The Megyn Kelly Show - July 28, 2026


Kohberger Claims He's INNOCENT, and Harry and Meghan's Royal Thirst, with Howard Blum, Mark Geragos, Ashleigh Merchant, and Dan Wootton | Ep. 1369


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00:03:58.140 but first major news in the Brian Kohlberger case. We were here together when the now 31 year
00:04:05.780 old pleaded guilty last year to the 2022 murders of four University of Idaho students at their
00:04:14.120 residence near campus. Here's that moment from July 2nd, 2025, before Judge Stephen
00:04:21.380 Hippler, H-I-P-P-L-E-R. Murder in the first degree as it relates to the murder of Madison
00:04:28.800 Mogan. How do you plead guilty or not guilty? Guilty. As to count three, as it relates to
00:04:34.260 murder in the first degree for the murder of Kaylee Gonsalves, how do you plead? Guilty or not guilty?
00:04:38.280 Guilty. As to count four, the first degree murder of Zanuck Karnodal, pardon me, a human being,
00:04:46.640 how do you plead? Guilty or not guilty? Guilty. As to count five, the first degree murder of
00:04:52.460 Ethan Chapin, a human being, how do you plead? Guilty or not guilty? Guilty.
00:04:56.520 There it is. That's him on camera saying he's guilty. He's now changed his mind, however,
00:05:06.520 petitioning the court yesterday to withdraw his guilty plea so that he can now get a new trial.
00:05:12.320 In a handwritten affidavit, Kohlberger claims he received ineffective assistance of counsel,
00:05:18.600 writing that he, quote, was convinced to falsely confess to capital murder and felony
00:05:24.700 burglary by coercion, disinformation, false promises, and withholding of exculpatory discovery.
00:05:34.680 Kohlberger also giving an interview of sorts to the New York Times, reportedly calling the
00:05:39.920 reporter named Mike Baker collect from prison, where he said he had a, quote, absolute claim
00:05:47.120 of innocence. Kohlberger also delivering a written statement to the Times, where he writes,
00:05:53.540 quote, justice was not served in his case, that it was, quote, circumnavigated by a broken
00:06:01.200 plea. We'll get into that phrase broken plea a little later, explaining what it appears to mean.
00:06:07.400 Almost four years after the murders, the Kohlberger case continues to be of immense
00:06:12.280 interest to the nation to the point where this news broke late yesterday. And it just so happens
00:06:18.920 that tomorrow a new Netflix series is set to debut on this entire case. Here's a bit of the trailer.
00:06:48.920 Hi, my name is Zanna Kronodal.
00:06:53.200 You can shave, baby.
00:06:54.120 Kaylee Gonzalez.
00:06:55.080 Say hi, Maddie.
00:06:56.160 Maddie and Kaylee were like sisters.
00:06:57.880 I love you.
00:06:59.340 Zanna and Ethan were so cute together.
00:07:01.840 Just made a lot of sense.
00:07:05.060 I would have never believed what occurred in that house that night.
00:07:08.900 It was absolutely horrific.
00:07:10.580 We were waiting for an arrest.
00:07:12.280 There was no information.
00:07:13.500 We had a thousand questions.
00:07:15.060 We were all together and then Maddie left with Kaylee to go to the club.
00:07:18.920 I heard her scream because she saw someone.
00:07:26.180 Why these kids and this house?
00:07:32.200 A lot to unpack here. We're going to bring in our Kelly's Court panel in a moment. But first, 0.99
00:07:37.620 someone who knows more about this case than just about anyone, Howard Bloom,
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00:08:43.160 to see Kohlberger's own hand writing this motion to get his guilty plea withdrawn.
00:08:50.840 Not really. It was just a matter of time before he wanted to get back into the spotlight. And
00:08:56.820 we all saw the pleadings last year. He was just setting the stage for this. The chickens have
00:09:03.140 come home to roost. When the prosecutor didn't ask for an allocution, when they didn't have
00:09:08.500 the questions that still remain demand answers as to why did this happen? Why this house? Why
00:09:15.060 these kids? Well, it just sets the stage for Kohlberger's next move. I believe at this moment
00:09:21.560 he's sitting in his cell laughing and planning out his next move after this.
00:09:28.260 What do you think led to this? I mean, do you think he's been in prison for a year now? He
00:09:32.340 just can't stand the conditions? Or what do you think? I think, yes, he clearly can't stand the
00:09:37.460 conditions, and that's pretty good. At least that's somewhat gratifying, I would think,
00:09:42.940 to the families of the victims. But he's been playing this very carefully. He cozied up to his
00:09:50.880 defense team. He let them put their hands around him in court, and then he pleads guilty. And yet
00:09:58.160 he now is able to turn on them. He's able to say that they betrayed him. He has no compunctions
00:10:05.580 about this. And I think he's waiting very carefully. As I said before, he has a real
00:10:11.720 power. He's the only one, the only one who knows what happened that night. And he's going to play
00:10:18.120 that power for what it's worth. The time will come when he reveals more. It will be a slow process.
00:10:25.080 He's going to let it all spill out carefully until he gets up to his big reveal. And what's
00:10:30.440 his big reveal? Well, it's something you and I have discussed before. I believe that there was
00:10:35.240 an accomplice. And I think the facts point in that direction. I mean, this this would be such
00:10:40.720 a huge bombshell. It would rattle the country if that were true. But I know this isn't just
00:10:46.420 Howard Bloom speculation. You have very good reasons for believing he actually may have had
00:10:52.980 somebody commit this crime with him. And Brian Kohlberger may even have been in the assistant
00:11:00.300 position when it came to these four murders as opposed to the lead.
00:11:04.720 Yes, I believe that, you know, Kohlberger didn't have an accomplice. He, in fact, was the
00:11:10.680 accomplice. But, you know, how do I come to that conclusion? I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm
00:11:16.920 a reporter by training, worked at the New York Times for many years. I believe in facts. And
00:11:22.880 these facts just don't add up. This is what brought us to this present juncture. Let's look
00:11:29.900 for starters, quite simply, at the timeline. Four people were killed, two different floors of the
00:11:36.000 house, within nine to ten minutes. And then you get the forensic reports. One person was stabbed
00:11:42.160 54 times, another one 32 times. Two people fought back. Noses were broken. There was real carnage.
00:11:51.620 It would be impossible for one person to have done that within the nine to ten minute frame
00:11:56.660 in a dark house on two floors, a house where he had never been in before, according to the
00:12:02.280 prosecutor. There was also a question about whether there had been attempts to clean up
00:12:07.500 the crime scene. And if that had happened, there's a serious question about how on earth
00:12:13.720 he possibly could have done that in that limited time frame.
00:12:17.300 Exactly. I mean, there's also a question of where the bodies stage. There's questions that
00:12:22.100 bodies were actually moved. Who did that? Could he have killed these poor four young victims and
00:12:28.340 then move bodies, clean up afterwards? There's so many unanswered questions. And this case
00:12:34.460 should not have gone to a plea deal without these questions being resolved. And as I said,
00:12:39.560 now these chickens are coming home to roost and Koberger is going to try to exploit it as best he
00:12:45.000 can. Howard, you reported that the knife sheath, which has been the subject of so many reports and
00:12:51.620 so much speculation, did have Kohlberger's touch DNA on the snap, as we've known for quite some
00:12:57.600 time. But you reported not long ago that there was another person's DNA on the knife sheath
00:13:07.340 and that there was another person's DNA throughout the house in a couple of spots,
00:13:13.540 male DNA, unknown DNA. We have never compared, but go on, explain what you're talking about.
00:13:19.240 There is a spot of male DNA. That was never followed up by the authorities because, well,
00:13:25.940 you don't ask questions when you don't want to know the answers. They had zeroed in
00:13:29.540 on Koberger. They thought he was their man, so they did not want to find out what this
00:13:34.600 possibly could mean. It might complicate their case. Then there was other male DNA found in the
00:13:41.520 house on a stairwell and also on a glove outside the house. And again, these have never been
00:13:48.200 examined. And there's been never a very convincing, at least to me, explanation about why these weren't
00:13:54.280 examined. And this sets the stage for doubts. We have a large vacuum. And the prosecution before,
00:14:02.440 as I said at the beginning of this, could have cleared everything up at the beginning
00:14:06.840 by demanding answers if Kohlberger wants his plea deal. Now Kohlberger will drag this all out,
00:14:13.000 Dropping pieces of information, I believe, over the over the years ahead, bit by bit, as he builds up to his great reveal when he gets completely bored.
00:14:23.440 I mean, it's really like we're getting into this now because he's demanding to withdraw his guilty plea.
00:14:28.800 He wants a trial. He says he understands that puts the death penalty back on the table.
00:14:32.600 He doesn't care. And of course, we're going to bring in our lawyers in a minute.
00:14:36.940 And many lawyers responded with a laugh to this petition, saying this is a this is a frustrated, unhappy life sentence guy who's just trying to get a get out of jail free pass for a few weeks or maybe even a day for a hearing.
00:14:51.160 But we we would like to actually look at whether the guy has a shot, you know, whether he does have evidence that could be considered if he if he's able to convince the court he does deserve another shot.
00:15:04.700 And that's where you come in, because you've been taking a fair look at what's out there.
00:15:08.740 What he's claiming in his motion, Howard, is that Ethan Chapin, one of his victims, had a clump of hair in his hand at the time he was killed and that this was not shared with him, Brian Kohlberger, by his counsel.
00:15:25.300 Now, we have reason to dispute that, but that's one of the main reasons he's claiming he deserves a new trial.
00:15:30.240 Right. And that the clump of hair was, they never tested the DNA of that hair, but they did make a presumption based on scientific evidence that that bit of hair belonged to Ethan, had come from his sheets or whatever.
00:15:46.180 But again, this is one of the many questions that the government, the prosecution, never tried to answer because they did not want to know the answers.
00:15:55.820 They had their case. And from the very beginning, they wanted it just to go away. Just the way they tore down the murder house. They couldn't wait to get it leveled, turn that house into a concrete lot. They wanted to concrete this whole thing over. And now Brian Koberger, stuck in jail, bored, unhappy with his surroundings, unhappy with the choices, is now going to torment them once again. Bit by bit, I believe he's going to start revealing things.
00:16:22.100 there is an author named christopher whitcomb a former fbi agent who came out with a book
00:16:27.960 in april about the kohlberger case and he highlighted this issue of the hair in ethan's
00:16:34.240 hand when ethan died and he reported that ethan had a closed fist that had relaxed slightly
00:16:42.180 and that they found this hair in his hand about six inches in length that it was dark blonde
00:16:49.240 light brown with a reddish tint, that Brian Kohlberger's hair does not fit any of these
00:16:54.420 characteristics, and that more of the same hair was found by a defense expert in blood
00:16:59.760 on a bed frame two years after the murders.
00:17:03.740 It was never even taken as evidence by authorities and tested at all, ever.
00:17:08.800 What appears to have happened is a defense expert named Brent Turvey apparently was going
00:17:17.700 to testify to this or found this. He's spoken, we believe, to Christopher Whitcomb, who's written a
00:17:23.800 book based in part on what Brent Turvey, the would-be defense expert, told him. And Brian
00:17:29.140 Kohlberger has clearly read this book or heard Christopher Whitcomb on his press tour because
00:17:34.200 now he comes forward saying, oh my God, there was hair in Ethan Chapin's hand that didn't match me
00:17:39.400 or Ethan or anyone at the crime scene. So how could I not have been told this? And yet, Howard,
00:17:45.580 what we have is an affidavit that was submitted by the defense in this case prior to the plea.
00:17:53.980 It was dated June 6th, 2025. A stipulated motion to the admission of additional exhibits as
00:18:01.400 evidence at trial comes now Brian Kohlberger by and through his attorneys of record and hereby
00:18:06.620 submits to the court stipulation to the defense's admission of two additional exhibits described for
00:18:10.700 the record as Exhibit D-1062 and FBI Lab Report 4. And what item number three is, is debris from
00:18:20.300 right hand of Ethan J. Chapin. So he's going to have a tough time, Howard, convincing a court
00:18:25.880 that he didn't know anything about that hair since he submitted it to the court in an exhibit
00:18:32.180 dated June 6, 2025. And also the defense mitigates that hair. The defense introduced evidence by one
00:18:40.440 of their experts saying that hair could be traced to Chapin. But there is a lot in that book that
00:18:46.320 needs to be addressed. There's a lot in that book that is important. It raises many questions. It
00:18:52.440 raises, again, questions about the timeline. It raises, again, the lack of motive. The prosecution
00:18:59.580 would like you to believe that he just picked this house at random. You don't go into a house
00:19:04.900 and random when you see five cars parked in front. You've just seen a delivery of food at 4 a.m. so
00:19:11.100 you know someone's awake. You don't go up the staircase that isn't where it wouldn't be your
00:19:19.260 natural entry into the house. You're going to a specific bedroom. He does all this and we don't
00:19:25.040 know why. There's one person who does know why and that's Brian Koberger and in time he's going to
00:19:30.220 reveal this. But again, it's going to be a steady drop of information. He's going to torment us,
00:19:35.800 play with us. He's going to play with the families of the victims.
00:19:41.000 Howard, on the subject of the timeline, you know, according to the prosecution,
00:19:45.580 he entered the second floor sliding glass door when he committed these murders at approximately
00:19:50.880 4.07 a.m. His car was seen speeding away from the neighborhood at 4.20 a.m., which left him
00:19:57.260 13 minutes. You reported that Moscow police performed two reenactments of this, two test
00:20:05.500 runs, if you will. And on each occasion, the officers demonstrated that one killer could
00:20:10.060 indeed accomplish four fatal stabbings within the allotted time. But you write, this does not take
00:20:15.680 into consideration the time that would have elapsed after the killer walked out of the sliding
00:20:21.840 kitchen door, that the timeline is actually shorter than 13 minutes and does leave us with
00:20:28.540 questions about whether one person could have committed the crimes in that time.
00:20:32.360 Also, the Moscow police who did this test, they had been in the house before. They knew the house.
00:20:38.320 There's no proof the Coburg was ever there. They did the house in daylight, not in darkness. And
00:20:43.780 they certainly, the test they did just involved stabbing the victims once or twice, not the 54
00:20:50.980 times in one case, the 32 times in another case, and then beating the person so severely that her
00:20:58.080 face was unrecognizable. And also the prosecutor has said that it's very likely another weapon
00:21:03.580 was used. They didn't do any of this in their tests. Their tests were really not sufficient.
00:21:11.240 They raised more questions than they answered. Right, because you, in a piece you've done,
00:21:17.000 all you're reporting is at airmail and it's excellent. And, and you dropped this not a few
00:21:21.400 months ago, but you, you went through how Zanna was stabbed more than 50 times and had many
00:21:27.900 defensive wounds. She fought back. Kaylee Gonsalves was stabbed more than 20 times. Her family says
00:21:32.960 34 times. She also fought back and that his response was ferocious and brutal. There was
00:21:39.160 evidence of asphyxia injuries, meaning she had been strangled, perhaps gagged. There were blunt
00:21:44.780 forced trauma injuries. Her nose had been broken, her face beaten beyond recognition.
00:21:49.520 Madison Mogan and Ethan Chapin were both stabbed multiple times. And there's a question about
00:21:54.620 whether that level of carnage could have been done by one person in nine minutes or whether
00:22:01.920 there was somebody else potentially involved. And Howard, did you ask somebody connected with
00:22:09.500 the case about whether there was an accomplice? You reported about one knowledgeable official who
00:22:16.080 did not want to be identified in what this person told you. I've asked many people involved in the
00:22:20.920 case, do you think there is an accomplice? And what they'll say on and off the record,
00:22:25.260 the closest you'll get on the record is, we just don't want to revisit it. This is over and done
00:22:30.660 with. And yet they will say off the record, there are a lot of doubts. We still have doubts,
00:22:36.600 but we just wanted it to go away. I mean, the people of Idaho, the taxpayers have paid $8.5
00:22:42.480 million, according to the estimates in the local newspapers for this case. And yet they really
00:22:48.540 have not got the answers they deserve or that the families deserve.
00:22:54.380 Right. I mean, you were reporting that the guy said, quote, if we said there was an accomplice,
00:22:59.940 we'd look like fools for negotiating the plea bargain. The truth is we made a deal to avoid
00:23:04.660 the time and expense of a trial, but there is a lot we don't know or that we will ever know.
00:23:11.920 Okay. Thank you so much, Howard. We appreciate all of your great reporting. We're going to bring in
00:23:16.560 our legal panel in one second, but I just want to tell you, let me give you a little highlight of
00:23:20.220 what he writes. First of all, he gave this statement to the New York Times and it reads
00:23:24.200 as follows. Over a year later, this is Brian Kohlberger writing. It is self-evident that in
00:23:29.380 state v. Kohlberger, justice was not served. Unanswered questions seem to multiply with each
00:23:35.160 piece of discovery unsealed, and the public demands the truth. Unfortunately, the truth
00:23:40.280 shall never be derived from the state's myopic narrative, a work of fiction which has yet to
00:23:45.520 evolve since the PCA, that's the probable cause affidavit, was released nearly four years ago,
00:23:51.160 and its faulty premises were never challenged at trial. I mean, why was that again? Why was the
00:23:58.800 state's premise, not challenged a trial. Oh yeah, because you pleaded guilty. You decided to waive
00:24:03.440 your right to a trial. You had that right and you decided not to do it. You didn't want to take the
00:24:07.500 risk. This is ridiculous. He makes it sound like someone forced the settlement upon him, which is 0.99
00:24:11.860 in fact what he seems to be suggesting happened. Circumnavigated, as I read this earlier, by a
00:24:17.020 broken plea, suggesting that it was broken, I guess, by the prosecution. The trial never provided
00:24:23.500 the public the clarity conducive to closure, and justice shall remain abjectly miscarried
00:24:30.040 unless that plea is withdrawn.
00:24:32.680 I hereby declare my intention to enter a not guilty plea and welcome the state the opportunity
00:24:39.760 to prove their case at trial, as well as to again file for the death penalty.
00:24:44.960 My actual innocence is my truth, and the plea hinged on by false promises and blatant disinformation must be withdrawn.
00:24:58.400 Now, there he seems to be referring to the defense lawyer, having allegedly provided false promises and blatant disinformation.
00:25:04.280 I'll tell you what he's saying in one second.
00:25:06.320 Thank you for all who believe in my innocence and continue to critically analyze the case.
00:25:11.340 I send my love to my family who have never wavered in their belief in who I am, comma,
00:25:18.080 their belief in my innocence.
00:25:19.700 They haven't?
00:25:20.980 Really?
00:25:22.100 Um, that's news.
00:25:23.860 Then he reiterated in a phone call from prison in Idaho that he had an, quote, absolute claim
00:25:30.180 of innocence to the New York Times.
00:25:33.140 Okay, again, we'll get into the specifics of why he's claiming he was made false promises
00:25:37.800 and provided with blatant disinformation,
00:25:40.660 apparently by his defense lawyer, Ann Taylor. 0.92
00:25:43.060 I want to bring in two of our Kelly's Court favorites,
00:25:44.940 Mark Garagos, who is co-host of In the Well,
00:25:47.740 along with Matt Murphy.
00:25:49.220 And Ashley Merchant is here as well.
00:25:50.840 She's co-host of the MK True Crime Show.
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00:26:03.080 Guys, thank you so much for being here.
00:26:04.580 So this is actually pretty interesting
00:26:06.660 to see in his own hand, his attempted descriptions of how he claims he was lied to by Ann Taylor,
00:26:16.060 his defense attorney.
00:26:17.140 He's got all sorts of insinuations, I guess is the best way to put it.
00:26:21.900 For example, he says, plea not knowingly, I'm looking at his handwriting, or voluntarily
00:26:27.100 entered because it was induced by unkept promises.
00:26:31.100 plea not voluntary entered because of threats asserted by petitioners legal counsel and then
00:26:39.060 he goes on to say the following failure to disclose of or review exculpatory evidence i.e
00:26:47.660 unknown hair in chapin's hand during plea discussions b that was a b counsel's insistence
00:26:55.100 that petitioner's plea need not be truthful despite petitioner's vehement denial of actual
00:27:02.340 guilt. C, promises made by counsel regarding LWAP, life without parole status. So in other words,
00:27:12.420 promises made by counsel regarding my life without parole status. And then in parentheses,
00:27:17.040 Cece writes, i.e., immediate contact visits, freedom of movement, employment, end parens, semicolon, and elaborate lies of death row life.
00:27:33.600 That's about as much detail as he provides.
00:27:36.780 Ashley Merchant, you're shaking your head no.
00:27:38.820 Why? 1.00
00:27:39.100 He's lost his damn mind. 1.00
00:27:40.860 Like, what is he thinking? 1.00
00:27:42.240 I mean, they didn't promise him contact visits.
00:27:44.600 no lawyer is going to promise an inmate contact visits when they're serving life without parole
00:27:49.320 for multiple homicides. That's just nuts. That is him Monday morning quarterbacking his decision
00:27:54.340 that he made when he was faced with the death penalty and he had a really good deal and his
00:27:59.220 lawyers did a really good job getting rid of the death penalty. And he's just having sour grapes
00:28:03.440 at this point. And I hope that they give him a hearing so that his lawyers can take the stand
00:28:07.760 because this, this waives privilege. So once he claims this, the lawyers now can get up there and
00:28:12.740 they can talk about that conversation and they can say exactly what happened and what he was
00:28:17.120 talking about. But I think this is just sour grapes. He is bored. He wants something that
00:28:21.640 he never could get, which is a much better prison sentence, a much better gig. And he just wants to
00:28:26.580 stay relevant. OK, here's the problem. I mean, there's multiple problems here, Mark, but this
00:28:33.200 is one of them. This is what he said to the judge last summer. Are you pleading guilty because you
00:28:38.260 are guilty yes this that's tough to get over so there is a doctrine ashley knows it well i think
00:28:48.260 it's i always forget if it's alfred versus north carolina north carolina versus alfred where
00:28:53.600 you can enter a plea and there are state variations of that california we call it
00:28:59.800 people versus west you say it's in my best interest in this case i entered this i'm still
00:29:05.360 maintain my innocence, but I'm going to enter the plea because I don't want to be put to death.
00:29:11.420 He is not articulating that. And what you just showed is a problem for that. He could have
00:29:18.540 insisted as part of his plea deal that I wanted this, I want a so-called Alford plea, which he
00:29:25.120 did not do. That's number one. Number two, be careful what you wish for, because I watched an
00:29:31.920 interview with one of the victim's fathers last night and he basically welcomed a trial and you
00:29:40.260 might remember Steve Gonsalves and he also mentioned the fact that they were not really
00:29:47.380 consulted when this plea agreement came and they thought that the prosecution did a horrific job
00:29:52.620 in fact a lot of the things he was saying last night to some degree bolster this request to set
00:30:01.240 it aside i mean this case in taken and this filing if you will which looks like a really bad
00:30:08.560 chat gpt filing taken on its own it would have zero traction but if you have the victims coming
00:30:16.040 in and under a marcy's law or they make the the claim that they were never consulted and that
00:30:24.200 they didn't have a voice here i could see where they would some judge would give them the
00:30:29.240 opportunity to be heard. And I don't think it's a high likelihood, but somebody might say, okay,
00:30:35.040 I've got both sides agreeing that they want a trial. Let's give them a trial. You know,
00:30:40.460 ironically- Steve Gonsalves has been objecting to that plea from the beginning. There's been
00:30:45.340 some question about whether at least one of the other four victims' family has objected. And there
00:30:51.760 was some, at least like the two that reportedly said they were okay with it. There's been some
00:30:57.200 questions since the plea deal about whether they are still OK with it as facts have emerged. Here's
00:31:02.180 Steve last night. And as you just referenced, Steve Gonsalves. In a way, do you feel if this
00:31:08.080 goes to an actual trial and he has an opportunity to fight the evidence, is that something that
00:31:13.340 you'd say, you know what, I think it's necessary? I would love it. We're getting to the point where
00:31:19.340 capital cases nine percent of the time are settled out of court. We do need case law. We do need
00:31:23.940 state law and idaho could i think it could benefit greatly from this unfortunately we spent eight
00:31:29.440 million dollars and um i feel for my community i love this guy wasn't even a member of our society
00:31:35.360 he wasn't even a member of our state and we've really just been totally put through the ringer
00:31:41.040 having to defend this loser so um i want to protect my community and i feel like
00:31:47.260 you know i can't keep asking for more we we got our chance um we had a weak prosecutor but 0.83
00:31:54.040 um i don't i don't want to put our community through another few million dollars it's
00:31:59.600 it's unfortunate but um somebody's gonna have to put their foot down and make this case law
00:32:04.260 but the poor family members but mark my question to you is he seems as far as
00:32:12.340 Kohlberger's actual motion. He seems to be citing, again, the hair. He said this was unknown,
00:32:19.760 unknown hair in a, he said, failure to disclose or to review exculpatory evidence, i.e. unknown
00:32:29.060 hair in Chapin's hand during plea discussions. Let's just start there. As I read with Howard,
00:32:35.660 the defense filed an exhibit right before the settlement, the plea deal, disclosing that.
00:32:41.580 So he must be saying his lawyer didn't tell him about it.
00:32:46.040 Is that a ground for undoing a plea?
00:32:47.780 No, but if he's going to then amplify that, it is not.
00:32:52.040 But the way you read it, it was described as debris.
00:32:56.100 If he then kind of fleshes that out and starts to talk about, look, they didn't tell me there was a hair.
00:33:04.000 They didn't tell me it was an unknown origin.
00:33:06.040 They didn't tell me and nobody tested that hair to see whether or not it was for, you know, on something that is basically mitochondrial DNA, which is what the hair is.
00:33:19.520 If they had tested that and they had excluded him to the point that that suggested somebody else, he's got some he's got some things to talk about.
00:33:31.040 But as right now, as drafted and right now in this kind of rambling nature, no judge is going to grant anything he's needs.
00:33:41.080 And I suspect and I was also speculated last night, I think, by Steve, that he has money on the books and that maybe he's attempting to get some lawyer to parachute in to potentially kind of flesh this out.
00:33:57.060 But it is. He is asking for he's asking for a court appointed lawyer. He's saying that they ask, are you requesting the appointment of counsel? He says, yes. Are you seeking to proceed in former pauperous? In other words, are you too poor to afford a lawyer? Yes. And since he seems to be suggesting Ann Taylor was ineffective, right? He doesn't use the words ineffective assistance of counsel. That's clearly where he's going.
00:34:21.340 what will happen now, Ashley? Will the judge, before he denies this out of hand, say,
00:34:28.860 okay, here's a new lawyer to properly raise these claims for you before I deny them?
00:34:35.360 Most likely the judge will give him a new lawyer. He's not constitutionally entitled to a new
00:34:39.480 lawyer. This is a collateral plea. This is a collateral post-conviction matter. You're only
00:34:44.740 entitled to counsel on the actual direct appeal. And he waived that. So he didn't have an appeal.
00:34:49.180 He's not entitled to a lawyer, but oftentimes judges in cases like this that are complex,
00:34:53.700 they will appoint a lawyer, quite frankly, to make their job easier because it is difficult
00:34:58.200 to communicate with someone who's in custody. You see these pro se filings, it's just much
00:35:02.880 easier to deal with a lawyer. So we could probably see that. I also think what we'll see is we'll see
00:35:07.440 a petition to have this hair tested because right now he's saying, oh, well, it's exculpatory
00:35:11.580 evidence. No, it's not. It's potentially exculpatory evidence, if it even is. And so
00:35:16.760 he's got the burden in this post-conviction. Brian Koberger has the burden. So he's got to
00:35:20.900 get this evidence tested to see if it actually is exculpatory. And, you know, I don't even see
00:35:25.960 how, if it was someone else's DNA, how that would even be exculpatory. But the first thing I would
00:35:31.060 do, if God forbid I was appointed to represent him at this point, is get that hair tested.
00:35:36.260 Well, it does say it was tested. It says in the defense motion, like that his lawyer filed on
00:35:44.680 June 6, 2025, as they stipulate to the admission of this exhibit, which includes debris from
00:35:51.700 right hand of Ethan Chapin, they write items submitted from Ethan Chapin, and they list
00:35:56.800 a few items from Kaylee, from all the victims.
00:35:59.280 And then they write that these exhibits were examined for hairs, microscopically consistent
00:36:07.280 with hairs in the head hair sample from Brian Kohlberger.
00:36:11.300 However, none were found.
00:36:13.220 so they're saying in this motion his lawyer that that hair was examined that it did not match
00:36:21.240 brian kohlberger's hair so like yeah this was already done he the best he could be alleging
00:36:26.440 here ashley is that ann taylor his lawyer didn't tell him that one of the victims had a clump of
00:36:32.760 hair in his hand and it didn't match you which is potentially exculpatory right who did it match
00:36:38.220 Like the description of those hairs, as I read from that guy, Christopher Wickholm, who was speaking with a defense lawyer or sorry, an offense, a defense witness who was going to take the stand, describes short, like reddish blonde hairs, six inches in length, which don't match anyone involved in this case.
00:36:56.220 So I can see how they would be potentially exculpatory. But Ann Taylor told him to take the plea. That seems to be his beef. Like she didn't tell me. And I would have liked to have had the chance to argue this.
00:37:07.460 Right. And that's what he's saying and that's what he's hoping to hang his hat on. But at best, let's say that this hair is someone else's. Let's say it's not one of the victims, which is what I would test for immediately. I would test it against the victims because most likely it's from one of them. Maybe, you know, maybe they Brian Koberger had it on his body from another victim. And so this this victim got it on his body. There are a lot of different ways that it could happen. It's not necessarily exculpatory if it's someone else's hair. All it means is he had an accomplice, which doesn't mean that he didn't do it.
00:37:35.780 It just means that maybe there's more to the story.
00:37:38.660 So I would be arguing.
00:37:39.400 It certainly gets our attention, though.
00:37:40.620 Oh, 100%.
00:37:41.540 If that's where we're going.
00:37:42.560 And we want to know that.
00:37:43.620 Yeah, the rest of the world is interested.
00:37:45.200 Well, and that's why we should have had him allocute, because we all think that there's
00:37:47.800 a chance that there was someone else.
00:37:49.080 So why in the world the prosecution allowed him to take a plea to the death penalty off
00:37:53.700 the table without having him allocute?
00:37:55.420 That's insane.
00:37:55.960 Okay, wait.
00:37:56.740 We know the reason now.
00:37:58.640 This is like, we all bitched about this at the time, a year ago, when they took this
00:38:02.000 plea without an allocution, because we all wanted to hear him say he did it.
00:38:04.900 We wanted to hear where the murder weapon was. We wanted to hear what, if any, connection he had
00:38:08.640 with these four victims, all of which still remain mysteries. But Bill Thompson, the prosecutor in
00:38:14.120 this case, actually sat down with Anjanette Levy of Law and Crime shortly after the plea and actually
00:38:19.880 did say why they did it the way they did it. Here it is in SOT 25. And he could have led you to the
00:38:26.900 murder weapon. I hear what you're saying, Anjanette, and he could have. We don't know if he would have
00:38:32.800 or not. I don't think it would have changed the ultimate outcome. Early on, when the FBI first
00:38:38.140 came on board with this case, they sent agents from their behavioral analysis unit, their profilers
00:38:44.320 to work with this. And they told us that based on what they were seeing about the nature of the
00:38:51.920 crime scene, the crimes themselves, that even if we were to get the person who committed these
00:39:00.500 crimes to try to explain why it happened, that it wouldn't make sense to normal people like us
00:39:05.980 and that they really can't be trusted to tell the truth because people like this live in their own
00:39:11.460 different world, which is completely foreign to what we as normal people understand and can
00:39:18.400 process. So that was a factor as well in our thoughts. It's a cop out. So what do you guys
00:39:25.420 make of that? Cop out? I think that's a cop out. I think that they couldn't get him to allocute
00:39:29.800 And they were worried he was going to talk crazy, which he probably was.
00:39:32.620 But then they would at least have him under oath saying what happened.
00:39:35.540 So when he files a motion like this, that's a lot more powerful evidence than him just saying yes to the judge's questions.
00:39:42.260 You know, it's what if you're representing Kohlberger and and the prosecution says, we'll give you a deal.
00:39:48.360 We'll take the death penalty off the table. He pleads and he goes life without parole.
00:39:52.300 And you go to him and say, OK, they're going to offer you this.
00:39:54.920 But they but they're demanding that you allocate. They're demanding that you explain the crime and so on.
00:39:59.100 And he says, I'm not doing that.
00:40:01.880 Is that unusual to have the defendant say, like, I'll plead guilty, but I'm not giving
00:40:06.460 any details?
00:40:07.220 Yeah, I mean, what's so perplexing to me is every single case, maybe save two in 40 some
00:40:16.960 odd years in federal court, you have to do a plea agreement that has a factual basis.
00:40:25.000 And you have to you negotiate the factual basis.
00:40:28.820 You go back and forth between the prosecutor, between the client.
00:40:32.120 You have an extended back and forth.
00:40:34.840 I remember one case in the Southern District of New York.
00:40:37.560 We went three straight times because we couldn't get the client to agree to the factual basis.
00:40:45.420 Now, that's federal court.
00:40:46.900 But in state court, you've got very similar abilities, especially in a capital case.
00:40:52.920 you some i assume that somebody had a negotiation and if they had a negotiation you say that's fine
00:41:00.880 here's our facts tell us you know uh allocution for those who don't know may basically means
00:41:07.540 you have to say on the record what happened and you could negotiate that beforehand you could say
00:41:15.760 you can read you can write it out you can have them read it into the record this happens all the
00:41:21.800 time. That's what's so frustrating sometimes about these so-called high-profile cases,
00:41:26.400 is that they really don't bear any resemblance to what actually happens in a courtroom every day
00:41:31.860 for decades. So what does that mean now? Do you think Bill Thompson actually is
00:41:38.520 regretting not having him allocute because now he's asserting actual innocence? And while he
00:41:46.080 does have that moment I played of the judge saying, are you pleading guilty because you
00:41:49.960 are guilty. And he says, yes, it certainly would be a lot better if he's if we had Kohlberger on
00:41:55.080 camera explaining exactly what he did and why. I definitely think he's regretting that, but I
00:41:59.780 don't think he I don't think he actually had the opportunity to do that. My guess is that Kohlberger
00:42:04.220 said, I'm not playing if I have to allocate. And that was never even a chance. They could not
00:42:08.160 negotiate that because he probably said, nope, not happening. And then after the fact, the
00:42:12.420 prosecutor's coming up with this great reason. Oh, this explains why I didn't have him allocate.
00:42:16.280 but most likely it was a deal breaker for him is there any okay let's just like entertain for a
00:42:22.460 second the notion that kohlberger did not commit these crimes i know we all see the evidence it's
00:42:28.440 plain as the nose on our faces but let's just go to the place of maybe he didn't do it is there
00:42:35.200 any way for him to get a new trial at this point mark like if he's sitting in jail innocent and
00:42:40.440 actually ann taylor while you know she gave it her best was overwhelmed by the amount of exhibits 1.00
00:42:45.540 being piled on her and did drop the ball. She didn't tell her client that there was exonerating
00:42:50.860 potentially evidence that had just come in, the hairs, etc., evidence of a possible cleanup job
00:42:57.320 that he couldn't possibly have done. I don't know, whatever it was. And also, on top of that,
00:43:02.940 made blatant misrepresentations to him about what his life was going to be like because she really
00:43:07.500 wanted him to take this plea. And he was very much on the fence, but she talked him into it
00:43:12.560 with her misrepresentations about what life without parole would look like and how horrific
00:43:17.940 the death penalty cell would have been. And it was so much worse than whatever she said or whatever
00:43:22.360 he's claiming. Could any of that be grounds to undo the guilty plea? So maybe Ashley can correct
00:43:29.180 me, but I think that the idea that my lawyer described my prison life in rosier terms than
00:43:39.060 actually is has zero chance of getting any kind of traction i think i just i i i can't even imagine
00:43:48.360 that in fact i've often i've often counseled the clients uh that i don't understand why you're
00:43:54.780 fighting so hard for life without your better on death row um but the the the to answer your
00:44:02.520 question. If there's ever going to be any traction and actual innocence, unfortunately,
00:44:10.080 the state of the law in a lot of jurisprudences isn't good enough. I mean, there are SCOTUS,
00:44:18.140 Supreme Court of the United States cases, actual innocence doesn't get you there standing alone.
00:44:24.160 However, when you have this unique situation where you have the victims saying, we didn't
00:44:30.680 agree with this. We weren't part of this. I was going to mention before, it's reminiscent of how
00:44:36.660 the Epstein scandal started, because there were a couple of guys, ironically, victims' rights
00:44:45.860 lawyers who invoked the victims' rights that they were not consulted, that started to unwind the
00:44:52.880 whole process. That's where we got to the Epstein situation that we're in now. So is this something
00:45:00.500 that could happen or is there a template for it sure but yeah i think this more resembles
00:45:05.840 the unabomber and ted kaczynski where i knew that just like here and i'm sure i think ashley and i
00:45:12.700 talked about this a while ago that um ted kaczynski i knew was going to blame the lawyers for saving
00:45:19.680 his life and i knew was going to spend the rest of his days complaining about the plea deal i knew
00:45:25.620 that this had the same kind of resonate resonated with me the same way and so i think it's more
00:45:32.560 akin to that i don't think he gets anywhere there's also the you know he's going to claim
00:45:37.900 ineffective assistance of counsel i mean he is not you know sub whatever the official word is 0.89
00:45:45.700 retardation iq this guy was getting a phd in criminology he knew what he was doing which 0.91
00:45:53.300 will be held against him, I think, in this proceeding. But he has. First of all, we only 0.96
00:45:58.500 know of a couple of statements he's made, actually. First of all, when he got arrested,
00:46:01.780 the police said the first thing he asked was, was anyone else arrested? Which is very interesting
00:46:07.320 for us in the court of public opinion on could there have been an accomplice? Secondly, when
00:46:12.700 he was first arraigned, remember, he didn't even enter his own not guilty plea. The judge did it
00:46:18.080 for him. So he wouldn't speak. But now he's super chatty to the New York Times. And in his little
00:46:24.360 petition, now that he's sitting on death row, complaining about the fact that he doesn't have
00:46:29.320 contact visits and he doesn't have the freedom of movement and employment, he thought he'd have
00:46:35.820 the elaborate lies of death row that she told him who knows. And here is what his first lawyer
00:46:42.320 before he got Ann Taylor, he got a public defender named Jason Labar. And he did go and meet with
00:46:47.020 Kohlberger back in December of 2022, right after he was arrested. He went on the Today Show the
00:46:52.360 lawyer did after and said this in South 15. Has he reacted to the charges at all? One can imagine
00:46:58.620 being accused of something like this and saying, wait, where did this come from? Why are they
00:47:03.180 coming after me? Have you seen any kind of that behavior from him? It is a little out of character.
00:47:10.740 he said, I mean, this is not him. He believes he's going to be exonerated. That's what he
00:47:17.700 believes. Those were his words. So he's really been very easy to talk to, actually. And he's
00:47:25.060 in a calm demeanor, like I stated. Okay, putting aside the sin of that shirt with that tie,
00:47:32.100 the lawyer is making a point there, Ashley, of actual innocence consistent with what
00:47:38.260 Goldberger just said. Right. And I mean, that's what he's he's going for, saying he's got actual
00:47:42.840 innocence. But can he actually prove that? Because at this point, he's got the burden.
00:47:46.900 And, you know, there's really two ways that he could win this. And one of them is proving
00:47:50.580 manifest injustice, which is essentially actual innocence, because we think it's unjust, you know,
00:47:56.000 to have someone who's innocent serving a life sentence. But the other one is that his lawyers
00:48:00.680 somehow were ineffective because he says they lied to him about the conditions. I think that
00:48:04.880 is a bunch of crap, quite frankly. 1.00
00:48:06.860 Nobody thinks they're going to go to prison 1.00
00:48:08.720 and have contact visits and employment
00:48:11.240 and freedom of movement.
00:48:12.340 That is exactly what you give up
00:48:13.780 when you go to prison, freedom of movement.
00:48:15.660 Freedom of movement.
00:48:17.420 You're in prison.
00:48:18.320 Literally, that's what you're giving up,
00:48:19.800 freedom of movement, literally,
00:48:21.240 and contact with the outside world,
00:48:23.060 like in employment.
00:48:23.780 Also, I don't know if you have that side
00:48:28.100 where Steve was interviewed last night.
00:48:30.120 One of the things that made me smile
00:48:31.840 is he said, ineffective assistance
00:48:34.360 Ann Taylor. He says, I wish we had Ann Taylor as the prosecutor in this case. So, yeah, I mean,
00:48:40.280 yeah, I know. Good luck. She is. Look, my biggest takeaway on all this, I think you're right. It's
00:48:44.900 not going to be granted, but I will say my biggest takeaway is I'm thrilled to learn how unhappy he
00:48:49.280 is. It's it's wonderful news. He's really suffering in there. And I really think having
00:48:54.420 covered this for the past year and have we covered all of his complaints. He didn't like the food.
00:48:59.680 He didn't like the threats he was getting. He didn't like the noise other prisoners were making.
00:49:03.120 this is about he doesn't like prison prison sucks and he's a relatively young man so he's going to 0.83
00:49:09.920 be in there probably for 60 years and he's doing anything to get out too late you had your shot
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00:50:55.240 serious incidents of Islamic terror in and around Europe. And our next guest is raising the alarm 0.99
00:51:03.660 about it. He is Dan Wooten. He is the host of the show, Dan Wooten Outspoken. Dan, welcome back.
00:51:08.500 How are you? Great to be here, Megan. I'm okay. Things aren't great here, though. Great to see
00:51:13.380 you. No, they're not great because we've seen now a terror attack in Berlin that happened earlier
00:51:20.820 this week right outside of the Pride Festival. Then we saw this attack in Paris yesterday with
00:51:26.220 this guy running around, stabbing people with a knife, random women, three, one of whom was
00:51:32.300 pregnant. And in case after case, we see officials, Dan, who refuse to say anything about Islamic
00:51:41.040 terror. Megan, they will not even use the word. Our foreign secretary would not use the word.
00:51:47.080 London's Islamist mayor, Sadiq Khan, who spends all day, every day posting on X about Donald Trump 0.92
00:51:53.500 and posting about far right terror, which can I just say, if you look at the statistics, Megan, 0.89
00:52:00.140 is pretty much invisible in Europe. Yet they would not mention the word. They would not say
00:52:06.900 islam and what we've seen over the past 48 hours is an extraordinary example of what gadsad refers 1.00
00:52:13.440 to as suicidal empathy because these lgbtq a a plus lesbian spirit animals you know the type 1.00
00:52:21.800 the alphabet soup mob who i actually can't stand despite being a gay man myself have decided to 0.98
00:52:27.840 blame everyone other than the islamist megan so they've made videos blaming donald trump 0.98
00:52:33.480 They've made videos blaming white men.
00:52:36.460 We even saw a Labour MP, that's the ruling party here in the UK,
00:52:40.420 blame Nigel Farage and GB News, my former employer,
00:52:45.000 for an Islamist literally ramming into the trans people who they hate, 0.98
00:52:49.820 pulling out a machete and starting to stab them wildly. 0.96
00:52:54.440 This man was known to security services in Germany. 0.90
00:52:57.040 He was a well-known Islamist.
00:52:58.780 He was free on the streets.
00:53:00.080 And guess what, Meg?
00:53:01.040 and the German police were not even able to post his picture on X
00:53:05.260 because of ludicrous data security laws in Europe.
00:53:09.100 So we are killing ourselves and people are not prepared to talk about it. 0.97
00:53:12.760 And the shocking thing is, is this Islamo-left coalition, as I put them, 0.84
00:53:17.840 you've got the hardcore Islamists and the green nutters would rather see us die, 0.99
00:53:25.020 would rather see gay people die than actually admit 1.00
00:53:28.700 that there is a massive problem 1.00
00:53:30.820 in terms of an Islamist invasion of Europe. 0.97
00:53:34.400 And it's terrifying. 0.99
00:53:35.420 I have an Iman on my show this week, Megan, 1.00
00:53:38.080 predicting that the UK will become a fully Muslim country 0.83
00:53:42.260 and the centre of the Muslim world within two decades.
00:53:44.820 And he also admits to me, Megan,
00:53:46.360 that he has had private conversation with King Charles.
00:53:48.860 Well, I'm sorry, I'm a monarchist, I'm a royalist,
00:53:51.660 but King Charles is the head of the Church of England.
00:53:55.240 Why does he keep defending a multi-faith nation?
00:53:58.240 No, we're a Christian country.
00:54:00.900 And again, I think it's relevant that I'm a gay man. 0.84
00:54:02.900 But let me tell you, I've spoken to some ex-Muslims
00:54:06.020 who were radicalised in the mosques of East London, Megan. 0.99
00:54:08.440 They want to push gay men off the top of buildings. 0.97
00:54:11.700 So I'm done. I'm sick of it. I'm calling it out. 1.00
00:54:14.900 So too is Tommy Robinson.
00:54:16.560 So too is Rupert Lowe, who's the leader of a new party here
00:54:18.980 called Restore Britain to the Right of Nigel Farage and Reform UK.
00:54:23.040 And guess what, Megan?
00:54:23.800 In the recent polls, they're surging to 7% of the vote.
00:54:26.940 I believe a political revolution is coming. If not, as Elon Musk warned last week, civil war
00:54:32.820 is probably inevitable in the UK because we're heading towards a race and a religious war.
00:54:39.560 We saw hints of that in Ireland earlier this summer, of course, when we saw the horrific 0.73
00:54:44.460 attacks there on that poor man who almost got beheaded. And it's been brewing in the UK now
00:54:50.720 in the in the wake of the the rape scandal um with you know the young girls who were raped by 0.78
00:54:57.020 these immigrants and uh foreign-born uh UKers so this like it keeps happening Dan this particular
00:55:03.500 attack the latest two were not in the United Kingdom but they were in Paris and they were
00:55:08.400 in Berlin and we see the same pattern time after time where they refuse to say it's like
00:55:12.860 they don't understand that if you condemn radical Islam if you condemn this sort of Islamic violence
00:55:19.580 that you're not condemning every Muslim on earth.
00:55:22.280 You're not condemning peaceful Muslims
00:55:25.320 who may or may not be your neighbors,
00:55:27.440 but they too need to speak out against this
00:55:29.480 so to distance themselves from this ideology.
00:55:32.680 And what we're seeing in places like Paris
00:55:34.700 is they've moved in, they've taken over,
00:55:38.400 and rather than assimilating,
00:55:39.840 they want the locals to assimilate to them.
00:55:42.980 And when they don't, they wind up getting stabbed 0.99
00:55:45.360 by some lunatic on the street.
00:55:47.080 We've got the video of this man running around Paris 0.98
00:55:49.080 with a knife attempting to stab women. Let's look at it. Video one right here. You see this man
00:55:55.120 dressed in all white or tan. He's got a butcher knife in his right hand. He has another knife in
00:56:00.580 his left hand and he's just casually running across the street. He appears to be running after
00:56:06.360 a young woman looking for her. And then there is an interaction with a young woman where you can't
00:56:11.300 tell whether he actually gets her or not, but it's deeply disturbing. And here you can, you can hear
00:56:17.400 a witness in Satwan Accountant. I step out of my house. I hear a commotion screaming everywhere.
00:56:24.000 I turn around and see someone with two large knives by the Clichy gate that already stabbed
00:56:30.560 a woman, a young woman who was 19 years old. Then he walks along the tramway toward Avenue de Clichy.
00:56:38.540 He goes up Avenue de Clichy a bit, still with his large knives. He crosses up the crosswalk and
00:56:43.700 behind the kiosk. He attacks another victim. He was only targeting women and stabbed her
00:56:48.740 in the back. That's when me and two friends of mine stepped in. Basically, a friend of mine
00:56:56.140 threw his suitcase at him to subdue him, really. So he dropped the knives. That's when my buddy
00:57:00.340 came up from behind, swept his legs. He fell to the ground. And I moved in to hold down his
00:57:04.520 legs and feet. And we put a chair on top of him so he couldn't move while waiting for the police.
00:57:08.900 okay and here you've got that man who had the knives dan saying it is Allah who commanded me
00:57:17.460 and then per UK times a police source said the alleged attacker also told officers Allah sent
00:57:22.740 me to kill women um then there is uh Fox News quotes let's see another translation of the
00:57:30.200 exchange quotes one man is responding to him there is no there is no Allah bro so clearly 0.98
00:57:35.060 they were discussing Allah, and yet notwithstanding all this, the police say they could not verify
00:57:41.120 the identity of the attacker whose declarations were incoherent, and therefore they want us to
00:57:47.080 be very careful before we actually declare any sort of a motive here. They have to be super
00:57:51.900 cautious because he's a nutcase. Just as mental health, Megan, always as mental health, you know. 0.94
00:57:58.320 All the people who run around stabbing random people on the streets have a bit of the nutcase 0.58
00:58:02.680 in them. That doesn't mean we can't determine motive, Dan. Honestly, Megan, I'm sick of this.
00:58:09.200 We had an example last week in the UK of CCTV from a mosque showing a man called Muhammad
00:58:18.360 Bashir discussing with Jihad al-Shamid. Yeah, his name's Jihad. Maybe that was a good reason 0.62
00:58:25.060 not to let him into the country. Okay, but we did. And guess what, Megan? He went and committed 1.00
00:58:29.820 a terror attack outside a synagogue in manchester two people died but what we learned is that within 0.59
00:58:35.980 this mosque this other islamist this other jihadist who is alive and now in jail called 0.53
00:58:41.080 muhammad bashir were discussing and plotting the terror attack of a massive military center just
00:58:47.540 out of swindon a town in the united kingdom within the prayer room of the mosque megan and they were
00:58:54.900 talking about finding the green birds now all islamic scholars will tell you that reference
00:59:01.020 to the green birds is in relation to this concept of martyrdom so i'm going to be honest with you
00:59:05.880 and this is coming from the perspective of someone who is in the uk who has seen this takeover
00:59:11.160 happen i still broadcast from london for now megan we are becoming a minority fast in the capital
00:59:17.220 city of the disunited kingdom as i now call it and let me tell you megan i'm a little bit sick 1.00
00:59:21.800 of these imams coming out and saying our mosques are peaceful places when we now literally have 0.80
00:59:28.440 cctv showing a terror attack being planned within the prayer room of a mosque unfortunately megan a 0.98
00:59:35.220 lot of taqiyah is being practiced by islamists in europe this is the concept that you can lie
00:59:40.980 you can lie if it is for the good of advancing islamism so i'm not really in the camp anymore
00:59:49.260 of like oh some of these mosques are fine because we don't know and they're popping up everywhere 0.82
00:59:55.100 and in the uk they're replacing churches and let me tell you there's no plotting of terror attacks
01:00:02.320 going on in the back room of church of england facilities so for me this is no longer but you
01:00:09.680 would never know that peace i know on your show outspoken yesterday you were railing about this
01:00:15.900 And you put together a great soundbite of some of the insane reaction to what we're seeing.
01:00:20.340 And one of them, one of the we're going to play this, the budded soundbite that you put together.
01:00:24.580 But one of them is taking a bit Christians for this.
01:00:27.100 Like, wait, how how are the Christians to blame?
01:00:30.460 The guy's literally saying Allah sent me in both instances.
01:00:34.080 You've got these obvious ties in one in Germany.
01:00:37.080 This guy wanted to be ISIS.
01:00:38.340 And now in Paris, this guy's saying Allah sent me. 1.00
01:00:40.520 But it's the Christian's fault. 1.00
01:00:41.660 Here it is. 0.96
01:00:42.340 Officials say he had linked with the Islamic State militant group and was known to domestic intelligence.
01:00:49.320 But the motivation for this attack remains unclear.
01:00:52.820 We do not want this deed to be instrumentalized for political ends.
01:00:59.160 We don't want any groups to be placed under suspicion for this.
01:01:02.940 Trump is showing us how easy it is to stampede on our rights.
01:01:08.220 And this is something that we have to avoid.
01:01:11.000 What I can say is the people who were celebrating about this were all white men, young white men, with crosses in their profiles. 0.82
01:01:21.540 My immediate thought when I saw the news was that it was a right-wing, white supremacist extremist. 0.89
01:01:28.740 To queer people, there's no real difference whether you're Muslim or you're Christian. 0.99
01:01:34.840 There's no difference between Muslims and Christians when it comes to gays, Dan. 1.00
01:01:39.900 I mean, yes, it's true. You can't get married in the Catholic Church. It's really not the same 0.97
01:01:44.620 thing as running through Paris, stabbing everyone to death in the name of Allah.
01:01:49.660 No, I'm Christian and I'm actually Catholic, Megan. So yeah, I can't get married in the
01:01:55.640 Catholic Church. Guess what? I'm okay about that. What I'm not okay about, Megan, is these Islamists
01:02:03.160 who now surround me every time I leave the house being taught within a mosque that it is okay. 1.00
01:02:09.900 to push me off the top of the building. I'm okay with that. But I look at those people and I just 1.00
01:02:13.960 think, oh my God, they're straight from central casting, aren't they? You know, the mustache,
01:02:18.120 the pink hair. They probably have a set to piercing.
01:02:20.440 That guy that Freddie Mercury wannabe at the end.
01:02:22.520 Yeah. And it's like, I'm sorry, are you okay with your sisters being raped by Pakistani Muslim men 1.00
01:02:30.120 and then that being covered up? Are you okay with your mom being at risk of being killed at the 1.00
01:02:35.080 local supermarket i cannot understand it i cannot understand it and for me this has just become 0.98
01:02:41.960 such a fundamental issue because as i say the islamists are not trying to hide the desire to 0.95
01:02:47.000 take over the united kingdom i mean do you really think americans would be okay if for the fourth
01:02:53.140 year running the number one baby name in every state of america was muhammad well that is the
01:03:01.180 situation we are in in the united kingdom and it's like this willful blindness to not understand 0.51
01:03:07.620 what's happening and because of demographic change and just the reality of the muslim people in this 0.98
01:03:14.040 country megan they are breeding like rabbits and white christian people are not so this takeover 0.98
01:03:20.800 is not a fantasy it's not it's not a conspiracy it is a demographic reality and you're not allowed 0.64
01:03:28.380 to fight for your own culture. It's like, if you say, look, I actually think it's good to have
01:03:33.980 Great Britain be a Christian country or America be a Christian country. You're a bigot. If you say, 0.95
01:03:38.300 I don't really want to be taken over by Muslims who view the world very differently than we do. 0.98
01:03:43.140 You're a bigot. It's like, you know what? Who cares? You have to get to the point where you 0.96
01:03:46.760 clearly are. And I am too, which is, I don't care if you're offended. I have nothing against regular
01:03:51.800 Muslim people. I have Muslim friends. They're darling, absolutely darling. They're not political.
01:03:56.940 They're not that observant. I'm going to be honest. And there is a very clear distinction between your run of the mill Muslim citizen and capital I Islam, because it does come in with an agenda and it includes some of the things that you said.
01:04:11.680 And the more radical and the more political and active that they are, the more danger certain people are, whether it's Christians or gays, what have you.
01:04:21.440 Yeah, but this is, and this is not a, I mean, I completely agree with you, but this is not a fantasy anymore that we are at threat for talking about this.
01:04:29.680 I mean, I saw your episode with my friend Alex Phillips talking about the assassination of Anne Whittakam, but I was also good friends with Anne Whittakam.
01:04:38.580 You remember when I launched my GB News show, Megan, and I was very, very determined to bring a small pool of people who were going to be on the show every week.
01:04:45.380 You were one of them and you very kindly agreed to do that from the launch of the show.
01:04:50.740 But the other Megan was Anne Whittakin.
01:04:53.880 And so we became very close over the course of my three years on GB News.
01:04:58.940 She appeared on the show once or twice a week.
01:05:01.700 You know, a bit of a grandmother figure, really, to me.
01:05:04.860 She was one of the only people alongside you who actually stood up for me when I was sacked by GB News.
01:05:10.200 And she is stabbed.
01:05:12.960 I mean, I still find it difficult to talk about when I think of the reality of what she faced in those final two minutes.
01:05:18.020 But she was stabbed 21 times.
01:05:19.600 uh sorry sorry struck 21 times on the head uh with a hammer and megan do you know what if i
01:05:26.960 was to tell you what i knew and i'm being very serious about this this is a fact if i were to
01:05:33.320 tell you what i knew about the leftist who is alleged i mean we have crazy laws megan is
01:05:40.600 alleged to have committed this crime i could be sent to jail in the uk for contempt of court
01:05:46.380 we are unable even though you're not a party to the proceedings correct
01:05:50.960 correct they can gag regular citizens we are speaking about the case and the way they want
01:05:57.640 correct correct that is shocking and nigel farage that is horrific is unable can you please email
01:06:03.720 me the details because i'm not gagged i can say whatever the hell i want i'll say it on my program
01:06:07.940 good and there we need this actually because there is a lot and nigel farage the leader of
01:06:12.620 reform uk will tell you this too there is a lot that we know about this man that we are unable
01:06:19.500 to report in the uk and you know what happens megan this is all about information control
01:06:25.700 this is all about stopping the plebs or as elon musk described to us the ordinary people of britain 0.52
01:06:33.200 who are now derided as far right it's about stopping us getting angry about stopping us 0.99
01:06:38.780 taking to the streets and uh you know i am absolutely not a proponent for anything violent
01:06:47.000 but there are aides close to nigel farage who have said this week that they believe the uk
01:06:52.800 is one violent incident away from the country erupting so that is why they actually don't want
01:07:01.420 us to know who is alleged to have that's why you hear that like some of the absurdities that you 0.52
01:07:08.080 were playing from those people it's the fault of these christians it's white men who are celebrating
01:07:13.560 this really and then the blaming the most absurd on trump there's here's a bit of that from
01:07:19.880 this is an lgbtq activist i don't how's it trump's fault but here we go watch if you know that there
01:07:27.760 is a demonstration out there if there is a pride celebration out there yes put on a colorful
01:07:32.380 costume, but also maybe write a placard and hold it up and demand your politicians in your
01:07:39.820 constituency to respect everyone's life. This is where we have to go to. Because if I look at what's
01:07:45.520 going on around us in Germany, in Berlin, in any other place in Europe, and especially also if we
01:07:52.040 look across the ocean to the US, Trump is showing us how easy it is to stampede on our rights.
01:08:00.400 and this is something that we have to avoid we have to avoid it and we can if we stand together
01:08:06.240 okay dan i i'm not sure how we get there i mean it is complete diversion the fact is though megan 0.76
01:08:16.660 even when they are presented with the exact details i mean this guy that this islamist
01:08:23.420 who drove into the Pride Parade
01:08:25.880 had literally been associated
01:08:30.840 with ISIS groups for years.
01:08:34.580 And the authorities didn't lock him up.
01:08:36.420 They didn't stop him.
01:08:37.620 And then you have Sly News.
01:08:38.680 And every turn they gave him a pass.
01:08:40.160 Yeah, every time, every time.
01:08:41.700 And you have Sly News,
01:08:42.580 which is just so people in America know,
01:08:44.780 Sly News is our version of MS Now.
01:08:47.620 It's owned by Comcast.
01:08:49.540 So it's attempting to pretend
01:08:51.920 to be a mainstream organization,
01:08:53.420 But we know, like with MS now, they are political activists.
01:08:57.540 And so you literally get into the situation where a reporter is saying, oh, well, you know, he had he had ties to ISIS.
01:09:03.000 He had been arrested to this. He was a well-known Islamist.
01:09:06.300 But we don't know the motive. 0.92
01:09:08.740 I mean, it's astonishing.
01:09:11.980 I mean, Allah sent me seems pretty seems pretty on the nose. 0.83
01:09:16.500 I'm not officially a detective, but I can get there. 0.98
01:09:19.380 So what happens now? Because I know that there is a push by some to say all those immigrants who came when Angela Merkel opened the doors of Germany to anyone and everyone who then migrated everywhere throughout Europe.
01:09:34.500 And it wasn't just Germany in her defense, but they were the worst. We're going to strip them of their if they have dual citizenship as a result of coming here and trying to, like, you know, get into the UK and get a UK passport. 0.89
01:09:46.200 We're going to take it away, like actually go back to Syria, actually get out like we don't want you in this country anymore. 0.99
01:09:54.220 You didn't assimilate. You didn't join us. You tried to take us over. And it's a no. 1.00
01:10:00.040 So how is that likely to go?
01:10:02.780 Because the UK is more woke than America, and that wouldn't fly over here.
01:10:06.940 And I just wonder how it's going to fly over there.
01:10:08.560 Well, this is behind the surge in this party, Megan, called Restore Britain, which has Elon
01:10:14.100 Musk's support.
01:10:15.200 So he withdrew resport from Nigel Farage.
01:10:17.820 He described Farage as being weak.
01:10:19.720 Which is reform.
01:10:20.680 That's reform.
01:10:21.800 So it's reform and restore.
01:10:23.180 It's a little bit complicated.
01:10:24.780 But Rupert Lowe is pushing this concept of re-migration.
01:10:29.200 and this is being done in certain european countries to a smaller extent like denmark
01:10:35.620 for example you can see your citizenship stripped if you are for example going against
01:10:44.020 the traditions of the nation and in the case of the united kingdom you think of axel rudikabana
01:10:50.440 the islamist terrorist although the mainstream media who won't call him islamist who you might
01:10:55.020 remember, Megan, in a small town called Southport, stabbed three beautiful young girls to death at a 0.96
01:11:01.280 Taylor Swift dance class. Now, he is currently, Megan, in a psychiatric hospital, very nice
01:11:07.840 psychiatric hospital where he gets access to, you know, a gym and lovely facilities because
01:11:14.200 he played the system and he got transferred from the high security prison. Now, there is a huge
01:11:20.360 view amongst Restore Britain supporters that Axel Rudi Kibana should either be subjected to the
01:11:25.460 death penalty, we don't have it in this country at the moment, but Restore has pledged a referendum
01:11:29.440 on it, or be sent back to Rwanda. He was born here, Megan, but his parents are Rwandan. His
01:11:37.320 parents are still in the country and being given full protection with a new identity. A lot of us
01:11:42.700 believe they should be sent back to Rwanda too. For example, the terrorist who I spoke about 0.95
01:11:48.140 earlier, Mohammed Bashir, who is now in jail after being caught in a mosque. He has a Pakistani 0.80
01:11:53.540 passport. Well, why is he here? Why in 17 years is he going to be free on the streets of the 0.98
01:11:59.460 United Kingdom? Likewise, the head of the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs in Rotherham, 0.96
01:12:05.440 which you referred to, I mean, this is a shocking cover-up, probably the worst cover-up in British 0.96
01:12:08.780 history, over 250,000 white girls raped by gangs of Pakistani men over decades, but the authorities
01:12:16.420 He's never did anything about it for fear of being racist.
01:12:19.400 He's free, Meghan.
01:12:20.700 He is now on the streets.
01:12:22.040 And guess what? 0.99
01:12:22.660 Pakistan doesn't want to take him back.
01:12:24.500 But there are things that could be done.
01:12:26.260 This country sends huge amounts of aid money to Pakistan every single year. 1.00
01:12:33.680 Well, we're immediately cutting that off unless you take your violent criminals and terrorists back. 1.00
01:12:40.040 so whether it will actually happen is dependent on whether there is allowed to be this big
01:12:47.300 political revolution that a lot of people see coming and that's why Elon Musk has this week
01:12:51.480 said you're not a patriot if you fight against re-migration so I guess it's this idea Megan of
01:12:56.620 making re-migration mainstream in the past this is a concept which has very much been
01:13:03.080 derided as as being racist or being white supremacist in some way but I think there is 0.89
01:13:09.240 an attempt to rewrite the concept of remigration, because otherwise we are screwed. Otherwise we 0.90
01:13:15.560 are going to be a minority white, is this country within two decades. I would call it the Dorothy 1.00
01:13:21.660 principle, Dorothy from Wizard of Oz. There's no place like home. That's how we feel in our country.
01:13:26.800 We're about our home, how you feel about your home and how they should feel about their home. 1.00
01:13:31.780 Sorry that you were born in Syria. Shouldn't have to be my problem or my kids problems or my LGB 0.99
01:13:37.880 We, uh, friends on this, on the, you know, pride spectrum, uh, problem.
01:13:42.460 We should, we don't, I'm sorry, but we, there aren't shared values.
01:13:46.580 You didn't assimilate. 0.94
01:13:47.880 We gave you a shot. 0.99
01:13:48.960 You blew it or too many of your countrymen blew it.
01:13:51.780 Either way.
01:13:52.100 I don't really care.
01:13:52.940 Don't want it to be my problem or my friends or my family's problem.
01:13:56.100 All right, let's keep going because I know I only have you for a short time.
01:13:58.960 Switch the page something lighter.
01:14:00.320 And that's Harry and Megan.
01:14:01.900 And you say there's breaking news today out of the UK because a top aide or the top aide to King Charles is leaving.
01:14:11.960 And there's a very interesting reason why.
01:14:14.480 This is your reporting.
01:14:15.320 Tell us.
01:14:15.640 This is a huge story, Megan, and it is being completely covered up by the mainstream media in the United Kingdom.
01:14:21.840 But I'm not part of the mainstream media.
01:14:23.660 I'm not part of the royal rota.
01:14:25.140 So I can tell you what is really going on.
01:14:27.420 This is a man called Sir Clive Alderton.
01:14:29.720 Maybe not a household name, but someone who Prince Harry derided in his autobiography, Spare, as the Wasp.
01:14:37.420 He described him as the Wasp.
01:14:38.800 That was sort of the character he gave to him.
01:14:40.160 Now, he has been King Charles's closest aide for two decades.
01:14:45.000 He has quit.
01:14:46.500 He is out.
01:14:47.640 He will be leaving the royal household next year.
01:14:50.520 Now, trying to paint this in the mainstream media, Meghan, as, oh, he's 59.
01:14:54.220 He's turning 60 next year.
01:14:56.620 It's time to move on. 1.00
01:14:58.460 absolute rubbish you're young at 60 these days clive alderton it's ridiculous it's ludicrous 0.99
01:15:05.420 clive alderton do you want to know the real reason he's out because he was trying to stop 0.99
01:15:10.860 prince harry and megan markle from returning to the british royal family and when the king who
01:15:16.340 unfortunately and you know megan i have huge sympathy of king charles he is battling terminal
01:15:21.140 cancer as i have reported that is a terrible thing so i understand on a human level he wants
01:15:27.060 to have a relationship with his youngest son. He wants to have a relationship with his grandchildren.
01:15:31.920 But it's not about that. This is about protecting the British monarchy from two individuals and
01:15:36.600 Prince Harry and Meghan Markle who want to tear it down. And Clive Alderton was doing his damnedest
01:15:42.360 to try and save King Charles from himself. And he is now gone. He's likely to be replaced by a guy
01:15:48.140 called Theo Rycroft, who has made it his mission in life to bring Prince Harry back. It's something
01:15:55.320 called Operation Thor and it's been going on for the past year the British public keep on getting
01:16:00.740 these missives oh Harry's not really a bad guy he's doing this he didn't really mean the British
01:16:04.840 royal family was racist he didn't really make the late Queen Elizabeth's uh last two years on earth
01:16:10.080 while she was battling with terminal cancer and absolute misery and I'm sickened by it but Megan
01:16:14.360 it's happening it's on two developments on this over the past 24 hours we learned that King Charles
01:16:20.580 has now offered to hand Buckingham Palace to Prince Harry and Meghan Markle anytime they want
01:16:27.640 it when they're in the UK. First visit could be as early as September. They would be the only
01:16:32.880 members of the royal family at all. I mean, I don't consider Meghan a member of the royal family. I
01:16:37.820 guess Harry is by blood, but they would be the only members of the royal family at all staying
01:16:41.840 in Buckingham Palace, the symbolic heart of the royal family in the United Kingdom. I'm disgusted
01:16:48.200 by that. And King Charles has also invited Harry and the family to spend time with him
01:16:52.760 at Balmoral over summer. The one big, I guess, block, roadblock in all of this remains Prince
01:17:00.720 William and Catherine, the Princess of Wales, who at this point are holding firm, refuse to meet
01:17:06.660 with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle on the most recent visit to the country, are disgusted by the
01:17:11.180 fact that they shared these private images, including at the grave of Princess Diana.
01:17:14.920 but unfortunately, Meghan Markle is worming her way back.
01:17:22.080 And you know, because we've covered this story
01:17:23.500 for a long time, Meghan, she is only doing this
01:17:25.720 because the money has run out.
01:17:27.680 She has no love of this country. 0.95
01:17:30.500 She hates us.
01:17:31.720 She said, she told Omid Scobie,
01:17:34.480 that weird little propaganda,
01:17:35.820 she was never going to come back to this country.
01:17:38.760 And it's only because the Netflix money has run out,
01:17:41.760 the Spotify money has run out,
01:17:43.580 they're hated by hollywood they don't get invites to the met gala or to the emmy awards or the oscars
01:17:49.060 that they want to worm their way back and you know i struggle with this as a monarchist and a royalist
01:17:54.280 but unfortunately megan i think king charles is making a huge mistake and this departure of
01:18:01.400 sir clive alderton i repeat he's not a household name but this is all about the mechanics of
01:18:06.780 finding a way for prince harry to return to the royal fold and he wants it harry wants it the
01:18:12.880 marriage is miserable he wants to spend as much time away from that woman as humanly possible
01:18:20.600 i mean who who could blame him in all honesty but no this doesn't surprise me at all because
01:18:27.760 you're right okay like how do we get stuck with them this is he's a prince of england you guys
01:18:33.820 are you should have if anyone has to be stuck with them it should be you but he you're right 0.97
01:18:38.540 about the netflix deal that she tried to spin that second season of her stupid show is like it was 0.73
01:18:43.060 renewal and it wasn't and now oh there's not a third season she tried through i'm sure uh either 0.86
01:18:48.440 her agents or netflix to get herself an emmy nomination a daytime emmy nomination which which
01:18:53.480 she did dan let me tell you something when i was at nbc i was hosting that third hour of the today
01:18:59.080 show it did not go well i got an emmy nomination for that now my show actually was good it just
01:19:04.760 wasn't popular. It's ridiculous. It is a nothing burger. It is meaningless. She, I'm sure, is 0.78
01:19:10.900 convinced this is somehow her way back. It isn't. No one cares. But Megan, this wasn't a daytime show.
01:19:15.540 They run out of money. It wasn't a daytime show. What daytime shows have an $80 million budget
01:19:20.840 and 100 staff members producing it? This was not a daytime show. It was a prime time,
01:19:27.320 huge investment by Netflix, which they have now tried to repurpose as a daytime show in order to
01:19:33.220 secure an Emmy nomination yeah and it's failed they got no viewership and Netflix that's the
01:19:39.420 reason they didn't renew any sort of a deal with them and then as you point out yeah Spotify
01:19:44.000 obviously there's that famous quote with their top executive one of them Bill Simmons calling
01:19:50.960 them grifters so yeah and she hasn't been able to land any sort of a paying job her company as ever
01:19:58.300 is reportedly doing poorly. So yes, they go back to the one source of fame and money that they know
01:20:06.720 will work. But I think there's something else going on at the same time, Dan, you tell me,
01:20:10.680 because not only are all those things not going well, everything they touch turns to crap over
01:20:15.060 here in America, but they're watching the air. They're watching Prince William and Princess
01:20:22.980 Catherine, everything they touch turns to gold. Their star turn at Wimbledon, you see them on,
01:20:31.700 they're like, I mean, I don't want to be too over the top, but there's something like,
01:20:36.220 I don't know, ethereal about Princess Kate. And they're beloved. She nails everything. Her fashion
01:20:42.300 is perfect, her class, and they're universally praised for their behavior, their choices,
01:20:49.540 the way they interact with people.
01:20:51.660 And I think these two over in Montecito can't stand it.
01:20:54.880 And they're like, we want another chance.
01:20:56.780 We can do it.
01:20:58.000 Like we can fold in.
01:20:59.060 We can be like them.
01:20:59.940 We can have the same sort of accolades that those two do.
01:21:02.900 You're completely right.
01:21:04.880 But there is one other big factor I want to throw into the mix, Megan,
01:21:09.160 which a lot of people miss out on.
01:21:12.140 You know who Prince Harry is more jealous of than anyone in the world?
01:21:16.980 And this is twisted, but he's a twisted individual.
01:21:19.540 it's not prince william it's not catherine the princess of wales it's his nephew it's prince
01:21:26.780 george because he is the second in line to the throne he replaced harry in the line of succession
01:21:33.300 and harry knows there is a window because you know george just turned 13 he's about to start
01:21:38.620 at eton his birthday is the day before my 13 year olds oh wow wow exact same age you can see them
01:21:44.880 grow up at the same time that's quite sweet isn't it totally whenever i see prince george i'm like
01:21:48.980 And he actually has a pretty good resemblance to Thatcher, my third.
01:21:52.620 So it's actually super fun to watch them age because it's just a benchmark in time.
01:21:56.040 Anyway, that was because I was pretty much identical age as Prince William.
01:22:00.340 And he has five years.
01:22:03.640 Harry knows that in five years time, it is over for him.
01:22:09.280 Because at that point, Prince George steps out of school, becomes the most eligible bachelor in the world,
01:22:15.920 the most famous member of the British royal family and Harry knows there is a small and closing
01:22:21.960 window in order for him to be able to capitalize on the remaining fame and popularity he has now
01:22:27.940 this is not a sort of uh theory this is something that Harry has voiced to a number of allies and
01:22:36.320 friends and biographies so he knows that this window is closing he knows he has five years
01:22:43.560 He also knows, Meghan, that if Prince William were to come to the throne tomorrow as King William, none of this opportunity for return would be there.
01:22:55.100 So he's aware that there is a tight window.
01:22:58.480 And it's a tight window for two reasons.
01:23:00.400 The health of King Charles, but also the rise of Prince George.
01:23:04.360 Because William and Catherine are very clear.
01:23:06.300 They want Prince George to have a sheltered childhood.
01:23:09.400 so even though we're going to see a little bit more of him the next five years Megan one of the
01:23:13.600 reasons that they chose to send him to Eton is because it's the poshest school in the country
01:23:18.040 it's where William attended and it's protected right so it's in Windsor they have massive police
01:23:23.980 protection I mean one of my friends actually her son is there at the moment so I know a little bit
01:23:28.300 how it works at Eton it is a very very controlled place where even the parents Megan don't get the
01:23:35.020 opportunity to just go and visit their kids everything is organized and structured so
01:23:40.000 basically for the next five years we're only going to see prince george in very small moments like
01:23:45.640 william and catherine are slowly introducing him you might uh remember they took him and charlotte
01:23:49.980 to the final day of wimbledon but it's going to be gradual the show and they did didn't they but
01:23:56.100 we're not going to see a lot of him i noticed then they left little louis at home oh yeah
01:23:59.580 He can't sit through a tennis match yet, yet.
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01:26:33.460 Hey everyone, it's me, Megan Kelly. I've got some exciting news. I now have my very own channel on
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01:27:02.120 Sirius XM app. Let's talk about the fact that Meghan Markle finally, her long-awaited, oh sure,
01:27:14.040 appearance on MasterChef Australia has now been released. When she taped it, it was so poorly done
01:27:21.860 that it made news because there was an issue about how they announced her. Here's the sound
01:27:26.640 bite, Sat 9. We've had MasterChef royalty in the kitchen before, but no one liked this.
01:27:33.480 All the way from sunny California, please welcome to MasterChef Australia,
01:27:38.620 the Duchess of Sussex, Meghan Markle!
01:27:56.960 Oh, don't you know I'm Sussex now, Dan? 0.99
01:28:01.340 She was so mad. 0.99
01:28:02.820 She hated that woman who introduced her, Poe.
01:28:06.460 And Poe is actually a big name in Australia.
01:28:09.100 She's beloved.
01:28:09.840 She came through MasterChef.
01:28:11.640 So she started off as a contestant.
01:28:13.880 She's now a judge, really beloved in Australia. 1.00
01:28:16.580 So obviously Meghan decided to hate her 1.00
01:28:18.820 and decide that she's a real bitch. 1.00
01:28:20.620 And she totally castigated Poe behind the scenes 1.00
01:28:24.880 for having introduced her as royalty.
01:28:27.820 But this is nuts, Meghan,
01:28:29.240 because, you know, the whole concept
01:28:32.020 of Meghan's guest appearance
01:28:33.640 was framed around the idea of a dish fit for a duchess so it's like what that's okay but describing
01:28:42.520 you as royalty is not and by the way uh again no one's really pointed this out maybe no one cares
01:28:48.500 anymore but this appearance megan goes directly against uh the agreement that queen is with the
01:28:53.960 second made with megan markle because you remember the sandrenum summit was absolutely uh adamant
01:29:01.340 in the fact that Meghan was not able to commercialize aspects of the British royal
01:29:05.500 family. Yet my understanding, Meghan, is she's been paid for this MasterChef Australia experience.
01:29:10.440 She wasn't doing this for altruistic reasons. She's not donating her fee to a charity. This is
01:29:14.760 straight money in her pocket. And yet she used her duchess title within it. So that is immediately 0.98
01:29:21.680 a contravention of the Sandringham Summit. Okay, there was another weird moment that we've just
01:29:28.300 gotten a look at that has some people talking online, and I actually share the view.
01:29:32.540 Sot 5, listen, watch this.
01:29:35.360 Can I ask you, please, Megan, what is your favorite dish to cook for the family?
01:29:40.660 That's a tough one.
01:29:42.080 It's a tough one because I have a lot of palates to appease.
01:29:46.000 My husband, being from the UK, loves a lot of meat, potatoes, cream sauce.
01:29:50.500 California girl, I like grilled fish, grilled meats, lots of citrus.
01:29:54.020 i just like using really pure natural herbs and spices you know again if you can pull
01:30:01.420 fresh herbs like do you say herbs or herbs here
01:30:04.620 she don't cook i'm sorry she don't cook it's weird even like i don't cook but i've got like
01:30:14.600 my five go-tos as a as a mother of three children that you know i i will cook if you ask me that i
01:30:20.900 my answer would be lasagna. Everybody loves it. I've learned how to cook it.
01:30:24.720 It's a crowd pleaser. Why can't she name the favorite meal? I've got a lot of palates to
01:30:31.120 appease. So does every mother on earth. What are you saying? Of course, obviously you have more 0.99
01:30:36.380 than one child. You do. But somehow we managed to find an option. And most mothers or fathers,
01:30:43.400 if they're the family cook, would have it at the ready, Dan.
01:30:46.080 100 percent. But she don't cook. OK, because later in the show, she's asked to make something 1.00
01:30:50.620 guess what she does pesto so you know megan from your uh hilarious uh sort of version of
01:30:56.860 with love megan with maureen callaghan you know all she does yeah your parody that's the word 0.94
01:31:01.680 i'm looking for all she does is crudités and dips and fruit so she she actually she's a woman who 0.98
01:31:10.240 has a cooking and lifestyle show who sells cooking and lifestyle products is appearing on a cooking
01:31:15.660 reality show she doesn't cook she makes dips with crudités because i'm sorry that is the easiest
01:31:21.860 question to answer and she doesn't cook for harry poor harry he's not getting home cooking from 0.99
01:31:27.460 megan markle okay no i i totally agree and it was obvious when you watch her stupid show 0.99
01:31:32.220 that her biggest recipe was the martha stewart recipe for one pot pasta which she stole it was 0.96
01:31:38.460 very clear if you line up the two recipes next to each other they are virtually identical which
01:31:44.020 tells you a lot okay here she isn't talking about the description on her website to read the original
01:31:50.700 and the best and so i think uh martha stewart knows that megan markle stole it too
01:31:56.740 oh she completely knows um okay here's her talking about how what desserts she'll allow
01:32:05.040 her children archie and lilibet in sat six the kids jump in a lot especially with the garden i
01:32:10.900 think it's really it's such a nice luxury to be able to have so much space and things to cook and
01:32:15.600 if they say mama can i have dessert you say if you can pick it you can have it um you can't pick
01:32:21.600 chocolate no you can't pick chocolate which is great so you can go pick a nice piece of food
01:32:25.440 or whatnot but now we always have a nice as my husband would say pud after dinner
01:32:28.960 all those poor children if you can't pick it off a tree you can't have it as dessert
01:32:36.020 okay great sounds like a lot of fun dan she's that mom isn't she in fairness though megan my
01:32:44.400 mom is the most amazing woman in the world and i adore her but she was a bit like that my mom was
01:32:48.860 the mom that when we had trick-or-treating mom would say we'll have a bowl of carrots
01:32:53.360 so i think megan markle is that mom because here's the thing megan and this is again a wider point
01:32:59.480 markle doesn't like food and i'm someone who loves my food you know megan i battle with my
01:33:04.980 way. I love my food. It's like my passion in life. And I can really pick out that Meghan Markle
01:33:10.960 doesn't like food. She loves to drink, right? She's a big drinker. She always has a cocktail 0.92
01:33:15.540 in hand, always has a wine in hand. Again, not attacking that, you know, I like a drink too.
01:33:20.360 But I genuinely believe she is not a woman who likes food, who enjoys food. Food for her is some
01:33:26.620 type of weird social status thing. And so, yes, those poor kids, no one wants to go out and forage 0.90
01:33:33.520 for their dessert i know every time your mom's sending you out into your make sure we get it on
01:33:39.660 camera too god forbid we do anything that's not on camera including you made a reference to it
01:33:44.460 we had a report that you know when the buckingham palace day didn't work out for them on their last
01:33:49.960 visit to meet with the king they you know we were supposed to shed a tear for them dan but they
01:33:54.480 actually wound up staying at the estate of uh diana's brother charles he's also charles charles
01:34:00.580 Spencer, which almost puts Buckingham Palace to shame. So we're supposed to feel super sorry for
01:34:06.440 them, but this guy's estate looks like Downton Abbey. And there was a question about whether
01:34:11.560 while there, because that's where Diana is buried, whether while there she would dare
01:34:17.420 try to get a photo op somewhere near Diana's grave. And it appears she did it. She posted
01:34:26.100 pictures online of her two children on the estate. We don't know exactly. I think Diana's buried near
01:34:33.480 a pond or a lake there, but we know very well what she's telegraphing with this shot of her
01:34:38.900 children on that particular estate, Dan. And there's been a lot of reaction to this suggesting
01:34:44.420 she can't go anywhere. She's a disaster tourist. She can't go anywhere where that doesn't bring
01:34:50.320 up a tragedy where she doesn't insert herself or in this case, her family right smack dab in the
01:34:55.380 middle oh i think this is just the start too i mean there's at number one there's absolutely no 0.97
01:35:00.780 doubt that was taken at all thought because she has propagandists in the u.s media largely people
01:35:07.100 magazine and they confirmed that that picture was taken at uh all thought and they are briefed
01:35:13.320 directly by the way i mean people magazine has admitted that harry sometimes emails them direct
01:35:17.460 so so so that definitely is confirmed that picture was taken at all thought but what i think is
01:35:22.320 particularly awful about it is that you know Archie and Lily the two children I don't call
01:35:27.040 her Lilibet Meghan and I don't use their princely titles because Lilibet was the late queen's
01:35:32.380 nickname she never wanted Meghan and Harry to use it and I don't actually think they are genuine
01:35:37.960 prince and princesses so just explaining that's why I call them Archie and Lily rather than using
01:35:42.940 their full titles like I would for other members of the royal family yeah so so this is the first
01:35:49.320 time that ever been there and the fact that megan not only decided to get it on camera but post it
01:35:55.380 says a lot about her but my belief is that this is just the beginning uh they need money and they
01:36:01.760 still have a first look deal with netflix and netflix has been very interested megan for a long
01:36:06.740 time in a documentary you can't blame them it would do massive numbers uh a documentary on
01:36:12.060 princess diana oh yeah if it's about the royals yeah and it's well it's the 30th anniversary of
01:36:15.960 diner's death next year now i don't know about you megan that was a huge moment in in my life you
01:36:21.700 know we all remember we all remember where we were at an age we all remember it and harry and you
01:36:28.400 know i don't agree with harry on virtually anything uh but this is but i'm always going to be honest
01:36:33.000 if i do and this is one area where i do agree with him harry doesn't believe the full story has been
01:36:38.140 told about princess diner's death so if he is prepared to make a documentary for netflix where
01:36:43.900 he goes through some of that obviously it would be a massive blockbuster and the the deal that
01:36:49.840 they have with netflix and ted sarandos megan means that they have to offer it to netflix first
01:36:55.040 it's like what the obamas have it's like a first look deal so effectively netflix has
01:36:58.600 the right of refusal but what i believe the executives want in order to push up the price
01:37:04.400 is imagery of the family at althorpe at diana's grave i don't believe that they had like a
01:37:11.880 professional camera crew in tow although there had been some reports from um alison boshoff in
01:37:17.880 the daily mail and tom sykes of the daily beast that they were actually going to take a professional
01:37:21.920 crew but my understanding is that actually what they did is use their mobile phones and this was
01:37:28.940 something that was very successful for the first netflix documentary do you remember when prince
01:37:32.660 harry was on the freedom flight you know they coming out of horrible canada you know awful
01:37:38.320 canada to to come to the us the freedom flight and they're sitting on the private jet and like
01:37:44.580 harry's panning around you can see doria there but that was just on the mobile phone so i don't
01:37:50.240 believe they needed to have a professional camera crew but that's why they were so desperate for
01:37:54.560 this visit to take place it wasn't to see the king this is the thing people people keep forgiving
01:37:59.320 these guys they don't care about the king they don't care about his mental health they don't
01:38:04.000 care about the british royal family they don't care about the british people they care about
01:38:07.380 money and so they need proximity to royalty but they also need this imagery of the children
01:38:13.880 at all thought so i my uh my educated guess is what i would say megan is that we're going to
01:38:22.360 see a lot more of those kids at diana's grave that was the starter i mean do you actually think
01:38:30.740 that harry is so cynical that to get his next netflix deal he'll do a tell-all about his dead
01:38:38.520 mother i think it's likely yeah uh because he feels that he was i mean i'm using the oprah term
01:38:47.880 right silence he feels he was silenced by the british royal family and by the establishment
01:38:53.520 over the death of princess diana he admitted that in spare his autobiography so
01:38:58.980 the thing is, Megan, he's failed on a lot now. So he's lost his court case against the British
01:39:05.320 government, you know, for the extra security. He's been thrashed in his court case against
01:39:10.800 the Daily Mail. That costs hearing is coming this week. I mean, the cost, Megan, could go to
01:39:15.160 something like 67 US dollars. And sure, there's insurance, but insurance, sorry, 67 million
01:39:22.880 dollars yeah uh insurance i'm going to cover all of that so i think he needs a new battle because
01:39:29.500 he describes himself as a dragon slayer you know he wants to see himself as someone who's taken on
01:39:34.380 the establishment obviously this is all an irony given he is the establishment like harry you are 0.80
01:39:39.940 the most privileged guy on earth shut up about white privilege because if there's one person
01:39:45.280 who does actually have it it's you you're a member of the royal family yes you're the walking 0.97
01:39:49.500 embodiment of it you are the exactly you're the embodiment of white privilege but do i believe
01:39:53.700 he's cynical enough to do it yes because he does feel like the true story of princess diana's death
01:40:01.100 has not been fully told well i mean if he's gonna go blame it on the paparazzi we've heard that line
01:40:07.400 before i look forward to him discussing the drunk driver wait i've got to ask you about the um the
01:40:12.900 oprah comment you just made because she recently spoke to that moment were you her overacting were
01:40:20.200 you silent or silenced were you silent or were you silenced the latter okay very nice i don't
01:40:33.820 think i've done it since i don't know where the hell that came from whoop okay i thought dan that
01:40:41.420 that was actually a very telling exchange, because I think Meghan Markle's on the outs 0.98
01:40:46.960 with Oprah. Oprah didn't say anything nice about Meghan when given the opportunity. She didn't
01:40:53.440 tout that interview, which was much promoted. She just kind of made fun of herself for that
01:40:59.240 gesture and moved on. And of course, it was a massive fail for Oprah. She let Meghan Markle 0.95
01:41:03.640 get away with lying about the royal family. We now know there was no follow-up. It was actually
01:41:08.200 quite pathetic was two actresses acting for the camera but what did you make of that oprah moment
01:41:12.900 oprah winfrey is embarrassed she's mortified but it's too late your legacy oprah is that interview
01:41:21.800 and what was so interesting this was a vanity fair thing right where she watched back highlights of
01:41:27.060 her career like the the you got a car you got a car you got a car but actually what do we remember 0.96
01:41:32.020 Oprah Winfrey for the fact that when she had an opportunity to question Meghan Markle about
01:41:38.060 shocking and we now know untrue allegations I knew they were untrue at the time so did Piers Morgan
01:41:43.580 so did a lot of people but untrue allegations she did nothing and in this interview Meghan her
01:41:48.000 defense is that that was a follow-up question well you're one of the top journalists in the world
01:41:52.860 I'm sorry if Meghan Markle says you I've been silenced what do you say you say oh wow who by 0.57
01:41:58.200 who by that's terrible exactly who silenced you was it sir clive or they wanted you to kill
01:42:03.560 yourself they allowed you to be suicidal without getting you help who specifically she refused to 0.99
01:42:09.900 do it because she wanted to pander she just wanted her big exclusive and she may oprah made a fool 0.97
01:42:15.540 out of herself and gave the one of the biggest liars in public life a complete unfettered forum 0.90
01:42:22.180 to tell to spew her nonsense so yeah you're right they both were humiliated it's not a follow-up
01:42:26.740 question. It's not a follow up question, Oprah. That it's not. Maybe we didn't learn that on the
01:42:33.480 set of the Oprah Winfrey show. Dan Wooden, always a pleasure. Everybody check out Dan.
01:42:38.340 He's an independent journalist now. I knew it would work out. Thank you so much. And thank
01:42:43.040 you for all of your support right from the start. Thank you, Dan. Dan Wooden, everybody.
01:42:47.480 Tomorrow we are going to have an NR Day National Review right here at the MK Show,
01:42:51.620 and we will be diving deep as Anthony Fauci returns to Capitol Hill over his own objection.
01:42:59.280 He tried to avoid this. It's been two years. I can't wait to see Rand Paul this go around. Stay
01:43:06.400 tuned. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear. 0.73