00:01:50.900We told you yesterday how President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump are both calling on ABC to fire him over this so-called joke Kimmel made on Thursday.
00:02:05.160Of course, our First Lady Melania is here.
00:03:25.980You know, those of us who remember the news like more than a day's worth don't think it's really funny to joke about assassinating Trump, you know, because like it almost happened many times.
00:03:38.340So it might be something a comedian in good taste, like one who's broadcasting every night on the network as opposed to at the great comedy cellar where anything goes, might want to uphold a certain standard of decorum and not joke about the thing that nearly happened and horrified a nation.
00:09:37.240Just the way he talks, you know, like with his little head cock, you know, like,
00:09:42.260and then everything's like through his squinted eyes, like he's got bad eyesight, you know, like.
00:09:47.040Let me tell you, let me tell you, barely looking up, you know, like he's been punched in the face
00:09:52.300too many times. He's got to like, kind of look up to make his little comments. He looks like
00:09:56.440something's wrong with him. He's got some permanent crick in his neck. He had like neck surgery that
00:10:00.300went bad. He looks bizarre. In any event, he also looks very old, which is part of his problem
00:10:05.400because he's out of touch. He truly is out of touch. And like what modern standards of decency
00:10:10.360are, he thinks this is fine. He is truly the most sanctimonious man in show business.
00:10:17.040And he was at his own gala where he was receiving an honor, yet another honor for George Clooney.
00:10:24.580So he and his absurd wife showed up and he chose his moment, you know, just like, you know how he thinks the Democrat Party is just waiting for the next word from George Clooney after he wrote his little op-ed that the Biden he saw at that fundraiser was not the Biden that he had known.
00:10:43.260and he was so brave to speak truth to power.
00:10:47.180And then Jake Tapper interviewed him after the fact
00:10:49.760and he was like, you know, well, my party,
00:11:06.340It was only when we saw the debate meltdown
00:11:08.900that was undeniable and we all realized how infirm he was
00:11:12.480that finally George Clooney, realizing they were going to lose, found his backbone and spoke truth
00:11:18.880to power. So that's George. Okay. He's going to lecture me about how to do my journalism.
00:11:25.080He's going to lecture the Democrat party about its lies that he himself participated in
00:11:32.120until the moment when he realized that they were going to cost the Democrats that
00:11:36.680seat, the White House. And now he's got a thing to say about Jimmy Kimmel. Watch.
00:11:44.820Jimmy's a comedian. And I would argue that Caroline Levitt didn't mean shots should be fired,
00:11:50.960right? She was making a joke. Fair enough. So I look at that side and go, well, jokes are jokes.
00:11:57.100But the rhetoric, I think, is a little dangerous. And we've seen it a lot lately.
00:12:03.100OK, he's referencing their phrase Caroline Leavitt used before the dinner on Saturday night on the red carpet about what to expect from President Trump's speech at the correspondence dinner.
00:12:17.620Caroline obviously was actually not joking.
00:16:42.680So, look, as long as George wants to speak out,
00:16:46.920He's in the mood for a chat. He wants to talk about rhetoric. We can do that. Would love to ask him. And if that reporter had any stones, would have about his one million dollar donation to the Southern Poverty Law Center or SPLC.
00:16:59.320Now that the group has been indicted for funding so-called hate organizations through paying what it claims were informants.
00:17:08.420See, George gave them a million dollars.
00:17:11.000They used that million dollars to hire people to go cause the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally.
00:17:20.820The SPLC was allegedly funding that rally and half the people behind it with payments from people like George's girl died at that event. She got hit by a car. Does George take any responsibility to George feel like he should apologize and he should say, I got I didn't know.
00:17:42.160I had no idea. I'm going to take my money back. Right? Like, it's ridiculous. And God forbid,
00:17:50.720God forbid the reporters there do their homework and actually just ask him a tough question. But
00:17:54.780no, he just goes to be honored, you see. And then he does his little head cock squinty eye thing,
00:18:00.880his little shakes. He's got like, what is he at Parkinson's? He's like always shaking
00:18:03.920and offers his little sanctimonious opinion. Fuck off. Okay. He's just an actor. All right.
00:18:11.360what about the so-called serious journalists? What do the serious journalists think about
00:18:17.080Jimmy Kimmel's yuck, yuck, yuck about Melania wanting her husband, the president of the United
00:18:23.860States, dead? Here's Jake Tapper. It is a big problem of calls for violence and dehumanization,
00:18:31.840and it's getting worse. But it is not a problem to be wielded like a cudgel to try to stop
00:18:37.780journalism or jokes. Journalism and jokes are not calls for violence. Calls for violence
00:18:44.440are calls for violence. And far too many Americans in positions of power and influence
00:18:49.820are too blase and too glib about those who make them.
00:18:55.120It's no surprise Tapper's coming to the defense of Jimmy Kimmel. Here's Jake at a 2023 party
00:19:00.500at Jimmy Kimmel's Lodge in Idaho. My friends, this is why you don't get too close
00:19:07.040with the people who you might be covering.
00:19:10.180Honestly, like I, there's a reason I say no
00:19:14.100to virtually every invitation that comes my way.
00:19:16.880I don't want to be chummy with these people.
00:22:24.680So keep your mouth shut about your biased opinions because he's your friend and you are the biggest celebrity effer of all.
00:22:33.300I mean, truly, like in college, they called all the girls who were like giving it up for the lacrosse players at every turn, the jock sniffers.
00:22:39.800um it's the same for people like gail and some of these other morning show hosts who are celebrity
00:22:46.860sniffers all they like they just want to land a celebrity you know it's not in their bed it's on
00:22:53.660their set and they'll do whatever they need to in order to run cover for them sweet talk them
00:22:58.660stay in good with them so that they'll come on that's what she's doing there she's looking for
00:23:03.440the Jimmy Kimmel text, like, thanks so much for defending me. It's disgusting, the cabal that
00:23:09.940they're all part of. We know this guy hates Trump. He has a longstanding pattern of total contempt
00:23:17.240for not only the president, but everyone in the MAGA movement, everyone. It wasn't always thus.
00:23:25.680This was going around on X this morning, and we pulled it because I thought you'd find it
00:23:28.740interesting. This is from 1981. The Oscars had just been delayed 24 hours after the assassination
00:23:38.060attempt on President Reagan at the very same Hilton Hotel where the events unfolded this past
00:23:45.480Saturday. John Hinckley Jr. shot the president, just walked up and shot him. We later found out
00:23:51.940He was trying to impress Jodie Foster. He did put a bullet in James Brady's head. It changed the debate around guns and presidential safety. And they call this place the Hinkley Hilton now as a result.
00:24:08.080Okay, but 24 hours after that happened, the Oscars took place.
00:24:14.600And here is how the legendary Johnny Carson, who created, well, was one of the early pioneers of the late night format, handled the situation then.
00:24:26.180I'm sure that all of you here and most of you watching tonight understand why we delayed this program for 24 hours.
00:24:32.640because of the incredible events of yesterday,
00:24:36.640that old adage, the show must go on, seemed relatively unimportant.
00:24:41.040The Academy, ABC television, and all of us connected with the show
00:24:44.140felt because of the uncertain outcome, as of this time yesterday,
00:24:48.220it would have been inappropriate to stage a celebration.
00:24:52.020But the news today is very good, as you know.
00:24:53.900The president is in excellent condition at last reports.
00:25:02.640and he is uh and he happens to be in very good spirits uh after all you must remember this is
00:25:12.980a man who yesterday while he was in the hospital unable to speak wrote on a sheet of paper
00:25:17.600all things considered i'd rather be in philadelphia
00:25:20.620so tonight the show does go on and then he played a video of president ronald reagan
00:25:29.400I will say Jimmy Kimmel included the line, I'm sorry that you, to the first lady, and the president, and everyone in that room on Saturday, went through that.
00:34:06.340But are we judging her by 2021 standards or by 2028? Struggle sessions, counseling on air, lengthy apologies. Didn't get it done. Chris Harrison was fired from his job of two decades.
00:34:22.340decades his career has never recovered because those assholes so besmirched him as some sort of
00:34:29.620a racist and but you get a total pass if you are a comedian making jokes and that's in quotes at
00:34:39.060the president's expense or that of the first lady that's that's a yuckety yuck hit the knee
00:34:44.980holler out loud kind of moment for ABC, Stu. And so while neither you nor I are fans of cancel
00:34:52.400culture, I believe we must make them play by their own rules. Those rules don't get bent
00:34:59.500when the party who's been targeted and offended is a Republican victim, as opposed to one of the
00:35:06.860Democrats' favorite people or causes. Yeah, I mean, it's just watching that clip brings me back
00:35:13.320to a completely different era i i it's i you if you want a commercial as to how donald trump became
00:35:19.340president again in the first place you can watch that clip and realize you know people were just
00:35:24.540what the heck is this this poor guy i mean i feel bad for him you kind of hope that if you were in
00:35:29.440that position you'd have uh you know a different approach i i would hope i would just say to my
00:35:34.560bosses screw you i'm not saying that stuff it's easy to say uh you know when you're but wait let
00:35:39.840mean let me just jump in and say because i was in this position i mean i was in this position
00:35:43.680shortly before chris was and um when they're telling you like your entire contract which is
00:35:51.620probably pretty hefty is going away and you're thinking am i going to be able to pay my bills
00:35:57.020am i going to have to move and my kids are going to have to come out of these schools
00:36:00.480am i going can i avoid this national humiliation just by saying okay i'm sorry i like i'm sorry
00:36:06.980fine. You know, some people may actually have been offended. It seems at the time,
00:36:11.260this is before I'm sorry's were canceled, right? Like this is back in the era where apologies
00:36:17.520were still a thing. It seems like a low price to pay to save your whole career, to save your
00:36:23.420contract, to save the possibility of not having everybody call you a racist, which is not a fun
00:36:29.340thing to be called, right? It's like, you have to look at it through the 2021 mindset, as opposed
00:36:34.320to like present day when we know the apology gets you nothing Chris Harrison learned the hard way
00:36:39.560it gets you nothing you still get fired I learned the hard way it gets you nothing you still get
00:36:43.540booted so it's like he didn't know at that point I think 2026 Chris Harrison would not apologize
00:36:49.000yeah it's easy to say it really is I mean it's the same reason why people settle lawsuits all
00:36:52.560the time that they don't think that they're wrong on right I mean this you have to make
00:36:55.660calculations in your life and for business it's it's it's an understandable part of who we are
00:37:00.440And I think I think it's I think we've improved that a considerable amount because we saw, you know, what what the outcome of some of those apologies were.
00:37:09.120And the worst part about that is he look, he was the good guy in that situation.
00:37:14.320It was easy to pile on some poor 18 year old girl who, you know, quote unquote, made a mistake and went to a party that a million other people went to at that time.
00:37:24.980He was doing he was doing the hard thing.
00:37:27.040He was standing up for someone who was being beaten down by the Internet and the media, and he actually was the good guy in that situation, full stop.
00:37:34.800And then you see these people who, you know, like Strahan, who come on and pile on top of him afterward.
00:37:40.660It's even more despicable because they all know why he's there.
00:37:44.520They all know that there was nothing wrong with what he did.
00:38:26.620Roseanne ruined from the from the number one show for a joke.
00:38:32.000Chris Harrison, not even a joke, a mild milquetoast defense of somebody who was really hurting and was not a bad person and ruined two decades of a career.
00:38:42.760That's the loyalty they showed to their two decade employee.
00:38:44.980We can keep going. Gina Carano, who is that's now that's Disney.
00:38:49.200Same company, though. She was starring in The Mandolin and she posted.
00:38:55.700I'll put it up on the board. She posted like a picture of the Holocaust of Jews being rounded up
00:39:02.660and like tortured by people in their neighborhood. And she was making the point that some civilians
00:39:10.200helped round up Jews. It wasn't all the Nazis. Like they terrorized communities so much that
00:39:17.340some civilians helped round up Jewish people when they were being shipped off to camps.
00:39:23.140and she was making the point that the way people talk about conservatives trying to turn their
00:39:29.040neighbors against them has shades of that and she wasn't in a way was she saying conservatives are
00:39:35.120like not nazi victims you know holocaust victims she was not suggesting that she was basically
00:39:39.580saying like you don't turn neighbor on neighbor that's fraught and it's got a bad history
00:39:44.800fired lost her whole movie career at disney this same company we're talking about same company
00:39:52.460So why don't these standards apply to Jimmy Kimmel?
00:39:55.320Yeah, I mean, they took the one good thing Disney did with Star Wars and got rid of her
00:44:23.260You know, I was on Glenn Beck program back in the day.
00:44:25.260and people criticized us constantly and blamed us for things that crazy people did you can't do that
00:44:30.560and it's an unfair standard in this country we have a free speech agreed for a reason you know
00:44:36.080what is building on top of that however particularly on the left is the lionization of the people who
00:44:42.260actually commit the violence no that is a different scenario than saying even trump is a fascist which
00:44:48.860i am critical of and i think you should be more responsible than as a journalist what jimmy
00:44:52.700Kimmel said the other day you should think as a person who's on national television after you've
00:44:57.180watched this man get shot literally on stage you think your standards would be a little bit more
00:45:02.480appropriate however when you're talking about what they're doing with the guy and I don't want to say
00:45:07.340his name who killed the the health care executive that type of activity we've seen study after study
00:45:13.720after study that lionizing people who do things like that does bring copycats does bring more of
00:45:19.020this crime this is what's happened in the columbine post-columbine community when people like that
00:45:23.880become these sort of hero uh heroes and then we watch journalists we watch people who are getting
00:45:30.720interviews hassan piker uh you know taylor lorenz praising this guy and acting like he's a hero thank
00:45:38.000god somebody did this thank god someone was standing up that is the type of stuff that
00:45:43.100actually does scientifically studied does produce copycats and more of this type of violence
00:45:49.160and i you know i'm really concerned about how the left is doing that over and over and over again
00:45:55.540with these types of people i really think like stay away from trump assassination jokes okay
00:46:01.660because it's not a joke it's happened now almost four times so it's not funny trust me jimmy to
00:46:09.200those of us who are on the right or in the center, we don't find it funny at all. We actually find it
00:46:13.760very disturbing. It actually brings up something that was extremely jarring for at least half the
00:46:18.020nation. Really extremely jarring and upsetting. So like we don't want to joke about it the same
00:46:23.660way we don't want to joke about Charlie's assassination. You fucking cretin, which he
00:46:28.220also thought was funny and fair game. He's disgusting. He's a pig. He should have been
00:46:32.540fired for that a long time ago. They kept him on the air. And once again, he doubles down on
00:46:38.600assassination jokes and now doesn't have the balls, Stu, to admit that's what it is.
00:46:43.880Trying to, same as Nora O'Donnell in that clip with Trump on 60 Minutes, like, oh, did you think
00:46:49.720that was about you? The killer, the would-be killer's reference to a pedophile, rapist,
00:46:54.980whatever the third word was. Did you think that was you? Same here with Jimmy Kimmel going, oh,
00:47:00.480oh, did you think that was an assassination joke? No, that was just because he's so much
00:47:05.200older than she is. Oh, sure. Sure, Jan. Yeah, yeah, sure. The third word, by the way, was traitor,
00:47:12.320Megan. And you'd think after watching a manifesto like this and hearing this come out in the days
00:47:19.220after yet another assassination attempt on the president, it might be a good day for you to
00:47:25.540admit that he's not a pedophile and he's not a rapist and he's not a traitor. How about that?
00:47:31.240How about starting there? Just knocking those claims down for a second and saying, by the way, there's no evidence of this whatsoever. There's been some allegations. Those allegations have never been proven. And maybe like addressing those things and taking them off the table a little bit from a trusted source would be helpful in a moment like this to, as they always criticize us, they want us to lower the temperature.
00:47:57.000They want they want Donald Trump to do that all the time. And at times there are there's some legitimate arguments to that, I think, with him. But when it comes to their own reputation, their own responsibility in a moment like this, they never find it. They can never locate their own will to be able to lower the temperature whatsoever. It's only criticizing us for hiring it.
00:48:18.780I totally agree with that. And the other thing is I don't excuse any of the I mean, Trump celebrated the death of Robert Mueller. That was bad. Rob Reiner celebrated the death of Rob Reiner. We and virtually every conservative called him out on that. You know, that's bad shit. He shouldn't be doing it.
00:48:34.400But the truth is, the political assassinations are happening of right wing figures.
00:49:21.900The pedophile thing, the rapist thing.
00:49:25.120Like, that is your standard fare these days.
00:49:27.920on MSNBC, some CNN shows, and certainly in the left-wing pot of sphere. And here's just an
00:49:35.580example of some Democrats sounding, I mean, you want to talk about rhetoric. Here's some Democrats
00:49:42.100in SOT 15. Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very
00:49:50.200foundations of our republic. And he must be stopped. He cannot be president. They're still
00:49:56.520going to have to go out and put a bullet in donald trump movement is a threat the extremists that
00:50:00.900we're dealing with every single day we've got to kill and confront that movement clearly you know
00:50:05.320this is a um literally call to arms really what conservative white folks do when they don't get
00:50:12.760their way they turn violent you know who i gotta vote for to keep hitler out the white house yeah
00:50:17.740hitler white house we keeping them out keeping project 2025 out that's all i care about up and
00:50:22.740down the ballot from the rooted to the tutor. And if you see anybody from that cabinet in a
00:50:27.720restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd.
00:50:36.180And you push back on them. And you tell them they're not welcome anymore. And with this kind
00:50:43.680of inspiration, I will go and take Trump out tonight. I tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell
00:50:52.720you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. It is just unquestionable
00:51:01.920at this point that that man cannot see public office and he has to be he has to be eliminated.
00:51:11.760Crazy. That's just one little stop montage, Stu. I mean, we could we could be here all day.
00:51:17.880I just think, like, if their side were being assassinated like this, they'd be marching in the streets to muzzle us all.
00:51:27.920The right has been handling itself very well in the wake of these calls to violence that really, you know, in the wake of which we've seen four assassination attempts of our president.
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00:52:58.200So speaking of Hassan Piker, who is this left-wing podcaster who is really incendiary in his
00:53:06.380rhetoric, like beyond. He gave an interview to the New York Times, I think it was, who was it to?
00:53:15.480Yeah, to the New York Times, yeah, on April 22nd. And they discussed the murder of United
00:53:21.740Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, which you just referenced a moment ago. And here is the exchange
00:53:27.100that the two of them had. I think this begins with the New York Times reporter asking a question.
00:53:33.880the second voice is Piker. 40% of Gen Zers felt that that murder was morally justified,
00:53:40.700but it's scary to be in a society where people feel that murder is morally justified. And I'm
00:53:45.760curious how we, how we thread that line. Yeah. Um, Engels wrote about the concept of social
00:53:54.400murder and Brian Thompson as the United healthcare CEO was engaging in a tremendous amount of social
00:54:03.600murder, the systematized forms of violence, the structural violence of poverty, the for-profit
00:54:12.480paywalled system of healthcare in this country. Because of the pervasive pain that the private
00:54:24.460healthcare system had created for the average American, I saw so many people immediately
00:54:32.300understand why this death had taken place that is lunacy stew that is like truly dangerous lunacy
00:54:42.500the way he talked about social murder that's what health insurance companies do as if they have
00:54:48.640a moral obligation to say yes to every procedure every medication every surgery that a person
00:54:56.740wants done, or they're murderers. That's not how insurance works. It's a business. I don't love
00:55:04.620insurance companies. Nobody does. But it's an imperfect business, but it's a business. It is
00:55:08.880not actually just a support network for people who are ill. He misunderstands the fundamental nature
00:55:13.940and then accuses them of being murderers, which truly is dangerous rhetoric, and did, in fact,
00:55:19.200that kind of thinking, get Brian Thompson killed. Yes, that is 100% what happened there.
00:55:26.220And if you happen to be, you know, listening on Sirius or listening on podcasts, you don't get to see the wonderful visual of the New York Times person nodding along as he's explaining the concept of how he was guilty of social murder, which, by the way, is not a thing.
00:55:41.800ankles is not a good source for truth uh just in case anyone was wondering about that uh but like
00:55:48.600yeah i mean you know it's also just completely insane but you know i also have my issues i think
00:55:54.340everyone's had a run-in with a health care company where they're annoyed at the way something has
00:55:58.720been handled however when you look at when you step back and look at the entire picture it's
00:56:03.740impossible to even make an argument that they're a negative for society they're paying for millions
00:56:10.080of surgeries all the time yes they do occasionally make bad calls yes they do occasionally uh you
00:56:16.340know have improper motivations uh for these things to happen there are cases where you know
00:56:21.500they've been you know they've been charged with criminal activity uh for some of this that being
00:56:25.960said overwhelmingly most of the stuff does get covered most of the stuff is paid for most of
00:56:30.900the stuff is assisting people actually get better to actually get better i reject the idea that
00:56:36.680there's some wonderful grandiose other health care system out there that is better than the
00:56:41.600one that we have as imperfect as it is uh you know and so while you see go move to canada yeah
00:56:46.500exactly in fact what you see constantly are people coming on trips here to get the surgery done by
00:56:52.080people who know what they're doing uh you would go go go wait in the lines you know i talked to
00:56:56.300people who i know in canada who are like look our health care system is isn't bad when you can get
00:57:01.540into the office when you can get an appointment when you're not waiting six or eight months before
00:57:05.940the surgery that you need there are problems two years for a breast cancer screening for a woman
00:57:11.620who finds a lump in her breast just to figure out whether it in fact is a tumor you can wait
00:57:17.240years yeah okay go see how you like that but it's free every procedure is covered see how you like
00:57:23.060that yeah hassan yeah one of the last shows i did on the glenbeck radio program before i i left was
00:57:28.480we we talked about a woman in that exact same situation who was going through a serious uh
00:57:33.740medical issue she was trying to get treatment in uh in canada she was rejected over and over and
00:57:40.020over again by the system again this wonderful socialist system kept rejecting her and she
00:57:45.460then wound up signing up for maid which is their suicide program their euthanasia program she
00:57:53.980signed up for it and was by the way thankfully on a waiting list for that too uh but and luckily
00:57:59.820she was caught before she got there that we were made aware of that story we brought on some of the
00:58:04.360best doctors in america to help her uh with her situation that's the sort of stuff that has to
00:58:10.880happen in these in these uh you know left-wing communist uh you know dreams of a health care
00:58:16.700system so i reject the concept but even if we were terrible even if we did have a horrible health care
00:58:22.500system the the answer can never be to justify the murder of a ceo a ceo by the way who is well
00:58:29.620known within the company to try to be trying to fix the problems that Hassan Piker supposedly
00:58:35.280has with UnitedHealthcare. All of this is idiocy, and it can never justify violence.
00:58:40.720I see his comment as in the same bucket as the Jimmy Kimmel joke, because clearly he is joking
00:58:48.760about assassination. I don't accept for one second. He's talking about May, December ages
00:58:52.560on Trump and Melania. No, I don't believe that. He's suggesting she'd love to see him bumped off.
00:58:58.320and I and what it effectively does is help desensitize us to the possibility that that
00:59:06.400happens it's like we've laughed about it like isn't it a little funny isn't he kind of annoying
00:59:12.420wouldn't it be better if he weren't here like that's what he's doing he's chipping away at a
00:59:19.200foundational sense of morality we all used to have about no it's it's not okay you don't joke
00:59:28.240about murdering someone's husband, someone's dad, someone's granddad, someone's president.
00:59:33.620It's actually not funny at all. And you don't talk about social murder by an insurance agent
00:59:39.980that would justify his execution in the street as his teenage sons are suffering. And you don't
00:59:47.380come out explicitly as Taylor Lorenz, who's written for the New York Times and the Washington
00:59:52.320Post did and openly celebrate the assassination. Here she is, CNN, April of 2025.
01:00:00.720Hilarious to see these millionaire media pundits on TV clutching their pearls
01:00:05.920about someone standing a murderer when this is this is the United States of America,
01:00:10.560as if we don't lionize criminals, as if we don't have, you know, we don't stand
01:00:15.540murderers of all sorts. We give them Netflix shows. There's a huge disconnect between the
01:00:22.000narratives and angles that sort of mainstream media pushes and what the American public feels.
01:00:27.080And you see that in moments like this. The women who got her outside course in New York.
01:00:32.300So you're going to see women especially that feel like, oh my God, right? Like here's this man who
01:00:37.040who's a revolutionary, who's famous, who's handsome, who's young, who's smart. He's a
01:00:44.760person that seems like this morally good man, which is hard to find.
01:00:49.500oh my god i just realized women will literally date an assassin before they swipe right on me
01:00:56.640that's where we are morally good man i mean that's amazing i've interviewed lots of murderers
01:01:04.660still lots of them i i don't i you could do it as a probe into the mind of a killer what makes
01:01:12.960somebody murder that's all very interesting to me from a journalistic perspective i wouldn't then
01:01:17.740call them a morally good man and justify the murders. That's really what she did. I'm going
01:01:23.720to give you one more. This was her earlier, closer in time to the actual offense. This is December
01:01:29.4402024 on with our pal Piers Morgan. I do believe in the sanctity of life. And I think that's why
01:01:37.080I felt, along with so many other Americans, joy, unfortunately, you know, because it feels like
01:01:43.380serious i mean joy in a man's execution maybe not joy but certainly not no certainly not
01:01:49.740empathy he's a father and he's being young down in the middle of manhattan why is that making
01:01:55.300joy of americans that be murdered so are tens so are the tens of thousands of americans innocent
01:02:00.760americans who died because greedy health insurance executives like this one push a policies of
01:02:08.780denying care to the most vulnerable people should they all be killed then should they all be killed
01:02:12.880these healthcare executives would that make you even more joyful uh no
01:02:17.260it's crazy but she's not an outlier still no no i mean it's very very common i mean i you know
01:02:26.240it's it's terrifying to think about that because you know you you played it earlier on the show
01:02:32.160megan a clip of uh johnny carson after the ronald reagan uh assassination attempt and you know you
01:02:39.100You saw the crowd universally, you know, clap and applaud for, you know, for Ronald Reagan
01:02:45.580surviving the exact way you'd want a crowd to respond to someone almost being murdered.
01:02:50.520And what's scariest to me about all of this is we all know in that crowd of Hollywood
01:02:57.500celebrities, there were plenty of people who despised Ronald Reagan and probably a decent
01:03:05.760amount of them that were kind of happy that something like this happened they probably were
01:03:12.140secretly uh cheering this on but that's the word that i think is really important here
01:03:16.660secretly they were they would be embarrassed by it they wouldn't want to tell anyone that they
01:03:21.360were happy that ronald reagan had been shot they wouldn't want to celebrate it openly they would
01:03:26.020never do that what has changed there was a standard of decency there was a standard of decency and
01:03:31.480other people would hold you to account if you came out and said gosh i'm really excited that
01:03:35.000that happened to ronald reagan your liberal friends would call you insane and never want
01:03:39.400to be around you again what's going on now and this happens with trump and it happens uh certainly
01:03:44.460in this health care situation is there there is a at the very least a quiet um uh in group
01:03:53.800celebration of of what might happen to donald trump and honestly we're seeing constantly on
01:03:59.940social media and with people like taylor lorenz who is you know just bat crap crazy people who
01:04:06.620will publicly tell you they had joy to watch a father get murdered in the streets not even
01:04:13.360because of a specific critique of him but because of people of executives like him it was her quote
01:04:19.900not even that he did anything wrong and they're they're doing it right now about the attempt on
01:04:26.200Trump's life from Saturday night. We pulled just a couple. The irony here, excuse me, this woman,
01:04:32.800Ali King, I'm about to show you, works for UnitedHealthcare. She's commenting on the Trump
01:04:39.440assassination attempt from Saturday. But of all people, you would think somebody who works for
01:04:44.560UnitedHealthcare, a group that saw its own president and CEO get murdered in the street,
01:04:49.900she'd have a sensitivity to how awful that is, irrespective of somebody's politics or job
01:04:56.780responsibilities. Nope. Listen to her. It's not 31. We're cooked as a country when my first
01:05:02.540reaction to hearing the news about Trump's attempt was it was probably fake. Like immediately I was
01:05:10.160like, oh, that wasn't real. Probably fake. And the second was, oh, they missed.
01:05:15.380hmm so happy they missed um yeah that's that's that's sad that's when you know we're cooked
01:05:24.180okay thankfully united health care fired her ass good for them you cannot allow that that
01:05:32.160you just can't allow that sort of cavalier nature to human life especially at a health care company
01:05:39.200an insurance company which deals in health care here's another one um this is a woman on tiktok
01:06:12.920I guarantee you these same people are cheering for the shooter, the would-be shooter, who's now in custody for attempting on President Trump on Saturday.
01:08:01.260You know, they point to things like Paul Pelosi.
01:08:04.960you know, Paul Pelosi, Paul Pelosi was attacked by a lunatic homeless dude who had BLM and pride
01:08:11.920flags all over the limited materials he had in his homeless encampment. Like they pointed just
01:08:18.200these random situations where maybe a leftist got attacked, but nine times out of 10 by another
01:08:23.740leftist, right? Without acknowledging any of the rhetoric that they've been spewing that we hear
01:08:31.640time and time again from their killers or on their killer's ammo it's so true that the both
01:08:39.420side stuff is just irritating i mean everyone can quote the the the incidents that you speak of
01:08:45.220because they're just constantly brought up there would be like 27 new situations where some left
01:08:51.160wing person commits violence and they're like well remember the guy who did an abortion clinic
01:08:56.780bombing in 1994 right like it's like yeah the fact that you need to go back to these things
01:09:01.940over and over again it kind of a sign but once again I remember back I think his name was Eric
01:09:08.340Rudolph back in the day one of the abortion clinic bombers back in the 90s yeah and you know there
01:09:15.100were very limited rumors and stories about certain people I guess you'd call them on the right had
01:09:23.500that had bumper stickers because that last name was rudolph and hit they were run rudolph run
01:09:27.800bumper stickers back in the day it was kind of a big story because people were like oh my gosh
01:09:31.300there's a few people who actually would justify this violence and every mainstream conservative
01:09:36.000in the universe came out and said no we don't like that's horrible a horrible horrible thing
01:09:40.660and what you're seeing on the left with this lionization of the people doing this
01:09:45.720is a totally different culture than what you see on the right are there examples of people on the
01:09:52.000right committing violence of course there are and those are really bad things and we denounce them
01:09:56.540every single time they occur i have no problem doing that it's not a borderline issue to me i
01:10:01.320don't care how much i i don't like taxes i don't care how much uh i don't i know i'm very very very
01:10:07.340pro-life uh i don't have any interest and had any patience whatsoever for anyone who would even
01:10:13.660consider doing a thing like that you are the bad guy if that's who you're what you're thinking
01:10:18.600about doing you are evil you are far more evil than anybody else that i can think of because
01:10:24.420you're taking a a cause that i believe in that's that's good protecting human life and turning it
01:10:30.480into this evil so i have no patience for you whatsoever when we talk about islamic extremists
01:10:36.440one of the criticisms from conservatives uh is typically to say hey you need to be standing up
01:10:41.820against the people in your community who are uh committing violent acts if you happen to be
01:10:46.800a normal uh you know god-fearing uh law-abiding muslim right that needs to be part it's part of
01:10:52.840your of your responsibility to do that it is central to you if someone is taking on one of
01:10:58.300your viewpoints to say hey i don't agree with that at all you see almost none of this with the left
01:11:04.160what the left is doing is bringing hassan piker on writing columns in the new york times saying
01:11:08.720he's not he's not the enemy he's one of the good guys and then bringing him on podcasts and joking
01:11:13.660around about him with him about social murder and how it pretty much justifies a dad being murdered
01:11:19.720on a sidewalk in the middle of manhattan that does and again i bring it back there are tons of
01:11:25.940studies on this megan that show through trying to study mass shootings and to solve a really
01:11:30.560difficult problem the only thing that seems to make any difference is taking away the notoriety
01:11:35.820and the fame from that that small in group if they have that cult following it is going to
01:11:40.780increase more people and i guarantee you this guy we don't know it yet but i bet you anything that
01:11:45.240this guy had the same sort of glowing the glow in his eyes that taylor lorenz had for the guy who
01:11:51.380murdered the health care executive oh he went all the way across the country and he did all this
01:11:55.540and he planned it and he plotted it it's a very similar story and i would not be surprised at all
01:12:00.560to find that there was a lot of thought that went into that that echoed this to be seen as a hero
01:12:06.520Once I get this done, I will be seen as taking out this evil problem, and everyone will look at me with the same wonderful batting of the eyes that Taylor Lorenz had for this other murderer.
01:12:17.200It's despicable, and I really think we're creating new problems here.
01:12:22.720Yeah, you go from zero to hero in one spare bullet.
01:12:27.500The data that has come out on who supports political violence is also very eye-opening.
01:12:34.600This is from Emerson, a poll that was done in December of 2024, and it found that 41% of 18 to 29-year-olds found the killing of the UnitedHealthcare CEO at least somewhat justified.
01:12:48.96041% of 18 to 29-year-olds found it at least somewhat justified.
01:12:57.820And then, I talked about this a little yesterday, but there was data just released that shows Americans with graduate degrees are far more likely to support political violence than those who have a high school diploma or less, a bachelor's degree, or just some college.
01:13:17.800The numbers are off the chart on who thinks violence is OK.
01:13:23.300Support for political violence based on education levels.
01:14:50.540I think it's patently absurd to be told by Trump and Fox and MAGA wagging a righteous
01:15:00.100finger that we should not have conversations now about gun control, about Trump's own divisive
01:15:07.020rhetoric, about MAGA's own divisive rhetoric, about MAGA's dangerous lies and conspiracy theories
01:15:12.220that have led to actual violence. We're only supposed to apparently have a conversation about
01:15:18.020the supposedly violent left and Trump derangement syndrome. That's the only reason, apparently,
01:15:24.220there's been this uptick in political violence. And that's insane. That doesn't make any sense.
01:15:28.600No one should want political violence. But I also said that after Butler, but I also said that after
01:15:35.420paul pelosi i said that after the insurrection and the murder of two minnesota democrats and
01:15:41.240the plot against gretchen whitmer and the attack on josh shapiro it has not just been from the left
01:15:47.500okay just a couple things like the paul pelosi guy was a lunatic blmer you know lgbtq pride flag guy
01:15:54.180who is an insane person the guy who committed those two murders in minneapolis in minnesota
01:15:58.980was an obvious nutcase who had worked for Tim Walls, whose politics closer to the murders
01:16:05.980appear to have turned right. Then you've got Gretchen Whitmer. That was like an FBI sting
01:16:12.140that was perpetrated where you had more FBI agents than you did actual people who wanted
01:16:17.480to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer. She mentioned Josh Shapiro. That was a free, free Palestine leftist
01:16:22.120who firebombed the governor's mansion. Again, these are all examples of left wingers
01:16:26.500attacking left-wingers. That is not about right-wing rhetoric. Now, as for conspiracy
01:16:32.900theories leading to violence, I think she's talking about January 6th. I've got my own
01:16:37.920thoughts on that. I've never defended it. There are many people on the right who do have strong
01:16:41.760thoughts on that and whether those January 6th folks were railroaded into a profile of them that
01:16:48.060is unfair. But OK, fine. So that's your one thing. January 6th. That was bad. It wasn't great.
01:16:54.340Actually, contrary to the left lies, the only person who died that day was Ashley Babbitt, who was a Trump supporter, who was shot by a cop who had a trigger finger.
01:17:02.180It wasn't that there were five deaths in the cops.
01:17:47.180We have seen, in addition to this, attacks on politicians in Minneapolis and Israeli embassy staffers in D.C., just to name a couple examples of why I think it feels to a lot of people like we're living in this age of heightened political violence.
01:18:03.880One thing has definitely increased, and that is the number of threats just floating around the Internet, the number of threats that go after not just politicians, but, for example, judges and schools and hospitals.
01:18:19.840And to the question of is there more political violence in America, I think it depends on how you measure.
01:18:24.760I'm wondering whether you would count somebody who goes into a school having written a thousand words about a political grievance and commits a mass act of violence.
01:18:36.180Would that be considered political violence, even if the targets are not themselves politicians, for example, or elected officials?
01:18:42.720And so in that scenario, the victim isn't, you know, a quote unquote political victim, but the act is carried out in the name of a political issue.
01:18:50.780I think most people would consider that to be political violence.
01:18:53.760so now all the school shootings it's like those are all counted as political violence
01:19:01.260so we're really not in a heightened time this is a way of diminishing what's been happening to
01:19:06.840president trump and right-wing figure figures like it's not 1968 we've been dealing with this
01:19:12.080for quite some time all the school shootings are political some of the school shootings actually
01:19:16.800are political, Stu, the ones that they bury, the ones whose motivation they bury as too
01:19:23.980incendiary to even look at for a year like the one in Nashville, right?
01:19:28.760Like just they are unwilling to confront the reality that their side engages in incendiary
01:19:37.160rhetoric that has a real effect on way too many people, some of whom are nuts, some of
01:19:43.100whom are just radicalized like this latest guy who are actually murdering or making real world
01:19:52.460attempts to murder prominent right-wingers. Yeah. And we've seen, unfortunately, too many
01:19:58.460examples of that. And I'm glad you brought up the manifesto of the Nashville shooter. How many times
01:20:04.820have we seen this when it happens to be trans people who have a political agenda, an overt
01:20:09.960political agenda going and you know murdering children at christian schools that's absolutely
01:20:15.140political violence and i don't think there's any question about that it's not you know what you'd
01:20:19.740think of as a standard assassination uh but it is something that i think is absolutely in that
01:20:24.620bucket of political uh violence and like what what i think you know winds up bringing people
01:20:30.600uh to one of the reasons why i think we see people and i'm i'm sure i've done this at some
01:20:37.040point in my life where people would bring this up and they'd say well what about the you know the
01:20:41.220shooter that you know some right-wing piece of violence from the past and like i i'm pretty
01:20:46.080i'm pretty okay just saying yeah that's terrible like i my in my immediate response to that is
01:20:53.180of course that's terrible and i don't support it at all it's very easy for me and you and other
01:20:59.540sane rational people to do such things and sometimes that comes off as if there's some
01:21:04.200sort of oh both sides thing going on here look the problem is quite clearly focused on one side
01:21:09.360right now this is a massive problem where you have uh the the rhetoric on the left is certainly
01:21:16.260at the very least not helpful to this because you're talking about often people uh discussing
01:21:22.140this uh you know donald trump as a a person who is a unique threat to the country that is going to
01:21:30.240is doing things that are absolutely horrible everything from being a pedophile or a rapist
01:21:34.980or a traitor or hitler or fascist or someone that's just you know damaging and potentially
01:21:39.860like just picking up people off the street and murdering them without even telling their relatives
01:21:45.160and deporting them to foreign countries and all of these things when you have that sort of build
01:21:50.280up there are some people who will take that and go to the next step again we have to be really
01:21:55.200really careful with that particular thing because it you know we should be able to express our
01:22:01.060political opinions even we should even be able to go over the line at times and say things that are
01:22:05.880you know maybe a little bit excessive expressing your point our founders also agreed with that
01:22:10.120they were really clear that political speech should be protected and and that is you know
01:22:15.220it's a it's a it's an offshoot in a way of the first amendment to say hey even your crazy nutty
01:22:19.560political speech should be protected and i i really think that's important i know you do too
01:22:23.260megan but when you get to this point where you are looking we should all be able to look internally
01:22:29.040and be able to judge ourselves and hold ourselves to some standard abc should be doing that they
01:22:34.460should be holding themselves to a standard we should all be doing that ourselves we should
01:22:38.740all be able to say hey wait a minute you know like sure we can we are constitutionally protected
01:22:44.840to say all sorts of terrible things about our leaders but when you see bullets graze their
01:22:50.100ears all the time maybe this is the time to look into inward a little bit and say you know maybe
01:22:55.780uh i shouldn't be putting uh putting out that type of statement right now maybe i don't want
01:23:00.560to be tied to the people who are going to celebrate a statement you know i think it was uh katie
01:23:04.980porter the uh the the candidate uh for governor in uh yeah she's she's a joy all of her employees
01:23:12.380loved her too yeah she's she's quite entertaining but like what was it a day or two after uh she
01:23:19.160went out and after president trump was another attempt on his life that we all witnessed
01:23:25.040she put out this long fundraising email for her stupid campaign in california that basically said
01:23:32.700f trump all over it like i'm gonna just come out and say it f trump and we need to stop this man
01:23:38.780and he's horrible and all these like ridiculously over the top you know uh bad twitter follow type
01:23:47.480of nonsensical statements to try to get people all fired up to donate to her stupid campaign
01:23:53.860that is almost definitely going to end in a giant fat loss, despite the fact that her
01:23:58.620main competition was molesting people all over the place.
01:24:02.480This is the type of type of nonsense that like, should you should just catch yourself,
01:24:16.400Do you have any self-control at all? And a giant part of this country has none, has decided that because Trump does do this, and by the way, we're critical of him when he does, when he does this, they've decided, hey, what we need to do to be successes in politics right now is to out-Trump Trump and to be 10 times worse than he's ever imagined being.
01:24:34.760And to me, like, there is such an opening for Democrats here. When Trump does do things like the Rob Reiner thing that everybody's critical of, there would be an easy way to show contrast with that by just being sane and calm and measured and sober. And instead, they decided to go the completely opposite way. I guess in some ways it's a political gift, but man, it's terrible for the country.
01:24:56.480Yeah, the Katie Porter fundraising email flyer came out Monday, which is, you know, 36 hours after the assassination attempt.
01:25:08.080And she writes as follows. I'm Katie Porter. Some of you know me as the whiteboard lady who held CEOs and billionaires accountable in Congress.
01:25:15.080Literally, nobody knows you as that. So today I want to start with one simple, powerful message that we all agree on.
01:25:20.440Say it with me. Ready? One, two, three. Fuck Trump. Yeah, that's right. Fuck Trump.
01:25:25.740Together, we're going to kick Trump's ass in November and stop him in his tracks.
01:25:30.860I'll stand up to Trump and his cronies again and again, just as I did in Congress with or without my whiteboard.
01:25:35.880But this election for governor is about far more than defeating Trump.
01:25:39.600We know what Trump is willing to do and how far he's willing to go.
01:25:43.400He's willing to kill people in the streets, to rip health care away, to ruthlessly attack our democracy.
01:25:51.940But the governor's race asks us, what are we willing to do?
01:25:55.280oh wow what are you willing to do i mean that is just so inappropriate on the heels of an
01:26:01.700assassination attempt from her state from the state literally someone came from her state with
01:26:07.320those same ideals went across the country and tried to kill the guy 48 hours before she's
01:26:12.640sending out that fundraising email there is literally no shame there's no shame whatsoever
01:26:17.400yeah yeah and jimmy kimmel's from her state too i have to take a break but before we do i've got
01:26:21.980to get to joy read let me just play what she's saying about this it's not 29 oh they're just
01:26:26.920odd things that keep happening around trump and we know that victor orban allegedly allegedly
01:26:32.880according to washington post reporting there was a plot by the russians to stage an assassination
01:26:39.940fake assassination for orban so all of this throws in together you're like when something
01:26:44.880seems to perfect people they don't they don't believe in it and donald trump now again gets
01:26:50.480victimized by an alleged would-be assassin in front of the perfect witnesses the press
01:26:55.180okay believe it or not she's not wrong about the russians and victor orban that actually is
01:27:02.840in the washington post and they're saying they report that the russians um offered this strategy
01:27:10.580as a quote game changer in an internal report uh obtained and authenticated by a european
01:27:16.560intelligence service and reviewed by the Washington Post, the Russian operatives proposed a way to
01:27:21.360fundamentally alter the entire paradigm of the election campaign as Viktor Orban was losing in
01:27:26.780Hungary, the staging of an assassination attempt on Viktor Orban. So that did happen, that they
01:27:33.340discussed it as a possibility. The Russians offered it. But from there, she goes to what
01:27:40.300these are odd things happening around Trump and suggesting that this was staged, that something
01:27:46.540seems to be too perfect, she says, around what happened to Trump. And people don't believe in it.
01:27:52.760Donald Trump now again gets victimized by an alleged would-be assassin in front of
01:27:57.060the perfect witnesses, the press. And by the way, Don Lemon was out there interviewing people doing
01:28:03.600man on the street interviews, suggesting exactly the same. Trump's haters can't handle when anything
01:28:10.860happens to him that makes him look empathetic in any way yeah you played that i think the tiktok
01:28:17.620of the woman earlier who has this like real problem which is a she thinks it's fake but b
01:28:22.540also she hopes that it was successful which you know you can't it's fake then it couldn't have
01:28:27.080been successful pick a lane yeah pick a lane please but again they never pick a lane right
01:28:31.540and remember joy reed was the featured speaker at a rally outside the capitol um when uh democrats
01:28:38.800were um stepping out of the state of the union remember this when they were coming out of the
01:28:42.840state of the union and they were like oh gosh who are we going to pick as our featured speaker
01:28:45.780they picked her this crazy person who has been crazy for every moment we've been aware of her
01:28:51.400existence uh and it just is it really is bizarre that they keep going back to her because in a way
01:28:58.240it feels almost like unfair to pick a joy reed who's obviously a dunce to represent their point
01:29:04.240of view but they literally picked her to to represent their point of view she's central to
01:29:10.460their cause and what she is megan is their quiet voice these are the things that they say to each
01:29:15.440other all the time that they don't necessarily want to admit but increasingly so we see with
01:29:21.380the examples we've used in this hour with taylor lorenz and hassan piker and all these others
01:29:24.840they are admitting now more and more are admitting and yeah it is real like that conspiracy theory
01:29:30.260has caught on on the left i would not be surprised if you pulled it right now with at least the on
01:29:34.140line left that over 50% of people believe that was a false flag, a fake operation when it came
01:29:40.860to that. I'd love to see it through. How did they get this guy, Alan Cole, to do it and to ruin the
01:29:47.060rest of his life where he agrees he's going to go to prison forever to just be part of a stunt
01:29:52.500to make Trump look empathetic, sympathetic to the rest of us? I don't get it. I really would
01:29:58.300like to see the conspiracy theory played out. Now, if this guy is Russian and doesn't speak
01:30:04.420English, okay, now I'm paying attention. That's not what's happening. So I'd love to hear it all
01:30:10.500spelled out by somebody who buys into it. All right, standby. We're going to take a quick break
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01:34:43.780And I was never. Excuse me. Excuse me. You shouldn't be reading that on 60 Minutes. You're a disgrace. But go ahead. Let's finish the interview.
01:34:51.940The other thing that he wrote in the. OK, so Jennifer Newsome weighs in. She doesn't like the way he spoke to Nora O'Donnell and says the following.
01:35:02.960This is on X. My family and I watched the 60 Minutes interview with Donald Trump and Nora O'Donnell last night, and we were shocked seeing a president speak to a woman journalist with that level of contempt.
01:35:13.780And a clear allergy to facts is disturbing, though at this point, not unexpected, given
01:35:41.880Add in rhetoric rooted in political division, amplified by a digital ecosystem that rewards outrage and misinformation.
01:35:51.740And this cultural norm of hate, othering and misogyny becomes pervasive, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:36:00.320She says it normalizes dominance and aggression toward women and girls.
01:36:05.000That's what he was doing, normalizing aggression and dominance toward women and girls, which not only silences them, but leads to internalized misogyny.
01:36:16.440Thank you to Nora and all the female journalists and frankly, to all of you who continue to be brave and speak truth to power.
01:36:25.620This culture of misogyny is on all of us.