Karmelo Anthony Supporters Cry Racism, and UK Leaders Downplay Near-Beheading By Migrant, with Sarah Fields, Eiglarsh, Frei, Kingston, and Swenson ｜ Ep. 1336
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00:01:12.260Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. You're going to want to tune
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00:01:30.740civilization. We have that covered. But first, we were live on YouTube yesterday when a jury
00:01:36.160in Collin County, Texas convicted Carmelo Anthony of murder for his April 2nd, 2025 stabbing of
00:01:43.34017-year-old Austin Metcalfe at a track meet in Frisco, Texas. Carmelo was also 17 at the time.
00:01:50.140He's now 19 at the time of trial. And last night, that same jury sentenced Carmelo Anthony to 35 years in prison, rejecting the defense argument that he acted with, quote, sudden passion, which could have reduced his sentence to just two years, two years.
00:02:09.380The sentence would have allowed it to be knocked way down and 35 years is outside the range.
00:02:15.180That would have been acceptable had they accepted sudden passion as a mitigating factor.
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00:07:04.840Great to have you all. Sarah, let me start with you. Can you just describe
00:07:09.120the atmosphere. We went off the air before they came back. They took a break after the jury
00:07:14.560verdict of guilty was handed down. And then they came back for the sentencing hearing. We heard
00:07:21.280the mother's testimony. We didn't hear it. We weren't in the courtroom. But then things got
00:07:26.340very emotional, as I understand it, from when things resumed, when we got the sentence handed
00:07:30.760down, and then when Austin's family started taking the stand. Can you walk us through it?
00:07:34.980Yes. So during sentencing, you could visibly see Carmelo. He was visibly shaking. Mike Howard had his hand on his shoulder and he was crying. Of course, the judge entered, the jury entered, and they determined that there was no sudden passion.
00:07:54.480and he was given the 35 years sentencing.
00:08:20.020and he said justice has been served here today.
00:08:22.680And I don't personally, I don't believe that justice can never really, truly be served here on this earth.
00:08:28.860But I would also like to point out that during sentencing, the actual sentencing of 35 years, I did not I was not able to see Carmelo's parents in the courthouse, in the courtroom at all.
00:08:41.480They were they were not inside the courtroom during sentencing.
00:08:48.940It's also unbelievable that when he was given the actual guilty verdict before sentencing, there was a very large amount of Carmelo Anthony supporters in the courtroom.
00:08:59.560And right after he was given the sentencing of or excuse me, right after he was given the verdict of guilty, they all immediately left the courtroom before it was even before the courtroom was even dismissed.
00:09:09.200They turned in their badges and they all left, which I thought was interesting considering they all consider themselves advocates of the Anthony family, but they abandoned them probably during the most difficult time of the entire trial.
00:09:21.220And then the parents abandoned their son.
00:09:23.320Correct. Yes. And so during the sentencing, you could feel the tension in the room.
00:09:32.060You could feel the pain and the anger and the anguish.
00:09:35.260I was sitting directly behind the Metcalf family and you could tell that they felt like it was not enough because it's never going to be enough.
00:09:43.620I mean, Megan Metcalf said that you've been given a sentence of 35 years behind bars and you should feel lucky because I've been sentenced to a lifetime without my son.
00:10:22.680But he was very straightforward, honestly, a very honorable young man.
00:10:26.780And the first thing he did, and you could tell that this was kind of off his script, but he asked Carmelo to look him in the eye.
00:10:36.800He said, man, just out of respect, can you at least look me in the eye while I'm talking to you?
00:10:44.860And Carmelo did look up for about 15 seconds, and then he looked right back down and did not look at Hunter for the remainder of Hunter's victim impact statement.
00:10:54.220um he just asked him to respect that please and he he refused to respect that he looked down for
00:11:00.660the majority of the uh actually for all of the victim impact statements he was looking down the
00:11:04.880only time he looked up was when um hunter asked him to to look him in the eye and so but hunter
00:11:11.420continued he didn't you know after after he he decided to look down he didn't bring it up again
00:11:17.400but it basically just showed everybody where uh carmelo's heart is um but he just he told him he
00:11:23.940said, you took someone away who was supposed to be an uncle to my children and a godfather to my
00:11:29.320children. And he said, eventually your name will be forgotten, but my brother's legacy will live
00:11:34.460forever. And Carmelo still refused to look him in the eye. Wow. That's so emotional. The mom and
00:11:42.740the dad, can you describe them and how they were on the stand and the impact you think they had
00:11:47.800in that courtroom um yes megan metcalf um you you can you can feel anger uh well i i would
00:11:58.520definitely say that one of the number one emotions that you could feel was anger um and rightfully so
00:12:03.480megan metcalf um was very clear spoken it was she definitely wanted every single word to burn in the
00:12:12.400brain of Carmelo for the rest of his life. But she said that the morning, which she's speaking
00:12:17.900of the morning of April 2nd, she got her morning hug and an I love you. She said that Austin was
00:12:24.540a really good hugger. And she said, I did not know that it would be the last time that I would feel
00:12:29.760his arms around me. And then, like I said before, she said that you've, you know, you've been given
00:12:34.880a sentence of 35 years and you should feel lucky because none of them, all of them have been
00:12:41.340sentenced a lifetime without Austin. Carmelo's head was still down during that time. Jeff was
00:12:48.740quite a bit more colorful and he definitely went off script. And I don't blame him. I kind of had
00:12:55.040a feeling he would because that's who Jeff is. And he was very passionate and he was very angry.
00:13:02.840During his victim impact statement, he shared a video with everybody that was in the courtroom
00:13:09.860and he let it play while he spoke and during that video he basically played a series of
00:13:16.480pictures and video footage of austin and hunter together just uh living their lives from the time
00:13:22.700that they were babies all the way up until they were teenagers um and it definitely made it
00:13:27.920so much even more impactful than it already was because we got to watch that while we listened
00:13:34.900to jeff and um he he said he they were robbed and he begged carmelo to not look down he said
00:13:43.920don't look down but carmelo continued to look down he would never look at jeff um
00:13:50.020and he said that if you asked me what my son's death did to me it destroyed a part of me and he
00:13:57.720meant that when he said it destroyed a part of me it was a part of him that he was never going to
00:14:01.520get back he also said that people think that grief is trauma and he said it's not it's rage
00:14:07.220and when he screamed he screamed rage and he slammed his fist on the table in front of him
00:14:13.100um everybody was very quiet and um everybody was sobbing he said a piece of him died with his son
00:14:22.040but he still expected to keep living it was it was hard when when he was finished when he was
00:14:29.820done with his victim impact statement um because he was getting because you could definitely tell
00:14:35.200that he was very angry um a deputy walked up to him and escorted him uh around the courtroom and
00:14:42.840as he walked around the courtroom he stared a hole into Carmelo he just stared at him the entire time
00:14:48.000he walked past him um but he controlled himself and he was able to sit back down and I'm glad that
00:14:55.060I'm honestly glad that he went off script because it felt so much more raw and it needed to be.
00:15:02.620Was it just the three family members and then that concluded?
00:15:06.360And then it was at the end of the proceedings?
00:15:08.120There was one other victim impact statement that was given by Austin's aunt.
00:17:02.460The victim was Austin and his entire family.
00:17:05.060So I don't I mean, what is the story with this Dominique Alexander, who continues not only to go after the Metcalfs, but you, too, has taken aim at you.
00:17:15.380I understand the father of Carmelo Anthony has taken aim at you.
00:17:19.760You're a reporter who's been covering this.
00:17:23.860Yes. Dominique Alexander was very angry last year because I not only exposed him as a felon, which anyone could have exposed him for that, but I also thoroughly investigated his organization called Next Generation Action Network and determined through documentation, which you can look at all of it.
00:17:45.260I shared all the receipts on my platforms. He is what is known as 501c3 hopping, which means that
00:17:53.040he bounces from 501c3 to 501c3 without submitting appropriate documents to the IRS. His organization
00:18:02.900has also not revealed their financial statements in years. And so one of the ways I was able to
00:18:11.680determine where they get some of their money from is by going to other organizations that are similar
00:18:16.700and looking at their financial documents and then discovering through there that they that
00:18:22.960Next Generation Action Network was receiving donations in the amount of six figures from
00:18:28.540other organizations that were funded by George Soros. So a lot of that reporting definitely got
00:18:36.540a lot of attention, as well as, of course, his background of shaking a two-year-old to the point
00:18:42.020of brain damage, family violence, constantly getting into violent fights, and his participation
00:18:47.880in some of the Dallas riots years ago. And he got very angry that that got millions of views,
00:18:56.220and he made that clear at his press conference when he honestly very stupidly
00:19:01.260pulled up a printout of one of my ex posts that actually was revealing a threat towards me0.99
00:19:13.180where they said that they were going to rape me. And he printed that out and held it up at his
00:19:19.560press conference and said, this is Sarah Fields. I've never heard of this woman. And she's getting
00:19:24.640millions of views. And he was clearly angry and definitely put a target on my back from
00:19:29.720all of the uh racists that definitely follow him and pay attention to him um it yeah and so
00:19:39.080uh there's also individuals who uh consider themselves and call themselves the advocates
00:19:43.940for the Carmelo Anthony family um there's one individual by the name of Tiffany Billions aka
00:19:49.080Tiffany McAdoo um who says that she is the chosen advocate for the Anthony family and when she said
00:19:56.040this, it was on a live stream and Drew Anthony was on the live stream with her and did not deny
00:20:02.420that she was a chosen advocate for the family. And they proceeded to spread rumors that I had
00:20:08.000sent people to his job to get him fired, which is 100% not true, that I had arranged with groups
00:20:14.080from Jeff Metcalf's church to go harass him at his job, which was not true. And he participated
00:20:20.260in all of these lies. So I'm actually in the process of a civil suit against Drew, Anthony,
00:20:26.320Tiffany, McAdoo, and Charleston White right now. Wow. I mean, I don't blame you one bit.
00:20:32.840Just for being a great reporter, they seem to have targeted you, which says a lot. I'm sorry
00:20:38.580about the Anthony family. None of it good that they're participating in this, that their chosen
00:20:44.180spokesperson is leading this, and that their chosen spokesperson is, again, a baby abuser.0.98
00:22:54.880I'll just quote from Billy Madison.1.00
00:22:56.320What we just heard is the most insanely idiotic thing I've ever heard.0.99
00:22:59.640at no point in that rambling nonsense this is what the major issue is in terms of i say aggravating0.99
00:23:06.140factors to the murder is the total lack of contrition like there was not one ounce of
00:23:11.480remorse one moment of expressed regret there's some things that are irreversible and you can't
00:23:16.840take them back but you can certainly uh beg for forgiveness but to mobilize and to weaponize0.59
00:23:23.520manufactured racism to victimize the victim again in death and to have i don't know who the hell0.99
00:23:30.800that woman is but it's it's not just insanely idiotic it's it's wildly dangerous to say that1.00
00:23:36.640they're celebrating the loss of life in the wake of a murder and to suggest that any form of justice1.00
00:23:43.880is white supremacy racism as opposed to taking responsibility for that which is unforgivable
00:23:50.540and irreversible. But maybe if there was the slightest degree of contrition from anyone
00:23:54.700involved in that family, there might be some form of sympathy or openness to forgiveness from the
00:24:00.900family. They make everything worse. That family, everyone representing them has made everything
00:24:05.340worse. And the idiots on the bandwagon jumping behind this manufactured garbage of racism and1.00
00:24:10.540white supremacy in order to justify what Carmelo Anthony did, it adds insult to the injury. And1.00
00:24:16.060you know the punishment is not harsh enough had he been a child you know a 17 year old child had
00:24:22.400he come out begged for forgiveness said i don't know why i did what i did there was no reason for
00:24:27.340it as opposed to a an organized orchestrated demonizing of the victim's family it's absurd
00:24:33.920and it's unforgivable we we have never heard him throughout this process say the words i'm sorry
00:24:42.040I'm sorry that I killed your son. Never. The closest we got was his mother on the stand
00:24:49.020yesterday after he'd been found guilty, saying, being asked, does he regret what he did? Yes,
00:24:54.540he regrets. That's it. With no color, you know, not able to really explain how this has deeply
00:25:00.560affected him as a man. He understands that he's taken the life of another man, a young man with
00:25:06.200his life ahead of him and the pain that he's inflicted on the Metcalf family. None of that.
00:25:10.340None of that. Instead, we have the family out there through their spokesperson again with these race lies.
00:25:16.840And now there are supporters like Thelma Anderson out there calling the Metcalfs white supremacists pigs with hate, pigs with hate.0.99
00:25:26.380Honestly, it's like. I'm going to I'm going to be nice and move on from her because she's too stupid to spend a lot of time on.1.00
00:25:35.640She's not the only one, Mark. Yesterday, we heard this from a Carmelo Anthony supporter1.00
00:25:42.460on Austin's brother, Hunter, outside of the courthouse. This is via Nick Sorter, SOT 22.
00:26:05.640Okay, you can't really understand her, but what she's saying is both of them should be dead,0.99
00:26:15.120both of them. And honestly, it's like we're hearing a lot about that as though somehow0.99
00:26:21.080the twin brother for being the same size as Austin and being there, he didn't do anything,
00:26:28.260but somehow he's culpable too. It's like they need to find a demon here other than Carmelo
00:26:33.640Anthony, and they seem to have settled on, if not Sarah, in the case of the dad and the
00:26:38.560spokesperson, the Metcalfe family, the victims, Mark. Yeah. All right. So let's break this down
00:26:43.480non-emotionally. Here's what I ask everyone, especially that woman who doesn't deserve1.00
00:26:49.440the five seconds on your show. Let's just say that the victim was black and let's say the1.00
00:26:56.840perpetrator was white. Same facts here. So they'd go, yeah, it's okay. I mean, justifiable, you know,0.92
00:27:04.500no problem. We're not going to protest. That would be intellectually dishonest, right? So those who
00:27:10.600are claiming that the jury got it wrong, that the prosecutor shouldn't have been bringing this case,
00:27:16.040that somehow this was self-defense, they're not to be taken seriously. It makes no sense.
00:27:22.460the 35 years i'll go on record and say that that's fair i think that if you to sarah's point i
00:27:29.880appreciate the emotion because as a father of three uh you know nothing is is is harsh enough
00:27:36.260i i get that i understand why sarah says it should be more but let's just take it to the extreme
00:27:41.480let's say there was no due process in this country and the laws allowed the twin brother to stand in
00:27:48.000open court and sentence him to plunging that same knife that killed his brother into the chest of
00:27:54.700the defendant, that still wouldn't be enough. It wouldn't take away the pain that this caused.
00:28:00.620It still wouldn't serve as the deterrent that we want the sentence to be. So then we have to get
00:28:04.880level-headed because that's what justice is about. And we say, as Aristotle said, you're supposed to
00:28:10.000sentence people with like cases being treated alike. So the question is, do you factor in the
00:28:16.320fact that he was 17 year old at the time okay so maybe he doesn't deserve a life sentence because
00:28:21.740of that with no prior record the facts and circumstances yeah all of that but those are
00:28:27.840what we call if we're being intellectual about this those are mitigators and he then is being
00:28:35.060compared with other people who are charged and convicted under the same statute who said i'm
00:28:40.740going to go over there for some no reason whatsoever and I'm going to kill someone and
00:28:45.780I'm 40 years old and I have a record dating back to the disco crisis if that's even mathematically0.92
00:28:50.340possible um and and that person should be given life and those who are like this 35 years absolutely
00:29:00.900I think is a fair sentence under the circumstances he will serve a minimum of 17 and a half years
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00:30:14.360So that's the problem, Sarah, is that he's eligible for parole in 17 and a half years
00:30:18.740when he'll be 36 years old, which is he has his whole life ahead of him. I mean,
00:30:26.46037. I met my husband when I was 35. We got married when I was 37. All my three kids came
00:30:33.720after that. He'll have his whole life ahead of him. So he's going to lose his 20s, basically,
00:30:39.040which it actually doesn't feel like a just sentence to me either.
00:30:42.580It does not. Can I also bring up the fact that when Kayla Hayes took the stand, it was very brief
00:30:49.520and pretty much one of the only things that she asked the jury was to please take mercy on
00:30:55.660uh kayla hayes uh which is the mother of carmelo when she took the stand regarding the sentencing
00:31:01.780yes she she kept her maiden name uh so her name is kayla hayes uh but she just said ask the jury
00:31:08.660please take mercy on my son uh please take mercy on my baby is what i think i believe i remember
00:31:15.000her saying um and when bill werski uh who is uh the prosecutor when he stood up and asked her
00:31:22.140are you still going to be able to see your son even in prison? And she said, yes. Will your son
00:31:28.160still be able to spend time with his family, even, you know, during visits from prison? And she said,
00:31:34.300yes. And then that was it. He had no further questions for her because he already proved his
00:31:38.800point. I'd also like to say that it was brought up, you know, all the lying, all the rumors and
00:31:44.940everything about Hunter. It's absolutely ludicrous, but they've been doing this from the very
00:31:50.180beginning, literally the first week that the murder occurred, they've been going after Hunter.
00:31:55.440They've been spreading rumors that Hunter, along with two other boys, actually attacked Carmelo.
00:32:00.600They purposely went to go view the footage at Frisco ISD and then have their names put on a list
00:32:06.560as if that would add credibility to them when they said, see here, I went to go see the video
00:32:12.740and this is what the video shows. And they started rumors about the video from the very beginning.
00:32:17.480I saw the video. I did not I did not see clearly the same video that they saw because they claimed that in the video he was attacked by four boys and that all these all these crazy things.
00:32:27.640Carmelo was attacked. He crab walked backwards and they literally were starting campaigns and petitions to have Hunter arrested and charged with the murder of his own brother.
00:32:38.600And those petitions are still up online, by the way.
00:32:41.460And the rumors that were spread by these people who claimed, who said that they saw the video,
00:32:46.340they're still, those lies are still being spread today that he was attacked.
00:32:50.680Dominique Alexander went live right after the sentencing and lied and said it was an all-white jury.
00:33:02.920they've they've literally been lying from the very beginning and spreading disgusting rumors
00:33:07.960about the Metcalf family from the very beginning and they're all very easily proven to be lies but
00:33:12.980even if you show them 100 the facts and the evidence of what is actually going on and what
00:33:18.540went on in this case they would still never believe it because they're going to stand by
00:33:22.120Carmelo because he's black there was no support for these allegations about a group piling onto
00:33:27.380Carmelo Anthony not at all at trial one witness tried to say oh from afar I saw a group around him
00:33:32.120And the prosecutor disproved it by getting him to admit that the group he saw in the tent and the commotion was after Carmelo stabbed Austin in the heart, which, yeah, did cause a commotion.
00:33:43.180And I'm sure they didn't want Carmelo Anthony leaving at that point, but nothing, nothing prior.
00:33:49.160All of the witness testified that Carmelo went in that tent.
00:34:23.160Collin County, Dallas, Texas, Arlington, Grand Prix, Irvin,0.89
00:34:28.260downward plain old didn't killer it ain't safe for none of you white folks to come out this0.99
00:34:34.900weekend i'm giving y'all a fair warning right now and guess what it's gonna be a bunch of niggas0.93
00:34:40.340outside that look like me and we ain't out there with no pocket knives we out there with these i0.90
00:34:45.340guarantee y'all y'all gonna pay for what that judge just did to carmelo if you don't believe0.62
00:34:50.680me bring y'all bold ass out this weekend and put on your austin mack house shirts and see what0.97
00:34:56.100happened to you okay i'm sorry but viva that's that kind of nonsense is a direct result of the0.98
00:35:03.700lies put out there by dominique alexander the lies that were just put out by roland martin who
00:35:08.460didn't challenge his lunatic guest felma anderson who was making things up about the family being0.98
00:35:15.700white supremacist pigs that like the the reporting around this has been so irresponsible in some0.99
00:35:21.740corners. And indeed, we've seen some of it on social media that you've got people incensed0.99
00:35:26.600believing some of the lies that have been put out there that Sarah just documented for us.
00:35:30.720I say like I refuse to believe that these are real people and I refuse to believe that these
00:35:35.200are genuine, sincere people expressing their genuine and sincere beliefs. But I'm not trying
00:35:40.220to be glib when you realize that not everybody is equally as intelligent or has a IQ or an EQ
00:35:45.660above a certain point. And when they're relying on the misinformation and disinformation out there
00:35:50.320above and beyond being you know there's a lot of dumb people out there who are now having access0.96
00:35:55.380to social media having access to a bullhorn and having access to news that they don't know how0.97
00:36:00.980to interpret if accurate and disinformation that they don't know how to distinguish women presented
00:36:05.100with it and then coming out and like thinking that they're the righteous ones in doing this0.99
00:36:08.960the the craziest statement that people don't appreciate how just how stupid it is is if0.99
00:36:14.400Carmelo were white he would have gotten away with the atrocity and this is an indication that it's0.99
00:36:19.300racially motivated to which i say like do you not implicitly understand that what you just0.52
00:36:23.380acknowledged is that it was an injustice but you're now prepared to let carmelo off or grant
00:36:28.860him innocence on the basis that you perceive that there would have been had the race has been
00:36:32.780reversed an injustice by letting the white kid go and so you're dealing with people who are
00:36:37.320illogical ill-informed and i'm not talking any race base or anything this is just like the aggregate
00:36:41.620knowledge of the internet and the people that reach it you're dealing with people who are
00:36:45.420uneducated ill-informed and very highly motivated when core identity issues like race become the
00:36:52.100pivotal factor in their mind so it's the result of journalism it's the result of people who think
00:36:58.120that they are the heroes in their own story and i also dare say i'm not convinced all of it is0.60
00:37:02.820organic stupidity i think there is some inorganic funding to this and you get paid actors paid0.91
00:37:07.800agitators uh sarah i'm not sure if it was you who said it but someone said oh it was brianna0.99
00:37:12.160morello who said it's tough to believe but this guy that was flipping out when the cameras were on
00:37:16.240was totally normal when the cameras were off you know my reaction is oh it's almost like it's a
00:37:20.640paid performance for the purposes of destabilizing society and now find you know appreciating that
00:37:26.180there's a george soros connection to the funding of of societal breakdown it makes sense but
00:37:32.680there's a lot of people that just they don't understand what they don't even know and they're
00:37:36.380very very proud of what they don't know wow did you see any of that yourself sarah like the guy
00:37:41.440who was acting nuts yesterday being totally calm one second then when the cameras were on
00:37:44.980freaking out um it's actually interesting that you bring that up so like i said for the majority
00:37:49.620of the time i was in the courtroom however um my good friend that i refer to as sippy cup
00:37:55.160um and you can follow him on social media he um he was up here with me every single day
00:38:00.620the entire time and he was in the parking lot the entire time waiting for me to come out because
00:38:06.060he wanted to make sure that i was safe um from these people because they have threatened my
00:38:10.300life for a year and has definitely increased throughout the trial. But he actually noted
00:38:15.400and told me the first couple of days that he noticed whenever he would turn on the camera
00:38:20.300or whenever they were aware that they were on camera, they definitely immediately began to act
00:38:26.460crazier. They would be a little bit more calm beforehand. I mean, they're all acting kind of
00:38:31.600crazy. But he said as soon as that camera was turned on to them, it's like they were getting
00:38:35.100any form of attention whatsoever, they began to just act psychotic. And he noticed it every
00:38:40.300single time. So it may not just be, you know, actors who are being funded. It also is just
00:38:47.140because they are simply receiving a little bit of fame, a little bit of attention online,
00:38:50.900and that excites them. This case is not serious to them. They don't understand that there's been
00:38:59.020a loss of life. They don't understand that a family is grieving. They don't care about the
00:39:03.140family. They don't they only care about Carmelo Anthony and making sure that they get their few
00:39:08.300minutes of fame on the camera in order to get, you know, spread viral, even if all they get is
00:39:13.780negative attention. I also just wanted to make note of this as well. And I'm sorry, Mark and
00:39:18.640Viva, I'm about to talk crap about an attorney. But I I have I take serious. They definitely
00:39:24.140don't mind. OK, I take serious issue with Mike Howard. I don't believe that there was any defense
00:39:29.380lawyer. Correct. I do not believe that there was a single fact that was ever produced by him that
00:39:35.680could have ever warranted self-defense in this case whatsoever. Instead, I think that he stated
00:39:41.660things that actually made this worse and actually encouraged the behavior of some of these Carmelo
00:39:47.920Anthony supporters that were in the parking lot and that are all throughout Texas right now.
00:39:52.000For example, during sentencing, when he was giving his argument, he was asking everyone to consider both sides.
00:40:01.620During the entire time, let me just make it clear.
00:40:03.700Bill Worski, every time he spoke, he spoke passionately and he never spoke from a script.
00:40:09.600Correct. He never he never spoke from a script.
00:40:12.660Mike Howard always spoke from a script every time that he talked like he like it was all written out for him and he was not saying anything organically.
00:40:21.240He also, during his argument for sentencing, he said that it's not the fault of, at this point, he said it's not Austin and Hunter's fault, but he was asking them to consider sudden passion due to Carmelo being terrorized.
00:40:34.760So which one is it? Is it not the fault of Austin and Hunter?
00:40:39.520Or is it because he said that they were being, it was an issue of terror?
00:40:45.800is that that's why he wanted them to consider sudden passion, which real quick, I wanted to
00:40:50.760also say when he said that sudden passion need to be considered, I thought that was interesting
00:40:55.660because I've been here since day one and I was here during jury selection. And during jury
00:40:59.760selection, the jury pool was told that sudden passion had to be off the table because sudden
00:41:05.440passion more applied. And they were talking about Texas law and they were told that sudden passion
00:41:11.780could only be considered, and they gave an example of a ranch hand walking into a barn and watching
00:41:18.300his daughter being molested or raped by someone and then taking the life of that person. They
00:41:22.840described that as sudden passion, but there is no fact or evidence to support that this was sudden
00:41:29.840passion, which made me grateful that the jury rejected the notion of sudden passion for this
00:41:36.100sentencing. So let me respond. Let me first, I agree with Sarah. I think that the defense lawyer
00:41:41.160did a horrible job in certain areas, first and foremost, by calling a witness that he barely
00:41:48.380got to speak with that went up there and said, like you said, Megan, earlier that there was a
00:41:53.460crowd during the stabbing and there clearly wasn't. And when you do that, you lose credibility with
00:41:59.660the jury, that should never have taken place. Additionally, to call no one other than his
00:42:06.740mother at sentencing, man, there's people lining up who will say he's a great kid,
00:42:12.640whether it's true or not. Write out a script for the damn kid that he pretends that he wrote0.99
00:42:17.820himself. To me, if there is malpractice at sentencing, which there's not, he committed it.1.00
00:42:23.620So I'm no huge fan of his. And Sarah was there. If he's reading from things and he's not speaking
00:42:28.440passionately to the jury like the prosecution did he was outlawed shame on him bad bad bad
00:42:33.900however if you want the sentence to stick he needs to be represented talking about due process so
00:42:41.780what's in it for you guys you need a lawyer if that lawyer gets up there and says they're not
00:42:46.900going to get you i am and they pointed their finger at their own client said he's bad and he's wrong
00:42:51.460then that would come back on appeal so you need a lawyer who's up there delivering effective
00:42:57.140assistance of counsel, which means that they're making arguments that are in the best interest of
00:43:01.760the defendant. It wasn't a whodunit. He needed to argue. The only legal argument that he could make
00:43:08.320is self-defense. It doesn't mean that it rose to the level of one that the jury would embrace,
00:43:13.240but that's the only argument he can make. And if he didn't, the case would come back on appeal
00:43:19.900because someone would say correctly that he failed to provide him an adequate defense.
00:43:24.820fair arguing the that's why he's using words like terror yeah so so i get it i got it sudden
00:43:30.680passion it was it was offered it's his job we discussed yesterday he did come back in charge
00:43:35.260of manslaughter yeah and they rejected it well no he was terrible he was i'm not mad at him
00:43:41.140because i'm happy that there's a conviction but he had to do his job i'd be mad if i were the
00:43:45.060defendant i do want to show you this so it's not just like the we were discussing whether
00:43:50.720these people are misinformed by dominique alexander you know the family social media
00:43:56.180whatever it is i actually think that a fair amount of them they're not misinformed at all
00:44:00.880it's just a race thing it's just like that black woman said outside of the courthouse two days ago
00:44:05.280we're gonna protect our own we're gonna protect our own she said it outright it's what happened
00:44:09.580in oj for some of the jurors and i think that's how a lot of people outside of this courthouse
00:44:14.700clearly feel then there's jasmine crockett so she's a lawyer i know it's shocking but she
00:44:20.220actually is a lawyer she she gets out there on the internet and actually has the following to
00:44:26.320say about the size of the knife sat 25 watch this was it a switch i don't know what he had it was
00:44:32.980like a it was it seemed like it was a multi-tool almost like a swiss army like with the little
00:44:39.060scissors and everything and whatever so it was small well i would argue the size of it alone
00:44:46.480you wouldn't even think it's a deadly weapon and that's if it was one of the little like i i don't
00:44:54.140know like i i do think that's why he went to his coach and was like but i don't think i heard him0.99
00:45:00.260that bad and she's an idiot that that was a ridiculous statement to be made on so many fronts0.99
00:45:08.040it did the trick congressman crockett so you know it's a deadly weapon okay that was insane1.00
00:45:15.780she was yeah she was somebody voted for her of disinformation yes at a houston many people
00:45:23.480here's uh but she's her career is over here's the second one listen to this well she's trying
00:45:28.140to argue uh that there was a deadly weapon there other than the knife and i'll let her explain stop
00:45:33.56026 if a 300 pound man is beating me like on top of me and beating me down i i'm not limited to
00:45:43.520to fist you know i would argue that even the only time we go into things like people's hands being
00:45:50.720um considered deadly weapons is typically like if they're a professional boxer or that kind of stuff
00:45:55.760but i think by the time you start getting to like football player good argument good freaking
00:46:02.960argument we're not talking about like the golfers we're talking about football players right like
00:46:08.800This is what they are trained to do is to inflict like serious physical contact.
00:49:49.040victimhood and without their professional victimhood they would have they would have
00:49:53.240nothing else um even the witnesses that mike howard brought onto the stand agreed that he
00:49:58.680was not surrounded and agreed that it was nothing but a push so it's all professional victimhood
00:50:03.000this is it's a group of race hustlers who are trying to create a race war and in meanwhile the
00:50:09.500the victims who happen to be white haven't done any of that they haven't done any of that it's
00:50:15.000The perpetrators, associates and supporters who are trying to create a race war here, even though this was a black on white crime, it's totally outrageous.0.73
00:50:25.080All I have to say is enjoy prison.0.96
00:58:19.1809.09 a.m. Alex Burgot for the Tories says last night there was an appalling and brutal attack in North Belfast, which was met by extraordinary bravery by some local people.
00:58:30.920So the question is, to what extent far right accounts on X are whipping this up for their own ends?
00:58:38.220Great. She's really got her eye on the ball.
00:58:41.500The strong language being used by the far right in response to someone's head almost being chopped off by an asylum seeker.0.96
00:58:49.060OK, way to have your eye on the ball, madam.0.99
00:58:52.700Joining me now, GB News host Will Kingston and Greg Swenson is here as well.
00:58:57.020Greg is chairman of Republicans Overseas UK, an organization supporting American Republicans living in the United Kingdom.
00:59:04.760He's also the co-founder of the Hamilton Society, which is an organization fighting for free speech, discourse and debate.
00:59:12.220this is unbelievable. Will, we had you on not long ago because you were railing about this exact
00:59:18.240issue, how it was affecting the UK and the public's, well, the media and some of their
00:59:24.680representatives refusal to get honest about this. And instead their knee jerk adherence to like the
00:59:30.820proper language so that nobody gets offended. Now we're seeing attempted beheadings in the street.
00:59:35.560It doesn't feel like people listen to you. No, they didn't listen. Megan, it's good to see you
00:59:39.580again one day i'll be able to come on this show and chat about a good news story in the uk but
00:59:43.860but that day is not today uh the violence that you just referred to was uh was atrocious you
00:59:51.600know no one sensible is condoning it but in many ways it is understandable if not if you can even
01:00:00.960though you can't can't condone it this is human nature if you plead with the government if you
01:00:06.120tell them repeatedly that there is huge problems in your community that is being caused by mass
01:00:13.040migration if you tell them that the multicultural project is failed and they continue to gaslight0.98
01:00:18.060you day after day after day but more than gaslighting you telling you it isn't a problem1.00
01:00:22.560telling you that you're the problem for using hurty words for sowing division and for not going
01:00:28.440along with their you know multicultural project if you feel like you're not being listened to
01:00:34.140then your natural instinct is to resort to extreme measures now that's not the right thing to do0.60
01:00:40.060absolutely not if you light someone's home on fire you should go to prison but at the same time the
01:00:44.420government needs to understand that they are complicit in this they are the ones who have
01:00:49.560driven people to these extremes but instead once again they're just going on about hurty words
01:00:54.840social division the lessons are still not being learned megan this is i think a tipping point
01:01:01.780Greg, where it's just, I think the UK has had it. I think the citizens of the UK have had it.
01:01:09.700The citizens of America have had it. And they're kind of, the UK is a little bit woker than we are
01:01:15.480and I think are drafting behind us when it comes to our reforms and the same on immigration. And
01:01:20.880over here, it did take a couple of key things, unfortunately, like the murder of Lake and Riley
01:01:26.420is one of the things that comes to mind before people who were not of the right and not already
01:01:33.060complaining about this problem realized it's gone too far. We need to do something about it.
01:01:38.120Do you think the UK is now at the at that point? Yes, definitely. I mean, the country is really
01:01:43.400demoralized right now. And it's it's the incidents like this. It's the it's the two tiered policing
01:01:49.400and two tiered justice. And not all of these things we've seen in the in the US. I mean,
01:01:54.780And I'm thinking about Sheridan Gorman, who was killed in Chicago by an illegal migrant just a few months ago.
01:02:01.000And, you know, that's what really hits home. And I think it's hitting home in the U.K., but it's not new either.
01:02:06.100It's been you know, this has been a real issue. And it just you know, I think the comments from Kathy Newman, as well as from the government,
01:02:12.320it just shows the absolute disconnect. It will point it out, the disconnect between the government and the people and the top two issues,
01:02:20.820not just in the United Kingdom, but in Ireland, where I spend a lot of time,
01:02:24.840the top two issues are cost of living and mass migration. And what are the top two issues they
01:02:30.140hear from the government? Policing misinformation, which is code for censorship, and net zero. So
01:02:36.680it's really sad. And, you know, you understand the frustration of the people now.
01:02:42.300It's not exactly the same issue, Will, but on the heels of what happened with Henry Novak,0.97
01:02:47.160this white young man who was murdered in the street by a Sikh man who was given all the0.84
01:02:56.340credibility because of his skin color. He happened to be brown, alleging that he'd been0.50
01:03:00.520attacked by Henry, which was a lie on racial grounds. Another lie. If anybody was racist
01:03:06.560in the exchange, it was the Sikh man, Vikram Digwa and his family. So it's already a powder
01:03:12.900keg over there because i i do think that there's a healthy faction of uk residents who are sick0.94
01:03:19.460sick and tired of watching white people get killed in the streets by in both of these cases one's a
01:03:27.300brown man one's one's a black man and having immediately credibility go to the person who's0.99
01:03:33.680the perpetrator and in this case this guy was allowed into the uk obviously he's mentally0.92
01:03:39.540disturbed without any screening whatsoever and sicked upon the people of ultimately Northern0.61
01:03:46.020Ireland. Like there's got to be true outrage as a result of these pair of incidents.
01:03:52.360Yeah, you're right in saying they are not the same incident, but their roots are grounded
01:03:58.360in the same toxic left wing ideology, Megan. And that is that in both instances, there is this
01:04:06.900sympathy for what are perceived to be you know ethnic minorities in an oppressed class and as a
01:04:12.740result of that special privileges need to be afforded to them in one case a two-tiered policing
01:04:18.120system in the other case the ability to get leave to remain which basically means an extended period0.98
01:04:25.400in the united kingdom despite the fact that someone has come from a culture completely alien
01:04:31.320to the united kingdom and despite the fact that this person is as we can see a monster an0.55
01:04:36.060unimaginable monster. So there is a line that runs through it. But the other line that runs through
01:04:40.660both of these cases, Megan, is that for both cases, there is footage. Now, the government in
01:04:47.640the UK for decades has just about been able to control the narrative. They've been able to
01:04:53.440suppress the rape gang scandal, which we've talked about. They've been able to minimise the threat of
01:04:58.760illegal migrants. But in the last two weeks, the UK has woken up to the most horrific footage you'll
01:05:05.500ever see. And footage shatters narratives. You can't unsee what you've already seen with your
01:05:10.500own eyes. So I think people in the last two weeks have woken up to basically the way that their
01:05:15.940government has been gaslighting them and betraying them. And if there's one good thing to come out of
01:05:20.980these two appalling incidents, it is that people are waking up because of that visceral feeling
01:05:26.160in the pit of your stomach that you can only get through seeing these sorts of
01:05:30.000awful, awful footage that, that you've, that has now been going around social media and around the
01:05:35.320world. These, these guys last night out in masks going after the immigrant communities, Greg,
01:05:43.720were at the end of their rope that like, here's a picture showing the, uh, for the listening
01:05:48.600audience, a group of men in Northern Ireland who appear to be masked, um, walking down the street.
01:05:53.860And it's, you know, it's one of those things like, sorry, but to quote Colonel Jessup,0.99
01:05:58.800you fucked with the wrong Marine like this. You're now you're in Northern Ireland and you're0.98
01:06:04.120beheading their fellow countrymen. What did you think was going to happen? I don't I'm not blaming
01:06:09.100all the immigrants there, but their government's not helping them. They're like Keir Starmer's
01:06:13.600doing nothing. And in fact, this guy was sicked upon them without a thought for their well-being
01:06:19.420over the well-being of their children. I don't I don't blame them one bit for feeling like they
01:06:23.980had to take a law into their own hands. Yeah, they just haven't been listened to. And so they've
01:06:28.280tried. I remember the United Kingdom is home to the great phrase, keep calm and carry on from
01:06:33.600World War II. And they have kept calm and they've tried to do this in a legitimately peaceful way
01:06:40.660for years now. And the government just won't listen to them. And the other challenge is
01:06:45.060this woke ideology, this, you know, the DEI has really been institutionalized, much like it was
01:06:51.380here with the Biden administration, you know, the whole of government on DEI. Well, they have this
01:06:56.240program called the Police Race Action Plan, the PRAP, that was a direct result of the George Floyd
01:07:03.680and the mostly peaceful protests back in the summer of 20. And so, you know, they've made
01:07:09.740two-tiered policing part of the training. And so these police, even if you have a rogue
01:07:15.740cop here and there, they actually are trained this way. And that's what's really unsettling
01:07:21.140about it. And then again, you have the media coming out, especially state-owned media and
01:07:25.520RTE in Ireland and BBC. And then when I was on with Will over the weekend, you know, I saw a
01:07:32.600headline from the CBC, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. And of course, the headline was
01:07:37.440far right hijacks Henry Novak. You know, it's just typical of trying to distract. It gives the
01:07:44.080politicians, these riots give the politicians an excuse to ignore the actual issue. And that's
01:07:50.840really a shame. Can I can I add to this, Megan? Oh, yeah. The the the Guardian today, the headline
01:07:55.800politicians try to calm tensions inflamed by social media after stabbing in Belfast. Do you
01:08:02.100think it might have been the stabbing in Belfast as opposed to the social media? The BBC Tuesday
01:08:07.500night disorder breaks out in Belfast after man charged over knife attack, just man charged over
01:08:14.260knife attack. Nothing about his immigration status, nothing about an attempted beheading,
01:08:18.840the blinding of a man. And then the New York Times, they did do a story on it, but no coverage
01:08:24.800on the main page Tuesday night. Same with the Washington Post. If this had been a white man
01:08:31.400potentially beheading a black man, it would be everywhere. It would be treated as George Floyd0.98
01:08:37.4202.0. Well, yeah, of course. And that was the same with Henry Novak. And it's so blindingly obvious
01:08:43.040now but to go back to the response to from those irish protesters and again it is important to
01:08:49.300caveat don't burn down buildings don't attack police officers if you do you should go to jail
01:08:54.720at the same time the politicians need to take accountability for that response if i'm sure
01:09:04.500we've probably all been in our fair share of domestic arguments over the years if when you
01:09:08.900are arguing with someone and you resort to stop it you are being hysterical what happens you get
01:09:15.600a hysterical response you make people more angry this is the mega the the meta uh equivalent of
01:09:23.840that the government is effectively saying to these people stop it you're being hysterical stop being
01:09:28.200angry they're attempting to regulate the emotions of the people and instead what they need to do is
01:09:33.820They need to say, we feel your anger as well.
01:09:57.180Unless, of course, it's George Floyd somewhere in the Midwest of America.
01:10:01.240And then we're then it's fine to be angry.1.00
01:10:03.820I have made it really clear for years, anybody that comes to Britain illegally should not be1.00
01:10:08.900allowed to stay. And when it comes to those who legally come to Britain, if they're coming to work1.00
01:10:13.880and contribute and integrate, that's fine. But if they're not, frankly, they shouldn't be here.1.00
01:10:21.100Now, to us in America, we've been listening to much sharper rhetoric than that for years now,
01:10:27.880thanks to Trump. But that's some straight talk for the citizens of the UK that they don't hear
01:10:34.080from their politicians every day. As you point out, well, Nigel Farage stands out. And I wonder,
01:10:40.260Greg, whether you think that's going to have any I don't know, like are the other politicians or
01:10:44.780the Keir Starmer's of the world who are actually in power going to have to listen? I doubt it. I
01:10:50.440mean, Keir Starmer is completely disconnected. He'll just come out with some woke statement.
01:10:54.460I mean, it's an amazing skill he has. He can talk for 10 minutes and not say anything. It's amazing.
01:11:01.340And then even locally, you know, the Lord Mayor of Belfast, her name is Rosemary Donnelly.
01:11:07.600You know, she did a two weeks ago when she first took office, she did this rant about diversity.
01:11:13.500You know, she sounded like Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London.
01:11:15.840And then, of course, the Northern Irish Assembly leader, her name is Michelle O'Neill.
01:11:20.800So in 2022, she she went on on the BBC and argued that the IRA had every right to use violence and and that, you know, because they weren't being listened to and they had to resort to violence.
01:11:32.400Well, now she's, of course, saying that, you know, all violence sped.
01:11:35.540And again, I agree with with both of you that, you know, no, you should not be burning houses down.
01:11:40.000You should not be attacking policemen. Of course not.
01:11:42.980But I think we all agree that the people just weren't listened to and the government has just ignored arguably the number one issue in both countries.
01:11:55.800Not only do I think that you won't get that type of response from the Labor Party, the equivalent of the Democrats in the UK, they will double down.
01:12:04.080Because if they were to admit that a mass migration has led to the mutilation, in this case, of men on the street, led to the sexual assault of women, led to the abuse of children, if they were to concede that multiculturalism has effectively destroyed the social fabric of the United Kingdom, they would effectively be denouncing their entire worldview, their entire reason for being.
01:12:30.200It has been their religion for 20 to 30 years now.
01:12:33.920And, you know, as well as I do, you don't renounce your religion overnight.
01:13:26.380The debate today is about our society, about our inclusive society, our welcoming society.
01:13:32.140Our conversation today is about our thoughts are very much with that gentleman who finds himself a victim of that violent and horrific attack last night.
01:13:41.060Our thoughts today are about creating calm in our society.
01:13:44.660So I think the message from here, from this platform, is very consistent.
01:13:48.020And I have no truck with your fake news.
01:13:51.840OK, so there she was, right, suggesting that the reporter who clearly asked her about open borders was off, was misinformed.
01:14:00.480And then she says she she knows to say, OK, today is not the day to talk about immigration policy, like as if she's focused on the crime.
01:14:06.560She's not. The reason we're talking about immigration policy is because this guy's there as an asylum seeker and then actually has a nerve to say, I believe in an immigration system that's compassionate and human rights compliant and in an inclusive society.
01:14:20.000I mean, a man's head was almost cut off. The mass rapes didn't do it. Greg, what's it going to take0.91
01:14:27.560for politicians like that to understand she's completely out of touch with those guys in the
01:14:34.180masks who have felt the need to march on Northern Ireland last night? Totally. And I think it was
01:14:39.820the case here only a few years ago in the US when we had 15 million people coming across the border.
01:14:45.540And so in the UK, this is, again, not a new issue. There's been so many incidents. And you can't argue anymore, like many of the politicians will, that there are one-off situations or exceptions. This is pretty consistent in the last few years in the UK and in Ireland.
01:15:03.200And that's why the people are protesting and act behaving violently, because they're just so frustrated. But you're not going to hear that from the leadership from the progressive left, that's for sure. You'll hear it from people like Nigel, of course, and then the media will call him far right and divisive. But I don't see anybody in Ireland or in the UK currently that will finally admit that this is a problem.
01:20:34.380But I think those comments were reflective of this sort of attitude amongst parts of the leftist commentariat that basically puts hurty words on the same level as actual violence.
01:20:47.400uh we saw the and megan the first time we spoke was in the wake of the awful death of charlie
01:20:56.240kirk and you saw the same attitudes coming out where people said because charlie had particular
01:21:02.240opinions well therefore in many ways that justified violence against him that was the
01:21:07.540attitude of a scary amount of people on the left and you're seeing the same thing here it's well
01:21:12.320getting your you know an illegal well not a legal migrant technically sadly but a third world1.00
01:21:19.800barbarian migrant coming in and almost chopping someone's head off is bad but at the same time0.93
01:21:26.100far-right opinions are also bad so we need to put them on the same level and if you do that1.00
01:21:32.260you're basically then justifying violence against those hurty words that is why that attitude and
01:21:39.120that equivocating is so incredibly dangerous. Yes. And it's completely off point today. It
01:21:46.060really is. It's like, why don't you spend some time? You can condemn the violence. You can say
01:21:50.540they shouldn't be burning things. You must start the discussion with, why are they burning things?
01:21:57.460Let's not go right to it's bad to burn. Why are they burning things in Northern Ireland?
01:22:04.220Could it have anything to do with the attempted beheading?
01:22:08.500Like, this is this is so much crazier.
01:22:10.720Like, George Floyd was a fentanyl addict who had enough fentanyl in his body to kill a horse,
01:22:17.880who resisted arrest, who had hurt a lot of people and found himself on the wrong side of the cops on a particular day.
01:22:25.720They treated that like it was an attempted beheading by a police officer of George Floyd.
01:22:31.800In fact, they they railroaded Derek Chauvin into his prison cell by pressuring the medical examiner and attorneys in the D.A.'s office.
01:22:41.720All of it has come out since then. But, you know, does that encourage anybody in the wake of that tragedy to actually take an honest look at like how how people have gotten to the place where they're this angry?
01:22:55.580No, they won't. And to your point, Will, and I'll run this by you, Greg. We're now seeing like seconds after the family releases that statement. Top of the BBC. Family of Belfast night victims say unrest is not welcome as extra police brought onto streets. Top of Sky News. Belfast victims families say riots not welcome. The Guardian. Families of Belfast victim appeals for calm and stresses deeply valuable contribution of many migrants. I mean, as if on cue.
01:23:25.580Yeah, it's it's like a woke mind trick. And now they're going to deflect everybody from the real issue, but then also do do their best to convince the people that that the family actually feels this way.
01:23:40.540I want to point it out. It was clearly written by some staffer, you know, at the police department.
01:23:45.620So, you know, look, it's they'll try. But I think, you know, back to the live videos, don't lie.
01:23:51.760And I think they're going to to try to bury this thing. But I don't think it will work.
01:23:56.720And the other thing we talked about George Floyd, you know, that whole that whole narrative after George during and after George Floyd about, you know, unarmed black men,
01:24:08.240And the epidemic of unarmed black men being killed by racist police officers was a complete fabrication.
01:24:14.640You know, you've probably talked to to Heather McDonald from the Manhattan Institute.
01:24:19.360I mean, many times. Yeah, the numbers just don't show that.
01:24:22.620And and so that was a myth. And the media just ran with it, including the current leadership of the United Kingdom right now.
01:24:30.220Can I make one more point? I mean, they lied so many times about these white cops who are on the hunt for black men.
01:24:36.700Total lie. In the year that George Floyd died, the Washington Post kept a running tally of those who are unarmed who were actually shot and killed by police. It was 12. It was 12. And in those 12, they counted men who were driving at cops in a vehicle.
01:24:53.420And sometimes those vehicles had guns in the glove box, but notwithstanding the fact that they were driving, you know, whatever ton car up trying to run over a cop, they were considered unarmed.
01:25:03.440That that was the peak of the year in which they said the cops had lost, you know, all control and were hunting black men.
01:25:12.080Twelve in a country of 330 million where we have 10 million stops and arrests a year.
01:25:21.220So this is all a false narrative. And now what we're seeing is repeatedly black on white or brown on white violence or murders and a police force that's paralyzed because of the lies that were told during George Floyd and thereafter and that have never stopped being told well.
01:25:38.540Yeah, that's right. And they are paralyzed for a couple of reasons. Number one, that old go to that they are afraid of being called racist, but it's not just the shame element there. They are worried that if they go to a crime scene like Henry Novak's, the Henry Novak crime scene, and they are perceived to be being racist, then that's their job. That's potential inquiries. That is public humiliation.
01:26:05.240this is the first impulse that goes through so many police officers mind right now and what has
01:26:11.140been written into so many police guidance manuals in the respective police forces across the united
01:26:17.380kingdom is that racism is determined subjectively by the person who effectively is the accuser of
01:26:25.140the racism so there's no objective test this was the big thing that came out of what was called
01:26:30.680the mcverson report in the late 90s which was delivered by the blair government who was
01:26:35.180responsible for so many of the problems that we see now in this country but basically the big
01:26:39.440thing there is it goes from being an objective legal test of what could be racist conduct
01:26:44.780to subjective if i feel that someone is being racist towards me then therefore racism has
01:26:50.860occurred and so therefore you have police officers walking on eggshells to make sure that uh to make
01:26:56.520sure that they can't be perceived, even subjectively, to be in that position. And to your point, that
01:27:01.640then paralyzes them. That's an insane, insane legal standard. This just in, the UK Telegraph
01:27:09.420is reporting the following. The Belfast knife attack victim is in a coma after being repeatedly
01:27:16.180stabbed in an unprovoked assault. The victim, who is originally from Rathcool, Newton Abbey,
01:27:22.280is disabled and has schizophrenia. So this guy is disabled, has schizophrenia, according to one
01:27:29.300neighbor, was already hearing impaired, now has lost one eye, reportedly may not be able to see
01:27:34.680as a result of this attack out of the other eye. And if the picture I saw online, which we are not
01:27:40.620showing, it's not confirmed to be him, but if it is him, a picture of him in his hospital bed,
01:27:45.900I mean, his face is completely hacked up.
01:27:50.100He's almost unrecognizable, I'm sure, to his loved ones because there are so many slashes all over it.
01:27:56.360Also via the Telegraph, Ofcom, Greg, which is the, it's a very, it's a very big brother, it's like scary organization.
01:28:08.400Every time you hear Ofcom, it's like, it's just a very creepy situation where they're trying to crack down on free speech.
01:28:14.840which it's what happens on the airwaves in particular, but it includes social media.
01:28:20.800They've written to social media platforms over online posts that they believe could have, quote, incited the riots on Tuesday.
01:28:29.480This is crazy. You know what incited the riots?
01:28:32.600This guy from the Sudan had tried to behead a guy from Northern Ireland.
01:28:36.800The watchdog said it was contacting specific providers, although it would not confirm which ones, quote,
01:28:43.280where we believe there are specific risks around the presence of illegal content relating to the
01:28:49.740civil unrest. Talk about not seeing the forest through the trees. Yes, it's really Orwellian
01:28:56.000completely. And Ofcom, I mean, we know a lot about Ofcom at GB News, that's for sure.
01:29:01.480It's really outrageous what they're doing. And they've been at this for years. I mean,
01:29:06.340you know, the same with the Biden administration during the COVID crisis, right? You know,
01:29:12.400if you said anything about the Great Barrington Declaration, you were taken down on Twitter at
01:29:18.720the time. And so it's the same with Ofcom. They are definitely thought police and are a real
01:29:26.500burden on the conservative media, for sure. They'll let the BBC do whatever they want.
01:29:32.080You know, they'll doctor videos at the BBC. I don't see Ofcom ever hassling the state-owned
01:29:38.580media. But it's it's really a shame. And I would like to do something about Ofcom in the UK. That's
01:29:44.460for sure. Well, the other thing is, if you're if you are on the news on the BBC or in the UK and
01:29:50.840you say something hateful or racist about whites, you're good. It's no problem. We've seen that.0.98
01:29:55.540We've seen commentators. I'm trying to think of the specific one. It was around, I think,
01:30:00.120one of the royal events. But she said something so blatantly racist. They don't care. That's fine.
01:30:04.980You can be as anti-white as you want, Will. It's just if you say anything, you know, that might sound a little insurrection-y around an attempted beheading of a white citizen in Northern Ireland, then Ofcom may come knocking on your social media platform.0.95
01:30:19.040Yeah, I think I've said this to you before, Megan, but I am so incredibly jealous of your First Amendment, because that certainly is not the case in the UK. And as is the case with all speech censorship since the beginning of time, it is inherently subjective. And that subjectivity comes from, well, what is the establishment belief? And then let's try and ingrain that belief.
01:30:43.520so greg is right you know that they're and i'm not i'm not playing victim here as a gb news
01:30:49.800presenter but it is just a fact that the gb news is targeted by people who put in ofcom complaints
01:30:56.280to a considerably higher degree than the bbc or sky news uh and the other thing which needs to be
01:31:03.220said is that so many forms of bias and megan you know this better than anyone are not necessarily
01:31:09.060just what is said on the news or how it is framed is what stories are chosen and what aren't chosen
01:31:14.720and in that respect organizations like the BBC like Sky News are the most biased organizations
01:31:20.140of all because they won't touch some of the stories that really matter they were dragged
01:31:23.960kicking and screaming to talk about two-tier policing they didn't touch rape gangs they
01:31:29.400didn't touch the illegal migrant crisis now interestingly they've had to get there and I
01:31:34.280think GB News plays a big role in that, just dragging them to sensible positions. But the
01:31:39.880reality is the bias so often comes in the media from what is and is not said. And that's the
01:31:45.880thing which I think sometimes goes missed, is missed. Here is the latest now from the BBC,
01:31:53.080speaking of them, how the rage machine on social media inflamed violence in Belfast.
01:32:00.220How embarrassed would you be if you published that as the lead to today's news out of Northern Ireland?
01:32:14.720I've been investigating for the BBC's Top Comment podcast how what happened in Belfast is a part of a pattern of violence inflamed by social media algorithms.
01:32:27.620All these posts are recommended by algorithms, which run on emotions like rage, hate online, and then offline is directed at immigrants, many of whom have nothing to do with the incident.
01:32:39.360This happened during the riots after the murder of three girls in Southport.
01:32:43.280It happened after allegations of a gang rape in Epson.
01:32:46.320This is unbelievable, which turned out not to have happened.
01:32:49.060And it occurred following the murder of teenager Henry Novak.
01:33:13.100Well, like I don't you can't help the BBC.
01:33:16.680That's why GB News was born, by the way.
01:33:18.580It's like you can't you just have to move on without this organization.
01:33:21.520Yeah. It's such an interesting insight into the lefty mindset in that they really just think people are idiots. They think if you see something, you will then believe something, you will then do something as a consequence of that belief. They think that everyone is lemmings. And it may well be because most lefties are lemmings and they do that. But if you are on the right, you generally are more pragmatic and you generally have better critical thinking skills.1.00
01:33:44.820but it is their belief that if you are exposed to something you therefore will adopt that view and
01:33:50.280therefore it is our obligation to suppress information like this is total you know
01:33:55.000authoritarianism 101 um and that is why in the wake of these sorts of tragedies like henry novak
01:34:02.600and like what we saw in belfast i bet you anything social media censorship and censorship laws more
01:34:08.920generally are never far behind because it is easier for them to suppress speech than it is
01:34:15.000to actually deal with the root cause problems that we were talking about earlier. You know,
01:34:19.960right now, right now, I am working with Lawrence Fox, who got fired from GB News. That's another
01:34:26.440story for nonsense. But I'm working with him because he was going to have a debate at Oxford
01:34:34.140Union that was proposed by a Palestinian woman who happens to be Muslim, and she wanted to have a
01:34:41.280debate about Islam's role in the West and whether it's being unfairly demonized, as is her POV,
01:34:47.840or not, or whether it's not consistent with Western democracies. They wouldn't allow it1.00
01:34:53.760to happen. They shut it down. Like, it was too incendiary to discuss. We're trying to bring it
01:34:59.700here to America because we can still talk about things like that. As far as I know, we're still
01:35:03.720a lot of talk about that stuff. But this is part of the problem, Greg, is that like you can't you
01:35:09.840can see them trying to shut down the discussion of immigration, trying to shut down any expression
01:35:14.300of outrage over the fact that this was an immigrant. The UK more and more has decided
01:35:18.640that to silence the objections is the way to solve these problems as opposed to addressing
01:35:23.760these problems in the first place. That's exactly right. And again, it's been it's been
01:35:28.680happening for years now. And I think, you know, possibly peaked in 2021 only until recently when
01:35:34.880we've had these, you know, tragic events. So they'll continue to argue that it's social media
01:35:40.860or that it's the far right. And recall, you know, over the last few years when they'd always kind
01:35:46.120of create, you know, a boogeyman of far right. And, you know, 90 percent of the open cases in,
01:35:53.360you know, in the police services or just like in the FBI in the U.S., you know, 90 percent are
01:35:59.180Islamist terrorism. And yet leaders like like Biden and Keir Starmer are running around saying
01:36:06.480that, you know, the biggest threat to our democracy is right wing, you know, far right extremists.
01:36:11.000It's just it's it's silly that they they try to basically convince people of something that just
01:36:18.440isn't there. It's just not true. So either leave the real news off or fabricate some fake news.
01:36:24.720It's pretty outrageous. And I think that, you know, good for competition because at least the
01:36:29.860free market works. And that's why, you know, there's there are alternatives now. And in many
01:36:36.200respects, it's social media that has provided these alternatives. On the bright side, we are
01:36:42.920I mean, we do have to spend a minute on this hero, this guy, my to you, mag to hearman.
01:36:49.960I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, but this is the guy who took that paddle.
01:37:01.860There's no question that he would be dead if this guy hadn't stepped in.
01:37:06.800There's a report in the Telegraph that he stepped in, quote, he just landed there.
01:37:12.900by chance and managed to, quote, protect a lad. A woman who claims to be his either wife or just
01:37:20.360partner was saying yesterday how proud she was of him. But I mean, this is true heroism. And then
01:37:26.740as soon as he got in, others came to help too. That is incredibly gutsy because you guys,
01:37:33.680the assailant had a knife, was clearly deranged. And this guy, Mag, did not. I mean, he had a paddle,
01:37:41.120but you know and the guy's got a knife and he's a deranged man all the other citizens who are
01:37:46.980watching this and some of whom were filming it said they were keeping their kids indoors they
01:37:50.900were staying so they were scared of course that's what i would do i would never go over it i don't
01:37:54.900think i have it in me um but that's a national hero right there and i think that attitude is
01:38:00.980coming out more and more now on the streets of northern ireland where like he stood up and these
01:38:05.620others are ready to stand up right now too well yeah so for an american audience i guess the
01:38:10.440closest equivalent is a lacrosse stick now i would not it looks like a like a cricket bat almost
01:38:16.820right like a cricket bat yeah but i don't or like an oar looks like an oar yeah you'd row a canoe
01:38:21.820megan i think it's a field yeah that's that kind of you know big big the big knob at the end it's
01:38:29.200it's a weapon i have one i always keep it handy in case someone tries to break into my place when
01:38:34.280i don't have a gun yeah yeah just and this guy mag was not kidding around with it either he went
01:38:38.900over there and started wailing on that guy it's very satisfying to watch good good in short but
01:38:44.380the other thing megan i would say is that heroism i think is even more noble given the stories that
01:38:52.080we have seen in recent years of the good guy getting punished in these situations now i imagine
01:38:58.120american audience their brain instantly goes to daniel penny um this was in some respect you know
01:39:03.400This is a more extreme story, of course, but in that moment, we have seen examples where if you are the good guy, you are going and you're, you know, let's say that, you know, let's say that that stick got him on the temple, killed him.
01:39:18.600You know, I wouldn't be surprised in this day and age in Western legal system, they get charged with manslaughter.
01:39:25.960so in order to to basically put that to one side as well as the obvious fear of going up to a
01:39:33.500lunatic with a knife and to do that is extraordinary and and you're right to actually
01:39:38.320call that out because in these sorts of grim dark days you need to look for those little bright
01:39:43.300sparks of humanity and terrorism i know and look i don't condone i don't like riots here and i
01:39:49.960don't like riots there and i certainly don't like seeing people's homes get burned down
01:39:53.620But this has to be the point at which the UK authorities do something serious about their borders. Stop. Just stop. Even now, what we see is a report that the Reform Party is pledging to ban visas for Sudanese citizens. Okay, great. But I mean, here in our country, it would be total ban.
01:40:14.380We're not taking any. That's what Trump would do. We're done with the with the foreign citizens.
01:40:18.960We have enough. Isn't that where Europe is right now? Not just the UK.1.00
01:40:23.040That's where Europe is at this point, Greg. Yeah, it's outrageous.
01:40:26.020I mean, the UK plus Europe is 25 percent of world's GDP and yet it's 60 percent of global welfare spending.0.92
01:40:34.060And a lot of that is going to both legal migrants and illegal migrants.
01:40:39.240It's really outrageous. And again, that's why you see the frustration where taxpayers are funding illegal migrants.
01:40:46.300They get hotel rooms, they get free food, they get free everything. So it's that's part of the formula here.0.88
01:40:53.320There was a caller who phoned in. Was it Sky News? He called into it. Was it GB?
01:40:58.680This person called into one of the local stations and it's it's all over online.
01:41:07.700I want to play some of it for you guys here. Stand by. Listen.
01:41:37.700target-rich environment, you haven't vetted them, you've done nothing.
01:41:41.660All you've done is dump them in a place where they can wreak havoc.