The Megyn Kelly Show - Kristi Noem Shoots Her Puppy, Cringe Kamala Interview, and Campus Chaos Continues, with Michael Knowles ｜ Ep. 777

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.920 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. It's Monday and a lot has

00:00:17.120 happened since the last time we spoke. President Biden went on Howard Stern and then entertained

00:00:22.980 all of his buddies in the press corps at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. I was invited.

00:00:28.180 I declined to go. This, as a new CNN poll, points to a potential disaster for his campaign.

00:00:35.160 Oh, and congratulations to your puppy at home if he made it through the weekend alive,

00:00:40.880 doing a lot better than Kristi Noem's dog. I'm sorry, it's over. She's not going to be the vice

00:00:46.400 president. Trump is not going to pick her now. He's too smart. He wouldn't pick somebody who

00:00:51.040 has managed to do the impossible and unite Democrats and Republicans alike in their anger for this woman 0.99

00:00:57.560 who shot her puppy in the face. The fact that she thought this would make her look tough

00:01:03.220 and become loved by the American populace shows how clueless she is. All right? It was bad enough

00:01:12.380 that she allegedly had an affair with Corey Lewandowski. Now we find out she shot her puppy

00:01:18.160 in the face because the puppy was, and I quote, having the time of her life was, quote, the picture

00:01:24.480 of pure joy. And then she shot her because she ate some chickens that Kristi Noem put in front of her 0.99

00:01:32.140 and didn't behave all that well out on her first trip hunting. This is unbelievable. I'm sorry.

00:01:38.660 There's something wrong with this whole thing. I don't know what's wrong with Kristi Noem, but she's not 0.99

00:01:43.920 going to be the vice president. Okay? It's not going to happen. We've got a lot to get to. And we

00:01:48.000 start with Michael Knowles. He's the host of the Daily Wire's Michael Knowles show. Michael, welcome

00:01:55.500 back. Marvelous to be with you, Megan. Thank you for having me. Well, let's just kick it off there

00:01:59.540 because I know from your tweet, we may disagree on the crazy Kristi Noem story. Who shoots their puppy 0.57

00:02:06.260 in the face? Listen, I don't, I don't want to be the one person out here defending Kristi Noem. I agree

00:02:14.000 with you. She's probably out of the veep stakes. I don't, I don't really care that much about Kristi

00:02:18.920 Noem. And I agree with you. It's bad politics to shoot your puppy in the face and then to brag

00:02:26.480 about it. I agree. This is political campaign school 101. It's not a smart thing to do. However,

00:02:33.540 however, in Kristi Noem's defense, who do you want to be a governor of your state? Do you want 0.99

00:02:39.820 someone who's really nice and sensitive and feeling, or do you want some cold-blooded killer

00:02:45.340 who takes cricket out to the gavel pit and puts cricket down like old yeller because he ate all 0.69

00:02:50.220 the chickens? You don't, you want the really nice. No, you can choose someone who's tough and not a puppy

00:02:57.060 killer. That's like, they're calling her the Jeffrey Dahmer of dogs. This is, she seemed to

00:03:03.920 enjoy it. She lost her temper. I'll read the piece from the guardian. Okay. We haven't seen her book

00:03:09.700 yet, but this is the excerpt from the guardian, which she's not denying. Um, this is her story.

00:03:16.380 Just to make it clear in her book, this isn't like some tabloid outed it and she's denying it.

00:03:22.900 It's, they got a copy of her book in advance. Cricket was a wire hair pointer about 14 months 0.94

00:03:28.860 old. She writes in her new book and, uh, she said the dog had quote, an aggressive personality and

00:03:35.440 needed to be trained to be used for hunting pheasant. Uh, she says she includes a story to

00:03:41.300 show how she's willing to do anything difficult, messy, and ugly. If it needs to be done by taking

00:03:46.400 cricket on a pheasant hunt with older dogs, Noem says she hoped to Kong, calm the young dog down.

00:03:51.800 All right. First of all, who thinks an overly excitable young dog is going to calm down on

00:03:58.580 a pheasant hunt with other dogs? That's stupid, right? Hello. Why don't you just put it in front

00:04:04.520 of a bunch, a bunch of birds. It naturally wants to kill and its ancestors have been trained for

00:04:08.700 generations to kill. And that'll bring, it'll be just like a Xanax for the dog. Um, unfortunately

00:04:14.640 cricket ruined the hunt going quote out of her mind with excitement, chasing all those birds 0.97

00:04:20.900 and having the time of her life. This would be the beginning of cricket's death sentence for

00:04:25.860 governor. Noem go. Noem describes calling cricket, uh, and then using an electronic collar to attempt

00:04:31.800 to bring her under control. Nothing worked. Then on the way home after the hunt, as known stopped

00:04:35.880 to talk to a local family, cricket escaped knowns, knowns truck and attacked the family's chickens

00:04:42.980 quote, grabbing one chicken at a time, crunching it to death with one bite, then dropping it to

00:04:48.920 attack another. Okay. Do you know what my stradwick would do if I brought him near a chicken farm or

00:04:55.700 anywhere near there was, there were chickens, he would do exactly the same thing. And he is the

00:05:00.100 sweetest big glug you've ever seen. They're dogs. They see this as food, as prey. He doesn't,

00:05:06.680 the dog didn't understand that it wasn't for him to eat, but she refused to train him.

00:05:13.340 He's the sweetest dog. Tell that to the chickens. Won't somebody please think of the chickens.

00:05:18.760 It occurs to me that, that this memoir, this episode that Christy Noem is recounting,

00:05:23.400 it's sort of the opposite of Richard Nixon's checkers speech. When, when the left was attacking

00:05:28.960 Richard Nixon, really trying to push him out of politics, he realized that by hugging this little

00:05:34.000 puppy, he could win support from everyone. And so he said, you know, the, the one gift I'm not

00:05:38.540 going to give up is this sweet little dog checkers. Uh, well, uh, Christy Noem, uh, must have missed 0.81

00:05:43.260 that lesson in political class or she took the opposite, uh, notes from it. But, but in any case,

00:05:48.100 I think we all know what she was thinking here. She was thinking that she's a female politician. 1.00

00:05:53.760 And so she has a weakness because she's a member of what has traditionally been described as the

00:05:58.220 weaker sex. She's got to make herself look really tough. She, if she wants to be a leader, 1.00

00:06:02.520 she's got to look like the iron lady, she's got to pull a Maggie Thatcher. And she thought that this 1.00

00:06:06.680 would accomplish that and appeal to her audience. So, uh, it didn't work, obviously. It, it was a

00:06:12.960 pretty grisly killing. We haven't even gotten to the part where, where, uh, Governor Noem then turns

00:06:17.340 her guns on some poor goat that was also old and smelly and angry and then shot the goat like 1.00

00:06:22.760 multiple times. And it was a grisly account, but, but if we can take ourselves away from the emotion

00:06:28.320 of it, Megan, I guess this is my broader point. I don't think there's anything wrong with humanely

00:06:34.780 killing an animal on a farm. Could she have done something different? Could she have given it up

00:06:39.380 for adoption? Could she have sent it to a farm upstate? Maybe. Right. Like the horse is suffering

00:06:44.340 and he has to be put down. Everyone gets that. She wouldn't be getting the blowback that she's 0.95

00:06:49.200 getting now. Or the dog had bit 17 people. It was a mature dog. She tried to rehab and train it.

00:06:55.500 Maybe then this dog was 14 months old. And I'll tell you something we've been hearing from dog

00:07:01.560 trainers all weekend since this broke. And I'm going to get to the details of what she did,

00:07:06.020 but, uh, dog trainers are saying things like the following. Um, this is a guy named Dan

00:07:11.160 Lucen quoted in Rolling Stone professional hunting dog trainer saying a 14 month old dog is quote,

00:07:17.180 a baby that doesn't know any better. To me, it's a lack of guidance by the owner or training by the

00:07:22.720 owner or discipline of the owner. He says, explaining that young bird hunting dogs in

00:07:27.320 training often go through a slow process of introduction to dead fowl before ever being

00:07:34.680 around gunshots. There are a lot of steps. He says that you take before you take it to a field

00:07:39.780 and shoot birds over it. Hello. That's obvious. Even to those of us that don't have traditional

00:07:46.360 bird hunting dogs, labs are meant to go retrieve the dead carcasses. Go ahead.

00:07:49.660 And Megan, I think this, this dog trainer has accidentally hit on the real point here,

00:07:54.700 which is even 20, 30, 40 years ago, people probably wouldn't have thought this was a smart

00:08:01.180 political story, but they wouldn't have become so enraged as they are now. And I think part of the

00:08:06.060 reason why people are getting enraged over Kristi Noem, taking her dog out back like old yeller, 1.00

00:08:10.460 even a little young dog 20 years ago is because we now view dogs as babies. That's what that trainer

00:08:16.340 said. It's a little baby. And today I'm, I'm not going to name which family member of mine.

00:08:21.480 It was, I have a family member who purchased a dog. He rescued a dog from a very expensive breeder

00:08:26.680 in Texas, flew a guardian down to pick up the little dog. Then they flew back to New Jersey.

00:08:33.220 Then this relative of mine bought a stroller, a nice expensive stroller to stroll the little dog

00:08:39.140 around so that the little doggies unvaccinated paws wouldn't touch the nasty sidewalks of New York and

00:08:44.840 New Jersey. This is crazy. And you don't need to take my word for it. The Holy Father, Pope Francis

00:08:50.060 has said, we are living in a culture now that is mistaking animals, especially puppies for children.

00:08:56.940 So as we have fewer and fewer children and not even through natural infertility, but choosing to

00:09:01.700 have fewer children, choosing not to get married, we, we all of a sudden start to treat animals like

00:09:06.700 their kids. And look, I'm all for the puppies. You're off. You're wrong. You're wrong. This is not

00:09:12.220 it at all. This fine people. I mean, people have gone so far, forget dogs. They have monkeys. Now

00:09:17.440 they call them monk kids. They put them in diapers. They dress them. Yes. There's a problem there, but 0.58

00:09:21.980 America loves its dogs. They're not replacements for children. Nine times out of 10. They're in addition

00:09:29.280 to the family that are messy and a hassle and difficult and awesome. And you get them because

00:09:35.280 it's fun to love them and have them love you and play with them and teach your children how to care

00:09:39.740 for animals and all of that. So this is, Oh, this is thing is stretched across party lines. It's true.

00:09:45.500 Democrats and Republicans are outraged by her behavior because dogs tend to be extremely sweet. 0.95

00:09:52.160 And the fact that this puppy killed chickens, which are below him or her cricket was a she on the, 0.97

00:10:00.160 the, you know, evolutionary scale, right? Thank you. Doesn't say anything about how aggressive it was.

00:10:07.260 And she talks about how cricket allegedly came for her as she tried to get it away from its meal,

00:10:13.800 the chicken and cricket snapped at her again, uh, many dogs that aren't aggressive would do that 0.51

00:10:20.500 because they see it as their food. It needs to be trained. She goes on to say cricket behaved like a

00:10:28.880 quote, trained assassin. When no one finally grabbed cricket, she says, and by the way, another dumbass 0.53

00:10:35.400 move to bring your puppy by a chicken farm before you've trained it after you brought it out on a

00:10:41.400 pheasant hunt, thinking it would just know how to behave. Okay. The dog quote whipped around to bite

00:10:46.380 me. Right. Cause you were trying to take food out of its mouth. Then as the chickens owner wept,

00:10:52.340 that's also a problem. I don't know who's crying over their chickens. Okay. But that's,

00:10:56.500 I guess you get attached to your chicken. Emily's a naughty. She would tell me. So no,

00:11:00.840 no, she, she, she wrote, I'm only, I'm only sympathetic to the cute animals. I've told my

00:11:07.320 audiences before she, she wrote the shocked family, a check. Okay. That was the right thing

00:11:12.700 for Christie gnome to do for the price they asked. And, um, then help them dispose of the carcasses,

00:11:18.940 littering the scene of the crime through it all. Gnome says cricket was the picture of pure joy.

00:11:25.400 Then she adds, I hated that dog adding that cricket had proved herself untrainable,

00:11:31.980 dangerous to anyone she came in contact with and less than worthless as a hunting dog.

00:11:37.860 At that moment, I realized I had to put her down quote unquote gnome, uh, then led cricket to a gravel

00:11:44.660 pit quote. It was not a pleasant job, but it had to be done. And after it was over,

00:11:49.560 I realized another unpleasant job needed to be done. The guardian incredibly gnomes tale of slaughter

00:11:55.780 is not finished. Her family, she writes also owned a male goat that was nasty and mean

00:12:00.500 because it had not been castrated. Furthermore, the goat smelled disgusting, musky, rancid,

00:12:05.280 and loved to chase gnomes children, knocking them down and ruining what their safety. They're well,

00:12:10.460 no, their clothes getting their clothes dirty. Michael, gnome decided to kill that guy too.

00:12:16.380 The same way she just killed cricket, the dog though. She dragged him to the gravel pit. The

00:12:21.160 goat jumped out as she shot and therefore survived the wound. Gnome went back to her truck, retrieved

00:12:27.860 another shell, then hurried back to the gravel pit and put him down as well. At that point, she writes,

00:12:33.480 she realized a construction crew had watched her kill both animals. The startled workers swiftly got back 0.98

00:12:38.300 to work, she writes, only for a school bus to arrive and drop off gnome's children. Kennedy,

00:12:44.000 her child, looked around confused, this is her daughter, and asked, where's cricket? Cricket's

00:12:50.280 dead, shot in the face by mommy, Kennedy, who's now bragging about it in a book. There's no coming

00:12:57.740 back from this. She tried this morning, I'm reading that guy, Dan Lassen, Michael, to do like a

00:13:04.720 corrective tweet, you know, something to like stem the bleeding, saying, I can understand why some

00:13:10.120 people are upset about a 20-year-old story of cricket, one of the working dogs at our ranch in

00:13:14.760 my upcoming book. The book is filled with many honest stories in my life, good and bad days,

00:13:18.940 challenges, painful decisions, and lessons, blah, blah, blah, blah. The ratio on this, you know,

00:13:23.460 meaning people who comment, people who liked it, 17,000. People who have commented so far, 26,000.

00:13:30.980 The earlier two tweets, wishing a happy birthday to Melania Trump, completely ratioed as well. 9,000

00:13:37.440 liked it, yeah, 7,000 and climbing on the dislikes and the comments, and then she tried, we love

00:13:43.820 animals, but tough decisions like this happen all the time on a farm. Sadly, we just had to put down

00:13:48.900 three horses, blah, blah, blah. Harsh ratio on that one, too. America's not having it. 6,000 likes,

00:13:55.540 22,000 comments. This is, honestly, this is political malpractice, and she's managed to piss off 1.00

00:14:04.500 98% of all dog and pet lovers in America. It will be studied for generations to come in

00:14:11.020 poli-sci classes as a really dumb move. There's no question. My last defense, though, of Governor

00:14:16.880 Noem, as you read that tale, I think we're getting this image of Governor Noem as Patrick Bateman in

00:14:23.600 American Psycho. You know, Cricket, do you like Huey Lewis and the News, kind of putting on the smock

00:14:27.880 and everything? And it's not, it'd be one thing if she were torturing this animal, but she just kind

00:14:32.400 of took him out back, said, look at the flowers, George, you know, and did a little of mice and men

00:14:36.640 kind of action, a little old yeller action. And so she's having the time of her life.

00:14:43.140 As this psycho dog was gleeful, you know, at the bodies of the chickens, you know, 0.97

00:14:47.360 tossing them in the air. It wasn't psycho. That's normal. That's normal behavior.

00:14:52.160 My dog, every time Stredwick sees a squirrel or a rabbit run across our property, he's almost

00:14:59.380 frothing at the mouth. He's so excited. If he were just a little faster, he'd be killing them

00:15:04.220 every day, but he's kind of fat and a little slow, so he can't do it. He's a dog. Don't get a dog if

00:15:10.840 you don't want something that's going to eat smaller critters running across your property,

00:15:14.920 and don't bring your damn dog to the chicken farm. Look, that is a very great point. And first

00:15:19.780 of all, you certainly shouldn't bring your dog to South Dakota these days. I would definitely keep

00:15:23.360 it, you know, away from that state. But it's in their nature. Absolutely. And I totally agree with

00:15:27.940 you that it's in their nature. The political problem with all of this is, as I mentioned,

00:15:34.220 earlier, that sometimes we, I think we anthropomorphize our animals a little too much.

00:15:39.840 So Philip Raines, the former spokesman for Hillary Clinton, top aide to the Clintons for many years,

00:15:45.280 he went on TV, on CNN, to talk about, you know, Cricket Gate. And he said, this is dreadful.

00:15:52.060 I have two cats. I love animals. I actually prefer animals to humans. And I think a lot of people

00:15:57.640 agree with that these days. But animals, as we were talking about the order of creation,

00:16:01.720 they are less than human, because they don't have rational souls. That's why when they bite

00:16:06.020 chickens, we don't put them on trial. You know, we don't have multiple prosecutions of dogs or

00:16:11.460 anything like that. And there are two things that I think are true here at once. One is that the

00:16:20.600 animals don't have any particular rights. They don't have a rational soul. They're not going to go to

00:16:24.840 college. They're here to serve us. They're here for our fun and enjoyment. And we're called to be good

00:16:29.680 stewards of them because we have humanity and all this stuff we've just been talking about.

00:16:32.820 And also, and this is probably the more important political fact, people really like their dogs.

00:16:38.520 And if you want people to vote for you, you shouldn't brag about gleefully killing the dogs

00:16:44.420 and then the goats. Who knows? Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree with that. You are clearly not a dog

00:16:50.240 owner, Michael Knowles. Do you? I'm a people person, Megan. You admit you have no dog.

00:16:54.720 I have no dog. I have no dog. I have no cat. I have no goldfish.

00:16:59.500 I was clear to all of us. Here's another one. The Daily Beast interviewed Cole Jensen of Badlands

00:17:05.520 Kennel said wire haired pointers are known as the most aggressive of the hunting breeds. Quote,

00:17:11.000 I find it very unlikely she wouldn't have known that before bringing one home. Quote,

00:17:15.500 it sounds like this dog was just not trained properly. It's a common problem that any trainer

00:17:19.480 worth his salt can help with. Maybe you don't just put a bullet in its brain just before Kennedy

00:17:25.100 gets off the school bus saying, where's cricket? This is so effed up on many levels. I'm dying to

00:17:31.320 know my audience's thoughts. You know what? Maybe we'll take some calls on this throughout the Michael

00:17:35.340 Knowles segment. You guys can call in. What's our number? I always forget our number. What's our,

00:17:38.640 what's our number? You guys hold on. Usually they have it hanging in the studio, so I don't forget it.

00:17:43.220 But Steve Krakauer, what's our number? What is it? Nobody knows it, Michael.

00:17:50.580 You can call my cell phone. I'll put it on. 833-446. What's the last four?

00:17:58.240 3496. Okay. 833-446-3496. 833-446-3496. 446-3496. Okay. Call us and we'll let our audience be the

00:18:09.380 judge. Okay. Was she right to shoot cricket or is Michael Knowles right in saying it's a free-for-all

00:18:16.800 on your puppies? This is going to be, you know, about twice a year I go on C-SPAN's Washington

00:18:24.600 Journal, which has the Democrat phone line, and I just get hit with a barrage of attacks. I think

00:18:31.480 that is going to look like a walk in the park compared to what people are going to send to me

00:18:35.420 over cricket. That's going to be the, that should be the title of Kristi Noem's memoir. Where is

00:18:39.360 cricket? A political life, Governor Kristi Noem. She can't run. Literally, if you ran against her, 1.00

00:18:45.060 every single ad would start with a picture of cricket. And there's a picture, we'll put it on,

00:18:48.160 on for the YouTube show. There's a picture of the dog. It's absolutely adorable. It's so cute.

00:18:52.980 If I could tell you the number, do you have any idea how much money I have spent on trainers for my

00:18:57.160 Strudwick? I mean, we had dog commander, five-time winner, BOW. He came, Strudwick came back. He was

00:19:03.400 well-behaved for five days. He was amazing. And he went back. And then we had another guy who was

00:19:08.320 wonderful. He was a reformed monk. He used to be like, not reformed, but like, you know, was once.

00:19:13.240 He was great. But Strud is a strong personality. And unless you have all day to sit with the dog

00:19:20.980 and reinforce these trainings, sometimes they don't behave. Strud is alive and well. Why? Because I have

00:19:27.580 a heart and I love him. Abby's always saying, I can't believe you kept him. I can't believe you

00:19:32.500 haven't gotten rid of him, like giving him away. Nevermind, killed him. I can't imagine looking a

00:19:37.140 difficult dog in the face and putting a bullet between his eyes. That takes a special kind of

00:19:42.960 coldness. Are you telling me you were never once, as your dog is jumping and breaking things and

00:19:48.860 tearing them, you were never once tempted by the gravel pit? Never, never. The worst I've gotten,

00:19:55.280 Michael, is I've got, I've called poison control so many times and I've had to give the dog the

00:20:01.760 hydrogen peroxide mixed with the yogurt. That's what the vet and the poison control tells you to

00:20:05.940 do. Don't do this at home unless you have the advice on how much hydrogen peroxide, because that

00:20:09.680 can kill the dog if you give too much. Anyway, so many times. And I've spent so many thousands of

00:20:15.100 dollars on endoscopies and the looking at the intestines and all that I, I thought the next time

00:20:21.940 he ate, like he just ate a whole bottle of antibiotics. Okay. So I thought has occurred

00:20:26.740 to me. So I don't, I do give the hydrogen peroxide to get the antibiotics out, but I'm not going to

00:20:38.840 lie. The thoughts occurred to me, like maybe it's Darwinism. Maybe, you know, it's nature. It's

00:20:44.640 nature as we say. Yeah. I could never hurt him. I love him. Even though he aggravates me,

00:20:51.580 I love him. I love him. Not the same way I love my kids, but I adore the dog and you fall in love

00:20:57.800 with most normal humans fall in love with their dogs and would never hurt them. Okay. We're taking

00:21:03.340 your calls right now. Again, my number you're learning as I am 833. I sound like Dr. Laura,

00:21:08.520 my pal, uh, my number 833-446-3496. Abigail Finan is going to come in here and set up my computer so I can

00:21:18.100 take your calls. All right. We've got to talk about George Stephanopoulos who is at it again on his

00:21:23.220 Sunday show, making his best bid to persuade you that Trump is a unique criminal, a unique candidate

00:21:30.320 and not normie in any way, shape or form. And that's why we should all vote against him in his,

00:21:37.620 you know, objective journalist kind of way. So take a listen to what he said. And then I'd love to get

00:21:43.940 your thoughts on it. Um, here it is in slot six. Until now, no American president had ever faced a

00:21:51.320 criminal trial. No American president had ever faced a federal indictment for retaining and

00:21:56.600 concealing classified documents. No American president had ever faced a federal indictment

00:22:02.280 or a state indictment for trying to overturn an election. No American president ever faced hundreds

00:22:07.240 of millions of dollars in judgments for business fraud, defamation and sexual abuse. The scale of

00:22:13.120 the abnormality is so staggering that it can actually become numbing. It's all too easy to

00:22:18.600 fall into reflexive habits, to treat this as a normal campaign where both sides embrace the rule

00:22:24.400 of law. But that is not what's happening this election year. Those bedrock tenets of our democracy

00:22:29.180 are being tested in a way we haven't seen since the civil war. It's a test for the candidates,

00:22:34.440 for those of us in the media and for all of us as citizens.

00:22:37.600 Okay. My thought on listening to that, Michael was okay. I agree with a lot of those points,

00:22:45.840 but we totally disagree on who's to blame, right? The scale of the abnormality is so staggering

00:22:53.500 that it can actually become numbing. It's all too easy to fall into reflective habits,

00:22:59.300 to treat this as a normal campaign where both sides embrace the rule of law. But that's not what's

00:23:05.200 happening this election year. Those bedrock tenets of our democracy are being tested in ways we

00:23:09.560 haven't seen since the civil war. It's a test for all of us. Right. And whose fault is that, George?

00:23:17.220 This abnormality, as he calls it, was entirely inaugurated by his, well, his former boss,

00:23:25.540 actually, because he was the war room leader for the Clintons for many years before he decided to

00:23:30.980 masquerade as an independent journalist, but also for the broader liberal establishment. Yes,

00:23:35.880 it's true. We did not indict presidents and we did not indict leaders of the opposition for most of

00:23:41.760 American history. Who changed that? Who was the one who, why did we not do that? Well, because

00:23:47.980 one, as we're seeing in the trial in New York, there's no such thing as an impartial jury for a

00:23:53.340 former president. Everybody has an opinion of this guy and it has nothing to do with the facts of

00:23:57.900 whatever bogus case they're throwing at him. But, but even, even before all of these indictments,

00:24:02.580 even before the Democrats upended our political order, what about the illegal spying the moment

00:24:08.080 Trump announced that he was going to run for president? That's the first time we've seen that,

00:24:11.960 at least publicly in American history. So what do we make of that? What do we make of changing all

00:24:17.760 the election rules in the weeks and months before the election? What do we make of locking down the

00:24:21.680 whole country? What do we make of unconstitutional widespread mail-in ballots, at least in the case of

00:24:26.400 Pennsylvania? What do we make of all of that abnormality? It reminds me of, of when the

00:24:31.500 Democrats go after the Republicans on the sexual revolution. And they say, you know, these Republicans,

00:24:36.880 they want to stick their nose in your bedroom or something. They want to get involved in your

00:24:42.580 private life. And I think, Hey guys, we're not the ones who peddled abortion on demand. We're not the

00:24:49.100 ones who are pushing all sorts of weird, obscene materials in elementary schools. We're not the

00:24:54.040 ones telling people on the street and naked people on the street and naked men in the women's changing

00:24:59.660 room. And we're forcing our little girls to go in there. We're not the ones who did it. We're just

00:25:03.660 trying to be normal over here and keep things basically as they are, where everyone was happy.

00:25:07.800 You're the aggressors in this culture war. The nerve of Stephanopoulos until now, no American

00:25:13.880 president has ever faced a criminal trial, has ever faced a federal indictment, has ever whatever.

00:25:20.340 So, right. That's why the other side is so mad, George, at you and your side, because it's not

00:25:27.920 that no American president has ever pushed the limits or come up to the edge or done things like

00:25:33.020 steal documents or furniture from the white house. Okay. Just ask yourself. Yeah. I mean,

00:25:38.640 it's a purge of themselves, right? We could keep going all day. It's just that you people are the

00:25:43.620 first ones to try to actually turn these acts into criminal charges and trials in an election year.

00:25:48.800 And it's no accident you waited until the actual election year to bring those charges so that

00:25:55.260 you'd have them on trial for different places. Don't forget, Megan, it was in 2016, as I'm sure

00:26:00.340 you will remember, that you had some of these Republicans chanting, lock her up, lock her up,

00:26:04.740 because Hillary Clinton appeared to engage in some illegal activities, at the very least, 1.00

00:26:10.640 very suspect activities, selling American influence to the highest bidder overseas, the same sort of

00:26:15.900 things that we now have the receipts of the Biden family doing. And so you had all these locker up

00:26:20.500 chants. Trump would joke at his debates and rallies and say, yeah, you don't want me to be president,

00:26:25.600 because if I were president, you'd be in jail. But then guess what happened? We didn't prosecute

00:26:30.260 Hillary Clinton. We didn't actually jail the leader of the opposition. He didn't do it. And at the time,

00:26:35.300 I think, responsible statesmen would have said, well, that's the noble thing to do. Donald Trump

00:26:40.500 actually is remaining within the American political tradition. He's not a tyrant. He's

00:26:45.340 not a dictator. He's not everything that they accused him of being. And now the Democrats are.

00:26:50.280 They actually have become the thing that they accused him of being that he was not and is not

00:26:54.020 today. All right, stand by. We're getting, I'm like, my call list has never been quite this lit up.

00:27:01.160 Let's see. Let's try Stephen in Long Island. Stephen, what are your thoughts on Christy Noem?

00:27:07.200 Hey, everybody. Thank you for taking my call, Megan. You know, we've become pretty numb to almost

00:27:14.220 everything. Nowadays, we could almost, we're tolerating chants of death to America in the

00:27:19.800 streets. We're tolerating men and women's sports and locker rooms, the constant attack on Donald

00:27:25.900 Trump. But bring a pet or an animal into it and nothing fires people up more. And I was considering

00:27:33.400 Kristi Noem on the shortlist for Donald Trump for vice president. And I'm like, oh, that would be

00:27:38.640 great. She seems like a really cool kind of earthy American. She would be a great VP pick now. So done.

00:27:46.420 I'm so turned off. And if Mr. Trump was to pick her, I'd have to go another way and vote for Bobby

00:27:52.420 Kennedy. Thank you, Megan, for taking my call. Thank you for calling in, Stephen. I couldn't agree with

00:27:58.160 what he said. I was with him. I understood what he was saying until the moment that he said he,

00:28:04.560 he would no longer vote for Trump if, I get it. That's a turnoff. And look, there's this irony,

00:28:11.440 of course, which is that, you know, the irony is that the politicians who are attacking Noem for this

00:28:18.040 support abortion, right? So they support killing little kids, but they don't, they don't, they get 0.88

00:28:24.020 offended. But the point is we don't have to vote for a, you'd vote for a Democrat over Trump if he

00:28:28.580 picked it. That seems extreme. Okay. Well, let's get somebody else on. I can't hear you. Let's go

00:28:34.600 to Greg. I don't, I seem to have lost you. Okay. Can you hear me now? Hello, Megan. Can you hear me

00:28:40.160 now? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Great. Hey, thanks for taking my call. Yeah. Um, this woman is just dumber than a 1.00

00:28:47.500 rock. Um, she's an experienced politician. And if her judgment is so poor that she thinks sharing 0.99

00:28:54.260 this story during an election season and a time when she's basically in the running to be

00:29:00.220 Trump's vice president, then she shouldn't be anywhere near sharp scissors or matches because 0.99

00:29:05.520 she is, she is an absolute fool. So, and I'm convinced Trump won't pick this fool for a vice 0.87

00:29:11.940 president. I agree with you. I'm convinced with that. Greg's out in Wyoming and, uh, I'm sure,

00:29:16.900 you know, a thing or two about ranches and open space and getting dogs to behave, but it takes

00:29:22.940 some training. Yeah. I've got an English setter next to me. Yeah. Right now I've got my English

00:29:26.560 setter bird dog right next to me right now. Yeah. Um, all right. Thank you, Greg. I appreciate

00:29:31.840 it. Let's see. Uh, let's go to, uh, let's go to, let me see. There's lots of folks, Jerry in New

00:29:39.420 Jersey. Jerry, what's on your mind? Hi, Megan. I'm visiting the lovely garden state this week. I can't

00:29:46.140 believe that you don't just route my vacation. I would never kill a dog, no matter how bad it is.

00:29:51.900 Maybe if you're dying, I get it, but there's no reason to be doing that and telling this story.

00:29:57.420 You gotta be a moron, but she's from South Dakota. What do you expect? 1.00

00:30:01.800 No, we like South Dakotans, but we don't like dog killers. Jared, we also like New Jersey, Jerry. So

00:30:08.340 thanks for calling. The thing is, Michael, um, that's the problem is that I think she released

00:30:13.200 this in the book because there were too many witnesses. And so she was trying to like own it,

00:30:17.720 you know, she's like, Oh, you know, the, Oh, not only did I kill it, I killed it in the face. I

00:30:22.840 killed it while it was joyful. Sure. I did it. You know, like it's a political move. Like I did it.

00:30:27.220 I'm proud of it. I killed that fucking puppy. It's dead, dead in the gravel pit. Like seriously,

00:30:32.020 I think she was trying to pull that without realizing, you know what, this would have been a

00:30:36.300 better one for you to deny, even if there were witnesses, because it's unforgivable.

00:30:40.440 Well, also Megan, if, if, if Kristi Noem is the psycho killer that we're all saying she is,

00:30:46.040 then what, why wouldn't she just kill the witnesses? You know, I mean, if she is really 0.90

00:30:50.440 this total mobster, Patrick Bateman, then it seems much, there's no political risk then.

00:30:59.200 All right, wait, wait, let's get, let's see if there's a, somebody else who wants to weigh in.

00:31:02.540 Uh, okay. How about Aaron in Virginia? Hi, Aaron. What's on your mind? What are your thoughts?

00:31:10.440 Hi, Megan. Hi, Michael. Um, homeschooling mama here. My kids love you, Michael Knowles. I just

00:31:16.280 wanted to do a shout out and listen to Megan often, but I just want to say, I love my dogs.

00:31:21.860 I have dogs. Um, it's, it's like they're, they become a part of your family, but I grew up in

00:31:26.760 the country and sadly we had a dog that was, um, we were warned if our dog got into our neighbors

00:31:32.440 who shall rename, remain nameless. If our dog got into his chicken coop one more time,

00:31:38.060 he would shoot them. And he did. And our poor dog like crawled all the way home and died on our

00:31:42.720 front porch. And it was very traumatic, but like, it's just, sometimes it's part of people's

00:31:49.020 livelihood in the country. And so I totally get it. I don't condone it. Okay. But question for you,

00:31:53.840 question for you. Cause you said if the dog got into the chicken coop at the neighbors one more time,

00:31:59.000 which suggests it didn't get executed on its first defense. Correct. Yes. So that's,

00:32:06.940 don't you see a difference between that and what happened here? Sure. Of course. Of course. I think

00:32:12.840 it was a bit, a bit much. However, I do understand growing up in the country and I'm an army wife too.

00:32:19.600 So, you know, I've lived through a lot sexually anniversary of a dear friend's husband's death

00:32:24.240 today. Um, uh, so during, uh, the Iraq Afghanistan wars and, um, so I don't know. I think sometimes

00:32:31.780 there's just first world problems and she, she, I definitely would not, not vote for Trump even if

00:32:38.780 she was his VP. So, all right. So a little support for Michael Knowles's position. That's probably as

00:32:45.020 good as you're going to get it, Michael. Uh, let's go to very, very sensible caller and, and with

00:32:51.200 children. It has nothing to do with the fact that our kids are your fans. All right. Connie in Indiana,

00:32:55.660 what are your thoughts? Hi, Megan. I just want to say your, um, your guest, Michael, he has a couple

00:33:02.220 of times compared this to shooting old jowler, but old jowler was bitten by a rabid wolf. So it's a big

00:33:09.040 difference between shooting a puppy in the face. There she knows her old yeller history. Michael Knowles 0.75

00:33:14.980 got you there. It's not a perfect analogy. I'm saying there's a similarity here. I'm saying what

00:33:21.860 I'm saying here is that Christie gnomes, poor little cricket does not have some right to life.

00:33:28.440 Could he have had a better owner? Could, you know, maybe yes, but it's not, you know, we're it's a,

00:33:35.440 it's a dog, right? I look, I, you know, I'm on the losing position. I know it'll never play a non-dog

00:33:40.120 lover. No, you don't know. You don't get it because you don't own and love a dog. Julie in Florida,

00:33:44.280 she gets it. Julie, your thoughts. Good morning. Oh my goodness. What are these people thinking?

00:33:50.960 Christie has to be catastrophically stupid to get this story out here. But beyond that,

00:33:55.300 nobody's talking about what she should have done. She had a puppy. She had a dog. She had a

00:33:59.940 responsibility. Okay. You don't want your dog. I get it. She's out of control. Whatever.

00:34:05.460 Here's the thing. If she would have had a hundred people lining up in 10 minutes to take that dog. 1.00

00:34:11.620 Why? Because it was the governor's dog, just a celebrity of it. She could have found her home

00:34:17.100 for him or whatever. And, and by the way, have you never heard of training?

00:34:23.440 That's right. She doesn't even, she didn't, she didn't try anything. So my, my point is this.

00:34:29.160 I was very behind this girl for being a VP candidate for Trump. And yes, I would still vote for Trump,

00:34:35.420 but there's no way in hell I would have anything to do with her. Her values are wacky. They're just 0.99

00:34:42.680 wacky. They're not mine. I can't believe she had no responsibility for this animal she took.

00:34:48.140 And I think it's disgusting. I'm with you. I'm so with you, girl. And I'll tell you what,

00:34:53.500 Michael, now in Chrissy Noem's tweet, she's like, Oh, it had been aggressive toward people. Now it's plural

00:34:59.100 people. That's not what you wrote. You said it, it snapped at you when you tried to get it away

00:35:05.300 from the chickens it was killing. That's a totally different scenario than this was just an aggressive

00:35:10.300 dog that was biting everybody, uh, at 14 months. So she's changing the story already, which is

00:35:16.060 because she, it reminds me of, of a line that a friend of mine says, a friend of mine says facts

00:35:23.500 don't care about your feelings. And so I guess that's true in as much as it's true.

00:35:29.100 But politics cares almost exclusively about your feelings. And so even if Chrissy Noem wrote out a

00:35:34.860 long, uh, moral treatise on why she had every right to kill little cricket, as I think she did,

00:35:40.620 uh, in a humane way, and she could write it all the, she could, it doesn't, what I don't understand

00:35:45.880 is her job is not to be a moral philosopher. Her job is not to, you know, write anthropological and

00:35:51.760 theological. Her job is to appeal to people and to win their votes over. Uh, I, I don't understand

00:35:58.160 other than her view, perhaps that the American right is just, uh, bloodthirsty. I don't know

00:36:05.360 how she thought that this was going to really play, even just a misreading of the political

00:36:09.920 moment. We're in a time now where people walk a little, you know, foo-foo down the street

00:36:14.080 in a stroller. So the paws don't hit the sidewalk. Who's she going to win over? 1.00

00:36:18.080 You're about to get it. You're about to get it from Joan, who's going to defend that exact

00:36:22.160 practice. She's in North Carolina. Joan, go ahead.

00:36:24.880 Hey, Megan. How are you today?

00:36:28.800 I'm great. How are you doing?

00:36:31.120 I'm doing good, but I'm in, I'm just incensed with this, uh, story from Christy Noem and Michael

00:36:38.240 Noem. I have a stroller for my Pomeranian, not because I'm afraid her paws are going to hit the 0.97

00:36:45.220 cement, but she does much better when we take her on trips with us. When we go into stores,

00:36:51.440 I'm not concerned that she's going to be stepped on because she's little and she enjoys being in

00:36:57.840 the stroller. And I will defend that. My, my kids sometimes even call me a crazy dog mom because I

00:37:04.400 have the stroller, but I am not embarrassed by it. Also, um, the poor pit bulls have gotten very bad

00:37:12.560 raps because of the way people train them to be killers. They are very upsetting. Michael

00:37:18.640 I could see it on his face, Joan. He doesn't like that. I don't care. I love my dogs. In fact,

00:37:26.000 sometimes I'd love my dogs more than my kids. They are just innocent creatures that if they

00:37:32.800 are not trained correctly, they have to be trained if they are having issues.

00:37:37.120 Joan, would you ever put a pit bull in the stroller and kill it? Go ahead and say again. 0.99

00:37:42.400 What, Michael? Joan, would you ever, would you ever put the, the cute, sweet little pit bull

00:37:48.080 in the stroller? Or would that seem a little, I don't know, incongruous or out of, because,

00:37:53.600 you know, the pit bull is trained to be just a killer. You know, the pit bull is trained to be

00:37:58.560 a real tough dog. And so I know, I always hear this from the pit bull lovers. They say, no,

00:38:03.120 it's never the dog's fault. It's always just the training. And that's why the pit bulls love to 0.63

00:38:07.680 just chomp down on all the little children and toddlers and things. But you know, you just look

00:38:12.000 statistically. These attacks generally are undertaken by pit bulls. It's not their fault.

00:38:18.160 That's kind of how they're bred. But then, you know, if we acknowledge they're not cute little

00:38:21.680 frou-frou dogs to push around in the cart, then can't we say, hey, maybe we shouldn't bring the

00:38:26.640 pit bulls around the little children just because, can't we make that prejudgment about their nature?

00:38:31.440 Absolutely not, because pit bulls are very gentle dogs that are very good with families.

00:38:39.600 They are not dogs that are automatic killers.

00:38:43.040 All right. We've run a field now. We're on the pit bull. But thank you, Joan, for calling in.

00:38:46.240 Michael Knowles, you're getting some support. You know, I can see just a little headline of what

00:38:50.800 people are saying. I'll give you, let's go to Jim in Florida. Jim in Florida, you agree with

00:38:55.920 Michael Knowles? I mean, no one ever says that. I mean, what?

00:38:58.800 Well, to a certain degree. I mean, whoever let this story come to light should be terminated

00:39:05.440 immediately, should never have been in the book. But at the at the end of the day, we have developed

00:39:11.360 this bizarre moral equivalency, dogs and humans that just doesn't exist and it shouldn't exist.

00:39:19.040 Now, you should run around and I am a dog owner. I love my little dog, but I would never shoot my

00:39:24.800 little dog for him. I also don't. I also don't. I also don't. I also don't run a farm. I don't deal

00:39:29.920 with what what those folks do. But I mean, you look, I look at what's in the news, Fauci supposedly

00:39:37.680 doing experiments on dogs. Yeah. Killing people with a vaccine isn't going to take down Fauci. Dogs are

00:39:44.560 going to take down Fauci. I'll take it however I can get it. Yeah. I'd love to see him go down

00:39:49.760 on any one of those crimes. Yeah. Well, me too. But there's just everything that everything having

00:39:55.120 to do with humans should be above everything having to do with animals. I agree with that.

00:40:00.480 But that also doesn't justify shooting your dog in the face when it's just an untrained puppy. But

00:40:04.480 Michael, I'm telling you, you're getting a little bit more support coming in now. Let's see. Let's see.

00:40:09.200 Oh, Bill in Illinois has got a problem with the breed. Bill, what do you know about these pointers

00:40:16.800 that we don't know? Hi, Megan. How are you? Hi, good. How are you doing? Doing well. Thank you.

00:40:24.640 First of all, it was the dumbest idea of her to even put the story in, but the breed is notorious for being 1.00

00:40:30.400 aggressive. Very aggressive. But I'm sure she knew that. So I support both of you. Yeah, that's the thing.

00:40:37.040 Then why buy it? Right. I mean, like labs, I talked about Strudwick and trying to chase

00:40:41.920 in the squirrels and the bunny. I don't actually know if he would eat the bunny because he's

00:40:45.200 never caught one. But labs are inherently not violent. They're not aggressive dogs. That's why

00:40:50.240 you get them as a family pet. But Michael, she got she got this breed that's known for being aggressive,

00:40:55.280 says Bill. And that's what the article said as well. Then she didn't train it. So I had no chance.

00:41:01.600 Sure. But there was no there was no due process, Michael. That's the problem.

00:41:05.280 There was no due process. You're right. And the people want the due process for the dog,

00:41:09.760 just like they want to start putting monkeys and elephants on trial. But we don't do it because

00:41:13.920 they don't have speech. You know, that's that's probably the clearest distinction between them

00:41:19.440 and human beings. And so what were they going to do with this dog? You say, well, they could give it to

00:41:23.440 someone who wants the aggressive breed or maybe they could have trained the aggression out of it. 0.69

00:41:27.200 But the zebra does not change its spots. I think that's how the expression goes.

00:41:30.800 Who's getting who's getting railroaded faster and more unfairly? Cricket or Trump, Michael Knowles?

00:41:37.520 There is no question. If the Democrats could, they would take Donald Trump out to that gravel pit.

00:41:42.640 Fortunately, they haven't done that yet. The way they're treating Donald Trump is much,

00:41:47.120 much less fair because Donald Trump, being a human being and being a political leader,

00:41:52.320 actually does have rights. And they're treating him worse than dogs. They treat all of us worse

00:41:57.360 than dogs. And it's it's a flaw in our system, I suppose, and of the moral priorities of modern

00:42:06.480 society. Oh, listen, I love that you guys all called in. God bless you all so much for doing

00:42:11.840 this on the fly. You've been wonderful to listen to. I love hearing from the audience. I'm always

00:42:15.680 reminded of how smart they are. Thank you all for your points of view. And thank you, Michael Knowles,

00:42:20.480 for being such a good sport. You did win some support in the end. And thankfully, Michael stays

00:42:26.720 with us for another hour. So we have plenty of MK on both sides coming up. Michael, this is the clip

00:42:36.880 of the day. Our vice president went on the Drew Barrymore show. And look at this promo clip they

00:42:45.680 just released. Apparently, some people love to talk about the way I laugh. Oh, yes. Okay,

00:42:50.880 I love your laugh. Well, let me just tell you something. I have my mother's laugh. And I grew up

00:42:56.560 around a bunch of women in particular who laughed from the belly. They laughed, they would sit around 1.00

00:43:02.800 the kitchen and drink their coffee telling big stories with big laughs. I believe, you know,

00:43:08.720 I'm never going to be, that's just, that's just, I'm not that person. And I think it's really

00:43:16.400 important for us to remind each other and our younger ones, don't be confined to other people's

00:43:27.280 perception about what this looks like and how you should act in order to be, right? It's really

00:43:35.600 important. It's important. It's classic, classic Kamala Harris trying to offer fake profundities 1.00

00:43:45.440 with her fake affect when she's saying nothing. She delivers her normal air sandwich. And even worse,

00:43:53.520 Michael, is the Drew Barrymore leaning in for the listening audience. She leans in,

00:43:58.480 she must be three inches away from Kamala Harris. Even Kamala Harris has got to be uncomfortable. I feel 0.98

00:44:03.280 like secret service is probably like a little farther away, madam. And the, oh, when she says,

00:44:08.800 oh, I've got my mother's laugh. Drew, Drew Barry's like, oh, your mother's laugh. Oh. And then the,

00:44:16.560 you know, just the feigned, like from the belly, look, she's leaning in like, this is gold. This is

00:44:23.840 gold you're giving me. I hate everything about this clip. Michael Knowles, what do you see?

00:44:29.440 It's really uncomfortable. I always liked Drew Barrymore. I thought she was charming and I like

00:44:34.960 her in movies and stuff, but this show, the whole, I remember she did an interview with

00:44:39.040 Dylan Mulvaney and was like on her knees. I don't know. It's really, it's very intense. And then

00:44:46.640 you took the words right out of my mouth. When I was watching that clip, all I thought was this

00:44:51.680 might be the first person I've ever met who speaks publicly, who has nothing to say,

00:44:59.360 who does not have a single thing that she ever, I can't think of one thought that she has ever

00:45:06.000 expressed, which obviously explains why she leans into the laugh. So much is the longer and louder

00:45:11.600 she can laugh, the less she has to speak because when she speaks, it's just filler. It's just words

00:45:16.320 that are bunched up together that have no semantic content to them. It's astounding.

00:45:23.440 We, as far as I know, like the, the mocking of Kamala Harris's laugh is it is a little odd. Yes,

00:45:29.840 but it's also because it is deployed at very odd times. She uses it. And maybe that's the reason,

00:45:37.120 the one you just hit on, but like as a deflection or as a protective mechanism,

00:45:41.920 it, she laughs at the wrong times. It's like, uh, we love the show modern family and they have

00:45:47.520 Claire Dumphy, the lead actress always laugh when someone tells her there's been a death in the

00:45:52.400 family. She can't stop herself from smiling and kind of giggling at it. That's Kamala Harris. She's

00:45:58.640 inappropriate with the laugh. No one gives a shit that she got the laugh from the mother. And she 1.00

00:46:04.160 turned what, what you're seeing up there is entirely performative by both women. Is there

00:46:11.280 anybody at home thinking this is a really sweet moment? No, there's nothing sincere, of course. And

00:46:17.600 so even when she says, well, I got this from my mother, it leans into the nearest thing that Kamala Harris

00:46:25.920 has ever said, which is I am a woman and I am of color. Those, I guess those are the two. They're not

00:46:33.280 thoughts, obviously, but they're just kind of identifiers that she spouts out. So even when she

00:46:38.560 has to explain this weird personality quirk of hers, she, she says, well, you know, it's my mother.

00:46:43.680 It's from my aunt. I'm a woman. I'm a woman. I have this family. It's a woman of color. Hi there. I'm

00:46:48.960 Kamala Harris, woman of color. Even in all of her interviews, she says, I'm the first, I'm the first

00:46:53.120 woman of color, a yada, yada, yada, yada. And Mary, a thought passes in there. That doesn't surprise me.

00:47:00.400 I don't really get the Drew Barrymore of it all. I don't get how anyone could sit there. Maybe she's

00:47:04.800 just a really great actress. If you can sit there and pretend that you're fascinated by

00:47:08.000 a word that Kamala Harris has ever said, you deserve an Oscar. It's true. And the,

00:47:12.560 I love your laugh. Oh my God. It's so demeaning. Can you imagine someone speaking to Donald Trump that

00:47:20.240 way? It's so, it's just demeaning. It demeans both the anchor and the guest. Drew Barrymore is not

00:47:28.080 very good at this. I really didn't know that until I saw Dylan Mulvaney. And now I'm seeing this,

00:47:34.160 but Drew, I can tell you're acting. And normally, you know, like in the wedding singer, I couldn't tell

00:47:40.360 poltergeist. You were very good. I feel like you lost a little off your fastball, sweetheart. You're

00:47:45.900 going to have to work on it. Our vice president, hopefully she doesn't have to work on this for 1.00

00:47:49.700 much longer than another seven months. Okay. Michael Knowles, standby quick break back to you. And

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00:48:52.740 three months free offer details apply. We just got some breaking news out of the fourth circuit

00:49:02.560 court of appeals, uh, which used to be conservative and is now responsible for some of the most leftist

00:49:08.280 issued rulings on transgenderism that we've seen in the country. This is what happens when you get

00:49:16.540 leftist presidents in office. They're the ones responsible for nominating the federal judges.

00:49:21.880 They get on the bench, they get confirmed, and then they go on to turn the country hard left,

00:49:26.420 which is what's happening. They're out of Virginia. Okay. This is the South. And they just ruled that

00:49:31.400 states have an obligation to use public funds for so-called gender affirming care. So now you have

00:49:39.340 to pay for somebody else's kid to have his penis chopped off. Okay. That's according to one of the

00:49:46.520 previously most conservative appellate courts in the nation. I can only hope and pray that they're

00:49:53.280 going to appeal this up. The fourth circuit has been responsible for several of these decisions

00:49:57.140 lately. I'm going to pick it up in a minute with Michael Knowles, but I'm going to start with what's

00:50:01.880 happening on campuses. This is outrageous. What happens when you take your eye off the ball,

00:50:05.660 you focus on a bunch of nonsense, like Trump's latest tweet for four years, like the media did,

00:50:11.240 as opposed to like, who's taking over in our courts under eight years of Obama and now four years of

00:50:16.680 Biden. Who's who, what, what's happening? What's happening with trans laws, state to state and

00:50:23.140 women's rights. Okay. You've heard me say it before. Let's get something about our country that we love 0.85

00:50:28.600 on the docket here. And that's, we've always been able to debate always. That's something,

00:50:33.960 that's one of the reasons some people migrate here is because you can say what you think and

00:50:39.240 you can have it out rhetorically on the street corners and everywhere. It's the land of the

00:50:43.920 free. But in recent weeks, things have taken a dramatic and dark shift, particularly on our

00:50:49.180 campuses, because we normally could say very crazy incendiary things, but we typically on college

00:50:56.800 campuses because of, well, the law wouldn't see targeted campaigns about how we hate Jews or

00:51:03.400 blacks or women over and over and over how we really would love it. If the Jews would just die 1.00

00:51:08.580 and America too, for that purpose, for that matter, as America's young people right now and their

00:51:14.720 professors, let's not forget about them are increasingly embracing, not just anti-Israel messages,

00:51:20.200 not just Israel should stop the bombing campaign in retaliation for the murder and torture of 1200

00:51:26.100 of its citizens, but actual anti-Semitism, actual anti-Semitism, like death to the Jews,

00:51:32.480 like, hey, Hamas, here's your next target. That's problematic. Reminiscent of 1930s Europe. 0.98

00:51:38.780 Perhaps nowhere is this more evident than on the lovely campus of Columbia University. A lot of people

00:51:44.740 go there because it supposedly has a master's in journalism program that is very alluring to some.

00:51:50.180 I can speak on behalf of journalism when I say, get out. Do not complete your education there.

00:51:56.700 You're wasting your money. It's pointless unless you want to go work for, I guess, Al Jazeera,

00:52:02.920 in which case it might help you out. One of the leaders of the anti-Israel movement on this campus

00:52:09.500 has now been outed as someone who has the, well, the small belief that these so-called Zionists,

00:52:16.240 they don't deserve to live. Meet Kamani James. Kamani James is one of the leaders of the movement

00:52:23.340 in a video flagged in part by the Daily Wire.

00:52:26.460 Why would we want people who are supporters of genocide to live? Zionists, along with all white 1.00

00:52:35.820 supremacists, need to not exist because they actively kill and harm vulnerable people. They

00:52:41.960 stop the world from progressing. And so be glad, be grateful that I'm not just going out and

00:52:50.860 murdering Zionists. I've never murdered anyone in my life. And I hope to keep it that way. 1.00

00:52:59.680 Philosophically speaking, the death of a maniacal genocidist like Netanyahu in Israel, his death

00:53:11.140 would theoretically mean that many people would live. Zionists don't deserve to live. The existence 1.00

00:53:20.420 of Nazis, white supremacists, Zionists, these are all the same people. The existence of them 0.93

00:53:27.160 and the projects they have built, i.e. Israel, it's all antithetical to peace. I feel very comfortable, 1.00

00:53:37.100 very comfortable, calling for those people to die. See you in New York real soon.

00:53:48.380 Okay. Kamani, who apparently goes by he, she, they, has now been barred from campus after this all went

00:53:58.780 public and has issued a non-apology of sorts, quote, regretting the words, but blaming far-right

00:54:06.780 agitators, claiming to have been taken out of context on all the calls for the Jew killing,

00:54:13.100 saying, I had been feeling unusually upset after an online mob targeted me because I am visibly queer

00:54:22.160 and black. Oh, you go, boy. You do it. You play the black card and the queer card. Yeah. Or girl, 1.00

00:54:29.860 or get they, boy and girl. I don't know what you are. Um, how about just don't say that people

00:54:35.500 deserve to die? Kamani. How about that? Like all the Jew killing, maybe what got you in trouble. 1.00

00:54:40.020 And by the way, he was called to testify in front of the Columbia board because of his terrible

00:54:46.840 behavior. He said this publicly and there was absolutely no consequence to him. Go ahead,

00:54:51.480 call for the, all the Jews to be killed. No problem. Only when it become, became public,

00:54:56.260 did this become an issue for him? The so-called apology came a day after Kamani and others were

00:55:02.660 visited by none other, other than Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, whose own daughter is part of the

00:55:08.540 anti-Israel crew. She and her daughter were apparently seen embracing and glad handing with

00:55:15.440 this guy because they had no problem with the Zionists do not deserve to live. Zionists don't 1.00

00:55:21.960 deserve to live. And you should be grateful. I'm not murdering any of them. And I hope at least that

00:55:28.500 I'm going to keep it that way. They had absolutely no problem doing that. Here's a bit from the

00:55:33.480 Congresswoman on her visit right afterward. I think it is really unfortunate that people

00:55:40.420 don't care about the fact that all Jewish kids should be kept safe and that we should not have 1.00

00:55:46.980 to tolerate anti-Semitism, um, or bigotry for all Jewish students, whether they are pro-genocide

00:55:54.520 or anti-genocide. You see, that's how we look at the Jews, the Jews. You may not know this if

00:56:00.340 you're Jewish, you're either pro-genocide or anti-genocide. And if you happen to support Israel 0.98

00:56:04.420 retaliating for the slaughter of its citizens, that means you're pro-genocide, just in case you're

00:56:09.680 playing at home. Farther north up at Harvard, Steve McGuire posted this on X, protesters taking

00:56:15.560 it upon themselves to raise the Palestinian flag over the John Harvard statue in place

00:56:23.320 of the stars and stripes. This is unbelievable.

00:56:26.140 For the listening audience,

00:56:54.100 what happened there was they took down the American flag and they raised up the flag of

00:56:58.800 Palestine on an American campus, one that we fund with our tax dollars. You pay for it. 1.00

00:57:08.140 I pay for it. And when these snot-nosed kids get out of Harvard, you're going to repay their loans.

00:57:13.780 Thanks to Joe Biden. You're paying for it all. All the truckers listening to this show right now,

00:57:18.640 as you get our goods from the West coast to the East, you're paying for it. You're going to pay for

00:57:22.680 those snot-nosed kids' education, thanks to Joe Biden and his loan forgiveness, which was done

00:57:28.320 without the approval of the U.S. Congress, but with his magic pen. You get to pay for it, okay?

00:57:33.140 And if you send your kid to Harvard, let's say he overcomes the odds and gets in there,

00:57:37.060 and he happens to have one night of sex with a woman he doesn't know that well,

00:57:41.600 and in the morning she has a Sunday morning regrets and accuses him of rape, he's effed.

00:57:46.220 He's going to get tried and convicted by a kangaroo court in which the prosecutor is the

00:57:50.600 same person as the investigator, and it's one and the same because it's a victim's rights advocate.

00:57:55.040 He won't get to see the evidence against them. He won't get to cross-examine his accuser.

00:57:58.900 He won't have a right to an attorney. He will just get convicted and labeled a sex offender.

00:58:03.220 All on your dime. There you go. Welcome to the American universities. Raise that Palestinian flag. 1.00

00:58:10.300 Let's get rid of all the American flags, okay? Let's bring in the Sharia. Sure. Great. See how 1.00

00:58:17.220 they like you in your little tank tops then. Further south at Emory University, a professor

00:58:24.380 found herself on the receiving end. These professors are so pathetic. They're so desperate to be part of

00:58:28.840 the action. They've had no life, you see. They went right into academia. They thought that they were

00:58:33.360 going to have something fulfilling, but they wound up having to just be these woke warriors, and there's

00:58:36.900 no fulfillment in it. Look at what happened to this lady when she wound up on the wrong end of a very 1.00

00:58:42.420 unhappy officer after she tried to inject herself in a scuffle with the protesters.

00:58:48.220 I don't care. Get on the ground. Get on the ground. Get on the ground. Oh, my God. Give me some props. 0.90

00:59:13.260 Right on. That's the way you do it, cops. Like a boss, that guy handled that. She was interfering with 0.98

00:59:39.880 a police officer trying to subdue a protester and apparently make an arrest. She made it her 0.58

00:59:45.660 business to come over and try to get in the middle of it. He told her to get back on the grass away. 1.00

00:59:51.520 She didn't listen. She resisted arrest repeatedly. By the way, she's a white lady, okay? This doesn't 1.00

00:59:57.340 just happen to black people in Chicago who resist arrest. She resisted arrest, and she was handled

01:00:03.040 appropriately. And just in case you had any doubt, here she is later admitting that she hit an officer

01:00:09.320 on the head prior to this. I saw a large man pinning one of our students to the ground,

01:00:17.400 pressing on his neck and potentially choking him, causing life-threatening injury. And so I

01:00:25.100 impulsively hit him on the head very lightly to get his attention. And they grabbed me,

01:00:33.320 threw me to the ground, and arrested me. And they are now injuring my arms. They smacked

01:00:39.140 my head on the pavement, and you can see- You deserved it.

01:00:41.680 That they hit my face on the concrete, and it's probably bruised, and you can see scratches.

01:00:48.520 And they are now manhandling me without any kind of due process.

01:00:55.200 The due process will come when you get to jail, madam. You deserved it. And as for your claim 0.99

01:00:59.620 that they were George Floyd-ing that protester, we don't believe that either. You deserved to be

01:01:07.720 knocked down and arrested, and have your hands behind your back, and handcuffed. And no one

01:01:12.420 gives two shits if you're uncomfortable. At all. By the way, it's not just on campuses. Saturday

01:01:17.680 night, protesters gathering outside of the White House Correspondents' Dinner in Washington,

01:01:21.520 unfurling, yes, you guessed it, a giant Palestinian flag from a hotel window. Great. Some laying on the 0.97

01:01:28.480 streets outside of the hotel, lying on the streets outside of the hotel, along with fake blood-covered

01:01:34.000 press vests in an attempt to tell the media that they are hashtag part of the problem.

01:01:40.020 One unhinged person in a mask, of course, confronting Katie Pavlich, my old pal from Fox News

01:01:45.640 and Town Hall, who caught this moment on camera.

01:01:49.440 You're not welcome here. You're not welcome here. You're not welcome here.

01:01:56.520 What are you putting cover? 34,000 people dead. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You are so complicit in

01:02:03.080 this genocide, and you don't even care. We're a spectacle to you.

01:02:08.160 Katie Pavlich is complicit in the genocide, Michael. Who knew?

01:02:12.600 Actually, people are finally waking up to that genocidal Katie Pavlich. The Campus Intifada,

01:02:20.260 and I suppose the White House Correspondents Association protest, the jihadi protesters. 1.00

01:02:28.940 It makes me feel for the Jewish students who can't go to class. So I feel for them. It's very sad.

01:02:36.240 It's obviously unjust. They should all be arrested. Sure. I do feel a little bit of schadenfreude,

01:02:41.820 though, when I think about the university administrations. Columbia did this to itself.

01:02:46.840 Yale did this to itself. All of the universities. The White House Correspondents Association,

01:02:53.060 frankly, did this to itself. This is the culmination of years and years and years

01:02:59.100 of ideological indoctrination. Because the Campus Intifada, oddly enough, is not really about Palestine,

01:03:05.900 and it's not really about the Jews. If you listen to the language they're using,

01:03:10.320 these people are using the exact kind of language that they use to attack America and Europe and

01:03:16.160 Christendom and the West. They're attacking Jews, not because they're Jews, but because they're white. 0.99

01:03:22.760 They're attacking the state of Israel, not because of any particular policy of the state of Israel or

01:03:27.840 any particular faction there, or even the establishment of the state of Israel and the

01:03:31.500 Zionist movement. They're attacking the state of Israel because they call it a colonizer, settler,

01:03:36.800 colonial project of Western imperialism. It's the same thing they say about America and why they

01:03:43.460 claim that America is not a legitimate country because we exist on stolen land. So even the

01:03:50.240 motivation for these protests, it's so pathetic. It's just more of the same hey, hey, ho, ho,

01:03:57.780 Western Civ has got to go that we've been hearing since Jesse Jackson marched it down the streets of

01:04:02.820 Stanford.

01:04:03.140 It's amazing. You look at the campuses in Florida, it's crickets. Ron DeSantis knows what he's doing.

01:04:12.580 No one's doing this there. They nip it in the bud because do you know what happens when you keep

01:04:18.600 giving toddlers their own way? You get a lot more of their bad behavior. I mean,

01:04:23.740 super nanny told us this many times. Here's Sop 14.

01:04:38.060 Yeah, that was a little kid hitting his own mom. Super nanny standing by. That's the problem. If you

01:04:45.660 give the toddler what he wants just because he's thrown a fit, you're going to get a whole lot more

01:04:49.820 of the bad behavior. And so Colombia trying to negotiate, you know, if you could just like not

01:04:55.880 say the anti-Semitic things, if you could just call for the elimination of Israel, but not the Jews

01:05:01.320 and also maybe get rid of the Hamas's next target signs, that would really help us out.

01:05:07.240 Well, you can see what this is all about when you look at other conflicts around the world,

01:05:12.540 because we talk a little bit about Ukraine, more than a little bit. We talk a lot about Israel,

01:05:16.700 Gaza. There is a genocide that is gearing up right now, and it's gearing up not in any of those 0.58

01:05:23.160 regions, but in Azerbaijan and Armenia. The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, which is expanding

01:05:28.960 the Azerbaijanis, the Muslim Turks there are threatening to ethnically cleanse the Armenians 1.00

01:05:35.680 from their ancestral homeland. The Armenians are, it's the first Christian nation in the world. It

01:05:39.700 became Christian a dozen years before the Edict of Milan legalized Christianity in the Roman Empire.

01:05:44.440 And I don't really hear any of those protesters at Columbia or Yale or anywhere else talking about

01:05:49.000 the Armenians, who have already suffered a genocide, by the way, a million and a half people

01:05:52.580 a hundred years ago. You don't hear about that because it doesn't fit the narrative, because in

01:05:56.600 that case, the perpetrators of the genocide are Muslim Turks, and the victims of the genocide and

01:06:04.040 potentially another ethnic cleansing are Christians, are Christian Armenians. So it doesn't fit their 1.00

01:06:09.680 narrative, which is really what this is about. These people don't know anything about Palestine or Gaza,

01:06:14.280 there was an event the other day, the drag queens for Palestine. The drag queens would be pushed off

01:06:19.560 a rooftop if they ever made it anywhere near Gaza or the West Bank. What this is really about is just

01:06:25.000 a continuation of the radical left liberationist kind of politics, which does not ultimately really

01:06:33.020 focus on the Jews or on the state of Israel or any of that. It's really geared at all of Western

01:06:38.360 civilization, which they view as illegitimate and which they want to tear down.

01:06:43.640 Okay. So I appreciate the firm hand by law enforcement with these ridiculous student

01:06:50.700 protesters and professors. Standing there protesting is one thing. Getting in a cop's face,

01:06:56.480 going with the truly anti-Semitic slogans is another. And this is what happened. This is another

01:07:01.960 one in Emory where the cop. Yeah. In Emory. Right. Yeah. Uh, where the cop led one of the protesters

01:07:09.380 away who would not comply. Like you do a toddler watch. You're hurting me.

01:07:14.840 The listening audience. I can't tell if it was a man or a woman who he picked up, but the person tried

01:07:29.860 to like throw themselves on the ground and the cop just grabbed the person by the crooked elbow and

01:07:35.420 leg and carried him away in response to which everybody on Twitter was like, if I had a nickel

01:07:41.040 for every time I've had to do that to my toddler, right? You're going, you're going. And by the way,

01:07:46.420 my toddler cries less when I do it. Uh, my toddler cries a lot less than that overgrown baby screaming

01:07:52.380 about how his arm hurts or whatever. It's amazing. It reminds me of the fake soccer injuries. You see,

01:07:58.520 if you watch male or female soccer where it's like, this is the worst acting I've ever seen,

01:08:04.860 but I love the cop. Cause he's like, you know, he seemed not that large a man. And the protesters

01:08:10.980 look like a very large male or female behaving like an infant and being treated accordingly.

01:08:16.000 Now you mark my words, all those protesters and those professors who got manhandled by the cops

01:08:20.400 will be filing lawsuits within the next six months and they'll get paid because that's the world we

01:08:26.240 live in today. Michael. That's right. You know, these people keep invoking the Nazis and, uh, there

01:08:32.300 is a political theorist, uh, who was associated with the Nazi party who says that, who articulates

01:08:39.120 thinking that's very similar to their own, which is that the fundamental distinction in politics

01:08:42.760 is that between friend and enemy. And you can clearly see these people have a, a very clear

01:08:48.140 sense of who their enemies are. Uh, so this is a big problem for the Democrats and for the left,

01:08:55.020 because it's not just happening on Columbia's campus or Yale's campus or wherever it's happening

01:08:59.720 outside of Joe Biden's appearance at the white house correspondents association, which means that

01:09:04.080 these people are, they're not on our side. Okay. I don't think there are allies generally with the,

01:09:09.640 uh, the Palestinian flag and shrieking about liberation and all the rest of it. Those are 1.00

01:09:14.920 leftists and they're protesting the left-wing president and they're protesting the left-wing

01:09:19.880 journalists. It means that while Biden yucks it up with all of the political establishment,

01:09:25.360 he's, he's got the liberal elites on his side, but he doesn't have the people. He obviously doesn't

01:09:32.140 have the right-wing people. He doesn't seem to have the independents or the moderates and he's

01:09:36.100 losing the left-wing people over his own, uh, failed policies. So what can he do? You know,

01:09:43.080 and ultimately what, what they're going to have to do is just gin up a bunch of other distractions

01:09:47.120 because not only is the American political order fraying under Biden's reign, but his own political

01:09:53.880 coalition is falling apart. Every time you hear these shrieks about the genocide and the ruler of

01:09:59.940 the country is Joe Biden. So ultimately those, those attacks are being directed at him by his own

01:10:05.540 side. Right. There's been polling that just came out, I think on Friday showing he's hemorrhaging

01:10:11.580 on the Israel issue with Dems, independents and Republicans. He's pleasing absolutely no one.

01:10:17.700 His tips of the hat to those weird people in Michigan who are out there chanting death to America

01:10:23.480 did him no good. He's in the barrel on approval rating with them. Um, so you'd think you would

01:10:30.400 just back Israel and try to lean into that core of the democratic base that tends to love him and is

01:10:36.880 very pro Israel, but he's not getting that message. The latest CNN polling that just dropped, um,

01:10:42.920 this is a registered voters, not as helpful as likely, but shows in a head-to-head poll Trump's

01:10:49.120 now up plus six over Biden. That's an additional two points in Trump's favor since January when other

01:10:56.500 candidates are added in Kennedy, Cornel West and Jill Stein, it's Trump up nine 42 to 33. 0.97

01:11:05.860 Um, looking back at the Trump presidency now, 55% say it was successful. Uh, only 44% say it was a

01:11:12.560 failure. How about for Biden now? 39% say it's been a success. 61% say it's been a failure. 70%

01:11:21.780 say the economic conditions in the U S are poor and Biden's approval ratings for the economy and

01:11:27.180 inflation are in the basement, 34% and 29%, uh, respectively. So, you know, we're several months

01:11:35.680 out, Michael, but this is like, this is after he's been indicted four times. He's in the middle of a

01:11:41.360 criminal trial in New York where the headlines about him every day are terrible. Their plan's not

01:11:45.780 working. And by the way, the conviction is only going to help him. I think a lot of us are expecting

01:11:52.540 a conviction in New York, if not elsewhere. Uh, it seems like the, you know, that's how the game is

01:11:58.740 rigged. I think it will only help him because all of the polling shows that people, the vast majority

01:12:04.340 of Americans understand that this is an unjust political prosecution, a persecution really. Uh,

01:12:10.180 so Biden is in a lot of trouble right now. The best he can do is distract, but, but unfortunately

01:12:16.700 for him, president Trump is playing his cards so perfectly. They say, you can't be on the campaign

01:12:21.820 trail. You've got to be defending yourself in court. Okay. Trump's going to hold a press conference

01:12:25.560 every single day at the courthouse. And then he's going to go up to a bodega in West Harlem,

01:12:28.880 something no Republican has probably ever done in history and have a successful campaign event

01:12:33.660 there. Uh, he's going to keep playing with that. And then when they try to pin Trump down on these

01:12:38.840 really thorny issues, he can legitimately and persuasively say, my answer is none of this would

01:12:45.280 be happening on my watch. You get into an issue like the Israel-Palestine conflict, which people

01:12:49.700 have all sorts of opinions on. It's, it's probably the most complex foreign policy problem in the world

01:12:55.860 and has been for some years now. What does Trump do? Does he have to weigh in on whether or not

01:13:00.200 Israel is using excessive force or weigh in on the prospect of a Palestinian state or blah, blah,

01:13:04.700 blah. No, that can only lose him votes. So he points to Biden. He says, Hey, what he's doing is

01:13:08.920 terrible. This wouldn't be happening under my watch. The, the Russian invasion of Ukraine wouldn't be

01:13:13.580 happening under my watch. The, the Xi Jinping threatening Taiwan wouldn't be happening under my watch.

01:13:18.360 And he's got credibility on it because he was the president. And that was true that actually Trump,

01:13:25.120 believe it or not, brought peace to the Middle East. He got the Abraham Accord signed. He was

01:13:29.240 the only president in the last 20 years on whose watch Vladimir Putin did not further invade another

01:13:34.400 country. And even China was playing ball. We were winning that trade war with China right before COVID

01:13:38.920 locked the whole world down. So he can point to that and say, Hey, I'm not going to get into the

01:13:42.760 details here because, you know, they're trying to throw me in prison for the rest of my life.

01:13:46.060 But suffice it to say things were better when I was president, all this bad stuff wasn't happening.

01:13:51.260 You have a chance to elect me again and make America great again.

01:13:53.840 And that seems to be persuading people, you know, speaking of China, all these kids on these college

01:13:59.160 campuses are going to go to their protest. And then once they're ejected from campus and hopefully 1.00

01:14:03.940 suspended or expelled or arrested, they're going to maybe go watch an NBA game. They're going to make

01:14:12.020 a call or a text on their iPhone. They don't care. You see about those Muslims. They don't, 1.00

01:14:17.160 they don't care about the ones in China actually being subjected right now to all the killing,

01:14:22.180 all the genocidal conduct that we've confirmed with our own satellites. I guess it's because

01:14:27.760 the Jews aren't doing it. I guess like the Asians can have a pass. If you're Chinese, it's fine. 1.00

01:14:33.360 It's tough to keep up with the moral compass. All right, wait, Michael, let me, let me get this

01:14:38.140 fourth circuit ruling in front of you. I, it just broke. So I'll just, that the outline is

01:14:42.900 this court, which used to be reliably conservative has just ruled. And it was the full panel of the

01:14:50.000 fourth circuit. It wasn't just a three judge panel, eight to six. So a tight decision that

01:14:56.580 state healthcare plans may not legally exclude from their coverage, so-called gender affirming

01:15:06.460 surgery or quote healthcare. What you and I would see as barbaric procedures in which we're cutting off

01:15:16.120 people's body parts, kids minor, uh, minors body parts and others, um, they have to pay for it,

01:15:23.580 which means the taxpayer must pay for these procedures. The Washington post reporting.

01:15:31.580 I made reference to this earlier. It's the second ruling in favor of quote trans rights this month

01:15:37.500 from the fourth circuit, a once conservative court that has become a trailblazer in the realm of

01:15:42.440 transgender rights. The court was the first to say trans students had a right to use the bathrooms 0.63

01:15:48.060 that align with their gender identity. The first to recognize gender dysphoria as a protected

01:15:53.580 disability. Earlier this month, the court said a federally funded middle school could not ban a trans

01:15:59.820 13 year old from playing on the girls track and field team. All of these rulings split the appeals court

01:16:07.600 down ideological lines, uh, a Trump appointee in a strong dissent saying there is no role for the

01:16:14.660 federal courts in policing what treatments healthcare plans decide to cover. And you know, the, the people

01:16:23.500 on the other side have been saying trans people can get exactly the same medical care as you or I could

01:16:29.020 in, I think it was North Carolina and West Virginia. It's just the taxpayer shouldn't have to pay for

01:16:35.000 chopping a penis off or trying to quote, turn a boy into a girl, which is a medical impossibility. 0.54

01:16:41.740 What do you make of it? We need to get a little more comfortable with the word discriminate because

01:16:48.680 that's, what's at the heart of this ruling, right? That the court comes out and says it is discriminatory

01:16:53.640 for, uh, the, the taxpayers not to fund the, uh, mutilations for these people who are confused about

01:17:00.960 their sex. And our response is going to be, it's not discrimination. It's X, Y, Z. No, you're right.

01:17:05.960 It is discrimination. It's true. We, it is discriminatory to tell a man who thinks that he's

01:17:11.040 a woman that he can't go into the women's bathroom. It's also discriminatory to tell a woman that she

01:17:16.900 can't have her own bathroom free from men to discriminate just means to distinguish one thing 1.00

01:17:22.320 from another. And so what the court is engaging in is just a new kind of discrimination,

01:17:27.780 discrimination against, uh, people who don't think that a man can become a woman, a discrimination

01:17:33.100 against taxpayers who don't want to fund these barbaric kinds of practices, a discrimination

01:17:37.440 against doctors who take their Hippocratic oath seriously and agree that first, a physician

01:17:42.380 should do no harm. Unfortunately, now they're being impelled and even coerced to harm patients

01:17:48.440 that will not do them any good. We call it gender affirming therapy, but all it affirms is delusion 0.96

01:17:54.420 and injury and it leaves the patients worse off than they started. We are also still currently

01:17:59.580 discriminating against people with other kinds of body conditions. So if someone walks into a doctor

01:18:05.420 with a clinically, uh, valid, a condition of body integrity identity disorder, it's a rare condition,

01:18:13.440 but it's a condition where, uh, you, you just want to lose one of your healthy limbs. I guess,

01:18:18.920 in fact, we're literally talking about that in the case of transgenderism because they want to cut 1.00

01:18:22.840 off certain very specific healthy limbs. But if you went in and said, I have body identity integrity

01:18:27.380 disorder and I want to chop my arm off. I just feel like I'm a one armed person trapped in a two

01:18:33.320 armed person's body. The doctors, even in these crazy states, would, would tell you to go talk to a

01:18:38.760 psychologist or something. They'd say they can't do that. Well, that's a kind of a discrimination

01:18:42.480 and it's an, it's an incoherent discrimination now, according to this court, which is just arbitrarily

01:18:47.880 ruled that a taxpayers have to fund lopping off the healthy genitals of disturbed people, 0.83

01:18:52.900 but not other, not other body parts. It's arbitrary. It's, it's capricious. It's not grounded

01:18:57.620 in anything sturdy in medical ethics or in the law, but that's how the court is going to rule

01:19:02.460 according to the fashions and passing fads of the day. This must be taken up. Um, undoubtedly the

01:19:09.480 losing side will appeal. West Virginia, North Carolina will appeal. They had tried to pass laws saying,

01:19:13.920 no, the state state, the state does not have to fund this. And I hope the Supreme court takes it.

01:19:20.360 It will require them to be bold. They like to be loved. They're not loved. They just need to do

01:19:26.080 their jobs as justices and take this case and set it right. What's the point of having a six,

01:19:31.020 three conservative majority. If they reject all the hard cases, the problem though, Megan is even 1.00

01:19:35.660 if the Supreme court takes the case, let's not forget the Bostock decision with our supposedly

01:19:40.500 conservative court, which decided that, that, uh, title seven of the civil rights act, uh, didn't

01:19:47.160 actually mean to give employment protections on the basis of sex, but rather employment protections

01:19:52.240 on the basis of sexual identity and gender orientation, which ironically undercuts the,

01:19:57.300 the employment protections on the basis of sex by saying that men are entitled to women's spaces and

01:20:01.860 women's rights and privileges. So that, that was, that was just as Gorsuch. I mean, that, that was,

01:20:06.060 that was ostensibly a conservative jurist. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not all that optimistic if,

01:20:12.200 if this case would make it to the Supreme court. I mean, it's like, it's one of those things where

01:20:17.280 it's, it's not that you don't want a trans person to ever get a job, right? I see in the employment

01:20:21.020 context, how they're trying to say, you can't, you know, that you can't say you can't work here just

01:20:27.260 because you have some gender dysphoria. But can I say, I don't want someone to be at the front desk 0.99

01:20:34.320 of my hotel welcoming guests, who's an obvious six foot three man with a wig on? Like what if I

01:20:41.240 could find a position for him in the back office, right? Like you're really about playing with an

01:20:46.480 experimental like phase of, I don't know, gender expression. And within one year that decision came

01:20:56.340 back to haunt them. Of course. I mean, it was even more egregious in, not in Bostock, but in the case of

01:21:02.600 Paris funeral homes, which was another one of these transgender employment discrimination cases

01:21:07.900 in which we're talking about a funeral home. We're talking about customers, you know, who are

01:21:13.060 grieving. They're, they're so emotionally raw. And one of the funeral home employees is a man.

01:21:19.960 And he wanted to dress up like a woman, you know, wear a little skirt to work. And, and the, 0.56

01:21:25.000 the owner of the funeral home said, Hey man, you know, people are grieving. They're raw. This is not

01:21:29.620 the place to engage in your social and political activism. You know, it's not about you, man. And

01:21:35.220 it's not about your fantasies. And we all, I guess, indulge your fantasies to some degree or another

01:21:39.620 in all aspects of life. But here, how about you, how about you like focus on what the business is

01:21:44.500 for and have a little sympathy or care for other people? And of course the employee said no, and it

01:21:49.960 went up to the Supreme court. And then ultimately Bostock ended up deciding that. Yeah. It's not about

01:21:54.780 any antipathy toward anyone, but it's about putting things in their proper place and living

01:21:59.180 in a normal society, which now the courts increasingly are telling us we're not allowed

01:22:03.240 to do. And we actually have to fund the abnormality and the injury. I mean, how far are we going to

01:22:09.180 take this? It's like, think of Kayla Lemieux, the shop teacher up in Canada, who is a guy that's not

01:22:15.200 his real name with the enormous breasts, with the enormous nipples in the shop class. Do I have to pay

01:22:19.760 for that? If that is, if there's a Kayla here in the United States and he wants me to fund his

01:22:24.900 enormous breasts, I don't like, I'm, I'm pretty sure that if just like some 25 year old actual woman 1.00

01:22:31.720 wants breast implants, she has to pay for them herself. But some dude who claims he's gender 0.99

01:22:38.780 dysphoric, I guess we're going to have to pay for his enormous Kayla Lemieux boobs with the huge lemon 0.99

01:22:45.100 size nipples. So we can shove them in our kids faces in shop class. That's, that's going to be 1.00

01:22:51.560 just fine. And now they're going to be able to come into all the locker rooms and bathrooms on all

01:22:57.520 school campuses. Thanks to the title nine revisions. This is Joe Biden's America. The reason Megan is that

01:23:04.440 we can't avoid the decisions. Even a lot of people on the right, we're very liberal and we think,

01:23:10.820 oh, well, let's just, you do you. I don't really, I actually don't care if you want to wear some weird

01:23:14.980 prosthetic or you want to pretend you're a man, you know, you do you just don't make me pay for it.

01:23:19.500 But, but we have to pay for it because we have Medicaid, we have Medicare, we even beyond particular

01:23:26.200 health entitlement programs, we live in a society. Okay. We have rules about how medicine is practiced.

01:23:32.880 We all pay our taxes. And so you can't avoid the question and you're going to have to come down

01:23:38.660 one way or the other. Either you have to come down and say, hey, it's not affirming to anyone,

01:23:45.560 or it's at least not helpful for anyone to have their delusions affirmed. And so we're not going

01:23:51.180 to pay for it. We're not even going to really allow doctors to do it just like we wouldn't allow a

01:23:55.720 person to with a, with a perfectly healthy arm to chop it off because of some psychological condition.

01:24:00.460 We're not, we're going to, ultimately, we can't just fall back on these kinds of procedural

01:24:07.520 standards. We have to get to substance and we have to say, no, actually, a man can't really be a woman. 0.94

01:24:14.380 And that's why the doctors aren't going to do this thing that's harmful to your health,

01:24:18.000 because we got to discriminate between things that are good for your health and bad for your health.

01:24:21.360 And then we're going to fund that or not fund that based on the conclusions that we come to.

01:24:26.660 And sorry, man, but two plus two equals four and the sun shines in the sky and grass is green and

01:24:34.000 your, your own fantasies don't, don't get to contradict that. And we don't, we don't have to

01:24:39.460 fund your fantasies. Right. They tried to do the right thing in these state states. And now they're

01:24:44.280 being told by unelected judges that they must fund it. So if you object to children having this done

01:24:52.380 and you live in any state now, because it's going to, if it doesn't get challenged,

01:24:55.380 other test cases will go up all around the country, unless the Supreme court resolves this

01:24:59.840 and we'll have similar rulings and you'll have to, you've got to participate in this,

01:25:04.620 notwithstanding what, for example, the Pope says in the Catholic religion and what all sane religions

01:25:10.760 are saying, which is, this is not something we should support, but you're going to have to now

01:25:15.120 you're going to have to, because, uh, any state funded insurance program or healthcare program

01:25:20.240 needs to pay for this gender affirming care. And why? Because the trans activists are vicious 1.00

01:25:29.020 and they're damn effective. And while we weren't paying attention, they were making inroads in all

01:25:36.660 50 States in this nation. And again, it must be undone. Michael Knowles, a pleasure, sir. Thanks for

01:25:44.220 being such a good sport today with all our callers and our dog conversation. You were great.

01:25:48.480 The pleasure was all mine, Megan. Thank you. Thank you to all the callers,

01:25:52.480 especially the three who agreed with me and I look forward to seeing you next time.

01:26:01.280 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - April 29, 2024

Kristi Noem Shoots Her Puppy, Cringe Kamala Interview, and Campus Chaos Continues, with Michael Knowles ｜ Ep. 777

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