I m back after a trip to Virginia Tech where I had the honor of speaking to a packed crowd of students there as part of Turning Point s ongoing campus tour. I was supposed to be there with Charlie and his absence was felt acutely. I said to the students there last night, it was an act of courage of them to show up.
00:00:00.520Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.
00:00:12.180Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
00:00:15.560I'm back after a trip to Virginia Tech where I had the honor of speaking to a packed crowd of students there as part of Turning Point's ongoing campus tour.
00:00:25.520I was supposed to be there with Charlie and his absence was felt acutely.
00:00:34.120It was one of those things like after he was killed, I had no idea whether they would go forward with the campus tour.
00:00:41.580And when Erica announced 48 hours after Charlie died that they were not stopping one thing, I stood up and cheered.
00:00:49.300I know I didn't, I hadn't even considered that they would keep it rolling and I was so inspired by her.
00:00:53.880And of course there was no hesitation to go forward with it.
00:00:57.180But I said to the students there last night, it was an act of courage of them to show up because these are kids on campus who are young.
00:01:06.840And unfortunately, that's where this violence took place on a college campus.
00:01:11.640And there are too many people that age who are turning dangerous these days.
00:01:16.140And so for them to show up in an environment where they know it's politically charged and where someone was assassinated two weeks beforehand at an event that has his organization's name on it and that this one did too is an act of courage by these students.
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00:07:06.820I don't even know where to begin, but I guess I'm going to start.
00:07:09.960Hopefully, the audience will forgive me because we were not live yesterday.
00:07:12.680I was on my way down to Virginia Tech, so we aired our interview that we did a week earlier with Matthew McConaughey, which is actually really interesting.
00:07:20.520I hope people listen to it if they missed it.
00:07:22.760So I did not get the chance to talk about Jimmy Kimmel's return, and I have a few things I want to say about it, and I'd love to get your takes on it, too.
00:07:29.700He did go back to the airwaves on Tuesday night and was a self-pitying baby.
00:11:35.740They make me want to barf, but appreciate the support with no apology whatsoever.
00:11:41.320And last but not least, then he comes out, and we do have the original sin that caused all the trouble.
00:11:47.100I'm going to play that, and then I'm going to play sound by five.
00:11:49.240So first, let's watch what got him in trouble last week.
00:11:52.980We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them.
00:12:01.980And doing everything they can to score political points from it.
00:17:22.780And then he said, thank you for standing up, you know, against the Trump government for my right to say this.
00:17:32.300And look, I personally wish that Brendan Carr and the FCC hadn't inserted himself, themselves into this.
00:17:41.240But what's really playing out here is a dynamic between the liberal Hollywood elites, Disney, Bob Iger on the one hand, and conservative-owned local stations on the other.
00:17:54.640If it really was the Trump government keeping Jimmy Kimmel off the air, he wouldn't be back on.
00:18:00.840And we still have local stations keeping him off.
00:18:04.260And I have to say, we have now the mainstream media heralding how many people tuned in to see Jimmy Kimmel's monologue.
00:18:14.020Six million viewers tuned in to see Jimmy Kimmel.
00:18:17.520Look, even I, who've never, literally never watched his show, was interested to hear what he was going to say last night or two nights ago.
00:18:28.480Um, now we have a standoff between liberal Hollywood and the conservative station owners who are sick and tired of having 10 hours a week between Jimmy Kimmel on the one hand and The View on the other shoved down their throats every day.
00:18:44.760Not to mention what happens on World News Tonight with David Muir.
00:19:43.500For those who think I go too hard on Donald Trump, to the point where there are still a lot of people who think I should be pulled off the air for making fun of Donald Trump.
00:20:31.260And then he'll smile with a bunch of cookies in his teeth.
00:20:35.300And he'll grab you by your nipples and he'll twist them until you have two holes in your LaTegra shirt because your parents couldn't afford an Izod.
00:20:45.240And he'll stuff you in a locker and he'll stomp on your trapper keeper and slam the door.
00:21:55.020He's just glad that he dodged a show-killing bullet, unlike our friend Charlie, who didn't dodge a life-killing one, which is really the issue now, isn't it?
00:22:06.240And the framing in the clip that we just watched is him saying, people want me off of the air because I make jokes about Donald Trump.
00:22:22.260Even people close to Donald Trump make jokes about Donald Trump that he will occasionally clearly be amused by.
00:22:28.120He was the one who went on Fallon and had his hair ruffled.
00:22:31.340Nobody is mad about jokes about Donald Trump.
00:22:33.540People are mad that all Jimmy Kimmel has grown into.
00:22:36.640Someone who I would say actually used to be funny when he was out there with Carolla doing The Man Show, he grew into this audience-captured Trump obsessive over the last 10 years who only talks about Donald Trump.
00:22:53.340They want to tune into late-night shows to see something that's genuinely going to make them laugh.
00:22:59.080Now, some of that has shifted with the business models in that Colbert and Kimmel have developed these really intensely political audiences because it's just a much smaller piece of the pie than late-night was getting even 20 years ago.
00:23:10.940And so you get the resistance wine moms tuning in for their nightly dose of affirmation from these guys.
00:23:17.380So part of it is that, but nobody who's protesting ABC or is mad at their local Sinclair station or Nexstar station, for example, if they end up seeing Kimmel back on the air, those audiences in more conservative communities, they aren't mad at Kimmel for making jokes about Trump.
00:23:34.560They're mad at Kimmel for only making jokes about Donald Trump, for finding much less humor in the very hilarious Democrats and for there being this wildly disproportional focus on Trump and MAGA,
00:23:46.400which is exactly what brings us back to the line that got him in trouble, pointing the finger at MAGA, because he is blinded by his own ideological fixations in a way that makes him unfunny.
00:23:58.720He can't genuinely see the humor across the board, not even both sides, all sides, everyone, which is what a comedian is supposed to do.
00:24:06.200And now, Eliana, yesterday, we were subjected to a day full of leftist media like Jesus is back.
00:24:48.320It's not left wing against right wing.
00:24:50.760This is big government versus the people.
00:24:53.960This is a centralized state versus individual rights, especially if it's political speech, which is the most sacred, protected speech in the First Amendment.
00:25:04.380Jimmy Kimmel broke his silence here last night with a lengthy and a heartfelt monologue.
00:25:08.860Kimmel also delivering a searing defense of free speech.
00:39:10.240There are still plenty of apps you do have access to.
00:39:12.880You still have Spotify to drown out the sound of millions of people cheering as you leave.
00:39:17.960And when no one else wants you, don't forget, there's always your old friend, the Domino's Pizza Tracker.
00:39:22.260Not only did Trump get banned from Twitter, Google, Apple, and Amazon removed the Parler app from their platforms.
00:39:29.860Parler is where all the right-wingers gather to post QAnon sense and misspell the word Parler.
00:39:35.940Trumpers are complaining bitterly that they're being silenced.
00:39:39.220In fact, they won't shut up about being silenced.
00:39:41.360On their three propaganda TV networks, on a thousand conservative radio shows, all over the Internet, they are screaming about being silenced.
00:39:48.920They won't be silent about being silenced.
00:39:51.340I'm like, how does anybody feel sorry for him, Eliana?
00:39:59.000Well, the shoe's on the other foot now.
00:40:01.120And it turns out that when Jimmy Kimmel is silenced, he has a lot of allies going to bad for him.
00:40:08.180There aren't apples to apples simply because the right doesn't have the same levers of control in the media and the same number of voices that will speak out about it.
00:40:20.680And so we heard every voice in the mainstream media come to Jimmy Kimmel's defense, but we didn't hear the same thing when voices on the right were silenced by big tech, Twitter, Facebook, and all the rest during COVID and everything else.
00:40:39.560And that's why people are angry now and why they're happy to see Jimmy Kimmel pulled off the air.
00:40:46.980I mean, I posted this on Twitter yesterday and on Instagram.
00:40:50.520You know, when I got canned at NBC because I asked a question about blackface Halloween costumes and when they went from something that wouldn't get you canceled in the 70s and the 80s to a day when they would.
00:41:00.860And at the time, I didn't know that my own network NBC was recently, like within two years of my comments, actually airing shows with blackface characters, like on Scrubs, among others.
00:41:10.920But in any event, I thought it had gone away as an acceptable practice, 70s and 80s.
00:41:17.840You know, that it changed into a cancelable offense.
00:41:19.960And then I lost my job and everybody in the press was calling me a racist.
00:41:23.660And I was all over newspapers as a racist.
00:41:25.480And do did Jimmy Kimmel, who has, unlike yours truly, actually worn blackface repeatedly in his case as Karl Malone, where he went on his show and spoken ebonics.
00:41:36.680I mean, it was the most racist, offensive thing as Oprah in a fat suit with his black face, darning socks and doing totally offensive behaviors as the fat Oprah.
00:41:49.180Did Jimmy Kimmel say, hey, he had a platform.
00:41:55.060People, the reason I did that and wore those costumes is because there was a day, not in the too distant past, when that wasn't considered universally offensive.
00:42:23.500And therefore, I look forward to watching his show suffer, and as it will, once this initial clamoring around, oh, he's back, dies down, he'll go back to his shitty ratings.
00:42:34.500And his separation from ABC, I believe, is now inevitable.
00:42:39.520I don't think ABC, I don't think Disney wants this headache.
00:42:50.000Now, speaking of leftists who will not tell the truth, we have the ICE situation down in Dallas from yesterday, where some man took a gun and opened fire on an ICE truck and killed two detainees, we believe two, and himself.
00:43:08.180They've gone back and forth on the number.
00:43:10.440It was like, first they said two, and one was in critical.
00:43:13.080Then they said it was one, and the two were in critical.
00:43:15.700In any event, he shot three detainees and then killed himself.
00:43:20.400And it's very clear that the man was anti-ICE because he literally wrote on the bullets, anti-ICE, literally the words anti-ICE.
00:43:33.960So we really didn't have to look far for his motivation.
00:43:37.240It's not unlike what happened in the Charlie Kirk case.
00:43:40.040We find out, by the way, from the FBI today, that's probably by design because he was obsessively searching for information about the Charlie Kirk case prior to committing this heinous crime in which the killer wrote his motivation on his bullet casings.
00:43:55.740So here again, now the left, suddenly they don't accept these pictures.
00:43:59.940Suddenly they don't accept the writing on the bullets.
00:44:02.800You know, Kash Patel must have done it himself.
00:44:04.780They're not going to accept it because it's a motivation that is leftist.
00:44:08.840Then they go to the guy's car yesterday and they search it and he's got literally communist paraphernalia in there.
00:45:14.040And then three days after that shooting, a man opened fire at a Customs and Border Protection facility in McAllen, a border city along the Rio Grande.
00:45:23.980And then in late August, the Dallas ICE office that was the site of yesterday's shooting got a bomb threat where a man at the entrance of the building claimed to have an explosive in his bag.
00:45:33.980Immigration and immigrants have been at the center of the political divide, often portrayed in a negative light.
00:45:39.800And yesterday, some immigrants became victims of this political rhetoric.
00:45:48.800They intentionally kept it vague, Emily, and hard to understand because they don't want to tell you he was clearly motivated by leftist ideology.
00:46:55.860Hold on, I'm trying to find it because I've got 10,000 things in front of me.
00:46:58.160Okay, this says as follows from Kash Patel.
00:47:02.480The perp downloaded a document titled Dallas County Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Management containing a list of DHS facilities.
00:47:08.700He conducted multiple searches of ballistics and the Charlie Kirk shot video between 923 and 924.
00:47:15.040Between August 19th and 824, August 24th, he searched apps that tracked the presence of ICE agents.
00:47:21.700One of the handwritten notes recovered read, quote, hopefully this will give ICE agents real terror to think, is there a sniper with AP rounds on that roof?
00:47:33.040And so, I mean, like I can't I can't go through this again, Emily, where it's like we may never know.
00:47:39.940We, you know, just just general rhetoric about immigration.
00:47:44.100That might be what was in the guy's head.
00:47:46.980And I think also what's even worse in some cases than them openly lying is that they've deluded themselves into believing it actually lets the left off the hook to say,
00:48:00.000well, you know, this guy was just a weirdo.
00:48:04.140He was deep in online spaces, you know, 4chan, whatever, as though that excuses the left.
00:48:12.500Even though when we're looking at the last three heinous acts of political violence that have occurred within the space of basically a month.
00:48:19.700So from Minnesota to Charlie and now Dallas ICE, all of the indications, even if it's meme infested type of propaganda that we find around this shooter,
00:48:32.420even if that's the case, directionally what they're doing is blatantly anti-conservative.
00:48:38.460It is blatantly anti-right violence in every case.
00:48:42.540Now, I'm open to seeing more evidence like it's so such a weird thing to do to just write anti-ICE.
00:48:47.620I would love to know where that comes from and what's going on.
00:48:50.880But it's clearly anti-ICE when you now have the full picture.
00:48:54.080Even as of yesterday, we had an increasingly full picture.
00:49:14.000Well, we're at a place where you can't get the news from the news media.
00:49:17.620I'm looking at a piece in The Hill where it says motive sought in Dallas ICE facility shooting.
00:49:22.680And The New York Times writes, the actual motivation behind the messages written on the bullets in both Mr. Kirk's assassination and Wednesday's killing are still not known.
01:15:59.540So can you speak to that, Emily, and the article you tweeted out, too?
01:16:04.300Yeah, this was – I went back and looked because I'm, like, very interested in this question of contagion.
01:16:09.420I think we all are because it does seem like these events just anecdotally, it feels like they're always clustered around each other.
01:16:14.940And there is pretty good research going back to the 1960s about the contagion effect of political violence.
01:16:22.140The same thing exists when you're looking at school shootings.
01:16:26.080There's a pretty obvious contagion effect that people have studied in academic white papers for a long time.
01:16:32.340So it heightens the importance of being especially careful and responsible right now.
01:16:38.880By the way, that applies to Jimmy Kimmel, who's trying to pin a shooting on MAGA for – in a throwaway line.
01:16:46.720And his monologue wasn't really a throwaway line.
01:16:48.520But the New York Times wrote about this in 1968 as the country felt the same thing that we're all feeling right now,
01:16:54.460which is that this seems like we're in the middle of a cluster phenomenon of people who are being inspired.
01:17:01.720And these – I mean, if you go into the depths of the Internet, you do find people who lionize shooters.
01:17:07.880And these acts of heinous violence become memes.
01:17:12.720And you can see where sick, twisted, lonely, messed-up individuals take this on as actually sort of a weird part of their nihilistic political ideology.
01:17:22.780And that's something people need to be extremely careful about when they're talking in the language of war, literally, as Chris Murphy just did.
01:17:40.060The Gestapo, as someone who knows about history, Jasmine Crockett should know, was responsible for rounding people up and putting them in concentration camps and death camps.
01:17:55.580There is no equivalence between the Gestapo in that sense, which is what most people recognize when they think of the Gestapo and ICE.
01:18:02.840Secondly, there was actually a link between indentured servitude and arguably slavery and the border.
01:18:10.840And it was the millions of people who were being trafficked by the head, by cartels, to the border.
01:18:18.220And Jasmine Crockett did not give a damn for years about the mass trafficking.
01:18:23.860That had people literally as indentured servitudes coming to the United States having to repay the debts to cartels that let them basically take out on credit their own lives to come into the United States and repay them by trafficking drugs and other humans and all of that.
01:18:39.720That they had no concern about whatsoever.
01:20:45.700And I do think we're all suffering some PTSD on it.
01:20:50.120You know, I mean, I think everyone who's at all in the public eye is suffering a bit of PTSD.
01:20:56.120And probably a lot of our audience, too, who aren't in the public eye, just about if you're openly conservative,
01:21:02.200if people know what your politics are, because it's our people that happen to be getting killed right now as political assassins take aim at us.
01:21:08.580And they write on their bullets the very same messages we're hearing all over MSNBC.
01:21:13.120So I feel like we have cause to object to the rhetoric.
01:23:59.260Are you still telling me, even if that's true, it is wildly inappropriate to immediately start pointing the finger, like Jimmy Kimmel, at MAGA as evidence starts stacking up against your own—someone being motivated by anti-conservative, anti-right ideology.
01:24:19.740And there's, like, macro blame and micro blame, and micro blame, I blame the person who pulls the trigger and the people who are complicit in the pulling of the trigger.
01:24:28.080Macro blame is also a valid conversation, and they have been utterly, utterly unwilling since, I would say, the first, like, six hours after what happened to Charlie Kirk, utterly unwilling in the case of what happened in Minnesota.
01:24:42.140And we saw earlier what happened in Nashville that the Biden administration tried to cover up.
01:24:47.220They have been utterly unwilling, in the aftermath of any of these tragedies, to shoulder any serious burden of how their own rhetoric might be responsible in the macro sense.
01:25:00.700And it's like, again, even if—let's just say they're right.
01:25:03.860They're not, but let's say they are, about right-wing violence.
01:25:06.800How disgusting is it, if you're Jimmy Kimmel, to only cry after you get in trouble and to not be in mourning, like, immediately for the—like, this—I think they've just totally underestimated how traumatic what happened to Charlie Kirk was for the country.
01:25:21.160And they got back to, like, yucking it up pretty quickly and pointing the finger.
01:25:25.740And that is insane, and it sucks, and I think it's exposed some really, like, bad people as just bad people.
01:25:35.680All right, ladies, I got to go because I have a segment I'm going to do by myself that you don't need to stick around for, but I love talking to you.
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01:29:05.340As you may know, there is a campaign with which I've had almost nothing to do on Charlie Kirk's feelings about Israel before he was killed.
01:29:18.420We did one segment on the show last Wednesday with the guys from fifth column where I played four minutes of an exchange that Charlie and I had on August 6th about that very subject, because as far as I know, I'm one of the only ones who actually has Charlie on tape talking about that a month before he was killed.
01:29:36.660And so my position is, you don't have to wonder how Charlie was feeling about the situation with Israel.
01:29:47.680And I explained to the audience the reason that I was doing it is because there was a lot of talk about Charlie and Israel.
01:29:54.340Candace Owens had brought it up and others had brought it up.
01:29:57.540And she had reporting about a meeting with Bill Ackman allegedly putting pressure on Charlie to be more pro Israel right after his turning point event.
01:30:05.820I've heard that same reporting from others, but I wasn't weighing in on that one way or the other.
01:30:10.620I wasn't there and I didn't have my own sourcing on that.
01:30:12.980I was just trying to say, if this is in the news right now, I've got him.
01:30:16.420Most people didn't even know we did that interview.
01:30:19.080A lot of people listen to the show, but not everybody.
01:30:30.320But the sum and substance of it was Charlie was saying he did feel unfairly attacked by some who are pro Israel for mild criticism he'd been offering as of late about Israel.
01:32:09.780And this American Jewish Committee puts out the following.
01:32:12.340Charlie Kirk and Megyn Kelly floated the baseless conspiracy theory that Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossad agent and admitted that they had no evidence.
01:32:19.520That doesn't matter because what people will remember is the lie.
01:33:34.980Well, don't try to take a criticism of Israel and make it anti-Semitism because it upsets people who love love our Jewish friends and love Israel.
01:34:02.460And he came out last Wednesday after our show with the Fifth Column guys in which I made clear.
01:34:10.920I made very clear, of course, I am not playing this soundbite from Charlie because I think Israel had any relevance whatsoever when it comes to Charlie's assassination.
01:34:21.740As you know, I'm really clear on who killed Charlie.
01:34:30.820And the Fifth Column and I had the following exchange around that Charlie soundbite and around some of the reporting about the Bill Ackman meeting.
01:35:27.720I said, I don't believe and I know you don't believe that Israel had anything to do with Charlie's murder.
01:35:32.260But we talked about that same strain of like, why is there so much pressure against people who say other things about Israel that are not flattering?
01:35:40.540You know, yes, Tucker's gotten more and more critical of Israel.
01:35:46.100He's gotten very critical of Israel because he is worried about what's happening to Christians over there.
01:35:50.400And he's very worried that the United States is going to get pulled into that war like we almost were when they launched a side war against Iran.
01:36:00.580And when I went on Tucker's show, he and I talked about like the level of pressure on Charlie and on me to like cancel our friends, to stop talking to Tucker.
01:37:04.240Why would you want to silence such a powerful, important voice just because you disagree with them on one subject, one on which we've all watched you sincerely evolve as you grapple with principles you've been espousing for years?
01:37:17.840Like America First, like what's happening to Christians, like what's best for us and our kids here?
01:38:04.100And so as a friend, he's saying to them, the same way I, as a friend, am saying, I am telling you, you've lost Dems independence and you're starting to lose Republicans.
01:38:48.860He tweets out that segment, a piece of it, where I said everybody under 30 is against Israel with Tucker and says such disgusting bullshit, sick and getting sicker.
01:41:35.780And what's more, awed by the strength it must have taken given your state to amplify the paranoid conspiracy theory of a well-known lunatic Jew hater.
01:43:40.080And I happen to know that Charlie felt exactly the same.
01:43:42.180And the reason I happen to know it is because he said it on camera not long before he was killed at one of his events where he was asked about his dear friend Candace Owens.