The Megyn Kelly Show - Kash Patel SUES The Atlantic, D4vd Arrested, and Katy Perry Allegations, with MK True Crime Hosts, Plus Terrible CA Dems ｜ Ep. 1302

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00:00:45.680 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:51.260 hey everyone i'm megan kelly welcome to the megan kelly show it's the kelly's court day

00:01:01.640 our top lawyers are going to be breaking down cash patel's big defamation lawsuit against the

00:01:05.580 atlantic singer david's arrest for murder and more but first there are some big developments

00:01:11.920 in the political world today more polling has just come out for president trump and the republicans

00:01:16.780 and it's more potential trouble, it's important to talk about it now when we're several months

00:01:21.420 in advance in the midterm. Maybe something could be done. We told you earlier this week that

00:01:25.580 President Trump had his worst poll of his second term with the AP showing just 33 percent of

00:01:30.920 Americans approving of his job performance. When you look at the cross tabs in the all-important

00:01:36.060 independent voters, Trump has cratered. I mean, cratered. It's like not even present tense

00:01:42.660 anymore. It's done. Just 23% approve of his overall performance. That ticks up to 30 when

00:01:50.460 it comes to how he's handled immigration. And then from there, it is all downhill.

00:01:54.820 21% of independents support this war on Iran. 21. You've got 79% of independents who are against

00:02:03.440 folks. You cannot win elections like that. Democrat or Republican, you got 80% of the

00:02:09.940 independence against you, you're effed. You need to adjust something ASAP. 19% support him on the

00:02:16.260 economy. 19. And listen to this. How many independents approve of Trump's job performance

00:02:21.740 when it comes to the cost of living? 12. 12. The problem is he was underwater with these folks on

00:02:30.220 the economy and cost of living inflation prior to the Iran war. They were already suffering and

00:02:35.660 they were blaming him. And then we launched a war of choice that was not necessary and their gas 0.79

00:02:40.500 prices went up and energy prices are going up. It's already happening in Europe and elsewhere,

00:02:46.780 and it's coming to a city near you. The delay in pain is just that a delay. It will come our way

00:02:56.300 because the economy is connected. The world economy is connected. And the Strait of Hormuz

00:03:03.900 is closed right now, thanks to the Iranians. And, you know, they're pissed we won't lift our 1.00

00:03:07.500 blockade of the Iranian ports. The strait is closed right now. And what's happening,

00:03:12.940 unfortunately, is that all those, you know, millions and millions of barrels of oil are

00:03:17.540 just stacking up. And you get to the point where there's nothing, there's no place to put them.

00:03:21.880 They stop then producing because there's nothing to do. They can't get them on ships. They can't

00:03:26.700 get them out of there. They run out of storage room. They stop producing. And the lag on that

00:03:30.800 could be truly catastrophic for the global economy. So the clock is ticking. This actually

00:03:38.200 is a very serious worry for the world, including us, even though we don't buy our oil from

00:03:45.620 countries that deliver to us out of the Strait of Hormuz. That's irrelevant. We're all connected.

00:03:51.420 So this pain is likely only to get worse. And this war needs to come to an end right away.

00:03:57.320 at least now President Trump seems to want it. He does seem to want to end the war.

00:04:01.960 Unfortunately, as the old saw goes, it's very easy to start a war and very difficult to end one. 0.95

00:04:08.700 The Iranians get a say, and they're not rolling over. It's not just President Trump. The numbers

00:04:15.020 are bad for the entire Republican Party. Look at this poll from Fox News yesterday, one that has

00:04:19.520 Trump doing slightly better with a 42% approval rating, shows Americans prefer Democrats to

00:04:26.300 Republicans on the economy? For the first time since 2010, first time in 16 years,

00:04:34.500 they're favoring Democrats on the economy. Democrats are the reason we're in this economic

00:04:38.900 mess. The American public is so short-sighted, but it's just their frustration. They feel like

00:04:44.620 they gave Trump a year and a half. He's done nothing other than make things worse. This is

00:04:48.120 how they feel if you read the polls. And they're pissed. They're not feeling pro-GOP right now for

00:04:53.860 a variety of reasons. They don't tend to like the tariffs. I still am open-minded to them,

00:04:58.640 but I don't speak for the independents, even though I am one. They don't like the war.

00:05:03.620 They don't like what's happening in their bank accounts. And they're starting to think the

00:05:08.060 Democrats might be the better option on the economy. 52% say they prefer Democrats compared

00:05:13.520 to 48% who say they like the Republicans when it comes to who should manage the economy.

00:05:18.500 And the highly respected Cook Political Report is out today with new analysis ahead of the midterms.

00:05:26.200 I'm just going to read you their opening sentence.

00:05:28.680 It reads, quote, for Republican candidates running in competitive House districts.

00:05:33.840 OK, Republican candidates running in competitive House districts.

00:05:38.700 The Cook Political Report's Battleground District project, or project, I should say, is a flashing red warning light for the fall.

00:05:49.440 Flashing red warning light.

00:05:51.340 In their exclusive poll of Battleground Districts, that President Trump won by an average of 2% in 2024, Democrats now lead by 6%.

00:06:02.040 So President Trump won them by 2%, Democrats now lead by 6%, so that's arguably about an 8% swing on the generic congressional ballot.

00:06:11.880 The Dems are ahead on nearly every important issue, but the numbers are particularly bleak when it comes to the economy.

00:06:18.000 Again, I mean, this is every poll and it's every political report, it's everything.

00:06:21.580 The economy is the driver more than anything of these approval ratings.

00:06:27.720 and there's precious little time to turn things around,

00:06:31.120 but there's time to make it look like you are trying to turn them around

00:06:33.800 and that at least should be done.

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00:07:27.480 According to the Cook Political Report,

00:07:29.300 Democrats in these competitive districts

00:07:30.980 now hold a nine-point lead on the economy

00:07:34.140 and 57% believe President Trump and Republicans

00:07:37.700 have, quote, failed to deliver the lower costs they promised

00:07:40.880 as opposed to 43% who think Trump inherited

00:07:44.820 runaway inflation, which, I mean, he very much did.

00:07:47.740 But OK, so if you're a Democrat, you've got to be feeling pretty optimistic, at least until, well, I mean, there's there's some data in this report that might give you some pause, like Cook reports that Democrats in Congress are actually more underwater with a net negative rating of minus 23 percent than their Republican counterparts.

00:08:07.780 parts, and one in five Democrats think their own party's out of touch.

00:08:12.020 So what Cook is saying, I'll give you a line from the report, Republicans are hemorrhaging

00:08:19.360 support from independent voters.

00:08:21.280 And he goes through some of those numbers that we went through.

00:08:23.440 And then he points out that, okay, right now they've got, driving all these numbers with

00:08:29.500 independent voters, they're disgust with the economy.

00:08:32.800 They give the president a 70% disapproval rating.

00:08:36.780 And then he points out, Cook does, in 2018, the last successful midterm election for Democrats, independent voters opted for a Democratic candidate by a 12-point margin.

00:08:46.880 OK, so by 12 points, independents went for the Dems, according to exit polls.

00:08:51.420 Today, Democrats are winning independent voters in the generic ballot by 25, more than double.

00:08:57.580 What happened in 2018 when independents went for Democrats by 12 points?

00:09:03.540 Democrats gained 40 seats.

00:09:05.300 It was the largest House seat gain for a minority party since 1974.

00:09:11.980 It is when Nancy Pelosi became Speaker Pelosi.

00:09:15.640 That was when Dems were favored by independents by 12 points.

00:09:19.480 As of today, independents favor the Dems by 25 points.

00:09:23.400 Okay, so there is a massive red flag over what's happening this November for Republicans. 0.99

00:09:31.460 They better get their shit together. 0.99

00:09:34.580 ASAP. 0.99

00:09:35.300 one silver lining around the gloomy cloud for republicans right now is the actual candidates

00:09:46.360 who appear to be running in these races and a lot of them anyway and by the way one of the big

00:09:51.580 victories back in 2018 was amazingly notwithstanding those losses in the house republicans

00:09:56.620 gained two seats in the senate at that time um but they lost the house by a wide margin and they

00:10:03.320 lost the gubernatorial races, the statehouse races across the country, which do matter.

00:10:08.280 They matter for, among other things, looking at the way elections are conducted and what

00:10:13.880 the protocols will be and who will be ultimately in charge if a massive challenge has to be

00:10:19.940 filed like Bush v. Gore, the governors and the secretaries of states in Florida, you

00:10:25.460 know, the places like that really matter.

00:10:27.820 So the one good silver lining for Republicans right now may relate to one of those state

00:10:35.760 houses, in particular, the one in California.

00:10:38.460 OK, because you're thinking, OK, I'm sick of Trump.

00:10:42.240 I'm pissed about the Iran war.

00:10:43.840 I hate the economy. 0.91

00:10:45.060 I'm voting Team Blue.

00:10:46.320 Whoa, whoa.

00:10:48.180 Then you look at what happened in California last night.

00:10:50.280 You pump the brakes hard if you are a normie.

00:10:53.840 California, the home to the two frontrunners for the 2028 Democratic nomination,

00:11:00.220 Governor Gavin Newsom and Vice President Kamala Harris,

00:11:02.780 should have the deepest Democratic field in the country, right?

00:11:06.820 Shouldn't it? 0.52

00:11:07.620 This is where you breed Democrats. 0.94

00:11:09.980 It's easy to come up with lots of Democrats there.

00:11:12.120 The whole state is Democrats, or so we're told.

00:11:13.960 It's not really.

00:11:14.460 It's 40% Republican.

00:11:15.420 They just don't have any representation.

00:11:16.500 Um, so they should have powerhouse, plentiful, smart, savvy, attractive Democrats, you know,

00:11:26.200 they should be running, running cup run over with them, but this is what they have to choose

00:11:31.940 from instead. Take Javier Becerra, a Stanford grad. God, the older you get, the more you realize

00:11:38.720 these, those, those credentials mean absolutely nothing. Former congressman, former attorney

00:11:44.560 General of California. And not for nothing, but he was President Joe Biden's Secretary of Health

00:11:49.320 and Human Services. Remember when everybody freaked out on RFKJ? Like, he's not even a doctor.

00:11:55.780 He has no experience in the medical field. That second part's not exactly true. He spent his

00:12:00.360 entire adult life suing big pharma and other companies that polluted our lakes and our oceans

00:12:06.000 and our waterways. So that's medical related, at least. And you do become a bit of an expert when

00:12:11.320 you file those lawsuits and see them through for 15 years as he did. But this guy was the attorney

00:12:15.760 general from California. Hey, Javier Becerra had zero experience in the medical field and they

00:12:23.380 were fine. These people who objected to RFKJ when he was elevated to run HHS. It's just if your name

00:12:29.480 is Kennedy and you've got some skepticism around big pharma that they give you a hard time for not

00:12:33.560 having that credential. In any event, you look at that resume from Javier, right? Sounds like a

00:12:39.540 serious guy? Until that is, he starts speaking. Watch. I remember when my parents would tell me

00:12:46.260 the stories of when they came with $12 in their pocket. They had to make a life here. They needed

00:12:50.980 to make sure California could work for them. Let's make sure Donald Trump is not starting

00:12:55.200 reckless wars to keep the prices of gasoline down. By up to $2 a gallon, we could reduce the price

00:13:00.180 if that war in Iraq that Donald Trump started would go away. Whoa, Iraq? Well, wait, wait.

00:13:07.600 That war Trump actually did oppose. Iran, Iraq, tomato, tomato. And what about my favorite

00:13:15.200 candidate, Congresswoman Katie Porter, who I'm totally rooting for just so we can get more 0.79

00:13:20.420 content. Some things are about us. First of all, she clearly is on the shot. There's no doubt in

00:13:27.720 my mind she's taking Ozempic or one of the GLP-1s. And I applaud her for it. This is the last thing 1.00

00:13:36.720 I needed on my Katie Porter. She needed to get slightly better looking. And she's working on it, 1.00

00:13:41.100 my friends. Look at the difference. Look at the before and after. Come on. You got to admit she

00:13:46.200 looks better. Californians, if you're going to go Democrat for this role, for the love of God,

00:13:50.740 just give me this one. Just make it Katie Porter. She'd be so fun to cover. Javier Becerra is a 1.00

00:13:57.380 bore. Tom Steyer is a billionaire elitist prick. You don't want them. That guy from San Jose, 0.99

00:14:05.540 He seems fine, but also boring and really doesn't have the credentials for this job.

00:14:11.040 This is your only option.

00:14:12.720 Come on.

00:14:13.580 She went in the shot for you, quite clearly. 0.98

00:14:16.340 She slimmed down. 0.89

00:14:17.480 She got her hand did.

00:14:19.160 And just in case you need to pick me up today, because why not?

00:14:23.800 here's one of her greatest hits from july of 2021 when she was berating her poor staffer who got

00:14:30.680 in her live shot as she was on tv or doing a taping that we're going to lose more than half

00:14:38.060 a million californians dying prematurely to air pollution and other problems and the state could 0.94

00:14:43.940 lose out of my fucking shot i wanted to tell you that that's actually incorrect it's not that it's 0.84

00:14:51.400 electric vehicles it's that if we don't need the commutes under the paris climate report okay it 0.99

00:14:57.220 does okay you also were in my shot before that stay out of my shot okay i'm going to start again

00:15:05.180 with um electric vehicle saving us money perfect okay okay i don't know how many times i had to

00:15:11.460 tell you i'm on team team porter like that gal should not have been in the shot when you were

00:15:17.820 doing a taping with somebody for an interview and you have a staffer who thinks you've said 0.99

00:15:21.900 something wrong, it's tough shit. It's the horse that left the barn. I've been with Abigail Finan 0.99

00:15:29.180 for 17 years. Never once has she popped up behind me to interrupt a hit to say, oh, I think you

00:15:36.280 meant to say X and instead you said Y. She'd probably get a comment from me along those lines.

00:15:42.640 Actually, no, she wouldn't. I'd be like, Abby, what the hell? Anyway, it would never happen. But 0.94

00:15:48.520 Katie, you got to come on this show. I can rehabilitate you on your anger. I can. I can. 0.99

00:15:56.220 And Californians, you got to soften on this lady. If you're not going to go with Steve Hilton or 1.00

00:16:00.400 Chad Bianco, please, please do us all a favor of giving the angry lady a shot. She was asked about 1.00

00:16:07.040 that video last night. Here's how that went. Ms. Porter, you've acknowledged that your

00:16:10.920 interactions with an aide and with a reporter captured on videos which went viral were, in your

00:16:17.840 words, a bad look and that you could have done better. What have you done to address those

00:16:23.340 concerns? And as a person who frequently speaks about being a parent on the campaign trail,

00:16:28.340 what would you tell your own kids if they ever faced a boss like that? You have 60 seconds.

00:16:33.600 I apologized that day to that staffer four years ago and I took responsibility then and I have

00:16:40.340 taken responsibility since, acknowledging that it was not the right way to treat someone. And I

00:16:46.100 would say that if somebody is treating you rudely, you should speak up. And that's what I would want

00:16:51.420 my children to do. And that's what I did when I was being pushed again and again and again

00:16:55.540 to kow, to kowtow, to give in and defend Donald Trump when he was engaged in despicable action.

00:17:03.700 That was a reference to the interview she had with that reporter. Let's play that one too,

00:17:09.600 just so people are reminded of what she was talking about in that second one.

00:17:12.480 It's SOT 10.

00:17:13.840 So fun.

00:17:14.620 Love, Katie.

00:17:15.980 Do you think you need any of those 40% of California voters to win?

00:17:19.720 And you're saying, no, you don't.

00:17:20.900 No, I'm saying I'm going to try to win every vote I can.

00:17:23.980 And what I'm saying to you is that, well, to those voters.

00:17:27.460 Okay, so you...

00:17:28.560 I don't want to keep doing this.

00:17:29.460 I'm going to call it.

00:17:30.460 Thank you.

00:17:33.060 You're not going to do the interview with us?

00:17:35.200 Nope, not like this.

00:17:36.000 I'm not.

00:17:36.260 Not with seven follow-ups to every single question you ask.

00:17:38.640 every other candidate has answered i don't care i i want to have a pleasant positive conversation

00:17:44.900 which you ask me about every issue on this list and if every question you're going to make up a

00:17:49.500 follow-up question then we're never going to get there and we're just going to circle around i am

00:17:54.460 an investigative reporter had to do this before ever you've never had to have a conversation

00:17:59.940 to end an interview okay but every other candidate has done this what part of i'm me i'm running for

00:18:07.340 governor because I'm a leader. I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you. And I don't

00:18:11.520 want this all on camera. I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you either.

00:18:15.540 Too late. Too late. I also would like to have a positive, pleasant experience in doing my

00:18:22.220 interviews, whether I'm on the receiving end of the questions or the one asking them. Go, Katie.

00:18:26.780 I feel you. She was annoying with the seven follow ups. Katie Porter is misunderstood, 1.00

00:18:32.820 my friends. She's misunderstood. She should be given a fair chance out there in California. 1.00

00:18:39.520 It's amazing. It's so fun to watch. I love it all so much. As Piers Morgan may say,

00:18:45.740 woke is dead, but not inside the Democrat party. Okay. The most absurd part of this debate last

00:18:51.820 night, the most absurd by far, was when they got to the topic of whether cops are racist,

00:18:59.520 if they pull over a Spanish-speaking truck driver

00:19:04.880 for possibly violating a road sign,

00:19:09.580 if they ask them if they can understand the road sign, okay?

00:19:14.520 Like, to 99.9% of humans on this earth,

00:19:18.040 the answer is very obvious, no, they're doing their jobs,

00:19:21.120 they're protecting the community to make sure how the,

00:19:24.320 if the guy doesn't understand S-T-O-P,

00:19:27.200 it endangers us all, it endangers our children,

00:19:29.520 yield, take your pick. It's a relevant inquiry, especially this year, when we've seen multiple

00:19:36.520 Americans killed by foreign-born Spanish-speaking drivers who are here, often illegally, who get

00:19:45.840 these commercial driver's licenses, and then are reckless, either intentionally or because they 0.99

00:19:50.860 don't understand. So who's going to enforce all these revisions like TSA or, you know,

00:19:57.100 what's the exact organization? It's like Highway Patrol, I guess, but it's Sean Duffy and CHP

00:20:04.460 basically in California. But they've been pushed by the feds to make sure these people can speak

00:20:10.800 English before they grant they're granted a commercial driver's license. But who actually

00:20:14.140 enforces that? I mean, Sean Duffy doesn't have a little independent force out there pulling people

00:20:19.760 over. It's cops. And they know very well that one of the requirements to get one of these licenses

00:20:26.120 now is that you be able to understand the signs. You don't have to be fluent in English. You don't

00:20:30.380 have to dazzle at an English speaking cocktail party, but you need to understand the basic signs

00:20:36.080 merge, no U-turn. That's how one of these guys killed some American drivers. Stop and so on.

00:20:43.580 So here's Javier Becerra and billionaire Tom Steyer's answers. This billionaire Tom Steyer's

00:20:50.320 so fucking out of touch, this guy. I'm sure he's driven around in some fancy black car, 0.98

00:20:56.540 you know, some town car or some Mercedes by some driver. He doesn't ever have to even think about

00:21:02.880 this stuff. But here's Becerra and billionaire Tom Steyer's answers on, because they showed him

00:21:08.780 a video of a cop asking so politely, this one driver, Spanish speaking, if he understood a sign

00:21:14.980 that the cop was holding in front of him. And they got into whether this was racist. So the

00:21:19.600 question was, should there be English proficiency tests for truck drivers? And is this racial 0.88

00:21:26.140 profiling that this cop did? Watch. Should the CHP be giving English proficiency tests to truck

00:21:32.200 drivers? And if not, would you as governor push back against the Trump administration on this

00:21:37.060 policy? You have 60 seconds. I would definitely push back on the Trump administration on, again,

00:21:42.120 a reckless policy. I would make sure that that officer understands that he cannot discriminate

00:21:46.340 against any driver without having a basis to do so.

00:21:50.260 We have to be very careful that we're not profiling

00:21:52.820 consumers in California, drivers in California.

00:21:55.420 But what I can say is this, racial profiling is illegal.

00:21:59.860 And in fact, picking on people based on the color of their skin

00:22:04.100 in the state of California is illegal.

00:22:08.020 Racial profiling is illegal.

00:22:10.140 By the way, look at Tom Steyer's feet.

00:22:12.160 Look at this.

00:22:14.200 You're so cool, bro.

00:22:15.420 So you have a gubernatorial debate and you just want to telegraph.

00:22:19.620 I'm the cool millionaire, billionaire, excuse me.

00:22:22.540 I don't need to wear shoes.

00:22:24.620 I don't need to wear like a suit to a debate.

00:22:27.480 I'm going to wear my sneakers, my trainers, because that's just how cash I am.

00:22:32.680 OK, it looks disrespectful.

00:22:36.560 Now, contrast Becerra's and Steyer's answers with the two Republicans on that stage last night,

00:22:41.000 our pal Steve Hilton and another great guy, Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco, who I must

00:22:46.980 say did very well in that debate. Watch. So I've discussed this with someone called Marcus Coleman

00:22:53.380 from Bakersfield. His beautiful daughter, Delilah, was put into a coma by someone driving a truck,

00:23:01.780 an illegal immigrant, didn't speak English, and his daughter now disabled for life. 1.00

00:23:08.840 That's what we're dealing with here. 1.00

00:23:10.260 It is completely ridiculous that we have people driving on our roads 0.76

00:23:14.300 who can't understand road signs and can't speak English.

00:23:17.580 So, yes, of course, and I've discussed this with my friend Sean Duffy,

00:23:21.400 the Transportation Secretary,

00:23:23.020 we will not be issuing commercial driver licenses when I'm governor 1.00

00:23:26.440 to people who are illegally here and who don't speak English. 1.00

00:23:30.120 That is obvious common sense.

00:23:32.780 Let's stop with this whole racism thing and racial profiling 0.99

00:23:36.580 and all of this garbage. 0.99

00:23:38.720 We have to get over this. 0.99

00:23:40.380 You either violated the law or you didn't.

00:23:42.440 End of story.

00:23:45.220 He's a sheriff, so he knows what he's talking about.

00:23:47.920 It must just be such a breath of fresh air

00:23:50.720 for Californians to hear. 0.99

00:23:53.120 This is completely ridiculous. 0.99

00:23:54.920 What are we doing debating 0.98

00:23:55.980 whether this is racial profiling? 0.99

00:23:58.120 The man couldn't fucking speak English 1.00

00:24:00.160 and he's driving a semi-tractor trailer. 0.99

00:24:03.840 We have the right to know if he can read the signs,

00:24:05.860 which are in English. Grow up, Ms. Moderator. All right. What about California's spiraling

00:24:12.400 homelessness crisis? I mean, have you been to California in the past couple of years?

00:24:16.700 Good luck going two blocks without having to literally step over a homeless person or a

00:24:21.980 homeless encampment or tents, et cetera. I mean, it's everywhere. It gets worse and worse and

00:24:27.520 worse. California's ranked number one when it comes to homeless people. Number one has the

00:24:33.020 most homeless people in the country, according to U.S. News and World Report. California alone

00:24:38.400 accounts for over 24% of all homelessness in America, at least based on the 2024 estimates.

00:24:45.840 Over 24%. How about that? Gavin Newsom became governor in 2019. And it was just last week that

00:24:52.220 City Journal revealed California now provides sex change procedures to homeless illegals. 1.00

00:24:58.900 illegals. Think of it. You're, you come here unlawfully. You stay here unlawfully. You then

00:25:06.080 can't get a job, can't support yourself. You become homeless and you want California taxpayers

00:25:13.280 to, to pay for your, you know what, to be cut off, to, to have sex change procedures for us to 0.98

00:25:21.660 sterilize you. I mean, it's insane. And Gavin Newsom says, yes, I mean, this is what's going 0.99

00:25:25.980 to come back to haunt him if he actually becomes the nominee. I get the hairline. It's good.

00:25:30.920 He's an attractive man. He's tall. He is freaking backing this. Can you imagine this on a debate

00:25:37.700 stage when this gets exposed to the American public? As City Journal reported, quote,

00:25:43.900 when most Californians think about homeless services, they imagine that their tax dollars

00:25:47.660 are going to support veterans, families, and those who have fallen on hard times.

00:25:51.420 The reality is that some homeless shelters have apparently turned into havens for transgender-identifying illegal aliens who can receive gender-affirming care, which is a misnomer, on taxpayers' dime.

00:26:06.120 Here's, okay, on the homelessness issue, which is a nightmare in California. 0.83

00:26:10.100 Again, they're number one when it comes to worse in the nation.

00:26:12.960 Here's Becerra's grade of Gavin Newsom on that issue.

00:26:16.520 Mr. Becerra, we haven't seen you issue a letter grade on Governor Newsom's overall performance.

00:26:23.300 What grade does he get on homelessness? And what, if anything, would you do differently? You have 60 seconds.

00:26:28.880 Frank, I would say that the governor has made efforts. We've seen him come down to Los Angeles, actually go out and try to clean some of the streets.

00:26:37.660 On effort, I would give him an A.

00:26:39.360 Oh my God. Everyone gets a trophy, an effort. I mean, what is, that might be even worse. At least

00:26:47.640 if he hadn't tried, you could be like, well, he has different priorities. And if we could get him

00:26:52.180 focused on the right priorities, he would know what he's doing. That's not what he said. He's

00:26:56.260 like, he tried super hard. He's just totally incompetent. He's completely ineffectual and 0.96

00:27:02.080 doesn't know how to do things, get things done. I mean, it's, it's almost worse, but I mean, what,

00:27:07.040 you know, as you know, I'm not afraid to swear, but I really don't like the P word.

00:27:11.580 But if I were to use it, I'd be using it about Javier Becerra right there. What a P word. 0.77

00:27:16.260 Just say it. He sucks. He stunk up the joint. California is a mess, especially on this issue. 1.00

00:27:22.780 Own some piece of it. So you've got just a modicum of respectability with the voters

00:27:28.040 listening to you. All right. But we've got to end this back on Team Sanity again with Steve Hilton

00:27:35.320 explaining what's really going on. Watch. Mr. Hilton, you've given the governor an F

00:27:41.540 on his overall performance. When it comes to homelessness, has he done anything right?

00:27:46.160 You have 60 seconds. My goodness. Of course, it's an F. It shames our state,

00:27:51.100 the situation with homelessness. We have about 10 percent of the U.S. population,

00:27:55.600 around 50 percent of the country's homeless population. And as for Javier praising Gavin

00:28:01.540 Newsom for the photo op where he tried to pretend he was cleaning up a homeless encampment.

00:28:06.700 Literally, Gavin Newsom did that three times in a row. Nothing changed and nothing will change

00:28:12.420 if you have one of these Democrats in power. It will be more of the same.

00:28:17.640 Steve, you're doing great. Keep going. Keep going. And Hilton even had a great answer on why

00:28:23.720 Californians should like that he was endorsed by President Trump. The moderator knew exactly

00:28:30.000 where to go to. Why is that a good thing? California, everybody hates him. And watch

00:28:36.660 how he handled it. Mr. Hilton, you said you were deeply honored to recently receive President

00:28:42.300 Trump's endorsement. That's despite the fact that 62 percent of Californians disapprove of the job

00:28:48.820 he is doing. Are those Californians wrong? You have 60 seconds. One of the proudest days of my

00:28:54.440 life was the day I became an American citizen. It happened in a ceremony right here in San

00:29:00.720 Francisco. So it is a deep honour for me to be endorsed by the President of the United

00:29:06.440 States. And here's the thing that's going to help every Californian when I'm Governor,

00:29:12.820 is that we will have a constructive relationship and partnership with the federal government,

00:29:18.800 which would be the case, I would hope, for any party in that situation, so that we can make things better in California, work with the president and his administration.

00:29:31.640 It will benefit every Californian to have a governor who is a partner on these issues with the president and his team.

00:29:41.180 So good. Right. So good.

00:29:43.860 But the president's endorsement will help Steve with the 40%, 39% of Californians who are Republicans, long-suffering Republicans.

00:29:55.820 And with the others, which still make up the majority, you know, the 60-plus percent, he's telegraphing,

00:30:02.980 the reason I was proud of it is because I'm proud to be an American and it's a wonderful thing to have a president endorse you.

00:30:07.920 That was a very clever way of explaining why he's so happy to have the endorsement.

00:30:12.780 it's no wonder he still leads in the RCP average of all polls in this race. The June 2nd primary,

00:30:20.180 you know, is now not far away, but the early voting is like a week away. So this thing's

00:30:26.660 heating up. So just so we're clear, Steve Hilton still leading, thrilled. It would be a miracle

00:30:32.480 and so great for California if they would just elect him. Please, please, my friends in California.

00:30:36.660 And by the way, our show has a ton of viewers in California. We can see where our viewers are.

00:30:40.180 and I know you're out there

00:30:42.540 and I know you're listening

00:30:43.340 and you do have to make sure you vote.

00:30:45.880 It's like not the national election,

00:30:48.440 but this one actually does matter.

00:30:50.560 You have a shot.

00:30:51.560 He's leading.

00:30:52.600 If you can keep him and God love you,

00:30:54.640 if you could keep Chad Bianco

00:30:56.220 also in the top two,

00:30:57.400 then you're guaranteed Republican rule,

00:31:00.320 which would be great for you guys.

00:31:02.040 Great.

00:31:02.600 In any event, pay attention.

00:31:04.040 Please vote.

00:31:05.080 And if we can't have both Republicans

00:31:08.580 in the final runoff, 1.00

00:31:09.660 please consider get out of the fucking shot because she, she may be angry, but she's 1.00

00:31:19.320 entertaining. And if any one of these Democrats is going to ruin California even more, let's be 1.00

00:31:24.340 honest, we might as well go with the entertaining one. All right. Up next, Kelly's court is, is

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00:33:24.980 now it's time for kelly's court with our favorites from the mk true crime channel

00:33:33.500 that's a podcast that you should go subscribe to called mk true crime and we've got some other

00:33:39.540 options coming up your way because everybody loves true crime on the docket today cash patel

00:33:44.140 versus the atlantic the sexual assault allegations against pop star katie perry and whether we should

00:33:49.740 be suspicious of one sailor's quick return to the U.S. while the search continues for his wife in

00:33:55.000 the Bahamas. First in the lineup today, Mark Eiglarsh and Janice Bilboer, hosts of Positively

00:34:01.480 Legal, which is one of our new shows that we are officially launching on MK True Crime. You will

00:34:07.320 see it in your podcast feed. Well, you should Google it. Guys, welcome. Great to be here,

00:34:11.880 Megan. Thank you for having us. Congrats on Positively Legal. I love the name,

00:34:17.340 and it describes you perfectly we're gonna have a lot of fun we're gonna have a lot of fun it's

00:34:22.600 gonna be unique i promise or i ain't doing it yeah you definitely know mark picked that name

00:34:27.000 megan that that wasn't my name but we are gonna have a lot of fun mark is like the only lawyer

00:34:33.600 we know who's like choose happiness the rest of us are like what when misery when misery is okay

00:34:40.600 for the new yorkers yeah go ahead enjoy your life yeah it's true he's exposed all that florida

00:34:46.740 sunshine, which made him happy. All right. So we've been, I mentioned this to the audience

00:34:51.140 the other day when we announced the new shows on MK True Crime, that you guys are Kelly's court,

00:34:56.420 Kendall's court OGs, back when my name was Megan Kendall at Fox. And so every iteration of whatever

00:35:04.280 show I've had, you guys have been coming on. We've been doing crime analysis and legal analysis.

00:35:09.140 And that takes me back to 2018 when I was on NBC. And Mark, you came to me and said,

00:35:15.660 I've got this unbelievable story involving my client who went over to Spain as a student and

00:35:24.460 something terrible happened to her and not just her. But we need to get the word out because

00:35:29.140 this is happening over and over and they can't really get the story out. So I'm going to play

00:35:34.960 the trailer for what has now become a Netflix special involving your client. We did have her

00:35:41.400 Ron, we'll show a little of that. But do you want to just set up like the story and like how it

00:35:47.360 first came? Here's what people don't know. The only reason why I met Gabby Vega, the victim in

00:35:52.840 this case, is because her mother was my kid's teacher at a school here in Fort Lauderdale.

00:36:00.100 So she came to me and I'm like, well, I defend people who do this stuff. I don't really represent

00:36:05.020 victims. But you know what? I'm going to see what I can do for you. And she wanted to get the word

00:36:10.220 out. I said, are you sure? Absolutely. And Megan, we made a list. You were the top of the list at

00:36:15.780 the time. And I figured, what are the odds that Megan's going to have us on? When you said yes,

00:36:21.500 I got goosebumps. I was so excited because I knew things would change for her. At a minimum,

00:36:26.920 the word would get out. This guy would be exposed. But something far greater happened.

00:36:31.740 And that's where the Netflix documentary explains what happened.

00:36:35.800 so gabby comes on i'm gonna show that in a minute but she comes on my show 0.84

00:36:41.960 and she talked about how she was an exchange student or she she went over to spain spain to

00:36:49.500 study and she finds herself in the clutches of this tour guide and this tour guide wanted to be

00:36:58.840 much much more than her guide around spain she talks in this in the following clip this is from

00:37:05.700 not from our show, but from the Netflix show called Predator of Seville, describing herself

00:37:12.440 waking up and finding Manuel. Well, I'll let her tell it here. This is thought 27.

00:37:19.760 I just remember like I woke up at some point 0.97

00:37:22.700 and no one was in the room and I felt like shit. I had never felt that way in my life. I have not 0.98

00:37:32.860 felt that way in my life since.

00:37:37.680 Like it was almost like there was like a disconnect between my mind and my body where it was like

00:37:41.400 my brain was working on such a slow level here. And I just remember like leaning up against the

00:37:45.900 wall and like dragging my feet one in front of the other to like get to the bathroom.

00:37:51.060 I went to go open the bathroom door and when I opened it,

00:37:57.180 Nicole and Ashley and Manuel were all in the shower, the three of them. They were in their

00:38:02.420 shirts and underwear and he was in his underwear i remember i closed the door

00:38:06.840 they all came out like scurried out it almost looks like they were like all embarrassed kind

00:38:12.700 of and so i just went in and i sat on the toilet and i was facing the door and all i remember

00:38:22.540 it's like the thing that's haunted me for years it's like that memory of just like 0.93

00:38:31.520 the door swinging open and seeing his crotch come towards me and then him putting himself in my mouth

00:38:38.720 and then me getting hit in the like head and then i just like blacked out oh my gosh it's so

00:38:46.500 disturbing so she she had gone over there mark as to study abroad like so many of us do in college

00:38:53.180 and she did the thing i've done this as a tourist not as a student but where you're in spain and

00:38:57.680 then you just pop down to morocco and this is her tour guide who's like now suddenly in her room at

00:39:03.800 night wanting to play games with her and other girls and the next thing she knows there's a

00:39:09.260 serious possibility she was given a drug and she was sexually assaulted by this man whose name is

00:39:16.280 manuel um i'll get the last name you probably have it bella vega yeah he's got vela yeah

00:39:21.780 Manuel Vega or something.

00:39:23.180 Manuel Vela.

00:39:24.340 So here's the trailer for the Netflix special, The Predator of Seville, which without Mark

00:39:31.000 Eiglarsch would never have happened.

00:39:33.460 Watch this.

00:39:35.220 When I moved to Spain to study, I was an 18-year-old kid.

00:39:39.820 I studied abroad in Sevilla.

00:39:42.060 Sevilla.

00:39:42.680 Sevilla.

00:39:43.240 I really loved it.

00:39:44.980 It was like an adventure.

00:39:47.420 I was really excited by the whole thing and thinking about all the trips.

00:39:51.560 Discover Excursions was recommended.

00:39:53.900 And they emphasized safety.

00:39:56.140 The main tour guide seemed like a nice guy.

00:39:58.280 He was handsome.

00:39:59.480 He knew everyone.

00:40:01.120 A playful personality.

00:40:03.240 The last night of the trip, he was like, oh, well, I can get champagne and we can all hang out in the room.

00:40:08.060 I started getting really tired.

00:40:11.000 I woke up the next morning.

00:40:12.800 That's when I realized what had happened.

00:40:16.620 The embassy said you shouldn't talk to anyone about this.

00:40:19.560 The second he told me no, I was like, that's exactly what I'm going to do.

00:40:22.560 I started building an investigation.

00:40:24.800 The story just kept getting bigger.

00:40:26.380 I went on the Today Show.

00:40:27.700 I had no idea what I was involved in.

00:40:30.780 You feel like you were in the room with the devil.

00:40:33.220 So, Mark, what were the legal challenges for her in getting this thing to a criminal trial?

00:40:39.640 I was speaking to her today, actually.

00:40:41.740 She told me that they were not very interested in Spain.

00:40:45.760 They were not going to do anything.

00:40:47.760 and contrary to what you said before you played the clip it wasn't me megan it was you

00:40:52.280 had you not given her that format to show the world that she said unlocked the government

00:41:00.180 folks over there because they care way too much about tourism and they didn't like the way that

00:41:05.880 this looked that's what did it you did it megan and also there's a beautiful part where she gives

00:41:11.800 you credit where she was freaking out and i remember those moments and i tried to calm her

00:41:15.360 down. But you going over to her and saying, you're going to be fine. You got this meant the world to

00:41:20.980 her. And she delivered her version of what occurred with courage and dignity and intelligence and

00:41:28.140 passion. And that really opened the floodgates. Well, thank you for saying that. But I'm thrilled

00:41:34.520 that these women found the courage to come forward because it wasn't just Gabby. As it turns out,

00:41:38.860 there were others, Jonna, as we've seen in so many of these cases, when one brave woman finds

00:41:45.680 the courage to speak out, all these other young girls who, you know, he was a tour guide. They

00:41:51.240 weren't expecting to get molested by this man, sexually assaulted by this man. But one after 0.93

00:41:57.640 the other, they started to come out. So you tell me like whether you think the Spanish government

00:42:02.560 did the right thing here or whether they had to be dragged kicking and screaming just based on

00:42:07.100 the fear of tourism losses yeah i think it is the latter because i we have all seen this movie for

00:42:13.360 lack of a better word uh time and time again seasoned predators always have a plan right

00:42:20.080 this guy did not just wake up one day and decide that gabby was going to be his first victim so

00:42:25.640 first of all kudos to her because god only knows how many other women she saved by having the

00:42:32.240 wherewithal to come out come on your previous show and save so many other people from this

00:42:38.560 particular fate and when you watch like i watched the first episode of the documentary and of course

00:42:43.560 we see some signs the way they depicted it like for example he should not no tour guide should

00:42:49.240 ever go to some young girl's hotel room to want to play games in his underwear number one red flag

00:42:57.100 Number two, apparently like they show him pouring some champagne. He came with champagne. She doesn't Gabby doesn't have much of a memory of what happened. It's very, very foggy. So, of course, there's a possibility that he drugged her part of being the predator. So I applaud her very much.

00:43:13.740 I don't know what Spain, how Spain takes sexual predators or sexual offenders of what they intend to do.

00:43:20.120 But then I did hear even after he was convicted, he's out for now, at least while the case is on appeal.

00:43:26.360 So they're not taking it as seriously as we do here in the United States.

00:43:29.860 And that's shameful. Yeah. Let me add something. He did get convicted.

00:43:33.880 I mean, that's that's the other happy ending here is that he they did ultimately bring charges.

00:43:38.680 She testified and he was found guilty. And so that's happened.

00:43:42.960 But as you point out, not yet in prison.

00:43:44.860 So a couple of things.

00:43:45.820 One, Gabby has agreed to come on to our first episode for an in-depth interview, not only

00:43:52.100 about the documentary, what didn't make it into the documentary, but importantly, what

00:43:58.060 happened after the documentary, because I was getting a bunch of emails from new victims

00:44:03.640 that I was forwarding to Gabby.

00:44:05.920 There's now more than 10 victims who have come forward.

00:44:09.240 some people who weren't necessarily victims but people were like wait now i recognize him he's my

00:44:14.980 landlord over in spain he's still having contact with young women so us doing the show and us

00:44:23.300 doing it on our show positively legal which airs on wednesday for our first inaugural show we're

00:44:29.160 going to get into the weeds with her and she's going to tell you amongst other things that it

00:44:33.340 was the prosecutors who said it was okay for him to remain out on bond while he goes through his

00:44:39.660 appeals. The prosecutors agreed to that, Megan. Unbelievable. Well, some of the women came on

00:44:46.800 that same show that we did on NBC because, you know, she started to realize something had happened

00:44:52.400 to her. The word went out a bit on this, not a good tour company. This is not a good guy.

00:44:56.640 So these young women, and this was just, just like as the, the me too movement was, you know,

00:45:02.260 had just come underway. So I think women were starting to realize there was power and safety

00:45:06.580 in numbers. But two other girls came on, Haley McAleese and Carly Van Ostenbridge. And here's 1.00

00:45:13.240 a bit of that from our interview on NBC in April of 2018. Watch this. It's not 36.

00:45:19.660 We went to his room and realized we were the only people there. And he was like,

00:45:24.240 we're just going to wait for everyone else to show up. And very quickly, he started being

00:45:28.520 very sexual and asking really personal questions and um wanted us to dance for him and she did like 0.91

00:45:36.480 this you know like a dumb dance like to cut the sexual tension yeah this isn't like we've all 0.96

00:45:40.780 been there yeah um and then he was like no you need to do like a sexy dance on top of me and 0.93

00:45:48.480 that's when i was like all right no we're leaving and at that point he took us and like pushed us

00:45:53.400 against the counter and tried to like hold us and make us dance the way he wanted us to dance

00:45:57.960 and we obviously didn't want to so we weren't making that easy for him and then he ended up

00:46:03.940 he was like you guys can't leave and I was like no we're leaving and he held me against the wall

00:46:08.520 and started kissing me and then grabbed her hand and made her touch him and eventually I like

00:46:14.960 pushed through and got out of like his out of where he was and I was like no like we're leaving

00:46:20.660 but he wouldn't let go of her and she went and opened the door and she told Manuel the door is

00:46:25.620 open. Everyone can hear what you're doing. And only then did he let me go. And then I ran out

00:46:30.060 after her. Manuel Blanco Vela. But here's the question, Mark. Is there any liability? So this

00:46:36.960 is criminal charges we're talking about. Is there any liability for the tour company or anybody

00:46:42.120 beyond that, the school, anybody who failed to protect these girls? Well, I know that there was

00:46:46.740 an investigation into the schools. For example, my client went to, if you press me, I'll say it,

00:46:52.820 but a very well-known, well-respected Florida state school.

00:46:57.600 And that's how she picked this company. 0.99

00:46:59.940 That's how most of the girls did. 1.00

00:47:01.720 The Discover excursions marketed these specific universities 1.00

00:47:06.620 and targeted them.

00:47:07.980 And the universities seemed to recommend them as vendors.

00:47:11.220 And there's some argument that they knew

00:47:13.700 that funny stuff was going on

00:47:14.860 and continued to recommend them as vendors.

00:47:17.860 And so, unfortunately, it's very difficult

00:47:20.140 to prevail in the civil arena.

00:47:21.620 and I don't think anyone's had to pay a nickel.

00:47:24.100 So what's going to happen to this guy now that he's,

00:47:26.360 why is he out?

00:47:27.020 He's just out pending sentencing?

00:47:28.200 Correct.

00:47:28.860 It's all the way up to the highest court in the land

00:47:31.820 in Spain.

00:47:33.320 In fact, Gabby said, wow, from a Megyn Kelly appearance

00:47:36.460 to now this case being in the highest court in Spain.

00:47:40.000 She was very impressed and also grateful

00:47:41.960 to the other two women who came forward on your show

00:47:45.000 who technically were also my clients. 0.97

00:47:46.900 But when I called them my clients

00:47:47.880 was me just being a mentor and a sounding board

00:47:51.000 to help them get through this whole thing.

00:47:54.100 That's really what I did.

00:47:56.280 But yeah, there's possibly more charges

00:47:58.700 going to be brought against him in Spain.

00:48:01.100 Gabby, you'll learn in our interview

00:48:02.940 is working actively to make sure that that happens.

00:48:07.780 Wow, it's crazy, John,

00:48:10.140 when you think about this guy

00:48:10.880 who had access to a bunch of 20, 21-year-olds,

00:48:13.760 college students, they're young, 19,

00:48:16.960 studying abroad,

00:48:18.080 one of the most exciting experiences

00:48:19.600 in their young lives. 0.64

00:48:21.000 Your tour guide might slip you a mickey and sexually not just harass, but assault you.

00:48:29.360 When when I interviewed Gabby, I remember this moment we pulled it. 0.90

00:48:33.780 She didn't know that she'd been in the bathroom with Vela for a half an hour because she she was she believed she was drugged.

00:48:43.460 This is the moment here.

00:48:44.760 Watch this.

00:48:45.100 out 33 gabrielle spoke with her friends in the morning and asked if they remembered anything

00:48:50.220 from the night before one told her gabrielle had been in the bathroom with vela for half an hour

00:48:55.580 it's difficult um talking about it just because i've talked to a lot of girls now who have

00:49:03.500 dealt with this um at his hands and i could have done something and

00:49:08.860 so now it's like that's an important thing to see because you see her feeling like really great

00:49:19.180 about the the result you know she's feeling more cocky as as that happens to a lot of women when

00:49:24.220 they find their voices but that is all born out of like a deep deep unsettling pain that being

00:49:30.380 sexually assaulted against your will especially while under a drug possibly can do to a young

00:49:35.640 woman oh absolutely and i a lot of these women probably for a period of time if not forever

00:49:41.560 feel i i believe that somehow some way they're the ones who screwed up that somehow they're to

00:49:49.160 blame and we have to let women in their position know that no you're not to blame right the world

00:49:55.080 is supposed to be a nice place you're not supposed to get molested by your tour guide you're not

00:49:59.100 supposed to get molested by anybody especially somebody who tries to eliminate resistance by

00:50:04.940 secretly drugging you. And this guy, you know, you have to think about it. He didn't just meet

00:50:10.780 these women by becoming their tour guide. I'm sure you have to fill out your name, rank and serial

00:50:14.900 number when you apply to be on this tour. He could have targeted them before they ever, ever met him

00:50:20.380 in real life like this. This type of predator plans this out, executed it perfectly. And if

00:50:25.980 Spain doesn't do better and put this guy behind bars so that other people do not also get hurt

00:50:31.100 by anybody who's got the same idea,

00:50:33.740 then shame on them.

00:50:35.800 Yeah, then they're going to get 1.00

00:50:36.800 some more Megyn Kelly show treatment. 0.98

00:50:39.680 The whole situation reminds me of the, 1.00

00:50:43.760 forgive me, but like the perverted Boy Scout leader 0.55

00:50:46.820 who goes and works at the Boy Scouts 0.99

00:50:48.580 because he wants to molest boys.

00:50:50.860 Like they insert themselves into certain circles

00:50:54.160 where they know the victim pool will be plentiful.

00:50:58.520 And it's no accident this guy was offering tours

00:51:00.440 to college co-eds, which was obviously the exact target group he wanted to get. Guys,

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00:52:18.140 katie perry now under investigation by police in australia after claims by 0.57

00:52:26.300 ruby rose who's an actress that the singer sexually assaulted her in an australian nightclub

00:52:32.980 nearly 20 years ago according to tmz perry would not be shielded by any statute of limitations

00:52:39.480 in australia if police do indeed find evidence of a crime a spokesperson for the office of

00:52:45.900 public prosecution in Victoria, telling TMZ, quote, there is no statute of limitations on

00:52:50.620 prosecuting indictable serious crimes in Victoria. The law at the time of the alleged offense was

00:52:56.660 committed, applies to criminal proceedings and sentencing for historical offenses.

00:53:01.020 Here to weigh in is Dave Ehrenberg, Phil Holloway and Ashley Merchant. They're all lawyers and hosts

00:53:06.640 of the MK True Crime show. Go and subscribe at mktruecrime.com. So just to be clear for our

00:53:12.420 listening audience. You got Mark and Jonna, they've got a show. You got my three friends here,

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00:53:22.620 as part of the MK True Crime podcast feed and YouTube channel. So you don't have to subscribe

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00:53:33.880 hit subscribe. And then you can listen to all or any of their programs, whichever one you're in

00:53:39.080 the mood for, whatever time of day it is, we'll determine which one's available. So it's all

00:53:43.640 going to be on the same feed, just in case you didn't understand, because it's the way I said

00:53:48.340 it before, I think was unclear. Okay, guys, welcome. Great to see you all. And congrats on

00:53:51.680 the launch of the new show. Thanks. We're excited. Great to be here. Thank you. Yeah, me too. Okay,

00:53:57.280 let's kick it off with Katy Perry. So this is kind of a wacky story where I didn't know this

00:54:03.680 Ruby Rose. She's stunning. She, I guess, was in Orange is the New Black. And she's claiming 20

00:54:10.620 years ago that she was at this nightclub in Australia with, and she's Australian, with

00:54:15.720 Katy Perry. And that, I mean, it's graphic, but I talked about it with Katy Perry's ex-husband

00:54:20.500 yesterday, that Katy Perry went over to Ruby Rose, whose head was on the lap of a friend.

00:54:27.120 Sounds like she was not feeling while she'd been over-served. And that Katy Perry allegedly pulled 1.00

00:54:31.860 her own underwear aside and rubbed her vag on Ruby Rose's face. It wasn't even just like an 0.94

00:54:38.340 exposure. It was a touching, which in any world would be sexual assault, assuming it's unwanted,

00:54:45.840 right? And Ruby Rose is saying it was 100% unwanted. And then adds another detail,

00:54:52.680 which I have to say, I don't know. She then claims that she then threw up on Katy Perry.

00:54:58.240 So disgusted was she. Now it's starting to sound a little unbelievable to me. I don't know,

00:55:05.560 but she was drunk. So it's possible she threw up because she said she was over-served. 0.85

00:55:11.320 So now she's telling the story. I don't know why now. Katy Perry posted a comment under a Justin

00:55:18.420 Bieber meme or post about his appearance at Coachella. And Katy Perry posted something

00:55:25.340 online. And this Ruby Rose saw it and didn't, she just had a negative reaction to it. And the next 0.83

00:55:32.660 thing you know, she's telling this story and has dredged up this whole thing saying, you basically, 0.98

00:55:37.080 you assaulted me. I'm not going to file a police report, but you know, you did it. And Katie Perry's 0.67

00:55:41.740 team came out and said, no, no, she didn't. She didn't do it. You're a liar. You accuse people

00:55:45.880 all the time and they always deny it. And she was like, girl, it's on. And now she did file

00:55:52.860 a criminal complaint. And Katy Perry is being investigated. And Ruby Rose in the original

00:55:58.440 statement, Ashley, had said she has some sort of proof. I don't know what the proof exactly is.

00:56:05.200 So what do you make of where we are and how we got here? 0.91

00:56:07.960 I feel like they're going to get into a mud wrestling pit and fight it out. That's what 0.84

00:56:11.860 we have here. It's like, you were a hoe. You did this 20 years ago, but you did this. I mean, 1.00

00:56:15.220 it's just crazy to me that this is happening. But so what we've got really is 20 years ago,

00:56:19.800 she was apparently at this nightclub. This is one thing I want to pay attention to.

00:56:23.760 She says, Ruby Rose says she was in her best friend's lap when this happened. So I'm really

00:56:27.800 curious what this best friend says, because if her best friend saw her being sexually assaulted,

00:56:32.620 she's vulnerable, she's on her lap, and she sees this happen, she's going to say something. I mean,

00:56:37.180 that doesn't make any sense why she wouldn't say anything. So I'm really curious what her story is.

00:56:41.260 And also the nightclub, I think it was the manager or the owner, they talked to him,

00:56:44.860 and I know it's been 20 years, but he didn't see anything. I mean, if you see Katy Perry literally

00:56:48.820 take her vagina out in a public place and rub it on a drunk lady's face, someone's going to see 1.00

00:56:54.160 that. Like someone's going to see that, right? And someone- Take it out. Like it's not normal. 1.00

00:56:58.160 Like a set of keys. Right. And just rub it around. Like this is not normal activity. Someone's

00:57:03.280 going to say something. So I don't know. 20 years later, I'm just not thinking that it's going to

00:57:07.740 get very far, but it's definitely hurting Katy Perry. I mean, now we've got other people,

00:57:12.060 you know, talking about, hey, she molested me. She did this stuff to me. But Ruby Rose has a 1.00

00:57:16.880 history of saying that other people have sexually assaulted her and just throwing it out. You know, 0.99

00:57:21.120 hey, I was raped by a ton of men on the set. She said of her last program, you know, when she left 0.98

00:57:26.580 it, she said, I was sick of being raped by all these men on my show, but she didn't make any 0.96

00:57:30.500 allegations. So I don't know. Something's really fishy here, Megan. Here's the manager, the club 0.94

00:57:36.560 manager statement. It was a place called Spice Market. He's spoken out about the wild night

00:57:41.780 saying as follows, quote,

00:57:44.080 they were drunk.

00:57:45.140 They were not paralytic or anything,

00:57:47.580 just like any other person drinking at a nightclub,

00:57:50.440 he told the Herald Sun.

00:57:51.580 He claimed he did not see any alleged sexual assault

00:57:54.040 take place or any vomiting,

00:57:56.160 referring to Rose's allegations that she threw up 0.72

00:57:58.400 when this happened to her.

00:58:01.580 Ruby Rose is now saying that she's finalized

00:58:04.540 all her police reports.

00:58:05.960 She also does seem to say, though,

00:58:08.700 that she's got proof, Phil,

00:58:10.720 that she's got, she's got, I think she suggested she might have photos and maybe even contemporaneous

00:58:19.040 notes and a witness. Uh, hold on. She says after it, I threw up on her. I told the story publicly,

00:58:27.280 but changed it to be a funny little drunk story because I didn't know how else to handle it.

00:58:32.560 Um, so I kept it a secret, but she says, uh, she's more than welcome to sue me if this is not true,

00:58:38.760 but she won't because it happened.

00:58:41.080 I have photos and it was literally in public

00:58:43.800 and witnessed by multiple people.

00:58:47.480 Plus there's so much more that happened 0.96

00:58:49.140 in the years leading up to her silly song 0.82

00:58:51.620 that she won't want me discussing. 0.83

00:58:53.680 The psychological manipulation was strong with that one.

00:58:56.860 Okay, so your thoughts on her alleged proof

00:58:59.020 and how she can make this case. 0.89

00:59:00.500 Well, Megan, maybe she's got a hotline,

00:59:03.220 1-800, if you've seen Katy Perry's Lady Parks

00:59:06.840 call this number.

00:59:08.760 You know, I tell you, this whole thing on its face, it doesn't have the ring of believability to me.

00:59:16.760 I'm sorry, it just doesn't.

00:59:17.880 I understand that sexual assault is a terrible thing, and nobody's denying that, but another thing is terrible.

00:59:24.920 It's also terrible to falsely accuse somebody of it, and this person has a history of it.

00:59:29.520 Look, we've got to start with the fact that she's drunk, admittedly drunk.

00:59:33.700 And when you're drunk, you're unable to perceive things accurately when they occur,

00:59:38.240 and you're unable to oftentimes recall them accurately later when you're called upon to recall them.

00:59:45.500 And she's admitted that she was so drunk and she threw up,

00:59:48.840 which suggests to me maybe that's more about the amount and quantity of the alcohol

00:59:53.280 because even the manager there says that they were under the influence.

00:59:57.380 So maybe that has something to do with the fact that she threw up if she did, in fact, do so.

01:00:01.580 And then you have prior inconsistent statements.

01:00:05.200 Now, the things where she's claimed misconduct against other third parties, you know, it's going to be very hard to prove or disprove those because like this one, it's going to come down to being a swearing match.

01:00:16.120 But setting aside the fact that she's probably made false claims against other people and is a drama queen, you have a situation here where this woman has made false or prior inconsistent statements.

01:00:28.200 And in the law, that is something that cuts directly to a witness's credibility.

01:00:33.600 And you add to that, guys, the fact that a witness, this manager, remembers it and cannot corroborate any other details other than that they were there and they were drinking.

01:00:46.480 You put all that together, and what you've got is a big ball of nothing.

01:00:50.100 You got probably a false claim, certainly one that's not able to be substantiated to the point of making any kind of claim in court, even a civil claim, in my view.

01:01:00.540 I mean, you definitely the girl whose lap was holding Ruby Rose is critical.

01:01:08.240 You know, you're right, Ashley, that that girl is going to remember.

01:01:11.000 You don't forget if Katy Perry, you know, take takes out her badge, as you put it and rubs it on your friend's face right in front of you.

01:01:17.980 I don't even know how you do. 0.79

01:01:19.520 As a woman, like, what do you do? 1.00

01:01:20.840 You're like, got to get straddled. 1.00

01:01:22.780 You got to like, hold on, let me whip my leg off.

01:01:24.360 Right, it's so weird to me.

01:01:26.360 Like, it's just so odd.

01:01:27.280 And then she's throwing up.

01:01:28.420 Like, it's just, the whole thing seems bizarre.

01:01:30.300 And now someone has a camera during all of this.

01:01:32.300 I mean, they're taking photos of it.

01:01:33.840 Like, it makes no sense.

01:01:35.600 Right, right.

01:01:36.320 It seems like those photos would have leaked by now.

01:01:39.520 Think about how much those were.

01:01:41.920 Dave raises an interesting, or Phil raises an interesting point, Dave, on prior inconsistent

01:01:46.360 statements because even Ruby Rose is saying, after I threw up on her, I told the story publicly,

01:01:52.520 but changed it to be a quote, funny little drunk story because I didn't know how else to handle it.

01:01:59.660 Later, she agreed to help me get my U.S. visa. So I kept it a secret, but I did tell y'all she

01:02:06.840 wasn't a good person. I was in my early twenties. I'm now 40. It's taken almost two decades to say

01:02:12.040 this publicly and she's talking about how she's grateful she's found her voice and so on but

01:02:16.700 she appears to be stealing herself for on-camera statements in which she's already told this story

01:02:23.660 dave in a way that yeah it certainly sounds like it's not going to be i was sexually assaulted and

01:02:28.300 i threw up in disgust at her right and megan's good to be back on with you and my co-host phil

01:02:34.920 and Ashley. And this one is a tough one because both sides here have a rap sheet because both of

01:02:42.680 them have made accusations or have been accused of things that will harm their credibility.

01:02:48.220 The accuser here has alleged that others have raped her and it doesn't look like there was

01:02:54.160 any corroboration there. And here, Katy Perry also has been accused of sexual assault in 2019

01:03:00.640 from this actor, Josh Kloss, who starred in her video

01:03:04.460 and said that she bullied him and pulled his pants down 0.98

01:03:07.960 and exposed his genitals to others. 0.98

01:03:09.900 I mean, what's going on in Hollywood, right?

01:03:11.520 I mean, this is like these accusations of her to go up to people. 1.00

01:03:15.180 Also, there's a female TV host in Georgia who reportedly,

01:03:18.920 she accused Katy Perry of harassing her that same year. 0.97

01:03:22.860 And then there's video of Katy Perry grabbing Justin Bieber's butt

01:03:27.140 and looking into the camera and saying, sorry, Selena. 0.87

01:03:29.040 We have that.

01:03:29.680 Right?

01:03:29.960 So you have...

01:03:31.080 Wait, we have that.

01:03:31.760 Yeah, okay.

01:03:32.480 Yeah.

01:03:33.100 Hold on.

01:03:33.540 Let me show that video with Bieber, and then I'll let you finish your point.

01:03:37.740 That's Sot 39.

01:03:48.180 She's hugging Bieber.

01:03:49.640 She reaches down. 1.00

01:03:51.400 She definitely grabs his ass at her and stays there for a long time. 1.00

01:03:56.180 She's a lot older than he is. 1.00

01:03:57.920 Poor Bieber.

01:03:59.000 He's been, like, poor Bieber.

01:04:01.020 He's been through a lot.

01:04:01.700 Keep going, Dave.

01:04:02.380 Wow.

01:04:02.820 He did well for himself, though.

01:04:04.260 I mean, he married well.

01:04:05.920 I know, but he's, like, clearly so damaged now from, obviously, his time with Usher and Diddy.

01:04:11.980 This is my own supposition.

01:04:13.280 I don't have proof, but it seems pretty clear.

01:04:15.780 It's just, like, everybody abused Justin Bieber, like, on camera, on late night shows.

01:04:20.440 And you can see he's, like, walking around laboring under this.

01:04:23.860 That's my belief.

01:04:24.840 But anyway, keep going, Dave. 0.99

01:04:25.920 Well, this all feeds into a narrative that Katy Perry just thinks that she has the privilege to grab people's butts and pull people's pants down and perhaps put her vag in someone's face at a party. 0.98

01:04:38.900 I can't believe I said that. 1.00

01:04:40.280 I went to law school.

01:04:41.220 I went to seven years of schooling to come on and talk about that.

01:04:44.180 That's really unbelievable.

01:04:46.000 I mean, we've talked about some crazy stuff on our show, but this is crazy.

01:04:50.060 I mean, you can see it was coming at you like a freight train, Ehrenberg.

01:04:54.740 Right. We can see it. Really? Is he going to do it? Is he going to say it?

01:04:59.900 So true. I wonder what Justin Trudeau is thinking about all this right now.

01:05:03.500 But the thing is, is that to prove a case, it's whoever case in the United States, it would be a non-star.

01:05:09.180 I mean, this is a he she said, she said. And the witnesses are not favorable for the plaintiff here, for the accuser.

01:05:15.360 But you can maybe do something more in Australia, which has no statute of limitations.

01:05:19.960 And maybe they have looser rules of evidence and a lower burden than we have here.

01:05:24.840 But in this in this country, this case would go nowhere.

01:05:27.640 Well, look at this one, too. Here's Anna Kendrick in 2014, sitting down with Conan O'Brien with her own Katy Perry story.

01:05:35.340 Watch. It was a crazy night. I've never been around so many. Katy Perry finger banged my cleavage. 0.98

01:05:40.180 It was a weird night. She's very mature.

01:05:45.640 She just does that. She just does that. I mean, I was kind of asking for it.

01:05:49.960 If I if nobody does, I would have been a little paint the scene.

01:05:54.240 So you're standing still and Katy Perry walks by and I have met her before. 0.62

01:05:58.560 And yeah, she's like, that's her thing.

01:06:01.240 Yeah. You know, she's aggressive. I like it. 1.00

01:06:03.460 OK. OK, so that is creepy.

01:06:07.600 I mean, like so they don't know each other. 0.59

01:06:09.380 She's saying, Ashley, that she just walked by her and stuck her fingers down her dress, feeling her boobs up.

01:06:16.820 we see her grabbing Justin Bieber's bottom and like lingering for a long time she did write and

01:06:24.480 become famous singing a song I kissed a girl and I liked it oh yeah so there's it's obvious you

01:06:29.980 know she's got some sort of a penchant that way and now you got this gal coming forward saying

01:06:34.820 you know I didn't talk about it for a long time because I was young and I'm gonna be honest she

01:06:41.440 helped me out I needed a visa so I kept my mouth shut but f her I'm older now like I actually

01:06:46.580 I'm not sure she is lying. I'm not sure she is either, but this is really going to be a

01:06:50.480 credibility issue because even though we're not sure she's lying, we're also not sure she's telling

01:06:54.100 the truth. And, you know, I'm interested to see what this other evidence is, maybe some pictures,

01:06:59.080 something like that. But what we really have is we have. Or the friend. Yeah. Well, I mean,

01:07:02.380 the friend would be really key, but why did the friend keep quiet all these years? It's what

01:07:05.360 doesn't make any sense. And all these people. I mean, if you're if you're not famous and your

01:07:09.620 girlfriend is Ruby Rose and she's got this allegation against Katy Perry and Ruby Rose is

01:07:14.280 like don't don't tell anybody she helped me get my visa you would keep your mouth but you know

01:07:17.840 can i ask a question real quick of all of three of you who among us here can tell uh you know

01:07:23.680 the world sort of with any specificity who we might have been hanging out with at a bar or a

01:07:30.380 nightclub 20 years ago who might remember a damn thing that happened i mean i i feel like if i were

01:07:36.380 there with katie perry i'd probably remember yeah i like i'd remember that i went to a bar with kid

01:07:41.500 rock one time i remember that pretty vividly i don't remember all the other bar times

01:07:45.740 who could vouch for you and could be witnesses that's the thing it's like you may remember

01:07:52.500 being there with a celebrity or a star but as far as everything else that those details you know i

01:07:57.820 can't remember sometimes what i had for breakfast the same day because things get so busy go back

01:08:02.160 20 years and yeah i mean who knows but that's why reputation matters perry's vag was not at your

01:08:08.840 breakfast you would remember that i'm thinking i mean i shouldn't presume i don't like phil's

01:08:16.260 led a big life i mardi gras i don't know i can't i'm blushing can't leave this segment behind

01:08:21.540 without um letting you hear russell brand's reaction he was on the show yesterday to this

01:08:27.160 allegation against his ex-wife they were married for two years and listen listen to this 38 i must

01:08:34.180 say i feel a good deal of sympathy with the recent allegations around katie she's been accused of

01:08:40.620 2010 sexually assaulting ruby rose by allegedly like exposing her vag to this gal's face uh which

01:08:47.680 she's denied but there's a criminal inquiry underway in australia as i read about that

01:08:51.100 allegations to me that doesn't i mean this is probably the old school man in me i don't i

01:08:55.980 don't even hear the crime there what happened i don't even i can't even hear where it is like

01:09:01.980 someone have to poke me with a stick there that's the bit there's a crime no no 20 year old girl 0.92

01:09:07.640 wants another woman rubbing her vag on her face uninvited that's the crime there it is russell i 0.96

01:09:12.900 got it i got i got you are you available for the trial the puck is coming yes i will come 0.98

01:09:19.220 well if the jurors feel as russell feels um that could work that could work out very well for katie

01:09:27.220 Perry. Again, she denies all of this. All right, let's keep going. Cash Patel has filed a defamation

01:09:33.480 lawsuit now in response against the Atlantic because he's very angry about this hit piece

01:09:40.580 they dropped on him on Friday. It was authored by Sarah Fitzpatrick, who's formerly of NBC,

01:09:46.540 who's the one who brought us the Julie Swetnick allegations against Brett Kavanaugh, the most 0.99

01:09:53.460 bullshit allegations of the bullshit allegations, the most bullshitty of all. 0.99

01:10:00.180 So not great when it comes to the track record. But now here she writes for The Atlantic, 1.00

01:10:04.820 and it's a deep dive on Cash basically allegedly being a drunk. Like he's drunk here,

01:10:10.120 he's drunk there, he's drunk at the office place, he gets drunk at the clubs. One time he was so

01:10:15.000 drunk and passed out and non-responsive, they talked about breaching his door with the FBI

01:10:19.640 ramming thing. Um, and, and cash and like, they've had to move meetings that were supposed to be in

01:10:26.140 the morning back to the afternoon because he's, he's hung over. And he says, literally all of

01:10:32.960 that is bullshit. It is all made up. These are all lies. You were told by me that these were lies 1.00

01:10:38.920 before you publish this. You gave me two hours to respond to this in-depth piece, right? It's

01:10:45.600 multiple pages, just as you print it out, which wasn't sufficient time because, you know, in his

01:10:51.740 defense, maybe if you really want to deal with the Atlantic, you find a witness who's like,

01:10:56.000 that's not true. You can find somebody to vouch for you. You put them in touch with the Atlantic,

01:10:59.260 even on background to say like this, these are lies. No. And now he's actually filed a lawsuit

01:11:05.020 in federal court in DC saying, screw these guys, Dave, this is defamation and I'm going to fight

01:11:10.920 back. So what do you make of it? Does he have a case? Well, it's a very Trumpian move to do that.

01:11:14.680 Yeah, Trump did that against the Wall Street Journal when they wrote about the birthday card to Jeffrey Epstein.

01:11:21.120 And the problem for Cash Patel is that as a public figure, he got thrown out.

01:11:25.300 That's correct. He got thrown out.

01:11:26.860 And I think that in this case, it's not going to even go that far because I do think that Cash Patel, regardless of what the underlying facts here, probably does not want to go through the discovery process.

01:11:37.900 Because if you sue someone for defamation, you open yourself up to a deposition and discovery about your drinking.

01:11:44.900 And one thing, we saw the chugging of the beers at the U.S. Olympic ceremony when they were backstage, when they were getting the gold medal for the hockey team.

01:11:54.740 And so when he was asked at a press conference, they asked him, is this true?

01:11:57.960 And he said, he sort of evaded the question about whether he drinks too much.

01:12:02.760 And I just wonder if he really wants to undergo this type of scrutiny.

01:12:06.580 And if you continue with this lawsuit, not only do you open yourself up to discovery, but you have to show that the other side acted with what's called actual malice.

01:12:14.960 And that's because Kash Patel is a public figure.

01:12:17.640 It's not just a typical defamation lawsuit.

01:12:19.760 You've got to prove defamation plus, which is that they intended to just destroy you, that they knew what the facts were, and they went ahead anyways because they had actual malice.

01:12:29.560 It's a high standard, and I just don't think this lawsuit is going to have much in the term of legs.

01:12:34.360 yeah so they had they either you have to prove they knew it was false or they recklessly 0.92

01:12:40.940 disregarded the matter of whether it was true or false they didn't give a shit basically it was 0.60

01:12:46.500 like i i want to publish this and i'm going to publish it here's cash patel denying the 0.51

01:12:51.980 allegations on tuesday stop 20 i do want to give you an opportunity to respond directly to the

01:12:59.300 allegations in the Atlantic article that your unexplained absences created a national security

01:13:04.620 risk. And beyond that, can you say definitively that you have not been intoxicated or absent

01:13:10.620 during your tenure as FBI director? I can say unequivocally that I never listen to the fake

01:13:16.840 news mafia. And as when they get louder, it just means I'm doing my job. This FBI director has been

01:13:22.580 on the job twice as many days as every director before me. What that means is I've taken half

01:13:29.200 as many days off as those before me.

01:13:32.080 What that means is I've taken a third less vacation

01:13:35.040 than those before me.

01:13:36.400 I'm like an everyday American who loves his country,

01:13:39.040 loves the sport of hockey,

01:13:40.220 and champions my friends when they raise a gold medal

01:13:42.700 and invite me in to celebrate.

01:13:44.260 I've never been intoxicated on the job,

01:13:46.460 and that is why we filed a $250 million defamation lawsuit.

01:13:50.240 And any one of you that wants to participate,

01:13:52.640 bring it on.

01:13:53.180 I'll see you in court.

01:13:55.340 Okay, Phil, so I like cash.

01:13:58.880 I know Cash, not incredibly well, but somewhat.

01:14:03.120 My own personal take is this is definitely going to be dismissed.

01:14:05.760 I don't see it going anywhere because when you zero in on what she alleges in the piece,

01:14:10.720 even though I don't have any respect for this author, it's things like this.

01:14:15.660 His drinking has become a source of concern among government officials.

01:14:20.580 She cites sources who worry his behavior has become a threat to public safety. 0.99

01:14:25.160 I'm sure there are plenty of people within the FBI who can't stand him who did speak to the Atlantic to say he sucks. 1.00

01:14:32.780 He's drunk. He's a threat to public safety. And that's all she really needs to prove. 1.00

01:14:37.640 So I tell you what, I think that Dave did an excellent job in setting out for a lot of the legal reasons why you're correct, Megan.

01:14:45.780 This was not really going to go anywhere. His lawsuit.

01:14:48.800 And look, for defamation, he's got to prove that it's a false statement of fact.

01:14:53.740 And as the judge who threw this case out pointed out, a lot of this might be rhetorical hyperbole.

01:14:59.900 And, you know, that—

01:15:00.680 Wait, he didn't throw this case out.

01:15:01.880 He flew—he threw—there was a different judge who threw out Trump's lawsuit against the Wall Street Journal.

01:15:06.860 And Cash had a separate defamation lawsuit against a different guy who raised the issue of his drinking, which also just got thrown out on the paper.

01:15:14.500 So the administration is not doing that great on getting defamation breaks in their favor.

01:15:18.500 But the rhetorical hyperbole and statements of opinion, things like that, do not rise to the level of defamation.

01:15:25.140 But what he might have, and this is, you know, I guess we have a longer discussion on this, he might have other claims like false light and things of that nature that might survive.

01:15:34.880 But in general, he's going to have a very tough time.

01:15:38.620 But I'll tell you what we can do.

01:15:40.280 Those of us here, the MK True Crime Show, the three of us here, Ashley, Dave, and I,

01:15:45.980 along with our colleagues from the other two new shows that are dropping next week,

01:15:49.820 we're going to be in Las Vegas at the end of May at CrimeCon.

01:15:53.440 So what we will do is I volunteer that we're going to go to the Poodle Room out in Las Vegas

01:15:58.720 because Director Patel says that it's false where he was claimed to,

01:16:02.940 he said it's also known that he's known to drink excess at the Poodle Room in Las Vegas

01:16:07.220 where he spends parts of his weekend.

01:16:09.520 So we're going to go out there, Megan, and just for you, we're going to personally investigate, and we're going to see if he's there, and we'll report back.

01:16:16.920 And also, I expect drinking to excess, just so you can see what that's like and whether you remember it.

01:16:21.920 You can't judge something unless you're familiar with it.

01:16:25.620 Exactly, exactly.

01:16:26.500 It's method.

01:16:26.880 You guys are method.

01:16:27.640 You know how they're method actors.

01:16:28.720 You're method lawyers in doing your legal analysis.

01:16:32.540 Here's one thing I will say is in his favor.

01:16:36.700 He's not going to enjoy this process at all.

01:16:38.420 He probably is hoping that it gets thrown out on a 12B6 motion, which is a motion to dismiss before you've had to exchange any discovery, any papers with each other.

01:16:47.340 And it probably will get thrown out on a 12B6.

01:16:49.320 But he's probably hoping it will because if it doesn't get thrown out on a motion to dismiss, they're going to be able to say, give us all your receipts for every bottle of wine you've had over the past year and a half since you took this office.

01:17:00.520 Give us every single receipt or credit card statement when you charge drinks at the Poodle Room, this place Ned's in D.C. that they allege he goes to.

01:17:11.100 We're going to depose witnesses who have seen you there.

01:17:14.000 We're going to talk to your girlfriend about the level that you've drunk.

01:17:17.080 We're going to actually start subpoenaing bartenders and figuring out just how drunk you were.

01:17:21.860 Like, it's not going to go well for him because he's a drinker.

01:17:26.480 There's nothing wrong with being a drinker.

01:17:28.160 they're trying to paint something else, but just the whole process will be a humiliation,

01:17:32.440 Ashley. It is. But I do want to say one other thing. One thing that's good for him is that

01:17:36.040 they only give him two hours to respond because generally when it comes to that, like giving

01:17:42.320 somebody time to respond, unless you need to get the story on the air, you know, like they need a

01:17:47.380 hit print on this, you know, like, um, we've got a scoop that they're about to launch an attack

01:17:52.500 on Turkey and it's going to happen tonight. It's sundown, you know, and it's noon. Then you would

01:17:58.200 say you've got two hours to respond. Like I'm not holding my story, you know, because they can't

01:18:03.320 hijack your story by saying, I need 24 hours. No. But like there was no rush to get, he drinks too

01:18:10.180 much. And they had to use a ramming, you know, mechanism one time or thought about doing that.

01:18:15.100 There was no rush. And what that is potentially evidence of is actual malice against him.

01:18:20.280 Right. That's the best fact, Megan. I mean, the fact that they did that, that they only give him

01:18:23.220 two hours, that is probably his best fact. But honestly, I think both of these people,

01:18:27.420 they've gotten what they wanted out. The purpose is already served with both of them.

01:18:31.720 She got her story out. People now are thinking, oh, well, he's a drunk. We already kind of knew

01:18:35.880 that, but there's some extra sources. So that's validity for what people may have already thought

01:18:41.260 because of the other stories. But Cash also served his purpose. He's filed a lawsuit. It's

01:18:45.460 probably going to get dismissed on the 12b-6, probably, but it serves his purpose. He said it

01:18:50.280 in that press interview, you know, if you come after me, I'm going to come after you. And you

01:18:53.800 can't make that statement and then not follow through. So he sort of had to file a lawsuit.

01:18:58.080 And I think it also serves a purpose of warning other people, hey, you know, watch out, be careful,

01:19:03.180 do your job, be a little more careful, especially smaller groups, you know, maybe don't do this

01:19:07.880 because you can't defend against a defamation suit. So I think the lawsuit has probably already

01:19:11.920 served its purpose. He probably knows it's going to be dismissed. I'm not sure that he's really

01:19:15.220 worried about the money that he's seeking. I think he's trying to curb this from happening

01:19:18.960 again. And that's probably the end result of all of this. This is a manipulation of the narrative

01:19:25.520 that he's trying for here. I don't think it was necessary. We all know, Cash, that they're going

01:19:31.800 to do a hit piece after hit piece. No one listens to The Atlantic. I've had so many hit pieces done

01:19:37.280 on me over the past year. Who gives a shit? They've done absolutely nothing to me. Our people, 1.00

01:19:41.940 the reasonable people, and I include you in that, Dave Ehrenberg, even though you're a lefty.

01:19:47.160 Centrist.

01:19:47.620 They don't listen to this. Yeah, centrist.

01:19:50.640 Centrist, sorry. I was just saying, no one cares. Stop. Who cares? Don't waste your time and energy.

01:19:57.520 One other fact in Kash's defense is the original title of this piece was

01:20:03.140 Kash Patel's erratic behavior could cost him his job. But at some point,

01:20:09.260 The Atlantic stealthily edited it to, the FBI director is MIA. They didn't note the change.

01:20:17.140 They didn't apologize for what they clearly believed, I think, was an erroneous headline,

01:20:22.700 right? That he's been erratic and that his job is in danger. Just that, clearly they're no longer

01:20:29.140 standing behind at least parts of that. So that's not good for them, that piece of it. And I will

01:20:34.020 say, the other lawsuit that got dismissed was by a Houston federal judge. He had sued for defamation

01:20:40.620 an MS Now contributor, Frank Figluzzi, over his claim that cash was in nightclubs far more than

01:20:48.940 he has been at the FBI headquarters. And that judge, to your point, Phil, said that statement

01:20:54.840 is, quote, rhetorical hyperbole that cannot constitute defamation. So he's failed to state

01:20:59.980 a claim. So we'll see whether this too is rhetorical hyperbole or just not defamation because

01:21:05.520 she does have sources who say the terrible things about cash and, you know, who've seen

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01:23:42.340 David Burke, better known as the singer David, it's spelled D4, the numeral 4, VD, has pleaded

01:23:55.000 not guilty to a first-degree murder charge in the death of a 14-year-old girl who authorities

01:24:00.860 say was found dismembered in the trunk of his Tesla. Additional charges against David include

01:24:06.720 continuous sexual acts, lewd and lascivious sexual acts, with an individual under 14 years old

01:24:13.520 and mutilating the human remains of a body, according to the DA. David will remain in

01:24:19.100 custody without bail, and in a disturbing new development, he appeared in court for a status

01:24:25.000 hearing today where the prosecutors revealed they searched his phone and allegedly found a, quote,

01:24:30.420 significant amount of child sexual abuse material, according to TMZ. Joining me now to discuss this

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01:25:09.860 Mark, Matt, welcome back.

01:25:11.520 So this is big.

01:25:12.400 They finally arrested this guy.

01:25:13.700 We've been waiting for it

01:25:14.980 since her body was in the trunk of his car.

01:25:18.940 But Matt, up until now,

01:25:20.400 they hadn't been able to link him to the crime,

01:25:23.740 at least not in a way that they felt was sufficient

01:25:25.720 for charges to be brought.

01:25:27.600 Do we know what changed?

01:25:29.080 Well, what they did is they conducted an investigative grand jury, Megan, which is really interesting.

01:25:33.840 Mark and I were talking a little bit about this yesterday.

01:25:36.580 Essentially, there's two functions for a grand jury.

01:25:38.600 One, you can seek an indictment.

01:25:39.880 The other is you can actually use grand jury subpoenas to bring in reluctant witnesses that don't want to speak to the police and essentially force immunity on them and make them talk.

01:25:51.280 And Mark knows the DA involved in this.

01:25:53.900 I don't know her, but apparently she's a heavy hitter, according to Mark.

01:25:58.240 And they've been working this case up for a long time. This is advanced prosecute prosecutorial work. And yeah, and they they apparently have put together this case.

01:26:08.600 The the complaint itself tells quite a story with lying in wait and stabbing and killing a witness.

01:26:15.200 And it makes it appear as if they've got the they got the goods here to show that he killed her because he was engaged in a sexual relationship with her.

01:26:23.940 They knew each other or began seeing each other when she was only 13 years old, which is 288 under the California Penal Code.

01:26:31.240 And it all kind of fits.

01:26:32.740 I know Mark has some different theories on it.

01:26:35.160 Mark probably has a better inside track on the case than I do.

01:26:38.760 But this is very, very interesting.

01:26:40.880 And he's in kind of an understatement.

01:26:43.780 He's in a lot of trouble.

01:26:45.720 He's 21 currently.

01:26:48.220 So by any measure, you know, having sexual relations with a 13-year-old would be illegal.

01:26:54.340 So yeah, that's the alleged motive.

01:26:55.680 But what we last heard, Mark, was it was April 23rd, 2025, that he invited her to his home

01:27:01.920 in the Hollywood Hills.

01:27:03.780 Celeste was her name, Celeste Rivas.

01:27:06.520 And she arrived there.

01:27:08.280 She was never seen again.

01:27:09.280 But then on September of 2025, that's when her remains were found in the trunk of a car

01:27:14.700 that was registered to him.

01:27:16.360 And so we kind of knew that they were having an affair.

01:27:20.460 That's that there wasn't like proof positive of it, but it seemed very clear from their

01:27:24.960 little videos together.

01:27:25.820 They were definitely friends.

01:27:26.780 They were with a lot with each other a lot.

01:27:28.540 But, you know, getting from that to he's the one who put her in the trunk of that car is

01:27:34.760 that's that's where cases are made or fall apart.

01:27:37.540 Well, that's right, as usual, about a lot of things.

01:27:40.980 And in this case, he's right about the fact that the DA involved, Beth Silverman, to say she's tenacious is an understatement.

01:27:51.960 I think, though, that there is a lot more going on here.

01:27:55.920 And let me kind of set the stage for it, because I don't know that I've ever seen this all done before.

01:28:02.460 Not only did they have a medical examiner, we know today or yesterday when the published reports were that the exam was released and there was information as of December of last year that the medical examiner had come to the conclusion that the cause of death was use of a sharp instrument,

01:28:29.540 that there were fingers that were severed and they had a toxicology that at least showed the

01:28:38.000 presence of drugs. You combine that with the fact that what's being reported today also, if true,

01:28:44.720 is that there was child porn, meaning images of females who were under 18 on David's phone.

01:28:53.700 All of that would have been known to the DA last year, which leads you to why did the LAPD go in months ago, get rebuffed first, and then successfully later muzzle the medical examiner to the point where the medical examiner, something I've never seen before, came out publicly and pushed back against that.

01:29:17.220 put on his website a statement saying, you know, that this is not transparent, that this shouldn't

01:29:22.220 happen. Not once, but twice did he do that. And then yesterday, after the DA asked that the medical

01:29:30.180 report be released, he thanked his partner agencies. I'm going to wildly speculate here

01:29:37.280 that what happened was they arrested him on Thursday so that I think the LAPD did that

01:29:44.340 so that they could force the DA to file this case. They did not have a criminal complaint.

01:29:50.160 They did not have an indictment when they arrested him. There's this weird violation,

01:29:56.060 I think constitutional violation, where you can arrest somebody on a Thursday and not put them

01:30:01.100 before a magistrate until a Monday, which is beyond what the Supreme Court says for 48 hours.

01:30:06.500 That forced the DA to come in heavy and file this case on Monday. The defense did something,

01:30:13.120 I think, very astute. They said, that's fine. You can dump terabytes of information on us.

01:30:18.700 We're ready for trial, which was in contrast to what happened in the Reiner case, where they

01:30:24.200 dumped terabytes of information and the public defender said, hey, I need two or three months.

01:30:29.260 I don't have enough time. I think that this the ball's back in the D.A.'s court and the D.A. may

01:30:33.820 go get an indictment at this point. Matt, what do you make of that, that she was dragged to a 0.50

01:30:38.760 kicking and screaming by cops who were like, it's time.

01:30:41.700 You know, I had a conversation with Harvey Levin on TMZ about this.

01:30:46.160 And of course, that's Mark's Mark's partner on another podcast, which is sort of he called me.

01:30:51.980 Mark is always right. You're always right. And Harvey's always wrong.

01:30:56.340 By the way, Harvey even called me a slut. 0.84

01:30:59.460 His words for doing Meghan Kelly true crime with Matt. 0.98

01:31:03.400 I told him. Yeah, slut. 1.00

01:31:04.760 I told him in the market, I was cheating on him with me in our new podcast. 0.99

01:31:08.040 Chef Harvey is one to talk.

01:31:09.200 I have another ransom note.

01:31:10.720 How many 50,000 podcasts can I tease it on?

01:31:13.780 Please. 0.78

01:31:14.820 I was slut-shamed, so I'll leave it at that. 0.93

01:31:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:31:18.520 Well, you're a hussy. 1.00

01:31:20.160 I'm honored that you're slutting it up with me. 1.00

01:31:22.240 I will be doing all I can to lure you away from that man, just so we can set the record 0.89

01:31:26.660 straight.

01:31:28.300 Yes, Matt.

01:31:28.920 So Harvey and I went back and forth a little bit on that.

01:31:33.260 And he was actually very pleasant, Megan.

01:31:34.680 I'd never been on the show before, but I took sort of like, I took a counter position and he

01:31:40.300 agrees with Mark on this. You know, I, I think I, I've had some dealings with Nathan Hockman

01:31:46.040 and it's all of mine have been very positive. This is, it is unusual. I've never seen it done

01:31:52.260 quite that way, but I think you can. And they've got, you know, they've been working on this thing

01:31:57.400 for months and months. And I think that one move certainly is refusing to wait time. But on the

01:32:03.680 other hand there's a thing in california called prop 115 where you can just throw on you can put

01:32:08.660 on hearsay statement to establish probable cause all the all the da needs to do here is basically

01:32:13.840 call the lead and maybe one or two other witnesses regarding what happened in front of the grand jury

01:32:18.220 and they get the ball over the net on that and then they're just in the discovery phase that's

01:32:22.560 what i would do if i was them um you kind of you know what i you want to know what i would do back

01:32:27.300 matt and i you and i discuss this there's this little known provision in the penal code called

01:32:32.380 866. California Supreme Court said, if you're going to go and try and just put on a bare bones

01:32:38.580 prelim, the only way we're going to say that that gives you due process is if the defense can make

01:32:44.920 an offer to the court and say, we're going to call witnesses because we don't think you're telling

01:32:49.420 the whole truth. And that's what I would do if they try to bare bones what we call 115 prelim,

01:32:55.660 which, by the way, Murphy pioneered down in Orange County. I can't tell you how many times

01:33:00.340 he hoisted me on a 115 petard of a prelim. But 866 is if you can convince the judge,

01:33:10.120 then your witness, you can put the witness on. I don't think the DA is ready to put these witnesses

01:33:15.420 on and subject them to the cross-examination. We'll see soon enough. Yeah, I mean, and maybe

01:33:22.520 it's just me, but it doesn't seem like that confusing or complicated a case. If she's got

01:33:27.300 child sexual abuse materials on his phone, Matt. He's not getting out. He's going to have additional

01:33:33.320 charges filed against him. And I don't know if they can prove murder, but it's very, very bad

01:33:39.000 that he was having sex with a 13-year-old girl who is now dead and dismembered in the back of 0.71

01:33:45.360 his car. That alone would be pretty circumstantial, but I'll bet you there's more. So, yeah, well,

01:33:50.520 I read the coroner's reports yesterday, and one of the interesting things about this is that she

01:33:55.280 was essentially the decomp was very advanced and so she was basically a skeleton in inside the car

01:34:02.060 but they they left her tube top on and there were cuts in the tube top indicating and i'll bet you

01:34:08.280 anything that there's going to be when we get the full report there's going to be nicks on the ribs

01:34:12.500 underneath that so i think they're going to be able to prove a murder i don't know if they're

01:34:16.420 gonna be able to prove that he was the killer or not but he's certainly under the theory that

01:34:20.520 they're advancing was the one that stood to gain but and mark has had this experience and i i have

01:34:25.820 too juries if you get in child pornography that case you are you're basically on third base um

01:34:32.940 and and all you need is a base hit prosecution wise because the jury will hate him so much for

01:34:39.300 just touching the child pornography and it fits look that's corroborative to this idea that they

01:34:44.240 were having a sexual relationship and also if that's true and of course we haven't seen it yet

01:34:49.280 But I think that the vast majority of public sympathy for this guy is going to evaporate

01:34:54.840 overnight, if that's true.

01:34:56.540 Hopefully, we'll never see those images.

01:34:58.520 If anybody has it.

01:34:59.360 Yeah.

01:34:59.900 But, and hey, can I just do a side thing here?

01:35:02.480 Mark, as Mark was in the green room, Mark is a very busy man.

01:35:06.380 He's very important.

01:35:07.240 I was sitting there listening.

01:35:08.820 Mark, you missed it.

01:35:09.640 And I'm not sure what we're getting into because all I heard was Megyn Kelly and Ashley Merchant, 0.99

01:35:14.380 our friend, talking about Katy Perry's vagina. 0.98

01:35:16.800 That was with the first segment. 0.99

01:35:18.780 so um which she took out and rubbed on someone hey you mark's the one who brought up penal yeah

01:35:26.680 yeah and oh and by the way dave erenberg and phil holloway were sitting there mark

01:35:32.700 saying absolutely nothing they were trying to be so careful

01:35:38.320 erenberg started stuttering it was amazing i've never seen him like that before

01:35:44.760 he's coming right at him yeah and then they start they go to cash patel mark and then you arrive

01:35:51.320 so it's like the most serious capital stuff we talk about cash patel in the poodle room

01:35:58.760 i want you to know right now megan in the last 45 days i have been i'm not going to reveal names

01:36:05.120 in the poodle room where alcohol was served with doj members of the doj so i'm just going to leave

01:36:13.060 it at that. Oh, were they hammered? Did they, did they get extremely drunk? I'm not, I'm not going

01:36:18.320 to do, I'm not a drug recognition expert. I'll leave that. That's a good defense lawyer right

01:36:22.480 there. This is like off topic, but isn't it, it's so weird. You know, there's that story in the news

01:36:27.820 right now about the Patriots coach and the ESPN reporter. And there was a picture online of them

01:36:33.080 like holding hands at some resort. It seemed pretty clear they were getting it on. I guess

01:36:37.940 technically they're denying it. But in any event, she got fired from ESPN. They're both married.

01:36:44.120 Okay. That makes sense to me because she's supposed to be covering him and it's, you know,

01:36:48.220 you've sacrificed your objectivity. You can't be sleeping with your source or the subject of your

01:36:52.340 coverage. But now he's stepped away from the Patriots coaching job for a couple of days.

01:36:57.680 He's going to like some counseling over the weekend. He's going to miss the draft. He's

01:37:02.020 technically going to oversee it from from afar. But I'm like, has the moral the morality police

01:37:07.940 gone a little far? Like, why am I reading about this? Why do I need to know about like lost our

01:37:14.540 mind? You know, one of the examples I give with great frequency is Casey Wasserman, who's head of

01:37:22.040 the Olympic L.A. 28 Olympic Committee. He's mentioned in the Epstein files as specifically

01:37:29.920 He made a comment about Jelaine looking good in leather pants.

01:37:33.640 OK, I mean, he's now had to sell his business for a billion dollars.

01:37:40.720 I guess there's worse things that could happen.

01:37:42.880 But now they're trying to drum him out of the Olympic Committee, all because he made

01:37:47.320 a comment, I don't know, over a decade ago that now has surfaced.

01:37:51.880 I realize that everything Epstein is radioactive.

01:37:54.920 But can we just take a step back and take a breath before we just cancel people for everything under the sun?

01:38:02.680 It's unbelievable.

01:38:03.620 To your point, it's morality police on steroids.

01:38:08.260 It's like nothing I've ever seen.

01:38:10.520 Yeah.

01:38:11.320 Isn't it?

01:38:11.780 It's his business with his wife.

01:38:14.060 Like, why is he having to take days away from the patriots?

01:38:17.440 Because he may or may not have gotten it on with this reporter.

01:38:21.220 By the way, my executive producer corrects me.

01:38:23.560 She worked for The Athletic, which is owned by The New York Times.

01:38:27.220 She and she was if they were to she's formerly of ESPN.

01:38:31.760 If they were to tell me that he took days off to recover from the black eye from his wife slugging him, I would.

01:38:37.460 OK, I get that. Got it. I'm there. Totally.

01:38:42.000 No, but like there's like a big interview of him, Matt, online where he's like, you know, I had to talk to my team about not becoming a distraction and, you know, not I'm sorry I let them down.

01:38:51.760 like like those guys would high five them in a heartbeat if they if they could that's i mean

01:38:59.800 we're still talking about a group of american football players in a locker room give me a

01:39:03.520 break yeah it's like this pearl clutching thing it's i totally agree it's it's completely out of

01:39:09.780 hand it really is then there was another article i just think i see this one as long as we're going

01:39:14.460 down this lane why not there's a dhs employee she's she's a dhs department hall on security 0.96

01:39:19.780 and there's some guy who's complaining because she was asking him for a bunch of money she was 0.86

01:39:25.700 like i want you to pay for my dinner and i want you to pay for my wardrobe and i want a few thousand

01:39:29.260 bucks for this and um was basically treating him like a sugar daddy right and like again what what

01:39:36.080 i don't i don't understand everywhere it's like it's up to you whether you want to do it or not

01:39:41.200 do it we all know how that works like if you give it up she's probably going to give it up too or

01:39:46.420 You can just say she's terrible.

01:39:47.700 Why am I reading about it in the paper, Mark Garagos?

01:39:50.340 You explain that to me.

01:39:51.780 You can also explain the other administration official who's in a yellow bikini who was 1.00

01:39:58.720 drummed out of the administration because the media claimed that she was taking a junket 1.00

01:40:04.180 or having fun in Vegas.

01:40:05.780 I don't understand it.

01:40:07.880 The cancel culture actually is too nice of a name for it. 0.99

01:40:14.960 It's ridiculous. 0.68

01:40:15.740 The way we have come to a point where people have lost their minds on these kinds of things. 0.71

01:40:21.980 Truly, it's like these sort of I don't know, it's it's it's its own court in a way, Matt, you know, like the court of public opinion.

01:40:29.580 The media tries you. There will never be due process. You will just lose your reputation right quick.

01:40:34.100 And it lives forever. Anybody who Googles it. And I mean, these are high profile people. But imagine the guy who has one thing on social media and that comes up over and over again. And it's not just the super famous. There's other people that, you know, are in the lower ranks of notoriety and it can destroy their entire life.

01:40:56.000 Yeah.

01:40:56.540 Where do you go to get your reputation back?

01:40:57.900 Look, I don't condone the cheating, obviously.

01:41:00.000 It's just like, I don't know why it's my business.

01:41:01.720 It's the spouse's business, the kid's business, but it's definitely not my business.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 23, 2026

Kash Patel SUES The Atlantic, D4vd Arrested, and Katy Perry Allegations, with MK True Crime Hosts, Plus Terrible CA Dems ｜ Ep. 1302

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