The Megyn Kelly Show - Kimmel's Smug Double Down, Violent Left Rhetoric, and Free Speech Hypocrisy, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 1157

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.180 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.560 I'm back after a trip to Virginia Tech where I had the honor of speaking to a packed crowd of students there as part of Turning Point's ongoing campus tour.

00:00:25.520 I was supposed to be there with Charlie and his absence was felt acutely.

00:00:34.120 It was one of those things like after he was killed, I had no idea whether they would go forward with the campus tour.

00:00:39.700 I assumed that they wouldn't.

00:00:41.580 And when Erica announced 48 hours after Charlie died that they were not stopping one thing, I stood up and cheered.

00:00:49.300 I know I didn't, I hadn't even considered that they would keep it rolling and I was so inspired by her.

00:00:53.880 And of course there was no hesitation to go forward with it.

00:00:57.180 But I said to the students there last night, it was an act of courage of them to show up because these are kids on campus who are young.

00:01:06.840 And unfortunately, that's where this violence took place on a college campus.

00:01:11.640 And there are too many people that age who are turning dangerous these days.

00:01:16.140 And so for them to show up in an environment where they know it's politically charged and where someone was assassinated two weeks beforehand at an event that has his organization's name on it and that this one did too is an act of courage by these students.

00:01:31.200 And yet, can I show you, let me show you the line.

00:01:34.280 I'm just going to show you the line to get in.

00:01:35.660 Let's roll the tape.

00:01:36.620 The listening audience, it goes on and on and on.

00:01:43.160 I mean, just like it's endless.

00:01:44.540 There were definitely thousands of people there last night.

00:01:46.320 I don't know what the total headcount was, but the auditorium was jam packed.

00:01:50.920 It was standing room only.

00:01:52.060 I went and I got to spend time with Governor Glenn Youngkin of Virginia beforehand, behind the scenes.

00:01:59.620 What a charming man.

00:02:00.840 What a great guy.

00:02:02.360 God, he's got a very bright political future if he ever wants to seek national office.

00:02:06.160 He's going to have to go after J.D.

00:02:07.980 But after that, he would be amazing.

00:02:11.400 He led us here backstage in prayer before we went out.

00:02:14.480 And his words really meant something to me.

00:02:15.980 They actually made me feel a lot better.

00:02:18.420 Anyway, thank you to all the students who were there.

00:02:23.140 We'll get to what happened while I was there in a minute.

00:02:24.920 But thank you to all those who showed up.

00:02:27.820 You know, they said at Charlie's funeral that Charlie used to say,

00:02:30.840 courage is actually easy.

00:02:32.600 All you have to do is say yes.

00:02:34.460 Just say yes and then do the thing.

00:02:36.960 And that's what they did.

00:02:38.500 So I'm honored that they turned out.

00:02:41.320 I'm honored that Turning Point went forward with it and wanted me to appear.

00:02:44.120 And I spoke with Erica about it via text and she wanted me to tell them how proud she was of them

00:02:50.980 and how Turning Point will have their back.

00:02:52.300 I mean, she's thinking about them.

00:02:53.820 Like she's also feeling proud of these students who are turning out at these events.

00:02:57.000 It's, I think, one of the few things that's making her feel a little better

00:02:59.620 in these terrible days that she's going through.

00:03:01.920 So keep that in mind.

00:03:03.020 You know, sign up for these events and get out there.

00:03:05.660 And speaking of Erica Kirk, I want to start today with an update to our Megyn Kelly live tour.

00:03:14.820 We have an addition to our Glendale, Arizona date that's really important for me to tell you about.

00:03:21.600 Joining me for that November 22nd event, the last stop on our tour, will be Erica Kirk.

00:03:28.640 I am so grateful that she has agreed to do it.

00:03:32.420 I believe this will be her first appearance.

00:03:34.080 And her first lengthy sit-down interview in front of a live audience, which is extremely brave on her part.

00:03:43.680 And when I asked her, she did not hesitate for one minute.

00:03:48.400 She's incredible.

00:03:49.500 As you guys know, Charlie was supposed to be there with me.

00:03:52.480 He was actually going to come to Bakersfield, California, but Glendale is her backyard.

00:03:56.300 So this is easy for her and we wanted to keep it as easy as possible.

00:03:58.860 You can get tickets.

00:04:01.140 I recommend you do it right now at megankelly.com.

00:04:04.900 They're already flying off the shelf, but when everybody realizes they're going to see Erica, I mean, it's going to be really tough to get one.

00:04:11.440 So honestly, it's not a marketing thing.

00:04:13.660 I'm not going to have trouble selling tickets for this.

00:04:15.580 I just want you, the Megyn Kelly listeners, to get them first.

00:04:17.940 So go to megankelly.com and get those tickets to see Erica Kirk, last stop of the tour in Glendale, Arizona. 1.00

00:04:25.760 And by the way, find out information and come join us at any of the 10 stops across the country.

00:04:30.220 If Glendale's not close to you, check it out because we're hitting all pockets of the country and I would love to see you.

00:04:36.700 Okay.

00:04:37.260 For now, let's get back to the news.

00:04:38.800 Back with me today, the EJs are here. 0.99

00:04:41.460 Emily Jashinsky, who's host of After Party on the MK Media Podcast Network, and Eliana Johnson.

00:04:48.400 She's an editor, the editor-in-chief of The Free Beacon, who is back with us after a couple of months away with her newborn baby boy.

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00:06:18.380 EJs, welcome back.

00:06:19.640 And, Eliana, congrats.

00:06:21.880 Thank you.

00:06:23.400 Aw, thank you, thank you.

00:06:24.560 It's to your credit that all your appearances on the show, and we never even knew you were pregnant.

00:06:28.560 You did not balloon up like a tick like yours truly did with all three children.

00:06:33.500 Trust me.

00:06:34.160 You've got to move the camera down.

00:06:36.900 Trust me.

00:06:37.220 I did actually run into Eliana at the airport while she was pregnant. 0.86

00:06:40.740 Oh, my gosh.

00:06:42.380 You're pregnant. 0.99

00:06:42.800 We ran into each other, and I ran straight into the bathroom and puked all over myself when I saw Emily. 1.00

00:06:49.100 I couldn't even stop and talk.

00:06:50.580 It was because of me.

00:06:51.580 I had to buy another set of clothes at the airport.

00:06:55.800 Wow.

00:06:56.220 I didn't know she had that strong an effect on people, but, you know, I love her or hate her.

00:06:59.660 She brings out strong emotions.

00:07:02.220 That's so great.

00:07:03.060 I'm thrilled to have you both back together.

00:07:05.760 There's so much going on.

00:07:06.820 I don't even know where to begin, but I guess I'm going to start.

00:07:09.960 Hopefully, the audience will forgive me because we were not live yesterday.

00:07:12.680 I was on my way down to Virginia Tech, so we aired our interview that we did a week earlier with Matthew McConaughey, which is actually really interesting.

00:07:20.520 I hope people listen to it if they missed it.

00:07:22.760 So I did not get the chance to talk about Jimmy Kimmel's return, and I have a few things I want to say about it, and I'd love to get your takes on it, too.

00:07:29.700 He did go back to the airwaves on Tuesday night and was a self-pitying baby.

00:07:38.260 That was my take on it.

00:07:39.600 Boo effing hoo. 1.00

00:07:41.840 He almost cried for himself.

00:07:44.920 He wasn't sorry about what he said about MAGA breeding the Charlie Kirk shooter, which was a lie.

00:07:51.400 And the reason I know is because he didn't correct the record, nor did he apologize.

00:07:57.040 It was unbelievable.

00:07:58.160 He got there and cried and whined for himself.

00:08:01.760 Hold on.

00:08:02.440 My audience is going to show that.

00:08:04.000 I think it's either it's Sop 4, I think, where he's blubbering on.

00:08:09.940 But if I'm not right, team, you pick the right one.

00:08:14.040 I've been hearing a lot about what I need to say and do tonight.

00:08:17.300 And the truth is, I don't think what I have to say is going to make much of a difference.

00:08:21.560 If you like me, you like me.

00:08:22.520 If you don't, you don't.

00:08:23.380 I have no illusions about changing anyone's mind.

00:08:25.920 But I do want to make something clear because it's important to me as a human.

00:08:29.280 And that is, you understand that it was never my intention to make light of the murder of a young man.

00:08:36.620 I don't think there's anything funny about it.

00:08:45.140 Okay.

00:08:47.300 Do we have the original sin soundbite?

00:08:50.280 Can we play that?

00:08:51.160 Because what he did was make light of the murder of a young man.

00:08:56.340 He absolutely made light of Charlie Kirk's murder.

00:09:00.240 He made a joke out of it.

00:09:01.740 He ripped on MAGA, which was suffering and grieving.

00:09:05.160 And he thought that they would be a fun target to mock and then suggested they were the ones who did this.

00:09:11.660 That this guy was MAGA, which was a lie.

00:09:14.460 So he may not have intended to do that, but that's exactly what he did.

00:09:19.600 This wasn't fodder for jokes.

00:09:21.400 And he treated it like it was.

00:09:23.280 Do we have it?

00:09:27.400 No, it's standby.

00:09:28.220 We're getting it.

00:09:28.760 We're pulling it over.

00:09:30.180 In the meantime, I'll show you one other.

00:09:32.560 Sot7.

00:09:33.040 On Sunday, Erica Kirk forgave the man who shot her husband.

00:09:40.160 She forgave him.

00:09:41.780 That is an example we should follow.

00:09:44.200 If you believe in the teachings of Jesus, as I do, there it was.

00:09:54.200 That's it.

00:09:56.160 A selfless act of grace.

00:09:58.660 Forgiveness from a grieving widow.

00:10:01.160 It touched me deeply.

00:10:05.340 He's crying for himself.

00:10:07.300 It touches many.

00:10:09.140 And if there's anything we should take from this tragedy to carry forward, I hope it can be that.

00:10:14.880 Not this.

00:10:16.320 Is crying for himself.

00:10:18.340 And on top of it, the reason he's speaking about Erica Kirk's call for forgiveness, her willingness to forgive,

00:10:26.000 is because he wants everyone to forgive him without actually apologizing or owning up to what he did.

00:10:31.480 That's why he's so deeply touched by it.

00:10:33.140 That he's basically saying, forgive me.

00:10:35.600 Let me off the hook.

00:10:36.780 I deserve forgiveness.

00:10:38.040 Though he doesn't even acknowledge what he actually did.

00:10:40.800 And in the context of this whole thing, actually doubles down by ripping on MAGA and conservatives here in Sot3.

00:10:52.020 I want to thank the people who don't support my show and what I believe, but support my right to share those beliefs anyway.

00:10:59.820 I don't think I've ever said this before, but Ted Cruz is right.

00:11:17.420 Even though I don't agree with many of those people on most subjects, some of the things they say even make me want to throw up.

00:11:26.140 It takes courage for them to speak out against this administration.

00:11:29.740 And they did, and they deserve credit for it.

00:11:31.880 And thanks.

00:11:33.800 See, that's how he had to do it.

00:11:35.740 They make me want to barf, but appreciate the support with no apology whatsoever.

00:11:41.320 And last but not least, then he comes out, and we do have the original sin that caused all the trouble.

00:11:47.100 I'm going to play that, and then I'm going to play sound by five.

00:11:49.240 So first, let's watch what got him in trouble last week.

00:11:52.980 We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them.

00:12:01.980 And doing everything they can to score political points from it.

00:12:05.400 So he did it.

00:12:07.180 He was making light of it.

00:12:08.380 He absolutely was making light of it.

00:12:10.160 It just wasn't funny, and it wasn't true.

00:12:12.160 And now he comes out and says this in South 5.

00:12:15.860 I posted a message on Instagram on the day he was killed, sending love to his family and asking for compassion.

00:12:21.560 And I meant it, and I still do.

00:12:23.760 Nor was it my intention to blame any specific group for the actions of what it was obviously a deeply disturbed individual.

00:12:31.720 That was really the opposite of the point I was trying to make.

00:12:34.780 But I understand that to some that felt either ill-timed or unclear, or maybe both.

00:12:39.440 And for those who think I did point a finger, I get why you're upset.

00:12:43.920 If the situation was reversed, there's a good chance I'd have felt the same way.

00:12:47.480 I don't think the murderer who shot Charlie Kirk represents anyone.

00:12:51.580 This was a sick person who believed violence was a solution, and it isn't.

00:12:56.560 Okay, okay.

00:12:57.420 Ever.

00:12:59.220 Okay.

00:13:00.220 He didn't represent anyone.

00:13:01.440 That's because he was a leftist.

00:13:02.640 If this guy had right-wing messages on those bullet casings, you think Jimmy Kimmel would be saying, oh, he's just sick.

00:13:08.460 He didn't represent anyone.

00:13:09.640 If it's a leftist, then all the messaging, all of their political ideology, it's irrelevant.

00:13:15.840 It's irrelevant.

00:13:16.720 That's what's so interesting about this particular assassination when we talk about motivation,

00:13:20.900 is that this guy actually doesn't seem to be a lunatic.

00:13:24.400 That guy who shot up the Minneapolis school and church with the young children seemed like a lunatic.

00:13:30.160 He seemed possessed to me, to be honest.

00:13:32.220 But that guy was a nut who obviously was trans and all the other problems. 1.00

00:13:36.320 But this guy doesn't seem like a nut.

00:13:38.680 He seems very high-functioning.

00:13:40.040 There are no reports about him being crazy.

00:13:41.700 He was a political assassin, plain and simple, and was no more crazy than anybody who takes murder as an option is crazy.

00:13:50.980 And he won't acknowledge that.

00:13:52.540 I don't think he represents anybody.

00:13:54.520 Yes.

00:13:54.800 No, he does.

00:13:55.560 He was indoctrinated by the left, by rhetoric from the left, rhetoric that Jimmy Kimmel espouses all the time.

00:14:01.600 I thought it was a total fail, Emily.

00:14:03.800 The whole thing was a fail.

00:14:05.240 And all the blubbering was for himself.

00:14:08.140 It wasn't for Erica Kirk.

00:14:09.780 It wasn't for Charlie.

00:14:10.840 It certainly wasn't for MAGA, whom he has insulted and wrongly blamed.

00:14:16.240 And the whole talk of forgiveness was a plea to the broadcasters and the affiliates for himself.

00:14:23.120 The whole thing was about one thing.

00:14:25.320 Here it is.

00:14:27.460 Me!

00:14:29.900 Yeah.

00:14:31.100 Your thoughts.

00:14:32.320 Well, now that we just watched all of those clips again, it occurred to me that emotion is completely misplaced

00:14:39.060 when you compare with how he reacted in the aftermath.

00:14:43.260 When you juxtapose it with the clip of him pointing the finger at MAGA, which is just like obviously verifiably what he did.

00:14:51.320 And we had Michael Knowles on After Party last night.

00:14:53.440 He was saying that is actually what upset people.

00:14:55.840 There have been a million jokes made in the aftermath of the assassination.

00:15:00.460 And people have taken issue with them and been like, that's gross.

00:15:04.440 But what sent people through the roof about Jimmy Kimmel was specifically that he was spreading in this weird claptor line a lie.

00:15:12.860 He was spreading something that was untrue at the time that he said it.

00:15:15.860 Everybody knew it was untrue and that it's a damaging lie.

00:15:18.500 And that's particularly what was pissing people off.

00:15:21.320 Now, watching it back compared to him crying after he got in trouble, it occurs to me he should have been crying through his monologues

00:15:30.000 when he was talking about this a couple of days after it happened, not after he got in trouble.

00:15:35.760 It's actually like really – it's sort of strange to see him crying now and acting as though this is an act of bravery,

00:15:43.620 that this is him performing when it really is just him performing in the aftermath of what happened with him getting in trouble,

00:15:50.960 not the aftermath of the national trauma that even people on the left went through when they saw someone get shot in cold blood.

00:15:59.120 Yeah.

00:15:59.780 I mean, you know who actually shed some tears for Charlie Kirk on the left?

00:16:04.580 Jamie Lee Curtis.

00:16:06.000 She is somebody who said, I disagreed with him on everything, but a young man was shot, a father, a 31-year-old,

00:16:11.500 and actually shed tears, a totally appropriate human reaction.

00:16:14.960 Jimmy Kimmel didn't shed tears over Charlie Kirk.

00:16:17.020 He cried for himself because he almost lost his precious show, Eliana.

00:16:22.580 That's why he was able to work up that emotion into his voice because, oh, my God,

00:16:27.240 I'm not going to be on this stage under the Klieg lights anymore.

00:16:31.720 I think what was enraging about the faux apology is that what he said was, I didn't mean to make light of this.

00:16:39.960 Well, I have to say, that's not what was upsetting to me or I think many others about this.

00:16:45.860 It's that what he said wasn't a joke.

00:16:49.240 He said, MAGA's trying to pretend that it wasn't one of them who did this.

00:16:55.060 That wasn't a joke.

00:16:56.600 He was serious about that.

00:16:58.360 And then his apology was, oh, I didn't mean to do that, rather than I'm sorry for what I did.

00:17:04.160 And he did blame a specific group for the murder.

00:17:09.900 And he says, for those of you who think I pointed a finger, I get why you're upset.

00:17:14.840 He did point a finger and he pointed it at the wrong group.

00:17:19.960 So we got a phony apology.

00:17:22.780 And then he said, thank you for standing up, you know, against the Trump government for my right to say this.

00:17:32.300 And look, I personally wish that Brendan Carr and the FCC hadn't inserted himself, themselves into this.

00:17:41.240 But what's really playing out here is a dynamic between the liberal Hollywood elites, Disney, Bob Iger on the one hand, and conservative-owned local stations on the other.

00:17:54.640 If it really was the Trump government keeping Jimmy Kimmel off the air, he wouldn't be back on.

00:18:00.840 And we still have local stations keeping him off.

00:18:04.260 And I have to say, we have now the mainstream media heralding how many people tuned in to see Jimmy Kimmel's monologue.

00:18:14.020 Six million viewers tuned in to see Jimmy Kimmel.

00:18:17.520 Look, even I, who've never, literally never watched his show, was interested to hear what he was going to say last night or two nights ago.

00:18:25.480 Yeah, of course, it was a news event.

00:18:25.880 Okay, yeah, so like, no big deal.

00:18:28.480 Um, now we have a standoff between liberal Hollywood and the conservative station owners who are sick and tired of having 10 hours a week between Jimmy Kimmel on the one hand and The View on the other shoved down their throats every day.

00:18:44.760 Not to mention what happens on World News Tonight with David Muir.

00:18:48.120 Yeah, of course.

00:18:48.700 We all saw his bias at that presidential debate.

00:18:51.060 Everybody knows exactly where he stands, as well as that co-host of his, Lindsay Davis.

00:18:56.920 With his pinned tight t-shirt and jacket going through the flood.

00:19:01.880 Don't get me started.

00:19:02.980 Don't get me started.

00:19:04.880 Cinching the waist.

00:19:06.400 Yeah.

00:19:06.680 Even I don't cinch the waist when I go out to a disaster zone.

00:19:10.040 And his friend, Matt Gutman.

00:19:12.040 And now here is, oh, Matt Gutman, and how beautiful the texts were between the Charlie assassin and his gay, trans, furry lover.

00:19:23.120 Furry.

00:19:23.580 So touching.

00:19:24.400 It was so touching.

00:19:25.480 Good job, ABC.

00:19:27.600 So let's see.

00:19:28.660 Maybe Kimmel's now had a change of heart.

00:19:30.680 Maybe he's going to have a different type of program now that he comes back and he's trying to understand MAGA.

00:19:35.740 And he's so grateful to Ted Cruz and Candace Owens and Clay Travis.

00:19:39.580 Let's see what he did last night.

00:19:41.280 Sot 10.

00:19:43.500 For those who think I go too hard on Donald Trump, to the point where there are still a lot of people who think I should be pulled off the air for making fun of Donald Trump.

00:19:52.200 So I want to explain.

00:19:53.160 I talk about Trump more than anything because he's a bully.

00:19:56.860 I don't like bullies.

00:19:58.020 I played the clarinet in high school, okay?

00:20:00.080 So I just don't like him.

00:20:03.560 Donald Trump is an old-fashioned 80s movie-style bully taking your lunch money.

00:20:08.840 And if you give it to him once, he'll take it again.

00:20:11.300 Two things he loves, lunch and money.

00:20:14.480 He will take that peanut butter and jelly sandwich your mom cut in half like a triangle for you.

00:20:19.180 He will gobble it up in front of your face.

00:20:21.260 And then he'll eat your little Ziploc bag of Oreos, too.

00:20:24.300 And he'll take the note your mother put in your lunchbox and he'll read it aloud to everyone.

00:20:28.720 Oh, look, Mommy loves her widow boy.

00:20:31.260 And then he'll smile with a bunch of cookies in his teeth.

00:20:35.300 And he'll grab you by your nipples and he'll twist them until you have two holes in your LaTegra shirt because your parents couldn't afford an Izod. 0.99

00:20:45.240 And he'll stuff you in a locker and he'll stomp on your trapper keeper and slam the door.

00:20:50.340 That is Donald Trump, okay?

00:20:52.420 This is so ridiculous.

00:20:53.960 You know, like, I feel like, like, Emily, you are genuinely funny.

00:21:00.080 You've made me laugh out loud many times on your show, After Party with Emily Jashinsky.

00:21:05.760 I'm mildly amusing.

00:21:07.200 Eliana, I think you're funny, too.

00:21:08.400 You're very clever.

00:21:10.440 However, I would never think that because I'm occasionally funny, I could host a late night show.

00:21:16.900 I would never think I could go out there and do Jimmy Kimmel's.

00:21:19.280 I just wouldn't.

00:21:20.320 And it has dawned on me in watching all these clips because I don't watch his show either.

00:21:24.280 He's not funny either.

00:21:26.040 Like, I could totally do this.

00:21:27.860 I've been too hard on myself.

00:21:29.460 All three of us could go out there and host a non-funny show where we just say political thoughts.

00:21:34.420 We actually do that for a living already.

00:21:36.160 How is this comedy?

00:21:38.040 How are people giving him the excuse that he's a comedian?

00:21:40.300 He's not even trying to be funny.

00:21:41.760 That's just some weird, long, rambling, like, Twitter post about the nipples and the trapper keeper.

00:21:47.520 It's not even arguably clever.

00:21:49.980 But the point is he's back to himself, Emily.

00:21:53.200 He's learned nothing.

00:21:55.020 He's just glad that he dodged a show-killing bullet, unlike our friend Charlie, who didn't dodge a life-killing one, which is really the issue now, isn't it?

00:22:06.240 And the framing in the clip that we just watched is him saying, people want me off of the air because I make jokes about Donald Trump.

00:22:14.520 That is not true.

00:22:15.820 Literally nobody wants him off of the air because he makes jokes about Donald Trump.

00:22:19.160 You know who actually makes a lot of jokes about Donald Trump?

00:22:21.400 Donald Trump.

00:22:22.260 Even people close to Donald Trump make jokes about Donald Trump that he will occasionally clearly be amused by.

00:22:28.120 He was the one who went on Fallon and had his hair ruffled.

00:22:31.340 Nobody is mad about jokes about Donald Trump.

00:22:33.540 People are mad that all Jimmy Kimmel has grown into.

00:22:36.640 Someone who I would say actually used to be funny when he was out there with Carolla doing The Man Show, he grew into this audience-captured Trump obsessive over the last 10 years who only talks about Donald Trump.

00:22:51.720 That's what people are annoyed with.

00:22:53.340 They want to tune into late-night shows to see something that's genuinely going to make them laugh.

00:22:59.080 Now, some of that has shifted with the business models in that Colbert and Kimmel have developed these really intensely political audiences because it's just a much smaller piece of the pie than late-night was getting even 20 years ago.

00:23:10.940 And so you get the resistance wine moms tuning in for their nightly dose of affirmation from these guys.

00:23:17.380 So part of it is that, but nobody who's protesting ABC or is mad at their local Sinclair station or Nexstar station, for example, if they end up seeing Kimmel back on the air, those audiences in more conservative communities, they aren't mad at Kimmel for making jokes about Trump.

00:23:34.560 They're mad at Kimmel for only making jokes about Donald Trump, for finding much less humor in the very hilarious Democrats and for there being this wildly disproportional focus on Trump and MAGA,

00:23:46.400 which is exactly what brings us back to the line that got him in trouble, pointing the finger at MAGA, because he is blinded by his own ideological fixations in a way that makes him unfunny.

00:23:58.720 He can't genuinely see the humor across the board, not even both sides, all sides, everyone, which is what a comedian is supposed to do.

00:24:06.200 And now, Eliana, yesterday, we were subjected to a day full of leftist media like Jesus is back.

00:24:15.620 He's back. Thank God.

00:24:18.060 Jimmy Kimmel went back on and gave the greatest monologue in human history.

00:24:22.800 Eliana, here's just a little taste in SOT 13.

00:24:27.060 He doesn't really want this to be about him.

00:24:30.120 He has been thrust into this bigger and, frankly, more consequential role.

00:24:35.860 He's trying to talk about free speech rights, not for late night talk show hosts, but for all Americans.

00:24:41.980 Lengthy and emotional monologue.

00:24:44.080 This was a comeback in every sense of the word.

00:24:47.200 It's framed perfectly.

00:24:48.320 It's not left wing against right wing.

00:24:50.760 This is big government versus the people.

00:24:53.960 This is a centralized state versus individual rights, especially if it's political speech, which is the most sacred, protected speech in the First Amendment.

00:25:04.380 Jimmy Kimmel broke his silence here last night with a lengthy and a heartfelt monologue.

00:25:08.860 Kimmel also delivering a searing defense of free speech.

00:25:12.160 We're glad to see Jimmy back.

00:25:13.300 I'm glad to see Jimmy back on air.

00:25:14.880 That's where we're going to begin.

00:25:16.040 It was a triumphant return for late night host Jimmy Kimmel.

00:25:19.660 Last night's show was emotional.

00:25:21.240 It was passionate.

00:25:22.120 Ultimately, it was a tribute to free speech.

00:25:25.400 Oh, my Lord.

00:25:27.060 I can't.

00:25:28.880 Thoughts on that one?

00:25:31.000 I mean, precisely, I think what we would expect.

00:25:34.900 And the truth is, this isn't it's not worth the attention that it's getting in in the mainstream.

00:25:40.320 But it's also not.

00:25:41.580 I think the framing is is off because the real story now is the standoff, as I mentioned before,

00:25:48.700 between liberal Hollywood, ABC News and the local stations, which are still not carrying

00:25:55.540 him.

00:25:56.440 And so next star and Sinclair, which is some 22 percent of his audience.

00:26:00.480 Next star and Sinclair.

00:26:01.280 Exactly.

00:26:02.320 And so this story is still going to play out.

00:26:04.840 And it is no longer about free speech.

00:26:06.760 It's about business to the point you were just making, Emily, about, you know, how how biased

00:26:12.440 these late night programs are and how the flyover country that is represented by Sinclair and

00:26:18.220 next star that they've had it.

00:26:19.720 This was tweeted out by a couple of people yesterday, but it's a it's a tally of the

00:26:26.300 guest list on the late night shows from just January 2023.

00:26:30.900 You saw this through July of 2025.

00:26:33.420 And here's here's the sampling.

00:26:36.240 Stephen Colbert has a number of liberals or Democrats, 176 number of conservatives or Republicans.

00:26:42.160 One, the Daily Show, 157 Democrats, nine conservatives.

00:26:50.980 Seth Meyers, 68 Democrats, zero Republicans or conservatives.

00:26:57.220 Jimmy Kimmel, 58 liberals or Democrats.

00:27:00.240 How many Republicans or conservatives has he has had?

00:27:03.140 Two, two for Jimmy Kimmel to 58 Dems.

00:27:06.420 Fallon, 41 Dems, two Republicans.

00:27:09.320 Trevor Noah, seven Democrats, zero Republicans.

00:27:13.440 James Corden, four Democrats, zero Republicans.

00:27:16.440 The ultimate tally is five hundred and eleven Democrats, 14 Republicans.

00:27:23.540 This isn't this is not any attempt to be funny.

00:27:28.000 This is attempt and attempt to drive votes by all of those guys.

00:27:32.420 We've been living it firsthand for years now.

00:27:35.800 You could go back before 2023 and the numbers would be just as bad, which is why Sinclair and

00:27:42.600 Nexstar are holding the line because they're not getting tons of phone calls from Jimmy Kimmel

00:27:48.060 fans saying, where's my Jimmy Kimmel?

00:27:50.260 I want to watch it tonight.

00:27:51.280 Or they would be changing their decision.

00:27:54.920 Yeah.

00:27:55.040 I mean, this is a pivotal moment in television history, I think, as silly as that may sound,

00:27:59.980 because what you're seeing is the sorting patterns that are going to come once.

00:28:03.340 Whether or not somebody has like a broadcast license and the scarce airwaves of the 1960s,

00:28:08.840 for example, when that model is blown up, what we're going to see is much more partisan

00:28:12.940 or ideological sorting because people have more choice and people are going to go to places

00:28:18.240 where they have more choice.

00:28:19.180 Still, though, even still, what Jimmy Kimmel could be doing is something a lot more like

00:28:24.000 what Greg Gutfeld, who I think gets higher numbers than him, does, which is actually have.

00:28:28.400 He does.

00:28:28.800 It's not like he's throwing a lot.

00:28:30.500 And it's not like Gutfeld's like throwing a million libs at his viewers all of the time.

00:28:34.200 But actually, they do have conversations with people who like Trump, don't like Trump.

00:28:37.760 And it's funny to see it like picked apart from both sides to audience members who actually

00:28:42.860 like just want to laugh.

00:28:45.160 And yes, it's very political.

00:28:46.260 But there's actually a bigger market than they realize for for humor that isn't just

00:28:52.960 obsessively fixated on Donald Trump.

00:28:54.900 They would probably be doing better if they weren't obsessively fixated on Donald Trump.

00:28:58.780 And that's what I think the Nextar Sinclair protest is showing.

00:29:03.500 I think Nextar's merger question is salient.

00:29:05.440 I'm more with Ted Cruz and the Brendan Carr stuff.

00:29:07.640 But all of that is to say what we're seeing right now genuinely is these stations with more

00:29:12.960 conservative audiences say, we do not need to air you.

00:29:16.120 It's not good for our business to air you right now.

00:29:19.100 So, Disney, why don't you respond to us instead of all of the like 400 Hollywood people who

00:29:24.380 signed their letter casting Kimmel as a victim of a free speech issue when in reality you are

00:29:30.860 really looking at a culture war business conversation?

00:29:33.860 OK, but I disagree with both of you on Brendan Carr.

00:29:36.780 I'm totally in favor of what happened here.

00:29:39.140 If Brendan Carr hadn't done what he did, then it is not at all clear to me that Jimmy Kimmel

00:29:42.940 would have been pulled for those five days.

00:29:44.520 I don't know.

00:29:45.340 I really don't know.

00:29:46.220 But he did rattle the cage.

00:29:48.020 I'm sure they were getting tons of calls from their viewers saying, I'm angry about what

00:29:51.640 they saw in there.

00:29:52.460 But what Brendan Carr basically did was empower the affiliates to make an independent decision,

00:29:56.760 something they didn't feel empowered to do prior to Brendan being like, hey, yo, you know,

00:30:00.580 there is this obligation to air programming in the public interest.

00:30:04.820 And that's I'm the person who oversees that.

00:30:07.600 And suddenly you had two affiliates saying, you know what?

00:30:09.740 You're right.

00:30:10.180 We are empowered to say no.

00:30:11.260 Goodbye, Jimmy.

00:30:11.780 And they're holding the line even after they put him back on the air.

00:30:16.580 And Brendan Carr has completely like stood down on whatever threat he offered on Benny

00:30:20.740 Johnson.

00:30:21.040 So they did not need to do it to please him.

00:30:23.040 But they're standing by the decision.

00:30:24.460 But I don't know that they would have in the first place.

00:30:26.440 My simple point is we as conservatives are better off or independent mind is whatever

00:30:32.140 you how you describe yourself.

00:30:34.600 We're better off now than we were a week ago.

00:30:36.860 It is a good thing for America that Jimmy Kimmel was off the air for five nights and that

00:30:40.560 the leftists felt one tiny dose of what we have been feeling for years on the right for

00:30:45.940 years.

00:30:46.560 How many of our people have been canceled and we don't get canceled and put back on the

00:30:49.840 air for five days?

00:30:51.020 Trust me.

00:30:51.980 OK, trust me.

00:30:53.460 Some of us have to work our asses off from ground zero to rebuild our careers from nothing.

00:30:57.960 And people like Jimmy Kimmel have been celebrating, celebrating when all of us get canceled for

00:31:03.980 nothing, for much less than what he did.

00:31:06.920 And the censorship that went on during the Biden years over the social media companies

00:31:11.800 during covid, George Floyd, a palooza, everybody's YouTube being pulled because they said the wrong

00:31:17.460 thing about January 6th.

00:31:19.240 F these people just this week.

00:31:20.700 Google reinstated all these YouTube accounts and had pulled for misinformation during those

00:31:24.660 dark years of the Biden administration.

00:31:27.560 Our people have been having this happen to them for years and not for five nights.

00:31:32.060 So for five nights, they experienced what it's like to be a conservative.

00:31:35.800 And don't tell me the government hasn't gotten involved when their people get censored, when

00:31:39.440 our people get censored, because that's what was happening during covid.

00:31:42.340 That's what happened.

00:31:42.900 The social media companies did censor us because they had pressure from the Biden administration

00:31:47.160 and the Biden White House had a conference about a press conference.

00:31:50.540 It's on camera.

00:31:51.500 They admitted it, not to mention Zuckerberg has been on camera admitting it.

00:31:55.140 Google on paper admitted it yesterday.

00:31:56.760 We know this to be true from the Twitter files, et cetera.

00:32:00.100 So I'm going to laptop the Hunter Biden left.

00:32:02.640 That's another one.

00:32:03.460 So how dare they?

00:32:05.440 How dare they look at us and ask us to cry tears and say, live up your principles, free

00:32:10.320 speech?

00:32:11.100 No, suck it. 1.00

00:32:12.860 Have a taste of our medicine.

00:32:15.280 Now you'll feel what we feel.

00:32:17.040 Just a tiny little ounce of it, and maybe that will stop you from abusing your powers when

00:32:23.920 you inevitably return to government, to being in charge of government.

00:32:27.700 It's the only way.

00:32:29.680 It's like the lawfare.

00:32:30.940 They won't stop unless Comey gets prosecuted.

00:32:34.300 Letitia James needs to get prosecuted. 1.00

00:32:36.480 Adam Schiff needs to get prosecuted, assuming that they have a good faith basis for the charges.

00:32:41.180 There is no other way of restoring things to normal.

00:32:45.180 We all want the same thing.

00:32:46.200 All three of us want the same thing.

00:32:47.680 We want free speech.

00:32:48.720 We don't want people going after hate speech.

00:32:50.340 We don't want lawfare used against political candidates.

00:32:52.800 It's a question of tactics right now.

00:32:55.760 Well, Megan, I think you are articulating the views and the sentiment and certainly the

00:33:01.580 emotions of most Trump voters who have zero patience for the sort of constitutional

00:33:07.360 regulatory arguments that Ted Cruz was articulating.

00:33:12.020 And for those of us like Emily and I, I think, who say we wish Brendan Carr hadn't gotten involved.

00:33:17.860 It's not good for the government to do these sorts of things.

00:33:20.700 They would say, just as you have, that this stuff has already happened and it's happened

00:33:26.320 to folks on the right.

00:33:27.420 And so here's a taste of your own medicine.

00:33:30.040 I, for one, am skeptical that we that giving them a taste of their own medicine will return

00:33:36.540 things to normal.

00:33:37.300 But I'm certainly sympathetic to your view.

00:33:40.200 Well, just quickly on that, I actually think ABC would have taken Kimmel or I'm sorry,

00:33:46.780 Disney would have taken Kimmel off of the air without what Brendan Carr said.

00:33:50.400 I think they were probably going to do it anyway because Sinclair and Nexstar were under

00:33:53.980 significant pressure and the tensions were so high.

00:33:57.860 And my position, honestly, you can make a good case for that.

00:34:01.080 Yeah.

00:34:01.440 And my position, honestly, is we don't need to have the public interest standard for broadcasting

00:34:05.600 licenses anymore.

00:34:06.520 I think people disagree with that, but I just think everything has been so democratized

00:34:10.460 and fractured that it's not the 1960s.

00:34:12.480 We really don't need to have that.

00:34:14.100 But overall, I agree.

00:34:15.860 Like I have the sentiments here just to think about the Hunter Biden laptop.

00:34:19.680 There are a lot of disingenuous arguments being made on the left from people are openly

00:34:22.760 being dishonest, but also people who are completely ignorant because they didn't follow these stories

00:34:26.800 during the Biden administration.

00:34:28.440 Sean Davis at the Federalist reported years ago that actually a CIA email address was being

00:34:33.820 used in the process of collecting those signatories for the 51 former intelligence agents who came

00:34:39.900 out and said the Hunter Biden laptop had all of the hallmarks of Russian disinformation, knowing

00:34:43.480 full well that it would lead to suppression of the story of a piece of legitimate journalism

00:34:48.620 within the spirit of the First Amendment, which is insane a month before a presidential election.

00:34:53.520 So what you have there is an example, actually, of government being involved in the process.

00:34:58.800 Is it apples to apples?

00:34:59.840 No, nothing's apples to apples.

00:35:00.980 Want to know why?

00:35:01.860 Because there's no freaking conservative late night host on ABC, NBC or CBS who could

00:35:07.100 possibly be censored by the FCC.

00:35:09.180 Like that's not a thing that exists.

00:35:11.220 There's no conservative news anchor at any of those networks who could be censored.

00:35:15.140 Who's the conservative David Muir?

00:35:16.520 Tell me there isn't.

00:35:17.660 No, there is.

00:35:18.060 So what do you mean like it's going to be flipped around?

00:35:20.860 It already has been like that is abundantly true.

00:35:23.760 I have to tell you about this conversation.

00:35:25.340 I don't think these guys would mind, but I had a conversation with Benny Johnson and Jack

00:35:28.320 Posobiec at Charlie's memorial, and they were very close to Charlie.

00:35:32.820 They both spoke at the funeral, and they were amazing.

00:35:36.440 Both of them were incredible, very moving remarks.

00:35:38.820 They knew him very well.

00:35:40.600 And I was very moved by what they said to me just privately.

00:35:45.200 Like they had a lot of thoughts on where we are in terms of this fight, and they're angry.

00:35:50.100 They're angry about what's happened to Charlie like I am.

00:35:52.540 I feel it too.

00:35:54.220 And one of them said something, and I thought I liked it.

00:35:58.280 It was in no way meant to be like a sexist comment.

00:36:01.480 It was about like tactics.

00:36:04.400 And they were on the same page as I am in terms of where we go next now, where we go next,

00:36:10.860 now that our people are actually getting killed before our very eyes.

00:36:13.160 And I can't remember which one of them said it, forgive me, but they said something to

00:36:18.000 the effect of, right now, we need the men to take control.

00:36:23.400 Like, let the men get this.

00:36:26.440 And what they meant by it was, we can't have softness making the decisions about where we

00:36:31.700 go from here.

00:36:32.380 We need hard edges at this point to fight these lunatics on the left who are getting our

00:36:36.900 people killed.

00:36:37.780 And it's not a time for olive branches.

00:36:40.320 It's not a time for standing down or downshifting.

00:36:43.600 It's a time for actual rhetorical battle.

00:36:46.740 They're not talking about hurting anybody physically, obviously.

00:36:48.780 They're talking about no mercy on these fights that we're having.

00:36:52.600 And I could not be more aligned with that.

00:36:57.160 I just, I really like Ted Cruz.

00:36:59.220 I've always liked Ted Cruz.

00:37:00.380 I actually began the Kelly file with him as my first guest.

00:37:03.120 I actually launched this show.

00:37:04.560 He was one of my very first guests.

00:37:06.380 But I totally disagree with him.

00:37:08.180 I totally disagree with his Wall Street Journal approach.

00:37:10.720 I know why he's doing it.

00:37:11.960 He considers himself a principled conservative and he's standing by his ideals.

00:37:15.160 But the ideals remain.

00:37:17.280 This is a question of tactics and how to affect them.

00:37:19.900 And I disagree that taking the high road is working for us.

00:37:23.520 It isn't.

00:37:24.780 OK, so that's that.

00:37:27.520 We've got to keep going.

00:37:28.580 I do want to show one thing.

00:37:30.380 Jimmy Kimmel never saw a conservative get canceled that he didn't celebrate ever.

00:37:35.740 Just a just a walk down memory lane.

00:37:37.980 So you can see how he behaved when, for example, Tucker Carlson got fired from Fox.

00:37:44.980 Fox News has severed bow ties with Tucker Carlson.

00:37:50.120 After all these years, they are parting ways, which means he was fired.

00:37:55.160 I mean, that's really what parting ways means.

00:37:57.380 Tucker couldn't be reached for comment.

00:38:01.120 He's already on a plane to Moscow to meet with his manager.

00:38:03.420 But what a shock.

00:38:05.760 I mean, what an absolutely delightful shock this is.

00:38:09.480 Now Tucker can spend more time at home canning his testicles and touching himself to that sexy green M&M.

00:38:16.340 Sadly, he's probably not done poisoning old people's brains. 0.99

00:38:19.740 The question now is where will he do it next?

00:38:21.780 Will he go to OAN?

00:38:22.680 Will he go to Newsmax?

00:38:23.800 Will he crawl back up Satan's fiery b-hole from once he came?

00:38:27.280 We don't know one of the most despicable mother Tuckers ever to appear on American television. 1.00

00:38:34.680 And Tucker got fired for nothing.

00:38:37.220 Tucker hadn't said some terrible thing about the other side the night before that everybody was focusing on him.

00:38:42.960 Like, what are they going to do about Tucker?

00:38:44.620 What's happening?

00:38:45.240 No, to this day, we've never had a clear reason for why they separated with Tucker.

00:38:49.500 But he loved to watch him lose his job.

00:38:51.880 He was thrilled about it.

00:38:53.420 And here he is about Trump getting banned from all social media.

00:38:57.860 All social media under pressure from the government.

00:39:01.940 Here he is.

00:39:03.720 Trump has been suspended from Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and even Snapchat.

00:39:08.320 But don't worry, Mr. President.

00:39:10.240 There are still plenty of apps you do have access to.

00:39:12.880 You still have Spotify to drown out the sound of millions of people cheering as you leave.

00:39:17.960 And when no one else wants you, don't forget, there's always your old friend, the Domino's Pizza Tracker.

00:39:22.260 Not only did Trump get banned from Twitter, Google, Apple, and Amazon removed the Parler app from their platforms.

00:39:29.860 Parler is where all the right-wingers gather to post QAnon sense and misspell the word Parler.

00:39:35.940 Trumpers are complaining bitterly that they're being silenced.

00:39:39.220 In fact, they won't shut up about being silenced.

00:39:41.360 On their three propaganda TV networks, on a thousand conservative radio shows, all over the Internet, they are screaming about being silenced.

00:39:48.920 They won't be silent about being silenced.

00:39:51.340 I'm like, how does anybody feel sorry for him, Eliana?

00:39:59.000 Well, the shoe's on the other foot now.

00:40:01.120 And it turns out that when Jimmy Kimmel is silenced, he has a lot of allies going to bad for him.

00:40:07.240 And I think Emily's right.

00:40:08.180 There aren't apples to apples simply because the right doesn't have the same levers of control in the media and the same number of voices that will speak out about it.

00:40:20.680 And so we heard every voice in the mainstream media come to Jimmy Kimmel's defense, but we didn't hear the same thing when voices on the right were silenced by big tech, Twitter, Facebook, and all the rest during COVID and everything else.

00:40:39.560 And that's why people are angry now and why they're happy to see Jimmy Kimmel pulled off the air.

00:40:44.160 Yeah. And the media was part of it.

00:40:46.980 I mean, I posted this on Twitter yesterday and on Instagram.

00:40:50.520 You know, when I got canned at NBC because I asked a question about blackface Halloween costumes and when they went from something that wouldn't get you canceled in the 70s and the 80s to a day when they would. 1.00

00:41:00.860 And at the time, I didn't know that my own network NBC was recently, like within two years of my comments, actually airing shows with blackface characters, like on Scrubs, among others.

00:41:10.920 But in any event, I thought it had gone away as an acceptable practice, 70s and 80s.

00:41:16.420 And I said, when did it happen?

00:41:17.840 You know, that it changed into a cancelable offense.

00:41:19.960 And then I lost my job and everybody in the press was calling me a racist.

00:41:23.660 And I was all over newspapers as a racist.

00:41:25.480 And do did Jimmy Kimmel, who has, unlike yours truly, actually worn blackface repeatedly in his case as Karl Malone, where he went on his show and spoken ebonics.

00:41:36.680 I mean, it was the most racist, offensive thing as Oprah in a fat suit with his black face, darning socks and doing totally offensive behaviors as the fat Oprah.

00:41:49.180 Did Jimmy Kimmel say, hey, he had a platform.

00:41:52.180 What you're doing is wrong.

00:41:53.180 This isn't right.

00:41:54.120 What she said is right. 0.77

00:41:55.060 People, the reason I did that and wore those costumes is because there was a day, not in the too distant past, when that wasn't considered universally offensive.

00:42:04.200 That's an okay question, she asked.

00:42:06.160 No, no.

00:42:08.360 Me too.

00:42:09.040 He let me twist in the wind.

00:42:10.460 He's never had anything but scorn for me once he realized I didn't hate Trump.

00:42:14.840 When he thought I hated Trump, he wanted to celebrate me.

00:42:17.440 He had me on the show.

00:42:18.700 The guy is disgusting.

00:42:20.640 He hates everyone right of center.

00:42:23.500 And therefore, I look forward to watching his show suffer, and as it will, once this initial clamoring around, oh, he's back, dies down, he'll go back to his shitty ratings.

00:42:34.500 And his separation from ABC, I believe, is now inevitable.

00:42:39.520 I don't think ABC, I don't think Disney wants this headache.

00:42:42.720 So we'll see.

00:42:43.400 It's probably going to take a little longer than it otherwise would have, but he's not long for the wear at ABC.

00:42:48.580 That's my prediction.

00:42:49.720 Okay.

00:42:50.000 Now, speaking of leftists who will not tell the truth, we have the ICE situation down in Dallas from yesterday, where some man took a gun and opened fire on an ICE truck and killed two detainees, we believe two, and himself.

00:43:08.180 They've gone back and forth on the number.

00:43:10.440 It was like, first they said two, and one was in critical.

00:43:13.080 Then they said it was one, and the two were in critical.

00:43:15.700 In any event, he shot three detainees and then killed himself.

00:43:20.400 And it's very clear that the man was anti-ICE because he literally wrote on the bullets, anti-ICE, literally the words anti-ICE.

00:43:33.960 So we really didn't have to look far for his motivation.

00:43:37.240 It's not unlike what happened in the Charlie Kirk case.

00:43:40.040 We find out, by the way, from the FBI today, that's probably by design because he was obsessively searching for information about the Charlie Kirk case prior to committing this heinous crime in which the killer wrote his motivation on his bullet casings.

00:43:55.740 So here again, now the left, suddenly they don't accept these pictures.

00:43:59.940 Suddenly they don't accept the writing on the bullets.

00:44:02.800 You know, Kash Patel must have done it himself.

00:44:04.780 They're not going to accept it because it's a motivation that is leftist.

00:44:08.840 Then they go to the guy's car yesterday and they search it and he's got literally communist paraphernalia in there.

00:44:15.620 It turns out the guy's not just left.

00:44:17.720 He may actually be a communist based on the flyers that they found and the materials they found in his car.

00:44:24.880 And then today we got a release from the FBI that really cements it.

00:44:29.320 But before we got the nail in the coffin, a release from the FBI today.

00:44:34.760 So I'm going to give NPR the benefit of they didn't see the Kash Patel release before they said it.

00:44:39.680 But they said they knew about the commie stuff.

00:44:41.540 They knew about the anti-ice bullet casing.

00:44:44.020 And this is how they described the North Texas shooting at an ice facility in SOT 15 today.

00:44:52.900 As we mentioned earlier, I mean, this is just the most recent attack on an immigration facility in Texas.

00:44:58.040 What can you tell us about the other incidents that have led up to this moment?

00:45:02.380 Well, on July 4th, a gunman shot at a local police officer during a protest outside an ice facility in Alvarado.

00:45:09.320 That's about 30 miles south of Fort Worth.

00:45:11.600 17 people have been arrested.

00:45:14.040 And then three days after that shooting, a man opened fire at a Customs and Border Protection facility in McAllen, a border city along the Rio Grande.

00:45:22.340 He was killed by law enforcement.

00:45:23.980 And then in late August, the Dallas ICE office that was the site of yesterday's shooting got a bomb threat where a man at the entrance of the building claimed to have an explosive in his bag.

00:45:33.980 Immigration and immigrants have been at the center of the political divide, often portrayed in a negative light.

00:45:39.800 And yesterday, some immigrants became victims of this political rhetoric.

00:45:43.460 Got it?

00:45:47.420 Yeah, no, me neither.

00:45:48.800 They intentionally kept it vague, Emily, and hard to understand because they don't want to tell you he was clearly motivated by leftist ideology.

00:45:58.820 He hated ICE.

00:46:00.140 He was anti-ICE.

00:46:01.600 I have a piece of advice for you, North Texas reporter Toluani Osibamowo.

00:46:07.460 Just read the bullet.

00:46:10.320 You don't have to go far.

00:46:11.820 Read the damn bullet.

00:46:14.120 It's right there, black and white.

00:46:16.820 But no, there's just been rhetoric.

00:46:19.760 There's been political rhetoric around immigrants and immigration that may have infected the shooter in this case.

00:46:29.420 Like what?

00:46:30.140 What do you mean?

00:46:31.020 She's trying to suggest it's like Trump.

00:46:35.260 It's like Tom Homan's rhetoric.

00:46:36.900 That's what she's trying to do there. 0.99

00:46:38.400 No, this guy was motivated by you lunatics who were out there ripping on ICE, demonizing ICE.

00:46:47.160 And now we know that.

00:46:49.180 Okay, this isn't Megyn Kelly's speculation, but we know that because that actually came out.

00:46:53.880 The FBI sent out a tweet today.

00:46:55.860 Hold on, I'm trying to find it because I've got 10,000 things in front of me.

00:46:58.160 Okay, this says as follows from Kash Patel.

00:47:02.480 The perp downloaded a document titled Dallas County Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Management containing a list of DHS facilities.

00:47:08.700 He conducted multiple searches of ballistics and the Charlie Kirk shot video between 923 and 924.

00:47:15.040 Between August 19th and 824, August 24th, he searched apps that tracked the presence of ICE agents.

00:47:21.700 One of the handwritten notes recovered read, quote, hopefully this will give ICE agents real terror to think, is there a sniper with AP rounds on that roof?

00:47:33.040 And so, I mean, like I can't I can't go through this again, Emily, where it's like we may never know.

00:47:39.940 We, you know, just just general rhetoric about immigration.

00:47:44.100 That might be what was in the guy's head.

00:47:46.980 And I think also what's even worse in some cases than them openly lying is that they've deluded themselves into believing it actually lets the left off the hook to say,

00:48:00.000 well, you know, this guy was just a weirdo.

00:48:04.140 He was deep in online spaces, you know, 4chan, whatever, as though that excuses the left.

00:48:12.500 Even though when we're looking at the last three heinous acts of political violence that have occurred within the space of basically a month.

00:48:19.700 So from Minnesota to Charlie and now Dallas ICE, all of the indications, even if it's meme infested type of propaganda that we find around this shooter,

00:48:32.420 even if that's the case, directionally what they're doing is blatantly anti-conservative.

00:48:38.460 It is blatantly anti-right violence in every case.

00:48:42.540 Now, I'm open to seeing more evidence like it's so such a weird thing to do to just write anti-ICE.

00:48:47.620 I would love to know where that comes from and what's going on.

00:48:50.880 But it's clearly anti-ICE when you now have the full picture.

00:48:54.080 Even as of yesterday, we had an increasingly full picture.

00:48:57.280 So it's just an insane delusion.

00:49:00.320 And that's what's been so dangerous in the last couple of weeks.

00:49:02.800 You mark my words.

00:49:04.740 Even after even after hopefully this will give ICE agents real terror, they're still going to say, gee, we don't know.

00:49:12.580 Unclear, Eliana.

00:49:14.000 Well, we're at a place where you can't get the news from the news media.

00:49:17.620 I'm looking at a piece in The Hill where it says motive sought in Dallas ICE facility shooting.

00:49:22.680 And The New York Times writes, the actual motivation behind the messages written on the bullets in both Mr. Kirk's assassination and Wednesday's killing are still not known.

00:49:31.400 Oh, my God.

00:49:32.600 It's a cop.

00:49:33.580 And this is why people don't trust the media.

00:49:38.300 You cannot get the truth or the news from them.

00:49:42.660 And it matters like it actually matters because the lying media are infecting these people's brains.

00:49:52.480 Where where did this shooter, the Charlie shooter, get the fascist, anti-fascist narrative from?

00:49:58.880 Did he just make that up?

00:50:00.400 Like he just looked at Charlie and thought he seems like a fascist to me.

00:50:04.640 Doubt it.

00:50:05.780 Doubt it.

00:50:06.780 Maybe we'll find out I'm wrong.

00:50:07.680 But that he's full of hate.

00:50:08.060 I doubt it.

00:50:08.540 That he's full of hate.

00:50:10.380 Where do you hear that?

00:50:11.680 Where did this guy get his motivation from?

00:50:14.020 Why does he think that?

00:50:15.320 Why is he anti-ICE?

00:50:16.660 Tell me.

00:50:17.440 Let's find out.

00:50:18.420 But the media is a huge part of the problem.

00:50:21.060 And they show zero self-awareness.

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00:52:32.580 Emily Jashinsky, host of After Party with Emily Jashinsky.

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00:52:38.180 Go to AfterPartyEmily.com and Eliana Johnson is back with us, too.

00:52:43.600 She is editor in chief of The Free Beacon.

00:52:46.540 So, ladies, as I began last hour, we talked about the fact that I appeared at a Turning Point event at Virginia Tech.

00:52:52.640 It was very cordial.

00:52:54.300 It was very cool.

00:52:56.300 I have to say, like, great to get out there and actually talk to these young people and see what's on their minds.

00:53:00.560 Some very, very smart questions, some interesting in a different way.

00:53:04.340 And there's one exchange that's getting some pickup today.

00:53:09.120 I'm going to play it and then we can talk about it.

00:53:11.040 One young man came, as they say, loaded for bear.

00:53:14.140 Here's how that went.

00:53:15.880 Oh, why you support a president who contributes to the rhetoric that got your friend Charlie killed?

00:53:21.960 We saw his rally recently.

00:53:23.180 He said, I hate my enemies.

00:53:25.520 He's he his Stephen Miller said similar things.

00:53:29.160 How can you support him when he contributed to what got Charlie killed?

00:53:35.160 Assumes facts, not in evidence.

00:53:37.080 What you said is not true.

00:53:38.780 Seventy percent of political violence is committed by Republicans.

00:53:42.160 OK, look it up.

00:53:43.520 That's not the OJ just pulled it.

00:53:45.500 The OJ just pulled it from their website.

00:53:48.580 The OJ just pulled the study from their website because they're delusional.

00:53:51.540 That's not true because it just pulled it.

00:53:53.260 Look it up.

00:53:53.700 Once you pulled it from their website.

00:53:55.600 Once you pull the crazies out of there, it is overwhelmingly left wing violence.

00:54:00.060 Google it.

00:54:00.560 We have had every single person.

00:54:02.400 I understand.

00:54:02.980 Google it right now.

00:54:04.500 You know, this is this is how we get here.

00:54:07.360 So first of all, let me take on the first part of the premise of your question, that

00:54:10.520 it was President Trump's rhetoric that led to an assassin killing our friend Charlie Kirk.

00:54:16.480 That's a blatant lie.

00:54:17.900 It's a defamatory blaspheme and it's inappropriate in the setting.

00:54:21.740 That's not what I said.

00:54:22.520 We know.

00:54:23.020 Yes, it is.

00:54:23.520 No, I said he contributed to the political, he contributed to the political atmosphere.

00:54:29.020 The, the, the.

00:54:29.760 Well, then you have no point.

00:54:31.060 Then your point is utterly empty.

00:54:33.180 Contributing to the atmosphere.

00:54:34.440 The president.

00:54:34.800 This guy was, no, let's just make clear.

00:54:36.440 Let's just make clear.

00:54:37.200 This guy was motivated by leftist ideology.

00:54:40.240 We know it from the bullet casings.

00:54:41.760 We know it from the Utah governor.

00:54:43.660 We know it from his own mother.

00:54:45.480 Yes, we do.

00:54:46.760 Let's be really clear on that.

00:54:48.260 Even if that's true.

00:54:49.400 So then you're saying, because, let's say this guy's a leftist.

00:54:52.040 Even if that's true, does that make it okay for the sitting president of the United States

00:54:56.000 to incite violence against liberals?

00:54:58.400 The president of the United States has not accepted violence against liberals.

00:55:01.520 The president of the United States made a joke at the Charlie Kirk Memorial, which was

00:55:05.880 funny and self-deprecating.

00:55:07.220 It was on the heels of Erica Kirk saying she, in an extraordinary moment, forgave her husband's

00:55:14.160 killer.

00:55:14.760 He refused.

00:55:15.100 And let me finish.

00:55:16.400 And then President Trump got up and making a joke, playing off of what Erica said.

00:55:22.580 He said, we disagree.

00:55:23.900 I need to do better.

00:55:25.020 Erica's going to try to convince me, but I'm in a different place.

00:55:27.940 And that's completely normal for a politician to be thinking about his political fights.

00:55:32.680 And by the way, Trump has every right to loathe his enemies.

00:55:36.060 They tried to put him in jail for the rest of his life.

00:55:38.900 They tried to bankrupt him.

00:55:39.860 They tried to put his family in jail.

00:55:42.140 And they tried to kill him.

00:55:45.080 Jack Smith.

00:55:46.120 Jack Smith.

00:55:46.220 Okay, now you go.

00:55:48.760 Thank you for your time.

00:55:54.140 So that's how that went.

00:55:56.420 But I would say this is not exactly this young man's fault, because on the subject of the media,

00:56:03.000 that's clearly what's infected this guy's mind.

00:56:04.980 He's consuming his media, we all know, from leftist media.

00:56:08.140 And I'm just going to play one other soundbite.

00:56:09.540 I played you the NPR thing yesterday on the Dallas ice attack.

00:56:12.940 Here's the Today.

00:56:15.560 Here's NBC Today on the Today Show.

00:56:18.640 Here it is.

00:56:19.060 Watch this.

00:56:19.460 This is NBC's Priscilla Thompson, Sot 16.

00:56:21.780 And while President Trump and members of his administration are tying this attack to what

00:56:27.560 they call rhetoric on the left against ICE and law enforcement, investigators on the ground

00:56:32.760 here say that the shooter's motive remains unclear.

00:56:35.740 In an interview with NBC News, the shooter's brother describing him as someone who didn't

00:56:40.660 have strong feelings about ICE, adding he wasn't interested in politics on either side

00:56:45.940 as far as he knew.

00:56:48.100 OK, clearly the shooter's brother was wrong because he wrote down his feelings about ICE

00:56:52.820 at length, according to Kash Patel in that post that I just read to you moments ago and wrote,

00:56:59.340 hopefully this will give ICE agents real terror to think, is there a sniper with AP rounds on

00:57:04.860 that roof?

00:57:05.440 He's been tracking ICE agents.

00:57:07.640 He'd been searching for how the Charlie Kirk murder was done.

00:57:10.220 He downloaded a document entitled Dallas County Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Management

00:57:14.980 containing a list of the DHS facilities.

00:57:17.280 And they go on to say further accumulated evidence to this point indicates a high degree

00:57:21.340 of pre-attack planning.

00:57:22.840 But anyway, hopefully this will give ICE agents real terror.

00:57:25.680 Is good enough for me?

00:57:27.520 We'll see whether NBC updates its attack or its reports.

00:57:31.320 Here's just one more.

00:57:32.240 This is MSNBC in Sot 17.

00:57:33.920 You can't just assume by that what was written on that shell casing that that's necessarily

00:57:41.380 his motivation.

00:57:43.100 You know, he could have been doing that to, you know, thinking it was funny trying to put

00:57:48.500 law enforcement on the wrong track.

00:57:50.120 This is where when you analyze the person's phone, computer, talk to his family and friends,

00:57:55.500 that you get an idea of what his motivation perhaps really was.

00:57:59.320 Cool.

00:58:01.140 Does his exact writing that he wants to terrorize the the the ICE agents count?

00:58:05.280 Like, I look forward to all of these news outlets updating their reports, Eliana.

00:58:09.540 I feel like that'll happen soon.

00:58:12.400 Yeah, it reminds me of Matt Dowd, you know, who went on MSNBC and said it was could have

00:58:18.160 been friendly fire, you know, that killed Charlie aiming right at his face because that makes

00:58:24.280 sense.

00:58:24.620 So most likely scenario here with the icing is that it was probably meant to divert law

00:58:29.480 enforcement, all the paperwork and everything, because that makes the most sense, too.

00:58:33.780 I mean, look, the pattern we see is that when left wingers commit violence, we can never

00:58:40.920 know the motive for their violence.

00:58:43.060 And when right wingers commit violence, the motive is always clear.

00:58:47.200 It's the right wing rhetoric over and over and over again.

00:58:51.340 Um, because the mainstream media, the news media, um, but we repeat ourselves, um, is motivated

00:58:59.600 to obfuscate the motives for of left wingers.

00:59:06.380 Um, they are not informing.

00:59:09.200 They are obfuscating.

00:59:11.160 Yeah, they do this over and over and over.

00:59:15.480 Emily, there was, um, there was one, there was an ABC, a shooter that went to ABC in Sacramento

00:59:21.480 and started firing.

00:59:24.460 And this shooter left a note that read for hiding Epstein and ignoring red flags.

00:59:31.500 Do not support Patel Bongino and Pam Bondi.

00:59:35.100 They're next CK from above, like as if Charlie Kirk.

00:59:40.760 And again, I tweeted out, you know, sarcastically, we may never know the motive.

00:59:44.660 I mean, you can get that specific, right?

00:59:46.860 And you're going to have leftist being like, oh, I guess it's a mystery.

00:59:51.720 And we, we know because we went through the congressional baseball shooting in 2016, where there was

00:59:58.460 no moment of, uh, pause and reflection on what happened when a Bernie Sanders supporter crazed

01:00:05.280 Bernie Sanders supporter, uh, terrorized Republican congressmen at the congressional baseball game

01:00:10.300 practice in Virginia.

01:00:11.840 And so we have examples in the past of this happening.

01:00:15.040 So the new cope is that they're saying, well, this is, you know, online stuff.

01:00:19.940 You can't be there, you know, they're not just like cookie cutter, uh, Democrat voters.

01:00:24.180 And again, like that, that is just a cope.

01:00:26.300 And part of what makes people so angry about the Jimmy Kimmel situation, uh, and this situation

01:00:31.160 now is exactly what Eliana was just describing the double standard.

01:00:35.560 Everybody knows in their mind.

01:00:37.320 It's not that, you know, they, they're, they're constructing this technical journalistic ethics

01:00:42.060 case for why we don't technically know the motivations, right?

01:00:45.260 It was like, we know that you would say the motivations were clear in another case.

01:00:49.020 Like we, we get that, we know that.

01:00:50.880 So please stop pretending that this is your exercise of just journalistic excellence and

01:00:56.240 caution.

01:00:56.900 Like that's bullshit.

01:00:57.740 Yeah.

01:00:58.180 You're so right.

01:00:59.340 And they're acting, Emily, like, like we can never know unless the shooter writes a manifesto

01:01:05.100 that says, this is the exact reason why I am now going to shoot this gun.

01:01:09.860 Right.

01:01:10.300 Like, hello.

01:01:11.260 That would be a diversion.

01:01:12.860 Right.

01:01:13.420 It's, it was ridiculous.

01:01:14.580 This is law enforcement.

01:01:15.480 You've got, you've got to look at the shooter, look at what his ideology was, look what searches

01:01:21.220 he was doing on the internet.

01:01:22.500 And you put two and two together.

01:01:24.260 They don't, in newsflash media, they don't always write down specifically, let me explain

01:01:28.420 my motive.

01:01:29.320 Sometimes you have to figure it out.

01:01:31.040 And in these particular cases, it's obvious.

01:01:33.960 It's, it is literally written down on the bullets.

01:01:37.860 That's, that's, that's, that's, what's driving me insane, Eliana, is that you can, they can

01:01:41.460 write it on the bullet casings and we still have to listen to this dishonest leftist media

01:01:47.320 give us this bullshit about motive. 0.92

01:01:50.240 Who knows?

01:01:51.280 I have a super quick point just before Eliana.

01:01:53.540 I remember at CPAC, this was during the, like, after the unite the right panic, um, for,

01:01:59.540 you know, post Charlottesville, early Trump administration, someone spotted Richard Spencer at

01:02:04.520 CPAC and what CPAC went through, yeah, to get him the hell out of CPAC immediately.

01:02:12.060 We do not see the equivalent of like that example just popped into my mind, but like

01:02:15.960 the right immediately was like, holy smokes, we have to purge Richard Spencer literally physically

01:02:20.640 from this conference.

01:02:21.740 And that is, I think, an instructive example of where the double standards have real effects.

01:02:26.760 Go ahead, Eliana.

01:02:29.440 No, I think you're exactly right.

01:02:31.620 And it's in every single outlet.

01:02:33.540 And I think what, um, what the left and the mainstream media don't realize is that this

01:02:39.900 has become a joke among people like us.

01:02:42.480 Like we pull out the lines in the New York times report, in the Hill, in the ABC news broadcast,

01:02:48.660 we're copying and pasting them to each other.

01:02:50.580 Every line they write where it's authorities are still searching for the motive and we're

01:02:55.360 laughing about it because, um, it's, it is laughable.

01:03:00.200 It is laughable at this point, um, their failure to do their jobs and inform the public and the

01:03:07.280 intentional obfuscation of the truth.

01:03:09.440 But that the real world consequences of that are exactly like, it's, it's not, we do laugh

01:03:14.180 about it and it is funny and you can only laugh, but it's the kid who came up to the microphone,

01:03:18.660 Megan, and cited that story about 70% of violence being committed by quote Republicans.

01:03:22.360 So first, he's not even getting the study, right.

01:03:24.460 But second of all, it's because that study and studies like it were circulated widely

01:03:29.240 in the quote mainstream media after what happened to Charlie, which is first of all, just an

01:03:34.360 insane thing to do.

01:03:35.240 But second of all, um, these studies were insane methodologically.

01:03:39.760 Tim Carney fisked them in the Washington Examiner really effectively.

01:03:42.700 People should go check that out because it was fantastic.

01:03:45.180 But the journalists were repeating these studies because it confirmed their biases, confirmed

01:03:49.040 their priors without even digging into the methodology and being like, holy smokes, this

01:03:52.720 is deeply problematic.

01:03:53.820 I mean, even the Atlantic, the Atlantic, which is no conservative publication, just had an

01:03:58.800 article saying, well, for the first time in 30 years, that's how they put it.

01:04:01.680 But even they are admitting that left-wing terrorism is dominant in America.

01:04:07.360 I mean, that's just a fact.

01:04:08.540 I really don't have a lot of patience to debate it.

01:04:12.340 It's like, I mean, for me, that was the thing that really did set me out because we're

01:04:16.340 at a, we're at a fucking event where Charlie Kirk is supposed to be present.

01:04:19.600 It's got his name on the door.

01:04:21.240 He's the, he's the, the, the CEO of the company who was just murdered two weeks earlier for

01:04:26.540 his political view.

01:04:27.380 So just stop, just stop with the right wing, both sides ism.

01:04:30.880 I really, I have zero tolerance for it right now.

01:04:34.760 Zero.

01:04:35.900 Um, I, I don't have tolerance for reporters who get in my face about it.

01:04:39.620 I don't have tolerance for students who want to both sides it.

01:04:42.700 I don't have tolerance for the press that wants to do this.

01:04:44.720 Our people are getting shot.

01:04:47.100 Okay.

01:04:47.560 They're getting shot at, and they're getting shot dead.

01:04:50.540 And there is typically, unfortunately, unfortunately, a copycat effect after one of these things

01:04:55.680 happens.

01:04:56.080 So it actually really does matter that we're super honest about what the motivations are

01:05:01.760 and what's driving political violence.

01:05:05.320 That's what the Trump assassination attempts was, were, and that's what the Charlie assassination

01:05:09.640 was.

01:05:10.260 We have to be clear.

01:05:12.580 Nutcase doing a nutcase thing is one thing. 1.00

01:05:15.620 I admit, I get that.

01:05:17.960 You can't just take some nutcase who's like crazy and saying crazy shit and clearly like

01:05:23.060 schizophrenic and say, okay, I'm going to completely understand his motive.

01:05:26.860 Like the guy who killed, uh, Irina in North Carolina.

01:05:31.460 Yes.

01:05:31.580 The guy mentioned her race in, in the midst of the attack.

01:05:34.320 But if you look at that, if you zoom out on that guy's case, he was crazy.

01:05:39.080 That case is at its heart is about a justice system that put him through a revolving door,

01:05:43.980 even though they knew he was crazy and violent and sicked him back on society.

01:05:49.320 So that was it.

01:05:50.400 But this Charlie's assassination, the assassination attempt on Donald Trump that killed Corey

01:05:55.280 Compatori.

01:05:55.920 Again, one of ours killed.

01:05:58.040 Those were political acts.

01:05:59.840 We have to be honest.

01:06:02.160 Why don't we know more about the shooter in the Trump Butler attempt?

01:06:05.980 We do know a lot about Charlie's assassin.

01:06:08.780 We already know a lot about this attempted ice assassin.

01:06:12.140 And the fact that he was a bad shot doesn't change what he was doing there.

01:06:17.100 Here's one other thing I have to say.

01:06:19.340 I am sick and tired of people bringing up Paul Pelosi and Melissa Hortman, the Speaker

01:06:24.300 of the House out in Minnesota.

01:06:25.860 I'm sick and tired of them bringing that up as examples of right wing violence.

01:06:30.160 Well, you know why?

01:06:30.800 Because they weren't.

01:06:32.340 They weren't.

01:06:33.380 The guy who broke into the Pelosi's house was a leftist, lunatic, homeless man.

01:06:37.880 His paraphernalia had BLM and LGBTQ pride flags all over it.

01:06:43.020 This was not a right winger.

01:06:44.580 Just because he targeted somebody on the left doesn't make him a right winger.

01:06:48.640 In the case of Melissa Hortman, the shooter, the left wing reporters missed this update.

01:06:54.300 But it was reported by Alpha News and then others, including the New York Post, that

01:06:58.260 that guy actually completely disavowed any right wing motivation and said the reason he

01:07:02.800 did it was that Tim Walz, in his head, told him to go kill Democrat politicians in Minnesota.

01:07:10.400 That's what he said.

01:07:11.200 If you're looking for a motivation, that's what the guy himself said he did it for.

01:07:15.360 But in any event, in neither of those cases, like you look at Melissa Hortman, you tell

01:07:21.040 me, was all of society saying Melissa Hortman is a fascist, Melissa Hortman is a Nazi?

01:07:28.060 No, it's a lie.

01:07:29.580 Even the criticisms of Pelosi were like, she's an insider traitor.

01:07:34.080 She's kind of horrible.

01:07:35.300 It wasn't like, she's a fascist who must be stopped, right?

01:07:39.000 So this guy who went into the Melissa Hortman house was not driven by societal messages about

01:07:44.980 her.

01:07:45.160 He says he was driven by Tim Walz.

01:07:46.760 Of course, this is a nut.

01:07:48.260 Tim Walz did not tell him that.

01:07:50.160 And then after Melissa Hortman was killed, there was universal condemnation, universal

01:07:54.660 condemnation.

01:07:55.940 The right wasn't over here celebrating.

01:07:57.740 Yay, she deserved it.

01:08:00.140 She got what was coming to her.

01:08:02.240 She was the situations are completely inapposite to what we're seeing happening now to our people

01:08:07.680 on the right.

01:08:08.160 And I am infuriated by the left wing refusal to acknowledge those basic facts.

01:08:14.740 There was no article in The Nation, the conservative equivalent of The Nation after what happened to

01:08:20.220 Melissa Hortman being like, well, she was pro-abortion.

01:08:24.180 So, hey, like that that didn't happen.

01:08:27.100 And it really is about like someone was challenging me about this on social media.

01:08:31.740 So I went back and looked at Twitter to the best extent I could after what happened horribly

01:08:36.840 to Melissa Hortman and tried to see, you know, what was this a widespread right wing moment

01:08:42.760 of levity and celebration?

01:08:45.120 And of course, it wasn't.

01:08:46.220 There were a couple of examples like Mike Lee tweeted out some dopey tweets, Senator Mike

01:08:51.800 Lee, which he deleted and took down.

01:08:53.720 Which he deleted.

01:08:54.540 But see, this is such a great point, which he deleted.

01:08:56.960 And the right does after, for example, synagogue shootings or Unite the Right.

01:09:00.960 There was so much hand wringing internally at conservative groups and organizations.

01:09:05.640 It's like the Richard Spencer example I just gave about what to do to keep alt-right freaks

01:09:10.900 and neo-Nazi freaks away.

01:09:13.180 That happened.

01:09:14.460 The left is now coping in a way that they are preventing themselves from having that conversation.

01:09:18.820 Mm-hmm.

01:09:20.320 Go ahead, Eliana.

01:09:21.140 Thoughts?

01:09:23.140 I agree with Emily in that I think this is a serious societal problems rise of violence

01:09:30.200 on the far left.

01:09:32.080 And, Megan, you mentioned, you played a clip of mainstream media saying that the assailant

01:09:44.040 in the ICE shooting, the family members say this person wasn't particularly political.

01:09:49.980 And we know the assassin, Tyler Robinson, in the Charlie Kirk shooting became more political

01:09:56.820 over the past couple of years.

01:09:58.440 Um, so both things can be true and it's really, it's alarming that young men, um, who weren't

01:10:07.060 particularly political at one point became radicalized over a couple of years.

01:10:11.880 People who weren't crazy, um, became extremely political and committed these acts of violence.

01:10:18.600 And it's alarming that politicians on the left aren't expressing concern about this.

01:10:24.520 Instead, we see people like Ilhan Omar, um, going on and saying, you know, I'm, I don't

01:10:32.080 grieve about this.

01:10:33.360 Um, Charlie Kirk's rhetoric was disgusting and pressed on it, you know, on, um, major news

01:10:39.500 networks, um, can't bring themselves to say this was a tragedy and I'm alarmed by the rise

01:10:46.460 of violence committed in the name of, you know, stopping hate.

01:10:51.740 That's what Karen Atiyah said too.

01:10:55.160 I, I have no obligation to grieve him.

01:10:56.900 I don't grieve him among other things.

01:10:58.740 Now she's suing. 1.00

01:11:00.080 She says she's going to sue the Washington post for firing her.

01:11:02.700 She should have been fired when she liked the tweet that read, this is what decolonization 0.99

01:11:07.900 looks like after 1200 Israelis were murdered on 10, 7, 23.

01:11:13.140 She celebrated it.

01:11:14.760 She backed it with her liking of that tweet.

01:11:16.960 She's done nothing other than that ever since the things about Charlie Kirk were just her latest

01:11:21.640 vile comments.

01:11:23.240 It's a miracle.

01:11:24.200 She remained employed for the past two years after what she said after 10, 7 by zero empathy

01:11:29.460 for Karen Atiyah.

01:11:30.340 I look forward to her unemployment.

01:11:32.740 Um, okay.

01:11:34.200 Where'd it go now?

01:11:34.940 Okay.

01:11:35.420 Oh yes.

01:11:36.180 Okay.

01:11:36.480 The rhetoric that the left continues to put out with, with, with not a care, not a care

01:11:42.020 for the environment we're in right now.

01:11:43.380 When again, after an assassination, you are at peak risk for copycats.

01:11:47.700 That's, I'm sorry to say it, but true. 0.82

01:11:49.560 And I saw Emily, you tweeted out yesterday, that thing about 1968 and it was right on the

01:11:55.080 money.

01:11:55.260 Like the, the, the spate of assassinations that happened.

01:12:00.120 It's no, it's no accident that we had so many because people sadly get motivated when they

01:12:05.480 see one of these things, they get the idea in their head in a way it wasn't prior to the

01:12:09.560 despicable act.

01:12:10.480 So we do need to be extra careful right now.

01:12:13.220 And my leftist friends don't seem to understand that.

01:12:18.220 Um, I'll just give you, I'll give you just a, a montage.

01:12:22.480 Okay.

01:12:22.760 Let's start with that.

01:12:23.660 It's happened post Charlie too, but here's a montage of Democrats on ice in recent days

01:12:30.920 and weeks.

01:12:31.360 Stop 23.

01:12:33.020 Donald Trump's modern day.

01:12:34.540 Scott book is scooping folks up off the streets.

01:12:37.740 When you compare the old films of the Gestapo grabbing, grabbing people off the streets

01:12:44.000 of Poland, it does look like a Gestapo operation.

01:12:47.380 You posted on social media that quote, ice is acting like a terrorist force.

01:12:52.820 Ice agents, they are coming and kidnapping and disappearing people on the streets of the 0.99

01:12:59.280 United States.

01:13:00.040 Mask agents of the state in unmarked vehicles are terrorizing communities.

01:13:05.780 They are disappearing people.

01:13:06.740 People has to assume they're hiding something or they're hiding misbehavior because otherwise,

01:13:10.920 why would they be wearing masks and denying their identities?

01:13:13.740 If everything is legitimate and proper, why are you wearing masks to hide your face?

01:13:18.720 Not look like America. 0.69

01:13:20.620 We are going to require them to show their faces.

01:13:24.160 If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't have anything to hide.

01:13:28.000 That was Eric Swalwell.

01:13:29.480 Thank you, Western Lesbian, for putting that together.

01:13:31.200 Here's one more.

01:13:31.840 This is from September 14th on MSNBC.

01:13:34.380 Jasmine Crockett, Sot 24.

01:13:37.240 But as somebody who understands history, when I see ice, I see slave patrols.

01:13:42.720 Now, I never lived through the slave patrol period.

01:13:46.220 But if you know the history of policing in this country, then you understand that they were

01:13:50.640 born out of slave patrols.

01:13:52.120 Here's another representative of the squad, Representative Jayapal of Washington in Sot 26.

01:13:59.440 This is from July 4th.

01:14:01.700 Some of the most inspiring things have been when people encircle courtrooms and refuse to

01:14:06.680 allow ice agents in.

01:14:08.260 There are all kinds of nonviolent resistance tactics that we have to use.

01:14:13.900 Here's a bit more from her the very same week, Sot 27.

01:14:18.900 Also, you posted on social media that, quote, ICE is acting like a terrorist force.

01:14:24.520 And the White House told CNN that your, quote, quote,

01:14:27.780 disgusting comments warrant an immediate apology.

01:14:32.120 I think it is the administration that has to apologize to U.S. citizens that have been rounded up,

01:14:37.020 to legal permanent residents, to people with legal statuses across the country who are getting

01:14:42.740 swept up, people who have been here for 20 years and committed absolutely no crimes,

01:14:47.160 getting swept up by masked men who are kidnapping them and deporting them.

01:14:52.480 That, to me, is what is so outrageous.

01:14:55.420 It's unconstitutional.

01:14:56.520 It's illegal.

01:14:57.500 And it is absolutely terrorizing people.

01:15:02.020 Terrorizing.

01:15:02.660 I'm just going to give you one more.

01:15:03.720 This is not specifically about ICE.

01:15:05.840 But here's an example of the leftist rhetoric we're getting.

01:15:08.160 I could do this all day on Chris Murphy.

01:15:10.100 But here's just his latest.

01:15:11.020 It was September 9th with Chuck Todd, Sat-29.

01:15:15.440 We're not going to convince Donald Trump to stand down in his attempt to destroy our democracy

01:15:21.080 through de-escalatory politics.

01:15:23.560 Like, that's just not happening.

01:15:25.140 So our only opportunity, our only chance to save our democracy is to fight fire with fire right now.

01:15:32.160 So, yeah, do I bemoan the fact that, you know, we're now blowing up norms?

01:15:36.100 Yes, but literally for two seconds.

01:15:39.720 Because if you spend any more than that, being sorry for the fact that the old world doesn't exist,

01:15:45.740 then your democracy is gone.

01:15:47.800 Like, we're in a war right now to save this country.

01:15:51.920 And so you have to be willing to do whatever is necessary in order to save the country.

01:15:56.000 Whatever is necessary.

01:15:59.140 Nice.

01:15:59.540 So can you speak to that, Emily, and the article you tweeted out, too?

01:16:04.300 Yeah, this was – I went back and looked because I'm, like, very interested in this question of contagion.

01:16:09.420 I think we all are because it does seem like these events just anecdotally, it feels like they're always clustered around each other.

01:16:14.940 And there is pretty good research going back to the 1960s about the contagion effect of political violence.

01:16:22.140 The same thing exists when you're looking at school shootings.

01:16:26.080 There's a pretty obvious contagion effect that people have studied in academic white papers for a long time.

01:16:32.340 So it heightens the importance of being especially careful and responsible right now.

01:16:38.880 By the way, that applies to Jimmy Kimmel, who's trying to pin a shooting on MAGA for – in a throwaway line.

01:16:46.720 And his monologue wasn't really a throwaway line.

01:16:48.520 But the New York Times wrote about this in 1968 as the country felt the same thing that we're all feeling right now,

01:16:54.460 which is that this seems like we're in the middle of a cluster phenomenon of people who are being inspired.

01:17:01.720 And these – I mean, if you go into the depths of the Internet, you do find people who lionize shooters.

01:17:07.880 And these acts of heinous violence become memes.

01:17:12.720 And you can see where sick, twisted, lonely, messed-up individuals take this on as actually sort of a weird part of their nihilistic political ideology.

01:17:22.780 And that's something people need to be extremely careful about when they're talking in the language of war, literally, as Chris Murphy just did.

01:17:31.420 This is – it's serious.

01:17:32.920 And to immediately go – I mean, think about Jasmine Crockett here.

01:17:37.260 This is a – or the Gestapo. 0.50

01:17:38.660 Let's take the Gestapo claim.

01:17:40.060 The Gestapo, as someone who knows about history, Jasmine Crockett should know, was responsible for rounding people up and putting them in concentration camps and death camps.

01:17:51.440 Concentration camps and death camps.

01:17:53.580 The Gestapo was doing that.

01:17:55.580 There is no equivalence between the Gestapo in that sense, which is what most people recognize when they think of the Gestapo and ICE.

01:18:02.840 Secondly, there was actually a link between indentured servitude and arguably slavery and the border.

01:18:10.840 And it was the millions of people who were being trafficked by the head, by cartels, to the border.

01:18:18.220 And Jasmine Crockett did not give a damn for years about the mass trafficking. 0.99

01:18:23.860 That had people literally as indentured servitudes coming to the United States having to repay the debts to cartels that let them basically take out on credit their own lives to come into the United States and repay them by trafficking drugs and other humans and all of that.

01:18:39.720 That they had no concern about whatsoever.

01:18:43.420 Now they want to get mad.

01:18:44.580 That's another thing driving me nuts right now.

01:18:46.420 They caused this problem.

01:18:48.140 This is all of their making.

01:18:49.800 They opened up the southern border for some inexplicable reason.

01:18:53.060 Probably to get voters.

01:18:54.800 But they didn't make it clear why they did it.

01:18:56.280 They just violated the law, opened the border, and let some 10 to 20 million illegals, dangerous, many of them, flood in. 1.00

01:19:03.760 All we're trying to do is get a tiny percentage of them out.

01:19:07.560 We'd love for them all to go, but that's not possible.

01:19:10.200 So we're trying to get some tiny percentage of them out.

01:19:13.420 And that's the messaging we get.

01:19:15.660 And now these ICE agents get shot at within an inch of their lives, repeatedly targeted.

01:19:22.060 And we've got to hear, we don't know what the motive is.

01:19:24.260 Anti-ICE.

01:19:24.940 No, no, no, we don't know.

01:19:25.800 It's unclear.

01:19:26.840 Right?

01:19:27.080 So it's like they caused this.

01:19:29.220 Eliana, can we spend a minute on?

01:19:30.560 And we had violence over the years, a mass shooting, et cetera.

01:19:39.720 And every time, the left would try to blame it on the right.

01:19:43.300 You know, some crazy Ben Shapiro said X, you know, or like Ted Cruz, take your pick, said X.

01:19:50.760 And the general response by the right was, crazy people are out there.

01:19:55.980 Sarah Palin, exactly.

01:19:57.020 That was New York Times blaming her for the Gabby Gifford shooting. 0.71

01:20:00.220 The general response from the right was always, there are crazy people out there.

01:20:04.560 And you cannot attribute anyone's particular commentary as the reason a crazy person does a crazy thing.

01:20:11.080 And I am generally sympathetic toward that.

01:20:14.300 Like, you know, my mom spent her life working in mental health. 0.94

01:20:18.400 I've heard a lot of stories about people who are genuinely disturbed and how difficult it is to get them better.

01:20:25.220 However, I just think we're in a very different moment right now.

01:20:28.640 Like I said, our people are actually being shot.

01:20:32.060 Corey Caputori is dead because of a political assassin's bullet.

01:20:36.040 Trump was shot in the ear as a result of that same guy and almost shot again a couple weeks later on his golf course.

01:20:42.840 Charlie is dead.

01:20:44.340 And we all watched it happen.

01:20:45.700 And I do think we're all suffering some PTSD on it.

01:20:50.120 You know, I mean, I think everyone who's at all in the public eye is suffering a bit of PTSD.

01:20:56.120 And probably a lot of our audience, too, who aren't in the public eye, just about if you're openly conservative,

01:21:02.200 if people know what your politics are, because it's our people that happen to be getting killed right now as political assassins take aim at us.

01:21:08.580 And they write on their bullets the very same messages we're hearing all over MSNBC.

01:21:13.120 So I feel like we have cause to object to the rhetoric.

01:21:17.000 We have particular cause here.

01:21:18.600 But I recognize the defenses that I'm hearing from the left is like they're crazy and I'm allowed to say what I want to say.

01:21:27.240 And no, I won't lower the temperature because we can't stand ice and we didn't like Charlie Kirk's political messages.

01:21:33.660 So how do you make sense of it?

01:21:36.160 Look, I think you have to take these things on a case by case basis.

01:21:39.880 There are real crazies who commit crimes.

01:21:43.400 As you mentioned, the career criminal in North Carolina who committed that murder on a subway was mentally ill.

01:21:53.360 And so to ascribe, you know, to try to put ideology on that is difficult and I think misguided.

01:22:01.480 However, the Charlie Kirk assassin was not crazy.

01:22:06.720 We saw in those text messages rationality and rationale.

01:22:11.400 He tried to cover up what he was doing.

01:22:16.460 He had a plan.

01:22:17.660 He had a plan of escape.

01:22:19.060 He tried to protect his lover and cover his tracks and directed his lover to delete his text messages.

01:22:28.640 All of this is extremely rational.

01:22:30.620 And he said, point blank, some of this hatred cannot be tolerated.

01:22:36.800 It has to be expunged.

01:22:38.060 I'm paraphrasing here.

01:22:39.220 But there are cases, obviously, in which you can ascribe clear motive, and that is one of them.

01:22:48.180 And so I think it's important to distinguish between these two things.

01:22:54.840 The Bernie Sanders acolyte who did the shooting on the congressional baseball field is another one.

01:23:02.240 There are multiple of them.

01:23:03.420 So not all of them are going to fall into this category, but many of them do.

01:23:07.600 I just feel like you can't tone it down now.

01:23:11.520 Can you take, like, a couple weeks off of your most incendiary comments?

01:23:14.640 Can you, like, just—you don't have to stop criticizing the right.

01:23:17.480 Could you dial it down from an 11 while, like, just until we have our dead buried, maybe?

01:23:22.880 Like, just until, like, the immediate grieving period has passed?

01:23:26.060 Is that possible just so we could, like, increase the odds of people on the right wing staying alive?

01:23:30.640 But the reason they won't, Emily, is not principle.

01:23:33.580 It's because they don't give a shit if we get shot.

01:23:37.480 The thing that's been driving me insane is just what you were saying right then.

01:23:42.280 Like, let's just hypothetically assume that all of these studies are true, that the right is much more of us.

01:23:48.120 Like, let's just, like, wave our magic wand, hypothetically give them that.

01:23:51.320 I don't think any of that's true.

01:23:52.120 I think some of these studies are just disgraceful and shameful, and the media's laundering of them has been awful.

01:23:56.540 But let's just give them that point.

01:23:59.260 Are you still telling me, even if that's true, it is wildly inappropriate to immediately start pointing the finger, like Jimmy Kimmel, at MAGA as evidence starts stacking up against your own—someone being motivated by anti-conservative, anti-right ideology.

01:24:19.740 And there's, like, macro blame and micro blame, and micro blame, I blame the person who pulls the trigger and the people who are complicit in the pulling of the trigger.

01:24:28.080 Macro blame is also a valid conversation, and they have been utterly, utterly unwilling since, I would say, the first, like, six hours after what happened to Charlie Kirk, utterly unwilling in the case of what happened in Minnesota.

01:24:42.140 And we saw earlier what happened in Nashville that the Biden administration tried to cover up.

01:24:47.220 They have been utterly unwilling, in the aftermath of any of these tragedies, to shoulder any serious burden of how their own rhetoric might be responsible in the macro sense.

01:24:59.160 They have deflected all of it.

01:25:00.700 And it's like, again, even if—let's just say they're right.

01:25:03.860 They're not, but let's say they are, about right-wing violence.

01:25:06.800 How disgusting is it, if you're Jimmy Kimmel, to only cry after you get in trouble and to not be in mourning, like, immediately for the—like, this—I think they've just totally underestimated how traumatic what happened to Charlie Kirk was for the country.

01:25:21.160 And they got back to, like, yucking it up pretty quickly and pointing the finger.

01:25:25.740 And that is insane, and it sucks, and I think it's exposed some really, like, bad people as just bad people.

01:25:32.340 I totally agree.

01:25:34.140 Oh, well said.

01:25:35.680 All right, ladies, I got to go because I have a segment I'm going to do by myself that you don't need to stick around for, but I love talking to you.

01:25:43.180 And thank you so much for being here.

01:25:44.820 Eliana, hang in there. 0.65

01:25:46.200 I'm so happy for you.

01:25:47.880 Thank you.

01:25:49.300 All right, we'll see you again soon.

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01:28:58.560 I wanted to talk to you about one specific thing before we go.

01:29:02.640 And it's it's very annoying.

01:29:05.340 As you may know, there is a campaign with which I've had almost nothing to do on Charlie Kirk's feelings about Israel before he was killed.

01:29:18.420 We did one segment on the show last Wednesday with the guys from fifth column where I played four minutes of an exchange that Charlie and I had on August 6th about that very subject, because as far as I know, I'm one of the only ones who actually has Charlie on tape talking about that a month before he was killed.

01:29:36.660 And so my position is, you don't have to wonder how Charlie was feeling about the situation with Israel.

01:29:44.000 Here he is on camera telling you.

01:29:46.300 So that is why I ran that segment.

01:29:47.680 And I explained to the audience the reason that I was doing it is because there was a lot of talk about Charlie and Israel.

01:29:54.340 Candace Owens had brought it up and others had brought it up.

01:29:57.540 And she had reporting about a meeting with Bill Ackman allegedly putting pressure on Charlie to be more pro Israel right after his turning point event.

01:30:05.820 I've heard that same reporting from others, but I wasn't weighing in on that one way or the other.

01:30:10.620 I wasn't there and I didn't have my own sourcing on that.

01:30:12.980 I was just trying to say, if this is in the news right now, I've got him.

01:30:16.420 Most people didn't even know we did that interview.

01:30:19.080 A lot of people listen to the show, but not everybody.

01:30:21.540 So here it is.

01:30:22.980 Let me play this for you in his own words.

01:30:25.740 And in that exchange, you can go back and listen to it.

01:30:27.880 We replayed it again last Wednesday.

01:30:30.320 But the sum and substance of it was Charlie was saying he did feel unfairly attacked by some who are pro Israel for mild criticism he'd been offering as of late about Israel.

01:30:44.400 He didn't like it.

01:30:45.360 He didn't like being called an anti-Semite.

01:30:47.020 He felt he had earned the benefit of the doubt with the pro Israel crowd because he's been very ardently pro Israel.

01:30:55.000 And I was expressing my own similar feelings because I felt like I was in the same boat.

01:30:59.520 I said, I've said almost nothing about Israel.

01:31:02.320 Literally, I've said almost nothing.

01:31:03.580 But I was also getting very weird pushback.

01:31:07.140 When I was on with Tucker recently, he mentioned this, and I'll just read it to you.

01:31:14.480 This was an article that was put out by the American Jewish Committee.

01:31:19.860 They purport to stand for the rights of American Jews across the world.

01:31:26.360 And this was after Charlie's event, at which I said nothing about Israel.

01:31:31.000 I just it was at the Turning Point event.

01:31:32.540 We were talking all about Epstein.

01:31:33.900 And he said, do you think he's Intel?

01:31:36.100 And I said, it seems like he was some sort of an asset being used as Intel, probably Mossad.

01:31:42.000 That was my guess.

01:31:42.820 Since Ehud Barak had been spending the nights in Jeffrey Epstein's home, it seemed like he was very close with Israelis and their leaders.

01:31:50.560 And there's an Israeli guy who specifically said Epstein was Mossad.

01:31:57.900 He was a Mossad asset and that this guy was his handler.

01:32:00.500 I had an argument about this with Ben Shapiro.

01:32:02.780 So, look, that was I wasn't saying for sure.

01:32:05.300 I was saying he could be ours, could be theirs.

01:32:07.300 That's it.

01:32:07.980 That's literally it.

01:32:09.780 And this American Jewish Committee puts out the following.

01:32:12.340 Charlie Kirk and Megyn Kelly floated the baseless conspiracy theory that Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossad agent and admitted that they had no evidence.

01:32:19.520 That doesn't matter because what people will remember is the lie.

01:32:22.740 This isn't just irresponsible.

01:32:24.360 It's a textbook example of how right wing anti-Semitism, anti-Semitism spreads through conspiracies dressed up as innocent speculation.

01:32:32.200 They gave oxygen to an age old trope of Jewish control. 0.98

01:32:34.640 And in today's climate, that's not just offensive.

01:32:36.420 It's dangerous.

01:32:37.820 So strongly object to that.

01:32:40.000 I'm sorry that there are tropes about Jews.

01:32:42.260 I've been fighting against them for years.

01:32:44.240 It's bullshit.

01:32:45.760 I hate anti-Semitism.

01:32:47.500 I honestly it's I've seen what my Jewish friends have gone through over the past two years.

01:32:52.100 So they have to worry about getting killed when they go to temple.

01:32:55.740 It's absurd.

01:32:57.560 It's it's terrible what's happened on college campuses.

01:33:00.440 The tearing down of the hostage posters.

01:33:02.940 I mean, I've been at the forefront and criticizing it.

01:33:05.700 But to say that in speculating about why Jeffrey Epstein got away with so much, maybe he was intel.

01:33:13.540 And I again, I didn't just say about Israel.

01:33:15.760 It was like, I don't know whose he was.

01:33:17.180 Mossad could make sense.

01:33:18.400 We could make sense.

01:33:19.660 That's crazy talk.

01:33:21.860 You know, you can't have every speculation about Israel or mild criticism of Israel turn into anti-Semitism.

01:33:28.120 All along, they've, you know, people have been saying the Israeli defenders, you can criticize Israel.

01:33:33.760 Just don't be anti-Semitic.

01:33:34.980 Well, don't try to take a criticism of Israel and make it anti-Semitism because it upsets people who love love our Jewish friends and love Israel.

01:33:43.160 Just stop.

01:33:43.700 So Charlie was offended.

01:33:45.080 He didn't like it.

01:33:45.700 I didn't like it.

01:33:46.420 And now enter this jerk, Abe Greenwald.

01:33:52.660 He is a commentator.

01:33:54.320 He's executive editor of Commentary Magazine.

01:33:56.860 And he decided to attack me.

01:34:02.460 And he came out last Wednesday after our show with the Fifth Column guys in which I made clear.

01:34:10.920 I made very clear, of course, I am not playing this soundbite from Charlie because I think Israel had any relevance whatsoever when it comes to Charlie's assassination. 0.66

01:34:21.740 As you know, I'm really clear on who killed Charlie.

01:34:24.720 I believe that it was this trans guy.

01:34:27.060 Well, guy dating the trans guy. 0.68

01:34:30.820 And the Fifth Column and I had the following exchange around that Charlie soundbite and around some of the reporting about the Bill Ackman meeting.

01:34:37.140 Again, which I took no position on.

01:34:38.680 I wasn't there.

01:34:39.180 Watch this.

01:34:40.060 It's Hot 49.

01:34:41.780 I wonder why, you know, before Charlie Kirk had been buried, the number of people that were talking about Israel.

01:34:49.780 That's the thing that concerns me about why this is coming up.

01:34:52.920 Why is it about the pet issue that she's been talking about?

01:34:55.800 I think obsessively for every time I tune in to like in these totally crazy ways.

01:35:01.660 I mean, the guy Ian Carroll.

01:35:02.740 Well, I don't know if this is true of Candace.

01:35:05.020 But obviously some people.

01:35:06.660 No, no, no.

01:35:07.160 But I was just going to say, but some people obviously were wondering whether Israel had a hand in this.

01:35:13.920 I mean, that's clearly why it's come up.

01:35:16.340 And there's zero evidence of that.

01:35:19.740 And there's zero evidence of that is what I said.

01:35:22.720 Then I went on Tucker's show, his live show that Wednesday night, and said exactly the same thing.

01:35:26.980 Zero evidence.

01:35:27.720 I said, I don't believe and I know you don't believe that Israel had anything to do with Charlie's murder.

01:35:32.260 But we talked about that same strain of like, why is there so much pressure against people who say other things about Israel that are not flattering?

01:35:40.540 You know, yes, Tucker's gotten more and more critical of Israel.

01:35:44.760 Separate now out the Charlie thing.

01:35:46.100 He's gotten very critical of Israel because he is worried about what's happening to Christians over there.

01:35:50.400 And he's very worried that the United States is going to get pulled into that war like we almost were when they launched a side war against Iran.

01:35:59.040 He's entitled to say that.

01:36:00.580 And when I went on Tucker's show, he and I talked about like the level of pressure on Charlie and on me to like cancel our friends, to stop talking to Tucker.

01:36:12.840 Charlie, I respect Candace.

01:36:15.380 I don't know her personally, but I'm dear friends with Tucker.

01:36:18.380 But I've certainly had pressure to completely cut ties with Tucker.

01:36:23.140 And I know Charlie had pressure to completely cut ties with Candace. 0.57

01:36:27.160 And by the way, Charlie spoke to that, too.

01:36:28.560 So I'm going to show you part of my discussion with Tucker, and then I'll get to the message from Abe Greenwald.

01:36:33.100 Watch this.

01:36:34.560 And I just want to add as a period to this, as a footnote, I guess, to this, Tucker, you have a lot of it, too.

01:36:41.140 And it is the reason why Charlie is not the only one who's been threatened or was threatened to cut ties with you or not platform you.

01:36:52.580 I, too, have gotten that, especially since you've been more outspoken on Israel.

01:36:56.380 And I couldn't care less the amount of pressure they put on.

01:37:00.840 I'm like, what are you talking about?

01:37:02.940 This is madness.

01:37:04.240 Why would you want to silence such a powerful, important voice just because you disagree with them on one subject, one on which we've all watched you sincerely evolve as you grapple with principles you've been espousing for years?

01:37:17.840 Like America First, like what's happening to Christians, like what's best for us and our kids here? 0.99

01:37:23.960 How do I keep them safe?

01:37:25.400 That's my number one priority.

01:37:26.740 And I've been just absolutely disgusted and recoiled from people who have tried to pressure me on it.

01:37:32.300 It, of course, never happened.

01:37:33.760 But I know from speaking to Charlie, he felt it, too.

01:37:36.380 You've heard it from Charlie that he felt.

01:37:38.440 And there is a layer here of nefarious pressure to have certain narratives go only one way.

01:37:46.640 Yes.

01:37:47.060 That must be called out and must be fought.

01:37:49.680 And let's face it, Charlie was like an unofficial spokesperson for the youth of America, in particular conservative youth.

01:37:57.300 And I don't know if people have checked, but they no longer support Israel.

01:38:01.020 Everybody under 30 is against Israel.

01:38:03.320 Charlie was 31.

01:38:04.100 And so as a friend, he's saying to them, the same way I, as a friend, am saying, I am telling you, you've lost Dems independence and you're starting to lose Republicans.

01:38:14.800 You need to wrap it up.

01:38:16.540 You've had a two-year long leash.

01:38:19.180 I know you want your hostages back, but this cannot go on until you have every hostage back.

01:38:23.920 It's just not going to, you're going to lose every friend you have.

01:38:27.240 And that's what he was saying because that's what he was hearing from his constituency.

01:38:32.200 I, like you, have zero belief that this had anything to do with his death.

01:38:37.660 Okay, so I think it's pretty clear.

01:38:39.840 Before I get to Abe Greenwald, Mark Levin, to whom I've always been very nice, very kind.

01:38:44.800 I have had no problem with Mark Levin.

01:38:46.500 I see him arguing with everybody online.

01:38:48.220 It's not my fight.

01:38:48.860 He tweets out that segment, a piece of it, where I said everybody under 30 is against Israel with Tucker and says such disgusting bullshit, sick and getting sicker.

01:39:00.800 They continue to reveal themselves.

01:39:02.900 What is he talking about?

01:39:04.620 It's not disgusting bullshit.

01:39:05.880 There was an article in the New York Post just the other day.

01:39:08.480 More than 60% of American Gen Z supports Hamas over Israel.

01:39:12.220 Gallup just released a poll, I mean, days ago.

01:39:16.440 Only about one in 10 adults under the age of 35 say they approve of Israel's military choices in Gaza.

01:39:21.940 One in 10 adults under age 35.

01:39:24.220 What I said was exactly right, entirely accurate.

01:39:27.960 There is no cause for Mark Levin to be attacking me or Tucker over that discussion.

01:39:33.140 He's out of line.

01:39:34.880 People have been asking me to name names.

01:39:36.600 Like, who's attacking you?

01:39:37.480 Because I said, like, but you get attacked.

01:39:38.580 I'm going to name some names here.

01:39:40.740 Mark Levin is one of them.

01:39:41.740 Shame on him.

01:39:43.860 Like Charlie felt, you get no credit for being an open supporter of Israel.

01:39:48.380 How many times can I say I am?

01:39:50.100 Like, how many discussions have we had on this show?

01:39:52.680 You guys know this.

01:39:53.820 This is really gross, and I object to it, same as Charlie did.

01:39:57.300 So now enter this guy, Abe Greenwald.

01:39:59.780 So, by the way, on the subject of Commentary Magazine and Commentary's podcast with John Pedoritz as the main host, who I love.

01:40:06.840 I think John Pedoritz is one of the most brilliant people we have.

01:40:09.460 I really have admired him.

01:40:10.880 I love Christine, who's on that show.

01:40:13.180 Noah Rothman used to be on that show.

01:40:15.060 Matt Continetti, brilliant.

01:40:16.960 Like, these are guys I've listened to for years.

01:40:19.620 And Abe Greenwald's on that podcast as well, who I've also enjoyed.

01:40:23.380 They've been on this podcast.

01:40:24.860 I had them over after 10-7.

01:40:26.440 So, I was shocked to receive this message.

01:40:30.180 And I promoted that podcast.

01:40:31.400 You may recall me mentioning that multiple times in the show.

01:40:34.560 Abe Greenwald DMs me on X last Wednesday, September 17th.

01:40:39.680 Keep going with the Candace theory.

01:40:41.680 I think you got a real winner there.

01:40:43.420 I'm sure you'll be vindicated.

01:40:45.080 Stellar work.

01:40:45.820 So, he's being a sarcastic asshole.

01:40:49.820 And I couldn't believe it.

01:40:51.160 Like, what Candace theory?

01:40:52.500 Candace has got her theory.

01:40:53.480 Take it up with her if you don't like what she's saying.

01:40:55.460 I distinctly said my own thing, which was not to endorse anything in particular about Candace,

01:41:00.540 other than to say, I do know how Charlie felt.

01:41:03.400 And here it is.

01:41:05.200 Play.

01:41:05.580 So, I finally got around to responding yesterday and wrote,

01:41:10.720 I actually can't believe you're sending me hate mail as I'm grieving a dear friend getting his neck blown out before my very eyes,

01:41:18.600 which you fucking know. 0.87

01:41:20.640 I never endorsed any Candace theory.

01:41:23.220 You're such a douche.

01:41:25.140 And I have to pat myself on the back because that's exactly how I was feeling.

01:41:27.940 And I said it with exactly the words I wanted to say it.

01:41:30.380 And he responded today.

01:41:32.860 I'm greatly moved by your grief.

01:41:35.780 And what's more, awed by the strength it must have taken given your state to amplify the paranoid conspiracy theory of a well-known lunatic Jew hater.

01:41:46.080 So, this is what we're dealing with.

01:41:48.640 How, pray tell, am I supposed to deal with somebody like this?

01:41:53.640 Who proceeds in the absolute worst faith?

01:41:57.540 Who gives you zero chips in the bank for being an ardent defender of Israel and American,

01:42:05.080 Jewish people going through what they've been going through?

01:42:08.020 And this is one of the leading voices, one of the leading Jewish voices in America.

01:42:13.100 And he seems pretty aligned with what the American Jewish Committee said.

01:42:16.340 It's disgusting.

01:42:17.440 And I have to tell you, it's undermining the very cause that he's hoping to promote.

01:42:25.660 Like, this is not the way you treat your friends.

01:42:27.920 Know the difference between a friend and an enemy.

01:42:31.100 Israel and those who support it, they have enough enemies without making one out of somebody who loves them. 1.00

01:42:37.840 And one other thing, on the subject of pressure to abandon your friends, which I'm, it's never going to happen.

01:42:43.840 Okay, just stop.

01:42:44.560 Nobody should be leaning on me to abandon my friendship with Tucker, to not platform Tucker.

01:42:49.260 And it's not just Tucker.

01:42:50.180 I get this about Glenn Greenwald, too.

01:42:53.560 Let's just stop.

01:42:54.860 That's not ever going to happen.

01:42:57.080 I don't believe their ideas are so vile that they cannot be platformed here.

01:43:01.560 I'm interested in what they have to say.

01:43:02.820 I'm going to disagree with them.

01:43:04.220 That's fine.

01:43:05.520 They're my friends.

01:43:06.560 I'm very interested in their opinions, and I always find them respectfully expressed.

01:43:11.020 I mean, Glenn has a lot of really, like, ways into the Israel conflict that I don't get to hear that often, since I am such a supporter.

01:43:19.560 And I would like to open my mind to what the side that's more critical of Israel is saying.

01:43:24.780 And Tucker has a totally different, like, angle on the story, which I also find interesting.

01:43:30.060 I may agree with it.

01:43:30.820 I may not.

01:43:31.360 But I don't get this, like, shut down your ears.

01:43:34.800 Do not listen.

01:43:36.300 Treat them like a pariah.

01:43:38.040 You know, that's crazy talk to me.

01:43:40.080 And I happen to know that Charlie felt exactly the same.

01:43:42.180 And the reason I happen to know it is because he said it on camera not long before he was killed at one of his events where he was asked about his dear friend Candace Owens.

01:43:51.520 Watch.

01:43:51.820 How is your relationship with Candace Owens nowadays?

01:43:54.740 She's a great friend.

01:43:55.620 You know, look, I don't agree with everything Candace says, but you know what I don't do?

01:43:59.240 I don't stop being friends with people just because people morally blackmail me.

01:44:03.020 I don't do that, and you shouldn't either.

01:44:05.520 Look, I have different views on things as Candace.

01:44:08.060 I have different views on Israel than Candace.

01:44:09.860 I have different views on a lot of geopolitics.

01:44:12.060 But honestly, I traveled the country with Candace.

01:44:13.720 I went to her wedding.

01:44:14.920 I saw her meet her husband.

01:44:16.440 I went to Israel with Candace, which is a fun story I'll tell you at some point.

01:44:20.000 But what I don't like is when people demand, you must stop being friends with somebody.

01:44:24.440 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:44:25.140 That's a left-wing tactic.

01:44:27.380 Don't do that.

01:44:27.960 I'm not saying you do that, but other people do that.

01:44:29.780 We should never resort to that.

01:44:31.920 In fact, if you believe what I believe, shouldn't you want me to be friends with people that don't agree with us?

01:44:37.200 Shouldn't you want me to also be a tool of influence?

01:44:40.280 And so I think the world of Candace, she's a great mother.

01:44:43.320 She certainly has very, very fun opinions at times.

01:44:47.060 And she's a great talent.

01:44:49.080 She says a lot of stuff that sometimes I don't agree with.

01:44:51.540 But that's what makes our relationship and our friendship interesting.

01:44:55.200 My advice to all of you, you might not like somebody,

01:44:57.660 but never tell somebody like me to stop being friends with somebody on an interpersonal level

01:45:01.980 just because of disagreement.

01:45:03.480 It's bad.

01:45:04.260 It's what the left does.

01:45:05.020 And we should rise above it as conservatives.

01:45:06.360 Thank you so much.

01:45:07.500 So it's very irritating.

01:45:09.780 And I really like I this is not true of all Jewish people or even their, you know, 0.97

01:45:15.920 loudest spokespeople.

01:45:16.720 I've never gotten this kind of grief from John Podoretz, again, who's also on that podcast.

01:45:21.120 There's something wrong with this guy, Abe, obviously.

01:45:23.180 Uh, but I urge my Jewish friends not to go there, not to do this shit. 0.99

01:45:28.640 You know, I don't think any speculation about Israel belongs in the Charlie Kirk discussion.

01:45:33.040 I set the record straight by playing his four minute clip.

01:45:36.460 But I also think criticism of Israel on a standalone subject is entirely fair game.

01:45:42.060 Charlie felt it.

01:45:42.940 I feel it.

01:45:44.180 And I've just had it.

01:45:45.940 I've had it up to here with the Mark Levins and Abe Greenwalds of the world.

01:45:50.000 So that's that.

01:45:51.340 Thank you all for joining me today.

01:45:53.680 And tomorrow we're going to be thrilled to bring you the one and only NERV host, Maureen

01:45:58.900 Callahan.

01:45:59.920 We're looking forward to that.

01:46:01.060 See you then.

01:46:03.620 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 25, 2025

Kimmel's Smug Double Down, Violent Left Rhetoric, and Free Speech Hypocrisy, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 1157

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