The Megyn Kelly Show - Lab Leak Reality, Woody Harrelson's Pharma Joke, and Media Malpractice, with Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew

00:00:00.400 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.000 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, a second U.S. government

00:00:17.400 agency determining now that a Chinese lab leak most likely caused the COVID pandemic.

00:00:24.280 It's unbelievable. I mean, finally, we're getting some honesty. Finally, we're getting

00:00:29.460 some in-depth research and open-mindedness on what caused the death of millions of people.

00:00:35.480 And they want credit for it. They appear to want a pat on the back for finally getting

00:00:39.880 to be honest. Well, a lot of us have known this all along. A lot of us have been willing

00:00:43.440 to approach this issue with an open mind all along. Dr. Fauci is not on that list. Francis

00:00:49.280 Collins, who ran the NIH, is not on that list. And the mainstream media is not on that list.

00:00:53.780 And the way they're now trying to cover for this report for their own ineptitude and being

00:00:58.140 open-mindedness to begin with is equally disgusting. We're going to get into all of it as another

00:01:04.960 equally disgusting thread emerges in our national conversation, which is this absurd racial division

00:01:12.880 that has been stoked by those same media outlets and confirmed leftists, woke leftists, for the past

00:01:21.060 few years to the point where we are now probably as divided as we've been in decades on the subject of

00:01:27.140 race. Scott Adams of Dilbert fame, the cartoonist who's called many things having to do with Donald

00:01:34.460 Trump right over the past several years, now effectively canceled for comments he made about

00:01:40.340 how he is now resolving to avoid black people because he says they're racist, citing a Rasmussen poll that

00:01:46.820 we will get into. He was canceled. He's not going to be appearing in most newspapers anymore.

00:01:52.500 But what about the left's equally racist comments? Let's go through what Joy Reid has said openly and

00:01:58.880 on the air. Ellie Mistel, her favorite commentator who she puts on every night, equally racist to

00:02:05.640 anything Scott Adams just said. He's out there every night. Why the double standard? How is that OK?

00:02:11.640 These people openly hate white people. And they're fine. They get away with it. Scott Adams,

00:02:17.220 he's done. He's canceled. Is it fair? Is it right? What does it say about us? This is we get Sally

00:02:23.580 Field. Everybody loves Sally Field. She's not that controversial, right? She gets up there last night

00:02:27.740 at the SAG Awards and gets a Lifetime Achievement Award. Good for you, Sally. They like me. They really

00:02:32.480 like me. No, the speech this time was I'm sorry for being a little white girl with privilege. I just

00:02:39.000 want to let you know I basically little white girls have privilege and I understand I'm not I didn't work as

00:02:43.800 hard as you did. Oh, my God. That's where we are this Monday at the end of February 2023.

00:02:49.800 And by the way, we just hit a milestone on our show. We have now reached 500 episodes in our podcast

00:02:54.260 and our archives. And I will say to our credit, we've covered all of these issues with an open,

00:03:00.760 skeptical mind on the mainstream narratives. And it's worked out. Our factual credibility had to put

00:03:07.360 it up against anybody's. And that's all you need is an open mind and some skepticism against the

00:03:12.480 mainstream narratives, especially when it touches on anything that is considered, quote, woke.

00:03:17.200 Right. It's racist to say that this virus came from a lab. You're a racist if you believe that.

00:03:22.860 Oh, really? OK. Tell it to the Department of Energy, because they're just the latest to come out and say

00:03:27.960 that's exactly what happened here. What better way to get to all of this than with my good friends,

00:03:33.220 Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew Pinsky. For years, they hosted the cultural phenomenon

00:03:38.260 Loveline on MTV, where young men and women called in for advice on sex, love, relationships,

00:03:43.780 whatever. Now, Adam is celebrating 14 years of his podcast, the hit podcast, The Adam Carolla Show.

00:03:52.340 Dr. Drew hosts the Ask Dr. Drew Show, and together they host the Adam and Dr. Drew Show. All right.

00:04:00.600 So welcome back to the show. Adam, let me start with you. I've had it. I'm angry.

00:04:07.020 I appreciate that the Department of Energy, according to The Wall Street Journal,

00:04:12.180 has come around to this. And by the way, it's not just like the general department.

00:04:15.420 It's this Z group that apparently is very legit. Z division, the intel arm of the Lawrence Livermore

00:04:22.560 National Laboratory, which specializes in assessments of the nuclear and biological weapons

00:04:26.820 activities of foreign states. Their work is rarely disclassified, quoting now from National Review,

00:04:31.240 often heavily redacted. And this same Z division had been studying this in June of 2021. And even

00:04:38.360 back then was saying this plausible this thing about lab leak is plausible, deserves further

00:04:42.940 investigation. Now we have a low, a low confidence report from them that it came from a lab.

00:04:49.140 The FBI said we have moderate confidence it came from a lab. You still got four other intelligence

00:04:53.420 agencies saying natural origin. And we're supposed to pretend it's just a he said, she said, I guess,

00:04:57.680 you know, you, everybody can make their own conclusions. Bull baloney. What do you make of

00:05:01.840 it? Well, first off, why are we taking China's word for anything ever? That's the jumping off point.

00:05:11.220 What would we listen to China for? Who lies more than China? Who steals more technology than China? So

00:05:19.640 who are we dealing with? We're not dealing with Denmark or Sweden. We're dealing with China. So first

00:05:24.680 off, anything they say, I assume is a lie. Number one. Number two, I have a hypothetical for CNN.

00:05:32.520 Let's just say this lab existed in Waco, Texas. The same lab was in Waco, Texas. And this same

00:05:43.380 coronavirus escaped from this lab. And then the lab said it came from an armadillo. Would CNN buy that?

00:05:52.360 That's my question. Obviously, no, they wouldn't. They would never stop saying this was from the lab

00:06:00.720 in in Waco, Texas. So the bizarre part about this whole thing is the news outlet. It's not really

00:06:10.100 China. China is just doing what China does. It's the view at CNN. It's, you know, L.A. Times,

00:06:16.820 New York Times. How are they? How are they so sure of something that nobody knew? Like,

00:06:22.300 why were they not agnostic about it? I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I have an answer to that.

00:06:27.500 His name is Dr. Fauci, and he had some partners in crime like Dr. Francis Collins, head of the NIH.

00:06:33.620 And these lemmings in the mainstream media were spoon fed their absurd, biased and partisan driven

00:06:42.960 narrative and went with it without question. I'll just give you this. I love Morning Wire on the

00:06:48.760 Daily Wire. Listen to it today. They had a great soundbite from Francis Collins. Here he was in 2020

00:06:53.280 on the subject of the lab leak. This guy headed up the NIH, Fauci's boss. Here he was. And this is

00:07:00.960 directly responsible for how a lot of the media wound up saying, no way was it a lab leak. Listen.

00:07:06.320 There have been a lot of those conspiracy theories around. And, you know, it was not a crazy idea when

00:07:15.480 this first burst onto the scene to say, where did this come from? And particularly because there is

00:07:21.080 a virology lab right there in Wuhan, some people wanted to jump to the conclusion there must be a

00:07:26.320 connection there. Well, of course, there's virology labs in other places too. If you were trying to

00:07:30.800 design a more dangerous coronavirus, you would never have designed this one. So I think one could

00:07:37.320 say with great confidence that in this case, the bioterrorist was nature. And in some way, which has

00:07:44.180 been going on for centuries, has viruses that can jump from species and occasionally into us. And that's

00:07:51.080 often where serious trouble starts, whether it's influenza or whether now it's COVID-19.

00:07:56.120 Conspiracy theories, Adam. And here, just taking you back, I did a talking points memo on this.

00:08:05.080 Debbie will remind me what the date of it was, but we got an in-depth look at the emails between

00:08:09.940 Fauci and Collins, thanks to House Republicans who were then in the minority. And it outlines how

00:08:16.960 Fauci and Collins were talking to the top virologists in the world not long after this broke. And here's a

00:08:23.860 couple. One of the scientists, Sir Jeremy Farrar, sent an email to these guys saying, I think it was

00:08:29.160 a lab leak theory. He relayed the thoughts of two more experts, Robert Gary of Tulane, Michael

00:08:33.920 Farsan of the Scripps Research Institute. Robert Gary, they said, he can't think of a plausible natural

00:08:39.740 scenario. Farsan favored lab leak over natural origin 70 to 30, maybe 60, 40. On and on, where they

00:08:47.780 advised Fauci and Collins. It's a lab leak. This is a lab leak. Then they had a little conference call.

00:08:54.620 And suddenly, I mean, within two days, all those scientists did a complete 180 saying this was

00:09:01.500 clearly not from a lab and it was not manipulated by man. And not only that, it's racist. You're a bigot.

00:09:08.720 If you say it came from the Wuhan lab, they got mobbed, mob bossed out of their legitimately held

00:09:17.760 opinions by Fauci and Collins in my reporting view. And we now know that Fauci and Collins and these

00:09:25.260 other virologists and scientists were browbeating people in the media and at state and elsewhere in

00:09:32.160 the government, dissuading them from making any mention of the lab leak theory and saying it was both

00:09:37.080 racist and a conspiracy theory and fringe. So you weren't allowed to talk about it. You weren't

00:09:42.460 allowed to even mention it because these two dishonest brokers were running government health.

00:09:46.980 Go ahead, Adam. Well, the real question is, what is the media doing? I get what Fauci is doing.

00:09:55.020 And I guess it comes down with CNN. It's like they hate Trump more than they love the truth or

00:10:03.720 reporting. I don't know what the media is doing in that situation. I get there's a theme. I get

00:10:10.800 they're on team Fauci. But isn't this one case where the virus came from, which should be the biggest

00:10:20.520 question on anyone's mind, was completely destroyed by the media. I mean, they screwed it 10 ways to

00:10:29.680 Sunday. And it's the opposite of reporting. I mean, think about what reporting is. It's like rolling

00:10:35.900 up your sleeves, interviewing people, getting to the bottom of things. It's it's it's the part that's

00:10:42.320 miraculous about this entire chapter for me is the media. It's not Fauci or China or Biden or any of

00:10:50.360 those things. It's what what is the media doing? They're taking the word of people in power and never

00:10:57.560 asking questions. And yes, steering everything back to race, which I know we'll get on to in a few

00:11:03.480 minutes, is sickening. And it it it has dangerous. There there there are things that come off it that

00:11:14.280 are much more dangerous than we can imagine, such as this case, because we infused race into a subject

00:11:23.080 that did not need race infused into it at all. We're simply trying to figure out where this virus

00:11:29.680 came from because it got race grafted onto it. People got scared to talk about it. And then they

00:11:36.720 essentially lied. And and by the way, the bigger question is, what's up with the American public?

00:11:41.540 You don't know that CNN you don't know what Fauci's up to. You don't NIH. You don't WHO. You don't get

00:11:48.820 what these people are doing. How many swings and misses? How many times can they be wrong before

00:11:55.120 you, the people sort of wake up and start asking a couple of questions? Yes, my God. Exactly right.

00:12:03.940 And even back then, because there were many of us who had no agenda whatsoever when it came to COVID

00:12:10.000 other than what's real. That's all we wanted to know. There were many of us who didn't see it as an

00:12:15.140 opportunity to bring down Trump. We just saw it as a massive virus that was killing a lot of people.

00:12:19.180 We wanted to figure it out. We're asking honest questions and shamed, you know, that being shamed

00:12:23.740 for just asking honest questions. Dr. Drew, you were one of them. But to Adam's point, can I just give

00:12:29.100 you a flavor of how the media was reacting to the idea that this thing came from a lab? Watch.

00:12:38.000 Conspiracy that coronavirus was man-made in a lab in Wuhan, China. There is no reason to believe

00:12:45.420 any of these conspiracy theories that it was leaked from the lab. Like it was a conspiracy of some kind.

00:12:51.220 Fringe theory that the virus came from a lab in Wuhan, China. A conspiracy theory about COVID coming

00:12:56.340 from a lab in Wuhan. Flurry of conspiracy theories. The idea that this escaped from the lab is pure

00:13:01.400 baloney. Complete baloney. Conspiracy theories that it somehow escaped the lab that was in Wuhan. I think

00:13:06.220 that's unlikely.

00:13:08.000 Matt Taibbi put that together in a sub stack. We could go on. I mean, the New York Times

00:13:12.140 COVID reporter, Apoorva, I can't remember her last name, Mandavili. She came out explicitly and said,

00:13:21.060 this is racist. It is racist to say that's their COVID reporter. Where's her apology today? Go ahead,

00:13:29.020 Dr. Drew.

00:13:29.340 I wish we had something like that. But the real comedy to pile on to what you both have said is that

00:13:36.060 it's racist to say that Wuhan lab, a high level three, you know, virology center of, you know,

00:13:45.920 international reputation had an accident. That is racist. But to say that Chinese people are dirty

00:13:52.460 and awful and are exposed to wet markets and bats and are eating bats and pangolins, that is not racist.

00:13:58.700 And that is the incredible thing in this for me is that we take one absolutely racist point of view

00:14:04.560 and call the other racist. It's too much to be believed. And so much is embedded in this whole

00:14:10.760 story. It's incredible. If you follow back to Matt Taibbi, you mentioned his Twitter files where he was

00:14:17.640 showing the exchange between Dr. Fauci and his colleagues. When the virus broke out, you see the

00:14:23.700 exchange where they're saying, oh, this must be that thing that EcoHealth Alliance funded. This

00:14:28.380 must be that. They were saying literally 75% probability this is that lably. What are we going

00:14:34.340 to do about this? They're back and forth for about 10 days. And then suddenly, this is a FOIA document

00:14:40.080 that got access to these emails. The trail goes silent. For a week, there's not one exchange that

00:14:46.880 you can see at this point. They're trying to get some keywords in there so they can try to figure out

00:14:51.880 what happened in that week. But clearly, that week has been redacted or withheld in some way.

00:14:56.980 And exactly seven days later, Nature article is published by these same guys who are saying that

00:15:03.160 it is a lab leak. Nature article published debunking the lab leak, supporting this notion of a wet market

00:15:10.320 source, a zoonotic source, for which there has never been any evidence. The thing about SARS-1 and many

00:15:18.740 of the other pandemics that we've had out there, they found many animals have been studied. They

00:15:24.660 can't find any precursors or any smoking guns. In the previous pandemics, they studied the wet

00:15:30.100 markets. They found the source. Zero evidence of their racist theory. And the other one is called

00:15:37.400 80,000 animals. Yeah. And where is the conspiracy? What exactly is the conspiracy they're talking

00:15:43.220 about when somebody just says, let's look at the evidence and see what happened here? That's a

00:15:46.520 conspiracy. Incredible. You know, National Review had a good piece out today by the editors talking

00:15:51.860 about how we're calling attention to some reporting done by ProPublica and Vanity Fair. The lead reporter

00:15:57.800 is this woman, Catherine Ebon, who I will be open about. And then there's Jeff Cowell of ProPublica.

00:16:03.260 She annoys me. When she did earlier reporting on this, we asked her repeatedly to come on and share

00:16:09.160 her reporting with our audience. No. Oh, really? Do you get a ton of TV interviews, Catherine? You

00:16:15.480 don't. You barely get exposure to any audience that is more in the middle or fair and balanced.

00:16:20.420 You only go on MSNBC. That's all she would do, Drew. She wouldn't come on. So fine. You know what?

00:16:26.900 Our audience doesn't tend to read Vanity Fair or ProPublica, but I've been bringing her reporting. So

00:16:32.040 screw her. But anyway, the reporting itself is solid. And I want I want to just highlight some

00:16:37.800 of it, OK, because it is not a mystery. It was a lab leak. There is an overwhelming probability that

00:16:44.000 that's what it was. And to pretend it's a 50 50 is a lie, too. It's not it's not a 50 50. This is

00:16:48.640 October 2022. And that reporting, there was a guy named Toy Reed, definitely not to be confused with

00:16:53.660 Joy Reed. The man's name is Toy. He's a China specialist for Rancorp and a political officer

00:16:59.360 in East Asia for the State Department. For 15 months, he loaned his skill set, quoting from

00:17:03.760 the article, to a nine person team dedicated to investigating the mystery of covid's origins.

00:17:08.460 It was commissioned by Senator Richard Burr, a Republican from North Carolina, and they released

00:17:12.820 an interim report this past October. They concluded covid was more likely than not the result of a

00:17:18.360 research related incident, meaning lab leak. They go into the great details about what happened.

00:17:23.400 This guy who speaks the language and understands the dispatches found on their website. It was not

00:17:29.940 public, but it was still available. All the communications going on inside the lab. And

00:17:35.100 what he determined was, first of all, the CCP, CCP operates 16 party branches inside of the Wuhan lab.

00:17:41.600 All right. The government's got 16 party branches inside of it where scientists meet regularly.

00:17:46.360 Party branch dispatches described intense pressure to produce scientific breakthroughs inside

00:17:51.600 that lab that would elevate China's standing on the world stage, despite a dire lack of essential

00:17:56.920 resources, including safety protocols. And then in the fall of 2019, the dispatches took a darker

00:18:02.640 turn. They referenced inhumane working conditions and hidden safety dangers. On November 12th of 2019,

00:18:10.160 a dispatch by party branch members at the lab appeared to reference a biosecurity breach.

00:18:15.400 These viruses come without a shadow, they warned and leave without a trace. They said once you have

00:18:22.700 opened the store test tubes, it is just as if having opened Pandora's box. Although we have various

00:18:29.100 preventative and protective measures, it is nevertheless necessary for lab personnel to operate very

00:18:33.820 cautiously to avoid operational errors that gave rise to dangers. Nine days later, they were reprimanded

00:18:41.380 by Beijing officials directly at an in-person meeting at the lab. It appears to have been blessed

00:18:48.300 by Xi himself. Experts outside of this guy, Toy Reed, several others, experts on CCP communications,

00:18:55.820 tell the author, the writers, these Wuhan lab dispatches indeed signaled that the Institute faced

00:19:01.420 an acute safety emergency in November of 2019, that officials at the highest level of the Chinese

00:19:08.360 government weighed in on it, that urgent action was taken in an effort to address ongoing safety

00:19:12.800 issues, that the officials descended from the CCP to discuss a complex and grave situation that had

00:19:18.760 happened at the lab and included a message that appeared to come directly from Xi, who had clearly

00:19:23.580 been briefed personally on whatever it was that happened in that lab in November 2019. All these

00:19:29.900 experts agreed this was an urgent, non-routine issue, and it was related to some sort of biosafety

00:19:35.600 emergency at the lab. I'm done. I'm done with the media that runs coverage. There's a little more,

00:19:42.220 which is people have forgotten, because of course, to Adam's point, the press doesn't report this,

00:19:47.620 that in 2021, the Department of Energy is not the first department at the administration to

00:19:53.160 determine that this was likely a lab leak. The FBI came out even more strongly in 2021,

00:20:00.560 and that quietly disappeared. So there are multiple agencies agreeing with the Department

00:20:06.740 of Energy, and some are slowly turning who don't agree. But the FBI itself took this position over

00:20:14.040 a year and a half ago. Dr. Drew, you were smeared for asking questions about COVID, and this lab leak

00:20:22.600 thing is not the only thing in the news today. Now we get, late last week, Brett Stevens of the New York

00:20:28.160 Times. He's conservative, but he writes for the Times. He's sort of acceptable to the Times

00:20:32.500 about this, the largest sort of meta study of masking that has concluded quietly, because the

00:20:39.480 mainstream won't report on it, that masking did absolutely no good, made absolutely no difference

00:20:45.160 virtually in any setting. Now, it wasn't just schools. It's just masking doesn't work to prevent

00:20:50.040 COVID. And David Zweig, who's been on this program many times, he's written for New York

00:20:54.920 Magazine, among many others, and he's been an honest science reporter from the start on this,

00:20:58.760 pointed out that only appeared in the opinion pages of the New York Times. You know, he's an

00:21:03.780 opinion columnist, Brett Stevens, and a right-leaning one at that. Not in the science pages.

00:21:08.680 A porva Mandevelli, nothing. She didn't bother to talk about it. So the masking was pointless.

00:21:15.800 This thing did start in a lab from the look of it. And on top of that, now we've got admissions by

00:21:21.080 Fauci on the record that these vaccines may not do all that they were cracked up to be. And

00:21:26.340 there was just a comprehensive study that proved that natural immunity is superior to vaccine

00:21:33.560 immunity. All the things, all the things turned out to be true.

00:21:38.420 There's one more to add to the list. There's another one to add to the list because the dominoes

00:21:43.020 are falling. And I'll defer to Adam in a second on the masking because he has some very strong

00:21:47.300 opinions about that. But it's also lockdowns. Lockdowns did nothing. Now, I want to be very

00:21:52.800 careful on masking before we proceed with that conversation, which is there are three studies.

00:21:56.960 The latest is the Cochran study meta-analysis. Cochran is the highest level standard of meta-analysis.

00:22:03.260 There's no more higher standard for quality than Cochran. A, mask mandates don't work. Individual masks,

00:22:12.740 and again, what kind of mask, really respirators, higher than N95, worn perfectly 100% of the time,

00:22:20.580 that may have some benefit in protecting an individual over a particular time course.

00:22:25.460 But mask mandates does not work. That was the Cochran analysis. It was the gigantic Bangladesh

00:22:30.380 study and the original Danish study, which was years ago, also proved the same thing. Great

00:22:36.900 excitement about that Danish study. Couldn't get it published. It finally came out in Annals of Internal

00:22:42.100 Medicine and then it was quietly pushed aside. But there are three now. Mask mandates don't work.

00:22:48.540 But lockdowns, to me, are the more interesting story because lockdowns, the email chain now shows

00:22:55.040 us from the Twitter files, lockdown came from the Chinese Communist Party, hoodwinking our scientists

00:23:02.900 who went to China to figure out what was going on, hoodwinked them into believing that the political

00:23:08.780 maneuver, not medical maneuver, it's never been contemplated as a medical maneuver, the political

00:23:13.440 maneuver of locking down was somehow thus said the Lord and our people convinced Italy to do it and

00:23:20.560 the world followed. That is just an incredible story and it appears to have done nothing. Adam,

00:23:25.800 I'll defer to you on masking.

00:23:28.160 I'd love to get you to weigh in on masking, Adam, because that's another one. So Brett Stevens points

00:23:32.740 this out in The New York Times and the meltdown is almost immediate. I mean, you've got people

00:23:37.660 like Taylor Lorenz saying, don't believe Brett Stevens on anything. It's like, well, it wasn't

00:23:42.500 a Brett Stevens opinion piece. He was citing this meta analysis of many studies by Cochran. Like,

00:23:50.140 do you believe them? And all these other people on the left come out and say, like, it's absurd,

00:23:54.280 right? Put it. Why doesn't The New York Times have the guts to put it on the science pages

00:23:58.240 to actually report what capital T, capital S, the science has concluded?

00:24:05.120 Well, I think you're asking the media to essentially report on themselves and they're

00:24:11.660 not going to do it. If the media was a little more agnostic during this whole period, if the media had

00:24:19.620 said masking, I don't know, we have to follow the science. I'm not sure if it works or not, or I don't

00:24:26.180 know where this virus emanated from. Could it be a lab? Could it be a wet market? I don't know about

00:24:32.460 the vaccines. If the media had not lied, and I'm saying they lied, because when you make a mistake,

00:24:40.540 you go back and correct it. But when you lie, you defend your lie. So what we're asking the media to do,

00:24:48.300 whether it be masking or where the vaccine efficacy or where the virus emanated from or Twitter and the

00:24:59.480 Twitter file, we're asking them to report on themselves. They're not going to do it. And

00:25:05.540 that's why it's radio silence. Every time one of these big stories, I mean, think about the theme.

00:25:11.080 Oh, another story drops from the Twitter file. Another story drops about masking not being

00:25:18.480 effective. And then we go, where is the media on this? Well, let me tell you where the media is.

00:25:24.740 They're silent because they would be reporting on themselves. So I don't expect these people

00:25:30.540 to report on themselves. They're going to have to say either they were stupid or they're lying.

00:25:36.940 That's what essentially they're going to have to say when they report on that. So don't expect them

00:25:43.480 to report on this. But something I was yelling about on our podcast the other week is think about

00:25:50.520 this notion, because I did a lot of commercial flying during COVID and had many an argument about

00:25:57.780 a mask on an airplane. Just think about this concept. Mask up between bites. They tell you,

00:26:06.420 they yell at you to wear a mask on the plane for 20 minutes before you take off. And then they hand

00:26:13.040 you a sack of Fiesta mix and a Fresca. And they tell you, you can go ahead and take your mask off.

00:26:20.900 But in between bites of the Fiesta mix, you have to pull the mask back up. That's patently insane.

00:26:28.780 It's insane. I don't know why anybody at that point went, look, I don't know if masks are effective

00:26:35.020 or not effective, but you can't mask up in between bites. That's like, that's a zero. That's the same

00:26:41.740 as not wearing a mask. I still get back to the people. You know, CNN was doing what they were doing.

00:26:51.000 MSNBC, whatever, Los Angeles Times, they're doing what they're doing. What were people doing? People were

00:26:56.260 dutifully masking up in between bites like chic, like coward, like idiot.

00:27:01.640 I know, but we had no choice. It was like to be on the airplane. You know, you didn't want to be one

00:27:06.940 of those people who wound up in a viral video getting thrown off or not complying with their

00:27:10.660 stupid rules. I've told the audience the story, but my one friend gave me, we were on the same

00:27:15.660 flight and she was a Democrat who got pulled. She got red pilled by what happened during COVID.

00:27:22.700 She gave me this mask. It looked like women's underwear. It was totally mesh. You could see

00:27:27.780 everything through it. I'm like, I'll do it. So I put the women's underwear. It was a mask,

00:27:32.240 but it looked like women's underwear on my face. And the flight attendant comes over and she bends

00:27:35.840 down. She goes, is that FAA compliant? I was like, if I can pretend that your mask mandate is doing

00:27:41.540 something, you can pretend that this women's underwear is doing something on my face. Like

00:27:46.020 it's absurd. And by the end of the flight, by the way, she asked me where I got it. So she was

00:27:51.040 secretly wanting one anyway, but the mask, just Dr. Drew, just to go back to the mask thing.

00:27:57.260 No, it was the most rigorous and comprehensive analysis of scientific studies conducted on the

00:28:02.280 efficacy of masks, not just mask mandates, masks. And they don't work. As you point out,

00:28:08.800 maybe the N95 on an individual basis depends on the circumstance, but those masks, those medical

00:28:13.720 masks, we were all, that's what the study said. Masks did not work. They didn't work. There's no

00:28:18.400 evidence. They said that they make any difference. And instead of saying, Oh, we were wrong. You've

00:28:25.080 got this lunatic Taylor Lorenz who writes for the Washington post. Don't believe a single word.

00:28:30.540 He writes about COVID again. It's, this isn't for Brett Stevens. If these papers had any guts,

00:28:37.860 try not to swear or be crude. I promised my mother, I would try for Lent. I know I failed last year.

00:28:42.400 I'm giving it another shot. Um, then they would, they would write the truth, but they won't. So in any

00:28:47.520 event, that's masks. And then, um, on the, on the natural immunity thing, Dr. Drew, the natural

00:28:53.420 immunity thing, that's another meta study reviewing a total of 65 studies from 19 different countries.

00:29:00.640 Finally, it gets published in the Lancet, which has been so dishonest as well. The, the Lancet and

00:29:06.240 nature and science have all published things that are just completely bass backwards. Um, saying that

00:29:12.800 natural immunity cut the risk of hospitalization and death from a COVID reinfection by 88% for at

00:29:19.620 least 10 months, way better than vaccine immunity. And yet, can I tell you, we still haven't pulled

00:29:25.820 on all the vaccine mandates. Even at my school, the vaccine mandates are in place for 16 and up.

00:29:32.640 Yeah. Yeah. Won't listen to reason. Yeah. That's, that's the part that is so, you know, I'm, I always

00:29:41.040 try to understand other people's points of view that helps me clarify my own, but this is still a

00:29:46.580 mystery to me. Why in the face of overwhelming data, are they pushing so hard on the vaccines,

00:29:53.880 particularly for children? I, I don't, I don't understand it. There's just not data there that can

00:29:59.460 help me understand why they would do that. The risk reward analysis suggests that you would,

00:30:05.480 you would certainly not mandate vaccine. And you probably would choose not to vaccinate in

00:30:10.560 populations where everybody's been exposed to this virus. Everyone has antibodies. We know it's

00:30:17.220 essentially a extremely mild in children and really in adults as well. Why push the vaccine? Where are

00:30:24.280 there, there, there are any questions still lingering behind it. That's where conspiracy

00:30:29.040 theories start to fill in the gaps, I'm afraid. And so until we understand what the reasoning is

00:30:34.720 that they're pushing this, it's very hard to understand. I just don't get it. I just don't

00:30:40.840 get it. Uh, so, you know, it has been a policy of vaccine Uber Alice, uh, since the onset of the

00:30:47.660 pandemic, it was first safety Uber Alice, then vaccine Uber Alice. And at very minimum, we're

00:30:54.000 seeing that bureaucracies cannot change direction and it may all be just, he's been wrong about all

00:30:58.540 of it. Dr. Fauci was wrong on virtually all of this. He was wrong about natural immunity, not providing

00:31:06.560 the same kind of nevermind better, uh, immunity than vaccine immunity. He was wrong about saying that

00:31:12.780 the lab leak theory was a conspiracy theory and fringy. That's what he said. I actually pulled

00:31:17.720 the quotes. Fauci called it a conspiracy theory, said, quote to new Gingrich. This is from February

00:31:23.360 9th, 2020. We know, we know these things come from an animal reservoir. He was asked, could it come

00:31:31.320 from a lab quote? I've heard these conspiracy theories and like all conspiracy theories, they're

00:31:36.720 just conspiracy theories. These guys misled us time after time. You've got journalists like Chris

00:31:43.440 Saliza. I just, just for one, I pulled one of CNN. He had a headline, Anthony Fauci just crushed

00:31:49.740 Donald Trump's theory on the origins of the Corona virus from May of 2020. What was Donald Trump's

00:31:55.820 theory that it came from a lab? Oh, slam Fauci slam Trump, right? This is pre-election. They wanted,

00:32:03.040 they, they wanted to get him. They saw the opportunity. They were dishonest and people

00:32:08.620 died. People died. Origins. That's a different matter, but lies about the effectiveness of the

00:32:15.600 vaccine. All these lies about the masks absolutely could have led to deaths because people thought

00:32:20.400 they were protected when they were not. They might've taken other precautions. There'd be no

00:32:24.640 accountability for Fauci for Collins. I really look forward to these house Republicans calling all of

00:32:30.060 these liars before them and being forced. Even better would be to see Rand Paul make an appearance

00:32:35.860 over in the other body and ask Fauci whether he'd like to have back some of those statements

00:32:40.220 now, right? Some of the many mistruths he offered to us. All right, stand by quick break. Much,

00:32:46.380 much more with Adam and Dr. Drew right after this.

00:32:48.820 One other word on the media. So Chuck Todd agreed with his Republican guest that we should have

00:32:58.240 congressional hearings into lab league and a possible coverup by the Chinese of what actually

00:33:04.120 happened here. You got almost 7 million people dead. So it'd be nice to know the actual origin.

00:33:09.260 They're not going to cooperate, obviously, but we can reach some universal conclusions if people would

00:33:13.720 just be sane and honest. And so you have him, you got Margaret Brennan over on CBS. You got a couple

00:33:19.020 of journalists now like willing to be open-minded about this. So that's some progress. And then

00:33:25.000 you've got MSNBC and Mehdi Hassan, who can always be counted on for the stupidest take available in any

00:33:33.580 given day. Here's him responding to Nate Silver. No, no far righty Nate Silver, who's basically retweeting

00:33:41.300 the Wall Street Journal report on all of this on the lab leak saying, my God, you know, this is

00:33:45.420 something we need to pay attention to. And Mehdi Hassan responds, the simple reason why so many people

00:33:50.420 were not keen to discuss the lab leak theory is because it was originally conflated by the right

00:33:57.980 with the Chinese bioweapon conspiracies and continues to be conflated by the right with anti-Fauci

00:34:07.120 conspiracies. So, Adam, there you go. It's it's it's not the fault of the public who listen to MSNBC.

00:34:15.160 It's the fault of the right who conflated the lab leak theory with anti-Fauci conspiracies. So people

00:34:25.300 like Mehdi decided they didn't need to investigate further. Well, I mean, it must be nice. Everybody who

00:34:33.440 disagrees with you has a conspiracy theory. So if you have questions about vaccines, that's a conspiracy

00:34:42.440 theory. Or if you want to know where the virus emanated from, maybe a lab. So what they do,

00:34:49.580 it's really kind of brilliant, is just imagine if you did this in your personal life, if every

00:34:56.200 argument you got into with your husband or your wife or your child, you just labeled whatever their

00:35:03.940 argument was a conspiracy theory. And then when you had to talk about it, you would say, oh, it's like

00:35:11.400 my husband with the conspiracy theory that I ate all the chocolate cake. Well, it's so convenient that

00:35:21.420 they just label everything with conspiracy theory. Of course, you're going to win all those

00:35:26.520 arguments. That's what this that's what the whole thing was. I mean, we're trying to figure out

00:35:32.700 where a virus came from. That's it. No more, no less. Did it come from a lab? Did it come from a wet

00:35:39.360 market? And then you label everybody who thinks it came from the lab is a conspiracy theorist.

00:35:45.860 It's insane. They call themselves journalists. That's what a journalist would do. They didn't

00:35:54.980 investigate any of this stuff. That's my whole thing. What I've been yelling about this whole time

00:36:01.320 is if somebody said to me, whether it was CNN or my neighbor, I don't know where the virus came from.

00:36:09.600 We don't have any information on that. How would I how would I render a decision on that? I don't know

00:36:14.600 about hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin. We don't have any data on that. I don't know if masks work

00:36:20.660 or not. If they've just been agnostic about it, then at least I'd believe them. The fact is,

00:36:25.820 is they knew something that was unknowable. And that is not what journalists do.

00:36:32.420 You know, there's one benefit to the media being so distrustworthy. And that is, Dr. Drew,

00:36:39.500 I remember early on in the pandemic, you were one of the voices that had a different opinion.

00:36:43.580 And you were getting a bunch of shit for it. But I remember that. And I'd been your fan on some of

00:36:49.080 these other fronts that we've been talking about for years. But, you know, I never knew that you

00:36:52.820 would be so bold on like a major medical issue. Right. And I was like, I would like to listen to

00:36:58.340 him. I would like to hear this alternate viewpoint. And and then maybe I can make up my own mind about

00:37:04.440 who I trust and what I believe. Right. And honestly, same is true of RFK Jr. He was he's a nutcase.

00:37:11.740 What do you get? Listen to that guy. I read his book. I had him on the show for myself for many,

00:37:16.400 many hours. Not that I agree with him on everything, but he made a lot of really good

00:37:19.740 points, especially about big pharma. And I figured it out for myself. And the one good side,

00:37:25.820 the one upside of all this is it's increased trust in certain people. You know, like Tom Cotton was out

00:37:32.320 there very early. Mike Pompeo was, too, saying this is a lab leak. That's what this is. And they were

00:37:37.460 shamed. There are certain people who should bring the receipts and say, not for credit,

00:37:44.120 but just for trust. I was right. And, you know, I asked questions in a way that was helpful.

00:37:50.840 And the others who were wrong are to be blamed if they were closed minded to other questions and

00:37:58.420 other points of view. Right. That's that's what what is really pernicious. I don't want to tell the

00:38:02.360 audience one other thing. If you want to go back, it's episode 241 from January 20, January 14th of

00:38:07.460 2022. Episode 241 from that talking points memo that gets in very specific on the back and forth

00:38:13.920 between Fauci, Collins and these top virologists on what I believe was an obvious attempt to stifle

00:38:19.140 any comment other than natural origin. It's it's really disturbing and it lays it out in great detail

00:38:26.240 and it stands up word for word even today. Last word on that, Drew. Yeah. And and any really

00:38:35.120 concerted opinion from academics who were highly lauded and published had to be crushed as well.

00:38:44.860 And to me, what I was reacting to back then was the excess that I could just see the excess.

00:38:51.220 I could see the hysteria and I knew that the hysteria and the excess that was getting whipped

00:38:57.120 up would only harm people. And my mental health hat was on through a lot of that. I was worried

00:39:03.500 particularly what would happen to the mental health of individuals as well at the time, which was given

00:39:08.140 no concern whatsoever. And now we are in the middle of a pandemic of despair, anxiety, depression and

00:39:16.040 drug overdose predictably created from these extraordinary excesses. And the excesses

00:39:22.620 themselves to me were so confusing. Why? Why were you doing these things? Well, now we know

00:39:27.800 they were persuaded by, of all things, Chinese Communist Party scientists. It's just an uncanny story.

00:39:36.260 My God. Well, speaking of conspiracy theorists, it's a word all over the press today about

00:39:40.520 Woody Harrelson, who hosted SNL. And he's I guess he was inducted into the five timer Hall of Fame.

00:39:49.040 Not many people have hosted SNL five times, but he became one of them. And he used his monologue to

00:39:56.440 take a shot at some of the covid overreach. And to me, obviously, big pharma. Here's a bit of what

00:40:02.820 he said that's getting him lambasted today. Anyway, I went walking in the greatest part of this city,

00:40:10.600 Central Park, leaned against the tree and started to read the craziest script.

00:40:17.240 Oh, OK. Full disclosure. I smoked a joint first.

00:40:22.340 The reason I like that. But back to the tree in Central Park in that script.

00:40:27.180 Put yourselves in my place. Lay the curve of your neck against the roots of the tree.

00:40:33.580 What kind of tree was it? I mean, what kind of trees they have in Central Park?

00:40:38.300 Oh, yeah, it was a palm tree. So lay your head on the palm, fire up a hooter from Jeremy

00:40:45.900 and start reading. OK, so the movie goes like this.

00:40:51.880 The biggest drug cartels in the world get together and buy up all the media and all the politicians

00:40:59.260 and force all the people in the world to stay locked in their homes.

00:41:03.740 And people can only come out if they take the cartels drugs and keep taking them over and over.

00:41:10.720 I threw the script away. I mean, who is going to believe that crazy idea being forced to do drugs?

00:41:18.480 I do that voluntarily all day long.

00:41:23.420 So listen, here's a sample of the media coverage. Daily Beast.

00:41:26.900 Harrelson spews anti-vax conspiracies and rambling SNL monologue.

00:41:31.520 Rambled incoherently for several minutes. Not so coded anti-COVID vaccine message.

00:41:36.700 Huffington Post. Harrelson rambles about weed. Anti-vax conspiracy. Variety.

00:41:41.760 Makes COVID conspiracy jokes. Rolling Stone. Bizarre anti-vax tangent.

00:41:46.120 The independent. Baseless anti-vax conspiracy rant. Here we go.

00:41:50.140 He's not saying big pharma sat down and said, let's unleash the COVID virus, the coronavirus

00:41:56.340 on everybody. He's saying we got to this place where we're all being forced to self-medicate

00:42:01.500 in a way that lines the pockets of these big pharma companies. And we're complying.

00:42:08.480 We're going along with it. It didn't seem to be something we ever would do. True.

00:42:12.080 He didn't spew anything. He made a joke about conspiracy theory. I thought it was brilliant.

00:42:19.700 I don't agree with it. It's an interesting theory. May end up being true one day. Again,

00:42:24.600 I'm agnostic. But it was a good joke. Adam, do you agree it was a good joke?

00:42:29.180 Well, it was a good joke in that it provoked thought and discussion. You know, I don't know

00:42:37.300 if it was a good joke in terms of set up punchline, but it was a good joke in that we're all discussing

00:42:45.440 it now, which is what good jokes are supposed to do and why it's bad to try to silence comedians.

00:42:53.420 It's got us all kind of interested in it. What was it a metaphor for? And it sparked a discussion

00:43:03.020 and a debate, which is what ultimately what, you know, satire is supposed to do.

00:43:09.360 And Adam, you know, you said what are journalists supposed to do? Comedians for me through this

00:43:13.780 pandemic have gone in that same category. It's like, are you a journalist? You're not asking

00:43:18.280 questions. Same thing with comedians. You're not poking fun at the important events of the day.

00:43:23.420 Well, I've said many times, you know, comedians traditionally push back on the man. And I tried

00:43:32.460 to explain to all my comedian friends in Los Angeles, Donald Trump is not the man. Gavin Newsom

00:43:39.860 is the man. Gavin Newsom is the one who shut the playgrounds, who shut the beaches, who ruined the

00:43:46.060 small businesses, who shut the schools. He's the man. Why aren't you saying something about your

00:43:52.820 governor who's locking kids in their homes and welding pipes over basketball hoops? Remember,

00:44:00.820 we took metal pipes and welded them over outdoor basketball hoops? The best thing you could have

00:44:08.000 done during COVID is go out in the sunshine and get some exercise. That's the man. Why are the

00:44:15.020 comedians pushing back against him? So yes, it was, it was sad and kind of pathetic and really just

00:44:23.360 disappointing to see the comedian sort of silent. Yeah. Yeah. But also, but also, also big pharma.

00:44:31.160 I mean, they're the man. Yes. When you want to punch somebody, you want to punch up. Who's got more

00:44:37.420 money and more power right now in America than Pfizer? I'll wait. Right. Why wouldn't he feel

00:44:43.660 comfortable? Why shouldn't he feel comfortable taking shots at them? I'll tell you, we had Scott

00:44:49.220 Gottlieb on this show on the board of Pfizer. And I asked him about the fact that they're pushing and

00:44:56.040 mandating these vaccines when natural immunity works. Natural immunity can protect somebody. And

00:45:03.340 he wouldn't admit the point, you know, it was, it was, and I asked him about a Pfizer study that

00:45:08.040 had just come, come out that showed, uh, immunity from vaccines falls off precipitously after it was

00:45:13.580 like two or three months. Correct. Wouldn't cede the point. So they do have accountability here.

00:45:19.480 They are absolutely fair game. And Adam is just, here we go again. Woody Harrelson taking shots at them.

00:45:25.900 He's not saying they sat down and planned COVID. He's saying, why do we have to keep getting these

00:45:30.440 mandatory shots in our arms? When we know this is bullshit, we can't go out and be our free selves

00:45:34.720 in every area the way we used to. There's a fair question in the vaccine companies are fair game.

00:45:40.860 Well, I mean, think about the position that the legacy media was put into their position was first,

00:45:52.240 we have to fiercely defend China and then we have to fiercely defend big farm. And that's exactly what

00:45:59.900 they did. The notion that these people who never stopped patting themselves on the back for blowing

00:46:07.800 the lid off of Watergate or any other famous news story are now doing the bidding of China and big

00:46:17.820 pharma. And to the point where, I mean, China and big pharma had to just sit back and laugh.

00:46:25.720 Like, these idiots are doing all our legwork for us.

00:46:29.700 Great. Great. You're so, so right. That episode with Gottlieb is also worth your time. It's number

00:46:35.040 175. And he came on and spun and spun and spun. And I pressed him. And that's, that's the episode

00:46:41.300 that ended with him actually saying to my team, you know, I, I am an authority. I'm a respected

00:46:47.700 authority. Like, as if he was indignant that I challenged him. Well, a simple Google search would

00:46:53.020 have told you, sir, that that's the kind of interview you're going to get. If you come on

00:46:56.360 and spew lies to our audience. Uh, okay. Stand by. We're coming right back and we're going to pick up

00:47:01.200 the matter of Scott Adams and what he said that got him canceled. Uh, they stay with us, Adam and Dr.

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00:47:33.580 for making it possible. Scott Adams, uh, stepped in it and how over the past couple of days,

00:47:44.640 one has to believe this was intentional. The cancellation that ensued was entirely predictable.

00:47:52.180 Um, and he's not backing down one bit. So I, I think the whole thing was by design. I think he

00:47:59.740 genuinely feels the way he says he feels. I take him at his word and it was shocking. The rant he went

00:48:06.340 on was shocking, but I also believe it was predictable given what's been going on in our media over the past

00:48:13.920 few years. I mean, we've talked many times about how the constant focus on race, race essentialism

00:48:20.820 dividing us all by skin color, creating a hierarchy of the races, the open bashing of white people by

00:48:27.920 the media all the time. Like it's just this fair group to just completely malign is going to create

00:48:33.400 some serious race problems. And I believe in some people, it's going to bring out sentiments like

00:48:40.880 what Scott is clearly feeling. All right. It's not to say I agree with his comments from far from it.

00:48:45.700 We'll get into that, but I, I can see how he got there because he didn't sound like this

00:48:50.020 back in 2015 when he was first talking publicly in a political way. Um, so here is what he said

00:48:56.820 in part. He's now been canceled by virtually everybody. For those who don't know, he's the,

00:49:00.780 uh, cartoonist, the creator of Dilbert, a very, very popular cartoon. Here he is.

00:49:05.300 Normally you see a poll and you just look at it, you go, ah, whatever. But as of today,

00:49:11.860 I'm going to re-identify as white because I don't want to be a member of a hate group.

00:49:16.660 If, if, you know, nearly half of all blacks, uh, are not okay with white people, according to this

00:49:22.620 poll, not according to me, according to this poll, uh, that's a hate group. That's a hate group.

00:49:29.600 And I don't want to have anything to do with them. The best advice I would give to white people

00:49:34.720 is to get the hell away from black people. Just get the fuck away. I'm going to back off

00:49:40.720 from being helpful to black America because it doesn't seem like it pays off. Like I've been

00:49:46.440 doing it all my life and I've been, the only outcome is I get called a racist. The, it's over.

00:49:53.440 Don't, don't even think it's worth trying. And it feels good not to be in a racist, uh, hate group

00:49:59.360 anymore. So I'm now independent, not a member of any group. I do not align with any group, not the

00:50:05.320 white supremacists and not the black, uh, racists. Referring to a Rasmussen poll that asked, uh, do you

00:50:15.920 agree or disagree with this statement? It's okay to be white. Uh, overall, uh, in polling black Americans,

00:50:22.360 53% of black Americans, Americans agreed. It's okay to be white. 26% disagreed that it's okay to

00:50:28.920 be white. 21% said, we're not sure if it's okay to be white. That's what he's saying. He says, add

00:50:35.000 that 26 and 21 together. That's 47% of black respondents who are not willing to say it is okay

00:50:40.560 to be white and being somewhat facetious. They're saying he used to, he started identifying as black

00:50:47.060 a while ago. So I can be on the winning team for a while. He said, uh, just to be on the team that I

00:50:53.260 was helping. But then you heard him say, as of today, I'm going to re-identify as white. I don't

00:50:57.220 want to be a member of a hate group. I accidentally joined a hate group, um, and goes on from there.

00:51:03.080 Oh, the whole thing is, it's sad to me, Adam, what do you make of this?

00:51:06.880 Well, uh, you know, the whole sort of race hustle that has been ramped up in this country over the

00:51:16.920 last few years is so destructive. It's insane. And obviously it hurts the black community,

00:51:25.380 the group that they always report to want to be helping. It does nothing. If it, if it, if it did,

00:51:33.100 I think we could see some evidence of it. Um, I always said that after Obama got elected for a

00:51:42.320 second term, all the race hustlers had to up their game. And that's essentially what happened. I mean,

00:51:49.580 the three of us had been around long enough to remember the nineties, the early two thousands,

00:51:57.200 everything wasn't about race. It wasn't even mentioned very often. It was,

00:52:03.100 it was way downstream of all the subjects we were talking about politically. Now it's front

00:52:10.840 and center. And I believe that's the mainstream media. And that's all the Al Sharptons and Jesse

00:52:19.000 Jacksons. And it's all the race hustlers pushing it out there. And the worst is Biden because Biden,

00:52:26.180 his whole campaign promise was reuniting the country and nobody hustles the race more than Biden,

00:52:35.140 which is, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's like a, he, it's a fiduciary duty that he's dropped as the

00:52:42.860 president of the United States. It's insidious and it's destructive. And then what it leads to

00:52:50.260 is how long are you going to sit around as a white person who pays their taxes, likes the black

00:53:01.640 community, prays for the black community and tries to do what they can do? How long are you going to

00:53:07.220 sit around being called racist before this comes out in some form that we just got from,

00:53:15.620 from Scott? So it's, it's, it's inevitable that this is going to happen given, given these conditions.

00:53:24.580 Mm-hmm. Oh gosh. I, he's right, Drew. He's right. How long can you have like white people demonized

00:53:34.840 over and over and over on national cable stations on show after show after show before somebody starts

00:53:42.240 to feel like defensive of whiteness or like, Hey, I'm picking up what you're putting down. You can't

00:53:49.840 stand me. Yeah. Uh, white people, this is what a lot of, uh, people of black and brown populations

00:53:58.380 don't know. White people feel bad. They feel really bad about the history. They feel bad about the things

00:54:03.500 that are being brought up. It's not like people are feeling reticent or willing to acknowledge these

00:54:09.660 things, but, but there's two things with Scott. Um, one is what Adam was just talking about. And,

00:54:15.740 and really it's the, it's not the politicians. It's the media that ramped this up and full disclosure.

00:54:22.440 I, you know, I had my talk show on HLN nightly show, uh, back in the day, you know, you're searching

00:54:29.780 and we were getting very strict, stringent mandates to get ratings, get that's all they worried about over

00:54:34.980 at CNN, HLN. There was not any instruction about what to report on. It was just get eyeballs.

00:54:40.260 And we full disclosure and mea culpa when Trayvon Martin happened, that story caught on. So we

00:54:48.800 pursued it. And I believe that since then, those sorts of stories have been proved to be the business

00:54:55.540 model of news media. And so as a result, they have not concerned themselves with what the impact would

00:55:01.220 be on African-Americans in America. They just, they just found that they could get eyeballs and

00:55:06.600 they went after it. Scott's behavior. And by the way, you know, that, that took a, that hit really

00:55:13.100 a peak with Jesse Smollett. I mean, Oh my God, let's run after that story. And I was on a news talk

00:55:19.800 show that day. And I said, Hey, Hey, come on, let's, let's, let's reserve. Let's wait. This seems too on

00:55:25.360 the nose to me. Let's, let's see what's going on. Immediately. I was crushed for daring to say,

00:55:30.100 let's just see what's going on here before we run to a conclusion. But what Scott is up to,

00:55:35.980 I don't know, but he's always up to something. He's a hypnotist and he's a persuasion expert.

00:55:40.860 And he has been playing with the idea of how to create hoaxes, which is really out of context

00:55:47.120 commentary that the press goes crazy about, which clearly he's doing something with that here and

00:55:52.660 how to get canceled. He was playing with that for a few months. So he's up to something here.

00:55:57.240 It's sad that it's this topic, but, but I know that he's up to something.

00:56:02.700 Well, I mean, that, so that leads us to point two, which is, I mean, yeah, so it's predictable

00:56:07.200 is point one. And, but point two is my God, the conclusion, right? It's like, okay. So because

00:56:13.000 of this one poll in which 26% of blacks surveyed disagree that it's okay to be white, 21% are not

00:56:19.940 sure. The takeaway is, um, again, quoting from, from what he said, cause he went on a long,

00:56:25.860 long diatribe about it. Um, he says, I know I'm not saying start a war or do anything bad.

00:56:33.380 Nothing like that. I'm just staying saying, get away. He says, get away. Uh, the best advice I

00:56:40.380 would give to white people is to get the hell away from black people. Just get the fuck away.

00:56:45.680 Um, now I hear that and I think, okay, now it's true. I don't want to be next to a Tiffany cross,

00:56:52.300 you know, um, a joy read. These people are spewing white hate all the time, but what,

00:56:58.480 what black people are you talking about? Scott, right? Should I stay away from Coleman Hughes?

00:57:03.520 Should I stay away from Camille Foster? Right. Should I stay away from Chloe Valdary? Like what?

00:57:08.840 I should just write off all black people because of these 26% who disagree in this 21% who says

00:57:14.280 they're not sure. That's absurd. And Scott Adams knows that he's very smart. He, he knows that's

00:57:22.300 absurd. And he even points out, I hate to tell you folks, but I actually do know that, um, people have

00:57:27.860 different thoughts that black people have different thoughts about different items. So like he, he

00:57:31.360 points out that he knows that. And yet his takeaway is get the F away from black people. And this,

00:57:38.160 I mean, so this winds up being racist because when you cast dispersions on an entire group

00:57:44.800 based on the opinions of a small minority, right? And it is a small minority. I don't know what those

00:57:50.720 21% are saying when they're not sure that phrase it's okay to be white. Just FYI has been labeled by

00:57:58.200 the anti-defamation league. And I realized they have an agenda as a hate slogan. So that just a stigma has

00:58:03.380 been attached to that. That may have confused the 21. Like what is, what are they trying to test

00:58:08.100 me on? Anyway, I'm giving folks the benefit of the doubt, but like the takeaway that like the

00:58:11.500 entire race is to blame for the bad behavior or controversial opinions of a, of a small number

00:58:16.300 that's racist, right? Like he can't become the thing that they say you are, that you're not.

00:58:23.900 Yes. So simply that's so. And I, I think I, again, I don't want to be in position of defending any of

00:58:30.140 this, but, but that, that is going to be his point is that by lumping people into groups and to

00:58:36.160 characterizing everybody under the rubric of a, of a single heading is exactly the problem. And Adam,

00:58:42.560 you made the point recently, I thought it was kind of interesting that we've gone from a concerns

00:58:48.400 about racist society to a racialized society. Remember that conversation we had? Yeah, I do.

00:58:57.020 Um, you know, the analogy that I give in the, the dangers of this is a sports analogy when we become

00:59:09.860 a kind of racialized society, which is it's, if you are a huge Pittsburgh Steelers fan, you root for the

00:59:20.200 Pittsburgh Steelers. And that's how it starts off. But at some point you have to hate the Baltimore Ravens

00:59:29.520 because they are your team's foe. So when you racialize a society, at some point you don't just

00:59:41.160 root for one team, you then root against another team. And that's what we see, you know, on college

00:59:48.780 campuses, you know, UCLA or Harvard or whatever. Uh, at some point you're rooting for one team, but

00:59:55.900 the other team, meaning Asian students, you got to do something with them because the numbers are too

01:00:04.300 high in terms of their populace on those campuses. And this is really the phase that we're entering

01:00:11.520 into. Um, when I was a kid in the seventies, it was black is beautiful. Great. I agree. I'm down

01:00:20.480 with, with all of it. Now we're getting into a point where we're pitting groups against each other.

01:00:27.460 And that's the real dangerous kind of inflection point we're in now as a society.

01:00:33.320 So he, one of the other things he says, forgive me, these are awkward topics, but they're worth

01:00:39.920 discussing because it's now in the news. He says, um, this, first of all, he says, I went to a

01:00:46.520 neighborhood where I have a very low population because unfortunately there's a high correlation

01:00:51.060 between density, um, and problems in these neighborhoods. And then he attributes that

01:00:59.540 sentiment to Don Lemon and he runs a, he's referring to a clip that was all over the news last week

01:01:03.940 where Don Lemon was talking about how he lived in Harlem and you know, people don't throw away the

01:01:07.380 trash. And he's like advising black residents of Harlem, pick up your trash. I believe that's what

01:01:12.580 his reference is to. Um, but he's saying, so I got out of Dodge. Basically I moved to a neighborhood

01:01:18.040 that has a very low population of black people. And I recommend you do the same. He says, and then he

01:01:23.360 says, I'm also really sick of seeing video after video of black Americans beating up non-black

01:01:28.020 citizens. I realized it's anecdotal and it doesn't give a full picture of what's happening,

01:01:32.980 but every damn day I look on social media and there's some black person beating the shit out

01:01:36.320 of some white person. I'm kind of over it. Can I tell you something? I'm in news. I'm very active

01:01:41.080 on Twitter. I see those videos all the time too. Almost never retweet those. I mean, it would take

01:01:46.860 something extraordinary, uh, news value wise for me to retweet those because I, I'm a, I'm worried

01:01:53.720 those kinds of videos are going to create exactly this kind of feeling in somebody. And the

01:01:58.000 reason people are tweeting them is not, I believe because they're racist and they're trying to gin

01:02:02.840 up racism against blacks. It's a response to putting the George Floyd video on loop. It's the

01:02:11.140 response to saying all cops are bastards. This is what they do. They have a culture of violence.

01:02:16.480 White supremacists are running the country and they have a culture of violence. And so people say,

01:02:22.100 you know what, look, it's not just whites who commit violence and they start tweeting things

01:02:27.700 like this. Like if you want to really look at the stats, you're not going to like it. That's what

01:02:30.840 Glenn Lowry, um, has been saying, you know, very famous and respected, uh, professor of economics at

01:02:36.600 Brown now used to be at Harvard. Um, so it's very dicey territory to get into the tit for tat on who

01:02:42.600 commits crime and what, but like, I could see this coming from a mile away. It's why it's dangerous

01:02:49.440 for either side of this debate. The ones who want to re-racialize America, the ones who don't

01:02:54.860 to, to jump on board this game of like, here's your people doing bad things. Well, here's your

01:02:59.460 people doing bad things. Like my God, everyone, it's humans, humans do bad things and we don't

01:03:04.280 need to racialize everything, but we do. When I talked to my friends that, uh, respond to that,

01:03:12.840 uh, you know, the notions that the feeling that that poll sort of suggested you, you, you, we have

01:03:19.660 to get into the root cause discussion about all these feelings. And most of my people that I

01:03:25.120 associate with will point at the, some of the original provisions in the, in the constitution

01:03:30.100 and we'll, they'll tell this again, I have no business talking about this, but this is what I'm

01:03:34.360 being told. Uh, and I, and I'm sympathetic to it, which is that a bunch of white men decided to call

01:03:40.860 another group part human. And there have, that, that is sort of an unforgivable sin until we figure

01:03:47.220 out what to do with that. And then of course, all the trauma that was perpetrated. Nobody's proud

01:03:52.980 of that. Women were nothing. We got, we had nothing. We had less, right? Like we weren't even

01:03:57.860 mentioned at all. We got the right to vote later, but you know, at least black men got the right to

01:04:02.960 vote before we did. But it's like, I could, I could cry in my soup about that every day. What they'll say

01:04:07.240 to me is, well, you were power adjacent. Women were power adjacent. Well, men were power, but men,

01:04:12.040 men are way more power adjacent to power to powerful men than women are like, like we could do this game

01:04:18.140 all day long. Yeah, I, I agree. And it's futile and it's pointless. And if it was some sort of straight

01:04:31.420 line to healing or correction or some, there was some measurable data that said, no, this is a really

01:04:40.760 effective way to solve a current problem, then I would be all on board with it. It doesn't seem

01:04:48.920 to be that way. And I think the, the problem is, is one side says, uh, recognize the past and then

01:04:57.900 accuses the other side of trying to whitewash the past. I don't see America wanting to deny

01:05:07.020 slavery or Jim Crow. Um, I don't see that in any numbers. What, what I see is most Americans saying

01:05:16.380 it's 2023. There's no better place for a person of color to live, but this country, let's get on with

01:05:25.580 it. Let's roll up our sleeves. Let's figure out what the problems are and let's face them directly.

01:05:31.900 And all the discussions about sitting down at the table and having an honest dialogue,

01:05:37.440 most people don't want an honest dialogue about any of this stuff because that would involve a bunch

01:05:44.160 of information that didn't fit their narrative. Yeah, that's right. And, and by the way, so I don't

01:05:49.580 give the Democrats a pass through, I, I do think not all Democrats, but too many Democrats and, and

01:05:57.180 wokesters on the left have really caused this problem, uh, politicians and otherwise they have,

01:06:01.660 they have certainly added to it, but the media is, I mean, I, I guess, I don't know. I'd have to think

01:06:08.000 about the proportionality, but they bear a huge share of the blame. And that leads me to my next point,

01:06:14.100 which is Elon Musk decided to weigh in on this. And in an interesting way, he tweets out the media

01:06:21.600 is racist for a very long time. U S media was racist against nonwhite people. Now they're racist

01:06:29.080 against whites and Asians. Same thing happened with elite colleges and high schools in America.

01:06:34.300 Maybe they can try not being racist. And Scott Adams tweeted out who stoked racial division for the past

01:06:42.940 five years. Was that me? Was it Musk? Right? So the he's, they're, they're both tapping into kind of

01:06:49.980 what we led with, which is why does the media get to press all these racial buttons? I mean, in the most

01:06:57.020 provocative, upsetting, dangerous ways. And then when you have somebody kind of lose it, you know, like

01:07:03.960 I'm out, um, say canceled F him demon, right? Instead of saying like, just stop for a moment to say like,

01:07:12.340 is there something I've done that I could have done differently to have prevented this result? Do I

01:07:18.040 have any hand in creating this kind of animosity? Me, the person who puts these videos on loop,

01:07:23.540 you know, me, Joy Reed, me, Tiffany cross me, Ellie Mistal. And this Adam, I wanted to actually ask you

01:07:29.620 about this leads me to Ellie Mistal. Okay. Now Ellie Mistal writes, I believe for the nation and he appears

01:07:36.940 on MSNBC all the time on joy read show and other programs. And Ellie Mistal hates white people and

01:07:44.380 has made this clear over and over and over, or at least his rhetoric suggests that he does. So I'll

01:07:50.100 give you just a couple of examples. 2021, the miseducation of white children. And he goes on,

01:07:57.800 he's, he's angry that there's a lack of education on things like the Tulsa race, right? He says,

01:08:01.540 it is always important to them. I guess the establishment, the white establishment people

01:08:05.700 that white children are kept ignorant about how, about the details of how white people came to

01:08:11.440 enjoy such power and wealth in a land they ain't even from keeping white kids. Dumb is as American

01:08:18.260 as apple pie. No problem. He can say that. Okay. I'll go on. Um, he wrote an article in 2021

01:08:24.820 called, I am not ready to reenter white society as a black man, as the pandemic wanes and I have to

01:08:34.020 leave the safety of my whiteness free castle. I know that racism is going to come roaring back into

01:08:39.800 my daily life, right? Cause he's going to have to be around the whites again over the past year. I

01:08:44.380 have of course, still had to interact with white people on zoom or television, et cetera, but white

01:08:51.160 people aren't in my face. They're not in my face all the time. I can more or less only deal with

01:08:57.180 whiteness when I want to white people haven't improved. I've just been able to limit my exposure

01:09:04.220 to them. How is that any different as a material matter than what Scott Adams just said? Here is a

01:09:12.600 black man intentionally limiting his exposure to white people who he doesn't want in his face all the

01:09:20.840 time. He doesn't have to deal with their whiteness except for when he wants to. He doesn't find being

01:09:26.360 around white people safe. Um, and he's not ready to reenter white society. The same white society that

01:09:34.800 keeps white kids dumb and doing so is as American as apple pie every night. MSNBC, no problem. Scott

01:09:42.540 Adams, his career is done. He's canceled by everyone. And the double standard Adam speaks volumes.

01:09:50.840 Exactly. His statement, you're 100% correct. It's exactly the same. Scott Adams, it's the carbon copy,

01:10:00.740 pardon the pun of what Scott Adams just said. And of course, those are the rules for society. And, uh,

01:10:11.060 everyone knows it, you know, and as far as the media goes, you know, there's a very simple, um,

01:10:19.040 test you can do, you know, our friend, your friend, uh, attorney Mark Darragos, uh, represents a case

01:10:26.580 out of, I think it's Mesa, Arizona. It's the worst police shooting ever. It is, uh, it is a white

01:10:35.380 citizen being literally executed by the police department, uh, body cam footage and everything

01:10:44.720 out there. I don't recommend that people watch it because it is insanely disturbing, but it is

01:10:52.520 the greatest example of police brutality that, that exists that you can find on videotape. Um,

01:11:03.440 when I talk to my progressive friends, they have never heard of it. They've never seen it. They don't

01:11:09.740 know what I'm talking about. Now, of course they all know, um, any of any, any Rodney King and, and,

01:11:17.960 and so on and so forth that goes through a black citizen being brutalized by the police. So this

01:11:24.300 is a narrative that's being pushed forward by make legacy media. If they had an interest in this

01:11:33.480 subject of police brutality and it was just universal, then this would lead the news on MSNBC

01:11:41.780 or CNN, they would be all over this. Uh, but it's only when a black citizen is brutalized, then it makes

01:11:50.580 the populace at large believe that the black community is the only community brutalized by the

01:11:59.120 police. Statistics don't bode that out of course. And then of course it makes people angry because,

01:12:06.900 because how else would you feel if you thought this, this atrocity was happening only to one

01:12:16.400 sector of our community. So we get right back to legacy media again, promoting this irresponsibly

01:12:26.060 and causing a ton of harm. There is this video that Scott Adams tweeted out. I confess I had not

01:12:33.640 seen it when it came out in November of 2020, um, from something called cut, which is to be

01:12:40.380 distinguished from the cut, which is an offshoot of New York magazine. I did not know what cut was.

01:12:47.340 So we looked into it. It builds itself as a media news company on Facebook based in Seattle,

01:12:52.540 Washington. Um, they joined YouTube in 2014. They have 447,000 followers on Instagram. They've had

01:13:00.500 5 million views on YouTube. Um, they have 11.5 million followers on YouTube, 11.5 million. And

01:13:10.940 Scott tweets out this video from 2020 post George Floyd, I'm assuming. And the question in it was,

01:13:20.040 what are white people superior at? And here is some of that.

01:13:27.460 What are white people superior at?

01:13:31.340 What exactly are white people superior at?

01:13:33.040 They're real good at violence.

01:13:34.560 Violence.

01:13:35.160 Genocide.

01:13:35.840 It's like stealing people's lives just because they feel like if you are white and you know this

01:13:40.540 is happening and you say nothing, then you're a killer too.

01:13:43.720 What exactly are white people superior at?

01:13:45.520 Insecurity.

01:13:46.720 Pretending.

01:13:47.380 Fear.

01:13:48.020 Being fearful of nothing.

01:13:49.960 Being ignorant.

01:13:50.860 Blame.

01:13:51.300 Letting their egos control their every move.

01:13:53.480 Superior at big dicks.

01:13:55.860 What exactly are white people superior at?

01:13:57.980 Oppression.

01:13:58.700 Gaslighting.

01:13:59.520 Lack of empathy.

01:14:01.100 Intellectualizing oppression.

01:14:02.320 Did I say oppression?

01:14:03.200 What exactly are white people superior at?

01:14:05.320 Taking what's not there.

01:14:06.180 Taking shit.

01:14:06.820 Taking our ideas.

01:14:07.820 Copycatting.

01:14:08.560 Gentrification.

01:14:09.460 Appropriating things that do not belong to them.

01:14:11.540 Taking over other people's cultures.

01:14:13.260 And making you believe that they invented it.

01:14:15.720 Maybe they're thinking of it as repurposing.

01:14:17.440 It's like recycle and repurpose.

01:14:19.340 As my grandma was saying, the white folk, they'll take it if you don't copyright it.

01:14:23.580 They are very good at destruction of land, destruction of people, destruction of humanness.

01:14:29.860 Publican, whether you're different, whether you're conservative, like white people are

01:14:32.700 really good at upholding white supremacy.

01:14:35.520 How about claiming that, you know, they are actually a whole separate race when actually

01:14:39.260 white DNA comes from the black female?

01:14:41.820 So what exactly are white people superior at?

01:14:43.820 Honey, lying, stealing, and cheating.

01:14:45.880 Manipulation.

01:14:46.740 Withholding information.

01:14:48.120 Lying.

01:14:48.640 Telling lies.

01:14:50.180 Oh, great.

01:14:51.220 Okay.

01:14:51.980 Guess what?

01:14:53.060 Not demonetized.

01:14:54.540 Didn't become a national story, despite the fact that they have more subscribers to

01:14:59.000 this YouTube channel than any cable program in America has on any given night in their

01:15:04.180 ratings and so on.

01:15:05.020 So this apparently doesn't get you banned from Instagram or YouTube.

01:15:09.300 In fact, apparently they're very successful in this messaging.

01:15:12.780 No problem.

01:15:14.120 Um, and it's not just in case you thought cut, it's not just cut and it's YouTube audience.

01:15:20.760 Very small sampling of some of what you see on MSNBC on any given night.

01:15:26.900 You're going to hear Joy Reid and Ellie Mistel, who we just mentioned.

01:15:29.920 Listen, in America, there's a thing about both white vigilantism and white tears, particularly

01:15:39.460 male white tears, really white tears in general.

01:15:43.740 This is literally what conservative white folks do when they don't get their way.

01:15:48.100 They turn violent.

01:15:49.220 And what I know is what white people are willing to do to defend white supremacy.

01:15:54.360 White tears, white tears.

01:15:56.520 She's very upset, guys.

01:15:57.840 Whenever there's Brett Kavanaugh, when he cried, she went off on him.

01:16:01.100 His white tears, they're fake.

01:16:02.860 Kyle Rittenhouse, his white tears, fake by a white supremacist trying to protect his whiteness

01:16:07.920 and the regime of white.

01:16:09.160 This, this goes on every night on MSNBC.

01:16:12.140 No one, no one cares.

01:16:13.520 It's fine.

01:16:14.520 Why?

01:16:14.960 Because she's black?

01:16:15.880 Because Ellie Mistel is black?

01:16:17.320 Bullshit.

01:16:18.260 That this is pernicious and it's dangerous and it's having a real world effect.

01:16:21.900 That some executive over at MSNBC should stand up against.

01:16:25.500 I believe that's why Tiffany Cross ultimately got the boot.

01:16:28.040 She was a bridge too far, even for them.

01:16:30.060 But these two are on the air every other night.

01:16:31.860 So forgive me when I don't really believe your indignation at Scott Adams.

01:16:36.840 I completely agree.

01:16:38.680 It's a perfect example of the narrative being pushed by the mainstream.

01:16:43.560 And it's not so different than COVID, which is you're not looking into the science.

01:16:54.420 You're not looking into the statistics.

01:16:56.540 You're not crunching the numbers.

01:16:58.380 You're forcing a narrative out there.

01:17:01.120 You're scaring people and you're hurting people.

01:17:04.160 Yeah.

01:17:04.600 I really hope Scott is doing an experiment, Drew.

01:17:08.140 I really do.

01:17:08.900 I hope.

01:17:09.160 He is.

01:17:09.640 There's no doubt in my mind.

01:17:10.360 He's always playing chess, but this whole thing, he's bringing things forward.

01:17:13.920 We're having these conversations about things that are making me very sad.

01:17:17.420 And if people out there are feeling this way, we have to figure out a way of getting at that

01:17:21.560 and processing it.

01:17:23.040 I mean, my, again, all, all I know is my mental health experience, and this is not okay.

01:17:28.240 The people are feeling this way.

01:17:29.680 And no, and by the way, some of it's real and some of it isn't, but all of it needs to

01:17:35.080 be addressed very carefully.

01:17:36.320 And the more you pull away from it, the worse it's going to get.

01:17:38.720 And you have to think about, you know, people who don't spend too much time thinking about

01:17:43.400 Joy Reid.

01:17:43.960 She doesn't, she doesn't speak for all black people.

01:17:45.980 Neither does Ellie Mustel.

01:17:46.860 Think about Glenn Lowry.

01:17:47.920 Think about John McWhorter.

01:17:49.300 Think about all these great black voices, Larry Elder.

01:17:51.720 You know, like we have to be reminded in the face of lunacy on the left and the right,

01:17:58.120 there are people who are Democrats, Republicans, black, white, Asian, Jewish, Christian, what

01:18:03.480 have you, who are amazing and douchebags.

01:18:07.040 Like that's life.

01:18:08.020 Back to the earlier comment.

01:18:09.180 That's humanity.

01:18:11.400 And the more generous we can be toward the rest of humanity, the better, like the better

01:18:15.840 our life is going to be and our country is going to be.

01:18:18.220 It's hard at times, right?

01:18:19.740 Because you bump into so much lack of generosity, but you can do it.

01:18:23.200 You can do it.

01:18:23.640 There's a way of doing it.

01:18:24.280 Even when you're in news and cynical bastards like the three of us.

01:18:27.760 All right.

01:18:28.060 And we're going to have more with Adam and Dr. Drew right after this.

01:18:31.240 We will get to Sally Field.

01:18:36.380 Sally Field was honored at the SAG Awards last night with a Lifetime Achievement Award.

01:18:43.240 Good for her.

01:18:44.920 People generally like Sally Field, Steel Magnolias, Gidgett if you're older, and a bunch of other

01:18:51.900 Norma Rae, right?

01:18:53.160 Back in the day with the unions and whatever.

01:18:55.180 She's cute.

01:18:55.780 She's perky, and she's kind of sweet and fun, and she's a great actress.

01:18:59.500 Well, she's very sorry about one thing, and that appears to be the fact that she's white.

01:19:06.120 Listen to this.

01:19:07.620 I was a little white girl with a pug nose born in Pasadena, California.

01:19:13.500 And when I look around this room tonight, I know my fight, as hard as it was, was lightweight

01:19:23.140 compared to some of yours.

01:19:25.220 I thank you, and I applaud you.

01:19:30.140 Okay.

01:19:31.520 Why is she, she's, I guess, sorry that she was raised a little white girl and that she

01:19:37.980 wasn't of a different race with a bigger struggle?

01:19:39.820 Because at Newsflash, white girls in America don't have any troubles that are worth remembering

01:19:46.060 when you're in front of a group that has a lot of people of color.

01:19:48.820 It's such baloney, Dr. Drew.

01:19:51.320 I mean, it's such pathetic, obvious virtue signaling.

01:19:56.660 Right.

01:19:57.180 It's not that it's baloney.

01:19:58.500 It's that it's virtue signaling.

01:20:00.360 And it's interesting to me that the struggle of women is being completely undermined by so

01:20:06.340 many of these other sort of topics of du jour.

01:20:09.700 And I feel it in sort of what you're saying today is that you have a lot of outrage as

01:20:15.460 a white woman.

01:20:16.580 And my wife used to always say that no one's lower on the totem pole than a white female.

01:20:20.880 And she said that for years and years.

01:20:22.760 And I think this is being proven to be correct.

01:20:26.440 It's ridiculous.

01:20:27.560 I mean, Sally Field could get up there and say, you know what?

01:20:30.620 I came up in the industry where the casting couch was alive and well.

01:20:33.820 That's why we produced people like Harvey Weinstein.

01:20:35.920 And too many women from Marilyn Monroe forward have had to be subjected to that nonsense in

01:20:39.780 order to get on the big screen.

01:20:40.820 So I'm grateful for the opportunities that I created for myself.

01:20:43.640 And I nailed them.

01:20:44.940 I nailed them.

01:20:45.640 I did really well.

01:20:46.380 And I feel good about it.

01:20:47.300 She could say something like that.

01:20:48.260 That would be true to her personal.

01:20:49.740 No, she's basically got to be like, I'm with a little white girl from Pasadena.

01:20:53.680 And I basically suffered nothing like you people did here in this room.

01:20:56.840 How does she know?

01:20:58.180 It's so diminishing, too, to people of color who are in the room.

01:21:01.680 Like, does she know that they all she just assumes they're all oppressed?

01:21:05.100 And what are the people of color?

01:21:06.300 Are they Indian?

01:21:06.900 Are they black?

01:21:07.440 Are they Asian?

01:21:07.940 What are they?

01:21:08.580 Why should she assume that they've all had it so bad, Adam?

01:21:11.040 You know, it's like I think about my son's little schoolmates, you know, back at his

01:21:15.220 old school and his current school.

01:21:16.480 These kids are from the best and brightest families in the nation.

01:21:20.700 All different colors, all different backgrounds, ethnicities and the most privileged you can

01:21:27.140 find.

01:21:27.660 Most of them.

01:21:28.440 Right.

01:21:28.620 So, like, I'm sure they wouldn't take kindly to her looking at them being like, I haven't

01:21:32.600 had it as hard as you, poor little thing.

01:21:36.440 Well, obviously, it's insanely condescending.

01:21:40.100 Uh, it also makes me think about, remember when Biden was giving that speech a couple

01:21:47.060 of months ago and he was talking about airlines charging extra for leg room or hidden costs

01:21:54.020 or some, some sort of nonsense.

01:21:55.800 I don't even know why he was talking about, but he always says this disproportionately affects

01:22:01.100 the poor and people of color, like poor people.

01:22:06.320 Yeah.

01:22:06.520 They got to pay an extra 40 bucks for an extra six inches of knee room.

01:22:10.740 Why are you breaking off poor people and then saying, and people of color into two separate

01:22:18.440 groups?

01:22:19.040 It seems insane that he constantly does that.

01:22:22.260 So you're saying that if there was an affluent, you know, Jay-Z wanted to fly on American Airlines,

01:22:29.560 it would disproportionately affect him to pay the extra $41.

01:22:34.060 Look, it's insane.

01:22:36.440 I don't understand why more people don't raise their hand and go, you know what you sound like

01:22:41.720 when you say this kind of stuff.

01:22:43.400 Now, as far as Hollywood goes, it's a pretty simple equation.

01:22:48.340 Um, if you said to yourself, well, what would make you unemployable in Hollywood?

01:22:55.940 Well, the answer would be put on a MAGA hat and start talking about, uh, the virus leaking

01:23:03.080 from a lab and start talking crap about Fauci.

01:23:07.460 All right.

01:23:07.900 That would make you unemployable.

01:23:10.600 Literally be able to work in Hollywood.

01:23:13.560 All right.

01:23:14.140 So actors need employment.

01:23:17.580 And as we've seen over the last few years, we can cancel anybody and they'll never come

01:23:24.140 back.

01:23:24.720 So if wearing a MAGA hat and talking about Fauci would make you unemployable, well, what would

01:23:33.240 make you more employable?

01:23:35.420 Because you're not just, just like my reference with the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Baltimore

01:23:39.840 Ravens.

01:23:40.440 It's not enough just to do one thing.

01:23:43.080 You're going to have to start doing the other thing.

01:23:45.460 So giving speeches about systemic racism makes you more employable.

01:23:51.520 And that's why it could be Ukraine.

01:23:54.400 It could be systemic racism.

01:23:56.140 It could be COVID.

01:23:57.820 It could be anything under the sun.

01:24:00.320 That's what these people are doing.

01:24:02.800 They're trying to make themselves more employable in a town where jobs are really hard to come

01:24:09.240 by.

01:24:09.520 And also, Adam, I've always pointed out that it's not just that they don't seem to be interested

01:24:15.660 in doing anything for people that they're so concerned about, but they want you to know

01:24:20.500 that they care.

01:24:21.860 They care more than anybody.

01:24:23.900 And you can care all day.

01:24:25.120 But if you don't do anything to help people you're concerned about, your caring is completely

01:24:29.000 not totally worthless, but it's not worth a damn.

01:24:32.260 Well, it's like maybe you could help by stopping the continuation of dividing us all so much

01:24:38.720 by, you know, in some weird hierarchy where like the girls, the little American girls don't

01:24:45.340 have a right to celebrate a moment of achievement as much as somebody of color would because

01:24:49.460 of the horrible way America treats people.

01:24:51.320 Like, could you just shut up?

01:24:52.940 Just fucking say thank you.

01:24:54.600 Honestly, I'm sorry.

01:24:55.540 My mom's listening.

01:24:56.680 She's going to be mad.

01:24:57.800 She said she I said, Mom, I tried giving up swearing for Lent last year.

01:25:01.600 She goes, well, maybe you could just give up the F bomb.

01:25:03.960 Just the F.

01:25:04.560 That's the worst one.

01:25:05.820 OK, Mom, she's listening.

01:25:07.100 I'm going to work on that.

01:25:08.000 But like maybe you could just get up there like my cousin, Vinny.

01:25:13.420 It was Joe Pesci was probably for good for good feathers or good fellas.

01:25:17.920 And just say, thank you.

01:25:19.400 It's my honor.

01:25:20.060 And sit down instead of trying to say something that you think is going to be unifying.

01:25:24.040 And the weird far lefties who comment on you in the media are going to be like, go,

01:25:27.540 girl, which has happened, but really is divisive in its nature.

01:25:32.300 Yeah, well, she's no different than CNN, right?

01:25:35.640 I mean, yeah, interested in the subject.

01:25:39.020 She's interested in the rating.

01:25:40.880 She wants the you go, girl.

01:25:43.480 And by the way, she's not trying to fix anything or correct anything.

01:25:47.500 She's trying to fit in in a society that's very tight knit, very tight knit and very myopic.

01:25:56.900 I mean, think about Hollywood and its reaction to COVID.

01:26:01.020 Hollywood is disagrees on many, many subjects.

01:26:07.340 But when it came to COVID, they were all in lockstep.

01:26:11.180 They're all on the same page.

01:26:13.380 How is that possible?

01:26:15.320 You know, the Super Bowl came around a few weeks ago.

01:26:19.320 Half of Hollywood was pulling for Philadelphia and the other half was pulling for Kansas City.

01:26:24.600 But why did they all unanimously align on one side of COVID?

01:26:31.020 Is it because that's what they thought?

01:26:33.220 Is it because they all thought locking schools, shutting schools down in California, shutting down beaches?

01:26:39.100 They all thought that was a good idea or they wanted to be employable?

01:26:44.540 Because that's what they are.

01:26:45.420 Adam had a big dose of this growing up.

01:26:47.340 His mother and grandmother were the early adopters of this kind of philosophy.

01:26:52.820 And Adam, it might be time to tell your story about your grandmother and her caretaker and how she cared about her so much.

01:27:01.420 I do want to hear about Nana Carolla.

01:27:04.520 She was sort of a half communist who never stopped talking about, you know, the man and the money and all this kind of stuff.

01:27:13.520 Now, ironically, it would be funny now if I had to explain to her that her side was the side that was defending big pharma and the FBI.

01:27:24.180 She would find that very confusing if I pulled her out of the grave and said, no, no, a lot has changed since you died, Nana.

01:27:33.580 It's the Democrats who love the FBI, who love big government and who are pro pharma.

01:27:40.900 But she had a helper and her name is like Delia.

01:27:45.640 And she was like a poor brown person who was helping my grandmother like later, later in her years.

01:27:53.480 And she never stopped talking about like how poor Delia was and how she didn't have a dining room table.

01:28:02.240 And at some point she said to me, you know, Delia wants a raise from, you know, $12 an hour to $14 an hour.

01:28:11.120 And she's like, I'm not giving it to her.

01:28:13.320 Like, screw that.

01:28:15.420 And it was so emblematic because the second the money was coming out of your pocket, you got real conservative.

01:28:24.340 When it was coming out of someone else's pocket, then it was nothing but complaints about how people need to pay more taxes, do more, pay their fair share.

01:28:32.620 But these are some of the least generous people on the planet.

01:28:38.260 And I think it's all projection.

01:28:40.300 I really do.

01:28:42.080 I don't know what Sally Fields has done for the brown and black and community of color at large.

01:28:50.240 I suspect not much.

01:28:52.820 Self-flagellation is all it takes.

01:28:54.800 You don't actually have to do anything to get your pass.

01:28:57.220 Two comments on it.

01:28:58.320 Harry Styles just had the same thing happen to him.

01:29:00.560 He accepted an award.

01:29:01.880 He got up there and said something like, it's so cool.

01:29:03.920 You know, people like me don't often get to do this.

01:29:06.040 And then the Internet, the left wing, you know, sort of wokesters on the Internet descended on him like white, privileged male.

01:29:13.440 Screw you.

01:29:14.820 And then he got up in another award show and was quick to say, like, oh, I'm aware of my privilege.

01:29:19.380 And I'm so grateful and sort of engaged in this hierarchy tiering of the people on the stage and in the audience based on color.

01:29:26.840 And so it's like absurd.

01:29:28.280 And then just this weekend, Bryan Cranston, what I had always heard was more Republican leaning or more conservative leaning.

01:29:35.640 He sat down with Chris Wallace and said, when I see the MAGA hat or just the MAGA slogan, my comment is, do you accept that this could possibly be construed as a racist remark?

01:29:48.840 And I guess he's suggesting that, you know, wanting to go back, make America great again necessarily means you want to go to Jim Crow at two point, you know, like a huge.

01:29:59.020 You want to go back to what?

01:30:00.480 Pre Lincoln.

01:30:01.900 Like, that's absurd.

01:30:03.720 You know, we're talking about a time when we actually were more unified.

01:30:06.280 There was a woman.

01:30:07.740 You'll appreciate this, Dr. Drew.

01:30:09.020 There was a woman, a doctor who actually just wrote an op-ed.

01:30:11.800 I'm seeing if I can find it here in front of me.

01:30:13.380 But she just wrote an op-ed calling out modern medicine, saying what you people are doing to modern medicine with all your weird diversity insistence is hurting medicine.

01:30:22.060 And she said, I am a black woman who came up in a difficult time, but I don't agree with all this crazy DEI stuff you guys are doing.

01:30:29.780 It's causing more harm than good.

01:30:31.200 Does she want to go back to Jim Crow?

01:30:33.340 Does she want to go to go back to slavery?

01:30:36.420 Her name is Marilyn Singleton.

01:30:37.900 She did an WAPO op-ed regarding California bias training, saying this racial obsession has come rushing back.

01:30:44.200 And she said all this implicit bias training, which is now mandatory for California physicians, is harmful to physicians and patients.

01:30:54.100 And went on to say that this is basically the messaging that we're sending to patients is even worse.

01:30:59.880 Black people are, in effect, being told that white physicians are likely to quite literally damage our health.

01:31:05.700 So that could be what MAGA means, Bryan Cranston, getting rid of this weird obsession with race, not going back to the darkest times in our country's history when it was the other way.

01:31:17.080 Yeah, it's a terrible message.

01:31:20.880 That was for Drew, and then you got him.

01:31:23.300 All right.

01:31:23.560 It's a terrible message, obviously, to patients that they have to worry about the race of their, whatever the race of the physician is, that we have a sacred charge regardless of who we are.

01:31:34.680 And that's just, yes, and biases come to bear, and we need to pay attention to that.

01:31:39.000 But the thing that I hope she pointed out was the obsession, not just with the racializing of everything, but the equity obsession.

01:31:49.100 Equity in medicine is anathema.

01:31:51.380 It's like literally saying that I can take a 17-year-old male and an 85-year-old female, and they have to end up in the same place.

01:31:58.920 It's just insane in biological systems.

01:32:01.320 It's absolutely contrary to how biological systems work.

01:32:06.540 Yes, equality, quality of access, best we can to make an A-level playing field, but we are biological systems, and each single one is very different than the other.

01:32:16.900 And to insist that they all end in the same place, given a certain set of illnesses or whatever the unit might be in question, that is a terribly destructive idea.

01:32:27.300 I'll give you this, Adam, to set up the close.

01:32:29.540 On a bright note, University of North Carolina has just nixed its diversity training.

01:32:35.320 They had a board meeting last week.

01:32:37.080 They voted to ban diversity, equity, and inclusion statements and compelled speech from the admissions process, from the hiring process, the promotion process, the tenure process,

01:32:45.580 saying the university shall neither solicit nor require an employee or an applicant for any academic admission or employment job to affirmatively ascribe to or opine about beliefs, affiliations, ideals, or principles regarding matters of contemporary political debate or social action as a condition to that placement.

01:33:05.500 I think this is huge.

01:33:07.500 This is apparently the push of a group called Color Us United, a nonprofit, which has been pushing for the same at the medical school at UNC.

01:33:17.180 I remain unclear on whether the medical school has adopted this, but certainly UNC undergrad did.

01:33:22.120 So good for Color Us United.

01:33:23.780 I'm going to learn more about this group and see if this is something we should get behind.

01:33:26.920 Sounds good, but that's a note of optimism, Adam.

01:33:28.720 Yeah, I agree.

01:33:31.480 I mean, there was a story, I think it was a week or so ago, I saw clips on the news about, you know, doctors and how are we going to, how are you going to be serviced by a doctor who doesn't look like you, essentially?

01:33:51.520 But we've been doing this for a long time, like we need a fire department that represents the community.

01:33:59.680 We just need a good fire department.

01:34:02.660 That's an insane, it's an insanely racist concept that you need a fireman who look like you.

01:34:11.640 Well, it's like it's like what's happening in the literary world where you can't write a book about, you know, an African-American if you're white, you can't because some sort of appropriation.

01:34:23.900 So how far do we take this?

01:34:25.120 Like, my husband's an author.

01:34:26.280 Can he not write about women?

01:34:27.560 He can't have any female characters.

01:34:29.180 OK, like he could only write a book that has white men from Philadelphia.

01:34:35.100 That's it.

01:34:35.640 Like, we've crossed the Rubicon on all of this, and thankfully it is coming back to bite us in the ass in a way that hopefully is painful enough that we realize how far we've we've overshot.

01:34:47.840 You know, that's that's my hope.

01:34:49.740 You guys, such a good discussion.

01:34:51.220 Thank you.

01:34:51.540 I know that, you know, it's these are dicey topics, so I appreciate you.

01:34:54.800 Adam's always like, I'm here, Drew.

01:34:58.000 I hope we didn't make you too uncomfortable, but I really enjoyed it all.

01:35:01.220 Appreciate it.

01:35:01.880 Thank you, Megan.

01:35:03.220 All right, guys, to be continued.

01:35:04.360 And tomorrow, speaking of they'll talk about anything, the Ruthless podcast, guys, are back.

01:35:10.200 So much to go over.

01:35:11.760 We'll see you then.

01:35:15.060 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - February 27, 2023

Lab Leak Reality, Woody Harrelson's Pharma Joke, and Media Malpractice, with Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew ｜ Ep. 501

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