Judge’s SHOCK Dismissal of Justin Baldoni's Suit Against Blake Lively, and Latest in the Diddy Trial ｜ Ep. 1091
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On Monday, a federal judge dismissed Justin Baldoni s $400 million lawsuit against Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds, the New York Times, and a PR person named Leslie Sloan. Megyn talks about the ruling, and the bombshell that came this week in the Diddy case.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
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So for the next week, 10 days, I'm going to be spending some time with my family.
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We're going on our annual June vacation, so this will be our last new show
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But we're going to have a lot of great content for you here while I'm gone.
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Today, however, is new because I needed to weigh in before I go on the status of the Diddy case
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and also the bombshell that happened this week in the Justin Baldoni-Blake Lively case.
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Diddy entered its fifth week of trial with testimony from his ex-girlfriend Jane,
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And on Monday, a judge, a federal district court judge in New York,
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dismissed Justin Baldoni's $400 million lawsuit
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against Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds, The New York Times, and a PR person named Leslie Sloan.
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It was a shock to see Judge Louis Lyman of the U.S. District Court in Manhattan
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Just as a reminder of how this case got started,
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Blake Lively went to the California Human Rights Office,
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And she filed a legal proceeding there to try to get Justin Baldoni in some trouble
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and trying to sound the alarm that he was some sort of a sexual predator.
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And very clearly, she then provided that document to the New York Times,
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they painted him in a very irresponsible piece as a sexual predator,
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basically just taking the words of Blake Lively,
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and perhaps others, perhaps other statements as well,
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though exactly what else she provided remains unclear.
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Here, it should have been exposed in the discovery process,
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where Baldoni will have the opportunity, or would have,
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to depose Blake Lively, to depose the New York Times,
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and figure out exactly what happened, how they got their hands on it,
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what additional statements were made by Blake Lively
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and or her team to the Times before they ran with that piece.
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That's now not going to happen because the Times has been dismissed as a defendant
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So, that was on December 20th that we saw that complaint,
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and Justin Baldoni also filed suit against the New York Times,
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and sued this PR agent, Leslie Sloan, and her company.
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What's happened this week is this federal district court judge,
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a motion to dismiss the case without even getting to discovery,
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His entire case against her has been thrown out except for two minor claims for breach of the implied covenant
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So, implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing and the tortious interference with the contract,
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which are based on one smaller allegation made in the Blake Lively,
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I think this one is based on the fact that they allegedly went,
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this large agency where Ari Emanuel is the owner and chief agent,
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And I believe Ari Emanuel has admitted this happened.
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I think he was on a podcast admitting that this happened.
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And the question is whether that can amount to the tortious interference with the contract
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I believe Justin Baldoni is the truth teller by and large in this case,
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and that Blake Lively has either exaggerated or made up the overwhelming substance of her,
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She wanted to save her own ass after suffering some bad publicity.
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but that's what I think this whole thing is about.
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Not about actual harassment by Justin Baldoni of Blake Lively.
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what he did to her have proven in my clear view as an attorney to be lies.
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I believe she lied when she complained that he burst in on her while she was breastfeeding in her trailer.
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the correspondence between the two of them where she says,
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She was forced to look at porn by these evil producers working with Justin.
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what they wanted her to look at was a totally benign,
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It's like a G rated photograph of the producer,
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and his wife in a bathtub after a bathtub birth,
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It's like a beautiful shot of a new baby with the parents.
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This is not pornography by anybody's definition.
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she's going to show us some triple X porn that they,
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She hasn't exactly held back and trying to rehabilitate her image.
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So those are just a couple of examples of how her claim in chief is falling
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she's now trying to smear me in addition to like not being able to handle some
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bad PR around the launch of this movie that she brought upon herself and blame
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Now she's gone next level by trying to smear me by filing this complaint with
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the civil rights division in California by clearly letting her,
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leaking it to the New York times and trying to let the country know I'm some
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So he fought back and he fought back not only by going,
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but filing a counterclaim against her or claim against her.
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It's a new rule under a law Gavin Newsom signed in October,
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it extends the California civil codes definition of a privileged communication in a defamation action to include communications made without malice about an individual's own experience of sexual assault,
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And what this means is that any defendant accused of defaming someone who then wins who gets,
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and what was at issue was her privileged communication about her alleged sexual harassment or workplace harassment is entitled to recover attorney's fees and costs as well as trouble damages and punitive damages.
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if you get wrongfully sued for defamation and the defamation you're accused of is you're a woman accusing somebody of sexually harassing you.
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And basically he fights back by saying this is defamation and you as the woman,
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because that's the facts here that it's the female accusing the male of sexual harassment,
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if you prevail against this defamation charge to your attorney's fees and costs,
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but we will triple those damages and potentially award you punitive damages to punish him and discourage others like him from bringing such defamation claims in California.
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if not the first case in which this law has kicked in.
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And so I don't know how bad this is going to get because I mean,
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I've worked at large law firms where you easily expend millions of dollars in fees in fighting a 12B6 motion or in filing one for that matter.
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The only question is how high there would also be a question of reasonable reasonableness.
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now he has to pay you 50 million and I'm going to triple them.
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but let's say she has $5 million in attorney's fees.
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It is not outside of the realm of possibility that he then triples those and awards her 15 million in damages.
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these claims are far from so specious or speculative or without merit that I think that a sane judge would say,
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I'm going to impose that kind of a punishment or pain on the defendant here.
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I just don't think that this judge is going to do that to Justin,
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given how strong his defenses to her underlying claims and how his defamation claim against her really was.
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It was the reason they've been dismissed is because he recognized that there's a privilege in California to make the claim she's making of sexual harassment under California law.
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that's really why his defamation claim against her was dismissed.
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that she's doing all of this to build up her own me too cred and trying to make herself into a,
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her complaint in the California civil rights division or department.
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he says it kind of extends to the New York times.
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So a reporter like somebody at the times like yours truly,
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a legal document generally won't be subjected to defamation claims.
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If you just repeat what somebody is alleging in a lawsuit.
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as a somebody who's in the journalism business,
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I like that general rule because I should be allowed to tell you what somebody is alleging in a court without endorsing it in such that I get sued for defamation myself.
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But Brian Friedman's lawsuit on behalf of Justin Baldoni to me included far more than just allegations that were in that complaint lively filed with the California civil rights department.
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It was clear to me that what was in that New York times article included allegations beyond that complaint.
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he just kind of seemed to gloss over the fact that there had clearly been additional communications between team lively and the times.
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He's ignoring that and just saying that the privilege that protects a sexual harassment victim making allegations in a legal document gets her off the hook and the reporter privilege gets the New York times off the hook.
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He has to jump through a few more hoops to get Ryan Reynolds and the PR woman off the hook,
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but he's basically saying that as pleaded the complaint against those two doesn't really amount to a cognizable legal claim.
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But what you're really alleging is that he went to WME and said fire Justin Baldoni because he's a sexual predator.
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And you really haven't given me any facts in the complaint that would justify the standard that's needed in a defamation case.
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When you're bringing that case as a public figure,
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which is the highest burden of proof under the law,
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public figures have a very difficult time recovering defamation damages.
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And Justin Baldoni is the public figure here trying to sue for defamation against Ryan Reynolds.
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And the court was saying to recover from Ryan Reynolds for allegedly making that statement to WME,
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you've got to prove he said it with knowledge that it was false or with a reckless disregard for its potential falsity.
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what I see is at best you've alleged he was told that by his wife.
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Now I have a question about that because there are allegations about Ryan Reynolds having met with Baldoni
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and Taylor Swift and his wife in that infamous apartment meeting where there was an explosion,
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there was a fight over control of the film and some scenes there.
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I believe one allegation that he went to set and would have been observing something with his own eyes.
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So I'm not sure all of his knowledge came through the wifey,
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but what the judge seemed to be saying was at least the vast majority of his knowledge would have come through his wife.
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And that means that that inures to Ryan Reynolds benefit that the judge seems to be saying in worst case scenario,
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I guess the judge is leaving open the possibility that that claim,
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at least that those allegations could potentially support a claim for torches interference with contract.
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If Baldoni refiles them with additional allegations.
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Nobody on team Baldoni would be over there saying,
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If something has changed between now and tomorrow,
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but I wanted to give you some fresh content on this.
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but it's possible the judge could issue a ruling now on fees and punitive damages.
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I'm not going to issue a ruling on this until the end of the trial,
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but also annoying because you could get to trial.
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You could have Justin win now as the defendant on the claims against him and potentially have all of her claims thrown out by a jury.
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you made your burden Blake and we find in favor of the defendant.
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having to pay her millions of dollars because his counterclaim was thrown out.
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Not a good ruling for team Baldoni by any interpretation I can offer.
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I should point out to you just full transparency.
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I've not spoken with Brian Friedman about this at this point.
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and I'm sure he'll come back on and speak to it directly.
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I'm not like operating from inside knowledge here.
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This is just my own take as a lawyer and a reporter who's been covering the case.
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why I think Blake Lively's euphoria is a little premature.
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And I guess I should tell you what she's saying.
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I'm going to show you a video as she arrived Monday night at the Tribeca festival.
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she's acting like she won the case in chief against him.
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And nor did the judge find that Justin's allegations are untrue.
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He didn't say Justin's likely to lose this case at trial,
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she referenced the 19 organizations that wrote amicus briefs and in support of her for friends of the court.
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I stood proudly alongside 19 organizations united in defending women's rights to speak up for their safety.
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including the manufactured shame that tries to break us.
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So many don't have the resources to fight back.
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it's absurd that any court would even consider making her pay Baldoni's legal fees,
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Ryan Reynolds made that off of the sale of his liquor company reportedly,
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I'm more resolved than ever to continue to stand for every woman's right to have a voice in protecting themselves,
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she said that they made her perform the birth scene with like,
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And then he brought on his best friend to play the doctor and let him linger down there below where he could check her out.
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I've been in all sorts of like Shakespearean productions and other big productions.
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And I'm insulted at their description of me just coming over as like an ogling buddy of Justin's F off.
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but now she needs to speak out to protect one's integrity and dignity and one's story.
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With love and gratitude for the many who stood by me.
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but I will never stop appreciating or advocating for you.
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and then according to one insider per people magazine,
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I really think her days of feeling relieved and super happy about this case are numbered.
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And her PR people are portraying in the media right now.
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what's going to happen going forward is Justin's now the defendant and Blake is now the plaintiff.
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both worked on as a litigator and actually seen through to trial.
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She's going to get cross examined by Brian Friedman,
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It's not going to be pretty when she gets crossed.
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I don't believe either side is in the mood to settle.
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she lost a major piece of her complaint to earlier,
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last week when her claims for emotional distress,
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she thrown them through them out because team Baldoni said,
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You're claiming we have to pay you all these damages for the severe mental
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And that's a totally appropriate request by them to say,
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you're asking us to pay for all your medical visits.
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Now I have to see whether you complained about me or you were complaining
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And she asked if she could drop them without prejudice.
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So she could hold them over Justin's head from now to the point of trial.
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So she also suffered a loss in this case in the past two weeks.
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but now if they're going to settle would be the time for them to say,
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I will waive my right to damages or more than likely.
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like a times up type thing to try to make her look good.
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And Justin Baldoni could potentially do that and make this thing go away while he's not looking
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And Brian Friedman wants to get Blake Lively under deposition and Ryan Reynolds under deposition and force them to respond to some of the very,
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very strong evidence he has that they're liars.
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That at least she's a liar and he's been misled deeply by his troubled wife.
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So I think that's probably where I'd put my bet that that's what's likely to happen.
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But all of that also is not the point that I want to make.
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including her complaint with the California civil rights department,
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it began because when they launched this movie,
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I believe thanks to her own terrible personality and bad behavior and bullying tactics,
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both against reporters and against Justin Baldoni and others on that set,
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which started to leak and turned the public on her.
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And she kept smiling and laughing and pimping her hair company and her weird flowers.
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And she seemed off like she didn't understand what actual victims of abuse go through.
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She unfollowed Justin on all of his social accounts before the premiere.
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She relegated him to a basement on the premiere.
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She was clearly trying to gin up questions about what had happened between the two of them.
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she dropped the hammer a couple months later with this complaint,
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Blake Lively trying to redeem herself in the public eye because she couldn't stand the round of bad publicity she suffered that she brought upon herself.
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We've talked about this many times recently on this show.
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George Clooney couldn't stand the fact that I said he's not a journalist,
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so he had to launch into some diatribe about how I'm not and going off on me.
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Why don't you dye your hair another shade of black,
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you should consider what's happening with those enormous bags under your eyes.
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I'm just saying it's probably why you haven't been cast in anything other than a play for a while.
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But there's a lot of people who just aren't used to any sort of negative publicity about themselves.
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I feel like the only person who gets like negative press like that,
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who's a huge star and doesn't fight back against it is like a Tom Cruise.
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Cause he's used to taking all these hits for Scientology and he's such a big star.
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but these other stars cannot take negative publicity about themselves.
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So she thought she was going to be able to bully him that this was 2018 again,
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and that he would cower on the receiving end of these me too allegations.
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She leaked that she had made on set where she was failing and struggling.
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And that she would emerge like she called herself in that text message.
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She sent to Justin as Khaleesi from game of Thrones,
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this fierce warrior that Taylor and Ryan were her dragons who are going to kill for her.
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Anybody who got in her way or tried to smear her reputation.
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And while she wrote that to Justin in a friendlier moment,
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although there was clearly a veiled threat in there for him too,
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Gretchen Carlson sees herself as like the heroine of the me too movement.
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She's one step away from the enormous blue glasses and blue bracelet and shaving her head.
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And this hasn't worked out well for Blake Lively because he did not cower.
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He hired Brian Friedman who fought back against Blake Lively.
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Not sure if she realizes that because she only insists on hanging out with fellow leftists
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at places like the Time 100 where I saw her and I told you about that.
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Good luck getting your next big Hollywood blockbuster role.
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You guys are going to be dining off of Ryan Reynolds money from here to eternity.
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Do you think it's tough to find a lot of beautiful blonde Hollywood actresses who really would like to star
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in a film who don't have a reputation of being a complete diva who's going to meet to the producer,
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What I would recommend for her is that she have her husband produce and cast all future movies,
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and then she might actually have a career ahead of her.
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She was trying to drag him to improve her own standing.
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He fought back, and he's done what he needed to do already.
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No one will ever look at her allegations except the most partisan,
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rabid leftists who believe every Me Too allegations and say,
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They've been too effective on team defense of dismantling her allegations and fighting back.
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I mean, you could make the argument that even this dismissal is in some PR ways good for him
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because it just draws more attention once again to how flimsy her case is and how absurd this is.
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And as she tries to act like this embattled, put-upon victim who emerged with this great legal victory,
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it's only going to make people like me and probably a lot of you get their backs up again about her
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and how ridiculous she is and how she's tormenting him.
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And you can treble that if she actually does get a big damage award against him,
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and God forbid it gets trebled or she gets punitives too.
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As I say, she's married to somebody with more money than God.
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And she cares about her reputation and her ability to get cast in future films.
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And I'm sure she'd love for Justin Baldoni to never be able to make a movie again.
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And his claims, obviously, are not going forward.
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But she has lost this battle, which I believe was always about PR.
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With her doubters, the only way she can redeem herself with all the people who were fans of hers but now aren't
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is if she has some sort of spike-the-ball moment every day when this thing goes to trial.
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The biggest question mark that she has that she could somehow pull through, and we'll see, is these alleged other women
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she finally got around to referring to in her amended complaint,
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saying she's not going to be the only one to accuse him of creating a hostile work environment or sexual harassment on the set.
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But that's the only sliver I have opened for her at trial.
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If she has a parade of women, come on, with very compelling allegations.
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I can't say enough negative things about this man.
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I, like, in the same way you look at, like, a psychopath, that, like, Dahmer, who kills people and eats them.
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There's a depravity to this man that we did not know about.
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And, honestly, I'm going to forgive even some of these massive Hollywood celebrities who went to his so-called white parties because it's so much worse than, really, I'm sure even they knew.
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But his intimate team around him knew, and they do not get forgiven.
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Unfortunately for the prosecution, they are also amongst the chief witnesses in this trial.
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You know, there's the thing in the law where you say, like, the devil doesn't hang around with angels.
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And so when you're going after the devil, who can put him behind bars?
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So he's had, you know, this cast of characters around him that's helped him.
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That's looked the other way as all these women come into his life and get abused, get hooked on drugs, get farmed out to male escorts like they're barnyard animals.
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It is disgusting what he did to these women, the women in his life.
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It's weird because all the people around him are so enamored with him, and they come back to him over and over.
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And to this day, they talk about how complicated it was.
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I don't think that's his loving side that they're remembering, like the good times.
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It's their, it's the fact that they're star effers, not all of them, but many of them, and they're intoxicated by his money and his celebrity.
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Most of these people come from nothing and were very ripe targets for his power and his money, his ability to pay their rent and so on.
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He was dazzling the security force at the L.A. Intercontinental Hotel.
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These guys are kind of, you know, law enforcement adjacent.
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Even they were like, yeah, we'll take the money to hide that tape of you beating her.
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You know, he did not look at the law as a threat.
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He looked at the law as something he could buy and overcome, and time and time again, he was proven right.
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And even the people he most harmed kept forgiving him and going back to him for a job or rent or to be in a relationship with him,
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even though, again, they were being treated like barnyard animals.
00:37:34.160
I know I'm aware of texts from, like, Cassie Ventura early in the relationship saying, yeah, I can't wait to freak off.
00:37:48.400
Talk to me when you get to the ones that say, I love the freak offs when we both want them.
00:37:52.520
And how about, you know, if you like evidence, because I like evidence too, how about her running out of the freak off for her life and getting beaten to a pulp and dragged back into the freak off?
00:38:05.660
Can we agree that maybe the consent that was there initially had waned?
00:38:09.820
Now we've spent this week listening to Jane, who followed on the heels of Mia, both pseudonyms.
00:38:21.920
It's just like serial sexual abuse, serial physical abuse through all of these witnesses.
00:38:31.320
Mia testified about him coming into her room in his home where she was required to keep the door unlocked.
00:38:39.760
All the male employees and security guards could have locks on their doors, but she couldn't.
00:38:51.640
He was such an, I don't know what I want to say.
00:38:54.980
I don't want to say aphrodisiac because that's something that actually turns you on.
00:38:57.980
But he was such a, like a God in the eyes of all these staffers.
00:39:03.840
Can we really believe she didn't want him when he walked in, in these, in her rooms?
00:39:09.500
But I've heard enough from Cassie Ventura and from Jane to know that this guy was happy to force these women
00:39:18.820
into a life of the state or you are left out of the scene or 막ering the people that were trying to do it to beat the óENE
00:39:21.100
or debauchery or hotel nights or whatever you want to call it.
00:39:23.160
or whatever you want to call it and to beat them and to understand that they didn't want to be
00:39:28.300
there, but to hold the threat of violence, the threat of exposure, um, the threat of their
00:39:33.460
careers, the threat of rent over their heads to try to force them into it. That I think that the
00:39:38.140
government's got him. I think they have got him. I think they've got him on every count.
00:39:43.480
Some people are thinking they don't have them on the Rico count where you have to prove
00:39:46.360
he's sort of a mob boss overseeing multiple crimes. Um, you know, each individual, you only
00:39:51.940
need two underlying crimes for Rico. They've got him. And just, just the, the video from the
00:39:57.520
intercontinental alone is kidnapping and battery. And now you've had testimony from the guy who took
00:40:02.840
his bribe, the guy, the security officer there who took his hundred thousand dollars. He said,
00:40:08.960
you know what? Diddy, if you want me to destroy the tape, uh, you're going to have to take it up
00:40:14.460
with my boss or you're going to have to get a subpoena to, to get control of that tape. And
00:40:19.320
instead did he said, well, you know, how about a hundred thousand? And that guy's boss said,
00:40:24.360
sure. That guy's boss said, here, give me 50 loser. Absolute cretin took 50 grand. And then the guy
00:40:31.840
who testified he'd been given immunity took half of the remaining 50 and gave the other half to
00:40:37.660
another guard who'd been on duty. The only one who didn't take the bribe was the first guy who was the
00:40:43.180
first witness in this taste, in this case, who testified that not only did he not take the money
00:40:47.760
and he'd been shown a hundred thousand dollars in cash by Diddy security guard that was in a bag.
00:40:52.220
He said, no, but he took out his cell phone and videotaped the security guard tape showing the
00:40:58.400
beating before he left. It was a Friday for the weekend. He said he wanted to show it to his wife.
00:41:04.200
And I'm sure the guy knew there was a very good chance this thing would be disappeared by the time
00:41:09.320
he got back on Monday. And it was, he's the one who gave it. We believe to CNN and the reason that
00:41:15.140
we've seen it and the reason the prosecution opened its case with it, that video, that's like the only
00:41:21.820
man of honor who wouldn't take the money and videotaped the videotape. Um, person after person
00:41:30.740
has taken the stand and talked about watching Diddy beat the, these various girlfriends. I mean,
00:41:36.600
relentlessly beat. There's no, there's no amount of beat. That's okay. But just like the, the inhumanity
00:41:42.240
of how he beat them, splitting Cassie's lip, throwing a frying pan at her. Allegedly. Um,
00:41:47.640
we saw what he did to her on tape, each woman reporting how she had to go down. She went down
00:41:52.680
to try to avoid, you know, protect her internal organs and prevent too much injury and how he
00:41:58.200
would kick them in the stomach while down. The thing about Jane, I do want to get into what
00:42:03.180
happened with Jane because it was just stunning and heartbreaking and disgusting and tracks what
00:42:10.120
Cassie Ventura told us perfectly. What he did to Cassie Ventura from the day he got together with
00:42:14.580
her back in 2000. Well, it was earlier than 2008, but all straight through to 2018. She got together
00:42:22.520
with him, I think around Oh six, but from the beginning, this is Cassie around Oh six to 2018.
00:42:29.860
He was making her do these freak offs with male escorts and hotel rooms. And as soon as that was over,
00:42:36.500
he was doing it with others. And I was like, Cassie now sees all the women see that they were,
00:42:40.960
you were, you were part of an assembly line of women. He used like a barnyard animal. Again,
00:42:46.240
that's no comment on the women. It's, um, that's a comment on how he valued them. That's how he saw
00:42:51.540
them. Um, Jane comes out and she took over basically as Combs, his girlfriend, uh, I think shortly after
00:42:59.200
he and Cassie broke up and she was his on again, off again, girlfriend straight through to when he got
00:43:04.720
arrested in 2024. And this is the saddest story. I got to tell you, like spend time with your
00:43:13.140
children. You don't have to tell them everything they do is wonderful. Every two marks on an art
00:43:18.740
paper is a Picasso, but you do have to build up your child's sense of self and self-confidence and
00:43:24.780
understanding that they belong in this world to a family, ideally with family dinners and time
00:43:29.300
invested by a parent. And if God forbid the child loses a father figure, either from the beginning
00:43:34.640
or some way along the way, make sure they have a strong male role model. So they don't need to be
00:43:39.240
affirmed by random men who can't fucking stand them or respect them. Like Sean Diddy Combs.
00:43:46.880
I just feel like there's a couple of stories here. There's a story about the depravity of this man.
00:43:51.720
I don't know how that happened. Had to be more than wealth and fame because a lot of people get
00:43:56.320
wealthy and famous and don't, don't do this. But it's also the story of these women and how
00:44:01.120
sad they were, how unfilled they were, how unsated as humans they were on a like confidence and brain
00:44:10.280
level that they would time and time again, allow him to force them into these freak offs. And then of
00:44:19.920
course, go back to them, go back to him over and over in the beatings. It's a tale that's related to
00:44:25.260
domestic violence. It is domestic violence, but it's just, it's so hard for women who are fine,
00:44:30.060
find themselves in abusive relationships. And if you can understand why a woman allows herself to
00:44:34.200
get beaten more than once, you can understand why a woman allows herself to be forced back into these
00:44:38.600
so-called freak offs more than once. It's all part of a pattern of abuse. If this had been once or twice
00:44:44.160
and you had a text message saying, I want it, or like in Jane's case, she said, or I think it was
00:44:48.880
either Jane or Mia, forgive me. I'm, I blend them sometimes saying in the beginning, I, I, it was Jane
00:44:53.800
saying I wanted it in the beginning because it seemed taboo. Then, then he might have a defense
00:44:58.540
that like there was consent. I wasn't forcing it. And I had no reason to believe that there was no
00:45:02.380
consent. It's so far beyond that people. It's just so far beyond that. And let me get into just a
00:45:08.520
couple of the details of Jane. Um, she, she testified about a hotel night. She didn't call it freak offs.
00:45:17.920
They called it either hotel nights or debauchery in which, um, she wanted the male partner,
00:45:24.120
the escort to wear a condom and Combs did not want her to wear. He did not want the guy to wear,
00:45:32.700
um, the condom. The prosecution played the recording. Um, cause there was a recording
00:45:37.660
audio from this freak off or this hotel night played the part of the recording for the court.
00:45:42.540
It was roughly eight minutes and 25 seconds. Uh, the audio revealed a tape of Jane Combs and a male
00:45:49.940
sex worker, Don. She requested Don used a condom. Combs interjected, questioned why, what they are
00:45:56.040
doing. Jane said Don did not use protection during the sexual encounter with her. Jane was asked why
00:46:01.200
she needed Combs permission to have the man wear a condom. Jane seemed to get emotional and said she
00:46:05.400
was quote, still trying to process that. She said she didn't insist on the man wearing a condom
00:46:10.080
because Combs would be unhappy. She said that after, uh, she would, she would sexually engage
00:46:17.520
with the male sex worker. Combs would have sex with her immediately. She would not clean up the
00:46:23.600
sex workers bodily fluids. Combs and she would play with the bodily fluids. Forgive me. Then she would
00:46:31.220
shower and repeat the process. Jane said that most hotel nights lasted longer than 24 hours. It's all
00:46:37.480
tracks perfectly with what we heard from Cassie with no sleep testifying that Combs would give her
00:46:43.520
ecstasy to stay awake and continue performing the longest hotel night. According to Jane's testimony
00:46:49.100
lasted more than three days with no sleep. Same Cassie Ventura said, same it's the, the, the racehorse
00:46:55.820
has a fractured leg and should not be put out on the track or it could die. And the trainer shoots it up
00:47:05.160
with all sorts of drug cocktails to make it run, run. I want my prize money. That's how this feels.
00:47:15.820
These women are trying to do what this man who feels more like their owner than their love,
00:47:24.360
their partner wants them to do. And they keep falling. They don't want it. They get disgusted.
00:47:32.080
They try to leave. In Jane's case, she got physically ill and he sends them back out there,
00:47:37.540
bum, leg or not run, do it. He's a disgusting, filthy pig. That's my opinion. I'm horrified by
00:47:49.220
this man. I can't wait to watch him rot behind bars forever. And if God forbid this guy gets acquitted,
00:47:57.040
I can't wait to watch the shunning and I can't wait to personally shun and humiliate anybody who
00:48:04.480
doesn't shun him because they haven't been paying attention. They haven't been listening to the
00:48:09.260
testimony. If that's what happens. Jane cried and was emotional as she detailed a different hotel
00:48:16.840
night in 2023 in Miami, where she had sex with three other men at Combs's insistence on her birthday.
00:48:22.840
She testified she flew to Miami with Combs, who told her they'd spend quality time together.
00:48:27.940
If you've seen the testimony of Jane, she kept begging him to just be her boyfriend,
00:48:31.340
to just love her. She just wanted quality time with him. She saw the paper or through text or
00:48:36.100
whatever that he was with other women, like in what appeared to be like an actual date.
00:48:41.200
And she wanted that. And he kept luring her in saying, OK, yes, let's do that. Let's get together.
00:48:47.780
Let's go out in Miami, only to surprise her with another night of debauchery. She flew to Miami
00:48:54.480
with Combs, who told her they would spend quality time together, only to then bring up plans for a
00:49:00.600
hotel night during their nice romantic dinner. On the stand, Jane grew very emotional while
00:49:07.160
discussing the birthday. She heaved more than once as she cried. She is overwhelmed with these memories.
00:49:13.160
And prosecutor Maureen Comey asked her repeatedly if she needed a break. Each time Jane said no.
00:49:21.240
But that was extremely emotional testimony. She said she felt obligated to perform these acts for
00:49:28.460
Combs. She said he began paying her $10,000 per month in rent in what she described as a love contract
00:49:34.740
during their three-year relationship. She said she felt like she had to perform the sex acts
00:49:39.060
and that she expressed her displeasure many times. Quote, I don't want to be used and locked in a
00:49:45.560
room to perform and fulfill your fantasies, she texted him. And the jury saw this text.
00:49:50.860
I don't want to play this role in your life anymore. It's dark, sleazy, makes me feel disgusted with
00:49:57.060
myself. I feel it's the only reason you have me around and why you pay for the house. I don't want to
00:50:02.280
feel obligated to perform these nights with you in fear of losing the roof over my head. At one point,
00:50:07.020
he texted her asking if he could come over, adding, that's my house too. At another, he texted her the
00:50:12.440
same message six consecutive times. Are you going to let me in our house? Prosecutions alleging that
00:50:19.800
paying rent was a form of financial coercion employed by Combs. In other words, he gets her, he says,
00:50:25.260
oh, I'll pay for your rent. Move on in. You're going to love it. I'll take care of you. Then she moves in.
00:50:29.600
And then when she doesn't perform as he insists, he threatens to remove the roof from over her head.
00:50:34.560
And I know what you're thinking. She could have walked out. She could have walked out.
00:50:40.460
It's the same thing as a domestic violence victim people, which she also was. He was also beating
00:50:45.620
her. She alleges it's, it's just so much more complicated than that. It is not like she's a
00:50:53.440
gold digger. You have to look at the overall relationship and the number of abusive incidents
00:50:58.300
between them and the threats again, that were allegedly made by him to expose this behavior
00:51:03.740
that he had on tape. That's why the prosecution is alleging it's all part of a Rico scam, like a
00:51:08.640
criminal enterprise where he, he was using coercion to, to force the women to continue doing it.
00:51:14.680
In response to her concerns, she says Combs invited her to New York
00:51:18.420
and said that it would be a proper trip. He keeps doing this. The one in Miami,
00:51:23.500
the one in New York, it'll be a proper trip. But shortly after her arrival, he arranged another
00:51:28.000
hotel night at Trump international hotel. He gave her ecstasy, um, and invited a cowboy wearing heels
00:51:37.920
to come over. This is one of those escort services that Cassie testified that it was like cowboys for
00:51:42.980
angels. These guys would show up like this to join them and have sex with her while he watched. That
00:51:48.620
was his thing after the New York trip was that Miami trip that we were just getting into. And we'll get
00:51:53.940
into the details of that in a second. And, um, Jane texted that text. I read you. I don't, I don't
00:52:01.140
want to do this anymore. Here's another text. I don't feel like performing loveless, cold sex.
00:52:05.780
She texted him in October, 2023. I'm not a porn star. I'm not an animal. I need a break. He wrote back
00:52:13.740
saying he just wanted to spend the day with her. You're going to spend the day. What love bombing
00:52:18.320
me? She said, so you can get what you want. It's not genuine. I've hit a mental and spiritual wall.
00:52:25.020
Nonetheless, he got her down to Miami. And once again, another night of debauchery,
00:52:32.200
every time she trusted him that they might have just like a dinner, like a date, like go to a movie.
00:52:37.900
He, he, he said, Oh, that's what it'll be. And then every single time he was like, now we're
00:52:44.120
having an escort come. And if she didn't, she was going to lose everything. No more roof over your
00:52:49.140
head. This is obviously not a strong woman. I'm sorry. I don't mean that insulting, but Jane is
00:52:53.300
obviously extremely vulnerable, extremely vulnerable. And he loved exploiting her. He loved
00:53:00.220
making her suffer. I feel like this is part of it. You know how Harvey Weinstein couldn't get off
00:53:04.880
unless he was doing something dirty. I feel like Diddy couldn't get off unless the woman
00:53:09.200
wasn't there under a bit of protest that he knew. And he was forcing this stranger on her.
00:53:16.500
Like, I definitely think this is part of his fetish. Jane told the court after exchanging a
00:53:23.140
series of messages with Combs, she did agree to meet him. And after this one, this is October,
00:53:28.440
2023, they met at the Beverly Hills hotel. Combs said that this would be the last one. We're going to
00:53:33.880
have a sobriety party. We're going to get off drugs and we're going to stop doing this.
00:53:38.480
And at that freak off, she did it sober. Combs took ecstasy and cocaine and invited three men to
00:53:46.040
have sex with Jane. She said after having sex with the first two, she threw up. That's how horrified she
00:53:53.500
was at what she was being forced to do. But Combs encouraged her to continue. Jane, she testified,
00:53:59.880
felt absolutely terrible. I was just disgusted, she said. I was repulsed. She said she subsequently
00:54:07.560
developed a urinary tract infection and a yeast infection. She texted Combs, he placed and paid
00:54:13.520
all of these harmful men on me and risked my health. She told him the relationship was never love
00:54:19.000
and quote, I regret everything and all this dark, toxic shit that entered my life. She testified about
00:54:28.000
how that night in that hotel room, she was forced to, well, she had sex with the two escorts.
00:54:39.980
That's when she got sick and went back into the bathroom and said, I can't, I can't do this anymore.
00:54:43.740
And he said, oh good. You threw up. Now you'll feel better. Now get back out there.
00:54:51.520
And she went back out there and there was a third escort that she had sex with.
00:54:57.440
This is, this is an animal. He's an animal. He tried to make her into a barnyard animal.
00:55:04.240
There's something deeply wrong with this man. I don't give a shit about his fucking gray sweater
00:55:09.000
and his little collar and his Bible. How dare he bring the Bible in there? How dare he pretend to
00:55:16.220
understand the Bible or God or goodness? He's the living opposite. He's a devil in a gray sweater.
00:55:28.400
This stuff is so beyond disgusting. I, I don't, I need to know how I need to know what happened to him,
00:55:36.340
that he behaved like this, that he became like this with people. He was supposed to love people.
00:55:43.560
He was supposed to take care of. It's just, Jane says Combs threatened to release her sex tapes
00:55:52.100
to her child's father. Uh, she testified at one point after Cassie Ventura's lawsuit became public.
00:56:00.180
And she says she almost fainted. She said, I think, in fact, I think I did faint. It was a nightmare.
00:56:06.480
I can't believe I'm reading my own story. She texted Combs immediately. I feel like I'm reading
00:56:11.820
my own sexual trauma. The sick part is you knew this was coming and you gaslit me. You made me feel
00:56:17.240
crazy about the sex trauma I was developing, knowing you've been here before. It's also clear
00:56:22.240
that this was sexual exploitation that you framed as love for your sick fetishes. Jane's not dumb.
00:56:28.700
The court then heard audio of a conversation Jane had with Combs a few days later in which Combs tells
00:56:34.140
Jane he needs her friendship and that they need to get through this together. I need you to be there
00:56:40.020
for me. He said, you know, you don't get to worry about anything else. Jane testified that she took
00:56:44.840
that to mean he would continue to pay for her rent if she cooperated with him. Um, she says
00:56:54.840
she testified at one point about Ventura's lawsuit becoming public and that Combs told her to quote
00:57:02.500
charge me for your resentment over the relationship. I just need you to get over this. She recalled
00:57:09.260
Combs telling her, I don't want any loose ends. After Jane proposed, he pay her $150,000,
00:57:15.520
which is a pittance. I say pittance. Cassie testified. She settled that case for 20 million
00:57:20.680
bucks. Combs accused her of being an opportunist, threatened to release video recordings of her
00:57:26.040
having sex with other men during hotel hotel nights to the father of her child. Jane said that
00:57:32.220
she reported the threats to KK, Christina Coran, Combs' chief of staff, and asked Coran to intervene.
00:57:39.840
According to Jane, KK assured her that nothing would happen and that she and Combs just needed to give
00:57:44.240
each other space. Again, his enterprise around her, KK, around him, KK, and others are part of the
00:57:52.440
alleged enterprise engaging in the criminal conspiracy. Um, she also testified, and I'll wrap
00:57:59.780
it up after this. She testified that he beat her. She admits that in this beating, she hit him back.
00:58:09.020
Let's not kid ourselves, people. He, he was twice her size. She's a small little thing. She told the
00:58:16.700
court that in 2024, this is after, it's after the three men in the hotel and her vomiting and him
00:58:26.500
saying, that's good. You'll be ready to go back out there. It's after where the, don't wear the condom.
00:58:32.220
It's after I feel like a barnyard animal. It's just, if you understand women who go back to men
00:58:39.240
who abuse them, then you can understand Jane's decisions better too. She told the court, she
00:58:44.500
missed him 2024 and that they eventually got back to back together. June 18th, 2024. He came to her
00:58:52.700
house in Los Angeles after he got back from a family trip to Utah. She doesn't get to go on the family
00:58:56.520
trips. They got, neither did Cassie, by the way, this is one of Cassie's complaints. She was also the
00:59:01.400
side piece animal kept in a pen asked to perform. She was not, she was never the main squeeze. And
00:59:06.600
she saw him like Jane did out with other women who were, you know, presentable, okay to be seen
00:59:11.420
with in public. The others occasionally did, but they knew that they weren't really being presented
00:59:15.260
as the girlfriend. And they got into an argument that escalated into physical violence. Said she was
00:59:20.540
upset by a young woman that she thought he was with on that trip and called him a pedophile. Said she
00:59:26.320
pushed his head into a marble counter and started throwing candles around the house and locked herself in a
00:59:30.880
bathroom. Combs kicked the bathroom door off of its hinges, she said. So she ran into a closet
00:59:35.360
and then tried to leave. Jane said Combs caught her at the front door, kicked her in the thigh and put
00:59:41.400
her in a chokehold. She said she was able to squirm out of it and ran outside. Testified she returned to
00:59:46.480
the house thinking Combs had left, but he followed her inside. This time she said she hid in the guest
00:59:51.960
bedroom and locked the door, which Combs also kicked in. He was after her man and he meant business.
00:59:56.780
Then ran onto the patio. Think of him this angry. Think of what you saw in that videotape.
01:00:02.080
How would you like that man running after you as a hundred pound woman? Where they punched each
01:00:06.340
other. Jane said she went into a ball on the ground in her backyard as Combs kicked and punched her.
01:00:12.980
She said he grabbed her by the hair and dragged her back into the house. Where have we seen that
01:00:16.180
before? Does that sound like a pattern to you? Shortly after the fight, Combs invited a male
01:00:21.980
entertainer over because he said, we're not going to end the night and we're not going to end the
01:00:28.700
night like this. I, this is like the lowest moment I've had in this whole trial. This is after the three
01:00:35.520
escorts. This is after you threw up so you can do more. This is after all the other things. She gets
01:00:40.560
back with him. She, she gets beaten by him. She runs, she keeps locking doors down that he busts down.
01:00:47.260
He kicks and punches and beats the shit out of her. And then he says, we're having a hotel night.
01:00:56.140
A male escort is coming over. Jane said he told her to put on makeup and put her hair to the side
01:01:04.680
to cover her injuries and insisted she take an ecstasy pill before having sex with the male escort
01:01:13.280
while Combs watched. She told the court Combs had his assistant and a security guard later deliver
01:01:19.520
10,000 to $12,000 in cash for damage to the home, which included four broken doors and to pay the
01:01:25.200
male escort who did come and have a hotel night. Photos of the damaged doors were shown in court.
01:01:33.940
I like, I can't, I guess I need to tell you at this point, he denies all these allegations.
01:01:38.560
He's entitled to the presumption of innocence. Some of the testimony of some witnesses has fallen
01:01:47.060
apart. Like the one woman who acted as his chief of staff for a period of time, uh,
01:01:55.680
Bangolan, the one who said he dangled her over the balcony. He's produced, uh, receipts and cross
01:02:01.420
examination that show her alleged pictures of injuries are from a time when he was out of the
01:02:06.640
country. She fell apart on the stand. It was a major victory for Diddy. So we cannot take
01:02:13.540
everybody's word as gospel. And he has not yet begun presenting his defense. What we know that
01:02:18.840
that helps him. We know from his cross examinations of these witnesses, but I'm sorry. You're never
01:02:26.600
going to convince me. These women are making this shit up. His defense, by the way, with most like
01:02:30.960
with Cassie and with Jane appears to be like, at some times you consented and you took the money
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and you liked having an apartment or in Cassie's case, you liked having the trappings of wealth
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and somebody to produce your records. It does not appear to be, they did not do this stuff
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that he's not an inhumane, callous asshole. I just like, it's, it's overwhelming. I'm, I guess I
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should have included like a warning before we did this show for people who've experienced sexual
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violence or domestic violence. Cause I, I know this stuff actually can be triggering.
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I am thankfully not a victim of such violence, but I've interviewed and known so many that I know
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this actually can be triggering. So my apologies for not putting that up front. I assume you kind
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of know it when we're going to get into the Diddy case, but that's where we are. The government's
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proving its case. This guy's going to be convicted. I will be stunned if he does not get convicted
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and he's likely going to jail for the rest of his natural life, which is where he belongs.
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He should not be able to prowl the world seeking the ruination of souls. If you know the reference.
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Um, okay. Sorry to end on such a dark note, but I guess the positive on all of this is he's
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caught. He is on trial right now because we have a justice system that recognizes these are crimes.
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You're actually not allowed to coerce women into sexual acts with prostitutes and make them effective
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prostitutes against their will over and over and over again by threatening to tell their baby daddy
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or their parents or the world that they're the sluts you've turned them into. You're not allowed to do
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that. It actually is a crime. It counts as sex trafficking by force, which is the second and
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one of most serious crimes he's charged with. So I, I don't care that it's Maureen Comey. I don't care.
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The prosecution's right. This case was proper. That's my opinion. Um, and we'll, we'll wait to
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see what his defense is. There actually is serious talk about him possibly taking the stand, which I
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believe would be a mistake. The reason some think it wouldn't be is because clearly this man has the
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devil's ability to charm or this wouldn't have gone on for so long. Some, somebody on his staff
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would have done something clearly, right? Like somebody would have said, gee, I think you fire
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bombed somebody's car. We should probably call the cops or somebody would have said, I'm watching you
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beat woman after woman. A lot of the staff saw that and did nothing. Um, and clearly he's got some
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mystical ability. And again, I believe it's related to his enormous money wallet and fame,
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enormous fame and people falling under his spell, like a cult master almost. Um, so maybe they're
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banking on that same, is it charisma? Is it like the ability to sound self-deprecating? That was
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Danny. The fact that you're a huge star, he can't buy the jury. He can't offer them a roof over their
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heads. He can't threaten them. So I'm not sure you can bank on those abilities if he were to take
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the stand. So I do feel heartened that the prosecution was brought, you know, in a way it's
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like the Epstein trial that we never got this gross, disgusting, super rich, super connected guy who
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just over and over exploited vulnerable women. And we never got to see this with Jeffrey Epstein,
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but we're getting to see it with Sean Diddy Combs and he deserves every freaking minute of it.
01:06:09.580
My only regret is that these women aren't on camera because it would be even more powerful
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for us to see their testimonials. But I appreciate it for their sakes that it's not federal court
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doesn't allow cameras. And I'm sure these women were very happy that it wasn't televised, you know,
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for obvious reasons. Just, you know, I'd like to see, I'd like to have the tape out there. It's just
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very powerful to see the tape and America, like his defenders should be forced to see the tapes
01:06:37.540
and defend them. This is not the Amber Heard trial. The Blake Lively trial is the Amber Heard trial,
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in my opinion. This is not, this is real. He's a deeply problematic man. And I hope justice prevails.
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Okay. On that, I'm going on vacation. We've got some good content queued up for you, uh, while we're
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gone, we'll miss you. Uh, but this is, uh, our, our family vacation where the kids and we go someplace
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great. And I'll tell you the details when we get back. I never liked to really broadcast it in advance
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because then you kind of inviting the paparazzi to show up. It happened to us in Italy. I don't want it
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to happen here. So anyway, a more details when we get back, I won't subject you to a bunch of vacation
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