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00:01:12.140Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
00:01:15.420There's new reporting on why Blake Lively showed up to the Met Gala alone
00:01:20.120just hours after settling her lawsuit with Justin Baldoni for reportedly zero dollars.
00:01:27.340It was a complete surrender. We'll get into what insiders to the couple are saying now about Ryan Reynolds skipping that event. Plus, Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch will be here next hour. I've been doing a deep dive on him in preparation for this, and there are so many fun facts about Justice Gorsuch that you did not know about, and his education.
00:01:49.280And he was like an open conservative at Harvard Law School.
00:03:29.120And somebody's got to take over the role.
00:03:30.660The primary is June 2nd, and the top two candidates from this crowded field will go on to compete against each other in the general election.
00:03:39.060There are two very strong Republicans in the race.
00:03:41.480I mean, it's just a fantasy that both of them could be the top two.
00:03:44.260and that, for sure, that would lead to a Republican running California.
00:04:21.340And then there's San Jose Mayor Matt Mahan.
00:04:25.900Former L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaregosa also made the debate stage last night,
00:04:32.520but he's only pulling at 4%, so we don't really care about him.
00:04:35.220The top two vote-getters, regardless of party, as I said,
00:04:38.060will advance to the primary, well, in the primary to the general. And before the evening even began
00:04:44.480yesterday, Katie Porter was already making headlines. Okay. So when did the, when did all
00:04:50.320the stuff come out about her burning her husband with the mashed potatoes? It's like a year ago,
00:04:54.820right? Maybe my team can check me. When we've, we came to realize that she was a very, very angry
00:05:01.340lady and the videos surfaced of her, get the fuck out of my shot. And we started to really come to0.98
00:05:06.720understand who she was. I mean, this happened with the staff member back in July of 2021,
00:05:13.020but I got to figure out when exactly it broke again. And it all came to our notice. Remember,
00:05:19.340it was during the contest of this race because she sat down with that one reporter and she's
00:05:24.220like, I'm calling it. I'm calling it. I'm not going to sit here for seven follow-ups. And then
00:05:29.020that brought back up the July 2021 video of her berating a staffer. And so my point is simply,
00:05:35.400It's been all this time since the staff member thing happened, since the story broke since she berated that reporter, all this time, and she's finally come around to the obvious fact that the only winning move was to make fun of herself.
00:05:53.500OK, she's finally gotten that. But I regret to inform you, Sister Katie, it's too late. Now it just looks nakedly political because you put it in an ad, too. Whereas you should have done it in the moment when the controversy was happening.
00:06:12.340you should have gone on SNL, this show, anywhere, and mocked yourself. I mean, I guess you could
00:06:20.820make the argument, it's never too late, you know, better late than never, but I have to be honest,
00:06:27.000I'm not feeling that. Maybe it's the execution. Okay, first, before we get to this, the moment
00:06:32.820on tape that she is about to make fun of herself for, this is the original sin, July 2021.
00:06:40.160one that we're going to lose more than half a million Californians dying prematurely to air0.98
00:06:46.260pollution and other problems and the state could lose get out of my fucking shot i wanted to tell0.94
00:06:53.560you that that's actually incorrect it's not that it's electric vehicles it's that if we don't need0.74
00:06:58.700the commitments under the paris climate accord okay it does okay you also were in my shop before
00:07:04.520that. Stay out of my shot. Okay. I'm going to start again with electric vehicles saving us
00:07:11.920money. Perfect. Okay. I've said before, I would not be happy if one of my team members got in my
00:07:21.340live shot and then tried to correct something I had said. It wasn't live, I think was the point.
00:07:26.600And this staffer thought she was saving Katie Porter from saying something dumb that was wrong
00:07:31.940in a pre-taped exchange, and clearly Porter realized she could redo it, which she then did.
00:07:37.900But that moment has haunted her because it dovetails with all the other things that we've
00:07:43.680heard about her. You know, the Daily Mail did great reporting. By the way, this all was discussed and
00:07:48.460came out in October of 2025. They've done great reporting on, you know, yeah, the fact that she
00:07:54.520was apparently abusive to her ex-husband. He accused her of dumping scalding mashed potatoes
00:07:59.380over his head. She can't control her emotions, my friends. So in any event, finally, we get around0.99
00:08:09.500to whatever that is, October to now, and what, eight months? And she's finally decided through
00:08:16.920her team that as she runs for the governor's position, the best way to deal with that is to0.90
00:08:22.740mock it. You tell me whether she does that effectively in this ad. I'm Katie Porter,1.00
00:08:27.940and I'm not like most people who run for governor,
00:08:30.860I actually get what you're going through.
00:08:50.700and stepping on some toes along the way.
00:08:53.260Now, could you guys please get out of my shot?
00:08:57.940ha ha ha cue the hearty laughter by the people's holding signs behind her okay it's amazing that
00:09:07.860like just being a normal person and like she wants props for going to the grocery store
00:09:13.760how is this a job qualifier don't you all go i go to the grocery store all right i probably have
00:09:21.180you know more money than katie porter i go like most normal people go to the grocery store
00:09:27.700And you're not special that you have a minivan either. I mean, ours is a Chevy Suburban, but it's a large vehicle to get around our kids. Like, a lot of people have large vehicles to get around their children. She wants you to know it has 200,000 miles on it. Okay. I mean, great. That's good.
00:09:45.120I'm not sure it makes you qualified to be governor of California, but she's trying to draw a distinction between herself and like Tom Steyer, who she's probably right, doesn't go to the grocery store and probably doesn't have that great a figure on, you know, how much things cost.
00:10:02.800Right. Like, I get it. So, OK, that's one way in.
00:10:06.020But the problem for Katie Porter is one of the reasons she's a single mom with three kids is because, again, according to the ex-husband, she threw those scalding hot potatoes at him and actually really burned him.1.00
00:10:17.600This is what he alleged, quote, he said that she went berserk.
00:10:45.560Think of the number of times you've been really angry in your life.
00:10:49.820I mean, of course, everyone's been there, especially like people you're dating or whatever, your spouse, they can drive you to your last nerve if you have a deep disagreement over something.
00:25:00.480I love that she's reading her stage directions up on behind the podium.
00:25:05.500It reminded me of that famous, I think it was a 1992 New Hampshire town hall that George H.W. Bush did where he said,
00:25:12.460message I care because I guess there was a cue card that said message colon I care so message
00:25:19.340I'm not crazy message I'm likable I'm looking forward to the next debate where she just says
00:25:24.340look everyone knows that I'm the most likable because that's the message is that I'm likable
00:25:29.280um so yeah she's totally not and I can make fun of myself and let's talk about her shot that the
00:25:36.160staffer was in is if the staffer was the bad part of that shot. Like what part of messy kitchen did1.00
00:25:43.220she think was like a really good aesthetic there? Like the staffer in the mask was the least
00:25:49.240offensive thing about that shot. But, you know, Katie Porter, she fits in perfectly with the1.00
00:25:55.220California Democrat Party because they understand, as the National Democrat Party does, that their
00:26:00.420foundation is illegal immigration. And so, you know, you would think that if they had wanted
00:26:05.680illegals to come in. They would strike some kind of bargain like, hey, guys, we're going to let0.92
00:26:09.380all these illegals in, but don't worry. It'll be OK. They're going to pay for all of your stuff.0.99
00:26:14.080You know, I don't think it'd be a great idea, but that might be a bargain some people would go for.
00:26:18.380But instead, the Democrats are like, hey, we're going to have an invasion of illegal immigrants.
00:26:22.580They're going to take over your country. And in return, you're not getting anything for free.0.62
00:26:27.180Now, you're still paying full freight, but you're going to give them everything for free.
00:26:31.520And it's so insane that when you hear it, you're like, that couldn't possibly be their message. And yet it is. Becerra agreed with it. Villaraigosa agreed with it. Steyer agreed with it. They understand that Americans have largely abandoned the Democrat Party because the Democrat Party has abandoned America.
00:26:49.240And so now their only hope, especially in California, which was utterly transformed by illegal immigration, their only hope is in bringing in as many people as they can, giving them as much free crap as they can, and then hoping that they'll vote for Democrats in larger numbers than actual Americans.
00:27:05.760yeah and that they were basically owning that last night so rob that basically being like look
00:27:11.740katie porter i think was the one who said it like the only the only new people who are coming here
00:27:16.140are illegals so yeah we need to take care of them i mean again thank you for saying it out loud
00:27:22.280yeah look i would say there's one broad observation to make about this and maybe it's1.00
00:27:28.220me trying to see the silver lining but if you compared this to what democratic internal debates
00:27:34.320were like in, say, 2020, it's remarkable how much of it was focused on what you might call
00:27:41.080material questions like health care, like a living wage, and less so about, bracket the
00:27:49.340question of immigration aside, less so about policing or trans or stuff like that. So to some
00:27:54.660extent, even in the California Democratic Party, it has filtered down that the craziness of 2020,
00:28:00.680what we've come to call the woke kind of peak woke era, didn't work for the party. And so they
00:28:06.700can talk about other things. However, the kryptonite to that is immigration, the thing that1.00
00:28:13.860undoes everything else. So I think about myself in a different universe. I could be a 1990s1.00
00:28:22.160Democrat because probably unlike the two of you, I think labor unions in the private economy are
00:28:28.620a good thing workers need i was a 1990s democrat yeah that's right i can relate to this bully
00:28:33.780fair enough or or you know support for just broadly speaking the new deal programs i think
00:28:39.180those are achievements of of working middle class people in this country however they don't work
00:28:45.000if you have infinity immigration right because first of all in undocumented migrants the reason0.63
00:28:52.900big business loves undocumented migrants is because they put downward pressure on the wages of
00:28:58.160of native born workers. Obviously, they're cheap, and they put pressure on public services. So1.00
00:29:05.400it, you know, the fact that they can't let that part of what I consider 2020 era madness, which is
00:29:13.020infinity migration, that the fact that they can't let it go, in a way is a tragedy. And look,
00:29:19.760California has huge problems. It is still, I think, like the eighth or ninth largest economy
00:29:27.040in the world if just taken by itself. But that's changing. Hollywood is increasingly moving to
00:29:32.340Atlanta. A lot of tech is no longer bound to Silicon Valley. And a lot of this has to do with
00:29:38.560these kinds of lifestyle governance at which Democrats are really bad, right? Democratic
00:29:44.720cities, especially on the West Coast, especially in California, have come to be associated with
00:29:50.000tent cities and and just this atmosphere of lawlessness um and that's the sort of stuff
00:29:56.840they need to be talking about not what i consider a very millennial style of campaigning which katie
00:30:02.920porter especially exemplified but it is all the other candidates where it's like me you know the
00:30:08.860message is katie no one cares about katie porter's instead of you you know right and the fact no i
00:30:14.540care that you're wrong there that's right that's right i mean we all do for entertainment sake
00:30:18.200But actually, telling the people in the ad behind you, get out of my shot, even if you're trying to make fun of yourself, actually is a terrible message.
00:30:26.240It's saying, look, I have this crowd behind me, but I don't want them.
00:30:43.840It's the job of the California governor to protect every single Californian.
00:30:48.360The sanctuary state policy is designed to make sure that our state resources, the taxpayer dollars, the public servants that we have, are focusing on doing their jobs, which is not cooperating with the federal immigration authorities.
00:31:29.840Can you call yourself a Californian if you just happen to live there, but you're there unlawfully and you could be ejected at any time if we get our shit together in our immigration department?0.98
00:32:09.020But if you're not, you're not. And then there's this other totally crazy thing they're doing out there, which is they understand that no one really wants to be there to build a business because it's totally suffocating and Kafka-esque to try and start and run a business in California because their tax environment is so bad.
00:32:25.000And so everyone's fleeing. And so they decided, well, crap, we can't have that. So we're going to do a retroactive tax. So if you leave the state after a certain point because you don't want to deal with our nonsense regulations and taxes here, we're still going to tax you even though you're not a Californian.
00:32:41.240You took the affirmative steps to not be in California, but we're going to come after you.
00:32:45.900And so it's this like Schrodinger's California question where you can simultaneously be a Californian and not depending on how you either help the Democrats bottom line for budgeting or whether you can add votes to them.
00:32:57.800And it's just what makes me truly sad is that California is an absolute gem.
00:34:52.060The Obamas flew by helicopter to Joint Base Andrews,0.99
00:34:54.920where they boarded a plane that took them to Palm Springs for a vacation.
00:34:58.100On the flight, Michelle sobbed uncontrollably for a half hour.
00:35:01.380It was just the release of eight years of trying to do everything perfectly, she said in an onstage interview with Oprah Winfrey back in 2018.
00:35:34.840And he says it does create a genuine tension in our household and it frustrates Michelle.
00:35:40.740I'm more forgiving of it, he says, but I understand why people want this.
00:35:45.100So what we have here is more tension between the Obamas and more woe is me from Michelle
00:35:50.880Obama, who, again, as reiterated by the New Yorker, felt the American people, who she's
00:35:56.180called racist many times, were holding her to an impossible standard that no human being could
00:36:01.720meet. So is this, in fact, our sexism and our racism that put poor Michelle in such a terrible
00:36:08.280position for these eight years? Yeah, no, I don't think so. And it's more of that, again, that0.67
00:36:13.900millennial, they're older than millennials, but it defined that kind of generation where the message
00:36:19.340was the person. And look, President Obama had a historic opportunity to remake the country. And
00:36:28.280some would say he did in indestructible ways. I don't think so. I think what's remarkable about
00:36:32.460Obama is ultimately, besides Obamacare, how little he did fundamentally to change the pattern away
00:36:39.700from Bush on foreign policy. He was largely a hawk. He started two more wars, a proxy war in
00:36:46.880Syria and a pointless regime change war in Libya, right? And then you had the fact that
00:36:54.940domestically speaking, he turned over a lot of decisions about the economy to all these figures
00:37:01.680from Wall Street, right? Tim Geithner, et cetera, et cetera. And that's because that kind of empty
00:37:07.160messaging, me, hope, whatever that meant, was easy to fill with the same old agenda just under a
00:37:14.920different wrapping right the same old kind of pro-war pro-wall street agenda and that set up
00:37:20.000the we're still there and that set up the trump uh coming to power right that was the reason trump
00:37:25.780came to power and it was again racism had very little to do with it because the most important
00:37:30.660group that brought trump to power are you know white working class people in states like
00:37:37.000pennsylvania who were twice obama voters they voted for twice for obama and then they became
00:37:42.360Trump voters. So those people weren't racist or didn't become racist over the course of the
00:37:47.780Obama presidency. They'd supported him twice, but they ultimately didn't get what they wanted out
00:37:54.060of it. It was they basically got more of the same. It's remarkable how little differed between
00:37:58.660Bush and Obama in some ways. And I think that's the real failure.
00:38:02.860Well, sadly, we're learning that that's true about Trump when it comes to foreign policy0.66
00:38:06.400somewhat as well, which is why those same white working class voters have now amazingly turned
00:38:11.600on him. I mean, it was like that was the most of all the shocking polls around Trump in this war.
00:38:16.520That was the most shocking is his loss of the white working class. No one ever thought it
00:38:19.760could happen. That is the Fifth Avenue voter, Sean, you know, who famously it was Trump could
00:38:25.560shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and they would never turn on him. I have to before I get to
00:38:29.540that, though, I've got I saved this one for you, Sean Davis, because the Federalist has done
00:38:34.080yeoman's work on Russiagate and the nonsense, which was perpetrated, propagated, pushed,
00:38:40.440supported by Brett by President Barack Obama. It was Obama's baby. And he has the nerve to say
00:38:48.380this. I guess he's doing a press tour because he also went on Stephen Colbert. He had the nerve
00:38:52.880to say this in SOT 21. The White House shouldn't be able to direct the attorney general to go
00:38:59.900around prosecuting. The idea is that the attorney general is the people's lawyer. It's not the
00:39:05.620president's consigliere we can't overcome the politicization of the criminal justice system
00:39:11.260the the awesome power of the state you can't have a situation in which
00:39:16.160whoever's in charge of the government starts using that to go after their political enemies
00:39:22.620we can't the audacity of this man like remember it it is wild to see him say uh the ag is not
00:39:33.780the president's consigliere. I remember Obama's AG, Eric Holder, saying, I'm the president's
00:39:39.540wingman. I'm his boy. I got him. I'm his wingman. So you have the man who was the literal architect
00:39:46.400of the Russiagate hoax, which they cooked up together in the Oval Office on January 5th,
00:39:52.6802017. It was him and Biden and Susan Rice and Comey and Clapper, and they were all in on it.
00:39:59.220So for this guy who has two legacies, one of which, like Barack Obama, if somehow you see this clip, you need to understand you have two legacies.
00:40:06.340One is Donald Trump. Congrats, by the way.
00:40:08.740Your only lasting legacy in American political history is creating Donald Trump.
00:40:28.120Okay, he gave it its origin story for this guy to go out there and pretend he had nothing to do with it. I will tell you, between that interview, between the New Yorker article, he had kind of faded away and I had forgotten about how mendacious and unlikable and dishonest he was. So thank you, Barack, for coming back and reminding all of us why we couldn't wait to get rid of you.
00:40:50.220Yeah, it's amazing. I mean, truly, that statement, you can't have a situation where whoever is in charge starts using that to go after their political enemies. Oh, my God. Like, that is literally what he did. That was the beginning of Russiagate by decision by him, not to mention what his vice president, who went on to become president, did for the four years he was in office.
00:41:14.320And all the other Democrats like Fannie Willis and Alvin Bragg, who tried to get Trump politically.
00:41:21.980I mean, this is just it's crazy not to mention what happened to Bannon.
00:41:26.140It's like for the interview, Stephen Colbert, not to say anything like nothing.
00:41:33.000You like I realize he's not a journalist, but it's just so hack.
00:41:36.420It's so hack like it's stomach turning.
00:41:41.060All right. We've got to talk about Iran because I have no idea what's happening in Iran. That's where I want to start it. There are reports now that from like the reporters to whom this administration or Netanyahu use to get information out like this.
00:41:59.000what's his name, Barack Ravid, who's constantly saying there's a deal, there's a deal, there's a
00:42:05.320deal, this guy's serving the IDF. And literally not one of them has proven to be true, not one.
00:42:10.820So I hesitate to even cite this guy. But once again, he is saying that there's a deal and it's
00:42:17.180allegedly a 14 point deal, at least potentially a deal, and goes through like what the points might
00:42:24.180be, they include, okay, let's see, a moratorium on uranium enrichment. This piece is dovetailed
00:42:33.900by Axios. A possible moratorium on uranium enrichment that could go 12 years to 15.
00:42:42.560Iran wants it to be five, reportedly. We wanted it to be 20. We wanted a provision whereby any
00:42:48.120Iranian violation on enrichment would prolong the moratorium. But after the moratorium,
00:42:54.280they could enrich to the low level of 3.67%. By the way, that's exactly the same amount as
00:42:59.200Barack Obama's deal that Trump said he hated, the JCPOA. It would commit to Iran never,
00:43:07.040never seeking a nuclear weapon. And according to a U.S. official reports, Axios, the parties
00:43:12.460are discussing a clause where Iran would commit not to operate underground nuclear facilities
00:43:18.520and would commit to it an enhanced inspections regime, including snap inspections by UN inspectors.
00:43:27.840Then two sources with knowledge, this is Axios, also claimed that Iran would agree to remove
00:43:32.060its highly enriched uranium from the country. They'd been haggling over that. Iran originally
00:43:37.340said, no, we said, give it to us. There was talk about giving it to a third party. This says one
00:43:42.380source as an option is moving the material to the United States. And in return, there would be a
00:43:48.220gradual lifting of our sanctions imposed on Iran, the gradual release of billions of dollars in
00:43:54.380Iranian funds that are frozen around the world. In one of the deals earlier that fell apart,
00:44:02.220we had proposed the release of 20 billion in frozen Iranian assets. So we don't know what
00:44:08.700the actual number of billions is that we'd be releasing to them, but a lot of billions though,
00:44:12.260Rab. And all of this is to get them to open up the Strait of Hormuz and make promises to us on
00:44:19.980uranium enrichment and pursuit of a nuclear weapon that we were already well down the line in0.60
00:44:25.960negotiating with them when we started this war. So your reaction to that news? Yeah, look, I like
00:44:33.140you i'm i'm a little bit uh skeptical every time there's this hyping of a deal i i watch iranian
00:44:40.480state tv all the time and they they seem to think that they're they have the upper hand of course
00:44:46.680they also propagandize as well what we do know is this for a fact is that the tone from the trump
00:44:51.700administration has shifted from the president himself yesterday i believe he said something
00:44:56.900like, I'm pausing Operation Freedom, which was this effort to escort vessels through the Strait
00:45:03.820of Hormuz. I'm putting a pause to that. And the fact that he downplayed the extent of the Iranian
00:45:10.400response, the Iranians had attacked the UAE as this facility that they had hit. And he sort of
00:45:16.320said, it wasn't that much. The fact that he could have used that as a cause for restarting the war0.52
00:45:23.820anything like that, but he quickly tamped it down. That could suggest that we're getting somewhere.
00:45:30.220And look, the tragedy here, though, is, as you said, a lot of this seems to be giving up a lot
00:45:37.020of points to Iran in order to just restore a status quo ante that, you know, wouldn't have
00:45:43.420been altered, but for the decision, the decision to go to war. So, yeah, coming days, coming weeks,
00:45:52.520months, years is going to be a reckoning with the fact that the people who sold this war
00:45:57.560aggressively and said that the Iranian regime was on the verge of collapse, it would just take a
00:46:02.340push or whatever. That includes Bibi, that includes Senator Lindsey Graham, that includes lots of
00:46:08.400others in this kind of hawkish orbit who were supposed to have been sidelined by Trump. The
00:46:14.720whole rise of Trump was to get those people, the kind of permanent war party, get their hands off
00:46:20.860the levers of power. And then they ended up getting exactly what they wanted out of what was
00:46:26.520supposed to have the least likely administration to give it to them. So there's going to be a
00:46:30.380reckoning, I think, in the Republican Party. Certainly, the Democrats are already is are
00:46:34.340on a far, far different place, right? The mainstream candidates and office holders will
00:46:41.420talk about Israel as an apartheid state or vote for withholding defensive and offensive and0.94
00:46:47.400defensive arms from them but even in the republican party look with under 50s extremely frustrated
00:46:53.480with this uh independence a majority are are frustrated with that whole complex of pro-israel
00:47:00.820pro-war um ideologies because bottom line like what has it gotten us we we went into this
00:47:07.620yesterday i filled up my tank and i posted about it on twitter it was like a let's say 2020 style
00:47:14.740price for um 2022 i should say yeah me too i filled up over the weekend it was five dollars
00:47:23.880and nine cents a gallon five dollars in connecticut right now today the um average price per
00:47:30.620gallon it just went up today again and the average price is four dollars and 53 cents a gallon a year
00:47:37.040ago, it was at $3.17. That's gas. Diesel, today it's at $5.65. A year ago, it was at $3.55. So
00:47:48.500it's more than $2 higher than it was a year ago. And it's only $0.16 off of its highest ever.
00:47:57.520Oh yeah. I mean, my husband actually literally wrote the book on diesel, on Rudolph Diesel,
00:48:02.560and walked us through the number of things in the economy that are powered by diesel. It's a
00:48:06.920real thing. Every truck, every ship, every half the cars, every crane at like all the heavy
00:48:12.480equipment, like it's all powered by diesel, which is two dollars higher per gallon than it was a
00:48:18.280year ago and 16 cents off. It's highest in history. Sean, some of this is what's leading to this.
00:48:26.740I give you Harry Enten talking about Trump's approval rating in SOT 12.
00:48:32.120One of them that just came out over the weekend was the ABC News Washington Post Ipsos poll.
00:48:36.920And you can see it right here. I mean, this just tells the story, right?
00:48:41.140The lowest net approval ratings ever for the president of the United States.
00:52:42.100Imagine if today was the day your idea changed someone's life.
00:52:45.520Imagine if you could help someone pay for college, help your community build a new playground, or help a child make it to that dream competition.
00:56:46.620Well, you know, we're going to be celebrating, as you say, with fireworks and parades, and that's great. But I'm hopeful that maybe we can take just a moment to reflect on the declaration itself, the promises it holds for each of us, just how radical the ideas in it were and remain, and the people behind it.
00:57:06.700None of it was inevitable. And the courage and sacrifice they showed were just remarkable.
00:57:13.000I know kids love superheroes. Who doesn't? But the people who made the Declaration possible
00:57:19.640were real superheroes, too. And some were, yes, the founders, the framers, but men, women, children
00:57:27.920of all ages and backgrounds came together during the course of the revolution in incredible hardship
01:08:10.100And, you know, I think about we all have stories about our own childhood and interesting and difficult challenges.
01:08:19.200And we think we've got amazing stories.
01:08:21.940But I hope actually the kids who read this book will find inspirations for them and realize what they can do and the courage that is within them.
01:08:32.480We tell the story, you know, I think my childhood, nothing on the patch of like Emily Geiger, who was an 18-year-old, who was asked to pass a message from a patriot general to another patriot general, but had to go through British lines to do it.
01:08:49.340And she volunteered when no one else would.
01:09:19.160The one that didn't make it in, Megan, that just really, I wish it had, but, you know, there's only so much room.
01:09:24.460Richard Lloyd-Jones was 10 years old when he joined up the Continental Army as a pfeiffer.
01:09:30.060marching alongside the troops suffering the same hardships he served for three years
01:09:35.580and then he walked home 150 miles by himself wow it's like the stories that we joke about
01:09:44.660our grandparents telling us only it really happened right all right now not not to give
01:09:49.800you too much credit and compare you to that but you had your own act of courage in being an open
01:09:55.960conservative at Harvard Law School. That is very bold, very bold. And I wanted to ask you about it
01:10:03.120because I think our founders would be shocked to see how difficult it is for especially right
01:10:09.980leaning young people to own their politics in school. That they, you know, if discussions come
01:10:16.260up about Columbus Day or the Supreme Court or the presidential election, many young conservatives
01:10:23.780feel the need to keep their mouths shut. What do you make of that?
01:10:27.780I love our First Amendment and the opportunity to speak your mind, and you should do so freely
01:10:33.400and bravely, and whatever point of view you have. And I think if you look back through our history,
01:10:39.420you're going to realize that what seems hard or unique in your own times, and I'm not denying the
01:10:45.180reality of those things, you're going to find echoes of it, and you're going to learn how to
01:10:49.500deal with it when you study your history. And you're going to see, you want to talk about
01:10:53.980suppressing people you disagree with. Well, you know, John Adams signed the Alien and Sedition
01:11:00.400Act, made it a crime to speak negatively about the president of the United States,
01:11:06.100jailed publishers who criticized him and called him fat and bald and querulous. And I think it0.55
01:11:12.280was all of those things. So we've all had, we all face our own challenges, but I think you can take
01:11:18.900strength and find heroes to emulate when you bother to look through the pages of history.
01:11:26.880Was it, I mean, you're just a little older than I am, but like when I went to school in the 80s,
01:11:33.840you could say whatever you wanted. No one cared. Like the way I remembered anyway was
01:11:38.600you'd get more pats on the head if you espoused liberal points of view, but it wasn't really
01:11:44.580required in order to get ahead everywhere, the way it seems to be today. So just to the many,
01:11:50.980many young people who have asked me directly, Justice Gorsuch, you don't have access to you,
01:11:56.060should they go along to get along, to get a pat on the head and an A if asked about their politics,
01:12:01.980do you think? Like young kids who are at college, you want to go to med school or law school or
01:12:05.400grad school, should they play the game or should they say what they actually believe and take the
01:12:13.480lower grade if they must. First, I say to young kids like that, learn, right? Before you criticize,
01:12:21.060before you say you know how the world should be changed, make sure you know what you're talking
01:12:25.760about, okay? Before you want to tear down that gate, make sure you know why the gate was put
01:12:31.320there in the first place, because maybe it's holding back a herd of buffalo, all right? But
01:12:35.100once you've educated yourself and you really do feel like you know something about what you're
01:12:40.360talking about. Yes. Remember what it was like back in 1776. Not everybody did stand up. Would
01:12:48.500you have had the bravery to be a patriot? Right? Would you have been one of the silent majority
01:12:53.840who just tried to stay out of it? And aren't you glad some people did stand up? And what a
01:12:59.500difference they made and what a difference you can make when you come to it with a kind of knowledge,
01:13:04.180thoughtfulness, deliberation, and courage, and a willingness to sacrifice. You have to remember,
01:13:09.500like most of the men who signed the declaration gave their fortunes to the revolution. They died
01:13:16.660poorer for the cause. They gave it everything they had. We tell the story, for example, of
01:13:22.520one of the founders from Virginia, Thomas Nelson, who was head of the militia at Yorktown.
01:13:32.700And when he saw that the British were using his home as their headquarters, he didn't hesitate
01:13:36.900to order his men to open fire on it. And having given so much to the revolutionary cause, he died
01:13:43.120so poor that they buried his body in a hidden grave so his creditors couldn't dig it up and
01:13:50.860hold it as collateral for payment. And when he died, he was asked whether he was bitter about
01:13:57.000his experiences, and he said he'd do it all over again. And I do think, yes, you need to stand up
01:14:03.540and be counted, but make sure you do it for the right reasons and with full knowledge of what
01:14:08.660you're involved in. I think some people believe that we were a hardier stock back then. I don't
01:14:15.520disagree with that. Yeah, I cover the news every day. I was going to say, some people are weaker
01:14:20.380today and some people were weaker back then, but we still have a lot of strong people, old and
01:14:24.780young. What's your take on it? Absolutely. People ask me all the time, are you an optimist or a
01:14:30.120pessimist. And I struggle with that. But at the end of the day, I'm an optimist. I just spent
01:14:35.020yesterday at the Reagan Library talking to kids. It was fantastic. It's amazing. And I remember his
01:14:40.840optimism for the country, right? America's days were ahead of us, he said, in 1980. Well, I remember
01:14:47.7001980. And we had inflation and interest rates, about 20%. We couldn't fly a helicopter across
01:14:55.600the desert to rescue hostages. Everybody was lining up for gasoline, Vietnam, Watergate,
01:15:03.400the riots of the 60s. People really did think America's best days were behind. And he said,
01:15:09.220no. And I don't see any reason why we should disagree with Ronald Reagan's assessment today.
01:15:15.900And so, yes, I am an optimist. But I do think it takes courage, right? Somebody has to run the zoo.
01:15:22.260And so those brave young people, get yourself educated and then get involved.
01:15:28.700Now, I understand you, because after you went to Columbia for college, to Harvard for law school, and then you wound up in Oxford for, if I'm not mistaken, a degree, an advanced degree in philosophy.
01:15:41.040And there you met your beautiful wife, and she's a Brit?
01:15:45.800She's a proud Brit, but she's a proud American, too.
01:15:49.660She took the citizenship test, which, you know, distresses me to know that only about six in 10 adult Americans can pass the citizenship.
01:20:42.080So you're not taking my bait on whether you were rattled by the leak?
01:20:46.800I think I'm going to give you the same answer, Megan. I think, you know, you have to have room for us to be able to write our drafts, to talk to one another, to deliberate privately, and then balance that with transparency. And I think both are important in our line of work.
01:21:04.360Yeah. Yeah. And is, I mean, 99.99% of the time respected by everyone, the justices and the
01:21:12.820clerks and everybody who's court staff, many of whom I know and think the world of. And if you
01:21:18.720are very, very lucky, then at the end of your life, you will have a farewell like our friend TJ
01:21:23.920did. This is from the book. Again, it is The Heroes of 1776 by Justice Neil Gorsuch and Janie
01:21:32.480Nitze, his co-author, and you write as follows about Jefferson and Adams. The two men who had
01:21:39.920devoted their lives to the cause of freedom died just hours apart on the same day, July 4th, 1826,
01:21:48.260the 50th anniversary of the adoption of the Declaration of Independence. Jefferson's health
01:21:53.460had been declining for years, and by late June, he could hardly rise from his bed. Yet his mind
01:21:58.740remained clear. Sensing his end was near, he penned a final letter declaring all eyes are opened or
01:22:06.400opening to the rights of man. On July 3rd, Jefferson slipped in and out of sleep, waking
01:22:13.060briefly in the evening to whisper, is it the fourth? He drew his final breath a little past
01:22:20.120noon the following day. Oh, I mean, it's gotten me every time I've read it. Is there any, is there
01:22:27.840anything that we could feel so pulled to, so tight to, so important to us in modern-day
01:22:34.280American, modern-day America, Justice Gorsuch, that could bring that kind of importance to us,
01:22:39.620you know? I think there's a frustration. We want something that big again in our lives.
01:22:43.860Those men fought and died and risked everything they had. And we tell the stories of their
01:22:48.520suffering, too, between the time they signed the declaration and that end you just read,
01:22:53.620where they were hunted men. Third of them lost their homes. Many of them were imprisoned,
01:22:59.780had their wives in prison, their children in prison for those three great ideas in the
01:23:04.060declaration. And we are a creedal nation, Megan. We are not founded around any religion
01:23:09.300or any particular ethnicity. What we share is a commitment to those three ideas. And I do think
01:23:17.060Those three ideas have led men and women to fight and die for 250 years, and they're worth
01:23:24.240our time and our sacrifice in whatever little modest things we can give with what few skills
01:23:30.360God has given each of us to continue to carry that torch forward.
01:32:28.560Are you aware what part of the conversation you're in?0.96
01:32:30.980the part about soulless grifters who try to get ahead in life by hurting others without any
01:32:37.500empathy or guilt or compunction about what they're doing to innocence. That's the part you're in.0.97
01:32:45.260They report that Ryan and Blake were always united during this, but we're not always on
01:32:49.620the same page. Reportedly, he has always wanted her to settle and move forward and that this has
01:32:56.160been bad for her and bad for their careers, both of them, and an enormous amount of stress for them
01:33:01.100both. And she wanted to keep going and keep going. Apparently, they say this is according to an
01:33:06.780industry insider who understands he is so closely associated with her, Ryan Reynolds, and she has
01:33:12.780become toxic. So I'm sure he did not love that. Ryan stopped wanting to talk about it, apparently,
01:33:18.480according to the Daily Mail. He was sick of her droning on and on about it, and it really
01:33:21.880reverted to only listening mode. Ask yourself how this wound up in the Daily Mail. Who wanted us to
01:33:28.160know that? Could it be Ryan? Honestly. They report that at the gala, she made a point of going up to
01:33:35.700people she hadn't seen in a while. Really friendly with Beyonce, Rihanna, and Heidi Klum. The lawsuit
01:33:42.080turned her into somewhat of a pariah, they report, especially when they learned that Taylor Swift
01:33:47.380had cooled on her. The feeling is the event was her way of signaling. She's back in the fold.
01:33:53.100She seemed genuinely relieved last night. Great. I hope you are. It's over. This piece is over.
01:33:59.380Now you have only to rescue your reputation from the gutter. The only way I see for you
01:34:05.140is having your husband produce your next movie. There's just no way the next movie won't either
01:34:10.600be produced by him or a favor to him because there's no audience for Blake Lively. There are
01:34:16.620like 10 woke women on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, and that's it. You can't really have1.00
01:34:22.220a movie career based on that. So I hope you enjoyed the Met Gala. It's probably your last
01:34:27.080time for a while of feeling adored. By the way, they also report that her brand deals were very
01:34:33.520nervous with this whole thing when the PR hits were being, you know, suffered by Blake. Everyone
01:34:40.200was like, she's going to have to fix this. People are turning on her. She's got a course correct.0.95
01:34:44.060We've been spooked by her. She tried to blame that all on Justin, but it was really her own doing.
01:34:49.740Okay, J.P. Morgan. There's an update in this bizarre case that we've all been covering.
01:34:54.480If you haven't seen last Thursday's episode with Adam Carolla, please go back.
01:34:59.020As I mentioned to you yesterday, we learned that he produced two allegedly independent affidavits from friends who claim to have seen this J.P. Morgan exec, Lorna.
01:35:14.060flirt with him. One claimed he saw her come out in the man's apartment naked and suggest that they
01:35:20.280have a threesome together. This is all strongly, strongly denied by Lorna Hajdini, the person
01:35:26.740being blamed for this man's weird problems, and by J.P. Morgan. Now we've learned two things today,
01:35:33.000that for a time, prosecutors obviously, at this plaintiff's request, had opened a criminal
01:35:38.700investigation into these allegations, but guess what? They declined to pursue any charges due to
01:35:45.620a lack of evidence. I'm sorry, people, but if he had all these nasty voicemails and these
01:35:53.140threatening text messages and two independent eyewitnesses who are totally credible who backed
01:35:58.840him up, she came out naked and wanted a threesome, and I saw her fondling him in a way that made him
01:36:04.040uncomfortable, they'd be interested in this. J.P. Morgan would have been interested in this0.94
01:36:09.940and the police would have been interested in this. I don't know what's wrong with this gentleman,
01:36:14.360but it's something. I told you yesterday that we learned via the New York Post that he said his
01:36:21.440father had died and he took a three-month bereavement leave from J.P. Morgan, which was
01:36:26.400a lie. His father is alive and well. So clearly this is a serial fabulist and we have only to
01:36:33.080determine which portions of his tale are untrue. Is it all? Is it 100%? Did they have a relationship
01:36:41.880or an interlude that he blew up into this massive sexual harassment campaign? Is there a world in
01:36:49.440which it's all true? And JP Morgan just decided to look the other way and so did the cops because
01:36:55.280he's claiming she roofied him and then gave him Viagra so that he could perform sexually and then0.99
01:37:01.780raped him. Using that word, that would be rape. If she had sex with him while he was roofied by1.00
01:37:08.140her, that would be rape. Clearly, the NYPD did not buy it, and nor do I. They now have to admit,0.92
01:37:17.760the lawyer tried to tell the Daily Mail, oh, as far as we know, that investigation is still open.
01:37:22.260And then when the DA's office was asked, they made clear the inquiry was closed after they found
01:37:29.420no evidence of wrongdoing. The Daily Mail is reporting, and even the lawyer had to come back
01:37:34.980and admit that is true. Now, today, just as we come to air, the Wall Street Journal adds to the
01:37:41.780reporting that JPMorgan Chase did offer this plaintiff, Chirayu Rana, $1 million to settle
01:37:51.540sexual assault and harassment claims brought by this man before he actually filed the lawsuit.
01:37:58.100Now, I'm sure you at home are thinking that's a big old chunk of change for somebody who didn't do anything, but I would urge you to remember this is not like suing the Megyn Kelly show. We don't have millions to spare, but JP Morgan does.
01:38:11.540And so to them, the value of like nuisance value to make this nutcase go away and to preserve the reputation of what's by all account a very respected, valued senior person at their bank, this Lorna Hajdini, that's really not a big deal.