The Megyn Kelly Show - Left Covers Up Charlotte Stabbing, and ＂Non-Binary＂ Meltdown, with Andrew Klavan, Plus Kevin Hines' Inspiring Survival Story

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00:01:01.420 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:01:13.140 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:16.200 In our second hour, we have something different for you.

00:01:18.800 It's National Suicide Awareness Week, and we're going to be joined by Kevin Hines just a bit later,

00:01:26.000 who I met when I was at NBC. He came on my show.

00:01:29.820 He literally jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge.

00:01:34.000 You may have heard about him and lived to tell about it.

00:01:37.560 And he has spent the rest of his life trying to stop others from making the same kind of decision he made.

00:01:45.040 Well, something special happened between us that day, and even Kevin doesn't know about it,

00:01:51.960 but we're going to get into it in our second hour, and I hope you will stay tuned for that.

00:01:56.800 First, though, a lot of news to get to today.

00:01:58.840 More developments and reaction to the heinous murder of an innocent young Ukrainian woman caught on camera in Charlotte.

00:02:05.900 The caught on camera part, that's the problem that's problematic, if you ask Axios.

00:02:10.980 Plus, a, quote, non-binary journalist cannot explain to Piers Morgan what non-binary means.

00:02:18.480 It's an amazing clip. I love Piers. This is the clip of the day.

00:02:22.680 He completely exposed this person just by asking that simple question,

00:02:26.960 and then he was like a dog with a bone in asking it once he realized she couldn't answer it.

00:02:32.440 It's amazing how these leftists throw out these terms or even adopt them and claim them as their own identity

00:02:38.400 without being able to even define them.

00:02:41.260 All right, so we'll get to that in a minute.

00:02:42.920 But joining me now to react to this and more is Andrew Klavan.

00:02:46.000 He's host of The Andrew Klavan Show and author of the novel, After That, The Dark,

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00:04:36.140 So this story out of Charlotte, North Carolina, grows.

00:04:40.360 It grows only because the mainstream media has been dragged, kicking, and screaming over

00:04:46.160 to covering it.

00:04:47.180 You know, only because of shows like yours and mine were they forced to acknowledge this

00:04:52.900 young, beautiful, innocent, white, blonde, beautiful Ukrainian woman was killed, stabbed

00:05:01.320 to death out of nowhere by a black man from Charlotte, North Carolina, who seems deeply

00:05:08.940 disturbed in multiple ways and had been, as they say, a sophisticated consumer of the criminal

00:05:15.880 justice system prior to plunging his pocket knife into poor Irina's neck on a train, on

00:05:23.340 a public train.

00:05:24.680 An extraordinary display on CNN last night on that Abby Phillips show discussing this story.

00:05:32.840 And she had on, among others, my pal Arthur Rydala was there.

00:05:38.860 She had on Van Jones.

00:05:42.840 And Van Jones is completely gone.

00:05:46.180 I mean, his take on this story is insane.

00:05:49.060 And he knows better.

00:05:50.640 He knows better.

00:05:52.000 He didn't do his homework, I'm going to guess.

00:05:53.920 But where they took this commentary was deeply ignorant.

00:05:57.760 And, of course, insulting and played the race card against the people who are saying, hey,

00:06:04.100 this would be very different if the races were reversed of the perp and the victim.

00:06:09.120 First, I want to update the audience from this point yesterday on the murderer accused

00:06:14.060 to Carlos Brown, who on this train, after he plunged the knife into Irina, got up and walked

00:06:21.360 down a couple of car train cars and then off the train.

00:06:25.420 And as he had the knife, as he was dripping blood, and now we have heard, and we heard

00:06:30.480 this yesterday prior to that CNN show late last night, the audio of what he says, listen

00:06:37.460 carefully, we've listened to it many times, we've sped it up, we've slowed it down, we've

00:06:41.560 turned up the volume, and what he is saying is, I got that white girl.

00:06:46.000 I got that white girl.

00:06:47.580 Here it is.

00:06:55.420 So, very disturbing.

00:07:11.260 He's disturbed and obviously is mentioning race.

00:07:15.260 By the way, on that front, we have a belief, a well-founded belief, that the FBI may be

00:07:21.540 stepping into this case with an announcement shortly.

00:07:24.100 So, stay tuned for that.

00:07:25.000 It could happen during this show.

00:07:26.640 All right.

00:07:27.060 So, with all that buildup, I'm going to take you to Abby Phillips' show.

00:07:30.900 And here's Abby Phillips, who never misses an opportunity to make her segments or her

00:07:35.700 show about race and how oppressed black people, like Abby Phillips, who makes millions of

00:07:40.160 dollars, presumably, are.

00:07:42.380 Here she is in Sot 3.

00:07:43.560 Certain people have been looking for an opportunity to find a case like this, to make a point like

00:07:52.820 this.

00:07:53.120 I want to play, this is Charlie Kirk, why he says this hasn't gotten a lot of attention.

00:07:59.060 A white Ukrainian refugee was murdered just because she was white.

00:08:04.200 Everybody knows that, obviously.

00:08:05.840 If a random white person simply walked up to and stabbed a nice law-abiding black person

00:08:11.760 for no reason, it would be an apocalyptically huge national story used to impose national

00:08:18.720 sweeping political change on the whole country.

00:08:20.720 Instead, Megan Basham, no one seems to care when a white woman gets stabbed to the dead.

00:08:25.800 Wow.

00:08:26.560 He said white a lot.

00:08:27.880 They've been looking for opportunities to make this some sort of, like, reciprocal George

00:08:32.340 Floyd situation.

00:08:34.100 And that's the part that I think he's almost giving away the game.

00:08:38.720 And it's sad to see a lot of people going along with it.

00:08:42.480 It's sad.

00:08:43.640 She's sad.

00:08:44.240 She's super sad.

00:08:45.700 And here's the follow-up.

00:08:47.200 Hold your thought.

00:08:48.400 From Van Jones in Sot 4.

00:08:50.620 We don't know why that man did what he did.

00:08:54.560 And for Charlie Kirk to say, we know he did it because she's white, when there's no evidence

00:08:59.160 of that, it's just pure race-mongering, hate-mongering.

00:09:03.640 It's wrong.

00:09:04.520 Then he says that if something like that had happened the other way, there would be sweeping

00:09:09.060 changes imposed on society.

00:09:11.040 Where is the George Floyd Policing Act?

00:09:13.480 It didn't pass.

00:09:14.720 You mentioned the thing about cashless bail.

00:09:17.020 I think this is a big challenge that we have.

00:09:19.660 Would you have felt better if there had been cash bail and the mom had come and put down

00:09:24.800 $1,000 to let him out?

00:09:26.160 It's not about cashless bail or no cashless bail.

00:09:28.860 It's about the fact that we don't know how to deal with people who are hurting in the

00:09:32.640 way this man was hurting.

00:09:33.940 Hurt people hurt people.

00:09:35.200 Oh, my God.

00:09:37.120 Hurt people hurt people.

00:09:39.100 That's okay.

00:09:40.460 Just two quick things.

00:09:43.800 The mom would have gotten him out of jail if there had been bailouts.

00:09:49.660 We don't know that she wouldn't have gone down and bailed him out.

00:09:52.140 Yes, we do, because the mom wanted him locked up.

00:09:55.080 Van needs to do his homework.

00:09:56.360 He did not do his homework before he went on that show, because I do not believe he wants

00:09:59.940 to appear willfully ignorant.

00:10:01.780 The mother was upset that the system continued turning her son back out into the community.

00:10:07.400 She didn't know what to do with him and had run out of options.

00:10:10.320 So I believe the mother would not have bailed him out had there been cash bail.

00:10:14.460 And the business about where's the George Floyd policing, like nothing changed in this

00:10:19.580 country after George Floyd, Andrew.

00:10:21.680 Like we're just going to pretend that that wasn't some watershed moment where the left

00:10:26.480 lost its ever loving mind and forced all of corporate America and sports America and

00:10:32.180 educational America to bend the knee on this racial, this race essentialism, which has

00:10:39.020 still infested virtually every area of our lives and how we live to this day.

00:10:43.860 We're only starting to unravel it.

00:10:45.980 Thanks to the Trump election this past November.

00:10:48.460 Your thoughts on it all.

00:10:49.960 Well, I think this is a huge story.

00:10:52.060 Leaving aside the details of the story itself, the story that I think is just basically is

00:10:59.160 an example of our time and what this moment in time is about is the question of whether

00:11:04.180 a news media that is corrupt to its core is going to continue to be allowed to distort the

00:11:10.940 facts and distort the state of the country.

00:11:13.200 Or have we finally amassed enough power in independent media to turn that story around?

00:11:19.860 What I mean by that is this, there are two kinds of news stories, essentially.

00:11:23.720 There's a news story that's sensational.

00:11:25.580 We're all interested if a beautiful blonde movie star gets killed by her famous athlete

00:11:31.380 husband, that's a big story simply because we are made as human beings to pay attention

00:11:37.400 to stories like that in the same way we're made to tell stories about kings in Shakespeare

00:11:42.120 to represent something about the human race.

00:11:44.280 We attach our identities to famous, beautiful people.

00:11:48.460 That's just a human fact.

00:11:50.460 That's not a very important story.

00:11:52.360 It's just a sensational story and an appealing story.

00:11:54.520 The other kind of story are stories that are examples indicative of what is going on.

00:11:59.560 So if 50 people are slaughtered on a single night or shot on a single night in Chicago,

00:12:04.380 that's an important news story because it indicates what's going on in Chicago and in

00:12:09.080 cities that are run in a similar way to Chicago.

00:12:11.640 This corrupt media has done everything it can to make the exception the rule and the rule

00:12:18.620 the exception to cover a George Floyd story, which is an anomalous story, a story of a man

00:12:23.380 who died in police custody.

00:12:24.700 Maybe, maybe we're not even sure of this, even though a court decided it was true.

00:12:29.520 We're not sure that he died because of the actions of a police officer.

00:12:33.340 We certainly can say that the police officer didn't act out of bigotry because he was never

00:12:37.440 charged with a hate crime.

00:12:38.960 So we know that was never an issue, but we have no idea why that happened, but it's a

00:12:43.440 very rare thing that happens.

00:12:45.680 What is not a rare thing is black people committing crime and they don't commit crimes because

00:12:50.700 they're black.

00:12:51.360 These, the obsession with race is on the left.

00:12:53.560 It's not on the right.

00:12:54.480 What we're saying is cover everything as what it is.

00:12:57.920 If you want to cover, you know, the beautiful actress getting killed by the athlete, that's

00:13:02.100 fine.

00:13:02.360 But don't tell us that's the state of athletics and movie stars because it's not.

00:13:06.060 But if you're going to cover the story of a black man attacking a white person, that

00:13:11.080 is a more likely scenario.

00:13:13.200 And if you want to really cover murder, which is almost all male against male and a lot of

00:13:17.480 it, a very strong disproportion of it, black against black, then cover that because that's

00:13:22.740 going to tell you something about the state of the country.

00:13:24.640 What the left does continually is it raises up the exception as the rule.

00:13:31.160 And it does it because of hostility toward this country and because of what this country

00:13:35.420 stands for, which is the sovereignty of the people, the government of ordinary people

00:13:40.340 running the elites.

00:13:42.020 And what the media represents in their corruption is this sliver of elites who set opinions and

00:13:48.420 tell us what we're supposed to think and do.

00:13:50.260 You're absolutely right.

00:13:51.660 George Floyd, it didn't change anything.

00:13:54.280 It simply exploded a narrative that had been in the pipeline for decades up until that moment.

00:14:01.260 And they seized upon it in a moment of crisis, the moment of the pandemic, and caused and

00:14:06.160 encouraged riots and then told us the riots weren't happening.

00:14:09.240 And if they were happening, we deserved it.

00:14:11.600 Moved to defund the police, which of course is a horrible thing to do to the poor and to

00:14:18.120 people living in tough black neighborhoods where they need the police more than anybody

00:14:21.520 else.

00:14:21.860 And to explain to us that we systemically are racist, which is a complete nonsense.

00:14:27.580 We are no, we were the least, I've lived in different countries.

00:14:30.540 This is the least racist country I have ever been in.

00:14:33.380 It's not that human beings aren't racist.

00:14:35.160 They are, but this is the least racist systemically country I've ever been in.

00:14:39.340 And so what we are doing now is we have forced them to cover a story that would have been covered.

00:14:45.260 We know for a fact it would have been covered 0%.

00:14:48.040 And we know that because until X and you and all of us started chiming in and saying,

00:14:53.660 wait a minute, why isn't this a big story?

00:14:55.440 Because it is both sensational and indicative.

00:14:58.900 Why isn't it?

00:14:59.580 We have forced them now to cover it in the kind of crazy way that CNN was covering it.

00:15:03.700 We're not talking about race.

00:15:05.760 We're talking about the fact that they are excluding this from the news because of race.

00:15:10.600 That's exactly right.

00:15:11.760 This is a story of human evil and it's a story of the fact that there is a culture in,

00:15:17.620 there is a black culture that has been created by the left.

00:15:21.100 It was encouraged by the left of fatherless children, of not being responsible, of cashless

00:15:27.760 bail, which is a simply insane policy that has basically enculturated this kind of person

00:15:34.960 to crime.

00:15:36.660 And then they say, oh, we're not allowed to pay attention to that crime because it's because

00:15:39.940 they're black.

00:15:40.380 It's not because they're black, it's because the left is the left and the left has dominated

00:15:44.520 black society, which also, Megan, is a question of elites dictating to the poor.

00:15:50.500 You know, this is, for instance, when you talk about fatherless children, it is one thing

00:15:54.880 for the New York Times to tell its people in Park Slope that wouldn't it be fun to try

00:16:00.080 a throuple?

00:16:00.940 Wouldn't it be great to have a child out of wedlock?

00:16:03.180 What do you need a father for?

00:16:04.520 Wouldn't it be just as good if gay people adopted?

00:16:06.840 Wouldn't it be just as good if we got rid of the family?

00:16:10.380 That's going to be fine if you have the money to pay for the rehab your fatherless child

00:16:15.180 is going to end up in.

00:16:16.220 If you don't have the money to pay for that rehab and if you don't have the money to buy

00:16:20.000 people off so they don't pay attention to his criminality and his bad behavior, your

00:16:24.160 son is going to end up in prison.

00:16:26.200 And then you're going to cry, oh, it's because of black people.

00:16:28.840 It's not because of black people.

00:16:30.260 It's because of leftist policies.

00:16:32.740 You know, Malcolm Gladwell the other day came out and said that he had been cowed into saying

00:16:39.220 that men could play in women's sports.

00:16:41.220 I stopped reading Malcolm Gladwell many years ago now because he wrote a book about David

00:16:48.140 and Goliath in which he said that putting people in prison was bad because it took males

00:16:54.260 out of poor black neighborhoods so they had no male role models.

00:16:58.380 And in fact, it increased crime.

00:17:00.200 And I was reading that and I thought, except it didn't.

00:17:03.380 Putting criminals in prison cut crime.

00:17:06.220 The crime between now and the 80s when leftist policies were in play, when leftist policies

00:17:12.080 were dominant, it has plummeted because of Giuliani style policing that does not make any excuses

00:17:20.300 for anybody.

00:17:20.980 Everybody who commits a crime has to go to jail.

00:17:24.240 And that's the thing.

00:17:25.640 When Gladwell said that, I thought, well, he's just not telling the truth.

00:17:28.800 I'm sorry.

00:17:29.940 The facts are facts and the numbers show that putting people in prison, acting as if criminals

00:17:35.920 are criminals, punishing criminals for the crimes they commit brings crime down.

00:17:40.800 It gets the criminal off the street and it tells the next guy maybe not to commit that

00:17:44.700 crime if you don't want to wind up spending your life.

00:17:46.460 But that's so interesting because he's been known as like the data guy.

00:17:49.900 He just takes you where the data goes.

00:17:51.580 He does a study on like, what are people doing with the hockey teams in terms of starting

00:17:56.540 their sons in school as a certain date to make them older?

00:17:59.500 And he goes back and does another study, data-driven study on it.

00:18:02.560 So you kind of figured out early on, maybe he's not fully data-driven.

00:18:06.440 Maybe he's agenda-driven.

00:18:08.040 And that's the point from which he starts, which is basically what he admitted.

00:18:11.760 I go back and forth on his admission from last week where he said, for the listening

00:18:15.140 audience that didn't hear us play it a couple of days ago, he admitted that he moderated

00:18:19.620 a panel a couple of years ago and that he intentionally misled on his own feelings when

00:18:26.380 he suggested boys should be allowed to play in girls sports if they say they're trans.

00:18:30.460 And now he's saying that wasn't, he hasn't turned since then.

00:18:35.720 He hasn't like come to see the error of his ways that he was actively lying about his opinion

00:18:41.100 at the time in order to not be, you know, ostracized by the crowd to be, to be loved.

00:18:47.320 And I am, I am of two minds of it because on the one hand, it isn't, it's different.

00:18:55.560 I mean, like I've talked many times about some of the segments I did on NBC, which I deeply

00:18:59.460 regret, but I did them like we had a bunch of so-called trans children, which is not a

00:19:04.840 thing on the show in a celebratory way.

00:19:07.340 And we talked about not bullying and being loving and accepting.

00:19:10.620 And I say to the audience, and I think my audience knows me at this point, that was

00:19:15.120 done truly out of just kindness in my heart and a willingness to eradicate bullying of

00:19:20.380 children.

00:19:21.720 And, and without an understanding at the time of how we were all being manipulated and misled

00:19:28.040 by activists who do not have the wellbeing of children at all in the forefront of their

00:19:33.220 heads.

00:19:33.440 So I see that as very different for what Malcolm Gladwell did.

00:19:37.600 He, he lied yet.

00:19:38.580 He was too cowardly to admit how he actually feels, I felt.

00:19:42.020 And so I feel like, okay, so he does deserve some shaming because he was cowardly.

00:19:46.260 Now he's saying it himself though, which leads me to the second piece of mind on it, which

00:19:50.260 is, shouldn't we encourage that?

00:19:53.060 Like who else is going to come out and admit the folly of their ways, even if it was the

00:19:58.960 folly was making a terrible, dishonest choice.

00:20:01.180 If we shame all the people who come out and admit that they did this crap.

00:20:06.000 Normally I would agree with you.

00:20:07.440 Normally I would say if somebody comes out and says, you know, I was a coward, I failed.

00:20:11.480 I tried because let's face it, that happens to everybody.

00:20:14.540 And what the left does is when you apologize, they take it as blood in the water.

00:20:17.960 You apologize and they destroy you.

00:20:19.820 It's only the people who stand up to the left and spit in their eye, even when they're

00:20:22.800 wrong, who survived the kind of shaming and canceling that the left brings about.

00:20:26.540 So normally I would say, yes, good for Malcolm Gladwell for admitting it.

00:20:30.080 He failed.

00:20:30.920 He had a moment of failure.

00:20:31.840 The problem is, is that I've read a bunch of his books and they're almost all like this.

00:20:36.600 And he was actually part of the system that shamed him, that cowed him.

00:20:40.580 He too accused people of racism when they disagreed.

00:20:44.580 That was the system that he was in.

00:20:46.320 So he basically got bit by his own alligator.

00:20:49.020 And it's a little bit hard to feel sorry for him for that.

00:20:52.580 You know, it is one thing if, you know, a person comes out, maybe he's a comedian or

00:20:57.800 whatever, and he says something stupid and then says, you know what?

00:21:00.960 I got intimidated.

00:21:02.360 I'm all for forgiveness there.

00:21:03.580 I think you have to forgive people for failures or else we're all in big trouble because we all

00:21:07.020 fail.

00:21:07.740 But he was part of that system.

00:21:09.800 And a lot of what he did, and I always felt this about his books, a lot of what he did

00:21:13.720 was, you know, these lies, damn lies and statistics.

00:21:16.880 And even though he brought the statistics, just like Steven Pinker, a lot of statistics

00:21:20.960 did not say what he said they said.

00:21:23.840 And so this to me is so important.

00:21:26.500 You know, I've been talking now for a long time about narrative and we all use the word

00:21:31.120 narrative, but it is a real thing.

00:21:33.220 It is a real thing what the going narrative is.

00:21:36.340 And the example I always use is George Washington, an absolute hero of liberty, holding slaves and

00:21:42.140 not understanding why the slaves didn't work on his farm as hard as he did.

00:21:46.360 He literally didn't understand it.

00:21:47.980 That's how powerful narrative is.

00:21:50.080 That is how it sweeps all of us away.

00:21:52.480 I believe that that's true today of abortion.

00:21:54.460 I believe women have abortions without understanding what it is they're doing.

00:21:58.340 And that's why I don't think they should be penalized.

00:22:00.560 I don't think necessarily transgender people should be penalized as much as the people who

00:22:05.800 tell them there are such things as mothering persons or front holes or whatever it is they

00:22:10.700 tell them.

00:22:11.080 This is induced mental illness, chest feeding.

00:22:14.340 This is induced mental illness.

00:22:16.320 In the case of black people, I think their culture has been gutted by the left.

00:22:20.700 I think it's been sexually gutted.

00:22:22.240 I think it's been societally gutted.

00:22:23.920 I think the fact that when somebody, you know, dresses like a punk and a thug, we don't say,

00:22:29.060 hey, there's a way we dress in our society that telegraphs.

00:22:32.800 It's a language.

00:22:33.860 It telegraphs to each other that we're decent people.

00:22:36.920 You know, Megan, when I used to have to go to work at three in the morning because I was

00:22:40.080 working in news, I used to actually reroute myself sometimes around a disco where I knew

00:22:46.480 there'd be people out in the middle of the morning.

00:22:48.600 And it happened to be a black disco, but it was a black disco for people who had money.

00:22:52.280 And it was, you know, you'd see good looking guys, well-dressed with good looking women.

00:22:55.960 You knew they weren't going to mug you.

00:22:57.500 And not only that, I knew that if I was mugged, they would come to my help.

00:23:01.020 They would come to my aid.

00:23:02.400 It's not about race.

00:23:03.920 It's so much about culture.

00:23:05.560 And I think because the left has polluted a race with a bad culture, they can mix those

00:23:12.220 things up.

00:23:12.740 But it's them who did it.

00:23:14.020 It's not us.

00:23:15.460 Totally agree.

00:23:16.280 For the listening audience, we did pull over the Gladwell sound just so you don't stay

00:23:20.820 confused.

00:23:21.340 If you are, here's the clip we've been discussing.

00:23:23.240 If we did a replay of that exact panel at the Sloan conference this coming March, it

00:23:31.720 runs in exactly the opposite direction.

00:23:35.060 And it would be, I suspect, near unanimity in the room that trans athletes have no place

00:23:43.240 in the female category.

00:23:46.820 I don't think there's any question.

00:23:48.380 I just think it was a strange, I mean, I felt, I mean, I was, the reason, I was,

00:23:53.240 I'm ashamed of my performance of that panel because I share your position a hundred percent

00:23:59.100 and I was count.

00:24:02.920 I will say to your point, I saw a long piece by Douglas Murray who posted, who's debated

00:24:09.500 Gladwell, and he did not have a lot of charity for Gladwell.

00:24:13.320 He said a lot of what you just said, suggesting that Gladwell is a dishonest debater and had,

00:24:20.400 you know, wrongfully turned alleged facts against Murray about things he had said, which he hadn't

00:24:26.820 and so on.

00:24:27.280 Like, he also had absolutely no quarter for him.

00:24:29.740 And there was somebody else online who I follow on Twitter, I'm trying to remember who it was,

00:24:33.060 who had a similar reaction.

00:24:34.320 The people I follow have like almost, it was Taibbi, Matt Taibbi, who like uniformly were

00:24:39.920 like, no, apology not accepted because they don't believe he's coming in good faith.

00:24:45.740 I don't know.

00:24:46.480 I don't know Gladwell very well.

00:24:47.680 He's been on the show, but this is something I'd love to discuss with him.

00:24:50.380 And I'd raise those other issues too, just to see what he has to say.

00:24:53.000 Maybe we will ask him on.

00:24:54.580 Okay.

00:24:54.800 Back to the story in North Carolina.

00:24:57.240 And hat tip to Andy Ngo, who that's the person from whom I learned that this perpetrator was

00:25:03.880 walking on the train saying, I got that white girl, got that white girl.

00:25:07.400 I'm going to guess Brian Stelter and Van Jones may stupidly not follow Andy, which is really

00:25:13.680 dumb because he's one of the best ex-follows you can find.

00:25:16.860 He's been on the show before.

00:25:18.040 And here is Brian Stelter with his take on what's really going on here, not on that late

00:25:26.480 night show, but on a different segment on CNN yesterday.

00:25:29.380 It's not too.

00:25:30.880 Really over the weekend, Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, other Trump aligned figures succeeded

00:25:35.760 in making this senseless death a symbol of big city crime.

00:25:40.040 We heard President Trump asked about it yesterday when he was heading home from New York City.

00:25:43.920 He didn't seem to know much about it.

00:25:45.480 He said he would get briefed.

00:25:46.440 And then today, Trump did know all about it.

00:25:48.540 That's exactly what has happened here.

00:25:49.900 This story has trickled up from local news to social media and now to the president's attention.

00:25:55.400 And it's being used, as you said, Brianna, as a political symbol with MAGA media calling

00:25:59.800 for more forceful punishments and more incarceration.

00:26:03.100 I have to say, some of the replies to Musk, some of the comments around this story are baldly

00:26:07.720 racist, stoking fear of African-Americans because this man attacked a white woman.

00:26:13.140 The open racism on sites like X today, it's eye-popping.

00:26:16.880 But there are also legitimate questions about this so-called career criminal, someone who had

00:26:21.480 been a repeat offender.

00:26:22.900 And those questions, I hope they're not lost amid all of the cesspool kind of comments

00:26:27.320 on social media.

00:26:28.920 All right.

00:26:29.520 First, first of all, Andrew, this is it's a lie.

00:26:32.520 OK, we went back and looked at Elon's post and just actually started looking at the comments

00:26:37.120 just to see, is it a cesspool of racist comments?

00:26:40.260 It wasn't not at all.

00:26:41.600 Most of them had stats about black on white crime.

00:26:44.340 That's that's what dominated the comments by Elon's followers.

00:26:48.200 So I'm not exactly sure what Stelter is referring to, but he may be employing a trick that the

00:26:53.460 left loves to employ.

00:26:55.600 And I mean it.

00:26:56.720 Everybody from Meghan Markle to the CNN anchors, you see one or two bad tweets and you make that

00:27:04.940 the narrative.

00:27:06.140 You know, you can give me a break.

00:27:08.020 You could go to anybody's X feed or Instagram feed or any feed and find one or two comments

00:27:13.860 that are nasty or ignorant or what have you and and try to blow that up into your own personal

00:27:19.660 narrative.

00:27:19.860 I was attacked.

00:27:20.880 I was I was under withering attack.

00:27:23.320 That's like, OK, two people said something inappropriate.

00:27:26.040 Grow up.

00:27:27.140 And I guarantee you that's what he's doing there, because the left loves the narrative of it's

00:27:33.220 only the racists who are responding to this hideous crime and it's the racists who want

00:27:38.540 to make this about black on white crime.

00:27:40.560 The truth is, as you know, the vast majority of Americans watching these crimes, and there

00:27:45.560 have been many of them over the past five to 10 years that we've seen on camera.

00:27:51.060 Are very reluctant to mention the races at all.

00:27:54.520 Very few want to say, gee, I'm seeing a pattern of black people beating the hell out of white

00:27:59.060 people because I'm not a racist and I don't impugn behavior to the masses that I've seen

00:28:04.940 from a few.

00:28:05.600 That's that's the instinct of most Americans.

00:28:08.060 But the truth is that the left injects race in so many of these crimes and instances that

00:28:15.680 when it happens so obviously in the other direction and they don't even cover the crime,

00:28:21.500 they don't cover it by not mentioning the race.

00:28:24.220 They don't cover it at all.

00:28:26.160 Of course, we're going to stand up and say, hmm, gee, A, I see a pattern and B, I see a

00:28:33.140 pattern in your media behavior that compels me to point out the dynamic that you seem to

00:28:39.960 be willfully omitting.

00:28:42.440 Yeah, well, it's not only true, as you say, that if 500,000 conservatives get together and

00:28:49.280 one of them is wearing a swastika because he's a Nazi, that's the guy they fought.

00:28:53.920 That's the guy in the picture.

00:28:54.740 That is every single time that is the guy in the picture.

00:28:56.860 So they always do that and smear us in that way.

00:28:59.100 But the other thing is this, and I think this is part of the intention and it's part

00:29:02.320 of the system and it works really well for them, is that if you tell people they can't

00:29:06.800 see what they see, you are encouraging racism, not snuffing it out.

00:29:11.620 If you tell people, if you tell a woman that she shouldn't be more nervous when a black guy

00:29:16.880 in a hoodie gets in an elevator with her than she is when a businessman in a suit gets in

00:29:21.380 the elevator with her, eventually she is going to become a racist.

00:29:25.320 She's going to say, well, I don't want to say this because everybody's going to yell

00:29:28.120 at me, but I notice it's the black guys who make me afraid.

00:29:31.360 You know, this is the argument I have.

00:29:33.780 Listen, I know people who are genuine bigots and I sometimes say to them, you know, I don't

00:29:38.240 think you're seeing this right.

00:29:39.680 And they say, I don't care.

00:29:40.660 I don't care.

00:29:41.160 All I know is I've been mugged three times and every time it was by a black guy.

00:29:44.820 And I'm not going to be silenced about that.

00:29:47.520 When you silence people, you make them angry.

00:29:50.360 They stop thinking straight and they start saying, you know, things that can in fact be

00:29:54.580 hateful.

00:29:55.100 Look, listen, I once talked to a DA who was as left as is far to be a prosecutor, who

00:30:00.080 was as far left as is possible to be.

00:30:01.760 And she sat there with me and she described what each race, what kind of crimes each race

00:30:07.020 commits, you know?

00:30:08.280 So, you know, if you find a Jewish guy, he's going to commit a, you know, if he's a criminal,

00:30:12.140 he's going to commit a financial crime, a black guy is going to commit a street crime.

00:30:15.760 And she went on and she was talking about like Latvians.

00:30:17.800 I mean, she had the whole thing laid out.

00:30:20.480 That's just part of culture.

00:30:21.720 That's the way culture works.

00:30:22.900 It isolates people and it isolates people according to the ways that people isolate themselves,

00:30:27.120 which are race and money and class and all kinds of different things.

00:30:30.740 And so that we're not supposed to mention this makes the racists, it gives the racists

00:30:36.580 credibility.

00:30:38.220 You know, when a Nick Fuentes comes out and says, oh, you know, nobody ever talks about

00:30:43.720 the blacks, but the blacks do this and that.

00:30:45.580 And people, I know young people, they sit and listen to him and go, you know, that's

00:30:49.320 true.

00:30:49.640 Nobody ever mentions that, but there's some truth to that.

00:30:51.740 And it gives him credibility, which he doesn't deserve.

00:30:55.220 If you let people speak openly and discuss things openly and stop calling them damn names

00:31:00.860 every time they say something that doesn't adhere to your point of view, you will get to

00:31:05.680 the truth eventually, or you'll get closer to it than we are now.

00:31:08.800 Listen, this, the reason this moment is so important, and I don't mean in any way to

00:31:12.460 minimize the actual crime of that beautiful young woman who's escaping from Ukraine of

00:31:16.580 all places and gets killed on a light rail.

00:31:19.880 I mean, I don't mean to minimize the details of that crime, but in terms of the bigger story,

00:31:24.820 it is this fight that we are in.

00:31:26.620 And this is a death fight because they don't want to lose this power.

00:31:29.500 This is the power with which they have run the country for 50 years.

00:31:32.520 This is the time when we are going to find out if we can take the narrative back because

00:31:37.760 we're right.

00:31:38.820 That's the reason.

00:31:40.020 If we take it back because we're hateful, if we take it back because we're just angry,

00:31:43.800 then I think we're going to lose it eventually because that's not the way Americans want to

00:31:47.060 live.

00:31:47.640 But if we take it back because what we are saying is true, the guy did kill her because

00:31:52.820 she was white.

00:31:54.200 But more importantly, this is a much more likely crime to happen than the death of George Floyd,

00:32:00.020 if the death of George Floyd was a crime at all.

00:32:02.220 And so they absolutely manufactured nationwide riots around an anomaly, an exception to the

00:32:10.240 rule.

00:32:10.680 But they don't want us to point out that the rule is the rule and talk about those things

00:32:16.180 that are indicative of how this country is run, how this country's culture fails people,

00:32:20.540 and how the left has failed in building those cultures.

00:32:23.280 That's what they're trying to escape.

00:32:25.520 That's the power they're trying to hold on to.

00:32:27.620 And that's the power we're trying to take away from them because they shouldn't have it.

00:32:31.220 They shouldn't have it.

00:32:32.160 They're in the wrong.

00:32:32.880 They're corrupt.

00:32:33.500 And they have done great damage to this country.

00:32:35.840 More damage by having the control of the media and the academies than in any other way.

00:32:41.920 And that's why they hate Donald Trump so much because he knows it and he does something about

00:32:45.520 it.

00:32:46.280 Exactly right.

00:32:47.140 So I'm looking at the update.

00:32:49.680 Yesterday, we told the team no one had covered it.

00:32:51.820 I mean, virtually nobody.

00:32:53.400 Zero.

00:32:53.740 I don't know.

00:32:54.360 It's not virtually.

00:32:54.960 No one had covered it in the mainstream media at all.

00:32:58.160 And now the update today, New York Times has a 4 p.m. Monday nothing.

00:33:03.460 NPR has a 4 p.m. Monday nothing.

00:33:05.900 CNN posted first article at 3 p.m. Monday.

00:33:08.520 Washington Post reposted an Associated Press article at 5 p.m.

00:33:13.180 The Associated Press posted nothing until 4 p.m. Monday.

00:33:16.820 This all broke over the weekend.

00:33:19.640 They had had 48 hours by this point to get on the story.

00:33:22.160 They wouldn't because they viewed it as a Charlie Kirk story or a MAGA story that you

00:33:29.120 have.

00:33:29.720 Let's see.

00:33:29.980 Oh, on Monday morning.

00:33:32.140 Only CBS this morning ran a story.

00:33:34.440 Nothing from the Today Show.

00:33:36.280 Nothing from Good Morning America.

00:33:39.020 Not interested whatsoever.

00:33:40.260 And then Politico drops an article which does not mention that the defendant is black and

00:33:51.280 that Zarutska is white and includes no photo, no photo of either the perpetrator or the victim

00:34:00.700 includes only a photo of Donald Trump.

00:34:04.440 You cannot make this crap up.

00:34:06.520 So they and by the way, you don't have to be a journalist to understand that.

00:34:12.260 I'm just going to get very frank with you about commercial incentives.

00:34:15.140 When you have a girl this beautiful, this stunningly beautiful girl in any other circumstance, Politico,

00:34:23.080 AP, Washington Post, New York, all of them would be running a huge photograph of her because

00:34:29.940 beautiful people attract attention, whether they're victims or not.

00:34:34.800 And they understand that the commercial incentive would be to stop and look at this person and

00:34:41.000 say what's going on around her.

00:34:42.740 And for Politico not to include her picture, it tells us everything we need to know.

00:34:49.080 They didn't want the narrative to be pushed out there that it's a white victim and a black

00:34:55.320 perpetrator because they believe that's going to somehow endanger black lives.

00:34:59.740 That's what their that's what their take will be.

00:35:01.360 Just like we've heard from people like at The New York Times and elsewhere that just

00:35:05.540 discussing this kind of thing endangers black bodies, we've heard before.

00:35:10.920 And so we have no choice but to drag them to the story kicking and screaming.

00:35:15.440 I want to stay on CNN for one second.

00:35:19.120 Right before the weekend.

00:35:22.140 This came up.

00:35:23.360 They did an article.

00:35:24.600 I pulled it.

00:35:25.180 I didn't actually get to this, but I pulled this on.

00:35:29.080 And of course, you know, CNN is very much against the ICE cleanup of the illegal problem created

00:35:33.520 by Joe Biden.

00:35:34.420 They think ICE are the bad guys, not the illegals that Tom Homan is arresting and deporting.

00:35:39.420 And they did a piece ripping on the Kristi Noem and DHS and ICE.

00:35:46.400 And it is described as these are the community pillars being detained by ICE.

00:35:55.580 Well, I didn't get past the first pillar before my jaw dropped.

00:36:01.220 Andrew, Milton Guamariga, Guamarigra, is known to many in Port Chester, New York, as a family

00:36:09.440 man, says CNN, who made a living as a marble installer and a volunteer with a local fire

00:36:15.220 department.

00:36:16.040 But that life was ripped away from the man earlier this month when U.S.

00:36:20.060 Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers arrested him as he was leaving his home to

00:36:24.120 go to work.

00:36:24.980 He wanted to go to college and study IT.

00:36:27.640 He had worked for 20 years as a local marble installer.

00:36:31.900 He immigrated to the U.S. from Ecuador, but was uncertain how long ago.

00:36:36.100 OK, he immigrated illegally.

00:36:38.520 He was here illegally.

00:36:39.480 They make it sound like, you know, he came over, you know, right under the Statue of Liberty

00:36:43.280 with an invitation.

00:36:46.980 As it turns out, their pillar of the community was, DHS says, convicted not once, not twice,

00:36:53.740 but three times of DWI, not even DUI, which is a little less alcohol in your system.

00:37:00.580 But the full DWI, his criminal history, says DHS, includes three DWIs.

00:37:07.360 This serial drunk driver is a public safety threat to innocent Americans.

00:37:14.820 They like this is not a pillar.

00:37:17.620 This is what CNN wants us to believe is a pillar, Andrew.

00:37:20.260 And when you look at who wrote the story, and this is right on brand, the senior writer

00:37:26.140 for CNN's race and equality team, wrote it.

00:37:30.220 The person's name is Nikkel Terry Ellis.

00:37:32.480 It's a woman.

00:37:33.500 Per her bio on the website, she joined CNN in November 2020.

00:37:37.000 Much of her work focuses on the intersection.

00:37:39.640 Already, you know where we're going.

00:37:41.120 Just the use of that word.

00:37:43.140 Intersection of race and politics, education, health, equity, and the advancement of women

00:37:48.560 of color.

00:37:49.420 She served as national correspondent for USA Today, which is, that tells you a lot too,

00:37:53.300 covering race, inequality, and activism.

00:37:56.180 She led much of the newspaper's coverage of the deaths of Ahmaud Arbery, George Floyd,

00:38:01.180 and Rashard Brooks, and the BLM protests that erupted across America, and so on and so forth.

00:38:08.160 And this whole write-up is about how amazing all these illegals are that Tom Holman's getting

00:38:12.160 rid of these illegals who have committed other crimes because he's starting with the worst

00:38:15.360 first.

00:38:16.440 That's a pillar.

00:38:18.200 DWIs endangering your kids and mine, and God knows how many others.

00:38:22.420 But we're supposed to hold on to him, because I guess he then did some volunteer work for

00:38:25.940 the fire department.

00:38:28.260 You know, I'm very hard-boiled about this.

00:38:30.540 You cannot just open the borders and let people come flooding in, as they did.

00:38:34.900 I mean, they now think there may be as many as 20 million illegal people.

00:38:38.440 But then, as we deport them, tell me one story at a time.

00:38:42.340 Suddenly, I have to look at this mass of people came over, and I have to parse each one of them

00:38:46.640 and find out what his personal story is.

00:38:48.240 I want them all gone.

00:38:49.540 I want every illegal out of the country.

00:38:51.600 And I want them to self-deport, if possible.

00:38:54.300 I think that companies that hire them should be penalized.

00:38:57.400 I want them gone.

00:38:58.620 I want people—I—immigration is a great thing in this country.

00:39:03.200 It is part of this country.

00:39:04.360 And one of the things I love about this country, I love that it's a multi-ethnic country.

00:39:08.140 I am not one of these people who's afraid of black people coming over or anything like

00:39:12.080 that or some great replacement.

00:39:13.320 I don't care who is here, as long as they come in legally and want this country and love

00:39:17.800 this country.

00:39:18.380 If they are willing to assimilate and become Americans, they're okay with me.

00:39:21.960 That is my brother.

00:39:22.960 But the fact that you open the border and let these people come marching in completely unvetted,

00:39:27.720 and then when we go—when we want them to leave, you suddenly vet them.

00:39:31.340 No, I'm sorry.

00:39:32.620 That system doesn't work for me.

00:39:34.240 Because we're looking at England.

00:39:36.200 You know, this is one of the things—if you read about England in the left-wing press,

00:39:40.020 what's happening in England, it's like, oh, once again, it's, oh, these MAGA, these

00:39:44.040 horrible MAGA people are trying to make a big deal out of England as if, as if people

00:39:48.820 were being arrested for mean tweets but let go for rape.

00:39:52.420 That's what's happening in England.

00:39:53.860 And it's happening because they let all these people, mostly from Muslim countries, come

00:39:58.040 in, that they don't love Britain.

00:40:00.080 They don't love the West.

00:40:01.300 They want to transform Britain into a Muslim country.

00:40:03.600 They treat women like garbage.

00:40:05.460 They—and the women of Britain are now all unsafe, and they don't want us to notice that

00:40:10.360 that's what will happen here.

00:40:11.560 The only reason it hasn't happened here is we're a much, much bigger country and can

00:40:15.280 absorb more people.

00:40:16.900 Britain's the size of Oregon, so it's not going to be able to absorb the kinds of people

00:40:20.940 they—the numbers of people they've let in.

00:40:23.040 And so I'm just been hardened about this.

00:40:26.080 I just think, no, you let 20 million people come flooding in, I'm not going to look at each

00:40:30.140 one of them going out.

00:40:31.300 Get them out.

00:40:32.180 That's what I want.

00:40:33.200 I want people here legally.

00:40:34.540 Yeah.

00:40:34.660 On the subject of crime, Trump just got a favorable ruling from the Supreme Court on

00:40:41.020 the ICE raids out in California as we try to deport these illegals who are committing

00:40:47.000 other crimes as well.

00:40:48.520 So they had tried to stop it, and a lower court had ruled, well, you can't use—if you're

00:40:53.740 trying to, you know, find out where the illegals are, you can't consider their race.

00:40:58.720 You can't consider the fact that they don't speak English when you're trying to figure out

00:41:01.960 where to go find them.

00:41:02.680 You can't consider that they work as a day laborer in, like, construction or agriculture.

00:41:07.820 All of that is illegal to consider, which is just ridiculous.

00:41:12.700 And they've been overruled now by the U.S. Supreme Court, who has said—only Justice Kavanaugh

00:41:16.960 issued a concurring opinion.

00:41:18.680 It was an unsigned ruling.

00:41:20.980 But he offered some rationale saying, you know, you can consider all those things.

00:41:25.160 It can't be the only thing.

00:41:26.700 You can't be like, he's brown.

00:41:28.140 I therefore suspect he's an illegal.

00:41:29.880 But it can be part of the picture that you consider when coming to your conclusion.

00:41:34.440 So that's a ruling in favor of sanity.

00:41:36.820 And Trump now is starting illegal pickups in Illinois.

00:41:43.900 He has reportedly sent some faction of ICE to Chicago and the surrounding area, though

00:41:48.700 it's—we're just getting initial reports.

00:41:50.080 So that's different from sending the National Guard and even sending the National Guard in

00:41:53.980 support of ICE.

00:41:55.620 If—what Trump cannot do is send the National Guard, just period, to go keep crime down.

00:42:01.040 That he can't do without the invitation of a governor, which I've said.

00:42:04.340 I love it because Gavin Newsom repeated or retweeted me saying it, me saying that, and

00:42:08.800 I stand by what I said.

00:42:09.720 I'd love for Gavin Newsom to retweet the things I say about him.

00:42:12.520 If he's that bold and he really is into MK commentary, go for it.

00:42:15.900 Let's do that.

00:42:16.800 I had a lot of messages for you.

00:42:18.600 You should retweet some now that you really respect my opinion.

00:42:21.140 Um, okay, but on the subject of crime and Gavin Newsom, in San Jose, uh, on Friday, there

00:42:30.380 is surveillance video that we can show you of this car ramming into a jewelry store.

00:42:37.280 Nearly 20 masked suspects swarm this door and ransack it.

00:42:43.420 So you see the—for the listening audience, you see this car ram right through the glass

00:42:47.640 front of this store, and here come the people.

00:42:52.100 I mean, it's like a gang.

00:42:54.620 Most are dressed in dark colors.

00:42:56.900 They have masks on.

00:42:58.580 You see an elderly man behind the counter trying to defend himself.

00:43:03.800 He has absolutely no chance.

00:43:05.460 They shove him to the ground.

00:43:07.460 I mean, this is an 88-year-old.

00:43:10.480 We later find out.

00:43:11.360 It's an 88-year-old.

00:43:12.940 Uh, it's called San Jose—it's his San Jose jewelry store.

00:43:16.880 And this is 2 p.m. in the middle of the day.

00:43:19.440 So the man had a stroke as a result of all this.

00:43:22.840 He was terrified.

00:43:24.000 He was physically injured.

00:43:25.900 And you've got the San Jose Democratic mayor coming out to say, this is appalling.

00:43:31.360 Watching the senior get assaulted, made my blood boil.

00:43:33.700 These people need to face the harshest possible consequences for their actions.

00:43:37.100 And what did Gavin Newsom say?

00:43:39.760 Nothing.

00:43:41.160 Nothing.

00:43:42.300 We've seen him say absolutely nothing about it, Andrew.

00:43:44.600 He did write on X on Saturday,

00:43:47.240 the president of the United States is deploying the military into U.S. streets and using our

00:43:50.840 troops like political pawns.

00:43:52.020 Do not allow yourself to become numb to this.

00:43:55.000 And that was the day he was tweeting about me, too.

00:43:58.220 I'd love if he would tweet about the constituents in his own state and do something to try to

00:44:04.040 protect them as our elderly and still part of the greatest generation is getting knocked

00:44:09.560 to their, you know, off their feet, cause strokes, losing their life savings and their

00:44:14.620 life's work in the form of this jewelry store.

00:44:16.280 Like when you have 20 criminals masked bursting into your jewelry stores in the middle of the

00:44:23.200 day, you have a crime problem, Gavin.

00:44:25.420 You should be thrilled to receive President Trump's offer of help.

00:44:28.680 But instead, he's more worried about his political career.

00:44:31.560 You know, this is, first of all, obviously the jeweler should be prosecuted for putting

00:44:36.200 his store where those people were trying to drive.

00:44:38.220 I think that that would be California law, a perfect example of California law.

00:44:43.000 But, you know, this is another way that the left manipulates the culture in the most

00:44:47.720 minute possible way is by changing the language so that it doesn't represent the truth.

00:44:53.840 They use terms like racial profiling.

00:44:56.160 Racial profiling should be called police work.

00:44:58.420 One of the things that police have, which is what makes them so useful to us, is they

00:45:02.700 have experience.

00:45:03.700 They can look at a situation and say, you know, that guy over there is suspicious.

00:45:07.820 They may get it wrong, but they have to have the right to go over and question that guy.

00:45:11.580 I mean, this is how Giuliani and his police commissioners cleaned up the streets.

00:45:15.740 And the New York Times went on an absolute rampage against what they called stop and frisk,

00:45:20.720 which was stopping a guy who they thought had a gun because they said it wasn't fair to black

00:45:25.140 people, you know, I thought it wasn't fair to black people illegally carrying guns.

00:45:28.920 But, you know, you talk to cops and cops know when a guy is carrying a gun.

00:45:33.060 They can tell by the way his clothes hang.

00:45:34.620 They can tell by the way he walks.

00:45:36.220 They can tell by all kinds of things, including what the guy looks like, which would include

00:45:41.560 the color of his skin at times.

00:45:43.980 You know, this is the thing.

00:45:45.200 If you had an app on your phone that could read criminal intent, if I could hold it up

00:45:50.900 and it would show criminal intent, do you think the cop would be looking at the person?

00:45:54.220 Do you think he'd be looking at the color of his skin?

00:45:55.980 No, he'd be looking at the app.

00:45:57.260 He's just trying to keep people safe.

00:45:59.220 And he does that by using his experience, by using the fantastic app that is the human

00:46:03.820 mind and seeing where the crime is.

00:46:06.680 By crippling the police and then going on to cripple the public by saying you cannot see

00:46:13.400 what is happening in front of your eyes, you are handing over our cities to these criminals.

00:46:18.520 And I have to say about Trump, I agree with you that Trump should not just go randomly

00:46:23.360 sending the army into cities that, you know, I believe very strongly in federalism.

00:46:29.340 I believe very strongly in local government.

00:46:31.120 However, he's a very clever politician.

00:46:34.460 And by sending ICE in there and having the city start to interfere with federal agents,

00:46:39.940 he then acquires the right to send in the National Guard.

00:46:44.000 On top of which, by having the left, by having the leftist mayors of these high crime cities

00:46:49.380 saying, no, no, no, we don't want soldiers coming in and cleaning up our streets like they

00:46:53.760 did in the federal city of Washington, D.C.

00:46:56.520 He's just showing you who the left is.

00:46:58.980 The left is for the criminal over the victim.

00:47:02.160 They are.

00:47:02.780 That is just a fact.

00:47:03.920 They support the criminal over the victim.

00:47:06.020 They talk about due process.

00:47:07.420 They don't give a rats about due process.

00:47:09.420 If they did, they wouldn't have prosecuted Donald Trump for all the things they prosecuted him

00:47:13.160 for, they do not care about due process.

00:47:15.660 They think the criminal has a point.

00:47:17.960 They think he's making a statement.

00:47:19.840 And when they talk about root causes of crime, and there is only one root cause of crime,

00:47:24.980 which is the human heart.

00:47:26.000 But when they talk about root causes of crime, what they're doing is they're convicting the

00:47:29.900 society.

00:47:30.620 And they're saying that the society is to blame for the criminals who are beleaguering it and

00:47:35.220 hurting it.

00:47:35.720 So every single person who gets attacked and arrested is basically an example of the society

00:47:42.500 where every criminal who does the crime is an example of the victim of society.

00:47:47.780 Listen, no society is perfect.

00:47:49.240 The fact that we have to say that means there are too many children walking around masquerading

00:47:53.400 as adult.

00:47:53.960 Of course, no society is perfect.

00:47:55.740 But a society that stands up for victims is better than a society that stands up for criminals.

00:48:00.220 I'm in favor, obviously, of paying attention to due process.

00:48:03.340 But that's not a suicide pact.

00:48:04.800 That doesn't mean we let people run rampage and beat up old people and rob their stores.

00:48:10.340 Criminals should be punished as if they were criminals because they are.

00:48:13.780 Let me get to this, because this ties it all together.

00:48:15.920 Both the immigration love on the left and the dishonest media and crime.

00:48:22.960 Kristi Noem went on Face the Nation over the weekend to talk about Kilmar Abrego Garcia,

00:48:29.680 who the left absolutely loves.

00:48:31.700 This is the so-called Maryland man, Maryland man, Maryland dad.

00:48:34.800 Who's allegedly been beating his wife, according to her, and is accused of trafficking, a bunch

00:48:41.280 of illegals.

00:48:42.340 Kristi Noem's got a laundry list of crimes this guy has allegedly committed, and we just

00:48:46.040 want to deport him.

00:48:46.880 I mean, we'll prosecute him, put him in our jail eventually if he doesn't want to go.

00:48:50.820 But he's going to go one way or the other.

00:48:53.140 He's already been deported.

00:48:54.000 They already deported him years ago saying, get out.

00:48:56.560 The only place you can't send him to is El Salvador.

00:48:58.580 That's his only leg to stand on, because originally we sent him to El Salvador.

00:49:02.180 Anyway, she goes on CBS Face the Nation, and here is what aired, SOP 20.

00:49:07.480 If he broke the law in this country, as the administration alleges, shouldn't he be held

00:49:14.260 here and face charges here instead of being deported?

00:49:19.420 Well, prosecution decisions are always made by the Department of Justice and Pam Fondy's

00:49:24.580 department.

00:49:25.260 So we will let them do that.

00:49:26.900 Although this individual does have criminal charges pending, he has charges pending against

00:49:32.440 him civilly as well, and the one thing that we will continue to do is to make sure that

00:49:37.440 he doesn't walk free in the United States of America.

00:49:41.340 Okay, here's what she actually said.

00:49:44.180 Listen to this.

00:49:45.200 This individual was a known human smuggler, MS-13 gang member, an individual who was a wife

00:49:51.480 beater, and someone who was so perverted that he solicited nude photos from minors, and even

00:49:58.500 his fellow human traffickers told him to knock it off.

00:50:01.200 He was so sick in what he was doing and how he was treating small children.

00:50:04.980 So he needs to never be in the United States of America, and our administration is making

00:50:09.840 sure we're doing all that we can to bring him to justice.

00:50:13.140 So that's CBS News whitewashing the allegations about a criminal defendant from the Secretary

00:50:20.300 of the Department of Homeland Security.

00:50:22.400 The same organization, well, the media in general, that wants you to believe the pillars of our

00:50:27.840 society are being deported, guys with three DWIs under their belt.

00:50:31.760 Andrew, it's shameful, and it's truly, actively, dangerously misleading.

00:50:37.800 People, they didn't hear her.

00:50:40.060 People reading CNN think pillar, and they don't know about the three DWIs, et cetera, necessarily.

00:50:45.260 So your thoughts on the CBS machination there?

00:50:49.100 The most amazing part of that is that human traffickers, he was too mean and ugly and sinful

00:50:54.100 for human traffickers.

00:50:55.240 I mean, I thought that that kind of stood out for me.

00:50:57.900 When you're being criticized morally by human traffickers, you may, in fact, be a bad guy.

00:51:03.740 And right, they can't put that in because that shows who they're supporting, and it shows

00:51:07.680 the underlying fallacy.

00:51:09.600 I mean, look, these guys never say a nice word about any Republican, about Donald Trump, about

00:51:15.140 anybody on the right side, but they got plenty of nice things to say about human traffickers

00:51:19.920 and child molesters and criminals.

00:51:21.980 It's, yeah, well, it's sickening.

00:51:23.440 We'll finish it on the opposite end.

00:51:24.640 I got to take a quick break.

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00:54:12.500 Now, I wanted to round back just on the political angle of the situation down in Charlotte, because

00:54:20.580 there is one.

00:54:22.040 And, you know, CNN wants to report it.

00:54:24.300 And the New York Times, when they finally got around to writing an article about this

00:54:27.100 murder, made it all about, oh, how the MAGA Republicans are seizing an opportunity.

00:54:31.680 Like, they're seizing an opportunity on crime.

00:54:33.680 As opposed to, this is a terrible crime, and it's happening in too many places.

00:54:38.580 I mean, there's a report just out today about this professor at Auburn University who was

00:54:43.040 stabbed to death.

00:54:44.140 Yes, once again, it was a white woman killed by a black man.

00:54:47.040 It's not everywhere it would be if the races were reversed.

00:54:50.940 So, I mean, it's actually a problem, these crimes, as opposed to MAGA Republicans seizing

00:54:55.780 opportunities.

00:54:56.340 But here's what Trump posted on Truth Social about what happened in Charlotte.

00:55:02.780 The blood of this innocent woman can literally be seen dripping from the killer's knife.

00:55:06.600 And now her blood is on the hands of the Democrats who refuse to put bad people in jail, including

00:55:10.840 former disgraced governor and wannabe senator Roy Cooper.

00:55:15.800 Now, Roy Cooper was the former Democratic senator of North Carolina, replaced by the current

00:55:22.360 Democratic governor of North Carolina, Josh Stein.

00:55:25.380 And Josh Stein is out there acting like he has absolutely nothing to do with North Carolina.

00:55:33.280 I mean, he's the governor.

00:55:35.080 And his predecessor had similar policies to his.

00:55:38.960 I'll just read you part of what Josh Stein tweeted out.

00:55:42.080 I'm heartbroken for the family of Irina Zarytska, who lost their loved one to this senseless act

00:55:47.400 of violence, and I'm appalled by the footage of her murder.

00:55:51.000 We need more cops on the beat to keep people safe.

00:55:55.380 That's why my budget calls for more funding to hire more well-trained police officers.

00:55:58.960 I call on the legislature to pass my law, et cetera.

00:56:01.940 Let me just read you a couple of the responses.

00:56:03.900 Megan Basham, who works where you work, over at the Daily Wire, a great reporter, and she

00:56:07.840 lives in Charlotte, responded as follows.

00:56:10.760 Governor, your task force for racial equity in criminal justice specifically called for

00:56:15.340 increasing pretrial release and decriminalizing public behavior.

00:56:20.380 That's a term of art here, meaning homelessness and being a public nuisance.

00:56:24.600 Both of these policies contributed to the defendant here, DeCarlo Brown, being on the streets and

00:56:29.720 having the opportunity to commit murder on the Charlotte light rail.

00:56:33.180 Are you going to roll back these policies that your racial task force initiated that are making

00:56:38.300 North Carolinians unsafe?

00:56:40.760 Here's Will Chamberlain from the Article 3 Project.

00:56:43.620 He's been on the show multiple times.

00:56:44.820 What on earth are you talking about, Governor?

00:56:47.000 DeCarlos Brown was arrested 14 times.

00:56:49.600 The police did their job.

00:56:51.720 It's your job to sign into law bills that keep career criminals in jail.

00:56:57.500 He was also, Josh Stein, attorney general of North Carolina when this defendant was arrested

00:57:05.040 and turned out by the criminal justice system 14 times.

00:57:09.400 So no one in power in North Carolina is going to take responsibility for what happened to

00:57:15.900 this guy.

00:57:16.300 And I'm not going to let the police off the hook either, because while the cops right now

00:57:19.660 are being very critical of the governor, the mayor in particular, who seems like an absolute

00:57:24.900 fool, here's what the police chief of Mecklenburg County, that's where Charlotte is in North

00:57:32.660 Carolina, said in 2020.

00:57:34.180 His name is Johnny Jennings and said, quote, law enforcement in general is based on racism.

00:57:39.400 And that their department can, quote, probably slow down on discretionary arrests.

00:57:46.080 And this is what's been happening in Mecklenburg County.

00:57:48.420 Their criminal justice services has received millions of dollars to implement no cash bail,

00:57:55.520 to decrease jail populations in an effort to address inequities.

00:57:59.560 They've hired equity and inclusion consultants to address racial disparities at all levels of

00:58:06.680 the justice system.

00:58:08.480 And in 2020, the Charlotte City Council launched an initiative to reimagine policing, including

00:58:15.180 diverting 911 calls away from the police department.

00:58:18.500 I mean, this like it's really rich now to hear people like the governor, former attorney

00:58:25.400 general, talk about how we need more cops.

00:58:27.300 We can have all the cops in the world.

00:58:28.900 Trump could send the entire Marines in there.

00:58:31.000 But if the system, including the judges, we went over that yesterday, just send them right

00:58:36.180 back out, no bail, no consequences, no penalties of any kind.

00:58:42.340 We're not going to solve crime.

00:58:43.240 We're going to have more arenas get killed on the light rail system for no reason.

00:58:48.820 You know, to my mind, one of the proofs of the Christian doctrine of original sin is that

00:58:53.760 people feel so sinful inside, they will do almost anything to prove their virtue.

00:58:58.300 And one of the things they will do is they will live in a city that could be beautiful,

00:59:02.020 that could be safe and watch it just decline into chaos and filth and crime because somebody

00:59:09.880 told them that that was the virtuous thing to do.

00:59:12.140 It is not the virtuous thing to do.

00:59:14.100 It is not kind to be good to criminals so that they can prey on ordinary citizens.

00:59:19.240 It is a bad thing.

00:59:20.560 And then it's as if people don't understand that crime goes up because of policy.

00:59:24.680 That's what that is, what it is.

00:59:25.840 It's political policy that makes your city crash.

00:59:28.600 OK, it's not it's not because some people are black and some people are white.

00:59:31.900 It's because of the policies that are put in place.

00:59:34.060 And then when things go wrong, they blame the police.

00:59:37.440 And here's the thing that drives me crazy about this.

00:59:39.620 You know, I worked in Hollywood for several years.

00:59:41.960 And in Hollywood, if you have never done a nice thing for anybody, if you don't even

00:59:47.000 call your mother on Sunday, but you pretend to be a cop on television, you can make $250,000

00:59:53.440 a week.

00:59:54.500 You can make a quarter of a million dollars a week.

00:59:57.200 Real police who are actually doing the work of keeping people safe and risking their lives.

01:00:01.660 They get paid considerably less, if you ask them, than $250,000 a week.

01:00:07.260 Police are there to clean up the mess that politicians make.

01:00:10.960 And then politicians blame the cops for the mess.

01:00:13.880 And the press, like a poodle chasing after a red rubber dog, runs off after that.

01:00:19.760 I mean, reporters are supposed to be cynical.

01:00:21.880 When a politician points at a cop and says, oh, it's his fault he's arresting black people,

01:00:25.900 the reporter should immediately look to the end of that finger, to the end of the arm

01:00:30.380 and to the face that's pointing the finger, because that's the guy to blame.

01:00:33.820 And this is the thing.

01:00:34.420 The buck stops with you, sir.

01:00:35.460 The buck stops with the people who make the policies.

01:00:38.380 And it's, you know, the poor cops are the last guy.

01:00:41.480 They're the last person on the totem pole.

01:00:43.320 You know, the policies were made up here.

01:00:45.120 It filters down and it becomes a punishing experience to live in a city because of those

01:00:49.940 policies.

01:00:50.340 And then they blame the cops.

01:00:51.960 And it happens again and again.

01:00:53.780 And it's just awful because we, you know, our police, they're the thin blue line.

01:00:59.940 They're the people who keep civilization, civilization.

01:01:03.160 You know, this is just something that is, it's just appalling to me that people blame

01:01:07.380 soldiers, they blame cops for the things that politicians do.

01:01:11.100 And politicians could not be happier because they don't want to lose their jobs.

01:01:15.440 But that's what's happening.

01:01:16.540 That's why a city becomes unsafe.

01:01:18.180 It becomes unsafe because of the policies.

01:01:20.400 And yeah, the governor can point to the mayor.

01:01:22.600 I think that's fair.

01:01:23.660 But the mayor can also point to the governor because he has a lot to do with what gets

01:01:27.300 funded and what doesn't.

01:01:28.500 So these are the people who should be held responsible.

01:01:30.700 If you are walking out in your city and you are afraid, it's the responsibility of the politicians

01:01:36.100 running that city.

01:01:37.220 And it's the responsibility of the party of the politicians because they are dictating

01:01:41.020 some of the policies.

01:01:42.340 And, you know, listen, I watched New York go down the drain because nobody would vote for

01:01:46.700 a Republican.

01:01:47.160 I saw San Francisco go down the drain because nobody would vote for a Republican because

01:01:51.160 the Democrats had convinced them that it was not a virtuous thing to do to vote for a Republican.

01:01:55.480 The minute they voted for Giuliani, as the New York Times cursed him every single day,

01:02:00.440 he transformed a hellhole into a paradise.

01:02:03.800 And that can be done through policy.

01:02:06.000 It's amazing what policy can accomplish.

01:02:07.980 Let's go, North Carolina.

01:02:09.500 You have a lot of roots in being a red state.

01:02:12.900 If you would get back to that, you would be safer.

01:02:15.880 I mean, it's just by the way, the New York Times, I pulled it up.

01:02:19.000 Here's the headline when they finally got around to reporting it.

01:02:21.720 A gruesome murder in North Carolina ignites a firestorm on the right.

01:02:26.960 That's that's the story.

01:02:28.720 Republicans pounce.

01:02:29.300 Republicans.

01:02:29.800 Yeah, Republicans pounce.

01:02:30.900 Security footage capturing the unprovoked stabbing in Charlotte became an accelerant for conservative

01:02:36.320 arguments about the perceived failings of Democratic policies.

01:02:41.060 It's really unbelievable.

01:02:42.920 I mean, it's like you can't you couldn't ask for better on on their headlines.

01:02:47.240 And for what it's worth, though, I will say that the police union in Charlotte is doing

01:02:52.320 a great job and they are sparing no one, especially not that mayor, saying if you would just look

01:02:57.540 at anything we've been begging you to do over the past couple of years, this might not have

01:03:01.360 happened.

01:03:01.820 Like, please spare us on the oh, we have to address root cause discussion right now.

01:03:06.600 So off.

01:03:07.320 All right.

01:03:07.480 Let's keep going because I've got to get to the Piers Morgan thing.

01:03:11.000 So he had he had on someone describing themselves as a journalist named Lori Penny.

01:03:15.920 And it was a panel involving the trans issue and the whole gender confusion.

01:03:20.000 And he's got another panelist on there who is a male to female trans person.

01:03:24.320 And then he's got this Lori Penny who describes, I think, herself as non-binary.

01:03:30.220 And Piers did something so, so simple and seemingly so obvious, but like that you never

01:03:37.000 see done, which was to turn to this person and say, what does that mean?

01:03:42.300 And here's a sampling.

01:03:43.480 I wish I could play you the whole segment, but we'd be here all day.

01:03:46.340 Here's a sampling of what happened next.

01:03:48.440 The actual point of free speech is you have to tolerate and allow people to say things

01:03:55.060 you don't like.

01:03:56.180 That is the point of free speech.

01:03:57.320 100%.

01:03:57.660 Unless you're actually inciting a crime.

01:04:01.080 And nobody could have read that Grand Lennon tweet and not thought he was just cracking

01:04:04.740 a rather crass joke.

01:04:06.180 I thought about Grand Lineham.

01:04:07.440 No.

01:04:07.880 If anything, Blair's a trans woman.

01:04:10.340 Why don't we let her answer?

01:04:11.560 I'm also a transgender person.

01:04:12.460 I know.

01:04:14.980 Go ahead.

01:04:16.460 I'm also a transgender person.

01:04:17.440 Which trans are you, if you don't mind me asking?

01:04:18.480 I'm non-binary.

01:04:19.300 I'm just curious what you mean by non-binary.

01:04:21.360 What does that mean?

01:04:21.940 I'm curious.

01:04:22.780 Well, firstly...

01:04:23.560 What are your pronouns?

01:04:24.480 They, them.

01:04:25.120 What does that mean?

01:04:25.760 There's only one of you.

01:04:26.520 What does they, them...

01:04:28.000 Actually, they, them has been...

01:04:30.140 The collective they has been used to refer to individual people for centuries and still

01:04:35.060 is.

01:04:35.680 So, I mean, if you don't understand basic grammar, that's on you.

01:04:38.620 I think you do.

01:04:39.680 I don't understand.

01:04:40.420 I've got to be honest with you.

01:04:41.020 I don't understand the concept of what non-binary means or why you would use a plural pronoun

01:04:46.760 to describe a singular person.

01:04:48.640 To me, this is the problem with the whole woke thing.

01:04:52.340 It's inexplicable.

01:04:53.780 Nobody really knows what it means.

01:04:55.640 I don't know what you mean by non-binary, they, them.

01:04:57.760 There's one of you sitting here and you look to me female.

01:05:00.700 You're a female?

01:05:02.000 Okay.

01:05:02.540 Are you a female?

01:05:03.020 If you don't understand what non-binary means...

01:05:04.960 Are you a female?

01:05:05.620 If you don't understand what non-binary means...

01:05:07.460 I don't.

01:05:07.920 Then I'm not sure you're in a position to lead a debate.

01:05:11.520 So just tell me.

01:05:12.580 I'm sorry.

01:05:13.000 But if you can't explain it in simple language, then what's the point?

01:05:17.480 Well, explain what non-binary is.

01:05:18.520 Because I can tell you exactly what being a transsexual is.

01:05:20.120 It means that my gender identity is something other than a man or woman.

01:05:24.200 I'm a non-binary individual.

01:05:25.260 But you accept you're a female?

01:05:26.100 I don't think that I'm here to discuss the contents of my...

01:05:31.200 You raised this whole thing.

01:05:33.320 I didn't mention anything about what you were.

01:05:36.280 You did.

01:05:37.040 You said, I'm trans.

01:05:38.240 This has really become uncomfortably personal.

01:05:40.580 Has it?

01:05:41.000 You said it, not me.

01:05:43.180 If you think this is uncomfortably personal, try undressing in a locker room with a six-foot-four

01:05:47.560 naked man.

01:05:49.080 Riley Gaines at the end there.

01:05:50.860 It was amazing.

01:05:51.960 It went on.

01:05:52.800 Piers was so good.

01:05:53.800 Like, just, what is it?

01:05:55.440 What is...

01:05:55.880 I really doubt that this person even knows what it is.

01:05:58.400 Because why was she so reluctant to define it?

01:06:02.480 Well, first of all, that's like the third time I've watched that video.

01:06:05.660 It's still cracking me up.

01:06:06.800 It is amazing.

01:06:07.860 It was one of Piers Morgan's greatest moments.

01:06:10.100 But of course, this entire thing is an induced mental illness.

01:06:14.580 That's what makes it so painful, you know?

01:06:16.160 We pick on the trans people.

01:06:18.220 And transgenderism is, in fact, a violent movement.

01:06:20.760 I mean, if you work with my friend Matt Walsh,

01:06:23.460 you know how much security he has to have for standing up against them.

01:06:27.300 It is a violent movement because it's a non-real movement.

01:06:29.860 It's a movement against reality.

01:06:31.480 And reality has a way of dominating the culture.

01:06:33.900 And so, ultimately, you're going to have to fight if you don't want to live under reality.

01:06:37.940 But the fact of it is, it's induced.

01:06:40.620 It is induced by the left on mostly gay young people who don't know who they are.

01:06:47.280 And they're confused and they're worried and they're afraid.

01:06:49.840 And the left comes and tells them this lie and tells them, like Satan tells people,

01:06:54.080 it tells them it's going to make them feel better.

01:06:55.800 And it's going to make them stronger to accept this lie instead of living in reality.

01:06:59.920 And then we wind up blaming, again, we blame the transgender person.

01:07:03.060 Sometimes they're to blame for the things that they do.

01:07:05.100 They are responsible for themselves.

01:07:06.620 But I think we've got to clean these people out of our schools.

01:07:09.300 We've got to clean them out of our academies.

01:07:10.760 We've got to clean them out of polite society because you don't have the right to go around

01:07:14.980 telling people that they should be crazy.

01:07:17.440 You know, it's essentially like going on and telling people that everything's a conspiracy.

01:07:22.260 You know, it's like you can do it.

01:07:23.580 You have the free speech right to do it, but you don't deserve any respect.

01:07:26.800 And if you get sued for lying and lose, you should pay up.

01:07:30.740 And I think that that's who these people are.

01:07:33.280 I mean, I've read some of these books about transgenderism to sort of get what they're

01:07:36.880 talking about.

01:07:37.560 And they're just not true.

01:07:39.340 They're just like telling people that the world is not what it is.

01:07:43.660 So I'm not surprised that this person identifies as something they can't even define.

01:07:48.160 And the kind of self-righteous attitude they took, like, how dare you ask me what I mean

01:07:54.280 when I say something, sir?

01:07:56.020 You know, how dare you?

01:07:57.100 It's comical, but it's comical in the context of this greater tragedy of people talking confused

01:08:05.040 young people into madness.

01:08:06.880 And an induced mental illness is a truly evil thing.

01:08:10.580 It means somebody has done an evil thing.

01:08:12.620 It's really amazing.

01:08:13.700 It's like just something to behold.

01:08:16.200 Just what is it?

01:08:17.140 What does it mean?

01:08:18.100 You've adopted it.

01:08:18.920 You're living your whole life by it.

01:08:20.500 You say it's your identity.

01:08:22.140 Please explain it to me.

01:08:23.260 And the absolute reluctance.

01:08:24.580 And the only reason that would explain the reluctance is she doesn't know.

01:08:28.920 She's too dumb to understand.

01:08:30.540 That seemed obvious.

01:08:31.580 Like, I think there's a world in which you could find somebody using that term where they

01:08:35.820 would have a definition at the ready for you.

01:08:38.300 She didn't know.

01:08:39.280 She glommed on to some exciting, exotic term of the day to sound more interesting than she

01:08:45.280 really is.

01:08:46.080 And then when pressed, she resorted to, you're offensive.

01:08:49.880 So she, like, peers was offensive for asking her what that means.

01:08:54.980 I'm not familiar with that and pretending she was being personally attacked by simply a

01:09:00.300 question.

01:09:00.620 What is that thing that you say or is it actually just a thing of beauty?

01:09:04.060 They were talking about Graham Linnon, who's an Irish citizen, was living in the UK.

01:09:09.540 Now he lives in Arizona, who was on this show yesterday in his first exclusive on-camera

01:09:13.380 interview about his ridiculous arrest for three totally benign anodyne ex-posts on the

01:09:22.820 trans issue.

01:09:24.120 For those of you who missed it, we have a little on what it's done to his life.

01:09:30.840 Let's play that one, Sot 8, his activism.

01:09:32.900 You not only did not have your colleagues stand by you, you lost your marriage.

01:09:38.920 Your health went downhill.

01:09:41.180 I mean, I don't want to skip right over that because when you invite this kind of stress

01:09:46.700 and harassment, and I do use that word harassment as a legal matter.

01:09:50.680 You've been legally harassed by these trans activists.

01:09:54.880 It comes at a physical and personal cost that people too frequently gloss by.

01:10:00.600 Can you speak to it a bit?

01:10:03.120 Well, yeah.

01:10:04.020 I mean, the person I mentioned earlier, the sex offender, he released my home address online

01:10:10.400 when I was still at the family home, which absolutely terrified my wife.

01:10:15.860 As the writer of Father Ted, I was fairly well liked, so neither of us thought we had to

01:10:20.360 be careful with our online footprint.

01:10:23.980 But of course, when it flipped and I became public enemy number one, all the things that

01:10:29.340 we put online were kind of rifled through by trans activists for anything they could use

01:10:35.820 against me.

01:10:36.360 I've been visited by the police, I think, three times now, not including the arrest.

01:10:41.540 What?

01:10:41.720 Yeah, oh yeah.

01:10:43.780 They came to my home.

01:10:44.860 It's just constant.

01:10:45.900 I'm never not on edge in the country I moved to.

01:10:52.000 And sadly, Andrew, it's not just his country.

01:10:54.640 I mean, we have now seen trans violence in mass shooting after mass shooting, a fact that

01:11:02.340 the mainstream media will not report and would like buried.

01:11:05.060 And I had Matt Walsh on last week after the shooting in Minneapolis, and we had a very

01:11:11.720 frank discussion about where this is going and why no one will pay any attention to it.

01:11:17.800 So what do you think is likely to happen now?

01:11:20.440 Because I think the trans activists are on their heels.

01:11:23.200 Their power's gone down.

01:11:25.200 People are returning to sanity.

01:11:27.080 But we still have, unfortunately, for example, the Supreme Court ruling in Bostock saying it's

01:11:31.540 discriminatory to not hire somebody who says they're trans.

01:11:35.000 And this is really disturbing.

01:11:35.960 Like, if you're running a school and you have somebody who says they're trans applying to

01:11:40.140 you and you decide to reject them, you get a high likelihood of being sued by them claiming

01:11:45.260 that it's because they're trans.

01:11:46.580 Like, you have some sort of a duty to hire trans people.

01:11:49.500 And why would you when you see these statistics and you see Graham's story and you understand

01:11:55.840 that just anecdotally, what you said about Matt Walsh and the amount of security he needs

01:12:00.020 just to go from A to B?

01:12:01.460 Like, I'm deeply disturbed by this.

01:12:04.580 And I really, really hope the Supreme Court revisits Bostock.

01:12:07.540 But what do you see happening over the next year or two on this front?

01:12:10.820 Well, first of all, that was Neil Gorsuch's lowest moment, because, of course, if you're an

01:12:14.840 originalist, you cannot believe that when people write about men and women and when they

01:12:18.200 write about sex, they don't know what sex is.

01:12:20.680 And again, going back to a previous point I made, clothing is a language.

01:12:24.180 It's a language that we speak to one another.

01:12:26.140 And there's a reason the Bible forbids people to cross dress.

01:12:29.860 I mean, it's because we believe that there's such a thing as men and women.

01:12:33.220 And you should be able to dress in in some style that indicates what you are.

01:12:38.240 Here's what I think will happen.

01:12:39.900 You know, I always say reality has a voice.

01:12:41.960 Reality has a vote.

01:12:43.060 So you can vote for transgender people in the Supreme Court can vote for transgender people,

01:12:47.340 but they don't really actually exist.

01:12:49.240 You cannot move from one gender to another.

01:12:52.820 There may be people who are there's a very, very vanishingly small number of people who

01:12:57.600 are more comfortable living as if they were the opposite sex.

01:13:01.360 You know, God love them as long as they don't insist that I call them anything or that as long

01:13:05.800 as they don't go in to the wrong restroom and bother people, you know, fine.

01:13:10.880 But for the rest of these people, these are people who have been induced.

01:13:15.280 They have induced mental illness.

01:13:17.380 But eventually reality will come back.

01:13:19.860 People will understand that their children should not be told these things.

01:13:24.060 They should be corrected.

01:13:25.440 If somebody is gay, they let them be gay, but they're not going to, that doesn't change their

01:13:29.400 sex.

01:13:29.760 They're going to be who they are.

01:13:31.000 All of those things are going to come back.

01:13:32.300 And ultimately, there just won't be enough of them to have the kind of political weight

01:13:36.620 that they have had.

01:13:37.720 And I think that what will happen here is-

01:13:39.480 You're going to have to undo the laws state by state, though, right?

01:13:41.600 Yes, you're going to have to undo the laws.

01:13:42.480 Because while we were quiet, they got all the blue states to change their laws when it

01:13:46.540 comes to the educational front and what a teacher's allowed to do and the secrets being

01:13:49.960 kept from parents and so on.

01:13:51.720 This is why you always have to speak up.

01:13:54.280 This is why courage is required.

01:13:55.800 And this is why courage, you know, courage is not a virtue in itself, but it's the bedrock

01:13:59.580 of all other virtues.

01:14:00.680 In this country, we have allowed the left to silence us using our politeness, using our

01:14:06.180 good manners to tell us that we were evil if we noticed that crime is high in black

01:14:10.540 neighborhoods, or if we noticed that, you know, gay people maybe are not as good for

01:14:15.560 raising children as a straight married couple.

01:14:18.100 All of these things we were told were impolite and were unvirtuous.

01:14:21.040 And as I said before, people are desperate, desperate to appear virtuous to one another because

01:14:25.280 we all know that we're sort of broken inside.

01:14:27.060 And I think we have let them use that mechanism, and now it's time to make them stop.

01:14:31.160 And I think we're just going to have to put up with the media calling us names and telling

01:14:35.680 us what we are.

01:14:36.360 You know, I lived in England for many years, most of the 90s I lived in England.

01:14:39.780 In the first dinner party I was in England, somebody turned to me and said, what is it

01:14:44.520 with you Americans, in one of those plummy British accents that make you feel unintelligent,

01:14:49.340 said, what is it with you Americans that you had to write down your constitution?

01:14:53.260 I said, it's so we don't forget, you know.

01:14:55.780 And I think the problem in Britain is they are such a long history.

01:14:59.960 Yeah, exactly.

01:15:01.160 Such a long history of knowing what freedom is in their bodies, that they preserved freedom

01:15:06.240 even in times that are difficult.

01:15:07.900 Now they've forgotten.

01:15:08.920 And I bet they're sorry, a lot of them, that they don't have a First Amendment because

01:15:12.880 they have forgotten completely what free speech is and that the author of Father Ted, a truly

01:15:17.180 hilarious situation comedy, should be arrested for tweets while rapists are set free in Britain.

01:15:24.760 And it's just, it makes me worry that the country's not going to survive.

01:15:28.780 It makes me worry that, you know, it's not going to be here when my children get to be

01:15:33.460 my age.

01:15:34.020 There's not going to be a Great Britain.

01:15:35.680 I know.

01:15:36.180 I have the same thought and same about a lot of Europe.

01:15:39.320 I mean, Germany was shadow of its former self.

01:15:41.880 It's happening in France too.

01:15:42.900 OK, last but not least, I want to get to the update on Cracker Barrel, which had this woke

01:15:49.120 explosion and decided to change its logo.

01:15:52.040 They decided the little guy, the like old timey guy who was part of the logo needed to

01:15:56.280 go and the barrel needed to go.

01:15:59.080 And now there was no barrel.

01:16:00.000 And it just said the words Cracker Barrel.

01:16:01.800 And there was a revolt and they started redoing all the restaurants in a way that completely

01:16:06.080 sanitized them, made them totally antiseptic, like you were going to perform a surgery in

01:16:10.320 there as opposed to go with your family for a good home-cooked kind of meal.

01:16:14.860 And we had the CEO, a very annoying, obviously leftist woman with the huge glasses, and she's

01:16:20.840 just totally on brand when you look at her.

01:16:22.780 Her name is Julia Fels-Masino, trying to sell us the lie when she was trying to do like damage

01:16:29.000 control and push her newness, that everybody loved the redesign.

01:16:33.800 OK, so they were forced, thanks to the right wing and President Trump, into reversing the

01:16:39.980 logo decision because the country rose up and said, we don't want this.

01:16:45.020 No one wants this.

01:16:46.000 Even some of the left said, we don't want this.

01:16:48.200 So they were forced to reverse it and go back to the old logo.

01:16:50.740 But they were continuing with the redesign.

01:16:52.860 And here is, this is from August 19th, that the CEO talking about, the redesign is super

01:16:59.580 popular.

01:17:00.580 Watch this, Stop 24.

01:17:02.540 A lot of restaurants are leaning and going back to nostalgia, things that the customers

01:17:06.260 are really comfortable with.

01:17:07.060 We never left it.

01:17:07.760 Yeah, you never left it, but you're changing up.

01:17:10.240 You're kind of going a different direction.

01:17:12.340 Why is that your strategy?

01:17:13.560 Yeah, because people, the Cracker Barrel needs to feel like the Cracker Barrel for today

01:17:17.980 and for tomorrow.

01:17:18.940 And again, the things that you love are still there.

01:17:21.420 We need people to choose us and we want people to choose us because people love this brand.

01:17:25.620 What if all the customers are coming at you hard enough about the look of the restaurant

01:17:31.040 and they want to go back to the old way?

01:17:32.840 Would you do it?

01:17:33.520 Honestly, the feedback's been overwhelmingly positive that people like what we're doing.

01:17:38.040 Yeah, people love it.

01:17:40.500 They love it.

01:17:41.680 And yet today, at 10.36 this morning, we get the following announcement from Cracker Barrel.

01:17:46.780 You've shared your voices in recent weeks, not just on our logo, but also on our restaurants.

01:17:51.100 We're continuing to listen.

01:17:52.980 Today, we are suspending our remodels.

01:17:55.740 If your restaurant has not been remodeled, you don't need to worry.

01:18:00.420 It won't be.

01:18:01.420 Wait, what do you mean?

01:18:02.740 Julie, you told me everybody wants to be remodeled.

01:18:05.880 You said that's a number one request you're getting.

01:18:08.120 They want the remodel.

01:18:09.600 Now it's, if your restaurant hasn't already been remodeled, you don't need to worry.

01:18:14.620 It won't be.

01:18:16.040 With our recent announcement that our old timer logo will remain,

01:18:19.160 along with our bigger focus in the kitchen and on your plate,

01:18:21.260 we hope today's step reinforces that we hear you.

01:18:24.160 Okay, this has been such an amazing public beatdown

01:18:27.420 that has completely brought Cracker Barrel to its knees.

01:18:30.340 I love every minute of it.

01:18:31.760 I'll say this.

01:18:33.440 Robbie Starbuck, who's great.

01:18:35.280 He's, like, very important.

01:18:36.880 He's, like, of the Chris Ruffo, like, level of importance in fighting wokeness

01:18:40.780 in our American corporations.

01:18:42.380 He interviewed the original Cracker Barrel co-founder, Tommy Lowe,

01:18:46.120 who's an elderly man, on what this board has been doing at Cracker Barrel.

01:18:50.700 And here's a bit of that from Robbie's show on Monday, SOT 25.

01:18:55.020 Before they hired the CEO, we've got now,

01:18:58.760 they had board members that were from big corporations that owned stock.

01:19:05.440 And they appointed one of those members of theirs on the Cracker Barrel board,

01:19:12.580 and that complied the board.

01:19:14.760 But they didn't have any idea what Cracker Barrel was.

01:19:17.900 They still don't.

01:19:18.900 Yeah.

01:19:19.800 And evidently, they just, yes, people that are taking orders from somebody,

01:19:27.740 and they don't know.

01:19:29.780 And obviously, the lady that's CEO doesn't know.

01:19:35.120 Yeah.

01:19:35.620 Yeah.

01:19:36.160 And doesn't seem to care, either.

01:19:38.200 No.

01:19:38.700 Well, why would you have got $7 million for doing nothing?

01:19:42.760 A year.

01:19:43.520 Yeah.

01:19:44.940 He gets it.

01:19:46.160 She doesn't get it.

01:19:47.300 The big, big glass liberal lady was wrong on every front.

01:19:51.620 So here's my question to you.

01:19:52.860 Where's the accountability?

01:19:53.660 Why aren't we getting an announcement that Julie Fels Massino is out?

01:19:58.460 The same thing happened at Bud Light.

01:20:00.160 Remember, they quietly, after a huge kerfuffle,

01:20:03.540 like moved that lunatic PR woman or marketing woman off the post.

01:20:08.400 But the CEO stayed.

01:20:09.880 There's no accountability.

01:20:10.860 It's just like quietly skulking back to the original,

01:20:14.000 hoping nobody noticed your folly.

01:20:15.900 You know, my favorite thing about this story is the media reaction was universe.

01:20:20.940 It was just one media reaction was this.

01:20:23.540 Oh, those silly right-wingers.

01:20:25.560 All they care about is some stupid chain restaurant and their logo.

01:20:29.660 How silly they are.

01:20:30.580 This is from David French in the New York Times to a show.

01:20:33.460 I know you and I both love the fifth column where they suffer from,

01:20:36.660 they're wonderful, but they suffer from a little bit of elitism.

01:20:39.400 Oh, how silly is Chris Ruffo?

01:20:40.980 Oh, who's silly is Robbie Starbuck?

01:20:42.940 So I, on my show, said, okay, well, let's turn this around.

01:20:45.960 Let's change some of their cultural, you know, icons.

01:20:49.640 Let's take the show Will and Grace and we reboot.

01:20:52.720 This is the show that the left says helped normalize homosexuality in America.

01:20:56.560 Let's reboot it and have Will become a Catholic

01:20:59.240 and have the entire show be about Will struggling

01:21:01.660 not to indulge his physical desires so that he can serve his God.

01:21:06.020 That's what the comedy will be about, and that'll be the source of the comedy.

01:21:08.860 Let's reroute, rewrite roots, you know, so that the white guy doesn't charge into the African

01:21:14.800 interior, which didn't happen, but does what he did in real life.

01:21:17.680 He sits in his boat on offshore until the black African brings his black slaves to give

01:21:22.380 to him to take to America.

01:21:23.840 Let's, let's change all of their stuff.

01:21:25.580 You know, recently they had Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ superstar played by a black woman

01:21:29.800 and that, you know, who would ever complain about such a thing?

01:21:32.900 And I thought, but, but if you have a hearing actor play a deaf character, that's a sin.

01:21:37.920 So I thought we should just have a deaf Jew play Jesus Christ.

01:21:42.600 And when they say you should be a black woman, he can say, I can't hear you.

01:21:45.500 I'm sorry.

01:21:47.080 You know, if we made any of these changes to left-wing culture, I mean, the New York

01:21:52.360 Times would simply burst into flames.

01:21:54.760 It would just actually turn to ashes, which would improve the state of journalism in the

01:21:59.360 country, but not be very pleasant for them.

01:22:01.540 These are the things that have to be fought over.

01:22:03.600 I know it's sometimes silly.

01:22:04.800 I know it seems sometimes petty.

01:22:06.060 But no, if you have a thing, you know, as, as Robbie pointed out repeatedly, this was

01:22:12.040 not just about their logo.

01:22:13.520 They were practicing DEI policies, which are racist.

01:22:16.460 They were practicing, you know, LGBTQ, uh, support, which was not something that a lot

01:22:22.000 of their customers favored.

01:22:23.740 So basically they were taking money from people to, to use that money for things that their

01:22:28.980 customers found contemptible.

01:22:30.440 And, and yes, you're right, Megan, you should be punished for that.

01:22:34.280 You should be fired for doing something stupid like that and trying to impose it.

01:22:38.020 Disney, the same way when you've got people trying to, you know, queer the children using

01:22:43.180 Disney cartoons, you are violating the promise that company made when it was started and what

01:22:48.680 Walt Disney stood for and what the company stood for.

01:22:51.320 Listen, I, I may sometimes be on the other side of some of these questions.

01:22:54.660 I may sometimes be more liberal than other people, but I do believe that cap, you know,

01:22:59.000 capitalism is not just about, Oh, we're making enough money.

01:23:02.220 It's also about serving the people.

01:23:03.920 And if you're going to go out and say, we're a company and we have rights, like we're

01:23:06.600 individuals, which companies do say when they go to court, then you have to behave with

01:23:10.380 some kind of moral responsibility to the people you serve.

01:23:13.400 This thing, I, I think that Chris Ruffo and Robbie Starbuck are doing the work of God.

01:23:18.500 I think that's great that they are holding these people to account.

01:23:21.120 And I think, and, and they shouldn't allow themselves to be mocked.

01:23:24.880 They, you know, they can be mocked, but they shouldn't step down just because people are

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01:23:29.480 They're making fun of them because they get them where it hurts.

01:23:32.360 Yeah.

01:23:32.980 And so far they show zero chance of being shamed out of doing what they're doing.

01:23:36.720 They don't look, they're not easily cowed.

01:23:38.300 That's true.

01:23:39.160 Well, in any event, enjoy your cracker barrel.

01:23:40.820 Cause it's going to stay the same as we suspected that woman's lies were lies.

01:23:44.880 They did not want the remodel.

01:23:46.340 No one wanted the remodel.

01:23:47.500 It was a woke leftist idea to sanitize a place that a lot of Americans love just as it is.

01:23:53.180 And there's nothing wrong with that.

01:23:55.120 Change for the sake of change is not always a good idea.

01:23:59.520 Old timey is actually really inviting and comforting.

01:24:03.480 And there's something to it because there are fewer and fewer examples of it.

01:24:06.760 And I say right on, uh, for the decision that they were forced now to make.

01:24:11.400 Andrew, a pleasure.

01:24:12.240 Thanks so much for being here and we'll see you soon on the road.

01:24:15.000 Always great to see you, Megan.

01:24:15.940 Thanks.

01:24:16.200 Oh, awesome.

01:24:17.440 Okay.

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01:24:32.360 Up next, Kevin Hines actually jumped off of the golden gate bridge.

01:24:38.460 He's here with his powerful story and we'll explain why.

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01:24:49.240 I mean, I didn't know that, but it definitely calls my name.

01:24:52.060 I mean, yeah, loudly.

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01:28:40.000 Welcome back to The Megan Kelly Show.

01:28:41.760 We're joined now by a man whose story has inspired millions around the world.

01:28:45.560 At just 19 years old, Kevin Hines jumped from the Golden Gate Bridge, and against all odds, he actually survived.

01:28:54.100 That moment came with instant regret, and it was the beginning of a new mission for Kevin to spread hope, healing, and the message that life is always worth living.

01:29:04.640 He's now a global mental health advocate whose motto is simple, be here tomorrow and every day after that.

01:29:10.460 As we mark Suicide Prevention Week, we wanted to have Kevin on.

01:29:14.100 He's out with a powerful new book called The Art of Wellness, Helping People Everywhere Build Resilience and Mental Fitness.

01:29:22.260 Kevin, it's great to see you again.

01:29:23.820 How are you?

01:29:25.240 Thank you, Megan.

01:29:26.140 It's always great to see you.

01:29:27.680 I'm doing very well today.

01:29:29.040 Appreciate it.

01:29:30.220 So for the audience members who don't know your story, let's just start with it because you had some tough breaks during your childhood, and by the time you were 19, they'd caught up with you.

01:29:42.560 Yeah.

01:29:45.380 As an infant, first and foremost, I was born in abject poverty, lived in and out of crack motels, birth parents both on drugs, and I was ripped away from that lack of a home and placed in a foster care.

01:30:01.920 In foster care, my brother and I, who was 10 months older than me, Irish twins, my brother and I both got bronchitis because of neglect in a foster home, and he died right next to me.

01:30:12.480 So I was a survivor, if you could say, from the very beginning.

01:30:15.480 I bounced around from home to home, but unlike my poor brother, Megan, I got very, very lucky.

01:30:22.540 The Heinz family took me in and made me their son.

01:30:25.400 They essentially saved my life, gave me hope, gave me a future.

01:30:29.900 And growing up in the Heinz home, I thought everything's going to be copacetic from here, smooth sailing.

01:30:37.380 But at 17 and a half, I had a complete mental breakdown in front of 1,200 people in a theater show I was in.

01:30:46.220 And I had to be sent straight to see a psychiatrist, placed on medications.

01:30:52.180 But, Megan, I was 17.

01:30:54.320 I wasn't accurately following a tributive plan or adequately.

01:30:58.520 I wasn't in belief that I had what they told me I had called bipolar disorder, the very same brain disease.

01:31:05.020 Both of my biological parents had been diagnosed before they ever took drugs.

01:31:09.740 And by 19 years of age, my brain had crumbled under the weight of the pain I was experiencing.

01:31:15.520 I call it brain pain instead of mental health.

01:31:18.840 Your brain is an organ just like every other organ in the body, and it, too, can become disease, and mine was.

01:31:25.720 And at 19, looking seemingly at what I thought was the greatest pain I'd ever experienced, and what I believed to be the fact that it would never go away,

01:31:36.700 I found myself at the Golden Gate Bridge walkway, peering over the rail, crying my tears to the waters below.

01:31:43.340 So, and Megan, as you well know, I jumped.

01:31:48.880 And I fell that day, 220 feet, 25 stories, closing in on terminal velocity in four seconds.

01:31:56.100 In those four seconds, Megan, the only thing I did was pray to God that I would live.

01:32:01.360 As you said, it was an instantaneous regret for my actions, and this 100% recognition that I just made the greatest mistake of my life,

01:32:09.660 and it was likely too late, and people have asked me over time how too late.

01:32:15.080 Well, 99.9% of the people that had leapt off the Golden Gate Bridge since its inception 90-some years ago, it's been too late.

01:32:24.180 They're all gone.

01:32:25.540 And so I always say I get to be here, and I firmly and formidably believe that getting to be here is both a privilege and a gift,

01:32:35.440 no matter the pain you might be in, and I'm in a great deal of physical pain today and every day from what I did to myself all those years ago.

01:32:43.280 You broke multiple bones, your vertebrae were shattered, multiple internal organs were severely damaged,

01:32:51.780 and yet I know you feel like you had a guardian angel, that you actually did have somebody looking out for you that day.

01:32:59.320 Explain.

01:32:59.520 When I went into the water and I went down, well, first of all, when you hit the water, you hit 15,000 pounds of pressure.

01:33:07.920 That's like a giant African elephant standing on your chest.

01:33:10.260 Who survives that?

01:33:12.220 I imploded my T12L1, L2.

01:33:15.040 They splintered.

01:33:16.320 I missed severing my spinal cord by two millimeters, two millimeters away from certain death and drowning.

01:33:21.860 I went down 40 to 50 feet, and I opened my eyes, and I was drowning, and I didn't want to.

01:33:25.720 I desperately wanted to live fight-or-flight mode, and I was fighting.

01:33:29.640 I made my way to the surface, but I couldn't stay above water.

01:33:32.560 I kept going down.

01:33:33.940 I go down one more time.

01:33:35.220 I can't make it back up, and I think to myself, this is it.

01:33:38.200 This is where I go.

01:33:38.940 I'm going to die here.

01:33:39.660 No one's going to know I didn't want to.

01:33:41.340 No one is going to know.

01:33:43.080 I knew I made a mistake.

01:33:44.780 And that's when something very large and very slimy and very alive began circling beneath me.

01:33:49.620 And I remember thinking to myself, you've got to be kidding me.

01:33:51.800 I didn't die jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge, and a shark is going to devour me.

01:33:55.280 Perfect.

01:33:56.540 And it turned out to be no shark at all.

01:33:59.820 Bystanders who saw me go over the rail would later report to the Coast Guard that a sea

01:34:05.620 lion was keeping me afloat until the Coast Guard boat arrived behind me.

01:34:10.640 And, Megan, you can call that whatever you want.

01:34:13.480 But in my opinion, that is a miracle beyond belief.

01:34:17.360 God was looking out for me that day and made sure I was not going to die by suicide in a place that is 99.9% fatal for people who did the same thing I did.

01:34:27.920 That's incredible.

01:34:29.240 It gives me the chills whenever I hear you tell this story, Kevin.

01:34:31.780 And since then, you've worked tirelessly to stop others from making that same decision you made that day.

01:34:37.580 You've been instrumental in getting, just for one example, the nets that we saw go up in 2023 under the Golden Gate, which many in San Francisco didn't want because they thought they might be unsightly.

01:34:49.700 They might mar the bridge, but they've actually saved lives.

01:34:53.840 Now, it's a lot harder to die by suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate.

01:34:59.300 It's something you had to work very hard to push for.

01:35:02.260 We worked for 20 years to raise the nets at the Golden Gate Bridge.

01:35:07.560 The Bridge Rail Foundation, founded by my father, Patrick, Paul Muller, and Dave Hall, my wife and I were co-founding board members,

01:35:16.140 we argued with the Bridge District for 20 years to do this, to stop suicide at the Golden Gate Bridge effectively.

01:35:23.860 And the Golden Gate Bridge District Authority's original charter stated,

01:35:28.760 this bridge, the Golden Gate Bridge, will be safe for all who cross it.

01:35:31.840 They failed their mission.

01:35:33.100 And we were holding them accountable.

01:35:35.660 And since the inception of the net, suicides at the Golden Gate Bridge have reduced by 73% in one year.

01:35:43.640 That's incredible.

01:35:45.360 Proving positive that reduction of access to lethal means absolutely saves lives.

01:35:51.900 And we're working toward the goal of making it to zero suicides at the Golden Gate Bridge.

01:35:58.760 And we hope to get there as soon as humanly possible.

01:36:01.680 The thing about suicide is it overwhelmingly affects young people.

01:36:08.280 I mean, over 65 also commit suicide in very large numbers.

01:36:11.720 But 10 to 34, it's the second biggest cause of death.

01:36:17.640 10 to 34.

01:36:19.580 It's bullying.

01:36:21.320 It's childhood trauma.

01:36:22.780 And it's all sorts of things.

01:36:24.000 And so a lot of parents, Kevin, do not want to discuss this because they don't even want the idea floated out there, right?

01:36:32.300 Like in the universe.

01:36:34.020 So what's your advice to them?

01:36:35.780 Do they have to discuss it?

01:36:37.180 If it's, let's say, you know, you have a kid who's, you know, you can tell they're dark or they're feeling depressed and they're not talking to you.

01:36:44.380 So parents, listen carefully.

01:36:49.740 If you do not have the conversation of suicide prevention at the breakfast, lunch, and dinner table with your children, they are going to come across it themselves through media, through social media, through all kinds of avenues, through their friends, through their peers.

01:37:04.520 You must have the conversation and you must be bold enough to ask three very important questions when you have the inclination that your child is considering suicide, is likely depressed, is struggling with anxiety, or all of the above.

01:37:17.440 Are you thinking of killing yourself?

01:37:19.440 Have you made plans to take your life?

01:37:21.600 And do you have the means?

01:37:23.080 But you don't start there.

01:37:24.280 You start with, hey, I'm really worried about you.

01:37:27.040 I love you with all of my heart.

01:37:29.220 I'm going to ask you three direct questions.

01:37:31.740 I want you to answer me with honest answers.

01:37:34.020 You will not be in trouble.

01:37:36.660 Nothing you say could be bad or derogatory.

01:37:39.600 I am here for you because I love you.

01:37:41.680 I've got your back.

01:37:42.840 And I'm listening to understand, not to respond.

01:37:45.880 Are you thinking of killing yourself?

01:37:47.600 Have you made plans to take your life?

01:37:49.420 And do you have the means?

01:37:50.700 Get some more honest answer from youth than the question, are you thinking of suicide?

01:37:55.260 Because of the taboo on the word suicide.

01:37:57.160 And a more honest answer than the question, are you thinking of self-harm?

01:38:00.000 Because by definition, self-harm is not suicide.

01:38:01.980 It's self-harm, which can lead to suicide, but it's not suicide.

01:38:06.120 Asking those three direct questions are proven by the Crisis Text Line's 20-year-old AI algorithm

01:38:11.560 to get more honest answers than those questions I posed, suicide and harm.

01:38:16.560 So asking the questions are pertinent.

01:38:18.220 They're crucial.

01:38:18.840 They're imperative.

01:38:19.340 And they save lives.

01:38:21.380 Wow.

01:38:22.260 And it's not just with your kids either.

01:38:24.980 I know you encourage people if they know somebody in their professional life and if they know

01:38:30.580 somebody in their social life, if they happen to see somebody who is literally on the verge

01:38:36.980 of taking their own life, like happened to you to not be afraid to express caring, compassion,

01:38:44.960 or ask the tough question.

01:38:46.940 Like there actually was a woman you encountered on that bridge moments before you went over the side.

01:38:53.700 She approached me with a smile on her face, Megan, and I thought she was coming to ask me if I was okay.

01:39:00.720 I prepared myself.

01:39:02.280 I was going to tell her everything and beg her to save me because I couldn't save myself.

01:39:07.220 And she approached, she pulled out a digital camera, and she said,

01:39:09.960 will you take my picture in that accent?

01:39:13.060 And maybe she was trying to reach me in her own way, but I couldn't see it.

01:39:16.020 When she left, I told myself the greatest lie any of us have ever told.

01:39:21.200 Absolutely, no one cares.

01:39:23.500 And it was the furthest thing from the truth.

01:39:26.960 Megan, when I travel around the world to speak in every continent, with every language, to every community,

01:39:33.640 one of the most common themes I hear is that people who are in the audience, especially youth alike,

01:39:40.060 are being neglected and abused at home, or their peers are telling them to just go kill themselves.

01:39:45.080 In school, and when they go home on social media.

01:39:48.720 We must stop the inherent bullying, hazing, teasing, and harassment that goes on in our schools.

01:39:54.180 And if we can't stop the bullying, we need to build more resilient children to let them know that suicide is never,

01:40:00.420 ever the solution to their problem.

01:40:02.140 It is the problem.

01:40:03.360 Suicidal ideation is the greatest liar, as we know.

01:40:05.520 Don't listen to them.

01:40:06.540 And suicide does not, cannot, and will not ever take the pain away.

01:40:10.120 It just transfers it on to everyone left behind and makes it wholly impossible for things to ever get better.

01:40:16.460 But with time, energy, effort, and a great deal of hard work, things will always get better.

01:40:22.240 I promise you.

01:40:23.160 I know this.

01:40:23.960 I'm living proof.

01:40:24.980 That's why I wrote the book, The Art of Wellness, How to Find, Live, and Stay Mentally Fit.

01:40:29.400 It is a workbook that determines how you better balance your brain, mind, behavioral, physical, spiritual, social health, and well-being.

01:40:36.640 It is changing lives around the world, and I want it to change your audience's lives here every day going forward

01:40:43.440 because you go back to the book every day you have a problem, and you find a new technique to implement into your daily life

01:40:49.040 to change your brain, to change your life.

01:40:52.000 To rewire that.

01:40:53.500 And it's not like you, I mean, you had a lot of pain, and I know you do to this day as a result of your catastrophic fall,

01:41:00.660 but you manage it.

01:41:02.640 So you understand.

01:41:03.500 You understand what pain is like.

01:41:04.620 You understand what physical pain is like, what mental and emotional pain is like.

01:41:07.920 You speak firsthand on these issues.

01:41:11.460 And I want to tell this story.

01:41:13.160 I've been wanting to tell you this story for years.

01:41:16.040 So you came on my show on NBC, and your beautiful wife Margie was there too.

01:41:20.620 And you told this story, and it was completely riveting.

01:41:25.920 I mean, everybody listened.

01:41:27.120 You could hear a pin drop in the studio, including me.

01:41:29.860 And when we went to break and I was walking you out of the studio, you told me that you had like a policy,

01:41:37.240 that you asked people for their phone numbers, and you wanted people to make sure that if they ever like had a dark moment,

01:41:45.480 to know that they could call you, you know, that you would help them in their down moment.

01:41:49.740 And I, listening to that story and listening to the ongoing pain you said you were in, said,

01:41:56.120 Kevin, I want to give you my phone number so you can call me.

01:41:59.620 I can be one of your people if you ever, you know, have these dark moments again.

01:42:03.980 So I gave you my phone number, thinking I would be there for you.

01:42:09.920 And not long after that, I got fired from my show.

01:42:14.660 I left NBC.

01:42:16.600 I was all over every newspaper in the country being called a racist and a terrible person.

01:42:23.020 My career, for which I'd worked so hard, was in tatters.

01:42:26.620 I was extremely dejected and in despair.

01:42:30.400 And while I wasn't suicidal, I was about as low as I've been as an adult in terms of my wellness and my happiness.

01:42:40.460 And you called me.

01:42:43.760 You called me.

01:42:45.660 I was thinking, I'm this hotshot news anchor.

01:42:49.160 I'll help Kevin if he ever goes down again.

01:42:52.300 And you contacted me and said, we're thinking about you, you and Margie.

01:42:58.240 Is there anything we can do for you?

01:43:00.400 We've got your back.

01:43:01.640 We love you.

01:43:03.080 You know, we don't believe what we're seeing.

01:43:05.360 And it was one of the kindest acts anyone has ever done for me.

01:43:12.080 Honestly, I was always your fan.

01:43:15.120 But in that moment, I just thought this small deed means more to me than any large act of kindness or gift that I've received in decades.

01:43:24.360 And that's why you and she are at the top for me when it comes to people who have made a difference in my life.

01:43:31.500 And we've kept in touch ever since.

01:43:32.700 Wow, man.

01:43:34.720 I had no idea it had that kind of an impact.

01:43:36.840 I just I saw what you're going through.

01:43:38.780 I felt it was unfair.

01:43:40.400 And I wanted to reach out.

01:43:41.480 I mean, look, you know, I'm mixed race.

01:43:42.940 I'm part black.

01:43:43.580 And you had me on your show.

01:43:44.580 You know, what they what they claimed you were doing and did was nonsense.

01:43:48.000 And you're an incredibly beautiful human being.

01:43:51.160 You've got a wonderful family.

01:43:52.480 And you're just a gem out there fighting the good fight and doing good work and sharing your messages across the globe.

01:43:58.780 And we wanted you to know that we appreciate you and it.

01:44:01.720 And, you know, here's the bottom line.

01:44:03.840 And I when I said this earlier in the show, I get to be here.

01:44:08.340 I get to walk this green earth every day.

01:44:11.200 Every waking moment I experience this life and the people I meet, the places I go, the things that I do is a gift that I otherwise would not have had had I died off the Golden Gate Bridge.

01:44:21.760 So for 25 years, because I don't know if you know this, but September 25th is the 25th anniversary of my surviving, my living from the Golden Gate Bridge.

01:44:31.360 And I couldn't be more grateful for every waking second, every waking millisecond.

01:44:37.900 And, you know, we're doing something really exciting, Megan.

01:44:40.800 We're making a film called The Toll about the toll suicides at the Golden Gate Bridge have taken on the bridge patrol, the bridge district themselves,

01:44:50.020 because they've seen some some hardship, the Coast Guard who all have PTSD from the bodies below the bridge that don't get proper services because they're not combat veterans

01:45:00.480 and all the iron workers that experience suicides while building the net in person.

01:45:05.960 So all of these things are coming together.

01:45:08.640 And this and it's the toll that suicide takes in the larger community and the toll that easy access to lethal means like opioids and fentanyl take on the larger community in San Francisco.

01:45:18.400 We are covering all these topics in this film.

01:45:21.120 It's going to be incredible.

01:45:22.440 And I'm really excited because Robin Williams' son, Zach Williams, is my co-producer.

01:45:27.480 And it's truly going to be something to behold when this film comes out and something very special that reduces suicides globally

01:45:34.140 and that we share with the world that we that we know will be a catalyst to reducing access to lethal means,

01:45:41.080 not just at the Golden Gate Bridge, but around the world where suicides are a hotspot and where people die.

01:45:46.140 We're now working with that.

01:45:47.620 We will.

01:45:48.060 We'll post it on all of our socials, Kevin, when it when it hits.

01:45:51.360 And in the meantime, support Kevin by buying the art of wellness.

01:45:55.480 Find out more about his story at KevinHinesStory.com.

01:46:00.240 God love you.

01:46:01.080 God bless you.

01:46:02.200 Love to Margie, too.

01:46:03.180 Thanks for being here, Kevin.

01:46:04.720 What a man.

01:46:05.580 We're back tomorrow.

01:46:06.340 See you then.

01:46:09.420 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

01:46:11.620 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:46:14.140 We'll be right back.

The Megyn Kelly Show - September 09, 2025

Left Covers Up Charlotte Stabbing, and ＂Non-Binary＂ Meltdown, with Andrew Klavan, Plus Kevin Hines' Inspiring Survival Story ｜ Ep 1144

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