The Megyn Kelly Show - Kamala Campaign Turns on Each Other, and Trump's New Badass Border Czar, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.940 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:00:16.600 It is legitimately a happy Monday, isn't it? I don't know about you, but I've been on cloud nine since last Tuesday night.

00:00:22.880 I feel great. I really do. I feel like America's already becoming greater than it was just by the promise of a Trump presidency.

00:00:32.640 And he's made some staffing announcements that have me feeling especially so.

00:00:36.620 We'll get to those in just a bit, especially on immigration.

00:00:40.040 Meantime, the left and corporate media, but I repeat myself, are still trying to figure out how it all went so disastrously wrong for them.

00:00:47.720 They believe Dan Seltzer. They believe Dan. They believe Dr. Alan Lipman with his keys and his forecast, who says he was totally right about everything.

00:00:57.660 It was just our racism and misogyny that got in the way of him seeing things clearly.

00:01:01.880 We showed you that on Friday. And we are starting now to get some of it.

00:01:05.720 We still haven't had the big piece. Trust me. I know it's coming. It always does.

00:01:09.000 But we're starting to get some of the juicy details about the Kamala Harris campaign mess.

00:01:13.460 This is what's going to happen. I told you this before.

00:01:15.680 More and more, you're starting to see it. Her team's coming out and blaming President Biden.

00:01:20.960 He's a hot mess. She inherited a mess. You know, she did all she could, but mess, mess, thanks to Joe Biden.

00:01:26.860 And trust me when I tell you the Joe Biden team will be leaking what a disaster she is and was behind the scenes.

00:01:34.800 It's probably happening right now. Some publication is probably in the midst of shoring up their sources.

00:01:40.140 And we're going to have some deep piece that says we spoke to 12 sources who didn't want to go on the record for fear of retribution,

00:01:48.520 even though there can be no retribution now because her career is over.

00:01:52.800 Her political career is done.

00:01:54.960 Meantime, Donald Trump wasting no time getting to work.

00:01:58.480 And as I said, has made some big announcements today, which we will get to me.

00:02:02.980 And there's also drama already unfolding in the U S Senate as they gear up to figure out who the new majority leader will be when the new Republican Senate takes office.

00:02:13.240 OK, joining me now for all of it, the EJs, Emily Jashinsky, D.C. correspondent for Unheard and host of Undercurrents and Eliana Johnson,

00:02:21.400 who is editor in chief of the Washington Free Beacon and co-host of the podcast Ink Stained Wretches.

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00:03:30.320 Ladies, welcome back.

00:03:31.660 Hi, Megan.

00:03:32.060 Hi, Megan.

00:03:32.480 All right, so I'm dying for the big think piece, but it's not here yet, but I will wait.

00:03:38.000 I will be patient.

00:03:39.020 I have no doubt it will come.

00:03:41.460 Okay, I do want to talk about the think pieces that have been out thus far, trying to explain why she lost.

00:03:48.420 And I'll start with Washington Post.

00:03:51.060 How Kamala Harris and Joe Biden lost to Donald Trump and left Democrats in shambles.

00:03:58.620 In shambles.

00:03:59.380 They are in shambles.

00:03:59.980 It's a fair, fair assessment.

00:04:02.740 Okay, it starts with Biden.

00:04:05.100 Biden sucked.

00:04:06.480 He refused to meet with pollsters.

00:04:09.160 He dug in.

00:04:10.320 We had one of the Pod Save America guys out over the weekend saying Biden's internal polls showed that he was going to lose like 49 states.

00:04:19.540 Something like, or 400 electoral votes.

00:04:22.340 Something incredible in this election and still thought he could win somehow.

00:04:27.620 So the general consensus is F Joe Biden.

00:04:31.100 Thanks for coming to where most of us were before.

00:04:33.340 The country's been saying that since the Brandon thing.

00:04:39.240 Let's go Brandon thing.

00:04:40.400 Then I love this.

00:04:43.200 They're blaming Kamala Harris's campaign manager.

00:04:45.900 That makes sense.

00:04:46.680 Of course, you'd always blame the campaign manager to some extent.

00:04:50.580 And yet no one has yet blamed Kamala Harris.

00:04:53.180 Truly.

00:04:53.380 In all these pieces, I have yet to see the person say, she was terrible.

00:04:59.880 She couldn't connect.

00:05:01.180 She couldn't give straight answers.

00:05:02.660 They're much more comfortable, I've got to say, with the white female campaign manager and the white male campaign manager.

00:05:10.360 None of them wants to lay a glove on Kamala.

00:05:13.820 What did Jen O'Malley Dillon do wrong?

00:05:16.140 Well, she insisted on having a larger role in the messaging process.

00:05:19.840 She had come over from Team Biden.

00:05:21.800 Aides just fired ideas into the void.

00:05:24.900 You'd have someone say, what about too risky for too long?

00:05:28.960 And O'Malley Dillon and other senior advisors rejected those pushes as well as others push for just a single word, dangerous.

00:05:38.140 Now, this is obviously campaign aides who felt, to steal a term, unheard by Jen O'Malley Dillon.

00:05:45.940 And now we're like, if only she had taken my great ideas, we would have won.

00:05:50.980 This is all just like teaspoons in the ocean stuff.

00:05:53.700 They're totally not getting it.

00:05:55.160 And the piece goes on to say, finally, the group settled on what they privately called the three U's or the triple U's.

00:06:02.440 Unhinged, unstable, and unchecked.

00:06:05.400 Now, they're right.

00:06:06.340 That's a terrible idea.

00:06:07.200 And they went on to point out that one campaign responded by saying, no one even in the campaign was able to even remember the three U's.

00:06:16.220 I just said them, and even I don't remember.

00:06:18.140 Unhinged, that was one of them.

00:06:19.360 Like, it's not catchy.

00:06:21.540 I'll give you one more, and then I'll get your reaction.

00:06:25.200 One person says, okay, this one's correct because they went to somebody who works for Joe Manchin.

00:06:30.620 It's very simple.

00:06:32.200 If you try to win elections by taking, talking to the elites of this country, you're going to get your ass kicked.

00:06:38.320 There are not enough Beyonce's, Oprah's, or Hollywood elites to elect anyone.

00:06:44.520 And then they go on to talk about how linked their party is to the elites.

00:06:48.800 So of those first two, I think, I mean, some Biden blame.

00:06:53.220 Yes, he stuck around for a long time, but I don't think Biden was the answer to their problems.

00:06:57.580 And I do not think messaging was it, and I do not, and I do think connection to elites is relevant.

00:07:03.060 But they have yet to get to the real core.

00:07:05.240 Ladies, you tell me what you think the real core is.

00:07:08.500 Eliana, I'll start with you.

00:07:09.460 The core of the problem, I think, is what the Democratic Party has come to stand for.

00:07:17.840 And I think the framing of that piece is sort of misleading.

00:07:22.660 It frames it as a, was it Biden or was it Harris?

00:07:27.740 And the truth is that it was both because they came to stand for the same thing.

00:07:33.260 Um, Biden was, Biden had a very problematic record and Harris then refused to distance herself from that record.

00:07:41.800 So, um, it was both of them.

00:07:45.760 It's not that complicated.

00:07:47.920 Um, but the Democratic Party spent the last four years telling voters that the issues that were most important to them,

00:07:56.940 which were the economy and immigration, um, a, that inflation,

00:08:02.020 as it relates to the economy rate first, that it was transitory and then that they weren't reading data right.

00:08:07.640 And that actually, you know, things were getting better, um, and on immigration, uh, telling them that it wasn't a problem.

00:08:14.900 And you just can't win elections that way.

00:08:17.920 Can't win elections that way by telling voters that the things that they perceive as problems aren't problems.

00:08:24.760 That was 100% what they did.

00:08:27.060 Emily, the, uh, they go on like piecemeal to go through like some of the problems.

00:08:32.020 Without really getting to the heart of it.

00:08:33.600 They put, they point out here's when they get to Kamala Harris.

00:08:36.760 She took some quote bananas and quote positions back in 2019 that came back to haunt her.

00:08:43.980 Yeah.

00:08:44.900 Yes, she did.

00:08:45.980 That's, that should be playing a lot higher in your piece.

00:08:48.960 WAPO and her innate, unlike ability and inability to communicate with people's and other, um,

00:08:56.500 they talk about how now they see the John Kelly fascist stuff as a mistake.

00:09:01.240 Many of us were telling them that all along it was rejected.

00:09:04.280 Now they're second guessing having her final speech at the ellipse because it brought up January 6th,

00:09:09.440 which they now are acknowledging may have not been a very powerful closing message.

00:09:13.040 Um, and they get to finally, she went on the view and she didn't distance herself from Joe Biden.

00:09:19.500 Like I love all these piecemeal, you know, hits.

00:09:22.560 I, I don't disagree with those piecemeal hits, but to Eliana's point, she just, they're not getting it.

00:09:28.480 Like what she said, the inflation, if you look at all the polls, what the, what the viewers cared about,

00:09:34.600 they cared about the voters, three things, the top three things.

00:09:38.440 And there's a really interesting survey out right now, backing it up, inflation, immigration, and cultural issues.

00:09:48.000 Yeah. And it's so obvious. I mean, and to some extent, this is why the campaign was always going to be,

00:09:53.660 even though you have Donald Trump is polarizing, like his numbers by election day were higher than they had been in a very long time.

00:09:59.940 His favorables, arguably, if you're looking across like RCP's national average, his favorability was higher than it had ever been.

00:10:05.740 That said, he's still polarizing to a lot of Americans.

00:10:09.040 So they had a shot of doing something, even with inflation and immigration where it was,

00:10:13.880 but they would basically have had to had leaned so, so hard into the nuts and bolts, kitchen table issues.

00:10:21.400 And even with a terrible candidate like Kamala Harris, which everyone has to agree that she is, she's just a bad candidate.

00:10:27.060 She's not a good national politician. Even so, she got like 47% of the popular vote.

00:10:32.040 So there was a world in which Kamala Harris could have been banging the table, talking about immigration,

00:10:38.360 talking about inflation, distancing herself from Joe Biden over and over and over again.

00:10:42.700 She would have had to do that. And not running on January 6th, not running on fascism.

00:10:47.800 Interestingly enough, if you look at the RCP national average of the polling,

00:10:51.500 where you saw Kamala Harris start to dip was on October 23rd.

00:10:55.040 That is the day after the Atlantic story about John Kelly saying that Trump wanted generals like Hitler.

00:11:01.780 That's the day after that story came out.

00:11:03.800 It never recovered after that, which is super interesting because Kamala Harris and Democrats took that story,

00:11:10.140 literally projected it onto Madison Square Garden the night of Trump's rally,

00:11:13.900 and started talking about it nonstop for days afterwards.

00:11:17.020 That should have been obvious that it was distracting from their kitchen table pitch,

00:11:21.460 that their kitchen table pitch wasn't strong enough to begin with.

00:11:24.220 All of these things, it's just so obvious.

00:11:26.960 And to watch the hand-wringing right now from like, as you said, Megan,

00:11:30.180 Jon Favreau of Pod Save America, who was covering up for Biden's age over and over again.

00:11:35.760 I mean, it's just like they suddenly, it's okay for them to say some of the obvious

00:11:39.960 and to explore some of the obvious.

00:11:41.460 But they were the ones that were enforcing this really strict position where you couldn't speak truth

00:11:46.720 for months and months.

00:11:47.820 So yes, welcome to the party, everyone.

00:11:49.660 But I'm not impressed by your sudden realizations.

00:11:53.160 Just this morning on the New York Times podcast, the Daily Eliana,

00:11:56.020 they were going through, you know, why her message didn't resonate.

00:11:59.380 And they were trying to take on the economy and inflation.

00:12:03.200 And just the nerve of these guys, the nerve.

00:12:06.760 Where was your honesty about this before the election, when voters were looking for the straight scoop?

00:12:14.300 And frankly, your readers may have been looking for the straight scoop on where she was going wrong prior to the vote.

00:12:21.440 You know, I mean, think about it from their perspective.

00:12:23.600 They wanted to help Kamala Harris.

00:12:25.680 Why wouldn't some honesty prior to the election have done that?

00:12:28.640 Why wouldn't some questions to her, pressing the weaknesses in her position,

00:12:32.200 which tend to shore up a candidate rather than cut them down, have been appropriate prior to November 5.

00:12:39.080 So what they were talking about this morning on the New York Times,

00:12:41.360 this audience is going to appreciate this acutely, was, well, she tried to speak to economic issues.

00:12:48.420 But she had very pinprick strikes that didn't appeal to a wide swath of voters.

00:12:55.840 I have been saying this, and my audience has been writing me about this for months.

00:12:59.860 It's great that she wants to give the child tax credit.

00:13:05.480 But unless you have a child in its first year, it really doesn't help you.

00:13:09.100 It's great that she wants to help first-time homebuyers.

00:13:12.180 But the vast majority of Americans are not in that place in their life,

00:13:15.800 either because they're not yet ready to buy one, they're not interested, they want to rent,

00:13:19.360 or they already bought their first home.

00:13:20.660 It's like her constant focus on diabetes medication.

00:13:25.920 Okay, great if you're a diabetic.

00:13:29.460 Most of us aren't.

00:13:31.480 And even the New York Times is now admitting these were too small.

00:13:35.340 And you look over at Trump, and he's like, I will take on China.

00:13:40.660 I will war with tariffs.

00:13:42.660 I will make sure manufacturing jobs stay here.

00:13:45.480 Stuff that will help everybody, all of the U.S. economy.

00:13:49.220 And he had four years to point to where he actually did have a booming economy.

00:13:53.640 Yeah.

00:13:54.160 You know, on the economy, Harris did, look, there's two separate issues.

00:13:59.900 One is the messages they chose on the various issues.

00:14:03.940 And the other is her ability to articulate and answer questions about issues.

00:14:10.000 And both were problematic.

00:14:11.380 She did try to talk about inflation, but her message on it was, I'm going to address price

00:14:17.420 gouging.

00:14:18.160 And I just don't think that the average American thinks that, you know, the manager of the Safeway

00:14:24.320 down the street or the Piggly Wiggly or whatever is like that their groceries are expensive and

00:14:30.760 shot up, you know, eggs cost three times more because Safeway is price gouging.

00:14:37.100 I don't think, and I'd be curious to see polling numbers on this.

00:14:40.760 I don't think people really believe that.

00:14:43.040 And I would have a hard time thinking that that resonates with people.

00:14:46.540 The other is her ability to have exchanges with voters and reporters about these issues.

00:14:52.840 You mentioned, you know, the Pod Save America bros pressing the weaknesses in her positions.

00:14:58.300 She just did not prove herself a capable candidate in terms of having those sorts of exchanges.

00:15:04.080 And that gets to her just weakness in terms of candidate skills and to the Democratic Party's

00:15:10.920 process around this and that they decided because Biden decided to run and then he decided,

00:15:16.580 you know, you could even go further back.

00:15:18.360 He decided to pick a vice president based on checking gender and race boxes, which he said

00:15:28.980 explicitly at the time.

00:15:30.460 Then he decided to run again.

00:15:32.040 Then he decided to bow out and elevate her without having any sort of competitive process

00:15:36.380 that she just had not been put through the paces by the time she was elevated to the top

00:15:40.540 of the national ticket.

00:15:41.480 And it really did produce sort of, I would say, a perfect storm for the Republican side,

00:15:47.340 but a disaster storm for Democrats where they had a candidate who chose bad policy positions

00:15:53.280 and then couldn't articulate and articulated them poorly.

00:15:58.880 It's amazing because it's like you look back now at how it all unfolded.

00:16:04.260 And at the time of the switcheroo, I mean, I guess I thought that Joe Biden's endorsement

00:16:12.820 of her was forced.

00:16:14.840 That that's that was my general feeling at the time that they kind of leaned on him and

00:16:18.920 said, you got to get out and you got to give her your endorsement because we don't have

00:16:23.740 time for this open primary.

00:16:25.760 And that, frankly, that could still be true.

00:16:28.180 I don't know.

00:16:28.860 But they're changing the messaging on it now or they're they're offering some new messaging

00:16:32.760 because, you know, Emily, there is a question back to your point you just made, whether

00:16:37.780 Kamala Harris could have distanced herself from Joe Biden or whether her not doing that

00:16:47.060 was in any way part of a deal that she made with him.

00:16:51.580 Like, did when he called her up to say, I'm I'm stepping out.

00:16:55.900 Was there some sort of a deal struck where she said, I would love to have your endorsement?

00:17:02.800 And he said, I'll give it so long as you don't run around for the next hundred days bashing me.

00:17:08.280 I don't know what happened in that conversation.

00:17:09.980 But for the first time now, we're learning from Nancy Pelosi, supposedly, that she didn't

00:17:17.140 expect that endorsement and that she allegedly was sitting there waiting for the open primary

00:17:23.040 bottoms up thing that they all told us we got and that we didn't get.

00:17:29.000 And listen here to her here in the New York Times interview she gave.

00:17:34.100 Should there have been an open primary?

00:17:36.020 Well, see, we thought that there would be, you know, it was the anticipation was that

00:17:41.240 that if there if the president were to step aside, that there would be an open primary.

00:17:46.860 And as I say, Kamala may have I think she would have done well in that and been stronger

00:17:52.120 going forward.

00:17:53.040 But what we don't know that that didn't happen.

00:17:56.340 We live with what happened.

00:17:58.120 And because the president endorsed Kamala Harris immediately, that really made it almost impossible

00:18:05.460 to have a primary at that time.

00:18:08.140 It's very interesting.

00:18:11.520 She's basically blaming Biden for Kamala Harris becoming the nominee, suggesting the rest of

00:18:17.020 us were not expecting it to go down like that.

00:18:19.660 But he forced her on us.

00:18:22.840 Yeah, I mean, this is Nancy Pelosi at her, let's say, shrewdest.

00:18:27.200 I guess her political instincts are strong.

00:18:29.260 But I'm also curious as to how hard leaders like Nancy Pelosi were pushing Joe Biden to

00:18:35.700 resign before he ultimately did after that debate, because you can really take the disaster

00:18:41.160 of this election for Democrats all the way back to Joe Biden's decision, A, not to entertain

00:18:45.600 a primary, B, then not to actually listen seriously to public polling.

00:18:51.080 People saw that he was way too old.

00:18:52.500 I mean, the polls, when you go back, it was so obvious that people were like uncomfortable

00:18:56.700 with Joe Biden's age, and now Nancy Pelosi's saying, you know, we all expected an open

00:19:01.240 primary.

00:19:02.200 It's interesting, Megan, because that answer that Kamala Harris gave on The View, I think,

00:19:05.860 was October 8th.

00:19:06.820 And now there's some schadenfreude about Sonny Haasen unintentionally bringing down the Kamala

00:19:11.480 Harris campaign by asking how she'd be different from Joe Biden.

00:19:15.260 And she didn't have an answer other than there's nothing that immediately comes to mind, which

00:19:19.660 I think gets to your theory.

00:19:20.920 It's like, that would be the one question that you would have a scripted and just pitch perfect

00:19:26.260 answer to.

00:19:27.180 That is the one question.

00:19:29.260 And then they did some cleanup on it after that horrible answer.

00:19:33.000 But it does get to your theory.

00:19:34.540 Right.

00:19:35.000 It gets to your theory.

00:19:35.460 It was the kind of cleanup I do of my kitchen.

00:19:37.380 Very path-hearted.

00:19:39.300 It's like, did she have?

00:19:40.480 She didn't have permission.

00:19:42.100 Like, it's possible she didn't have permission to actually go as hard after the Biden legacy

00:19:46.660 as she needed to.

00:19:48.420 And anyone could have told you that.

00:19:49.880 Oh, come on, come on.

00:19:50.460 Anyone could have told you that when the switch happened, that you would need to go to have

00:19:55.140 a successful campaign.

00:19:56.140 You would need to go very, very hard against inflation.

00:19:59.000 You would need to go very, very hard against immigration.

00:20:01.340 Could she have done that?

00:20:02.420 I mean, she would have been lying.

00:20:03.940 She would have been lying.

00:20:04.980 But she could have gone harder.

00:20:07.220 Go ahead, Eliane.

00:20:08.340 No, I don't buy that.

00:20:10.260 Look, she could tell Biden, OK, they made a deal in the back room.

00:20:15.680 Let's just stipulate.

00:20:17.300 Then she gets the nomination.

00:20:18.960 What's he going to do when she starts trashing him?

00:20:22.280 This is, you know, big boys and girls, presidential politics.

00:20:25.920 What's he going to do?

00:20:27.980 I just don't buy that she's so, has, you know, she just felt the need to keep her word so much

00:20:34.960 she couldn't, you know, run a good campaign.

00:20:36.600 Why didn't she do it?

00:20:37.840 Why do you think she didn't go after it?

00:20:39.780 She offered no separation between them.

00:20:42.480 Uh, you know, Occam's razor.

00:20:47.980 She has bad judgment and she's a bad politician.

00:20:50.920 And I think she's always been, I think she's risk averse and she doesn't like to make decisions.

00:20:57.680 And, um, you know, that, that would be my best guess as to why.

00:21:05.560 And, and it takes a certain level of skill to, um, separate yourself from an administration

00:21:12.180 of which you were a part.

00:21:13.360 And I'm not sure she actually has that level of, of rhetorical skill.

00:21:17.200 She's so dumb.

00:21:17.820 I like, I've tried to be crazy.

00:21:19.580 She's so stupid.

00:21:20.500 Is Jen O'Malley Dillon so stupid?

00:21:22.100 David Plouffe is not so stupid.

00:21:23.460 To, to, to understand how to say the following.

00:21:26.400 My role as vice president was to support him and his agenda.

00:21:31.260 No one elected me to enact my agenda.

00:21:34.020 They elected me to be in a supporting role to the guy who won.

00:21:36.780 And I've performed in that role.

00:21:38.840 Now I'm being asked, what is my agenda?

00:21:41.140 And I will tell you, my agenda is we need to do something about the border.

00:21:45.120 We need to do something about inflation that I've seen these problems and I understand

00:21:50.020 the pain people are feeling.

00:21:51.040 And then you just pivot away.

00:21:52.100 Like she was totally incapable of doing even that the advisors must have seen the need

00:21:57.860 to do that.

00:21:58.460 Yeah.

00:22:00.300 Well, Megan, I think you'd make a much more capable presidential camp candidate than Kamala

00:22:04.480 Harris.

00:22:06.020 Or Jen O'Malley Dillon or David Plouffe.

00:22:08.760 Yeah.

00:22:09.040 And I think also that's the thing, like the Biden family, Biden is waning, but Biden is

00:22:13.560 still powerful.

00:22:14.380 The Biden families, his allies are powerful.

00:22:16.340 People like Jen O'Malley Dillon and Biden ally is powerful and would be after a potential

00:22:20.640 Kamala Harris loss.

00:22:21.840 They still are.

00:22:22.940 That's the amazing thing in democratic politics is how often you can fail upward and continue

00:22:28.240 to get successful positions after losing and losing and losing.

00:22:31.780 So all of their like ruminations right now are kind of amusing from the outside.

00:22:35.400 But the sad thing is that there's this tug of war going on.

00:22:38.900 You saw it on MSNBC when Eddie Glaude Jr.

00:22:41.380 And Stephanie Ruhle, Stephanie Ruhle tried to kind of disagree with Eddie Glaude Jr.

00:22:45.080 That this was all about bigotry and racism and misogyny.

00:22:47.540 And she said people voted for Trump because of inflation in their pocketbooks, their bank

00:22:52.300 accounts.

00:22:52.820 And he stepped back in and said, no, that's, you know, basically said that she was out

00:22:58.020 of touch as a white person.

00:22:59.780 And Stephanie Ruhle kind of said-

00:23:01.040 Stand by.

00:23:01.260 Hold your thought on that.

00:23:02.320 I'm going to play the soundbite and take it on the back end.

00:23:03.820 So good.

00:23:05.600 There's this sense, right, that whiteness, right, is under threat.

00:23:10.620 The demographic shifts.

00:23:11.760 The country isn't what-

00:23:12.720 All of these racially ambiguous children on Cheerios commercials are confusing the hell

00:23:17.420 out of me.

00:23:18.280 Eddie, a lot of people voted because their life's too damn expensive.

00:23:22.560 And it was here and it was-

00:23:23.920 They voted for-

00:23:24.740 You're telling me, Stephanie, that all of these people who believe that their lives are-

00:23:29.980 That bread is too high and eggs are too high.

00:23:32.260 That they voted for a convicted felon.

00:23:35.700 A guy who said we can grab the pee.

00:23:38.360 But I think there are tons of people that don't pay attention to-

00:23:41.500 And I'm not defending it.

00:23:42.420 Don't pay attention to politics at all.

00:23:44.060 But while we live in the most prosperous country in the world, people are saying, life's not

00:23:49.380 fair.

00:23:49.940 I'm not doing well.

00:23:51.200 My son's still living in the basement.

00:23:52.880 I can't seem to get a job.

00:23:54.380 I don't like the status quo of voting for something else.

00:23:56.440 I do not believe that.

00:23:59.080 I cannot believe that.

00:24:02.780 And the reason I think you believe it is because you don't want to believe that that's what's

00:24:07.980 really motivating them.

00:24:09.380 But it's always the case.

00:24:12.320 People don't want to believe what the country actually is.

00:24:16.360 Because if they believe it, they're going to have to confront what's in them.

00:24:20.120 Princeton University professor.

00:24:21.880 Good Lord.

00:24:23.140 Can I just say one thing?

00:24:24.100 Like, all of it.

00:24:25.340 You know, even her.

00:24:26.680 I'm not defending it.

00:24:28.300 They're uninformed.

00:24:29.720 I mean, I just want to concede that they're uninformed.

00:24:31.760 I'm not defending it.

00:24:32.760 They don't have the time to understand what a fascist, awful person he is.

00:24:36.820 So they just voted for their pocketbook.

00:24:39.140 And then him, Emily, playing like the emotion.

00:24:42.800 You don't get it.

00:24:44.040 He's basically playing the race card.

00:24:45.780 Like, you don't understand.

00:24:47.440 You don't want to believe what the country is.

00:24:49.620 But I have to live it.

00:24:51.560 I would have laughed in his face.

00:24:53.060 It would have been fun to laugh in his face.

00:24:55.760 Honestly, one of these days I want to sit down.

00:24:58.240 I have a lot of black listeners and viewers to this show.

00:25:01.520 I would love to see any one of them sitting across from this guy playing his empty race

00:25:08.000 card over and over.

00:25:09.820 He only worked against Stephanie Ruhle because she has currency with these white liberal elites

00:25:15.000 who need you to feel that way.

00:25:17.880 You need to accept Eddie's worldview in order to be invited back to the cocktail party.

00:25:23.120 So she's got to be like, oh, yeah, yeah, I feel the same.

00:25:25.740 We're terrible.

00:25:26.260 We're terrible.

00:25:26.840 But, you know, it's just like they didn't do their homework.

00:25:28.880 Anyway, sorry.

00:25:29.800 Go ahead.

00:25:30.080 No, she's my favorite.

00:25:31.760 I call her Stephanie.

00:25:32.700 What about Park Avenue rule?

00:25:34.000 Because one time she actually challenged Biden for demonizing Park Avenue and said people

00:25:38.660 who live on Park Avenue are Americans too, Mr. Biden.

00:25:41.980 Amazing.

00:25:42.700 But that is, I mean, I was thinking the same thing.

00:25:45.300 I was like, I would love to see a black Trump supporter in conversation with Eddie Glaude Jr.

00:25:49.840 Because it is just so insulated.

00:25:52.080 But this is what's happening in the party right now is you have like half of the voices saying

00:25:56.540 that this was about misogyny and racism and the problem was with America, not with Kamala

00:26:00.940 Harris.

00:26:01.420 Then you have the other half, people like Jon Favreau and Ezra Klein, who are now trying

00:26:05.900 to say the Democratic Party is fundamentally out of touch.

00:26:08.500 You have to start treating people like Joe Biden or Joe Biden, Joe Rogan, who is a median

00:26:13.000 voter, who's not a conservative person at all.

00:26:15.420 You have to start treating him with respect and you have to start treating him seriously

00:26:18.000 and you have to start treating his listeners with respect.

00:26:20.660 And those two positions, what I find amusing and also kind of disgusting about it is that

00:26:25.300 the people who are playing the race and sex card are holding everyone else hostage and

00:26:30.500 prisoner because they, and by the way, everyone else who is now trying to course correct is

00:26:34.600 responsible for their own hostage situation because they emboldened and they promoted that

00:26:40.940 bullshit for years and years and years.

00:26:43.140 And now they're actually trying to course correct and they can't because they're being held back

00:26:47.400 by Eddie Glob Jr., who said just the dumbest stuff right there and has been promoted to

00:26:51.960 be on MSNBC like every minute of every day.

00:26:54.500 If you look up at MSNBC, there he is because they wanted, they were supporting and promoting

00:26:59.140 those ideas about American voters.

00:27:01.660 That's so right, Emily.

00:27:02.960 That is so brilliant.

00:27:03.800 That's exactly right.

00:27:04.600 They painted their own prison cells and now they're locked in them and can't figure out

00:27:08.700 how to get out of them.

00:27:10.140 And Eddie's on the outside like that you're where you belong.

00:27:13.660 Here's just a little bit more from this guy.

00:27:15.000 The audience may remember we ran a soundbite of him.

00:27:17.400 In October, where he almost broke down on MSNBC.

00:27:21.080 Watch.

00:27:22.520 He's dangerous.

00:27:24.440 He's dangerous to particular people because we've got to keep this troglodyte out of office

00:27:30.240 because if he comes in, our babies are going to be in danger because remember, those young

00:27:35.480 children are going to grow up with the memory of having to not go to school for the threat

00:27:40.580 of bombs.

00:27:41.220 And somebody told him that their moms and dads eat cats.

00:27:44.260 They eat cats and dogs.

00:27:46.140 I'll get myself together with Claire.

00:27:50.620 Okay.

00:27:51.620 Take a minute.

00:27:52.460 Deep breaths.

00:27:53.340 Oh, my God.

00:27:54.000 Well, what about that?

00:27:56.820 Eddie, he did need a minute to find his balls.

00:28:00.000 Like, what's with the blubbering?

00:28:02.080 Like, oh, they're going to have to.

00:28:03.380 Oh, my God.

00:28:04.040 The bomb threats were bullshit from a foreign country.

00:28:07.660 Of course, they're talking about Springfield, Ohio, in the wake of the dogs and cats thing.

00:28:13.760 Like, but this is a car.

00:28:15.580 This is a manipulation, Eliana, by this guy to be on there like, I'm crying because I'm

00:28:20.440 black.

00:28:20.920 And the children were shamed by the by the dogs and cats thing.

00:28:25.560 And here he is again.

00:28:26.560 Now to Stephanie rule, like you just don't want to admit what America is to people like

00:28:31.460 me there.

00:28:32.460 The whole point of this, and I made this point on Friday, is there's no excising that lunacy

00:28:38.180 from the Democrat Party.

00:28:40.160 They made the Eddie Glaude Juniors, and they're going to have to live with the Eddie Glaude

00:28:45.160 Juniors.

00:28:45.760 And I don't know what their future looks like, but they cannot coexist in the same party if

00:28:52.380 they try to take out their fealty to identity politics.

00:28:56.680 Well, Megan, you you asked, why didn't Harris throw Biden under the bus and say, you know,

00:29:01.600 inflation is a huge problem.

00:29:03.120 Immigration is a huge problem.

00:29:04.440 And I think part of it was fear of the Eddie Glaude Jr.

00:29:07.360 wing of the party and how they would react if they saw her pivot to say, you know, the

00:29:13.940 concerns of Trump, that the concerns Trump raises and the concerns of his voters are serious

00:29:18.920 because that faction of the party simply doesn't believe that they believe that the animating

00:29:25.140 force of those voters is racism, misogyny and bigotry.

00:29:29.380 And I think, you know, there was no point throughout this election at which she was willing to stand

00:29:35.860 up to the far left of the party, including in clarifying why she had pivoted away from some

00:29:41.680 of her, you know, Looney Tunes 2019 positions.

00:29:45.600 And I do think I do.

00:29:47.180 I think that's probably the best explanation for why she didn't disown Biden.

00:29:52.260 And the other thing I would say about Eddie Glaude Jr., et cetera, is Trump thrives off of

00:29:57.240 that off of the dynamic of their existence.

00:30:00.620 Um, their views are so alienating to the MAGA wing of the party.

00:30:06.580 Um, and, uh, uh, he, he truly thrives off of that dynamic.

00:30:12.520 And, you know, when I, when I see that sort of thing, my response is sort of like, keep,

00:30:18.000 keep going.

00:30:18.960 Um, because they are propelling, um, you know, every time one of those clip airs, a new Trump

00:30:25.700 voter is created.

00:30:26.600 Well, there's a really quick point on this.

00:30:29.000 Did you guys see Seth Moulton, his representative said something about, uh, how, you know, we

00:30:33.560 shouldn't have boys competing in sports.

00:30:35.840 His staff quit.

00:30:37.040 He said that after the election, two of his staffers quit.

00:30:40.400 This is the perfect illustration of them painting themselves into their own prisons.

00:30:44.640 He is exactly the example because Seth Moulton has been 180 degrees away from where he purports

00:30:53.980 to now be when it comes to his legislative record.

00:30:57.640 He's upset.

00:30:58.600 His girls might have to play against boys on the, on the field hockey field.

00:31:02.680 It's because of you, Seth, that they do.

00:31:05.380 You oppose the legislation that would have stopped it.

00:31:07.980 You wrote, you co-sponsored and voted for legislation that would require it.

00:31:13.580 Screw you and your totally false, empty protest stations.

00:31:17.220 Now, either you're lying right now about your concerns about your daughters or you're telling

00:31:21.360 the truth and you completely effed them just to get voter support behind you when you actually

00:31:26.600 had the pen in your hand.

00:31:27.740 Either way, you're a cretin.

00:31:29.600 You're a hundred percent exactly what's wrong with politicians today.

00:31:33.700 I can't stand you.

00:31:35.000 You make me want to move to Massachusetts where I am admitted to practice law, sir, and run

00:31:40.240 against you.

00:31:41.340 Maybe I'll file some legal challenge against you.

00:31:43.300 If I don't decide to run for office, I'm not going to have to dust off my Massachusetts

00:31:47.120 bar card to make sure you get effed like you effed the girls of Massachusetts.

00:31:52.140 Okay, sorry.

00:31:53.720 I'm not sorry, actually.

00:31:55.180 So on the, on the focus of identity politics and the impossibility of getting rid of the

00:31:59.980 Eddie Glaude Jr. strain, it's not just him.

00:32:02.240 It's the strain of the Democrat party.

00:32:05.140 We've got to spend another minute.

00:32:06.480 Yes.

00:32:06.820 Another minute on Joy Reid.

00:32:08.360 And it's a tick tock situation until her ass is fired.

00:32:13.560 It's just, there's no way MSNBC, which is in a full meltdown now about how bad their

00:32:18.260 losses were.

00:32:19.200 There's no way they can keep this woman.

00:32:20.780 I don't like, I realize they're in the same problem that the Democrat party is like they

00:32:24.960 have a base that they need to keep, but she and her little friend, Ellie Mistal are truly

00:32:29.020 the most racist people on television.

00:32:30.360 And here's her latest messaging as some groups indeed are reportedly planning some March,

00:32:37.600 like the women's March.

00:32:38.720 Now they're trying to get a March ready.

00:32:40.620 That'll, that'll do it.

00:32:42.800 They're going to bust out their P hats again.

00:32:45.220 Okay.

00:32:45.760 All right.

00:32:46.740 They worked out so well the last time.

00:32:48.680 And listen to Joy Reid's reaction.

00:32:51.180 Hey, I just want to give some free advice to the white progressives, particularly white

00:32:59.320 progressive women who may be thinking about marching against the Trump victory, maybe putting

00:33:05.540 back on the P word hats and doing that thing.

00:33:07.760 I would just say probably don't send any of those invites to any black women, you know.

00:33:14.760 I'm just going to tell you right now, they're not coming.

00:33:16.500 Like, uh, I'm pretty sure black women have resigned from the save America coalition, save

00:33:23.260 democracy coalition, and definitely the save the democratic party coalition.

00:33:26.860 I think that's probably not happening.

00:33:28.480 I would just keep those invites maybe among your own friends.

00:33:32.200 Cause I don't think, I don't think they're coming.

00:33:34.320 Um, but yeah, I think black, um, women are now on the save black women, uh, prioritize black

00:33:41.400 men and prioritize black communities, black businesses.

00:33:44.800 And that, uh, and you know, the black spaces, but save America, save the democratic party.

00:33:50.320 Yeah.

00:33:50.540 I don't think that's happening.

00:33:53.320 Okay.

00:33:53.980 First of all, where is your hair?

00:33:56.160 What, what happened to your hair?

00:33:57.700 Joy Reid, it's gone.

00:33:58.520 Like it's gone from like, it looked like Trump's hair and now it's gone altogether.

00:34:04.060 Anywho, this is what happens when you get bitter and bitter and bitter.

00:34:06.820 And we've seen all these women shaving off their hair online.

00:34:09.440 Have you seen this?

00:34:10.200 This is like part of the resistance effort to telegraph that you hate Trump.

00:34:13.420 These, you know, somewhat okay looking women are shaving off their hair.

00:34:17.840 So I don't know if that is what she did there, but we already knew that you were a far lefty.

00:34:21.800 You didn't have to shave your head.

00:34:23.040 Uh, second of all the nerve, like this is what happens, right?

00:34:27.120 Emily, she looks at the white progressive women as like, what, what more self-flagellation

00:34:33.420 could white progressive women have done to earn the little pat on the head from the Joy Reads of the world?

00:34:40.400 Ladies, pay attention.

00:34:42.300 It doesn't get you anywhere.

00:34:43.640 If the conservative women or the more moderate white women let you down, you will be lumped in.

00:34:50.260 Your whiteness comes first before you, your progressivism does in this battlefield.

00:34:55.380 You will be diminished.

00:34:56.240 You will be rejected by the Joy Reads of the world until what, until Joy Reed gets her way

00:35:02.040 at the ballot box, Emily.

00:35:03.980 Well, and Joy Reed is really speaking on behalf of elite progressive black women.

00:35:08.020 She's not speaking on behalf of black women as a whole, because what we've seen over and

00:35:12.320 over again in polling is that, uh, the sort of democratic party and its activists are far

00:35:18.360 further to the left of actual black voters, Hispanic voters, uh, than they are themselves.

00:35:24.260 So on issues like policing on issues like economics, like they tend to be cultural issues for sure.

00:35:30.380 The people like Joy Reed who are in elite media spaces are further to the left.

00:35:34.380 And so her sort of going and giving this free advice as though anybody should care about her

00:35:40.180 free advice after what just happened and her performance as a journalist over the course

00:35:44.420 of the cycle, uh, is hilarious, but I am curious what MSNBC does about like overt racism coming

00:35:51.160 from Joy Reed and Nellie Nistal, which happens all of the time on their shows.

00:35:55.140 Do they now recognize it as toxic racism?

00:35:58.620 Um, now that it's sort of been clear, it's been rejected by voters.

00:36:01.500 It kind of gives them license to say, all right, this is not working.

00:36:04.580 This is too far.

00:36:05.520 This is radical.

00:36:06.380 This is extremism.

00:36:07.500 Uh, we're platforming it.

00:36:08.840 You know, those are executives in the C-suites who are thinking through these questions.

00:36:12.320 And so they now say we have to stop platforming this extreme racism and acting like it's constructive

00:36:16.700 and healthy.

00:36:17.420 I'm actually pretty curious about that.

00:36:19.880 Me too.

00:36:20.340 Here's a little bit more from her.

00:36:21.680 Her warnings post his victory.

00:36:23.500 Eliana sought 20.

00:36:25.000 Don't think because you have a green card and came through the right way.

00:36:28.560 If you're Brown, you may not stick around.

00:36:31.360 I don't think they care whether you have a green card or not.

00:36:33.680 They're pulling people out and taking people out of this country, whether they like it or not,

00:36:39.260 Ali, or whether you voted for them or not.

00:36:41.000 Surprise.

00:36:41.260 So he's going to deport all Brown people, even if you're here legally, like this NBC owns MSNBC.

00:36:52.140 And this organization is allowing her to spew this racist hate on their channel that he's

00:37:00.800 going to deport all Brown people, even those here legally, Eliana truly.

00:37:07.000 How long can can they allow this?

00:37:11.260 And can that party with that kind of thinking survive?

00:37:15.580 You know, there have been a couple news articles that have floated the idea that NBC, that Comcast

00:37:22.500 may may sell MSNBC.

00:37:24.620 And I do think that's being floated for reasons like this, because although the cable news network,

00:37:32.300 the cable news arm of the network makes money, it does cause some problems for the larger

00:37:38.820 enterprise.

00:37:39.380 And I wouldn't be totally shocked to see that happen.

00:37:43.300 A lot of the headlines they make are for clips like like the ones you just played.

00:37:47.900 And it's now intentionally being floated in the press that this thing may may be spun off

00:37:53.820 into its own orbit.

00:37:54.840 And Joy Reid will be a big part of that.

00:37:57.520 But also, you know, some of the stuff that's on Morning Joe and elsewhere, it is all over

00:38:01.600 the network, which has intentionally defined itself as a as a resistance network.

00:38:07.480 You know, you recall the the absolute hysterics over the fact that Ronna McDaniel was brought

00:38:14.520 on as a contributor where it was MSNBC hosts that torpedoed something that NBC was trying

00:38:21.480 to do.

00:38:21.780 She was supposed to be a contributor for NBC and things like that.

00:38:26.020 So I actually wouldn't be shocked to see it be sold.

00:38:29.440 Because why?

00:38:30.340 Because she's she was a paid liar because because she attacked the media.

00:38:34.420 She and it's like that they're worried about her being a paid liar from a woman who's saying

00:38:38.820 Trump is going to deport all brown people, even those who are here love.

00:38:43.420 But they care about honesty, Eliana.

00:38:45.160 Yeah, because it's a constant public relations liability for the larger NBC News, Comcast

00:38:52.000 enterprise.

00:38:53.620 Yeah.

00:38:54.260 Oh, indeed.

00:38:54.900 And look, the stuff that she's peddling, like if she wants a race riot, that's really what

00:39:01.280 you take away.

00:39:02.360 Listening to Joy Reid, she actually does want some sort of rioting in the street, some sort

00:39:06.680 of race revolt she had on this person.

00:39:09.320 Again, this is just on Friday.

00:39:10.580 This is an ancient history to counsel people who don't want to be around their family members

00:39:17.840 who voted Trump.

00:39:19.140 And sadly, this actually may have been necessary, because if you go online, you will see a ton

00:39:25.520 of lunatics who actually are talking about disowning family members who voted Trump.

00:39:31.480 Listen here.

00:39:33.160 You know someone voted that way.

00:39:35.460 Do you recommend just from a psychological standpoint being around them?

00:39:38.860 We got the holidays coming up.

00:39:41.180 So I love that you asked this question because, you know, there is a push, I think just a societal

00:39:46.620 norm that if somebody is your family, that they are entitled to your time.

00:39:52.580 And I think the answer is absolutely not.

00:39:55.120 So if you are going into a situation where you have family members, where you have close

00:39:59.920 friends who you know have voted in ways that are against you, like what you said, against

00:40:06.120 your livelihood, and it's completely fine to not be around those people and to tell them

00:40:12.580 why, you know, to say, I have a problem with the way that you voted because it went against

00:40:17.820 my very livelihood and I'm not going to be around you this holiday.

00:40:21.180 I need to take some space for me.

00:40:22.740 And I actually talk to, you know, adults as well as advising parents for children.

00:40:29.500 I mean, I think, you know, I don't think that you should force children.

00:40:32.740 I don't think you should force adults to be around people just because they're your family.

00:40:36.340 I think there is a level of, you know, need to establish boundaries.

00:40:40.680 And if you feel like you need to establish boundaries with people, whether they're your

00:40:44.920 family or not, I think you should very much be entitled to do so.

00:40:48.600 And I think it may be essential for your mental health.

00:40:52.180 These people are sick.

00:40:54.500 They're sick.

00:40:55.240 Emily.

00:40:55.580 I look at this whole thing is like it started in the Democratic Party like a like a cancer,

00:40:59.960 like a basal cell that maybe you could just removed and moved on without too much invasive

00:41:04.920 things, too many invasive things happening to you.

00:41:08.120 And now it is a full blown metastatic pancreatic cancer.

00:41:13.720 And the Joy Reeds and the Eddie Glauds, they're everywhere.

00:41:17.840 And this woman who says not not just you, but your children, they need to get them away from

00:41:22.920 people who are pro Trump.

00:41:24.260 OK, good luck with that, because children go to school and they see children who disagree

00:41:28.200 with things.

00:41:28.740 And you want your children not to see Nana and Pop Pop, who are in their 80s, who voted

00:41:33.780 for Trump for reasons like wisdom that comes with age.

00:41:37.200 But you've got to turn it into they're racist and they can't be around each other.

00:41:41.860 This is it's sick.

00:41:43.860 So and also like something like three in 10 black men under the age of 45, according to

00:41:48.640 the Associated Press, voted for Donald Trump.

00:41:51.200 And same thing.

00:41:52.320 He got over 50 percent of the popular vote.

00:41:54.500 So you're talking about just completely blocking off a vast swath of the country.

00:41:58.700 And on top of that, this means basically what Joy Reid is doing is continuing to mainstream

00:42:03.820 these totally abstract academic concepts of internalized racism and internalized misogyny.

00:42:10.540 Like if we pull back the layers of the onion as to what she's trying to argue in that segment,

00:42:15.420 it's that you shouldn't associate even with black voters for Trump or female voters for

00:42:20.580 Trump because they are internalizing misogyny.

00:42:23.620 They're internalizing racism, internalizing sexism.

00:42:26.600 That's what it comes down to at the end of the day, meaning they are then promoting the

00:42:30.540 racism and sexism back out into society.

00:42:33.100 Despite being women or black voters, they're still responsible for this racism over and

00:42:38.800 over again.

00:42:39.260 And we saw this a lot during the Trump years.

00:42:41.200 But this to your point about comparing this metaphorically to cancer, this is a cancer

00:42:45.680 cell that started in academia and people who went through academia were crying for the

00:42:49.620 from the rooftops for years saying, please, please pay attention.

00:42:53.220 This is becoming mainstream.

00:42:55.040 This is being planted.

00:42:56.040 The seed is being planted in the minds of young people and they're moving into C-suites.

00:43:00.280 They're moving into newsrooms.

00:43:01.600 They're moving into boardrooms.

00:43:03.480 Please do something.

00:43:04.360 Like stop throwing them a bone.

00:43:06.200 Stop extending the olive branch.

00:43:07.680 Stop taking this stuff seriously because it is utterly unserious.

00:43:10.800 It is stupid.

00:43:11.900 It is illogical.

00:43:13.140 It is postmodern.

00:43:13.920 And it is stupid.

00:43:15.740 And that's what you now see.

00:43:17.200 And toxic.

00:43:17.800 And yes, and racist and unhealthy and just awful.

00:43:21.540 And this is now what you see having infiltrated fully the newsrooms of major papers and MSNBC.

00:43:28.520 And now what are you going to do about it?

00:43:30.260 I mean, Joy Reid lied about CNN.

00:43:32.460 Joy Reid lied about her blog being hacked when people found old posts on it that were objectionable.

00:43:38.480 She lied about it.

00:43:39.340 And MSNBC kept her.

00:43:40.540 Yes, yes, by her own standard would be wildly homophobic.

00:43:45.480 And she claimed she was hacked and they didn't get rid of her after that.

00:43:48.520 So I mean, I don't know.

00:43:50.400 I don't know.

00:43:51.760 Here's the other piece of it.

00:43:53.400 So watching the left, and that is CNN too, try to grapple with the messaging on the trans issue has been, I'm not going to lie, very entertaining.

00:44:04.640 Like I don't give a shit about them anymore.

00:44:06.540 You accept it.

00:44:07.640 You don't accept it.

00:44:08.500 The rest of the country is forging on without you.

00:44:11.280 Be left in the dust and keep losing or pay attention to us and take us seriously.

00:44:15.400 And like this guy in Massachusetts, I'm perfectly wide open to the idea that you are now on my side and the side of the normies.

00:44:21.780 But you must atone, sir.

00:44:24.060 You must tell us that you realize you've been on the wrong side.

00:44:27.860 You're sorry for your votes.

00:44:29.500 You will now change your votes.

00:44:31.560 And you regret putting young girls in the position that your daughters have been in.

00:44:36.140 Then you're welcome.

00:44:36.880 But you're not just going to skip on over.

00:44:39.020 And smearing people who disagreed with you.

00:44:39.980 They smeared people who disagreed with them for years.

00:44:42.560 The Equality Act.

00:44:43.200 If you disagreed with the Equality Act, you were a bigot.

00:44:45.500 For years they did that.

00:44:47.420 Exactly.

00:44:48.160 So, but they are starting to realize that we were all right.

00:44:53.720 And they've been completely on the wrong side.

00:44:56.160 And the vast majority of Americans are on our side too, the side of the normies.

00:45:00.560 So, here is the thing I mentioned to you earlier.

00:45:04.200 This is amazing.

00:45:06.460 There is a new public opinion research initiative called Blueprint.

00:45:10.640 It's designed to take a sober, detailed look at what Democrats need to do to win in 2024.

00:45:15.920 Right?

00:45:16.100 So, they were looking at this election and now they'll be looking at the next one.

00:45:20.300 And they did a post-mortem on the vote last week.

00:45:24.060 Why America chose Trump.

00:45:25.940 Inflation, immigration, and the Democratic brand.

00:45:28.820 All right.

00:45:29.080 What does that mean?

00:45:29.900 So, it's this long list.

00:45:31.120 You can see it's like all color-coded.

00:45:32.780 These are the top issues.

00:45:33.840 Then it goes all the way down.

00:45:35.560 And the number one issue, and they, I need my readers on this.

00:45:39.120 That's such a tiny print.

00:45:39.960 Okay, the number one issue is inflation was too high under Biden-Harris.

00:45:48.260 The number two was too many immigrants illegally crossed the border under Biden-Harris.

00:45:54.120 And number three was Kamala Harris is focused more on cultural issues like transgender issues

00:46:00.820 rather than helping the middle class.

00:46:03.980 And if you look at the breakdown by like group, the number one issue.

00:46:09.300 So, overall, for all voters, it was in that order, one, two, and three.

00:46:12.980 But if you look at all swing voters and swing voters who chose Trump, the number one issue

00:46:21.240 was the trans issue.

00:46:23.440 The number one issue.

00:46:27.200 The number one thing that drove the swing state voters to Trump over Harris was the trans

00:46:34.520 issue and the so-called culture wars.

00:46:37.260 So, you go ahead and ignore it at your peril, Democrats, and get used to being a loser because

00:46:46.560 that's the position you'll be in forevermore until you come on board.

00:46:50.340 But they're having a really difficult time coming to terms with it, ladies.

00:46:54.600 I give you the CNN panel on Friday where Jay Michelson basically loses his shit in response

00:47:05.560 to the transgender issue.

00:47:08.000 Watch.

00:47:08.180 I think there are a lot of families out there who don't believe boys should play girls' sports.

00:47:14.340 They're not boys.

00:47:15.280 I'm not going to listen to transphobia at this table.

00:47:17.280 I am not going to listen to you call a trans girl a boy.

00:47:20.900 Are you going to allow me to finish my explanation?

00:47:22.760 When you use a word to slur, I'm going to interrupt.

00:47:25.540 That's not how it is.

00:47:26.600 Jay, just give me a minute.

00:47:27.480 They're not boys.

00:47:28.240 Jay, give me one second.

00:47:29.360 Let's just reset for one second.

00:47:30.880 I'm not going to sit there and listen to that.

00:47:32.280 Let's reset for a second because, look, this is a really heated issue, right?

00:47:36.960 And, Cher Michael, I know you.

00:47:38.460 I know that you understand that people have different views on this.

00:47:42.280 I think out of respect for Jay, like, let's try to talk about this in a way that is respectful.

00:47:49.000 Okay, so let me rephrase this since I'm being targeted here.

00:47:52.540 I don't know.

00:47:53.440 Just to be clear, you are not being targeted.

00:47:54.940 But I am, but it's okay.

00:47:55.720 I'm specifically saying that I know that you are not intending to be transphobic.

00:48:00.980 This whole thing about trans girls is a canard.

00:48:04.100 We're talking about a tiny, tiny sliver of the population.

00:48:06.920 Regular people with children look at these things and they say, you know what?

00:48:11.080 This is a bit too far.

00:48:12.320 You may disagree with that reality, but that's why Republicans kept running those ads over and over and over again because they saw the metrics suggested that they were working.

00:48:20.240 And lying in those ads over and over again and using rhetoric like you just used, saying this is boys playing girls sports.

00:48:25.720 Okay, sure, Michael Singleton, a moderate Republican analyst doing the Lord's work there, trying to correct or stand by the actual biological facts there.

00:48:37.540 And this guy, Jay Michael Singleton, not having it, it's a slur to call a boy a boy.

00:48:43.480 You have to call a boy who says he's trans a girl, a trans girl.

00:48:47.560 And he will not sit on this set and allow that slur to be uttered.

00:48:50.920 And then Abby Phillip, who's just insufferable, comes in to try to, like, regain control and looks at sure, Michael, to say, like, I understand, you know, your intent wasn't to offend.

00:49:05.520 But on this set, we're going to use, you know, language that's not offensive because she, too, just like Stephanie Rule, needs to be in the club.

00:49:14.400 She's got to say it the way the left wants her to say it, or she might lose her elite leftist card.

00:49:21.180 And sure, Michael was 100% right.

00:49:23.760 Just the most gentle pushback, Eliana, of, like, this kind of is an issue.

00:49:28.360 He's probably looking at the chart.

00:49:30.580 And Jay Michelson hasn't seen the chart that if he maintains this nonsense position, he will lose the swing states forever.

00:49:40.480 Eliana.

00:49:40.960 Yeah, that was totally bananas and not the only one of those crazy roundtables that we've seen.

00:49:49.640 And I do actually think Abby Phillip's role there was the most problematic, where she's supposed to be the neutral moderator and weighs in to say, this is not, you know, this is the sort of language we're going to use, which is actually not a neutral position.

00:50:02.940 You know, I think I'm desperate to hear your full answer on this.

00:50:07.140 I've got to squeeze in a quick break for Sirius XM.

00:50:08.820 We'll pick it up right there in just a couple of minutes.

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00:51:07.600 Okay, Eliana, we were talking about the left and its grappling with the trans insanity that they unleashed on us.

00:51:15.420 Oh, you'd played that clip of Abby Phillip trying to regain control of her, you know, crazy panel on CNN.

00:51:24.160 And, you know, one of the guests interrupted another to say, don't say it's boys playing girls sports.

00:51:30.880 They're not boys.

00:51:31.600 They're not boys.

00:51:32.540 And she asked that, you know, the person who said boys playing girls sports use the appropriate language.

00:51:40.000 And that, to me, is the most egregious thing that happened on that panel.

00:51:45.380 You know, the person who said they're not boys, that guy's entitled to his opinion.

00:51:49.900 Sure, Michael's entitled to his opinion.

00:51:51.540 But for the ostensibly neutral CNN anchor to weigh in and say, you know, it's the view of the neutral person that this is the language we're going to use is ridiculous.

00:52:03.640 It's ridiculous.

00:52:04.920 Like, right.

00:52:05.780 The job of the anchor is to say, I will deal in facts.

00:52:09.260 We deal in facts here on the show.

00:52:10.680 The fact is, it's a biological boy.

00:52:14.700 And her panelist, Jay, is the one who needed the correction.

00:52:18.100 You may consider them some sort of a girl, a fake girl, a trans girl, a boy posing as it, whatever your language is.

00:52:25.280 That's okay for you.

00:52:27.000 Here, as the anchor, we need to speak factually or the viewers won't have any clue what the controversy is about.

00:52:35.640 Or to say, like, you know what?

00:52:37.140 On this set, we're going to have room for both opinions.

00:52:39.220 Like, you've got to let this guy talk.

00:52:42.240 Okay, but CNN can't do that because the Associated Press style on transgenderism was changed years ago.

00:52:49.580 And all of these newsrooms abide by it.

00:52:51.500 So speaking on the theme that we've been talking about all show, about being painted into their own prisons, they have all accepted the Associated Press.

00:52:58.500 Even some conservative news outlets at the time accepted the Associated Press guideline on transgenderism.

00:53:04.340 And they did the same thing with immigration.

00:53:06.080 There are all kinds of AP style guide, capitalizing B for Black.

00:53:11.500 Like, these are all changes that the newsrooms have accepted.

00:53:14.480 So if Abby Phillip wanted to be a genuinely neutral moderator, she would have to shirk the Associated Press guideline on discussing transgenderism that her newsroom has accepted as the kind and non-bigoted and civil way to refer to people for years now.

00:53:31.480 Like, they have to, if they want to go back on this, they have to admit that for years and years they were wrong.

00:53:36.860 And I'm kind of interested to see how that goes.

00:53:40.040 You've got Senator Chris Murphy, a Democrat here in my adopted home state of Connecticut, who's out there trying to offer his postmortem.

00:53:47.600 And what happened, it was a cataclysm, electoral map, wipeout, Senate D practical ceiling is now 52 seats.

00:53:54.660 We're up to 53, Chris, FYI.

00:53:57.000 Time to rebuild the left.

00:53:58.520 We're out of touch with the crisis of meaning, purpose, fueling MAGA.

00:54:01.660 We refuse to pick big fights.

00:54:03.740 Our tent is too small.

00:54:05.700 Does racism explain part of the attraction of the right's nativism?

00:54:09.800 Of course.

00:54:11.220 But mass deportation is a terrible response to Americans' real sense that they are helpless in the face of global forces like increased migration.

00:54:19.800 The left largely ignores this pain.

00:54:22.160 So we have to address the pain, but not with the solution of deportation because it's racist, says he.

00:54:27.460 We don't listen enough.

00:54:28.320 We tell people what's good for them, okay?

00:54:30.300 And when progressives like Bernie aggressively go after the elites that hold people down, they're shunned as dangerous populists.

00:54:36.000 Why?

00:54:36.720 Maybe because true economic populism is bad for our high-income base.

00:54:41.280 Correct?

00:54:42.200 And then he says, meanwhile, men tumble into a different kind of identity crisis as the patriarchy, society's primary organizing paradigm for centuries, rightly crashes.

00:54:53.840 Listen to this guy trying to have it both ways, right?

00:54:56.160 Like, they're racist.

00:54:57.700 I understand they're racist because they support Trump and his deportations, but they're not wrong about immigration.

00:55:02.320 The men are having an identity crisis because their patriarchy is rightly crashing.

00:55:09.100 The right pushes an alluring dial back.

00:55:11.260 The left says, get over it.

00:55:12.540 Again, a refusal to listen and offer responsible solutions.

00:55:15.340 You see, we need to crash the patriarchy, but we need to offer responsible solutions to that crashing, which we support and want.

00:55:23.460 We need to recognize their racism in wanting immigrants out, but we need to not mock it.

00:55:29.200 We need to offer a more sensible—this is disgusting.

00:55:31.660 This guy's a MF-er.

00:55:33.320 And you know what's not on his list?

00:55:35.560 Anything having to do with the trans issue, which he, just like that guy in Massachusetts, has been shoving down our throats here in Connecticut, completely on the wrong side.

00:55:45.100 He is a far-left radical.

00:55:47.420 And this is what he was saying two months ago.

00:55:50.780 This is September or October.

00:55:52.200 Watch.

00:55:53.620 As a parent, personally, I celebrate those few transgender kids who often spend their entire adolescence being shamed or marginalized by the kind of small people who push resolutions like this.

00:56:04.140 I celebrate the fact that they get the experience of the camaraderie and the happiness that comes with being part of a sports team.

00:56:11.100 I think that's great.

00:56:12.360 I don't think that's a threat to my kids.

00:56:13.880 I don't think that's a threat to my community or the nation.

00:56:16.500 This is an absurd resolution.

00:56:18.320 It's designed to distract Americans from Republicans' real agenda.

00:56:21.960 It's designed to build a culture of fear and mistrust.

00:56:26.700 He's really focused on the happiness.

00:56:29.220 He wants to make the trans kids happy, Eliana, unlike the girls who are having literally all of their teeth knocked out by boys on the field hockey field.

00:56:39.000 Or the girls, like those in Wisconsin, who went into the girls' locker room after a sports match and had a so-called trans student, an 18-year-old male, come in fully naked to join them in the shower.

00:56:51.980 But Chris Murphy is super glad that the so-called trans student is happy.

00:56:57.600 And all the others who are unhappy, the actual girls who have a right to their privacy and to fair play and safe play, they can F right off in his world because their happiness, it's just not a priority because this is a small number.

00:57:11.540 Look, I think there are going to be a lot of clips like this that Democrats are going to have to reckon with, because the truth is that the party went way too far left and embraced a lot of issues that, you know, America that ended up repelling a majority of Americans.

00:57:27.600 And there's going to be a pivot away from these sorts of cultural issues.

00:57:35.080 And I think it's going to take two or three years for the party to figure out how do they talk about issues that actually matter, both matter to Americans and don't repel them, because the trans issues is one that matters deeply to them.

00:57:49.580 But the way Democrats have been talking about it is one that deeply alienates, you know, most normal people.

00:57:54.920 So I think it's it's this is going to take a while for Democrats to untangle and they're going to have to be willing to make a lot of people in their own coalition very angry.

00:58:04.280 I mean, look at look at that chart, Emily.

00:58:06.980 It's it was the number one issue for swing state voters.

00:58:12.560 Number one, it's above inflation.

00:58:14.700 It's above immigration.

00:58:16.900 Ignore it at your peril.

00:58:18.620 Well, Chris Murphy and all of you other late to the party Democrats who are racking your, you know, wringing your hands and racking your brains trying to figure out how this happened.

00:58:29.040 We all know that while we'd like to think we matter in states like Connecticut, New York and California, the ones who decide the presidency live in those seven critical swing states and they're paying attention.

00:58:39.960 And they've had it with this nonsense.

00:58:42.960 Yeah, by the way, Megan, I mean, we should note when you say it was the number one issue.

00:58:47.280 The Trump campaign also also worked very hard to make it the number one issue and that their best ad was about this issue.

00:58:53.520 And they poured hundreds of millions of dollars into putting that ad on the television sets of swing state voters.

00:58:59.080 And they had a really catchy tagline.

00:59:02.380 Kamala Harris is for they, them and Donald Trump is for you.

00:59:06.500 And so I think it's hard to separate the two because, of course, before the campaign started, voters would have said inflation, immigration are the top two issues.

00:59:15.860 But I think the Trump campaign did a lot to bring out this issue, knowing that it was something that would really alienate, you know, regular independent voters, undecided voters from Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party.

00:59:31.120 To their credit, to their credit, they did.

00:59:32.800 But I have to say the women and the men like Billboard Chris, who have been activists in this space for years, are the ones who made the Trump campaign recognize that they had a live wire here, that there was something in the American populace that was infuriating.

00:59:55.380 A lot of lovely, well-meaning parents who had been tolerant for too long in an effort to be inclusive, not bully, but then had seen a shift to where biological girls, girls were getting bullied and hurt.

01:00:09.940 And even when I talked to Trump a couple of years ago, you know, it was, he was a little on his heels when I said, can a man become a woman?

01:00:17.420 He handled it.

01:00:18.420 But this wasn't really, and I was late to the party, but there have been women and men in this space for a long time who have been really pushing this and have been totally fearless, you know?

01:00:30.300 So I think about them.

01:00:31.720 I thought about them last week, too.

01:00:33.040 It's a massive victory that they made the Trump campaign make this an issue.

01:00:36.320 And look at the response, Emily.

01:00:38.980 Yeah, that is such a good point.

01:00:40.840 I remember when I was covering Title IX back in like 2017 and Betsy DeVos was hesitant about actually undoing some of what the Obama administration had done because the cultural pressure at the time coming from outlets like CNN and the Associated Press and all of these places was so strong that even somebody like Betsy DeVos was being very, very careful about how to handle the issue.

01:01:03.440 And now we fast forward and, I mean, shout out to people like Terry Schilling, the American Principles Project, who when I talked to him a couple of days before the election, I asked him, how are you feeling about suburban women?

01:01:16.080 And one of the things he said was working, was running on pushback against the transgender issue.

01:01:21.540 And that was I found that very, very interesting because what the left was saying at the time is that this is all about kitchen table issues and democracy, lowercase d democracy.

01:01:30.540 You didn't hear from a lot of corporate media outlets that Republicans were having success running on the transgender issue.

01:01:37.980 And what's also interesting about that to me is where the postmodern left, the Eddie Glaude juniors and the right agree, is that this mattered.

01:01:45.600 But the Eddie Glaude juniors of the world will blame it on bigotry.

01:01:48.980 And the right just says we tapped into the common sense of the Joe Rogan listener who doesn't who sees this as another one of the issues the same way as they see it sometimes economic populism.

01:02:00.520 They see this as them being held in contempt by the people in power because there is room for reasonable disagreement on this.

01:02:07.700 They may be pro LGBT.

01:02:09.000 I've talked to parents whose kids went to facilities to deal with their gender dysphoria and were fully going through the transition process because their parents are generally supportive of the LGBT issue.

01:02:22.480 And the parents realized, oh, my gosh, we made a horrible mistake.

01:02:25.320 We thought that we were being supportive.

01:02:27.280 We thought that we were being loving and we were wrong.

01:02:29.540 And people who haven't gone through that or talked to people who have gone through that have no idea how wide the room for disagreement is on this issue, how common sense the people who disagree with this issue are and how far left many of them actually are.

01:02:44.240 I mean, it's just so out of touch to continue carrying on as though this is the only acceptable position that you can have and not understand that for many people, it's not just something they disagree with.

01:02:54.800 It animates them because you're telling them they're stupid and they're bigots if they disagree with you on it.

01:02:59.660 And that's how you get people to the polls for Trump.

01:03:01.520 I mean, I'm I'm terrified to offer a list because there's just been so many great people in this space who have been very bold and brave.

01:03:09.180 But just just to name a few who have definitely influenced me, you got to start with J.K. Rowling, right?

01:03:15.280 You got to look at Abigail Schreier and her amazing book, Irreversible Damage in 2020.

01:03:19.860 And then the women who have just been incredibly smart and advocating on this, like Helen Joyce, like Kelly J. Keene, like Jennifer Billick.

01:03:26.980 Like, even on this show, the women who came on and really kind of helped me see the light on language, not just Kelly J., but also Carrie Prejean Bowler and Britt Mayer came on for a year and they were refusing to do that crap.

01:03:39.380 And I was like, I don't know. And eventually I realized, God, they're totally right.

01:03:44.460 And there's just there's again, I hate to even say Billboard Chris, you know, Matt Walsh.

01:03:48.820 There have been so many folks who have shown total and utter courage, and I'm so grateful to all of them for helping me see the truth and then to get loud about it.

01:03:59.560 And all of us have been loud about it. And finally, we were heard. We were heard by the Trump campaign.

01:04:03.720 Riley Gaines, how could I forget her after her terrible experience with Leah Thomas?

01:04:07.640 So all these women, Chloe Cole, de-transitioner, who's been very brave, who was just a teenager when this was done to her, all of those fierce warriors won on Tuesday.

01:04:20.240 And watching the other side try to deal with that fact is kind of entertaining and extremely gratifying.

01:04:27.260 OK, let's talk about what's happening on Team Trump right now, because it's actually really interesting what he's doing, the announcements he's made.

01:04:33.820 We talked about Susie Wiles on Friday, his new chief of staff. I mean, he hates women, but it's weird because he's made a couple of very big female appointments so far.

01:04:43.220 So I'm weird how he's done that. He announced today he's asked Elise Stefanik, a congresswoman from New York, from upstate New York, to become U.N. ambassador.

01:04:51.620 You know her. She's tough as nails. She's the one who cross-examined those heads of university like Harvard and MIT and just eviscerated them, leading to all the resignations.

01:05:00.460 She'll be great at the U.N. That'll be fun to watch. And you've got, got to hear what he did on immigration.

01:05:07.500 This is so good. It's so good. If you voted for Trump, you're getting dividends already.

01:05:14.080 He's announced that he's going to appoint this man named Tom Homan as his border czar.

01:05:19.380 That's not a position that must be confirmed. So that's good because this guy can do what he want.

01:05:24.360 Hey, if Kamala Harris can be the border czar, so can Tom Homan. He served in the first Trump administration.

01:05:30.420 He was acting director then of ICE, Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

01:05:34.880 And in his announcement, Trump said that Homan, quote, will be in charge of all deportation of illegal aliens back to their country of origin.

01:05:45.820 Homan reacted to the news this morning on Fox. Watch.

01:05:48.260 And look, I've seen, I've seen some of these Democratic governors say they're going to stand in the way.

01:05:54.020 They're going, they're going to make a hard force. Well, I, you know, a suggestion.

01:05:58.140 If you're not going to help us, get the hell out of the way if we're going.

01:06:00.200 Tom, you know, the last person who was border czar, she didn't want to be called border czar.

01:06:04.520 You're proud of it, right?

01:06:06.580 You know what? I'm going to look like a genius because when you follow a failure, you can't help, you can't help succeed, right?

01:06:14.400 He began his career in immigration enforcement back in 1994 as a Border Patrol agent.

01:06:21.820 And while his career background is important, the way he fires back at these bully Democrats on this issue and at the media is a thing of beauty.

01:06:32.960 It's truly beautiful.

01:06:35.000 Last month, he was interviewed by 60 Minutes. Watch.

01:06:37.060 We have seen one estimate that says it would cost $88 billion to deport a million people a year.

01:06:47.740 I don't know if that's accurate or not.

01:06:50.020 Is that what American taxpayers should expect?

01:06:52.880 What price do you put on national security? Is that worth it?

01:06:55.440 Is there a way to carry out mass deportation without separating families?

01:07:00.800 Of course there is.

01:07:03.600 Families can be deported together.

01:07:07.060 Amazing.

01:07:08.620 In 2019, Homan took part in a hearing on Capitol Hill, it's so good, about the Trump administration's border policies.

01:07:16.460 He was accused by a Democratic progressive congressman of not caring about migrant children because of the color of their skin.

01:07:24.940 Do you understand that the consequences of separation of many children will be lifelong trauma and carried across generations?

01:07:33.120 Have we not learned from the internment of Japanese Americans?

01:07:37.720 Mr. Homan, I'm a father.

01:07:39.360 Do you have children?

01:07:40.980 How can you possibly allow this to happen under your watch?

01:07:44.520 Do you not care?

01:07:45.960 Is it because these children don't look like children that are around you?

01:07:50.360 I don't get it.

01:07:52.500 Have you ever held a deceased child in your arms?

01:07:55.140 First of all, your comments are disgusting.

01:07:59.740 I've served my country for 34 years.

01:08:03.600 I find your comments disgusting as well.

01:08:05.680 I've served my country for 34 years.

01:08:07.740 And yes, I held a five-year-old boy in my arms in the back of that tractor trailer.

01:08:11.780 I knelt down beside him and said a prayer for him because I knew what his last 30 minutes of his life were like.

01:08:17.060 And I had a five-year-old son at the time.

01:08:18.740 What I've been trying to do in my 34 years serving my nation is to save lives.

01:08:24.080 So for you to sit there and insult my integrity and my love for my country and for children, that's why this whole thing needs to be fixed.

01:08:33.260 And you're the member of Congress.

01:08:34.380 We agree on that.

01:08:34.820 Fix it.

01:08:35.600 If you want to legalize illegal immigration, good luck with that because it's going to get a hell of a lot worse on that border.

01:08:40.860 If you say, okay, from now on, there will be no consequence, no deterrence.

01:08:44.040 It's not illegal to come to this country illegally.

01:08:45.760 More families will come.

01:08:46.920 31% of women will be raped.

01:08:48.260 More children will die.

01:08:50.000 We're a nation of laws.

01:08:51.420 If you don't like it, sir, change it.

01:08:53.400 You're the legislator.

01:08:54.480 I'm the executive branch.

01:08:55.740 And I've served my country honorably for 34 years.

01:08:58.080 And I will not sit here and have anybody say that I don't care about children because you're not the same color as my children.

01:09:04.740 He is amazing.

01:09:07.240 This guy's incredible.

01:09:10.220 We looked into that story he referenced of the five-year-old boy that he was talking about that he did hold in his arms.

01:09:16.480 It happened back in 2003.

01:09:18.260 The boy died, along with 19 others, after being crammed into a tractor trailer with nearly 70 other migrants in total.

01:09:26.500 They were being smuggled into the United States, this is how they do it, and they suffocated to death.

01:09:33.440 Some tried to claw two holes through the truck's foam insulation just to try to get a breath of fresh air.

01:09:43.020 Per a report by the Daily Signal, at the crime scene that day, Tom Homan was there.

01:09:48.520 Holman said he directed the men taking the bodies away to save the child until last, to not remove his remains until last.

01:09:59.340 Because he said, quote, I couldn't deal with it because I just kept seeing my son there.

01:10:04.460 And he held that little boy.

01:10:07.580 And then that idiotic representative walked right into that.

01:10:14.080 Have you ever held a dead child?

01:10:15.920 Yes, I have.

01:10:17.040 I've seen the consequences.

01:10:18.780 That's what Homan was saying, of your disastrous policies.

01:10:22.320 I'm the one who's got to clean up the bodies.

01:10:24.460 There were reports at the time about that disastrous truck stop and the deaths.

01:10:32.160 There were at least 62 people packed into this trailer.

01:10:35.680 They were in a nearly airless, heat-baked container, despite the effort to get two holes in there so they could breathe.

01:10:43.980 Most of the human cargo was male.

01:10:46.900 That five-year-old boy was the youngest.

01:10:48.660 But there was a girl who was 15 that day, and she actually lived.

01:10:57.320 Sheriff's deputies there brought her cake and cookies.

01:10:59.860 So much for the evil Border Patrol guys who are there not caring about the brown people, like that representative is suggested.

01:11:09.040 An emergency dispatcher received a 911 call from a man speaking Spanish.

01:11:12.480 This is how they found out there was an emergency there and broke in English at 11.42 p.m.

01:11:17.800 The man was saying, we're asphyxiating.

01:11:21.020 Help me, help me, we're asphyxiating.

01:11:24.300 In Spanish, he said, we're in a trailer, we're illegals.

01:11:29.200 This is the cost of that open border that people now, like Harris and Biden, have allowed for years.

01:11:36.800 And by the way, the reports now are that we can expect the immigration problem to spike over the next couple of months until Trump gets there.

01:11:44.620 And that the illegals see, this is a court per the Daily Wire this morning, quoting from NBC, that they're anticipating January 20th as their deadline to get into this country.

01:11:55.100 So what's Joe Biden going to do about it?

01:11:57.200 Because you're going to get more deaths and more rapes of young girls and more families who ultimately get separated because these drug mules, these bad actors, use the children.

01:12:07.280 Since we're against family separation to get across the border and the children are exploited time and time again.

01:12:14.640 Tom Holman's been on the side of the angels on this and he's being placed back in charge and we should all celebrate his return.

01:12:22.240 In that same hearing we just showed you, he also fired back at AOC, who as always thought that she knew better when she questioned him about the administration's zero tolerance policy.

01:12:33.800 Mr. Holman, your name is on this, is this correct?

01:12:38.520 Yes, I signed that memo.

01:12:40.040 So you are the author of the family separation policy?

01:12:42.620 I am not the author of this memo.

01:12:44.360 You're not the author, but you signed the memo.

01:12:46.540 Yes, a zero tolerance memo.

01:12:49.500 And so the recommendation of the many that you recommended, you recommended family separation?

01:12:55.060 I recommended zero tolerance.

01:12:57.020 Which includes family separation?

01:12:58.900 The same as it is whenever a U.S. citizen parent gets arrested with a child.

01:13:07.120 Zero tolerance was interpreted as the policy that separated children from their parents.

01:13:11.660 If I get arrested for DUI and I have a young child in a car, I'm going to be separated.

01:13:15.680 When I was a police officer in New York and I arrested a father for domestic violence, I separated that father from his family.

01:13:20.600 Mr. Holman, with all due respect, legal asylees are not charged with any crime.

01:13:27.240 When you're in the country illegally, it's violation 8, United States Code 1325.

01:13:32.700 Seeking asylum is legal.

01:13:35.000 If you want to seek asylum and go to the port of entry, do it the legal way.

01:13:38.640 He's incredible, isn't he?

01:13:40.200 My God.

01:13:41.720 The EJs are back with me now, Emily and Eliana.

01:13:44.500 I don't know what more, just as I was thinking, I don't know what more we could ask for.

01:13:48.840 We get the announcement that Trump is putting Stephen Miller also on the immigration case.

01:13:55.720 He's deputy assistant.

01:13:57.420 What is he, Steve?

01:13:59.160 Glossing over his official title.

01:14:01.260 Deputy chief of staff for policy on the immigration front.

01:14:04.180 And he's the guy who came up with a lot of those policies that work so well under Trump, like remain in Mexico and some of the executive orders that Trump signed requiring us to crack down on these BS asylum claims.

01:14:16.420 That's a dream team, Emily.

01:14:19.720 Tom Homan is so interesting because one of the ways he first started, I think, really getting in media is that he worked for the Obama administration.

01:14:27.820 He's been given, like, an award by Barack Obama.

01:14:30.960 And I think that's what gives him the confidence to go and talk to AOC like that because he saw this flawed process from the inside.

01:14:39.580 He saw it on the ground.

01:14:41.080 And he's able to then sort of flip the script and say this is zero tolerance.

01:14:46.320 And you saw her kind of pause there.

01:14:48.500 It was really interesting when he said it was a zero tolerance memo.

01:14:50.880 She didn't totally know what to do with that because it's the script being flipped on her.

01:14:54.200 And he's a great example of somebody who's able to do that with confidence and boldness because he sort of has worked for the other side.

01:15:00.800 He's talked to the other side.

01:15:01.660 He's been friendly with the other side.

01:15:03.160 And so he's able to just say, listen, I don't give a damn.

01:15:06.140 Like, I've seen this.

01:15:07.020 I know exactly what I'm talking about.

01:15:09.160 And so he's a huge asset for Trump.

01:15:11.800 Stephen Miller, somebody who is totally vilified in the press.

01:15:17.640 And Trump isn't afraid to appoint him to a deputy chief of staff position.

01:15:21.740 So you're definitely seeing fearlessness.

01:15:23.600 There's no hesitation from Donald Trump at all about bringing some of these people, no matter how vilified they are in the press.

01:15:31.120 Stephen Miller is a genius.

01:15:32.900 He is a genius.

01:15:34.680 And he knows immigration better than almost anyone.

01:15:39.120 And I'm thrilled that he's willing to take the risk with his family, his wife.

01:15:44.380 They called a white supremacist over and over.

01:15:46.200 He was a newlywed.

01:15:47.020 They were calling him terrible names.

01:15:49.260 That's what's going to happen if you try to clean up the border.

01:15:51.860 We've seen it time and time.

01:15:52.800 So it does require nerves of steel to say yes to this.

01:15:56.520 Homan looks like he's got him.

01:15:58.120 We know Stephen Miller's got him.

01:15:59.800 I'm overjoyed to see this, Eliana.

01:16:01.660 And in the news today, too, Tom Homan making clear that President Trump's deportation priorities are not about people who are here unlawfully, who are abiding by the law now.

01:16:14.080 I realize it's a crime to sneak into the country illegally across the border, but that that's not the priority.

01:16:20.360 The priority is the criminals who are here and causing havoc in the states.

01:16:26.060 And in response to that, you already get like the Massachusetts governor coming out and saying, we will not cooperate.

01:16:33.800 We will not.

01:16:35.520 You know, what happens is what's this person?

01:16:37.920 Massachusetts is seeing a rash of rapes by these illegals in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

01:16:45.720 And what happens when an illegal rapes somebody is they go to jail if they get arrested.

01:16:51.100 And then you might find out that there's a detainer on them from ICE.

01:16:55.400 They're in the system is like, hey, we're looking for this illegal.

01:16:58.000 If you happen to catch this person committing a crime, please call us.

01:17:00.820 And what happens in sanctuary cities or states like Massachusetts is the cops see that and they say, we don't give a shit.

01:17:08.040 We don't care.

01:17:08.900 We won't be calling ICE.

01:17:09.980 We're going to release this guy back out into the general public like he's just like a like a shoplifter.

01:17:16.060 And we are not going to be involving immigration authorities.

01:17:18.500 And now the Massachusetts governor has gone on the record saying we will not be cooperating.

01:17:23.300 We will maintain our status as a as a sanctuary state.

01:17:27.840 And that's going to be the next battle as Trump tries to get the worst of the worst out of the country, Eliana.

01:17:34.560 And the media will be on the wrong side.

01:17:38.720 I think there are a couple interesting things happening here with personnel.

01:17:43.440 The first the first is the order with which these picks are being made.

01:17:51.240 You know, first you had Susie Wiles being named chief of staff and she's a really interesting pick who couldn't be more different.

01:17:58.740 I don't think from Reince Priebus, who was Trump's first chief of staff last time around, who was somebody he didn't really know.

01:18:07.720 I mean, Reince was running the RNC.

01:18:10.100 Trump and the RNC weren't that close when he ran.

01:18:12.840 Susie has been running his operation since 2021 and somebody who has really gained his trust and demonstrated an ability to manage manage both Trump and his operation.

01:18:24.640 The second is that the first the first appointments we're seeing coming from Trump are on immigration, which I think sends a signal to folks that he's going to take the issue seriously.

01:18:35.560 You know, the first the first appointment coming out wasn't the secretary of state or the secretary of defense, but it was the immigration czar.

01:18:44.280 And I do think that's intentional and sends a signal.

01:18:47.160 And also to see we haven't talked about Elise Stefanik going to the United Nations.

01:18:52.120 She's someone who is he talked about strong women.

01:18:56.560 She's, I think, likely to be in the mold of Nikki Haley, who was there before, who will be an advocate for for America and Israel on on the world straight stage.

01:19:10.200 And so thus far, you know, we're seeing we're seeing interesting appointments that I think are broadcasting the president elect's intentions for what he intends to prioritize.

01:19:19.860 Mm hmm. The other interesting battle unfolding right now, Emily, is in the Senate where they called the Massachusetts Senate race, not Massachusetts, Pennsylvania Senate race for Dave McCormick, who defeated Democrat incumbent Bob Casey.

01:19:36.080 Good for him. And Casey's trying to challenge it, but it doesn't look like that's going to go very far.

01:19:42.220 And also the Republicans are on track, according to the latest count, to win the House.

01:19:45.780 It's going to be tight. It looks like maybe still they'll have a four vote margin, so not a lot.

01:19:49.960 What they've had already. But it's very important that they win the House.

01:19:53.560 And so right now, by the latest count, I'm informed that my people in the know, the Republicans expect them to pull it off.

01:19:59.980 So now the question switches to leadership in the Senate and the they're going to what the reports are is that Mitch McConnell is pushing through a vote on leadership.

01:20:10.920 The next generation of leadership this week, which is very soon, doesn't give a lot of time for people to get organized.

01:20:17.820 And it's between John Thune, John Cornyn and Rick Scott.

01:20:24.680 Rick Scott is a is a senator, former governor in Florida who is much more in the MAGA mold.

01:20:30.880 And the other two are much more like establishment Republicans.

01:20:36.700 There are some tape circulating of them crapping all over Trump when the Eugene Carroll allegations came out.

01:20:44.040 That's obviously an attempt to signal to Trump that these are not MAGA loyalists, whereas Rick Scott is on board with the president's agenda.

01:20:52.340 So what do you think is going to happen with this and what do you think should happen?

01:20:56.540 Yeah, this is fascinating. And I was reading Politico playbook this morning.

01:21:00.420 They did a rundown that was basically totally wrong and just clueless.

01:21:04.280 This has been a campaign that's sort of been happening in the background for a really long time.

01:21:08.600 And anybody with good sources in the Republican Senate coalition knows that Rick Scott has been trying to lay the groundwork for this for a really, really long time.

01:21:17.960 And that he has also gotten good support from conservative stalwarts like Ted Cruz, even people like Marco Rubio.

01:21:26.200 And like that has been going on for more than a year now because Mitch McConnell was sort of clearly on his way out.

01:21:32.740 Cornyn and Thune are close to McConnell.

01:21:34.920 And so if you want to sort of purge McConnellism from the Senate, which a lot of Trump allies in the Senate know needs to be done,

01:21:44.140 then Mike Lee and Rick Scott and this sort of campaign they've been orchestrating for a long time in the background is really important.

01:21:51.940 Now, I don't think there's a great option in this race.

01:21:55.000 I think, you know, even people close to Rick Scott would tell you he's not the kind of perfect ambassador for for MAGA for a lot of reasons.

01:22:02.560 Like he doesn't have the kind of personal charm some politicians do.

01:22:06.640 And he hasn't really been in leadership, so he might not understand exactly how the machinations work in the background.

01:22:11.820 But what Mike Lee and others are trying to do behind the scenes right now is make a point and say we are done with the Mitch McConnell approach to voters.

01:22:19.400 We are done with this approach to the Senate where you just go along with leadership and leadership runs everything.

01:22:27.520 And we're not, you know, sticking any we're not like trying to actually disrupt the Washington machine at all.

01:22:34.580 So that's what they're trying to turn this battle into.

01:22:38.320 And that's where you're seeing a lot of people get on Rick Scott's side, even if they're close with Thune or Cornyn or him ever,

01:22:45.760 because they understand the voters want to see them kind of stick it to McConnell.

01:22:49.300 And a big question going forward is what Trump does.

01:22:51.600 It looks like he's going to stay out of it.

01:22:53.080 But but a lot of people, in order to appeal to their their Trump voters in their own states are trying to face are actually going to face kind of a hard decision in this one,

01:23:03.140 because if Rick Scott doesn't win and you allied with him, what happens with Thune and Cornyn?

01:23:08.060 And if one of them is in leadership position, it's it's a tough palace entry situation.

01:23:12.340 Yeah. Well, the by the way, Senator Rick Scott's going to be on the program tomorrow, which is one day before the vote.

01:23:19.140 So that would be an interesting interview.

01:23:20.960 I hope you guys tune in for that. It's it's kind of fascinating to watch it play out.

01:23:26.020 It's very clear that Team MAGA wants Rick Scott and Trump hasn't weighed in as of today, as of the time I'm speaking,

01:23:34.780 probably because he wants to have a good working relationship with whoever gets it.

01:23:39.680 But he's obviously not a fan of Mitch McConnell.

01:23:42.180 Those those two, they're not there's not a lot of love lost there, Eliana.

01:23:45.900 But I'll give you a window into what Team MAGA is saying about it in the form of this tweet from Tucker Carlson,

01:23:52.240 who doesn't tweet a lot. And he tweeted out the following yesterday.

01:23:56.960 What the hell is going on in the U.S. Senate?

01:23:59.420 Hours after Donald Trump wins the most conclusive mandate in 40 years, Mitch McConnell engineers a coup

01:24:04.360 against his agenda by calling early leadership elections in the Senate.

01:24:09.300 Two of the three candidates hate Trump and what he ran on.

01:24:13.580 One of them, John Cornyn, is an angry liberal whose politics are indistinguishable from Liz Cheney's.

01:24:19.220 The election is Wednesday. It's by secret ballot.

01:24:22.140 Also important. And it will determine whether or not the new administration succeeds.

01:24:27.360 Rick Scott of Florida is the only candidate who agrees with Donald Trump.

01:24:30.760 Call your senator and demand a public endorsement.

01:24:34.080 Public being the operative word there of Rick Scott.

01:24:36.800 Don't let McConnell get away with it again.

01:24:39.940 And then Robert Kennedy responded, saying without Rick Scott, the entire Trump reform agenda wobbly.

01:24:46.640 What do you make of it?

01:24:49.020 I actually don't think it's quite that simple.

01:24:53.960 First, Trump.

01:24:55.660 There are reasons that Trump hasn't endorsed and has stayed out of it.

01:24:59.540 You know, the ballot secret, which is a big deal.

01:25:05.040 So nobody's going to know who voted for whom.

01:25:08.360 But the Senate Senate leadership position, it matters for understanding the way the Senate operates and then for keeping a coalition together.

01:25:19.920 And that's what McConnell was good at.

01:25:21.900 So Trump, I think, is going to be weighing in terms of endorsements who can keep 50 what looks like it's going to be 53 Republicans together.

01:25:31.360 He's he's going to want to nominate some crazy and controversial people.

01:25:34.960 And in fact, he's already floated the idea that he wants the Senate to move for recess appointments.

01:25:39.120 Having a Senate majority leader who's not that popular may not be the best thing for him if he wants someone who can keep who can wrangle votes for him.

01:25:49.800 So I think it's actually more more more complicated than like who's the most MAGA here.

01:25:57.780 You really may want to think about who can wrangle the most votes for him, who's also going to be an ally.

01:26:03.360 And like, look, at the end of the day, any one of these guys is going to have to be an ally to Trump.

01:26:09.120 You know, to varying degrees, has some more than others.

01:26:12.820 But like they're going to need somebody who understands how the Senate works, where the weak points of each one of these guys is and how to cobble together the most votes.

01:26:22.040 What do you make of that, Emily?

01:26:23.080 Because it seems to me that in the same way Trump said, I'm the get out the vote effort, like just me being me will get people out to the polls.

01:26:32.600 And he was right.

01:26:34.480 Isn't Trump the thing that's going to make the Republicans vote Trump because they're all afraid of Donald Trump campaigning against them, saying negative things again?

01:26:45.380 Like which Republican would have the stones to undermine Trump on his agenda with what is very clearly a mandate from the country right now?

01:26:53.080 Well, I think probably the best example of where you could see a McConnell ally having the boldness to do that would be on Ukraine.

01:27:01.080 And so if J.D. Vance now is president of the Senate, incoming president of the Senate, is pushing for cutting funding to Ukraine, which he's signaled in every instance that he absolutely would do conditionally, of course.

01:27:12.980 And it's more nuanced than people say he just wants to stop, you know, cut off all funding to Ukraine.

01:27:17.320 But if that starts to get pushed, I think what the people like Mike Lee and Rick Scott see is a real there's a absolute will to undermine the mega agenda on foreign policy by people who are really close with the Republican donor class.

01:27:35.500 And it's fine to disagree with the mega position on Ukraine, but it is a deeply held belief among Republican leadership.

01:27:42.640 And so I actually think it's not implausible at all that there would be very, very bitter backroom fights over that in particular that you wouldn't get with a Rick Scott.

01:27:51.700 And to Eliana's point, it's also, though, true. Rick Scott lacks the sort of charm to get a Susan Collins and to do a little push and pull in those negotiating situations in the backrooms, which is what you do when you're in leadership.

01:28:07.580 So there's something you lose something with that, too. But I think Collins is annoying.

01:28:11.980 She's annoying. She's annoying. And I'm not sorry that we don't really need her vote anymore, although they would have to deal with her because I mean, yeah, it's true.

01:28:22.060 They don't really need her vote. But on certain issues, there are different senators where that Ukraine is going to be the litmus test for how some of these.

01:28:30.960 You're right. Didn't I just see you used to be at the Federalist. You tell me, I think I saw Sean Davis saying that he got attacked by John Cornyn as as a Neville Chamberlain.

01:28:39.900 Yes. For saying, I really like the idea of getting out of these forever wars.

01:28:44.120 And I think it was about Ukraine. I'm trying to remember if I'm tying the two together unfairly.

01:28:48.280 But he was he was taking a more of a peacenik position and it got called Neville Chamberlain by John Cornyn.

01:28:53.540 And as soon as John Cornyn sent that tweet, Sean at the time, this was like less than a year ago.

01:28:58.800 Sean at the time was like, send John Cornyn's comms director an email and ask him to debate me on Federalist Radio Hour, which I used to host and did it and got a response from them back right away being like, no.

01:29:08.320 So that's how it all played out. But it was I mean, he straight up called him compared to Neville Chamberlain.

01:29:14.620 And that's how deep this goes with them. They are very deeply opposed to Trump as a person.

01:29:20.240 They're very deeply opposed to some of these tenants of the MAGA agenda.

01:29:23.180 And so they know they need to keep Trump happy. I agree with that.

01:29:26.620 But there are they have buttons that once you press them, things become untenable between Trump.

01:29:31.760 And this is going to be kind of interesting, ladies.

01:29:33.980 You know, it's not all smooth sailing just because Trump won the election.

01:29:37.240 There are deep divisions within the Republican Party.

01:29:39.380 Look what's happened in the House over the past few years with the leadership elections over and over and deep divisions there.

01:29:45.920 Not quite as deep as on Team Blue, but they're there.

01:29:48.980 So they're going to have to learn to navigate through that.

01:29:51.400 We'll see soon. I mean, I guess we'll find out on Wednesday.

01:29:54.760 I will say this.

01:29:55.680 As my team tells me that McConnell announced he was leaving in February and said the leadership election would be in November back then,

01:30:05.560 it seems that the other side would like a little bit more time to, I guess, organize and get the good word out and have meetings and do all the things.

01:30:12.780 So we'll see.

01:30:14.500 And we'll see most of all what Trump does, if anything, to move the needle.

01:30:18.160 Stand by.

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01:31:24.380 It is Veterans Day and an important time to take a moment and just remember the sacrifice that our veterans have made for us.

01:31:32.660 And we know a lot of them.

01:31:33.960 I'm sure you guys do, too.

01:31:34.920 And we do a lot of interviews with veterans.

01:31:38.480 I'm thinking of, you know, guys like Sean Ryan who came on and talked just recently in May about his experience.

01:31:45.260 And just it can cause a lot of trauma.

01:31:47.260 And I feel like the least the country can do is on a day like this, stop and think about them.

01:31:52.780 You know, just because we've moved on from the wars doesn't mean the wars have moved on from these guys who served us.

01:31:58.600 So a couple of examples of our best and bravest.

01:32:03.340 A couple of Memorial Days ago, we had on Marcus Luttrell and his identical twin brother, Morgan.

01:32:10.900 It was actually we were going to do him on Memorial Day.

01:32:13.160 And then we moved it to August and it wound up being it was the August of the disastrous with Afghanistan withdrawal.

01:32:20.880 And they were still reeling from the horror of it.

01:32:24.180 But this is a nice story.

01:32:25.880 This is Marcus Luttrell.

01:32:28.560 His whole story was told in Lone Survivor.

01:32:30.360 They made a movie out of it with Mark Wahlberg and his brother here.

01:32:33.740 You're going to hear his identical twin brother telling about the moment they got the call down in Texas that he had been found, that Marcus had been found and was alive, which was very much in doubt.

01:32:45.380 Listen.

01:32:47.200 Chief Gothrow was out there and he's the one that would answer the phone.

01:32:49.860 And by this time, there's anywhere there's about 40 seals out there.

01:32:53.020 And we would all pile into my father's bedroom, which was little bitty.

01:32:57.300 And shoulder to shoulder and Master Chief's on the phone.

01:32:59.800 He's like, yes, sir.

01:33:00.500 Roger that.

01:33:00.940 Understood.

01:33:01.840 Roger that.

01:33:02.380 Yes, sir.

01:33:02.900 And he dropped his head.

01:33:05.400 And I mean, we lost it.

01:33:07.680 Right.

01:33:07.940 We was like, oh, my God.

01:33:09.420 You know, the worst case scenario.

01:33:10.520 I'm sitting there staring at him.

01:33:11.520 Everybody was crying around.

01:33:12.700 I was in there staring at him.

01:33:13.960 And he gives us a thumbs up.

01:33:16.840 Anyhow, my parents came walking in.

01:33:19.560 And then some of my best friends came walking in.

01:33:21.720 They saw everybody else crying.

01:33:22.780 Mom loses it.

01:33:23.580 Dad loses it.

01:33:24.100 And they're like, no, no, no.

01:33:24.940 They found him.

01:33:25.960 He's rescued.

01:33:27.320 So, I mean, I don't remember who it was.

01:33:29.960 Walked out to the crowd and said they found him.

01:33:32.620 And I mean, it sounded like the Super Bowl.

01:33:34.240 Like I could hear it from Afghanistan.

01:33:35.340 But the problem with that was all my friends and family were celebrating the fact that we found my brother.

01:33:42.020 But all the SEALs that were out there and there were some Marines and Army and everybody just started to come out and spend time with us.

01:33:49.260 We were still very stoic because we're down.

01:33:51.960 We're down men.

01:33:54.740 It's an incredible story.

01:33:56.300 And Marcus Luttrello is always very clear that he wanted to.

01:33:59.980 There were four of them.

01:34:01.220 The three guys who died in the mission with him.

01:34:02.720 And it's important to him that they be mentioned.

01:34:05.300 And so we do salute today Lieutenant Michael Murphy, Petty Officers Danny Dietz and Matt Axelson as well.

01:34:13.520 And many others who died in trying to find Marcus.

01:34:15.960 Something that he blames himself for, which he shouldn't.

01:34:18.380 You know, he's got severe survivor's guilt but is doing his best to live with that.

01:34:23.260 What a good man.

01:34:24.020 It's just a good reminder of just the incredible type of soldiers and SEALs that this country produces.

01:34:31.320 And again, they need to be remembered in donations, in thoughts, in prayers.

01:34:36.780 If you see them on the street, if you can give up your nice seat on an airplane or a bus or anything for them.

01:34:42.380 Like what we can do for our veterans must be done.

01:34:44.280 And less of ourselves and more of them.

01:34:48.300 That is episode number 149.

01:34:49.960 It was from August of 2021.

01:34:51.820 The show was about a year old when we did that.

01:34:55.000 I'm going to take you back even further to episode 109.

01:34:58.200 And literally like my favorite, my favorite interview I've ever done, which was Rob O'Neill, the man who shot bin Laden.

01:35:06.540 And this particular segment, we weren't even on camera yet.

01:35:09.200 It was just audio only.

01:35:10.180 This is episode 109 and his description of the Navy SEALs and others on board the chopper flying into the bin Laden complex when they had gotten the intel from the CIA analyst on where he was and how to find him.

01:35:30.780 Listen.

01:35:30.920 Before we left, I had one of my guys say, because we accept the death.

01:35:35.780 That's it.

01:35:36.220 We're going to die.

01:35:37.960 He said, don't take this the wrong way because I'm 100% going.

01:35:42.520 Don't worry about that.

01:35:43.300 I'm going.

01:35:43.900 I just need to say it out loud.

01:35:45.780 If we know we're going to die, why are we going?

01:35:50.320 And so we had a conversation and we had a conversation.

01:35:53.140 We said, OK, well, we're not going after bin Laden for the fame or the reward or the bravado.

01:36:00.000 We are going after Osama bin Laden for the single mom who dropped her kids off at elementary school on a Tuesday.

01:36:06.600 And 45 minutes later, she jumped to her death out of a skyscraper because that was a better alternative than whatever the hell was going on inside at 2500 degrees Fahrenheit.

01:36:15.740 And her last gesture of human decency was holding her skirt as she jumped out of a building and murdered herself.

01:36:21.740 She was never supposed to be in the fight.

01:36:23.720 We're supposed to be in the fight.

01:36:25.380 That's why we're going.

01:36:28.620 Still getting emotional.

01:36:29.540 Listen to that.

01:36:30.480 Rob O'Neill is a hero.

01:36:31.720 Those guys.

01:36:32.900 It's humbling, isn't it, Eliana?

01:36:34.620 You listen to that and you just remember how small your own life is, however big you may think it is, and the amount of sacrifice these guys go through, not just while they're over there, seeing their friends die, losing limbs too many times.

01:36:46.700 But then when they come back and the readjustment, Dakota Meyer, Medal of Honor recipient, came on the show as well and talked about how when he got back stateside, tried to take his own life.

01:36:56.560 Thank God someone who loved him, an angel, had taken the bullets out.

01:36:59.900 But it's those guys we think of today and try to remember how humble we must be when we think about our own lives.

01:37:08.400 Absolutely.

01:37:12.400 And to those people to whom we owe all the freedom we have in our day-to-day lives, it takes a lot to protect it.

01:37:25.360 It takes nerves of steel.

01:37:26.500 I mean, that's the thing, Emily.

01:37:27.660 It's like I've often said, I just sit at this desk.

01:37:30.420 You know, like we can call ourselves warriors for free speech or this cause or the other.

01:37:34.360 Very different story when you actually lay your life on the line for the country.

01:37:38.240 Yeah, we don't celebrate these men and women enough.

01:37:40.260 And I mean, to them, the bravery is just so normal.

01:37:43.340 And that's what's so incredible.

01:37:47.000 So it's a wonderful country.

01:37:48.640 And the negativity about it is sad when you hear these amazing stories of bravery and sacrifice.

01:37:54.180 But you have a president now, president-elect, who says he's going to rebuild our military.

01:37:59.140 He's going to get wokeism out of the military.

01:38:01.580 And let's not forget the Gold Star families who lost their 13 service personnel daughters and sons in that disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal in August of 2021,

01:38:10.800 who were made a campaign issue in this whole thing by Kamala Harris,

01:38:14.820 who disgustingly stepped on a rake about them honoring President Trump at Arlington.

01:38:19.980 And they had their final say as well.

01:38:21.800 A commander-in-chief who loves and respects them will be returned to the office.

01:38:26.140 Do not believe the lies told about Trump on that front.

01:38:29.100 And I believe our military is in for better days ahead.

01:38:32.620 Ladies, thank you both so much.

01:38:34.460 As I mentioned, tomorrow we have Senator Rick Scott on the show, locked in a battle for the next Senate majority leader.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 11, 2024

Kamala Campaign Turns on Each Other, and Trump's New Badass Border Czar, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 941

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