The Megyn Kelly Show - Karmelo Anthony Supporters Cry Racism, and UK Leaders Downplay Near-Beheading By Migrant, with Sarah Fields, Eiglarsh, Frei, Kingston, and Swenson ｜ Ep. 1336

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00:01:12.260 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. You're going to want to tune

00:01:16.160 into the whole show today because in our second hour, we have an important update, many of them,

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00:01:26.240 You need to hear what's going on with his important story and what it means for Western

00:01:30.740 civilization. We have that covered. But first, we were live on YouTube yesterday when a jury

00:01:36.160 in Collin County, Texas convicted Carmelo Anthony of murder for his April 2nd, 2025 stabbing of

00:01:43.340 17-year-old Austin Metcalfe at a track meet in Frisco, Texas. Carmelo was also 17 at the time.

00:01:50.140 He's now 19 at the time of trial. And last night, that same jury sentenced Carmelo Anthony to 35 years in prison, rejecting the defense argument that he acted with, quote, sudden passion, which could have reduced his sentence to just two years, two years.

00:02:09.380 The sentence would have allowed it to be knocked way down and 35 years is outside the range.

00:02:15.180 That would have been acceptable had they accepted sudden passion as a mitigating factor.

00:02:20.720 Clearly, the jury said no.

00:02:23.160 Carmelo now in the custody of the state.

00:02:25.180 As you can see on the screen, this is his post-conviction mugshot.

00:02:29.780 I mean, you can't help but see how young he is.

00:02:34.000 This is so sad.

00:02:36.340 He's so young.

00:02:37.440 He's a good-looking kid.

00:02:38.460 he had his whole life ahead of him. And as I said on the air yesterday, this was like a murder

00:02:44.160 suicide. He murdered Austin Metcalf and he suicided himself in a way. His whole life is gone. Gone.

00:02:53.360 I mean, he's going to be eligible for parole in 17 and a half years, about the same amount of time

00:03:00.040 that Hunter, that Austin Metcalf was on this earth. But this is a tragedy all around. He ruined his

00:03:09.960 own life and he took Austin's life. Austin's father, Jeff, his mother, Megan, and his twin

00:03:16.840 brother, Hunter, giving victim impact statements after the sentencing. It's very weird how they

00:03:21.740 do things in Texas, like after the sentencing. By the way, Carmelo's parents reportedly failing

00:03:29.560 to stick around to hear from the Metcalfs, and Carmelo refusing to look his victim's family

00:03:35.540 in their eyes despite their request that they do so. The parents did not stick around for the son's

00:03:42.680 sentencing proceeding. I mean, this is just, obviously, this is how this kid got this way.

00:03:47.820 There's something wrong with the parents, okay? There is. According to the Daily Mail's Marianne

00:03:53.500 Martinez, Austin's father just went off on Carmelo saying, quote, you failed your parents,

00:03:59.560 You failed yourself. You failed society. And you don't belong in this community.

00:04:04.760 Continuing, quote, you're going to prison. You can't even look me in the eyes right now,

00:04:08.840 but you can stab my fucking son in the heart. Oh, my God, the anguish. This poor father. 1.00

00:04:17.160 I just you can't even you can't even understand it, right? The family not speaking to reporters

00:04:23.160 after the sentencing, but they did appear with Collin County D.A. Greg Willis,

00:04:26.780 the Metcalf family as he praised the verdict. Watch. Today, justice was served. A year ago,

00:04:34.640 when this senseless murder unfolded, I said that it had struck a deep nerve in Collin County and

00:04:39.500 far beyond. I asked our community to ignore all the noise and instead be level-headed and patient

00:04:49.840 as the process worked.

00:04:52.600 And today, the process delivered accountability.

00:04:56.400 I'm especially honored to be joined here today

00:04:58.520 by Jeff and Megan Metcalf and their son Hunter.

00:05:05.860 Their strength and grace throughout this unimaginable journey

00:05:11.340 has been inspiring.

00:05:13.940 They won't be taking questions at this time,

00:05:16.080 but their presence here speaks volumes

00:05:18.280 about their commitment to seeking justice for Austin.

00:05:22.740 Here for Reaction, our attorney and co-host of MK True Crime Show,

00:05:27.040 the MK True Crime Show Positively Legal, Mark Eiglarsh,

00:05:30.700 former litigator and Rumble creator, Viva Frye,

00:05:33.300 and for her first appearance on the MK Show, independent journalist, Sarah Fields,

00:05:37.280 who has been covering this case soup to nuts and was in the courtroom throughout Carmelo's trial.

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00:07:04.840 Great to have you all. Sarah, let me start with you. Can you just describe

00:07:09.120 the atmosphere. We went off the air before they came back. They took a break after the jury

00:07:14.560 verdict of guilty was handed down. And then they came back for the sentencing hearing. We heard

00:07:21.280 the mother's testimony. We didn't hear it. We weren't in the courtroom. But then things got

00:07:26.340 very emotional, as I understand it, from when things resumed, when we got the sentence handed

00:07:30.760 down, and then when Austin's family started taking the stand. Can you walk us through it?

00:07:34.980 Yes. So during sentencing, you could visibly see Carmelo. He was visibly shaking. Mike Howard had his hand on his shoulder and he was crying. Of course, the judge entered, the jury entered, and they determined that there was no sudden passion.

00:07:54.480 and he was given the 35 years sentencing.

00:07:59.000 And I wrote everything down in notes.

00:08:02.380 I was literally in the courtroom with just notepad and pen

00:08:05.060 because I wasn't allowed anything else.

00:08:06.980 So everything is going off my notes.

00:08:09.360 I wrote here that he should have gotten life

00:08:11.560 and I 100% believe he should have.

00:08:14.060 You just showed the press conference that they had

00:08:17.300 and I believe it was with Greg Willis

00:08:20.020 and he said justice has been served here today.

00:08:22.680 And I don't personally, I don't believe that justice can never really, truly be served here on this earth.

00:08:28.860 But I would also like to point out that during sentencing, the actual sentencing of 35 years, I did not I was not able to see Carmelo's parents in the courthouse, in the courtroom at all.

00:08:41.480 They were they were not inside the courtroom during sentencing.

00:08:45.340 So that it is it is unbelievable.

00:08:48.940 It's also unbelievable that when he was given the actual guilty verdict before sentencing, there was a very large amount of Carmelo Anthony supporters in the courtroom.

00:08:59.560 And right after he was given the sentencing of or excuse me, right after he was given the verdict of guilty, they all immediately left the courtroom before it was even before the courtroom was even dismissed.

00:09:09.200 They turned in their badges and they all left, which I thought was interesting considering they all consider themselves advocates of the Anthony family, but they abandoned them probably during the most difficult time of the entire trial.

00:09:21.220 And then the parents abandoned their son.

00:09:23.320 Correct. Yes. And so during the sentencing, you could feel the tension in the room.

00:09:32.060 You could feel the pain and the anger and the anguish.

00:09:35.260 I was sitting directly behind the Metcalf family and you could tell that they felt like it was not enough because it's never going to be enough.

00:09:43.620 I mean, Megan Metcalf said that you've been given a sentence of 35 years behind bars and you should feel lucky because I've been sentenced to a lifetime without my son.

00:09:55.680 It was hard.

00:09:59.080 It was hard for everybody.

00:10:00.520 It's like when this twin brother, Hunter, took the stand.

00:10:03.620 I can't imagine because they are identical.

00:10:06.240 I mean, he looks exactly like his deceased twin brother.

00:10:10.280 It does.

00:10:11.380 When Hunter took the stand and gave his victim impact statement,

00:10:16.640 honestly, he was very soft-spoken.

00:10:20.860 He was very respectful.

00:10:22.680 But he was very straightforward, honestly, a very honorable young man.

00:10:26.780 And the first thing he did, and you could tell that this was kind of off his script, but he asked Carmelo to look him in the eye.

00:10:36.800 He said, man, just out of respect, can you at least look me in the eye while I'm talking to you?

00:10:44.860 And Carmelo did look up for about 15 seconds, and then he looked right back down and did not look at Hunter for the remainder of Hunter's victim impact statement.

00:10:54.220 um he just asked him to respect that please and he he refused to respect that he looked down for

00:11:00.660 the majority of the uh actually for all of the victim impact statements he was looking down the

00:11:04.880 only time he looked up was when um hunter asked him to to look him in the eye and so but hunter

00:11:11.420 continued he didn't you know after after he he decided to look down he didn't bring it up again

00:11:17.400 but it basically just showed everybody where uh carmelo's heart is um but he just he told him he

00:11:23.940 said, you took someone away who was supposed to be an uncle to my children and a godfather to my

00:11:29.320 children. And he said, eventually your name will be forgotten, but my brother's legacy will live

00:11:34.460 forever. And Carmelo still refused to look him in the eye. Wow. That's so emotional. The mom and

00:11:42.740 the dad, can you describe them and how they were on the stand and the impact you think they had

00:11:47.800 in that courtroom um yes megan metcalf um you you can you can feel anger uh well i i would

00:11:58.520 definitely say that one of the number one emotions that you could feel was anger um and rightfully so

00:12:03.480 megan metcalf um was very clear spoken it was she definitely wanted every single word to burn in the

00:12:12.400 brain of Carmelo for the rest of his life. But she said that the morning, which she's speaking

00:12:17.900 of the morning of April 2nd, she got her morning hug and an I love you. She said that Austin was

00:12:24.540 a really good hugger. And she said, I did not know that it would be the last time that I would feel

00:12:29.760 his arms around me. And then, like I said before, she said that you've, you know, you've been given

00:12:34.880 a sentence of 35 years and you should feel lucky because none of them, all of them have been

00:12:41.340 sentenced a lifetime without Austin. Carmelo's head was still down during that time. Jeff was

00:12:48.740 quite a bit more colorful and he definitely went off script. And I don't blame him. I kind of had

00:12:55.040 a feeling he would because that's who Jeff is. And he was very passionate and he was very angry.

00:13:02.840 During his victim impact statement, he shared a video with everybody that was in the courtroom

00:13:09.860 and he let it play while he spoke and during that video he basically played a series of

00:13:16.480 pictures and video footage of austin and hunter together just uh living their lives from the time

00:13:22.700 that they were babies all the way up until they were teenagers um and it definitely made it

00:13:27.920 so much even more impactful than it already was because we got to watch that while we listened

00:13:34.900 to jeff and um he he said he they were robbed and he begged carmelo to not look down he said

00:13:43.920 don't look down but carmelo continued to look down he would never look at jeff um

00:13:50.020 and he said that if you asked me what my son's death did to me it destroyed a part of me and he

00:13:57.720 meant that when he said it destroyed a part of me it was a part of him that he was never going to

00:14:01.520 get back he also said that people think that grief is trauma and he said it's not it's rage

00:14:07.220 and when he screamed he screamed rage and he slammed his fist on the table in front of him

00:14:13.100 um everybody was very quiet and um everybody was sobbing he said a piece of him died with his son

00:14:22.040 but he still expected to keep living it was it was hard when when he was finished when he was

00:14:29.820 done with his victim impact statement um because he was getting because you could definitely tell

00:14:35.200 that he was very angry um a deputy walked up to him and escorted him uh around the courtroom and

00:14:42.840 as he walked around the courtroom he stared a hole into Carmelo he just stared at him the entire time

00:14:48.000 he walked past him um but he controlled himself and he was able to sit back down and I'm glad that

00:14:55.060 I'm honestly glad that he went off script because it felt so much more raw and it needed to be.

00:15:02.620 Was it just the three family members and then that concluded?

00:15:06.360 And then it was at the end of the proceedings?

00:15:08.120 There was one other victim impact statement that was given by Austin's aunt.

00:15:13.100 She was the first one.

00:15:14.320 There were actually four.

00:15:15.560 It was Austin's aunt, then Megan Metcalf, then Jeff Metcalf, then Hunter.

00:15:21.400 Austin's aunt was, like I said, the first.

00:15:23.460 and she said that she received the phone call from Megan

00:15:28.420 and she said that on the morning of April 2nd

00:15:32.460 and she said that her sister's screams on the phone

00:15:34.600 will always haunt her.

00:15:36.280 And the one question that will always remain with her is why?

00:15:39.680 And it was right around this time that I noticed

00:15:41.800 that Carmelo's mom and dad was not in the courtroom.

00:15:46.900 And then we don't have an answer to why.

00:15:49.000 All these months later, without them having put

00:15:53.220 the defendant on the stand, even the mother in her attempt to plead for a lesser sentence

00:15:58.840 wasn't able to provide a why. We have no idea why. I mean, we have speculation. We have my

00:16:04.220 own speculation. In fact, I'd like to ask you about it because my own speculation yesterday

00:16:08.760 on the air, Sarah, and you've been a lot closer to this case than anybody really,

00:16:12.760 not representing somebody, is that this family is, they've leaned into racial grievance.

00:16:20.160 that why what else explains the hiring of this dominique alexander who's a race hustler not to

00:16:27.760 mention a baby beater as their family spokesperson who is injecting race into this calling the family

00:16:34.540 the racists um suggesting this is some sort of white supremacist zero evidence of that

00:16:41.900 So he decides to smear this hurting, innocent family after his client's son took their son's life.

00:16:51.240 And the family stood there.

00:16:52.500 The mother and dad stood there and let him do it, trying to look like victims, like they were the victims holding each other.

00:16:58.220 They're not the victims.

00:16:59.460 They're not the victims.

00:17:00.720 Their son is the victimizer.

00:17:02.460 The victim was Austin and his entire family.

00:17:05.060 So I don't I mean, what is the story with this Dominique Alexander, who continues not only to go after the Metcalfs, but you, too, has taken aim at you.

00:17:15.380 I understand the father of Carmelo Anthony has taken aim at you.

00:17:19.760 You're a reporter who's been covering this.

00:17:22.100 What can you expand on that?

00:17:23.860 Yes. Dominique Alexander was very angry last year because I not only exposed him as a felon, which anyone could have exposed him for that, but I also thoroughly investigated his organization called Next Generation Action Network and determined through documentation, which you can look at all of it.

00:17:45.260 I shared all the receipts on my platforms. He is what is known as 501c3 hopping, which means that

00:17:53.040 he bounces from 501c3 to 501c3 without submitting appropriate documents to the IRS. His organization

00:18:02.900 has also not revealed their financial statements in years. And so one of the ways I was able to

00:18:11.680 determine where they get some of their money from is by going to other organizations that are similar

00:18:16.700 and looking at their financial documents and then discovering through there that they that

00:18:22.960 Next Generation Action Network was receiving donations in the amount of six figures from

00:18:28.540 other organizations that were funded by George Soros. So a lot of that reporting definitely got

00:18:36.540 a lot of attention, as well as, of course, his background of shaking a two-year-old to the point

00:18:42.020 of brain damage, family violence, constantly getting into violent fights, and his participation

00:18:47.880 in some of the Dallas riots years ago. And he got very angry that that got millions of views,

00:18:56.220 and he made that clear at his press conference when he honestly very stupidly

00:19:01.260 pulled up a printout of one of my ex posts that actually was revealing a threat towards me 0.99

00:19:13.180 where they said that they were going to rape me. And he printed that out and held it up at his

00:19:19.560 press conference and said, this is Sarah Fields. I've never heard of this woman. And she's getting

00:19:24.640 millions of views. And he was clearly angry and definitely put a target on my back from

00:19:29.720 all of the uh racists that definitely follow him and pay attention to him um it yeah and so

00:19:39.080 uh there's also individuals who uh consider themselves and call themselves the advocates

00:19:43.940 for the Carmelo Anthony family um there's one individual by the name of Tiffany Billions aka

00:19:49.080 Tiffany McAdoo um who says that she is the chosen advocate for the Anthony family and when she said

00:19:56.040 this, it was on a live stream and Drew Anthony was on the live stream with her and did not deny

00:20:02.420 that she was a chosen advocate for the family. And they proceeded to spread rumors that I had

00:20:08.000 sent people to his job to get him fired, which is 100% not true, that I had arranged with groups

00:20:14.080 from Jeff Metcalf's church to go harass him at his job, which was not true. And he participated

00:20:20.260 in all of these lies. So I'm actually in the process of a civil suit against Drew, Anthony,

00:20:26.320 Tiffany, McAdoo, and Charleston White right now. Wow. I mean, I don't blame you one bit.

00:20:32.840 Just for being a great reporter, they seem to have targeted you, which says a lot. I'm sorry

00:20:38.580 about the Anthony family. None of it good that they're participating in this, that their chosen

00:20:44.180 spokesperson is leading this, and that their chosen spokesperson is, again, a baby abuser. 0.98

00:20:50.920 Correct. 0.98

00:20:52.140 Who, as you point out, brutally abused a two-year-old baby. It's awful. So we don't know

00:20:58.080 the why, but it doesn't seem like the most upstanding family. Meanwhile, Viva and Mark,

00:21:03.340 stand by, Sarah. So happy to have you here, and thank you for that gripping description yesterday.

00:21:07.160 Thank you.

00:21:08.580 Meanwhile, this is what we're hearing. I have a lot of sound I want to get through because I

00:21:13.120 want to show you guys we were all together yesterday the the reaction that we're getting

00:21:17.400 now in the wake of the verdict and the 35 year old sentence for 35 year sentence here is attorney

00:21:24.020 Thelma Anderson she went on Roland Martin's YouTube show and said the fun she's an attorney 0.99

00:21:32.920 I don't know where she went to law school or what her credentials are but she's a disgrace 1.00

00:21:37.600 And here's what she said in COP21. 1.00

00:22:07.600 They have shown up to be the pigs that they display with hate. 0.99

00:22:13.760 They are celebrating the loss of life and the loss of freedom. 0.99

00:22:21.080 So that's the energy.

00:22:23.160 We have a devastated family who didn't know that they was going to have to let their son go back into a holdover.

00:22:31.600 because we have an overzealous prosecutor who lied throughout this trial, 0.52

00:22:37.540 who put on liars as witnesses in order to be a saving grace for the white community

00:22:47.260 so that they can win an election. 0.81

00:22:51.400 This is unbelievable.

00:22:53.280 Viva, do you want to take that one?

00:22:54.880 I'll just quote from Billy Madison. 1.00

00:22:56.320 What we just heard is the most insanely idiotic thing I've ever heard. 0.99

00:22:59.640 at no point in that rambling nonsense this is what the major issue is in terms of i say aggravating 0.99

00:23:06.140 factors to the murder is the total lack of contrition like there was not one ounce of

00:23:11.480 remorse one moment of expressed regret there's some things that are irreversible and you can't

00:23:16.840 take them back but you can certainly uh beg for forgiveness but to mobilize and to weaponize 0.59

00:23:23.520 manufactured racism to victimize the victim again in death and to have i don't know who the hell 0.99

00:23:30.800 that woman is but it's it's not just insanely idiotic it's it's wildly dangerous to say that 1.00

00:23:36.640 they're celebrating the loss of life in the wake of a murder and to suggest that any form of justice 1.00

00:23:43.880 is white supremacy racism as opposed to taking responsibility for that which is unforgivable

00:23:50.540 and irreversible. But maybe if there was the slightest degree of contrition from anyone

00:23:54.700 involved in that family, there might be some form of sympathy or openness to forgiveness from the

00:24:00.900 family. They make everything worse. That family, everyone representing them has made everything

00:24:05.340 worse. And the idiots on the bandwagon jumping behind this manufactured garbage of racism and 1.00

00:24:10.540 white supremacy in order to justify what Carmelo Anthony did, it adds insult to the injury. And 1.00

00:24:16.060 you know the punishment is not harsh enough had he been a child you know a 17 year old child had

00:24:22.400 he come out begged for forgiveness said i don't know why i did what i did there was no reason for

00:24:27.340 it as opposed to a an organized orchestrated demonizing of the victim's family it's absurd

00:24:33.920 and it's unforgivable we we have never heard him throughout this process say the words i'm sorry

00:24:42.040 I'm sorry that I killed your son. Never. The closest we got was his mother on the stand

00:24:49.020 yesterday after he'd been found guilty, saying, being asked, does he regret what he did? Yes,

00:24:54.540 he regrets. That's it. With no color, you know, not able to really explain how this has deeply

00:25:00.560 affected him as a man. He understands that he's taken the life of another man, a young man with

00:25:06.200 his life ahead of him and the pain that he's inflicted on the Metcalf family. None of that.

00:25:10.340 None of that. Instead, we have the family out there through their spokesperson again with these race lies.

00:25:16.840 And now there are supporters like Thelma Anderson out there calling the Metcalfs white supremacists pigs with hate, pigs with hate. 0.99

00:25:26.380 Honestly, it's like. I'm going to I'm going to be nice and move on from her because she's too stupid to spend a lot of time on. 1.00

00:25:35.640 She's not the only one, Mark. Yesterday, we heard this from a Carmelo Anthony supporter 1.00

00:25:42.460 on Austin's brother, Hunter, outside of the courthouse. This is via Nick Sorter, SOT 22.

00:26:05.640 Okay, you can't really understand her, but what she's saying is both of them should be dead, 0.99

00:26:15.120 both of them. And honestly, it's like we're hearing a lot about that as though somehow 0.99

00:26:21.080 the twin brother for being the same size as Austin and being there, he didn't do anything,

00:26:28.260 but somehow he's culpable too. It's like they need to find a demon here other than Carmelo

00:26:33.640 Anthony, and they seem to have settled on, if not Sarah, in the case of the dad and the

00:26:38.560 spokesperson, the Metcalfe family, the victims, Mark. Yeah. All right. So let's break this down

00:26:43.480 non-emotionally. Here's what I ask everyone, especially that woman who doesn't deserve 1.00

00:26:49.440 the five seconds on your show. Let's just say that the victim was black and let's say the 1.00

00:26:56.840 perpetrator was white. Same facts here. So they'd go, yeah, it's okay. I mean, justifiable, you know, 0.92

00:27:04.500 no problem. We're not going to protest. That would be intellectually dishonest, right? So those who

00:27:10.600 are claiming that the jury got it wrong, that the prosecutor shouldn't have been bringing this case,

00:27:16.040 that somehow this was self-defense, they're not to be taken seriously. It makes no sense.

00:27:22.460 the 35 years i'll go on record and say that that's fair i think that if you to sarah's point i

00:27:29.880 appreciate the emotion because as a father of three uh you know nothing is is is harsh enough

00:27:36.260 i i get that i understand why sarah says it should be more but let's just take it to the extreme

00:27:41.480 let's say there was no due process in this country and the laws allowed the twin brother to stand in

00:27:48.000 open court and sentence him to plunging that same knife that killed his brother into the chest of

00:27:54.700 the defendant, that still wouldn't be enough. It wouldn't take away the pain that this caused.

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00:28:16.320 fact that he was 17 year old at the time okay so maybe he doesn't deserve a life sentence because

00:28:21.740 of that with no prior record the facts and circumstances yeah all of that but those are

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00:30:14.360 So that's the problem, Sarah, is that he's eligible for parole in 17 and a half years

00:30:18.740 when he'll be 36 years old, which is he has his whole life ahead of him. I mean,

00:30:26.460 37. I met my husband when I was 35. We got married when I was 37. All my three kids came

00:30:33.720 after that. He'll have his whole life ahead of him. So he's going to lose his 20s, basically,

00:30:39.040 which it actually doesn't feel like a just sentence to me either.

00:30:42.580 It does not. Can I also bring up the fact that when Kayla Hayes took the stand, it was very brief

00:30:49.520 and pretty much one of the only things that she asked the jury was to please take mercy on

00:30:55.660 uh kayla hayes uh which is the mother of carmelo when she took the stand regarding the sentencing

00:31:01.780 yes she she kept her maiden name uh so her name is kayla hayes uh but she just said ask the jury

00:31:08.660 please take mercy on my son uh please take mercy on my baby is what i think i believe i remember

00:31:15.000 her saying um and when bill werski uh who is uh the prosecutor when he stood up and asked her

00:31:22.140 are you still going to be able to see your son even in prison? And she said, yes. Will your son

00:31:28.160 still be able to spend time with his family, even, you know, during visits from prison? And she said,

00:31:34.300 yes. And then that was it. He had no further questions for her because he already proved his

00:31:38.800 point. I'd also like to say that it was brought up, you know, all the lying, all the rumors and

00:31:44.940 everything about Hunter. It's absolutely ludicrous, but they've been doing this from the very

00:31:50.180 beginning, literally the first week that the murder occurred, they've been going after Hunter.

00:31:55.440 They've been spreading rumors that Hunter, along with two other boys, actually attacked Carmelo.

00:32:00.600 They purposely went to go view the footage at Frisco ISD and then have their names put on a list

00:32:06.560 as if that would add credibility to them when they said, see here, I went to go see the video

00:32:12.740 and this is what the video shows. And they started rumors about the video from the very beginning.

00:32:17.480 I saw the video. I did not I did not see clearly the same video that they saw because they claimed that in the video he was attacked by four boys and that all these all these crazy things.

00:32:27.640 Carmelo was attacked. He crab walked backwards and they literally were starting campaigns and petitions to have Hunter arrested and charged with the murder of his own brother.

00:32:38.600 And those petitions are still up online, by the way.

00:32:41.460 And the rumors that were spread by these people who claimed, who said that they saw the video,

00:32:46.340 they're still, those lies are still being spread today that he was attacked.

00:32:50.680 Dominique Alexander went live right after the sentencing and lied and said it was an all-white jury.

00:32:56.540 It's not an all-white jury.

00:32:58.600 He's just angry because there were no black people on the jury. 1.00

00:33:01.800 And that's the truth. 1.00

00:33:02.920 they've they've literally been lying from the very beginning and spreading disgusting rumors

00:33:07.960 about the Metcalf family from the very beginning and they're all very easily proven to be lies but

00:33:12.980 even if you show them 100 the facts and the evidence of what is actually going on and what

00:33:18.540 went on in this case they would still never believe it because they're going to stand by

00:33:22.120 Carmelo because he's black there was no support for these allegations about a group piling onto

00:33:27.380 Carmelo Anthony not at all at trial one witness tried to say oh from afar I saw a group around him

00:33:32.120 And the prosecutor disproved it by getting him to admit that the group he saw in the tent and the commotion was after Carmelo stabbed Austin in the heart, which, yeah, did cause a commotion.

00:33:43.180 And I'm sure they didn't want Carmelo Anthony leaving at that point, but nothing, nothing prior.

00:33:49.160 All of the witness testified that Carmelo went in that tent.

00:33:52.060 They asked him to leave.

00:33:52.900 He wouldn't leave.

00:33:53.940 He said, make me.

00:33:55.320 And Austin placed hands on him in a way that wasn't aggressive, wasn't violent.

00:34:00.320 and he got stabbed in the heart before he could even remove the hands.

00:34:04.220 I mean, it was instantaneous that he was dead.

00:34:07.000 That's how this went down.

00:34:08.120 There was no ganging up on Carmelo Anthony of any kind.

00:34:11.480 But that messaging, those lies, Viva, are why you get things like this.

00:34:15.860 This is on Twitter today.

00:34:17.200 He's making the rounds.

00:34:18.920 He appears to be from Texas.

00:34:20.520 And here's his warning in SOT 21A.

00:34:23.160 Collin County, Dallas, Texas, Arlington, Grand Prix, Irvin, 0.89

00:34:28.260 downward plain old didn't killer it ain't safe for none of you white folks to come out this 0.99

00:34:34.900 weekend i'm giving y'all a fair warning right now and guess what it's gonna be a bunch of niggas 0.93

00:34:40.340 outside that look like me and we ain't out there with no pocket knives we out there with these i 0.90

00:34:45.340 guarantee y'all y'all gonna pay for what that judge just did to carmelo if you don't believe 0.62

00:34:50.680 me bring y'all bold ass out this weekend and put on your austin mack house shirts and see what 0.97

00:34:56.100 happened to you okay i'm sorry but viva that's that kind of nonsense is a direct result of the 0.98

00:35:03.700 lies put out there by dominique alexander the lies that were just put out by roland martin who

00:35:08.460 didn't challenge his lunatic guest felma anderson who was making things up about the family being 0.98

00:35:15.700 white supremacist pigs that like the the reporting around this has been so irresponsible in some 0.99

00:35:21.740 corners. And indeed, we've seen some of it on social media that you've got people incensed 0.99

00:35:26.600 believing some of the lies that have been put out there that Sarah just documented for us.

00:35:30.720 I say like I refuse to believe that these are real people and I refuse to believe that these

00:35:35.200 are genuine, sincere people expressing their genuine and sincere beliefs. But I'm not trying

00:35:40.220 to be glib when you realize that not everybody is equally as intelligent or has a IQ or an EQ

00:35:45.660 above a certain point. And when they're relying on the misinformation and disinformation out there

00:35:50.320 above and beyond being you know there's a lot of dumb people out there who are now having access 0.96

00:35:55.380 to social media having access to a bullhorn and having access to news that they don't know how 0.97

00:36:00.980 to interpret if accurate and disinformation that they don't know how to distinguish women presented

00:36:05.100 with it and then coming out and like thinking that they're the righteous ones in doing this 0.99

00:36:08.960 the the craziest statement that people don't appreciate how just how stupid it is is if 0.99

00:36:14.400 Carmelo were white he would have gotten away with the atrocity and this is an indication that it's 0.99

00:36:19.300 racially motivated to which i say like do you not implicitly understand that what you just 0.52

00:36:23.380 acknowledged is that it was an injustice but you're now prepared to let carmelo off or grant

00:36:28.860 him innocence on the basis that you perceive that there would have been had the race has been

00:36:32.780 reversed an injustice by letting the white kid go and so you're dealing with people who are

00:36:37.320 illogical ill-informed and i'm not talking any race base or anything this is just like the aggregate

00:36:41.620 knowledge of the internet and the people that reach it you're dealing with people who are

00:36:45.420 uneducated ill-informed and very highly motivated when core identity issues like race become the

00:36:52.100 pivotal factor in their mind so it's the result of journalism it's the result of people who think

00:36:58.120 that they are the heroes in their own story and i also dare say i'm not convinced all of it is 0.60

00:37:02.820 organic stupidity i think there is some inorganic funding to this and you get paid actors paid 0.91

00:37:07.800 agitators uh sarah i'm not sure if it was you who said it but someone said oh it was brianna 0.99

00:37:12.160 morello who said it's tough to believe but this guy that was flipping out when the cameras were on

00:37:16.240 was totally normal when the cameras were off you know my reaction is oh it's almost like it's a

00:37:20.640 paid performance for the purposes of destabilizing society and now find you know appreciating that

00:37:26.180 there's a george soros connection to the funding of of societal breakdown it makes sense but

00:37:32.680 there's a lot of people that just they don't understand what they don't even know and they're

00:37:36.380 very very proud of what they don't know wow did you see any of that yourself sarah like the guy

00:37:41.440 who was acting nuts yesterday being totally calm one second then when the cameras were on

00:37:44.980 freaking out um it's actually interesting that you bring that up so like i said for the majority

00:37:49.620 of the time i was in the courtroom however um my good friend that i refer to as sippy cup

00:37:55.160 um and you can follow him on social media he um he was up here with me every single day

00:38:00.620 the entire time and he was in the parking lot the entire time waiting for me to come out because

00:38:06.060 he wanted to make sure that i was safe um from these people because they have threatened my

00:38:10.300 life for a year and has definitely increased throughout the trial. But he actually noted

00:38:15.400 and told me the first couple of days that he noticed whenever he would turn on the camera

00:38:20.300 or whenever they were aware that they were on camera, they definitely immediately began to act

00:38:26.460 crazier. They would be a little bit more calm beforehand. I mean, they're all acting kind of

00:38:31.600 crazy. But he said as soon as that camera was turned on to them, it's like they were getting

00:38:35.100 any form of attention whatsoever, they began to just act psychotic. And he noticed it every

00:38:40.300 single time. So it may not just be, you know, actors who are being funded. It also is just

00:38:47.140 because they are simply receiving a little bit of fame, a little bit of attention online,

00:38:50.900 and that excites them. This case is not serious to them. They don't understand that there's been

00:38:59.020 a loss of life. They don't understand that a family is grieving. They don't care about the

00:39:03.140 family. They don't they only care about Carmelo Anthony and making sure that they get their few

00:39:08.300 minutes of fame on the camera in order to get, you know, spread viral, even if all they get is

00:39:13.780 negative attention. I also just wanted to make note of this as well. And I'm sorry, Mark and

00:39:18.640 Viva, I'm about to talk crap about an attorney. But I I have I take serious. They definitely

00:39:24.140 don't mind. OK, I take serious issue with Mike Howard. I don't believe that there was any defense

00:39:29.380 lawyer. Correct. I do not believe that there was a single fact that was ever produced by him that

00:39:35.680 could have ever warranted self-defense in this case whatsoever. Instead, I think that he stated

00:39:41.660 things that actually made this worse and actually encouraged the behavior of some of these Carmelo

00:39:47.920 Anthony supporters that were in the parking lot and that are all throughout Texas right now.

00:39:52.000 For example, during sentencing, when he was giving his argument, he was asking everyone to consider both sides.

00:40:01.620 During the entire time, let me just make it clear.

00:40:03.700 Bill Worski, every time he spoke, he spoke passionately and he never spoke from a script.

00:40:09.600 Correct. He never he never spoke from a script.

00:40:12.660 Mike Howard always spoke from a script every time that he talked like he like it was all written out for him and he was not saying anything organically.

00:40:21.240 He also, during his argument for sentencing, he said that it's not the fault of, at this point, he said it's not Austin and Hunter's fault, but he was asking them to consider sudden passion due to Carmelo being terrorized.

00:40:34.760 So which one is it? Is it not the fault of Austin and Hunter?

00:40:39.520 Or is it because he said that they were being, it was an issue of terror?

00:40:45.800 is that that's why he wanted them to consider sudden passion, which real quick, I wanted to

00:40:50.760 also say when he said that sudden passion need to be considered, I thought that was interesting

00:40:55.660 because I've been here since day one and I was here during jury selection. And during jury

00:40:59.760 selection, the jury pool was told that sudden passion had to be off the table because sudden

00:41:05.440 passion more applied. And they were talking about Texas law and they were told that sudden passion

00:41:11.780 could only be considered, and they gave an example of a ranch hand walking into a barn and watching

00:41:18.300 his daughter being molested or raped by someone and then taking the life of that person. They

00:41:22.840 described that as sudden passion, but there is no fact or evidence to support that this was sudden

00:41:29.840 passion, which made me grateful that the jury rejected the notion of sudden passion for this

00:41:36.100 sentencing. So let me respond. Let me first, I agree with Sarah. I think that the defense lawyer

00:41:41.160 did a horrible job in certain areas, first and foremost, by calling a witness that he barely

00:41:48.380 got to speak with that went up there and said, like you said, Megan, earlier that there was a

00:41:53.460 crowd during the stabbing and there clearly wasn't. And when you do that, you lose credibility with

00:41:59.660 the jury, that should never have taken place. Additionally, to call no one other than his

00:42:06.740 mother at sentencing, man, there's people lining up who will say he's a great kid,

00:42:12.640 whether it's true or not. Write out a script for the damn kid that he pretends that he wrote 0.99

00:42:17.820 himself. To me, if there is malpractice at sentencing, which there's not, he committed it. 1.00

00:42:23.620 So I'm no huge fan of his. And Sarah was there. If he's reading from things and he's not speaking

00:42:28.440 passionately to the jury like the prosecution did he was outlawed shame on him bad bad bad

00:42:33.900 however if you want the sentence to stick he needs to be represented talking about due process so

00:42:41.780 what's in it for you guys you need a lawyer if that lawyer gets up there and says they're not

00:42:46.900 going to get you i am and they pointed their finger at their own client said he's bad and he's wrong

00:42:51.460 then that would come back on appeal so you need a lawyer who's up there delivering effective

00:42:57.140 assistance of counsel, which means that they're making arguments that are in the best interest of

00:43:01.760 the defendant. It wasn't a whodunit. He needed to argue. The only legal argument that he could make

00:43:08.320 is self-defense. It doesn't mean that it rose to the level of one that the jury would embrace,

00:43:13.240 but that's the only argument he can make. And if he didn't, the case would come back on appeal

00:43:19.900 because someone would say correctly that he failed to provide him an adequate defense.

00:43:24.820 fair arguing the that's why he's using words like terror yeah so so i get it i got it sudden

00:43:30.680 passion it was it was offered it's his job we discussed yesterday he did come back in charge

00:43:35.260 of manslaughter yeah and they rejected it well no he was terrible he was i'm not mad at him

00:43:41.140 because i'm happy that there's a conviction but he had to do his job i'd be mad if i were the

00:43:45.060 defendant i do want to show you this so it's not just like the we were discussing whether

00:43:50.720 these people are misinformed by dominique alexander you know the family social media

00:43:56.180 whatever it is i actually think that a fair amount of them they're not misinformed at all

00:44:00.880 it's just a race thing it's just like that black woman said outside of the courthouse two days ago

00:44:05.280 we're gonna protect our own we're gonna protect our own she said it outright it's what happened

00:44:09.580 in oj for some of the jurors and i think that's how a lot of people outside of this courthouse

00:44:14.700 clearly feel then there's jasmine crockett so she's a lawyer i know it's shocking but she

00:44:20.220 actually is a lawyer she she gets out there on the internet and actually has the following to

00:44:26.320 say about the size of the knife sat 25 watch this was it a switch i don't know what he had it was

00:44:32.980 like a it was it seemed like it was a multi-tool almost like a swiss army like with the little

00:44:39.060 scissors and everything and whatever so it was small well i would argue the size of it alone

00:44:46.480 you wouldn't even think it's a deadly weapon and that's if it was one of the little like i i don't

00:44:54.140 know like i i do think that's why he went to his coach and was like but i don't think i heard him 0.99

00:45:00.260 that bad and she's an idiot that that was a ridiculous statement to be made on so many fronts 0.99

00:45:08.040 it did the trick congressman crockett so you know it's a deadly weapon okay that was insane 1.00

00:45:15.780 she was yeah she was somebody voted for her of disinformation yes at a houston many people

00:45:23.480 here's uh but she's her career is over here's the second one listen to this well she's trying

00:45:28.140 to argue uh that there was a deadly weapon there other than the knife and i'll let her explain stop

00:45:33.560 26 if a 300 pound man is beating me like on top of me and beating me down i i'm not limited to

00:45:43.520 to fist you know i would argue that even the only time we go into things like people's hands being

00:45:50.720 um considered deadly weapons is typically like if they're a professional boxer or that kind of stuff

00:45:55.760 but i think by the time you start getting to like football player good argument good freaking

00:46:02.960 argument we're not talking about like the golfers we're talking about football players right like

00:46:08.800 This is what they are trained to do is to inflict like serious physical contact.

00:46:14.960 That is so dangerous.

00:46:17.040 Assumes facts, not in evidence.

00:46:19.420 I mean, he pushed him.

00:46:21.560 That's it to suggest to anyone watching her.

00:46:24.480 You'd erroneously think this 300 pound person is pounding him, which would change the facts, 1.00

00:46:30.840 would beat him.

00:46:32.200 That's what she's erroneously suggesting.

00:46:34.080 That is dangerous what she's doing.

00:46:37.100 I have to. 1.00

00:46:37.560 If you wanted to create a race riot, would you talk differently than that, Viva?

00:46:41.900 I mean, that's that's why I'm saying she's not confused. 1.00

00:46:44.940 She is just going with the race thing and pandering.

00:46:48.240 Her career's over. 0.99

00:46:50.040 She's got to she's got to serve out her term, but she's in redistricting has done her in.

00:46:55.060 She's bitter.

00:46:55.860 She's decided to lean into this persona. 0.99

00:46:57.880 And apparently it includes pandering to this panel of other black women and one guy about 1.00

00:47:04.640 how it's all austin metcalfe's fault because of his hands it is political and legal retardation 0.89

00:47:10.540 and there's no other way to explain it it's it's like saying if and i posit a number of facts which 0.97

00:47:16.400 are not the facts at issue well if my grandmother had testicles she'd be my grandfather

00:47:21.580 she she has facts that were not only not in evidence but demonstrably false from the evidence 1.00

00:47:27.760 but she knows her base is riled up racially motivated and ill-informed because they're 0.92

00:47:33.420 relying on her political and legal retardation and she comes up with a factual pattern which 0.87

00:47:38.180 if true would have been entirely different remember when um i think it's raja jackson 0.87

00:47:43.240 rampage jackson's son is wailing on that guy in the in the uh wrestling match just pounding yeah

00:47:49.440 in a circumstance like that a knife or a gun and you would be totally totally justified in a high

00:47:55.800 school shove if it was that which there's an argument that it wasn't you want the immediate

00:48:01.340 now legally justified response to a high school shove to be stabbing in the heart and coming to 0.99

00:48:06.140 the size of the knife it's as dumb as saying well it was a low caliber gun that he shot him with he 0.99

00:48:10.980 didn't use a cannon or a bazooka he just used a beretta or a pistol i mean she she's she's an 1.00

00:48:16.600 idiot i'm convinced also she is actually just stupid but she's maliciously motivated and the 1.00

00:48:21.520 only grift that they can get out of this other than demonizing and dehumanizing the victim is 1.00

00:48:26.640 to stir up a base that they know is stupid, that they know is ready for action and willing 1.00

00:48:31.940 to gobble down their lies because it makes them feel good and it gives them something 1.00

00:48:35.560 to feel good about themselves about.

00:48:37.780 In all cases like this one, there's zero evidence of white supremacy on the part of this family

00:48:42.600 or this victim, zero evidence that he beat Carmelo Anthony in any way, shape or form.

00:48:47.720 The evidence that Carmelo went there looking for a fight.

00:48:50.300 That's what the evidence showed.

00:48:51.600 And Sarah, I believe she's doing this as a as a racial tickler, for lack of a better term.

00:48:58.220 She's trying to incense people based on race, because listen to how she went on to talk about race in that same interview.

00:49:05.920 South 27. Black women, especially black women who have black male children, live in fear and agony every single day. 0.99

00:49:20.000 of fear and agony that I promise you 0.99

00:49:23.560 the Metcalfs probably never

00:49:26.340 spent a day living that way. 0.91

00:49:30.200 We're going to have to have just some real conversations about race

00:49:32.900 in this country.

00:49:34.960 Until he was murdered.

00:49:38.220 Sarah, go ahead.

00:49:39.520 I just want to say to them, Austin is not a victim.

00:49:43.320 They are the victim. They have all painted themselves as a victim.

00:49:46.200 They are, it's professional

00:49:49.040 victimhood and without their professional victimhood they would have they would have

00:49:53.240 nothing else um even the witnesses that mike howard brought onto the stand agreed that he

00:49:58.680 was not surrounded and agreed that it was nothing but a push so it's all professional victimhood

00:50:03.000 this is it's a group of race hustlers who are trying to create a race war and in meanwhile the

00:50:09.500 the victims who happen to be white haven't done any of that they haven't done any of that it's

00:50:15.000 The perpetrators, associates and supporters who are trying to create a race war here, even though this was a black on white crime, it's totally outrageous. 0.73

00:50:25.080 All I have to say is enjoy prison. 0.96

00:50:27.360 That's where you belong.

00:50:28.640 You are so lucky you got a 35 year sentence.

00:50:31.360 I would have sentenced you to 99 years, which was an option for this jury, and I wouldn't have felt bad about it for two seconds.

00:50:38.580 Good riddance.

00:50:39.920 Panel, thank you.

00:50:41.100 Very good to see all of you.

00:50:42.200 We appreciate it.

00:50:42.860 Up next, we're going to be covering the latest in Belfast after a near beheading.

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00:53:36.720 Several major developments in the horrifying attempted beheading of a man in Belfast,

00:53:41.860 Northern Ireland. The attack caught on camera and shared worldwide. There is no downplaying

00:53:47.480 the horror of what unfolded. The victim pinned to the ground while being repeatedly stabbed

00:53:52.600 about his face and neck. It was witnesses who described it as a near beheading.

00:53:58.380 The victim now identified as 41-year-old Stephen Ogilvie. During a court hearing today,

00:54:04.120 it was revealed he lost his left eye and suffered severe damage to his right eye as well,

00:54:08.820 deep cuts to his face and lacerations to his back. While not confirmed by authorities,

00:54:14.600 locals say Ogilvy is special needs and was already hard of hearing. Neighbors said the

00:54:20.640 suspect had moved into the neighborhood recently and that Ogilvy was initially attacked by two

00:54:26.640 people. Again, unconfirmed, but that is what at least one eyewitness is reporting. The suspect

00:54:31.980 is 30-year-old Hadi Al-Odid, a Sudanese national. He's now been charged with attempted murder.

00:54:40.180 He appeared in court today with an Arabic interpreter.

00:54:45.280 He did not speak when asked questions by the judge and appeared without any legal representation. 0.84

00:54:50.660 According to GB News, after he was arrested, he threatened medical staff, telling them, quote, I'll kill you.

00:54:56.340 The online news outlet Visigrad 24 releasing this photo of the suspect.

00:55:02.460 All smiles here.

00:55:04.940 Al-Adid entered the country through what's described as an asylum loophole.

00:55:09.460 per the UK Telegraph, the so-called Irish route involves migrants flying to Dublin

00:55:15.940 from Europe, sometimes on false papers. That's in the Republic of Ireland. And then they travel

00:55:23.220 unchecked up to Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK by land to only then claim they fear for

00:55:30.300 their life and need asylum. So this guy went through Paris, France, and then was in the Republic

00:55:35.880 of Ireland before he pled for asylum in Northern Ireland, which as you guys know from our own

00:55:42.860 immigration problems here, if you've been through two countries already, you don't need asylum in

00:55:48.660 Northern Ireland. You had two others. Why didn't we get our asylum in Paris, France? They love

00:55:53.880 immigrants. Go there, right? I'm sure that's how the people of Northern Ireland are feeling today.

00:55:59.220 But asylum is like, I just need to get out of my country, which is war-torn, which the Sudanese is, 1.00

00:56:05.880 for safety. Great. How did we get out of France? How did he get passed off to Ireland? And how did 1.00

00:56:13.360 Ireland pass him off to Northern Ireland? These are questions that are going to be examined.

00:56:17.880 The incident that happened again in Northern Ireland, in Belfast, is triggering wave after

00:56:24.240 wave of protests across Northern Ireland. Houses, buses, cars, and a supermarket were set on fire

00:56:32.000 yesterday and overnight. At one point, a group of mass protesters going to local migrant housing

00:56:38.540 units, kicking down doors. They're just angry. They've had it with the mass migration. Same as

00:56:45.220 we have. UK politicians like Prime Minister Keir Starmer calling for calm, saying any act of

00:56:52.140 violence is, quote, totally unjustified. And in an astonishing moment on Sky News, indicative of

00:56:59.580 some of the problem. Anchor Kathy Newman, she was with Channel 4 for many years,

00:57:05.420 she just recently joined Sky, rushed to her newsroom computer to blame the so-called far

00:57:10.300 right, taking issue with them for describing what people saw with their own eyes, just saying that

00:57:18.200 they were, quote, whipping this up for their own ends. Watch this. So let's look at how this story

00:57:23.480 unfolded on x the attack happened soon after 10 30 last night 11 39 p.m tommy robinson real name

00:57:30.320 stephen yaxley lennon posts a video on x saying horrific scenes in north belfast tonight as an

00:57:36.580 invader was caught trying to behead a man in the middle of the street now the restore mp rupert

00:57:43.140 lowe uses similarly strong language at 6 18 this morning if a migrant comes to our country and

00:57:49.180 attempts to sort a man's head off in the street.

00:57:52.000 A Restore Britain government will not deport. 0.98

00:57:54.700 With the British people's approval, that savage will be put to death. 0.52

00:57:58.900 That is not enough. 0.73

00:57:59.820 These atrocities will keep happening.

00:58:01.520 The barbarians are already inside the gates.

00:58:06.060 Now, 8.42am, Nigel Farage joins in.

00:58:10.160 What happened in Belfast last night is horrific.

00:58:12.420 The authorities must reveal the identity and status of the attacker immediately.

00:58:16.780 The public are entitled to the truth.

00:58:19.180 9.09 a.m. Alex Burgot for the Tories says last night there was an appalling and brutal attack in North Belfast, which was met by extraordinary bravery by some local people.

00:58:30.920 So the question is, to what extent far right accounts on X are whipping this up for their own ends?

00:58:38.220 Great. She's really got her eye on the ball.

00:58:41.500 The strong language being used by the far right in response to someone's head almost being chopped off by an asylum seeker. 0.96

00:58:49.060 OK, way to have your eye on the ball, madam. 0.99

00:58:52.700 Joining me now, GB News host Will Kingston and Greg Swenson is here as well.

00:58:57.020 Greg is chairman of Republicans Overseas UK, an organization supporting American Republicans living in the United Kingdom.

00:59:04.760 He's also the co-founder of the Hamilton Society, which is an organization fighting for free speech, discourse and debate.

00:59:10.760 Guys, welcome to the show.

00:59:12.220 this is unbelievable. Will, we had you on not long ago because you were railing about this exact

00:59:18.240 issue, how it was affecting the UK and the public's, well, the media and some of their

00:59:24.680 representatives refusal to get honest about this. And instead their knee jerk adherence to like the

00:59:30.820 proper language so that nobody gets offended. Now we're seeing attempted beheadings in the street.

00:59:35.560 It doesn't feel like people listen to you. No, they didn't listen. Megan, it's good to see you

00:59:39.580 again one day i'll be able to come on this show and chat about a good news story in the uk but

00:59:43.860 but that day is not today uh the violence that you just referred to was uh was atrocious you

00:59:51.600 know no one sensible is condoning it but in many ways it is understandable if not if you can even

01:00:00.960 though you can't can't condone it this is human nature if you plead with the government if you

01:00:06.120 tell them repeatedly that there is huge problems in your community that is being caused by mass

01:00:13.040 migration if you tell them that the multicultural project is failed and they continue to gaslight 0.98

01:00:18.060 you day after day after day but more than gaslighting you telling you it isn't a problem 1.00

01:00:22.560 telling you that you're the problem for using hurty words for sowing division and for not going

01:00:28.440 along with their you know multicultural project if you feel like you're not being listened to

01:00:34.140 then your natural instinct is to resort to extreme measures now that's not the right thing to do 0.60

01:00:40.060 absolutely not if you light someone's home on fire you should go to prison but at the same time the

01:00:44.420 government needs to understand that they are complicit in this they are the ones who have

01:00:49.560 driven people to these extremes but instead once again they're just going on about hurty words

01:00:54.840 social division the lessons are still not being learned megan this is i think a tipping point

01:01:01.780 Greg, where it's just, I think the UK has had it. I think the citizens of the UK have had it.

01:01:09.700 The citizens of America have had it. And they're kind of, the UK is a little bit woker than we are

01:01:15.480 and I think are drafting behind us when it comes to our reforms and the same on immigration. And

01:01:20.880 over here, it did take a couple of key things, unfortunately, like the murder of Lake and Riley

01:01:26.420 is one of the things that comes to mind before people who were not of the right and not already

01:01:33.060 complaining about this problem realized it's gone too far. We need to do something about it.

01:01:38.120 Do you think the UK is now at the at that point? Yes, definitely. I mean, the country is really

01:01:43.400 demoralized right now. And it's it's the incidents like this. It's the it's the two tiered policing

01:01:49.400 and two tiered justice. And not all of these things we've seen in the in the US. I mean,

01:01:54.780 And I'm thinking about Sheridan Gorman, who was killed in Chicago by an illegal migrant just a few months ago.

01:02:01.000 And, you know, that's what really hits home. And I think it's hitting home in the U.K., but it's not new either.

01:02:06.100 It's been you know, this has been a real issue. And it just you know, I think the comments from Kathy Newman, as well as from the government,

01:02:12.320 it just shows the absolute disconnect. It will point it out, the disconnect between the government and the people and the top two issues,

01:02:20.820 not just in the United Kingdom, but in Ireland, where I spend a lot of time,

01:02:24.840 the top two issues are cost of living and mass migration. And what are the top two issues they

01:02:30.140 hear from the government? Policing misinformation, which is code for censorship, and net zero. So

01:02:36.680 it's really sad. And, you know, you understand the frustration of the people now.

01:02:42.300 It's not exactly the same issue, Will, but on the heels of what happened with Henry Novak, 0.97

01:02:47.160 this white young man who was murdered in the street by a Sikh man who was given all the 0.84

01:02:56.340 credibility because of his skin color. He happened to be brown, alleging that he'd been 0.50

01:03:00.520 attacked by Henry, which was a lie on racial grounds. Another lie. If anybody was racist

01:03:06.560 in the exchange, it was the Sikh man, Vikram Digwa and his family. So it's already a powder

01:03:12.900 keg over there because i i do think that there's a healthy faction of uk residents who are sick 0.94

01:03:19.460 sick and tired of watching white people get killed in the streets by in both of these cases one's a

01:03:27.300 brown man one's one's a black man and having immediately credibility go to the person who's 0.99

01:03:33.680 the perpetrator and in this case this guy was allowed into the uk obviously he's mentally 0.92

01:03:39.540 disturbed without any screening whatsoever and sicked upon the people of ultimately Northern 0.61

01:03:46.020 Ireland. Like there's got to be true outrage as a result of these pair of incidents.

01:03:52.360 Yeah, you're right in saying they are not the same incident, but their roots are grounded

01:03:58.360 in the same toxic left wing ideology, Megan. And that is that in both instances, there is this

01:04:06.900 sympathy for what are perceived to be you know ethnic minorities in an oppressed class and as a

01:04:12.740 result of that special privileges need to be afforded to them in one case a two-tiered policing

01:04:18.120 system in the other case the ability to get leave to remain which basically means an extended period 0.98

01:04:25.400 in the united kingdom despite the fact that someone has come from a culture completely alien

01:04:31.320 to the united kingdom and despite the fact that this person is as we can see a monster an 0.55

01:04:36.060 unimaginable monster. So there is a line that runs through it. But the other line that runs through

01:04:40.660 both of these cases, Megan, is that for both cases, there is footage. Now, the government in

01:04:47.640 the UK for decades has just about been able to control the narrative. They've been able to

01:04:53.440 suppress the rape gang scandal, which we've talked about. They've been able to minimise the threat of

01:04:58.760 illegal migrants. But in the last two weeks, the UK has woken up to the most horrific footage you'll

01:05:05.500 ever see. And footage shatters narratives. You can't unsee what you've already seen with your

01:05:10.500 own eyes. So I think people in the last two weeks have woken up to basically the way that their

01:05:15.940 government has been gaslighting them and betraying them. And if there's one good thing to come out of

01:05:20.980 these two appalling incidents, it is that people are waking up because of that visceral feeling

01:05:26.160 in the pit of your stomach that you can only get through seeing these sorts of

01:05:30.000 awful, awful footage that, that you've, that has now been going around social media and around the

01:05:35.320 world. These, these guys last night out in masks going after the immigrant communities, Greg,

01:05:43.720 were at the end of their rope that like, here's a picture showing the, uh, for the listening

01:05:48.600 audience, a group of men in Northern Ireland who appear to be masked, um, walking down the street.

01:05:53.860 And it's, you know, it's one of those things like, sorry, but to quote Colonel Jessup, 0.99

01:05:58.800 you fucked with the wrong Marine like this. You're now you're in Northern Ireland and you're 0.98

01:06:04.120 beheading their fellow countrymen. What did you think was going to happen? I don't I'm not blaming

01:06:09.100 all the immigrants there, but their government's not helping them. They're like Keir Starmer's

01:06:13.600 doing nothing. And in fact, this guy was sicked upon them without a thought for their well-being

01:06:19.420 over the well-being of their children. I don't I don't blame them one bit for feeling like they

01:06:23.980 had to take a law into their own hands. Yeah, they just haven't been listened to. And so they've

01:06:28.280 tried. I remember the United Kingdom is home to the great phrase, keep calm and carry on from

01:06:33.600 World War II. And they have kept calm and they've tried to do this in a legitimately peaceful way

01:06:40.660 for years now. And the government just won't listen to them. And the other challenge is

01:06:45.060 this woke ideology, this, you know, the DEI has really been institutionalized, much like it was

01:06:51.380 here with the Biden administration, you know, the whole of government on DEI. Well, they have this

01:06:56.240 program called the Police Race Action Plan, the PRAP, that was a direct result of the George Floyd

01:07:03.680 and the mostly peaceful protests back in the summer of 20. And so, you know, they've made

01:07:09.740 two-tiered policing part of the training. And so these police, even if you have a rogue

01:07:15.740 cop here and there, they actually are trained this way. And that's what's really unsettling

01:07:21.140 about it. And then again, you have the media coming out, especially state-owned media and

01:07:25.520 RTE in Ireland and BBC. And then when I was on with Will over the weekend, you know, I saw a

01:07:32.600 headline from the CBC, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. And of course, the headline was

01:07:37.440 far right hijacks Henry Novak. You know, it's just typical of trying to distract. It gives the

01:07:44.080 politicians, these riots give the politicians an excuse to ignore the actual issue. And that's

01:07:50.840 really a shame. Can I can I add to this, Megan? Oh, yeah. The the the Guardian today, the headline

01:07:55.800 politicians try to calm tensions inflamed by social media after stabbing in Belfast. Do you

01:08:02.100 think it might have been the stabbing in Belfast as opposed to the social media? The BBC Tuesday

01:08:07.500 night disorder breaks out in Belfast after man charged over knife attack, just man charged over

01:08:14.260 knife attack. Nothing about his immigration status, nothing about an attempted beheading,

01:08:18.840 the blinding of a man. And then the New York Times, they did do a story on it, but no coverage

01:08:24.800 on the main page Tuesday night. Same with the Washington Post. If this had been a white man

01:08:31.400 potentially beheading a black man, it would be everywhere. It would be treated as George Floyd 0.98

01:08:37.420 2.0. Well, yeah, of course. And that was the same with Henry Novak. And it's so blindingly obvious

01:08:43.040 now but to go back to the response to from those irish protesters and again it is important to

01:08:49.300 caveat don't burn down buildings don't attack police officers if you do you should go to jail

01:08:54.720 at the same time the politicians need to take accountability for that response if i'm sure

01:09:04.500 we've probably all been in our fair share of domestic arguments over the years if when you

01:09:08.900 are arguing with someone and you resort to stop it you are being hysterical what happens you get

01:09:15.600 a hysterical response you make people more angry this is the mega the the meta uh equivalent of

01:09:23.840 that the government is effectively saying to these people stop it you're being hysterical stop being

01:09:28.200 angry they're attempting to regulate the emotions of the people and instead what they need to do is

01:09:33.820 They need to say, we feel your anger as well.

01:09:36.920 We empathize with you.

01:09:38.460 The only person who has tried to do that is Nigel Farage, who is the leader of the Reform Party.

01:09:43.300 That's it.

01:09:44.420 Nigel Farage, of course, he gets it, which is why he's become so popular.

01:09:47.600 I want to play a little bit from him.

01:09:49.720 Sat for.

01:09:50.960 The government always appeal for calm.

01:09:53.300 Let's be calm.

01:09:54.600 Don't cause a fuss.

01:09:56.100 Don't frighten the horses.

01:09:57.180 Unless, of course, it's George Floyd somewhere in the Midwest of America.

01:10:01.240 And then we're then it's fine to be angry. 1.00

01:10:03.820 I have made it really clear for years, anybody that comes to Britain illegally should not be 1.00

01:10:08.900 allowed to stay. And when it comes to those who legally come to Britain, if they're coming to work 1.00

01:10:13.880 and contribute and integrate, that's fine. But if they're not, frankly, they shouldn't be here. 1.00

01:10:21.100 Now, to us in America, we've been listening to much sharper rhetoric than that for years now,

01:10:27.880 thanks to Trump. But that's some straight talk for the citizens of the UK that they don't hear

01:10:34.080 from their politicians every day. As you point out, well, Nigel Farage stands out. And I wonder,

01:10:40.260 Greg, whether you think that's going to have any I don't know, like are the other politicians or

01:10:44.780 the Keir Starmer's of the world who are actually in power going to have to listen? I doubt it. I

01:10:50.440 mean, Keir Starmer is completely disconnected. He'll just come out with some woke statement.

01:10:54.460 I mean, it's an amazing skill he has. He can talk for 10 minutes and not say anything. It's amazing.

01:11:01.340 And then even locally, you know, the Lord Mayor of Belfast, her name is Rosemary Donnelly.

01:11:07.600 You know, she did a two weeks ago when she first took office, she did this rant about diversity.

01:11:13.500 You know, she sounded like Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London.

01:11:15.840 And then, of course, the Northern Irish Assembly leader, her name is Michelle O'Neill.

01:11:20.800 So in 2022, she she went on on the BBC and argued that the IRA had every right to use violence and and that, you know, because they weren't being listened to and they had to resort to violence.

01:11:32.400 Well, now she's, of course, saying that, you know, all violence sped.

01:11:35.540 And again, I agree with with both of you that, you know, no, you should not be burning houses down.

01:11:40.000 You should not be attacking policemen. Of course not.

01:11:42.980 But I think we all agree that the people just weren't listened to and the government has just ignored arguably the number one issue in both countries.

01:11:53.840 Can I add to that, Megan, as well?

01:11:55.800 Not only do I think that you won't get that type of response from the Labor Party, the equivalent of the Democrats in the UK, they will double down.

01:12:04.080 Because if they were to admit that a mass migration has led to the mutilation, in this case, of men on the street, led to the sexual assault of women, led to the abuse of children, if they were to concede that multiculturalism has effectively destroyed the social fabric of the United Kingdom, they would effectively be denouncing their entire worldview, their entire reason for being.

01:12:30.200 It has been their religion for 20 to 30 years now.

01:12:33.920 And, you know, as well as I do, you don't renounce your religion overnight.

01:12:38.200 It's fundamental to who you are.

01:12:39.840 So for these people, they are going to double down and double down and double down, regardless

01:12:44.060 of how many people die, regardless of how many madmen are on the streets with weapons,

01:12:49.560 you know, causing havoc, because if they don't, then, you know, effectively their entire reason

01:12:54.820 for betting is disintegrates. 0.63

01:12:56.940 OK, so Michelle O'Neill is the she's an Irish politician.

01:13:01.400 She's been first minister of Northern Ireland since February of 2024.

01:13:06.300 Here she was on GB News.

01:13:09.200 I think this is yesterday.

01:13:10.760 Sot 10.

01:13:11.800 Quite the monologue there, Doug, and fake news.

01:13:15.040 And on the day that's in it, totally inappropriate.

01:13:17.560 I don't know any country that has open borders.

01:13:19.580 I believe in an immigration system that is fair and managed and enforceable and compassionate

01:13:23.360 and human rights compliant.

01:13:24.640 But that is not the debate for today.

01:13:26.380 The debate today is about our society, about our inclusive society, our welcoming society.

01:13:32.140 Our conversation today is about our thoughts are very much with that gentleman who finds himself a victim of that violent and horrific attack last night.

01:13:41.060 Our thoughts today are about creating calm in our society.

01:13:44.660 So I think the message from here, from this platform, is very consistent.

01:13:48.020 And I have no truck with your fake news.

01:13:51.480 Unbelievable.

01:13:51.840 OK, so there she was, right, suggesting that the reporter who clearly asked her about open borders was off, was misinformed.

01:14:00.480 And then she says she she knows to say, OK, today is not the day to talk about immigration policy, like as if she's focused on the crime.

01:14:06.560 She's not. The reason we're talking about immigration policy is because this guy's there as an asylum seeker and then actually has a nerve to say, I believe in an immigration system that's compassionate and human rights compliant and in an inclusive society.

01:14:20.000 I mean, a man's head was almost cut off. The mass rapes didn't do it. Greg, what's it going to take 0.91

01:14:27.560 for politicians like that to understand she's completely out of touch with those guys in the

01:14:34.180 masks who have felt the need to march on Northern Ireland last night? Totally. And I think it was

01:14:39.820 the case here only a few years ago in the US when we had 15 million people coming across the border.

01:14:45.540 And so in the UK, this is, again, not a new issue. There's been so many incidents. And you can't argue anymore, like many of the politicians will, that there are one-off situations or exceptions. This is pretty consistent in the last few years in the UK and in Ireland.

01:15:03.200 And that's why the people are protesting and act behaving violently, because they're just so frustrated. But you're not going to hear that from the leadership from the progressive left, that's for sure. You'll hear it from people like Nigel, of course, and then the media will call him far right and divisive. But I don't see anybody in Ireland or in the UK currently that will finally admit that this is a problem.

01:15:31.840 Well, Megan, can I add?

01:15:33.520 You got for Nigel Farage who's saying all this.

01:15:35.920 Yeah, go ahead, Will.

01:15:37.060 These sorts of politicians are starting to use a series of repeated tactics

01:15:41.580 to try and deflect from these uncomfortable conversations.

01:15:45.240 And it's really obvious after Henry Novak and now the atrocity in Belfast,

01:15:50.120 the first is to hide behind the so-called wishes of the family.

01:15:54.660 So we've just received, I've just seen on Twitter just before going on,

01:15:58.080 the families.

01:15:59.200 Yeah, I have it too.

01:15:59.700 Yeah, do you want, if you've got it, you can get up if you want.

01:16:03.420 Yeah, the statement of the victim here, Stephen Ogilvie's family, it's long, but the highlights are we're completely devastated by this.

01:16:11.400 It's been a massive shock to our whole family.

01:16:13.500 Right now, our priority is being at his bedside and helping him.

01:16:16.180 We want to say a profound thank you to the local people who bravely stepped in during the attack.

01:16:20.920 We'll never forget what you did.

01:16:22.320 We also want to thank emergency services, the doctors, the nurses.

01:16:25.400 We're aware of the tensions and talk of protests following this incident.

01:16:28.300 we want to make it absolutely clear that overnight unrest is not welcome and peaceful protest is the

01:16:35.520 only way forward. We have many migrants who make a deeply valuable contribution to our country,

01:16:40.100 including in our healthcare system and hospitality sector, and we depend on them to make our country

01:16:44.680 work. We do not want this terrible tragedy to be used to divide people or fuel hostility. We're

01:16:50.180 asking the media and the public to please give us some space. We need privacy to focus on our

01:16:53.860 family right now go ahead well yeah so do you notice a pattern here that sounds eerily similar

01:16:59.220 to the final part of the statement from henry novak's family now number one i'm not for a

01:17:05.460 moment diminishing the pain that these families are going through i'm not diminishing the courage

01:17:09.380 that they have had to show but it is very very obvious that police liaison officers work with

01:17:14.920 families to put particular narratives into these statements which police are which politicians then

01:17:20.200 use as smokescreens because they can go when people say, well, maybe we need to talk about

01:17:25.440 mass migration now. They go, no, no, no. We need to focus on the wishes of the family.

01:17:31.020 As a thought experiment, imagine if that statement said the wishes of the family are for an end to

01:17:37.120 mass migration and to a rejection of multicultural ideology. Do you think politicians would be

01:17:43.140 saying, well, we need to defer to their wishes? Of course they wouldn't. It's a very convenient

01:17:47.380 in smokescreen. This is all just a tactic. And that, again, is something that people now

01:17:51.840 are starting to pick up on because people aren't stupid. 0.87

01:17:55.340 Then I don't know anything about this Ogilvy. I'm sure we're going to be learning a lot more 0.90

01:17:58.880 about the victim here in the days to come, but it doesn't seem like a man of means. I'm not sure

01:18:05.000 how sophisticated his family is, but it's probably not too huge a task to bully this grieving family

01:18:10.740 that's very, very concerned about his living or dying into saying something that they're now

01:18:16.340 being told by the authorities will save lives, will tamp down fires in the streets and their

01:18:21.720 dear neighbors being evicted. It's like, OK, great. I mean, in theory, sure, immigrants are

01:18:27.840 fine. We did that in America for years. That's how we filled our country. Eventually, we had a lot 0.98

01:18:32.540 of immigrants who came here over the years. But it's to pretend that just this like concept of

01:18:38.500 immigration as like a net good is still operable when we, you know, the UK and America and Europe

01:18:46.760 in general have way more immigrants, illegal immigrants, asylum seekers and so on than we 0.97

01:18:53.560 can handle, than our public services can handle, than our crime services can handle, and real 1.00

01:19:00.660 actual citizens are getting hurt. It should just belie reality. I want to stay with you for one

01:19:06.180 second, Will, because I saw you had somebody on named Kai Wilshaw on your show. And once again,

01:19:12.480 we had nonsense being shoved on us. And you called this person out here. Let's watch it.

01:19:16.400 So three. I think that we've got a problem in Northern Ireland and also in this country with

01:19:20.400 mass unvetted immigration. Yes, I do. Right. We can hold two ideas in your head, though, 1.00

01:19:26.100 can't you? You can both say and understand that trying to call by calling people savages,

01:19:32.020 talking about alien cultures at this time, at this present moment,

01:19:36.380 doesn't get to solutions.

01:19:37.740 You can be angry, and people are clearly angry about this.

01:19:41.000 There are also far-right influences, many not from this country,

01:19:44.940 who are trying to use this tragedy as a way to foment violence

01:19:49.220 that they have no part in.

01:19:50.580 I can see you getting quite annoyed by that.

01:19:52.280 I'm so sick of this equivocating from the left.

01:19:55.680 This isn't a day to talk about, well, the influence of the far-right,

01:19:58.800 and then we can talk about the guy being decapitated after that.

01:20:01.400 why not there is a direct because if we don't talk about it no i'm not i'm going to finish

01:20:07.180 i'm going to i'm going to no i'm not finished i'm not finished i was just letting that sit

01:20:12.000 in the air for the audience to make their own judgment people are not listening our people

01:20:15.660 are not being listened to and when you have the feeling you're not being listened to you feel

01:20:19.360 like you have no other recourse apart from violence to your point that's not right but

01:20:23.520 That is human nature.

01:20:26.080 Good for you.

01:20:27.700 Yeah.

01:20:28.280 Now, as a caveat, Kai is a friend of mine.

01:20:33.280 He is a very good person.

01:20:34.380 But I think those comments were reflective of this sort of attitude amongst parts of the leftist commentariat that basically puts hurty words on the same level as actual violence.

01:20:47.400 uh we saw the and megan the first time we spoke was in the wake of the awful death of charlie

01:20:56.240 kirk and you saw the same attitudes coming out where people said because charlie had particular

01:21:02.240 opinions well therefore in many ways that justified violence against him that was the

01:21:07.540 attitude of a scary amount of people on the left and you're seeing the same thing here it's well

01:21:12.320 getting your you know an illegal well not a legal migrant technically sadly but a third world 1.00

01:21:19.800 barbarian migrant coming in and almost chopping someone's head off is bad but at the same time 0.93

01:21:26.100 far-right opinions are also bad so we need to put them on the same level and if you do that 1.00

01:21:32.260 you're basically then justifying violence against those hurty words that is why that attitude and

01:21:39.120 that equivocating is so incredibly dangerous. Yes. And it's completely off point today. It

01:21:46.060 really is. It's like, why don't you spend some time? You can condemn the violence. You can say

01:21:50.540 they shouldn't be burning things. You must start the discussion with, why are they burning things?

01:21:57.460 Let's not go right to it's bad to burn. Why are they burning things in Northern Ireland?

01:22:04.220 Could it have anything to do with the attempted beheading?

01:22:08.500 Like, this is this is so much crazier.

01:22:10.720 Like, George Floyd was a fentanyl addict who had enough fentanyl in his body to kill a horse,

01:22:17.880 who resisted arrest, who had hurt a lot of people and found himself on the wrong side of the cops on a particular day.

01:22:25.720 They treated that like it was an attempted beheading by a police officer of George Floyd.

01:22:31.020 And it wasn't.

01:22:31.800 In fact, they they railroaded Derek Chauvin into his prison cell by pressuring the medical examiner and attorneys in the D.A.'s office.

01:22:41.720 All of it has come out since then. But, you know, does that encourage anybody in the wake of that tragedy to actually take an honest look at like how how people have gotten to the place where they're this angry?

01:22:55.580 No, they won't. And to your point, Will, and I'll run this by you, Greg. We're now seeing like seconds after the family releases that statement. Top of the BBC. Family of Belfast night victims say unrest is not welcome as extra police brought onto streets. Top of Sky News. Belfast victims families say riots not welcome. The Guardian. Families of Belfast victim appeals for calm and stresses deeply valuable contribution of many migrants. I mean, as if on cue.

01:23:25.580 Yeah, it's it's like a woke mind trick. And now they're going to deflect everybody from the real issue, but then also do do their best to convince the people that that the family actually feels this way.

01:23:40.540 I want to point it out. It was clearly written by some staffer, you know, at the police department.

01:23:45.620 So, you know, look, it's they'll try. But I think, you know, back to the live videos, don't lie.

01:23:51.760 And I think they're going to to try to bury this thing. But I don't think it will work.

01:23:56.720 And the other thing we talked about George Floyd, you know, that whole that whole narrative after George during and after George Floyd about, you know, unarmed black men,

01:24:08.240 And the epidemic of unarmed black men being killed by racist police officers was a complete fabrication.

01:24:14.640 You know, you've probably talked to to Heather McDonald from the Manhattan Institute.

01:24:19.360 I mean, many times. Yeah, the numbers just don't show that.

01:24:22.620 And and so that was a myth. And the media just ran with it, including the current leadership of the United Kingdom right now.

01:24:30.220 Can I make one more point? I mean, they lied so many times about these white cops who are on the hunt for black men.

01:24:36.700 Total lie. In the year that George Floyd died, the Washington Post kept a running tally of those who are unarmed who were actually shot and killed by police. It was 12. It was 12. And in those 12, they counted men who were driving at cops in a vehicle.

01:24:53.420 And sometimes those vehicles had guns in the glove box, but notwithstanding the fact that they were driving, you know, whatever ton car up trying to run over a cop, they were considered unarmed.

01:25:03.440 That that was the peak of the year in which they said the cops had lost, you know, all control and were hunting black men.

01:25:12.080 Twelve in a country of 330 million where we have 10 million stops and arrests a year.

01:25:19.540 Twelve. You've got to be kidding me.

01:25:21.220 So this is all a false narrative. And now what we're seeing is repeatedly black on white or brown on white violence or murders and a police force that's paralyzed because of the lies that were told during George Floyd and thereafter and that have never stopped being told well.

01:25:38.540 Yeah, that's right. And they are paralyzed for a couple of reasons. Number one, that old go to that they are afraid of being called racist, but it's not just the shame element there. They are worried that if they go to a crime scene like Henry Novak's, the Henry Novak crime scene, and they are perceived to be being racist, then that's their job. That's potential inquiries. That is public humiliation.

01:26:05.240 this is the first impulse that goes through so many police officers mind right now and what has

01:26:11.140 been written into so many police guidance manuals in the respective police forces across the united

01:26:17.380 kingdom is that racism is determined subjectively by the person who effectively is the accuser of

01:26:25.140 the racism so there's no objective test this was the big thing that came out of what was called

01:26:30.680 the mcverson report in the late 90s which was delivered by the blair government who was

01:26:35.180 responsible for so many of the problems that we see now in this country but basically the big

01:26:39.440 thing there is it goes from being an objective legal test of what could be racist conduct

01:26:44.780 to subjective if i feel that someone is being racist towards me then therefore racism has

01:26:50.860 occurred and so therefore you have police officers walking on eggshells to make sure that uh to make

01:26:56.520 sure that they can't be perceived, even subjectively, to be in that position. And to your point, that

01:27:01.640 then paralyzes them. That's an insane, insane legal standard. This just in, the UK Telegraph

01:27:09.420 is reporting the following. The Belfast knife attack victim is in a coma after being repeatedly

01:27:16.180 stabbed in an unprovoked assault. The victim, who is originally from Rathcool, Newton Abbey,

01:27:22.280 is disabled and has schizophrenia. So this guy is disabled, has schizophrenia, according to one

01:27:29.300 neighbor, was already hearing impaired, now has lost one eye, reportedly may not be able to see

01:27:34.680 as a result of this attack out of the other eye. And if the picture I saw online, which we are not

01:27:40.620 showing, it's not confirmed to be him, but if it is him, a picture of him in his hospital bed,

01:27:45.900 I mean, his face is completely hacked up.

01:27:50.100 He's almost unrecognizable, I'm sure, to his loved ones because there are so many slashes all over it.

01:27:56.360 Also via the Telegraph, Ofcom, Greg, which is the, it's a very, it's a very big brother, it's like scary organization.

01:28:08.400 Every time you hear Ofcom, it's like, it's just a very creepy situation where they're trying to crack down on free speech.

01:28:14.840 which it's what happens on the airwaves in particular, but it includes social media.

01:28:20.800 They've written to social media platforms over online posts that they believe could have, quote, incited the riots on Tuesday.

01:28:29.480 This is crazy. You know what incited the riots?

01:28:32.600 This guy from the Sudan had tried to behead a guy from Northern Ireland.

01:28:36.800 The watchdog said it was contacting specific providers, although it would not confirm which ones, quote,

01:28:43.280 where we believe there are specific risks around the presence of illegal content relating to the

01:28:49.740 civil unrest. Talk about not seeing the forest through the trees. Yes, it's really Orwellian

01:28:56.000 completely. And Ofcom, I mean, we know a lot about Ofcom at GB News, that's for sure.

01:29:01.480 It's really outrageous what they're doing. And they've been at this for years. I mean,

01:29:06.340 you know, the same with the Biden administration during the COVID crisis, right? You know,

01:29:12.400 if you said anything about the Great Barrington Declaration, you were taken down on Twitter at

01:29:18.720 the time. And so it's the same with Ofcom. They are definitely thought police and are a real

01:29:26.500 burden on the conservative media, for sure. They'll let the BBC do whatever they want.

01:29:32.080 You know, they'll doctor videos at the BBC. I don't see Ofcom ever hassling the state-owned

01:29:38.580 media. But it's it's really a shame. And I would like to do something about Ofcom in the UK. That's

01:29:44.460 for sure. Well, the other thing is, if you're if you are on the news on the BBC or in the UK and

01:29:50.840 you say something hateful or racist about whites, you're good. It's no problem. We've seen that. 0.98

01:29:55.540 We've seen commentators. I'm trying to think of the specific one. It was around, I think,

01:30:00.120 one of the royal events. But she said something so blatantly racist. They don't care. That's fine.

01:30:04.980 You can be as anti-white as you want, Will. It's just if you say anything, you know, that might sound a little insurrection-y around an attempted beheading of a white citizen in Northern Ireland, then Ofcom may come knocking on your social media platform. 0.95

01:30:19.040 Yeah, I think I've said this to you before, Megan, but I am so incredibly jealous of your First Amendment, because that certainly is not the case in the UK. And as is the case with all speech censorship since the beginning of time, it is inherently subjective. And that subjectivity comes from, well, what is the establishment belief? And then let's try and ingrain that belief.

01:30:43.520 so greg is right you know that they're and i'm not i'm not playing victim here as a gb news

01:30:49.800 presenter but it is just a fact that the gb news is targeted by people who put in ofcom complaints

01:30:56.280 to a considerably higher degree than the bbc or sky news uh and the other thing which needs to be

01:31:03.220 said is that so many forms of bias and megan you know this better than anyone are not necessarily

01:31:09.060 just what is said on the news or how it is framed is what stories are chosen and what aren't chosen

01:31:14.720 and in that respect organizations like the BBC like Sky News are the most biased organizations

01:31:20.140 of all because they won't touch some of the stories that really matter they were dragged

01:31:23.960 kicking and screaming to talk about two-tier policing they didn't touch rape gangs they

01:31:29.400 didn't touch the illegal migrant crisis now interestingly they've had to get there and I

01:31:34.280 think GB News plays a big role in that, just dragging them to sensible positions. But the

01:31:39.880 reality is the bias so often comes in the media from what is and is not said. And that's the

01:31:45.880 thing which I think sometimes goes missed, is missed. Here is the latest now from the BBC,

01:31:53.080 speaking of them, how the rage machine on social media inflamed violence in Belfast.

01:32:00.220 How embarrassed would you be if you published that as the lead to today's news out of Northern Ireland?

01:32:08.020 I'm embarrassed for them.

01:32:09.900 They go on, reportings by someone, Mariana Spring.

01:32:12.940 It leads with this line.

01:32:14.720 I've been investigating for the BBC's Top Comment podcast how what happened in Belfast is a part of a pattern of violence inflamed by social media algorithms.

01:32:27.620 All these posts are recommended by algorithms, which run on emotions like rage, hate online, and then offline is directed at immigrants, many of whom have nothing to do with the incident.

01:32:39.360 This happened during the riots after the murder of three girls in Southport.

01:32:43.280 It happened after allegations of a gang rape in Epson.

01:32:46.320 This is unbelievable, which turned out not to have happened.

01:32:49.060 And it occurred following the murder of teenager Henry Novak.

01:32:53.780 She doesn't get it.

01:32:56.060 What?

01:32:56.620 But the social media, you see, is what outraged the people after the murder of all these UK residents.

01:33:04.180 It's so outrageous what the social media platforms are doing after all these murders of innocence and rapes of other.

01:33:11.820 It's outrageous.

01:33:13.100 Well, like I don't you can't help the BBC.

01:33:16.680 That's why GB News was born, by the way.

01:33:18.580 It's like you can't you just have to move on without this organization.

01:33:21.520 Yeah. It's such an interesting insight into the lefty mindset in that they really just think people are idiots. They think if you see something, you will then believe something, you will then do something as a consequence of that belief. They think that everyone is lemmings. And it may well be because most lefties are lemmings and they do that. But if you are on the right, you generally are more pragmatic and you generally have better critical thinking skills. 1.00

01:33:44.820 but it is their belief that if you are exposed to something you therefore will adopt that view and

01:33:50.280 therefore it is our obligation to suppress information like this is total you know

01:33:55.000 authoritarianism 101 um and that is why in the wake of these sorts of tragedies like henry novak

01:34:02.600 and like what we saw in belfast i bet you anything social media censorship and censorship laws more

01:34:08.920 generally are never far behind because it is easier for them to suppress speech than it is

01:34:15.000 to actually deal with the root cause problems that we were talking about earlier. You know,

01:34:19.960 right now, right now, I am working with Lawrence Fox, who got fired from GB News. That's another

01:34:26.440 story for nonsense. But I'm working with him because he was going to have a debate at Oxford

01:34:34.140 Union that was proposed by a Palestinian woman who happens to be Muslim, and she wanted to have a

01:34:41.280 debate about Islam's role in the West and whether it's being unfairly demonized, as is her POV,

01:34:47.840 or not, or whether it's not consistent with Western democracies. They wouldn't allow it 1.00

01:34:53.760 to happen. They shut it down. Like, it was too incendiary to discuss. We're trying to bring it

01:34:59.700 here to America because we can still talk about things like that. As far as I know, we're still

01:35:03.720 a lot of talk about that stuff. But this is part of the problem, Greg, is that like you can't you

01:35:09.840 can see them trying to shut down the discussion of immigration, trying to shut down any expression

01:35:14.300 of outrage over the fact that this was an immigrant. The UK more and more has decided

01:35:18.640 that to silence the objections is the way to solve these problems as opposed to addressing

01:35:23.760 these problems in the first place. That's exactly right. And again, it's been it's been

01:35:28.680 happening for years now. And I think, you know, possibly peaked in 2021 only until recently when

01:35:34.880 we've had these, you know, tragic events. So they'll continue to argue that it's social media

01:35:40.860 or that it's the far right. And recall, you know, over the last few years when they'd always kind

01:35:46.120 of create, you know, a boogeyman of far right. And, you know, 90 percent of the open cases in,

01:35:53.360 you know, in the police services or just like in the FBI in the U.S., you know, 90 percent are

01:35:59.180 Islamist terrorism. And yet leaders like like Biden and Keir Starmer are running around saying

01:36:06.480 that, you know, the biggest threat to our democracy is right wing, you know, far right extremists.

01:36:11.000 It's just it's it's silly that they they try to basically convince people of something that just

01:36:18.440 isn't there. It's just not true. So either leave the real news off or fabricate some fake news.

01:36:24.720 It's pretty outrageous. And I think that, you know, good for competition because at least the

01:36:29.860 free market works. And that's why, you know, there's there are alternatives now. And in many

01:36:36.200 respects, it's social media that has provided these alternatives. On the bright side, we are

01:36:42.920 I mean, we do have to spend a minute on this hero, this guy, my to you, mag to hearman.

01:36:49.960 I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, but this is the guy who took that paddle.

01:36:53.700 It's called a hurling stick.

01:36:55.060 This is a sport in Ireland and beat the hell out of the assailant and saved the life of

01:37:01.280 the victim.

01:37:01.860 There's no question that he would be dead if this guy hadn't stepped in.

01:37:06.800 There's a report in the Telegraph that he stepped in, quote, he just landed there.

01:37:12.900 by chance and managed to, quote, protect a lad. A woman who claims to be his either wife or just

01:37:20.360 partner was saying yesterday how proud she was of him. But I mean, this is true heroism. And then

01:37:26.740 as soon as he got in, others came to help too. That is incredibly gutsy because you guys,

01:37:33.680 the assailant had a knife, was clearly deranged. And this guy, Mag, did not. I mean, he had a paddle,

01:37:41.120 but you know and the guy's got a knife and he's a deranged man all the other citizens who are

01:37:46.980 watching this and some of whom were filming it said they were keeping their kids indoors they

01:37:50.900 were staying so they were scared of course that's what i would do i would never go over it i don't

01:37:54.900 think i have it in me um but that's a national hero right there and i think that attitude is

01:38:00.980 coming out more and more now on the streets of northern ireland where like he stood up and these

01:38:05.620 others are ready to stand up right now too well yeah so for an american audience i guess the

01:38:10.440 closest equivalent is a lacrosse stick now i would not it looks like a like a cricket bat almost

01:38:16.820 right like a cricket bat yeah but i don't or like an oar looks like an oar yeah you'd row a canoe

01:38:21.820 megan i think it's a field yeah that's that kind of you know big big the big knob at the end it's

01:38:29.200 it's a weapon i have one i always keep it handy in case someone tries to break into my place when

01:38:34.280 i don't have a gun yeah yeah just and this guy mag was not kidding around with it either he went

01:38:38.900 over there and started wailing on that guy it's very satisfying to watch good good in short but

01:38:44.380 the other thing megan i would say is that heroism i think is even more noble given the stories that

01:38:52.080 we have seen in recent years of the good guy getting punished in these situations now i imagine

01:38:58.120 american audience their brain instantly goes to daniel penny um this was in some respect you know

01:39:03.400 This is a more extreme story, of course, but in that moment, we have seen examples where if you are the good guy, you are going and you're, you know, let's say that, you know, let's say that that stick got him on the temple, killed him.

01:39:18.600 You know, I wouldn't be surprised in this day and age in Western legal system, they get charged with manslaughter.

01:39:25.960 so in order to to basically put that to one side as well as the obvious fear of going up to a

01:39:33.500 lunatic with a knife and to do that is extraordinary and and you're right to actually

01:39:38.320 call that out because in these sorts of grim dark days you need to look for those little bright

01:39:43.300 sparks of humanity and terrorism i know and look i don't condone i don't like riots here and i

01:39:49.960 don't like riots there and i certainly don't like seeing people's homes get burned down

01:39:53.620 But this has to be the point at which the UK authorities do something serious about their borders. Stop. Just stop. Even now, what we see is a report that the Reform Party is pledging to ban visas for Sudanese citizens. Okay, great. But I mean, here in our country, it would be total ban.

01:40:14.380 We're not taking any. That's what Trump would do. We're done with the with the foreign citizens.

01:40:18.960 We have enough. Isn't that where Europe is right now? Not just the UK. 1.00

01:40:23.040 That's where Europe is at this point, Greg. Yeah, it's outrageous.

01:40:26.020 I mean, the UK plus Europe is 25 percent of world's GDP and yet it's 60 percent of global welfare spending. 0.92

01:40:34.060 And a lot of that is going to both legal migrants and illegal migrants.

01:40:39.240 It's really outrageous. And again, that's why you see the frustration where taxpayers are funding illegal migrants.

01:40:46.300 They get hotel rooms, they get free food, they get free everything. So it's that's part of the formula here. 0.88

01:40:53.320 There was a caller who phoned in. Was it Sky News? He called into it. Was it GB?

01:40:58.680 This person called into one of the local stations and it's it's all over online.

01:41:07.700 I want to play some of it for you guys here. Stand by. Listen.

01:41:37.700 target-rich environment, you haven't vetted them, you've done nothing.

01:41:41.660 All you've done is dump them in a place where they can wreak havoc.

01:41:44.680 Where they come from, guess what?

01:41:46.360 There's no law.

01:41:47.920 If they can do literally whatever they like.

01:41:50.560 They come over here, there's lawyers, of course, taxpayer funded,

01:41:54.280 they get a nice cushy home, running water, Sky TV, gym memberships, bus passes.

01:42:00.280 They can literally go where they want and create havoc.

01:42:03.480 And when they do, the people that foisted them upon us, guess what?

01:42:07.280 They say, don't get upset. Don't do anything. Don't go out and cause unrest.

01:42:12.940 Well, I'll tell you what, mate. Stop reaping. Then you might not have to sow it because this country is absolutely on the edge.

01:42:19.760 They cannot take much more of people getting stabbed, raped, blown up. You name it, you force it upon us.

01:42:27.280 Very well said. Man, that guy's channeling the anger of a community right now.

01:42:31.580 Will, Greg, thank you both so much for joining us today. We appreciate it. And we'll see all of you tomorrow.

01:42:37.280 We'll have much, much more.

01:42:40.400 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - June 10, 2026

Karmelo Anthony Supporters Cry Racism, and UK Leaders Downplay Near-Beheading By Migrant, with Sarah Fields, Eiglarsh, Frei, Kingston, and Swenson ｜ Ep. 1336

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