The Megyn Kelly Show - Lawfare 2.0 Fighting Trump, and Sparring with Newsom, with Charlie Kirk, and Former Female Athlete Speaks Out

00:00:00.540 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.120 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We are starting to see the

00:00:16.480 signs of Trump Lawfare 2.0 as the new administration battles with multiple left-wing judges, but one in

00:00:23.340 particular, over the Trump team's authority to deport gang members. I mean, okay.

00:00:30.000 We're talking about Venezuelan gang members, and this apparently is the hill the left wants to die

00:00:34.940 on. The White House says the deportation flights will continue and that they will win this fight

00:00:40.040 all while the media melts down. And Gavin Newsom's been busy podcasting. I mean, you know, like your

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00:00:52.460 he wants to do what I do, which is fine. It's fun. But, you know, they elected him to do a different

00:00:56.660 job. And he's trying to figure out how Trump crushed his party last November. He's talking

00:01:02.400 with some of the biggest names in MAGA world. His first guest earlier this month was Charlie Kirk,

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00:02:11.900 Charlie, welcome back. How are you doing?

00:02:13.660 Thanks, Megan. I'm doing great. Great to be here. Thank you.

00:02:16.360 Awesome. Okay, let's talk about this Judge Boasberg of the D.C. court, the federal district court,

00:02:22.840 who is all over Trump, on these deportations of the Tren de Aragua, suspected gang members.

00:02:30.460 Trump says these are gang members. Tom Homan says they're gang members. We've done our homework.

00:02:34.860 That's who they are. And we are shipping them out of the country with a ride. I mean,

00:02:40.240 we're being courteous to them, giving them a ride, although it ends in El Salvador at a prison,

00:02:43.860 which is generally where gang members wind up, whether it's domestically or internationally.

00:02:47.800 And this judge is losing his mind that Trump is not doing everything he's commanding him to do.

00:02:56.640 And this is the closest thing we've seen yet to a constitutional crisis. You know how the left has

00:03:01.000 been throwing that term around. And it's not because of Trump. It's because of a judge who

00:03:05.280 thinks he's the president. This Judge Boasberg is speaking to Donald Trump as though he's the judge's

00:03:12.920 underling, his clerk, who needs to run around answering the judge's every little question.

00:03:18.660 This is foreign policy. And he like this is where Trump is at the apex of his power,

00:03:25.220 which Judge Boasberg doesn't seem to understand. I just want to give you

00:03:28.280 a little a little overview of what Julie Kelly, so great on the J6 cases,

00:03:33.880 reported happened inside the hearing yesterday, where Boasberg, who had said to Trump on Saturday,

00:03:39.860 do not send those planes to El Salvador, any any remaining planes and the ones that are in the

00:03:45.300 air, turn them around and bring them back to the United States. Well, that didn't happen with the

00:03:50.980 three planes. The Trump administration is saying, look, they they were in the air and we're not

00:03:56.420 turning planes around midair when they're out of U.S. airspace to come back to the U.S. Stephen Miller

00:04:02.820 pointing out yesterday, did the judge have any idea how much fuel was in the planes? Did he have any

00:04:07.840 idea what the flight time was of the crew on board and whether that was safe for them to do to turn

00:04:12.740 it around? Like this is so out of order what the judge is doing. And with the third flight, that's

00:04:17.660 the one we're not sure whether that took flight after the judge ordered it not to whatever. All of

00:04:24.800 this is extra judicial behavior because the Alien Enemies Act says he doesn't get to review presidential

00:04:31.660 declarations under that act. All right. So that's that's where we are. But let me just give you

00:04:35.280 a little feel for what Julie Kelly says happened yesterday. She writes. This is 16 hours ago.

00:04:42.440 Hearing now underway in Judge Bozberg's courtroom on his nationwide temporary restraining order related to

00:04:47.420 the president's March 15th proclamation invoking the Alien Enemies Act. Bozberg acted within hours of a

00:04:52.860 lawsuit filed by the ACLU on behalf of five suspected Venezuelan terrorists. By the way, Trump did not deport

00:04:58.760 those five. He listened to the judge and said, all right, we can hash it out over those five. But these others,

00:05:02.720 they're going. Bozberg, I've scheduled this hearing for fact finding on the government's response to my

00:05:07.960 order. We're focusing on a timeline involved. I want to get a sense of the numbers. I just want facts not

00:05:13.260 planning to issue any ruling about the government's conduct. Yes. The DOJ, if it's still true that the five

00:05:17.580 individual plaintiffs are in the U.S., DOJ says yes. How many planes departed the U.S. on Saturday under the

00:05:22.560 proclamation? DOJ says flights complied with his order, but won't disclose more. Bozberg, to anyone, including

00:05:28.620 me? DOJ, yes. Bozberg, based on what? DOJ cites national security concerns and flight patterns.

00:05:35.040 Bozberg, you're saying it's classified? I can receive classified information. Okay, then he goes

00:05:40.560 on. Here's a list of questions I want answered, and you can tell me why you won't give me these

00:05:45.100 answered, and the deadline to answer is noon today, Tuesday. How many planes left at any time Saturday

00:05:50.740 based solely on the proclamation by President Trump? How many people were on each plane? In what

00:05:55.480 country did the planes land? What time did they take off? What time did they land? When were they

00:06:00.280 in airspace? What time were individuals on the plane transferred to custody? Now he asked the ACLU

00:06:06.180 if they have any questions that they want answered by the Trump administration. So the ACLU is now

00:06:11.220 directing our foreign policy about these flights. Julie Kelly continues, there are three flights at

00:06:16.220 issue, two, and I think she's repeating what the judge was saying. There are three flights at issue,

00:06:22.400 two that left before, no, sorry, this is her, two that left before any written order,

00:06:27.240 and that the DOJ says did not include individuals covered under the Alien Enemies Act, and one that

00:06:33.780 might have departed after Bozberg's minute order posted on 730 Saturday. ACLU wants a sworn statement

00:06:39.160 that the third flight did not include illegals covered by Trump's proclamation. Bozberg tells DOJ he

00:06:44.460 will order the government to file a sworn statement as to the third flight. The ACLU is in charge of

00:06:49.460 foreign policy. Bozberg, now you can tell me why the other two flights complied with my order. How?

00:06:55.080 How did they comply with my order? DOJ again argues Bozberg's oral statement during the March 15th

00:07:00.840 5 p.m. hearing was not controlling that this order went into effect once it was posted on the docket.

00:07:05.700 They're trying to say the flights may have taken off after the oral ruling that they shouldn't take

00:07:09.620 off, but I'm trying to get this right. He issued the oral ruling, and they're saying that didn't

00:07:19.440 control. What controlled was the written minute order that posted, and these flights took off

00:07:24.360 before the written order was posted. But they're also arguing out of the same other side of the

00:07:31.700 mouth, you didn't have the authority to issue this order anyway. Here we go. I'm almost getting

00:07:35.100 to you, Charlie. Stand by. Bozberg's now agitated that his verbal direction to return the planes

00:07:40.440 during the hearing is not considered controlling. Bozberg's now saying the DOJ should not have

00:07:45.760 allowed any planes to take off on Saturday at all because the DOJ knew Bozberg would be holding

00:07:51.940 a hearing at 5 p.m. And Bozberg's first minute order related only to the first, the five illegal

00:07:57.600 plaintiffs. Bozberg's saying the Trump administration should not have executed the president's

00:08:01.820 order because Bozberg was going to hold a hearing that evening and maybe stop the government from

00:08:08.860 deporting under the Alien Enemies Act. Okay, that's where we'll kick it off today. What is

00:08:16.800 happening here and your reaction to this judge? I mean, there is so much to unpack. And Megan,

00:08:21.760 what a wonderful intro. And I'm really happy to be able to comment on this. First and foremost,

00:08:26.040 I encourage everyone in your audience to check out Stephen Miller's about 10-minute masterclass

00:08:30.880 that he had on CNN the other day where he was going through point by point. It was a 10. And

00:08:37.840 Stephen is a dear friend. And we've worked together on a lot of different stuff. And I don't pump up

00:08:42.120 him unless he's really, you know, hit it. I mean, it was one of the most effective cable news segments.

00:08:47.460 And the CNN host, I mean, she had no idea what was going on. But essentially to distill it and then to

00:08:52.360 add some additional commentary. What we have seen over the last 40 years, especially, but over the last

00:08:57.840 hundred years, is the concentration of power in Washington, DC is largely vested in the unelected

00:09:03.900 bureaucracy and the unelected judiciary. This is against the founding fathers' original intent

00:09:09.400 and design. The founding fathers never put in to the original framework this idea of a fourth branch

00:09:15.400 of government. We are seeing that finally, finally be criticized. That's what Doge is doing. And you see

00:09:20.400 how the left is losing their mind. They're firebombing Tesla dealerships. They're saying that,

00:09:24.760 you know, Elon Musk is a dictator because he dares to go after this unconstitutional idea

00:09:29.880 that there needs to be this unelected, unaccountable branch of government with nearly

00:09:36.260 unlimited amounts of power. Okay. This is now the second part what we're seeing. And both

00:09:40.280 simultaneously are animating the activist left, which is, well, what if we also challenge the power

00:09:46.280 of the unelected judiciary? This is not judiciable. Judiciable. And which meaning anything that happens

00:09:52.480 overseas when it conducting foreign policy, a district court judge does not have jurisdiction

00:09:58.640 over. He can try to invent some ways while he does, but the ramifications of this could directly

00:10:05.460 impair national security. I could go through dozens of individual types of movements or actions that a

00:10:13.800 president has done over the last 20, 30 years that God forbid a district court judge would get involved

00:10:19.460 with. One that was very high profile during president Trump is when he took out the head of

00:10:23.380 ISIS, widely celebrated by both Republicans and Democrats. Remember, president Trump said he died

00:10:28.360 like a dog and, you know, he was screaming. And what if a district court judge would have enjoined

00:10:33.380 and said, you know what, actually? Yeah, exactly. Uh, well, yeah, there was al-Baghdadi. Exactly.

00:10:38.000 And there was also Soleimani from Iran, but you're exactly right. Al-Baghdadi. What if a district court

00:10:42.100 judge would have enjoined president Trump's ability to use American troops to go after the head of ISIS

00:10:47.800 saying, you know what? I want to learn more about actually who these troops are. I want to know the

00:10:51.640 intelligence. I want to know really what's going on here. I mean, this is so outrageous to anybody

00:10:57.360 that understands how American foreign policy must operate. Secondly, that the constitution is very

00:11:03.640 clear. This is an article two question that all authority when it comes to foreign policy vests in a

00:11:09.880 commander of chief and commander in chief. That is the president of the United States. And I want to give

00:11:14.120 a lot of credit to Stephen Miller and Susie Wiles and the white house team, because they really

00:11:18.580 thought this one through. You see the kind of shallow analysis is, Oh, the white house is moving

00:11:22.720 so fast. They don't know what they're doing. No, no, no, no. You look at how well prepared they have

00:11:27.400 been for this. They picked the right fight. They wanted this one to go to the white house. Think of

00:11:31.460 all the criteria that they were able to isolate here. Trendy Aragua. So every single one of these were

00:11:36.880 people that were members of Trendy Aragua, which was, which was mentioned and actually categorized

00:11:43.700 even under Joe Biden as a foreign operative word, a foreign terrorist organization from the

00:11:50.260 Venezuelan government. That is number one. Number two, it involves foreign policy. So the district court

00:11:56.800 judge absolutely does not have jurisdiction over it. And number three, which I think is so incredibly

00:12:02.280 important is that they then domiciled the terrorists in a foreign country. And president Bukele, who is

00:12:08.520 awesome, by the way, is literally like laughing at this district court judge. Like, yeah, you don't

00:12:12.280 have jurisdiction over here. You don't have sovereignty here. You see, typically the left, they made a big

00:12:17.260 mistake here. The ACLU made a huge mistake. They took the bait. They said, Oh my goodness, the president

00:12:22.580 is invoking a 200 year old law. Well, time out. The constitution is over 200 years old. So I don't know

00:12:28.700 exactly what they're getting at here, but they took the bait. They rushed into court. They sued. They

00:12:32.740 said, Oh, these murders and these rapists, we have to make sure that they stay in America. When in

00:12:36.820 reality, they thought, they thought they were getting president Trump and his administration

00:12:40.900 to stop what they were doing. The Trump administration likely, I'm saying this just as a gut instinct. I

00:12:46.020 don't have this on first person authority, but I know the players involved in how sophisticated they

00:12:49.960 are. They likely wanted the ACLU to sue on this particular matter to have this eventually appeal

00:12:55.760 to the Supreme court and get a declarative final judgment. And this is the final point I want to

00:13:01.420 make on this, Megan, which is we talk frequently about how we finally have a Southern border, right?

00:13:06.380 Border crossings are down 95 to 99%. We're finally seeing it. One of the reasons why that's possible

00:13:12.620 is because the first couple of years of Trump one was spent in the courts, actually putting remain in

00:13:19.300 Mexico through the courts and getting a declarative decision at the Supreme court, putting all the

00:13:25.220 different pandemic related emergency measures, working through the legal ramifications of what

00:13:30.420 it means to actually have a Southern border that was done during Trump one. Now, during Trump two,

00:13:36.200 we're going through the same legal ramifications of actually being able to deport foreign nationals

00:13:42.800 from our land who are terrorists, the worst of the worst. So credit to the Trump White House team.

00:13:49.400 This judge is completely out of control. Remember this, this judge is married to a radical left wing

00:13:53.880 lunatic. Secondly, also gave a slap on the risk of Kevin Kleinsmith. You might remember that during

00:13:59.580 all the Russiagate FBI FISA court stuff. This judge is an Obama appointee is no good. And I'm so thrilled

00:14:07.240 that the Trump administration is holding the line here to set a proper precedent that no district court

00:14:13.980 judge should interfere with the president of the United States ability to execute and perform foreign

00:14:18.480 policy. It's amazing when you think Joe Biden opened the Southern border and said, come on in facilitated

00:14:26.640 the millions, literally millions of illegals, including illegal gang members who would commit murder in the

00:14:33.100 United States. Come on in. And now as Trump is trying to correct what Joe Biden did, starting with the worst of

00:14:41.020 the worst, the people who not only broke our laws to enter the country, but actually broke our laws once here

00:14:46.480 by engaging in gang activity or murder or rape, et cetera. That's where he's beginning the efforts

00:14:51.760 that now we've got the ACLU involved. Now we've got the left filing legal challenges to slow it down.

00:14:58.920 This is the hill they want to die on. Don't deport Venezuelan gang members. They have the right to stay

00:15:07.400 here. They have the right to clog up our courts with person by person hearings to decide whether they're

00:15:13.520 deportable as opposed to it. There's no question that if stopped while trying to sneak across the

00:15:19.300 border, we could have just kicked them out immediately, turn them around immediately and

00:15:23.680 said, get the hell out of here. But because Joe Biden let them in, let them commit crimes inside the

00:15:30.400 United States. Now we're pretending like they have additional rights where they can go through a bunch

00:15:35.660 of hearings in front of a D.C. district court judge and the D.C. district court judge is playing along

00:15:40.860 like, well, it could just be a bunch of Americans who Tom Homan is confused about who need my protection

00:15:48.680 as this D.C. federal district court judge. And here's just one more thing of the Julie Kelly

00:15:53.400 thread yesterday. She writes, Boesburg, Judge Boesburg and the DOJ are now arguing over the court's

00:16:01.080 jurisdiction over international waters and airspace. Boesburg keeps interrupting DOJ and insisting

00:16:07.900 he has the ultimate authority. Quote, isn't it a better course to return the planes to the United

00:16:13.240 States and figure out a better course instead of we will do whatever we want? He says Trump

00:16:19.560 administration's only relief is to appeal his order, not ignore it. There is no evidence that that is the

00:16:25.360 case. She writes, she was quoting him here. I'm just asking how my equitable powers do not attach

00:16:31.840 to that plane after it left the United States. DOJ citing presidential military and foreign diplomatic

00:16:38.780 authority. Boesburg, you're saying the president has extra powers over a plane once it leaves the

00:16:44.500 United States. I think my equitable powers are pretty clear that they don't end at the water's edge or

00:16:50.380 airspace edge. These are interesting questions to have on a set of facts, which is what I was hoping

00:16:55.680 to get to today. He does. He literally thinks he has the power to take U.S. planes being conducted by

00:17:03.840 the military, leaving the United States with people designated terrorists by the president of the United

00:17:10.240 States and his top emissaries that he can tell them they must turn those planes around when they're in

00:17:15.980 international airspace and bring these criminals back to America. Charlie. And a couple, a couple

00:17:23.580 thoughts on this. Number one, if President Trump would not have defeated Hillary Clinton in 2017,

00:17:29.940 you would have an entire Supreme Court composed of people like this. And I hope everyone in your

00:17:34.680 audience takes a moment to truly reflect on that. This is the predominant view of the Democrat Party.

00:17:41.480 The Democrat Party relies on unelected, non-democratic sources of power to be able to

00:17:50.300 continue their ideological campaign against the American people. Even though they do it in the

00:17:56.040 name of democracy, it's all about unelected bureaucrats in the federal government and then

00:18:00.580 unelected judiciary. Secondly, I'm glad the Trump administration is taking this posture.

00:18:06.340 This judge himself thinks so highly of his ability as a district court judge that he's saying, well,

00:18:14.020 of course I can conduct things overseas. Imagine the precedent here. The precedent would be that if

00:18:20.200 the president of the United States, like for example, the president yesterday mobilized three

00:18:23.780 aircraft carriers to defend shipping lanes outside of Iran. Is he allowed to do that? Is that going

00:18:29.200 to be enjoined? And of course, a more lighthearted one, is some judge going to say, you know what,

00:18:33.440 actually you have to return the two astronauts back to the space station? Because I have to find

00:18:38.020 out exactly why you sent the rocket to SpaceX making money. Does my jurisdiction go into orbit?

00:18:45.620 I mean, does a district court judge, is a district court judge allowed to get involved in satellite

00:18:49.360 movements? I mean, at some point you have to ask the question, who is in charge? And the founding

00:18:55.600 fathers answered this question very crisply. They answered it with great profundity and wisdom.

00:19:01.920 The American people are in charge and their proxy is the president. The proxy is the president of

00:19:08.220 the United States when it comes to all foreign policy decisions. When it comes to-

00:19:12.260 I debated this with Glenn Greenwald yesterday. There is a check on the president's exercise of power

00:19:18.780 and it's called impeachment. If the president has overstepped the bounds of Article 2, then he can be

00:19:26.900 impeached by the Article 1 branch, and that's the U.S. Congress. They're not doing that. And you may be

00:19:32.200 saying, well, those are Republicans who are never going to impeach him. The audience may be thinking

00:19:35.380 that. Oh, that's too bad. That's the way the founders set it up. If he does something egregious

00:19:40.160 enough, something absolutely horrible, if Trump completely misused his powers, started executing

00:19:45.220 U.S. citizens, I bet he would be impeached, even by a Republican House. That's not what's happening

00:19:49.540 here. And so there is a remedy. But the founders did not see fit to allow an Article 3 judge who has

00:19:58.040 absolutely zero authority when it comes to foreign policy to second-guess the commander-in-chief's

00:20:05.200 wartime powers. And no, we're not at war the way we were in World War II. But the president is saying,

00:20:10.980 and Stephen Miller was saying in that segment yesterday, which we have a clip of, which was

00:20:14.100 amazing and well worth your time to watch all 10 minutes, that all three pieces of the Alien

00:20:20.940 Enemies Act allow the president to act here. Yes, there has been a war declared on the United States

00:20:26.900 by these countries, he said, including Venezuela when it comes to their gangs. And they've committed

00:20:32.520 an invasion. And there's been something less than an invasion, an incursion on the territory of the

00:20:37.780 United States, all three of which would activate the Alien Enemies Act, which allows the president to do

00:20:42.180 this. Here's a little bit of the Stephen Miller-Cassie Hunt exchange yesterday. It's not 11.

00:20:49.020 Masterclass. You're not hearing me and you're not understanding me.

00:20:52.560 Read the statutes. Alien Enemies Act, 1798. It says if a predatory incursion is perpetrated by a

00:21:01.320 foreign government. So it lists the three qualifying actions. It could be an active war.

00:21:06.700 It does say in the very beginning there has to be a declared war against a nation or a state.

00:21:10.740 That's what it says. Wrong. Look up the statute. It's on my account on social media.

00:21:15.800 That's actually where we found it. It says or a predatory incursion or an invasion. The statute

00:21:23.900 delineates three criteria for triggering the Alien Enemies Act. A district court judge can no more

00:21:31.380 enjoin the expulsion of foreign terrorists to foreign soil that he can direct the movement of Air Force One,

00:21:38.020 that he can direct the movement of an aircraft carrier.

00:21:40.360 It was amazing. And what was, what was especially great about it was, what is it, Steve? Is it Cassie

00:21:47.140 or Casey? I don't actually, I, I don't, we've talked about this person before, but oh, Casey. Okay. It's

00:21:51.920 Casey. But she, I mean, look, she was too dumb to get it. I'm just going to say it is she was,

00:21:57.620 she was not smart enough to handle the truth bombs that Stephen Miller was unleashing.

00:22:01.420 No, she can't handle it. No. And you can see it. She just, every moment of the thing was her

00:22:05.400 attempting to do a gotcha, but are we at war? Are we at war with Venezuela? Are we Steven? It's like,

00:22:10.600 he was so far out of her league. He kept trying to explain it to her. She couldn't quite grasp it.

00:22:15.420 She was just looking for her gotcha moment and she couldn't get there.

00:22:19.120 She obviously had a producer or two in her ear trying to keep up with Stephen Miller. Cause that's

00:22:23.820 about how smart Stephen Miller is. It takes about like four liberal women producers at CNN to be

00:22:30.600 even able to be competitive with Stephen Miller and they couldn't even get it right. They couldn't

00:22:35.140 even get it right. Cause they couldn't even read the sentence. And Stephen made a, an incredibly

00:22:40.320 important point here, which is, and I don't, it wasn't in that, in that piece of tape, which is

00:22:45.860 that the president does not even need to acknowledge this district court decision. Yeah. The Supreme

00:22:51.420 court will rule on it eventually, but it is, it is well settled in American law that anything that

00:22:58.200 comes to foreign policy is directly under the president of the United States. We did not

00:23:03.000 doubt, for example, that Joe Biden had the ability to do a disastrous withdrawal of Afghanistan. We

00:23:09.620 hated what he did. We hated how he did it, but he has that power. I mean, it's very simple. He could

00:23:14.660 do it. And I want to just get back to this point though, that the very, and the very cheerleaders for

00:23:20.680 democracy, you notice they don't talk about threats to democracy very much anymore. They've kind of

00:23:25.480 silenced on that entire talking point the last six months, but the very people that are saying

00:23:30.940 that they're for democracy are now wanting unelected institutions to slow down the will of

00:23:37.480 the American people and to completely stop it. Their goal is to try to throw sand in the gears

00:23:43.060 right now. We have a record amount of injunctions. If you want to know my greatest concern about Trump

00:23:49.200 2.0, it is not the sophistication of his staff. It is amazing versus Trump 1.0. I mean,

00:23:55.420 the president, he just looks so centered and composed and happy seeing him at the Kennedy

00:24:00.140 Center. I mean, he's in rare form. His staff is phenomenal. They are executing on every element

00:24:07.480 and every item. No, my greatest concern is that their ambitious plans to deliver on the promises

00:24:13.760 that the president made for the American people and that they are helping to put into practice will

00:24:19.600 not be possible because a group of people in black robes that nobody voted for are going to make this

00:24:27.380 go piece by piece and bit by bit. And yes, we do have the U.S. Supreme Court. And again, praise the Lord

00:24:32.960 that President Trump was able to get three Supreme Court justices. Two of them pretty good. One of them

00:24:38.220 is suspicious. But I think even Amy Coney Barrett, despite her recent, you know, let's just say

00:24:43.320 posturing is going to rule favorably on this. And again, the big takeaway is the slowdown of the

00:24:52.620 Trump administration, everything from Doge to the southern border. And then eventually these

00:24:58.400 district court judges are, imagine President Trump talking to Vladimir Putin, it's going to break the

00:25:02.940 internet. Everyone's going to be talking about it. Kind of kind of district court judge say, you know

00:25:06.140 what? Actually, Russia and Ukraine, the war must continue. Actually, the Israel Gaza conflict must

00:25:11.960 continue. This is a this is the exact same thing that we are talking about here. It has to deal

00:25:17.560 with matters of foreign policy and enemy invasion. And a law is on the books. And it is worth repeating

00:25:24.580 that, you know, they say it's this 200 year old law. But what they're really getting at is that that

00:25:29.620 which is old must be discarded. You see, we as conservatives believe that that which is old and that which

00:25:35.880 lasts is actually beautiful and worthy of studying because it's a reflection of human nature.

00:25:41.960 And even though the times change, human nature does not change. That's why the Constitution

00:25:46.880 is the longest lasting political document of its kind, because it was not written for the times.

00:25:52.880 It was written to stand the test of time. The other thing about that is it's it is truly like

00:25:58.300 the the the boy who kills his parents and then begs for mercy on the grounds that he's an orphan

00:26:03.300 there in there saying it's 200 years old. It's only been invoked three times during, you know,

00:26:08.980 actual wars, hard wars, hot wars. And but they're the ones who allowed some 10 to 20 million illegals

00:26:18.440 criminals in many instances on top of the illegal entry to come into this country over the past four

00:26:24.640 years. The most extraordinary thing we've seen in a century when it comes to illegal immigration in

00:26:30.540 this country. And now when President Trump does something extraordinary to combat it,

00:26:34.620 which is to declare an invasion, to declare an incursion that now they turn around and say,

00:26:40.200 well, you're using antiquated law. What are you doing? This is extraordinary. Like this has only

00:26:44.640 been used. Yes, you created the circumstances that made this necessary. The thing that's so galling

00:26:52.000 about this judge and that exchange with Casey Hunt yesterday was she kept saying to Stephen Miller,

00:26:59.260 what court can review it? OK, what court can review it? Then what court can review it? If this district

00:27:03.720 court cannot do it. And the answer is no court can review it. Casey, no court, not the Supreme Court,

00:27:11.780 not the appellate court, not the district court. That's the answer. There is no court, including

00:27:17.100 the highest court in the land that has jurisdiction over this. And in part, yes, there's the issue of

00:27:23.900 his foreign policy powers alone. But in part, it's because of the words of the Alien Enemy Act

00:27:29.700 as interpreted by the U.S. Supreme Court after it was passed. They held as follows. I read this

00:27:36.560 yesterday. It stands. This is not reversed. The U.S. Supreme Court held the Alien Enemy Act

00:27:43.020 precludes, meaning stops, doesn't allow judicial review of the removal order. This is the Supreme

00:27:50.520 Court deciding a case after World War Two had ended. Such great war powers may be abused,

00:27:58.100 no doubt. But that is a bad reason for having judges supervise their exercise, whatever the

00:28:04.940 legal formulas within which such supervision would nominally be confined, the Supreme Court

00:28:10.720 majority declared. Accordingly, we hold that full responsibility for the just exercise of this

00:28:17.020 great power may validly be left where the Congress has constitutionally placed it on the president

00:28:23.700 of the United States. That's the law, Casey, not the Supreme Court, not the appellate court beneath it,

00:28:31.480 and not Judge Boas Burke. Bingo. It is completely settled. And the Democrats are going to continue

00:28:40.540 to push for the most radical measures to stop President Trump. That is perfectly said. And the final takeaway

00:28:49.420 here that I think is incredibly important, and you did mention this as well, just understand the actual

00:28:54.460 biographies of the people that they are willing to fight for, the hill that they are willing to die on. I mean,

00:29:00.600 these are the worst of the worst human beings. I mean, some of these people are murderers and rapists

00:29:05.680 and drug traffickers and criminals. I mean, Trende Aragua is an enemy occupation force. I mean,

00:29:12.100 Megan, I did an event in December in Aurora, Colorado, and it unexpectedly became, it was an event

00:29:18.780 for completely unrelated matter. And person after person came up talking about home invasions,

00:29:25.000 talking about how the gang members have taken over apartment and condominium complexes,

00:29:29.560 how their entire town has become a Venezuelan occupied city. Now, no more. It has now been

00:29:36.220 liberated largely thanks to the federal government and Trende Aragua has been scattered across America.

00:29:41.660 But the Democrats on the left, they are so desperate to try to slow down this administration

00:29:46.080 that they are willing to side with drug traffickers, murderers, and criminals for any reason whatsoever.

00:29:54.080 And just understand the moral sickness that has infected the Democrat party. And I hate to put it this

00:29:59.480 way, Megan, because I wish the Democrats actually would moderate on some issues. I know we'll talk

00:30:03.720 about the Gavin thing and whether that's legitimate or not. I wish the Democrats wouldn't be like this.

00:30:07.440 But over a span of a couple of weeks, the Democrat party at whole, and if you count this judge as

00:30:13.520 one of them, they refused to stand and applaud a young man with brain cancer who ceremonially became

00:30:21.040 part of the U.S. Secret Service, while also aligning and supporting a judge who wants murderers

00:30:27.440 and drug traffickers and criminals to have a piece by piece deportation process to potentially stay in

00:30:34.560 the United States of America. That's the hill that they're willing to die on. It is a it is a cancer

00:30:40.600 that has infected the Democrat party. And I'm thrilled that Trump and his team are willing to

00:30:45.980 stand up against it, hold the line and understand that some district court judge will not interfere with

00:30:50.900 the president's power. OK, there I want to get to exactly who is in these groups that are being

00:30:58.120 deported. But before we do that, stand by one second. OK, Mike Davis, who's coming, he comes on

00:31:04.120 the show all the time. Our audience knows him. He has been making the rounds about this Judge

00:31:08.320 Bosberg. And here's what he's saying. I respect federal judges, no matter if they're appointed by

00:31:13.900 Democrats or Republicans. But what Jeb Bosberg did in this instance is so illegal, it's so reckless,

00:31:24.000 it's it's so dangerous that you're you are you are ordering you. First of all, you are sabotaging

00:31:30.740 the president of the United States during a national security operation. And if he doesn't resign,

00:31:36.120 the House should impeach him. And I look, I don't care if there aren't enough votes in the Senate to

00:31:40.780 remove him. We need to put this guy through the process so these judges understand when you do

00:31:46.980 these reckless, dangerous things, there are consequences. So that's the question. I mean,

00:31:51.960 he's saying that he should be impeached. There is a real question about whether there should be

00:31:55.640 consequences for this judge. And, you know, yes, constitutional crisis, everybody will say it. But

00:32:00.700 this guy is way out ahead of his skis. And I agree with you when this moves up and the process has been

00:32:07.780 started and he he's allowing it to go forward. He's demanding answers to the Trump administration

00:32:11.600 that he's he get to second guess with the ACLU's questions, Trump's decisions on how to keep the

00:32:17.800 country safe, that the Supreme Court will rule in Trump's favor. But do you think something should

00:32:23.140 happen to this judge before that? Oh, without a doubt. I mean, the problem with impeachment of

00:32:28.140 judges, it's very hard. It's very arduous. I also think removal and impeachment are two technically

00:32:34.320 different things. I'd have to double check that because I think it still takes us. It's the same

00:32:38.500 threshold in the Senate as a conviction takes of a president because the president has been impeached

00:32:44.220 President Trump twice, both on BS total nonsensical stuff. So, yes, I mean, this judge should absolutely

00:32:50.420 be removed. But this is the problem that we're going to have with those four years that we didn't

00:32:55.900 control the White House is this is not a Biden judge. This was an Obama judge. But the district

00:33:00.920 courts are now filled with these radical left wing judges across the country that are just taking

00:33:07.480 turns trying to enjoin President Trump on everything that he is possibly doing. So absolutely, this judge

00:33:14.840 should be impeached. I think an example needs to be made out of him. And look, the example needs to be

00:33:20.660 very clear that that there's no merits to him trying to stop a foreign security operation. The president

00:33:26.620 should just shrug this off and say this is a complete waste of time. I also think that this

00:33:30.640 is a great opportunity for Mike Johnson and John Thune to maybe show some political muscle. But the

00:33:36.040 Democrats won't vote to impeach this guy in the Senate. Of course not. We can't get them to vote to

00:33:40.760 protect women's sports in the U.S. Senate, let alone vote to try to impeach a radical left wing judge.

00:33:48.700 And it is a disappointing moment in American politics. But it also shows and this is one that

00:33:55.180 I want to invigorate your audience for those of us that want to see the president succeed and that

00:33:59.380 are supporters of the president is that it just shows how desperate the Democrats have that they

00:34:04.200 are willing to go to such extraordinary, unprecedented measures to try and stop the

00:34:09.920 president of the United States. You do not see Trump appointed district court judges going to try to

00:34:14.300 stop or enjoin Joe Biden's foreign policy decisions. We had too much respect for the U.S. Constitution

00:34:20.240 regardless of how bad Joe Biden or his auto pen actually was for the United States. We said,

00:34:25.780 you know what, we're going to wait this one out. The Democrats, they have no such patience. They know

00:34:30.060 that they are losing their grip on power. They know that they are increasingly unpopular. So they're

00:34:34.880 going to even more dramatic and dangerous means to try to hold on to their illegitimate power. And I don't

00:34:41.020 think it's going to last much longer. It's amazing. You're right about, you know, they've got the

00:34:44.900 juxtaposition of not standing and clapping for the boy who beat brain cancer when he gets, you know,

00:34:51.320 appointed as part of the Secret Service, which was the most delightful, sweet moment. They couldn't

00:34:56.580 bring themselves to clap for him. But this hell they'll die on trying to get the criminal gang members

00:35:03.780 returned via flight back into the United States as after we've already gotten them out. Not only that,

00:35:09.980 but they're going to die on the hill of Mahmoud Khalil. Another debate I had with Glenn yesterday

00:35:14.120 where they're saying this guy, oh, you know, he was just this. It was all about free speech.

00:35:19.000 And as I said to Glenn, if this were just about Trump cracking down on Palestinian supporters,

00:35:24.540 he'd be arresting all these people in Dearborn, Michigan. He'd be arresting people all over the

00:35:28.400 country who rallied for the Palestinians who are on the other side. He'd be arresting Karen Atiyah

00:35:33.100 of the Washington Post who liked the tweet. This is what decolonization looks like. That's what

00:35:38.900 he'd be doing. The reason he's going after Mahmoud Khalil is because he was the spokesperson for the

00:35:46.240 group that held Colombia hostage. So the left is making these decisions to die on these very

00:35:53.960 interesting hills after that State of the Union where they already showed themselves to be heartless.

00:35:59.120 And I do wonder if you look at these decisions of like, you know, standing up for Mahmoud Khalil,

00:36:04.260 standing up for these Venezuelan gang members and, you know, whoever else Trump is deporting

00:36:09.580 who are not citizens. You cannot deport American citizens. That's not who he's deporting.

00:36:13.740 Whether they've calculated in any of the political blowback. And before you answer that,

00:36:18.820 just let me play this up from Caroline Levitt yesterday, describing some of who's going and

00:36:24.560 being booted out on these flights. They led a multi sex state sex trafficking operation involving

00:36:30.940 smuggling women into the United States, holding them in stash houses in Louisiana, Florida, New

00:36:36.400 Jersey, Texas, and Virginia, and forcing them into prostitution. And they kidnapped and murdered a 33

00:36:42.040 year old woman in Texas. They sexually and physically assaulted a woman and her daughter

00:36:46.260 in Wisconsin. They conducted a mass shooting in Illinois. Go ahead, Charlie.

00:36:53.000 It's just, no, I mean, it's just, is that all Caroline? Is there anything else you'd like to add?

00:36:58.740 I mean, at some point you have to just, you have to understand the political calculus of the Democrats

00:37:04.860 is so short-sighted. I wish that they would allow just very basic national security operations

00:37:11.080 that involve the worst of the worst. And yes, look, Trendy Aragua and their affiliated groups

00:37:17.980 are a foreign occupation in American soil. We've seen it in communities all across the country.

00:37:22.860 And let me also comment on that video of Bukele's people, troops receiving these Trendy Aragua

00:37:30.320 gang members. What a phenomenal deterrent. In fact, a new, a new report shows that border crossings

00:37:38.600 through the Darien Gap, which is a very difficult forest to navigate, which actually you have to

00:37:45.440 take from Venezuela eventually upwards all the way through Central America. The Darien Gap border

00:37:52.860 crossings are down like 95 to 98% approximation, meaning that all of a sudden not a lot of people

00:37:58.940 want to go from Venezuela all the way up to America. And yes, of course, the communist regime

00:38:04.180 of Venezuela has been proven multiple times through congressional reports and congressional testimony

00:38:08.500 and intelligence reports. Maduro has opened up his prisons and sent the worst of the worst of

00:38:14.480 Venezuela to America because it was open season. We were a littering ground for the third world.

00:38:20.100 In fact, crime was down dramatically in Venezuela during the four years of Joe Biden. While crime

00:38:25.960 went up in America, crime in Venezuela went dramatically down. And so we have to look at this through

00:38:30.700 in eyes of deterrent and precedent. It's an amazing deterrence. This will only further decrease gang

00:38:37.300 members and cartels. Say, I don't want to go to America. I might end up in an El Salvadorian jail.

00:38:42.300 Forget this. I'm not going to go there. Phenomenal. And then finally, precedent. I agree that the Trump

00:38:47.200 administration does not need to even get the Supreme Court to intervene. However, that will likely happen.

00:38:53.000 Regardless, the DOJ will probably end up appealing this and we will get another precedent. And so for both

00:38:58.320 on the deterrence and the precedent side, the President Trump's team has done a phenomenal

00:39:02.940 job. And also let me comment on the Mahmoud Kamil situation briefly. I thought you did great with

00:39:07.600 Glenn Greenwald. I sympathize with you 100 percent, Megan. I think the president is firmly within his

00:39:11.860 constitutional authority under the Immigration Naturalization Act. Secondly, I think he's making

00:39:15.840 the right decision. You're an invited guest in the United States of America and not a U.S. passport

00:39:19.840 holder. And you start actively involving in the fomenting of protest, outrage and activity against the

00:39:25.760 foreign policy interests of the United States, which involves the celebrating of the massacring

00:39:30.760 and the butchery of babies of the most heinous crimes against civilians and the Jewish people

00:39:38.120 we've seen since the Holocaust. Sorry, your invitation to the United States of America has

00:39:44.020 been rescinded. You are here on a conditional basis and we rescind you on the conditions that

00:39:50.140 you are now actively making America a worse place to operate and live. Go back to your country

00:39:54.960 of origin, Syria, I think it is, and go make that country great with all of your protest

00:39:59.960 vigor. But understand that the Mahmoud Khalil situation is a great test case because they're

00:40:05.000 suing that to eventually get a decision that President Trump is operating within his constitutional

00:40:10.700 authority. And actually, the authority actually goes to the Secretary of State as the Immigration

00:40:14.840 Naturalization Act is actually written. It's Marco Rubio's call. It's precisely on him.

00:40:19.840 And so they're being very smart about this, is that they're going to get really good court

00:40:24.640 decisions from the U.S. Supreme Court on this. It might take a little bit more time, but the

00:40:29.920 verdict will end up being that these radical left wing judges did nothing but slow down the

00:40:34.780 inevitable. And the Democrats end up siding with Hamas sympathizers and Trendy Aragua members.

00:40:40.860 There's quite a time to be a Democrat. Yeah, they keep talking about how he's a green card

00:40:45.240 holder. Well, all that means is that he's got a permission slip to be here that can be revoked,

00:40:49.960 unlike American citizenship, which cannot. He's here temporarily. We don't grant the same rights

00:40:55.200 to green card holders as we do to American citizens. They are not allowed to vote. They're

00:41:01.580 not allowed to do a lot. In most cases, they're not allowed to receive public assistance. There's all

00:41:06.300 sorts of things that you and I can do as natural born citizens that they can't. Sorry, they're on

00:41:11.660 probation until they become an actual citizen. And he violated his probation by acting like a mafia

00:41:18.540 thug going into the head of Columbia University and saying over and over, you divest from Israel

00:41:25.320 or you get more Hamilton halls. Goodbye, Khalil. Hope you enjoyed America while you had it. No one

00:41:32.280 gives a shit that you're married to an American or expecting an American baby. They do not give you

00:41:36.920 the right to stay here. And by the way, everybody's like, oh, he's married to an American. That's why

00:41:41.480 he got his green card so fast. No, I don't know how this guy got his green card so fast. I'd actually

00:41:46.420 like to find out. Because let me tell you something. I've said this before. My nephew, who's an American,

00:41:51.680 he's the son of my sister, married. He went over to teach kids in Korea, you know, like kids like

00:41:57.240 young teachers will do. And he did that for a couple of years and he met a Korean woman and he fell in

00:42:01.460 love with her and they got married and they had a baby who had dual citizenship. And in any event,

00:42:05.600 they wanted to move back here. So my nephew came back with his son, but his wife, who's a lawyer

00:42:12.060 and married to an American citizen, but not a U.S. citizen and whose son is an American citizen,

00:42:17.240 but she's not an American citizen. It's been taking her years, years just to get a green card,

00:42:23.720 not never mind American citizenship. And they have nothing like Mahmoud Khalil's very sketchy

00:42:31.060 history, like working for UNRWA, which is an arm of Hamas. She's still having trouble getting the

00:42:36.980 permanent work paper. So something is sketchy about that guy's case, Charlie.

00:42:41.960 I think we can conjecture why he got his green card so quickly is that there are anti-Jewish,

00:42:49.880 anti-Israel forces within the State Department that likely wanted this individual here. Again,

00:42:55.340 we're just hypothesizing, but you're exactly right. I mean, you look at Riley Gaines's husband who has

00:43:01.700 been trying to get U.S. citizenship and his paperwork all figured out. And it's been a nightmare

00:43:06.560 for quite a while. I mean, we can go through the list. We all have examples of friends and family

00:43:11.360 of people that have tried this, people that are phenomenal and they marry American citizens and

00:43:15.560 they follow the law and they're well-educated and they're great patriots. And nope, you can't get them

00:43:20.740 a green card or a temporary citizenship or citizenship, whatever status you want. You have

00:43:26.100 to wonder, again, I think a proper investigation is warranted and Marco Rubio can look at this.

00:43:32.100 Was there a fast track? Was there an accelerated process that was put into place for Mahmoud Kamil

00:43:40.220 because he was trained as a professional agitator and organizer? Now, when we look through the left-wing

00:43:48.420 literature, if you look through the left-wing literature, there's documents such as Good

00:43:53.960 Trouble and many of these organizations, they use a hub-and-spoke model where they believe that

00:43:59.760 a singular agitator or organizer will be able to mobilize 500 to 1,000 people during a moment of

00:44:07.540 mass protest against quote-unquote injustice. We see this in the actual Alinsky literature. This is in

00:44:13.300 their training and their guidebooks. You have to wonder if Mahmoud Khalil was put into Columbia

00:44:19.660 University for the stated purpose of being a professional agitator against the United States

00:44:25.800 and against Israel and was given a green card for that reason. And was there any suspicion acceleration

00:44:32.820 by the Biden State Department? We don't know. It's worthy to look into, but it would not shock me or

00:44:39.060 surprise me that anti-American forces did this on many college campuses, Megan. What if we were to

00:44:44.500 find out that there were 20 identical type of Mahmoud Khalil, foreign-funded, foreign-trained

00:44:50.020 people that were put on American college campuses, maybe at UCLA or some of these other massive

00:44:55.960 encampments? I saw the UCLA one firsthand or the one at University of Washington where they were able

00:45:01.160 to gin up all these well-meaning college kids that have been indoctrinated by their professors.

00:45:06.380 It's worthy to look into, and it also begs a broader and deeper question. How often, if at all,

00:45:13.060 is the American immigration system being used to aid our enemies to create sometimes very quiet or

00:45:20.260 sometimes loud sleeper cells in the interior of the United States to sow discord and disharmony

00:45:27.080 against the best interests of our country?

00:45:29.080 Yes, Charlie. This guy got his student visa to come study at Columbia in 2022, but his petition for

00:45:37.820 relief on these deportation proceedings alleges that he got his green card in 2024 and it suspiciously

00:45:45.980 does not say the exact month in 2024. It could have been an 18-month turnaround from student visa to

00:45:53.880 green card holder, which is some kind of bizarre fast track, right? Especially for a guy who was

00:46:01.140 working for UNRWA, the UN group that basically helps Hamas. I mean, truly, even Joe Biden admitted

00:46:07.100 that and started defunding them post-10-7. And that's where he came from. That's where he was

00:46:11.980 before he got into Columbia. So there's something very sketchy about this guy. And now he's represented

00:46:16.820 by 19 different law firms. I mean, they couldn't get to his defense fast enough to try to stop

00:46:25.260 the Trump administration from deporting this guy. And it's amazing to me to watch the left delude itself

00:46:31.340 that this guy still has some shot at American citizenship. No, that ship has sailed. Mahmoud Khalil

00:46:38.720 will never be a U.S. citizen. It's done. The only question is whether we can kick him out, which we

00:46:43.720 clearly can. All of it is just so infuriating. And I know the left wants to say it's free speech,

00:46:48.500 it's free speech. It went well beyond free speech. The people who just said, we hate Israel,

00:46:52.500 we stand with the Palestinians. They're fine. That's fine. That's totally fair game under

00:46:56.740 our First Amendment. You can even say, I'm sympathetic toward Hamas, though you're getting

00:47:01.620 closer to espousing support for terrorists there. But go ahead. But no, I just want to make one point,

00:47:06.420 which is that if an American citizen goes and burns a flag on a college campus, that's grotesque and

00:47:12.320 it's bad. And that is constitutionally protected. But if someone on a green card, which is a

00:47:17.660 permission slip, it's probationary, as you perfectly said, it's a time for us to see who this person is

00:47:22.840 goes and burns an American flag. No, you should be returned to your country of origin. Sorry,

00:47:27.440 you failed the test. You shouldn't be here. Like you're here to try. You failed your tryout.

00:47:32.640 Your job interview is an F. And so they do not get the same protections. Of course not.

00:47:38.240 We're looking at them. We're seeing, are you going to make a good citizen? We have such a perverted

00:47:43.240 and just such a left-wing view of how immigration should work. We have to reanalyze and go back to

00:47:51.080 first principles that people who come here as immigrants, they are here as invited guests

00:47:56.560 to enrich the homeland of the country and to make our lives better and to make the lives of native

00:48:03.020 citizens better. And if their lives are also made better in the process, hopefully they are,

00:48:07.480 then everybody wins. And that is immigration at its best. Like the example of your nephew's wife,

00:48:12.660 of course you'd make America a better place. Those are the types of people that we want

00:48:16.060 in the United States of America. She would not be going to Columbia University burning an American

00:48:20.160 flag. So I think that we need to take a step back and say, if you are here as an invited guest

00:48:25.200 and you act in a way or you espouse beliefs such as burning American flags or doing these types of

00:48:32.620 practices, we're not going to throw you in a prison cell, but you will have to fly coach back

00:48:40.640 to Damascus. That's only fair. That's only fair. So the thing about this group that he was the

00:48:48.520 spokesperson for, the Columbia University Apartheid Divest, they put in writing that they're for the

00:48:53.260 end of Western civilization. They want to end Western civilization. So Marco Rubio was exactly,

00:48:59.320 that's, that's the group for which he decided to be a spokesperson. Oh, it's just free speech.

00:49:02.680 Okay. No, it's different. If an American citizen says something, that's one thing you can't deport him

00:49:08.520 for saying controversial stuff, even like that. But a probationary person who's asking to be a U.S.

00:49:14.360 citizen has the same standard applied to him as somebody who's seeking to, to enter the country in

00:49:20.780 the first place. If you could exclude him based on the behavior you're looking at, you can deport him

00:49:25.480 based on the behavior you're looking at. And Marco Rubio had it exactly right. We would not allow

00:49:30.040 somebody into this country if we understood that their goal was to destroy Western civilization.

00:49:34.980 That would be a hard no. And if that's that guy's goal of the, which it is of the, the group he joined

00:49:40.540 and became a spokesperson of it's done. You, I had this debate with Glenn yesterday where we were

00:49:45.040 talking about, I believe he did commit crimes by being the spokesperson for this group and that would

00:49:49.060 get him deported crimes will get you deported. But even if they're not charged, even if they're

00:49:53.100 not charged, if the government can go in there and say, we see there's probable cause to believe

00:49:56.580 you committed these, these crimes, you're out and speech that espouses or supports terrorism

00:50:02.140 while you're a probationary citizen can get you kicked out. And, uh, if Marco Rubio in his

00:50:08.300 discretion is secretary of state thinks that there's a reasonable chance you, you might have bad

00:50:12.780 implications for foreign policy. He can kick you out. It's just all sorts of different rules apply

00:50:16.640 to somebody like this than apply to us. Okay. Wait, I took the last word quick break more

00:50:21.280 with Charlie. After this, was it a good idea to go on Gavin Newsom's podcast? We'll talk about it.

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00:51:39.640 Charlie in not unrelated news, there's this case making the rounds today involving a doctor named

00:51:47.120 Russia, a lay we who's 34 years old. She's a Lebanese doctor. She was here on a visa. She's not a U S

00:51:56.740 citizen. And she just got the boot at Boston's Logan airport when she tried to get back into the

00:52:03.580 country because it turns out she was off going to the funeral of the head of Hezbollah while she was

00:52:10.860 overseas. And now she's yet another favorite poster girl of the left. They're very upset. She seems

00:52:20.280 that customs and border patrol didn't let her back in. Um, this is what sort of drew our attention to it

00:52:27.220 today. Uh, the white house, no, it was a Homeland security posted this picture. I know it was the

00:52:32.160 white house posted a picture of Donald Trump in the McDonald's apron, waving out the, you know,

00:52:38.260 out the window at McDonald's waving goodbye. And they're talking about this case. They write last

00:52:44.220 month, Russia, Allah way traveled to Beirut, Lebanon to attend the funeral of Hassan Nasrallah,

00:52:51.240 a brutal terrorist who led Hezbollah responsible for killing hundreds of Americans over a four decade

00:52:57.200 terrorist break. Um, this woman, of course, you'll be shocked, shocked to hear that she got into the

00:53:05.640 United States in 2018 on a student visa visa and became a professor at Brown university, which is

00:53:15.220 truly the most anti-Semitic university in America, more than Columbia. Uh, I say that

00:53:22.180 100% believing it to be true. She was a physician specializing in kidney transplants. So now the left

00:53:28.940 is pretending we really needed her because we can't find any of our own doctors who do kidney

00:53:33.540 transplants. We have to find terrorist sympathizers and let them teach at our, uh, universities with our

00:53:38.940 young people. Um, so she came here and, uh, did all the things I said. Then she left to go mourn

00:53:48.460 her favorite terrorist Hassan Nasrallah. And then when she tried to get back in, I'm sorry, but I just

00:53:56.940 love this case. It's so ridiculous. She got caught in a lift. Why don't, why did they just not take the L

00:54:03.340 like this one? Sorry. She got caught. You're going to have to know they're out there defending her.

00:54:10.200 Um, she was questioned by CPB officers on her way back in who searched her phone, which apparently

00:54:14.980 they have the right to do. Uh, when you're trying to get in and in the country, you're not an American

00:54:18.900 citizen. Uh, and so, um, they would not immediately admit her because they found sympathetic photos and

00:54:25.980 videos of prominent Hezbollah figures in a deleted items folder on her cell phone. So she knew she

00:54:31.880 should get rid of this, but she wasn't very good at it. She said, she's a political Charlie.

00:54:36.660 She didn't, she didn't really delete it because no, because those leaders are revered by many

00:54:42.820 Shia Muslims. Like you see, I, I don't love Hitler, but lots of other people do, which is why I have a

00:54:49.740 whole deleted file of Hitler photos on my phone. But I, I picture it with the court transcript.

00:54:56.860 Jeez. Right. Exactly. Just, you know, he's just an interesting figure. That's also, I,

00:55:01.280 not only do I watch the history channel about him, but I filled my phone full of photos of him.

00:55:07.780 So I have a lot of WhatsApp groups. She says with families and friends who send them. I am a Shia

00:55:13.300 Muslim. He is a religious figure. He has a lot of teachings and he's very highly regarded in the

00:55:19.360 Shia community. He's a religious spiritual person. As I said, he has very high value. His teachings are

00:55:26.480 about spirituality and morality. Okay. Just note to the listening audience. Um, he's a terrorist and

00:55:34.800 that's why he was killed in this Israeli, um, airstrike. He was in charge of Hezbollah for 32

00:55:40.760 years. And in case you don't believe he was a terrorist, he was designated as such by the United

00:55:45.960 States of America. In 1983, suicide bombing attacks against the first, uh, U S embassy in Beirut,

00:55:51.600 then the barracks of American and French peacekeepers, killing at least 360 people,

00:55:56.520 including 241 American service members. The murderous attacks were claimed by the Islamic

00:56:02.140 Jihad organization, considered a precursor to Hezbollah. Some of the suspected planners, uh,

00:56:08.840 included top commanders under Nasrallah. And I don't know, we could keep going. So he's a spiritual

00:56:14.620 and moral leader. And then when questioned about other photos, she had

00:56:19.360 of Iranian Supreme leader Khamenei, Alawi said, Oh, that's just typical of Shia Muslims.

00:56:29.900 It has nothing to do with politics. Asked why she appeared to have deleted some of these photos

00:56:35.200 just today before arriving in the U S she replied, because I don't want the perception,

00:56:41.080 but I can't delete everything, but I know I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm not related to anything

00:56:46.540 politically or militarily. I'm really not much into politics, but yes, she admitted she did know

00:56:53.520 about the U S terrorism designation for Hezbollah. Okay. So now the, um, law firm stepped in,

00:57:01.120 tried to rescue her from being booted out. She was detained for like a day while they figured out

00:57:04.940 what to do with her. The left-wing law firms ran into court. They got a decision

00:57:10.740 from an Obama judge, U S district judge, Leo Sorokin at 7, 18 PM on Friday evening saying,

00:57:19.740 don't deport her. Don't move her outside of Massachusetts. And at 7 20, two minutes later,

00:57:26.160 not knowing of the order, CPB walked her to the gate to get her on her flight out of here. And the flight

00:57:32.500 took off at, uh, it departed the gate at 7 43 PM. It took off at 7 59 PM. And now there's a meltdown

00:57:42.120 over why she got deported because apparently CPB shockingly, the U S government didn't have the

00:57:48.360 administrative setup to get this instantaneous notice that she was not to be sent out, but she

00:57:53.640 was. So what do you make of it? Well, again, I think the president and his team are operating

00:57:57.840 with phenomenal precision of the right cases to go after, to set the right precedent. I mean,

00:58:03.560 just the idea that you would try, I want everyone to understand. So she, she teaches at Brown or she's

00:58:08.560 affiliated in Massachusetts somehow. It's not as if that the funeral that she was visiting was in

00:58:14.160 Richmond, Virginia. She went halfway around to the other side of the planet. Okay. For a funeral for

00:58:20.780 the Hezbollah leader, this, this is not exactly, by the way, not exactly the nicest time of year to go

00:58:26.860 visit that region of the world. Uh, Lebanon is not exactly like going to Turks and Caicos. Okay. You

00:58:34.740 gotta know somebody to even get in. And it's, it's very suspicious. Okay. This whole thing, like, let's

00:58:39.380 just understand the contextual elements here that you got to like connect through Istanbul. And then

00:58:44.160 you're like, you're on your own. You got to take a train through the night and she do all that. Like,

00:58:47.840 oh yeah, I'm not political BS. You're obviously a sleeper cell of a foreign government and way to kind

00:58:55.460 of expose yourself to the entire world that you, you go all the way to this funeral and like, yeah,

00:59:01.280 I really have, have no ties to them. And I, I did take a bunch of pictures with every single one of

00:59:07.320 the mass murdering lunatics of Hezbollah. These types of people that have any connection to terror

00:59:13.600 cells have no place in the United States of America. If they are not us citizens,

00:59:18.800 they should all be removed immediately. And I support the Trump administration completely. And

00:59:23.980 again, it goes to show what the left is made of is that the left views the entire world through

00:59:29.940 oppressor and oppressed. We view the world through right and wrong, just and unjust and moral and

00:59:36.720 immoral. We look at this and we say that it is wrong. It is immoral. It is unjust for a country

00:59:43.380 to willingly accept and receive a visitor who wants to become a permanent citizen, who I don't know,

00:59:50.460 takes their PTO as a professor to go halfway around the world to a war-torn region, to go visit

00:59:58.300 the funeral of a Hezbollah leader, take pictures with all their top leaders, and then cry ignorant when

01:00:04.380 ask questions upon re-entry into the United States of America. She has no business being in our

01:00:10.020 country. And if she's such a qualified, you know, expert on kidney transplants, there's a lot of

01:00:16.560 demand for that in the Middle East. So she'll have a lot of work. That's for sure. Yeah. She's going to

01:00:22.980 go home and be with her people. I think she's going to be a lot happier over there. She should hang out

01:00:26.780 with Mahmoud Khalil. They'll get along great. Exactly. Don't send your child to Columbia. Don't send your

01:00:32.000 child to Brown. Do not send your child to Brown University. Over my dead body would my children

01:00:38.540 go to either of those institutions. Okay. Before we leave foreign policy, Trump fighting back against

01:00:46.380 the Houthis, who have basically just run roughshod over important waterways over in the Middle East.

01:00:52.560 And now he's saying, you know what? We're done with that. You're going to stop harassing U.S. vessels

01:00:57.480 and other vessels. And, um, there was, I, I'm just want to get the stats since October, 2023.

01:01:05.800 The Houthi rebels have attacked more than 100 merchant vessels and warships in the Red Sea with

01:01:10.080 hundreds of missiles, drones, and speedboats loaded with explosives. And now Trump is fighting back,

01:01:17.860 actually saying, you're not going to get away with this. We're going to put a stop to this.

01:01:21.440 And also warning Iran, we know you're behind all of this and we're going to hold you accountable.

01:01:25.660 Uh, we know it's not just this rebel group. Now, interestingly, your friend in mind, Tucker Carlson

01:01:33.100 weighed in on this on Twitter and said the following, it's worth pointing out that a

01:01:38.860 strike on the Iranian nuclear sites will almost certainly results in thousands of American deaths

01:01:43.900 at bases throughout the Middle East and cost the U S tens of billions of dollars. The cost of future

01:01:49.100 acts of terrorism on American soil, maybe even higher. Those aren't guesses. Those are the

01:01:54.740 Pentagon's own estimates. A bombing campaign against Iran will set off a war and it will be

01:01:59.680 America's war. Don't let the propagandists lie to you. Now, I think he's referring to what's

01:02:04.760 happening with the Houthis and Trump's increasing rhetoric against Iran. In fairness, he doesn't get

01:02:09.300 that specific, but what do you make of this? Because there is a large portion of the MAGA base that is

01:02:14.360 very non-interventionalist and does not want to saber rattle against Iran, even though they clearly

01:02:19.320 are backing the Houthis. Trump is a little bit more, he's not a neocon, but he's a little bit

01:02:24.120 more aggressive on like dropping the bombs on people like Soleimani than that wing of the,

01:02:28.400 of the party is. So how do you see this going? Yeah. I mean, look, the president is a masterclass

01:02:34.320 at being unpredictable and he's not ideological when it comes to foreign policy. That is the most

01:02:38.940 important thing you must understand with president Trump. And that's why he's the best peace,

01:02:43.640 peace president and the most effective commander in chief of my lifetime. And probably since Dwight D.

01:02:48.440 Eisenhower, where he doesn't come after it being from a very specific, abstract worldview of we

01:02:54.560 must be dovish or we must be hawkish. He looks at every independent situation, ways and measures

01:03:00.200 and says, what is best for the United States of America? I do sympathize with Tucker's view that a

01:03:04.900 war with Iran would be totally, would be terrible. And I think the president also agrees with that.

01:03:10.560 By the way, the president not once has signaled either in his campaign addresses, in his first term,

01:03:15.500 that he wants a kinetic hot war with Iran. What does have some people worried is the mobilization

01:03:21.240 of three, I believe it was three aircraft carriers or naval ships towards Iran, towards the Strait of

01:03:26.380 Hermes, which is all about shipping lanes. I think that's perfectly justified.

01:03:29.620 Just to clarify that, our retaliatory strike on them, carried out by jets from the carrier,

01:03:36.720 Harry S. Truman, per Reuters on Sunday, at least 31 were killed. Keep going, Charlie.

01:03:41.300 Right. And so the, uh, I think that's the, the, the Houthi strikes, right? Not the ones on

01:03:47.100 mainland Iran, if I'm not, which have not happened and hopefully will not happen.

01:03:52.600 And, and so then there's a mobilization of some of, of a naval fleet as well. So, so I take the

01:03:58.460 president's view on this, which is what is best for the United States of America, while also

01:04:02.940 understanding that Iran getting a nuclear weapon is a non-negotiable. Understand this is an incredibly

01:04:08.860 difficult balancing act that president Trump has to perform here. He has three simultaneous and

01:04:14.620 probably even four simultaneous difficult Nobel peace prize level accomplishments that he has to

01:04:23.200 do simultaneously. He has to end the Russian Ukrainian war. He has to figure out the Gaza situation with

01:04:29.060 Israel, which is just so sad. And it's very difficult. I'm of course on Israel's side, but it's a terrible

01:04:34.860 situation. Gaza has become a slum literally. And I don't say that in a pejorative way. It is just,

01:04:40.500 it's like Armageddon. It's, it's a terrible place. Unfortunately, number three is this Iranian

01:04:46.900 situation. Number four is China with Taiwan. He's inherited from Joe Biden chaos and the world

01:04:52.300 viewing us as weak. And they're not really sure what America's role is here. And so the way I

01:04:57.360 interpret this is that president Trump is not a neoconservative. He's not a nation builder.

01:05:02.540 He's not an empire builder. He has campaigned on peace through strength, but it's time for us to

01:05:08.500 kind of show that America's muscle is still alive, that we do still have the capacity and the ability

01:05:15.700 to mobilize ships, to launch missiles, to be able to execute airstrikes or else our enemies will think

01:05:22.400 that, Oh, you know, America will not intervene and America won't get involved. And we can go after

01:05:27.620 American interests or even America troops overseas. The biggest of all of them though, and we cannot lose

01:05:33.480 sight of it will be the sun setting and the ending of the Russian Ukrainian war. President Trump deserves

01:05:40.040 phenomenal credit as he is beating back all the neoconservatives, even entertaining of which I think is

01:05:45.780 really smart. The recognition of Crimea as Russian territory that has been Russia's historically, it's where

01:05:52.640 Russian wine is from. It's where the Russian fleet was, uh, was centered and headquartered for hundreds

01:05:57.920 of years. It was only ceremonially given to Ukraine. I think in 1954 as a gesture to try to show Russian

01:06:05.160 Ukrainian unity after world war II, all of that aside, the fact that the president is entertaining

01:06:11.140 that is a big blow to the neoconservatives. And it goes to show that president Trump really wants this

01:06:16.720 Russian Ukrainian war to end, which I think is the most important of all of them. But he has a very

01:06:21.880 difficult task ahead of him because he needs to make sure that our enemies fear us without wanting

01:06:27.240 to go into another boondoggle of our Iraq or Afghanistan war, Afghan war. He has to try to

01:06:33.060 prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon while president Biden gave them tens of billions of dollars

01:06:38.600 of probably direct aid and hundreds of billions of dollars of tariff and sanction relief while

01:06:43.760 simultaneously understanding that a military strike against mainland Iran would be catastrophic and

01:06:50.360 terrible for our country getting involved in potentially an Iraq war 2.0, which I don't support

01:06:56.140 and you don't support. So I'm going to trust the prudence and the sophistication of president Trump

01:07:01.540 to be able to thread all of these needles. Praise God that he's actually being able to make all these

01:07:05.660 decisions because he comes through everything through a strictly America first citizen first perspective.

01:07:11.640 I see it as a brushback the same as I hate to use a sports analogy since I know very little about

01:07:17.060 that arena, but, um, I see it as like when the pitcher, that's right, you know, almost hits the

01:07:22.260 batter with the ball, like get back from the plate. That's what he's doing with the Houthis to Iran.

01:07:26.780 Like a little, a little chin music. That's right. Exactly. Like you better watch it. Uh, and just to,

01:07:32.240 just to tell the audience what exactly he said, he, um, in part said the following on a truth social

01:07:39.240 post talked about how weak Biden was with the Houthis and how us ships are not able to sail,

01:07:46.640 uh, through the Suez canal, the Red Sea or the Gulf of Aden. And, uh, said the last American warship

01:07:51.720 to go through the Red Sea four months ago was attacked by the Houthis over a dozen times.

01:07:55.980 This will not be tolerated any longer. We will use overwhelming lethal force. Uh, the Houthis have

01:08:00.740 choked off shipping in one of the most important waterways in the world. And he says, no terrorist force

01:08:04.800 will stop American commercial naval vessels from freely sailing the waterways of the world

01:08:08.080 to the Houthis terrorists. Your time is up. Your attacks must stop starting today. If they don't,

01:08:12.420 hell will rain down upon you. Like nothing you've ever seen before to Iran support for the Houthi

01:08:17.240 terrorists must end immediately. Do not threaten the American people. Their president who's received

01:08:21.980 one of the largest mandates in presidential history or worldwide shipping lanes. If you do beware

01:08:25.680 because America will hold you fully accountable and we won't be nice about it. Okay. So that's where we

01:08:31.220 are on the Houthis yet another area of the world. We got to keep our eye on again, not caused by Trump

01:08:35.560 trying to be addressed by Trump in a way that stops the nonsense. He's absolutely right. Why should we

01:08:40.760 be like kept out of these waterways by the Houthis? This is bullshit. Anyway, no one wants a war with

01:08:46.240 them, but why should we just seed the three waterways in the world because of these, you know, terror

01:08:51.500 offshoots. Okay. Got to get to Charlie Kirk as the inaugural guest on the Gavin Newsom podcast.

01:09:00.180 And of course you did a great job. And of course you made news with him on his own podcast by getting

01:09:05.100 him to admit that it's unfair to allow boys to compete against girls and girls sports, which was

01:09:11.480 great. You were your typical on point substantive self and he couldn't resist giving you what is such

01:09:17.580 an obvious point and one on which even the Democrats are with him over 70%, even though lawmakers won't

01:09:23.460 admit it. But here's what, here's what I said on it. You know, I love you and I love Steve Bannon too.

01:09:28.120 I don't like to see it because my own feeling is this guy's in training for 2028 against JD.

01:09:35.620 Probably that's what, that's what we think, uh, will likely be the standard bearer for the Republican

01:09:39.440 party. And he needs practice. We saw that when he debated Ron DeSantis on Hannity, he needs practice.

01:09:44.980 He's not very good at it. Um, and we should not be helping him that like the more times he sits

01:09:50.800 across from Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon and any of our sort of lead fighters, the better he will get,

01:09:57.560 the better he'll do, the more he'll understand how to appeal to people who are more right wing or

01:10:02.700 independently minded, but, but on the right. And, uh, he doesn't deserve our help and, uh, we shouldn't

01:10:09.820 be in there like giving him the assist. So explain to me why you disagree.

01:10:14.640 Well, first, I mean, understand being the inaugural guest, it wasn't really even sure what I was going

01:10:18.900 into. Right. Because at the, at the front end, it was like, Hey, you know, there'll be no,

01:10:23.640 you know, gotcha questions. It'll just be a discussion, which was largely true. And secondly,

01:10:29.140 when, when, when you arrive and they tell you all this stuff, they're like, Oh, you know,

01:10:34.280 his son is a fan and all that. It was like, so over the top, like charm offensive. I was like,

01:10:39.320 are you going to want to become a member of turning point or something? Governor Newsom.

01:10:42.400 It was like over that. It was like almost like nauseatingly positive, right? That in that way,

01:10:47.820 it was very difficult to navigate. I will say, I, if you look at Gavin Newsom's numbers,

01:10:52.200 there's a newsweek article though, his numbers are down dramatically as far as favorability, trust,

01:10:56.860 authenticity. Since he started this podcast, it's not going very well for him of how people view him.

01:11:02.380 So for that, I will say that I think we have done a good job of exposing him for me,

01:11:08.240 the synthetic fraud that he actually is. I will give him credit for having the discussion. Great.

01:11:12.940 They didn't edit any of it. That deserves credit because they very well could have edited the trans

01:11:16.960 thing out. But I do understand complete where you're coming from Megan. However, I would just

01:11:21.600 view it a little bit differently. I don't think that Gavin Newsom is getting his spring training to

01:11:26.720 become a presidential candidate. I think he's actually being exposed as someone who will not be able

01:11:32.180 to get through a Democrat primary. He's making a very calculated bet that no one's going to remember

01:11:37.400 that he was a failed governor, that no one's going to remember that he literally has no

01:11:40.520 accomplishments, and that he's going to try to run to the middle and to be able to take his

01:11:44.300 Democrat base for granted. The Democrat base as exhibited as how they're acting in the streets

01:11:51.460 and how they're acting in Congress is not moderating on these issues. In fact, I think this podcast

01:11:56.680 might be ending Gavin Newsom's presidential ambitions, not preparing him for his presidential

01:12:02.340 ambitions. Again, all this is just speculation and conjecture. And then I will also speak just for

01:12:06.760 myself personally why we decided to do it. Being the first guest, we consider that to be a pretty cool

01:12:11.740 opportunity to be able to sit down and disagree and even debate at times with the governor of the

01:12:17.600 world's, you know, the largest state, the fifth largest economy in the world. And I do think that

01:12:24.120 sitting down and being able to educate, which was well over 30 or 40 million people that ended up

01:12:30.380 consuming our conversation, which was the most listened to so far of all the ones, of people

01:12:34.980 that were in the middle and people that were at least politically curious, I think was really

01:12:39.420 helpful. I got text messages from people in the tech world, CEOs, some of the wealthiest people on

01:12:44.200 the planet, also just rank and file normies, if you will, people that aren't exactly as politically

01:12:48.980 engaged as you and I are, Megan, that were very, that were persuaded far more of the presentation

01:12:55.740 of ideas that I presented far more than what Gavin did. And so the final point I'll make is this,

01:13:01.180 is that it wasn't just about Gavin. It was also about the tens of millions of people that were able

01:13:05.720 to get their eyes open and say like, yeah, why didn't Gavin go stronger on the trans sports issue?

01:13:11.140 Or why didn't he do this? And now Gavin Newsom, I could say this, you're seeing this,

01:13:15.440 like you're seeing this all across the board. He is under nonstop siege and he's handling it all

01:13:22.480 wrong. In my opinion, instead of doubling down and being like, you know, I'm going to keep on

01:13:27.480 going to war against the Democrat party. He keeps on doing these podcasts with, you know, people like

01:13:32.940 us and trying to like win favor with us when in reality that's not happening. He's becoming more

01:13:38.360 unpopular with his own base. He's becoming least trusted with moderates. People look at him as a

01:13:43.700 synthetic and as a fake. And I have no regrets of dialoguing with him.

01:13:48.920 So do you think more conservatives should say yes to him?

01:13:52.880 Only if they come after it in the way that I think we did without being overly braggadocious.

01:13:58.560 I think we were polite, but we were incredibly disagreeable and firm. And we were willing to

01:14:04.040 challenge him and ask him questions about issues and get him on the record. If you notice,

01:14:09.740 that's what we did with the trans thing. It wasn't just like, hey, let's have a discussion.

01:14:12.780 I asked him a direct policy question. No. And so that's the only condition that I would say

01:14:19.260 is that in so far that it's not just kind of a bro session of like, hey, so good that Republicans

01:14:25.000 and Democrats are talking. I don't think that's helpful for anybody. But the next time someone

01:14:29.600 sits down with him, ask him an update. Hey, Governor Newsom, you said with Charlie Kirk that

01:14:34.120 you think it's not fair. You have yet to do anything about it. Sign an executive order.

01:14:38.380 Talk publicly about it because a young man named A.B. Hernandez is about to win the long jump

01:14:44.080 championship in California as a biological man. Why haven't you done something about it? Or are you

01:14:48.800 just doing this podcast for clicks to try to make yourself seem more moderate? If Republican guest

01:14:53.140 after Republican guest goes with that kind of attitude, be polite and firm and hold him to the

01:14:58.240 standard that he is setting on his own show, that will even collapse his political ambitions even

01:15:03.520 further. That's interesting. I guess I'm still in the camp of don't help him. Don't don't help train

01:15:10.660 him and don't help build his media brand, because there's also a possibility what he really wants is

01:15:15.840 to be Charlie Kirk and not Donald Trump, that what he really wants is to be the next Bill Maher with an

01:15:23.220 audience that's large and that can appeal to both sides. And maybe that's his next invention. Either one

01:15:29.760 I'm against. And so I'm just not in favor of it, notwithstanding the fact that you did a great job

01:15:35.220 and made a lot of news. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Well, Charlie's got to run. It's a

01:15:39.900 pleasure as always, my friend. Good to see you. Thanks for being here. Thanks, Megan. Talk to you

01:15:44.000 soon. Thank you. Okay. But before we leave the topic of Gavin Newsom, let me give you some of those

01:15:48.340 numbers that Charlie was referencing because they are brutal. Capital Weekly, a nonprofit publication

01:15:53.840 covering California politics, did a poll of 100 or a survey of 1000 Californians and had them watch

01:15:59.460 clips of Newsom's interview with Charlie. The podcast only made 13 percent of voters have an

01:16:05.280 improved perception of the governor. 26 percent said it harmed their perception. 58 percent said

01:16:11.340 made no difference. Among self-identified liberals, 37 percent said that the snippets harmed their

01:16:18.860 perception of the governor. So in other words, 26 percent overall said it harmed their perception of

01:16:26.980 him. And among liberals, 37 percent said it harmed my perception of the governor. Among those who have

01:16:34.720 very favorable opinions of Gavin Newsom, he lost 16 percent. So he went from people who liked

01:16:44.020 Gavin Newsom, liberals, saying I have a very favorable opinion of him. At 46 percent, it fell to 30 percent.

01:16:51.740 So Charlie's correct. He's hurting himself with his liberal base by doing these interviews of people

01:16:58.840 like Charlie and Steve and Michael Savage. It's because the thing about Gavin Newsom is he's not very

01:17:07.980 good at pushing back. So he's not going in there and doing battle with the Charlies and the Bannons of the

01:17:13.480 world. He's somewhat obsequious, to be honest with you. I mean, it's very strange because when you

01:17:19.440 listen to him, you would think like he's a moderate, but he's not. He's I mean, on the trans stuff and

01:17:25.260 virtually every other subject, he is as radical as they come. He is another Kamala Harris. But there's

01:17:32.060 something about him. Maybe he is a people pleaser, you know, a vintage politician when he gets across

01:17:37.580 from our these are our warfighters. I truly like the three I mentioned. These are warfighters in a

01:17:43.540 rhetorical war. He feels the need to get their approval. That's how it feels. And he's getting

01:17:50.680 excoriated by the left press as a result. It's actually kind of amusing. We put together a butted

01:17:58.120 soundbite. Take a listen here. I thought that that was one of the most inauthentic things I have

01:18:03.540 seen Gavin Newsom do. Wow. Terribly, terribly. So you don't believe in him or let them hang

01:18:07.080 themselves there? No, I'm terribly disappointed. I think you meet energy with energy. And what he did

01:18:12.380 was he showed his pretty white teeth and his cute face and did nothing other than that. And I think

01:18:18.000 it's despicable. I texted him about that. I'm like, what are you doing? And I used other words,

01:18:22.820 but, um, it wasn't challenging people who are actually famously trollish and say lies and things

01:18:30.780 like that. If you don't push back on lies, they exist. I always thought he was kind of a,

01:18:35.560 he'll be whatever he needs to be politician. This is way worse. Look, there are many of us that

01:18:41.120 actually, I'm not saying this for sympathy, but basically sacrificed a career taking on people

01:18:45.660 like Steve Bannon. Democrats are ticked off, Adam. And there's no Republican that's going to go,

01:18:49.800 you're not California liberal. I like it. Amazing. Adam Kinzinger, I sacrificed a career

01:18:57.400 taking on people like Steve Bannon. Did you, did you really? I don't, I don't, that's not how I

01:19:03.100 remember it at all. You got Trump derangement syndrome. You decided to be a J six anti J six

01:19:09.760 warrior. You participated in the J six committee, which was completely dishonest and a show trial

01:19:15.960 and Republicans decided you weren't their cup of tea. It was not Steve Bannon's fault. Um,

01:19:21.880 in any event, they're, they're melting down on the left over what Gavin Newsom is doing,

01:19:26.360 which is kind of fun. I mean, it almost makes me want to see it continue, but not really,

01:19:30.300 not really, because, um, unlike Bill Maher, who definitely has a touch of the TDS,

01:19:35.740 but can be fair to Republicans, uh, the way Gavin Newsom governs is truly radical. I mean,

01:19:43.800 what there's nothing fair about the way he runs California when it comes to fairness to

01:19:48.340 Republicans, nothing, nothing. He's Scott, he's sided over and over with that lunatic Scott

01:19:54.680 Wiener, the one that Carrie and Brett and Brett have been chasing down all over California on his

01:20:01.160 radical trans ideology. I think he's only rejected that guy one time on his most crazy trans agenda.

01:20:09.040 And now he wants to come out and say like, Oh yeah, boys shouldn't be in girl sports. Like

01:20:12.840 Charlie said, well, what have you done about it? You loon that same guy in Massachusetts who I've

01:20:18.700 been railing on camera, Seth Moulton. Remember after the Dems lost in this past presidential

01:20:24.440 election, he was like, you know what? We've really gone too far. Boys shouldn't be playing against

01:20:29.380 girls. I have two daughters. You went, you go back. He voted against stopping that every single

01:20:36.080 chance he had. He's a U S congressman. He voted in favor of allowing boys access to girl sports and

01:20:42.000 girls private spaces every single chance he had. So it's like, that's great that you can now go on

01:20:48.480 a podcast or issue a press release saying you're on my side, but you, you govern, you legislate

01:20:56.560 180 degrees the other way. And I choose to look at what you've done, not your rhetoric when you're

01:21:03.680 across from a conservative or a reporter confronting you with polls that show everybody's on the side of

01:21:10.080 reason, which is to keep these boys out of these sports. All right. On that subject, we have a

01:21:15.420 special guest coming up next. Um, this is the first time she's spoken out and wait until you hear what

01:21:22.700 happened to her when it comes to her NCAA medal and who took it from her. I'm Megan Kelly, host of the

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01:22:33.260 Trump's executive order, keeping men out of women's sports was a victory for women and a huge step in

01:22:38.700 the right direction. But one female athlete does not think it goes far enough. Mina Svard is a Swedish

01:22:45.100 track and field athlete. And she wrote an opinion piece in the wall street journal that dropped

01:22:49.400 yesterday, laying out what else she would like to see done. And for good reason, Mina joins me now

01:22:55.440 for an exclusive interview. Welcome to the show, Mina. Great to have you. Thank you so much for having me.

01:23:00.240 Oh, my pleasure. Okay. So you are, you were born and raised in Sweden, but you came over to America,

01:23:07.080 um, for college, right? How did you make your way to the U S I started talking to a different,

01:23:11.780 to some different coaches in America about getting the chance to get a full ride scholarship and go

01:23:17.100 over there to, you know, experience the American way of doing things, getting the chance to get my

01:23:23.260 education while continuing my athletic career. Okay. So you decided to come over here to compete in

01:23:29.620 track and field that that's your sport. Yes, ma'am. And where did you go to school? I went to

01:23:35.560 a school in Texas, uh, at the time it was called Texas A&M university commerce.

01:23:41.280 Mm-hmm. And how was it going for you as an athlete? At this point, I'm not competing at the

01:23:48.420 same, same level at anymore. Um, I'm still practicing. How was it when, when you went to Texas?

01:23:54.080 Oh, when I went to Texas. Okay. Uh, it was, it was going really well. I had a great experience

01:23:59.880 until 2019, uh, at the national championship. But other than that, me as an athlete, I developed and

01:24:09.920 I, I, I did really good. Okay. So you wind up going to the NCAA championships, right? Like

01:24:18.160 explain what happened there. So in 2019, I qualified for, uh, the national championship and division two,

01:24:26.340 um, um, I was going to run the 400 hurdles, um, for a few weeks prior to getting to the competition.

01:24:34.500 I heard a lot of rumors going around that, um, I would be competing against the male competitor.

01:24:44.020 Um, so, you know, coming up to the competition, I was trying to focus on myself and making sure that

01:24:53.160 I got ready for the meet. Um, but yeah, showing up at the track competition, uh, one of the

01:25:02.480 competitors that qualified was a man, uh, took a spot from one of the females that would have been

01:25:09.260 able to be at the national championship. So that, that was a very shocking experience for me. It was

01:25:16.480 not something that I expected. When did you find out that this man, CC Tefler posing as a woman was

01:25:24.820 going to be allowed to compete against you? Personally, I found out, um, just a few weeks

01:25:31.560 prior to the actual competition. Um, I tried to focus on myself more, you know, because I can't

01:25:42.600 affect anyone else's results on the track. So I tried to focus on myself to make sure that I am

01:25:47.000 ready for whenever I need to be. Uh, but I heard it from teammates and other people in the track

01:25:53.400 community talking about it. So, yeah. And was there anything you, you could have done, Mina? Did

01:26:00.200 anybody say, well, you could challenge it or were they basically like, you're stuck with us, deal with

01:26:04.580 it. You're stuck with us, deal with it. So how did that make you feel? Because you had to realize

01:26:12.500 that, I mean, I'll look at this person and for the listening audience, it is very clearly a man

01:26:17.860 with male size, with male musculature. And indeed, CC Tefler was running and competing in track and

01:26:26.940 field as a man shortly prior to declaring himself a woman and running and competing against you.

01:26:35.180 Yes. How close in time was it?

01:26:39.300 Um, two years prior, he competed as a man. Yeah. And his stats were terrible. As I understand it,

01:26:50.580 he was in the mid three hundreds in terms of his, where he ranked in track and field at that point

01:26:55.640 as a man. Yeah. Somewhere around there. And then two years later, he won the national championship for

01:27:02.820 women. Something that we've been fighting for years. So he wins the national championship. Here

01:27:10.740 he is running the hurdles and he's way ahead of everybody. And I understand he won by some two

01:27:17.040 seconds, which is explain that to us. Cause that's like an eternity. That's the average viewer may be

01:27:22.920 thinking two seconds. That's not, but that in track and field, that's an eternity. Yeah. Look at the

01:27:27.660 video. We're not even in the picture when he's crossing the finish line and taking that moment

01:27:33.600 away from in this situation, me, but in other situations, any woman in that race that we just

01:27:42.820 watched. Are you the number two racer? Yes, ma'am. That was the year I placed second

01:27:48.660 at the national championship. What event was that? 400 meter hurdles.

01:27:55.660 Wow. So if he had not been allowed to race, that's you coming up behind him. You would have

01:28:00.580 been the gold medal winner. Yes, ma'am. I would have the first place finisher at the NCAA championships.

01:28:07.880 So this person, I mean, it's really unbelievable. You've got to go and look at the video because

01:28:11.820 you'll see that this is clearly a man. He's six foot two inches. He was born in Jamaica.

01:28:18.420 Now he goes by CC. His real name is Craig. Now it's been changed. First competed without success

01:28:25.040 in the men's division at Franklin Pierce university from 16 to 17. Um, and was again,

01:28:31.840 middling at best. He had terrible numbers. He was in the mid three hundreds place there until he became

01:28:37.480 suddenly quote a woman and then took first in the 400 meter hurdles in June of 2019. I mean,

01:28:44.420 right. Like days later, basically you decided he's a woman and there he is. And so when you stood up

01:28:50.900 there as a second place finisher, did you feel like you had to pretend this was fine? Like what was going

01:28:57.640 through your head there on the, on the podium, holding up your trophy? I tried to pretend like

01:29:03.520 everything was fine. I remember crossing the finish line and my, I started tearing up and I wiped it

01:29:09.820 really quick to try to hide it from everybody else. Because even though I knew a lot of people

01:29:18.240 felt the same way I did, no one spoke up, no one there to say anything. When we were at the meet,

01:29:24.380 you could feel it in the air that something was different in the speakers. They called out

01:29:29.700 that we had to show sportsmanship and that we, um, had to be inclusive. And that's something that I

01:29:37.000 hadn't heard at a national championship for the NCAA prior to what was happening at this meet. Um,

01:29:44.820 so you, I felt like I had to be quiet.

01:29:49.260 Mm-hmm. The, um, by the way, I looked it up. He was 390th among the NCAA division two men,

01:29:58.020 390th, and then suddenly declares himself a woman and he's number one and really loving the joy of

01:30:05.480 defeating all of the women as though it's some sort of a feat for somebody who's been through male

01:30:10.200 puberty and was running as a man two years earlier. It's just absurd. So what, what is it that you would

01:30:17.220 like now? Because we've got the Trump executive order, which is great. The NCAA's interpretation of

01:30:22.620 it and promise to comply with it is less great. You could drive a truck through the holes that they've

01:30:27.620 left, but it's something I guess. Um, so what would you like to see now?

01:30:32.720 I want NCAA to give back what was ours. The females that lost their trophies, their recognition,

01:30:42.500 their records, they need to get back whatever they deserved and take it from the men because men

01:30:49.680 have no place in women's sports. Uh, that is why we have two separate categories in sports because

01:30:56.620 we shouldn't mix that. Uh, and I, I also feel like it's really important that we actually make,

01:31:06.200 make sure that this don't happen again. So the upcoming females don't have to deal with this

01:31:11.700 issue and they shouldn't have to go through this because when you're entering in this for in the

01:31:18.860 NCAA, when you're entering and competing there, you expect the NCAA to be there and protect you and

01:31:24.980 support you because that's what they're supposed to do. What would NCAA be without their athletes?

01:31:33.320 So why wouldn't they want to make sure that we are safe and that we are protected and that we get

01:31:38.420 what we deserve? So, I mean, it's really amazing when you think about what they did to you and like all

01:31:46.700 women, I think you were told and probably raised to be nice, worry about this person's feelings,

01:31:55.420 you know, there's such a small percentage. That's what they always say, Mina, such a small percentage

01:32:00.140 of the country is trans. And, you know, this is just such a niche issue when it comes to athletics too.

01:32:07.460 Like, you know, what, where's the harm? That's really what people like Megan Rapinoe,

01:32:13.700 soccer player who's already made her millions ask what's, what's the harm. And to that, you say,

01:32:19.560 what? It's everything that I fought for since I was four years old. I started track and field when

01:32:25.680 I was four years old. I knew that I wanted to go somewhere with this. I knew that I wanted to

01:32:29.820 become the best that I could. And that moment in 2019, I had worked for that moment for years

01:32:36.260 and it got taken away from me. And even though, yeah, you can get a trophy back. Um, you can get

01:32:45.120 the recognition now, but like the moment will be lost forever. So NCAA has done things to women that

01:32:53.240 will never be able to be completely fixed. But that's why I feel like it's really important that

01:32:59.200 people understand how severe this has been for women in sports. Yes. You were, even if you get the

01:33:10.440 medal back, you were denied the glorious joy of winning, which you earned. It is unfair, period.

01:33:21.340 Yeah. I can't imagine training for as many hours as you did, you know, just to have that feeling,

01:33:30.560 right? I'm not an athlete, but maybe you could describe it for me. What does it feel like when

01:33:34.680 you do cross first, when you were competing against other women, also fierce competitors,

01:33:39.140 and you, you beat them fair and square. Like, what does it feel like?

01:33:43.100 It's so many emotions at once. It's you, you bottle up all like the sweat, all the hard work,

01:33:54.380 all the tears, all the happy times in practice, like all of it, it just comes out at the same time.

01:34:00.920 And you feel when I, when I crossed the finish line in 2022, when I won the national championship,

01:34:08.260 I, I was so proud of myself. I, I didn't need, I, I, I don't think I can put words on how I felt.

01:34:17.960 It was, it was just everything that I had been wanting and worked for for so long.

01:34:26.960 And then you get this boost of confidence and a belief in yourself and a belief in hard work.

01:34:33.120 Like so much is gained by these young women, thanks to the glorious joy of winning. And that's

01:34:40.460 what's being stolen. That's part of what's being stolen. And it's not replaceable, whether you get

01:34:45.160 the trophy or the medal, or you don't, that's the bare minimum they owe you is your medal,

01:34:52.480 your first place finish and your recognition as the winner. Is there any chance they're actually

01:34:58.020 going to do it? I honestly don't know. I don't trust the NCAA no more. All of that went out the

01:35:07.100 window when I had to step on the track and compete against the man. Um, so my trust for them is

01:35:15.640 very low, but you can always hope. And that's what we're fighting for. We want it.

01:35:22.300 We want that to happen, but that's right. If it was, that's a different thing.

01:35:29.280 They could do right by you. Uh, CC Teflor has been a media darling. Craig, uh, went on CNN

01:35:35.940 after the Trump inauguration and tried to paint himself as a victim. Here he is in SOP 51.

01:35:43.560 How has life changed or has life changed since president Trump's inauguration?

01:35:52.680 Oh my gosh. So I'm black, I'm a woman and I'm transgender and I'm an athlete. Each of my,

01:36:00.240 my identities is an art is a target, especially in America. Prior to this set in stone administration,

01:36:07.940 I woke up every day and I face adversaries when I leave my house. Now it's, I wake up every day and

01:36:13.040 I have to make sure that I make it home alive. It's really sad to see people going out of their

01:36:17.560 way to make it known that you don't belong here. When you hear this man calling himself

01:36:24.900 a woman and trying to get our sympathy for him because he's a woman and has it so tough among all

01:36:30.940 these other challenges that are allegedly being targeted by the evil Trump, transgender and black

01:36:36.420 and a woman. What, what do you think? It makes me really annoyed. Um, because everything that I hear

01:36:47.620 is him expressing his emotions before all this time we have been asked, we women have been asked to be

01:36:56.420 quiet and keep our emotions quiet just to please someone else or another group of people.

01:37:02.960 So that makes me really frustrated. This is just for the listening audience, a post that he put up on

01:37:12.940 his Instagram, vacillating between his feminine and his masculine voice. Take a listen.

01:37:21.300 You saying that I look like a girl and sound like a girl is just not making no sense to me.

01:37:25.960 In the great words of Kiki Palmer and Maya Angelou, you know who you are and no one can tell you who you are.

01:37:42.840 Okay. The fact that that man has your metal is infuriating. And you know, the truth is, Mina,

01:37:53.660 that most actual trans people, people who actually genuinely have gender dysphoria is what I'm saying.

01:38:01.260 They would never use the man voice. They would be embarrassed to use the man voice. They,

01:38:06.460 so what that tells me is that more than likely, this is an autogynophile who gets off,

01:38:11.020 gets sexually aroused by dressing like a woman. It's not about gender dysphoria. It's about a

01:38:16.180 sexual fetish. And you lost your metal to that, that you were forced to participate in this man's

01:38:21.860 sexual fetish more than likely in that race. Who is standing up for you? Is there anybody at NCAA?

01:38:28.160 Is there any sympathetic person? Is there a lot? Like who is standing up for you?

01:38:32.780 Well, when it happened, since it was the first time it ever happened in the NCAA history,

01:38:42.580 everybody was kind of quiet about it. They didn't know how to react. My coaches were supporting me

01:38:51.380 at school. But other than that, we were just keeping quiet.

01:38:56.460 Are you thinking about suing the NCAA?

01:39:03.160 I don't know if I'm able to. I don't know if I can. But if I could, that would be something that I

01:39:12.020 might want to do. I would love to see it happen. And I'm sure our friends over at the Independent

01:39:18.420 Women's Council or at the ICONS group would be interested in kicking that one around. Mina,

01:39:23.440 I'm so sorry this happened to you. You did not deserve any of this. All your hard work,

01:39:29.280 blood, sweat, and tears earned you the first place finish. And we know you won that race.

01:39:36.580 Thank you for speaking up. Thank you so much for having me.

01:39:42.020 Wow. I don't know, guys. Maybe God had a more important race for Mina in mind. You know, maybe

01:39:49.000 he had a bigger challenge that he wanted her to step up to. And she's in the midst of it right now.

01:39:54.960 This, it's infuriating to me. It actually like makes me emotional. It's infuriating to me that

01:40:01.240 they are doing this to young women. Think of it. He is a sick person. He's sick. And they enabled it.

01:40:12.280 They enabled his mental illness and our unwellness to ruin that girl's life. And everything she had

01:40:19.260 worked for, it's infuriating. It has to stop. And I mean actually stop. Not just the Gavin Newsom

01:40:26.780 window dressing of, gee, I'm against it, but let me pass legislation allowing it just as soon as you

01:40:32.100 leave the room and before you got here too. It actually must stop. And people like Mina are going

01:40:37.580 to make it stop. Thanks to all of you for joining me today. We're back tomorrow with our friends from

01:40:42.280 National Review. See you then. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - March 18, 2025

Lawfare 2.0 Fighting Trump, and Sparring with Newsom, with Charlie Kirk, and Former Female Athlete Speaks Out ｜ Ep. 1029

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