The Megyn Kelly Show - KY AG Daniel Cameron, on COVID restrictions, the Breonna Taylor case, and Trump. ｜ Ep. 39

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.040 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.280 Today on the program we've got Daniel Cameron, and this is going to be a treat.

00:00:20.720 You may know him better as the Attorney General of the Commonwealth of Kentucky,

00:00:25.040 and he became a national star this past year through his Republican National Convention speech,

00:00:32.880 and also because he is the AG who handled the Breonna Taylor case.

00:00:38.220 This is one of the cases that was made a very big national news story by Black Lives Matter activists

00:00:43.960 and others who wanted to see three police officers indicted for murder after a young woman,

00:00:49.360 Breonna Taylor, was tragically killed inside of her own apartment after the cops executed a warrant.

00:00:56.040 We'll get into the details of that case in a minute, but the grand jury basically did not

00:01:02.540 recommend charging the officers with murder. Daniel Cameron, the Attorney General, did not

00:01:06.640 recommend that they return charges and indictment against the officers because there was a boyfriend

00:01:14.000 inside the apartment who admitted he fired the first shot against the cops and actually got one of them.

00:01:19.360 in the femoral artery, that they were only returning fire, not starting it. And he was promptly

00:01:25.040 demonized. Daniel Cameron happens to be Black. That made people attack him as some sort of a race 0.60

00:01:32.320 traitor for not making sure there was an indictment. And he stood strong in the face of those attacks

00:01:39.680 and did not back down at all. He always expressed empathy for Breonna Taylor and her family,

00:01:46.440 but followed the law and did it in a situation that was really tough and very fraught, very fraught,

00:01:53.240 of course, as you know, given what the country's going through. So I admire him because he seems

00:01:57.540 strong to me. If you have the time, go back and YouTube his RNC convention speech because it was

00:02:03.520 great. And he's definitely a rising star in the Republican Party. He's only 35 years old.

00:02:07.420 Um, he's married, his wife's a school teacher. He's from Louisville. That's how you got to say

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00:04:58.400 Let's kick it off with some politics coverage because this is the week that the electoral

00:05:01.660 college made it official, uh, that Biden's going to be the 46th president of the United States.

00:05:06.580 Let me ask you as a lawyer. Okay. I forget, obviously you're a Trump supporter. You spoke

00:05:10.060 at the RNC and so on, but legally, legally, do you have any problem with that?

00:05:15.040 Well, look, I, I think, uh, you know, I certainly am, uh, the biggest supporter of

00:05:21.000 president Trump and have been grateful for the way, uh, that he poured into me and invested in

00:05:25.740 the Commonwealth. Um, and certainly, uh, respect, uh, the process that was undertaken in terms of,

00:05:34.220 uh, our court systems and, and, uh, really trying to expose, uh, any sort of fraud that might have

00:05:41.160 been undertaken during the election, but, uh, the process has played itself out again. I have,

00:05:47.060 uh, just been grateful for the way that, uh, president Trump has worked for the American people

00:05:52.700 over the last four years. Uh, uh, I was with him, uh, on Thursday and he continues to, uh, be an advocate

00:06:00.300 and proponent of the working men and women of this country. And I think he has, uh, shaped the

00:06:06.780 Republican party for years to come, will continue to have a substantial, uh, influence and will

00:06:13.040 continue to be a contributing, uh, factor in, uh, the, uh, the years to come. And I can't say enough

00:06:20.400 great things, uh, about, uh, his leadership, but obviously, you know, I think as, uh, as it was

00:06:28.320 and is his right, uh, to, uh, pursue, uh, the legal system to just make sure, uh, that the, uh, the

00:06:37.240 ballots and the integrity of our election systems were upheld. And, uh, I certainly, uh, think that

00:06:43.020 was his right to do that, but it, it looks like the electors will be, uh, making the decision for

00:06:47.860 Joe Biden. When you got up and spoke at the RNC, I mean, President Trump gave you that opportunity.

00:06:54.060 And, um, I know that you were also reportedly, well, not reportedly, I think it was

00:06:58.320 confirmed on his short list for the Supreme court, which is pretty amazing because you're a young

00:07:03.220 guy. Um, so, you know, president Trump actually has, of course, some people say he's a racist,

00:07:08.700 a white super, all the stuff, but when it comes to actually giving opportunities to people of color,

00:07:14.320 um, you're an example of him being pretty open-minded to that. And I wonder what you think of all the

00:07:21.100 claims that he's racist and he, you know, he's a white supremacist. 0.95

00:07:25.360 Oh, it's completely absurd. It's a, it's an absurd notion. Look, president Trump has been, 0.87

00:07:30.940 uh, Megan, as you've said, uh, uh, terrific to me, uh, but he's been terrific, uh, to the black

00:07:36.700 community in terms of, uh, you talk about opportunity zones with Tim Scott and the efforts

00:07:41.940 undertaken there to get those off the ground. Uh, you talk about some of the, uh, increases in

00:07:47.880 funding, uh, for historically black colleges that came through this president. Uh, you talk about the

00:07:52.960 economy just in general, how the economy, uh, before the pandemic, uh, was, was gangbusters in

00:07:59.700 many ways and increased exponentially and increased opportunities, uh, for black Americans all across

00:08:06.160 the country. Uh, and you saw the, uh, decrease in the unemployment rate for African-Americans. So,

00:08:12.420 uh, this president, uh, also passed the first step act, which, uh, was something that had been

00:08:18.040 around in terms of an idea, in terms of a legislative proposal, uh, for a while, but he

00:08:23.180 was the first president to be able to get it on, to get it done. Uh, yes, ma'am. In, in order to

00:08:30.680 reverse some of the, uh, decisions that were made in the, uh, crime bill of 1994. And so this president,

00:08:37.780 uh, look, you know, it's one thing, uh, to, to criticize someone for their rhetoric. Uh, but with

00:08:44.620 president Trump, you have to watch and look at his actions. Uh, and that's why at the RNC, uh, during

00:08:50.880 the convention at the speech, uh, I was so complimentary of him because he has again, been

00:08:56.620 a staunch advocate for the black community, but for all Americans. And that's what you should want

00:09:01.800 in a president, someone who is going to fight, uh, daily for the working men and women in this

00:09:06.220 country. I talk about, uh, my mom who, uh, has been a, uh, an, an advocate of the president and a

00:09:12.680 supporter of the president. Uh, she, you know, look, she, she lives in, uh, Elizabethtown,

00:09:17.680 Kentucky E-Town for short, right, right outside of Louisville. Um, you know, she sees, uh, every

00:09:23.380 day, the men and women of this country, uh, in Hardin County that are, are working every

00:09:28.600 day, uh, and, uh, you know, making decisions about where to put money, uh, when they're around

00:09:33.960 the dinner table. Uh, and so president, uh, tapped into something and resonated with, uh, millions

00:09:40.900 of Americans. How do you feel about Biden? You know, I know at the RNC, you said, you

00:09:46.800 said no one's excited about Joe Biden. And I, uh, in fairness, I think that's true. They,

00:09:51.280 they elected him, but I think even the Democrats weren't all that excited about him, but they

00:09:55.640 got him over the finish line. And, you know, he, of course the media likes to ignore it,

00:10:00.400 but he has said some controversial things about race. Like there's no diversity of thought

00:10:05.380 in the black community. That was one of the comments you raised, uh, at your, during your

00:10:09.180 speech. And I know people just like to brush past that because he's a Democrat and they

00:10:15.100 wanted him to win. The media did and the Democrats did, but how insulting, I mean, as a black Republican,

00:10:21.060 what was your reaction to that?

00:10:23.020 Well, it's, it's disheartening, uh, when you see a major candidate for one of the parties,

00:10:28.320 uh, talk in those sorts of terms about, uh, there being no diversity of thought within

00:10:34.020 the black community or, uh, you ain't black if you, uh, don't vote for, for Joe Biden. Those comments

00:10:41.300 missed the mark. Uh, they were disparaging. I mean, it, it, it is, um, incredibly ironic,

00:10:49.240 uh, that, you know, the democratic party off often talks about diversity, but really they only care

00:10:54.940 about diversity if you have views that are consistent, uh, with their priorities. And I, and I,

00:11:01.320 what I hope my, my speech reflected and what I've tried to convey is that, you know, black folks,

00:11:07.980 uh, and black Republicans in, in specifically, uh, should say enough is enough. Um, look, there are 0.97

00:11:15.400 black men and women all across this country, uh, that have views that are separate and distinct and

00:11:24.020 apart from the democratic party. Uh, and we should be past a point, uh, where we should be afraid of,

00:11:31.320 uh, to express our views. And so every time I get an opportunity, one to say, I support president

00:11:36.940 Trump to, to say, I am a Republican and three, uh, to say that this party is big enough, uh, to,

00:11:45.520 to, to embrace and welcome those, uh, that again, believe in those core values that I think most

00:11:52.260 Americans hold dear, which is, uh, we're going to stand up for our constitutional rights and liberties.

00:11:57.380 And I think Joe Biden and elements of the democratic party are always trying to push the

00:12:02.400 envelope, uh, to restrict freedoms, uh, to change, uh, transform. I mean, you heard Chuck Schumer,

00:12:09.960 uh, talk a few weeks ago that, you know, first we're going to take Georgia and then we're going

00:12:14.680 to change America. Uh, those sorts of comments should be anathema to most Americans. Um, this country,

00:12:21.520 you know, we've always had challenges and, and, and we'll continue to have challenges. Uh,

00:12:26.120 but the trajectory that our founding fathers put us on was the right trajectory. Uh, and so I,

00:12:31.480 I'm going to continue to be a strong advocate, uh, for those foundational views, uh, that,

00:12:37.220 that began this country, uh, and that, uh, I believe the majority of Americans value and appreciate.

00:12:43.760 Now you've taken far too much guff for the, the sin of being a black man who supports president Trump

00:12:51.200 and who pushes back on some of these narratives. And I've seen it happen to so many men and women 0.65

00:12:56.340 like you. It makes me want to, it makes me want to put somebody like you on and give you a microphone

00:13:02.460 more and more and more, because the more they tell you, you can't say something or be something,

00:13:06.040 the more you want to say it and be it and, and say it and be it openly. Right. It's like,

00:13:09.980 who says I can't, who says I can't support president Trump as a black man. Who says I can't be

00:13:15.100 pushed back on the me too movement as a woman who actually came out as somebody who had been 0.93

00:13:20.420 targeted by a sexual, uh, harasser. You know, it's like these narratives get started. And then

00:13:25.160 if you push back at all, if you're supposed to be in the alleged victim group, you're some sort of a

00:13:29.880 turncoat, right? Like they call you an uncle Tom or they'll call me. I don't know what they call me.

00:13:34.880 Not nothing nice, but I don't care. I don't care what they call me. Well, and, and I, you're exactly

00:13:39.560 right. I mean, I think at some point you have to, um, and I, I talk with, you know, my wife about this

00:13:46.720 and, and, and others, you just have to be in the business of doing the right thing. And as the

00:13:52.240 attorney general, um, you know, my, the, the, the value set, uh, that, that I'm responsible for

00:13:58.900 upholding is our Kentucky constitution or our United States constitution. And that is a responsibility,

00:14:04.840 uh, that I take seriously. Um, and as it relates to being Republican, look, I, I, I proudly support,

00:14:12.160 uh, the, the virtues and the platform of the Republican party. And again, another thing that

00:14:17.560 I'll just reiterate is, um, president Trump, again, uh, yeah, I've been reading over the last,

00:14:25.240 uh, uh, a couple of weeks, a, a, a, a new biography about, uh, uh, president Ronald Reagan. And during the,

00:14:35.120 the fifties, uh, and maybe the early sixties, you know, this, he was a spokesman for GE. Um,

00:14:41.640 and one of the things that he did during that time in GE is he'd go around to the, the factories

00:14:46.740 and plants and talk to the folks that were on the line, that were working in these assembly lines

00:14:51.120 and working in these plants. Uh, and that really informed his thought process, uh, as he began his,

00:14:58.260 uh, political career. I think the same thing with president Trump. I mean, you know, what may,

00:15:03.920 as a man in, in the construction and real estate business, having, you know, soaked up all that

00:15:09.760 knowledge and information from folks that working in the respective, uh, industries that, uh, he

00:15:15.580 affiliated and associated with, he learned a lot and was informed. His thinking has been informed by

00:15:21.040 that. Um, and he tapped again into something, uh, in terms of the working men and women in this

00:15:27.200 country, uh, that I think will resonate, uh, and have lasting staying power within the Republican

00:15:32.520 party. And I'm glad, uh, because we talk about being a big tent party, uh, and, uh, president Trump

00:15:38.240 made that a reality. And, uh, I think it's important that we have folks that look like me,

00:15:43.840 uh, uh, represented in the party that we have, uh, folks that, um, uh, uh, you know, look like my mom, 0.99

00:15:52.040 that look like you, that look like, uh, uh, you know, Asian, Hispanic, everyone, Cuban Americans,

00:15:59.360 uh, everyone needs a seat at the table and the Republican party, uh, is big enough, uh, to,

00:16:05.540 to make that a reality. All right. Let me ask you a tough question. As you mentioned Ronald Reagan

00:16:10.160 and I, I loved Ronald Reagan. My mother did not love Ronald Reagan, but I, I loved Ronald Reagan.

00:16:15.360 It came out not long ago that he, he made some very racist comments in his time. It came out on

00:16:21.120 the Nixon tapes, uh, that Nixon was taping their conversations as he was known to do. And, um, the

00:16:28.300 one I remember just off the top of my head was they were looking at some UN event and Reagan referred

00:16:34.980 to people from African countries as monkeys. And it's uncomfortable to read and to know occurred.

00:16:45.800 And I just wonder, you know, on the outside, I'm a white woman. It doesn't make me hate Reagan.

00:16:53.940 It makes me understand he was flawed and he was a man of a different time, but I'm not the targeted

00:16:59.400 group there. I have been on the targeted group when I read things, some of the old presidents say

00:17:03.040 about women. Um, but how's that, how do you square that, right? You're reading the book about the guy

00:17:08.480 and you know, this, that this is a comment he's made and I'm sure it wasn't the only one.

00:17:12.420 Well, look, I look, none of us, uh, are perfect people and can make, uh, you know, rash, uh, comments

00:17:20.200 or abrasive comments. And look, I, all of us, uh, fall short of, uh, the, uh, the top standards,

00:17:29.400 which is, uh, you know, the, you know, there, there was only one perfect, uh, individual and

00:17:36.120 that was in the form of Jesus Christ. And so all of us in some way, uh, have fallen short of that

00:17:42.460 standard. And, um, you know, I, with, with president Reagan, um, I think, you know, from the point of

00:17:50.960 perhaps when he made those comments in, uh, with, uh, uh, president Nixon, uh, to the point where he was a

00:17:58.500 president, you know, there was obviously some time between there. So I don't want to, uh, comment too

00:18:03.680 specifically. Obviously I don't think that was an appropriate comment to make. Uh, but a lot of time

00:18:08.800 passed between, uh, when he probably made those comments and when he was president. But again,

00:18:12.920 we've all, uh, in our respective lives probably said things, uh, that we wish we shouldn't have said

00:18:19.860 or, or, or, uh, wish that we could take back. Uh, but the fact of the matter is, is that we said them,

00:18:25.800 uh, all we can do is repent and, and move forward. Uh, there are, uh, instances in which, um,

00:18:33.660 you know, I, again, even in this, uh, in, in this job, you say things that you, you wish you

00:18:40.500 wouldn't have said. So I, uh, can, uh, obviously look at that comment and say, no, that's not

00:18:46.220 appropriate. Uh, that's not right. Uh, but again, Ronald Reagan was a great president, uh, and,

00:18:53.120 you know, his, that, that the, the, the, the, the fight that he led against, uh, uh, communism and

00:19:02.900 the fight that he led, uh, against, uh, the Soviet union's, uh, view of what this world should look

00:19:11.900 like. Um, uh, the cold war ended, um, because that, uh, of the way that he touted American greatness

00:19:20.320 and democracy and freedom. Again, no one is perfect, uh, but I certainly appreciate, um,

00:19:27.780 the, the, that the mark that he left on the presidency, uh, and the way that he shaped the

00:19:33.700 Republican party again, in the same way that president Trump has shaped the Republican party.

00:19:38.340 Uh, but, uh, there's none of us that, uh, I think have lived a perfect life. And, uh, I think, uh,

00:19:45.060 whether it be Ronald Reagan or myself or, or, or, or any of us, uh, we've all fallen short in some

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00:21:39.560 I think you try to judge the full measure of the man. And it's like to look back at somebody like

00:21:44.560 Winston Churchill, you know, who, who fought Hitler, um, and Ronald Reagan, who fought the

00:21:50.080 communists and say anything other than they, they were great men who did great things. And like all

00:21:55.740 men and women were flawed, deeply flawed is to deny reality. As you point out, it's, it's true of too

00:22:03.600 many of us. All of us are flawed. Some of us are not great. Um, but anyway, I just wanted to get your

00:22:08.200 perspective. He said, you're reading the Reagan book as we now go back into shutdown mode, city

00:22:14.360 after city, state after state, as COVID is ramping up again. Um, I, what I see is mayors and some

00:22:21.640 governors getting drunk on their own power. I understand that there's a pandemic and that

00:22:27.440 they need to do something, but the willingness to just impose these sweeping shutdowns to the great

00:22:35.980 detriment of business owners and children, children in particular, who are not super spreaders. The

00:22:42.340 schools have been overwhelmingly safe. They can be kept safe and separated from elderly relatives by 0.89

00:22:49.020 their parents. You know, the whole shutdown of schools assumes zero personal responsibility when it

00:22:54.060 comes to the kids and their parents. Anyway, um, I, I wonder if you think we're going to see more and

00:22:59.160 more legal challenges over the next six to 10 to 12 months before the vaccine is widespread. And

00:23:05.200 hopefully we've achieved herd immunity, um, because it's not shutting, it's not slowing down. It's

00:23:11.080 ramping up the shutdown mania. I think you are certainly going to continue to see, um, more and

00:23:18.780 more, um, interested parties, meaning, um, you know, restaurants and, uh, schools and, uh, religious

00:23:27.880 institutions, um, and, and, uh, you know, folks out here that have just got tired of, uh, of, of being

00:23:35.760 told, uh, what they can and cannot do. I think you're going to continue to see more and more of

00:23:40.460 those folks, uh, enter into, uh, the, the justice system and in the legal context, uh, to push back

00:23:49.200 against some of these really arbitrary, uh, orders. I mean, I, I, before our governor shut down our

00:23:55.760 restaurants for three weeks, they're fortunately able to open back up, but he shut them down for

00:24:00.620 three weeks. This was after a period where they were allowed to be open, but even before that they

00:24:04.020 were closed. Um, and you know, a lot of these decisions, the decision-making process, uh, that

00:24:10.960 has occurred during this has really been arbitrary. I mean, we had, uh, at the beginning of, of this

00:24:17.100 pandemic, our governor had essentially tried to shut down all travel outside of Kentucky, um,

00:24:22.240 in-person worship services. He tried to, you know, uh, uh, shut that down as well. Uh, we,

00:24:28.640 in both instances, you know, pushed back pretty strongly against those either in, in court challenges

00:24:33.140 or, um, supporting court challenges. Uh, and so it, and, and we were fortunate to have federal

00:24:39.480 courts that agreed, uh, with our position and agreed with other interested parties that, you

00:24:45.060 know, he was intruding upon constitutional rights. Uh, but to your point about a lot of these

00:24:50.740 governors either because they've appreciated the limelight and attention that they, that

00:24:56.040 this has given them or, uh, have really made some arbitrary decision-making. Look, I, I've

00:25:01.820 said from the beginning, I completely understand a governor, uh, President Trump's, our local

00:25:07.260 officials' responsibilities to keep people safe. Uh, but we have to balance that with, um,

00:25:14.020 the, the needs and interests of our citizens. And we have to balance it with the constitutionally

00:25:19.540 protected rights of our citizens. Again, I, I talked at length earlier about, um, the working

00:25:25.880 men and women of this country. Um, some of the decisions that are made here in our, our state's

00:25:31.400 capitals, in our Commonwealth's capital really are devoid of the, the perspective of, of somebody

00:25:37.940 that's sitting at home at the end of a busy day, trying to figure out how they're going to,

00:25:42.060 you know, keep the lights on in their house, how they're going to pay their bills. Uh, a lot of

00:25:46.820 decisions that, that are made here in Frankfurt, um, just again, are, don't take into consideration

00:25:54.180 or account, uh, the unintended long-term, not short-term, long-term consequences of some

00:26:02.100 of these decisions that are made. I, I, I know of countless, countless restaurants, um, that

00:26:07.780 have had to, to shutter or close their doors, uh, and, and will not be opening back up again,

00:26:14.400 because of some of the visions that are made here in Frankfurt. And that's not a, a story that is

00:26:19.440 unique to the Commonwealth. That, that's a story, Megan, that can be told all across, uh, this

00:26:24.260 country. And it is a sad, unfortunate, unfortunate story because, uh, not only are you, uh, affecting,

00:26:30.140 uh, the, the business owners themselves, but you're also, uh, there, there are a lot of downstream

00:26:36.240 effects as well. You've got vendors who, uh, aren't able to, to transport to that local mom and pop

00:26:42.520 business because that business is closed and they've got employees and they've got to lay

00:26:46.920 those employees off. And they're waiting on, you know, dollars from the federal government that

00:26:51.380 may or may not get back to the States. And, and, you know, the allocations can be slow. Um, so again,

00:26:57.680 it, it is, um, it is, um, uh, a very, uh, difficult and strenuous time for a lot of folks across this

00:27:06.340 country. And when you look at, on the other side, the death rate, I mean, you look at the sheer

00:27:10.380 numbers and they're, they're bad. No one's going to argue that, that we're satisfied with the

00:27:15.880 fatalities that have happened in this country, thanks to COVID. But the risk, the risk of dying,

00:27:21.860 if you get COVID is actually incredibly small, if you are under age 65 and really low, if you're under

00:27:28.940 age 60 and, you know, there, there's a very strong case to be made. We had the great Barrington,

00:27:33.780 um, doctors on who submitted a proposal for some, you know, for limited risk-taking to be

00:27:40.160 allowed in order to let the country get, get going again, economically. I feel for the restaurant

00:27:45.180 owners here in New York, they spent thousands and thousands of dollars getting heating lamps

00:27:49.960 so that, um, they could make meaningful outdoor seating, but now it's getting too cold or expecting

00:27:55.200 a huge snowstorm on Wednesday. You can't sit outside with the heating lamp and then inside making,

00:28:00.260 you know, cutting back to 25% and cutting back on waitstaff and, you know, getting rid of extra

00:28:06.000 tables and now it's all shut down. Can't, can't do any of it. Um, anyway, you know,

00:28:11.420 your point, well, your point about New York is I was speaking to somebody this past weekend about,

00:28:15.980 you know, a lot of these restaurants, they don't make sort of their, their, their orders for food

00:28:20.860 and, and, and what have you, they don't make it the week of, they make it a tough couple of weeks

00:28:25.760 in advance. And so they already made those allocations and, and, and made those, you know,

00:28:31.340 payments for, uh, different, uh, from different vendors and then to be told that they have to

00:28:36.100 shut down. I mean that, you know, that's, again, that is short-term thinking that is not utilizing

00:28:41.480 a larger, um, sort of, uh, analysis and not bringing in for input restaurant owners and other

00:28:50.520 small business owners, uh, because you, you just have the limited view of, of government and,

00:28:56.720 you know, you know, the, uh, an attorney general or a governor, um, you know, they, we, we get

00:29:03.460 paychecks. The government folks will get their paychecks, but men and women, uh, who are, again,

00:29:08.460 on the front lines working at these restaurants or working, um, in these small businesses, you know,

00:29:14.400 rely on foot traffic. And, uh, it is, again, um, really painful to see some of these decisions

00:29:20.600 that are making, being made. And even, and even those of us who are willing to assume some risk,

00:29:25.640 you know, I don't, I don't go and intermingle that much with, with the society here in New York

00:29:31.700 in a time like this during COVID, but I'm certainly capable of walking down the sidewalk with my

00:29:37.300 husband, walking into a restaurant, staying six feet away from the other patrons, sitting at a

00:29:41.760 socially distanced table, having a meal and walking back home. The government's basically saying,

00:29:46.420 we don't care that you're going to do that. And you're going to be responsible in doing it. We,

00:29:50.380 you can't do it. You can't let the restaurant owner have your money because there's

00:29:55.460 some chance you're going to press an elevator button in some building that somebody is going

00:29:59.620 to touch and somehow get COVID, even though there's zero proof that that's ever happened.

00:30:02.740 You know, it's like, it's just the, the government control and the big brother approach to this

00:30:08.020 problem is, uh, it's just getting out of control. And we're seeing it again as the weather gets bad

00:30:12.780 and the numbers shoot back up. Back to Kentucky AG, Daniel Cameron, in just one second, we're going

00:30:18.920 to get into the Breonna Taylor case next and the ridiculous and awful racial backlash against him

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00:31:39.540 That's code radio at hometitlelock.com. And now we want to bring to you quickly a feature we call

00:31:45.980 Asked and Answered here on the program where we answer some of our listener questions and we bring

00:31:50.920 in our executive producer, Steve Krakauer. For this, Steve, what's the latest question?

00:31:55.940 Yeah, Megan, we're getting lots of great questions at questions at devilmaycaremedia.com. Also lots of

00:32:01.320 just general emails that are really nice. But we also like these nice, concise questions that we

00:32:06.600 sometimes get from Instagram, from Twitter, Facebook, at Megan Kelly Show on all those platforms.

00:32:12.300 This one came to us from Kyle Haynes on Instagram, and wants to know who is your biggest influence?

00:32:18.840 Thank you, Kyle. It's my mother, for sure, Linda, who is larger than life and hilarious. If you want

00:32:27.520 to know about my mother, you should read my book, Settle for More, because I made a conscious effort

00:32:31.560 to include some stories in there that would reveal who she is. And everyone fell in love with her. 0.56

00:32:36.180 Everybody stops me on the street to say, Oh, my God, I love you. I want to meet your mother,

00:32:39.560 though. That's that's who I really want to meet because she's just so funny. Sometimes intentionally,

00:32:44.540 sometimes not. Like I was talking to her over the quarantine, you know, in last whatever, March,

00:32:51.720 April. And she said, How are you doing? I said, Oh, good. I said, You know, we're in Montana pretty

00:32:56.080 soon that the bears are gonna start waking up and start walking around. She said, Oh, I'd be much

00:33:00.380 more worried about the bears than I would covert 12. What mom? What? What? I said covert 12. She said,

00:33:08.100 I don't know what the hell it's called. It's got 50 different names. I said, Mom,

00:33:11.500 no, it literally has only two and covert 12 is not one of them. That just I was talking to her last

00:33:17.220 week, and she was like, Oh, that Dr. Fawcett, he'd never stop. I'm like, No, wrong again.

00:33:23.720 Anyway, she's funny. And she never takes herself too seriously. And that's a gift she passed on to me

00:33:29.860 to not take myself too seriously, never get drunk on my own wine. And if I screw up, I'm pretty quick to

00:33:34.980 get over it. Because you know, I realized this is fun and all. But this isn't brain surgery. We don't

00:33:40.100 have somebody's lives in our hands the way a doctor does in the OR. And so you got to keep things in

00:33:45.160 perspective. I have been thinking about her though, this week, because December 15. It's the anniversary

00:33:53.220 of my dad's death. And he died when I was 15. And he was 45. I have a massive heart attack 10 days

00:34:01.180 before Christmas, 1985. And my mom was only 44 years old. And she had two kids in college. And

00:34:08.820 then there was me, I was a sophomore in high school at the time. And there had been no warning,

00:34:13.440 not no previous heart troubles, nothing. So to say we were surprised and shocked and not prepared is

00:34:19.620 an understatement. But my mom, somehow she kept it together. And I think in the way a parent has the

00:34:27.660 ability to make her kid an erotic, you know, like, don't touch that. That's dangerous. That's awful.

00:34:31.760 Oh, my God, it's terrible. This that, you know, they also have the ability to be a calming port in

00:34:38.700 a storm. And my mom was that my mom was upset. My mom was, at times a wreck. But she always managed to 0.59

00:34:46.900 find a way to laugh, to get dinner on the table, to be there to listen, counsel, support. And the

00:34:54.920 message I got from her, and it was just the two of us living in the house by ourselves for the

00:34:59.260 remainder of my sophomore year, my junior and senior, was that it's okay. You know, tragedy

00:35:06.640 comes, sadness comes, overwhelmingly awful things can happen to you suddenly and unfairly. But you're

00:35:14.080 okay. You've always got people in your life you can hold on to that matter, the people who help define

00:35:19.060 you. And it's certainly not anybody you're reading on the internet, you know, but the people who know

00:35:23.140 you. And those are the places you retreat when difficult times come and they matter. And, you

00:35:29.800 know, I still got her, thank God, she'll be 80 in July. She's still making me laugh. And I just think

00:35:37.060 like, if you have that one guiding force in your life to to remind you that you're fine, this life is

00:35:42.780 difficult, but it's fine. It can be a real gift. And if you don't have that real force, find it. That's

00:35:50.240 where the internet is helpful, right? To find more calming voices. Or we had Sam Harris on talking

00:35:54.560 about meditation. My sister-in-law, Diane, who I love, Doug's sister, she's always saying,

00:35:58.900 Meg, you, you never do meditation. You never do this stuff because you're, you've never been

00:36:03.680 somebody who needs that. Like this stuff has always come naturally to you, this perspective and this

00:36:07.680 ability to calm your mind and so on, which is true. I will say, and that's all from my mom.

00:36:11.900 My mom just never telegraphed emergency, panic, nerves, you know, breakdowns. My mom just took

00:36:21.420 punch after punch and kept rolling. You know, she just kept rolling. So it's just something to think

00:36:27.040 about for everybody this holiday season, which I know gets a lot of people down. Some, some people

00:36:31.300 are totally joyful. Some people are really down. Sometimes you feel lonely. You feel like disconnected

00:36:36.240 and like, you're not going to make it through. And, uh, just, just kind of remember that if you

00:36:41.540 don't have that support system, you can find it, can find it online. You can find it in line at the

00:36:46.360 grocery store. If you just smile at the cashier and she smiles back and you remember that there is

00:36:52.000 human connection in this world, sometimes small, sometimes large, but it all matters. You know,

00:36:57.080 you can get it for yourself or someone might deliver it to your doorstep. Anyway, it's her. And I hope at

00:37:02.320 one point on this show, uh, you will get the pleasure of listening to Linda, Hurricane Linda,

00:37:09.200 as we like to call her. I hope you take this holiday season as, as a good excuse to reconnect

00:37:14.080 with somebody who loves you and who you love and who makes you feel the way my mom makes me feel.

00:37:19.100 Back to Dana.

00:37:22.840 Let's talk about the case that made you a household name, if you don't mind. And that is the Breonna

00:37:27.120 Taylor case. So this case we all watched play out this year. Uh, she was the only woman who Oprah

00:37:34.500 ever put on the cover of O magazine other than Oprah, who, um, always put herself on. And Breonna

00:37:43.740 was killed in her apartment on March 13th by police, uh, three police officers who had come into the

00:37:52.100 department executing, uh, an, a warrant in a drug case. And they believe that she had been helping.

00:37:58.240 She may have been helping her ex-boyfriend in some way in his drug business. Um, so you get the case

00:38:05.940 because the local prosecutor recused himself. And so they call you up the attorney general and say,

00:38:11.720 here you go. It's, it's a case completely fraught. Um, it's in the middle of, you know,

00:38:19.100 Black Lives Matter existed prior to this and would ramp up during this. And I'm wondering if you,

00:38:23.480 as a guy with a very bright political future in front of you, what were, whether you were at all

00:38:27.720 worried about taking this and whether they said to you here, will you try this? Were you thinking,

00:38:32.300 Oh, great.

00:38:33.660 Well, look, let me, let me say, um, you've got, uh, you've got the timeline down, uh, pretty well.

00:38:40.240 Um, when this happened, uh, on the morning of March 13th, it was, uh, and still continues to be

00:38:49.080 a tragedy. I mean, there's no, no other way to say it. Um, and, uh, it is deeply saddening that,

00:38:57.140 uh, that Breonna Taylor lost her life. Um, there's just, again, no other way to say it. Uh,

00:39:04.400 the local prosecutor, uh, was conflicted out of the case. And so what happens is that at that point,

00:39:11.700 um, it then goes to the attorney general to make a decision about who should be the special

00:39:17.500 prosecutor. And so this office has its own special prosecutions unit, or you can, uh, farm the, uh,

00:39:26.120 the case out to another office. The reason, and, and I, I, I made the decision very quickly. Uh,

00:39:32.320 and the, and the reason we did so is because I understood, uh, that this office had the bandwidth

00:39:40.340 and the resources and the level of experience to handle this case.

00:39:46.560 This is what I want to ask you. This is going back to what you said earlier. You just have to be in

00:39:50.780 the business of doing the right thing. I get it. It's, it was the right thing given all the reasons

00:39:55.540 you have, but I'm thinking as a rising political star, was there any part of you that was thinking,

00:40:00.900 Oh God, there's just no winning on this one. There's just no great outcome I can achieve in

00:40:09.220 this role on a case like this. You know, I honestly, Megan, it didn't. And, and, and,

00:40:14.380 and I'll point you back at this didn't get much coverage, but when I, when I was sworn in, I was

00:40:19.380 actually sworn in a little bit earlier because my, my predecessor became, uh, the governor. And so

00:40:25.220 his term started a little early. Uh, so the week after he was sworn in, he actually appointed me to

00:40:30.260 start on December 17th. So he was sworn in December 10th. I started December 17th and I had a little,

00:40:36.380 uh, small, um, uh, swearing in, if you will. And the comments that I made after the swearing in were

00:40:44.740 there will never be, I cannot promise any easy answers, um, in this office and there will be

00:40:50.360 challenges. Um, and I hope people would respect that, that there will be challenges and that there

00:40:57.960 won't always be easy answers from this, this office. And that is, is clear as day from this

00:41:04.080 case. I mean, look, they, when we took it, um, again, it, I knew it would be challenging. Uh, but

00:41:11.260 as I've, I've mentioned at the beginning here is that my responsibility is to the law. Um, and I have

00:41:18.400 to do that without fear or favor. And regardless of what the long-term, uh, prospects for me are,

00:41:23.980 or what the consequences are, uh, for me, my, my responsibility is to do what I'm charged to do

00:41:30.240 in this job, uh, that I was, uh, was given the chance to, to do, and then was bestowed upon me by

00:41:37.960 the citizens here, uh, in Kentucky. And so when, when our investigators and our prosecutors looked at

00:41:44.500 the case, um, it became very, uh, clear now, and I'll make the point that this was a fact intensive

00:41:51.140 investigation because we didn't, uh, like what occurred with, uh, uh, Mr. Floyd in Minnesota or,

00:41:57.640 or others, uh, we did not have the, the fortune of, of body camera footage, uh, from the actual

00:42:05.620 incident itself. So there might've been footage from after, um, um, um, the incident or before,

00:42:12.400 but none of the actual shooting or the exchange of fire, uh, tragic loss of Ms. Taylor.

00:42:18.340 Let me just, let me just interrupt you for one second so I can get the listeners up to speed

00:42:22.820 because I don't want to go too far down this path without them knowing what the facts are,

00:42:26.600 if they didn't pay attention to this. Um, so the, the three police officers went over there to execute

00:42:32.160 what, what we were told initially was a no knock warrant, but they had been told after they received

00:42:39.760 the warrant, you, you should serve it, um, as, as if it's not a no knock warrant, go over there,

00:42:47.000 knock and announce yourself. And so the police say, that's exactly what we did. We got to Brianna

00:42:51.380 Taylor's apartment looking for evidence in the ex-boyfriend's, uh, alleged drug, drug trafficking

00:42:56.780 syndicate. We knocked repeatedly. We shouted police warrant open up. Um, they say they, it was at least

00:43:04.440 six times. Um, then they, they busted down the door, went inside. As soon as they got inside Brianna

00:43:11.640 and her current boyfriend of the time, Kenneth Walker were standing there at the end of a hallway.

00:43:17.760 Walker was allegedly in the firing stance, legs apart, gun at the police officers. And according

00:43:24.620 to you, Walker admitted that he fired on them, that he fired first. He shot, uh, Sergeant Mattingly.

00:43:31.200 There were Sergeant Mattingly and two detectives in there as well. He shot Sergeant Mattingly in the

00:43:35.460 femoral artery. Uh, and then the officers returned fire. Ken Walker, the boyfriend was not,

00:43:42.020 I don't think he was even shot. He wasn't killed. Brianna Taylor, unfortunately was shot and killed

00:43:47.500 that night. And this whole case was about whether the police had committed the crime of murder or some

00:43:54.800 other lesser crime in executing this warrant in the way they did. There was a dispute about whether

00:44:00.540 they did in fact identify themselves as police, whether they yelled it. Um, 11 people in the,

00:44:05.500 in the apartment area said they didn't hear that. One witness said he did hear them identify

00:44:10.580 themselves. Uh, the police themselves said, of course, that they did it. Kenneth Walker said he

00:44:15.660 didn't hear it. Uh, and so you had, there were credibility issues to decide. Uh, there was, I,

00:44:22.180 I think very little doubt that Kenneth Walker shot first and that the cops, you know, had been

00:44:27.620 injured and one of them had been potentially fatally. It could have been in the femoral artery

00:44:32.360 injured and shot back. So this is all fraught. I think the viewers can understand. These are three

00:44:38.120 white cops. Um, and Brianna Taylor was black. And so it plays in, even though there's no explicit 0.68

00:44:46.460 evidence of racism here, it just plays into this ongoing alleged narrative that the police are

00:44:51.540 reckless when it comes to black lives. And too many of them have been taken unjustifiably. And what,

00:44:57.180 what her family wanted was murder charges against those officers, which did not happen. One,

00:45:03.660 just as an aside, one of the officers was charged with wanton endangerment for randomly firing into

00:45:08.440 a neighboring apartment where there wasn't young family. Uh, no one was hurt. And the other two,

00:45:13.800 the ones who had been responsible for the firing inside of Brianna's apartment did not get charged with

00:45:18.220 anything. Um, so after that whole thing happened and you came out and gave a really strong press

00:45:27.100 conference, I watched the whole thing and thought you were very brave, very brave. You didn't make

00:45:33.080 excuses for the, the grand jurors decision or anything. The grand jury came out and they seemed

00:45:41.480 angry. They seemed angry with you. They said, um, he said that we agreed with our call not to charge

00:45:51.160 those other officers. That's not true. We weren't given the option to charge those other officers.

00:45:57.580 We were only presented with that one possible wanton endangerment charge for the third officer.

00:46:03.660 We, we never heard about self-defense or justification. We didn't have homicide offenses

00:46:08.020 explained to us. And, um, they kind of, a couple of them turned the table back on you. So

00:46:13.960 what was your response when you saw extremely unusual for the grand jurors to get a motion to unseal the

00:46:19.540 proceedings and to sort of come after you in the wake of that? Well, look, I, I was, um, I, I still,

00:46:26.700 uh, am very confident and, and, and proud of the work that, uh, our career prosecutors and

00:46:34.740 investigators did and the presentation, uh, that they gave to the grand jury. They presented all of the

00:46:41.080 facts. Um, the, in terms of the recommendation that we gave, the recommendation, uh, was for wanton

00:46:48.900 endangerment as it relates to this third officer. Um, you know, at the time of the press conference,

00:46:55.500 obviously there were certain things that could be said and couldn't be said. And, um, after, uh, the

00:47:01.880 unusual, uh, and all in really unprecedented decision, uh, to disclose all of the information

00:47:11.420 related to the grand jury proceeding, uh, came out, we felt a little more comfortable, uh, in talking

00:47:16.740 about what that recommendation was. Um, but I've never hid from the fact that that was our recommendation.

00:47:22.840 I, I, again, you've eloquently put forth, uh, the facts, uh, of that evening, uh, or the early

00:47:30.480 morning of March 13th, as it relates to what happened. Um, again, uh, Mr. Walker, uh, upon, uh,

00:47:37.780 the officers entering into or attempting to enter into, um, Ms. Taylor's apartment, uh, Kenneth Walker

00:47:46.780 fired the first shot. And as you noted, hit, uh, uh, uh, Sergeant Mattingly, um, and Sergeant Mattingly

00:47:54.800 and Detective Cosgrove returned fire. And the tragedy here is that Ms. Taylor was hit, uh, and,

00:48:01.600 and died because of, of, of, of being shot. And I've never, uh, disputed that, but they

00:48:07.540 were justified in returning fire, uh, because they were fired upon. Now there's a third officer

00:48:13.140 that was at the scene and we have, uh, moved forward in prosecuting that officer because,

00:48:19.460 uh, of, of, of, uh, wanton endangerment. And I can't speak any more specifically on that. Uh,

00:48:27.500 but everything that we did as it relates to the decision and recommendation, uh, was based

00:48:35.020 on the law and nothing else. And again, that is, I hope what people want and in their attorney

00:48:40.260 general, frankly, I have, uh, no concerns about what the grand jurors, uh, said and have never,

00:48:47.160 uh, been, uh, concerned about what they might say when, when all of this, uh, became apparent

00:48:56.980 in terms of the decision to allow these grand jurors to speak. Um, it was initially our

00:49:02.840 responsibility, uh, to stand up for, uh, the grand jury process and the confidential nature

00:49:10.040 of the process. And we had other prosecutors across the Commonwealth who wrote a letter, uh,

00:49:16.240 encouraging, uh, the, the judge to abide by what had been, uh, historically the process,

00:49:24.100 uh, which is to make sure all these things are, are closed. Um, that has been the way that grand

00:49:30.060 jury proceedings have occurred, uh, for as long as any of us can remember. And so, uh, the prosecutors,

00:49:37.920 uh, and myself, uh, were standing up for the institution, but it didn't matter to me what those

00:49:44.120 grand jurors said because we were, and I, again, continue to be confident in the process that we

00:49:48.920 undertook. In fact, all of the information is out there about the case now. Yeah, no, you can see,

00:49:54.920 you can see it for yourself, but let me ask you, cause I have a couple of questions I want to get

00:49:57.880 through with you. We don't have too much time today with you. Um, if it had been served as a no knock

00:50:02.380 warrant, like they received a no knock warrant, they received the approval for that. So if they had

00:50:06.900 served it as a no knock warrant, which is given, people don't understand sometimes that's given

00:50:10.560 out of concern for the officers. The officers can prove to a court with an affidavit that they are

00:50:15.440 worried that if they give the person inside of what may be a dangerous apartment, um, a heads up

00:50:21.720 that the cops are about to storm in, they're going to get shot. Right. And that's, and that I guess

00:50:26.740 there was concern about who else might be in Brianna's apartment. They got it. If, if the cops had

00:50:33.840 not identified themselves, you know, if, if you had concluded, I don't believe you when you say I

00:50:39.660 yelled police coming in police. And if they hadn't knocked as, you know, Brianna Taylor's

00:50:45.440 family and Kenneth Walker's family and he were claiming, no, they didn't identify. No, they

00:50:50.500 didn't knock. Would it have been a possible manslaughter or murder situation? Well, I, I,

00:50:58.400 I hate to speculate. And as obviously as a part prosecutor, you don't want to be in the position

00:51:04.360 of speculating on, on a case, but what I'll say, look, the, the FBI is still conducting, uh,

00:51:11.720 its own investigation until, into the warrant process. Um, and so the, but the, the, the

00:51:17.660 warrant itself was the, the function of, um, you know, information that was provided to a judge

00:51:25.540 and the judge ultimately decided to, uh, issue a no knock warrant. And so, um, whether that would

00:51:35.480 have changed the analysis after a judge had given the okay for a no knock warrant, I, I'm, I, I,

00:51:43.120 again, don't want to speculate. No, I'll speculate though. You have a good point. If the judge says

00:51:48.180 it's okay, how are you going to hold the police officers officers liable for them doing it? I mean,

00:51:52.840 that's, that's a tough road to hope. I mean, the, the, the pushback in general has been no more,

00:51:58.280 no knock warrants, even though this one does not appear to have been executed as a no knock warrant,

00:52:04.820 which people sort of skip over. They just decide to disbelieve the officers say, but like,

00:52:09.380 are, are they done by the way, are they done now in Kentucky as a result of this case, no knock

00:52:13.520 warrants? Um, so, uh, I think there's an effort underway in Louisville, uh, Jefferson County where,

00:52:19.420 where, where Ms. Taylor lost her life in this incident, um, to, um, to really reform the no knock 1.00

00:52:26.600 warrant process. And, uh, and then there are in our, in our legislature, our general assembly,

00:52:32.300 there are some pre-filed bills. They don't actually begin their session until January,

00:52:35.680 um, to look at, uh, perhaps curtailing no knock warrants. There'll, there'll be a large conversation

00:52:41.500 about this. I know, uh, our office is going to, uh, uh, assemble a, a, a committee or a task force,

00:52:49.700 if you will, to look into just warrants generally, because I think it's important for an attorney general

00:52:54.540 to be a part of this conversation. Um, but, uh, you know, you, look, you, you talk to, to law

00:52:59.460 enforcement and your point about, um, you know, protecting, um, uh, those involved in executing,

00:53:07.280 uh, a warrant and, and, uh, you know, really it can be for the benefit of those, uh, that are,

00:53:15.700 uh, the subjects of a warrant as well. And so it'll be a, uh, a, a very robust conversation.

00:53:22.480 I imagine, uh, beginning in January. Uh, and I know there are a lot of, uh, uh, constituencies

00:53:29.080 on both sides, uh, that are well-meaning and, and, and want to talk about these things in good

00:53:35.300 faith. And I'll be curious to see how this all, uh, plays out, uh, uh, when the session concludes.

00:53:42.620 But the problem here too, is not only did Breonna Taylor suffer her family and, and she lost her

00:53:48.280 life suffer terribly, but Sergeant Mattingly got shot in the leg for executing a warrant on a case

00:53:55.540 that wasn't his. He was just doing his job as a cop, walked into this house, got shot, and now has

00:54:01.580 been vilified, vilified by the press, by Breonna's family, by Black Lives Matter supporters. And it's

00:54:11.740 to the point where not only is he getting death threats, his son has been threatened with, uh,

00:54:17.600 kidnapping and torture. And that's, that's the other piece of this is, you know, what's going to

00:54:22.900 happen to the morale of police officers who go in, they're executing a warrant, they get shot and they

00:54:31.360 shoot in return. And in response, they get vilified by the press, their children's lives get threatened.

00:54:37.400 You know, I just, I'm worried about them too. As you should be. And as, as all Americans should be,

00:54:43.840 I mean, look, you, you talked about Joe Biden earlier. I mean, it's going to be interesting,

00:54:48.360 um, to say the least as to how he, you know, will stand up to, uh, the elements of his party that are

00:54:55.460 talking about defunding the police when morale, uh, has already been low. And, you know, some of the

00:55:01.760 rhetoric that he has, has put forth and, and, uh, uh, Kamala Harris as well, I've put forth, uh, that

00:55:08.820 has really enabled some of this, uh, just violent, um, uh, activity that we saw over the summer and,

00:55:16.400 and, and, into, uh, the fall. So I, I am concerned and, uh, look, all I can do is the attorney general,

00:55:23.980 uh, is tell, you know, our, our law enforcement community that, uh, you know, we've, we, we

00:55:30.940 obviously, um, you know, appreciate and, and value, uh, those that, you know, put on the uniform

00:55:37.920 every day to keep our community safe. And, uh, uh, we, we've got to do everything we can to respect

00:55:44.440 the, their commitment to serving our communities and, and keeping people safe.

00:55:48.760 Mm-hmm. By the way, were those allegations about Breonna Taylor's ex-boyfriend,

00:55:54.500 you know, because the reason they got the warrant was they thought that she was helping him,

00:55:57.680 um, like passing FedEx envelopes and so on and letting him use her house as a mailing station.

00:56:03.440 Were those true? Do you, do you believe those were true that she was doing that or no,

00:56:07.220 is that not true? Well, we had a very limited, you know, uh, scope in terms of our analysis as it

00:56:13.800 relates to like what happened at the scene of her death. And so, um, really that was our focus and

00:56:20.420 we never really got beyond that. I know the FBI and, uh, as they take the lead on the, the warrant

00:56:27.100 and civil rights issues here are really looking into, uh, those specific questions. Uh, but, um,

00:56:34.700 you know, I, I'll leave others to, to answer those specific questions.

00:56:38.640 Well, that's a good point. That's a good point because, you know, I, I've heard that said about

00:56:42.300 her many times and I've heard some folks defending the cops say she was, she was part of a crime 0.99

00:56:47.460 syndicate or she was at least helping a guy who was part of a crime syndicate. But that's,

00:56:50.780 that's an important point to know. We don't know whether that's true. That's what the police were

00:56:54.400 alleging to get the warrant. And that's going to play out. Um, quickly, let me ask you about the

00:56:59.200 pushback you got. It was ridiculous. And you got attacked, not just as a prosecutor, which that's 0.96

00:57:04.980 fair game. That's, you know, you know, you know, you're going to get that, but of course they had to go

00:57:08.720 after your skin color. I mean, it was like, I, here's just a sampling of what we heard. Um,

00:57:14.020 Tameka Mallory, who's an activist, she's a BLM supporter. She said, you're wicked and an upholder 0.98

00:57:18.780 of white supremacy. She said, he's no different than the sellout Negroes that sold our people into 1.00

00:57:24.360 slavery and helped white men capture our people, abuse them and traffic them. That is who you are, 1.00

00:57:29.500 Daniel Cameron, a coward and a sellout. Uh, Alicia Keys called the whole thing rotten to the core. 1.00

00:57:35.820 George Clooney said he was ashamed. Viola Davis called as a bullshit decision. Black Lives Matter, 1.00

00:57:40.540 she said. And then you had the infamous woman on MSNBC, uh, Cheryl Dorsey, retired LAPD sergeant say 1.00

00:57:48.040 Daniel Cameron is skin folk, but not kin folk and should be ashamed of himself. What did you think

00:57:54.380 when you heard it get personal on this, the color of your skin? Well, look, Megan, it's all trash and 1.00

00:58:01.460 it's disgusting. And, um, those comments are utterly ridiculous. Uh, you know, I wake up every 1.00

00:58:08.360 morning, uh, as a black man and am a black man. Uh, I, you know, I, I, I think what you have seen,

00:58:16.740 and again, I, I alluded to this earlier is the level, the unbelievable level of intolerance that comes

00:58:24.960 out of those who affiliate, uh, with the far, uh, left of the democratic party and, uh, is often

00:58:34.140 enabled by comments made by, uh, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Uh, the fact that, um, I am a black

00:58:41.560 Republican has weighed and figured heavily in these comments that have been made. If you get on my social

00:58:47.900 media, Megan, I'm sure you've done this. You've seen comments that have been directed at me, comments

00:58:52.580 that have been, uh, directed at my wife, at my, my mother. Uh, it has been, um, incredibly, uh, uh,

00:59:03.200 disheartening to see some of those comments. I, look, I've, I, I've seen comments made by people

00:59:08.400 that, uh, a year ago, a year ago, uh, uh, uh, these people were attending UofL, uh, University of

00:59:15.780 Louisville football games with me. Uh, and so it is, um, it is par for the course that anyone who

00:59:23.020 stands up for, uh, the law, who stands up for facts and truth, uh, if it is in any way, or if you have

00:59:34.680 a different political philosophy, uh, if they are in any way, just an inkling, uh, of, uh, inconsistent with,

00:59:44.860 um, with the, the convention or what is, uh, told the way that black folks have to think, 0.97

00:59:54.020 uh, then you are a pariah. Uh, you will be attacked, uh, and you will be, uh, dismissed as 0.88

01:00:01.920 an uncle Tom or all the other, uh, disparaging comments, but you can have this conversation with

01:00:07.620 me. You can have this conversation with, uh, Clarence Thomas. You can have this conversation

01:00:12.660 with Tim Scott. Uh, again, if you choose to have a view that is inconsistent with what, uh,

01:00:21.260 black liberals, uh, and those in the Democratic Party tell you you should have, uh, then you are

01:00:27.520 targeted as public enemy number one. Again, I think, and I hope that my continuing to speak out 0.55

01:00:35.720 in opposition, uh, to this, uh, this trash and this filth emboldens other black conservatives. 0.99

01:00:43.840 I'm not even talking about black Republicans, just black conservatives to say that, hey, it's okay. 0.99

01:00:49.240 We can stand up and not be afraid, uh, of what, uh, those in, in, in black liberal elite circles might

01:00:57.420 say about us. Uh, it's okay for us to stand up for truth and for law and for liberty. Uh, and that's

01:01:04.340 what I'm going to continue to do, uh, regardless of whether I have a position of, of, uh, political

01:01:11.440 stature or not. It is my responsibility, uh, to make sure that I stand up for the views that I believe

01:01:18.240 in, that I stand up for the views, uh, that are consistent with the Republican Party and, uh, and, um,

01:01:25.340 and left the chips fall where they may. Uh, at the end of the day, I think this says much more

01:01:31.100 about those that have made these disparaging comments, uh, than it says about me. I have

01:01:38.060 consistently tried, um, to, um, not speak ill of people. That's, uh, just my faith, uh, tells me to

01:01:46.520 do that. Uh, and, uh, and I, and I won't, uh, speak ill of people, but it has been, uh, disgusting to

01:01:53.640 see these comments. And, um, I hope it is exposing, uh, the, the far left for what they really are,

01:01:59.900 which is intolerant, uh, to be quite frank. This is wrong. I got to ask you before I let

01:02:05.660 you go. Last question. Where do you take all of this as a future politician, right? I mean,

01:02:12.020 the governorship of Kentucky, which you point out as a commonwealth, by the way, fun fact,

01:02:16.480 uh, four commonwealths in the country, Kentucky, Virginia, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania. It's always

01:02:22.860 so fun. It's like, what, what? It's so weird. Google it. But anyway, Kentucky is one of them. So

01:02:26.480 the governorship, or do we, do we go straight for the big office and throw our hat into the

01:02:31.020 2024 presidential ring? Well, I'm just trying to get out of year one of this office. Uh, and I've,

01:02:37.200 look, I've, I've been so honored and fortunate to, to be the 51st attorney general of the commonwealth

01:02:42.940 of Kentucky and to be, uh, the first African-American independently elected to the statewide office here

01:02:49.500 in the commonwealth. And the great opportunity that's been bestowed upon me, uh, by the men and

01:02:55.320 women of all 120 counties here in Kentucky is one that I, I, I, I take seriously and, and hold

01:03:02.280 responsibly. Uh, and it's an honor to be in this role as you, as you noted, uh, over the course of

01:03:08.780 this conversation, uh, there are incredibly important issues that come across this desk. And so I, I look

01:03:14.280 forward to continuing to, to work here, to stand up for religious liberty and to stand up, uh, for the

01:03:19.200 rule of law and, and, and truth. Um, and, uh, and, uh, we'll see what the Lord, uh, has in store down

01:03:26.900 the road. You are strong. I've been watching you. You are one strong guy and you don't fold when they

01:03:32.660 come for you, which they have. And you said it, this is who you are. You just have to be in the

01:03:37.680 business of doing the right thing. I admire you. Can't wait to see where this goes. Daniel,

01:03:41.740 such a pleasure to meet you. Likewise, Megan. Thank you so much.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - December 18, 2020

KY AG Daniel Cameron, on COVID restrictions, the Breonna Taylor case, and Trump. ｜ Ep. 39

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