The Megyn Kelly Show - Larry Elder on Racial Resentment, Media Bias, and What Makes America Great

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00:00:30.540 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:32.520 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:41.700 Hey everyone, it's Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.280 Oh, I've been looking forward to today's guest.

00:00:49.080 It's Larry Elder.

00:00:50.820 And he has brought his facts, as they say.

00:00:55.400 I brought facts, bitches.

00:00:56.900 That's what they say, the kids.

00:00:58.980 Anyway, he's amazing.

00:01:00.360 And if you don't know Larry from Fox News, he's got a nationally syndicated radio show.

00:01:05.080 He's got a nationally syndicated column.

00:01:06.640 He's on Fox all the time.

00:01:08.020 There is a reason why people want to hear from him, because he does have data.

00:01:11.700 I was just saying to my team, you know what the thing about Larry is he shows, not tells.

00:01:16.780 Right?

00:01:17.000 Like he doesn't need to just make sweeping declarations about one thing or another.

00:01:20.620 He's just going to tell you what the facts are, and then you can make up your own mind.

00:01:23.080 And he always wins, because he's always got that data.

00:01:26.500 He is ideological mentor to Candace Owens, ideological descendant of Thomas Sowell, and

00:01:32.220 first came to national prominence, and in fact was first discovered by Candace, she says,

00:01:37.340 when he went on Dave Rubin's show.

00:01:39.340 And we love Dave Rubin.

00:01:40.360 And kind of dismantled Dave, who at the time was a liberal and was saying that everything

00:01:44.660 is systemically racist in America, or not everything, but a lot of things.

00:01:48.240 And Larry just, you know, I mean, it was, it was, it was fun.

00:01:53.620 Dave thinks so, too.

00:01:54.760 He's told me that.

00:01:56.020 And it changed Dave's thinking, too.

00:01:57.600 And here's just a little clip, in case you don't know, Larry.

00:02:00.340 You wouldn't not acknowledge that there are some systemic issues.

00:02:03.560 Give me an example.

00:02:04.660 Tell me what you think the most systemic racist issue is.

00:02:07.480 What is it?

00:02:07.900 Well, I would say that because black people, in most cases, in many cases, were descendants

00:02:13.820 of slaves, that racism as a, as an institution, that it just, a certain amount of it just

00:02:19.300 exists.

00:02:19.860 2015?

00:02:20.860 Give me the most blatant racist example you can come up with right now.

00:02:25.140 I asked you to name the most important example of racism, and you gave white cops going after

00:02:30.120 black people.

00:02:30.760 And I told you, gave you the facts for that.

00:02:32.760 So that's nonsense.

00:02:33.560 So you must have something else.

00:02:34.540 What else is it?

00:02:35.640 If you think racism remains a problem in America, give it to me.

00:02:37.620 Well, I think it remains a problem.

00:02:39.380 Give it to me.

00:02:39.520 It's not, it may not be systemic in that we have, it's not like you're not being hired

00:02:43.980 because you're black.

00:02:45.160 There's no systemic reason, you know, legal reason that that exists, that kind of thing.

00:02:49.000 But I think that racism as a general theory exists.

00:02:52.300 I need some specifics.

00:02:54.800 You gave me the white cop thing.

00:02:56.080 What else?

00:02:56.420 Give me another example what you think is a problem.

00:02:58.460 Well, as a black conservative, tell me, how do you, how do you get people to come around?

00:03:03.520 You're the one who made the assertion.

00:03:07.320 That's so fun.

00:03:09.620 Dave, he's doing what you do, right?

00:03:11.600 Like, turn it back on another person.

00:03:13.100 Like, why don't you tell me?

00:03:14.120 And Larry was not having it.

00:03:16.080 It's just one of the many reasons why he's a star, right?

00:03:18.400 And really kind of gave birth to a couple of disciples that day in that Dave started turning

00:03:22.820 his own views, having listened with an open mind, as too few people do.

00:03:27.100 And Candace Owens saw it.

00:03:28.220 And she had been a lefty and a liberal and had sounded very different back then and started

00:03:31.940 to listen and change her mind on some of these issues.

00:03:35.520 And Larry has a movie out called Uncle Tom, which is amazing and features some of these

00:03:41.880 very folks in a very profound way and talks about some of the blowback that black conservatives

00:03:46.640 get for not towing the Democratic line, but also just the ideas that are being circulated

00:03:52.160 in some of the liberal circles about people of color and his pushback on that and the pushback

00:03:58.180 of others on that.

00:03:59.020 It's well, well worth your time.

00:04:00.500 Watch Uncle Tom, which you can get on UncleTom.com and he'll tell us where else we can get it.

00:04:06.040 But anyway, you're going to love him.

00:04:07.800 He's going to educate you.

00:04:09.140 And he's coming up right after this.

00:04:11.220 I'm so excited for this discussion.

00:04:16.820 You're you're brilliant.

00:04:18.180 I love everything you say.

00:04:20.040 Uncle Tom was a masterpiece.

00:04:22.100 And I just like the more I listen to you, Larry, the more I'm like, oh, my God, the amount

00:04:26.300 of work that must have gone in to the education you've had to give yourself on these issues.

00:04:31.180 I mean, it's been a lifetime of self-study, right, because you're not getting fed any of

00:04:35.700 these truths by our media.

00:04:37.900 Now, Megan, how am I supposed to live up to that?

00:04:39.600 Yeah, set in the bar high, man, get somebody else.

00:04:44.880 I predict you will.

00:04:45.960 I predict the audience will see that you will do it.

00:04:48.880 I just feel like, you know, I heard Candace saying in Uncle Tom, you could graduate from

00:04:53.920 high school with a perfect 4.0 and you would be educated and you would be miseducated given

00:04:59.900 the liberal bent in these schools, especially when it comes to issues like race.

00:05:04.200 And yet you're her mentor.

00:05:06.680 You're the person she sort of has looked to for straight facts, new sources of data.

00:05:12.920 So how did you get to your place where you didn't accept what was happening in the media

00:05:19.080 and the narrative being shoved down your throat and decided to be an independent thinker?

00:05:23.060 It all came from my mother and my father, Megan.

00:05:26.160 My mother, lifelong Democrat.

00:05:28.100 My father, lifelong Republican.

00:05:29.940 And you should be at our dinner table and our breakfast table sometimes when they would argue.

00:05:34.660 And my father always felt that the Democratic Party, quote, wants to give you something for

00:05:39.640 nothing.

00:05:40.340 And when you try and get something for nothing, you almost always end up getting nothing for

00:05:44.440 something.

00:05:45.140 That was his favorite expression.

00:05:46.740 And the older I got, the more sense he made.

00:05:48.800 My father never felt that he was a victim.

00:05:50.540 If anybody had a reason to feel that America was a racist, hateful place, it was my dad.

00:05:55.220 Where was he brought up?

00:05:57.100 My father was born in Athens, Georgia.

00:06:00.580 And he was born to a single mom.

00:06:03.760 He never met his biological father.

00:06:05.760 His mother had a series of irresponsible boyfriends, one more irresponsible than the next.

00:06:11.100 The last name I have, Elder Megan.

00:06:13.680 That is the name of a boyfriend his mom had who stayed in his life probably longer than the

00:06:18.920 other boyfriends, maybe four or five years.

00:06:21.200 My father came home from school at the age of 13 and quarreled with his mom's then-boyfriend.

00:06:26.620 Mom's side to the boyfriend, kicks my father out of the house, never to return.

00:06:32.340 You're talking about a black boy, Athens, Georgia, Jim Crow South at the beginning of the Great

00:06:37.560 Depression.

00:06:38.480 I defy you to find somebody who had a hand up like that.

00:06:41.400 And I asked my father, what did you do?

00:06:43.960 And my father said, what did you think I did?

00:06:45.740 I went down the road and I took any kind of job I could get.

00:06:48.960 Ultimately, he became a Pullman porter for the trains.

00:06:51.640 They were the largest private employer of blacks in those days.

00:06:54.500 So this little black boy from Athens, Georgia, Megan, was able to go all around the country

00:07:00.060 on the trains.

00:07:01.060 And it was an eye-opening experience for him.

00:07:04.260 And on one run, he came out to California.

00:07:06.320 Now, again, this is in the 30s.

00:07:07.460 And my father was amazed at how sunny it was, how warm it was, and the fact that he could

00:07:13.320 walk into a restaurant in the front door and get served.

00:07:16.900 He always told me he had tens of tuna and crackers because he never knew whether he'd

00:07:22.380 be able to get a meal when he was on the road.

00:07:24.360 So my father said he made a mental note, maybe someday I'll relocate to California.

00:07:28.320 Pearl Harbor, my dad, joins the Marines.

00:07:30.580 He became a Montford Point Marine.

00:07:33.000 They were the first black Marines, 1942 to 1949, 20,000 of them.

00:07:38.540 They got a Congressional Gold Medal, by the way.

00:07:40.660 My dad was stationed on the island of Guam.

00:07:43.320 When the bombs fell, the war is over.

00:07:44.960 My dad goes back to Chattanooga, Tennessee, where he had met and married my mom to get him

00:07:48.460 a job as a cook because he cooked in the military.

00:07:52.000 He was a staff sergeant in charge of KP for the black soldiers.

00:07:55.940 So he goes to Chattanooga, walks all around to get him a job as a short order cook.

00:07:59.640 And he's told, by restaurant after restaurant after restaurant, pardon my language, we don't

00:08:04.360 hire niggers.

00:08:05.580 My dad said, I just cook for thousands of GIs for the war effort.

00:08:09.780 We don't hire niggers.

00:08:11.220 My dad came home to my mom and said, I'm going to an unemployment office.

00:08:14.860 He went to an unemployment office.

00:08:16.320 The lady said, you went through the wrong door.

00:08:18.460 My dad goes out to the hall and sees colored only and goes to that door to the very same

00:08:23.360 lady who sent him out.

00:08:24.800 He came home to my mom and he said, this is BS.

00:08:27.920 I'm going to California, to Los Angeles, where I was years ago.

00:08:31.160 I'm going to get me a job as a short order cook and I'll send for you.

00:08:34.200 So my dad comes out here to LA, where I am right now, walks around for a day and a half,

00:08:38.240 goes to restaurant after restaurant and says, I want a job.

00:08:41.120 And they say, I'm sorry, you have no references.

00:08:45.360 My dad said, references?

00:08:46.820 I have to have references to make ham and eggs?

00:08:49.240 They treated him the same way they treated him in Chattanooga.

00:08:52.460 They were just more polite about it.

00:08:54.000 So my dad goes to unemployment office, this time only one door.

00:08:56.720 That's how much more progressive LA was.

00:08:59.880 And the lady said, I have nothing.

00:09:01.340 My dad said, what time do you open?

00:09:02.660 She said, eight.

00:09:03.240 What time do you close?

00:09:03.940 He said, 530.

00:09:04.940 I'll be in that chair until you can find something.

00:09:07.300 I need a job.

00:09:08.340 My dad sat in that chair for about a day and a half.

00:09:10.600 Lady calls him up.

00:09:11.880 I have a job.

00:09:12.840 Don't know whether or not you're going to want it.

00:09:14.140 My dad said, of course I'm going to want it.

00:09:15.400 What is it?

00:09:15.960 She said, it's cleaning toilets and Nabisco brand bread.

00:09:19.000 My dad did that for 10 years, took a second full-time job for another bread company,

00:09:24.000 cleaning toilets, cooked for a family on the weekend to get additional money, and went

00:09:28.800 to night school two or three nights a week to get his GED.

00:09:31.760 The man never slept, which is why he was so cranky.

00:09:35.400 And my father told my brothers and me the following, hard work wins.

00:09:39.860 You get out of life what you put into it.

00:09:41.440 Larry, you cannot control the outcome, but you are 100% in control of the effort.

00:09:45.300 And before you moan and whine about what somebody did to you or said to you, go to the nearest

00:09:50.120 mirror, look at it, and say, what could I have done to change the outcome?

00:09:53.740 And finally, my dad said, no matter how good you are, how hard you work, bad stuff will

00:09:58.200 happen.

00:09:58.580 How you deal with that bad stuff will tell your mother and me if we raised a man.

00:10:03.180 And that basically is a model that I've always lived by.

00:10:06.500 Oh, I love that.

00:10:07.760 I mean, hard work wins is 100% true.

00:10:10.040 And you know as well as I do, though, that if I were to say that, which I do, they'd say

00:10:15.440 that's my white privilege talking.

00:10:16.920 Like, that's a white woman who's had all the advantages of the system and doesn't understand

00:10:20.800 what it's like to be a black person in America.

00:10:23.200 Well, and that, of course, is BS.

00:10:25.780 Probably the most prominent think tank on the left, Megan, is the Brookings Institution.

00:10:31.360 And probably one of the more prominent ones on the right is American Enterprise Institute.

00:10:35.120 If you look at their formula for success to escape poverty, it's almost identical.

00:10:40.040 Step number one, finish high school.

00:10:42.540 Step number two, don't have a kid until you get married.

00:10:45.040 Step number three, get a job, keep a job, don't quit that job until you get another job.

00:10:49.280 Step number four, avoid the criminal justice system.

00:10:51.900 You do that, you will not be poor.

00:10:54.740 You don't, there's a better than even chance you will be.

00:10:59.520 You know, it's funny to listen to you tell your dad's story because what we're hearing

00:11:03.920 right now is, you know, take what happened on Yale, Yale's campus about the Halloween

00:11:09.280 costumes a couple of years ago where these students of all colors, but, but a lot of

00:11:13.660 minority students are yelling, yelling at the, at the Yale professors about the fact

00:11:18.980 that one of them, a female professor had written a note saying, I think these Yale students

00:11:23.000 are old enough to figure out what they should wear on Halloween.

00:11:25.420 I don't think we need to babysit them and hold their hands.

00:11:27.760 And her husband, right?

00:11:29.680 He wrote a little letter saying, yeah, I think my wife is right.

00:11:32.600 I'm, you know, summarizing here, but he got screamed at.

00:11:37.200 And some of the people screaming at him, some of the black students were yelling like, you

00:11:42.020 have no idea.

00:11:43.420 You don't know how we've suffered.

00:11:45.340 You haven't gone through what we've gone through.

00:11:47.200 And the guy stood there for like three hours and took it, but I'm thinking that they, they

00:11:52.260 have no idea what's, what real suffering is when you hear a story like what your dad went

00:11:57.100 through.

00:11:57.800 No, they have absolutely no idea.

00:12:00.220 And you look at America and look at the black community, the number one problem facing the

00:12:04.440 black community is not systemic racism, not inequality, not any of the other catchphrases

00:12:08.980 that they use.

00:12:09.540 The number one problem facing the country in general and the black community in particular,

00:12:13.240 Megan, is the fact that in the black community, 70% of kids are brought into the world without

00:12:18.040 a father married to the mother, 70%.

00:12:20.440 And forget about elder, Barack Obama once said when he was being honest, a kid raised

00:12:25.580 without a father is five times more likely to be poor and commit crime, nine times more

00:12:29.720 likely to drop out of school, 20 times more likely to end up in jail.

00:12:32.860 Now, the question is, how have we gone from having 18% of black kids being born outside of

00:12:37.020 wedlock in 1950 to 70% now?

00:12:40.100 And I argue that our welfare state, no matter how well intended it was that Lyndon Johnson

00:12:45.220 launched in the mid 60s, the so-called war on poverty, he has incentivized women to marry

00:12:49.520 the government and has incentivized men to abandon their financial and moral responsibility.

00:12:54.240 It is far and away the number one problem facing this country.

00:12:57.060 I've been in talk radio and television for about 35 years.

00:13:01.780 And in my career, I've never been able to get Jesse Jackson to come on my show and sit

00:13:05.060 down for an interview like you and I are having.

00:13:06.540 I've never been able to get Maxine Waters to do so, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, I mentioned

00:13:13.400 Maxine Waters.

00:13:14.380 But one of these so-called black leaders I was able to get on my program, Kuwese Mfume,

00:13:19.100 he was a longtime congressman from Baltimore, then he became the president of the NAACP.

00:13:24.240 By the way, he's back in Congress.

00:13:25.920 But when he was president of the NAACP, he came on my show.

00:13:29.020 And my first question, Megan, was this question verbatim.

00:13:31.980 Mr. Mfume, as between the presence of white racism or the absence of black fathers, which

00:13:38.580 poses the bigger threat to the black community, end of quote.

00:13:41.840 And to his credit, without missing a beat, he said, the absence of black fathers.

00:13:47.540 So let's go back and dissect that, OK, because I've read the same thing by Thomas Sowell and

00:13:52.000 I've seen it in Eli Steele's books, Shelby Steele.

00:13:55.920 And and I understand like they talk about how the black sort of family in this country

00:14:02.260 was in a lot better shape prior to all of the social programs unleashed by LBJ in the

00:14:07.640 1960s.

00:14:08.500 And that sort of in that hundred year period between the Civil War and the LBJ programs,

00:14:15.140 blacks were doing better.

00:14:16.640 They the the the growth in the black family and when it came to education, when it came

00:14:20.700 to work in America was on the right track.

00:14:23.100 And then and then what we thought was a very good thing happened.

00:14:28.200 Right.

00:14:28.400 The expansion of like the Great Society and these programs that would help blacks and

00:14:33.100 welfare that would help, you know, the moms living at home, single moms.

00:14:36.140 So what what was it?

00:14:37.720 Can you speak to that historical period?

00:14:39.220 Speak to that hundred year period.

00:14:40.380 And then what happened?

00:14:41.780 Well, what happened from 1940, let's say, to 1960, in 1940, 87 percent of blacks live

00:14:47.960 below the federally defined level of poverty.

00:14:50.540 Twenty years later, that number had dropped to 47 percent.

00:14:53.200 That's a 40 point drop in 20 years.

00:14:56.000 That's the greatest period, 20 year period of economic expansion for blacks in American

00:15:00.240 history.

00:15:00.640 And notably, that took place before the war on poverty, before most most of it took place

00:15:05.900 before Brown versus Board of Education in 1954.

00:15:08.180 Of course, before all the Civil Rights Act that took place in 1964, 1965.

00:15:13.000 And it turns out, despite all the horrors, despite Jim Crow, despite the lynching, despite

00:15:17.800 all the horrors that black people are facing, blacks still overcame, still kept going forward.

00:15:25.220 Poverty still kept going down.

00:15:27.140 And shortly after the so-called war on poverty was launched, poverty for blacks in the country

00:15:32.200 began to flatline.

00:15:33.340 Had Lyndon Johnson not done this, the poverty level for blacks would have continued to go

00:15:38.440 down.

00:15:39.000 We would not be having this conversation we're having right now.

00:15:41.520 What he's done, what that did is change incentives, change the culture, so that now being on welfare

00:15:48.020 is no longer even a stigma.

00:15:49.580 When I was growing up, my mother and father had an expression for people who are on the

00:15:53.020 welfare, and there weren't very many of them in my community.

00:15:55.420 They called it, quote, being on the county, close quote.

00:15:58.020 You did not want to be on the county.

00:16:00.100 Now having being on welfare is not a problem anymore.

00:16:02.780 So not only has it changed people's economic incentives, it's also changed the cultural

00:16:06.640 attitude towards being on welfare.

00:16:08.300 It was a neutron bomb dropped on this country.

00:16:11.720 How does it change?

00:16:13.040 How does the presence of a black father in the home change as a result of those programs?

00:16:18.860 Well, the programs, you couldn't, you were not eligible for the programs if you had a

00:16:23.160 father in the home.

00:16:24.260 So the only way to get these benefits is for the mother to be single.

00:16:27.760 So there was a disincentive for her to marry the husband if she wanted these kinds of

00:16:31.780 monies.

00:16:32.280 There was a poll taken, I think it was in 1994, LA Times, where poor people and non-poor people

00:16:38.040 were asked the following question.

00:16:39.600 Do you think people on welfare have additional children to get additional money?

00:16:44.020 The majority of the non-poor people, Megan, said no.

00:16:47.520 They probably thought the question was insulting, if not racist.

00:16:50.660 However, the majority of poor people said yes.

00:16:53.240 64% of them said yes.

00:16:54.680 So who do you think is in a better position to know?

00:16:57.360 In 1986, the LA Times did a poll of poor people and asked them whether or not they thought

00:17:03.580 welfare was a crutch that caused dependency or whether it was a step to make you independent.

00:17:09.760 More of them said crutch than they said steps for independence, 41% to 31% respectively.

00:17:15.820 Again, whom do you think would be in a better position to know what welfare is doing, poor

00:17:19.880 people or non-poor people?

00:17:21.000 Mm-hmm.

00:17:22.200 So, well, how did that change in, you know, the 1990s when Bill Clinton came in and, I

00:17:27.180 mean, basically tried to get rid of welfare and try to move people more to, he called

00:17:31.580 it workfare at the time?

00:17:33.300 Well, what happened is it demonstrated exactly what I'm talking about, the Welfare Reform

00:17:38.180 Act that Bill Clinton signed.

00:17:39.340 And don't forget, he campaigned on changing welfare as we know it and didn't do jack.

00:17:44.040 But Dick Morris, his campaign advisor, said, look, if you don't sign this bill, you're

00:17:49.620 not going to get reelected.

00:17:50.640 So he signed the bill that was identically worded to the two bills that he previously

00:17:55.460 vetoed.

00:17:57.940 And what happened?

00:17:59.700 Welfare roles declined by 50%, far steeper decline than any of the experts predicted without

00:18:05.980 an increase in abortion.

00:18:07.800 It turned out there were a whole bunch of able-bodied and able-minded people who got off the couch

00:18:11.420 after they realized two things.

00:18:13.080 This Welfare Reform Act, for the first time, put time limits and put so-called family caps

00:18:18.720 so you didn't get additional money if you had additional children.

00:18:21.380 And it had exactly the effect that some of us thought it would have.

00:18:24.980 And it convinced a lot of able-bodied people to get off the couch and go into work.

00:18:29.960 So did it, it doesn't seem like it increased the presence of Black fathers in the homes, though?

00:18:37.160 No, it doesn't.

00:18:38.080 It doesn't appear to have done that, but at least it got more people back to work.

00:18:43.120 So you think that cultural damage was already done?

00:18:45.280 I mean, there was no sort of putting the genie back in the bottle at that point?

00:18:48.520 Oh, yeah.

00:18:49.040 The damage, a lot of damage had already been done.

00:18:51.380 And the fact that we can't even talk about this, if you even talk about what the welfare

00:18:55.620 system has done, you're considered to be a sellout if you're Black, you're a racist

00:19:00.380 if you're white.

00:19:01.100 So we can't even talk about the damage that is done.

00:19:03.860 Again, that's why I like to quote Obama on not having a father in the home.

00:19:07.540 This is a man, Obama, who wrote his first autobiography about his angst about not having

00:19:12.620 a father in the home.

00:19:13.880 Al Sharpton was a middle-class guy until his father abandoned the family, then down to the

00:19:17.940 ghetto.

00:19:18.600 Jesse Jackson, his mother was a teenage mom who got pregnant by the married man who lived

00:19:23.700 next door.

00:19:24.700 And when Jesse Jackson was raised in South Carolina, he was taunted because it was rare

00:19:28.300 for you not to have a father in those days.

00:19:30.640 And the kid said, Jesse ain't got no daddy.

00:19:32.560 Jesse ain't got no daddy.

00:19:33.580 Farrakhan's mom, divorced, was separated from her husband, had a boyfriend, took back

00:19:40.740 up with the husband, briefly got pregnant, didn't want the boyfriend to know, and tried

00:19:44.280 to avoid Farrakhan with a coat hanger.

00:19:46.660 I'm not a psychologist, but I would argue that all three of these so-called Black leaders

00:19:50.440 have issues with their fathers, which is why they can't appreciate how much better America

00:19:54.780 has been over the last 30 or 40 years.

00:19:56.740 And they still talk about America as if it's the 50s with people still getting lynched.

00:20:00.320 I think it's in part because of their hole in their soul by not having a father.

00:20:04.140 I could be wrong, but it's the number one problem, again, facing the country and facing

00:20:08.460 the Black community.

00:20:09.220 50% of Hispanic kids are now born outside of wedlock.

00:20:13.240 25% of white kids.

00:20:14.940 When I was in college, Megan, 1970, I was a freshman.

00:20:19.880 A booklet had just come out by a Democrat named Daniel Patrick Moynihan called The Negro

00:20:24.640 Family, A Case for National Action.

00:20:27.220 At the time, 25% of Black kids were born outside of wedlock, a number that Moynihan, who later

00:20:33.000 on ran and became a New York senator, Democrat, said that number was horrific.

00:20:37.260 We don't do something about it.

00:20:38.460 It's going to have all sorts of negative social consequences.

00:20:41.240 Well, fast forward, 25% of white kids are now born outside of wedlock, and nobody is saying

00:20:46.000 a word.

00:20:48.120 I mean, part of that just seems to be because it's just gotten to be more acceptable, right?

00:20:52.860 I mean, now, not long ago, we did a story on throuples, right?

00:20:57.740 Like, that's the latest craze, where it's not just two people in a relationship, it's

00:21:00.820 three people.

00:21:01.600 There was just an article celebrating, I guess it's a throuple, of three guys who just had

00:21:07.140 their first child.

00:21:08.260 So this kid's being raised, you want dads, you got three of them in that family.

00:21:11.700 But I mean, our standards on what's an acceptable way to live and the importance of the nuclear

00:21:17.140 family as we knew it have definitely changed.

00:21:19.280 No question about it.

00:21:21.580 And the left feels that having a non-traditional family is perfectly okay.

00:21:27.460 I've seen the Black Lives Matter agenda, and they attack the institutional regular family

00:21:33.780 as some sort of Western civilization construct.

00:21:37.380 I mean, honestly, I don't know what to say anymore.

00:21:41.420 It's just outrageous.

00:21:42.620 And the Democrats play this race card constantly.

00:21:45.620 Obviously, the problems facing the Black community have nothing to do with bad policies or the

00:21:50.980 change of culture and everything to do with systemic racism, structural racism, endemic

00:21:54.940 racism, foundational racism, which is one that I think Baylor O'Rourke gave us, foundational

00:21:59.460 racism.

00:22:00.560 That's what they're pursuing.

00:22:01.840 And Democrats pursue it for votes, and the media pursues it for ratings.

00:22:05.600 And meanwhile, the Black community suffers.

00:22:07.220 And it does seem to be there's a high degree of just desire to wrestle with your white guilt.

00:22:15.780 I mean, I see that in some of my media brethren, is that I don't know if they feel bad.

00:22:19.340 They have these big salaries.

00:22:21.000 They're too lazy to do the homework that you've just cited.

00:22:24.160 They feel like they're on the side of the angels if they say all the right things, like

00:22:27.280 follow whatever Ibram Kendi says or Robin DiAngelo says, and that way they'll be unassailable.

00:22:33.060 I don't know.

00:22:33.800 I don't think it's all for ratings.

00:22:35.400 I think it's also like a liberal ideological commitment to pay for sins of the father.

00:22:43.260 Which they think they can pursue for ratings.

00:22:46.360 I have said, Megan, that whoever said compound interest is the greatest force in the universe,

00:22:51.980 it's been attributed to Einstein, but there's no real evidence that he said it.

00:22:55.380 But whoever said compound interest is the greatest force in the universe has never encountered

00:23:00.160 white guilt.

00:23:00.780 It is a force of nature that has damaged this country.

00:23:06.100 Take just affirmative action, race-based preferences, the lowering of standards in order to achieve

00:23:10.200 some sort of diversity on college campuses.

00:23:12.300 Studies have shown when you lower the standards, you increase the likelihood of the kid dropping

00:23:16.880 out of school.

00:23:17.800 And when the kid drops out of school, he or she is pissed off.

00:23:21.020 They wonder why the school admitted me in the first place if I wasn't able to do the work.

00:23:24.440 Then they have debt.

00:23:25.940 They accuse teachers of being racist.

00:23:27.560 They accuse the schools of being racist.

00:23:29.240 You've not achieved anything other than take somebody, to use a baseball analogy, out of

00:23:33.400 double-A ball and put him in the major leagues where he got his brains beaten in.

00:23:37.680 Had you let him alone, he would have gradually gotten to the major leagues at a pace that he

00:23:41.380 could handle given the fact that he had a substandard K-12 education.

00:23:45.760 That's what's going on here.

00:23:46.920 And I've seen it over and over again.

00:23:48.160 I saw it when I was in college.

00:23:49.320 The kids that they admitted, often with, in my opinion, stats and scores that should

00:23:53.940 not have put him in there, many of them dropped out and they end up being angry and they have

00:23:57.600 this whole philosophy about how racist America is.

00:24:00.180 Why did the school admit you if they were racist?

00:24:02.440 We're all in left-wing, I went to Brown, which is an Ivy League left-wing school.

00:24:07.600 You're telling me all these professors are racist.

00:24:09.440 They flunked you because you were black.

00:24:11.020 That is how a lot of these students felt when they didn't do well because they were put on

00:24:14.660 the track that they couldn't keep up.

00:24:16.120 All because of people who feel that just diversity is good soup.

00:24:20.760 I have a good friend who lives in Cleveland.

00:24:22.380 I've known him for 40 years.

00:24:23.700 He's as left-wing as you can get.

00:24:25.980 Professor at a law school.

00:24:28.140 And some years ago, he was talking about the importance of diversifying the student body

00:24:32.200 by admitting black students by lowering the scores.

00:24:35.200 And I said, you're going to rule the day.

00:24:36.960 Fast forward a few years later, I'm in his house.

00:24:39.020 He's grading papers and he's yelling and screaming.

00:24:41.680 I come in, I said, what's the matter?

00:24:43.040 He said, these kids just...

00:24:44.260 I said, are these the black students that you admitted under race-based preferences?

00:24:48.920 And if a white person can turn even whiter, he did.

00:24:55.960 That's funny.

00:24:56.900 You know, the thing about affirmative action, I talked about this on an earlier podcast,

00:25:00.340 but I thought it was a good idea when I was younger because I thought, okay, it's important

00:25:05.460 for everybody to have the races mix.

00:25:07.720 I think that's one of the ways we get rid of racism is by exposing, you know, more good

00:25:11.880 people to more good people of other races and seeing, you know, they're not, they're

00:25:15.580 not otherized.

00:25:16.760 They're not scary.

00:25:17.560 They're not, they're just like everybody else.

00:25:19.620 We're all humans.

00:25:20.160 Um, but then when I started to really read up on what happens with these admissions is

00:25:26.920 it's not good for the black students who you think are being given a leg up, but really

00:25:31.640 you're setting them up to fail.

00:25:32.820 As you pointed out, they're, they're judged by others because everyone assumes that they

00:25:37.260 checked a box and not all of them did.

00:25:39.360 Right.

00:25:39.720 So it kind of hurts the ones who got in on their own merit and then they get there.

00:25:43.420 They can't handle the work in a lot of circumstances because they're competing against people whose,

00:25:47.280 you know, scores were always much higher that they're two standard deviations below their

00:25:52.160 brethren on the SAT scores.

00:25:54.160 And so they struggle same way I would have if I got into Harvard instead of Syracuse,

00:25:58.220 but I went where I probably belonged.

00:26:00.900 And, and the thing is what, what the studies say, Larry, you tell me, but it was, it was basically

00:26:05.980 saying that what then happens is because they've gone to a university who's at workload, they

00:26:11.160 can't necessarily handle.

00:26:12.540 They, they all wind up majoring in like African-American studies.

00:26:17.620 Whereas if they'd gone to a school like, like Syracuse, like mine, which is fine, right?

00:26:21.700 It was not top tiers, no Brown.

00:26:23.400 Um, they could have been a scientist.

00:26:25.780 They could have majored in something that actually would lead to a very good paying job, which

00:26:30.880 majoring in African-American studies most likely will not.

00:26:33.940 Well, and that's right.

00:26:35.200 And I saw it again with my own eyes.

00:26:37.280 Uh, I, I recall a student majoring in pre-med, didn't do that.

00:26:41.440 Well, then met majored in med tech, didn't do that.

00:26:43.420 Well, next, next thing, next thing you know, the major was changed and something else to

00:26:46.440 something else to something else.

00:26:47.760 You didn't do these kids any favor by doing this.

00:26:52.040 And I also agree with you, Megan, when, when I first heard the term affirmative action,

00:26:56.700 it just seemed fair to me.

00:26:58.320 It just seemed like good soup.

00:26:59.700 Uh, and there's no question that, uh, that I benefited from that.

00:27:02.440 I mean, I got, uh, I got into very good schools.

00:27:05.380 Uh, I, I don't know whether I would have gotten into them if had I not been, been black, but

00:27:09.260 I know I would have gone somewhere.

00:27:10.600 There are 7,000 colleges and universities in this, in this country, and I would have

00:27:14.800 gone somewhere.

00:27:15.520 Um, and once or twice, every now and then I get a phone call from somebody black, angry

00:27:20.620 at me on the radio saying, how dare you oppose affirmative action, uh, when you admit that

00:27:25.940 you benefited from it.

00:27:26.940 And I said, yes, but, but don't tell me that I would not have been successful.

00:27:30.460 Uh, if, but for affirmative action, Larry Elder would be working the deep fry at McDonald's.

00:27:34.620 It's ridiculous.

00:27:35.700 And that's what you meant when you talk about the suspicion that you didn't really earn it.

00:27:39.320 There's an asterisk there, um, for people that supposedly went through with race-based

00:27:43.920 preferences.

00:27:44.420 And I, and I resent that.

00:27:46.080 There's a guy named Peter Kirsten.

00:27:47.880 Now I know you know who he is.

00:27:48.820 He's on the U S civil rights commission.

00:27:50.540 Uh, he's black.

00:27:52.180 And, uh, uh, he and I practiced law in Cleveland.

00:27:54.940 When I went, worked for a large law firm, he worked for a large law firm.

00:27:58.000 It turned out that he refused to put his race down on the application when he did his SAT.

00:28:04.160 And when he applied for colleges, uh, for, for law schools, refused to put his, uh, put

00:28:08.180 his race down.

00:28:09.180 And as a result, they didn't know he was black.

00:28:11.140 He ended up going to Cleveland state, which is a regional law school.

00:28:14.360 He killed, he ended up graduating, graduating at the top of his class and ends up going to

00:28:18.640 a very fine law school, just as you did a very fine law firm, just as you did.

00:28:22.560 You went to Jones day, I believe.

00:28:24.120 And I was at Dwyer Sanders and they were, they were, uh, in terms of prestige and power and

00:28:28.440 clout on the same way.

00:28:30.320 So you ended up the same place.

00:28:32.300 I ended up Peter cursing up, ended up the same place I ended up.

00:28:35.960 He just didn't have to go through this serious kind of artificial boost that a lot of other

00:28:40.180 people did.

00:28:40.940 So you're not helping anything.

00:28:42.900 You're hurting the economy.

00:28:44.040 You're hurting the tax base because a lot of students just drop out of law school.

00:28:47.820 They don't then say, well, maybe I should go to accounting school.

00:28:50.260 Maybe I should go to engineering school.

00:28:51.640 A lot of them just drop out because they're angry because they feel that the man has, has

00:28:56.220 cheated them.

00:28:56.680 One of the students I went to school with, um, when I was at Brown, I ended up being in

00:29:03.100 Cleveland years later.

00:29:04.560 I'm at the racetrack and I see one of the guys at Brown who dropped out and I went up

00:29:09.200 to him.

00:29:09.660 I said, Hey, Roland, what's going on?

00:29:11.520 And he was exactly the same way, except angrier.

00:29:14.640 And he was mad at this, mad at that, didn't have a job, sort of didn't have a job, was

00:29:19.820 kind of vague about what he was doing.

00:29:21.680 And I'm telling you, the system made him that way.

00:29:25.260 Had he gone to a regional, a college or a less competitive college, he would have been

00:29:28.920 just fine.

00:29:29.780 He would not have been angry.

00:29:30.940 He would not have had this whole theory about how the man held him down.

00:29:35.460 I love the way you phrased that because I, there was a point in my life in which I realized

00:29:39.560 hard work can get me what I want.

00:29:41.860 Hard work can get me where I want to go.

00:29:44.200 I almost, I almost wrote my first book and called it Out Hustle, right?

00:29:48.680 Because that's, that's the key to getting to the top.

00:29:51.020 I wasn't the smartest lawyer at Jones Day, but I was absolutely the hardest worker.

00:29:55.260 I mean, there was no way my opposing counsel, most of whom went to Harvard and Yale, all

00:30:00.040 these like white shoe law firm or law schools, University of Chicago, there was no way they

00:30:04.540 were going to beat me in court because I would study harder and I would know all the cases

00:30:07.360 and I would know exactly what part of the case they were going to cite and I would know

00:30:10.100 a rebuttal to it.

00:30:10.860 And if it required me to stay up all night, which it did, I would do it.

00:30:15.340 And that's what I learned.

00:30:16.520 If I can out hustle anybody, you know, if I just put in the elbow grease and the time.

00:30:20.720 And I guess if you, if you think about it, affirmative action and similar programs take

00:30:25.060 away the learning of that lesson.

00:30:27.360 And eventually these people leave the, the college education system.

00:30:30.880 They move, they go out in the real world, whether it's somebody like me, a woman who

00:30:34.180 maybe gets a hand up for that or an African-American person and, and the standards then become

00:30:39.220 uniform.

00:30:39.620 I mean, at least I don't know how they are right now, given what we're going through

00:30:42.520 as a country, but normally your boss is not going to promote you if you're not a hard

00:30:46.640 worker and there are hard workers around you, or if your, your work product is weaker

00:30:52.160 than your colleagues.

00:30:53.260 And they, and in that circumstance, I don't know, they care about identity politics.

00:30:57.280 They really don't.

00:30:58.700 You know, Megan, after I practiced law for a few years at Squire Sanders, I became a head

00:31:02.940 hunter, a legal head hunter.

00:31:04.380 And I placed lawyers with law firms and corporations.

00:31:07.080 And as a result, I would interact with a lot of other head hunters who did other, other,

00:31:10.880 other fields.

00:31:12.140 And the consensus was real easy.

00:31:13.840 What, what employers wanted?

00:31:15.000 They wanted somebody who at least has finished high school, who can read, write a computer at

00:31:19.720 grade level, who, who, who will not sass the boss, who will show up on time and be respectful.

00:31:24.620 And we'll take it from there.

00:31:26.300 We'll train them from there.

00:31:27.900 But in California, where I am, 85% of black students cannot read at state levels of proficiency.

00:31:35.060 80% of Hispanic kids cannot.

00:31:37.100 It's not the lack of money.

00:31:38.440 They're spending a boatload of money.

00:31:40.360 The kids are simply not getting the encouragement from home.

00:31:43.980 If you don't have somebody in the house to make sure you've gone to bed on time, that you've

00:31:48.040 done your homework, and that you've been sufficiently a school to be able to behave, to learn, you're

00:31:53.000 toast.

00:31:53.760 I don't care what kind of system you have, you're toast.

00:31:56.260 And we're not telling our kids about the importance of at least graduating from high

00:32:01.140 school and making sure that your diploma means that you can read, write, and compute at grade

00:32:05.800 level.

00:32:06.360 Even the kids who do graduate from some of these urban high schools, Kelly, cannot read,

00:32:10.380 write, and compute at grade level.

00:32:11.440 And when they go to a community college or a four-year college, they've got to take remedial

00:32:15.900 reading, remedial math.

00:32:17.220 It is unacceptable.

00:32:19.220 There are 13, 13, Megan, 13 public high schools in Baltimore where 0% of kids can do math

00:32:28.900 at grade level, and another half a dozen where only 1% can.

00:32:32.240 Now, Baltimore is a city that has been run by Democrats and recently been run by Blacks.

00:32:37.580 When Freddie Gray died in police custody in Baltimore in 2015, I believe it was, the mayor

00:32:42.700 was Black, the head of the police department was Black, city council 100% Democrat, majority

00:32:47.640 Black, the state attorney who brought charges against the six officers was Black, three of

00:32:52.560 the six officers was Black, the judge before whom two of the officers tried their case was

00:32:57.680 Black, found them not guilty, by the way.

00:33:00.060 The U.S. Attorney General at the time, Loretta Lynch, was Black, as was the president of the

00:33:05.760 United States.

00:33:06.800 So all these Black people running the system and we're talking about systemic racism?

00:33:12.160 Scotty, beam me up.

00:33:13.300 Coming up in one second, I'm going to ask Larry about some of these systemic claims when it

00:33:18.580 comes to housing, when it comes to education, and indeed when it comes to policing in the

00:33:24.040 United States of America.

00:33:25.440 That's coming up in one minute.

00:33:30.740 They look back, you know, folks who are telling us that all these systems, right, it's not just

00:33:36.460 criminal justice.

00:33:37.140 We heard a lot of that over the past year, but all these systems are systemically racist.

00:33:40.840 Just they'll tie it in large part to, well, housing and education, right?

00:33:44.580 They'll start with housing.

00:33:45.760 They'll take you back to the 1940s, the GI Bill, which helped the white vets, but not

00:33:50.640 the Black vets.

00:33:51.360 And suddenly the white vets had nice homes and good jobs and the Black veterans didn't.

00:33:55.560 And redlining, where they kept Blacks out of many suburban neighborhoods on purpose.

00:34:00.700 And sort of, you know, they made Black people fight with one hand tied behind their backs and

00:34:06.640 made it really tough for them to catch up when it came to a nice house, a good job, a good

00:34:10.480 education.

00:34:11.280 And they wound up living in areas that were not that prosperous.

00:34:14.840 So schools are pretty crappy because they're based on tax dollars.

00:34:18.220 So they don't have good supplies.

00:34:19.720 They don't have great teachers.

00:34:21.360 And they don't have necessarily engaged parents because they're having to work two jobs and

00:34:25.620 they don't have time to spend with their kids after school or in the summers.

00:34:28.680 And so on and so forth.

00:34:29.720 So it's all tied.

00:34:31.120 This is the argument, you know, that it's all tied together the way, you know, that those

00:34:35.720 numbers you just listed off in Baltimore.

00:34:37.660 There's a reason that they're that low.

00:34:39.880 And you have to go back decades to really understand the whole story.

00:34:43.580 I disagree with that strongly.

00:34:45.960 Barack Obama got elected in 2008.

00:34:47.840 I'm old school.

00:34:49.200 I get the L.A. Times, New York Times tossed in my house.

00:34:52.520 So the day he got elected, I bend over and I look at all these pictures on the front pages

00:34:56.820 of both these newspapers, colored pictures of Black parents holding their kids crying, saying,

00:35:01.640 I can now say and be honest, if you work hard, you can be all that you can be.

00:35:08.660 And I was on the air that day and I said, suppose Obama had lost.

00:35:12.980 Are you telling me you've been lying to your kids?

00:35:15.280 You don't really believe that if you invest in yourself, you can make it?

00:35:18.980 My parents told me this my whole life, Megan, and I always knew it.

00:35:22.980 I always knew if I busted my tail, kept clean, didn't make bad moral mistakes, I would be just

00:35:27.820 fine and I would excel.

00:35:29.520 And that's exactly what happened.

00:35:30.820 And that's exactly what's supposed to happen.

00:35:33.500 If you put in the time, at least graduate from high school and make sure that your diploma

00:35:37.980 is meaningful and don't make the bad moral mistakes that I outlined, you'll be just fine

00:35:42.820 in America.

00:35:43.840 And do you think Obama tells Sasha and Malia they're going to be held back by the man,

00:35:48.780 no matter how hard you work, you're still going to face systemic racism?

00:35:51.820 Do you really believe he feels that way?

00:35:54.060 It's a lie.

00:35:55.060 It's a lie.

00:35:55.640 It's a con that the media has been pushing, as I said, for ratings.

00:36:00.160 And Democrats push it for votes.

00:36:01.780 This whole business about systemic racism on the part of the police.

00:36:05.520 Give me the evidence.

00:36:06.420 Wait, wait, wait.

00:36:06.880 Wait.

00:36:07.220 Before we get to the cops, let's stay on academics for just one minute in housing.

00:36:10.700 Because, you know, you look at Obama, he seems like he's the top of the spectrum, right?

00:36:14.200 Like, what about the average person?

00:36:15.440 What about the average kid who's in, you know, a not great neighborhood in inner city Baltimore?

00:36:19.500 Or, by the way, I lived in Baltimore for a number of years.

00:36:21.420 Who doesn't have any advantage.

00:36:24.580 He's just born into this system where maybe he has a father to this household.

00:36:27.880 He has a crappy public school.

00:36:29.640 He has a teacher who's half-assing it.

00:36:32.120 He doesn't see it.

00:36:34.600 There's no one around him who's gone to college, right?

00:36:36.600 So, like, if you can see it, you can be it.

00:36:38.720 How does that kid find empowerment in the way the kids in Palo Alto, California, most of whom are white, most of whom whose parents are billionaires, do?

00:36:48.720 Never in the history of the world has information, education, been more accessible.

00:36:54.900 Pick up your freaking smartphone and Google whatever you want.

00:36:58.900 Go to YouTube.

00:37:00.020 Look at videos of Thomas Sowell.

00:37:01.980 Look at videos of Walter Williams.

00:37:03.300 Look at videos of Shelby Steele.

00:37:04.980 Look at videos of Candace Owen.

00:37:06.600 Look at videos of Larry Elder.

00:37:08.400 There's plenty of influences, positive influences around you if you open your eyes and look.

00:37:14.920 Walter Williams once told me this.

00:37:16.540 I don't know the key to success other than hard work.

00:37:22.880 If there's another formula, please tell me what it is.

00:37:25.500 I've never seen it.

00:37:26.980 You're not responsible for the cards that you're dealt, but you have a moral duty, a moral obligation to pick them up and play them to the best of your ability.

00:37:34.920 If you do that, if you are perceived as trying hard, people will help you.

00:37:40.320 They will come.

00:37:41.160 They will help people who are trying to help themselves.

00:37:43.260 If you sit around feeling sorry for yourself, the results are going to be pretty obvious.

00:37:48.420 What about the, and I definitely want to get to police in a second, but what about the housing situation and the history of redlining and the unwillingness to give black people mortgages in many places in the country, which we then tried to address?

00:38:02.940 But do you feel like it's fixed, like it's been evened out?

00:38:08.280 Because you hear a lot about the housing disparity.

00:38:10.160 No, no, it's been evened out in terms of if I am credit worthy and I apply for a loan at Bank of America or a regional bank or a community bank, I'm going to get that loan.

00:38:20.060 It turns out that banks are more likely to approve the application of an Asian would-be borrower than a white would-be borrower, because the Asian borrower, even though the average Asian who applies it may make less money than the average white person, their credit record is better.

00:38:34.980 You look at the turndown rate of community banks, black-owned banks, it is often higher than the turndown rate of non-black-owned banks, because the community banks are more thinly capitalized.

00:38:45.840 It's just a lie.

00:38:46.960 When Barack Obama was a private lawyer, he joined with other lawyers and filed a class-action lawsuit against Citicorp on behalf of, I believe it was about 186, if I'm not mistaken, plaintiffs who claimed that they applied for loans and they were turned down.

00:38:59.500 Well, Citicorp settled and gave them their loans.

00:39:02.340 Fast forward, virtually every single one of these homeowners either lost the home, went into bankruptcy, which confirmed why Citicorp was not giving them the loan.

00:39:12.380 They did not meet the criteria to be able to pay the loan back, and the failure to keep the house proved that.

00:39:18.540 So it's just not true.

00:39:20.400 What about the New York Times last year had an example of discrimination, and it made national news.

00:39:26.760 It was a couple, I don't know if you remember this story, but it was a couple named Abena and Alex Horton.

00:39:32.100 They lived near Jacksonville, Florida, a predominantly white neighborhood.

00:39:36.180 The woman's black, the man's white.

00:39:39.400 And they, I'm just reading off of the excerpt here, they expected their home to appraise for about $450,000.

00:39:44.540 The appraiser instead gave it a value of $330,000.

00:39:47.900 So they got a second appraisal.

00:39:51.260 Then they took down their family photos, and they put up photos of the man's, the Mr. Horton's, white family members.

00:39:59.620 The black mom, the female half of the couple, took their six-year-old son on a shopping trip.

00:40:04.580 She was out of the house.

00:40:05.900 And the white dad opens the door for the appraiser.

00:40:08.880 The new guy gives the home, which, again, had been previously valued, you know, a week or so earlier, at $330,000.

00:40:14.940 Now it gets appraised at $465,000, more than a 40% increase.

00:40:19.320 This is the type of example that people point to to say, you can't, you know, you can't put data and stats on everything to explain, to say there's no more racism in the system.

00:40:30.840 That's a systemic problem.

00:40:32.160 He's not the only appraiser who does that.

00:40:33.900 This is what a black family is up against, that increases the wage gap and the value gap and the, you know, their housing improvement, and then as a result, their education improvement.

00:40:44.040 Well, I always approach these kinds of things on a case-by-case basis.

00:40:47.980 I need to know a whole lot more about the circumstances.

00:40:50.760 I can say this.

00:40:52.320 I remember D.L. Hughley making a similar complaint.

00:40:55.300 The comedian, he was selling his house, and the realtor told him to take down his pictures.

00:41:02.300 And he got mad and went public and considered that to be an act of racism.

00:41:06.760 I've sold several houses.

00:41:08.560 The realtors always say, take down pictures.

00:41:11.760 I have white friends who've sold houses.

00:41:13.300 They always say, take down pictures, because they want the prospective buyer to imagine what he or she would look like in that house.

00:41:19.860 That's exactly right.

00:41:20.720 They literally just told me that, because we're putting our place on the market soon.

00:41:23.420 They literally just told me and Doug, take down all your pictures.

00:41:25.940 Now, again, that could be particular to me.

00:41:28.320 And Megan, you're white, and you're stunningly beautiful, and they're still telling you to take down your pictures.

00:41:31.760 So what does that say?

00:41:33.160 I mean, honestly, these things have to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

00:41:36.260 And it's as if, Megan, nothing bad ever happens to white people.

00:41:40.040 I was watching a special recently on Fatty Arbuckle.

00:41:43.080 Do you know who that is?

00:41:44.520 Who is that?

00:41:45.900 Fatty Arbuckle was a comedian, a silent film star in the 20s.

00:41:50.400 He was huge.

00:41:51.920 He was a massive, massive star, making a million dollars a year when nobody made a million dollars a year.

00:41:57.040 At a party, he was falsely accused of rape, went to trial, eventually found not guilty.

00:42:03.580 His career completely destroyed, even though he was found not guilty.

00:42:06.960 Nobody would ever hire him.

00:42:08.320 And he's white.

00:42:09.340 I watched a lot of forensic files, that silly program on HLN about murders.

00:42:14.100 And frequently, you'll find some white guy falsely charged, went to jail eight, nine years, got out of prison, and nobody knows about it.

00:42:20.820 That's why I was trying to talk to you about the cops.

00:42:23.260 Cops kill more unarmed whites every year than unarmed blacks.

00:42:26.640 But I bet you most people can't even name an unarmed white person who's been killed by the cops because it does not drive the media's narrative, does not drive the Democrat narrative.

00:42:34.480 Well, and that's what we've been watching.

00:42:36.280 By the way, I mean, Fatty Arbuckle's first injustice was being named Fatty.

00:42:40.060 We shouldn't skip over that.

00:42:43.700 He was insecure, by the way.

00:42:46.260 In today's day and age, you're supposed to take that as a compliment because body positivity.

00:42:49.720 Okay, whatever.

00:42:51.040 By the way, he was a genius.

00:42:52.000 I mean, this guy, he hired Buster Keaton, gave him one of his first jobs.

00:42:57.920 Who's the one that did The Great Dictator?

00:43:00.400 Oh, Charlie Sheldon, sure, sure.

00:43:02.160 That's how big a deal Fatty Arbuckle was.

00:43:04.160 He gave those two stars their first jobs.

00:43:06.880 He was a major star and got jacked over, got brought down by the newspaper that kept running these lurid headlines, and he was completely innocent.

00:43:15.660 So don't tell me nothing bad ever happens to white people.

00:43:18.180 So, but one of the things that you've been railing about, quite rightly, is the media bias and how they create a narrative that people just accept, especially if it plays into the white guilt.

00:43:31.320 And that, I think, explains, I know it's controversial.

00:43:35.600 I don't care.

00:43:36.320 I believe that is what explains the vast majority of unrest we've had in this country over the past year.

00:43:42.140 Am I wrong?

00:43:43.240 No, you're not wrong.

00:43:44.200 As I said, Democrats need to have systemic racism for votes.

00:43:48.400 They need to convince 13% of the electorate, that's black people, that the number one problem facing you are not rotten schools like in Baltimore, not cops who are pulling back for fear of being called racist.

00:44:00.380 No, your number one problem is the man.

00:44:03.460 Your number one problem is racism.

00:44:06.000 This is what people are being taught.

00:44:08.100 And this business about systemic racism by the police, my goodness.

00:44:12.420 I love sports, Negan.

00:44:13.880 And one of my favorite players is LeBron James.

00:44:16.180 And the reason I like him so much is that when the game is over, he's like a surgeon.

00:44:20.920 He will analyze what happened using data, using stats.

00:44:25.100 It's beautiful to watch.

00:44:27.420 But Jacob Blake gets shot in the back.

00:44:31.460 George Floyd dies.

00:44:32.540 They put a mic in LeBron James' face.

00:44:35.480 And it's all emotion.

00:44:36.720 No facts, no data, no stats.

00:44:38.840 Just, oh, when Armin Arbery, the black man who was jogging in Georgia, got killed.

00:44:44.260 LeBron James says, we black people are afraid to leave our houses for fear of being hunted down.

00:44:49.700 I mean, really?

00:44:52.260 7,000 homicides, about 15,000 homicides in this country every year.

00:44:58.180 Half of them are black victims.

00:44:59.840 Almost all of them are killed by other black people.

00:45:03.040 As I said before, if you look at police stats, studies, there's a black Harvard professor named Roland Fryer.

00:45:11.120 He just knew that the police were killing black people just because they were black and decided to do a study about it because he was shocked nobody had done a study to corroborate it.

00:45:18.320 And he found out that not only were the police not killing blacks just because they were black, the police were more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger on a black suspect than a white suspect.

00:45:28.600 He said it was the most shocking findings of my career.

00:45:31.100 There was a long article on April 27, 2016, Washington Post.

00:45:36.080 Decades of research showed that cops are more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger on a black suspect for fear of being called racist.

00:45:43.640 And again, more unarmed whites every year are killed than unarmed blacks.

00:45:47.380 And when I give speeches, I often say, Megan, I have my mic in my hand.

00:45:51.340 I say the line I just now told you, more unarmed whites are killed every year than unarmed blacks.

00:45:55.140 And I say, name an unarmed white.

00:45:57.800 And I drop the mic and I walk away for half a second, for 30 seconds and come back.

00:46:01.760 And nobody can think of one.

00:46:03.800 Tony Timpa.

00:46:05.240 About two weeks ago, an officer running at a suspect sees a man who matches a suspect in a backyard, shoots and kills the wrong man.

00:46:15.080 Cop running was white.

00:46:16.960 Suspect was white.

00:46:18.400 Innocent man, white.

00:46:19.480 Took place in Idaho two weeks ago.

00:46:21.440 If you're just now hearing this, this is my point.

00:46:23.820 Now, obviously it was covered, otherwise it wouldn't know about it, but the media didn't make a big deal out of it.

00:46:28.920 Two months ago, in here in California, Northern California, Megan, a Navy vet knelt on his neck for five minutes by a Northern California cop.

00:46:39.340 The man dies.

00:46:40.360 There's even video.

00:46:42.000 If you're hearing this for the first time, that's my point.

00:46:45.100 The man was a Filipino-American, not black, and therefore did not advance the agenda.

00:46:50.540 But the fact pattern mirrors that of George Floyd.

00:46:53.660 Nobody gave a damn.

00:46:54.640 Right.

00:46:56.200 And the thing about George Floyd is it happened in an election year.

00:47:00.920 I mean, I've been in this business long enough to see whenever something happens, and as you say, sadly, they happen way too often because police have a difficult job and some people resist arrests and there are some bad cops out there.

00:47:12.240 But it's always in an election year that they find one case to blow up, to put on loop, and people are being manipulated.

00:47:21.740 And by the way, then when you try to cite data like you just did, you know, like, hey, the cops make 11 million arrests a year.

00:47:28.580 You know, a very, very, very small percentage of those wind up in some sort of an altercation or certainly in a death of somebody.

00:47:35.800 And it depends on which study you're looking at, but under 4 percent, and according to some, under 1 percent of the black homicides in this case, in this country, are committed by cops killing black men in an arrest situation.

00:47:49.160 So you start citing that, and that's racist.

00:47:53.080 Facts, data are racist now because the cameras, the media, the news anchors have told everyone this is a massive problem coast to coast, and if you don't see it, it's your racism.

00:48:05.020 You know, of the blacks who are killed every year, I think it's one-third of 1 percent are blacks, unarmed black men killed by the cops.

00:48:14.040 And that's the fact pattern people care most about, a cop killing an unarmed black person.

00:48:17.900 I think one-third of 1 percent involve unarmed blacks being killed by cops.

00:48:23.440 Again, most of the black people killed in this country are killed by other black people.

00:48:26.720 The number one cause of preventable death for young white men, accidents, like car accidents or drowning accidents in swimming pools.

00:48:35.280 The number one cause of death, preventable or non-preventable for young blacks, homicide.

00:48:40.020 And again, almost always at the hands of another young black person.

00:48:43.480 You were talking about how the media manipulates.

00:48:45.780 Here's a big one.

00:48:46.900 This is about the election.

00:48:48.540 I'm watching CNN after Trump gave his speech at CPAC, and one of the anchors referred to President Trump as purveying, quote, the big lie.

00:49:01.600 And Ryan Salisa, the senior editor of CNN, had a big article about the large number of Republicans, 75 percent, that believed the election was one of, quote, widespread voter fraud, close quote.

00:49:12.860 In other words, they believe, quote, the big lie, says CNN.

00:49:16.820 Now, for four years, Hillary has called Donald Trump illegitimate.

00:49:22.020 She even used the S word, said it was stolen.

00:49:24.900 Turns out 78 percent of Democrats believe that the Russian interference, quote, changed the outcome of the election, close quote, according to Gowell.

00:49:33.420 So a greater percentage of Democrats believe the 2016 election was, quote, stolen than Republicans believe the 2020 election was stolen.

00:49:41.440 Republicans had far more grounds.

00:49:44.260 Jay Johnson, the Department of Homeland Security, testified under oath about the 2016 election.

00:49:48.960 There is zero evidence that the Russians' attempt to change vote tallies succeeded.

00:49:54.800 There is zero evidence that their attempt to influence the election changed the outcome of the election.

00:50:00.020 Yet 78 percent of Democrats believe that the Russian interference did just that.

00:50:05.520 Does anybody can call Hillary a purveyor of, wait for it, the big lie?

00:50:10.560 Has she been called a big liar?

00:50:12.700 No, just Trump, even though Hillary said the same thing for four years with less grounds to say it.

00:50:19.280 That's different.

00:50:20.400 She's a Democrat.

00:50:24.240 It's been it's it has been absurd and it's been so frustrating.

00:50:27.380 And usually, Larry, I have to say I can laugh at it.

00:50:29.860 You know, the double standard.

00:50:30.740 It's like people know.

00:50:31.560 I think, you know, the media is exposing themselves themselves, especially under Trump.

00:50:35.260 But what I saw over the past nine months is downright dangerous.

00:50:39.080 I mean, it's really, truly downright dangerous.

00:50:41.120 And I I've heard you point out before that.

00:50:43.200 I mean, it's dangerous in many ways.

00:50:44.400 But one of the ways is it is that now a young black man getting pulled over by a police officer,

00:50:50.120 getting stopped by a police officer, goes in charged, believing something that may be totally

00:50:56.400 untrue.

00:50:57.380 Right.

00:50:57.920 And so it's almost setting people up for more confrontations that could lead to danger.

00:51:04.280 I'll give you an example that illustrates what you're what you're just now saying.

00:51:07.480 There's a town outside of L.A. called Rialto.

00:51:10.180 It's about one hundred thousand people.

00:51:11.780 And demographically, it pretty much mirrors the demographics of California.

00:51:15.780 The cops were ordered to wear body cams a few years ago.

00:51:18.700 They didn't want to, but they were ordered to wear them.

00:51:20.680 So what happened?

00:51:23.320 Police complaints against officers fell 90 percent because the civilians knew they were

00:51:30.420 being recorded.

00:51:31.500 They stopped lying on the officers.

00:51:34.260 And as a result, officer use of force fell 50 percent because the civilians knew they were

00:51:39.540 being watched.

00:51:40.520 They behaved better.

00:51:41.800 The cops, therefore, did not have to use the kind of force they normally would have to use

00:51:45.300 because the civilians were being more compliant.

00:51:47.920 Now, what does this tell you?

00:51:48.800 It tells you that a whole lot of civilians are lying their asses off about the police.

00:51:53.760 And when they were recorded, they stopped doing it.

00:51:56.640 It's funny how, you know, the criminal justice system, we know that virtually every every

00:52:00.180 defendant who gets arrested will wind up lying if they go to trial.

00:52:03.140 I mean, it's just an assumption amongst us lawyers.

00:52:05.180 We all know that.

00:52:06.580 And yet at the arrest stage, we give everybody the benefit of the doubt.

00:52:09.780 Nobody would ever lie upon being arrested.

00:52:11.680 You know, and I realize we have a presumption of innocence.

00:52:13.460 I'm just saying, like, we're so quick to say all defendants lie when we get into the courtroom.

00:52:17.040 But we'll never say that when we look at the cops with the would-be defendants on the streets.

00:52:21.460 Well, how about Michael Brown?

00:52:22.700 Hands up, don't shoot, said his friend Dorian Johnson.

00:52:25.180 Complete and total lie.

00:52:26.700 The evidence showed just the opposite.

00:52:28.400 The cop did exactly what the cop was supposed to do.

00:52:31.180 Yet this hands up, don't shoot line is still being said.

00:52:36.660 Facts don't apparently appear to matter to a lot of people if it doesn't advance their agenda.

00:52:41.260 You know, the media, this is a line from Uncle Tom, your movie.

00:52:46.960 Media claims it's for black people.

00:52:48.820 But what it means is it's for liberal black people.

00:52:53.420 And one of the great examples that you have in the movie is of Ben Carson saying something

00:52:58.840 and just getting excoriated for it.

00:53:01.400 And then you flash back to Barack Obama saying the exact same thing and crickets.

00:53:07.740 Exactly.

00:53:09.560 If that doesn't tell you about media bias, I don't know what does.

00:53:11.940 You're talking about Ben Carson's first day at HUD where he gave a speech comparing slaves

00:53:16.860 to immigrants.

00:53:17.700 He said in many ways they're the same.

00:53:19.520 New culture, foreign language, yada, blah, et cetera, got hammered, especially in the black

00:53:24.300 press.

00:53:25.000 How dare this black man not appreciate the difference between a slave who came here involuntarily

00:53:30.080 and an immigrant who came voluntarily?

00:53:31.960 Harump, harump, harump.

00:53:33.140 Barack Obama said the same thing over a dozen times, almost verbatim.

00:53:38.260 Nobody said Jack.

00:53:40.020 Well, you and Ben Carson and Candace and Clarence Thomas and I could go on, Glenn Lowry, you

00:53:47.560 know, Shelby and Eli Steele, you're all in the same boat, right?

00:53:50.840 And that's what Uncle Tom is about, that if you're a black person who's an independent

00:53:54.800 thinker and winds up choosing a more conservative worldview, it may or may not be Republican, but

00:54:00.580 it would be, I would definitely say, more conservative and questioning of sort of these

00:54:04.580 democratic lines.

00:54:06.600 You do.

00:54:07.420 You get called all the worst words.

00:54:09.920 And it's really like this especially nefarious category in the minds of, I don't know, I mean,

00:54:17.340 I was going to say white liberals, but maybe it's white and black liberals.

00:54:20.180 Who do you get more pushback from?

00:54:22.540 Both.

00:54:23.160 But blacks are probably a little more aggressive.

00:54:25.800 It really is an amazing con.

00:54:27.440 Here you have a system, welfare state, that destabilizes the family.

00:54:32.140 Here you have a guy, Larry Elder and these other conservatives, trying to tell people

00:54:35.400 the truth.

00:54:36.260 And rather than say, OK, let me take a look at it, I'm the bad guy.

00:54:40.520 So not only is the left pursuing bad policies, but they're able to convince the people who

00:54:45.760 are being hurt by these policies that this guy standing over here, this black conservative,

00:54:49.920 he's the enemy.

00:54:51.380 That's the ideal con.

00:54:53.480 A con is to, first of all, cheat your victim and then convince the victim that he hasn't

00:54:58.320 been cheated.

00:54:58.900 And if the victim does think he's been cheated, he's been cheated by somebody other than the

00:55:02.240 person that really cheated him.

00:55:03.980 Genius.

00:55:05.740 It's so true.

00:55:06.860 And it's like you have a media reinforcing this entire narrative, you know, that there

00:55:10.660 is racism at every turn and that any black person who questions that narrative is self-hating.

00:55:17.180 I've been called that as a woman who questions some of this feminist messaging, that that's

00:55:20.980 my internalized misogyny, Larry.

00:55:23.000 That's what's really at play, because I can't just have an independent thought on these issues

00:55:26.800 because of my lady parts.

00:55:28.620 Yeah, I've been called a self-loader, too.

00:55:30.840 And I always tell people the same thing.

00:55:33.080 Once I called me up very angry and I said, why am I the enemy?

00:55:37.440 When did that happen?

00:55:38.740 You and I can't have a disagreement about the level of racism without me being an Uncle

00:55:42.360 Tom and a sellout.

00:55:43.380 You and I can't have a disagreement about whether or not the police are engaging in systemic

00:55:47.000 racism without me being a sellout and Uncle Tom.

00:55:49.160 When did that happen?

00:55:51.260 Dean McKay is the executive editor of the New York Times, the first black executive editor.

00:55:56.540 And one of his jobs is to hire columnists.

00:56:00.140 He hired Brett Stevens, a Trump-hating Republican, who wrote a column, his first column, where he

00:56:05.320 was skeptical about climate change.

00:56:08.160 And Dean McKay said a whole bunch of people contacted the New York Times.

00:56:11.560 They were angry.

00:56:12.380 How dare you hire this man?

00:56:14.060 And Dean McKay publicly said, it's come to my conclusion that the left does not want to hear

00:56:20.720 reasonable disagreement.

00:56:24.020 He said this, the left does not want to hear reasonable disagreement.

00:56:28.440 Now, when the executive editor of the New York Times says the left does not want to hear

00:56:32.840 reasonable disagreement, we've got a problem here.

00:56:36.300 And that's why you get people, well, you know, you get James Bennett, who published that Tom Cotton

00:56:40.620 op-ed, fired, you get people like Barry Weiss, who was a liberal.

00:56:45.800 I mean, she is a liberal, but didn't accept everything.

00:56:48.940 It was kind of anti-woke, effectively pushed out.

00:56:52.220 They bullied her to the point where, as a sane human, she was like, well, this isn't for me.

00:56:57.140 And then you've got, now it's gotten even worse, Larry, because now you're seeing

00:57:01.320 these platforms erase you, right?

00:57:05.040 There was the one book on When Harry Became Sally on the transgender issue that just got

00:57:11.120 removed quietly from Amazon.

00:57:12.640 Amazon just pulled the documentary on Clarence Thomas called Created Equal.

00:57:18.500 Jason Reilly, The Wall Street Journal, he came out and said, what Amazon has done is a disservice

00:57:21.900 to anyone, black or white, who's interested in the rich history of black Americans.

00:57:26.500 But are they, or is it only liberal black Americans?

00:57:30.280 Because Clarence Thomas is a history maker himself.

00:57:34.340 Right.

00:57:35.040 And Megan, take my film, Uncle Tom, 8.9 on IMDb, International Movie Database, of the

00:57:42.940 15 films that were nominated this year for a Best Documentary, none of them has a rating

00:57:47.660 as high as mine.

00:57:48.840 And only one of them has more reader reviews than mine, indicating the degree to which people

00:57:54.060 have seen the film.

00:57:55.060 Yet completely, totally shut out from the Academy Award nominations.

00:57:59.260 Not one word written about the film in Daily Variety or in the Hollywood Reporter that

00:58:04.280 follows these movies.

00:58:06.180 The film, in terms of finances, has done seven times its cost and counting.

00:58:11.280 So it's a financial success.

00:58:12.780 It's a critical, critical success, but it's been completely ignored by the Hollywood community.

00:58:17.900 And by the way, if you haven't seen it, you must see it.

00:58:20.640 Now, I watched it when it when it first came out.

00:58:23.180 And and then I just recently watched it again via a link that my team sent.

00:58:27.320 But how can they see it?

00:58:28.240 Because everybody needs to see this.

00:58:29.480 I feel like they should show this in every class in America.

00:58:32.300 I wish they would.

00:58:33.600 And maybe someday I'll get me a benefactor so I can put it out free.

00:58:36.500 I'd love to do that.

00:58:37.540 But you can see it easily on UncleTom.com.

00:58:40.340 It's on iTunes.

00:58:41.540 It's on Amazon Prime.

00:58:43.420 It's also on Walmart online.

00:58:45.620 So it's easy to find.

00:58:46.780 UncleTom.com might be the easiest place to start.

00:58:48.920 I want to talk about a couple of bits in there while we're on the subject of the media.

00:58:53.200 Let me play this one clip, because in there you address how the media brainwashes people.

00:58:58.260 And racism is seen everywhere around every corner.

00:59:03.120 It's like the monster when you were a kid.

00:59:05.460 It's everywhere.

00:59:06.200 You know, when you go to bed at night, it's under your bed.

00:59:08.000 It's in your closet.

00:59:09.180 It's the virus.

00:59:10.760 Exactly right.

00:59:11.320 So you sort of address that and the effect that it's happening.

00:59:14.520 Here's a this is like a two minute clips here.

00:59:16.860 Listen.

00:59:17.080 I grew up being told of my disadvantages, that this country is unfair to black people.

00:59:25.000 You're black.

00:59:25.560 You're not going to be able to do it.

00:59:26.300 You can't get this.

00:59:27.020 You can't get that.

00:59:27.660 You can't get bank loans.

00:59:28.680 When you walk into a bank, you will get a loan more easily if you are a white guy.

00:59:33.140 The ideology is implanted into you subconsciously to believe these things.

00:59:37.520 We don't teach our children to have confidence.

00:59:40.520 It's like we're brainwashed to think, is it because I'm black?

00:59:44.160 Why are they looking at me like that?

00:59:45.520 How many of you feel judged?

00:59:47.720 How many of you feel feared on sight when people see you?

00:59:52.060 Show hands.

00:59:52.780 We teach them to be scared of this country, to be scared of the world that they live in.

00:59:58.940 It's like a cancerous plague in the mind of black Americans.

01:00:02.360 You try to say that this country does not specialize in racism and bigotry.

01:00:06.100 I am saying that racism exists.

01:00:07.940 I am saying that the United States of America.

01:00:10.220 But you have the luxury, you have the luxury to be cavalier about it.

01:00:16.020 When you are angry, it's very easy to be deceived.

01:00:19.320 It's very sad to see black people operate in that.

01:00:22.440 There's a lot of members in the black community who they are operating in very negative energy.

01:00:27.240 I call out racism.

01:00:33.060 That is maddening to me.

01:00:34.680 And I'm crying about it because it's crazy.

01:00:37.060 If you keep yourself in this constant state of woe is me, I'm disadvantaged, I'll never accomplish anything, then you won't accomplish anything.

01:00:46.360 It will be a self-fulfilling prophecy for you.

01:00:48.560 If you determine that you can't be successful or that you're oppressed, then you are oppressed.

01:00:53.660 That's the power of the mind.

01:00:55.400 Believe that you can't, you won't.

01:00:56.620 You sure as hell won't try.

01:00:58.040 And black America has been programmed to believe that we can't.

01:01:01.020 The country was founded on racism and bigotry, David.

01:01:04.240 If you turn on a radio morning show.

01:01:07.400 You African-Americans, the cops show up.

01:01:09.140 We don't know if we're going to make it out alive.

01:01:10.600 I'm sorry.

01:01:11.020 The message is clear.

01:01:13.480 If you broke the white in America, you're wasting your white life.

01:01:16.120 And that's what's being fed into their community.

01:01:19.100 White supremacy is the backbone of political and economic disenfranchisement of black folks.

01:01:24.680 So long as black people continue to have their psyche filled by that nonsense, we won't have an awakening.

01:01:32.200 It's so powerful.

01:01:33.420 The film, the whole film is like that, folks.

01:01:36.020 The whole film.

01:01:37.040 And they go through all of the topics that Larry and I are discussing in a very informative way.

01:01:42.540 You will learn and you will feel something.

01:01:45.260 We always just say that the secret to good TV was you have to make the audience feel something.

01:01:49.860 Well, I felt a lot watching that entire hour and 46 minute film.

01:01:55.540 And that, you know, the point at the end was a very good one, Larry, which is like as long as people just keep getting the spoon fed to them and it's ubiquitous, how do they get out from behind that wall?

01:02:04.620 How do we get people, you know, more people over to the promised land of believing in self-empowerment, not seeing themselves as a victim at every turn and working hard and powering through?

01:02:14.300 Yeah.

01:02:15.260 You just have to tell them the truth and give them the facts.

01:02:18.080 I'll give you something that I've been saying recently.

01:02:20.640 In 2007, Barack Obama, of course, running for president.

01:02:25.140 And Gallup did a poll to find out the extent to which Americans would not vote for a certain category of candidate.

01:02:31.960 He was pursuing the nomination against Hillary.

01:02:34.120 On the other side, the two major candidates were John McCain and Mitt Romney.

01:02:38.940 And Gallup asked whether Americans would not vote for a black person, referring to Obama, would not vote for a woman, referring to Hillary, would not vote for a woman, referring to Romney, would not vote for a man who would be 72 years old when he became president, referring to John McCain.

01:02:52.540 Turned out 5% of Americans said under no circumstances would they vote for a black person.

01:02:57.500 11% said that about a woman.

01:02:59.720 24% said that about a Mormon.

01:03:02.600 42% said they would not vote for somebody who would be 72 years old when he became president, referring to John McCain.

01:03:09.340 So Obama had a lower burden than these three more experienced, better known, white politicians.

01:03:16.700 Wow.

01:03:17.940 I mean, you know, you say you got to get the facts and data out to people, but it's such a small group who is willing to do it.

01:03:24.500 I mean, you are empowered in a way that I think a lot of people with white skin don't feel they can be, right?

01:03:30.620 Because they'll all be called racist.

01:03:31.920 Not that it's pleasant to get called an Uncle Tom.

01:03:34.460 But I mean, you know, you get called a racist as a white person and it's a career ender, right?

01:03:39.220 It's like everything you have could go away, especially right now.

01:03:43.380 So getting the message out right now, it feels harder than ever.

01:03:47.620 But you tell me, because I feel like maybe some of the backlash to the insanity we've seen with the critical race theory and the divisive messaging everywhere,

01:03:56.840 maybe some of the good backlash to that might be a more open-mindedness to what you're saying,

01:04:03.780 to what Thomas Sowell, thank God, is still on this earth saying and others, you know, with similar messaging.

01:04:09.660 Well, I hope so.

01:04:11.160 I've had dinner with him many, many times.

01:04:13.580 We talk about these kinds of things.

01:04:15.240 And I said to him once, my understanding is that the minimum wage probably has been the most studied aspect in economics.

01:04:23.640 He said, probably so.

01:04:24.480 Probably more studies have been done about minimum wage than anything else.

01:04:26.820 And I said, and the overwhelming consensus is that these laws ought not exist and that they hurt people.

01:04:31.820 He said, that's right.

01:04:32.620 I said, why can't you win this argument?

01:04:35.580 He said, Larry, it's because most people have never heard the argument.

01:04:39.840 They don't know that it hurts people who are unskilled.

01:04:42.860 They don't know about all these studies.

01:04:44.300 They don't know that employers, when they're forced to do this, will reduce hours, will raise prices.

01:04:48.880 They don't know the information.

01:04:50.440 As a result, they are ill-informed.

01:04:53.060 Now, that's the problem.

01:04:55.260 If you don't even have the data.

01:04:57.300 I gave a speech once, and often I'm giving speeches before predominantly white audiences.

01:05:02.360 And I look around, and I see a black man in the back, Megan.

01:05:04.900 His arms are crossed.

01:05:06.380 He does not look happy.

01:05:07.500 I've seen that expression before.

01:05:10.260 Speech is over.

01:05:11.520 Man comes up to me, and he says, I am angry.

01:05:14.460 I thought he was going to say he's angry about all the stuff I was saying.

01:05:17.000 He said, I thought I was ill-informed.

01:05:18.920 I did not know there were more unarmed white people killed every year than unarmed blacks.

01:05:23.380 I did not know the percentage of blacks being killed by the cops has declined about 75% in the last 50 years.

01:05:29.760 I did not know what you said about the welfare state.

01:05:32.860 I did not know what you said about the opinion poll, that there were more people unwilling to vote for a woman, unwilling to vote for a Mormon, unwilling to vote for an older man, than willing to vote for a black man.

01:05:43.940 And he went over all the things I said in my speech.

01:05:46.000 And he said, I consider myself to be a smart guy, and I am angry at the sources of news I have been paying attention to, and I'm going to change.

01:05:54.240 And this guy was about maybe 70 years old.

01:05:56.780 Now, this man, his whole life watching CNN, hanging out with the same people, finishing each other's sentences, never knew anybody like me, never exposed anybody like me.

01:06:09.640 And in that hour's speech, I literally changed the way he saw things.

01:06:13.540 Coming up in one second, you know, there's a new push by the Biden administration for reparations to be paid to people of color in this country in response to slavery and other awful events in our history.

01:06:29.300 And it's more likely than ever to actually happen.

01:06:32.880 So Larry Elder testified before Congress on this.

01:06:35.380 I'll ask him what he thinks.

01:06:36.980 But before we get to that, I want to bring you a feature we have called You Can't Say That.

01:06:41.840 You guys know this feature.

01:06:42.860 I love this one.

01:06:44.020 It's time for another edition of You Can't Say That, or Think That, or Read That in this particular circumstance.

01:06:50.320 Oh, wait, this is America.

01:06:52.040 And this time, well, it's a little bit complicated, so bear with me.

01:06:55.180 This is a story about America in 2021.

01:06:58.140 It is a story that no one can beat.

01:07:00.140 And to think that I saw it on Mulberry Street.

01:07:02.440 Yes, we're talking about Dr. Seuss.

01:07:04.060 And why your kids will not be able to read that exact line about Mulberry Street anymore, unless you already have the book on your shelf.

01:07:11.680 Earlier this week, it was Dr. Seuss's birthday.

01:07:14.320 But Dr. Seuss Day, which was the name given to March 2nd and was called as such by past presidents like Obama and Trump, gone.

01:07:23.220 Gone this year.

01:07:23.940 It's over.

01:07:24.360 Hope you enjoyed it.

01:07:25.780 Instead, President Biden called it Read Across America Day.

01:07:28.880 Well, that's boring.

01:07:29.980 Doesn't have the same ring to it.

01:07:31.140 And we got a statement from Dr. Seuss's estate saying, in part,

01:07:36.600 Dr. Seuss Enterprises, working with a panel of experts, including educators, reviewed our catalog of titles and made the decision last year to cease publication and licensing of the following titles.

01:07:49.340 And to think that I saw it on Mulberry Street is one.

01:07:51.980 If I ran the zoo.

01:07:53.540 That's like one of the most popular ones.

01:07:55.100 McElligot's Pool, On Beyond Zebra, Scrambled Eggs Super, and The Cat's Quizzer say goodbye.

01:08:05.300 They say that these books portray people in ways that are hurtful and wrong.

01:08:10.500 Yes, these six books now, done with a quote, include images that are now viewed as racist.

01:08:15.220 And maybe they are.

01:08:15.980 Who knows?

01:08:16.380 It's in the eye of the beholder.

01:08:17.220 But these books were originally published more than 60 years ago.

01:08:21.560 Sixty.

01:08:22.240 So maybe they could just change the offending images or just let people try to grapple with them as they have been for six decades rather than discontinue the books entirely.

01:08:33.000 But that's not all.

01:08:34.340 Because Dr. Seuss has actually been under fire for a while.

01:08:36.720 The Conscious Kids Library, yes, that's a thing.

01:08:40.440 Please never let me take my child there, did a study in 2019 and found that of the 2,240 identified human characters in Dr. Seuss books, just 2% were people of color.

01:08:53.960 How dare he?

01:08:55.160 Well, I bet that's not true if you add in all the blue people and the red people, like the orange people and the yellow people.

01:09:02.020 Like, what do they mean by color?

01:09:04.100 Like, this is so absurd.

01:09:05.820 We always do this, right?

01:09:07.580 We take the modern day lens.

01:09:08.700 We apply it to, you know, a historical time in which it will make no sense and decide to play like we're offended.

01:09:16.920 By the way, that's not all.

01:09:18.100 Because in 2019, Learning for Justice, the educational arm of the Southern Poverty Law Center published an article that took aim at the writing in a specific Dr. Seuss book called The Sneetches, which is a satirical story of how self-defeating racism and bigotry is.

01:09:34.560 They found the book was not, quote, anti-racist because it relies on a race-neutral approach.

01:09:42.700 Well, you know what a sin that is now.

01:09:44.180 You must see color everywhere.

01:09:46.180 And if you don't, then what you see is racism.

01:09:48.280 So, look, is it cancel culture that six books having racist imagery, you know, that they're gone, that they're not being offered anymore anymore?

01:09:58.840 Not exactly.

01:09:59.580 But the anti-racist extremists have had the knives out for Dr. Seuss for a while now.

01:10:05.320 And if you say the star-bellied sneetches aren't any better than the plain-bellied sneetches, well, you can't say that.

01:10:12.520 More with Larry in one second.

01:10:18.060 Right now, given Joe Biden being in the White House, he's trying to bring back, I mean, I don't know if I'll call it the welfare state, but he's certainly trying to push welfare again in this latest COVID relief bill.

01:10:29.040 And he's doing it kind of quietly, but it's in there.

01:10:31.080 It's 100% in there.

01:10:32.300 And there's been a quiet debate in conservative circles about why there isn't more pushback on it.

01:10:37.440 And also, you know, the $15 minimum wage was dropped from that proposal, but it's gaining in popularity.

01:10:44.480 It's going to come back in another forum, maybe a standalone bill, because it was basically just the parliamentarian said, you can't shove that one in this bill.

01:10:50.940 But they want to raise the minimum wage.

01:10:52.880 This is also new to me.

01:10:53.820 I only learned this over the summer about the minimum wage and how it was designed originally to keep Blacks out of the workforce.

01:11:01.100 Blacks who didn't have necessarily high-scale labor to offer were happy to work for smaller numbers so they could support their families.

01:11:08.660 And that was fine by them.

01:11:10.060 And then the so-called savior of the minimum wage got them out of work entirely because they didn't have a skill set to justify those kinds of numbers.

01:11:16.600 It's interesting.

01:11:17.920 We have Black History Month every February, but most Black people have no idea that the minimum wage was designed by a couple of politicians to exclude Black people from competing against white workers.

01:11:28.240 Gun control also, a move to make sure that newly freed slaves did not get guns.

01:11:32.980 That famous Supreme Court case called Greg Scott, the Chief Justice Roger Taney wrote,

01:11:37.460 if we allow Black people to become humans, they could get guns and Lord knows what they would do to us.

01:11:43.240 So all of these policies, Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who believed that certain people ought not exist if they were poor, if many of them were Black.

01:11:52.700 And here you have all of these policies, Planned Parenthood, gun control, minimum wage, promoted by the left when many of these programs started in order to get Black people.

01:12:03.560 It's really something.

01:12:04.480 Well, when you look at, in the movie, the history of the Democratic Party, which, I mean, frankly, was the racist party all along.

01:12:11.720 I mean, through every massive race clash that we've had, the Democrats were on the wrong side.

01:12:17.220 And somehow now they've convinced 90 plus percentage of the Black population to vote for them and that they're the party for Black people.

01:12:26.680 So how did that happen?

01:12:29.040 It's a good question.

01:12:30.120 You know, I just testified a couple of weeks ago at the House Judiciary Committee on reparations.

01:12:36.000 And, of course, I testified against it.

01:12:37.680 And one of the things I wrote is, why should anybody pay a dime other than Democrats?

01:12:42.900 Donetsu D'Souza estimates that only a handful out of 350,000, and by handful, we're talking about maybe eight slave owners were Republicans.

01:12:52.020 350,000 slave owners in 1860, four million slaves, and almost all of the slave owners were Democrats.

01:13:00.280 Democrats founded the KKK.

01:13:02.480 Democrats voted against the 13th Amendment, the 14th Amendment, the 15th Amendment.

01:13:06.400 As a percentage of the party more Republican voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1954 than did Democrats.

01:13:11.600 All these racist lawmakers and politicians like George Wallace and Bull Connor, who sicked dogs and water hoses on Black and white civil rights workers.

01:13:21.760 These were all Democrats.

01:13:23.120 So if anybody should pay any reparations, it ought to be Democrats, specifically white Democrats.

01:13:28.700 Only about 5% of white people right now have any sort of generational connection to slavery.

01:13:32.980 So 95% of whites either had nothing to do with slavery or their ancestors fought and died for the North or were injured for the North.

01:13:40.240 Did they get an exemption?

01:13:41.680 I mean, this is nuts.

01:13:42.700 What about Obama?

01:13:43.600 Obama's father lived in Kenya, an area of active slave trading.

01:13:48.420 His mom's family owned slaves.

01:13:50.480 Does Obama get a check or does he cut a check?

01:13:53.360 Kamala Harris, her dad, Jamaican, he's admitted that his family owned slaves.

01:13:57.700 Does Kamala Harris cut a check or does she get a check?

01:14:00.100 When we paid reparations in the past, we paid them to the victims themselves or to their legal heirs.

01:14:06.180 Good luck finding slave victims right now in their legal heirs.

01:14:09.540 Slavery ended over 150 years ago.

01:14:12.160 Let's knock it off.

01:14:14.120 And yet you have even somebody like Barack Obama coming out now suggesting it's time.

01:14:19.160 Here's a clip of him in an exchange with Bruce Springsteen.

01:14:23.000 So if you ask me, theoretically, are reparations justified?

01:14:30.100 The answer is yes.

01:14:31.860 The wealth of this country, the power of this country was built in significant part on the backs of slaves.

01:14:44.420 The systematic oppression and discrimination of black Americans resulted in black families not being able to build up wealth.

01:14:56.040 And so this then brings us to could you actually get that kind of justice?

01:15:01.900 And what I saw during my presidency was that the politics of white resistance and resentment,

01:15:14.640 All that made the prospect of actually proposing any kind of coherent, meaningful reparations program struck me as politically not only a non-starter, but potentially counterproductive.

01:15:39.760 Even though I was convinced the reparations was a non-starter during my presidency, I understand the argument of people I respect, like Ta-Nehisi Coates, that we should talk about it anyway.

01:15:51.560 Wow.

01:15:52.440 Wow.

01:15:52.840 So, and they are.

01:15:54.780 Biden's on a push for that right now, talking about reparations and sort of doesn't matter whether we get sort of the commission that's going to look into it.

01:16:02.340 He's like, we are looking into it.

01:16:03.980 And what they say, Larry, is it doesn't necessarily mean we're going to cut a check.

01:16:08.940 It means maybe we're going to sort of make historically black colleges free.

01:16:15.260 Maybe we're going to sort of create lanes in some of these areas you and I have been talking about that are easier for blacks to get ahead in.

01:16:24.500 Megan, let me let me attack this this way.

01:16:27.720 Hey, President Obama, when he was running, his first interview with 60 Minutes was with Steve Croft.

01:16:35.560 And it was my first time watching him have a detailed interview.

01:16:39.280 And Croft said to him, Senator, if you don't win, will it be because of racism?

01:16:45.500 And Megan, I sat back and I said, let's see how this Democrat answers this question.

01:16:49.580 Because I know how Al Sharpton would have answered it.

01:16:51.460 I know how Jesse Jackson would have answered it.

01:16:53.180 How is this man going to answer it?

01:16:54.860 And he said.

01:16:55.420 He gave a good answer, I think, didn't he?

01:16:56.920 Yeah, he said, no, if I don't win, it will be because I have not articulated a vision that the American people can embrace.

01:17:04.460 And I said, hallelujah.

01:17:06.460 This is a guy who does not think of himself as a victim.

01:17:09.820 Fast forward, the Cambridge police acted stupidly.

01:17:12.960 If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon.

01:17:15.000 We have our own problems in America.

01:17:16.960 There's a town called Ferguson.

01:17:18.820 He embraces Black Lives Matter.

01:17:21.260 He invites Al Sharpton to the White House over, I think it's 70 times during his second term.

01:17:26.100 Because the politician Obama knows black people have to be angry and convinced of this BS line that America is plagued by systemic racism.

01:17:35.640 Otherwise, they cannot win.

01:17:37.260 They have not won the white vote since 1964.

01:17:39.580 So the human being Obama knows he's a badass.

01:17:43.340 He knows he's a world beater.

01:17:45.280 He had a book out when he was in his 20s.

01:17:47.760 He was president of the Harvard Law Review.

01:17:49.800 This guy knows that nothing's going to hold him back.

01:17:52.220 He knows it's a lie.

01:17:53.240 And in 2016, his last full year of his presidency, he gives a speech at a black college and he says stuff like this.

01:18:00.460 If you could be born anywhere, anytime, where would it be?

01:18:04.140 When would it be?

01:18:05.380 And he said it would be here and now because the opportunities are immense and all that stuff.

01:18:10.800 That's the truth.

01:18:11.940 He knows that.

01:18:12.840 That's what he's telling Sasha and Malia.

01:18:14.460 But he tells other people the opposite because he needs the vote.

01:18:18.100 That's why he's done this pretty much 180 on reparations.

01:18:20.820 Four years ago, when Colton, he had an interview, Obama was opposed to it.

01:18:24.960 He said it was impractical, too divisive, too complicated.

01:18:28.440 Now, all of a sudden, it's justified.

01:18:30.480 Why?

01:18:30.940 He needs to stay relevant.

01:18:32.780 He's got to stay woke.

01:18:33.860 Otherwise, he's a dinosaur.

01:18:36.540 He's done.

01:18:37.420 So Obama has to say this kind of crap, even though four years ago he said the opposite, even though as a human being, he knows it's a damn lie.

01:18:44.920 There is a Harvard-educated sociologist named Orlando Patterson.

01:18:52.300 He's still there.

01:18:53.140 He's black.

01:18:54.060 In the 90s, in the 90s, 1991, he said America, despite its flaws, is now the least racist majority white society in the world, provides more opportunities for blacks than any other country in the world, including all of those of Africa.

01:19:08.700 That was in the 90s.

01:19:09.740 You're telling me right now things are worse than then?

01:19:12.420 It's a joke, and it angers me because right now there's some kid sitting around, not doing his homework, saying to himself, what's the point?

01:19:20.780 Why should I do my homework?

01:19:22.500 The man's going to hold me back anyway.

01:19:24.420 Laziness is one of the hardest things in life to overcome, and all you've done is given people an excuse not to apply themselves.

01:19:31.640 It's an outright crime what the left is doing to black people in this country.

01:19:36.000 This is another point that you make in Uncle Tom.

01:19:41.880 You had a wonderful, wonderful interview with the one and only Herman Cain, who I just adored.

01:19:48.600 That was one of the biggest losses of this whole COVID awfulness is we lost Herman, and he was just such a bright light.

01:19:56.640 He just had a great way of communicating, make you feel better about everything, and a good sense of humor.

01:20:01.980 There was just, I don't know, a lightness to him, and I love in the film where he talks about, the question was something like, somebody asked him once, how did you deal with race growing up when you did?

01:20:13.420 And he said, I didn't.

01:20:14.700 Let them focus on that.

01:20:16.040 He talks about how he got a job at Burger King, I think, and he says he went to Whopper College, which is a real thing, and he just worked his ass off.

01:20:25.560 And he talks about being in the Navy, too, in a circumstance he had where he could have gone.

01:20:29.300 Well, here, we have the clip. Listen.

01:20:31.480 I was working for the Department of the Navy.

01:20:34.460 The same day that I started, another white gentleman named Robert started working there also.

01:20:39.620 We had very similar jobs.

01:20:41.860 So the first 12 months, I got outstanding performance four quarters in a row.

01:20:48.660 The second year, outstanding performance four quarters in a row.

01:20:51.560 And Robert got outstanding performance.

01:20:54.100 But Robert was getting his GS salary increase at least two months sooner than me.

01:21:00.920 So I went to Wayne, my supervisor, and said, Robert and I are both doing a great job.

01:21:05.580 He said, yeah.

01:21:07.200 So why is he getting little increases quicker than me?

01:21:11.500 He said, he has a master's degree.

01:21:14.400 I said, oh, it's not because he's white?

01:21:17.240 Nope.

01:21:18.320 He has a master's degree.

01:21:20.720 Do you know what I did?

01:21:22.340 I didn't get mad.

01:21:24.040 I went and got me a master's degree.

01:21:27.100 There are only four rounds to this lab.

01:21:29.260 Went back, sat down with Wayne.

01:21:31.360 I said, well, I got a master's degree.

01:21:32.720 I said, the next thing you have, open it for a promotion.

01:21:34.520 I said, keep me in mind.

01:21:36.960 See you around.

01:21:37.620 And not long after that, they had a special project called a rocket-assisted projectile.

01:21:44.440 They had to have someone who was going to be the GS-13 supervisory mathematician

01:21:50.300 to do the special ballistics on this rocket-assisted projectile.

01:21:57.120 I got the promotion.

01:21:59.560 And I had eight white people working for me.

01:22:03.200 It was all about performance, not the color of your skin.

01:22:06.440 So since I now had that master's degree, and I had proved myself, I got the job.

01:22:14.100 When I decided to leave Dahlgren, never forget the department head, and he called me up for

01:22:20.220 an exit interview.

01:22:21.640 And I'll never forget Russ.

01:22:22.920 I think he's deceased now.

01:22:25.120 He said, you know, you have taught me something.

01:22:29.900 I said, what?

01:22:31.560 He said, I had never worked with a black person before.

01:22:34.640 You taught me, don't judge somebody.

01:22:38.100 Better call a desk.

01:22:44.560 I have the chills.

01:22:46.840 You know, Megan, when I grew up, about six blocks from me was a guy, I'm going to call

01:22:53.860 him Paul.

01:22:55.560 And we were very, very good friends.

01:22:57.720 And the reason we were good friends is because he admired my academics.

01:23:02.760 I admired his athleticism.

01:23:04.160 I was not a good athlete, although I wished I were.

01:23:07.200 He was not particularly good in school, although he probably wishes he was.

01:23:10.580 And we helped each other.

01:23:11.720 We complimented each other.

01:23:13.440 So I go to college, and I come back, and my friend has changed his name to a Muslim name,

01:23:19.600 and he's angry at the world.

01:23:21.300 Why?

01:23:21.980 Well, he was a wonderful basketball player, Megan, but every time he'd come to practice

01:23:28.040 late, coach would get on him.

01:23:29.560 He'd tell the coach, F you, and the coach would play him anyway because he was the best

01:23:32.900 player, and the coach wanted to win.

01:23:34.360 But when all the colleges came to recruit, my friend, and they came, Duke, UCLA, Marquette,

01:23:40.180 all the major colleges, his coach, the high school coach, told these coaches the truth

01:23:46.420 because he needed to maintain his credibility with them.

01:23:49.700 So they told him, the coach told these prospective coaches that this guy, Paul, was a, quote, coach

01:23:56.240 killer, close quote.

01:23:57.980 Bye-bye, Notre Dame.

01:23:59.300 Bye-bye, UCLA.

01:24:00.640 Bye-bye, USC.

01:24:01.340 See, he ends up going to an undescript, a nondescript college that is not known for basketball,

01:24:07.740 but they do have a basketball team.

01:24:09.460 Now, I'd like to tell you that my friend doubled down, got serious, so he then transferred to

01:24:14.140 the kind of college he should have gone to, went on to the NBA.

01:24:17.180 Instead, he got angry, started smoking dope, and has this whole theory about how the man

01:24:22.700 held him back.

01:24:23.360 Now, I'm coming back from college.

01:24:25.060 I went over to see him, and he told me all this crap.

01:24:27.420 I said, Paul, you and I live six blocks from each other.

01:24:31.340 Same school, same teachers, same classes.

01:24:35.360 How come the white man didn't hold me back, but he's holding you back?

01:24:38.840 This is BS.

01:24:40.000 You look in the mirror, you take responsibility.

01:24:42.260 We are no longer friends, Megan.

01:24:44.100 Wow.

01:24:45.740 Personal responsibility is another buzzword, right?

01:24:48.920 Right.

01:24:49.080 Like, that's, that's, you're not supposed to say that.

01:24:51.740 That's, that comes from a place of privilege.

01:24:53.500 And I don't know how they dismiss black people who make these points, Larry, other than these

01:24:56.940 nasty terms.

01:24:57.700 Megan, I have a question for you, uh, as a white person.

01:25:01.720 Um, okay.

01:25:02.620 Black poverty is because of systemic racism, structural racism, yada, blah, et cetera.

01:25:07.100 Uh, explain white poverty.

01:25:08.580 There are more white, poor white people in this country than there are poor black people.

01:25:12.100 Uh, if black poverty is because of systemic racism, what is white poverty?

01:25:16.140 It's a good point because you, you think about the people living in Appalachia and you're

01:25:21.820 going to tell those people who've had no advantages in life, nobody in their entire family history

01:25:25.700 ever to go to college.

01:25:26.700 They've too have been living on government help for far too long and, you know, drinking

01:25:30.840 Pepsi out of their baby bottles and they're in there for their kids.

01:25:34.420 And, uh, you're going to tell them that they're going to have to pay reparations.

01:25:37.160 Good luck.

01:25:38.040 That's going to go over well.

01:25:39.000 Right.

01:25:39.640 Right.

01:25:39.940 And, and Appalachia is also a demonstration to me of what happens when you have the welfare

01:25:45.000 state.

01:25:45.360 A lot of people there are dependent upon the welfare, have completely turned their cultural

01:25:50.540 drive around.

01:25:52.580 Look at Indian reservations, Native American reservations, uh, 85% poverty rate, something

01:25:57.700 like that, uh, high alcoholism, high divorce.

01:26:00.780 And this, this is a community that is a hundred percent dependent upon federal government.

01:26:04.580 When the government comes in and makes, it gives you a certain level of comfort.

01:26:08.720 Um, a lot of people use that as an out and don't persevere.

01:26:12.760 So if, if there is any example of what the welfare state does to me, the example, uh, is

01:26:18.800 our Native American reservations.

01:26:20.620 They're abysmal.

01:26:21.920 Mm-hmm.

01:26:23.180 Speaking about like white people in Appalachia and elsewhere, what I'll hear from the other

01:26:27.140 side is they, they still have white privilege.

01:26:29.820 They have it.

01:26:30.660 And what it, what it is, is that when they go and walk around the target, they don't get

01:26:35.000 followed, um, just because of the color of their skin.

01:26:37.480 Or, or we'll talk, we'll hear about, you know, quote, the talk that, that black parents have

01:26:42.820 to have with their black kids in particular, their black sons about what you do when a police

01:26:47.140 officer pulls them over because they're, they're scared.

01:26:50.220 The parents are scared that the cops are going to do something to their kid, like pulling

01:26:53.420 it over under a light, you know, make sure somebody's there and get somebody on the phone

01:26:56.840 to listen to the whole thing.

01:26:58.060 Do it.

01:26:59.020 Um, you know, they'll sort of say white people don't generally have to go through that.

01:27:03.880 And that, so even those folks have this white privilege, whether they feel it or not.

01:27:09.460 Well, all I know is this, if the route to escaping poverty is an education, it is easier

01:27:16.320 for a black student with a given SAT score versus a white student with a given SAT score

01:27:21.440 to get into the college of his or her choice because of this desire for, for diversity.

01:27:25.760 So if anything, one can make an argument that a white person, a black person has a somewhat

01:27:31.340 easier path in terms of getting into a college or university, uh, than a, than a white person.

01:27:36.200 I was in college in the seventies.

01:27:38.140 As I mentioned, I had a roommate who was an engineering student.

01:27:40.780 He was black.

01:27:42.120 And this is computer engineering when very few people were majoring in this.

01:27:46.380 And he was recruited like he was a, like he was a college, a football player coming out

01:27:50.840 of, coming out of school for the NBA.

01:27:52.520 He got phone calls, he got letters, uh, he ended up working at TRW, his study mate, also

01:27:58.100 black, ended up working at Procter and Gamble.

01:28:00.380 Uh, and the Procter and Gamble guy has such a successful career.

01:28:03.400 He ended up, uh, donating money to university of Michigan and they have some sort of building

01:28:08.040 named after this guy.

01:28:09.260 They were recruited like, like high school prep stars coming out of school.

01:28:14.120 So if anything, a qualified black person versus a qualified white person coming out of school

01:28:20.660 probably has an easier time getting a job, uh, than the white person.

01:28:25.080 Well, what do you think though, about the fact that now they're getting rid of, um, well,

01:28:29.020 they're talking about like here at Dalton in, in New York city, they were talking and one

01:28:31.940 of the demands made by the 120 or 150 faculty members that signed this now infamous letter

01:28:37.240 with crazy ass demands on the school.

01:28:39.680 This is already a far left school, but one of the demands was, unless you can get parity

01:28:43.960 between the, the scores on, you know, the AP classes, the advanced class, unless you can get

01:28:49.060 parity between the black and the white students, those need to go away.

01:28:52.480 There can be no advanced classes for anybody at this school.

01:28:55.780 Meanwhile, everybody going to Dalton, I mean, for the most part has, has been given one of

01:28:59.740 the greatest academic privileges one can get, right?

01:29:02.220 Not everybody is there paying full price.

01:29:04.240 Not everybody's from a privileged family, but everybody there is getting one of the most

01:29:07.160 privileged educations in, in the country.

01:29:09.780 Um, so now they're getting rid of AP classes or want to, in some places they're getting

01:29:14.240 rid of, they're talking about getting rid of the SAT cause it's racist or the ACT racist.

01:29:19.360 Um, I don't know.

01:29:20.860 I, I haven't taken a close look to see if those exams, and I don't, I'm not sure I'd even

01:29:25.080 know whether they're racist, but what do you think of that?

01:29:28.160 Uh, I think getting rid of, uh, the standards, uh, is a recipe for disaster.

01:29:32.920 When I get on an airplane and I see a female, uh, captain or a black captain, I don't want

01:29:38.360 to know about diversity.

01:29:39.760 Uh, I want to make sure that he or she has aced the flight exam.

01:29:43.040 Uh, there are real or consequences to this.

01:29:45.620 Uh, when your, uh, loved one is being wheeled into an OR and you see a minority doctor, do

01:29:50.440 you want to know at the back of your head, did this guy escape through medical school because

01:29:54.320 he was black?

01:29:55.400 Uh, this is the damage we're doing to our, to our society by all of this nonsense.

01:29:59.520 Um, what about standards?

01:30:02.140 You know, JFK, uh, in 1962 was asked about affirmative action, although that was not the

01:30:06.800 term that was used.

01:30:08.420 And he says, no, we can't do that.

01:30:10.060 Our society is way too diverse.

01:30:12.540 Uh, we can't do anything about the past.

01:30:15.140 All we can do now is try to do the right thing going forward, but we can't undo what happened

01:30:19.180 in the past.

01:30:19.880 That's what he said.

01:30:21.140 And you can't undo what happened in the past.

01:30:23.200 And it really annoys me when I look at this reparation debate, because it essentially

01:30:27.240 is this, it is the extraction of money from people who were never slave owners to be given

01:30:32.380 to people who were never slaves.

01:30:34.120 What are we doing here?

01:30:35.940 And when does this end?

01:30:38.160 Slavery has been unfortunately part of human history from the very beginning.

01:30:42.140 Blacks enslaved blacks, Asians enslaved Asians, Caucasians enslaved Caucasians, Native Americans

01:30:47.100 enslaved Native Americans.

01:30:48.140 And one of the things I told my friend Paul when he changed his name to a Muslim name because

01:30:52.220 he wanted to renounce the slavery religion of Christianity, I told him that the Muslim

01:30:58.020 slave trade began centuries before the European slave trade and continued well after it.

01:31:03.320 He told me that I was a liar and that I was reading white historians.

01:31:06.860 I said, Henry Louis Cates of Harvard is white?

01:31:09.180 Right.

01:31:10.520 Oh, Paul.

01:31:12.160 Oh, Paul.

01:31:12.760 Well, I mean, we haven't even gotten into the racial resentment all of this is stoking.

01:31:17.500 I mean, that's one of the things that I'm really worried about.

01:31:19.360 Like that's, as you know, I pulled my my kids from their New York City schools because of

01:31:24.400 the incredible racial resentment that they're stoking.

01:31:26.780 They were they were telling my little six year old that his teachers, they were telling

01:31:31.300 that in every in every classroom where white children learns, there's a future killer cop

01:31:35.880 that we need studies on what's wrong with white kids, studies on white mothers who indoctrinate

01:31:40.260 their kids, their children in black death, who raised depraved children who think they

01:31:45.000 can kill black people with impunity.

01:31:46.260 I mean, this is like, again, at one of the most privileged, greatest schools in America.

01:31:49.660 This is the messaging to the children.

01:31:51.100 And it's stoking racial resentment.

01:31:53.520 And I worry that we're going to wind up with, let's say, in five years is more segregation,

01:31:59.440 not less, less unity, not more.

01:32:02.760 And I don't want to say full on race wars, but I don't think this is going to have the

01:32:07.760 desired effect on the white people or the black people that that whoever these wokesters

01:32:12.420 are pushing this nonsense wanted to.

01:32:14.880 This is not going to end well.

01:32:17.040 You're absolutely right.

01:32:18.240 You know, a lot of white people are being taught to feel guilty about being white.

01:32:21.600 A lot of black people are being taught that we have a right to push around, be mean to

01:32:25.960 black, to white people, because after all, they deserve it.

01:32:29.000 And in my opinion, I'm amazed a lot of white people are putting up with this.

01:32:33.300 You look at homicides, black, white homicides.

01:32:36.200 Most homicides are same race homicides.

01:32:38.060 It's rare for there to be a black, white or white, black homicide.

01:32:40.720 But every year, there are about 750 such homicides.

01:32:44.700 500 white people are killed by blacks.

01:32:47.500 250 black people are killed by whites, even though whites are a much larger population.

01:32:52.920 When it comes to interracial crimes, non-homicide, violent felonies, by that I mean attempted homicide,

01:32:59.840 manslaughter, rape, assault, aggravated assault, assault with a weapon between blacks and whites

01:33:06.120 every year, there are roughly 600,000 such crimes.

01:33:09.320 Eighty-five percent of them involve a black perp and a white victim, only 15 percent the

01:33:14.940 other way around.

01:33:15.880 Now, if I'm white and I'm told that I'm responsible for everything, responsible for all the bad

01:33:22.180 things that happen to black people, and I don't feel that way, and I'm taught I should

01:33:25.300 feel guilty, and I look at these stats and how black people are always calling me racist

01:33:30.060 when I'm not, at some point, that might very well piss me off to the point where I change

01:33:34.900 my attitude about black people, and change my attitude about whether or not I want to

01:33:39.000 be racist.

01:33:40.000 This is what's going on here.

01:33:41.200 When you falsely accuse somebody of being racist, maybe, just maybe, they're going to

01:33:44.940 become racist.

01:33:46.300 That's scary.

01:33:47.360 I mean, that's what's scary to me.

01:33:48.520 There was a story here in New York, it was either last year or the year before, one of

01:33:54.380 these private schools, which I'll do them the courtesy of letting them stay nameless for

01:33:58.700 this discussion, there was a girl, 15 years old, who, with two of her friends, was discussing

01:34:05.180 what they were going to be for Halloween, and this 15-year-old girl, in an attempt to

01:34:10.060 be funny, I guess, said something like, well, I can tell you what we're not going to be.

01:34:13.460 We're not going to be a slave owner and slaves.

01:34:16.060 We're not going to be this.

01:34:16.980 We're not going to be that.

01:34:17.860 She was white.

01:34:18.680 One of the friends was black, and I think the other friend was white, and the girls took

01:34:23.820 her, she had sent them on like a private message.

01:34:25.980 They came to her and said, we're offended.

01:34:30.000 It was racist.

01:34:30.780 The girl said, oh my God, I'm so mortified.

01:34:32.440 I didn't mean to be.

01:34:33.460 I apologize.

01:34:34.800 I'll delete it.

01:34:36.860 They took it public and made a public complaint about her in the school.

01:34:41.040 The school gets involved.

01:34:42.660 The school makes the girl publicly apologize to everyone, like an assembly, the entire

01:34:47.740 school.

01:34:48.100 She's got to own her racism, which she does.

01:34:51.400 Then they tell her she's got to do it again.

01:34:54.560 Her first apology wasn't good enough.

01:34:56.880 She has to racialize her apology.

01:34:59.480 She has to say, I, as a white girl, could never understand what it was like for one of

01:35:04.340 these girls who is black and the rest of the black community to have heard these kinds

01:35:07.740 of words from me, and therefore, I deeply apologize again, right?

01:35:10.860 And there may have been a third attempt at round two, all without her parents understanding

01:35:14.700 what was going on or being involved.

01:35:16.680 Finally, the parents get wind of this.

01:35:19.140 They're like, what the hell are you doing?

01:35:20.660 She's 15.

01:35:21.700 This is not a mature individual.

01:35:23.000 She's a kid, like, stop.

01:35:25.760 She committed a sin.

01:35:27.960 She tried to fix it.

01:35:28.900 She owned it.

01:35:30.120 Let's move on.

01:35:31.520 And they wound up hiring an investigator to take a look at the situation because they

01:35:37.240 thought something was up.

01:35:38.780 Turns out the girls who were going after her, Larry, were bullies themselves and had the

01:35:45.840 most racist stuff posted on their Facebooks and their Instagrams.

01:35:49.580 I mean, like, objectively racist stuff.

01:35:52.900 And they were part of this group that targeted certain girls.

01:35:59.340 And she was their bully victim.

01:36:03.120 The whole thing was an attempt to bully her.

01:36:05.800 And the school hadn't looked into any of that before they ruined this girl's life.

01:36:09.700 And all I could think, and she wound up leaving the school, filing a lawsuit.

01:36:13.300 And all I could think was, in what world did the school think any of that was going to

01:36:19.360 help Black-white relations?

01:36:22.600 Unfortunately, Megan, we've seen this happen over and over again.

01:36:25.420 It just happened at Smith College where that student who was in the wrong place was accused

01:36:30.180 of the staffer who asked her to leave of racism.

01:36:32.800 They did a whole apology to the Black student.

01:36:35.840 The president of the university apologized.

01:36:37.680 And then they look into the facts.

01:36:39.240 Turned out the whole thing was bogus.

01:36:41.360 The Black student flat out lied.

01:36:44.220 We've seen it with Josie Smollett.

01:36:45.680 We've seen it.

01:36:46.500 There's a book written by a guy named Riley.

01:36:48.340 He writes, he works at a historically Black college in Kentucky.

01:36:51.780 He's documented over 400 fake hate crimes in the last several years.

01:36:56.260 Not just Josie Smollett, but many, many others.

01:36:58.680 But how are we supposed to wrestle with that?

01:37:00.880 Because we know there is racism in the country and there are actual racist incidents.

01:37:05.560 And that's why the Josie Smollett thing was so incredibly damaging, right?

01:37:10.140 Because it's like he did so much damage to actual victims of racism and yet was given

01:37:14.680 a total pass, right?

01:37:16.220 Given a total pass by most on the left.

01:37:18.820 And these things should be investigated on a case-by-case basis.

01:37:22.560 Obviously, there's racism in America.

01:37:24.380 I mean, hell, 2002, there was a Fox Opinion poll.

01:37:27.560 So get this, Megan, 8% of Americans believe Elvis is still alive or that there is a strong

01:37:33.000 possibility that he is.

01:37:34.660 8%.

01:37:35.020 So you've got to write off 8% of Americans right off the top.

01:37:38.900 What are you saying?

01:37:39.480 How do you know?

01:37:40.200 He could be.

01:37:40.860 You never know.

01:37:42.200 He could be doing road construction in Kalamazoo, for all we know.

01:37:45.500 But the point is, Nirvana is not an option.

01:37:49.200 Are you going to pick up the newspaper and read about something that happened to a Black person

01:37:53.780 or to a Hispanic or to a whatever that's racist?

01:37:57.000 Of course.

01:37:58.360 But day-to-day, 1997, Time Magazine and CNN did this massive survey of Black and white

01:38:07.580 high school students.

01:38:09.220 Is racism a major problem in America?

01:38:11.140 Both of them said yes.

01:38:12.400 But then the Black students were asked the following questions.

01:38:15.600 Again, 1997, 23 years ago, 24 years ago.

01:38:18.460 Do you believe racism is a major problem, a minor problem, or no problem in your own daily

01:38:26.620 life?

01:38:27.260 89% of these high school Black kids said racism was a small problem or no problem in my own

01:38:35.080 daily life.

01:38:35.760 In fact, twice as many Black students said failure to take advantage of available opportunities

01:38:41.480 is a bigger problem than racism.

01:38:44.200 Twice as many Black students said yes to that proposition than white students.

01:38:49.260 Again, this is 1997, almost, what, 20, 23, 21, 24 years ago.

01:38:56.820 You know, this is like, this is one of the things Coleman Hughes has been pointing out,

01:39:00.480 which is, look at the studies when you ask Black communities how they feel about defunding

01:39:05.000 the police and decreasing the police in their neighborhood.

01:39:07.900 They're not for it.

01:39:08.980 The overwhelming majority either want more police or they want the police presence to stay

01:39:12.960 the same.

01:39:13.580 And yet you've got these white liberals marching up with a banner BLM saying, defund the police,

01:39:19.540 right?

01:39:20.020 And that, and that, just to be clear, BLM, the organization does, they do favor defunding

01:39:24.440 the police.

01:39:24.920 They want to, they want to open up the jails.

01:39:26.720 They want to defund the justice system.

01:39:28.400 I mean, the agenda is truly radical.

01:39:30.920 But it's not, if you look at the actual surveys where people go to actual Black people and not

01:39:35.780 just people wearing a BLM t-shirt, they're not in favor of this stuff.

01:39:40.160 No, no, they're not.

01:39:40.900 And those polls have been pretty consistent over the years because guess what?

01:39:44.700 Black people living in the inner city are disproportionately hurt by crime.

01:39:48.180 Tupac Secure said that.

01:39:49.460 He said, we need the police more than anybody else.

01:39:51.440 What makes you think we want to live with drug dealers and rapists?

01:39:54.780 We don't.

01:39:55.260 There's a, you know, sort of a, a risk in talking about BLM.

01:40:00.280 I mean, I've gotten to the point now where, cause I'm just sort of unleashed and I don't

01:40:03.600 have to worry about getting canceled where I, I will say my honest opinion, which I think

01:40:06.820 it's a force for evil.

01:40:08.440 I'm, I'm in favor of black lives.

01:40:10.520 Yes, I believe they matter, but not that organization.

01:40:12.720 I think it's very damaging.

01:40:13.860 And I think it's undermining the very cause it purports to be advancing.

01:40:19.180 But what do you like, what should people know about that group and how to talk about it?

01:40:24.580 They're just pounding on the table, pounding on the table.

01:40:27.420 And look, I'm in LA during the OJ Simpson case, when OJ Simpson was allegedly framed by

01:40:34.640 the racist LAPD.

01:40:35.900 Guess what?

01:40:36.640 The LAPD chief was black.

01:40:39.160 His name was Willie Williams, the first black police chief we had.

01:40:41.420 He did an extensive survey study investigation during the trial to find out whether any cop

01:40:47.280 did anything wrong in the case.

01:40:49.480 And he found out nobody did anything wrong.

01:40:52.720 Report came out.

01:40:54.520 It didn't matter.

01:40:55.520 The people protesting that OJ Simpson was a innocent man framed by the racist LAPD didn't

01:41:00.520 care that this black police chief just issued a report saying it wasn't true.

01:41:05.420 LA had back to back black police chiefs after him, another black police chief came.

01:41:10.180 LA now mirrors the demographics of the city.

01:41:14.500 The department does.

01:41:15.280 The city is about 40% Hispanic, as is the department, 30% white, around 10% black, around 9% Asian.

01:41:21.960 It mirrors the LAPD exactly.

01:41:24.640 Yet when something goes down and it's a black suspect, it doesn't seem to matter.

01:41:29.620 The same Yahoo has come out yelling and screaming.

01:41:31.280 We have a DA who has loosened all sorts of criminal justice laws, allowed people, in my opinion,

01:41:40.760 to come on the streets who shouldn't come on.

01:41:42.300 This guy defeated a black female DEA, the first black female DEA we ever had.

01:41:48.520 And still people are in the streets talking about how racist the criminal justice system

01:41:52.600 is.

01:41:53.020 It just drives you nuts.

01:41:54.880 I mean, do you, what do you think?

01:41:56.900 Is that organization a force for good?

01:41:59.640 You're talking about Black Lives Matter?

01:42:00.900 Hell no, it's not.

01:42:01.700 It's a force for bad.

01:42:04.060 It lies about the police.

01:42:05.660 It lies about the stats.

01:42:06.880 I've told you, if anything, the police are more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger

01:42:10.340 on a black suspect than on a white suspect.

01:42:12.500 Even Mark Lamont Hill, the left-wing professor from Temple, has conceded in an interview with

01:42:18.700 Candace Owens, who went over the same data I just went over, even he conceded that the

01:42:23.380 evidence does not show the police are killing blacks just because they're black.

01:42:27.040 So he fell back with the position, they're using more force against black people than

01:42:31.480 against white people.

01:42:32.860 Well, the reason they're doing that probably is because they don't want to get to the point

01:42:36.540 where they have to use deadly force.

01:42:38.380 And the study I mentioned about the black Harvard psychologist, Harvard economist, who

01:42:42.940 found the police were more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger, he did find the

01:42:46.440 police were more likely to use less than deadly force on a black suspect.

01:42:50.620 He said 10% to 18% more.

01:42:52.900 That is not a whole lot more.

01:42:55.380 And if the reason they're using the force is to not get to DEFCON 1, then that explains

01:42:59.920 it.

01:43:00.780 Didn't they, just to push back on that though, Larry, didn't they find, wasn't that based

01:43:03.840 on a study that was then retracted?

01:43:06.000 It was later retracted by a guy at the University of Maryland saying, it's not necessarily the

01:43:10.500 case that white people are more likely to get killed by a cop than a black person is.

01:43:14.680 You will be entertained by Heather McDonald's take on his retraction of his study.

01:43:19.800 He didn't retract any of his findings.

01:43:23.240 He did not like the way people like Heather McDonald and Larry Elder were using the findings

01:43:27.560 to advance a position that he does not support, which is that racism is not a major problem

01:43:33.140 in society.

01:43:34.060 But he didn't take back any of his findings.

01:43:36.000 By the way, that was just one study.

01:43:37.940 The Harvard economist has not taken back his study.

01:43:40.420 And there have been many studies.

01:43:41.740 That's why I mentioned the April 27, 2016 article in the Washington Post that looked at

01:43:46.960 decades of research showing cops more hesitant to pull the trigger on a black suspect than

01:43:51.600 a white suspect.

01:43:52.340 So it's not just one study everybody's hanging his or her hat on.

01:43:55.260 It's many studies.

01:43:57.020 But what about short of, short of killings?

01:44:00.460 You know, that's where I read a report in the Washington Post.

01:44:03.560 It was back over the summer.

01:44:04.460 That was really, it was pretty persuasive.

01:44:05.940 And even Coleman, who I trust on these issues, because he'll, he'll be pretty brutally honest

01:44:10.620 on these, on these, on the data and so on.

01:44:13.020 He has said, roughing up black suspects, that's, that's a bigger problem.

01:44:18.740 Now, now we should talk, right?

01:44:20.300 Like, are the cops more likely to rough up black, black subjects, more likely to pull

01:44:24.140 over black subjects?

01:44:25.160 There was that one study showing black subjects were more likely to get pulled over in their

01:44:29.420 car.

01:44:29.840 But, but it evened out at night when the cops couldn't see skin color.

01:44:33.180 Like, these are the anecdotals and anecdotally you will hear from, especially black men, that

01:44:39.000 they get pulled over all the time.

01:44:40.240 I mean, I'll tell you just, just, this is anecdotal again.

01:44:42.300 And I know it's tough to argue with anecdotal, but we have a very good friend who is black

01:44:46.620 and very successful.

01:44:48.720 And he's gotten pulled over more times than I can count here in New York city.

01:44:52.160 Me, not once.

01:44:53.200 Doug, not once.

01:44:54.080 We took him out.

01:44:54.820 We have a boat.

01:44:56.160 Doug drove the boat the entire way from New Jersey back to New York city.

01:44:59.580 He let our friend who is black take over the wheel for, I'm telling you, it was like 10

01:45:04.000 minutes.

01:45:04.680 They got pulled over on the water.

01:45:07.320 So this is what people are referring to when they say like, you can give me all the data

01:45:11.740 you want.

01:45:12.620 I know what I know about the cops and how I've lived.

01:45:17.060 Well, uh, I can give you data.

01:45:19.400 I can give you anecdotal stories.

01:45:21.080 Let me do the data first.

01:45:22.060 Uh, Obama, uh, 2013, uh, his national institutes of justice, which is the research arm of the

01:45:29.240 DOJ did a study on race and traffic stops.

01:45:31.940 And it turns out, it is true that black motors were more likely to be pulled over than the

01:45:35.580 white motors.

01:45:36.240 It's also true that a black motors was more likely to violate the law than a white motorist.

01:45:42.320 Black motors, more likely to speed, more likely to drive, uh, with a, uh, expired tag, less

01:45:48.980 likely to have a seatbelt on, less likely to have the car seat in the back.

01:45:52.440 Uh, you name the offense, a black motors more likely to commit it.

01:45:55.960 And the study concluded that the reason blacks were pulled over was because of legitimate

01:46:01.700 factors, end of quote.

01:46:03.960 Also, there was a study on the New Jersey, uh, turnpike years ago, a lot of black motors

01:46:08.340 were pulled over and they were complaining that they were pulled over because they were

01:46:10.840 black.

01:46:11.420 Christy Todd Whitman ordered a study.

01:46:13.420 It came back that the average black driver was more likely to drive fast.

01:46:18.800 Then the average white driver and the faster the speed, the more likely it was to be a

01:46:22.400 black driver.

01:46:23.240 And at night, you couldn't even tell, uh, the race of the driver, uh, during the daytime

01:46:27.700 because of the reflection, you couldn't even tell, uh, and the officers were completely

01:46:31.580 exonerated.

01:46:32.480 Christy Todd Whitman did not like the study.

01:46:34.220 She complained about the methodology.

01:46:36.120 She ordered another study, different methodology, same result.

01:46:39.500 It's just not true.

01:46:41.520 Now, those are the facts.

01:46:42.660 Anecdotally, let me tell you my story.

01:46:44.260 I'm six foot tall now, but when I first started driving, I was much, much shorter.

01:46:49.520 I had a growth spurt, thank God.

01:46:51.580 And when I drove, you could barely see my eyebrows.

01:46:55.320 So I got pulled over when I was 16.

01:46:58.280 16 was the first time I could drive, uh, my learner's permit.

01:47:01.860 I could drive without having somebody in the car with me.

01:47:04.040 I must've been pulled over from the time I was 16 to maybe I was 17 and a half, maybe

01:47:08.460 18, I would say 150 times.

01:47:11.940 And every single time the cop told me I looked too young.

01:47:16.400 The first time I got pulled over, uh, there were red lights behind me.

01:47:20.720 I knew I hadn't done anything wrong.

01:47:22.460 So I kept driving.

01:47:23.400 I went through two lights, car pulls over, pull over.

01:47:27.400 So I pulled over.

01:47:28.640 The cop said, why didn't you pull over?

01:47:31.260 And I said, well, I didn't realize it was for me.

01:47:34.020 He said, take your head out of your ass.

01:47:36.200 Next time you see some light, you pull over.

01:47:38.680 That was the roughest that I was talked to by the 150 cops who pulled me over.

01:47:43.720 So that's my story.

01:47:46.440 You know, it's funny.

01:47:47.220 I have a friend, um, where we go in New Jersey and he was telling me he's black and he's a

01:47:52.100 young guy.

01:47:52.600 He's, I think he's only like young twenties now.

01:47:55.420 And, um, he was talking about how he got pulled over.

01:47:58.020 It was total bullshit.

01:47:58.900 He didn't, he hadn't done anything wrong.

01:48:00.520 It was like, you're, they, they accused him of going too slow, right.

01:48:03.540 In the, in the, one of the lanes, which is pretextual, it seems for something.

01:48:07.120 Um, but one never knows maybe there, maybe there's a raise and, um, the number of, uh,

01:48:12.260 drunk drivers that night.

01:48:13.240 You never know.

01:48:13.760 So he gets pulled over and, um, he was saying how he could have chosen to sort of get belligerent

01:48:19.560 and be pissed off and sort of make assumptions.

01:48:21.980 And instead he killed them with kindness.

01:48:25.380 You know, he was super nice to the cops.

01:48:27.920 They immediately like, forgive the term became disarmed, right.

01:48:33.500 Not, not literally, but you know, emotionally.

01:48:36.840 And they let him go with it with just like a warning.

01:48:39.700 Like he, watch your speed, you know, going slowly is dangerous too, whatever it was.

01:48:43.640 And he, it turned into like a very positive experience for him, but it does.

01:48:47.280 The point it gets to is, and this isn't, this can't always control it, but, but an attitude

01:48:51.400 can be really important, white or black, white or black.

01:48:54.920 And that's one of the reasons why the media is so dangerous right now.

01:48:58.420 Well, of course the attitude is important.

01:49:00.100 Cops are human beings.

01:49:01.500 I, um, uh, went on a ride along with a buddy of mine named Derek.

01:49:05.740 Derek is white.

01:49:06.720 And we went on a ride along Santa Monica police department.

01:49:09.160 And he pulls over a car that drives through a red light.

01:49:14.940 The car ends up going to a gas station.

01:49:16.800 We follow the car.

01:49:17.860 Uh, it's night.

01:49:18.880 We get out.

01:49:19.760 I get out.

01:49:20.600 I'm told to stand over here.

01:49:21.980 And by the way, the two people in the car got out and they saw me and they, when Derek

01:49:27.400 approached them, you know what they said, you pull me over because I'm black.

01:49:31.800 Now I'm standing right there.

01:49:33.240 They saw me and they still said it.

01:49:35.300 And, um, this is that night.

01:49:38.540 We couldn't even tell the race that their race until we pulled them over.

01:49:41.840 Uh, and this is the kind of nonsense that a lot of black motorists say, if you're polite

01:49:47.020 with people, my father always told me whenever you're stopped by a cop, say yes, sir.

01:49:51.260 Say no, sir.

01:49:52.220 If you're driving, make sure your left hand is at 10 o'clock.

01:49:54.640 Make sure your right hand is at two o'clock.

01:49:56.340 Make sure your paperwork is in order.

01:49:57.780 And if you feel you've been mistreated, you get a badge number and deal with it while you're

01:50:01.920 still alive.

01:50:02.820 That's the thing is it's like what we need to focus in, like what, one of the things that

01:50:08.140 would be very helpful, I think, in dealing with this whole police situation is number

01:50:11.940 one, training cops and deescalation and number two, training, reiterating to all, all people,

01:50:18.620 white, black, old, young, um, compliance, just in the moment compliance, given what cops

01:50:24.580 do for a living and the number of times they, they face a physical threat and, you know,

01:50:28.900 understanding they don't know what they're going into just compliance there.

01:50:31.880 That's what the legal system is for.

01:50:33.280 You can absolutely complain about a cop after the fact and, and take it up with his superiors.

01:50:37.520 And certainly in this age of body cameras, you, if you really have something, they'll

01:50:41.540 get it certainly this day and age, they will, but like resistance is futile and not just

01:50:46.080 futile, really potentially dangerous.

01:50:49.200 Uh, after the OJ Simpson case, uh, Chris Darden, who was the prosecutor, in my opinion,

01:50:53.540 and he did this in order to, uh, uh, curry favor with the community, uh, he joined with

01:50:59.080 the ACLU to demand that whenever the LAPD pulls somebody over, they have to write down

01:51:03.880 the race of the person they pull over.

01:51:05.780 Uh, they had never done that before.

01:51:07.580 Cops resisted.

01:51:08.360 And I said on the air, okay, after this happens, you're going to have all this data and it's

01:51:13.820 not going to tell you anything because it does not tell you why the cop pulled the person

01:51:19.140 over and whether or not, uh, there was a legitimate reason to have done.

01:51:22.840 So all it does is tell you that X number of black people were pulled over.

01:51:25.660 And I said, when the data is gathered and you guys try and make some case out of it,

01:51:29.320 you're not going to be able to do it because once you interview the cop and he gives you

01:51:32.160 the reason why, why he pulled the suspect over, it'll be perfectly fine.

01:51:35.960 That's exactly what happened.

01:51:37.460 We have, we now have almost 20 years of data of cops being pulled over and the race of the

01:51:42.680 driver, uh, written down where are the class action lawsuits alleging disproportionate,

01:51:47.340 unfair, illegal stops?

01:51:48.940 Where is it?

01:51:49.920 We got all these civil rights lawyers running around.

01:51:52.140 Where are the class action lawsuits now that you have all this data?

01:51:54.600 And the answer is the data do not tell you that the police are engaging in discrimination

01:51:59.480 because just pulling over a certain number of black people doesn't tell you anything unless

01:52:03.180 you know why they were pulled over and what they were doing to cause them to be pulled

01:52:06.660 over in the first place.

01:52:08.380 Larry, who are your mentors?

01:52:11.260 You know, we started off by me mentioning Candace Owens says you're her mentor.

01:52:14.620 Like when you ask her, how did, who changed your thinking?

01:52:17.420 She talks about your, um, it's so amazing.

01:52:20.740 Your exchange with Dave Rubin and I love Dave and he loves this exchange too.

01:52:24.600 Even though he got embarrassed in it, but she'll talk about how she saw you eviscerate poor

01:52:30.400 Dave when it comes to systemic racism and, um, then started thinking differently and that

01:52:36.620 you've become a real mentor to her.

01:52:37.860 But so who would you say are your big thinkers in your life that you've learned from?

01:52:43.060 My, my mother, my father, clearly, uh, Tom soul became a good friend.

01:52:47.800 Walter Williams became a good friend, a man you don't know.

01:52:50.020 His name is Alan Schoenberg.

01:52:52.300 He was the founder of something called management recruiters.

01:52:54.600 That's the largest executive search firm in the world.

01:52:57.700 I had one little executive search firm that I ran after I stopped practicing law and he

01:53:02.600 had 700 multi multi-millionaire.

01:53:06.260 And he would have lunch with me whenever I wanted to.

01:53:08.220 And he would talk to me about life and about working hard and about staying focused.

01:53:13.040 And he clearly was a major mentor.

01:53:15.200 Can I, can I do a little bragging for a second though?

01:53:17.660 Yeah.

01:53:18.400 You know, coaches talk about having a coaching tree that an assistant coach will get this

01:53:22.640 job over here.

01:53:23.800 Uh, the coach of the Patriots has a coaching tree, Bill Belichick about all these people

01:53:28.760 that he's mentored.

01:53:30.120 Uh, Duke.

01:53:32.280 Right.

01:53:32.820 I've been in this business now 30 some odd years and I have a, a, a, a commentary tree,

01:53:37.580 if you will.

01:53:38.380 Stephen Miller, one of, uh, Donald Trump's top aides.

01:53:41.520 I first put him on my radio show when he was a teenager at Santa Monica high.

01:53:45.180 He was on my radio show 69 times.

01:53:47.860 The reason I know that is he counted them over the years.

01:53:50.760 Uh, uh, Alex Marlowe is the executive editor of Breitbart.

01:53:55.080 Uh, Alex Marlowe, I gave him his first job as an intern for me.

01:53:58.500 He helped me write my second book.

01:53:59.720 And Michelle Malkin was a reporter with the daily, daily, uh, LA daily news out here

01:54:05.100 in, in, uh, in the Valley.

01:54:06.600 And I was the first one to put her on radio.

01:54:09.160 Ben Shapiro has publicly credited me with getting him into this business.

01:54:12.380 Andrew Bart, Bart, Breitbart credited me publicly with getting him into this business.

01:54:16.540 Uh, Candace Owens, you know, and I'm going to take some credit for Leo Terrell.

01:54:20.120 I've been beating on his brain for almost 20 years.

01:54:22.600 Now he's come around.

01:54:23.920 He won't give me credit, but I'm taking credit for it anyway.

01:54:26.460 Oh, I have, I have a commentary tree.

01:54:29.000 My coaches have a coaching tree.

01:54:30.800 I like that.

01:54:31.940 You know what?

01:54:32.440 That's your legacy.

01:54:33.180 And, and we need more and more and more because otherwise, you know, especially given the din

01:54:38.060 that we're in the midst of right now, that message is going to get drowned out.

01:54:41.180 There was a, there's a line in your movie, uh, with somebody saying, as they sort of discovered

01:54:45.780 people like you, like Candace and others, and, and listened to your stories about black

01:54:51.280 history in America.

01:54:52.400 The quote was, it's like having a very successful family that you never knew you had.

01:54:56.460 Right.

01:54:57.280 That was a great line.

01:54:58.880 And that's important.

01:55:00.660 I first saw Thomas Sowell when I was like 13, 14 years old.

01:55:04.540 He was on Firing Line, that show that, um, William F. Buckley hosted for some 35 years.

01:55:09.780 And I didn't agree with him because at the time, just like you, I supported affirmative

01:55:13.380 action.

01:55:13.880 He came out and trashed it and talked about what was wrong with it.

01:55:16.440 And it started me thinking, well, fast forward.

01:55:19.420 Uh, I was asked by C-SPAN.

01:55:21.420 Uh, they wanted to cover him, carry my show live.

01:55:24.340 The time I had a four hour radio show after this four hour show, two days later, I get

01:55:29.320 a letter.

01:55:30.280 My wife and I watched your entire four hour show.

01:55:33.560 You are amazing.

01:55:34.740 You had facts.

01:55:36.540 You did them with humor and you did them with grace and style.

01:55:40.060 I am a fan.

01:55:41.480 Sign Thomas Sowell.

01:55:42.880 Are you kidding me?

01:55:44.580 Are you kidding me?

01:55:46.920 I would rather have a letter from him than from Elvis.

01:55:50.700 And so I wrote back.

01:55:52.600 So I wrote back.

01:55:53.240 We became friends.

01:55:54.120 And from that point on, uh, we have, uh, interacted and I went to his 80th birthday party up in

01:55:58.880 the Bay area.

01:55:59.740 He's an amazing man and a mentor.

01:56:02.380 And one time he told me if he could do it all over again, he would have been a photographer.

01:56:07.120 He is a marvelous photographer.

01:56:08.780 He's got a website full of his, of his pictures.

01:56:11.540 And I said, Thomas, I love photography.

01:56:15.000 You are a great photographer, but honestly, we have lots of good photographers.

01:56:20.260 There's only one Thomas Sowell.

01:56:21.600 I'm happy you made the choice that you made.

01:56:24.560 That's right.

01:56:25.260 And you know, it's the fact that not every child in America knows his name is a travesty

01:56:29.560 and a testament to the problems in American education that we've been discussing.

01:56:33.100 It's just, it is disgusting.

01:56:34.460 It's up to us as parents to find those teachers and make sure our children read them.

01:56:39.240 I like, I, I want my kids to watch Uncle Tom.

01:56:41.700 I want my children to watch that and to have some framework other than the one being shoved

01:56:47.320 on them.

01:56:48.260 Let me just ask you.

01:56:49.240 So I don't know anything about you personally.

01:56:51.040 I mean, I've had you on my show for years.

01:56:52.380 I've seen you on TV for years, but can you just tell, what is your life like?

01:56:56.460 You live in LA.

01:56:57.280 Are you married?

01:56:57.800 Do you have kids?

01:56:58.380 Like, what do you do for fun?

01:56:59.900 I live in LA.

01:57:01.160 My girlfriend is to the left of me.

01:57:02.500 We've been together for about 15 years.

01:57:03.980 She's enjoying the interview.

01:57:05.460 I was married a long time ago, briefly.

01:57:08.700 And my wife and I got divorced because I didn't want to have kids at the time.

01:57:12.980 And she did.

01:57:13.960 And I never did want to have kids.

01:57:16.600 And she did.

01:57:17.840 We agreed that she would not have kids.

01:57:19.580 My mom said, Larry, after you're married and assuming it goes well, she's going to

01:57:24.500 want to have kids.

01:57:25.120 I said, no, no, she's not.

01:57:25.880 We talked about it.

01:57:26.860 So two years into the marriage, everything is going well.

01:57:28.940 We're having dinner.

01:57:29.620 And she says, I want to talk to you.

01:57:31.080 And I said, sure.

01:57:32.440 And she said, no, I really want to talk to you.

01:57:33.700 I said, sure.

01:57:34.400 She had an expression I'd never seen before.

01:57:36.440 I laid down the knife and fork.

01:57:37.640 I thought she was going to say, I have cancer.

01:57:39.000 My dad died, something.

01:57:40.200 She says, I want to have kids.

01:57:42.700 I said, Cindy, you talked about this.

01:57:44.420 She said, I know.

01:57:45.420 But you love me.

01:57:46.240 I love you.

01:57:46.800 Everything is going well.

01:57:47.840 So I'm sure you want me to be a mom.

01:57:50.540 And I said, Cindy, I don't.

01:57:53.460 And we ended up getting divorced.

01:57:54.560 Now, I would make a different call now.

01:57:56.340 But back then, that's how I felt.

01:57:58.020 So she ended up divorcing me.

01:58:00.720 She remarried, has two kids.

01:58:02.300 She's divorced again.

01:58:03.460 And we're still in touch.

01:58:05.160 But I would have made a different call.

01:58:07.300 But no, I'm single.

01:58:09.140 I have two brothers, both of whom are dead.

01:58:11.120 My older brother died September 13, 2019, two weeks before his 70th birthday.

01:58:17.780 He had a heart attack sitting at his computer.

01:58:19.740 My little brother died about 30 years ago.

01:58:21.600 He was diabetic.

01:58:22.640 My mom and my dad died several years ago.

01:58:25.160 So now I am an orphan.

01:58:26.720 And it really feels bizarre.

01:58:29.680 Christmas, last Christmas, the first Christmas, I had no close relatives because, as I mentioned,

01:58:33.440 my brother had died.

01:58:34.300 And I've got to tell you, it just really feels, it's hard to describe.

01:58:40.720 It's just a strange, odd, bizarre feeling to be an orphan, even at my age.

01:58:44.300 And I'm 68 years old.

01:58:45.400 I'll be 69 in April.

01:58:48.300 Wow.

01:58:48.980 But you must have a life rich with friends.

01:58:51.360 You're such a good talker.

01:58:53.020 You've got the Herman Cain thing, too, of like a brightness to you.

01:58:56.620 You do.

01:58:57.400 You must have a life rich with friends.

01:58:59.480 I have a handful of friends, at least two very close ones, Megan.

01:59:03.320 And I'm sure you can relate to this.

01:59:04.440 I've lost because of Donald Trump.

01:59:06.120 I have a friend I've known since 1977.

01:59:09.240 My brother and I, the one who died, he and I were very close.

01:59:12.860 But my friend Will, my white friend, I chose him to be best man at my wedding.

01:59:17.860 That's how close we were.

01:59:19.260 We cannot talk now because of Obama.

01:59:21.620 He's convinced he has a son with special needs.

01:59:24.240 He's convinced that, I said Obama, I meant Trump.

01:59:27.300 He's convinced that Trump mocked a handicapped reporter.

01:59:30.440 And I sent him a long letter and I sent him a link to a website called Catholics for the

01:59:35.340 number four Trump that shows the gesture that Trump uses was not designed to mock that reporter.

01:59:40.540 It's a gesture that Trump used to mock the reporters in Trump's opinion, cowardice for

01:59:46.100 backing away from a story that Trump had pointed to.

01:59:48.840 Recall that Trump, when he first became president, said that there were Muslims that were cheering

01:59:52.720 the fall of the Twin Towers.

01:59:54.480 And reporters said, where?

01:59:56.000 There's no evidence.

01:59:56.700 No evidence.

01:59:57.160 So the White House scrambled around and found this article that this reporter had written

02:00:00.980 where he described Muslims celebrating the fall of the Walls.

02:00:04.120 So Trump points to that article.

02:00:06.480 People ask the reporter.

02:00:07.480 The reporter then goes, well, I'm not sure there was that many.

02:00:10.140 I'm not sure I saw them.

02:00:11.540 And then that's when Donald Trump did that gesture.

02:00:14.360 So I wrote my friend and I said, Donald Trump was not mocking the reporter's disability.

02:00:19.900 And by the way, the reporter does not shake like that.

02:00:21.940 He has an atrophied arm, but he doesn't shake like that.

02:00:25.920 And Donald Trump has used that same mocking gesture to mock himself, to mock able-bodied

02:00:30.580 people, to mock an able-bodied general.

02:00:32.620 So I sent my friend a long letter and this website, and it didn't matter.

02:00:37.720 And what I found out, Megan, is that my friend did not want to un-hate Trump.

02:00:41.840 He hated him.

02:00:42.800 He was comfortable in that space and did not want to get out of it.

02:00:45.640 And that's where a lot of people are in this country.

02:00:47.700 They don't want to hear anything any different.

02:00:49.680 They think Donald Trump is a fascist and a racist, and they don't want to hear anything.

02:00:53.160 But 83% of Democrats, according to a respected poll, believe that Donald Trump is a racist.

02:00:59.860 By the way, 61% of Democrats believe all Republicans are racist, slash, sexist, slash, bigoted.

02:01:06.800 61%!

02:01:08.360 Right.

02:01:08.780 I mean, honestly, you think half of the country, you think half, 61% of your fellow Americans

02:01:14.300 are racist and would vote for somebody who's racist?

02:01:18.140 That's what you think?

02:01:19.920 Wow.

02:01:20.200 It must be hard to leave the house.

02:01:22.020 You know, I've experienced it in a similar but slightly different way in that people on

02:01:27.800 the left will, maybe they'll start off assuming that I hate Trump because he came after me,

02:01:32.620 you know, after that debate question for quite some time.

02:01:35.220 And then they felt betrayed when they saw me sort of get back on the reporting horse after

02:01:39.280 I had my year and a half off after NBC and heard somebody who didn't hate Trump.

02:01:44.320 They're like, I don't understand.

02:01:45.360 How could you not hate him?

02:01:46.320 He attacked you all these times.

02:01:47.360 Like, this is such bullshit.

02:01:48.260 Why don't you hate him?

02:01:48.800 I don't.

02:01:49.880 You know, if he does something controversial, I'll report it.

02:01:51.920 If he doesn't, if he does something that's made up controversial, I'll report your falseness

02:01:56.480 too.

02:01:56.940 Right.

02:01:57.140 That's sort of where I am.

02:01:58.500 And so, you know, how the left is like, they don't care.

02:02:01.260 They want you to hate Trump.

02:02:02.140 But if you don't hate Trump, you're against them.

02:02:03.660 You're on the other team.

02:02:04.620 But then some of his core supporters still can't forgive me for asking that debate question.

02:02:08.900 They think I'm a Trump hater.

02:02:09.840 It's like, I'm not a Trump hater.

02:02:11.520 I never was a Trump hater.

02:02:12.780 I didn't enjoy it when he was coming after me.

02:02:14.580 Personally, I didn't like that.

02:02:15.820 But I always reported fairly on him.

02:02:18.140 So it's like people that they just want to see themselves reflected in you.

02:02:21.760 I don't understand getting angry when somebody doesn't have exactly the same worldview or

02:02:25.760 opinions about somebody.

02:02:27.280 But he he is like, I don't know.

02:02:31.220 People have such strong opinions from him on the left and the right.

02:02:34.620 I people have lost their minds.

02:02:36.720 And it's like they define your whole character by whether you're for or against.

02:02:40.320 Right.

02:02:40.600 Like a lot of people just want their their worldview corroborated and people on the left and on

02:02:45.040 the right are guilty of this.

02:02:46.460 I think that Fox was was treated unfairly when Fox called Arizona before other people

02:02:51.640 did.

02:02:52.500 Isn't that what you're supposed to do?

02:02:54.120 You're supposed to call something when you when you think you've called it.

02:02:56.780 And now everybody gets off at Fox because they feel that that somehow was anti-Trump.

02:03:01.740 I don't understand that.

02:03:03.220 I really don't.

02:03:03.960 I think Chris Wallace got hammered unfairly, too, when he gave an interview, you know,

02:03:07.940 your job sometimes is going to take some people off and and the viewer should be responsible

02:03:13.140 enough and adult enough to accept that.

02:03:15.460 I know.

02:03:16.160 Right.

02:03:16.560 And I get it.

02:03:17.360 If you if you have a history of, you know, being biased against one side and, you know,

02:03:21.000 you've shown your your colors.

02:03:23.080 But, you know, that's certainly not the case with me.

02:03:25.640 And but we've just gotten so tribal and so polarized.

02:03:28.040 That's the way we are.

02:03:29.200 So now, wait, what is your girlfriend's name?

02:03:31.020 What's her first name?

02:03:31.720 Her name is Nina, N-I-N-A, Nina Perry.

02:03:35.180 So what do you guys like?

02:03:36.500 What do you do for fun?

02:03:37.300 Are you going to go for like a bike ride after this?

02:03:39.000 What are you going to do in sunny California?

02:03:40.360 We know you're not going to go inside French laundry.

02:03:42.780 We're not like that.

02:03:43.640 We're very boring.

02:03:44.360 We like to eat and we like we like movies.

02:03:47.860 We like plays.

02:03:49.080 We like music and we like kidding each other.

02:03:51.540 She hates spiders.

02:03:52.880 I've got spiders all over my house.

02:03:55.400 And and Megan, there better not be a spider near me and near Nina because I'm picking it up

02:04:00.900 and I'm chasing her and she will literally run away like a little girl.

02:04:05.080 I love it.

02:04:08.000 Wait a minute.

02:04:08.760 You are the Larry Elder.

02:04:10.460 You've had like all these successful shows and so and books.

02:04:14.040 How is it you have spiders all over your apartment?

02:04:16.140 You've got to get a better mate.

02:04:17.760 Well, it's a house, thankfully.

02:04:19.720 But I live up in the hills and there's a lot of bugs around here.

02:04:22.880 But Nina is not afraid of lizards.

02:04:25.800 Lizards freak me out.

02:04:27.140 She's not afraid of lizards.

02:04:28.180 She's not afraid of anything other than spiders.

02:04:30.520 I don't understand that.

02:04:31.580 But it works out for me because I'm not afraid of spiders.

02:04:34.020 So I pick them up and I chase her with.

02:04:35.900 Well, maybe in the future, you'll have a stint in New York City where I would say in these

02:04:40.040 high rise apartment buildings, spiders are not the problem.

02:04:42.280 Now, she might she might see a small, you know, depends on like we'll just call it a

02:04:47.640 small bunny rabbit.

02:04:48.840 Others might call it a rat.

02:04:52.220 Oh, she's completely, of course, changed my wardrobe.

02:04:56.460 We first going out, we're driving.

02:04:59.280 She looks at me.

02:04:59.780 She goes, you're wearing that.

02:05:03.820 And I said, why don't you why don't you tell me that before I leave the house?

02:05:07.620 That way.

02:05:08.300 Now I just go, what am I wearing today?

02:05:11.720 I cut I cut out the middleman.

02:05:14.080 Exactly right.

02:05:15.260 Oh, I feel like all women do this to men.

02:05:17.300 I did this to Doug, too.

02:05:18.320 When I met when I met Doug, he was wearing high-waisted khaki pants and a yellow golf

02:05:25.920 shirt.

02:05:26.800 Now, I ask you, Larry, what's wrong with us?

02:05:29.180 Put Nina on the phone.

02:05:31.140 The end is fair.

02:05:32.080 Come on.

02:05:32.740 My kind of guy.

02:05:33.280 You run that by Nina.

02:05:34.220 No, Nina's going to understand my pain.

02:05:36.000 I was like, OK, all I can think is that the prior girlfriend put him in this condition

02:05:40.740 so he was less marketable and he got used to it because this is not not OK.

02:05:45.460 That Christmas, I got him the nicest clothes and I didn't have a lot of money back then.

02:05:50.180 It was my first year at Fox.

02:05:51.380 I got him the nicest because he was like, you are the most generous person.

02:05:54.820 I'm like, well, you know me.

02:05:57.400 So what's next for you?

02:05:58.880 You're doing your show.

02:05:59.980 I see you on Fox a lot.

02:06:01.300 You're writing your books.

02:06:02.700 What's the goal at this point for you?

02:06:04.340 And I'm doing a lot of videos.

02:06:05.860 I do three of them a week for Epic Times on YouTube.

02:06:08.540 They're doing extremely well.

02:06:10.080 They're awesome.

02:06:11.360 Thank you.

02:06:11.740 Uncle Tom, too, is coming out.

02:06:13.060 We should be finishing that in the next next few months.

02:06:17.720 And my first the book about my father is called Dear Father, Dear Son, Two Lives, Eight Hours

02:06:23.500 about the eight hour conversation he and I had.

02:06:25.760 I thought of my dad as an SOB growing up.

02:06:28.000 He was always yelling at us and spanking us with the belt.

02:06:30.460 And when I was 15 years old, I got into a fight and I did not speak to him for almost 10 years.

02:06:36.580 Now, the guy living in the house, it's not like he and my mom were divorced or anything.

02:06:41.660 I just did not speak to the SOB.

02:06:44.240 I graduated from high school.

02:06:45.820 I go to college on the East Coast, law school in the Midwest.

02:06:48.540 I ended up working in Ohio.

02:06:49.980 So I would come back and visit my parents.

02:06:52.260 But I would always avoid my father for 10 years.

02:06:55.340 Now, I'm 25 years old.

02:06:57.060 I just passed the bar, California bar, Ohio bar.

02:07:00.660 I'm working at Squire Sanders.

02:07:02.260 You know the firm.

02:07:03.380 I'm making the equivalent.

02:07:04.480 What are the kids making today now?

02:07:05.740 150K coming out of school?

02:07:07.580 Yep.

02:07:08.620 So that's me.

02:07:10.340 And I can't sleep.

02:07:12.280 I should be living large.

02:07:13.480 I can't sleep.

02:07:14.020 I know it has something to do with my father.

02:07:16.120 So I called my secretary and I said, cancel all my appointments.

02:07:19.020 I'm flying to LA.

02:07:20.400 And I didn't tell my parents I was coming because I didn't want my dad to prepare for this confrontation.

02:07:25.700 So I go to the restaurant where my dad was working, the little restaurant that we owned.

02:07:30.140 I said, I want to talk to you.

02:07:31.900 He was shocked to see me.

02:07:33.040 He said, okay, wait till we close.

02:07:35.300 So I had to wait for an hour.

02:07:36.880 And I sat there at the little diner and I said to myself, now, Larry, don't tee off on his ass.

02:07:40.700 Just tell him a few things that bother you.

02:07:42.600 He's probably going to call you an ungrateful son.

02:07:44.640 You'll call him an SOB.

02:07:45.860 Then maybe you'll be able to sleep.

02:07:47.560 So my father sat down.

02:07:49.520 And Megan, you know how I can go.

02:07:51.760 I teed off on the SOB for 25 minutes, nonstop.

02:07:55.520 I told him every whipping, every spanking, everything he ever said to me that pissed me off.

02:08:00.620 And when I was done, I was out of ammo.

02:08:03.700 My dad looked at me and he said, is that it?

02:08:07.980 You didn't speak to me for 10 years because of that?

02:08:10.680 And I said, yeah.

02:08:12.260 And for the first time, I saw my father cry.

02:08:14.780 And he said, let me tell you about my father, referring to the man named Elder.

02:08:19.380 And he talked about how he was beaten and how he was treated and how he left home when he was 13.

02:08:28.720 The story I told you, I didn't know any of that because I didn't give a damn.

02:08:32.060 I didn't like him.

02:08:33.060 He told me about his life.

02:08:34.640 It took eight hours.

02:08:36.160 And during the eight-hour period of time, the man got bigger and bigger and bigger.

02:08:40.160 And Larry got smaller and smaller and smaller.

02:08:42.660 And after eight hours, I'm crying.

02:08:44.340 And I said, Dad, please forgive me for judging you so harshly and unfairly.

02:08:49.860 My father said, don't worry about it.

02:08:52.300 You didn't know you were just a kid.

02:08:54.060 But follow the advice I've always given you and your brothers.

02:08:57.040 And he reiterated that mantra I told you about, hard work winning and all that.

02:09:01.460 And I wrote a book about it called Dear Father, Dear Son, Two Lives, Eight Hours.

02:09:06.320 Dear Father, Dear Son.

02:09:07.660 Because when I went back to Cleveland after this eight-hour conversation, my dad wrote me a letter, Megan.

02:09:11.500 He had never written me a letter.

02:09:12.840 And it said, Dear, Dear Son.

02:09:16.280 And I wrote back to him.

02:09:17.460 And I said, Dear Father.

02:09:19.060 And the book is a wonderful book.

02:09:22.240 And you're asking me about my next project, which is why I'm giving you this long-winded, long-windy story.

02:09:27.480 And I'm thinking about trying to do a movie of the book about the eight-hour conversation that my dad and I had.

02:09:32.500 If I can raise the money and get a decent screenplay, I've never written a screenplay before, I'd like to do that.

02:09:40.160 It's about so much.

02:09:41.440 Yes, it's a reminder of the values he taught you, hard work and so on.

02:09:44.800 But it's also about the son, who's been the subject of some mistreatment by the dad, nonetheless finding the courage inside of him to go confront the father about the behavior, to learn some perspective on it and where it falls in the grand scheme of misdeeds in life.

02:10:01.160 And conversation with somebody you, in the moment, loathe somebody who you think might loathe you.

02:10:07.680 But reaching across the aisle anyway and having conversation, conversation being the key to get us out of our angst, our loathing, our self-loathing, our loathing of our country.

02:10:17.680 Right?

02:10:17.920 It's like there's a lot in there.

02:10:19.840 Absolutely.

02:10:20.800 Absolutely.

02:10:21.480 There's a lot in there.

02:10:22.340 My father was a gracious man.

02:10:25.120 He was a happy man.

02:10:26.720 He was beloved.

02:10:28.360 During the eight hours we were sitting there, this is a little diner that my dad started in 1962.

02:10:33.960 And as we were sitting there, people would come by and knock on the window, Randy, are you okay?

02:10:40.260 Randy, you're okay?

02:10:40.940 It must have happened 50 times because normally he's not there by then.

02:10:44.020 They were looking into his welfare.

02:10:45.940 And my dad, this is an area that's not a nice area.

02:10:50.180 A lot of gangs are there.

02:10:51.720 And my father was never robbed, not one time.

02:10:55.500 One time my dad and I were there.

02:10:57.840 My dad is walking out with a bag full of cash.

02:11:01.200 And these gangbangers are sitting on his car.

02:11:05.060 My dad hands one of the gangbangers the money so my dad could open the trunk.

02:11:09.080 The gangbanger gives him back the money, puts the money in the trunk.

02:11:12.080 They all did this to make sure nobody messed with him.

02:11:14.560 And then he drove home.

02:11:16.900 Oh, my God.

02:11:18.180 That's fantastic.

02:11:20.680 These are all Hispanic gangs in there.

02:11:22.860 In the Pico Union area, mostly now Hispanic area, all these gangbangers, all, hey, Randy,

02:11:28.740 Randy, I'll get that for you.

02:11:30.040 Don't worry about it.

02:11:30.900 We'll take care of you.

02:11:31.880 Never robbed.

02:11:32.780 Not one time.

02:11:34.240 That's fantastic.

02:11:35.600 That does speak very well of him.

02:11:37.320 Maybe he found his kindness later in life, as so many people do.

02:11:41.660 You know, it's tough.

02:11:43.020 I was just thinking about the hitting situation, Larry.

02:11:45.440 I have to tell you, because I don't hit my kids.

02:11:47.680 And I understand.

02:11:48.260 I was hit by my mother, which she loves when I bring it up publicly.

02:11:51.240 But somebody was just asking me, like, why don't you ever hit them?

02:11:56.380 Because I know, especially in the South and in other parts of the country, it's more normal.

02:12:01.840 And I always felt like I can't teach my kids not to hit by hitting them, right?

02:12:07.060 I can't teach them good behavior by behaving badly myself.

02:12:10.440 It's like the only way forward is to model it.

02:12:13.320 But I don't know.

02:12:14.400 I mean, you didn't have kids.

02:12:15.460 But I feel like somehow we wind up stopping these cycles of abuse.

02:12:22.320 And maybe that, too, speaks to the country.

02:12:25.880 I don't know.

02:12:26.400 Like, the country's going through something awful right now, but we usually get ourselves

02:12:29.460 out of it.

02:12:30.240 We don't usually stay in the awful place.

02:12:32.220 That's one thing I do have hope in.

02:12:34.420 Like, we're in this sort of crisis mode right now in the wake of George Floyd, the wake of

02:12:37.620 the pandemic, which I think weakened people's spirits.

02:12:41.180 And I just feel like, OK, we're getting stronger.

02:12:43.340 We're getting vaccinated.

02:12:44.280 People are, like, stopping with the fear, the constant fear.

02:12:48.140 I don't know.

02:12:48.740 What are you?

02:12:49.140 Are you hopeful right now about our country?

02:12:52.140 I always tell people I'm guardedly pessimistic.

02:12:55.380 I'm worried.

02:12:56.000 When somebody like AOC can come out of a fine university like Boston University with a degree

02:13:01.700 in economics and says the stupid crap she says, the people at the tippy, tippy, tippy

02:13:06.640 top, taxpayers should be paying more when the people at the tippy, tippy, tippy top pay

02:13:10.820 almost 40% of all the federal income taxes in the country.

02:13:14.020 And she's got a major in economics, and she wants a $15 minimum wage when the studies show

02:13:18.620 overwhelmingly that these kinds of laws hurt people, including a disproportionate number

02:13:23.580 of black and brown workers.

02:13:24.840 It scares me that somebody like that can come out of the university with a degree in economics.

02:13:30.540 And they're minting people like that every single day.

02:13:33.080 So I'm frightened by that.

02:13:34.980 Mm-hmm.

02:13:35.960 All right.

02:13:36.420 Well, let's end it on an up note, because sometimes when I have somebody like you, I love to ask,

02:13:41.540 as my parting goodbye, what do you love about America?

02:13:45.720 Freedom.

02:13:48.080 Be anything you can be, be anything you want to be, change, prosperity.

02:13:54.620 This is a place where you can go from something to nothing faster than any other civilization

02:14:00.080 in human history.

02:14:01.520 I love the freedom.

02:14:03.320 That's what America is all about, being free to be who and what you want to be.

02:14:07.240 That's what I love about this country.

02:14:08.480 Why do you suppose people are craving shark-infested waters to get here?

02:14:11.760 There are 7 billion people in the world, and I dare say most of them would trade places

02:14:16.620 with us if they could only do so.

02:14:18.680 And it's worth fighting for.

02:14:20.100 We've got a country to save.

02:14:21.660 Amen.

02:14:22.360 What a pleasure.

02:14:23.340 All right.

02:14:23.660 I will let you spend more time with Nina, but please come back.

02:14:26.680 This was so fun.

02:14:27.900 I will.

02:14:28.420 Thank you very much for having me so long.

02:14:29.900 I appreciate it.

02:14:30.780 Pleasure was all mine.

02:14:31.660 And don't forget, everybody, Uncle Tom.

02:14:33.300 Go get it.

02:14:33.800 Go to UncleTom.com.

02:14:34.860 I do believe that's where I got it the first time.

02:14:37.000 It's well worth your time.

02:14:38.600 All the best, Larry.

02:14:39.660 All the best.

02:14:40.180 Thank you.

02:14:43.820 Coming up on Monday, we're going to have reaction to the Prince Harry Meghan Markle big

02:14:49.100 interview with Oprah on Sunday night.

02:14:51.920 I got a lot of thoughts about these two.

02:14:53.720 They're good gracious.

02:14:55.500 Have you ever seen somebody so privileged in your life playing such the victim?

02:14:59.220 My God.

02:15:01.100 I mean, it's really insane.

02:15:02.160 And she's, you know, oh, the palace put out that report about me bullying people just to

02:15:06.740 get ahead of this interview, which may be true, but the report's not so good.

02:15:10.120 It's not so good that she was reducing people to tears, that she was hissing, allegedly, at

02:15:15.740 some of her employees.

02:15:16.960 What do you have to be so upset about when you're living in the castle?

02:15:19.580 I mean, talk about not being able to look on the bright side.

02:15:21.580 You married a prince.

02:15:22.620 You're wearing, you're like covered in diamonds.

02:15:25.920 You got your own castle.

02:15:27.540 Like, shut up.

02:15:28.900 So I feel the need to have some reaction to the Oprah interview.

02:15:33.500 And we're also going to be joined by Barry Weiss again, because she has formed this amazing

02:15:39.540 new group.

02:15:40.100 It's basically a new ACLU.

02:15:42.560 And it's all your favorites.

02:15:44.520 And I've agreed to be on the advisory board, too.

02:15:46.560 But it's Glenn Lowry.

02:15:48.300 It's Coleman Hughes.

02:15:49.480 It's Barry White.

02:15:50.140 It's Ion Hersey-Lee.

02:15:51.060 I could go on.

02:15:53.020 But we're getting organized, folks, and we're fighting back against this nonsense.

02:15:57.120 And you're going to want to know how it can help you, because there are real ways we're

02:16:00.840 going to be able to help regular Americans sitting at home having no idea how to fight

02:16:05.020 these battles in their community.

02:16:06.140 So anyway, tune in for that on Monday and have a great weekend.

02:16:10.280 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - March 05, 2021

Larry Elder on Racial Resentment, Media Bias, and What Makes America Great ｜ Ep. 72

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