The Megyn Kelly Show - Kimmel's ＂Widow＂ Double Standard, Left Celebrates Political Violence, and Newsom's Hypocrisy, with Stu Burguiere ｜ Ep. 1305

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00:00:57.380 please play responsibly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show,

00:01:00.900 live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:10.700 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Tuesday.

00:01:15.040 We are learning more about the disturbing past of White House Correspondents' Dinner,

00:01:19.140 would-be assassin Cole Allen, and the shocking things the left is saying about assassination.

00:01:26.100 I would like to tell you you're going to be shocked, but you're not going to be.

00:01:30.260 We may have found the most unhinged comment of all on this whole thing from altogether now, Joy Reid.

00:01:38.200 But we've got to start the show with ABC's chief narcissist and so-called late night comedian, Jimmy Kimmel.

00:01:46.860 What is he still doing on the air?

00:01:49.440 Like, why is he still there?

00:01:50.900 We told you yesterday how President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump are both calling on ABC to fire him over this so-called joke Kimmel made on Thursday.

00:02:05.160 Of course, our First Lady Melania is here.

00:02:08.280 Look at Melania, so beautiful.

00:02:09.600 Mrs. Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow.

00:02:14.060 Now, that is obviously an abhorrent, tasteless attempt at humor.

00:02:18.500 it's super fun and funny to talk about Trump being assassinated. That's just so funny and

00:02:25.980 suggesting that she's going to enjoy it. She wants him dead. That's very clearly the implication of 1.00

00:02:31.760 the joke. She wants him dead and is looking forward to it. That's why she's glowing. Why 0.99

00:02:38.540 else would there be a glow, Jimmy? But if you're going to give Kimmel the benefit of the doubt,

00:02:44.040 you have to remember, he said that Thursday, well before Saturday's attempted assassination

00:02:48.420 of Trump. OK, but it was after all the other assassination attempts. Like, I don't accept

00:02:58.060 that. I realize he made this comment before Saturday's attempted assassination. Does anyone

00:03:05.060 remember a prior assassination attempt on Trump? One that preceded Thursday? I do. I do. I remember

00:03:13.120 I remember a few of them, actually, two extremely prominent.

00:03:18.320 A third got less coverage, but there were at least three and one nearly killed him.

00:03:24.860 So it's really not funny.

00:03:25.980 You know, those of us who remember the news like more than a day's worth don't think it's really funny to joke about assassinating Trump, you know, because like it almost happened many times.

00:03:38.340 So it might be something a comedian in good taste, like one who's broadcasting every night on the network as opposed to at the great comedy cellar where anything goes, might want to uphold a certain standard of decorum and not joke about the thing that nearly happened and horrified a nation.

00:03:58.780 But Jimmy Kimmel has no class.

00:04:01.460 He has no standard of decency.

00:04:03.300 We've seen that repeatedly.

00:04:04.380 Why did he think it was OK to joke about Charlie Kirk's assassination before Charlie was even in the ground?

00:04:13.040 Remember when he suggested that the killer might be MAGA, which is not true and there was zero evidence of it.

00:04:19.620 But somehow he thought that was funny, too.

00:04:21.140 He has no class.

00:04:23.660 OK, so Melania, as you know, was seated right next to President Trump on Saturday night, completely exposed on stage. 0.72

00:04:33.140 She obviously was scared.

00:04:34.580 You could see it in the screen grab that's been circulating of her face the moment she

00:04:37.880 realized that those were gunshots.

00:04:39.600 And she's sitting next to the man for whom they were clearly intended.

00:04:45.620 So Kimmel made the joke before that, but then he sees that and he goes back on the air on

00:04:54.060 Monday to address that.

00:04:56.620 And you would think if you're in Jimmy Kimmel's shoes, I said this yesterday, that you maybe 0.95

00:05:01.740 had an oh shit moment when you saw this happen like oh my god i just made a joke about him 0.85

00:05:07.020 getting assassinated this is gonna blow back on me and you might go out on the air on monday and 0.98

00:05:12.420 just say you know what it was a tasteless joke i apologize obviously i don't want anything to

00:05:18.380 happen to the president or first lady that's not exactly how it went watch this was thursday and

00:05:24.860 there was no big reaction to it until this morning when i greeted the day facing yet another twitter

00:05:30.960 vomit storm and a call to fire me from our first lady melania trump saying i should be fired

00:05:39.240 because of a joke i made again five nights ago it was a pretend roast i said our first lady 0.56

00:05:45.220 melania is here look at her so beautiful mrs trump you have a glow like an expectant widow which

00:05:51.060 obviously was a joke about their age difference and the look of joy we see on her face every

00:06:00.020 time they're together it was a very light roast joke about the fact that he's almost 80 and she's

00:06:05.300 younger than i am it was not by any stretch of the definition a call to assassination and they

00:06:11.960 know that i've been very vocal for many years speaking out against gun violence in particular

00:06:16.820 but i understand that the first lady had a stressful experience over the weekend

00:06:20.380 and probably every weekend is pretty stressful in that house and also i agree that hateful and 0.59

00:06:26.920 violent rhetoric is something we should reject. I do. And I think a great place to start to dial

00:06:32.060 that back would be to have a conversation with your husband about it. Ah, okay. So it's all

00:06:39.180 on Trump. It's Trump's fault. You need to talk to your husband about hateful rhetoric. I'm not

00:06:46.520 excusing all the things that Trump says, but Jimmy Kimmel's responsible for his own comments,

00:06:52.600 his own behavior. And if he actually wants us to believe that he agrees hateful and violent rhetoric

00:06:59.600 is bad, he needs to explain why he continues to do it. Because that clearly was not a joke

00:07:05.260 about age difference. It was an assassination joke. We all know that. It's obvious. Only people

00:07:12.760 suffering from Trump derangement syndrome would believe that lie. Okay. No, he did not explicitly 0.87

00:07:20.060 call for violence there, but there is no question he crossed the decency and good taste line on

00:07:27.200 network television. All right. He suggested Melania Trump wants her husband dead. And given

00:07:35.100 the context of what we've seen, that obviously carries a potential import of assassination,

00:07:42.420 which again now has nearly happened to Trump four times, three prior to his joke. Did we see

00:07:49.880 Trump have a heart attack in recent history? Did we see Trump get diagnosed with a devastating

00:07:56.740 potential cancer? Did we see Trump almost get hit by a bus? None of those things happened.

00:08:03.220 What happened was three times he was nearly assassinated. That's obviously what this

00:08:08.820 cretin is talking about. He's just scared shitless now because once again, he's stepped in it and he 1.00

00:08:14.120 doesn't want his precious show to be canceled. God forbid he'd be relegated to the podcast world.

00:08:19.580 Oh, Lahara.

00:08:22.120 He needs to be on that stage.

00:08:25.000 It makes him feel important.

00:08:27.200 So now he's lying.

00:08:29.160 He's lying and saying that this was about something other than it was.

00:08:33.300 Oh, just the age difference.

00:08:34.620 Oh, you know, it's like a, it's just the age difference,

00:08:36.800 the May-December romance between the two of them.

00:08:39.640 He's desperate.

00:08:41.440 He's irrelevant.

00:08:43.160 I don't know why we spend so much time on him,

00:08:44.780 but he continues to say the most vile things from a very prominent perch.

00:08:48.480 and therefore we all feel obligated to say, 1.00

00:08:50.520 what the fuck, ABC? 0.99

00:08:52.680 It's not just Kimmel, though. 1.00

00:08:54.500 It's not just Kimmel.

00:08:55.380 You would think if you were a leftist,

00:08:57.880 now might be a good time if you like Kimmel 0.99

00:09:00.480 and you hate Trump, just keep your mouth shut.

00:09:02.840 Don't pile on because you could get dragged down too. 0.57

00:09:06.360 It's not a time for you to stand up for him.

00:09:08.680 He needs to twist and eventually be cut loose, not saved.

00:09:13.660 But the problem is George Clooney has a God complex.

00:09:17.740 Remember when he was lecturing yours truly about how to do good journalism?

00:09:22.300 Because he played a journalist in a movie and he thought it made him a journalism expert?

00:09:30.980 George, sorry, it doesn't work like that.

00:09:34.680 He has a God complex. 0.99

00:09:37.240 Just the way he talks, you know, like with his little head cock, you know, like, 0.99

00:09:42.260 and then everything's like through his squinted eyes, like he's got bad eyesight, you know, like. 0.99

00:09:47.040 Let me tell you, let me tell you, barely looking up, you know, like he's been punched in the face

00:09:52.300 too many times. He's got to like, kind of look up to make his little comments. He looks like

00:09:56.440 something's wrong with him. He's got some permanent crick in his neck. He had like neck surgery that

00:10:00.300 went bad. He looks bizarre. In any event, he also looks very old, which is part of his problem

00:10:05.400 because he's out of touch. He truly is out of touch. And like what modern standards of decency

00:10:10.360 are, he thinks this is fine. He is truly the most sanctimonious man in show business.

00:10:17.040 And he was at his own gala where he was receiving an honor, yet another honor for George Clooney.

00:10:24.580 So he and his absurd wife showed up and he chose his moment, you know, just like, you know how he thinks the Democrat Party is just waiting for the next word from George Clooney after he wrote his little op-ed that the Biden he saw at that fundraiser was not the Biden that he had known.

00:10:43.260 and he was so brave to speak truth to power.

00:10:47.180 And then Jake Tapper interviewed him after the fact

00:10:49.760 and he was like, you know, well, my party,

00:10:51.120 my party was lying.

00:10:53.500 My party wasn't telling the truth.

00:10:54.880 So I, George Clooney, had to do it.

00:10:56.660 After the debate meltdown, after Biden's,

00:10:59.900 George Clooney didn't find his courage

00:11:01.540 when Joe Biden could still get away with his lies

00:11:04.640 about his mental health.

00:11:06.340 It was only when we saw the debate meltdown

00:11:08.900 that was undeniable and we all realized how infirm he was

00:11:12.480 that finally George Clooney, realizing they were going to lose, found his backbone and spoke truth

00:11:18.880 to power. So that's George. Okay. He's going to lecture me about how to do my journalism.

00:11:25.080 He's going to lecture the Democrat party about its lies that he himself participated in

00:11:32.120 until the moment when he realized that they were going to cost the Democrats that

00:11:36.680 seat, the White House. And now he's got a thing to say about Jimmy Kimmel. Watch.

00:11:44.820 Jimmy's a comedian. And I would argue that Caroline Levitt didn't mean shots should be fired, 0.98

00:11:50.960 right? She was making a joke. Fair enough. So I look at that side and go, well, jokes are jokes.

00:11:57.100 But the rhetoric, I think, is a little dangerous. And we've seen it a lot lately.

00:12:03.100 OK, he's referencing their phrase Caroline Leavitt used before the dinner on Saturday night on the red carpet about what to expect from President Trump's speech at the correspondence dinner.

00:12:17.620 Caroline obviously was actually not joking.

00:12:21.580 That was not a joke.

00:12:23.060 It's what we call an idiom.

00:12:25.920 George, figurative speech, something that cannot literally be true.

00:12:32.100 It doesn't make it wouldn't make sense if it were literally true.

00:12:34.940 She was not joking that the president was going to shoot people. 0.98

00:12:38.560 OK, it's like our pigs flying. 0.98

00:12:42.080 It's an idiom, a figure of speech meant to connote a certain meaning here that the president

00:12:49.440 was going to be launching broadsides against various members of the press for their reporting,

00:12:56.320 which is the bread and butter of what the president's supposed to do at the correspondence

00:13:00.700 dinner, as I was telling you guys yesterday. That's exactly what you hope he does. The general

00:13:04.320 rule is singed, don't burn. And she seemed to be suggesting there might be a few who get burned.

00:13:09.260 But once again, that's another idiom. When no one's actually expecting the president to burn

00:13:14.200 people. OK, so it's actually not a joke. And the difference is meaningful here. He's trying to say

00:13:21.080 she was yucking it up. Oh, he's going to be shooting the shots. Same as Jimmy Kimmel, 0.99

00:13:27.940 who said she had the expectant glow of a widow.

00:13:31.180 That's not what happened. 1.00

00:13:33.360 Caroline Levitt used a figure of speech. 1.00

00:13:36.960 There'll be some shots fired, rhetorical shots fired.

00:13:40.800 She wasn't joking.

00:13:42.200 She actually was in good humor predicting

00:13:44.320 that the president was going to do exactly that,

00:13:47.480 which is acceptable and the reason he gets invited.

00:13:51.760 It's expected and welcomed by members of the press corps.

00:13:57.000 That's not at all the same as what Jimmy Kimmel did, which was a bad taste, classless, borderline call for violence.

00:14:08.520 It's borderline.

00:14:09.740 I grant you that.

00:14:10.620 It's not explicit.

00:14:11.540 But given the context, you could make the case.

00:14:13.960 I could make the case in front of a jury pretty easily, actually. 0.92

00:14:17.680 Even Melania wants him dead. 0.96

00:14:20.740 Cole, Mr. Cole, even Melania would like him dead. 0.98

00:14:25.660 you'd be doing her a favor. It's really what he was saying. Okay. It was a joke. I agree.

00:14:31.720 The question is whether, whether it was in good taste, whether it had class and whether it should

00:14:38.220 be allowed at a place like ABC. You know who else made a bad taste joke? Roseanne about Valerie

00:14:45.560 Jarrett, when she compared her to somebody in planet of the apes. It was a joke very clearly

00:14:50.880 and she got fired for it on the spot.

00:14:55.020 They said it was racist. 0.97

00:14:57.780 Roseanne plausibly quickly said thereafter, 1.00

00:15:01.020 I didn't even know Valerie Jarrett was black. 1.00

00:15:03.360 She looks totally white, by the way. 0.58

00:15:05.580 She's as white as I am. 0.98

00:15:07.120 I didn't know she was black either. 1.00

00:15:09.480 But okay, so Roseanne gets fired, I mean, immediately. 1.00

00:15:13.640 She was hosting and the star of the number one show 0.65

00:15:17.020 on television at the time, the reboot of her show, Roseanne.

00:15:20.860 ABC, Disney, did not hesitate.

00:15:23.660 She's gone for a joke, a bad taste joke.

00:15:28.380 So where's the line, ABC?

00:15:30.900 Truly, where's the line?

00:15:32.000 Because the rest of us are trying to play by your rules.

00:15:35.800 Those of us on the right,

00:15:36.800 we actually are not really big on canceling comedians.

00:15:39.440 And you know what?

00:15:40.280 We haven't been for five, 10 years.

00:15:44.900 But we watched you do it repeatedly.

00:15:47.720 We watched the left do it.

00:15:48.940 whether it was Shane Gillis because he made an accent,

00:15:53.720 he did an Asian accent, he got yanked from SNL,

00:15:58.960 that he got canceled. 0.55

00:16:00.460 Remember, he wasn't okay. 0.83

00:16:01.700 We talked with a comedian from our evil top hat, Canada, 0.92

00:16:05.320 who was trying to make it here and up in Canada 1.00

00:16:07.540 when we first launched this show,

00:16:09.440 talking about how he could not get cast anywhere.

00:16:11.820 It wasn't a cancellation, but it was effectively a blacklisting

00:16:14.100 because he's a white guy during the COVID mania,

00:16:17.380 the George Floyd-a-palooza time.

00:16:19.380 We could go through it.

00:16:20.160 We've had a lot of comedians on this show.

00:16:22.120 A lot of them.

00:16:22.680 Tim Dillon, Andrew Schultz,

00:16:23.760 they've all talked about this dynamic.

00:16:25.540 They came for the comedians

00:16:26.660 and apparently Clooney missed it

00:16:28.640 because he didn't stand up for anybody

00:16:30.240 and their jokes then.

00:16:32.580 Kept his mouth shut.

00:16:34.960 He was happy to see them suffer

00:16:37.100 as he rolled around in his millions of Lake Como

00:16:40.120 thinking he's better than everybody.

00:16:42.680 So, look, as long as George wants to speak out,

00:16:46.920 He's in the mood for a chat. He wants to talk about rhetoric. We can do that. Would love to ask him. And if that reporter had any stones, would have about his one million dollar donation to the Southern Poverty Law Center or SPLC.

00:16:59.320 Now that the group has been indicted for funding so-called hate organizations through paying what it claims were informants.

00:17:08.420 See, George gave them a million dollars.

00:17:11.000 They used that million dollars to hire people to go cause the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally.

00:17:20.820 The SPLC was allegedly funding that rally and half the people behind it with payments from people like George's girl died at that event. She got hit by a car. Does George take any responsibility to George feel like he should apologize and he should say, I got I didn't know.

00:17:42.160 I had no idea. I'm going to take my money back. Right? Like, it's ridiculous. And God forbid,

00:17:50.720 God forbid the reporters there do their homework and actually just ask him a tough question. But

00:17:54.780 no, he just goes to be honored, you see. And then he does his little head cock squinty eye thing,

00:18:00.880 his little shakes. He's got like, what is he at Parkinson's? He's like always shaking

00:18:03.920 and offers his little sanctimonious opinion. Fuck off. Okay. He's just an actor. All right. 1.00

00:18:11.360 what about the so-called serious journalists? What do the serious journalists think about

00:18:17.080 Jimmy Kimmel's yuck, yuck, yuck about Melania wanting her husband, the president of the United

00:18:23.860 States, dead? Here's Jake Tapper. It is a big problem of calls for violence and dehumanization,

00:18:31.840 and it's getting worse. But it is not a problem to be wielded like a cudgel to try to stop

00:18:37.780 journalism or jokes. Journalism and jokes are not calls for violence. Calls for violence

00:18:44.440 are calls for violence. And far too many Americans in positions of power and influence

00:18:49.820 are too blase and too glib about those who make them.

00:18:55.120 It's no surprise Tapper's coming to the defense of Jimmy Kimmel. Here's Jake at a 2023 party

00:19:00.500 at Jimmy Kimmel's Lodge in Idaho. My friends, this is why you don't get too close

00:19:07.040 with the people who you might be covering.

00:19:10.180 Honestly, like I, there's a reason I say no

00:19:14.100 to virtually every invitation that comes my way.

00:19:16.880 I don't want to be chummy with these people.

00:19:19.560 I don't want to.

00:19:20.940 I know the odds are high that I'll have to cover them.

00:19:23.980 And that includes the Trump administration,

00:19:25.320 as you guys well know.

00:19:27.400 There will be times when I have to criticize them,

00:19:29.180 as I've done.

00:19:30.540 I just, I don't want to get too chummy

00:19:31.940 with any of these folks.

00:19:33.200 Arms length, cordial, friendly.

00:19:35.840 Okay. But like this, hanging out with Jennifer Aniston and Courtney Cox, Jimmy Fallon. Oh yeah.

00:19:45.620 Okay. I'm sure, I'm sure you did defend Jimmy Kimmel super quick. I'm sure you're looking for

00:19:52.440 another invitation out to Idaho where you should never have gone and you should not be hoping to

00:19:57.540 go again. And that way you might still have your objectivity about the people that are obviously

00:20:02.840 going to come within your coverage ambit as a news anchor. Or how about astronaut Gayle King?

00:20:10.520 I mean, if you want to know if something's out there, who better to go to than an astronaut?

00:20:14.860 Watch. It started last Thursday when Jimmy Kimmel skewered the lack of a comedic emcee at the

00:20:21.360 upcoming White House Correspondents Dinner by hosting a pretend roast of his own. Initially,

00:20:27.180 Kimmel's comments didn't get much pickup. Nancy, I'm glad you put it in context that that joke was

00:20:31.780 made before the Correspondents' Dinner. Jimmy Kimmel's not some crazy person who would wish

00:20:36.560 the president to be killed. He just would not do that. Okay, that's opinion masquerading as fact.

00:20:46.080 Who asked you? Who asked you? You know, everything relates back to broadcast news,

00:20:53.360 one of the greatest movies ever made, where William Hurt is sitting in in the anchor chair

00:20:57.600 for breaking news, and it's his first big assignment at the network. And it's about some

00:21:02.440 attack in Libya by air. And he says at the end of it, in other words, I think we're all going to be

00:21:10.020 okay. And they cut to the network head honcho in the control room saying, who the hell cares what

00:21:16.620 you think? That's how it used to be in network news. That's how it used to be in cable news,

00:21:21.980 do. I mean, honestly, like I, I had to be super careful, you know, like I had to be super careful.

00:21:28.780 You look back, I would debate positions. I would take devil's advocate and so on, but I was very

00:21:34.700 loath to share my own opinion. That was something I had to grow into on this show, which is a

00:21:38.900 different kind of show. It's an opinion show, which has journalism as well, of course, but

00:21:44.340 it's not purely hard news. And that is her opinion. She's sitting there on morning television

00:21:52.720 for CBS News. Who cares what you think? You can't get inside of Jimmy Kimmel's head. And you know 0.53

00:21:59.300 what? If we're going to play that game, I disagree with you strongly. I bet Jimmy Kimmel would love

00:22:05.480 to see Trump assassinated. I don't agree with you at all. I actually think he would love it.

00:22:11.340 But I think he loathes him with a passion as bright as 10,000 suns.

00:22:19.840 I do not give him the benefit of the doubt on that at all.

00:22:22.520 And neither do a lot of your viewers.

00:22:24.680 So keep your mouth shut about your biased opinions because he's your friend and you are the biggest celebrity effer of all.

00:22:33.300 I mean, truly, like in college, they called all the girls who were like giving it up for the lacrosse players at every turn, the jock sniffers.

00:22:39.800 um it's the same for people like gail and some of these other morning show hosts who are celebrity

00:22:46.860 sniffers all they like they just want to land a celebrity you know it's not in their bed it's on

00:22:53.660 their set and they'll do whatever they need to in order to run cover for them sweet talk them 0.97

00:22:58.660 stay in good with them so that they'll come on that's what she's doing there she's looking for 0.91

00:23:03.440 the Jimmy Kimmel text, like, thanks so much for defending me. It's disgusting, the cabal that 0.98

00:23:09.940 they're all part of. We know this guy hates Trump. He has a longstanding pattern of total contempt 0.99

00:23:17.240 for not only the president, but everyone in the MAGA movement, everyone. It wasn't always thus.

00:23:25.680 This was going around on X this morning, and we pulled it because I thought you'd find it

00:23:28.740 interesting. This is from 1981. The Oscars had just been delayed 24 hours after the assassination

00:23:38.060 attempt on President Reagan at the very same Hilton Hotel where the events unfolded this past

00:23:45.480 Saturday. John Hinckley Jr. shot the president, just walked up and shot him. We later found out

00:23:51.940 He was trying to impress Jodie Foster. He did put a bullet in James Brady's head. It changed the debate around guns and presidential safety. And they call this place the Hinkley Hilton now as a result.

00:24:08.080 Okay, but 24 hours after that happened, the Oscars took place.

00:24:14.600 And here is how the legendary Johnny Carson, who created, well, was one of the early pioneers of the late night format, handled the situation then.

00:24:26.180 I'm sure that all of you here and most of you watching tonight understand why we delayed this program for 24 hours.

00:24:32.640 because of the incredible events of yesterday,

00:24:36.640 that old adage, the show must go on, seemed relatively unimportant.

00:24:41.040 The Academy, ABC television, and all of us connected with the show

00:24:44.140 felt because of the uncertain outcome, as of this time yesterday,

00:24:48.220 it would have been inappropriate to stage a celebration.

00:24:52.020 But the news today is very good, as you know.

00:24:53.900 The president is in excellent condition at last reports.

00:24:56.560 He's been conducting business.

00:25:02.640 and he is uh and he happens to be in very good spirits uh after all you must remember this is

00:25:12.980 a man who yesterday while he was in the hospital unable to speak wrote on a sheet of paper

00:25:17.600 all things considered i'd rather be in philadelphia

00:25:20.620 so tonight the show does go on and then he played a video of president ronald reagan

00:25:29.400 I will say Jimmy Kimmel included the line, I'm sorry that you, to the first lady, and the president, and everyone in that room on Saturday, went through that.

00:25:40.420 Sorry you went through that.

00:25:42.880 Okay.

00:25:43.380 What was that again? 0.91

00:25:45.540 Someone came to kill him and make her into a widow? 0.89

00:25:49.820 The thing you said was going to make her glow?

00:25:53.140 We've just fallen so far since then.

00:25:55.960 And there is a real question, too, about ABC and its own standards for its on-air talent.

00:26:05.960 Disney, the mouse, and ABC.

00:26:09.680 And that's where we're going to kick it off with our pal, Stu Bergeer.

00:26:13.840 He is the host of Predictable with Stu.

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00:27:34.160 much, Megan. Great to see you. Great to have you. Okay, so I want to kick it off with ABC's standards.

00:27:41.800 Okay. So this isn't even ABC News. This is ABC, right? Because he's part of the entertainment

00:27:47.180 division. And you know who else was? And I mentioned this yesterday, but I'm going to show

00:27:51.020 you the receipts. Chris Harrison, who hosted The Bachelor and The Bachelorette for literally 20

00:27:58.880 years. I think it was 19 and a half. 20 years he was there working for them, hosting that very

00:28:05.000 successful show. It was a huge franchise for them. The nicest guy. I mean, not controversial

00:28:10.740 at all. Like such a sweet guy, universally liked. And what happened was there was a contestant

00:28:18.720 on The Bachelorette who it turned out, this happened in 2021, it turned out had years earlier

00:28:27.060 gone to a Deep South like antebellum party where they were, they weren't celebrating slavery,

00:28:33.200 but they were celebrating the Deep South.

00:28:34.820 They were dressing like characters in the Deep South

00:28:36.700 with the big gowns, you know, gone with the wind style.

00:28:40.140 And that emerged. 0.83

00:28:42.280 She was a contestant on The Bachelorette 1.00

00:28:44.180 and they said, oh, that's racially insensitive. 1.00

00:28:46.440 Everybody knows the Deep South liked slavery,

00:28:48.560 so you must like slavery.

00:28:49.980 You went to a party where you wore the big fluffy dress.

00:28:52.540 Okay, it was just absurd stuff.

00:28:55.980 And Chris Harrison did something very brave.

00:29:00.100 He felt bad for this gal

00:29:01.260 and he gave an interview an on-camera interview trying to like help her out her name was rachel

00:29:09.460 lindsey uh when he sat on another very light-hearted tv program called extra uh and here he the comments

00:29:16.880 were to rachel lindsey uh and here's what he said saw 12 well i saw a picture of her at a sorority

00:29:22.940 party five years ago and that's it like boom like okay well this this girl is in this book now and

00:29:30.020 she's now in this group and i'm like really okay well there goes the picture was from 2018 at an

00:29:37.480 old south antebellum party so i think you know when you when you it's when you hold that under

00:29:44.800 the lens it's not a good look it's not a good well rachel is it a good look in 2018 or is it

00:29:50.540 not a good look in 2021 because there's a big difference ever because she's celebrating the

00:29:56.260 old south she said if i went to that party what would i represent at that party i don't i don't

00:30:02.100 disagree with you you're you're 100 right in 2021 that was not the case in 2018 again i'm not

00:30:08.600 defending rachel i just know that i don't know 50 million people did that in 2018 between you know

00:30:15.120 it's like there were that was a type of party that a lot of people went to and again i'm not 0.82

00:30:20.320 defending it i didn't go to it we are not looking under the same lens these girls got dressed up

00:30:25.020 and went to a party and had a great time they were 18 years old now does that make it okay i don't

00:30:29.780 know rachel you tell me but where is this lens we're holding up and was that lens available and

00:30:35.620 were we all looking through it in 2018 i don't know i don't have these answers yeah i think

00:30:40.180 that's the problem is we weren't you're right we weren't looking through those lens and we should

00:30:44.680 have been okay so he was making a perfectly valid point the anchor there um was rachel lindsey

00:30:54.960 that the woman they were talking about is named Rachel Kirkconnell, and she was a contestant on 0.99

00:31:00.860 The Bachelor. She was a contestant on The Bachelor. And she wound up like, I don't know, then then she

00:31:10.400 went on to become the bachelorette. Is that what happened? I'm trying to get my bachelor history

00:31:13.420 right. My team's updating me. Whatever. She wound up. She wound up with The Bachelor. I guess she

00:31:19.420 one, this girl who went to the antebellum party. She's white, he's black, but she's a racist. 0.99

00:31:25.700 Okay, great. And Chris Harrison, I guess, is a racist because he said, you know, we hadn't yet 0.99

00:31:31.300 totally lost our minds in 2018. So what standards are we holding this girl to? After that, Stu,

00:31:37.560 he was forced to self-flagellate in the most humiliating display by ABC Entertainment. Okay,

00:31:46.320 So this, I'd like to forget this.

00:31:49.380 We aired this when we first launched this show.

00:31:51.680 It was horrifying.

00:31:53.920 And here we are six years later, and it's still relevant because this network, oh, their standards have changed very much, Stu, very much.

00:32:03.280 Here's what they made him do.

00:32:05.220 A lot of people, and I'm wondering, why would you defend Rachel Kirkenau?

00:32:08.520 I am an imperfect man.

00:32:10.140 I made a mistake, and I own that.

00:32:12.980 And I believe that mistake doesn't reflect who I am or what I stand for.

00:32:22.200 I am committed to the progress, not just for myself, also for the franchise.

00:32:29.080 You said, quote, is it not a good look in 2018 or is it not a good look in 2021?

00:32:35.420 Because they're the big difference.

00:32:37.400 So what is the to you?

00:32:39.180 What is the difference?

00:32:40.220 Or is there one?

00:32:40.960 There is not.

00:32:42.980 Antebellum parties are not okay. Past, present, future. Knowing what that represents

00:32:53.560 is unacceptable. I am saddened and shocked at how insensitive I was in that interview with

00:33:02.400 Rachel Lindsay. And I didn't speak from my heart. And that is to say I stand against all forms

00:33:09.020 of racism, and I am deeply sorry. I'm sorry to Rachel Lindsay, and I'm sorry to the black

00:33:16.080 community. Harrison says he's been working closely with a, quote, race educator and strategist,

00:33:21.920 along with faith leaders and scholars like Dr. Michael Eric Dyson. Dr. Dyson often talks to me

00:33:28.040 about counsel, not cancel, and that is full accountability. His apology is his apology,

00:33:37.740 But it felt like I got nothing more than a surface response on any of this.

00:33:42.600 And obviously, he is the man who wants to clearly stay on the show.

00:33:46.620 But only time will tell if there is any meaning behind his word.

00:33:51.400 Oh, my God.

00:33:53.740 That's that's the same network that is now apparently fine with she's got the glow of an expectant widow. 0.89

00:34:03.720 That's fine.

00:34:05.060 That's no problem.

00:34:06.340 But are we judging her by 2021 standards or by 2028? Struggle sessions, counseling on air, lengthy apologies. Didn't get it done. Chris Harrison was fired from his job of two decades.

00:34:22.340 decades his career has never recovered because those assholes so besmirched him as some sort of 0.98

00:34:29.620 a racist and but you get a total pass if you are a comedian making jokes and that's in quotes at 0.99

00:34:39.060 the president's expense or that of the first lady that's that's a yuckety yuck hit the knee 0.66

00:34:44.980 holler out loud kind of moment for ABC, Stu. And so while neither you nor I are fans of cancel

00:34:52.400 culture, I believe we must make them play by their own rules. Those rules don't get bent

00:34:59.500 when the party who's been targeted and offended is a Republican victim, as opposed to one of the

00:35:06.860 Democrats' favorite people or causes. Yeah, I mean, it's just watching that clip brings me back

00:35:13.320 to a completely different era i i it's i you if you want a commercial as to how donald trump became

00:35:19.340 president again in the first place you can watch that clip and realize you know people were just

00:35:24.540 what the heck is this this poor guy i mean i feel bad for him you kind of hope that if you were in

00:35:29.440 that position you'd have uh you know a different approach i i would hope i would just say to my 0.98

00:35:34.560 bosses screw you i'm not saying that stuff it's easy to say uh you know when you're but wait let

00:35:39.840 mean let me just jump in and say because i was in this position i mean i was in this position 0.79

00:35:43.680 shortly before chris was and um when they're telling you like your entire contract which is

00:35:51.620 probably pretty hefty is going away and you're thinking am i going to be able to pay my bills

00:35:57.020 am i going to have to move and my kids are going to have to come out of these schools

00:36:00.480 am i going can i avoid this national humiliation just by saying okay i'm sorry i like i'm sorry

00:36:06.980 fine. You know, some people may actually have been offended. It seems at the time,

00:36:11.260 this is before I'm sorry's were canceled, right? Like this is back in the era where apologies

00:36:17.520 were still a thing. It seems like a low price to pay to save your whole career, to save your

00:36:23.420 contract, to save the possibility of not having everybody call you a racist, which is not a fun

00:36:29.340 thing to be called, right? It's like, you have to look at it through the 2021 mindset, as opposed

00:36:34.320 to like present day when we know the apology gets you nothing Chris Harrison learned the hard way

00:36:39.560 it gets you nothing you still get fired I learned the hard way it gets you nothing you still get

00:36:43.540 booted so it's like he didn't know at that point I think 2026 Chris Harrison would not apologize

00:36:49.000 yeah it's easy to say it really is I mean it's the same reason why people settle lawsuits all

00:36:52.560 the time that they don't think that they're wrong on right I mean this you have to make

00:36:55.660 calculations in your life and for business it's it's it's an understandable part of who we are

00:37:00.440 And I think I think it's I think we've improved that a considerable amount because we saw, you know, what what the outcome of some of those apologies were.

00:37:09.120 And the worst part about that is he look, he was the good guy in that situation.

00:37:14.320 It was easy to pile on some poor 18 year old girl who, you know, quote unquote, made a mistake and went to a party that a million other people went to at that time.

00:37:24.980 He was doing he was doing the hard thing.

00:37:27.040 He was standing up for someone who was being beaten down by the Internet and the media, and he actually was the good guy in that situation, full stop.

00:37:34.800 And then you see these people who, you know, like Strahan, who come on and pile on top of him afterward.

00:37:40.660 It's even more despicable because they all know why he's there.

00:37:44.520 They all know that there was nothing wrong with what he did.

00:37:48.940 We've seen examples of this.

00:37:50.420 Honestly, Stu, that happened to me, too.

00:37:52.420 Al Roker got on the air at NBC and was like, she needs to do a better apology.

00:37:56.620 She's basically, she has to racialize her apology and apologize specifically to black people. 0.62

00:38:01.700 Here's your apology, Al. 1.00

00:38:02.840 Go fuck yourself, fat man. 1.00

00:38:04.860 Fuck off. 1.00

00:38:05.960 That's what I, I mean, for so many years I've wanted to say that, so I did. 1.00

00:38:08.860 But anyway, that's the insane time we were in.

00:38:12.200 People were made to flagellate, self-flagellate, take the flagellation from everybody else.

00:38:16.720 And now, but now, go for it.

00:38:19.600 As long as you're offending Melania Trump and, of course, Donald Trump, you're golden.

00:38:24.860 This is the same company.

00:38:26.620 Roseanne ruined from the from the number one show for a joke.

00:38:32.000 Chris Harrison, not even a joke, a mild milquetoast defense of somebody who was really hurting and was not a bad person and ruined two decades of a career.

00:38:42.760 That's the loyalty they showed to their two decade employee.

00:38:44.980 We can keep going. Gina Carano, who is that's now that's Disney. 1.00

00:38:49.200 Same company, though. She was starring in The Mandolin and she posted.

00:38:55.700 I'll put it up on the board. She posted like a picture of the Holocaust of Jews being rounded up 0.87

00:39:02.660 and like tortured by people in their neighborhood. And she was making the point that some civilians

00:39:10.200 helped round up Jews. It wasn't all the Nazis. Like they terrorized communities so much that

00:39:17.340 some civilians helped round up Jewish people when they were being shipped off to camps.

00:39:23.140 and she was making the point that the way people talk about conservatives trying to turn their

00:39:29.040 neighbors against them has shades of that and she wasn't in a way was she saying conservatives are

00:39:35.120 like not nazi victims you know holocaust victims she was not suggesting that she was basically

00:39:39.580 saying like you don't turn neighbor on neighbor that's fraught and it's got a bad history

00:39:44.800 fired lost her whole movie career at disney this same company we're talking about same company

00:39:52.460 So why don't these standards apply to Jimmy Kimmel?

00:39:55.320 Yeah, I mean, they took the one good thing Disney did with Star Wars and got rid of her

00:40:01.920 over that, and it was despicable.

00:40:05.120 And when it comes to Jimmy Kimmel, I am like you, Megan.

00:40:07.980 I'm glad you said this earlier.

00:40:08.960 It's like, I have a really high standard for this.

00:40:11.920 Like, I don't, I do a show, as you mentioned, with Dave Landau, who is a comedian, who would

00:40:16.340 admit he says some of the worst things imaginable during his stand-up comedy.

00:40:20.880 comedy there is there should be a wide breadth a really wide berth for for uh for comedians to say

00:40:27.440 kind of whatever they want i i completely agree with that you know what he is doing here is trying

00:40:34.040 to take advantage of of his political liens to avoid the same consequences that are hitting other

00:40:38.680 people and you know he was never he was never there stepping out for any of those people that

00:40:43.760 i'm aware of i don't remember him ever making a pro gina carano in a point i don't remember him

00:40:49.640 ever making a point on harrison any of these people or for you certainly uh he wouldn't do

00:40:55.120 that because it all comes down to politics for him exactly right no i i said it i said this

00:41:00.920 recently i was like so i got in trouble at nbc because i said blackface halloween costumes used

00:41:06.620 to be considered okay they weren't like a big cancellation cause like you could get away with

00:41:10.660 it in the 70s when i said when i was growing up it wasn't a big thing i never wore blackface

00:41:15.120 You will never see a photo of me wearing a blackface Halloween costume.

00:41:18.560 It has never happened.

00:41:19.560 I was just pointing out people used to do it and it wasn't a thing.

00:41:23.280 Did Jimmy Kimmel, when I was twisting on the vine, because I was twisting for a few days there before my show got canceled.

00:41:29.360 Did he come out and say, you know what?

00:41:33.040 She's right.

00:41:33.900 Like, I did it.

00:41:35.260 I, Jimmy Kimmel, I did it. 1.00

00:41:36.620 I put on blackface repeatedly on my old show. 0.96

00:41:39.860 I put on a fat suit and I went as black Oprah. 0.99

00:41:42.760 I was a black fat Oprah. 0.98

00:41:45.120 I went as Karl Malone, where I spoke in Ebonics. I mean, it was like the most racist portrayal. 0.98

00:41:52.260 I did it. She's right. Did he say she's right? I'm not excusing my wearing of it, but Megyn Kelly

00:41:59.440 is right. No, he didn't. He kept his mouth shut because his post in front of those

00:42:07.260 Klieg lights is too important to him, Stu. And ABC is going to play along like he's not

00:42:14.400 sacrificeable. Right. Like we we stand up for humor and the First Amendment and commentary.

00:42:23.300 That's those are our values. This same organization that did all those things. I mean,

00:42:27.620 I could keep going. There's a long list of people they've hurt, but they're going to get away with

00:42:30.920 it here because they like what he said. I bet you they laughed. They have no problem

00:42:36.440 suggesting Melania wants Trump dead. 0.98

00:42:41.060 It's really despicable. 0.84

00:42:43.080 And when you look back at, first of all, what happened with you,

00:42:45.820 which was a complete disgrace, said that at the time,

00:42:48.240 and it was a horrible, horrible thing.

00:42:51.480 I will say, in retrospect, they probably wish they didn't do it

00:42:54.380 because I think they would have much rather had you in a different situation

00:42:59.560 not speaking your mind in that same way every single day that you're doing now.

00:43:03.600 i think they regret that uh you know all the way to the moon so first of all there's that

00:43:08.520 secondly with with kimmel you're right i mean the carl malone thing is is a great example of

00:43:13.500 of really just racist humor right like that you know he was in blackface and the only criticism

00:43:19.680 the only point he was making in that particular series of sketches was that carl malone talked

00:43:26.160 funny that that was the bit that was the bit that he talked in a way that jimmy kimmel found

00:43:32.000 hilarious and so he put on blackface and impersonated him as a white person doing a black

00:43:37.120 person again standards change over time you know i i find it i don't like canceling people for

00:43:43.780 anything but certainly you can't be the person who is coming out here with the standards today

00:43:48.660 that he's he's trying to advocate for and looking for these protections now after he has never been 0.97

00:43:54.180 there for anyone who's been dealing with this over this time he's complete hypocrite on these points 0.68

00:43:58.900 And, you know, I really do have a real concern over, you know, where we're going with rhetoric. 0.94

00:44:05.400 And there's bigger issues than that.

00:44:07.620 Even just what you say as a political criticism, people saying that Trump is Hitler and all these things.

00:44:12.540 I think that can lead to terrible things.

00:44:14.560 But as a guy who's been doing commentary for multiple decades, those types of things worry me.

00:44:21.360 I mean, people criticized us.

00:44:23.260 You know, I was on Glenn Beck program back in the day.

00:44:25.260 and people criticized us constantly and blamed us for things that crazy people did you can't do that

00:44:30.560 and it's an unfair standard in this country we have a free speech agreed for a reason you know

00:44:36.080 what is building on top of that however particularly on the left is the lionization of the people who

00:44:42.260 actually commit the violence no that is a different scenario than saying even trump is a fascist which

00:44:48.860 i am critical of and i think you should be more responsible than as a journalist what jimmy

00:44:52.700 Kimmel said the other day you should think as a person who's on national television after you've

00:44:57.180 watched this man get shot literally on stage you think your standards would be a little bit more

00:45:02.480 appropriate however when you're talking about what they're doing with the guy and I don't want to say

00:45:07.340 his name who killed the the health care executive that type of activity we've seen study after study

00:45:13.720 after study that lionizing people who do things like that does bring copycats does bring more of

00:45:19.020 this crime this is what's happened in the columbine post-columbine community when people like that

00:45:23.880 become these sort of hero uh heroes and then we watch journalists we watch people who are getting

00:45:30.720 interviews hassan piker uh you know taylor lorenz praising this guy and acting like he's a hero thank

00:45:38.000 god somebody did this thank god someone was standing up that is the type of stuff that

00:45:43.100 actually does scientifically studied does produce copycats and more of this type of violence

00:45:49.160 and i you know i'm really concerned about how the left is doing that over and over and over again

00:45:55.540 with these types of people i really think like stay away from trump assassination jokes okay

00:46:01.660 because it's not a joke it's happened now almost four times so it's not funny trust me jimmy to

00:46:09.200 those of us who are on the right or in the center, we don't find it funny at all. We actually find it

00:46:13.760 very disturbing. It actually brings up something that was extremely jarring for at least half the

00:46:18.020 nation. Really extremely jarring and upsetting. So like we don't want to joke about it the same

00:46:23.660 way we don't want to joke about Charlie's assassination. You fucking cretin, which he 1.00

00:46:28.220 also thought was funny and fair game. He's disgusting. He's a pig. He should have been 1.00

00:46:32.540 fired for that a long time ago. They kept him on the air. And once again, he doubles down on

00:46:38.600 assassination jokes and now doesn't have the balls, Stu, to admit that's what it is. 0.98

00:46:43.880 Trying to, same as Nora O'Donnell in that clip with Trump on 60 Minutes, like, oh, did you think 0.98

00:46:49.720 that was about you? The killer, the would-be killer's reference to a pedophile, rapist, 0.99

00:46:54.980 whatever the third word was. Did you think that was you? Same here with Jimmy Kimmel going, oh, 0.98

00:47:00.480 oh, did you think that was an assassination joke? No, that was just because he's so much

00:47:05.200 older than she is. Oh, sure. Sure, Jan. Yeah, yeah, sure. The third word, by the way, was traitor,

00:47:12.320 Megan. And you'd think after watching a manifesto like this and hearing this come out in the days

00:47:19.220 after yet another assassination attempt on the president, it might be a good day for you to

00:47:25.540 admit that he's not a pedophile and he's not a rapist and he's not a traitor. How about that?

00:47:31.240 How about starting there? Just knocking those claims down for a second and saying, by the way, there's no evidence of this whatsoever. There's been some allegations. Those allegations have never been proven. And maybe like addressing those things and taking them off the table a little bit from a trusted source would be helpful in a moment like this to, as they always criticize us, they want us to lower the temperature.

00:47:57.000 They want they want Donald Trump to do that all the time. And at times there are there's some legitimate arguments to that, I think, with him. But when it comes to their own reputation, their own responsibility in a moment like this, they never find it. They can never locate their own will to be able to lower the temperature whatsoever. It's only criticizing us for hiring it.

00:48:18.780 I totally agree with that. And the other thing is I don't excuse any of the I mean, Trump celebrated the death of Robert Mueller. That was bad. Rob Reiner celebrated the death of Rob Reiner. We and virtually every conservative called him out on that. You know, that's bad shit. He shouldn't be doing it.

00:48:34.400 But the truth is, the political assassinations are happening of right wing figures.

00:48:42.120 That's what we're seeing.

00:48:43.540 So the left does have to think about the way it's talking about right wing figures, whether

00:48:49.640 it's Charlie, congressional Republicans at the time of Steve Scalise's near assassination

00:48:54.440 and President Trump more than anyone.

00:48:57.980 CNN, the K-file, Andrew Kaczynski, he runs that.

00:49:01.020 He's a great reporter.

00:49:01.820 He unearthed a bunch of social media of this attempted killer from the Correspondents' Dinner.

00:49:07.280 And it shows, of course, he regularly referred to Trump as Hitler.

00:49:12.840 All the leftist stuff that we heard prior to the Butler assassination attempt,

00:49:19.600 you hear in this guy's social media. 1.00

00:49:21.900 The pedophile thing, the rapist thing. 0.98

00:49:25.120 Like, that is your standard fare these days. 0.94

00:49:27.920 on MSNBC, some CNN shows, and certainly in the left-wing pot of sphere. And here's just an

00:49:35.580 example of some Democrats sounding, I mean, you want to talk about rhetoric. Here's some Democrats

00:49:42.100 in SOT 15. Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very

00:49:50.200 foundations of our republic. And he must be stopped. He cannot be president. They're still

00:49:56.520 going to have to go out and put a bullet in donald trump movement is a threat the extremists that 0.99

00:50:00.900 we're dealing with every single day we've got to kill and confront that movement clearly you know 0.99

00:50:05.320 this is a um literally call to arms really what conservative white folks do when they don't get 0.99

00:50:12.760 their way they turn violent you know who i gotta vote for to keep hitler out the white house yeah

00:50:17.740 hitler white house we keeping them out keeping project 2025 out that's all i care about up and

00:50:22.740 down the ballot from the rooted to the tutor. And if you see anybody from that cabinet in a

00:50:27.720 restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd.

00:50:36.180 And you push back on them. And you tell them they're not welcome anymore. And with this kind

00:50:43.680 of inspiration, I will go and take Trump out tonight. I tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell

00:50:52.720 you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. It is just unquestionable

00:51:01.920 at this point that that man cannot see public office and he has to be he has to be eliminated. 0.99

00:51:11.760 Crazy. That's just one little stop montage, Stu. I mean, we could we could be here all day. 0.90

00:51:17.880 I just think, like, if their side were being assassinated like this, they'd be marching in the streets to muzzle us all.

00:51:27.920 The right has been handling itself very well in the wake of these calls to violence that really, you know, in the wake of which we've seen four assassination attempts of our president.

00:51:39.880 Stand by. There's so much more to get to, and we'll do it after this quick break.

00:51:42.440 Stu Bergeer is our guest today.

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00:52:58.200 So speaking of Hassan Piker, who is this left-wing podcaster who is really incendiary in his

00:53:06.380 rhetoric, like beyond. He gave an interview to the New York Times, I think it was, who was it to?

00:53:15.480 Yeah, to the New York Times, yeah, on April 22nd. And they discussed the murder of United

00:53:21.740 Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, which you just referenced a moment ago. And here is the exchange

00:53:27.100 that the two of them had. I think this begins with the New York Times reporter asking a question.

00:53:33.880 the second voice is Piker. 40% of Gen Zers felt that that murder was morally justified, 0.79

00:53:40.700 but it's scary to be in a society where people feel that murder is morally justified. And I'm 0.95

00:53:45.760 curious how we, how we thread that line. Yeah. Um, Engels wrote about the concept of social

00:53:54.400 murder and Brian Thompson as the United healthcare CEO was engaging in a tremendous amount of social

00:54:03.600 murder, the systematized forms of violence, the structural violence of poverty, the for-profit

00:54:12.480 paywalled system of healthcare in this country. Because of the pervasive pain that the private

00:54:24.460 healthcare system had created for the average American, I saw so many people immediately

00:54:32.300 understand why this death had taken place that is lunacy stew that is like truly dangerous lunacy

00:54:42.500 the way he talked about social murder that's what health insurance companies do as if they have

00:54:48.640 a moral obligation to say yes to every procedure every medication every surgery that a person

00:54:56.740 wants done, or they're murderers. That's not how insurance works. It's a business. I don't love

00:55:04.620 insurance companies. Nobody does. But it's an imperfect business, but it's a business. It is

00:55:08.880 not actually just a support network for people who are ill. He misunderstands the fundamental nature

00:55:13.940 and then accuses them of being murderers, which truly is dangerous rhetoric, and did, in fact,

00:55:19.200 that kind of thinking, get Brian Thompson killed. Yes, that is 100% what happened there.

00:55:26.220 And if you happen to be, you know, listening on Sirius or listening on podcasts, you don't get to see the wonderful visual of the New York Times person nodding along as he's explaining the concept of how he was guilty of social murder, which, by the way, is not a thing.

00:55:41.800 ankles is not a good source for truth uh just in case anyone was wondering about that uh but like

00:55:48.600 yeah i mean you know it's also just completely insane but you know i also have my issues i think

00:55:54.340 everyone's had a run-in with a health care company where they're annoyed at the way something has

00:55:58.720 been handled however when you look at when you step back and look at the entire picture it's

00:56:03.740 impossible to even make an argument that they're a negative for society they're paying for millions

00:56:10.080 of surgeries all the time yes they do occasionally make bad calls yes they do occasionally uh you

00:56:16.340 know have improper motivations uh for these things to happen there are cases where you know

00:56:21.500 they've been you know they've been charged with criminal activity uh for some of this that being

00:56:25.960 said overwhelmingly most of the stuff does get covered most of the stuff is paid for most of

00:56:30.900 the stuff is assisting people actually get better to actually get better i reject the idea that

00:56:36.680 there's some wonderful grandiose other health care system out there that is better than the

00:56:41.600 one that we have as imperfect as it is uh you know and so while you see go move to canada yeah

00:56:46.500 exactly in fact what you see constantly are people coming on trips here to get the surgery done by

00:56:52.080 people who know what they're doing uh you would go go go wait in the lines you know i talked to

00:56:56.300 people who i know in canada who are like look our health care system is isn't bad when you can get

00:57:01.540 into the office when you can get an appointment when you're not waiting six or eight months before

00:57:05.940 the surgery that you need there are problems two years for a breast cancer screening for a woman

00:57:11.620 who finds a lump in her breast just to figure out whether it in fact is a tumor you can wait

00:57:17.240 years yeah okay go see how you like that but it's free every procedure is covered see how you like

00:57:23.060 that yeah hassan yeah one of the last shows i did on the glenbeck radio program before i i left was

00:57:28.480 we we talked about a woman in that exact same situation who was going through a serious uh

00:57:33.740 medical issue she was trying to get treatment in uh in canada she was rejected over and over and

00:57:40.020 over again by the system again this wonderful socialist system kept rejecting her and she 0.65

00:57:45.460 then wound up signing up for maid which is their suicide program their euthanasia program she 0.69

00:57:53.980 signed up for it and was by the way thankfully on a waiting list for that too uh but and luckily 0.67

00:57:59.820 she was caught before she got there that we were made aware of that story we brought on some of the

00:58:04.360 best doctors in america to help her uh with her situation that's the sort of stuff that has to

00:58:10.880 happen in these in these uh you know left-wing communist uh you know dreams of a health care

00:58:16.700 system so i reject the concept but even if we were terrible even if we did have a horrible health care

00:58:22.500 system the the answer can never be to justify the murder of a ceo a ceo by the way who is well

00:58:29.620 known within the company to try to be trying to fix the problems that Hassan Piker supposedly

00:58:35.280 has with UnitedHealthcare. All of this is idiocy, and it can never justify violence. 0.99

00:58:40.720 I see his comment as in the same bucket as the Jimmy Kimmel joke, because clearly he is joking 1.00

00:58:48.760 about assassination. I don't accept for one second. He's talking about May, December ages

00:58:52.560 on Trump and Melania. No, I don't believe that. He's suggesting she'd love to see him bumped off.

00:58:58.320 and I and what it effectively does is help desensitize us to the possibility that that

00:59:06.400 happens it's like we've laughed about it like isn't it a little funny isn't he kind of annoying

00:59:12.420 wouldn't it be better if he weren't here like that's what he's doing he's chipping away at a

00:59:19.200 foundational sense of morality we all used to have about no it's it's not okay you don't joke

00:59:28.240 about murdering someone's husband, someone's dad, someone's granddad, someone's president.

00:59:33.620 It's actually not funny at all. And you don't talk about social murder by an insurance agent

00:59:39.980 that would justify his execution in the street as his teenage sons are suffering. And you don't

00:59:47.380 come out explicitly as Taylor Lorenz, who's written for the New York Times and the Washington

00:59:52.320 Post did and openly celebrate the assassination. Here she is, CNN, April of 2025.

01:00:00.720 Hilarious to see these millionaire media pundits on TV clutching their pearls

01:00:05.920 about someone standing a murderer when this is this is the United States of America,

01:00:10.560 as if we don't lionize criminals, as if we don't have, you know, we don't stand

01:00:15.540 murderers of all sorts. We give them Netflix shows. There's a huge disconnect between the

01:00:22.000 narratives and angles that sort of mainstream media pushes and what the American public feels.

01:00:27.080 And you see that in moments like this. The women who got her outside course in New York.

01:00:32.300 So you're going to see women especially that feel like, oh my God, right? Like here's this man who

01:00:37.040 who's a revolutionary, who's famous, who's handsome, who's young, who's smart. He's a

01:00:44.760 person that seems like this morally good man, which is hard to find.

01:00:49.500 oh my god i just realized women will literally date an assassin before they swipe right on me

01:00:56.640 that's where we are morally good man i mean that's amazing i've interviewed lots of murderers

01:01:04.660 still lots of them i i don't i you could do it as a probe into the mind of a killer what makes

01:01:12.960 somebody murder that's all very interesting to me from a journalistic perspective i wouldn't then

01:01:17.740 call them a morally good man and justify the murders. That's really what she did. I'm going

01:01:23.720 to give you one more. This was her earlier, closer in time to the actual offense. This is December

01:01:29.440 2024 on with our pal Piers Morgan. I do believe in the sanctity of life. And I think that's why

01:01:37.080 I felt, along with so many other Americans, joy, unfortunately, you know, because it feels like

01:01:43.380 serious i mean joy in a man's execution maybe not joy but certainly not no certainly not

01:01:49.740 empathy he's a father and he's being young down in the middle of manhattan why is that making

01:01:55.300 joy of americans that be murdered so are tens so are the tens of thousands of americans innocent

01:02:00.760 americans who died because greedy health insurance executives like this one push a policies of 0.97

01:02:08.780 denying care to the most vulnerable people should they all be killed then should they all be killed 0.95

01:02:12.880 these healthcare executives would that make you even more joyful uh no 0.98

01:02:17.260 it's crazy but she's not an outlier still no no i mean it's very very common i mean i you know

01:02:26.240 it's it's terrifying to think about that because you know you you played it earlier on the show

01:02:32.160 megan a clip of uh johnny carson after the ronald reagan uh assassination attempt and you know you

01:02:39.100 You saw the crowd universally, you know, clap and applaud for, you know, for Ronald Reagan

01:02:45.580 surviving the exact way you'd want a crowd to respond to someone almost being murdered.

01:02:50.520 And what's scariest to me about all of this is we all know in that crowd of Hollywood

01:02:57.500 celebrities, there were plenty of people who despised Ronald Reagan and probably a decent

01:03:05.760 amount of them that were kind of happy that something like this happened they probably were

01:03:12.140 secretly uh cheering this on but that's the word that i think is really important here

01:03:16.660 secretly they were they would be embarrassed by it they wouldn't want to tell anyone that they

01:03:21.360 were happy that ronald reagan had been shot they wouldn't want to celebrate it openly they would

01:03:26.020 never do that what has changed there was a standard of decency there was a standard of decency and

01:03:31.480 other people would hold you to account if you came out and said gosh i'm really excited that

01:03:35.000 that happened to ronald reagan your liberal friends would call you insane and never want

01:03:39.400 to be around you again what's going on now and this happens with trump and it happens uh certainly

01:03:44.460 in this health care situation is there there is a at the very least a quiet um uh in group

01:03:53.800 celebration of of what might happen to donald trump and honestly we're seeing constantly on 0.86

01:03:59.940 social media and with people like taylor lorenz who is you know just bat crap crazy people who

01:04:06.620 will publicly tell you they had joy to watch a father get murdered in the streets not even

01:04:13.360 because of a specific critique of him but because of people of executives like him it was her quote

01:04:19.900 not even that he did anything wrong and they're they're doing it right now about the attempt on

01:04:26.200 Trump's life from Saturday night. We pulled just a couple. The irony here, excuse me, this woman,

01:04:32.800 Ali King, I'm about to show you, works for UnitedHealthcare. She's commenting on the Trump

01:04:39.440 assassination attempt from Saturday. But of all people, you would think somebody who works for

01:04:44.560 UnitedHealthcare, a group that saw its own president and CEO get murdered in the street,

01:04:49.900 she'd have a sensitivity to how awful that is, irrespective of somebody's politics or job

01:04:56.780 responsibilities. Nope. Listen to her. It's not 31. We're cooked as a country when my first

01:05:02.540 reaction to hearing the news about Trump's attempt was it was probably fake. Like immediately I was

01:05:10.160 like, oh, that wasn't real. Probably fake. And the second was, oh, they missed.

01:05:15.380 hmm so happy they missed um yeah that's that's that's sad that's when you know we're cooked 0.99

01:05:24.180 okay thankfully united health care fired her ass good for them you cannot allow that that 0.98

01:05:32.160 you just can't allow that sort of cavalier nature to human life especially at a health care company 0.99

01:05:39.200 an insurance company which deals in health care here's another one um this is a woman on tiktok

01:05:45.140 Stop 32.

01:05:46.420 You need to tell me that a pedophile was almost eliminated from this earth,

01:05:49.240 and I'm supposed to feel anything other than disappointed.

01:05:51.580 Right. 0.91

01:05:53.580 That's her blue hair, her long blue wig. 0.98

01:05:56.540 I mean, they're all deranged like this, Stu.

01:05:58.380 It's like, they're straight out of central casting. 0.66

01:06:01.780 And it's not just them.

01:06:03.320 You know, we saw after Charlie was assassinated,

01:06:07.660 person after person after person, we have some of it.

01:06:12.040 They're still out there.

01:06:12.920 I guarantee you these same people are cheering for the shooter, the would-be shooter, who's now in custody for attempting on President Trump on Saturday.

01:06:21.740 Here's thought 15B.

01:06:23.500 We got Charlie in the neck, in the neck.

01:06:26.700 We got Charlie in the neck, in the neck.

01:06:29.380 Charlie Kirk just got shot in the neck.

01:06:34.020 Hey, ooh, ha, ooh.

01:06:36.240 Charlie Kirk got shot and he's dead.

01:06:39.380 Finally, finally.

01:06:41.160 Thank you.

01:06:41.540 Can we keep this up? 1.00

01:06:42.420 Charlie Kirk was a fucking Nazi. He was a fucking Nazi. And you know what kind of Nazi is the best 1.00

01:06:47.980 Nazi? A dead one. Thank God that shit stain of a person is no longer in this world. Bad people 0.97

01:06:55.680 should not be in this world. Shot right in the voice box. I might be one percent less atheist 0.62

01:07:02.500 today. I don't care that he was a person. He wasn't to me. He was a Nazi. I think he's better

01:07:08.580 off gone so fucking beat i think the only thing that went wrong that day was that trump wasn't 0.99

01:07:14.700 standing behind him getting a secondhand bullet this is poetic my thoughts go out to that pew 1.00

01:07:19.860 pew having to look this motherfucker in the face he was such a good person why did he get shot 0.99

01:07:25.840 what do you think we're gonna do honestly yeah he had to come charlie kirk was a big advocate 0.99

01:07:31.660 for the second amendment it worked out well for him that actually makes me feel sick to my stomach

01:07:39.060 It's genuinely revolting.

01:07:41.940 These people are out there.

01:07:43.420 They're having those thoughts.

01:07:44.860 And to your point, not keeping them secret, posting them all over the Internet, whether it was Charlie or Trump.

01:07:52.060 And then what we get from the left after the latest assassination attempt is to both sides.

01:07:58.540 Oh, it's both sides.

01:08:01.260 You know, they point to things like Paul Pelosi.

01:08:04.960 you know, Paul Pelosi, Paul Pelosi was attacked by a lunatic homeless dude who had BLM and pride

01:08:11.920 flags all over the limited materials he had in his homeless encampment. Like they pointed just

01:08:18.200 these random situations where maybe a leftist got attacked, but nine times out of 10 by another

01:08:23.740 leftist, right? Without acknowledging any of the rhetoric that they've been spewing that we hear

01:08:31.640 time and time again from their killers or on their killer's ammo it's so true that the both

01:08:39.420 side stuff is just irritating i mean everyone can quote the the the incidents that you speak of

01:08:45.220 because they're just constantly brought up there would be like 27 new situations where some left

01:08:51.160 wing person commits violence and they're like well remember the guy who did an abortion clinic

01:08:56.780 bombing in 1994 right like it's like yeah the fact that you need to go back to these things

01:09:01.940 over and over again it kind of a sign but once again I remember back I think his name was Eric

01:09:08.340 Rudolph back in the day one of the abortion clinic bombers back in the 90s yeah and you know there

01:09:15.100 were very limited rumors and stories about certain people I guess you'd call them on the right had

01:09:23.500 that had bumper stickers because that last name was rudolph and hit they were run rudolph run

01:09:27.800 bumper stickers back in the day it was kind of a big story because people were like oh my gosh

01:09:31.300 there's a few people who actually would justify this violence and every mainstream conservative

01:09:36.000 in the universe came out and said no we don't like that's horrible a horrible horrible thing

01:09:40.660 and what you're seeing on the left with this lionization of the people doing this

01:09:45.720 is a totally different culture than what you see on the right are there examples of people on the

01:09:52.000 right committing violence of course there are and those are really bad things and we denounce them

01:09:56.540 every single time they occur i have no problem doing that it's not a borderline issue to me i

01:10:01.320 don't care how much i i don't like taxes i don't care how much uh i don't i know i'm very very very

01:10:07.340 pro-life uh i don't have any interest and had any patience whatsoever for anyone who would even

01:10:13.660 consider doing a thing like that you are the bad guy if that's who you're what you're thinking 0.96

01:10:18.600 about doing you are evil you are far more evil than anybody else that i can think of because

01:10:24.420 you're taking a a cause that i believe in that's that's good protecting human life and turning it 1.00

01:10:30.480 into this evil so i have no patience for you whatsoever when we talk about islamic extremists 1.00

01:10:36.440 one of the criticisms from conservatives uh is typically to say hey you need to be standing up 0.87

01:10:41.820 against the people in your community who are uh committing violent acts if you happen to be

01:10:46.800 a normal uh you know god-fearing uh law-abiding muslim right that needs to be part it's part of 0.89

01:10:52.840 your of your responsibility to do that it is central to you if someone is taking on one of

01:10:58.300 your viewpoints to say hey i don't agree with that at all you see almost none of this with the left

01:11:04.160 what the left is doing is bringing hassan piker on writing columns in the new york times saying

01:11:08.720 he's not he's not the enemy he's one of the good guys and then bringing him on podcasts and joking

01:11:13.660 around about him with him about social murder and how it pretty much justifies a dad being murdered

01:11:19.720 on a sidewalk in the middle of manhattan that does and again i bring it back there are tons of

01:11:25.940 studies on this megan that show through trying to study mass shootings and to solve a really

01:11:30.560 difficult problem the only thing that seems to make any difference is taking away the notoriety

01:11:35.820 and the fame from that that small in group if they have that cult following it is going to

01:11:40.780 increase more people and i guarantee you this guy we don't know it yet but i bet you anything that

01:11:45.240 this guy had the same sort of glowing the glow in his eyes that taylor lorenz had for the guy who

01:11:51.380 murdered the health care executive oh he went all the way across the country and he did all this

01:11:55.540 and he planned it and he plotted it it's a very similar story and i would not be surprised at all

01:12:00.560 to find that there was a lot of thought that went into that that echoed this to be seen as a hero

01:12:06.520 Once I get this done, I will be seen as taking out this evil problem, and everyone will look at me with the same wonderful batting of the eyes that Taylor Lorenz had for this other murderer.

01:12:17.200 It's despicable, and I really think we're creating new problems here.

01:12:21.300 You're so right, Stu.

01:12:22.720 Yeah, you go from zero to hero in one spare bullet.

01:12:27.500 The data that has come out on who supports political violence is also very eye-opening.

01:12:34.600 This is from Emerson, a poll that was done in December of 2024, and it found that 41% of 18 to 29-year-olds found the killing of the UnitedHealthcare CEO at least somewhat justified.

01:12:48.960 41% of 18 to 29-year-olds found it at least somewhat justified.

01:12:56.460 I mean, that is just shocking.

01:12:57.820 And then, I talked about this a little yesterday, but there was data just released that shows Americans with graduate degrees are far more likely to support political violence than those who have a high school diploma or less, a bachelor's degree, or just some college.

01:13:17.800 The numbers are off the chart on who thinks violence is OK.

01:13:23.300 Support for political violence based on education levels.

01:13:26.020 It's it's double.

01:13:27.080 It's basically double if you have an advanced degree versus if you just have a high school

01:13:32.700 diploma or less.

01:13:34.360 The more time you spend in the education system, the more likely you are to believe political

01:13:40.540 violence is OK.

01:13:42.320 And this feeder, you know what?

01:13:43.420 We talked yesterday about all these teachers who are out there justifying the assassination attempt and cheering it on.

01:13:50.160 It's no accident this guy was also a teacher.

01:13:52.540 He was a tutor.

01:13:54.540 The education system is full of rot, rot, and they're rubbing it all over our children.

01:14:05.500 They're playing with fire, Stu.

01:14:08.120 I mean, they want to create good little revolutionaries for their side.

01:14:13.420 And you really have to be so hands-on as a parent now

01:14:17.100 in order to prevent this from being done to your child.

01:14:22.240 You know, it's just very, very dark.

01:14:25.680 Okay, but I want to show you a couple more things.

01:14:30.060 The New York Times participates this morning

01:14:32.680 in the both-sides-ism of this.

01:14:36.440 Now, I'm going to show you two examples.

01:14:39.020 Actually, before I get to the Times,

01:14:39.940 I'm going to start with Essie Kopp of CNN.

01:14:41.520 She does the explicit both sides by mentioning, for example, the Paul Pelosi thing.

01:14:47.520 So listen to what she said.

01:14:48.740 This is Sot 28.

01:14:50.540 I think it's patently absurd to be told by Trump and Fox and MAGA wagging a righteous

01:15:00.100 finger that we should not have conversations now about gun control, about Trump's own divisive

01:15:07.020 rhetoric, about MAGA's own divisive rhetoric, about MAGA's dangerous lies and conspiracy theories

01:15:12.220 that have led to actual violence. We're only supposed to apparently have a conversation about

01:15:18.020 the supposedly violent left and Trump derangement syndrome. That's the only reason, apparently,

01:15:24.220 there's been this uptick in political violence. And that's insane. That doesn't make any sense.

01:15:28.600 No one should want political violence. But I also said that after Butler, but I also said that after

01:15:35.420 paul pelosi i said that after the insurrection and the murder of two minnesota democrats and

01:15:41.240 the plot against gretchen whitmer and the attack on josh shapiro it has not just been from the left

01:15:47.500 okay just a couple things like the paul pelosi guy was a lunatic blmer you know lgbtq pride flag guy

01:15:54.180 who is an insane person the guy who committed those two murders in minneapolis in minnesota

01:15:58.980 was an obvious nutcase who had worked for Tim Walls, whose politics closer to the murders 0.55

01:16:05.980 appear to have turned right. Then you've got Gretchen Whitmer. That was like an FBI sting 0.97

01:16:12.140 that was perpetrated where you had more FBI agents than you did actual people who wanted

01:16:17.480 to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer. She mentioned Josh Shapiro. That was a free, free Palestine leftist

01:16:22.120 who firebombed the governor's mansion. Again, these are all examples of left wingers 0.66

01:16:26.500 attacking left-wingers. That is not about right-wing rhetoric. Now, as for conspiracy

01:16:32.900 theories leading to violence, I think she's talking about January 6th. I've got my own

01:16:37.920 thoughts on that. I've never defended it. There are many people on the right who do have strong

01:16:41.760 thoughts on that and whether those January 6th folks were railroaded into a profile of them that

01:16:48.060 is unfair. But OK, fine. So that's your one thing. January 6th. That was bad. It wasn't great.

01:16:54.340 Actually, contrary to the left lies, the only person who died that day was Ashley Babbitt, who was a Trump supporter, who was shot by a cop who had a trigger finger.

01:17:02.180 It wasn't that there were five deaths in the cops.

01:17:04.120 That's not true.

01:17:04.900 In the days after some cops took their lives, one guy died of natural causes.

01:17:08.580 They want to claim he was murdered.

01:17:09.760 It's like the left can't participate in this without lying.

01:17:13.580 Right.

01:17:14.000 Because they need to point to something still.

01:17:16.120 So they just kitchen sink it, kitchen sink it.

01:17:19.240 And that brings me to the New York Times.

01:17:20.840 And I'll get you to weigh in.

01:17:22.540 The Daily does this this morning.

01:17:24.260 And they don't do the Paul Pelosi, Minnesota lawmakers thing.

01:17:28.240 They do something else.

01:17:29.660 They know that there are no political assassinations of their side in recent history that they can point to.

01:17:35.340 Thank God.

01:17:36.020 Thank God.

01:17:36.660 Let's keep it that way.

01:17:38.060 But they decide to widen the field of like tit for tat and listen to how they did it.

01:17:46.400 SOT 26.

01:17:47.180 We have seen, in addition to this, attacks on politicians in Minneapolis and Israeli embassy staffers in D.C., just to name a couple examples of why I think it feels to a lot of people like we're living in this age of heightened political violence.

01:18:03.880 One thing has definitely increased, and that is the number of threats just floating around the Internet, the number of threats that go after not just politicians, but, for example, judges and schools and hospitals.

01:18:19.840 And to the question of is there more political violence in America, I think it depends on how you measure.

01:18:24.760 I'm wondering whether you would count somebody who goes into a school having written a thousand words about a political grievance and commits a mass act of violence.

01:18:36.180 Would that be considered political violence, even if the targets are not themselves politicians, for example, or elected officials?

01:18:42.720 And so in that scenario, the victim isn't, you know, a quote unquote political victim, but the act is carried out in the name of a political issue.

01:18:50.780 I think most people would consider that to be political violence.

01:18:53.760 so now all the school shootings it's like those are all counted as political violence

01:19:01.260 so we're really not in a heightened time this is a way of diminishing what's been happening to

01:19:06.840 president trump and right-wing figure figures like it's not 1968 we've been dealing with this

01:19:12.080 for quite some time all the school shootings are political some of the school shootings actually

01:19:16.800 are political, Stu, the ones that they bury, the ones whose motivation they bury as too

01:19:23.980 incendiary to even look at for a year like the one in Nashville, right?

01:19:28.760 Like just they are unwilling to confront the reality that their side engages in incendiary

01:19:37.160 rhetoric that has a real effect on way too many people, some of whom are nuts, some of

01:19:43.100 whom are just radicalized like this latest guy who are actually murdering or making real world 0.94

01:19:52.460 attempts to murder prominent right-wingers. Yeah. And we've seen, unfortunately, too many

01:19:58.460 examples of that. And I'm glad you brought up the manifesto of the Nashville shooter. How many times

01:20:04.820 have we seen this when it happens to be trans people who have a political agenda, an overt 1.00

01:20:09.960 political agenda going and you know murdering children at christian schools that's absolutely 0.87

01:20:15.140 political violence and i don't think there's any question about that it's not you know what you'd

01:20:19.740 think of as a standard assassination uh but it is something that i think is absolutely in that

01:20:24.620 bucket of political uh violence and like what what i think you know winds up bringing people

01:20:30.600 uh to one of the reasons why i think we see people and i'm i'm sure i've done this at some

01:20:37.040 point in my life where people would bring this up and they'd say well what about the you know the

01:20:41.220 shooter that you know some right-wing piece of violence from the past and like i i'm pretty

01:20:46.080 i'm pretty okay just saying yeah that's terrible like i my in my immediate response to that is

01:20:53.180 of course that's terrible and i don't support it at all it's very easy for me and you and other

01:20:59.540 sane rational people to do such things and sometimes that comes off as if there's some

01:21:04.200 sort of oh both sides thing going on here look the problem is quite clearly focused on one side

01:21:09.360 right now this is a massive problem where you have uh the the rhetoric on the left is certainly

01:21:16.260 at the very least not helpful to this because you're talking about often people uh discussing

01:21:22.140 this uh you know donald trump as a a person who is a unique threat to the country that is going to

01:21:30.240 is doing things that are absolutely horrible everything from being a pedophile or a rapist 0.98

01:21:34.980 or a traitor or hitler or fascist or someone that's just you know damaging and potentially 0.98

01:21:39.860 like just picking up people off the street and murdering them without even telling their relatives

01:21:45.160 and deporting them to foreign countries and all of these things when you have that sort of build

01:21:50.280 up there are some people who will take that and go to the next step again we have to be really

01:21:55.200 really careful with that particular thing because it you know we should be able to express our

01:22:01.060 political opinions even we should even be able to go over the line at times and say things that are

01:22:05.880 you know maybe a little bit excessive expressing your point our founders also agreed with that

01:22:10.120 they were really clear that political speech should be protected and and that is you know 0.55

01:22:15.220 it's a it's a it's an offshoot in a way of the first amendment to say hey even your crazy nutty

01:22:19.560 political speech should be protected and i i really think that's important i know you do too

01:22:23.260 megan but when you get to this point where you are looking we should all be able to look internally

01:22:29.040 and be able to judge ourselves and hold ourselves to some standard abc should be doing that they

01:22:34.460 should be holding themselves to a standard we should all be doing that ourselves we should

01:22:38.740 all be able to say hey wait a minute you know like sure we can we are constitutionally protected

01:22:44.840 to say all sorts of terrible things about our leaders but when you see bullets graze their

01:22:50.100 ears all the time maybe this is the time to look into inward a little bit and say you know maybe

01:22:55.780 uh i shouldn't be putting uh putting out that type of statement right now maybe i don't want

01:23:00.560 to be tied to the people who are going to celebrate a statement you know i think it was uh katie

01:23:04.980 porter the uh the the candidate uh for governor in uh yeah she's she's a joy all of her employees

01:23:12.380 loved her too yeah she's she's quite entertaining but like what was it a day or two after uh she

01:23:19.160 went out and after president trump was another attempt on his life that we all witnessed 0.99

01:23:25.040 she put out this long fundraising email for her stupid campaign in california that basically said 0.99

01:23:32.700 f trump all over it like i'm gonna just come out and say it f trump and we need to stop this man 1.00

01:23:38.780 and he's horrible and all these like ridiculously over the top you know uh bad twitter follow type 1.00

01:23:47.480 of nonsensical statements to try to get people all fired up to donate to her stupid campaign 1.00

01:23:53.860 that is almost definitely going to end in a giant fat loss, despite the fact that her 1.00

01:23:58.620 main competition was molesting people all over the place. 0.99

01:24:02.480 This is the type of type of nonsense that like, should you should just catch yourself,

01:24:07.920 right?

01:24:08.300 Like, should I be fundraising off of attacking this guy and calling him all these names a

01:24:12.780 day after he was almost murdered in front of her eyes?

01:24:15.080 Like, probably not.

01:24:16.400 Do you have any self-control at all? And a giant part of this country has none, has decided that because Trump does do this, and by the way, we're critical of him when he does, when he does this, they've decided, hey, what we need to do to be successes in politics right now is to out-Trump Trump and to be 10 times worse than he's ever imagined being.

01:24:34.760 And to me, like, there is such an opening for Democrats here. When Trump does do things like the Rob Reiner thing that everybody's critical of, there would be an easy way to show contrast with that by just being sane and calm and measured and sober. And instead, they decided to go the completely opposite way. I guess in some ways it's a political gift, but man, it's terrible for the country.

01:24:56.480 Yeah, the Katie Porter fundraising email flyer came out Monday, which is, you know, 36 hours after the assassination attempt.

01:25:08.080 And she writes as follows. I'm Katie Porter. Some of you know me as the whiteboard lady who held CEOs and billionaires accountable in Congress.

01:25:15.080 Literally, nobody knows you as that. So today I want to start with one simple, powerful message that we all agree on.

01:25:20.440 Say it with me. Ready? One, two, three. Fuck Trump. Yeah, that's right. Fuck Trump.

01:25:25.740 Together, we're going to kick Trump's ass in November and stop him in his tracks. 1.00

01:25:30.860 I'll stand up to Trump and his cronies again and again, just as I did in Congress with or without my whiteboard. 1.00

01:25:35.880 But this election for governor is about far more than defeating Trump.

01:25:39.600 We know what Trump is willing to do and how far he's willing to go.

01:25:43.400 He's willing to kill people in the streets, to rip health care away, to ruthlessly attack our democracy.

01:25:51.940 But the governor's race asks us, what are we willing to do?

01:25:55.280 oh wow what are you willing to do i mean that is just so inappropriate on the heels of an

01:26:01.700 assassination attempt from her state from the state literally someone came from her state with

01:26:07.320 those same ideals went across the country and tried to kill the guy 48 hours before she's

01:26:12.640 sending out that fundraising email there is literally no shame there's no shame whatsoever

01:26:17.400 yeah yeah and jimmy kimmel's from her state too i have to take a break but before we do i've got

01:26:21.980 to get to joy read let me just play what she's saying about this it's not 29 oh they're just

01:26:26.920 odd things that keep happening around trump and we know that victor orban allegedly allegedly

01:26:32.880 according to washington post reporting there was a plot by the russians to stage an assassination

01:26:39.940 fake assassination for orban so all of this throws in together you're like when something

01:26:44.880 seems to perfect people they don't they don't believe in it and donald trump now again gets

01:26:50.480 victimized by an alleged would-be assassin in front of the perfect witnesses the press

01:26:55.180 okay believe it or not she's not wrong about the russians and victor orban that actually is

01:27:02.840 in the washington post and they're saying they report that the russians um offered this strategy

01:27:10.580 as a quote game changer in an internal report uh obtained and authenticated by a european

01:27:16.560 intelligence service and reviewed by the Washington Post, the Russian operatives proposed a way to

01:27:21.360 fundamentally alter the entire paradigm of the election campaign as Viktor Orban was losing in

01:27:26.780 Hungary, the staging of an assassination attempt on Viktor Orban. So that did happen, that they

01:27:33.340 discussed it as a possibility. The Russians offered it. But from there, she goes to what

01:27:40.300 these are odd things happening around Trump and suggesting that this was staged, that something

01:27:46.540 seems to be too perfect, she says, around what happened to Trump. And people don't believe in it.

01:27:52.760 Donald Trump now again gets victimized by an alleged would-be assassin in front of

01:27:57.060 the perfect witnesses, the press. And by the way, Don Lemon was out there interviewing people doing

01:28:03.600 man on the street interviews, suggesting exactly the same. Trump's haters can't handle when anything

01:28:10.860 happens to him that makes him look empathetic in any way yeah you played that i think the tiktok

01:28:17.620 of the woman earlier who has this like real problem which is a she thinks it's fake but b

01:28:22.540 also she hopes that it was successful which you know you can't it's fake then it couldn't have

01:28:27.080 been successful pick a lane yeah pick a lane please but again they never pick a lane right

01:28:31.540 and remember joy reed was the featured speaker at a rally outside the capitol um when uh democrats

01:28:38.800 were um stepping out of the state of the union remember this when they were coming out of the

01:28:42.840 state of the union and they were like oh gosh who are we going to pick as our featured speaker

01:28:45.780 they picked her this crazy person who has been crazy for every moment we've been aware of her

01:28:51.400 existence uh and it just is it really is bizarre that they keep going back to her because in a way 0.97

01:28:58.240 it feels almost like unfair to pick a joy reed who's obviously a dunce to represent their point

01:29:04.240 of view but they literally picked her to to represent their point of view she's central to

01:29:10.460 their cause and what she is megan is their quiet voice these are the things that they say to each

01:29:15.440 other all the time that they don't necessarily want to admit but increasingly so we see with

01:29:21.380 the examples we've used in this hour with taylor lorenz and hassan piker and all these others

01:29:24.840 they are admitting now more and more are admitting and yeah it is real like that conspiracy theory

01:29:30.260 has caught on on the left i would not be surprised if you pulled it right now with at least the on

01:29:34.140 line left that over 50% of people believe that was a false flag, a fake operation when it came

01:29:40.860 to that. I'd love to see it through. How did they get this guy, Alan Cole, to do it and to ruin the

01:29:47.060 rest of his life where he agrees he's going to go to prison forever to just be part of a stunt

01:29:52.500 to make Trump look empathetic, sympathetic to the rest of us? I don't get it. I really would

01:29:58.300 like to see the conspiracy theory played out. Now, if this guy is Russian and doesn't speak 1.00

01:30:04.420 English, okay, now I'm paying attention. That's not what's happening. So I'd love to hear it all 1.00

01:30:10.500 spelled out by somebody who buys into it. All right, standby. We're going to take a quick break

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01:33:00.060 We're back now with Stu Bergeer and Jennifer Siebel Newsom, who is married to Gavin Newsom, is back in the news.

01:33:14.080 She's very upset, Stu, about the interview between President Trump and Nora O'Donnell on 60 Minutes on Sunday night.

01:33:22.780 In particular, the clip where Trump took issue with Nora reading to him the rantings of his would-be assassin.

01:33:32.360 This clip here.

01:33:33.880 The so-called manifesto is a stunning thing to read, Mr. President.

01:33:38.220 He appears to reference a motive in it.

01:33:41.680 He writes this quote, administration officials, they are targets.

01:33:45.600 And he also wrote this. 0.99

01:33:47.280 I am no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist, and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes. 0.90

01:33:54.040 What's your reaction to that? 1.00

01:33:54.900 Well, I was waiting for you to read that because I knew you would, because you're horrible people. 0.99

01:34:00.060 Horrible people. 0.96

01:34:01.260 Yeah, he did write that.

01:34:02.980 I'm not a rapist.

01:34:04.380 I didn't rape anybody.

01:34:06.620 I'm not a pedophile.

01:34:07.580 Do you think he was referring to you?

01:34:08.780 Excuse me.

01:34:09.960 I'm not a pedophile. 1.00

01:34:11.260 You read that crap from some sick person. 0.99

01:34:13.780 And I got associated with stuff that has nothing to do with me. 1.00

01:34:20.520 I was totally exonerated.

01:34:22.440 Your friends on the other side of the plate are the ones that were involved with, let's

01:34:28.840 say Epstein or other things.

01:34:31.460 But I said to myself, you know, I'll do this interview and they'll probably I read the

01:34:35.780 manifesto. 0.96

01:34:36.780 He's a sick person, but you should be ashamed of yourself reading that because I'm not any 0.99

01:34:42.940 of those things. 0.99

01:34:43.780 And I was never. Excuse me. Excuse me. You shouldn't be reading that on 60 Minutes. You're a disgrace. But go ahead. Let's finish the interview.

01:34:51.940 The other thing that he wrote in the. OK, so Jennifer Newsome weighs in. She doesn't like the way he spoke to Nora O'Donnell and says the following. 0.96

01:35:02.960 This is on X. My family and I watched the 60 Minutes interview with Donald Trump and Nora O'Donnell last night, and we were shocked seeing a president speak to a woman journalist with that level of contempt.

01:35:13.780 And a clear allergy to facts is disturbing, though at this point, not unexpected, given

01:35:20.200 his pattern of behavior.

01:35:22.380 But that is the problem, because when that level of disrespect from the highest office

01:35:27.480 in the country repeats itself, it starts to trickle down into our culture and define what

01:35:32.940 power looks like, shaping how boys and plenty of men see women and girls and what they come

01:35:39.900 to accept as normal behavior.

01:35:41.880 Add in rhetoric rooted in political division, amplified by a digital ecosystem that rewards outrage and misinformation.

01:35:51.740 And this cultural norm of hate, othering and misogyny becomes pervasive, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:36:00.320 She says it normalizes dominance and aggression toward women and girls.

01:36:05.000 That's what he was doing, normalizing aggression and dominance toward women and girls, which not only silences them, but leads to internalized misogyny.

01:36:16.440 Thank you to Nora and all the female journalists and frankly, to all of you who continue to be brave and speak truth to power.

01:36:25.620 This culture of misogyny is on all of us.

01:36:29.180 It has to end. 1.00

01:36:30.900 So she wants women to have special privileges 1.00

01:36:35.780 when they interview the president of the United States. 1.00

01:36:39.240 He's not allowed to call them a disgrace

01:36:41.840 or to take issue with their questions.

01:36:44.900 He has to just sit on that and not speak to it.

01:36:48.520 He's only allowed to do that in Jennifer Newsom's view

01:36:51.040 if he's being interviewed by a man,

01:36:53.300 which, Jennifer, I have news to you,

01:36:55.760 makes you the sexist, not Donald Trump. 1.00

01:36:59.300 the nerve of this lady. It's absolutely incredible. Again, it comes from a lady who

01:37:04.660 doesn't even know what a woman is. I mean, she's been advocating for people to change 1.00

01:37:09.960 genders with a series of magic words and come into locker rooms of girls who actually do deserve 1.00

01:37:18.060 the special privilege of having their own room to change in. That's not one that anyone in the

01:37:23.180 family apparently agrees with uh it's a fascinating take i will say uh you know the the pathetic

01:37:31.000 nature of the interview i mean i i i'm with you megan i heard you say this yesterday and that

01:37:36.760 like you know i have no problem with with her bringing up uh what was said in the manifesto

01:37:41.220 honestly it's it's almost like a bit of a softball right like he should be it's really easy for him

01:37:45.420 to say he's not a pedophile and a rapist um it's a it's it's a it's an easy way for him to kind of

01:37:50.600 push back on that what really rubbed me the wrong way was that fake oh do you think could it be

01:37:57.520 could it be that he's referred he was referring to you it's so fake and it's the exact reverse

01:38:05.300 it's it's honestly uh why your show has been really successful i hope uh anyone who listens

01:38:10.300 to my show feels the same way like you're taking you've taken what is been in the mainstream media

01:38:16.380 for a very, very long time, this inauthentic blather, and we've successfully come up with

01:38:23.360 a system to remove that and have people come out and actually say what they think.

01:38:27.320 And because people are authentic in venues like this, they are growing by leaps and bounds

01:38:33.460 while the networks are shrinking constantly, because there's no authenticity in that.

01:38:38.620 Every single person who views that, whether you like Trump or you don't, you know that

01:38:42.440 she, of course, knew he was the one being referred to inaccurately in that particular

01:38:47.540 manifesto that, by the way, he somehow is coming out to be the bad guy on when he was

01:38:53.100 the one having the gun pointed at him.

01:38:54.880 This is an amazing situation. 1.00

01:38:57.660 Truly, like if you trust me, if you want to go after Trump on the woman thing, you do 0.80

01:39:01.220 your homework.

01:39:01.780 There are some quotes out there.

01:39:02.840 Yeah, that's not one of them. 0.99

01:39:04.540 You're a disgrace. 1.00

01:39:06.060 That's disgusting what you did. 1.00

01:39:07.540 That's that's that's a day ending.

01:39:09.180 and why for Trump in the press, male or female, that what what did he say that she finds so

01:39:14.540 misogynistic? Truly, like he didn't like her question. He didn't engage in a gendered attack.

01:39:20.320 You know, like you're a you're a bitch or a hoe or a C word. Then I'd be paying attention to what 1.00

01:39:25.240 she's saying. But no, it was you're a disgrace. And he didn't like the question. Got it. Her 1.00

01:39:31.120 husband, who's been engaging in like these Twitter like attempts to sound like Trump,

01:39:37.140 but in the process is actually being really offensive, has been tweeting out, suggesting 0.80

01:39:42.600 Benny Johnson and Jesse Waters are gay and on Grindr. Does that diminish the culture?

01:39:49.200 He called Dana Perino, Dana ding dong Perino. He called our president, our president clinically

01:39:55.900 ill, a felon. He made reference to JD's couch, JD's futon. He called Caroline Levitt, secretary

01:40:02.880 brain worm. He called Mike Johnson. Oh, Mike, always on his knees, Johnson. He said Stephen 0.59

01:40:09.020 Miller's a snake. He slithers. He said Laura Trump's show is a total disaster. This is her

01:40:14.140 husband. No personality, no talent, very low energy. She desperately needs coaching. So is

01:40:19.680 that contributing to the the misogyny that Jennifer Newsome has such trouble accepting

01:40:26.600 Stu? Again, totally inauthentic. It's the exact same thing that they were criticizing Donald 1.00

01:40:33.560 Trump of. Oh, Melania, when we go back to the Jimmy Kimmel thing, Melania, why don't you talk

01:40:37.200 to your husband? I don't know, Jennifer, maybe yours. If you can catch him when he's not sleeping

01:40:42.000 with his best friend's wife, maybe you could, of course, address that with him directly. It's a

01:40:47.820 pathetic thing that goes on here. And again, it's funny to watch Newsom have to deal with his wife 1.00

01:40:54.940 who's, you know, saying lots of things that are disagreeing with his public case for office right

01:41:00.940 now. It's been an interesting thing to watch. But like what she's saying there has absolutely no

01:41:05.000 value. No. And unless she's going to apply it to her own hubby, too. We're not listening, Jennifer.

01:41:12.020 Goodbye. And goodbye to you, my friend Stubergeer. It's wonderful spending the time with you. Thanks

01:41:16.700 for coming on, as always. Yeah, thank you so much for having me, Megan. All right. And happy to tell

01:41:20.900 you that we are back tomorrow with vdh making his return to the mk show cannot wait to talk to him

01:41:27.000 we'll do that tomorrow thanks for listening to the megan kelly show no bs no agenda and no fear

The Megyn Kelly Show - April 28, 2026

Kimmel's ＂Widow＂ Double Standard, Left Celebrates Political Violence, and Newsom's Hypocrisy, with Stu Burguiere ｜ Ep. 1305

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