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00:00:56.080 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:04.000 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

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00:01:13.200 We've got a big show for you today.

00:01:14.480 Actor Zachary Levi will be here to discuss his new movie and how the RFKHHS is doing as year one comes to a close.

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00:01:27.280 But first, there is news today on the suspected January 6th pipe bomber, and it's a doozy, courtesy of the New York Post.

00:01:36.780 We are learning some very strange things about this guy's background.

00:01:40.180 Plus, why didn't the FBI track him down, thanks to that cell phone tower data, earlier?

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00:02:09.800 And you will not believe how far-left Democrat Jasmine Crockett plans to appeal to Texas voters in her just-announced Senate campaign. 0.98

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00:03:36.700 Stu, welcome back.

00:03:38.180 Great to see you.

00:03:39.360 Great to see you as well, Megan.

00:03:40.580 Thank you.

00:03:41.360 I'm sure you're feeling all warm and fuzzy about Jasmine Crockett as your possible next Texas State U.S. Senator.

00:03:49.380 I will say this, Megan.

00:03:53.580 I absolutely adore the fact that she's running for this office. 1.00

00:03:57.300 I want her to run for every office. 1.00

00:03:59.360 I want her to go state to state and let everybody experience the glory and wonders of Jasmine Crockett. 0.62

00:04:05.280 I can't love her any more than I do. 0.98

00:04:08.380 And she's completely nuts. 1.00

00:04:10.540 That, just as a standalone, is an objectively true sentence. 0.99

00:04:14.500 And I share it.

00:04:16.040 It really is.

00:04:17.060 I find her incredibly entertaining and so bizarre and just the perfect distillation of everything about the modern Democratic Party.

00:04:27.900 It is.

00:04:29.020 She never, ever knows what she's talking about.

00:04:33.000 Ever.

00:04:33.240 There's never a moment she even slips up and connects with something that might be accurate.

00:04:38.980 It's so incredible.

00:04:40.860 You know, and what's great about her, I think, is the fact that, like, you could be a, you know, we know Republicans, we know Democrats, we know people who are in Congress.

00:04:49.940 Many of them slave away for years and years and years and years.

00:04:52.120 Democrats are working on, you know, some health care expansion and they're working on, you know, how do we reverse 0.9 degrees Celsius temperature rise over a century.

00:05:02.600 All the really important things.

00:05:04.040 And they'll be working on these policies quietly and they will never get a call from a booker.

00:05:09.380 They will never get a call from anyone interested in any of the work they're doing. 0.99

00:05:13.920 And Jasmine Crockett can just come out and say the most insane, bat crap, crazy nonsense. 1.00

00:05:22.120 And she doesn't get booked. 0.99

00:05:23.020 Yeah, go Jasmine. 0.98

00:05:23.920 I love her.

00:05:24.940 She doesn't get booked just on MSNBC.

00:05:27.100 It's, she's sitting across from Colbert.

00:05:29.340 She's doing Kimmel.

00:05:30.780 She has every booking that you'd want if you were releasing a mainstream film in 4,000 theaters.

00:05:39.020 And for what? 0.52

00:05:40.740 All of the incentives perfectly line up for her to continue this bizarre behavior and just show her crazy to everybody over and over again. 0.95

00:05:50.920 I love her.

00:05:52.420 Okay, I'll get back to her maybe.

00:05:54.080 I don't really care about her that much.

00:05:55.320 By all accounts, she has zero chance of winning this race.

00:05:58.760 So it's going to be fun to sort of kick her around for a while.

00:06:01.020 But good luck in Texas, madam. 0.99

00:06:04.340 I wanted to start, actually, I was going to start with this pipe bomb news.

00:06:07.520 But then just as we came to air, I saw the New York Times article on Kamala Harris.

00:06:12.340 It was retweeted by, or tweeted by Dan Turrentine, time, our pal of Democrat fame.

00:06:19.680 And he said, I've long been saying she is going to run again.

00:06:23.520 And it's an in-depth profile of Kamala Harris by the New York Times.

00:06:28.260 The question, I love, this is classic Kamala.

00:06:30.380 They asked her, should the party veer left and get more progressive, like we saw with somebody like Mom Donnie, who's not even progressive.

00:06:37.880 He's communist.

00:06:38.660 Or should it veer to the center, like some of, like, Abigail Spamberger, who's their idea of center, even though she wants boys playing in girls sports, the new governor of Virginia, elect. 0.99

00:06:50.060 And her answer, Kamala Harris' answer is, okay, so should we veer left or stay center?

00:06:55.900 We have to stand for the people.

00:06:58.920 I know that sounds corny.

00:07:01.000 That's her answer, Stu. 0.99

00:07:02.380 So she's still just as inane as ever. 0.84

00:07:06.540 And it's so funny to me because she thinks she knows there's something wrong with her answer, right? 0.92

00:07:10.620 She knows it's off and it will satisfy and be meaningless to no one, meaningful to no one.

00:07:16.060 So she kind of punctuates it with, like, a disclaimer.

00:07:21.160 It's corny.

00:07:22.040 My belief is, no, it has nothing to do with corny.

00:07:24.760 Like, corny is a weird dad joke, right?

00:07:28.220 That's what corny is.

00:07:29.360 This is just empty.

00:07:30.760 It's utterly meaningless.

00:07:31.920 It says absolutely nothing, which I will grant you is her signature.

00:07:37.760 I mean, in and of itself, it's kind of specially hers.

00:07:40.400 But what should the party do at this time of crisis for them when they're not sure whether to go radical or go centrist?

00:07:48.100 And her answer is, quote, we have to stand for the people.

00:07:53.540 It's so good.

00:07:55.060 She hasn't improved.

00:07:56.340 That's our takeaway.

00:07:57.000 Yes, she is still the vapid zilch that we knew she was as she was running for president. 1.00

00:08:02.680 And it is, you know, she's kind of the reverse of Crockett in a way.

00:08:06.340 Like, Crockett, just every thought that comes into her head just comes blurting out. 0.90

00:08:09.640 Like, she's ranting about how maybe the solution to all of our problems is that we don't tax black people anymore.

00:08:16.360 That's a legitimate policy proposal from a woman running for Senate in Texas. 1.00

00:08:22.340 Okay, yeah, we should do racially based taxes. 0.99

00:08:25.600 That's certainly constitutional.

00:08:27.260 But beyond that, then you have Kamala, who is most of the time trying to do the opposite, right?

00:08:33.600 Like, trying to basically survive the moment because she's not quick enough on her feet to come up with a real answer.

00:08:39.980 She doesn't seem to really have thought about basic things, you know, about her campaign and her positions.

00:08:46.480 Probably most famously, you'll remember.

00:08:48.520 Like the future of her party?

00:08:49.920 That seems like something you'd spend a few minutes on, maybe.

00:08:53.420 She's out on this nationwide book tour.

00:08:55.540 Did that ever come up such that you can give a better answer than, we have to stand for the people?

00:09:01.200 Imagine J.D. Vance across from her if they actually wind up being the nominees.

00:09:07.040 That'll be so good.

00:09:09.360 Probably the most concerning thing is maybe she did put a lot of time into thinking and coming up with that answer, which is maybe the worst thing.

00:09:16.140 But, you know, if you remember back in the campaign, there was that moment where she went on, I think it was The View.

00:09:21.600 Yeah, it was The View.

00:09:22.100 I remember watching it, sitting in the studio, looking up at the TV with absolute amazement as she couldn't come up with one thing that she disagreed with that they had done during the entire term.

00:09:33.020 No disagreement with Joe Biden on any policy, couldn't come up with anything.

00:09:36.540 And it was at that moment, honestly, that I thought she was toast.

00:09:39.540 I thought it was over in that moment. 0.98

00:09:41.100 It was the biggest gift you could have possibly given to Donald Trump, who, you know, benefits from the dumbest enemies possible over and over and over again. 0.99

00:09:51.680 But that is her way, right? 0.99

00:09:53.300 It's almost like a survival instinct.

00:09:55.520 She thinks if she can kind of get through the moment and get off camera, everything will be fine.

00:10:00.640 But, you know, maybe that works once or twice.

00:10:02.760 We see that from spokespeople from time to time, PR people that will avoid an issue.

00:10:06.920 And that can be a successful tactic in the short term.

00:10:10.020 CEOs of, like, random companies sometimes do that, but not CEOs of the United States of America.

00:10:15.460 Like, you cannot become a president with that.

00:10:18.620 Like, just don't let anything stick to me.

00:10:20.580 Eventually, you have to answer real questions.

00:10:22.480 So here's a little bit more from it.

00:10:23.920 By the way, the New York Times points out that she's been calling all these Democrats who won their elections, like Mom Donnie, like Spanberger, and others who won in the most recent November election.

00:10:35.340 They said, quote, the exact kind of thing a person planning to run for president might do.

00:10:40.520 The Times is clearly dangling this as the closest she's gotten to telegraphing she's going to run in 2028.

00:10:49.640 And here's another little piece for you to mull on.

00:10:53.920 Her place in history is already secure, and she knows it, writes the Times.

00:10:59.300 Quote, quoting her, I understand the focus on 28 and all that, but there will be a marble bust of me in Congress.

00:11:08.760 I am a historic figure, like any vice president of the United States ever was.

00:11:14.760 That's her saying, try to understand.

00:11:18.060 I'm already historic, New York Times reporters.

00:11:21.000 No matter what I do in 2028.

00:11:23.880 So get it straight.

00:11:25.360 Historic.

00:11:26.080 Right here.

00:11:27.240 Her story.

00:11:28.140 That's what you're looking at.

00:11:31.920 That's so good.

00:11:33.040 I will say, in a sense, I agree.

00:11:34.920 She is historic in the sense that her political career is history.

00:11:38.700 That is actually true.

00:11:40.580 I would agree with her on that frame.

00:11:42.180 It's such an interesting combination of, like, nothing but banal thoughts combined with narcissism.

00:11:50.660 Like, that's, you know, is that a common combination?

00:11:54.220 I would, the Jasmine Crockett combo makes more sense to me, where you're loud, you're brash, 1.00

00:12:00.060 you call attention to yourself with your words, you at least try to say things that you think are going to get attention,

00:12:05.160 and then you're narcissistic. 0.69

00:12:07.960 But, like, Kamala Harris, who, like, literally has never said anything smart or interesting,

00:12:12.440 to be like, I'm historic.

00:12:15.860 Hello?

00:12:16.880 Or maybe it's not narcissism.

00:12:18.720 Maybe it's deep insecurity manifesting in a demand that she be recognized for this fake, you know,

00:12:26.460 thing that we're supposed to be impressed by, which is her bust in the U.S. Congress. 0.99

00:12:30.780 We're not.

00:12:31.300 We're not.

00:12:31.900 What do you think?

00:12:33.240 Well, first of all, I'd like to just stop talking about Kamala Harris's bust.

00:12:36.280 I don't think that's appropriate, and I don't like it at all.

00:12:40.020 But I think it is interesting.

00:12:45.980 I think I don't, you know, again, I'm trying, this is me trying to do analysis of this person in their brain,

00:12:51.660 but it strikes me as, like, she might be honest enough in quiet moments with herself

00:12:56.800 to realize the only thing she's ever really achieved is a job slash skin color slash genital combination.

00:13:05.720 Like, she might just be really aware of that.

00:13:07.800 And when she's talking about her opinions, you know, there's nothing there.

00:13:12.420 That's not why she got where she did.

00:13:14.520 What she, you know, the way she got where she did, and again, I don't want to go back to Kamala Harris's bust here.

00:13:18.720 Some of that relates to her early career, but as we've moved on through life, she has graduated, I guess,

00:13:27.080 to a person who legitimately, I mean, this as an actual compliment in a way,

00:13:32.620 she's legitimately good in those behind-the-scenes moments when she's trying to, you know,

00:13:39.040 she did this in California.

00:13:40.300 She did this when Biden decided to step down to really, like, pressure people

00:13:45.120 and get them in line with her political aspirations, donors, big wigs. 1.00

00:13:50.700 She does a good job with that, and it's really the only thing she does a good job with.

00:13:55.180 So, really, she can't talk about that publicly because that's not a skill that people appreciate.

00:14:00.040 So, the skill that they appreciate, I guess, is, hey, glass ceiling.

00:14:03.560 Hey, first black this, first black that, first Indian this, like, all the things that she comes up with on our identity.

00:14:10.200 And she thinks that's going to win over at least Democrats. 0.93

00:14:12.620 I think that, I don't think there's any desire, I don't think there's any hunger,

00:14:17.300 even on the Democratic side, to see her back doing this again. 0.68

00:14:19.880 I think they feel a little icky after that whole experience, and they want to move on with their lives.

00:14:25.380 I would, too.

00:14:26.820 But I don't think there's a future here for her.

00:14:29.080 Do you?

00:14:31.360 Stop crapping on her chances, Stubergeer.

00:14:33.680 That's all I know.

00:14:34.400 Let's encourage it.

00:14:35.560 She can do it. 0.58

00:14:36.540 That's your racism and your sexism showing, sir, obviously.

00:14:40.600 Obviously, here's what she wants you to know, okay, ye of little faith. 0.76

00:14:47.340 This is what the Times writes.

00:14:49.620 After years of being hailed as the future, quote, the female Barack Obama label came as early as 2009. 1.00

00:14:55.760 What a joke.

00:14:57.280 When she was still just a DA.

00:14:59.580 Ms. Harris is suddenly at risk of her time having passed.

00:15:03.700 Yet people aren't just showing up for her.

00:15:06.460 They're paying to see her, writes the Times.

00:15:08.940 Then they quote her, thousands of people are coming to hear my voice.

00:15:13.920 Thousands and thousands, she says.

00:15:16.100 Every place we've gone has been sold out.

00:15:18.860 Now, first of all, who talks about themselves like that?

00:15:22.380 Like, I just finished a nationwide tour.

00:15:25.120 Thousands came to hear my voice.

00:15:27.540 Like, nobody talks about themselves like that, you know?

00:15:30.640 And I actually asked my team to take a look at, like, the average size of the venues that she goes to. 0.73

00:15:36.800 700, maybe, like, 1,200, 1,500.

00:15:40.640 I'm sorry, but you should be able to fill that, like, just by saying you're going to swing by for two minutes as a former vice president.

00:15:47.640 The fact that she's super proud, she's filling theaters that seats 700, is embarrassing.

00:15:54.700 It's embarrassing.

00:15:55.800 I mean, not for nothing, but out on our tour, we were filling 6,000, 8,000.

00:16:00.580 Our last venue was close to 12,000.

00:16:03.440 I'm not a vice president, and I'm certainly not the person who was just nominated as the, you know, a party nominee who just ran for president.

00:16:11.620 This is why she thinks she's relevant, and she's got to brag about it, right?

00:16:17.640 Thousands and thousands to hear my voice, and the Times goes along with it, like, and they're paying to see her.

00:16:24.540 This is a book promo tour, and there are almost always young black women filling these audiences because to her, to them, she's a hero, right?

00:16:34.680 She's like, as she will quickly remind you, the first this, the first that, and represents a certain brand of identity politics that's super popular within the Democrat Party, and in particular, the black female wing of it. 0.74

00:16:50.420 Yeah, I mean, it's fascinating that she'd be excited about that, right?

00:16:53.980 If she could have filled 10,000, 12,000 seat arenas like you did on your tour, I mean, I saw it in person, I saw it in footage in all cities across America.

00:17:04.660 If she could have done the same, Megan, I assure you, she would have, right?

00:17:08.300 Like, this is not, they weren't like, we want to limit these sales.

00:17:12.180 And what's fascinating is-

00:17:12.680 And by the way, you had to pay to get into my events, too.

00:17:14.780 They weren't free.

00:17:15.460 Yeah.

00:17:15.580 So it's like, hello.

00:17:17.980 Exactly.

00:17:19.140 People wanted to come to them.

00:17:20.860 It wasn't, you know, a responsibility to say, oh, gosh, I, you know, I just want to be a partner in history or whatever.

00:17:28.220 But I mean, if you step back for a second here, this is a person who ran for president, won a vice president, presidency term in the vice president's office, and also just received, not that long ago, tens of millions of votes to be president of the United States against a person that everyone in her party absolutely despises and calls Hitler.

00:17:50.720 On a day-to-day basis, you'd think it'd be easy to fill a 10,000 seat arena in every city in America.

00:17:57.880 I mean, she got a lot of votes, but those votes were out of sort of a default, right?

00:18:03.780 People who just didn't like Donald Trump and were looking for any other option.

00:18:07.200 There was never a moment of passion for Kamala Harris.

00:18:10.880 I would argue, even within the Biden administration, I mean, they spent a lot of their time trying to convince reporters behind the scenes how much she sucked at the job. 1.00

00:18:21.940 So, you know, I mean, I'm sure maybe her family likes her.

00:18:25.020 I'm sure there's a few stragglers where you can fill small arenas or small, not even arena, small, I don't know, venues, restaurants.

00:18:33.280 I don't know what's a 700 seat.

00:18:34.680 Restaurants.

00:18:35.320 Thank you.

00:18:35.840 Right.

00:18:36.420 I'm sure that you can do that.

00:18:38.520 Diners.

00:18:39.380 Yeah, diners, drive-ins, and dives.

00:18:42.780 You can do all those.

00:18:44.320 But, like, there's not much more beyond that.

00:18:46.580 And even the people who cast the vote were doing it with a kind of, you know, shrugging their shoulders and please stop Donald Trump attached to it.

00:18:54.800 And that doesn't create a movement.

00:18:57.200 Again, like, you talk about the vapid speech.

00:18:59.540 This is someone who's trying to be a leader, who's supposed to be a leader of the nation.

00:19:02.460 You're supposed to have takes on major issues.

00:19:05.440 That's supposed to be part of the reason why people want to come to you, and she just has none of it. 0.96

00:19:09.700 I keep having to look down to remember what she said about her stance on where the party should go because it's so inane.

00:19:16.280 My mind is not capable of holding on to it.

00:19:18.560 We have to stand for the people.

00:19:21.020 I know that sounds corny.

00:19:23.180 Stand for the people.

00:19:25.080 Okay.

00:19:25.520 By the way, that was, like, her campaign slogan.

00:19:27.420 Remember?

00:19:27.980 Because she had been a DA.

00:19:30.160 They, you know, Kamala Harris for the people.

00:19:32.440 They used that many times in her campaign. 0.85

00:19:34.000 So it's not even, like, something she came up with.

00:19:36.340 It's not something that's near and dear to her heart.

00:19:38.120 It's something that she's parlaying off of, that some campaign operative who got paid some of those billion dollars drafted for her. 1.00

00:19:44.680 And now she thinks it's, like, a profundity, like she always does with things that she says, and she wants to push it on us in the New York Times.

00:19:51.120 Josh Shapiro is in the news on Kamala Harris right now.

00:19:55.200 He's, of course, the governor of Pennsylvania.

00:19:57.300 She took shots at him in her book.

00:19:59.600 She was nasty about him in her book.

00:20:01.260 She wrote how he came to interview for the vice presidential role, you know, that Tim Walls ultimately got.

00:20:10.060 And she paints him as kind of a douchebag that he was basically measuring the drapes for his vice presidential residence and office upon the interview to the point where she had to tell him, you know, it's not a co-vice presidency or a co—it's not a co-presidency, Josh.

00:20:25.740 And he was told about her book by a reporter who was with him profiling him for The Atlantic, I think it was.

00:20:39.500 And this person wrote about how that went over, where he said, hey, her book just—yeah, it was Tim Alberta in The Atlantic.

00:20:46.440 And he said to Josh Shapiro, this is just last week, this is what she said about you.

00:20:54.800 And then he said, did she give you any heads up about her book?

00:20:57.380 Shapiro said, no, she didn't.

00:21:00.200 Then I told him that Harris had taken some shots at him.

00:21:03.020 Shapiro furrowed his brow and crossed his arms.

00:21:06.240 Kay, he said.

00:21:08.340 The man I observed, writes Alberta, over the next several minutes was unrecognizable.

00:21:13.860 Gone was his equilibrium.

00:21:14.900 He moved between outrage and exasperation, as I relayed the excerpts.

00:21:19.580 Harris had accused him, in essence, of measuring the drapes, even inquiring about featuring Pennsylvania artists in the vice presidential residence, of insisting, quote, that he would want to be in the room for every decision, end quote, Harris might make.

00:21:31.140 And more generally, of hijacking the conversation when she interviewed him for the job, to the point where she reminded him he would not be co-president.

00:21:38.280 She wrote that in her book, he said in response. 1.00

00:21:41.560 That's complete and utter bullshit. 1.00

00:21:43.740 I can tell you her accounts are just blatant lies, he writes. 1.00

00:21:48.600 Then I asked, says Alberta, whether he felt betrayed, quote, from Shapiro. 1.00

00:21:55.340 I mean, she's trying to sell books and cover her ass, Shapiro snapped. 0.99

00:22:00.260 The governor stared past me now, shaking his head. 0.99

00:22:03.300 As I began to ask a different question, he held up a hand.

00:22:06.220 He looked disgusted.

00:22:07.080 With me?

00:22:07.540 With Harris?

00:22:08.100 No.

00:22:08.340 I began to realize he was disgusted with himself. 1.00

00:22:11.780 I shouldn't say cover her ass. 1.00

00:22:13.440 I think that's not appropriate. 0.99

00:22:15.180 His tone was suddenly collected.

00:22:16.900 She's trying to sell books, period. 0.94

00:22:19.380 Well, Shapiro just got asked about that by a reporter on MS Now on Monday.

00:22:26.020 Here's how that went and sought a team.

00:22:27.580 Former Vice President Kamala Harris here. 1.00

00:22:31.660 It says, I mean, she's trying to sell books and cover her ass. 1.00

00:22:35.440 Sorry, we're standards. 1.00

00:22:36.760 Shapiro snapped.

00:22:37.660 I shouldn't say cover her word.

00:22:39.700 I shouldn't say on standards.

00:22:40.980 I think that's not appropriate, Shapiro said.

00:22:43.200 His tone was suddenly collected.

00:22:44.880 She's trying to sell books, period. 0.94

00:22:46.920 What were you trying to signal in that moment, sir?

00:22:49.920 You want to parse this out for us?

00:22:55.020 There's no parsing.

00:22:56.200 Look, I stand by what I said.

00:22:58.480 I think the way in which the author described my emotion, frankly, was not accurate.

00:23:04.640 But the words are mine, and I stand by them.

00:23:07.120 I think what was relayed to me by that author that the Vice President had written about me

00:23:12.700 just simply wasn't true.

00:23:14.000 And, you know, I think the Vice President and I had very and continue to have very candid

00:23:19.360 conversations.

00:23:20.520 And I think the way in which it was articulated to me, what was said was certainly not accurate.

00:23:28.420 No one likes her. 0.99

00:23:30.000 That's the bottom line, Stu.

00:23:32.520 Pete Buttigieg doesn't like her now.

00:23:34.260 Gavin Newsom was just taking a shot at her. 1.00

00:23:36.420 Josh Shapiro basically called her an asshole. 0.99

00:23:38.820 She's made more enemies than she had even when she was running, which is not how you 1.00

00:23:44.460 become the Democratic primary winner.

00:23:48.120 No, it's true.

00:23:49.080 And it's, I guess, maybe the strategy, if there is one, and we're assuming there is,

00:23:54.800 maybe the strategy is to try to paint these people she views as potential opponents in

00:24:00.980 that primary in a negative light, right?

00:24:03.240 Like, hey, you know, they weren't supportive.

00:24:05.100 They didn't help.

00:24:05.880 She keeps doing this to people who, you know, almost definitely are running for president.

00:24:10.100 I mean, Shapiro's going to run.

00:24:12.060 Buttigieg is going to run.

00:24:13.280 I would be really surprised if both of them didn't get in the race.

00:24:17.800 And I think that, yeah, I mean, Newsom's as sure a thing as he's been running since

00:24:23.080 what, you know, I don't know, certain before 2020, I think he was, he was running for president

00:24:27.740 in a way.

00:24:28.880 He's, he loves himself very much and is very excited about his own leadership.

00:24:33.500 But I think, you know, that might be her tactic here.

00:24:36.980 Again, she's not good at this, though. 0.70

00:24:38.600 She's not a good tactician. 1.00

00:24:40.780 She doesn't really know how to do any of these things.

00:24:44.820 And she surprisingly, like, in a moment where she should have created distance during the

00:24:51.940 campaign after Biden steps down, she should have been a little, I mean, it might have

00:24:56.800 helped her to say, look, you know, I tried to communicate over and over again to the president

00:25:01.300 that the border situation, while I love, you know, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants,

00:25:06.420 we want to do the best for them.

00:25:07.240 I don't think that we were handling that appropriately.

00:25:10.640 And we needed to do more.

00:25:11.880 And we had a disagreement on that.

00:25:13.260 But he was the president of the United States.

00:25:15.260 There was a path to go there that was not dismissive of the president and highly critical,

00:25:19.420 but was just to, hey, there's a little bit of separation between us.

00:25:22.680 She couldn't even do that. 0.52

00:25:23.840 And now she's getting into this race with people who she views as her opponents and just 0.96

00:25:28.500 trashing them, not on policy, not on any, you know, legitimate thing, just like, oh,

00:25:32.580 well, he wanted the job too much, which really should be a qualification for even being considered

00:25:37.840 for it.

00:25:38.420 And like she didn't, you know, like she was, she really had to be talked into it by Joe

00:25:43.560 Biden.

00:25:44.160 Well, we'll continue to watch it, but I agree with the times that she's doing the things

00:25:48.320 presidential candidates do.

00:25:49.840 And I'd be very surprised if she walks away. 0.65

00:25:52.340 Few people do from power and she clearly has something to prove.

00:25:55.700 My bust is in the U.S. Congress.

00:25:58.100 Sorry, Stu, I did it again.

00:25:59.220 Um, okay.

00:26:00.960 I want to move on to this news about the accused pipe bomber from January 6th.

00:26:06.320 Things are kind of interesting here.

00:26:09.540 First, okay.

00:26:11.100 There's a, there's a pair of reports here.

00:26:14.080 My God.

00:26:15.140 I don't know if you saw this, but today the New York post is reporting that the suspect,

00:26:18.920 Brian Cole Jr.

00:26:20.580 Quote, has secret online, online life obsessing over my little pony.

00:26:27.540 So I'm sorry, this is the thing.

00:26:34.880 So my, my dear friend took her daughters when they were young to a, my little pony convention

00:26:40.420 that was, it was coming to town at a hotel.

00:26:42.640 She's like, oh yeah, that's fun. 0.91

00:26:43.800 You know, my, my daughters love my little pony. 1.00

00:26:47.140 Not understanding that it's actually for pervy men.

00:26:52.140 It's not actually, these conventions are not for little girls.

00:26:57.120 They are for pervy men, many of whom are connected to the furry community who will show up there.

00:27:02.580 It's a very bizarre situation.

00:27:04.620 Now there's no allegation in this piece that this pipe bomber is a furry, but what adult

00:27:10.460 male is obsessed with my little pony?

00:27:13.040 I'm sorry, there's something wrong with that person.

00:27:16.380 And what the post reports is he was a high, I'm sorry, highly active, highly active, my little

00:27:28.420 pony fan.

00:27:29.520 Um, he was seemingly obsessed with the toys marketed at young girls, creating art of plastic

00:27:37.080 pony dolls, remixes of songs about them and writing fan fiction dedicated to them.

00:27:43.500 His works writes the post are spread across various social media accounts linked to his

00:27:48.520 email and phone number posing, posting as I Delta Velocity.

00:27:52.480 He apparently uploaded 87 pictures of my little pony fan art to one forum showing various pony

00:27:58.420 and unicorn characters.

00:27:59.780 One is depicted with a bionic leg brace.

00:28:02.320 He appears to favor pink or purple ponies with long multicolored manes.

00:28:07.220 In one post, a Star Wars inspired pony says in a speech bubble, I'm not cute.

00:28:12.420 I'm deadly, which Cole says is a line from a video game, Star Wars, the old Republic.

00:28:17.120 A Tumblr account focuses on my little pony art, which used one of his usernames comment,

00:28:22.480 somebody who has his username commented on a drawing of a pony with an M60 machine gun

00:28:27.560 writing, eh, I'd give her an RPG. 0.53

00:28:30.360 What can I say?

00:28:31.660 Explosions are cool.

00:28:33.740 Referring to a rocket, rocket propelled grenade launcher.

00:28:36.460 Very interesting to have the potential pipe bomber talking about how explosions are cool in

00:28:40.880 all caps.

00:28:42.260 Um, then they explained to their audience, a man who is part of the my little pony community

00:28:48.380 subculture is known as a brony.

00:28:51.840 And they referenced the fact that as of 2017, this is a large enough subculture that they

00:28:58.400 were holding annual conventions.

00:28:59.920 Didn't I tell you?

00:29:00.980 And we actually pulled some video from one of those conventions just so you could get a

00:29:05.540 look-see, Stu Spurgeier.

00:29:07.100 I mean, I know you haven't been, um, but let's take a little look at what you might encounter

00:29:11.980 if you were to go to the next one.

00:29:20.900 There's no straight bronies.

00:29:22.100 They just haven't met me yet. 0.67

00:29:23.260 I've met plenty of straight bronies.

00:29:24.940 They're fine.

00:29:25.800 They can come to my rodeo anytime.

00:29:27.700 Oh my God.

00:29:28.480 Do you ever kiss these dolls?

00:29:30.560 No.

00:29:32.040 I snuggle, but that's about it.

00:29:33.760 What do you think of guys that are into my little pony?

00:29:35.720 Nothing wrong with it.

00:29:36.580 Guys who, or was it cosplay my little pony?

00:29:38.620 You're hot.

00:29:38.980 They're hot.

00:29:41.020 What do you like about my little pony?

00:29:43.720 It's innocent.

00:29:44.820 The characters themselves are very cute.

00:29:46.460 I like the music, and I love Pinkie Pie, and how she boings, and how she defies gravity.

00:29:49.620 Why do so many people like it?

00:29:50.800 Because it stops them feeling lonely.

00:29:52.240 Oh my God.

00:29:52.600 Because they see cute little colorful animals on screen, and they kind of wish their friends

00:29:56.780 were like that.

00:29:57.300 Maybe I should be Pinkie Pie.

00:29:58.680 There you go.

00:29:59.140 Here.

00:29:59.380 You can hold them like this.

00:30:00.020 Yay.

00:30:00.460 Yay.

00:30:02.820 Why is it so popular now with adult men?

00:30:05.640 I think because a lot of them want to sleep with Fluttershy.

00:30:08.300 Do you want to hook up with Fluttershy? 0.98

00:30:10.560 I, yeah.

00:30:11.780 I don't think you even have to ask.

00:30:14.400 Oh my God, Stu.

00:30:17.380 I actually dispute that that's not furry culture.

00:30:21.240 That is furry culture.

00:30:23.580 There's something very off about those people.

00:30:25.920 I think we can all agree.

00:30:27.380 It wasn't all men.

00:30:28.600 It was a fair amount of women, too. 0.99

00:30:30.520 Some of whom the men want to sleep with some character in the My Little Pony world.

00:30:35.120 And I think that this guy's interest in this community will come as a surprise to approximately

00:30:41.560 no one.

00:30:45.400 Not at all.

00:30:46.360 Absolutely no one.

00:30:47.440 And I do want to say that I was going to wear a horse head for this interview.

00:30:51.780 I'm so glad I didn't.

00:30:53.620 It would have matched.

00:30:54.940 It would have been very awkward.

00:30:55.900 So awkward.

00:30:55.940 Yeah, it's not surprising at all, is it, Megan?

00:31:01.580 And I don't know about you, but like when I, their first couple of incidents we had here

00:31:05.720 with people in this generalized community, whether it's the trans community, the furry community,

00:31:11.520 or the brony community, committing acts of violence, I kind of had a, you know, I had a nerdy

00:31:23.600 reaction to it, which was like, I don't know.

00:31:25.560 Is this really supported?

00:31:26.740 Is this, you know, is it just one person?

00:31:28.720 And we're all kind of noticing it because this is, you know, kind of bizarre lifestyle.

00:31:33.080 And then they just keep piling up.

00:31:35.180 The incidents keep piling up and piling up and piling up.

00:31:38.700 And we're talking about, you know, some of the major stories of our lifetime.

00:31:43.340 I mean, Charlie Kirk, you know, tied to these communities.

00:31:45.760 I mean, many of these have happened.

00:31:47.920 And I, you know, I think it's real and in a way not surprising when you kind of drill

00:31:52.520 down and think about what the process is, you know, particularly in the trans community,

00:31:55.940 but also I would assume in the brony community at some level.

00:31:59.500 I assume, by the way, most bronies are not committing violent acts.

00:32:02.920 I don't want to paint too broad a brush on this wonderful community.

00:32:05.700 But like, you know, it's true that I think there is a connection there with one trait

00:32:12.500 across all of these communities, which is a lack of connection to reality at some level,

00:32:18.280 right?

00:32:18.820 The idea that you can't recognize, right?

00:32:21.140 Like we can't recognize what gender you are.

00:32:23.040 Like that is a major situation like going on with you.

00:32:26.560 And I'm, if you're dealing with it, I'm sorry about that.

00:32:28.600 But like, that's a major problem.

00:32:30.560 Like it's something that you're not necessarily connected to reality.

00:32:33.860 If you are, you know, maybe dressing up as a furry animal and thinking, you know, living

00:32:39.300 a good chunk of your lifestyle in a mascot uniform.

00:32:43.600 Again, it's a strange choice at the very least.

00:32:46.240 And I'd put the brony situation in that category as well.

00:32:49.740 I think that's a connection.

00:32:51.820 I think that's a real thing because when you are fantasizing about, you know, all of

00:32:57.300 these different situations that no one else around you can recognize, no one else around

00:33:02.200 you sees, you're seeing things that other people don't see.

00:33:05.280 We typically, you know, arrange that with a problem of recognizing reality.

00:33:10.340 And when you have that-

00:33:11.440 Yeah, a delusional disorder.

00:33:12.940 Yeah. 0.96

00:33:13.400 And maybe that is connected to thinking, taking an action, like shooting a father in front

00:33:20.020 of thousands of people is rational.

00:33:23.000 That's not, it's not rational.

00:33:24.940 It's not rational thought.

00:33:25.780 But like in, when you get down these roads and you have the lack of ability to connect

00:33:31.060 a foundation of, you know, shared understanding with the rest of the people around you, it's

00:33:37.860 not surprising you take erratic action, everything from a violent action to maybe dressing up as

00:33:43.500 a pony.

00:33:43.860 You mentioned, um, Charlie Shooter, Tyler Robinson is the man accused of that crime and whom

00:33:52.020 I believe 100% is responsible for that crime.

00:33:56.400 My only real question, and it was confirmed as a subject of inquiry currently by FBI Director

00:34:02.440 Cash Patel is whether trans Tifa had a role in it, whether some of these more radicalized

00:34:06.940 trans people out in the community either knew about it or possibly helped.

00:34:11.440 So that remains to be seen, but I have zero doubt Tyler Robinson was the shooter.

00:34:17.500 Um, and so he was connected with furry culture and the trans community.

00:34:23.020 Uh, Thomas Crooks connected, connected with furry culture and went by they, them.

00:34:28.620 Now you got this accused pipe bomber, accused, I mean, this is a new one to be honest, like

00:34:33.740 connected to the, my little pony, but I'm telling you, I wasn't surprised one bit because

00:34:37.500 of my friend's experience.

00:34:38.400 I remember we were like, Christina, no, this is, you're, you're going to get an Eiffel.

00:34:44.440 And sure enough, she did.

00:34:45.560 She did.

00:34:46.040 She sent us pictures from the convention center, like it was at a hotel.

00:34:49.540 And my friends and I were all laughing, you know, she's like this innocent mom with her

00:34:53.580 two girls.

00:34:55.080 Anyway, they're just not for nothing.

00:34:58.380 Cause Debbie Murphy pulled it. 1.00

00:35:00.080 Um, for those of you not familiar with my little pony, here's a little ad for my little

00:35:04.500 pony.

00:35:04.920 It's marketed appropriately to little girls who is the target audience.

00:35:10.360 What'd you say, Deb?

00:35:13.000 Oh, it's from the eighties.

00:35:14.020 Of course.

00:35:14.380 Yes.

00:35:14.560 We all remember.

00:35:15.200 Here we go.

00:35:15.580 My little pony, my little pony, I comb and brush her hair.

00:35:23.180 My little pony, my little pony, I ribbit to show how much I care.

00:35:29.340 My little pony, my little pony, I take her wherever I go.

00:35:34.820 My little pony, my little pony.

00:35:37.620 All little girls crushing the hair of their pony, my little pony, my little pony, each 1.00

00:35:44.020 sold separately.

00:35:45.020 Collect them all.

00:35:46.580 Yeah.

00:35:47.540 Only now we have the modern day pipe bomber twist of I give her an RPG. 0.99

00:35:53.780 Explosions are cool.

00:35:55.400 Trying to get either a machine gun or an RPG into the hooves of the my little pony.

00:36:00.780 And there's more on this accused pipe bomber, Brian Cole Jr.

00:36:04.660 Um, a former high school classmate told the Washington Post that Cole had carried a my little

00:36:11.660 pony backpack and it will come as a surprise to no one had been teased for it because that

00:36:18.760 is not something any normal straight non-furry man would ever do.

00:36:24.360 Um, and then the post points the following out, New York Post, the subculture of bronies 0.71

00:36:31.060 was very online and unique and attracted a lot of male fans who were breaking gender

00:36:36.760 norms, which attracted a lot of attention said Dr. Daniel Chadbourne, an assistant professor

00:36:42.080 of psychology who wrote the book, meet the bronies, the psychology of the adult, my little

00:36:49.500 pony fandom.

00:36:51.280 Okay.

00:36:51.440 So he says a lot of male fans who are breaking gender norms, I'm telling you, it's all part 0.98

00:36:58.160 of the same effed up mental sickness still.

00:37:03.060 Nate, he goes on to say the subculture here was not generally sexual, but he's not surprised 0.97

00:37:09.700 that within the community, some of its members are troubled.

00:37:13.420 Someone who is disaffected is often going to look for spaces to engage in for a sense

00:37:18.280 of identity and belonging is this is all further evidence that these truly like for too long,

00:37:23.940 we've been treating them all as harmless little kinks or fetishes or just differences. 1.00

00:37:30.520 And I'm sorry, they're not harmless.

00:37:33.200 Like they can be, but I would suggest to you that the majority of people who are drawn to

00:37:39.120 furry culture and certainly the people who find themselves declaring that they are trans

00:37:43.960 have serious psychological issues that you are better to stay away from.

00:37:49.460 And we are better as a society if we can seriously treat early as opposed to indulging it.

00:37:55.740 Now, I want to go on because there's actual news about this investigation that's very interesting,

00:38:02.560 Stu, and it comes to us from Miranda Devine in a piece she posted on December 7th, two days

00:38:07.340 ago, then updated yesterday.

00:38:09.360 Okay, and it's about this alleged shooter, first for him from his grandmother, who says,

00:38:15.820 quote, he's very naive.

00:38:16.960 He's almost autistic-like. 0.95

00:38:18.800 He doesn't understand a lot of stuff.

00:38:21.060 She says he's slow.

00:38:23.260 He may be 30, but he's got the mind of a 16-year-old.

00:38:26.940 Now, that could be true, or it could be a grandma trying to say he's not smart enough

00:38:32.220 to be a pipe bomber.

00:38:33.600 Don't know.

00:38:36.220 Then Miranda gets into the following. 0.99

00:38:38.320 How did Ray's, Christopher Ray's FBI, miss, allegedly, miss the phone used by the suspect

00:38:45.640 in the vicinity of the DNC and RNC headquarters on the evening of January 5th when the pipe

00:38:50.020 bombs were planted?

00:38:51.160 Because Kash Patel told me when he came on the show on Friday that he believes it was

00:38:56.400 intentional, that it wasn't just a mistake, but not intentional like, I don't want to catch

00:39:02.280 a would-be killer, intentional of like, I want to focus on Russiagate.

00:39:06.660 I want to focus on other things that are bad for Trump and not this anymore.

00:39:13.640 But she asked this question in part because we saw in the FBI affidavit in support of

00:39:19.420 this guy's arrest that Cole's cell phone, quote, engaged in approximately seven data

00:39:25.500 session transactions with his cell phone provider's towers between 739 and 824 p.m.

00:39:30.400 in the area of the RNC and DNC on January 5th, 2021, locating him at the right place at the

00:39:35.480 right time.

00:39:35.940 That info was obtained by the FBI within weeks of the discovery of the pipe bombs.

00:39:42.000 And she accurately points out it took the FBI nearly five years, though, to track down

00:39:46.300 and arrest Cole Jr.

00:39:48.440 Then she brings up the case of Steve D'Antuono.

00:39:54.880 Steve D'Antuono, D-A-N-T-U-O-N-O, was head of the FBI's Washington field office until his

00:40:01.600 retirement in December 22, who was in charge of the crucial first year of the pipe bomb

00:40:07.540 case, as well as the Capitol riot investigation.

00:40:11.160 He was assigned to Washington one month before the 2020 election from his previous role in

00:40:15.940 Detroit, where he ran the disastrous Gretchen Whitmer fed napping case that resulted in 0.99

00:40:20.760 multiple mistrials and acquittals amid claims of FBI entrapment.

00:40:25.040 That's this is Miranda writing correctly. 0.99

00:40:28.140 D'Antuono, who has since found a job at KPMG, also led the controversial FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago.

00:40:36.140 This guy's like right in the middle of some of the most controversial FBI actions in history.

00:40:40.320 In any case, in June 2023, he testified before Congress do, claiming that the FBI had received

00:40:47.260 corrupted data in the pipe bomb case from one of the three major cell phone carriers, and

00:40:55.120 that that may have been the reason the FBI could not find the pipe bomber.

00:41:00.520 He said, and I quote,

00:41:01.620 We did a complete geo-fence, but there's some data that was corrupted by one of the providers,

00:41:08.080 not purposely by them.

00:41:09.980 It was just an unusual circumstance that we have corrupt data from one of the providers.

00:41:15.380 Can't remember which one right now, but for that day, which is awful, because we don't have that

00:41:19.800 information to search now.

00:41:21.260 So could it have been that provider?

00:41:22.880 Yeah.

00:41:23.280 With our luck, you know, with this investigation, it probably was.

00:41:26.120 Yet all three of the cell phone carriers contacted by the Congressional Committee now investigating

00:41:34.580 the pipe bomb case confirmed to Congress that they, quote, did not provide corrupted data

00:41:41.500 to the FBI and that the FBI never informed them of any issues with accessing the cellular data.

00:41:48.840 So Mr. Duantono appears to have been either wrong or lying in trying to explain to them why the cell

00:42:00.400 phone tower data was a dead end for them, because they're saying, if you have a bunch of info from

00:42:07.560 two, but not from the third, how do you know this is the full universe of people? And how can you

00:42:13.900 really sort of cross-reference and therefore we couldn't find the guy? Well, it was no problem

00:42:19.820 for Dan Bongino. And also we just got this testimony like two months ago from the subcommittee

00:42:27.580 or to the subcommittee saying there was absolutely no corruption of the data as that man testified

00:42:32.400 under oath. So what is going on here?

00:42:37.000 It's a great question. It'll be challenging for me to give you a serious answer with the My

00:42:42.520 Little Pony theme song running through my head constantly since you played that commercial.

00:42:46.080 My Little Pony.

00:42:47.700 It's a great ad. It's a great ad.

00:42:50.480 So far I have put Kamala Harris's bust and the My Little Pony theme song in her head. And

00:42:55.640 this is a problem for more than just you, Stu. I'm sure many of our listeners feel the same.

00:43:00.320 I think that's true. It's a fascinating story because the length of time it took for us to get to

00:43:07.720 anything. There was so many bits and pieces of information that kept popping up about the pipe

00:43:14.600 bomber and we just never really got to anything. It seems shocking because you'd think with their

00:43:20.040 desire to blame someone who supposedly liked Donald Trump for really anything, you'd think that would

00:43:27.360 have been a target if that was real. Certainly doesn't seem like the information we have about

00:43:31.380 this particular individual, lines with someone who would support Donald Trump, which is something I

00:43:38.060 guess he said in an interview at some point, or at least he said that he thought the election was

00:43:42.260 stolen allegedly. We'll see if that proves to be true. But then his grandmother came out and said

00:43:49.560 he is not a Trump supporter. He's not political at all.

00:43:52.980 Yeah. So who knows? Could just be a crazy person, could be a conspiracy theorist, could be something

00:43:57.860 else? It's like Thomas Crooks. Thomas Crooks was hard left, or sorry, he was hard right before he 0.97

00:44:03.780 went hard left. He was Googling where Joe Biden was in the days leading up to the Trump assassination

00:44:08.500 attempt. Then obviously he settled in on Trump. Like it is very possible that these disturbed,

00:44:14.720 disaffected, like tricked out young men are not really political, that they have just violence on

00:44:24.100 their mind. It is also possible they get used by somebody who corrupts their feeble minds. That's

00:44:29.940 something a lot of people have been asking, especially about Thomas Crooks. I don't know about

00:44:33.660 this guy, but anyway, there, it is possible that this wasn't political, even though the targeted

00:44:38.900 entities were the RNC and the DNC. Yeah, yeah, no, very true. And I think when you look at like

00:44:45.620 how all of this played out, you have a guy doing, you know, multiple failed investigations and being

00:44:51.640 aligned with a kind of a bunch of big embarrassments, but politically targeted ones,

00:44:56.280 right? Things that would end up, generally speaking, favoring the Democrats and the Biden

00:45:02.460 administration at the time. And, you know, it's fascinating how these people who do these things

00:45:07.780 that wind up being complete disasters always seem to fail up. Like, you know, he walks out of all of

00:45:13.300 this and he's got a gig at KPMG, right? Like that it's a very strange development. You'd think this is a

00:45:18.740 person who'd be like, Hey, you know, is there, you know, Subway, do you have a gig available?

00:45:24.480 Like, it seems like that's the profile we've seen from someone like that. And I know, honestly,

00:45:29.700 there's been so many theories on this and so much speculation and a lot of it ending up in

00:45:34.220 conspiracies and all of that. And it's kind of understandable because of all the really strange

00:45:40.480 things that have happened. When government officials are telling us the data was corrupted,

00:45:44.920 a new administration gets in and they are fine, like almost instantly able to get a hold of this

00:45:50.260 data and explain to us. Yeah, it's fine. It's been fine the whole time. I mean, you know,

00:45:55.160 when you hear the data is corrupted, it's like, okay, well, we just got to give up. There's nothing

00:45:59.440 we can do here. He's wearing a mask. He's fully clothed. He's got the, his face is covered. There's

00:46:05.860 no way we're going to figure this out without cell phone data. And then, you know, at the end of the

00:46:09.400 day, we just have it, right? You know, there are cameras in the area that were pointed towards

00:46:13.460 places that could have. Yeah. So that's another thing Miranda's pointing out that all images and

00:46:19.320 videos released by the FBI were low res and choppy. This is before. Yeah. She points out Mike

00:46:24.680 Benz, a former State Department official during Trump's first term and an executive director of

00:46:29.480 the Foundation for Freedom Online also claims a blur bar or pixelation effect has been laid over

00:46:34.720 the suspect's eyes in the footage that shows him looking directly at the camera while sitting on a

00:46:39.320 bench outside of the DNC building. Judging by the video, it might also be goggles, but either

00:46:43.400 way, nobody recognized the suspect, perhaps by design. But now this FBI takes over. And before we

00:46:50.200 know it, they've got, you know, better pictures of him, higher res. And she also points out that by

00:46:57.780 the end of February, 2021, the Bureau had begun actively diverting resources away from the pipe

00:47:03.560 bomb investigation. It's, you know, they, they did have other priorities under Joe Biden. They were,

00:47:09.160 they were tracking grannies at abortion clinics. They were tracking parents at COVID meetings who 0.99

00:47:15.040 literally just went over their allotted time, not making that up. The Merrick Garland testified before

00:47:22.760 Congress on what led them to consider labeling parents domestic terrorists pursuant to that letter

00:47:29.660 that went to Joe Biden. And one of the items were, was parents going over their time at the microphone

00:47:35.780 at school board meetings. That's the insanity that the DOJ and the FBI were looking into instead of

00:47:41.440 trying to find this guy who, by the way, Kash Patel and the FBI said had other bomb parts still

00:47:48.460 sitting in his room, presumably purchased after the J6 date. So God knows what he was planning. You know, 0.94

00:47:54.640 it's like, perhaps we should have been focused on him instead of the parent who went over her allotted

00:48:00.740 time. Yeah. And that is, and to add on to that unseemly pile of priorities, they were also taking

00:48:10.740 the, the cell phone information of sitting U S senators and looking at what they were doing and also

00:48:17.840 running a multi-year campaign to fool the American people into believing their president had some

00:48:27.320 cognitive abilities that he clearly did not have. This is a, you know, they, it's his, I think,

00:48:34.960 I really think over time, this will become a situation where we really understand historically

00:48:41.020 how significant a lot of this stuff was. I mean, you know, we're talking about the American people

00:48:45.660 without a president basically for multiple years, uh, at least making the decisions on a day-to-day

00:48:51.460 basis, really big things like this. You know, I, I, you mentioned the, um, the pro-life, uh,

00:48:57.440 centers. Some of those cases are fascinating. I mean, situations where local police didn't see it as

00:49:03.360 enough of a priority. Local police were like, ah, we saw the details of this investigation. We're not

00:49:08.500 going to charge this individual. And then mysteriously weeks later, the federal government

00:49:15.240 gets involved in a minor case with no charges in a locality where no one was injured. You know,

00:49:22.340 there's a little bit of a scuffle, a little bit of an argument, but that's really it.

00:49:25.860 And then the feds start coming in and charging individuals for crimes of like blocking abortion

00:49:32.080 clinics. And how do they even know about a case like that? Let alone want to prosecute it.

00:49:37.040 The, the, all the things that the Democrats say about Trump, they say he's targeting their enemies.

00:49:40.880 They say he's out of control. All he wants is power. He wants to, you know, go blow through the

00:49:45.040 department of justice and all the things they say about him are all very familiar to them because

00:49:49.620 they were doing them all themselves for four years. And, you know, that has to be exposed.

00:49:54.940 It really is. We don't get to the bottom of that and, uh, and, and come up with some sense of

00:50:01.000 consequence for the people who were involved in it. You know, this stuff's just going to keep

00:50:04.940 we should have a congressional like hearing on this and maybe this committee, uh, that Miranda

00:50:09.740 references is going to look into with the subcommittee, but I want, I want to know who

00:50:14.100 gave the stand down order, you know, if one was given or was it just a generic, like, Hey, we're

00:50:19.380 all moving on. Like, Hey, here's 20 other things for you to focus on. So you're not going to look at,

00:50:24.020 but it's very, it is weird that they were making progress and, um, you know, getting, getting

00:50:29.880 somewhere on the investigation. And then suddenly they had no interest in it. Look,

00:50:34.420 I only know two things. We, we have to stand for the people. All right. That's number one.

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00:53:13.300 Stu Bergeer of Stu Does America is back with me now. Stu, our friend Piers Morgan sat down with Nick

00:53:28.520 Fuentes and did the interview that everybody wanted Tucker to do with Nick Fuentes. And I'm sure this is

00:53:35.580 going to make everyone super happy and put to bed the controversy of Nick Fuentes and his appeal.

00:53:42.440 Oh, wait, no, it won't at all. But here's a little taste of how it went. Take a listen here to top 12.

00:53:50.520 Just to clear up one of the many theories about you, I've no idea what the answer is and you haven't

00:53:54.620 got to answer it. But are you actually attracted to women?

00:53:57.200 I am attracted to women. You're not gay? 0.97

00:54:02.400 No. But I will say that women are very difficult to be around. 1.00

00:54:07.660 OK. So there's that. 0.61

00:54:09.700 And do you think they should have the right to vote?

00:54:12.820 I do not. No, absolutely not.

00:54:15.420 They should stay at home?

00:54:17.540 Well, yeah, absolutely. 0.99

00:54:20.180 See, basically, you're just a misogynist old dinosaur, aren't you? For a young guy. 0.99

00:54:24.320 I mean, I know I'm the boomer. I know I'm the boomer here.

00:54:27.500 But actually, you're a 27-year-old dinosaur, aren't you? Aren't you, Nick Fuentes?

00:54:32.040 All women are annoying. All women grow old. They all get fat. 1.00

00:54:37.600 Says the guy. Have you ever had sex? 0.99

00:54:40.680 No, absolutely not. 0.71

00:54:41.740 Wow. Says the guy who's never got laid.

00:54:45.780 OK. I mean, it's interesting. You know, Piers did his thing.

00:54:52.260 But honestly, I don't understand the value that comes out of any of it.

00:54:55.300 I've got to be honest. I love Piers.

00:54:56.660 But, like, I don't get it.

00:54:58.400 I don't think this is worth doing.

00:55:01.900 I just think if you don't like Nick Fuentes, you should ignore Nick Fuentes.

00:55:06.440 I don't think people hearing him.

00:55:08.060 Here's another soundbite. This is him on Hitler.

00:55:10.220 It's not going to surprise anybody. Here he is.

00:55:13.800 Do you think Hitler was very fucking cool? 0.99

00:55:15.880 Yes, I do. 0.98

00:55:20.200 And I'm tired of pretending he's not, to be honest.

00:55:23.960 This is the problem, you see. It's a bit like when you just say, I'm a racist.

00:55:27.220 You're a racist who thinks Hitler's cool, but you're not anti-Semitic. 0.66

00:55:31.060 If you're a Jewish person watching this, what are they thinking? 0.99

00:55:37.380 Just one more, Stu. Here he is.

00:55:39.220 And one of the things that was arable, if you go to his show, the stuff's not arable, his thoughts on blacks.

00:55:47.960 This is where you talk about Jews, women, and blacks. 0.58

00:55:52.420 Let's just take a listen.

00:55:54.700 They're always coming up with, no, it's not the Jews. 0.99

00:55:58.140 No, it's not women. 1.00

00:55:59.560 No, it's not blacks. 0.78

00:56:01.020 It's actually really complicated. 1.00

00:56:03.540 No, it fucking isn't at all. 0.99

00:56:06.360 Jews are running society. 1.00

00:56:07.760 Women need to shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:56:10.140 Blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part. 1.00

00:56:13.480 And we would live in paradise. 1.00

00:56:15.500 It's that simple.

00:56:17.960 Okay.

00:56:19.100 Would you like to clarify what you meant there?

00:56:23.000 That's all true.

00:56:24.580 That's 100% true.

00:56:26.560 Everything I said in that clip is true. 0.98

00:56:28.480 Including that blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part. 1.00

00:56:33.080 Uh, yeah. 0.99

00:56:34.360 Yes.

00:56:36.800 Okay.

00:56:37.760 So, I don't, like, what are your thoughts?

00:56:41.860 Because I just don't, I love Pierce, and he does a lot of controversial interviews, and it's kind of part of his brand.

00:56:47.960 But for me personally, like, I see absolutely no redeeming value in doing this.

00:56:54.380 Yeah, I mean, first of all, can we go back to the bronies?

00:56:57.220 Can we talk about that instead?

00:56:58.300 Is that possible?

00:56:58.840 That was the cleaner, nicer portion of our time today.

00:57:04.020 Yeah.

00:57:04.660 Yeah.

00:57:06.080 You know, look, I, obviously, his views are awful.

00:57:10.160 And I think it's quite obvious to everyone that it's awful.

00:57:13.860 You know, Pierce can program his own show, just like Tucker can program his own show, and you can program your own show, and I can program mine.

00:57:18.880 And, you know, some people think this is interesting, and I think there's a lot of views on this, where it's like, oh, God, his views are abhorrent.

00:57:24.940 I fully agree with that.

00:57:27.240 People question about whether his, you know, views are somewhat, I don't know, manufactured?

00:57:33.620 Is it partially a shtick?

00:57:34.980 I don't know.

00:57:35.540 I don't know the guy, and I don't want to know the guy.

00:57:38.320 At the end of the day, though, there's like a different section that I also fall into, which is I just don't find him all that interesting.

00:57:45.260 You know, I don't get a lot out of it.

00:57:48.460 I don't need or really care about any of his views.

00:57:51.840 When you're leading with Hitler was cool, and I like Stalin, I kind of made up my mind about the Holocaust a really long time ago. 0.97

00:58:00.140 I don't feel the need to re-entertain it.

00:58:02.020 You're just trying to be subversive.

00:58:02.900 You're just trying to be subversive and attract attention by saying the most outrageous things.

00:58:07.220 Yeah, it's not a criticism of Pierce.

00:58:09.280 It's a criticism of the people who are like, Tucker needed to do his interview with Nick Fuentes a certain way, you know, to like show people that side of him.

00:58:16.860 And I just feel like if you spent 20 seconds just Googling the name, you will get all of those views.

00:58:24.300 They will be the first thing that's there on you.

00:58:26.320 I don't think there's a huge population of people who listen to Tucker's show who walked away with, that's a really interesting guy.

00:58:32.200 I want to know more.

00:58:33.960 People know that name.

00:58:35.160 They know the name Nick Fuentes now because mostly the left but also the right have made him a boogeyman.

00:58:40.860 And whatever, they did that for whatever their reasons were.

00:58:46.460 But now he's better known than ever.

00:58:49.740 And he's been on a bunch of other podcasts.

00:58:52.500 This is why, like, I've never asked him for an interview and I have no desire to interview him.

00:58:56.960 I can cross-examine with the best of them.

00:59:01.180 Trust me.

00:59:01.680 Oh, yeah.

00:59:02.360 If I want to do a contentious interview, I know how.

00:59:06.060 This just seems pointless to me.

00:59:07.600 Like, to me, it's like you want to cross-examine reasonable people who are taking an outrageous position on something.

00:59:17.040 You know, like someone who's, like, gettable.

00:59:19.420 Someone who you might actually find fundamentally decent but who's just gone, like, off the deep end on something.

00:59:25.500 That's somebody I would talk to.

00:59:27.080 But I don't really want to talk to crazy and I don't really want to talk to I'm just subversive looking for attention.

00:59:33.380 It's not that interesting to me.

00:59:34.780 Yeah, I mean, you know, you interviewed Vladimir Putin, right?

00:59:38.940 Like, this is a person that has really awful views and I think is, oh, God, even worse.

00:59:44.680 But, yeah, you know, there is value in interviewing someone who, particularly someone who has power.

00:59:52.880 And, you know, I'm not saying that there's no case for an investigation on what the phenomenon is if there is one.

01:00:01.220 I mean, there's some belief that, you know, it's a little bit overstated, which I know I tend to agree with. 1.00

01:00:06.260 You know, I run in conservative circles, never met anybody in my entire life who brought up anything about Nick Fuentes, that they watched the show.

01:00:13.560 I mean, they probably exist.

01:00:16.040 I don't know.

01:00:16.480 He's become like a David Duke figure.

01:00:18.460 We're like, you know, the name, you know, generally what he stands for.

01:00:21.520 It's not really something you're going to spend any time with.

01:00:24.500 Yeah.

01:00:24.940 And I don't know, Megan, is it is it OK?

01:00:26.540 Because I see a lot of people posting online about the back and forth between what you're supposed to do in these moments.

01:00:32.720 Right.

01:00:32.980 Like you're supposed to take him on at full strength and make sure everything he says is denounced and everyone who talks to him, you denounce them.

01:00:40.160 And and I can understand that argument.

01:00:42.780 You know, I really do think his views are absolutely terrible.

01:00:45.740 And I see another side of people who are fighting back and saying, no, it's a really important phenomenon.

01:00:50.760 We need to talk about him constantly.

01:00:52.140 And, you know, I guess there's some validity to that view as well.

01:00:56.140 The end of the day, though, do I have to be interested in everything?

01:00:59.740 Do I have a life I live?

01:01:01.220 Right. I've got kids at basketball games and baseball games and gymnastics meets.

01:01:05.380 Like, do I really have to come here and try to make a case of that the Holocaust happened? 0.89

01:01:12.080 What year is this?

01:01:13.600 Like, it's just it's just flatly uninteresting to me at the scale we're at.

01:01:20.480 It seems like you feel the same way with it.

01:01:22.440 I just like I've heard about it.

01:01:24.380 I'm done with conspiracy theories, too.

01:01:25.900 Like I could spend all day if you want to take on somebody's favorite conspiracy theories.

01:01:30.060 You could devote your whole show to it every day, debunking each each latest iteration of it.

01:01:34.780 Who wants to spend their time like that? 0.99

01:01:37.020 It's utterly pointless, by the way, because you can't talk people who believe conspiracy theories out of their beliefs of those conspiracy theories.

01:01:43.700 They don't respond.

01:01:44.500 The like the truly conspiratorial thinkers do not respond to hard facts that disprove their theories at all.

01:01:51.500 They just find a way around them.

01:01:53.360 They find a new way to justify them.

01:01:54.960 I mean, you truly would be better just banging your head against your desk.

01:01:58.200 So it's like, why not?

01:02:00.160 Why do it?

01:02:01.180 Why not spend the time delivering what you know is real news that actually might affect people's lives and let those chips on these other things fall where they may?

01:02:10.220 It's just it's America. 0.97

01:02:11.300 You can be crazy. 0.96

01:02:12.560 It's America. 1.00

01:02:13.260 You can be racist.

01:02:14.400 It's America.

01:02:15.240 You can be subversive.

01:02:16.380 And what we can do is use the law when someone like a Nick Fuentes gets into, let's say, a hiring position and those views are unleashed on a staff position or a staffer, somebody working for him.

01:02:28.760 Now, that's illegal, but it's not illegal to have his views.

01:02:31.760 And it's not illegal for him to be popular, which he is amongst a certain contingent.

01:02:37.180 And they know that contingent knows better than you and I know what he actually stands for because he makes zero attempts to hide it, especially on his show.

01:02:47.080 So even if you go over to Tucker's show or whoever's show and you manage to like act like you're kind of a normie, as soon as somebody tunes into your actual show and you're Nick Fuentes, they're going to hear exactly what you stand for.

01:02:56.900 He is not shy on his show.

01:02:58.780 He says it all.

01:02:59.780 It's shocking.

01:03:00.400 So anyway, I just thought it was sort of an interesting social situation where somebody did the thing they wanted of Tucker.

01:03:08.260 I don't think it will change anything.

01:03:10.560 Yeah, I tend to think the same way.

01:03:12.800 And I understand some people feel like really passionate to call out every one of these things.

01:03:17.420 I'm glad there is the other side, that if people are searching, the very few that could be convinced, I'm glad that those views are out there.

01:03:24.540 But like I tend to – like I was reading a piece by Coleman Hughes recently.

01:03:29.660 I don't know if you talked about that.

01:03:30.860 Yeah, it was a great piece.

01:03:31.940 I haven't talked about it.

01:03:32.900 Very good.

01:03:34.400 And he's fantastic.

01:03:36.680 And I think he had a really good breakdown of this and kind of talked about Nick Fuentes.

01:03:41.480 He did another video about how Nick Fuentes has one opinion on his show.

01:03:47.900 And then he comes to mainstream podcasts and he changes that.

01:03:50.360 And that might have been what Pierce was getting at there saying, okay, you're on a mainstream podcast.

01:03:54.340 Now, you know, don't soften it.

01:03:56.080 Let me ask you these direct questions, which maybe there's some value to.

01:03:58.340 But, you know, I think about Coleman Hughes.

01:04:00.500 He wrote a book.

01:04:01.680 His most recent book was about race.

01:04:03.940 And it was excellent.

01:04:06.000 Like it is, I believe, an important book.

01:04:08.240 A book that like America should know about and should understand how to really dissect a topic like that that's difficult.

01:04:17.420 If you don't know Coleman, he's an African-American guy who – but he's talking about race in a really sensible way and solving, I think, a lot of these problems and making real impact on it.

01:04:26.740 And, you know, if anyone read it, right, like it – you know, we – Nick Fuentes' views on these things are getting a hell of a lot more publicity from the left, the right, the middle, and everything else than this incredible book that came out like last year that should have been much more in the spotlight and much more part of a serious conversation.

01:04:45.900 Like I'm not saying that someone who's, you know, literally threatening to imprison people based on the race is not a threat.

01:04:52.020 You should take those people seriously at some level. 0.99

01:04:54.320 But he's also a goofball. 0.96

01:04:55.480 And I don't know what to believe about it. 0.79

01:04:58.500 If we lose the battle on where the Holocaust – whether the Holocaust happened, we're lost as a society already, and I don't know if there's anything to repair. 0.74

01:05:06.360 Maybe instead of spending another 25,000 segments on Nick Fuentes, go back and read the Coleman Hughes book.

01:05:13.060 That's something really serious and did some real work on race, and I'd encourage people to pick it up and read it.

01:05:18.380 Yeah, I don't – it's just like – I know Jews feel targeted by Nick Fuentes, not for nothing, but women are just as targeted in his rants.

01:05:27.180 So are blacks. 0.99

01:05:28.640 It's like, I'm sorry, but this is America, and people are allowed to say terrible things about us.

01:05:33.040 It's – that's life.

01:05:34.740 It's fine.

01:05:35.400 They think he's been mainstreamed.

01:05:36.580 I don't think he's been mainstreamed.

01:05:37.720 I think Tucker took a look to see why he was growing in popularity.

01:05:41.600 But, you know, now there's a question about whether he even is.

01:05:44.360 I saw an interesting report on X the other day suggesting a lot of his support has been somewhat overstated.

01:05:52.060 It was astroturfed, and he's been, like, pumped up by people who want to undermine the United States, a lot of foreign actors, making him seem more important than he really is, which makes perfect sense to me.

01:06:03.160 Okay, let's keep going because there's one other thing I've got to get to with you before you go.

01:06:06.680 So, okay, everyone takes maybe a few extra days off, I think, if they can, in the summer because it's nice weather, and for a lot of us who are parents, our kids are off, and you want to see them.

01:06:21.500 And if you can see them, like, on a beach by an ocean, so much the better.

01:06:25.540 So I don't begrudge anybody who wants to take their vacation in the summer.

01:06:28.540 I do, however, begrudge taking off more than half of your working days over the course of the summer when you are paid reportedly somewhere near $30 million like Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski.

01:06:47.240 The Free Beacon did this amazing report on how over the summer, it's actually from June, July, August, September, and October, so into the fall as well.

01:06:57.100 Morning Joe, that show, was without at least one of its married, they live together, they're married, co-hosts for literally dozens of episodes.

01:07:05.760 So how does the one, like, you don't go on vacation by yourself without your spouse, not if you're normal.

01:07:12.000 So what's like the one asleep in bed while the other one gets up early and actually fulfills their contractual obligations?

01:07:18.480 So between May 27th and November 15th, Scarborough and Brzezinski appeared together on just 70 of 124 episodes, a Washington Free Beacon review found.

01:07:28.820 So, yeah, so 56% of their shows had both of them on cam, and 44% of their shows did not.

01:07:43.280 For 44% of their shows, they were missing one of the hosts.

01:07:46.780 Scarborough missed 29 shows, that's six weeks, six weeks.

01:07:51.720 Brzezinski missed 41, one out of every three workdays, eight weeks she had off during that brief time for eight.

01:08:01.580 In July, she was out for two consecutive weeks, appearing on only about half of that month's episodes.

01:08:06.940 Neither was present for 16 shows, leaving Morning Joe's C-list, Jonathan Lemire, Willie Geist, and Caddy Kaye to fill in.

01:08:15.780 Caddy Kaye opened the one show by saying, I'm Caddy Kaye, in for Joe, Mika, and Willie.

01:08:20.120 Obviously, everyone's off except me.

01:08:22.460 I'm so sorry.

01:08:24.460 Their chronic absenteeism, reports the Beacon, has reportedly frustrated long-suffering staffers,

01:08:30.200 leading to chaos and a workplace and meltdown because the staff doesn't get all that time off, Stu.

01:08:35.040 Just the two big stars do.

01:08:37.340 Someone saying there's no leadership, according to a senior producer.

01:08:41.000 Every day is a scramble.

01:08:42.440 Who's hosting?

01:08:43.140 What's the tone?

01:08:43.760 Who's running the ship?

01:08:44.600 No one knows.

01:08:45.700 They have special deals.

01:08:47.400 Endless vacation time.

01:08:50.120 Then, they suddenly turned it around, and starting November 12th, just days before MSNBC was forced to switch its name to MSNOW,

01:08:57.680 they got back to work and have since had a perfect attendance streak, three whole weeks showing up for their jobs,

01:09:05.340 the longest since Memorial Day.

01:09:07.580 In fact, their record before November 12th was a whopping seven days in a row.

01:09:14.360 That happened in July.

01:09:16.840 Their compensation package is said to be in the same league as Rachel Maddow's, which is where I got the $30 million from.

01:09:22.720 She makes between $25 million and $30 million.

01:09:24.420 This is crazy.

01:09:25.240 This is elitist snobbery of people who are living in a totally different manner from the people who watch them.

01:09:35.020 They're down in Jupiter, Florida, Stu, at some mansion.

01:09:39.020 I'm sure it's on the water.

01:09:41.440 They're not having anything to do with the communities or the people that they are supposed to be reporting to.

01:09:50.820 And all of this perfectly explains why they cover the news the way they do, why they sound the way they do,

01:09:57.540 and why they just generally have an air of, I'm better than you.

01:10:01.740 Yeah, I mean, you know, that's fascinating.

01:10:06.180 And there's got to be a story behind this, right?

01:10:08.600 Like, you know, I mean, I guess there's an outlier possibility.

01:10:12.000 There's something we don't know about.

01:10:13.100 You know, it could be a health issue or who knows.

01:10:15.220 I mean, you could set that aside.

01:10:17.180 It would be odd.

01:10:18.360 Maybe they're passing it back and forth to each other.

01:10:20.140 It would be really tragic.

01:10:21.680 As one gets better, the other gets sick.

01:10:23.480 Who knows?

01:10:25.200 You know, all I know is a couple of things.

01:10:26.920 Number one, Joe Scarborough years and years and years ago had a radio show.

01:10:30.760 And you might not remember that because no one listened to it at all.

01:10:35.200 But when the show was at one point was taken off the air, he instead of saying what I believe to be the truth,

01:10:43.920 that his ratings were so terrible that, you know, he was just getting canceled.

01:10:47.160 He came up with this elaborate excuse that the show, which I believe was two hours long,

01:10:53.140 needed to go into a hiatus in order to figure out how to add a third hour.

01:11:01.480 Now, I'm not, you know, I don't know.

01:11:05.020 I'm not a mathematician.

01:11:06.740 I might not have all the details.

01:11:08.220 What it seems to me to do is you just stay for the next hour and keep talking.

01:11:11.660 Like, that was my solution for them.

01:11:15.160 You'll be shocked to hear the hiatus never ended.

01:11:18.480 They never came back with a third hour, which, you know, there's he has a history of, you know,

01:11:24.540 making things up and, you know, excusing bizarre circumstances behind the scenes.

01:11:31.820 The best Joe Biden ever.

01:11:33.720 Yeah, right.

01:11:34.380 Oh God, not to mention completely misleading the country in the most egregious way possible.

01:11:40.600 I mean, he, I think he was the worst one, honestly, out of everybody in the media.

01:11:45.720 Yeah, really is say something.

01:11:47.480 The other thing is, you know, I grew up listening to New York radio and Mike and the Mad Dog were a big sports show.

01:11:54.300 And they would do the show together all the time.

01:11:56.860 And for a long time, there would just be filling other hosts when they would be off.

01:12:00.600 And then it started developing into a period where one would host while the other one went on vacation.

01:12:04.980 And then they would come back on the other side and it would be a reverse.

01:12:08.100 And then they'd all have like multiple weeks off and it'd be months before, you know, in between times I heard them together.

01:12:13.360 Later on, we kind of found out they were really at odds.

01:12:15.840 They couldn't stand each other, right?

01:12:17.300 Like they were at the period where they didn't want to talk to each other.

01:12:19.540 They didn't want to see each other.

01:12:21.020 Now, when you're talking about a married couple, you know, everybody might have, you know,

01:12:25.940 there are problems that do get into marriages.

01:12:27.980 And I, you know, again, total speculation here, but you wonder if there's an issue of tension there.

01:12:33.580 It's tough to do a show together in front of the country and be able to hide that.

01:12:38.000 So, I mean, maybe that's, you know, that's, you know, unfair marital counseling advice from Stu Bergeer,

01:12:44.560 but it is an interesting, you wonder because of their relationship, which again, they hid for a long time.

01:12:51.440 It just doesn't seem like there's just even a cell in his body that is honest.

01:12:58.280 And, you know, maybe that plays in here.

01:13:00.820 You know, it's like hard work is what gets you ahead in life.

01:13:04.660 And even when you're at the top, hard work is what is important to keep you there.

01:13:10.180 And I think also to keep you the respect of your audience.

01:13:13.740 Like I take two weeks off in December, right, the Christmas, New Year's break.

01:13:20.240 And the first week of those, I prepare taped new content for my audience because I respect them

01:13:26.500 and I want them to have something to look forward to, something new,

01:13:30.180 especially at a time when there's very little new coming in the podcast world.

01:13:33.840 And in June, the same, we take a family trip every June, all five of us, and we do the same.

01:13:39.860 We do one week of new content.

01:13:42.060 So literally there's only, should be only two weeks of true vacation time where the audience is not getting new content.

01:13:48.860 They're getting like a best stuff.

01:13:50.620 That's not because I loved taping double shows in a month like December where I'm just as busy as everybody else.

01:13:57.560 It's out of respect for the audience and the relationship that we've built, you know.

01:14:01.820 And I just think this is so disrespectful.

01:14:04.560 I cannot imagine in a summer taking off eight weeks.

01:14:09.720 And it also underscores how unimportant they are to their audience too.

01:14:15.100 You know, like I would get complaints from my audience.

01:14:17.280 I do believe if I took eight weeks off in the summer, I think they start writing in like, what happened to you?

01:14:22.120 And they'd start looking for other broadcasters.

01:14:25.200 You know, it's like, can't go eight weeks without getting your news from someone you trust. 1.00

01:14:29.720 These two don't give a shit. 0.99

01:14:30.900 And apparently neither does their audience. 1.00

01:14:34.740 Yeah.

01:14:35.340 That's fascinating because I hadn't heard from anybody that they were taking time off until this freebie piece came out.

01:14:41.760 But you made the point there, which I think is interesting and I will quibble with a little bit, which is that hard work, you know, is what gets you ahead and keeps you on top.

01:14:52.520 What in Joe Scarborough's life shows any evidence of that?

01:14:55.300 You know, he has risen to these levels where he's making $30 million.

01:15:01.180 Yeah, it is.

01:15:02.880 They live in a different world.

01:15:04.320 And it goes back to several of the people we've talked about today.

01:15:07.780 Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris.

01:15:10.460 All of these people learned the same lesson, which is if you believe the right things and you get in front of the camera enough, great things happen.

01:15:18.880 And you're never held to account for any of your actions.

01:15:20.900 Your audience doesn't really care.

01:15:22.820 It's repetitive.

01:15:24.420 Karine Jean-Pierre.

01:15:24.880 Karine Jean-Pierre is maybe the ultimate example.

01:15:29.500 You know, the investigator we talked about earlier.

01:15:31.780 All these people seem to fail up.

01:15:34.260 And, you know, Scarborough has held this gig for a long time with no audience.

01:15:38.460 An audience that's a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of what you have.

01:15:43.220 And that's because the people who listen to your show care about what you say and are here to understand the world.

01:15:48.520 Where the MSNBC audience is, you watch that show.

01:15:52.920 Half of the interviews, because we have it on one of our monitors here.

01:15:56.080 Half of the interviews are with, like, kind of no-name actors in movies that are coming out from major studios that aren't really getting any attention.

01:16:05.340 And it's like, why would they put that on the air?

01:16:07.620 Well, because they're doing the show for, like, 14 Democrats in Hollywood and New York City.

01:16:12.100 Like, they're not doing the show for an audience.

01:16:14.360 It's just a placeholder so they can charge massive ad rates.

01:16:17.620 I mean, it's good work if you can get it.

01:16:19.360 But I would find it pretty unfulfilling as an actual life.

01:16:23.440 Yeah.

01:16:24.080 Those are all great points.

01:16:25.500 And you do raise an interesting thought about what's the state of the marriage.

01:16:28.520 Because, like, if you're both home, can you imagine?

01:16:30.560 Like, you get out there and do it this morning.

01:16:32.640 I don't want to see those people.

01:16:33.880 I don't want to service my audience.

01:16:36.260 You do it.

01:16:37.060 And then the next day, no, no, you do it.

01:16:38.720 I was out there talking. 1.00

01:16:39.700 This audience is a pain in my ass, is basically what they're saying. 1.00

01:16:44.560 This job is a pain in my ass. 1.00

01:16:45.960 Well, then give it up. 1.00

01:16:47.340 Move on.

01:16:48.000 Do something else.

01:16:48.820 Go work.

01:16:49.960 Go be on your boat in Mar-a-Lago or wherever you are, Jupiter, Florida, all the time, right?

01:16:56.340 You're not contributing meaningfully to the national dialogue anymore.

01:16:59.440 Maybe it's time to hang up your spurs.

01:17:02.280 Stu, that's a reference you get as a Texas man.

01:17:04.760 We end where we began.

01:17:06.440 And I love that you might have Jasmine Crockett, as you so exotically refer to her, to kick

01:17:13.600 around for quite some time now, my friend.

01:17:15.320 Let's encourage her. 0.83

01:17:16.100 Let's encourage Kamala. 1.00

01:17:17.420 And I think all of our lives will get better up until the day of the election when they're

01:17:21.020 gone.

01:17:22.400 Jasmine Crockett for Senate, but only in the primary.

01:17:25.960 And then a hopeful, destructive loss.

01:17:28.840 Thanks, Megan.

01:17:29.900 Great to see you.

01:17:30.880 Talk to you soon.

01:17:31.460 Okay, up next, Zachary Levi is here with a new project and more.

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01:18:39.740 Joining me now, actor and producer Zachary Levi.

01:18:47.320 He's joined the show a few times, first as a supporter of RFKJ and then as a supporter

01:18:52.100 of then-candidate Donald Trump.

01:18:54.000 Now, Levi's new film, Not Without Hope, hits theaters this Friday.

01:18:59.920 Oh my gosh, I got a sneak preview of it last night.

01:19:03.500 It was gripping.

01:19:05.740 The film tells the tragic true story of four best friends who went out for a fishing trip

01:19:12.620 only to be lost at sea in the middle of a storm after their boat capsizes.

01:19:18.780 Here's some from the trailer.

01:19:20.000 We're going to be all right.

01:19:23.280 We're four big, strong men.

01:19:25.120 Well, you can't bench press the ocean.

01:19:28.540 Look at this hall.

01:19:31.880 This weather is not good.

01:19:33.700 We got to wrap it up.

01:19:35.560 Nicholas, it's mom.

01:19:37.020 I know you went out fishing this morning.

01:19:39.560 This big storm's supposed to hit.

01:19:45.720 Love you, huh.

01:19:46.880 Bye.

01:19:47.460 We've got some men out in the open water.

01:19:49.420 Four men in the middle of a giant storm.

01:19:58.720 What's happening to them?

01:20:00.240 Hypothermia.

01:20:02.240 I'm going to do everything in my power to bring them home safe and sound.

01:20:06.840 Right now, let's go.

01:20:09.160 No visual.

01:20:10.020 Weather getting worse.

01:20:11.320 We are not done yet.

01:20:14.120 Hang on.

01:20:16.600 I get strong.

01:20:17.880 You get strong.

01:20:18.820 We get strong.

01:20:24.960 Oh, Not Without Hope, again, is the name of the movie.

01:20:27.820 Highly recommend.

01:20:28.800 Zach, welcome back to the show.

01:20:31.000 Hi.

01:20:31.580 Thanks.

01:20:32.020 Good to see you.

01:20:32.620 How's my favorite talk show host?

01:20:34.420 Oh, thank you so much.

01:20:35.520 I'm doing great.

01:20:36.480 I loved the movie.

01:20:38.200 It reminded me of The Perfect Storm.

01:20:39.580 It was about friendship.

01:20:40.580 It was about friendship.

01:20:41.060 It was about perseverance.

01:20:42.400 It was about hope.

01:20:43.700 But also, like, the element that scares us all.

01:20:47.300 Mother nature.

01:20:48.780 The ocean.

01:20:49.760 That comment about you can't bench press the ocean.

01:20:52.080 And just how small we all feel when we encounter one of nature's angry days.

01:20:59.480 And how powerless we are against the elements.

01:21:02.240 My gosh.

01:21:02.900 What was it like shooting this thing?

01:21:04.460 Because you were in the water, like, the whole time.

01:21:08.400 Yeah.

01:21:08.860 Yeah.

01:21:09.040 Basically, the whole time.

01:21:09.820 So, we shot it in Malta in a massive water tank that was filled with actual ocean water.

01:21:15.720 So, it was freezing.

01:21:16.440 It was freezing water.

01:21:17.300 We were in that tank, the four of us, for about three and a half weeks.

01:21:20.660 Mostly shooting at night.

01:21:22.880 And listen, you know, no matter what we encountered, it was nothing compared to what these actual

01:21:27.780 men went through and the loss of their lives.

01:21:31.040 We were surrounded by emergency divers and, you know, medical teams and all that kind of

01:21:35.840 stuff.

01:21:36.080 But it was grueling.

01:21:36.680 It was the most intense physical experience I've ever had.

01:21:39.820 It was part of the reason I signed up for it.

01:21:42.020 I wanted to be challenged in a different way.

01:21:44.560 But I remember reading about this or, you know, seeing this story on the news in passing

01:21:48.800 that these four guys had gone on this fishing trip.

01:21:51.180 Two of them were NFL football players.

01:21:52.800 That was kind of what made it so notable.

01:21:54.740 And I remember just feeling so gutted for them and for their family.

01:21:58.260 Like, what a tragic way to die.

01:22:00.220 And then the script came across my desk.

01:22:02.820 And I, you know, read it and learned about all of the harrowing details of it.

01:22:06.760 And I just thought, man, I, I feel like this is a story that's worth telling.

01:22:10.920 I mean, it's harrowing.

01:22:11.900 It's, it's, it's frustrating.

01:22:13.640 It's angering almost that, you know, so much of this came down to, um, an anchor, you know,

01:22:19.100 getting their anchor caught ultimately.

01:22:20.540 And, uh, and that, that ultimately them trying to dislodge that capsized the boat, they get

01:22:25.500 caught in this storm and Nick Schuyler, the character that I played, he was the, he was

01:22:30.320 the lucky one.

01:22:31.020 He, he survived and he was able to write the book.

01:22:33.180 And then now this is the story that's based on that book.

01:22:35.520 And I believe that we have, you know, not just honored Nick, but honored the lives of

01:22:40.060 these other gentlemen, Marquise and Corey and Will, um, who passed.

01:22:43.980 Uh, and you know, it, it's not a feel good movie.

01:22:47.880 I mean, it, it is a, it is a really, um, pulse pounding, harrowing, uh, adventure.

01:22:54.580 Um, but I think at the end, it still leaves the audience with the concept of holding onto

01:23:00.020 that last shred of hope, no matter what, no matter what the odds are to hold onto that

01:23:04.260 hope.

01:23:05.060 Um, it's imperative.

01:23:06.160 It's imperative in our lives.

01:23:07.240 Well, I also think, you know, they say that the stories that do the best in books, movies,

01:23:10.660 what have you are about friendship and this is about friendship.

01:23:14.080 Yes.

01:23:14.260 It's not that hopeful in the end, although not everyone dies.

01:23:17.860 Um, but it, it is a story about friendship and these four guys who are really close and

01:23:23.120 do everything possible to sort of buoy each other up during this very harrowing experience.

01:23:28.140 And then the, the sole survivor who takes all those memories with him and winds up writing

01:23:32.620 a book and going on a book tour here, his name is Nick Schuyler.

01:23:35.920 That's who you played.

01:23:36.920 He gave the actual guy, um, an interview to Larry King back in 2010, talking about like

01:23:42.580 the hypothermia, which the movie does a very good job of documenting as it set in on these

01:23:46.520 very big NFL players.

01:23:47.860 Here's a little bit of that in Sot 51.

01:23:51.300 Will was able to retrieve a few life jackets and a throw cushion and, um.

01:23:55.580 So why didn't that save people?

01:23:58.460 Uh, it had nothing to do with the drowning.

01:24:00.180 It was the hypothermia.

01:24:01.340 You know, when, when hypothermia sets in, uh, it does things to the mind and the body that,

01:24:06.180 you know, neither I, you know, anyone can control.

01:24:09.840 So, things that happened out there to the guys that they didn't realize that was even

01:24:15.680 happening.

01:24:16.420 When you say not realize, they were disoriented?

01:24:18.700 Correct, yes.

01:24:20.140 And you weren't?

01:24:21.880 Um, not till later.

01:24:23.420 Not till later when I was by myself.

01:24:25.620 What was it like to see three of your friends go under?

01:24:29.960 Um, it was probably the worst thing I could ever imagine for anyone else.

01:24:39.240 It, it's really indescribable and words don't do justice, but, you know, particularly how

01:24:45.800 those guys, you know, went and to sit there absolutely helpless and defenseless and not

01:24:52.780 being able to, to help them or get help or whatever, it, it was definitely heart-wrenching

01:24:58.620 and looking into their eyes once again, them not even knowing what's going on was definitely

01:25:02.820 difficult.

01:25:03.980 All such young, strong guys.

01:25:05.800 Did you get to meet him, Zach?

01:25:07.640 Zach, do you get to meet him?

01:25:08.600 Yes, I did.

01:25:09.540 I did.

01:25:10.060 I, I, you know, I, I, Nick was the lucky one in this ordeal and I was the lucky one in

01:25:15.520 that I had a living counterpart that I could, you know, I, I was able to have a few phone

01:25:20.900 calls with him before we filmed and pick his brain and heart about what was going on, um,

01:25:25.640 in him during that time.

01:25:27.400 As you can imagine, it was, and as you see in this interview, it was an incredibly traumatic

01:25:30.860 experience and with trauma, there's a lot of memories that are repressed.

01:25:33.980 So it was difficult for him to recall a lot of all of those feelings or thoughts that he

01:25:38.720 was having.

01:25:39.740 Um, but I was able to glean what I could from that.

01:25:41.880 And then he was also able to come, he and his wife, Paula, who was his girlfriend at the

01:25:46.540 time and is in the film, um, they came and visited, visited us in Malta.

01:25:51.940 And, uh, so we were able to, you know, kind of visit with them while they were out there,

01:25:56.100 which was a very surreal experience for everyone.

01:25:58.240 I mean, it was very surreal for them as they're watching these scenes being reenacted with his

01:26:02.560 friends dying again.

01:26:04.740 Um, and, uh, and it was surreal for us to be doing that in front of them.

01:26:09.280 But I think that there's something, um, I don't know there there's, when you're doing

01:26:15.460 a movie like this, uh, where you are honoring real people, you know, that is the first and

01:26:21.760 foremost, that is the audience that you are trying to, to please, to honor, to make sure

01:26:26.580 that you're telling that story as authentically as possible.

01:26:29.320 And I believe that we did that.

01:26:30.900 Um, and I hope that we've honored, um, and I hope that we've honored Corey and Marquise

01:26:35.040 and Will and their families in this.

01:26:36.940 I know that Marshall and Quentin and Terrence gave everything that they could.

01:26:40.160 Um, they did not have their real life counterpart to be able to, you know, interface

01:26:45.420 with to, to, to, to dig into those characters.

01:26:48.340 But I know they did everything they could to try to bring them authentically to the

01:26:51.780 screen.

01:26:52.660 Um, and we all bonded greatly while we were in that, that tank.

01:26:56.500 I mean, you can't help but bond because we really were freezing and we were huddling up

01:27:01.500 during the take, after the take, between takes, uh, just trying to stay warm.

01:27:06.500 And again, you know, I'm not trying to paint this as if we were in the same peril that those

01:27:12.120 gentlemen were in, but, um, yeah, but it was a, it was a gnarly experience.

01:27:17.160 I mean, that's, that's grueling for you as an actor.

01:27:19.700 I remember, uh, Kate Winslet talked about that after she shot Titanic about how they

01:27:24.320 went through a lot of that themselves, like near hypothermia from the scene she had to

01:27:28.440 do immersed in water for hours and hours on end.

01:27:31.000 So it can be, it can be, uh, somewhat dangerous and unpleasant for the actors.

01:27:35.520 Of course, that's not to compare it to the actual, you mentioned that scene where the

01:27:39.300 boat gets caught with the anchor gets caught.

01:27:41.460 And honestly, that's what reminded me of the perfect storm that, and some of the waves

01:27:44.360 that came after when the guys were floating, the, that too, doesn't have exactly like a

01:27:49.480 hopeful, like a positive ending, but it's one of those movies that stays with you based

01:27:54.760 on the book written by Sebastian Younger.

01:27:56.480 We have a little bit of that scene cut.

01:27:58.600 You need to see the whole movie, which is called not without hope.

01:28:01.500 It hits theaters this Friday, go see it.

01:28:04.040 But here's a little bit of that moment in just a gripping scene.

01:28:07.640 And I think it's, um, SOT 49.

01:28:12.080 A little more, Cooper, a little more.

01:28:13.460 Yeah, yeah.

01:28:18.360 I think it's working.

01:28:19.420 Hey, it's working.

01:28:21.340 Trying to get the anchor line out of it, Scott.

01:28:24.900 It's pulling the front of the boat out.

01:28:26.280 Is it working?

01:28:28.040 Park me, shall we cut it?

01:28:31.060 Hit that thing, Cooper. 0.99

01:28:32.120 Hit that thing. 1.00

01:28:32.800 No, no, no.

01:28:33.340 Stop, man.

01:28:34.300 Pull, pull. 1.00

01:28:34.720 Hey, stop, Ryan.

01:28:35.740 Stop, stop.

01:28:36.660 Stop.

01:28:37.180 Stop.

01:28:37.640 The bow of the boat is straight up.

01:28:54.060 And now it's flipping backwards.

01:28:55.620 That is like, you're all underwater.

01:29:16.040 Is that, did you, what'd you have to do for that?

01:29:18.260 Because that looks terrifyingly realistic.

01:29:20.980 Well, we all had wonderful stunt doubles.

01:29:25.240 So that, that particular stunt right there of men flying off.

01:29:29.380 Were they Navy SEALs?

01:29:31.280 No, no.

01:29:32.480 I mean, listen, my, my stunt double, Dave Castillo is an incredible human being.

01:29:37.040 He's like a brother from another mother.

01:29:38.520 And he's just an incredible athlete as most stunt men and women are.

01:29:43.140 I mean, they are trained to do these types of things.

01:29:45.760 So that specific stunt was our stunt doubles.

01:29:47.800 But we did a lot of underwater, in water stunts ourselves as the cast.

01:29:53.140 Lots of wave machines, wind machines, rain machines, water cannons, all kinds of stuff.

01:29:57.920 But, but I, but just, just quickly, you know, this was, when I read the script, because this happens, you know, pretty much in the beginning of the movie, this, the anchor getting caught and what leads to, you know, ultimately the demise of three of these gentlemen.

01:30:12.780 And, um, Marquis, a week prior had been on a fishing trip and he got his anchor caught in the same place and he had to cut the anchor and it was a $500 anchor.

01:30:21.900 And he didn't want to cut another anchor.

01:30:26.120 And so that's what ultimately led to this.

01:30:28.460 And it's in fear as, as I'm reading the script, I'm so angry.

01:30:32.040 I'm angry for all of them.

01:30:33.420 I'm angry for their families.

01:30:34.540 I'm angry that this simple little thing could have been the difference between them actually getting home and being alive today.

01:30:41.500 Right. And it's one of the things that making the movie and even afterwards, as I've kind of contemplated it, um, you know, I want, I want audiences to, you know, be moved by this movie, obviously.

01:30:52.820 And I think that they will be.

01:30:53.720 And I think that you can take hope away from this to hold on to hope if nothing else, like hold on to that last shred of hope and believe that there are people out there that are, that are praying and hoping for you as their families were.

01:31:05.220 Um, but also kind of philosophically, one of the things that I hope audiences take from this and certainly what I take from this is cut the anchor, like whatever is in your life, whatever, whatever petty little thing or large thing or whatever it is that is pulling you down, that is weighing you down, that is drowning you.

01:31:23.840 And we all have them. We all have them. And we got to cut these anchors. We, we, we cannot, you know, lose the full, miss the forest for the trees. And, uh, and that's what, this was a kind of a perfect example of that. So anyway, uh, it is, uh, yeah, you're totally right.

01:31:41.720 Well, um, thankfully it, uh, it will end well for you, Zachary Levi, cause this is going to be a big hit. It's called not without hope. Go check it out in your theater this Friday. You might not be able to check out movies and theaters for too long. If this Warner brother deal goes through to Netflix, do you have any thoughts on that? So Netflix struck a deal to buy Warner brothers. Everybody's worried because Warner brothers is one of the few remaining movie studios studios that puts out real movies and real theaters, as opposed to direct to streaming on an app on your home TV.

01:32:11.720 And then at the last minute, you've got Paramount Skydance swooping in saying, we're going to try a hostile takeover where we rest this deal away from Netflix. And we'll let Warner brothers still be Warner brothers, putting real movies out at least 30 per year into theaters. So some of the acting community are more for the hostile takeover bid than the Netflix bid, which has been agreed to, but is now in danger. Do you have any thoughts on it?

01:32:36.040 Oh, I've got so many thoughts about it. Listen, I think that's, I think that we're already in really dire straits, right? We have such a consolidation of power. You know, it used to be 50 different companies that represented the entertainment industry. And now it's basically down to five, six, something like that.

01:32:59.300 And this is why we have antitrust and monopoly laws on the books is to ensure that we don't have such a consolidation down to just a few powerful entities that are controlling everything within any individual industry.

01:33:13.400 I don't love the idea that anybody's going to buy Warner brothers, to be perfectly honest. Warner brothers has been a home for me for many years. I did Chuck there for five years. Shazam, both films, you know, these are Warner brothers, DC films. I love Warner brothers as a studio. I have a lot of friends there, but they've also been going through lots and lots and lots of issues over the last 10 years.

01:33:36.800 First, first with the AT&T deal that was not good for them. Then with the Discovery deal that, you know, ultimately with, with all of these consolidations, lots and lots of people are losing their jobs. More and more, I think great art is not being made.

01:33:51.460 I think with the Netflix deal there. It's particularly troubling because they don't really care about theatrical release. And I think that theatrical release is imperative for us. I think that not just from a financial modeling or, you know, allowing filmmakers and artists to be able to, you know, make a living making movies that go into theaters that people pay ticket, you know, pay for tickets.

01:34:14.360 But when we don't go to theaters, this is something that's, I think, driving us apart. You know, part of the theatrical experience for decades is that you go to a theater and you are surrounded by strangers, people that don't look like you, don't agree with you.

01:34:26.960 It might come from different political or religious backgrounds, whatever it is. But you know that you can go watch the same movie and laugh in the same moments and cry in the same moments.

01:34:36.800 And what that does is it reminds you either consciously or subconsciously that we're not all that different.

01:34:41.720 And so when we don't go to the theater as, as people, and we don't enjoy these things as a collective, we lose even more of that connective tissue.

01:34:50.840 And I know that Netflix is, you know, they, Sir Andos has said as much, he said, you know, I think we can, we can do film windows that, you know, theatrical windows that are like a week or two weeks.

01:35:01.260 And that's just simply not enough time, I think, to give a great film its opportunity in the theater.

01:35:06.700 Some films don't even pick up their inertia until a few weeks in the theaters when word of mouth gets out and people start going to the theater and experiencing that as it was meant to be exhibited.

01:35:17.340 And so I really don't love that. I don't love the consolidation. I don't love that with streaming, by the way, this is another issue that we have and something that I'm actively trying to solve for.

01:35:28.100 We don't own anything anymore. We're all just leasing everything. And I don't think that's right.

01:35:34.220 I don't, I don't love the idea that as an artist, I could go make something and there's no physical copy of it anymore because nobody's making DVDs or anything like that.

01:35:41.780 And so it only lives on a streamer. And then the streamer decides, well, you know, we don't want to put this on the service anymore. And it's gone. It's literally gone.

01:35:48.080 I can't point my friends or family or fans to go watch what I made. It doesn't exist anymore because it's not on the streaming service anymore.

01:35:54.620 And I don't think that's good either. I think we as the audience, we as the people, more and more of us are waking up to the fact that we are just renting everything.

01:36:04.420 It's just subscription after subscription. I mean, by the way, I said this 15 years ago when everyone was cutting the cord on cable.

01:36:10.100 I told all my friends, I said, do you realize what's going to happen? We're going to cut this hundred dollar cord, this bill that's got all these channels and certainly some that we don't care about and we don't watch.

01:36:20.260 And that's, you know, why are we paying for all this? But then what's going to happen is we're going to have 10 subscriptions over a whole bunch of different services and we're going to pay twice as much.

01:36:29.040 And that's exactly what's happened. And now we don't, there is no home video. There's no ownership anymore.

01:36:34.540 We've got to figure out a way to get back to that. And I don't know that any of these things are getting us there. So it's troubling all the way around.

01:36:40.520 I cannot imagine going to see, you know, some of the movies we grew up on, like Indiana Jones, just on the small screen, not, not being able to watch that on the big screen or another one, Schindler's List.

01:36:53.260 Remember? I mean, everybody remembers seeing that movie for the first time. Unfortunately, in my case, I went with my stepsister who had just gotten off her shift as a nurse and went into Schindler's List with a salad from McDonald's in one of those plastic containers.

01:37:08.520 So it's like, every time she opened it, it was so loud. And then the salad eating was loud. I was like, slowly moving my way away from her, like four seats down. Like, oh my God, this is so inappropriate.

01:37:22.460 That's an episode of Seinfeld. I mean, that's basically what you find yourself in.

01:37:26.420 But anyway, the point is like, most of these movies will be way more impactful on the big screen. And yes, there is something to it. You think of like the great horror films that we've all seen, like Friday the 13th, seeing that in the theater with the audience yelling at the same moments,

01:37:42.300 or even you walk out of terms of endearment, everybody's got this tear-stained face.

01:37:46.400 Like, there is a shared community in experiencing it together. So I agree. I mean, I'm not really rooting for the Netflix deal. I have to be honest. They're big enough.

01:37:54.760 And I'm not really a big fan of the people who run Netflix and own Netflix. So we'll see what happens.

01:37:59.480 Okay, let's keep going. Let's talk politics for a minute. RFKJ, your guy, notwithstanding the fact that he's at least one of, if not the most maligned member of the Trump cabinet, he's probably tied with Hegseth, is the most popular.

01:38:13.300 I've been saying this because he proved the most popular in a recent poll. But then we just got another poll, once again, says the same thing. RFKJ, the most popular. So are the people learning to ignore the media?

01:38:25.060 I hope so. I mean, I think that, you know, unfortunately, we've been living in a culture where legacy media has been just an arm of propaganda for far too long, you know.

01:38:38.340 And I think it started, well, I don't know, there's a lot of things that we could pick at and all of that.

01:38:43.700 But obviously, you know, once people figured out that, you know, death and fear and all of that sell, well, then they're just going to push more and more and more of that.

01:38:52.460 And I do think that, unfortunately, we have massive just financial interest in this when legacy media is in large part financed by the pharmaceutical industries.

01:39:06.780 They have a vested interest in making more money, and so they are going to do everything they can to make sure, lean on these news industries to, you know, entities and outlets to malign somebody like Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who I know personally, and he is a wonderful human being.

01:39:27.980 And he's not a perfect human being. None of the people in any of the political spectrum are perfect human beings.

01:39:33.140 So, first of all, we need to let that go, right? We're not trying to vote for or support people because they are perfect.

01:39:40.000 We're trying to understand, are they actually trying to do the work to make this country healthier, better, bring us back into alignment, bring us back into understanding each other?

01:39:52.120 And I believe that Bobby has been doing that from day one.

01:39:56.480 I mean, clearly he's been doing it for a really long time because he was beloved in the Democratic Party.

01:40:00.920 He was beloved by people who are more liberally leaning for a really long time.

01:40:05.960 And then because he wouldn't toe these very ridiculous, you know, woke is used now in so many different ways, but, you know, kind of woke ways, then he couldn't be the Democratic nominee.

01:40:17.720 And therefore, they had to besmirch and smear him every chance they could.

01:40:23.020 But listen, more and more data continues to come out about vaccines, about our food, about agriculture, about pesticides.

01:40:31.220 And I know that he's doing everything that he can, everything within his power to fight for us, for the American people.

01:40:38.040 And I hope that more and more people are willing to just look beyond the propaganda because that's what it is.

01:40:46.300 We have been propagandized on every side, right?

01:40:49.440 I don't think that this is exclusively something that happens in legacy media on the left.

01:40:52.960 I think that there is even legacy media on the right that chooses to use stories or factoids or data points that are, you know, salacious and trying to rile us up.

01:41:06.580 I can tell you this for a fact, having been in right-wing media and left-wing media, they are all slaves to Pfizer.

01:41:12.660 They're all slaves to Pfizer.

01:41:13.840 And once you realize how powerful the drug companies are, it explains a lot of the negativity you hear about Bobby Kennedy.

01:41:19.620 Stand by.

01:41:19.980 I'm going to take a quick break, but pick it up on the back end, Zach.

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01:43:29.120 We're back now with Zachary Levi, star of the movie Not Without Hope, which hits theaters on Friday and is gripping.

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01:43:38.200 So, Zach, we were talking about RFKJ, and one of the things he did this week that he's taking flack for, but not from anyone reasonable, is they're trying to remove hep B from the list of recommended baby, day one baby vaccinations, saying,

01:43:56.300 if you want to get it done, you should, but we're only recommending it for mothers who are hep B positive or for mothers who don't know and might be hep B positive,

01:44:09.580 because it's a sexually transmitted disease or something you get through IV drug use, and most children, most babies do not need any of these vaccines until they become more, you know, into the teenage years and potentially sexually active, or drugs and so on.

01:44:27.880 Anyway, that doesn't happen for a newborn baby in virtually any case.

01:44:31.200 So, what do you make of it?

01:44:34.020 I think it's long overdue.

01:44:35.660 I think that it's really, really tragic what's happened in this world, again, in the medical industry, one that, of all industries, we would imagine or we would assume these people having taken Hippocratic oaths to do no harm, right, under any circumstances,

01:44:56.960 to not deceive that might lead to harm, that money has become, you know, the only objective, it's just make money at any price, whether that's the cost of human life or our own health.

01:45:15.120 The fact that hep B vaccines have been forced on babies day one, freshly out of the womb, when mothers take a test, a blood test, they know if a mother has hep B or not.

01:45:26.540 This was all predicated upon, by the way.

01:45:28.960 There was the study that was done that, you know, advocates for the hep B vaccine point to, and this data that says, well, but, you know, there's this amount of mothers who, even after testing, still contracted hep B,

01:45:44.860 and so, therefore, we just need to cover all of our bases to make sure that babies are given this vaccine.

01:45:48.360 That study was done on prison inmates.

01:45:52.200 That study was done with women who were essentially practicing things that would put themselves in harm's way, that would make them susceptible to getting hep B, even after being tested for hep B.

01:46:04.960 That is where that data came from.

01:46:07.500 That is not the normal.

01:46:08.860 That is not the average.

01:46:10.220 That is taking, that is cherry picking a very small amount of data, then applying it to the general populace, and then saying, well, see, this is what happens.

01:46:17.800 We don't know, so we should probably just give every child a hep B vaccine.

01:46:21.040 It's ludicrous.

01:46:21.820 It is absolutely insane that we're doing this.

01:46:23.520 More than that, Bobby, not too long ago, he did a press conference where he showed the data, data that, by the way, I knew for a really long time, people like me who have cared about this vaccine issue, across all vaccines for a really long time, and understanding that there is a lot of risk that comes with this, and does the value, does the upshot outweigh these risks?

01:46:45.960 Bobby laid out pretty clearly that if you look at the data, we've been told for a long time that vaccines are the main reason why we have essentially eradicated things like polio and measles, mumps, and all of these things that we shoot up our children with to avoid these problems.

01:47:06.460 But the data actually shows very clearly that almost all of these things were essentially already eradicated because of far better sanitation and far better things like antibiotics that were being applied to the general populace.

01:47:21.920 That means all of those sicknesses were already going away before the vaccines were being applied to everyone.

01:47:27.020 And then, of course, in 1986, under Reagan's lead, which is really disappointing, he gave immunity to all of these drug companies who were making vaccines and saying, well, no one can sue you if anything happens.

01:47:41.920 Now, why would they need to have this level of immunity if what they were making was safe and effective?

01:47:47.460 It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

01:47:49.460 No other product in the country has this kind of immunity.

01:47:53.180 And for, again, for why, so that we can go back to data that shows that they weren't even really, again, this is, I believe this wholeheartedly.

01:48:01.100 This is data that Bobby showed very clearly.

01:48:03.540 People still debate it, obviously, because there's a lot of doctors who I think are really well-meaning people, but who have believed this trickle-down of information that comes from vested, greedy interests, people that control the narrative or the people that are making the most amount of money doing this.

01:48:20.560 And I would also argue to say that I think a lot of them are willing to pump children full of a lot of vaccines that might actually be injuring them, knowing full well.

01:48:31.020 By the way, have you seen or have you heard of an Inconvenient Study?

01:48:34.800 Del Bigtree made a documentary.

01:48:38.380 Please go watch that documentary.

01:48:40.520 Mickey Willis, a dear friend of mine, and Del Bigtree and these wonderful people that are a part of Maha.

01:48:45.560 It will blow your mind.

01:48:47.920 An Inconvenient Study, essentially, there was a doctor who did a study of vaccinated children versus unvaccinated children in the thousands, right?

01:48:55.020 So it is a truly, like, it gives you the data points on both sides and what is downstream of being either a vaccinated child or an unvaccinated child.

01:49:06.840 And shocker, the unvaccinated children have extremely low, like, when it comes to asthma, eczema, things like autism.

01:49:16.820 Like, the vaccinated children were the ones who had multiple times more cases of what was going on, and they buried it.

01:49:23.620 Because the guy on Hidden Camera, he says, I can't release this study.

01:49:27.200 I would lose my job.

01:49:28.820 I would lose everything if I brought this out.

01:49:30.480 I would lose my career.

01:49:31.380 I would lose my reputation.

01:49:32.400 And this is the pressure that's coming from on high.

01:49:35.440 And this is what was going on during the pandemic and during COVID.

01:49:38.180 Any scientist or any doctor who dared question the narrative was shut down, was silenced, was censored.

01:49:45.460 Their credentials were stripped from them.

01:49:49.400 Their relationships were ruined because they were questioning what is now becoming very evident that, oh my God, these COVID vaccines actually were incredibly detrimental to us.

01:49:59.040 And they were causing all manner of side effects, including, by the way, there were 10 children who died in Pfizer's own trial, and they hid that information.

01:50:08.020 Moderna.

01:50:08.560 Moderna had a child die and hid the information from the public.

01:50:13.900 And Moderna.

01:50:14.520 And removed them from the trial so that they wouldn't have to report on the evidence of it.

01:50:17.840 It was, it's outrageous.

01:50:19.360 I've told the audience, I reported at the time on the fact that children were dying in the wake of the vaccine, especially thanks to myocarditis and pericarditis.

01:50:26.400 And of course, I got attacked by the leftist, you know, media as a liar.

01:50:31.420 And I said, you don't, don't, do not give your child this vaccine without checking this out, especially if he's a teen and a boy.

01:50:40.300 Girls too, though. 0.99

01:50:41.360 I mean, it's so outrageous how they hid these facts from us.

01:50:44.600 But talking like this is still dangerous if you're in certain industries like yours.

01:50:52.160 You're not allowed to say these truths.

01:50:54.240 And frankly, even mine, even mine.

01:50:56.700 I mean, I'm independent media now, so I can say what I want.

01:50:58.960 And you're independent too, but you do get jobs from Warner Brothers and so on.

01:51:03.040 I heard you tell Fox News recently that you felt like you had been gray listed.

01:51:07.220 So not fully blacklisted where you can't get a job.

01:51:09.780 I assume gray means things slow down.

01:51:12.380 There's more people who are like, it's a no just from hearing your name.

01:51:16.140 But you're still able to get some work.

01:51:18.260 So are you still experiencing that?

01:51:22.120 Yeah, yeah.

01:51:24.620 It's been a really, it's been a really heavy journey.

01:51:29.120 I'm not going to lie.

01:51:31.520 You know, a lot of people, I think that there were journalists, ironically, on the right who

01:51:36.540 wanted, again, to make kind of a salacious story.

01:51:40.640 When I first was being more vocal, they were saying things like, Zachary Levi blacklisted.

01:51:44.860 Well, I never said that.

01:51:45.800 I never said I was blacklisted.

01:51:48.740 Because there are people still, I think, wonderful people who know me, know my heart,

01:51:53.380 know that I genuinely, I care about everybody.

01:51:56.700 I care about people on the left and the right.

01:51:58.340 I want all of us to win.

01:51:59.900 I don't think that we win because, so in order for us to win, other people have to lose.

01:52:05.040 I think we all need to come to what is true and let sunlight be the best disinfectant.

01:52:10.700 Let us get to the heart of all of it.

01:52:12.080 If there are corrupt politicians on the left and the right, and there are, let all of them

01:52:16.120 be taken out.

01:52:17.000 Let us get to what is good and true and bring us back together and stop being, you know,

01:52:22.600 kind of manipulated to fight against one another, which is the greatest distraction, so that

01:52:27.960 we're not holding all of them accountable for their ridiculousness.

01:52:31.040 I mean, insider trading, like things like that.

01:52:32.960 Like, what are we doing?

01:52:33.740 Like, I love Tim Burchard because he's one, like that guy is just going after him.

01:52:37.880 He's like, he is one of the good guys.

01:52:40.480 He doesn't care.

01:52:41.160 And he's one of the good guys.

01:52:42.340 I think Massey is as well.

01:52:44.180 Again, I think there's people on both sides.

01:52:46.080 There's people on the left that I think Fetterman, of all the people on the left, I mean, I think

01:52:50.380 that Fetterman has shown himself to be truly reasonable and honorable.

01:52:55.760 And, but anyway, when it comes to my career, when it comes to, you know, yes, there's been

01:53:01.160 incredible amounts of blowback.

01:53:02.420 Um, I think the hardest thing to be honest is friends of mine that I had for two decades

01:53:08.560 who I would have thought, no matter what, they know my heart.

01:53:12.100 They know that I, I might believe something different than them, but they know my heart.

01:53:17.680 And, and, and, and many did, you know, people checked in with me like, Hey, what are you,

01:53:21.460 you know, what are you doing?

01:53:22.200 And I explained to them, like, listen, guys, to me, they're like, all of these issues are

01:53:26.320 important, but there are certain issues that are like, like, you know, triage.

01:53:30.900 We have to treat these things in some kind of order of priority.

01:53:34.460 And when it comes to the health of every single person in this country, especially our children,

01:53:39.340 we need to get to the root of the poisoning.

01:53:41.400 We have got to get to the bottom of that.

01:53:42.880 And also, you know, having secure borders and also staying out of foreign wars, like

01:53:47.320 things that Trump was willing to go and fight for.

01:53:51.740 And, you know, so I have all my issues, whatever with, you know, his crumpiness, like I've made

01:53:56.100 that very clear, but he, uh, we only had two options.

01:53:59.240 That's how we had to go.

01:54:00.500 That's what I felt like we had to go and do.

01:54:02.260 And some people understood that.

01:54:03.660 And a lot of people just simply did not.

01:54:05.080 And they have ghosted me.

01:54:06.880 They have, they, you know, I, they, they are not my friends anymore and it has broken my

01:54:10.980 heart, but I still love them.

01:54:12.140 I still pray for them.

01:54:13.120 Um, when it comes to the work situation, there are still wonderful people who still see the

01:54:18.200 value in me as an actor and as a man.

01:54:20.140 And, uh, you know, and, and not, they're not all conservative either.

01:54:23.220 There are people that are more liberally minded that still, they don't hate me because

01:54:27.320 they, because I differ in my opinions with them, or I had the audacity to not toe that

01:54:32.700 line and think that Kamala was somehow God's gift to politics because she isn't because 1.00

01:54:37.100 she wasn't, um, you know, and I, and I don't think Donald Trump is either.

01:54:41.380 I don't think he's some paragon of morality, but he was of the two options.

01:54:45.940 And this is constantly the problem.

01:54:47.300 We're only given two options.

01:54:48.660 To me, Bobby Kennedy would have been the absolute best, but the democratic party made that impossible

01:54:53.960 for him and therefore it made it impossible for us as a nation to be able to vote for

01:54:57.260 him.

01:54:57.820 So this is where we ended.

01:54:59.580 This is where we're at.

01:55:00.500 And, um, I'm grateful that I'm still working.

01:55:02.700 I'm grateful that despite, you know, my, my coming out of the, you know, political closet

01:55:09.200 and opening my big mouth, um, there are still people that believe in me and support me.

01:55:13.760 And I'm very grateful for that.

01:55:15.140 Um, but it's been, it's been really difficult.

01:55:19.200 I'm not going to lie.

01:55:20.060 You know, one positive potential thing of this merger that we discussed a minute ago

01:55:25.480 is the Paramount Skydance folks are somewhat close to Trump.

01:55:31.120 They seem a little bit more fair and balanced in their approach to politics.

01:55:34.660 One of the purchasers, uh, financing that deal would be Jared Kushner.

01:55:38.220 So I do wonder if they get, if they get Warner brothers, whether that's more optimistic, that's

01:55:44.640 more hopeful for people.

01:55:46.040 I know you're not a conservative, but for people who are just not rabid leftists who want to

01:55:51.420 work in Hollywood, maybe Warner brothers could be the studio that's still at least says we'll

01:55:56.520 employ you no matter what your politics.

01:55:58.960 We really just care about whether you can act, you know, like it used to be, or like at least

01:56:03.840 it should be, um, I hope that happens.

01:56:06.340 And I love watching you on, on screen, Zach.

01:56:08.980 Good luck with it.

01:56:10.040 Thanks for being here.

01:56:11.300 Everybody should go see Not Without Hope.

01:56:13.180 See it in the theater.

01:56:14.200 Get your popcorn, get your snow caps.

01:56:17.140 It's probably my, my candy of choice.

01:56:20.240 Snow caps.

01:56:20.920 Interesting.

01:56:22.320 Old school.

01:56:23.100 Like you need chocolate with the popcorn.

01:56:25.480 What would you go for?

01:56:26.460 Uh, listen, I think that's a, that's a, that's a fair mix.

01:56:30.540 Uh, I would do some popcorn and some raisinets actually, or some, or some goobers. 1.00

01:56:36.080 I think, you know, you want the sweet and the savory.

01:56:38.920 I mean, that's a good mix, but sometimes I just go popcorn and like a big soda that gives

01:56:42.940 me my sweet and savory.

01:56:43.960 I'm good with that.

01:56:44.740 Yep.

01:56:45.280 Either way, you're going to love the movie, Not Without Hope.

01:56:48.000 Uh, but yeah, go for it.

01:56:49.420 Treat yourself.

01:56:49.820 That's the, the joy of the movie theater experience.

01:56:52.780 Zach, all the best.

01:56:53.480 Thanks for being here.

01:56:54.820 Thanks, Megan.

01:56:55.320 Great seeing you as always.

01:56:56.200 Have a great day.

01:56:56.860 You too.

01:56:57.480 All right.

01:56:57.720 And we are back tomorrow with Andrew Klavan and with Andrew Klavan, I'm going to break

01:57:03.080 a little news with you guys about the Golden Globes and us.

01:57:10.000 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show.

01:57:11.940 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - December 09, 2025

Kamala Celebrates Herself, 1⧸6 Pipe Bomber Details, and Future of Film Industry, with Stu Burguiere and Zachary Levi ｜ Ep. 1209

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