The Megyn Kelly Show - Kamala Harris' Empty Vessel Campaign, and Trump Makes Up With Kemp, with Charles C.W. Cooke and Rich Lowry

00:00:00.540 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.880 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. The conventions are now

00:00:16.480 officially over. Thank God. Aren't you relieved? I stayed up so late every day this week watching

00:00:22.320 this terrible, terrible production. I was bored. I was tired. I was uninspired, but I had to be

00:00:29.620 there because there was a lot of fact checking to do. There were a lot of lies spewn and we needed

00:00:35.620 to discuss it, but I'm so glad that this is over. So glad. And now we begin the sprint to election

00:00:42.040 day. Vice President Kamala Harris delivered her big speech last night. You know, I thought it was

00:00:48.700 the best she could do. She did literally the best she's capable of doing. And there's a reason for

00:00:54.180 that. We'll tell you what Mark Halperin is reporting. Some in the press even thought it

00:01:00.600 was magical. It was magical in that it was make-believe. I mean, this is not the real person.

00:01:06.340 We know who the real person is. We've been watching her for years now. There was no hint

00:01:11.520 of who she actually is last night, but she delivered a nice speech that obviously somebody

00:01:15.360 else wrote for her. And that's one of my other questions. Who wrote it? Because it certainly

00:01:19.120 seems like team Obama is officially on board. And all of that same team is all over the media

00:01:24.820 praising her to high heaven without disclosing that they may be helping her behind the scenes,

00:01:30.480 which is unethical. I'd love to know what about David Axelrod and the pod save America guys?

00:01:36.980 Are you actually writing her speeches and advising her and then going on air and talking about how

00:01:42.960 amazingly she performed? Because that's not okay. John Meacham. Remember him out there? Oh,

00:01:50.760 Joe Biden. Amazing. And it turns out he had written the speech and he was praising it on MSNBC. Anyway,

00:01:56.920 there's a lot of stuff happening around this woman's makeover. It's an extreme makeover.

00:02:04.220 And we may never get the answers. It's basically just suppositions and suspicions at this point.

00:02:10.380 Her speech was short on policy for the American voters, all the soaring rhetoric. She's going to

00:02:15.660 unite us. Okay, sure. We're not united. We're not going to be united. Her boss said that too.

00:02:22.920 And then within a year or two, we got dark Brandon. It wound up being one of the shortest

00:02:27.780 acceptance speeches in history, which we were grateful for. Let's be honest so late. Thank God

00:02:33.900 for those counting. It's now been 33 days since Ms. Harris took the baton, received the torch from

00:02:40.200 President Biden. And we still have not seen one interview and no news conferences. She took a

00:02:48.660 couple of questions at the back of the plane one day, which were absolutely non-substantive.

00:02:55.260 And yet when the VP passed by the media, this is their big chance. NBC News was back there

00:03:00.420 last night after her speech. It's Kamala. It's Tim Walls. This is it. This is great.

00:03:06.960 This is your chance as a reporter to freaking ask a real question. This is what happened.

00:03:14.120 Madam Vice President. How do you feel tonight? I feel good. Now on to tomorrow.

00:03:23.160 Good to see you last night. Yeah. Congratulations to you. Good to see you.

00:03:26.780 How's your day? Governor Walls, Mrs. Walls, congratulations. Thank you.

00:03:30.520 It felt good. It felt good. I mean, listen, we've got 75 days to go. So maybe for better and for worse,

00:03:37.120 that's the way I am. Like, that was good. Now we gotta move on.

00:03:40.580 Good to do. Enjoy one night. Nice to see you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations.

00:03:44.040 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Nice to see you.

00:03:46.900 Good to see you. Thank you, President.

00:03:48.840 Governor Walls, congratulations, sir.

00:03:51.300 Ah, that's NBC's Kelly O'Donnell, also known as the outgoing president of the White House

00:03:59.020 Correspondents Association. You know, the people who are supposed to hold this administration to

00:04:03.560 account, the same people who weren't interested in the fact that a Parkinson's doctor had visited

00:04:09.920 the White House repeatedly when Joe Biden, well, oh wait, he's still in office, when he was in

00:04:14.840 office and they still loved him. That White House Correspondents Association, the other person with

00:04:19.820 her yelling congratulations, that's Peter Alexander, NBC News White House correspondent. You have one job,

00:04:26.680 one job, and it is to cover the White House and now this presidential race, all those who want to be

00:04:34.240 in the White House, and you failed. You had this big, they tweeted that out. It's not like somebody

00:04:40.740 caught it on tape and then tweeted it out to embarrass them. They tweeted it out. They're proud of this.

00:04:47.040 Joining me now, two of our favorites, Rich Lowry, he's editor-in-chief of National Review,

00:04:51.360 and Charles C.W. Cook, senior writer at National Review and host of the Charles C.W. Cook podcast

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00:05:34.700 Guys, happy Friday. Great to see you.

00:05:36.400 Hey, maybe we should have Charlie start reading those articles really slowly,

00:05:39.600 Megan, so you have to listen to them at times two speed.

00:05:43.060 Like your moink ads sharply loves moink. Okay, guys, can you believe that? Like, it's one thing

00:05:52.520 to say, congratulations. And then, Madam Vice President, you know, you said the following.

00:05:59.820 Trump's already saying that's not true. Whatever. You always have a substantive question up your sleeve

00:06:05.140 in case you get access. But it was just like we saw all week with her, uh, congratulatory pat on the

00:06:13.320 back. Let's enjoy the coronation, Rich. Yeah. I mean, the press corps has changed. I don't know

00:06:19.320 whether you remember Jack Germond. He used to be on the McLaughlin group, I think is with the Baltimore

00:06:24.020 Sun, but he was this overweight, balding, rumpled guy who wrote numerous campaign books. I just can't

00:06:30.280 imagine him ever congratulating anyone for anything, right? He just wasn't on board. He was

00:06:35.300 hard bitten and skeptical, uh, if not cynical about everyone. And we have a press corps that's

00:06:40.760 totally different now. It's more quote unquote professional, although their work isn't as good

00:06:45.820 and fair anymore. And they've been totally on board. And we, we talked about this, I think right

00:06:51.500 around the time that the transition was happening to Kamala, how, how just in the tank the press would

00:06:57.060 be, but it's, it's shocked me even knowing what it would be or thinking I knew what it'd be like

00:07:02.440 going in. It's, it's even been worse than I could have imagined and have, you know, one of the few

00:07:08.180 opportunities ever presented to ask an unscripted question and say, how do you feel? And congratulations

00:07:13.220 is just, it's just typical. It's the, the, the reaction to what we saw as a fairly anodyne speech,

00:07:22.460 Charlie. I mean, she really said almost nothing. Um, she delivered it well, especially for Kamala

00:07:28.500 Harris, who we know how she actually speaks was sickening. I mean, the, the it's beyond spin. It's

00:07:36.940 just, it's almost gaslighting. I'll just give you, I'm going to give you three examples here. I'll play

00:07:41.360 you a triple soundbite, Rachel Maddow, Jake Tapper, and Jen Psaki. Listen to this reaction.

00:07:46.780 All right. You will remember where you were, um, when you heard this speech tonight from the vice

00:07:51.440 president of the United States, you're going to remember where you were on this night. No,

00:07:55.080 this is an inflection point in history. It was a remarkable address. One that I've never seen

00:08:01.840 her give quite like this before a very, very powerful speech. You got to go back. I think

00:08:08.360 to Barack Obama in 2008 for a democratic speech like this, perhaps even a speech like this at all

00:08:15.080 is this magical, charismatic quality in person. So do a lot of politicians. People say that about

00:08:20.760 Hillary Clinton, also true. The public has to see it in order to get you elected. And tonight,

00:08:26.260 and over the last couple of weeks, she showed the public. You said, well, these are the text

00:08:29.640 messages that I'm getting. What did you mean? Well, I mean, by that is she just, that was fierce

00:08:34.080 and fearless how she just delivered that. That's who she has been. Charlie, I, I, I'm sure you're in

00:08:40.920 the middle of writing your national review column with those same words, fierce, fearless,

00:08:44.520 magical charisma. Is that how you experienced it? Well, actually, I managed to get a really quick

00:08:49.760 tattoo of her face on my arm this morning. I was so moved. Uh, it was fine. It was fine.

00:09:00.000 And she read from a teleprompter. She was better than she has been. She also said nothing. I think

00:09:08.060 this is one thing those people are missing is that the reason that it went okay was that she said

00:09:14.240 nothing. You know, they had focus groups who also said it was fine. I think I saw CNNs went out to a B

00:09:21.680 plus. And the reason for that is that when you deliver adequately a speech that is reasonably well

00:09:32.900 written with lights on you and people waving flags and say absolutely nothing that could challenge or

00:09:40.940 upset anyone, they will give you reasonable marks for it. But that reaction that you just played is

00:09:48.860 absolutely preposterous. And it was, it was fine. As I said, there was a piece in the Daily Beast

00:09:54.600 this morning by David Rothkopf that I think people should look up and read. You've got to read all 16

00:09:58.900 paragraphs of it that honestly reads as if we've just won a world war that we've been in for eight

00:10:04.600 years. It is the most ridiculous, hyperbolic, hysterical thing I've ever seen. But I assume most

00:10:12.600 of it was written before the speech was given. Because Harris is a, is a creation of the press.

00:10:19.680 She's an avatar. Her campaign does not exist at the moment. And the response was like the speech

00:10:28.280 itself completely fabricated. Yeah. Is that the, you said Daily Beast? Cause there's, um,

00:10:33.960 their headline is Kamala Harris nailed the greatest speech of her life. And to that, I thought, yes,

00:10:41.300 well that that's true. But I mean, like look at all the others, but what's it, what's so galling about

00:10:46.940 it, Rich is we're not, you know, Tappers, CNN, Maddow's MSNBC. We showed you the NBC reporters.

00:10:54.440 Here's John Carl at ABC. This is all the mainstream. This is who reports on and controls

00:11:00.560 the messaging in news. Listen to Jonathan Carl.

00:11:04.180 He gave a speech, George, that if you take out that section on abortion rights,

00:11:09.640 much of this speech could have been delivered at a Republican convention, a Republican convention

00:11:14.440 before Trump. This is a Kamala Harris that sounded a little bit more like Maggie Thatcher or,

00:11:21.720 or Ronald Reagan. I'm friends with John Carl and I generally admire his work, but that's,

00:11:29.560 that's overly enthusiastic. And it's, it goes to the falsity of it, right? When did she,

00:11:35.160 even if it's true, and I don't think it's true if you read it line by line, when did she become a

00:11:38.900 Republican, right? And shouldn't we want to know how this happened? What's this massive change that

00:11:44.260 she's undergone in her thinking? But there had, there is no thinking. She, she is reading a campaign

00:11:50.800 from a teleprompter. That's what her campaign is. She does it competently. I thought the speech

00:11:55.700 was fine. It was the best speech she's ever getting given, but that's obviously an extremely

00:12:00.240 low bar. And it wasn't even the best speech at the convention, which might've been Michelle Obama,

00:12:04.920 right? That line that Michelle Obama had about, uh, who's going to tell Trump, you know, that maybe

00:12:09.380 the presidency is one of those black jobs he talks about. I don't know whether she came up with that

00:12:13.040 on her own, but it was a great line and she owned the line and she's a natural at this in a way Kamala

00:12:20.060 isn't. She's a manufactured, uh, production. She's more of a complete cipher than we've ever had

00:12:28.060 in recent presidential politics. This amazing event happens where the presidential nominations

00:12:33.980 handed to her. We don't hear anything about it in her own words, how she felt, what was her role in

00:12:39.020 the transition. She picks a vice presidential candidate, no sit down interview the way you'd

00:12:42.860 always have with a V pick and no interviews or major press availabilities, um, before or during

00:12:49.560 her convention. And it's obviously because they switched out a candidate they didn't trust in

00:12:53.700 spontaneous settings and replaced him with another candidate who's younger and better at the

00:12:59.080 teleprompter, but that they also don't trust in spontaneous settings. Uh, Ben Shapiro has taken

00:13:05.380 to calling her scamala. She he's not wrong. This whole thing. That's, that was my biggest takeaway

00:13:11.860 last night was it was irritating because she did well in reading her speech that obviously had been

00:13:19.040 written for her. She did well in delivering it. And, and she is an empty vessel. She remains an empty

00:13:25.400 vessel. We don't know what we're electing. We have clues that suggest she is nothing like the moderate.

00:13:32.000 Her speech writer wants us to believe she is, but they are perfectly happy. They, the Democrats and

00:13:38.200 the media that's covering for them to, to keep it a mystery, Charles, because they understand the truth

00:13:44.740 will not inure to her benefit. And their main takeaway is that Trump is just so such a special

00:13:51.780 evil. He must be stopped. And we don't really care what's in the bill. We'll have to pass it before

00:13:57.000 we can read it. Yeah. And it's a huge problem for them in the long run, because even if it works,

00:14:05.480 people will eventually notice. I mean, Harris has not actually advanced a single argument.

00:14:11.580 She's made the case that she should be president quite wise. She hasn't explained,

00:14:17.460 but she hasn't made an argument for a set of policies in which she believes or that her party

00:14:25.840 is superior. And so if she does become president, I think a lot of people are going to be very quickly

00:14:32.980 shocked. And the only concession to policy in which she is thus far indulged was to talk about price

00:14:43.100 controls and subsidies for housing demand, which was savaged, savaged in the Washington Post,

00:14:49.140 savaged at CNN, savaged by every major economist. And the best Jason Furman, who was Obama's favorite

00:14:55.860 economist could say was, well, it probably won't happen, which is not a ringing endorsement. And so

00:15:00.720 she stopped that quite quickly. This is an empty campaign. She is a shell. And as I said earlier,

00:15:11.180 you have intimated with the clips that you've played, she has largely left the details of who

00:15:17.220 she is, what she stands for, and what she would represent to the press. And it reminds me of this

00:15:22.100 old Ricky Gervais joke, where he's talking about God creating the earth. And he says, and he created

00:15:27.120 the lands and the seas, and he creates the animals. And then he says, and it was good. And Gervais says,

00:15:32.200 wasn't that great? You get to review your own work. You get to do all the work. And then you're the guy

00:15:36.760 who gets to do the definitive review of your work. This is how I feel about the press. They've

00:15:41.980 created this completely false person. And they've managed to promulgate this abroad the land,

00:15:48.060 so that everyone has this, this insincere conception of Kamala Harris. And then they report on that.

00:15:55.800 They say, wow, look, she's doing okay in the polls, or people think that she's the future or people think

00:16:02.080 that she's full of joy. Well, yeah, because you just told them assiduously who she is. You did the

00:16:10.060 work and now you're doing the review. There's a couple of things on that. So I mentioned at the

00:16:15.620 top of the show, our friends over at Commentary, Matt Continetti goes on that podcast. And he was

00:16:22.760 suggesting today that if you read her speech, it matches up perfectly with everything David Axelrod

00:16:27.620 has been saying for a year about how Biden needed to change his messaging, that the safe democracy

00:16:34.080 stuff wasn't working. And that what he really needed to do was change the messaging in a way

00:16:40.540 that matches up perfectly with everything Kamala Harris said. So that's Axelrod. Then today, look at,

00:16:45.040 there's Jon Favreau. He's part of Pod Save America. Kamala Harris absolutely crushed this

00:16:49.040 presidential as any convention speech I've ever heard. Ben Rhodes, former deputy national security

00:16:53.580 advisor under Obama. Kamala just did some real work on foreign policy, combating autocracy,

00:16:58.880 supporting allies, standing up to Putin, speaking to the suffering of Palestinians in a way that we

00:17:02.800 rarely hear. This is someone ready to be president right now. My thought is that if any or all of these

00:17:12.960 guys, Rich, is actually advising her on how to craft her speech, her policy, or otherwise behind the

00:17:20.140 scene, then this is absolutely grossly disgusting and irresponsible. That that needs to be disclosed.

00:17:25.980 You can help her. Axelrod can help her. Favreau, they can all help her, not without disclosing it,

00:17:31.820 and not without then going out and commenting on the very things that you may or may not,

00:17:36.880 but may have been advising her on.

00:17:39.640 I believe isn't Axelrod's former political consultancy working for her now? And certainly

00:17:45.320 Axelrod. David Plouffe is. Yeah. So, I mean, it's all the kind of former Obama

00:17:52.700 brew. And Axelrod, to his credit, has been right about most things. I mean, he was early on saying

00:17:58.700 this age thing is a problem for Joe Biden, early on saying we got to dump him. And he's right about

00:18:05.220 the democracy message. There was some of it at the convention. We saw another video of a montage of

00:18:12.340 the shocking images from January 6th. He had Jamie Raskin and others making a January 6th type case.

00:18:17.640 But I don't think Barack Obama, if I'm not mistaken, I don't think he mentioned it once. And

00:18:21.500 Kamala did mention it, but it wasn't the main focus. And I think they're right to make a case

00:18:26.500 against Trump that's more of the kind of argument you make against a conventional Republican. He wants

00:18:31.900 to cut taxes for the rich. He's out of touch. He's all about the billionaires. He wants to cut

00:18:37.500 Social Security and Medicare, which he doesn't. And he wants to ban abortion. And he's very familiar

00:18:42.760 and divisive. And it's time to move on. That is a much more sensible case than what they were trying

00:18:48.580 to do and what the Biden campaign was trying to do. True. I mean, and no one would dispute that

00:18:53.640 that's a better message. But my only suggestion, or not suggestion, what I'm saying explicitly is

00:18:58.920 if Axelrod actually is advising this campaign in any way and then goes on CNN as a supposedly

00:19:05.260 clear-minded, objective analyst, understanding he has Democrat leanings and has helped Obama,

00:19:12.700 that's dishonest. That is unethical. It's unethical by CNN. This is what John Meacham got in trouble

00:19:17.760 for over at MSNBC, where he had written the Joe Biden speech. I can't remember which one. It might

00:19:23.240 have been the State of the Union. Remember this? Or maybe the Jim Crow. It was soaring. It was

00:19:27.780 amazing. Oh, really? You really love your own pen? Yeah, it also could have been the Jim Crow 2.0

00:19:33.640 speech. I forget. But all these, Charlie mentioned this on the editors recorded a while ago. All these

00:19:42.180 same people, these historians, John Meacham and others, Doris Kearns Goodwin, who advised Biden and

00:19:48.140 tried to convince him he was the next FDR, are going to be there, right? In January, if she wins,

00:19:53.820 saying the same things, whispering the same things in her ear. So no matter what she's running as now,

00:19:59.880 she will attempt to be a transformational left-wing president. LBJ and FDR all wrapped

00:20:06.560 into one as soon as she assumes office. Here's another one for you. Jonathan Chait,

00:20:12.540 New York Magazine, best acceptance speech I've ever seen. Goes on to say, it was perfect. Absolutely

00:20:21.140 perfect. Um, okay. That's not, that's not what I saw, but I did see somebody who was a good reader

00:20:28.220 and managed not to do the weird cackle. There's somebody who was asking about this the other day

00:20:34.000 online about, you know, the joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy. I mean, it's everywhere. It's so annoying.

00:20:38.560 Matt Taibbi has been going off on this. It's really irritating him. Um, it's obviously all a campaign

00:20:44.640 to excuse away her bizarre cackle and the inopportune, inappropriate times she uses it.

00:20:50.980 Charles, to me, this, this whole thing has been actually a very smart and effective

00:20:55.860 rebranding effort. Trump's big, you know, his greatest gift is marketing and the Democrats

00:21:02.820 appears to be branding, which is slightly different, but related thing. They took one of her biggest

00:21:07.840 weaknesses, this weird off-putting, strange cackle and they rebranded it. Joyful. She's joyful. The

00:21:15.500 Republicans are dour. That was in her speech last night talking about how they're so down their

00:21:20.280 messaging. So down, she's happy. You see, she's not depressing. She's a cackler that that shows how

00:21:26.780 joyful she is. And we're supposed to accept this as a policy prescription for our inflationary and

00:21:33.720 border problems. It's risky though. It is working at the moment, but it is risky. I think there is a

00:21:41.960 very thin line between turning somebody's liabilities into a meme and making them cool by some strange

00:21:52.240 process of alchemy and that person becoming a joke as a result. I mean, a lot of the memes about Kamala

00:22:01.320 Harris, if the circumstances change are going to look like criticisms, the coconuts and the

00:22:08.520 rebranding of the laugh, the palm trees and so on, because she hasn't fundamentally changed. I mean,

00:22:18.040 it's funny, you played that clip, the first one you played of the journalists being obsequious

00:22:23.020 when around her, she cackled. She said two words, and then she cackled. So she can hide it on a stage,

00:22:32.960 but she can't hide it forever because that's who she is. And I do think, although I think she has a

00:22:40.180 real good chance of winning in November, I do think that the time for a completely substanceless,

00:22:48.480 media-driven, vacuous campaign is coming to an end. I actually don't think that the public is

00:22:55.200 shallow enough to let this continue unchallenged for another 70 days. Maybe something can replace

00:23:02.580 it and it will infuriate us just as much. But there's going to come a point, especially when

00:23:07.380 Americans tune in, which they tend not to really until the election gets closer, when they say,

00:23:12.740 okay, but what else is there? Who is this person? What has she done? What does she think? What has she

00:23:16.560 said? I think they believe that they can get away with this indefinitely. I don't think that they can

00:23:23.380 because I don't think you can indefinitely make her appealing. So there's going to have to be

00:23:29.320 something else as interference. Well, you know, you, you raise an interesting point, how she,

00:23:34.220 the cackle came out after two seconds in that exchange. So we've now learned from the reporting

00:23:40.620 that she was very brushed back on her heels after her interview with Lester Holt, where, I mean,

00:23:48.320 truly one of the nicest guys in journalism. Um, and he said to her, you haven't been to the border.

00:23:54.360 And she says, she's the borders are. And she's like, and I haven't been to Europe. Right. And

00:23:59.780 everyone saw what a faux pas it was and how dumb she looked. And the reports are that she was actually

00:24:06.700 very rattled by her own performance and went underground for a while. Like we started hiding

00:24:12.800 from the press and started Googling what Fox news was saying about her. It's the same person rich

00:24:18.740 who last night got up there. And in one of the few references to her father, where's her father,

00:24:25.920 by the way, where is her father? Her father is alive, but was not there. And apparently does not

00:24:34.120 have a relationship with her. We looked for any sort of public comment. It's been years

00:24:37.800 since he said anything about her. I have no idea what the story is. The guy was absolutely a Marxist.

00:24:43.980 He met the wife at a civil rights event. She appears to have been very Mark C too. And that's

00:24:52.320 their daughter. I really don't know what happened to Donald Harris. Anyway, she said in one of the few

00:24:58.440 lines about him that the mother, when they went to the playground would say, stay close. And the

00:25:05.160 father would say, run, Kamala, run. Don't be afraid. Don't let anything stop you. For my earliest

00:25:11.180 years, she told us he taught me to be fearless, but rich she's not. And this reminds me so much of the,

00:25:19.620 you know how it is when you're at a cocktail party and somebody's like, oh, well, I'm the kind of person

00:25:25.940 who, and then whatever comes next is a, is a lie about themselves, right? It's what they wish they

00:25:31.960 were. Cause nobody talks about themselves that way. The seven foot center doesn't tell you how tall he

00:25:35.920 is. So the fact that she's telling us, I was taught to be fearless. The same woman who had to rehearse

00:25:41.660 her dinner party conversation with her staff. It's a lie, right? She is scared and that's a danger.

00:25:49.720 You put somebody like that in the position of the presidency.

00:25:52.440 Of course. You don't know who's calling the shots.

00:25:57.120 Yeah. So this is the case that Trump has to make. A lot of Republicans are saying it's all about

00:26:02.160 policy. He's got to talk about policy. Yeah. He should talk about policy, but it all needs to

00:26:05.960 come back to the sense that she's weak, that she's a phony and that she's a mouthpiece for others. So

00:26:12.740 therefore she's not suitable to be president. That's, that's what you're, you're going. That's the

00:26:17.380 clenching argument. Uh, at the end of the day, she's not suitable for this job. The fact that

00:26:22.740 she can't do interviews, uh, the fact that she was too weak to stand up to the left in 2019 and told

00:26:27.720 them everything that they wanted to hear. And I was totally reversed herself and is all on

00:26:31.840 teleprompter. She's too weak. She can't do this job. And, and that's, that's the case that Trump has

00:26:37.840 to make. Now he's going to, he has the media, uh, against him, of course, as all Republicans do,

00:26:42.540 but the, the, the headwinds now are stronger than they've ever been, but he's got to expose her.

00:26:48.820 And I think, you know, eventually she'll do an interview. I mean, she's on the record saying

00:26:51.620 she'll do one by the end of the month. The days are ticking away here, but I think it'll be,

00:26:55.140 you know, she'll sit down with Tim Walts and they'll do an interview with Rachel Maddow nearly

00:26:59.260 weeping with joy during the whole interview. And they can say they, they did it after that. Does,

00:27:03.920 what does she, does she have to do another ones, which really is going to put a huge emphasis

00:27:07.780 on the debate? I think here, Republicans are way overconfident. I mean, she's memorizing note cards

00:27:14.660 as we speak and, and Trump needs to destroy her, but he has to destroy her in a particular way

00:27:19.840 without doing what he did in the first presidential debate in 2020. And that's going to be a much

00:27:24.100 harder task than he had against Joe Biden. Joe Biden, he just had to get out of the way and he

00:27:27.660 got out of the way and Joe Biden fell flat and turned out to be a catastrophic success for Donald

00:27:32.000 Trump. Right. It was, it turns out to have been idiotic for Trump to agree to a debate that early in

00:27:37.200 the cycle. He should have waited until September after the convention or late September. So they

00:27:42.040 couldn't do this, this switcheroo, but now he has a much more difficult political problem to deal

00:27:45.920 with. It's so crazy that that wound up being the most consequential. And as it turns out bad for

00:27:50.980 Trump decision of this, it seemed like such a smart move at the time, right? Like yes, agree to any

00:27:56.300 debate anywhere because we know Trump's going to win. We just didn't expect him to win quite that

00:28:02.240 handily and for it to be such a game changer. I've got to get to this. This is remarkable

00:28:08.580 back to the curated version, to your word, Charles avatar that she is. And that we saw last night,

00:28:16.940 Mark Halperin, uh, who's obviously got very good Democrat sources because he's been breaking the news

00:28:22.460 on the Biden saga before virtually anybody tweeted this out last night. Listen to this. Just asking

00:28:30.780 what high flying democratic rising star, obviously this is about Kamala who is seeking a big promotion

00:28:37.860 on a fast track has upped her speech-making skills with the help of friendly top level Hollywood talent,

00:28:46.280 the volunteer pals of this super active politician, many of whom are extremely creative artists,

00:28:54.500 including at least one Lord have been secretly coaching her ever since her boss stepped aside,

00:29:03.080 offering up do's and don'ts about communicating. The members of this Tinseltown mafia are excited to

00:29:10.100 see a looming high profile demonstration of the fruits of their collaboration hat tip.

00:29:16.280 A little birdie. It's amazing to me. She's at the point where

00:29:21.620 Meryl Streep, I don't know who is sitting her down and gave her pointers. Charles,

00:29:28.500 this is per Halperin of, you know, this is how you hit this line. This is how you crescendo here.

00:29:34.020 Here's where you could use a pause, the absurdity, the fallacy and contrast that with Trump,

00:29:40.240 who I realized went on way too long. I was there. We were all falling asleep,

00:29:43.980 but at least it was him. At least you know what you're actually getting with that guy.

00:29:49.820 This is an art creation. It's an art project that they're doing with her.

00:29:54.580 Yeah. So what bothers me about that is that it's not accompanied by any sort of thought or

00:30:01.740 substance. It is a movie. That's the whole thing. There's a script and lights and there's nothing

00:30:08.680 substantive below it. If the story here were that you had somebody who was a person of substance,

00:30:14.980 who had strong views to which she had held for a long time or had changed with explanation,

00:30:22.240 had made a full account of her having shifted on everything over the last five years.

00:30:28.100 And that person wanted help presenting her notions to the public. It would bother me less.

00:30:34.260 For example, Ronald Reagan, not that he needed too much help, was an actor. It helped that he was an

00:30:38.640 actor. He had a lovely voice. He knew how to deliver a line. He knew how to stand up straight

00:30:42.740 and how to use his charisma. But he also really believed things deeply. He read a great deal. He

00:30:50.660 thought a great deal. He shifted over time from being a New Deal Democrat to being what became a

00:30:56.080 Reagan Republican. He explained those changes. He made speeches when he wasn't running for anything.

00:31:01.480 The time for choosing speech was not in pursuit, at least directly, of his own political career.

00:31:07.340 It was on behalf of Barry Goldwater. That's not a problem.

00:31:11.040 If you have a candidate who is not a great public speaker, isn't eloquent, isn't their format,

00:31:18.180 Thomas Jefferson, not that he lived in our age, but he wasn't a great speaker, for example. One

00:31:22.300 reason he stopped giving the State of the Union, but who had convictions and ideas. Again, if they

00:31:28.600 want help, that's fine. What is so grotesque about this is that it's almost a wag the dog scenario where

00:31:33.880 there's no war. So they're going to the Hollywood mogul, the Dustin Hoffman in the analogy, and they're

00:31:39.880 saying, create this war for me. And suddenly you have a green screen and Kirsten Dunst with the little

00:31:43.940 dog running through and all of the effects showing. But there is no war. The country that's supposed to

00:31:48.480 be at war with doesn't know about it. There's no munitions, there's new soldiers, there's no

00:31:52.580 explosions, there's nothing. And Kamala Harris is nothing. There's nothing underneath it. So she's not

00:31:57.460 going saying, hey, please help me convey what it is that I want to get across because I'm not very

00:32:02.740 good at it. I would understand that. She's saying, help me be something that I'm not and con the

00:32:09.300 electorate into making me President of the United States. And like you, Megan, I'm actually revolted

00:32:15.220 by this. I just don't want this to be our system. Same. I just, I can't believe she's getting away

00:32:22.320 with it and she is getting away with it. But for how long, you know, the, the bloom to me seems to

00:32:28.400 be coming off the rose. We talked yesterday about the betting odds, having fallen 10 points, uh, plus

00:32:34.540 against her while her convention was on. And, and this is why I think rich, they, they released the

00:32:41.200 lie about Beyonce allegedly of showing up at the event last night. They wanted to boost ratings.

00:32:48.960 There'd be, that would be absolutely stupid if to say she's coming when you know, she's not coming.

00:32:56.860 If it didn't have a real purpose, something that helped you, right. That's just, why would you

00:33:00.540 say like, we almost got her and we didn't and just disappoint everybody. Uh, but it does make sense.

00:33:06.260 If your goal is to boost the numbers, because we were looking at the numbers the other day,

00:33:11.420 Trump's convention didn't do as well on, um, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, obviously Kamala had good

00:33:16.880 ratings on Monday. Cause it was Joe Biden. It was our sitting president and everybody wanted to see

00:33:20.640 how he was and what he would say, given the scandal. Right. Um, and then Tuesday and Wednesday,

00:33:27.520 they had big count me out on that one. Yeah. Right. The, the Obama's Oprah, um, Bill Clinton.

00:33:33.960 But I do wonder how the numbers will be for the sort of apples to apples Kamala versus Trump.

00:33:40.260 Right. And, uh, I think the whole Beyonce's coming, she's not coming thing was a, it was an,

00:33:46.620 it was a ruse to boost the rate. That's interesting. Cause she's going to perform at the end and you

00:33:51.520 have to watch the end. That's interesting. I hadn't, I hadn't thought of that, but you know,

00:33:54.860 it's the kind of contrivance. I don't know whether that's true or not, but it's kind of contrivance

00:33:58.020 she needs to, to boost her. I mean, if you look at Obama and Trump, now these are two extraordinary

00:34:02.960 political talents in their own ways and great performers, but they created movements, right. And hard fought

00:34:08.460 primary battles that they slogged out in one, they created new modes of, of doing politics. They,

00:34:15.340 they created signature issues and catchphrases, you know, whether it's the audacity of hope or

00:34:20.360 build the wall that they came up with on their own. And there's just none of that with her and even

00:34:25.040 less, less talented political figures, you know, Bob Dole, he got the nomination cause he was a,

00:34:29.700 you know, party stalwart for 30 or 40 years. That's, that's not her. John McCain got the nomination

00:34:34.600 cause he was a maverick and finally won his party over to his side, at least temporarily. She,

00:34:39.380 she's not like that. Bill Clinton, you know, governor of small rural state who's dismissed

00:34:45.020 cause he had a very bad convention speech in 1988 and then just rises to the top out of sheer

00:34:50.660 talent and verbal acuity and shamelessness and an ability to do personal policy. That's not her,

00:34:57.060 right. It's just none of these things. She's, she's like where she's originally from Oakland. Like

00:35:01.400 there's no, they're there. So they have to manufacture it. And you know, there's 75 days

00:35:06.840 or less left. That's, that's still a lot of time, but it's not a whole campaign. If she had had a run

00:35:11.980 at a primary, I don't believe she should have won, would have won. And then also all these weaknesses

00:35:16.500 would have been exposed and litigated because it wouldn't be, you know, you saying it or Donald

00:35:21.740 Trump saying it would have been Pete Buttigieg saying it if you had run against her. Right. So the

00:35:25.120 media, they like Pete, right. So they, so they would have reported it. They would have at least

00:35:28.860 reported the dispute and none of that has happened. She's just, uh, you know, she's like

00:35:32.960 Athena from the head of, uh, merging from the head of Zeus, you know, just this Insta nominee

00:35:38.300 with this Insta supposedly, uh, movement and this Insta joy. What did you call her on National

00:35:44.100 Review? Um, Rich, was it a thin wafer? Yeah. Wafer thin. She's a wafer thin, thin candidates.

00:35:50.600 She's, I mean, normally most women aspire to that, but not in the way you're using it here.

00:35:54.740 Um, so just a note on the Beyonce nonsense, they said that there was a, uh, there's a hole

00:36:01.280 in the schedule. It's going to be Beyonce. She's going to come. And, um, Katie Fang over

00:36:06.640 at MSNBC absolutely humiliated herself with these moment to moment updates on like she's,

00:36:13.980 she's been spotted, you know, we've seen her. Um, let me see. Oh yeah. I don't have the actual

00:36:20.080 ones in front of me because she just deleted them. She's now deleted her tweets out of

00:36:24.400 humiliation, but they continue to update. Okay. Here we have it in our screen grabs.

00:36:30.060 It was like, she's coming here. She's hearing, she's coming, hearing the special guest is

00:36:33.700 Beyonce. And then well after the point that, um, who was it that broke the Hollywood reporter

00:36:39.700 had an exclusive. She's not coming. We reached out to her reps. They said, she's not coming.

00:36:45.080 She's never been coming. There was never a schedule for her to come or an agreement for her to come.

00:36:49.280 Just stop. After that, Katie Fang tweets out, I'm hearing that Beyonce has arrived. She's here.

00:36:59.680 All I could think was first of all, Steve Krakauer, our executive producer, who's a very

00:37:06.100 measured guy. He just forwarded it to us with, with the word Katie. All I could think is like the

00:37:14.280 girl at the high school prom, like he's still coming. He'll be here. I see a headlight. No,

00:37:20.620 she's not coming. And they were so, you know, they needed to believe, and they certainly needed to

00:37:26.660 believe that it hadn't been a ruse. And now after the fact, they're trying to tell us that this big

00:37:30.080 surprise guest was a videotaped piece videotaped. I say from Steph Curry, the basketball player saying,

00:37:40.040 I'm for Kamala like that, that what it's just, we're lied to around every turn. They're were

00:37:45.820 manipulated at every turn in everything they do. Uh, let's get to some of the substance or lack

00:37:51.760 thereof, because I do think some of these things are pretty interesting. Charles, she went out and

00:37:56.900 said, um, okay, a couple, a couple of things. Let me get to this. You can always trust me to put

00:38:03.460 country above party and self to hold sacred America's fundamental principles from the rule

00:38:10.620 of law to free and fair elections to the peaceful transfer of power. Now we're going to talk about

00:38:17.940 free and fair elections and what Jill Stein and RFKJ and his running mate, whether you like them and

00:38:24.640 want to vote for them or not, what they're alleging has been done to them by Kamala Harris's Democrat

00:38:29.840 party. It doesn't sound so free and fair, but the rule of law, I mean, you've been tracking this

00:38:37.360 closely over at national review, the Biden Harris administration to say that we should trust them

00:38:43.900 to uphold it is something that could only be believed by people who have not been watching

00:38:49.220 them these past four years. But this is the logical fallacy. I think that many people have

00:38:57.300 indulged in is the idea that because Donald Trump behaved as he did after he lost the election last

00:39:04.360 time around, that it must not be the case that Kamala Harris or the Democratic Party are a threat

00:39:11.660 to our constitutional order. Leaving aside the attempt to knock any candidates who might threaten

00:39:18.980 them off the ballot, which is real, was a problem. The hit on Trump for free and fair elections and

00:39:26.920 peaceful transfer of power is a fair one. And it would be political malpractice for the Democrats

00:39:30.660 not to make it. You won't find me defending Trump on this quite the opposite. I think his behavior was

00:39:36.160 disgraceful. But as I say, that doesn't therefore lead you ipso facto to think that the Democrats are good

00:39:41.960 in other ways, and they're not. And this argument about the rule of law or putting the constitution first

00:39:48.260 that I've heard out of that convention is absolutely emetic. I mean, this is a party

00:39:53.060 that is flirting with court packing to the point at which it is written a law, a flagrantly

00:40:01.140 unconstitutional law that would have the practical effect of stripping the power from three or two,

00:40:07.380 depending on where you draw the line, Supreme Court justices who have been appointed by the Senate.

00:40:15.640 The party is desperate to get rid of the filibuster, which is a very useful tool at the federal level

00:40:23.520 that makes sure we don't have huge swings in federal policy. This is a candidate in particular,

00:40:31.980 Harris, who said of Neil Gorsuch that he was too interested in the law when he was proposed as a

00:40:41.500 nominee by Donald Trump. You know, we do not, as a rule, see the sort of constitutional hostility come

00:40:51.280 from Republicans, Donald Trump accepted, that we see out of the Democrats. You find a portion of our

00:40:59.000 constitutional order, and they want to change it. The Electoral College is another one. You get some

00:41:04.800 who want to get rid of the Senate. So I just find this an annoying mantle for them to have taken up.

00:41:10.740 I do accept that one of the reasons they've been able to do it and not be laughed off the stage is

00:41:14.960 because of Trump's behavior and some of the things that he has said over the years. But again,

00:41:19.980 they really do worry me on this. And for her to pretend that, you know, she is some champion of

00:41:27.180 of the rule of law or our system. It's just gross. Well, I mean, Rich, we've just come through three

00:41:32.820 and a half years of them, of her boss and her administration saying, we're not we're not going

00:41:38.920 to listen to the Supreme Court. We don't care about the adverse rulings we've received when it comes to

00:41:44.200 some of our covid policies, when it comes to the eviction moratorium, when it comes to what was the one

00:41:51.540 more recently. Oh, the student loan forgiveness. Yeah, they've blown off rule after rule law after

00:41:57.560 law. Yeah. And the Biden approach was was basically, I think probably this is going to be struck down by

00:42:04.140 the Supreme Court because there's no authority for me to do it. I'm going to try. You know, we'll see,

00:42:08.920 which is just profoundly against the spirit of how the system is supposed to work is not just the

00:42:13.240 Supreme Court that takes an oath and supposed to defend the Constitution is everyone else as well.

00:42:17.620 And you look at the border three and a half years, you know, the black and white law,

00:42:21.540 says you come into the country illegally shall be detained right until until your your case is

00:42:26.680 adjudicated or you should be expelled. And they've flagrantly defied that thumb their their noses at

00:42:33.660 it. And the the plan to blow up the Supreme Court, obviously a direct threat to a central institution

00:42:39.820 of American government. And Chuck Schumer, this hasn't gotten much attention because so much else has

00:42:43.360 been going on. But the other day basically said that if they get a trifecta in Washington,

00:42:48.360 I think less likely than not, but but certainly possible, they will attempt to blow up the

00:42:55.500 filibuster for purposes of a so-called voting rights law and a pro-abortion law. And if they

00:43:00.580 actually did that and it's basically democratic orthodoxy now, I don't think there'd be anyone

00:43:05.520 like Manchin or Sinema standing in the way. So if they just get 50, 51 votes, they they can do it.

00:43:11.860 You're not just blowing it up for those things, because once you've blown it up for those things,

00:43:15.160 then the case is, well, why don't we blow it up for Medicare for all to do we not care about,

00:43:18.880 you know, providing free health care for everyone? So it'll be gone. And you potentially

00:43:23.580 could see, you know, the court packing scheme passed through that means or who knows, trying

00:43:29.160 to bring in Puerto Rico or Washington, D.C. as states. So it's a theory is serious threat to our

00:43:34.560 system of of government. And she stands there and she's reading the words, but they are meaningless.

00:43:41.560 Yeah. I mean, this is like I think it was Michael Goodwin at The New York Post today who was writing,

00:43:47.560 Charles, that she's she's all into the freedom, right? They're trying to co-opt the word freedom,

00:43:52.380 which is normally a Republican theme at these conventions. And not once does she mention any of

00:43:57.980 the rights listed in the Bill of Rights, like freedom of speech, freedom of assembly,

00:44:03.980 the Second Amendment. You know, they're talking about freedom to have an abortion, freedom,

00:44:10.440 they say, to go to school without having to worry whether you're going to come home. I mean, this is

00:44:15.440 this is a much more complicated problem, right? Like there is a Second Amendment. So anyway,

00:44:20.480 they've co-opted that word without actually abiding by promoting the fundamental principles

00:44:27.060 that really embody that word, that make up that word in our founding documents and at the heart of our

00:44:32.940 country. Yeah, you can thank her fellow Californian Gavin Newsom for this, because he's the guy who

00:44:39.980 came up with this idea when he was feuding with Ron DeSantis. You remember those gauzy videos about

00:44:45.320 California that he put out and said Florida wasn't the free state California was? Now, a lot of this,

00:44:51.160 as you say, is abortion. They're fixated on it. Politically, that does help them. I'm very upset that it does

00:44:58.480 as a pro-lifer. But I'm also obliged to look at the world as it is rather than how I'd like it to be.

00:45:03.580 And they are winning on that. And Americans do seem to think overall that the question of abortion

00:45:08.460 is a question of freedom. I don't. I think it's a question of life. But with that one exception,

00:45:15.860 where they've made headway, all of their definitions of freedom are perverse. There is

00:45:22.340 linguistic games. Josh Shapiro says the freedom to join a union. Not really. Gavin Newsom says the

00:45:32.240 freedom not to be shot. Now, these are public policy questions. Don't get me wrong. I'm not

00:45:37.180 trying to set them off the table. We should have debates over unions and what government involvement

00:45:41.880 we have. We should have within reason, given the Second Amendment debates about regulations on

00:45:47.520 firearms and so forth. But it actually doesn't help when you get into this Orwellian mode of

00:45:52.720 pretending that the limitation on freedom is freedom. The case for more gun control is the case

00:45:59.680 against freedom. The case for unions or regulation of the economy or higher taxes is a case against

00:46:08.480 freedom. Sometimes the case against freedom prevails. We do not have a system of anarchy. We have

00:46:15.360 a general agreement that there are some things in our public life that ought to be limited or regulated

00:46:21.140 or superintended in some way. But you can't really have the argument if the words we use to have those

00:46:27.000 discussions are bastardized in this way. And that's what the Democrats have done throughout this

00:46:31.960 convention. Instead of just standing up and saying what they think, which most of the time, although not

00:46:36.760 always, is we actually think there is too much freedom in this or that realm. They're trying to

00:46:42.880 pretend that they are the side that values freedom when they don't. So it's irritating and it's also

00:46:50.920 dangerous linguistically. And finally, I actually think for them it's a mistake. I said earlier that

00:46:57.140 there are downsides to running without any substance. I think this is one of them. I don't think it helps

00:47:02.380 you in the long run if you make the case in the abstract for freedom, freedom, freedom, freedom,

00:47:07.220 because next time you propose something that is clearly anti-freedom, some of the people who went

00:47:12.080 along with you who were fooled by it, who were lulled into a false sense of security by it will say,

00:47:16.560 well, hold on a moment. I thought you were the freedom person. So, you know, it might help her

00:47:21.660 in the very short term, but in the long run, it's not a great play.

00:47:26.400 Yeah, there was so much of that. It was like, well, where's any mention of the freedoms that we all

00:47:31.020 grew up learning about and understand and hold dear and that have helped us survive some 250 years?

00:47:36.480 There was nothing to that. She talked about in this election, many fundamental freedoms are at

00:47:41.840 stake. The freedom to live safe from gun violence in our schools, communities and places of worship,

00:47:46.540 the freedom to love who you love openly and with pride. It's I mean, hello, like she's speaking to

00:47:54.400 the 1980s, 70s Democrat and Republican parties like who on either side of the aisle right now is trying

00:48:02.300 to stop anybody from loving who they love with pride. It's been a long time since the Republican

00:48:07.780 party has been all about trying to stop gay marriage, for example, which has been recognized

00:48:11.680 by the U.S. Supreme Court as a constitutional right. The freedom to breathe clean air and drink

00:48:17.660 clean water and live free from the pollution that fuels the climate crisis. OK, that all of that is

00:48:23.580 that's her EPA that's trying to write laws without having been elected by anybody. And now the Supreme

00:48:30.160 Court is finally saying, if you want laws on all those things, if you want laws on on the environment,

00:48:34.840 on air, on clean water, you can do that. You just have to go to Article one of the Constitution

00:48:40.220 and ask the Congress to draft it up. And then if you get a president to sign it, you're in business.

00:48:44.740 The whole thing was just so disingenuous and showed. I mean, she knows how the Constitution works.

00:48:49.220 She just hopes you don't. Rich and Charlie, stay with me for the show. We'll be right back

00:48:53.640 after this quick break. So Elizabeth Warren, or as we used to call her it on my team at Fox News,

00:49:04.400 chief lies a lot, was out there doing more lying last night, this time about J.D. Vance.

00:49:11.400 Trust Donald Trump and J.D. Vance to look out for your family. Shoot. I wouldn't let those guys.

00:49:19.760 I wouldn't trust them to move my couch.

00:49:27.700 Everybody knows it was a reference to this obvious lie. No one is claiming it's true other

00:49:33.500 than loons like Chelsea Handler about J.D. Vance allegedly putting something in his in his book

00:49:39.100 about a couch. And it's not true. And it's been debunked. But she just thought it would be great

00:49:43.180 for her to get a snarky line out there about J.D. Vance. Well, I hope she enjoyed the raucous

00:49:49.980 laughter and applause because things turned for her in the course of about 14 hours. She thought

00:49:56.360 she'd be getting a pass by going on CNBC this morning because she loves to talk about economic

00:50:01.180 policy. And she didn't expect to run into the buzzsaw. That is Joe Kernan, who is not some far left guy

00:50:08.900 who gives everybody a pass. I know him a little. And this guy's funny and he's a straight shooter.

00:50:15.140 And he gave somebody else from the Harris team yesterday a very hard time about Harris's claim

00:50:22.680 that these agricultural companies and shopping companies or food product companies are gouging

00:50:29.620 people. And she's going to be our savior and she's going to step in and she's going to stop them with

00:50:33.600 our huge profit margins from taking advantage of tough times. So he had a great interview with

00:50:38.820 somebody yesterday and it happened to Elizabeth Warren again today. And let me just tell you,

00:50:43.080 before I get to it, Harris doubled down on this. She didn't explicitly say the price gouging thing

00:50:47.460 yesterday or on Friday when, sorry, last night when she gave her speech, she had said the policy

00:50:52.300 the previous Friday, a week ago today. This is how she phrased it last night. She just said,

00:50:57.060 I will bring together labor and workers and small business owners and entrepreneurs and

00:51:03.060 American companies to create jobs. Okay. Just so, okay. You're going to how, but no, that's not in

00:51:10.980 there to grow our economy and to lower the cost of everyday needs like healthcare, housing, and

00:51:18.840 groceries. Now, if you read between the lines there, that's she's getting Marxist D like her dad,

00:51:24.200 like it's not up to the federal government to lower the price of groceries, but she thinks it's her

00:51:29.580 purview. And this is what she's been saying more explicitly over the past week that she's got to

00:51:34.140 stop the price gouging at the, at the supermarket. Here's Elizabeth Warren trying to repeat that

00:51:39.140 nonsense on CNBC this morning. The grocery chains have a 2% profit margin. How about Apple with 50%

00:51:47.460 or 40%? How do you decide? This is not the government's place to do these things. It's a fool's

00:51:53.360 errand. But one of the causes of prices going up is that there are companies that have market

00:52:00.660 dominance that have said, Oh, this is a moment when everyone's talking about name, name another

00:52:06.420 one. Give me an instance. States have tools to deal with this locally. But right now we want to make

00:52:13.580 sure that the FTC has the tools to do it nationally. It's just another tool in the toolbox to say,

00:52:21.040 we support competitive markets. Is it for a state of emergency?

00:52:24.840 Senator, when did companies learn how to do this?

00:52:27.920 I let you finish your argument. Did you invite me on here just to lecture to me?

00:52:33.520 No, I just want to ask you. The whole point is to get markets that are more competitive.

00:52:39.780 It's not about diverting the attention away from the real issues that might actually help the

00:52:45.360 middle class that you always talk about helping. For 40 years, companies didn't know how to price

00:52:50.840 gouge until three and a half years ago. The American people know what's happening

00:52:55.300 in pricing. They understand that they are being blamed for that. And who they blame for that

00:53:02.680 are these giant corporations. They blame the Biden administration. No, you blame the Biden

00:53:08.360 administration because you cannot bear the notion that sometimes these competitive markets are in

00:53:15.260 fact, not competitive.

00:53:18.720 Wow. Charles, it's so wonderful to see someone in the media do his job, isn't it?

00:53:24.220 You know, the reason that that is especially satisfying is that Elizabeth Warren actually

00:53:32.800 knows that what she's saying is nonsense. This is not some rando on the street who's been

00:53:40.780 misinformed, didn't have any opportunities. Elizabeth Warren knows that that is nonsense.

00:53:46.740 And she knows that what she is doing is peddling it in service of the Harris campaign.

00:53:54.480 Because the Harris campaign has a political, not an economic, a political problem to solve.

00:54:00.380 That being that Harris has to do two things that are incompatible. The first thing she has to do

00:54:06.300 is the Clinton-esque, I feel your pain on the price of groceries and everything else. She has to

00:54:14.560 acknowledge as a presidential candidate that the cost of basic necessities has gone up a great deal in

00:54:23.420 the last three and a half years. The second thing that Kamala Harris has to do is shift the blame away

00:54:29.780 from herself. Because while a genuine outsider would be able to say, everything's got more

00:54:36.860 expensive, I will fix it. It doesn't make a great deal of sense for Harris to do that when she's the

00:54:42.120 vice president of the United States. And she's actually on camera being the tying boat, breaking

00:54:48.400 the tying boat on many of the bills that flooded the economy with money and helped, not completely

00:54:56.580 on their own, but helped to cause the inflation that we've seen. So Harris has this big problem.

00:55:01.700 How do you say, I understand that it's a big problem, that groceries are so expensive, without

00:55:08.040 that blame coming back to her? And so what she's hit on is this preposterous notion that grocery

00:55:17.140 chains that make about 1.2% profit every year have, and this seems to have started on January 21st,

00:55:24.840 2021, magically, been profiteering, price gouging, or what you will. It's never quite explained,

00:55:30.860 by the way, why they don't do this during Republican administrations. Republicans are allegedly the

00:55:35.240 friends of big business. And all they care about is helping their CEO buddies make millions of

00:55:40.540 dollars. But while Trump was president, while George W. Bush was president, while Ronald Reagan

00:55:45.560 was president, they declined to do this. So they did it during the Biden administration. This is

00:55:49.760 her argument. It's just, it's insane nonsense. And I know there's been a great deal of discussion as to

00:55:55.200 how the price gouging bill that Kamala Harris was talking about would actually not work and may indeed

00:56:03.040 increase the cost of things. That matters. It matters that Harris's FTC would be the same as Biden's

00:56:10.780 FTC, and would probably go down this route of its own volition. I'm not downplaying the policy

00:56:16.400 disaster that would be this price gouging idea. But this is a political problem that Harris is

00:56:22.080 trying to solve. And so, of course, Elizabeth Warren, who inexplicably is considered in the

00:56:27.040 media as some sort of expert on economics, who could be trusted to talk about the economy,

00:56:31.960 dutifully, this morning went on television to peddle this lie. And as you say, ran into a buzzsaw.

00:56:38.400 And it's just delicious to see for that reason.

00:56:40.520 Oh, so delicious. I want, I mean, as the kids say, shoot it into my veins,

00:56:45.400 really? So this is, this is perfect though. Like that plan she unveiled last Friday,

00:56:55.260 she got pummeled by the left and the right. She reduced it down to this passing reference last

00:56:59.860 night, how she's going to, you know, take care of the lower, the course, the cost of groceries

00:57:04.200 for us, um, is perfect rich because what she was speaking of was creating an opportunity economy,

00:57:13.280 an opportunity economy. And of course you're like, what's that? What does that mean? Like,

00:57:18.300 what is Kamala Harris's version of that? You don't really have to look that hard to find out

00:57:23.020 because she did not just parachute onto the political scene. She's been vice president for

00:57:27.800 four years. She ran for president the year before that. And she's made very clear what she thinks about

00:57:33.500 when she thinks about the necessary opportunities out there. Fox news digital put together a good

00:57:39.960 budded soundbite. Um, I'll show it to you, but I'm going to start with, do you guys remember life

00:57:44.640 of Julia under Barack Obama? Oh yeah. Yeah. Right. The convention who's going to be living off the

00:57:50.580 government teat from the, from birth to death. And that's how Obama visioned your average American

00:57:55.880 woman, Julia. She fully endorsed it. So did Biden. They created their own version. Her name was Linda

00:58:01.820 life of Linda. And they put out a little cartoon early on in their administration telling us about

00:58:07.000 how Linda's life would go. Linda worked in a factory. Here's page one of it. She's a working

00:58:12.720 mom in Peoria, Illinois. She works at a local manufacturing facility as a production worker

00:58:16.420 and earns 40 grand a year. She's pregnant with her son, Leo Leo may or may not make it depending

00:58:21.380 on our abortion policies. No, sorry. I added that. Um, sorry. I'm going to get back to the abortion

00:58:31.180 thing because they they're so vapid in the way that they approach. They couldn't care less about

00:58:37.140 the life inside a mother. Okay. You got to laugh or cry back to Kamala. She's, she narrated this

00:58:43.940 little cartoon and then she's been all over the record on what she means by opportunity. Take a listen.

00:58:50.040 So there's a big difference between equality and equity.

00:58:54.960 Equality suggests, oh, everyone should get the same amount. The problem with that,

00:59:00.520 not everybody's starting out from the same place. So if we're all getting the same amount,

00:59:04.800 but you started out back there and I started out over here, we can get the same amount,

00:59:08.940 but you're still going to be that far back behind me.

00:59:10.640 It's about giving people the resources and the support they need so that everyone can be

00:59:19.160 on equal footing and then compete on equal footing. Equitable treatment means we all end up at the

00:59:26.680 same place. Got it, Rich? We, yeah, I do get it to end up at the same place. Yeah. I mean,

00:59:35.880 first of all, it makes you, your ears her. I mean, it's so vacuous. And then what she's getting at is

00:59:42.200 so un-American and unfair, right? Even Bernie Sanders in the Vowed Socialist, I think it was on

00:59:50.060 the Bill Maher show a couple of years ago, was asked about, does he favor equality or equity? And he

00:59:55.100 said equality, right? Equality of opportunity. We can't guarantee equal results, but she's saying

01:00:01.180 equal results there. And it's just an instance, she had this poolside the other day in front of

01:00:07.520 her plane or next to her plane, and she's asked how she's going to pay for this program. I'm sure

01:00:12.060 you saw this, probably talked about it. And she said, return on investment five or six times,

01:00:16.980 right? And that's what you do when you're a student who's been caught out, who hasn't really studied,

01:00:21.640 right? You're asked by your teacher or professor, you know, what's Moby Dick about? You've skimmed the

01:00:27.000 cliff notes or spark notes, whatever it is, man versus nature, right? And they said, well,

01:00:30.980 what happens during the book? Well, it's man versus nature that happens. How's it end? Well,

01:00:34.680 it ends with a metaphor about man versus, that's all you know. And that's her level of understanding

01:00:41.900 of economics. There's no return on investment on the vast majority of this stuff. Occasionally,

01:00:46.620 you get return on investment on things like the Erie Canal or winning World War II, but these social

01:00:51.900 welfare programs know. And, you know, Charlie's right about the difference with Elizabeth Warren,

01:00:56.980 and she does know better. But one of the additional delicious things about that interview is how huffy

01:01:02.460 she got, because it just goes to how these poobahs and senators, you can go through life saying things

01:01:10.220 that are idiotic and untrue and cynical and get away with it and be treated as if you're brilliant.

01:01:17.720 And then the minute you get in some uncomfortable environment where you're challenged, you're

01:01:23.180 outraged by it. You know, your umbrage comes to the fore. How dare you challenge this brilliant idea

01:01:30.920 of mine, which is completely absurd. There are lots of things they can say on inflation, right? You can

01:01:34.520 say supply chain, overwhelmingly, it happened in other countries and it's gone down. You can even

01:01:39.640 exaggerate all those things, right? But at least those things that they're kernels to truth to it,

01:01:44.140 instead, they've come up with this ridiculous price gouging argument.

01:01:47.720 Can I just add something on opportunity economy?

01:01:50.680 Thanks for reintroducing. Yes, wait, can it before I give it to you? Can I just show you a little bit

01:01:55.200 more? Because I saved the butted soundbite for you, Charles, knowing your love for her and this

01:02:00.340 principle. This one actually was put together by End Wokeness on X. Watch.

01:02:04.980 He's talking about equitable, meaning at the result will be everyone ends up being equal.

01:02:10.100 Equity, which is everyone should end up in the same place.

01:02:13.580 It has to be about a goal of saying everybody should end up in the same place. And if we want

01:02:18.880 people to be in an equal place, sometimes we have to take into account those disparities.

01:02:23.480 President Biden and I have put equity at the center of all that we do.

01:02:29.000 Oh, go ahead, my friend.

01:02:32.060 I was good on that. I know people glaze over when you say this because they're so used to

01:02:38.620 hyperbole, but that is actual communism. But I was going to say that on the opportunity economy,

01:02:47.120 the great irony here, and I wish that Trump were focused and disciplined enough to make this point.

01:02:52.960 The great irony is that the United States had an opportunity economy in 2019. Now, that wasn't because

01:03:01.880 Donald Trump at the head of the federal government was the Wizard of Oz and everything he did was perfect

01:03:06.860 and the president is in charge of the economy or any of those superstitions that we believe.

01:03:12.180 But through a tax cut and deregulation, we had managed to create, foster the genius that is the American

01:03:20.960 free market system. And we had an economy in which people were thriving. And when you want to talk

01:03:28.880 about equity, in which for the first time in a long time, the black and white unemployment rates

01:03:35.400 looked similar. And the Harris campaign slogan is, we can't go back. And I think that this is something

01:03:43.200 that the Republicans ought to say over and over again. Again, don't pretend that they planned this

01:03:48.120 great economy that was perfect. And the second they get back in, it'll go back to it. None of that.

01:03:52.740 But that what killed the best American economy since 1969, in 2019, was COVID. At the convention,

01:04:01.620 Bill Clinton gave this statistic where he said, Republican presidents have accounted for 1 million

01:04:07.460 jobs created since 1988. Interesting cutoff year. And Democratic presidents have accounted for 50 million.

01:04:14.240 And this is technically true. But of course, what it misses is that Republicans have run Congress for

01:04:20.180 most of that time. So we're really going to stop saying you're responsible for this or that you have

01:04:24.840 to include the legislature. But also, the fact that bad things happen at random times. I mean,

01:04:30.540 the crash came in 2008. COVID came in 2019. Life is just so much more complicated than politics would

01:04:40.020 allow. But one thing that is indisputably true is that until COVID came in and destroyed everything

01:04:46.640 for a while, the economy in 2019 was humming along. Leaving people alone works. That was an opportunity

01:04:55.580 economy. And if I were in charge of the Republican messaging, which I'm not never will be, I would say

01:05:01.240 over and over and over again, why is your slogan, we can't go back? Which part is it that you don't want

01:05:07.100 to go back to? Why do you have all these bizarre ideas about what it is that it takes to build a good

01:05:14.280 economy? Why do you need equity? Why do you need price gouging czars? Why do you need the FTC to

01:05:20.980 intervene? What you need to do is keep taxes low, keep regulation low, allow American individuals to do

01:05:27.980 what they do best, hopefully not have a pandemic, and not spend so much money on your friends that we end

01:05:36.100 up with the worst inflation we've had in 40 years, because she's totally vulnerable on this. She just

01:05:40.880 hasn't got a clue. Well said. I do want to follow up on the abortion reference, because they're so

01:05:48.500 callous. We've been talking about, and I know you guys have as well, the fact that there's an abortion

01:05:51.720 truck outside of the DNC. This is what they decided to do to celebrate their joy is to kill a bunch of

01:05:56.940 unborn babies. And nothing says joy like a bunch of dead human beings. I'm sorry, but it's so callous.

01:06:03.580 You can go with the safe, legal, and rare. A lot of normal, loving, patriotic Americans are pro-choice,

01:06:10.120 and that's how they see this. It's downright ghoulish to have an abortion truck outside of

01:06:15.620 your convention and bill it as joyful. There are women parading down the street in abortion pill

01:06:21.820 costumes there. I don't know if you guys saw the tape. It's unbelievable. And then the final cherry

01:06:27.620 on top of that Sunday last night, as she's speaking, and of course, they just call it

01:06:33.000 reproductive rights, you know, reproductive rights. If you want to, if you want reproductive

01:06:36.700 rights, you can get them. You can get them in virtually every single state. Some states are a

01:06:39.940 lot tougher now, post Dobbs, but go live in California. It's a sanctuary state for abortions

01:06:45.340 whenever you want them. New York, my own home state. Anyway, let's look at who the DNC decided to show

01:06:53.260 as she was speaking about, quote, reproductive freedom, meaning a portion. Look at this.

01:07:00.440 And when Congress passes a bill to restore reproductive freedom as president of the United

01:07:08.360 States, I will proudly sign it into law.

01:07:11.180 It's a newborn baby.

01:07:23.040 Yeah, it's too on the nose, isn't it?

01:07:26.680 It's unbelievable. If only we could have gotten rid of that one. And little Leo in the belly of

01:07:32.860 Linda. Like this is this is next level, Rich.

01:07:36.060 Yeah. Have we ever known anyone who regrets having one of their children ever, even if the

01:07:42.980 child was born in the quote unquote wrong time or in terrible circumstances? No. And ghoulish is

01:07:48.940 exactly the right word for that van. It's like something out of, you know, Huxley's brave new

01:07:53.540 world. This is a terrible thing that that that is happening. So women, some women regret it the rest of

01:08:00.640 their lives. And there's another entity, you know, at at stake who has an interest in and rights. So

01:08:07.020 I mean, it's cliche to say it. We've said it so many times, but we're so far from safe, legal and

01:08:12.140 in rare, which had a sense this is this regrettable that this that is better all things considered to

01:08:18.680 to have a legalized abortion regime. But abortion itself is not something to be proud of or to promote.

01:08:24.080 And they've totally gone over to the other side where it's something to be proud of. Right. It's

01:08:29.180 it's this is something, you know, used to be a mystery address in some far part of town. And

01:08:34.220 they're bragging about having a ban committing these these acts. So they feel permission to do this

01:08:40.780 because obviously the politics of abortion have swung against Republicans since Dobbs. But they think

01:08:46.300 there's absolutely no limit on how far they can go. And that may be true in this moment. I don't think

01:08:52.540 it's true ultimately. And obviously in moral terms, it's a travesty. It's crazy when you think that

01:08:59.460 they actually are pushing to have abortion stay legal all the way through the ninth month. And then

01:09:03.360 they show a baby who's obviously just a couple of months old. Like, what do you think, babe? How do

01:09:07.660 we think like you almost what maybe you'll make it? Maybe not. You were on the cusp, you know, under our

01:09:12.460 policies, the one that she's promising to make right now, your little brother, your little sister

01:09:16.580 might not make it. Are you pro or against just absolutely insensitive to the millions of Americans

01:09:23.540 for whom this truly is a life or death issue? They take it very seriously. It's just a middle

01:09:28.700 finger. And it went out on the DNC's feed on their YouTube channel. They they're leaning in. It

01:09:35.120 actually kind of reminded me of when Oprah was speaking the other night, you know, and she

01:09:39.600 whoever's running this DNC feed is just savage person. Um, the cat lady. Yeah. And they showed

01:09:51.500 this like overweight, not that attractive. Forgive me lady. I don't, I can't remember exactly who she

01:09:57.440 was, but I remember it was like, all right, she might've had some struggles. Um, and they're like,

01:10:02.560 Oh, okay. We have the soundbite and you'll see the woman at the end of it. Watch

01:10:05.600 to a childless cat lady on their original feed. They showed this poor lady like, huh? Like there's

01:10:20.040 just absolutely no sensitivity for childless cat ladies, which I'm told is a bad thing to be

01:10:25.160 insensitive and sensitive to them. But I queued that side sound bite up to you guys, because

01:10:29.480 we had a week of women getting up there and trying to get us to feel sorry for them or to be oblivious

01:10:39.840 to their actual circumstances from Michelle Obama, who brought up her mom, who really is suspicious

01:10:45.920 of people who make more money than they need to Oprah, literally one of the richest people, forget

01:10:53.040 women, one of the richest people on earth who decided to take her five minutes of fame and talk

01:10:59.040 about in part the misogyny and racism. She's based from the country that made her a 2.6

01:11:06.960 billionaire, uh, to Kamala Harris last night who decided to bring up her mom, who was a PhD

01:11:14.260 from Berkeley. Her dad, who is a PhD at Stanford talking about them and like the working class

01:11:21.660 upbringing. She, I think, would you stop because you lived in a duplex when your parents had a divorce

01:11:27.000 does not make you work in class. Your parents were double PhDs. You had all the advantages in

01:11:32.160 the world. Rich, I just can't, it's like so over the top when even Oprah can complain about this

01:11:39.200 country and the terrible isms she's faced. Yeah. Where's, where's the gratitude and they're all

01:11:43.840 condescending towards, uh, or hostile to JD Vance who actually grew up in those kinds of circumstances,

01:11:49.040 goes to Ohio university, you know, and listen, the Marines, and then eventually makes it to Yale law

01:11:54.340 school. And that's a bad thing, right? So, um, it's, it's, it's perverse. And if we're going to

01:12:00.780 have equity, you know, either we're all going to have to get a lot richer or Michelle Obama is going

01:12:04.960 to have to, to lose a lot of houses and money. Yeah. You know, it's a good point. Do we get it

01:12:10.080 under Kamala Harris's plan, Charles? Maybe we get, we get what Oprah has. Aren't we all supposed to

01:12:14.980 wind up in the same place? I've great. Let's do that. Yeah. One of the overarching takeaways I had

01:12:22.000 from the whole convention is that the Democrats in that hall haven't actually met many Democrats

01:12:26.860 or if they have, they haven't quite adjusted yet to what the party is now. Clearly the parties have

01:12:33.520 shifted somewhat, their coalitions are changing. And some of the rhetoric really did feel as if it

01:12:38.240 was left over from another age, an age in which Hubert Humphrey was going out to speak to Minnesota

01:12:44.360 to farm labor types, uh, and genuinely meaning it when he talked about the difference between country

01:12:51.180 club Republicans, uh, and, uh, poor Catholic Democrats. And so you end up with that weird

01:12:58.700 spectacle of, uh, Oprah Winfrey talking about income inequality and Michelle Obama talking about people

01:13:05.700 who have too much. And the weirdest of all, as Rich mentioned is this Tim Walsh line that he repeats

01:13:10.700 everywhere. He's clearly proud of it. It wasn't an off the cuff slip where he criticizes JD Vance

01:13:16.060 for going to Yale. And it was so odd for three reasons I could identify it. So the first one

01:13:21.580 is that before he said it about two hours before Bill Clinton had spoken that Bill Clinton's story

01:13:29.260 is that he was a guy from difficult background in grew up poor and somehow managed to make it in

01:13:37.420 Clinton's case to Georgetown, Oxford and Yale. Um, so that was one of the big selling points for

01:13:43.180 Bill Clinton in the nineties. So it's bad now when, uh, JD Vance does it. I don't, I don't understand

01:13:48.540 the argument. Now, the next thing that was said was, you know, he had 24 students in his class and

01:13:52.940 none of them went to Yale. If I were a teacher, that's not quite how I would sell, um, sell my records.

01:13:58.460 And then the last one, right. And then the last one is that the Democrats have made a big thing

01:14:05.100 in this convention and elsewhere of how the Republicans are supposed to be anti-education.

01:14:09.020 Um, and yet they're critical of people who made it to one of our elite institutions. It was just a

01:14:14.860 very strange, um, thing to say. And, and, and a thing that you, you would have expected from a

01:14:19.980 different democratic party. And I think they just haven't quite caught up yet with who their voters

01:14:24.380 and who that base is now. Hmm. That's interesting. Yeah. There, uh, Ian Hayworth on X the other day,

01:14:29.820 had a great post on, on exactly like the number of speakers there who had been to Yale and Harvard.

01:14:35.820 I mean, it was actually, hold on a second. I've got it here, but it was, it was pretty remarkable.

01:14:40.060 Like the number of people who are up there and who went to Yale, who went to Harvard, who went to

01:14:45.340 Georgetown. There's just a quick list per Ian. Um, Jamie Harrison. Yeah. These are the people who spoke

01:14:51.940 Gina Raimondo, Harvard, Oxford, Yale, Hillary Clinton, Wellesley, Yale, Jamie Raskin, Harvard,

01:14:55.780 Chris Coons, Yale, Chuck Schumer, Harvard, Michelle Obama, Princeton, Harvard law, Barack Obama,

01:14:59.860 Columbia and Harvard law, Jared Polis, Princeton, Chris Murphy, Oxford, Andy Kim, Oxford, Bill Clinton,

01:15:04.420 Oxford, Yale, Westmore, Oxford, Pete Buttigieg, Harvard and Oxford, Amy Klobuchar, Yale,

01:15:08.680 Cory Booker, Stanford, Oxford, Yale, Maura Healy, Harvard. We could keep going. So is it only bad to go

01:15:14.080 to the Ivies if your name is JD Vance and you started off genuinely poor? It's unclear, Rich.

01:15:19.120 Yeah. And there's a lot of hypocrisy in this too, right? If you had just gone to Ohio State

01:15:24.020 University, they might've been condescending about that, but those schools, I mean, they're the

01:15:27.780 breeding grounds of the, the American elite and the democratic establishment is the heart of the,

01:15:33.060 the democratic elite in, in many ways. And not everyone who goes there is intellectually or

01:15:38.720 politically corrupted, but, but there is, tends to be a dominant monochromatic point of view that all

01:15:45.120 these people represent. All right. We've got a lot to get to over on team Trump's side because

01:15:50.920 he was not quiet while this was going on. He spent a lot of time at the border. And I think probably

01:15:56.700 two huge, significant things happened in terms of Trump getting endorsements or

01:16:02.640 building bridges, mending fences, you know, pick your, um, your, your favorite.

01:16:10.140 But I think one of the big ones was last night and Brian Kemp, Brian Kemp was very,

01:16:15.460 very popular governor of Georgia. Hasn't been going well between those two because Kemp wouldn't

01:16:19.220 do what Trump wanted him to with the nonsense around the election. Trump decided he was a devil

01:16:23.220 and attacked him only recently again, like let bygones be bygones for the love of God,

01:16:28.400 for the sake of the country, he needs to win Georgia and Georgia loves Kemp.

01:16:32.780 And Trump took a shot at Kemp and his wife, blah, blah, blah. Kemp goes on Fox news. I was watching

01:16:39.900 this. It was pretty remarkable. And, uh, start saying nice things ish about Trump. Listen here.

01:16:48.000 It's a 24. Look, we got to win. You know, we got to win from the top of the ticket on down. Uh,

01:16:55.440 I've been saying consistently for a long time, we cannot afford another four years of Joe Biden and

01:17:01.600 Kamala Harris. And I think, you know, Kamala Harris and Tim Walsh would be even worse. Uh,

01:17:07.420 so we need to send Donald Trump back to the white house. We need to retake the Senate. We need to

01:17:12.400 hold the house. We need to hold our legislative majorities that we have in the great state of

01:17:16.900 Georgia. So Trump actually appeared with, um, Brett and Martha shortly thereafter and said in return,

01:17:25.260 learn some nice things about Kemp. And then I think later put out a, um, no, he said,

01:17:32.500 and then, and then he put out a truth social that reads as follows. Thank you to Brian Kemp for all

01:17:37.720 of your help and support in Georgia, where a win is so important to the success of our party. And most

01:17:41.460 importantly, our country, I look forward to working with you, your team, and all of my friends in

01:17:45.740 Georgia to help make America great again. I mean, this is classic Donald Trump. Is it not rich?

01:17:52.020 Classic. Yeah. One, all he needs is for you to extend a little olive branch to him and you're

01:17:56.600 good. Yeah. Very transactional. Also everyone around Trump was telling that this was idiotic

01:18:02.780 and he should, he should bury this. So he did the right thing. He never should have revived it.

01:18:08.560 And Brian Kemp, by the way, is one of the most impressive, uh, Republican office holders going,

01:18:14.060 you know, I I'm from, uh, I'm not from the South. So when I first met him around a conference table

01:18:18.920 for about 10 minutes, I was like, what's this, the straw, you know, this guy's not very impressive.

01:18:23.100 And then within about 10 minutes, like, Whoa, this guy is really on the ball. He's one Republican

01:18:27.840 who crossed Trump on something that Kemp felt was very important. You know, his, his duty as governor

01:18:33.440 and had Kemp target him, I'm sorry, Trump target him, go after him, uh, hammer and tongs and survive

01:18:40.300 and thrive. And that's an extraordinary, uh, political, uh, achievement. And then, you know,

01:18:46.220 he's, he's, uh, he's a party guy. He thinks Trump would be better than Harris, obviously. So he was

01:18:51.640 just willing to, to, to move on and, and try to win Georgia. And then Trump at this rally, there's

01:18:57.000 some theories that, that there's a anti, uh, Kemp Republican who's spent time, uh, with Trump prior

01:19:02.920 to that rally and kind of spun him up, but to spend 10 minutes attacking Brian Kemp and his wife,

01:19:07.340 it's obviously destructive made no sense. And it's good that this breach has been healed at least

01:19:12.700 for now. Charles, it's a, I it's, I'm overusing the word, but it's kind of a heroic moment for

01:19:18.720 Brian Kemp because I'm sure he's not a huge Trump fan. He just attacked Trump just attacked Brian

01:19:24.820 Kemp's wife like two weeks ago, but he, I think has accurately deduced that Trump must have Georgia.

01:19:32.040 He must win Georgia. And so in an extraordinary act of selflessness, he was the first to come out

01:19:39.400 and say something nice. And he knew exactly the effect that would have on Trump who does start

01:19:44.520 these fights, but is also quick to finish them under circumstances like these.

01:19:50.020 Well, I don't think it's extraordinary in the sense that I think what you're seeing there is the

01:19:54.420 difference between a disciplined politician who wants to win and Donald Trump. You know,

01:20:00.600 Donald Trump has a lot of talent, but he's mercurial and capricious. And despite all of

01:20:08.160 the eschatological rhetoric around this election, he doesn't seem to believe that the election of

01:20:13.760 Harris would end the country because if he did, he would be more focused. He'd be more,

01:20:17.880 in other words, like Brian Kemp and not just Brian Kemp, but the vast majority of Republican

01:20:24.120 office holders at the state level who stay on track. I live in Florida. DeSantis stays on track

01:20:31.640 and he wins and he gets things done. This is true of Brian Kemp just up the road in Georgia. It's true

01:20:38.400 in Iowa. It's true in Ohio. It's true in Texas. It's true in Alabama. The idea that Trump is some sort of

01:20:48.540 exceptional politician without whom the Republicans would be lost is false. At least at the state level,

01:20:55.160 governors within the Republican Party have done an enormous amount and got an enormous amount of wins

01:21:01.940 over the last two or three years on school choice, on constitutional carry, on tax cutting,

01:21:07.700 on abortion because, excuse me, because they don't get drawn in to stupid feuds. So I don't think it's

01:21:17.560 extraordinary from Brian Kemp. I think it's absolutely ordinary. I think what is extraordinary

01:21:21.700 is that there was a breach to heel in the first place, that Trump allowed himself to be spun up by

01:21:28.400 this anti-Kemp politician when anyone else in the firmament, I'm forgetting Glenn Youngkin up in

01:21:35.520 Virginia, whose approval rating is about 60 percent. Anyone else in the firmament would have looked at

01:21:40.620 that person before the rally and said, are you insane? I'm about to speak in this state that I

01:21:46.940 need to win, where the governor you want me to talk about has a 65 percent approval rating and a whole

01:21:53.980 bunch of wins under his vote. Why on earth would I start a fight with him? Yeah, my own theory on it

01:22:00.420 is that Trump, it's not that Trump is undisciplined exactly. I take your point, but I think it's that

01:22:08.120 he just believes in his own gut instinct above all else. And if his gut instinct is telling him to lash

01:22:16.680 out at Brian Kemp, he hates Brian Kemp. He thinks that's the right thing to do because his gut instinct

01:22:21.580 got him a billion dollars and got him elected president. And everybody all along the way has

01:22:26.240 said, no, no, no, no, no, you're wrong. He's been right more than he's been wrong. And so that's how

01:22:30.740 he operates through life. We've talked about this before, but he was raised going to the church of

01:22:34.940 Norman Vincent Peale, who wrote The Power of Positive Thinking. And it's a fascinating read.

01:22:40.960 If you haven't read it in a while, you can go back and read it, but it is very much, it's actually a lot

01:22:44.360 more biblical and religious than I think Trump actually is. But the messaging is very positive.

01:22:50.400 And I think that's just how Trump thinks. I know best. I'm going to do the right thing.

01:22:53.800 I trust my gut. That's clearly part of it. But also the idea that he really won the 2020 election,

01:23:01.280 it was stolen from him, is pretty core to his political identity, right? If he didn't believe

01:23:06.740 that, he didn't convince a lot of Republicans of that, he wouldn't have been the nominee.

01:23:11.620 So for him, Kemp and his wife having crossed him on that is a pretty major transgression that's hard

01:23:20.040 to forgive. Now, I don't think that speaks well of Trump. I'm totally on Kemp's side.

01:23:23.800 In this dispute. But I think that's also behind it. And the reason why Kemp's wife is particularly

01:23:29.060 not enamored of Trump, this pressure campaign, if you hear about it in detail from them,

01:23:35.140 it was extraordinary. It was very personal. They took it very personally after the 2020 election

01:23:41.300 for good reason. So there's a lot of ill feeling there. It's better for everyone that it's papered

01:23:46.980 over. But there's a reason we had this eruption.

01:23:50.440 That is back to my point, Charles, which does make him extraordinary. Governor Kemp,

01:23:55.240 able to put that to the side and do what's best for the country. So bravo. It's a good moment

01:24:00.680 for the Republican Party. And they needed one. And they're going to get a second one

01:24:04.280 in about a half an hour, we believe, in Arizona. Standby. Quick break. More with Rich and Charlie.

01:24:10.660 And we'll pick up the topic of RFKJ.

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01:25:14.300 Clear Choice, this pack, this DNC-aligned pack that was created specifically to take us out has spent

01:25:21.600 millions of dollars to take us out. We wanted to win. We wanted a fair shot.

01:25:25.660 The DNC made that impossible for us. They have banned us, shadow banned us, kept us off stages,

01:25:34.860 manipulated polls, used lawfare against us, sued us in every possible state. They've even planted

01:25:41.980 insiders into our campaign to disrupt it and to create actual legal issues for us. It is exclusively

01:25:50.420 because of the Democratic Party taking us out. I am so disappointed I ever helped them. I am so

01:25:56.060 disappointed that I helped Chuck Schumer in that Georgia runoff secure a majority. It's probably

01:26:03.240 one of the biggest mistakes of my life. Welcome back to the Megyn Kelly Show. Rich Lowry and Charles

01:26:08.200 C.W. Cook of National Review are with me. Become an NR Plus subscriber right now. Go check it out.

01:26:14.460 As I said, RFKJ's running mate, Nicole Shanahan, there talking about the dirty tricks she says the DNC was

01:26:19.440 using to keep them from pursuing democracy, which is supposed to be a value on Team Blue.

01:26:25.160 Jill Stein, also running, sent out a tweet in response to, I believe this was Michelle Obama's

01:26:30.780 speech, where she was talking about what happens if you lose an election, you just get to fail forward.

01:26:38.920 And Jill Stein tweeted out, stop the gaslighting. Right now, the Democrats are trying to sue us off of

01:26:43.840 multiple state ballots, hiring spies and infiltrators to sabotage us, and even withholding

01:26:49.300 public funds that we qualified for months ago. Democrats absolutely cheat and change the rules

01:26:54.160 to maintain their grip on power. Nicole Shanahan responded saying, I'm sorry it's happening to you

01:26:58.780 too, Jill. Amazing how convincing Michelle Obama is when she lies. So these are two important people

01:27:05.960 in this sliver of vote from people who are not necessarily ready to vote for Harris or Trump.

01:27:12.800 And the reporting is that in about 15 minutes, RFKJ Rich is going to drop out of the race officially

01:27:18.620 and endorse Trump, though it's not 100% confirmed. And then Trump two hours later has an event where

01:27:25.700 there's a surprise guest, many speculating the two men, both in Arizona, it will be RFKJ with an

01:27:31.340 endorsement. What do you make of it? Yeah. So look, all those, those efforts to keep them off

01:27:36.540 the ballot, if these were favored candidates, if these were candidates, the media liked that it

01:27:40.620 would be characterized as authoritarian, illiberal and anti-democratic, right? Instead, we haven't heard

01:27:45.960 a word of it. And basically in the mainstream media, you know, maybe page A10, if you're still reading

01:27:51.200 a print newspaper, you know, three column inches or something, but it hasn't been a focus at all.

01:27:56.780 Now, at the same time, obviously, a major theme of their campaign against Trump has been their

01:28:01.680 pro-democracy people. So these, these two things don't get together, don't go together. It's another

01:28:06.320 instance of hypocrisy. And they're caring more about power over everything else. Now, RFK was

01:28:12.880 fading. You know, one, it hasn't been a great campaign. The most memorable things about it were

01:28:17.440 the alleged brain worm and then, then the dead bear cub, which is such an RFK thing, because it's a

01:28:23.400 very outdoorsy thing to even think of picking up a dead bear cub and then to drop it off in Central

01:28:28.700 Park because you have to make it to a dinner at Peter Luger's is the other part of the Kennedy

01:28:33.140 lifestyle. But he'd also been fading because the so-called double haters at the pool, there still

01:28:37.980 are double haters, but the pool is smaller. So he was in the teens in some polls early on,

01:28:43.120 now five or six points. And if you're Trump, you know, you want his endorsement. If someone's

01:28:49.020 going to win Pennsylvania by 10,000 votes, which is plausible, and that could turn the election,

01:28:53.820 which is plausible, even if you get an additional 2,000 votes in Pennsylvania or someplace else,

01:28:58.620 another key swing state from this, it's obviously worth it. I love that video where RFKJ reveals that

01:29:04.320 bear story to Roseanne. And I love Roseanne's reactions. He was trying to get ahead of it was

01:29:09.780 about to break and he just decided to tell it to Roseanne. And she's like, what? Wait, what?

01:29:14.540 What'd you do to the bear cuff? Huh? She's doubled on gold. Charles, I know you are not an RFKJ fan.

01:29:22.100 You're not a Trump fan either, but this is significant as far as electoral politics goes.

01:29:27.500 We went through the numbers yesterday in the various swing states. He does have support and

01:29:32.300 they tend to be more right-leaning. And if he comes out there and says, you know, I'm telling you,

01:29:37.280 please vote for Donald Trump. And Donald Trump's agreed to work with me, who obviously you like

01:29:40.820 these slivers of people in the swing states. It could potentially swing this election.

01:29:46.180 Yeah, I think the you like part of that is the key. That's been my operating assumption too,

01:29:50.380 that even if the RFKJ support splits evenly, which, or close to evenly, which some of the polls

01:29:58.400 suggest that it does, that if you're not a fan of either of the two major candidates, then that's for

01:30:04.720 a reason. And that if you've told people you're voting for RFKJ, then that's for a reason.

01:30:09.860 And that if the person you prefer over the other two, then comes out and says, well, I'm dropping

01:30:14.640 out, but I think that the best choice remaining is X, then you might transfer at least disproportionately

01:30:21.580 your vote to X. So if I were Donald Trump, then I would absolutely want RFK Jr. support.

01:30:31.000 So Trump, as I mentioned, has been down along the border and just heartbreaking stories. This is very

01:30:37.180 smart and very disciplined by team Trump. Trump's down there personally meeting with moms who have

01:30:43.000 lost children to illegal immigrant violence, people who came under the Harris Biden administration

01:30:49.160 and committed just these disgusting murders, a mother of five. It's been horrible, horrible to watch,

01:30:55.720 and it's been effective. But he's also doing some other stuff that's kind of interesting. Now,

01:31:01.620 you guys know me in sports, Rich. And yes, I did listen to Andy yesterday, and I do now know how

01:31:06.620 to catch a foul ball if I go to Yankee Stadium. You got to go for the batting practice. We got to go

01:31:11.160 for the batting practice. Andy and I should take you to a Mets or Yankees game at some point.

01:31:15.780 I would need the translation. So, but he's been, he did the thing with the very popular golfer.

01:31:22.780 And then he sat down with this very popular young podcaster named Theo Vaughn. And they had this

01:31:29.640 exchange about cocaine, which has got almost 10 million views, almost 10 million views on YouTube.

01:31:37.060 I'm going to show you part of it.

01:31:38.260 How did you get addicted? How, how did?

01:31:41.420 No, I would just do cocaine. That was really, yeah. So not just, yeah.

01:31:46.280 That's, that's down and, that's down and dirty, right?

01:31:49.180 Yeah. And this is, yeah, this, I mean, it was, yeah.

01:31:51.300 But you don't anymore?

01:31:52.380 No, I don't do it anymore, man. And I'm not doing it.

01:31:54.240 Is it too much, too much to handle?

01:31:56.060 Some of the stuff started to get a real rattle in it too. I don't know where we were even getting

01:32:00.500 it from in this country, but yeah, it started to make me feel like I was a mechanic or something.

01:32:04.640 So the thing you go back to then is alcohol for the most part.

01:32:07.420 Right. Yeah. But what I want probably is cocaine, but I know that if I have a drink,

01:32:11.800 then it'll give me, it'll like be like, okay, well, I had a drink, then I can do this.

01:32:15.900 Is cocaine a stronger, uh, up?

01:32:19.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:32:21.020 So you're way up with cocaine more than anything else you can think of.

01:32:24.880 Cocaine will turn you into a damn owl, homie. You know what I'm saying? It'll, you'll be,

01:32:28.400 you'll be out on your own porch, you know, you'll, you'll be your own street lamp.

01:32:37.420 Again, this interview, it's got 10 million views and this is who they need. They need young guys

01:32:45.880 who are motivated. You know how this whole thing's gotten into like the matriarchy and the patriarchy

01:32:50.200 and versus her mom, a lot, whatever. Yeah.

01:32:53.980 You tell me, Rich, this seems like a very smart thing to do.

01:32:57.480 Well, you know, I had a similar conversation with him when I had lunch with him in Bedminster about

01:33:01.460 a year ago. It was during the Bud Light thing. And I was talking about Bud Light and how it's

01:33:05.440 terrible. It doesn't really taste like anything. He's like, wait, you can taste beers. Beers taste

01:33:09.240 different. I was like, what a weird question that occurred to me. He doesn't drink. So he has no

01:33:12.340 idea. So yeah. But, um, yeah, he needs, he needs to do these kinds of things to get, um, above and

01:33:18.440 beyond the traditional media that obviously either doesn't want to cover him or is not going to give

01:33:22.360 him a fair shake. And then the border event, I do wonder if the rallies themselves kind of outlive

01:33:28.120 their usefulness because the media is now so obsessed with playing up the riffs and they're

01:33:32.420 always riffs, right? He wants to entertain himself and wants to entertain the crowd. So, so, you know,

01:33:37.760 that that's what happened in Georgia. We're just talking about Brian Kemp. It's not like he talked

01:33:40.860 about Brian Kemp for 90 minutes, but you talk about him for five minutes. If you've been on message the

01:33:45.100 rest of the time, all that gets ignored. And all we hear is, is that you attack the sitting

01:33:49.580 Republican government. So doing these thematic events, issue-based events, I think you should

01:33:53.180 do more of them, you know, sit down with, um, families of victims of, of, uh, around a round

01:33:58.480 table, victims of, uh, fentanyl or, or sit down with hard hat guys who work, work, uh, you know,

01:34:03.980 and, uh, fracking and natural gas industry in, in Western Pennsylvania. And will he stray? Yeah,

01:34:09.140 of course he will. But it's also really good in those, those kinds of personalized settings. And it,

01:34:13.920 and it guarantees you're at least getting coverage that you had an event about this. So,

01:34:18.280 that's what's critical in the local press. Yeah. But, but again, as we were talking about

01:34:24.560 earlier, he's got a, a much harder challenge with Kamala Harris now and is really, you know,

01:34:29.580 in 16 and 20, he both kind of, he, he wandered a lot and then he kind of closed, uh, well,

01:34:35.100 well enough to win in 16, not quite in 20, but he, he, the closing needs to start pretty soon

01:34:39.840 and it is going to have to be good. All those things that is suggest more discipline,

01:34:45.500 you know, making up with Brian Kemp. That's good. Accepting the RFKJ deal. If that's,

01:34:51.900 what's going to happen, that's good going down to the border to create local news opportunities.

01:34:56.300 Cause really what matters is not the net that the national media picks it up, but that the local

01:34:59.580 picks it up and that the local people in Arizona, see what you did and see the problem and are reminded

01:35:04.320 of how it could creep into their lives. That's good. So all those things are good. We're done with

01:35:08.640 the democratic national convention. Thank God I didn't. I mean, it was just painful. I just had four

01:35:13.480 nights of pain, but I do it because I love you guys. I love all of you. Love you, Rich and Charles

01:35:18.140 too. Thank you for being here. Thanks Megan. Um, thanks for having us next week. Yeah. Uh,

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The Megyn Kelly Show - August 23, 2024

Kamala Harris' Empty Vessel Campaign, and Trump Makes Up With Kemp, with Charles C.W. Cooke and Rich Lowry ｜ Ep. 869

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