The Megyn Kelly Show - Kamala Harris' Shadow Presidency, and Which ＂White Dude＂ Harris Will Pick as VP, with Ben Shapiro, Tara Palmeri, and Shelby Talcott

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.820 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. It is Monday, July 29th,

00:00:17.380 and Kamala Harris appears to be the President of the United States. At least that's the way

00:00:22.160 she's talking, and she's being portrayed that way. Would you look at this cover of New York

00:00:27.760 Magazine this week? Welcome to Camelot, spelled with a K for the listening audience,

00:00:34.640 with all of the dancing happy Democrats and celebs from Clooney to Beyonce to Chuck Schumer.

00:00:43.380 The reinvention of this woman is being driven by the Pravda-esque media coverage she has received

00:00:50.760 over the past eight days during this coronation, all with the intended effect of making America forget

00:00:56.500 both her problems and those of the actual President of the United States, with whom she's been working

00:01:03.360 for four years to impose failing policies. Remember Joe Biden? Is he even around still?

00:01:09.880 Is he actually still the President? We'll get to why exactly we are starting to wonder.

00:01:17.140 The failures of the Biden-Harris administration are being completely ignored, all in the service

00:01:22.300 of remaking Kamala Harris and the 2024 race. And guess what? It's working. Joining me now,

00:01:30.020 Ben Shapiro, host of The Ben Shapiro Show and editor emeritus of The Daily Wire.

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00:02:31.660 Ben, welcome back. It's working, as we're now seeing in a couple of polls. And I'll just kick

00:02:38.520 it off with the Wall Street Journal today. The headline this morning, well, the other morning,

00:02:43.820 Harris erases Trump's lead. Wall Street Journal poll finds. Talks about how they are now two points

00:02:50.920 away from one another. He's 49, she's 47 within the margin of error. When he was facing Biden,

00:02:56.280 he had a six-point lead just earlier this month. And he is, she is making up ground with Blacks,

00:03:02.220 Latinos, and young voters. In particular, they're looking at battleground states like Arizona,

00:03:08.060 Nevada, Georgia, North Carolina, the Sun Belt states, which are more racially and ethnically

00:03:12.500 diverse. And going on as follows. This is the stat I want to give you. Only 37% of Biden voters

00:03:20.080 were enthusiastic about him in early July. 81% of Harris voters are enthusiastic about her,

00:03:28.420 says one of the pollsters. One was a Dem, one was a Republican. This is an astounding change.

00:03:34.380 And Ben, is it any wonder, given what we've seen in the last eight days?

00:03:39.380 Not at all. I mean, I think there's a combination of factors. As you mentioned, the media are trying

00:03:43.600 to convince themselves that they are in love with Kamala Harris after years of recognizing what a

00:03:47.280 political incompetent and buffoon she is. But I think what this really is, is just the sugar high

00:03:51.540 of Joe Biden being out of the race. No matter who was going to succeed Joe Biden, Joe Biden being

00:03:55.700 gone is giving them a temporary feeling of euphoria that I think could wear off before the election.

00:04:01.760 The problem, of course, is that this is now an incredibly compressed election cycle. It's about

00:04:05.540 100 days from here until the election. So the question is, can they pull off the magic trick

00:04:09.620 for the next three months? Or is this varnish going to start to wear fairly quickly? I mean,

00:04:14.300 obviously, there's a lot of damaging material on Kamala Harris. She's not very good at

00:04:17.120 politics. And these national campaigns tend to strip the veneer off people fairly quickly. I

00:04:22.000 mean, how many national candidates have we seen over the course of our lifetimes,

00:04:25.480 you know, where you watch them at the beginning, they're brand shiny new. And within about a month

00:04:29.200 and a half, they're not wearing particularly well. Kamala Harris does not wear well. But at the same

00:04:33.280 time, if she never faces a single difficult question, if she never has to do an interview where

00:04:37.000 she's asked about her border policy, if she can simply continue doing what she's been doing the last

00:04:41.000 week, that's a very uphill battle for Republicans. They are now trying to make it into, well,

00:04:48.680 it really, she'd put herself out there to anybody. I'm sure she'd be happy to sit with for an interview

00:04:52.460 with me, with you. But what she'd really like to do, Ben, is debate. But Donald Trump is too scared.

00:04:59.880 That is the narrative dominating the contest between the two of them. Pete Buttigieg out there saying,

00:05:06.360 can you believe, like, has it ever happened that a candidate has agreed to a debate and then

00:05:12.900 withdrawn from the debate? Because Trump agreed to this ABC debate with President Joe Biden,

00:05:20.120 who is no longer running, and she thinks she should get exactly the same terms and same agreement

00:05:24.780 as Biden got. Well, guess what? She's not getting it. Yeah, I mean, that's an absurdity. And it's

00:05:29.660 ridiculous that they're trying to literally do a bait and switch here. He's a different candidate

00:05:33.920 saying that you agreed to a debate with Joe Biden under certain conditions anytime, anywhere. It's

00:05:37.940 not the same thing as saying that you agreed to debate Kamala Harris anytime, anywhere. And again,

00:05:43.040 I think this is going to be a tempest in a teapot. They will work out terms of a debate. I would

00:05:46.840 certainly hope that George Stephanopoulos is not the moderator of that debate. But again, right now,

00:05:51.760 the amount of momentum that Harris has, it's hard to tell how much of it is sort of air sat and just,

00:05:56.640 again, inflating the balloon and how much of it is real. What is certainly true is that the lack

00:06:01.700 of enthusiasm that was attendant on Biden's candidacy immediately upon his debate. All of that

00:06:07.920 has dissipated. And let's be real about this. It's not as though Kamala has jumped to a five-point

00:06:12.360 lead. Kamala is still basically dead even with Trump. A lot of these states that he was getting

00:06:18.160 blown away in Biden are now a lot closer, like Michigan or like Georgia. But the race basically

00:06:23.860 reverted to the pre-debate state. It didn't revert to Joe Biden versus Donald Trump 2020. It reverted

00:06:29.740 to like February. And in February, Kamala Harris was running like a point or two behind Trump.

00:06:35.700 And she's still running a point or two behind Trump. I do think that the next three weeks in

00:06:39.380 momentum are going to be very strong for Kamala Harris. She's going to pick some sort of VP

00:06:43.080 candidate, a little bit of Josh Shapiro or Mark Kelly or Gretchen Whitmer, somebody who is from a

00:06:47.720 swing state. I think that she'd be well-advised to do that. And then she's going to have the

00:06:50.960 convention. So you would expect her to get a little bit of a bump over the next three weeks. And then

00:06:54.780 we'll see if they can make fetch happen by continuing to pretend that Kamala Harris is actually

00:06:59.580 really good at those. Well, they're doing their level best. I mean, you tune into any channel

00:07:05.600 right now other than Fox and you will see, I mean, not only are they're giddy, but the reinvention of

00:07:11.680 this woman as truly a Jesus-like figure is kind of stomach turning. Here's just a sampling of what

00:07:18.440 we've been seeing. We spent three weeks sitting outside the ICU with a death watch for democracy.

00:07:26.380 One little heartbeat of hope. Kamala Harris raising her hand and saying, I'll take care of this.

00:07:31.520 That is the type of grassroots mobilization and engagement that does remind me of Barack Obama.

00:07:38.360 Recognize what Vice President Kamala Harris has been able to accomplish in less than one week.

00:07:43.560 A thunderous crescendo rumbling its way across every corner of American political and civic and

00:07:50.380 cultural life. The crown jewel of endorsements for any Democrat. President Barack Obama officially

00:07:56.240 endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris. They're so excited. They're just so excited. They're so

00:08:02.420 energized. It's historic. Just walking through the streets, every other conversation on the street

00:08:10.400 was, who should be her running mate? The excitement is palpable. It was a twinkle in her eye and I got

00:08:15.900 chills. She said, Donald Trump, I know your type. I was blown away. I was like, I kind of fell in love

00:08:22.380 with her. I just thought it was a great, great opening act. Ben. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't.

00:08:30.820 I just, I can't. I'm sorry. Kamala Harris is the crazy laugh lady. She's the smug smiling lady.

00:08:38.120 She's the queen of smarm. She's like, what are we doing here? The attempt to, again, turn her into

00:08:43.640 Barack Obama circa 2008. The truth is her campaign is a lot more like Barack Obama circa 2012, meaning

00:08:48.800 she's got a very unpopular set of policies behind her. She's running an incredibly intersectional

00:08:53.440 campaign. You've already seen her bringing forth her campaign as like white dudes for Kamala,

00:08:58.540 white women for Kamala. A very weird way to do your campaign. And again, she hasn't faced a single

00:09:03.820 difficult question since she ascended to the throne here in a non-democratic coup by the Democratic Party.

00:09:09.600 So yeah, again, this is, this will be her high point. And I'm having a hard time really telling

00:09:15.840 whether this is enthusiasm for Kamala or this is just, I can't, thank God we got rid of the old

00:09:19.800 man. I mean, it's unprecedented. They did get rid of the old man. They got rid of the corpse and now

00:09:23.360 they have, you know, a lukewarm body in there as opposed to, you know, the moldering corpse of the

00:09:28.040 president of the United States. She so far has basically given some campaign speeches and friendly

00:09:33.120 scenarios. She's not done a single national interview. Again, I just think that the varnish can't

00:09:38.780 continue this way. This is this sort of, of course they're excited. Why wouldn't they be excited? They

00:09:42.120 just went from a 0% chance to win the presidency to a 50% chance to win the presidency. And so they are

00:09:47.060 doing the same thing that every baseball fan does the first day of the season. Like, oh my God, my team

00:09:51.540 could win the World Series. Well, maybe, and then maybe not. And so we'll have to see whether she

00:09:56.160 actually has better chops than she presented in 2019, 2020, when she ran the single worst

00:09:59.760 presidential campaign in modern history. I mean, any, any interview that she gives will be with a

00:10:06.280 very friendly outlet who will ask her only softballs. That's very clear. So they'll keep

00:10:13.140 the mystique going. They, they all realize that the election is on the line. The media will respond

00:10:17.660 accordingly. So I don't have a lot of hopes about that, but the debate could be interesting. And they,

00:10:22.320 I agree with you. They'll come to terms on something and maybe we'll get more than one,

00:10:25.900 uh, you know, at this point, who knows right now, we'll probably get at least one. You mentioned the

00:10:30.120 white dudes for Kamala and white women for Kamala, just in case the listening audience wasn't paying

00:10:35.140 attention. This is a little of how the white women for Kamala zoom call that broke zoom with its

00:10:42.560 a hundred thousand participants. We broke zoom, uh, sounded. Don't want to be cheering like a

00:10:49.560 spectator from the stands. I want to be laid out crying the tears of joy and exhaustion and

00:10:55.660 connectedness that is only ever felt by the team who left it all on the field together.

00:11:02.240 Enduring the discomfort, the risk, the pain, the backlash, that is the work.

00:11:08.440 That's why white women so rarely do this work because it's not safe.

00:11:12.500 The bad news is that a majority of white women repeatedly vote for Republicans because too many

00:11:16.820 of us believe consciously or subconsciously that it is in our best interest to use our privilege and

00:11:22.080 our support systems of white supremacy and the patriarchy to benefit us.

00:11:27.540 Have you seen Kamala glisten in the brilliance and shine of her true power and leadership?

00:11:34.420 And what does that feel like? It feels like self-love.

00:11:38.340 Um, we are here because as if you were here earlier, you've heard BIPOC women have tapped us in

00:11:44.100 as white women to step up, listen, and get involved this election season.

00:11:48.580 Don't make it about yourself. As white women, we need to use our privilege to make positive

00:11:54.080 changes. If you find yourself talking over or speaking for BIPOC individuals or God forbid,

00:12:01.380 correcting them, just take a beat. And instead we can put our listening ears on.

00:12:05.680 Because she is a woman, she also will listen and lead with empathy, integrity, and the power of the

00:12:18.340 truth. Trust this moment, my fellow white women.

00:12:24.660 Oh, she's right, Ben. I don't know if you're aware, but when we got our vaginas,

00:12:28.880 we got a truth telling vibe that you men just don't have. It's a little known secret of women.

00:12:34.160 I really appreciate Connie Britton underlying, underscoring that for everybody.

00:12:38.780 I mean, they can't even define what a woman is. Half of men are women, according to these people.

00:12:42.960 And I think that you brought me on to torture me here, Megan. Honestly, I feel like Linda Blair

00:12:48.080 and the Exorcist. I'm going to start, my head's going to spin 360 degrees with vomit just going

00:12:52.080 in all directions because what the hell are we watching right now? Like this is, this is the campaign.

00:12:57.480 Karen's for Kamala over here. Like this is going to be the campaign. It's, it's,

00:13:00.920 it's the most difficult thing to watch, but you're right that again, it's all about sort of the,

00:13:05.080 the vibe and it's about the vibe shift. And I think the thing that they're forgetting,

00:13:09.640 and you started to see them discuss this a little bit openly, Kamala may be sort of abandoning the

00:13:15.080 entire blue wall strategy. They've been saying that she's not going to do well with rural men,

00:13:20.320 particularly she can do very poorly. If you look at the 2020 election, one of the places where the

00:13:24.140 vote shifted among Democrats is that Biden weirdly enough did better among rural white men than the

00:13:30.100 Democrats had done with Hillary in 2016. And Trump actually outperformed in the cities a little

00:13:35.260 bit. And what you're, you're starting to see is sort of a replica of 2016 in the sense that a lot

00:13:40.080 of rural white men and older people are not going to vote for Kamala Harris who might've voted for

00:13:44.080 Joe Biden. People are forgetting that Biden did have some strengths vis-a-vis Kamala Harris. All

00:13:47.740 those strengths were obliterated by the fact that he was completely senile on a vegetable.

00:13:51.100 But before that he had many advantages against Kamala Harris, which is why he was hesitant to drop out of

00:13:55.860 the race in the first place. It's why reportedly Barack Obama didn't even want him to drop out of the

00:13:59.300 race in favor of Kamala Harris. So if you think that this sort of Hillary Clinton, 2016 DNC fight

00:14:05.500 song vibe is going to win you Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, I think not, which is why you're

00:14:10.060 starting to sell these articles cropping up about, well, you know, maybe she'll just take Arizona or

00:14:13.760 maybe she'll take Georgia or maybe she'll take Nevada. I haven't seen a lot of poll movement in

00:14:17.220 say Nevada or Arizona that suggests that she's going to win either of those two states. So, you know,

00:14:21.420 I say this is a tough race for Republicans and it is in the sense that it has radically shifted.

00:14:24.860 They're going to have to move on a dime and start attacking her on interest policy. But this is

00:14:29.740 not the easiest race for Kamala Harris either. And it's not as though it's a foregone conclusion

00:14:34.180 that she is going to waltz her way directly to the White House on the basis of her strong and

00:14:38.960 virile coalition. That's the thing is, yes, the media is disgusting. They're absolutely disgusting and

00:14:47.180 dishonest in their promotion of this one candidate. But we've seen this before. And is it really any

00:14:54.520 worse than it was back in 2016 when Trump was running against Hillary Clinton? I mean,

00:15:00.840 he can win, notwithstanding all of the media being against him. It's just not that easy.

00:15:08.740 Yes. I mean, one of the things that I saw is that there was a poll that showed that her approval

00:15:12.460 rating had spiked, right? She had this massive spike in approval rating that everybody was talking

00:15:15.920 about. It spiked from 35% approval to 44% approval. I noticed that 44 is not 60. It's not even 50,

00:15:23.360 right? This is not somebody who is now wildly popular with the American public. What it means

00:15:26.840 is that she got the coming home effect that Biden had lost after the debate.

00:15:30.420 And so we are basically, as we say, back to status quo ante before the debate, which means a very tight

00:15:35.220 race. It means that the Republicans, I know a lot of folks have been put on like, how is Trump going

00:15:38.760 to campaign? What's he going to say? Trump's going to campaign how he campaigns and he's going to say

00:15:42.240 what he's going to say. The thing that I am very much focused on for the Republican Party right now,

00:15:45.920 is what is your get out the vote effort like? That's almost the only thing that matters at

00:15:49.720 this point, because we're back to, again, the base is going to come out for Trump. The base is

00:15:53.940 probably going to come out for Kamala. The independents are likely to split close down the

00:15:58.100 middle, something like that. And what that means is that you really have to have a great voter

00:16:02.220 turnout effort. What does the Republican voter turnout effort look like? Because one thing we know about

00:16:05.800 Democrats is they are absolute professionals about this sort of stuff.

00:16:10.840 What's the update on that? I really feel like it's been outsourced to Turning Point USA.

00:16:14.240 I feel like Charlie Kirk is like the game plan. I'm not sure. The RNC is raising money,

00:16:19.680 but who really is in control here? Because most of the vote-by-mail systems that were put in place

00:16:26.240 in 2020, and these more blue-leaning states or purple states in particular, remain in place.

00:16:32.000 Yes. So, you know, as far as Charlie, we'd have to ask Charlie exactly what his plans are. But

00:16:36.160 I'm seeing the same reports that you are, which is that Turning Point has been given an enormous

00:16:40.240 amount of leeway, authority, and they've raised an enormous amount of capital in order to do

00:16:43.680 massive get-out-the-vote effort. I don't know what their record is in terms of national get-out-the-vote

00:16:48.120 effort. Listen, if it had been me, if I'd been the RNC, my first move would have been, I'd go exactly

00:16:52.420 to whoever ran Ron DeSantis' team in Florida, which is the only place that had a great voter

00:16:56.320 turnout record in 2022. And I get all those people, whatever you think of Ron DeSantis. And again,

00:17:00.100 I think he's the best governor in America, but he's not the nominee. I would have gotten his team

00:17:03.280 that did voter turnout to do that nationally. That would have been like my number one priority if I were the RNC.

00:17:07.400 But that's not what's happening. And we have no idea how Republicans are feeling right now about

00:17:14.600 mail-in voting. You've been railing on this too for years now, that Trump has been all over the

00:17:19.160 board on it. Up until very recently, he was against it. He was vocally against it. And that's why

00:17:24.840 Republicans in part have been losing a lot because the Democrats love the mail-in voting, but the

00:17:30.140 Republicans don't trust the mail-in voting. They think some Democrats going to get their ballot and

00:17:34.480 throw it in the garbage and replace it, you know, with a Dem ballot or just keep it in the garbage and then

00:17:39.180 outdo them at the polls. And I understand that concern. But the truth is, if Republicans don't start

00:17:44.120 taking advantage of vote by mail, they're going to keep losing.

00:17:46.940 That's 100% true. And it's particularly true because the Republican base, now that Biden is out, is going to go

00:17:51.640 back to being a disproportionately older base. So Trump is outperforming among young voters, what he did in

00:17:56.640 2020, 2016. But Biden was doing really shockingly well among older voters, which is unusual because

00:18:02.240 usually older voters tend to vote Republican. He was doing slightly better among that group, actually

00:18:06.480 a lot better than he was in 2020, even as he was dropping other parts of his voting constituency.

00:18:11.300 And now a lot of those people, I would assume, are going to revert back to Trump. Those people are

00:18:15.200 exactly the types of people who you want to vote by mail because, you know, Grandma's 75. Is she going to

00:18:19.880 get up and get in the car and actually go to the polling place? Or is it easier for her to do that two

00:18:23.260 months in advance of the election? You know, you're talking about the differences between the

00:18:27.480 Biden numbers and the Harris numbers, and they are stark. They are stark. You're right. I mean,

00:18:32.020 the Democrats right now do have reason to dance because for the first time, their chances have,

00:18:37.300 you know, come back. They've come alive. And I saw an interesting post over the weekend. Forgive me

00:18:43.040 because I can't remember who posted it, but I was like, that's a very interesting question.

00:18:47.260 It said, the biggest mistake Trump has made in this election contest

00:18:52.340 was agreeing to debate Joe Biden, which is so interesting, Ben, isn't it? Right? Everybody

00:18:58.480 thinks that was Joe Biden's mistake, but was it Trump's mistake? I mean, I think that it's hard

00:19:05.180 to say in retrospect, it was his mistake because I don't think anyone knew that the Democrats would

00:19:10.040 be stupid enough to actually put a potato out there to debate. I mean, I think that was the core

00:19:15.480 assumption that everybody had is that he was going to look like State of the Union, Joe, and that Trump

00:19:19.860 would, you know, overcome him. He'd do better than Biden did. But when he came out and he was staring

00:19:24.280 at ghosts and looked like the only person is like the end of the sixth sense, he's the only person

00:19:29.220 in the room who didn't know he was dead. Well, when it was that, instead of just a normal bad debate

00:19:33.680 performance, I think that was so earth shattering. I can't believe that Trump even could have been

00:19:38.180 expected to do all that. I will say that maybe all of us deserve a little bit of blame because we

00:19:42.320 all agreed and pointed out the truth. Maybe we all could have done what the media did and just lied

00:19:45.860 about him. Maybe we should have been like, actually, he did better than expected. And I thought that he was

00:19:49.020 actually pretty lively, right? I mean, we should have done exactly what the legacy media do and just

00:19:52.960 lie about what we saw right in front of our eyes. Actually, you know, he's incredibly virile. You

00:19:57.120 know, did you see how articulate he was? He would have stayed in the race and then Trump would have

00:20:00.960 won. So, oh, well, honestly, it's an interesting thought in retrospect. Like if Trump loses this

00:20:07.580 election, will people look back and say he never should have agreed to that debate? They could have

00:20:12.540 kept Biden behind closed doors. The enthusiasm would have stayed low. He wouldn't have had a reason

00:20:16.860 to force, you know, Biden out of the race. I hadn't thought about it that way at all,

00:20:21.060 but I can see the logic. The second point on the, this, this tweet that I'm not remembering who's

00:20:26.460 the author of it, but, um, was that the second mistake that Trump has made in this race was

00:20:32.200 picking J.D. Vance. And I know you raised a similar question and, you know, I, without regard to

00:20:40.040 whether people like J.D. or don't like J.D. or wanted J.D. or don't, didn't want J.D. That's a,

00:20:46.060 that's a question worth exploring now that the race has changed and Biden's out and Kamala's in

00:20:51.520 because now it's going to be all about race. It's going to be all about gender. Every little comment,

00:20:57.520 not just J.D. or Trump make about women or minorities will be blown up as front page news items

00:21:03.700 for days, but anything, any Republican says, you know, it was like some, some Republican talking

00:21:09.500 head on CNN said something, which they spent a week hitting on from the Kamala Harris team.

00:21:17.060 So nevermind if it comes from the vice president or the presidential nominee. So what do you think

00:21:21.300 of that second question? So, you know, do I think that I think there's only one rule of vice

00:21:25.860 presidential candidates and that is they shouldn't be able to damage you. Meaning that the vice

00:21:30.820 presidential candidates rarely have an upside. There's always this talk of like,

00:21:33.520 you're going to pick a VP, the VP is going to win his home state. That really doesn't materialize

00:21:37.120 very often at all. Nate Silver tried to quantify this. He suggested that maybe a vice presidential

00:21:41.580 candidate in best case scenario might be worth like 0.4 of a percentage point in their home state.

00:21:46.740 So the, again, I don't think that you can count on your VP to really add this massive upside to your

00:21:52.680 candidacy. The one thing you can do is sort of damage control. I don't think that J.D. is like a

00:21:57.620 massive downside guy. I just think of the pick of J.D. and again, I think J.D.'s brilliant,

00:22:02.160 but I think that the pick of J.D. is more of a blown opportunity by Trump. So let's go back a

00:22:07.100 couple of weeks to the RNC and Trump is beating the hell out of Biden in the polls. Let's say

00:22:11.420 instead of going J.D., he goes, say, Glenn Youngkin, right? Who's the kind of the last

00:22:15.220 alternative pick and the one who I understand Susie Wiles, who's his campaign manager, was pushing

00:22:20.160 for. So Youngkin is a relatively popular governor of a purple state, deeply inoffensive to pretty much

00:22:25.720 everybody across the aisle. They would have attacked him, but he'd already been battle tested because

00:22:29.320 he'd already run a very rough gubernatorial race in Virginia. And let's say that Trump had

00:22:34.320 done two things. Let's say he picked J.D. and that he picked Youngkin, rather. And let's say

00:22:38.660 that his acceptance speech had gone 35 minutes and not 93. Let's say that he had told his story

00:22:43.200 of the assassination attempt, said a couple more words about unity and then stopped. I think there's

00:22:47.900 a good shot the election's over no matter what, because the feeling of momentum that Trump is

00:22:52.460 actually a unity candidate, bring the party together, trying to open new spaces for the Republican

00:22:56.520 party, as opposed to doing with J.D. what I think everyone sort of agrees was a legacy pick,

00:23:01.740 an attempt to turn Trump personally into a Trumpism or bring somebody on who's very personally loyal

00:23:07.180 to Donald Trump. I don't see exactly what J.D. as a pick did. I said this at the time. I'm not sure

00:23:12.760 what it did as a pick to add votes to the Trump coalition. Trump already does amazing with exactly

00:23:18.280 the Rust Belt audiences that J.D. mostly appeals to in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. In fact,

00:23:23.280 Trump has wildly outperformed J.D. in the one state where they both competed in Ohio. And by the way,

00:23:27.780 so did Mike DeWine, right? Mike DeWine, the governor of Ohio, who's way too moderate for

00:23:30.640 most Republicans. That guy won his gubernatorial race by 20 in the same election cycle where J.D.

00:23:34.900 won by six. So, yeah. By the way, that's the reason why Vivek Ramaswamy will not be the next

00:23:39.640 senator from Ohio. That is that is the reason. That's 100 percent right. So, again, I think that

00:23:44.660 the pick of J.D. is more a missed opportunity than it is like a massive downside pick. I also think

00:23:51.380 that the beauty of Trump as a candidate is that there's nothing to attack him on because he's

00:23:55.640 already been attacked on everything. Right. As I've said about Trump for almost a decade at this

00:23:59.100 point, he's a mud monster. So if you throw more mud at him, it's just more mud on the mud monster.

00:24:02.780 And it's total he's black socks. It never gets dirty. The longer you wear them, the blacker they

00:24:06.240 get. Right. That's Donald Trump is a candidate. No matter what you no matter what you do to Trump,

00:24:10.400 it just looks like more Trump. The problem with bringing on a very fresh face who's never been

00:24:14.240 battle tested in a gubernatorial race, for example, is that all this stuff is fresh. And J.D. is

00:24:18.960 particularly fresh because all of us, I mean, you've said it, I've said we've all said stuff

00:24:22.880 over the course of our political careers that, you know, don't sound great out of context.

00:24:27.740 The thing is that most of us said it like 10 years ago. J.D., because his trajectory was so short,

00:24:31.880 he went from running a Senate race in 2021 to being the vice presidential candidate in 2024.

00:24:36.400 That means your vetting period is super duper short. And so the time period when he went from,

00:24:40.780 you know, being on Tucker and saying kind of funny and inflammatory things to being the vice

00:24:44.300 presidential candidate is incredibly short. Now, does that mean that it's not unfair? Of course,

00:24:48.100 it's unbelievably unfair what they're doing to J.D. They're deliberately misreading what he was

00:24:53.240 saying. They're trying to now suggest that he is a weirdo. And again, I think that what that really

00:24:57.900 is is a defensive maneuver in order to prevent people from recognizing the true weirdo in this

00:25:01.920 race is Kamala Harris. She's a weird lady. And the Democrats. Yes, it's a weird party and she's a

00:25:07.240 weird lady. And again, I mean, that's just in the typical sense, like the weird cackling, the strange

00:25:12.400 smiling, the weird hand motions, the word salad straight from soup plantation, like all of it's weird.

00:25:18.100 And then you juxtapose that with his family policy where he says, basically, it's good to have kids

00:25:23.140 like that's supposed to be weird. She's with RuPaul's drag race doing get out the vote. I mean,

00:25:28.040 just on a raw level, that's a little weirder. It's like a little weird. So I think they're

00:25:31.920 trying to sort of jujitsu this into J.D. is a weirdo. With all that put aside, do I think that

00:25:37.420 Trump could have made a more politically savvy pick to win the election than J.D.? Yes,

00:25:41.320 but I don't think that's what he was doing with J.D.

00:25:42.600 I think there's a couple of things on that pick. Yes, legacy pick 100 percent. But I also think

00:25:48.980 there's a real fear in the inner Trump circle that something could be done to Trump, you know,

00:25:57.920 that if the VP is too attractive to the establishment, to the intelligence community,

00:26:04.400 that that they could try to take Trump out in some way. There's a report from the Wall Street

00:26:08.800 Journal. Yeah, there's an assassination or something less. I don't know exactly what I'm

00:26:13.280 implying or what they're implying, but I know there's a real fear of if the second in command

00:26:17.260 is too attractive to the establishment, it endangers Trump. You go. I mean, so, OK,

00:26:22.640 that was reported. I think the Wall Street Journal reported that Tucker actually said that directly

00:26:26.220 to Trump that you need to say you need to have like a VP insurance policy, somebody who's not going to

00:26:31.960 be so wonderful that you get shot at. The reason I think that that's a particularly stupid line,

00:26:37.240 just generally speaking, is they literally tried to shoot him the week before and he didn't have

00:26:40.880 a vice presidential candidate. So I don't think it's about who he was going to pick for his VP.

00:26:46.280 I think that people who want him to die just kind of want him to die. And it's not as though,

00:26:49.960 oh, my God, I'm thinking this thing through. If I shoot Trump, oh, my God, I'm gonna get J.D.

00:26:52.920 And that's gonna be so much worse. I probably better preserve Trump's life. I don't know that

00:26:56.000 there's any assassin who thinks that way. Well, you heard Don Jr. Don Jr. explicitly said

00:27:01.420 when people were saying, pick Nikki Haley. He said that he'll be impeached in two seconds,

00:27:06.400 in two seconds, if he wins, if she's his number two. And I take that point. I think that's part

00:27:12.620 of the point they're making. I mean, the only reason that I disagree with that is they would

00:27:15.620 impeach him in two seconds if Mike Pence were his vice president, because they did twice. Like,

00:27:19.640 again, I think that we're ignoring the control. The control here is that they will impeach him no

00:27:23.080 matter what. I mean, are we pretending? You don't think there's a greater temptation if you've got

00:27:26.760 like a Haley or a Youngkin who they love. They don't love, but they loved Haley. And they would

00:27:31.940 tolerate Youngkin more than, you know, a MAGA type like J.D. I think it's an incremental temptation.

00:27:37.500 Let's put it this way. The 99% want to impeach Donald Trump no matter what. And now they're like

00:27:41.760 99.4%, depending on who exactly is the vice president. I don't think that you select the

00:27:46.400 vice president on the basis that they might be slightly nicer to you if you pick somebody who is

00:27:50.880 slightly worse for them as vice president. Again, like if you're Trump and you're just gaming out how to win,

00:27:55.260 like my main focus for Trump is how do you win? Right. I'm a donor to his campaign.

00:27:59.240 I want him to win. Like, I don't all of this is like assuming he wins. How about we get to like

00:28:03.740 the part where he wins and then we worry about what what comes next? I would like him to win.

00:28:08.220 Don't you think you and I how many times we're on the air together in 1516? Right. When back when

00:28:13.180 we were I was at Fox, they are going to do they would have done to a Youngkin any anybody name

00:28:21.780 a Rubio, even a Nikki Haley. They would have done to them exactly what they're doing to J.D.

00:28:27.760 They're they take whatever they can. And they they they really wanted us to believe that Mitt Romney

00:28:33.000 was a sexist pig because of binders full of women. You know, we watch them do that. They would

00:28:36.860 definitely do with Youngkin what they did with Romney and Bain Capital. He's made all his money.

00:28:42.360 He exploits the little guy. He hates poor people. You know, they'll they'll find a different way in

00:28:47.480 on each of these candidates. They would go with Nikki Haley with the Boeing and the corporate

00:28:50.740 sponsorships. And she's on that. There's always something to go with with J.D. Yes,

00:28:55.520 he's made some, you know, provocative comments because he recently rose to fame on cable news

00:29:00.100 where you say provocative things. But I just don't think Trump would have been safer with one of

00:29:05.500 these other guys. So, again, I don't actually think that I agree with you. I don't think that

00:29:11.480 it's like if you pick Youngkin that they wouldn't have attacked Youngkin the same way. They certainly

00:29:14.720 would have. There are only really two questions. One is what's the upside on the candidate?

00:29:18.340 And one is how sticky are the attacks? Right. Those are those are really the two questions.

00:29:22.440 The question I always had about the J.D. pick, forget everything else, is what's the upside

00:29:25.640 on the pick? What do you get from the pick? Electorally speaking, where do you win the

00:29:29.660 additional votes that take you to the presidency based on based on the pick of J.D.? And then

00:29:34.580 the question is how sticky are things? And, you know, again, everyone's going to be attacked.

00:29:39.620 The stickiness with J.D. we have yet to see. I mean, I think it's a little early. I think

00:29:42.620 everybody's declaring it's super sticky. He's definitely going to be tarred for all time,

00:29:46.240 the same way that Dan Quayle was with misspelling potato or something. I think it's a little early

00:29:50.360 for that. He's been in the race for like two weeks. With that said, again, when when attacks

00:29:56.200 have been levied against you, if you're the governor of Virginia, they've been levied against

00:29:59.900 you for years and years and years. And then more attacks tend to bounce off of you quicker. Again,

00:30:03.920 maybe maybe that's not the way that it goes. But the thing I keep going back to is that I don't

00:30:08.540 see J.D. as a massive liability. I see more J.D. as like, was there a better opportunity to win

00:30:13.740 additional voters or to position yourself more toward the middle? Because the thing that Trump

00:30:17.160 has done that's actually extremely intelligent politically in this particular race is he has

00:30:21.500 taken up the positional middle ground on nearly every single issue because Biden was running to

00:30:25.900 the left. He has moved to the middle. And so the ability to go find somebody who sort of

00:30:30.880 doubles down on the, hey, you want a moderate? You want somebody who's like a stable moderate?

00:30:35.520 Then maybe you should pick me because, I mean, even look at my VP. That's a good indicator.

00:30:39.120 I mean, I know that's weird, but that's where we are. Right. Very stable. I do want to get to the

00:30:43.860 weird, the weird attacks because they themselves are weird. J.D. Vance is not weird. He's like

00:30:49.400 pretty much as normal as they get, which is why they consider him a threat. That's that is why

00:30:54.160 they're using a label that doesn't apply to him. And for the reasons you just stated. But it's

00:30:58.940 definitely a coordinated attack. Now, the second gentleman, Kamala Harris's husband said it.

00:31:05.340 Many, many others on the left keep reviving the weird comment before we went to air moments ago.

00:31:10.640 AOC put out a tweet calling him weird. J.D. And here's another sampling.

00:31:16.180 I don't think Kamala Harris is going to pick anyone as weird and creepy as J.D. Vance.

00:31:21.440 It demonstrates and shows us exactly what he believes in by selecting a J.D. Vance,

00:31:27.580 who is quite, you know, as the campaign said, weird.

00:31:32.460 The agenda, the way they talk to people, the way they address people, it is bizarre. It's weird. It

00:31:40.380 is weird. These are these are weird people on the other side. Donald Trump seems to be drifting away

00:31:45.240 from his own nominee because he's had so many weird views. Unfortunately, Vance's weird views are not

00:31:50.520 even winning praise from within his own party. Donald Trump and his weirdo running mate and the

00:31:54.980 Republican apparatus behind them will regroup. It's not just that he said a lot of things that

00:31:59.620 are weird. It's not just a weird style that he brings. It's that this leads to weird policies.

00:32:08.300 It's kind of weird how they all have the same messaging, Ben.

00:32:11.720 So apparently CNN and MSNBC used the word weird to describe J.D. Vance in the last two days over 150

00:32:17.820 times. So if you don't believe that they're all marching in lockstep and they don't get their

00:32:21.160 talking points from the DNC, they 100 percent do. So on my show today, I talked a little bit about

00:32:26.400 the sort of weird slur and the fact that they're using this. Again, to me, this is all projection

00:32:30.760 because there are only two ways in which a candidate is weird. One is sort of interpersonally weird,

00:32:35.260 right? So you might say somebody who laughs strangely and who starts jabbering about coconut

00:32:40.080 trees. That might be a little weird. J.D. is not that right. When J.D. talks, J.D. is actually

00:32:44.240 perfectly normal. You watch him on TV, you watch him give a speech. He's like a normal person

00:32:48.080 who is talking. If anything, he lies on the sort of dull side in terms of his sort of affect, right?

00:32:53.860 He's not somebody who's electric on TV. He's not like the vague, very live, right? He is exactly

00:33:00.560 kind of normal when he's on TV. And then there's weird positionally. And here's where he gets

00:33:05.060 something sort of fascinating. According to the left, what makes you weird is believing that it

00:33:09.320 is actually of moral benefit to the United States for people to have children. That's J.D.'s actual

00:33:13.540 position. It also happens to be the biologically correct position, which is that if you wish society to

00:33:17.260 propagate itself, it's very important that on a moral level, people have kids. Now, when J.D. was

00:33:22.700 on Tucker's show, he phrased this in the negative. When he was on your show, he phrased it in the

00:33:25.800 positive. The positive is if you have kids, you should get tax benefits because it's good for

00:33:29.380 society for people to have kids. That's totally inarguable. That I think is perfectly obvious

00:33:34.260 because he phrased it in the negative on Tucker and then used some sort of cable news language about

00:33:37.740 cat ladies. That's what they're glomming on to. They're saying he's positionally weird.

00:33:41.360 What is more positionally weird? That people ought to have kids and that society ought to incentivize

00:33:45.500 its citizens to have children. Or is it weirder to suggest that society ought to be completely

00:33:50.280 apathetic about whether people have kids at all and ought to treat your personal decision making

00:33:54.860 as to whether you gallivant around on RuPaul's Drag Race or become the head of a traditional family

00:34:00.660 and go to church regularly as a matter of moral apathy. Kamala Harris is very weird positionally.

00:34:05.480 The Democratic Party is very weird positionally. This is a party that has made Sam Britton a member

00:34:11.740 of the administration before he started stealing ladies' luggage. There's a person, there's a party

00:34:15.620 that has suggested that Admiral Rachel Levine, who is a dude, is somehow a stands-in for women

00:34:20.820 everywhere. It's a weird party filled with, I mean, they have trans influencers jiggling their fake

00:34:25.640 breasts on the lawn of the White House. If you're just talking weird, the Democrats have nothing on

00:34:31.360 weird when it comes to J.D. Vance. And so they've been trying to manufacture this narrative. This is where

00:34:36.000 I get to the question of stickiness. Again, I doubt this is really going to stick to J.D. because I just

00:34:39.660 don't think that he's weird enough for it to actually work, but this is certainly what they're

00:34:43.120 trying. Here is Kamala Harris just this week going on the RuPaul Drag Race show to seek support in

00:34:52.200 this election. All right, now everybody knows RuPaul is a drag queen and drag queens doing drag queen

00:34:57.300 things behind closed doors or in bars or what have you. I don't really care, but shoving it in front

00:35:01.360 of my kids and other people's kids, I care. But the show is controversial for those reasons.

00:35:05.720 So she goes on there. Let's just take a look at here she is with RuPaul. Yay, it's me, Kamala.

00:35:35.720 Your vote is your power. So please make sure your voice is heard this November. All right,

00:35:41.480 you get it. Register to vote. She's perfectly fine going on that show, notwithstanding the fact that

00:35:46.660 six weeks ago, that show featured a trans person. It's a woman who had a breast chopped off and decided

00:35:56.760 to walk down the runway with a discarded pair of fake breasts in a clear bag, bloodied,

00:36:04.420 bloodied flesh with a depiction of scars across her nipples and scalpels on fake arms shaving off

00:36:13.320 her breasts. And this was celebrated on this very show that our sitting vice president just celebrated

00:36:18.980 two minutes ago. Look.

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00:36:51.680 That's so fierce.

00:36:52.780 It's so gorgeous.

00:36:53.780 I love it.

00:36:58.580 She wants us to listen to her on what's weird. Not a word of condemnation for that. An endorsement

00:37:04.580 of the show. An appearance on the show. That was one of the most disgusting, blatantly misogynistic

00:37:09.920 things I've ever seen on television, Ben. Ever. And the fact that our sitting vice president,

00:37:14.740 never mind a candidate for president, would go on that show and celebrate it and lend her credibility

00:37:20.340 to it, is an outrage in and of itself. She can spare me the discussions on weird.

00:37:26.280 This is exactly right. And I think that she's running directly into the teeth of something here

00:37:29.960 that I think that, again, it was a misdirect because everybody thinks of her as strange.

00:37:33.480 But I think that this is going to backlash on her. This, I think, is her first mistake of the campaign.

00:37:39.040 Trying to label your political opponent weird while doing a bunch of things that sort of normie

00:37:43.080 Americans think are weird. It's not a good look. It really is not. And this is, again, not the first

00:37:48.420 time that Democrats have tried to jujitsu a sort of Republican attack line onto their opponents.

00:37:52.980 So you remember back when there was a crowded NASCAR race that started chanting F Joe Biden.

00:37:58.020 And one of the commentators suggested that they were chanting, let's go, Brandon. And that became

00:38:01.680 sort of a rallying cry for people on the right. And then the left took that and they started talking

00:38:05.300 about the dark Brandon memes, right? They had like the sunglasses and the aviators and the laser eyes,

00:38:10.540 like dark Brandon. And then that fell apart on them when it turns out that there is no dark Brandon.

00:38:14.300 There's just a senile old man who's occupying an office he shouldn't hold.

00:38:17.120 Well, if the idea here is that Kamala Harris is a perfect normie, I don't think that that's going

00:38:22.360 to play other than in sort of coastal elite areas of the United States. And so I think that the

00:38:27.320 backlash against this could be fairly strong. The thing that people mistake when it comes to the

00:38:31.700 Trump phenomenon is in 2016, there's been an attempt to philosophize Trump and suggest that

00:38:36.340 Trumpism is really about economic issues. It's dispossessed white people from the Rust Belt who lost

00:38:40.160 their jobs at the factory. And that's why they're voting for Trump. That's actually not the story of 2016.

00:38:44.260 The story of 2016 is there's a whole group of people in the United States who have families

00:38:48.640 and who go to church and who have a set of values that is directly opposed to the kind of stuff that

00:38:53.020 Kamala Harris is pushing. And they're being told that they are less than, that they are bad,

00:38:57.120 that there's something wrong with them. In fact, they are weird for saying the kinds of stuff about

00:39:01.280 childbearing and childrearing and going to church that J.D. Vance says. And to me, that's alienating

00:39:05.560 exactly the population that Kamala Harris needs to win over. Who exactly in, say, Wisconsin,

00:39:10.080 Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, Arizona is sitting around going, man, now that she's

00:39:13.740 appearing on RuPaul's Drag Race, I'm going to go out and vote for her. And it's going to shift

00:39:16.940 enough votes for her that it's going to make up for all the votes that she alienates with this kind

00:39:20.780 of stuff. I just, I cannot get over the fact that we have spent days talking about J.D. Vance with a

00:39:26.800 throwaway comment about childless cat ladies. And this, these people who are making a deal out of it

00:39:32.720 can't tell you what a woman is, want to put men into our little girls locker rooms and sports and

00:39:39.700 will happily cut off the healthy breasts of a 14 year old girl and sterilize her without giving one

00:39:45.920 thought to her. Nevermind in California with the cooperation of the school and the exclusion of the

00:39:50.340 parents. Like that is not the pro woman party. Hello. This is a catastrophic development that we've

00:39:56.260 had in modern day America. That is the responsibility of the Democrat party. I, how on earth are we

00:40:02.060 preceding the who will protect women and girls line to them over a stupid throwaway by J.D. on cable?

00:40:10.760 It's absolutely dishonest. It's infuriating. I don't blame him. They'd be doing this to any

00:40:16.940 Republican, but we've lost our minds when this is the new cycle. This is the discussion.

00:40:22.760 And again, I think what you said is right. It's all a misdirect. It is all a misdirect. It is all an

00:40:27.600 attempt to get the focus onto J.D. and away from Trump and away from Kamala. That's,

00:40:31.880 that's, she needs everyone to focus on what she's purporting to be, which is this glitzy, glamorous,

00:40:38.000 unifying figure who does ads to Beyonce's freedom and not what she actually is, which is one of the

00:40:42.700 most radical left politicians that we've ever seen in the history of American politics. She was

00:40:46.420 literally the most left-wing senator in the United States Senate in 2019. They whitewashed that from

00:40:51.340 the internet. That's now gone. She's a person who has given control of the border and proceeded

00:40:54.660 to let in somewhere between seven and 10 million illegal immigrants. She's a person who in the last week

00:40:59.220 alone, by the way, her Middle East policy in the last week alone, when she's been effectively the

00:41:02.740 acting president, has been disastrous. She did a full-scale press conference in which she spent

00:41:06.960 nearly the entire press conference ripping on Israel for its supposed human rights violations

00:41:10.920 while saying almost nothing about Hamas. And then over the weekend, Hezbollah, which is a terrorist

00:41:15.660 group located in the south of Lebanon, shot a rocket into a Druze area. Druze are Muslim Arabs,

00:41:20.960 shot into a Druze area of northern Israel in the Golan. They killed 12 kids. And Kamala Harris's

00:41:25.700 only statement was, we have ironclad support for Israel. And that's why we're pursuing diplomacy to

00:41:29.420 stop this. Again, she's a radical left disaster area. And I do think that if the Trump administration

00:41:35.900 focuses in on that, and if they run ads about her wanting to ban fracking in Pennsylvania,

00:41:40.640 and if they run ads about RuPaul's drag race in Arizona and Michigan, I don't think that people,

00:41:47.200 when faced with the actual who Kamala Harris is, are going to resonate in quite the same way as New York

00:41:52.920 Magazine, which is putting her on top of a coconut. I will mention that they have that Camelot cover

00:41:57.540 that you mentioned there. The end of Camelot is that Mordred actually ends up destroying Camelot.

00:42:01.240 So we should point that out. Good point. And by the way, we just did an in-depth piece with

00:42:06.420 Maureen Callahan, who wrote the book Ask Not, which is all about the Kennedy family. And she goes in

00:42:11.680 depth on how that whole thing of Camelot, you know, between Jackie and Jack was made up. It was made

00:42:16.220 up by Jackie just to make their relationship look better after he had died. It was based on a bunch of

00:42:21.040 nonsense. He never really did play records of midline plays like that one. Anyway, once again,

00:42:28.740 it's a made up thing. You mentioned Kamala's reaction when Bibi came and then today after

00:42:35.260 this Hezbollah attack, and she's talking like she's already the president. It's very strange,

00:42:40.540 Ben. What vice president comes out and says, I let Netanyahu know this. I did this. Take a

00:42:47.840 listen to Sot 7. I also expressed with the prime minister my serious concern about the scale

00:42:55.540 of human suffering in Gaza. And I made clear my serious concern about the dire humanitarian

00:43:01.600 situation there. I just told Prime Minister Netanyahu, it is time to get this deal done.

00:43:09.260 So to everyone who has been calling for a ceasefire, and to everyone who yearns for peace,

00:43:15.820 I see you and I hear you. Okay, and that wasn't it. She also put out the following. This is through

00:43:27.580 the assistant to the president and national security advisor to her, Phil Gordon.

00:43:33.360 At VP has been briefed and is closely monitoring Hezbollah's horrific attack on a soccer field

00:43:37.960 in northern Israel yesterday, which killed a number of children and teenagers. She condemns

00:43:42.180 a horrific attack and mourns for all those killed and wounded. There is no such statement from the

00:43:47.640 sitting president of the United States, only from the sitting vice president. What's happening? I mean,

00:43:55.000 this actually does feel like a coup. He is technically still in charge. She's not. No one elected her to

00:44:01.700 be president of anything. I mean, she's she is the president. I mean, that's the reality. He will not

00:44:08.840 step out because to step out would be to acknowledge that he's no longer capable of the job. And then

00:44:12.840 his story in the American history is defeated Donald Trump too senile to even be president had

00:44:18.260 to drop out. And it also would would throw again more relief on the fact that Kamala Harris and the

00:44:22.620 entire administration have been lying about his health status for legitimately years, which is an

00:44:27.820 issue that should come up between now and the election. Some 54% of Americans believe that the

00:44:31.700 Biden administration was lying about Biden's health and 92% of those believe that Kamala Harris was

00:44:35.980 lying about the president's health during this whole this whole crisis. She is acting as though

00:44:39.780 she is already president of the United States, as as you mentioned. And then there's the actual

00:44:43.560 content of what she says right there, which is an absolute sop to the pro Hamas wing of her party.

00:44:47.660 There's a reason that is the sitting vice president and the presiding officer in the Senate. She didn't

00:44:51.300 go to Netanyahu's speech. And then she proceeded to in that press conference that you played there.

00:44:55.480 The worst line was she said, I will not be silent. Well, who's trying to silence you, lady?

00:44:59.740 The vice president of the United States, you can say whatever you want. The implication,

00:45:02.740 which is that there's a whole group of people trying to silence her, is really quite ugly and

00:45:06.660 nefarious. There are a bunch of people who just want you never to talk about it. It's just bad

00:45:10.800 stuff. Yeah. If I, by the way, if I have to hear any more of this crap about how Doug Emhoff is

00:45:15.040 Jewish, therefore she can't possibly be anti-Israel. It's such trash. It's such nonsense. Let me say

00:45:19.100 as a Jew, as somebody who actually cares about this sort of stuff, because, you know, I wear the

00:45:23.180 keepa, I actually do the thing. As somebody who cares about that, Doug Emhoff is like your token

00:45:27.720 court Jew inside the Kamala Harris White House. That ain't going to do it. Your policy is what's going to

00:45:32.720 do it. It's ridiculous. Oh, you better watch it. He, cause he was out there over the weekend

00:45:37.280 talking about how his feelings get very, very hurt when mean things are said, Ben, you might,

00:45:42.320 you might've just crossed the line. This particular interview was all about, uh, J.D. Vance and his

00:45:47.400 comments about single women, uh, cat ladies. And he was speaking to Preet Bharara, former U.S. attorney.

00:45:54.380 Take a listen. This is, I mean, this is the sitting second gentleman of the United States.

00:46:00.220 What he said was abhorrent. It was stupid, uninformed. So you're telling a lot of people in

00:46:10.700 this country and this world that they don't matter. That the only thing that matters is

00:46:15.960 this so-called, you know, old fashioned view of, uh, you know, traditional quote unquote

00:46:23.080 family. It hurt, it hurt, it hurt, it hurt my feelings. Um, so it's, it was upsetting. All these

00:46:31.500 flippant, these supplicants, these opportunists like J.D. Vance and others who go on Fox News and

00:46:40.080 other networks and say the most abhorrent things to see if they can, you know, get clicks and get

00:46:45.680 attention of their dear leader, Donald Trump.

00:46:48.140 His wife was literally all over the campaign trail last week, calling Donald Trump a predator

00:46:53.440 and a criminal, but Doug M. Dorff's feelings are hurt, Ben, because J.D. Vance said what he said

00:46:58.700 about people who won't have children and, and people who will.

00:47:02.780 I mean, again, I think this entire campaign for the Democrats right now is trying to drive out the

00:47:07.580 female vote. I think they've made very obvious that they do not care about the male vote. And they

00:47:12.120 are now having Pete Buttigieg run a group called white dudes for Kamala. And according to the New York

00:47:16.760 Post, that, that entire group is going to be dedicated to white dudes effectively learning

00:47:21.660 to listen. They have to learn to listen and to use their ears and to get in touch with the

00:47:25.240 non-traditional side of themselves. Sounds like a real pitch for that blue collar man up in,

00:47:29.640 up in the middle of Michigan, working at a factory or something. The, the, the kind of

00:47:35.040 bringing out Doug Emhoff to preach about his field. Who's the target audience for that? It certainly

00:47:39.780 isn't men. It certainly isn't men. And, and the gender gap in this particular election

00:47:43.920 is going to be wider than any gender gap, probably in the history of the female vote in the United

00:47:48.360 States. It's huge. And I mean, Trump's been dominating with men and Biden had a small margin

00:47:54.180 with women, but not enough to win. And now she's trying to drive up her female numbers. And according

00:47:59.460 to that wall street journal poll, I mentioned here is what they concluded. Trump is viewed as more

00:48:04.420 able than Kamala Harris to handle immigration, the economy, foreign relations and crime. Well,

00:48:10.780 that's quite a few issues. They happen to be the top four on most people's value lists,

00:48:14.580 but Harris has given the edge 51 to 33, almost a 20 point advantage when it comes to abortion.

00:48:24.420 And there is nothing that stimulates female support in, on the democratic ticket more than abortion.

00:48:29.940 And there are more than a few pro choice Republican women who are more moderate, whether it's been

00:48:37.220 thinking about themselves or their daughters that they're trying to appeal to, too. They don't care

00:48:41.960 what drives them over to the Democrat ticket, but this is a juicy issue for them. And they do need

00:48:47.220 to run up those female margins. Yeah. I do think they run the risk of losing whatever male margin

00:48:52.260 Biden had. I think that the, the sort of trade that they're making the trade-off between

00:48:56.440 you don't think those ladies and the montage of white women for Kamala lecturing everybody on for the

00:49:01.680 love of God. Don't correct. A BIPOC person is going to drive the men to the polls.

00:49:06.980 Oh my God. I mean, can you imagine the number of, of bipartisan households that are going to

00:49:11.680 emerge in the United States where every man is like, I can't vote for that. There's just no way.

00:49:15.220 And every woman's like, but you have to vote for that. I'm of course voting for them, but three

00:49:18.440 times for that. And the, the war of the sexes is never going to be hotter than it will be in this

00:49:22.240 election. Ben Shapiro. Great to talk to you about it. Before I let go, I got 20 seconds.

00:49:29.260 How are you feeling? Notwithstanding all that, how are you feeling about Trump's chances right now?

00:49:33.900 I mean, I'm a lot more nervous than I was just a couple of weeks ago. I still think that he's

00:49:36.880 got the advantage, but if I'd put it at like 80, 20 before, I would say that we're now at like 55,

00:49:41.500 45 Trump advantage. I completely agree with that. 100% of what you just said. Great to see you,

00:49:47.060 my friend. Let's do it again soon. You too. Okay. Wow. There's a lot more to discuss. There's more

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00:50:45.960 The appointment of Vice President Kamala Harris as the new Democratic nominee. Oh, it was ground up.

00:50:54.500 It wasn't an appointment. It was ground up grassroots. Just ask Chuck Schumer. In a matter

00:50:58.880 of hours, has completely changed the 2024 race. It seems to have tightened the enthusiasm gap in a

00:51:04.180 big way, too. But will it stick? We're breaking down the latest polls and political storylines with

00:51:09.540 Tara Palmieri. She's senior political correspondent for Puck News and host of the Somebody's Gotta Win

00:51:15.040 podcast. And Shelby Talcott, 2024 campaign reporter for Semaphore. Great to see you, Tara and Shelby.

00:51:22.700 Thanks for being here. Thanks for having us. OK, so we talked a little bit with Ben Shapiro about the

00:51:30.180 Wall Street Journal poll, but there's also been a couple of other polls, including there's a New York

00:51:35.620 Times-Siena poll, which largely mirrored the Wall Street Journal poll, showing that while Trump had

00:51:41.060 been beating Biden by six points, it's much tighter against Kamala Harris. It's now a two or three

00:51:46.660 point race, all within the margin of error. And that the enthusiasm for Kamala Harris has gone way

00:51:52.340 up. Now, the ABC Ipsos poll shows that her favorability rating is now at 43 percent, and that

00:51:59.820 is up from 35 percent a week ago. So she went up eight points in a week. I think we all know why,

00:52:07.500 watching the media coverage of her. She hasn't said or done much. It's a relief that Biden's gone

00:52:12.960 and a celebration of the prospect of winning by the media and the Democrats. But I repeat myself

00:52:18.840 and just give you a flavor for where the enthusiasm numbers are. Here's Harry Enten,

00:52:26.440 the data guy over on CNN with a report that Democrats will love. Saw 20.

00:52:31.580 Democrats were suffering from low enthusiasm, so enthusiastic about voting. So this is Democrats

00:52:38.240 for Biden or Harris. Look at this. Back in February, just 62 percent of Democrats said they were

00:52:43.140 enthusiastic about voting for Joe Biden. Look at this now. Woof! Up to 88 percent now say that they

00:52:50.100 are enthusiastic about voting for Kamala Harris. That is a huge jump. That is a 26 point jump.

00:52:54.780 Look at Trump during the same stretch. Republicans for Trump. It was 80 percent in February. Look,

00:52:59.260 it's still fairly high at 82 percent. But compared to February, where Trump had this 18 point advantage,

00:53:04.540 now we see Harris with a six point advantage. It's definitely for Democrats. Game on. They are

00:53:09.680 very enthusiastic. We see it in the money being raised. We see in the volunteer science. And now

00:53:13.720 we're seeing in the polling as well. So her favorability went up eight points and the enthusiasm

00:53:20.340 within the Democratic Party for their nominee went up 26 points. And that's what Harry Enten is responding

00:53:27.880 to and what we're seeing, you know, why we're seeing the Democrats so gleeful, Shelby, in their

00:53:32.640 reporting about this. What do you make of it? Yeah, I think, you know, the the Trump campaign

00:53:37.420 came out last week with actually what I think was a pretty good point, which is, you know,

00:53:41.700 they sort of describe this as the Harris honeymoon. And I think there is an argument to be made that

00:53:47.600 Democrats were so relieved to have Joe Biden off the ticket and so relieved to sort of have a reset

00:53:54.000 that that that is playing into these vastly different numbers and this big jump that we're

00:54:00.140 seeing. Now, the question is, does that continue? Right. So I think the next few weeks, those sorts

00:54:05.980 of polling is going to be really interesting to see once Harris is out on the campaign trail,

00:54:10.280 once the Trump campaign has really solidified what their attacks are going to be against her.

00:54:15.040 That's what I'm looking at more so than these early sort of polling numbers, because I do think

00:54:20.620 that that being relieved has played has played a role in all of this.

00:54:25.200 I mean, it's like, you know, you you get the new boyfriend or girlfriend and they they seem so

00:54:32.060 attractive and you didn't think they were into you, but they are into you. They start calling again

00:54:36.060 and you have this feeling of euphoria. You're like, yay. And then, you know, a few months into it,

00:54:40.840 sometimes the bloom comes off that rose and you realize it's not that great. So that's what the

00:54:45.500 Trump campaign is hoping will happen with her, because the voters kind of know her already.

00:54:50.280 They're just the Dems are feeling relieved. Now, Tara, here is a word of caution from the

00:54:55.440 Wall Street Journal in that reporting that I just referenced. They say because the poll was done by

00:55:00.320 a GOP pollster and a Dem pollster who worked together. So I like that kind of a poll. And he

00:55:04.640 said, look, be careful not to feel overly optimistic if you're a Democrat. And he said back in July 2020.

00:55:13.020 So, you know, exactly four years ago, the Wall Street Journal national polling had Biden leading Trump

00:55:17.740 Trump by nine points and Biden leading Trump in August by 11 points. Now, Biden would go on to

00:55:25.580 win that race in a very tight race. I mean, it was very tight. You know, a couple tens of thousands

00:55:32.460 of votes made all the difference in that race, even though the polling was showing him 11 points

00:55:37.720 ahead of Trump. Right now, that poll is showing Trump ahead. And his conclusion is that Trump is still

00:55:44.280 in a far better position in this election when compared to 2020. Good caution.

00:55:50.100 I would agree with that. I mean, I've been saying this all along. Trump is historically always under

00:55:54.620 polled. At no point in 2020 was Trump ever polling ahead of Joe Biden. And in the end, he only won by

00:56:01.460 140,000 votes over. I mean, he only lost over 140 by 140,000 votes in a number of states,

00:56:08.560 battleground states. So I think there is a lot of momentum. I think there is a lot of enthusiasm.

00:56:14.780 And like you said, it's a shiny new toy. And that tends to wear off. If Trump has any luck,

00:56:20.040 then it will wear off in the next before the next three months, because she has such a short campaign,

00:56:24.640 it's harder to really make a lasting impact on who this person is, on who Kamala Harris is defining

00:56:31.700 her as quickly as possible. But I think the Trump campaign should ultimately be worried because it

00:56:37.140 looks like he is running against a generic Democrat. And that is not what they want right now.

00:56:42.320 If they can define her as a liberal Democrat from San Francisco, you know, failed California,

00:56:50.140 you know, Senator, then, you know, they have a chance, but they don't have a lot of time and they

00:56:55.940 have to act quickly. And they really haven't been up much anyway with advertising, but you see them

00:57:01.040 now mobilizing. And I think, you know, she's going to get good press and that's hard. She's

00:57:08.620 going to get good press for a while. Yeah. And it's not going to be honest press. I mean,

00:57:14.140 that's the thing. Like if anybody like to define her as anything other than a liberal San Francisco

00:57:18.560 politician is dishonest. I mean, this, that's just what her record shows up until recently when it

00:57:24.640 started getting scrubbed off the internet, literally getting scrubbed,

00:57:27.040 where she'd been dubbed to be the most liberal Senator in the U S Senate, more than Bernie Sanders,

00:57:33.220 more than Elizabeth Warren at the end of her term. She didn't have any more time to serve.

00:57:36.880 And now it's been scrubbed to say that's not true. Okay, sure. Um, there's more data suggesting that

00:57:44.220 even in the critical swing States, it's looking better for her, for the Democrats, I should say,

00:57:51.120 then it was, this is Fox news polling and it's showing now Harris and Trump neck and neck in

00:57:58.340 Michigan where they're currently tied at 49 each Minnesota where she's up, uh, according to this

00:58:05.200 poll, six points over Trump that had been tighter when it was Biden, Pennsylvania, where they're tied

00:58:12.660 49 and 49 Wisconsin, where he's up by one point, all of this is within the margin of error. So the

00:58:20.300 numbers had looked much better for Trump when it was Biden, where, um, back in April, Biden and Trump,

00:58:26.520 yes, they were still tied in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, but in Michigan, a blue state, Michigan,

00:58:32.440 he was three points behind Trump, uh, 46 to 49. And so you are seeing even in those blue wall States

00:58:41.300 that right now sort of conventional wish wisdom is switching. It's switched, switching. I'll stick with

00:58:47.240 you on this Tara too. Well, she might not do that well in the, in the blue wall States in the rust

00:58:53.460 belt, but she's got a chance in the sun belt that Biden didn't have North Carolina, Georgia, uh, Nevada

00:58:59.400 and Arizona. I don't know that we should be counting her out in those rust spells, rust belt States.

00:59:05.300 Cause it's looking pretty tight there too. Yeah. I mean, it is kind of ironic that, um, Trump may be

00:59:12.160 fighting for the rust belt in the end and she may end up getting the sun belt. I mean, Georgia, uh,

00:59:18.380 in Georgia alone, Trump lost 20% of male voters in the last election. He has a problem connecting with

00:59:26.140 these, uh, Republicans who are loyal to Brian Kemp, the governor there, um, who is no Trump fan. Uh,

00:59:33.660 if she selects, uh, Senator Mark Warner, uh, sorry, uh, Mark Kelly from Arizona. I mean, he's a very

00:59:42.340 popular Senator who's been good on immigration. Um, he's a Democrat, he's a moderate. He could help

00:59:48.800 her, uh, really make some connections in the sunbelt. And then that could put Arizona back in

00:59:54.480 play. Republicans throwing millions and millions of dollars at it. Um, and who knows, I mean, if there

01:00:01.400 would be no other option for Trump, if she wins the sunbelt, then to win Pennsylvania, Michigan,

01:00:06.500 um, and Wisconsin, and he lost Pennsylvania by half a percentage point last, uh, election,

01:00:12.940 Michigan too. Um, but it may be JD Vance who he picked specifically to work. Those voters may be

01:00:19.440 able to do some magic. We'll, we'll see. I don't know about the vice presidential pick making all the

01:00:25.160 difference. We'll, we'll talk about the possibilities in a sec, but I do want to just address a couple of

01:00:30.660 things that have been hanging out there that have been bothering me on the messaging. Um,

01:00:34.520 Joe Biden came out last week in his farewell address, Shelby. I mean, I don't know what we're

01:00:39.600 calling this. He, he does seem to be gone. He did come out today to say, I want to make all these

01:00:44.500 reforms to the Supreme court, none of which is going to happen. So we're not going to really waste a lot

01:00:47.320 of time on it. But, um, you know, she's the one responding on Netanyahu. She's the one responding

01:00:52.520 to the Hezbollah attack as though she's already in the office. In any event, he, in his farewell address,

01:00:56.960 he actually had the nerve to come out and tout his record on the border. The border shall be

01:01:05.740 saying that the border crossings are now at a lower point in his administration than they were,

01:01:10.460 um, when he took over as president from Trump, which is like the worst gas lighting I've ever

01:01:18.160 been subjected to. It made my head hurt. My head hurts. We went back just for kicks and did a little

01:01:24.480 math, which we never liked to do of course. And under Trump net net over the four years,

01:01:30.680 about 2.5 million illegals came in. It was about 2.5 million under Joe Biden. It's going to be about

01:01:37.080 10 between eight and 10 million. I mean, we're still in 2024 for him to suggest that there's any

01:01:44.900 comparison of the two men's records that makes Joe Biden look tough on immigration is just a blatant lie,

01:01:53.160 but we have not seen the media rush to fact check him. Yeah. Listen, this has been, this is sort of

01:02:01.000 what's tough. I think about the Trump campaign, getting their messaging out, as Tara said, within

01:02:06.260 the next three months, it's a very short period of time, particularly when you have, uh, media that

01:02:12.280 tends to be friendlier to one side over the other, but the border has been an issue for Democrats this

01:02:19.080 entire election season. And certainly the Trump campaign, when I've talked to the campaign aides

01:02:24.320 believe that if they can effectively get that message out, that Harris is a tied to the Biden

01:02:30.280 administration, right? It is not just Joe Biden as president. It is the Biden Harris administration.

01:02:35.360 So she is just as responsible for the last four years as he is, but also be that she was tapped to

01:02:41.920 address the root causes of migration and, and sort of fell off with that. Nobody, you know what I mean?

01:02:48.180 So if she can, if they can effectively make that argument, then I think that's really hard for

01:02:56.200 Harris to come back from. Um, and so we see why Joe Biden is sort of trying to get ahead of that

01:03:02.100 narrative because Democrats are well aware that this is going to be a huge talking point for Republicans

01:03:07.540 over the next few months leading into the election. So they try to change the topic to women,

01:03:13.080 women, women, women, abortion. Honestly, like this party thinks we're all about our lady parts.

01:03:18.540 We are all about our lady parts. Um, and in addition, the dictator narrative, which we see

01:03:24.960 pretty much every day that Trump would be a dictator. So he was giving a speech down at a turning point

01:03:29.980 event from over the weekend. And he was speaking to Christians, Christian voters. And he was trying

01:03:35.980 to make the point that I know you're unhappy, but if you just vote me into office, you're never going to

01:03:42.040 have to vote again because I'm going to take care of it all. And I'll play the exact thing that he

01:03:46.420 said. This is now being circulated. People should listen to it knowing by the left, it's all over

01:03:51.120 X and the news media as Trump promising. He's never going to leave office. This is a confirmation of

01:03:56.480 the Rachel Maddow theory that if you vote him into office, he's never leaving. We'll play it. Let

01:04:02.040 the audience decide. Christians get out and vote just this time.

01:04:10.960 You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years. You know what? It'll be fixed. It'll be fine.

01:04:17.420 You won't have to vote anymore. My beautiful Christians. I love you, Christians. I'm a Christian.

01:04:22.160 I love you. Get out. You got to get out and vote in four years. You don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed.

01:04:28.180 So good. You're not going to have to vote. I mean, the number of headlines online and elsewhere

01:04:35.560 of saying that he's promising no more votes if he gets elected, totally misleading media malfeasance.

01:04:43.080 And even after the campaign clarified, he was saying exactly what he said at the end of that clip,

01:04:48.100 which keeps getting edited off of the relevant clips on the internet, that you're going to have

01:04:53.040 it so good, you're not going to need to vote, right? You're not going to want to change things.

01:04:57.320 They misrepresent him. Shelby, I know you've been a member of the media a long time. This is what they

01:05:00.960 do, but it's really pernicious. I think there's plenty of things to pull out. And I've had this

01:05:07.440 conversation with people in the past over various Trump comments. There's plenty of things that can

01:05:12.660 be pulled out that are legitimate criticisms. But then there are also things like this that I do think

01:05:18.880 are sort of misconstrued and oftentimes taken out of context. And it does a disservice to the media

01:05:27.440 industry to not stick to those sort of very obvious ones and instead try to bring in these comments

01:05:34.460 that, you know, as we saw, I mean, in my personal opinion, I think it was fairly clear what he was

01:05:40.080 saying. I know other people are probably going to disagree with me on that. But again, it just goes

01:05:44.840 back to how the media frames things and how we have a responsibility to, you know, do better on

01:05:53.940 both sides of the aisle when we are critiquing and reporting on comments from whether it's Harris or

01:05:59.760 Trump. And sometimes, you know, there's certainly a failure in that. Oh, my God. I mean, often I don't

01:06:05.520 know if it's a failure. I think it's an intentional malfeasance on the part of people who want to win an

01:06:09.360 election. And those happen to be, you know, on in the press nine times at a time Democrats. And they

01:06:15.580 do have a lot of power. They can manipulate. They can manipulate people, although, you know, it doesn't

01:06:20.000 always work. Again, Trump won in 16, notwithstanding a media onslaught never seen before in American

01:06:27.040 history, at least modern history. All right. Stand by. We're going to take a quick break. But when we

01:06:30.780 come back, we're going to talk vice presidential candidates for her, which is getting a ton of buzz

01:06:35.460 now. And it's actually been somewhat entertaining to watch them audition on TV. My gosh, have you

01:06:41.240 seen them trying to come out and do backflips to get her attention? It's really not dignified,

01:06:46.200 but it's happening. We'll talk about it. All right, ladies. So the auditions to beat

01:06:54.260 Kamala Harris's running mate are in full force. They're all over cable television. It's actually

01:07:00.380 kind of funny to watch them. We played a soundbite with Ben of all these Democrats calling J.D.

01:07:05.180 Vance weird. And it was like every single one of them, from Gretchen Whitmer to Josh Shapiro to J.B.

01:07:12.020 Pritzker, the governor of Illinois. I mean, just one after the other. Mark Halperin, who correctly

01:07:17.740 predicted that Joe Biden was going to step down, you know, last Sunday, a week ago, he says he at

01:07:24.640 least seems to be saying it's going to be Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania. He posted a picture of him

01:07:28.600 instead developing, kind of drudge style. And that would make some sense, given how Pennsylvania

01:07:35.940 is a must win. But definitely hearing a lot of other names still in the mix. Tara, what do you

01:07:40.020 think? Yeah, I mean, it's not surprising to see them on TV trying to show her that they can be a

01:07:46.800 great advocate, that they can be the pit bull if she needs one. I mean, that's part of the job of

01:07:51.840 being a vice president. You're a surrogate. You're the person who goes out on the campaign trail,

01:07:56.460 raises money, fundraising. And yeah, I've heard a lot of different names. I think Shapiro is an obvious

01:08:02.960 choice because he is from Pennsylvania. That is a 19 electoral college vote state. It's almost a must

01:08:10.640 win if you don't win the Sunbelt, Arizona or Georgia. He's very popular. He won his previous

01:08:17.760 election two years ago by 15 points. That's pretty stunning. And the question now is whether picking

01:08:27.680 a Jewish vice president would anger some of the Muslim voters in Michigan. Do you win Pennsylvania

01:08:35.960 but lose support in Michigan? I mean, it's a real thing that's been spoken about. He's a devout Jew.

01:08:43.080 He is. And he's spoken out in support of Israel. So that's something to be factored right now.

01:08:49.380 But then again, Kamala Harris. But speaking out in support of Israel is a different thing,

01:08:53.440 right? Like what we're hearing in left wing press over and over is but he's Jewish. So it's a

01:08:57.580 downside. What the fuck? Well, I'm sorry, but it's just total bullshit that we're talking like this

01:09:02.700 now on cable news. Like that's an OK thing. Yeah, well, he's well, unfortunately, he's black. So,

01:09:07.460 you know, it's a no you. I know you're not doing that, but that's how they're talking about him.

01:09:13.080 Well, it's identity politics. I mean, that's that's truly what it is. And in fact, like some

01:09:17.960 Democratic insider said to me that she actually is soft with Jewish voters right now within the

01:09:22.560 party. So he's seen as someone who might be able to speak to suburbanites. She might he might be able

01:09:26.640 to help her in swing districts down ballot in New York and California. And those were the districts

01:09:32.640 that the Democrats lost in twenty twenty two. And that is why the Republicans have the House

01:09:38.440 just four seats. So, I mean, he has a lot of advantages. But then some people say, you know,

01:09:44.000 bring on Mark Kelly. He's a guy's guy. He's an astronaut. His wife is Gabby Giffords. He's got

01:09:50.020 a compelling story. Senators love him. And crucially, she's also seen a stop on immigration.

01:09:56.440 Arizona's not. Trump is up by seven points. Yeah. Mark Kelly, as much as I love his bio and his

01:10:02.500 brother, by the way, his brother's also an astronaut. He came on my show at NBC and he was amazing.

01:10:06.860 He was totally charming. The brother is like, I was a straight C student. I never got good grades.

01:10:13.160 I don't know how I became an astronaut, but, you know, for what it's worth, you can do it, too.

01:10:17.120 Everyone can do it. He was just a doll. Anyway, this is not Scott. This is Mark. They're identical

01:10:22.680 twins. I just don't. It doesn't make sense to me. He's too. But I get it. He's a son of cops and

01:10:28.000 he's a gun owner, notwithstanding the fact that he's anti, you know, certain gun measures, given what

01:10:32.880 happened to his wife. OK, so Shapiro is definitely getting the most buzz, Shelby, but we're starting

01:10:39.140 to hear other names. Oh, we have a little side of Shapiro. Let's give the audience a listen to him.

01:10:43.480 You could not have a clear contrast between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.

01:10:51.560 Think about it. Four years as president. Guy stacks the NLRB with a bunch of corporate folks

01:10:57.760 who have tried to rip away your rights every step of the way. We can't go back to that and

01:11:03.100 he can't defend that. This guy went to the Supreme Court of the United States, a place where Kamala

01:11:10.980 Harris is attorney general in California, went to stand up to expand the freedoms for the good

01:11:17.840 people of this nation. A lot of people saying he sounds like Barack Obama in his cadence and his

01:11:24.280 delivery. I can see it. OK, but putting him to the side, I can see why we all agree he'd be very

01:11:28.600 appealing to her. Starting to hear some buzz about about Waltz, right? About Tim Waltz. He's the

01:11:35.920 Minnesota governor. I mean, I kind of forgot about Minnesota as a possible place plucking ground for

01:11:41.160 VPs. But why is this guy suddenly getting some buzz? Yeah, he's he's been well known in Democratic

01:11:47.860 politics, so he would be sort of a major figure. Somebody described we did a piece recently just

01:11:53.420 sort of diving into all of the possibilities that Harris has. And somebody described it to my

01:11:58.360 colleague as basically like the most exciting group of white men that you could pick from,

01:12:03.180 which is pretty accurate because a lot of these top names are white men. And so, again,

01:12:08.580 it goes into that identity politics. But one of the things I think that is a downside to to Waltz is

01:12:14.260 he hasn't attracted as much national attention as some of the other folks. And so then that dives

01:12:19.580 into the question of does the vice presidential pick really matter? And there's arguments to be

01:12:23.880 made on both sides of the aisle. I know some people believe particularly for Harris that it

01:12:28.880 is going to matter. And I've heard that she is going to pick based solely on who is going to help

01:12:34.820 her the most in some of these swing states, which I'm not sure it would necessarily be him over someone

01:12:39.900 like a Shapiro. But then there's the argument that ultimately it doesn't really matter. It's a flash.

01:12:44.860 You know, it's going to be a really big news story for a few days and then it's going to sort of fade

01:12:49.580 into the background. And if you're going to vote for Harris or if you're going to vote for Donald

01:12:53.560 Trump, then you're going to vote for them. And your vote is not really going to change because of who

01:12:58.040 that person picks as their running mate, which I also think is a legitimate argument. But we'll see.

01:13:05.000 Well, especially given that she's 59 years old. I mean, Tim Waltz is 60. I must say he looks a lot

01:13:09.720 older than Kamala does. She looks good for 59. You know, she's 59. God willing, she's going to

01:13:15.840 have a nice long life ahead of her. This is not like when we elected Joe Biden or frankly, even

01:13:19.940 looking at Trump at 78, if you consider actuarial tables, the vice presidential pick is more relevant

01:13:25.500 the older they are. So I think you're right. Like, yes, they want some balance. She's a black woman.

01:13:33.180 UK, you get the white man. Trump went a different route. I don't know. The Democrats are very

01:13:37.760 identity politics focused, though. So is there any chance she is going to add a Gretchen Whitmer,

01:13:43.260 Tara, who this just this morning said hard? No. I doubt it. I don't think they would. They would

01:13:50.860 risk that adding two women to a ticket. I I hate to say it as a woman myself, but I don't I bet they

01:13:57.620 think that the country isn't ready for two women on the top of the ticket. I think I totally agree.

01:14:02.700 A vice president is not someone you go out to vote for, but you also don't want a vice president

01:14:07.720 that gives you a reason not to vote for somebody. Right. And in this case, like Joe Biden was picked

01:14:13.600 because he was seen as the elder statesman, the older white man with this young, vibrant Obama.

01:14:18.720 It's like you want the yin to the yang, right? The salt to the pepper. That's what they're trying

01:14:23.380 to do with Kamala Harris. They want people to feel like there's someone in her ear who's like

01:14:28.060 a part of the establishment, a safe pair of hands. And who knows, maybe can deliver a state. Maybe

01:14:33.400 Josh Shapiro out on the ground in the Rust Belt could really, you know, help her with it's just

01:14:38.780 half a percentage point. It's like 40,000 voters. Who knows? He can. He's very compelling. I mean,

01:14:44.760 you just played that clip. I've also heard other names as well. But like Roy Cooper from North

01:14:51.840 Carolina, that is like Democrats cannot get the idea of winning North Carolina out of their head

01:14:56.780 again after Obama. And, you know, Roy Cooper, popular governor of North Carolina, older man,

01:15:04.940 again, salt and pepper kind of thing going on. And yeah, I think they and he gets along with Kamala

01:15:10.320 and there's there's talk of him as well. But I don't know. I feel there's talk of Andy Beshear of

01:15:14.700 Kentucky. Right. Kentucky brings absolutely nothing to the to the ticket. There's that we're

01:15:21.700 not debating about Kentucky. The reason he's in consideration, Shelby, is he's a shitster, too.

01:15:28.060 He's a pretty good arguer. He we saw him. We played a soundbite of him last week attacking J.D. Vance

01:15:32.120 as a fake hillbilly. And while J.D. Vance didn't much like that characterization, he's articulate and

01:15:39.320 he's strong. I mean, he would be a very effective attack dog. Yeah, exactly.

01:15:44.460 And that's what we're seeing on the Sunday shows is all of these candidates sort of,

01:15:49.420 as we said, vying for this position and showing that they can be that attack dog.

01:15:54.340 And I think the argument that, you know, you need someone who is going to be able to

01:15:58.660 obviously spread your message and go after Donald Trump's campaign coherently and aggressively in a

01:16:06.240 way that maybe Harris doesn't want to. Right. You need sort of these different styles oftentimes when

01:16:12.400 you're running a presidential campaign. I also think the benefit to Bashir is obviously,

01:16:17.040 you know, he he has known her for a while. And so there's an argument of does Harris go and pick

01:16:23.120 somebody who she trusts? Right. And so there's again, there's arguments to be made for all of

01:16:28.060 these candidates. But I think the one thing that a lot of the top ones that we've been talking about

01:16:32.020 have in common is how their rhetoric is, how they can be an attack dog, how they're showing that

01:16:37.800 they can be aggressive in a presidential campaign cycle and make the argument for Harris in a way.

01:16:44.700 Mm hmm. And he's also a blue Democrat governor in a red state, which, you know,

01:16:50.760 which would be another reason he's on the list. Soon, we're going to find out, do we do we know

01:16:54.840 the date on which we're going to find out? You know, Trump kept it like the celebrity apprentice

01:16:58.240 not telling them that was one of the interesting things J.D. told us on Friday is that he literally

01:17:03.240 got the call like a half an hour before he missed the first call from Trump. And when Trump called

01:17:09.520 back, he could hear J.D.'s son in the background. He said, put me put him on, put him on, put me on

01:17:14.240 speaker. And he said, the little boy, your father just missed the most important phone call of his

01:17:18.000 life. It's crazy. But anyway, do we expect do we know when she has to announce it or is going to

01:17:25.140 announce it? Well, there's a roll call on August 1st through 7th. The latest date is August

01:17:33.040 7th. It's the Ohio roll call. It's when the delegates decide who will be at the top of

01:17:37.340 the ballot, basically, since Joe Biden is no longer on the Democratic ballot. And so

01:17:42.340 she ostensibly needs to choose her running mate by that date, August 7th. I think I know we're doing

01:17:49.100 the vetting process or they're doing the vetting process in such a compressed amount of time.

01:17:54.120 So they're probably dragging it out. It does add enthusiasm and kind of keeps a narrative around

01:17:59.540 Kamala Harris that doesn't dwell on her faults or the things she said in her past. So it might,

01:18:04.220 there might be some sort of thinking to drag out the vet process. But when you don't have a running

01:18:08.820 mate, you don't have someone out there fundraising for you, right? You don't have someone out there

01:18:12.960 stomping for you. And I think she should choose this person sooner rather than later. But we're

01:18:19.280 talking about seven or eight days. We're going to know at the very latest August 7th, she can't drag

01:18:23.240 it on after that. And she's not even technically the nominee. So I guess I'm putting the cart before

01:18:27.660 the horse. You know, she's got to actually, I guess, officially be anointed. I never got to show

01:18:34.180 this on Friday because we had JD on and we kind of stuck to, you know, the facts around him. But

01:18:38.380 there was officially an Obama endorsement of Kamala on Friday. I'm sorry, but it was the cringiest thing

01:18:46.580 I've seen a long time. It was truly like, and take one. That's, that was the only takeaway I had

01:18:54.480 from it. That was very, very obviously rehearsed. I'm going to play for the audience as we haven't

01:18:58.440 gotten to it. Watch. Kamala. Hi. Hey there. Oh, hi. You're both together. Oh, it's good to hear you

01:19:08.300 both. I can't have this phone call without saying to my girl Kamala, I am proud of you. This is going

01:19:16.560 to be historic. We call to say Michelle and I couldn't be prouder to endorse you and to do

01:19:22.780 everything we can to get you through this election and into the Oval Office. Oh my goodness. Michelle

01:19:28.620 Brock, this means so much to me. I am looking forward to doing this with the two of you, Doug

01:19:33.740 and I both. All right. Okay. Again, very cringy and obviously fake, but important for her, Shelby.

01:19:42.400 And he was the one person we were wondering about, right? Like where is Barack Obama? Do we have any

01:19:48.780 reporting on why it took him so long versus everybody else in the Dem party? Yeah, there

01:19:54.320 were comments suggesting that some of the leaders, because remember, you know, like Nancy Pelosi and

01:19:59.960 some of these other folks also didn't immediately endorse, particularly because they didn't want it

01:20:05.260 to be seen as sort of a coronation of Harris, which obviously it has since become right. There's

01:20:12.280 nobody else who really ran against her. So she was sort of the one and only regardless. And so I think

01:20:19.500 once they figured out that she had enough support where she was going to win anyway, it didn't really

01:20:26.100 matter. So that's when we saw the Obamas come out. But as for the cringe thing, I think the cringe

01:20:32.460 part is really interesting because it is sort of, you know, a cringy video, but they've been really

01:20:36.980 leaning into that aspect of her and they've sort of tried to like reinvent cringe as cool and

01:20:45.640 relatable. And, you know, it's an open question whether or not that works long term. But I think

01:20:52.360 that has contributed to this, you know, discourse we've seen from from voters and from politicians

01:20:59.360 with how happy they are in the immediate aftermath of picking Harris because she's been able to take

01:21:06.200 these these moments from her past campaign trail where she said something weird or awkward or like,

01:21:13.500 you know, laughed oddly and they're leaning into it. And so I think that this Obama release video,

01:21:20.780 which obviously was planned, right, it's sort of meant to to be like it was natural. It was,

01:21:25.680 you know, it was being recorded, obviously. I think that's intentional. I think like the cringe

01:21:31.560 is they're trying to sort of lean into it. And the question is, right, do they lean into

01:21:35.840 it too much and it becomes cringe again? Or does it stay sort of cool with that faction of young

01:21:41.660 liberal voters that they're trying to get over to their side? OK, so there is there is a report out

01:21:48.720 today that came out over the weekend, Tara, from Seymour Hersh. He's a Pulitzer Prize winner. He was

01:21:55.280 with The Times. He was with The New Yorker, though now he's independent and has had some more

01:22:00.560 controversial reporting. Right. He is reporting that and he discloses the with respect thinness

01:22:10.160 of this. He says he has gone over reports of Biden's tumultuous trip to Las Vegas last week.

01:22:19.600 This was this actually appeared in the Daily Mail. One of the reporters who was on board Air Force One,

01:22:24.900 Emily Goodwin of the Daily Mail reported and it's in the Daily Mail right now. She was part of the

01:22:28.420 press pool that the president was deathly pale, that Air Force One flew at maximum speed

01:22:33.220 to Delaware, that people their plates were shaking. It was scary for those on board. It was very clear

01:22:38.600 to them they were going usually fast in the air and that they believe the president was having a

01:22:43.100 medical emergency. And he says that he has been in touch in the wake of this report and others that

01:22:49.780 with a senior official in Washington who helped Seymour Hersh fashion an account of a White House

01:22:55.560 in complete disarray, culminating in the president's withdrawal from the race. And he says

01:23:02.060 that last Saturday, July 20th, Obama, Mr. Obama, was deeply involved in trying to get Biden out of this

01:23:12.620 race and that there was talk that he would place a call to Biden. Quote, on Sunday morning, the official

01:23:19.220 told me with the approval of Pelosi and Schumer, resuming quotes, Obama called Biden after breakfast

01:23:26.060 and said, here's the deal. We have Kamala's approval to invoke the 25th Amendment. But Obama made it clear,

01:23:33.820 he goes on, that he was not going to immediately endorse Kamala Harris. Again, this reporting not being

01:23:41.240 repeated elsewhere. Don't know whether there's truth to this, but if so, that would be a massive

01:23:48.920 piece of reporting. So what do you make of it? Yeah. You know, it is one source, unnamed source,

01:23:55.700 on background. So I am a little dubious. But, you know, Obama made a point of not requesting to speak

01:24:03.140 with Joe Biden. He did not want to contact him because he believed that... It's according to my

01:24:10.840 reporting as well. And I've been pretty ahead of this, you know, in terms of knowing that, like,

01:24:15.260 Nancy Pelosi was deeply behind this orchestrating it. She was in contact with Obama. But they knew

01:24:22.160 that Obama was not going to have influence on him because of the last time that they talked

01:24:26.840 back in 2019. And he had convinced... Sorry, back in 2015, when he had convinced him not to run

01:24:34.720 for office. So it was seen that any sort of influence from Obama was not going to work. And

01:24:43.360 truly, Joe Biden was very dug in. He was very, very dug in at that time. You know, I was told,

01:24:52.360 though, that if he did not drop out by Sunday, that that following week was going to get in

01:24:56.840 increasingly nastier, especially from hell leaders. There would just be, you know, an onslaught

01:25:03.080 of lawmakers calling for him to step down. It would become aggressive. It was just... Maybe one of them

01:25:09.140 would have said something like that publicly. But... And it would all be with, you know, the leaders

01:25:14.660 hands-off allowing them to do that. No one like Chuck Schumer or in Hawking Jeffries or Nancy Pelosi

01:25:20.100 stopping them. But I don't believe that... It contradicts with my reporting, at least, that

01:25:25.980 President Obama picked up the phone and called him and made this threat.

01:25:30.240 I mean, it would be so extraordinary if that ever gets matched or out there. It was just... That's an

01:25:36.060 earthquake of a report. But who knows? You know, I don't... It's not true that it was ground up,

01:25:41.220 as Chuck Schumer keeps trying to tell us. We all know that. Grassroots, he keeps saying. Okay.

01:25:46.540 Okay. You say so. They let the roots rise up.

01:25:51.160 Yeah. They rose all the way up to the very top of the Democratic Party. They put some seeds on it,

01:25:54.860 some water, and let it happen, right? I think also this reporting, just more generally,

01:26:01.920 in Towers reporting, all of what we've heard points to, you know, regardless of the specifics

01:26:07.920 of this 25th Amendment claim, points to the reality that there was an intense pressure campaign

01:26:13.400 to push Biden out. And it was from Nancy Pelosi on downwards. And I think that's really,

01:26:19.560 you know, the crux of this is just, you know, he did face this intense pressure campaign from the

01:26:26.240 highest people in the Democratic Party to step aside. And I think that, you know, that reporting

01:26:33.420 just generally gets at that reality that, you know, he faced so much pressure that,

01:26:40.800 as Tara said, he did not want to step aside. He had made that clear over the past few weeks,

01:26:45.400 but the pressure built, and it was so big that he was, you know, he had no choice essentially in

01:26:51.740 the end. I think there's an argument to be made. Well, it's tough to look at the numbers now and say

01:26:57.360 the Democrats made a mistake. Very tough to make that argument, though the process itself

01:27:02.540 definitely have some questions about that. And if I were a Democrat voter, I'd be wondering why I

01:27:06.400 didn't get to vote for my nominee. Could have been some others with an even better chance against

01:27:10.960 Trump than Kamala Harris, which they want to ignore her flaws in the press. But the record is what the

01:27:16.800 record is. And she owns all of Joe Biden's policy failures. And she's she is awkward. So we're going

01:27:23.100 to see it. That that can't be hidden. Ladies, thank you. It's great to see you both. Thank you.

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01:28:32.200 Let's go to some of our callers who've got thoughts. Connie in Indiana. Hi, Connie. What's on your mind?

01:28:38.660 Hi, Megan. Well, I just wanted to say, first of all, I think that we need to give

01:28:42.320 JD some credit that they had to go back several years to find something quote damaging. And, you

01:28:48.720 know, uh, and I think that on his show, he, he did a pretty good damage control, but I don't know

01:28:53.880 who will hear it, you know, because not like the, uh, left wing media is going to put anything good

01:28:58.740 out there for him. Um, well, I mean, our interview went everywhere. It went everywhere, but of course the

01:29:04.100 spin on it by the left was just like, no, he, he doubled down. He didn't apologize. And so

01:29:09.220 I felt like he did. I think he, I think he did really good with your interview. But, um,

01:29:14.560 then I also wonder things like, uh, with Kamala's husband, Doug, I just heard that clip on, on your

01:29:19.540 show a little while ago to how hurt he is about these comments. And it's like, well, was he hurt

01:29:23.900 several years ago when they were made? Or is it just now that his wife's running for president?

01:29:28.460 I'm not sure. And it's a lie. Isn't it a lie, Connie? Do you believe for one second,

01:29:33.360 his feelings are actually hurt? Not for one second. And then the last thing I just wanted to say that

01:29:39.140 I felt like Taylor Swift, she's done a really good job keeping out of the media, not going

01:29:44.300 one way or the other politically. And I noticed, I don't remember what celebrity it was. You probably

01:29:49.100 know, but someone posted a picture of her with her cat, you know, around her neck. And I thought,

01:29:53.680 you know what, leave her out of it. And she wants to come forward and say, Hey, I'm just offended

01:29:56.960 me. Let her do it. It kind of was really bizarre that a celebrity had to post a picture of her.

01:30:02.320 Wasn't it the Kamala Harris team that did it? I could be wrong, but yeah, I think it might've been

01:30:06.460 them who said like, Oh, you know, you're taking on people like Taylor. He wasn't saying childless

01:30:10.340 cat ladies are bad. He was saying that the sort of chattering nanny class, that's always trying to

01:30:15.080 tell us how to live our lives that has intentionally made a decision not to have children because they

01:30:19.260 want to save the environment are not the people who should be our leaders. And that's really far less

01:30:23.720 controversial than the way it's being spun. But thank you for getting it. Connie love the fact that you

01:30:29.320 called in and appreciate your insights. Let's go to Gina. Gina is out in Idaho. Hi, Gina. What are your

01:30:34.620 thoughts? Hi, Megan. Um, I think that Ron DeSantis would have been a better pick. Not that I don't

01:30:42.680 like JD. I just think that DeSantis, he has a lot of support in Florida and I think he's got a strong,

01:30:50.840 um, background as being a governor. And if he and Trump could get along, I think he would have been a

01:30:58.240 great, um, person in case something happened to Trump or looking out eight years from now taking

01:31:05.860 over after four years. So, um, you know, they, they would do to him, they'd make him into the

01:31:11.760 boogeyman and say, he's this far right cultural warrior who wants to take away women's rights.

01:31:17.640 The six week abortion ban, all that stuff would have come back to haunt him on the one issue Trump

01:31:22.700 has vulnerability on, which is abortion rights. You know, you saw the numbers there. So I can see

01:31:27.620 why he was risky for Trump. Plus I don't think they love each other, but Ron DeSantis, you know,

01:31:33.620 potentially has a long future still in politics. I wonder what he'll do because he is term limited.

01:31:38.580 So maybe he'll do one of those, like he'll run for Senate or do something else to keep himself sort

01:31:44.140 of in a governing position. But thank you for your thoughts, Gina. Great to talk to you. Uh, okay,

01:31:48.720 let's see Debra in Georgia, one of our swing States. Hi Debra. What's on your mind?

01:31:55.300 Good morning, Megan. Thank you for having me. And I love your show. I greatly appreciate what you do.

01:32:02.700 And if you have a, uh, uh, comment on JD, I personally, I am a 54 year old single lady,

01:32:12.400 never been married. And I didn't take none of it offensive because the way he explained it,

01:32:19.900 it was perfectly clear to me. Most common people, common sense people got it.

01:32:25.700 Yeah. And you know what the media does to any Republican.

01:32:29.980 Oh yeah. Yeah. And from being from a swing state, I think everybody's going to be a little surprised

01:32:36.080 this time because everybody in anybody I know, uh, and, and trust me, most of them voted for Biden

01:32:44.620 because they got mad at the bad tweets. And I told them, get over that crap. So what a mean tweet,

01:32:50.800 you want what we got now over a mean tweet? They're saying, Oh, not only heck no, it's

01:32:57.360 hell. No, they're voting for Trump. They liked him. They did. George is going to go. It's going to go red

01:33:02.900 this time around. I think so. I think it'll be closed, but everybody I know, and I'm going to

01:33:09.560 tell you, I've seen something this time. I'm a truck driver. So I go to all 48 States, but every

01:33:15.480 time I, uh, two months ago, when I was at home, I stopped at, uh, one of the local, very popular gas

01:33:22.280 stations. And there was a, uh, a group of young men, they were between 20 to 25 out talking to

01:33:35.180 people, uh, about Trump, uh, to vote for Trump. I've never seen that. I mean, I know we have people

01:33:41.860 that go to door to door, but I've never seen it like that. Yeah. But I don't know who they were.

01:33:47.620 In particular. Yeah, no, I love the, I love the color on it. Debra. Thank you. And drive safely

01:33:54.040 out there. Appreciate what you do. Um, okay. Let's go to Steven in New York. It is not a swing state,

01:34:00.760 but it is still interesting. And it is the place I spent most of my 50 years. Steven,

01:34:06.500 what's on your mind. Hi, Megan. Thank you for taking my call. I just wanted to let you know that

01:34:12.680 sometimes I sit through some of your topics that make me uncomfortable and squirm in my seat and I'm

01:34:18.640 here for it. Thank you. Yeah. Well, listen, I love having you squirming or not. Thank you. Yep. I,

01:34:26.760 you know, sometimes people don't want to be uncomfortable. You do it. You know how to do

01:34:31.060 it. And, and I'm on the edge of my seat because of it. As far as the, as far as the first debate goes,

01:34:37.740 I don't think it was a mistake. I think Trump took it on like a bull by the horns and he went for it

01:34:44.520 too bad. It didn't happen in the second debate. So with that said, J.D. Vance as a pick,

01:34:51.340 as far as I know, June Don Jr. is, was lobbied Mr. Trump senior heavily for J.D. Vance. Um,

01:35:01.740 you know, listen, can we get a do over? Is that possible? The Dems did it. Wouldn't that shake up

01:35:09.980 the race for us? Oh, and do, and do we need J.D. Vance for these middle of, of the country states

01:35:19.540 that are already pretty much for Trump? I really wasn't understanding that kind of perspective

01:35:25.180 where like, it doesn't sound like Trump, right. To, to un undo a choice and in effect, admit that

01:35:32.660 he, it doesn't sound like, I don't think he'll do that, but I think, listen, I mean, I've been

01:35:36.680 through this enough times, like whoever Trump picked, they would demonize him or her. They

01:35:40.420 would make them, it's some evil devil for whatever issue. And it could be a number of them. I, you know,

01:35:46.900 you just get the same story, different person. If he's subbed out Vance, Stephen, thank you. And see

01:35:52.000 you in the New York area sometime soon. Okay. Let's go to Nebraska. We've got a minute left.

01:35:57.480 Matt in Nebraska. What's on your mind? I got to tell you, Megan, uh, I'm a big fan and we got to

01:36:05.020 not let the Democrats, uh, set the narrative on these things. J.D. Vance is a fantastic pick.

01:36:13.880 And if the voters can be swayed away, given everything that's happened, the unfettered

01:36:19.620 immigration and all that, if the voters can be swayed away by a, uh, guy that they don't like

01:36:26.360 some comments he made, then this country's already lost. So I love the pick and I'm glad we're where

01:36:33.860 we're at. Matt, I totally agree with that. Thank you for saying that. I just, I can't get over the

01:36:38.980 fact that one side can't even say what a woman is. One side is pro castrating little boys and

01:36:47.360 chopping off the breasts of little girls and sterilizing them. Why are we spending time

01:36:51.980 talking about a stupid cat comment? Get some perspective, not to mention the 12 million

01:36:58.460 illegals in the country. Anyway, all of it is just so frustrating. If we had an honest media,

01:37:03.960 this would be easy, but it's one of our many great challenges as a nation. Thank you for calling in,

01:37:09.320 Matt. Thanks to all of you for calling in and for listening, being with us every day. Really

01:37:12.740 appreciate it tomorrow. VDH is back and Stephen A. Smith joins us from ESPN.

01:37:21.180 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - July 29, 2024

Kamala Harris' Shadow Presidency, and Which ＂White Dude＂ Harris Will Pick as VP, with Ben Shapiro, Tara Palmeri, and Shelby Talcott ｜ Ep. 850

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