The Megyn Kelly Show - King Charles vs. Diana's Brother, Harry and Meghan's Latest Fails, Plus Chazz Palminteri on Robert De Niro and Woody Allen ｜ Ep. 1404

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00:03:15.100 the new book from Princess Diana's brother, Earl Charles Spencer, or Carlos, as we like to call him,

00:03:23.280 because that's what Princess Diana liked to call him. And it just gets confusing because in his

00:03:27.860 book, he's taking aim at then Prince, now King Charles, and he's also Charles. So he's Carlos

00:03:34.900 to us. Spencer issuing an apology today as he kicks off his book. This is turning into a

00:03:43.020 nightmare. First, the thing got stolen, four copies off the back of a bus by some paparazzo,

00:03:50.120 and it hit, all the headlines hit everywhere long before its launch, which was officially

00:03:55.120 this past Tuesday, yesterday, I believe. And then already we had the palace push back on

00:04:03.240 And some of the claims in there saying, you know, it was kind of the recollections may vary, King Charles version saying like the grief of a brother may taint one's remembrances, something along those lines.

00:04:14.520 Because he's claiming that then Prince Charles was giddy upon hearing that Diana died and that then at the funeral said to the effect of she'll be forgotten very soon.

00:04:29.000 So he doesn't like Charles.

00:04:32.260 That's very clear. But there are real questions about whose memory is correct, right? Because the king is saying he's off and the earl is saying the king is off and it's a mano a mano situation.

00:04:47.160 Well, enter Piers Morgan, who is the Waldo of every great British royals story.

00:04:55.140 He's just somehow related to almost all of them.

00:04:58.500 He's just been in media over there so long and fearless that you see him a lot in the background of these stories, especially when it comes to Diana, because he knew her.

00:05:08.380 They were friends.

00:05:09.360 and she used him when he, because Piers came from like British tabloids and she used him often to

00:05:16.420 get stories planted and to bone up on what was being reported and in some cases to change the

00:05:24.180 copy. Piers has reported all of that. Well, in any event, Piers appears in the Earl's, Earl Carlos's

00:05:32.740 book and not a very flattering way. And here's I'll let Pierce tell you earlier this week,

00:05:40.400 laying out what he says is absolutely false in this brand new, newly minted book. Watch.

00:05:49.340 Because I can exclusively reveal on Uncensored that Earl Spencer's book contains fabricated

00:05:55.260 inaccuracies, which will strike to the heart of his credibility. Spencer recounts how he

00:06:01.020 personally called round the tabloid newspaper editors to uninvite them from Princess Diana's

00:06:06.340 funeral after they had all been invited. The only one who sounded surly as opposed to merely

00:06:11.540 confused or embarrassed was Piers Morgan of the Mirror, who snarled with annoyance before he hung

00:06:17.720 up. Well, Spencer then explained why I may have been surly with him. I assumed Morgan must be

00:06:24.820 feeling particular guilt, he writes, because four years earlier, he and his Sunday Mirror counterpart

00:06:30.440 had published photographs taken with hidden cameras by a gym owner they were of diana working

00:06:36.560 out in a leotard this was such an intolerable invasion of her privacy that diana instructed

00:06:42.540 lawyers to sue the mirror group well this is all pretty extraordinary stuff isn't it very damning

00:06:47.280 particularly about me i come across in the most despicable manner imaginable there's just one

00:06:53.940 problem. It's all bullshit. And very, very easy bullshit for me to prove it. The photographs 1.00

00:07:01.420 which he says that I published were printed by the Sunday Mirror on November the 7th, 1993.

00:07:09.440 I joined the Daily Mirror in October 1995. If R. Spencer can be so incredibly defamatorily wrong

00:07:19.640 about such basic facts involving me,

00:07:24.140 well, why should we believe anything else

00:07:26.020 that he puts in this book?

00:07:28.140 Very good question.

00:07:30.080 Piers then threatened legal action.

00:07:31.860 He's hired a very well-known defamation law firm in the UK

00:07:35.980 where the defamation laws are much stricter

00:07:38.360 than they are here in America.

00:07:40.580 And Earl Spencer, through a spokesperson,

00:07:45.680 first put out a written statement

00:07:47.240 and then went on a show called Lorraine this morning,

00:07:52.400 or involving someone named Lorraine, I don't know, the UK morning TV.

00:07:55.880 And I'll play you his soundbite in a second, but his written statement read as follows.

00:08:00.000 Earl Spencer's account of his conversation with Piers Morgan is accurate.

00:08:06.160 Mr. Morgan was surly and annoyed when Earl Spencer called personally to tell him

00:08:10.740 that he was not welcome at his sister's funeral.

00:08:13.240 The book then records Earl Spencer's assumption that Mr. Morgan's response was because he was editor of the Daily Mirror when the Mirror Group had published highly intrusive photographs of Princess Diana at the gym.

00:08:26.880 The photographs were published by the Sunday Mirror on 7 November 1993.

00:08:32.820 Mr. Morgan has pointed out that he did not join the Daily Mirror until October of 1995, two years later.

00:08:42.420 As an historian, accuracy is important to Earl Spencer.

00:08:46.800 He therefore wishes to clarify that his assumption was incorrect.

00:08:51.380 Earl Spencer apologizes to Mr. Morgan for this error.

00:08:55.440 OK, so then Earl Spencer, Carlos, goes on morning television today in the UK.

00:09:04.400 And here's what he said.

00:09:06.040 The allegations from Piers Morgan, he's going to pursue legal action because there were some inaccuracies.

00:09:12.860 And there was one.

00:09:13.900 We've apologized for it and it's going to be changed.

00:09:16.400 Absolutely.

00:09:17.420 I mean, unlike some journalists who we know of, I'm very happy to acknowledge I made a small error.

00:09:24.740 and I've apologized and it will be put right in the in the second edition. But that's it.

00:09:30.360 What he said is, though, if you get that wrong, what, you know, it's giving people an opportunity

00:09:34.500 to have another go at you to say, well, if you got that wrong, what about other inaccuracies

00:09:38.200 in the book? What would you say to them? Well, I stand by the book.

00:09:43.640 OK, but this is a deep, deep problem for him, because as Piers has pointed out,

00:09:50.060 he is writing about an alleged exchange that happened the same week as his alleged exchange

00:09:56.340 with then Prince Charles. And obviously he is way off base on his facts. I mean, that is,

00:10:04.580 let me just explain to you what a massive fall down this is. There, not only do you as the author

00:10:11.160 check your dates and your facts when you write a book, I've written one, but I happen to be

00:10:16.020 married to somebody who writes a lot of them. And the fact-checking is extensive if, you know,

00:10:21.760 my husband actually is a historian and checks all of his own facts and is very meticulous about it.

00:10:28.740 It's not to say you can never make a mistake, but the fact-checking is meticulous. And then

00:10:33.400 the publishing house checks all of the, the fact-checking is a massive pain in the ass 0.98

00:10:38.980 piece of writing a book. And the notion that something as basic as this was wrong does

00:10:48.060 undermine the entire credibility of this book. He was off by two years. And when Piers was at

00:10:56.500 the Daily Mirror, like that's literally just a Google search. That is the easiest fact check

00:11:01.920 you could possibly do. There was utter apathy in checking the facts on this book. That's what

00:11:07.960 this tells me. And obviously the Earl has a bone to pick with Piers. He doesn't like him. That's

00:11:14.500 very clear because he says this was his assumption that the reason he was surly, which Piers denies,

00:11:21.040 but the Earl is trying to tell us he was surly because he had basically blood on his hands.

00:11:27.360 He's trying to tell you in this book that the paparazzi killed Diana and that Piers was basically

00:11:33.380 one of them, because he was running a tabloid that had paparazzi-like figures out there taking

00:11:39.180 pictures of Diana, except Pierce didn't even join the publication until two years after the

00:11:43.940 allegedly offensive pictures and story about Diana at the gym. So even that is defamatory.

00:11:52.400 That suggesting that Pierce was running the show there and had made those editorial decisions

00:11:58.440 is defamatory. And then to say that when you disinvited him, because I guess some lord over

00:12:06.380 there who oversaw the media had invited all of the heads of these British tabloids to Princess

00:12:13.120 Diana's funeral, not because, I mean, it does sound weird to those of us because we would never,

00:12:18.200 like, God forbid, there was a, you know, a death of somebody, you know, who was the head of state or

00:12:23.660 the wife, et cetera, we would never be calling like the national inquirer and inviting them to

00:12:29.500 the funeral. But over there, and you got to understand this, the term tabloid is,

00:12:34.220 it's not as lowbrow as they are over here. Like tabloid over here, you understand you're probably

00:12:40.320 going to see an alien on the front of one, you know, like, and learn about how it's having a

00:12:45.340 baby possibly with Jennifer Aniston. Okay. That's, that's how we understand tabloid over there.

00:12:49.820 it's a little bit more elevated. I'd say it's more like a Us Weekly type publication, although

00:12:55.760 even more credible than that. So anyway, my point is simply, they did get invited over there because

00:13:01.780 the practice over there, I guess, is whenever there's a prominent death involving the royal

00:13:06.820 family or head of state, they do invite the heads of these media organizations. Pierce was explaining

00:13:11.540 this, um, this week. Anyway, so this Lord had invited peers and others, but then Carlos,

00:13:19.660 Diana's brother was mad because he blamed her death on the paparazzi and he wanted them all

00:13:25.060 disinvited and apparently took great pleasure in calling around to them saying, you're not coming.

00:13:29.780 And he included peers on that list. He called peers and he, he told him you're not invited.

00:13:36.480 And you heard Pierce describing his reaction there, that he wasn't, and Pierce explained that he actually, when he received the invitation, said, oh, I don't, you know, are you sure they want that?

00:13:48.440 Like, are you sure Earl Spencer wants that?

00:13:51.920 And the Lord said, yes, it's fine, the Lord.

00:13:55.080 And so when Earl Spencer called him to say, I actually don't want you to come, Pierce says he wasn't surprised at all.

00:14:02.540 And in fact, given the circumstances, he was extremely respectful and had nothing but, you know, kindness for Earl Spencer in that moment because he understood what a massive loss he was suffering. 0.99

00:14:14.640 So now, Mr. Swagger, Carlos Danger, the new Carlos Danger, in this book is all about how basically I told him to fuck off. 0.98

00:14:25.580 I called Pierce. I disinvited him. He was surly. I managed to piss him off because he was disgusting and he knew what he had done. 0.99

00:14:33.600 And none of it is true. Pierce says absolutely not one word of it is true.

00:14:39.240 the Earl is holding on to, well, you are surly. I mean, this is not good.

00:14:45.940 So Piers, after receiving this like sad little apology that I read to you, is not satisfied.

00:14:54.860 He wrote on X, quote, Earl Spencer has apologized to me for his defamatory lies published in his

00:14:59.860 new book, Swan Song, but I am pursuing legal action against him and his publisher Penguin

00:15:05.240 to have the lies removed and damages paid to the king's trust.

00:15:10.660 In a follow-up ex-post, Piers writing quote,

00:15:12.940 Earl Spencer's account of our phone call is also deeply misleading.

00:15:16.880 I was neither surly nor annoyed, but instead very respectful to him and his family

00:15:20.700 as I wrote in my diaries, The Insider.

00:15:22.540 That was a best-selling book he wrote back in 2006.

00:15:25.240 It would seem that Spencer's recollection of phone calls is very suspect.

00:15:29.440 And now we get news today that the book, it's been on the shelves for 48 hours.

00:15:37.020 The book, not even, 24, entitled Swan Song, Diana, My Sister, will now be edited and reprinted without the stories about Piers Morgan in them.

00:15:49.640 Or at least this one.

00:15:51.460 This is no way, no way to kick off your book launch.

00:15:59.440 So Pierce is, you know, upset and had predicted that they would have to pull the books off the shelves here in Stott 2.

00:16:06.960 Listen, listen here.

00:16:07.900 This is him on TV's Chris Shipp, September 22nd.

00:16:11.180 In his apology to me today, in which he admits that he got it completely wrong, in my view, it's defamatorily wrong.

00:16:18.220 And we'll be taking legal action against him and his publishers to have this removed from the book and therefore probably have the book removed because he's admitted that it's completely inaccurate.

00:16:27.680 And that's exactly what's happening. Now, I don't think they're removing the edition one books that are on the shelves right now, but they're going to print an edition two without this story. But that, you know, Pierce is out for blood. I mean, he's like, that doesn't clear up the defamatory books that are all over the world right now.

00:16:50.500 you know, millions of people presumably are going to read these stories about me,

00:16:55.160 which are obviously inaccurate. So this guy's been, you know, humiliated before the book even

00:17:03.520 really gets going. And here's Pierce saying a little bit more about that business, about whether

00:17:08.340 he was surly. He happens to have a contemporaneous record of that phone call. Pierce does. He kept

00:17:17.100 diaries especially that week can you imagine what that was he knew diana as i said

00:17:21.820 and he turned those diaries into a book so here he is explaining that piece of it top three

00:17:27.160 he says i was surly and annoyed in this conversation which is the week when he claims

00:17:33.260 of course to have had the conversation with then prince charles which was so incendiary about him

00:17:38.440 being giddy like a lottery winner so what i mean you're not you weren't surly on that phone call

00:17:42.000 he's down today it's an absolute lie to say that i was certainly i could not have been more

00:17:47.520 respectful in fact it's not just a case of you having to take my word for it go back and read

00:17:52.760 my own best-selling volume of diaries the insider and check the diary entry about this phone call

00:17:59.600 and you will see how respectful i was to him and to his family and asking him to pass on my specific

00:18:06.160 condolences to his mother who i spoke to on a regular basis as i did his sister princess diana

00:18:11.500 So he's lied about the tone of our conversation and he knows he has. And that, to me, begs the question, well, if he's got that so egregiously wrong, then is he to be believed about his recollection of the tone of the conversations he had with then Prince Charles? I would argue he's not.

00:18:29.560 well we can also report to you here from the megan kelly show that we have spoken with a source

00:18:36.140 who knows earl spencer and this source has informed us that earl spencer has been long known

00:18:44.500 to have a faulty memory when it comes to retelling the stories that he loves to tell that each one

00:18:51.740 retold will have new fabulous details something gets enhanced something gets left out

00:18:59.080 But the same story that should ring the same way with the same basic facts over the years, in fact, changes depending on the audience that he's in front of, the amount of time that's gone by, his mood, et cetera.

00:19:13.640 And, you know, if that's—and look, there's—obviously everybody tells a story a little differently each time you tell it.

00:19:20.020 But to actually change basic facts about it is a different thing entirely.

00:19:23.380 And when you're talking about potentially defamatory statements, things that would embarrass someone or make them look bad, and then also you vary so much in the telling that you're no longer being truthful, which is what both the king and Piers Morgan are alleging happened here, now you're in some trouble.

00:19:43.560 Now you are in potential legal trouble.

00:19:45.440 Now there's no way King Charles is going to sue Earl Spencer over this book.

00:19:50.220 We all know that.

00:19:51.140 that would only cause more, call more attention to it. But all the reporting we've seen since this

00:19:56.160 book was leaked, you know, the alleged theft of the books, um, shows that Earl Spencer cannot 0.81

00:20:03.760 stand King Charles, cannot stand him, hates his guts. And by the way, my source tells me that is

00:20:09.380 the case, that he's hated Charles from the beginning. Um, he can't stand him for a whole

00:20:15.880 host of reasons. So you got to factor that in to his reporting about the king. And now what we see

00:20:23.620 in these British papers is dueling narratives. You know, the one side is saying that King Charles,

00:20:29.080 yes, he was divorced from Diana as Maureen and I were discussing on Friday. So is it possible when

00:20:34.060 he found out that, and it was an ugly divorce and it was very public. And, you know, is it possible

00:20:39.220 when he found out that she had passed, there was a piece of him that felt relieved in the way like

00:20:44.380 nobody really wants to share custody of their children. Well, maybe not nobody, but a lot of

00:20:49.200 people. And this is a problem sort of that was solved for him. That's possible. But there's a

00:20:54.820 lot of reporting out there that it's actually not true, that King Charles was devastated to hear

00:20:59.800 that she had died. He didn't want that. And that most especially he was devastated that he was

00:21:05.580 going to have to tell those boys their mother was dead and that he decided to wait until they woke

00:21:11.380 up, that they were asleep and he didn't see any reason to wake them up in the middle of

00:21:16.220 the night and break this news to them, and that he personally sat on their bedside and

00:21:22.540 gave them the news, which is, you know, much to his credit.

00:21:26.480 I'm sure a less thoughtful monarch or would-be monarch could have delegated that to somebody.

00:21:32.740 And if I'm honest, it seems like Queen Elizabeth was so distant as a mother, it's the kind

00:21:37.760 of thing she might have delegated.

00:21:39.720 I know, like, everybody loves how she was on the throne.

00:21:42.740 I'm just going to say, like, really glad that wasn't my mom. 1.00

00:21:45.340 All the stories about her mothering make her, I mean, it seems like you could freeze ice on her ass. 0.99

00:21:51.600 It's not exactly the warmest, most loving environment to be raised in. 0.99

00:21:55.900 But it really genuinely seems like Prince Charles did better with his boys.

00:22:01.200 By the way, I also have it on good authority that Earl Spencer has been telling that story about Prince Charles, again, then prince, now king, allegedly having some sort of an affair with the valet, you know, his, like, personal butler, or possibly being gay for a long time, too.

00:22:21.120 So he doesn't like Charles.

00:22:23.000 Charles and Carlos don't get along.

00:22:24.880 And for some reason now, Carlos has decided to write a tell-all.

00:22:28.900 Is it because he needs money?

00:22:30.100 Is it because Althorpe, that massive estate that belongs to the Spencer family, is a lot to keep up?

00:22:36.920 I mean, who didn't watch Downton Abbey, right?

00:22:39.580 Lord Grantham, you know, he needed to have Cora's inheritance because otherwise he couldn't maintain the estate.

00:22:46.380 That's why they couldn't separate the estate from the entail.

00:22:50.500 Her estate, her inheritance.

00:22:53.520 Anyway, yeah, these manors cost a ton of money to maintain.

00:22:57.520 So there is a possibility the guy needs the dough.

00:22:59.340 maybe he saw the success of Harry's book, Spare, and decided it might be an opportunity for him.

00:23:06.600 Don't know, but this is not good. So as I mentioned, the king put out a statement,

00:23:12.740 gentle, a little long for my preference. It was basically a longer version of

00:23:17.860 Recollections May Vary, but they were pinning it on Earl Spencer's grief at the loss of Diana that

00:23:22.760 has clouded his judgment. So Spencer came out and responded to that with the BBC,

00:23:27.740 and this is what he said sat for you know that buckingham palace has already said with a degree

00:23:39.420 of fury that that didn't happen i just haven't actually laura they've sort of smudged that one

00:23:48.000 haven't they they've said that recollections may vary the king is plainly furious buckingham palace

00:23:55.200 almost never issues any kind of statement well is he furious or is he embarrassed because i can tell

00:24:00.320 you here and now those are exactly the words he said did you write it down did you keep a diary

00:24:07.760 do you have evidence that that is what he said at the time because to be fair this was a time of

00:24:13.600 massive shock and emotion for for both of you i told friends and family straight away close

00:24:21.220 friends and family about what had been said because it was so monstrous.

00:24:24.920 Which childs are the public meant to believe? Are they to believe you? Or are they to believe

00:24:30.960 the king, the head of state of this country, who's giving the impression

00:24:35.560 very forcefully that this didn't happen? Who are we to believe?

00:24:41.580 Well, I'm telling the truth.

00:24:44.260 I'm into that girl's accent and her manner. She's interesting to me.

00:24:50.400 I like it.

00:24:51.620 But I can back up.

00:24:54.380 Again, a source in a position to know has told me that he has been telling that story for years about Charles,

00:25:01.700 allegedly saying she'll be forgotten soon enough about Diana.

00:25:06.380 I mean, am I the only one who doesn't find that monstrous?

00:25:10.860 I'm like, you know, maybe he did think that.

00:25:13.640 I'm sure he was hoping that he was divorced.

00:25:15.360 Have you ever gotten a divorce?

00:25:16.260 like a, well, I had a friendly divorce with my first husband, so I don't feel like that. But

00:25:20.600 I know a lot of people who have been through very ugly divorces and they're not sitting around

00:25:25.000 wishing, you know, sweet nothings to their ex, especially when there are kids of kids involved.

00:25:31.320 And like she was all over the press ripping him to shreds. So is it so hard to think that,

00:25:39.380 you know, then Prince Charles thought that Diana would be forgotten? I don't know. Even so,

00:25:44.460 what we see with this guy is he's emotional. Like, he's obviously quite emotional. And

00:25:50.520 that can cloud judgment, as Charles said. It can. And you'd have to think, like, is Charles

00:25:57.360 dumb enough? Was it like, okay, yes, he was getting an acrimonious divorce. But you'd have 0.99

00:26:02.860 to be kind of dumb to think that Diana would be forgotten, especially that week. Do you remember? 0.95

00:26:07.760 I mean, I remember where I was when I found out that Princess Diana had died. It was August of

00:26:12.480 1997. I had been out and I could not believe my ears. When I got home, I'd been out with a bunch

00:26:18.940 of lawyers having drinks and we were at a club in Chicago. And I had gotten home in the middle

00:26:25.320 of the night. All the TV stations were tuned in to Buckingham Palace and the flower bouquets were

00:26:33.800 starting to stack up. No one could believe it. I mean, she was literally the most famous woman

00:26:39.900 on earth. One of the most famous people, really. I mean, there were very few men who were more

00:26:46.480 famous than Princess Diana and beloved too, because the public had taken her side. They

00:26:51.180 knew that Charles had been cheating on her with Camilla and she did a very good job of working

00:26:56.820 the press. And she seemed more like a woman of the people. She had been stripped of her HRH,

00:27:02.320 you know, her Royal Highness title when they got a divorce. People didn't like that. That's when

00:27:06.260 they started calling her the people's princess. And she seemed like a good mom. She worked that

00:27:11.580 media like nobody's business. And her ex-husband, Charles, did not. He wasn't very good with it.

00:27:16.560 So the people were on her side. And it does seem unlikely that he would have been so dense.

00:27:23.640 He would have thought that her premature death at age 36 would have tamped down interest in her. 0.91

00:27:29.840 So I don't know what the truth is, but I do find it all quite interesting because the royal family is in a very precarious spot right now, thanks to those two losers from Montecito.

00:27:42.580 They've really damaged the royal family.

00:27:45.300 Their only real hope is Wills and Kate.

00:27:48.480 By the way, wait until I get to what they did last night.

00:27:51.460 Stunning, stunning developments with them.

00:27:54.000 But these two have done their level best to bring down the monarchy because they couldn't have what they wanted, the half in, half out approach, and they basically got kicked out.

00:28:04.140 Like, you can't do that.

00:28:06.200 You know, it's like either you work here or you don't.

00:28:10.440 You know, it's like you're in or you're out.

00:28:13.120 Pick a lane.

00:28:14.620 And they didn't want that.

00:28:17.180 They didn't want to do the tedious work of ribbon cutting, civic center stuff, that boring charitable work.

00:28:22.700 They only wanted to be seen with celebrities at galas, and they were pissed because, let's face it, Harry has never worked a day in his life.

00:28:30.540 He went to the military.

00:28:31.580 For that, I give him credit.

00:28:32.760 Outside of that, he's never worked a day in his life, and Meghan Markle is the suits girl, okay? 0.53

00:28:38.620 She's the deal or no deal girl.

00:28:40.600 I'm sure that was very fun and a good assignment, but this is not exactly like hard labor.

00:28:46.640 So they didn't want to do it, and you heard that famous line that she was reportedly quoted as saying.

00:28:52.700 I can't believe I'm not getting paid for this.

00:28:55.440 When she was standing out there being celebrated by thousands, she's annoyed.

00:29:02.020 So, okay, they, I do believe, have threatened the monarchy.

00:29:07.320 They've now moved back to the UK and are trying to cause trouble yet again by showing it up at all these events.

00:29:15.540 People don't know whether they're supposed to be treated like royals or not.

00:29:18.240 The king said not.

00:29:19.820 They're private citizens.

00:29:20.660 Then they objected, saying we want to be called public figures, not private citizens.

00:29:24.040 You heard that.

00:29:25.040 And now, can I tell you something?

00:29:26.700 Now there is a report in the Daily Mail by Alison Boshoff, who's an excellent reporter,

00:29:34.840 and she's got solid, solid sources on the Royals, who reports as follows.

00:29:39.660 I am told by well-placed sources the extraordinary news that a return to Montecito, California,

00:29:46.460 for good, has not been ruled out by these two.

00:29:49.300 I can't. What? They just got there. Actually, she writes, it could come within weeks.

00:29:59.720 It's unreal. Indeed, it is apparently, quote, likely that the family will quit the UK again

00:30:08.520 if Harry doesn't get the improved taxpayer funded security, which he has been demanding for years.

00:30:16.500 This is incredible stuff. Those close to the Duke say that the Royal and VIP Executive Committee,

00:30:24.460 it's called RAVEC for short, that its decision on security for him, his wife Megan, and their

00:30:30.240 children is expected within days. According to the Duke's friend, quote, if he does not get security,

00:30:38.200 then I believe he will go back to Montecito for good. And that could be as soon as half term.

00:30:44.880 I don't know what that means. I don't speak British. But soon, she's reporting very soon, could come within weeks. They knew, they knew that they were not going to get this security. They'd already been denied. And all the reports that he wanted us to believe endangered him, all the terrorist stuff, whatever, they said that the threat is greatest in the UK.

00:31:09.680 So knowing he'd been denied and that his alleged threats, which I don't believe, were in the UK, he moved back there anyway with his wife and his children.

00:31:16.560 And he was so, so worried about security.

00:31:18.720 He didn't bother checking out the school route that he was going to have to take his kids on every morning or speak to some local parents, call a local mom, go to the coffee shop or the playground or the UK equivalent of the town pool and ask some of the moms how long the morning commute is.

00:31:38.280 because apparently it's not just famous, it's infamously bad.

00:31:44.060 And they did no due diligence.

00:31:47.380 By the way, if they had just let the security take the kids

00:31:50.400 and like kept it on the down low without making such a big deal out of it,

00:31:54.800 they probably would have been fine.

00:31:55.900 Nobody would have known they even lived there.

00:31:57.300 But his wife was posting all the Easter eggs of their location.

00:32:00.300 People figured out exactly where it was.

00:32:02.040 Then they figured out the school.

00:32:03.180 and then those two were horrified

00:32:06.260 that their car got separated from their securities

00:32:08.680 in the morning traffic.

00:32:10.760 Okay, and by the way,

00:32:12.180 you can put a guard in your car with you.

00:32:14.920 It's done all the time, trust me.

00:32:16.520 And you can also get a bulletproof car.

00:32:18.780 That's another thing you can do,

00:32:20.100 even as a layperson,

00:32:21.380 which, you know, you want us to know you're not.

00:32:24.100 So sure you could pay to upgrade the windows on your car.

00:32:29.220 But he didn't.

00:32:30.260 he wants you, the British taxpayer, to pay for it, or he's going to leave in a huff, which

00:32:36.140 really no one cares. On the business about, I mean, we care because we don't want to inherit

00:32:40.820 them again. We did our time. They're the UK's problems now. But on the subject of them coming

00:32:47.840 back to the United States, Steve tells me half term means end of October. Harry's already back

00:32:54.620 in New York City. Like they literally just moved. They've been there, I think, less than 30 days.

00:32:59.400 and he's already back here stateside.

00:33:03.320 He appeared for an event at the Clinton Global Initiative

00:33:08.520 and gave a speech about AI being very, very dangerous

00:33:13.600 and we all have to be very, very scared.

00:33:16.980 I mean, the thing is like, we, as you know,

00:33:19.700 I've had segments on the show asking whether that is true.

00:33:22.320 And I think any open mind should probe, is that true?

00:33:25.960 These are extraordinary claims that are being made

00:33:27.640 by people on the inside of the industry.

00:33:29.400 let's discuss them.

00:33:31.360 There is a certain safetyist set

00:33:33.740 that goes right to,

00:33:35.340 ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,

00:33:37.900 like an 11.

00:33:40.060 Actual fear.

00:33:41.680 They love it.

00:33:42.300 They like, they enjoy to be fearful,

00:33:44.200 being fearful.

00:33:44.820 They enjoy having a disorder,

00:33:46.860 you know, those people.

00:33:48.080 And of course he's among them.

00:33:49.900 So they ask him to give a speech.

00:33:51.720 Well, here's what's interesting.

00:33:52.660 Not, not of course the speech,

00:33:54.460 but watch this.

00:33:55.640 His teleprompter failed.

00:33:57.120 It did not go well.

00:33:58.920 Social media learned how to capture our attention.

00:34:02.680 AI is learning how to enter our relationships.

00:34:07.800 It doesn't just want your attention.

00:34:10.320 It wants your attachment.

00:34:12.940 It wants to be the thing you confide in.

00:34:15.640 The thing that remembers you.

00:34:18.380 The thing that tells you it understands you.

00:34:20.840 The ultimate sycophant.

00:34:23.400 Now the damage was already done to a generation of children and parents.

00:34:26.380 we do not have years

00:34:28.420 for what comes next

00:34:30.080 and that's it

00:34:45.100 how humiliating

00:34:46.740 I mean honestly

00:34:49.040 you're a prince of England

00:34:50.440 and you can't ad-lib

00:34:52.140 like a paragraph worth of

00:34:54.240 summary, summation, and goodbye. I'm embarrassed for you. Genuinely embarrassed for you. Like

00:35:01.500 he went to Eaton, right? Didn't he go to Oxford or Cambridge? Like, come on.

00:35:07.600 You can't ad lib a paragraph, summation, and goodbye. Get it together. He hasn't been having

00:35:15.260 a good week. He recently went into a school and, you know, tried to be like completely charming

00:35:23.920 and interact with the children and look at me, I'm so relatable.

00:35:27.760 You know, just like my mother was the people's princess, now I'm the people's prince.

00:35:31.620 Well, the children didn't seem to much appreciate that he was there with, of course, just like

00:35:37.140 his wife.

00:35:37.560 God forbid they ever do one of these things without being flanked by TV cameras because 1.00

00:35:41.540 it's all about showing you what a good person they are.

00:35:46.080 Listen to how the student reacted in SOT 12.

00:35:53.920 He was faint, but what you could hear is the students saying,

00:36:03.780 there are six cameras in my face.

00:36:06.200 And the overall reaction of the children on that visit seemed to be like,

00:36:10.080 what is he doing here?

00:36:11.320 That was in the U.K. before he came back and had his teleprompter meltdown.

00:36:14.560 Now, his wife, neither one of these people seems to have real friends.

00:36:20.120 You know, we showed you when Harry went to that NBA game.

00:36:23.140 Who did he show up with? Adam Silver, the commissioner? Like, what 40-year-old man

00:36:28.700 wants to go to a basketball game with, like, Adam Silver is, like, an elderly guy? Like,

00:36:34.720 not elderly, but he's an older man. Why would you go with your buds? Like, doesn't he have

00:36:40.400 any friends at all? Any? Doesn't she? I mean, I think we know the answer to this. So what happened

00:36:47.280 over there in the UK is she made sure, made sure that she was caught on camera with the one

00:36:56.560 celebrity friend she appears to have over in England. And it is the person who is arguably

00:37:04.620 as nasty as she is, Ellen DeGeneres. I mean, the, the absolute irony of picking to show everybody

00:37:13.480 like, I have friends. I'm a girl's girl. One of the nastiest people in showbiz. It's just perfect.

00:37:21.800 It's on point. So, oh, oh, surprise. They just happen to be caught on camera while she's out

00:37:28.660 with Ellen DeGeneres, neither of whom treats their staff well. Ellen DeGeneres won't let her staff 1.00

00:37:35.640 look her in the eye. That's why she got canceled, for being a bully. It finally came out. We all 1.00

00:37:40.960 knew. Those of us who are in the TV industry knew she was a nasty bitch. For years, we just kept 1.00

00:37:45.560 our mouths shut. But we understood all that dancing is fake. She's a bitch. And it was just

00:37:52.220 a matter of time before it came out, which it did. And then her show got canceled. So now she fled to 0.85

00:37:57.280 the UK. She hates President Trump. Really, it's because everyone hates her. She's been outed.

00:38:02.760 Nobody wants to hire her anymore. Once you're outed as that much of a nasty person, they don't 0.58

00:38:07.040 want anything to do with you. And by the way, like they'll know if eventually it does come out,

00:38:13.120 you know, I will tell you this, um, somebody, gee, I don't know who it could have been,

00:38:19.280 had a very nasty article planted about me allegedly being this kind of a boss when I was at NBC.

00:38:24.780 And let's just say not getting along with the management there. And, um, I laughed when that

00:38:31.420 report got planted because I knew, I knew such a thing could never be sustained. I knew I treat my

00:38:38.020 employees well. I'm tough for sure. I have exacting standards and everybody knows that,

00:38:41.980 but my staff loves me. That's why they've all been with me for 10, 15, 20 years.

00:38:47.660 I knew it wouldn't stick. When you are actually this way, it will stick.

00:38:53.060 That's why Ellen had to flee to the UK. That's why Meghan Markle probably had to flee, 0.59

00:38:57.640 that and many other reasons, but no one wants to work for her. How many publicists have she 1.00

00:39:01.920 and Harry been through? So I'm, I wonder what they talk about. The little people they can't

00:39:06.520 fucking stand, how glad they are to be away from their stupid staffs who never understood them. 1.00

00:39:14.060 I don't know, but here's what's so great about it. She is over there trying to show us that she's 1.00

00:39:20.140 an A-lister because she's with an A-lister. I don't think we can call Ellen DeGeneres an A-list 1.00

00:39:26.660 celebrity at all. I think she is C-list at best. And that's what she's doing this week. Guess what 1.00

00:39:36.620 Wills and Kate were doing last night. They were with Tom Cruise and David Beckham at the opening

00:39:46.380 of Tom Cruise's latest movie, Digger. Kate looked resplendent. It's not a word you say every day,

00:39:55.940 But she looked resplendent in this stunning gown, which was a little low cut for the princess that she doesn't normally wear that low cut.

00:40:06.080 But she had on one of the crown jewels.

00:40:09.560 It looks like the heart of the ocean. 0.99

00:40:11.720 Ladies, does it not look like the heart of the ocean?

00:40:13.900 It's in the shape of a heart.

00:40:16.820 It's as big as the heart of the ocean from Titanic.

00:40:20.540 It's a different color stone, but it's stunning.

00:40:23.780 It's got to be an amethyst.

00:40:25.940 and she is glowing. She looks amazing. Tom Cruise is looking up to these two. He's, you know,

00:40:34.580 it's, it's tough, I'm sure to impress Tom Cruise, but, uh, they must have done it because they both

00:40:40.200 look stunning. They're with actual A-list celebrities. And these two losers are worrying

00:40:47.400 about failed teleprompters, the fears against the end of the world and trying to make ourselves 0.99

00:40:53.900 look important by hanging out with fellow bullies. How low can you go? Now, at the same time,

00:41:02.660 Harry is reportedly telling his friends he's going to leave unless he gets this taxpayer-funded

00:41:08.720 security. His uncle, Earl Spencer, is still pushing the lies about Diana having been killed

00:41:16.040 by the paparazzi. Diana was killed by her driver who was drunk. But in any event, he's got some

00:41:23.220 advice for Harry and Meghan in Stop 5. Do you think Diana would identify with

00:41:29.980 the attention, the focus that has been put on them, and with Meghan, who said she felt like

00:41:35.840 she was the most trolled person in the world? If you look at an article in a tabloid about

00:41:41.160 Diana or the couple that you're mentioning, Harry and Meghan,

00:41:47.440 you know, they can be really, really unpleasant. And I think it would be really beholden on

00:41:53.100 people to learn from Diana's example. I'm not here to speak for Harry and Meghan, but for anyone

00:41:58.300 who's being destroyed in this way daily, it must be such a cancerous influence in their life.

00:42:06.400 You've got to be kidding me. She wants nothing more than to be covered in every newspaper and 0.99

00:42:14.280 tabloid magazine here and in the UK. She just wants to dictate what's actually in the print 1.00

00:42:20.980 copy. That's it. No, it's not devastating. It's not hard. It's not torture. And your sister didn't

00:42:27.620 think that either. They love it. She loves it. She absolutely needs it to feel relevant and like

00:42:34.320 she matters. That's why she too has been trying to get herself and her coverage out there since

00:42:40.640 she connected with the Duke and before the Duke of Sussex. That's Harry. So that's pathetic. And

00:42:46.900 I don't think Earl Spencer understands what's happening with that nephew at all, or he does

00:42:51.820 and he's being willfully obtuse. All right, I have to move on. There is an update today

00:42:56.740 in connection with the death of Presley Gerber. TMZ is reporting that a doctor was prescribing

00:43:04.460 him ketamine, which is a very serious drug, despite his known history, they write, of problems

00:43:12.740 with ketamine, according to people close to him.

00:43:16.520 His friends reportedly believe

00:43:17.920 the doctor should face consequences.

00:43:20.880 I mean, this is pretty remarkable.

00:43:24.160 They report sources with direct knowledge

00:43:25.900 say a doctor continued giving Gerber ketamine

00:43:28.920 even though he had a documented history of issues with it.

00:43:32.760 While ketamine is sometimes used off-label

00:43:35.680 in addiction treatment,

00:43:36.680 that is not its primary FDA-approved purpose.

00:43:40.080 It's still unknown what drugs might have been

00:43:42.120 in Presley's system when he died,

00:43:43.600 just that he opened up about the issues with ketamine

00:43:46.440 to close friends before he passed away.

00:43:49.260 Sources who had contact with Presley

00:43:51.100 in his final few hours told TMZ

00:43:53.160 he looked like he was under the influence

00:43:55.740 at the rehab center.

00:43:57.100 The source of the alleged drugs is still being investigated

00:44:00.520 and police have interviewed other rehab patients.

00:44:05.080 So that confirms that there is a police investigation

00:44:07.820 underway now into the death of Presley Gerber,

00:44:11.320 who gave him the drugs, what doctor was giving him ketamine. We saw that in connection with the

00:44:19.180 Matthew Perry death. TMZ is also reporting that the situation has drawn comparisons to Matthew

00:44:24.400 Perry's 2023 death in which prescribed ketamine played a role. The doctor in that case who

00:44:33.240 prescribed that drug was charged and found guilty and punished. And so this absolutely is on the

00:44:42.460 table. There could be a criminal charge in connection with Presley Gerber's death if they

00:44:47.800 find this ketamine played a role and that this doctor was inappropriately prescribing this drug

00:44:54.440 to somebody who had had an addiction to it or addictive problems around it. We know he was an

00:45:02.480 addict. And he said opioids were his thing. He also had a DUI and had a problem with alcohol,

00:45:08.940 though in that update he did from the sauna in November, 2025, he said he hadn't had a drink

00:45:13.880 since his birthday, which was July 2nd. So I don't know that alcoholic is the case, but generally

00:45:20.160 with a drug addict, you can't do either. Same for an alcoholic, like you can't do intoxicating

00:45:25.160 substances. So what doctor was giving him, like prescribing him ketamine? And by the way, like

00:45:34.000 ketamine in my understanding is one of those drugs you do like one time under the care of

00:45:39.680 a psychiatrist who will give it to you. You'll have kind of a trip that's supposed to be life

00:45:44.000 changing. Psilocybin is another one. And then you're supposed to kind of go on your merry way.

00:45:49.540 I don't think this is something you're supposed to be doing regularly, especially if you're,

00:45:53.500 if you've got substance abuse issues with this drug, as TMZ is reporting. They say his known

00:46:00.760 history of problems with the substance, according to people close to him. So this is just terrible.

00:46:07.400 There's a report in People Magazine. I mean, it doesn't really feel like news, but Cindy Crawford

00:46:13.480 is, quote, heartbroken and completely in shock over the death of her son. I completely believe

00:46:19.680 that, who wouldn't be. They described Cindy and her husband, Randy, Presley's parents, as saddened

00:46:27.280 beyond words. Kaya loved that Presley was so open about his struggles. His family was so proud that

00:46:32.440 he was finding strength and helping others. I believe that too. Then a source said this was

00:46:37.380 never a situation involving two absent Hollywood parents. Cindy and Randy could not have been more

00:46:43.100 supportive of Presley. Okay. I believe that. They seem like a close family. Like there's tons of

00:46:50.740 pictures on the social media of them at this lake house that they used to go to. And she's on record

00:46:56.160 with Vogue magazine. That was like kind of their go-to getaway. Their home in Malibu, which is on

00:47:03.260 the ocean, was stunning. And you could see some of his videos were from there. Kaya Gerber said

00:47:09.140 that Cindy was the glue that helped the family together. She pointed out because they had Sunday

00:47:14.120 night dinners together, pizza. I mean, I'm not sure what the story is there, but ideally we'd

00:47:22.020 be talking about more than just one night a week, but that could have been a reference to once the

00:47:26.180 kids became older, in which case it would be a total win. When my kids are 25 and 27, though

00:47:32.640 this is a few years ago, so let's call it 22 and 24, I'd be thrilled if they're still coming over

00:47:37.200 once a week for dinner. So I don't know what the context was. But I don't think most people,

00:47:41.900 and certainly not I, have criticized the parents as not being loving. I think they are loving,

00:47:47.260 at least it seems. It's the fact that he was living a good life that was seemingly making

00:47:52.720 him happy, according to his own statements, and then at age 14 was thrust into the modeling world

00:47:58.920 and his parents allowed him at age 14 and then full bore at 15 to walk the runways

00:48:06.840 all around the world and to become a full-time model. According to him, that he was traveling

00:48:14.880 nonstop and he was all over the world as the face of major brands. And he was no longer surfing and

00:48:21.980 he was no longer doing water polo and he was no longer doing the things that made him happy.

00:48:25.340 And that is what he said. I'm not gleaning anything. This is what came from his mouth.

00:48:29.720 and I'm sure nobody's having more recriminations over that than Cindy Crawford and Randy Gerber.

00:48:38.420 It's incredibly sad. My only hope is that they'll speak about it when they can.

00:48:43.440 Okay, before we turn the page, we've got to talk about Sunny Hostin. She's decided to out 0.95

00:48:50.360 herself as having been the holdout juror in a case involving a cannibal. She, like the

00:48:58.960 holdout juror in Clancy wanted, she was the one holdout, but she wanted not guilty by reason of

00:49:06.520 insanity. And she turned it, she got it. She got that verdict. She turned all the 11 jurors

00:49:11.520 so that this cannibal could go to a mental institution in New York. She's just outing 0.99

00:49:16.520 this about herself for the first time. Look at this. I thought absolutely that she was not

00:49:22.940 criminally responsible by reason of insanity. And the reason I felt that I feel so strongly

00:49:29.160 about this holdout juror is because I was a holdout juror in a case in the Daniel Rakowitz case. I

00:49:34.080 don't know if people remember it. The butcher of Tompkins Square Park. It was in the guy who ate

00:49:38.240 the victims. Yes. He was on that jury at the Hot Topics meeting. I don't think everyone believed

00:49:44.700 me. And then my producer looked it up and I'm in the New York Times. And apparently several jurors

00:49:49.920 questioned afterwards said one holdout juror was principally responsible preventing them from

00:49:56.840 returning a guilty verdict that was me and it was because i saw clearly that he was psychotic

00:50:03.700 of course he was in a psychosis he did not mean to kill her and once he killed her he panicked

00:50:10.980 he he chopped up her body parts yes boiled her body parts tried to commit the perfect crime and

00:50:16.700 And you got this guy off?

00:50:18.560 No, no, no.

00:50:20.600 But he fed, that's how much I believe in the insanity defense. 0.80

00:50:24.340 And he fed her body parts to the unhoused.

00:50:27.260 Excuse me, can I move over?

00:50:28.560 Yes, yes.

00:50:28.940 I don't need to be around.

00:50:30.680 But all that being said, it was so clear to me in the jury room.

00:50:34.780 And we were sequestered for nine days.

00:50:36.340 One juror threw a chair at me.

00:50:38.020 They were so angry with me.

00:50:39.620 But one by one, I picked them off and said, what about this?

00:50:42.360 What about that?

00:50:42.860 And we ended up, all 12, unanimously voting that he was not criminally responsible

00:50:48.720 by reason of insanity.

00:50:52.600 But he is still in a mental institution being treated.

00:50:58.140 OMG.

00:50:59.600 And you're proud of this?

00:51:01.420 You got this cannibal who fed body parts to homeless people into a nicer next 50 years

00:51:08.880 and you feel really good about that?

00:51:10.260 I don't. Jeffrey Dahmer did not get a not guilty by reason of insanity. Jeffrey Dahmer had to go

00:51:16.500 into a jail and serve time. Didn't end well for him there. How are we proud of this? She believed

00:51:22.620 he was in psychosis. Even the guy didn't want to argue that he was in psychosis, the defendant in

00:51:28.440 that case. But she decided he belonged in a mental institution. Well, good for you. Yet another

00:51:34.000 terrible thing Sonny Hostin has done for society. OK, enough about her. There's there's a lot more

00:51:40.240 to get to. And we're going to do that when first-time guest of the MK show, Chaz Palminteri

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00:53:55.120 I'm so happy to be joined by a first time guest

00:53:57.540 on this show who I am a huge

00:53:59.720 fan of. Chaz Palminteri

00:54:01.660 is an actor writer director with a fascinating life story we're going to get into all of it

00:54:06.880 chas welcome to the show it's good to be here man it's wonderful to have you okay there's so

00:54:12.240 much i want to go over sure so you actually were raised in the bronx so the a bronx tale is

00:54:17.300 absolutely genius this is your movie and play but there's a reason you were able to write it so well

00:54:22.720 you lived it i lived it yeah well my real name is collodio lorenzo palmitari i grew up in the

00:54:28.440 bronx you know sicilian i was also saying 100 as my father would say you're 100 sicilian always

00:54:34.200 tell people that i go all right dad i'll tell people that you know uh yeah i was born and

00:54:39.520 raised there and really making a starter from when i was nine years old i was sitting on a stoop and

00:54:44.040 the you know i'm just in this guy i saw these two cars trying to fight over a parking space and

00:54:50.980 one guy got out with a baseball bat and smashed the window and the other guy and then his friend

00:54:55.860 came over to help the guy who got hit with the bat

00:54:58.100 and killed the guy with the bat, you know.

00:55:00.720 Right in front of me, from here to the end of the table.

00:55:03.620 And I kind of looked at him, and he looked at me,

00:55:05.440 and next minute I knew my father dragged me up the steps.

00:55:09.320 Cops came, because people kept saying,

00:55:11.680 the little boy was on the stoop, he saw it.

00:55:14.800 And I didn't rat.

00:55:16.560 I just said, no, I didn't see anything.

00:55:18.600 How did you know not to rat, even at that tender age?

00:55:20.900 Even at that age, yeah.

00:55:21.560 You knew.

00:55:22.160 It was a code.

00:55:23.280 It was a code.

00:55:24.760 Yeah.

00:55:25.040 You say you grew up in a tough neighborhood, but a great neighborhood.

00:55:28.000 Great neighborhood.

00:55:28.980 Oh, I wouldn't trade my childhood for nothing.

00:55:31.580 What was it that was great?

00:55:32.760 Why did you love a tough neighborhood?

00:55:35.260 It was a tough neighborhood because there was a, you see,

00:55:38.620 people always accuse these Italian neighborhoods of being racist.

00:55:43.480 And were there racist guys there?

00:55:45.220 Yes.

00:55:45.560 Were there racist parents there?

00:55:46.900 Yes.

00:55:47.840 But basically, a lot of the people there, this is all we had.

00:55:52.260 It was our neighborhood.

00:55:54.800 It was our turf, and we didn't want anybody, like, coming in it for whatever reason.

00:56:01.380 It was like some of it was racist, but some of it was more, hey, this is ours.

00:56:05.760 We want to keep it this way, you know, and I was never racist.

00:56:09.840 My dad, he was a bus driver, but he was also a professional fight trainer.

00:56:14.520 He trained fighters, and a bunch of his fighters were black at the time,

00:56:19.040 and this is in the 60s.

00:56:20.820 And my father would have black fighters come to my house, my apartment.

00:56:26.780 And the neighbors would say, Lorenzo, what are you doing?

00:56:29.580 What are these guys at?

00:56:30.840 And he said, no, they're good guys.

00:56:32.200 I trained them.

00:56:33.140 So I grew up really not being prejudiced at all, where some of my friends were and I wasn't.

00:56:40.700 And I was just, I was an artist.

00:56:43.080 I was this guy who was trapped.

00:56:44.600 I was this like, for a better word, I was this street tough guy.

00:56:48.420 But I was trapped in this artist's body where I wrote poetry.

00:56:53.360 I wrote, you know, I wanted to be an actor.

00:56:57.060 I wanted to be a writer.

00:56:58.720 So I was like, you know, different than a lot of my friends.

00:57:02.320 It was a romantic streak to you.

00:57:04.500 Yes.

00:57:05.380 So you grew up in this neighborhood and the mob is there.

00:57:08.460 Yes.

00:57:09.020 And this character, Sonny, that's become so famous in the Bronx Tale that everybody falls in love with.

00:57:14.600 he's a mobster with a heart with like an ethical code right which is something about the mafia that

00:57:19.900 is has been portrayed in other movies this ethical code that they follow right you know as strange

00:57:24.520 as it may seem yes but like these tough guys with hearts are they're icons of american film for a

00:57:30.240 reason people like seeing that yes and sunny would become in fact this mobster who was involved in

00:57:37.760 that murder that you just talked about exactly a mentor to you in real life yes see the thing that

00:57:42.720 made a bronze tale so you know a classic and so many people talk about it and write about it is

00:57:48.860 because sonny and my father told me the same thing they were just different people if you

00:57:56.880 think it's not black against evil good against it's it's it's gray against gray my father

00:58:02.900 was saying you got to stay in school make you know the saddest thing in life is wasted talent

00:58:07.820 that was my dad don't waste your talent don't waste your talent and sonny's going hey get

00:58:12.560 out of this neighborhood do something with your life if you stay here you hang out with those guys

00:58:16.860 you're going to get hurt so he said the same thing but what makes the story so unique is my father

00:58:23.380 my father said it doesn't matter what sonny says by hanging around them you will be drawn to that

00:58:32.780 life or you will get hurt just being in their vicinity and i couldn't understand that the

00:58:40.100 mobsters it's like sunny didn't want you to hang around with your derelict friends right and your

00:58:43.720 dad didn't want you to hang around with sunny exactly and his derelict colleagues yes oh he

00:58:48.100 just said you will get in the in a jackpot they called it by being with those people and you know

00:58:55.980 it's true sometimes look by just being there and if you remember the biker fight this is the

00:59:02.560 greatest scene known to man right we actually have it queued up because it's my husband's

00:59:06.420 and my favorite scene.

00:59:07.740 Most people say that.

00:59:08.320 It's the greatest, and people have tried to imitate it.

00:59:10.440 I know.

00:59:11.080 Did you see they imitated it on Yellowstone?

00:59:13.440 I see that a lot.

00:59:14.240 The Yellowstone, you know, Dutton Ranch, whatever.

00:59:17.000 Yeah.

00:59:17.320 They've been cribbing off of your work.

00:59:18.980 Oh, but that's okay.

00:59:19.560 It's cribbable.

00:59:20.240 I take that as a compliment.

00:59:21.720 The same.

00:59:22.320 Yeah, I would too.

00:59:23.360 No, because I could have got hurt there.

00:59:25.420 I could have got hurt when there was another thing that happened

00:59:28.700 where somebody shot at the windows in the club,

00:59:31.800 and I was in there.

00:59:32.520 I could have died.

00:59:33.860 So my father was correct about all of this.

00:59:36.820 It doesn't matter.

00:59:39.140 He says, sometimes you can't see what,

00:59:44.620 and he used this famous line was,

00:59:45.920 when you get older, you'll understand.

00:59:47.860 When I was young, I didn't understand that sometimes evil,

00:59:52.660 I don't want to say the word evil,

00:59:53.540 but it's not so recognizable that you have to get older to understand.

00:59:58.540 Well, wait a minute.

00:59:59.580 Gee, I could have got hurt.

01:00:01.140 And now that I'm old, I go, wow. 1.00

01:00:02.660 Your dad used to say the saddest thing in life is wasted talent, and my mom used to say, she's also Italian, stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about. 1.00

01:00:10.080 Right. 1.00

01:00:10.360 And my father said that, too.

01:00:12.160 Not as inspirational, though, Jess.

01:00:13.960 No, my father said that, and my mother said that.

01:00:16.960 We were from Calitri, which is by Naples, on my mom's side of the family.

01:00:19.580 Which is by Naples, yeah.

01:00:20.780 My wife is from right near Naples, a town called Santa Sania.

01:00:25.920 We have a house there now, and it's beautiful.

01:00:28.140 Oh, sounds awesome.

01:00:29.040 Well, okay, so back to your, because I want to get into a Bronx tale too, but just I want to set that foundation for you before we get there.

01:00:36.240 So you're a kid in the Bronx with a romantic streak.

01:00:38.520 You're into like your English lit class and you're writing poetry.

01:00:42.440 My best subject.

01:00:43.160 And you're not thinking that you're very smart because you would later realize that you were dyslexic.

01:00:47.300 Very dyslexic.

01:00:48.520 Until that one teacher saw something in you.

01:00:51.360 Yes.

01:00:52.040 So who was that and what did that do for you?

01:00:54.340 That was my English lit class when I was in college.

01:01:00.280 A Bronx Community College?

01:01:01.940 We're not at Harvard.

01:01:03.380 Oh, we're not at Harvard at all.

01:01:05.020 I mean, no, I didn't, because my grades in high school were like just passing.

01:01:12.680 It was hard for me.

01:01:14.800 I couldn't understand why.

01:01:16.600 I thought I could speak to people intellectually, but it was hard for me to do work.

01:01:21.460 And I never realized it until, like, my son got diagnosed with dyslexic.

01:01:25.860 Then I went, whoa, hold on, wait a minute.

01:01:28.560 I said, could you tell me that again?

01:01:29.920 I said, that was me. 0.54

01:01:31.020 And she goes, you're dyslexic.

01:01:33.400 And when she tested, I said, you're dyslexic, she said.

01:01:35.680 OMG. 1.00

01:01:36.360 And I was like, because back then they called you dumb. 0.99

01:01:40.600 They weren't doing this testing. 0.99

01:01:41.980 No, they thought I was dumb, you know.

01:01:43.980 But there was something about the English lit class, and I'll never forget it.

01:01:48.020 It was a short, I get the chills every time I think of it.

01:01:52.080 It was a short story written by D.H. Lawrence called The Rocking Horse.

01:01:57.480 And I read it, and then they said, we want you to do a paper on the whole thing.

01:02:02.480 And I just read it, and I just, I was able to see the metaphors in the whole thing.

01:02:09.000 And then I wrote it out.

01:02:10.940 And then he said, he got up and he said, Mr. Palminteri, I want to read it.

01:02:16.460 And I read it, and he said, that was the best metaphor.

01:02:19.580 And I'm like, I am a little smart.

01:02:23.840 Yeah, maybe I'm not dumb.

01:02:25.180 Maybe I'm not dumb. 0.79

01:02:26.660 And while you had been going through this upbringing

01:02:30.100 and the neighborhood and Sonny and your dad, the bus driver and all that,

01:02:33.800 your mom, who was very loving, and your parents loved each other,

01:02:38.700 which is important, was taking you to the movies.

01:02:42.220 Yes.

01:02:42.780 My mom used to take me to the movies when I was very young.

01:02:44.860 I remember seeing Around the World in 80 Days, and I remember the colors, the technicolor.

01:02:51.640 And then I would constantly go to movies.

01:02:54.760 And I used to watch the wise guys on the street, and I would imitate them.

01:02:59.080 I was a very good mimic.

01:03:00.560 I could imitate the wise guys.

01:03:02.460 And that was, I wanted to be an actor, you know?

01:03:05.260 I wanted to write.

01:03:05.860 When did you first have that thought?

01:03:08.160 Probably about 10, 11.

01:03:09.660 Oh, wow.

01:03:10.340 Okay.

01:03:10.760 10, 11.

01:03:11.200 Was that an acceptable thing to say in the Bronx?

01:03:14.860 And, you know, you just said, like, I want to be an actor.

01:03:18.380 You know, guys would say that.

01:03:20.180 But I really wanted to be an actor, and I wanted to write.

01:03:23.520 And I wrote poetry in high school, and I found some of them recently.

01:03:28.040 And some of them were not bad.

01:03:29.700 Some were not good.

01:03:31.280 But, you know, but I always had this, like, I could always see beyond.

01:03:39.480 I always felt like I was looking through a lens and watching people.

01:03:44.420 Is it hard to memorize lines if you have dyslexia?

01:03:49.720 I had to work very hard at it.

01:03:51.860 Yeah.

01:03:52.140 And the way I worked at it was I would say the line in tape recorder.

01:03:58.260 I would say that person's line in a tape recorder,

01:04:01.140 then leave a space, then read my line.

01:04:05.500 Say that person's line in a cassette player when I have it.

01:04:08.380 Wow.

01:04:09.060 And then wait, and then say my.

01:04:10.520 So then I would learn lines by hitting the tape recorder,

01:04:13.020 and then the person would say their line.

01:04:15.300 So I would memorize it auto.

01:04:17.640 It would say the line to me and then I say my line

01:04:20.240 and then I wait till the actual line came out

01:04:22.500 if I had it right or correct.

01:04:23.900 Oh, gosh.

01:04:24.280 And I still learn it that way.

01:04:25.760 Really?

01:04:26.180 Yes.

01:04:27.080 So you majored in drama in college.

01:04:29.720 Okay, so you definitely did want to be an actor

01:04:31.400 and now you're realizing I may have a talent

01:04:34.720 in writing and storytelling.

01:04:37.000 Yes.

01:04:38.000 And then you graduate and it's like,

01:04:40.480 it's not that dissimilar from when I decided

01:04:42.560 i wanted to break into news where you're like but i have no connections it's a competitive industry

01:04:47.200 yes i don't know anybody right how am i and so you decided maybe to pay the bills i'm a tall guy

01:04:55.200 from the bronx i'm not a fight oh yeah i'm gonna be about my father taught me how to box you know

01:05:00.100 okay so you decided to and that actually that was fine it paid the bills for a while yeah but it was

01:05:05.640 your utter failure at that job that eventually gave us the bronx tale that's correct i mean i

01:05:11.280 went to Hollywood. I was an actor, you know.

01:05:13.560 I got on Broadway as an understudy,

01:05:16.580 which is a funny story.

01:05:18.020 I got on Broadway as an understudy

01:05:19.680 and

01:05:20.020 I mean, I was a good... I mean, I

01:05:23.380 remember... I got into Lee Strasberg.

01:05:25.820 Yeah, that's huge. I studied with Lee Strasberg.

01:05:27.580 That's like... Himself, him.

01:05:29.380 Wow. Marilyn Monroe.

01:05:31.260 Not right away. Dustin Hoffman.

01:05:33.720 Yeah, I was old. I'm younger than...

01:05:35.380 Yeah, yeah. No, I know. But I got... But Dustin Hoffman

01:05:37.440 used to be a janitor there. Yes. A lot of people

01:05:39.460 got in by doing whatever they could just to get noticed by him but i studied with mitch nester and

01:05:44.820 ernie ernie cova uh ernie uh kavix and then i got to study with lee as a young but i was good you

01:05:52.980 know i was just good i knew it talented i knew it i had that i just knew it i have my father my son

01:05:58.900 always goes dad you know you got it easy on the ego dad you know i go it's not an ego i'm just

01:06:03.620 telling you how i feel yes when you when you're in your zone of genius you know it you know it

01:06:08.620 you know if i'm in my wrong way and i'll say it i'm going yeah this is not really me yeah it was

01:06:13.680 like those cooking segments they made me do on nbc right not the zone of genius oh you know when i

01:06:18.480 but when i saw you when i was going come on megan yeah be back to where you were megan you were not

01:06:23.940 alone i was like megan come on you like fox megan i said all right you made a lot of money stop

01:06:29.740 doing this now go back to fox megan we wound up going a different route yeah anyway but uh so i

01:06:38.020 with lee strasberg yeah so anyway to make the actor studio and also and then i got a then i got

01:06:44.260 another study part which is really and i'll tell you a quick story which i think it's amusing your

01:06:48.700 fans might like it so i finally get my break somewhat break i'm an understudy on broadway

01:06:55.520 understudying this big the lead guy you know and i go wow this is great you know so and my all when

01:07:03.720 And the wise guys, when I go back to the neighborhood and the wise guys here,

01:07:07.800 I'm going to be on Broadway, they say to me, Chaz, we want to come and see you.

01:07:13.140 And these are the guys that took over after Sonny passed on in his crew.

01:07:17.840 Oh, man, Sonny would have been proud, but we want to come and see you.

01:07:21.300 I go, great.

01:07:22.640 When can we come?

01:07:23.800 I said, well, you can't really come now.

01:07:28.720 They said, why?

01:07:29.780 I said, well, because I'm an understudy.

01:07:31.660 They said, what's another story?

01:07:33.720 They don't know.

01:07:34.200 They don't know these guys, right?

01:07:35.860 The hoodlums, what do they know?

01:07:37.120 I go, well, if something happens to the guy, then I go on,

01:07:41.060 not realizing what I just said.

01:07:44.300 You know?

01:07:45.240 And I kind of walked away and saw some of my other friends.

01:07:49.200 And then one of the guys walks over to me, the one guy who took over.

01:07:53.560 And he goes, hey, Chaz, could I talk?

01:07:55.000 I went, yeah.

01:07:55.540 What's up?

01:07:56.680 He goes, you want to go on?

01:07:59.580 Oh, God.

01:08:00.040 So I said, I didn't know what he meant.

01:08:01.840 I said, excuse me.

01:08:03.000 He goes, you know, you want to go on?

01:08:05.480 And then I realized what he's saying to me.

01:08:07.560 I said, no, no.

01:08:08.700 No, not that badly.

01:08:09.560 No, you can't do that.

01:08:11.300 No, don't ever do that.

01:08:13.500 He goes, don't worry.

01:08:14.520 We'll make it look like a mugging nobody will know.

01:08:17.480 He'll be in the hospital two, three weeks.

01:08:19.100 Don't worry about it.

01:08:19.940 I said, I'm begging you, please don't do this, please.

01:08:24.360 And I talked him out of it.

01:08:26.040 But that night when I went to see the show,

01:08:27.940 because as an understudy, you have to watch the show.

01:08:30.780 And this guy treated me terrible to start.

01:08:33.620 He treated me really bad.

01:08:35.060 He was always very dismissive of me.

01:08:37.720 Would I know the name?

01:08:39.160 Yeah.

01:08:39.980 You don't have to tell me, but would I know it?

01:08:41.800 Is it a household name?

01:08:42.760 No, it's not a household name, but he's an actor.

01:08:45.080 He's known.

01:08:46.180 And I looked at him and I said,

01:08:48.140 man, you don't know how lucky you are.

01:08:49.740 Right, you should be thanking me right now.

01:08:51.540 You should be thanking me.

01:08:52.800 But anyway, I always felt that,

01:08:55.980 but my big break came.

01:08:57.940 I went to L.A.

01:08:59.080 I got a part right away on Hill Street Blues.

01:09:02.820 I was doing that for like four episodes, then on Madlock, then on Dallas.

01:09:08.800 And then, you know, you do all the guest star shows.

01:09:11.040 You run out of a guest star show.

01:09:12.900 And then about a year after that, I went through the money that I made from that.

01:09:16.880 And then I said, well, I got to go back to running doors again.

01:09:21.500 So I went to as a doorman.

01:09:23.580 And I was really good at being a doorman because I was personable.

01:09:27.600 And the Bronx accent, it's good.

01:09:29.220 The Bronx accent, but I was, I could talk my way out of there.

01:09:32.240 You know, I was always like, hey, man, just take it easy.

01:09:34.540 Let's realize.

01:09:35.240 Why, come on, stop.

01:09:36.620 What are you going to fight over this?

01:09:37.920 Yeah.

01:09:38.540 And people always liked me without the bosses.

01:09:40.760 But then one night this guy walks over and just gets in my face right where the rope is and goes, hey, hey, I'm late.

01:09:51.040 Just open the rope and let me in. 0.88

01:09:53.820 I said, screw me, take it easy.

01:09:55.500 Are you on the list? 0.97

01:09:56.300 and he looks at me and says, do you know who I am?

01:10:00.340 Obviously not.

01:10:01.500 And when people ever say that, when somebody ever goes,

01:10:04.740 do you know who I am?

01:10:05.620 That's awful.

01:10:06.380 I mean, I can curse, right?

01:10:07.720 Yes, you can. 1.00

01:10:08.480 I can say, they're an asshole. 1.00

01:10:10.440 When you say that to me, do you know who I am? 1.00

01:10:14.120 So I looked at him, I said, yeah, I know who you are.

01:10:16.820 You're the guy that's not getting in tonight.

01:10:18.520 So he got really mad at that.

01:10:20.700 And he said, you'll be fired in 10 minutes.

01:10:23.280 So I said, really?

01:10:24.880 Yeah, right.

01:10:25.540 Everybody says that.

01:10:27.220 But 10 minutes later, the boss called me in.

01:10:31.240 And he said, do you know who that was that you just didn't let him?

01:10:34.140 He goes, this is his party tonight.

01:10:36.200 I go, it's his party?

01:10:37.520 He goes, yeah.

01:10:38.440 I go, who is it?

01:10:39.620 He goes, that was Swifty Lazar.

01:10:41.200 Oh, gosh.

01:10:42.020 He goes, Swifty Lazar is the biggest agent in the world, Chaz,

01:10:45.660 is a way of Mars, who I'm with now.

01:10:48.920 So I go, wow, I didn't know who it was.

01:10:53.280 He goes, look.

01:10:53.800 He goes, he throws these big parties there.

01:10:55.940 He wants you out.

01:10:58.020 I said, hey, you know what, Fernando?

01:10:59.440 You've always been good to me.

01:11:01.240 It was like the Godfather when De Niro gets fired.

01:11:04.560 I shook his hand.

01:11:06.320 I said, you know what?

01:11:07.040 You've always been good to me.

01:11:07.880 You helped me out a lot the past four months.

01:11:10.180 Don't worry about it.

01:11:11.220 And I left.

01:11:12.560 I went home.

01:11:14.880 I sat in my, I went home.

01:11:16.780 I got in my 1972, this is 40 years ago, 40-something.

01:11:19.960 I got in my 1972 Honda Civic.

01:11:24.680 It used to have a leak in it, and the water used to overheat a lot.

01:11:27.700 And I got home, and I sat down.

01:11:30.320 I had this kind of dumpy apartment in West Hollywood.

01:11:35.680 And I just said, what the hell am I going to do?

01:11:37.680 And on the refrigerator was the saddest thing in life is wasted talent.

01:11:43.960 I had one of those magnets to hold it caught up.

01:11:46.500 And I looked at that.

01:11:47.240 I said, you know, if they won't give me a great part, I'll write one myself.

01:11:52.320 I got back in the car.

01:11:53.520 I went to Drifty Drugstore.

01:11:54.700 I got five tabs of legal paper.

01:11:57.420 And I said, what am I going to write?

01:11:59.260 I said, I'm going to write about Sonny, the killing.

01:12:02.940 I said, I'm going to write a one-man show.

01:12:05.480 I'm going to play all the parts.

01:12:07.100 I'm going to show people how great I am.

01:12:09.960 So I started writing.

01:12:11.560 And each week I would perform it at the studio where I was studying.

01:12:15.680 and I'll do 10 minutes, 15 minutes, throw out five minutes,

01:12:19.980 add five more, edit this, put it that.

01:12:22.340 And at the end of 10 months, I had 90 minutes of this one-man show.

01:12:27.080 I borrowed money off my friend, a legitimate guy

01:12:31.560 who owned the limelight where I used to work in Manhattan.

01:12:35.660 And he lent me money.

01:12:37.220 I found a young producer.

01:12:39.160 I put the money into the thing.

01:12:41.040 All I had was a chair as a set.

01:12:43.960 and I did the show

01:12:46.060 and I got a five-minute standing ovation

01:12:49.640 and I was like,

01:12:51.100 holy smokes,

01:12:52.140 what the hell is this?

01:12:53.500 I knew it was good.

01:12:54.200 I'd be on to something.

01:12:55.280 Right.

01:12:55.980 And then I performed it.

01:12:58.280 I got more money

01:12:59.380 and I performed it at a theater

01:13:00.660 for five weeks

01:13:01.580 and the reviews came out,

01:13:03.580 the time,

01:13:04.340 the LA Times.

01:13:06.360 It was like,

01:13:07.240 it was like these,

01:13:08.760 what they wrote about me

01:13:09.720 was like insane.

01:13:11.860 You know,

01:13:12.080 I'm embarrassed what they said.

01:13:13.960 We have never seen this.

01:13:16.540 And all the people were coming.

01:13:19.720 Every Hollywood producer, director, writer, filmmaker, studio head,

01:13:27.740 Pacino came, Nicholson came, Burt Reynolds came, Redford came.

01:13:31.280 They all wanted to play Sonny.

01:13:33.120 Oh.

01:13:33.720 You see?

01:13:34.180 That's why they came.

01:13:35.260 Okay.

01:13:35.740 And the studios came because they wanted the piece so they could use one of them.

01:13:40.380 and so after like two weeks they offered me 250,000 and that was the first that was the

01:13:47.000 hardest offer the 250,000 yeah because because Megan that came out of nowhere and that's a

01:13:51.560 fortune it was a fortune I had $200 in the bank left oh so 250,000 I was like I said well give

01:13:59.280 me a they said you got 24 hours otherwise this this won't be here I said okay I hung up I called

01:14:05.780 my mother and father. I said, Mom, Dad, I want to help

01:14:07.940 you, but

01:14:08.280 they want to just

01:14:11.740 take it. They don't want me in it. And my

01:14:13.720 mother and father said, Son, you do what you want.

01:14:15.820 Don't worry about us. I said,

01:14:18.000 Thanks, Mom. And I hung up.

01:14:19.660 And I called them back and I said,

01:14:21.660 No, I have to play Sonny. I have to write it.

01:14:24.800 They said, Forget it. They hung up.

01:14:26.780 So I went back

01:14:27.840 and did the show. Crowds.

01:14:29.780 Lines around the corner, Megan. Finally,

01:14:32.560 two weeks later, they called back.

01:14:34.700 500,000.

01:14:35.700 Oh, gosh.

01:14:37.520 Now I don't care.

01:14:38.820 Really?

01:14:39.280 Now it's numbers.

01:14:40.100 That was easy.

01:14:40.900 The 250 was the hardest.

01:14:42.180 Oh, the 500 sounds hard too, though.

01:14:44.620 No, no, the 250 was the hardest.

01:14:46.120 This is in L.A.?

01:14:47.060 L.A.

01:14:47.740 Okay.

01:14:48.640 I said, no.

01:14:49.880 I played, no.

01:14:51.220 I said, no, right?

01:14:53.420 Finally, I signed up.

01:14:55.440 William Morris is attacking me.

01:14:58.200 They want me here.

01:14:59.560 ICM, Ovech.

01:15:02.320 Yeah, yeah, Michael Ovech.

01:15:03.400 Michael Ovech at the time, he wanted to meet him.

01:15:05.240 Everybody wants me.

01:15:06.340 I'll tell you how bad they wanted me, Megan.

01:15:09.640 I'm not talking to them.

01:15:10.760 No, this is great.

01:15:11.600 I'm fascinated.

01:15:12.120 I'll tell you how bad they wanted me.

01:15:13.720 The three agencies were after me.

01:15:15.540 They wanted me, right?

01:15:17.280 Finally, I was deciding I would visit each one of them.

01:15:19.900 Finally, the one in William Morris said, oh, you got an appointment or two.

01:15:23.240 I said, well, I can't be there.

01:15:24.420 Why can't you be there or two?

01:15:25.960 I said, well, because I have my car.

01:15:29.800 It's overheating.

01:15:30.560 I said, I have to wait until it went down because my car overheated.

01:15:35.780 We'll get right back to you.

01:15:37.220 Hangs up the phone.

01:15:38.060 I said, what the hell was that about?

01:15:40.380 45 minutes later, knock on the door.

01:15:43.780 I open up the door.

01:15:44.740 There's this little guy there in a brown uniform.

01:15:47.180 He goes, you're transparmentary?

01:15:48.360 I go, yeah.

01:15:49.420 He goes, come with me.

01:15:50.700 I walk down.

01:15:51.880 I go in the parking lot with all these broken down cars.

01:15:55.180 I'm with all these actors.

01:15:56.580 And in the middle of the parking lot, it's a 1989 Cadillac Eldorado.

01:16:04.240 Black saddle interior.

01:16:06.380 He says, here, William Morris got this for you.

01:16:09.040 Don't be late.

01:16:09.720 What?

01:16:10.820 I thought you were going to say he was your driver.

01:16:13.040 He gave me the keys.

01:16:15.300 He said, William Morris said, this is for you.

01:16:17.600 Don't be late for the meeting.

01:16:21.280 That's incredible.

01:16:22.700 I call up Lee Cohen and Fred Westheim.

01:16:26.600 I go, what's going on?

01:16:28.840 They said, no, no, we just don't want you to be late.

01:16:30.620 We leased it for you for two years.

01:16:32.780 I said, I know, but I didn't decide.

01:16:35.800 They said, that's okay.

01:16:37.860 You go home, whatever you want.

01:16:39.080 But you went with them.

01:16:39.960 I went with them.

01:16:40.460 Yeah, good call.

01:16:42.880 Well, so then, eventually they upped the offer.

01:16:45.620 Then I got with them.

01:16:46.960 And then they said, we have another offer.

01:16:48.640 Come with us.

01:16:49.500 And I went to this big meeting with this very famous,

01:16:53.800 I guess I could say it now.

01:16:55.340 It was Rob Reiner.

01:16:56.440 Oh, yeah.

01:16:56.800 It was Castle Rock.

01:16:57.760 God rest his soul, because I love him.

01:16:59.340 Yeah, God rest him.

01:17:00.440 Great, great, great director.

01:17:04.060 And Alan Horn, who's a great guy, great, great organization.

01:17:09.500 Anyway, they offered me a million dollars.

01:17:12.560 They said, if you sign this paper, I don't know.

01:17:15.220 But once again, not starring you and you don't get to write it.

01:17:18.140 Well, I said, first thing I said, was there a men's room here?

01:17:22.180 And he said, yes, want to write over there?

01:17:23.760 I said, all right, I'll be right out.

01:17:25.700 I went into the executive men's room.

01:17:27.220 I looked in the mirror, and I flushed my hands, put my hands on my face,

01:17:32.420 and I put my hand in my pocket, and I took out my father's card.

01:17:36.100 For some reason, I took it.

01:17:37.680 I don't know why. 1.00

01:17:38.840 And I looked at that, and I went, fuck it. 1.00

01:17:43.200 I put my hand back in my pocket. 1.00

01:17:44.660 I went out.

01:17:45.060 I said, look.

01:17:46.300 I said, I'll sign that paper, but I play Sonny.

01:17:49.400 I write this screenplay.

01:17:50.920 They said, can't do it, Jazz.

01:17:55.040 Why?

01:17:56.360 Well, he was, I mean, I could understand what they said.

01:17:59.040 He was very honored.

01:18:00.300 They couldn't make a big movie.

01:18:02.700 Like at that time, it was a $25, $30 million movie with me as the star.

01:18:06.800 Yeah, that's, I mean, Sonny is the star of the movie.

01:18:09.380 Yeah, so I do understand what they were saying.

01:18:11.780 They wanted a Redford or Pacino.

01:18:14.240 Pacino, Nicholson, they all wanted to do it.

01:18:16.520 So it makes more sense.

01:18:18.480 I said, well, but I own it.

01:18:20.880 I wrote it.

01:18:21.780 No.

01:18:22.700 So I'm walking out, and he said to me, he goes, what makes you?

01:18:24.880 He goes, you know, this movie will never get done, Chaz.

01:18:29.100 I said, you're right, it won't with you, but it'll get done.

01:18:33.020 And he said, why?

01:18:34.180 I said, because it's too damn good.

01:18:36.580 And I left, and two weeks later, I did the show, and I got off,

01:18:42.520 and somebody said, Robert De Niro's in your dressing room.

01:18:45.600 I said, Robert De Niro's in my dressing room?

01:18:47.240 They said, yeah.

01:18:48.920 I walked downstairs, I walked in the dressing room,

01:18:51.120 and Bob was sitting there, and he said,

01:18:52.660 He said, wow.

01:18:54.980 He said, that's a great show.

01:18:56.080 He loved the show.

01:18:57.300 And he was very smart.

01:18:58.340 He goes, if you sell it, they're going to come to me anyway.

01:19:01.080 You know that, right?

01:19:01.760 Yeah, right.

01:19:02.320 So I said, yeah, I know, but I'm not selling it, Bob.

01:19:05.360 He said, I know.

01:19:07.460 He said, but I'll tell you what we'll do.

01:19:09.420 He said, you should play Sonny.

01:19:10.760 You'll be great as Sonny.

01:19:12.060 And you should write it because it'll be honest and truthful.

01:19:16.560 He goes, I'll play your father and I'll direct it.

01:19:19.900 And if you shake my hands, that's the way it'll be.

01:19:22.500 I shook his hand, and that's how the movie got made.

01:19:25.260 That's incredible.

01:19:27.100 That's the whole story.

01:19:29.340 The film is thought by some to be a mob movie.

01:19:34.120 Yes, it's not.

01:19:35.040 But it's not a mob movie.

01:19:35.980 It's a family movie.

01:19:36.900 It's a family movie and a coming-of-age story.

01:19:39.540 And it's about, I think, mentorship and good men

01:19:45.420 and how they influence younger men to be.

01:19:48.440 Right.

01:19:49.320 And Sonny was a good man with a very complicated dark streak.

01:19:53.980 He was a paradox.

01:19:54.580 Yeah, he wasn't all good, but he wasn't all bad.

01:19:57.880 I mean, I'm not saying that Sonny was this...

01:20:00.840 Saint.

01:20:01.500 Saint.

01:20:02.060 Yeah.

01:20:03.160 Sonny killed people.

01:20:04.640 He did. 1.00

01:20:06.380 And maybe he ordered to kill people. 0.82

01:20:09.000 I don't know that for a fact. 0.78

01:20:10.540 I can't say.

01:20:12.360 But his crew was some of the baddest people you've ever seen.

01:20:17.540 But Sonny was a human being.

01:20:20.380 He was funny, funny as hell.

01:20:23.820 And he had a heart.

01:20:26.200 Now, people have asked me in interviews that I've done years later, Megan,

01:20:30.040 and they said, why do you think Sonny did that with you?

01:20:33.560 And I don't know.

01:20:35.600 That he took you under his wing.

01:20:37.020 Yes.

01:20:37.300 And he protected you.

01:20:38.280 He didn't take you under to make you a mobster.

01:20:40.460 No.

01:20:41.160 He wanted the opposite for you.

01:20:42.820 In fact, he told other people, you stay away from this kid.

01:20:45.120 Yeah.

01:20:45.400 This kid's a good kid.

01:20:46.500 He used to say, he's a good kid, leave him alone.

01:20:48.820 Just don't bother him, he's a good kid.

01:20:50.800 I think, and maybe it's me romanticizing again my mind,

01:20:56.300 that he looked at me like I was his penance in life.

01:20:59.660 Like, if I'm ever going to do anything good in this world,

01:21:03.400 I'm going to save this kid and make him something.

01:21:06.120 From this neighborhood, from these other kids.

01:21:07.660 Yes, because as great as that neighborhood was,

01:21:10.260 it was a great neighborhood.

01:21:11.140 And many people came out of that neighborhood,

01:21:14.200 some of my closest friends,

01:21:15.340 became, you know, big lawyers and doctors and everything.

01:21:21.960 But some, a lot, didn't.

01:21:24.800 Ended up the street, got to them.

01:21:27.100 You know, so, but he said, no, no, I'm going to.

01:21:30.140 And some of my friends were bad guys.

01:21:32.100 Some of them were great guys.

01:21:33.380 But at any moment, you could be one of the bad guys

01:21:36.200 and be stuck in a jackpot.

01:21:37.840 Like, I didn't mean to be here, you know?

01:21:41.000 So the scene we referenced earlier

01:21:43.760 is many people's favorite scene, as you point out,

01:21:46.800 and it's unforgettable.

01:21:48.720 It involves Sonny, played by Chaz.

01:21:51.080 Right.

01:21:51.860 And there's the young kid in it, Collogero,

01:21:56.300 who goes by C, that's your name.

01:21:58.780 But he's in the scene as well,

01:22:01.100 and he's watching how Sonny handles this gang of bikers

01:22:05.560 who come in, and I'll just let the scene play out.

01:22:09.140 Let's watch it.

01:22:10.240 Toast, to our host.

01:22:12.820 In the name of the father and the son of the head, let's go. 1.00

01:22:18.360 Look at all this shit all over you. 1.00

01:22:22.380 Hey! 1.00

01:22:24.400 Oh, you again, huh?

01:22:26.100 That wasn't very nice.

01:22:27.680 Now you just gotta leave. 0.99

01:22:28.800 I'll tell you when the fuck we leave, all right? 1.00

01:22:30.520 Get the fuck away from me. 1.00

01:22:36.020 Go watch the bites, man. 1.00

01:22:40.240 Now you just can't leave.

01:22:55.940 I will never forget the look on their faces.

01:22:58.900 All eight of them.

01:23:00.880 Their faces dropped.

01:23:03.120 All their courage and strength was drained right from their bodies.

01:23:07.460 They had a reputation for breaking up bars.

01:23:10.240 But they knew that instant they made a fatal mistake.

01:23:13.900 This time they walked into the wrong bar.

01:23:21.200 Now you can't leave once they disrespect his worker, him, his establishment.

01:23:27.920 But he gave them a chance.

01:23:30.000 First, he gave them a chance for them first.

01:23:32.020 Then there's a second iteration where he comes over and gives them another chance.

01:23:36.280 You need to leave.

01:23:37.260 Right.

01:23:37.500 They won't.

01:23:37.980 They won't.

01:23:38.680 And then the last resort is violence and the other mobsters come out and beat the hell out of them.

01:23:43.100 See, the logic of wise guys is, and people go, gee, that's so nice.

01:23:48.320 Why is it that's so nice?

01:23:49.420 The reason why, Megan, that's so nice, because I know the psychology, is I'm going to be so nice to you that you're going to have to be nice to me.

01:24:00.500 And if you're not nice to me after I'm so nice to you,

01:24:04.440 I am going to be so violent that it's going to justify my violence,

01:24:09.580 what you did to me.

01:24:11.160 That is their psychology.

01:24:12.680 Can I say, like when you were saying that without the violence part,

01:24:15.680 it kind of reminds me of Trump.

01:24:18.020 He's usually very nice when he first meets you.

01:24:20.500 Right.

01:24:21.200 And if you then do something to him he thinks is nasty,

01:24:26.420 and as a reporter you always do

01:24:28.240 because there are some negative things you have to do.

01:24:31.260 Then he turns and he's like a dog with a bone.

01:24:34.120 You know, he can't let go of it.

01:24:35.280 It's the same sort of honor code without killing people.

01:24:39.640 Right.

01:24:40.400 What the wise guy thinks, if I am so good to you

01:24:44.100 and you betray that trust,

01:24:48.200 then I'm going to be just equally as violent to you.

01:24:52.060 And that's what happened there.

01:24:54.480 I mean, don't forget.

01:24:55.500 I mean, these guys were tough, these bikers back then. 0.83

01:25:00.320 But there were no match for these guys. 1.00

01:25:02.120 These guys were like, you're talking about guys

01:25:04.240 that have been in Attica for 10 years, 20 years.

01:25:07.280 What are you going to do to them? 0.96

01:25:08.660 No, just either stay away or apologize.

01:25:11.220 What are you going to do?

01:25:12.460 You know, Megan, they're not like you and I.

01:25:16.480 We have a family.

01:25:18.700 We have children.

01:25:19.780 We have a life.

01:25:21.560 Yeah.

01:25:22.560 They can't wait to show Sonny that I'm worth this money you're paying me.

01:25:26.980 They can't wait.

01:25:28.600 Oh, they live for stuff like this.

01:25:31.160 You know, they live for that.

01:25:32.720 They're not worried at all about the fight with the biker gang. 0.90

01:25:35.880 Oh, this is like, this is, as they would say, a butterfly's belch. 0.96

01:25:40.640 You know, it's like nothing.

01:25:42.840 so i want to i want to point out that you've now renewed the one man show version of a bronx tale

01:25:52.500 and i couldn't figure out how that would look because i'd never seen you do that but i i pulled

01:25:57.380 a clip yes wait what were you going to say i'm going to say that i still do it i do it all over

01:26:02.400 yes and then i should come because i would love to come you're your husband and we will be there

01:26:06.840 or your children all of us yes my kids loved a bronx tale how old are they now they're 17 15 and

01:26:12.060 13 oh i mean that's perfect ages yeah to see this because it's really

01:26:16.520 it's just something that people should see people so many good lessons in people bring their kids

01:26:24.280 yeah no we they've seen the movie so that i would love to bring them to the one man show but

01:26:27.940 we did i did find you doing it on youtube yeah and told my team to cut a bit of this so people

01:26:33.180 can see how it looks as the one man version let's watch give me those dice give me those dice come

01:26:38.080 baby you can do it let's put some money down we put some real money real money jojo jojo you're

01:26:44.480 breathing all over me you want to back up jojo back up come on back up just back up over there

01:26:50.040 come on kid we're gonna do it put some money down baby give me a seven give me no hey no good eddie

01:26:55.480 mush no good i don't want your money touching my money eddie mush i don't want your money in the

01:27:01.280 same neighborhood as my money. Jimmy, come here. Get Eddie Mush. Lock him in the bathroom. What?

01:27:11.080 I don't give a shit. He don't want to go. Put him in. I'm on a wind street kid. He's killing me. 1.00

01:27:15.560 He'll kill me. He's a schmoniker. He's killing me. Get him out of here. I don't want my money 1.00

01:27:19.840 near my money. Come on, baby. You can do it. Give me a seven, baby. Give me a seven. Okay, sonny. 0.87

01:27:24.340 okay seven look at this kid is he a winner pass those dice down pass them down come on baby let's

01:27:32.260 put some more money down uh that scene is in the movie and it's sunny getting to meet c right for

01:27:42.020 the first time who is rolling the right dice i do the whole movie like the whole movie yeah by myself

01:27:47.220 that's incredible yeah i i so how do you do that because like how do you interact

01:27:51.720 I got to see it.

01:27:53.380 You have to see it.

01:27:54.060 Okay.

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01:29:18.160 My first introduction to you was Bullets Over Broadway.

01:29:23.320 Oh, yeah.

01:29:24.060 Which is so funny, and your role in it is so charming.

01:29:29.280 It's a Woody Allen film, and the basic premise is that this mobster wants his girlfriend to be cast in the lead role of a John Cusack,

01:29:39.600 who's kind of the Woody Allen character, play, but she's terrible. 0.55

01:29:43.860 But the mobster's going to fund the movie, so John Cusack, unlike you, Chaz,

01:29:47.960 did not hold to his principles he takes the money he casts the terrible mob girlfriend as the lead

01:29:53.720 and or one of the lead characters and then the mobster wants you the bodyguard to watch her

01:30:00.780 to watch her and make sure you know everything's okay and the it's just the funniest twist ever

01:30:07.560 i'm not giving anything away really but the mobster it loves the theater and doesn't appreciate

01:30:15.520 this girlfriend's acting at all at all realizes it's so close to me see what he said

01:30:24.040 you were born to play this jazz he goes you are this guy who grew up in the streets

01:30:30.380 you know what the word he used whatever this genius playwright who doesn't realize he's a

01:30:38.500 writer you know so and he just says i know say this say that and it was and kuzak looks at him

01:30:45.720 you know and he says how could you he never let anybody ad-lib but he let you ad-lib he let me

01:30:50.560 ad-lib well he let me he let a few people out of me and uh jennifer and a couple others he would

01:30:56.200 only let a few people ad-lib okay but he knew that i knew the milieu so he said very well go go go

01:31:01.700 so it's such a clever premise that this tough mobster is sitting there annoyed with the

01:31:07.100 character played by jennifer tilly because she was terrible right and he's she's like she's

01:31:12.220 ruining the play i like i and then let's just say he he realizes he has to do something about it

01:31:17.960 right but wait we've got a clip let's watch it i'm not making a fool of myself it stinks 0.99

01:31:23.640 oh jesus another party heard from it's a stupid way of talking and nobody talks like i don't 0.99

01:31:29.240 believe this is happening it's right when i watch your opinion i will ask for it listen i can't 1.00

01:31:34.220 stand to listen to this garbage every day i sit back there and i hear the same bullshit over and 0.99

01:31:38.600 over again then leave because no one asked you here where did you where did you study playwriting 0.99

01:31:44.180 was it sing sing amaze be set by brutal pitfalls hey olive i memorized it and i'm telling you it 0.95

01:31:50.340 comes to me all the time and it stinks on fucking hot ice that's it i quit i quit 0.84

01:31:54.940 please i have a little hangover okay wait then there's another one we have cut by the way diane 0.98

01:32:04.260 was one of the gems of that movie yeah she won the academy award for that she did did she win

01:32:08.620 yeah and we don't speak don't don't speak don't speak and i'll tell you something funny about

01:32:14.320 that movie we all got not we all i got nominated so did jennifer it got about 10 nominations the

01:32:21.200 movie and uh through the whole movie diane keeps going don't speak don't speak and i said i go diane

01:32:27.940 i love that line it's so funny i said i'm gonna say that she goes how could you say it she goes

01:32:34.000 you're a totally different character you can't say that line i go i'll find a spot i'm gonna say

01:32:39.140 that line and if you remember the movie when i die at the very end i i go i i say the ending i go say

01:32:46.980 Sylvia Postman was pregnant.

01:32:49.920 It'll make a great ending. 0.97

01:32:51.020 And I die.

01:32:52.760 And Woody went, cut.

01:32:54.000 Oh, we got everybody's applauding.

01:32:55.800 That's a wrap.

01:32:56.580 I go, no, no, Woody, let me do one more.

01:32:58.420 And he goes, no, no, Chaz, we have it.

01:33:00.300 I go, just one more, please, Woody.

01:33:02.280 For me, one more.

01:33:03.800 He goes, all right, set it up.

01:33:05.120 You can do it again, right?

01:33:06.000 So we do it again.

01:33:06.680 I lay down and I go, John Cusack's over me. 0.76

01:33:09.920 And I go, tell Sylvia Postman she's pregnant. 0.99

01:33:13.340 It'll make a great ending. 0.86

01:33:14.520 and John's just about to open his mouth.

01:33:17.060 I go, don't speak.

01:33:18.880 John did not remember that.

01:33:20.520 Don't speak.

01:33:22.360 And then I died.

01:33:23.400 And he kept it. 0.62

01:33:24.940 And he went cut.

01:33:25.820 The whole place is hysterical laughing.

01:33:28.160 And Woody comes over and he goes, you left it in. 1.00

01:33:32.740 She's so, she's this overly dramatic thespian 0.99

01:33:36.280 and she's having like an affair with John Cusack. 1.00

01:33:40.120 Don't speak, don't speak, don't speak.

01:33:42.520 My husband and I say that to each other all the time

01:33:44.300 in jest. Here's another scene between you and Jennifer Tilly, also known as Olive, in the flick.

01:33:51.100 Can't you see you're living out the exact same pattern your mother lived out with your father?

01:33:59.220 I am? Pray tell. In some way, you're trying to relive it, and in the process of reliving it,

01:34:08.080 correct it as if that were possible ha don't say ha don't say hi out of that what do you mean you

01:34:17.140 added that are you allowed to do that we're allowed to have things how could you just add

01:34:20.980 something you're allowed to add things it's called ad-libbing you can't do that i can do that what do 0.97

01:34:26.260 you know you don't know nothing shut up and read i think the whole thing stinks i think you're a 1.00

01:34:30.320 degenerate zombie shut up and read you shut up you shut up you had to be dying laughing 0.99

01:34:40.160 that was all i loved that one really yeah that i think i'm pretty sure that scene was all that 0.94

01:34:44.960 that's incredible and so when you auditioned for woody allen for this film though he was not

01:34:50.100 telegraphing that he thought you were a genius absolutely not no i i just went in there and

01:34:55.280 audition and he just said uh thank you that was it so you must have thought so i walked out i went

01:35:02.640 well that didn't go too well yeah you know and then they called me back and he said uh they want

01:35:08.880 to see you again i said oh great and when you walk in you don't even see him he's all the way in the

01:35:12.840 corner with a little light on him and you're in this big dark room and and i read and he went

01:35:18.920 Thank you.

01:35:20.100 The second time?

01:35:21.080 Second time.

01:35:21.540 Same thing?

01:35:21.980 Same thing.

01:35:22.940 I left and I called my agent.

01:35:28.800 He said, Woody loves you.

01:35:30.220 You got the part.

01:35:31.860 I was like, wow.

01:35:33.220 Yeah, were you stunned?

01:35:34.860 Yeah, I was like, wow, great.

01:35:36.760 What was he like as a director?

01:35:38.340 Great director.

01:35:39.820 Great director, great writer.

01:35:40.880 I mean, look, he wrote a great script.

01:35:42.660 Him and Doug McGrath wrote a great script.

01:35:45.080 And I used to love to say what he wrote.

01:35:48.040 But once in a while, he would say, no, no, say what you want once in a while.

01:35:50.780 So I said, all right.

01:35:51.880 I said, but let me do what you wrote first, and then I'll play around.

01:35:54.980 See how it goes.

01:35:55.600 Because he wrote a great script.

01:35:57.600 And he was a great director.

01:35:59.280 He did one thing to me where I went, there's a line I have.

01:36:04.220 When John Kuzak says to me, you burn your school down?

01:36:12.320 And I said, ah, it was Lincoln's birthday.

01:36:13.980 There was nobody there.

01:36:15.360 But, you know, so when I said the line, I went, it was Lincoln's birthday.

01:36:20.160 There was nobody there.

01:36:21.900 Woody stops and he comes along.

01:36:23.700 Now, he never talks to you.

01:36:26.900 Very rarely ever says anything.

01:36:28.920 And he goes, Chaz, why are you pausing for?

01:36:31.380 I said, it's such a great line.

01:36:33.860 It's a great joke.

01:36:35.080 I said, I love the joke, you know.

01:36:37.160 He goes, no, no, no.

01:36:38.240 It's funny if you don't pause.

01:36:40.600 And I went, okay.

01:36:43.520 And I did the line again.

01:36:44.980 And I said, no, no, no, it was Lincoln's birthday.

01:36:46.360 There was nobody there. 0.99

01:36:47.460 He was right.

01:36:48.560 Wow.

01:36:49.140 He was a stand-up comedian for years.

01:36:51.380 He was very smart.

01:36:52.300 People didn't realize that about Woody.

01:36:53.860 I mean, he's still alive.

01:36:54.820 I shouldn't speak about him.

01:36:55.440 Very, very smart.

01:36:56.380 But that's how he got his start, as a stand-up comic.

01:36:58.960 Knows comedy.

01:37:00.180 The timing.

01:37:01.280 Timing.

01:37:02.820 Really, really very genius.

01:37:05.100 Genius smart.

01:37:06.060 Like, genius smart.

01:37:07.160 So what were the differences, would you say,

01:37:09.820 when you think of the way De Niro directed you in your own film

01:37:13.260 that came from your heart and your life

01:37:15.140 and the way Woody Allen directed you

01:37:17.240 in a film that he wrote.

01:37:18.800 Well, Woody doesn't talk to you at all,

01:37:21.120 except for something like that.

01:37:22.840 In fact, they say if Woody talks to you

01:37:24.980 and continues to talk to you,

01:37:27.680 you're going to be fired.

01:37:30.040 You're going to get replaced.

01:37:31.340 Wow.

01:37:31.780 Oh, yeah.

01:37:32.380 So you don't want him to talk to you.

01:37:33.460 So he hires actors he trusts.

01:37:35.360 He trusts.

01:37:36.060 Okay.

01:37:36.380 Exactly.

01:37:36.940 He hires actors he trusts,

01:37:38.540 lets them go.

01:37:39.380 Go, do what you got to do.

01:37:40.640 Okay.

01:37:41.580 Where Bob was different.

01:37:42.620 Bob hires actors he trusts, but Bob, like Woody, likes to hire real people.

01:37:47.820 In Bronx Teal, me, Bob, and Joe Pesci are the only actors in the movie.

01:37:52.760 Wow.

01:37:53.300 Everybody else is from the street.

01:37:55.060 The kid who plays C, the young version of you, is so authentic.

01:37:59.140 All of them.

01:38:00.060 Yeah.

01:38:00.580 They're all.

01:38:01.620 Things didn't wind up that great for him.

01:38:03.500 He's had some trouble with the law.

01:38:04.840 He had some trouble with the law.

01:38:05.900 He went away for 10 years.

01:38:07.360 And now I hear that he's on recovery and he's doing great and he's helping other people, which is fantastic.

01:38:15.280 That's good.

01:38:15.980 Do you ever keep in touch with the young actors from that film?

01:38:18.460 Some of the young actors I do.

01:38:20.380 I mean, the thing about Megan that's so ironic, this kid was in the quintessential movie about not wasting your life.

01:38:27.660 Yeah.

01:38:27.980 And that's exactly what he did.

01:38:29.400 Yeah. 0.70

01:38:30.120 Well, you know, of course, the truth is Hollywood for young people.

01:38:35.160 Bad.

01:38:35.660 It's bad.

01:38:37.020 Me and Bob even talked about it when he was 16 and he made that movie.

01:38:41.020 We said, Bob, I hope we didn't curse this kid.

01:38:46.440 Well, I don't think it's your responsibility.

01:38:48.260 It's the family, the parents.

01:38:51.420 We were just talking about this this week,

01:38:52.800 the death of Hayden Penentier,

01:38:54.720 and now we have the death of Presley Gerber.

01:38:56.540 He was in modeling.

01:38:57.800 But these are very toxic industries.

01:38:59.400 Music, too, very toxic, very damaging,

01:39:02.440 and very bad people in some pockets of those industries

01:39:06.580 from whom you'd want to protect.

01:39:08.800 You're a dad.

01:39:09.860 Protect your children.

01:39:10.760 Absolutely.

01:39:11.540 You know, I don't know.

01:39:12.460 Would you ever put one of your children in child acting?

01:39:15.100 They both are.

01:39:16.080 Child acting?

01:39:16.460 Not child acting.

01:39:17.100 Yeah, no, that's a different kettle of fish.

01:39:18.940 No, not child.

01:39:19.820 My son is 30, and he's an actor and a singer-songwriter.

01:39:23.680 My son, Dante, and my daughter, but they both had to go to college.

01:39:27.600 They both had to go to good colleges and graduate.

01:39:29.400 My son went to Berkeley and my daughter went to University of Michigan

01:39:34.580 in a theater degree.

01:39:36.900 And she's done three movies.

01:39:39.140 She's been on stage.

01:39:40.440 So I said, you've got to do that.

01:39:42.940 But it's hard for them because when your parent is famous, it's difficult.

01:39:48.920 Now, it's like if your child wanted to be a newscaster.

01:39:53.280 I'm sure they could be talented.

01:39:55.100 They're always like, oh, you're Megan's daughter?

01:39:58.540 You're Chaz's son?

01:40:00.280 It's always you have to, they have to deal with that,

01:40:02.940 which is always, but they'll find their way.

01:40:06.320 They'll find their way.

01:40:07.220 Something to live up to.

01:40:08.700 I mean, that's why Nicolas Cage changed his name, right?

01:40:11.000 Because he was a Coppola.

01:40:12.300 Yeah.

01:40:12.840 But look, nobody's going to hire my child because I said so.

01:40:18.900 They're just not.

01:40:20.140 Could I open a door?

01:40:21.620 Yes.

01:40:22.780 Could I say, hey, see my son for this movie?

01:40:26.480 Yes.

01:40:27.600 But they're not going to hire him if he's not good.

01:40:29.560 No, if he stinks, forget about it.

01:40:30.660 In fact, they have to be better.

01:40:32.620 Yeah.

01:40:32.920 Because already when they're walking in, they're like, oh, it's his kid.

01:40:35.940 Right.

01:40:36.660 What have I gotten saddled with?

01:40:38.220 What am I going to watch this now?

01:40:39.500 So they have to be even better than everybody.

01:40:41.840 I mean, Tom Cruise has a son who's making it.

01:40:44.140 Not Cruise.

01:40:45.440 Hanks.

01:40:46.080 Yes.

01:40:46.540 On his own.

01:40:47.000 A lot of them do.

01:40:48.400 Matthew McConaughey.

01:40:49.280 Hey, he's got a boy.

01:40:50.340 He was on our show this year, and his kid is doing well.

01:40:53.760 Yes.

01:40:54.260 You know, it can happen.

01:40:55.220 People can get past it.

01:40:56.480 You can get, but you have to get past it in your own head.

01:40:59.280 Yeah.

01:40:59.920 You see, that's the problem.

01:41:01.200 Yeah.

01:41:01.640 In your own head, you've got to get past it.

01:41:03.620 I mean, I would definitely not want one of my kids to be in one of those industries when they're in, you know, before the age of 18.

01:41:12.780 I agree.

01:41:13.860 I agree with you. 0.89

01:41:14.840 They need to cook.

01:41:15.320 I agree with you.

01:41:15.880 They need to cook as a normal human being.

01:41:17.400 Nobody should be a star before the age of 30.

01:41:19.880 Yeah.

01:41:20.260 Nobody.

01:41:20.840 I mean, were you surprised when you got to Hollywood of what it was like as like a normal person from the Bronx?

01:41:27.040 Yeah, because I knew what helped me navigate through that whole thing with Bronx Tale is, first of all, I was 38, 39 when I finally hit it.

01:41:37.720 So I was, you know, I was a seasoned guy, grew up in the street.

01:41:41.040 I was very, you know, I'm smart, you know, nobody was going to pull nothing on me.

01:41:44.760 You know, don't give me this, you know, trust me with the eyes.

01:41:50.280 The Hollywood promise.

01:41:51.640 The Hollywood promise.

01:41:52.620 I didn't go for it.

01:41:53.700 They were messing with the wrong person.

01:41:55.060 They were messing with the wrong guy.

01:41:56.220 I met with a very big director.

01:41:58.580 And he said, this is before De Niro.

01:42:00.820 He says, I want to do, and he's a great guy and a very famous director.

01:42:05.620 And he said, I want to do Bronx Tale.

01:42:09.200 So I met with him.

01:42:10.240 And before I met with him, I looked him up on the internet.

01:42:13.780 and I saw what school he went to because I like to know people

01:42:17.120 before I meet with him, you know, what they're about, you know.

01:42:21.200 And I trust my eyes because I got X-ray eyes.

01:42:23.720 I could read people.

01:42:25.100 So I sat down with him and we talked.

01:42:26.500 He told me how much he loved it.

01:42:27.620 He saw it.

01:42:28.500 He wanted to make the movie.

01:42:29.700 And I said, oh, he says, but I can't make it with you.

01:42:32.800 I'm sorry.

01:42:33.640 I have to use a star, you know.

01:42:34.920 And I went, I said, oh, yeah.

01:42:38.140 I said, you went to the, you went to NYU, right?

01:42:42.400 Did you go to NYU?

01:42:43.780 And he goes, yeah.

01:42:45.720 I said, oh, yeah.

01:42:47.220 And you came out here about eight years ago,

01:42:49.940 after you left college?

01:42:51.300 He went, yeah.

01:42:52.520 I said, and you did this movie,

01:42:53.940 and it became a very big success,

01:42:55.900 and that's how you got so big,

01:42:57.800 and you have this incredible office here?

01:43:00.560 He said, yes.

01:43:02.240 I said, well, answer me this.

01:43:04.660 Am I allowed the same break that you got?

01:43:08.380 Am I any different than you?

01:43:11.580 And he just stared at me.

01:43:13.780 And he said, you're right.

01:43:16.620 Good for you.

01:43:17.340 He said, I apologize.

01:43:18.660 He goes, but I still can't make the move.

01:43:21.480 And I said, that's all right.

01:43:22.480 I'll make it without you.

01:43:23.660 All right, stand by.

01:43:24.240 I've got to take a break.

01:43:25.140 We'll do more on the back end.

01:43:25.900 Sure.

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01:45:03.040 Hey everyone, it's me, Megan Kelly.

01:45:05.120 I've got some exciting news.

01:45:07.320 I now have my very own channel on SiriusXM.

01:45:10.380 It's called The Megyn Kelly Channel, and it is where you will hear the truth, unfiltered, with no agenda, and no apologies.

01:45:16.660 Along with The Megyn Kelly Show, you're going to hear from people like Mark Halperin, Link Lauren, Maureen Callahan, Emily Jashinsky, Jesse Kelly, Real Clear Politics, and many more.

01:45:26.040 It's bold, no BS news, only on The Megyn Kelly Channel, Sirius XM 111, and on the Sirius XM app.

01:45:32.640 legendary actor director and writer chaz palmentary is back with me now

01:45:42.200 and you got your own podcast going yes the chaz palmentary show on youtube it's on spotify and

01:45:47.960 google it comes out mondays once a week it's out mondays at 11 o'clock okay yeah what do you talk

01:45:52.780 about uh well i have i'm a very i like to collect the guests i have uh tony winners you know

01:45:59.620 There were Grammy winners, Alan Makin, Billy Joel.

01:46:03.280 Wow.

01:46:03.760 I had basketball players, had Shaq on.

01:46:06.440 Oh, wow.

01:46:06.920 I had boxers.

01:46:07.840 I don't think I could fit Shaq in this studio.

01:46:10.000 You couldn't come in that door.

01:46:11.620 And I have Shaq on.

01:46:12.460 And Shaq is a great human being, great guy.

01:46:14.440 Larry Holmes, fighters.

01:46:16.220 And then I have neighborhood guys, just like regular neighborhood guys.

01:46:21.500 Like the old neighborhood.

01:46:22.820 The old neighborhood guys.

01:46:24.220 Not Bedford.

01:46:24.860 My friend Squiggy.

01:46:25.840 No, no.

01:46:26.380 My friend Squiggy and Sandy Blue Eyes and all these people.

01:46:29.280 It's Squiggy and Sandy Blue.

01:46:30.820 You hang out with Hillary at all in upstate? 0.58

01:46:33.280 No.

01:46:33.700 They live near me, not too far.

01:46:35.760 No, I don't.

01:46:36.620 No, you never hang out?

01:46:37.580 I never hang out with Hillary, no.

01:46:39.840 That would be an interesting dinner I'd love to zoom in on.

01:46:43.160 Yeah.

01:46:43.740 We were talking during the break, and I was asking you whether you're still friends with Robert De Niro.

01:46:49.060 And you said yes.

01:46:50.180 You guys never talk politics.

01:46:51.860 No.

01:46:52.460 No, I don't talk politics with Bob.

01:46:53.620 I think this is good for friendships.

01:46:55.440 Yeah.

01:46:56.180 Yeah.

01:46:57.380 Yeah.

01:46:57.700 I mean, I'm on your own person.

01:46:58.900 Some things I do agree with Bob, some things that I have my own views on.

01:47:02.660 But I never took politics about that ever.

01:47:05.760 Even before he became so vocal about Trump, you and he didn't talk politics.

01:47:10.100 No, never. I never did.

01:47:11.460 Just don't base your friendship on that.

01:47:13.160 No, not at all.

01:47:14.560 And I never talk about my friends.

01:47:16.620 People could ask me about Bob as an artist,

01:47:20.740 and I'd be more than happy to tell you what a great artist he is.

01:47:23.260 But when it comes to personal lives,

01:47:24.720 I never talk about Bob's personal life or anybody's personal life.

01:47:28.180 I just don't do it.

01:47:29.280 Why would you to your friends?

01:47:30.840 They're my friends.

01:47:31.640 That's nobody's business what they do.

01:47:33.740 But I like that.

01:47:36.220 Adam Carolla is a dear friend of mine.

01:47:37.860 And one of his best friends is Jimmy Kimmel, who I don't like at all.

01:47:42.880 But I respect that these two guys love each other.

01:47:46.280 Yeah.

01:47:46.660 And they don't make politics the stakes of their relationship.

01:47:49.440 I have a lot of relationships like that in my life, too.

01:47:51.980 I couldn't care less what their politics are, my friends.

01:47:55.100 It's like I love them for a bunch of other things.

01:47:57.660 You're my friend.

01:47:58.260 I love you.

01:47:58.920 That's it.

01:47:59.440 That's it, man.

01:48:00.100 You're my friend.

01:48:00.680 I love you.

01:48:01.140 Yes, I love that.

01:48:02.400 So why do you say Shaq is a great guy?

01:48:04.300 What's he like?

01:48:05.700 Because he's a very giving person.

01:48:08.000 He walks around with his big heart.

01:48:10.780 And if there's kids in trouble or kids need something, he doesn't donate to a charity.

01:48:16.260 He goes, what do you need?

01:48:17.580 You need a playground?

01:48:18.840 Get him a playground.

01:48:20.200 Who could you call?

01:48:21.700 You know what I mean?

01:48:22.500 Yes.

01:48:23.000 Oh, you need this?

01:48:24.280 Go to the store.

01:48:25.520 Pick this up for these kids.

01:48:27.280 You know, he's like right there.

01:48:29.200 That's so sweet.

01:48:30.200 Yeah, and he's from the heart.

01:48:31.380 He's a really good man.

01:48:32.860 I like Shaq a great deal.

01:48:34.300 I was so glad to hear that.

01:48:35.820 He's in this TV series.

01:48:37.940 Well, I'm in two TV series, Godfather of Harlem with Forrest Whitaker, 0.60

01:48:42.940 and I'm in Grave's End, and Shaq is in it.

01:48:46.480 Will DeBello is the writer and creator of it.

01:48:50.560 And it's coming out now on Amazon Prime.

01:48:53.460 But he's just a great guy.

01:48:55.040 I mean, he knows who he is, Megan.

01:48:58.140 People who don't know who they are, they're not nice people.

01:49:01.480 They have to show you who they are.

01:49:03.220 Yeah, right.

01:49:04.160 If you're really somebody where you're safe in your own skin, you're a great guy.

01:49:11.560 I don't have to make believe.

01:49:13.380 Well, I was asking you about Jennifer Tilly, who we just saw in the Bullets Over Broadway scene,

01:49:20.080 where she was the terrible actress, or so she purported to be when she played Olive.

01:49:24.340 But my children, who have not yet seen Bullets Over Broadway, have seen you and Jennifer together because we are big, modern family fans.

01:49:35.160 We pulled a little bit of that, a scene of the two of you who came in as friends of Jay and Gloria, played by Ed O'Neill and Sofia Vergara.

01:49:44.240 Here's a bit of that.

01:49:45.680 I sense that you've got a secret that's maybe causing you a lot of anguish.

01:49:52.700 You heard something, right?

01:49:53.900 Well, I had the same situation with my son, Mitchell.

01:49:57.840 Really?

01:49:58.400 Yeah.

01:49:58.680 And I didn't handle it too well either.

01:50:00.360 And I just want you to know that you can open up to me,

01:50:05.360 that I'm going to do all I can to help you.

01:50:10.340 Well, I mean, I never said this out loud before to anyone,

01:50:15.100 but I guess if I did, it would be you.

01:50:18.220 It's just that, Jay, you see, I'm...

01:50:20.900 um go ahead yeah go ahead i'm in debt huh i owe a bookie 20 g's and he's a serious guy 0.99

01:50:32.220 and you offering to give me the dough this is beautiful wait a minute you're not gay 0.98

01:50:37.240 gay what are you talking about gay i'm not gay when did you get gay come on i mean you're always 0.98

01:50:43.820 talking about clothes and everything right my father was a tailor i like clothes so what 0.98

01:50:48.240 so funny that's funny how much did you enjoy being on that show i love working on that show

01:50:58.300 there was everybody's so great in it and steve uh the creators genius to comedy and uh i love

01:51:06.820 doing the show and ed is a friend of mine and just so funny and jennifer played your wife

01:51:11.940 jennifer played my wife and i mean everybody on that show is great everybody everybody there's

01:51:18.160 no weak link there's no weak link on that show everybody's great we love that series and you

01:51:23.500 know what's funny i have a whole new thing of fans that young kids that see me on that show

01:51:28.180 well it's funny because when i was telling the kids you're coming i'm like it's chas palman

01:51:31.980 jerry and they said from a bronx tale and i said yes and i said and also modern family and they're

01:51:36.020 like oh yeah modern family of course that's great that must have been so fun because that show is

01:51:40.560 iconic yes and i while we're doing the acting career i got to mention probably the biggest

01:51:47.060 movie you were ever in is it was it the biggest the usual suspects yeah pretty much one of the

01:51:52.560 biggest yeah i mean that film was just talk about a hit it was one of those movies everybody talked

01:51:59.400 about it was like nobody could stop talking about the ending the mystery of it and so on if you

01:52:04.960 haven't seen it i won't ruin it but there's a there's a real question about who is this bad guy

01:52:11.360 kaiser soze right and you played a cop i play cop uh yeah agent kuhan who's searching for him

01:52:17.820 yes and so here's a bit of that uh this is from the usual suspects it's not 51 what do you think

01:52:24.560 he would say if he found out you dropped his name to the da there's nothing in there about ruby i'll

01:52:30.280 be sure to mention that to him first thing on the job you know what i learned how to spot a murderer

01:52:34.540 let's say you arrest three guys for the same killing you put them all in jail overnight the

01:52:39.100 Next morning, whoever's sleeping is your man.

01:52:41.260 You see, if you're guilty, you know you're caught.

01:52:42.640 You get some rest.

01:52:43.700 You let your guard down.

01:52:45.000 You follow me?

01:52:46.220 No.

01:52:47.580 Let me get right to the point.

01:52:50.680 I'm smarter than you.

01:52:52.660 And I'm going to find out what I want to know.

01:52:54.980 And I'm going to get it from you whether you like it or not.

01:52:58.520 I'm not a rat.

01:53:02.240 So good.

01:53:03.920 You've worked with some greats.

01:53:05.100 Kevin Spacey, too, crushed it in that film.

01:53:07.780 He crushed it.

01:53:08.260 I always laugh, him and I always laugh, because I said,

01:53:10.500 Kevin, I don't understand something.

01:53:12.200 I've had 10 pages of dialogue, 10 monologues.

01:53:17.120 I go all through this thing, and then you look at me and you go,

01:53:20.720 I'm not a rat.

01:53:21.720 And you win the Academy Award.

01:53:23.320 I said, explain this to me.

01:53:24.580 How did this happen?

01:53:25.860 You just look at me and go, I'm not a rat.

01:53:28.640 That's it.

01:53:29.320 I got ripped off. 0.72

01:53:30.920 The key is you must play the invalid.

01:53:33.320 That's the key.

01:53:33.800 Ah, the invalid. 1.00

01:53:34.840 You don't want to be the one wheel in the wheelchair. 1.00

01:53:36.720 You need a limp.

01:53:37.300 the one in the wheelchair oh yeah like a limp or a lisp or something you're always too tough 1.00

01:53:43.460 you gotta be the one in the wheel like in that modern family scene you should have been the gay 0.99

01:53:48.840 guy yes yeah damn opportunity miss opportunity miss when you watch now so far i guess i should 0.99

01:53:55.680 point out we've talked about you working with woody allen we've talked about you working with 0.98

01:53:58.620 kevin spacey both these guys have been like painted as these terrible dudes who have allegedly done

01:54:04.420 terrible things yeah i've told my audience repeatedly i don't believe that woody allen

01:54:07.940 molested his daughter at all i've completely i've done very deep dives on that case as a lawyer just

01:54:13.600 because i love his films and i wanted to know whether he did this and i don't believe one word

01:54:18.440 of it um kevin spacey has slowly but surely been exonerated on the most serious charges against him

01:54:25.880 too so what has it been like for you to watch guys that you presumably care about go through this yeah

01:54:31.740 Well, you know, I feel for Kevin, especially Kevin.

01:54:37.580 And Woody, you know, I mean, I don't know anything about the case.

01:54:40.660 And from what I know, people who know Woody very well said, no, that's not true.

01:54:46.100 And so I don't really know.

01:54:48.480 Did anyone ever try to make it?

01:54:49.780 There was a while there where they were trying to make other actors or actors who'd been in, for example, Woody's films, condemn him, disavow.

01:54:56.860 Yeah.

01:54:57.920 I said, I don't talk about that.

01:54:59.500 Good for you.

01:54:59.940 I won't talk about somebody's personal life, Megan.

01:55:01.960 Sonny would be ashamed of you if you did. 1.00

01:55:04.000 That's a rat. 0.99

01:55:04.600 Don't you think? 0.72

01:55:05.480 It's a rat. 0.59

01:55:06.120 You can't rat on somebody.

01:55:08.080 You just don't do that.

01:55:10.360 You don't do that.

01:55:11.120 There's loyalty to friends.

01:55:12.720 Yeah.

01:55:13.880 Look, sometimes you just got to keep your mouth shut.

01:55:18.600 I mean, wise guys would get shot at.

01:55:21.480 And when Costello got shot by Gigante, he saw him.

01:55:26.240 And in court, they put Gigante up in front of him.

01:55:28.540 They said, is this the man?

01:55:29.500 And he went, no.

01:55:31.160 Yeah.

01:55:31.880 He said, no, that's not him.

01:55:33.160 There's a code.

01:55:34.680 You just don't do it.

01:55:36.760 The, oh gosh, we had Sammy the Bull on the show one time.

01:55:43.020 And Sammy the Bull Gravano.

01:55:45.720 And there's this guy who lives across the street from me at the shore.

01:55:51.060 And he never says much to me.

01:55:52.760 I know he listens to the show as often as he can.

01:55:55.300 But he never really like comes over for a review.

01:55:57.480 but after I had on Sammy the Bull

01:56:00.280 he comes out 1.00

01:56:01.160 this is a big Italian guy 0.98

01:56:02.760 the bald head

01:56:03.800 very tan

01:56:04.500 he goes 0.99

01:56:05.480 the guy's a rat 1.00

01:56:07.560 he's a rat 1.00

01:56:09.060 he's a rat 0.99

01:56:09.520 did not appreciate 0.91

01:56:10.700 his appearance on the MK show

01:56:12.680 he was fascinating

01:56:14.120 but there is a code

01:56:16.220 and if you violate it

01:56:17.400 you are instantly otherized 0.98

01:56:18.920 he's a rat 1.00

01:56:19.820 yeah 0.96

01:56:21.000 he's not been on the Chaz Palmincherry

01:56:22.580 no

01:56:22.940 that's not happening

01:56:25.840 no no 0.95

01:56:26.820 So, but it goes to show you how ridiculous it is. 0.98

01:56:32.740 He got off. 0.85

01:56:34.460 And what does he do?

01:56:35.300 Gets right back in it again, then goes away for 15 years.

01:56:38.780 I mean.

01:56:40.320 Well, you're a braver man person than I am to criticize Sammy the Bull.

01:56:43.840 I'm not saying a word.

01:56:44.920 No, but I'm just saying, I mean, you got off.

01:56:47.820 Go away. 0.99

01:56:49.340 Keep your mouth shut and go away. 1.00

01:56:50.980 You know, you get in trouble again. 0.99

01:56:52.300 I mean.

01:56:52.780 Well, what about you now?

01:56:54.720 So you're still with the same woman that you married?

01:56:57.760 Yes.

01:56:58.140 And she was in a Bronx Tale.

01:56:59.260 Yes.

01:56:59.520 She had a role. 0.99

01:57:00.380 Yes. 0.84

01:57:00.680 She played Sonny's girlfriend.

01:57:02.580 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:02.960 I knew her before Bronx Tale, a year before, yeah.

01:57:05.820 But you're an anomaly in the entertainment business and in life

01:57:09.980 if you married the same woman in, what, 1992,

01:57:13.180 and you've stayed with her since.

01:57:14.340 Yeah, we've been together 35 years.

01:57:15.960 Wow.

01:57:16.460 How'd you manage that in such a competitive industry 1.00

01:57:18.800 where I'm sure you've had a lot of ladies who are very interested in you, 1.00

01:57:21.740 especially as you made a bunch of money? 1.00

01:57:23.040 Well, I had a lot of ladies before that. 1.00

01:57:26.040 Oh, okay. 0.95

01:57:27.100 You know what I mean?

01:57:27.820 So I had my thing, you know.

01:57:32.860 Sowed your oats.

01:57:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:36.360 It's like you put it, you got to weigh it, Megan.

01:57:38.420 You got to go, for 20 minutes of this or for a lifetime of this,

01:57:43.100 what am I doing here?

01:57:44.380 And it's still hard.

01:57:45.400 I mean, I'm still a work in progress.

01:57:47.140 And me and my wife, do we still battle sometimes?

01:57:49.640 Sure we do.

01:57:51.000 But, you know, I always laugh.

01:57:52.680 I go, people say, what's the secret?

01:57:55.020 I go, well, we never wanted to get a divorce at the same time.

01:57:58.360 Yeah.

01:57:58.940 You know, we always just said, you work it out.

01:58:02.820 You're going to have the same problems with someone else.

01:58:04.980 Different, but problems.

01:58:07.040 You know, and especially if you have children, there's got to be.

01:58:13.360 I just think you've got to be a little, you can't be so selfish with your life, you know.

01:58:18.120 Where were you living when you raised the kids?

01:58:20.620 I raised them first.

01:58:21.860 I had a farm out in, I live in the city, and I had a farm out in, like a farm, in Colts Neck, New York.

01:58:30.200 I live right next to Bruce Springsteen.

01:58:31.720 Oh.

01:58:32.180 Yeah.

01:58:33.560 Speaking of politics and people who have lost their minds.

01:58:35.760 Yeah, I always see Bruce all the time back then.

01:58:36.760 Oh, really?

01:58:37.280 Oh, yeah.

01:58:38.060 So you raised him not in Hollywood?

01:58:40.160 No.

01:58:41.120 No.

01:58:41.480 And then I, no, never.

01:58:43.140 And then I moved to, we lived in the city for a while.

01:58:46.180 And then 9-11, a year before 9-11 happened,

01:58:51.520 I was buying this beautiful apartment across the street from the World Trade Center,

01:58:55.840 right on the same block, 73 Murray Street.

01:58:59.300 And I was buying the whole floor, and it was a beautiful apartment.

01:59:04.380 And the last minute, I'm very psychic.

01:59:06.920 Are you?

01:59:07.300 Oh, extremely.

01:59:08.720 And I look up, and I'm looking at the World Trade Center,

01:59:11.160 and I turn to my wife, and I say,

01:59:13.020 this thing is giving me a darkness oh no if this this thing ever falls it'll kill us 1.00

01:59:19.760 she goes fall she goes are you stupid what are you saying i said they try to bomb it in 93 0.99

01:59:25.260 maybe it'll try again one day and i talk her out of it and then we bought all all this land up in 0.99

01:59:31.360 bedford and we built a big house a year later it fell and that bill in that place gone oh my really

01:59:38.140 Yep.

01:59:38.840 Couldn't live there for like five years.

01:59:40.940 Whoa.

01:59:41.560 Yeah.

01:59:42.100 What else have you predicted?

01:59:44.260 Things with people.

01:59:46.340 Yeah.

01:59:46.760 What, you just get a sense when you're with them?

01:59:48.800 I don't predict things with people.

01:59:50.940 I talk about who they are, but I don't go into the future with them.

01:59:55.600 We just watched an old 80s film, The Dead Zone, starring Christopher Walken.

02:00:02.360 Yeah.

02:00:02.580 Where he gets into a car accident, and he has a brain injury.

02:00:07.420 And now if he touches your hand, he can see your future.

02:00:11.220 And it's always bad.

02:00:12.700 It's terrible.

02:00:13.320 Like, is this a curse, or is this a gift, this thing you have?

02:00:16.500 Well, I work on it.

02:00:18.520 But I'll meet people.

02:00:19.900 I'll go, give me.

02:00:20.360 But I can only do it if somebody gives me a piece of jewelry or something they held,

02:00:24.820 something they wore for a long time, like a ring, a watch.

02:00:29.600 And then sometimes I get nothing.

02:00:31.140 There was a guy on a set once, he said this to me.

02:00:33.260 He said, I was doing Michael Lerner, and I got him really pretty good.

02:00:38.000 And the guy says, I don't believe it. 1.00

02:00:39.200 It's all bullshit. 1.00

02:00:39.900 I don't believe in that. 1.00

02:00:41.120 I said, well, you know, it's all right.

02:00:43.200 And everybody was to care.

02:00:44.780 And he tried to come off his dislike, whatever.

02:00:47.940 He goes, here, here's my ring.

02:00:49.480 I never took it off in 30 years.

02:00:51.180 Do me.

02:00:51.940 And he puts it in my hand.

02:00:54.500 So I said, all right.

02:00:55.440 So I sit there.

02:00:56.660 All of a sudden, pictures just start flowing in my head, right?

02:00:59.820 So I said, you grew up on a farm.

02:01:01.840 And he goes, yeah, all right, but good guess.

02:01:05.580 Go ahead.

02:01:06.400 And I went, it's a big farm, a lot of acres on this farm.

02:01:09.960 He goes, yeah, yeah, it's a farm. 0.98

02:01:12.420 You know, he's trying to be a wise ass.

02:01:13.720 I go, there was a dirt, there was a gravel road behind your house. 0.96

02:01:19.900 It was wide.

02:01:21.200 And he went, yeah.

02:01:23.900 I said, on that gravel road, you were like 10, 11 years old.

02:01:28.760 you got hurt you got hurt bad and he goes yeah i said a a white a white car picked you up and he

02:01:41.760 went yeah my uncle's white chevy picked me up and i went the letter j letter j he goes yeah my uncle

02:01:52.900 jim give me my ring and he got scared and he took his ring no way yeah what my hand to god

02:01:59.300 You didn't know any of that before?

02:02:00.800 Nothing.

02:02:02.020 Got that off of his ring.

02:02:03.220 Off his ring.

02:02:03.780 Now, sometimes I'll take it from somebody and nothing happens.

02:02:08.340 Well, do you ever take it from somebody and you get something bad, like a foreshadowing?

02:02:12.700 No.

02:02:13.620 That would be awkward.

02:02:14.720 No.

02:02:15.620 No, I never get it because I'm not thinking of the future with them.

02:02:18.380 I'm thinking of something from their past.

02:02:20.220 From their past, about who they are.

02:02:21.840 That's crazy.

02:02:23.440 I don't think I'd like that.

02:02:24.780 I wouldn't want it.

02:02:26.020 Yeah, and I know people get spooked.

02:02:28.160 Now, I don't know how that happened.

02:02:30.580 I'm a Christian.

02:02:31.560 I mean, I'm Catholic.

02:02:33.580 I don't believe in that, but it's just something.

02:02:36.240 But it's happened.

02:02:36.960 Because I had a friend who was a very world-famous psychic,

02:02:41.160 and he got paid tons of money.

02:02:44.140 And he said, you know, you should do this more often

02:02:45.980 because you could be good at it.

02:02:47.340 Oh, my goodness.

02:02:49.680 And I said, you should work on it, Chaz.

02:02:52.060 You told me that many years ago.

02:02:53.500 So when I meet people, I go, yeah, give me a ring.

02:02:56.220 And then sometimes nothing, zero.

02:02:58.900 And then sometimes something happens, so I don't know.

02:03:00.960 Oh, I'm not going to give you my rank.

02:03:03.160 No, no, no, no.

02:03:03.820 I don't want to do that anymore.

02:03:05.520 No, no.

02:03:06.380 Because what if you say something that's not true,

02:03:08.320 then I don't want to put you on the spot, then it's awkward.

02:03:10.300 Oh, no, I don't care.

02:03:10.880 I go, look.

02:03:11.420 What if it's wrong?

02:03:12.040 I've hit people that it's wrong.

02:03:13.800 And they go, no, no, no, wrong, wrong, wrong.

02:03:16.080 And I go, okay.

02:03:17.780 Give it a shot.

02:03:18.580 I give it a shot.

02:03:19.420 I go, well, fine.

02:03:20.400 So what do you think of what's happening with the movie industry today?

02:03:23.480 Because it's so different now.

02:03:25.360 Yeah, Hollywood seems like it's emptying out, filling it up with AI companies.

02:03:30.880 Yeah, but I think it's good because I think we're in control now.

02:03:36.600 I can make the movies I want to make.

02:03:39.980 And look, I reach, you're more than I am, but I can reach four or five million people a week, a month.

02:03:50.700 You know, some of my videos went, you know, 10 million.

02:03:55.080 Some, you know, who knows?

02:03:56.840 So I can, look, if I have content, I can get it out there.

02:04:01.920 You know, the paradigm has changed.

02:04:04.260 You don't have the power no more.

02:04:05.640 It's not the big movie studios to make all the calls.

02:04:08.200 I don't even have to go on advertising.

02:04:09.640 I don't have to pay money for advertising, Megan.

02:04:12.600 As a comedian, you used to have to get on The Tonight Show.

02:04:15.240 Yeah.

02:04:16.220 Right?

02:04:16.600 I got a big audience in The Tonight Show now.

02:04:18.760 You know what I'm saying?

02:04:19.900 Yeah.

02:04:20.420 So it's like, hey, I'm okay with all this.

02:04:23.680 The democratization of Hollywood.

02:04:25.360 You like it?

02:04:26.200 Yeah, I'm okay with it.

02:04:27.340 I'm okay with it.

02:04:28.020 You don't have to still deal with all the alleged slime bags who make dirty deals and aren't good people.

02:04:35.140 Look, there's always other people out there that make bad deals.

02:04:38.540 When there's a lot of money involved, yes.

02:04:40.900 There's always people like that, Megan.

02:04:43.540 Everybody's your friend.

02:04:45.280 No matter what business, no matter show business, this business,

02:04:49.340 you become partners with somebody else in some airplane business.

02:04:53.120 When the big money comes, now we see who the real friends are.

02:04:58.720 Now we see.

02:05:00.240 But don't you hate that?

02:05:01.340 Maybe I'm still naive.

02:05:03.340 I don't know.

02:05:03.920 I just feel like now after 20-plus years in the news business

02:05:06.520 and another 10 in law, I still have a sense of optimism,

02:05:12.880 and then I still get burned.

02:05:14.720 I wish I were a little more street smart.

02:05:18.520 Yes, but I've been burned too.

02:05:21.020 But how can you continue meeting people and using discernment?

02:05:27.820 I feel like I can relate to my dog, Strudwick, sometimes,

02:05:31.200 where I'm just running over, appreciating this person,

02:05:34.680 and forgetting everything I've learned about humankind.

02:05:37.920 Yes.

02:05:39.020 See, I'm both.

02:05:40.400 I'm like this paradox.

02:05:42.440 I'm a Catholic, but I also am a student of Machiavelli.

02:05:47.300 I read Machiavelli all the time, and there's a lot of truth in Machiavelli.

02:05:51.960 If you remember Bronx Tale, I took a lot of Machiavelli and put it into the movie.

02:05:56.360 Is it better to be loved or feared?

02:05:58.080 Yeah, right, right.

02:05:59.140 You know, what way?

02:06:01.480 See, people will always, in the end, if it's them or you, they'll go self-preservation.

02:06:12.980 They will.

02:06:13.980 And I understand that.

02:06:15.300 I do.

02:06:16.740 There are very few people that will go hurt me, but don't hurt him.

02:06:20.760 Very few people.

02:06:22.280 Because they'll make things up in their head to justify what they've done.

02:06:28.100 See, that's the difference.

02:06:29.100 People will make things up.

02:06:30.600 Well, she was not good to me in the partnership.

02:06:33.500 She should have been there more. 0.96

02:06:34.840 That's why I took the extra money.

02:06:37.380 You know, they'll justify, you know.

02:06:39.580 But I'm like you.

02:06:41.820 Having a good friend is like being,

02:06:44.000 is like falling in love.

02:06:45.680 The only way you could fall in love is to be vulnerable.

02:06:48.600 You cannot fall in love unless you're vulnerable.

02:06:50.800 You cannot.

02:06:52.060 You have to say, okay, here's my heart.

02:06:56.140 You could hurt me,

02:06:57.200 But it's the only way I could do this.

02:07:01.480 And it's like a friend.

02:07:02.980 You say, I love you as a friend.

02:07:05.060 Let's go partners.

02:07:08.260 Don't hurt me.

02:07:09.060 I just hope you don't hurt me.

02:07:10.400 You have to do it.

02:07:11.480 Otherwise, you become jaded and you end up like them, which I don't want to be like them.

02:07:16.120 That's so true.

02:07:17.060 That's so well said.

02:07:18.740 I know.

02:07:19.360 It's very sad because, well.

02:07:21.500 I'm sure you've been hurt by people who betrayed you.

02:07:24.380 I'm thinking of my assistant, Abby, who I love.

02:07:26.740 She hasn't done anything wrong at all, but she's been with me for 17 years, and she's about to have her third child, and she's leaving me because there's someone who needs her more than I do, and I get it, but I'm so sad.

02:07:39.360 It's what you just said.

02:07:40.440 I love her.

02:07:41.580 My God, I can't believe this.

02:07:42.940 And so I'm so sad because I don't want her to leave me.

02:07:45.780 I had a young lady who worked for me, and I can say her name.

02:07:50.860 She was one of the great assistants I ever had, Maria Arago. 0.68

02:07:54.300 Great.

02:07:55.020 And she was with me for a long time.

02:07:57.880 Traveled all over the world, me, all my movies.

02:08:00.320 And one day I walk into the office.

02:08:02.920 I had my office in the city at times.

02:08:04.440 She's crying, crying.

02:08:06.540 I said, what happened?

02:08:08.780 She goes, oh, my God.

02:08:09.800 I said, just tell me what happened.

02:08:11.940 She goes, I got offered this job, and they offered me an incredible job

02:08:16.220 three times more than you, and I don't want to leave you.

02:08:20.120 And I looked at her, and I said, you don't want to leave me.

02:08:22.440 You're leaving me. 0.78

02:08:23.200 what are you crazy you have to take this job you must take this job and she goes but i don't want 0.99

02:08:30.200 and i hugged her and i said you're taking this job don't you dare not i said this is a move 0.99

02:08:36.360 move where you want to get into this fashion thing and do this and i it you know it hurt me

02:08:42.940 that she left but but i loved her just like you love you know her you know sometimes they have to

02:08:50.640 grow. They have to grow without you.

02:08:54.620 Yeah. Sometimes they outgrow us. They outgrow us. And sometimes you just

02:08:58.580 got to go, it's okay. I know. Because in the

02:09:02.600 end. Abby, don't leave me. Because

02:09:06.560 in the end, what's it all mean? I know.

02:09:10.580 No, it's true. When I think about it from her perspective, I know

02:09:14.580 it's the right move and I completely get the logic and I, of course,

02:09:18.480 want nothing but good things for her but when i think about it for me i'm just so sad it's there's

02:09:23.040 so few people who have been with you right that long and so intimately in your life yes and it's

02:09:28.560 such a wonderful thing to count somebody like that a friend who's with you every day who's been

02:09:32.040 through all the highs and lows it's like you know almost like a spouse you know who's just been

02:09:36.060 through everything with you right but some people are meant to take the bus ride with you but

02:09:40.340 they're not meant to go all the way to the end of the line you know they learn what they did

02:09:45.660 and they got off and you'll always get off in Connecticut.

02:09:49.140 You'll always be friends with her the rest of her life and your life.

02:09:52.060 Yeah.

02:09:52.460 But see, this is where, this is that moment.

02:09:55.420 This is that critical moment in people's lives where you could be, 0.98

02:09:58.940 who the hell are you? 0.98

02:10:00.340 17 years. 0.99

02:10:01.440 I gave you this.

02:10:02.660 I gave you your start.

02:10:04.180 You were nobody.

02:10:05.400 I mean, that's how certain people would go.

02:10:07.020 No, that's not, that hasn't been what happens.

02:10:09.000 Yeah.

02:10:09.240 You see what I'm saying?

02:10:09.840 But certain people would do that.

02:10:10.960 She and I have both been in tears about it ever since she decided to do it.

02:10:13.580 And that's the way me and her, you know what?

02:10:15.100 But me and her, that other woman, me and Maria, were just as close.

02:10:18.840 And I would have a great assistant, my assistant Stacy.

02:10:21.240 She's been with me 20 years, and she's the best.

02:10:23.240 Oh, Steve.

02:10:24.180 Yes.

02:10:24.660 Well, actually, I should mention, we have found a wonderful gal named Kayla, 0.97

02:10:27.760 who so far is crushing it. 0.89

02:10:29.120 Yes.

02:10:29.540 She's my new Abby.

02:10:30.240 Yes, go Kayla.

02:10:31.400 Yes.

02:10:31.820 And you know what?

02:10:32.580 And it'll be fine.

02:10:33.820 Yeah.

02:10:34.360 I know.

02:10:35.000 And Abby's been great.

02:10:35.840 She's going to be like a big sister to Kayla,

02:10:37.760 and I'm kind of like a big sister to her.

02:10:39.420 We're all paying it forward.

02:10:40.120 And think of what you pass down to her, that she will pass down to the next girl. 0.89

02:10:45.180 It's all about passing down. 0.94

02:10:47.640 At the end of my show, I have this card about the wasted talent,

02:10:51.820 and I call up a young person, and when you come and see the show, you'll see.

02:10:56.740 It's our job, and I say our job, that we are where we are in life.

02:11:02.560 We have to send the elevator back down.

02:11:05.160 You have to.

02:11:06.880 Sonny and your dad taught you well, Chaz.

02:11:10.220 Yeah, well, thank you.

02:11:11.580 This is such a pleasure.

02:11:12.760 Thanks so much for coming in.

02:11:14.040 No, I was so looking forward to it.

02:11:16.720 Oh, gosh, me too.

02:11:17.880 What an honor to meet you.

02:11:19.240 This is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

02:11:21.240 Absolutely.

02:11:21.800 You're terrific, and I like what you say.

02:11:25.420 You say what you feel.

02:11:26.520 You mean what you say.

02:11:27.560 Oh, thank you.

02:11:28.440 And I think that's important.

02:11:29.500 Thank you.

02:11:30.040 Yeah, it's one of the greatest liberties we have.

02:11:32.700 Absolutely.

02:11:33.100 Why not exercise it?

02:11:34.040 Absolutely.

02:11:34.500 All right, so next stop is wherever the one-man show is.

02:11:37.560 I'll call your assistant, and she'll let you know.

02:11:39.660 It's done.

02:11:40.420 Thank you.

02:11:40.960 Okay.

02:11:41.300 Thanks for everything.

02:11:41.880 And you're my guest for the show, please.

02:11:43.200 I'd love to be. And thank you for all the laughs and entertainment over the years, too.

02:11:47.400 I know I speak for my audience when I say we're all grateful.

02:11:50.100 God bless. Thank you.

02:11:51.260 Isn't he wonderful? Chaz Palminteri, everybody, check out his one-man show, which you can just Google.

02:11:56.080 Yes. How do they?

02:11:57.740 ChazPalminteri.net.

02:11:58.860 Okay.

02:11:59.340 Or go to my Instagram, Chaz Palminteri.

02:12:01.600 Okay. And it's Palminteri, M-I-N-T-E-R-I, just in case you don't want to screw that up. 0.83

02:12:08.460 So check out the one-man show and check out his podcast, too. That'll be super fun to listen to.

02:12:13.000 Thanks to all of you for joining us.

02:12:14.480 We will see you again tomorrow.

02:12:16.060 Lots of love.

02:12:17.560 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

02:12:19.580 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - September 23, 2026

King Charles vs. Diana's Brother, Harry and Meghan's Latest Fails, Plus Chazz Palminteri on Robert De Niro and Woody Allen ｜ Ep. 1404

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