performance for my own sex. I know what we're capable of. We can be all the things and I don't,

01:15:08.980 her behavior, her stories about herself are as fake as her hair. It's gotten to the point where

01:15:13.680 she's trying to glam herself up. She's trying to, she has to decide whether she wants to be a pinup

01:15:17.100 girl who's like got the guns and it's super tough, or she wants to be a leader who's smart and sober

01:15:21.880 and could take this country into the next generation. She's ruined the second possibility

01:15:26.820 with all of this nonsense. I see her entirely differently than I used to before. And the lying

01:15:31.880 about it has made it even worse. I mean, it, in revising the dog story in the wake of the

01:15:36.200 controversy, she's changed it to the dog had attacked people who that's not what you said

01:15:42.940 in your book. That would have been a detail you should have and would have included. All you said

01:15:46.880 was the dog tried, but didn't to bite you, not people, not a danger to your kids. And by the way,

01:15:53.040 it was when you were trying to take a high value item out of its mouth, a dead chicken,

01:15:57.400 any animal would be reluctant to, to part with it. So she's lying even in the wake of it. And by the

01:16:04.480 way, did you see the reports today? She wanted to include this dog story in her first book about

01:16:11.000 not my first rodeo. That's what we had her on for in 21. And some smart advisors around her said

01:16:16.800 that would be very stupid. That's not going to have the effect you think it is. And apparently now

01:16:23.420 she has a different team. Did you see the, now I will, I will try to be as specific about this as

01:16:27.760 possible because everything that I have said so far about all of this to the best of my knowledge

01:16:31.540 is a hundred percent factual. Uh, I think there was an AP story that said that it has been a now

01:16:36.940 granted coming from, I'm sure I know what they'll say about this. It's democratic oppo. And you're just

01:16:41.700 playing into the left's game or like, I know all the, all the talking, because that's what our team

01:16:45.980 always does. If you ever say anything, you know, you're, you're playing into the left's game and

01:16:50.200 you're holding down or holding down a prominent woman in politics, whatever they've been, they've

01:16:54.360 been dirty fighters the whole way. Um, so there's really a tremendous poetic justice in all this.

01:16:59.140 Like I don't, I don't applaud people's downfalls as a general matter either. I'm breaking a lot of

01:17:03.720 rules here. I will just say, I don't attack people on the right. I don't like being mean. I don't like

01:17:08.320 applauding downfalls. She absolutely richly deserves this. And it's important for the country that

01:17:12.400 everyone sees exactly what's going on. Um, I, I think that, uh, where was I a second ago, Megan? I got so

01:17:18.020 fired up. You were going to reveal some other report that you said you'd see. Oh yeah. Sorry.

01:17:21.360 Thank you. Thank you. Associate, associate impressed that the reason it came out the second

01:17:25.500 time, um, is that there were eyewitnesses to the event and that it was clear or rather to the day.

01:17:32.140 And it was clear to her that she was basically pissed off at her dog because it was bad at hunting

01:17:36.440 and she killed it. And so it was to get ahead of the story that she told the story this time

01:17:42.200 because it would come out. It would come out in oppo. Now I can't verify that other than the AP

01:17:48.220 reporting, but doesn't that make more sense? Because again, how could anyone who has any kind

01:17:55.580 of a job in politics that requires like winning an election be that dumb? Yeah. As to like,

01:18:01.680 how could anyone think, you know, it's, and then, I mean, the Kim Jong-un thing too,

01:18:06.060 the way to handle that for anyone saying I'm writing a book right now, I've got to have the CIA

01:18:10.140 review it. It's a whole, you know, it's going to be a good book though, Megan. We have to talk

01:18:13.300 about it when it comes out. And I'm actually writing it. Unlike people that have all the

01:18:17.580 ghostwriters do it. I'm actually writing, uh, writing my entire book. Um, but, uh, the,

01:18:22.860 the idea that the way to respond to the pressure on this is to almost be indignant and, and act

01:18:30.120 like she's protecting sources and methods. Like I don't, I don't, uh, you know, I don't talk about

01:18:35.120 my meetings with world leaders in the section of my book where I'm talking about my meetings

01:18:38.520 with world leaders. The way to handle it was asking about guys, this was a collaboration.

01:18:43.880 I have numerous people working on it. Somebody misunderstood something totally embarrassing

01:18:47.660 mistake where obviously, but notice she doesn't do that. It's it's, Oh, I meet with a lot of

01:18:52.560 leaders and I'm very important. And I do a lot of good things on the world stage. Really? That's

01:18:57.580 how you respond to the most, honestly, it's the most embarrassing memoir flub I can think of for a

01:19:02.800 politician. And the violates the cardinal rule of do no harm. That's the rule in a, please choose me

01:19:09.160 as VP memoir, right? This is not a new act where somebody who is reportedly on the shortlist

01:19:15.440 releases a book. This is how amazing I am. Look at my long resume. Everyone's going to love me.

01:19:20.000 The first rule, do no harm. Don't you don't need to say anything controversial. Just stick to the farm

01:19:24.480 stories. The story about losing her dad on the ranch is very heart wrenching and, you know,

01:19:29.160 very tough on the whole family. She grew up legit out in South Dakota. I get it. That's a great

01:19:33.600 personal story. Stick to that. Not the puppy killing. But the thing about the story and the

01:19:38.880 puppy killing that makes me suggest, makes me think maybe it wasn't that it was going to come out

01:19:42.620 is I would have written about it differently. Had I been in that position, you'd, you'd expect her to

01:19:47.360 say it did bite me. And if it really did bite other people, it bit all these other people. And it was a

01:19:55.760 very hard decision. I loved the dog and my kids love the dog, which was why it was so hard.

01:20:00.860 Why would she be writing? I hated it. And it was so joyful when I put a bullet between its eyes,

01:20:06.560 like her, something's off on her EQ is what I'm going for here. But yes. Yeah. Well, I mean, I,

01:20:13.320 she also, um, you know, she, like I said, she has a reputation behind the scenes. Uh, unfortunately,

01:20:19.480 uh, the truth is she was able, I think to get away with a lot more, um, than she would have because

01:20:27.420 she had a lot of the Trump base behind her because a lot of people liked her and I can understand why.

01:20:34.860 I mean, you know, I, I just happened to be in a situation. I had people from the South Dakota

01:20:40.300 state house reaching out to me directly. You know what I mean? I, I, I, so I, I got drawn into this a

01:20:46.160 little bit. They're like, this woman's not who she says she is. So it wasn't like I, to be totally

01:20:50.620 honest, it wasn't like I just happened to stumble upon what's going on here. People reached out to

01:20:55.380 me who know state politics, they're much better. And they told me what's going on. Um, but I think

01:20:59.840 she was able to get away with it for a while. You know, Trump has had generally positive things to

01:21:04.440 say about her. And so that shielded her, but it shielded her in such a way that I think she didn't

01:21:10.520 learn some of the key lessons she should have to be at the national level. Right. It's like, you,

01:21:14.020 you don't want to, if you're immune from criticism all the time, you end up as Kamala. You end up as

01:21:19.300 somebody who has no idea what they're doing, isn't competent, has been sort of pushed along.

01:21:25.340 And I think there was a bit of that on the right here. And so it's a, it's a moment for some

01:21:29.620 introspection. Um, and we're learning a lesson and someone is showing us, uh, showing us who they

01:21:35.400 are. And yeah, before it's too late, before it's too late, importantly, right. It's like,

01:21:39.380 there's lots of choices for VP that could really advance Trump's ticket. She's not one of them.

01:21:43.540 All right. There's a lot more to discuss. We're going to get, uh, get to some of that. I,

01:21:48.040 I am going to ask Buck Sexton, this former CIA officer about the Met Gala. Stay tuned for that.

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01:22:50.760 offer. Offer details apply. So Buck last night was the big Met Gala in New York. And I'm just going

01:23:03.320 to say not for nothing. I have gone to this thing a couple of times when I went to this thing,

01:23:07.880 it was a listers everywhere. It was all of Hollywood's most favored darlings. Now it's like

01:23:15.700 a bunch of social media, online influencers and the Kardashians truly. And like some singers who,

01:23:22.060 who I'd know, but the Hollywood a-lister game is pretty much over at the Met Gala. And so are you

01:23:29.600 Anna Wintour, because you're a bitch and no one likes you anyway. Um, they host this thing. It costs

01:23:36.920 $75,000 a person to attend. The celebs get invited and it gets, you know, comped. They don't pay.

01:23:44.520 They're, they're the lure to get the nerds to pay 75 grand to go sit next to them. And it's the most

01:23:51.540 out of touch event you could ask for in New York. Honestly, it was absolutely painful. Every time Doug

01:23:56.060 and I went to one of these things, we wound up talking like to the accountant who financed the

01:24:00.480 party and could talk to us about New York city waterworks. Like we just, you know, you try to

01:24:04.900 talk to these celebs. It was just too painful. There's just nothing to connect to absolute vapidity.

01:24:10.660 So that's what is happening on the inside there. And I've told the audience before about

01:24:15.800 how the, all these models were smoking in the women's room. Guys were blowing cocaine in the

01:24:20.840 men's room. Very classy. Well, it's gotten no classier because last night what we had was

01:24:26.780 a parade of nudity. They're nudists. It was like they forgot their clothes. The theme was the garden

01:24:34.840 of time, something related to sleeping beauty. And I guess they went all the way back to the

01:24:40.280 garden of Eden because I'll just show you a couple, uh, Rita Ora, uh, Doja cat. And of course,

01:24:48.040 Emily Rajakowski, I don't know how you pronounce her. She's never, she never wears her clothing.

01:24:53.220 Emily's whole thing is, let me show you how naked I can be. I mean, she, she, this is actually pretty

01:24:58.420 clothed up for her, but it's all see-through. And what my first thought on the nudity buck,

01:25:02.600 I'm interested in your feelings on this. I know most red blooded American men approve of nudity,

01:25:08.040 but you also care about our culture. My feeling is if I wanted extra attention and I wanted to just

01:25:15.160 come out on this show one day naked, I could get a bunch of clicks, buck. I could get a bunch of

01:25:21.180 clicks. I'm still capable of getting some clips, clicks, but I don't do that because I have some

01:25:26.560 dignity. And I would really prefer that while my looks are important to me, people know me first and

01:25:31.780 foremost, for my mind, there is a whole section of America now that does not have that value.

01:25:37.720 And these women like that, Emily, I think she's an actress or a model or a model. Okay.

01:25:42.560 Doja cat is a very successful, interesting singer. Rita Ora is an accomplished actress.

01:25:48.520 So what's happening? Because it seems to me they've seen Kanye wife's Kanye West's wife,

01:25:54.640 Rita, or what her name, whatever, Bianca Sensori. And instead of saying, where are her clothes?

01:25:58.760 Why is she just wearing a sofa cushion? They decided to follow suit.

01:26:03.180 Oh, there's so much going on here. I will say this is the first time I've ever been tapped as

01:26:07.500 celebrity nudity expert. I gotta say, I think I'll do okay.

01:26:11.940 You know, I mean, I'm a guy, I'm a guy, I got a pretty wife and I like pretty ladies.

01:26:17.360 So, uh, I'd say this, uh, on the, first off on just like the, the Met Gala, I should tell

01:26:23.960 everybody full disclosure. I feel the way about galas the same way that I do about going to movie

01:26:29.000 theaters, which is that I go once every two years to remind myself that I don't want to go again.

01:26:33.840 And it lasts at least a year or two. Like I'm just not, I don't like sitting next to people that

01:26:38.000 I don't choose to sit next to. I don't like being at a place where I'm with Harvey Weinstein one year,

01:26:42.660 Buck Harvey. Wow. Podcast where I get to ask you questions about that. Cause I'm very curious

01:26:51.300 what he's like. Um, anyway, uh, I, I, so I'm, I'm not a gala person in general. I also, my advice to

01:26:57.600 everybody for weddings is make it shorter, make it easier on your guests, stop being a bridezilla,

01:27:01.820 et cetera, et cetera. So I just, okay. That's my feeling about galas. So I'm not the guy who would,

01:27:07.080 if I had a billion dollars, I wouldn't pay 75 grand to go to the Met Gala because I, I don't care.

01:27:11.540 Um, but I, I would say about the celebrity component of it and the new, the nudity aspect

01:27:16.720 of it. Uh, this is a little bit of what the social media race to the bottom creates. Um,

01:27:23.680 people, I think, and I, and I really mean this. I think that women, uh, in society, um, in America,

01:27:30.180 particularly, I can't speak about what it's like elsewhere. I assume it's pretty similar in Western

01:27:33.480 Europe and other places. Um, they are valued more on appearance than they've ever been. And also there's

01:27:39.500 more value to their appearance as in it's immediate and monetizable in a way that wasn't even really

01:27:46.060 possible a while ago. Um, and so I think that there's a fixation on the dopamine hits that people

01:27:52.460 get from the attention and the clicks and that overrides whatever internal, uh, whatever internal

01:28:00.460 self-esteem, whatever a sense of dignity a person may have, uh, a woman may have in this case,

01:28:06.440 it gets, uh, completely shouted down, you know, in, in their processes, uh, in their, in their

01:28:13.000 thinking about this by, I know this is going to get a lot of attention. I'm going to get a lot of

01:28:17.060 clicks. And if I don't do it, my competitors are doing right. If, if I'm not in the public eye,

01:28:23.960 you know, you can kind of tell like who really wants to be in the public eye because they'll appear

01:28:27.600 in the daily mail, like so-and-so like on their fishing trip, uh, paparazzi isn't really a thing

01:28:34.100 anymore. Okay. We're looking at you. She's the queen of it. Oh, I just happened to get caught

01:28:39.480 on my yacht in this perfectly posed position. I, my love affair is real. Who is it? I didn't hear

01:28:45.560 you. JLo. JLo. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. No, absolutely. That's what I'm saying. Like you can tell who

01:28:50.840 sets up, Oh, like this person just caught going to get coffee. It's like, you actually weren't

01:28:55.880 cause you, your publicist called them and you want to be seen and you want this to be, um,

01:29:00.940 and she would show up to the opening of an envelope. She would never miss a chance to be

01:29:05.320 on camera. The only people, those pictures of those celebrities are real when they're very fat

01:29:09.280 and old and they're like this celebrity looking amazing on her way to Starbucks, which is the

01:29:15.600 daily mails way of just getting the photo on and not being called mean. If ever, if anyone thought I

01:29:20.880 wasn't a Christie gnome fan, let me tell you, I think that Jennifer Lopez is the most overrated

01:29:25.440 celebrity across the board, probably in my lifetime. Like I, she is not a good actor. She is not a good

01:29:30.800 singer. She is from what I can tell, not a very nice person from what I read. I don't know. I've

01:29:35.700 never met her, but in terms of her work, her work is overwhelmingly trash. Her songs are terrible. Her

01:29:40.220 movies, she can't act her way out of a paper bag. And she's famous because she was a Latin star at a

01:29:45.560 time when there you go back and look, you know, you can see there was an explosion of interest in,

01:29:51.040 uh, in sort of like Latin celebrities around the JLo era. Um, and Selena had died.

01:29:56.560 Yeah. I mean, I mean, Selena had good songs, uh, but yes, Selena had, Selena had been killed,

01:30:02.700 I think by her manager, right. It's a horrible story. Uh, but anyway, yeah, I think Jennifer

01:30:06.880 Lopez is, is, uh, the most overrated like actress musician probably since, since I've been alive.

01:30:12.880 And then I would just say on the social media and the getting naked thing. Um, you know, I, I,

01:30:18.260 I do wish that there was a little bit more of a, uh, of a voice. Like, I think that there are people

01:30:24.920 who could weigh in on this that would be listened to, uh, who could say, you know, Hey ladies,

01:30:29.700 like we really don't need to do that. Um, but they don't want the heat from the people that are

01:30:34.700 going to say, this is how it is. Like the degradation of the culture becomes a self-fulfilling

01:30:39.460 prophecy because the people who benefit from it, keep doing it. Other people feel like they have to

01:30:44.840 compete with them. And the people who still maintain their dignity and have a voice are like,

01:30:50.200 I just want to have a peaceful, happy life. And I don't want the lunatics all in my mentions or

01:30:55.220 sending me emails or worse, you know, death threats or whatever it may be. So, uh, I hope that that

01:31:00.600 changes. Um, I think that's true in sports too, by the way. It is one thing to go out and do a saucy

01:31:06.760 picture. This Emily Ratajkowski is incredibly gorgeous. And I'm sure people, there's a reason

01:31:12.160 people pay to look at her, but to just really put your ass on display in public at one of like the

01:31:19.960 seasons events, you know, of the year where you're supposed to be making a, like a legitimate

01:31:24.540 fashion statement. And your statement is, look at my naked ass, look at my naked boobs.

01:31:29.600 It's like an arms race. It's like an arms race, but a butts race. You know what I mean? Like it's,

01:31:35.160 it's if one of them, one of them is showing a little bit of the booty and the other one is

01:31:39.740 showing a little more of the boob. And this is kind of what ends up, what ends up happening.

01:31:43.720 And then, and then leave it to the Kardashians to always take it next level. I cannot stand their

01:31:48.520 influence on American culture. I cannot. So Kim Kardashian, who again, denies that she's had any

01:31:56.040 work done. It's a lie. Oh, of course. I mean, that's like, that's like liver King saying he

01:32:02.980 didn't take steroids kind of alive. But anyway, keep going. Sure. Her waist here has got, hopefully

01:32:09.540 we can get a more clear picture of it because it is like, you could get, it's like this. You could get

01:32:14.580 your hands around it. What two hands could go around the waist. She must have like three corsets

01:32:19.220 on. She had a famous, famous corset on a couple of years ago where she admitted she took breathing

01:32:23.820 classes and how to wear it. And once again, she goes out and creates this image like, Oh, it's just

01:32:31.040 me. You know, I just dieted. I don't believe it. I mean, she looks like she's had a rib removed.

01:32:36.380 I swear something's gone wrong. And she's always looking for the next level of attention.

01:32:41.120 Uh, that is not a healthy image to be projecting to American girls. She doesn't give a shit. She's

01:32:48.380 writing these pictures and her quote image all the way to the bank. So she was there,

01:32:54.200 her sister with like the Madonna breasts, like the pointy bra. That was the younger billionaire one,

01:33:00.640 Kylie. The mom was there and that's perfect for what this event is attention and, and they'll do

01:33:07.780 anything for it. Unfortunately, it's been incredibly lucrative for them. Um, but you know, I have,

01:33:13.400 and I know we're like running short on time, but I live in Miami. Um, and I mean, I'm a pretty,

01:33:19.120 maybe I'm a pretty traditional guy, but you really get, you're on the forefront of some of these very

01:33:25.240 negative trends for women down here. I didn't even know what a Brazilian butt lift was until I moved

01:33:30.220 here. I mean that seriously. And now I will see, you will see. Yeah. I do not watch the real housewives.

01:33:36.180 I will see, uh, women and it's the same. They have the Kardashian, uh, super tiny waist. And I

01:33:41.540 have friends here in the fitness industry. They're just buddies of mine. And they'll talk about, um,

01:33:45.680 and you know, I know guys who are also surgeons, classic surgeons. We'll talk about how

01:33:49.260 they've done procedures there. And then they've made these enormous derrières, sometimes even sort

01:33:55.320 of putting a, an implant under the muscle. It's a dangerous surgery. It's actually has a pretty high

01:34:00.160 compensation risk. And there's something very obtuse about the, about the aesthetics involved in this.

01:34:05.660 Like, why do you have to create a fake artificial butt? I think that I didn't know I was going to

01:34:10.180 be talking about this today, by the way, but also the, uh, the tattoos and the plastic surgery,

01:34:16.140 um, are also for women are out of control. I was going to say it's out of control. I, I, I,

01:34:21.980 I, you know, aesthetics are about moderation at some level. It's about, you know, what's within

01:34:25.700 bounds and it's gotten, I've never, women, they've got little tiny tattoos everywhere.

01:34:30.140 They've got so much done. All they're trying to convince all these women to start doing Botox

01:34:34.760 at like 22. Now I'm sure you, you know, you've heard about this and get cut preventative, but

01:34:40.320 all this stuff. I'm like, what ladies same with guys just being normal. I mean, look at Ben Affleck

01:34:46.000 guys are doing this too. I don't want to make just about women. They're, they're making,

01:34:49.600 they look like freaks. They are paying tens of thousands of dollars to look like freaks.

01:34:54.760 Why Ben Affleck showed up at the Tom Brady roast the other night and he was, I don't know what he

01:35:01.860 did to his face. There was speculation. He either had a facelift or he got heavily Botoxed or he got

01:35:06.960 filler. I don't know, but I really prefer my men to be men and I want to be the pretty one. I don't

01:35:14.060 want my, my man to be the pretty one getting as many procedures as I'm getting. And I really don't

01:35:19.320 want him to be in a dress. And yet, Buck, that leads me to the men last night. They're, look at

01:35:27.840 this. Are these men? What are these? Okay. I'm going to show you on the left. We have a Jordan

01:35:33.480 Roth. Okay. He was in this full length flower gown. Um, I don't know who that is. Is that Jordan

01:35:39.420 Roth? I'm looking at a different picture in my packet. Look at this. Is that a nun?

01:35:44.520 Are men. I don't even know who these people are, but look at this. It looks like a bride. Okay.

01:35:50.520 Look at this guy. Full length flower gown. Where, what happened to the men, Buck? Where are they?

01:35:58.540 Well, the society elevates, um, uh, anti-masculinity. I mean, that's part of our society does pop culture

01:36:06.260 does. Um, and it's, there's, there's a really in-depth conversation that is ongoing. And I think

01:36:12.640 very much worth having about why that is. I think that masculinity is inherently a challenge to,

01:36:18.080 uh, centralized, centralized government and totalitarian control, which I think that the

01:36:23.220 leftist ideology in this country absolutely wants to achieve. So strong men stand in the way of their

01:36:28.720 ability to just make us all, you know, cows that are, are fed and maintained and we're safe and warm

01:36:34.860 and don't ask any questions to borrow from, uh, Solzhenitsyn. Um, and I, I think that, uh, we're seeing

01:36:40.860 that this is something that people are ideologically pushing, even though it doesn't sell. I mean,

01:36:45.560 you know, everyone can see this. Like you make top gun, you make a kick-ass movie about,

01:36:49.680 you know, being, being a bad-ass and doing great things and the heroes and everything else. You

01:36:54.440 make a ton of money. They don't want to do that. They want to do this. They want to have guys.

01:36:58.060 No one wants to see this. They want to have guys. No woman wants to be taken to bed by these guys

01:37:03.140 either. And I don't know that they want to go with women either. Um, it was a disaster. It was a fail.

01:37:07.900 And the big headline out of most of the publications was it was a bore, which is the

01:37:12.600 worst thing you can be. Buck Sexton, you were not. You're the opposite of all those things.

01:37:16.440 It was wonderful to see you. Great to see you. I always have so much fun. Thank you for having me.

01:37:21.200 Same. Okay. Before we go, I want to tell you about Doug Brunt's latest podcast. Speaking of my

01:37:27.080 husband, Doug Brunt, um, it's his latest podcast episode and he's now launched a YouTube. Okay. And he's

01:37:34.320 would love for you to subscribe. If you'd like to see my interview with Doug, you can go subscribe

01:37:39.780 to his podcast, which is called dedicated with Doug Brunt, or you can go to youtube.com

01:37:45.540 slash dedicated with Doug because his podcast is called dedicated. It's about authors and he

01:37:50.880 interviews really fun people and they do drinks and they're quick. I think you find them really

01:37:54.620 interesting. Here's a little bit of my sit down with Doug Brunt person today that you most want to

01:38:01.600 interview. That's easy. There's no one who comes close to this person. Ooh. Yeah. Literally

01:38:06.780 everybody would watch that. They would. Most fun interview you've ever had. You know, when I hear

01:38:11.540 that one of those guys is coming up, one of those shows, I get, I get excited. I get happy. One piece

01:38:15.920 of advice for the audience. Is that like an R rated way to end? Are people picturing something naughty?

01:38:20.700 Thanks for betting me. Good times.

01:38:22.600 I think you'll enjoy it. Doug's always smart and entertaining and does a great interview. And

01:38:31.160 today's was just super fun. And in that interview, you will hear the answer to that tease I gave you

01:38:36.240 a couple of weeks ago, which is which celebrity did Doug mistake at one of these big galas for a

01:38:42.540 homeless person? The answer, you can find it at youtube.com slash dedicated with Doug. We'll see you

01:38:49.420 tomorrow. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - May 07, 2024

Judge Violates Trump's Free Speech, and What Noem's Lies Really Expose, with Vivek Ramaswamy and Buck Sexton ｜ Ep. 784

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