00:12:37.620Kyle and his wife, Samantha, were also philanthropists operating the Samantha and
00:12:41.840Kyle Busch bundle of Joy Fund, which helps couples with infertility issues after the
00:12:46.980pair had troubles of their own in that department.
00:12:49.080He is going to be deeply missed, of course, by his family, but also by the whole NASCAR
00:12:55.360community, now mourning one of the most accomplished drivers in modern history.
00:13:01.060So how exactly is it that what's been reported to be a sinus affection or a sinus-related illness
00:13:08.980potentially morphs into a cause of death at 41? We don't know the cause of death. I'm just saying
00:13:16.140that's the only illness he was suffering from that we know about. And 41 is supposed to be one0.98
00:13:21.000of those ages where no matter kind of what you're going through when it comes to illnesses you can
00:13:26.340contract, whether it's a stomach bug or a cold or a flu or a pneumonia, you're not supposed to die.
00:13:31.960You're not supposed to die at 41. Joining me now to discuss it is Bob Lajita. He's a doctor. He's
00:13:38.700a clinical professor of medicine at Rutgers, New Jersey Medical School and a guest of yours truly
00:13:43.400many times back in the Fox days. And Dr. Dirk Parrott as well. He's an emergency room doctor
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00:14:42.520Doctors, thank you both so much for being here.
00:33:02.320That's awful. I don't know any of the details of how far away the
00:33:05.360center where he was doing the simulator was from an emergency care hospital, or what the level of
00:33:11.160trauma care they were able to give was all those details will come out. And did you say it's
00:33:16.900mandatory for a 41-year-old? Was that just like loosely mandatory or actually mandatory for
00:33:22.660hospitals to give an autopsy to a 41-year-old? Mandatory. So there will be an autopsy? Yes.0.89
00:33:31.960I mean, I don't know, Dr. Perrin, how is it in Texas? I know in the New York metropolitan area,
00:33:35.900It's mandated in a young person who dies.
00:33:39.140In Texas, it depends on if you have an explainable cause of death.
00:33:44.700So if the doctors were comfortable, they knew what caused this, there was no foul play.
00:33:49.160It is not mandatory, but you have to have an explainable cause of death.
00:33:54.780I feel like any spouse, you know, a young woman like his wife is, would want one because they have kids.0.67
00:34:02.040you want to know, like you want to rule out, was this something genetic that we need to be testing
00:34:06.340for in the, in the next gen? And so we need to be on alert for it. Um, I'm sure she's not thinking
00:34:11.840entirely straight, but you know, I think whenever your spouse would die suddenly of a medical thing,
00:34:16.380you'd be worried about your children too. And just, just ruling things out. It's such an awful
00:34:20.500tragedy. Guys, thanks so much for pinch hitting on short notice and offering your expertise to us
00:34:25.500and our viewers. Absolutely. Thank you. Really appreciate it. Wow. Say a prayer. Say a prayer
00:34:33.620for that grieving family. It's so, sudden death is just so awful. It's so awful. You know, it's like
00:34:38.960the person who goes, we all kind of hope we'll go suddenly, right? It's like, you know, I mean,
00:34:45.040for the rest of the people out there, that's not going to happen to any of us listening,
00:34:48.340dying. We're just going to stick around. But for the family, it's just so painful. There's
00:34:54.960no chance to say goodbye. There's no chance to acclimate yourself to the possibility of one
00:34:59.680going. And when there's children involved, just so much acute pain for the mother to deal with
00:35:06.060their grief, being a single mom in a minute. You know, look at this guy. He's like a strong,
00:35:12.840tall, professional athlete, fierce, you know, the way he would battle rhetorically and take no,
00:35:19.240you know what? I'm sure she's used to being protected by him. I'm sure he was the alpha
00:35:26.920figure in the family, and now he's gone, and she's going to need a lot of support, and I'll
00:35:34.260bet you anything she's going to get it. The NASCAR family's very close, and I'm sure the fans are
00:35:41.140just wondering what they can do. Maybe we'll start a GoFundMe or something to help. I'm sure
00:35:47.720they weren't hurting for money, but there's got to be some way of sending her and the kids our
00:35:51.380love. It should start with prayer. Thank you all for tuning in and listening to that. We're going
00:35:57.880to move on to other news because we do have a whole show lined up for you on Kelly's Court,
00:36:01.360and we have just gotten ourselves a hold of some exclusive video in connection with the young
00:36:11.080Scottish man we told you about yesterday who was stabbed to death by a man in England who
00:36:20.560said he was allowed to carry this amazing, terrifying knife thanks to his religion and
00:36:30.940did in fact stab this 18-year-old young man with it. The cops came. The stabber claimed that he
00:36:39.460was the victim. He accused the victim of shouting some sort of racial epithet at him, of which there
00:36:46.880is zero proof. And as this young man lay dying, the police told him he wasn't, that he hadn't
00:36:54.320been stabbed. They didn't know anything. And did his assailant cry out, no, he has been stabbed.
00:36:59.520I'm sorry. It was an accident or it was self-defense, which is what he's now claiming
00:37:03.700as that case is on trial this minute in the UK. No, he didn't. He kept his mouth shut.
00:37:09.460There's been almost no photographic evidence of the alleged perpetrator here, the defendant.
00:37:17.460Somehow he's all been scrubbed from the Internet.
00:37:20.760Well, we've gotten our hands exclusively on a video that shows him up close and personal with not one but two knives, one of which appears to be a sword.
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00:52:50.400Back with me now are the hosts of Positively Legal on our MK True Crime channel.
00:52:54.460That's a podcast that's called MK True Crime.
00:52:57.300You can go over there and subscribe and listen to Positively Legal and enjoy.
00:53:01.680These are our Kelly's Court OGs, Mark Eiglarsh and Johnna Spilboer.
00:53:07.060Check out mktruecrime.com to find out all the platforms that they are on and how to subscribe.
00:53:11.480By the way, new episodes of Positively Legal drop every Wednesday.
00:53:14.960We call it Positively Legal because these two happen to be like these crushing killer lawyers who are actually always affable and can always find the positive in a situation.
00:53:28.600We pulled a soundbite just so people can get a flavor of what they might find on Positively Legal here in SOT20.
00:53:33.020You know that you are so busy and stressed when you get a text from your Botox doctor checking on your well-being, which I did, by the way.
00:53:47.200My Botox doctor is like, hey, everything okay?
00:53:50.960He literally did a welfare check because I haven't been there.
00:54:02.440i mean he's not your heart doctor he wants to put more stuff in your face okay yes yes yes
00:54:08.100and anywhere else that i'll let him put it so i miss him
00:54:12.120mark you don't know not everybody wakes up gorgeous like you
00:54:20.980the rest of us have to fight for it john i support you thank you in having the botox doctor on speed
00:54:29.280dial i'm gonna turn mark you know men are doing it too sure yeah i get accused they are you'd be
00:54:37.100surprised no i ain't gonna do it yeah i i will never get doug to do it but i do know some people
00:54:42.160in television and even in government who are getting the botox and i speak of men i mean women
00:54:48.020it's like not a shock but but even men and if they get it done right you don't even notice you just
00:54:52.600think that they look great you can't tell but if they're like smile ends here when you know like
00:54:57.640their eyes never, then you know, that's where a lot of guys get it. And of course, the famous
00:55:03.08011s. My injections are pickleball. I'm glad that statement ended where it did. Okay. I want to
00:55:14.980kick this off with this horrific Henry Nowak case. So he's a Scot and he was going to college in
00:55:24.840Great Britain in the English city of Southampton. He was walking home after a night out with friends.
00:55:31.820Yesterday, we said this happened in 2023. I'd like to correct that. It was 2025. It was December of
00:55:37.1202025. He was walking home, first year college student, studying accounting from a night out
00:55:43.180with friends. He had been drinking, but not much. He was not legally drunk. And a man approached him
00:55:49.680named Vikram Digwa, who is Sikh and dresses in traditional Sikh garb and carries knives0.85
00:56:00.760as part of that chosen garb. You're not allowed to carry certain knives in Great Britain,
00:56:06.300but there's an exception if it's for your religion. So for example, he carried an eight
00:56:12.820inch long shastar, which is a knife, as well as a Sikh kirpan, a ceremonial blade. All right. So
00:56:20.800we're showing a picture of it now and of this particular guy. In the UK, Sikhs are legally
00:56:27.800permitted to carry a kirpan knife in public as it's protected under religious exemption laws.0.93
00:56:33.720OK, so this they the two men had an encounter in which Vikram and Henry exchanged words of some sort.
00:56:44.160And the next thing we know, Henry gets stabbed four times by Vikram.
00:56:49.760Those facts are not in dispute that that is what happened.
00:56:53.820What words were said, whether the stabbing was in self-defense as Vikram is now claiming in court, we don't know.
00:57:02.060But that's basically what the arguments are. Unfortunately, Henry is not here to testify in his own defense because he died from those injuries. And the police behavior around his dying moments is absolutely outrageous.
01:00:54.400He's having yet another angry confrontation with somebody to the point where that person felt they ought to take out their camera and record what this guy was doing.
01:01:03.400Doesn't mean he didn't kill Henry in self-defense, but it doesn't look good.
01:01:10.280So let me start with you on it, Jonna.
01:01:17.580And unfortunately, our friends in the UK have lost their minds when it comes to race, free speech, and even the possibility of a racist thought or word.
01:01:30.940Here in America, it's not illegal to be a racist or even to say racist things.
01:01:36.180And believe it or not, that's a good thing, my friends.
01:01:37.980It's not like we all want to be racist and run around saying racist things.
01:01:40.380But we don't want to criminalize even the most controversial behaviors or statements that it crosses over into unlawful if you act on it and in the employment context.
01:01:50.360And that's your motivation for a decision, et cetera.
01:01:53.060But over in the UK, you actually can get arrested for like being a racist, having a racist thought or behavior or statement could actually get you arrested over there.
01:02:05.140And I do believe that's why Henry wound up with the cuffs on him, because they took this guy's word for it.
01:02:09.860Well, it's disgusting. And over here, that would not happen because over here, if police happen upon a scene and one guy is brandishing or has weapons on his body and another guy is laying in the street bleeding out, the person with the weapons is going to get subdued first, not the victim.
01:02:27.960So that's number one. Number two, so many facts about this, Megan, really rub me the wrong way.
01:02:34.080And for example, I don't care how drunk any college student gets.
01:02:38.540Do you think that person is going to approach somebody who's wearing knives?
01:02:43.000I just it wouldn't happen that way. So who really was the aggressor here?
01:02:47.380Who really was the one making the first move?
01:02:49.560Who who set out to possibly stab somebody and make this what could be a false claim of self-defense?
01:02:55.840I have a lot of questions in this case.
01:02:58.900Megan, Megan, Megan, the police say something major we're leaving out this to me.
01:03:04.760This is everything. And I'm so glad that both of you didn't say it.
01:03:08.500So I get to say it. I don't know what the facts are, but I do know that there are stab wounds to the kid's legs, his hind legs,
01:03:19.000which would indicate that he was turned away from this guy.
01:03:27.320Yes, because police say that Digwa, the defendant, was, quote, aggressively pursuing Henry, aggressively pursuing him, leaving a trail of blood.
01:03:39.660After the first attack, Henry tried to flee, but was pursued and further assaulted, being stabbed four times, Mark.
01:03:48.660But he's he's in court right now claiming and of course, Henry's not there claiming Henry called him a racial slur and that he was worried Henry was going to grab his gun.
01:04:01.000I'm sorry, his knife. I'm focused on America, his knife and stab him with it because Henry was drunk and verbally aggressive.
01:04:10.140And I guess in this guy's story, in the mood to commit an assault on this poor, innocent Sikh.0.99
01:04:17.300Okay. It is so predictable. And maybe it's because John and I do this work all the time.
01:04:22.300You start with a guy who's not going to say, okay, you got me. I stabbed the college kid
01:04:28.680because I'm aggressive and I've got issues and I didn't like the way he was looking at me or0.87
01:04:33.380maybe something that he said. He's not going to say that. He knows he's going to the pokey for
01:04:37.620years if he does. So let's go to the playbook. Let's add in something that's the worst you could
01:04:43.440say about someone, especially in that country, apparently. So he made some of these racial
01:04:47.860remarks about me. Aha, let's shift it over and make him the criminal. And we'll also say he's
01:04:53.180unarmed, but he was going to use my weapon and harm me. Aha. OK. And it worked so effectively.
01:05:00.620This guy played law enforcement like a fiddle because to this guy who's got injuries, he's
01:05:06.900dying, he's bleeding out. They put handcuffs on him. If that happened here, people would be
01:05:12.580looking for a new job for sure and maybe would find themselves in the pokey. Yeah. And they
01:05:17.900didn't they didn't put handcuffs on on Vikram, the defendant, Jonna. That's what's it's so
01:05:22.980outrageous. They took his word for it that a racial slur had been uttered. They put handcuffs
01:05:29.080on the man who was stabbed and down. They clearly didn't identify or examine him to see whether his
01:05:35.800claims of having been stabbed were true because they they were true. Then they were telling him0.93
01:05:40.800that they weren't. A post-mortem reports News Nation found that he suffered four stab wounds
01:05:45.800and a cut to his jaw with two of the wounds, as Mark points out, to the back of his legs.
01:05:50.300Now, I can see how maybe they wouldn't find the back of the legs if it hadn't bled through,
01:05:54.540if it whatever. But like you do a cursory examination before you decide whether the
01:05:59.160man needs medical help or not. And they weren't interested at all. So like Elon Musk is threatening
01:06:05.440right now or offering right now to fund the wrongful death lawsuit by Henry's family against
01:06:12.280the UK police. I mean, separate and apart from the legal liability or the guilt or innocence of
01:06:18.160Vikram, there may be something there in the civil courts. They're very well may because it's
01:06:23.100absolutely ridiculous that you're handcuffing somebody who's bleeding out and dying. And what
01:06:26.980did the police do? I'm wondering when they approached the scene, did they just say to the
01:06:31.940defendant. Hey, you know what? Can you just put that knife in your back pocket for me? Can you
01:06:36.200not wear it around your neck while we're processing this poor guy who's about to die? Like how? I
01:06:40.760don't understand how that works. And maybe because I'm not familiar with how they do things over in
01:06:45.880the UK, but it would never happen here. NYPD walks up to somebody who's wearing a couple of
01:06:50.340knives around his neck. That guy is going down that he might not get back until they figure it
01:06:55.240out. And by the way, Megan, you got a full sword. That's crazy. I don't know if he had it that night,
01:07:02.280but like he clearly walked around with it. Go ahead, Mark. I'm putting myself in the shoes of
01:07:06.180this this guy, the victim. If I see a man walking down the street holding a knife outward, one that
01:07:13.620could kill wearing, I might be taking photos. I might be videoing because that would look to me
01:07:19.300so unusual that i would think something's about to go down that's all i'm saying call me a racist
01:07:26.500maybe i just don't understand okay that you're you're that that that's a religious thing okay
01:07:31.480kill me you know for that but i would probably think oh my don't say that right something's
01:07:36.740about to happen and i'm gonna pull out my phone and keep an eye on him no you know what i would
01:07:41.400do he was reportedly henry out of there henry was henry was reportedly uh speaking to friends
01:07:47.760on Snapchat. That's why he had the phone. I don't, I guess it was like a FaceTime kind of situation
01:07:54.080when he came across Digwa. They did exchange words. Nowak is heard saying, in it bad man,
01:08:00.660what bad man? You're a bad man. Say you're a bad man. Go on. Digwa responds, I am a bad man.0.99
01:08:06.820And Nowak replies, are you a, and this is the only way I've seen it reported,
01:08:11.260B dot dot dot before the footage cuts off.
01:08:15.480And I don't know what that what that means.
01:08:18.440I have no idea what B stands for or what he was asking.
01:10:26.380I was racially and physically abused by Henry Nowak.
01:10:29.500I was petrified as he pulled out his phone to record his attack.
01:10:34.440But you know what's not in evidence, Mark?
01:10:37.020Any video of Henry Nowak saying anything racial whatsoever or friends who had been listening to him prior on Snapchat taking the witness stand to say, yeah, I did hear him use a racial epithet and referring to these two Sikh guys.
01:10:55.180There's been no evidence other than the defendant who's worried about going to prison.
01:10:59.060Yeah, I suspect that that might not be true. But putting it aside, let's just say, as you said earlier, let's say because even a prostitute can be raped and even even someone who is a racist, hypothetically, and we're not saying he is, can be, you know, can walk in on the street, not have issues. Right. And doesn't deserve to be stabbed.
01:11:18.080But I keep focusing on, OK, one guy had the knife. The guy who's walking down the street, the alleged perpetrator is walking down the street. How does he fear that the victim is going to get a hold of his knife? Because that's what we're talking about. The moment before stabbing, did the perpetrator reasonably, reasonably believe death or great bodily harm? And you can say, yeah, I believed he was going to get my knife. How, though? How is he going to get it? You had it.
01:11:46.100it's not like he was grabbing at it and he took it be detailed how is he going to do that not just
01:11:51.600in theory he could get my knife so i just stabbed him and i think that that's at best what the guy's
01:11:56.740claiming well there's more to the story because there are some key videos they're not it's not
01:12:03.080like our florida courts god bless you mark where we have this sunshine lawn that we get to see
01:12:08.240everything that happens over in the uk you see nothing so they're not releasing even the evidence
01:12:12.720publicly, at least for now. So I only have descriptions of the videos that they're showing
01:12:16.900to the jury. But apparently there was a video shown to the jury of Noak scrambling over a fence
01:12:22.720to try to escape Digwa after he was stabbed. And a separate video shows Digwa and his brother
01:12:29.360accused Noak of racially and verbally attacking Digwa. And Noak can be heard denying that.
01:12:36.200They're like, you called us a racial epithet or whatever. And Noak in his dying declaration
01:12:41.420denies it. Digwa is heard saying, no one stabbed you, bro. You're something up. I presume effed up.
01:12:50.360You're drunk. Meanwhile, he knows full well he stabbed him. That's not even in contention in0.96
01:12:54.500the court case. But in the moment, he's trying to tell the man he stabbed that he didn't stab him.
01:12:59.380And the dying man is saying, I'm stabbed and I did not call you anything racial.
01:13:05.240Another video was played to the court in which Digwa's father was there. He was traveling around,
01:13:10.620I guess with his whole family, saying he's pretending. A minute ago, he was talking to
01:13:15.260you guys. Now he's trying to get up and going to leave. Throughout the video, Noah can be seen
01:13:19.060lying on the floor as Digwa's family and neighbors tell him to sit up and listen to this. Two days
01:13:25.200after the murder, reports the Southampton Times, police covertly recorded a conversation that took
01:13:30.760place between Vikram Digwa and his brother Gurpreet, and a conversation, a transcript of it
01:13:38.080was read to the jury. At one point, the defendant's brother tells him, quote, you should say it was
01:13:43.340self-defense. I mean, this seems open and shut to me. And I'd be willing to go that far, Mark,
01:13:50.800if it weren't for the crazy attitudes about race in the UK. They've truly gone nuts.0.99
01:13:58.700But it's how the prosecutors handle it. They need to say there's no evidence of him using
01:14:03.300any racial slurs. But let's just say he did. That's not what we're here for. He's not being
01:14:10.380prosecuted for that. The issue is whether it's self-defense. And when you've got stab wounds to
01:14:18.460the back of his legs, they can't justifiably say that that occurred. There's just no way.
01:14:25.520He's now claiming, Vikram, the defendant, that Henry punched him and pulled his hair.
01:14:36.740And that's why he believed that he was, quote, going to stab me.
01:14:40.320I thought I had to do something because I was afraid he was going to stab me with my own care pen.
01:14:46.100He told the court he was walking to fetch some curried chips from a car when he met Noah coming the other way.0.98
01:15:22.560The jury would have seen or heard some of that.
01:15:26.360And, John, not only do we have the brother saying, say it was self-defense,
01:15:29.540and the father being like, you're fine, nothing happened to you,
01:15:33.880as his son has just stabbed somebody four times,
01:15:36.060but the mother is also on trial because she's accused of hiding the knife.
01:15:40.920She allegedly hid the murder weapon for her son,
01:15:44.500which I'm going to guess, never tried a criminal case,0.51
01:15:48.040but I'm going to guess probably had some blood on it.
01:15:50.600yeah yeah this is a family that wants to lie together to avoid being found guilty in this
01:15:59.340case you know another i want to go back to the point that mark made earlier with the knife wounds
01:16:03.960on the back of the victim's legs here's why because first of all if this defendant is so0.98
01:16:09.440much of a little bitch that he thought pulling hair would be would justify lethal force then0.99
01:16:15.480he's got another problem but this is different than somebody who shoots someone as they're1.00
01:16:21.440running away now you know if you shoot someone as they're running away the threat is probably over
01:16:26.040and you too will be prosecuted for that but if you stab somebody on their back side you have to
01:16:33.120physically be pursuing that person if they're running away you don't just get to stand and
01:16:38.120there's video right so this video of him running over trying to get over this fence with this guy
01:16:43.960continuing pursuit this defendant could not have been in fear at that point or and i'm going to
01:16:50.280guess at any point but he could not have been in fear of bodily harm at that point if somebody's
01:16:54.660running away and you have the night and you have to go after the person who you say you were in fear
01:16:59.880of yeah that i really hope they do the right those stabs to the legs further evidence is anger
01:17:07.740not fear the guy was angry he didn't get in the civil suit that's inevitably coming i'm sure i
01:17:17.320don't know uk civil law when it comes to wrongful death suits but assuming theirs is like ours and
01:17:21.420you can bring one the cops are going to have to answer for whether they did know this guy
01:17:26.960victim vikram digwa whether he was known to law enforcement and whether there'd been other
01:17:32.620incidents, like the one I just showed you that we got our hands on, showing him angry on the street
01:17:41.180with multiple knives, including a sword in his hand, a sword, a long sword in his hand, unsheathed.
01:17:48.760And why, if that's so, when they approached this scene, they didn't give the victim the benefit of
01:17:56.480the doubt. Why did they jump to accept this guy's word and not that of the man who was lying on the
01:18:02.340ground bleeding? And the answer, of course, is skin color. It's very obvious the UK has got a
01:18:08.740pattern now of this. The way this case turns out matters, and we're all going to be keeping a very
01:18:13.540close eye on it. Okay, let's move on. Something a little lighter, not for the poor woman being
01:18:19.120accused of this stuff, but for us. This poor woman at JPMorgan Chase, Lorna Hajdini, has had her1.00
01:18:25.960reputation ruined by what I think is some sort of wacko psycho. That's my opinion. Um, we've been1.00
01:18:33.700covering the story. So the audience has a working familiarity with it, I think, but just for those
01:18:37.500who don't know, these two worked at JP Morgan chase together. Um, they're high up bankers
01:18:44.300getting well-paid I think. And this guy is, he is Indian as well of Asian descent and she's white.
01:18:51.780And he alleges that she engaged in sexual abuse and racial bigotry and that she was his supervisor.
01:18:59.000She denies every single part of that racial abuse, sexual abuse, and that she was his supervisor.0.98
01:19:05.240It's a true he said, she said his tale is so bizarre and detailed and crazy that if it's true, she's a psychopath who should never be employed by anybody again.0.99
01:19:19.300Her response is, every word of it is a complete lie, a malicious lie.0.99
01:19:28.020We never had anything approaching a sexual encounter.
01:19:32.500I've never even been to half of the places he mentions in his complaint.
01:19:37.360I wasn't his supervisor, and there's something seriously wrong with this man.
01:19:44.420One of the questions we were wondering is, like, if somebody, just think about it.
01:19:46.940If somebody who was in your company or your law firm made the craziest assed allegations about you, like that you committed rape on them and like were this lunatic at every turn trying to sexually harass them and coerce them into sexual acts against their will, you would, you'd sue them for defamation.0.95
01:20:05.220You'd be like, this is so effed up. The problem is generally you can't sue for defamation when the allegations are simply made in an HR complaint or in a legal complaint that gets filed with a court. And that appears to be the case here. But she's she's filed a defamation lawsuit now anyway. And she said some of these things. These are all lies, all of them. And they're malicious lies.0.89
01:20:28.720They were told with malice, which you tell me, Mark, but my understanding is that's how you get around the general rule that you can't sue somebody for their legal pleading.
01:20:39.800Because if you can allege they did it with actual malice, then you can.
01:20:51.500It sounds to me like it's been made up.
01:20:53.940The story is absolutely bizarre, but I don't know.
01:20:57.480So I go to what can be proven. In her answer, and I read through that very carefully,
01:21:04.080she's saying things like, I was never even in his apartment when he claims certain things occurred.
01:21:11.240Okay, we got cameras everywhere now. Does it corroborate what he's saying? Does it support
01:21:17.960what she's saying? If it's just he said, she said, then there's something wrong. It's more likely
01:21:23.400that didn't occur if there's not a single witness, a text, an email, a person, a busload, a nun,
01:21:30.380somebody who can support what the guy's claiming? Well, I mean, it would be wrong to say there's no
01:21:36.820one because now he's submitted two third party witness affidavits to the court. One third party
01:21:43.220who says it was my apartment where some of these events occurred and I saw some stuff.
01:21:48.500And one who says, I was present on the night in September of 2024 when a sexual assault allegedly took place.
01:21:58.020They say, I don't have the details in front of me, but basically he's got two witnesses now.
01:22:05.300One says, witness one whose apartment it was, that Hajdini invited herself in there and that the plaintiff rejected Hajdini's sexual advances saying, I'm not interested.
01:22:16.380and uh i guess that both of these what do you make of that witnesses claim that they were
01:22:21.440eyewitnesses to this are we dismissing those i don't know because i don't know who they were
01:22:24.960yeah i am i am because i don't know who they are i don't know what kind of credibility they have
01:22:30.480and this guy seems like a psychopath to me i'm happy to come out and say i'm wrong if it turns
01:22:34.460out i'm wrong uh you know what do i like you i don't know what do i know i want to know what
01:22:38.560jonna thinks there jonna what do you think i'm eager to hear what you have to say what do you1.00
01:22:42.200I smell her ass. So a couple of things. We don't know the relationship of these two0.99
01:22:47.240friends who gave affidavits. We don't know the relationship to the original plaintiff. You know,
01:22:53.040the woman is now countersuing. So is it plausible that these people are like, hey, if you win,
01:23:01.100you cut me in. Here's what I'm going to say. No one's ever going to be able to prove otherwise.
01:23:04.920That bothers me, number one. Number two, the thing that bothers me is here's a person who
01:23:10.540invited the these two parties up into their apartment where the alleged plaintiff male and
01:23:18.320then the woman were in this other person's bedroom and then fooling around apparently and then the
01:23:24.920woman came out and said uh why don't you join us it doesn't make sense like if you if it's your
01:23:30.940apartment and you're inviting two friends in i guess and to what you know excuse me i'm gonna
01:23:36.360go make some popcorn you go you guys just use my bedroom do whatever you want i'll be out here
01:23:40.360it doesn't it that part doesn't add up she is categorically never been in that apartment
01:23:46.220none of this ever happened she i read through her her uh her complaint where she says no she
01:23:53.040never touched the guy like i thought this was going to be all right is this another issue of
01:23:56.780consent we were in a relationship but it was all sensual she's saying nope never never touched him
01:24:03.080never had a relationship with this guy what do we know about her lawyer forget jp morgan jp morgan
01:24:09.720says they conducted an internal investigation because this guy did bring a complaint to HR.
01:24:15.080So, I mean, I'm sure JP Morgan took this as seriously as a heart attack. Like this is
01:24:19.320one of their top executives. They seem to really like her. And so they wouldn't have
01:24:24.400messed around with this. They would have made sure she hadn't done this or if she had that
01:24:27.300they found out. They say she cooperated fully with the investigation and he didn't. They say
01:24:34.280she turned over her cell phone, said, I'm an open book, like go look through my emails,
01:24:39.180look through anything you want, and he didn't. So why didn't his alleged witnesses come forward
01:24:45.980to the hearing? Why didn't he say, speak to these two people? Maybe he did, and J.P. Morgan's lying,
01:24:53.280but I feel like they might have mentioned that. If he had all these harassing text messages from
01:24:59.840her, where are they? Why wouldn't he submit those to J.P. Morgan and to HR?
01:25:04.820So that's that's what I want to know about, like, his lawyer. Who is his lawyer? Do we know anything about him? Is this guy an ambulance chaser who just wants his 15 minutes? Or is he from a reputable firm who we would think would have vetted this case, particularly because it's probably out of contingency. So he thinks that he's going to get a percentage of whatever is recovered here. So he has to believe in the case unless it's again, he's being paid by the hour, but typically contingency.
01:25:29.820contingency. I don't know, but what I do know is that a year earlier, he was on, it wasn't Legal
01:25:37.360Zoom, but that's a similar website to the one he used, where you go on there and you can get a
01:25:42.160legal document and you can actually get a referral for legal advice. He went on, again, it's not
01:25:46.320Legal Zoom, it's some equivalent website. And he started typing in, I've been the victim of
01:25:52.100harassment. He said it there by a he, not a she, and at a different bank. He named a different
01:26:00.820bank. And it was Morgan Stanley, which is not the same as JP Morgan Chase. He said, I'm at
01:26:08.880Morgan Stanley, which I understand he actually did work at. I'll correct myself if wrong, but
01:26:13.880I believe he actually did work there. So he's saying it was a guy. I was harassed at Morgan
01:26:20.540stanley how do i like file a lawsuit and then they give you a referral and i think he he found
01:26:27.220a lawyer off of that website now that could be one of two things because she's claiming he made
01:26:31.720these exact allegations before in her defamation case she's saying he's a serial liar like or or
01:26:38.400at least a serial complainant the most unlucky unlucky fella in the world everywhere he goes
01:26:43.620the women, the women and men both just throw themselves at him. Can't resist. I mean, if you've0.93
01:26:50.320seen a picture of this guy, challenge. I don't believe it. But yeah, so she's claiming that
01:26:58.040he's made these allegations against somebody else at a different bank before. That could be true1.00
01:27:03.800based on that online complaint, or it could have been him testing his allegations, like putting
01:27:09.940his allegations against her in disguise onto this, onto this website. Cause I have to go back
01:27:16.860and see, it was like, I think he filled it out while he was already in the employ of JP Morgan
01:27:20.320Chase, but was just fresh off of an employee at the other place. Um, Oh, okay. Wait now this just
01:27:27.000in, we're, this is like this, this day we're getting breaking news on all of our stories in
01:27:32.000the middle of our stories. Okay. Now, Lorna Hajdini reporting from the daily mail has revealed the
01:27:38.360sickening messages she received after this guy accused her of making him a sex slave.
01:27:43.780Her attorneys have entered three emails that she recently received into the docket as exhibits to0.58
01:27:48.100further illustrate the havoc that this guy Rana's claims are having on her life. And one sickening
01:27:53.960message received on April 30th, a sender whose name is redacted, wished vicious harm on her and
01:27:58.640urged her to commit suicide. I hope you get gang raped to the point you want to kill yourself1.00
01:28:03.320after you realize what a worthless whore you are.1.00
01:28:08.460You effing piece of S, kill yourself.1.00
01:28:10.820I sincerely hope your family all die slow, painful deaths1.00
01:28:31.980That Arab guy is an effing P word, LOL. If all I had to do was F you and do it real good,1.00
01:28:38.900I'd be the president of Chase, LOL. Every man in America wants to F you now. Hope I get a turn.
01:28:43.800Another writes, new slave. OMG, you bad girl. Fly me out, damn. You got hips. I want to behind1.00
01:28:49.700you over the desk. And okay, you get the gist. So this is what this woman's been dealing with.
01:28:56.800And why is that in there, Jonna, to show us what? That's evidence. I mean, it's not evidence time
01:29:00.980in her case. But why is her lawyer submitting that? That she's been damaged, that this caused
01:29:05.520damage to her reputation. It ruined her personal life. It ruined her professional life. How much
01:29:10.640longer is she going to have to endure texts and emails like that from random strangers because
01:29:16.500this case has really gone viral? And if this guy is, in fact, lying, that's criminal. That's just
01:29:24.900not something subject, in my opinion, not just something subject to him having to write her a
01:29:29.920check or somebody having to write her a check for these kind of damages if you can ever restore
01:29:34.160harassment is a criminal harassment i'd say at the very least it's criminal harassment and you0.76
01:29:40.560know well because defamation cannot be criminal but damn you know maybe it ought to be in a case0.64
01:29:46.800like this because her reputation is completely ruined no but let's talk about it if this guy0.61
01:29:52.960and this is her theory and to your point mark it's a good caution we don't know i'm me backing
01:29:58.520her is just what my gut tells me having read his allegations, but I've been wrong before. I've been
01:30:03.140wrong many times, so I could be wrong here. But if her theory of the case is right, he has made up
01:30:10.600the most absurd, vicious lies. I mean, I just pulled a couple of the highlights from his
01:30:14.500complaint that she said, if you don't F me soon, I'm going to ruin you. Never forget I Fing own
01:30:18.580you. If you don't F my brains out tonight, I'm going to sabotage your promotion. That she called0.99
01:30:22.840him her little Asian appetizer, my curry in a hurry, little brown boy, fall in line brownie,0.99
01:30:27.880i own you brownie i own your life you gook um brown boy boy terrorist smelly indian curry man0.98
01:30:34.480that the entire team would call him um you know she allegedly said i'm still your boss and what1.00
01:30:41.300i say here goes trust me i own you if you don't f me soon i'll ruin you never forget i effing own
01:30:47.360you um she doesn't know she's not she wasn't her hands she wasn't his boss anyway before rubbing0.84
01:30:52.840his neck and head i mean this is vile stuff you want this executive director life you want to
01:30:57.620get paid like me. You're going to need to earn it. My little Arab boy toy that she propositioned
01:31:03.420for oral sex in the office. Birthday BJ for the brown boy, my little brown boy. Don't forget I1.00
01:31:07.420own you. Don't fight it. You smell so good. She allegedly said two days later, I really want to
01:31:11.800suck your long black. You know what right now? This could be you one day referencing senior1.00
01:31:17.660leaders as long as you start pleasing me. It's so vile. It's so X rated and then actually includes
01:31:25.080an allegation that she gave him Rohypnol and Viagra so that she could knock him out but get
01:31:33.700his unit to work. We actually promised the audience an answer to whether or not that's
01:31:39.060medically possible. It turns out it might be. I don't believe she did it, but it turns out it
01:31:44.820might be. We reached out to Dr. Zaid Fadul, a Harvard-trained physician, U.S. Air Force flight
01:31:50.760surgeon, chief medical officer at WoundCare360, and said all of this would be extremely dangerous
01:31:56.880and create cardiovascular and neurological risks, but said erectile function drugs can still work
01:32:05.300despite severe sedation or incapacitation. And this is a crucial medical and forensic point.
01:32:10.480He says erections come from two pathways, psychogenic driven by conscious arousal in the
01:32:15.100brain and reflexogenic, a spinal reflex at the S2, S4 level that works with conscious input.
01:32:22.120Hypnol knocks out the conscious psychogenic pathway, but the spinal reflex arc is reflectively
01:32:27.860protected from that top-down shutdown. So reflex erections could still happen in a sedated or
01:32:33.200unconscious person. Again, an outrageous allegation if untrue, even more outrageous if true, frankly.
01:32:39.640So why wouldn't there be a criminal charge against him, Mark, if all that stuff I just
01:32:44.480is made up out of whole clots just to ruin a woman. Yeah. In theory, there should be. I don't
01:32:49.900know if there's anything on the books where, you know, there is some criminal offense being
01:32:55.520committed. If he reported this to law enforcement, then there would be and it's not true, then there
01:33:01.120would be a crime. What I'm thinking of, though, is Jesse Smollett. Right. The details were so
01:33:07.580extraordinary and so outrageous. Initially, most jumped on the bandwagon and said, well,
01:33:13.700it has to be true. I mean, and it totally wasn't. And the problem that I have with it is not just
01:33:20.140what it did in that moment, but what it does for future victims. They have their word questioned
01:33:25.720more so because of people like this, assuming this guy is lying. So I agree with Jonna. Anything
01:33:33.040you can do to harm this man in a lawful way is coming his way and is justified based upon the
01:33:40.020horrific actions that he's taking, assuming he's lying. You know, John, Adam Carolla was on the air
01:33:46.000with me when this first broke and he made a great point, which is if she did this stuff,
01:33:50.960there's going to be more. That is not the behavior of a one-timer, you know, who just
01:33:56.780unleashed that torrent of alleged harassment and abuse, including an alleged rape just on one guy.
01:34:05.640Just, you know, he was the first one. No way. There should be a line of guys who claim me too, if this is real. But listen to this, more breaking news. Rana, the plaintiff, now the defendant in the defamation case, the man claiming he was harassed, just gave an interview to some paper called The Juggernaut, which is a New York based news website that focuses on South Asian news and says, and I quote,
01:34:35.640The biggest thing here is if you call this fake, it's just gender inequality says if
01:34:42.200the roles were reversed, what do you think would happen?
01:34:45.720So he's claiming the reason we don't believe him is he's a man.
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01:45:52.900It's a really fierce battle between the prosecution and the defense on virtually every issue, and this week was no different.
01:46:00.560The prosecution has decided that it wants to conduct a—it's chosen a preliminary hearing to prove to the court that it has enough evidence to go forward with the charges against Robinson.
01:46:11.700and that's scheduled, but in advance of it, the defense made a motion, and this is where I want
01:46:19.020to start. They want the press kept out. They didn't want the press to be able to have access
01:46:25.140to the courthouse through cameras when the actual trial goes down. They didn't want cameras in the
01:46:31.760courtroom, and they lost that motion. The judge said, we're going to have cameras. We'll limit
01:46:35.780how they're used, but we are going to have a camera. Then they said, all right, at the preliminary
01:46:40.480hearing where the prosecution has to show its cards and say, this is the case that we have
01:46:44.620against him. And the judge makes a decision about whether there's probable cause to hold this guy
01:46:48.560over for trial. He's going to. They said, we want the media out for most of that. And the prosecution
01:46:56.760said, why? They don't get kicked out. Like the press is there to represent the people. Why would
01:47:01.780we kick them out? And the argument was that it's necessary to protect Tyler Robinson's right to a
01:47:08.580fair trial and to avoid contaminating the jury pool in this already high-profile case.
01:47:15.560According to the court filings and the arguments last week, they argued the media has already
01:47:20.040created prejudicial and misleading coverage, that some of the evidence expected at the hearing
01:47:26.260may ultimately turn out to be inadmissible at the trial, and so they don't want the media
01:47:31.340hearing about it and reporting on it. And then, I guess specifically, they want us not to have
01:47:37.840access to alleged Discord and text messages. That's a forum that Tyler Robinson and his trans
01:47:45.800furry lover, Lance Twiggs, communicated on a lot, Discord. It's like a gaming type social media app
01:47:52.380where you can talk. Alleged Discord and text messages. Purported confession evidence, Tyler
01:47:58.780Robinson alleged to have confessed. Surveillance and shooting videos. Witness statements and other
01:48:05.880forensic evidence. So what do you think is going to happen? I'll just start with that because
01:48:13.120it's not unusual to have the media at a preliminary hearing in a high profile case.
01:48:19.200So do they have a leg to stand on? No. And let me just say this. This is coming from someone
01:48:24.000who has been on the receiving end of all the things they complain about. I can think of one
01:48:29.740high profile case in particular. My client was getting killed in the media. And I'm referring
01:48:34.600to scott peterson not the one who killed his wife but is the other one that was accused of not
01:48:38.860running in to kill the the killer at the parkland marjory stoneman douglas shooting and everything
01:48:44.660everything that they were printing seemed to be against us a lot of it was false and there's no
01:48:50.600way to stop it i mean if media wants to run with a story they can run with a story this judge could
01:48:56.520take some type of action i don't think the judge is going to just because the defense is asking for
01:49:01.460it. And by the way, every time the defense files a motion, as much as we want justice,
01:49:07.860don't roll your eyes, people. That's what you want. You don't want this case being tried twice.
01:49:13.620So the defense needs to do all those things on the checklist to make sure to the appellate court
01:49:19.120they've rendered effective assistance of counsel so that not if, but when this creep is convicted,
01:49:29.920The thing is, it's always the case that the evidentiary standard used at a preliminary hearing is very different from the one used at the trial.
01:49:40.620Like, of course, more evidence is going to be presented because the standards are different and easier at the preliminary hearing.
01:53:47.760So they're just saying we can't we don't have anything of value to present to the jury to establish the bullet coming from that gun.
01:53:54.120But we're not saying it's inconsistent with that gun.
01:53:57.320Well, the defense is purporting to be hop and mad that the prosecution went out and spoke to the press saying, if you didn't like what we wrote in our motion, you should have filed your own motion.
01:54:08.420You should have objected to the court.
01:54:10.020You could have called an emergency request for emergency hearing.
01:54:12.940You could have handled it inside this courtroom.
01:54:30.880The gag order itself says as follows, reads as follows.
01:54:35.020Lawyers in this case shall strictly abide by rule 3.6 of the Utah professional rules of conduct.
01:54:43.660What does Rule 3.6 say? It reads as follows. Rule 3.6 prohibits the lawyer from making, quote, an extrajudicial statement, meaning out of court, that the lawyer knows or reasonably should know will be disseminated by means of public communication will be, you know, public.
01:55:27.580I don't believe so, but I would certainly make the argument if I'm the defense lawyer.
01:55:31.460Point is, stay off the media. Why are you trying your case in the media at all? If the defense
01:55:37.580didn't raise this in the media, if, and I don't know all the facts, but let's just say what you
01:55:41.540said is true. The defense filed pleadings, documents with the court. They didn't go on
01:55:46.860Fox News. They didn't go out there and do a media tour on their points. They filed something in
01:55:52.120writing. The prosecution then should just file something in writing and we keep it in court.
01:55:57.640Them running to Fox News, I think it's a fair argument that they're going outside the rules of 3.6.
01:56:06.800It's not a bad argument, actually, now that I think about it, because, yeah, that would be typically when there's a gag order saying, don't don't talk about this case outside of this courthouse.
01:56:15.640Yeah. And then you see an outrageous motion and you as a prosecutor are pissed.
01:56:20.520You're like, everyone now believes that the gun definitively did not match the bullet that was recovered.
01:56:26.580and i've got to stop this i've got to correct the record on this yeah i mean typically what you would
01:56:32.580do is you would file your own motion expressing your outrage right like you can be as pissed off
01:56:38.520as you want in your pleading and then the daily mail would have gotten that too there we go they
01:56:42.800would have had a day two headline right but instead he spoke to them so you're right he
01:56:47.160he actually could have his hand slapped i don't think it's going to do much do you like what
01:56:50.560would be the consequence no and they have their own pr people you know the question is well are
01:56:55.220they going to pick it up the same way they picked up the defenses thing and you never know so just
01:57:00.500make sure you got good PR people and you have great relations with the media say can you make
01:57:04.740sure that this runs you know you do that behind the scenes and then it runs and they're picking
01:57:09.340up from the pleadings not because you're going out there and spewing your truth the prosecution's
01:57:16.040arguing they had a right to speak to reporters to correct misinformation about an inconclusive
01:57:21.180preliminary finding by ballistic experts saying here we were representing the true nature of that
01:57:27.380report we did not make a statement of opinion about guilt we'll see um okay meanwhile they did
01:57:33.580reveal this mark that at the preliminary hearing the prosecution is going to present not the actual
01:57:41.060trans furry lover of tyler robinson whose testimony is going to be very important in this case he's
01:57:47.400the one who allegedly received the the confession from tyler robinson who was on the receiving end
01:57:52.580of those texts and uh an alleged note confessing game this guy's gonna be critical i mean if they
01:57:57.180believe this person yeah we're done that's it that's it yeah yeah he's he he's critical so
01:58:02.960but at the preliminary hearing they were they revealed now that they're only going to be
01:58:06.600presenting a video statement by this guy um that clip will be the the first public statement from
01:58:13.000Lance Twiggs, 22, since the murder. Now, they say he's fled Utah. He's lying low in Texas.
01:58:21.480What do you make of that? Is that normal or abnormal to take a key witness and just show
01:58:25.880a video of him? Completely normal, because you're talking about a judge and the standard is much
01:58:31.200lower. If you're talking about a jury, you get that person in the jury box, you pay for them to
01:58:36.040fly in, you put them up at a hotel, which is all lawful and totally normal and typical, and you
01:58:41.420put them there so they can look directly at the jurors when you ask the questions so they can be
01:58:45.440believed and credible this is just a hearing in front of a judge it's typical i a lot of these
01:58:51.940hearings don't even do a video they'll just say here judge here's a sworn statement the detective
01:58:55.940took and a judge who's smart can just read it and accept it as fact you don't need to bring that
01:59:02.860person in makes sense all so illuminating thank you as always my friend you are positively legal
02:00:51.180You know, it's just I'm so sad about it because it feels like this great sort of bipartisan coalition that President Trump put together is falling off as he rounds into the year and a half mark of his presidency.
02:01:09.160You know, Marty McCary was pushed out at FDA.
02:01:14.540RFKJ has had his wings clipped repeatedly by people who do not support the Maha agenda.
02:01:23.100And Tulsi Gabbard was, you know, a great example of a Democrat, former Democrat, who went onto the Trump team because we wanted to do things differently.