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00:01:00.820 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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00:01:12.560 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

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00:01:34.220 Our friend Rich Lowry of National Review is going to be here soon.

00:01:37.320 And later, we have an exclusive interview with a clarinet player who was not hired despite winning a blind audition,

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00:01:54.540 She knows all about the symphony.

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00:04:01.860 Glenn, welcome back.

00:04:03.440 Always great to see you, Megan.

00:04:04.440 Thanks for having me.

00:04:05.720 All right, I'm going to throw you for a loop here

00:04:07.600 because I definitely want to get to Venezuela and all that stuff,

00:04:09.920 but I want to start with something we didn't even tell you we were going to talk about today,

00:04:13.600 and that is Brian Kohlberger.

00:04:16.820 You're a lawyer and you're a journalist,

00:04:19.000 so I'm going to throw this at you knowing that you can handle this

00:04:22.320 from just your experience on both of those fronts.

00:04:25.660 Something rather, I don't want to say infuriating,

00:04:30.280 but definitely frustrating, annoying, and disappointing

00:04:33.680 has taken place yet again at the New York Times.

00:04:36.520 So they interviewed Mel Kohlberger, short for Melissa,

00:04:41.700 who is Brian Kohlberger, admitted quadruple murderer of the Idaho Four,

00:04:47.660 a crime that took place in 2022 at the University of Idaho

00:04:51.360 while these four students either slept in their beds

00:04:54.200 or were in their rooms at four in the morning.

00:04:56.160 When Brian Kohlberger, who was pursuing his PhD in criminology

00:05:00.480 at the neighboring University of Washington, just 10 miles away,

00:05:04.860 sneaked into their off-campus apartment at the University of Idaho

00:05:08.740 and murdered all four of these young people.

00:05:12.940 Two were 20, two were 21.

00:05:14.560 Zanna Kornodel, Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogan, and Casey Gonsalves.

00:05:22.700 And we know he did the crime because he now admitted it

00:05:25.900 to save his life this summer.

00:05:27.340 He copped a plea deal in exchange for taking the death penalty off the table.

00:05:32.060 Well, now his sister comes out,

00:05:33.580 and in what is an obvious attempt to whitewash

00:05:36.940 whatever her family's involvement in this, if any, was,

00:05:41.200 she gives this interview to the New York Times

00:05:43.240 trying to sound very sympathetic.

00:05:45.000 And I'll tell you the reason I have a problem with it.

00:05:47.760 I don't blame Brian Kohlberger's crimes on his family.

00:05:50.800 I'm not a lunatic.

00:05:52.940 But there have long been questions about what the family knew and when,

00:05:57.920 and in particular, what suspicions this sister, Melissa,

00:06:02.400 Melissa had about her brother and what, if anything,

00:06:06.200 her mother and Brian's mother, same woman, knew about his crimes.

00:06:11.360 And I'm, I'm going to tell you the reporting I'm basing this off of,

00:06:15.860 including that of Howard Bloom,

00:06:17.520 who has owned this story from the beginning,

00:06:20.160 doing exclusive updates on Graydon Carter's publication,

00:06:24.560 Airmail, on this show as well for NBC and Dateline

00:06:28.820 in reporting that was so explosive and on point,

00:06:31.540 it actually led the judge to delay the trial or consider delaying the trial

00:06:35.500 because it was such a big scoop, all the stuff that he and Dateline got.

00:06:39.460 Anyway, Howard Bloom knows what he's writing about

00:06:41.300 and has been proven right time and time again in this case.

00:06:44.440 So she gives this interview, Glenn,

00:06:46.380 and she, it's the reporter's name is Mike Baker.

00:06:49.920 Not that Mike Baker, not, not our former CIA friend,

00:06:53.380 a different reporter.

00:06:54.240 And this guy, from what I can tell,

00:06:56.360 has let this woman completely rehab her image and her family's image

00:07:00.840 without knowing much about the case or without testing much about the case.

00:07:05.840 First, she says, okay, there's some interesting background,

00:07:08.540 some of which we covered in today's AM update.

00:07:10.840 She says she was, by the way, her picture, she's there, she has blue hair.

00:07:14.300 She has like a goth t-shirt on.

00:07:16.140 And she has heavy, weird makeup.

00:07:18.720 And her story is that she was just hired to go work as a mental health therapist.

00:07:24.640 I got to tell you, if I walked into my new therapist

00:07:27.200 and saw this woman sitting there, I would run the other way.

00:07:31.160 A goth, blue haired, you know, sister of Brian Kohlberger, it's a no.

00:07:37.980 And I wasn't the only one who felt that way

00:07:40.160 because she had, she says, to give up her job

00:07:42.580 that she just got as a mental health counselor

00:07:44.860 as soon as her brother got arrested.

00:07:46.720 Shocking.

00:07:48.600 She talks about how when she first heard about the crimes,

00:07:52.980 this is long before his arrest, they happened two months earlier,

00:07:57.060 it occurred to her that he was just the type of person

00:07:59.100 who would leave his door unlocked and go out on late night jogs.

00:08:02.520 So she called him and said,

00:08:03.740 Brian, you're running outside and this psycho killer's on the loose.

00:08:07.220 Be careful.

00:08:08.300 He thanked her for checking on him and assured her he would stay safe.

00:08:11.140 Of course, he knew he would because he knew he was the psycho killer.

00:08:14.860 And that there was no random criminal running around trying to kill college students

00:08:19.040 other than Brian Kohlberger.

00:08:22.220 Then in early December that year,

00:08:23.940 they write her brother returned to their parents' home in Pennsylvania for the holidays.

00:08:27.040 And later that month, he got a call from their sister, Amanda.

00:08:32.120 I'm sorry, Ms. Kohlberger, Mel, got a call from their sister, Amanda,

00:08:35.360 who said cops had burst into the house in the middle of the night

00:08:38.180 and arrested Brian in handcuffs.

00:08:40.740 The sister, Amanda, said to Mel,

00:08:42.680 I'm with the FBI.

00:08:43.740 Brian's been arrested.

00:08:45.300 Mel claims, I was like, for what?

00:08:47.860 The response from Amanda, the Idaho murders.

00:08:50.760 For a brief moment, Mel wondered if it was a prank.

00:08:53.560 Then a sense of nausea overtook her.

00:08:55.760 Then we go on for several pages about what a beautiful family they had.

00:08:59.640 The mother was Catholic, raised them with Catholic values.

00:09:02.040 They read books like Little House on the Prairie

00:09:04.120 by Laura Ingalls Wilder,

00:09:06.820 books we read in my very own family, for that matter.

00:09:09.060 And I, too, was raised by a Catholic mother and father.

00:09:12.820 And I would submit for the record,

00:09:14.400 these are not the values that are taught

00:09:16.200 that would lead one to become a psychopathic

00:09:19.340 quadruple murderer

00:09:21.300 at age, mid-twenties.

00:09:23.820 She talks about how she's been angered

00:09:28.100 by internet posts from people

00:09:29.340 who speculated about her family

00:09:30.860 and what they had known

00:09:32.080 about Kohlberger being the killer.

00:09:34.540 I've always been the person

00:09:35.720 who has spoken up for what's right, she says.

00:09:38.140 If I ever had a reason to believe

00:09:39.820 my brother did anything,

00:09:40.860 I would have turned him in.

00:09:42.260 Absolutely no scrutiny of this

00:09:43.580 by the Times reporter

00:09:45.200 and no testing of it

00:09:46.560 with what's already been reported extensively

00:09:48.800 about this family and this case.

00:09:50.660 He does, however, let her talk about

00:09:54.540 how poor Brian was overweight.

00:09:56.740 He was, now they believe,

00:10:00.020 somebody with autism.

00:10:01.480 He endured persistent bullying.

00:10:03.860 He wrote online of having no emotion,

00:10:06.880 little remorse,

00:10:07.560 and feeling like an organic sack of meat

00:10:09.320 with no self-worth.

00:10:10.860 Later, he spiraled into heroin addiction.

00:10:13.560 How did all that happen, by the way,

00:10:14.920 in such a perfect family?

00:10:15.980 Just reading Little House on the Prairie

00:10:17.840 and spending so much quality time together.

00:10:19.800 It's never addressed.

00:10:22.100 We were all worried

00:10:23.160 that he was on the path to an early death,

00:10:25.920 but then became so proud of him

00:10:27.740 because he had overcome so much

00:10:29.500 and notwithstanding his socially awkward persona

00:10:32.340 and his abrasive nature,

00:10:34.340 he wound up, never violent, by the way, she says,

00:10:37.400 at the University of Washington,

00:10:39.260 pursuing his PhD.

00:10:41.100 Okay.

00:10:41.880 Then she goes on to say,

00:10:43.600 in the days before the raid,

00:10:44.720 they'd gathered for Christmas.

00:10:46.340 They were hugging tightly.

00:10:47.660 They played TV party games.

00:10:49.800 I'm sure it's just the perfect

00:10:50.900 of Norman Rockwell Americana inside this house

00:10:54.440 that produced one of the most prolific

00:10:56.100 young serial killers we've seen in recent decades.

00:10:59.360 Ms. Kohlberger, Mel,

00:11:00.960 was cleaning up in the kitchen.

00:11:02.420 A sharp edge of foil caused her finger to bleed,

00:11:05.160 and her brother,

00:11:06.240 initially expressing disgust at the sight of blood,

00:11:10.060 then helped clean the cut

00:11:11.300 and cover it with a bandage.

00:11:12.700 Of course, we don't get into the nature of the crime,

00:11:17.840 which was by knife that he murdered these four innocents

00:11:23.420 at the University of Idaho.

00:11:25.440 So brutally, Glenn, Mike Baker,

00:11:28.340 I guess didn't think this was worth mentioning,

00:11:30.500 but I realize this is why he included the detail in here,

00:11:33.040 because this feigning disgust at the sight of blood,

00:11:35.920 but this should have been brought home,

00:11:37.180 was they were so bloody, these crimes,

00:11:40.640 that the house itself began to bleed.

00:11:44.360 We saw in the police photos,

00:11:46.280 which I am now putting on the board

00:11:47.620 for the viewing audience on YouTube,

00:11:51.200 this is the exterior of the home,

00:11:53.540 the murder house on the University of Idaho,

00:11:55.580 where blood is dripping outside of the house.

00:11:59.280 That's how badly these young people were hacked to death,

00:12:02.780 and the amount of blood that they spilled.

00:12:05.280 So here he is, feigning disgust,

00:12:08.820 is the word used in the piece,

00:12:09.840 that the sight of blood.

00:12:11.740 And she says, Mel does,

00:12:14.400 that she recalls in those days at home,

00:12:16.700 Brian only briefly mentioning the Idaho murder,

00:12:18.940 saying the investigators were still hunting for the killer.

00:12:23.160 She says, now, here we get to it.

00:12:25.960 Kohlberger, Ms. Kohlberger, Mel,

00:12:27.740 knowing that her brother had driven a white Elantra

00:12:30.160 back from school,

00:12:30.860 said she had briefly wondered

00:12:31.980 if they were looking for the same model.

00:12:33.980 But then she learned

00:12:35.120 that his was from a different year, 2015,

00:12:38.360 and they were only thinking

00:12:39.700 that the model was between years 2011 and 2013.

00:12:43.400 Now, that right there is such an obvious lie, Glenn.

00:12:46.320 Like, you, I don't know if you have siblings.

00:12:49.500 All these years we've been together.

00:12:51.040 I don't know what your family of origin looks like.

00:12:53.260 But if your mind goes to,

00:12:56.080 my brother might be the homicidal maniac

00:12:58.900 who took those four lives,

00:13:00.420 but technically his white Elantra was built

00:13:03.300 two years after the years they're looking for,

00:13:07.900 I'm calling bullshit on you.

00:13:09.940 You, if you've placed your sibling

00:13:11.740 in the field of possible killers,

00:13:13.840 you're actually not relieved

00:13:15.700 that maybe it was a,

00:13:17.700 the cutoff was 2013 as opposed to 2015,

00:13:20.560 which by the way, they later updated anyway.

00:13:23.800 Okay, I'm getting to this.

00:13:25.340 So then they write about how,

00:13:28.320 okay, that, that the mother has been praying daily now

00:13:34.380 for families of the victims,

00:13:35.740 that Mel Kohlberger has put the names of the victims

00:13:39.960 and their birthdays into her digital calendar

00:13:42.340 so she will get reminders about them.

00:13:44.860 During the holidays,

00:13:45.780 her family has felt grief

00:13:47.460 that Mr. Kohlberger could not be with them,

00:13:49.660 but then she would think of the victims' families

00:13:51.220 and the pain they must be feeling.

00:13:52.780 Very careful to say there's only one set of victims

00:13:55.780 and I'm not, I'm not on the list.

00:13:57.480 I get that.

00:13:58.420 Okay, here is what we know from Howard Bloom.

00:14:01.980 He has reported the following,

00:14:05.000 that Mel Kohlberger reportedly confronted her father,

00:14:10.280 Michael Kohlberger,

00:14:11.380 with her fears that Brian was involved in the murders.

00:14:15.260 The book, Howard's, which he wrote

00:14:17.720 When the Night Comes Calling,

00:14:19.480 great book, by the way,

00:14:20.340 The book claims that her father, quote,

00:14:22.640 turned his back and walked away

00:14:24.560 when faced with his daughter's suspicion.

00:14:27.640 This is the daughter, Mel,

00:14:28.760 being interviewed by the Times.

00:14:30.260 The sister, Mel, was reportedly a witness

00:14:32.140 to her brother engaging in odd behavior,

00:14:34.920 such as wearing his rubber gloves

00:14:37.140 and placing his personal garbage into Ziploc bags

00:14:40.100 before disposing of it in a neighbor's trash can

00:14:42.680 in the days leading up to his arrest.

00:14:44.580 That detail, too, omitted by Mike Baker.

00:14:48.880 Nothing about the sister reportedly witnessing Brian

00:14:52.940 doing the most suspicious thing of all.

00:14:55.580 The thing that could have led a jury to convict him

00:14:57.640 even without his DNA on the knife sheath.

00:15:00.340 Taking all of his personal trash,

00:15:02.240 putting it into Ziploc baggies,

00:15:03.660 and then making sure it went out

00:15:04.880 into the neighbor's garbage bin

00:15:06.560 instead of that at his home of origin

00:15:08.660 after he'd gone back to the Poconos with his dad

00:15:11.560 who drove him cross-country.

00:15:13.480 And what, if anything, did the dad know?

00:15:15.380 No.

00:15:15.940 And here's the real capper,

00:15:17.800 the final real capper before I give it to you,

00:15:19.780 Glenn Greenwell.

00:15:20.740 The mother who's praying for the victims

00:15:23.080 and she's Catholic in the little house on the prairie,

00:15:25.700 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:15:27.040 The mother is at the center of this whole thing

00:15:29.780 because while the father did not even bother

00:15:31.840 to show up to the sentencing,

00:15:33.400 allegedly he wasn't feeling well

00:15:34.760 or was having heart trouble

00:15:35.760 and Mel stayed home with him,

00:15:37.460 the mother showed up.

00:15:38.420 And the mother has been there for Brian all along.

00:15:42.660 When we finally got a hold of his phone records,

00:15:46.280 we found out that the murders,

00:15:48.820 which were done at four,

00:15:50.300 between 4.05 and 4.20 a.m.,

00:15:53.920 it was in a 12-minute span, right,

00:15:55.780 in that exact timeframe.

00:15:57.620 And he had turned off his phone

00:15:59.040 from like 2.30 to 4.30 a.m. there

00:16:01.220 while he committed these crimes.

00:16:03.660 Then he turned his phone back on.

00:16:05.580 So he gets back to his home,

00:16:06.680 University of Idaho,

00:16:08.920 sorry, University of Washington

00:16:10.160 by let's say 5.45, 6 at the latest.

00:16:14.340 What happens, or 4.45, 5 at the latest.

00:16:17.920 What happens when he gets there?

00:16:19.580 He calls his mother within an hour.

00:16:23.020 We know from his phone records

00:16:24.380 that at 6.13 a.m.,

00:16:26.800 this is within two hours

00:16:28.160 of having hacked four innocents to death

00:16:30.900 with a knife, just him.

00:16:33.040 At 6.13 a.m.,

00:16:35.280 he made an attempt to call his mother.

00:16:38.060 A minute later,

00:16:39.300 angry that he couldn't get her,

00:16:40.820 he called his dad,

00:16:42.100 asking why his mother did not answer.

00:16:44.200 At 6.17 a.m.,

00:16:46.040 he connects with his mother

00:16:47.400 for 36 minutes.

00:16:50.040 At 8.03 a.m.,

00:16:51.560 he calls his mother again

00:16:53.320 and speaks to her for 54 minutes

00:16:56.000 while driving back to the crime scene

00:16:58.740 in Moscow, Idaho.

00:17:01.460 Why was he doing that?

00:17:02.900 Had she told him,

00:17:04.300 make sure you go back

00:17:06.640 and see about the knife sheath?

00:17:08.100 Had he confessed anything to the mother?

00:17:10.000 It's very hard to believe

00:17:11.420 they didn't discuss it.

00:17:13.280 120 minutes after he did it,

00:17:15.940 when he was obviously very insistent

00:17:17.840 on getting a hold of the mother

00:17:19.200 in the first place,

00:17:20.340 at 9 a.m.,

00:17:21.580 another nine-minute conversation

00:17:23.220 with the mother,

00:17:24.760 totaling over three hours

00:17:26.700 of conversation that day

00:17:27.940 via five calls,

00:17:30.080 none of which is mentioned

00:17:31.700 in this rehabilitative puff piece

00:17:35.140 in the New York Times

00:17:37.140 that did absolutely no kicking

00:17:39.280 of the sister's story or tires, Glenn.

00:17:42.220 And it was a journalistic fail

00:17:44.620 where this guy obviously

00:17:46.240 let himself get used

00:17:47.920 by a young woman

00:17:49.320 with some psychological training

00:17:50.960 on how to manipulate people,

00:17:52.800 as it turns out,

00:17:53.580 according to me.

00:17:54.340 And this had no business

00:17:56.820 appearing in a paper of record

00:17:58.580 like the Times.

00:18:00.100 That's what I wanted

00:18:01.240 to get your thoughts on.

00:18:03.080 Yeah, there's a lot there.

00:18:04.400 And I totally agree

00:18:05.420 that by far the most interesting

00:18:06.720 or at least consequential part

00:18:08.260 of all these events

00:18:09.180 is the journalistic angle.

00:18:11.260 By the way,

00:18:11.880 I do have a brother

00:18:12.500 and I couldn't imagine

00:18:14.620 ever remotely,

00:18:15.680 even for like a fleeting second,

00:18:17.780 considering the possibility

00:18:19.340 that he's a serial killer.

00:18:20.840 And then if I were actually

00:18:22.560 in a realm

00:18:23.100 where I was considering

00:18:23.960 that possibility,

00:18:24.760 that would already

00:18:25.640 be extremely alarming.

00:18:28.060 And the idea that,

00:18:29.500 oh, I'm going to exonerate him

00:18:30.640 only because the car

00:18:32.120 that he was driving

00:18:32.940 was out of the range

00:18:34.020 by about a year.

00:18:35.420 Once you're down that road,

00:18:36.680 you're pretty far,

00:18:37.760 well beyond where anybody

00:18:39.140 would ever be.

00:18:40.460 I would think that would be

00:18:41.000 a pretty big red flag.

00:18:42.460 But the journalistic angle

00:18:43.320 I think is so important, Megan,

00:18:44.860 because I think, you know,

00:18:46.020 you and I work in journalism,

00:18:47.380 so we see it up close.

00:18:49.140 Most people who don't work

00:18:50.120 in journalism don't.

00:18:51.260 Like we don't see, you know,

00:18:52.760 heart surgeries up close

00:18:53.860 or people flying aircraft.

00:18:55.860 And when you do,

00:18:56.380 you see things

00:18:57.320 that I think people

00:18:57.980 should be aware of.

00:18:59.380 Oftentimes,

00:18:59.780 one of the things

00:19:00.740 that is most dangerous

00:19:01.680 to journalism

00:19:02.240 is when you get a source

00:19:03.880 who can provide you

00:19:04.840 with an important value.

00:19:06.280 And this is a big scoop, right?

00:19:08.040 This is the sister

00:19:09.180 of this serial killer

00:19:10.700 in a case that has gotten

00:19:11.660 major attention.

00:19:12.680 He's kind of this enigma

00:19:13.680 and mystery.

00:19:14.360 He has never spoken.

00:19:15.960 He didn't defend himself

00:19:16.920 in court.

00:19:17.360 He pled guilty.

00:19:18.000 No one understands

00:19:18.680 why he did what he did.

00:19:19.760 He won't provide

00:19:20.380 any information.

00:19:21.520 And now the sister

00:19:22.200 is speaking for the first time.

00:19:23.220 It's a big benefit

00:19:24.120 to the reporter

00:19:24.940 at the New York Times

00:19:25.640 to get the story.

00:19:26.340 It's why we're talking about it.

00:19:27.260 It gets a lot of attention.

00:19:28.580 And one of the problems

00:19:29.640 that bad journalists

00:19:30.620 fall into,

00:19:31.520 the temptation

00:19:32.080 that they refuse to resist,

00:19:33.740 is that when you have a source

00:19:35.220 who's giving you

00:19:35.840 an important story

00:19:36.580 that can help your career,

00:19:38.160 it's very tempting

00:19:39.160 to start trying

00:19:39.920 to almost become

00:19:40.660 their advocate,

00:19:41.560 like to take their side,

00:19:42.800 to almost say to them,

00:19:43.840 if you give me this story,

00:19:46.340 I will help you as well.

00:19:48.080 And it becomes

00:19:48.580 this quid pro quo

00:19:49.700 where now the journalist

00:19:50.900 isn't doing journalism

00:19:52.180 by interviewing this source.

00:19:54.860 The journalist hat

00:19:55.660 is out the window

00:19:56.440 because they're so grateful

00:19:57.540 they got the story.

00:19:58.720 And in the course

00:19:59.700 of probably negotiating,

00:20:00.840 they have a personal relationship

00:20:02.220 that develops.

00:20:03.240 And so you have

00:20:03.920 all of these questions.

00:20:04.880 I haven't followed

00:20:05.500 this case that closely,

00:20:06.320 so I can't opine

00:20:07.420 on every aspect of it.

00:20:08.980 But what clearly

00:20:09.740 seems to be the case,

00:20:10.640 and I did look at this article

00:20:11.600 a few days ago

00:20:12.180 when it came out

00:20:12.660 or maybe yesterday,

00:20:13.940 even though I didn't know

00:20:14.720 I was going to talk about it

00:20:15.360 with you,

00:20:15.740 it was my impression,

00:20:16.980 there were so many aspects

00:20:17.880 of the story where you're like,

00:20:18.940 there's so many obvious

00:20:19.980 follow-ups that just

00:20:20.920 aren't in here.

00:20:21.840 I wasn't even aware

00:20:22.580 that there was other reporting

00:20:23.640 that they should have

00:20:24.700 been confronted with,

00:20:25.600 but that I do think

00:20:26.960 is something that happens

00:20:27.780 quite often,

00:20:28.600 and it's a big problem

00:20:30.020 with journalism.

00:20:31.560 It's a total fail,

00:20:33.000 and you're exactly right.

00:20:34.140 He was so excited

00:20:35.000 and enamored with his exclusive

00:20:36.540 that he fell down

00:20:37.820 on the job.

00:20:38.680 And didn't ask

00:20:39.460 the basic follow-up questions,

00:20:41.020 and I don't even know,

00:20:42.260 does he even know

00:20:43.380 about the case?

00:20:44.100 Has he read anything

00:20:44.940 by Howard Bloom?

00:20:46.120 So much,

00:20:46.700 Howard, for example,

00:20:47.740 had been walking us through

00:20:48.660 from the beginning

00:20:49.540 the fact that the FBI

00:20:50.900 had been following

00:20:51.720 Brian Kohlberger

00:20:52.440 when he trekked back home

00:20:53.700 to the Poconos

00:20:54.700 from the University of Washington

00:20:56.380 with his family.

00:20:57.520 Howard is the one

00:20:58.360 who broke the news

00:20:59.140 that the FBI,

00:21:01.160 in trying to match

00:21:02.120 the DNA that was found

00:21:03.400 on the knife sheath,

00:21:04.740 used not just

00:21:06.080 the public database

00:21:07.420 of DNA

00:21:08.260 to see if there was

00:21:09.380 a match,

00:21:10.200 but the private databases

00:21:11.880 too,

00:21:12.840 which is technically

00:21:14.160 a no-no,

00:21:14.880 but it doesn't violate a law,

00:21:16.200 it's just a stated rule,

00:21:18.080 and that's how they found him.

00:21:19.340 Howard broke so many exclusives

00:21:21.120 on this case,

00:21:21.840 and to not actually

00:21:23.200 just do a search

00:21:24.060 or be familiar

00:21:24.560 with his reporting

00:21:25.360 before you get

00:21:26.240 to the family member

00:21:27.580 would also be

00:21:28.640 a dereliction of duty.

00:21:30.000 The entire thing,

00:21:30.900 it's not worth the paper

00:21:31.820 it's printed on.

00:21:32.640 It is an attempt

00:21:34.220 to rehab

00:21:35.100 some suspicious behavior.

00:21:37.560 I'm not blaming

00:21:38.060 the murders on the family,

00:21:39.600 but there is a real question

00:21:40.860 about whether

00:21:41.340 A, Mel Kohlberger

00:21:43.240 had real suspicions

00:21:44.580 about her brother

00:21:45.300 long before the FBI

00:21:46.700 showed up

00:21:47.460 in their house that night

00:21:49.040 that went beyond,

00:21:50.560 oh, gee,

00:21:51.200 they're all washed away

00:21:52.260 by the fact

00:21:52.820 that it turns out

00:21:53.500 the Hyundai Elantra

00:21:54.300 they're looking for

00:21:55.040 is two years,

00:21:55.980 between 2011 and 2013,

00:21:57.700 not his 2015 vehicle,

00:21:59.280 and B,

00:22:00.780 what was the mother

00:22:01.760 discussing

00:22:02.340 in three hours

00:22:04.540 worth of talks

00:22:05.700 two hours

00:22:07.200 after he committed

00:22:08.060 the crimes

00:22:08.600 with her son?

00:22:09.580 That is the most suspicious

00:22:11.340 and, by the way,

00:22:12.180 obvious question

00:22:13.280 that he should have

00:22:14.280 at least asked

00:22:15.040 and if there was no answer

00:22:16.140 should have told us

00:22:17.140 that that exchange

00:22:18.240 took place.

00:22:18.980 So, shame on the times.

00:22:20.900 It's a great get,

00:22:22.040 but only if you handle it

00:22:23.280 properly,

00:22:24.080 which he did not do here.

00:22:25.300 Okay, let's move on

00:22:26.400 to some hard news.

00:22:27.580 We've covered that case

00:22:28.440 extensively here

00:22:29.180 and our audience

00:22:29.740 I think has some interest

00:22:30.820 in it,

00:22:31.120 so that's why

00:22:32.220 I threw you for that loop.

00:22:33.820 Okay, also very much

00:22:35.200 in the news today

00:22:35.940 is Venezuela

00:22:37.280 and President Trump

00:22:38.740 cannot stop talking

00:22:41.120 about Venezuela

00:22:41.940 to literally anybody

00:22:43.160 who calls him.

00:22:44.080 Kristen Welker of NBC,

00:22:45.620 Joe Scarborough of NBC

00:22:46.960 just made news

00:22:47.760 talking to Trump

00:22:49.360 about Venezuela

00:22:51.080 and Trump

00:22:52.680 just told Joe Scarborough

00:22:54.640 in a phone interview

00:22:56.380 that Scarborough

00:22:57.940 has now reported on.

00:23:01.020 Quote,

00:23:02.220 the president's response,

00:23:03.560 Joe,

00:23:04.040 on the difference

00:23:04.800 between Iraq

00:23:05.940 and Venezuela

00:23:07.100 is that Bush

00:23:08.660 didn't keep the oil.

00:23:10.440 We are going to keep

00:23:11.780 the oil.

00:23:12.840 And to underline his point,

00:23:14.240 Trump said his comments,

00:23:15.160 I'm quoting here

00:23:15.580 from the Scarborough report,

00:23:16.900 said his comments

00:23:17.440 were no longer on background

00:23:18.420 and said in 2016,

00:23:20.160 I said we should have

00:23:21.260 kept the oil.

00:23:21.880 It caused a lot

00:23:22.840 of controversy.

00:23:23.880 Well, we should have

00:23:24.660 kept the oil,

00:23:25.200 the president said,

00:23:26.000 and we're going to rebuild

00:23:27.700 their broken down

00:23:28.620 oil facilities

00:23:29.520 and this time

00:23:30.740 we're going to keep

00:23:31.860 the oil.

00:23:33.360 Well, I don't know

00:23:34.620 what that means, Glenn,

00:23:35.980 but, and I realize

00:23:37.120 that Venezuela

00:23:37.880 took a bunch of oil

00:23:39.100 from our oil companies

00:23:40.160 decades ago

00:23:41.340 and didn't fully repay

00:23:42.780 the oil companies,

00:23:44.500 but that's literally

00:23:45.680 decades ago now

00:23:46.900 and I don't know

00:23:47.600 what Trump is talking about,

00:23:48.960 but it seems as close

00:23:49.920 as we're going to get

00:23:50.980 to just an admission

00:23:51.900 that this really is

00:23:52.820 about the oil

00:23:53.520 and that it wasn't,

00:23:55.880 that it was about seizing it,

00:23:57.080 that we're going to seize

00:23:57.860 their oil

00:23:58.420 and not just about

00:23:59.940 keeping it away

00:24:01.220 from people like Iran

00:24:03.960 and Russia

00:24:04.720 and Cuba

00:24:05.680 and other bad actors

00:24:07.260 with whom Maduro

00:24:08.060 had been cooperating.

00:24:09.880 So, by the way,

00:24:10.680 on the heels of that,

00:24:11.760 he also says openly

00:24:13.260 that we need to nurse

00:24:15.720 Venezuela back to health

00:24:17.820 before there can be

00:24:19.320 an election.

00:24:20.020 So, we are there

00:24:21.680 to get the oil.

00:24:22.520 I don't know what

00:24:23.040 the U.S. oil companies

00:24:24.120 are saying about this.

00:24:25.100 We searched

00:24:25.520 but didn't find

00:24:26.120 anything explicitly.

00:24:27.600 And now,

00:24:28.100 instead of, you know,

00:24:29.060 focusing all of our efforts

00:24:30.260 on nursing the United States

00:24:31.640 economy back to health,

00:24:32.980 we're going to be

00:24:33.720 nursing Venezuela

00:24:34.800 back to a place

00:24:36.220 where we can trust

00:24:36.900 its elections.

00:24:37.900 We don't know

00:24:38.380 when they're happening.

00:24:39.780 So, this is potentially

00:24:41.240 an issue for Trump

00:24:42.120 as we go forward

00:24:42.840 to the midterms.

00:24:43.580 I'll give you

00:24:43.920 one other fact.

00:24:45.000 He says,

00:24:45.520 no, it's not.

00:24:46.520 He says,

00:24:47.320 and I quote,

00:24:47.860 MAGA is with me.

00:24:49.140 He says,

00:24:50.520 MAGA loves it.

00:24:51.380 MAGA loves what I'm doing.

00:24:52.440 MAGA loves everything I do.

00:24:53.940 MAGA is me.

00:24:55.280 MAGA loves everything I do.

00:24:57.020 And I love everything I do, too.

00:24:59.160 So, your thoughts

00:25:00.480 on all of that?

00:25:02.020 First of all,

00:25:02.820 I think one of the big problems

00:25:04.080 here is that

00:25:05.140 this is a highly

00:25:06.200 consequential action.

00:25:07.880 You can call it a war

00:25:08.840 or not a war

00:25:09.860 if you want.

00:25:10.620 I personally regard it

00:25:11.660 as a war

00:25:12.080 when we send our air force

00:25:13.180 and bomb the crap

00:25:14.700 out of multiple cities

00:25:15.700 in the country,

00:25:16.340 including their capital,

00:25:17.280 after we have

00:25:18.220 a massive military buildup

00:25:19.540 and spend months

00:25:20.180 bombing their boats

00:25:21.260 off the international waters

00:25:22.940 of their coast

00:25:23.500 with the CIA covert operation

00:25:25.020 inside the country

00:25:26.120 that has lasted many months,

00:25:27.340 invade their country

00:25:28.040 with our military,

00:25:29.220 take their leader,

00:25:30.140 bring him back to Washington,

00:25:31.140 and then have the president

00:25:32.060 declare the United States

00:25:33.740 now in charge of that country,

00:25:35.060 ruling that country,

00:25:35.860 governing that country.

00:25:36.540 To me, that's a war,

00:25:37.400 but you can call it

00:25:38.000 whatever you want.

00:25:39.180 And also,

00:25:39.780 we don't know

00:25:40.240 how far this is going to go.

00:25:42.100 President Trump himself

00:25:43.040 has said,

00:25:43.520 this may not be the end.

00:25:44.400 We may put troops

00:25:45.180 on the ground.

00:25:45.640 He said he's not afraid of that.

00:25:47.340 He's happy to do that

00:25:48.400 if that's necessary.

00:25:49.840 So there's a lot more

00:25:51.080 that can happen,

00:25:52.000 but even in terms of

00:25:52.840 what has happened

00:25:53.460 up to this point,

00:25:54.500 there's two problems,

00:25:55.440 major problems with it.

00:25:56.360 The first one is,

00:25:57.340 this was never discussed

00:25:58.400 during the campaign.

00:25:59.460 We just had a major

00:26:00.840 presidential campaign

00:26:02.060 that went on for 18 months

00:26:03.340 as they always do.

00:26:04.880 We had presidential debates,

00:26:06.700 campaign planks.

00:26:07.960 Nobody ever suggested

00:26:09.400 that it was somehow

00:26:10.520 important to our national security

00:26:11.980 or otherwise in our interest

00:26:13.300 to go in and effectuate

00:26:15.280 regime change in Venezuela

00:26:17.000 using our military

00:26:18.240 and our CIA.

00:26:19.460 That was never discussed.

00:26:21.000 To the extent

00:26:21.760 anything was discussed,

00:26:23.200 there was a claim,

00:26:24.080 which I agree with,

00:26:24.860 that we have a major problem

00:26:26.040 with fentanyl

00:26:26.720 entering the United States.

00:26:27.780 I think the big problem is

00:26:28.780 why do so many Americans

00:26:29.680 want to consume drugs?

00:26:31.220 But in terms of the supply,

00:26:33.300 fentanyl doesn't come

00:26:34.100 from Venezuela.

00:26:34.960 Trump himself said

00:26:35.800 thousands of times

00:26:36.700 fentanyl comes,

00:26:37.640 their precursors do from China,

00:26:38.880 and they come through Mexico.

00:26:40.620 And to the extent

00:26:41.320 he proposed any solution,

00:26:42.580 it wasn't going

00:26:43.260 and doing regime change

00:26:44.260 in Venezuela,

00:26:44.920 it was barbing the drug cartels

00:26:46.720 in Mexico,

00:26:47.340 which we haven't done,

00:26:48.700 and it suddenly switched

00:26:49.780 to this other thing.

00:26:51.140 So when you have that,

00:26:52.320 the fact that we have

00:26:52.880 a major election,

00:26:53.700 there's been no real discussion

00:26:54.720 of this,

00:26:55.080 it suddenly happens,

00:26:56.380 combined with the fact

00:26:57.360 that the rationale

00:26:57.920 keeps changing.

00:26:59.340 Originally,

00:26:59.840 we were told

00:27:00.500 we have to do this

00:27:01.660 because drugs

00:27:02.820 are coming from Venezuela.

00:27:03.960 As I just said,

00:27:04.820 fentanyl,

00:27:05.200 which is by far

00:27:05.780 the most concerning drug,

00:27:06.920 doesn't come from Venezuela.

00:27:08.520 Cocaine,

00:27:09.200 a small percentage,

00:27:10.540 7% to 9%,

00:27:11.400 comes from Venezuela.

00:27:12.760 These are all

00:27:13.160 according to government

00:27:13.780 reports under Donald Trump

00:27:15.020 that his DEA

00:27:16.260 and other agencies prepared.

00:27:18.580 And also,

00:27:19.720 just because we take Maduro out

00:27:21.180 and leave the government

00:27:21.800 in place

00:27:22.120 doesn't mean that

00:27:22.700 the drug cartels

00:27:23.720 are going to disappear.

00:27:24.640 We're not in Venezuela.

00:27:26.220 How are we going to stop

00:27:27.100 that or change?

00:27:28.160 And then Colombia

00:27:28.900 and other countries,

00:27:29.760 including Mexico,

00:27:30.480 can just,

00:27:30.920 even if the drug flow

00:27:31.660 were impeded from Venezuela,

00:27:33.020 just send more drugs

00:27:34.200 into the United States.

00:27:34.860 It's not going to impede

00:27:35.600 a single iota of drugs

00:27:36.980 in the United States.

00:27:37.600 It's not going to help

00:27:38.760 people who have

00:27:39.600 drug addiction problems

00:27:40.420 and want drugs

00:27:41.100 and keep consuming drugs

00:27:42.040 in the United States.

00:27:43.000 Then we were told

00:27:43.600 it's about liberating

00:27:44.920 the Venezuelan people,

00:27:46.320 except the entire

00:27:48.200 communist government

00:27:49.200 under Maduro

00:27:49.880 is still in place.

00:27:50.940 President Trump

00:27:51.500 wants to leave them in place,

00:27:52.800 at least for the time being.

00:27:53.860 He's saying there,

00:27:54.440 we don't want to have elections.

00:27:55.860 There was an assumption

00:27:56.600 that President Trump

00:27:57.520 would put into power

00:27:59.380 the opposition candidate,

00:28:01.680 Edmond Gonzalez,

00:28:02.200 who was declared

00:28:03.280 the winner of the last election,

00:28:04.740 or Maria Machado,

00:28:05.540 the Nobel Prize winner.

00:28:06.920 And he's saying,

00:28:07.400 no, we're not going

00:28:07.940 to put them in place.

00:28:08.680 We're going to do business

00:28:09.340 with the communist regime.

00:28:10.820 There's evidence that

00:28:11.880 there's more repression

00:28:13.020 now in Venezuela

00:28:13.680 because they feel like

00:28:14.680 they've been attacked externally.

00:28:16.220 So that rationale

00:28:17.840 has gone by the wayside.

00:28:19.300 And then what?

00:28:19.940 We're going to take their oil.

00:28:20.900 Do you know how long

00:28:21.360 it's going to take

00:28:21.900 to refurbish that oil infrastructure?

00:28:25.360 And Megan,

00:28:26.140 even if we steal their oil,

00:28:28.360 and I can promise you,

00:28:29.340 if we do that,

00:28:30.660 obviously a lot of people

00:28:31.600 in Venezuela

00:28:32.000 are going to fight very hard

00:28:33.560 against the United States,

00:28:34.500 against that.

00:28:34.840 We're going to be dragged

00:28:35.460 into the middle

00:28:36.060 of a guerrilla war

00:28:37.120 of the kind

00:28:37.900 that any country would fight

00:28:39.080 if we say we're going

00:28:39.660 to steal your oil

00:28:40.560 for our benefit.

00:28:41.860 But for whose benefit

00:28:42.900 would that be?

00:28:43.640 For the shareholders

00:28:44.480 and the executives

00:28:45.400 of Exxon and Chevron

00:28:47.260 and these international

00:28:48.740 oil conglomerates,

00:28:49.760 none of that is going

00:28:50.380 to flow to the benefit

00:28:51.480 of the American people.

00:28:53.000 So the question is

00:28:53.700 for whose benefit

00:28:55.440 is all of this happening?

00:28:57.100 I think Americans voted

00:28:58.280 for no more regime change wars.

00:29:00.120 We don't want to be

00:29:00.780 governing other countries.

00:29:01.780 We can barely govern our own.

00:29:03.100 And they've made

00:29:04.120 that repeatedly clear.

00:29:05.160 I think it's one of the reasons

00:29:05.840 why they voted

00:29:06.400 for President Trump

00:29:07.180 because he promised

00:29:07.960 not to do more regime change wars.

00:29:09.860 And now suddenly

00:29:10.480 because MAGA loves it

00:29:12.020 and MAGA loves everything

00:29:13.100 that he does,

00:29:13.660 which may be true,

00:29:14.640 but MAGA is a small portion

00:29:16.300 of the voting population.

00:29:18.160 I think it's going to create

00:29:19.040 a lot of political problems

00:29:19.960 for Trump in the midterms,

00:29:21.180 but much more importantly,

00:29:22.680 major geopolitical problems

00:29:23.980 for the United States.

00:29:24.860 What we're seeing now

00:29:27.040 is many conservatives

00:29:28.840 who are kind of leaning

00:29:30.140 into American power

00:29:31.420 and openly using

00:29:32.720 the term imperialism.

00:29:34.220 Like, we're fine with that.

00:29:35.840 You know what?

00:29:36.460 We're the badass

00:29:37.660 of the Western hemisphere.

00:29:39.400 We can do it.

00:29:40.580 We have the military capability

00:29:42.240 and might to show off

00:29:45.120 in this way,

00:29:45.720 which is a good deterrent

00:29:46.720 for these bad guys

00:29:47.600 to see like only we

00:29:48.720 could pull this off.

00:29:49.640 You know, like good for us.

00:29:50.760 You better not F with us.

00:29:51.960 And, you know,

00:29:53.680 if it takes messing

00:29:54.580 with like this tin pot country,

00:29:57.140 that's what I've heard

00:29:57.600 people say,

00:29:58.640 then too bad.

00:29:59.920 Who gives a shit

00:30:00.680 about Venezuela

00:30:01.480 is what a lot of people

00:30:02.660 are kind of saying.

00:30:03.760 Like, they've F'd with us

00:30:04.900 for too long.

00:30:05.780 They were playing footsie

00:30:07.200 with our enemies

00:30:07.980 who cannot have

00:30:09.500 a greater foothold

00:30:10.720 in the Western hemisphere.

00:30:12.520 You know, Teddy Roosevelt

00:30:13.360 wouldn't have allowed this.

00:30:14.600 Monroe wouldn't have allowed this.

00:30:16.340 And why should Donald J. Trump

00:30:18.100 allow this

00:30:18.720 when he can send

00:30:19.500 the Delta Force in there

00:30:20.740 and boom,

00:30:22.260 Bob's your uncle.

00:30:23.060 Maduro's out.

00:30:24.180 Yes, his vice president

00:30:25.480 is still running the country.

00:30:26.560 But as Trump says,

00:30:27.920 we control her

00:30:28.780 because we control

00:30:29.520 the oil embargo

00:30:30.260 happening around Venezuela.

00:30:33.620 This is not new, Megan.

00:30:35.660 I mean, nobody doubts

00:30:37.000 that the United States

00:30:38.400 has the most powerful

00:30:39.720 military on the planet.

00:30:41.140 China is caught up

00:30:42.020 in a lot of ways.

00:30:42.980 But overall,

00:30:43.980 the United States military

00:30:44.720 is by far

00:30:45.640 the most powerful

00:30:46.720 military force on the planet.

00:30:48.140 I don't know anyone

00:30:49.020 literally who doubts that.

00:30:50.800 We are now spending

00:30:52.160 a trillion dollars a year,

00:30:54.700 the first ever

00:30:55.480 trillion dollar a year budget

00:30:57.020 on our military.

00:30:57.860 This is all going

00:30:58.620 to the coffers of Boeing

00:30:59.880 and Northrop Grumman

00:31:00.740 and Palantir

00:31:01.940 and all the rest

00:31:02.780 of the military industrial complex

00:31:04.160 that I thought

00:31:04.740 we were supposed

00:31:05.200 to be worried about

00:31:06.040 and we're trying to weaken.

00:31:06.980 So if you want

00:31:08.340 to take the position

00:31:09.080 that, hey,

00:31:09.700 we're back to 2002,

00:31:11.400 we're just going

00:31:11.760 to go around the world

00:31:12.480 bombing people,

00:31:13.900 invading people.

00:31:15.640 Stand by.

00:31:16.760 That doesn't work.

00:31:18.000 President Trump himself

00:31:18.760 is saying,

00:31:19.140 no, we're going

00:31:19.480 to rebuild Venezuela.

00:31:21.800 Are you able to hear me?

00:31:23.180 Yeah, now I got you.

00:31:23.920 Keep going.

00:31:25.120 Yeah, so I was saying

00:31:25.660 there's this attempt

00:31:26.520 to distinguish

00:31:27.120 between what this is

00:31:28.380 and neoconservatism

00:31:29.440 by saying, no,

00:31:29.960 the neocons wanted

00:31:30.780 to nation build.

00:31:32.620 They actually really didn't.

00:31:33.960 They just wanted

00:31:34.360 to bomb and kill enemies

00:31:35.680 and that's what we were doing

00:31:36.740 and it actually redounded

00:31:37.900 to our harm

00:31:39.160 in so many ways.

00:31:40.100 We tried this

00:31:40.740 so many times

00:31:41.400 throughout history.

00:31:41.940 It's not like

00:31:42.220 the United States

00:31:42.660 has been shy

00:31:43.420 about invading

00:31:44.340 other countries

00:31:44.940 and overthrowing regimes.

00:31:46.160 We've been doing this

00:31:46.780 for many, many decades

00:31:47.700 and look at what we have,

00:31:49.280 $38 trillion in debt

00:31:50.880 and educational system

00:31:51.960 and healthcare system

00:31:52.700 that are totally broken,

00:31:53.600 massive income inequality,

00:31:55.000 people who can't buy a home

00:31:56.320 and now the idea

00:31:57.720 is we're just going

00:31:58.220 to double down

00:31:58.800 and we're going

00:31:59.160 to put more and more

00:31:59.840 into our military.

00:32:01.100 Honestly,

00:32:01.620 I don't mean to be

00:32:02.380 too psychoanalytical

00:32:03.800 about this

00:32:04.420 but I do think

00:32:05.380 this idea that like,

00:32:06.280 yeah, we're back

00:32:07.000 and we're going

00:32:07.360 to dominate the world.

00:32:08.580 This is like

00:32:09.180 a very psychological need

00:32:11.980 that I think comes

00:32:12.840 from weakness

00:32:13.820 that a lot of people feel

00:32:14.900 like they don't get

00:32:16.020 to really go to war.

00:32:16.980 Only a tiny fraction

00:32:17.820 of our population

00:32:18.560 are the people

00:32:18.980 who fight in it

00:32:19.580 at least unless

00:32:20.340 we have a draft again.

00:32:21.920 People don't have

00:32:22.640 an opportunity

00:32:23.060 to really feel

00:32:23.860 like they're purposeful

00:32:24.900 and brave

00:32:25.800 and courageous

00:32:26.540 and connected

00:32:27.280 to a mission.

00:32:28.380 And so by getting

00:32:28.860 to watch our military

00:32:30.200 from afar

00:32:31.020 carry out successful operations,

00:32:33.540 people get to feel

00:32:34.420 strong and powerful.

00:32:35.420 Like you see these people

00:32:36.380 walking around

00:32:36.880 who don't really display

00:32:37.800 any bravery

00:32:38.260 or strength themselves

00:32:39.220 saying like,

00:32:40.020 yeah,

00:32:40.180 this is our hemisphere.

00:32:41.960 We,

00:32:42.200 and they're getting

00:32:42.700 like this kind

00:32:43.240 of vicarious strength

00:32:44.200 from the bravery

00:32:44.720 of others.

00:32:45.640 I think it's very,

00:32:46.720 a very damaging way

00:32:47.720 to try and feel good

00:32:48.880 about yourself.

00:32:49.540 And the bigger problem

00:32:50.620 is you can go

00:32:52.100 and fight the rest

00:32:52.800 of the world.

00:32:53.280 The reason that big powers

00:32:54.800 like England

00:32:55.520 or France

00:32:56.800 or Belgium

00:32:57.440 or the United States

00:32:58.200 stop being imperial powers

00:32:59.700 is because it sucks

00:33:01.080 all of your resources

00:33:02.180 out of you.

00:33:03.060 You're constantly

00:33:03.580 slaughtering people

00:33:04.500 and murdering people,

00:33:05.540 trying to manage countries

00:33:07.120 that you don't understand

00:33:08.180 thousands of miles away

00:33:09.360 using all kinds

00:33:10.680 of inhumane force.

00:33:12.000 People decided

00:33:12.860 that it wasn't worth it anymore.

00:33:14.260 That's why imperialism

00:33:15.480 was renounced

00:33:16.680 and this idea

00:33:17.160 that we're going

00:33:17.480 to go back to it.

00:33:18.780 I thought the whole point

00:33:19.560 of the Trump movement

00:33:20.160 was,

00:33:20.620 we're going to focus

00:33:21.320 our resources here at home.

00:33:22.780 We're going to invest

00:33:23.600 in our communities,

00:33:24.400 in our people.

00:33:25.400 We don't want to build up

00:33:26.180 the military industrial complex.

00:33:27.360 We don't want to constantly

00:33:28.120 be fighting wars.

00:33:29.540 And like overnight,

00:33:30.440 all of that vanished.

00:33:31.520 And now we're right back

00:33:32.360 to this sort of like

00:33:33.080 Lindsey Graham,

00:33:34.460 Bill Kristol model

00:33:35.480 of the world

00:33:36.000 that I thought

00:33:36.580 the movement

00:33:37.240 was about renouncing.

00:33:38.880 Totally.

00:33:39.380 You saw how happy

00:33:40.060 Lindsey Graham was yesterday.

00:33:41.500 It was like,

00:33:42.040 okay.

00:33:43.240 He was twitching

00:33:45.340 with like ecstasy.

00:33:46.600 I mean,

00:33:46.820 I've never seen him

00:33:47.720 smiling that much

00:33:48.420 and why wouldn't he?

00:33:49.500 I don't blame him.

00:33:50.340 He's getting what he wants.

00:33:51.940 No,

00:33:52.380 I know.

00:33:52.720 It's like Trump's been

00:33:54.240 surrounded by actual neocons

00:33:56.740 who really love bombing things

00:33:59.040 and the policies seem

00:34:00.840 to reflect that.

00:34:01.620 Now,

00:34:01.880 I don't,

00:34:02.340 you know,

00:34:02.480 Trump does what he wants

00:34:03.280 to do,

00:34:03.700 but one does wonder

00:34:06.680 if you're hanging out

00:34:07.840 with Lindsey Graham

00:34:08.520 whether that's a great thing

00:34:09.680 as our president.

00:34:11.000 Now,

00:34:11.220 Trump did add to the story.

00:34:13.060 I read this

00:34:14.000 in the New York Times

00:34:15.920 and at first

00:34:16.380 I didn't believe it

00:34:17.580 because there's been

00:34:18.180 a lot of bullshit

00:34:18.920 going on about Trump.

00:34:20.300 Like the Washington Post

00:34:21.240 yesterday reported

00:34:22.880 that the reason

00:34:23.580 he doesn't want

00:34:24.580 Maria Machado

00:34:27.100 to-

00:34:27.200 Because she won the Nobel Prize.

00:34:28.560 Yes,

00:34:28.980 because she just sounded

00:34:30.060 like bullshit

00:34:30.740 and now already

00:34:31.640 the New York Times

00:34:33.520 and the Wall Street Journal

00:34:34.360 have both said

00:34:35.040 that that's a bunch

00:34:35.800 of nonsense.

00:34:36.540 So you do have

00:34:37.260 to be very skeptical.

00:34:38.600 But the New York Times

00:34:39.660 on Sunday reported

00:34:40.640 and I'm reading here,

00:34:42.820 Mr. Maduro's

00:34:43.560 regular public dancing

00:34:44.820 and other displays

00:34:46.000 of nonchalance

00:34:46.800 in recent weeks

00:34:47.500 helped persuade

00:34:48.240 some of the Trump team

00:34:49.180 that the Venezuelan

00:34:49.920 president was mocking them

00:34:51.060 and trying to call

00:34:52.020 what he believed

00:34:52.600 to be a bluff

00:34:53.340 according to two of the people

00:34:54.680 who spoke on the condition

00:34:55.500 of anonymity.

00:34:56.760 So the White House

00:34:57.440 decided to follow through

00:34:58.620 on its military threats

00:35:00.000 which sounded kind of

00:35:01.280 too cute by half

00:35:02.240 but then

00:35:03.140 the Times reported

00:35:04.440 this this morning,

00:35:05.300 just this morning.

00:35:06.320 President Trump

00:35:06.880 is addressing

00:35:07.360 Republican lawmakers

00:35:08.220 at the House GOP retreat.

00:35:09.700 That happened this morning

00:35:10.500 at 10 a.m.

00:35:11.220 In wide-ranging remarks

00:35:12.860 he praised

00:35:13.880 the U.S. raid

00:35:14.660 in Venezuela

00:35:15.160 and said

00:35:16.320 that he had been annoyed

00:35:17.640 at the way

00:35:18.340 the ousted

00:35:18.800 Venezuelan president

00:35:19.740 Nicolas Maduro

00:35:20.380 had danced

00:35:21.260 as Trump administration

00:35:22.720 officials

00:35:23.920 escalated

00:35:24.800 their threats

00:35:25.760 against him

00:35:26.600 in the weeks

00:35:26.980 before the raid.

00:35:28.400 Here is

00:35:29.220 that moment

00:35:30.480 today

00:35:31.700 in Sat One.

00:35:33.560 They've been after

00:35:34.480 this guy

00:35:34.940 for years

00:35:35.700 and years

00:35:36.340 and years

00:35:37.100 and you know

00:35:39.120 he's a violent guy

00:35:40.200 he gets up there

00:35:41.760 and he tries to

00:35:42.380 imitate my dance

00:35:43.340 a little bit

00:35:44.000 but he's a violent guy

00:35:48.060 and he's killed

00:35:49.340 millions of people

00:35:50.280 he's tortured

00:35:51.680 they have a torture chamber

00:35:52.900 in the middle of

00:35:53.760 Caracas

00:35:55.080 So he mentioned

00:35:56.920 the dancing

00:35:57.620 by the way

00:35:58.280 here's the dancing

00:35:59.160 in case you didn't see it

00:36:00.640 this is a video

00:36:01.300 from November 22nd

00:36:03.500 here is Maduro

00:36:04.340 trying to imitate

00:36:06.380 the Trump dance

00:36:07.800 which could be

00:36:09.400 the reason

00:36:09.860 he's in handcuffs

00:36:11.060 in a New York City

00:36:12.360 jail

00:36:13.340 at the moment

00:36:14.160 which

00:36:14.700 is mildly amusing

00:36:16.820 until you really

00:36:18.060 think it through

00:36:18.740 and then it gets

00:36:19.440 kind of disturbing

00:36:20.380 your thoughts Glenn?

00:36:21.460 Here's the thing

00:36:22.600 that's bothering me Megan

00:36:23.440 when I was

00:36:24.800 comparing Trump's

00:36:27.560 foreign policy instincts

00:36:28.740 to the Democrats

00:36:29.420 under Biden and Harris

00:36:30.340 and also especially

00:36:31.120 Hillary Clinton

00:36:31.680 what always struck me

00:36:33.480 about Donald Trump

00:36:34.200 and I said this many times

00:36:35.420 on television

00:36:36.180 and other places

00:36:37.120 is that when he

00:36:38.820 talked about war

00:36:39.700 he talked about war

00:36:40.960 and prioritized

00:36:42.220 the most important

00:36:42.920 thing about it

00:36:43.500 which is that people

00:36:44.420 in large numbers

00:36:45.740 die

00:36:46.200 you bomb people

00:36:47.300 and we talk about

00:36:48.920 bombing

00:36:49.200 but there's people

00:36:49.960 on the ground

00:36:50.400 who are now dead

00:36:51.280 innocent people

00:36:52.380 he talks about

00:36:53.280 the war in Ukraine

00:36:53.840 he always is emphasizing

00:36:54.860 the number of people

00:36:55.500 who are died

00:36:56.360 in a way that I think

00:36:57.000 is very important

00:36:57.620 and very healthy

00:36:58.300 and he always showed

00:36:59.640 this kind of aversion

00:37:00.700 to war because of that

00:37:02.040 and it is true

00:37:02.980 that in his first term

00:37:04.020 he was the first president

00:37:05.460 not to involve

00:37:06.380 the United States

00:37:06.980 in a new war

00:37:07.640 in decades

00:37:08.440 that really was true

00:37:09.320 about him

00:37:09.660 and I used to talk

00:37:10.280 about that a lot

00:37:11.020 in this last year though

00:37:13.380 and I started noticing

00:37:14.560 this when he bombed

00:37:15.680 Yemen

00:37:16.400 in the first month

00:37:17.480 after criticizing

00:37:18.200 Biden for having

00:37:19.740 bombed Yemen

00:37:20.200 and then he restarted

00:37:20.920 that Biden

00:37:21.240 that bombing campaign

00:37:22.200 but especially

00:37:22.720 when he bombed

00:37:23.880 Iran in conjunction

00:37:25.480 with Israel

00:37:26.080 and he started

00:37:26.920 going around

00:37:27.340 talking about

00:37:27.800 how he and Netanyahu

00:37:28.840 were war heroes

00:37:30.240 and he kept saying

00:37:31.400 Netanyahu deserves

00:37:32.600 a pardon

00:37:33.120 for the criminal charges

00:37:34.080 that he faced

00:37:34.540 because those two

00:37:35.280 are war heroes

00:37:36.160 and you could see

00:37:37.360 Trump really taking

00:37:38.580 this sort of like

00:37:39.400 pride and sense

00:37:41.420 of strength

00:37:42.020 he didn't of course

00:37:42.660 fight in the military

00:37:43.400 there was the Vietnam War

00:37:44.280 that he avoided

00:37:44.860 but he started feeling

00:37:45.920 like he was a war hero

00:37:46.960 and he was starting

00:37:47.520 to get this kind

00:37:48.180 of positive feeling

00:37:49.140 from ordering things bombed

00:37:51.020 and from pulling things up

00:37:52.340 and from showing

00:37:53.280 that he was the strongest

00:37:54.380 and so in the first term

00:37:56.900 John Bolton tried

00:37:57.680 to pressure him

00:37:58.360 so did Marco Rubio

00:37:59.140 to do regime change

00:38:00.020 in Venezuela

00:38:00.420 and he was okay with it

00:38:01.800 and then he realized

00:38:02.480 it was too hard

00:38:03.160 and he didn't do it

00:38:03.960 and that's what led

00:38:04.520 to John Bolton leaving

00:38:05.260 and now suddenly

00:38:06.400 we're back to

00:38:07.220 oh yeah

00:38:07.920 look what happened

00:38:08.620 he defied me

00:38:09.540 and I went in

00:38:10.540 and we got him

00:38:11.200 like he risked

00:38:11.700 the lives of soldiers

00:38:12.520 and our military

00:38:13.240 and potentially started

00:38:14.420 a new war in Venezuela

00:38:15.260 because he didn't

00:38:16.620 like the fact

00:38:17.140 that Maduro

00:38:17.920 was dancing

00:38:18.920 and I do believe

00:38:19.880 that was part

00:38:20.840 of the motive

00:38:21.160 because none of it

00:38:22.360 none of the rest

00:38:23.080 of it makes sense

00:38:23.900 in terms of what it is

00:38:24.860 that we did here

00:38:25.580 the last thing

00:38:26.580 I just want to say

00:38:27.060 quickly Megan

00:38:27.480 if I could

00:38:27.840 is like

00:38:28.160 even if a country

00:38:31.320 is weaker

00:38:31.940 even if a country

00:38:32.980 doesn't have the military

00:38:33.680 that the United States

00:38:34.260 has

00:38:34.600 people just instinctively

00:38:36.560 have nationalistic pride

00:38:37.820 just like the United States

00:38:38.760 does

00:38:38.960 if we get attacked

00:38:39.860 or people threaten us

00:38:41.160 we unite behind

00:38:42.020 our government

00:38:42.600 against them

00:38:43.440 that is what countries do

00:38:45.380 and if Venezuelans

00:38:46.560 including ones

00:38:47.260 who don't like Maduro

00:38:48.140 who hate Maduro

00:38:49.020 think the United States

00:38:50.320 is there to take their oil

00:38:51.600 and use it for the benefit

00:38:52.740 of big oil companies

00:38:53.680 that are Americans

00:38:54.280 of course they're going to

00:38:55.660 fight the United States

00:38:56.520 and not just they

00:38:57.280 but people throughout the region

00:38:58.520 it's going to generate

00:38:59.700 the kind of anti-American

00:39:00.600 sentiment that we saw

00:39:02.040 and still see

00:39:02.980 in the Middle East

00:39:03.640 because of the same behavior

00:39:04.780 there's long-term consequences

00:39:06.480 to all of this

00:39:07.120 no matter how triumphalist

00:39:08.380 people might be feeling

00:39:09.240 right now

00:39:09.760 there's

00:39:10.640 I mean

00:39:10.960 Trump is too smart

00:39:11.880 to not realize that

00:39:12.760 there is no way

00:39:14.220 he's planning on

00:39:14.840 just stealing the oil

00:39:16.480 without giving anything

00:39:17.740 to the Venezuelans

00:39:18.660 I just think

00:39:19.080 he's too smart

00:39:19.800 you know

00:39:20.440 he may be talking loosely

00:39:21.700 he's definitely talking loosely

00:39:23.360 to NBC and Scarborough

00:39:24.780 but

00:39:25.500 you know

00:39:26.680 as for official policy

00:39:27.880 it's got to involve

00:39:28.900 more than that

00:39:29.420 it has to come

00:39:30.280 at the enrichment

00:39:31.200 of the Venezuelans

00:39:32.200 or he would know

00:39:33.300 what they would do

00:39:34.340 I mean

00:39:34.780 so far

00:39:35.500 what we've seen

00:39:36.480 is reactions

00:39:37.100 out of Venezuela

00:39:38.160 that appear

00:39:39.680 to be

00:39:40.780 favorable

00:39:41.680 though

00:39:42.380 some of them

00:39:43.060 are old

00:39:43.480 like

00:39:43.680 you do have

00:39:44.300 to be very careful

00:39:45.020 about what you're

00:39:45.640 seeing online

00:39:46.500 I know you've been

00:39:47.600 tweeting about

00:39:48.060 some of the videos

00:39:48.880 that are

00:39:49.260 like four years old

00:39:50.500 it's like

00:39:50.840 no no

00:39:51.080 they were cheering

00:39:51.500 about something else

00:39:52.140 but there are

00:39:53.340 definitely

00:39:53.800 many Venezuelans

00:39:55.140 who are all over

00:39:56.000 X

00:39:56.400 praising President Trump

00:39:57.980 I mean

00:39:58.240 Ana Navarro

00:39:59.600 on The View

00:40:00.900 was praising

00:40:01.820 President Trump

00:40:02.440 about this

00:40:02.900 it does not seem

00:40:04.080 like we went in there

00:40:05.200 and decapitated

00:40:05.960 a regime

00:40:06.380 that was super popular

00:40:07.640 it seems like

00:40:08.880 even the Venezuelans

00:40:09.800 were not too

00:40:10.440 in love with Maduro

00:40:11.180 now that doesn't

00:40:11.780 necessarily make it right

00:40:12.760 I'm just saying

00:40:13.440 I don't know

00:40:14.180 if the analysis

00:40:15.020 of like

00:40:15.520 they're going to

00:40:16.200 rally around

00:40:16.720 their flag

00:40:17.280 and their

00:40:17.760 deposed leader

00:40:19.100 is going to

00:40:19.740 work here

00:40:20.180 okay let me

00:40:21.640 let me just

00:40:21.980 address that

00:40:22.480 first of all

00:40:23.440 Democrats

00:40:24.900 despised George Bush

00:40:26.280 and Dick Cheney

00:40:26.720 they believed

00:40:27.220 he stole

00:40:27.760 the 2000 election

00:40:28.780 but the minute

00:40:29.280 our country

00:40:29.760 was attacked

00:40:30.420 almost everybody

00:40:31.820 united behind

00:40:32.480 George Bush

00:40:32.920 and Dick Cheney

00:40:33.420 not for like

00:40:33.960 a week

00:40:34.380 or for a month

00:40:35.040 but for like

00:40:35.560 two or three years

00:40:36.360 gave them license

00:40:36.980 to go and attack Iraq

00:40:37.920 he had 75-80%

00:40:39.280 approval rating

00:40:39.920 I'll just give you

00:40:40.940 a quick analogy

00:40:42.080 in Brazil

00:40:43.320 where as you know

00:40:44.440 I live

00:40:44.760 and I do reporting

00:40:45.720 a few months ago

00:40:47.760 Donald Trump

00:40:48.200 announced he was

00:40:48.680 going to tear up

00:40:49.420 impose tariffs

00:40:50.100 on Brazil

00:40:50.520 sanctioned Brazilian

00:40:51.320 leaders

00:40:51.660 because he didn't

00:40:52.600 want Jair Bolsonaro

00:40:53.760 the former president

00:40:54.520 who Trump likes

00:40:55.180 going to prison

00:40:55.900 he doesn't like

00:40:56.800 other policies

00:40:57.460 that Brazil

00:40:57.920 is enacting

00:40:58.960 and huge numbers

00:41:00.220 of Brazilians

00:41:00.660 including ones

00:41:01.300 who hate the government

00:41:02.200 who hate the current

00:41:02.960 president Lula da Silva

00:41:03.980 united and said

00:41:05.440 it's not the United States

00:41:06.980 that governs our country

00:41:07.900 we govern our country

00:41:08.940 we decide how Brazilians

00:41:10.400 and Brazil is governed

00:41:11.780 not the United States

00:41:12.680 there's always

00:41:13.620 this unifying feeling

00:41:14.720 the problem is

00:41:15.940 is that exiles

00:41:17.000 or people who left

00:41:17.760 but as well

00:41:18.160 you know

00:41:18.500 we used to hear

00:41:19.140 from like

00:41:19.580 before the Iraq war

00:41:20.340 these Iraqi exiles

00:41:21.720 who kept telling us

00:41:22.580 oh they're going to be

00:41:23.640 dancing in the streets

00:41:24.480 they're going to welcome

00:41:25.080 you as liberators

00:41:25.940 they weren't representative

00:41:27.340 of the people

00:41:27.980 who are actually in Iraq

00:41:29.280 who remember

00:41:29.800 are indoctrinated

00:41:30.820 with all kinds of things

00:41:32.520 let me ask you something

00:41:33.060 because I heard

00:41:33.700 I heard a defense on that

00:41:34.900 that I was like

00:41:35.400 that's actually not

00:41:36.000 a bad defense

00:41:36.560 talking about the vast

00:41:38.060 difference culturally

00:41:38.880 between Iraq

00:41:40.040 and Venezuela

00:41:41.300 talking about how

00:41:42.320 you're going in the Middle East

00:41:43.880 with a bunch of Muslims

00:41:45.420 who are raised in ways

00:41:47.160 that we cannot relate to at all

00:41:48.380 it's third world

00:41:49.240 and versus

00:41:50.820 Venezuelans

00:41:52.280 who are largely Catholic

00:41:53.800 who may have a background

00:41:55.340 that's much more similar

00:41:56.460 to you know

00:41:57.780 a lot of Latinos

00:41:58.360 living in Miami

00:41:59.180 and so it's not going to be

00:42:01.400 as difficult

00:42:02.020 to sort of help them

00:42:03.660 revamp their country

00:42:05.260 and reestablish

00:42:06.780 a democracy

00:42:07.760 that works in the way

00:42:09.000 that we want it to

00:42:10.500 and that would be favorable

00:42:11.280 toward the U.S.

00:42:13.100 Okay first of all

00:42:13.880 this discourse

00:42:14.880 is completely contrary

00:42:16.240 to everything else

00:42:17.140 we've been hearing

00:42:17.640 for years

00:42:18.160 from the conservative movement

00:42:19.800 which is the idea

00:42:20.560 that Venezuelans

00:42:21.560 and other Latin Americans

00:42:22.640 Central Americans

00:42:23.460 Latin Americans

00:42:24.180 cannot come to our country

00:42:25.600 and assimilate

00:42:26.140 because they are primitive

00:42:27.080 they don't share our values

00:42:28.220 they can't understand

00:42:29.720 liberal democracy

00:42:30.560 they can't integrate

00:42:32.220 into American culture

00:42:33.440 the way say like

00:42:34.180 Europeans could

00:42:35.060 Italians could

00:42:35.840 the Irish could

00:42:36.600 it's different race

00:42:37.480 it's a different culture

00:42:38.440 this is something

00:42:39.300 that we've been hearing

00:42:39.840 for a long time

00:42:40.420 now suddenly Venezuelans

00:42:41.600 are very aligned with us

00:42:42.820 and similar to us

00:42:43.620 and are ready to adopt

00:42:44.500 Jeffersonian democracy

00:42:45.860 in a way that the Iraqis weren't

00:42:47.080 that's the first thing

00:42:47.780 the second thing is

00:42:48.580 most of the people

00:42:49.900 in these countries

00:42:50.780 in Venezuela and elsewhere

00:42:51.900 are poor people

00:42:52.960 they're not very well educated

00:42:54.500 they've been living

00:42:55.380 under communism

00:42:56.120 for 25 years now

00:42:57.780 they are indoctrinated

00:42:59.160 to believe

00:42:59.640 that the United States

00:43:00.460 is evil

00:43:01.160 just like we're indoctrinated

00:43:02.100 to believe that Cuba

00:43:02.900 and Venezuela

00:43:03.860 and communist countries

00:43:05.020 are evil

00:43:05.460 they have that same level

00:43:06.840 of indoctrination

00:43:07.580 they're not reading freely

00:43:08.700 the media

00:43:09.260 or having open debates

00:43:10.800 in Venezuela

00:43:11.280 they don't want

00:43:11.900 the United States

00:43:12.560 who they view

00:43:13.100 and Hugo Chavez

00:43:14.300 was a very popular

00:43:15.040 Venezuelan leader

00:43:15.640 before Maduro

00:43:16.280 used to talk about

00:43:17.340 how George Bush

00:43:18.440 was Satan

00:43:19.080 the United States

00:43:19.780 is the great Satan

00:43:20.500 these are things

00:43:21.060 they've been indoctrinated

00:43:21.740 with for a long time

00:43:22.840 they're not going to

00:43:23.460 he was at the UN's

00:43:24.240 I can smell the scent

00:43:25.220 of sulfur in the air

00:43:26.580 after George Bush

00:43:27.480 yeah that's what

00:43:28.080 Hugo Chavez said

00:43:28.800 when he followed Bush

00:43:31.240 so these Venezuelans

00:43:33.240 of Miami

00:43:33.580 are not representative

00:43:34.620 of like Venezuelans

00:43:36.540 in the rural area

00:43:37.260 of the country

00:43:37.720 or the poor Venezuelans

00:43:38.700 who live in Caracas

00:43:39.500 who are now

00:43:40.460 very well armed

00:43:41.340 and I think

00:43:42.960 we like to tell ourselves

00:43:44.240 that other countries

00:43:45.120 are grateful

00:43:45.600 when we invade them

00:43:46.380 when we bomb them

00:43:46.940 when we remove their leader

00:43:47.700 and the last thing

00:43:48.460 I'll say Megan

00:43:48.920 is if China came in

00:43:50.720 and arrested Trump

00:43:52.320 out of the White House

00:43:53.020 you would have huge numbers

00:43:54.340 of Americans

00:43:54.980 celebrating that

00:43:55.880 oh Trump was Hitler

00:43:56.780 and it doesn't really

00:43:58.360 say much about

00:43:59.220 either the justifiability

00:44:00.420 or what most people

00:44:01.580 in the country think

00:44:02.420 these are very

00:44:03.040 unrepresented people

00:44:03.980 we're seeing in the media

00:44:04.800 I would definitely say

00:44:05.620 that well that would

00:44:06.500 never happen

00:44:06.940 but secondly

00:44:07.540 in Trump's defense

00:44:10.260 Maduro was not

00:44:11.580 the recognized leader

00:44:12.620 of Venezuela

00:44:13.620 so it's not exactly

00:44:14.560 the same as actually

00:44:15.240 like capturing

00:44:16.120 a head of state

00:44:16.840 who's legitimately

00:44:18.000 by any measure

00:44:18.980 running the country

00:44:20.420 he lost an election

00:44:21.300 in July of 2024

00:44:22.140 he refused to cede

00:44:23.380 his power

00:44:24.460 and claimed falsely

00:44:25.520 that he had won

00:44:26.200 I want to give you this

00:44:27.920 it's not just

00:44:29.460 Venezuela

00:44:30.380 now we're talking about

00:44:32.480 possibly invading Cuba

00:44:34.660 that seemed to be

00:44:35.860 what Marco Rubio

00:44:37.000 was intimating

00:44:37.780 and even Trump

00:44:38.600 was intimating

00:44:39.380 just yesterday

00:44:40.560 we played the soundbite

00:44:41.420 on yesterday's show

00:44:42.280 and not just Cuba

00:44:44.080 but Colombia

00:44:45.180 where Trump said

00:44:46.260 the president there

00:44:46.920 better quote

00:44:47.520 watch his ass

00:44:48.780 and then also

00:44:51.300 Greenland is back

00:44:52.480 on the table

00:44:53.120 and that got

00:44:55.660 very interesting

00:44:56.480 over on CNN

00:44:57.800 when Stephen Miller

00:44:59.920 gave an interview

00:45:00.560 to Jake Tapper

00:45:01.380 about what's going

00:45:02.980 to happen

00:45:03.340 with Greenland

00:45:04.480 because Trump

00:45:05.440 keeps saying

00:45:06.000 we have to have it

00:45:06.800 we just

00:45:07.840 we have to have it

00:45:08.780 we need Greenland

00:45:09.880 like he's not backing off

00:45:11.220 it's caused

00:45:11.880 an international incident

00:45:12.840 now European leaders

00:45:14.240 have spoken out

00:45:14.940 saying we would like

00:45:15.700 to remind you

00:45:16.220 that it belongs

00:45:16.720 to Denmark

00:45:17.160 and that that's

00:45:18.480 a NATO country

00:45:19.180 and that there'll be

00:45:20.080 no taking Greenland

00:45:22.240 but here's what

00:45:23.740 Stephen Miller said

00:45:24.520 to Jake Tapper

00:45:25.400 Sot7

00:45:25.920 the premier of Greenland

00:45:28.240 and the premier of Denmark

00:45:29.300 and other Danish officials

00:45:30.580 are responding

00:45:31.200 to a Twitter post

00:45:32.040 from your wife

00:45:32.740 Katie Miller

00:45:33.780 herself a former

00:45:34.820 Trump White House official

00:45:35.820 showing Greenland

00:45:36.940 covered with an American flag

00:45:38.380 saying soon

00:45:39.300 after that was posted

00:45:40.580 President Trump

00:45:41.200 repeated the claim

00:45:41.800 that the U.S. needs

00:45:42.900 Greenland for national

00:45:43.680 security reasons

00:45:44.400 the Danish prime minister

00:45:45.900 responded to this

00:45:47.700 in an interview

00:45:48.660 earlier today

00:45:49.300 as reported by Bloomberg

00:45:50.120 quote

00:45:50.440 I believe one

00:45:51.280 should take

00:45:51.960 the American president

00:45:52.680 seriously

00:45:53.160 when he says

00:45:54.100 that he wants Greenland

00:45:54.980 but I will also

00:45:55.640 make it clear

00:45:56.200 that if the U.S.

00:45:57.080 chooses to attack

00:45:57.840 another NATO country

00:45:59.260 militarily

00:45:59.900 then everything stops

00:46:01.120 including NATO

00:46:02.300 and thus the security

00:46:03.640 that has been established

00:46:04.400 since the end

00:46:05.140 of the second world war

00:46:06.740 can you rule out

00:46:07.640 that the U.S.

00:46:08.840 is ever going

00:46:09.980 to try to take

00:46:10.820 Greenland by force

00:46:11.920 you're going to be

00:46:12.360 military action

00:46:12.880 against Greenland

00:46:13.800 Greenland has a population

00:46:16.100 of 30,000 people

00:46:17.420 Jake

00:46:17.780 the real question is

00:46:19.360 by what right

00:46:20.160 does Denmark

00:46:20.820 assert control

00:46:21.620 over Greenland

00:46:22.320 the United States

00:46:23.380 is the power

00:46:25.240 of NATO

00:46:25.760 for the United States

00:46:27.640 to secure

00:46:28.460 the Arctic region

00:46:29.560 to protect

00:46:30.660 and defend

00:46:31.300 NATO and NATO interests

00:46:32.460 obviously Greenland

00:46:33.640 should be part

00:46:34.160 of the United States

00:46:34.820 nobody's going to

00:46:35.700 fight the United States

00:46:36.840 militarily

00:46:37.920 over the future

00:46:38.920 of Greenland

00:46:39.420 so that's a long list

00:46:43.340 I didn't even mention

00:46:44.100 Iran

00:46:44.520 where Trump said

00:46:45.240 we're locked and loaded

00:46:46.060 and ready to go in

00:46:46.860 if they shoot any

00:46:47.480 protesters over there

00:46:48.360 and the protests

00:46:48.880 have been growing

00:46:49.460 and by the way

00:46:50.440 now there's reports

00:46:51.180 that the Ayatollah

00:46:51.920 has said he's ready

00:46:52.600 to flee to Russia

00:46:53.740 if need be

00:46:54.960 though these protests

00:46:56.240 are not quite as extreme

00:46:57.660 as ones we've seen

00:46:58.520 in the past

00:46:59.020 where he did no such thing

00:47:00.480 so whatever

00:47:01.240 take Iran with an asterisk

00:47:02.840 but Greenland rhetoric

00:47:04.120 is ramping up

00:47:04.900 your thoughts

00:47:05.440 I mean there's no

00:47:07.500 coherence here

00:47:08.460 like Colombia

00:47:09.260 where President Trump

00:47:10.280 is threatening

00:47:10.920 the president of Colombia

00:47:12.800 Gustavo Petro

00:47:13.740 is a democratically

00:47:15.140 elected leader

00:47:15.800 nobody doubts that

00:47:16.940 he just doesn't like Petro

00:47:18.680 because Petro

00:47:19.320 is a left-wing leader

00:47:20.200 who has been

00:47:20.680 criticizing Trump

00:47:21.580 so that now is justification

00:47:22.800 for threatening Petro

00:47:24.540 and we're going to go to war

00:47:25.520 in Colombia possibly

00:47:26.720 we're threatening

00:47:27.180 you can't threaten

00:47:27.840 all these wars in Iran

00:47:28.900 in Cuba

00:47:29.680 and not follow through

00:47:30.620 and that's going to be

00:47:31.220 a lot of different wars

00:47:32.120 that we're then going

00:47:32.780 to be fighting

00:47:33.380 and then as far as

00:47:34.740 Greenland is concerned

00:47:35.420 you know Stephen Miller

00:47:36.040 saying by what right

00:47:37.080 does Denmark have Greenland

00:47:38.560 it's like saying

00:47:38.940 by what right

00:47:39.940 does the United States

00:47:41.140 have California

00:47:41.820 by what right

00:47:42.480 does the United States

00:47:43.160 have Mexico

00:47:43.720 these are century-old

00:47:45.380 nations that have been

00:47:47.580 defined by their borders

00:47:48.760 and recognized internationally

00:47:50.220 for centuries

00:47:52.000 and while it may be true

00:47:53.880 that Denmark

00:47:54.660 isn't going to go to war

00:47:55.540 with the United States

00:47:56.140 over Greenland

00:47:56.860 the entire EU

00:47:58.180 all of NATO

00:47:58.780 is going to absolutely

00:47:59.660 separate from the United States

00:48:00.940 if the United States

00:48:01.680 steals land

00:48:02.840 from an EU

00:48:04.020 and a NATO member

00:48:05.020 can I just ask you something

00:48:05.920 is that such a bad thing

00:48:07.000 I don't know

00:48:07.440 like are we

00:48:08.000 like if we

00:48:09.680 get kicked out of NATO

00:48:10.760 like they can't kick us out

00:48:12.200 we're funding the whole thing

00:48:13.360 a lot of Americans

00:48:14.320 a lot of Republicans

00:48:14.940 have been saying

00:48:15.580 we should dump NATO

00:48:16.380 to begin with

00:48:17.000 I don't even

00:48:18.520 I think

00:48:19.620 I liked when President Trump

00:48:21.260 was questioning

00:48:21.800 the ongoing viability

00:48:22.800 of NATO

00:48:23.200 because it was

00:48:23.720 a defensive alliance

00:48:24.660 formed

00:48:25.540 to protect Western Europe

00:48:26.860 against the Soviet Union

00:48:27.760 the Soviet Union

00:48:28.380 no longer exists

00:48:29.580 so I think there's

00:48:30.340 a very good reason

00:48:31.100 for questioning NATO

00:48:31.780 all I'm saying

00:48:32.860 is that

00:48:33.280 if we didn't have NATO

00:48:34.040 I mean we might not have

00:48:35.360 the Ukraine war right now

00:48:36.380 keep going

00:48:37.380 all I'm saying Megan

00:48:38.740 is that

00:48:39.340 while Stephen Miller

00:48:40.260 is right in this

00:48:40.960 very simplistic

00:48:41.640 dismissive tone

00:48:42.580 Denmark is not going to go

00:48:43.900 to war with the United States

00:48:44.740 over Greenland

00:48:45.200 it's only because it can't

00:48:46.380 there's going to be

00:48:47.140 massive consequences

00:48:48.640 in terms of

00:48:49.720 having entire regions

00:48:51.440 of the world

00:48:51.940 hate the United States

00:48:52.880 view us as this rogue nation

00:48:54.360 and you can say

00:48:55.220 I don't really care about that

00:48:56.700 but that's what opens up

00:48:58.020 China to all of this influence

00:48:59.500 that's why China

00:49:00.260 has so much influence

00:49:01.060 because so many countries

00:49:01.940 have concluded

00:49:02.520 the United States

00:49:03.100 is this bully

00:49:03.700 that uses military force

00:49:05.160 all of this has major implications

00:49:06.500 the reason why

00:49:07.500 you know we get attacked

00:49:08.940 by the Middle East

00:49:09.980 the reason that there are

00:49:10.580 a lot of people

00:49:10.940 who hate us in the Middle East

00:49:11.840 is because this is the behavior

00:49:12.920 we've been engaging in

00:49:13.720 for the Middle East

00:49:14.300 for decades

00:49:15.060 we've been overthrowing

00:49:15.860 their governments

00:49:16.360 opposing dictatorship on them

00:49:17.720 taking their oil

00:49:18.580 telling them that

00:49:19.520 they have no rights

00:49:20.340 yes they can't fight us

00:49:22.120 in the sense that

00:49:22.900 they have a military

00:49:23.860 equal to ours

00:49:24.760 but there's all kinds

00:49:26.160 of repercussions from that

00:49:27.200 the CIA has a term for that

00:49:28.380 it's called blowback

00:49:29.360 that if you just go around

00:49:30.480 the world bullying

00:49:31.160 other countries

00:49:31.780 and taking things

00:49:32.560 that you want

00:49:33.200 there's going to be

00:49:34.040 a lot of ramifications

00:49:35.000 that you have to take

00:49:35.960 into consideration

00:49:36.660 that are going to come back

00:49:37.840 to say nothing of the cost

00:49:38.960 of who's going to fight

00:49:39.720 all these words

00:49:40.380 that Trump is

00:49:41.060 is vowing and threatening

00:49:42.080 I mean I don't think

00:49:44.040 Trump wants to get involved

00:49:44.960 in a war

00:49:45.460 like I think you can see

00:49:46.440 that too

00:49:46.800 he doesn't want

00:49:47.300 he definitely

00:49:47.740 he was one of the first

00:49:48.500 people to oppose

00:49:49.220 the Iraq war

00:49:49.840 when Republicans

00:49:50.700 were all defending it

00:49:51.580 he doesn't want a war

00:49:52.840 he's defining

00:49:53.980 his foreign policies

00:49:54.900 these pinpoint strikes

00:49:56.180 where he gets in

00:49:56.780 and he gets out

00:49:57.340 and by the time

00:49:57.840 you've heard

00:49:58.140 that there's a war on

00:49:59.020 it's over

00:49:59.860 right

00:50:00.560 and he says

00:50:01.000 we're not at war

00:50:01.620 with Venezuela

00:50:02.300 we're at war

00:50:03.620 with their drug dealers

00:50:04.460 and people like that

00:50:05.220 he says

00:50:05.520 but I don't

00:50:06.520 I give Trump

00:50:07.420 the benefit of the doubt

00:50:08.060 that he does not want

00:50:09.120 anything prolonged

00:50:09.960 and would do his best

00:50:10.900 to stop something like that

00:50:12.280 the risks

00:50:12.700 I think we're looking at here

00:50:13.580 are that the other sides

00:50:15.720 don't agree

00:50:17.060 right

00:50:17.720 like we didn't want war

00:50:19.620 before we got attacked

00:50:20.480 on 9-11 either

00:50:21.920 right

00:50:22.920 you can always avoid war

00:50:24.700 as long as the other side

00:50:25.560 just submits

00:50:26.100 and does everything

00:50:26.720 that you tell them to do

00:50:27.560 the problem is that

00:50:28.260 very often

00:50:28.700 they don't do that

00:50:29.560 and many of the worst wars

00:50:31.400 have happened

00:50:32.160 not because leaders

00:50:33.300 wanted wars

00:50:34.100 but because once you start

00:50:35.300 threatening military conflict

00:50:36.460 you have military buildup

00:50:37.660 tensions increase

00:50:38.560 you have escalation

00:50:39.780 you have miscommunication

00:50:40.800 all these things

00:50:41.960 can happen in a very

00:50:42.900 unintended way

00:50:43.680 this is a very dangerous

00:50:44.840 game to be playing

00:50:45.880 like yes

00:50:47.340 I do believe that

00:50:48.320 Donald Trump

00:50:48.700 doesn't want to fall

00:50:49.340 into some major

00:50:50.020 quagmire in war

00:50:51.100 the problem is

00:50:51.740 is that the policies

00:50:52.400 that he's pursuing

00:50:53.080 are very likely

00:50:54.420 to lead to that

00:50:56.060 I mean he

00:50:56.440 what if the Venezuelans

00:50:57.840 don't submit

00:50:59.080 to all of his orders

00:50:59.900 he's already said

00:51:00.660 we'll be happy

00:51:01.460 to put brutes on the ground

00:51:02.480 and that now

00:51:03.100 you have an escalated situation

00:51:04.640 look at how Vietnam began

00:51:06.120 we're going to send

00:51:07.120 some advisors

00:51:07.720 we don't want war in Vietnam

00:51:08.880 and within a few years

00:51:10.320 we had tons of military

00:51:11.560 tons of soldiers

00:51:12.620 and within a few years

00:51:13.640 after that

00:51:14.060 there were 60,000

00:51:14.960 American dead soldiers

00:51:15.940 not because anyone

00:51:16.900 ever sat out and said

00:51:17.780 I want to have

00:51:18.420 a decade of war in Vietnam

00:51:19.540 but because the policies

00:51:20.660 we pursued

00:51:21.400 led inexorably to that

00:51:23.360 I definitely don't think

00:51:24.960 Trump is going to

00:51:26.000 willingly walk us there

00:51:27.240 but the question is

00:51:28.180 is it out of our control

00:51:30.160 is it potentially out

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00:53:41.200 joining me now

00:53:46.420 our pal Rich Lowry

00:53:47.540 who is editor

00:53:48.280 of National Review

00:53:49.640 NR and my buds

00:53:51.260 over there

00:53:51.820 are very much

00:53:52.740 in favor

00:53:53.240 of the action

00:53:54.580 in Venezuela

00:53:55.740 and dropped

00:53:56.440 a very interesting

00:53:57.080 podcast

00:53:57.540 debating it

00:53:58.440 yesterday

00:53:58.860 on the editors

00:53:59.800 which I highly recommend

00:54:01.100 so Rich

00:54:01.920 we just had

00:54:02.980 Glenn Greenwald on

00:54:03.720 and I know

00:54:03.980 you didn't hear

00:54:04.440 Glenn's defense

00:54:05.400 but you've probably

00:54:05.840 seen his remarks

00:54:06.380 on Twitter

00:54:06.740 and you know Glenn

00:54:07.400 very much against

00:54:09.960 you know

00:54:10.820 sort of this

00:54:11.320 imperialist behavior

00:54:12.540 by President Trump

00:54:14.680 by the United States

00:54:15.680 worried about

00:54:16.440 the unintended consequences

00:54:17.940 you know

00:54:18.940 where it will land

00:54:19.960 whether there'll be

00:54:20.880 a revolt of some sort

00:54:22.120 within Venezuela

00:54:22.940 a rallying

00:54:24.340 around their own flag

00:54:25.340 a rejection

00:54:26.140 of any American control

00:54:27.420 and certainly

00:54:28.300 of any attempt

00:54:28.880 to seize the oil

00:54:29.680 as Trump told Scarborough

00:54:31.680 according to Scarborough

00:54:32.500 this morning

00:54:32.940 he intends to do

00:54:33.820 that we're going to

00:54:34.620 quote keep the oil

00:54:35.720 what's your

00:54:37.120 give us your best defense

00:54:38.300 of why this was

00:54:39.200 a good idea

00:54:39.740 yeah so

00:54:42.160 Maduro

00:54:43.040 is a terrible person

00:54:45.200 terrible leader

00:54:45.920 of Venezuela

00:54:46.440 allied with

00:54:48.460 all the enemies

00:54:49.240 of the United States

00:54:50.160 but by the standards

00:54:51.660 of when the Monroe Doctrine

00:54:52.840 was really in its heyday

00:54:53.860 every aspect of this regime

00:54:56.260 would have been unacceptable

00:54:57.120 the disorder

00:54:58.280 is spreading

00:54:59.540 in the hemisphere

00:55:00.120 and here in the United States

00:55:01.160 via the mass

00:55:02.100 migration it's caused

00:55:03.660 the criminality

00:55:04.540 and the drug running

00:55:05.500 allied with our enemies

00:55:08.080 none of that

00:55:08.700 would have been

00:55:09.220 acceptable

00:55:10.140 so look

00:55:11.120 I agree with what

00:55:12.220 you were saying yesterday

00:55:12.920 this is pretextual

00:55:14.000 the idea that it's just

00:55:14.980 a law enforcement

00:55:15.660 operation

00:55:16.360 it was an act of war

00:55:17.440 to topple the head

00:55:18.760 of state there

00:55:19.460 but in terms of

00:55:20.460 what we've seen

00:55:21.260 in other interventions

00:55:22.760 the U.S. has undertaken

00:55:24.080 in the last 20 years

00:55:24.940 this is so minimalistic

00:55:27.040 right

00:55:27.300 this would be the equivalent

00:55:28.180 of a snatching grab

00:55:30.040 against Saddam Hussein

00:55:31.240 then having a Ba'athist

00:55:32.640 general take power

00:55:33.720 and then hoping

00:55:34.620 you can influence him

00:55:35.660 to do what you want

00:55:36.880 so there are all sorts

00:55:38.160 of ways

00:55:38.420 this can go sideways

00:55:39.340 there are all sorts

00:55:40.000 of risks

00:55:40.520 but the way he's done

00:55:41.960 it so far

00:55:42.940 is calculated

00:55:44.060 to minimize

00:55:44.740 those risks

00:55:45.600 I think

00:55:46.020 so for people

00:55:47.460 who you know

00:55:48.300 haven't spent

00:55:49.520 their lives

00:55:49.980 studying the Monroe

00:55:50.660 Doctrine

00:55:51.180 as like

00:55:51.900 freshened up

00:55:52.680 by Teddy Roosevelt

00:55:53.460 can you just give us

00:55:55.080 a little background

00:55:55.680 because I did read

00:55:56.980 over on NR

00:55:58.140 about like

00:55:59.040 the numerous interventions

00:56:01.100 that we did do

00:56:02.500 in South America

00:56:04.540 over the years

00:56:05.860 when one of our neighbors

00:56:06.920 was turning out

00:56:08.600 to be derelict

00:56:10.120 or dirt baggy

00:56:11.420 or something

00:56:12.620 that we found

00:56:13.220 potentially problematic

00:56:14.280 to us

00:56:15.520 and certainly

00:56:15.940 if we saw

00:56:16.520 at the time

00:56:17.620 it was always Europe

00:56:18.280 we were worried about

00:56:19.060 it wasn't China

00:56:19.660 back then

00:56:20.100 or Russia

00:56:20.520 if we saw them meddling

00:56:21.900 we were pretty quick

00:56:23.100 to go down there

00:56:23.800 and say

00:56:24.500 oh no

00:56:25.200 yeah

00:56:29.380 so the Monroe Doctrine

00:56:30.300 is the idea

00:56:31.020 that we have

00:56:32.500 supremacy

00:56:33.040 in the hemisphere

00:56:34.380 right

00:56:35.100 so the strategic

00:56:35.760 purpose of it

00:56:36.560 is to

00:56:37.320 exclude

00:56:38.840 European nations

00:56:39.840 because they

00:56:40.760 represent a significant

00:56:41.800 threat to us

00:56:42.560 potentially

00:56:43.200 geopolitically

00:56:44.240 and then

00:56:45.080 what happens

00:56:45.840 after its initial

00:56:46.940 enunciation

00:56:47.500 you get the

00:56:48.180 Roosevelt corollary

00:56:49.100 and the Lodge

00:56:50.760 corollary

00:56:51.360 which basically

00:56:52.220 kind of flip it

00:56:53.000 in its head

00:56:53.460 in some respects

00:56:54.220 so instead of

00:56:55.160 excluding others

00:56:56.220 from intervening

00:56:57.060 we assume

00:56:59.500 a right to intervene

00:57:00.720 when there's

00:57:01.760 disorder such

00:57:03.020 that it's a threat

00:57:04.020 to us

00:57:04.560 or it might

00:57:05.540 tempt someone else

00:57:06.920 to come in

00:57:07.500 and intervene

00:57:08.200 so

00:57:08.800 just for the record

00:57:09.920 this is not a

00:57:10.500 Trump invention

00:57:11.280 this has been around

00:57:12.280 for over 150 years

00:57:14.000 this is

00:57:15.220 Trump is actually

00:57:15.900 just resurrecting

00:57:17.180 a principle

00:57:17.920 that has already

00:57:18.660 been recognized

00:57:19.260 by presidents

00:57:20.100 long ago

00:57:20.560 keep going

00:57:21.060 yeah

00:57:21.540 so the Trump

00:57:22.260 corollary

00:57:22.900 is basically

00:57:23.480 just the Roosevelt

00:57:24.140 corollary

00:57:24.840 or the Lodge

00:57:25.960 corollary

00:57:26.840 it's not a new

00:57:27.480 corollary

00:57:28.000 but he likes

00:57:28.400 putting his

00:57:28.800 names on things

00:57:29.500 so he has to

00:57:30.720 have his name

00:57:31.480 on a corollary

00:57:32.160 but this is

00:57:33.380 a traditional

00:57:34.780 American approach

00:57:35.900 he's taken

00:57:36.720 now we've gotten

00:57:37.680 away from it

00:57:38.340 the last 30 years

00:57:39.600 the last real

00:57:40.420 manifestation of this

00:57:42.000 was when George H.W. Bush

00:57:43.260 went into Panama

00:57:44.180 but this is

00:57:45.620 we went into

00:57:47.640 Latin America

00:57:48.380 on much less

00:57:50.000 provocation

00:57:50.780 than this

00:57:51.060 countries would

00:57:51.940 just be

00:57:52.500 poorly run

00:57:53.600 fiscally

00:57:54.300 and we'd go

00:57:55.100 in and say

00:57:55.440 okay we're

00:57:55.880 taking over

00:57:56.320 your finances

00:57:56.960 because we

00:57:57.680 don't want you

00:57:58.060 in debt

00:57:58.620 to Britain

00:57:59.360 or Germany

00:57:59.880 because that

00:58:00.260 might tempt

00:58:00.740 them to come

00:58:01.260 in and seize

00:58:02.380 your territory

00:58:02.920 or take control

00:58:03.600 of your government

00:58:04.080 we don't want

00:58:04.860 to see that

00:58:05.320 happen

00:58:05.800 so in some

00:58:07.620 of our respects

00:58:08.540 Trump feels

00:58:09.380 completely new

00:58:10.380 because he's

00:58:11.280 very old

00:58:11.980 and represents

00:58:12.860 traditions we'd

00:58:13.660 gotten away from

00:58:14.540 for better or worse

00:58:15.600 the Panama thing

00:58:17.180 actually worked out

00:58:18.100 okay

00:58:18.480 I mean like

00:58:19.420 not all of these

00:58:20.940 interventions have

00:58:21.700 worked out

00:58:22.120 in fact the vast

00:58:22.940 majority of them

00:58:23.560 have not worked out

00:58:24.280 like Iraq

00:58:25.140 and Libya

00:58:26.520 but the Panama thing

00:58:28.260 which is probably

00:58:28.940 the most analogous

00:58:30.080 did work out

00:58:31.140 pretty well

00:58:32.080 and we'll see

00:58:33.400 whether you know

00:58:34.340 that's what's

00:58:34.820 going to happen here

00:58:35.340 what do you make

00:58:35.780 of Trump saying

00:58:36.320 to Scarborough

00:58:36.800 though that we're

00:58:37.260 going to keep

00:58:37.740 the oil

00:58:38.240 again I don't know

00:58:39.040 what that means

00:58:39.580 exactly

00:58:39.980 it's like

00:58:40.560 a snippet

00:58:41.400 how do we

00:58:42.820 keep the oil

00:58:43.300 it's not our oil

00:58:44.000 I realize they owe

00:58:44.780 us some oil

00:58:45.480 or at least some

00:58:46.060 payments for oil

00:58:46.860 they took from

00:58:47.340 Exxon and back

00:58:48.460 in the day

00:58:48.760 but like

00:58:49.080 what do you make

00:58:49.900 of that news

00:58:50.880 this morning

00:58:51.440 he's had a fixation

00:58:53.000 with this right

00:58:53.640 his critique of

00:58:54.660 the Iraq war

00:58:55.200 was in part

00:58:55.800 we didn't keep

00:58:56.580 the oil

00:58:57.000 right

00:58:57.460 yeah

00:58:57.800 he doubled down

00:58:58.820 on that this

00:58:59.180 morning to Scarborough

00:58:59.840 yeah

00:59:00.820 so he likes the idea

00:59:02.020 of gaining assets

00:59:04.020 and benefiting

00:59:05.040 from any

00:59:05.680 transactions

00:59:06.740 so I'm not a huge

00:59:08.000 fan of this

00:59:08.540 in that

00:59:08.860 the oil

00:59:10.460 in Venezuela

00:59:10.880 is for the

00:59:11.660 Venezuelans

00:59:12.280 if we're going

00:59:12.820 to help them

00:59:13.340 develop it

00:59:13.980 and have

00:59:14.460 American companies

00:59:15.360 there investing

00:59:16.460 for the good

00:59:17.040 of Venezuelans

00:59:17.760 and our companies

00:59:18.340 are going to

00:59:18.600 benefit too

00:59:19.160 that's fine

00:59:19.980 and maybe that's

00:59:21.120 ultimately what

00:59:21.800 would happen

00:59:22.440 but the way

00:59:23.020 he presents it

00:59:24.060 I think

00:59:25.220 is counterproductive

00:59:27.200 the same thing

00:59:27.720 with running

00:59:28.200 Venezuela

00:59:28.600 we're not running

00:59:29.320 Venezuela

00:59:29.700 right

00:59:30.200 you had the

00:59:30.660 vice president

00:59:31.120 running Venezuela

00:59:32.020 and we're hoping

00:59:33.320 to coercer

00:59:34.060 into doing

00:59:34.740 what we want

00:59:35.560 and I think

00:59:36.300 we'll probably

00:59:36.680 have some success

00:59:37.680 with that

00:59:38.560 at least in the

00:59:39.120 short or medium

00:59:39.880 term

00:59:40.300 but we're not

00:59:41.160 running then as well

00:59:41.940 and usually

00:59:42.380 when you're not

00:59:42.860 running a country

00:59:43.560 you don't go out

00:59:44.180 of your way

00:59:44.520 to say you're

00:59:45.280 running the country

00:59:46.020 but Trump

00:59:46.880 again

00:59:47.160 he likes his name

00:59:47.980 on stuff

00:59:48.640 he likes the idea

00:59:49.480 of running things

00:59:50.100 and then Marco Rubio's like

00:59:50.280 oh no no

00:59:51.580 didn't mean it like that

00:59:52.520 just got to coerce

00:59:53.720 with the oil

00:59:54.140 and then Trump's like

00:59:54.780 no I'm running it

00:59:55.820 and then the question

00:59:56.380 from the reporter

00:59:57.080 was who specifically

00:59:58.440 and Trump goes

00:59:59.100 me

00:59:59.780 me

01:00:00.400 he's like my deputies

01:00:01.820 because they all have

01:00:02.760 different areas

01:00:03.180 of expertise

01:00:03.580 but ultimately

01:00:04.300 me

01:00:05.340 which I mean

01:00:07.040 you can do it

01:00:07.640 of course it's Marco

01:00:08.500 Marco's running

01:00:09.360 everything

01:00:09.820 but look

01:00:10.560 I'm speaking about Marco

01:00:11.840 yeah you go ahead

01:00:12.520 and finish your point

01:00:13.020 I was just going to say

01:00:13.760 Panama is a pretty good

01:00:14.740 analog

01:00:15.420 but even compared

01:00:16.540 to Panama

01:00:17.140 this is more minimalist

01:00:18.860 because we go

01:00:19.460 in on the ground

01:00:20.640 for weeks with troops

01:00:21.840 in Panama

01:00:22.360 we already had

01:00:22.980 an extensive troop

01:00:23.800 presence there

01:00:24.520 already because of

01:00:25.880 the canal obviously

01:00:26.800 and we swear in

01:00:28.100 the new president

01:00:28.780 after we grabbed

01:00:29.640 Noriega

01:00:30.380 on a US military base

01:00:32.000 so we're not doing

01:00:32.760 anything of that nature

01:00:33.860 in Venezuela

01:00:34.920 so it's a combination

01:00:36.420 of extremely

01:00:37.400 and the word

01:00:38.120 that's been used

01:00:38.600 so much about it

01:00:39.300 audacious operation

01:00:40.680 with a high degree

01:00:42.960 of caution

01:00:43.860 or trying to minimize

01:00:44.960 downside risk

01:00:46.020 as well

01:00:46.460 and it isn't bad

01:00:48.360 to see

01:00:48.920 to show China

01:00:50.640 Iran

01:00:51.640 and Russia

01:00:52.480 the capabilities

01:00:53.840 of the US military

01:00:54.780 because I mean

01:00:55.520 the whole operation

01:00:56.640 was

01:00:57.040 to use a technical term

01:00:58.580 extremely badass

01:00:59.620 I mean

01:01:00.300 I heard you guys

01:01:01.800 talking about this

01:01:02.200 on the editors

01:01:02.600 but it was really

01:01:03.380 incredibly impressive

01:01:04.420 I realize people

01:01:05.680 did die on the other side

01:01:06.840 but not a single

01:01:07.700 US service personnel

01:01:08.880 was hurt

01:01:10.280 well some were hurt

01:01:11.340 but no one was killed

01:01:12.200 and no leaks

01:01:15.120 in the dark of night

01:01:16.020 got it done

01:01:16.440 it reminded me

01:01:16.960 of Abbottabad

01:01:17.600 Rich

01:01:17.980 yeah

01:01:18.960 but I think

01:01:19.920 even harder

01:01:20.420 than that

01:01:21.060 because Osama bin Laden

01:01:22.520 has some security

01:01:23.600 not the security

01:01:24.620 that comes with

01:01:25.120 being a head of state

01:01:26.420 and also

01:01:27.480 this wasn't a shock

01:01:28.620 right

01:01:29.040 bin Laden

01:01:30.300 didn't know

01:01:31.240 we were coming

01:01:31.680 Maduro

01:01:32.140 knew we were coming

01:01:33.420 probably

01:01:34.000 or there's a high chance

01:01:35.040 that we would

01:01:35.400 at some point

01:01:36.000 and still

01:01:36.740 this was so highly

01:01:38.360 proficient

01:01:39.600 and it does

01:01:40.540 send a good message

01:01:41.500 to China

01:01:42.260 and other malfactors

01:01:43.200 around the world

01:01:43.820 now China

01:01:44.460 has a big huge military

01:01:45.640 taking on China

01:01:46.480 would be nothing

01:01:47.140 like this

01:01:47.720 obviously

01:01:48.760 but China

01:01:49.960 hasn't done

01:01:50.480 a military operation

01:01:51.460 I don't know

01:01:51.780 since 1979

01:01:52.560 when they lost

01:01:53.320 a border war

01:01:54.060 with Vietnam

01:01:54.760 so they have to be

01:01:56.200 highly aware

01:01:56.900 of just how

01:01:57.460 good and practiced

01:01:58.780 we are at this

01:01:59.580 yeah

01:02:00.440 you know

01:02:00.900 it's the old

01:02:01.780 line from Braveheart

01:02:03.300 that could be

01:02:03.760 my head in a basket

01:02:04.680 like no one

01:02:05.840 wants to be

01:02:06.580 on the receiving end

01:02:07.260 of the Maduro treatment

01:02:08.220 what of the argument

01:02:09.780 that speaking of China

01:02:11.220 this is not going to help

01:02:12.920 when they invade Taiwan

01:02:14.840 and we say

01:02:16.500 hey

01:02:17.260 that's an independent nation

01:02:19.100 China's a lot more

01:02:20.300 closely aligned with Taiwan

01:02:21.260 than we are with Venezuela

01:02:22.260 now granted

01:02:23.840 we didn't like

01:02:24.400 swoop in

01:02:25.440 and say Venezuela

01:02:26.160 is officially part

01:02:27.200 of the United States

01:02:27.900 it's a 51st state

01:02:28.940 so it's not totally

01:02:29.540 analogous

01:02:30.040 but did we undermine

01:02:31.560 our

01:02:32.060 you know

01:02:32.820 moral virtue

01:02:33.740 in trying to tell them

01:02:35.040 to stay out of Taiwan

01:02:35.920 yeah

01:02:36.960 maybe there's a little

01:02:38.020 something to that

01:02:38.900 but they're going

01:02:40.000 after Taiwan

01:02:40.820 no matter what

01:02:42.100 we could be

01:02:43.280 the most high-minded

01:02:45.100 moralistic

01:02:46.160 have the most high-minded

01:02:48.440 moralistic

01:02:48.940 foreign policy

01:02:49.780 imaginable

01:02:51.060 you know

01:02:51.760 Woodrow Wilson

01:02:53.240 on steroids

01:02:54.120 and China's

01:02:54.880 still going after

01:02:55.600 Taiwan

01:02:56.500 I do think

01:02:57.160 there's a moral

01:02:57.620 difference here

01:02:58.420 right

01:02:58.660 I think a sovereign

01:02:59.800 people have the right

01:03:00.760 to govern themselves

01:03:01.580 but Venezuelans

01:03:02.460 weren't covering themselves

01:03:03.340 because this guy

01:03:04.560 stole an election

01:03:05.740 and was a dictator

01:03:06.900 and now

01:03:07.540 perhaps

01:03:08.300 we'll get a new election

01:03:09.220 they'll actually

01:03:09.700 actually have a chance

01:03:10.720 to govern themselves

01:03:11.780 but where I think

01:03:12.440 you'd get more

01:03:13.260 into an analogy

01:03:15.060 that might serve

01:03:16.360 as a bit more

01:03:17.740 of a permission slip

01:03:18.620 to China

01:03:19.480 would be

01:03:19.820 if we went

01:03:20.300 and annexed

01:03:21.400 Greenland

01:03:21.900 which I don't think

01:03:23.820 we're going to do

01:03:24.440 and I hope

01:03:24.880 we're not going to do

01:03:25.400 but they're talking about

01:03:26.400 unclear

01:03:27.020 unclear

01:03:27.820 I heard you guys

01:03:28.760 bet whether we will

01:03:29.800 most of the editors

01:03:30.860 thought the chance

01:03:31.680 at the end of first terms

01:03:32.740 of us having annexed

01:03:35.500 Greenland

01:03:35.820 was in the 10% range

01:03:36.980 Rich Lowry put it

01:03:37.880 at a 40% chance

01:03:40.860 I have to say

01:03:42.620 I'm with you

01:03:43.540 like he's really

01:03:44.920 focused on it

01:03:45.900 and what we're learning

01:03:46.660 about Trump

01:03:47.220 is he's actually

01:03:48.560 not saying things

01:03:49.960 he doesn't mean

01:03:50.680 when it comes to these

01:03:52.160 again to use the word

01:03:53.060 audacious

01:03:53.640 plans

01:03:54.680 around some of our

01:03:56.120 neighbors

01:03:57.000 yeah he doesn't

01:03:58.440 do everything

01:03:59.240 he says

01:04:00.120 but everything

01:04:00.840 he does do

01:04:02.140 he says openly

01:04:03.500 beforehand

01:04:04.040 so

01:04:04.760 and I just think

01:04:05.720 if he really wanted

01:04:06.680 to force the issue

01:04:07.660 and said look

01:04:08.220 the 82nd Airborne

01:04:09.480 is ready to go

01:04:10.120 are you going to

01:04:10.520 cut a deal with me

01:04:11.220 or not

01:04:11.660 he'd get the deal

01:04:12.520 now I hope

01:04:13.280 he doesn't do that

01:04:13.960 I think we could get

01:04:14.680 everything we want

01:04:15.480 out of Greenland

01:04:16.180 without going to

01:04:17.860 any extreme measures

01:04:19.100 it has a lot of

01:04:20.460 critical minerals

01:04:21.600 if we want to go

01:04:22.200 mine them

01:04:22.880 it was controlled

01:04:23.780 by a NATO country

01:04:24.840 you think NATO

01:04:25.640 would be in favor of that

01:04:26.660 and we could cut a deal

01:04:27.920 to do that

01:04:29.100 but I would just urge

01:04:30.020 the Danish prime minister

01:04:31.340 if she's an MK listener

01:04:33.680 go have a dinner

01:04:35.180 at Mar-a-Lago

01:04:35.920 don't clap back at him

01:04:37.420 in social media

01:04:38.220 go and try to win him over

01:04:40.020 and persuade him

01:04:41.100 in private

01:04:41.640 well and this is

01:04:42.920 another method

01:04:43.460 that Trump has used

01:04:44.660 effectively

01:04:45.160 where he says

01:04:46.060 I want a 10

01:04:47.100 I expect a 10

01:04:49.040 give me a 10

01:04:50.100 or else

01:04:50.600 and the whole game

01:04:51.960 is about winding up

01:04:52.920 with a 5 or a 6

01:04:54.000 so we'll see

01:04:55.680 we'll see on Greenland

01:04:56.640 I too do not think

01:04:57.760 we're invading Greenland

01:04:57.980 he talked about

01:04:58.720 seizing the canal

01:04:59.660 right

01:05:00.000 and the Panamanians

01:05:00.880 said okay

01:05:01.360 no we're actually

01:05:02.300 we'll kick the Chinese out

01:05:03.480 we'll give you a better deal

01:05:04.320 on fees

01:05:04.860 and he hasn't talked

01:05:05.920 about it since

01:05:06.600 so the Danes

01:05:07.720 should be thinking

01:05:08.180 about that model

01:05:08.840 I think

01:05:09.220 yes

01:05:10.060 okay

01:05:10.600 also I just like

01:05:11.880 our chances in general

01:05:12.820 against the Danes

01:05:13.580 yeah

01:05:14.280 enough said

01:05:16.460 let's talk about

01:05:18.200 Mamdani

01:05:18.740 what a mess

01:05:20.160 so he

01:05:20.860 not only did he get inaugurated

01:05:22.980 whatever sworn in

01:05:23.920 and said the nonsense

01:05:25.300 about

01:05:25.880 we're gonna

01:05:26.680 enjoy the warmth

01:05:27.860 of collectivism

01:05:28.840 instead of the

01:05:29.640 the frigidity

01:05:31.700 of

01:05:32.360 of individual

01:05:33.400 rugged behavior

01:05:34.640 or rugged individualism

01:05:36.040 now

01:05:37.760 he

01:05:39.400 it turns out

01:05:40.240 he's got

01:05:40.720 a director

01:05:41.600 of

01:05:42.800 the office

01:05:43.720 to protect

01:05:44.440 tenants

01:05:45.020 and New York

01:05:46.040 is all about

01:05:46.700 the landlord

01:05:47.240 tenant situation

01:05:48.020 I mean

01:05:48.440 the high rise

01:05:49.540 buildings

01:05:49.920 are filled

01:05:50.580 with people

01:05:51.440 leasing

01:05:52.520 their apartments

01:05:53.480 rich people

01:05:54.180 poor people

01:05:54.780 middle class people

01:05:55.740 it's the dominant

01:05:57.020 thing in New York

01:05:57.680 and

01:05:59.020 he has an office

01:06:00.480 to protect tenants

01:06:01.440 which sounds good

01:06:02.660 because

01:06:03.280 as between a tenant

01:06:04.660 and a landlord

01:06:05.180 most people think

01:06:05.940 of themselves

01:06:06.440 as the renter

01:06:07.160 and you think

01:06:07.580 yeah

01:06:07.820 protect the tenants

01:06:08.920 unfortunately

01:06:09.840 he's hired

01:06:10.900 a lunatic

01:06:11.860 her name is

01:06:13.080 Sia Weaver

01:06:14.240 and

01:06:15.480 I'll get the name

01:06:16.660 of the wonderful

01:06:17.420 woman online

01:06:18.340 who tracked

01:06:19.640 Sia Weaver's

01:06:20.820 accounts

01:06:21.340 before

01:06:22.240 she started

01:06:23.300 deleting them all

01:06:24.340 and this woman

01:06:25.400 did a great job

01:06:26.340 Michelle Tandler

01:06:27.760 is her name

01:06:28.360 who pulled the

01:06:29.180 screenshots

01:06:29.820 of some of her

01:06:30.900 most egregious posts

01:06:32.020 like

01:06:33.240 okay I'm just gonna

01:06:34.300 read a couple

01:06:34.700 there's no such thing

01:06:36.220 as a good gentrifier

01:06:37.700 meaning people

01:06:38.740 who move into

01:06:39.340 like poorer

01:06:39.980 neighborhoods

01:06:40.400 and have a little

01:06:41.540 bit more affluence

01:06:42.300 and are responsible

01:06:43.780 for raising the

01:06:45.660 property values

01:06:46.480 and bringing nicer

01:06:47.200 businesses in

01:06:47.880 only people who

01:06:49.340 are actively

01:06:49.920 working on projects

01:06:50.860 to dismantle

01:06:51.860 white supremacy

01:06:52.600 and capitalism

01:06:53.320 and those who

01:06:54.580 aren't

01:06:55.240 here's another one

01:06:56.240 rent control

01:06:57.760 and public housing

01:06:58.580 for everyone

01:06:59.640 massive government

01:07:00.940 interventions

01:07:01.520 to solve

01:07:02.320 gentrification

01:07:03.020 here's another one

01:07:04.800 she writes

01:07:06.800 I agree with you

01:07:07.660 unless you're talking

01:07:08.260 about rent control

01:07:09.240 rent control

01:07:10.140 is a perfect solution

01:07:11.520 to everything

01:07:12.240 she goes on to write

01:07:13.760 I think

01:07:14.720 pass really strong

01:07:16.300 rent control

01:07:16.960 is a more effective

01:07:17.960 way to shrink

01:07:18.640 the value of real estate

01:07:20.160 than reducing

01:07:21.140 rezoning applications

01:07:22.000 so what she wants

01:07:22.680 is to shrink

01:07:23.840 the value of real estate

01:07:25.500 and she thinks

01:07:25.880 the best way to do it

01:07:26.740 is to pass really strong

01:07:27.700 rent control

01:07:28.260 then we get to the

01:07:29.680 racial stuff

01:07:30.260 this country

01:07:31.240 built wealth

01:07:31.860 for white people

01:07:32.900 through genocide

01:07:33.940 slavery

01:07:34.420 stolen land

01:07:35.140 and labor

01:07:35.580 white supremacy

01:07:36.660 built the north

01:07:37.240 and the south

01:07:37.840 then she goes on

01:07:38.940 to say

01:07:39.340 endorse

01:07:40.500 she endorses

01:07:41.940 endorse a no more

01:07:43.360 white men in office

01:07:44.400 platform

01:07:44.940 and then she adds

01:07:46.100 and no more reality

01:07:46.920 tv stores for that matter

01:07:48.020 obviously reference

01:07:48.940 to trump

01:07:49.360 in 17

01:07:50.120 and then she writes

01:07:51.420 impoverish

01:07:52.420 the white middle class

01:07:54.200 home ownership

01:07:55.560 is racist

01:07:57.300 failed

01:07:58.440 public policy

01:07:59.420 impoverish

01:08:00.600 the white middle class

01:08:01.840 is the stated goal

01:08:03.280 of our new tenant

01:08:04.860 czar

01:08:05.420 in new york rich

01:08:07.000 which tells me

01:08:08.240 it's just as bad

01:08:09.600 if not worse

01:08:10.860 than we expected

01:08:12.080 your thoughts on

01:08:12.880 sia

01:08:13.380 the new tenant

01:08:14.640 czar

01:08:15.180 yeah it's just

01:08:16.840 it's comically

01:08:18.600 bad

01:08:19.260 now the ultimate

01:08:19.740 problem's not her

01:08:20.460 it's mom donnie

01:08:21.300 these are mom donnie's

01:08:22.340 views as well

01:08:23.000 although he's a good

01:08:23.720 politician so he did

01:08:24.760 as much as he

01:08:25.380 possibly could to

01:08:26.240 obscure them

01:08:26.820 prior to the election

01:08:28.260 but private property

01:08:29.720 is not just the

01:08:30.340 core individual right

01:08:31.520 it undergirds

01:08:32.280 every liberty

01:08:33.360 in western

01:08:35.100 civilization

01:08:35.860 and rent control

01:08:37.380 wherever it's been

01:08:38.060 tried

01:08:38.740 has been an

01:08:39.860 abject failure

01:08:40.840 including in

01:08:41.780 new york

01:08:42.520 you know the famous

01:08:43.280 phrase ladies and

01:08:44.080 gentlemen the bronx

01:08:44.860 is burning

01:08:45.540 which is supposedly

01:08:46.740 said during a world

01:08:47.480 series

01:08:47.820 excuse me

01:08:48.900 broadcast

01:08:49.420 in new york

01:08:51.620 in 1977

01:08:52.420 wasn't actually said

01:08:53.340 but there was a

01:08:54.180 huge fire

01:08:54.920 visible from the

01:08:56.060 stadium

01:08:56.480 and so notable

01:08:57.640 that the broadcasters

01:08:58.500 talked about it

01:08:59.360 because all these

01:09:00.260 buildings were burning

01:09:01.100 because they were

01:09:01.680 dilapidated

01:09:02.580 or the owners

01:09:04.040 didn't want them

01:09:04.720 anymore

01:09:05.180 because they weren't

01:09:06.260 weren't making any

01:09:07.000 money off of them

01:09:07.660 and they couldn't

01:09:08.240 possibly make money

01:09:09.200 off of them

01:09:09.600 so they didn't invest

01:09:10.740 in them and didn't

01:09:11.400 have any incentive

01:09:12.300 to keep them up

01:09:13.660 so what you do when

01:09:14.480 you rent control

01:09:15.020 a bunch of apartments

01:09:15.740 you ensure that

01:09:17.140 their stock

01:09:18.940 their value goes

01:09:19.880 steadily down

01:09:20.620 and then meanwhile

01:09:21.980 everyone else who's

01:09:22.940 not in a rent control

01:09:23.580 department has to pay

01:09:24.460 even more

01:09:25.060 because the those

01:09:26.560 you constricted

01:09:28.200 the supply

01:09:28.720 so it's just

01:09:29.340 been an abject

01:09:30.540 failure everywhere

01:09:31.920 so on top of

01:09:33.180 just these hideous

01:09:34.180 immoral views

01:09:35.680 she has

01:09:36.220 she knows nothing

01:09:37.340 about economics

01:09:38.220 and nothing about

01:09:38.860 the history

01:09:39.320 of her own city

01:09:40.040 here's a little

01:09:41.280 more on camera

01:09:42.260 this time

01:09:42.720 from Sia

01:09:43.720 Weaver

01:09:45.000 Weaver

01:09:46.180 in Sot9

01:09:47.180 democratically

01:09:50.360 controlled public

01:09:51.100 housing is really

01:09:51.880 important

01:09:52.340 and that's why

01:09:52.940 when Raquel

01:09:53.360 was talking about

01:09:54.040 the communities

01:09:54.660 and that she's

01:09:56.040 describing

01:09:56.500 that you know

01:09:58.320 that's a

01:09:58.900 creative community

01:10:00.260 where the people

01:10:00.800 who are living

01:10:01.300 there are like

01:10:01.920 setting the agenda

01:10:03.040 and so you know

01:10:04.960 people like

01:10:05.740 home ownership

01:10:06.320 because they like

01:10:07.620 control and that's

01:10:08.460 been perverted by

01:10:09.360 like deep racism

01:10:10.480 and deep classism

01:10:11.560 in our society

01:10:12.200 so like we have

01:10:13.300 to not have a

01:10:14.440 racist and classist

01:10:15.200 society and so

01:10:16.000 that's like something

01:10:16.780 we need to think

01:10:17.440 about like deeply

01:10:18.300 um but you know

01:10:20.500 um we

01:10:22.260 it's about

01:10:23.220 to me it's about

01:10:23.960 control and why

01:10:24.840 rent control is

01:10:25.540 really important

01:10:26.200 is because rent

01:10:26.960 control alters

01:10:27.780 the power

01:10:29.140 dynamic between

01:10:30.440 renters and

01:10:31.720 who owns

01:10:32.920 the building

01:10:33.560 we have to think

01:10:36.080 deeply about the

01:10:37.280 deep racism

01:10:38.060 and classism

01:10:39.320 behind

01:10:40.160 home ownership

01:10:41.220 rich that's our

01:10:42.200 assignment from

01:10:43.020 Sia Weaver

01:10:44.440 you know what

01:10:45.480 she reminds me of

01:10:46.360 this is what

01:10:47.280 people say

01:10:48.400 is being done

01:10:49.040 to South African

01:10:49.700 farmers right

01:10:50.840 you get a

01:10:52.000 government that

01:10:53.200 is racist

01:10:53.980 against white

01:10:54.840 people and

01:10:55.660 seeks to

01:10:56.300 oppress them

01:10:57.580 in order to

01:11:00.140 supposedly make up

01:11:01.100 for past

01:11:01.720 injustices

01:11:02.980 wait can I just

01:11:03.760 say I'll start

01:11:04.520 to interrupt you

01:11:05.000 but literally

01:11:05.560 in his

01:11:06.220 acceptance speech

01:11:07.720 Mamdami said

01:11:09.120 South Africa

01:11:09.860 is our model

01:11:10.740 there you go

01:11:12.200 yeah I

01:11:12.820 missed that

01:11:13.740 but homeownership

01:11:14.740 is a universal

01:11:15.600 aspiration

01:11:16.780 and it's good

01:11:17.780 for everyone

01:11:18.760 and you want

01:11:19.440 more people

01:11:20.040 to be homeowners

01:11:20.720 not to punish

01:11:21.780 people who

01:11:22.440 happen to

01:11:23.140 have enough

01:11:23.780 resources

01:11:24.200 to own homes

01:11:25.340 and to really

01:11:25.980 reduce the value

01:11:27.160 of housing

01:11:28.960 and to make

01:11:29.640 rents lower

01:11:30.380 and the price

01:11:31.020 of houses lower

01:11:31.880 you need a

01:11:32.660 greater supply

01:11:33.460 so you need

01:11:34.120 to encourage

01:11:35.260 developers

01:11:36.720 and landlords

01:11:38.100 to build

01:11:39.800 and invest

01:11:40.600 more

01:11:40.980 and this is

01:11:41.560 the exact

01:11:42.000 opposite approach

01:11:42.880 so not only

01:11:44.420 does she think

01:11:45.140 that housing

01:11:45.640 is racist

01:11:46.420 she actually

01:11:47.940 thinks that

01:11:48.480 white New Yorkers

01:11:49.920 are going to

01:11:50.300 have to

01:11:50.740 have a different

01:11:52.180 relationship

01:11:52.860 with property

01:11:54.200 Sia

01:11:55.140 doesn't think

01:11:56.200 you should really

01:11:56.960 have your apartment

01:11:57.840 under the terms

01:11:59.280 that you and your

01:12:00.000 mortgage broker

01:12:00.760 or the seller

01:12:01.620 negotiated

01:12:02.800 here she is

01:12:03.900 in the clip

01:12:04.460 that made

01:12:05.000 a lot of

01:12:06.040 a lot of

01:12:07.180 people unhappy

01:12:08.780 when it hit

01:12:09.560 yesterday

01:12:09.920 Sadi

01:12:10.200 I think

01:12:12.720 the reality

01:12:13.460 is that

01:12:14.420 for centuries

01:12:15.460 we have

01:12:16.020 really treated

01:12:16.960 property as

01:12:18.760 an individualized

01:12:19.660 good and not

01:12:20.260 a collective

01:12:20.660 good

01:12:21.180 and transitioning

01:12:23.640 to treating

01:12:24.480 it as

01:12:25.200 a collective

01:12:26.840 good and

01:12:27.540 towards a

01:12:28.160 model of

01:12:28.540 shared equity

01:12:29.220 will require

01:12:30.900 that we think

01:12:31.540 about it

01:12:31.900 differently

01:12:32.320 and it will

01:12:33.480 mean that

01:12:34.340 families

01:12:35.840 especially white

01:12:36.760 families but

01:12:37.400 some POC

01:12:38.040 families who are

01:12:38.680 homeowners as well

01:12:39.520 are going to

01:12:41.480 have a

01:12:43.020 different

01:12:43.280 relationship to

01:12:44.000 property than

01:12:44.660 the one that

01:12:45.840 we currently

01:12:46.200 have

01:12:46.700 what does that

01:12:49.680 mean

01:12:50.020 a different

01:12:52.060 relationship to

01:12:52.760 property

01:12:53.140 does that mean

01:12:53.780 your property

01:12:54.180 is being taken

01:12:54.760 from you

01:12:55.400 or you can

01:12:56.660 no longer

01:12:57.140 own it

01:12:57.740 and I don't

01:12:58.500 know anyone

01:12:59.040 whether they

01:12:59.480 own the

01:13:00.560 smallest little

01:13:01.200 postage stamp

01:13:01.980 property or the

01:13:02.900 biggest mansion

01:13:04.200 in the country

01:13:04.800 everyone is proud

01:13:05.720 of their property

01:13:06.380 everyone is highly

01:13:07.440 invested in it

01:13:08.300 no one wants

01:13:09.320 anyone to take

01:13:10.160 a step on it

01:13:11.020 without their

01:13:11.640 permission

01:13:12.460 this is a

01:13:13.280 fundamental part

01:13:14.360 of human nature

01:13:15.460 and that's why

01:13:16.080 systems based on

01:13:17.260 this worldview

01:13:17.840 always and

01:13:18.800 inevitably

01:13:19.320 fail

01:13:20.420 so

01:13:22.000 Harmeet Dillon

01:13:22.820 who's running

01:13:24.100 the civil division

01:13:25.300 at the Department

01:13:25.820 of Justice

01:13:26.260 she saw that

01:13:27.560 and tweeted out

01:13:28.300 reminder

01:13:28.940 hey FYI

01:13:30.180 we're watching

01:13:30.800 you and it's

01:13:31.900 illegal to

01:13:32.560 discriminate on

01:13:33.160 the basis of

01:13:33.800 race in housing

01:13:35.340 policy

01:13:35.880 sorry but you're

01:13:36.980 gonna get sued

01:13:37.580 if you try

01:13:38.460 this shit

01:13:38.860 thank god

01:13:39.300 for Harmeet

01:13:39.780 she's truly

01:13:40.720 like one of

01:13:41.440 the MVPs

01:13:42.240 of the Trump

01:13:43.200 administration

01:13:43.700 and she does

01:13:44.680 it quietly

01:13:45.200 without fanfare

01:13:46.220 but she's a

01:13:46.940 badass

01:13:47.320 speaking of

01:13:49.740 DOJ policy

01:13:51.360 let's move

01:13:52.060 to Minnesota

01:13:52.520 for a moment

01:13:53.280 where the

01:13:54.860 Department of

01:13:55.380 Homeland Security

01:13:56.460 is now

01:13:58.100 conducting

01:13:58.840 raids

01:14:00.280 I think that's

01:14:01.840 the right word

01:14:02.400 but a full

01:14:02.940 scale investigation

01:14:03.920 unleashing some

01:14:04.900 2,000 agents

01:14:06.440 all over

01:14:07.680 Minneapolis

01:14:08.200 in the wake

01:14:09.080 of Nick

01:14:10.020 Shirley's

01:14:10.700 independent

01:14:11.080 journalist

01:14:11.540 explosive report

01:14:12.780 that hit on

01:14:13.220 December 26th

01:14:14.260 and some of

01:14:14.840 the reporting

01:14:15.280 that came

01:14:15.840 before that

01:14:16.900 here's one

01:14:17.760 video of

01:14:18.480 DHS

01:14:18.980 that they

01:14:19.540 posted

01:14:19.920 showing

01:14:20.820 Homeland Security

01:14:21.740 investigations

01:14:22.380 in Minneapolis

01:14:23.360 they're going

01:14:25.120 from business

01:14:26.080 to business

01:14:26.880 then

01:14:28.220 Kristi Noem's

01:14:29.000 convoy

01:14:29.580 was in the

01:14:31.980 news as well

01:14:32.620 in Minneapolis

01:14:33.680 checking out

01:14:34.600 some of these

01:14:35.420 areas

01:14:36.400 that were

01:14:37.660 unearthed by

01:14:38.420 Nick Shirley

01:14:38.920 as allegedly

01:14:39.480 having daycare

01:14:40.520 centers with

01:14:41.100 no children

01:14:42.020 and

01:14:43.340 it does seem

01:14:45.380 this is smart

01:14:46.200 to me

01:14:46.740 Rich

01:14:47.200 because

01:14:47.560 A we need

01:14:48.960 to crack down

01:14:49.380 on these people

01:14:49.760 but B it's

01:14:50.340 good politics

01:14:51.000 because Trump

01:14:51.700 doesn't want

01:14:52.660 the narrative

01:14:53.060 to be

01:14:53.460 all of his

01:14:54.000 attention

01:14:54.360 is in

01:14:54.980 Venezuela

01:14:55.440 when we've

01:14:56.720 got real

01:14:57.040 problems here

01:14:57.720 and he is

01:14:58.480 proving you

01:14:58.900 can walk

01:14:59.260 and chew

01:14:59.500 gum at

01:15:00.120 the same

01:15:00.420 time

01:15:00.740 yeah so

01:15:02.460 these rays

01:15:02.900 are fine

01:15:03.240 maybe they're

01:15:03.600 even helpful

01:15:04.160 I do think

01:15:04.940 they're in

01:15:06.160 large part

01:15:06.640 for show

01:15:07.260 and I think

01:15:07.780 the real

01:15:08.420 action here

01:15:09.320 let me back

01:15:10.200 up I think

01:15:10.600 the viral

01:15:11.220 content we've

01:15:11.820 seen from

01:15:12.140 the City

01:15:12.420 Journal and

01:15:12.980 Nick Shirley

01:15:13.400 very helpful

01:15:14.440 you don't

01:15:15.020 blow Tim

01:15:15.920 Waltz out

01:15:16.300 of the water

01:15:16.700 without him

01:15:17.320 but I do

01:15:18.020 think they've

01:15:18.640 created a

01:15:19.020 misimpression

01:15:19.820 that this

01:15:20.380 scandal just

01:15:21.180 broke three

01:15:21.900 weeks ago

01:15:22.400 when actually

01:15:23.200 it's been

01:15:23.440 an ongoing

01:15:24.500 thing for

01:15:25.040 years and

01:15:25.740 the federal

01:15:26.100 prosecutors

01:15:26.640 have been

01:15:27.200 heroes there

01:15:28.340 exposing this

01:15:29.700 and nailing

01:15:30.780 some of the

01:15:31.100 malefactors

01:15:31.720 to the wall

01:15:32.280 so the most

01:15:32.780 important thing

01:15:33.640 I think

01:15:34.160 get them

01:15:34.900 more resources

01:15:35.520 I think

01:15:35.840 they have

01:15:36.020 maybe five

01:15:36.660 people in

01:15:37.640 this office

01:15:38.160 led by this

01:15:38.780 guy named

01:15:39.140 Joe Thompson

01:15:39.740 who's been

01:15:40.160 a total

01:15:40.540 hero

01:15:40.820 give him

01:15:41.360 a couple

01:15:41.640 more

01:15:41.960 fantastic

01:15:43.100 top of

01:15:43.540 the line

01:15:43.760 prosecutors

01:15:44.320 and some

01:15:45.180 more

01:15:45.360 investigators

01:15:45.960 and let

01:15:47.120 him keep

01:15:47.500 going at

01:15:48.080 this

01:15:48.340 I think

01:15:48.900 that's where

01:15:49.640 the rubber

01:15:50.060 really meets

01:15:50.920 the road

01:15:51.340 because the

01:15:51.620 exposure is

01:15:52.040 fantastic

01:15:52.560 but you need

01:15:53.460 to nail

01:15:54.100 every single

01:15:55.060 one of these

01:15:55.520 people to

01:15:55.980 the wall

01:15:56.380 one of the

01:15:57.980 infuriating

01:15:59.100 things about

01:15:59.540 this

01:15:59.680 I tweeted

01:16:00.100 out

01:16:00.440 after the

01:16:02.060 Nick Shirley

01:16:02.400 piece broke

01:16:02.980 where was

01:16:03.680 the Minneapolis

01:16:04.200 Star Tribune

01:16:04.920 in breaking

01:16:05.880 this story

01:16:06.460 because they've

01:16:07.240 written countless

01:16:08.000 stories defending

01:16:08.780 Tim Walsh's

01:16:09.480 insane trans

01:16:10.660 policies on

01:16:11.320 children

01:16:11.580 they're very

01:16:12.440 focused on

01:16:12.980 defending

01:16:13.280 tampons in

01:16:13.940 the boys

01:16:14.180 bathroom

01:16:14.540 but not

01:16:15.600 so much

01:16:15.980 on unearthing

01:16:16.680 the Somali

01:16:17.200 fraud

01:16:17.580 and it's

01:16:18.600 come out

01:16:19.040 that part

01:16:19.680 of the

01:16:19.840 reason is

01:16:20.420 they're

01:16:21.420 worried about

01:16:21.740 being called

01:16:22.140 racists

01:16:22.780 the Democratic

01:16:23.460 lawmakers

01:16:23.920 didn't want

01:16:24.320 to be called

01:16:24.600 racist

01:16:24.880 I'm sure

01:16:25.240 it applies

01:16:25.600 at the

01:16:25.820 Minneapolis

01:16:26.160 Star Tribune

01:16:26.740 too

01:16:27.020 and their

01:16:28.300 defenders

01:16:28.840 were responding

01:16:30.480 to my

01:16:30.900 tweet

01:16:31.280 by showing

01:16:32.920 articles

01:16:33.620 in which

01:16:34.500 the Minneapolis

01:16:34.940 Star Tribune

01:16:35.920 covered

01:16:36.840 the Fed's

01:16:38.020 criminal

01:16:38.800 prosecutions

01:16:39.840 of some

01:16:40.680 of the

01:16:41.040 Somali

01:16:41.480 fraudsters

01:16:41.980 that's not

01:16:42.860 what we're

01:16:43.120 talking about

01:16:43.720 we're talking

01:16:44.660 about actual

01:16:45.380 investigative

01:16:46.140 journalism

01:16:46.700 where you

01:16:47.600 as the

01:16:48.080 reporter

01:16:48.560 unearth

01:16:49.420 the fraud

01:16:50.060 where your

01:16:51.040 reporting

01:16:51.580 drags

01:16:52.560 the government

01:16:53.140 to the

01:16:54.020 problem

01:16:54.480 kicking and

01:16:55.280 screaming

01:16:55.580 or willingly

01:16:56.320 that's

01:16:57.500 what

01:16:57.840 actual

01:16:58.480 investigative

01:16:59.060 journalism

01:16:59.500 looks like

01:17:00.020 not

01:17:00.280 okay

01:17:00.880 now the

01:17:01.300 feds

01:17:01.520 have

01:17:01.620 actually

01:17:01.860 gotten

01:17:02.080 a bunch

01:17:02.400 of

01:17:02.540 convictions

01:17:03.040 of 80

01:17:03.740 Somalis

01:17:04.260 I guess

01:17:04.720 we're going

01:17:05.000 to have

01:17:05.280 to cover

01:17:05.680 this

01:17:06.000 instead

01:17:06.860 what we

01:17:07.220 saw the

01:17:07.500 media do

01:17:07.980 rich

01:17:08.280 in the

01:17:08.580 wake

01:17:08.780 of

01:17:09.040 Nick

01:17:09.780 Shirley's

01:17:10.120 report

01:17:10.400 and

01:17:10.600 City

01:17:10.820 Journal

01:17:11.120 and

01:17:12.220 Walter

01:17:12.640 Kern

01:17:13.420 Walter

01:17:14.220 Kern

01:17:14.500 Kite

01:17:14.760 as he

01:17:15.220 called

01:17:15.420 himself

01:17:15.920 on our

01:17:17.300 show

01:17:17.500 yesterday

01:17:17.960 County

01:17:18.780 Highway

01:17:19.120 that reporting

01:17:20.780 is to

01:17:21.720 shit all

01:17:22.140 over the

01:17:22.640 reporting

01:17:22.960 you know

01:17:23.360 we pulled

01:17:23.740 a couple

01:17:24.000 of these

01:17:24.420 of

01:17:25.700 the

01:17:26.820 headlines

01:17:27.200 this is

01:17:27.540 courtesy

01:17:27.760 of

01:17:27.980 Drew

01:17:28.160 Holden

01:17:28.520 who

01:17:28.720 we

01:17:28.880 follow

01:17:29.100 on

01:17:29.300 X

01:17:29.540 and

01:17:29.660 he

01:17:29.740 does

01:17:29.880 a great

01:17:30.100 job

01:17:30.320 of

01:17:30.540 sort

01:17:31.000 of

01:17:31.140 collating

01:17:31.660 things

01:17:32.140 the

01:17:33.140 New York

01:17:33.440 Times

01:17:33.820 who

01:17:35.240 seemed

01:17:35.780 positively

01:17:36.400 incensed

01:17:37.000 he writes

01:17:37.420 accurately

01:17:37.920 that this

01:17:38.800 video from

01:17:39.220 Nick Shirley

01:17:39.580 caught fire

01:17:40.080 accusing him

01:17:40.680 of being

01:17:40.980 quote

01:17:41.200 in search

01:17:41.660 of

01:17:41.820 politically

01:17:42.140 charged

01:17:42.560 footage

01:17:43.020 while

01:17:43.620 burying

01:17:44.080 whether

01:17:44.340 there

01:17:44.520 were

01:17:44.640 any

01:17:44.880 actual

01:17:45.460 kids

01:17:45.740 at

01:17:45.860 these

01:17:45.980 child

01:17:46.240 care

01:17:46.420 centers

01:17:46.720 in

01:17:46.820 the

01:17:46.920 first

01:17:47.100 place

01:17:47.380 he

01:17:48.460 mentions

01:17:48.900 next

01:17:49.340 the

01:17:50.300 AP

01:17:50.660 saying

01:17:51.820 this

01:17:52.320 was

01:17:52.500 perhaps

01:17:52.840 the

01:17:53.200 most

01:17:53.420 awful

01:17:53.680 defense

01:17:54.060 of

01:17:54.200 the

01:17:54.300 child

01:17:54.540 care

01:17:54.780 centers

01:17:55.480 the

01:17:56.120 AP

01:17:56.360 relying

01:17:56.740 on

01:17:56.900 the

01:17:57.000 head

01:17:57.120 of

01:17:57.220 the

01:17:57.320 now

01:17:57.540 famous

01:17:58.040 and

01:17:58.320 allegedly

01:17:58.660 closed

01:17:59.160 ABC

01:17:59.720 learning

01:18:01.120 center

01:18:01.520 that

01:18:01.820 didn't

01:18:01.980 have

01:18:02.140 the

01:18:02.260 N

01:18:02.460 to

01:18:03.500 suggest

01:18:03.840 that

01:18:04.140 this

01:18:04.660 criticism

01:18:05.080 is

01:18:05.360 quote

01:18:05.540 a

01:18:05.720 political

01:18:06.200 campaign

01:18:07.580 against

01:18:08.480 Somali

01:18:09.300 Minnesotans

01:18:10.340 okay

01:18:11.020 it was a

01:18:11.500 campaign

01:18:12.060 against

01:18:12.660 the poor

01:18:13.120 Somalis

01:18:13.720 I could

01:18:14.440 be here

01:18:14.720 with you

01:18:15.020 all day

01:18:15.380 going

01:18:15.660 through

01:18:15.840 them

01:18:16.020 CNN

01:18:16.340 we

01:18:16.560 covered

01:18:16.780 yesterday

01:18:17.100 as well

01:18:17.400 as CBS

01:18:18.900 their focus

01:18:19.300 has been

01:18:19.720 yeah

01:18:21.360 so

01:18:21.860 you're

01:18:22.500 absolutely

01:18:22.740 right

01:18:22.940 journalists

01:18:23.200 should be

01:18:23.460 seeking

01:18:23.700 to advance

01:18:24.280 the story

01:18:24.980 instead

01:18:25.480 they focus

01:18:26.940 very often

01:18:27.520 on attacking

01:18:28.160 the guy

01:18:28.620 who advanced

01:18:29.120 the story

01:18:29.560 right

01:18:29.760 so the

01:18:30.020 story

01:18:30.220 was

01:18:30.400 Nick

01:18:30.620 Shirley

01:18:30.920 the story

01:18:31.420 wasn't

01:18:31.760 the underlying

01:18:32.480 scandal

01:18:33.540 CNN sent

01:18:34.540 someone

01:18:34.860 to confront

01:18:35.620 Nick

01:18:36.180 Shirley

01:18:36.540 and then

01:18:37.120 they only

01:18:37.800 covered

01:18:38.440 the story

01:18:39.060 in that

01:18:39.460 they were

01:18:39.680 trying to

01:18:40.060 debunk

01:18:40.480 Nick

01:18:40.880 Shirley

01:18:41.080 and he

01:18:41.340 got some

01:18:41.720 things

01:18:42.100 wrong

01:18:42.480 but he

01:18:42.840 also

01:18:43.240 it was

01:18:43.920 so

01:18:44.120 compelling

01:18:44.600 because

01:18:44.840 it's

01:18:44.980 just so

01:18:45.320 shocking

01:18:45.880 to the

01:18:46.220 conscience

01:18:46.620 to show

01:18:47.240 up

01:18:47.500 to see him

01:18:48.140 show up

01:18:48.440 at this

01:18:48.680 place

01:18:49.020 when a

01:18:49.440 scandal

01:18:49.640 has been

01:18:49.880 going

01:18:50.060 for years

01:18:50.600 and they're

01:18:50.980 still

01:18:51.220 operating

01:18:51.820 and getting

01:18:52.240 millions

01:18:52.540 of dollars

01:18:52.840 from the

01:18:53.120 state

01:18:53.320 and there's

01:18:53.640 no one

01:18:53.900 there

01:18:54.120 it's obviously

01:18:54.880 a bogus

01:18:55.840 story

01:18:57.040 go and do

01:18:57.660 that yourself

01:18:58.400 rather than

01:18:58.960 attacking the

01:18:59.540 guy

01:18:59.900 you know

01:19:00.620 the YouTuber

01:19:01.240 who had

01:19:01.680 the gumption

01:19:02.160 to do it

01:19:02.800 on his own

01:19:03.300 with a local

01:19:05.060 guide

01:19:05.480 so part of

01:19:07.180 the reason

01:19:07.540 I mentioned

01:19:08.040 is they're

01:19:08.680 all worried

01:19:09.160 about being

01:19:09.440 called a racist

01:19:10.020 because the

01:19:10.540 fraud appears

01:19:11.060 to be

01:19:11.380 committed

01:19:11.960 by a bunch

01:19:12.440 of Somalis

01:19:12.960 their

01:19:14.600 lieutenant

01:19:15.200 governor

01:19:15.760 Peggy

01:19:16.900 Flanagan

01:19:17.520 is an

01:19:18.760 idiot

01:19:19.140 and here

01:19:20.420 she was

01:19:21.200 on December

01:19:22.260 26th

01:19:24.180 in Minnesota

01:19:26.120 reacting

01:19:27.500 to some

01:19:28.600 of these

01:19:29.140 reports

01:19:29.500 his report

01:19:30.220 hit on

01:19:30.500 December 26th

01:19:31.340 look at her

01:19:32.200 sat 25

01:19:33.220 my name is

01:19:35.540 Peggy Flanagan

01:19:36.200 I am the

01:19:37.440 lieutenant governor

01:19:38.080 of Minnesota

01:19:38.640 and I'm really

01:19:39.440 honored and humbled

01:19:40.440 to be here with

01:19:41.540 all of you

01:19:42.100 today

01:19:42.740 I am incredibly

01:19:44.280 clear that the

01:19:45.600 Somali community

01:19:46.480 is part of the

01:19:47.800 fabric of the

01:19:48.900 state of

01:19:49.800 Minnesota

01:19:50.360 she's in a

01:19:53.780 hijab

01:19:54.860 yeah

01:19:56.560 I mean if

01:19:57.320 these people

01:19:57.680 were on the

01:19:57.960 up and up

01:19:58.460 they would

01:19:58.720 have said

01:19:59.540 Nick Shirley

01:20:00.560 thank you

01:20:01.780 you know

01:20:02.340 you've

01:20:03.180 uncovered

01:20:04.340 some

01:20:04.780 fraud

01:20:05.560 that is

01:20:06.220 terrible

01:20:06.640 and shouldn't

01:20:07.060 have happened

01:20:07.420 thank you

01:20:08.220 for doing

01:20:08.680 it

01:20:08.820 if you

01:20:09.060 can find

01:20:09.480 more

01:20:09.860 great

01:20:10.460 you know

01:20:10.840 and we'll

01:20:11.180 go right

01:20:11.540 behind you

01:20:12.220 we'll see

01:20:12.920 whether they're

01:20:13.640 appropriate or not

01:20:14.220 and we'll cut

01:20:14.600 them off

01:20:14.900 and we'll

01:20:15.140 prosecute

01:20:15.580 them

01:20:15.680 right

01:20:15.840 that would

01:20:16.620 be the

01:20:16.880 up and

01:20:17.140 up

01:20:17.300 response

01:20:18.080 but instead

01:20:18.540 they've

01:20:18.880 been desperate

01:20:19.400 to cover

01:20:19.940 for the

01:20:20.280 scandal

01:20:20.580 and minimize

01:20:21.160 it

01:20:21.540 from the

01:20:22.220 beginning

01:20:22.540 the accusations

01:20:23.920 of racism

01:20:24.920 clearly

01:20:25.720 even though

01:20:27.360 various

01:20:27.920 bureaucrats

01:20:28.480 in Minnesota

01:20:28.860 thought something

01:20:29.600 was desperately

01:20:30.200 wrong

01:20:30.740 clearly helped

01:20:31.800 convince them

01:20:32.400 to let it

01:20:33.340 go

01:20:33.640 and they're

01:20:34.420 still in that

01:20:35.100 still in that

01:20:35.940 mode

01:20:36.360 and look at

01:20:37.340 her Rich

01:20:38.000 she's got her

01:20:38.800 big black

01:20:39.820 liberal glasses

01:20:40.940 on like the

01:20:41.920 Rachel Maddow

01:20:42.600 huge glasses

01:20:43.380 that all the

01:20:43.840 libs wind up

01:20:44.560 wearing from

01:20:45.220 Mark Cuban

01:20:45.860 to

01:20:46.260 Oberman

01:20:47.380 to Rachel

01:20:47.860 she's got

01:20:48.300 her code

01:20:49.180 her coded

01:20:49.640 glasses on

01:20:50.200 I'm a liberal

01:20:50.720 I'm a progressive

01:20:51.640 and her hijab

01:20:53.760 she I'm pretty

01:20:54.520 sure you're not

01:20:54.900 allowed to wear

01:20:55.240 that if you're

01:20:55.680 not actually

01:20:56.080 Muslim

01:20:56.440 so Peggy

01:20:57.160 I think

01:20:57.460 you've

01:20:57.700 you've

01:20:58.200 culturally

01:20:58.540 appropriated

01:20:59.380 she looks

01:21:00.800 like an

01:21:01.720 idiot

01:21:02.060 and this

01:21:03.200 is why

01:21:03.800 the Minnesota

01:21:04.640 taxpayers

01:21:05.240 have paid

01:21:06.180 who got

01:21:07.120 God knows

01:21:07.540 how many

01:21:08.040 millions

01:21:08.840 in fraudulent

01:21:09.840 dollars to

01:21:10.420 this community

01:21:10.880 good luck

01:21:11.920 I believe

01:21:12.720 in the feds

01:21:13.300 but I do

01:21:13.740 not believe

01:21:14.120 in any

01:21:14.440 Minnesota

01:21:14.740 law enforcement

01:21:15.760 and Tim

01:21:16.620 Walls

01:21:17.000 has now

01:21:17.700 ended

01:21:18.200 his political

01:21:18.900 career

01:21:19.300 as a result

01:21:19.900 of all this

01:21:20.300 so farewell

01:21:21.020 to him

01:21:21.500 now in a

01:21:22.660 not totally

01:21:24.420 unrelated

01:21:24.800 story

01:21:25.360 it hit

01:21:26.260 the news

01:21:26.900 late yesterday

01:21:27.780 that ICE

01:21:28.880 agents who

01:21:29.480 were booking

01:21:29.960 their trip

01:21:31.080 to Minnesota

01:21:32.040 to go check

01:21:33.360 out some of

01:21:33.720 these businesses

01:21:34.260 were rejected

01:21:35.620 they made the

01:21:36.760 reservations at

01:21:37.720 this Minnesota

01:21:38.540 Hilton

01:21:39.400 and then the

01:21:41.300 Hilton

01:21:41.680 front desk

01:21:43.340 whatever

01:21:43.960 the people

01:21:44.460 managing the

01:21:45.140 reservations

01:21:45.560 but you know

01:21:47.040 site

01:21:47.440 at the

01:21:48.080 local site

01:21:48.900 it wasn't

01:21:49.300 like on the

01:21:49.640 1-800 number

01:21:50.240 for Hilton

01:21:50.700 called them

01:21:51.940 back and said

01:21:52.660 we're canceling

01:21:53.940 all of your

01:21:54.660 reservations

01:21:55.240 we're not

01:21:55.820 having ICE

01:21:56.440 people here

01:21:57.140 it's in

01:21:57.760 writing

01:21:58.120 it's

01:21:58.840 you can

01:21:59.440 people

01:21:59.640 take a

01:22:00.160 look at

01:22:00.660 it themselves

01:22:01.100 but they

01:22:02.100 made clear

01:22:02.440 they didn't

01:22:02.840 want them

01:22:03.260 there

01:22:03.560 and now

01:22:05.080 hold on

01:22:05.840 I'm trying

01:22:06.040 to find it

01:22:06.420 okay now

01:22:08.140 this is all

01:22:09.260 broken by

01:22:09.660 Nick Sorter

01:22:10.180 I should say

01:22:10.980 a journalist

01:22:11.460 on X

01:22:11.860 another

01:22:12.040 independent

01:22:12.440 journalist

01:22:12.860 who went

01:22:14.080 to the

01:22:15.300 the Minneapolis

01:22:16.420 is the

01:22:16.880 Minnesota

01:22:17.600 Hilton

01:22:18.060 okay so

01:22:18.980 the controversy

01:22:19.640 hit

01:22:20.040 DHS

01:22:21.100 called attention

01:22:21.820 to it

01:22:22.260 saying

01:22:22.700 what kind

01:22:23.360 of BS

01:22:23.760 is this

01:22:24.380 and then

01:22:25.220 the Hilton

01:22:25.960 chain

01:22:28.040 apologized

01:22:28.820 for banning

01:22:30.560 DHS agents

01:22:31.380 they didn't

01:22:31.760 deny that

01:22:32.200 it happened

01:22:32.600 and

01:22:33.520 they

01:22:35.260 they issued

01:22:35.940 a statement

01:22:36.580 claiming that

01:22:38.180 they'd been

01:22:39.180 in touch

01:22:39.620 with DHS

01:22:40.240 to accommodate

01:22:41.080 the impacted

01:22:41.820 agents

01:22:42.480 and that

01:22:43.240 they do not

01:22:43.720 discriminate

01:22:44.140 against any

01:22:44.800 individuals

01:22:45.340 or agencies

01:22:46.160 but

01:22:47.220 now

01:22:48.020 Nick Sorter

01:22:48.580 breaks

01:22:49.020 that

01:22:49.620 there was

01:22:50.760 no such

01:22:51.140 attempt

01:22:51.420 to reach

01:22:51.840 DHS

01:22:52.440 or to

01:22:53.680 make it

01:22:53.960 right

01:22:54.300 citing

01:22:55.320 assistant

01:22:55.760 DHS

01:22:56.160 secretary

01:22:56.520 Tricia

01:22:56.820 McLaughlin

01:22:57.380 and says

01:22:58.280 even the

01:22:58.640 front desk

01:22:59.120 manager

01:22:59.480 says

01:23:00.000 that he

01:23:00.740 had spoken

01:23:01.200 with the

01:23:01.560 owner

01:23:01.800 shortly

01:23:02.180 before

01:23:02.440 Nick

01:23:02.640 Sorter

01:23:02.840 walked

01:23:03.180 in

01:23:03.400 again

01:23:03.600 this is

01:23:03.880 Nick

01:23:04.080 Sorter

01:23:04.420 not to

01:23:04.720 be

01:23:04.840 confused

01:23:05.120 with Nick

01:23:05.480 Shirley

01:23:05.720 around

01:23:06.720 10.50

01:23:07.220 p.m.

01:23:07.560 and confirmed

01:23:08.140 that the

01:23:08.980 anti-ICE

01:23:10.100 policy

01:23:10.640 remained

01:23:11.260 in

01:23:11.820 effect

01:23:12.500 here

01:23:13.140 is

01:23:13.360 Nick

01:23:13.560 Sorter

01:23:13.840 going

01:23:14.180 to

01:23:14.380 the

01:23:14.540 Hilton

01:23:14.860 Sot

01:23:15.540 27

01:23:16.020 do you

01:23:18.260 have any

01:23:18.380 rooms

01:23:18.600 for

01:23:18.760 tonight

01:23:19.020 you

01:23:22.020 should

01:23:22.280 yeah

01:23:22.580 okay

01:23:22.980 like

01:23:23.640 how

01:23:23.860 many

01:23:24.140 can we

01:23:24.480 get

01:23:24.580 like

01:23:24.740 10

01:23:25.000 10

01:23:26.560 what

01:23:27.200 agency

01:23:29.780 is it

01:23:30.660 for

01:23:30.960 they'd

01:23:33.100 be

01:23:33.300 department

01:23:33.940 home

01:23:34.340 security

01:23:34.720 so

01:23:36.300 we're

01:23:37.220 not

01:23:37.620 accepting

01:23:38.820 people

01:23:39.460 from

01:23:39.940 immigration

01:23:40.480 eyes

01:23:40.980 agents

01:23:41.480 DHS

01:23:42.500 into

01:23:43.400 our

01:23:43.620 property

01:23:44.000 it's

01:23:44.680 just

01:23:44.880 the

01:23:45.080 part

01:23:45.360 management

01:23:45.760 ownership

01:23:46.620 okay

01:23:47.440 I thought

01:23:47.680 that

01:23:47.840 changed

01:23:48.180 today

01:23:48.500 was

01:23:49.040 that

01:23:49.180 I

01:23:49.760 just

01:23:49.980 talked

01:23:50.300 to

01:23:50.460 my

01:23:51.280 the

01:23:53.200 owner

01:23:53.440 of

01:23:53.600 the

01:23:53.700 building

01:23:53.960 and

01:23:54.660 he

01:23:55.500 didn't

01:23:55.720 say

01:23:55.880 there

01:23:56.020 has

01:23:56.220 been

01:23:56.340 any

01:23:56.540 changes

01:23:56.980 they

01:23:58.220 lied

01:23:58.580 Hilton

01:23:59.540 and

01:24:01.200 in the

01:24:01.700 Hampton Inn

01:24:02.100 out here

01:24:02.360 in Ever Peak

01:24:02.960 Hospitality

01:24:03.680 lied

01:24:04.260 full of

01:24:06.040 shit

01:24:06.340 they almost

01:24:07.280 got a

01:24:07.740 little bit

01:24:08.460 of a

01:24:08.660 pass

01:24:09.140 the first

01:24:10.440 time

01:24:10.860 right

01:24:11.140 you thought

01:24:11.540 they may

01:24:11.840 have learned

01:24:12.140 their lesson

01:24:12.600 and this

01:24:12.880 is why

01:24:13.220 I said

01:24:13.720 that

01:24:14.060 their

01:24:14.800 talk

01:24:15.340 is

01:24:15.840 it

01:24:16.180 means

01:24:16.380 nothing

01:24:16.780 you know

01:24:17.440 people were

01:24:17.760 saying

01:24:18.020 oh

01:24:18.180 well

01:24:18.320 no

01:24:18.440 they

01:24:18.600 said

01:24:18.800 that

01:24:18.920 they're

01:24:19.040 going

01:24:19.120 to

01:24:19.180 change

01:24:19.380 their

01:24:19.540 policy

01:24:19.940 they

01:24:20.860 lied

01:24:21.260 they

01:24:21.940 didn't

01:24:22.200 do

01:24:22.380 it

01:24:22.560 they

01:24:23.340 didn't

01:24:23.580 do

01:24:23.760 it

01:24:24.440 so

01:24:24.860 they're

01:24:26.800 now

01:24:26.960 going

01:24:27.100 to

01:24:27.160 get

01:24:27.300 butt

01:24:27.500 lighted

01:24:27.860 congratulations

01:24:28.640 Hilton

01:24:29.060 yeah

01:24:30.640 the

01:24:31.300 the

01:24:31.540 name

01:24:31.740 of

01:24:31.820 the

01:24:31.920 property

01:24:32.220 was

01:24:32.420 Hampton

01:24:32.740 Inn

01:24:32.880 which

01:24:33.060 was

01:24:33.200 owned

01:24:33.360 by

01:24:33.520 Hilton

01:24:33.960 but

01:24:34.540 it's

01:24:34.740 this

01:24:34.900 particular

01:24:35.340 outlet

01:24:36.320 is

01:24:37.000 owned

01:24:37.280 by

01:24:37.420 a

01:24:37.540 group

01:24:37.680 called

01:24:37.960 Ever Peak

01:24:39.520 that

01:24:40.760 was

01:24:41.260 used

01:24:41.480 to

01:24:41.620 purchase

01:24:41.860 this

01:24:42.080 hotel

01:24:42.300 it's

01:24:42.500 owned

01:24:42.660 by

01:24:42.820 four

01:24:43.280 partners

01:24:44.080 Parmeet

01:24:44.720 Singh

01:24:45.120 Amanpreet

01:24:46.800 Hyundai

01:24:47.480 Karandeep

01:24:49.320 Nagra

01:24:50.000 and

01:24:50.420 Mohinderji

01:24:51.920 Kaur

01:24:52.460 according to

01:24:53.460 public records

01:24:54.000 filed

01:24:54.280 last

01:24:54.540 June

01:24:54.840 with the

01:24:55.240 Minnesota

01:24:55.500 Secretary

01:24:55.960 of

01:24:56.260 State

01:24:56.560 now

01:24:57.380 Hilton

01:24:58.420 Corporate

01:24:59.480 has

01:25:00.480 responded

01:25:01.020 to

01:25:01.440 Nick's

01:25:01.780 video

01:25:02.300 saying

01:25:03.460 hold on

01:25:03.880 a second

01:25:04.100 teeny

01:25:04.620 tiny

01:25:04.960 type

01:25:05.720 saying

01:25:06.420 Rich

01:25:06.780 the

01:25:07.700 independent

01:25:08.040 hotel

01:25:08.400 owner

01:25:08.680 had

01:25:08.860 assured

01:25:09.140 us

01:25:09.340 that

01:25:09.480 they'd

01:25:09.660 fixed

01:25:09.840 the

01:25:09.980 problem

01:25:10.300 and

01:25:10.480 published

01:25:10.720 a

01:25:10.860 message

01:25:11.100 confirming

01:25:11.580 this

01:25:11.940 a

01:25:12.620 recent

01:25:12.860 video

01:25:13.140 clearly

01:25:13.420 raises

01:25:13.720 concerns

01:25:14.160 that

01:25:14.340 they're

01:25:14.440 not

01:25:14.640 meeting

01:25:14.820 our

01:25:14.980 standards

01:25:15.340 and

01:25:15.540 values

01:25:15.800 as

01:25:16.060 such

01:25:16.300 we

01:25:16.440 are

01:25:16.520 taking

01:25:16.740 immediate

01:25:17.100 action

01:25:17.500 to

01:25:18.120 remove

01:25:18.520 this

01:25:18.800 hotel

01:25:19.240 from

01:25:19.520 our

01:25:19.680 systems

01:25:20.320 Hilton

01:25:21.120 is

01:25:21.480 and has

01:25:22.160 always

01:25:22.320 been a

01:25:22.560 welcoming

01:25:22.760 place

01:25:23.060 for

01:25:23.180 all

01:25:23.400 we're

01:25:23.560 also

01:25:23.800 engaging

01:25:24.100 with

01:25:24.280 all

01:25:24.440 of

01:25:24.520 our

01:25:24.600 franchisees

01:25:25.360 to

01:25:25.540 reinforce

01:25:25.800 the

01:25:26.080 standards

01:25:26.440 we hold

01:25:27.060 them to

01:25:27.460 across

01:25:27.740 our

01:25:27.900 system

01:25:28.180 to help

01:25:28.760 ensure

01:25:28.980 that this

01:25:29.400 does not

01:25:29.700 happen

01:25:29.920 again

01:25:30.180 so

01:25:30.900 hurrah

01:25:31.360 because

01:25:32.200 ultimately

01:25:33.280 sounds like

01:25:33.980 Hilton

01:25:34.280 is doing

01:25:35.560 the right

01:25:35.880 thing

01:25:36.200 this

01:25:36.620 particular

01:25:37.240 hotel

01:25:37.620 was

01:25:37.940 humiliated

01:25:38.760 and

01:25:39.560 the

01:25:39.980 Nick

01:25:40.200 Shirley

01:25:40.540 video

01:25:41.040 on the

01:25:41.520 daycares

01:25:42.000 in

01:25:42.200 Minneapolis

01:25:42.660 I

01:25:43.400 think

01:25:43.660 has

01:25:43.860 unleashed

01:25:44.540 an

01:25:45.460 inspo

01:25:46.060 amongst

01:25:46.660 many

01:25:47.040 independent

01:25:47.520 journalists

01:25:47.980 like

01:25:48.320 Nick

01:25:48.640 Sorter

01:25:49.160 Rich

01:25:49.760 to

01:25:50.440 go

01:25:50.680 out

01:25:51.040 and

01:25:51.260 just

01:25:51.480 do

01:25:51.940 what

01:25:52.320 the

01:25:52.540 Minneapolis

01:25:53.140 Star

01:25:53.640 Tribune

01:25:54.300 will

01:25:54.720 not

01:25:55.060 yeah

01:25:56.180 so

01:25:56.660 first

01:25:56.860 of

01:25:56.960 all

01:25:57.020 if

01:25:57.140 you're

01:25:57.280 Hilton

01:25:57.520 you think

01:25:57.980 you'd

01:25:58.160 just be

01:25:58.460 glad

01:25:58.700 that

01:25:58.860 anyone

01:25:59.080 wants

01:25:59.300 to

01:25:59.460 come

01:25:59.600 to

01:25:59.720 Minnesota

01:26:00.000 in

01:26:00.260 January

01:26:00.660 right

01:26:01.180 but

01:26:01.920 clearly

01:26:04.240 this

01:26:04.480 is

01:26:04.620 an

01:26:04.840 out

01:26:05.020 of

01:26:05.120 control

01:26:05.480 franchisee

01:26:06.500 who's

01:26:07.200 trashing

01:26:07.860 the

01:26:08.100 brand

01:26:08.520 of

01:26:08.660 the

01:26:08.760 entire

01:26:09.080 business

01:26:09.520 the

01:26:09.760 Bud

01:26:09.940 Light

01:26:10.160 reference

01:26:10.580 from

01:26:10.800 Nick

01:26:11.000 there

01:26:11.320 is

01:26:11.620 well

01:26:12.100 taken

01:26:12.500 and

01:26:13.080 the

01:26:13.520 Hilton

01:26:13.760 brass

01:26:14.080 apparently

01:26:14.440 is

01:26:14.680 aware

01:26:15.360 of it

01:26:15.620 or

01:26:15.900 actually

01:26:16.280 just

01:26:16.520 doesn't

01:26:16.860 hate

01:26:17.180 federal

01:26:17.940 law

01:26:18.240 enforcement

01:26:18.640 so

01:26:19.040 hats

01:26:19.420 off

01:26:19.640 to

01:26:19.760 them

01:26:20.240 to

01:26:20.400 doing

01:26:20.720 the

01:26:20.860 right

01:26:21.020 thing

01:26:21.220 but

01:26:21.380 you're

01:26:21.560 right

01:26:21.740 I

01:26:21.880 think

01:26:22.060 the

01:26:22.300 Nick

01:26:23.380 Shirley

01:26:23.660 example

01:26:24.280 is

01:26:25.140 empowering

01:26:25.780 and

01:26:26.000 catalyzing

01:26:26.560 a lot

01:26:27.140 of

01:26:27.280 this

01:26:27.620 and

01:26:28.440 I

01:26:29.180 think

01:26:29.340 we'll

01:26:29.440 see

01:26:29.600 more

01:26:29.880 of

01:26:30.000 it

01:26:30.080 in

01:26:30.200 other

01:26:30.460 states

01:26:30.880 because

01:26:31.080 we

01:26:31.200 need

01:26:31.320 to

01:26:31.460 kick

01:26:31.620 the

01:26:31.800 tires

01:26:32.200 of

01:26:32.760 every

01:26:33.080 single

01:26:33.380 welfare

01:26:33.760 state

01:26:34.320 program

01:26:34.980 in

01:26:35.240 every

01:26:35.520 state

01:26:35.860 in

01:26:36.080 America

01:26:36.540 and

01:26:37.320 if

01:26:37.520 mainstream

01:26:38.040 so-called

01:26:38.580 legacy

01:26:38.880 outlets

01:26:39.280 aren't

01:26:39.460 going

01:26:45.620 errors

01:26:46.020 in

01:26:46.180 the

01:26:46.280 initial

01:26:46.540 reporting

01:26:47.020 like

01:26:47.900 what

01:26:48.060 Nick

01:26:48.260 Shirley

01:26:48.520 did

01:26:48.920 which

01:26:49.840 was

01:26:49.980 seen

01:26:50.180 over

01:26:50.360 150

01:26:50.840 million

01:26:51.380 times

01:26:51.920 his

01:26:52.120 video

01:26:52.460 which

01:26:52.780 is

01:26:52.880 43

01:26:53.220 minutes

01:26:53.580 long

01:26:53.940 it's

01:26:55.000 of

01:26:55.360 value

01:26:55.720 because

01:26:56.020 it

01:26:56.300 insisted

01:26:57.020 that

01:26:57.700 other

01:26:57.880 reporters

01:26:58.280 get

01:26:58.500 there

01:26:58.720 it

01:26:59.060 made

01:26:59.860 it

01:27:02.160 impossible

01:27:02.720 to

01:27:03.120 ignore

01:27:03.520 and

01:27:04.420 that

01:27:04.660 was

01:27:04.920 a

01:27:05.120 deep

01:27:05.760 deep

01:27:05.980 public

01:27:06.260 service

01:27:06.720 rich

01:27:07.220 lowry

01:27:07.600 as

01:27:08.000 are

01:27:08.140 you

01:27:08.400 thank

01:27:08.920 you

01:27:09.100 sir

01:27:09.360 great

01:27:09.620 to

01:27:09.780 see

01:27:09.940 you

01:27:10.060 thanks

01:27:10.260 for

01:27:10.420 being

01:27:10.540 here

01:27:10.800 happy

01:27:11.160 new

01:27:11.340 year

01:27:11.520 talk

01:27:11.800 soon

01:27:12.020 you

01:27:12.600 too

01:27:12.860 all

01:27:13.440 a

01:27:17.100 clarinetist

01:27:17.900 with

01:27:18.420 a

01:27:18.580 story

01:27:18.920 you

01:27:19.380 have

01:27:19.620 to

01:27:19.720 hear

01:27:19.920 do

01:27:20.320 not

01:27:20.520 go

01:27:20.660 away

01:27:20.940 the

01:27:22.200 new

01:27:22.340 year

01:27:22.500 hits

01:27:22.800 and

01:27:23.140 suddenly

01:27:23.540 you

01:27:23.880 might

01:27:24.100 want

01:27:24.400 new

01:27:24.840 everything

01:27:25.520 including

01:27:26.180 a

01:27:26.640 new

01:27:26.780 wardrobe

01:27:27.300 does

01:27:27.900 that

01:27:28.080 resonate

01:27:28.400 ladies

01:27:28.840 well

01:27:29.180 our

01:27:29.560 sponsor

01:27:30.120 daily

01:27:30.660 look

01:27:31.100 makes

01:27:31.700 that

01:27:31.880 wardrobe

01:27:32.280 upgrade

01:27:32.920 way

01:27:33.360 too

01:27:33.580 easy

01:27:33.940 daily

01:27:34.700 look

01:27:34.960 is

01:27:35.080 the

01:27:35.200 number

01:27:35.360 one

01:27:35.540 rated

01:27:35.800 premium

01:27:36.260 personal

01:27:36.800 styling

01:27:37.220 service

01:27:37.600 for

01:27:37.840 women

01:27:38.100 with

01:27:38.740 daily

01:27:39.040 look

01:27:39.300 you

01:27:39.540 get

01:27:39.720 your

01:27:39.840 own

01:27:40.020 dedicated

01:27:40.380 personal

01:27:40.820 stylist

01:27:41.200 to

01:27:41.440 curate

01:27:41.900 a box

01:27:42.340 of

01:27:42.480 clothes

01:27:42.940 based

01:27:43.560 on

01:27:43.720 your

01:27:43.840 body

01:27:44.220 shape

01:27:44.520 preferences

01:27:44.980 and

01:27:45.260 lifestyle

01:27:45.720 this

01:27:46.340 is

01:27:46.460 not

01:27:46.620 an

01:27:46.820 algorithm

01:27:47.360 this

01:27:47.940 is

01:27:48.060 a

01:27:48.200 real

01:27:48.500 personal

01:27:48.920 stylist

01:27:49.340 and

01:27:49.920 you

01:27:50.000 get

01:27:50.100 the

01:27:50.240 same

01:27:50.420 stylist

01:27:50.820 every

01:27:51.300 time

01:27:51.680 and

01:27:52.360 when

01:27:52.540 you

01:27:52.640 head

01:27:52.780 over

01:27:52.940 to

01:27:53.100 daily

01:27:53.340 look

01:27:53.560 dot

01:27:53.760 com

01:27:54.120 you

01:27:54.580 can

01:27:54.740 use

01:27:55.040 the

01:27:55.200 code

01:27:55.360 Megan

01:27:55.720 to

01:27:55.900 get

01:27:56.060 50%

01:27:57.100 off

01:27:57.460 your

01:27:57.600 first

01:27:57.840 order

01:27:58.160 that's

01:27:58.780 50%

01:27:59.500 off

01:27:59.860 with

01:28:00.000 my

01:28:00.180 code

01:28:00.480 Megan

01:28:00.980 just

01:28:01.680 fill

01:28:01.900 out

01:28:02.040 their

01:28:02.200 style

01:28:02.540 quiz

01:28:02.980 and

01:28:03.540 receive

01:28:03.840 up

01:28:04.000 to

01:28:04.140 12

01:28:04.640 hand

01:28:05.180 selected

01:28:05.540 items

01:28:05.920 delivered

01:28:06.280 to

01:28:12.940 take

01:28:13.480 your

01:28:13.640 style

01:28:13.940 quiz

01:28:14.280 and

01:28:14.480 use

01:28:14.720 the

01:28:14.860 code

01:28:15.020 Megan

01:28:15.260 for

01:28:15.480 50%

01:28:16.240 off

01:28:16.500 your

01:28:16.620 first

01:28:16.820 order

01:28:17.060 that's

01:28:17.640 daily

01:28:17.880 look

01:28:18.120 dot com

01:28:18.540 for

01:28:18.720 50%

01:28:19.540 off

01:28:19.900 and

01:28:20.340 make

01:28:20.520 sure

01:28:20.680 you

01:28:20.840 use

01:28:21.020 my

01:28:21.180 promo

01:28:21.400 code

01:28:21.640 Megan

01:28:21.920 so

01:28:22.140 they

01:28:22.300 know

01:28:22.600 we

01:28:22.960 sent

01:28:23.300 you

01:28:23.480 my

01:28:27.540 next

01:28:27.820 guest

01:28:28.080 is

01:28:28.300 making

01:28:28.620 major

01:28:29.120 headlines

01:28:29.480 right

01:28:29.700 now

01:28:29.940 after

01:28:30.180 filing

01:28:30.620 a

01:28:31.000 lawsuit

01:28:31.520 against

01:28:32.320 the

01:28:32.560 Knoxville

01:28:33.300 Symphony

01:28:34.000 in

01:28:34.340 Tennessee

01:28:34.740 claiming

01:28:35.620 that

01:28:35.880 despite

01:28:36.220 winning

01:28:37.040 a

01:28:37.480 blind

01:28:37.940 audition

01:28:38.460 in

01:28:38.920 which

01:28:39.060 they

01:28:39.220 cannot

01:28:39.540 see

01:28:39.860 who

01:28:40.060 is

01:28:40.200 trying

01:28:40.480 out

01:28:40.700 they

01:28:40.840 can

01:28:40.980 only

01:28:41.160 hear

01:28:41.520 the

01:28:41.700 music

01:28:41.940 being

01:28:42.180 played

01:28:42.520 they

01:28:43.320 refused

01:28:44.020 then

01:28:44.340 to

01:28:44.540 hire

01:28:44.860 him

01:28:45.280 once

01:28:45.760 they

01:28:45.920 realized

01:28:46.340 who

01:28:46.520 he

01:28:46.660 was

01:28:47.040 over

01:28:47.340 his

01:28:47.560 past

01:28:48.040 opposition

01:28:48.740 to

01:28:49.720 DEI

01:28:50.940 policies

01:28:51.740 at a

01:28:52.100 different

01:28:52.300 orchestra

01:28:52.720 a

01:28:53.400 blind

01:28:53.620 audition

01:28:53.900 is

01:28:54.060 when

01:28:54.200 a

01:28:54.300 musician

01:28:54.560 plays

01:28:54.860 for

01:28:54.980 a

01:28:55.100 panel

01:28:55.260 of

01:28:55.420 judges

01:28:55.620 behind

01:28:55.880 a

01:28:56.040 curtain

01:28:56.220 to

01:28:56.480 prevent

01:28:56.880 any

01:28:57.140 bias

01:28:57.560 in

01:28:58.040 the

01:28:58.140 selection

01:28:58.460 it's

01:28:59.160 supposed

01:28:59.380 to

01:28:59.580 mean

01:28:59.720 that

01:28:59.880 someone

01:29:00.060 will

01:29:00.260 get

01:29:00.440 the

01:29:00.580 spot

01:29:00.820 strictly

01:29:01.220 based

01:29:01.540 on

01:29:01.740 merit

01:29:02.060 James

01:29:03.140 Zimmerman

01:29:03.820 started

01:29:04.460 playing

01:29:04.740 the

01:29:04.900 clarinet

01:29:05.160 in

01:29:05.400 1991

01:29:06.460 and

01:29:07.400 then

01:29:07.600 professionally

01:29:08.240 in

01:29:08.880 1997

01:29:09.480 for

01:29:10.420 over

01:29:10.640 12

01:29:11.000 years

01:29:11.320 James

01:29:11.640 was

01:29:11.920 the

01:29:12.160 principal

01:29:12.760 clarinet

01:29:13.680 of

01:29:14.480 the

01:29:14.640 Nashville

01:29:15.120 Symphony

01:29:15.820 he

01:29:16.340 played

01:29:16.660 principal

01:29:17.020 clarinet

01:29:17.380 for

01:29:17.760 the

01:29:17.880 Nashville

01:29:18.120 Symphony

01:29:18.480 his

01:29:19.040 work

01:29:19.260 has

01:29:19.380 been

01:29:19.500 featured

01:29:19.860 in

01:29:20.400 commercials

01:29:20.780 and

01:29:21.060 video

01:29:21.300 game

01:29:21.600 soundtracks

01:29:22.220 and

01:29:22.380 movies

01:29:22.760 he

01:29:23.460 also

01:29:23.680 happened

01:29:23.880 to

01:29:23.980 perform

01:29:24.240 at

01:29:24.420 President

01:29:24.720 Barack

01:29:25.020 Obama's

01:29:25.500 second

01:29:25.780 presidential

01:29:26.420 inauguration

01:29:27.060 here's

01:29:27.340 a sample

01:29:27.780 of

01:29:28.360 James'

01:29:28.580 talent

01:29:29.000 it was

01:29:56.340 beautiful

01:29:56.720 reminds me

01:29:57.880 of myself

01:29:58.340 back in

01:29:58.960 1980

01:29:59.440 when I

01:30:00.200 was

01:30:00.300 first

01:30:00.540 chair

01:30:00.880 at

01:30:01.660 the

01:30:01.940 Bethlehem

01:30:02.820 Central

01:30:03.520 Elementary

01:30:04.520 School

01:30:04.900 nailed it

01:30:06.360 my one

01:30:07.160 advantage

01:30:07.440 was my

01:30:07.900 earlier

01:30:08.200 school

01:30:08.580 where I

01:30:08.960 had

01:30:09.020 gone

01:30:09.160 in

01:30:09.320 Syracuse

01:30:09.680 allowed

01:30:10.140 the

01:30:10.300 clarinet

01:30:10.640 allowed

01:30:10.980 you

01:30:11.140 to

01:30:11.240 join

01:30:11.500 band

01:30:11.820 in

01:30:11.960 fourth

01:30:12.120 grade

01:30:12.340 so

01:30:12.500 I

01:30:12.700 came

01:30:12.980 and

01:30:13.380 I

01:30:13.460 was

01:30:13.560 ahead

01:30:13.820 of

01:30:13.940 everybody

01:30:14.240 else

01:30:14.520 who

01:30:14.600 had

01:30:14.700 never

01:30:14.840 played

01:30:15.020 before

01:30:15.240 and

01:30:15.340 that's

01:30:15.500 how

01:30:15.580 I

01:30:15.660 became

01:30:15.860 first

01:30:16.080 chair

01:30:16.300 which

01:30:16.860 lasted

01:30:17.200 for

01:30:17.380 exactly

01:30:17.700 a

01:30:17.940 year

01:30:18.220 until

01:30:18.760 the

01:30:18.940 others

01:30:19.220 caught

01:30:19.560 up

01:30:19.880 just

01:30:20.680 I

01:30:20.920 mean

01:30:21.020 it's

01:30:28.960 began

01:30:29.160 to

01:30:29.340 oppose

01:30:29.780 DEI

01:30:30.460 measures

01:30:30.940 at

01:30:31.600 the

01:30:31.780 Nashville

01:30:32.200 Symphony

01:30:32.880 which

01:30:33.580 were

01:30:33.700 becoming

01:30:34.020 more

01:30:34.280 and more

01:30:34.520 common

01:30:34.920 in the

01:30:35.380 music

01:30:35.620 world

01:30:35.980 his

01:30:36.920 story

01:30:37.160 is

01:30:37.300 complicated

01:30:37.780 he

01:30:38.360 didn't

01:30:38.600 just

01:30:38.800 oppose

01:30:39.100 a

01:30:39.240 DEI

01:30:39.660 initiative

01:30:40.080 and

01:30:40.260 call

01:30:40.420 it

01:30:40.520 a

01:30:40.640 day

01:30:40.840 it

01:30:41.020 happened

01:30:41.260 over

01:30:41.440 months

01:30:41.880 and

01:30:42.400 at

01:30:42.500 one

01:30:42.700 point

01:30:42.920 he

01:30:43.080 admits

01:30:43.460 it

01:30:43.720 nearly

01:30:43.980 drove

01:30:44.300 him

01:30:44.720 mad

01:30:45.260 as

01:30:45.640 DEI

01:30:46.080 policies

01:30:46.500 can

01:30:46.740 do

01:30:47.000 James

01:30:47.680 is

01:30:47.820 here

01:30:47.940 now

01:30:48.100 to

01:30:48.240 explain

01:30:48.560 his

01:30:48.760 story

01:30:49.080 his

01:30:49.360 lawsuit

01:30:49.900 that

01:30:50.120 he's

01:30:50.240 just

01:30:50.400 filed

01:30:50.720 and

01:30:51.360 why

01:30:51.500 the

01:30:51.640 Trump

01:30:51.820 administration

01:30:52.320 may

01:30:52.660 be

01:30:52.800 getting

01:30:53.120 involved

01:30:53.800 next

01:30:55.200 James

01:30:56.120 welcome

01:30:56.480 to

01:30:56.640 the

01:30:56.740 show

01:30:56.980 hey

01:30:58.820 Megan

01:30:59.020 thanks

01:30:59.240 for

01:30:59.380 having

01:30:59.580 me

01:30:59.780 yeah

01:31:00.640 it's

01:31:00.800 great

01:31:00.960 to

01:31:01.080 see

01:31:01.220 you

01:31:01.380 and

01:31:01.580 congrats

01:31:02.060 on

01:31:02.480 achieving

01:31:02.980 so

01:31:03.220 much

01:31:03.420 and

01:31:03.540 on

01:31:03.680 your

01:31:03.800 natural

01:31:04.460 talent

01:31:04.800 it

01:31:04.960 was

01:31:05.100 very

01:31:05.520 impressive

01:31:05.880 to

01:31:06.640 listen

01:31:06.860 to

01:31:07.020 so

01:31:07.260 let's

01:31:08.580 start

01:31:08.880 back

01:31:09.140 so

01:31:09.300 what

01:31:09.460 happened

01:31:09.720 was

01:31:09.960 I

01:31:10.640 guess

01:31:10.780 we'll

01:31:10.900 start

01:31:11.080 with

01:31:11.200 the

01:31:11.300 current

01:31:11.480 controversy

01:31:11.980 you

01:31:12.980 go

01:31:13.200 to

01:31:13.400 the

01:31:13.560 Knoxville

01:31:14.100 blind

01:31:14.700 audition

01:31:15.080 and

01:31:16.020 you're

01:31:20.240 see

01:31:20.400 that

01:31:20.540 it's

01:31:20.720 you

01:31:20.980 and

01:31:21.420 you

01:31:21.780 are

01:31:22.060 the

01:31:22.200 best

01:31:22.520 right

01:31:22.860 that

01:31:23.060 like

01:31:23.240 they

01:31:23.680 told

01:31:23.940 you

01:31:24.200 it's

01:31:25.440 yours

01:31:25.660 like

01:31:25.920 before

01:31:26.320 they

01:31:26.500 actually

01:31:26.780 had

01:31:26.940 like

01:31:27.200 revoked

01:31:28.660 it

01:31:28.800 or

01:31:28.900 done

01:31:29.080 any

01:31:29.240 investigation

01:31:29.620 on

01:31:30.000 you

01:31:30.100 they

01:31:30.240 were

01:31:30.340 like

01:31:30.520 you

01:31:30.660 you

01:31:30.900 were

01:31:30.980 the

01:31:31.100 winner

01:31:31.260 you're

01:31:31.500 the

01:31:31.820 best

01:31:32.080 that's

01:31:33.440 right

01:31:33.640 so

01:31:34.160 the

01:31:34.620 blind

01:31:34.920 audition

01:31:35.220 was

01:31:35.480 a

01:31:35.600 two

01:31:35.760 day

01:31:35.900 long

01:31:36.140 process

01:31:36.700 that

01:31:37.260 started

01:31:37.800 on a

01:31:38.040 Monday

01:31:38.200 morning

01:31:38.540 they

01:31:38.700 listen

01:31:38.940 to

01:31:39.120 people

01:31:39.420 one

01:31:40.180 after

01:31:40.440 another

01:31:40.860 all

01:31:41.500 day

01:31:41.680 long

01:31:41.980 and

01:31:42.940 they

01:31:43.260 keep

01:31:50.240 round

01:31:50.700 the

01:31:50.960 morning

01:31:51.280 of

01:31:51.620 Tuesday

01:31:52.520 the

01:31:52.800 16th

01:31:53.240 of

01:31:53.340 September

01:31:53.760 they

01:31:54.380 put

01:31:54.540 me

01:31:54.660 into

01:31:54.800 the

01:31:54.980 finals

01:31:55.300 that

01:31:55.520 afternoon

01:31:56.020 and

01:31:56.780 after

01:31:57.720 the

01:31:57.880 final

01:31:58.140 round

01:31:58.420 they

01:31:58.580 declared

01:31:58.920 me

01:31:59.060 the

01:31:59.200 winner

01:31:59.420 came

01:32:00.260 to

01:32:00.380 my

01:32:00.540 dressing

01:32:00.820 room

01:32:01.040 and

01:32:01.200 said

01:32:01.360 we'd

01:32:01.560 love

01:32:01.640 to

01:32:01.740 have

01:32:01.860 you

01:32:01.940 on

01:32:02.040 the

01:32:02.160 payroll

01:32:02.460 in

01:32:02.660 two

01:32:02.800 weeks

01:32:03.100 we'll

01:32:03.340 call

01:32:03.580 you

01:32:03.680 tomorrow

01:32:03.980 and

01:32:04.980 I

01:32:05.320 guess

01:32:05.640 instead

01:32:06.280 of

01:32:06.440 calling

01:32:06.660 me

01:32:06.780 the

01:32:06.880 next

01:32:07.080 day

01:32:07.280 they

01:32:07.520 dug

01:32:07.920 into

01:32:08.180 my

01:32:08.460 sordid

01:32:08.940 history

01:32:09.380 and

01:32:09.740 found

01:32:10.060 enough

01:32:10.340 reasons

01:32:10.660 not

01:32:10.860 to

01:32:11.020 hire

01:32:11.200 me

01:32:11.400 and

01:32:11.920 Rachel

01:32:12.220 Ford

01:32:12.500 their

01:32:12.700 CEO

01:32:13.020 called

01:32:13.360 me

01:32:13.480 and

01:32:13.600 said

01:32:13.780 thanks

01:32:14.500 but

01:32:14.660 no

01:32:14.800 thanks

01:32:15.140 and

01:32:15.340 we're

01:32:15.460 not

01:32:15.560 going

01:32:15.660 to

01:32:15.720 talk

01:32:15.880 to

01:32:15.980 you

01:32:16.040 about

01:32:16.200 any

01:32:16.340 of

01:32:16.460 this

01:32:16.600 so

01:32:16.780 good

01:32:17.000 luck

01:32:17.180 to

01:32:17.320 you

01:32:17.500 and

01:32:18.700 it

01:32:18.780 was

01:32:18.900 clearly

01:32:19.180 based

01:32:19.560 on

01:32:19.760 your

01:32:19.940 experience

01:32:20.620 with

01:32:21.020 the

01:32:21.280 Nashville

01:32:21.680 symphony

01:32:22.540 back

01:32:23.340 in

01:32:23.460 2019

01:32:23.920 that's

01:32:25.860 right

01:32:26.060 that's

01:32:26.440 what

01:32:26.560 the

01:32:26.700 email

01:32:26.980 says

01:32:27.440 it

01:32:27.620 says

01:32:27.820 a

01:32:28.100 number

01:32:28.740 of

01:32:28.940 items

01:32:29.300 have

01:32:29.660 come

01:32:30.340 to

01:32:30.580 our

01:32:30.820 attention

01:32:31.320 regarding

01:32:31.980 your

01:32:32.200 employment

01:32:32.540 in

01:32:32.700 the

01:32:32.780 Nashville

01:32:33.040 symphony

01:32:33.460 which

01:32:33.860 there

01:32:34.640 are

01:32:34.860 some

01:32:35.240 stinkers

01:32:36.540 in

01:32:36.700 there

01:32:36.880 but

01:32:37.060 there's

01:32:37.280 a lot

01:32:37.560 of

01:32:37.680 advocacy

01:32:38.100 that

01:32:38.360 I

01:32:38.460 did

01:32:38.620 on

01:32:38.740 behalf

01:32:39.060 of

01:32:39.180 my

01:32:39.320 black

01:32:39.560 colleagues

01:32:40.040 and

01:32:40.340 for

01:32:40.760 the

01:32:40.960 process

01:32:41.400 of

01:32:41.720 blind

01:32:42.460 auditions

01:32:42.920 so

01:32:43.260 like

01:32:43.660 you

01:32:43.800 said

01:32:43.980 it's

01:32:44.240 complicated

01:32:44.780 but

01:32:45.260 people

01:32:45.840 love

01:32:46.280 to

01:32:46.660 zero

01:32:47.380 in

01:32:47.560 on

01:32:47.660 your

01:32:47.780 worst

01:32:48.080 moments

01:32:48.500 in

01:32:48.740 times

01:32:49.060 like

01:32:49.220 this

01:32:49.560 but

01:32:50.760 what

01:32:50.960 the

01:32:51.440 2019

01:32:52.220 incident

01:32:53.200 at

01:32:53.500 the

01:32:53.680 Nashville

01:32:54.100 symphony

01:32:54.760 seems

01:32:56.140 to boil

01:32:56.620 down

01:32:57.040 to

01:32:57.360 is

01:32:58.280 you

01:32:58.960 tell

01:32:59.120 me

01:32:59.220 if

01:32:59.320 I've

01:32:59.420 got

01:32:59.520 it

01:32:59.640 right

01:32:59.840 you

01:33:00.560 stood

01:33:01.240 up

01:33:01.680 for

01:33:02.240 a

01:33:02.420 black

01:33:02.820 oboe

01:33:03.400 player

01:33:03.840 who

01:33:04.660 was

01:33:04.940 potentially

01:33:05.460 about

01:33:05.820 to

01:33:06.020 get

01:33:06.160 the

01:33:06.380 shaft

01:33:06.800 you

01:33:07.380 stood

01:33:07.580 up

01:33:07.760 for

01:33:07.900 him

01:33:08.140 then

01:33:09.260 the

01:33:09.640 person

01:33:09.880 running

01:33:10.120 that

01:33:10.360 symphony

01:33:10.760 kind

01:33:11.560 of

01:33:11.700 over

01:33:12.060 compensated

01:33:12.840 and

01:33:13.900 started

01:33:14.420 bending

01:33:15.080 over

01:33:15.300 backwards

01:33:15.680 for

01:33:16.360 this

01:33:16.760 black

01:33:17.200 oboe

01:33:17.620 player

01:33:18.040 you

01:33:18.860 started

01:33:19.200 getting

01:33:19.640 the

01:33:20.320 short

01:33:20.640 end

01:33:20.920 of

01:33:21.240 this

01:33:21.400 relationship

01:33:21.900 and

01:33:22.920 ultimately

01:33:23.520 you

01:33:24.480 and he

01:33:24.840 when you

01:33:25.220 clashed

01:33:25.880 they

01:33:26.740 took

01:33:27.000 his

01:33:27.240 side

01:33:27.680 they

01:33:28.440 didn't

01:33:28.800 recognize

01:33:29.360 any

01:33:29.700 of his

01:33:30.180 bad

01:33:30.500 behavior

01:33:30.940 toward

01:33:31.260 you

01:33:31.680 but

01:33:32.420 when

01:33:32.600 you

01:33:32.720 finally

01:33:33.060 started

01:33:33.460 to

01:33:33.660 get

01:33:34.000 back

01:33:34.260 in

01:33:34.400 his

01:33:34.600 face

01:33:35.000 they

01:33:35.620 shamed

01:33:36.000 you

01:33:36.320 for

01:33:36.540 being

01:33:36.760 the

01:33:36.920 problem

01:33:37.340 and

01:33:37.840 you

01:33:38.000 got

01:33:38.180 booted

01:33:38.560 is

01:33:38.940 that

01:33:39.140 basically

01:33:39.780 it

01:33:40.020 that

01:33:40.960 is

01:33:41.140 exactly

01:33:41.580 accurate

01:33:42.200 Megan

01:33:42.540 what

01:33:43.420 happened

01:33:43.700 was

01:33:43.900 there

01:33:44.020 was

01:33:44.140 a

01:33:44.280 botched

01:33:44.600 blind

01:33:44.900 audition

01:33:45.280 for

01:33:45.680 a

01:33:45.820 black

01:33:46.060 oboist

01:33:46.500 who

01:33:46.700 had

01:33:46.840 been

01:33:47.000 playing

01:33:47.420 on

01:33:47.760 a

01:33:47.920 temporary

01:33:48.300 basis

01:33:48.800 in

01:33:49.040 the

01:33:49.140 orchestra

01:33:49.520 sometimes

01:33:50.160 when

01:33:50.520 an

01:33:50.640 orchestra

01:33:51.000 needs

01:33:51.360 to

01:33:51.580 fill

01:33:51.800 a

01:33:51.940 gap

01:33:52.260 and

01:33:52.900 doesn't

01:33:53.140 have

01:33:53.280 time

01:33:53.580 to

01:33:53.780 host

01:34:00.940 without

01:34:01.660 an

01:34:01.980 audition

01:34:02.340 based

01:34:02.900 on

01:34:03.080 his

01:34:03.240 qualifications

01:34:03.860 he

01:34:04.300 was

01:34:04.580 a

01:34:05.080 pretty

01:34:05.260 good

01:34:05.460 player

01:34:05.840 but

01:34:06.360 not

01:34:06.960 necessarily

01:34:07.540 up to

01:34:08.000 the

01:34:08.140 standards

01:34:08.500 of

01:34:08.700 everyone

01:34:08.920 else

01:34:09.240 but

01:34:09.440 I

01:34:09.680 took

01:34:10.060 him

01:34:10.160 under

01:34:10.280 my

01:34:10.460 wing

01:34:10.760 became

01:34:11.500 his

01:34:11.720 friend

01:34:12.000 I

01:34:12.180 coached

01:34:12.620 him

01:34:12.720 for

01:34:12.900 free

01:34:13.200 leading

01:34:13.480 up to

01:34:13.820 the

01:34:14.040 national

01:34:14.560 blind

01:34:14.900 audition

01:34:15.240 that he

01:34:15.560 had

01:34:15.740 to

01:34:15.920 win

01:34:16.200 to

01:34:16.900 become

01:34:17.360 our

01:34:17.620 permanent

01:34:18.040 principal

01:34:18.520 oboist

01:34:19.080 and

01:34:20.020 I

01:34:20.400 said

01:34:20.680 to

01:34:20.800 him

01:34:20.940 what

01:34:21.120 none

01:34:21.380 of

01:34:21.480 his

01:34:21.620 friends

01:34:21.860 had

01:34:22.000 ever

01:34:22.160 dared

01:34:22.440 to

01:34:22.620 say

01:34:22.800 which

01:34:23.020 is

01:34:23.260 look

01:34:23.500 man

01:34:30.940 for

01:34:31.060 your

01:34:31.200 shortcomings

01:34:31.720 but

01:34:32.080 I

01:34:32.280 believe

01:34:32.520 in

01:34:32.680 you

01:34:32.800 and

01:34:33.020 I

01:34:33.120 believe

01:34:33.320 you

01:34:33.420 can

01:34:33.560 win

01:34:33.740 this

01:34:33.960 thing

01:34:34.240 and

01:34:34.940 I'm

01:34:35.200 gunning

01:34:35.740 for

01:34:35.980 you

01:34:36.200 I

01:34:36.540 got

01:34:36.720 your

01:34:36.860 back

01:34:37.140 and

01:34:37.580 the

01:34:37.740 best

01:34:37.920 possible

01:34:38.280 outcome

01:34:38.560 here

01:34:38.840 is

01:34:39.320 that

01:34:39.440 you

01:34:39.600 win

01:34:39.880 and

01:34:40.580 we

01:34:40.780 have

01:34:40.940 the

01:34:41.080 first

01:34:41.400 principal

01:34:42.320 oboist

01:34:42.860 of

01:34:43.260 color

01:34:43.660 in

01:34:44.020 the

01:34:44.180 United

01:34:44.480 States

01:34:44.920 in

01:34:45.140 a

01:34:45.260 major

01:34:45.520 orchestra

01:34:45.900 and

01:34:46.740 that's

01:34:46.960 what

01:34:47.180 was

01:34:47.380 about

01:34:47.580 to

01:34:47.760 happen

01:34:48.080 in

01:34:48.420 his

01:34:48.580 blind

01:34:48.820 audition

01:34:49.120 he

01:34:49.300 was

01:34:49.420 the

01:34:49.540 last

01:34:49.760 man

01:34:49.980 standing

01:34:50.300 after

01:34:50.580 days

01:34:51.060 of

01:35:00.940 blind

01:35:01.200 audition

01:35:01.540 panel

01:35:01.920 said

01:35:02.180 oh

01:35:02.460 I

01:35:02.720 don't

01:35:02.880 want

01:35:03.060 to

01:35:03.140 play

01:35:03.280 with

01:35:03.440 this

01:35:03.600 guy

01:35:03.840 we're

01:35:04.120 what

01:35:05.000 do

01:35:05.080 we

01:35:05.180 do

01:35:05.420 and

01:35:06.060 the

01:35:06.660 conductor

01:35:06.980 says

01:35:07.240 all right

01:35:07.540 we're

01:35:07.800 going to

01:35:08.140 declare

01:35:08.520 this

01:35:08.760 a

01:35:08.920 no

01:35:09.120 win

01:35:09.380 situation

01:35:10.140 we're

01:35:10.900 going

01:35:10.980 to

01:35:11.100 send

01:35:11.340 him

01:35:11.580 home

01:35:11.900 and

01:35:12.160 we're

01:35:12.320 never

01:35:12.580 going

01:35:12.780 to

01:35:12.900 speak

01:35:13.140 of

01:35:13.300 this

01:35:13.480 again

01:35:13.800 and

01:35:14.320 I

01:35:14.440 said

01:35:14.660 over

01:35:15.120 my

01:35:15.400 dead

01:35:15.720 career

01:35:16.140 can

01:35:16.420 you

01:35:16.540 do

01:35:16.700 that

01:35:16.980 so

01:35:17.660 I

01:35:17.780 took

01:35:17.920 a

01:35:18.060 stand

01:35:18.300 against

01:35:18.640 the

01:35:19.080 conductor

01:35:19.580 and

01:35:20.280 all

01:35:20.540 of

01:35:20.660 my

01:35:20.840 colleagues

01:35:21.300 and

01:35:21.740 said

01:35:21.920 we

01:35:22.060 are

01:35:22.180 going

01:35:22.380 to

01:35:22.580 march

01:35:22.880 back

01:35:23.100 into

01:35:23.240 the

01:35:23.340 conductor's

01:35:23.780 office

01:35:23.980 and

01:35:24.220 tell

01:35:24.400 him

01:35:24.540 how

01:35:24.700 despicable

01:35:25.340 that

01:35:25.640 decision

01:35:26.060 was

01:35:26.420 and

01:35:26.780 we're

01:35:26.860 going

01:35:26.940 to

01:35:27.040 give

01:35:27.240 this

01:35:27.460 black

01:35:27.740 oboist

01:35:28.100 a

01:35:28.280 chance

01:35:28.520 to

01:35:28.720 prove

01:35:28.980 himself

01:35:29.400 and

01:35:30.360 we

01:35:30.520 did

01:35:30.720 that

01:35:31.020 he

01:35:31.440 crumbled

01:35:31.920 the

01:35:32.740 orchestra

01:35:33.820 management

01:35:34.320 hired

01:35:34.720 him

01:35:34.940 unilaterally

01:35:35.580 with

01:35:35.760 no

01:35:35.960 vote

01:35:36.240 of

01:35:36.440 his

01:35:36.600 colleagues

01:35:36.940 so

01:35:37.180 he

01:35:37.360 can

01:35:37.540 now

01:35:37.760 never

01:35:38.060 say

01:35:38.380 that

01:35:38.580 he

01:35:38.700 was

01:35:38.900 hired

01:35:39.240 based

01:35:40.000 on

01:35:40.220 our

01:35:40.500 qualifications

01:35:41.240 our

01:35:41.680 vote

01:35:42.000 he

01:35:42.580 was

01:35:42.780 stamped

01:35:43.160 a

01:35:43.320 DEI

01:35:43.740 hire

01:35:44.020 forever

01:35:44.380 and

01:35:44.860 when

01:35:45.000 I

01:35:45.140 protested

01:35:45.860 he

01:35:46.360 made

01:35:46.600 up

01:35:46.740 a

01:35:46.880 Jussie

01:35:47.140 Smollett

01:35:47.500 like

01:35:47.780 narrative

01:35:48.360 about

01:35:48.660 me

01:35:48.840 that

01:35:48.980 I

01:35:49.100 was

01:35:49.240 a

01:35:49.420 stalker

01:35:49.820 and

01:35:49.920 a

01:35:50.040 racist

01:35:50.320 and

01:35:50.580 a

01:35:50.720 nasty

01:35:51.000 person

01:35:51.460 and

01:35:51.620 a

01:35:51.720 white

01:35:51.880 supremacist

01:35:52.500 what

01:35:53.080 did

01:35:53.600 you

01:35:53.800 want

01:35:54.060 to

01:35:54.220 have

01:35:54.400 happen

01:35:54.720 what

01:35:54.940 because

01:35:55.640 when

01:35:56.440 like

01:35:57.000 I'm

01:35:57.280 with

01:35:57.440 you

01:35:57.560 on

01:35:57.660 the

01:35:57.740 story

01:35:57.960 you're

01:35:58.180 advocating

01:35:58.640 for

01:35:58.980 him

01:35:59.220 then

01:36:00.060 they

01:36:00.460 tried

01:36:00.700 to

01:36:00.860 stop

01:36:01.240 him

01:36:01.380 from

01:36:01.520 getting

01:36:01.700 the

01:36:01.880 job

01:36:02.340 even

01:36:02.620 though

01:36:02.740 it

01:36:02.840 was

01:36:02.860 a

01:36:02.920 blind

01:36:03.120 audition

01:36:03.460 because

01:36:03.660 they

01:36:03.760 found

01:36:03.980 out

01:36:04.160 it

01:36:04.240 was

01:36:04.380 him

01:36:04.640 and

01:36:05.820 you

01:36:05.980 were

01:36:06.100 like

01:36:06.280 that's

01:36:06.540 not

01:36:06.700 cool

01:36:06.980 that's

01:36:07.460 not

01:36:07.980 okay

01:36:08.360 but

01:36:09.000 then

01:36:09.220 what

01:36:09.420 did

01:36:09.560 they

01:36:09.720 do

01:36:09.920 they

01:36:10.100 gave

01:36:10.700 him

01:36:10.840 something

01:36:11.100 more

01:36:11.480 than

01:36:11.680 you

01:36:11.840 wanted

01:36:12.220 them

01:36:12.520 to

01:36:12.720 give

01:36:12.940 him

01:36:13.180 what

01:36:13.500 was

01:36:13.980 it

01:36:14.100 that

01:36:14.240 upset

01:36:14.520 you

01:36:14.780 on

01:36:15.000 the

01:36:15.140 permanent

01:36:15.720 hire

01:36:16.080 well

01:36:17.120 then

01:36:17.560 they

01:36:17.760 gave

01:36:18.020 him

01:36:18.240 another

01:36:18.800 probationary

01:36:19.760 year

01:36:20.100 so

01:36:20.340 he

01:36:20.520 could

01:36:20.660 prove

01:36:21.020 himself

01:36:21.480 and

01:36:21.720 prove

01:36:21.920 that

01:36:22.060 he

01:36:22.180 was

01:36:22.380 going

01:36:22.540 to

01:36:22.620 get

01:36:22.780 tenure

01:36:23.240 that's

01:36:24.260 maybe

01:36:25.180 a

01:36:25.360 piece

01:36:25.580 of

01:36:25.740 the

01:36:25.960 detail

01:36:26.400 that

01:36:26.580 you

01:36:26.660 were

01:36:26.800 missing

01:36:27.100 after

01:36:27.880 a

01:36:28.160 player

01:36:28.400 wins

01:36:28.760 a

01:36:28.900 blind

01:36:29.100 audition

01:36:29.460 they're

01:36:29.700 typically

01:36:30.020 given

01:36:30.320 a

01:36:30.500 one

01:36:30.780 year

01:36:30.980 probationary

01:36:31.620 contract

01:36:32.020 where

01:36:32.520 the

01:36:33.120 player

01:36:33.340 is

01:36:33.480 evaluated

01:36:33.980 on

01:36:34.320 whether

01:36:34.520 or

01:36:34.660 not

01:36:34.780 they're

01:36:34.920 a

01:36:35.020 good

01:36:35.140 fit

01:36:35.380 because

01:36:35.640 a

01:36:36.060 blind

01:36:36.280 audition

01:36:36.600 doesn't

01:36:37.000 tell

01:36:37.260 you

01:36:37.420 everything

01:36:37.700 about

01:36:38.000 somebody

01:36:38.440 it

01:36:38.820 doesn't

01:36:39.020 tell

01:36:39.180 you

01:36:39.280 what

01:36:39.400 their

01:36:39.520 personality

01:36:40.100 is

01:36:40.440 what

01:36:40.580 kind

01:36:40.740 of

01:36:40.820 a

01:36:40.960 colleague

01:36:41.280 they

01:36:41.520 are

01:36:41.700 if

01:36:41.820 they

01:36:41.940 show

01:36:42.180 up

01:36:42.360 on

01:36:42.560 time

01:36:42.880 if

01:36:43.320 they're

01:36:43.460 a

01:36:43.560 good

01:36:43.720 listener

01:36:44.200 if

01:36:55.580 we

01:36:55.800 kick

01:36:56.600 him

01:36:56.700 to

01:36:56.800 the

01:36:56.940 curb

01:36:57.140 and

01:36:57.240 he

01:36:57.440 sues

01:36:57.700 the

01:36:57.840 orchestra

01:36:58.180 for

01:36:58.500 racial

01:36:58.800 discrimination

01:36:59.360 for

01:36:59.620 trying

01:36:59.860 to

01:37:00.060 fire

01:37:00.260 him

01:37:00.440 illegally

01:37:00.760 a

01:37:01.040 suit

01:37:01.240 that

01:37:01.500 in

01:37:01.660 2019

01:37:02.180 he

01:37:02.740 absolutely

01:37:03.400 would

01:37:03.680 have

01:37:03.800 won

01:37:04.020 we

01:37:04.200 all

01:37:04.540 would

01:37:04.720 have

01:37:04.820 gotten

01:37:05.060 crushed

01:37:05.560 so

01:37:06.180 the

01:37:06.360 management

01:37:06.660 of

01:37:06.780 the

01:37:06.860 orchestra

01:37:07.120 says

01:37:07.440 well

01:37:08.000 we

01:37:08.280 can

01:37:08.420 just

01:37:08.600 fire

01:37:08.940 this

01:37:09.180 one

01:37:09.600 player

01:37:10.560 and

01:37:11.140 pin

01:37:11.360 the

01:37:11.500 whole

01:37:11.680 thing

01:37:11.900 on

01:37:12.080 him

01:37:12.280 and

01:37:12.560 that's

01:37:12.720 what

01:37:12.820 they

01:37:12.940 did

01:37:13.140 to

01:37:13.280 me

01:37:13.480 and

01:37:13.900 I

01:37:14.360 knew

01:37:14.520 they

01:37:14.640 were

01:37:14.760 going

01:37:14.900 to

01:37:14.980 do

01:37:15.200 it

01:37:15.320 my

01:37:15.500 only

01:37:15.680 recourse

01:37:16.100 was

01:37:16.280 public

01:37:16.580 opinion

01:37:16.980 and

01:37:17.160 I

01:37:17.280 thought

01:37:17.520 if

01:37:17.980 I

01:37:18.100 played

01:37:18.380 the

01:37:18.540 long

01:37:19.040 game

01:37:19.280 I

01:37:19.860 got

01:37:20.540 confused

01:37:21.140 again

01:37:21.420 so

01:37:21.940 they're

01:37:22.160 at

01:37:22.300 the

01:37:22.440 point

01:37:22.560 where

01:37:22.680 they

01:37:22.760 have

01:37:22.880 to

01:37:22.980 decide

01:37:23.280 whether

01:37:23.460 they're

01:37:23.680 going to

01:37:24.360 give

01:37:24.520 them

01:37:24.660 the

01:37:24.840 permanent

01:37:25.300 offer

01:37:25.820 after

01:37:26.160 the

01:37:26.320 one

01:37:26.480 year

01:37:26.640 of

01:37:26.760 probation

01:37:27.140 and

01:37:28.120 what

01:37:28.700 did

01:37:29.140 they

01:37:29.380 want

01:37:29.640 to

01:37:29.760 do

01:37:29.980 and

01:37:30.240 what

01:37:30.400 did

01:37:30.560 you

01:37:30.740 want

01:37:30.940 to

01:37:31.060 do

01:37:31.260 well

01:37:33.740 they

01:37:34.040 wanted

01:37:34.420 to

01:37:34.580 hire

01:37:34.800 him

01:37:34.940 no

01:37:35.100 matter

01:37:35.300 what

01:37:35.540 because

01:37:35.800 they

01:37:35.960 wanted

01:37:36.140 to

01:37:36.340 avoid

01:37:36.740 litigation

01:37:37.760 so

01:37:38.460 they

01:37:38.600 didn't

01:37:38.800 really

01:37:39.160 want

01:37:39.500 him

01:37:39.660 they

01:37:39.920 just

01:37:40.120 wanted

01:37:40.340 to

01:37:40.500 avoid

01:37:40.740 litigation

01:37:41.180 correct

01:37:42.520 that's

01:37:43.600 they

01:37:43.760 will

01:37:43.880 never

01:37:44.080 admit

01:37:44.360 this

01:37:44.720 but

01:37:44.980 we

01:37:45.120 all

01:37:45.360 know

01:37:45.560 this

01:37:45.940 and

01:37:46.580 I'm

01:37:46.740 the

01:37:46.860 only

01:37:47.020 person

01:37:47.460 saying

01:37:47.920 it

01:37:48.060 out

01:37:48.220 loud

01:37:48.480 like

01:37:48.800 and

01:37:49.200 everyone's

01:37:49.620 trying

01:37:49.840 to

01:37:50.080 say

01:37:50.340 he's

01:37:50.600 doing

01:37:50.800 a

01:37:50.960 great

01:37:51.140 job

01:37:51.400 he's

01:37:51.580 a

01:37:51.700 great

01:37:51.880 player

01:37:52.140 and

01:37:52.260 I'm

01:37:52.800 thinking

01:37:53.080 that's

01:37:53.440 an

01:37:53.580 insult

01:37:53.920 to

01:37:54.140 our

01:37:54.280 audience

01:37:54.680 everybody

01:37:55.240 can

01:37:55.580 hear

01:37:55.840 that

01:37:56.040 this

01:37:56.220 guy

01:37:56.380 is

01:37:56.480 all

01:37:56.640 over

01:37:56.860 the

01:37:57.000 place

01:37:57.380 and

01:37:58.000 everybody

01:37:58.300 is

01:37:58.600 tired

01:37:58.920 of

01:37:59.080 the

01:37:59.240 struggle

01:37:59.540 sessions

01:37:59.960 that

01:38:00.180 he's

01:38:00.360 putting

01:38:00.580 us

01:38:00.800 through

01:38:01.140 all

01:38:01.740 of

01:38:01.900 his

01:38:02.200 extra

01:38:02.820 social

01:38:03.620 media

01:38:03.900 that

01:38:04.100 he

01:38:04.220 does

01:38:04.480 declaring

01:38:04.920 that

01:38:05.180 orchestras

01:38:05.720 are

01:38:05.900 racist

01:38:06.360 nobody

01:38:06.960 wants

01:38:07.280 to

01:38:07.420 hear

01:38:07.580 that

01:38:07.820 we

01:38:07.960 just

01:38:08.140 want

01:38:08.320 to

01:38:08.400 come

01:38:08.540 to

01:38:08.700 work

01:38:08.940 we

01:38:09.400 want

01:38:09.560 to

01:38:09.660 play

01:38:09.820 with

01:38:09.980 the

01:38:10.100 best

01:38:10.300 players

01:38:10.720 and

01:38:11.280 leave

01:38:11.620 it's

01:38:12.040 a

01:38:12.160 simple

01:38:12.440 job

01:38:12.880 it's

01:38:13.180 a

01:38:13.300 fun

01:38:13.500 job

01:38:13.820 and

01:38:14.080 his

01:38:14.440 presence

01:38:15.000 and

01:38:15.720 his

01:38:15.920 advocacy

01:38:16.440 sucked

01:38:16.900 all

01:38:17.120 the

01:38:17.280 fun

01:38:17.500 out

01:38:17.660 of

01:38:17.780 it

01:38:17.880 for

01:38:18.060 everybody

01:38:18.420 this

01:38:18.660 is

01:38:18.780 not

01:38:18.900 a

01:38:19.020 job

01:38:19.180 you're

01:38:19.320 going

01:38:19.380 to

01:38:19.440 get

01:38:19.560 rich

01:38:19.800 doing

01:38:20.120 can

01:38:20.960 you

01:38:21.080 just

01:38:21.260 explain

01:38:21.640 to

01:38:21.860 because

01:38:22.080 I

01:38:22.400 didn't

01:38:22.560 know

01:38:22.700 this

01:38:22.880 James

01:38:23.080 but

01:38:23.300 apparently

01:38:23.900 like

01:38:24.340 principal

01:38:25.360 oboist

01:38:26.380 is a

01:38:27.320 rather

01:38:27.580 important

01:38:28.280 role

01:38:28.840 in an

01:38:29.640 orchestra

01:38:29.960 it's

01:38:31.320 the

01:38:31.480 most

01:38:31.740 important

01:38:32.100 role

01:38:32.320 in

01:38:32.440 an

01:38:32.560 orchestra

01:38:32.900 when

01:38:33.220 you

01:38:33.320 go

01:38:33.440 to

01:38:33.540 an

01:38:33.640 orchestra

01:38:33.960 and

01:38:34.220 it

01:38:34.600 gets

01:38:34.800 quiet

01:38:35.240 when

01:38:35.420 the

01:38:35.560 lights

01:38:35.760 go

01:38:35.940 down

01:38:36.160 and

01:38:36.300 we

01:38:36.440 all

01:38:36.620 tune

01:38:36.960 up

01:38:37.220 to

01:38:37.660 that

01:38:37.840 one

01:38:38.140 note

01:38:38.460 that's

01:38:39.000 the

01:38:39.120 oboist

01:38:39.500 giving

01:38:39.760 that

01:38:39.960 note

01:38:40.200 the

01:38:40.540 oboist

01:38:40.900 gives

01:38:41.120 all

01:38:41.440 the

01:38:41.600 best

01:38:41.840 solos

01:38:42.440 all

01:38:42.920 the

01:38:43.080 most

01:38:43.260 beautiful

01:38:43.680 solos

01:38:44.220 in

01:38:44.340 the

01:38:44.440 repertoire

01:38:44.820 by

01:38:45.080 Brahms

01:38:45.580 and

01:38:45.760 Beethoven

01:38:46.260 and

01:38:46.520 Debussy

01:38:46.900 are

01:38:47.120 all

01:38:47.580 given

01:38:48.160 to

01:38:48.420 the

01:38:48.560 first

01:38:48.840 oboe

01:38:49.200 it's

01:38:49.440 an

01:38:49.600 amazing

01:38:50.380 instrument

01:38:50.880 and

01:38:51.080 it

01:38:51.180 can

01:38:51.320 have

01:38:51.520 more

01:38:51.800 artistic

01:38:52.260 influence

01:38:52.860 on

01:38:53.440 the

01:38:53.600 sound

01:38:53.860 of

01:38:54.000 the

01:38:54.100 group

01:38:54.300 than

01:38:54.520 any

01:38:54.860 other

01:38:55.120 instrument

01:38:55.560 so

01:38:56.080 this

01:38:56.280 was

01:38:56.480 not

01:38:56.680 some

01:38:57.020 job

01:38:57.480 where

01:38:57.680 the

01:38:57.840 guy

01:38:58.040 could

01:38:58.640 be

01:38:58.960 covered

01:38:59.380 for

01:38:59.720 by

01:39:00.020 everybody

01:39:00.460 else

01:39:00.740 around

01:39:01.040 him

01:39:01.240 he

01:39:01.640 was

01:39:01.800 setting

01:39:02.040 the

01:39:02.260 tone

01:39:02.500 quite

01:39:02.860 literally

01:39:03.240 for

01:39:03.480 what

01:39:03.620 we

01:39:03.720 were

01:39:03.840 doing

01:39:04.100 so

01:39:04.960 you

01:39:05.300 you

01:39:05.780 fought

01:39:06.240 to

01:39:06.460 get

01:39:06.600 this

01:39:06.800 guy

01:39:07.120 a

01:39:07.840 fair

01:39:08.220 audition

01:39:08.700 and

01:39:09.120 a

01:39:09.320 fair

01:39:09.540 chance

01:39:10.080 at

01:39:10.200 the

01:39:10.340 orchestra

01:39:10.740 but

01:39:11.240 having

01:39:11.460 worked

01:39:11.740 with

01:39:11.920 him

01:39:12.120 as

01:39:12.360 a

01:39:12.480 fellow

01:39:12.660 musician

01:39:13.020 for

01:39:13.280 a

01:39:13.440 year

01:39:13.740 it

01:39:14.240 was

01:39:14.380 clear

01:39:14.600 to

01:39:14.780 you

01:39:15.100 he

01:39:15.540 didn't

01:39:15.780 deserve

01:39:16.060 the

01:39:16.240 job

01:39:16.500 he

01:39:16.660 wasn't

01:39:16.980 up

01:39:17.200 to

01:39:17.360 snuff

01:39:17.660 and

01:39:18.480 that

01:39:18.800 they

01:39:19.020 the

01:39:19.240 only

01:39:19.480 reason

01:39:19.800 the

01:39:19.960 orchestra

01:39:20.260 was

01:39:20.520 not

01:39:20.700 about

01:39:20.940 to

01:39:21.120 acknowledge

01:39:21.540 that

01:39:21.740 publicly

01:39:22.100 and

01:39:22.340 let

01:39:22.500 him

01:39:22.640 go

01:39:22.860 as

01:39:23.140 they

01:39:32.500 and

01:39:32.820 when

01:39:33.060 you

01:39:33.280 raised

01:39:33.780 that

01:39:33.980 objection

01:39:34.500 they

01:39:35.260 fired

01:39:35.540 you

01:39:35.760 that's

01:39:37.340 right

01:39:37.580 I

01:39:37.780 mean

01:39:37.880 I

01:39:38.020 believed

01:39:38.360 in

01:39:38.540 him

01:39:38.760 I

01:39:39.020 thought

01:39:39.220 he

01:39:39.320 was

01:39:39.480 very

01:39:39.700 talented

01:39:40.140 which

01:39:40.360 he

01:39:40.460 was

01:39:40.640 he

01:39:40.760 has

01:39:40.860 great

01:39:41.100 natural

01:39:41.480 ability

01:39:41.840 and

01:39:42.000 let's

01:39:42.180 not

01:39:42.320 take

01:39:42.540 away

01:39:42.780 his

01:39:42.980 achievement

01:39:43.440 of

01:39:44.040 winning

01:39:44.280 a

01:39:44.460 blind

01:39:44.720 audition

01:39:45.100 against

01:39:45.480 a

01:39:45.680 national

01:39:46.040 pool

01:39:46.340 of

01:39:46.500 candidates

01:39:46.840 from

01:39:47.080 all

01:39:47.280 over

01:39:47.460 the

01:39:47.580 place

01:39:47.800 this

01:39:48.000 is

01:39:48.140 a

01:39:48.280 major

01:39:48.660 position

01:39:49.240 principal

01:39:49.920 clarinet

01:39:50.260 of the

01:39:50.460 Nashville

01:39:50.760 symphony

01:39:51.120 this

01:39:51.340 is

01:39:51.480 music

01:39:51.860 city

01:39:52.280 and

01:39:52.800 a

01:39:52.920 position

01:39:53.220 like

01:39:53.460 that

01:39:53.620 can

01:39:53.780 lead

01:39:54.000 to

01:39:54.160 jobs

01:39:54.480 in

01:39:54.600 academia

01:39:55.160 in

01:39:55.500 recording

01:39:55.900 studios

01:39:56.420 this

01:39:56.900 is

01:39:57.060 no

01:39:57.280 small

01:39:57.580 potatoes

01:39:57.900 this

01:39:58.120 is

01:39:58.260 not

01:39:58.420 a

01:39:58.580 hobby

01:39:58.940 this

01:39:59.600 is

01:39:59.720 not

01:39:59.860 something

01:40:00.100 that

01:40:00.280 people

01:40:00.480 do

01:40:00.720 outside

01:40:01.100 of

01:40:01.260 their

01:40:01.380 regular

01:40:01.680 job

01:40:02.000 for

01:40:02.160 fun

01:40:02.360 this

01:40:02.560 is

01:40:02.720 a

01:40:02.880 career

01:40:03.280 this

01:40:03.980 was

01:40:04.140 the

01:40:04.380 stakes

01:40:04.680 were

01:40:04.880 high

01:40:05.100 and

01:40:05.220 I

01:40:05.340 thought

01:40:05.600 this

01:40:06.160 guy

01:40:06.440 had

01:40:07.060 enough

01:40:07.300 talent

01:40:07.700 but

01:40:08.300 he

01:40:08.500 was

01:40:08.820 just

01:40:09.300 broken

01:40:09.900 brained

01:40:10.480 you

01:40:10.780 know

01:40:10.900 how

01:40:11.020 some

01:40:11.240 of

01:40:11.360 these

01:40:11.520 wokesters

01:40:11.940 get

01:40:12.400 they

01:40:12.900 can't

01:40:13.220 think

01:40:13.360 they

01:40:13.600 don't

01:40:13.840 see

01:40:14.340 reality

01:40:15.300 for

01:40:15.560 what

01:40:15.740 it

01:40:15.860 is

01:40:16.000 they

01:40:16.140 start

01:40:16.480 seeing

01:40:17.040 racism

01:40:17.620 in

01:40:17.880 everything

01:40:18.460 every

01:40:18.780 interaction

01:40:19.440 and

01:40:20.180 it

01:40:20.360 so

01:40:21.060 I

01:40:21.320 was

01:40:21.520 thinking

01:40:22.260 maybe

01:40:22.580 we

01:40:22.800 can

01:40:22.980 disabuse

01:40:23.580 him

01:40:23.740 of

01:40:23.920 these

01:40:24.100 horrible

01:40:24.460 notions

01:40:24.900 of

01:40:25.160 what's

01:40:25.340 going

01:40:25.500 on

01:40:25.640 around

01:40:25.920 him

01:40:26.200 and

01:40:26.640 convince

01:40:26.960 him

01:40:27.140 to

01:40:27.320 just

01:40:27.540 tone

01:40:27.800 it

01:40:27.920 down

01:40:28.160 and

01:40:28.420 do

01:40:28.540 your

01:40:28.680 playing

01:40:28.980 but

01:40:29.140 he

01:40:29.280 was

01:40:29.440 not

01:40:29.660 able

01:40:29.920 to

01:40:30.120 be

01:40:30.300 convinced

01:40:30.780 that

01:40:31.740 the

01:40:32.280 world

01:40:32.520 was

01:40:32.740 anything

01:40:33.080 other

01:40:33.400 than

01:40:33.580 what

01:40:33.740 he

01:40:33.840 said

01:40:34.160 it

01:40:34.300 was

01:40:34.620 so

01:40:35.220 I

01:40:35.360 thought

01:40:35.540 well

01:40:35.720 we

01:40:35.840 got

01:40:35.940 to

01:40:44.340 our

01:40:44.480 meetings

01:40:44.840 that

01:40:45.260 were

01:40:45.420 leading

01:40:45.700 up

01:40:45.880 to

01:40:46.040 the

01:40:46.280 decision

01:40:46.660 about

01:40:46.960 whether

01:40:47.200 he

01:40:47.560 should

01:40:48.300 get

01:40:48.460 tenure

01:40:48.740 or

01:40:48.900 not

01:40:49.100 he

01:40:49.320 had

01:40:49.440 no

01:40:49.620 support

01:40:50.020 whatsoever

01:40:50.700 from

01:40:51.000 any

01:40:51.220 musician

01:40:51.580 the

01:40:51.760 conductor

01:40:52.040 didn't

01:40:52.260 like

01:40:52.480 him

01:40:52.640 none

01:40:52.900 of

01:40:53.080 us

01:40:53.220 liked

01:40:53.500 him

01:40:53.700 but

01:40:54.240 management

01:40:54.640 liked

01:40:54.940 him

01:40:55.020 the

01:40:55.200 CEO

01:40:55.520 liked

01:40:55.840 him

01:40:55.940 because

01:40:56.120 he

01:40:56.220 was

01:40:56.360 his

01:40:56.520 golden

01:40:56.760 child

01:40:57.200 his

01:40:57.480 DEI

01:40:58.020 ticket

01:40:58.400 to

01:40:59.000 success

01:40:59.520 he's

01:41:00.040 like

01:41:00.140 look

01:41:00.280 we're

01:41:00.400 going

01:41:00.480 to

01:41:00.580 parade

01:41:00.920 this

01:41:01.180 guy

01:41:01.380 around

01:41:01.640 everywhere

01:41:01.940 and

01:41:02.180 show

01:41:02.400 everybody

01:41:02.740 how

01:41:02.900 righteous

01:41:03.220 we

01:41:03.500 are

01:41:03.620 he's

01:41:03.820 a

01:41:03.940 human

01:41:04.300 virtue

01:41:04.680 signal

01:41:05.700 which

01:41:06.320 by

01:41:06.620 the

01:41:06.720 way

01:41:06.920 is

01:41:07.220 quite

01:41:07.480 racist

01:41:07.900 to

01:41:08.180 tokenize

01:41:08.700 somebody

01:41:09.040 and

01:41:09.220 do

01:41:09.420 this

01:41:09.740 parade

01:41:10.360 them

01:41:10.520 around

01:41:10.780 for

01:41:10.940 their

01:41:11.120 skin

01:41:11.380 color

01:41:11.700 and

01:41:12.180 I

01:41:12.260 objected

01:41:12.640 to

01:41:12.740 all

01:41:12.960 of

01:41:13.040 the

01:41:13.080 respectful

01:41:13.520 thing

01:41:13.760 to do

01:41:14.160 to

01:41:14.420 any

01:41:14.700 musician

01:41:15.120 black

01:41:15.460 white

01:41:15.740 or

01:41:15.960 other

01:41:16.300 is

01:41:16.840 to

01:41:16.940 treat

01:41:17.100 them

01:41:17.280 the

01:41:17.640 same

01:41:17.840 way

01:41:18.020 you

01:41:18.160 would

01:41:18.420 as

01:41:19.020 if

01:41:19.240 they

01:41:19.360 were

01:41:19.500 a

01:41:19.640 member

01:41:19.780 of

01:41:19.940 the

01:41:20.040 majority

01:41:20.320 group

01:41:20.620 that's

01:41:21.100 the

01:41:21.220 respectful

01:41:21.560 thing

01:41:21.920 that's

01:41:22.480 that's

01:41:22.760 like

01:41:22.940 me

01:41:23.400 not

01:41:23.660 going

01:41:23.940 after

01:41:24.260 a

01:41:24.560 black

01:41:24.800 journalist

01:41:25.180 who

01:41:25.400 says

01:41:25.580 something

01:41:25.880 completely

01:41:26.360 inane

01:41:26.960 because

01:41:27.520 she's

01:41:27.820 black

01:41:28.120 I

01:41:28.360 would

01:41:28.500 never

01:41:28.720 do

01:41:29.120 my

01:41:29.960 fellow

01:41:30.400 journalists

01:41:31.360 that

01:41:31.640 disservice

01:41:32.220 I'll

01:41:32.780 criticize

01:41:33.020 you

01:41:33.260 no matter

01:41:33.480 what

01:41:33.660 your

01:41:33.760 skin

01:41:33.940 color

01:41:34.120 is

01:41:34.340 which

01:41:34.500 is

01:41:34.620 a

01:41:34.760 sign

01:41:34.900 of

01:41:35.020 respect

01:41:35.420 stand

01:41:36.000 by

01:41:36.140 there's

01:41:36.320 much

01:41:36.480 more

01:41:36.620 to

01:41:36.720 this

01:41:36.840 story

01:41:37.080 we'll

01:41:37.280 pick

01:41:37.460 it

01:41:37.540 up

01:41:37.660 on

01:41:37.760 the

01:41:37.840 back

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01:41:39.380 James

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01:43:44.320 Hey everyone

01:43:46.620 it's me

01:43:47.120 Megan

01:43:47.400 Kelly

01:43:47.660 I've got

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01:43:57.840 and no

01:43:58.340 apologies

01:43:58.760 along with

01:43:59.780 the Megan

01:44:00.020 Kelly

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01:44:00.480 you're

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01:44:01.060 people

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01:44:02.000 Halperin

01:44:02.600 Link

01:44:02.960 Lauren

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01:44:05.280 Jesse

01:44:05.640 Kelly

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01:44:07.040 and many

01:44:07.820 more

01:44:08.360 it's

01:44:08.960 bold

01:44:09.420 no

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01:44:10.260 news

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01:44:11.180 on

01:44:11.540 the

01:44:11.620 Megan

01:44:11.800 Kelly

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01:44:13.260 111

01:44:13.960 and on

01:44:14.240 Sirius XM

01:44:15.040 app

01:44:15.360 here with

01:44:20.620 me today

01:44:21.160 is James

01:44:21.880 Zimmerman

01:44:22.540 a

01:44:23.120 storied

01:44:23.900 clarinetist

01:44:24.600 who is now

01:44:25.140 involved

01:44:25.580 in a

01:44:26.280 DEI

01:44:26.880 related

01:44:27.360 lawsuit

01:44:28.060 when last

01:44:28.620 we left

01:44:29.040 off

01:44:29.380 James

01:44:29.980 had

01:44:30.140 explained

01:44:30.520 to us

01:44:30.920 how he

01:44:31.240 had

01:44:31.360 helped

01:44:31.820 a

01:44:32.400 black

01:44:32.720 oboist

01:44:33.420 get a

01:44:33.880 fair

01:44:34.100 shot

01:44:34.480 at

01:44:34.700 making

01:44:35.000 the

01:44:35.360 Nashville

01:44:35.820 symphony

01:44:36.900 despite

01:44:37.640 the fact

01:44:38.160 that

01:44:38.500 the

01:44:39.200 conductor

01:44:39.680 of the

01:44:39.900 orchestra

01:44:40.180 upon

01:44:40.520 learning

01:44:40.960 who

01:44:41.280 was

01:44:41.680 the

01:44:41.900 oboist

01:44:42.380 trying

01:44:42.800 out

01:44:43.160 said

01:44:43.680 I don't

01:44:43.980 want him

01:44:44.340 and James

01:44:45.060 said

01:44:45.320 that's not

01:44:45.920 going to

01:44:46.120 fly

01:44:46.360 you're

01:44:46.580 going to

01:44:46.720 have to

01:44:46.940 give him

01:44:47.140 a shot

01:44:47.500 he got

01:44:48.420 this

01:44:48.740 black

01:44:49.060 oboist

01:44:49.580 his

01:44:49.860 shot

01:44:50.220 which led

01:44:50.800 to a

01:44:51.280 one year

01:44:51.840 trial

01:44:52.520 period

01:44:53.080 and at

01:44:53.800 the end

01:44:54.020 of the

01:44:54.240 year

01:44:54.440 James

01:44:54.840 says

01:44:55.440 those

01:44:56.600 who

01:44:56.760 were

01:44:56.900 in the

01:44:57.240 orchestra

01:44:57.620 and

01:44:58.040 pretty much

01:44:58.460 everyone

01:44:58.940 other than

01:44:59.580 the

01:45:00.020 brass

01:45:00.520 meaning

01:45:01.400 the corporate

01:45:02.680 brass

01:45:03.020 not the

01:45:03.360 actual brass

01:45:03.880 symphony

01:45:04.960 wanted this

01:45:05.980 guy gone

01:45:06.460 that he

01:45:06.900 wasn't

01:45:07.300 pulling his

01:45:07.840 weight

01:45:08.100 that he

01:45:08.340 was annoying

01:45:08.800 talking about

01:45:09.440 DEI issues

01:45:10.140 all the

01:45:10.380 time

01:45:10.740 and that he

01:45:11.500 wasn't

01:45:11.740 particularly

01:45:12.100 talented

01:45:12.600 as an

01:45:13.120 oboist

01:45:13.580 which is a

01:45:14.020 very important

01:45:14.500 role in

01:45:14.980 an orchestra

01:45:15.420 but this

01:45:17.380 guy was

01:45:18.140 not going

01:45:18.880 to be

01:45:19.220 criticized

01:45:19.580 by James

01:45:20.440 without a

01:45:21.140 fight

01:45:21.480 and the

01:45:22.840 people running

01:45:24.340 the orchestra

01:45:24.920 did not want

01:45:25.600 to fire

01:45:26.140 their

01:45:26.660 one black

01:45:27.800 oboist

01:45:28.540 so things

01:45:29.840 started to

01:45:30.220 get ugly

01:45:30.700 and now all

01:45:31.460 of this is

01:45:31.800 being used

01:45:32.500 against James

01:45:33.360 James says

01:45:34.020 by the

01:45:35.000 orchestra

01:45:35.340 in Knoxville

01:45:36.220 for which he

01:45:36.720 just tried out

01:45:37.440 and made it

01:45:38.220 he was the

01:45:38.940 best in the

01:45:39.860 blind audition

01:45:40.460 but then they

01:45:41.020 said we're not

01:45:41.480 going to hire

01:45:41.880 you

01:45:42.200 alleges James

01:45:42.940 because we

01:45:43.920 took a look

01:45:44.360 at what

01:45:44.600 happened to

01:45:45.020 you

01:45:45.220 at Nashville

01:45:46.100 that's why

01:45:46.560 we're deep

01:45:47.000 now in

01:45:47.520 what happened

01:45:47.920 at Nashville

01:45:48.340 and all

01:45:49.080 this to me

01:45:49.560 is just

01:45:49.920 my opinion

01:45:50.420 is utter

01:45:51.520 bullshit

01:45:52.300 what happened

01:45:53.000 to you

01:45:53.240 James

01:45:53.520 I can see

01:45:54.320 exactly what

01:45:55.120 the motivations

01:45:55.680 were

01:45:56.140 they were

01:45:56.860 pissed

01:45:57.320 that you

01:45:57.960 wouldn't

01:45:58.200 just go

01:45:58.720 along

01:45:59.140 so that

01:45:59.500 they could

01:45:59.860 look like

01:46:00.380 virtuous

01:46:00.740 people

01:46:01.200 with the

01:46:01.600 black

01:46:01.900 oboist

01:46:02.700 and they

01:46:03.580 didn't like

01:46:04.080 you objecting

01:46:04.720 to him

01:46:05.060 mouthing off

01:46:05.700 about how

01:46:06.120 white supremacy

01:46:06.840 was everywhere

01:46:07.560 which was an

01:46:08.620 inconvenient

01:46:09.000 thing to

01:46:09.580 to object

01:46:10.560 to back

01:46:11.180 in 2020

01:46:11.960 and 2019

01:46:12.780 and they

01:46:14.140 were but

01:46:14.360 they were

01:46:14.580 fine

01:46:14.980 besmirching

01:46:15.700 you

01:46:16.180 now you

01:46:16.960 admit you

01:46:17.460 wrote one

01:46:17.980 weird email

01:46:18.920 that they

01:46:19.600 used against

01:46:20.260 you

01:46:20.580 or whatever

01:46:21.180 however you

01:46:21.480 want to

01:46:21.780 use the

01:46:22.340 whatever word

01:46:22.980 you want to

01:46:23.300 use for it

01:46:23.800 but things

01:46:24.160 got contentious

01:46:25.120 and this is

01:46:26.140 the one thing

01:46:26.640 that they've

01:46:26.920 been able to

01:46:27.300 like hold

01:46:27.880 against you

01:46:28.480 and even

01:46:28.820 when I

01:46:29.200 said you

01:46:29.800 were coming

01:46:30.100 on today

01:46:30.460 people online

01:46:30.980 were like

01:46:31.280 well ask him

01:46:31.780 about his

01:46:32.160 email

01:46:32.520 in which you

01:46:33.440 referenced a

01:46:33.960 gun

01:46:34.240 okay we'll get

01:46:35.700 there

01:46:35.920 so we're

01:46:36.820 setting we're

01:46:37.280 gonna get there

01:46:37.840 in one second

01:46:38.340 let's just set

01:46:39.080 it up for the

01:46:39.500 audience

01:46:39.820 so I'm

01:46:40.920 reading here

01:46:41.280 from the

01:46:41.560 free beacon

01:46:42.000 report that

01:46:42.560 broke your

01:46:42.900 story back

01:46:43.320 in 2020

01:46:43.800 and it

01:46:45.160 says as

01:46:45.540 follows

01:46:45.800 okay

01:46:46.140 tensions in

01:46:47.460 the symphony

01:46:47.940 were rising

01:46:48.580 and the

01:46:49.640 oboist

01:46:50.200 lodged a

01:46:50.800 human resources

01:46:51.740 complaint against

01:46:52.720 you

01:46:52.940 it described

01:46:54.120 an incident

01:46:54.680 that had

01:46:55.060 taken place

01:46:55.600 over a month

01:46:56.140 before the

01:46:57.160 oboist's

01:46:57.920 botched

01:46:58.480 audition

01:46:59.040 now

01:46:59.740 after the

01:47:01.040 botched

01:47:01.300 audition

01:47:01.600 you went

01:47:02.000 to bat

01:47:02.340 for the

01:47:02.620 oboist

01:47:03.160 but here

01:47:03.860 he is

01:47:04.260 saying

01:47:04.540 oh you're

01:47:04.900 some sort

01:47:05.240 of a

01:47:05.460 racist

01:47:05.740 because an

01:47:06.300 incident

01:47:06.520 that happened

01:47:06.960 before the

01:47:07.640 audition

01:47:08.000 in which

01:47:09.000 they claim

01:47:09.460 you asked

01:47:11.240 him whether

01:47:12.240 it would be

01:47:12.580 okay if

01:47:13.340 you a

01:47:13.960 white man

01:47:14.540 used the

01:47:15.300 n-word in

01:47:16.300 your rendition

01:47:17.020 of a rap

01:47:17.640 song

01:47:17.980 the oboist

01:47:19.060 said sure

01:47:19.880 but you

01:47:21.300 James Zimmerman

01:47:22.120 nonetheless

01:47:22.560 apologized after

01:47:23.640 singing the

01:47:24.220 slur

01:47:24.540 quote the

01:47:25.620 n-word

01:47:26.040 did not

01:47:26.540 feel good

01:47:27.180 James recalls

01:47:28.560 telling Underwood

01:47:29.360 and now at

01:47:30.380 this point in

01:47:30.800 the story

01:47:31.180 the the

01:47:32.560 oboist is

01:47:33.280 trying to

01:47:33.700 use that

01:47:34.420 against you

01:47:35.700 do you

01:47:35.920 recall that

01:47:36.500 where suddenly

01:47:37.040 he brought

01:47:37.820 up an

01:47:38.120 old incident

01:47:38.760 that seems

01:47:39.140 to have been

01:47:39.460 long under

01:47:39.880 the bridge

01:47:40.380 to try to

01:47:41.080 paint you

01:47:41.380 as a

01:47:41.640 racist

01:47:42.020 yeah I

01:47:43.800 mean that

01:47:44.440 was stupid

01:47:44.960 of me

01:47:45.440 we were both

01:47:46.220 hip-hop fans

01:47:47.100 like we he's

01:47:47.740 the only other

01:47:48.320 orchestral musician

01:47:49.180 I've ever met

01:47:49.660 that grew up

01:47:50.040 listening to

01:47:50.440 people like

01:47:50.880 Snoop Dogg

01:47:51.340 and the

01:47:51.480 Notorious

01:47:51.860 B.I.G.

01:47:52.780 he knew I

01:47:53.540 liked them

01:47:54.060 he knew I

01:47:55.360 had at a

01:47:56.080 party a

01:47:56.820 couple days

01:47:57.440 before that

01:47:58.060 had like

01:47:58.920 rapped along

01:48:00.320 with some

01:48:00.800 biggie and

01:48:01.460 he was like

01:48:01.780 I wish I'd

01:48:02.300 been there to

01:48:02.700 hear that and

01:48:03.400 I had told

01:48:03.880 him dude I'm

01:48:04.700 not gonna say

01:48:05.100 the n-word

01:48:05.480 in front of

01:48:05.920 you but

01:48:06.240 then we

01:48:07.000 were just

01:48:07.280 like listening

01:48:07.640 to some

01:48:07.900 music after

01:48:08.360 concert one

01:48:08.920 night and

01:48:09.240 I said yeah

01:48:10.420 remember when

01:48:10.840 you said you

01:48:11.160 wanted to hear

01:48:11.520 that let's

01:48:11.860 go wrap it

01:48:12.320 in my car

01:48:12.820 and he's

01:48:13.820 like yeah

01:48:14.100 sure say

01:48:14.460 the n-word

01:48:14.800 it's no big

01:48:15.240 deal and

01:48:15.640 I was like

01:48:15.880 this is it

01:48:16.620 was so

01:48:17.060 stupid but

01:48:18.200 I handed

01:48:18.920 him the

01:48:19.240 golden dagger

01:48:19.920 and three

01:48:21.620 weeks later

01:48:22.140 after he won

01:48:23.260 the blind

01:48:23.620 audition and I

01:48:24.320 stuck up for

01:48:24.900 him he stabbed

01:48:25.600 me right in

01:48:25.940 the back with

01:48:26.360 it because he

01:48:26.980 was so desperate

01:48:28.040 to find some

01:48:29.900 sign of racism

01:48:31.040 and distract

01:48:31.560 from the fact

01:48:32.440 that after two

01:48:33.900 years of

01:48:34.300 playing with us

01:48:35.080 and winning a

01:48:35.920 blind audition

01:48:36.440 we still tried

01:48:37.220 to get rid

01:48:37.640 of him I

01:48:37.940 mean have

01:48:38.620 some sympathy

01:48:39.160 for the guy

01:48:39.700 how humiliating

01:48:40.660 is that

01:48:41.180 after two

01:48:42.200 years of

01:48:42.600 playing with

01:48:42.960 somebody you

01:48:43.360 go through

01:48:43.800 the meritocratic

01:48:44.400 process of a

01:48:45.140 blind audition

01:48:45.720 and you're all

01:48:46.960 of your

01:48:47.200 colleagues except

01:48:48.100 me and the

01:48:48.780 conductor are

01:48:49.260 like yeah I

01:48:50.220 don't want to

01:48:50.540 play with this

01:48:50.960 guy that's got

01:48:51.900 to hurt so

01:48:52.840 he took it

01:48:53.240 out on me

01:48:53.680 simple as

01:48:54.860 that well

01:48:56.200 then you found

01:48:56.940 out that he

01:48:58.740 and another

01:49:00.300 player who

01:49:02.960 was sympathetic

01:49:04.620 to the DEI

01:49:05.980 worldview

01:49:06.500 one of them

01:49:08.220 or both

01:49:08.880 had filed

01:49:09.580 a secret

01:49:10.620 HR complaint

01:49:11.620 against you

01:49:12.340 in which

01:49:13.420 they were

01:49:14.080 accusing you

01:49:15.080 of stalking

01:49:17.060 like behavior

01:49:18.340 that you

01:49:19.800 were not

01:49:20.320 just quote

01:49:20.740 racially

01:49:21.160 insensitive

01:49:21.680 this is the

01:49:22.320 Free Beacons

01:49:22.740 reporting

01:49:23.100 but potentially

01:49:23.960 predatory

01:49:24.800 the narrative

01:49:25.780 was seated

01:49:26.260 behind James

01:49:27.300 Zimmerman's

01:49:27.780 back beginning

01:49:29.320 with an

01:49:29.800 unofficial

01:49:30.360 HR complaint

01:49:31.380 about which

01:49:32.580 the clarinetist

01:49:33.340 was never

01:49:34.180 notified

01:49:35.100 and what

01:49:36.880 they allegedly

01:49:37.880 told HR

01:49:39.180 without telling

01:49:40.300 you was that

01:49:41.500 you seemed

01:49:42.100 obsessed with

01:49:43.400 this oboist

01:49:44.260 and his new

01:49:45.200 buddy who's

01:49:45.880 sympathetic to

01:49:46.640 DEI that

01:49:47.920 you had been

01:49:48.500 asking detailed

01:49:49.220 questions about

01:49:50.720 these two and

01:49:51.560 their living

01:49:52.080 situations and

01:49:53.860 the oboist

01:49:55.980 alleged as did

01:49:57.260 the other guy

01:49:57.880 that you were

01:49:58.840 deliberately driving

01:50:00.120 by their

01:50:00.780 homes

01:50:01.320 the Free Beacon

01:50:02.720 reporting

01:50:03.220 it was half

01:50:04.940 true

01:50:05.380 Zimmerman often

01:50:06.980 drove down

01:50:08.220 the one man

01:50:08.880 street to

01:50:10.160 avoid late

01:50:10.940 afternoon traffic

01:50:11.900 as did several

01:50:12.880 of his

01:50:13.420 colleagues

01:50:14.100 so you find

01:50:15.760 out they're

01:50:16.000 trying to

01:50:16.340 paint you as

01:50:17.020 a crazy ass

01:50:17.960 stalker

01:50:18.700 because you

01:50:19.720 drove down

01:50:20.580 the one guy

01:50:21.380 street in

01:50:22.600 order to

01:50:23.040 avoid traffic

01:50:23.900 just like half

01:50:24.600 the orchestra

01:50:25.120 I mean you're

01:50:27.020 looking at me

01:50:27.380 like this is

01:50:27.920 too ridiculous

01:50:28.740 to be what

01:50:29.400 happened but

01:50:29.940 that's exactly

01:50:30.440 what happened

01:50:30.860 the guy moved

01:50:31.380 into my

01:50:31.740 neighborhood

01:50:32.080 this other

01:50:33.080 player not

01:50:33.540 the oboist

01:50:34.060 another DEI

01:50:35.080 social justice

01:50:36.000 warrior type

01:50:36.640 of violist

01:50:37.280 a very

01:50:38.500 troubled young

01:50:39.200 man and I

01:50:40.860 asked him the

01:50:41.240 same question

01:50:41.760 that I ask

01:50:42.180 every new

01:50:42.580 person that's

01:50:43.000 joined the

01:50:43.300 orchestra

01:50:43.580 hey man

01:50:43.960 welcome to

01:50:44.380 town where

01:50:44.700 did you

01:50:44.880 move to

01:50:45.240 and he

01:50:45.960 moved right

01:50:46.320 around the

01:50:46.620 corner from

01:50:47.000 me I

01:50:47.520 drove by

01:50:47.800 his house

01:50:48.080 every day

01:50:48.400 before he

01:50:48.800 even lived

01:50:49.140 there and

01:50:50.080 he reported

01:50:50.700 me as a

01:50:51.180 stalker for

01:50:51.600 that you

01:50:52.280 think I'm

01:50:52.760 kidding but

01:50:53.520 this is how

01:50:54.020 desperate these

01:50:54.680 people are

01:50:55.300 and when I

01:50:55.700 heard that

01:50:56.080 they so

01:50:56.620 they reported

01:50:57.200 that to

01:50:58.080 management and

01:50:58.700 management didn't

01:50:59.200 even waste my

01:50:59.780 time they they

01:51:01.680 didn't even bring

01:51:02.300 me in for that

01:51:02.900 they said this is

01:51:03.420 so preposterous

01:51:04.460 what these guys

01:51:05.280 are doing to

01:51:05.720 James we know

01:51:06.260 James he's been

01:51:06.780 here for a dozen

01:51:07.300 years he's a

01:51:07.880 star employee we

01:51:09.420 use him for all

01:51:10.280 kinds of media he's

01:51:11.400 a great ambassador

01:51:12.180 for the Nashville

01:51:12.720 symphony there's no

01:51:13.920 legs to this thing

01:51:14.620 at all these kids

01:51:15.260 are crazy I'm sure

01:51:16.400 it'll just boil I'm

01:51:17.460 sure it will just go

01:51:18.220 away that's the

01:51:18.940 management style at

01:51:19.820 the Nashville symphony

01:51:20.520 if you just ignore

01:51:21.420 something for long

01:51:22.120 enough it's just

01:51:22.600 gonna go away

01:51:23.320 but that is what

01:51:24.200 happened they they

01:51:25.100 said when I drove

01:51:25.880 by this kid's house

01:51:26.760 on the way to work

01:51:27.480 they claimed I was

01:51:29.760 stalking them so I

01:51:30.500 wrote that email after

01:51:31.340 work after I found

01:51:32.100 that out I was very

01:51:33.440 you're mad

01:51:33.940 I was I'd had

01:51:35.840 enough and I was

01:51:36.700 like you know what

01:51:37.280 if management's not

01:51:38.020 going to protect me

01:51:38.540 from this I'm going

01:51:39.480 to quit the orchestra

01:51:40.160 I was teaching full

01:51:41.340 time at Vanderbilt at

01:51:42.340 the time I had

01:51:42.940 plenty of session

01:51:43.640 work I had other

01:51:45.340 orchestras calling me

01:51:46.240 to come in and play

01:51:47.000 as a guest I was

01:51:48.180 able to leave the

01:51:49.080 symphony and I said

01:51:50.540 I want to quit if

01:51:51.420 you're not going to

01:51:51.920 stand up against

01:51:52.660 these freaks against

01:51:53.820 me but management

01:51:54.620 fired me before I

01:51:55.780 could quit so they

01:51:56.600 could further their

01:51:58.440 story this Jussie

01:51:59.360 Smollett like story

01:52:00.400 that I was some kind

01:52:01.400 of stalker racist who

01:52:02.420 uses the n-word in

01:52:03.280 front of black people

01:52:04.020 it's all context

01:52:05.520 right so what not the

01:52:08.620 oboist but his other

01:52:09.740 friend who plays the

01:52:10.760 viola had said to you

01:52:12.720 earlier something about

01:52:14.080 his dog he had

01:52:15.160 mentioned that he was

01:52:16.880 kind of rebuffing

01:52:17.620 according to the free

01:52:18.220 beacon your efforts to

01:52:19.200 get to know him

01:52:19.900 because he was buddies

01:52:20.620 with the oboist and

01:52:22.380 when you mentioned his

01:52:23.900 dog this guy responded

01:52:25.880 yeah and he'll fuck

01:52:26.860 anybody up and you

01:52:29.260 didn't much like that

01:52:30.360 comment you kind of read

01:52:31.540 this as wow this

01:52:33.720 violist is threatening

01:52:35.820 me with his dog it's

01:52:37.320 like F me up and so

01:52:39.380 that leads me to your

01:52:40.620 email so then you find

01:52:41.720 out this guy who's

01:52:42.540 threatened you with his

01:52:43.140 dog according to you

01:52:44.080 and this other guy who

01:52:45.680 you help but now is

01:52:46.500 playing the race card

01:52:47.100 against you have filed

01:52:48.280 the secret HR complaint

01:52:49.520 you're mad you send an

01:52:51.480 email and here is the

01:52:54.100 portion of it in part

01:52:55.960 that that is being used

01:52:58.160 against you you write

01:52:59.960 okay uh you you write

01:53:02.540 an email to the the

01:53:03.680 guy who played the

01:53:04.260 viola and you write

01:53:05.720 and you cc'd HR it's

01:53:07.040 not like you were

01:53:07.360 trying to make this

01:53:07.840 secret but you write

01:53:09.100 never mind the fact

01:53:09.720 that you originally

01:53:10.340 told me your address

01:53:11.300 was this particular

01:53:12.400 address so I checked

01:53:14.100 it out on my next

01:53:14.680 commute when I

01:53:15.420 described the house to

01:53:16.160 you you said something

01:53:16.880 to the effect of oh

01:53:17.660 I'm actually at a

01:53:18.220 different address I

01:53:19.060 thought it was odd

01:53:19.660 you'd forgotten your

01:53:20.320 address because who

01:53:21.320 would lie about that

01:53:22.080 but you're new here so

01:53:23.460 I let it slide also

01:53:24.860 never mind the fact that

01:53:25.760 at the end of our

01:53:26.280 backstage conversation

01:53:27.220 when I asked if you

01:53:28.040 have a dog because of

01:53:29.200 the sign on your

01:53:29.740 fence you affirm that

01:53:31.040 you do you begin

01:53:31.860 walking toward the

01:53:32.640 door to the locker

01:53:33.380 room and said over

01:53:34.020 your shoulder he'll

01:53:35.360 fuck anybody up cool

01:53:37.100 certainly you weren't

01:53:38.340 threatening anybody

01:53:39.080 because who does that

01:53:40.320 I'm terrified of dogs

01:53:42.040 he wrote I have a wife

01:53:43.280 and children and in my

01:53:44.980 family we have a

01:53:45.620 firearm I don't know

01:53:46.860 how to use it but I'm

01:53:47.880 glad my wife does it

01:53:49.120 used to belong to her

01:53:49.840 father who is now

01:53:50.660 fighting stage four lung

01:53:52.200 cancer but I digress and

01:53:54.380 then you go back to you

01:53:55.360 know your your email

01:53:57.000 to him and sort of

01:53:58.320 these two guys

01:53:58.860 hashing this stuff

01:53:59.580 out and the free

01:54:01.260 beacon reports that

01:54:02.440 the next day well

01:54:03.960 why don't you tell me

01:54:04.720 what happened

01:54:05.340 yeah I mean the dog

01:54:07.740 comment was so

01:54:08.740 ridiculous that this

01:54:09.560 kid made that it was

01:54:10.660 at the lunch table

01:54:11.620 one day I was waiting

01:54:13.420 in line for lunch and

01:54:14.480 I said to him like

01:54:15.440 yeah man that dog you

01:54:16.300 got's huge or

01:54:17.700 something to that

01:54:18.180 effect and he's like

01:54:18.840 yeah no fuck anybody

01:54:19.700 up it was it was

01:54:21.320 pretty threatening

01:54:22.140 and you know I was

01:54:24.480 getting concerned

01:54:25.160 after they started

01:54:26.440 reporting me as a

01:54:27.320 stalker that they were

01:54:28.020 ready to show up at my

01:54:28.840 house and do some

01:54:29.520 damage you could I was

01:54:31.280 just making a judgment

01:54:32.040 call you could tell

01:54:32.820 these kids were really

01:54:33.620 out of their mind and

01:54:35.120 people like that at the

01:54:36.520 time are willing to do

01:54:37.480 violence to get rid of

01:54:38.520 white supremacy so I did

01:54:40.220 not want it to escalate to

01:54:41.200 that point the whole email

01:54:42.200 that you just quoted from

01:54:43.300 is de-escalatory and

01:54:44.860 copied to HR because I

01:54:46.680 wanted their help in

01:54:47.440 de-escalating this

01:54:48.080 situation it had been

01:54:48.880 going on for more than

01:54:50.140 trying to hide

01:54:50.500 anything you cc'd HR

01:54:52.060 on it exactly by the

01:54:54.000 way who filed the HR

01:54:55.120 complaint was it both

01:54:55.940 of them I'm not sure

01:54:58.120 right there were

01:54:58.880 actually it was it was

01:55:00.880 the oboe player and

01:55:01.800 another girl that he

01:55:02.860 had kind of co-opted

01:55:03.980 into being his

01:55:04.840 henchwoman who's now

01:55:06.300 gone from the

01:55:06.820 orchestra she joined

01:55:07.560 another orchestra but

01:55:08.580 that's a free beacon

01:55:09.980 spoke with a bunch of

01:55:11.480 orchestra members all of

01:55:13.140 whom said this is

01:55:14.720 ridiculous James is

01:55:16.280 amazing James would

01:55:17.640 never stalk anybody

01:55:18.680 James would never

01:55:19.960 harm anybody that is

01:55:22.060 absolutely impossible

01:55:23.540 but notwithstanding

01:55:25.100 that less than a week

01:55:27.880 later what did the

01:55:29.200 orchestra do well they

01:55:32.000 put me on probation

01:55:32.840 first because they're

01:55:34.080 my biggest ally in

01:55:35.220 management the chief

01:55:35.900 operating orchestra the

01:55:37.120 chief operating officer I

01:55:39.460 should say was out of

01:55:40.760 town he was on my side

01:55:42.760 of this whole fiasco and

01:55:44.120 you know I this is this

01:55:47.160 is the crowning detail of

01:55:48.440 the whole story they

01:55:49.220 suspended me and I

01:55:50.840 called my my buddy in

01:55:52.360 management and saying I

01:55:53.100 want to come back

01:55:53.720 tomorrow's my mom's

01:55:54.680 70th birthday she has

01:55:56.240 tickets to the

01:55:56.780 Beethoven Eroica

01:55:57.740 symphony I would like to

01:55:59.440 come back and play it's

01:56:00.480 her 70th and he said no

01:56:01.960 you can't come back and

01:56:02.680 play everyone's afraid of

01:56:03.880 you we've got these these

01:56:05.500 kids in safe houses we

01:56:06.700 got armed security in

01:56:07.720 front of the building I

01:56:08.440 think you're about to

01:56:09.260 murder them so I said

01:56:10.640 all right in that case if

01:56:11.820 it's getting this bad I

01:56:12.960 want to quit so give me a

01:56:14.440 refund for my mom's

01:56:15.360 tickets and I'll be on

01:56:16.540 my merry way thank you

01:56:17.480 very much and he said

01:56:18.780 okay I'll get you the

01:56:20.300 refund so he goes into

01:56:21.800 the ticket system he

01:56:23.300 looks for tickets under

01:56:24.700 my name he looks for

01:56:26.180 tickets under my mom's

01:56:27.380 name and cannot find

01:56:28.620 them because my dad

01:56:29.900 bought the tickets for

01:56:30.760 my mom as a birthday

01:56:31.560 present which leads them

01:56:32.900 to conclude I made up

01:56:34.340 the story about my mom's

01:56:35.340 70th birthday therefore I

01:56:36.820 am insane and out of my

01:56:37.960 mind and not to be

01:56:38.960 reasoned with and they

01:56:40.140 fired me because they

01:56:41.060 can't find tickets in

01:56:41.980 their own system it

01:56:43.080 sounds like I'm making

01:56:43.840 this up but this is how

01:56:44.680 ridiculous these people

01:56:46.380 are they're totally

01:56:47.380 incompetent and I got

01:56:48.700 hung out to dry I lost

01:56:49.780 tens of thousands of

01:56:50.840 dollars over this and my

01:56:51.900 entire career and all

01:56:53.200 future prospects because

01:56:54.740 these jackasses can't use

01:56:56.480 their own ticket system

01:56:57.520 it sounds like I'm making

01:56:58.720 this up but it's all out

01:56:59.920 there I have all the

01:57:00.680 receipts from all of

01:57:01.560 this I mean I wish I

01:57:02.980 could say it sounds made

01:57:04.000 up but I've covered so

01:57:05.100 many of these cases where

01:57:06.380 honestly like the white

01:57:07.540 guy or the white gal gets

01:57:08.980 railroaded because of some

01:57:11.160 DEI obsessed person who

01:57:14.360 is usually white who's

01:57:16.560 like the most ardent

01:57:17.700 enforcers of this bizarre

01:57:19.080 regime tend to be crazy

01:57:21.060 white liberals who want

01:57:23.280 to make themselves feel

01:57:24.040 better by making you

01:57:25.360 suffer because you don't

01:57:26.640 buy into their same

01:57:27.440 ideology so now what

01:57:29.740 happened to you like what

01:57:30.560 what have you been doing

01:57:31.240 from 2020 to now when you

01:57:33.780 auditioned for the

01:57:34.740 Knoxville orchestra so

01:57:37.060 three weeks after this whole

01:57:38.820 thing culminated the

01:57:40.280 pandemic hit so everyone

01:57:41.840 was fired essentially and

01:57:43.300 this whole scenario with me

01:57:44.920 got swept to the back

01:57:45.940 burner and the orchestra

01:57:48.280 spent the entire pandemic

01:57:49.940 trotting out the black

01:57:51.860 oboist as a hero he got

01:57:53.320 all kinds of social

01:57:54.140 justice money he went on

01:57:55.360 all kinds of programs and

01:57:57.200 got all kinds of

01:57:57.880 appointments at universities

01:57:59.860 and boards of directors at

01:58:01.320 conservatories and he

01:58:02.960 became a superstar on this

01:58:04.260 I on the other hand spent

01:58:05.460 the entire pandemic in this

01:58:08.020 basement learning to write

01:58:08.980 computer software I

01:58:10.060 learned to code I went

01:58:11.400 out and did the meme and

01:58:12.780 now I work in big tech

01:58:13.920 where I've been for the

01:58:14.620 last five years and when

01:58:16.280 things opened up after the

01:58:17.160 pandemic I went back to

01:58:18.280 playing sessions there's

01:58:19.420 quite a few session

01:58:21.160 contractors who wouldn't

01:58:22.200 hire me for a while but I

01:58:23.340 have one really loyal

01:58:24.320 contractor who believes in

01:58:25.980 me and knows I'm the best

01:58:27.120 player so on the side of my

01:58:29.180 tech job I do you know I

01:58:30.300 teach a little bit and I

01:58:31.680 play sessions all the time

01:58:32.900 which is how I've been able

01:58:35.280 to get my playing into the

01:58:36.360 movies and onto Netflix

01:58:37.620 and at Barack Obama's

01:58:39.820 second inauguration you

01:58:40.840 know it's all that's my

01:58:41.460 recorded playing everywhere

01:58:42.520 there's a much better

01:58:43.680 chance Megan that you've

01:58:44.760 heard my playing than you

01:58:45.700 have not heard my playing

01:58:46.760 so that's what I do now I

01:58:48.620 freelance and I do tech

01:58:50.940 until this last summer when

01:58:53.080 a friend from Knoxville who

01:58:54.900 I played with a violinist he

01:58:56.420 said hey man I don't know

01:58:58.400 if you're looking to get

01:58:58.920 back into the game but I

01:59:00.300 know your story I've been

01:59:01.380 following you it's insane and

01:59:04.380 we're looking for a

01:59:05.140 principal clarinetist so you

01:59:06.100 should come out and I

01:59:07.180 thought hmm that's an

01:59:08.980 interesting proposition

01:59:09.800 because Knoxville's kind of

01:59:10.920 a smaller regional

01:59:12.000 orchestra I think I could

01:59:13.420 keep my tech job I

01:59:14.740 wouldn't have to move

01:59:15.760 okay let's see if I can

01:59:17.360 get back on the horse get

01:59:19.020 back into Olympic shape

01:59:20.260 because Megan you got to

01:59:21.620 practice for these blind

01:59:22.640 auditions like hours and

01:59:23.900 hours a day and I've got

01:59:25.720 an eight I got a nine to

01:59:26.680 five tech job I've got a

01:59:27.880 wife I've got three kids

01:59:28.940 I've got a life so I'm

01:59:30.280 practicing all night my

01:59:32.200 kids are going to the bed

01:59:33.040 to the sound of me

01:59:33.880 practicing they're waking

01:59:35.060 up to the sound of me

01:59:36.020 practicing all day long on

01:59:37.760 Saturdays you know I put

01:59:38.680 all my landscaping projects

01:59:40.380 and other endeavors on the

01:59:41.980 side to practice for this

01:59:43.100 audition and I showed up

01:59:44.920 and won just to find out

01:59:46.760 that I'm unhirable so I'm

01:59:48.840 kind of back where I

01:59:49.500 started I'm doing tech

01:59:50.900 playing sessions and

01:59:52.360 talking about how

01:59:53.640 ridiculous the whole

01:59:54.660 orchestra business has

01:59:55.640 become putting meritocracy

01:59:57.280 to the side for DEI it's

01:59:59.560 just a damn shame so and

02:00:02.120 how much was this job

02:00:03.080 going to pay so it was

02:00:05.300 going to amount to like

02:00:06.300 a thousand bucks a week

02:00:07.280 you know which in my

02:00:08.980 situation it's not like

02:00:09.640 you're not going to get

02:00:10.060 rich off of it but at

02:00:12.020 least you're getting paid

02:00:12.660 for doing what you love

02:00:13.500 exactly it was going to

02:00:14.940 be fun and it was going

02:00:16.060 to be my foot back in the

02:00:17.360 door and I didn't really

02:00:19.560 think too far beyond

02:00:21.840 what's going to happen if

02:00:22.920 I actually win I just

02:00:24.080 said you know the only

02:00:24.680 thing I can control here

02:00:25.820 going into the competition

02:00:27.260 is get my best playing

02:00:29.040 back because I don't play

02:00:30.900 as much as I used to when

02:00:31.920 I was the principal

02:00:32.680 clarinet of the Nashville

02:00:33.380 Symphony I'm playing

02:00:34.100 hours and hours a day

02:00:35.140 now I go weeks without

02:00:36.440 practicing sometimes so

02:00:37.680 I'm sort of out of

02:00:39.060 shape if this is the

02:00:40.260 major leagues but you

02:00:41.240 tuned up literally yeah

02:00:43.340 and got and got back in

02:00:44.780 shape and then this

02:00:46.300 happens and they make no

02:00:47.600 secret of the fact you

02:00:48.600 say she said right to you

02:00:49.800 the woman running the

02:00:50.680 Knoxville orchestra that

02:00:52.320 given the past issues at

02:00:54.280 the Nashville orchestra

02:00:55.940 she wasn't going to give

02:00:57.320 you the job even though

02:00:58.300 they'd already told you

02:00:59.000 you were the best on the

02:01:00.240 blind audition you won

02:01:01.780 which is really I mean

02:01:03.180 it feels retaliatory and

02:01:06.480 so you decided this time

02:01:08.540 not to take it lying

02:01:10.000 down and you filed a

02:01:12.280 lawsuit and by the way

02:01:14.240 Harmeet Dillon she is the

02:01:16.100 hero of our show today

02:01:17.060 this is her second

02:01:17.940 mention who heads up the

02:01:19.300 civil rights division of

02:01:20.120 the DOJ has already

02:01:22.000 expressed interest in your

02:01:23.460 case because it's illegal

02:01:25.040 to discriminate against

02:01:26.460 white people on the

02:01:27.480 basis of their skin color

02:01:28.620 two and if this woman is

02:01:30.560 retaliating against you for

02:01:33.160 you exercising your

02:01:35.600 rights back when you were

02:01:37.500 at the other orchestra and

02:01:39.660 saying you don't have the

02:01:40.860 right to fire me just

02:01:41.800 because I have white skin

02:01:42.820 and I'm not going to bend

02:01:43.740 the knee they could be in

02:01:45.100 some trouble so that's your

02:01:47.120 theory what has the

02:01:48.520 Knoxville orchestra said

02:01:49.840 since you filed your claim

02:01:51.080 and what are you what are you

02:01:52.020 hoping to get so I haven't

02:01:55.240 heard anything from

02:01:55.860 Knoxville yet but I'm sure

02:01:57.900 their phones have been

02:01:58.500 ringing these last couple

02:01:59.440 days I stayed silent after I

02:02:02.480 lost the audition because

02:02:03.600 right after or after I won

02:02:05.280 the audition and lost the

02:02:06.180 opportunity to get the job I

02:02:07.980 started you know talking to

02:02:09.280 my friends that I've made on

02:02:10.420 X and I got a lot of

02:02:11.400 connections because of my

02:02:12.540 Nashville story and I was

02:02:14.460 led to a foundation in

02:02:15.560 Washington DC that takes on

02:02:16.740 cases like this I picked up

02:02:18.260 some local council and we're

02:02:19.780 suing on two counts one of

02:02:21.140 them is called Tennessee's

02:02:23.800 promissory estoppel doctrine

02:02:25.220 in which I had reason to

02:02:26.820 believe estoppel sorry I'm

02:02:29.080 just a clarinet player no

02:02:30.560 so they they gave me reason

02:02:35.420 to believe that they were

02:02:36.140 going to hire me I sent my

02:02:37.320 resume my resume shows that I

02:02:39.100 was gone from the Nashville

02:02:40.160 symphony since 2020 my story

02:02:42.080 is out there they could have

02:02:43.200 done some background checks

02:02:44.400 but they were too lazy to do

02:02:45.520 that but I had every reason to

02:02:47.740 believe that they knew who I

02:02:48.700 was and they were willing to

02:02:51.500 hire me if I won the audition

02:02:52.680 so I'm suing them for you

02:02:55.060 know the 25,000 I'm I picked

02:02:57.060 $25,000 for my time spent

02:02:59.260 practicing and a year's salary

02:03:01.100 so that's what I'm hoping to

02:03:02.480 get in terms of financial

02:03:04.760 compensation but big and my

02:03:06.480 second count is that they

02:03:08.600 discriminated against me

02:03:10.080 because of skin color and

02:03:11.300 hired a non-white player who

02:03:13.940 was my runner-up in the

02:03:15.280 audition now that's a big

02:03:17.580 accomplishment he of all the

02:03:19.040 players except me he he bested

02:03:21.240 them all but he happens to be

02:03:23.240 non-white so it's not so

02:03:25.140 obvious whether it was a DEI

02:03:26.660 hire or not but you can

02:03:27.700 think of these people like

02:03:29.060 Rachel Ford saying hmm if we

02:03:31.000 just kick James Zimmerman to

02:03:32.160 the curb we can get a non-white

02:03:33.460 player in the orchestra and

02:03:34.420 that'll up our diversity

02:03:35.380 numbers since this is all

02:03:36.540 these people apparently care

02:03:37.680 about it does have a little

02:03:39.300 bit of the stench of DEI on

02:03:41.020 top it on top of it but how

02:03:43.520 would you like to be this kid

02:03:44.680 who's still in college he shows

02:03:46.840 up to the audition and all of

02:03:48.020 his colleagues say hey

02:03:49.260 congratulations none of us

02:03:51.040 voted for you at the audition

02:03:52.280 we all wanted James

02:03:53.260 Zimmerman but I'm sure you're

02:03:54.700 going to do just fine and by

02:03:56.060 the way there's this huge

02:03:57.120 lawsuit about this situation

02:03:58.920 stinking up the joint like

02:04:00.960 that's a terrible situation to

02:04:02.820 put somebody in so I really

02:04:04.700 feel for the kid you know we

02:04:05.740 clarinetists have somewhat of

02:04:06.880 a brotherhood so I'm rooting

02:04:08.680 for him to do well and get

02:04:09.880 out of there I know how about

02:04:12.700 that if we're ever in the same

02:04:14.100 city we should play some duets

02:04:15.320 I'd love to I'll play I'll

02:04:16.700 play first you can play the

02:04:17.820 second part but you know I

02:04:20.180 accept I accept I will be the

02:04:21.860 one faking the clarinet

02:04:22.780 movement so that anybody has

02:04:24.340 a shot of thinking you're

02:04:25.460 playing is mine there we go

02:04:27.180 I what we needed here was

02:04:29.120 someone with courage and this

02:04:32.640 woman who runs the Knoxville

02:04:34.160 Orchestra did not show any

02:04:35.880 courage whatsoever you should

02:04:37.200 be brought back you should be

02:04:38.520 given the opportunity to do

02:04:39.540 the thing that you're great at

02:04:40.760 and that you love and this

02:04:42.860 ridiculous incident that was

02:04:45.120 happening right before but as

02:04:48.560 we built up to George Floyd

02:04:49.900 a Palooza when the nation was

02:04:51.420 suffering from a temporary

02:04:52.540 insanity should not be held

02:04:54.760 against you that's very clear

02:04:56.580 and if it has to happen via a

02:04:58.500 lawsuit or a civil rights

02:04:59.880 department investigation so be

02:05:01.500 it but it takes guts for you to

02:05:03.840 make a deal out of it James

02:05:04.980 because I know no one ever wants

02:05:06.480 to be the squeaky wheel that's

02:05:08.360 why you know kind of go along to

02:05:09.780 get along so that you don't get

02:05:11.060 fired and that you can get the

02:05:12.240 next job but this can't keep

02:05:13.900 happening can't keep happening

02:05:15.240 in general can't keep happening

02:05:16.480 to you we deserve to be able to

02:05:18.620 hear you the people in Knoxville

02:05:20.220 just got robbed the people in

02:05:21.440 Nashville got robbed and I want

02:05:24.220 to leave the audience with this

02:05:25.720 someone who goes by violinophile on

02:05:29.020 X retweeted your story and offered

02:05:32.880 this comment an important point

02:05:35.280 about this story I'm not seeing

02:05:36.780 mentioned is that what James

02:05:38.520 pulled off was a sort of miracle

02:05:40.460 he had achieved a high-level

02:05:42.540 principal position rare enough

02:05:44.580 got canceled then slugged his way

02:05:47.340 back and won another principal

02:05:49.760 position it was a real hero's

02:05:52.180 journey that was of course until it

02:05:55.880 was ruined again by another

02:05:58.100 orchestra director who had no spine

02:06:00.780 I hope it works out for you James

02:06:02.680 thank you so much for coming on and

02:06:04.080 telling your story it's been great

02:06:06.500 Megan thank you so much all the best

02:06:08.720 wow oh it's just to me it's just it's

02:06:14.400 heart-wrenching to hear these

02:06:15.460 stories we've talked to so many

02:06:17.280 people to whom this has happened

02:06:18.580 they they they drove him nuts by this

02:06:23.600 nonsense obsession with race he sent

02:06:28.160 one email which wasn't even that was

02:06:30.940 not threatening he's saying hey you

02:06:32.760 got a nasty dog we happen to have a gun

02:06:34.900 he's basically saying you you're

02:06:37.240 threatening to mess with me don't

02:06:39.180 um the other guy didn't get fired for

02:06:41.580 the dog comment right like only James

02:06:43.940 why because the one side this is how it

02:06:46.820 appears was supporting DEI and he

02:06:48.420 wasn't this is just it's ridiculous and

02:06:51.760 honestly Knoxville you're the most

02:06:53.240 ridiculous of all that you wouldn't

02:06:55.560 hire him six seven years after the fact

02:06:59.240 because of this this woman should have to

02:07:02.040 explain herself why what is it is it

02:07:05.020 because you saw somebody who was who

02:07:07.060 was not white who was behind James and

02:07:09.300 that's a much safer hire for you as he

02:07:11.520 alleges where where is the orchestra

02:07:14.400 conductor with balls to do what's right

02:07:19.100 I I look forward to finding them because

02:07:21.000 James Zimmerman should not be left on

02:07:22.840 the sidelines okay thanks to everyone for

02:07:25.300 listening thanks for listening to the

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 06, 2026

Kohberger Family Whitewashing, Trump on Maduro Dancing, and Symphony DEI, with Glenn Greenwald, Rich Lowry, and Clarinetist James Zimmermann ｜ Ep. 1224

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