The Megyn Kelly Show - February 24, 2026


Leftists Melt Down Over Men's Hockey Team and Trump, and Bombshell New Guthrie Reporting, with Andrew Klavan, Geddes, Hamilton, and O'Neill | Ep. 1259


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In this episode of The Megyn Kelly Show, host Meghan Kelly previews President Trump's State of the Union address, discusses the latest in the Nancy Guthrie case, and reacts to a new report from Savannah Guthrie about a possible $1 million reward for information leading up to the hearing. Plus, the latest on the NHL s boycott of the All-Star game between the Toronto Maple Leafs and the St. Louis Blues.

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00:01:00.780 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show,
00:01:02.640 live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:01:12.440 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.
00:01:14.240 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
00:01:15.600 We have major developments today in the Nancy Guthrie case.
00:01:18.340 A new Instagram message from Savannah this morning,
00:01:20.840 upping the reward to $1 million.
00:01:22.620 And new reporting about those Nest images.
00:01:26.340 And we'll tell you what we saw in the message from Savannah
00:01:30.960 that revealed new information about this case.
00:01:34.200 But first, President Trump's State of the Union is tonight,
00:01:37.680 technically his first of the second term.
00:01:40.100 We will have full coverage in AM Update
00:01:42.180 and on tomorrow's Megyn Kelly Show.
00:01:44.640 The guys from Real Clear Politics will be here
00:01:46.760 to help us break down everything that happens. 0.99
00:01:48.440 My prediction, the Democrats will make fools of themselves 0.97
00:01:52.580 not standing for things that they should. 0.97
00:01:55.480 Trump will attack the Supreme Court justices who are there. 1.00
00:02:00.360 Some Democrats will pull some stupid stunt that we will mock. 0.99
00:02:06.140 And it will be a great moment 1.00
00:02:08.200 when they show the men's hockey players there.
00:02:11.200 Those are my predictions going in.
00:02:12.660 As for substance, Trump, of course,
00:02:14.640 will tell everybody how great everything is.
00:02:16.180 The question on my mind is, will he throw in a line of,
00:02:19.780 we know people are still hurting.
00:02:21.160 Like, we know it's not going fast enough.
00:02:23.220 Will there be any sort of acknowledgement
00:02:24.940 that the American people are still suffering
00:02:27.580 because his poll numbers, as we discussed in AM Update today,
00:02:31.460 are reflecting a deep dissatisfaction with the economy,
00:02:34.760 especially among independents.
00:02:37.000 And there's just no way around it.
00:02:38.540 So does he acknowledge it?
00:02:39.860 Or does he do the typical Trumpian,
00:02:42.860 it's all good.
00:02:44.920 And it's only getting better, right?
00:02:46.580 Like, it's very unlike him to sort of say,
00:02:49.280 I know you're still hurting.
00:02:50.480 So if I have to put money down on it,
00:02:51.980 I'm going to say he's not going to say that.
00:02:53.840 Okay.
00:02:54.140 So we will have full coverage again, as I said, tomorrow.
00:02:57.740 Right now, we're still waiting
00:02:58.820 for the full list of special guests.
00:03:00.760 Usually get that right before the event.
00:03:03.320 We know that the men's team is on their way to DC.
00:03:06.440 And it's like the controversy that's been developing
00:03:09.820 around them over the past 24 hours
00:03:13.000 is just absolutely disgusting.
00:03:16.260 I mean, we're going to talk about it, of course,
00:03:18.620 but I think we need to start this hour by saying,
00:03:22.220 remember that normal Americans are not feeling anything
00:03:27.860 like the soundbites we're going to play for you
00:03:30.100 on today's show.
00:03:31.040 The political left is crazy,
00:03:34.260 but they will not be able to change Americans' opinions
00:03:37.820 about these young men.
00:03:39.640 Try as they and their media enablers might.
00:03:43.340 I mean, people really have lost their minds.
00:03:45.660 Thankfully, golden goal scoring Jack Hughes
00:03:48.980 and his mom Ellen are out there
00:03:51.720 bringing some rational thoughts.
00:03:54.100 And joining me now with some of his own, Andrew Klavan.
00:03:57.420 He's host of The Andrew Klavan Show on The Daily Wire
00:03:59.600 and author of the book, After That, The Dark.
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00:05:20.740 Andrew, welcome back.
00:05:23.400 Thank you, Megan.
00:05:23.960 It's good to see you.
00:05:25.200 There's a lot to go over.
00:05:26.400 Okay, so let's just start
00:05:27.960 with some of the leftist reaction
00:05:29.520 because what they're claiming they're mad about
00:05:32.500 is that during Trump's phone call with the boys
00:05:37.360 from the locker room, he made a joke.
00:05:41.400 And in the joke, he said,
00:05:43.380 he said, I want you to come to the White House.
00:05:46.560 Cash Patel clearly called the president on his phone
00:05:48.940 because it's Cash holding his phone.
00:05:50.740 You can see he's got him programmed in as DT.
00:05:53.500 I would like to speak to the FBI director about his code.
00:05:58.600 And Trump's talking to the guys,
00:06:01.520 saying all the fun things and congratulating them.
00:06:03.460 And then he says, you know,
00:06:05.000 come to the White House or come to the State of the Union.
00:06:07.020 And he said, you know,
00:06:08.540 we're going to have to invite the women's team as well 1.00
00:06:11.660 or I'll be impeached.
00:06:13.360 We have it here.
00:06:14.860 What would really be cool,
00:06:16.420 and we'll do the White House the next day,
00:06:17.860 we'll just have some fun.
00:06:18.860 We have medals for you guys.
00:06:20.320 And we have to, I must tell you,
00:06:22.360 we're going to have to bring the women's team. 1.00
00:06:24.280 You do know that.
00:06:24.920 I do believe I probably would be impeached, okay?
00:06:32.360 So, first of all, all the young men,
00:06:37.840 you could hear them chanting,
00:06:39.360 two for two, two for two,
00:06:40.840 meaning, yes, do it,
00:06:41.840 because the women won gold too. 0.98
00:06:43.780 And lots of screams of, yeah, like, bring them.
00:06:47.720 But somehow the left would like to parlay this
00:06:49.820 into a controversy about misogynistic young men.
00:06:53.740 And even Trump's comment as misogynistic
00:06:55.840 as opposed to a joke, an obvious joke.
00:07:00.820 And even if it wasn't a joke,
00:07:02.660 like, do we have to pretend
00:07:03.840 that there's equal interest in men's sports
00:07:06.060 versus women, women's? 1.00
00:07:07.700 I mean, like, if men held a beauty pageant contestant,
00:07:11.400 nobody would watch, right?
00:07:12.580 Or fewer would watch than would watch the women. 0.95
00:07:15.380 There are a lot of things that women can do. 1.00
00:07:17.080 Women in the reality shows are fun. 1.00
00:07:18.980 They're colorful.
00:07:19.840 They're emotional.
00:07:20.660 They're interesting to watch.
00:07:22.040 I don't think, like, a bunch of guys
00:07:23.480 would be able to carry a reality show in that way
00:07:25.560 because they're more stoic.
00:07:27.480 They don't talk about themselves as much.
00:07:29.020 You know, there's the old joke,
00:07:30.020 like, a guy gets a divorce
00:07:31.480 and the husband of a different wife
00:07:33.540 goes out on the golf course with him for 10 hours.
00:07:36.080 He comes home and the wife is like, 0.97
00:07:37.720 what did he say about the divorce?
00:07:39.040 And nothing, I didn't ask him.
00:07:40.220 What do you mean?
00:07:41.520 Michelle Obama actually told that exact story about Barack,
00:07:43.980 but it's like a meme.
00:07:46.020 Anyway, the point is,
00:07:47.180 there are lots of things that make women 1.00
00:07:48.840 fascinating and interesting
00:07:50.720 and people want to tune into them
00:07:52.320 depending on what they're doing.
00:07:54.040 Sports is one of them,
00:07:55.240 but to pretend that it's as compelling
00:07:57.480 in the eyes of the American people
00:07:58.900 as men's sports,
00:08:00.680 men who have the,
00:08:02.100 just the prowess that comes with
00:08:04.000 being a larger size species
00:08:06.340 and the testosterone
00:08:07.260 and all of this stuff. 1.00
00:08:08.700 What, it's just fucking ridiculous 0.99
00:08:10.340 how we have to pretend 0.99
00:08:12.200 it's perfectly equal
00:08:13.100 and there's just as much interest
00:08:14.240 in the women. 1.00
00:08:15.020 I don't think there is,
00:08:16.880 but in any event,
00:08:18.760 Trump was making a joke.
00:08:19.960 Okay, but I'm going to show you
00:08:21.580 a little of the leftist meltdown
00:08:24.120 over the fact that Trump did that,
00:08:27.040 the guys didn't hang up on him,
00:08:29.080 and then they agreed to go
00:08:30.720 to the State of the Union,
00:08:32.540 sat nigh.
00:08:33.400 I had no idea
00:08:35.080 that the U.S. men's hockey team
00:08:37.340 warmed up by licking boots.
00:08:39.300 That when the men's U.S. hockey team
00:08:41.440 issues their official apology,
00:08:43.700 I hope that nobody forgives them.
00:08:45.740 They no longer had to treat
00:08:47.960 the women as equals.
00:08:50.220 They were allowed to
00:08:51.480 let their true emotions out.
00:08:54.980 Legitimately to the U.S. men's hockey team, 1.00
00:08:57.400 fuck you. 1.00
00:08:58.120 The women won gold before you did. 1.00
00:09:00.940 To watch that,
00:09:02.800 knowing everything that's going on
00:09:04.740 was sick, nauseating.
00:09:07.440 U.S. men's hockey team
00:09:08.540 who decided to giggle 1.00
00:09:09.560 with the United States president,
00:09:11.660 just so you know,
00:09:12.260 that's a very weird way
00:09:13.140 to say that you all have small peepees.
00:09:14.560 It only took you like 37 seconds
00:09:16.720 from getting off of the ice
00:09:18.100 from your game
00:09:18.780 into the locker room
00:09:19.880 to disappoint the entire 1.00
00:09:21.260 goddamn country, 1.00
00:09:22.460 you loser bitches. 1.00
00:09:25.660 Do not trust her. 1.00
00:09:31.140 Well, that was a fun
00:09:32.400 10 minutes of patriotism.
00:09:35.240 United States, 0.96
00:09:36.020 I hate you more and more every day. 1.00
00:09:37.440 Donald Trump, I hate you. 1.00
00:09:38.680 Hughes Brothers, 1.00
00:09:39.300 that was embarrassing, 1.00
00:09:40.180 and I hope your mother hits you. 0.99
00:09:41.260 Andrew, help us out here. 0.99
00:09:44.980 Well, first of all,
00:09:46.000 this is a problem,
00:09:47.500 an actual problem in the country
00:09:48.740 is that we're now dealing
00:09:49.720 with two parties.
00:09:51.160 We're a two-party system.
00:09:52.720 One of our parties
00:09:53.560 are the Republicans 0.97
00:09:55.360 who range from the incompetent
00:09:57.260 to the somewhat interesting.
00:09:59.600 The other side of the Democrats
00:10:00.820 who are now powered
00:10:01.760 by forces that don't want
00:10:04.020 this country to exist,
00:10:05.200 that think it's bad
00:10:06.160 that this country exists,
00:10:07.520 that thinks that any show
00:10:08.780 of patriotism is some kind
00:10:11.920 of fascist idea being expressed
00:10:15.200 that wants all of our monuments,
00:10:17.380 whether it's George Washington's home
00:10:19.320 in Mount Vernon
00:10:20.020 or Thomas Jefferson's home,
00:10:21.360 they want them all dedicated
00:10:22.420 to the institution of slavery
00:10:24.060 instead of to the people
00:10:25.060 that people go there to see.
00:10:26.960 This is an actual attitude.
00:10:29.700 It's at the heart
00:10:30.360 of the Democrat Party,
00:10:31.420 though not all Democrats.
00:10:32.440 I mean, there are plenty
00:10:33.400 of patriotic, decent Democrats
00:10:35.120 who just don't know
00:10:35.780 what they're voting for anymore.
00:10:37.380 And so everything gets politicized
00:10:40.680 at a level that is
00:10:42.480 completely inappropriate.
00:10:43.760 First of all,
00:10:44.180 if you're going to tell me
00:10:45.120 that men go into a locker room
00:10:47.500 and make jokes about women, 0.99
00:10:49.060 I'm just shocked.
00:10:50.020 I am just shocked.
00:10:50.840 The fact that I can still sit
00:10:51.760 in this chair
00:10:52.460 after hearing this news
00:10:53.900 is incredible.
00:10:55.100 And I actually have heard,
00:10:57.080 though I shudder to believe it,
00:10:59.420 that women, 0.99
00:10:59.980 when they get together,
00:11:00.720 discuss men
00:11:01.320 and even roll their eyes
00:11:02.520 at some of the things
00:11:03.640 that men do.
00:11:04.660 This is part of life
00:11:06.120 that actually I find
00:11:07.080 kind of delightful
00:11:07.840 and at the heart
00:11:10.260 of all joy
00:11:11.180 and creativity in life.
00:11:12.580 But no,
00:11:13.380 it's apparently
00:11:14.040 a terrible, terrible thing.
00:11:16.240 So all of this stuff,
00:11:17.420 I mean,
00:11:17.820 when Alyssa Liu,
00:11:20.520 the skater,
00:11:21.420 did an incredible,
00:11:22.800 incredible routine
00:11:23.980 and won
00:11:24.520 and was attacked
00:11:26.800 for having some
00:11:27.760 kind of woke ideas,
00:11:29.400 I didn't hear the right
00:11:30.280 actually pick up
00:11:30.980 on that at all.
00:11:32.020 You know,
00:11:32.360 that they thought like,
00:11:33.540 yeah, it's great.
00:11:33.920 We won,
00:11:34.780 our America won 0.52
00:11:35.780 the gold medal
00:11:36.600 in skating
00:11:37.020 with a fantastic routine.
00:11:38.420 But the left
00:11:39.100 was mocking us
00:11:39.980 because they knew
00:11:40.980 that if she had expressed
00:11:42.160 pro-Trump ideas,
00:11:43.600 there would have been
00:11:44.260 death threats against her
00:11:45.360 and she would have been
00:11:46.660 absolutely,
00:11:47.740 you know,
00:11:48.600 rejected by the left.
00:11:50.100 So we're really dealing
00:11:50.840 with two different ways
00:11:51.740 of seeing the country.
00:11:52.560 This is different
00:11:53.460 than what was happening before.
00:11:55.400 It used to be,
00:11:56.120 let's say 40 years ago,
00:11:57.540 it used to be
00:11:58.300 that the two parties
00:11:59.200 were on either side,
00:12:00.280 as Barack Obama once said,
00:12:01.800 of the 50-yard line.
00:12:02.860 One thought the government
00:12:03.900 should do a little more,
00:12:04.880 one thought the government
00:12:05.520 should do a little less,
00:12:06.400 but we all thought
00:12:07.200 that this was a great place to be.
00:12:08.800 We all honored our founders,
00:12:10.100 we all honored our founding.
00:12:11.520 That is over now
00:12:13.280 and until people start
00:12:15.000 to understand
00:12:15.560 that that's the argument
00:12:16.700 we're in,
00:12:17.440 that we're not in an argument,
00:12:18.740 for instance,
00:12:19.340 about whether illegal immigrants
00:12:21.620 should be deported or not,
00:12:23.320 we're in an argument
00:12:24.580 about whether the country
00:12:25.440 should exist,
00:12:26.140 whether there is in fact
00:12:27.140 no,
00:12:27.960 there are no illegals 0.97
00:12:28.960 on stolen land,
00:12:30.040 which means this country
00:12:31.020 should not exist,
00:12:32.260 is an actual non-entity morally.
00:12:34.780 So everything is
00:12:36.040 about that conversation
00:12:37.280 and what we are always
00:12:39.180 in the position of doing
00:12:41.320 is playing backup.
00:12:42.720 We're always being attacked
00:12:43.960 and then having to
00:12:44.680 answer the attacks.
00:12:46.420 We're playing defense
00:12:47.560 all the time
00:12:48.100 instead of saying,
00:12:49.360 no,
00:12:49.620 you know,
00:12:49.760 we love this country.
00:12:51.000 The Huffington Post
00:12:51.800 attacked people
00:12:52.380 for waving flags
00:12:53.400 after the mail hockey victory.
00:12:55.560 I'm not hearing anything
00:12:56.360 about that.
00:12:57.300 You know,
00:12:57.500 we weren't supposed
00:12:58.220 to express patriotism
00:12:59.380 in this terrible time
00:13:00.580 of crisis
00:13:01.020 when Donald Trump
00:13:01.760 is president.
00:13:02.780 And I,
00:13:03.120 you know,
00:13:04.060 unlike you,
00:13:04.960 Megan,
00:13:05.680 I can't use,
00:13:06.200 I can't use the language
00:13:07.420 you use
00:13:08.080 because I'm in the presence
00:13:08.820 of a lady
00:13:09.640 and you're not.
00:13:12.080 I just,
00:13:12.760 my answer,
00:13:13.360 my response to that
00:13:14.100 is two words long
00:13:15.060 and the second one is you.
00:13:16.160 I don't,
00:13:16.660 I don't understand
00:13:17.380 why I can't wave
00:13:19.160 my flag for this country,
00:13:20.300 which is an amazing country,
00:13:22.300 a beautiful country,
00:13:23.440 a great country.
00:13:24.240 I don't even have to add
00:13:25.160 it's not a perfect country
00:13:26.040 because nothing in life
00:13:26.840 is perfect.
00:13:27.700 But,
00:13:28.120 but I just,
00:13:28.640 I just feel that this division
00:13:29.960 is one we haven't
00:13:31.000 cottoned onto yet
00:13:32.040 and the media,
00:13:33.180 which largely sides
00:13:34.260 with the left,
00:13:35.760 works hard not to
00:13:36.800 cotton onto it.
00:13:37.680 We're not discussing
00:13:38.680 what this great country
00:13:40.020 should do,
00:13:40.520 whether it should go forward
00:13:41.460 a little to the left
00:13:42.200 or a little to the right.
00:13:43.200 We're discussing
00:13:43.900 whether this country
00:13:44.680 should exist
00:13:45.380 and be celebrated.
00:13:46.700 And if you don't think
00:13:47.460 that's true,
00:13:47.920 you only have to look
00:13:48.580 at the nations of Europe,
00:13:50.000 Britain,
00:13:50.820 Germany,
00:13:51.540 where waving flags
00:13:53.160 has basically
00:13:54.080 gone completely
00:13:55.300 out of fashion
00:13:55.960 and because of that
00:13:57.160 they're losing
00:13:57.600 their identities
00:13:58.260 all together.
00:13:59.320 So,
00:13:59.880 I'll tell you something else
00:14:01.180 about what's happening here.
00:14:03.940 I think
00:14:04.460 the vast majority
00:14:05.620 of these women
00:14:06.140 and there are men too
00:14:06.880 will play them.
00:14:07.940 They're not,
00:14:08.420 they're not actually offended
00:14:09.720 at all
00:14:10.600 by the fact
00:14:11.780 that these guys reacted
00:14:13.060 the way they did
00:14:13.620 to the Trump call.
00:14:14.340 They hate,
00:14:14.580 they do hate Trump.
00:14:16.420 But they're not offended
00:14:17.480 by the way the guys reacted
00:14:18.580 at all.
00:14:19.900 They were offended
00:14:21.040 at them,
00:14:22.540 period.
00:14:22.760 They are incapable
00:14:25.080 of celebrating
00:14:26.760 a great moment
00:14:28.040 brought to us
00:14:29.180 by white young men. 1.00
00:14:32.500 They are incapable. 1.00
00:14:33.720 They resent them. 1.00
00:14:34.960 They hate them.
00:14:36.740 They feel that they are
00:14:38.220 the source of all
00:14:38.980 of society's problems
00:14:40.020 and ills.
00:14:40.900 And there is something
00:14:42.100 stomach turning for them
00:14:43.520 at watching the nation
00:14:45.240 rally behind
00:14:46.400 men like that.
00:14:48.260 There aren't enough
00:14:49.320 men of color.
00:14:50.000 There are no non-binaries 1.00
00:14:52.440 on the team.
00:14:53.660 There are no women 1.00
00:14:55.520 on this particular team
00:14:57.420 even though they have
00:14:57.980 their own team.
00:14:59.780 They're unapologetically
00:15:01.180 patriotic
00:15:01.940 as is apparently
00:15:03.800 in the culture
00:15:05.040 of USA hockey,
00:15:06.460 especially men's hockey.
00:15:08.100 And all of that
00:15:09.780 was offensive
00:15:10.380 to these people
00:15:11.220 before they saw
00:15:12.840 that phone call,
00:15:14.000 before the guys said
00:15:14.860 they would go
00:15:15.260 to the State of the Union.
00:15:16.100 They were looking
00:15:17.740 for a reason
00:15:18.940 to hate them,
00:15:20.520 to declare
00:15:21.060 their hatred for them.
00:15:22.920 And these guys
00:15:23.880 did not give it to them.
00:15:25.340 I mean,
00:15:25.600 like, listen,
00:15:26.720 let's just listen
00:15:27.360 to the President Trump
00:15:28.020 phone call one more time.
00:15:29.320 Listen to their reaction.
00:15:30.640 They're enthusiastic.
00:15:31.700 As soon as he mentions
00:15:32.400 the women, 0.96
00:15:32.860 they're like,
00:15:33.240 yeah,
00:15:33.800 they love the women's team.
00:15:35.740 They trained
00:15:36.540 with the women's team.
00:15:37.640 They've talked about it.
00:15:38.300 We'll play some of it.
00:15:38.860 But just play the Trump
00:15:39.680 bite one more time. 0.99
00:15:41.260 What would really be cool,
00:15:42.760 and we'll do the White House
00:15:43.680 the next day,
00:15:44.200 we'll just have some fun.
00:15:45.120 We have medals for you guys.
00:15:46.700 And we have to,
00:15:47.420 I must tell you,
00:15:48.680 we're going to have to
00:15:49.320 break the women's team. 1.00
00:15:50.660 You do know that.
00:15:51.260 Absolutely.
00:15:53.260 Two for two.
00:15:54.420 Two for two.
00:15:55.220 I do believe
00:15:56.680 I probably would be impeached,
00:15:58.380 okay?
00:16:01.960 Absolutely.
00:16:02.780 Yeah, yeah.
00:16:03.900 Two for two.
00:16:04.720 Two for two.
00:16:06.460 Virtually every guy there
00:16:07.640 was in favor of it,
00:16:09.220 Andrew.
00:16:09.940 But these leftists need, 0.96
00:16:13.220 they need to hate these guys. 0.63
00:16:14.520 Have you ever heard,
00:16:15.900 and again,
00:16:16.540 it just doesn't go both ways.
00:16:17.900 We're dealing with two
00:16:18.860 entirely different attitudes
00:16:20.320 toward the country.
00:16:21.600 Have you ever heard
00:16:22.500 Republicans get upset
00:16:23.900 if a basketball team won
00:16:25.660 by saying like,
00:16:27.120 oh, there are too many 0.99
00:16:27.620 black people on this team? 0.99
00:16:29.260 Of course not. 0.92
00:16:30.640 We understand that
00:16:31.360 different sports
00:16:32.520 attract different kinds of people.
00:16:34.100 And there are different,
00:16:34.960 a million kinds of people
00:16:36.420 in this country,
00:16:37.000 and they're all Americans
00:16:37.900 if they support America.
00:16:39.320 I think that this is just
00:16:40.360 part of a mindset.
00:16:42.500 It's like they're high
00:16:43.120 on their own supply.
00:16:44.320 They've been selling division,
00:16:45.760 selling racial hatred,
00:16:46.860 selling identity hatred
00:16:47.940 all this time,
00:16:48.760 and now they've caught it.
00:16:50.260 Now they've caught,
00:16:51.020 you know,
00:16:51.160 they started out,
00:16:52.080 we all started out saying,
00:16:53.340 hey, you know,
00:16:53.680 racism is wrong.
00:16:54.480 We've got to stop 0.54
00:16:55.040 treating black people badly 1.00
00:16:56.460 according to their race. 0.91
00:16:57.800 We all were kind of
00:16:58.860 moving in that direction.
00:17:00.340 But the left,
00:17:00.940 no, no,
00:17:01.680 it's not the racism that's wrong.
00:17:02.980 We were just racist
00:17:03.580 against the wrong people.
00:17:04.540 Now we're racist 0.86
00:17:05.380 against white people,
00:17:06.140 and it's fine. 0.93
00:17:07.100 Now it's fine.
00:17:08.000 They sit around
00:17:08.740 and talk about women. 1.00
00:17:09.840 They don't even believe
00:17:10.580 women exist. 1.00
00:17:11.320 They do not even believe 0.86
00:17:12.760 women exist. 1.00
00:17:13.460 Not one of them
00:17:14.120 can define a woman. 1.00
00:17:15.300 So what are they talking about
00:17:16.400 when they're against,
00:17:17.320 when we say,
00:17:18.460 you know,
00:17:18.660 the men's sports
00:17:19.620 and women's sports
00:17:20.440 are different?
00:17:21.060 That is just a truth.
00:17:22.360 I mean,
00:17:22.560 it is just a truth
00:17:23.360 that men's sports,
00:17:24.560 with the exception of tennis,
00:17:25.960 which is an important exception,
00:17:27.420 but with the exception of tennis,
00:17:28.680 that men's sports
00:17:29.580 attract more people
00:17:31.180 because men are more into sports
00:17:32.520 and the men's,
00:17:33.900 men are of a higher excellence
00:17:35.760 than the women are. 1.00
00:17:36.900 You know,
00:17:37.440 it's just the way it is.
00:17:38.400 It's like,
00:17:38.880 why are we prosecuting reality?
00:17:41.920 We're prosecuting reality
00:17:42.940 because in reality,
00:17:44.040 people are unequal.
00:17:45.400 In reality,
00:17:46.140 freedom is good.
00:17:47.240 In reality,
00:17:47.920 America is good.
00:17:48.980 And so we're attacking
00:17:49.760 all those things
00:17:50.600 because we're hoping
00:17:51.380 to create this utopian idea
00:17:54.260 that has just infected
00:17:55.280 the minds of so many people.
00:17:56.980 It is just,
00:17:57.920 it's dangerous.
00:17:59.220 But it's so annoying
00:18:00.920 because they try,
00:18:02.040 I mean,
00:18:02.220 you really have to try
00:18:03.120 to not let them
00:18:04.020 rain on your parade,
00:18:04.960 but they try.
00:18:06.480 You know,
00:18:06.800 I'm thinking about
00:18:07.500 let's take the news business
00:18:09.220 or let's take
00:18:10.200 the acting business.
00:18:12.980 There's no sexism
00:18:14.340 in terms of the audience
00:18:15.980 and their ability
00:18:17.280 to appreciate
00:18:17.940 a male or a female
00:18:19.080 news anchor
00:18:20.320 or podcaster
00:18:21.820 for that matter.
00:18:22.560 None.
00:18:23.060 There is,
00:18:23.460 it is a pure meritocracy.
00:18:25.240 I can speak to that
00:18:26.140 having been at the top
00:18:27.440 of both industries.
00:18:29.100 When I was at Fox,
00:18:30.340 my show was number one
00:18:31.440 and we crushed
00:18:32.480 all competition
00:18:33.420 across the demo.
00:18:34.180 And we even wound up
00:18:36.480 beating Bill O'Reilly
00:18:37.300 who had been
00:18:37.760 the long-term ratings leader
00:18:39.380 for years
00:18:40.480 in that key advertising demo.
00:18:42.780 You know,
00:18:43.360 a female. 0.96
00:18:44.080 So it was,
00:18:45.020 nobody cared.
00:18:46.460 In,
00:18:46.620 you know,
00:18:47.960 Hollywood too,
00:18:49.020 there's the male Oscar,
00:18:50.420 there's the female Oscar,
00:18:51.220 but there are
00:18:51.860 mega female stars
00:18:54.080 just like there are
00:18:54.840 mega male stars.
00:18:56.620 You know,
00:18:56.840 you don't get much bigger
00:18:57.780 than a Julia Roberts
00:18:58.740 back in her day especially.
00:19:00.640 But now,
00:19:01.140 you know,
00:19:01.440 there's a lot of other ones
00:19:02.700 that we could name.
00:19:04.180 So there are many industries
00:19:05.560 where there's total parity
00:19:07.220 amongst men and women.
00:19:09.300 Now,
00:19:09.620 women have a USA hockey team
00:19:12.040 and they went to the Olympics
00:19:12.900 and won gold
00:19:13.560 and they were celebrated universally.
00:19:15.300 Women have a soccer team,
00:19:16.560 which is actually quite popular.
00:19:17.800 Soccer is very popular.
00:19:18.480 Female soccer is very, 1.00
00:19:19.560 very popular,
00:19:20.560 including the women's team,
00:19:21.480 notwithstanding people
00:19:22.560 like Megan Rapinoe
00:19:23.240 who have tried
00:19:23.720 to absolutely ruin it.
00:19:24.880 But it is,
00:19:28.420 sports in general
00:19:29.680 is generally going to favor
00:19:31.340 the men
00:19:32.260 and viewers generally prefer
00:19:34.080 watching men play sports
00:19:35.840 for the reasons I stated
00:19:37.040 at the top.
00:19:37.840 Male prowess,
00:19:38.680 male athleticism,
00:19:40.520 the male figure,
00:19:41.380 the male muscular
00:19:42.180 and musculoskeletal system,
00:19:44.900 you know,
00:19:45.260 male testosterone,
00:19:46.460 male reaction speed,
00:19:47.940 male aggression,
00:19:49.260 all the things
00:19:50.160 that have made men men
00:19:51.220 for thousands of years
00:19:52.540 translate very well
00:19:53.940 into athletics
00:19:54.560 and they're fun
00:19:55.500 to watch in that way.
00:19:57.000 They are more aggressive.
00:19:58.320 They're more aggressive
00:19:59.400 in virtually every single way.
00:20:00.820 So it's like,
00:20:02.040 it's just absurd
00:20:03.040 that we have to resort
00:20:05.500 to sexism
00:20:06.340 if there's not
00:20:06.960 an equal amount
00:20:08.320 of interest
00:20:08.980 in what the women are. 1.00
00:20:10.920 Just stop, okay?
00:20:12.500 There isn't.
00:20:13.600 Sorry,
00:20:14.320 but it doesn't make us sexist.
00:20:16.000 There's even a brain element
00:20:17.220 to this
00:20:17.680 in that when men,
00:20:19.520 this is true of all brains,
00:20:20.800 that when you watch
00:20:21.600 somebody doing something,
00:20:23.200 your brain sparks
00:20:24.440 as if you were doing it.
00:20:25.580 So if you watch a man
00:20:26.660 throw a football pass,
00:20:28.540 there's something 0.80
00:20:29.020 in your brain
00:20:29.600 that actually sparks.
00:20:30.500 It's similar
00:20:31.140 to what's going on
00:20:31.860 in his brain.
00:20:32.640 That happens more in men, 0.79
00:20:34.380 more intensely in men.
00:20:35.600 So they're kind of programmed
00:20:36.800 to like sports,
00:20:37.680 watching sports
00:20:38.360 more than women are 0.99
00:20:39.460 because they experience it
00:20:40.720 more deeply,
00:20:41.700 which is just not true
00:20:42.760 if you're,
00:20:43.260 for instance,
00:20:43.820 a news anchor
00:20:44.760 or an actress
00:20:45.580 or something like that,
00:20:46.480 then there's no difference.
00:20:48.180 And so all of these things,
00:20:49.980 you know,
00:20:50.400 all of these things
00:20:52.280 are part of the joy of life.
00:20:54.000 You know,
00:20:54.280 the old French phrase,
00:20:55.120 vive la différence, right?
00:20:57.420 You know,
00:20:57.720 these are the parts
00:20:58.620 of the things
00:20:59.160 that most of us
00:20:59.780 have been enjoying
00:21:00.540 and they're exasperating
00:21:02.020 and they're troublesome
00:21:03.020 and they are just part of,
00:21:04.660 you know,
00:21:04.940 what it means
00:21:05.420 to be a human being.
00:21:06.820 And all of this
00:21:07.400 has to be erased
00:21:08.280 in order to fulfill
00:21:10.180 the utopian dreams
00:21:11.420 of the left.
00:21:12.080 And, you know,
00:21:12.500 it's just,
00:21:13.340 what really is a shame
00:21:14.840 is this thing
00:21:15.340 where we have to play defense.
00:21:16.600 So as you say,
00:21:17.280 they rain on your parade
00:21:18.260 and we have to say,
00:21:19.480 don't rain on our parade,
00:21:20.500 which immediately brings
00:21:21.300 the argument
00:21:21.800 that they're trying
00:21:22.400 to make into the center.
00:21:23.820 I wish we could
00:21:24.400 simply ignore them.
00:21:25.340 Oh, wait.
00:21:25.640 So can I show you
00:21:26.480 something on this?
00:21:27.140 So these poor boys
00:21:27.960 now are getting asked
00:21:28.760 about this controversy,
00:21:29.940 which is a non-controversy,
00:21:31.400 at every turn.
00:21:32.100 Instead of these 1.00
00:21:32.640 asshole reporters 1.00
00:21:33.340 just celebrating them 0.99
00:21:34.340 and being like,
00:21:34.960 congrats,
00:21:35.380 we're so proud of you.
00:21:36.380 Now it's got to turn into,
00:21:38.040 oh, the controversy.
00:21:39.520 What about the controversy?
00:21:41.340 And I'll give you
00:21:43.040 an example.
00:21:43.560 Well, this,
00:21:44.900 this,
00:21:45.420 well, this is not,
00:21:47.480 the Today Show is,
00:21:48.760 I don't mean that the, 1.00
00:21:49.520 these guys are assholes 0.99
00:21:50.320 for asking it, 1.00
00:21:51.740 but we have seen
00:21:52.440 some of these reporters
00:21:53.060 sticking the mic
00:21:53.620 in the guy's faces.
00:21:54.520 But the Today Show
00:21:55.500 had an interview
00:21:56.040 with Jack Hughes,
00:21:57.860 our golden goal scorer.
00:22:00.560 And, you know,
00:22:01.440 the guy without the teeth now,
00:22:02.540 he's great.
00:22:03.400 And listen to what he said.
00:22:04.800 He handled himself very well,
00:22:05.860 but of course,
00:22:06.300 it keeps coming up.
00:22:07.120 Anyway, here,
00:22:07.860 Sat 6B.
00:22:09.180 I wish,
00:22:10.400 if there's a camera
00:22:11.520 on me and Quinn
00:22:12.240 when the women's team won,
00:22:14.220 we look like
00:22:14.800 the biggest Super fans
00:22:16.160 of all time.
00:22:16.880 We were just
00:22:17.240 jumping up and down.
00:22:18.580 We couldn't believe it.
00:22:19.960 And we locked in
00:22:20.800 and said goodbye to everyone
00:22:21.840 because we had a game
00:22:22.500 the next night.
00:22:23.160 It was,
00:22:23.380 it was late
00:22:23.940 and we sprinted out of there.
00:22:25.520 But I remember
00:22:26.300 I saw Megan in the calf. 0.88
00:22:28.780 I think it was the night
00:22:29.780 we beat Slovakius,
00:22:30.860 the night after
00:22:31.520 they won the gold medal
00:22:32.620 and we were just
00:22:33.880 waiting for food
00:22:34.680 and we were talking.
00:22:36.020 I was just like,
00:22:37.160 Megan,
00:22:37.480 I'm so proud of you.
00:22:38.520 I'm so happy for you.
00:22:40.020 You know,
00:22:40.380 couldn't have happened
00:22:40.960 to a better person
00:22:41.880 and obviously,
00:22:43.800 you know,
00:22:44.180 when mine went in,
00:22:45.020 I'm just like,
00:22:46.320 so many things,
00:22:47.580 thoughts,
00:22:48.180 and you know,
00:22:48.740 one of my first thoughts
00:22:49.720 was her
00:22:50.100 and I'm just like,
00:22:51.240 so proud to join her
00:22:52.460 as a gold medalist. 0.73
00:22:55.340 Sexist, 1.00
00:22:55.880 disgusting pig. 1.00
00:22:59.240 Yes, 1.00
00:22:59.760 and interestingly,
00:23:01.180 most competitors
00:23:02.000 in America,
00:23:03.100 although the Canadians
00:23:03.860 were a little bit bitter
00:23:04.760 about their loss,
00:23:05.720 most competitors
00:23:07.260 in America
00:23:07.840 do have that strain
00:23:09.180 of sportsmanship,
00:23:10.600 which is what sports
00:23:11.360 is all about.
00:23:12.140 I mean,
00:23:12.300 you do see,
00:23:13.440 you know,
00:23:13.700 I'm a big NFL fan.
00:23:14.820 You watch these guys
00:23:15.420 beat the living hell
00:23:16.740 out of one another
00:23:17.480 and then they shake hands
00:23:18.820 and hug each other
00:23:19.580 and congratulate each other
00:23:20.620 on the victory,
00:23:21.140 which is a very difficult,
00:23:22.240 painful thing to do
00:23:23.480 and yet they do it.
00:23:24.300 And this is all through sports.
00:23:26.520 It is only in left-wing politics
00:23:29.380 where this suddenly disappears.
00:23:31.540 You know,
00:23:31.800 I mean,
00:23:32.120 even I'm old enough
00:23:34.320 to remember
00:23:34.880 when we all sort of thought,
00:23:36.260 well,
00:23:36.540 you know,
00:23:36.740 the people voted
00:23:37.320 for the other guy
00:23:38.000 so we're going to have
00:23:38.580 to go with that.
00:23:39.480 I mean,
00:23:39.700 I remember saying that
00:23:40.660 when Obama was elected,
00:23:41.700 even knowing he was going
00:23:42.640 to be a disaster,
00:23:43.660 thinking,
00:23:43.980 well,
00:23:44.120 he got elected,
00:23:45.100 he got fairly elected
00:23:46.160 so we have to go
00:23:47.520 with the will of the people.
00:23:48.800 That ethos
00:23:50.020 has just completely disappeared
00:23:51.560 from some sections
00:23:53.500 of the right
00:23:54.040 but from all sections
00:23:55.300 of the left.
00:23:55.820 The left has basically
00:23:56.840 convinced themselves
00:23:57.740 that there are two opinions.
00:23:59.540 There's their opinion
00:24:00.320 and then there's Hitler.
00:24:01.760 You know,
00:24:01.960 there's their ideas
00:24:02.920 and then there's hatefulness.
00:24:04.180 And when you do that,
00:24:05.120 you know,
00:24:05.360 you never have to change your mind.
00:24:06.840 You never have to listen
00:24:07.560 to an argument.
00:24:08.380 You never have to confront somebody
00:24:10.100 with politeness
00:24:10.760 and kindness and respect
00:24:11.760 and say,
00:24:12.340 all right,
00:24:12.500 let's hear your ideas
00:24:13.340 and let's see how my ideas compare.
00:24:15.560 Every time they do that,
00:24:16.660 they lose.
00:24:17.260 Every time they debate,
00:24:18.260 they lose
00:24:18.660 because the things
00:24:19.500 that they're putting forward
00:24:20.180 don't work.
00:24:20.200 Yeah,
00:24:20.220 that's why they don't want to.
00:24:21.080 So yeah,
00:24:21.420 so they can't debate anymore.
00:24:22.400 So they can't talk anymore.
00:24:23.380 And the only thing they can do,
00:24:24.660 you know,
00:24:24.800 you're talking about
00:24:25.460 the State of the Union.
00:24:26.560 They're planning
00:24:27.180 a people's State of the Union
00:24:29.300 somewhere else
00:24:30.120 because they can't,
00:24:31.000 because they can't behave themselves
00:24:32.400 in a respectful way
00:24:33.740 during Trump's State of the Union.
00:24:35.200 They have to leave the room.
00:24:36.400 They're like children
00:24:37.040 who have to be put
00:24:37.940 into a separate room.
00:24:39.220 They're literally going to be outside
00:24:40.400 with people
00:24:41.340 in inflatable frog costumes
00:24:43.820 that skip,
00:24:45.200 that skip around.
00:24:46.240 Okay.
00:24:46.360 Wait,
00:24:46.920 I want to show you
00:24:47.480 another couple things.
00:24:48.900 One more from Jack Hughes.
00:24:50.520 Here's,
00:24:50.900 he's speaking to the Daily Mail.
00:24:53.220 Butted to Jack Hughes' mama
00:24:55.520 who herself is a badass. 0.99
00:24:57.740 Ellen Hughes
00:24:58.280 is not only a star hockey player
00:25:00.420 in her own right
00:25:01.360 who married a star hockey player
00:25:02.800 and they produced
00:25:03.320 three star hockey players.
00:25:04.840 Literally all three boys
00:25:05.640 are in the NHL.
00:25:06.860 But Ellen has been an advisor
00:25:08.860 and a consultant
00:25:10.720 to the women's gold medal winning team.
00:25:13.300 So she is,
00:25:14.240 she's got a foot in both camps 1.00
00:25:15.780 on this one.
00:25:16.460 So listen to Jack.
00:25:17.900 Some of this is on the politics
00:25:19.080 and Ellen too on the Today Show 0.81
00:25:20.960 speaking to the Trump comments.
00:25:23.680 Are you guys excited
00:25:24.640 to be going to the White House
00:25:25.520 and meeting Trump?
00:25:26.500 Yeah, we're excited.
00:25:27.420 I mean, anytime,
00:25:28.860 like everything is so political.
00:25:31.760 We're just,
00:25:32.240 we're athletes.
00:25:32.980 We're so proud to represent the U.S.
00:25:35.020 And when you get the chance
00:25:36.140 to go to the White House,
00:25:37.120 meet the president,
00:25:38.220 you know,
00:25:38.580 we're proud to be Americans
00:25:39.640 and, you know,
00:25:40.540 that's so patriotic.
00:25:41.480 So no matter what your views are,
00:25:43.680 we're super excited to go
00:25:45.400 to the White House tomorrow
00:25:46.960 and just be a part of that.
00:25:47.800 You're cheering on both teams.
00:25:49.280 How did that comment land for you?
00:25:52.600 Well, I think at the end of the day,
00:25:53.900 it's just about the country
00:25:55.680 and the moment that these players,
00:25:57.860 both the men and women,
00:25:59.260 can bring so much unity
00:26:01.140 to a group and to a country.
00:26:02.900 People that cheered on
00:26:04.080 that don't watch hockey.
00:26:05.600 People that have politics
00:26:06.580 on one side
00:26:07.380 or on the other side.
00:26:08.400 And that's all
00:26:10.060 both the men's team
00:26:10.960 and the women's team
00:26:11.920 care about.
00:26:12.900 If you could see
00:26:13.600 what we see from the inside
00:26:15.040 and the men and women
00:26:16.180 sharing,
00:26:16.960 you know,
00:26:17.560 dorms,
00:26:18.440 dorm rooms and halls
00:26:19.620 and flex floors
00:26:20.720 and the camaraderie
00:26:22.300 and the synergy
00:26:23.200 and the way the women 1.00
00:26:24.620 cheered on the men
00:26:25.420 and the way the men
00:26:26.220 cheered on the women.
00:26:27.440 That's what it's all about.
00:26:28.900 And the other things
00:26:29.880 they cannot control.
00:26:31.680 They care about humanity.
00:26:32.980 They care about unity
00:26:34.080 and they care about the country.
00:26:35.420 Nailed it.
00:26:37.780 That must have made
00:26:39.220 the interviewers very upset.
00:26:40.940 You know,
00:26:41.460 they're like villains.
00:26:42.960 They're like villains
00:26:43.540 in a cartoon.
00:26:44.280 No, unity.
00:26:44.960 We don't want that.
00:26:45.920 Yeah.
00:26:46.340 You know,
00:26:47.080 it's like it's embarrassing.
00:26:49.820 What did you make
00:26:50.600 of the president's comment?
00:26:51.680 You hated it,
00:26:52.380 didn't you?
00:26:52.900 The implication clearly is.
00:26:54.160 Yeah, yeah.
00:26:54.760 And it's just it is a shame.
00:26:56.800 It is kind of comical.
00:26:58.480 I just I just wish
00:26:59.780 we had enough media territory.
00:27:01.280 We're winning
00:27:01.800 some media territory
00:27:02.740 and we've certainly
00:27:03.540 changed the game a lot
00:27:04.920 because of shows like yours
00:27:06.500 and The Daily Wire
00:27:07.300 and all these other places.
00:27:08.700 But it's still not enough.
00:27:10.020 They can still push
00:27:10.780 this agenda into the world.
00:27:12.600 I mean, I wonder,
00:27:13.440 you know,
00:27:13.600 I keep seeing these polls
00:27:14.740 and I believe the polls.
00:27:16.080 I think the polls are true
00:27:16.940 that people are unhappy,
00:27:18.700 feel that they're worse off
00:27:20.120 than they were a year ago.
00:27:21.420 And that's going to be
00:27:22.320 an impediment
00:27:23.540 to Trump's
00:27:24.460 State of the Union message.
00:27:25.600 But I kind of wonder
00:27:26.440 what they're seeing.
00:27:27.480 What is it?
00:27:28.140 Are their economics worse
00:27:30.040 than they were a year ago?
00:27:31.520 And it's just taking a while
00:27:32.780 for the general rise
00:27:34.000 in the economy
00:27:34.560 to catch up with them?
00:27:35.460 Or is it just the news
00:27:37.020 is so full of panic
00:27:38.700 and hatred and and division
00:27:41.020 that that's infecting
00:27:42.400 the way they think?
00:27:43.140 I don't know the answer
00:27:43.920 to that question.
00:27:44.820 I'm surprised that people feel
00:27:46.400 that they're worse off
00:27:47.320 than they were under Biden.
00:27:49.120 I mean, the worst president
00:27:50.400 of my lifetime,
00:27:51.080 which goes back
00:27:51.660 to the Civil War,
00:27:52.840 you know, and I don't
00:27:54.000 I don't know
00:27:54.580 what they're seeing.
00:27:55.240 But I wonder
00:27:56.260 if it's this kind of
00:27:57.680 this media infusion
00:28:00.240 of division and hatred.
00:28:01.560 It may well be,
00:28:02.300 but I don't know.
00:28:04.220 I'm looking for this tweet
00:28:06.080 because it was very funny to me.
00:28:09.200 Yeah, here it is.
00:28:10.420 So somebody named Liz
00:28:11.660 tweets out the following.
00:28:14.080 It's got 1.2 million views already
00:28:15.600 with 56,000 likes.
00:28:18.140 Thinking about the hockey moms
00:28:19.660 that spent over a decade
00:28:21.280 of their lives
00:28:21.940 driving their sons
00:28:23.140 to and from hockey practice
00:28:24.440 and games
00:28:25.000 just for their sons
00:28:26.380 to grow up
00:28:27.060 to become Olympic gold medalists
00:28:28.980 who laugh
00:28:30.040 at misogynistic jokes
00:28:32.160 at the expense
00:28:33.500 of women.
00:28:34.920 And then you've got
00:28:35.960 like this response
00:28:37.440 from Jill
00:28:37.900 who I reposted.
00:28:39.340 Hockey moms saw a team
00:28:40.340 of hardworking,
00:28:41.100 dedicated young men.
00:28:42.480 Hockey moms are proud
00:28:43.240 of how this team
00:28:43.820 represented their country.
00:28:45.180 Hockey moms saw 0.93
00:28:45.840 that these men are a family
00:28:46.920 and will never forget
00:28:48.000 those that they have lost.
00:28:50.000 Hockey moms saw the joy
00:28:51.100 in their own sons' eyes
00:28:52.240 when they watched this team
00:28:53.180 win gold on Sunday.
00:28:54.620 Us hockey moms
00:28:55.420 don't have time 1.00
00:28:56.160 for your bullshit. 1.00
00:28:56.800 That seems to encapsulate 1.00
00:29:00.020 the true hockey mom
00:29:01.500 and American attitude.
00:29:02.980 Absolutely.
00:29:03.500 And if these people
00:29:04.260 care so much
00:29:04.900 about women's sports,
00:29:05.760 how come they let men 1.00
00:29:06.500 play them?
00:29:07.360 You know,
00:29:07.500 how come they're so eager
00:29:09.080 to have men
00:29:10.100 dressed up as women 1.00
00:29:11.260 beat the living crap 0.99
00:29:12.960 out of actual women 0.99
00:29:15.080 in a boxing ring?
00:29:16.520 You know?
00:29:16.860 Why is that okay?
00:29:18.200 Why is it okay
00:29:18.940 to stick these male swimmers
00:29:21.140 into swimming pools?
00:29:22.440 I've seen how girls 1.00
00:29:23.500 work hard
00:29:23.980 to become great swimmers
00:29:25.040 and they put a man
00:29:26.040 in there
00:29:26.340 who pretends
00:29:27.400 he's a woman 0.67
00:29:27.900 and he beats
00:29:29.300 their speed.
00:29:30.740 I mean,
00:29:30.920 why is that okay?
00:29:31.920 I don't understand
00:29:32.740 why suddenly
00:29:33.760 their dear hearts
00:29:35.300 tremble
00:29:35.800 for these poor women 1.00
00:29:37.400 who they were ready
00:29:38.220 to erase yesterday.
00:29:40.080 I mean,
00:29:40.260 the day before the Olympics,
00:29:41.740 they were ready
00:29:42.360 to erase these women 1.00
00:29:43.220 completely off the face 1.00
00:29:44.600 of the earth.
00:29:44.960 They didn't exist.
00:29:45.700 They couldn't define
00:29:46.440 what a woman was 1.00
00:29:47.340 so that a man
00:29:48.120 had to be able
00:29:48.680 to play with them.
00:29:49.620 I don't understand
00:29:50.360 the sentiment.
00:29:50.780 This brings me to
00:29:51.700 a guy named
00:29:52.440 Ian Kennedy.
00:29:53.160 Ian Kennedy is,
00:29:55.300 he says he works
00:29:55.880 for the Hockey News,
00:29:56.800 editor at the Hockey News W,
00:29:58.540 author of a book
00:29:59.700 about women in hockey
00:30:02.180 and he tweets out,
00:30:05.200 as NHL players
00:30:06.000 return to their teams
00:30:06.920 and as Team USA
00:30:07.760 heads to meet
00:30:08.440 with the president,
00:30:09.080 remember that they've
00:30:09.820 all had plenty of time
00:30:10.700 to speak out,
00:30:11.720 to apologize for laughing,
00:30:13.460 to condemn
00:30:14.160 that type of misogyny
00:30:15.480 and to tout
00:30:16.440 the achievement
00:30:17.000 of USA's women's team.
00:30:19.600 They haven't.
00:30:20.380 All that is untrue
00:30:21.920 but the internet,
00:30:25.740 Twitter points out to me, 0.99
00:30:27.260 this man hates women 0.99
00:30:28.480 and doesn't even want 1.00
00:30:29.240 them to have sports
00:30:29.940 and retweets something
00:30:31.360 he tweeted on 2525,
00:30:33.760 so a year ago.
00:30:35.140 Trans women are women. 0.90
00:30:36.520 Trans rights are human rights.
00:30:38.000 Trans women belong 0.77
00:30:38.940 in women's sports.
00:30:40.340 To your point, sir.
00:30:41.420 Yeah, yeah,
00:30:41.940 no question about it
00:30:42.780 and it's just
00:30:43.480 the absolute destruction.
00:30:45.160 It's not just the destruction
00:30:46.120 of women's sports.
00:30:46.880 I mean, you and I
00:30:47.260 have talked about this a lot.
00:30:48.300 It's the destruction
00:30:48.860 of the identity of womanhood
00:30:50.220 which is,
00:30:51.180 I hate to break this to you
00:30:52.960 but it's one of the key
00:30:53.900 identities of humanity.
00:30:55.560 There are only two kinds
00:30:56.400 of human beings.
00:30:56.880 It's a big one.
00:30:57.380 Yeah, it's the only two kinds
00:30:58.240 of human beings in the world.
00:30:59.240 There's men and women.
00:31:00.060 Everybody else is pretty much
00:31:01.140 the same.
00:31:02.060 You know, there's only,
00:31:02.720 that's the big difference
00:31:03.680 between human beings
00:31:05.280 is gender.
00:31:06.240 That's it.
00:31:06.920 And so,
00:31:07.560 I don't really understand.
00:31:09.460 It is about the division.
00:31:11.360 It is about the hatred.
00:31:12.560 It's about...
00:31:13.240 Yes, they want,
00:31:14.020 they can't stand it.
00:31:15.220 They're not,
00:31:15.700 these leftists
00:31:16.120 are not having the same
00:31:16.940 feeling that we're feeling
00:31:18.760 when, you know,
00:31:20.140 instead of being like,
00:31:20.760 oh my God,
00:31:21.280 even a moment of patriotism,
00:31:23.420 like we can all come together
00:31:24.460 over this.
00:31:25.220 And we're so naive.
00:31:26.880 We're kind of sweet
00:31:27.900 in our naivete.
00:31:29.320 Like, yes,
00:31:30.620 we're going to embrace everybody.
00:31:32.180 And the leftists are like, 1.00
00:31:34.220 what part of tear that shit down 1.00
00:31:36.840 didn't you believe? 1.00
00:31:38.860 Yes. 0.99
00:31:39.500 We can't fucking stand the country. 0.99
00:31:42.120 We've made ourselves 0.99
00:31:42.940 perfectly clear.
00:31:44.180 Stop trying to stick
00:31:45.440 that olive branch
00:31:46.340 in our faces.
00:31:46.880 That's exactly
00:31:48.080 what I'm trying to say.
00:31:49.120 That is exactly,
00:31:49.680 the division between this,
00:31:50.920 in this country now
00:31:51.740 is not a division,
00:31:52.800 it's not even a division
00:31:53.580 between right and left.
00:31:55.120 It's a division
00:31:55.860 between pro-founding
00:31:57.280 and anti-founding.
00:31:58.600 It's whether this country
00:31:59.660 should have been founded
00:32:00.400 and whether the people
00:32:01.160 who founded it
00:32:01.560 were great men
00:32:02.360 who moved politics
00:32:03.660 into a brand new era
00:32:06.220 of freedom
00:32:07.140 that absolutely redefined
00:32:08.980 the values of the human race
00:32:10.200 in the West,
00:32:10.860 which it actually did.
00:32:12.340 I mean,
00:32:12.540 even the Soviet Union
00:32:13.600 had to say
00:32:14.060 it was a union of republics,
00:32:15.340 which it wasn't,
00:32:15.920 because of us,
00:32:16.740 because we,
00:32:17.880 our founding redefined
00:32:19.360 what was good
00:32:19.880 and what was bad
00:32:20.600 in politics.
00:32:22.060 Are we supposed
00:32:23.060 to be proud
00:32:23.580 of that founding
00:32:24.120 or are we not?
00:32:25.380 And this is,
00:32:25.980 you know,
00:32:26.160 the other day
00:32:26.660 I was watching TV
00:32:27.480 and I heard a Democrat
00:32:28.480 come on and say
00:32:29.240 he was against
00:32:29.780 all the radicalism
00:32:30.920 in the Democrat Party
00:32:31.720 because he was a JFK Democrat.
00:32:33.800 And I thought,
00:32:34.580 I'm a JFK Democrat,
00:32:35.620 that's why I'm a Republican.
00:32:37.280 You know,
00:32:37.500 that category
00:32:38.720 does not exist
00:32:40.040 in the Democrat Party anymore
00:32:41.380 and it doesn't exist
00:32:42.500 in the left
00:32:43.020 and it's because
00:32:44.000 a very small number
00:32:45.340 of people,
00:32:46.340 leftists,
00:32:46.920 have been magnified
00:32:48.080 by the media
00:32:48.760 and by Hollywood.
00:32:49.700 That is why it's like this
00:32:50.880 and because our children
00:32:52.100 are educated.
00:32:52.680 They would rather,
00:32:56.060 however,
00:32:56.680 celebrate the likes
00:32:57.960 of Eileen Gu,
00:33:00.660 who,
00:33:01.500 I mean,
00:33:01.920 she's being called
00:33:02.600 a traitor by some.
00:33:03.780 That's probably too strong,
00:33:05.020 but there's no question
00:33:06.540 this woman
00:33:07.160 has gotten
00:33:08.360 millions of dollars,
00:33:09.800 millions,
00:33:10.460 reportedly over $20 million
00:33:11.720 in endorsements
00:33:13.740 largely from Chinese companies
00:33:15.680 even though
00:33:16.720 she's American.
00:33:18.420 She was born here,
00:33:19.680 but she has a Chinese mother 0.87
00:33:21.020 and she was recruited
00:33:22.520 by the Chinese
00:33:23.240 for that reason
00:33:23.900 to play,
00:33:25.060 to ski for them
00:33:26.220 and unlike Alyssa Liu,
00:33:28.540 our golden ice skater,
00:33:31.120 she,
00:33:32.000 Eileen Gu,
00:33:32.660 the skier,
00:33:33.660 took the money
00:33:34.660 and she went over there
00:33:36.700 and skied for China
00:33:38.540 and won some golds
00:33:40.260 skiing for China
00:33:41.620 and she's being celebrated
00:33:44.460 universally
00:33:45.620 by the leftist media
00:33:47.520 here in America.
00:33:48.740 They're making a heroine
00:33:49.980 out of this woman 0.99
00:33:51.040 and what I see
00:33:53.180 is this.
00:33:55.060 Look at her
00:33:55.740 during
00:33:56.360 the Chinese
00:33:57.720 national anthem.
00:34:06.340 She's singing it.
00:34:07.440 Okay,
00:34:20.140 I'm sorry,
00:34:20.740 but that's just gross.
00:34:21.660 Yeah.
00:34:21.880 That's just gross.
00:34:22.500 That's a sellout
00:34:23.420 to China,
00:34:24.560 enjoy your money.
00:34:25.580 Why would the media
00:34:26.540 be celebrating her?
00:34:27.940 It's a really good question,
00:34:29.340 especially when you consider
00:34:30.280 that the Chinese,
00:34:31.820 first of all,
00:34:32.460 they spy on every single
00:34:34.120 one of their citizens,
00:34:35.160 which is a lot of citizens.
00:34:36.160 They put Uyghurs in camps 1.00
00:34:38.080 and re-education camps.
00:34:39.500 They are said,
00:34:40.540 and I believe it,
00:34:41.420 to act...
00:34:41.860 Where they're forced
00:34:42.480 into sterilization.
00:34:43.760 Yes, and to have
00:34:44.440 their organs sold,
00:34:46.180 which I actually believe,
00:34:47.360 which is like a horror movie,
00:34:49.140 you know,
00:34:49.340 something someone like me
00:34:50.600 might make up.
00:34:51.600 It's just an absolutely
00:34:53.580 criminal slave state 0.73
00:34:55.680 and why the representatives
00:34:57.240 of that state...
00:34:58.220 One of the reasons
00:34:59.780 the Olympics don't land on me
00:35:01.100 as hard as they do
00:35:01.720 on some people's...
00:35:02.420 Because I don't care
00:35:03.000 whether America wins.
00:35:03.900 I still think America is better.
00:35:05.540 If America had lost to Canada,
00:35:07.440 it wouldn't have changed
00:35:08.160 my feelings about the country anyway.
00:35:09.920 Like, I can understand
00:35:10.760 watching football,
00:35:11.580 maybe Pittsburgh is better
00:35:13.040 than Baltimore,
00:35:14.120 you know,
00:35:14.780 but the idea that China
00:35:15.920 is better than America 0.98
00:35:16.780 would never occur to me.
00:35:18.200 And I think that this idea,
00:35:19.480 especially as you were saying
00:35:20.420 this, Alyssa Liu,
00:35:21.320 I believe her father
00:35:22.780 escaped after Tiananmen Square.
00:35:25.100 He got out of China.
00:35:25.640 Yes, they went the other way.
00:35:26.600 That's right.
00:35:27.040 And so...
00:35:27.480 They went the way...
00:35:28.040 He fled China
00:35:28.960 and is here.
00:35:30.360 Did anybody on the right say,
00:35:31.680 oh, we can't celebrate her,
00:35:33.340 she's Chinese? 1.00
00:35:33.920 No, of course not.
00:35:34.720 She's an all-American.
00:35:35.660 We, you know,
00:35:36.140 this is the wonderful thing
00:35:37.400 about this country.
00:35:37.980 We will magically turn you
00:35:39.240 into an American.
00:35:40.180 All you have to do
00:35:40.920 is support our, you know,
00:35:42.540 our values.
00:35:43.840 Well...
00:35:44.360 Unfortunately, the left doesn't.
00:35:44.920 Here's what they're doing
00:35:45.460 with Eileen Gu.
00:35:46.080 I'll just give you
00:35:46.600 a couple of quick headlines.
00:35:48.880 ESPN has an op-ed,
00:35:50.940 Eileen Gu's all-American choice
00:35:53.560 to ski for China.
00:35:56.880 What?
00:35:57.240 What does that even mean?
00:35:59.060 He's got his...
00:36:00.580 Andrew's got his head
00:36:01.480 in his hands.
00:36:03.500 Celebrating her
00:36:04.060 as freestyle skiing's
00:36:06.100 biggest star.
00:36:07.280 She's a case study
00:36:08.220 in modern leadership.
00:36:10.380 Wow.
00:36:11.460 Talking about her 23 million.
00:36:13.200 She mastered the Olympics,
00:36:14.620 calling her the snow princess,
00:36:16.640 superstar,
00:36:17.900 courtesy of The Athletic.
00:36:19.680 All these in-depth profiles on her.
00:36:21.800 We're not doing that
00:36:22.340 for any other Chinese athletes.
00:36:23.960 Why are we doing that for her?
00:36:24.660 Did you have...
00:36:25.040 Because she's an American
00:36:25.780 who betrayed us?
00:36:28.060 Yeah.
00:36:28.320 Therefore, that gets you
00:36:29.220 all this ink
00:36:29.860 and greater endorsement.
00:36:30.880 And can I just show you...
00:36:32.120 Let me show you
00:36:32.760 who Eileen Gu is
00:36:33.740 because this is not
00:36:34.660 a likable person.
00:36:35.980 Absolutely not
00:36:36.860 a likable person.
00:36:37.700 Watch.
00:36:38.660 I'm so proud
00:36:39.740 of how I've done
00:36:40.940 this Olympics.
00:36:41.960 I joke,
00:36:43.480 I'm not a betting woman,
00:36:44.740 but if I were,
00:36:45.600 I took a big gamble
00:36:46.440 this time
00:36:47.220 because I chose
00:36:48.320 to do three events
00:36:49.020 knowing that I hadn't
00:36:50.160 trained half-pipe
00:36:50.740 in two months,
00:36:51.800 knowing that I would miss
00:36:52.720 the half-pipe training,
00:36:54.080 I'm an introspective young woman.
00:36:55.380 Like, I spend a lot of time
00:36:56.460 in my head
00:36:56.980 and it's not a bad place to be.
00:36:58.980 The fact is,
00:36:59.640 I get to become
00:37:00.540 every day
00:37:01.300 the kind of person
00:37:02.600 that me at age eight
00:37:03.940 would revere.
00:37:05.300 Like, I would be obsessed
00:37:06.280 with me today.
00:37:06.880 Are you kidding?
00:37:07.320 I would love me.
00:37:08.300 Global beneficial impact
00:37:09.820 is like my central theme.
00:37:11.720 The fact is,
00:37:12.340 a rising tide
00:37:12.980 raises all boats
00:37:13.800 and so this is also good
00:37:15.120 for every other athlete
00:37:16.380 competing,
00:37:17.260 regardless of what country
00:37:18.040 you compete for.
00:37:19.540 That's wonderful.
00:37:20.700 She's giving Gail Kim 0.89
00:37:21.620 post-Blue Origin.
00:37:24.740 I'm an inspiration.
00:37:26.020 The wonder of me.
00:37:26.480 Just ask me.
00:37:27.240 The wonder of me.
00:37:28.200 The eight-year-old me
00:37:29.640 would revere me.
00:37:31.980 Who talks like that?
00:37:34.060 That's amazing.
00:37:35.080 I love that.
00:37:35.960 The eight-year-old me
00:37:36.860 would revere me.
00:37:38.120 You know,
00:37:38.520 who would look back
00:37:39.360 on the eight-year-old me
00:37:40.220 and think it might
00:37:40.740 one day become me.
00:37:43.040 The great circle of me
00:37:44.900 is absolutely
00:37:45.580 complete and inescapable.
00:37:47.740 That's wonderful.
00:37:48.740 Is the left so far gone?
00:37:50.140 These media writers
00:37:50.900 that they look at that
00:37:51.760 and they think,
00:37:52.440 yeah, right on.
00:37:53.300 No way.
00:37:54.200 They've got to see
00:37:55.120 how self-aggrandizing she is. 1.00
00:37:56.920 Contrast that with Jack Hughes
00:37:58.820 right after winning gold
00:38:01.660 for the men's team
00:38:03.560 saying it's all on the goalie.
00:38:06.880 He outplayed everybody
00:38:07.880 by a mile
00:38:08.760 and also finding a way
00:38:10.680 to praise the opponents.
00:38:12.260 The Canadian team
00:38:13.160 was amazing.
00:38:14.520 Not one word about himself
00:38:17.880 we'll play it.
00:38:19.560 Back the first gold medal
00:38:20.860 for the United States
00:38:21.760 in 46 years
00:38:23.080 and you delivered it.
00:38:24.400 Can you just describe
00:38:25.240 the emotions
00:38:25.720 of this moment right now?
00:38:27.120 This is all about
00:38:28.280 our country right now.
00:38:29.840 I love the USA.
00:38:31.480 I love my teammates.
00:38:33.360 It's unbelievable.
00:38:34.580 The USA Hockey Brotherhood
00:38:35.940 is so strong
00:38:37.280 and we have so much support
00:38:38.980 from ex-players
00:38:39.780 and I'm so proud
00:38:41.320 to be American today.
00:38:42.360 This was such an incredible
00:38:45.400 game to grind out.
00:38:46.680 I mean, you're bleeding
00:38:47.320 right through it
00:38:48.140 just looking at you right now.
00:38:49.580 Can you just talk about
00:38:50.340 how difficult
00:38:51.040 this gold medal was to win?
00:38:53.260 Unbelievable game
00:38:54.120 by Hellebuck.
00:38:55.080 He was our best player
00:38:56.180 tonight by a mile.
00:38:57.540 Unbelievable game.
00:38:58.960 Unreal game by our team.
00:39:00.760 That's just a ballsy,
00:39:01.780 gutsy win.
00:39:02.840 That's American hockey
00:39:03.820 right there.
00:39:04.720 That's a great Canadian team
00:39:06.000 but we're USA.
00:39:07.580 We're so proud
00:39:08.160 to be Americans.
00:39:09.300 Tonight was all
00:39:09.900 for the country.
00:39:12.660 All right,
00:39:13.220 so just to sum up,
00:39:14.640 he mentioned
00:39:15.200 when she specifically said
00:39:16.380 you,
00:39:17.140 how did you do it?
00:39:18.340 You scored the game winner.
00:39:20.040 It's about the country.
00:39:22.060 It's about
00:39:22.780 the hockey brotherhood.
00:39:25.700 It's about the ex-players
00:39:27.080 who have been so supportive.
00:39:28.200 It's about Hallibuck
00:39:29.080 who outplayed everybody
00:39:30.140 by a mile.
00:39:31.060 It's about the team.
00:39:32.360 It's about American hockey again.
00:39:34.420 It's about the great Canadian team
00:39:35.960 and it's about love of country.
00:39:38.000 Not me!
00:39:40.240 I revere me!
00:39:43.020 I'm crushing everything!
00:39:45.220 Doesn't everyone love me?
00:39:48.360 You know,
00:39:49.040 it's also,
00:39:50.320 I mean,
00:39:50.600 he's praising the goalie.
00:39:52.260 The Canadians were so bitter 1.00
00:39:53.780 that they were saying,
00:39:54.840 well,
00:39:55.060 they were suggesting,
00:39:56.780 they didn't come out
00:39:57.300 and say it,
00:39:57.800 but they were suggesting
00:39:58.500 that they were the better team
00:39:59.740 because they took more shots
00:40:01.000 and they did.
00:40:01.720 I mean,
00:40:02.000 it was an onslaught.
00:40:02.940 They actually took
00:40:03.680 shot after shot
00:40:04.760 after shot
00:40:05.160 and the goalie
00:40:05.720 kept blocking them
00:40:06.980 and so they were saying,
00:40:08.120 well,
00:40:08.180 we were really the better team
00:40:09.140 because we took more shots,
00:40:10.200 which is actually
00:40:11.220 not the way hockey is played.
00:40:12.800 The shots have to go
00:40:13.520 into the goal.
00:40:15.120 But look,
00:40:15.600 none of them...
00:40:16.220 Thank you for us
00:40:17.220 non-sports lovers.
00:40:18.200 I appreciate that
00:40:19.000 because I've been confused.
00:40:20.860 I know.
00:40:21.340 It was complex stuff.
00:40:22.980 But, you know,
00:40:23.860 this is a really interesting thing.
00:40:26.160 What that guy was saying
00:40:27.020 is what we expect
00:40:28.000 in America
00:40:28.620 of our sportsmen.
00:40:30.320 It is what we expect them to say.
00:40:31.880 Like I said,
00:40:33.100 I watch football.
00:40:33.780 I watch football
00:40:34.500 all season long
00:40:35.420 and I expect the quarterback
00:40:36.820 to come out
00:40:37.300 and thank the line.
00:40:38.160 I expect him to come out
00:40:38.860 and thank his receivers
00:40:39.640 and to say that it's a great team
00:40:41.340 and when he fails,
00:40:42.960 he says,
00:40:43.580 I blew it.
00:40:44.640 You know,
00:40:44.980 that is what we expect.
00:40:45.960 That's what American sportsmen
00:40:47.220 talk about.
00:40:47.560 That's when you use I.
00:40:48.600 Yep.
00:40:49.040 And we know it.
00:40:50.540 We all feel this way
00:40:51.540 and we put it on our kids.
00:40:53.580 We teach it to our kids.
00:40:54.800 This is one of the reasons
00:40:56.200 why when the left says
00:40:57.320 there should be no score,
00:40:59.340 you know,
00:40:59.620 we should have no score.
00:41:00.720 This is one of the things
00:41:01.440 they wanted to teach kids
00:41:02.280 for a long time.
00:41:03.020 There are no winners and losers.
00:41:04.420 It's the fact
00:41:05.180 that there are winners and losers
00:41:06.240 that shapes people
00:41:07.460 into sportsmen.
00:41:08.560 The fact that you can lose
00:41:09.860 with grace
00:41:10.380 means that you can win
00:41:11.620 in a fury
00:41:12.320 and win with grace
00:41:13.200 and those are,
00:41:13.860 that's,
00:41:14.160 I don't know.
00:41:14.700 To me,
00:41:15.020 that's more important
00:41:15.620 than who wins the game.
00:41:16.460 It actually is.
00:41:17.340 You know,
00:41:17.560 I mean,
00:41:17.800 now that you're saying that
00:41:19.120 you're so right
00:41:19.820 and when you're saying it,
00:41:21.060 Andrew,
00:41:21.260 I'm thinking about
00:41:22.020 the two stories
00:41:23.420 about Eileen Gu
00:41:24.300 are totally connected.
00:41:26.020 The same woman 0.99
00:41:26.860 who talks like that
00:41:27.720 about herself
00:41:28.380 would take the 23 million
00:41:30.420 bucks
00:41:30.820 in endorsement deals
00:41:32.040 to go play for the Chinese 0.95
00:41:33.400 and sing their anthem
00:41:34.320 even though she's American,
00:41:35.700 right?
00:41:35.980 It's the same person.
00:41:37.280 It's no accident
00:41:38.220 that she
00:41:39.720 is wrapped
00:41:41.040 in a Chinese flag
00:41:42.600 singing the Chinese
00:41:44.040 national anthem
00:41:44.880 and then sat down
00:41:46.980 and wanted us
00:41:47.580 all to know
00:41:48.300 how great
00:41:49.260 she is.
00:41:50.700 And I have to say,
00:41:51.620 I hadn't heard
00:41:52.680 those headlines
00:41:53.260 you were reading.
00:41:53.860 That was the first time
00:41:54.520 I'd heard them
00:41:55.020 and I can't imagine
00:41:56.220 what's in those guys'
00:41:57.000 minds.
00:41:58.380 What are they talking about?
00:41:59.860 Do they not know
00:42:00.840 what China is?
00:42:01.220 Well, what's the story
00:42:01.760 with sports writers?
00:42:03.180 As an American man
00:42:04.340 who probably reads
00:42:05.120 a lot more sports
00:42:05.740 than I do,
00:42:06.640 is sports writing
00:42:07.980 completely woke?
00:42:09.360 Yes.
00:42:09.920 Because I can't get over
00:42:11.980 the number of headlines
00:42:13.100 written by men
00:42:14.200 that are very woke 0.94
00:42:15.700 and annoying
00:42:16.240 about our male hockey team.
00:42:17.800 I actually canceled
00:42:19.420 many years ago,
00:42:20.360 publicly canceled
00:42:21.500 my subscription
00:42:22.700 to Sports Illustrated
00:42:24.180 because I got so sick
00:42:25.740 of them attacking God.
00:42:27.580 Every time I remember
00:42:28.760 Drew Brees
00:42:29.720 got up and gave a speech
00:42:31.120 where some kid,
00:42:32.180 little kid,
00:42:32.780 asked him
00:42:33.060 what was his super word,
00:42:34.580 what was his strength word
00:42:35.440 and he said faith.
00:42:37.040 And in covering this,
00:42:37.960 Sports Illustrated
00:42:38.480 wrote three paragraphs
00:42:39.480 on why he didn't mean
00:42:40.580 faith in Jesus,
00:42:41.960 which is what he meant.
00:42:43.240 That was exactly
00:42:44.200 what he was talking about.
00:42:45.280 But he didn't necessarily
00:42:46.240 mean that
00:42:46.800 because that would be divisive.
00:42:47.960 That was what Sports Illustrated
00:42:49.000 said and I said,
00:42:49.560 I'm canceling my subscription
00:42:50.520 and they complained.
00:42:51.820 They went on Hugh Hewitt
00:42:52.620 show and attacked me
00:42:53.880 for canceling my subscription.
00:42:55.480 And I just thought,
00:42:56.040 no, you guys,
00:42:57.080 you know,
00:42:57.420 this is what sports
00:42:58.660 is all about.
00:42:59.580 It is all about faith.
00:43:00.640 It's all about,
00:43:01.160 you know, excellence.
00:43:01.900 It's all about the things
00:43:02.680 that men care about.
00:43:03.780 You know, people always say,
00:43:04.800 they always say men
00:43:05.540 only have one thing
00:43:06.340 on their mind
00:43:06.860 and always say,
00:43:07.340 yes, excellence.
00:43:08.420 Men think, 0.98
00:43:09.080 that is the thing
00:43:09.700 that men think about
00:43:10.360 from the minute they wake up
00:43:11.460 to the minute they go to bed.
00:43:12.660 How can I be excellent?
00:43:14.120 And when you look at sports,
00:43:15.440 you know,
00:43:15.960 look, you know,
00:43:16.860 I played sports as a little kid,
00:43:18.120 but I'm not a sportsman.
00:43:19.360 But when I look at them,
00:43:20.480 I am inspired to be excellent.
00:43:22.620 Better than I am.
00:43:23.440 I want to make sure
00:43:24.040 that I did all the work
00:43:25.040 I need to do
00:43:25.700 to do my job well.
00:43:27.260 That's what sports is about.
00:43:28.440 You know,
00:43:28.540 you're just hitting a ball
00:43:29.760 with a stick after all.
00:43:31.000 It has no meaning
00:43:32.240 except the meaning
00:43:32.940 that it has to the spectator.
00:43:34.540 And the spectator
00:43:35.220 is looking at this
00:43:35.860 and saying,
00:43:36.220 this is excellence.
00:43:36.920 And that is the thing
00:43:37.740 that is primary
00:43:38.600 in most men's makeup
00:43:40.160 is how to achieve excellence.
00:43:42.640 And it's happening,
00:43:43.600 by the way,
00:43:43.940 notwithstanding
00:43:44.240 all these naysayers
00:43:45.000 and these terrible
00:43:45.500 negative Nellies, 0.96
00:43:47.060 all the guys' social media
00:43:48.980 is shooting up,
00:43:50.340 you know,
00:43:50.660 by the thousand after thousand
00:43:52.180 in terms of followers,
00:43:53.500 their influence is growing,
00:43:55.660 their, you know,
00:43:56.600 ability to message
00:43:57.560 to the American public
00:43:58.500 is growing.
00:43:59.120 All that's great.
00:44:00.680 And now over on team women
00:44:02.680 who,
00:44:04.540 let's just keep in mind,
00:44:05.660 they are not
00:44:06.240 in a controversy.
00:44:07.280 People are starting
00:44:07.800 to turn on them
00:44:08.500 on the right
00:44:08.940 too soon.
00:44:10.440 OK, they declined
00:44:12.640 the president's invitation
00:44:14.080 to go to the White House
00:44:15.680 or to go to the State
00:44:16.520 of the Union
00:44:16.980 saying they just have
00:44:18.200 too many other commitments.
00:44:19.540 That is,
00:44:20.160 but saying we're very honored
00:44:21.760 to be asked.
00:44:22.280 Thank you so much.
00:44:23.180 That's fine.
00:44:23.820 That doesn't mean
00:44:24.520 that they're snubbing
00:44:25.280 the president.
00:44:26.400 That they actually do.
00:44:27.540 Mark Thiessen
00:44:27.960 was pointing this out
00:44:28.900 on his ex-feed
00:44:30.460 saying a lot of these gals 1.00
00:44:32.300 are still in college
00:44:33.460 and they are in the NCAA.
00:44:35.840 They've missed
00:44:36.480 almost a month of school
00:44:37.720 and eight games
00:44:39.220 with their NCAA teams.
00:44:40.900 Some who are in
00:44:41.840 the Professional
00:44:42.520 Women's Hockey League.
00:44:43.720 The break is now over
00:44:44.800 and unlike NHL players,
00:44:47.040 their teams can't send
00:44:48.020 charter planes
00:44:48.600 to come get them
00:44:49.640 back by the game.
00:44:50.420 I think he means
00:44:50.980 because of dough.
00:44:52.000 It's not as rich
00:44:53.120 or lucrative a business.
00:44:55.820 They were extremely gracious,
00:44:56.900 he points out,
00:44:57.380 in their statement
00:44:57.800 explaining why
00:44:58.380 they couldn't come.
00:44:59.700 So maybe we'll get
00:45:02.000 to the point
00:45:02.480 where they're like,
00:45:03.380 we didn't go
00:45:03.880 because we hate Trump
00:45:04.620 and then we can have
00:45:05.780 that conversation.
00:45:06.400 But it's too soon.
00:45:07.580 They've done nothing wrong.
00:45:08.720 They've been very supportive
00:45:09.660 of their male counterparts 0.60
00:45:11.120 on the men's team.
00:45:12.640 They're not out there
00:45:13.440 saying that these are 0.99
00:45:14.160 sexist pigs. 1.00
00:45:15.200 I'm sure they heard 1.00
00:45:16.200 these guys who they know
00:45:17.100 very well saying,
00:45:18.400 yeah, two for two,
00:45:19.220 absolutely, bring them. 1.00
00:45:20.540 And unlike these idiots 1.00
00:45:21.940 who are ripping on the men, 1.00
00:45:24.720 these women know these guys 0.99
00:45:26.020 and I'm sure love them.
00:45:28.640 They've spent countless hours
00:45:29.900 with one another,
00:45:31.080 rooting for each other,
00:45:32.000 living with each other,
00:45:32.980 not with, with,
00:45:33.640 but, you know,
00:45:33.900 in the same quarters generally.
00:45:34.940 And the women's hockey team
00:45:38.360 now has received
00:45:39.460 an invitation from
00:45:40.560 Flavor Flav,
00:45:43.440 Flava Flav
00:45:44.800 is how you're supposed
00:45:45.680 to say it.
00:45:47.120 Flav would like
00:45:49.640 to extend an invitation
00:45:51.060 to them to host them
00:45:51.780 for a big rager
00:45:52.540 out in Vegas,
00:45:54.020 do some nice dinners,
00:45:55.120 he writes,
00:45:55.460 and shows in good times.
00:45:56.840 I'm sure he can get
00:45:57.420 a hotel and airline
00:45:58.100 to help me out here
00:45:58.800 and celebrate the women
00:45:59.560 for real, for real.
00:46:00.820 So, now this is definitely
00:46:02.440 meant to be a thumb
00:46:03.680 in the eye to Trump.
00:46:05.380 And then he tweeted out
00:46:06.480 a message saying
00:46:07.160 that they accepted it,
00:46:08.720 but then he took it down.
00:46:10.780 So, I don't know what's real,
00:46:12.640 whether they're going
00:46:13.200 to go or not.
00:46:15.420 I'm fine with them
00:46:16.300 going out
00:46:16.740 and having a rager in Vegas.
00:46:17.880 They deserve it.
00:46:18.660 They worked so hard
00:46:19.500 and they made us so proud.
00:46:21.140 I will say,
00:46:22.060 if this is turning into,
00:46:23.000 like, a sexism thing
00:46:24.980 or a misogyny thing
00:46:26.060 and they don't want to go
00:46:26.900 with, like,
00:46:27.980 the guys who laughed
00:46:29.260 at Trump's joke
00:46:30.580 versus Flava Flav,
00:46:32.920 they should really do
00:46:34.100 a Google of Flav.
00:46:36.940 Because I did.
00:46:39.540 And I found some things.
00:46:41.360 Again, I don't think
00:46:42.300 we should hold this against him.
00:46:43.280 I think if they want
00:46:43.780 to go to the party,
00:46:44.380 they should.
00:46:44.920 But if we're going
00:46:46.380 to turn it into a sexist thing,
00:46:48.720 there are some things
00:46:49.500 to know about Flav.
00:46:50.940 Like, in 1991,
00:46:53.220 he pleaded guilty
00:46:53.820 to assaulting his then-girlfriend,
00:46:55.240 Karen Ross,
00:46:55.840 served 30 days in jail
00:46:56.880 and lost custody
00:46:57.900 of his children
00:46:58.420 amid struggles with addiction.
00:47:00.340 In 1993,
00:47:01.420 faced charges including
00:47:02.200 attempted murder
00:47:02.960 for shooting at a neighbor
00:47:04.100 and additional domestic violence
00:47:06.040 and drug possession allegations.
00:47:07.580 In 2012,
00:47:08.380 he was arrested in Vegas
00:47:09.340 on felony charges
00:47:10.180 after allegedly assaulting
00:47:11.280 his fiancée, Elizabeth,
00:47:13.140 and threatening her teenage son
00:47:14.240 with a knife.
00:47:14.960 Later pleaded guilty
00:47:15.640 to a reduced misdemeanor charges,
00:47:17.140 attempted battery
00:47:17.740 with substantial bodily harm
00:47:19.720 and domestic violence.
00:47:20.980 In 2014,
00:47:21.680 received probation
00:47:22.260 and attended counseling.
00:47:23.240 In 2021,
00:47:23.880 arrested in Nevada
00:47:24.660 for misdemeanor
00:47:26.080 domestic battery.
00:47:26.880 Allegations included
00:47:28.220 poking,
00:47:29.140 grabbing a female household member, 0.73
00:47:30.600 throwing her down
00:47:31.120 and taking her phone.
00:47:32.340 The domestic battery charge
00:47:33.280 was later dropped and dismissed.
00:47:34.660 He pleaded no contest
00:47:35.460 to a misdemeanor coercion charge
00:47:37.700 and paid fines.
00:47:39.480 I'm just saying this,
00:47:41.180 you know,
00:47:42.160 everyone's got problems.
00:47:44.520 Just,
00:47:45.180 if we're going to be
00:47:45.720 making a statement
00:47:46.500 about how women 0.91
00:47:47.600 should be treated,
00:47:48.620 he might not be
00:47:49.420 your ideal host.
00:47:50.920 You know,
00:47:51.620 I have to say,
00:47:52.400 when they turned down Trump,
00:47:53.920 I did have a moment
00:47:55.320 when I started,
00:47:56.920 was startled
00:47:57.720 because I thought like,
00:47:58.700 you know,
00:47:59.120 you win a gold medal
00:48:00.760 at the Olympics,
00:48:01.360 you want to go to the White House
00:48:02.260 and celebrate,
00:48:02.860 I would think.
00:48:03.660 But I did think about it.
00:48:04.940 They were very polite
00:48:05.720 about their turndown.
00:48:06.540 It was not a political turndown.
00:48:07.860 They didn't say,
00:48:08.400 we can't go
00:48:08.980 because we hate this president.
00:48:10.180 They say,
00:48:10.520 we have other appointments.
00:48:11.680 And you can imagine
00:48:12.500 if, say,
00:48:13.400 enough people on your team
00:48:14.780 had to be somewhere,
00:48:16.500 all of you might say,
00:48:17.780 well,
00:48:17.980 if they can't go,
00:48:19.260 we're all going to not go.
00:48:20.740 And as you point out.
00:48:22.060 Or even,
00:48:22.840 even Andrew,
00:48:23.540 if they were saying,
00:48:24.360 it's kind of a political thing,
00:48:26.440 so we're just going to stay out of it
00:48:27.700 because, you know,
00:48:28.320 we don't want to even touch
00:48:29.160 anything political.
00:48:30.080 That'd be fine too.
00:48:31.060 Keep going.
00:48:31.380 Yeah,
00:48:31.580 but I do think like,
00:48:32.860 it may come out
00:48:33.900 that they are anti-Trump,
00:48:35.100 but I sort of doubt it.
00:48:36.640 I mean,
00:48:37.040 people,
00:48:37.820 most of the people
00:48:38.540 who go to the Olympics.
00:48:39.340 They're also hockey players.
00:48:40.240 Yeah,
00:48:40.460 and most of the people
00:48:41.180 who go to the Olympics
00:48:41.840 are there to represent the USA
00:48:43.080 and they're proud to do it.
00:48:44.220 It's only the press
00:48:45.020 that pushes this on everybody
00:48:46.460 and it pushes it on everybody.
00:48:48.140 You're not allowed,
00:48:48.820 I mean,
00:48:49.120 this happens in showbiz too.
00:48:50.580 You're not allowed
00:48:51.300 to not have an opinion
00:48:52.560 and you're certainly not allowed
00:48:54.080 to have a right-wing opinion.
00:48:55.400 So even people,
00:48:56.560 even actors who I know
00:48:58.240 and writers too,
00:48:59.180 who I know for a fact
00:49:00.260 are conservatives
00:49:00.780 won't come out and say it
00:49:02.160 and they just say,
00:49:02.840 I'm not political
00:49:03.440 and that becomes sort of a shibboleth
00:49:05.760 for I'm conservative
00:49:07.020 and the press goes mad.
00:49:08.500 But I don't understand.
00:49:10.120 It is that absolute conviction
00:49:11.800 that there is one right opinion
00:49:13.520 and everything else is hatefulness.
00:49:15.340 And I just can't stand it.
00:49:16.940 I think it is the most small-minded,
00:49:18.600 pinch-hearted thing I've ever seen.
00:49:20.600 And it's infecting so much of the country,
00:49:23.660 this idea that we cannot get along.
00:49:25.780 And I don't believe,
00:49:26.580 I actually don't believe
00:49:27.620 that 70% of the country agree with it.
00:49:29.960 I mean, I think most people actually
00:49:31.800 are willing to listen to others
00:49:33.600 and, you know, act in their real lives.
00:49:35.840 But I think social media
00:49:37.140 basically emphasizes it
00:49:38.840 and the left just will not let it go.
00:49:42.200 And the fact, you know,
00:49:43.640 the fact that they own the media,
00:49:44.940 so much of the news media
00:49:46.060 or at least have until now
00:49:48.020 has really been a bad influence
00:49:49.960 on all of this.
00:49:51.760 I have to ask you,
00:49:53.660 are you,
00:49:54.680 can you stay for an extra 10 minutes, Andrew?
00:49:56.320 Because I am dying to ask you
00:49:58.480 about what happened
00:49:59.320 at the BAFTA Awards
00:50:00.880 on Sunday night.
00:50:02.500 And given your Hollywood connections,
00:50:04.480 you're the perfect person.
00:50:05.720 And we have to talk State of the Union too.
00:50:07.440 All right.
00:50:07.660 So I've got to,
00:50:08.300 I'm going to have to take a break in a second.
00:50:09.720 And then we'll come back with Andrew
00:50:11.160 and we'll do a couple of other subjects
00:50:12.940 in the news.
00:50:15.020 So, yes,
00:50:15.740 I think it's too soon
00:50:16.780 to be angry at the women.
00:50:17.960 But I will say,
00:50:18.940 like the amount of
00:50:20.300 even male meltdown over this,
00:50:21.860 listen to this guy,
00:50:22.600 Boston Bryan.
00:50:23.640 Can we squeeze him in?
00:50:24.500 Just go for it.
00:50:25.200 SOT 12.
00:50:26.020 I just want to go on
00:50:27.360 and reiterate that Team USA
00:50:28.960 can, in fact,
00:50:30.040 stick those gold medals 1.00
00:50:31.020 straight up their fucking asses. 1.00
00:50:33.060 Okay? 1.00
00:50:33.720 It doesn't matter what you did.
00:50:35.240 It doesn't matter who you recognize.
00:50:36.820 It doesn't matter how proud
00:50:37.840 you made people 1.00
00:50:38.480 during the fucking Olympics. 1.00
00:50:39.500 If you're going to go and talk to a pedophile, 1.00
00:50:41.580 if you're going to go and talk 0.62
00:50:42.600 to Jeffrey Epstein's best friend,
00:50:44.140 if you're going to go and meet
00:50:45.000 Jeffrey Epstein's best friend,
00:50:46.720 if you're going to party
00:50:47.420 and drink beers with Cash Patel,
00:50:49.020 the guy in power,
00:50:50.060 actively covering up
00:50:51.040 the world's largest
00:50:52.160 sex trafficking ring of children, 1.00
00:50:54.400 then you can fuck yourselves. 1.00
00:50:55.980 Okay? 1.00
00:50:56.200 You can cross-eyed piece of shit 1.00
00:50:57.500 Cash Patel 1.00
00:50:58.180 having him in the fucking locker room. 1.00
00:51:00.040 If you don't think 1.00
00:51:00.560 that makes a fucking political statement 0.99
00:51:02.040 and opens you up 1.00
00:51:03.020 to retribution, 1.00
00:51:04.560 you're even fucking dumber 1.00
00:51:05.900 than I thought. 1.00
00:51:06.920 So either fucking ship 1.00
00:51:07.900 the gold back to Canada 1.00
00:51:08.940 or fucking choke on him. 1.00
00:51:10.480 So fuck Team USA. 1.00
00:51:12.040 Fuck the men's hockey team. 1.00
00:51:14.080 He seems nice. 1.00
00:51:14.960 Very nice.
00:51:15.580 He's with Midas Touch,
00:51:17.360 which is a far left
00:51:18.060 podcasting group.
00:51:19.480 I don't know.
00:51:19.700 Like, the insanity runs.
00:51:21.560 It's cross-gender on this one. 0.81
00:51:23.980 And I wonder now
00:51:25.800 if you think
00:51:26.380 these guys
00:51:27.400 are going to keep
00:51:29.060 getting asked about this.
00:51:30.200 You know what I mean?
00:51:30.520 Is this going to turn into
00:51:31.380 the dominant narrative
00:51:32.200 when they're interviewed?
00:51:33.020 I think eventually
00:51:33.940 they're going to be embarrassed
00:51:34.880 to do this
00:51:35.360 because everybody else
00:51:36.240 is for them
00:51:36.980 so strongly.
00:51:38.620 I hope that's true
00:51:39.700 because the left
00:51:41.200 is persistent
00:51:41.780 and they will do this.
00:51:42.880 They will hunt them down
00:51:43.860 just like they do
00:51:44.800 with J.K. Rowling,
00:51:45.860 just like they did
00:51:46.520 with Chick-fil-A.
00:51:47.360 They will hunt them down
00:51:48.200 as long as they can.
00:51:49.380 But in this case,
00:51:50.220 they might be ashamed.
00:51:51.660 It's just possible
00:51:52.640 if they have any capacity
00:51:53.740 for shame left
00:51:54.540 that this might do it.
00:51:56.020 Yeah, that's a very hopeful thought
00:51:57.260 that they might.
00:51:58.460 Dream on.
00:51:58.880 We'll see.
00:51:59.420 We will find out together,
00:52:00.700 especially when they appear
00:52:01.700 at the State of the Union tonight.
00:52:02.840 and we'll speak about that
00:52:03.980 with Andrew right after this.
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00:53:07.300 Andrew Klavan is back
00:53:14.300 with me now
00:53:14.920 of the Andrew Klavan show
00:53:16.800 over on the Daily Wire.
00:53:19.180 So just while we were
00:53:20.420 in break,
00:53:21.740 the following happened.
00:53:24.700 This NHL hockey player
00:53:26.460 named Dylan Strom
00:53:28.140 went to Disney
00:53:30.240 with his daughter,
00:53:31.300 and the NHL tweeted it out,
00:53:33.600 the two of them sitting
00:53:34.440 in front of Disney princess costumes,
00:53:36.300 clearly in the Cinderella store there,
00:53:39.000 and they wrote,
00:53:39.960 Dylan Strom is the ultimate girl dad,
00:53:41.600 and his hat actually reads girl dad,
00:53:43.900 and he's got a little tiara
00:53:45.600 on top of it.
00:53:46.460 It's very cute.
00:53:47.200 It's obviously one hat,
00:53:49.260 and apparently,
00:53:51.760 according to Greg Price on X,
00:53:54.980 the pronoun people
00:53:55.820 in the replies
00:53:56.760 with unhinged comments
00:53:58.780 went nuts,
00:54:00.120 and he posted some of them,
00:54:01.720 like laughing
00:54:03.520 and a misogynistic joke, 1.00
00:54:05.080 a rapist, 1.00
00:54:05.800 and a pedophile, 1.00
00:54:07.320 more like the worst girl dad ever. 1.00
00:54:11.180 That's just one example 0.63
00:54:12.920 of the kind of feedback
00:54:13.800 they were getting.
00:54:15.360 Then there's weird
00:54:15.920 that you chose today
00:54:16.820 to post this.
00:54:17.500 Did something happen?
00:54:19.260 Not using the daughter
00:54:20.400 as a human shield.
00:54:21.880 My God, today.
00:54:23.780 A girl dad would put out 1.00
00:54:25.000 a statement
00:54:25.400 that he meant no harm
00:54:26.900 by laughing along 0.98
00:54:27.640 with a convicted rapist. 0.98
00:54:29.280 Okay, so you see 0.98
00:54:30.200 how it's going, right?
00:54:30.920 The NHL deleted the tweet,
00:54:33.880 and guess what?
00:54:36.200 Dylan Strom is Canadian
00:54:37.860 and did not even play
00:54:39.420 on the Olympic team
00:54:40.820 for the U.S. men's
00:54:42.540 or the Canadian men's teams.
00:54:44.700 He's just an NHL hockey player
00:54:46.520 who's not even American, 1.00
00:54:49.980 taking this shit. 1.00
00:54:51.420 I mean, it's just, okay. 1.00
00:54:52.800 In better news,
00:54:54.700 the actual U.S. men's players
00:54:57.240 have just landed
00:54:59.840 in D.C., I believe.
00:55:03.620 They posted this picture,
00:55:05.180 and they are on
00:55:06.380 one of the president's
00:55:09.300 Air Force One jets.
00:55:10.720 I didn't realize
00:55:11.220 we had more than one,
00:55:12.320 but there's apparently two,
00:55:14.580 at least.
00:55:15.100 And look at this picture.
00:55:15.980 So great, Andrew,
00:55:16.780 with the guys holding the flags,
00:55:18.560 getting off on the tarmac here
00:55:20.100 as they make their way over
00:55:21.840 eventually today
00:55:22.700 to Capitol Hill
00:55:24.040 where all heroes go
00:55:26.540 and to see the president.
00:55:30.420 It's great because
00:55:31.040 even when they landed in Miami,
00:55:33.940 they,
00:55:35.340 I saw this online.
00:55:36.660 I didn't know this was a thing,
00:55:37.720 but they were saying
00:55:38.380 that they got this, like,
00:55:39.440 salute at the Miami airport
00:55:41.440 with these, like,
00:55:43.620 fire hoses.
00:55:44.460 The firemen did it,
00:55:45.180 like, to do sort of a rainbow
00:55:46.400 over the plane.
00:55:48.280 But wherever they go,
00:55:49.460 they're heroes.
00:55:50.040 That's what's real.
00:55:51.360 You know,
00:55:51.680 when they went through
00:55:52.180 the baggage claim,
00:55:53.220 people were chanting,
00:55:54.060 USA, USA,
00:55:55.020 when they were flying into Miami.
00:55:57.420 That's how regular,
00:55:58.740 normal people feel,
00:56:00.000 and it's great.
00:56:00.660 Okay, let me keep going.
00:56:02.100 Speaking of the president
00:56:03.740 in Air Force One.
00:56:05.660 Okay.
00:56:06.780 Even Trump says
00:56:07.860 tonight is going to be
00:56:08.740 a long one.
00:56:09.800 Oh, God.
00:56:10.980 Yeah.
00:56:12.100 Starts at nine.
00:56:13.780 And,
00:56:15.180 like, what do you expect?
00:56:17.420 Because it's not that
00:56:18.880 they've never boycotted
00:56:19.820 the State of the Union before.
00:56:20.820 These Dems. 0.95
00:56:21.580 But it seems like
00:56:22.280 quite a few of them
00:56:22.920 are not even going to show up.
00:56:24.020 They're doing their
00:56:24.460 counter-programming.
00:56:25.360 Yeah.
00:56:26.180 And those polls,
00:56:27.700 we talked about them
00:56:28.480 on AM Update this morning.
00:56:30.440 That's our morning
00:56:31.280 news headline podcast, Andrew.
00:56:34.080 Also great is
00:56:35.040 The Morning Wire,
00:56:35.880 which I also listen to every day.
00:56:37.220 Love those guys, too.
00:56:40.340 But the polls are terrible
00:56:41.480 right now for Trump.
00:56:42.220 They're not good.
00:56:42.880 He's, I mean,
00:56:44.120 way underwater
00:56:45.160 with independents.
00:56:45.980 It's like way,
00:56:46.760 way underwater
00:56:47.580 with them.
00:56:48.360 So what would you advise him
00:56:49.780 to say or do tonight
00:56:51.620 to get at those folks,
00:56:53.200 the independents?
00:56:53.900 Well, I'm a big believer,
00:56:55.360 and I used to say this
00:56:56.280 during the Biden administration,
00:56:57.340 when people tell you
00:56:58.640 that they are hurting
00:56:59.700 economically,
00:57:01.060 it is bad
00:57:02.400 practice
00:57:03.740 to bring out
00:57:04.640 your charts
00:57:05.260 and tell them
00:57:05.820 why they're not
00:57:06.400 hurting economically.
00:57:07.640 People know
00:57:08.420 whether they can afford
00:57:09.500 the things they want,
00:57:10.700 whether they can give
00:57:11.380 their children
00:57:11.840 good things,
00:57:12.620 whether they can put
00:57:13.180 food on the table,
00:57:14.080 whether they can pay
00:57:14.700 for the extras
00:57:15.260 that they want to give
00:57:15.900 their kids.
00:57:16.580 People know these things,
00:57:17.820 and if they can't,
00:57:18.860 they can,
00:57:19.400 and they're saying so.
00:57:20.680 So if the negative feelings
00:57:24.580 toward Trump
00:57:25.200 are, as they're said to be,
00:57:27.200 based on the economy,
00:57:28.340 I think you are absolutely right
00:57:30.760 that, one,
00:57:31.860 he should very much
00:57:32.840 acknowledge their pain,
00:57:34.220 and two,
00:57:34.700 it is not in his nature
00:57:35.960 to do that.
00:57:37.200 And I think that
00:57:37.740 that is a serious problem.
00:57:39.840 You know,
00:57:40.440 Trump,
00:57:41.200 all of Trump's
00:57:41.940 great strengths
00:57:42.700 are also his
00:57:43.640 great weaknesses.
00:57:44.420 This is the thing about him.
00:57:45.580 He is a man
00:57:46.120 who will say
00:57:47.240 the logical
00:57:47.820 common sense thing
00:57:48.840 even if it's become
00:57:49.840 outlawed,
00:57:50.720 and yet he says
00:57:51.340 because he has no respect
00:57:52.860 for people who say
00:57:54.740 that you can't say that,
00:57:55.880 he will also say things 1.00
00:57:56.800 that are pretty stupid. 1.00
00:57:58.080 And one of the things 1.00
00:57:59.120 he does,
00:57:59.660 and he did it during COVID,
00:58:00.900 which was very bad for him,
00:58:02.500 was he concentrates
00:58:04.280 on how he's being treated,
00:58:05.740 and he invites you in
00:58:06.900 to participate
00:58:08.800 in that ill treatment.
00:58:10.060 Like he will say,
00:58:11.120 and there's a lot of truth
00:58:11.920 to this,
00:58:12.260 he'll say,
00:58:12.660 it's not me they're after,
00:58:13.660 I'm just standing
00:58:14.540 in their way,
00:58:15.200 they're really after you.
00:58:16.480 There's a lot of truth
00:58:17.180 to that,
00:58:17.680 but there is also a point
00:58:19.080 where he's not suffering
00:58:20.280 what the people are suffering.
00:58:21.520 And if the people
00:58:22.220 are suffering
00:58:22.680 from bad economic feelings,
00:58:24.420 that they're not getting
00:58:25.780 the good things
00:58:26.520 that they want
00:58:27.360 out of life,
00:58:28.200 to talk about
00:58:30.040 the Supreme Court
00:58:31.740 and how it ruled
00:58:32.400 against him,
00:58:33.300 to talk about,
00:58:34.260 you know,
00:58:34.460 his problems
00:58:35.160 and his problems
00:58:35.880 with the press
00:58:36.460 is not the right way to go.
00:58:38.180 I mean,
00:58:38.380 he really does
00:58:39.340 his need to say,
00:58:40.860 look,
00:58:41.080 this is what we're doing.
00:58:42.500 It's not,
00:58:42.720 you know,
00:58:42.920 it's not working right away,
00:58:43.940 but it will work.
00:58:44.860 It will filter down to you
00:58:45.900 and it is coming your way
00:58:47.680 and things are actually better
00:58:48.940 in certain ways
00:58:50.020 that you're not feeling yet.
00:58:50.920 I don't think he's capable
00:58:53.760 of saying that.
00:58:54.800 So I think that the best thing
00:58:56.060 he can do,
00:58:57.360 and his speechwriters,
00:58:58.260 I'm sure,
00:58:58.600 are very keyed into the things
00:58:59.760 he can and can't do.
00:59:00.840 I think the best thing
00:59:01.660 he can do is start to list,
00:59:03.280 make a laundry list
00:59:04.080 of the things he's accomplished,
00:59:05.500 which are not just amazing,
00:59:07.800 they also have been eradicated
00:59:09.460 by the media.
00:59:10.600 The minute he solves a problem,
00:59:12.480 it ceases to exist.
00:59:13.820 So he closes the border.
00:59:15.960 Millions of people
00:59:16.800 are marching over that border
00:59:18.200 while those smiling SOBs 0.92
00:59:20.400 went in front of Congress
00:59:21.520 and said the border was secure.
00:59:24.080 Millions,
00:59:24.680 it was an invasion,
00:59:25.440 it was an invasion,
00:59:26.300 that's not an exaggeration.
00:59:28.480 He closed it,
00:59:29.200 he shut the door,
00:59:30.020 bang,
00:59:30.360 it was done.
00:59:31.240 I don't think any other Republican
00:59:32.500 would have done that.
00:59:33.420 Anybody who tells me
00:59:34.720 that Mitt Romney,
00:59:36.100 John McCain,
00:59:36.640 only these people
00:59:37.380 would have done it,
00:59:38.100 no way.
00:59:38.820 He did it because he didn't care
00:59:40.100 what the press was saying.
00:59:42.180 He should remind people of that.
00:59:44.580 He should remind people
00:59:45.340 that crime is way down,
00:59:47.060 death from fentanyl is way down.
00:59:48.140 The actual effect
00:59:49.860 that he is having
00:59:50.740 on drugs being poured
00:59:52.680 into the country
00:59:53.280 is huge.
00:59:54.740 I mean,
00:59:54.920 this is a problem
00:59:55.800 that people in the government
00:59:56.720 thought could never be solved.
00:59:58.480 He's actually made a move
00:59:59.680 towards solving it.
01:00:00.640 Same thing is true 0.92
01:00:01.400 in the Middle East.
01:00:02.100 Another problem
01:00:02.780 that because people were stuck
01:00:04.060 on the two-state solution,
01:00:05.420 they thought that could
01:00:06.060 never be solved.
01:00:06.680 He has opened up a path
01:00:07.680 to solving
01:00:08.280 the ineradicable violence
01:00:10.880 in the Middle East.
01:00:12.020 He has done an amazing,
01:00:13.500 amazing thing
01:00:14.280 in the Middle East.
01:00:15.200 So all of those things
01:00:16.380 are things that he should
01:00:17.400 bring to bear,
01:00:18.280 but they are not
01:00:19.120 the kitchen table issues
01:00:21.360 that people seem to be
01:00:22.800 complaining about
01:00:23.680 in the polls.
01:00:24.500 And when he deals
01:00:25.280 with those,
01:00:25.920 a little bit of humility
01:00:27.580 and talking about Trump
01:00:28.700 and humility
01:00:29.180 in the same sentence
01:00:29.920 just makes me laugh
01:00:30.860 on the face of it.
01:00:32.300 A little bit of humility
01:00:33.460 might not be a bad thing.
01:00:35.620 You know,
01:00:36.100 I...
01:00:36.560 Well,
01:00:36.940 the good thing for Trump
01:00:39.620 is unlike yesterday
01:00:40.460 when he met
01:00:40.980 with the Angel families
01:00:41.900 who had lost people,
01:00:43.180 family members,
01:00:43.740 and loved ones
01:00:44.300 to illegal immigrants,
01:00:45.700 which Fox took
01:00:47.580 and News Nation took
01:00:48.600 and I think nobody else took.
01:00:50.000 Right.
01:00:50.600 They're all going to take tonight.
01:00:52.440 So, you know,
01:00:54.160 it's a great opportunity
01:00:55.120 for him to get some
01:00:55.920 of that messaging out there
01:00:56.940 because every network
01:00:58.040 will take it
01:00:58.700 and while not everybody's
01:01:00.140 thrilled to watch
01:01:01.000 two or three hours
01:01:02.800 of a State of the Union,
01:01:04.120 they'll see highlights
01:01:05.140 all tomorrow.
01:01:06.120 And the news cycle's
01:01:07.020 not that hot right now,
01:01:08.540 so CNN will play clips,
01:01:10.720 so will MS. 0.97
01:01:12.320 And even if there are clips
01:01:13.240 that they think are bad for Trump,
01:01:14.580 Trump clearly is not going
01:01:15.560 to think they're bad clips
01:01:16.300 because he put them
01:01:17.140 in his State of the Union address,
01:01:18.200 so that's good for him.
01:01:19.500 Your comment about
01:01:20.480 his strengths
01:01:21.160 or his weaknesses,
01:01:22.320 it reminds me of this.
01:01:23.440 I've done this before.
01:01:23.980 This is Total Trump
01:01:24.840 from Jumanji.
01:01:26.420 Watch.
01:01:27.760 Strength is my weakness.
01:01:30.260 Hey, can I...
01:01:31.080 Quick question.
01:01:32.340 How is strength my weakness?
01:01:34.600 Somebody explain that to me.
01:01:37.800 It's funny because...
01:01:38.680 That's where you come in.
01:01:39.740 It's true of all of us.
01:01:40.880 All of us,
01:01:41.340 we have these salient traits
01:01:43.260 and they're usually
01:01:44.120 the best thing about us
01:01:45.260 and they also play
01:01:46.440 into the worst thing about us.
01:01:47.640 If you're a truth teller,
01:01:48.600 you might also be a big mouth,
01:01:49.900 something I'm pretty used to.
01:01:51.980 You know,
01:01:52.300 things that are your virtues.
01:01:54.000 Yeah,
01:01:54.260 the things that are your virtues
01:01:55.520 are also your deficits.
01:01:57.820 And with Trump,
01:01:58.320 he's such a big character
01:01:59.380 that he has big virtues
01:02:00.720 and big deficits.
01:02:01.800 He has changed
01:02:02.980 the way the game is played.
01:02:05.180 And so much
01:02:06.120 of what he does
01:02:07.340 is attacked
01:02:08.100 not because
01:02:09.100 what was happening
01:02:10.200 before was working
01:02:11.180 but because it was
01:02:12.100 never done before.
01:02:13.540 You know,
01:02:13.800 it's like we...
01:02:14.480 Let's not lead
01:02:15.700 with the two-state solution
01:02:16.820 in the Middle East.
01:02:17.940 Let's just close the border.
01:02:19.720 Let's deport people 0.99
01:02:20.800 who shouldn't be here
01:02:22.020 or, you know,
01:02:23.080 are here illegally.
01:02:24.320 And everybody knows,
01:02:26.040 you know,
01:02:26.300 that's going to be
01:02:26.960 the third rail.
01:02:27.900 Everybody's going to see
01:02:28.540 the evil pictures
01:02:29.540 of people crying
01:02:30.400 and weeping
01:02:30.900 on the air.
01:02:31.820 But once again,
01:02:33.140 I just have to point
01:02:34.580 this out again
01:02:35.060 that we're dealing
01:02:35.620 with a party
01:02:36.560 that is often ineffective
01:02:38.200 on the right
01:02:38.880 but does actually appreciate
01:02:40.980 this country
01:02:41.760 and what it means.
01:02:42.860 And another party
01:02:43.840 that only brings up
01:02:44.820 American values
01:02:45.620 to hurt America.
01:02:46.600 The only time
01:02:47.500 you hear Democrats
01:02:48.400 care about
01:02:49.540 whether people are treated
01:02:50.520 with, you know,
01:02:52.800 their due rights
01:02:53.820 is when those people
01:02:54.640 are gangsters,
01:02:55.860 America haters, 1.00
01:02:57.040 Chinese nationals.
01:02:58.460 You know,
01:02:58.700 you never hear
01:02:59.560 of a church-going,
01:03:01.400 you know,
01:03:01.640 ordinary person.
01:03:03.380 They're saying,
01:03:04.100 oh, you know,
01:03:04.700 when they broke
01:03:05.880 into that church
01:03:06.620 and started protesting
01:03:07.820 and screaming 0.96
01:03:08.400 and making the children cry,
01:03:09.520 that was a terrible thing
01:03:10.440 to do.
01:03:10.720 That was a violation
01:03:11.340 of American rights.
01:03:12.220 You never hear
01:03:12.960 the left say that.
01:03:13.940 They only say it
01:03:14.940 when villains
01:03:15.680 and thugs 0.92
01:03:16.720 and anti-Americans 0.97
01:03:17.780 are mistreated.
01:03:19.400 So you blow up
01:03:20.020 some drug dealers
01:03:20.740 in the middle of the ocean
01:03:21.700 and I'm all for it,
01:03:22.840 by the way,
01:03:23.520 but suddenly,
01:03:24.300 oh, they didn't have
01:03:24.900 their habeas corpus rights,
01:03:26.740 you know,
01:03:27.160 paid attention to.
01:03:28.340 Whereas if,
01:03:29.120 if you arrest somebody
01:03:31.400 for going to church
01:03:32.220 or for,
01:03:33.140 you know,
01:03:33.560 wandering into the Capitol
01:03:34.800 when he shouldn't be
01:03:35.440 in the Capitol,
01:03:36.260 all of that,
01:03:36.920 we don't have to worry
01:03:37.580 about habeas corpus
01:03:38.340 and due process at all.
01:03:39.880 So, you know,
01:03:40.720 I think if Trump
01:03:41.560 can just come forward
01:03:42.540 as pro-America,
01:03:44.940 if he can come forward
01:03:46.060 as understanding
01:03:46.900 that there are people
01:03:47.620 out there
01:03:48.020 who are not doing
01:03:48.880 as well as other people,
01:03:50.300 and if he can put forward
01:03:51.460 the things he's done so far
01:03:52.780 and the things
01:03:53.280 that he is planning to do,
01:03:54.920 you know,
01:03:55.300 he has a shot
01:03:56.120 of making an impression.
01:03:57.780 The State of the Union...
01:03:59.500 I'm turning these numbers
01:04:00.320 around a little bit.
01:04:01.740 Let's hope.
01:04:02.300 I mean, let's hope.
01:04:02.960 The truth is,
01:04:03.940 these things,
01:04:04.600 even with Trump,
01:04:05.320 tend to be mind-numbingly boring.
01:04:08.840 There'll be some moments.
01:04:10.000 My own recommendation
01:04:10.840 for what it's worth
01:04:11.640 is maybe just catch
01:04:13.420 the highlight reel
01:04:14.140 on the Megyn Kelly show
01:04:15.600 tomorrow
01:04:15.840 with the Real Clear Politics guys.
01:04:17.280 We'll bring you
01:04:17.780 all the fun
01:04:18.400 and important moments.
01:04:20.380 If you want to watch
01:04:21.260 the whole thing,
01:04:22.640 I'd watch it on Fox.
01:04:24.000 I would definitely
01:04:24.640 not be watching it,
01:04:25.440 although it could be
01:04:26.000 kind of fun to watch it
01:04:26.820 on MSNBC
01:04:27.440 and just see the balloons
01:04:28.660 and how they...
01:04:29.220 Sometimes that's just
01:04:29.860 like entertaining.
01:04:31.340 Anyway, up to you guys.
01:04:32.820 Okay, we've got to talk
01:04:34.340 about what happened
01:04:34.880 at the BAFTAs,
01:04:36.200 which is the British Oscars.
01:04:38.420 The BAFTAs was on Sunday night
01:04:40.800 and one of the movies
01:04:45.120 being like honored
01:04:46.780 is a movie called
01:04:48.720 I Swear.
01:04:49.600 And it's a movie
01:04:51.200 about John Davidson
01:04:53.340 who was diagnosed
01:04:55.320 with Tourette's syndrome
01:04:57.360 at the age of 25.
01:04:59.360 The symptoms first began
01:05:00.320 when he was 12.
01:05:01.700 They included tics, 0.97
01:05:03.360 include present day,
01:05:05.120 and uncontrollable outbursts,
01:05:06.820 often involving cursing.
01:05:10.720 A number of outbursts
01:05:12.800 could be heard
01:05:13.300 throughout the BAFTA ceremony,
01:05:14.780 reading here from Variety,
01:05:16.400 including, 1.00
01:05:17.440 shut the fuck up, 1.00
01:05:18.180 being shouted 1.00
01:05:18.960 during an introductory speech
01:05:20.820 from the BAFTA chair,
01:05:22.920 Sarah Putt, 1.00
01:05:24.220 and fuck you 1.00
01:05:25.660 when the directors of Bong, 1.00
01:05:27.940 which won for Best Children's
01:05:30.020 and Family Film,
01:05:31.500 accepted their award.
01:05:32.960 Okay, it's kind of funny.
01:05:34.460 Family, family award,
01:05:36.040 and there he's like, 1.00
01:05:36.580 fuck off! 1.00
01:05:37.460 Okay, sorry, 1.00
01:05:38.700 but most people at Tourette's
01:05:40.340 could probably laugh
01:05:40.920 about the absurdity
01:05:41.660 of some of these moments.
01:05:43.360 Anyway,
01:05:44.580 my friend's son
01:05:45.880 developed Tourette's.
01:05:47.200 It was shocking.
01:05:47.900 It came out of nowhere.
01:05:49.280 He got tics and other symptoms,
01:05:50.920 but he actually then outgrew it,
01:05:52.300 which can happen.
01:05:53.960 In any event,
01:05:55.360 there was a very unfortunate moment.
01:05:59.800 It's funny because,
01:06:01.720 like,
01:06:02.040 who made the decision
01:06:03.160 to allow this confluence
01:06:04.420 of things to happen?
01:06:05.540 You know,
01:06:05.840 like,
01:06:06.180 it was just,
01:06:07.440 oh.
01:06:08.480 So they have two black presenters,
01:06:11.200 Michael B. Jordan
01:06:12.060 and Delroy Lindo,
01:06:13.420 presenting the award
01:06:15.240 for best visual effects
01:06:16.820 to the film
01:06:18.140 Avatar Fire and Ash.
01:06:20.380 Both Michael B. Jordan
01:06:21.420 and Lindo are black,
01:06:23.200 and Lindo's appeared
01:06:24.440 in a number of Spike Lee films,
01:06:26.000 among others.
01:06:27.600 And this guy,
01:06:29.120 the actual Tourette's Syndrome guy,
01:06:31.100 who, by the way,
01:06:31.940 everyone should have known
01:06:33.140 what he was suffering with
01:06:35.560 because Alan Cumming,
01:06:36.860 the actor who hosted the event,
01:06:38.660 made it clear throughout,
01:06:39.600 we got a guy here
01:06:40.780 because of this movie.
01:06:42.440 He's got Tourette's.
01:06:43.060 There could be outbursts.
01:06:44.260 Don't take him personally.
01:06:45.240 It's not something he can control.
01:06:47.020 And by the way,
01:06:48.020 the movie itself,
01:06:48.800 I swear,
01:06:49.380 which is very popular,
01:06:50.540 so much so it got this,
01:06:51.380 one of these nominations,
01:06:52.560 shows it at length
01:06:53.660 what this guy goes through.
01:06:54.660 This isn't him.
01:06:55.320 This is an actor portraying him.
01:06:57.300 But look at SOT 24
01:06:58.380 before I get to
01:06:59.060 what happened at the BAFTAs.
01:07:00.260 This is from the movie,
01:07:00.900 I swear.
01:07:01.180 I'm not talking to you.
01:07:02.280 No worries.
01:07:03.480 Be honest,
01:07:03.920 it's nice to have
01:07:04.380 a few minutes off work. 0.96
01:07:06.760 Part-time slag. 0.85
01:07:07.960 I spugged on the jellyfish. 1.00
01:07:09.440 You're a wanker. 1.00
01:07:10.140 Did he? 1.00
01:07:11.140 Rhodey's got a little cock. 1.00
01:07:12.560 Fuck off. 1.00
01:07:13.220 I've got a big fucking 1.00
01:07:14.620 rabbit in my arse. 1.00
01:07:16.600 Fuck you. 1.00
01:07:17.600 Cunt. 1.00
01:07:19.300 You're that wasted sperm. 1.00
01:07:20.960 Your dad's a cunt. 1.00
01:07:22.200 My dad's a pedo. 1.00
01:07:23.320 I'm a pedo, you know. 0.99
01:07:24.540 I'm the leader of the police. 1.00
01:07:25.380 I raped a girl, you know. 1.00
01:07:26.660 You're on the fender. 1.00
01:07:27.560 I'm a fucker, you know. 1.00
01:07:29.000 My dad shagged your hat. 1.00
01:07:30.140 My dad's a fucking jellyfish. 1.00
01:07:32.840 What's it going? 1.00
01:07:34.600 You're a flabby, cunt. 1.00
01:07:36.240 Mama's a priest. 1.00
01:07:37.260 You're a priest, you cunt. 1.00
01:07:38.940 You don't wank, Sting. 1.00
01:07:47.080 It's a lot.
01:07:47.860 They're showing two people
01:07:48.480 outside of their car.
01:07:53.200 And even they are able
01:07:54.240 to laugh at themselves
01:07:55.020 in this movie.
01:07:55.760 Again, it's a portrayal
01:07:56.940 of John Davidson's life.
01:07:58.540 Well, here's what happened
01:07:59.760 when Michael B
01:08:00.540 and Delroy Lindo
01:08:03.300 got up to present
01:08:04.340 that award.
01:08:05.260 I warn the listening audience,
01:08:07.220 you're going to hear
01:08:08.080 the N-word.
01:08:09.100 It's pretty clear.
01:08:10.520 We decided not to bleep it
01:08:11.740 because we want you to see
01:08:12.680 what the controversy is about
01:08:13.900 and how this played
01:08:14.680 in the room.
01:08:17.120 Delroy and I are delighted
01:08:18.420 to be presenting
01:08:19.080 the first BAFTA of the night
01:08:20.420 for a vital part
01:08:21.520 of movie making.
01:08:24.940 We're here to celebrate.
01:08:26.480 OMG.
01:08:28.980 Yeah.
01:08:29.700 So now everyone's
01:08:31.560 having a meltdown.
01:08:32.480 Like everybody.
01:08:34.800 They're blaming the actor
01:08:36.120 or they're blaming the BAFTAs.
01:08:37.860 They're blaming the studios.
01:08:39.020 They're blaming BBC
01:08:39.860 for not editing it
01:08:41.320 from the aired program,
01:08:42.920 which didn't come on the air
01:08:43.820 until two hours later.
01:08:44.740 What do you make of this?
01:08:45.920 Well, it's very sad.
01:08:47.800 One of the things
01:08:48.560 I've dealt with people
01:08:50.140 with Tourette's as well.
01:08:51.120 And one of the things
01:08:51.900 about Tourette's
01:08:52.520 is what makes it funny,
01:08:54.400 what makes us laugh
01:08:55.940 helplessly at it,
01:08:56.900 is that we have all
01:08:57.860 had moments
01:08:58.340 when we have kept
01:08:58.980 our thoughts to ourselves.
01:09:01.660 And it has the effect
01:09:03.320 when Tourette's
01:09:04.100 has the effect
01:09:04.680 of looking like
01:09:05.340 these people can't keep
01:09:06.420 their thoughts to themselves,
01:09:07.520 that this is what
01:09:08.220 they're really thinking.
01:09:10.140 And that's it.
01:09:10.460 Oh yeah.
01:09:10.660 I mean, I think I have this.
01:09:12.400 I mean, the thing is
01:09:15.500 like looking in a mirror.
01:09:16.840 The thing is,
01:09:17.120 it's not true.
01:09:18.300 You know, it's a tick.
01:09:19.140 It's an actual tick.
01:09:19.940 But they do say
01:09:20.980 the worst possible thing.
01:09:22.540 So it does come across
01:09:23.620 as if they're saying
01:09:24.420 what people are really thinking.
01:09:26.120 Actually, I thought
01:09:26.880 the actors chose to ignore it.
01:09:29.260 It clearly shocked them.
01:09:30.280 You could see it in their eyes.
01:09:31.540 But they chose to ignore it.
01:09:32.740 I thought they did
01:09:33.160 the right thing.
01:09:34.220 And then they sort of
01:09:35.100 had to apologize
01:09:35.800 for doing the right thing
01:09:36.900 because why didn't they
01:09:37.720 stand up, you know,
01:09:38.960 against this terrible,
01:09:40.420 terrible word
01:09:41.280 which has been turned
01:09:42.000 into sort of the worst word
01:09:43.180 in the world.
01:09:44.600 And I just think
01:09:45.480 it was just, you know,
01:09:47.220 a sad thing
01:09:48.500 and a little bit of,
01:09:49.520 this is one of those occasions
01:09:50.880 when saying a little bit less
01:09:52.380 might be the right thing to do.
01:09:53.600 The guy has Tourette's.
01:09:54.460 This is what it's like.
01:09:55.440 You know,
01:09:55.760 it happened at a very embarrassing moment
01:09:57.600 but it's worse for him
01:09:59.140 than it is for anybody else.
01:10:00.620 It's worse for him.
01:10:01.260 If you're going to have him.
01:10:02.560 Yeah.
01:10:03.380 Yeah, if you're going to have him
01:10:04.160 at the ceremony
01:10:04.760 then you're going to have to
01:10:05.700 like realize
01:10:06.540 this is what happens.
01:10:07.640 Andrew, I know you've got to run.
01:10:08.380 Thank you so much
01:10:09.300 for being here
01:10:09.780 and for sticking around.
01:10:10.440 Always a pleasure, Megan.
01:10:11.200 It's good to see you.
01:10:12.800 Oh, the pleasure's ours.
01:10:14.160 I want to keep this going
01:10:15.040 just for one more minute though
01:10:15.840 because I have a couple other
01:10:16.520 things to tell you about it.
01:10:18.100 So it was not just accepted
01:10:19.580 that this was
01:10:20.360 normal Tourette's behavior.
01:10:22.640 Jamie Foxx, the actor,
01:10:23.980 he commented below a post
01:10:25.740 about the incident
01:10:26.460 on social media
01:10:27.320 saying unacceptable
01:10:28.640 and nah, 1.00
01:10:30.300 he meant that shit. 1.00
01:10:32.020 I mean like 1.00
01:10:32.640 that's bullshit. 1.00
01:10:35.000 Like, 1.00
01:10:35.160 do you know anything
01:10:35.940 about Tourette's?
01:10:37.000 Because they say
01:10:38.020 people with this syndrome
01:10:39.120 say the most incendiary things.
01:10:41.740 It's like
01:10:42.140 I don't think it's true
01:10:43.720 to say we're all running around
01:10:44.900 thinking these absolutely
01:10:46.180 terrible things
01:10:46.940 and it's only like
01:10:48.000 our conscience
01:10:48.580 and our non-ticking
01:10:49.660 that stops us
01:10:50.800 from seeing them.
01:10:51.500 It's almost like the syndrome,
01:10:52.440 it's not almost like,
01:10:53.140 it is that the syndrome
01:10:54.640 like makes you
01:10:56.440 go to the most
01:10:58.120 outrageous place mentally
01:10:59.660 and then burst it out.
01:11:01.280 It's a nightmare.
01:11:02.260 That's a nightmare.
01:11:03.860 This guy was embarrassed.
01:11:05.100 He left.
01:11:05.840 Apparently they didn't
01:11:06.460 throw him out,
01:11:06.880 they said.
01:11:07.600 They said he left voluntarily
01:11:09.020 of his own accord
01:11:10.580 for the second half.
01:11:12.940 But the,
01:11:13.240 Prince William and Kate
01:11:14.960 were in the audience.
01:11:17.440 I mean,
01:11:18.080 it's like so uncomfortable,
01:11:19.540 right?
01:11:19.720 So it's like
01:11:20.220 maybe you invite him
01:11:21.920 and you give him
01:11:22.440 a special backstage position
01:11:24.780 where he can meet
01:11:25.920 all the actors
01:11:26.680 face-to-face in private
01:11:27.800 but, you know,
01:11:28.940 that kind of a remark
01:11:29.880 won't wind up
01:11:31.640 going out on the airwaves.
01:11:33.580 Here's Jemele Hill
01:11:34.960 who, like,
01:11:36.600 listen,
01:11:37.080 and of course
01:11:37.340 she takes it to an extreme
01:11:38.240 but she writes,
01:11:38.780 Black people 0.67
01:11:39.440 are just supposed to be 0.99
01:11:40.680 okay with being
01:11:41.640 disrespected
01:11:42.520 and dehumanized
01:11:44.140 so that other people
01:11:45.560 don't feel bad.
01:11:47.160 Like,
01:11:47.600 what do you mean?
01:11:49.340 Like,
01:11:49.920 were they supposed
01:11:50.440 to scold him? 1.00
01:11:51.800 The whole fucking movie 1.00
01:11:53.200 is about this syndrome 1.00
01:11:54.540 and him
01:11:55.360 and how it is
01:11:56.500 uncontrollable,
01:11:58.180 Jemele.
01:11:59.680 Now,
01:11:59.920 having said that,
01:12:01.000 they did put these actors
01:12:02.440 in a very uncomfortable position
01:12:04.560 because it could have been 0.98
01:12:06.080 Black men 0.96
01:12:06.760 being called the N-word 0.96
01:12:08.060 or it could have been
01:12:09.020 that other,
01:12:10.540 you know,
01:12:10.800 as I said,
01:12:11.360 the person who was
01:12:12.240 the BAFTA chair
01:12:14.840 having, 1.00
01:12:16.480 fuck you, 1.00
01:12:17.320 shouted at her 1.00
01:12:18.200 or shut the fuck up 1.00
01:12:19.360 or the directors of Bong 1.00
01:12:20.820 fuck you 1.00
01:12:21.880 and fuck up. 1.00
01:12:22.380 Like, 0.99
01:12:22.580 okay,
01:12:23.060 I would say that
01:12:24.540 everyone there
01:12:25.340 who was presenting
01:12:26.080 was placed
01:12:26.740 in a very difficult position
01:12:28.840 given this man's syndrome
01:12:30.720 and it,
01:12:31.380 had I been running it,
01:12:32.040 I would have said
01:12:32.480 we'd love to have you
01:12:33.260 given the nature of
01:12:34.200 what you're struggling with
01:12:35.500 which we're clearly aware of
01:12:36.620 as we showed in this film
01:12:37.720 that we've nominated.
01:12:39.380 What do you think
01:12:39.960 of standing backstage
01:12:40.920 where,
01:12:41.940 you know,
01:12:42.260 none of the outbursts
01:12:42.960 will be recorded
01:12:43.660 and disrupt
01:12:44.300 like the future king
01:12:45.820 and queen
01:12:46.720 and the actors
01:12:48.160 and you can meet people?
01:12:50.300 This is not the first time
01:12:51.660 we've encountered Tourette's
01:12:52.820 in the news
01:12:53.500 over the past year or two.
01:12:54.960 I was saying to my team,
01:12:56.480 remember the girl,
01:12:58.240 Fredo Cuomo interviewed her
01:12:59.640 and her name is
01:13:01.920 Baylin Dupree,
01:13:02.660 she's a TikToker 1.00
01:13:03.520 and we showed this.
01:13:04.960 Remember,
01:13:05.320 this is what Tourette's
01:13:06.260 does to you.
01:13:06.820 do things like that.
01:13:09.060 I've had parents
01:13:10.060 reach out to me
01:13:10.840 asking me,
01:13:12.060 oh,
01:13:12.260 my son's coming home
01:13:13.280 with a girlfriend
01:13:13.860 and his girlfriend
01:13:14.940 has Tourette's syndrome.
01:13:18.680 So,
01:13:19.480 and then I also get
01:13:21.280 very evil people
01:13:22.640 that will comment
01:13:23.420 and say like, 1.00
01:13:24.860 go fuck yourself, 1.00
01:13:25.700 Chris, 1.00
01:13:26.060 lick your baby in it, 1.00
01:13:27.200 blow up your ass, 1.00
01:13:28.500 blow your own biscuit, 1.00
01:13:29.400 badass, 0.99
01:13:30.060 that have told me
01:13:31.780 that my parents 1.00
01:13:32.700 deserve to die 1.00
01:13:33.960 in a car accident 1.00
01:13:34.940 because I'm faking
01:13:36.720 my condition
01:13:37.540 or people have told me
01:13:39.360 that,
01:13:39.960 like,
01:13:40.260 I've had to have
01:13:40.700 the police out of my house
01:13:41.880 because people gave out
01:13:43.420 my location
01:13:44.020 and said they're going
01:13:44.620 to come torch my house.
01:13:45.660 Like,
01:13:45.860 it's crazy.
01:13:48.080 Here's the thing.
01:13:50.060 Clinically, 1.00
01:13:51.020 people suck. 1.00
01:13:51.940 Okay, 1.00
01:13:53.880 so,
01:13:54.460 that's Tourette's. 0.99
01:13:56.500 So anyway,
01:13:57.200 it's an unfortunate situation.
01:13:59.260 It is like a shocking thing
01:14:00.860 to see happen,
01:14:01.680 but the absurdity
01:14:03.080 of the BAFTA folks,
01:14:04.740 like putting everyone
01:14:05.620 in this position,
01:14:06.420 from poor John Davidson
01:14:07.780 to the actress
01:14:08.860 who had to present
01:14:09.580 to the prince
01:14:11.300 and princess
01:14:11.840 sitting there,
01:14:12.780 it was an utter fail
01:14:14.080 all around.
01:14:15.140 Now people are resigning
01:14:16.320 from the BAFTA board,
01:14:18.080 I think it was,
01:14:18.700 that we saw
01:14:19.080 on the news today.
01:14:19.960 It's just,
01:14:21.220 yeah.
01:14:21.940 That wound up
01:14:22.840 coming back
01:14:23.440 to haunt everyone.
01:14:25.780 Okay,
01:14:26.760 let's keep going
01:14:27.440 because I want to talk
01:14:28.140 about what happened
01:14:29.240 in New York
01:14:30.260 with the NYPD
01:14:31.740 yesterday.
01:14:32.860 We've had
01:14:33.560 two back-to-back
01:14:35.960 epic snowstorms
01:14:37.440 here in the Northeast,
01:14:38.240 as you've heard
01:14:38.660 about in the news.
01:14:39.800 New York City
01:14:40.640 got absolutely pummeled
01:14:42.540 the first time around.
01:14:43.860 Zoram Mamdani,
01:14:44.740 the new mayor,
01:14:45.320 completely fell down
01:14:46.160 on the job
01:14:46.620 and 19 people died
01:14:47.880 because he didn't want
01:14:49.060 to do homeless sweeps
01:14:50.140 that he thought
01:14:50.620 were inhumane.
01:14:52.100 I guess it's more humane 1.00
01:14:53.160 to let them die. 1.00
01:14:54.800 Okay, 0.99
01:14:55.220 so this time around
01:14:56.020 he reinstituted the sweeps,
01:14:57.640 but now he's dealing
01:14:58.760 with a different controversy
01:14:59.860 because the NYPD
01:15:02.040 came out
01:15:03.420 to deal with,
01:15:04.940 reportedly,
01:15:05.780 it was a massive
01:15:07.340 snowball fight
01:15:08.400 that was happening
01:15:09.120 in one of the parks
01:15:10.500 in New York.
01:15:11.920 And,
01:15:12.180 you know,
01:15:13.040 these things
01:15:13.940 can get nasty
01:15:14.800 and they actually
01:15:15.320 can get dangerous
01:15:16.040 for passers-by.
01:15:16.840 there's no place
01:15:17.440 in New York
01:15:17.840 that's rural
01:15:18.480 where no passerby
01:15:20.240 would be endangered
01:15:20.960 by hundreds of snowballs
01:15:23.460 getting thrown around.
01:15:24.560 So the NYPD
01:15:25.740 goes to try
01:15:26.580 to see
01:15:27.720 if this is orderly
01:15:28.500 and it's not
01:15:29.400 and already
01:15:30.620 like the mob
01:15:31.400 is forming
01:15:31.960 and then
01:15:33.540 they start
01:15:34.800 pelting
01:15:35.820 the cops 1.00
01:15:36.860 in the face
01:15:38.040 and I'm talking
01:15:39.240 man,
01:15:40.420 woman, 1.00
01:15:41.860 black,
01:15:42.640 white,
01:15:43.000 Hispanic,
01:15:43.640 like you name it,
01:15:44.620 all of these 0.98
01:15:46.340 thugs 0.99
01:15:47.160 pummeling them
01:15:48.980 over and over
01:15:50.060 in their heads,
01:15:51.360 in their faces, 0.90
01:15:52.600 down the back 0.87
01:15:53.340 of their necks 0.99
01:15:54.020 with massive snowballs
01:15:55.640 and ice. 0.63
01:15:57.320 Here's some
01:15:57.880 film of it.
01:15:58.800 Watch.
01:15:58.980 OOOH
01:16:05.100 OOOK
01:16:11.940 YYES
01:16:13.240 GET OUT HERE
01:16:14.380 SCAREDUP
01:16:14.940 OOOH
01:16:19.860 I GOT
01:16:20.800 I GOT
01:16:21.160 I GOT
01:16:21.720 I GOT
01:16:23.420 GOT
01:16:24.280 I GOT
01:16:25.440 I GOT
01:16:25.920 I GOT
01:16:26.060 I GOT
01:16:26.460 I GOT
01:16:28.600 They're being forced to retreat
01:16:54.260 in their police vehicles right now.
01:16:56.940 They're way out now.
01:16:58.600 For the listening audience,
01:17:02.920 there are, I don't know,
01:17:04.080 over 100 people following them,
01:17:06.420 all fully grown adults,
01:17:08.380 male and female attackers,
01:17:11.060 if you will, as well.
01:17:12.260 And we have gone now
01:17:14.560 basically 36 hours or more
01:17:19.620 without the mayor of New York
01:17:22.000 saying anything,
01:17:23.180 anything to back the blue,
01:17:25.740 to say this is unacceptable.
01:17:26.920 You may not do this.
01:17:27.980 The police commissioner came out
01:17:30.100 and said that you will all be criminally charged
01:17:33.380 if they manage to track them down.
01:17:36.000 This is a crime.
01:17:37.480 It's assault.
01:17:38.520 The police union came out
01:17:39.940 and said several of the cops were injured
01:17:41.920 to the point where they had to be treated
01:17:43.320 in the ER.
01:17:45.200 And you get an ice ball in the eye,
01:17:47.060 you're going to the hospital.
01:17:48.260 And now today,
01:17:51.940 just as we came to air,
01:17:52.800 Zoram Amdani finally found the time to tweet.
01:17:57.320 He sent out one tweet,
01:17:59.480 and here's how it reads.
01:18:01.120 I've seen the videos of kids.
01:18:04.260 I've seen the videos of kids
01:18:06.140 throwing snowballs at NYPD officers
01:18:09.020 in Washington Square Park.
01:18:10.220 Listeners,
01:18:12.180 please trust me,
01:18:13.700 these were anything but kids.
01:18:15.760 They were fully grown adults.
01:18:18.380 This was not some child snowball fight
01:18:20.720 that one cop found himself in the middle of.
01:18:23.520 This is a lie.
01:18:25.200 I mean,
01:18:25.420 he is five words into it,
01:18:27.980 and he's lying.
01:18:30.420 Officers,
01:18:30.980 like all city workers,
01:18:32.920 have been out in a historic blizzard
01:18:34.640 keeping New Yorkers safe
01:18:35.780 and cars moving.
01:18:37.580 Treat them with respect.
01:18:39.680 If anyone's catching a snowball,
01:18:41.860 it's me.
01:18:44.220 Not it,
01:18:45.560 sir.
01:18:46.800 Not it at all.
01:18:48.420 You're downplaying,
01:18:49.680 you're minimizing,
01:18:51.220 and you're diminishing,
01:18:52.980 and therefore endangering
01:18:54.820 NYPD,
01:18:56.640 who needs a strong statement
01:18:58.380 like that of the police commissioner.
01:19:00.980 It needs to sound closer to F-A-F-O.
01:19:04.740 And so here's what's happening.
01:19:05.960 He's setting the tone
01:19:06.800 such that
01:19:08.040 if and when any of these folks
01:19:09.900 do get arrested,
01:19:11.580 Alvin Bragg
01:19:12.240 is not going to be all that moved,
01:19:13.860 you see,
01:19:14.280 because he doesn't like to indict people
01:19:15.580 not named Donald Trump.
01:19:17.360 He's not going to be all that moved
01:19:18.520 to indict a snowball.
01:19:20.180 I mean,
01:19:20.380 this is just like the Subway sandwich guy
01:19:21.880 down in Washington, D.C.
01:19:23.200 You know,
01:19:23.500 like that grand jury would indict that.
01:19:25.920 And Alvin Bragg's going to say,
01:19:27.000 I can't,
01:19:27.420 I can't,
01:19:27.740 I'm not going to get this
01:19:28.480 through a New York jury.
01:19:29.420 Come on.
01:19:30.280 It's a snowball.
01:19:31.660 Who wants to go after somebody
01:19:32.640 for throwing a snowball?
01:19:34.320 That's not what we saw on that tape
01:19:35.560 or the next one.
01:19:37.540 It was over and over
01:19:39.140 in the face,
01:19:39.940 in the head. 0.82
01:19:40.920 And again,
01:19:41.620 actual injuries,
01:19:42.820 according to the police officers' union
01:19:45.820 and the reporting around this.
01:19:47.840 And I have no problem believing it
01:19:49.360 because it looked bad.
01:19:52.560 Yeah,
01:19:52.800 some were taken to the hospital
01:19:54.240 with lacerations
01:19:55.360 to the face.
01:19:57.380 They were tormented.
01:19:59.020 They were pelted with snowballs
01:20:00.380 at close range
01:20:01.420 as they patrolled the park
01:20:03.260 via the New York Post.
01:20:05.060 At one point,
01:20:06.000 an agitator could be seen
01:20:07.140 dunking a huge chunk of ice
01:20:09.100 onto an officer's head
01:20:11.020 before fleeing.
01:20:13.240 And they were forced to retreat.
01:20:14.960 Jessica Tisch is the New York City
01:20:16.420 police commissioner.
01:20:17.780 Here's exactly what she said.
01:20:19.920 The NYPD is aware
01:20:20.980 of certain videos
01:20:21.600 taken earlier today
01:20:22.440 in Washington Square Park
01:20:23.520 showing individuals attacking cops.
01:20:25.920 I want to be very clear.
01:20:27.420 The behavior depicted
01:20:28.240 is disgraceful
01:20:29.180 and it's criminal.
01:20:30.700 Our detectives
01:20:31.440 are investigating this matter.
01:20:33.440 Then came the union.
01:20:35.700 Unacceptable and outrageous.
01:20:37.460 This is the environment
01:20:38.360 that New York City
01:20:39.040 police officers are up against.
01:20:40.860 Our police officers
01:20:41.660 are being treated
01:20:42.300 for their injuries,
01:20:43.560 but the case cannot end there.
01:20:46.140 The individuals involved
01:20:47.520 must be identified
01:20:48.540 arrested and charged
01:20:49.700 with assault
01:20:50.460 on a police officer.
01:20:52.080 And all of our city leaders
01:20:53.160 must speak up
01:20:53.900 to condemn
01:20:54.520 this despicable attack.
01:20:57.320 And as we came to air today,
01:20:58.580 we hadn't heard anything
01:20:59.420 from Mom Donnie.
01:21:00.220 It took him all that time
01:21:01.800 to come up with,
01:21:03.140 these are just kids.
01:21:04.200 If anyone should be
01:21:05.240 catching a snowball,
01:21:06.620 it's me.
01:21:07.640 Yet another fail 0.99
01:21:08.680 by this pathetic excuse 0.99
01:21:10.560 for a New York mayor. 0.99
01:21:12.900 Okay, we're going to take a break
01:21:14.300 and then next up,
01:21:15.920 a deep dive
01:21:16.540 into the latest
01:21:17.580 of the Nancy Guthrie investigation.
01:21:20.080 Actually, a lot has happened
01:21:21.380 since we last dug in.
01:21:23.100 That's right after this break.
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01:22:10.800 We are turning now
01:22:15.340 to breaking developments
01:22:16.200 in the Nancy Guthrie case.
01:22:17.920 Multiple outlets
01:22:18.700 are now reporting
01:22:19.660 that sources have confirmed
01:22:21.520 as we discussed
01:22:22.800 right here on the MK Show,
01:22:25.400 these two photos
01:22:26.900 taken of the intruder
01:22:28.620 on Nancy Guthrie's porch
01:22:30.160 the night she was taken
01:22:31.840 were taken on two different days.
01:22:35.040 According to those sources,
01:22:36.480 the image with no backpack
01:22:37.920 was captured sometime
01:22:39.280 before the day
01:22:40.980 of Nancy's suspected abduction.
01:22:44.220 The source is declining
01:22:45.140 to provide a specific date
01:22:46.700 citing the ongoing investigation.
01:22:49.760 Sheriff Nanos, however,
01:22:51.220 telling Fox News,
01:22:52.280 quote,
01:22:52.920 the info that it occurred
01:22:54.360 on a different day
01:22:55.340 did not come from the FBI
01:22:57.700 or from us,
01:22:59.720 meaning the Pima County
01:23:00.620 Sheriff's Department,
01:23:02.000 and that the reports
01:23:03.100 are, quote,
01:23:04.000 purely speculative.
01:23:05.320 But there are
01:23:06.760 multiple outlets now.
01:23:08.300 I mean, like,
01:23:09.020 they all ran to their phones
01:23:11.420 and their digital posts
01:23:13.040 immediately,
01:23:13.800 so clearly somebody
01:23:14.740 decided to spread this word.
01:23:16.420 And I'm not sure
01:23:17.220 the sheriff can speak
01:23:18.160 for the FBI,
01:23:19.680 although it is interesting
01:23:20.620 that he tried to here.
01:23:22.340 But in any event,
01:23:23.120 clearly somebody close
01:23:23.940 to the case put this out
01:23:25.020 to multiple news organizations
01:23:26.840 last night
01:23:27.360 that these are
01:23:28.380 two different people.
01:23:29.720 I'm sorry,
01:23:30.120 not two different people,
01:23:31.180 two different days.
01:23:32.660 We've been saying
01:23:33.200 on this show for weeks now
01:23:34.200 that the two images
01:23:35.280 look like they are
01:23:36.560 from different evenings.
01:23:39.160 If you look at the skyline
01:23:40.480 in the background,
01:23:41.220 one is a much lighter sky
01:23:42.740 the night she was taken,
01:23:43.780 and the other is much darker.
01:23:46.700 And, you know,
01:23:47.820 that is alone reason to ask
01:23:50.040 whether it's the same night.
01:23:51.220 Even though the outfit
01:23:52.300 looks the same,
01:23:54.280 but it doesn't have the backpack,
01:23:56.960 it just didn't look right.
01:23:59.500 Now, we also talked about
01:24:00.720 maybe it's just a weird angle
01:24:02.240 in the one,
01:24:02.700 maybe it was this dark
01:24:04.100 or this light,
01:24:04.620 I don't know,
01:24:05.280 but we discussed
01:24:06.380 with our panel
01:24:06.960 a couple of times
01:24:08.280 about whether
01:24:08.920 this was,
01:24:10.720 these are two different nights
01:24:11.640 and why wouldn't
01:24:12.300 the FBI tell us this?
01:24:13.340 The FBI actually told us
01:24:14.700 in the release of these photos
01:24:16.220 that they were both
01:24:17.840 from the early morning hours
01:24:20.420 when Nancy Guthrie
01:24:21.980 was abducted.
01:24:24.240 It's a chilling new detail.
01:24:25.720 It suggests
01:24:26.260 that this guy,
01:24:27.920 this masked suspect,
01:24:29.100 scouted out the home
01:24:29.940 in advance,
01:24:32.160 you know,
01:24:32.440 or possibly made two attempts.
01:24:35.360 I mean,
01:24:35.560 it's possible he tried
01:24:36.500 to get in the first time
01:24:37.300 and couldn't.
01:24:38.460 But this guy,
01:24:39.320 this was no accident.
01:24:41.120 This obviously was no accident.
01:24:42.360 He didn't just stumble
01:24:43.500 upon this home
01:24:44.400 or go on some drug-fueled binge
01:24:46.720 and decide to rob
01:24:48.280 or take something
01:24:50.820 from Nancy Guthrie's home,
01:24:51.980 including Nancy. 0.96
01:24:53.400 Clearly,
01:24:53.880 the guy had been there beforehand,
01:24:55.180 if these reports are true,
01:24:57.580 and went back
01:24:59.180 with a plan in mind.
01:25:01.060 This news comes
01:25:01.780 as Savannah Guthrie
01:25:02.460 posted her latest
01:25:03.580 heartbreaking plea
01:25:04.720 on Instagram this morning,
01:25:07.360 saying the family
01:25:08.140 still has hope,
01:25:09.500 but acknowledging
01:25:10.140 that Nancy 0.77
01:25:10.960 may already be gone
01:25:12.640 and also announcing
01:25:14.320 that the family's now
01:25:15.300 offering a reward directly.
01:25:17.720 You might remember
01:25:18.220 the other one
01:25:18.660 comes from the FBI
01:25:19.480 of a million dollars,
01:25:21.780 up to a million dollars
01:25:23.680 for information
01:25:24.900 leading to their mother's return.
01:25:27.820 Day 24
01:25:28.740 since our mom
01:25:30.560 was taken
01:25:32.380 in the dark of night
01:25:34.460 from her bed.
01:25:37.920 And every hour
01:25:39.420 and minute
01:25:40.320 and second
01:25:41.320 and every long night
01:25:43.420 has been agony
01:25:44.660 since then.
01:25:46.080 We still believe
01:25:47.220 in a miracle.
01:25:49.720 We still believe
01:25:50.760 that she can come home.
01:25:51.920 hope against hope.
01:25:56.800 As my sister says,
01:25:58.100 we are blowing
01:25:58.660 on the embers of hope.
01:26:04.080 We also know
01:26:05.380 that
01:26:06.060 she may be lost.
01:26:09.980 She may already be gone.
01:26:12.960 She may have already 0.82
01:26:14.320 gone home
01:26:14.960 to the Lord
01:26:15.600 that she loves.
01:26:17.320 What is to be,
01:26:18.900 then we will accept it.
01:26:20.860 But we need to know
01:26:25.380 where she is.
01:26:27.740 We need her to come home. 0.99
01:26:31.520 For that reason,
01:26:32.960 we are offering
01:26:34.320 a family reward
01:26:36.360 of up to
01:26:37.300 one million dollars
01:26:38.760 for any information
01:26:41.720 that leads us
01:26:43.480 to her recovery.
01:26:44.480 to please come forward,
01:26:47.420 tell what you know,
01:26:48.860 and help us bring
01:26:50.220 our beloved mom home
01:26:51.780 so that we can either
01:26:53.860 celebrate
01:26:54.500 the glorious,
01:26:55.840 miraculous homecoming
01:26:56.980 or celebrate
01:26:58.600 the beautiful,
01:27:01.060 brave,
01:27:01.660 and courageous,
01:27:02.640 and noble life
01:27:03.520 that she has lived.
01:27:05.000 I mean,
01:27:07.980 you can't help
01:27:08.440 but feel for her.
01:27:10.460 You can feel the stress
01:27:11.920 just looking at her expression
01:27:14.020 and her attempt 0.93
01:27:15.500 to hold back tears
01:27:16.420 as she talks about her mother
01:27:17.640 and now openly acknowledges
01:27:20.120 that she may already be gone.
01:27:23.140 And I think most of us
01:27:25.120 have come to that realization
01:27:26.060 and I'm sure the family
01:27:27.000 will be the last
01:27:27.760 to actually get there,
01:27:28.880 but it sounds like
01:27:30.000 they are getting there. 0.52
01:27:31.660 Savannah Guthrie's not dumb 0.92
01:27:32.980 and I'm sure she knows full well
01:27:35.080 that the odds
01:27:35.540 of her 84-year-old mother
01:27:36.620 being held captive
01:27:38.580 for over three weeks now
01:27:40.220 by someone who clearly
01:27:41.380 does not care about her
01:27:43.520 is not a good way
01:27:47.100 of fostering wellness
01:27:48.620 or longevity
01:27:49.380 for an 84-year-old.
01:27:51.120 It's just so awful
01:27:52.160 and it certainly seems like
01:27:54.300 the case does not have
01:27:55.960 a bunch of new leads
01:27:56.740 and we'll talk about that too
01:27:58.120 with our panel.
01:27:58.880 Here to react
01:27:59.720 is Will Geddes.
01:28:00.820 He's a security expert
01:28:01.940 and founder of
01:28:02.640 International Corporate Protection.
01:28:04.600 James Hamilton,
01:28:05.400 former FBI supervisory
01:28:07.040 special agent
01:28:07.680 and founder of
01:28:08.460 Hamilton Security Group.
01:28:10.860 And Eric O'Neill
01:28:11.680 is back on the program,
01:28:12.640 national security specialist,
01:28:14.380 former FBI
01:28:15.180 counterintelligence operative
01:28:17.120 and author of
01:28:18.200 Spies, Lies, and Cybercrime.
01:28:20.500 And also, Eric,
01:28:23.120 the guy who brought down
01:28:24.780 Robert Hansen,
01:28:26.360 one of our best known,
01:28:28.400 most nefarious spies ever.
01:28:30.220 We have a great episode
01:28:31.040 with Eric
01:28:31.380 where we talk all about it.
01:28:32.920 So we've got some guys
01:28:33.900 who know what they're doing
01:28:34.900 on this panel here.
01:28:36.460 But let me just start
01:28:37.580 with you, Will,
01:28:38.560 because we just talked
01:28:39.520 about this,
01:28:40.220 about whether these were
01:28:41.020 two different images.
01:28:43.180 You know,
01:28:44.120 the one sky was dark,
01:28:45.320 the other sky was light.
01:28:46.560 The guy doesn't have
01:28:47.300 the backpack on
01:28:48.040 in the dark sky night
01:28:48.900 and he does have
01:28:49.540 the backpack on
01:28:50.240 with the mouth light
01:28:51.240 in the lighter sky night.
01:28:53.940 So now,
01:28:55.120 what do you make
01:28:56.620 of the fact
01:28:57.040 that they're admitting,
01:28:57.780 somebody's admitting
01:28:58.540 and spreading to news
01:28:59.720 that it's two different nights?
01:29:01.680 And yet the sheriff,
01:29:02.700 weirdly saying,
01:29:03.440 and speaking for the FBI,
01:29:04.460 saying,
01:29:04.880 none of that came from us.
01:29:06.320 That's speculative.
01:29:08.080 It's,
01:29:09.040 firstly, Megan,
01:29:09.600 thanks for inviting me back on.
01:29:11.120 Firstly,
01:29:11.740 this is quite bizarre,
01:29:13.200 but again,
01:29:13.780 seems to be following
01:29:14.740 the same traits
01:29:15.720 that we've already seen
01:29:16.720 with the sheriff,
01:29:17.940 with evidence being
01:29:19.320 quirked and reshaped
01:29:21.660 in various different forms
01:29:23.060 and him not being able
01:29:24.980 to send a very linear message
01:29:26.560 of progress
01:29:27.580 as things are going along.
01:29:29.300 It certainly falls in track
01:29:30.940 with what we discussed before,
01:29:33.560 where there was a presumption
01:29:35.060 of some advanced reconnaissance,
01:29:37.400 which, for me,
01:29:38.480 kind of discounted it
01:29:39.400 from being a burglary,
01:29:40.980 but there was some advanced
01:29:42.200 sort of visiting
01:29:43.240 to the property,
01:29:44.380 some monitoring
01:29:44.960 to see potentially
01:29:46.280 what the landscape was.
01:29:47.800 And when I say landscape,
01:29:48.880 I mean in terms of security,
01:29:50.740 whether it be
01:29:51.300 the Nest doorbell
01:29:52.400 or whether it be
01:29:53.520 intruder lights,
01:29:54.960 alarms,
01:29:55.500 anything else like that.
01:29:56.820 But the key question
01:29:57.940 for me, Megan,
01:29:58.560 right now is
01:29:59.260 the time
01:30:00.780 between those photographs.
01:30:02.840 That would tell us
01:30:03.780 an awful lot
01:30:04.780 about potentially
01:30:05.860 the degree of motivation
01:30:07.540 behind this individual
01:30:08.780 and if there was
01:30:10.500 a very short
01:30:11.120 or long period
01:30:12.020 will determine
01:30:12.780 perhaps even
01:30:14.060 a level of professionalism,
01:30:16.080 although we're,
01:30:17.440 you know,
01:30:17.760 there are so many indicators
01:30:18.720 that this wasn't
01:30:19.580 what we would term
01:30:20.820 a professional job.
01:30:22.400 There's some speculation,
01:30:24.640 though, again,
01:30:25.240 not confirmed,
01:30:26.340 that it might have been
01:30:28.160 on January 11th
01:30:30.240 because you know
01:30:31.020 that they've asked,
01:30:32.500 the authorities
01:30:33.000 have been going around
01:30:33.540 and neighbors
01:30:33.960 asking them
01:30:34.680 to check their ring cameras
01:30:35.940 specifically on that date.
01:30:38.140 Now, they've also said
01:30:38.940 go back to January 1st.
01:30:40.380 This event happened overnight
01:30:41.540 from January 31st
01:30:42.580 to February 1st.
01:30:43.560 So we can't be sure
01:30:44.940 that the other event
01:30:46.340 may have happened
01:30:46.820 on January 11th,
01:30:47.560 but that's one
01:30:48.480 of the other dates
01:30:49.660 that cops have been
01:30:50.480 asking about Jim
01:30:51.700 and we've all been
01:30:52.820 scratching our heads
01:30:53.780 saying,
01:30:54.320 why,
01:30:55.220 what happened
01:30:55.640 on January 11th?
01:30:56.740 Like, none of us
01:30:57.280 has known
01:30:57.840 and yet now
01:30:59.440 we may have just been
01:31:00.280 effectively given the answer.
01:31:02.340 Yeah, good to see you again
01:31:03.340 on January 11th.
01:31:05.480 To me,
01:31:06.040 it looks like
01:31:06.400 two different nights
01:31:07.160 as you all were saying
01:31:08.620 and why they don't
01:31:10.240 want to say that
01:31:10.880 is interesting to me.
01:31:12.680 But I agree
01:31:13.520 with what you said
01:31:14.100 in the opening
01:31:14.640 about if it is
01:31:15.860 two separate nights,
01:31:16.560 this is a casing
01:31:17.440 as Will was talking about
01:31:18.580 and it would check
01:31:19.640 with that
01:31:20.240 and it also makes sense
01:31:21.920 as to why,
01:31:22.640 you know,
01:31:23.000 he doesn't have
01:31:23.580 the backpack
01:31:24.020 or the gun 0.97
01:31:24.840 in this silly, 0.98
01:31:25.640 you know, 0.91
01:31:25.940 location.
01:31:27.140 But again,
01:31:27.760 the more we,
01:31:28.460 you know,
01:31:28.740 kind of dive
01:31:29.300 into this case,
01:31:30.260 the more people
01:31:31.220 we're seeing
01:31:31.780 around porches
01:31:32.580 at 2 a.m.
01:31:33.380 So, yeah,
01:31:34.340 it's a concern
01:31:35.260 but I think
01:31:37.560 it was two different nights
01:31:38.400 and I wish
01:31:39.400 we could just
01:31:39.940 get some clarity.
01:31:41.800 I mean,
01:31:42.360 what would it tell you
01:31:43.540 though,
01:31:43.720 as a former FBI guy,
01:31:44.840 Jim,
01:31:45.060 what would it tell you
01:31:46.020 is that,
01:31:48.040 do you think
01:31:48.560 that's recon?
01:31:49.640 Like,
01:31:49.960 let me,
01:31:50.440 I'm going to put
01:31:50.740 on my little disc,
01:31:51.440 because it's a very
01:31:51.940 risky recon,
01:31:53.280 no?
01:31:53.780 Like,
01:31:54.200 I would think
01:31:55.140 if I'm going to do
01:31:55.740 recon and a kidnapping,
01:31:56.940 I'm probably going
01:31:57.360 to stay in my car.
01:31:58.500 I don't,
01:31:58.740 like,
01:31:58.860 I've never committed
01:31:59.440 a kidnapping before
01:32:00.260 but I'm just going
01:32:00.940 to guess
01:32:01.360 it would be
01:32:02.360 exponentially riskier
01:32:03.760 to get out of the car
01:32:05.420 and walk up
01:32:06.160 onto the stoop
01:32:06.840 where you can see
01:32:07.920 from a ways away
01:32:09.420 there's a nest camera.
01:32:10.900 Well,
01:32:11.080 again,
01:32:11.440 I'm still not certain
01:32:12.820 that we originally
01:32:14.100 started out
01:32:14.780 as a kidnapping.
01:32:15.260 I'm still not certain
01:32:16.600 that this person,
01:32:17.520 you know,
01:32:17.680 his original intent
01:32:18.460 was to kidnap.
01:32:19.680 It certainly checks
01:32:20.720 with,
01:32:21.140 you know,
01:32:21.760 pre-operational surveillance
01:32:22.740 prior to a robbery,
01:32:24.440 a burglary,
01:32:25.340 some type of home invasion
01:32:26.540 and we've also talked
01:32:29.280 about how dark
01:32:29.840 it is out there.
01:32:30.600 So,
01:32:30.840 if he parked
01:32:31.560 in a close proximity
01:32:32.600 then got out
01:32:33.520 then put the mask on,
01:32:34.880 it's not very suspicious
01:32:35.840 because no one's going
01:32:36.500 to see you.
01:32:37.020 It's so dark there.
01:32:38.440 I don't think he was
01:32:39.040 walking,
01:32:39.440 driving around town
01:32:40.240 with the mask on.
01:32:41.480 But interesting
01:32:42.360 that he has
01:32:42.760 his little,
01:32:43.260 you know,
01:32:43.480 same clothes
01:32:44.340 for his operations
01:32:45.780 that tells us
01:32:46.620 something about
01:32:47.120 the individual.
01:32:48.460 But yeah,
01:32:48.880 I mean,
01:32:49.140 to me,
01:32:49.780 that's what it would
01:32:50.360 tell me is that,
01:32:51.100 you know,
01:32:51.540 this was planned
01:32:52.400 in some degree.
01:32:54.080 Obviously,
01:32:54.420 we know he's made
01:32:55.160 some mistakes,
01:32:55.680 but he didn't make
01:32:56.140 a lot of mistakes
01:32:56.760 because we saw him
01:32:57.360 caught him.
01:32:58.960 Well,
01:32:59.420 there are two ends,
01:33:00.360 Eric,
01:33:00.520 to the communication
01:33:02.120 around this reveal.
01:33:04.260 There's someone
01:33:05.140 in law enforcement
01:33:05.900 who's telling ABC,
01:33:07.840 Fox,
01:33:08.480 News Nation,
01:33:09.240 and others,
01:33:10.920 these were two
01:33:11.440 different nights.
01:33:12.600 Clearly,
01:33:13.080 someone in law enforcement
01:33:13.980 did say that.
01:33:15.980 ABC News says
01:33:17.140 sources to ABC News,
01:33:19.940 according to our sources.
01:33:23.160 Fox says a source
01:33:25.600 with knowledge
01:33:26.120 of the investigation
01:33:26.900 confirmed.
01:33:28.740 Brian Enten said
01:33:29.860 he and another person
01:33:30.960 at News Nation,
01:33:31.700 we each have a source.
01:33:33.580 So we don't know
01:33:34.220 exactly who.
01:33:35.480 Right.
01:33:35.540 But to me,
01:33:36.260 you know,
01:33:36.500 the FBI can sort of
01:33:37.440 speak to what the FBI
01:33:38.200 is likely doing here
01:33:39.080 or if it is the FBI
01:33:40.060 or local sheriff.
01:33:41.260 But as a news person,
01:33:43.580 I can tell you
01:33:44.280 there is zero chance
01:33:46.080 they all just came up
01:33:47.000 with the same wrong story.
01:33:49.340 Someone clearly
01:33:50.060 in law enforcement
01:33:51.000 decided it was time
01:33:51.960 to leak this
01:33:52.540 to the public
01:33:53.180 for some reason.
01:33:54.560 And I don't know,
01:33:55.960 maybe the sheriff
01:33:56.540 wants plausible deniability
01:33:57.920 for some reason.
01:33:58.860 Maybe the person
01:33:59.420 did it without
01:33:59.920 the sheriff's permission.
01:34:01.780 Maybe it's somebody
01:34:02.480 over at FBI
01:34:03.140 and he has no idea
01:34:04.000 what they're doing.
01:34:04.800 But this is
01:34:05.520 definitely not
01:34:06.120 the press
01:34:06.600 making this up.
01:34:08.620 Yeah,
01:34:08.720 I'm going to agree
01:34:09.140 with you.
01:34:09.580 I mean,
01:34:09.700 it certainly shows
01:34:10.480 bad OPSEC
01:34:11.260 or operational security
01:34:12.400 on behalf of
01:34:13.260 the local law enforcement
01:34:14.760 and FBI
01:34:15.340 joint task force
01:34:16.340 trying to catch
01:34:17.120 the perpetrator
01:34:18.180 who showed up
01:34:18.720 in Nancy Guthrie's home
01:34:19.780 and abducted her.
01:34:21.460 You know,
01:34:21.960 I'm not surprised
01:34:22.600 that there are
01:34:23.080 these other,
01:34:23.800 these different images
01:34:24.580 from different periods
01:34:25.540 in time.
01:34:26.520 I mean,
01:34:26.660 the way this works
01:34:27.460 is the camera
01:34:28.480 records everything
01:34:29.860 and sends it
01:34:30.980 to Ring server,
01:34:31.980 I'm sorry,
01:34:32.320 Nest server.
01:34:33.600 And that's the way
01:34:34.200 that you can use
01:34:34.800 your app to actually
01:34:35.580 see it,
01:34:36.260 even if you don't
01:34:36.940 have a subscription.
01:34:38.060 But what happens
01:34:38.580 is it's marked
01:34:39.160 to auto-delete,
01:34:40.180 right?
01:34:40.560 So it probably
01:34:41.340 got written over
01:34:42.120 a number of times
01:34:43.120 and it can be
01:34:43.780 reconstructed.
01:34:44.640 It's painstaking.
01:34:46.440 Obviously,
01:34:46.960 they had the one video
01:34:47.860 that's a pretty decent
01:34:49.140 shot of the individual
01:34:50.060 showing motion,
01:34:51.400 his eyes,
01:34:52.500 and that was
01:34:53.120 what they released
01:34:53.860 in order to get
01:34:54.480 the public to look
01:34:55.180 at it and think,
01:34:56.120 maybe I recognize
01:34:56.920 that person
01:34:57.520 and hopefully catch
01:34:58.420 a break in this case.
01:34:59.860 I always thought
01:35:00.840 that they had more
01:35:01.600 than they were releasing
01:35:02.460 and it doesn't make sense
01:35:04.240 that they would release
01:35:05.140 that earlier image.
01:35:06.940 So that seems to me
01:35:07.840 like a break
01:35:08.580 in the chain of command
01:35:09.660 there,
01:35:10.000 someone who decided
01:35:10.800 on their own
01:35:11.460 to release it
01:35:12.200 because there's no reason
01:35:13.180 to say,
01:35:13.700 hey,
01:35:13.740 the guy was there earlier.
01:35:14.760 But it was released
01:35:15.560 with the other photos.
01:35:18.040 It just wasn't clarified
01:35:19.300 to be on a separate date
01:35:20.980 until now.
01:35:22.280 Right.
01:35:22.680 So I mean,
01:35:23.440 in Kash Patel's original
01:35:24.760 dump of these photos,
01:35:26.640 he said these were all
01:35:27.680 taken the night
01:35:28.180 she disappeared.
01:35:28.680 And you know,
01:35:29.720 the other thing is
01:35:30.280 that the way
01:35:30.780 they reconstruct this data
01:35:32.640 is there's no time stamps
01:35:34.020 on it.
01:35:34.820 You know,
01:35:35.000 I've always been wondering
01:35:35.880 whether perhaps
01:35:37.100 they had some of the audio
01:35:38.160 because that would typically
01:35:39.040 be recorded directly
01:35:40.140 with the video
01:35:40.960 and of course
01:35:41.740 they're not releasing that.
01:35:43.300 And it makes perfect sense.
01:35:44.500 I'm agreeing with James
01:35:45.440 and Will
01:35:45.820 that the perpetrator
01:35:47.400 would have had
01:35:48.080 to case the area.
01:35:49.340 It's a really difficult place
01:35:50.800 like James said.
01:35:52.260 The area is incredibly dark
01:35:54.420 and it's also
01:35:55.500 a warren of streets
01:35:56.660 and if you're really smart,
01:35:57.600 you don't bring your cell phone
01:35:58.660 with you to a crime
01:35:59.720 that allows the FBI
01:36:01.140 to look at telemetry
01:36:02.640 from cell towers
01:36:03.820 as your phone moves through
01:36:05.960 and pings them.
01:36:07.580 And so they have to figure out
01:36:08.560 how to get there.
01:36:09.120 I'll continue for another minute
01:36:09.820 on this, Eric,
01:36:10.440 as our former cyber guy.
01:36:13.500 Do you believe
01:36:14.460 by this point
01:36:15.260 the cell phone data
01:36:17.340 has proven not helpful
01:36:19.200 because we're three weeks in
01:36:20.520 and they would have already
01:36:21.580 had that,
01:36:22.000 would they not?
01:36:22.400 Yes.
01:36:22.600 If they brought their phones
01:36:23.460 with them,
01:36:23.820 I think that they might have
01:36:25.400 had a better clue
01:36:26.580 of who this was
01:36:27.440 and so I don't think
01:36:28.300 that that cell phone data,
01:36:30.300 which is always very difficult
01:36:31.260 anyway to triangulate,
01:36:32.360 is going to help.
01:36:34.020 You know,
01:36:34.320 they were using things
01:36:35.040 like BlueFi.
01:36:35.980 That's really difficult
01:36:37.040 and BlueFi,
01:36:38.320 I'm sure you've talked,
01:36:39.560 I know you've talked
01:36:40.340 about it before,
01:36:40.980 but this is a technology
01:36:42.080 that allowed them
01:36:42.760 to actually put it
01:36:43.500 on the bottom of helicopters
01:36:45.140 and scan different signals
01:36:48.300 coming from Bluetooth devices
01:36:49.780 or wireless devices
01:36:51.480 to try to find that pacemaker.
01:36:53.460 That's really useful
01:36:54.680 when you're in a large area
01:36:57.620 of terrain
01:36:58.240 like Yosemite National Park
01:37:00.500 where there's not
01:37:01.280 a lot of signal noise,
01:37:02.780 but over an urban environment
01:37:04.240 like this
01:37:04.660 where there are millions
01:37:05.960 of Bluetooth devices
01:37:06.900 all sending signals.
01:37:07.920 It's hard to find
01:37:08.420 that one needle 0.67
01:37:09.000 in a haystack.
01:37:10.340 You know,
01:37:10.780 a lot of what they're doing
01:37:11.780 are very innovative technologies
01:37:13.560 to try to find
01:37:14.660 more clues
01:37:15.860 toward this perpetrator,
01:37:17.320 but it's very difficult
01:37:18.760 just because of this dense area
01:37:20.400 and because,
01:37:21.720 I mean,
01:37:22.500 I don't know
01:37:23.180 if it was Will or Jim
01:37:24.080 who said it,
01:37:24.680 but they did a good job
01:37:26.040 of covering their tracks
01:37:26.900 for someone
01:37:27.360 who didn't look
01:37:28.040 super, super professional.
01:37:30.360 Either they're incredibly lucky
01:37:31.640 or they're really good.
01:37:32.540 Will,
01:37:34.900 what are your thoughts
01:37:36.240 on why would this guy
01:37:38.740 show up earlier?
01:37:39.880 Like,
01:37:40.080 if this was January 11th,
01:37:41.760 unconfirmed,
01:37:42.880 unconfirmed technically
01:37:44.020 that it was even
01:37:44.860 a separate night,
01:37:46.000 right?
01:37:46.320 I mean,
01:37:46.860 the sheriff's denying it
01:37:47.860 or at least saying
01:37:48.840 this is speculative.
01:37:50.980 What was the guy doing?
01:37:52.740 Like,
01:37:52.940 why would you show up?
01:37:53.680 There's no gun,
01:37:54.920 notably,
01:37:55.480 in that picture
01:37:56.900 without the backpack,
01:37:58.320 but I mean,
01:37:59.020 what kind of a person
01:37:59.680 would put the whole mask
01:38:01.460 over the head
01:38:02.120 and walk up on the stoop
01:38:04.080 and apparently do nothing
01:38:05.900 and then only to come back?
01:38:08.640 Well,
01:38:09.140 I mean,
01:38:09.380 I think it follows
01:38:10.380 what we were saying
01:38:11.560 a little bit earlier,
01:38:12.340 Megan,
01:38:12.720 that this is what we would call
01:38:14.460 a soft probe reconnaissance,
01:38:16.160 which is just a,
01:38:17.380 it could be a walk past
01:38:18.940 of the actual property itself.
01:38:20.480 It's looking at
01:38:21.260 neighboring properties,
01:38:22.520 again,
01:38:23.020 depending on the sophistication
01:38:24.620 of the perpetrator
01:38:26.340 and again,
01:38:27.200 depending on what
01:38:28.280 their ultimate objective
01:38:29.520 might be.
01:38:30.240 But in a basic level,
01:38:32.700 it will be looking at
01:38:33.540 what security there is,
01:38:34.700 what intrusion detection
01:38:35.800 there might be,
01:38:36.920 whether it be lights,
01:38:37.780 salons or otherwise.
01:38:39.020 But it will also be looking at,
01:38:40.740 if it gets more sophisticated,
01:38:42.640 could be looking at
01:38:43.340 local neighbors,
01:38:44.640 seeing if they've got cameras,
01:38:46.140 the aspect obviously
01:38:47.140 onto the front of the property.
01:38:48.480 So if,
01:38:49.820 let's say,
01:38:50.520 that speculatively
01:38:51.960 they were going to remove
01:38:53.760 Nancy from the property,
01:38:55.460 again,
01:38:55.780 it was looking at
01:38:56.600 who else would be able
01:38:57.600 to capture or record this,
01:38:59.140 what kind of devices there were,
01:39:00.820 how sophisticated they might be.
01:39:02.400 So again,
01:39:03.480 we know that
01:39:04.100 the very front of the property
01:39:05.340 had a lot of bushing
01:39:06.880 and a lot of
01:39:08.420 sort of garden area,
01:39:09.800 which might have made it
01:39:10.900 very difficult
01:39:11.420 for a direct line of sight,
01:39:13.160 which would mean
01:39:14.120 that he would have to,
01:39:15.900 and that is obviously
01:39:16.740 speculating that it's a male,
01:39:17.880 but I think we're safe
01:39:18.520 to say that,
01:39:19.380 actually needing to go
01:39:20.460 closer to the property.
01:39:21.880 And again,
01:39:22.760 removing the potential
01:39:24.100 for identity,
01:39:25.140 like James was saying,
01:39:26.460 may not have stepped out
01:39:27.500 of the vehicle
01:39:28.080 or his vehicle
01:39:28.940 with the ski mask on,
01:39:30.680 but got a little closer
01:39:31.680 to the property.
01:39:32.660 And again,
01:39:33.060 it's quite dark there
01:39:34.240 being able to put on that mask
01:39:35.820 and then being able
01:39:36.760 to get a little closer
01:39:37.660 look on the front door.
01:39:40.000 There is news
01:39:40.860 just breaking
01:39:41.540 on the DNA
01:39:42.620 that was found
01:39:43.420 inside the house.
01:39:44.820 Plus,
01:39:45.260 I really want to get into
01:39:46.260 what jumped out at me
01:39:47.660 in that Savannah note.
01:39:48.700 There are two new reveals,
01:39:50.640 as far as I see it,
01:39:51.680 on clues in this case.
01:39:53.600 We'll talk about them
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01:41:39.380 All right, James,
01:41:39.960 so I want to talk
01:41:41.180 about the
01:41:41.640 Savannah Guthrie
01:41:42.700 latest statement.
01:41:44.240 There's a lot,
01:41:44.780 actually,
01:41:45.000 to go through today,
01:41:45.700 that statement,
01:41:46.300 plus there's a couple
01:41:46.840 of other pieces.
01:41:47.800 As I mentioned,
01:41:48.740 something's just
01:41:49.320 breaking about the DNA.
01:41:51.800 What jumped out at me
01:41:53.160 was,
01:41:54.060 I don't know if she
01:41:54.660 intended to or not,
01:41:55.980 but she made a little 0.93
01:41:56.800 news about the actual
01:41:58.120 crime,
01:41:58.840 where she said,
01:42:00.180 it's day 24
01:42:02.120 since our mom
01:42:03.000 was taken in the
01:42:04.140 dark of night
01:42:04.840 from her bed.
01:42:06.660 Yep.
01:42:07.480 No one has ever
01:42:08.340 said that before.
01:42:09.400 In fact,
01:42:09.740 the sheriff
01:42:10.140 said it early on
01:42:11.740 and then took it back
01:42:12.780 and said,
01:42:13.980 I didn't mean
01:42:14.900 to say that.
01:42:15.600 I'm not confirming
01:42:16.740 whether she was taken
01:42:17.480 from her bed.
01:42:18.380 But there it is,
01:42:19.380 straight from Savannah
01:42:20.240 Guthrie herself.
01:42:21.860 That's news.
01:42:22.860 I mean,
01:42:23.140 there was speculation,
01:42:24.240 even we speculated
01:42:25.200 just last week
01:42:25.880 on this program,
01:42:27.340 about whether
01:42:28.020 this intruder
01:42:29.420 was possibly
01:42:30.800 knocking on the door
01:42:31.920 before he was,
01:42:32.840 like,
01:42:33.100 messing with that
01:42:33.720 nest cam,
01:42:34.300 because it almost
01:42:34.760 looked like a knock.
01:42:35.660 Other people have
01:42:36.240 speculated he rang
01:42:37.060 the doorbell
01:42:37.680 to get Nancy Guthrie
01:42:38.900 to come downstairs,
01:42:39.840 because there didn't
01:42:41.820 appear to be forced
01:42:42.460 entry,
01:42:42.800 at least at the front.
01:42:44.180 Ashley Banfield
01:42:44.820 reported early on
01:42:45.740 in this case
01:42:46.180 that her source
01:42:46.740 told her there
01:42:47.280 was forced entry.
01:42:48.600 We don't know
01:42:49.060 which door.
01:42:50.400 She also reported
01:42:51.120 that the back door
01:42:51.740 to the house
01:42:52.060 was left wide open,
01:42:53.660 so presumably
01:42:54.340 it was the back door.
01:42:55.080 But in any event,
01:42:56.520 in her bed is,
01:42:57.880 or from her bed,
01:42:59.140 taken in the middle,
01:43:00.180 in the dark of night
01:43:00.900 from her bed is new.
01:43:03.020 What, if anything,
01:43:03.820 does it tell us?
01:43:05.460 Yeah, good for you.
01:43:06.420 That's why you're
01:43:06.960 an investigative journalist,
01:43:08.180 because that's immediately
01:43:09.080 what I picked up on.
01:43:10.920 You know,
01:43:11.200 that, okay,
01:43:11.660 this is,
01:43:12.380 wait a minute,
01:43:12.780 is she just saying that
01:43:13.960 as if to say,
01:43:15.100 you know,
01:43:15.620 sometimes in kidnappings,
01:43:17.480 you know,
01:43:17.900 like a JonBenet Ramsey
01:43:19.040 taken in,
01:43:19.660 you know,
01:43:19.800 from her bed type of deal,
01:43:20.880 and it's almost like,
01:43:22.260 you know,
01:43:22.780 something you would say,
01:43:23.680 but I'm with you.
01:43:24.440 I think she was literally
01:43:25.820 that Savannah knows
01:43:27.360 something that we didn't know,
01:43:28.580 and now we do know,
01:43:29.780 that she was taken
01:43:30.700 from her bed.
01:43:31.600 Well, that rules out,
01:43:33.120 you know,
01:43:33.480 that Miss Guthrie, 0.99
01:43:35.260 you know,
01:43:35.820 answered a door,
01:43:36.880 there was a knock
01:43:37.460 on the door,
01:43:37.920 she went out,
01:43:38.540 answered the door,
01:43:39.520 and then the guy took her.
01:43:41.200 That rules that out.
01:43:42.580 If there was forced entry,
01:43:44.020 or any,
01:43:44.680 there had to have been
01:43:45.140 some type of entry,
01:43:46.320 you know,
01:43:46.740 either forced,
01:43:47.500 or she left the door unlocked,
01:43:49.020 God forbid,
01:43:49.960 and they rousted her 0.87
01:43:51.480 from her bed.
01:43:52.200 Now,
01:43:52.500 that's a totally
01:43:53.200 different thing,
01:43:54.100 and so,
01:43:54.380 yeah,
01:43:54.740 that's significant.
01:43:55.960 It also seems to me,
01:43:58.560 Will,
01:43:58.820 to suggest
01:43:59.820 that Savannah believes
01:44:02.900 her mom did,
01:44:04.440 in fact,
01:44:04.700 return home to her house
01:44:06.000 after having dinner
01:44:07.820 with Tommaso
01:44:09.260 and Annie,
01:44:11.040 Savannah's sister
01:44:11.680 and brother-in-law,
01:44:12.660 earlier in the evening.
01:44:13.620 You know,
01:44:13.880 we've all speculated
01:44:14.660 about whether,
01:44:15.740 like,
01:44:15.920 what's the proof
01:44:16.400 that Tommaso
01:44:17.540 actually dropped her off
01:44:18.380 at 948
01:44:18.940 with the garage door opening
01:44:20.040 and then closing again
01:44:20.880 at 950?
01:44:21.680 Like,
01:44:22.120 why do we believe that?
01:44:23.580 Now,
01:44:23.740 we believe the pacemaker
01:44:24.600 continued to work
01:44:25.540 until 228
01:44:27.600 that morning,
01:44:28.300 at least,
01:44:29.560 but what's our evidence
01:44:30.480 that Nancy Guthrie
01:44:31.540 was actually in that home?
01:44:33.060 And our only evidence
01:44:34.100 was really that
01:44:34.680 the police said she was,
01:44:36.260 and they seemed
01:44:37.000 to believe it,
01:44:38.360 and you tell me,
01:44:39.440 Savannah saying
01:44:40.400 her mom was taken
01:44:41.840 from her bed
01:44:42.680 seems to tell us
01:44:43.620 that Savannah
01:44:44.760 believes that too,
01:44:45.620 which means that's
01:44:46.140 what law enforcement
01:44:46.720 told her.
01:44:47.680 Yeah,
01:44:48.040 I think that's the only place
01:44:49.380 that she could have
01:44:50.140 drawn that information
01:44:51.080 or gleaned that information
01:44:52.100 from,
01:44:52.820 and that's not uncommon,
01:44:54.100 certainly,
01:44:54.680 where family members
01:44:56.200 will be told
01:44:57.180 a little bit of detail,
01:44:58.600 asked to keep it
01:44:59.320 to themselves
01:44:59.860 more often than not,
01:45:01.060 but the care management
01:45:02.680 of families
01:45:03.360 in these kinds of situations,
01:45:04.980 whether it be abductions,
01:45:06.640 whether it be kidnappings
01:45:07.600 or otherwise,
01:45:08.960 when someone's gone missing,
01:45:11.380 will be to try
01:45:12.100 and keep them
01:45:14.060 having a little bit of hope
01:45:15.260 wherever possible.
01:45:16.920 But I think,
01:45:17.800 you know,
01:45:18.020 speaking with my other panel members,
01:45:20.000 with Eric and James,
01:45:21.080 in the break,
01:45:22.360 I think we're all
01:45:23.140 in the agreement
01:45:23.720 that this most certainly
01:45:25.400 was an abduction.
01:45:26.300 As to when it exactly happened,
01:45:28.200 again,
01:45:28.640 we're relying on
01:45:29.780 certain information
01:45:30.480 provided by family members.
01:45:32.220 Again,
01:45:32.780 how precise they are
01:45:33.900 on their timings,
01:45:34.700 again,
01:45:35.300 is potentially questionable
01:45:37.240 and is very difficult
01:45:38.840 to evidence
01:45:39.500 unless,
01:45:40.240 again,
01:45:40.620 this is captured
01:45:41.320 on the Nest camera
01:45:42.340 and there is evidence
01:45:43.460 of when Nancy
01:45:44.240 actually walked in
01:45:45.040 or whether she went
01:45:46.160 in via the garage
01:45:47.220 as it's believed
01:45:47.880 to be the case.
01:45:49.720 But I think
01:45:50.140 in terms of
01:45:51.240 this abduction,
01:45:52.500 you know,
01:45:52.840 it is an abduction.
01:45:54.740 If it was a kidnap,
01:45:56.500 again,
01:45:57.200 my fellow panel members,
01:45:58.820 we all agree,
01:45:59.780 you know,
01:46:00.060 ultimately,
01:46:00.600 they're looking
01:46:00.900 for some sort of ransom.
01:46:02.400 But because of
01:46:03.160 the amount of publicity
01:46:04.080 this has garnished,
01:46:04.880 and I certainly know
01:46:05.620 many, many cases
01:46:06.860 where someone
01:46:07.780 has been kidnapped
01:46:08.580 by unsophisticated criminals,
01:46:11.180 that as soon as
01:46:11.880 it gets some attention,
01:46:13.160 as soon as they believe
01:46:14.140 they're on the radar,
01:46:14.860 it's not a closed affair
01:46:16.500 with family members
01:46:17.600 or whoever
01:46:18.180 they may be demanding
01:46:19.260 the ransom from,
01:46:20.500 then they can panic
01:46:21.720 because of their fear
01:46:22.600 of apprehension
01:46:23.360 and dispose of the hostage.
01:46:26.180 So I think,
01:46:27.100 regrettably,
01:46:27.960 you know,
01:46:28.180 this was an abduction.
01:46:29.720 If it wasn't for kidnapping,
01:46:31.220 what was the motivation?
01:46:32.560 What was the reasoning
01:46:33.260 behind that?
01:46:35.040 Eric,
01:46:35.480 what do you think?
01:46:36.160 Well,
01:46:36.420 I'm going to agree,
01:46:37.380 and we did talk about this
01:46:38.360 earlier during the break,
01:46:39.400 it certainly looks like
01:46:40.300 an abduction.
01:46:41.060 We don't know the reasons
01:46:41.920 they were there.
01:46:42.640 It could have been a shakedown.
01:46:43.920 It could have been
01:46:44.540 some other angry event.
01:46:46.460 And then,
01:46:47.160 of course,
01:46:47.900 the abduction happens
01:46:49.760 and you have a trail of blood
01:46:50.880 leading out of the house.
01:46:53.240 You know,
01:46:53.560 it's interesting that
01:46:54.380 we have the forced entry
01:46:56.100 and then quite possibly
01:46:57.540 the back door is wide open
01:46:59.020 and that she's in the bed.
01:47:01.100 Now,
01:47:01.360 one thing that I take
01:47:02.520 from Savannah's
01:47:04.000 newest video
01:47:05.840 is that
01:47:06.780 there's more despondency
01:47:08.700 and less hope
01:47:09.360 in the family.
01:47:11.000 She certainly
01:47:11.600 is starting
01:47:13.340 to come around
01:47:13.940 to the fact
01:47:14.360 that 24 days into it,
01:47:15.740 it's very unlikely
01:47:16.420 that we will ever find
01:47:17.760 Nancy Guthrie alive.
01:47:19.300 I mean,
01:47:19.520 that is heartbreaking.
01:47:20.820 I think it is now
01:47:21.760 worse for the family
01:47:22.800 that
01:47:23.660 they have no way
01:47:25.180 of contacting
01:47:26.180 the alleged kidnappers,
01:47:28.260 and that's why
01:47:28.820 we're saying
01:47:29.220 it's an abduction,
01:47:30.520 and that they don't know.
01:47:31.900 And the scary thing here is
01:47:33.480 I think eventually
01:47:34.620 that the FBI
01:47:35.740 does catch this individual.
01:47:37.500 I mean,
01:47:37.740 it's just an odds game.
01:47:39.020 You know,
01:47:39.820 with enough time
01:47:40.760 and enough data
01:47:42.540 and enough work,
01:47:43.520 they tend to catch
01:47:45.160 the perpetrator.
01:47:46.620 But do we ever find Nancy?
01:47:48.420 And it's not likely
01:47:50.920 that we're going to find her
01:47:52.340 alive at this point.
01:47:54.480 Right.
01:47:55.220 It's been too many days.
01:47:56.960 The other thing
01:47:57.520 that jumped out at me
01:47:58.260 about Savannah's statement
01:47:59.560 was hope against hope.
01:48:03.460 As my sister says,
01:48:05.240 we are blowing
01:48:06.040 on the embers of hope.
01:48:07.260 She mentions the sister,
01:48:09.160 James,
01:48:09.500 which is interesting,
01:48:10.680 given all the focus
01:48:12.520 on the sister
01:48:13.380 and more accurately
01:48:14.780 the sister's husband.
01:48:17.160 To me,
01:48:17.920 that's a way
01:48:18.960 of endorsing the sister
01:48:20.040 and reminding us
01:48:21.140 they still believe in her
01:48:22.980 and probably in Tomas, too.
01:48:25.460 I don't think
01:48:25.800 you mentioned the sister
01:48:26.540 unless you're looking
01:48:27.500 to rehabilitate them both.
01:48:29.820 So I think she communicated
01:48:31.060 something with that, too.
01:48:32.040 Your thoughts?
01:48:32.540 I do,
01:48:33.000 and I think we don't know.
01:48:34.460 I don't know enough
01:48:35.040 about their family.
01:48:35.860 She doesn't mention
01:48:36.580 her brother very much,
01:48:37.760 but I would say
01:48:38.800 that that caught my eye,
01:48:41.400 but my ear, rather.
01:48:42.780 What I really heard
01:48:43.960 was the million dollars.
01:48:45.760 And I know we talked
01:48:46.480 about this,
01:48:47.040 I think,
01:48:47.400 two weeks ago
01:48:48.080 when I was with you,
01:48:49.260 and the reward
01:48:50.460 was 50 grand.
01:48:52.000 And I was saying...
01:48:52.980 You said it needed
01:48:53.580 to be higher.
01:48:54.020 Yeah,
01:48:54.320 and now here we are.
01:48:55.420 You said 500,000.
01:48:56.680 Right.
01:48:57.260 And they went up
01:48:58.000 the next day to 100,
01:48:58.860 and now they've gone up
01:48:59.640 next to their...
01:49:00.840 And then they doubled
01:49:01.640 your reward, ultimately.
01:49:03.240 Money talks.
01:49:04.360 And for me,
01:49:05.420 it speaks to
01:49:07.060 what I've felt
01:49:07.860 the whole time,
01:49:08.640 just the lack of urgency
01:49:10.060 in this case.
01:49:11.060 I mean, 24 days,
01:49:12.100 it feels like
01:49:12.820 we're working this,
01:49:13.660 like it's a robbery
01:49:15.100 or a burglary.
01:49:16.480 It just has never felt
01:49:17.880 to me like
01:49:18.700 a human life
01:49:19.560 abduction story.
01:49:20.800 And the cases
01:49:21.240 I've been involved in,
01:49:22.040 right?
01:49:22.540 Like the case
01:49:23.020 I've been involved in
01:49:23.760 where someone is missing,
01:49:25.240 there is a sense
01:49:26.000 of urgency.
01:49:27.000 And you,
01:49:27.440 I mean,
01:49:27.780 everything you got,
01:49:29.180 you're throwing at it.
01:49:30.000 And a $50,000 reward
01:49:31.800 did not seem like urgency.
01:49:33.260 And now here we are
01:49:33.920 24 days later
01:49:34.980 and, okay,
01:49:35.900 a million bucks.
01:49:36.680 Well, hopefully somebody
01:49:37.660 finally says something,
01:49:38.740 but let's keep going
01:49:39.780 because, again,
01:49:40.640 the woman is still out there. 0.89
01:49:42.120 Whether she's alive or not,
01:49:43.680 we need to find this lady. 0.99
01:49:46.720 James,
01:49:47.220 that is so true
01:49:48.160 because one of the things
01:49:49.500 that was so weird
01:49:50.160 about this case
01:49:50.620 from the get-go
01:49:51.220 was within 24 hours
01:49:53.600 of realizing Nancy was gone,
01:49:55.060 they called off
01:49:55.980 the search and rescue.
01:49:57.700 The sheriff said,
01:49:58.520 we've called it off.
01:49:59.280 He said permanently,
01:50:00.940 but he said,
01:50:01.460 but we'll restart it
01:50:02.220 if we need to.
01:50:03.340 The FBI got in
01:50:04.720 and started to deploy resources
01:50:06.460 that I don't know
01:50:07.180 if it was looking for Nancy
01:50:07.960 or looking for clues,
01:50:08.840 but they were looking.
01:50:09.880 But who ends
01:50:11.440 the search and rescue
01:50:12.460 after 24 hours?
01:50:14.280 You said it.
01:50:15.100 And then he said
01:50:15.820 something else
01:50:16.340 I read this weekend
01:50:17.180 that, you know,
01:50:17.900 he said something like,
01:50:18.720 we're not giving up.
01:50:20.200 What are you talking about?
01:50:21.960 How do you get that option?
01:50:23.200 You don't get that option.
01:50:24.420 You don't get the,
01:50:25.180 I can just give up
01:50:26.440 on finding a person.
01:50:28.160 That's just not an option.
01:50:29.380 Not on the table.
01:50:32.840 You're right.
01:50:33.540 And so it's like,
01:50:34.340 I mean,
01:50:34.540 the sheriff,
01:50:34.940 of course,
01:50:35.160 is like,
01:50:35.560 we're going to find her.
01:50:36.680 We'll do whatever it takes.
01:50:37.600 Could take days.
01:50:38.760 Could take years.
01:50:40.360 What?
01:50:40.720 Right.
01:50:40.940 Right.
01:50:41.120 Like, again,
01:50:42.000 who talks like that?
01:50:43.260 But you're right.
01:50:44.020 The lack of the sense
01:50:45.360 of urgency
01:50:45.940 has been right there
01:50:47.560 in our face all along.
01:50:48.480 And not only now,
01:50:49.500 Will,
01:50:50.100 that Savannah
01:50:51.020 sounds hopeless.
01:50:52.860 Let's face it.
01:50:53.560 I mean,
01:50:53.680 she's talking about,
01:50:54.360 the sister says,
01:50:55.600 we're blowing on the embers of hope.
01:50:57.860 She says,
01:50:58.420 she may already be gone.
01:51:00.060 She may already have gone home 0.99
01:51:01.500 to the Lord that she loves.
01:51:03.080 She's dancing in heaven 0.90
01:51:04.140 with her mom and dad
01:51:05.360 and her beloved brother
01:51:06.660 and with our dad.
01:51:08.440 If this is what it is to be,
01:51:09.600 we'll accept it,
01:51:10.440 but we need to know
01:51:11.160 where she is.
01:51:12.760 And then says,
01:51:13.720 at the bottom,
01:51:15.680 we,
01:51:18.280 help us bring her
01:51:19.680 home our beloved mom
01:51:20.780 so we can either celebrate
01:51:22.740 a glorious,
01:51:23.880 miraculous homecoming
01:51:25.040 or,
01:51:26.400 she specifically puts this in here,
01:51:27.820 celebrate the beautiful,
01:51:28.960 brave,
01:51:29.260 and courageous,
01:51:30.420 noble life
01:51:31.160 that she has lived.
01:51:32.600 So,
01:51:33.560 she's being very explicit here
01:51:35.020 that we recognize
01:51:35.980 there's a very,
01:51:37.220 very good chance 0.95
01:51:37.980 that she's dead 0.95
01:51:39.680 and it's,
01:51:40.380 it's,
01:51:41.040 it's hoping against hope
01:51:42.880 that she's not,
01:51:44.380 but now here's a million dollars.
01:51:46.300 So,
01:51:46.620 what's that about?
01:51:47.600 I know,
01:51:47.960 it's bizarre.
01:51:49.100 And again,
01:51:49.840 this is pure speculation,
01:51:51.140 Megan,
01:51:51.280 but your point
01:51:52.020 and what you were discussing
01:51:53.320 with James just now
01:51:54.060 about the 50,000
01:51:55.060 which initially came out,
01:51:56.840 any open source research,
01:51:58.480 just a simple Google
01:51:59.320 as Savannah's salary 0.95
01:52:00.960 would bring you
01:52:02.200 into,
01:52:02.820 into the context
01:52:03.420 of 50,000
01:52:04.220 as a pittance
01:52:05.020 and it doesn't
01:52:06.260 communicate any sense
01:52:08.180 of urgency
01:52:08.780 in terms of wanting
01:52:10.000 to determine
01:52:10.980 or establish
01:52:11.760 where a mother is.
01:52:14.280 The other thing is,
01:52:15.600 again,
01:52:15.880 this is speculation
01:52:16.540 on my part,
01:52:17.800 is that certainly
01:52:18.480 the beginning
01:52:18.920 of communications
01:52:20.160 in the event
01:52:21.100 of it turning
01:52:21.660 into a kidnapping
01:52:22.700 will be too lowball
01:52:24.520 to a certain extent
01:52:25.380 until a figure
01:52:26.120 is actually presented
01:52:27.020 because it gives
01:52:27.700 some sort of indication
01:52:29.100 of what funds
01:52:29.820 may be available
01:52:30.580 or what funds
01:52:31.240 could be readily accessible
01:52:32.340 to resolve
01:52:33.500 or to settle
01:52:34.420 any kind
01:52:34.880 of ransom.
01:52:36.000 So this could
01:52:37.040 have been
01:52:37.320 as a result
01:52:38.080 of poor advice
01:52:39.160 that she was given
01:52:40.080 to only cap it
01:52:41.380 at about 50,000
01:52:42.400 because I think
01:52:42.920 any child
01:52:44.860 of a parent
01:52:46.160 that's gone missing
01:52:46.780 is going to offer
01:52:48.020 unbelievable amounts
01:52:49.700 of money
01:52:50.020 to determine
01:52:50.960 the whereabouts
01:52:51.560 or the safe return
01:52:52.400 of their parents
01:52:53.260 if they've gone missing.
01:52:54.920 So I think
01:52:55.740 in this instance
01:52:56.440 that...
01:52:56.820 Well, and there are reports
01:52:57.800 now today
01:52:58.600 that she was reportedly
01:52:59.820 ready,
01:53:00.940 Michael Ruiz of Fox
01:53:02.160 reporting on X,
01:53:03.760 sources with knowledge
01:53:04.740 of the family's thinking
01:53:05.700 say the Guthrie's
01:53:06.420 initially raised
01:53:07.120 the idea of the reward,
01:53:08.560 this bigger reward
01:53:09.340 on the first day
01:53:10.080 of the investigation.
01:53:11.200 They were advised
01:53:12.000 by law enforcement
01:53:12.580 to hold off
01:53:13.260 as, quote,
01:53:14.580 doing so earlier
01:53:15.620 might overwhelm
01:53:16.560 the infrastructure
01:53:17.320 set up to field leads,
01:53:19.620 tens of thousands
01:53:20.280 of which have been
01:53:21.280 coming in organically.
01:53:22.880 They are now offering
01:53:24.140 the seven-figure sum
01:53:25.020 after coordinating
01:53:25.720 with investigators.
01:53:27.100 I mean,
01:53:27.400 that makes sense to me.
01:53:28.340 I'm sure Savannah's
01:53:29.340 definitely got tens
01:53:29.920 of millions of dollars
01:53:30.580 in the bank.
01:53:31.040 There's no way
01:53:31.480 she would hesitate
01:53:32.040 to say here's a million
01:53:32.920 to save my mom's life.
01:53:34.760 Yeah, this is poor advice
01:53:36.280 I think initially
01:53:37.140 because you want
01:53:37.980 to set a sense of urgency
01:53:39.480 but I think
01:53:40.020 even this million dollar
01:53:41.620 sort of reward
01:53:42.540 is a mute offer
01:53:44.540 because ultimately
01:53:45.960 whoever has been involved
01:53:48.220 in the abduction
01:53:48.880 of Nancy
01:53:49.520 is highly unlikely
01:53:51.160 to provide
01:53:52.320 any kind of evidence
01:53:53.220 unless it's someone
01:53:53.900 associated
01:53:54.660 or a family member
01:53:55.920 or a friend
01:53:56.780 who knows
01:53:57.400 the individual
01:53:58.940 or the individuals
01:53:59.800 that are responsible
01:54:00.660 for Nancy's abduction
01:54:01.700 who are going
01:54:02.540 to furnish
01:54:03.080 that information
01:54:03.780 and ultimately
01:54:04.860 it's a little
01:54:05.420 too much too late.
01:54:08.180 All right,
01:54:08.920 I'm just going to go
01:54:09.960 cynical reporter
01:54:10.800 for a second here
01:54:11.760 because I believe
01:54:14.680 that story
01:54:15.420 that Savannah
01:54:16.080 was ready
01:54:16.460 to offer the money
01:54:17.220 from day one
01:54:18.000 and was told
01:54:18.660 by seasoned law enforcement
01:54:20.620 that's just going
01:54:21.240 to bring every single
01:54:22.160 crazy out of the woodwork 0.96
01:54:23.360 who thinks
01:54:24.760 they know anything
01:54:25.480 because a million dollars
01:54:26.440 is a fortune
01:54:27.260 and everyone's
01:54:29.100 going to want it
01:54:29.720 so she held it
01:54:30.900 but there is also
01:54:33.120 I'm just going to say
01:54:34.740 there's also the possibility
01:54:35.800 that the reason
01:54:38.300 somebody close to Savannah
01:54:39.780 talked her out
01:54:40.900 of offering a million dollars
01:54:42.180 early on
01:54:42.760 is they thought
01:54:44.680 somebody might
01:54:45.360 come out of the woodwork
01:54:46.680 and point the finger
01:54:47.340 at them.
01:54:48.960 You know,
01:54:49.160 I mean,
01:54:49.820 it doesn't
01:54:50.480 just because Savannah
01:54:51.420 believes in the sister
01:54:52.320 and the brother-in-law
01:54:53.140 doesn't mean
01:54:53.660 the rest of us
01:54:54.280 have to say
01:54:55.400 they had nothing
01:54:56.100 to do with it.
01:54:56.760 You know,
01:54:56.920 the cops keep going there 0.98
01:54:57.920 they keep searching
01:54:58.540 the place overnight
01:54:59.320 they towed her car
01:55:01.440 and so it's also possible
01:55:03.800 Eric,
01:55:04.480 that sister Annie
01:55:06.240 or brother-in-law Tomas
01:55:07.620 were quick to push
01:55:09.060 law enforcement's thing
01:55:10.400 saying that's
01:55:10.960 that's going to cause chaos
01:55:12.700 hold that one back
01:55:14.200 and it would certainly
01:55:16.000 help us understand
01:55:17.000 why only now
01:55:17.800 when they're completely
01:55:18.480 forlorn
01:55:19.040 and they're desperate
01:55:19.940 and seemingly
01:55:21.900 out of leads
01:55:22.700 did they try to throw
01:55:23.460 some money at the problem?
01:55:24.620 Yeah,
01:55:24.820 it's certainly possible.
01:55:26.340 You know,
01:55:26.840 when I look at this
01:55:27.640 I wonder
01:55:28.080 was the sheriff
01:55:29.840 initially thinking
01:55:31.060 this is easily
01:55:32.580 a kidnapping
01:55:33.220 because he saw
01:55:34.340 a ransom note
01:55:35.760 come in to TMZ
01:55:37.040 which might be
01:55:38.500 why he releases
01:55:39.280 the crime scene
01:55:40.300 way too early
01:55:41.280 and then sets
01:55:42.780 But he released it
01:55:43.480 before the ransom note
01:55:44.540 came in.
01:55:44.760 Right.
01:55:45.060 He released it
01:55:45.580 on Monday
01:55:46.580 and the first ransom note
01:55:47.760 I think hit Tuesday
01:55:48.860 evening or Wednesday.
01:55:49.980 And he sets the
01:55:50.660 well,
01:55:51.520 then the family
01:55:52.420 with law enforcement
01:55:53.460 set the reward
01:55:54.600 way too low
01:55:55.480 thinking that
01:55:56.500 this is a kidnapping
01:55:57.240 we're going to work
01:55:57.900 that chain
01:55:59.480 of investigation
01:56:00.860 and now realizing
01:56:02.580 that this is not
01:56:03.420 a kidnapping
01:56:03.900 it's an abduction
01:56:04.740 because kidnappers
01:56:06.680 actually want to make money
01:56:07.940 they don't
01:56:08.920 send a note
01:56:10.020 and then never respond
01:56:10.980 to you
01:56:11.380 and give you no avenue
01:56:12.780 to negotiate
01:56:13.940 with them
01:56:14.400 and here finally
01:56:15.800 they're looking
01:56:16.360 for those tips.
01:56:17.240 I like the idea
01:56:18.200 that was raised
01:56:19.900 that they got
01:56:21.360 40,000, 50,000 tips
01:56:22.840 and a lot of those tips
01:56:23.840 were nonsense
01:56:24.440 they were things like
01:56:25.600 I've got a theory
01:56:26.920 on the case
01:56:27.600 or I don't like this person
01:56:29.500 maybe it was them
01:56:30.360 and they have to
01:56:31.340 sift through that
01:56:31.960 and that's a lot
01:56:32.520 of infrastructure
01:56:33.020 to do that
01:56:33.840 and then maybe
01:56:35.740 it's fear
01:56:36.220 that if we raise it
01:56:36.940 too much
01:56:37.260 we're going to invite
01:56:37.960 a lot more of that
01:56:38.860 but at this point
01:56:40.200 look
01:56:40.520 a million dollars
01:56:41.400 is a lot of money
01:56:42.060 somebody knows that guy
01:56:43.840 and there's no honor
01:56:45.280 among thieves
01:56:46.160 maybe that person
01:56:47.340 some person
01:56:47.980 will say
01:56:49.300 hey I can make
01:56:50.040 a cool billion
01:56:50.600 and just give up
01:56:51.700 my friend.
01:56:53.440 We're banking on it
01:56:54.440 we're banking on
01:56:55.060 there being no honor
01:56:55.700 among thieves
01:56:56.360 because so far
01:56:57.060 we've gotten
01:56:57.540 no leads.
01:56:59.740 This just in
01:57:00.960 as I mentioned
01:57:01.720 when we went to break
01:57:02.760 breaking news
01:57:04.840 and it's not good
01:57:05.560 same from Fox
01:57:07.220 the DNA samples
01:57:08.940 recovered from
01:57:09.760 inside of Nancy Guthrie's home
01:57:11.580 mainly came back
01:57:13.080 to people
01:57:13.560 who had a reason
01:57:14.280 to be there
01:57:14.840 according to two
01:57:16.340 federal law enforcement
01:57:17.140 sources
01:57:17.580 one unknown sample
01:57:19.640 yielded only
01:57:20.420 a partial profile
01:57:21.620 that could not
01:57:22.680 be checked
01:57:23.220 against the FBI's
01:57:24.500 CODIS database
01:57:25.380 of known offenders.
01:57:27.960 I mean this was
01:57:29.000 the most hopeful
01:57:30.020 thing we had
01:57:30.760 Will
01:57:31.040 right?
01:57:31.980 The DNA
01:57:32.540 unlike the gloves
01:57:33.820 which are two miles away
01:57:34.900 this is unknown
01:57:36.700 DNA
01:57:37.180 inside the house
01:57:38.640 which they had
01:57:39.520 already said
01:57:39.940 they believed
01:57:40.320 was not linked
01:57:40.840 to a landscaper
01:57:41.660 or a housemate
01:57:42.400 or anybody
01:57:42.860 helping Nancy
01:57:43.700 or who knew Nancy
01:57:45.040 it was the most
01:57:46.280 promising thing
01:57:46.900 we had
01:57:47.440 and what they're
01:57:48.820 basically saying
01:57:49.600 is
01:57:49.960 no luck.
01:57:51.820 Yeah
01:57:51.920 it is a turkey
01:57:53.760 shoot
01:57:54.100 in many regards
01:57:54.940 we were talking
01:57:55.440 about this
01:57:55.900 the other night
01:57:56.580 weren't we
01:57:56.960 the other day
01:57:57.480 about trying
01:57:59.200 to get into
01:57:59.620 ancestry
01:58:00.180 and the various
01:58:00.860 other groups
01:58:02.040 and myself
01:58:02.840 and Derek
01:58:03.440 and James
01:58:03.900 were talking
01:58:04.200 about this
01:58:04.580 again in the break
01:58:05.300 that the biggest
01:58:06.280 problem you're
01:58:06.880 going to have
01:58:07.380 is even with
01:58:08.160 their assistance
01:58:09.120 and compliance
01:58:09.840 to try and
01:58:10.440 extend that DNA
01:58:11.520 surge
01:58:12.120 there is every
01:58:13.020 chance that
01:58:13.640 individuals who
01:58:14.880 may have
01:58:15.120 contributed
01:58:15.540 may opt out
01:58:16.640 in being able
01:58:17.540 to or taken
01:58:18.060 that opt out
01:58:18.760 option
01:58:19.220 to sharing it
01:58:20.440 with the parties
01:58:21.440 and ultimately
01:58:22.720 then you're into
01:58:23.480 an incredibly
01:58:24.760 difficult position
01:58:25.700 and I'm no lawyer
01:58:27.160 I wouldn't be able
01:58:27.860 to advise as to
01:58:28.740 what their next
01:58:29.560 steps might be
01:58:30.160 and the chaps 0.97
01:58:30.640 the other chaps 1.00
01:58:31.420 might come up
01:58:32.040 with some good
01:58:32.560 suggestions
01:58:33.000 but unfortunately
01:58:34.500 yes it's one
01:58:35.200 of those dead ends
01:58:36.320 which ultimately
01:58:37.780 again puts the
01:58:39.720 sheriff in a very
01:58:40.360 precarious position
01:58:41.120 because he's
01:58:42.120 lent so heavily
01:58:43.300 on various
01:58:44.320 different pieces
01:58:45.340 of the trail
01:58:46.540 that have been
01:58:47.260 discovered
01:58:47.720 and vouched
01:58:48.860 for them
01:58:49.160 and then ultimately
01:58:49.940 they've fallen apart
01:58:50.960 for one reason
01:58:51.520 or another
01:58:51.860 well what we hear
01:58:54.400 now James
01:58:55.040 and again
01:58:55.320 the DNA inside
01:58:56.320 the house
01:58:56.660 has been a bit
01:58:57.140 of a mystery
01:58:57.580 from the get-go
01:58:58.240 the sheriff
01:58:59.060 has never really
01:58:59.600 specified whether
01:59:00.340 it was blood
01:59:00.820 or something else
01:59:01.540 whatever it was
01:59:03.020 he sent to the
01:59:03.500 Florida lab
01:59:04.100 and there was a
01:59:04.500 question about
01:59:04.840 whether it should
01:59:05.260 have gone to
01:59:05.580 Quantico
01:59:06.040 I heard a very
01:59:07.500 robust defense
01:59:08.280 of the Florida
01:59:08.920 lab by
01:59:09.580 I think
01:59:11.200 I think it was
01:59:11.600 Laura Engel
01:59:12.180 who's now on
01:59:12.860 News Nation
01:59:13.300 worked with me
01:59:13.800 at Fox for years
01:59:14.580 saying it really
01:59:15.520 is a very
01:59:15.940 very respected
01:59:16.580 lab
01:59:17.000 and you know
01:59:18.460 impeccable
01:59:19.060 in its credentials
01:59:19.880 but in any event
01:59:21.380 didn't come up
01:59:21.820 with anything here
01:59:22.440 then the sheriff
01:59:23.240 said
01:59:23.940 that not only
01:59:25.460 did the gloves
01:59:25.920 in the field
01:59:26.360 not test
01:59:27.060 positive for
01:59:29.420 DNA
01:59:30.020 or become
01:59:33.460 back useful
01:59:34.040 at all
01:59:34.480 he
01:59:35.440 somebody said
01:59:36.020 how about
01:59:36.280 the DNA
01:59:36.660 inside the
01:59:37.960 house
01:59:38.120 and he
01:59:38.360 said
01:59:38.540 no
01:59:38.900 so we
01:59:39.880 it seemed
01:59:41.240 like he was
01:59:41.580 suggesting
01:59:41.920 they had
01:59:42.300 already gotten
01:59:42.860 this disappointing
01:59:43.680 news on the
01:59:44.220 DNA inside the
01:59:44.920 house
01:59:45.100 but now
01:59:45.780 today we
01:59:46.260 hear
01:59:46.600 no
01:59:47.420 this is
01:59:47.920 actually
01:59:48.260 the official
01:59:48.980 news
01:59:49.900 that the
01:59:50.260 DNA inside
01:59:50.800 the house
01:59:51.120 so far
01:59:52.020 has not
01:59:52.660 come back
01:59:53.020 helpful at
01:59:53.440 all
01:59:53.760 and now
01:59:54.780 Fox News
01:59:56.060 goes on
01:59:56.360 to report
01:59:56.660 they may
01:59:57.020 try to do
01:59:57.500 genetic
01:59:57.920 genealogy
01:59:58.580 on it
01:59:59.120 like running
02:00:00.040 it against
02:00:00.540 possibly a
02:00:01.220 state database
02:00:02.060 in Arizona
02:00:02.720 to see if
02:00:03.240 there's some
02:00:03.680 hit against
02:00:04.320 some tenth
02:00:05.340 relative
02:00:05.740 or something
02:00:06.300 that they
02:00:06.560 can start
02:00:06.860 drawing closer
02:00:07.600 lines back
02:00:08.120 to the
02:00:08.380 perp
02:00:08.660 we don't
02:00:09.840 even know
02:00:10.200 if it is
02:00:10.880 the perps
02:00:11.380 like that
02:00:12.020 might be
02:00:12.340 exciting
02:00:12.720 James
02:00:13.040 if we
02:00:13.420 thought
02:00:13.780 we know
02:00:15.020 like when
02:00:15.920 the Brian
02:00:16.220 Kohlberger
02:00:16.600 case
02:00:16.880 it's the
02:00:17.400 knife sheath
02:00:18.140 and these
02:00:18.580 people were
02:00:19.060 stabbed to
02:00:19.760 death 0.98
02:00:20.060 we're pretty
02:00:20.640 sure this
02:00:21.200 thing belonged
02:00:21.800 to the
02:00:22.080 murderer
02:00:22.420 this is like
02:00:23.520 random DNA
02:00:24.320 if you came
02:00:24.680 to my house
02:00:25.080 and tested
02:00:25.520 random DNA
02:00:26.360 even if you
02:00:26.840 tested all
02:00:27.260 the people
02:00:27.540 who come
02:00:27.860 through
02:00:28.180 to do
02:00:28.940 whatever it
02:00:29.320 is that
02:00:29.600 gets done
02:00:29.980 in a
02:00:30.160 house
02:00:30.440 you'd miss
02:00:31.320 a couple
02:00:31.820 just this
02:00:32.520 morning we
02:00:32.860 had Stanley
02:00:33.340 Steamer
02:00:33.720 here
02:00:34.100 you'd miss
02:00:34.960 I'd forget
02:00:35.480 about that
02:00:35.980 one you know
02:00:36.600 like the
02:00:36.920 once in a
02:00:37.360 while guy
02:00:37.900 like this
02:00:39.080 just doesn't
02:00:39.920 feel like a
02:00:40.400 real lead
02:00:40.980 well I
02:00:41.860 wanted to
02:00:42.300 go back
02:00:43.060 because I
02:00:43.660 think that
02:00:44.200 the language
02:00:45.580 used is
02:00:46.200 very interesting
02:00:46.880 that the
02:00:47.460 language used
02:00:48.100 was the
02:00:48.700 DNA
02:00:49.140 was for
02:00:50.600 people that
02:00:51.100 should have
02:00:51.560 been there
02:00:52.060 or people
02:00:52.680 that had
02:00:53.160 reason to
02:00:53.940 be in the
02:00:54.300 home
02:00:54.560 well who
02:00:54.900 is that
02:00:55.540 what is
02:00:56.340 that list
02:00:57.000 is is that
02:00:57.760 the sister
02:00:58.760 is it the
02:00:59.680 I'm sorry
02:01:00.200 the daughter
02:01:00.720 and the
02:01:01.240 you know
02:01:01.720 the husband
02:01:02.180 we've been
02:01:02.520 talking about
02:01:03.140 who exactly
02:01:04.480 are these
02:01:05.060 people and
02:01:05.720 then for
02:01:06.360 anyone to
02:01:07.260 say that
02:01:07.800 we're ruling
02:01:08.300 out people
02:01:08.880 how can
02:01:09.300 you do
02:01:09.560 that how
02:01:10.400 can you
02:01:10.760 rule out
02:01:11.460 100%
02:01:12.760 somebody yeah
02:01:13.620 they may
02:01:14.020 have an
02:01:14.380 alibi for
02:01:15.040 that night
02:01:15.760 but doesn't
02:01:16.840 mean they
02:01:17.140 weren't involved
02:01:17.720 in some way
02:01:18.380 shape or form
02:01:19.120 so I don't
02:01:19.900 like the
02:01:20.480 premise of we
02:01:21.460 just rule them
02:01:22.040 out now we
02:01:22.560 have DNA of
02:01:23.320 who people
02:01:24.040 that you say
02:01:25.020 should have
02:01:25.560 been in the
02:01:25.920 home well who
02:01:26.380 is that
02:01:26.960 because you
02:01:28.300 know unlike
02:01:29.140 maybe you Megan
02:01:29.940 if you've got a
02:01:30.460 bunch of
02:01:30.780 vendors I don't
02:01:31.500 have a bunch
02:01:31.900 of vendors
02:01:32.260 coming to
02:01:32.580 my home
02:01:32.880 that's a
02:01:33.260 very short
02:01:33.800 list so who
02:01:34.480 are these
02:01:34.900 people and
02:01:35.780 let's go back
02:01:36.580 I still have
02:01:37.240 not found any
02:01:38.080 information on
02:01:39.220 Pac-Man and I
02:01:40.420 haven't found any
02:01:40.940 information on the
02:01:41.740 guy on the porch
02:01:42.640 with the neck
02:01:43.220 tattoo so what
02:01:44.440 happened to those
02:01:45.200 leads did that
02:01:46.460 just go away like
02:01:47.440 the Range Rover
02:01:48.140 there's just so
02:01:49.240 much you know
02:01:50.000 unknown I
02:01:50.840 have I have an
02:01:51.940 update for you on
02:01:52.660 that and that and
02:01:53.540 this is where things
02:01:54.340 start to get really
02:01:55.060 depressing this is
02:01:57.620 reportedly I mean
02:01:58.460 it's really only
02:01:58.960 Fox News proper
02:02:00.260 and Fox News
02:02:00.920 Digital and
02:02:01.800 News Nation and
02:02:03.340 occasionally the
02:02:03.880 New York Post and
02:02:04.880 Ashley Banfield who
02:02:05.640 are actually breaking
02:02:06.340 new information on
02:02:07.120 this case ever seems
02:02:08.220 like nobody else has
02:02:08.880 actual sources although
02:02:10.240 yours truly has some
02:02:11.280 sources but this is
02:02:13.800 what this is what
02:02:15.300 we've gotten from I'm
02:02:17.420 not going to
02:02:17.700 individually source
02:02:18.380 these but obviously
02:02:20.040 NBC too that the
02:02:22.440 the gun shops where
02:02:24.580 they went in with 40
02:02:25.300 names and 40 pictures
02:02:26.240 saying do you know any
02:02:27.220 of these people did
02:02:28.040 not help that the
02:02:30.880 video pictures of the
02:02:32.520 abductor from the
02:02:34.160 nest can did not
02:02:35.740 help that just hit
02:02:37.320 that that the cops are
02:02:39.520 now saying they
02:02:40.000 didn't get any viable
02:02:41.420 leads from that I
02:02:43.400 think that is TMZ
02:02:44.720 today our sources say
02:02:46.660 neither the still
02:02:47.380 photo nor the video
02:02:48.380 from February 1st has
02:02:49.520 helped them identify
02:02:50.720 the getaway car or
02:02:53.180 the suspect so nothing
02:02:55.820 from the best lead
02:02:58.100 they had the pictures
02:02:59.100 of the perp that the
02:03:00.800 DNA inside the house
02:03:02.200 did not help that
02:03:04.200 those gloves they
02:03:04.880 found two miles away
02:03:05.720 did not help those
02:03:07.760 raids they conducted
02:03:09.020 on four different
02:03:10.720 people one guy Carlos
02:03:13.040 and then the next
02:03:14.280 weekend three other
02:03:15.320 people did not help
02:03:16.940 and then today well I
02:03:19.920 mean this past couple
02:03:22.140 days we hear this
02:03:23.860 from Brian Enten
02:03:26.320 interviewing retired
02:03:27.840 FBI agent Steve
02:03:28.920 Moore the following
02:03:29.600 question in
02:03:30.820 56 it's certainly
02:03:33.460 not a hot case
02:03:34.580 and and the way
02:03:36.040 the way I would
02:03:36.960 define that is
02:03:37.900 that they if
02:03:40.620 they thought
02:03:41.380 something was going
02:03:42.140 to happen right now
02:03:43.080 the last thing they
02:03:44.380 would be doing is
02:03:45.780 releasing assets
02:03:47.800 you know people going
02:03:49.180 back to their home
02:03:50.020 offices agents going
02:03:51.160 back to their divisions
02:03:52.140 so they don't think
02:03:54.880 it's imminent but
02:03:56.820 they it is not
02:03:58.360 cold cold to where
02:03:59.920 they assign it just
02:04:01.340 to one or two
02:04:02.160 agents and they see
02:04:03.440 what they can do
02:04:04.260 with it so
02:04:05.100 technically no I
02:04:06.200 would not call it
02:04:07.040 cold I would say
02:04:08.420 that it is cooled
02:04:09.240 off quite a bit
02:04:10.300 cooled off quite a
02:04:12.920 bit and not hot is
02:04:14.040 not great James
02:04:14.800 no it's not and
02:04:15.880 again I I hope you
02:04:17.620 know what I'm talking
02:04:18.180 about when I say
02:04:18.600 Pac-Man it was a guy
02:04:19.620 that we had the video
02:04:20.360 and he had the two
02:04:21.040 backpacks and then
02:04:21.980 we had another video
02:04:23.000 of a guy with the
02:04:23.880 neck tattoo
02:04:24.300 they ruled him out
02:04:24.880 too they said it
02:04:25.760 wasn't him right
02:04:26.400 and that's what I'm
02:04:27.040 concerned about is
02:04:28.040 you know that's a
02:04:30.060 lot of ruling out
02:04:30.920 there's a lot of
02:04:31.620 ruling out going on
02:04:32.680 and then I read that
02:04:33.960 the the sheriff and
02:04:35.640 two of his top
02:04:36.540 deputies who've been
02:04:37.460 with him forever
02:04:38.160 they're the only
02:04:38.880 people who are you
02:04:40.000 know leading the
02:04:40.860 case or running the
02:04:41.800 case well who's doing
02:04:43.060 the interrogations
02:04:43.980 interrogation is an
02:04:45.060 art and that has
02:04:46.000 developed over 20
02:04:47.380 plus years of being
02:04:49.020 in the box with a
02:04:50.100 person you know and
02:04:51.200 really you got to
02:04:53.220 know what you're
02:04:53.680 doing in there and
02:04:54.520 to just rule somebody
02:04:55.580 out what are you 0.94
02:04:56.260 using a liar liar 1.00
02:04:57.200 pants on fire 0.97
02:04:57.900 defense I mean I
02:04:58.660 don't understand how
02:04:59.760 we're just ruling
02:05:00.720 these people out
02:05:01.600 arbitrarily without
02:05:03.080 you know really doing
02:05:04.480 some hard interviews
02:05:05.280 to get some
02:05:05.920 information and I
02:05:07.360 thought those were
02:05:07.840 pretty good leads
02:05:08.500 and I hate to hear
02:05:09.420 that they've been
02:05:10.300 ruled you know
02:05:11.100 ruled out
02:05:11.840 I know I mean this
02:05:14.360 is depressing well to
02:05:15.800 hear that all like
02:05:16.860 literally every every
02:05:18.060 clue we've been
02:05:19.000 discussing since the
02:05:19.860 case first broke has
02:05:21.380 been it's gone nowhere
02:05:22.980 yeah I mean did you
02:05:24.460 remember Megan I
02:05:25.420 mentioned to you a
02:05:26.940 while back on one of
02:05:27.780 the other shows that
02:05:29.500 certainly in a
02:05:30.280 kidnapping and I'm not
02:05:31.100 saying it was a
02:05:31.840 kidnapping all we know
02:05:33.160 is it's an abduction
02:05:34.020 that she disappeared
02:05:35.100 but in kidnappings we
02:05:37.600 have what we call the
02:05:38.440 70 percent rule which
02:05:39.780 means in 70 percent of
02:05:41.320 kidnappings or
02:05:42.640 abductions there will
02:05:44.020 be someone close to
02:05:45.320 the victim or close to
02:05:46.600 the the hostage
02:05:47.900 70 70 who will
02:05:50.880 actually have some
02:05:52.220 involvement whether
02:05:53.020 they be providing
02:05:54.200 information to the
02:05:55.800 abductors or the
02:05:56.860 kidnappers or it be
02:05:58.720 someone that is known
02:05:59.660 to the hostage you
02:06:01.060 know so so ultimately
02:06:02.800 again I agree with
02:06:03.980 James I agree with
02:06:04.900 Eric it's just simply
02:06:06.860 bizarre that he's
02:06:08.440 the sheriff is
02:06:09.320 discounting and
02:06:10.560 eliminating certain
02:06:11.840 people from the
02:06:12.500 inquiries and saying
02:06:13.460 well that's those
02:06:14.740 suspects that closed
02:06:15.540 off until such time as
02:06:17.140 the body has been
02:06:18.140 determined and found
02:06:19.580 everybody's still a
02:06:21.280 suspect in my book
02:06:22.200 and now the the other
02:06:25.480 evidence that the case
02:06:26.600 may be growing cold is
02:06:29.020 the reports that are
02:06:31.860 growing that the news
02:06:32.940 media has left I mean
02:06:35.180 that local representative
02:06:36.680 the Arizona congresswoman
02:06:38.660 like the state
02:06:39.780 congresswoman legislator
02:06:40.940 has been begging the
02:06:42.580 media to leave and
02:06:43.500 we've been mocking her
02:06:44.260 how dare she how 0.57
02:06:45.700 dare she because once
02:06:46.500 the media goes the
02:06:47.340 cops will eventually go
02:06:48.180 to there will not be
02:06:48.980 400 officers on this
02:06:50.040 case once the media
02:06:51.180 loses interest
02:06:51.960 guaranteed guaranteed
02:06:54.140 um but now look at
02:06:56.100 this report from news
02:06:57.260 for Tucson reporter
02:06:58.340 Andrew Capasso here
02:06:59.820 showing the scene
02:07:00.940 outside of Nancy's
02:07:01.800 house yesterday
02:07:02.800 sat 55
02:07:03.540 and you know that
02:07:05.280 there has been a lot
02:07:06.320 of media out here a
02:07:07.540 lot of national
02:07:08.140 networks cable networks
02:07:09.340 um and they've all
02:07:11.060 been um up and down
02:07:12.680 this street here of
02:07:13.680 course the house is on
02:07:14.460 this side here and
02:07:15.800 that's where uh most of
02:07:17.360 the media has been um
02:07:19.040 one thing you'll notice
02:07:20.240 is there's almost no one
02:07:21.760 left it's the cones
02:07:23.080 that uh the county put
02:07:24.760 up this weekend but
02:07:26.140 there are very few
02:07:27.680 reporters left here this
02:07:29.480 morning when I was
02:07:30.040 doing my live shots
02:07:30.840 normally you would be
02:07:31.820 able to hear the other
02:07:32.640 reporters uh in my
02:07:34.460 microphone because we're
02:07:35.340 just so close to each
02:07:36.340 other this morning it
02:07:37.980 was I was the only one
02:07:39.080 out here uh doing live
02:07:40.540 shots and sure enough
02:07:42.760 Eric you the New York
02:07:43.680 Post is reporting that
02:07:44.720 uh some resources are
02:07:46.620 leaving they're they're 0.97
02:07:47.920 starting to cut down on
02:07:49.340 the number of law
02:07:50.460 enforcement officers they
02:07:51.280 have devoted to this
02:07:52.120 yeah I mean the interest
02:07:53.860 generates a lot of the
02:07:55.140 detail and and the more
02:07:56.400 that we learn about the
02:07:57.060 case the more that the
02:07:57.900 public remains interested
02:07:58.940 and that can keep law
02:07:59.900 enforcement engaged
02:08:01.660 especially when you've
02:08:03.060 got the president of the
02:08:04.220 United States saying he
02:08:05.260 wants this case solved
02:08:06.200 now I don't think the
02:08:07.080 FBI backs off I mean we
02:08:08.780 can be very tenacious when
02:08:10.100 there's a case in an
02:08:10.860 investigation you never
02:08:11.860 want to give up and you
02:08:13.000 do want to find the
02:08:13.840 perpetrator but it is
02:08:15.540 looking more and more
02:08:16.620 difficult and that it's
02:08:19.140 going to take a lot more
02:08:19.840 time because all of these
02:08:20.980 avenues just as you one
02:08:22.740 after the other uh set up
02:08:24.320 and knocked down are
02:08:25.180 falling apart you know
02:08:26.540 relying on genetic
02:08:27.520 genealogy to try to trace a
02:08:30.160 partial match of DNA that
02:08:31.800 is not in the CODIS
02:08:32.720 database which the
02:08:34.040 combined DNA index system
02:08:35.600 that's the FBI's
02:08:36.240 database it was always
02:08:37.540 going to be a long shot
02:08:38.500 that a piece of DNA from
02:08:40.060 that house was going to be
02:08:40.900 in CODIS I mean that
02:08:41.780 would be your bad guy or
02:08:42.660 at least someone who had a
02:08:43.560 record but I I'm gonna
02:08:45.400 I'm gonna agree with my
02:08:46.200 co-panelists it's a real
02:08:47.780 bad idea to rule out
02:08:49.040 anyone who was in that
02:08:50.000 home why that is a big
02:08:51.920 house and we know from a
02:08:53.580 lot of the information
02:08:54.560 that there's good evidence
02:08:56.520 that the perpetrators
02:08:57.620 cased the area and the
02:08:59.180 home earlier than the
02:09:01.120 event which means you
02:09:02.740 know if they're gonna
02:09:03.500 break in the house they've
02:09:04.300 got to know where to go
02:09:05.260 they have to know where
02:09:05.860 her bedroom is you're not
02:09:06.860 just gonna go wander
02:09:07.720 around in a home uh for
02:09:09.520 whatever reason they were
02:09:10.440 there that turned into an
02:09:11.480 abduction blind and usually
02:09:13.980 in these sort of cases it's
02:09:15.380 someone with knowledge of
02:09:16.540 the home already someone
02:09:17.700 who's been inside the
02:09:18.640 home so I don't know why
02:09:19.940 you would rule out everyone
02:09:21.220 who uh I don't know what
02:09:22.560 the term was but but had a
02:09:23.660 reason to be there I mean I
02:09:24.860 wouldn't even rule out the
02:09:25.700 pool boy who's still allowed
02:09:26.900 to go over there and
02:09:28.200 clean the pool um I
02:09:29.920 wouldn't make sure that
02:09:30.760 anyone and was there yeah
02:09:32.460 right was was still being
02:09:34.040 looked at here's something
02:09:34.780 else here's something else
02:09:36.560 that just happened um the
02:09:38.520 news just broke that the
02:09:39.740 police are are at Nancy
02:09:41.500 Guthrie's right now posting
02:09:43.660 no trespassing signs outside
02:09:46.120 of her home they're posting
02:09:47.540 no trespassing signs I don't
02:09:49.220 know if this is the reason
02:09:50.000 why but Phil Holloway our
02:09:52.220 own uh MK true crime 0.87
02:09:53.740 contributor he um posted
02:09:57.460 this video we're showing
02:09:58.580 here yesterday with the
02:10:00.820 following caption he'd just
02:10:02.620 been out at Nancy's house
02:10:03.840 last week what in the fresh
02:10:05.760 hell is going on at Nancy
02:10:07.020 Guthrie's house this is
02:10:07.840 before the no trespassing
02:10:08.820 signs today this group of
02:10:10.340 women from Mexico are 1.00
02:10:11.980 digging in her yard looking
02:10:14.400 for her body it's like these 0.96
02:10:17.260 women just walked up with a 1.00
02:10:18.360 shovel one of the
02:10:19.780 commentators responded or
02:10:21.180 the you know the people on
02:10:22.060 X um that that these are
02:10:25.580 actually like it's a known
02:10:26.620 group of women that they're 1.00
02:10:27.720 amazing that they actually
02:10:29.080 do look for people who have
02:10:30.740 disappeared in Mexico
02:10:32.000 including their their loved
02:10:33.600 ones they do research and
02:10:35.420 they dig until they find
02:10:36.760 bodies or what's left of
02:10:39.040 them so this actually is a
02:10:40.280 thing but I'm gonna guess
02:10:42.200 law enforcement's not too
02:10:43.280 keen on them just showing up
02:10:44.400 at the Nancy Guthrie
02:10:45.220 property no not at all I
02:10:48.340 mean starting today that's a
02:10:49.700 huge problem and imagine
02:10:51.260 like is the guy gonna abduct
02:10:53.600 Nancy from the home and
02:10:54.920 then you know spend the time
02:10:56.380 to bury him right bury her
02:10:58.380 right on the property and
02:10:59.400 that doesn't make sense but
02:11:00.840 when things are this
02:11:02.220 sensational you know it can
02:11:04.200 come from the goodness of
02:11:05.000 your heart you feel like you
02:11:05.800 I really want to help which
02:11:07.140 is one of the reason that
02:11:08.080 there's so many tips from
02:11:09.280 people who have no
02:11:10.100 knowledge but then you get a
02:11:12.000 group who decides they're
02:11:12.720 going to go dig in their 0.97
02:11:13.540 property and that that can
02:11:15.320 cause you can imagine how
02:11:16.740 many problems that can cause for
02:11:17.880 the investigation well all
02:11:20.700 along we've been wondering if
02:11:21.860 the reason the sheriff called
02:11:24.200 off the search and rescue
02:11:25.340 literally on day two I mean
02:11:27.980 she went missing at 2 30 in
02:11:30.400 the morning on Saturday into
02:11:31.640 Sunday and by Monday late
02:11:34.080 afternoon he called off the
02:11:35.220 search and rescue is because
02:11:38.360 he knew at some level she had
02:11:40.080 died that this was not a
02:11:41.600 search and rescue that this was
02:11:43.300 a murder investigation and
02:11:45.000 therefore not an urgent hurry
02:11:48.860 a priority important to solve
02:11:51.640 but not an urgent panicked
02:11:53.220 hurry the way you'd have if you
02:11:55.500 really believed there was a
02:11:56.600 missing person and you could get
02:11:57.640 them because Callahan Walsh of
02:11:59.680 the missing four exploited
02:12:01.180 children will tell you if you
02:12:02.720 don't find a stolen person within
02:12:05.340 the first day they're dead I mean
02:12:07.800 he'll say it a lot nicer than
02:12:09.460 that but you have to find them
02:12:11.240 right away or forget it and
02:12:13.260 that dovetails with something
02:12:15.900 Ashley just added to her 1.00
02:12:17.060 reporting over the weekend about
02:12:19.280 the DNA that was inside the
02:12:21.200 house Sheriff Nanos won't tell
02:12:23.260 us but she got some details I
02:12:26.000 don't know if this is the
02:12:26.640 entirety of the DNA but she did 0.90
02:12:29.380 get some more details on what
02:12:30.980 was found inside of that house
02:12:32.740 here it is in SOT 54
02:12:34.800 today another law enforcement
02:12:38.280 source familiar with the
02:12:39.260 investigation has said that the
02:12:42.480 pattern of that blood inside the
02:12:44.880 house matches the pattern
02:12:46.880 outside the house outside Nancy's
02:12:49.580 front doors those pattern
02:12:50.680 droplets as many experts have
02:12:53.720 you know describe it are as
02:12:55.620 vertical there they're there they
02:12:57.620 fall straight up and down 90
02:12:59.540 degrees and there's no smears
02:13:03.080 there's no stepping in it there's
02:13:04.260 no struggle there's no signs of
02:13:05.740 struggle on that front doorstep
02:13:07.160 my source tells me it is exactly
02:13:09.120 the same inside the house that
02:13:10.960 there's no sign of struggle in
02:13:12.200 that blood it's not smeared there's
02:13:13.560 no steps they are those straight
02:13:15.820 up and down drop pattern blood I
02:13:18.360 asked where in the house and I did
02:13:21.260 not get that answer I can't tell you
02:13:23.240 if it was in the bedroom if it was
02:13:24.660 in the front entrance
02:13:25.340 so that's a pretty good clue as to
02:13:29.980 what went down that night
02:13:31.100 potentially well yeah I think so I
02:13:32.940 mean to cover your first point
02:13:34.440 Megan which was about the search
02:13:35.640 and rescue and the sheriff calling
02:13:37.680 it off very quickly I am more
02:13:40.720 inclined to although statistically
02:13:42.700 yes the chances of recovering
02:13:44.320 someone within a designated period
02:13:46.420 of time it diminishes beyond that
02:13:48.600 time but until such time as unless
02:13:50.860 he had specific evidence to
02:13:52.480 support the reasoning for calling
02:13:54.560 off that search and rescue I think
02:13:55.920 the search and rescue should
02:13:56.820 continue whether it be using drones
02:13:59.380 whether it be using aerial
02:14:00.820 capabilities whether it be
02:14:02.340 soliciting the neighbors all sorts
02:14:04.320 of things this can go on for an
02:14:05.880 awfully long time and determining
02:14:07.520 also what Nancy's typical pattern of 1.00
02:14:10.300 life was you know what was her
02:14:11.620 routine where did she go was there a
02:14:13.940 local coffee shop that she would
02:14:15.180 regularly frequent until such time as
02:14:17.340 all those inquiries had been
02:14:18.520 exhausted I don't think you can call
02:14:20.340 off a search and rescue and I've had
02:14:21.680 individuals where communications
02:14:23.380 with with kidnappers has broken down
02:14:26.480 and you'll you'll actually send out a
02:14:28.960 missing persons initiative so again
02:14:31.420 it falls again into this bundle of
02:14:33.980 errors that the sheriff seems to be
02:14:35.580 calling whether it be opening up the
02:14:37.360 crime scene enabling you know treasure
02:14:39.980 hunters to come and start digging
02:14:41.400 around I agree with Eric entirely on
02:14:43.400 the point of you know if if she was
02:14:45.820 going to be incapacitated and certainly
02:14:48.160 from the drops of blood it would
02:14:49.560 appear and I think I can give the
02:14:50.700 credit to Eric on this because we
02:14:52.120 discussed this during the break that
02:14:54.000 she was probably being carried over the
02:14:56.440 individuals the perpetrator's shoulder
02:14:58.100 which is hence why the drops fell as
02:15:00.640 they did through the property and then
02:15:02.420 out and I'm sure Eric will probably be
02:15:04.000 able to give you a little bit more on
02:15:05.040 that he's probably more of a blood
02:15:06.280 expert than me but certainly it just
02:15:09.200 seems a catalogue of errors as to the
02:15:12.760 how the whole site has been managed the
02:15:15.500 process has been managed and and it
02:15:17.660 smacks horribly of a pettiness that's
02:15:21.140 the sheriff has towards the the bureau
02:15:23.640 and and his unwillingness well on that
02:15:27.460 front on that front this is speculative
02:15:30.500 on my part but my understanding is if
02:15:33.680 this is officially a kidnapping from day
02:15:35.580 one the FBI does have jurisdiction like
02:15:37.960 that they the FBI could have swooped in
02:15:39.960 and said we'll take it if it's just an
02:15:43.460 abduction if it's a murder then it's a
02:15:45.480 local crime and it's the sheriff's so I
02:15:48.040 could have that wrong but I did hear that
02:15:49.640 from a legal expert I trust over the
02:15:52.040 weekend and that could pretend we know
02:15:55.720 this sheriff he denies it but we know
02:15:57.400 from his earlier statements he can't
02:15:58.720 stay on the FBI he has a bad history
02:16:00.840 with them he does not like them they've
02:16:03.240 investigated his department and it's
02:16:05.860 possible he was like it's an abduction
02:16:07.780 it's not an it's not a kidnapping there's
02:16:10.360 no reason for the FBI and then eventually 0.98
02:16:12.180 like 72 hours in he realized oh shit I'm 0.94
02:16:14.920 in over my head I don't know it's just a 0.99
02:16:16.720 possibility but that the blood pattern
02:16:20.740 inside the house matching the blood
02:16:23.140 pattern outside the house that we've
02:16:24.960 seen Eric is interesting that with the
02:16:28.300 new detail that she was taken from her
02:16:30.240 bed is starting to give us a visual in
02:16:33.240 how they got her out so expand on your
02:16:35.440 statement to will well you know what we
02:16:37.420 were talking about earlier is it seems
02:16:39.280 like if it's a nine degrees so you have a
02:16:41.060 straight line of pattern of blood droplets
02:16:42.920 moving along now she could have been 0.71
02:16:45.240 carried she could have been dragged and
02:16:47.160 bleeding you know there are a couple
02:16:48.560 reasons she could be bleeding there
02:16:49.920 could have been brought in force trauma
02:16:51.280 and then she's pulled out she could have
02:16:53.360 been actually killed in the home and it's
02:16:55.640 and it's not a reduction of the person
02:16:57.340 but taking away of the body or you know
02:17:00.680 something could happen in the home an
02:17:02.460 altercation and they decided we need we
02:17:04.420 need to get her out we need to go and as
02:17:07.540 she's being pulled along she's bleeding
02:17:08.980 when you're 84 years old if you're grabbed
02:17:11.760 roughly that skin can tear a lot easier
02:17:14.460 than when you're much younger and so that
02:17:17.400 could have caused it but either way it
02:17:19.640 looks to me that she was pulled out it or
02:17:23.340 carried she she dropped blood in a certain 0.99
02:17:26.380 pattern that matches interior of the house
02:17:28.740 the porch and of course along the driveway
02:17:31.400 and then she's thrown in a car and taken
02:17:33.420 away and we we don't know what happened to
02:17:36.640 her since then well and the other thing we
02:17:39.940 don't know is how much blood is inside
02:17:42.860 which is why you know I've wondered all
02:17:45.220 along if this sheriff is leaning toward
02:17:47.760 murder as opposed to abduction and he's got
02:17:52.140 to keep abduction open because she's no 0.93
02:17:56.060 longer there James but if there's a lot of
02:18:00.080 blood inside that house it's possible the
02:18:02.980 sheriff all along has been and don't forget
02:18:04.540 he called in homicide detectives immediately
02:18:06.620 it's possible from the get-go he's been
02:18:09.120 thinking this is a homicide yeah and
02:18:11.200 you're right and he also might have told
02:18:13.680 her you know or told Savannah she was
02:18:15.500 taken from her bed because that's where
02:18:17.280 the you know a large deposit of the blood
02:18:19.240 was that would make complete sense if the
02:18:21.580 video we're now seeing but why take the
02:18:24.540 body this case just the more you look at
02:18:27.200 it the less and less it makes any sense
02:18:29.420 you know why take her body if if she died 0.99
02:18:33.440 you know in the bed or right there there
02:18:35.120 was a struggle she fought James yeah you
02:18:37.580 know and then she's got the perpetrators 0.53
02:18:39.040 DNA under her fingertips yeah it's possible
02:18:41.840 again there had been a reason I try not
02:18:44.120 too much to get in the head of these
02:18:45.580 people because you know you drive yourself
02:18:47.140 crazy but it's just bizarre and then I
02:18:50.480 think unless Eric saw it somewhere I have
02:18:53.160 not seen a lot of blood leaving the porch
02:18:55.780 going down that little step up you know
02:18:58.540 the steps with the wrought iron where
02:19:00.320 that blue t-shirt was left I I've only
02:19:02.740 seen blood yeah like I don't see any here's
02:19:05.240 the Fox News video right and it does show
02:19:07.400 some blood on that this little path that
02:19:10.540 we're looking at right now leading into the
02:19:13.740 the red bricks so the blood does continue
02:19:16.120 that was news that we didn't know courtesy
02:19:18.640 of Fox yeah it's after they released that
02:19:22.380 video of the intruder here's you can see see a
02:19:24.600 little see blood okay drops of blood this
02:19:27.620 is courtesy of Fox and interesting that
02:19:29.740 he didn't step in it interesting it is
02:19:31.780 very dark we know how dark it is there so
02:19:34.160 how do we you know from an evidentiary
02:19:36.400 standpoint how do we how do we get get
02:19:38.720 there how was he able to carry her or
02:19:41.360 move her and and that thing's falling at a 0.99
02:19:44.060 90 without you know any real movement
02:19:46.660 which you would expect carrying someone
02:19:47.960 out and then not step in it it two in the
02:19:50.600 morning with it's so dark there maybe
02:19:52.440 he's using that mouth light that he had
02:19:54.400 but it's odd to me well Eric's theory of
02:19:57.300 her possibly being over his shoulder like
02:19:59.880 bleeding behind him like as he walked
02:20:03.140 forward yeah yeah that would explain yeah I
02:20:05.960 like that a lot and then what to the car
02:20:08.200 and then we go
02:20:09.000 um but but I mean you guys could speak to
02:20:13.440 this more easily than I I think I could
02:20:15.480 speculate to it but hair I think she was um 0.98
02:20:19.540 five foot five and 150 pounds um if she were 1.00
02:20:27.280 no longer living that would be extremely
02:20:30.560 heavy right to live yes deadweight like a
02:20:34.020 deadweight of 150 pounds weighs even more
02:20:36.880 it feels like it weighs even more right I
02:20:38.620 mean Eric you're but we're also we're
02:20:40.060 also assuming that there's only one
02:20:41.500 person that there could be multiple
02:20:43.140 people and I suspect there there would
02:20:45.060 have been multiple people if they're
02:20:47.060 carrying her out right um you know that's
02:20:50.040 very difficult for an or it could be one
02:20:51.640 person who kind of uh restraints her you
02:20:54.840 know you had a lot in that backpack you
02:20:56.540 know you so he could have had restraint she
02:20:57.920 could have gagged her um she could have 1.00
02:20:59.340 been bleeding he walked her out um and and
02:21:02.840 forced her into a car so we just don't
02:21:04.780 know it's carrying I bet you there's more
02:21:07.300 than one person but I would expect there
02:21:09.320 might be
02:21:09.620 yeah we have zero reason to disbelieve that
02:21:14.980 right zero reason to disbelieve we did we
02:21:17.260 haven't seen it like an empty car sitting
02:21:19.440 there waiting we didn't see a the perp come
02:21:21.860 up and turn off the ignition with no one
02:21:23.980 else in it like we there absolutely could
02:21:26.200 have been another person there well you
02:21:27.320 were going to say something yeah I was
02:21:28.900 just going to say I mean again good going
02:21:30.980 by Eric's um theory there and I certainly
02:21:33.400 would agree with James as well the points
02:21:35.020 he's made uh is that there's been no
02:21:37.440 flourish there's to be no results of
02:21:39.180 neighbors cameras um and I'd be interested
02:21:42.120 to know that any of the budding influences
02:21:44.380 or or uh journalists that are actually on
02:21:47.020 the ground there whether they've actually
02:21:48.240 done a sight and scene survey of the the
02:21:51.260 nearest residences to see if anybody does
02:21:53.640 actually have cameras because if there was
02:21:55.800 more than one person if there was a vehicle
02:21:58.180 that they could potentially trace you know
02:21:59.920 that sort of information is really
02:22:01.320 important but I don't think we've heard a
02:22:02.640 great deal from the sheriff in that
02:22:03.840 regard well I have a question for you as
02:22:06.660 our kidnapping expert um if they took I
02:22:12.260 agree with James I think we all agree
02:22:13.500 with James why take the body like if this
02:22:15.460 was a murder why take the body now it's
02:22:17.680 possible like I said there was DNA there
02:22:19.520 was a struggle there was something they
02:22:20.660 thought could identify them that they
02:22:22.800 might have left behind on her because
02:22:25.160 clearly this guy while he didn't seem to
02:22:27.600 do very well with that nest camera he did
02:22:30.800 a very good job of masking his identity
02:22:32.980 and his DNA that now here we are 24 days
02:22:36.320 in and we have no clue who he is so this
02:22:38.780 guy watched a lot of dateline or has
02:22:41.040 committed a lot of crime um so okay but if
02:22:45.600 it was a planned kidnapping taking the body
02:22:47.980 makes all the sense in the world so he
02:22:51.740 heard her he took her out he intended to
02:22:54.540 ask for money and then maybe she died she's 0.96
02:22:57.920 84 she doesn't have the heart medication
02:22:59.380 this whole thing was like extremely
02:23:00.940 traumatic yeah wouldn't you're wouldn't
02:23:04.580 you have thought if you're a guy who's
02:23:06.500 gone to all that effort to steal Nancy
02:23:09.520 Nancy Guthrie and then she dies you send
02:23:13.400 in a lock of hair you whatever you send a
02:23:18.040 very detailed description of what she was
02:23:20.340 wearing when you took her the actual
02:23:23.020 pajamas you know like we all know like if
02:23:26.020 you spend enough time with your 84 year
02:23:27.280 old mother you know what she wears you 0.97
02:23:28.400 know what she wears to bed you know it's
02:23:30.040 like if somebody were to describe to me my
02:23:31.840 mom's choice of nightgowns I would know
02:23:34.240 them all so like why under this theory would
02:23:38.200 he just give up why would he just disappear
02:23:40.420 well I mean to make a difference Megan
02:23:44.140 between you know what we do in the private
02:23:46.640 sector to what the chaps do obviously as as
02:23:49.640 federal you know bureau of investigation
02:23:52.100 that I was talking about this with James
02:23:54.880 in the break the product that the advantage
02:23:56.780 that we have in the private sector is that
02:23:59.440 we are not interested in apprehending the
02:24:02.100 kidnappers we simply want the hostage back
02:24:04.500 so we're not obligated we're not driven to
02:24:08.840 finding out the kidnappers identities and
02:24:11.400 trying to get them apprehended we just want
02:24:13.340 the hostage back and we communicate that from
02:24:14.980 the outset now obviously as soon as the bureau
02:24:17.720 got involved as soon as the sheriff was
02:24:19.300 involved the problem that these guys had or
02:24:22.180 this individual had before even submitting
02:24:25.300 and I've had certainly weeks go past before
02:24:28.260 even a ransom demand can be delivered and
02:24:31.500 to cover excuse me the point that you made
02:24:33.400 earlier which was about there only being
02:24:35.140 $50,000 whether it be $50,000 or a million
02:24:38.940 dollars that was being offered for the safe
02:24:41.640 return or the identification of of Nancy's
02:24:44.600 whereabouts you're still going to get chances
02:24:47.080 that come out of the woodwork and it's only
02:24:48.840 through that proof of life that you can narrow it
02:24:50.840 down to who it might be so my concern is and I
02:24:54.360 think this is the case because it's understanding
02:24:56.600 the the motivation behind that abduction why would
02:25:00.120 that abduction be taking place and what would be the
02:25:03.320 purpose for it other than to try and shake down
02:25:06.600 savannah in some shape or form for some financial
02:25:10.040 benefit and we look at Nancy's profile pretty low 0.99
02:25:12.600 profile in the area the sister and her husband low
02:25:15.640 profile savannah well-known face on the tv so you
02:25:19.880 know she was a a prime candidate for this kind of
02:25:23.160 extortion but because this garnished so much publicity
02:25:27.080 so quickly and I think because of our publicity hungry
02:25:30.120 sheriff especially giving interviews left right and
02:25:32.920 sent her I think if she was indeed taken for ransom
02:25:37.720 and then there's every good chance that the kidnapper or
02:25:40.920 kidnappers have panicked and and that unfortunately would
02:25:44.600 probably bring about the demise of Nancy because what else
02:25:47.400 are they going to do okay so now a new a new window has
02:25:55.000 opened because in this scenario Nancy's passed you can't
02:26:00.520 send proof of life anymore at this point I don't even know if
02:26:04.360 you could send hair I'm not even sure if hair would register as
02:26:07.560 coming from a deceased person you know but at this point they'd
02:26:10.680 have to get rid of Nancy remains I mean
02:26:13.240 well the hair would have her dna so that would that'd be great if
02:26:16.280 they had it but they probably don't
02:26:18.200 I know but can it tell you whether the person is dead or
02:26:20.120 right of course yes like if they pull it out from the root
02:26:22.920 I'm just gonna I don't know I mean I I've done some negotiations for the
02:26:27.960 return where it's been an unprofessional amateur group where
02:26:31.960 the hostage has died you know through their mishandling of
02:26:35.400 of the hostage but the family still wants obviously their relative back
02:26:40.520 now again this comes the difference between obviously law enforcement and
02:26:44.840 the private sector the private sector we can still through various
02:26:49.000 evidences determine obviously that they do have
02:26:51.480 um the person in question the hostage um for again the risk to negotiate even for
02:26:57.480 the return of someone who's deceased with a law enforcement agency increases
02:27:02.520 the chances of their apprehension and that that's unfortunately the big hurdle
02:27:06.760 that this could be faced right now
02:27:08.360 what are you suggesting well might be smart for savannah right now like right now to
02:27:13.160 bring in someone like you and say it's too late you don't have to do the fbi
02:27:16.760 sadly it's too late and law enforcement will now have an obligation under law to
02:27:22.120 obviously continue their investigation so the likes of ourselves would be you know
02:27:27.000 just not a relevant element well what do you guys think jim james and
02:27:32.440 eric about the possibility now this window opens up you've you've stolen this
02:27:37.560 woman you can't ask for ransom because she's died this is an imaginary scenario we're
02:27:41.720 just speculating here but then savannah guthrie drops a million dollar a reward out there 1.00
02:27:48.680 and you you do know the answers to get you the money so what are the odds this guy now
02:27:58.600 through through an intermediary or through his own somehow says i know where she is if we're right
02:28:05.480 he's not going to give himself up yeah if we're putting it together and we're we're looking at it as
02:28:09.240 abduction abduction for money or kidnapping gone bad and nancy dies and now they have her and
02:28:14.200 they've been sitting on her uh thinking what are we going to do we can't really show a sign of life
02:28:20.360 without showing that um that she's passed and now there's a one million dollar reward
02:28:26.120 you could see someone saying hey i know where the body is right and um and i want to stay anonymous
02:28:33.560 and you need to give me that gets you the reward it gets you the reward because savannah said um
02:28:38.440 she finished it by saying a hundred thousand dollar or sorry a million dollar reward um you
02:28:44.520 can call 1-800 tip line you can be anonymous uh i'm trying to find the line but she said basically
02:28:51.160 consistent with fbi practices um you're oh this is on her instagram her caption reads someone knows how
02:28:57.000 to find our mom and bring her home call 1-800 call fbi you can remain anonymous or find a way to reach out to
02:29:01.560 me note family reward of up to 1 million will be paid only for recovery of nancy guthrie consistent
02:29:07.880 with fbi criteria for payment of its reward in this case the hundred thousand and we actually looked
02:29:12.680 up that criteria the fbi said reward is up to one hundred thousand dollars for info leading to the
02:29:19.000 location of nancy guthrie and or the arrest and conviction of anyone involved in her disappearance
02:29:26.280 so you can get the dough if you can just point them to the location of nancy guthrie keep going eric
02:29:30.760 right and well this the fear there would be of course that do i trust it right am i more worried
02:29:36.440 about my personal safety and security or the avarice of getting this reward because if you if you're that
02:29:43.560 savvy to go into a home abduct a person and not leave any of your dna behind then you gotta take the
02:29:49.960 next step at least to do some research to realize that there are methods that the fbi can use to track
02:29:55.160 back things and you have to make a communication in order to do this um uh so i mean i don't want
02:30:00.760 to say too much because maybe they're listening to the show and uh and the techniques that the fbi can
02:30:05.400 use um but you're you're banking here on the fact that they really want to make something off of this
02:30:10.600 they put in a lot of time and effort into it and criminals want to get paid they don't make money
02:30:15.960 unless they win um so it is possible that someone could come forward and say i know where the body is
02:30:21.400 and if you pay me i'll tell you and now you're getting up to real numbers you know don't forget
02:30:27.720 that backpack which they've determined came from walmart cost eleven dollars now that doesn't mean
02:30:32.920 this guy is has fallen on hard times lots of us would buy an eleven dollar backpack but the odds are
02:30:39.880 if you're on somebody's doorstep in the middle of the night wearing a ski mask trying to abduct an old
02:30:43.800 lady you're not rolling in dough and so you know you're talking a seven-figure reward i just want to i want to 0.99
02:30:50.840 get james to weigh in on this and i also want to talk about what now that so many of these things
02:30:54.840 have gone cold we'll keep you guys over if you don't mind stand by hey everyone it's me megan
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02:31:32.840 okay and we're back so james your your thoughts on on all this on on where things stand now well
02:31:39.720 two things one it would be if we're going with that they did this at the behest of someone i'm
02:31:46.920 not going to say the son-in-law but it you know anybody you know had a reason to do this they
02:31:51.160 hired somebody to do it and then god forbid you know she died during the thing and they would call
02:31:57.080 back to the person saying hey we screwed this up she's dead and then more than likely the person
02:32:01.400 that hired him would say well i don't want to hear anything from you get rid of the body okay so the car and
02:32:05.560 the body that's your next step so where's the car does the sheriff have any leads on any burned out
02:32:11.560 cars where is the car you're not going to drive around with her dna in your car or have they taken 0.99
02:32:16.440 this car across the border to mexico and you know it's very telling that there's a group of ladies you 1.00
02:32:22.760 know and i'm aware of that group and that most of them are from mexico it happens so frequently that
02:32:27.400 they're looking for bodies that there there's a whole group that does this so that that's a problem
02:32:31.640 um so that's the first lead is do we have the car and then if it's not uh you know someone paid them
02:32:38.120 to do this and they just happen to go into this home to rob her and then all of a sudden they took
02:32:43.400 the body as you were saying because either their dna is on her or you know they think they can get
02:32:48.600 money from her somehow and then she dies same problem we got to do something with this body and
02:32:53.720 i don't think they're going to hold on to the body to try to get money out of it i think they're
02:32:57.160 running from this thing as fast as they possibly can get rid of the body get rid of the car all
02:33:01.720 that and then lastly i just want to say you i think you said something about you know that the guy was
02:33:07.880 smart enough to not get caught well how well was that scene process maybe maybe we missed something
02:33:13.800 maybe it's possible that the you know the people that worked that crime scene they've missed
02:33:18.200 something and and you know obviously there's a high degree of luck here in this situation and
02:33:23.720 and maybe he just got lucky but to me there's a lot of evidence that we still need and you know
02:33:30.040 i can't believe it's not there how how do you even go back and start finding that you know if you were
02:33:38.120 called in now james they said we need you you know suit back up come over here and start anew
02:33:44.920 how would you do it well you got to go back to the motive and who would have a motive to do this to
02:33:49.160 this lady you know is there a financial benefit for someone and that's where you start and you 0.98
02:33:54.120 gotta i mean why did this happen and usually it's motive because of money or revenge and that's where
02:33:59.560 you start and then everyone gets looked at again and really really in a very very difficult manner
02:34:06.280 it does seem impossible that this guy maybe more than one but this guy has stumped 400 law enforcement
02:34:14.920 trained seasoned in many cases law enforcement officers from the feds and the sheriff's department
02:34:20.600 it's shocking to me it's shocking that we're here we are 24 days later i i every weekend i kept feeling
02:34:26.280 like they were going to make an arrest um because there is so much evidence that i'm i'm seeing and
02:34:31.720 i don't see all i'm seeing is what i'm watching on television or on you know the internets and behind
02:34:36.440 the scenes they they have a lot more evidence so i just am shocked that here we are 24 days later and
02:34:42.920 we're nowhere right i feel like right now we're praying for a miracle will because yeah i mean the
02:34:50.040 list of i mentioned it so it's uh gun shops nothing video pics of the perp nothing dna inside the house
02:34:57.080 nothing dna on the gloves nothing uh raids nothing um nothing like absolutely nothing uh brian engine was
02:35:04.840 saying now they're going to hotels um trying to ask hotels if they have seen these faces or recognize
02:35:12.680 these names i don't know whether that's a that's turning into anything let's listen to it's not 59
02:35:18.600 and i reported that they were going to um gun stores in tucson with a list of 40 names
02:35:25.080 and 40 photos and there's new reporting today that they're doing the same thing at some hotels
02:35:31.240 what does that tell you i mean on day 20 should that make us think that they haven't really
02:35:36.520 narrowed it down to a couple of people well what i can tell simply by the nature of the case and and
02:35:43.960 what's been revealed to the public at least that doubtful they have contact with the kidnappers or
02:35:51.160 with the abductors uh it would be very unusual to to be so out front in the media and requesting public
02:36:00.040 assistance when you have some level of connection with the perpetrators so that tells me that they're
02:36:06.600 still struggling for those for indicators and clues that's quite interesting and do you guys agree with
02:36:13.640 that yeah totally i mean i agree with james and i agree with eric i mean there have been so many
02:36:19.880 eliminations of suspects um uh the denials or the end of potential evidences or potential clues i mean
02:36:28.520 it's just almost embarrassing because it doesn't give a great deal of hope that there's actually
02:36:34.920 anything positive or productive that's actually being carried out uh and even eliminating you know
02:36:40.440 more useful data like for example the local neighbors cameras uh traffic cameras that may
02:36:46.440 be in operating cellular data which may triangulate uh or whitelist residents phones but also other
02:36:53.160 individuals phones to determine particular leads that may be followed up on the imeis you know that
02:36:58.440 it just seems ridiculous that we're at day 24 and there's no positive um potential direction that we're
02:37:06.200 seeing here but eric this is this is your wheelhouse i think almost exactly because what that was a former
02:37:14.040 fbi agent retired fbi agent who worked in mexico for the feds our feds and um he he's saying what
02:37:20.840 what this tells me is that the authorities do not have contact with the kidnappers because they would
02:37:24.520 not be so flailing like gun shops hotels and like has anybody seen any of these people when you're in 0.51
02:37:30.920 an active negotiation with the people but here's why i want to ask you about it because harvey levin of
02:37:35.880 tmz has been saying all along that the feds rightly or wrongly took those first two letters
02:37:42.680 to harvey and then to and the two local stations and then just to the one local station very seriously
02:37:49.880 and that whatever was in those letters harvey intimates and i i'm sorry you do have to take
02:37:55.080 it with a grain of salt because harvey is seems to be very much in enjoying being at the center of a
02:38:00.760 piece of this case and he's been sensationalist in the way he has promoted it so it's possible
02:38:06.760 he's very into the ransom notes i'm not trying to insult the man i'm just saying we have to factor
02:38:10.680 this in he may be trying he may be in love with the alleged ransom letters because that's where he
02:38:15.640 came in all right so discount it however you wish but he says the feds took those two letters
02:38:22.840 extremely seriously and even after the deadline passed for the ransom to be paid continue to take
02:38:29.880 them very very seriously as like a possible lead into the abductor but you're the cyber guy so like
02:38:38.200 wouldn't if they really thought those bitcoin accounts or the one that was in the six million
02:38:43.240 dollar demand letter and then the follow-up letter was going to take them to nancy
02:38:48.040 they they'd know by now wouldn't they we'd have the guy well yeah so you never want to discount any
02:38:53.560 lead and it was a letter that was sent in and it suggests that there was some information in
02:38:58.040 there that at least made them raise an eyebrow and think that maybe they have some inside side
02:39:02.360 information uh now i will say really quickly i i think that everyone in law enforcement working the
02:39:08.280 case is probably pretty annoyed with tmz about dropping little hints of information that are just
02:39:13.400 not helpful at all now as for bitcoin yeah they could have put that amount of money that was asked
02:39:19.880 for and in in the bitcoin transaction they could have sent the keys to that amount of bitcoin to
02:39:26.440 the wallet that was provided which was verified as a real wallet in the first in those different
02:39:33.240 ransom notes now we don't know whether it's the same wallet we don't know if there's different
02:39:36.680 wallets if these are different individuals or the same and that's a problem for us well we were told
02:39:41.240 that the the account that was mentioned in letter number one asking for four million if by this
02:39:45.640 thursday or six if you wait till monday was the same bitcoin account referenced in this second letter
02:39:51.480 that came that didn't have proof of life that led to the first really forlorn video from the
02:39:57.960 guthrie family like right we understand so what could you do you could put some money in it from you
02:40:03.320 you could put some money in it and the way that bitcoin works is it's on open public ledger
02:40:07.880 so the transactions are all full and open in something called the blockchain and so what the fbi could have
02:40:14.040 done is sent the keys into that wallet for a million bitcoin a million dollars worth of bitcoin
02:40:21.240 or you know however many bitcoin and then watched the transactions to see whether the owners of that
02:40:28.520 wallet started to move the keys to other wallets that they own see the trick with bitcoin is we know
02:40:34.440 exactly where every cryptocurrency transaction is going to move it's on a public ledger but until the
02:40:42.360 individual moves that cryptocurrency to a wallet that they control that is attached to some sort
02:40:48.840 of a regulated entity like a bank or coinbase which is the most popular uh then you you can't actually
02:40:55.320 determine who is moving the money and what criminals do if they're very savvy let's say that these
02:41:00.360 kidnappers were working with some very good dark web cyber criminals they can move it through what's
02:41:05.240 called a mixer and the mixers take uh that transaction and move it into a wallet that has massive amounts
02:41:11.560 of keys that for bitcoin in and out and in and out and that makes it a lot harder for the fbi to track
02:41:17.400 it they've been very successful in the past um but either it was a negotiation with the family the
02:41:22.520 family didn't feel comfortable putting that money in or the fbi said it's not worth it we don't know
02:41:27.400 enough about this individual or we can't really confirm that this person knows the sufficient details to
02:41:34.040 take that risk so you know it's a crapshoot how sophisticated do you have to be to know
02:41:39.320 somebody who can give you access to a mixer very you have to be pretty sophisticated you have to be
02:41:45.080 at like foreign intelligence operative level sophistication in order to move those transactions
02:41:51.240 in a way that the fbi can't eventually follow um you know the top tier dark web cyber criminals
02:41:57.160 even fail at it um and you have to get it right every single time i want to know those guys yeah i know
02:42:03.880 those guys but they um but you yeah you they have to get it right every single time you can't make a
02:42:10.120 mistake or the fbi they're very good cyber investigators and uh they will just follow you
02:42:15.240 until you move it to a to a wallet where you try to get the funds because eventually they don't want a
02:42:19.800 bunch of bitcoin that they can't spend you can't buy anything with it they need to turn it into cold
02:42:24.920 hard cash that they can use and uh what does that tell you what does that tell you if anything about
02:42:30.920 the people who wrote those first two letters well look i i suspect that the letters are people who
02:42:37.640 are opportunists that saw this case and were able to at least provide enough information that made
02:42:44.360 the fbi law enforcement believe that it's possible this could be the kidnappers and then there had to be
02:42:50.520 a head scratcher when they never received any open communication so if you're savvy enough
02:42:56.440 to to to find a way to retrieve this money the ransom in bitcoin and then move it through the
02:43:03.320 dark web in order to evade law enforcement you're savvy enough to use different dark web message boards
02:43:09.080 using the tor network or other networks that can at least allow you to be uh somewhat anonymous and and
02:43:15.000 and they're they're pretty good uh to have a cute open communication but we do it all the time with
02:43:20.120 cyber what do you mean with the family yeah with the family with law enforcement we do it all the time
02:43:24.520 with cyber criminals so think of a different case where a a company is locked to all their data is
02:43:29.640 locked by a ransomware attack you know that ransom note that's sent on their servers usually has a
02:43:34.760 link to a dark web message board that keeps the attacker completely anonymous but you can collab you
02:43:40.760 can go back and forth literally typing you know your chat in the message board and they they can give
02:43:45.880 you information if they were that savvy that cyber savvy they could have set that up and the fact that
02:43:52.280 they didn't suggest to me that these uh these ransom notes are are not actually uh ransom notes from
02:43:59.240 kidnappers at all they're opportunists who uh decided they were going to try to cash in on this terrible
02:44:05.880 misfortune well you look like you absolutely i couldn't agree more with eric and certainly if they were
02:44:13.320 cyber capable and they did have the ability to use like eric mentioned tor networks or other means of
02:44:19.800 message boards through the dark web that wouldn't heed them in then presenting proof of life and the
02:44:25.720 proof of life could be communicated via those means again protecting their identity but verifying that
02:44:32.680 they are indeed the individuals that have a credible ransom demand so ultimately yes i mean as we always
02:44:40.280 guessed um these uh particular requests or demands that came in to harvey none of them had any
02:44:46.760 credibility until such time as they were going to provide proof of life of which neither of them
02:44:50.920 have hey megan that what were you gonna say that level of sophistication would not uh be in line with
02:44:58.280 using daisies to try to you know block the camera exactly so i i have a tough time with that one and
02:45:05.400 then the only i was just gonna say how discouraging it is to me that law enforcement is going to a hotel or a
02:45:11.160 gun store or you name it with a list of 40 names what is this casablanca and they're right riding up
02:45:17.160 the you know rounding up the usual suspects i've never gone with a list of 40 names like what that is
02:45:24.840 very discouraging to me yeah i know i i just like if you're so clearly this isn't i i agree it's it's not
02:45:35.400 it's it's almost certainly not the kidnapper who wrote those first two ransom notes or whatever
02:45:40.040 we're calling them but the thought of getting a million dollars has got to be tempting for this
02:45:44.840 guy like now we're talking real money and in the case of you know your common criminal life-changing
02:45:51.320 money so if you were advising savannah like how do you make it i i think i'd want to know how can i
02:46:03.720 assure this criminal i'm actually not that interested in catching him i actually genuinely
02:46:09.480 just want my mom back dead or alive and like i i want to make i i want to get him on the dark web i
02:46:17.480 want you know i know you feds you want to catch him but i just want my mom so like how do i telegraph
02:46:25.160 to him this is how you should contact me it's untraceable the feds can't get you you know what i
02:46:31.400 mean is there a way could you advise her in such a way that's what will's talking about yeah will
02:46:36.600 that's exactly what he's talking about you know people like will you know and he doesn't want the
02:46:42.280 fbi to know that but he could work for her and then behind the scenes be advising to do all those
02:46:48.120 things because from our standpoint but it's too late yeah from our standpoint we want to lock the guy
02:46:53.000 up if somebody comes up and says yeah i know where the body is well the next question we're going to
02:46:58.040 have is how the hell did you know that and you're we're looking at charging you we want someone 0.52
02:47:02.520 charged because we're looking at it from the law enforcement lens you know people like will you
02:47:06.920 know they try to i'm going to say they work outside the lines of law enforcement but they certainly
02:47:11.320 have a different you know interest which is let's get this body back and regardless of the justice
02:47:16.120 system so what you're saying is god forbid we have somebody in our lives kidnapped the first call we
02:47:21.880 make is to will not 9-1-1 that's what i would make yeah i mean it depends on the relative it
02:47:30.840 yeah of course i mean it really also depends on the jurisdiction and it depends on where it happens
02:47:35.480 so for example if it was in the united states uh for us it would be very difficult to operate outside
02:47:41.480 uh the boundaries of the law and uh and we wouldn't want to upset the likes of eric and james
02:47:46.840 it should be subsequently discovered the problem is is that savannah is a very well-known personality 0.99
02:47:53.160 she's a well-known individual and as eric mentioned much earlier on it was is a question of the opposite
02:47:58.520 because the operational security and the information security around this but if it was in another part
02:48:03.400 of the world where we wouldn't be able to trust i mean we the fbi probably some of the best kidnapped
02:48:09.160 negotiators there are out there and you know one would be able to work efficiently with them but if
02:48:14.360 you're in a part of the world where you don't trust law enforcement local law enforcement because
02:48:18.840 they may very well have some part to play in the kidnapping then you know again it's one of those
02:48:23.720 things which you ultimately you know may choose to do it outside and quietly and clandestinely
02:48:32.360 and now look you know the kidnappers are watching all of this too and they know that the fbi is very
02:48:39.240 involved and that it's very unlike it's unlikely that there's going to be an open way to communicate
02:48:44.760 where the kidnapper is going to be able to stay completely anonymous at this late date even if
02:48:50.760 they're if even if someone was set up if will or i set something up through a dark web network that we
02:48:57.080 created right just for this uh and with instructions for how you can get on here and and everybody can get
02:49:03.160 on here but no one will know who anyone is uh you know you're still going to think if you're the
02:49:07.160 kidnapper and you've been this cautious that it's a trap right and and once again you got a million
02:49:13.480 dollars not worth it to you yeah that calculation is that a million dollars is my greed overcome my
02:49:19.160 sense of personal security and it's 24 days out if you know you would think that we would have heard
02:49:25.880 something if they had her alive certainly and if she's not alive maybe some scheme to uh to try to get
02:49:32.760 money anyway at this point maybe kidnappers just or the abductor right not kidnapper has completely
02:49:38.280 given up yeah i would say they're a lost leader if you if you if i asked you if i were in this
02:49:44.200 position and i said will what's the number to shake something loose like what number you know pick your
02:49:51.480 sum but what's the number to to make somebody call um that's almost like the the length of a piece of
02:49:59.640 string is very very difficult to determine i think you know i agree with eric and james that i think
02:50:05.400 it's a lost leader for whoever has taken her if nancy if it was some sort of kidnapping for ransom 0.67
02:50:12.360 the issue is is that the risk is just way too great for them now the best thing that they could
02:50:17.000 do because there's still every good chance that the bureau is going to still try and chase them down
02:50:21.400 and find out who they are the foot it would be for them to leave nancy in a public area so she 1.00
02:50:27.480 could be discovered by a member of the general public um perhaps in an environment where there
02:50:32.360 is cctv coverage um but i would say that again they would want to evade detection and apprehension
02:50:38.840 but to to put her in a location where ultimately she could be found by a passerby by a member of the
02:50:45.320 general public and then at least giving the family some peace in terms of the returning of nancy but i think
02:50:52.840 any avenue that they try and pursue now uh is just gonna be too fraught with brisk you know but to go
02:50:59.160 back to the beginning you know like i said earlier there's no honor among thieves one million dollars
02:51:05.000 buys you a lot of grief in in between criminals so there could be someone who's on the periphery of
02:51:10.760 this had nothing to do with it just saw it knows about it is told to keep quiet who suddenly their their
02:51:17.160 lips loosen because a million dollars is on the line so there's the hope there i mean that is where
02:51:22.280 this can push somebody who had you know who is really far in the date line yeah it's the wife 0.70
02:51:29.720 of like a second tier accomplice yes in the date line it's like yeah the spouse of somebody who's
02:51:35.960 loyal to the guy but the spouse is not loyal to the guy and she's seeing a life-changing sum and they're
02:51:41.640 not primarily responsible so like maybe you have some responsibility but not the main responsibility
02:51:47.000 and the fbi would 100 cut you a deal yeah if you are a low-level perp attached to this as opposed
02:51:53.000 to the main guy people should know that too well another fascinating discussion you guys we'll do it
02:51:58.280 all over again when we get the next significant update appreciate talking to you and all your
02:52:02.680 expertise thank you thank you thank you megan yeah thank you wow oh my gosh i mean honestly we took a
02:52:10.440 day off and thought this case had really dried up and i think it has sadly i think it has dried up but
02:52:15.480 that that was a lot i mean that that's why savannah did the ransom note i mean she she did that message
02:52:20.520 because she knows it's drying up too she sees the media leaving i'm sure she's read the reports about
02:52:25.800 the cops drawing back in terms of the number of staff of course you know they have other crimes to
02:52:30.840 solve they have missing kids they have murderers you know they and and the guthries donated a
02:52:35.960 five hundred thousand dollars to the center for missing and exploited children too
02:52:39.800 so they've got other responsibilities there are missing children right now who don't get one
02:52:43.560 tenth of this coverage and attention and um things feel like they're starting to wither on the vine
02:52:49.800 so she's trying to keep the story in the news contrary to what the local lawmaker and some
02:52:55.000 other critics over at msnbc think is appropriate media coverage is a blessing for any family that has
02:53:02.040 a missing loved one we'll stay on it and we'll also stay on the state of the union and have that
02:53:06.840 fully covered for you tomorrow with the guys from rcp see you then thanks for listening to the megan
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