The Megyn Kelly Show - Kelce and Swift Super Bowl ＂Overload,＂ and Left's Lies about Biden Report, with Victor Davis Hanson and ＂Crain & Company＂

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.260 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:00:16.540 So, did you watch the big game?

00:00:18.640 As expected, the Taylor Swift and Travis Kelty romance, Kelsey, was on full display.

00:00:24.440 But what happened on the sidelines with Kelsey is also making big headlines.

00:00:28.460 That behavior was terrible. I'm sorry.

00:00:31.160 The fact that he didn't apologize for body slamming his coach, who was 65 years old, is wrong.

00:00:37.080 I mean, you couldn't musterate, that was terrible. I'm sorry.

00:00:40.880 I had a lot of testosterone raging through me like any... No! Anyway, okay.

00:00:45.880 Many folks' favorite thing about the Super Bowl, the commercials, largely today proving to be a flop.

00:00:51.400 There's not like a ton of buzz around one, and there are reasons for that. I'll get to it.

00:00:55.200 And there was even a little bit of politics sprinkled in.

00:00:58.460 Joe Biden, he did not do an interview, but he did have a bizarre message for Americans.

00:01:04.320 And RFKJ today is apologizing for an ad that his Super PAC aired, which I actually really enjoyed.

00:01:12.080 Joining me now, Blaine Crane, Jake Crane, and David Cohn, hosts of The Daily Wire's sports show, Crane & Company.

00:01:20.160 Guys, welcome to the show.

00:01:21.100 Thanks so much for having us.

00:01:23.780 We're excited to be here.

00:01:25.840 Sure, cool.

00:01:26.540 So, all right.

00:01:27.240 I confess I was disappointed the Chiefs won.

00:01:29.720 I wanted the 49ers just kind of over the Chiefs.

00:01:32.900 I'm over their drama, and I'm not really a Travis Kelsey fan, and I'm kind of mad at Taylor Swift still, because she went to that Palestinian fundraiser.

00:01:40.420 And it was ridiculous, not a word for the, you know, Israelis.

00:01:44.520 Okay, anyway, I digress.

00:01:45.560 So, it wasn't to be.

00:01:48.360 They won in what turned out to be an exciting game, kind of snoozy in the beginning.

00:01:52.100 And I guess I'll just start with what I thought was the most controversial moment, which was when Travis Kelsey body slammed and yelled at his coach, Andy Reid.

00:02:01.360 We'll show you the video.

00:02:02.100 Here he goes.

00:02:03.880 He bumps into him.

00:02:05.580 You can see Andy Reid struggled to stay on his feet.

00:02:07.520 And he's screaming at him because they had the lip readers out there trying to tell us what was happening, and they claimed he was mad that he wasn't in on a pivotal play.

00:02:16.500 So, you tell me whether this is – I'm not a football person or even a sports person.

00:02:19.680 Just as a human, I was like, it's bad.

00:02:23.400 What was your take as sports guys on just, you know, how bad?

00:02:26.820 What level of breach was that?

00:02:28.940 Well, look, the way the NFL kind of handles the player-coach relationships is a lot different than the way the college game is.

00:02:35.320 I mean, a lot of times in professional sports, the players are making more than the coaches.

00:02:39.120 So, there's not as much yelling coach to player.

00:02:41.800 It's kind of more of a friendly relationship.

00:02:43.740 Here's my thing.

00:02:44.320 Guys get competitive on the sidelines all the time.

00:02:46.460 I mean, we've seen Tom Brady yell at Josh McDaniel.

00:02:49.560 We've seen Patrick Mahomes go off.

00:02:51.840 My thing is when you start physically touching somebody, then it becomes different.

00:02:56.300 You know, when I coached, we always had a rule is that I was never going to put my hands on you,

00:03:00.360 and you were never going to put your hands on me because that takes it to a new level.

00:03:03.740 I get you're frustrated.

00:03:04.860 We've all been there.

00:03:05.720 We've been on sidelines.

00:03:07.020 I've been as mad as anybody in the world.

00:03:09.100 But the minute you start physically touching somebody, and we're not talking about, you know, similar-age people.

00:03:14.460 I mean, Andy Reid's a big guy, but let's be honest.

00:03:16.820 I mean, he's getting up there in age, and Travis Kelsey, if he really wanted to,

00:03:20.040 he'd make him look like Mr. Potato Head, that he'd be picking up his arms and legs and nose and eyebrows and stuff off the sidelines.

00:03:25.020 So, you know, David, the physical part to me is where it kind of crawls.

00:03:28.140 Yeah, that's interesting.

00:03:29.160 I'll tell you this, Megan.

00:03:30.140 No one was more excited that Travis Kelsey behaved like that than Andy Reid.

00:03:35.000 Now, if these were 18-year-old kids and you had a player who's never performed, you would be right on the money,

00:03:40.060 and it would be an extreme sign of disrespect.

00:03:42.340 What we're talking about here in Travis Kelsey, and you can say whatever you want about his politics or being in Pfizer commercials.

00:03:48.380 We all have our problems, right, with those sorts of things.

00:03:50.820 But he will go down, I think, now as the greatest tight end to ever play the game.

00:03:54.520 And the Chiefs in the first half of this ballgame underperformed.

00:03:58.080 You want your best player to be that emotional about not being in the game in the most pivotal moments.

00:04:03.760 And I guarantee you what you saw there was just a microcosm of what happened in the halftime.

00:04:08.980 Yeah, see, I disagree with that.

00:04:10.300 I don't think at any level you should put your hands or bump into any coach, whether that's high school, college, or the NFL.

00:04:17.020 It's a terrible look for Travis Kelsey.

00:04:19.000 And it kind of reminded me of this.

00:04:20.000 I kind of felt like Andy Reid when I'm kind of watching the NFL football game when I'm getting pushed Pfizer.

00:04:26.040 I'm getting pushed to Black National Anthem.

00:04:28.100 I'm getting pushed to all these woke things.

00:04:29.660 I'm Andy Reid sitting there just trying to watch an NFL football game.

00:04:33.160 So I will say this.

00:04:34.020 It's a bad look for Travis Kelsey.

00:04:35.580 I want you to get emotional.

00:04:37.140 I want you to care, right?

00:04:38.460 And he does.

00:04:39.180 But you should never, under any circumstance, bump into or touch a coach or a player on a football team.

00:04:45.880 I agree.

00:04:46.520 And just because the coach had enough sort of dignity and class to not make a big thing of it after the fact, once he'd won the Super Bowl,

00:04:53.840 doesn't mean the rest of us should be countenancing that kind of behavior at all.

00:04:58.120 You just don't, like, you don't, Travis Kelsey's huge.

00:05:00.540 He's got his pads on.

00:05:01.420 He's got his helmet on.

00:05:02.220 Well, I don't know if he had his helmet on that thing, but he's a huge guy.

00:05:04.900 He's got his pads on.

00:05:05.760 He's like, there's no excuse.

00:05:07.220 Keep your hands to yourself.

00:05:08.080 But I have to say, not to make it all about Travis Kelsey, but that's what the media has been doing, so why not jump right in?

00:05:14.180 To me, the guy seems kind of like an asshole.

00:05:16.760 Like, last year we were watching when they played against the Eagles.

00:05:20.420 That was my husband's team.

00:05:22.060 And he was kind of a jerk.

00:05:23.660 He won the Super Bowl.

00:05:24.900 He didn't have a moment of grace.

00:05:26.520 He kind of got on everybody for not predicting it.

00:05:29.080 I actually had my team pull it because I'm like, I don't even watch football.

00:05:32.140 Why am I having a negative reaction to this guy?

00:05:34.860 And I forgot about this moment, which was implanted in my head, in part by Doug's reinforcement.

00:05:39.880 Watch.

00:05:40.140 Man, one of y'all said the Chiefs were going to take it home this year.

00:05:45.140 Not a single one.

00:05:46.900 Feel that.

00:05:48.140 Feel it.

00:05:48.860 And on top of that, next time the Chiefs say something, put some respect on our name.

00:05:52.260 We had an unbelievable run, and man, it feels good.

00:05:54.520 Not man, one of y'all said the Chiefs were going to win it.

00:05:58.220 And look at us now.

00:06:01.520 Okay.

00:06:02.160 So that's last year.

00:06:03.300 Then he bumps the coach.

00:06:04.500 And then we get to this year, where he, I don't know that he sounded like a jerk, but

00:06:09.560 he didn't exactly sound like a Mensa scholar either.

00:06:14.600 Celebrating.

00:06:15.200 It's fine.

00:06:15.940 It doesn't have to be.

00:06:16.800 I'm just noting.

00:06:18.080 Here he was celebrating after the big win.

00:06:25.020 Yo, hear this?

00:06:26.580 We've been fighting for all right all day.

00:06:28.580 How about a little Viva La Vegas?

00:06:31.780 Viva La Vegas!

00:06:36.300 Viva!

00:06:38.020 Viva!

00:06:39.260 La Vegas!

00:06:45.060 Hey, Elvis never had it better than that right there.

00:06:48.720 Let me tell you.

00:06:50.900 And lots of you got to fight for your right to part.

00:06:53.680 Okay, fine.

00:06:54.080 He's having a good time.

00:06:54.880 Maybe that last one didn't meet the bell.

00:06:56.580 But what do you guys make of him?

00:06:58.300 And am I missing something?

00:06:59.400 Well, you know, look, we kind of hear this in dating, too.

00:07:03.660 You know, sometimes nice guys finish last.

00:07:05.720 And when you've won as much as the Chiefs have, I mean, we see this in any dynastical

00:07:10.240 run.

00:07:10.820 Tom Brady would invent a chip on his shoulder.

00:07:13.340 We see it in college football all the time.

00:07:15.020 Nick Saban's the greatest college football coach of all time.

00:07:17.720 Yet every year, he acted like everybody thought Alabama was going to go seven and five.

00:07:22.080 You got to find, I mean, Michael Jordan, right?

00:07:24.520 Inventing competition.

00:07:25.940 Inventing adversity.

00:07:26.860 You want a little bit of that from your leaders.

00:07:29.680 Now, is Travis a little bit brash the way he goes about things?

00:07:33.360 He really, it's funny because when you look at his older brother, Jason Kelsey, the Hall

00:07:37.500 of Fame center, who's now retired, they're totally different, right?

00:07:40.760 You can tell one's the older brother and one's the younger brother.

00:07:43.960 But I mean, when you win this much, you got to kind of sometimes manufacture some adversity

00:07:48.640 and coaches help fuel that, too.

00:07:50.800 Nobody believes in this this year.

00:07:52.160 Yes, he had to manage it because, because, Jake, he wasn't getting enough attention.

00:07:55.820 That's the problem with Travis Kelsey.

00:07:57.300 He needed, he wasn't getting enough attention.

00:08:00.760 Come on.

00:08:01.300 If there's ever a year to do that this year, it was for Travis Kelsey.

00:08:05.640 It was this year because no one thought the Chiefs during the regular season.

00:08:08.540 Yeah.

00:08:08.720 No one thought that the last two years, everybody was picking the Chiefs, especially with Tyree

00:08:13.420 Kill.

00:08:13.660 So I'm not surprised by this, but you do have to manufacture adversity.

00:08:17.660 But it was already past that, right?

00:08:19.800 If you're giving.

00:08:20.500 He was already the center of literally every article everywhere because of his girlfriend.

00:08:24.800 Who didn't pick you and why?

00:08:26.760 And look, I know we're going to talk about this sooner or later, but why am I seeing Taylor

00:08:29.960 Swift during a Travis Kelsey speech?

00:08:31.660 Can it just be Travis Kelsey?

00:08:32.840 Why did I see Taylor Swift 11 times during the Super Bowl?

00:08:35.800 And wait, and Blaine, not just that.

00:08:38.300 Why do we have to cut to Taylor Swift when Travis Kelsey hadn't done anything?

00:08:42.200 He wasn't even his play.

00:08:45.320 Anything at all.

00:08:46.160 It doesn't matter what it is.

00:08:47.260 It could be a penalty.

00:08:48.140 It could be a false start.

00:08:49.080 It could be a pass.

00:08:49.720 It could be a run.

00:08:50.520 They're going to find a way to get Taylor Swift on camera.

00:08:53.760 And look, it sucks that they won.

00:08:55.140 I'm just glad that it's over.

00:08:56.620 Yeah.

00:08:56.940 You know, Megan, the Super Bowl has become a corporate event, right?

00:09:00.700 By design to get non-football eyes on the game.

00:09:04.020 So you have elaborate halftime performances, high dollar commercials.

00:09:07.300 But obviously Taylor Swift's presence is just going to exacerbate that and start

00:09:12.120 athletes dating pop singers.

00:09:14.380 That's a tale as old as time.

00:09:16.020 But for us, you know, we're football guys.

00:09:18.000 So when you get 22 players out there, 11 guys trying to score and 11 trying to stop

00:09:22.580 them, our mind immediately goes to scheme and design and matchups and say whatever you

00:09:27.860 will about Travis Kelsey off the field.

00:09:30.460 He is one of the greatest tight ends to ever play the game.

00:09:32.920 And when you see the relationship that he has with Patrick Mahomes, one of a generational

00:09:37.420 talent at quarterback, and then one of the best play callers we've ever seen in Andy

00:09:40.960 Reid, you know, that is why we're seeing this, this run that the Chiefs have been able

00:09:44.960 to put together.

00:09:45.740 And so the question now becomes how much longer will he play?

00:09:50.620 You know, how much longer?

00:09:51.820 I don't care about that, but, but I do have three actual football related questions for

00:09:57.740 you guys.

00:09:58.100 Um, things that I don't totally understand that I'm interested in, first of all, on

00:10:02.500 the interesting plays, you got to give it to the 49ers for some of those, what do you

00:10:06.260 call them?

00:10:06.700 The laterals, the lateral passes, that was cool.

00:10:10.740 I appreciated that.

00:10:11.920 That was kind of snazzy and exciting.

00:10:13.500 Second of all, that kicker for the 49ers was like breaking records left and right with

00:10:18.200 those long, long field goals.

00:10:19.940 But that one extra point cost them the game really, because they would have won in regular

00:10:24.260 time without overtime, if he had gotten that extra point, which is almost assumed in football

00:10:29.200 that you're going to get.

00:10:30.260 So that one guy blocked it from the Kansas city chiefs with his hand.

00:10:34.400 I did watch the game and good on him, but was there a problem in that kick?

00:10:38.700 Should it have been so high that it's not blockable?

00:10:41.620 And are people talking about that bad kick today?

00:10:44.800 Yeah, I thought the kick was a little bit low.

00:10:46.640 It was a shorter field goal.

00:10:47.840 So it wasn't like the longer ones where you got to kind of hit like the low liner to get it

00:10:51.620 there to finally get it up, you go back and watch one of the chiefs field goals that they

00:10:54.760 hit the 55 yarder.

00:10:56.300 I believe it went through two guys' hands that could have blocked it.

00:10:59.620 So I thought Jake could have got the kick up.

00:11:01.600 The protection wasn't great.

00:11:02.900 As far as the trick plays, I mean, look, it's to quote the water voice, the bourbon bowl,

00:11:06.580 man, you can't hold anything back.

00:11:07.900 You were going to empty the bag on both sides, but I don't blame Jake Moody for losing the

00:11:12.780 game.

00:11:13.120 I think the drop punt hurt him worse.

00:11:15.640 That was my third question.

00:11:17.560 So can you explain that?

00:11:18.580 That I didn't understand, but I did see that the 49ers guy dropped a punt or did something

00:11:23.960 with a ball.

00:11:25.040 He shouldn't have touched it.

00:11:26.380 But then they said he had to touch it because the ball had hit another one of his fellow

00:11:29.900 players.

00:11:30.820 So he was being unfairly blamed for doing the wrong thing.

00:11:34.940 Yeah.

00:11:35.060 So technically, it's not even a muff punt or a drop punt.

00:11:38.040 It hit the 49ers player in the foot, in the ankle.

00:11:41.500 So if the team who's receiving the ball, if it touches one of your players, the ball is

00:11:46.320 live now.

00:11:47.040 So anybody can recover.

00:11:48.500 It's a fumble.

00:11:49.480 So the best thing that returner could have done, if we are from a coaching teaching

00:11:53.200 standpoint, if that does happen, you immediately fall on the football.

00:11:57.640 You don't try to pick it up and run with it.

00:11:59.680 So if it touches your own player and you're receiving it, it's a live ball.

00:12:02.760 The other team can recover.

00:12:04.500 Okay.

00:12:05.120 What'd you guys think of the halftime show?

00:12:06.780 Usher?

00:12:08.040 I loved it.

00:12:08.880 Look, I feel like if you didn't like illegally download one of those songs on like LimeWire when

00:12:13.600 you were growing up, like, I don't want to hear your opinion on the halftime show.

00:12:16.560 I mean, it was literally like, I mean, I'm watching Ludacris dressed up like White Goodman

00:12:20.260 from Hodgeball.

00:12:21.300 I'm watching Usher.

00:12:22.580 I'm watching Alicia Keys.

00:12:24.240 But I will always say that, Megan, I feel like Creed should do every halftime of the

00:12:28.020 Super Bowl.

00:12:28.640 Either Creed.

00:12:29.220 Scott Stapp can't sing anymore.

00:12:31.320 But I thought it was pretty good.

00:12:32.200 Either Creed or bring back country music to the halftime show.

00:12:34.860 That's what I'd love.

00:12:35.320 Can't go wrong with Stapleton, that's for sure.

00:12:36.780 This reminds me, Usher kind of reminded me of Terry Crews from White Chicks with his

00:12:40.060 shirt off.

00:12:40.520 The whistle.

00:12:40.960 When the whistle.

00:12:43.060 I love Terry Crews.

00:12:44.260 It's a 40-year-old guy trying to live his life up a little bit.

00:12:47.140 But the songs.

00:12:48.380 It just brought back the middle school dance vibe from your boy.

00:12:51.560 Back when America was good.

00:12:54.280 It was good.

00:12:54.920 You can listen to this music and it wasn't so complicated.

00:12:57.440 All this wokeness, all this crap that's in it now.

00:13:00.200 Back in the day, Usher, Alicia Keys, Ludacris.

00:13:04.580 Come on now.

00:13:06.140 No, I'm not going to lie.

00:13:07.600 I did not.

00:13:08.560 It didn't resonate with me.

00:13:10.080 I like the last song, which I was familiar with.

00:13:12.180 I love it from the movie Hitch.

00:13:14.060 You know, you don't even know.

00:13:14.980 Yeah.

00:13:15.860 I love that song.

00:13:17.300 That was good.

00:13:19.580 And Usher's an amazing dancer and obviously a talented guy.

00:13:22.660 It just wasn't my.

00:13:23.580 I didn't love the music.

00:13:24.520 And I'm still mad at Alicia Keys, too, because she definitely wore pro-Palestinian gear right

00:13:29.040 after the Israeli attack and said she wanted to take up paragliding.

00:13:31.980 Hello.

00:13:32.640 I'm watching you.

00:13:33.520 I know what you said and did.

00:13:34.900 OK, but that's this is just my lens that I'm too in the news.

00:13:39.200 So that's number two.

00:13:42.580 However, kudos to Usher for not showing me any vagina for the entire Super Bowl halftime

00:13:51.000 show.

00:13:51.460 That's a that's progress.

00:13:52.580 Unlike with J-Lo and Shakira.

00:13:55.540 Well, the nipple bet did hit.

00:13:57.220 There was a bet out there.

00:13:58.380 Well, he took his shirt off.

00:14:00.780 Took his shirt off.

00:14:01.560 Right.

00:14:01.860 There you go.

00:14:02.540 There's a bet out there that will usher show a nipple.

00:14:05.460 It was going off.

00:14:05.980 He freed the nipple?

00:14:07.380 Yeah.

00:14:07.760 He freed both of them.

00:14:08.360 Yeah, it's like, you know, societal standards.

00:14:10.740 That's OK.

00:14:11.160 Freeing the male nipple.

00:14:12.420 Let's not pretend it's not the same as seeing that.

00:14:14.340 I saw Shakira's badge.

00:14:16.300 Yeah.

00:14:16.560 If I was the usher, I'd take my shirt off at halftime, too.

00:14:19.840 Yes, it's it's I mean, if I look like that, sure, I'd want everybody to see it.

00:14:23.180 So I thought it was there was actually a funny moment to me early on in his halftime show

00:14:28.160 where it was clear he did the Michael Jackson Jackson crotch grab.

00:14:32.280 Yeah.

00:14:32.640 Tell just from like the gyration above the waist and and CBS clearly cut up like they cut the shot

00:14:38.360 from the full body to just the top body.

00:14:41.280 So you couldn't see it.

00:14:42.000 I was like, that's interesting that that is now too much.

00:14:44.860 It was like the Ed Sullivan days with the Beatles or with Elvis, not the Beatles with it, with Elvis.

00:14:49.460 Anyway, I appreciate them keeping it relatively clean as I have young ones at home who just want to watch football.

00:14:54.300 They don't see badge.

00:14:55.740 They don't really need to see crotch grabs either.

00:14:57.720 So thumbs up on that.

00:14:59.760 Let's talk about the ads.

00:15:00.800 Did you guys have a favorite?

00:15:03.660 I think Super Bowl has gotten so bad.

00:15:07.320 Everybody's afraid to offend anybody.

00:15:10.280 You can't make it.

00:15:10.980 Yes.

00:15:11.900 The one I like, though, I did like the Christopher Walken one because it lets me do my Christopher

00:15:16.620 Walken impression, which obviously, which you're interested in a no end.

00:15:20.240 Let's show a little bit of that.

00:15:21.380 It was for BMW.

00:15:22.380 Here's a bit.

00:15:24.000 Nice ride.

00:15:24.940 It's the real deal.

00:15:26.540 100% electric.

00:15:28.540 It's the real deal.

00:15:31.960 Yeah.

00:15:34.060 Thank you.

00:15:34.660 Of course, enjoy your coffee.

00:15:38.180 Careful, it's hot.

00:15:39.320 Thanks.

00:15:39.980 Your dog's so cute.

00:15:41.540 Yeah.

00:15:42.520 Ooh, so adorable.

00:15:43.780 Wow.

00:15:44.340 Right.

00:15:44.780 We both know it's the man who makes the club.

00:15:48.080 Does this table work for you?

00:15:50.340 Yeah.

00:15:51.520 Yeah.

00:15:52.580 Did someone say yeah?

00:15:56.080 Don't you got somewhere to be?

00:15:58.560 Yeah.

00:16:01.460 That was great.

00:16:02.560 I'm with you.

00:16:03.240 That was my favorite.

00:16:04.660 I thought it was the best.

00:16:05.660 It's wild.

00:16:06.700 Yeah.

00:16:07.240 Here we go.

00:16:07.760 That's pretty good.

00:16:08.320 I'm a Vince Vaughn fan, too.

00:16:09.540 So when Vince Vaughn and Tom Brady got in the same commercial, I certainly paid attention

00:16:13.220 to that one.

00:16:13.680 But I think most of these brands these days, they just think, you know what?

00:16:16.640 The safest thing we can do is put a celebrity in our spot.

00:16:19.880 And that way, we can get away with having to actually come up with anything creative.

00:16:24.940 I mean, I remember years ago, the commercials were simple.

00:16:27.440 And that's what made them funny.

00:16:28.560 Nothing seems organic.

00:16:29.740 Nothing seems true.

00:16:30.720 Nothing seems actual funny.

00:16:32.020 It doesn't matter how many celebrities you put in there.

00:16:34.540 One, Bud Light, I'm not going to forget.

00:16:36.280 Jonah Hill, I remember Superbad.

00:16:37.780 People don't forget.

00:16:38.820 You put whoever you want in there.

00:16:40.400 We still know what you did.

00:16:41.940 And the only funny thing right now, because people are scared to be funny because it'd be

00:16:46.520 canceled or politically incorrect.

00:16:48.300 I mean, the last couple of years, there's got to be lady ballers, right?

00:16:51.200 Right.

00:16:51.560 I mean, the only funny thing.

00:16:52.820 Yes, you guys are the stars.

00:16:54.400 It's lady ballers.

00:16:55.020 Lady ballers.

00:16:55.860 It was amazing.

00:16:56.520 We should have done a Super Bowl commercial.

00:16:58.180 We should have done a Super Bowl commercial.

00:16:59.800 That would have been a hit.

00:17:00.340 So you're right.

00:17:01.980 Because remember, what was the one?

00:17:04.100 Was it Bob's Big Boy that used to have the really sexy girls?

00:17:08.020 And like Jenny McCarthy, I think, was in one of them.

00:17:11.820 They used to pick like amazingly beautiful women.

00:17:14.660 And at the end, you were like, what did they advertise again?

00:17:17.080 But it was always like a, I think it was Bob's Big Boy.

00:17:19.560 Somebody will check me on it.

00:17:20.800 My favorite were like, I don't know if y'all remember these, but the Doritos.

00:17:24.160 The Doritos Super Bowl commercials were my favorite.

00:17:27.740 And every one of them was just so good.

00:17:30.380 And they didn't want to make me go buy Doritos.

00:17:32.560 It was just funny.

00:17:33.680 It was funny.

00:17:34.420 It didn't rub me the wrong way.

00:17:36.040 Yes, and it makes you bond with the brand when they give you a laugh or they make you,

00:17:39.380 you know, it's something provocative.

00:17:40.760 They show you the sexy girl.

00:17:41.940 We're not past the point where we can do that.

00:17:43.900 None of that.

00:17:44.600 It was all like, oh, we're very safe.

00:17:46.340 We're very safe.

00:17:47.680 I'll say something about the Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, J-Lo, Tom Brady ad.

00:17:52.820 Ben Affleck hates Republicans.

00:17:57.660 He hates anybody who's right of center.

00:17:59.000 He said he won't act in a film across from Republicans.

00:18:02.900 And yet I have to tell you, I looked at the ad.

00:18:05.140 I was amused by it.

00:18:06.040 I could enjoy it.

00:18:06.800 And I will suggest to you, gentlemen, this is one of the fundamental differences between

00:18:11.100 people on the right and people on the left.

00:18:13.240 People on the right can look at people on the left who they know hate their damn guts

00:18:17.840 and still be like, okay, you know, I like the art or I like the song and I can, the commercial

00:18:22.580 was funny.

00:18:23.140 And people on the left are like, what's that person from the right doing here?

00:18:27.760 Why is he on the screen?

00:18:30.120 Cancelled.

00:18:30.640 I'll show the audience some of the ad.

00:18:32.700 See how they feel in SOT 10.

00:18:35.340 The Boston Massacre.

00:18:37.860 The dumb kings.

00:18:40.000 Touchdown Tommy on them keys.

00:18:42.140 Play a coach.

00:18:43.020 Got it.

00:18:43.740 I'm open.

00:18:44.500 And need no introduction, my partner.

00:18:46.540 Sometimes it's really hard to be your friend.

00:18:48.520 You said you were going to support me.

00:18:49.600 Dunk kings.

00:18:50.520 Don't, don't go right in my heart.

00:18:52.800 Why you dunking me, girl?

00:18:53.980 Why you dunking me?

00:18:54.780 Dunk kings.

00:18:56.200 My heart.

00:18:57.980 How do you like them donuts?

00:19:00.060 I'm so sorry.

00:19:00.620 You had to see it, but I forgive you.

00:19:02.660 Lay us on the track.

00:19:03.860 Are we going to be on the album?

00:19:05.360 We talked about this.

00:19:07.960 Let's go.

00:19:09.800 You're blinded by them pinstripes.

00:19:11.800 Wrap it up.

00:19:12.180 There goes Babe Ruth.

00:19:13.380 Tom, you can stay.

00:19:15.080 You remember when I told you I'd do anything for you?

00:19:17.540 This is anything.

00:19:19.940 Lame.

00:19:20.460 Not funny.

00:19:21.280 I thought it was cute.

00:19:23.240 You didn't like it?

00:19:23.960 Putting all these celebrities in there, again, it's just like a simple idea back to his Doritos

00:19:28.560 point could have gone a lot further for me.

00:19:31.780 Here's what, I'll tell you what I liked about it.

00:19:33.740 I love the friendship between Ben Affleck and Matt Damon.

00:19:36.380 Um, it reminds me of Good Will Hunting and that any stories about friendship tend to

00:19:41.880 resonate.

00:19:42.580 I like the fact that they kind of played on the JLo Ben Affleck marriage, you know, like

00:19:46.960 she's embarrassed of him, which it was, they kind of did that at the Dunkin Donuts thing

00:19:50.360 last year when he was manning the drive through.

00:19:52.300 And it's fun to see Tom Brady make fun of himself, like sort of this geeky guy doing the, whatever,

00:19:59.340 you know, the turntables.

00:20:00.760 He's so cool.

00:20:01.900 He's won everything.

00:20:02.860 It's fun to seem in a more like, okay, I'm, I'm humble and I'm geeky and I'm playing this

00:20:07.300 geek.

00:20:07.540 I don't, I, so like I, that one for me worked, but you know, back to my point, could you imagine

00:20:12.640 a world in which they aired that with, I don't know, John Voight, there aren't any Republican

00:20:20.400 stars, but like, yeah, Kid Rock, hell no, there'd be calls for a boycott of the product.

00:20:27.980 Yeah.

00:20:28.560 The TV is just all going to shut off across the country, but back to your point, Megan,

00:20:32.420 here's, I believe that people on the right do a better job of being able to compartmentalize

00:20:36.980 the difference between somebody that's, whether they're acting or whether they're singing and

00:20:40.440 kind of keep their political beliefs outside of it.

00:20:42.940 I think on the left, it's more looked at like a religion.

00:20:45.140 So regardless of how good, whatever the content is, whether the song or the movie or the commercial,

00:20:51.020 you can't say it's good or even acknowledge it because somehow that makes you bad.

00:20:54.780 To me, that's the most dangerous part.

00:20:56.300 It's one of the reasons why we started this sports show because we want to keep politics

00:20:59.340 out of sports.

00:21:00.240 Sports is one of the few havens where people should be able to come together when I'm sitting

00:21:03.620 in a stadium and my team scores and I high five the person I don't know next to me.

00:21:07.380 I don't care what they think about immigration or, or, you know, abortion team just scored.

00:21:13.000 So I think one of the reasons our show shows been able to grow the way it has is because

00:21:16.480 when you watch training company outside of men and women's sports, which isn't even political,

00:21:20.340 it's like, it's not political for me to turn my blinker on in the interstate.

00:21:23.040 It's just safety.

00:21:24.300 You can actually hear about sports like back in the day when you watch sports center reruns

00:21:27.900 three times, cause it was all about sports.

00:21:29.940 Now I just turn it on.

00:21:31.040 Everybody tells me how horrible of a person like me and my ancestors are.

00:21:34.080 I think that's a great point.

00:21:35.620 And even like more than even just the compartmentalization is it seems like people who are right of center

00:21:40.880 politically take issue with ideas and people left of center politically take issue with

00:21:45.900 the actual people.

00:21:46.680 So when you're saying like, they hate me as a person, that's true.

00:21:49.540 That's why Matt Damon or, or you said Ben Affleck won't act film across from a person who

00:21:55.900 identifies like this, not someone who thinks a certain way politically.

00:21:59.080 So I think that's an important, man, the worst fat, my bad, the worst fat, man.

00:22:03.840 Yeah, exactly.

00:22:04.600 I'm sick of that nonsense.

00:22:05.380 Now I do want to say I, once again, we were subjected to the so-called black national anthem,

00:22:10.880 lift every voice and sing before the actual national.

00:22:14.060 I am sick of this.

00:22:15.200 It's not necessary.

00:22:16.460 It's to me played in this context.

00:22:18.580 It's divisive.

00:22:19.960 There's one national anthem for all of us, every American, there is no point.

00:22:25.240 And actually it's really a middle finger to the country and to those of us who love each

00:22:29.520 other, irrespective of the skin color, to try to divide us by race when we get to anthems

00:22:33.880 at the Superbowl.

00:22:35.660 Yeah.

00:22:35.860 Well, it's, I mean, literally the song, you want to lift everybody's voices up and you're

00:22:41.000 excluding every other race.

00:22:43.440 It makes no sense to me.

00:22:44.340 I don't even know they've been doing this back since 2020.

00:22:46.900 There's one national anthem.

00:22:48.620 That's it.

00:22:49.240 This is just, what is, what is Matthew McConaughey?

00:22:51.300 This is a floozy.

00:22:52.080 This is a, this is all it is.

00:22:54.320 Didn't we fight like a huge war inside the country so we would stop doing this?

00:22:59.020 So we'd have one national anthem.

00:23:01.040 I, we have, one of the reasons that aliens won't talk to us is because we're this stupid.

00:23:05.820 We think to combat racism, we should look at everything through color.

00:23:09.140 We think to combat, you know, uh, uh, people that are gay, straight, or trans, we should

00:23:14.720 just celebrate one of the three and, and not normalize it.

00:23:18.380 I, I, I just don't know why we do this.

00:23:20.840 Can you imagine?

00:23:21.480 Where's the Hispanic national anthem?

00:23:22.840 Yeah.

00:23:23.140 Where's the Asian national anthem?

00:23:24.620 We brought Reba to Super Bowl to sing the white national anthem.

00:23:27.460 What are we doing?

00:23:28.340 They had a white national anthem.

00:23:29.320 They'd have burned that place down in the first 30 seconds.

00:23:32.620 Jake, did you say one of the reasons aliens won't talk to us is because we're stupid?

00:23:38.400 Because we do stupid stuff.

00:23:39.540 If I was an alien and I was a billion years smarter than what we were, and I'm like, all

00:23:43.420 right, hey guys, let's all watch the Super Bowl.

00:23:45.920 Then we'll make a decision on whether we should talk to them or not.

00:23:48.380 The minute the black national anthem comes on, that's, that's supposed to lift every voice,

00:23:53.220 unless you're any other race in the world, we're just going to sit back up.

00:23:57.260 It's either, it's either that or right when they show Taylor Swift.

00:24:00.340 Yeah.

00:24:00.640 One of the two.

00:24:01.100 One of the, I think from a marketing perspective, the first thing, the first thing we have to

00:24:05.080 do from a marketing perspective is stop calling it the black national anthem.

00:24:08.340 Like never refer to it as that, because that just gives credence to the idea that, oh, there

00:24:12.960 are different national anthems.

00:24:14.100 And then the next logical step to that is Jake's point.

00:24:16.740 Well, okay, well, where's the Hispanic national anthem?

00:24:18.920 Or how about the Asian national anthem?

00:24:20.540 And the NFL has found themselves in this tough spot where they're trying to market to all

00:24:24.200 these demographics and make everyone happy.

00:24:26.340 You're not going to make everyone happy.

00:24:27.500 What do you say?

00:24:27.980 If you want to make everyone happy, do what?

00:24:29.280 I sell ice cream.

00:24:29.640 Sell ice cream.

00:24:30.380 So you're not going to be able to do that.

00:24:31.880 But at least you've seen the NFL take positive steps in some of the bigger issues, which is no

00:24:36.680 players were kneeling for the national anthem yesterday.

00:24:39.760 You saw that.

00:24:40.460 That seems like it was a specific period of time during the Colin Kaepernick age.

00:24:45.380 That is over with for at least the time being.

00:24:47.800 And the numbers and the ratings soared because of that.

00:24:50.580 Yeah, same.

00:24:51.600 I didn't want to see that.

00:24:52.400 And I was glad I didn't have to look at any of the kneeling or all that.

00:24:54.880 The players all came through that little tunnel, which I really thought you needed a strobe

00:24:59.000 warning for.

00:24:59.740 You know how they put the strobe light warnings on different broads?

00:25:01.860 Like, whoa, I don't know what they're trying to do to the players.

00:25:03.840 But and we have to spend two, two minutes talking about two other things.

00:25:08.200 And that's Taylor Swift, which amazingly, we've made it through 25 minutes without really

00:25:12.020 talking about her and that Bud Light thing you referenced.

00:25:15.560 So Taylor Swift, there was there, of course, tons of shots of her.

00:25:19.320 People seem very excited that she she chose to drink a beer, like slam one of those skinny

00:25:23.820 beers with the person sitting next to her.

00:25:26.620 OK, I mean, she's 34 years old.

00:25:28.700 She like she's celebrating.

00:25:29.960 That's that's great.

00:25:30.900 That's like a normal kind of 34 year old woman thing to do.

00:25:34.200 I'm just sick of the over celebration of Taylor being a normal person moments like I don't

00:25:40.420 give a shit what she's doing in the box.

00:25:42.120 I don't want to see her after every single play.

00:25:45.220 You don't show the other players, wives or girlfriends after every play they make.

00:25:50.020 And they've been around with the with the Chiefs a lot longer than Taylor has.

00:25:54.260 I'm sick of it.

00:25:55.600 And the shots of her talking to Roger Goodell.

00:25:57.960 I don't care that he's excited.

00:26:00.600 She's bringing new eyeball.

00:26:01.820 I'm I've had it up to here.

00:26:03.860 She's a good songwriter and a good singer.

00:26:06.520 She's not Jesus.

00:26:08.260 This is how they treat her.

00:26:09.920 And I don't maybe it's just me.

00:26:11.220 I've had it.

00:26:12.740 Well, look, here's the way I look.

00:26:15.300 Number one, I don't trust seeing Taylor Swift to Roger Goodell.

00:26:17.980 That just smells funny.

00:26:19.660 Yeah.

00:26:19.940 Just off the cuff.

00:26:21.020 Here's my problem.

00:26:21.700 Right.

00:26:22.060 Why?

00:26:22.440 Why?

00:26:22.760 What do you think's happening?

00:26:23.500 I think, right, I just don't trust what they're coming up with, because I think Roger Goodell

00:26:28.200 is one of the worst commissioners the NFL has ever had.

00:26:31.180 And I just don't trust what this relationship is going to bring.

00:26:34.720 I've got kind of a theory that it may be a get out to vote push for Joe Biden, which I

00:26:39.020 think is going to happen probably sooner rather than later.

00:26:41.360 But, Megan, when I look at Taylor Swift, here's what I ask myself.

00:26:44.020 I don't have a problem with Taylor Swift dating Travis Kelsey.

00:26:47.140 I don't have a problem with people talking about it.

00:26:48.660 But I wonder if every girl that goes to the Taylor Swift concert, if they would get upset

00:26:53.600 if every 30 seconds they showed on the Jumbotron Travis Kelsey sitting there drinking a Miller

00:26:58.260 Light.

00:26:58.720 I think after a while, people would get upset about that.

00:27:00.940 And, you know, when you look at it kind of from a 30,000 foot view, all these new viewers

00:27:05.980 that got brought in with Taylor Swift, what happens when they break up and the next song

00:27:10.220 is, you know, Travis left and they lose even more people than they brought in.

00:27:15.420 That's what I'm waiting for.

00:27:16.640 That's the part of school they don't tell you about.

00:27:18.240 Well, like, I want to watch the football game.

00:27:21.500 All right.

00:27:21.680 That's why I don't care that you're dating.

00:27:23.800 Congratulations.

00:27:24.780 I'm out here trying to win money.

00:27:26.360 All right.

00:27:27.660 Why are you shoving it down my throat?

00:27:30.520 All right.

00:27:30.720 That's what I like.

00:27:31.480 It's too much.

00:27:32.160 A lot of arguments.

00:27:33.380 Look, I don't care if you're gay.

00:27:34.780 I don't care this and that.

00:27:35.940 Just don't shove it down my throat.

00:27:38.100 They showed her 11 times, 11 times during the Super Bowl.

00:27:41.700 And I'm pretty sure it's over 60 times through the playoffs.

00:27:44.740 It's getting ridiculous.

00:27:45.760 I knew before, even the playoffs started, once all these rumors came out about Travis

00:27:50.400 and Taylor dating, that the Chiefs were going to make it to the Super Bowl because the ratings

00:27:55.600 would be off the charts.

00:27:56.880 I'm pretty sure right now, Taylor Swift has brought the Chiefs in the NFL, almost $500 million

00:28:02.320 in profit.

00:28:03.500 $500 million in Roger Goodell.

00:28:06.360 I get it.

00:28:06.880 But as a football fan, I go back to the Andy Reid reference earlier.

00:28:11.140 I'm just Andy Reid on the sideline.

00:28:12.820 And it's just the cameraman and Taylor Swift as Travis Kelsey screaming at me and bumping

00:28:17.500 into me while I'm trying to watch the game.

00:28:19.760 I guarantee there were conversations had between Roger Goodell and CBS on the appropriate amount

00:28:25.060 of times to cut to her.

00:28:26.920 Just enough to make sure that the Swifties are entertained, but not so much that the rest

00:28:30.880 of us are over it.

00:28:32.940 They really need to take a breath.

00:28:35.160 I just like, look, I saw more of Taylor Swift than I did see of the moms of some of these

00:28:40.600 players who pulled themselves up.

00:28:41.940 Mr. Irrelevant could have seen more of his family.

00:28:44.640 I don't know what ever happened to that, right?

00:28:45.940 I loved his story from the 49ers.

00:28:48.220 It's all about her.

00:28:49.520 They're not even married.

00:28:50.560 Like, I don't remember seeing this much of Giselle when Tom Brady was out.

00:28:55.040 It's just too much.

00:28:57.340 And it's having the opposite effect of the one they intend.

00:29:01.040 It's making me dislike her as opposed to like fall even more in love with Taylor.

00:29:04.940 It's just like Taylor Swift overload.

00:29:07.420 OK, last but not least.

00:29:10.480 Budweiser.

00:29:11.260 So Budweiser comes out and they, you know, whatever.

00:29:16.200 Budweiser used the Clydesdale, which we all love, love the Clydesdales.

00:29:20.820 And Bud Light had something with a genie.

00:29:23.500 Here's a bit.

00:29:24.080 Thought 16.

00:29:27.420 Are you?

00:29:28.220 The Bud Light genie?

00:29:29.420 Yeah.

00:29:29.760 So we get wishes?

00:29:31.100 It's my thing.

00:29:32.080 Gimme.

00:29:32.480 80s metal hair.

00:29:33.420 Yes.

00:29:34.520 Filthy red.

00:29:35.300 So filthy.

00:29:36.500 Invisible.

00:29:37.100 Predictable.

00:29:37.900 Giant bicep.

00:29:38.660 Big one.

00:29:40.000 A sweet ride.

00:29:40.780 Best night ever!

00:29:45.280 What's next?

00:29:46.200 Bud Lights?

00:29:49.220 I wish Peyton Manning was my best friend.

00:29:52.280 How we doing?

00:29:53.180 Hey.

00:29:54.040 Oh, Osmond.

00:29:56.040 Hey.

00:29:57.980 OK.

00:29:58.700 No one's actually doing that anymore because Bud Light is associated.

00:30:01.700 It's a Dylan Mulvaney beer.

00:30:03.040 So those actual guys have been called too fratty.

00:30:05.940 They're by Bud Light and they're not drinking the beer.

00:30:08.340 No matter how many times they want to show us these ads with guys who used to be their customer base drinking their product.

00:30:13.320 That's not what's happening right now.

00:30:14.960 So it's like a suspension of disbelief to watch that ad.

00:30:18.060 They refuse to apologize, you guys.

00:30:21.300 How much money do you think they spent on that ad to avoid apologizing?

00:30:24.940 How much money have they spent on these few conservatives or on Donald Trump at this event that they're going to be sponsoring for him?

00:30:30.760 Because he needs money.

00:30:31.540 He's running for office.

00:30:32.780 To avoid apologizing.

00:30:33.960 Well, here's where I'm at with Bud Light.

00:30:38.680 They've had to spend an inordinate amount of money.

00:30:41.120 I mean, if you look at the stock prices and how much they've lost, they've already lost a ton.

00:30:44.520 I don't care what their CEO or the top of the teepee says.

00:30:48.200 Because every time, I don't care how good the commercial is, every time now that I go out or I go to the store to buy a beer, I cannot bring myself.

00:30:58.000 And I was a Bud Light drinker before the Dylan Mulvaney situation.

00:31:00.980 I cannot get myself to buy one because every time I open one, I feel like I'm looking at Dylan Mulvaney.

00:31:06.480 You can't wash that off.

00:31:08.420 If they were smart, they would have spent a lot less money on the production for the commercial, and it would have been the head of Anheuser-Busch or whoever looking right at the camera and saying,

00:31:17.640 We made a mistake, man.

00:31:19.320 We screwed up.

00:31:20.700 Please forgive us.

00:31:21.880 We messed up with Dylan Mulvaney.

00:31:23.640 That's on us.

00:31:24.800 We take accountability for it.

00:31:26.200 Let us earn back your trust.

00:31:27.500 But that's not what they do.

00:31:28.380 They want to give us Peyton Manning.

00:31:29.600 You want to give us post-along.

00:31:30.940 I just see Dylan Mulvaney every time I open a can of Bud Light.

00:31:34.460 And I'm embarrassed to order it if I go out to a bar because I don't want people who are like,

00:31:38.620 Hey, there's a guy from Peyton Company, a.k.a. Dylan Mulvaney's boy.

00:31:42.000 Bud Light is convinced they can buy their way out of this fiasco.

00:31:45.720 You see the $100 million deal with UFC.

00:31:48.100 You see him partnering with Shane Gillis, and they have Peyton Manning in all these ads.

00:31:51.460 They're convinced that it will just go away, and they cannot have to admit wrongdoing.

00:31:56.200 To your point, Megan, not have to apologize.

00:31:58.420 Whereas that would go so much farther to us, right?

00:32:01.280 Like if they would just acknowledge wrongdoing.

00:32:03.160 I never thought the boycott would be this successful.

00:32:05.800 I never thought that people would actually stay committed to their values and not drink Bud Light.

00:32:10.700 But to Jake's point, when you see these concerts, I mean, people go to these country music and rock concerts.

00:32:15.400 The top shelves of Bud Light are completely filled because people don't want to be seen out drinking the stuff.

00:32:21.500 And they think they can buy their way out of it.

00:32:23.220 I'm still bullish that they're wrong on this.

00:32:25.580 I don't know.

00:32:26.120 They probably can't buy their way out of it, to be honest.

00:32:28.640 With society these days with the attention span of eight seconds, people will probably forget.

00:32:32.820 And you can throw Peyton Manning and all these guys.

00:32:35.300 I mean, as a society, I mean, we're not getting better.

00:32:38.300 We're not getting smarter.

00:32:39.420 Things aren't looking up.

00:32:40.480 So I wouldn't be surprised if you can put $100 million on it in a couple years and be fine.

00:32:45.180 They're not going to come out and apologize.

00:32:46.560 That's how I felt.

00:32:47.320 Why would they?

00:32:48.140 I felt that way at the very beginning of this.

00:32:50.340 I said, this will last two weeks, and it'll be forgotten.

00:32:52.740 The way that I've seen this movement over the last year, I mean, Jake's right.

00:32:55.640 People are embarrassed to drink the stuff.

00:32:58.120 And I just don't know putting a lot of celebrities in.

00:33:00.440 I don't think they're as embarrassed as you think, as many.

00:33:04.060 I don't think the majority.

00:33:05.360 I don't think the majority.

00:33:06.740 No, I think we are.

00:33:07.760 I think we're in the minority.

00:33:09.040 I think majority will let it go, especially when you get in UFC.

00:33:12.400 If you get UFC and you can get back commissioner to get up on stage and tell you to forgive Bud Light, a lot of people will.

00:33:17.800 Well, I mean, it helps when you get $100 million endorsement deal from them or, you know, whatever.

00:33:24.040 They're buying to get their beer in front of their audience.

00:33:27.500 And look, the smart move by Bud Light, but some of us feel betrayed.

00:33:31.620 And some of us feel like this is an endorsement of a whole ideology that we don't believe in.

00:33:35.540 And some of us remember when we look at the Bud Light, they think you're a joke.

00:33:40.940 They think you're too fratty.

00:33:42.680 They don't want you.

00:33:43.880 They're now making fratty ads to try to suggest they never said that.

00:33:48.140 But this woman was high up, and they've never taken responsibility for her disdain or disgust for their customer base.

00:33:56.020 Where's your apology?

00:33:58.200 Come on this show.

00:33:59.520 Go on any show.

00:34:01.000 Have the balls as the CEO to take responsibility for what you did and your top executive said.

00:34:08.760 Until then, it's a no.

00:34:11.140 Okay, all fired up today, Crane and Company, guys.

00:34:13.740 Somewhere in there, there's a win.

00:34:14.720 Somewhere in there, there's a win with forcing Bud Light to do business.

00:34:18.080 Hundreds of millions of dollars with the most masculine sports in the world, football and with UFC.

00:34:23.200 So there is a win in there somewhere.

00:34:24.580 But I agree with you.

00:34:26.060 Without acknowledging wrongdoing and without an apology, to me, it's just empty.

00:34:31.240 Yeah, same.

00:34:32.060 And I don't know.

00:34:32.480 The poor guys at the UFC, I don't know if this is an exclusive deal.

00:34:35.240 But look, if they have no choice other than Bud Light, if they want to have a beer while they're watching UFC fighting,

00:34:40.340 of course they're going to drink it.

00:34:41.380 That doesn't mean they'd be seen walking on the street with one of these things.

00:34:44.880 Most guys I know wouldn't be caught dead drinking a Bud Light right now.

00:34:48.080 The only way they would drink it is if they didn't know it was a Bud Light and it had been poured out of its can into a glass.

00:34:53.760 So it was unidentifiable.

00:34:55.480 You guys are fun.

00:34:56.480 I'm glad to have you on.

00:34:57.480 Please come back.

00:34:58.980 Absolutely.

00:34:59.300 Thank you so much.

00:35:00.380 You really enjoyed it.

00:35:01.280 All right.

00:35:01.960 And you can tune in.

00:35:03.060 Okay.

00:35:03.220 It's called Crane & Company on Monday through Friday at 6.30 a.m. Central on Daily Wire.

00:35:09.440 Wait, do they have to wake up?

00:35:10.720 Put them back up.

00:35:11.900 Do they have to wake up at 6.30 a.m. Central?

00:35:14.180 Is it only a live broadcast or can they download it as a podcast?

00:35:17.960 Here's the cool part, Megan.

00:35:19.200 We're an equal opportunity employer.

00:35:21.000 The best utility outside of fertility is versatility.

00:35:23.460 So we do a live show, 6.30 a.m. to 8 a.m. Central.

00:35:26.780 We have live calls, live chat.

00:35:28.240 But if you can't catch it live, it stays on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Daily Wire, YouTube.

00:35:32.060 Every platform that there is outside of the ones that Elon Musk landed rocket ships on.

00:35:36.940 Okay.

00:35:37.480 Excellent.

00:35:37.900 I'm glad to hear that.

00:35:39.060 I probably won't be tuning in because I'm not a sports person.

00:35:41.460 But when sports veers back into news, please come on and we'll continue our relationship.

00:35:46.640 Yes, man.

00:35:47.000 Excellent.

00:35:47.540 Thank you.

00:35:47.920 Last song on Bud Light.

00:35:49.260 All right, guys.

00:35:49.900 Lots of love.

00:35:50.480 Thanks for being here.

00:35:51.140 Up next, VDH.

00:35:53.460 is on Victor Davis Hanson on the incredible spinmasters at the White House on the devastating

00:35:59.960 events for Joe Biden late last week.

00:36:06.240 Here with you now, Victor Davis Hanson.

00:36:08.700 Victor is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.

00:36:12.940 His new book, set to be released in May, but you can buy it now.

00:36:16.160 Get a pre-order in.

00:36:17.040 That will help him out.

00:36:18.000 It's titled The End of Everything, How Wars Descend Into Annihilation.

00:36:25.360 Victor, thanks for being here.

00:36:26.340 It sounds like a happy book.

00:36:28.140 It's a pick-me-up.

00:36:30.020 Yeah.

00:36:30.960 But I love everything you read, and so does Doug, who's a much more discerning reader

00:36:34.420 than yours truly.

00:36:35.700 Thank you.

00:36:36.360 You just dropped your new column, and first of all, just tell the readers where they can

00:36:41.060 find that, because everyone loves reading VDH.

00:36:43.660 Yeah, you can read it at American Greatness or VictorHanson.com.

00:36:47.860 Okay.

00:36:48.360 And you write, there are only two things that can stop the re-election of Donald Trump.

00:36:54.660 One is the obviously coordinated effort of four prosecutors.

00:36:59.880 The other is Trump himself.

00:37:02.220 So you've got three key things that Donald Trump must do between now and election day

00:37:08.900 to win, and it seems like you've got some questions about whether he's doing the things.

00:37:15.240 So walk us through the things.

00:37:17.180 It's basically what people have said, Megan.

00:37:20.980 It's the post-Iowa primary speech versus the post-New Hampshire primary speech.

00:37:26.480 In other words, sometimes he's ecumenical, he reaches out, and he knows that he has to

00:37:32.440 get three to five percent more of the popular vote from rhinos and old Reagan Democrats and

00:37:39.020 disaffected Biden voters, because it's going to be 70 percent non-election day voting.

00:37:44.180 It's going to be very hard to authenticate those ballots in 10 or 12 swing states.

00:37:49.600 And then sometimes he, I don't know whether he's trying to troll, but in this case, when

00:37:54.420 he went after Haley's husband, I understand that she's been pretty tough on him, called

00:37:59.040 him basically senile and unfit to be president.

00:38:02.820 But I don't know whether he was channeling rumors of her adultery from way back.

00:38:08.680 I don't know what it was, but he kind of walked into it when he gave an opening and said,

00:38:12.880 you know, when people said, well, I have it, I'll play it.

00:38:16.320 Yeah, go ahead.

00:38:17.000 You better quote it.

00:38:17.960 I don't want to quote it.

00:38:18.860 Yeah, you should quote it because you'll have it exactly.

00:38:22.060 25.

00:38:22.380 Then she comes over to see me at Mar-a-Lago, sir.

00:38:25.740 I will never run against you.

00:38:27.620 She brought her husband.

00:38:28.980 Where's her husband?

00:38:29.760 Oh, he's away.

00:38:30.900 He's away.

00:38:31.600 What happened to her husband?

00:38:33.480 What happened to her husband?

00:38:36.000 Where is he?

00:38:37.240 He's gone.

00:38:39.580 He knew.

00:38:41.040 He knew.

00:38:44.100 And he's currently deployed.

00:38:46.300 And now they're punching back.

00:38:47.460 Yeah, I mean, that didn't work too well.

00:38:49.720 I don't know how many people heard it.

00:38:51.200 But the point is that it disrupts the Biden doom loop, the news news that Biden's in right now.

00:38:59.160 And then when the NATO thing, I know what he was doing.

00:39:02.280 He was trying to tell everybody that only by art of the deal, tough talk, and kind of trolling NATO people,

00:39:09.320 he was able to get them to pay the 2% promised GDP expenditures on defense, and that was very good.

00:39:17.320 And he got about six to eight more nations to do that.

00:39:20.160 But the way it came off that he was, it fed into, he's too soft on Putin, and he's going to get us out of NATO.

00:39:30.340 So for a whole day and a half, everybody-

00:39:31.980 We have that one too.

00:39:33.160 I'll give it to you on the back end of this one too.

00:39:34.780 So this is another thing that's now, Victor's point is he's dominating the news cycle again in a negative way.

00:39:39.720 But Joe Biden was dominating in his own more negative way.

00:39:43.860 And Trump just should have been quiet.

00:39:45.860 But here's what he said on NATO on SOT 28.

00:39:48.800 NATO was busted until I came along.

00:39:51.420 I said, everybody's going to pay.

00:39:52.680 They said, well, if we don't pay, are you still going to protect us?

00:39:56.400 I said, absolutely not.

00:39:57.700 They couldn't believe the answer.

00:39:58.860 One of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, well, sir, if we don't pay and we're attacked by Russia, will you protect us?

00:40:07.620 I said, you didn't pay?

00:40:09.340 You're delinquent?

00:40:10.860 He said, yes.

00:40:12.240 Let's say that happened.

00:40:13.640 No, I would not protect you.

00:40:15.100 In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want.

00:40:18.200 You got to pay.

00:40:18.800 And just a point on that, Victor, not for nothing, but my own brother, who's five years older than I am when I was young and poor and I wanted to borrow money, he had the same motto, Bank of Kelly, you don't pay, you go away.

00:40:31.180 And this is a thing.

00:40:32.600 It's a threat used in negotiations.

00:40:34.380 I understand what Trump was trying to say.

00:40:35.760 It was also retrospective.

00:40:37.220 It wasn't prospective.

00:40:38.840 But now the new headlines are BBC.

00:40:41.360 Trump says he would encourage Russia to attack NATO allies who don't pay.

00:40:44.560 The Atlantic.

00:40:45.340 Trump encourages Putin to attack NATO members.

00:40:47.740 I could keep going.

00:40:49.100 Your point is strategic.

00:40:52.080 Yeah, I know you and I know what he was doing.

00:40:55.120 He was trying to brag to everybody that he used art of the deal, tough talk, and it worked.

00:41:01.260 And that was a value when they invaded Ukraine.

00:41:04.600 But when he says he wouldn't protect them, he knows that that's not his decision unless he wants to break a treaty that we've signed that transcends a particular administration with NATO.

00:41:15.620 But the larger point is that he's in a very good position right now, Megan, because Haley's going nowhere and she's getting more and more desperate and attacking him personally.

00:41:26.500 And I don't know what her strategy is.

00:41:28.520 I think when DeSantis got to that point that he knew that he either had to drop out or get really nasty, he dropped out for future political viability.

00:41:39.080 She's destroying her future political viability.

00:41:41.720 Even if she would win after this turn in her campaign, I don't think the MAGA people would fully support her.

00:41:48.060 So he's in a good position and the Fannie Willis, you know, is falling apart.

00:41:53.480 She's probably going to be either disbarred or indicted or both.

00:41:56.560 And I don't think the next team of prosecutors wants to go down that politicized, weaponized road that she took.

00:42:03.480 Jack Smith's got a lot of problems.

00:42:05.280 He's trying to speed up the calendar in a patently political way, weaponizing the special counsel's office.

00:42:10.860 And then there's another special counsel.

00:42:13.480 There's two potential people to indict.

00:42:16.140 They only indict one.

00:42:17.300 And yet you can argue that Joe Biden might have had as much or more exposure.

00:42:22.000 So, I mean, that's I think that's going to be problematic.

00:42:24.460 And then Alvin Bragg and Leakita James were the weakest of all of them.

00:42:29.480 And so I think he can beat all of that.

00:42:31.920 I really do.

00:42:32.520 But he's going to need this three to five percent because he's never won the popular vote in either 2016 or 2020.

00:42:43.540 And he's going to be this is going to be an election where there's going to be more and more states that are voting non-election day.

00:42:50.620 And that means that the authenticity rate or the rejection rate of the authenticity of the ballots has died, is declined by a magnitude.

00:42:59.460 They used to be four or five percent of ballots rejected.

00:43:01.940 Now they're about three or four percent, 0.3 or four percent in most states.

00:43:07.400 And that makes it very hard to ensure that people who are either here illegally or felons or people, you know, that didn't register, it's very hard.

00:43:18.960 So he needs a margin of error is what I'm trying to say.

00:43:22.640 And he's not going to get it from people.

00:43:25.240 And you know them more than I do.

00:43:26.740 We all know people who say, I love this four years.

00:43:29.860 Biden terrifies me.

00:43:31.200 I want to vote for Trump.

00:43:32.800 But what's this about?

00:43:33.840 He wants to get out of NATO or why did he go out?

00:43:36.220 You know what I mean?

00:43:37.140 And these isolated.

00:43:39.900 It's OK because people forget about it.

00:43:42.700 But after a while, they become cumulative.

00:43:44.780 So two in a 24 hour news cycle.

00:43:47.640 And if he should do the same thing a couple of times more than he's going to lose that that margin.

00:43:53.520 So you're you're on to something because Trump's gift in the 16 campaign was he do or say something controversial or scandal would hit and then he would just do or say something controversial immediately thereafter to change the topic to the new controversy that he wanted us to be talking about.

00:44:11.440 And the media would do it like lemmings.

00:44:14.000 This what happened this weekend was it was Biden's controversy.

00:44:18.040 It was Biden down in the dumps and really getting hammered by the press, even the left wing press.

00:44:23.060 That is a very good time to be quiet.

00:44:25.840 You know, that that's a super smart time to just say nothing.

00:44:29.820 Just stick to the prompter.

00:44:31.540 If they're digging, why stop?

00:44:32.920 You're right, because the NATO thing does matter with maybe not core MAGA, but, you know, more traditional Republicans don't want to hear that.

00:44:39.100 European allies don't want to hear that.

00:44:40.560 The Democrats or the independents who might be thinking about crossing the aisle to vote for him don't want to hear that.

00:44:45.380 And the Nikki Haley thing was totally unnecessary.

00:44:49.640 I realized, listen, I'm tuned in enough to MAGA world to know people are like they're like he's in Djibouti.

00:44:54.620 What's he doing?

00:44:55.220 He's not this isn't like fighting for the country over in, you know, Iraq that it doesn't matter.

00:45:02.300 Military is military.

00:45:03.320 He's active duty.

00:45:04.180 He's deployed.

00:45:05.220 There's zero reason to be raising.

00:45:07.400 Where is he?

00:45:08.040 Like he's not with her because they're in a scandal.

00:45:11.080 He's not with her because he's deployed.

00:45:12.560 He's active duty.

00:45:13.780 Yeah, I think there's another issue.

00:45:15.380 too, is that in 2016, we didn't have the damage we have now.

00:45:21.220 In 2020, we didn't have the damage.

00:45:23.300 We came off four years of Trump's good governance.

00:45:26.220 And now we've got this disaster, whether it's crime or the border or foreign policy or 30 percent higher prices on key staples or this $35 trillion debt.

00:45:38.440 So this this election is existential.

00:45:40.900 I know they say that about every election, but the stakes are much higher and it transcends Trump.

00:45:45.380 And for whether fair or not, good or bad, there's a lot of people who cast their fate with Trump.

00:45:52.840 He represents not just the MAGA people anymore.

00:45:55.600 He's a he's become a symbol of we've got to stop the madness.

00:45:59.400 And he has responsibilities that transcend his base because I you and I know a lot of people.

00:46:04.800 I live in a 95 percent Mexican-American community.

00:46:07.740 I can't believe the people who come up to me every day and say they're thinking about voting for Trump.

00:46:14.960 And I'm on the Stanford campus.

00:46:17.260 I even meet professors that say they're considering voting for Trump.

00:46:20.740 Wow.

00:46:20.860 So he's got a chance to really break up this.

00:46:24.880 He could I guess what I'm saying is that he has a chance to not only lengthen or widen his House margin, he could take the Senate and he could win the popular vote.

00:46:36.280 And if he did that, it would be in this conservative grasp to really undo a lot of bad things and to do a lot of good things.

00:46:43.740 So he's got I think he has a rare opportunity.

00:46:46.840 He's kind of like Reagan was in 1980, but Reagan didn't win the entire Congress, but he could do he could win the House, the Senate and and stop this madness.

00:46:59.680 And yet so he's got responsibilities to, I think, be careful what he says.

00:47:04.320 No, it's a good point.

00:47:05.340 It's a good point.

00:47:06.000 I mean, tough to legislate anything if he gets back in there and he doesn't have the House and the Senate, which is doable.

00:47:10.080 I mean, it's it's it's hard, but it's a possibility for the record.

00:47:13.960 Here's Haley firing back at Trump.

00:47:15.700 So 26, if you mock the service of a combat veteran, you don't deserve a driver's license, let alone being president of the United States.

00:47:26.700 OK, I mean, she's not wrong.

00:47:28.680 You shouldn't mock that.

00:47:29.440 But I mean, he already did this with John McCain that voters didn't hold it against him.

00:47:32.960 Trump can get away with extraordinary things in a way others can't.

00:47:37.900 What else is going to say?

00:47:38.980 We have a minute to break.

00:47:40.440 Go ahead.

00:47:41.020 Thoughts on that.

00:47:42.000 Well, I mean, in the case that what Trump doesn't get and people don't get is John McCain had said that Donald Trump was bringing all the crazies out of the woodwork.

00:47:51.080 He really he was slurring Maggie, call them hobbits.

00:47:54.100 He called them crazies.

00:47:55.400 And Trump was responding to that when he was signing a book.

00:47:57.960 You just they asked him about that.

00:47:59.900 Are you bringing?

00:48:00.900 And he got angry.

00:48:01.720 And Haley, if you look at what she said, she's she's really said, basically, before all this happened, he's senile and he's not fit.

00:48:09.840 So I understand he's getting angry.

00:48:11.760 But Haley is going nowhere.

00:48:13.300 She's not going to win South Carolina.

00:48:15.420 And if she doesn't win that, she's not going to win the primary Tuesday, the big one.

00:48:20.620 And so I don't see what the purpose is.

00:48:23.460 I would just let her flail and flail and flail.

00:48:26.260 She's not getting traction.

00:48:27.660 And all she's doing is hurting her viability, either for a cabinet post or a future run at anything.

00:48:34.100 And the story about the alleged affair has been out there.

00:48:36.900 We actually, on a different matter entirely, had the alleged affair partner on the show.

00:48:41.940 And he said, yeah, you know, I've been pretty open about it.

00:48:44.440 Ancient history up to viewers to decide.

00:48:46.700 Trump's got his own baggage.

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00:49:48.020 Let's talk about the scandal that Trump should have just let percolate over the weekend rather than changing the topic by so many in the media.

00:50:03.480 Because, of course, given the chance, they'd love to change the topic.

00:50:06.280 But it was pretty extraordinary to see even the left wing covering the Biden story and his meltdown last week, you know, with some fervor to the point where people were saying, oh, like the New York Times is some conservative rag now because it was pointing out he's got some serious mental acuity problems, according to special counsel, in ways that seem to entertain the idea as opposed to just dismiss it as the musings of a partisan hack.

00:50:30.780 Which is what they're suggesting special counsel, her is now it's each you are.

00:50:37.300 I'll give you just a flavor of how like they're spinning it.

00:50:41.420 Probably Kamala Harris was their number one ambassador in a fiery retort.

00:50:46.640 She came out on Friday and tried to just really attack the special counsel in ways even the president was not claiming in an effort to defend himself from that report, which said he did mishandle classified documents.

00:51:00.120 But he wasn't going to bring charges against him because he did not believe that a jury would convict because they'd be looking at a, quote, well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory and probably wouldn't couldn't bring themselves to actually say the guy violated the law.

00:51:14.880 Here she was on Friday.

00:51:16.100 It's hot 21.

00:51:16.960 The comments that were made by that prosecutor, gratuitous, inaccurate and inappropriate.

00:51:23.580 The way that the president's demeanor in that report was characterized could not be more wrong on the facts and clearly politically motivated.

00:51:37.340 That when it comes to the role and responsibility of a prosecutor in a situation like that, we should expect that there would be a higher level of integrity than what we saw.

00:51:50.200 OK, so just a couple of things.

00:51:53.300 Not even Joe Biden's claiming that everything in that report or that his characterizations of Joe Biden's memory problems were inaccurate.

00:52:00.180 He's not he did not take issue with the devastating conclusion by special counsel her that Joe Biden could not remember when he was vice president.

00:52:09.200 He did not take issue with that.

00:52:11.640 He did suggest he knew when Bo Biden died, but didn't actually state the date when even when he was defending himself and in and in general has refused to show any proof that this was inaccurate in any way because they could release the transcript.

00:52:28.800 Right now, the White House saying, well, we'll look at it.

00:52:30.180 We'll look at it.

00:52:30.800 Maybe we will.

00:52:31.440 Maybe we won't because there's a lot of classified information in there.

00:52:34.660 Yeah, we know because it's based on his documents he inappropriately kept.

00:52:38.380 But anyway, the question about when your son died or his offerings on not being able to figure it out or when he was vice president, that could be released so far.

00:52:48.100 They haven't done it.

00:52:48.980 And not even Biden has denied it.

00:52:50.700 She's the only one claiming it's inaccurate.

00:52:52.060 So it's an obvious lie.

00:52:53.480 And this mirror of her as politically motivated based on what based on what to tell us more.

00:52:58.240 Just the fact that he's a Republican.

00:52:59.480 I don't see it.

00:53:00.200 Yeah, I think almost everything they said, if you think about it, has been disingenuous.

00:53:05.420 She gave no example.

00:53:06.740 She said it was gratuitous and inappropriate.

00:53:09.540 And she didn't give one example.

00:53:11.740 And the biggest problem they have is they can't decide whether he's non-compos mentes and cognitively challenged and therefore he shouldn't have been indicted or he's perfectly cognitively capable and therefore he should be indicted.

00:53:25.520 And so they go back and waver.

00:53:27.200 Or they praise him sometimes because he didn't indict him and then they criticize him because they said he didn't indict him.

00:53:33.420 But there's some things they can't get away from.

00:53:35.060 He didn't even say that he thought that Joe Biden was non-compos mentes.

00:53:39.000 He said that people, in his opinion, would think that.

00:53:42.860 In other words, it was a widespread belief.

00:53:45.580 And today, the latest poll, 85% thought he was too old.

00:53:50.740 76% said he's not suited.

00:53:53.100 So that wasn't anybody's speculation.

00:53:55.320 That was what the general people feel.

00:53:56.900 But what I got really angry was Kamala Harris and the rest of them, especially Dan Goldman, lying, just blatantly lying, as did Joe Biden.

00:54:06.820 The first thing they said is, contrary to Trump, Joe Biden cooperated.

00:54:11.860 He did.

00:54:12.460 He notified people as soon as he – that's a complete lie.

00:54:15.820 He took it out at least 14 years ago, the last year of his senatorial career in 2009, I think January 15th, when he resigned.

00:54:25.240 So he at least had these documents that were classified for 14 years and might have been gone back a decade earlier.

00:54:32.200 Then he took him out as vice president, and he didn't tell a soul.

00:54:37.360 He knew in 2017 that he had done that when Trump was president because he said to a ghostwriter, oh, I've got classified documents here.

00:54:46.320 That's on tape.

00:54:46.920 That's on tape.

00:54:47.580 But, again, they erased that tape, Megan.

00:54:49.980 The only reason they found that out was they had forensics that was able to cover it.

00:54:54.640 So here you have a guy in 2017 who admits it and doesn't notify any federal authority, and he sits on it for five years.

00:55:02.020 So then why did he – why do we know about the fact that he had classified files?

00:55:08.680 We only know about it because on November 2nd of 2020, his attorneys announced, oh, my God, he's had them for years.

00:55:17.460 He had them since 2017 when he told the ghostwriter he did.

00:55:22.080 However, the reason that they announced that wasn't just less than two weeks.

00:55:26.240 They were – two weeks, a little bit more than two weeks, they announced the appointment of Jack Smith.

00:55:30.560 So they thought, oh, my God, we're going to appoint a special counsel to look into Trump.

00:55:35.460 Does Joe have any exposure?

00:55:37.120 Oh, yes, he does.

00:55:38.640 So we better get preempt and get it out there before the special prosecutor is formally announced.

00:55:44.980 The other thing is he lied in the press conference and said there was no top-secret classification as Afghan papers.

00:55:51.120 There was, and he knew that.

00:55:53.920 The other thing that got really – I think a lot of us got really angry about was Jill and Joe Biden.

00:55:58.780 And how dare he say that about not remembering the date of Biden's death?

00:56:05.600 And that was inappropriate, we were told, to bring in that.

00:56:08.860 No, you know what was inappropriate?

00:56:10.760 For the last three to four years, as recently as last fall, Joe Biden has deliberately lied about the circumstances of his own son's death.

00:56:22.700 It's a tragic death, he died of a glioblastoma in Walter Reed Hospital, but he's gone in front of grieving families and said, we lost Beau in Iraq.

00:56:32.800 That is completely untrue.

00:56:34.860 And he has a habit of that, Megan.

00:56:37.060 He did that for 10 years when his wife died in 72.

00:56:41.220 It was another tragic accident.

00:56:43.020 His daughter died.

00:56:44.540 But he blamed the truck driver who was absolutely innocent and, if anything, not culpable in trying to avoid that accident.

00:56:52.900 And he said that he drank his lunch.

00:56:54.840 I lost my wife to a drunk driver.

00:56:56.980 And the family pleaded with Joe Biden for a decade to stop that.

00:57:01.780 And the poor man died before Biden apologized or stopped it.

00:57:05.660 So what I'm getting at is Joe Biden has used deaths in his family for patently political purposes.

00:57:12.000 The special counsel was not trying to do that.

00:57:16.640 He was just giving you examples of egregious loss of memory or cognitive ability.

00:57:22.380 And yet they turned it into, how dare you?

00:57:25.460 This is below, this is beyond the pale, when they have done it repeatedly.

00:57:29.760 And I wouldn't have brought it up.

00:57:31.640 I don't think anybody should, except they do it all the time.

00:57:34.600 They try to distort the actual circumstances of their son's death.

00:57:40.600 Anybody who's lost a child knows that you don't do that.

00:57:44.640 You don't try to change the conditions of how you lost a child to gain empathy or to take empathy away from somebody who's grieving from the actual circumstance.

00:57:55.200 And I thought that, I got really upset about that.

00:57:58.100 They've been so untruthful about in their replies to all of these facts.

00:58:02.380 And I thought Goldman was terrible when he said, oh, he's he notified people as soon as he knew.

00:58:07.820 He never had notified anybody until the appointment of the special counsel was going to take place within two weeks.

00:58:14.980 So it's very true.

00:58:16.180 So so first of all, he, you know, according to this report, he was sitting there reading the classified documents and material therein to his ghostwriter out loud.

00:58:25.940 So he very well knew, at least at that point, that he had classified documents in his possession and he was sharing the contents with somebody.

00:58:33.780 I mean, look at the infamous meeting of Trump allegedly waving around the classified document like I've got it here.

00:58:40.860 The attack plans.

00:58:42.420 Look at this.

00:58:43.500 This is given to me by what's his name.

00:58:45.760 And he wants us to attack Iran.

00:58:48.260 I could show it to you, but it's classified.

00:58:49.760 He's he's been indicted for that, among other things.

00:58:53.020 This is an allegation that Joe Biden read the classified documents to the ghostwriter who then deletes the tape.

00:59:00.880 So, I mean, at least as of then he had it and he knew.

00:59:04.280 And unlike Trump, he had never been president.

00:59:05.780 He had never had access to this stuff in a way that would have allowed him to take it with him back to his home in Delaware.

00:59:13.160 Even arguably, senators have to review classified documents in these so-called skiffs, these secure information rooms, and then they leave.

00:59:21.740 The information doesn't leave.

00:59:23.360 The documents never leave.

00:59:25.340 And so he had some of this stuff from his senatorial time.

00:59:28.760 And that's a really good point, because they've tried to say, well, these things are very different.

00:59:33.580 They are different, but not in the way the Biden people are saying they're different.

00:59:36.780 They're different because, as you said, the president has the prerogative in theory anytime he wants to to declassify them.

00:59:42.900 Maybe Trump didn't do it formally, but he had that option.

00:59:46.040 He wouldn't be in this trouble if he just signed a paper saying these are declassified.

00:59:50.740 The second thing is anybody who's driven by Mar-a-Lago knows it's a lot more secure location than Joe Biden's garage when you see that picture of those cartons.

01:00:00.360 And the idea, well, he had it in the secure, it's not true.

01:00:04.080 Trump had it for less than two years.

01:00:06.920 Joe Biden has had classified documents in his possession since he left the Senate.

01:00:12.780 And again, that's 14 years plus.

01:00:15.020 So how they took that asymmetry and said, well, Donald Trump is the object of an investigation by Jack Smith.

01:00:25.620 It's so egregious we had to indict him.

01:00:27.980 But Mr. Herc could not indict Joe Biden because his circumstances were completely different, although he didn't quite say that, did he?

01:00:35.800 He did say that from time to time, but he said the chief reason was, is a jury should not, would not indict him.

01:00:43.280 But, you know, another thing is that's not the, that is an attitude of a local prosecutor.

01:00:48.880 And you know that, Megan, who has limited resources.

01:00:51.060 They have to pick and choose which case they think they can win in the jury.

01:00:55.300 It's not the prerogative of a special counsel with the full weight and funding of the federal government who knows that he can try and he'll have all the resources in the world.

01:01:05.160 And yet he makes the decision, in his opinion, that he might not win it.

01:01:09.780 The point is he's supposed to try to win it and persuade a jury that Joe Biden was capable of what he was doing.

01:01:17.740 And so I thought that was a little strange that Herc said that.

01:01:20.860 It was a James Comey, you know, return that Hillary is really guilty of taking out classified emails or communicating over an unsecure server or destroying subpoena devices.

01:01:33.360 But I don't think anybody wants to indict a presidential candidate, in my opinion.

01:01:38.240 That was, I mean, Andy McCarthy was pointing out on his podcast, which I listen to every Friday, that they, number one, they use the wrong standard.

01:01:46.340 They said, oh, you know, you got to prove that he did it willfully and we're not there.

01:01:49.580 And really the standard is, was it grossly negligent, which is a much easier burden for any prosecutor to meet.

01:01:55.800 And number two, as to the criticism by Kamala Harris that it was gratuitous, that he released, he, he, it was obviously political, she said.

01:02:06.440 And, um, and she said, she said, yeah, exactly.

01:02:09.880 It could not be that it was politically motivated.

01:02:13.300 I'm just trying to get her exact words.

01:02:15.200 Um, Andy's point was that there is a DOJ regulation that required the special counsel to explain in full to the attorney general,

01:02:24.900 exactly his assessment of how this would play in front of a jury.

01:02:28.220 Her, H-U-R, had the obligation under DOJ guidelines, see rule 600.8 subset C, um, to explain his rationale for charging decisions in a confidential report.

01:02:43.200 This is, um, that was a subsection of the special counsel regulations, title 28, code of the federal regulations, to explain the charging decisions and why you made them.

01:02:50.920 It is the special counsel's job to make the attorney general aware of significant litigation issues that might arise if the decision to indict were made.

01:03:01.920 In this case, Biden's mental acuity was relevant.

01:03:05.940 Andy pointing out there is absolutely nothing inappropriate in her's consideration of how Biden's mental decline would play in a jury trial.

01:03:14.620 It is then up to the attorney general to decide whether to release all or part of the report to the public.

01:03:19.260 And I think Merrick Garland accurately deduced that if he released a report with big redactions in an interview on subjects that had, that, that had to do with Biden's recall, the public would have gone nuts.

01:03:34.640 What did he forget?

01:03:35.660 What's there?

01:03:36.280 And then if they, he was ultimately forced to then show what he'd redacted or someone leaked it.

01:03:42.120 And what he tried to hide from us was that the sitting president can't remember when he was vice president or within several years when his son died, which was relatively recent, people would have had his head on a plate.

01:03:57.740 Yeah, but I mean, Mr. Herr and Mr. Garland know that this is absurd because you can't, on the one hand, say there's enough incriminating evidence to probably get an indictment.

01:04:10.460 But we decided that in our opinion, and I'm just speaking for Garland and proving this apparently, because he didn't overrule him, I guess, and I'm not sure about the statute, statutory authority for that.

01:04:22.020 But in our opinion, a jury wouldn't buy this, and therefore the president of the United States is de facto unfit to face an indictment.

01:04:33.080 Well, that means he's what?

01:04:36.420 A truck driver is fit, a lawyer, a doctor, a teacher, they're all fit, but the man who should be more fit than any of us because he's president of the United States gets a special exemption because the prosecutor, in his view, thinks a jury will think he's unfit.

01:04:52.020 That is a de facto condemnation of the whole process, and it's basically saying we've got somebody who should be removed by the 25th Amendment because he can't even face a jury without them concluding that he is cognitively incapable of defending himself.

01:05:10.300 And that's what they can't get away of, and that's why they keep trying to lie and lie and lie.

01:05:15.060 Again, Donald Trump is a big beneficiary of this because it really is weakening.

01:05:22.700 Jack Smith's going to have a terrible time trying to, at least on the document part of his indictments, to convict or even get into court and convince anybody that this is fair after what's happened with Biden.

01:05:36.580 I was just going to say on the accuracy point, though, which is something we need to round back to.

01:05:43.740 So Kamala Harris is suggesting that it's inaccurate, the report.

01:05:48.300 Okay, as I said, Joe Biden hasn't even claimed that, the stuff about the memory problems.

01:05:52.920 And I said earlier, okay, maybe he suggested it on Beau, but he didn't actually say that the special counsel report was wrong on Beau.

01:05:58.780 He just took umbrage of the fact that it was in there, and apparently that people believe he doesn't know when Beau died.

01:06:05.640 But he didn't actually say the special counsel lied about that or got that wrong.

01:06:10.600 He just got out there and tried to be indignant about the fact that he was being accused of it.

01:06:15.640 And meanwhile, Jill Biden weighed in over the weekend with an admission that he got it wrong.

01:06:23.240 She was trying to defend him and in so doing admitted that he got it wrong.

01:06:26.940 She said in a statement, quote, if you've experienced a loss like that, you know that you don't measure it in years.

01:06:35.760 You measure it in grief.

01:06:38.140 Now, look, I would submit that's not true.

01:06:41.300 I don't believe that.

01:06:42.680 I mean, my audience knows I lost my sister a year plus ago in October.

01:06:49.080 I lost my dad in 1985.

01:06:51.180 And most people who have had tragic loss like that can tell you exactly.

01:06:54.980 It was December 15th, 1985.

01:06:57.180 It was a Sunday night.

01:06:58.540 Now, look, I'm much younger than Joe Biden, so I still have it at the ready.

01:07:01.780 Maybe when I'm 81, that date will fade.

01:07:04.800 But I would suggest what she said is not true.

01:07:07.860 Most people have had massive loss in their life, like of that scale, loss of a child.

01:07:12.500 You do measure it in years.

01:07:14.220 It's it's very it's front lobe.

01:07:16.260 You've got it.

01:07:16.880 And the fact that it's not front lobe for Joe Biden does tell us something.

01:07:21.080 And just one other point, Victor.

01:07:24.380 Kamala Harris says his demeanor, as described in that report, could not be more wrong.

01:07:30.600 Now, she wasn't in the interview, so she has no idea whether special counsel her got it right or wrong.

01:07:36.640 She's not in a position to opine.

01:07:38.540 And she jumps to an entirely different event to say, oh, he was strong in dealing with Israel.

01:07:43.240 That would be barred from a court of law as totally irrelevant.

01:07:46.920 It doesn't speak to how he behaved in that in that interview with special counsel her who spent hours with him.

01:07:52.580 And if it were wrong, release the transcript.

01:07:56.400 The White House won't do it.

01:07:59.200 And when he's trying to explain all of this in front of the world, what does he do?

01:08:03.300 He kind of maligns the president of Egypt, who's a very critical partner right now,

01:08:07.420 because he says, he basically accuses him that he wasn't going to help out and open Gaza until I talked to him.

01:08:14.240 But then he gets, he calls him the president of Mexico.

01:08:16.700 And then he talks about a corridor, almost as if he's talking about the southern border.

01:08:21.440 So the president of Mexico and the president of Egypt are either confounded or angry.

01:08:26.500 And this is all presented to us as an example that he is going to shift topics and show us how cognitively astute he is.

01:08:36.460 And then after all of this, she gets up and says, there's nothing to it and it's not going to work.

01:08:42.600 It's just not going to work.

01:08:44.180 And they know it.

01:08:45.200 And the thing, another thing that got me is how do we even know about the phone call again, excuse the tape that Joe Biden allegedly said to his ghostwriter in 2017?

01:08:57.980 Well, you know, I've got classified.

01:08:59.800 We know it because of forensic evidence that ghostwriter destroyed that tape.

01:09:05.940 And he may have done it, according to some of the press reports, once this investigation started.

01:09:11.360 And then later he said he did it so he was afraid that he might be hacked.

01:09:15.320 How many times has somebody hacked somebody, a ghostwriter?

01:09:19.440 Nobody even knew who he was.

01:09:21.380 And so there was an effort, a concentrated effort of the Biden legal team to package this in a way that did not represent the facts.

01:09:31.100 The facts that they were confronted with, they had a non-composed president who had papers that were classified for over 14 years.

01:09:40.620 And at least the last five knew that they were classified.

01:09:44.300 And they had a special counsel who was going to take charge in two weeks and charge Donald Trump with that exact crime.

01:09:52.180 And they didn't know what to do about it.

01:09:53.940 So they came out and preempted and told all these crazy stories and lies.

01:10:00.140 And they got, they erased this phone call.

01:10:03.160 The special counsel should have said, you know, done something about that.

01:10:06.900 Why did they erase?

01:10:07.720 He considered charging the ghostwriter.

01:10:08.540 Yeah, yeah, he should have.

01:10:11.240 And so they're very lucky because, and they should decide what their narrative is.

01:10:16.380 It's either that Joe Biden should not have been indicted because he is non-composed,

01:10:22.420 meant as, or that he's perfectly clear and therefore he should be indicted.

01:10:27.140 Because they haven't told us exactly why he shouldn't be indicted.

01:10:32.080 All they've said is things that are not true.

01:10:34.780 They've said that the locations were more secure.

01:10:37.100 That's not true.

01:10:37.800 They said that they notified authorities as soon as they knew it.

01:10:42.400 That's not true.

01:10:43.280 They said that the Afghan papers were not classified.

01:10:46.480 That's not true.

01:10:47.680 And they suggested that they didn't really have in his possession that long.

01:10:52.200 That's not true.

01:10:53.140 He had it for at least seven or eight times longer than Donald Trump did.

01:10:57.200 So I don't know what their strategy is to say that he's perfectly crystal clear, but we're

01:11:03.820 going to lie about why he shouldn't have been indicted as somebody who was cognizant.

01:11:08.080 And that's what they can't figure out.

01:11:10.220 And that's going to haunt them because you're not going to get away from them.

01:11:13.840 Remember the freak out, too, about Trump having military documents?

01:11:17.760 And that's exactly what they say Biden had in his possession.

01:11:20.560 There was a complete meltdown about how on earth an irresponsible president could have

01:11:24.960 in his possession military plans and documents that might be relevant.

01:11:29.180 Sources and methods we heard, right?

01:11:31.660 That's what was in the Biden documents.

01:11:34.560 And it was even more like Trump.

01:11:36.180 He had never been president.

01:11:38.460 And that's another great point, because they asked Biden, why did he take them out?

01:11:42.880 And they get they cited three.

01:11:44.520 The news account cited three reasons.

01:11:46.340 One was he wanted to write his memoirs and he wanted.

01:11:49.740 The other is he might have he might want to address critics.

01:11:53.780 And he wanted the record.

01:11:55.540 That's exactly what Trump said, that I want these documents so that that's exactly what he

01:12:00.200 said.

01:12:00.500 And then there was even something that he wanted to have in his possession, things that might

01:12:07.000 be profitable to him at some point.

01:12:09.180 I don't know whether that meant financially or that he would be able to reply to critics

01:12:14.740 or he would have insight into national security matters.

01:12:19.140 But they weren't all true altruistic.

01:12:22.060 None of them were.

01:12:22.620 They were all centered on exactly what Donald Trump said.

01:12:26.000 I was going to write my memoirs.

01:12:27.800 I wanted to have the stuff out there so they don't lie about me.

01:12:31.980 And I wanted to reply to my critics.

01:12:35.460 And it was no different.

01:12:37.120 But I don't think they're going to get away with it.

01:12:39.760 And I think we're headed to a point that as this builds up, they're going to have to

01:12:43.680 do something.

01:12:44.360 That's another issue.

01:12:45.360 But they're going to have to do something at the convention because these these.

01:12:50.480 Well, wait, stand by.

01:12:51.280 We'll get to that.

01:12:51.920 We'll get to that because I do want to talk to you about whether Biden can can last here.

01:12:55.160 But I don't want to get off of the minutiae of the responses because it's important.

01:12:59.240 It's important what they're trying, how they're spinning.

01:13:01.000 I mean, truly, it's like the guy at the circus with so many plates, the amount of spinning

01:13:04.720 that's going on because this report was that bad, as was his presser thereafter.

01:13:09.100 But on the point you just raised about that we were just discussing, he talked with the

01:13:14.140 ghostwriter.

01:13:14.660 I interviewed him on NBC about his book.

01:13:16.380 It was twenty eighteen.

01:13:17.920 It was so the sit down with the author was obviously a year or two before that.

01:13:22.660 I'm sure I could look up the data.

01:13:23.800 I don't have it in front of me.

01:13:24.500 But at the latest, it would have been seventeen.

01:13:29.060 So he's reading classified documents to the to the ghostwriter.

01:13:32.420 And here he is in twenty two talking about Trump's treatment of classified info.

01:13:40.880 You saw the photograph of the top secret documents laid out on the floor at Mar-a-Lago.

01:13:46.460 What did you think to yourself looking at that image?

01:13:51.000 How that could possibly happen, how anyone could be that irresponsible.

01:13:57.260 And I thought what data was in there that may compromise sources and methods?

01:14:02.420 By that, I mean names of people who helped or et cetera.

01:14:06.600 And it's just totally irresponsible.

01:14:10.820 So, Victor, that's one of two things.

01:14:12.640 It's either a blatant lie because that man knows very well that he had documents just

01:14:16.520 like that back at his house for years that he never was entitled to take with him out

01:14:20.320 of office or he forgot.

01:14:24.420 I don't.

01:14:24.780 Each one is equally likely he's got a pattern of both.

01:14:28.060 I don't know what the answer is, but it's not excusable.

01:14:30.540 Well, it's it's that's just part of this dilemma they'll never get out of.

01:14:35.940 They either have to say that he's can't remember anything and therefore he's not culpable or

01:14:41.700 he's crystal clear and he's culpable and they don't they go back and forth.

01:14:46.140 Sometimes it's, you know, he didn't do what Donald Trump did.

01:14:49.340 And sometimes, you know, they're lying about his cognitive abilities.

01:14:53.880 He's he's and so he is crystal clear.

01:14:57.100 And then if he's crystal clear, then it's pretty clear to refute the fact that what that

01:15:01.160 they're lying about what he actually did.

01:15:02.860 It's on the record.

01:15:03.680 That press conference of which he tried to explain, it wasn't just he had a trifecta.

01:15:09.740 He said first he convinced people that he wasn't cognitively alert.

01:15:14.400 And then he lied about the facts of the case that if he worked cognitively alert, he should

01:15:20.140 have been indicted because he lied three times about things that gave him criminal exposure.

01:15:25.340 And then when he shifted into foreign policy to show us that he's the president, it was

01:15:30.280 a disaster.

01:15:31.800 And so that press conference, you know, I don't think he's going to recover from that.

01:15:37.340 I think there's people who are very right.

01:15:39.180 He should be walking himself right into an indictment.

01:15:41.260 If the only reason he didn't get indicted, the main reason is he's too enfeeble mentally

01:15:46.100 to stand trial.

01:15:47.240 And he comes out there to say that's a lie.

01:15:49.220 Then he should get indicted.

01:15:51.000 And well, I mean, it's like the Democrats should get he should get impeached.

01:15:54.960 Exactly.

01:15:55.500 If you can be cognitively challenged and still have high office and Donald Trump should say

01:16:00.300 tomorrow, well, you know, I confuse Nancy Pelosi with Nikki Haley.

01:16:04.500 I'm cognitively challenged, but it's no it's no disqualification to be present.

01:16:10.060 But it is an exemption from indictment by a special counsel, because I plead that I'm

01:16:15.940 not always alert.

01:16:17.140 It's the same thing.

01:16:18.080 You should do it.

01:16:18.740 I'm a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory.

01:16:20.640 Yes.

01:16:21.440 But that doesn't disqualify me from being the elected president in 2024.

01:16:26.140 This is going to be an affirmative defense to every claim brought by federal prosecutors

01:16:30.240 from now on.

01:16:30.960 Well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory.

01:16:33.000 I hear this gets you out.

01:16:33.840 This is an affirmative defense.

01:16:34.840 We're going to plead it in our answer to the charges.

01:16:37.840 OK, a couple more points.

01:16:38.720 Uh, Biden's lawyer, Bob Bauer, was on the Sunday show's face of the nation here.

01:16:43.700 This is his attack.

01:16:44.980 Take a listen.

01:16:46.260 The special counsel opens by thanking the president for making this scheduled appointment.

01:16:50.780 It could have been rescheduled given international events.

01:16:53.540 Then he proceeds to say, I'm going to be taking you through events that are many years ago.

01:16:58.660 He flags that.

01:16:59.780 So all I can ask is your best recollection.

01:17:02.500 And that is precisely what the president did.

01:17:04.600 He engaged.

01:17:05.760 He answered the questions.

01:17:07.540 And the special counsel's decision to cherry pick in a very misleading way some of the references

01:17:13.560 that you're discussing here is an example of what I call a really shabby work product.

01:17:18.760 OK, so the special counsel said, I'm going to be talking you through events that are many

01:17:25.020 years ago.

01:17:25.900 So all I can ask is your best recollection.

01:17:28.400 We all say that as lawyers who are deposing somebody about an event in their past.

01:17:33.700 He that is a reference to where were the documents?

01:17:36.940 When did you take them?

01:17:37.720 What documents are there?

01:17:38.660 Where did you store them?

01:17:39.520 Then where did they go?

01:17:40.300 That is not a reference to do your best to remember when you were vice president.

01:17:45.740 Very clearly, the special counsel and everyone in the room had a basic understanding that

01:17:50.740 the sitting president of the United States would have a clear memory of certain big events.

01:17:57.080 And to the best of your recollection is not some excuse to not remember the basic facts

01:18:03.680 of your life.

01:18:05.020 That is such a weak defense, Victor, that it just shows me they've got

01:18:10.300 nothing.

01:18:11.120 They can't defend it.

01:18:13.340 They can't.

01:18:13.960 And if he's challenging the veracity in some sense of a special prosecutor or counsel,

01:18:19.040 why don't they just then release the exact transcript and see whether he stuttered or

01:18:24.060 even get the audio and let us hear exactly how he answered those questions and the other

01:18:29.440 questions that aren't even mentioned in the news accounts.

01:18:31.580 And here's his counsel who's trying to convince us that this is unfair to even suggest that he had

01:18:39.040 memory lapses when the president came out and immediately on news of this new of this development,

01:18:45.720 he comes into an evening press conference and he confuses the president of Egypt and Mexico

01:18:50.820 after a week in which he's confused.

01:18:54.440 First, he said that the president of Germany, the chancellor of Germany, Helmut Kohl, is still

01:19:01.200 alive, as is Francois Mitterrand.

01:19:03.880 And that's not I mean, how can you get out there and say that?

01:19:07.260 I know why he did it, but it's not going to convince anybody.

01:19:11.540 And so.

01:19:12.060 But now but now what they're doing is trying to say it was politically motivated, even though

01:19:17.440 they never said when her got appointed, that's a partisan hack.

01:19:21.160 We can't trust him.

01:19:22.740 Why'd you appoint him?

01:19:23.740 Never, never.

01:19:24.780 It wasn't until they read his results that they said he should not have been entrusted with

01:19:29.280 this job.

01:19:29.860 OK, that's number one.

01:19:31.160 But secondly, what I heard over the weekend was from people like Joe Scarborough, James

01:19:36.280 Carville.

01:19:38.280 Merrick Garland failed and some even suggesting Merrick Garland's got to go.

01:19:42.520 Now, there's more and more reporting that he's going to be a one term AG if Biden gets

01:19:47.060 reelected, that it was his responsibility to protect Joe Biden from this report by number

01:19:55.600 one, not appointing a special counsel.

01:19:57.960 They don't believe one should have been appointed.

01:20:00.120 Number two, making sure it was a Democrat.

01:20:02.780 And number three, if all else fails, editing out the most damaging contents from the report

01:20:11.100 so that the American people could not see it, dovetailed with a report in Politico now that

01:20:18.620 behind the scenes, Joe Biden is very angry with Merrick Garland for, among other things,

01:20:24.680 not moving faster on the Trump prosecutions because he feels reportedly that they could have

01:20:33.040 been already tried by now to completion, thus preventing Donald Trump from getting the

01:20:39.340 nomination or certainly getting into the White House if he's convicted and potentially sitting

01:20:43.000 in a jail cell, all of which like they're saying it openly.

01:20:47.120 Now, this is their complaint about Garland and what Joe Biden says behind the scenes, just

01:20:52.260 owning the blatant politicization cessation.

01:20:57.200 I can't get that word troubles me of the of the Department of Justice, which is what the

01:21:03.260 Republicans have been saying all along and they have been denying.

01:21:08.620 It's even worse than that, because we know even before the special counsel's report that

01:21:15.040 there were rumors that Joe Biden had been angry and why didn't Garland?

01:21:18.920 This has been going on these leaks for about a year.

01:21:21.300 But more importantly, Fannie Willis, we've told there was no coordination between any of these

01:21:26.240 state, local and federal prosecutions.

01:21:28.400 Now we understand that Mr. Nicholas Wade, the chief prosecutor that she appointed for Paramore,

01:21:34.600 went to the White House and perhaps, they don't quite give us the name, met with a White House

01:21:39.540 counsel and billed the taxpayers of Georgia $250 an hour for being tutored or mentored by a White

01:21:48.120 House representative.

01:21:50.120 And then, of course, also they had consultations with the January 6th committee about witnesses

01:21:54.820 and how to prepare them and examine them.

01:21:57.820 So from the get go, this was a weaponization.

01:22:02.040 And, you know, they didn't say it.

01:22:07.080 They didn't say a word when Jeff Sessions had to step down and we had Robert Muir and nobody

01:22:12.740 said a word on the left.

01:22:13.880 They thought that was the greatest thing in the world that happened.

01:22:16.140 And when you look at the political affinities of Latina James and Fannie Willis and Alvin

01:22:23.480 Bragg and the larger family of Jack Smith and his wife working on some publicity and things

01:22:31.840 for not for, but about Michelle Obama.

01:22:35.060 All of them start with the premise that the prosecutor is left-leaning, the judges in all

01:22:41.940 of these cases, maybe not, maybe one, but most of them are left-leaning and the jury pools of

01:22:47.800 these big cities are going to be left-leaning.

01:22:49.980 And they're delighted about it.

01:22:51.160 Just like during Robert Mueller, they were talking about the Hunter Killer team, the All-Stars,

01:22:56.620 the pros, they were all so happy about the Andrew Weissman team that was going to go after

01:23:03.820 Donald Trump.

01:23:04.800 And they're just like little children.

01:23:07.100 They don't look at any symmetry.

01:23:08.780 Can I, so just to point this out, Adam Schiff, who's possibly the worst, the worst on this

01:23:13.660 front, the biggest hypocrite in Congress, and that's saying something, in 2018, when Trump

01:23:19.980 was out there attacking special counsel Mueller on the fake Russiagate investigation, which exonerated

01:23:25.980 Trump in large part, not entirely for everything, but Russiagate was a lie.

01:23:30.540 Adam Schiff back then denounced attacks on the finding of Mueller as, quote, a very underhanded

01:23:36.720 effort to besmirch his character.

01:23:40.440 Flash forward to now, this is a quote, special counsel Robert Herr is, quote, a hack.

01:23:46.060 He's a hack.

01:23:47.240 But you're not supposed to besmirch the character of the special counsels.

01:23:51.820 That's the way it's supposed to work, Victor.

01:23:53.260 What, what, you know, somebody should ask him the question, what did they want the special

01:23:58.720 counsel to do, given the evidence?

01:24:01.040 Are they angry at him because he did what?

01:24:04.640 Because he said Joe Biden got off?

01:24:07.500 Are they happy with him, angry?

01:24:09.540 I don't know what they did.

01:24:10.500 He didn't indict Joe Biden.

01:24:11.920 That's what they wanted.

01:24:12.820 So half the time they say there wasn't enough evidence and they can't, they can never quite

01:24:17.960 figure out what the narrative is going to be because they wanted him not to be indicted.

01:24:22.480 They knew he was basically guilty.

01:24:25.220 The special counsel went through, he went through all the evidence and he decided not

01:24:28.960 to indict him.

01:24:29.660 They should have been, you know, perfectly happy, except now they are stuck with the idea

01:24:34.360 why he didn't indict him because he wasn't cognizant.

01:24:38.640 And therefore you have to be cognizant.

01:24:41.060 Yeah.

01:24:41.360 And you have to be cognizant.

01:24:42.260 So that, that leads us to the discussion that you raised earlier, which is now what, because

01:24:47.740 now we're getting thought pieces, even from the left, that Joe Biden can't do it, that

01:24:55.060 they, they really, really, really need an alternative.

01:24:58.280 And that for the good of the party and the country, he should step down.

01:25:02.760 Even national review had a good piece today by Jim Garrity talking about, um, and I think

01:25:06.460 he was citing another writer there.

01:25:07.760 Forgive me.

01:25:08.060 I can't remember who it was, but talking about how at this point, Kamala Harris actually might

01:25:13.820 be a better alternative for the Democrats than Joe Biden pointing out.

01:25:18.800 She's only actually one point below Joe Biden on the approval rating.

01:25:22.560 I mean, now that's, that's not good.

01:25:25.180 They're both terrible, but at least it would remove from the Republicans, the argument about

01:25:33.060 mental infirmity due to age and senility.

01:25:37.640 And they do need to do something about that because the latest ABC Ipsos poll released Sunday,

01:25:44.600 it was taken Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

01:25:47.240 So post his Thursday night meltdown and the release of the, her report on Thursday, 86%

01:25:54.180 of the American populace thinks Biden is too old to serve.

01:25:59.160 That is up 12 points from just September, 86%, 73% of Democrats believe that 91% of independents

01:26:12.640 believe that and virtually all Republicans, of course, but that's 73% of Dems, 91%.

01:26:17.220 91% of independents, 86% of the populace.

01:26:20.580 You can't get past that, Victor.

01:26:22.600 No, you can't.

01:26:23.460 And they don't know what to do about it.

01:26:25.660 Now what?

01:26:26.360 I mean, it's too late for a major candidate to get on the ballot.

01:26:29.040 So it's going to have to happen at the convention, I guess.

01:26:32.920 He's going to have to, somebody is going to have to give the Biden delegates to someone.

01:26:37.440 That someone is logically Kamala Harris, which apparently they don't want under any circumstances.

01:26:42.220 So they're going to do what?

01:26:44.060 They're going to take the sitting vice president, an African-American woman who Joe Biden selected

01:26:49.500 in his own words on the basis of her gender and race.

01:26:53.320 They're going to disqualify her from that and just hand it over to whom?

01:26:57.860 Gavin Newsom, maybe Michelle Obama, that might be able to square that circle.

01:27:04.720 But they're in a big, every time, any time a candidate, when Lyndon Johnson suddenly dropped

01:27:09.440 out in 68, that caused a turmoil.

01:27:12.580 I mean, but they had candidates.

01:27:14.420 They had Robert Kennedy running.

01:27:16.260 They had other candidates running.

01:27:17.780 They don't have a candidate now.

01:27:19.120 When they got Eagleton off the ticket in 72 at the last minute, because they said he'd

01:27:24.320 have electric shocks, they didn't know what to do.

01:27:27.160 It really damaged.

01:27:28.240 Anytime you're a political party and you have that sudden change of the two top posts, the

01:27:35.120 voters don't like it.

01:27:36.380 And they've got to do something very quickly, I think, because he's not declining at a predictable

01:27:42.860 arithmetic rate.

01:27:44.300 If you look at what he was like on Inauguration Day compared to now, it's very different.

01:27:50.500 He's declining geometrically.

01:27:53.240 Each day gets a little bit, not a little bit, but more and more worrisome.

01:27:58.580 And these are people, remember, who told us that a Yale psychiatrist had to come to Congress,

01:28:04.380 Bandy Lee, and testify that Donald Trump should have an intervention, straitjacket, and be taken,

01:28:09.820 carted out because he was crazy.

01:28:11.200 And these were delighted when Andrew McCabe, the acting FBI director, and Rod Rosenstein,

01:28:18.080 the deputy attorney general, hooked up some plan to wear a wire, apparently, according

01:28:23.480 to McCabe, Rosenstein, and go in and record without Trump's knowledge proof that he was

01:28:30.900 crazy so they could convince the cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment.

01:28:35.220 So they were all in on this.

01:28:36.480 And people forget that's why Donald Trump took the Montreal Cognitive Assessment, not

01:28:42.480 because he wanted to, because everybody was yelling and screaming at him, Yale psychiatrists,

01:28:48.520 Congress, FBI, that they wanted him out because he was nuts.

01:28:53.080 So he took this exam.

01:28:54.760 And everybody knows that that's not going to happen with Joe Biden.

01:28:57.540 And so I don't know.

01:29:00.180 They always bring up, project, they bring up these issues.

01:29:02.980 And then when they boomerang back, they get very, very angry.

01:29:05.900 And this is so unfair.

01:29:07.300 Like they threw an adolescent temper tantrum.

01:29:10.380 And it's getting old.

01:29:11.580 And I think people are tired of it.

01:29:14.560 And they think, you know what?

01:29:16.140 Well, but I mean, now their temper is not going to be the headline.

01:29:18.680 What's going to be the headline is, can this guy get the ball across the end zone to take

01:29:22.960 it back to the Super Bowl references?

01:29:24.340 Um, that's the question.

01:29:26.300 And right now, so the Wall Street Journal did an interview with Kamala Harris last week

01:29:29.560 before the meltdown and the HUR report hit.

01:29:32.200 And they asked her about her, her ability.

01:29:36.440 Well, the first thing, the question was, do voters concerns about President Biden's age?

01:29:39.660 Again, this is pre the HUR report, pre his presser.

01:29:42.680 Do voters concerns about his age mean she must convince them she's ready to serve?

01:29:47.260 Her answer, I am ready to serve.

01:29:49.240 There's no question about that.

01:29:50.440 She responded, quote, everyone who sees her on the job, Harris said, and then quoting

01:29:56.940 her, walks away fully aware of my capacity to lead.

01:30:02.240 Now, I'm hold on.

01:30:06.120 This is my response to that.

01:30:07.420 Here's my response to that.

01:30:08.760 Sure, Jan.

01:30:10.220 Sure, Jan.

01:30:11.140 Sure.

01:30:11.660 I got doubts about whether that's what they walk away thinking, Victor, but the Democrats

01:30:16.700 are in a pickle.

01:30:17.700 And already in the left wing press today, we're seeing pieces on how could we do it?

01:30:25.020 Like if we needed to do it, James Carville was speaking to this sort of saying we got

01:30:28.800 rid of the superdelegate thing.

01:30:30.060 And after 2016, you know, after they've tried to wait the whole thing for Hillary over Bernie.

01:30:34.300 So there's not exactly the party elder system, but he was saying in the article saying it

01:30:40.160 really needs to be Joe Biden who gets all these delegates and, you know, wins March and

01:30:45.860 Super Tuesday and all the states that follow.

01:30:49.120 And then at the convention, he's got to make the decision.

01:30:53.040 I'm out and here's the baton, Kamala or somebody, but they need him to want to do it.

01:31:02.660 And so far as what all these Democrats are saying, they'll never get him to do it.

01:31:07.460 He doesn't want it.

01:31:08.160 He doesn't want to depart.

01:31:09.140 Or they have to get the people who have been making a lot of the decisions for Joe Biden

01:31:13.280 the last three years, whoever those people are.

01:31:15.900 I think a lot of it is coming from the Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, but especially the

01:31:21.360 two Obamas wing of the Democratic Party.

01:31:24.360 They're the people who are running this Democratic Party.

01:31:27.620 It's the hard left base.

01:31:29.860 And Joe Biden was a useful vessel, a good old Joe Biden from Scranton.

01:31:34.820 That was the Faustian bargain he made during the primary in South Carolina when they came

01:31:40.300 to him and said, you know what, we will back you and we'll all drop out if you just give

01:31:44.780 us a moderate veneer and electability, because we can't get elected with this agenda.

01:31:49.400 Bernie can't, Elizabeth Warren can't, Buttigieg can't, Cory Booker can't, but you can't because

01:31:55.300 everybody believes you're a moderate Democrat from the past.

01:31:58.220 And so they played along with it.

01:31:59.860 And then they were running the country as part of the bargaining.

01:32:02.980 He got the celebratory presidency.

01:32:06.000 And those are the people you have to deal with.

01:32:08.160 And they will find a way, whether Joe says so or not, to get rid of, and the donor class

01:32:13.540 will.

01:32:13.920 I don't think Joe's going to have much of a say.

01:32:16.460 They will find some incentive.

01:32:18.920 I don't know, but that doesn't extend to her.

01:32:20.960 I don't know how they're going to get rid of Kamala Harris and maybe, you know, given

01:32:25.280 her record on the border as borders are, or space are, anything that they've tasked her

01:32:29.980 with hasn't worked out very well.

01:32:32.960 They got a serious pickle.

01:32:34.140 And by the way, David Axelrod out saying again on CNN this weekend, she's not going to do it.

01:32:40.020 Do we have that?

01:32:40.600 Listen to South 31, as far as Michelle Obama, take a listen to him on Michelle.

01:32:44.420 She never was interested in a political life.

01:32:48.780 I was with him in a Senate campaign in 2004.

01:32:51.380 I think she showed up twice in the whole campaign on election nights.

01:32:56.700 I would be floored if she would consent to that.

01:33:03.200 I always say, Michael, that I have as much chance of dancing in the Bolshoi Ballet next

01:33:08.480 year than that she would be president of the United States.

01:33:12.000 Uh, and so if you see me running around at the end of the year in a leotard, you'll know

01:33:16.420 what happened.

01:33:18.340 Well, we'll see.

01:33:19.380 So maybe, maybe she's not going to be the underdog here to save the day.

01:33:23.460 Maybe she won't.

01:33:23.480 Then they're going to, they're going to have to be very creative in a way of, I mean,

01:33:28.080 they could, Dan Quayle was sort of in that position, not even about re-election, uh, with

01:33:33.400 George H.W. Bush.

01:33:34.860 And there was a lot of pressure to get him off.

01:33:36.660 They felt that he was, you know, not very effective and there was so much resistance

01:33:42.420 they got.

01:33:42.940 George H.W.

01:33:43.820 Bush said, no, he's going to stay on the ticket.

01:33:46.280 And this is much, much worse.

01:33:48.420 And I don't know how they're going to do it, but they're going to have to do something.

01:33:52.520 Joe Biden, I don't think that's even the question.

01:33:55.080 I think the question right now is for the next 12 months, how is he a viable president

01:34:00.060 given that press conference he had?

01:34:01.860 I don't think there, and he passed up the Superbowl.

01:34:04.660 That was a huge, greatest audience in history.

01:34:07.500 They could have got an obsequious, the normal obsequious interviewer.

01:34:11.960 They could have coached him.

01:34:13.000 They could have leaked the questions in advance.

01:34:15.160 He had three minutes.

01:34:16.260 It would have been a, and they didn't even trust him for that.

01:34:19.300 So what's he going to do with, we have a crisis.

01:34:22.140 What if there's a war?

01:34:23.300 What if something happens with Iran or Ukraine or China and Taiwan?

01:34:27.660 Is he going to, what's he going to do?

01:34:28.880 Is he going to come, radiate confidence, rally the nation to arms?

01:34:34.300 I don't know what he would do.

01:34:35.640 And they know that.

01:34:37.300 And it's a campaign too.

01:34:38.940 And on top of his presidential duties, he is running for re-election.

01:34:42.460 And there's no COVID this time.

01:34:44.680 Megan, there's no COVID.

01:34:45.520 And now we're hearing reports.

01:34:47.480 Oh, he's going to do small group meetings.

01:34:50.880 Okay, that's not going to, you cannot bury him in the basement this time.

01:34:54.600 We're going to have to see him.

01:34:55.700 Even James Carville, who's been raising complaints, I mean, issues.

01:34:59.580 Now, he says, I'm old too.

01:35:01.080 I'm almost his age.

01:35:02.060 But, you know, about his mental acuity, saw the refusal to do a Super Bowl appearance,

01:35:07.560 100 million people potentially watching, as a problematic sign.

01:35:11.800 Take a listen to him.

01:35:12.480 Saw 30.

01:35:12.920 It's the biggest television audience, not even close.

01:35:19.020 And you get a chance to do a 20, 25-minute interview on that day, and you don't do it.

01:35:25.980 That's the kind of sign that the staff or yourself doesn't have much confidence in you.

01:35:31.080 There's no other way to read this.

01:35:35.080 He's right.

01:35:35.900 There isn't.

01:35:36.560 I think the subtext of that is that they can't find anybody, so there's always tried

01:35:42.120 and true Hillary that could step up.

01:35:44.760 Oh, God.

01:35:45.700 Stop it right now.

01:35:47.280 She actually was on the shows this weekend saying age is an issue.

01:35:51.240 It's a fair game to discuss.

01:35:53.980 Oh, Victor.

01:35:55.240 What a thought.

01:35:56.160 Going over the next 12 months.

01:35:58.340 Someone's telling me she's not the solution.

01:36:00.540 Such a pleasure, my friend.

01:36:01.600 Thank you for being here.

01:36:02.700 Thank you.

01:36:03.380 All right.

01:36:04.880 Well, to be continued, I'm overwhelmed by the amount of news and the spinning.

01:36:09.720 And honestly, I've got real doubts about whether the Democratic Party is going to keep him.

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