Another day, another massive legal win for Donald Trump in his fight against years of unfair, absurd, targeted lawfare against him. This one is a stunner, and it's coming from the highest court in New York State, the Supreme Court.
00:05:34.840You can get Phil and our other pals doing great legal analysis on all the hot legal cases.
00:05:39.040They are going to have a lot with this one, along with Will Chamberlain, who's senior counsel at the Article 3 Project.
00:05:45.460That's, of course, Mike Davis's organization, and they do great work.
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00:06:56.280And, you know, we've talked about this going on, I don't know, how many years now.
00:06:59.640The lawfare that was waged against Donald Trump, which is all rooted in hard partisanship, as you pointed out.
00:07:06.640You know, look, it's all crumbling, Megan, piece by piece by piece.
00:07:11.160We saw, you know, Fannie Willis is booted off the RICO case, and now we have Tish James, and she's got her massive judgment, which really was the thing that she wanted, because this was effectively the death penalty, if it was enforced, perhaps against the Trump organization.
00:07:26.460Interestingly enough, it was grounded in the Eighth Amendment, which we normally see in criminal cases.
00:07:33.820It's not that often you see that in a civil case, because it prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.
00:07:39.980And under the circumstances, a Democrat court of appeals says this is cruel and unusual.
00:07:46.380It starts out with, of course, a case based on nothing.
00:09:24.100And that goes right to the intent to deceive, which is necessary in any fraud case.
00:09:28.520Like, they're not trying to deceive Deutsche Bank.
00:09:31.320They expect Deutsche Bank will go down, you know, their statements of financial condition
00:09:35.380and be very, very careful and look very carefully at all their claims, all their attestations.
00:09:41.760So it was a really preposterous case from the outset.
00:09:45.540And I think, you know, we remember one of the obvious bizarre valuations was to suggest that Mar-a-Lago was worth something like $20 million.
00:09:54.100And Tish James suggested that and said that all of Trump's claims that it was worth half a billion or more were ridiculous.
00:09:59.520Well, no, actually, saying that if you've ever been to Mar-a-Lago or you're familiar with the geography of Palm Beach,
00:10:04.460it's a massive property in one of the most expensive areas for real estate in the entire world.
00:10:11.120It's a unique, totally unique property.
00:10:13.100$20 million would be trivial to purchase it.
00:10:15.800And yet, Tish James' entire theory of the case was that by saying it was worth $20 million when applying for a loan to Deutsche Bank,
00:10:22.620that the Trump organization defrauded Deutsche Bank, an absurd claim on its face.
00:12:40.160We'll see whether she gets away with that or not because she's got a couple of legal problems on her hands with respect to her New York properties,
00:12:46.840with respect to her property down south and the representations she made in order to get more favorable mortgage rates on her loans,
00:12:56.140something she claims she's horrified by when Donald Trump is doing it.
00:13:00.500When Donald Trump is applying for loans and allegedly misstates the value of the assets, she's horrified by it.
00:14:34.220How does it feel to have the president of the United States knowing your name personally and just lifting up the hood a little to see whether you really feel about alleged fraud on banks the way you claimed when you sued him?
00:14:48.240Yeah, she's getting turned about, and she's going to get turned about in about the harshest way imaginable.
00:14:55.100And I think it's really important that she be made an example of what you've shown that series of clips is just appalling from any prosecutor under any circumstances to run for office on the promise of prosecuting an individual without any explanation of the criminal conduct at issue or the people who have been victimized.
00:15:12.540It's just saying you're going to use the law to go after someone, you know, I hear a lot of carping and complaining about Democrats from Democrats rather about the DOJ engaging in lawfare and persecution.
00:15:23.380And sometimes you hear some more weaker Republicans saying, oh, you're going to open Pandora's box.
00:15:28.780And I think the rest of us are just staring at the Pandora's box that's been opened for a decade targeting President Trump and are wondering when people are going to realize what's going on.
00:15:41.260It was clear to court watchers like us that this was how this case was going to come out.
00:15:47.940Anybody who watched the argument before the first department saw that this panel of judges was not sympathetic to Tish James, we've got a montage of questions.
00:16:14.140I want the audience to know only the first judge who you will hear was appointed by a Republican.
00:16:19.600All the other judges on this court were were appointed by Democrats.
00:16:24.520So this is a Democrat court that just found in favor of Donald Trump.
00:16:29.280But here's how the oral argument went a couple of months ago, September of 24.
00:16:34.940Judith Vale for the New York Attorney General's office.
00:16:37.440All of the defendants repeatedly violated.
00:16:39.460Ms. Vale, can you identify any previous case in which the Attorney General sued under Executive Law 6312 to upset a private business transaction that was between equally sophisticated partners,
00:16:53.240where the supposed victim had the ability and legal obligation to discover the allegedly misrepresented matters by conducting its own due diligence,
00:17:03.240where the supposed wrongdoer advised the supposed victim through written disclaimers to conduct its own due diligence and to draw its own conclusions,
00:17:13.080where the alleged misrepresentation almost entirely concerned inherently subjective valuations of properties and businesses.
00:17:20.220And where and where the victim never complained about any fraud in the transaction or losses from it.
00:17:27.140And I want to add to his question and little to no impact on the public marketplace.
00:17:32.380Well, maybe I'll take that first, Your Honor, and work backwards.
00:17:35.380There was absolutely a public impact and a public interest here.
00:17:38.680There are at least four different public harms from the kind of misconduct here.
00:17:42.340The immense penalty in this case is troubling.
00:17:44.520So how do you tether the amount that was assessed by the Supreme Court to the harm that was caused here,
00:17:52.260where the parties left these transactions happy about how things went down?
00:17:57.420Well, disgorgement, Your Honor, looks at taking the gain away from the wrongdoer.
00:18:01.160And although this is a large number, it's a large number for a couple reasons.
00:18:04.800One, because there was a lot of fraud.
00:18:06.100Oh, is it because it was a lot of fraud?
00:18:09.560Here, by the way, Phil, is when it happened, the View's response,
00:18:15.220thinking about the possibility of Tish James seizing Donald Trump's properties throughout New York,
00:18:21.600which is what Tish James has been promising to this day that she's going to do.
00:18:51.040Sonny Huston should have been more worried about her husband's legal troubles and less focused on Donald Trump's.
00:18:56.440As it turns out, all these people wind up revealing themselves.
00:19:00.360Time reveals them, or in her case, their family members, for what they truly are, Phil.
00:19:05.940Well, look, that's what we can expect out of the View because, you know, the View is the View, and we all know what that is.
00:19:12.720But what's more troubling to me is watching this assistant prosecutor from the AG's office make this ridiculous argument to the appeals court
00:19:22.060talking about fraud and disgorgement of ill-gained or ill-gotten gains when there was no actual fraud.
00:19:32.700There was not one nickel that was defrauded from any of these lenders.
00:19:38.180And so the whole thing is just built on a house of cards.
00:19:42.380Ingeron, I think, has some responsibility here, too, because if you're the judge and the trial judge,
00:19:47.720you're supposed to make sure that this kind of farce doesn't happen in your courtroom, but he allowed it, and he was a part of it.
00:19:54.380And so what I want to know is why we are allowing these judges like this and prosecutors like this to stay involved in these cases.
00:20:03.880When Tish James goes out and makes all of these public comments about how she is focusing her efforts specifically on one individual that she is targeting for political reasons,
00:20:15.460how is that prosecutor allowed by the judge to remain on the case?
00:20:20.380Because if that's not bias, if that's not bias, expressed bias, I don't know what is.
00:20:25.860Phil, how many times did we have conversations on this show about Fannie Willis and the number of motions that she was subjected to
00:20:34.040because she made out-of-court statements that were against Trump and the defense team suggesting they were racist,
00:20:43.220they played the race card against her, and that was because she committed ethical violations that they called her out on,
00:20:49.900and then she, in defense of herself, went into a church and tried to suggest they were all racist.
00:20:54.120That became a new basis to potentially disqualify her because you're not allowed to even say something like that,
00:21:00.440never mind campaign on the promise to get just some citizen whose alleged crimes you don't even know exist yet.
00:21:09.680I mean, that's why you say she should be disbarred. I totally agree with you.
00:21:14.900In a rational world, in a rational legal world, a trial judge would not allow either of these prosecutors to stay in the case.
00:21:22.880A simple motion saying, look, judge, this is what she has said publicly about my client.
00:22:36.180We need to have an appellate process that can send a message to prosecutors and to judges and say, look, you can't do this.
00:22:43.880There's rules against it, and these things have teeth.
00:22:46.880Yeah, you can't abuse people like this.
00:22:48.700It was intended to be abusive of Donald Trump, who has just reacted in a very, very long Truth Social post.
00:22:56.660I'm going to read you just my producer's pulling of the highlights.
00:23:01.340Total victory in the fake New York State Attorney General Letitia James case.
00:23:05.780I greatly respect the fact that the court had the courage to throw out this unlawful and disgraceful decision that was hurting business all throughout New York State.
00:23:12.800By the way, that was something verified by Kevin O'Leary, who was saying the chilling effect this is going to have on companies from wanting to do business in New York.
00:23:35.660Trump's prone to hyperbole, but that's actually true.
00:23:38.200Going back to him, every single dollar was thrown out, even the penalties imposed on us by the corrupt judge, one of the most overturned in history, Arthur Engeron.
00:23:47.580I am so honored by Justice David Friedman's great words of wisdom, which should be read by everyone.
00:23:52.760I would also like to thank the court for having the courage to make this decision, which is already going down as one of the worst business persecutions in the history of our country.
00:24:02.700I mean, that's just great, and honestly, good for him.
00:24:05.120And here's a little from David Friedman's opinion that Trump cites.
00:24:09.740The Attorney General, in her 2018 election campaign for her current office, repeatedly promised the voters that her top priority upon being sworn in would be to bring down President Trump and his real estate empire.
00:24:22.260Whatever one may think of President Trump's character and policies, Section 6312 was not enacted for the Attorney General to use as a stick with which to beat the opponents of her political party.
00:24:34.440I mean, Will, from a judge on a New York State appellate court, that's like as vicious and sweeping a condemnation as you can get.
00:24:44.800Yeah, and I think it's really revealing of, you know, this is sort of why President Trump is president now.
00:24:51.780I think if you go back to 2023, this case, along with so many of the other obviously unjust prosecutions of him, I think it really cemented Republican support for President Trump in the primary.
00:25:01.840And I think it's ultimately, you know, he was ultimately vindicated at the ballot box in the first instance before any of this stuff came forward.
00:25:08.600You know, listening to how you guys are talking about this, it just made me think that the actual just result here isn't merely that this gets thrown out.
00:25:15.200It's that the state of New York has to compensate President Trump for his legal fees and his trouble.
00:25:19.900It's really ridiculous that they persecuted him in this way.
00:25:22.440And, you know, maybe he'll pursue an appeal on that front to say that the state of New York needs to cover his costs.
00:25:42.880Yeah, well, if it wasn't Donald Trump, nobody else would have been able to afford to defend themselves in this litigation.
00:25:49.160So she ought to be on the hook personally, financially for this type of specious and egregious malicious prosecution.
00:25:56.900Okay, but now what about the remaining injunctive relief, which has not been stricken?
00:26:01.980And that's one of the reasons why David Friedman, who Trump just praised, he said, I would reverse the judgment entirely and dismiss the complaint.
00:26:10.160There was, I haven't read the whole opinion.
00:26:13.180It's 323 pages, but I think this is a unanimous reversal of the monetary award.
00:26:19.660It's not a unanimous decision on all reasons and how they got there, but it's a unanimous reversal on that monetary award.
00:26:27.080And Justice Friedman said, I'd reverse the whole thing.
00:26:30.960I would dismiss this complaint because the other judges left in place.
00:26:36.100Well, the injunctive relief that Engeron had put in place, I said in the intro, look, compared to 550 million, this is a nothing burger.
00:26:45.040But still, it's kind of bullshit since the whole case is bullshit and it's still standing.
00:26:52.000Engeron, in New York State, you call the trial court the Supreme Court.
00:26:54.600The Supreme Court, one, enjoined Trump and the corporate defendants from applying for loans from many financial institutions chartered by or registered within with the New York State Department of Financial Services for three years.
00:27:06.440Two, barred Trump, Alan Weisselberg, his CFO, and another guy from serving as corporate officers or directors in New York for three years.
00:27:14.540And barred Trump Jr. and Eric Trump from doing so for two years.
00:27:19.500Three, permanently prohibited Weisselberg and the other guy, McHughney, from serving in financial management roles in New York.
00:27:25.060Four, extended the independent monitor's terms for three years so they have an independent monitor overseeing the Trump Organization, which I know they hate.
00:27:32.140And five, required the Trump Organization to retain an independent director of compliance.
00:27:36.540So you tell me whether any of that should stand, which it is.
00:27:39.740I mean, that's grounds alone for him to appeal to the Court of Appeals.
00:27:43.020Yeah, so this is where how bizarre this ruling is.
00:27:46.420And you'll forgive me if I make some errors here because, you know, I had maybe 40 minutes to try and get a sense of what we'll handle on a 300-page judgment.
00:27:53.020But my understanding was it was a 2-2-1.
00:27:55.760And there were actually three judges who would have tossed out any of the findings of liability.
00:28:00.540There were two judges who would have vacated the summary judgment motion and remanded for a new trial.
00:28:05.180And then one judge, Judge Friedman, who would have tossed out the whole thing.
00:28:08.320But my understanding is because those people couldn't agree on what the proper course forward was between a new trial and an outright dismissal, that the two judges who wanted a new trial instead decided to baseline agree with the other two judges and, you know, agree to the finding of liability and to the imposition of injunctive relief, which is very, very weird.
00:28:29.040You know, normally, if you have a majority of judges agreeing that somebody shouldn't be found liable, they aren't.
00:28:37.220So I wouldn't be surprised, therefore, if you see Trump try to appeal this and his co-defendants to try and get all these silly injunctions reversed.
00:28:45.260But, you know, in the grand scheme of things, the most important thing here to get rid of was obviously this gargantuan monetary judgment.
00:29:44.000So the relief to Team Trump in seeing that award go away has got to be huge.
00:29:51.760Nonetheless, they should appeal this, should they not, to the Court of Appeals and say the injunctive relief must also go?
00:29:58.640Well, I've been thinking about that, and I'm not really sure because if I'm representing Trump and I say, look, the whole enchilada or most of it anyway was this gargantuan $500 and some odd million disgorgement order.
00:30:13.980I might just say, look, all right, if the state doesn't appeal, we're not either.
00:30:19.040We're just going to go ahead and take the W.
00:30:21.480But I think it's kind of an academic point because I feel almost certain that despite what might be prudent, I think Letitia James is going to probably appeal, and so there's going to have to be an answer on appeal.
00:30:34.220So I think one way or another this is going up to the New York Court of Appeals, which is their version of the state Supreme Court.
00:30:41.580But if it weren't for the fact that I think James is going to appeal, I might advise my client to just leave the status quo in place because the injunctive relief may be over soon enough anyway, and we can just move on from this.
00:31:14.860Forbes estimates Trump's net worth on paper at $5.1 billion.
00:31:18.600He now has approximately $770 million in liquid assets.
00:31:21.960That's up from approximately $413 million after Angerong's fraud ruling, with the bump largely thanks to the president's cryptocurrency holdings.
00:31:30.600Here, to your point, Will, is what Judge Friedman said.
00:31:34.140He said, like to your point about these other judges upholding the injunctive relief despite wanting to reverse the underlying judgment, like not believing that they had proven the fraud.
00:31:45.420He writes, to draw a sports analogy, it is as if a team is awarded a touchdown without crossing the goal line.
00:31:53.100So there's plenty for the Court of Appeals to chew on.
00:31:55.320But for now, the important thing is it's a big it's a huge Trump win.
00:32:02.980There probably will be an appeal that she will not win.
00:32:06.040The only question is whether Trump can get rid of that injunctive relief and possibly get his fees paid for.
00:32:11.140And now we move on to the portion of the case where Tish James is held to the no one is above the law principle and mortgage fraud is deeply wrong principle.
00:32:22.380And possibly ethical violations potentially brought against her and her law license phase of the story.
00:32:42.420All the law fair against Donald Trump has failed.
00:32:45.160The only thing that actually stuck was that ridiculous defamation case by E. Jean Carroll for her alleged sexual assault, the date of which she couldn't remember.
00:32:57.520That's that's the only thing that stuck.
00:32:59.180OK, everything else Trump has defeated.
00:33:02.840He defeated four criminal cases against him.
00:33:05.780The U.S. Supreme Court wound up issuing a ruling that presidents in their official duties largely have immunity, a hugely consequential ruling.
00:33:14.300And now this massive judgment that was lingering over him, I'm sure casting a cloud over his entire business and family, has been lifted.
00:34:42.120I save it all up until the weekend, and then I listen to it while I'm on my run or sitting under the red light, which is a favorite topic thing for me to do.
00:34:51.980But I feel like she's always there for me, and she's so funny, and her topics are so juicy.
00:34:57.440It's just like a guilty pleasure, but you shouldn't have guilt because this is so fun.
00:35:01.000And we're going to keep it rolling right here, getting into some topics that she's been keeping an eye on for us.
00:35:06.220There is the new CNN documentary on JFK Jr.
00:35:13.340She's got the actual documentary in her book, and we'll talk about that.
00:35:18.140Also, the highly anticipated end of the Sex and the City reboot, and just like that, Maureen's been all over it, plus Jennifer Aniston's new boyfriend, a wellness guru and hypnotherapist.
00:35:30.500I have never heard such inane, empty advice from anyone in my life, and this apparently is doing it for Jennifer Aniston.
00:35:46.340Joining me now, Maureen Callahan, host of The Nerve on the MK Media Podcast Network.
00:35:51.340All you have to do is go into your podcast search bar, type in The Nerve, or go to YouTube and type in The Nerve, and it'll bring up Maureen's show.
00:36:16.000I'm going to tell the audience what they are, so we're not going to talk about them now because the audience probably hasn't done them yet.
00:36:21.700But you recommend it on your show, Gray Gardens.
00:36:25.280It's like a documentary that was done in the 1970s on these two women who are speaking of the Kennedys related to Jackie Kennedy.
00:36:33.000And it was one of the most bizarre, entertaining, crazy two hours I've ever watched on television.
00:37:20.320Okay, and there's more, but I already told people about my life with Ted Bundy or The Stranger Next to Me, which is so good.
00:37:29.140Yes, and, you know, I think about that.
00:37:31.920I'm always sort of reluctant to recommend it because I feel like what if somebody's already read it and they're like, that's such an obvious recommendation.
00:37:39.220But I usually find most people haven't because the author Anne Rule was one of the first females to really do true crime as literature, and she's so underrated.
00:37:48.740And I think so much about this book when following the Kohlberger case.
00:38:01.080And also, I've been thinking about her.
00:38:04.220Now, my dearest friend, she listens to the show every day, Donna.
00:38:07.700Now she's listening to the audio because she heard you and I were talking about it, and now she's texting me her updates on Ted Bundy.
00:38:13.660It's very strange to spend time with Ted Bundy.
00:38:15.780Thankfully, he died in the electric chair, so it has a happy ending.
00:38:18.740But Anne Rule also wrote a book called Small Sacrifices about this woman who killed her three kids, and I've been thinking about that in connection with this horrible case we've been covering on AM Update out of California with this missing baby, Emmanuel Harrow, and how the mother claimed that she was knocked out in a parking lot and someone took her baby.
00:38:44.140And I'm telling you, that case is falling apart.
00:39:09.780And history repeats itself, Maureen, you know?
00:39:11.780So you read these things, and they're interesting.
00:39:14.360And in part, they're interesting because they provide a new window through which for you to see current cases and, sadly, very similar stories.
00:39:22.500Yeah, and, you know, with this, the thing with Bundy is so many, he's got direct descendants who, when they are caught, say, I was influenced by him.
00:39:38.740I learned a lot about how to avoid detection.
00:39:41.860We know Brian Kohlberger was very, very interested in Ted Bundy and had done his reading.
00:39:47.440Being active in that sort of pocket of the country is a similar thing.
00:39:52.580And it's why I hope we continue to get more and more documents, witness interviews, whatever is available about this case.
00:40:02.760I really do think it's not only in the public's best interest, but I think that this case is one that law enforcement and trainees at Quantico should be learning from.
00:40:49.140Who says prisoners don't have a heart?
00:40:51.940I'm sorry, but I'm, like, sitting here watching these reports, Maureen, of what the prisoners are threatening him with and, like, allegedly flooding his cell with overflowing toilets.
00:41:01.100And all I can think is I'd like to shake their hand.
00:41:04.000I want to know who these good prisoners are who are trying to do what the justice system failed to.
00:41:21.440Because all of the inmates in this prison have taken it upon themselves 24-7 to be howling and catcalling through the vents so that he doesn't have a moment's silence.
00:41:36.060And I think that there are active conversations about how long they wait until they just murder him in prison, like how much they can make him suffer, how much he can, how long he'll have to live with that sword hanging over his neck, that he's going to die.
00:41:54.240But they're just figuring out the most painful and lengthy way to make that happen.
00:42:12.240He ended these four people's lives in the prime of their youth while they had no chance to defend themselves, though they tried.
00:42:23.080He stabbed Zanna Karnodal over 50 times as she fought for her life, the deep gashes all over her hands as she tried defensively to put her hands up.
00:42:33.860That's Zanna on the right in the orange blouse, not to mention what he did to Kaylee, who's there right next to Zanna in this photo, who he beat the living daylights out of as she fought to save her life, too.
00:42:47.280I mean, the the stab wounds to their faces, including Maddie's right next to Kaylee in those photos.
00:42:53.640But who gives two shits that he cannot sleep at night or that they are threatening him with sexual assault?
00:43:02.620This guy actually thinks he's checked into a Marriott, Maureen.
00:43:10.360Well, the prisoner report, prison report reads that this prisoner submitted a concern form stating that he, quote, has been subject to threats and harassment recently escalating to overt sexually violent threats and statements.
00:43:23.960He received the concern form on August 4th, 2025, conducted an interview with Kohlberger in J Block, which is where he's housed.
00:43:32.060Kohlberger stated a resident that goes by Peru told him, I'll butt F you.
00:43:37.600Kohlberger also stated an unknown resident from tier one of J Block said the only ass we'll be eating is Kohlberger's.
00:43:44.520Oh, was it scary to feel out of control and in danger?
00:43:52.660You know, to just address the top of what you just said there, I often really relate to the God of the Old Testament, the God of wrath and vengeance.
00:44:04.940And, you know, I think the God of wrath and vengeance would be just fine with what is being meted out to Brian Kohlberger, who has the temerity to complain that he's being sexually harassed.
00:44:17.280When this latest document dump from the authorities contains multiple witness interviews from women who said he was harassing me, he would keep me from exiting rooms by blocking the doorway.
00:44:35.300He had this thing that he loved to do, which was to go to a professor's office at closing time or an eatery, an establishment, whatever, as they're about to close and walk in and keep talking and never stop.
00:44:49.320And this was about power and control and dominance and contempt.
00:45:25.320She's referring here to the supplemental reports that we're getting.
00:45:29.080Well, they're not supplemental, but to some of the reports that the police took while investigating this case that we're just now seeing.
00:45:34.460Thanks to the lifting of the gag order.
00:45:36.500And that was my reaction, too, which is like, how did it take Washington University anything more than a beat when these murders happened to say, I know who did it?
00:45:49.740I guarantee you, you should at least be questioning this guy, Brian Kohlberger, who, you know, we are 10 miles away.
00:45:56.580And speaking of Ted Bundy, all of his original murders happened in Washington state.
00:46:00.740I do wonder whether that's why Brian Kohlberger went out to Washington state for his Ph.D.
00:47:12.040And then there's this one thing in the report where the the the complaints reached such a crescendo.
00:47:17.580And I really think this is a direct result of this coddling culture that we have in America that seems very stubborn.
00:47:24.940The complaints about Koberger alone reached such a crescendo that the university decided that they were going to hold a group meeting for all of the students about what constituted appropriate behavior, even though it was only directed at one person.
00:47:40.340Brian Koberger sat in the back of that classroom the entire time with his head in his hands, staring at the ceiling.
00:47:48.080Why was there not a direct come to Jesus with Brian Koberger?
00:47:51.260You knock this off or we're kicking you out of school.
00:47:54.200You'll get a tuition refund and security will make sure you never show your face again.
00:48:01.020It's like they knew they had a problem.
00:48:03.420When I was reading these documents, my first thought was that I heard Steve Gonsalves say he wasn't planning, at least immediately after the verdict or not the verdict, but the plea deal on suing the University of Idaho, you know, for not for failing to keep the students safe.
00:48:19.360And they were living in an off campus housing area anyway.
00:48:22.560But but now I'm wondering whether he should consider a lawsuit against the University of Washington, where Koberger was.
00:48:55.360It's the gift of fear, per Gavin DeBecker.
00:48:57.900And you would do well to listen to it.
00:49:01.360It's it's like a superpower not to be ignored, but to be thankful for and to listen to.
00:49:08.240And had they done that and ejected this guy from the University of Washington, it's not too far to say those four kids might still be alive today.
00:49:32.060It's not like he was a philosophy major or a liberal.
00:49:35.920We're talking about a criminology department.
00:49:38.080And when they minimize this, right, and they just put all of these, you know, you read that there were HR reports about this and it's got all that kind of HR sanded down language, you know, just to make it mean nothing.
00:54:37.120This is how CNN is going to try to, like, get their ratings back up.
00:54:40.960George Clooney is, you know, yesterday's news.
00:54:44.300So let's exhume the body, or what remained of the body, of JFK Jr.
00:54:49.840And then let's get people who, like, they're talking heads on this thing,
00:54:54.400who know nothing and had no connection to JFK Jr. or Carolyn Bessette or any of the Kennedys who are sitting there opining as if they're experts.
00:55:04.920So it's a total FU to the viewing audience.
00:55:08.720And then you have, like, my favorite Kennedy-adjacent person of all time.
00:55:12.720We did a whole segment on Carol Radswell.
00:55:45.900She married in to the Bouvier side, okay?
00:55:48.820There's no Kennedy blood in the Radswell bloodline.
00:55:53.060And Carol, I think, from all of my reporting on John and Carolyn, these two were masters at making people feel they were closer to them than they really were.
00:56:05.240So Carol Radswell, late of Real Housewives of New York, has been going around town since they died, saying, Carolyn was my best friend.
00:58:47.480Even, like, an image makeover, that she wasn't, like, this effortlessly chic, elegant person before she realized she might have the chance to date him.
00:58:59.280No, she really went about, like, one of her friends told me that Carolyn hated exercise, hated it, and that she would hide that she went to this ballet bar class uptown.
00:59:38.340So, now, none of that will be in the CNN documentary because they feel like they're just going to do American prince and princess, this is royalty, they're Kennedys, obviously Democrats.
00:59:48.640We will not be getting similar treatment for Ivanka Trump or Melania Trump.
00:59:52.960And you've got this Carol Radswell, who's, I mean, all you had to say was real housewife alum to know exactly what we're dealing with here, who's running around in this documentary and elsewhere trying to pretend like she's the expert.
01:00:06.380Meanwhile, everything she's saying totally contradicts with what you've reported based on people who actually spent a lot of time with these two.
01:00:12.900Yeah, I have to wonder what Carolyn's really close friends think of this one, running her mouth at any given opportunity.
01:00:22.600And I'm very, I'm going to be watching the final episode this weekend with a very, very surgical eye because they're going to cover the deaths.
01:00:31.200And they're going to cover, and I think this is, I think transcends pop culture.
01:00:35.900I think this is a very sick, sick thing for the body politic in America, and it's the reason why people distrust mainstream legacy news outlets.
01:00:46.120On the nerve on Tuesday, we're going to be talking about what those deaths really looked like.
01:01:01.400This isn't the stuff of Zeus striking down Icarus, who flew too close to the sun.
01:01:07.100This was done by a guy with a death wish that is well chronicled, and not just a death wish for himself.
01:01:13.980But as I wrote about in the book, he had a longtime girlfriend who he almost killed, I'm going to say at least three times, at least three times.
01:01:22.280Yeah, no, you write about the, I remember the kayaking incident where she had like a broken leg and she really wasn't supposed to go out in the kayak, but they went anyway.
01:01:33.600And then they had a hideous accident that seriously injured her.
01:01:37.580And with the plane crash, too, he had been warned not to go.
01:01:42.600Experienced pilots who were at the airport had decided not to take their planes up that day.
01:01:48.280He knew he didn't have the experience.
01:01:50.480He did it anyway with his bride, with his bride's sister, because truly he had some sort of a death wish.
01:01:58.500He had some sort of a sickness that continued to push him to do deeply reckless things.
01:02:07.100I mean, not only that, here's what we never hear about.
01:02:10.020And it boggles my mind because if you're just, if you're in journalism and you're interested in a story and a good story, you would never excise a detail such as this.
01:02:20.600That night, before he crashed that plane into the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, en route, he nearly smashed into a packed American Airlines commercial jetliner on his descent to, ironically, Kennedy Airport.
01:02:35.440And there were 226 souls on that plane.
01:02:38.580And if it were not for the quick thinking of those experienced commercial pilots, he would have slammed into that plane and killed hundreds of people.
01:02:46.940But we're still going to pretend he's America's prince.
01:02:53.100And like the rewriting of his career as a, quote, journalist, you know, how they're going to have, I guess, whatever, we're going to revisit George as one of the greatest creations ever.
01:03:06.400And, you know, you've been, I know you've pointed out, like, he wasn't, it wasn't.
01:03:11.580He had blinders on when it came to anything Kennedy.
01:03:15.240And let's face it, this being America, Kennedy relations touch a lot of our modern day stories.
01:03:20.480And certainly when he was running this magazine that he launched.
01:03:24.080The weird thing to me, so there are two fascinating things to me.
01:03:27.200One is, so they're lionizing him as this, like, visionary.
01:03:30.240We saw the blending of, okay, whatever.
01:20:57.040And the other thing that I always find fascinating, Mel Robbins was coming out of a major depression when she struck on this self-help stuff.
01:21:03.780She was in a ton of debt, like a ton of debt.
01:21:06.700I don't even know how she racked up that amount of debt.
01:21:36.700It's not the same as taking advice from somebody who's actually accomplished something in the real world and then says, hey, this is something I've learned.
01:22:40.480Okay, so that's Jennifer, and good luck to her.
01:22:42.600I want to talk about The Biggest Loser because there's a Netflix documentary out about this hugely popular show.
01:22:50.680Maureen actually has a direct connection to this story, and we'll play you some sound bites, and we will go there right after this quick, quick break.
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01:25:03.120Here with me today, Maureen Callahan, host of The Nerve with Maureen Callahan.
01:25:08.080I want to tell you that, just a programming note, today in the California courtroom, Eric Menendez is making the push to be, or I guess proceeding, to be paroled early.
01:25:20.300And tomorrow, Lyle Menendez will make the same push.
01:25:23.360Our friends over at MK True Crime include Mark Garagos, who's representing the Menendez brothers.
01:25:29.100They're going to have a special episode tonight, which will drop tomorrow morning.
01:25:32.740So go ahead and sign up for MK True Crime so you can hear all the coverage of whether these two guys are going to be released early from prison.
01:25:50.780I totally see your point of, like, this is like Justice by Kim Kardashian, like a stupid, made-up Ryan Murphy documentary winds up getting two kids out of prison, or they're not kids anymore, after a brutal murder where they were absolutely just completely awful.
01:26:08.440I mean, the torture they put their parents through.
01:26:11.880But the other side is they've served for a long time.
01:26:16.460And I don't know if, like, do two people kill their kids or kill their parents if, like, their parents aren't totally awful?
01:26:24.100Like, I believe Jose Menendez did molest them.
01:26:26.740And Kitty Menendez, I don't know, she probably looked the other way.
01:27:10.240I mean, I remember, I reread a lot of the Dominic Dunn coverage of this as well.
01:27:15.400They said that night when the police came to investigate that they were both shocked that they weren't arrested that night, that there was so much physical evidence.
01:27:23.380When the medical examiner went over to Jose Menendez's body, his brain fell out of his skull.
01:27:42.520If I am a victim of sexual violence at the hands of a parent, and I feel the only way I can get rid of this is to kill said parent, but I'm not in my soul and my heart a killer, I think that would torment me.
01:27:56.280I think I would be out of my mind, and these two went shopping and kept telling lies, and I don't think that they felt remorse at all.
01:28:15.020I feel my physical safety is immortal.
01:28:17.860It wasn't any of that, and they continue to break the rules all the time in prison, which to me says those are criminal minds.
01:28:24.560They're criminal minds, so I'm against it.
01:28:27.740I think it's probably going to happen, but we'll follow it, and Mark Eregles will be on it along with our other legal panel tonight, so tune in.
01:28:35.740Go ahead and download MK True Crime, and you will hear their thoughts, and he actually knows them and represents them, so you'll get first-hand analysis of it.
01:28:42.680Okay, let's talk about The Biggest Loser.
01:28:44.840There's a Netflix documentary on The Biggest Loser, a series I have to admit I never watched.
01:56:15.120Because I think Sarah Jessica Parker prides herself on being like this pro woman.
01:56:19.540You know, she's a modern day feminist.
01:56:21.340It's like, then why would you be partnering with that Michael Patrick King?
01:56:24.720And I heard you point this out and I thought it was equally offensive.
01:56:28.520Like the ejaculate, like getting all over Charlotte in the one episode.
01:56:34.620It's like there are so many demeaning moments to women in his work product.
01:56:39.560Like, if you're all about that, why are you partnering with him?
01:56:42.820Why are you allowing scenes like that?
01:56:44.720Those things actually really are diminishing.
01:56:48.080So is it fine if it's padding your pocket or how, what is the ethical standard?
01:56:54.100I actually think that she is, she's a very mean, unhappy woman.
01:56:58.680I mean, the character that was forced to make the prat fall into the condom filled with ejaculate was Charlotte, played by Kristen Davis, who is also considered one of the true beauties of the show.
01:57:10.900And I think that SJP gets off on punishing them, you know, in the final or the first Sex in the City movie, the plot line for Samantha was she was so happy in L.A. coupled up with her much younger, gorgeous, successful boyfriend that she allowed herself to gain five pounds.
01:57:29.020And when she shows up in New York, the Sarah Jessica Parker character reacts with horror.
01:57:35.260And the rumored reported reason that Kim Cattrall wanted nothing to do with this reboot was the storyline that her character would have had to endure was that Miranda's then teenage son, Brady, had begun a sexting relationship with a 50 something Samantha.
01:57:52.500And Samantha, to put it delicately, did not have a problem with it.
01:58:30.680Have you watched on, I think it's on Netflix, who knows where we watch it anymore?
01:58:35.720Like you get to the home screen of your TV and now there's a search button and you type in the name of the movie that's been recommended to you.
01:58:43.300And it pops up and then you don't know what app you're watching it on.
01:58:45.980But in any event, it is called The Better Sister.
02:00:36.300Yeah, she was like, this isn't going to necessarily win an Oscar, but it's just sort of a fun two hours of like, you know, romantic comedy.
02:00:53.420Every movie you just listed, and I haven't seen Jagged Edge, but you're talking like 1980s.
02:00:59.640No, I know, I have holes, but like the thrillers in the 80s were so great.
02:01:05.160I don't know what was in the water supply, but homicidal maniac, like it was, but like really well-groomed, successful homicidal maniacs, like presumed innocence the same way.
02:01:16.300Oh my God, one of the greatest movies ever made.