A new exclusive from a former CIA analyst who worked on the January 17th, 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) comes to light. Meagan and Chris talk to Michael Schellenberger, who claims to have spoken to a CIA insider who still works at the agency.
00:00:45.640We have Charlie Kirk coming up in just a moment, but we're going to begin with explosive new revelations on how the Obama administration pushed the Russiagate hoax.
00:00:55.920There's a whistleblower now coming forward who's still inside CIA.
00:01:01.760That person has spoken to Michael Schellenberger, and Michael has a new exclusive that he's going to talk to us about right now.
00:01:09.840The whistleblower says CIA director John Brennan had an almost, quote, pathological need for control over the 2016 investigation that would frame Donald Trump as a Russian puppet.
00:01:23.100Michael's the founder of Public News on Substack and chair of politics, censorship and free speech at the University of Austin.
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00:05:18.420I think it's important for people to keep in mind that, you know, we think of spying, sort of the glamorous world, the James Bond, the people, you know, the human intelligence, or maybe even some of the, you know, the cryptography and the signals.
00:05:31.240But so much importance is on the analysis because that raw intelligence has to be interpreted.
00:05:40.440And, of course, it doesn't make for a very good Hollywood movie, a bunch of people just sitting around their computers.
00:05:44.060But the directorate of analysis at the CIA is incredibly powerful because they're, in fact, more powerful in many ways than the people gathering the intelligence because they're the ones that are waiting at deciding how credible certain things.
00:05:56.180So when that process is corrupted, and, of course, one of the most famous recent ones is that the CIA process of analysis was corrupted around the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, this is on par with that.
00:06:09.360In fact, several people have said that this is the worst corruption of the analysis project, of the analysis process within the CIA since the weapons of mass destruction.
00:06:18.260This person also said that they were under duress, that was their language in describing Brennan's insistence that this fraudulent steel memo, again, that was commissioned by the Hillary Clinton campaign, that they were under duress to include it.
00:06:36.040And that this person expressed a significant amount of anger at the CIA director, Brennan.
00:06:43.500And, of course, all of this is coming at a time, you know, we published yesterday, the day before yesterday, the attorney general, Pam Bondi, said that they were seeking to prosecute and seek indictments for a grand jury.
00:06:55.280And it seems very likely that director Brennan, ex-director Brennan, would be one of those individuals.
00:07:00.660Michael, can you answer why we're only learning about all of this now?
00:07:05.880Like, why John Durham was a special prosecutor, appointed counsel, appointed to look into this.
00:07:18.940So why didn't he find all this stuff and indict people accordingly back in 2020?
00:07:24.600Well, it appears that the intelligence community used the secrecy of their intelligence to hide a lot of information.
00:07:35.240And so there's been a lot of documents that have come out.
00:07:37.560One of the most important ones is the annex to the Durham report, which is, of course, this investigation that was done into how did the Russiagate hoax start in the first place.
00:07:52.740I know you reported on it, but basically what we let our show going through your report bit by bit.
00:07:57.460You weren't available because you were on a plane, but it was great reporting.
00:07:59.840And we walked it through with our audience about those Russian emails that had been unearthed by the Dutch and then shared with us showing Hillary Clinton's emissaries,
00:08:10.380both pitching the campaign to take down Trump and distract from Hillary's email problems with these fake lies about Trump and many other things.
00:08:21.660Well, and so fascinating, these pieces all start to connect.
00:08:25.040The FBI was dismissive of that intelligence, the FBI being a very politicized organization.
00:08:31.160The CIA analysts said that that intelligence, as you said, gathered by the Dutch spying on the Russians, that the CIA said that that intelligence was credible.
00:08:42.660They said that it wasn't fabricated by the Russians and that those emails and other documents sort of showed that Clinton had this plan to smear Trump as a Putin puppet.
00:08:54.320And so then you see this plan goes right from the Hillary Clinton campaign into the FBI and into the CIA.
00:09:01.900But I think it's important to point out that those apparently there was, you know, objective, honest CIA analysis that showed that it was real intelligence.
00:09:10.180And maybe that was part of the reason or clearly that was part of the reason.
00:09:13.200And so the person that we interviewed made clear that the analytical the analysis was good.
00:09:20.160The problem was Brennan was corrupting it.
00:09:22.800But on terms of the Steele dossier, this person said that all of the analysts were in agreement that it absolutely should not be included in the intelligence assessment and that they had the support of everybody up the chain, this person said, including all of the Russia experts who just looked at it and said this is total garbage.
00:09:39.120And so and so what you see here is, I think what we're seeing, just to kind of sum it all up, is that there had been a lot of theorizing about the nature of this conspiracy.
00:09:51.940And I use that word deliberately. It was a secret, illegal, secret, illegal behaviors.
00:09:57.040There's a lot of theorizing about it. It really all turned out to be correct.
00:10:00.380And now what's happening is that the evidence is coming in to support the theories that people had been putting out there, which made sense from various behaviors that people had.
00:10:09.660But we now know, given the documents that have come out and this really extraordinary person who has spoken to us, who has given us this inside view.
00:10:18.780You know, I also think there's just the CIA, they really do protect their own, you know, for better or for worse.
00:10:25.560And so it's disappointing that there were no whistleblowers from the CIA coming forward until now.
00:10:31.720There was obviously people involved, but that's just not how they roll.
00:10:35.460And I was only able to get this person to speak on the condition that I would not reveal their name, which, of course, I agreed to.
00:10:47.440Hopefully these other CIA analysts, I hope other CIA agents and analysts who are part of this now see you as a viable option to go to.
00:10:58.600And the anonymity for now should be protected.
00:11:00.940And hopefully they'll get to the point where they say you can say who they are, because we need we need all of them to tell us what actually happened here.
00:11:19.560And he was saying, well, you know, that stuff is that's been dismissed as Russian disinformation.
00:11:23.960Like that that that the reason that never made it past the John Durham annex, it didn't make it into the John Durham report.
00:11:34.120You know, those emails amongst the Hillary acolytes saying we need to come up with a Trump is a Russian asset plan to distract from our emails.
00:11:44.180And then this guy, Leonard Bernardo, who he wrote those plans down and the and the Russians saw his emails.
00:11:53.960They did have to hack his emails and the Dutch saw it.
00:11:56.720Dave's point was that Durham and others feel that was Russian disinformation.
00:12:03.260And that's why he's saying, you know, you shouldn't credit that this was all a Hillary Clinton plot that the FBI helped because the the emails themselves.
00:12:12.760That show this guy, Leonard Bernardo, writing about Hillary's plan were faked by the Russians.
00:12:20.820But your point is, no, that's not true.
00:12:26.380It came from The New York Times, which is also reporting that.
00:12:28.640And many on the left are now dismissing this whole thing by saying the Hillary Clinton plot piece of this is itself Russian disinformation.
00:12:38.000And I think the key point here is that the CIA did not agree with that.
00:12:42.600And the CIA, of course, being responsible for evaluating Russian intelligence.
00:12:49.020And so the CIA being much more qualified than the FBI.
00:12:52.700But we've seen now both with this new whistleblower interview that we published yesterday and with the Durham annex, you see the FBI behaving very badly in a very partisan way.
00:13:03.920And we knew that the FBI had used the Durham, sorry, that had used the Steele dossier as one of the justifications for getting the FISA warrants to be able to spy on members of the Trump campaign.
00:13:16.560Then we see the FBI dismissing this intelligence, probably didn't even have the expertise to do so, but dismissing it where the CIA said it was accurate.
00:13:24.120And now we see the intelligence about Hillary, Hillary plotting this whole thing.
00:13:30.100And look, I mean, it's really all these people are all like intelligence.
00:13:33.460So the person that wrote the plan to smear Trump as a Putin puppet is somebody who worked at a CIA linked think tank called the Center for New American Security.
00:13:45.680I mean, you go onto that website and there's just Julianna Smith, Julianna Smith, Julianna Smith.
00:13:50.740You look at these people and they're just thick with people that were at the CIA or currently are at the CIA.
00:13:57.400Moreover, she then Biden then gave her the position as special ambassador to NATO.
00:14:03.640And so she was a senior military intelligence person who came up with this plan.
00:14:09.280And Megan also just point out that this playbook, you know, it's funny because the people that are dismissing this always talk about the Trump playbook.
00:14:17.780Not sure there is one, to be honest, but the real playbook is this CIA playbook, which is the one that they had been using for years,
00:14:26.300maybe decades in Eastern Europe, which was to smear their opponents as Putin puppets.
00:14:33.000Many of those cases, I think a lot of those people were.
00:14:35.260So, I mean, I'm not suggesting that they weren't Putin puppets in Eastern Europe, but that was this strategy of smearing your political opponents as Putin puppets that they did to Trump is something that was their playbook that they had been using for many years earlier.
00:14:49.100We've watched them in real time do it to Tulsi Gabbard, too, both before she became DNI and since she's become DNI and has been responsible for releasing this information.
00:15:00.520I mean, we actually are seeing once again, people suggest she's doing this to, like, help Russia somehow.
00:15:15.760Okay, so your reporting is that the CIA believed, and the people who ran the Russian desk, they believed that the Russians did hack Leonard Bernardo,
00:15:30.740that they did see emails from Julianne Smith, who was a Clinton advisor at the time, saying,
00:15:36.680we're going to do this, we are going, hey, Leonard, and Leonard's writing about it, we are going to create this lie about Trump to distract from Hillary's email scandal.
00:15:53.300And conversely, the experts at CIA and on the Russian desk saw the Steele dossier that said Trump went over to Russia and had some interlude with Russian prostitutes,
00:16:05.000and now Putin had compromise on him, said, that's bullshit.
00:16:41.940It's extraordinarily stupid on so many counts.
00:16:44.540If you look at the timeline, the timeline doesn't add up.
00:16:48.300You look at the timeline here about what happened and when it happened.
00:16:52.820Barack Obama had nothing to do with this by anybody's accounts, and especially by the Senate Republican Intelligence Committee run by Marco Rubio,
00:17:04.020who afterwards said that it was Donald Trump's 2016 campaign that created a, quote, grave intelligence, counterintelligence threat to the United States of America.
00:17:16.200We even found out that the two documents that supposedly, you know, fed into the Clinton conspiracy, that she was the one pushing this, actually was Russian disinformation.
00:17:27.540So, again, they know in the Justice Department that this is all BS.
00:17:34.500I think this is a desperate attempt to distract.
00:17:37.040Reviving old conspiracy theories, so playing the hits, if you will, knowing that it will be eaten up on certain conservative cable channels and in the MAGA podcast sphere.
00:17:46.620So what did that boil down to the Senate Intelligence Committee report that post dated that January 17 intelligence community assessment and the the lie that we just discussed that those that the Russian emails discussing the Hillary plot were themselves disinformation?
00:18:08.460Yeah, and I mean, basically, everything that Joe Scarborough said there is false.
00:18:14.820All the main points he made are false and easily disprovable.
00:18:19.000Even on the Obama one, we asked are the person that we interviewed that's still at the CIA that that was one of the authors of the ICA about Obama.
00:18:29.960And they said, we do not know President Obama's role in the ICA, but presume that then National Security Advisor Susan Rice, Homeland Security Advisor Lisa Monaco, and in particular, Deputy National Security Advisor Avril Haines, who was Cohen's predecessor as Brennan CIA Deputy Director, played a role in the ICA's timeline and rollout.
00:18:50.700So this idea that sort of they've somehow proven that Obama wasn't involved is belied by the reality of how this works, which is that Obama is at the top of a hierarchy of intelligence officials, all of whom were involved in the ICA.
00:19:05.060Now, of course, they could have kept him from it.
00:19:08.040But this idea that somehow there's proof that Obama wasn't involved is not true.
00:19:12.340The person just to interject, there is proof that they were going to give him a report on December 8th that said that downplayed Russian interference.
00:19:19.020Then there was some meeting with his chief of staff that resulted in a memo saying, per the president's direction, we're going a new way.
00:19:25.940And then came December 9th, where they started anew on the new project, which would result in that January 17 ICA.
00:19:32.780But between December 9th and January 17, they did all the leaks to the media saying the Russians interfered and they did it to help Trump.
00:19:39.380And we have a memo saying per the president's direction.
00:19:41.820So it's not just supposition that Obama authorized this.
00:19:46.680In fact, the very night that they so they had a huge meeting on December 9th that included Susan Rice, included the entire all of the cabinet officials for the intelligence and security agencies.
00:19:56.320That night, multiple people, according to the New York Times and Washington Post, had went to the New York Times and Washington Post and said the Russians favored Trump, you know, and framed this early on before ever doing the ICA.
00:20:08.780So, you know, this person we interviewed that's at the CIA said there's no reason to believe that Brennan, a political operator with many friends in senior roles in the Clinton campaign, was not either directly or indirectly engaged in or being influenced of it, regardless of his claims.
00:20:25.580You know, this person pointed out that we know that that that they felt personally deceived by Brennan, who had suggested that, oh, it's just the FBI that wanted to keep a Steele dossier.
00:20:33.400And in fact, we now know from Brennan's emails that Brennan wanted to do that.
00:20:37.820Megan, I just want to add one other key thing here that I think really needs to that really people need to understand is that what was in that Durham annex, again, with intelligence that the CIA said was real, was a number of allegations, including that the that Obama was pressuring the attorney general to pressure then FBI director Comey to drop the investigations into Hillary Clinton's emails.
00:21:01.800The other thing I want to point out is that in terms of intelligence, FBI general counsel Jim Baker, in addition to the CIA, so really senior person, the top lawyer for the FBI, was also very troubled by this intelligence, did not believe it should be dismissed.
00:21:17.000And then was particularly concerned by the reaction to then Attorney General Lynch, Loretta Lynch, when the FBI presented her with this intelligence, her reaction was sort of calm, the normal reaction.
00:21:32.160Just to be really clear, when the FBI went to her and said, yo, the Russians have documents that say you are pressuring Comey to not take this investigation into Hillary, quote, too far.
00:21:45.960I mean, yes, normally, like that could be an oh shit moment for somebody.
00:21:51.580If you were innocent, you'd probably respond by saying that's absurd.
00:21:57.180But James Baker describes her reaction, Loretta Lynch's reaction when she's told the Russians have intel that you are pressuring the FBI not to actually indict Hillary and you take it.
00:22:17.880And again, we can't prove this, but the sense is it was sort of that that that she was reacting that she didn't understand that this was a real problem, that she didn't seem to understand.
00:22:29.140And she didn't seem alarmed that she was being named in this way and that she sort of thought that they were all friends or that this was just sort of they were she was being told.
00:22:39.820It was almost like she had her role that she was playing and she didn't understand that it had gotten that it had sort of leaked out inappropriately.
00:22:49.120Megan, then the other thing, of course, that happens right after as soon as the FBI sees this intelligence that the CIA says is real.
00:22:55.200Well, Director Comey of the FBI does a press conference where he announces that the investigation into Hillary's emails is over.
00:23:03.280And, you know, he said he did that without the permission of the attorney general.
00:23:07.100It almost looks like he panics like they get this intelligence.
00:23:10.100He's scared it's going to come out, showing that he had been under political pressure to drop the investigation.
00:23:15.880So he rushes out because he wants to get out in front of the intelligence, cancels, announces that he's canceled the Hillary Clinton investigation.
00:23:23.460So, I mean, this is these pieces are now in place to see that there was an effort that really this all starts with putting the kibosh on the Hillary Clinton email investigation, that that sort of effort was revealed to the U.S. intelligence community that then provoked them to accelerate the dropping of that case.
00:23:46.000And then we also I think it's also just worth pointing out that, you know, the whole the whole Russia thing.
00:23:51.900I mean, there's multiple motivations for it, but the Hillary Clinton campaign was very concerned that they were going to be attacked because her husband, Bill Clinton, had taken a half million dollars from Russians tied to uranium interests.
00:24:06.020And then Hillary Clinton, the secretary of state, had approved uranium imports.
00:24:09.940So it's sort of this classic projection, psychological projection.
00:24:17.960By the way, this is dying for a Michael Schellenberger documentary dying like this would be so much easier to understand if you just spelled it all out.
00:24:54.580A couple of weeks ago, Hallie, when really the headlines were dominated by the Jeffrey Epstein controversy and then the president was sort of trying to change the topic.
00:25:04.700Then you have the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, come to the White House briefing room, come to the podium and try to share some of this alleged new evidence.
00:25:14.180Well, now you have the attorney general saying that they're going to try to take that information and try to evaluate it to see if there could be any potential criminal indictments that they would follow.
00:25:23.980But it really does bear repeating this is looking into something for which there is no evidence to back it up.
00:25:29.620And it's really it seems a politically motivated move to keep the focus on one of the president's clear political foes and talk about basically anything else.
00:25:39.460That's the White House reporter for NBC News Now, which is their digital property.
00:25:46.960That's supposed to be a straight news objective reporter, Michael, just giving us the straight news facts.
00:25:54.380I mean, of course, the media was really part of all of this.
00:25:57.660I mean, it was really working with the intelligence community to smear Trump as a Putin puppet.
00:26:04.500And, you know, so they really, you know, and of course, The New York Times and other publications won Pulitzer Prizes for their disinformation.
00:26:13.060I think it's really important to underscore that really the whole thing was aimed at spreading disinformation.
00:26:18.860The reason they opened the investigation into Russian interference, we believe the reason that they did the ICA, we believe, was precisely so they could go leak it to the media.
00:26:31.240In other words, once you are saying so, once you once you and, you know, that we know Comey leaked his when he briefed President Trump on Russian interference, that Comey then goes and leaks it to the media.
00:26:43.360So they open the investigation, maybe knowing that really there's no there there.
00:26:50.600And then they but they do it to be able to go to the media and say, oh, there's an investigation going on.
00:26:55.380And then it's suddenly, you know, I mean, it's just game changing.
00:26:58.560And obviously it had this just massive impact on the Trump presidency.
00:27:02.220And there's, you know, I think a lot of evidence there was criminal activity.
00:27:06.080I think this is obviously not going away.
00:27:08.800And it'll be really interesting to see how long the media can maintain this fiction that there's no there there after we've had, you know, three major reports.
00:27:16.340And now finally a whistleblower who was in in the process and has explained how fraudulent it was.
00:27:30.960We played a soundbite from Susan Miller about a week ago who was running around saying she was the author of the intelligence community assessment of January 17.
00:27:39.480And she told NBC, we definitely had the intel to show with high probability that the specific goal of the Russians was to get Trump elected.
00:27:48.800And as it turns out, there's some real problems with Susan Miller's allegation.
00:27:54.500Well, and credit first to Blaze TV because they actually confronted her on it.
00:27:59.740And she admitted that she wasn't she didn't have anything to do with the ICA.
00:28:03.940And then our person that directly involved was directly involved in writing it said, quote, Susan Miller had no role in the ICA.
00:28:12.440Members of Miller's analytic team participated in the ICA, but she had zero role.
00:28:17.100So here we go. Like the people that have actually that were out there putting their name on it publicly who are outside the agency are just continuing to spread disinformation.
00:28:25.880And in this case, again, because of Blaze TV confronting her on it, she had to walk that back.
00:28:32.720Right on. Right on, Blaze. Right on, Michael. Great to see you. Thank you.
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00:30:06.580All right. So I thought we were kind of done with the Sidney Sweeney controversy, but yesterday it resurrected for a couple of reasons.
00:30:13.040Number one, Beyonce has now dropped a similar ad for Levi's without the jeans, jeans, double entendre commentary.
00:30:22.140But it's Beyonce in a jeans ad and it is being received like she, again, is the second coming, like everything that Beyonce does and touches, because you're not allowed to criticize Beyonce.
00:30:32.560You're only allowed to lavish praise upon her.
00:30:38.160And now we're seeing a concerted effort on the left to turn the whole Sidney Sweeney controversy into a right wing manufactured controversy.
00:30:48.140That there really were no leftists who were upset about the Sidney Sweeney ad.
00:30:54.140And it's really just Republicans like Trump and J.D. Vance who are fueling a made up controversy.
00:31:04.300This was entirely a left wing freak out.
00:31:07.620And my own thought on it is having engaged in a back and forth at length with one of the Pod Save America guys last night, again, who remains a mystery to me.
00:31:16.920The only one I know is that Tommy guy.
00:37:22.540But, but it goes, there's so much here.
00:37:25.160And I, I don't want to paint too broad of a brush because I, I don't, I try not to do that.
00:37:31.640But an element of the backlash, Megan, and we have to be honest, is that a blonde white woman who is not full of like tattoos or disfigurement surgery is like so repulsive to them to the point where they think that it's the rise of the third Reich.
00:37:50.580Again, I don't want to overly racialize this.
00:37:52.820I'm not trying to say every point of criticism has that kind of sentimentality, but it definitely exists.
00:37:58.640It definitely is an energy source here that they just find something so repulsive and offensive that a white blonde girl will be profiled in an advertisement like this, as if this is regression away from the wokening of the country.
00:38:25.360And we've been dealing with it for years now and we're sick of it.
00:38:29.400That's part of why the right wing is enjoying this so much because they're sick of this BS.
00:38:34.640They're sick of seeing white people be erased in their roles in movies and TV shows.
00:38:40.080And we have to reinvent all these cultural characters that are actually white and make them black now.
00:38:47.580And on top of it, I said this the other day, there's something about Sidney Sweeney that's very refreshing because she's like the anti-Kardashian.
00:38:55.160She's, yes, well endowed in the Chestel region, shall we say.
00:39:01.660She doesn't have like the enormous lips and like the enormous ass that's clearly been injected in like the teeny tiny two inch waist.
00:39:10.860That's also been surgically manipulated.
00:39:13.160She's got a normal, you know, womanly shape, but it hasn't been enhanced to double D's to where it looks absolutely bizarre or the lip same.
00:39:22.280And I think people appreciate that she is a beautiful girl who's just showing off her natural beauty.
00:39:29.200And for me, this is one of the reasons why I don't think the Beyonce ad was done in reaction.
00:39:34.100This seems to be part of a series for Beyonce and Levi's, which is a woke brand that ruined Jennifer Say's career because she questioned school closures.
00:39:46.140And anyway, I think it's a woke brand and they've been partnering with Beyonce for a while.
00:39:50.040So the latest installment shows Beyonce in this jeans outfit.
00:39:54.080And I have to say my own reaction to it was, especially on the heels of the Sweeney one, it's a fail because it doesn't have what the Sweeney ad has, which is one of the things we're reacting positively to.
00:40:46.200She was marketed and paid for by Jay-Z.
00:40:49.340He's basically bought all of her awards.
00:40:52.400People in the music industry will get bullied by this pair if they don't say about her what they want them to say or advance her award prospects in the right way.
00:41:01.900And she's got, as you know, is typical for folks who get in a limelight this way, skin that is as thin as tissue paper.
00:41:11.000Yours truly rolled her eyes, I did, when she entered country music with all this fanfare.
00:41:16.740Like, we didn't have country music until Beyonce got there.
00:42:10.700And just so you know, he got all of his money from the Levi Strauss fortune.
00:42:14.600Just a side note, this is a kind of a totally woke company and then a woke fortune that he inherited.
00:42:19.940Anyway, but look, the Beyonce, of course, she has a right to do the jeans ad, but it just looks so forced and it just looks so manufactured.
00:42:28.420And it goes to show, like, why did she feel the need to go do that?
00:42:34.220Was it to try to balance out the quote unquote racial conversation?
00:42:46.640And you mentioned this, which is that, like, Beyonce, even though she's, I guess, one of the biggest music stars ever, I find her music to be awful, unlistenable.
00:43:20.000Like, what do you, somehow I am under assault.
00:43:22.340And she did this kind of shtick, remember, during the Kamala Harris campaign, where she's like, yeah, our rights are under attack.
00:43:29.060Your rights are not under attack, Beyonce.
00:43:31.200As you come, parachute in, charge $10 million, give a speech, left all of your fans super disappointed and mad at you that you didn't perform.
00:43:58.700You are much better equipped to make, you know, to charge the indictment against Beyonce being fake.
00:44:03.720I will say, though, that the Sidney Sweeney appeal is partially what you're saying completely, Megan.
00:44:09.100But to go even deeper, young men are, like, enough with the over-plastic presentation of women.
00:44:17.900There's something about how Sidney Sweeney presents herself where a lot of these young men are like, well, kind of remember a girl like that in high school.
00:44:24.700Or I could kind of, it's more realistic.
00:44:37.680But for a lot of young men, the way they tell me, I say, what is the appeal of Sidney Sweeney, betide the obvious, you know, visual aesthetics?
00:44:44.620They say, you understand, is that she's real.
00:44:49.200She hasn't been butchered into the place where, like, again, the Kardashian gang is, you know, they have a whole team of people that are constantly sculpting them.
00:44:58.540Well, and Beyonce's in that same category.
00:47:27.700I don't haven't seen her work, but she's kind of an all-American girl that hasn't necessarily gone through the sort of the sort of design by committee.
00:47:48.920If you if you don't have naturally thick hair, it's nice to get a few extra pieces in there.
00:47:52.220But honestly, what we've done in our society is we've gone so far the opposite way.
00:47:58.320I mean, like, truly, thanks to the Kardashians.
00:48:00.120It's not all their fault, but they're chiefly responsible.
00:48:03.180This new sort of quote unquote ideal of women has got like the triple G breasts outsized only by the fake asses, which are as wide as Montana.
00:48:14.220And then in the middle has to be like literally a 10 inch waist, which is not attainable by any natural human without massive surgery, which, by the way, is potentially dangerous.
00:48:24.520And on top of that, lips that are enormous, that basically go up to your nose and down to your chin and then get smushed with it.
00:54:09.160It's not just about white people that don't like this.
00:54:11.320But to compare a Sidney Sweeney ad for 20 minutes to gobbles and Hitler and eugenics, I mean, that's really dark stuff.
00:54:22.880And then for them to gaslight us, that, you know, that little dwarf on Pod Save America that you were getting in a debate with, he was like, oh, no one was saying it.
00:54:35.620The ABC News Good Morning America platformed a, quote unquote, subject matter expert for a multi, like a pretty long interview by Morning Showtime.
00:54:47.280You know, Morning Showtime is precious, Megan, and she's going on about how this is eugenics and a return to Nazism.
00:54:53.960And then they gaslight us against it for even saying that this became a major issue.
00:55:07.760Now, in one ad, the blonde-haired, blue-eyed actress talks about genes as in DNA being passed down from her parents.
00:55:15.160The play on words is being compared to Nazi propaganda with racial undertones.
00:55:22.660The pun, good genes, activates troubling historical associations for this country.
00:55:30.280The American eugenics movement in its prime between, like, 1900 and 1940 weaponized the idea of good genes just to justify white supremacism.
00:56:09.680Then they go through and counted the number of times Fox News mentioned Sweeney, and then they make the same point as the little man over at Pod Save.
00:56:17.260No prominent Democratic lawmakers have weighed in on the situation.
00:56:24.800Notwithstanding all that whole laundry list I went through, the test is whether we've seen, I guess, Joe Biden or the auto pen say something about it.
00:56:33.960Or whether Chuck Schumer gave a Senate floor speech about the Sydney Sweeney ad.
00:56:39.540You know, whether or not Hakeem Jeffries introduces a motion.
00:56:43.980Like, that's the threshold of whether or not this is a big deal or not.
00:56:47.540Sorry, we actually understand culture, guys.
00:56:50.640And again, just I want to just go back to one part, though.
00:56:53.160In that ABC News clip, do you know that the first couple of words were so disgusting?
00:56:58.280The blonde-haired, blue-eyed actress, as if, like, they're trying to set you up that, like, oh, this is, like, Pseudone.
00:57:06.840Do you notice that in the copy script?
00:57:28.800But no, because of that, you're trying to shame an entire part of the American population, which happens to be the majority of the country, by the way, still, into, you can't talk about having any sort of good genetics or any sort of good ancestry.
00:58:26.140But they look at that and they immediately think Third Reich, Hitler, not only are these dark people, they are so – their worldview that they process everything through, the matrix that they put all their information through is so broken and dangerous, Megan, that this is why I'm so glad Trump won,
00:58:51.380is that you can't have people running your society that immediately think everything goes back to Hitler and everything goes back to Nazism.
00:59:29.660What they have done is they have created yet another subcategory.
00:59:34.100Racist means nothing anymore, and now Nazi means nothing anymore.
00:59:38.720When people call me a Nazi, and then they call me – so they have diluted the potency of the word that we can no longer use it, rarely where appropriate.
00:59:48.060And, no, these are sick people, and I don't put that lightly.
00:59:52.400If you think that ad had anything to do with eugenics or the Third Reich, there's something deeply wrong and troubling with you.
01:00:00.620They've done it with the word bigot, if you say anything about the trans community, too.
01:00:04.020I mean, there's a whole list of words that used to be powerful, and they've ruined them.
01:00:08.340They've taken away their sting because they've used them so indiscriminately.
01:00:11.400All right, now, you raise the Jewish issue, and this is actually really important to me.
01:00:17.220I really want to discuss this with you because you and I are both supporters of Israel and have defended Israel since the beginning of this conflict
01:00:25.040and spoken out about the anti-Semitism that has erupted on these college campuses many, many, many, many times.
01:00:32.200And something's happening, though, with this whole debate that is really bothering me, and I wonder if you're feeling it, too.
01:00:37.820So, I mean, I genuinely believe you'd be hard-pressed to find somebody in the public eye who's been as outspoken a defender of not every move Israel's taken in the war,
01:00:50.100but of Israel's right to defend itself and of the just backward awfulness that we've been seeing on college campuses
01:00:57.780and the backlash against American Jews than yours truly.
01:01:00.600I mean, I have been at the pointy end of the spear on this.
01:01:05.100And it was all heartfelt, and it remains heartfelt.
01:01:09.020However, however, my contention here is that some in the pro-Israel camp are so knee-jerk about calling you anti-Semitic
01:01:22.380or getting deeply offended if you say anything that doesn't align with their narrative that it undermines their own cause.
01:01:30.800And I have to tell you, I find it very irritating because I do feel like some of us have earned the right to have some credibility on the subject of Israel
01:01:41.180and don't want to be called those names when we have some mild pushback on some of the overreaches,
01:01:48.720whether it's, you know, whether they're winning or losing the propaganda war right now.
01:01:53.360And my contention is they've begun to lose it.
01:01:56.080And I realize it's propaganda coming at us from Hamas, but their numbers have turned here in America.
01:02:01.920They've turned not so much with Republicans, a little bit with Republicans, but completely with the Democrat Party and with independents.
01:02:08.600They have shifted mightily from at least double-digit highs to single-digit lows now when it comes to approval.
01:02:16.480And also, with respect to you and I speculated about this at the Turning Point event,
01:02:22.020whether the possibility of Jeffrey Epstein possibly being a Mossad agent or asset or affiliated with,
01:02:29.520that's been turned around on me, too, to you must be anti-Semitic.
01:02:49.320And I raise this as a pushback against my friends on that particular strain of the aisle to watch it.
01:02:57.660Because you don't want to alienate people who are openly your friends by going nuts in your crackdowns on mild pushback on anything related to Israel.
01:05:24.000But no, I am a bad person if I do this.
01:05:28.320And it's a—I could go—I mean, you saw it, Megan.
01:05:30.400It was trending on Twitter, thousands of tweets and text messages.
01:05:33.300And if I were to be charitable and generous, I will say, the people that are attacking me are in a hyper-paranoid state because they're at war, and war tends to make things black and white, and you're a hammer looking for a nail.
01:05:47.600So I'm trying to be charitable, Megan.
01:05:49.500Literally, I'm trying to cut as much slack as I can, right?
01:05:52.680Like, okay, what would it be like if all of a sudden I'm starting to see a pattern of behavior similar to what my grandparents saw in 1930s Germany online?
01:06:46.760And Israel, we have funded, we have supported, and they're up against a sea of Islamic totalitarianism, and we should be cheering for them, right?
01:06:57.480Because they're up against barbarians and monsters, and we want them to win.
01:07:02.380However, here is Megyn Kelly and Charlie Kirk combined, probably 30 million social media followers, like pretty, right?
01:07:10.260And you and I have been holding this down, and you probably get the negative, oh, you're just shilling for Israel, whatever.
01:07:15.500I'm like, okay, I'm going to do what's right regardless of the feedback, right?
01:07:18.320But then all of a sudden, like I host a person that I moderate the debate of, mind you, right?
01:07:26.980And I give equal time to Josh Hammer, equal time to a pro-Israel advocate, and my moral character is being put into question.
01:07:36.720And so I just – I think it's a hyper-paranoid, like we're just going to try to – we're going to just stamp out everything type of practice.
01:07:47.280But it goes to the point where if, for example, if I – I have less ability sometimes online to criticize the Israeli government about backlash than actual Israelis do.
01:12:31.660And I said, why are you texting me about Megan?
01:12:34.320And I, at that point, and so this is what they don't understand.
01:12:38.080You and I, Megan, and Tucker is in the same category and they've tried to go after Tucker.
01:12:42.760Is that the, and, and the more you attack our moral character, the, actually, the more we're going to double down in the direction because screw you, I don't do it that way.
01:13:07.820But the, the, the, the thing that I don't think I think is being lost is like on some part of the population, you can scold them into silence.
01:13:19.180But if I have any deviation of a purity test, any deviation whatsoever, such as hosting a focus group, right, Megan, with a bunch of our students that went viral, having Dave Smith or Tucker at my event, it is all of a sudden.
01:13:34.960And, oh, Charlie is a, uh, he's, he's no longer with us and all that.
01:14:39.680I love that Jesus walked on water there and rose from the dead and preached in the, uh, the Mount of the attitudes.
01:14:46.020Like I, I feel the connection to Israel and I, but at the same time, simultaneously,
01:14:51.840when the hostile reaction is that now Megan and Charlie are enemies, boy, I'll tell you, like you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're going to, you're not going to, I wouldn't say lose, but you will weaken and just basically deflate two of your strongest advocates if that continues.
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01:26:29.180But he, if you, if you watch the whole interview, which I did for research purposes, they, he talks about like, what's your favorite, what do you do for fun?
01:27:11.820A grieving family member coming to you with an idea about their, you know, like this must be hugged and loved and understood, but not platformed, but not indulged on this.
01:27:26.640If that father wants to do it on his own YouTube.
01:27:31.260Now his son's name and likeness is being caught up in a very controversial, obvious exploitation campaign by this disgusting person, Acosta.
01:28:00.260I mean, it's one thing to go, like you said, interview, you know, to, for a political purpose, but then a fake AI generated video simply for like gun control and gun confiscation.
01:28:12.820Like what was the pre-show meeting, Megan?
01:28:15.580I want to know him and his, you know, producer when they're like, yeah, you know, it'd be a really good idea if we're going to go talk to a AI representation of a dead kid at a school shooting to try to push a political agenda.
01:28:30.460That says a lot more about Jim Acosta than anybody else.
01:28:35.580That shows that he is willing to use his platform and then to talk about it and engage with it.
01:28:41.660Now, it'd be one thing if he talked to the father solely and like, okay, you created this AI and is it helping you heal?
01:28:48.580And is it helping with your trauma, you know, okay, let's watch a little clip of you talking to the AI and it could have been maybe kind of a heartfelt like, you know, school shooting, you know, father finds healing with AI of son.
01:29:03.320Okay, like that would have been a better story instead for him to interview that like he's Barbara Walters or that he is sitting down for like a major interview that that tells us everything we already knew about Jim Acosta.
01:29:19.680I mean, my separate worry about this is, you know, AI should not be used like this on the airwaves.
01:29:26.880You know, the person, this child is dead and whatever his parents do to make themselves bring themselves comfort, that's fine.
01:29:35.900Honestly, it's I'm only loving and praying for them.
01:29:39.680But when someone dies, it should not be okay.
01:29:44.880It should not be lawful for journalists or public personalities, public commentators to use their image and create fake conversations with them.
01:29:56.060I understand everyone involved thought that this is what this child would say if asked these questions.
01:30:03.600I'm still totally uncomfortable with it.
01:30:05.780AI is going to a place that's potentially really dangerous and it's already spinning out of control.
01:30:11.640I have it on very good authority that Sam Altman, who's the guy behind GPT and OpenAI, said that we're within a thousand days of super intelligence on these computers.
01:30:21.700I mean, we were debating whether it was going to be a hundred years.
01:30:25.320And so it's coming soon and we're going to have to like the law hasn't caught up with the technology, Charlie, where we're still allowing things like this.
01:30:32.820And we're allowing fake parodies of actual people who are still living to go out there as though those are real.
01:31:15.240And so we are at the beginning of the societal erosion that artificial intelligence might represent when it comes to not just name and image and likeness, but also what is real and what is fake and what is reality in general.
01:40:54.240And can I say the other thing that you're talking about that I think people need to be reminded of and I think is important is the man should be the pursuer in the early relationship.
01:41:04.560And frankly, I mean, Doug and I have been married, I don't know, for how many years now?
01:42:29.980You're going to accuse us of sexual harassment.
01:42:31.300I don't think that's the right reaction.
01:42:33.280But young ladies in some ways have unintentionally created this kind of like, oh, I can't believe that guy at work came up to me and he wanted to talk to me and ask me out on a date.
01:44:01.420Like, it does things to the male mind, and women don't always understand that.
01:44:05.020So, I say, women, hold yourself to such a high standard that the man wants to pursue you, that they have to elevate themselves towards that.
01:44:20.140Because you and I both know there are so many young conservatives out there who want to be connected with people but are having a difficult time.
01:44:27.500And maybe don't even know how to behave or what the so-called rules are anymore.