The Megyn Kelly Show - Left Turns on Nicki Minaj, Fauci’s New Title and Immigration Madness with Kmele Foster, Matt Welch, and Michael Moynihan

00:00:00.540 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.840 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. There is so much news to get

00:00:16.220 to today and I've got with me three of my all-time favorite guests to help cover it all. They are the

00:00:22.180 hosts of the Fifth Column podcast, which I love. If you ever just want to be entertained and have

00:00:28.160 a good time and hear interesting discussions, go listen to it. Michael Moynihan, who's a

00:00:32.980 correspondent for Vice News Tonight. Matt Welch, who's editor at large for Reason Magazine. And

00:00:38.480 Camille Foster of Freethink Media. They're all in on this together and now they're all with us

00:00:43.400 together. And we're going to dive into all things COVID, Afghanistan, Nicki Minaj, going nuclear on

00:00:47.840 Joy Reid and so on. Hey guys, great to have you here. Morning. Hi, Megan. That's fun to be able

00:00:53.500 to see you. Well, we can't see you. What's going on here? I know. We got to figure that out. And

00:00:59.300 for people who don't know what we're talking about, we actually have, um, you can see the show now at

00:01:02.980 youtube.com slash Megyn Kelly. We post it like a couple hours after the show is over, but yeah,

00:01:07.440 this is the only place you can get it live. Uh, all right. So I don't even know where to begin.

00:01:11.620 Um, but I feel like the Nicki Minaj place is actually as good a place as any, the most, it's like

00:01:17.980 the most weirdness I've seen all at once in cable news, uh, in a while. Nicki Minaj sends out a tweet

00:01:23.980 saying, I'm not sure. I'm not going to go to the Met Gala cause I don't want to be told I have to get

00:01:28.440 vaccinated and I'll make up my mind later if I want to get max vaccinated. And she tells some story

00:01:33.840 about her cousin's friend who allegedly got the vaccine and his balls gotten flamed.

00:01:40.140 Okay. I got balls into the first minute of our show. Yep. And then joy read went after her,

00:01:51.940 you know, and her nasty, she's always angry. I actually think we have the joy read soundbite.

00:01:57.280 Um, and let's get it ready and then we'll play it. Yeah. Let's listen. And people like Nicki Minaj,

00:02:01.640 I have to say this. You have a platform sister that is 22 million followers. Okay. I have 2 million

00:02:08.720 followers. You have 22 million followers on Twitter for you to use your platform to encourage our

00:02:15.180 community, to not protect themselves and save their lives. My God, sister, you could do better

00:02:20.440 than that. You've got that platform. It's, it's a blessing. It's a blessing that you got that,

00:02:25.580 that people listen to you and they listen to you more than listen to me for you to use your platform

00:02:30.340 to put people in the position of dying from a disease. They don't have to die from. Oh my God,

00:02:36.360 as a fan, as a hip hop fan, as somebody who was your fan, I'm so sad that you did that. So sad that

00:02:42.540 you did that sister. Oh my God. Yes. There's three sister. Brother Camille.

00:02:53.360 Nicki Minaj apparently, you know, ticked off joy read in the left in a massive way. And she's been

00:02:59.440 taken incoming ever since she got an invitation from the white house to either go to the white house or

00:03:03.620 have a phone call with a white house doctor. It depends on who you ask. Tucker Carlson's defending

00:03:07.640 her that sent the internet into a meltdown last night because Nikki retweeted a Tucker segment

00:03:13.860 defending. I mean, it's like, I didn't recognize that Nicki Minaj had this much power. I guess that

00:03:19.240 was my, my bad, but you tell me, I'll start with you, Camille. Why, why has this become such a huge

00:03:24.760 thing? Because the entire world has gone crazy. Like everyone, everyone is insane. The, the,

00:03:30.900 the mere fact that Nicki Minaj is disseminating, I guess, health advice or public health advice

00:03:37.140 with relate with respect to the COVID vaccine, um, tells you all you need to know. Every aspect

00:03:42.060 of the pandemic has been politicized. And this has been true since almost the outset before it was the

00:03:48.860 left who was telling you not to panic at all. This is all fine. You can totally go to the, the Chinese

00:03:54.220 new year parades. And it was the right who was somewhat skeptical and was interested in maybe

00:03:58.340 shuttering borders. Um, and now the entire world is completely flipped upside down. Um, I, I don't

00:04:04.020 know if we've learned anything at all from Nicki Minaj gate. It'll be a, or do we call this like

00:04:08.140 balls gate? I'm not sure, but it'll be a couple of days before we know if, yeah, if, if someone at

00:04:14.320 the white house is able to persuade her that she's all wrong about this. Um, but at a minimum, I mean,

00:04:19.600 we do have like some very real material challenges and it's interesting to see just how much time

00:04:24.960 nonsense like this ends up sucking up in a country where we still do have a pandemic that we're trying

00:04:30.980 to figure out how to navigate balancing our health concerns with our economic concerns. We've got

00:04:36.020 genuine economic difficulties with inflation starting to creep up. It'd be nice if we spent a

00:04:41.280 little bit of time talking about those things as well, but I suppose it's nice to have some,

00:04:45.220 some distractions occasionally. I'm not going to lie. Cause I'm not going to lie. I'm enjoying the

00:04:48.660 Joy Reid, Nicki Minaj fight. Is it just me? I have to say, Megan, I was unaware that we were going to

00:04:54.580 discuss this yet. I still do have a screenshot of a Nicki Minaj text on my phone, uh, between on my

00:05:01.500 phone. I took in bed this morning. Cause I was like, I'm totally mad. This is the thing that

00:05:07.060 happened this morning. A tweet about balls. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's a day ending and why

00:05:14.380 yes. Grote gate, uh, 1.0. So I'm, I, I took a screenshot of this and I'm thinking when I took the

00:05:20.560 subway into the city, um, you know, it's what I've always said about the incredible thing that

00:05:25.880 New York is not full of libertarians, because if you try to get on public transportation, it's like,

00:05:30.420 holy shit, they cannot do anything in the city. Nothing works. The same thing is kind of true

00:05:34.620 about celebrities these days and, you know, kind of being annoyed by the left because once they kind

00:05:40.360 of interact with them, they realize how difficult it is. You know, like Rose McGowan is the latest one.

00:05:44.800 This is Nicki Minaj's tweet this morning. I'll get rid you part of it. Cause for some reason,

00:05:48.440 it's like 8,000 characters. She's a lot of people aren't human anymore. I don't know what that

00:05:54.440 means. If you're black and a Democrat tells you to shove marbles up your ass, you simply have to.

00:06:00.800 Now that's one way of phrasing it. I wouldn't have done so myself.

00:06:06.600 Camille is, I mean, I hope you're not a Democrat.

00:06:10.300 I'm not thankfully.

00:06:13.340 But yeah, that was the Nicki Minaj. And I also enjoyed a Cardi B who, uh,

00:06:18.280 what was about a couple of years ago when her, her first record was like selling tons of copies

00:06:21.980 and she was making all this money. She took to Instagram to talk about tax rights. She was like,

00:06:26.100 holy shit, I have to pay all this money to the government. I'm like, look, see, interacting with

00:06:30.000 the real world can, uh, can change your politics a little bit.

00:06:32.760 I just am really happy that Tucker Carlson is talking about balls, uh, openly on every night.

00:06:39.280 Again, the look on his face in general, that sort of pinched Tucker face with the word balls

00:06:44.100 is what America needs to heal.

00:06:46.300 You know, I think, you know, apparently speaking of wasting a bunch of time, the, um, the government

00:06:52.260 of Trinidad and Tobago where Nicki Minaj's cousin's friend allegedly resides, uh, says it's invested

00:06:58.920 way too many hours trying to track down the allegedly impotent man who claims his impotence is due to the

00:07:06.000 vaccine. Now you tell me guys, I'm just thinking like they can't find said man, but I'm thinking

00:07:10.860 like a guy's in the sack and things aren't going that well. And you're like, it's the vaccine.

00:07:14.620 It's the vaccine.

00:07:16.920 The last thing you want is to be, is to be seen photographed video, perhaps interviewed now that

00:07:23.040 you're not functioning in the way that you thought. And maybe you confided in your cousin

00:07:28.480 privately, hoping that she wouldn't tell the entire universe.

00:07:32.740 And she is also making a homage as Joy Reid playing 20 million followers. But I love the fact

00:07:36.940 that Joy Reid also got in that I have 2 million followers, which was like, it was like the humble

00:07:41.260 brag of the whole thing.

00:07:42.520 She did sound, she sounded a little bitter though.

00:07:44.440 Yeah, she's a little bitter. And she was definitely code switching there. But, um, I do appreciate

00:07:48.840 that Trinidad and Tobago is taking up this, this issue and this video and they're talking about,

00:07:54.800 we've invested all this time as the American government's trying to like get people out of

00:07:58.820 Afghanistan, Trinidad and Tobago is where like, we're trying to find the swollen man.

00:08:03.140 It's as if the, you know, the governor of Alaska would have gotten into, you know, someone

00:08:09.960 saying, Oh yeah, my, my girlfriend, uh, is, is, is in Alaska. Uh, and that's why, uh, well,

00:08:15.000 you haven't seen her, uh, and it's, uh, we're looking for her.

00:08:20.520 This sounds like a former camp trauma that, uh, that many men have gone through. I swear she

00:08:26.420 exists. Wait, is it the cousin that has the balls or is it the cousin's friend? Okay.

00:08:30.580 It's the cousin's friend. A story from a cousin abroad who said he was declining to be vaccinated

00:08:36.940 because his friend got it and became impotent. Okay. So it's the cousin's friend who you raise

00:08:42.620 a good point. So Nikki Minaj has a cousin in Trinidad and Tobago who, whose friend confided

00:08:48.100 in him, maybe not even knowing that he was Nikki's cousin, but certainly not expecting it to become

00:08:52.400 an international story. He's not raising his hand to say, I am the man whose balls are enlarged

00:09:08.040 and equipment is not functioning. And we wonder why. All right. Just letting everybody know I'm

00:09:14.420 with Camille Foster, Matt Welch and Michael Moynihan. These guys are the hosts of the fifth

00:09:18.140 column, which we love. And you should listen to if you're not already. So I don't know.

00:09:21.560 I, to me, it's like, it is sort of emblematic of COVID disinformation, which, you know, I have no

00:09:27.440 idea what happened to that guy's testicles, but, um, there are all sorts of stories about side effects

00:09:31.700 that may or may not have been caused by the vaccine. You get these anecdotal reports and then

00:09:36.020 people are like, yes, see, you see. And even with long COVID for that matter, it's like,

00:09:41.080 I haven't had COVID, but God, I feel like I might have long COVID right now. I'm tired.

00:09:46.560 I, you know, a lot of the symptoms that they report, I'm like, I got that right now.

00:09:50.180 So you just never know in some of the medical reporting that we're getting now what to believe.

00:09:54.920 And Victor Davis Hanson has a really good piece out today talking about how

00:09:58.140 right down to the very science itself, you know, the, the science, Dr. Fauci,

00:10:03.080 we don't know what we can believe and what we can't believe. I know the Guardian just named him

00:10:06.780 sexiest man alive. I don't, I don't know that he's the most trustworthy news right there.

00:10:12.560 You're not feeling that?

00:10:13.560 No, I think it's fake news. He's, he's objectively not the sexiest man alive back in. I'm sorry.

00:10:19.700 Yeah, but this is how a lot on the left think. I mean, they, they look at him like he is a

00:10:23.000 God-like figure.

00:10:24.400 One of the, uh, the problems that you flag here is, uh, you know, we're 18 months into this and

00:10:29.780 we actually know some stuff, right? We've learned about things and yet you don't see that reflected

00:10:34.940 in the news media. There's been a spate of headlines along the lines of, um, you know, uh,

00:10:40.380 even though kids are back in school rates of COVID are falling, even though like this is a,

00:10:47.900 this is a surprise. This is something that we've seen happen now for the most part, uh, in most

00:10:53.480 every country for the last year, at least when kids go back to school rates fall because kids

00:10:59.340 don't really get, um, COVID. Um, and that's, that's the expectation, not the opposite, but

00:11:05.040 that kind of basic kind of literacy of where we have gone and what we're doing hasn't penetrated

00:11:10.900 to the people who are supposed to be disseminating this 10 degree. I mean, there's a, you guys have

00:11:16.600 all probably seen the, uh, the kind of viral picture that was tweeted out by a union in New

00:11:21.100 York of, uh, you know, they're really proud to say, look, we're protecting the, uh, our classrooms

00:11:25.620 and guys walking around in like the worst jury rig, like hazmat suit spraying upwards, some

00:11:33.220 kind of, you know, I saw something or other to the ceilings in a classroom. We're doing this now,

00:11:39.680 18 months later. Um, I, I have a lot of blame for the news media in this because it, we, we know

00:11:46.880 better than this. We shouldn't be wiping down groceries anymore or writing as if that's how

00:11:50.740 the stuff gets spread. Yeah. We talked about it. Didn't we talk about the last time you guys have

00:11:54.980 kids in New York? Yeah. I, I have, uh, two kids, uh, in who go to school 13 and six, um, eighth grade

00:12:02.900 and first grade and pulled the younger one out of the public school system because there's no, um, uh,

00:12:09.220 there's no expectation that they're going to manage this normally. Um, they're going to do there right

00:12:13.640 now. If you have one kid who tests positive in an elementary school, uh, classroom, everybody has to

00:12:19.240 go home for 10 days. Um, that doesn't seem to be a recipe for, and they're, you know, they're testing

00:12:23.720 often enough that you're going to catch some people who are going to have it and not have any

00:12:27.160 symptoms. Um, that's just not a recipe for keeping kids in school. So, I mean, I'm quite happy with

00:12:31.820 the private, my, my daughter goes to private school. Um, and she managed one day of school, uh, on Monday

00:12:36.920 before we shut down, um, because a teacher tested positive and, you know, all things last year over

00:12:44.340 at the Hugo Chavez Academy, my daughter goes to school in Brooklyn, um, was great actually, because they did

00:12:51.820 not react the way that the public schools reacted. And she was in school most of the year and they,

00:12:56.120 uh, handled it in a totally, uh, smart, mature way. Not, there's no intervention from idiotic,

00:13:02.000 uh, teachers unions. There's no intervention from some mega bureaucracy. There was a small

00:13:06.300 coterie of people that discussed it and came up with an actually decent, uh, strategy. I thought it

00:13:11.040 was slightly overblown at times, but at least she was in school and that wasn't, that was important to

00:13:15.180 us. Megan, where'd you, you pulled your kids out of your private school, right? Because you were upset

00:13:19.180 with the wokeness brigade. Yeah, we left, we left New York because of the crazy far left

00:13:24.500 indoctrination being shoved down our throats in these schools. And we were in the private schools.

00:13:28.200 It wasn't, it really wasn't a COVID thing. It was, it was a crazy hard left indoctrination thing

00:13:33.540 and found, found schools. We moved to Connecticut and we're in a district now or, I mean, it's,

00:13:38.920 we're at a private school, but it's reasonable. You know, they're, they're not anti-diversity,

00:13:43.580 equity, inclusion and all that, but they're not signing on to this, you know, hard racist

00:13:48.180 agenda that we're seeing in the New York schools or hard trans promotional agenda. I would say what

00:13:53.880 I've seen so far is they're, they're non-bullying. They're about support. They're about sort of the

00:13:58.040 way things used to be, right? Like we're, we encourage kids to be good to one another and

00:14:02.040 kind and accepting and loving and not just about the so-called anti-racist agenda or, you know,

00:14:07.940 DEI agenda. We have six DEI officers who are looking for nails to hammer all day long.

00:14:12.840 Um, but I will say they're, they're very uptight when it comes to the COVID restrictions. Um,

00:14:20.380 and even this week we saw our, our 11 year old outside the day was 82 degrees and they all had

00:14:26.660 their masks on while they're doing squat thrusts and sit-ups and pushups and planks. And our son was

00:14:31.520 telling us that some of the boys were in full face sweat masks, completely dripping wet while they're

00:14:37.720 doing these exercises outdoor. And I was like, you will not do that, that you, you are not allowed

00:14:43.120 to do that. It isn't safe. And there's been a followup between us and our school, but it's just that

00:14:48.600 the insanity is not science-based and it's maddening, maddening. Yeah. Yeah. On the, on the podcast, we've

00:14:55.000 talked a lot about the parallels between nine 11 and all of the various actions that happen

00:15:00.400 subsequently. And one of the most prominent features of the post nine 11 world is the security

00:15:06.260 theater. And that is precisely what we see playing out in schools. It's the person spraying Lysol into

00:15:12.140 the air in the classroom, uh, that Moynihan and Welch were alluding to a moment ago. Um, it's the

00:15:16.920 masks outside on the playground. Um, I am very grateful for the private Montessori school that I

00:15:22.080 send our three-year-old to that we send our three-year-old to my wife to hear me. I don't make

00:15:27.800 lateral decisions. I don't do it all the time. Doug's like, yo, it's a partnership. Um, but you know,

00:15:35.860 the security theater is just so out of phase with this ridiculous mantra, believe science,

00:15:42.200 which we know at this point that we don't so much believe science as arrive at conclusions

00:15:48.400 and stick to those conclusions as much as possible. And anytime new facts emerge that seem to conflict

00:15:55.160 with the previous thing that we believed, we tend to be pretty rigidly holding on to the previous,

00:16:01.760 uh, previously believed previous beliefs that we had. Um, and that's not how science works. Science

00:16:06.960 is about falsifiability. Like you believe something until new evidence comes along. Oh,

00:16:12.400 but you know that our approach to public health is all about politics and not about science. Yeah.

00:16:17.180 Yeah. I mean, people are science signaling. Uh, it's a sort of virtue signaling in the sense that

00:16:22.540 like, you know, you're anti-science if you believe that the, you know, they're in vaccine shedding

00:16:28.100 and some of the nonsense that you hear from the like furthest precincts of the kind of, uh, Trumpy

00:16:34.040 right. Uh, but you're not considered anti-science if you're running by yourself on the East river with

00:16:39.680 the mask on, you are a lunatic. You clearly know nothing about science. If you're overcompensating,

00:16:45.440 that's considered a positive thing. That's not considered anti-science because it's science

00:16:49.180 signaling because you're showing everybody that I care about all of you who are about a half a mile

00:16:55.100 from me and might walk by me and that I'm not going to infect you. I mean, look at the California

00:16:59.520 recall, right? Gavin Newsom, uh, stomped. He survived in a huge way. Um, and what was the,

00:17:05.100 what was his message? What was the message of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and everyone who traveled

00:17:09.920 into the state? It was like, you have to vote no on the recall because we are in favor of science.

00:17:14.820 This is a governor who yellow tape playgrounds in December, 2020. He yellow in California.

00:17:21.540 That was science tape. Yes. They were putting the pouring sand on skate parks. They were pulling,

00:17:30.180 you know, skin borders out of the water in Malibu. You have the greatest natural climate possible to

00:17:37.960 deal with COVID, which is that you can have your school out outdoors. You can open the window. It's

00:17:43.200 California. And, and they didn't do any of that. And yet they are, they are congratulating themselves

00:17:49.420 for doing a great victory for science, uh, this week in California. I would be terrified if I were

00:17:54.540 a Californian because it will clearly, if you listen to Gavin Newsom, after winning the recall,

00:17:58.420 he's like, all of my policies have been affirmed. This was a vote for my, my anti, my mandatory

00:18:04.680 vaccinations and my mandatory mask policies and cracking down on, you know, COVID. That's how he

00:18:09.600 wants to say it. What he's doing is, um, as much as humanly possible. You know, I think he thinks

00:18:14.600 this is a thumbs up for lockdowns. Uh, and I do think there are some signs now that Californians,

00:18:19.080 notwithstanding how they voted on the recall, they didn't want Larry Elder. I get it, um,

00:18:23.520 are starting to get a little sick of this nonsense. I don't think this was a vote for all of his

00:18:27.940 policies. And by the way, all the CRT stuff, critical race theory stuff, he took it as an

00:18:32.420 affirmation there. And just today in the news, there was, um, a national review had an article about

00:18:37.500 how there is what looks like it's going to be a successful push to recall three members of the

00:18:43.140 school board in San Francisco guys, San Francisco, because of their crazy, it's sort of COVID and CRT

00:18:50.800 combined policies of keeping the schools closed while they focus their efforts on getting Thomas

00:18:57.180 Jefferson's name or Abraham Lincoln's name off of the various schools out there. That's,

00:19:02.620 that's their priority. My favorite of that one is that, uh, one of the names they took off

00:19:07.420 was a person whose name was attached to a museum that's who had a statue that they didn't like,

00:19:15.760 even though that statue like was put up 20 years after the person had anything to do. Like the,

00:19:20.240 the chain of the, of custody was insane. But that that's happening all around the country.

00:19:27.800 There's been a huge backlash uses of recall mechanism where that's available. And, you know,

00:19:34.140 California is going to soon make the recall mechanism much less available now in the wake

00:19:38.840 of the recall, which I think is a, a terrible move, but, um, this is happening where people

00:19:44.840 are running for a school board because they're coming face to face with both of those policies

00:19:49.120 at once. And when they're juxtaposed next to each other, that's when it's especially maddening.

00:19:54.100 We just got, you know, all the emails and stuff from, uh, our middle school, um, public middle

00:19:59.520 school, where my daughter goes to, um, you know, welcoming back. It's the first time

00:20:03.060 five day a week school that we've had since March, 2020. So it's kind of a big deal.

00:20:07.600 And, um, most of the messaging associated with it was all about equity teams, um, and, uh, and

00:20:14.080 strike forces and, and all of this stuff. And I'm like, okay, can we, uh, do we talk about the COVID

00:20:20.820 where we, where's the COVID and keeping people in school and making sure that things are open.

00:20:25.180 It was totally de-emphasized. Democrats in general are going to realize that Americans are slightly

00:20:30.040 slow on this stuff. Um, it usually catches up with them, but it's not an immediate thing.

00:20:33.740 And if Gavin Newsom is taking a victory lap and thinks that it's an affirmation of having homeless

00:20:39.860 people, um, overrun San Francisco, like the Michael Jackson thriller video, that's not an

00:20:45.060 affirmation of that. And essentially all of these, um, policies will catch up, particularly tax

00:20:50.700 policies. I mean, California is essentially like Norway West at this point, tax wise, uh, the homeless

00:20:56.240 problem, which is, you know, taken over entire beaches in your home city of LA lost population

00:21:01.660 last year. It's never happened. It's the first time ever in New York. People are feeling today

00:21:06.100 listening to people who maybe they didn't want Larry, but they weren't really in love with Gavin

00:21:10.620 Newsom and they got stuck with him. And now he's like, yes, I'm resolved in all of my policies more

00:21:15.220 than ever. And this isn't even touching on his disgusting hypocrisy with all of his mandates

00:21:19.760 while he went to French laundry without his mask on. And it continues, right? We're going to get into

00:21:23.880 this next. Um, not only what we saw at the Met Gala, which was disgusting, the hypocrisy there,

00:21:28.600 but now the NBA, the NBA is not going to require vaccines for the players, not mandatory vaccines,

00:21:33.960 but for all the surfs who are around the players. Yeah. Guess what? It's going to be a different

00:21:38.880 policy. We're going to talk about all the privilege, uh, involved in that move in just one second.

00:21:43.140 Stand by. Welcome back everyone to the Megan Kelly show. So happy to be bringing you the hosts of the

00:21:53.120 fifth column today, Michael Moynihan, Matt Welch, and Camille Foster. So yeah, it just comes out today

00:21:59.220 that the NBA is not going to require vaccines for the players. As for the refs, the arena staff and

00:22:06.120 other game day personnel whose duties require them to be within 15 feet of the players. Well, they all

00:22:12.180 have to get one. Just like if you want to kneel down next to AOC at the Met Gala, you better have

00:22:18.100 your mask over your face, but she's not going to have hers. And this is becoming a theme, you know,

00:22:23.380 from Gavin Newsom and the French laundry to, um, you know, all these politicians that we've seen

00:22:28.840 throughout trying to skirt the rules, sort of issue these mask mandates, and then skirt off to the city

00:22:33.500 limits to go have a maskless outing. Um, and now it comes to sports. What do you make of it?

00:22:39.200 The NBA has been working on this for, for a long time. I mean, many, many months ago,

00:22:42.840 they mandated that everyone essentially who is not a player pretty much has to have a vaccine.

00:22:49.240 So that's the referees. It's the folks who work on the team, the, the players association or one

00:22:54.540 of these team team, uh, people who represent the players themselves says that 75% of the players

00:23:00.060 are vaccinated. And they've been going back and forth about this insane scheme by which they

00:23:05.020 would separate players and have lockers for the unvaccinated on the other side of the arena.

00:23:09.380 And you'd have to ride in a different section of the plane. You have to eat separate from everyone

00:23:13.240 else. There are a couple of things come to mind immediately. It is hard for me to believe that

00:23:17.320 if that 25% included mostly just marginal players, as opposed to superstars who've been,

00:23:23.080 I don't know, a little cagey when asked directly whether or not they want to get vaccinated or have

00:23:28.420 been vaccinated LeBron James. Um, so I, I think if it wasn't for the big money guys saying no to this,

00:23:35.960 that they would probably move on and just do the mandate for all of the players and the players

00:23:41.560 would do it because the WNBA is apparently like 99% vaccinated and has been for some time now.

00:23:47.940 Look, look at the situation we're now in. Thanks to Biden's executive order. We've got nurses who

00:23:52.400 have had COVID who have natural immunity, who are about to get their asses fired if they don't get

00:23:57.200 a vaccine that they do not appear to need. Um, but so they're going to get fired and they're not

00:24:02.300 going to be able to take care of people who are going to the hospitals who didn't get vaccinated,

00:24:05.800 right? They won't be there anymore to take care of them because they think their natural immunity

00:24:10.240 ought to be good enough in the same way Rand Paul thinks his ought to be good enough. And the studies

00:24:13.840 are suggesting you may even have better, uh, better immunity if you had COVID, but you can have,

00:24:19.840 you can have basketball players running around on the court because I guess Biden's order doesn't

00:24:24.020 encompass them, um, who are unvaccinated. And that's just fine because what science I'm,

00:24:31.060 I'm thinking it's more like money and elitism and their ability to earn a bunch of money for

00:24:36.400 people who own sports teams and arenas. Well, one part of it, at least they're not

00:24:41.040 the basketball players, uh, are not, uh, themselves being, uh, hypocrites about it.

00:24:46.760 They're not spending all of their time telling everybody that they really need to get vaccinated

00:24:49.920 and come on, stop being all, all, uh, uh, hesitant in the South or wherever they're not doing

00:24:56.020 that. That's unlike, no, they're like, did you hear what happened to Nicki Minaj's cousin's friend?

00:25:00.400 I guess you're free. Just for the record, I don't think it was the big testicles. That

00:25:09.640 was the problem. Allegedly. It was the alleged impotence that followed the big balls.

00:25:14.120 Megan, you're really following this story closely.

00:25:20.240 I'm just saying it's kind of interesting. What happened? Like how big

00:25:23.460 all of this stuff, um, makes me realize that the, the world is gaslighting me and is gaslighting all

00:25:38.340 of us because, you know, if you go back, you know, a hundred years, 75 years, et cetera,

00:25:44.400 you look at people who would identify themselves as socialists and as working class. And let's take,

00:25:51.140 you know, just a certain acronym to politician, uh, supposedly from Queens, AOC who referred to

00:25:58.440 herself. So not from Queens, by the way. No, no, she's from, she's like from Yorktown Heights is a

00:26:03.180 nice area in Westchester, which is a rich. She's from, she's from Westchester. Uh, she referred to

00:26:08.800 herself as a, as a working, uh, a working class woman of color, you know, who, you know, is a celebrity

00:26:15.240 and drives a Tesla and is in Congress and is on television all the time, like, like the average

00:26:19.680 working class person. Right. And we are asked to believe that somebody wearing a tax, the rich

00:26:25.780 dress and started to transition to this, but there's so much overlap between the NBA and this

00:26:30.120 is the most offensive thing about this. And good God, it's hard to keep track of the offensive things

00:26:34.880 about this was the initial video of the Beatles like crowd pulling their hair and screaming,

00:26:41.240 taking photos of her as she was getting into her limo, uh, and a masked person, a masked pleb,

00:26:47.880 or as Megan referred to them as serfs, the serfs behind them, holding the train of her,

00:26:53.280 what? $30,000 dress, whatever it was to get into a car, the working class woman with, uh, the designer

00:27:00.100 who sells $2,000 boots and her, uh, boyfriend who was the son of Edgar Bronfman, the, uh, owner of

00:27:07.500 Seagram's a billionaire. Um, and then we're supposed to be told, we're told the same day

00:27:12.080 that this is a working class person. There's a point at which I got to figure out what drugs I'm

00:27:16.940 taking in the morning and not realizing it. She was like, she was a bartender. So I guess she gets

00:27:24.060 to claim that she's working class forever. Mark is like, I w I used to be a cocktail waitress.

00:27:27.760 So am I still working class? So I get to just pretend nothing happened from that point to this

00:27:32.120 great. I'm working. I don't think that works. I don't think that works. Yeah.

00:27:35.300 And those pictures, Camille, those pictures from the Met Gala are infuriating. It's, it's,

00:27:40.720 it's so many things, right? It's like the serfs down on their knees, literally while these

00:27:44.480 pretend stars, these wannabe stars walks, step over them with their masks off. It's the fact

00:27:50.600 that your kids and mine are in school all day with these muzzles over their faces, which I don't want.

00:27:55.780 And I can't do anything about it, but they can go into the Met, which by the way, has a vaccine

00:28:00.600 mandatory policy and, and requires masks and they didn't follow it. Nobody gives a damn.

00:28:05.300 Uh, and they can parade around without their masks all day long. While these guys, including

00:28:08.860 Mayor de Blasio are the very ones who are responsible for kids like Matt's having to

00:28:12.680 wear masks all day in school, but he didn't, he can parade around the Met mask free because science

00:28:16.820 again. Yeah. The stated goals of these mandates are our health and getting the unvaccinated to

00:28:23.080 actually decide to finally get vaccinated. But when we've looked at polling related to the people

00:28:27.760 who've said that, yeah, I'm not vaccinated. Most of them say they don't plan to get vaccinated

00:28:32.840 for various reasons. Um, but for the ones who are just sitting it out because they're a little

00:28:37.540 nervous, they're uncertain. I mean, I know from personal experience, I've been talking to my mom

00:28:41.420 who is among the unvaccinated. She's skeptical. She's afraid. I haven't seen her in a very long

00:28:46.240 time. And I'm encouraging her to do this thing. We were making progress. Once the mandate came down,

00:28:52.660 I found myself at starting block again, trying to persuade her that this is something we should

00:28:59.320 work on. I'm not sure she knows who Nicki Minaj is, but she does, but she does hear what the

00:29:04.660 president says. And, and I have to, I have to think that for a number of people, the insistence that

00:29:10.140 you have to do this or else, um, the insistence that you must do this right now, because it's

00:29:15.600 totally fine. And that's how we're going to force you to do it. Also, we need to protect the,

00:29:19.800 the vaccinated by keeping the unvaccinated separate from them. It's almost so incoherent.

00:29:26.840 And I don't think that this is the most sane strategy to try to get people to actually trust

00:29:32.580 that this makes sense. Family members are working with people. Community members are working with

00:29:36.860 people. I've been making progress with her and it really does feel like the, the push,

00:29:41.660 the insistence that, that she do this or else, um, actually created more of an obstacle for us to

00:29:47.240 overcome as opposed to making it every turn. He's undermined his message, right? He's like,

00:29:51.300 he's out there saying we've got to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated. It's like,

00:29:55.460 well, why isn't the vaccine, the thing that's going to protect me now I have to get it because

00:30:00.320 otherwise I'm still going to be really at, you know, vulnerable to people who choose not to get

00:30:04.500 it. And him constantly wearing his mask, even though he's six feet away from everybody,

00:30:08.340 he's in a completely safe space. Kamala Harris to both of them undermining the vaccine was,

00:30:13.200 when Trump was president saying they wouldn't take it under him. And now suddenly, because

00:30:16.820 again, science on January 20th, 2020, uh, 20, yeah, everything changed. People get it. People

00:30:23.280 like your mom are like, uh, you know, I'm, I'm losing faith in you and your messaging. And I don't

00:30:29.540 know. I just think people are ticked off guys. I feel like, you know, the thing with AOC, it's become

00:30:33.340 a national story. Not just, it's like the Met Gala and whoever the hell pays attention to the Met

00:30:37.120 Gala outside of New York city. But those images are bad. And if I were a celebrity,

00:30:42.160 JLo or whoever else is there, I'd be embarrassed to have been in the midst of it with my mask off

00:30:48.160 with the, you know, Glenn Greenwald had a great, of course, as usual, he had a great write-up of

00:30:52.780 the whole thing. I'm not going to be able to do it justice, but he was talking about, you know,

00:30:55.960 the elitism that was on display there, how gross it was and how, um, basically what they were

00:31:00.860 trying to say was, um, there's no need for noses or mouths or other identifiable facial features

00:31:07.100 for those who are converted into servile robots. He said, um, once again, what we're seeing is

00:31:13.980 elites prancing around in the middle of a pandemic maskless while those paid an hourly wage to serve

00:31:18.540 them or desperately trying to snap a photo of them were required to keep their pointless faces

00:31:23.680 covered with cloth at all times.

00:31:26.060 This is the thing. I mean, people tend to forget this about Glenn, who's a frequent guest on our

00:31:31.560 podcast, been on a bunch of times, uh, is that Glenn is an old school leftist in this is a classic

00:31:36.620 issue for an old school leftist class warrior, right? You see these rich people, whether they're

00:31:41.620 AOC or not. I mean, I can't imagine, you know, uh, Lenin or, or, you know, Stalin being like,

00:31:47.460 I'm going to go to the ball, uh, that the Romanovs are throwing with this really fancy

00:31:51.540 tunic on that says, you know, uh, shoot, shoot the Romanovs. I mean, it's insane. Like,

00:31:56.140 can you imagine, honestly, can you imagine Bernie Sanders doing this? I've interviewed Bernie a

00:32:00.140 couple of times. I have respect for Bernie. I disagree with almost everything he says on a

00:32:04.460 policy level, but you know, I have a certain level of respect for him. Bernie's not going to

00:32:09.200 the Met. There is a dignified way from the privacy of his three houses. Yeah. Yeah. He's like,

00:32:15.420 I'm staying in the one in Vermont tonight and he's not, I'm not going to New York and he's,

00:32:21.540 he's a New York accent. That's the only thing you need. But it is into the point about messaging.

00:32:26.400 I think this is really, really important and often overlooked. And Megan, you pointed out when,

00:32:31.540 when Biden came up and said, you know, we have to protect us vaccinated people from the unvaccinated

00:32:37.360 and whether it's somebody like Camille's mother, whether it's just the average person trying to

00:32:42.500 figure out what all this stuff means in what the public health officials have done is that they

00:32:48.720 treat Americans like dumb children. So they err on the side of the worst case scenario. What does

00:32:55.220 that do? It undermines confidence in the efficacy of the vaccine. Cause you say there's breakthrough

00:32:59.940 cases. You could spread it. You could do this. They never talk about the very, very small amount of

00:33:05.600 breakthrough cases relative. We heard so much about what happened at bear week in Provincetown. If you

00:33:11.480 don't know what I'm talking about, Google it, but just not on your work computer, and there was the

00:33:17.400 X number, 800 people in a very, very particular scenario, right? And this is what started the

00:33:22.580 Delta panic. And how many people were hospitalized? A handful. How many people died? Zero. That's not

00:33:28.840 what we heard. We heard, this is what can actually happen. These are the breakthrough cases. So we've been

00:33:32.880 relying so heavily on trying to scare people into getting a vaccine. But the irony of it is the scare

00:33:40.140 message undermines the idea of the efficacy of the vaccine, which is just, no one is noticing it.

00:33:46.300 Andrew Sullivan came on the show and he explained bear week. And then he lives in Provincetown and he

00:33:50.980 explained bear week. And he said that there's a different week. I think it's the, before bear week,

00:33:54.860 there's circuit week. Circuit week, he explained is for gay men who are on like the gym circuit,

00:34:00.740 who are ripped. They don't, they wouldn't be caught dead at bear week. That's, you know,

00:34:04.680 that's like the older, softer gay man's week. And then he, I said, are you, which one are you?

00:34:09.820 I, I, I, I dissed him inadvertently by saying he was a bear and he told me he's a daddy.

00:34:15.660 Anyway, it was a great interview and he was his normal, clever self. You should go listen.

00:34:20.440 I'm learning from you today, Megan.

00:34:22.020 There's a lot. I'm your own Dr. Fauci.

00:34:26.120 I would be remiss not to share with, uh, with the listeners and viewers that Andrew Sullivan came

00:34:31.260 on the fifth column pod podcast. And for 10 minutes talked about balls in Provincetown.

00:34:37.100 It's a theme world pools. And yeah, conservative people are doing it.

00:34:42.800 But here's the thing. Not only, I mean, it really is infuriating because we lectured by these virtue

00:34:48.000 signalers all the time. And they all, they also change policy in a way that affects us, our kids

00:34:52.560 and so on. And we're, we're at their mercy right now. You know, people are going to get fired because

00:34:56.220 of Biden's order. Uh, and I'm pro vaccine. I took the vaccine. I hope everybody takes the vaccine,

00:35:00.600 but I don't like the shaming and the demonization of whole classes of Americans. I was thinking about

00:35:05.000 you guys. Cause I really don't like the big thumb of big government and you know, you guys are

00:35:09.120 libertarians and to see like that thumb is everywhere. It's everywhere. We turn from our

00:35:14.780 lives to our schools. And there was this one clip that sort of espoused, it sort of shows the

00:35:19.700 attitude of those enforcing these policies with our kids, with others. This one's out of Illinois

00:35:24.020 where, take a listen to this school worker who catches a kid not wearing his mask properly.

00:35:30.220 Oh no. You're playing? Are you playing? No, I'm not. Otherwise I will call the police.

00:35:35.180 I'm serious. Are you serious? Yeah, I am serious, man. I am having enough of it. I knew you were

00:35:43.680 going to take off your mask the moment I turned the corner. So enjoy BIA. That's a school suspension

00:35:52.080 where you have to sit in the room with the military guy all day because you're a piece of

00:35:57.240 Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. That's amazing. That guy needs help. He needs a vacation. He's well,

00:36:04.900 he lost his job. He was forced to resign, which fine. Oh, that's good. I'm happy. I have to say

00:36:11.920 I'm happy because you can't have that a guy like that, that uptight, that torqued up working around

00:36:17.080 kids who, you know, oh yeah, try to skirt the mask policy here or there. I mean, Chicago was one of

00:36:22.220 the worst situations for keeping schools closed, not just in their, the union's intransigence on

00:36:30.400 the issue, but the way that they messaged it. There was a message directly from the Chicago's

00:36:34.620 teachers union in December, 2020, saying that people who want to open schools, which is what

00:36:42.420 schools are supposed to be open, educate kids. Uh, people who want to do that, uh, that, that was

00:36:47.240 a function of white supremacy. Of course that it was, uh, that it was racism. And, uh, I was writing

00:36:52.940 about it at the time and, and kind of looking into some of the, um, the messaging by the union by

00:36:58.360 teachers. And they would say that all the time. There'd be guys like that guy writing with the same

00:37:01.980 pitch. Like you just want to kill all of the minorities. It's like, well, or, or we want kids who

00:37:11.120 are minorities, but predominantly in the Chicago system to stop being so poorly served by remote

00:37:16.160 learning and go to the safest possible place, which is a school building. Um, that's kind of

00:37:20.540 the opposite of what you were just talking about there, but that is what, uh, so many teachers and

00:37:25.620 teachers union message anytime. And you know, you, all you guys know this, anytime you, uh, express in

00:37:31.120 a public setting or in social media, anything like, Hey, we ought to have the schools open. Um, you will

00:37:37.300 get someone who is either a teacher or claiming to be a teacher come in and say, you want to kill

00:37:43.380 children and people. You want to kill me while, you know, uh, I I'm working in such a dangerous

00:37:48.840 setting. Um, and also you're probably racist. It's, it's bananas and it's totally widespread.

00:37:54.860 Yeah. I mean, to be a racist murderer is just especially bad.

00:37:58.700 Yeah. That's what, that's what's driving my friends in New York crazy. I've told the story before

00:38:02.940 my one friend went to an open the schools rally. That's it. She's wanted to open the schools.

00:38:06.740 We wanted two little kids to go back to school and she was called a white supremacist. And she

00:38:10.400 was like, wait, what? Um, but wait, she's, she's, you have to see, you have to put on your special

00:38:16.700 glasses to see it. She's in good company because apparently all of our founders and now the

00:38:21.000 national archives are being accused of white supremacy. And there was a push now to put

00:38:25.860 trigger warnings all over our founding documents. I'm going to bring that up right after this very

00:38:31.380 quick break with the guys. Very happy to have the guys from the fifth column podcast,

00:38:35.480 Michael Moynihan, Matt Welch, and Camille Foster. We're going to get into that and we'll talk about

00:38:39.720 what's happening with, um, general Millie in just a bit.

00:38:47.640 Welcome back everyone to the Megan Kelly show. Joining me today, the hosts of the fifth column

00:38:51.540 podcaster here, Michael Moynihan, Matt Welch, and Camille Foster. So we've got to talk about

00:38:56.280 the national archives. Um, I love Jonathan Turley's blog. It's been so good for so many years. He's

00:39:02.900 brilliant. He's, uh, inside the college system. He's a, he's a professor and he keeps an eye on

00:39:09.660 all things legal. And in particular, all things inside the beltway, the national archives mistakenly

00:39:16.320 created some anti-racism task force. And what they have found is a need to quote, re-imagine

00:39:22.860 our national archives. You guys are going to love this. So if you ever gone to DC, you go to the

00:39:27.220 rotunda there, the national archives, and you see like these, this beautiful murals, uh, the

00:39:31.980 declaration of independence, the constitution, the bill of rights. And what this group has concluded

00:39:36.680 is that these are an example of structural racism. They objected the display in the rotunda because it

00:39:43.660 lauds wealthy white men while marginalizing BIPOC, right? That's, um, black indigenous people of

00:39:51.060 color, women, and other minority communities. And what they want is for an, a re-imagination of the

00:39:57.960 space to be more inclusive, including possible dance and performance art because that'll solve it.

00:40:08.340 Constitutional dance.

00:40:09.420 Yes.

00:40:11.460 Okay. There's more, but let's just start there. I'll get to the more in one second. What do you

00:40:16.240 think? I want to do the third, the third amendment shuffle. I was so, I was so astonished to learn

00:40:24.060 that this was, was actually a real thing. Um, and then to go to the national archives website and to

00:40:29.100 read the warning, the potentially harmful content warning attached to the constitution of the United

00:40:34.900 States, the document that Frederick Douglass referred to as a glorious liberty document.

00:40:39.640 If only he knew that he was completely infected by white supremacy. So infected that he believed this

00:40:46.200 great departure from a history of our species generally being in bondage, right? Like our,

00:40:53.540 our entire species had pretty much known that the United States was a departure from a past in which

00:41:00.860 most people had been subjugated in some way, shape or form. And the attempt to set up an experiment where

00:41:07.620 we would have people generally have a certain amount of Liberty and the government be constrained

00:41:13.640 in some sort of way and an expectation that we would improve on this thing over time. And the

00:41:18.500 notion that these people think that we need a warning on this is just so it's, it's outrageous,

00:41:23.340 but it's also one of those things where I think at some points, like it's important to leaven our,

00:41:28.380 our outrage and our contempt with ridicule, like just good natured ridicule and maybe a little

00:41:33.800 sympathy for these cool brains dopes who think that it's absolutely essential for them to slap

00:41:40.320 warning labels on anything that might be remotely offensive. At this point, it seems that anything

00:41:44.900 but, you know, a cup of, of clean water, like at room temperature, not too cold, not too hot is,

00:41:50.820 is unacceptable and potentially dangerous to someone in America. And there's something dreadfully wrong

00:41:56.140 with that.

00:41:56.520 How weak are these people? You, you tell me, cause they, you imagine somebody coming over

00:42:01.340 from Europe, from wherever to take a look at this incredible place and these incredible documents

00:42:06.540 and what they see is going to be, thanks to this group, new signage that would contain trigger warnings

00:42:12.380 to protect tourists from trauma in seeing the founding documents. Visitors would now be warned

00:42:20.640 that the documents may quote contain harmful language that reflects attitudes and biases

00:42:27.000 of their time. Well, duh, what they want is, uh, trigger warnings all over the place that would

00:42:34.020 forewarn audiences of content that may cause intense psychological and psychological physiological

00:42:42.120 and psychological symptoms.

00:42:45.000 Who are?

00:42:45.440 Is it convulsions?

00:42:47.680 I mean, most people who would have that reaction are institutionalized. They're not going to the

00:42:53.640 national archives. They are not institutionalized by sweating, screaming at the top of your lungs

00:43:01.640 because you read the bill of rights. There is something wrong with you. We should not cater to

00:43:07.940 the 0.001%. I mean, Camille's thing is right. It just ridicules the best thing because these,

00:43:13.020 the people that are running America's national archives, these are the crown jewels of the

00:43:18.500 American system of governance and of American history are this dopey and stupid that we have

00:43:24.820 a major, major issue. And the thing is, of course, that they presume that everybody in America is dopey

00:43:29.900 and stupid, that they cannot actually adjudicate, you know, right from wrong looking at documents of the

00:43:36.240 past. There's a myth that undergirds a lot of this stuff and we really, really have to get rid of it,

00:43:41.820 but it's impossible to do is that people don't know about this stuff. Otherwise, if you go to

00:43:47.420 Florida and I went down there to cover the CRT stuff and I went to the school board meetings and

00:43:51.920 the statewide ones, local ones. And, you know, people don't recognize this. It is law in Florida

00:43:59.000 that you teach about slavery. This is not something that is being alighted by the schools.

00:44:03.980 It's not as if some kid is going to the national archives and if they're, you know, five years

00:44:08.940 old, they're not going to get anything anyway, but who is 18 years old, 17 years old, who has never

00:44:13.700 heard of slavery and this, this original sin of America. But we are very, very obsessed at the

00:44:20.300 moment with casting the past in the most negative light possible, because as I've said before, you can

00:44:26.800 do this and try it. You can write a book, you can teach a class where it is all unalloyed positive

00:44:33.240 things about America and it will be true. You can also do a class, a book, whatever that is all

00:44:40.120 unalloyed negative things about America and it will be true. History is complicated. Don't tell

00:44:45.640 people that you're going to hurt, get your feelings hurt. If you read a document that actually reflects

00:44:50.580 a different time in history. And as Camille pointed out, we have been in a state of, you know,

00:44:56.240 enslavement and enslaving people for thousands and thousands of years. It's endemic in every culture.

00:45:01.000 And William Wilberforce comes along and, you know, you know, William Lloyd Garrison, the Liberator,

00:45:07.380 we have a great, great history of that too, which we should actually look back on and celebrate and

00:45:13.000 say, we did some positive things in a very, very negative environment with some negative aspects

00:45:17.400 to our history. Megan, you said that, that, you know, they shouldn't have, it's unfortunate that

00:45:22.300 they have this task force. Well, it's a underreported thing about the Biden administration is that

00:45:26.600 literally on day one of his administration, he signed a whole of government executive order,

00:45:32.020 um, uh, tasking every single department agency, um, uh, anything with doing a full kind of equity

00:45:40.660 body scan, essentially to, to make sure that, uh, the hiring, uh, is reflective of, uh, needs of equity,

00:45:48.580 uh, that, uh, the, uh, outcomes of whatever that the department is doing of its laws are doing.

00:45:54.840 So this, you know, there is an entire, uh, infrastructure of people who are being hired

00:45:59.040 up. They need things to do, and this is what they're doing. And if you're going to do it at

00:46:03.380 all, which you shouldn't, but if you're going to do it, I mean, it's really all about the

00:46:06.400 Declaration of Independence. Anyways, all that savage stuff. Like it's pretty rough. Yeah.

00:46:11.720 It's like, you're going to go look for equity and inclusion back at, you know, in 1776,

00:46:16.280 you're not going to be fine. A lot of women are people of color. That's just the facts,

00:46:19.660 but to say that, and this is part of the pitch, we must create safe spaces at every facility

00:46:26.060 run by the national archives. And we have to do something about that famous mural because it's

00:46:30.600 an homage to white America. I mean, history was what it was. That's who was running the country.

00:46:35.180 That's who came up with the founding documents. It like, that's who feels upset about it. It's a

00:46:40.560 lamentation that that's how we got started, but we fixed it. You know, it's not perfect,

00:46:44.920 but I don't look at the fact that in the Declaration of Independence is all men are

00:46:48.260 created equal and feel upset. I have to go to a safe space. And it's pathetic to me that anybody

00:46:53.920 would. Okay. We have so much more to cover with the guys, including what's happened with General

00:46:58.720 Milley. And now the Biden administration requiring immigrants coming over the border to be vaccinated.

00:47:04.560 That's what they claim. It's actually not true. We're going to pick it up there in just a couple

00:47:08.460 of minutes. Welcome back everyone to the Megan Kelly show. Joining me today, hosts of the fifth

00:47:17.460 column podcast, Michael Moynihan, Matt Welch, and Camille Foster. At the bottom of the hour,

00:47:22.060 I'm going to be taking your calls. We're new, you know, sort of figuring out the call situation

00:47:25.080 and it's been too squeezed so far. It's been too like, we don't know if somebody's going to call.

00:47:29.460 We don't leave too much time. What if nobody comes? We throw a party, nobody comes, right? So

00:47:33.380 today call in and we're going to get a bunch of calls and we're leaving enough time. That is my

00:47:37.780 promise to you today. I'm throwing the party. You better come. 83344 Megan, M-E-G-Y-N. That's

00:47:43.660 8334463496. All right, guys, let's talk about General Milley. Yeah, you can call back. I'll say

00:47:51.540 goodbye to you guys. You can call back in just in case. Calling in Megan's mom again. She's like,

00:48:00.100 I'm sick of that Dr. Fawcett. That's what my mom said. Dr. Fawcett. I should get Camille's mom.

00:48:06.460 Yeah, she doesn't know. She would say the same thing, actually. She's not aware he was sexiest

00:48:12.040 man alive and the Guardian really seems to mean it. By the way, wait a minute, let me see if I can

00:48:16.680 find it because the quotes on that were so good. Hold on. What did I do with them? I'll come back to

00:48:20.660 it later because it's worth reading what they said about Dr. Fawcett. But first, let's talk about

00:48:24.840 General Milley. This is a shit storm. General Milley, I think, did some stuff he really shouldn't

00:48:30.100 have been doing. And I actually I'm not one of those to be like, and he should go and he should

00:48:33.400 go. But I think General Milley needs to go. So I'll just tell you what I think on it. General Milley,

00:48:38.660 it comes out now. We haven't seen the book, but the early accounts of Bob Woodward's latest book

00:48:43.280 are that General Milley in the final days of Donald Trump's presidency, two days after the January 6th

00:48:49.940 attack and then thereafter, was doing a couple of things. He was he quote, single handedly took secret

00:48:56.380 action to limit Trump from potentially ordering a dangerous military strike or launching nuclear

00:49:00.420 weapons, according to this book, which is called Peril. He worried that Trump could go rogue.

00:49:05.860 He called a secret meeting in his Pentagon office on January 8th to review the process for military

00:49:11.460 action. This is from a report from CNN, including launching nuclear weapons, speaking to senior

00:49:17.340 military officials in charge of the National Military Command Center, the Pentagon's war room.

00:49:21.140 General Milley instructed them not to take orders from anyone unless he was personally involved.

00:49:28.960 He was afraid based on, quote, Trump's erratic erratic behavior. And in addition to all that,

00:49:35.500 you know, pulling aside the top military brass and saying, do nothing without going through me first.

00:49:39.980 He also had two back channel phone calls with his counterpart in China,

00:49:44.620 alerting this guy that he, Milley, would let him know before anything happened.

00:49:51.140 Like if Trump issued some sort of an order with respect to a military strike, what? That's not

00:49:58.760 OK. I'm no military expert. That's not OK. And we were seeing we're seeing a lot of people,

00:50:03.220 top military guys left and right, say, sorry, but no, that's civilian. That's taking civilian command

00:50:08.940 over the commander in chief who's been, you know, duly elected president of the United States.

00:50:14.000 And he still was as of that date. Your thoughts.

00:50:17.040 And this is another demonstration about of, you know, how partisanship and particularly,

00:50:22.180 you know, Trump hating partisanship has demented the brains of so many people. I mean, this is so

00:50:27.400 clear. If if Bob Costa and Bob Woodward, who wrote this book together and, you know, Woodward's had some

00:50:34.540 accuracy problems in the past, Robert Costa has not. I have a lot more faith in him. And,

00:50:39.580 you know, General Milley did release a statement and the White House. No one denied this at this

00:50:44.700 point. So it seems as if it is true. But, you know, when you saw Jen Psaki and, you know, can we

00:50:51.160 finally treat her like we treated Sean Spicer? We know that the job of these people is to lie.

00:50:56.920 Right. Totally.

00:50:57.360 But she does it with such eagerness and alacrity in this whole thing. She got the January 6th

00:51:04.800 insurrection into the question from one of the Ducey boys. It sounds like a gang. The Ducey boys.

00:51:11.900 Peter Ducey, son of Steve Ducey.

00:51:13.900 Steve Ducey? Is it which one? Yeah, yeah. Peter Ducey asked the question and she's like, you know,

00:51:18.440 we were dealing with an insurrection at the time and blah, blah, blah. And it's like, yeah, yeah,

00:51:22.200 no, that's not how it works. This is literally not how this works. And if you ask people

00:51:25.800 in the military chain of command, they will say very much the same thing. The most disturbing part

00:51:30.840 about this, of course, the quote that you read, Megan, which is when General Aldrich Ames decided

00:51:38.060 to tip off the Chinese and say, hey, I'll tell you that. No, you don't get to do that. Who told

00:51:44.820 you you could do that? Somebody tell General Milley. That's you can't do that. And the amazing

00:51:49.640 thing about this is that the Biden administration is defending it because the president is,

00:51:55.800 a lunatic, you know, I mean, fine. You can have that argument. What was that word? What

00:52:00.180 is that? Probably on your side in some way. But but there was no sense that there was going

00:52:06.460 to be like, really, is anyone trying to quantify that there was actually a threat of a nuke

00:52:12.580 attack on China? No, no. I mean, we discussed this the other day. All three of us discussed

00:52:17.440 the other day. Donald Trump's foreign policy over four years in the aggressive nature of

00:52:24.380 it was the continuation of the ISIS campaign, which was a good policy and throwing 75 Tomahawk

00:52:31.340 missiles into the desert in Syria. And it was not hyper aggressive when it came to foreign

00:52:36.980 policy. So it's a very odd thing that he believes that he's going to launch a nuclear war and decides

00:52:42.560 to do an end run around the chain of command at the last minute, which is not his remit.

00:52:48.260 And keep in mind that General McChrystal spoke to, you know, out of turn in front of, I think,

00:52:54.900 Michael Hastings, the Rolling Stone reporter in Barack Obama fired him as he should have.

00:52:59.540 And Barack Obama wrote in a kind of apologetic way in his memoir, like three or four pages about this.

00:53:05.200 And his argument is entirely solid. He said, look, I don't want to do this,

00:53:08.480 but you cannot go. There is a chain of command. He actually uses that phrase in the book.

00:53:13.740 And if we think that's okay, and what they should have done, what he should have done,

00:53:17.340 Millie, if he had a problem, was do what General Mattis did. Walk away.

00:53:21.900 Fire. Yeah. Fire yourself.

00:53:23.820 Fire yourself and say, this is the problem. Take it and speak out.

00:53:27.100 I mean, Millie, I feel a little bit.

00:53:28.180 Let me play devil's advocate and get you guys to respond then. Okay. So

00:53:31.680 for people who are defending this, say like, well, Trump's a lunatic. Trump's insane.

00:53:36.060 Trump. Who knows what Trump was saying behind the scenes? No. At the time,

00:53:39.560 he wasn't talking about China so much as I was robbed. It was stolen and, you know, fraud.

00:53:44.800 But who knows what he was hearing? And isn't it good to have an adult in the room behind?

00:53:49.700 And if you thought really this insane lunatic president was about to launch a nuke

00:53:53.240 on China for some reason, didn't he have an obligation to protect us?

00:53:58.580 You have tools at your disposal. You can resign. You could you could use other members of Congress

00:54:04.440 in the Senate. You could appeal to many, many people who don't happen to be members of the CCP.

00:54:10.100 That is an option at all times. I think it's also worth worth mentioning. Well, two things. One,

00:54:15.940 General Aldrich Ames Moynihan. That's pretty good. That's bad for anyone who missed that.

00:54:20.220 That's good. You should rewind it and listen again. First, Google who Aldrich Ames is so you know.

00:54:24.220 You have to square this with other things that we were seeing said about the president and his

00:54:32.180 conduct at the time that the president was talking openly about if I'm leaving here, here's a memo.

00:54:38.380 These are the things I want to do. Get out of Afghanistan. Get out of Iraq and Syria.

00:54:42.280 Completely withdraw from Africa and Germany. Germany. Yeah. I had a very difficult time

00:54:48.220 understanding how anyone could think that it's likely he's going to release a bunch of nukes in that

00:54:53.340 moment. Also nuke China. Again, there are options. Well, you need those people in Germany to nuke

00:54:58.300 China, Camille. The thing about the thing about contacting the Chinese and saying, I'm going to

00:55:04.300 let you know, just in case he's about to launch a nuke up your, you know, you what? That's insane.

00:55:09.900 I mean, I can see why people are throwing around the word treason, because that actually could endanger

00:55:13.920 the United States. I mean, just putting that on the table like it's a thing that Millie's been

00:55:19.120 exposed to and feels so strongly about. He's got to reach out to his Chinese counterpart and,

00:55:24.660 you know, give him the flag on it. That that could create danger for U.S. citizens that didn't

00:55:32.340 exist prior to the phone call. And the fact that the Biden administration is giving this a big

00:55:37.360 shoulder shrug is correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Barack Obama's vice president was Joe

00:55:42.160 Biden. So he's lived through this in a way before, but not as severe is it's upsetting. I understand

00:55:49.320 loyalty. I guess I get that he likes Millie, but this is about something much bigger than liking

00:55:54.600 General Millie. And the thing that to Moynihan's point about how people's views on Trump warp their

00:56:01.100 brain and their assessment of various things. And also there's a kind of a default Washington

00:56:06.380 establishment feeling about U.S. foreign policy in the world that is probably more aggressive

00:56:14.460 and institutional than certainly than Trump, but also largely the American people. These things play

00:56:20.260 with one another. A thing that does not get as much outrage as a result of those phenomenon is that

00:56:26.760 a bunch of military brass, including Millie, at various points during the Trump administration,

00:56:32.160 openly lied to the president of the United States about troop levels and military adventures in

00:56:40.140 Afghanistan. They openly and bragged later, John Kelly bragged about Trump coming to him saying,

00:56:47.440 I want to get out of Afghanistan in 2017. And they basically filibustered him. They put him off.

00:56:53.460 They kept trying to prevent the president of the United States from making his commander in chief

00:57:00.520 decisions about withdrawing from America's wars abroad. This is not something that you should brag

00:57:06.020 out. There's a great piece in Axios from, I believe, May of last year that or May of this year that talked

00:57:14.180 in great length about how Millie and a bunch of other generals openly tried to prevent Trump from

00:57:22.080 carrying out his preferred foreign policy, which is to get the hell out of Afghanistan. That's a big

00:57:27.560 problem. You can't have the military lying to the president and not doing what the president wants.

00:57:33.320 And that's such a different category of problem than, oh, my God, he's going to nuke China.

00:57:37.060 Right. The foreign policy conception of Trump, which was almost always a weird and wrong and

00:57:42.400 reflecting of biases, was that, OK, he's just a lunatic, so he might do a lunatic thing.

00:57:47.020 And also somehow a lunatic thing would be to withdraw from 20 year wars that have no

00:57:53.320 real reason for continuing to exist. It's it's it scrambles the brain.

00:57:58.080 Well, the press on Afghanistan has been really disgusting. I mean, as of late there there they

00:58:02.860 were interested when it was falling apart. Now they've moved on. And yet you still have all these

00:58:06.900 aid groups over there saying the administration is still lying to us. There aren't 100 Americans

00:58:11.640 over there. There's more like a thousand. A lot of these aid groups are saying it's it's definitely

00:58:15.540 several hundred. And it's not just American citizens. It's green card holders. And that's so

00:58:19.800 that's not even counting the Afghan allies and all the others who we've left behind.

00:58:24.120 Here's my point. No one seems to care. And what we're being told by Blinken is that we're going

00:58:28.240 to lead with our diplomacy still. And the reports out right now are that the Taliban's going over

00:58:33.460 there, finding people who worked with the Afghan army or were in the Afghan army, despite their claims

00:58:38.520 that they would grant them amnesty, which we've decided to pretend we believe and beheading them,

00:58:43.880 beheading them. There was a report out this week saying a nine and 10 year old boy were beheaded.

00:58:48.540 There have been confirmed reports of multiple families having a father, a father within the

00:58:54.180 family beheaded in front of them. This, as these aid groups are saying, they're desperately trying

00:58:59.140 to get all these Americans and green card holders and allies out. They said that they've got between

00:59:04.700 two twenty five hundred and three thousand people fully vetted already. So we know that these are not

00:59:09.020 bad guys trying to sneak into the United States interpreters and so on. State Department will not

00:59:13.580 move on it. And we've got people getting killed every day who helped us. And meanwhile,

00:59:17.820 what you hear from Blinken is we're leading with our diplomacy.

00:59:21.080 Yeah. Diplomacy is not a policy. Diplomacy can be a number of things, but one thing it most

00:59:27.560 certainly isn't is some sort of blanket policy. I mean, you're right about I don't think that the

00:59:32.660 administration is naive about this. I just think they're lying about it because what do you do if

00:59:36.480 you don't say you're leading with diplomacy? Well, you have to say that. So you have to rechristen

00:59:40.800 things as Taliban Taliban 2.0, right? This is the new guys. They're different from the old guys.

00:59:46.600 But, you know, meet the new boss, same as the old boss. And that's absolutely the case.

00:59:50.280 And what do we expect from a seventh century death cult?

00:59:55.580 Yeah. Well, they execute people who work with the infidels, with the Kufar Americans. So there's

01:00:03.560 nothing surprising about this. But what does surprise me, I was I was on the subway coming in today

01:00:08.900 and I was reading the news. There's a story this morning from the Associated Press.

01:00:12.500 And this is really remarkable. And I think that this is, again, what Trump has done to warp the

01:00:18.060 brains of so many people. Recall that everything that Trump said that was a lie and there were God,

01:00:23.220 there were lots of them. It would be followed with the the clause without evidence. Right.

01:00:28.620 Donald Trump said X comma without evidence. OK, let's stick to that because, you know, politicians lie.

01:00:32.660 That seems to have disappeared. Right. And not only has it disappeared, but they have just taken

01:00:36.800 the bait on essentially everything the administration says. And this is a piece

01:00:40.460 from the Associated Press today. And this is just the first sentence of it. Friction between pragmatists

01:00:45.720 and ideologues in the Taliban leadership has intensified. Pragmatists. Pragmatists.

01:00:51.940 Claims that the leader of the pragmatic faction, Abdul Ghani Baradar, was killed. Such hopes were

01:00:57.800 disappointed with the formulation of an all male, all Taliban lineup last week. Such hopes.

01:01:03.140 Oh, man. They seemed shocked that they were that there was the government who's coming

01:01:08.520 in is the Associated Press. They're saying it seems to have been dashed.

01:01:13.240 This is white supremacy in Afghanistan.

01:01:16.020 The pragmatists. Soon they're going to be sitting in the safe rooms at the National Archives.

01:01:20.120 I can't handle this.

01:01:21.840 I wonder if there's trigger warnings in the Taliban.

01:01:24.820 You know, this is what we'll do. We'll just send them an envelope.

01:01:28.940 Just be careful.

01:01:30.780 But no, it is an envelope full of stickers that they can embed to everything.

01:01:34.920 I mean, look, I...

01:01:36.100 There is no modern faction, guys.

01:01:37.480 I understand that people are, you know, they're pretending, right? They're pretending on Afghanistan

01:01:42.180 in many ways. But I have to say, you know, you guys, I don't know. Camille, you're younger

01:01:46.960 than I am. You guys look around my age.

01:01:50.060 I don't know how old you are, Megan, so I don't know if that's...

01:01:52.120 I'm 50. How old are you guys?

01:01:54.000 You turned 50?

01:01:55.360 Yeah, 5-0, baby.

01:01:56.880 Wow.

01:01:57.360 Well, is this why we can't see?

01:01:58.280 Wow.

01:01:58.800 Yeah.

01:01:59.940 Exactly right. You figured out my whole routine.

01:02:02.380 But my point is simply this, that, you know, I lived through 9-11 when I was an adult.

01:02:05.660 I was 30 when 9-11 happened. I remember it very well. It was terrifying, and it was awful

01:02:09.760 for the whole nation. We felt it on a deep and visceral level, and it happened because

01:02:13.660 the Taliban was housing a terrible group, Al-Qaeda, and allowing them to, you know, plan

01:02:18.160 and ultimately carry out terrorist attacks on us because they hate us for what we are,

01:02:21.980 for what we stand for, none of which has changed. Not one thing has changed. We're just as much

01:02:25.740 the West as we were then. And now you've got the Pentagon, you've got the State Department

01:02:30.580 admitting that they think between the latest number, which dovetails nicely on what Millie

01:02:35.100 said about a week or 10 days ago to Jennifer Griffin of Fox News, within 12 months, they

01:02:39.640 think we could very well likely see an attack on U.S. soil launched by Al-Qaeda from a safe,

01:02:44.860 you know, area within Afghanistan.

01:02:47.500 And of course, you know, the administration in defending this whole thing has said, oh,

01:02:51.260 they promised us they weren't going to allow that. They promised us they were going to

01:02:53.880 patrol Afghanistan. They were going to let it be a safe bed for terrorism. And I get that

01:02:57.980 we can't have endless wars and all that, but we could have kept a residual force there to

01:03:01.800 prevent the Cavalier probably within 12 months. Yeah, we're going to get hit. Well, who, where,

01:03:06.640 whose kid, whose person, whose town, whose home, whose friends? I don't feel Cavalier about

01:03:11.600 it at all. It's hard to know what what the risks are. I mean, one of the other lessons

01:03:15.940 of 9-11 is that we had a massive failure of our intelligence apparatus, organizations that

01:03:21.620 just were not talking to one another and a lot of inefficiencies there. And to the extent

01:03:26.740 we're going to keep the homeland safe, the reality is that it only takes so much to have

01:03:32.140 a Richard Reed shoe bomber type show up and attempt to take down a plane. We've seen lone wolf

01:03:39.600 actors do pretty significant damage in other circumstances. The reality is that what we need

01:03:44.380 is very serious, a very serious approach to counterterrorism, a lot of work domestically

01:03:50.440 in terms of developing sources and intelligence and being able to execute so that you're responding

01:03:56.020 to threats in real time here at the homeland. I suspect there's probably only so much you can do

01:04:01.360 to disrupt these networks abroad. And there's a very real sense in which we, we lost control of

01:04:06.460 Afghanistan a very long time ago that they'd been on. The Taliban had been on a trajectory where they

01:04:10.980 were gaining strength and the regime that we stood up over the course of two decades was completely

01:04:18.060 corrupt. And it was a failure that belongs to multiple administrations. And I don't, I don't have

01:04:24.080 any confidence that six more months or 12 more months, or even, you know, that residual force that

01:04:28.980 we had there was actually going to deliver much to us. In fact,

01:04:31.600 no. So I agree. Let me, let me jump in on that Camille and challenge you on that. I agree with

01:04:35.880 you. And I actually think that's a straw man though. It wasn't like we were waiting for the

01:04:38.760 magic point at which the Afghan army looked like our Marines. It was that when we had 4,000 troops

01:04:43.780 there, the system was working to an extent, to a, to a reasonable extent where they weren't able to

01:04:49.360 launch attacks on the United States from there. We had a counterintelligence force on the ground.

01:04:53.240 We were able to keep eyes on, on the bad guys and figure out what was being planned

01:04:56.760 and to thwart a lot of it. And so the, the, the joint effort for whatever it was worth was worth

01:05:02.840 prevent protecting the homeland in a meaningful way. Nor was this like Vietnam where people were

01:05:07.820 in the streets in America saying, bring them home, bring them home. Nor did the troops where

01:05:11.180 the troops sounding like that, you know, troops fight, troops understand this is part of the job.

01:05:14.660 Most troops, they want to be in the theater. It's not that they want to die or get hurt. It's that

01:05:19.700 they want to be theater in the theater. They don't feel about going to Afghanistan the way I do.

01:05:24.540 Right. So I just feel like I'm not sure exactly what problem we were solving and pulling out the

01:05:28.820 last 4,000. I get when it was 15, what we were doing. I don't see the urgent need to have pulled

01:05:33.360 out the last four. That system seemed to be okay. Go ahead. Yeah. I mean, the, the difference in

01:05:38.620 Vietnam obviously is the people protesting was because there was conscription versus an all

01:05:43.220 volunteer. I mean, people that are much more willing to, to do these sorts of things. And that's

01:05:47.240 what they signed up for. And they knew this going in. I mean, there were so many of these guys

01:05:50.440 were just born when 9-11 happened. Um, so yeah, to your point, Megan, I mean, I, I don't know where

01:05:56.340 I land on this because there's so many counterfactuals and there's so many things that are worthy of

01:06:01.260 writing novels and, you know, predicting what would have happened. Um, and none of it's falsifiable,

01:06:06.760 but I, you know, I would point out to your point, which I think is, is, is right in the sense that,

01:06:11.440 you know, when the Mujahideen that was, uh, fighting the Soviets, that was partially funded by the U S

01:06:16.800 partially funded by Saudi Arabia and there were different factions. We were not training

01:06:20.800 bin Laden by the way, but when, when the Soviet union fell and withdrew from Afghanistan, what,

01:06:27.020 you know, filled that vacuum, the Taliban and what was 10 years after the Taliban, uh, you know,

01:06:33.540 this is 9-11, this is, you know, what, 12 years after the fall of the Soviet union or the actual

01:06:37.720 fall of the Soviet union, 10 years. And, you know, you need, I mean, having a state like that,

01:06:42.580 which is functionally run by terrorists. I mean, we destroyed ISIS territory for that reason,

01:06:48.640 you know, look at the places that Osama bin Laden was, uh, you know, getting his passport stamped

01:06:52.920 prior to landing in Afghanistan. There were lawless places in which he could actually operate with the

01:06:58.200 collusion of the government. There are very, very few places like that in the world right now. Um,

01:07:02.440 and that's, that's the case with terrorism all throughout the 20th century. I mean, governments

01:07:06.340 that colluded with terrorists were East Germany, the Soviet union, various middle Eastern countries.

01:07:10.740 If you have a country that's going to give a nod to terrorism and say, okay,

01:07:13.780 our enemy is mutual here. Um, do what you have to do. We're not going to run you out of town.

01:07:19.320 It is worrying. Right. And, but, but also to Camille's point, it's, you don't need much.

01:07:23.720 And you look at the attacks mostly in Europe over the past 10 years, some of which have been

01:07:28.460 absolutely catastrophic, but Bataclan and things like that, where, you know, just dozens and dozens of

01:07:34.220 people mowed down. And those are people that grew up in Europe and their parents were actually

01:07:39.720 mostly they're homegrown terrorists. So there's a lot of concern in a lot of ways in this problem

01:07:44.520 hasn't gone away, but we do know from the Taliban and from factions of Al Qaeda, inspire magazine,

01:07:50.700 et cetera, that they are absolutely emboldened by this. And they said, they literally say we

01:07:54.780 defeated another empire. So the union first and American next. So that, that is a word.

01:07:59.120 I'm more scared than ever. I'm more scared than ever. Thank you, Michael. Um,

01:08:02.300 the threats coming from every direction. All right, wait, let me see your balls and attacks.

01:08:08.380 It's just a terrible, no, no, I'm feeling better about the balls. Don't scare me. Um,

01:08:12.160 I'm just going to leave it at that. I want to get to, uh, immigration because what's crazy is we're,

01:08:17.820 we're bringing back a lot of, uh, Afghani refugees and so on. You think we're vaccinating them?

01:08:22.360 Well, we're not. It's, it's not mandatory. Uh, it's, it's requested, not required. What that's

01:08:28.320 not true. If you're an American citizen, what sense does that make? Not to mention what's

01:08:31.580 happening at the Southern border. We're going to pick it up there with Michael Moynihan,

01:08:34.560 Matt Welch, and Camille Foster. And we'd love to hear from you on the topic of Nicki Minaj

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01:09:02.500 be taking your calls at 833-44-MEGYN, 833-446-3496. Who's side are you on? Joy Reid's or Nicki Minaj's?

01:09:12.580 Um, okay. I've got it. I found the quotes about Dr. Fauci that I referenced before. So I've got to

01:09:16.740 kick this block off with that, you guys. So the, the guardian is naming Dr. Fauci as the sexiest

01:09:21.700 man alive. Um, there's also a documentary coming out about him titled Fauci. And these are the

01:09:28.040 quotes. Okay. From the documentary's co-director. This is amazing. Uh, Tony is the signal amid the

01:09:36.420 noise. People are able to sense that there's a lot of noise and their ears are trying to find the

01:09:41.500 signal. And Tony is the signal at the core of Tony's popularity is that people into it, but this

01:09:49.120 is a man who is speaking the truth and will not let anything stand in the way. And look at the

01:09:55.600 picture of him. He's like inside some weird game of Thrones type. I don't know if that looks like

01:09:59.620 the virus or the iron throne. I'm not sure what it is, but anyway, he is the signal guys. He is the

01:10:05.920 man who is speaking the truth and won't let anything stand in the way. He sounds like he's

01:10:11.700 stoned. Um, the weird thing, I went to a toy store the other day, and this is, um, something I

01:10:17.860 don't remember from being younger. I remember all the great toys, but I went into a very,

01:10:22.420 you know, kind of Brooklyn type toy store and about 40% of the toys, uh, had either Fauci

01:10:28.860 or Ruth Bader Ginsburg or AOC. And I'm like, God, I remember when there were like right wing

01:10:36.060 books in the two thousands and they got stories. It's true. You can look this up. There was a book

01:10:40.940 called like, uh, mom, Heather has two mommies. Oh no. The one that conservatives wrote, like there

01:10:45.460 were liberals under the bed or something it was called. And there were these crazy stories

01:10:49.480 in New York times. Like I cannot believe what these lunatics are doing to indoctrinate their

01:10:53.820 kids. And I go to the toy store and I'm like, do you guys have Legos that don't, that aren't

01:10:59.140 like, that aren't the January 6th insurrection Lego set? Can I just, something that's just normal.

01:11:07.960 My daughter doesn't like this stuff. So anyway,

01:11:09.780 Very weird. The left decides when they love or hate. It might be just a slightly bad idea to,

01:11:15.940 to make like public servants or people who are just public officials who are supposed to be doing

01:11:22.380 a really difficult, complicated job. And you understand when they make mistakes and when

01:11:26.160 they get it right, you, you applaud them and you hope they do a good job, but turning these people

01:11:30.400 into heroes, imagining that they, they're, they can do no wrong, deifying them. And that's maybe a bad

01:11:37.180 idea, especially maybe a bad idea for, you know, team. We believe in science. I, I, I can appreciate

01:11:43.700 the challenges associated with it in some, to some degree Fauci's job. I've been critical of him in

01:11:50.420 certain instances and I've lauded him in other instances. But this is obviously just a step too

01:11:57.180 far and in the direction of not being serious and kind of parsing the facts and trying to understand

01:12:02.760 a complicated circumstance. This is something else entirely, and it's deeply unhealthy.

01:12:07.180 You can't talk about him as this like fearless truth teller with like, well, masks do nothing.

01:12:12.140 Oh no, everybody has to wear them. Herd immunity is at 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 95. Right. Uh, we didn't

01:12:18.000 fund any gain of function research in the Chinese lab and the definitely didn't come from a Chinese

01:12:22.060 lab. And, but you know, it's like, okay, please either you're not paying attention to your dishonest

01:12:25.660 guardian. And having read the guardian for many years, I think it's the latter. Um, okay, let's talk

01:12:30.260 about immigration because it's crazy to me that we are not vaccinating. We are, it is not a mandatory

01:12:35.580 vaccination for Afghan refugees. Okay. Um, nor is it a mandatory vaccination for folks crossing our

01:12:42.580 southern border illegally. And the Biden administration got such flack for that after

01:12:47.340 its executive order saying all of us have got to get it, whether we want to get it or not, or get

01:12:50.640 fired that they said, okay, well, we're, we're going to do something at the southern border. We are,

01:12:54.820 we are planning to begin vaccinating border crossers as they await processing. They're planning.

01:13:00.400 It's not happening. In fact, right now we checked, there's no requirement that immigrants caught

01:13:05.060 illegally crossing into the country, be vaccinated. Um, not even those who are allowed to remain

01:13:09.540 to pursue asylum. We're not, we're not requiring it. And so you tell me how people are supposed to

01:13:13.740 feel about the fact that they might get fired if they don't get it, but we're letting in, in August,

01:13:19.760 200,000 people came into the country illegally, uh, outmatched only by the month prior where it was

01:13:24.240 200,000 and six. These are records that we're setting in the, the arrest at the border, 21 year

01:13:31.580 high. No one's covering it in the media. So the bot, the border's a sieve and we're not requiring

01:13:36.720 vaccinations of anybody. And we're supposed to look at this administration and say, okay, I will

01:13:40.520 willingly take this vaccine or lose my job because, you know, I trust you. One thing about the border

01:13:45.320 being a sieve is that I think it's not the, the reason why you have 200,000, uh, arrests or 200,000

01:13:51.520 people. And you have a lot of arrests is that legal immigration has been choked off in this

01:13:56.500 country. Uh, it was choked off during the Trump administration and Biden hasn't done a whole lot

01:14:00.700 to change. We're not accepting, generally speaking, refugees. The Afghan, uh, refugees are an exception

01:14:06.540 to that rule. We're at, we're at, you know, 40 year lows in, and accepting people and granted COVID's

01:14:12.240 hard. COVID makes it a difficult question. Um, but it hasn't really changed. So when you don't have,

01:14:18.020 uh, a legal stance, we once did a thing and reason, um, any reasons of pro immigration,

01:14:24.640 generally speaking, when I was editor of the magazine, uh, we had a flow chart, uh, designed

01:14:30.060 of how you go through the proper legal channels, uh, to get in the country and how long it takes

01:14:36.000 on average. And the headline I put on it was get in line now, stay out. Uh, if you want it to be,

01:14:40.520 if you wanted to be a nurse from the Philippines to get in legally, it would take 18 years back in

01:14:45.620 the day. It's probably different now. Um, but so generally speaking, you're going to have more

01:14:49.920 illegal crossings when the legal option has been choked off. Other thing about the mandatory

01:14:55.060 vaccines, uh, on people, I don't like mandatory vaccines on people as a starting point. Um, so

01:15:00.520 I think it, it more, but you know, goose and gander, um, the goose and gander point is important.

01:15:06.320 That's why I don't want the president of the United States to use OSHA to make people get

01:15:13.520 vaccinated. It's not really good for social peace in general. It's not good for people who have,

01:15:19.400 uh, their own reasons. They want to control their own body. Uh, they might be scared that their 13

01:15:24.820 year old kid, you know, uh, we'll get myocarditis, um, if he's a boy and gets, uh, the vaccine,

01:15:31.980 which is a, you know, it's a low risk, um, but it's out there. It exists. And yet we're having the

01:15:37.500 LA unified school district and the Culver city school district make, uh, vaccines mandatory for 12 year

01:15:42.480 olds now. Look, and we talk about this in the context of schools. And if you look at the numbers,

01:15:46.120 as Matt has pointed out, uh, pretty frequently on our podcast, and I think in print pieces too,

01:15:51.320 that it is responding to a phantom problem in a lot of ways. And in this case, it is not. And people

01:15:57.740 tend not to pay attention to this. Just look at what's happening right now with Afghan refugees,

01:16:01.920 which I'm happy that a lot of people got out, not as many as, as should have gotten out,

01:16:07.960 particularly people who work with the, with the U S government. But I think there's 85,

01:16:11.360 hundred thousand people right now that are on various military bases, some in the U S some

01:16:15.800 not in the U S there has been a measles outbreak, which is kind of underreported. The fact that there

01:16:20.620 was a measles outbreak amongst Afghan refugees. So it's not COVID it's also very bad. And it shows

01:16:28.840 you when you house people in conditions like this, which is necessary for, for the, the volume of

01:16:35.000 people, um, that's, this is kind of crazy. And I think that if another administration was doing

01:16:40.180 this, you would be hearing a lot more about it. And to the point about people coming across the

01:16:44.280 border is that, yeah, no, there's the legal immigration has been choked off, but you know,

01:16:48.660 what we do with people who are detained. And I was down at the border in January and it was

01:16:56.300 astonishing. I mean, I've never seen anything like it. And the people, the border patrol people I

01:17:00.700 talked to and the Texas Rangers, they've never seen anything like it either. And they detain a lot

01:17:05.180 of people. They have incredibly sophisticated, uh, surveillance network and they pick all these

01:17:09.200 people up. A lot of the people expect to be picked up, picked up, but they don't expect to be sent

01:17:13.720 back to central America. They don't expect to be, you know, okay, time to go. We're not processing

01:17:19.140 you and we're not going to house you. So it is a broken system in almost every way it has gotten

01:17:24.380 more broken and whether or not you support, you know, a more liberal immigration policy or more

01:17:29.360 conservative one, we cannot ignore the fact that this administration and the previous

01:17:34.540 administration have had a completely cockamamie, uh, immigration policy that should not be ignored

01:17:41.100 in weirdly, weirdly. I'm not, I see AOC at the Met gal. I don't see her clinging to a fence

01:17:46.460 weeping anymore. Cause that was a good photo op. Yeah. They don't cover it anymore at all in the

01:17:51.700 press. I mean that I just pulled this from newsbusters, which they always take a look at the,

01:17:55.620 you know, the, the media, which we know is left leaning. They said in August, a total in August,

01:18:01.140 a total of six minutes, 28 seconds were devoted by the big three networks in the evening newscasts

01:18:07.220 to what's happening at the Southern border. Six minutes, 28 seconds, four minutes on NBC,

01:18:11.420 two minutes on CBS, zero on ABC. In July, it was four minutes and 20 seconds, um, which was a 94%

01:18:19.640 drop from March. So, you know, we, there was a month there where they were like crisis, crisis at

01:18:24.700 the Southern border. And I think that's because of the news cycle was kind of slow. So it was a story

01:18:28.700 for them to just fill time with. And now it's, the numbers haven't fallen. The numbers are

01:18:33.400 big coming across the Southern border. I know you guys have more, probably more sympathy for it

01:18:37.680 than I do. I, I know you're, and I wouldn't describe you as open borders, but you're probably

01:18:41.420 less, less of a strict border person. And I don't know if I want to describe myself as strict borders,

01:18:47.260 but I think I'm to the right of you. Um, but anyway, either way, I thought it was over.

01:18:52.520 That's why we don't hear about it. Who is she? Is she still the vice president?

01:18:58.000 I haven't seen her in a while. She, she, they, she's down in Joe, Joe Biden's basement,

01:19:02.120 which is probably a good thing for their administration, their poll numbers. Um,

01:19:05.540 okay. So speaking of people who are very unpopular, Kamala Harris, uh, let's talk about

01:19:11.280 justice Kavanaugh and let me run the soundbite that we are erroneously ran earlier because what's,

01:19:15.240 here's what happened. Um, justice Kavanaugh is still getting protested this time at his house.

01:19:21.300 I hate when people do this on the left or the right. Don't bother people at the dinner table.

01:19:26.920 Don't bother them in the restaurant. Don't bother them with their kids and don't bother them at their

01:19:30.540 house. There's a big, big, big building in, in DC where you can find justice Kavanaugh. He's the

01:19:34.820 only one of the nine who was actually going into the office to do his job. Go find him there. You

01:19:38.760 can protest there all day long, but don't, don't get the man at his house. Still. Here's what we saw.

01:19:44.020 Okay. Now let's run it.

01:19:45.300 A teacher in Chicago. I don't know. She needs some Klonopin or something. That's what is happening.

01:20:09.100 what are they even saying when abortion rights they're about abortion rights meanwhile that's

01:20:14.920 not all kavanaugh's fault it's like you know the supreme court like whatever the conservative is

01:20:18.480 going to do what they're going to do but i don't know this has been a trend now where we seem to

01:20:22.780 shrug our shoulders and people show up at the homes of people they don't like and i don't i

01:20:25.720 don't like that or dog them as they're walking to and from work i mean the camille talks about this

01:20:30.240 a lot um this has also been memory hold by the media but there was no when rand paul was assaulted

01:20:36.300 i mean he was assaulted in his in his house but he's also just walking what was the event there

01:20:41.340 was an event that there were there were a lot of the rnc convention it's rnc convention yeah so a lot

01:20:48.000 of uh antifa types well just menaced people walking to and fro and the justifications for all of this

01:20:55.940 that you would hear from people and occasionally you know from a blue checkmark journalist as well

01:21:00.520 as like oh you know they have such control over lives they need to be confronted for what they've

01:21:04.860 they need to sort of see uh you know up close and personal it's like no that's that's a bright

01:21:10.160 line you just don't go after people in public settings you can boo the politician when he

01:21:16.700 throws out the first pitch booed bill de blasio that's one of the greatest things new york has ever

01:21:20.680 did not electing him twice by landslides but at least booing the hell out of him whenever he throws

01:21:25.140 out a first pitch at shea stadium or city field um but like you don't go after them and get into

01:21:31.120 their physical private spaces and and it's a it's a sign of the current sickness of our culture that

01:21:37.040 people are finding twisting themselves in knots to justify this in fairness um democrats have been

01:21:43.140 pretty good on this too dick durbin came out um washington post had an unsigned editorial today

01:21:47.460 saying this stuff is all wrong and crazy the thing that i find amazing about it and i know that megan you

01:21:53.660 talk about um uh court stuff quite a bit uh considering your background i follow it a little less

01:21:59.240 closely but the the thing that stuck in my memory in the past year and i just did a quick google

01:22:04.040 search this morning is that going after kavanaugh is a pretty interesting thing these are the headlines

01:22:09.540 of the past you know year brett kavanaugh emerges as unlikely liberal hope for supreme court to the

01:22:15.580 liberal rescue wall street journal robert kavanaugh give liberals win on conservative court and and you

01:22:21.140 know this keep going and going and going because there was a minute where conservatives were totally

01:22:25.360 outraged that kavanaugh trump too outraged that kavanaugh was not uh uh ruling in their quote

01:22:31.800 unquote in their favor and you realize with these psychopaths who show up and screech at somebody's

01:22:38.540 house and by the way if you're doing that there's something wrong with you you need help you need a

01:22:43.060 hobby you need to do better things read a novel these people need perfection from a concern you can't

01:22:49.500 just sit there and say you know he's actually surprised us in a lot of ways he has not been

01:22:53.880 scalia like he's not been thomas like he's been kind of malleable on a lot of these issues

01:22:58.140 no he's not you know on our team we're gonna go mau mau him at his house that is insane and the people

01:23:05.320 who do it should be utterly ashamed of themselves but they're not capable of shame it's a good point

01:23:09.720 why aren't they at thomas's or alito's house they couldn't find him on the phone book the cultural

01:23:15.940 tendency towards a liberalism is is something that i found pretty disturbing i mean we've all

01:23:20.900 bear born witness to it we've seen it happen we saw last summer um and i suppose i can still say

01:23:26.320 that right even though it's like middle of september now um but but up to january 6th but like you can't

01:23:32.100 forget it wasn't just politics like uh jeff bezos had a guillotine erected in front of his home in

01:23:38.100 washington dc like we can't normalize stuff like this it's important to call it out on on all sides

01:23:44.160 when we see it happening it is certainly the case that there are going to be political outcomes that we

01:23:47.860 dislike and protest has its place uh but it is certainly the case that we probably aren't at

01:23:53.680 the point where we ought to be suggesting that we're going to murder one another uh if we don't

01:23:57.660 get our way i just don't see the benefit in in any of this nonsense he's got kids too you know it's

01:24:03.980 like reminds me of what happened with tucker and his wife and he's got kids at home we saw it with

01:24:07.900 certain bank executives 10 years or so ago closer in time to the financial crisis like anybody it

01:24:14.260 shouldn't be done to anybody but it really shouldn't be done to somebody who's got kids at home

01:24:17.280 it's just so uncivil it's not it's not tolerant you know sort of the tolerant left that shoots larry

01:24:22.380 elder's security guard in the rear end throws an egg at his face shows up at justice kavanaugh's

01:24:27.440 house when they easily could have just gone to the supreme court like it like like uh pro-choice

01:24:32.260 protesters have been doing since the dawn of time their point is clear we get it they get more coverage

01:24:36.840 that way because the news media is standing there all day um i don't know i feel like the only way

01:24:41.860 to speak out against it is to just keep covering it even when it's lame and the lady with the drum is

01:24:46.580 trying i mean it's like they weren't scary but they were obnoxious and i just want to give them

01:24:51.000 you never want to be the lady with the drum just make sure in life that there's never a position

01:24:56.040 that you're in the lady with the drum unless you're a drummer in prince's band or something

01:25:00.200 what are you what do we want new chant please any new chant that's what we want she could come back

01:25:08.260 as the flautist in the next iteration it's been wonderful you guys love talking to you thank you so

01:25:14.020 much for all the time michael moynihan matt welch and camille foster let's do it again soon

01:25:18.240 thank you megan thank you megan all the best guys next up let's have a conversation i would love to

01:25:23.960 hear from you call me this is it call me in call me right now 833-44-MEGYN we put you on the queue

01:25:30.480 right here and i'll start selecting the calls personally we're gonna have a nice long chat 833-446-3496

01:25:36.220 what do you think about the fact that you have to be vaccinated mandatory but the afghan refugees

01:25:41.360 don't and the immigrants coming across the southern border don't oh great uh we'll be right back

01:25:46.520 welcome back to the megan kelly show everyone we're taking your calls right now at 833-44-MEGYN

01:25:55.100 m-e-g-y-n that's 833-446-3496 and um i think we're going to kick it off with andrew from virginia

01:26:04.180 andrew you've been waiting 40 minutes i appreciate that thank you so much what's on your mind

01:26:07.800 well you know i was interested about the uh millie situation because what's so egregious about what

01:26:15.260 millie did is that he is not even in the chain of command if the president was disabled he would

01:26:22.780 nowhere in no way be the person who would make that call after a whole slew of anybody else um

01:26:30.440 he is an advisor to the president uh so for him to have stepped in and say these decisions are not

01:26:39.200 made without my you know input is is beyond that's not like mike pence stepping up and going hey you

01:26:47.440 know let's get the cabinet together and you know because the president may be unstable if that's your

01:26:54.440 opinion he completely jumped everything yeah it's true if you if you look at uh you know designated

01:27:02.280 survivor or lone survivor who who comes down the chain of command he's not there we get down to

01:27:07.640 maybe the the house speaker but we don't get to general millie he's forgive the term but the

01:27:12.420 executioner he's the person who actually has to press buttons and make it happen and at no point did

01:27:18.240 the general public empower him well somebody in the military has got to do i don't i don't know who

01:27:23.520 actually presses the button no no no he's not a military person at that point he it would be the

01:27:28.340 sec deaf who would do it if you want to talk about whoever in the military but he's not even a button

01:27:33.740 pusher no no that's not his position well i actually don't understand exactly how it would go if we

01:27:39.620 launched a nuclear attack but i do know this that he took all of the generals and apparently made them

01:27:44.220 take an oath that they were going to be loyal to him in that moment and do as he instructed which is

01:27:51.080 and that's really all you need if that's true and and we're going to hear from general millie who's

01:27:54.880 testifying before congress next week so let's hear what he has to say if that's true he's got to go

01:27:59.780 um anyway i thank you for calling andrew i appreciate it and then let's get down to uh sandy in

01:28:05.340 mississippi hey sandy hey um i just wanted to say um i'm a breast cancer survivor and i do not think

01:28:15.360 that the vaccine should be mandatory um i i think that's not in my best interest right now to take

01:28:21.920 it because we don't know what that has to do to our body in the future fighting cancer now are you

01:28:29.200 employed are you a danger of of losing your job if you don't get it no not it's not at this time no

01:28:36.500 i'm not what about do you worry about not you can't get on an airplane you know you can't go to

01:28:40.680 the museums in new york you couldn't go to the restaurants more and more you're going to be banned

01:28:44.660 from going into these places unless you have a vaccine proof right right and i just don't think

01:28:50.580 i think everybody should be able to make the choice on whether or not they want the vaccine

01:28:55.000 what does your doctor say well um i have several doctors but two of my doctors who deal with my

01:29:05.000 hormones and um oncologists they did not recommend the vaccine for me and so i just hope that if that

01:29:13.340 time comes that they'll be able to write me something that says hey you know she doesn't

01:29:18.220 need to take the vaccine you know um i just you know and of course you know the regular primary

01:29:23.700 care doctor they say you know get the vaccine get the vaccine but i just don't think that's the

01:29:28.860 best thing for me and i want to be able to make that decision myself yeah that's the thing you've

01:29:32.700 already been through a massive health challenge and this is joe biden who's telling you he knows

01:29:37.760 better that's what's so infuriating about it he's really inserting himself between the citizenry and

01:29:42.780 their medical professionals it feels wrong to me too i thank you for calling uh i want to get to

01:29:47.840 brendan down in florida brendan what's on your mind hey just about this illegal immigration stuff i mean

01:29:54.500 i was in the board show came in under reagan went through you know all the way through obama and then

01:30:00.520 trump there at the end and what hypocrisy i mean where's fauci in all this you know he's lecturing

01:30:07.000 everybody about wearing the mask get vaccinated and all these illegal immigration you know illegal

01:30:13.020 immigrants coming across willy nilly it's just the hypocrisy is just amazing i know and and it's

01:30:22.360 undermining this the speech that biden makes you know how important it is to get vaccinated and he's

01:30:28.240 sort of doing this for the good of the community and it's like well why are you treating american

01:30:32.180 citizens worse than you're treating immigrants refugees people who are breaking the law to get

01:30:38.200 into the country like if anything they should be held to higher standards and instead he's looking

01:30:43.220 at i mean the medical personnel are the ones that really drive me nuts because it's like those guys

01:30:46.700 have already made massive sacrifices and risked their lives so many of them got covid and they're told

01:30:51.780 too that they need a vaccine even though the data shows they probably already have immunity more so than

01:30:55.680 the vaccine they're going to lose their jobs but the illegal immigrants who cross the southern border

01:30:59.460 they don't have to get anything and they'll probably get a job and if it wind up taking

01:31:03.600 social security and so on oh no no no and there's me too movement you know all these women open borders

01:31:10.440 are not compassionate they're subjected to all kinds of bad stuff coming through mexico not to mention even

01:31:18.400 in the wall street journal they had an article about these women getting gang raped coming through

01:31:22.240 panama these venezuelans you know it's awful it's truly it is a humanitarian crisis and if it were

01:31:29.380 happening on trump's watch we'd hear a lot more about it but they've gone totally totally silent

01:31:34.520 um on it you know okay all right want to get another caller in let's go to rick in indiana

01:31:38.420 middle of country megan how are you good rick how you doing doing great hey the core issue of

01:31:45.420 everything you're talking about today you're talking about immigration and the border you're talking

01:31:49.200 about vaccination and body rights the big problem we have that no one's talking about is there's a

01:31:55.680 war on free speech and authentic speech people are getting canceled they're afraid to speak out you

01:32:02.260 can't have debate these days the way we did even 15 20 years ago heck even three years ago i want to

01:32:08.380 know your thoughts on the authenticity of speech and what you think about the importance of that

01:32:12.260 well i basically think if it comes from a politician i don't believe it and i don't care whether it's

01:32:16.860 trump or biden or harris i don't believe these politicians if their mouths are moving they're

01:32:20.720 lying and it's one of the reasons why i refuse to put on a team jersey for either of the sides i think

01:32:25.300 when you meet somebody an authentic politician it's so refreshing right like i did this thing with dan

01:32:29.920 crenshaw that i mentioned the other day i think that guy's an he's an honest guy he's a truth teller

01:32:34.080 which makes him an anomaly and maybe maybe it'll make it hard for him to ascend beyond uh you know his

01:32:39.180 congressional level up to the very top but i hope not um but i think you're right people are scared

01:32:43.720 and the polls show that they're very scared to speak their minds and it's totally un-american

01:32:48.100 go ahead you saw it with the democrat party as well with tulsi gabbard the way she got shut down by

01:32:53.700 the establishment left it's not a right left thing it's a it's an american thing amen i think it's

01:33:00.400 it's very frightening for the future of the country and i and i think everyone who's listening today

01:33:04.580 should wake up speak up speak out and uh exercise free speech couldn't agree with you more rick thank

01:33:11.680 you all right so we did better today we did better on the calls we're gonna do it we're gonna figure it

01:33:15.620 out you guys and we'll have a more robust call segment like this i hope each day thank you for

01:33:20.260 being part of the show tomorrow i'm excited because glenn greenwald will be here we'll talk about why he

01:33:24.940 says the media constantly cheer for war his take on the fall of afghanistan and the new class system

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 16, 2021

Left Turns on Nicki Minaj, Fauci’s New Title and Immigration Madness with Kmele Foster, Matt Welch, and Michael Moynihan ｜ Ep. 161

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