The Megyn Kelly Show - Leaked Tucker and DeSantis Videos, and Taking Control of Our Health, with Stu Burguiere, Dave Marcus, and Darin Olien ｜ Ep. 546

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.980 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Happy Tuesday.

00:00:17.140 Well, another day and more leaked video. Media Matters, dropping another piece on Tucker Carlson.

00:00:24.000 I can't. Can you? I can't. It's so absurd, it's so absurd, it's so obvious.

00:00:30.000 Ah. Plus, someone's now leaking against Ron DeSantis, too. Boy, if you lean right, you better watch everything you say and do,

00:00:39.660 because somebody's probably taping you right now, waiting for you to stumble, or become a public figure, or just to hurt you in any way.

00:00:47.800 Okay? I think most people on the right already know that, and have been behaving accordingly.

00:00:52.660 But the thing is, most people on the right or in the center don't live their lives trying to ruin other people for their...

00:01:00.000 Casual moments. Only leftists think that's the way life works. So what's Fox News doing?

00:01:06.120 Joining me now is Stu Bergeer. He's host of Blaze TV's Stu Does America.

00:01:10.600 And Dave Marcus, a columnist and author. Dave writes for a lot of publications from The New York Post to The Daily Wire.

00:01:17.220 Welcome back, guys, to the show.

00:01:19.540 Thanks so much for having us, Megyn.

00:01:21.100 Thanks.

00:01:21.380 All right. Dave Marcus, where's the cigarette? What's going on? I thought you were bringing that back.

00:01:25.160 Good here. No, I'll tell you, I'm very grateful that Media Matters has stopped complaining about me smoking on TV and moved on to Tucker.

00:01:34.280 You know, I appreciate that greatly.

00:01:37.240 He's taking the heat for you.

00:01:39.400 I guess that's as good a place to start as anyway.

00:01:41.360 Okay. So, you know, I like to show the videos only so people can see how absurd this is.

00:01:47.300 And it does really raise a serious question of, is it Fox? Fox seems too smart to think this is bad for Tucker.

00:01:56.160 But they seem too smart to fire their number one star, too, and they did that.

00:02:01.160 So here's the latest post on Media Matters that I believe is meant to ruin Tucker, I guess.

00:02:07.260 It's unclear what he's talking about.

00:02:09.040 Just so you know, I don't know it any better than you do.

00:02:11.780 He's clearly lamenting some liberal at Fox News who may have pronouns in their bio.

00:02:18.760 Watch.

00:02:20.100 I was like, she's got a lot of liberals working over there. 0.89

00:02:23.420 And, you know, they see this as war.

00:02:25.780 And we're the main force on the other side.

00:02:28.860 And, like, that's crazy.

00:02:29.880 If you've got pronouns in your Twitter bio, you shouldn't work here because we can't trust you because you're on the other side. 1.00

00:02:36.500 And she goes, well, who?

00:02:37.480 And I said, I'm not going to name names because I don't know who did it.

00:02:40.040 And I'm definitely not going to cast dispersions on someone unfairly.

00:02:44.100 Just because you're liberal doesn't mean you did this.

00:02:45.960 It does mean you shouldn't work here.

00:02:47.740 And Roger would never put up with this shit.

00:02:49.500 Why would you do that?

00:02:51.560 Do you know what I mean?

00:02:54.100 They see this as war.

00:02:55.600 It's like, I'm not that.

00:02:56.960 I'm an actual liberal.

00:02:58.040 Like, I'm totally fine being like, our makeup artist is like a screaming lefty.

00:03:04.420 No, but I'm not that way.

00:03:06.160 You know, but they are that way.

00:03:07.900 And I said, I'm not ashamed of anything I said.

00:03:12.280 Do you now look like you recently had COVID?

00:03:15.180 I did.

00:03:15.680 Do you look fresh-faced and healthy?

00:03:17.080 But do you know what I mean, Justin?

00:03:18.880 I don't know.

00:03:19.520 If you've got, like, that horrible guy who was just horrible who was Judge Jeanine's guy, I couldn't – yeah, that guy.

00:03:29.760 He's like a screaming left-wing lunatic.

00:03:31.460 Why does he work here?

00:03:32.800 What?

00:03:34.540 He totally dicked over his anchor and then we expect he's not going to dick over the network?

00:03:38.300 Like, I don't have specific information on it, but I would – it's just – yeah, it's crazy.

00:03:44.380 I – you're feeling angry, aren't you?

00:03:49.060 You're feeling pissed off at Tucker for saying somebody who's so left and woke – that's really what he's objecting to.

00:03:55.740 Somebody who's woke shouldn't be working for a show like his or, you know, the Fox News channel.

00:04:01.360 I have no problem with that whatsoever.

00:04:03.040 Like, it's not – he's not saying you can't work at Fox.

00:04:05.960 That would be illegal to make a firing or a hiring decision based on that, though he's not in that position to hire and fire.

00:04:14.000 But he's basically saying, why would you work here?

00:04:16.100 This is not the ideological place for you.

00:04:17.860 You're not – you're going to be unhappy.

00:04:18.920 My whole life is spent railing against the woke.

00:04:21.500 By the way, same.

00:04:23.560 It's not that you're unhirable.

00:04:25.860 You could come work here if you're a trans person.

00:04:27.900 However, you're going to have to be okay with where I stand on this issue.

00:04:31.780 You're going to have to listen to it all day long.

00:04:33.440 And then you better not get any ideas about taping me or running out and making a stand based on the thing you signed up to do.

00:04:39.980 Stu, your thoughts?

00:04:41.980 Yeah, it seems like a basic function of a workplace, right?

00:04:45.760 You don't want to necessarily be fighting for everything you oppose.

00:04:49.260 I know it would be very difficult for me to go to, let's say, a trash heap like Media Matters and work there.

00:04:55.360 Right.

00:04:55.560 Mainly because I would question every day why I even existed.

00:04:58.340 But, I mean, I wouldn't want to be fighting to try to unfairly ruin people's livelihoods on the side of the argument that I like.

00:05:05.760 What sense would that make?

00:05:07.640 And, of course, if you go to Media Matters, you're not going to find lots of people who are on the conservative side of that arrangement,

00:05:12.780 despite the fact that they seem to be indicating they're opposed to that situation, right?

00:05:19.180 Like, the fact that someone who's mega woke is going to go to Fox is probably just not the place that they're going to enjoy their work.

00:05:26.380 And also, their employer is not going to enjoy it.

00:05:30.060 And, you know, I'm with you on this, Megan, in that, like, it seems so completely inept.

00:05:35.040 It's hard to believe that Fox is involved in these leaks.

00:05:38.840 You know, most of these leaks, I think, have come to the side of where you'd like Tucker Carlson more after listening to them,

00:05:45.560 realizing that maybe he is the exact same person behind the scenes that he is in front of the camera,

00:05:49.660 which is not always the case in the media, as we know.

00:05:53.700 You know, I think.

00:05:54.220 And yet, and yet, who else would be leaking this?

00:05:57.660 It's very clearly off of the Fox R-Dome system.

00:06:01.360 This is, I worked there for many, many years, 13 years.

00:06:04.240 You have an internal system.

00:06:06.140 This is how they caught, remember the woman, I interviewed her, who leaked the tape of Amy Robach.

00:06:11.760 She cut the tape, she didn't leak the tape, of Amy Robach saying, I had the Epstein story years ago.

00:06:16.320 They buried it.

00:06:17.480 And you could look at the system and figure out who cut it.

00:06:21.100 The system shows you everything.

00:06:22.620 You have to log in with your own ID number.

00:06:24.560 So there's no question that this was a Fox person.

00:06:27.440 And they must know who the person is.

00:06:29.540 Now the real question is, who did that person do it for?

00:06:31.980 And then who, who was in charge of the clips after they were cut?

00:06:36.120 I, you know, I've espoused my beliefs based on my own dealings with Fox.

00:06:41.040 And the, and the other thing is, not only do I believe it was obviously, you know, Fox,

00:06:44.880 and I have said publicly, I think it was Irina Briganti who runs comms,

00:06:48.280 who's got a long history of attacking talent.

00:06:50.060 But let's look at, I'll put this one to you, Dave.

00:06:52.740 Let's look at the first New York Times article that released the Dominion texts that Tucker

00:06:57.680 had, uh, been involved in that had been redacted for the litigation.

00:07:02.200 So only Fox and Dominion had access to those.

00:07:04.960 So it was one of those parties.

00:07:06.800 And it also included two tapes that would wind up on media matters of Tucker like this

00:07:12.800 on camera, but off air, but being taped.

00:07:15.040 Now there's only one party that I just mentioned that would have access to both of those things.

00:07:21.220 And it's not Dominion.

00:07:24.600 Yeah, no, look, I mean, it's a great point.

00:07:26.500 And I feel like, you know, at this point, we'll probably know the Supreme Court leaker before

00:07:30.460 we know whoever's, uh, you know, doing this leaking.

00:07:33.720 Um, maybe look at the Supreme Court marshal on the investigation of who's doing the Tucker

00:07:38.320 leaks.

00:07:39.080 Could be the same person.

00:07:40.280 I mean, maybe it's all Sonia Sotomayor, who knows, um, you know, I think Stu makes a

00:07:46.480 great point though, about this leaking.

00:07:48.480 And I think it's why we're all confused as to why anybody would think that this makes,

00:07:52.520 um, Tucker look bad is that what Tucker has and what really made him special.

00:07:57.920 And the reason that, that he and Fox were able to create this unbelievably impactful, um,

00:08:03.760 TV show together is that he's authentic.

00:08:06.100 I mean, anybody who's like sort of spent time with him, you know, I interviewed him for

00:08:09.460 my book and it's some of the most insightful stuff that's, that's in my book.

00:08:13.380 Um, he is who he is and that's kind of rare on TV.

00:08:18.680 Uh, and, and Stu's right.

00:08:20.500 I mean, this just shows it to you.

00:08:22.400 It's, it's absolutely baffling to me that anybody could think that this is damning at all.

00:08:28.220 I mean, it's, it's innocuous.

00:08:29.520 It's, it's, it's, it's very strange and, and, and it's unfortunate because like I said,

00:08:34.820 you know, what Fox and Tucker created together was something extremely special.

00:08:39.660 Um, and, and it really is a shame to see it, uh, end this way.

00:08:42.840 I guess it's, you know, not, not unheard of, but it's, it's sad.

00:08:46.480 Well, but I mean, it's more pernicious than that because it's clearly an active campaign

00:08:50.040 to destroy and word out of Carlson's camp to me today, uh, is they're extremely frustrated

00:08:57.280 that Fox is clearly slow walking the negotiations to try to keep him under wraps as long as possible.

00:09:02.820 They do not appear inclined to let him out of the non-compete at all.

00:09:06.920 They're trying to shut everybody up with non-disparagement and non-competition, uh, requirements.

00:09:12.580 So they want him to be quiet.

00:09:13.900 They wanted to be quiet about Fox.

00:09:15.520 They wanted to be quiet professionally.

00:09:17.020 Uh, that includes Fox, his executive producer, who they also canned, um, for no, with no explanation,

00:09:24.420 right?

00:09:24.980 This is a guy who's got a family to support to others to support.

00:09:28.080 And, um, so they're gone and, and Fox is not negotiating in good faith now as Tucker

00:09:33.720 has been looking to his allies to step up the pressure on Fox.

00:09:37.460 And I can tell you this, the pressure's working because we just got in Friday's numbers on the

00:09:43.900 Fox news channel and I've never seen anything so low.

00:09:45.880 Literally, I'm not exaggerating.

00:09:47.820 I've never seen numbers this low on Fox news ever.

00:09:50.540 And I joined Fox news in 2004 when they were being funded by the Christie lane commercials.

00:09:55.960 Okay.

00:09:56.620 It was, there were some lean days.

00:09:58.940 Uh, we were still number one back then, but that didn't say much because we weren't getting

00:10:02.140 a lot of eyeballs on the channel.

00:10:03.840 Um, I'll give you an example.

00:10:05.220 Okay.

00:10:05.520 Tucker's last week on the Fox news channel, his show averaged, um, 3 million in the overall

00:10:11.620 and they averaged almost 400,000 in the demo, 25 to 54, 377,000 to be exact on Friday, the

00:10:20.660 8.00 PM show got again, once again, he was averaging 3 million.

00:10:25.020 It got 1.284.

00:10:27.680 So we'll call it 1.3 million from 3 million down to 1.3 million.

00:10:34.060 And in the demo, again, it's let's call it 3.8 was 377,000.

00:10:38.980 Uh, let's call it 380,000.

00:10:42.520 They got 90,000.

00:10:44.380 Oh, 90, 90.

00:10:48.180 I've never seen you're getting to the point.

00:10:50.560 If you go below 50, you get what we call slashies. 0.97

00:10:52.980 Remember Abby, we used to laugh at the morning Joe crew.

00:10:55.340 Cause they'd get slashies every more, every day.

00:10:57.240 We're like, these people are so self-important.

00:10:58.580 They have fucking slashies. 0.94

00:10:59.840 Anyway, they're, they're looking at slashies potentially on the Fox news channel. 0.97

00:11:05.620 Prime time.

00:11:06.620 I realized it's Friday.

00:11:07.680 Fridays are never strong.

00:11:09.400 I'll get you Tucker's ratings on his last Friday.

00:11:11.940 They were, I think, triple this, but still 90.

00:11:15.180 No.

00:11:15.860 And by the way, they lost.

00:11:18.220 They lost on Friday in the 8.00 PM to both MSNBC and CNN.

00:11:23.400 It's you have to try hard to lose to CNN.

00:11:25.660 The nine and the 10.00 PM also lost to MSNBC.

00:11:30.020 The 9.00 PM only went up to 100,000 in the demo.

00:11:33.060 The 10.00 PM was back down to 94,000 in the demo.

00:11:36.100 So what happens is they lose eight, they hemorrhage at eight, and then they never recover.

00:11:41.100 The whole prime time is blown out still.

00:11:44.460 This is, I mean, that is a jaw dropping number.

00:11:47.560 It's hard to describe to people who aren't in this business what kind of number that is.

00:11:51.480 You know, I do a radio show every day with Glenn Beck, and people remember Glenn from his time at Fox News, and so much of this is so familiar.

00:11:59.740 But people don't really remember that before he was on Fox News, he did a little show over at CNN Headline News at 7 o'clock for a few years.

00:12:10.640 We were doubling those numbers in the demo at CNN Headline News, not even regular CNN.

00:12:16.860 And, I mean, 90,000 in the demo is catastrophic.

00:12:23.060 If you look back, and it's funny looking at the Dominion text that came out, they were panicking over a few people leaving to Newsmax for a while during the post-election aftermath.

00:12:32.520 I can't even imagine what is going on over there.

00:12:35.420 They must be running around panicking.

00:12:37.020 And maybe that explains the sloppiness of this campaign or this alleged campaign from people like Irina Briganti.

00:12:45.920 And I will say alleged because I don't want negative things leaked about my children to their school newspaper.

00:12:50.460 But, you know, I will say this is the type of campaign that looks terrible because they seem incredibly desperate.

00:12:59.240 This is not just the number one cable news channel.

00:13:02.960 This is the number one or number two overall cable channel month after month after month for years and years and years and years.

00:13:11.480 And they're turning out, you know, audiences that are similar to fish tanks at pet stores right now.

00:13:17.160 This is a real problem for them.

00:13:19.500 So I'm not a quick math person, as I assume you guys aren't either.

00:13:24.100 Otherwise, you wouldn't be journalists like me.

00:13:25.560 But a quick chicken scratch back of the envelope shows me Tucker's last Friday in the demo.

00:13:33.460 Again, that's the most important number, 25 to 54 year olds.

00:13:35.780 He got 270,000, 270,000 Tucker's last Friday.

00:13:40.280 Now they're at 90.

00:13:41.700 Even I remember that 27 divided by nine is three.

00:13:46.500 So what he's he was tripling.

00:13:49.380 They've lost two thirds of their audience.

00:13:52.300 He was tripling the number that they're getting here.

00:13:54.580 I'm so now they're in on all panics.

00:13:57.900 Do you say you wonder what's going on there?

00:13:59.320 Yes, they're in a panic and they're more than ever determined to keep Tucker silent.

00:14:05.300 They're like, oh, my God, we got to shut him up.

00:14:07.240 He's going to bring all those.

00:14:08.160 They don't get it.

00:14:09.560 Tucker's audience is mad.

00:14:10.920 They're going to stay mad and they're going to continue to punish Fox while it keeps him leashed.

00:14:17.140 The only hope they have is to unleash the guy and let him just use his voice elsewhere and try to treat him somewhat fairly now.

00:14:23.380 But here's the deal.

00:14:25.120 They I think this is extraordinary, Dave.

00:14:27.680 They put out their executive vice president of ad sales and their president of ad sales, marketing and brand partnerships.

00:14:37.680 They put them both out for an interview with Variety to tout how they're bringing back blue chip brands.

00:14:46.920 They're getting more advertisers in the 8 p.m. hour now.

00:14:50.240 So this is them trying to say we're better off without that loser.

00:14:53.780 We've gotten Procter & Gamble, which advertises products like whatever razor blades and deodorant and so on.

00:15:02.180 Ozempic is now is now, of course, advertising on the eight and some other like Miracle-Gro.

00:15:08.840 OK, so the fact that they actually put these two top ad execs out shows they're panicking.

00:15:13.800 They never do that to say it was a good idea.

00:15:18.440 Yeah, I mean, listen, the fact of the matter is that in this business, nobody's ever bigger than the outlet.

00:15:24.640 I mean, you know, even if you found the outlet, right?

00:15:27.400 I mean, we just watched James O'Keefe, who was the founder of Project Veritas, is no longer with it.

00:15:31.680 Like the outlet jealously guards its ability to to really spit anyone out.

00:15:38.180 I think the problem I'm just going to say for the record, I am bigger than the Megyn Kelly show as they cannot get rid of me and continue.

00:15:47.360 Well, you know, until you sell it.

00:15:49.200 Right. I mean, I take your point.

00:15:50.360 And of course, but like you could sell it to somebody.

00:15:53.180 I could sell Devil May Care Media.

00:15:54.900 I could sell my media company, but I can't sell the Megyn Kelly show without me.

00:15:58.700 Well, but, you know, but I don't know.

00:16:01.760 Like there's Project Veritas without James O'Keefe.

00:16:03.500 You know, my point is that Fox wants to make absolutely clear that the outlet is bigger than than any star player.

00:16:10.400 I think the problem here is twofold.

00:16:12.040 One, you know, the numbers don't lie, as you just say, but it's not just the audience.

00:16:15.900 It's the intensity of the audience.

00:16:18.280 I mean, anyone who ever went on Tucker's show knows that the difference between appearing on his show and any other show was night and day.

00:16:26.880 I mean, the first time you did it, as soon as you were done, your phone's blowing up.

00:16:31.700 The only thing I could ever compare it to is like when Rush Limbaugh would read one of your columns and all of a sudden, like your uncle's emailing you.

00:16:38.180 There was just clearly this.

00:16:39.580 You know what I'm talking about, Stu, right?

00:16:41.280 It was like people crawled out of the it was that big.

00:16:45.780 That's really hard to replace.

00:16:47.600 And I think that it engendered a kind of loyalty in his fans that where I think you're right.

00:16:53.320 They're going to look at any attempt to say, well, maybe we're better off without him with a real side eye.

00:16:58.200 It's it's a problem.

00:16:59.900 They need to let him out of his deal and let him talk, Stu.

00:17:02.620 I mean, the fans are not going to let up.

00:17:04.340 They're punishing Fox right now.

00:17:05.840 And Fox is banking on look at this week and we'll get to this.

00:17:09.400 We're expecting this huge influx of migrants down at the southern border as they get rid of Title 42. 1.00

00:17:13.740 They're banking on their fans requiring Fox News for information on things like that.

00:17:20.860 And they are kidding themselves because the conservative ecosphere is very large and vast.

00:17:26.880 And they don't need to get that information from Fox News anymore.

00:17:30.240 They have to somehow make amends with the upset viewers.

00:17:33.580 And the way to do this is not by trying to ruin Tucker and silence Tucker.

00:17:37.660 They haven't gotten that yet.

00:17:40.280 Yeah, I mean, at the very least, they deserve their listeners, their viewers deserve an explanation.

00:17:46.380 I mean, even if it's a lie, at least tell us something about what's going on.

00:17:51.500 You know, these people built your network.

00:17:53.960 I mean, Bill O'Reilly was a big star.

00:17:55.200 He's on there for 20, 30 years of number one.

00:17:57.840 You know, Tucker comes in and does a good job.

00:18:00.040 It's a very difficult thing to step in and replace somebody like that.

00:18:03.020 Does a good job.

00:18:04.120 Keeps the show number one.

00:18:05.320 Everyone's talking about Tucker every night.

00:18:07.520 And to take that audience who went through that journey with you and flush them down the toilet and not even give them an explanation is terrible.

00:18:14.040 And, you know, if you did, not many people are.

00:18:16.280 But if you did happen to tune in to Fox News over the past couple of weeks, if you happen to turn it on, you'd see a lot of coverage, a lot of mockery, a lot of finger waving against Bud Light for losing 16 to 20 percent of their sales.

00:18:30.840 And saying, how could they not know these people screwed up so bad, Dylan Mulvaney?

00:18:37.140 And I'm with you on that.

00:18:38.700 But we're talking about 50, 60, 70 percent ratings drops on Fox News.

00:18:44.500 How did they not know, Megan?

00:18:46.480 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:49.020 I'll tell you this, too.

00:18:49.940 Lachlan Murdoch participated in the first earnings report since Tucker was again, he hasn't been fired.

00:18:56.280 He's been canceled.

00:18:57.860 His show's been canceled.

00:18:58.700 He hasn't been fired.

00:18:59.360 That's why they still have him.

00:19:00.400 They they reported a 50 million dollar loss, primarily due to charges associated with legal settlement costs.

00:19:07.820 Obviously, they'll be bigger than that, given with the Dominion filing this quarter.

00:19:12.200 They go on to say this is Lachlan Murdoch.

00:19:14.860 With regards to our programming strategy in prime time, there's no change to our programming strategy at Fox News.

00:19:21.880 It's obviously a successful one.

00:19:23.900 And as always, you know, we are adjusting our programming and our lineup, and that's what we continue to do.

00:19:29.300 So they won't they won't say they won't tell the people on the earnings call.

00:19:35.060 They won't tell Tucker.

00:19:36.220 They won't tell Tucker's lawyers.

00:19:37.460 It gets to be just a huge fun secret that we continue to speculate about as the audience continues its revolt.

00:19:44.280 I just want to make one other point.

00:19:45.760 Irina Briganti publicly denied that she's behind the leaks.

00:19:49.540 So she's spoken out saying it's it's a lie.

00:19:52.760 But I take you back again to that New York Times report.

00:19:56.680 Who else would have access to both Tucker's private texts that were given to the Fox lawyers in the Dominion litigation, which appeared in that New York Times report a week ago, and to two of the leaked videos.

00:20:13.640 The first two showing Tucker sitting on the set could be a rogue employee doing the second thing, could be some pissed off whatever taping Tucker just because he doesn't like him.

00:20:24.320 Right. Some tech guy who has access could be could be.

00:20:27.080 How does that guy know what Tucker texted that he handed over only to the general counsel?

00:20:32.540 Huh? Ask yourself that because the same person was undoubtedly supplying the New York Times.

00:20:37.980 It didn't just so happen that someone either on the Fox side or the Dominion side provided the New York Times with those texts.

00:20:44.620 And then that errant tech person just happened to pick the same reporters on the same day to forward his first two leaks before he caught on to me.

00:20:54.920 That didn't happen. Use your head so she can deny it all she wants. 1.00

00:20:59.680 That's her history. She's denied many, many leaks that she's done about me and others. 0.86

00:21:03.120 I take you back to the Roger Ailes days when she was protecting him and not the women that she was supposed to be protecting at the company.

00:21:09.120 And then denying that, too. And if you need look no further than the Fox News, milk toast, threatening letters to Dominion and Media Matters like, you know, you shouldn't publish.

00:21:22.580 So it's not like, you know, it's not appropriate. We don't we don't want it. We don't appreciate it.

00:21:28.140 Wilson Sonsini, trust me, they know how to write a true nasty gram. That's not what they did there.

00:21:33.060 So the writing is right there for anybody who's smart enough to read it. OK, we'll continue to follow it and figure out what the next move is.

00:21:40.300 Speaking of leaking, Ron DeSantis had some traitor leak on him.

00:21:45.900 This was from debate prep against Andrew Gillum, that guy who turned out to be a hot mess that he ran against down in Florida for governor in 2018.

00:21:55.160 Now somebody leaked tape of the debate prep, which is just such a dirtbag move.

00:22:00.580 If you can't trust the people in the room when you're doing something that private, you know, like, OK, let's see Andrew Gillum's debate prep tapes.

00:22:07.080 And you can't, apparently. So here's a little bit of what they leaked.

00:22:10.880 Once again, don't see how it makes him look bad. But here it is.

00:22:15.260 Is there any issue upon which you disagree with President Trump?

00:22:21.040 Obviously, there is, because I mean, I voted contrary to him in the car.

00:22:24.120 I have to frame it in a way that's not going to piss off all his voters.

00:22:27.600 So what I do is I do what I think is right. I support his agenda in terms of what he's been able to do.

00:22:32.980 If I have a disagreement, I talk to him in private.

00:22:34.720 I think when you walk up there, if you have a pad, you have to write in all caps at the top of the pad, likeable.

00:22:40.520 And I do the same thing because I have the same personality. We're both aggressive.

00:22:46.960 I don't know what you guys think. To me, it's a weak sauce.

00:22:51.700 I think he looks good. I think that's not only does he look fine, but that's actually the right answer, even today, in regard to Trump, right?

00:23:03.080 I mean, Ron DeSantis is not in a position where he can go around saying, like, Donald Trump was a horrible president, right?

00:23:08.320 He's on the record saying that Donald Trump was a good president.

00:23:10.580 So he has to run a campaign where he says something along the lines of Donald Trump was a very good president, but here's why I can be more effective because I have a different set of skills.

00:23:19.280 That's exactly what I saw there. And I can't imagine why anybody thought that would hurt him.

00:23:24.760 So Matt Gaetz was there. He was there doing the debate prep with DeSantis at the time, as was Byron Donalds, who we've had on the show.

00:23:32.960 And Matt Gaetz put out a tweet that reads, I ran the DeSantis debate prep in 2018, though I prefer Trump for president bigly.

00:23:41.640 The release of these videos by the person operating the camera, he names the person, doesn't name him, name him, but he identifies who he believes it was by the person operating the camera is disloyal hackery that I do not abide.

00:23:55.860 Staffers who leak on the candidates they've done work for deserve the reputations they get.

00:24:00.340 That's pretty extraordinary. I don't know how he knows that was the person, but now you got to worry about your tech crew right now.

00:24:07.260 You got to worry about the guy who's actually shooting the debate prep so you can watch back later.

00:24:10.960 This disloyalty, is this a growing thing? You know, we're taping we're taping the anchors now and they're more casual moments.

00:24:19.080 We're taping the presidential candidates and these disloyal hacks.

00:24:23.180 That's the right word by Matt Gaetz. Release it publicly.

00:24:26.340 I think it is getting much, much worse. And and we're going to see a lot more of this, I think, unfortunately, over the next year.

00:24:34.100 Right. I mean, Ron DeSantis is probably going to get into this race and his team and the people around him back in 2018 when he was running.

00:24:42.600 You know, a lot of those people were really big Trump supporters, and I think the alternate is true as well.

00:24:48.480 A lot of the big Trump supporters, people that I know who are huge Trump supporters have decided to decide with Ron DeSantis in the in the primaries coming up.

00:24:57.380 And there's been all sorts of backroom conversations and coordination and strategy sessions between these two sides.

00:25:04.640 And now they're going to go up against each other in which seems like a increasingly ugly battle.

00:25:10.700 I wish this wasn't the case. I mean, look, Donald Trump did a lot of good things when he was in office.

00:25:14.760 We've you know, Ron DeSantis has done a lot of really good things for Florida.

00:25:18.280 They're both have really important messages and I think can improve the country, certainly from where we are.

00:25:23.400 The fact that they're going to want to, you know, murder each other for the next year, I don't think necessarily is a positive for the country.

00:25:30.360 But I mean, you look at these debate tapes and I think one thing it might remind people of is the fact that he was debating Andrew Gillum and he won that race by 0.4 percent in 2018.

00:25:42.960 And then he ran again and won by 20 points.

00:25:46.560 This is a guy who has a really good record.

00:25:49.480 And, you know, Donald Trump was on record saying he was a good governor.

00:25:52.940 He's now, you know, we're in election season.

00:25:55.260 That's sort of reversed.

00:25:56.760 I don't think that's a smart strategy for DeSantis to do the same, to totally reverse on him.

00:26:00.940 He should be clear.

00:26:02.040 Donald Trump did some really good things, but my approach can be better.

00:26:05.080 I think Dave's completely right on this.

00:26:07.340 You know, say the things that he give him credit.

00:26:09.780 Be honest.

00:26:10.360 People want to hear honesty.

00:26:11.940 Say, yeah, he did these things right.

00:26:13.340 But you know what?

00:26:13.800 There's some bad things, too.

00:26:14.840 I can improve on that and I can I can further this in a way that Donald Trump can't.

00:26:18.340 That's what he has to do, I think, to actually win this primary.

00:26:20.620 A couple of things about the details on the report of this tape of him prepping.

00:26:26.360 They say during one session, an advisor suggests that DeSantis should immediately, when he gets to the podium on the debate stage, write the word likeable in all caps on the top of his notepad.

00:26:39.000 They say this is because they believe both DeSantis and Gillum were, quote, aggressive and they didn't want DeSantis to appear condescending.

00:26:46.620 Now, this is interesting to me because this definitely is, I think, a problem for DeSantis when you look at his candidacy.

00:26:53.060 And we could go down the list of the Trump problems, as we have for several years now.

00:26:56.800 He's got some handicaps, too.

00:26:58.600 But this is DeSantis is like, can he relate to real people?

00:27:02.980 Right.

00:27:03.680 He's strong and he knows how to fight and he knows how to legislate and lead.

00:27:07.320 But is he like a book?

00:27:08.960 Is he relatable?

00:27:10.100 And to me, it reminds me of there was a Fox News young personality, which I'll go nameless for the purposes of this discussion, who used to write.

00:27:20.900 She used to write on that like a little note to herself right underneath the camera.

00:27:26.660 That read, don't forget to sparkle.

00:27:32.120 Dave, Marcus, you have that on your camera right now.

00:27:34.740 Don't lie.

00:27:35.140 I always I mean, I have it on my phone everywhere I go.

00:27:38.960 I just try to remember to sparkle.

00:27:40.760 It's working.

00:27:42.140 Very well.

00:27:42.820 Thank you.

00:27:43.800 Not a good sign if you have to be told to be likable.

00:27:47.680 No, no, it's not.

00:27:49.440 And look, I do think I do.

00:27:50.940 People I've talked to do wonder about that.

00:27:53.280 It factor.

00:27:53.900 I mean, the fact of the matter is, in order to become president of the United States, you have to kind of jump through the TV in a way that's compelling and meaningful.

00:28:02.420 And that's, you know, it doesn't matter who you talk about.

00:28:04.580 Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Trump.

00:28:07.160 They all have this.

00:28:08.060 I don't think it's clear that DeSantis has it.

00:28:11.160 You can teach it a little.

00:28:13.660 But I think to some degree it's either there or it's not.

00:28:18.580 And I do think that's a worry.

00:28:19.740 Now, I think that the best moment DeSantis has had of late was his inaugural speech.

00:28:24.660 And everybody went nuts over that.

00:28:26.200 Remember, it's like this is Florida is where woke goes to die.

00:28:30.200 It was a really strong speech.

00:28:31.580 He did a great job.

00:28:33.900 And that's the Ron DeSantis that I think you need to see.

00:28:38.060 But it's not touchy feely.

00:28:40.240 It's not.

00:28:41.500 You're right.

00:28:42.240 It's not that kind of personality that we're used to seeing in a successful presidential candidate.

00:28:48.120 No, that's not him.

00:28:49.320 It's I don't think he's got that in him.

00:28:52.400 They are saying ABC News is reporting that he, DeSantis, and his team have already quietly begun debate prep for the upcoming GOP primary, saying that his team has been paying close attention to his facial expressions.

00:29:06.080 This makes sense because, you know, he he had that weird thing in Japan where he did the like the head bobble thing.

00:29:12.700 We've seen it a couple of times.

00:29:13.580 Like, I don't know if that's involuntary or what, but they're working with him on that.

00:29:18.300 And they also report that he is now likely to skip announcing an exploratory committee and instead expected to launch a full campaign next month.

00:29:26.140 Is that a good idea?

00:29:27.200 What do you make of that, Stu?

00:29:28.480 I mean, is it a good idea for him?

00:29:29.500 Like, forget the just do it.

00:29:32.240 Yeah, I think that is probably just the way to go.

00:29:33.940 Everyone knows this is happening, right?

00:29:35.240 There's nothing to explore.

00:29:36.620 In fact, has there ever been a candidate who's decided to explore and then the result of their exploration was, no, I'm not going to run for president?

00:29:44.040 I mean, that just doesn't even happen, right?

00:29:45.760 Like, you know, it's a it's really more of a you can raise money maybe a little bit that way, test the waters.

00:29:53.560 But generally speaking, a guy like DeSantis is already one of the top two candidates in this race.

00:29:57.820 If he gets in, he knows that.

00:29:59.480 And so I think getting to it is probably something he's going to need to do soon just to keep up with the money.

00:30:05.920 I know he wants to get through the legislative session and get as much passed as he can.

00:30:10.620 And this is I think if there is a problem for DeSantis, this is probably it.

00:30:14.340 I mean, Trump was really good at this, right?

00:30:15.920 Like Trump, Trump can get you in a room and charm you.

00:30:19.120 He can be funny.

00:30:20.560 He can be disarming.

00:30:22.520 He's somebody that people obviously the media says what they say, but people generally like him.

00:30:28.800 Yes, he does things that they don't like, but his actual persona when you're talking to him one on one is something that people generally enjoy.

00:30:36.220 He knows how to schmooze people.

00:30:38.320 DeSantis is not that guy.

00:30:39.760 He's an Ivy League guy.

00:30:41.600 He can fight.

00:30:42.600 He likes fighting with the media.

00:30:43.940 He's very smart.

00:30:44.700 He's very quick, but he does not come off that way.

00:30:46.960 So maybe he does need to write likeable at the top.

00:30:49.140 I wrote look thinner on here because it's a lot easier than dieting.

00:30:53.860 I just figure I don't know if it works that way.

00:30:57.340 But there we go.

00:30:59.020 We'll see if that works.

00:30:59.760 You're crushing it, Stubergear.

00:31:01.000 All right, stand by.

00:31:01.800 We're going to talk about the latest dreadful poll numbers for Joe Biden.

00:31:05.560 My God, it's bad news when we come right back.

00:31:11.320 So the polling.

00:31:13.380 There was the most dreadful poll out for Joe Biden this week.

00:31:16.120 It's so bad that left wing outlets are now running the kind of articles that read.

00:31:21.340 So it's one poll.

00:31:22.580 Don't freak out over one poll.

00:31:23.860 It's going to be fine.

00:31:24.840 It's going to be.

00:31:25.220 Stop it.

00:31:25.680 Don't panic.

00:31:26.920 But that poll wasn't done by some weird outlier.

00:31:30.040 It was a Washington Post ABC News poll.

00:31:33.240 And it showed so many bad things.

00:31:35.540 What I mean, where to begin?

00:31:38.000 Biden's trailing Trump big time in a head to head matchup.

00:31:41.260 We'll get to that one second.

00:31:42.160 But let's just start with the overall.

00:31:43.320 New low on his approval rating of 36 percent, 36 percent lower than I think any other president

00:31:50.940 at this point in his term, 56 percent disapprove, 56 disapprove, only 36 approve.

00:31:56.760 In February, his approval was 42.

00:31:58.740 So he's down just from a couple of months ago.

00:32:01.100 And when you break it down by group, it gets even more shocking.

00:32:05.000 Americans under age 30, 26 percent approval rating.

00:32:09.100 Non-whites, 42 percent. 0.79

00:32:11.340 Urban residents, 41 percent.

00:32:13.620 Those with no religious affiliation, 46 percent.

00:32:17.560 Among independents who voted for Biden in 2020, 57 percent approve.

00:32:22.120 That's better.

00:32:22.940 But he needs to get more than that.

00:32:25.000 These are the people who he already got in his camp.

00:32:26.720 So he's losing at least 30 percent of those because 30 percent say they disapprove.

00:32:31.020 Those are the ones who voted for him, the independents.

00:32:33.640 Among the independents who voted for Trump, 96 percent disapprove of Biden.

00:32:37.220 And listen to this on the economy.

00:32:39.380 Americans say Trump did a better job than Biden, 54 to 36.

00:32:45.220 We'll go down the list when it comes to mental sharpness and some other specifics, head to

00:32:48.600 head matchups in a second.

00:32:49.700 But let me just get your reaction, guys, to those.

00:32:52.180 I mean, that's the that that's his constituency, which is clearly turned on him.

00:32:57.500 And we know that because he's already got 30 percent of his party wanting RFK or Marianne

00:33:02.820 Williamson, Dave.

00:33:04.180 And I don't know how he turns that around.

00:33:06.560 I mean, is he above water with people named Biden?

00:33:10.780 I think it's not clear.

00:33:14.180 Like, I'd like to see that poll number.

00:33:16.900 No, look, this this is a huge problem.

00:33:18.860 He's clearly incredibly unpopular.

00:33:21.540 And, you know, you mentioned RFK Jr.

00:33:23.940 And I'm very interested in that piece up just today at The Daily Wire where I think we all

00:33:28.480 looked at that like 20 percent.

00:33:30.060 And our immediate reaction is like, that's just anybody but Joe.

00:33:33.700 Right.

00:33:33.880 That's just you could put Bart Simpson there and he gets 20 percent.

00:33:37.420 I'm not so sure about that anymore because an RFK Jr.

00:33:40.400 I have a candidate who's against the vaccines.

00:33:42.360 Right.

00:33:42.740 Which is totally against the Democratic Party, which is the party of vaccine boost. 0.53

00:33:46.780 He's expressed skepticism about the war in Ukraine, which is, again, something Democrats 0.52

00:33:51.840 don't say.

00:33:53.000 Just this week, he said that biological men shouldn't play sports with biological women.

00:33:56.760 I'm starting to wonder if this more moderate lane in the Democratic Party that no longer

00:34:03.240 exists because there's no more Kyrsten Sinema.

00:34:05.100 There's soon to be no more Joe Manchin.

00:34:07.340 If there aren't Democrats who want that and are expressing that in these polls, I think

00:34:15.140 it's too soon to say that.

00:34:16.360 But that really jumped out at me that that an RFK Jr.

00:34:19.500 could be at 20 percent.

00:34:21.280 Mm hmm.

00:34:21.580 Oh, my God.

00:34:22.140 I would pay anything to see those two debate.

00:34:24.180 I mean, of course, the Democratic Party has already said it's not going to happen.

00:34:26.800 They would never subject Joe Biden to that for reasons like this one.

00:34:31.220 Here's just the latest gaffes do as Joe Biden at an event the White House planned prepared

00:34:36.280 by his own staff with you always get pronouncers when you have a guest with a difficult name,

00:34:40.780 you know, a name that you might find difficult and he just can't do it.

00:34:45.200 Here's the latest example from a White House event the other day.

00:34:49.420 I honored a group of trailblazing artists with National Medals of Arts and Humanities.

00:34:55.560 The group included groundbreaking Asian-Americans like Vera Wang and Joan Shingang,

00:35:03.380 I'm going to pronounce her name, Shanga Kowawa.

00:35:10.980 I think I pronounced it correctly.

00:35:13.060 She can call me Joe Biden.

00:35:16.080 Oh, God.

00:35:17.140 Not only can he get that word out, he can't get out like even the world.

00:35:22.060 Like what?

00:35:23.040 I understood nothing.

00:35:25.580 It's amazing.

00:35:27.380 On my show, Studios America, we have these segments called Hail to the Gaff.

00:35:31.360 And we just highlight things that Joe Biden has done and we attempt to transcribe them.

00:35:36.900 And like that's where most of the comedy comes from, trying to spell the sounds he's making.

00:35:42.540 It's just remarkable over and over and over again.

00:35:45.960 And that says nothing about most of the time.

00:35:47.960 He's usually lying throughout the statement as well.

00:35:50.960 You know, it's it's really sad.

00:35:53.260 People notice this, of course.

00:35:54.540 I think this is a big part of why his polling is so bad.

00:35:57.840 He was asked about why his polling was so bad in an interview with MSNBC.

00:36:01.560 And and he said, look, everybody who's running for reelection at this point in their campaign has been right around where I am.

00:36:07.080 Well, I went through this.

00:36:08.480 I went all the way back to Harry Truman on this one to see if that was accurate.

00:36:12.160 And there are no examples of any president ever who has the numbers that Joe Biden has and won reelection.

00:36:19.440 There's not one example of them.

00:36:21.660 He's sort of close.

00:36:22.880 This was the basically at the bottom of where Reagan was before he really started his incredible rise to that massive victory.

00:36:29.000 And he's sort of close to Reagan, though, still significantly behind.

00:36:33.540 He is the only one he's ahead of all the way back to Truman is Jimmy Carter, which you may remember, did not win reelection.

00:36:40.180 So it's lying.

00:36:42.320 It's gaffing.

00:36:42.920 It's all of it together.

00:36:43.680 There are these are these are the numbers from The Washington Post, ABC News poll on mental acuity.

00:36:50.020 Sixty three percent say Biden does not have the mental sharpness to serve effectively as president.

00:36:55.660 Sixty three percent of the American electorate feels that way.

00:37:00.320 That's up from forty three percent in twenty twenty when he won.

00:37:05.500 So we are up twenty percentage points after people got a good look at him and he came out of the basement.

00:37:12.040 Fifty four percent say Trump has the mental sharpness it takes to serve effectively as president.

00:37:18.040 Obviously, considerably higher than where Joe Biden is when it comes to the head to head matchups.

00:37:23.220 This is the thing that's really got people animated on both sides.

00:37:27.020 Forty four percent say they would definitely or probably vote for Trump.

00:37:30.440 Thirty eight percent say the same about voting for Biden.

00:37:33.780 Forty four to thirty eight.

00:37:35.460 That's a six percentage point advantage for Trump.

00:37:38.620 DeSantis versus Biden.

00:37:39.900 It's a five percentage point advantage.

00:37:42.320 DeSantis, 42 percent say they'd vote for DeSantis.

00:37:44.920 Thirty seven say they'd back Biden.

00:37:48.880 I don't know.

00:37:49.900 Andy McCarthy's got a piece up over at National Review saying don't believe the hype like the Democrats want Republicans to believe that Trump can win.

00:37:57.520 They they want Republicans to believe that because they're they don't believe it.

00:38:01.740 They don't think the ladies in the suburbs will actually pull the lever for him, Dave.

00:38:05.680 So they want the right to get excited about polls like this.

00:38:09.900 Yeah, look, I mean, we've we've seen this dance before.

00:38:13.080 Right. I mean, we all lived through 2016 and there was absolutely no chance that Donald Trump could win.

00:38:17.980 I mean, what did the New York Times put his chances like six, seven percent, something like that.

00:38:21.460 And then lo and behold, there's tears in Brooklyn.

00:38:23.200 So, of course, of course, Donald Trump can win this race.

00:38:28.280 And frankly, I think that for those people who support DeSantis, electability is just a bad argument.

00:38:34.560 Voters don't care about electability in large part because voters tend to assume that if they like a candidate, other people do as well.

00:38:41.920 And when you look at polling specifically on electability, Trump voters think he can win.

00:38:48.380 So I think this is a bad issue.

00:38:50.040 And I think that if you try to say to Republican voters, you know, really hold them hostage and say, well, if you don't support DeSantis, Trump has has no way of winning.

00:38:58.520 They're not going to believe you.

00:38:59.920 And it's just not a compelling message.

00:39:01.660 So, I mean, I think I really think that DeSantis's supporters would do well to stop making the electability argument.

00:39:09.060 It's just never very compelling.

00:39:12.260 You meanwhile have people trying to get votes, I guess, in California.

00:39:18.100 I don't think it's already uniformly Democrats.

00:39:19.840 I'm not exactly sure what this reparations push is about.

00:39:22.300 But at the city level, we've seen it in San Francisco.

00:39:24.760 I think they were recommending five million dollars per person who just identified as black for 10 years and maybe had one other criteria they could, you know, box they could check.

00:39:33.980 And now the state is making a similar recommendation for reparations, which is, I think, one point two million dollars to every qualifying black resident, along with a formal apology.

00:39:47.400 So, I mean, that's I guess Oprah is going to get one point two million dollars and a formal apology. 0.94

00:39:54.640 And Meghan Markle, they live in California.

00:39:56.600 They're going to they're she's going to get a formal apology and a one point two million dollar check from what? 1.00

00:40:02.020 Like the guy who drives the bus in like Oakland that he's got a because he's white. 0.67

00:40:07.280 He's got to pay Oprah a one point two.

00:40:09.360 Like, how's it going to work exactly still?

00:40:11.120 Because I'm thinking this has the potential to be actually really divisive.

00:40:15.440 Hmm.

00:40:15.920 Well, I'll tell you how it's going to work.

00:40:17.140 I now identify as African-American and I would love please, please send me all of your money.

00:40:24.520 You know, part of this, of course, I think, is the political playing to your base type of stuff we've seen forever.

00:40:31.080 But this is turning into a real movement.

00:40:33.860 And I honestly think these numbers are so high, it almost hurts them.

00:40:37.240 I would be much more scared of this if they were giving ten thousand dollars away or twenty thousand dollars away, a number that was rational, that they could ramp up over time.

00:40:47.220 It wouldn't seem like it was that much.

00:40:49.120 I mean, I think you're talking about hundreds of billions and trillions of dollars here.

00:40:53.380 It's so completely absurd.

00:40:54.840 But it doesn't make any sense.

00:40:57.760 There's no way to track it.

00:40:59.660 And honestly, like, why are we being held responsible for the potential sins of our great, great, great grandparents?

00:41:08.840 I had nothing to do with this.

00:41:10.400 I got news for you.

00:41:11.220 I had nothing to do with slavery.

00:41:12.300 I think slavery is an abhorrent institution.

00:41:14.160 I believe in a limited government that wouldn't even have the capacity to institute slavery in any capacity.

00:41:21.480 I think it's we all do.

00:41:24.040 Right.

00:41:24.620 And the fact that, you know, I'm not responsible if I had a great, great grandparent who killed somebody, who stole from somebody, who committed some terrible crime.

00:41:32.340 The fact that now I'm going to be held responsible to fund multiple generations away from someone who I don't even think I have anybody in my family who did this.

00:41:42.460 It's just terrible.

00:41:43.780 It's a terrible idea.

00:41:44.860 And it's just an excuse to redistribute wealth.

00:41:47.300 It's a separate way to institute, you know, these socialist policies they've wanted to try and do so many other ways.

00:41:54.400 This is just a way to pull on heartstrings to get it done as well.

00:41:57.000 And I hope it fails.

00:41:58.360 America is a nation of mutts like me, you know, half Irish, half Italian, came over great.

00:42:04.680 My grandparents in the early 1900s, they had nothing to do with slavery.

00:42:08.680 They were in Italy.

00:42:09.660 They were in Ireland.

00:42:10.300 They weren't, but they'd nothing.

00:42:12.500 And I'm not cutting a check to anybody.

00:42:14.040 I mean, if the Californians want to eat their own, go for it.

00:42:16.620 I don't really care if they want to vote for that.

00:42:19.120 That's maybe they can reconsider their leaders.

00:42:21.240 But the thing is, Dave, no matter how much they cut these checks for, it's never going to stop the incessant complaints of racism from the woke race hustlers.

00:42:31.040 Even when they came to this conclusion, you had the people standing up saying 1.2 million per person who's black is an outrage.

00:42:40.200 Here's a little bit of that.

00:42:41.760 The equivocal number from the 1860s for 40 acres today is $200 million for each and every African-American.

00:43:01.360 If you are running for office, do not think you are going to win your election if you don't have a concrete plan for reparations.

00:43:09.020 Biden, do not seek a second term unless it's accompanied by an executive order for reparations for descendants of American chattel slavery.

00:43:17.160 We cannot forget or ignore the fact that we stole people from their native land. 0.93

00:43:21.600 White America has turned a blind eye to this and say they should get over it.

00:43:26.080 On behalf of myself, my family and my ancestors, I want to publicly apologize.

00:43:32.520 Oh, my Lord.

00:43:33.860 I mean, straight out of the Robin DiAngelo book, Dave.

00:43:37.680 Yeah, I mean, to paraphrase Woody Allen, you know, my grandparents were too busy being pillaged by the Cossacks to own any slaves. 0.98

00:43:44.200 But this is this is crazy.

00:43:47.700 Two hundred million dollars a person.

00:43:49.280 I mean, why not a unicorn and a time machine?

00:43:51.540 I mean, this is, you know, this is this is obviously madness.

00:43:56.020 And, you know, it's funny.

00:43:57.480 I was I was tweeting about this the other day and there's there's Gallup polling that goes back to 2001 and shows where Americans thought race relations were from that point until now.

00:44:09.900 In 2001, 70 percent of black Americans said that race relations were either very or somewhat good.

00:44:17.180 That's down to the low 40s.

00:44:19.020 Right. It was like 67 percent of white people.

00:44:21.780 And that's down to the to the 40s or the 30s.

00:44:24.540 I don't think America has become 40 percent more racist in the last 20 years.

00:44:30.560 Something else is going on here.

00:44:32.020 You look at these these sort of word searches from The New York Times where the word racism, the you know, the words like wokeness, words like white privilege just spike.

00:44:42.160 And it's really a shame because this is not what things were like 20, 25 years ago.

00:44:48.860 And I don't know that it's I don't know that it's very clear right now how we how we get back.

00:44:53.800 Hmm. I I actually do think that all of this has a very high chance of backfiring on the left.

00:45:00.740 I was just talking to my dear friend this morning, Stu, and she was a lefty.

00:45:06.140 Now she's a registered Republican thanks to the covid insanity.

00:45:10.460 She has some kids and her one son was a committed lefty.

00:45:15.660 He's a high schooler, right?

00:45:17.380 I mean, whatever that young people tend to lean left.

00:45:19.540 And he was arguing with her as she was having this evolution.

00:45:23.340 And you know what?

00:45:25.060 He's he's on the right now, too, because at his super woke left wing New York school, they're shoving this stuff down his throat, the race stuff, the gender stuff.

00:45:37.960 And he sees the hypocrisy.

00:45:39.760 He sees that, you know, kids who've got two black parents who are investment bankers are getting a leg up on the two white kids who are there on scholarship whose parents are blue collar workers.

00:45:50.700 Right. It doesn't matter to that school.

00:45:52.760 One's oppressed. One's not all based on skin color.

00:45:55.240 So I actually think like this next generation generation has a shot of seeing how wrong this is because they're being forced to live it firsthand.

00:46:05.240 Yeah, I think you're totally right on that.

00:46:06.980 I think there's an actual chance here, and it's only because they're so insane, right?

00:46:10.280 Like if they were actually being mildly sane, I don't know what we would do.

00:46:14.040 But they've gone so far so fast with the transgender issue and the CRT issue and all these things.

00:46:20.080 I mean, I think there's a uniting principle for most people never make a decision of any sort based on skin color.

00:46:27.180 Just never do it.

00:46:28.420 There's lots of other things to judge people on.

00:46:30.160 A lot of people suck for totally different reasons.

00:46:32.100 Judge them because they are idiots and morons if you wish, but don't judge them on skin color.

00:46:37.960 Don't make any decision based on that.

00:46:40.160 That was always, I thought, something that united us.

00:46:42.760 We didn't always hit that standard, unfortunately, in this country, but we were getting closer and closer to it.

00:46:48.100 Then you have the opposite side of this where you have people like Ibram Kendi who write outwardly.

00:46:53.060 They tell you that, you know, the only solution for past discrimination is current discrimination.

00:46:59.080 The only solution for current discrimination is future discrimination.

00:47:02.420 They are literally advocating for discrimination in their works.

00:47:07.060 They're telling you.

00:47:09.080 And I just don't think the American people connect with that.

00:47:12.800 If they do connect with it, we are already lost.

00:47:15.640 Yeah, I saw your tweet, Dave, that you wrote, I don't think people under 40 understand that there was actually a time, albeit short-lived, when basically everyone stopped caring about race.

00:47:29.100 I agree with you.

00:47:30.520 And that's the kind of thing that these woke BLM activists would be like, white privilege, that's your white privilege talking.

00:47:38.020 But no, it was real.

00:47:39.940 It was real.

00:47:40.760 And even those wokesters weren't jumping up and down complaining. 1.00

00:47:45.700 It's like they saw a window to exploit, you know, the remnants of racial disharmony, and they took it.

00:47:53.560 And I just took the last word because we're out of time.

00:47:55.700 You guys, thanks for being here.

00:47:57.800 Thank you.

00:47:58.600 All right, we'll be right back with Darren O'Lean, and you're going to want to hear this.

00:48:04.900 There are many, many things in modern life that make our lives easier.

00:48:09.120 From technology to personal care products for every need.

00:48:12.580 Well, our next guest is here to share with us why we need to pay a lot closer attention to those conveniences and how they are impacting our health.

00:48:21.020 Darren O'Lean is a superfood hunter and co-host of the Netflix docuseries, Down to Earth with Zac Efron.

00:48:28.560 He is author of the new book, Fatal Conveniences, the toxic products and harmful habits that are making you sick and the simple changes that will save your health, which is out next week, but available for pre-order now, Fatal Conveniences.

00:48:45.440 Darren, welcome back to the show.

00:48:47.600 Hey, Megan.

00:48:48.380 It's great to see you again.

00:48:50.000 You as well.

00:48:50.580 How are you doing?

00:48:52.020 I'm great.

00:48:52.620 I basically have concluded from your book that I need to throw everything out of my entire medicine cabinet and my makeup drawer as well.

00:49:02.720 I should be dead before the end of the program based on the number of things I am putting on my body that are toxic.

00:49:08.520 You know, it's so funny because you take these measures, right?

00:49:11.680 You're like, oh, don't use the plastic food containers, use the glass and, you know, don't have this kind of carpet, have that kind and whatever, like try to go organic on your cleaning supplies.

00:49:21.980 And then you realize you are swimming in a toxic stew all over your body before you ever get to any of those.

00:49:29.580 And you're trying to sound the alarm on this.

00:49:31.400 So let's just start on whether we should be hopeful right now or we should be scared right now.

00:49:35.940 100% hopeful because we have the numbers on our side because having these conversations, you and I and your listeners who want to be better and want to do better, that once you become aware of something, then you can actually take action and then change as possible.

00:49:56.500 So there's 8 billion people on the planet.

00:49:59.920 So I'm incredibly hopeful that once you face things, you can actually change things.

00:50:07.240 And I'm bummed that I had to write this kind of book in this day and age.

00:50:13.720 I'm bummed that our regulatory bodies, you know, aren't doing an adequate job.

00:50:19.540 There's good people in those organizations, but but, you know, it's time to just not wane around for somebody and and and kind of do it ourselves.

00:50:29.160 Right. And they don't make it very easy.

00:50:31.320 You know, it's like you figure out something's bad.

00:50:33.500 Like there was news right before Easter about was it Red Dine number 40?

00:50:38.340 One of those that was appearing in the pink and the purple peeps.

00:50:42.840 They were like, don't let your kids have those pink and purple peeps, but they could potentially have a lot of peas in the yellow peeps.

00:50:49.940 It was like, what if I didn't just happen to see this article while scrolling one day, my kids would have been downing all the pink and purple peeps.

00:50:57.840 I could have fed them.

00:50:59.560 Yeah. Plus, you know, the Gatorades, it's all over in the Gatorades.

00:51:03.780 It's it's clearly been kicked out in the UK.

00:51:07.200 So the UK also is in a lot of respects better around this regulatory body of these kind of things.

00:51:14.460 But, yeah, you know, if you look at Red specifically, number 40, it's connected to ADHD, too.

00:51:20.640 So it's like, wait a second.

00:51:22.500 Why would we be allowing an ingredient in a very common child's food and candy and drink that's contributing to the very thing that we want to medicate them on and for?

00:51:35.080 So it's just, you know, again, I look at all of this as foundational stuff that we may not know we're being hijacked and and and affected.

00:51:46.180 And so if we aware of that and minimize, you know, listen, like, of course, you can go into the overwhelm of I've got got to get rid of all of this stuff.

00:51:56.820 But you kind of you have to take it just with life and life is you become aware and you take one thing at a time and you keep kind of getting better.

00:52:07.280 I think that's that's the credo of living a great life.

00:52:10.180 So you don't have to get go crazy and throw everything away.

00:52:13.600 You know, I'm kind of an extremist, too, but I would probably do that.

00:52:18.020 But but then it's overwhelming to try to figure out what you know, what are the safe products?

00:52:25.180 And and that's why a fourth of my book or a third of my book was all based in solutions.

00:52:30.300 So people don't have to, you know, freak out too much about it.

00:52:34.340 So let give us an overview of what what are fatal conveniences.

00:52:37.980 Give us some examples.

00:52:38.800 Yeah, well, you know, these are these are things that are lurking in our everyday life that we're doing that that unfortunately, the bodies that be aren't necessarily protecting us.

00:52:53.180 It could be deodorants with aluminum salts in there that's contributing to breast cancer and, you know, dysbiosis of our immune system. 1.00

00:53:03.000 It could be the shampoo.

00:53:05.180 It could be the moisturizer.

00:53:06.280 It could be the clothing that we're wearing, the electromagnetic fields putting up to your head.

00:53:13.900 Many of these things is the PFAS that's lurking into the to the non wrinkled, beautiful shirt that you just bought.

00:53:22.480 You don't have to wrinkle when you travel or, you know, the the the slippery packaging around food that the food doesn't stick to.

00:53:32.260 All of these things are been created in the lab and they they expose themselves not only to us, but to the food we eat, to the drink we have, even even the fatal convenience is water.

00:53:46.040 Right. So it's amazing, like that we can be 330 million strong in the US and all the in, you know, you know, side note, 2.2 billion people on the planet don't have water and don't even largely understand that there's clean water.

00:54:02.220 But that said, many of us have a tap, but we're being exposed to things that that we we've done the very bare minimum in terms of the the water treatment plants.

00:54:17.000 We're not dying of typhoid or dysentery or diphtheria, you know, so we're not acutely dropping dead from these things.

00:54:28.180 But over time, our one of our biggest exposure of PFOS and that's a per or pro floral alkalized substances.

00:54:37.460 It's a forever chemical. It's it's everywhere.

00:54:42.480 And that's we're getting exposed via water.

00:54:45.540 So if we're not filtering properly, this is a massive fatal convenience.

00:54:50.060 So so these fatal conveniences are things that we're not even spending time on because I just buy the laundry detergent.

00:54:58.540 I just buy my moisturizer. I like the smell of my shampoo.

00:55:04.000 I like the shirt. And on the one hand, you think, hey, you know, how harmful is all that?

00:55:10.820 And it seems as though that this exposure doesn't really persist.

00:55:17.840 It's pervasive, not in our homes, on our on our bodies, what we consume.

00:55:25.200 And and and added up over time, it it poses some some big risk.

00:55:33.080 I'll tell you two examples I had in my own life just thinking about this segment over the past few days.

00:55:38.140 I was downstairs and I was working out in my house and I thought I should get like a case of bottled water down here, you know,

00:55:45.520 so I don't have to keep hiking up to the gym. I should just keep like a and then I'm like.

00:55:49.720 I don't I probably shouldn't just get a case of bottled water, the plastic water balls.

00:55:54.300 I know they're now saying that that's not great. Don't drink out of those.

00:55:57.220 I'm like, what do I get the alternative out there? You could get that, you know, boxed water.

00:56:01.480 That's more like in a paper type container. But then I looked online that had a lot of negative comments.

00:56:07.240 Then how about the aluminum cans with water? Well, how is aluminum good? That can't be good.

00:56:11.540 And I'm like, well, I'll go to my tap water. Well, I don't know.

00:56:13.840 I have concerns about the tap water for the very reasons you said.

00:56:16.840 So right now I'm just thirsty. It's probably not the solution, Darren.

00:56:22.700 So I would love to give you a comment on the water. But then let me just give you another one quickly.

00:56:26.600 I went for my teeth cleaning the other day and at the end it was a normal teeth cleaning.

00:56:31.660 But at the end, the lady put fluoride all over my teeth without I did not know she was going to do this. 1.00

00:56:37.300 She like shoved it all over. By the way, it was disgusting.

00:56:39.960 It felt like having like paste on your teeth. And she said, keep it on for at least an hour if you can and then brush it out.

00:56:46.380 It was like caked in there. When I flossed my teeth, you had like big chunks of paste.

00:56:50.860 I don't recommend it. But then I'm reading in your book like fluoride danger, danger.

00:56:55.480 You probably definitely don't want to be sucking on it for an hour like I was.

00:56:58.760 So that's just two examples that's in everybody's lives.

00:57:01.720 So what are your thoughts on those two things?

00:57:04.220 Yeah, water is a big one. And like you said, so I have an easy solution for you.

00:57:08.980 So buy a reverse osmosis water filter for your home and that pushes through a membrane which doesn't allow those small particulates and compounds to get through.

00:57:21.820 Now you've cleaned your water. You can add a pinch of unrefined electrolytes or salts back to it.

00:57:29.940 No problem. And now buy a bunch of glass bottles, put that down there, fill them up, put them in your workout studio.

00:57:38.100 So everyone's got their own. The kids got theirs. The husband, the you, everyone's got your own glass bottles.

00:57:46.800 Boom, done. No more plastic and you have clean, good water.

00:57:50.680 So and that that's for everybody. So these things are expensive.

00:57:54.900 These things are their reverse osmosis unit is a couple hundred bucks.

00:57:59.940 And the savings you get. So let's look at the savings.

00:58:03.760 The savings is, of course, there's a money savings because you're not buying plastic.

00:58:09.500 You're not buying water that's surrounded by plastics that's chelating without a doubt.

00:58:14.860 It's chelating phthalates, BPAs, BPHs.

00:58:22.100 It's petroleum based and it's leaching into you.

00:58:26.500 It's mimicking estrogen compounds.

00:58:28.360 So it's adding to endocrine disruption, binding estrogen in your body.

00:58:35.780 So your body perceives there's more estrogen than what's actually natural, which creates a whole cascade.

00:58:42.380 The whole endocrine system works on minute changes.

00:58:48.400 And so when you introduce any chemical exposure that's mimicking that, it has a has a downstream effect that's really bad.

00:58:55.480 And then that's a whole nother discussion of leading to things like endometriosis, having periods earlier than necessary menopause, having disruptions and menopause either earlier or more painful endometriosis, men's sperm counts plummeting.

00:59:13.920 So, so, so, and then think about, I, I, I looked at this really interestingly and it just kind of dawned on me that, you know, we are a micro organism.

00:59:25.600 So if I'm exposing myself to there's pesticides, there's herbicides, they act as kind of antibiotics in our good microflora.

00:59:35.740 So that's a whole nother thing, glyphosate, rips, creates a lot of digestive disorders and things like that.

00:59:44.740 So now, now with that one water tweak, you've cleaned up your water, you've lessened this exposure.

00:59:51.360 And I think of all of this stuff, Megan, is going from the inside out.

00:59:56.400 That's the approach I would take.

00:59:58.600 If I was looking at this fatal convenience thing, I would say like, okay, you're opening your mouth to the world.

01:00:04.100 Let's clean that up first.

01:00:06.720 Let's minimize food that's wrapped in plastic, minimize ultra processed food because it's not even food much anymore.

01:00:15.120 It's more of the chemicals and preservatives and flow agents and, and things like that.

01:00:20.820 So minimize that exposure.

01:00:23.140 And then in terms of the water, clean the water yourself with the reverse osmosis, get some good glass jars.

01:00:31.360 And, and, and then from there, you kind of can work your way out.

01:00:36.580 In terms of fluoride, wow, this is a, this is a movie.

01:00:41.000 I was so deep into the fluoride thing.

01:00:44.860 It was freaky.

01:00:46.400 Um, so, you know, there was some studies way back in the day, a few dental researchers, uh, was discovering fluoride and they realized, yeah, there is some cap potential cavity, uh, support there.

01:01:02.620 But, but, but what, what, what they didn't take into account is naturally occurring fluoride, uh, or really it's called, it's fluorine.

01:01:12.480 Um, they, they, they saw that in the dust bowl, that when the dust off of the, uh, central United States blew over it, landed up in this one kind of town and they had mineral rich soil and they had a lot of these naturally occurring minerals as well as fluorine.

01:01:32.600 And they had perfect teeth.

01:01:33.900 So there was these researchers on the one hand, this other kind of anecdotal research that they started to research and see that it was good for the teeth.

01:01:43.140 And then they adopted and the thing that they take a left turn and every, every fatal convenience, Megan is a left turn.

01:01:50.880 You're saying, okay, there's some evidence.

01:01:53.560 Let's look at this.

01:01:54.440 Let's test it.

01:01:55.340 Let's go.

01:01:56.320 But then they take a left turn and the fluoride that they're putting in the water.

01:02:00.820 We didn't, did we have a say in that by the way?

01:02:03.300 No, you put a, you put a, you put a compound in there and it's a derivative of the aluminum industry.

01:02:13.140 And the, the, the, the herbicidal industry.

01:02:16.960 So that fluoride is not naturally occurring.

01:02:21.660 It's a, it's a, it's coming from these industries.

01:02:25.200 And so they're blasting it.

01:02:26.600 And then the research was alarming because it's absolutely connected in children to lower the studies in my book, lowering IQ with that exposure.

01:02:37.340 So, so it really was showing as a neurotoxic compound.

01:02:42.340 And so, you know, in our water, in our toothpastes, uh, promoting it to kids, uh, is just, what should we be doing with?

01:02:51.400 I mean, should we be using toothpaste?

01:02:53.020 Should we be getting like the whole foods toothpaste, which doesn't have fluoride in it?

01:02:56.740 What should we be doing?

01:02:57.680 100%.

01:02:58.080 Yeah.

01:02:58.440 Stay away from fluoride.

01:02:59.400 There's, there's, there's, listen, you take care of yourself, lower the sugary foods, eat more plants, all of that stuff.

01:03:06.220 That's good for your teeth anyway. 0.82

01:03:07.700 And then I wouldn't expose yourself to fluoride in any way.

01:03:11.980 Filter that water, get rid of the toothpaste.

01:03:14.900 There's a great company called bite toothpaste.

01:03:17.340 It's little bites, clean products, sustainable packaging, refillable.

01:03:23.000 And you just bite down on it and you brush normally.

01:03:25.740 It's like, I'm mad.

01:03:26.660 I let the lady put that on me. 1.00

01:03:28.020 She said you had it the last time.

01:03:29.380 I'm like, no, I did.

01:03:30.420 As soon as you put it on, I'm like, I have never had this disgusting thing on my, anyway.

01:03:33.880 Okay.

01:03:34.200 I'm halfway gone.

01:03:35.600 But it's a good point, Megan, because once you become aware, it's not even them, even the

01:03:42.160 doctors and their, their quote unquote protocols, it's all right to go.

01:03:48.140 Okay.

01:03:48.260 If I now have that awareness, I'm just not going to have that done.

01:03:51.440 That's not necessary.

01:03:53.040 And that's your choice to say no to that stuff.

01:03:56.340 So yes.

01:03:57.580 Right.

01:03:58.100 So here's the other thing, but one of the things that alarmed me was as somebody who

01:04:02.320 my doctor always tells me, he's very Frank.

01:04:05.320 He says, I have an excellent chance of get a chance of getting skin cancer.

01:04:09.100 Excellent chance.

01:04:10.260 And cause I'm so fair and I'm half Irish and, you know, I'm just very pasty. 0.98

01:04:14.980 So I definitely use sunscreen on myself and I lather my kids in it because they're as pasty

01:04:22.420 as I am.

01:04:23.060 And they, unlike me, they're out in the sun all day during the summer.

01:04:27.120 You know, they're, they're on the water, they're playing sports.

01:04:30.800 You know, I'm sure every parent out there listening can relate to this and I don't want

01:04:34.620 them to get skin cancer. 0.71

01:04:35.540 You know, you do all the damage usually under age 12 and it comes back to haunt you later.

01:04:39.300 But I, you are definitely sounding the alarm on, on SP on like sunblock.

01:04:44.480 So what do we do about this problem?

01:04:47.980 Yes.

01:04:48.500 So this is a, this is kind of a straight down the plate common sense.

01:04:52.160 So, you know, listen, I think that the research is very clear that once you go out in the sun,

01:04:58.820 you have to respect your pigment.

01:05:00.860 You have to expect where your melanin levels are, what your tan base is.

01:05:05.180 So yeah, if you're, if you're pasty, respect your pigment, sweetheart, respect your, exactly.

01:05:12.700 So, so if you're, if you haven't had a lot of sun exposure, your actual ability to create

01:05:19.640 vitamin D is greater because your, your body is going to receive that those UV and UV, UVB

01:05:27.560 and UVA light and convert it to vitamin D really efficiently.

01:05:31.640 So, so when you have a base, you can actually stay in the sun longer because, and produce

01:05:38.760 the same amount of vitamins, vitamin D, it takes a little longer.

01:05:42.020 So I say, respect your base, go out with nothing on other than just, you know, get some exposure

01:05:51.560 with no chemicals yet on.

01:05:53.740 So get some good exposure.

01:05:55.420 Don't ever burn.

01:05:56.840 That's clear.

01:05:58.980 You don't want to damage your skin and, and then stay away from these, there's these nasty

01:06:05.560 chemicals and sunscreen, oxybenzenes that are, you know, these are probable carcinogens, right?

01:06:13.740 And so if you're kids, kids out there, let them play a little bit.

01:06:18.640 And then maybe, you know, some very good nanoparticulate zinc oxide that it doesn't absorb

01:06:26.780 in the skin.

01:06:27.780 It's not harmful.

01:06:29.060 It's very good.

01:06:31.120 And then cover up, right?

01:06:33.500 So at a certain point, that's what really gets exposed.

01:06:37.340 Like you can't all day long with the kids.

01:06:39.080 They have to have something.

01:06:40.260 Is there anything that you're okay with?

01:06:42.060 Like they have the new mineral sunscreens that are impossible to rub in, but are those

01:06:46.760 better?

01:06:47.580 Yeah.

01:06:47.840 So yeah.

01:06:48.720 Zinc oxides, titanium oxides, like these kinds of things I have, there's some good

01:06:52.840 DIYs in there.

01:06:53.880 If you want to make a nice little project, I was thinking about this, like, you know,

01:06:58.440 with kids, teach them what you're doing and then do a DIY.

01:07:04.040 And why are you doing this?

01:07:05.360 Hey, we're staying away from these chemicals.

01:07:07.100 We're making our own.

01:07:08.360 You make a big batch and now you have natural deodorant that you had a little class with

01:07:14.080 your, your kids and they get to understand what it is, why it is, uh, it's healthier for

01:07:20.500 them.

01:07:20.880 And they're not also not running around afraid of the sun.

01:07:25.640 It's ridiculous.

01:07:26.420 We have, our skin is solar panels if, and, and if the, the, the research shows anything

01:07:33.280 over 15, the amount of chemicals that are in there were, were sprinting us towards some

01:07:40.980 endocrine disruption.

01:07:42.260 So on the one hand, we get so afraid of this beautiful thing called the sun.

01:07:48.120 And on the other hand, well, why are you afraid of it?

01:07:50.840 Because people keep saying you're going to get cancer, but then there's carcinogenic activity

01:07:55.080 in the damn sunscreen itself.

01:07:57.180 So, you know, but without, without people's knowledge of it, and that's where it gets

01:08:03.680 really wonky, right?

01:08:05.440 So yes, understand, protect your skin.

01:08:09.040 Don't, don't burn.

01:08:10.620 Don't stay out too long.

01:08:12.120 Put a fricking hat on.

01:08:13.260 And there's a lot of great, healthy alternatives, especially for the kids.

01:08:17.640 I'm really in that camp now.

01:08:18.960 I, I actually don't always put on, like, I, I just cover, I'm, I'm, I look like I'm going

01:08:24.740 out for the winter when in the summer months, I wear less in the winter months than I do

01:08:28.560 in the summer months.

01:08:29.640 Now I'm more likely to be in a tank top then, uh, just because I'm, I'm scared of skin cancer

01:08:34.080 and I know it could get me, um, moisturizers.

01:08:38.380 This is fascinating.

01:08:39.560 I mean, most people put moisturizers on their body, their face.

01:08:43.680 Some of us do it every morning and every evening.

01:08:45.760 And I know you like coconut oil.

01:08:48.140 Can I say, this might've been from the last time you were on, you mentioned it.

01:08:52.560 And I did switch over to coconut oil for my body and I just get it in the whole foods

01:08:58.500 out of like the, where you get the olive oil, you just get the, the coconut oil and I love

01:09:04.180 it.

01:09:05.200 It smells so good.

01:09:07.020 It goes on like, it's a little greasy at first, but after one minute it's, it's gone.

01:09:10.680 You don't have to worry about it, like getting on your bed sheets or your clothes.

01:09:13.400 And it does feel like a little bit closer to natural, but you're saying use it on your

01:09:17.640 face to get rid of the expensive beauty products, which are toxic. 0.99

01:09:24.340 Yeah.

01:09:24.760 I mean, listen, there, there's some great, I called out some great companies in there.

01:09:29.240 Uh, I actually ran into a very good friend of mine, Ben Fuchs is a pharmacist and he created

01:09:34.400 25 years ago when I lived in Boulder, Colorado, he created a great, uh, skin nutrition.

01:09:40.360 He doesn't even call it care.

01:09:41.960 It's nutrition for the skin and it's called truth treatments.

01:09:46.360 And, uh, and he's just been a good friend.

01:09:48.900 And so when you realize that this is nutrition, this is, it's not about, there's nothing.

01:09:55.100 The problem with all this stuff, it, it, it, it manipulates us into thinking we're wrong

01:10:00.720 or we're broken or something.

01:10:02.660 So, so therefore we got to do this.

01:10:04.600 Oh my God, your skin's wrong. 1.00

01:10:06.300 It's not, it can't protect itself at all.

01:10:09.420 So this, this sun's going to bother you.

01:10:11.580 It's going to affect you.

01:10:12.660 It's going to kill you all of this stuff.

01:10:14.440 And this is where it just gets really wonky.

01:10:16.680 So yes, I mean, the skin, you know, sometimes depending on, you know, someone's health, what

01:10:25.020 their sebum is doing, which is the, the, the skin has like 2,500 to 6,000 per square inch

01:10:33.220 of the sebum.

01:10:34.100 It's natural moisturizers of the skin and with the moisturizers, if we've become chemicalized

01:10:40.440 and we keep putting these moisturizers, which they're full of parabens and phthalates, which

01:10:46.260 are also to a double whammy of more endocrine disruption, uh, then it kind of hijacks this

01:10:53.940 natural sebum, uh, natural mechanism.

01:10:56.820 So when you go back to, and I'm really happy to hear that when you go back to these natural

01:11:02.080 oils, there's something that just feels better.

01:11:06.400 And then all of these fatal conveniences, when you can make the shift, there's something powerful

01:11:12.820 in it because you start to integrate it.

01:11:15.720 Your knowledge becomes action becomes the change.

01:11:18.720 And then you line yourself up with things that are infinitely better for you.

01:11:23.120 And over time, and this is how it all started with me.

01:11:26.120 When my dad had chemical sensitivity in the nineties, I thought he was crazy, just like everyone

01:11:32.200 else.

01:11:32.620 But then when he would sell, send the care package to me that I had to use in order to

01:11:38.580 be around him.

01:11:39.540 When I came back from college, uh, I started to realize, oh, this stuff is harming me.

01:11:46.080 I just didn't know about it because I'm human and we adapt so well, but our, our adaptation,

01:11:53.700 uh, doesn't necessarily mean a good thing.

01:11:56.940 Um, so, so yeah, it's a lot of this stuff when you, when I say it, when I talk about it,

01:12:03.360 when I reveal it, it's shocking, but it's also a common sense kind of thing.

01:12:07.920 Well, and the thing is, I like the, the whole body thing for the skin makes sense to me.

01:12:13.660 There's so much area, you know, that's like, you should pay attention.

01:12:16.920 You're going to cover your whole body in a product.

01:12:19.740 You should feel good about that product.

01:12:21.920 You know, the face, even if I start just using coconut oil on face, I like a lot of people

01:12:28.240 also then cover my face and makeup.

01:12:30.620 And I know you're worried about lipstick and you're worried about eye makeup.

01:12:34.620 Like that's a deal breaker.

01:12:36.060 That's where we break up, Darren.

01:12:37.200 Like we got to, yeah, you have a couple of brands that you say we can have, but even

01:12:42.240 if I decided to stay with my current brands, I think your point is just cut out what you

01:12:47.580 can.

01:12:48.180 It's like, try to limit.

01:12:49.780 You don't have to shoot for perfect.

01:12:52.840 Yeah.

01:12:53.280 Yeah, exactly.

01:12:53.980 I mean, and listen, on the side, Megan, I just say, you know, play with some stuff, just

01:12:59.360 practice with it.

01:13:00.280 And you can always go back.

01:13:01.500 I mean, clearly you're, you're in the position you're, you always have to use some of these

01:13:06.260 things.

01:13:06.760 By the way, my ex-wife, Eliza Koop used to take from, she'd get off set. 1.00

01:13:11.640 You know what?

01:13:12.080 Coconut oil became the, one of the great ways to clean makeup really efficiently off the 0.99

01:13:17.340 face.

01:13:17.740 Right.

01:13:18.100 Really?

01:13:18.640 Clean it off.

01:13:19.520 The coconut.

01:13:20.060 Yeah.

01:13:20.300 It was amazing.

01:13:21.300 Clean it off and then wash her face normally.

01:13:24.100 And, um, yeah, so listen, I'm not saying slather yourself with coconut oil, even not, even

01:13:29.580 though I've done that for a long time, but, but there are better nutritional products that

01:13:36.280 you can put on your skin that are gifting for your skin.

01:13:39.600 Um, so, so that's the shift.

01:13:41.700 And then in terms of makeup, yeah, I mean, uh, there's some great beetroot, uh, DIYs

01:13:49.060 I have in the book.

01:13:49.900 So, so you can play with the beetroot and the bright, you know, red colors and stuff.

01:13:55.000 Yeah.

01:13:55.500 Well, I would love to see it to, to, to see you try.

01:13:59.660 Yeah.

01:14:00.020 I would, I think that we could make a show out of that for sure.

01:14:03.260 I, I would, I want to move on to food, but can I ask you about a couple like men's products,

01:14:07.820 shaving cream.

01:14:08.900 Well, what are you supposed to use instead?

01:14:11.700 Uh, easy.

01:14:13.260 That, that one's easy.

01:14:14.220 Like shaving the shower, your skin is already there.

01:14:16.960 I, I actually use my, um, natural cleanser.

01:14:21.360 So when I'm cleansing my face, um, I'll just use that.

01:14:24.860 So it's like a little soapy and I'll just shave there.

01:14:28.560 But I always, for 20 years, I just shaved in the shower.

01:14:32.280 So when you say natural cleanser, you're saying that cause you don't like soap either.

01:14:37.040 Well, I mean, there's, there's healthier soap, but most of the exfoliants and 0.99

01:14:41.680 regular soap are just very, very stripping and drying of the skin, which is again, kind

01:14:47.580 of thwarting your natural mechanisms.

01:14:50.300 Um, and by the way, you don't have to shower.

01:14:53.620 You can shower off, but you don't have to soap yourself all the time.

01:14:59.000 Maybe, you know, some of the areas that get a little more activity, but you don't have to

01:15:05.200 always soap every square inch of your body all the time.

01:15:08.660 Yeah.

01:15:09.020 And you don't have to shower all the time either.

01:15:10.400 My husband is an obsessive shower.

01:15:12.260 His entire family, they love the damn shower.

01:15:14.580 My God, it would take three showers a day.

01:15:16.800 Not me.

01:15:17.760 I'm like four times a week.

01:15:20.140 Fine.

01:15:20.720 I don't need to be in there seven days.

01:15:23.000 What you say happens to your skin does happen to your skin.

01:15:25.780 If you over shower.

01:15:28.120 For sure.

01:15:28.840 Especially then you're adding on the products too.

01:15:31.020 And whatever those questionable products are, are just creating a further, a further challenge

01:15:36.600 for your skin itself.

01:15:38.300 All right.

01:15:39.300 So I want to talk about food because that's, that's what everybody worries about.

01:15:42.780 And God, we get so much conflicting information.

01:15:44.400 It's so annoying.

01:15:45.580 So annoying.

01:15:46.300 So let me take a quick pause and we'll come back.

01:15:48.580 We'll pick it up on the food front right after this with Darren.

01:15:50.980 Don't go away.

01:15:55.180 So food.

01:15:56.260 All right, Darren, walk us through what you eat in a day.

01:15:59.300 I usually wake up and I have a smoothie probably within the first hour of my being awake.

01:16:09.840 And that's usually consists of a bunch of fruit.

01:16:13.980 And I do use raw living spirulina, my Baruca nuts I found, and usually a little scoop of Shakeology

01:16:24.860 that I created for Beachbody.

01:16:26.680 And then, and then I'll work out in a little bit and I'll come back and have maybe like oatmeal, nuts, berries, a smoothie bowl.

01:16:36.860 Um, and then I'll kind of go, uh, till the end of the day, uh, from there.

01:16:44.560 And that, that will be usually a massive, massive Flintstone size salad, um, tempeh, um, you know, uh, avocado.

01:16:57.400 Um, um, I'm, um, I, I really like to make a killer burrito or, uh, even vegan pizza, um, that kind of thing.

01:17:07.180 But, uh, that's, that's typically what it is.

01:17:10.060 Um, two to two to three meals a day.

01:17:13.000 Where do you stand on?

01:17:14.720 Cause I know there's a chapter on red meat, poultry, those kinds of, uh, protein sources.

01:17:20.720 I, for me personally, I've kind of like, um, I've eliminated the middleman and the middleman of, of needing to get, uh, uh, protein or amino acids from, from the flesh of, uh, of another animal.

01:17:37.200 I just don't need so, you know, better part of 20 years running around the globe, looking at nutrient dense food.

01:17:43.840 I was like, well, why would I need to kill anything in order to, to eat it?

01:17:47.700 So my point of view is you don't need it.

01:17:50.120 Um, however, in the book, I did say, if you, if you must, I have many suggestions of, of complete proteins and everything else.

01:17:58.160 I am not ever, uh, protein starved.

01:18:01.920 Um, but I do have suggestions for people to find better versions of, of conventional grown meat and poultry and eggs and all of that stuff.

01:18:12.640 Cause there's, there's some massive, massive dangers to that, that whole conventional growing process for sure.

01:18:19.880 Well, yeah.

01:18:20.320 I mean, so you're supposed to be using pasture raised eggs, right?

01:18:24.560 What's the, I feel like the conventional wisdom on eggs changes every two years.

01:18:29.120 They're full of cholesterol.

01:18:30.480 You shouldn't eat them.

01:18:31.120 You should only eat the whites and not the yolks. 0.55

01:18:33.780 You should eat them every day.

01:18:36.000 They're in a massive and important source of protein.

01:18:39.200 Like I, I don't know what the, I'm so confused.

01:18:43.220 Well, from my point of view, no, it's, it's, it's not confusing.

01:18:46.260 Like, again, why would I eat the, the menstruation of a, of a, of a chicken? 1.00

01:18:52.860 Uh, like there's, there's, there's, there's no need for me to eat that.

01:19:01.120 That is not, I'm not going to be starved of, uh, of chicken menstruation.

01:19:06.120 Um, it's just not necessary.

01:19:08.880 And yeah, I mean, the cholesterol argument, all of these people there every day there's,

01:19:14.440 there's, there's, there's websites dedicated to people eating huge amounts of meat and cholesterol

01:19:20.100 and stuff who are having severe problems.

01:19:23.580 They're in a really bad experiment.

01:19:26.560 Uh, and, and you, all you see is people getting a six pack abs in the first two weeks of doing

01:19:32.260 that stuff.

01:19:32.760 So listen, I, I, I am not a fan of those kinds of things.

01:19:36.620 You look at the longevity studies, the long populations, they, they didn't eat much at

01:19:42.720 all of, of animal-based proteins.

01:19:45.480 So again, I just go back to healthy, whole living food.

01:19:49.760 Um, and, uh, if you eat a wide variety of nuts, seeds, legumes, mushrooms, uh, plants, fiber,

01:19:58.720 fiber is the king.

01:20:00.240 Um, and we're learning more and more.

01:20:02.760 If you increase your fiber, you help to increase your diversity of your microbiome, your microbiome

01:20:08.760 is healthy.

01:20:09.360 You're going to actually going to receive and assimilate the food.

01:20:13.240 Um, you can gobble all you want, but it's what your body can receive.

01:20:17.420 And it's what is in the food.

01:20:19.000 We, we do know that over the course of the last industrial, from the industrial revolution

01:20:24.580 to our, us trying to maximize the food consumption, the nutrient value for sure, even the protein

01:20:30.600 value has gone down in all in about 43 tested, um, uh, uh, plants.

01:20:37.460 And so, so you, you have to definitely kind of break free of that conventional, uh, food

01:20:45.440 thing that is going on and, and try to grow your own food.

01:20:50.400 We have 47 million acres of lawn in the United States.

01:20:55.800 So, uh, Paul Hawken, good buddy of mine was pointing this out.

01:20:59.780 Like, and then if you just take half of that, we eliminate food insecurity.

01:21:03.860 And then you increase the nutrient value of the food, and then you have it readily available.

01:21:11.780 Uh, and, and, and largely we go, we go forward knowing where our food is.

01:21:19.240 Um, and, and instead of transporting food around the world, um, that has to be picked early that

01:21:29.160 as soon as you pick it, the nutrient value plummets.

01:21:31.940 Um, and, and then, you know, the, the ultra processed delirium that we're in that 40% of the people

01:21:44.040 in America are consuming ultra processed foods.

01:21:47.040 And of that, most of the calories are coming from what they're coming from cheap cookies and

01:21:54.460 crackers and chips and dessert, desertery things.

01:21:59.980 Like that's crazy.

01:22:01.660 And then you add on top of it, kids, um, who are consuming 60% of their calories from nutrient

01:22:10.220 starved food.

01:22:12.100 So I look at all this stuff.

01:22:13.680 I look at my fatal convenience.

01:22:15.020 Yeah.

01:22:15.200 I scratched my head.

01:22:16.240 I swore many times during this, the writing of this book, because, because I'm staring at

01:22:22.300 the research, I had 20 researchers helping me scour through each chapter could have been its

01:22:29.040 own book.

01:22:30.040 Um, so, you know, my biggest thing is I, I, I get impatient and, uh, when, when I don't

01:22:36.680 see regulatory bodies and I don't see, and I see people suffering, you know, you and I

01:22:41.240 talked about my super life book.

01:22:42.720 I think these things go together.

01:22:44.600 You can try to eat all the best things you want in your life and you're working really

01:22:49.940 hard.

01:22:51.280 But when then, when you're getting exposed to chemicals that are literally creating metabolic

01:22:56.380 syndrome, causing all kinds of problems, undercutting your, your ability to live optimally,

01:23:03.780 we have to look at this stuff.

01:23:06.160 We have to look at this honestly so that we can start to change this stuff because the

01:23:11.900 delusion of someone out there, how could they possibly let 60 to 80,000 chemicals in

01:23:20.400 our environment and only test 1500?

01:23:24.340 Yeah, exactly.

01:23:25.540 How could that?

01:23:26.940 And so that's the craziness that we're living.

01:23:30.120 And, and then just the little finish on that is we, they don't, they, they don't test for

01:23:36.840 safety first.

01:23:38.120 They, they wait until there's a, there's a large body of pushback and then they use things

01:23:46.120 called plausible deniability, where if they don't test their products, then they don't

01:23:52.560 actually know they're harmful.

01:23:54.540 And so then, and then using all these loopholes of fragrances and flavorings and all of this

01:24:00.180 stuff, it's just ridiculous.

01:24:02.240 And so I'm not here to go, Oh my God, that's so, you know, you know, yeah, there's, there's,

01:24:08.760 there's, these are shitty regulations.

01:24:11.000 They shouldn't be this way.

01:24:12.420 But again, like, I don't want to spend time.

01:24:15.180 I'm staring at it.

01:24:16.380 I get pissed off for a second, but I want to spend time with the mamas of the world to 1.00

01:24:20.880 wake up and go, Hey, there's, there's things that you can help the whole family.

01:24:24.700 You can help your whole community.

01:24:26.300 You can help your pet.

01:24:27.880 You can help your child.

01:24:29.220 You can help your husband.

01:24:30.260 You can help yourself.

01:24:32.120 Uh, and, and these things are added up over time.

01:24:36.840 They are causing all kinds of problems that, you know, you're going to your doctor or they

01:24:42.320 want to give you more medication.

01:24:43.780 They don't even know what the hell is going on.

01:24:45.740 But when we clean up this chemical fricking romance that we have going on, you clean up

01:24:52.160 your house, your house being your body first, your house, second, your family, then we have

01:24:59.780 a revolution of health because, you know, I use this example where if you want to see

01:25:06.020 the power of nature, which is us, look at Chernobyl, you know, we, that's us at the

01:25:13.480 extreme, right?

01:25:14.620 There's a meltdown.

01:25:16.600 No one can ever live there again.

01:25:18.620 But if you go back there and if you see the film and the footage, guess what nature did?

01:25:24.520 Nature said, I don't care if the soil is contaminated and it blasted through. 0.94

01:25:29.180 So wildlife came back and plants are growing.

01:25:32.320 It's like in the face of that toxicology, right?

01:25:37.220 So that's what I believe.

01:25:39.060 I believe that more powerfully than anything else that we, if we get the hell out of the

01:25:46.680 way, if we get this shit out of the way and we allow ourselves to let life flourish, we

01:25:55.340 are so fricking unstoppable and powerful.

01:26:00.120 That's what I want for people.

01:26:01.900 That's the other side of super life.

01:26:04.260 Get rid of this shit so that your body can fricking thrive because it knows how to do it.

01:26:10.240 But if we're constantly being warded by these subtle and persistent, cumulative burdens, then

01:26:20.140 how the hell are we supposed to have the life that we truly want?

01:26:22.900 We're dragging around a chemistry set of all of this chemical exposure.

01:26:27.940 It's like, no, no way, man.

01:26:29.660 It feels so overwhelming.

01:26:32.660 You know, it feels like, what if I, okay, so I switch the, the moisturizing lotion and

01:26:37.680 this shaving cream and the shampoo, and I try to grow a garden and eat from it or buy

01:26:44.680 organic, avoid the dirty dozen.

01:26:47.720 We can talk about that.

01:26:48.680 You like frozen, frozen fruits, um, somewhat more.

01:26:52.940 Um, then I sit down in my chair, which has been sprayed for, you know, to be, to be fire

01:27:00.340 retardant. 0.99

01:27:01.280 And then I go over and I walk on my carpet, which has been sprayed to be dog pee repellent.

01:27:07.920 And, you know, so, and then I just breathe the air, which is sending over plastics from

01:27:12.520 Germany, you know, or I just read that new car smell that everybody loves that those are

01:27:17.980 chemicals.

01:27:18.520 You're, you're inhaled.

01:27:19.260 So it's like, oh my God, why am I, why am I worried about the damn coconut oil on my

01:27:24.160 body?

01:27:24.620 There's no, there's no getting out of this.

01:27:28.080 Right.

01:27:29.040 Yeah.

01:27:29.440 But it's all, it's everything, Megan.

01:27:31.000 It's like, it's everything.

01:27:32.000 So it's like, I think of this as like, look at, look at relationships that work and, and

01:27:37.720 that don't work.

01:27:38.700 If you don't face your problems with each other, then your, your relationship's screwed,

01:27:45.380 right?

01:27:45.940 You have to face these honestly.

01:27:47.720 I wish I didn't have to write this book.

01:27:50.720 I wish my dad didn't suffer from this.

01:27:53.400 I wish people with electrosensitivity aren't suffering as a result of smartifying everything. 0.53

01:27:59.860 I wish it didn't exist, but it does exist.

01:28:04.360 So what are we going to sit back and be a victim?

01:28:07.880 Or are we going to make these consistent changes?

01:28:10.660 And again, your change, I'm inspired by you because by you taking that coconut oil, you've

01:28:17.120 just now eliminated the largest organ, uh, in your, on your body, in your body, for your

01:28:24.540 body.

01:28:25.240 Now you're not chemicalizing it with phthalates and parabens and fragrances that are undercutting

01:28:31.500 your health.

01:28:31.980 That is massive, massive.

01:28:35.600 And then the snowball happens.

01:28:37.620 When you become an advocate for yourself, then you're unstoppable.

01:28:44.180 And then you just make the next choice.

01:28:46.060 Like, oh, wow.

01:28:47.240 He's not saying, Darren's not saying don't use perfume.

01:28:51.080 Just don't use their perfume.

01:28:52.680 Use rose oil, a hydrosol of lavender, uh, flower essences, which will not only help you

01:29:02.720 parasympathetically help your stress response during the day.

01:29:07.000 It actually will help the other people around you as opposed to abusing you, right?

01:29:13.660 And abusing other people around you with these fragrances that are created in the lab.

01:29:18.660 So can we spend a minute on, on, um, radio, on electromagnetic radiation?

01:29:24.080 Cause I know that is a thing.

01:29:25.800 Um, yeah, we know you're referencing now and chemicals are that the sensitivity to it.

01:29:30.280 So can you explain what that is and what people need to know?

01:29:34.300 Yeah.

01:29:34.700 So very quickly, the research is kind of, it's a big rabbit hole, but even the WHO is pushing

01:29:41.080 for the classification of electrosensitivity as a classification of a type of disability for

01:29:47.920 people.

01:29:48.240 And there's about, I think about 17% that have, that have acknowledged 17% of the people

01:29:54.500 in this country that have realized they are electrosensitive.

01:29:59.100 So obviously the easy one is a cell phone, right?

01:30:03.760 So they, they have studied that the FCC has some regulations to it, but it's 20 years old.

01:30:10.080 And all they're really doing is taking in the thermal heat of those things, calling that

01:30:16.080 a safety, but that's ridiculous because they are frequency generators and the electromagnetic

01:30:21.520 field that they create.

01:30:24.040 And so the research, I was talking with Dr. Andrew Huberman about this, who started to

01:30:30.100 dive into it too.

01:30:31.460 And there's some very clear things that pop up.

01:30:33.960 It is so weird because it's almost as if it's a chemical exposure.

01:30:38.200 So one thing is it opens up the blood brain barrier.

01:30:42.820 Again, all of this stuff is by proximity and long use.

01:30:48.300 So if you take a call and it's five seconds, it's not really going to do much to you.

01:30:53.940 But if you're taking a call all day, every day, wifi, laptop, a cell phone, and you're swimming

01:31:00.980 around in this, it shows that over time, blood brain barrier opens up, proteins can go into

01:31:06.980 the brain that aren't supposed to be there.

01:31:09.080 And then a cascade of inflammatory responses can happen.

01:31:12.540 The other thing is these fields, again, over time and proximity, if that cell phone is close

01:31:20.200 to me, up to me, then that's where it gets really damaging.

01:31:24.220 It creates free radical oxygen species, can compromise the immune system.

01:31:28.660 And then the other crazy things are it's causing more EDCs, endocrine disrupting activity in

01:31:38.040 the body, and the motility and the sperm activity of men are going down, as well as testosterone.

01:31:46.760 So that is really, really alarming.

01:31:51.960 So there's many different studies that kept showing that there's enough evidence around

01:31:56.540 that stuff.

01:31:57.120 But again, it's a little bit of like the tobacco industry and the telecommunications.

01:32:02.200 They're like, yep, everyone acknowledged needs more study.

01:32:05.960 But then you're like, okay, you're showing that there's damage.

01:32:10.500 And you keep saying there's more study.

01:32:12.460 Why the hell are you increasing all of this stuff?

01:32:15.500 Because 1G, 2G, 3G, 4G, 5G, they're all still here.

01:32:19.080 So I think of it as terms of, it's pollution.

01:32:23.000 And that pollution is causing stress on the body.

01:32:25.600 Think of it as pollution and stress.

01:32:27.680 You don't have to be a PhD in electromedicine to understand what's going on.

01:32:33.040 But this stuff is causing stress.

01:32:35.960 We know that.

01:32:37.160 They're a probable carcinogenic activity because they're showing diloma response.

01:32:43.160 So when you put a cell phone up to your head, again, over time and proximity, there's links

01:32:50.160 to gyloma cancers.

01:32:51.580 So this is showing up all over in the research.

01:32:54.820 So my question is, if it's all over hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of studies,

01:33:00.240 why is it that we're not talking about it?

01:33:03.560 Why is it that we don't force these telecommunication companies to do some safety data and safety steps?

01:33:10.900 They do show and say that the cell phone should not be nine inches close to your body.

01:33:18.940 Who does that?

01:33:20.220 Everyone takes a phone call and you put it up to your head.

01:33:22.640 They took it, put it in your sports bra.

01:33:24.280 They put it in their pocket.

01:33:25.880 Get that shit off of your body.

01:33:28.500 Put it on airplane mode.

01:33:30.640 Get protective devices.

01:33:32.220 I talk to a bunch about stuff.

01:33:34.100 Turn your Wi-Fi router off at night.

01:33:37.100 You don't need it.

01:33:38.280 You will sleep better.

01:33:40.160 It's connected to sleep apnea and a bunch of other stuff.

01:33:43.740 So it's stress.

01:33:45.640 You can't see it.

01:33:46.660 You can't smell it.

01:33:47.600 You can't taste it.

01:33:48.980 But it's there.

01:33:50.640 And a minimum, you know, a lot of people sleep with their cell phones next to their bed.

01:33:54.260 And why you wouldn't put it on on airplane mode when you go to sleep and it's right next

01:33:59.660 to your head.

01:34:00.080 That's silly.

01:34:00.640 Of course, that's what you should do.

01:34:02.220 Put it on airplane.

01:34:03.180 You don't need your sleep.

01:34:04.480 So why would you be so close to it letting, you know, something happen?

01:34:08.120 But, you know, I bet some people are feeling overwhelmed right now.

01:34:11.480 Like, oh, my God, I'd rather like if all this is true.

01:34:14.860 Why isn't everybody watching walking around with glioblastomas in the head and their, you

01:34:19.660 know, their skin falling off from all the toxic chemicals?

01:34:22.280 And, you know, people like me who grew up in the 1970s where I was having McDonald's every

01:34:26.860 other day.

01:34:27.280 I'm most preserved, most processed food ever.

01:34:30.740 I'm fine.

01:34:31.240 My numbers are great.

01:34:32.360 Thank God.

01:34:32.760 And my lipid panels, all that stuff.

01:34:33.920 So you think, OK, this is all survivable.

01:34:36.440 So the people who just want to sort of shrug their shoulders and say, I'm not dealing with

01:34:39.460 this bullshit.

01:34:40.820 Final message to them.

01:34:42.820 Yeah, that's fine.

01:34:43.680 They can do whatever they want.

01:34:44.800 Like, I'm not here to convince anybody.

01:34:46.260 I want to give you information.

01:34:47.440 If you want a choice, if you want to deny your your common sense, if it if it if it isn't

01:34:53.420 common sense for you not to put your phone up to your head, there's nothing I can do

01:34:58.080 for you.

01:34:58.460 So I would say, hey, this is about living the greatest life ever from my point of view.

01:35:03.640 Take it or don't.

01:35:05.540 You know, I just want people to have the information.

01:35:08.540 Yeah.

01:35:08.780 And again, maybe you could make some changes.

01:35:10.840 Maybe some changes make sense for you that could make a difference long term.

01:35:15.200 And for that, you'll have Darren to thank.

01:35:17.600 Thank you so much.

01:35:18.640 It's great to see you again.

01:35:20.080 Don't forget, his book is called Fatal Conveniences.

01:35:22.480 You can get it right now.

01:35:23.440 You'll order it right now.

01:35:25.060 Fatal Conveniences, the toxic products and harmful habits that are making you sick and

01:35:30.100 the simple changes that will save your health.

01:35:33.480 Fascinating book.

01:35:34.600 You can check them out with Zac Efron, too, in their special Down to Earth on Netflix.

01:35:40.460 They're going to come out with a third season soon.

01:35:42.780 And I want to tell you that tomorrow we're going to be joined right here on the program

01:35:46.100 by David Sachs of the All In Podcast.

01:35:49.120 Love him.

01:35:49.980 Then on Thursday, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is back with us.

01:35:53.580 That one you won't want to miss.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 09, 2023

Leaked Tucker and DeSantis Videos, and Taking Control of Our Health, with Stu Burguiere, Dave Marcus, and Darin Olien ｜ Ep. 546

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