The Megyn Kelly Show - Leaving the Dems, Leftist Policies in Schools, and Weinstein’s Upcoming Trial, with Tulsi Gabbard and Jonna Spilbor ｜ Ep. 412

00:00:00.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.060 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday. Can I tell

00:00:16.580 you what just happened to me? So two nights ago, I had this dream. I told Abby, I had this dream

00:00:21.220 that I missed the top of the show. It was like 11 minutes into the show and people were still

00:00:27.180 working on getting the camera on and the lights on. And I was like, the show started. You got to

00:00:32.360 get the stuff connected. And Abby said to me, that's so unlike you, MK, because that's worry and

00:00:37.180 you never worry. And it's true. I'm not a worrier. I'm like, yeah, I don't know what the deal is.

00:00:41.600 We're making a plan to go on the road. And like, maybe I was worried about, you know, the technology

00:00:45.620 on the road. Well, there I was downstairs just moments ago getting ready because, you know,

00:00:50.320 I do the show out of my house and my iPhone was almost dead. So I plugged it in out in

00:00:57.160 another room and I went in to get ready. So I only had my little, my little clock that's

00:01:02.120 on my makeup table. And I guess it's slow. And, uh, you know, I'm like, I knew I was up

00:01:10.120 against it, but usually if I'm in the chair by like 56, I'm good. And, um, I hear like

00:01:16.460 this little voice like, Oh, Oh, Oh, I'm like, what's happening. And then I hear Megan and I

00:01:24.940 pop my head out and it's Abby. She goes, you have one minute to air. It's 11 59. And my

00:01:29.680 little clock said I had five more minutes. Who knew? I never checked the accuracy of the

00:01:33.980 little clock kind of just always go by the iPhone, which is nearby it. Anyway, I made it. Um,

00:01:38.980 no worse for the wear, but I thought I'd just share that. Have you ever had those dreams

00:01:43.020 where like you're missing something important? Maybe you should pay attention to those dreams

00:01:46.900 or maybe I made it happen. Maybe like I dreamt it. And then I made, anyway, glad to be with you

00:01:52.700 on this Friday. And clearly I need a couple of mornings of sleeping in. So TGIF. All right,

00:01:58.160 we've got some very hot, hot stories for you. And, uh, the end of a busy week and a lot to go over

00:02:02.660 Nancy Pelosi on tape, threatening to punch president Trump. She's tough. She's super tough. 0.99

00:02:09.900 President Biden suggesting inflation. It's not so bad. It's barely there. Look over here. And parents

00:02:15.560 taking on their school board over a quote, family friendly drag show. And you will not believe

00:02:22.100 who's leading the charge. It's a blast from the past and a story we covered a lot on Fox news.

00:02:28.560 You saw the name. We were like, is that who we think it is? We'll bring you that plus Kelly's

00:02:33.580 court. Uh, and we've got a lot to go over in Kelly's court, some really juicy stuff,

00:02:37.480 a Kim Kardashian podcast. That's playing fast and loose with the truth. Uh, Harvey Weinstein back on

00:02:43.760 trial. Uh, Adnan Syed is now released by that Baltimore prosecutor saying she's not going to charge

00:02:50.400 him again. He can never be charged again now. Um, but wait until you hear what she's basing it on.

00:02:56.700 And we'll talk to you about the so-called lab. She's now claiming exonerates the guy. Anyway,

00:03:00.780 lots to go over, including the Alex Jones verdict as well with a man who used to represent Jones.

00:03:05.860 Okay. We're going to start, however, with a woman who has been all over the news in recent days, 0.99

00:03:09.480 because she has decided to say sayonara to the democratic party. Tulsi Gabbard is a former

00:03:15.480 congresswoman from Hawaii, 2020 democratic presidential candidate, and is now host of

00:03:21.500 the Tulsi Gabbard show. Tulsi, welcome back to the show. Thanks, Megan. It's great to see you and

00:03:32.060 great to talk to you. Oh, it's great to see you too. Have you ever had that where you like, you think

00:03:36.560 you forecast your own lateness, right? And it always happens that dream and that nightmare always

00:03:43.900 happens like the night before I have to be up at a certain time. Uh, this actually happened to me

00:03:49.600 in real life though. Recently, like I always have that phobia of like, Oh my God, I'm going to miss

00:03:53.080 my alarm clock. I had recently, I was getting on a plane somewhere. I had to wake up at three in the

00:03:58.360 morning to go and catch this flight. Uh, and my phone literally died in the middle of the night.

00:04:03.480 And that was where my alarm was at some hotel room. I don't even remember where it literally died

00:04:08.280 completely dead. And, uh, thankfully I woke up like 10 minutes before I was supposed my alarm

00:04:14.260 was going to go off, check my phone. I was like, Oh my God. So the fear is warranted actually. Cause

00:04:22.580 I, I lived through it. It wasn't just a dream. It's not paranoia. It's real. It's based on reality.

00:04:28.040 All right. So let's start with your big news this week. You've launched a new podcast. You, um,

00:04:34.160 have decided to tell the world that you are officially leaving the democratic party,

00:04:39.080 which is remarkable. When you think about just two years ago, you were on the national stage

00:04:43.000 vying for the nomination for that party. I mean, it didn't come as a surprise, I think,

00:04:47.940 to most of us who've been following your career arc, but talk to me about your evolution. You know,

00:04:53.100 like, when did you go from the point of like, I don't relate to these people and they're bullies

00:04:58.140 and we don't have a lot in common to I'm out of here. Yeah. Well, Megan, you know,

00:05:02.560 I was 21 years old back in 2002 in Hawaii when, uh, very passionate about the environment. I decided

00:05:08.840 to run for the state house in Hawaii had never declared a political affiliation before then

00:05:13.220 and really started to think about which party do I want to, you know, which box do I want to check on

00:05:18.260 that form, uh, to file my election papers and looking at the history of the democratic party,

00:05:23.700 especially in Hawaii. Uh, you know, I was inspired by, uh, leaders who were fighting for plantation

00:05:29.720 workers who were working under terrible conditions, uh, inspired by national leaders like Martin

00:05:34.980 Luther King, president JFK. And I saw a big tent inclusive democratic party that welcomed people

00:05:41.500 who held views across the spectrum on the biggest issues of the day, who stood up for civil liberties,

00:05:48.120 who stood up for free speech. And, and it made sense to me to join the democratic party. The Republican

00:05:53.600 party in Hawaii, especially had been the party of the elite, the party of the, the, the rich and

00:05:59.500 powerful. Uh, and I was interested in being a part of a party that was fighting for the people and

00:06:03.860 fighting to protect our environment. Uh, fast forward over the years, uh, you look back at when I ran for

00:06:12.040 president in 2020, uh, really living through what we are seeing now in like high definition and in

00:06:20.620 extreme, which is how, uh, this democratic party of today that's controlled by fanatical ideologues

00:06:27.960 through that presidential campaign as a democratic candidate for president. Uh, they attempted to

00:06:34.900 limit my ability to speak to voters, uh, limit my exposure and actively sought to undermine, uh, and

00:06:41.860 smear my character and credibility in my campaign. Uh, this has not stopped. Anytime the democratic party

00:06:48.860 leaders see someone that challenges their narrative, that questions, the policies they're putting

00:06:54.880 forward rather than just saying, you know what? Hey, I disagree with her. And here are the reasons

00:06:59.980 why instead they take those tactics of, uh, smear, destroy, cancel work with big tech to censor because

00:07:08.700 they don't stand for freedom. They don't believe in the constitution and are actively seeking to

00:07:15.120 undermine our God-given rights enshrined in the constitution, freedom of speech, freedom of

00:07:19.860 religion. They want to control the way we think they want to control what information we see. 0.91

00:07:24.780 And it is, it got to a point where this is a party that I can no longer, uh, associate myself with

00:07:31.460 because of the danger and threat that imposes, uh, to our country, to our democracy.

00:07:36.660 All right. So now you're a free agent and that leaves some to ask where, where will she go next?

00:07:41.900 Perhaps as an independent, as a Republican, you might throw your hat in the presidential ring

00:07:48.880 for the other side. It's kind of exciting to see, to think about that switch. And I, I want to bring

00:07:54.920 you to an interview I had with a woman I know is your friend, Christy Noem, governor of South Dakota,

00:08:00.000 who came on this show. And I asked her about the two of you. I got a little sexist in my commentary.

00:08:06.640 Um, you won't be offended. Here it is. Watch.

00:08:09.620 Tulsi is a good friend of mine. In fact, when we were in Congress, uh, we worked out in the mornings

00:08:15.620 together and she's a wonderful person. I was just texting with her a day or two ago about potentially

00:08:20.700 getting together and maybe doing some messaging together, just common sense. You know, here are

00:08:25.700 people with very different backgrounds, but we're both women that care about this country and recognize

00:08:30.900 that the extremes are not getting us anywhere we need to go.

00:08:34.280 I mean, the thought of you and Tulsi Gabbard on the same ticket together someday is too much to bear.

00:08:41.620 That would be so amazing. It would be a, the best looking ticket ever. And then, and be just the

00:08:47.440 brainpower there. Cause obviously you're considerably farther to the right than Tulsi is, but she's just 1.00

00:08:51.880 a reasonable person and she hasn't abandoned all of her democratic principles, but she's willing to

00:08:56.900 compromise and willing to criticize her own side. And it would be exciting to see that happen in any

00:09:03.300 shape. Well, and I think both of us have some, have some scar tissue. You know, I've, I have,

00:09:09.400 I've been beat up by the left for many years, but I've also been beat up by the right and they're,

00:09:14.440 they can be just as vicious as anybody else.

00:09:17.460 Hmm. No, that wasn't really sexist to say you're both good looking. Um,

00:09:21.880 so that's fascinating. I mean, like any interest in that, any, is that tempting at all?

00:09:26.320 Well, Christy, Christy is, she's a, she's a dear friend. And like she said, uh, she and I were,

00:09:31.600 were very disciplined and, and, uh, worked out regularly, uh, with our bipartisan workout group

00:09:37.880 when we were back in Washington. Um, and I, I respect her for the reasons that, that she talked

00:09:42.960 about, you know, it's a friendship that's based on respect that's personal as well as professional

00:09:47.740 and understanding, uh, what's most important, right? It's, it's these values and principles that

00:09:53.360 we share as fellow Americans and focusing on what are the things that we can do together?

00:09:58.320 Cause there is, there is so much, uh, there is so much there. Uh, I have no idea what the future

00:10:03.920 holds, but Christy and I are keeping in touch and, and we'll continue to try to find ways that we can

00:10:09.580 help however we can to bridge the divides in America right now.

00:10:13.980 Um, my God, it would be incredibly exciting. Um, I'm going to, I'm going to just,

00:10:18.480 maybe I'll try to dream it. Apparently when I dream things, they come true, Tulsi. So I,

00:10:22.800 I'll try to dream it. Now, the other possibility is that your old friend, Nancy Pelosi decides to

00:10:28.080 punch you in the face, um, and tries to stop your future career as an independent or a Republican.

00:10:32.980 And I know you've said before, you're not sure what you're going to do in terms of registration, 0.92

00:10:35.920 um, because this is apparently her thing. Um, this is from January 6th prior to the Capitol

00:10:42.720 being breached. CNN got this clip. The daughter was taken by Alexandra Pelosi, Nancy's daughter,

00:10:49.520 because of course, when your mother's in peril, what you do is take out your phone

00:10:52.720 and, and try to document it and then say, and on cue act tough. And here's the clip being lauded

00:11:00.580 by the left today. 0.99

00:11:02.900 I'm going to punch him out. I've been waiting for this, for trespassing on the Capitol ground. 0.95

00:11:09.660 I'm going to punch him out and I'm going to go to jail and I'm going to be happy. 0.97

00:11:12.720 Yes, queen. What do you make of it? That was the first thing I didn't see that clip yesterday, 0.99

00:11:20.840 but I saw some of the others that, that were being played. And I was just wondering,

00:11:25.380 how is it that in this moment of peril that they're describing that there's like a perfect

00:11:30.860 camera angle and shot of, of all of the action that, that was very strange to me. Um, including

00:11:38.040 what we just heard of, I don't know if I ever told you, Megan, I grew up doing martial arts,

00:11:42.560 so I ain't afraid of Nancy Pelosi. I got to tell you, you're good for her rhetorical punch in the 1.00

00:11:50.300 face. It's just so ridiculous. You know, women still, I, a lot of my friends are Democrats and 1.00

00:11:55.480 they still love her. They talk about her. Like she is the queen, you know, like we've got Nancy

00:12:02.520 Pelosi. She's so bad-ass. And just from the stories you told me of what she did to you and 0.83

00:12:07.520 some of these moments, it's really hard for me to just sit there biting my tongue. She's a bully 0.98

00:12:12.780 and she is a not, she is not a nice person. Yeah. You know, you, you think about our democratic 1.00

00:12:18.740 system, our democracy, uh, you know, you often hear people in Washington talk about the U S Capitol

00:12:25.400 as the people's house, the house of representatives as the people's house. Um, the process and, and the,

00:12:33.560 the control with which she exercises over the democratic caucus and over the house. Now that

00:12:39.660 she's speaker, uh, is, is very undemocratic. Uh, you know, she has total control over what bills come 1.00

00:12:46.440 to the house floor, uh, any proposals of rule changes, which I and others tried to implement and

00:12:52.540 get passed, which basically said, Hey, if I, as a member of Congress introduce a bill and I get,

00:12:58.040 let's say a hundred co-sponsors or 120 co-sponsors, then guarantee that this bill will see the light of

00:13:06.200 day on the house floor and get a vote, get an up or down vote, leave it up to me to make the case to

00:13:11.240 my colleagues of, of its merits and why they should vote for it. And if it fails, then that's on me as

00:13:16.200 the person who introduced the bill that was killed. That was never even considered within the,

00:13:21.040 the democratic caucus, uh, uh, to, to turn into reality. And there, there are a lot of different

00:13:26.160 other examples and it's just unfortunate because, uh, every single member of Congress was sent to

00:13:33.840 represent the voices of the people in their districts, their interests, their values, their

00:13:38.920 principles. And yet the reality of how Congress is run couldn't be farther from, uh, that, that vision

00:13:46.920 that our founders had for a representative style, uh, government and democracy. And, and that's,

00:13:52.880 that's what is lost. That's what's so wrong with Washington is you have people like Nancy Pelosi in

00:13:57.020 charge. Um, and they don't, they don't care about the people they say, Oh, we work in the people's

00:14:02.320 house. But when the people come and try to knock on the door and say, Hey, what about our voices?

00:14:07.040 Uh, that those knocks are not answered. That's right. Not, not if they don't completely align with her,

00:14:12.880 her worldview. She's not our president. She's not our, you know, one dictatorial leader, 0.88

00:14:19.400 but she acts like it. Um, on the subject of you leaving the democratic party, to me,

00:14:24.980 it's really interesting because I have so many friends in New York Democrats who have left the

00:14:31.800 democratic party over the past two years are toying with leaving last night. I had dinner with some

00:14:36.380 friends here in Connecticut. And one of the gals was saying how she's a lifelong Democrat. She voted for

00:14:42.120 Joe Biden. She's never voted Republican before in her life, but she is really against this woke

00:14:49.600 nonsense that's being shoved down the throats of our children at school. She's Jewish and she's had, 0.55

00:14:56.360 there's a lot of antisemitism in this movement. A lot of that's, that's why there's so many Jewish 1.00

00:15:00.820 people who have been pretty bold and speaking out about it. And I do think more and more you're

00:15:06.280 going to see Democrats follow the Chelsea Gabbard lane. Like I don't have to stay here. There's a way

00:15:11.080 out, but how do they land it? Tulsi? Because how do they, how do people who are lifelong Democrats

00:15:16.060 who still are pro choice and, you know, they like the social safety net and, you know, all the things

00:15:21.820 that made them Democrats to begin with, how do they walk away? Walk away period. Uh, because just

00:15:29.660 because there are, uh, things that you believe in or, or, uh, issues that you care about that,

00:15:36.380 you know, they may be more aligned with one party or the other. Uh, what I encourage people and what

00:15:41.400 I said in my statement, when I announced I was leaving the democratic party was I invited

00:15:45.880 other Democrats who feel as I do other Democrats who are absolutely sickened by this, this so-called

00:15:54.080 woke radical ideology that is driving democratic party policies today. Walk away, uh, become an

00:16:01.900 independent as I have, uh, recognize that you may, you may be more attracted to policies that may come

00:16:08.560 from a one party or another party, uh, put the partisan stuff aside and just stand on the, your

00:16:16.240 values, your principles and the foundation of freedom. And I think that's, that's really the most

00:16:20.880 important thing. And the most important message that I hope other Democrats in the country here in my

00:16:26.640 message, which is the danger of, of the democratic party that is in power today, that does not respect

00:16:34.240 freedom and is actively seeking to undermine it when they don't respect us as people, as voters,

00:16:41.080 being critical thinkers, being able to think for ourselves, uh, that means they don't respect us. 0.93

00:16:46.680 They think we're stupid and they have this condescending elite attitude towards anyone who, who not only who 0.93

00:16:53.720 doesn't agree with them, that's not enough. Now you can say, yeah, okay, fine. You have a point. 1.00

00:16:57.840 If you're not out there, you know, marching in the protest, holding the sign, holding the bullhorn and

00:17:04.260 proving the depth of your conviction and belief in whatever issue they choose to feature on any given

00:17:12.400 day, then, then you're not good enough. You're not pure enough. Uh, forget all of that crap, become an

00:17:18.920 independent, think for yourself, vote based on the issues you care most about and put the interests 0.95

00:17:25.080 of the people in our country first, rather than thinking vote blue, no matter who, or frankly,

00:17:31.580 even on the Republican side, blindly voting on the Republican side is just as much of a problem.

00:17:37.800 Don't be a blind voter. Look at who the candidates are, look at what you care about and make your choice

00:17:43.680 accordingly. I think that's the best exercise of freedom that we could hope for. Here's my question

00:17:48.580 for you. And I, and I don't know whether you want to get back into politics at all. Like, although

00:17:51.840 that Christy Nome thing could be good. Um, but if you decide to get back into politics, how does one,

00:17:57.420 is there a future for someone who is independent and we can get into, you know, which of your

00:18:02.560 democratic principles that you held very dearly, you still hold onto, you know, I imagine you haven't 1.00

00:18:08.660 gotten rid of all of them just because you've realized a lot of these people are real jerks. Um, and they're 1.00

00:18:13.380 pushing the wrong things. So how do you have, you know, a foot in both camps ideologically or policy

00:18:20.240 wise, you know, and, and go forward in politics, whether it's you or anybody else?

00:18:26.040 I think, I think it's, it's important, uh, to not allow yourself to be pigeonholed into an agenda

00:18:32.500 that's set by someone else. And I think it's important for people who run under the label of a

00:18:37.600 party, uh, be willing to challenge that party. There is an area that you disagree on.

00:18:43.380 Uh, it's, it's not, it doesn't make sense, uh, for anyone to think that you have to conform

00:18:50.620 completely, uh, to one party label or another, if that's what you choose to do, you know, the

00:18:57.300 viability of running for office as an independent, um, is questionable, frankly, uh, under this political

00:19:04.240 system, especially nationally, different States, it may be, uh, have different effect, but the reality

00:19:11.500 is that I think it's something like 45% of Americans don't identify with one party or the

00:19:17.120 other, which makes it a majority of Americans. And that tells us that the problem is not that there

00:19:24.060 is not a demand for independent thinkers and for leaders who are making decisions based on the

00:19:30.000 substance of issues and what's best for the country, rather than what's best for the party.

00:19:33.740 The problem is with the system itself that limits voters from being able to have that opportunity

00:19:39.940 to, to have that, that third choice. Uh, but again, if, if someone chooses to run under one

00:19:46.220 party label or another, uh, ideally we have party leaders who welcome that diversity and views and

00:19:53.340 positions and thought, uh, and, and encourage people to step, step up and lead and serve based on what's in

00:20:00.720 their heart, their conscience and what they feel is the best course of action for the American people.

00:20:07.300 Do you feel like there's been a different reaction in the media to your leaving your party than there

00:20:11.680 has been to Republicans leaving theirs? Like people like, why don't Joe Scarborough or Bill

00:20:18.660 Crystal are these commentators who've decided they're no longer Republicans. They're disgusted with the

00:20:24.300 Republican party. Um, or even people like Liz Cheney who hasn't left the Republican party, but certainly 0.88

00:20:29.880 is ostracized by it because she's been so hardcore anti-Trump and she sounds anti-Republican in a lot

00:20:36.120 of her commentary. In any event, do you think there, they get different treatment than you've received

00:20:40.380 since your announcement? Yeah, sure. I mean, if, if, uh, you, you can see the difference in kind of

00:20:47.840 what I call the permanent Washington and the, you know, the mainstream media in Washington is,

00:20:52.460 is a part of that. And you're very familiar with that whole kind of cabal and that,

00:20:56.700 that club where you're either part of it or you're not. And so, uh, you know, obviously MSNBC celebrates

00:21:02.760 people like Joe Scarborough celebrates people like Bill Crystal and, uh, and others, uh, because they

00:21:08.800 feel like they're coming over to their side. They don't celebrate people who are independent thinkers

00:21:14.820 like myself, who happened to disagree with them, whether it be on foreign policy or whether it be on,

00:21:20.600 uh, you know, Hillary Clinton running for president and not being qualified to serve as commander. 1.00

00:21:26.560 Uh, so if you, again, this goes back to kind of that foundational point where if you're not on the

00:21:34.060 side of that establishment, the Washington swamp, the permanent Washington elite, uh, then you're

00:21:41.440 going to get the negative treatment. You're either going, they're not even going to cover you, or if

00:21:45.740 they do, it'll be in a very negative light. Uh, and that's, that's what I've seen kind of play out

00:21:49.840 over the last few days. Um, with, with that group, uh, there's been a lot of positive coverage from

00:21:55.680 people who, uh, respect that independence. And I appreciate that. That's right. You've got,

00:22:01.320 here's just an example of speaking of Bill Crystal, uh, regarding Tulsi Gabbard makes sense. If you're

00:22:05.680 pro Assad and pro Putin, you joined today's Republican party. He's so bitter. He left it.

00:22:10.280 And he's like, now anybody who joins it is a loser. Cause I left it. Um, and then you've got, 0.53

00:22:15.040 this is, uh, Max Burns on NS on NBC saying bye. Good riddance. Uh, she's been drifting relentlessly

00:22:24.160 rightward anyway, uh, going on about her, your anti-establishment isolationism, which was rejected

00:22:30.800 roundly by fellow Democrats. In other words, you didn't leave them. They left you. You can't,

00:22:35.180 you can't fire them. They quit. Um, and then you've got like MSNBC opinion columnist, uh,

00:22:40.820 Zeehan Alam saying this is, this is, um, about her specific brand of anti-war politics. It was

00:22:46.720 always a better fit for the nationalist right than for the left. And, you know, I don't think

00:22:51.420 they're going to miss you, but what's interesting about those, those quotes that you mentioned,

00:22:57.900 the common theme there that jumps out at me is two things. Number one is their attacks are always the

00:23:04.140 same and they have nothing to do with a substantive disagreement. And secondly, the common theme

00:23:10.880 there is they're saying they're criticizing me for being against war and that the democratic party

00:23:18.220 that used to be led by people who stood up for peace, uh, apparently the democratic party, even in

00:23:25.960 their words has now become the party of warmongers. It is now led by these elite war hawks who beat their

00:23:33.680 war drums and are ready to take us into one regime change war after another, which is exactly the main

00:23:39.740 point that I made in my announcement of leaving the democratic party. I'm a veteran. I continue to

00:23:45.260 serve in the U S army reserves. I know the cost of war and throughout my entire time in Congress and my

00:23:51.920 campaign for president, I made that issue a very central focal point serving on the armed services

00:23:57.960 committee and on the foreign affairs committee with that message and regime change wars. Yes,

00:24:02.840 we need to be prepared to defend our own security and our own freedom, but we should not be going and

00:24:08.560 starting wars around the world, toppling dictators, causing devastation in other countries and exacting

00:24:14.880 a very costly toll on the American people and our service men and women. So they, in their own words

00:24:21.320 have just admitted this so-called woke democratic party is the party of war. And I think the American

00:24:29.120 people are as sick and tired of that as I am. You know, I had this filmmaker on the other day

00:24:35.220 named Meg smaker. She did this film originally called Jihad rehab. And then she renamed it the

00:24:41.440 uncensored. She got canceled by the left after some in the Muslim community were like, we're sick and tired

00:24:48.380 of seeing Muslims depicted as terrorists. Meanwhile, it was about actual terrorists who were held at Gitmo,

00:24:54.340 who were released by Obama and Saudi Arabia, got a bunch from Saudi Arabia and from Yemen and decided

00:25:00.400 to put them through rehab. It's actually kind of fascinating. And we were talking about like,

00:25:04.040 how does painting the flowers and swimming in the pool and doing charades, I'm not kidding,

00:25:10.940 make you not want to kill anybody anymore. And she did this deep dive on like, these are,

00:25:17.760 you know, they're the enemy, but they're just guys like they're, they were like 15 year old guys who got

00:25:22.920 sucked into Al Qaeda by their older brothers by promises of three meals a day by, you know, 0.98

00:25:27.840 doing something that means something from a land where not a lot of good things were happening.

00:25:33.600 And she was talking about the enormous consequences of launching these wars. And we forget how so many

00:25:40.080 lives get ruined on both sides, and how America getting involved in Afghanistan for 20 years,

00:25:46.220 forget the initial strike, but for 20 years, created so much more membership in Al Qaeda and these

00:25:51.900 splinter groups than we ever would have seen. Had we done pinpoint strikes, had we gotten in,

00:25:56.820 gotten out, you know? So it's like, this is kind of the point you're trying to make. Like,

00:26:02.020 before we, before we go into nuclear armed conflict with Russia over its battle with Ukraine,

00:26:08.360 let's be really, really honest about what that's going to do.

00:26:13.400 You're absolutely correct, Megan. They wrongly, again, that the usual trope they trot out is,

00:26:19.680 you know, Tulsi Gabbard or anyone who speaks out against, or even questions as you're saying,

00:26:24.600 hey, here are the costs, here's the costs and consequences of a nuclear war with Russia.

00:26:29.860 Immediately they say, oh, well, she's an isolationist, or she's a pacifist, or all this other 0.99

00:26:34.080 crap. I have been, again, I wear the uniform, and I am ready to put my life on the line to secure 0.53

00:26:41.440 our country. If there is an enemy that is threatening that security and that freedom,

00:26:46.140 then our military is ready to take on that threat and destroy it. But what they are doing is pushing

00:26:53.140 us into shoving us to this nuclear brinksmanship, putting us, the American people, the people of

00:27:00.640 Ukraine, people of the world at risk of nuclear catastrophe and nuclear holocaust. When you put 0.96

00:27:07.140 them on, on kind of on, on the hot seat and question them about it, they just say, well,

00:27:12.480 well, you know, well, Putin, we've got to win. And I did this yesterday in a conversation with

00:27:18.020 someone, I reminded them of what Ronald Reagan said, that a nuclear war cannot be won and should 0.95

00:27:23.700 never be fought. And so rather than continuing to escalate, escalate, escalate, acting purely on

00:27:30.280 emotion, look at reality and look at where this road leads. If it continues, learn lessons from the

00:27:37.000 past from great leaders like President Reagan and President Kennedy, who told us very clearly,

00:27:42.640 they recognize the dangers and the risk and they led, they led to try to deescalate. That's what

00:27:49.540 President Biden as our commander in chief should be doing. And that is what he is absolutely failing

00:27:54.760 at. And worse yet, he is making the problem worse. I'm reminded of a quote Glenn Beck gave me one time

00:28:00.560 when I asked him because, you know, Glenn's got a lot of theories about a lot of things. And very

00:28:05.260 often, he's right. He's not always right. But very often, I've been following the guy for 15 years.

00:28:11.120 He's right about the stuff he's predicting. And it's kind of eerie. And I asked him about it one

00:28:15.560 time, like how? And he said, there's really no mystery to it. I just listen to what people are

00:28:20.420 saying. And I believe them. And that's it. It's a simple formula. And if you apply that right now to

00:28:27.800 what Vladimir Putin is saying, it does not end in a good place. And deescalation sounds pretty good.

00:28:35.500 It's the only way through this, you know, are all of our hearts break for the suffering and

00:28:40.980 destruction and death that we're seeing in Ukraine. The best way to help them is not by saying, well, 0.98

00:28:48.280 let's continue to escalate this war. Because like I said, this war continuing to escalate can only lead

00:28:55.300 to one place. And that is a nuclear war and a nuclear holocaust. The best way to help the people 0.58

00:29:02.200 of Ukraine, us, the American people, the people of the world, is for President Biden to exercise his

00:29:09.200 responsibility and his leadership to negotiate a peaceful end to this conflict. I think we just

00:29:17.400 heard comments from, I just read this morning, comments from Putin saying that he's open for talks

00:29:23.060 that would be mediated by some international body. I don't know what Zelensky's latest comment is,

00:29:30.500 but President Biden uniquely, as the leader of the United States, is in a position to bring these

00:29:35.760 parties to the table and work out a peaceful outcome to this. Because whether it's tomorrow,

00:29:41.880 a week, or a month, we don't know. We don't know, as you said, that tactical nuclear weapons are on the

00:29:48.940 table for Russia. Let's not wait. Let's not wait to find out if and when that might happen. We can't 0.95

00:29:56.620 afford to wait. The other thing is, you know, our greatest adversary is really China. You know, 0.95

00:30:03.340 China is much more powerful than Russia. It has much more money. It poses a much more great 0.87

00:30:07.100 technological threat to us. Its military is a lot stronger. And the more we get immersed in this

00:30:13.400 battle with Russia, via surrogates or otherwise, the more we're taking our eyes off of the other ball.

00:30:18.940 And it does, like, I think about, like, World War II. You know, we weren't friendly with the

00:30:26.240 Soviets. Things weren't, like, particularly rosy. But we understood that we had a bigger threat. We 0.94

00:30:31.300 had Hitler. And so we needed to get along with the Soviets, and we needed them to be a part of the 0.93

00:30:35.500 allies. And, you know, we recognized what was the bigger threat. And we were right. And the Soviets 0.98

00:30:42.280 wound up helping us defeat Hitler. Now, we're singularly focused on this dispute between Russia and

00:30:47.780 Ukraine. And I get it. You know, I get it. And I feel terrible for the Ukrainian people. But, like,

00:30:51.920 we as Americans have a big, big threat facing us down right now in this third party that's gone 0.99

00:30:57.280 totally ignored while we focus on this other conflict, which is only going up, up, up and

00:31:01.340 getting more and more intense. And we're getting more and more drawn in. And it's potentially getting

00:31:04.700 even more devastating. And I just wonder, like, where's the triangulation? Where's the diplomat who

00:31:10.540 says, like, we have to be smart about where we're going to place our energies and our hostilities?

00:31:16.600 Yeah. And I think that there's a few things I think we need to focus on there. And your point

00:31:21.800 about where is our diplomat? You know, we see the State Department that is supposed to be the

00:31:28.240 chief of diplomacy, essentially, for the country, right? Building those relationships around the world,

00:31:34.740 being our emissary around the world. And yet, under this administration, we are seeing

00:31:39.560 everything but diplomacy. Again, we saw back in March, you know, barely a month after Putin invaded

00:31:47.260 Ukraine, rather than the State Department and Tony Blinken taking the lead and saying, hey, let's work to

00:31:53.700 support these representatives of Russia and Ukraine who were at that time sitting down and working through

00:31:59.920 talks. Let's help encourage that so that we can bring about a swift end to this conflict. Instead,

00:32:06.160 everything that we were hearing at that time is that the United States was discouraging Zelensky from

00:32:12.800 actually participating in those, discouraging Ukraine from making a deal at that point saying,

00:32:18.520 hey, just hold it out. You know, we'll continue to support you. For whatever reason, they did not want

00:32:24.660 to see that end. Meanwhile, here at home, and this is the thing that I hear most from people, Megan,

00:32:30.360 everywhere I go, is people at home are saying, hey, what about us? You know, we've got rising inflation,

00:32:36.620 we've got still supply shortages, our dollar is worth less and less. As inflation continues to increase,

00:32:44.080 we've got so many challenges right here in our backyard that are not being addressed and are being

00:32:50.740 exacerbated by the decisions that this administration is making. And that's where the context of all of

00:32:57.460 these decisions, both domestic, in domestic policy, and in foreign policy, need to be made within that

00:33:03.580 context of what is in the best interest of the American people, our well-being, and our ability

00:33:09.420 to continue to move forward towards being able to live in a peaceful, prosperous, and free society.

00:33:16.360 And I think that's the context that our leaders need. That's the context that I look at, you know,

00:33:21.200 all these different issues in figuring out, okay, what's the best course of action forward. But we

00:33:26.860 don't, again, we don't see that. We don't see that coming from this administration, or from their

00:33:32.440 allies in Congress. And that's a dangerous thing, because it only gets worse the longer it continues.

00:33:37.940 I do not see a world in which Vladimir Putin signs surrender papers, and peacefully walks away

00:33:44.320 saying, forget it. Just forget I did it. Here's the territories back. Sorry. That's so. And even in

00:33:50.520 law school, they taught us that the best, the best deals, the best negotiated deals, and with both sides

00:33:55.640 being disappointed. And I'm not trying to create a moral equivalency between Putin and the Ukrainian

00:34:01.080 people, but that where we are where we are now. And so, you know, the thought of we're just going to

00:34:08.800 vanquish him and he's going to give up doesn't seem very realistic. Exactly. We have to recognize

00:34:14.460 that that reality that I agree with you in that. Also, it is not realistic that Ukraine is going to 0.81

00:34:21.680 win this war, they may continue to win certain battles. But when you look at how this picture

00:34:26.360 goes in the long term, it's not something that ends with one side or the other, getting everything

00:34:32.460 that they want. And history points to this. When there have been negotiated outcomes, treaties that

00:34:38.800 have been met during different conflicts and wars, as you pointed out, all parties usually end up walk

00:34:45.980 away disappointed. They all walk away having had to sacrifice and compromise in some manner,

00:34:51.700 but also getting some of the things back that they may have lost or meeting their objectives.

00:34:57.620 And when you look at so much of our foreign policy in the past, these decisions are often made in

00:35:04.880 such a, basically in a fantasy world of people in Washington saying, oh, well, this is the world

00:35:11.560 that we wish existed. So we're going to build our policy towards that. Afghanistan is a great example

00:35:17.720 that was not rooted in reality, did not have a clear objective. I think we need that kind of reality

00:35:24.500 here in seeing this situation as it is, rather than some idealistic fantasy that never will be.

00:35:33.720 Dark stuff, but we're going to have to deal with it one way or another. Sadly, this thing hasn't gone

00:35:38.240 away. It only seems to be going in the opposite direction. And you got the president of the United

00:35:41.900 States using words like Armageddon, Armageddon loosely at a Democratic fundraiser, and then just

00:35:47.360 going on his merry way while the rest of us are like, wait, what? All right, Tulsi Gabbard is staying

00:35:51.520 with us. We're going to do a quick break and much, much more on the opposite side of it.

00:36:00.040 So Tulsi, you had an interesting debate with Kamala Harris when you were running for president.

00:36:04.800 She was running for president. And one of the items that you disagreed on was whether people

00:36:10.880 should be prosecuted for smoking pot. And you got on her for the fact that when she was California AG, 1.00

00:36:17.480 she put a bunch of people in jail for smoking pot. And you must your jaw must have dropped when you

00:36:24.440 heard the new version of Kamala Harris. This week, she said in a couple different places. Here's

00:36:30.020 soundbite eight. We are also changing. Y'all might have heard that this week. The federal government's

00:36:36.160 approach to marijuana. Because the bottom line there is nobody should have to go to jail for smoking weed.

00:36:50.460 Someone should have told attorney general Harris that since she put a few thousand people in jail 1.00

00:36:59.440 for it, something Tulsi Gabbard raised on stage. I refer you to soundbite seven.

00:37:05.620 Senator Harris says she's proud of her record as a prosecutor and that she'll be a prosecutor president.

00:37:10.680 But I'm deeply concerned about this record. There are too many examples to cite, but she put over

00:37:16.160 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she

00:37:20.720 ever smoked marijuana. What happened? Where's that Kamala Harris? 1.00

00:37:27.260 I hope I hope lost and never to return. I just in that clip when she was announcing the Biden

00:37:34.300 administration's policy, I thought it's it's just funny how her whole kind of vernacular and 1.00

00:37:39.560 accent changes a little bit. But hey, it's so true. It's a positive step. It's a positive step.

00:37:47.240 It's something that the Biden administration, the Biden Harris administration should have done from

00:37:51.980 the get go. I hope that they listen to more things that I'm saying and talking about that they should

00:37:58.840 implement in this administration. If they if they leave those crappy ideas behind. Hey, look, I'm all for

00:38:05.700 it. I'll send them a list. Why doesn't somebody like I think she was on with Seth Meyers saying it

00:38:11.140 like why? Why don't they follow up with what about the three thousand people you put in jail for doing

00:38:15.640 that? It wasn't they weren't all smokers. Some were sellers, but she definitely put people who

00:38:19.660 smoke weed in jail. Where's the follow up? Like what changed your mind? Do you want to are you sorry

00:38:24.380 to those people? You did it under state law, so they will not be the benefits of a federal pardon.

00:38:29.260 By the way, according to The Wall Street Journal, you know how many people have benefited from Joe Biden's

00:38:32.920 federal pardon on smoking weed? Zero. Absolutely zero. So this is all PR event. But like, where's the

00:38:40.160 you know, there's no reporting from somebody to say, yo, just like two years ago, you were fine with

00:38:47.180 this. Yeah, it's consistent with how the mainstream media has handled Kamala Harris throughout certainly

00:38:54.820 her national aspirations and maybe throughout her whole career. I don't know, but they've handled

00:39:00.160 her with kid gloves. I was shocked in that moment on the debate stage that I was the first person ever

00:39:06.040 to challenge her on her record, given how every day on the campaign trail in her interview, she was

00:39:12.260 talking about she would be a prosecutor president, proud of her record as California's attorney general.

00:39:17.820 Yet no one, no reporter even ever really held her to that saying, OK, let's talk about your record.

00:39:23.900 Tell us exactly what you are proud of. Tell us how you explain the fact that not only did you throw

00:39:29.200 people for for minor marijuana violations in jail, but that you actually held people in jail past

00:39:37.080 their prison sentences so that she could use them for free labor to serve the needs of the state of 1.00

00:39:43.940 California, which is essentially slave labor. No one ever held her to account, which, again, 0.97

00:39:49.040 kind of points to where we started, which is the problems with this political system where you have

00:39:54.000 people in charge in the Democratic Party working with their friends in the mainstream media,

00:40:00.040 they pick and choose. They're like, OK, hey, here's somebody that we want to put forward,

00:40:03.940 handle her with kid gloves, make her look great. Don't ask her the tough questions. Certainly don't

00:40:08.880 do your job as journalists because we don't want the American people knowing the truth. However,

00:40:15.380 Tulsi Gabbard running for president, we can't control her. She's challenging us on foreign policy and 1.00

00:40:21.240 domestic policy and criminal justice reform. Let's try to ruin her reputation as quickly as possible. 1.00

00:40:27.500 And of course, former Secretary Hillary Clinton was at the lead at the tip of the spear of that effort.

00:40:34.020 Yeah, let's make her a Russian spy. Let's talk about what's happening right now in our schools, 0.98

00:40:39.840 because even though we don't have daily disputes anymore with these school board members getting

00:40:44.200 reamed for masks and vaccines, we still have aggressively leftist policies being shoved down the

00:40:51.620 throats of our kids in district after district. And this tape went somewhat viral this week of moms and

00:40:58.260 parents in Encinitas, California, tearing into their school board for having a, quote, family friendly

00:41:06.300 drag show that was they wanted to bring on campus sponsored by a gay bar and a gender affirming

00:41:14.160 clinic. Look, this clinic that does surgeries and does cross gender hormones is going to sponsor the

00:41:18.960 family friendly drag queen show. Well, these parents were not having it. Watch this clip. 0.97

00:41:25.780 What is it about a grown man costumed in a sparkly bra with augmented boobs, busting out a leather 1.00

00:41:33.860 miniskirt, barely covering his twerking ass with tuck tape on his front while spreading his fish 0.99

00:41:39.080 netted legs as he rides on the ground, grinding his groin next to a minor family friendly. 0.99

00:41:47.520 You owe us an answer. And you know, you don't get to hide by just taking something down off a peach

00:41:52.480 tree and calling it a day. You owe an explanation and an apology. You have failed our children.

00:41:59.180 You in a normal world would be criminalized for your behavior. We are living in Looney Tuneville.

00:42:06.080 There is a surgical center, a line of surgical associates that is a title sponsor for this

00:42:10.880 boot bash event. My question is this, what are you guys getting? Wow. How much is going in your

00:42:17.960 pockets? We'll be finding out. We'll be finding out. I'm just wondering, is it, do they supply the

00:42:22.820 venue and then you supply the children? Wow. Wow. The word for that, I mean, we said it, it's called a

00:42:28.740 pimp. And for you to send out this boot bash is disgusting, but you're promoting this. Would you 0.97

00:42:34.900 promote and encourage an anorexic girl to go get liposuction? Would you? Or how about a gastric 1.00

00:42:42.700 bypass surgery? Would you? Stop sexualizing our kids. You should be ashamed of yourself. 1.00

00:42:49.580 A little school district, board of adults, made the decision to feature an event to hyper-sexualize

00:42:56.320 young children. Do you want to know that the word that defines that? It's groomer.

00:43:02.080 All right. First of all, everyone, every woman in San Diego County is apparently beautiful.

00:43:06.420 They're all like, what happened? Second of all, just to clarify, the event was going to be off

00:43:14.700 campus, but it was, the school was promoting it on their school district's website. That's what was

00:43:19.880 the reference to peach jar, this boo bash, um, as this family friendly drag queen show. And the

00:43:26.180 supervisor of the school board comes out and accuses the opponents of this, of hate. This person's

00:43:33.340 got, um, she, they on their Twitter and, uh, comes out and says, this kind of bigotry has no place in

00:43:40.960 our community. Uh, trans kids. I see you. I love you. You are welcome. This isn't about loving trans 1.00

00:43:46.880 kids. This is about grooming. Like they said. And by the way, just as a fun fact, the woman in the 0.99

00:43:51.920 yellow was Carrie Prejean. I don't know if you remember that name, Telsey. She was big time in the

00:43:57.340 national news. Oh God. What was the year? 2009. She ran for Ms. USA in Trump's pageant. She, sorry,

00:44:06.860 I'm going on, but this is just a walk down memory lane. She made national headlines when she answered

00:44:11.720 the following question, the following way from Perez Hilton. Okay. Just bear with me. Sot 12.

00:44:17.280 Vermont recently became the fourth state to legalize same sex marriage. Do you think every state should

00:44:25.040 follow suit? Why or why not? Well, I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one or the

00:44:31.120 other. Um, we live in a land that you can choose same sex marriage or opposite marriage. And you know

00:44:38.180 what? In my country and in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man

00:44:44.700 and a woman. No offense to anybody out there, but that's how I was raised. And that's how I think that

00:44:49.920 it should be between a man and a woman. Thank you. That created this national storm around her. 1.00

00:44:55.580 Then they wound up saying, I don't know. She had taken pictures. She's gotten breasted. I don't know 1.00

00:45:00.660 what it was like as a whole weird controversy about her because she took that position, same position 0.95

00:45:04.120 Obama had at that time. And, um, she wound up, I guess being disqualified, but I remember it's like

00:45:09.540 a walk down memory lane with Carrie Prejean there in the yellow. Now she's, you know, still conservative 0.93

00:45:14.120 and still espousing her strong opinions out there in California and good for her.

00:45:18.800 Yeah. The guy is just, I literally, my stomach was turning, watching them, uh, talking great detail

00:45:24.460 about what their kids were being exposed to. Uh, it is so powerful and is so insane, uh, the reaction

00:45:33.080 that they got. And again, this points to literally how insane, how this so-called wokeness, this,

00:45:40.460 this fanatical kind of cult-like ideology that, that is taken over today's democratic party,

00:45:46.840 that the basic thing that you would think like, no matter how twisted society gets,

00:45:52.480 what's the one thing that remains sacred, that remains protected by everyone. It is our kids,

00:45:58.960 right? You would think that that would be the case, but we are in a place now where it's not.

00:46:03.480 They're actively going after sexualizing our kids, using taxpayer dollars to do so through the

00:46:09.900 public school system. And, and even worse yet, undermining parents' ability to, uh, raise their

00:46:18.500 kids with the values and principles that they choose, undermining that foundation, that fabric

00:46:23.940 of civilization and society, which is our families, because everything that they're saying is happening

00:46:29.640 in, in states across the country. Uh, and from the federal department of health and human services,

00:46:35.400 they're talking about this gender affirming care. Uh, they're saying if parents don't provide that

00:46:40.840 gender affirming care, then child protective services could get involved and take your kids 1.00

00:46:44.180 away from you. These are things that we can't allow to continue. We can't allow to stand. And I

00:46:48.880 encourage everyone to continue standing up and speaking out as these parents are.

00:46:53.180 Yeah. The Democrats in charge of the federal government, now the Biden administration now pushing

00:46:57.220 mandatory DEI programs for the federal government that they hope will be the blueprint for

00:47:01.720 corporations nationwide. It has a very nice name, but we know DEI programs tend to push very divisive

00:47:07.500 and racist messaging down right to the core to little children on up. Telsey Gabbard, thank you

00:47:13.160 for being your courageous self. And I look forward to watching you as an independent and as a podcaster.

00:47:19.060 Thanks. All the best. All right. Coming up next, Kelly's court, and there is a lot to go over. Stay with me.

00:47:25.700 It's time now for Kelly's court on the docket today, Harvey Weinstein, and his case is actually

00:47:34.060 getting very interesting. Um, his conviction in New York might get reversed, might get overturned.

00:47:39.140 Uh, the second amendment, you wait until your New York governor's doing to try to get around that

00:47:43.680 Supreme court ruling against her, Alex Jones, and the case of a convicted murderer

00:47:48.420 who Kim Kardashian really thinks is innocent. But we begin with whether Hunter Biden's history

00:47:57.340 of addiction is going to save him from possible federal criminal charges. Uh, on Kelly's court

00:48:04.300 today, we've got John Spilboer, who's a criminal defense attorney and founding attorney of John

00:48:08.960 Spilboer law founding partner. Also with us, maybe is trial lawyer and founding attorney of Barnes law,

00:48:15.980 Robert Barnes. We were trying to get Robert's like, he's in court trying to get him. I don't

00:48:20.940 know whether he's coming up. The joy of working with Robert, but he's great when he, when he pops

00:48:26.100 up. Uh, all right, John, so it's just us ladies to kick it off, which is fine. We can handle this. 0.75

00:48:31.320 Um, Hunter Biden. So can I just, all right, let's just start with what he's potentially charged with

00:48:36.740 a gun, potential gun charges, potential tax charges. And Jonathan Turley, very smart lawyer,

00:48:44.120 has been writing about this for a while, predicting they might go with the addiction defense,

00:48:50.160 the addiction defense. And before we get to whether it's going to work, it's not going to work.

00:48:54.140 How would him being an addict be a defense to him inappropriately getting a gun, inappropriately

00:49:03.580 brandishing ammunition? These are the potential charges and cheating on his taxes. How would that,

00:49:10.120 how would that even potentially be a defense? I don't see how it is possible. I think what it

00:49:16.980 does, what, you know, we saw Biden do this in his interview. He's trying to, uh, elicit some sympathy

00:49:22.980 for his son, which is, first of all, can we just back up for a minute? I mean, the fact that,

00:49:27.060 that, um, Hunter is possibly only facing charges related to lying on a gun application and tax evasion

00:49:34.140 is ridiculous. That's, you know, they may as well just charge him for jaywalking compared to what

00:49:38.200 could actually be chargeable. But to say that he is incapable of formulating the intent to lie,

00:49:47.180 which is both of these crimes involved, right? If you're going to lie on an application, you're,

00:49:50.840 you're lying. If you're cheating on your taxes, you're also lying. So the fact that he was, uh,

00:49:56.560 the crack made me do it is his defense is not legally going to fly in a court of public opinion.

00:50:03.640 Does it allow the people to say, Oh, wait a minute. Do these crimes involve an element of

00:50:08.860 intent or don't they? Because if it, if it does, then it is potentially relevant. Okay. They're not

00:50:13.580 right. If you had a specific intent crime, some, sometimes voluntary intoxication,

00:50:21.680 which would be the crack made me do it can be a defense. These are not those.

00:50:26.220 If you have to, if they have to prove you lied on your application to get the gun,

00:50:32.980 they don't look at what was in your head. Can't, couldn't you say I was so high on crack.

00:50:38.300 It wasn't a lie. I was out of my mind.

00:50:42.760 Which is sort of a catch 22, isn't it? Because you can't get a gun and lawfully get a gun. You know,

00:50:50.540 it's kind of the same. It's a little bit apples and oranges, but you know, sometimes when you have

00:50:54.860 a juror that wants to get on a high profile case and they are asked questions by the judge or the

00:51:00.860 other attorneys, like, do you have any, did you ever have, were you ever arrested? Or do you have

00:51:05.720 a bias about this, that, or the other thing? And they, Oh, I forgot. You know, it's sort of similar

00:51:11.580 to that, that he's saying, I want to get a gun. They asked me if I was on drugs. I was so on drugs

00:51:16.560 that I said, no, like it just doesn't fly.

00:51:19.640 Right. That's the very thing that you're saying is your defense is the thing that the application

00:51:24.340 for the gun is trying to get to and prevent someone like you from having the gun. Well,

00:51:29.160 I think Turley's right. They do seem to be laying the foundation for this because

00:51:32.740 the president's rhetoric around it has changed from my son did nothing wrong. He did nothing wrong.

00:51:38.360 We heard that on the presidential debate stage to he's an addict. I'm so proud of it. I mean,

00:51:43.560 it's so clear, like these white house handlers, they get to, you know, Kareem Jean-Pierre top of mind.

00:51:48.800 She was top of mind, top of mind. And I mentioned she was top of mind and they get to Joe Biden

00:51:52.600 and it's, I'm proud of my son. I love my son. I'm proud of my son. I would have loved to have

00:51:56.060 been the interviewer. I understand you. I understand that you're proud of your son. I understand that

00:52:01.420 you love your son. My question was, right, like you got to blow past that. That is not an answer.

00:52:06.580 Here's how it went when Tapper asked him about the fact that it looks like Hunter might get charged

00:52:11.340 on taxes and gun charges. Listen. Prosecutors think they could, they have enough to charge your

00:52:18.420 son Hunter for tax crimes and a false statement about a gun purchase. Personally and politically,

00:52:24.580 how do you react to that? Well, first of all, I'm proud of my son. This was a kid who got,

00:52:31.420 not a kid, he's a grown man. He got hooked on, like many families have had happen,

00:52:37.760 hooked on drugs. He's overcome that. He's established a new life.

00:52:42.980 Wait, stand by because there's a second soundbite. Let's play it. 17.

00:52:47.280 By the way, this thing about a gun, I didn't know anything about it, but it turns out that when he

00:52:52.100 made my application to purchase a gun, what happened was he stayed, I guess you get asked,

00:52:58.280 I don't guess, you get asked the question, are you on drugs? You use drugs? He said, no.

00:53:02.060 And he wrote about saying no in his book. So I have great confidence in my son. I love him.

00:53:09.980 And he's on a straight and narrow and he has been for a couple of years now. And I'm just so proud

00:53:14.980 of him. You get asked the question, are you on drugs? Do you use drugs? And he wrote about saying

00:53:22.040 no in his book. Now we went back and looked at his book and maybe we need to look more carefully,

00:53:30.140 but I trust my team. And they found only this in Hunter's book, Beautiful Things, on this time

00:53:37.920 period when he applied for the gun. It was fall of 2018. And it's going to become important because

00:53:42.860 this is what, if he gets charged, this is what they're talking about. Fall of 2018, he applied

00:53:46.420 for a gun, he got a permit and you don't give the guns to the drug addicts. That's one of the good

00:53:50.640 policies here in the United States. And he writes, I had returned to the East Coast that fall of 2018

00:53:58.180 after my most recent relapse in California with the hope of getting clean through a new therapy

00:54:05.080 and reconciling with Hallie. That was his former sister-in-law. Neither happened. Okay. So he's

00:54:10.420 saying he had the hope of getting clean. So he wasn't clean. He was using, and he did not get

00:54:14.280 clean. Then he goes on to say, just like in California, like practically anywhere else I'd

00:54:18.300 landed since this long, bad dream began, each new day looked exactly like the one before it.

00:54:22.960 Nothing occurred on a traditional wake up, go to sleep continuum. If I knew my crack connection,

00:54:28.800 I would start making arrangements to buy from him as soon as I neared the end of my stash,

00:54:32.980 he wrote. So he's admitting that he was on drugs in October of 2018. At the time he applied for

00:54:39.700 the gun, I did not see the admission that he lied as the president claims he offered. So that's kind

00:54:48.020 of interesting. Maybe he admitted it to dad that he lied. So maybe President Joe Biden could be a

00:54:52.400 witness in this case. But I don't, I don't understand how an addiction defense is going

00:54:58.840 to save him, even if so. And just as an aside, Jonna, the landing on that question was not how

00:55:04.700 do you react to that personally and professionally? It was, do you pledge not, do you pledge not to

00:55:09.740 interfere? Should he be indicted if he broke the law? You know, like, don't say personally how to

00:55:15.900 react to that because you're going to get, I love my son, I'm proud of my son, I love my son. Who gives a

00:55:20.600 shit how he reacts to it personally? Are you going to stay out of it? That's the question. 0.99

00:55:25.700 Right. And you would hope that a parent loves their son. I don't know. You know, the whole thing

00:55:30.360 really stinks because I don't, we don't really care that Hunter Biden lied on a gun application.

00:55:38.560 What we care about is he should not have a gun. And you know, the tax evasion issue,

00:55:42.820 that could be a very slippery slope for Joe Biden, if you ask me. But using this addiction,

00:55:49.780 I think, I think the, the handlers and Joe Biden want the American people to be so stupid that we're 1.00

00:55:57.020 going to buy this whole concocted prosecution, if it even happens. I mean, talk about the buildup to 0.99

00:56:04.140 this. Like, are you going to charge him or not? Like, how long are we going to go through with this?

00:56:08.480 And two, the addiction defense is such a red herring. And that's a phrase I really have not

00:56:14.100 used since law school, but it's kind of perfect here. And think about it this way too. And again,

00:56:19.260 I don't mean to mess up these analogies, but people who are addicted, right, often get behind the wheel

00:56:26.360 of a car. They can cause an accident. They can kill somebody. They can do horrible things because

00:56:31.260 they're addicted. That does not prevent them from being prosecuted for that very thing. He's really

00:56:38.540 trying to pull in here, um, the sympathy card more so than a legal defense. And Joe Biden is going along

00:56:47.880 with that. The answers to that ridiculous interview was going along with that and interfering with that.

00:56:53.320 Joe Biden should be saying, don't talk to me about it. If you really want to stay out of it,

00:56:57.880 don't talk to me about it. That's, that's right. That's exactly right. But I cannot help but think

00:57:02.600 of the probably millions of Americans, certainly it'll be in the thousands, hundreds of thousands

00:57:07.860 who are addicted to drugs or alcohol, who at their lowest moment broke a law, you know, maybe,

00:57:15.160 maybe they did drive drunk. Maybe they stole something. Maybe they, I don't know, did a false

00:57:20.040 check, whatever addicts do and had to pay the price and have criminal records.

00:57:25.260 But they weren't, they didn't have the president stepping in. Oh, I love them. They were an addict,

00:57:31.380 an addict, and therefore they get a pass. There is no way, no way that Hunter Biden gets a pass for

00:57:37.380 all this stuff just because he happened to be an addict at the time, unless every single American

00:57:41.400 who got pinched for crimes while on drugs, crimes while addicted to alcohol also get a pass. You know,

00:57:48.640 it's just, it isn't fair. He can't, he can't hang his hat on that. And you're right that I like Jake

00:57:55.040 Tapper, but there was an opportunity missed in not asking about the corruption that Hunter and Joe

00:58:02.380 to a lesser extent, but to an extent have been accused of while Joe Biden was vice president

00:58:08.120 immediately thereafter through Hunter's overseas connections.

00:58:13.340 Exactly. And I don't see how the whole tax evasion line of prosecution is going to ignore

00:58:21.100 what the rest of us already know that there was, you know, the, what did he call him? The,

00:58:25.780 the big man. How is that not going to get into this pot? I don't understand how that's going to

00:58:32.620 escape it. I mean, nobody wants to touch that. No, it's not, it's not going to happen. It's not

00:58:38.220 going to happen. No, it's not going to happen because they won't apply. They won't appoint a

00:58:41.660 special prosecutor. And so there's not an independent, truly independent person looking

00:58:45.420 into any of this. And even now that there, it looks like the FBI has got its case and they know

00:58:50.000 what he did and what he didn't do. Um, it's still in the hands of the Delaware U S attorney who

00:58:54.860 hasn't made any decisions on it. So we really could be at a place where Donald Trump gets indicted for

00:59:00.640 his documents at Mar-a-Lago and Hunter Biden gets a complete pass. Um, and the American people are

00:59:06.480 going to understand, I mean, truly how imbalanced these scales of justice are. To put it mildly.

00:59:13.620 Yeah. To put it mildly. It's sick and it's scary. It really honestly is scary. I think,

00:59:19.080 I think prosecutors take a shorter time to indict or bring charges, um, against people for,

00:59:25.900 you know, much larger crime. I'm not saying that these crimes aren't large, but compared to what

00:59:31.660 they could be charging, I really don't know what's taking so long. I'd like to ask them that. What

00:59:36.420 is so long? That's a very good question. You've got Rico cases, which are like these federal fraud

00:59:41.260 cases where they use to go that statute to go after the mob and you got to have three acts and you got

00:59:44.980 to have all these crimes. Those are brought in like a week. The Hunter Biden investigation has been going

00:59:49.480 on since 2018. I think it's 18 or 19. Um, and, and the FBI has been on him all this time. They

00:59:55.300 opened up a grand jury back then. Where, where, where is the decision? Okay, let's move on. Uh,

01:00:01.180 because I want to talk about Harvey Weinstein. I find this case fascinating. I didn't think I would.

01:00:07.140 So Harvey gets tried in New York and our pal Arthur Idala represented him. And I had all sorts of fun

01:00:13.280 sending him texts about that. Harvey's not a good man. Harvey's not a good man. Uh, but Arthur did

01:00:20.140 what he should do, which is as a criminal defense attorney, give him the best defense possible.

01:00:23.620 Didn't work out in that case. And it wasn't particularly surprising. It didn't work out

01:00:28.040 in that case because they did something extraordinary. They let in Harvey's quote,

01:00:32.760 prior bad acts. And we all learned in law school, you can't get in prior bad acts against a defendant.

01:00:37.740 You're charged with raping two women. That's, that's not great. You're going to have to deal with

01:00:42.320 them, their testimony, the evidence, but I don't, as a prosecutor get to put on three other women 1.00

01:00:47.020 against whom crimes were never, you know, based on whom crimes were never accused, raised and,

01:00:54.120 and have them get up there and say, me too. That's not okay. That would, that's prejudicial.

01:00:58.960 Um, but there is an exception to that rule and the court founded it applied and they let, I think

01:01:04.440 three, three or five other women take the stand in the Harvey case in New York to say, me too,

01:01:10.620 me too, me too. And now Arthur is arguing on appeal. That was totally wrong. And Jonna,

01:01:18.220 you tell me because the appellate court said, no, it was fine, but it's going up to the New York

01:01:21.940 state court of appeals. And in New York state, that's what we call our Supreme court, our highest

01:01:25.360 court in the land. I think he might win. I think Arthur might win on appeal.

01:01:31.320 Not only might he win, I think he should win. I mean, can't you just take a page out of the

01:01:35.620 bill Cosby playbook? Wasn't that exact argument made, um, in his appeal, which ultimately got him

01:01:42.280 released. And it does make sense because you are not supposed to bring in this kind of propensity

01:01:46.700 evidence for this very reason. And the, the tiny exceptions, you have to prove a common scheme or

01:01:52.580 plan, et cetera. And to it, that's a fine pattern, pattern, pattern, pattern, maybe the, um, appellate

01:02:00.360 division, which is the first court appellate court in New York, you know, maybe they didn't get that

01:02:05.940 or maybe they didn't want to get it. So, you know, kick it up and see what the highest court in the

01:02:11.660 state of New York does. But Arthur is on great legal ground with those arguments as much as, you know,

01:02:18.320 a lot of us don't want to like or root for Harvey Weinstein. I completely get it, but purely from a

01:02:25.600 legal standpoint, Arthur's on, on good ground. The judge on the highest court in New York who allowed

01:02:33.260 this appeal is, I think one of the most conservative justices they have and very pro prosecution. So for

01:02:40.420 that judge to say, Mr. Weinstein deserves, uh, uh, for us to look at this is a good sign for Arthur's

01:02:47.180 side. Um, so that's why the LA trial becomes much more important because if they reverse this

01:02:55.600 conviction in New York, I mean, now you've got the potential of Harvey Weinstein walking free,

01:03:01.020 wheeling free because he's supposedly in a wheelchair now. I don't, I got my doubts. Um,

01:03:05.800 so he's out in LA and now there's another whole host of women accusing him. All right, let me get

01:03:12.300 my facts. Um, by the way, October 5th, 2017 was the date of the New York times Weinstein article,

01:03:19.140 you know, breaking this story to begin with. Um, that's crazy. It's like almost five years ago,

01:03:25.860 exactly as he now starts his second trial in LA. Um, the accusations against him span four decades.

01:03:32.380 Uh, he's been accused net net of over 90 women of sexual misconduct. I mean, we all know he's

01:03:37.480 disgusting. Uh, the question is whether, whether he was criminal. Um, he, okay. The jury selection 0.97

01:03:44.620 began Monday. Opening statements will take place. We think later this month, maybe October 24th.

01:03:49.020 They think the trial will last eight weeks. Camera's not allowed. He's facing a potential

01:03:52.680 life sentence. Arrived at the hearings in a wheelchair while in a Brown prison jumpsuit. 0.61

01:03:56.640 Just when you think it can't get any uglier Brown prison jumpsuit wants to be in a Brown. What 1.00

01:04:00.300 happened to the days of the black and white? That was kind of nice. The stripes. Um, yeah. And if

01:04:04.800 they escape, they're so identifiable. Why would we give him a nice little Brown outfit?

01:04:09.520 Yeah.

01:04:09.880 Okay. He's facing there the most expansive set of accusations. Um, 11 charges for forcible rape for

01:04:21.960 forcible oral copulation, one sexual penetration by foreign object to sexual battery by restraint,

01:04:28.420 five accusers, Jane does one through five. The one named Lauren young has outed herself and is 1.00

01:04:34.580 comfortable being identified. She's a model and an actress testified at the New York trial in 2020 as

01:04:38.820 one of the others, the prior bad acts to show a quote pattern of abuse. She says Weinstein trapped

01:04:44.460 her in a hotel bathroom in 2013, masturbated while gripping and pinching her breast before she fled. 0.89

01:04:49.980 Um, says in 2013, she was summoned to meet him at a bar in the lobby, the montage Beverly Hills 0.54

01:04:54.860 luxury hotel. She was 22 says suddenly he prepared. He said he had to prepare for an event with Quentin

01:05:00.380 Tarantino and she needed to follow him to a suite at the hotel. She said he unzipped her dress,

01:05:05.860 pulling it down. When she tried to leave, he said, no, no, we are just going to have a talk here.

01:05:10.740 How am I going to know if you can act? I said, no, no, no. The whole time she said I was not

01:05:15.020 interested. And then he started masturbating, gripping and pinching her breast, squinting at 0.99

01:05:20.000 her, which is just sort of a gross detail. You can picture it as she was pushed up against the sink. 1.00

01:05:25.860 At some point she said he tries, he tried to touch her genitals. He ejaculated into a towel, 0.99

01:05:30.440 then exited the bathroom. I stayed standing in shock. Now, not for nothing. I don't know Ms. Young, 0.89

01:05:37.760 but I have interviewed plenty of Harvey accusers, including my friend, Lauren Savant,

01:05:42.900 who worked with me at Fox, who was one of the first, she was the first to go on television,

01:05:47.080 publicly accuse him with me. And her testimonial was shocking. And to some extent mirrored the one

01:05:54.840 I just read to you, we pulled a clip, listen to her. That's when he blocked the entrance or exit

01:06:02.960 for me and said, well, then just stand there and be quiet. And that's when I realized, oh,

01:06:12.000 did you know what was about to happen? No idea. No idea. Completely shocked. And yet what is going to

01:06:19.520 happen? Like stand up and stand there and be quiet. I had no idea what was going to happen. And it,

01:06:25.160 it happened very quickly. And he immediately, um, exposed himself and, you know, began pleasuring

01:06:33.780 himself. And I just stood there dumbfounded. What are you thinking in this moment?

01:06:40.620 I was so shocked. I could not believe what I was witnessing, could not believe what I was witnessing.

01:06:47.280 She told me that this is at a restaurant. This is at ship Cipriani in New York. He offered to give

01:06:53.520 her a tour. He brought her a tour downstairs and got her in a hallway in a restaurant that wasn't

01:07:00.340 fully open, as I recall, but it wasn't like a crowded hallway, but got her up against the wall. 0.87

01:07:05.240 She didn't want to fool around with him. And then he basically said, just stand there, whipped it out,

01:07:09.640 pleasured himself into a potted plant. Jonna, that was part of Lauren's story. And that walked away.

01:07:15.520 And I remember she was saying like, I didn't know what he was going to do. Like I was, it was just

01:07:19.360 like, what's he going to do? And we, I talked to and listened to all these psychiatrists and

01:07:25.800 psychologists trying to analyze his behavior at the time. And what they said was he gets off

01:07:31.760 on the dirtiness of it. Like something must've happened to him. This isn't scientific, so just

01:07:37.820 go with it. But something must've happened to him with it. Like his mother, when he was little or

01:07:42.140 something happened where like the dirtiness of it, the naughtiness of it, the forbidden nature

01:07:47.420 of it was, was the turn on. Like he needs it to be gross and forbidden and deeply wrong

01:07:55.540 in order to get off. So he doesn't care that he's jerking off into a potted plant in front 0.99

01:08:01.860 of a television anchor. He, that's his thing. So I have to say Ms. Young's testimonial rings 0.99

01:08:08.760 very true to me. She might have DNA evidence as well, Jonna.

01:08:16.380 Well, that would be a nail in the coffin. Maybe because I'm looking at the LA trial as almost

01:08:23.440 deja vu all over again, because if you remember from the New York trial, the bulk of his defense

01:08:28.740 was basically not that these people are lying per se, or I don't know who they are. I've never

01:08:33.300 had any contact. He's basically saying this was all consensual. All the intimate details,

01:08:38.540 all the things that we did was all consensual. Sorry about that. You know, but you can't convict

01:08:43.340 me if it was consensual. And there was some, as much as I hate to admit it, there was some

01:08:47.780 evidence in his, in his favor. There were some emails that one of, one of the accusers or the

01:08:53.020 victims said, you know, I want you to meet my mother. And this was after that they, you know,

01:08:57.720 he raped her stuff like that, that the jurors had to wrap their mind around just, you know, 0.59

01:09:02.940 pick it up and move it 3000 miles. And we're going, I think we're going to have the same exact 0.94

01:09:08.520 blueprint for the LA trial. And the reason why we now know why they're even bothering with the LA trial

01:09:15.640 and not dismissing the charges or not offering some sort of plea is because there is a chance

01:09:19.860 that Harvey Weinstein wins an appeal in New York. It might take a while. It won't be tomorrow,

01:09:24.860 bro. But if he does that, then he's got to go for bro. But he, you know, so he can't,

01:09:29.960 he can't just sign up and plead in California for another 10 or 20 years to run whenever consecutive

01:09:35.700 to this, this case, because he might get out, he might get out in New York and he doesn't want to

01:09:40.340 be locked up in California when that ruling comes down. If it comes down. That is, it's unbelievable

01:09:46.160 to think there is a possibility. This guy could be free walking around like in the not too distant

01:09:51.960 future. Um, in this case, the DNA, the alleged DNA is that, um, when this woman testified in the New

01:09:59.600 York case, she, she didn't have the dress that she was wearing. Um, she said two days ago, I don't

01:10:06.580 know. Um, recently, I guess I should say, cause I don't know what the date of this, she found the

01:10:10.660 dress and that, um, she's given it to the prosecutors in LA and it's going to be tested

01:10:15.820 for his DNA. But again, that doesn't answer the story of consent. The question of whether

01:10:20.780 she was there consensually, she of course says, no, he's going to argue yes. And this is what we,

01:10:25.760 what we know so far. Okay. According to a variety article dated December, 2021, um, he's going to say

01:10:32.200 that, uh, some of these accusers gave inconsistent statements to the cops that another one faked an

01:10:38.280 orgasm, raising the question about whether he knew she was not consenting that another one was

01:10:42.980 entering into a transactional arrangement following the alleged assault in which she would get access 0.99

01:10:48.580 to movie premieres in exchange for allowing him to masturbate during massages. Um, and that one of 0.98

01:10:54.920 the accusers failed to identify certain physical anomalies. That's another disgusting thing. In

01:10:59.220 addition to his weird squinting and public exposure, he's apparently got a deformed penis, 0.99

01:11:05.160 forgive me audience, but he does some scarring or something on it. And a lot of these women are able 1.00

01:11:11.760 to say that they know that. And the juror, the jury in New York was shown pictures of it.

01:11:17.760 These poor jurors and the same will happen in LA. Um, then there's another similar to what we saw in

01:11:24.140 Amber Heard and Johnny Depp. Um, one of the accusers posted a photo of herself online with Al Pacino

01:11:31.040 with a caption, beautiful evening hours after the alleged incident with Harvey. And the, his lawyers

01:11:36.020 are going to say, that's not a victim, right? So it does get a lot. When you're up here,

01:11:40.020 John, you're like, okay, he's a scumbag and he's a criminal and he should go to jail. 1.00

01:11:43.880 And then you drill down just a little bit lower and you're like, still a scumbag. 1.00

01:11:50.500 Proving no consent. And then he knew they weren't consenting. It does. I'm not saying it's not true. 0.99

01:11:56.460 I'm saying it gets tougher to prove.

01:11:58.080 Exactly. And that's going to be, uh, the dilemma for this jury. Although, you know, the reality is

01:12:06.340 the California jury is probably well aware of the New York case. There isn't going to be a single

01:12:11.100 person on the jury who doesn't know who Harvey Weinstein is, what he was accused of, what the

01:12:14.900 Me Too movement, nobody's, they're all going to know that. And on this day and age, even though

01:12:20.440 jurors say, oh, we can be fair and impartial. It, uh, it's, it's hard when you have a kind of

01:12:26.380 backstory that you're not going to get in front of you as you're sitting there participating in the,

01:12:31.540 in the justice process. But that said, you know, can I go back to something that you said? Cause I

01:12:36.040 think I find it very intriguing that you had conversations with shrinks who said the reason 1.00

01:12:41.380 why he got off doing things the way he did is because, uh, he got off on it. And I think maybe he

01:12:47.780 got off on the dirtiness of it because he knows deep down inside that he is not deserving of a

01:12:56.780 real relationship with, with these women because they wouldn't be with him, but for his fame and

01:13:03.520 the opportunity that he perhaps dangled over anyone's head who was in the same room with him,

01:13:09.140 that he knew that he had nothing to offer, but maybe the possibility of getting in a movie and that

01:13:17.440 he, and that's what he used. And that that's what made him ultra disgusting. And I can also tell 0.93

01:13:22.920 you, speaking from experience, it's hard. If you're a woman confronted by a man who, you know,

01:13:28.780 and maybe the man has some sort of power and he does something that you're not expecting, like

01:13:32.540 who wants to have a meeting, a conversation in a public bathroom with some dude, like if you're

01:13:37.660 going to have a conversation with me, I'm not going to the bed. Like that's not what he was there for.

01:13:41.580 And it's hard. It's, I'm not saying you turn to a deer in the headlights, but you, you, you mentally

01:13:46.180 have to decide how am I going to react in the few seconds I have to react. And I think first and

01:13:52.740 foremost, you're like, first, I want to stay alive. Second, I don't want to be raped. Third, I don't 0.96

01:13:59.500 want to be misinterpreting what's happening here and look like a fool. And I think that's a big one 0.92

01:14:04.660 and a mistake that a lot, a lot of women make when they might, I'm not saying acquiesce,

01:14:09.640 I'm saying not know how to react, not know how to get away. Right. You're just, you're just

01:14:15.200 getting through it. That's exactly right. These are all great points because you know, a lot of

01:14:19.540 people, there's a knee jerk, like, cause the me too movement overreach so much. There's a knee

01:14:23.540 jerk of like, she didn't complain. She posted the picture saying beautiful evening. You got to

01:14:28.160 understand who Harvey Weinstein was. These four women who are, or four of the five women who are

01:14:34.720 accusing him in LA, four of these alleged rapes and assaults and so on occurred during Oscars week,

01:14:43.120 2013, when Weinstein released Silver Linings Playbook and Django Unchained and would win Academy

01:14:49.640 Awards. And may I remind the audience, 2013 was one year after Meryl Streep stood up at the Academy

01:15:00.420 Awards, which presumably all these young actresses and aspiring actresses heard and said the following.

01:15:08.220 So I just want to thank

01:15:10.580 my agent, Kevin Uvain and God, Harvey Weinstein.

01:15:16.240 One year after that, four of these alleged rapes and rapes and said, it's complicated for these

01:15:29.720 women that they, listen, I can relate to this just from Fox. You, you cross the King. Your career is 0.56

01:15:36.480 effing over, you know? And it's like, he was the King. He was God. And these women knew that they

01:15:43.660 didn't want to, to sacrifice their entire career in the moment. It's not, I mean, it's not to say

01:15:48.600 you, you know, you, you're, you go along with it, but you don't know what to do. I'm sure they did

01:15:53.720 freeze. I'm more than one of these women likely froze. 0.88

01:15:57.960 Yeah, exactly. And, and who can blame them, especially if you're not expecting it. Look,

01:16:02.780 they might've enjoyed having a conversation with this guy because of the power, because of the

01:16:07.640 position he could have put their careers in and they might look, that's just, that's

01:16:12.620 networking for lack of a better word, but that's where it should have stopped.

01:16:16.580 That's where it should have stopped. You don't need to, you know, uh, masturbate into a plant. 0.99

01:16:20.400 You don't need to corner women in bathrooms. You don't need to summon them, summon them to your 1.00

01:16:24.500 hotel room so they can take a look at your misshapen penis. It stops and it didn't stop for 1.00

01:16:30.140 him. And, but, and therein lies, uh, I was going to say therein lies the rub, and I'm going to take

01:16:34.480 that back because I don't mean unintended. Uh, but when you now look at the evidence, that's evidence

01:16:40.840 that's going to be presented in this California case, it's a struggle to determine how many of,

01:16:46.880 of these women do you bring in to tell this same story without violating the rights of the 1.00

01:16:54.480 accused and they're doing prior bad acts in California too. They're also letting women in

01:16:59.960 to do prior bad acts in California too. So if it's a mistake in New York, it could be a mistake in

01:17:04.440 California too. Why are, why not just rely on the evidence of the five accusers you have?

01:17:08.840 Like why take the risk? You know, that is a really good question. And I don't know if it's

01:17:15.340 for the pomp and circumstance, but look, and I, I hate to bring them up again, but this was the

01:17:19.500 exact argument that got Bill Cosby released. So, uh, you know, prosecutors should learn from this,

01:17:27.300 you know, put up enough. Don't try to overkill, right? Because it could come back to bite you

01:17:32.220 on appeal. Um, I have to tell you a story. So I knew Harvey Weinstein a little bit, um, just from

01:17:41.060 meeting him at events and so on. And he met me and he, and he met my husband, Doug. And, um, at one

01:17:47.160 point he actually offered Doug a job to go write screenplays for his companies. And I was like,

01:17:54.540 oh, Doug, that, you know, cause my husband's a writer. And, um, I'm like, Doug, that, that'd be so

01:17:58.980 cool. Right. This is before, you know, I, I certainly didn't know Harvey Weinstein did any

01:18:02.300 of this stuff. Um, and Doug said to me again, before this, any of this was even in the air,

01:18:08.160 he goes, no way, Meg, he's a bad guy. What do you mean? It seems like, it seems okay. I'm so stupid

01:18:14.760 on this stuff. It seems nice. I think he sees your genius. He's like, no way that's not happening. 1.00

01:18:20.500 He's not a good guy. Doug always knows. He always knows. And thank God he did not go and work for him.

01:18:27.600 Not that he was going to sexually assault Doug, but just, you know, God only knows, you know,

01:18:31.000 maybe he was using Doug to try to, you know, make sure my coverage of him would be favorable.

01:18:37.360 You know what I mean? Like this guy is not a good man. And I'm very happy, even though I can't always

01:18:42.640 spot the bad guys, I married someone who can't. She was, she was at the wedding. All right. Standby,

01:18:50.780 because we have so much more to discuss, uh, including Kim Kardashian's latest pet projects.

01:18:54.600 Yet another person, she wants us to believe her legal acumen tells us does not, uh, belong in

01:18:58.860 jail. Uh, don't go away. Kelly's court continues after this. All right, let's bank through these

01:19:07.440 cases because we have a few to get through. Number one, um, New York state basically made it impossible

01:19:12.480 to get a concealed carry license in this state in a case that went all the way up to the U S Supreme

01:19:17.240 court. And the court ruled six to three to strike down the New York law saying you've taken what's

01:19:23.320 a constitutional right and tried to make it into a privilege that some bureaucrat gets to decide

01:19:27.520 whether it's granted or not. And New York promptly passed a new law that as far as I can see,

01:19:34.300 maybe even more restrictive than the law that was just struck down saying, once again, you have to show

01:19:41.240 proper cause that was the language in the old law to get a permit saying you can't have a gun in

01:19:47.880 virtually any sensitive location, which includes subway stations, parks, schools, you name it every

01:19:53.900 place, um, that you have to disclose three years worth of your social media accounts, as well as the

01:20:01.660 identities of all relatives, including spouses in your permit, uh, application. And you have to

01:20:08.260 demonstrate your good moral character. And so like in interviews with local, I mean, this is absurd.

01:20:14.900 So a federal judge said, no, I'm, I'm blocking at least huge portions of this, um, consistent with

01:20:23.600 the Supreme court opinion. And now New York state has appealed to this very liberal second circuit court

01:20:29.820 of appeals. And one judge has said, I will grant you a, like a temporary hold on that lower courts

01:20:35.680 ruling and let you continue enforcing all these restrictive policies on gun applicants, gun, gun

01:20:41.680 permit applicants. What until you can have the full appeal heard. So where's this likely to go?

01:20:48.360 This is horrible. I think what's likely to happen is eventually when this is heard, even though it's a

01:20:54.420 liberal circuit, it's going to go back to center. Look, I have a real problem when any state, but

01:21:00.920 especially in New York loves to do it. Don't crap on the Supreme court of the United States, 0.91

01:21:06.920 just don't do it. And when the Supreme court made that ruling, it said, look, the second amendment 0.69

01:21:11.380 is a second amendment. You don't need to force people to have a reason to enjoy the second amendment.

01:21:16.300 You don't need to force them to do that. When they came back with basically punching SCOTUS in its

01:21:21.380 face, figuratively speaking, it said, Oh yeah, well, we're going to do this, this, and this it's wrong.

01:21:25.620 And it should not stand. But right now, New Yorkers should be very confused about where and when and

01:21:31.240 how licensed gun owners like me, Megan, lawful law abiding licensed gun owners should be very confused

01:21:37.460 about where we can carry. Number one, number two, number two. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

01:21:44.140 One thing that I can say that is encouraging is some of the sheriff's offices in the state of New York

01:21:53.260 have said, you know what? I don't care. We're not going to, and this is one way to get around

01:21:57.860 what the craziness of New York governor doing. We're not going to enforce these highly restrictive

01:22:04.920 new laws. And I have, if I can tell you a quick story, cause it's a little bit funny.

01:22:09.840 It back in 2013, when the other ridiculous governor Cuomo enacted the safe act there, I was the first

01:22:16.480 attorney, maybe the only attorney, um, to get a case where somebody was arrested under the state back.

01:22:22.260 His name was Gregory Dean driving in a car. He was a licensed lawful gun owner, got pulled over for,

01:22:27.120 I don't know, speeding, whatever. They found that he had his gun in the car, which was lawful,

01:22:31.660 but the safe act restricted the number of rounds you could have in your magazine. So you were supposed

01:22:36.900 to have no more than seven in your 10 round magazine. He was driving around with nine. He got arrested.

01:22:43.300 I was, again, no pun intended, armed for bear. I could not wait to defend him. I was going to pontificate.

01:22:48.640 I was going to make all these wonderful arguments. And when I got to court, the DA declined to

01:22:54.900 prosecute. He said, well, case dismissed. And I said, come on, I want to pontificate. I want to

01:23:00.480 get arguments to make. And he said, nope, sorry, case dismissed. And he dropped it. So that was my

01:23:07.700 big, uh, that was my moment. And the DA took it away from me. And I think similar things will happen

01:23:13.380 here while we are waiting for the appellate for the court of appeal. It's clearly this law is not

01:23:20.260 consistent with the Supreme court's ruling. And I, I agree with you. If it's not struck down by the

01:23:24.100 second circuit, which I think even this left wing court might strike it down, it's going to get

01:23:28.440 struck down by the Supreme court. Um, okay. So that's the guns case. Now, Kim Kardashian, uh,

01:23:33.760 who's been a lawyer, I don't know, for like one minute and has never practiced law and failed the

01:23:39.340 bar three times has decided to launch a, it's basically an innocence project podcast where

01:23:46.280 she's using her considerable legal skills to try to tell us why certain, certain people didn't

01:23:51.640 commit the crimes. And she's outright said this guy, Kevin Keith is innocent in her esteemed legal

01:23:56.600 opinion and is making the case for this guy to get out of jail. Now he was convicted in May of 1994

01:24:02.320 in Ohio on three counts of aggravated, aggravated murder, three counts of attempted aggravated murder.

01:24:07.760 They say he went into this house and he unleashed hell on this family, uh, shooting several people.

01:24:14.940 And, uh, again, as I said, killing three people, including a four-year-old girl, her 24 year old

01:24:20.220 mother, and the 39 year old woman who was the aunt, and then shooting three others, including a six

01:24:26.600 year old, a four year old, and the boyfriend of one of the people who died. Um, those who survived

01:24:33.540 have uniformly said this was the guy who did it. They, they've said it was this man who's been

01:24:38.260 convicted. Um, Kevin Keith, but there are some holes in some of the testimonials like, well,

01:24:43.840 the main guy said when he was first asked by like EMTs who did it, he said, I don't know.

01:24:48.520 But then the next morning he's like, it was Kevin Keith. And they say, well, the cops got to him

01:24:52.740 and gave him that name. But he also managed to pick him out of a photo lineup of six men. He said that

01:24:57.860 was him. And it was Kevin Keith. And they're trying to suggest that there was another guy who

01:25:02.080 did it. Um, who was, who was also mad. This, they, they claim the motivation in this case was,

01:25:08.320 um, this guy had been ratted out. This guy had been ratted out by the brother of the main woman 0.51

01:25:13.780 who was shot, that the brother of the main woman who was shot was a police informant. And this guy

01:25:18.540 paid the price for it. This Kevin Keith and Kevin Keith raised at trial. The fact that there was

01:25:23.560 another man who'd been ratted out by this brother and he could have done it. He raised it at trial.

01:25:29.800 The jury rejected it. Now they want it to be the basis for his conviction being overturned. Uh,

01:25:36.580 and this is getting attention now because, you know, that's just where we are right now. All criminal

01:25:41.860 justice convictions must be revisited, especially when in here the jury was all white and the defendant

01:25:48.600 is not. Yeah. You know, it's funny because when we were able to do this kind of thing,

01:25:55.900 we're able to have these innocence projects, the podcasts, all the entertaining things that

01:25:59.360 surround it. When we have convictions that are, that predate forensics as we know them today.

01:26:05.180 Right. Because when, without that, um, eyewitness testimony is often subject to, you know, uh,

01:26:12.340 it's problematic, um, other testimony, witness statements, blah, blah, et cetera. It's not as

01:26:17.800 solid in a jurors mind as, as the science can be. So it kind of lends itself to this sort of attack

01:26:26.700 years, years later down the road. But I, you know, and I didn't follow this case per se. I don't like

01:26:33.560 whenever children are killed, I kind of, you know, I'm not gonna, I don't get involved because I just,

01:26:38.260 I just, no excuse. Um, you know, and I don't know how much, if there's no solid evidence that can

01:26:45.960 exonerate, if there's no solid evidence that says not only is this man, he's innocent versus not only

01:26:53.280 can he, we not find him, uh, guilty. We actually have to find him innocent. If there's no evidence

01:26:58.900 to prove that, then I have a hard time overturning convictions that several courts have refused to

01:27:04.660 overturn, et cetera. And this to me falls in that vein, as opposed to another podcast. I don't know the,

01:27:12.080 and I know that you've heard of it, the serial podcast, which I thought it totally different

01:27:19.740 from this. When I listened to serial, I was hooked on serial. And I was also convinced that Adnan

01:27:25.580 Syed was innocent, actually innocent, not that they didn't prove it, that he was actually innocent. 0.75

01:27:31.340 And when I compare these two, it's not the same for me. Do you, how did you feel about the Adnan

01:27:38.500 Syed? When I listened to, when I listened to the podcast, I was leaning toward, oh yeah, 1.00

01:27:43.920 you know, there's, I don't know if he did it. Like I have enough questions that they should

01:27:47.320 try him again, that we should have another fair look at this. Um, but I've got questions about

01:27:52.340 Marilyn Mosby and the way that she, that's the prosecutor in Baltimore who, you know, you and 0.97

01:27:56.460 I go way back on her. Um, and she's an activist and this, they've raised similar allegations of like

01:28:02.660 Adnan was bullied because he was a Muslim and the police didn't do that. And she's like all about 1.00

01:28:07.860 identity politics. And she's the one who swooped in and said, oh no, he didn't do it. And now the

01:28:12.620 one who swooped in and said, and he's never going to be retried. We're not retrying him. It's over

01:28:16.780 double jeopardy, whatever. Can't go back at him. And, um, I, I don't trust her. And when I took a hard

01:28:23.600 look at the evidence, you know, that the family was raising, I, I remain with questions. Where's Jay?

01:28:28.840 First of all, he's the main witness in that case who says Adnan showed him the body in, in Adnan's

01:28:33.540 trunk and that he and Adnan buried the victim together. Right now. I realize there's some

01:28:38.420 holes in Jay's story, but I didn't find them that problematic. The biggest one was Jay originally

01:28:43.320 said that he, Adnan showed him the body of the defendant, the decedent in front of, um, Jay's

01:28:48.760 grandma's house. That's what actually happened, uh, now, according to Jay, but originally he told

01:28:53.460 cops another story and Jay is saying, I didn't want to tell you in front of my grandma's house. I

01:28:56.740 didn't want my grandma to get involved. And by the way, I deal drugs out of grandma's house. So I just

01:29:00.520 didn't really want you going over there messing with it. I buy that. I don't, I really have doubts

01:29:05.060 about Adnan. I'd like to see another trial. I don't, I don't agree with the decision not to retry

01:29:09.520 him, but I don't, I don't know about this case. I don't see anything here that makes me say we

01:29:14.840 should be revisiting this man's conviction. Nothing. What I see is an attention hungry, vain back to me

01:29:22.620 person who wants to see her name in the headlines, perhaps for some reason, other than her ass 0.99

01:29:28.560 trying to bring attention to herself and not to this defendant. That's what I believe is happening 0.97

01:29:34.140 here. Well, isn't it, isn't it perfect? I mean, what a great way to be a lawyer, right? Not actually

01:29:41.880 practicing law, just sort of practicing more legal entertainment, which I found serial to be very

01:29:48.320 legally entertaining. I'm sure Kim's podcast is very legally entertaining. She doesn't actually have

01:29:54.000 to make any decisions or have anybody's life specifically in her hands and not for nothing.

01:30:00.180 And you probably know this, but a lot of the, when, when we do have a defendant who is later

01:30:05.940 exonerated and let out of prison after so many years, they typically get big fat paychecks from the

01:30:13.320 state for their wrongful incarceration. And not that she needs the money. But, you know, I could see

01:30:20.000 that maybe helping her motivate things. I don't know. I mean, I just feel like uncomfortable

01:30:25.200 generally with this, like, you know, people who don't have law degrees, who don't have never

01:30:32.520 practiced law, who are not steeped in the criminal law, doing these in-depth podcasts, trying to get

01:30:38.680 somebody exonerated because they think it's exciting. They think it's, you know, they're onto

01:30:42.660 something. They're going to get their own name and lights. I think we really need to pump the brakes on

01:30:46.680 these cases because the public sort of loves these, you know, down on his luck. Oh, look at him now

01:30:53.300 stories. And there are real victims. You know, this guy says a jury murdered three people, including a

01:31:01.040 child and shot three more, including two other children. That is not somebody we want back out

01:31:05.580 in the streets because Kim Kardashian thinks he ought to be. So I really, I got, I got concerns about the

01:31:11.580 whole situation. All right, let's end it on Alex Jones being forced to being, being a billion dollar

01:31:18.240 verdict awarded against him in favor of the Sandy Hook families who sued him for the harassment that

01:31:23.700 he's unleashed on them by saying over and over and over again, that their crisis actors, that their

01:31:27.620 children didn't die. You know, he's like, they're not going to get paid. I declared bankruptcy for

01:31:34.300 these entities and, you know, has absolutely zero sympathy for them as he, as he has always shown.

01:31:40.960 So what's going to happen with this billion dollar verdict? Nothing. This is a Pyrrhic victory. Um,

01:31:47.200 I, unfortunately, I don't think these families are going to see a dime. There's so many way for Alex

01:31:52.660 Jones to, uh, evade having to actually pay them. Bankruptcy is one, but there are other ways that he

01:31:59.640 can do it just like a harken back to, um, OJ Simpson had a $33 million verdict against him.

01:32:05.800 I don't think he ever forked over a dime. There are ways around it. Smart lawyers, lawyers will be

01:32:10.800 able to, to do that unless, you know what I would love to see, but this will never happen. Imagine if

01:32:15.860 he just did a one 80 and was contrite and said, I'm going to pay what I have. I'm going to pay what

01:32:21.280 I have. And, and I don't know, maybe that is, I don't know if he's got a billion. I don't know if

01:32:25.040 he's got less than that, whatever, but I'm going to pay what I have and then walk away and either

01:32:29.000 go away, or I don't know if he's going to try to rebuild himself by, by being apologetic.

01:32:34.780 The harm to these families is beyond measured when they lost their children. He doubled down on that.

01:32:40.620 I would love to see them get paid. I predicted they won't. They just won't.

01:32:45.180 He, he continues. I'm sorry, but my friends in the media who say this is about his free speech

01:32:49.920 rights. I respectfully disagree because he named parents by name and repeatedly said that they were

01:32:55.980 crisis actors. And those parents testified about the hell that was unleashed in their world,

01:33:00.700 about their, their baby's bodies being threatened to be dug up by people who believed that they

01:33:06.380 weren't in there and being stopped on the street and harassed. And Alec, Alec Jones never stopped.

01:33:10.960 So going after them by name, even yesterday on his info word, war show Wednesday, he said,

01:33:17.940 and I quote, they covered up what really happened. And now I'm the devil. They covered up what really

01:33:23.080 happened. They did not cover up what really happened. They were very open about what really

01:33:27.440 happened. And it was one of the biggest tragedies to ever befall a set of parents in the United

01:33:32.640 States. Um, okay. Finally, before I let you go, Parkland, a massive shooting down in Parkland,

01:33:39.020 Florida, a school shooting, 17 dead. And the jury came back recommending life in prison for the shooter,

01:33:48.200 not the death penalty. Here was just one parent's reaction. This is Dr. Ilan.

01:33:52.480 Al-Hadef, father of Alyssa, Al-Hadef.

01:33:56.840 I'm disgusted with the system.

01:34:01.940 That you can allow 17 dead and 17 other shot and wounded and not give the death penalty. What do

01:34:10.260 we have the death penalty for? What is the purpose of it? You set a precedent today.

01:34:17.360 You set a precedent for the next mass killing and nothing happens to you. You'll get life

01:34:23.320 in jail. I'm sorry. That is not okay. As a country, we need to stand up and say, that's

01:34:31.020 not okay. I pray that that animal suffers every day of his life in jail.

01:34:37.720 And he should have a short life. 0.73

01:34:44.400 Oh, poor dad, Jonna. I mean, the jury, apparently there was one woman who held out. What do you make

01:34:53.020 of it?

01:34:53.220 I couldn't agree more. It's absolutely disgusting. The jury made a mistake in that, you know, come 0.97

01:34:59.620 on, to have sympathy, to have sympathy because I don't know, this guy, they thought he might have

01:35:04.780 some sort of mental illness. I'm sure that was brought up in the penalty phase that, you know,

01:35:09.300 mom drank when he was in the womb, you know, 17 kids. It's disgusting. I can't, I really, 0.90

01:35:16.960 I really don't have words for that, but he will, but I will, there is some solace. He won't live long

01:35:21.300 in prison. He absolutely won't. People who do that do not live long in prison. He'll be murdered

01:35:25.440 or something, whatever. They'll find him, uh, you know, belly up in his, in his bunk, but dead. 0.92

01:35:32.160 It's just so awful. Uh, listen, thank you so much for being here. We're going to call up Robert and

01:35:37.500 start prank phone calling him. Thanks so much for joining us, everyone. Next week on the show,

01:35:42.480 Mike Rowe comes back. I'm looking forward to that. And an interview with U.S. Top Gun fighter pilot,

01:35:48.400 Dave Burke, what Dave learned from his decades of service about fear and discipline. What did he

01:35:54.980 think of Tom Cruise in the Top Gun movie that just came out? Did he do Top Gun justice? I'll ask him.

01:36:02.620 This is an interview you won't want to miss. In the meantime, download the show, Megan Kelly show on

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 14, 2022

Leaving the Dems, Leftist Policies in Schools, and Weinstein’s Upcoming Trial, with Tulsi Gabbard and Jonna Spilbor ｜ Ep. 412

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