The Megyn Kelly Show - Leftists Melt Down Over Men's Hockey Team and Trump, and Bombshell New Guthrie Reporting, with Andrew Klavan, Geddes, Hamilton, and O'Neill

00:00:00.000 The 2026 Maverick with Ford Flex Bed Storage System.

00:00:03.860 For those that see more than a stack of lumber.

00:00:06.740 More than four empty walls.

00:00:09.800 More than just a blank page.

00:00:13.160 The Ford Maverick.

00:00:14.500 Made to fit, designed to flex.

00:00:17.120 Right now, get purchase financing from 4.99% APR

00:00:20.340 for up to 72 months on all 2026 Maverick models.

00:00:24.260 Visit your Toronto area Ford store or Ford.ca today.

00:00:30.000 Frozen lasagna, medium power, 15 minutes.

00:00:36.640 Sounds like Ojo time.

00:00:39.120 Let's play.

00:00:40.180 Feel the fun with Play Ojo,

00:00:41.460 the online casino with all the latest slots and live casino games.

00:00:43.860 What you win is yours to keep.

00:00:45.420 No wagering requirements, instant payouts, and no minimum withdrawals.

00:00:48.300 Hey, I just won!

00:00:49.600 Woohoo!

00:00:50.120 Feel the fun, Play Ojo.

00:00:52.440 Honey, forget about lasagna.

00:00:53.740 Let's celebrate.

00:00:54.560 19 plus Ontario only.

00:00:55.420 Please play responsibly.

00:00:56.160 Concerned about your gambling or that of someone close to you?

00:00:57.380 Call 1-866-531-2600 or visit connexontario.ca.

00:01:00.780 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show,

00:01:02.640 live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.440 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.240 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.600 We have major developments today in the Nancy Guthrie case.

00:01:18.340 A new Instagram message from Savannah this morning,

00:01:20.840 upping the reward to $1 million.

00:01:22.620 And new reporting about those Nest images.

00:01:26.340 And we'll tell you what we saw in the message from Savannah

00:01:30.960 that revealed new information about this case.

00:01:34.200 But first, President Trump's State of the Union is tonight,

00:01:37.680 technically his first of the second term.

00:01:40.100 We will have full coverage in AM Update

00:01:42.180 and on tomorrow's Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:44.640 The guys from Real Clear Politics will be here

00:01:46.760 to help us break down everything that happens.

00:01:48.440 My prediction, the Democrats will make fools of themselves

00:01:52.580 not standing for things that they should.

00:01:55.480 Trump will attack the Supreme Court justices who are there.

00:02:00.360 Some Democrats will pull some stupid stunt that we will mock.

00:02:06.140 And it will be a great moment

00:02:08.200 when they show the men's hockey players there.

00:02:11.200 Those are my predictions going in.

00:02:12.660 As for substance, Trump, of course,

00:02:14.640 will tell everybody how great everything is.

00:02:16.180 The question on my mind is, will he throw in a line of,

00:02:19.780 we know people are still hurting.

00:02:21.160 Like, we know it's not going fast enough.

00:02:23.220 Will there be any sort of acknowledgement

00:02:24.940 that the American people are still suffering

00:02:27.580 because his poll numbers, as we discussed in AM Update today,

00:02:31.460 are reflecting a deep dissatisfaction with the economy,

00:02:34.760 especially among independents.

00:02:37.000 And there's just no way around it.

00:02:38.540 So does he acknowledge it?

00:02:39.860 Or does he do the typical Trumpian,

00:02:42.860 it's all good.

00:02:44.920 And it's only getting better, right?

00:02:46.580 Like, it's very unlike him to sort of say,

00:02:49.280 I know you're still hurting.

00:02:50.480 So if I have to put money down on it,

00:02:51.980 I'm going to say he's not going to say that.

00:02:53.840 Okay.

00:02:54.140 So we will have full coverage again, as I said, tomorrow.

00:02:57.740 Right now, we're still waiting

00:02:58.820 for the full list of special guests.

00:03:00.760 Usually get that right before the event.

00:03:03.320 We know that the men's team is on their way to DC.

00:03:06.440 And it's like the controversy that's been developing

00:03:09.820 around them over the past 24 hours

00:03:13.000 is just absolutely disgusting.

00:03:16.260 I mean, we're going to talk about it, of course,

00:03:18.620 but I think we need to start this hour by saying,

00:03:22.220 remember that normal Americans are not feeling anything

00:03:27.860 like the soundbites we're going to play for you

00:03:30.100 on today's show.

00:03:31.040 The political left is crazy,

00:03:34.260 but they will not be able to change Americans' opinions

00:03:37.820 about these young men.

00:03:39.640 Try as they and their media enablers might.

00:03:43.340 I mean, people really have lost their minds.

00:03:45.660 Thankfully, golden goal scoring Jack Hughes

00:03:48.980 and his mom Ellen are out there

00:03:51.720 bringing some rational thoughts.

00:03:54.100 And joining me now with some of his own, Andrew Klavan.

00:03:57.420 He's host of The Andrew Klavan Show on The Daily Wire

00:03:59.600 and author of the book, After That, The Dark.

00:04:02.180 Ladies, listen up.

00:04:05.180 If you are exhausted, anxious, foggy,

00:04:07.060 or if your metabolism is out of whack

00:04:09.000 and doctors just brush you off and chalk it up to age,

00:04:12.300 you're not cray-cray.

00:04:13.760 You are being ignored.

00:04:15.820 Joy, J-O-I, was created by a woman

00:04:18.980 who lived this frustration firsthand during paramenopause

00:04:21.760 and decided women deserve better

00:04:23.580 than generic advice and symptom checkers.

00:04:26.560 Every Joy lab includes a real consultation

00:04:28.900 with a licensed clinician specializing in women's hormones.

00:04:33.380 Not an AI chatbot, an actual expert.

00:04:37.040 Joy offers hormone therapy, peptide therapy,

00:04:40.080 personalized supplements,

00:04:41.540 whatever your body actually needs.

00:04:43.640 This is such a great idea.

00:04:45.000 And for a limited time,

00:04:46.200 you can add a 60-day supply of their estrogen face cream

00:04:49.920 for just $1 with clinician approval.

00:04:52.740 Stop guessing and start getting answers.

00:04:55.920 Go to joyandblokes.com,

00:04:58.320 J-O-I and blokes, B-L-O-K-E-S.com, slash M-K.

00:05:02.840 Use that code M-K to get 65% off your labs

00:05:06.100 and 20% off all supplements, a great deal.

00:05:09.420 That's joyandblokes.com, slash M-K.

00:05:12.380 Use the code M-K at checkout for 65% off all your labs

00:05:15.240 and 20% off all supplements.

00:05:17.360 Joy and Blokes Healthcare

00:05:18.820 that actually listens to women.

00:05:20.740 Andrew, welcome back.

00:05:23.400 Thank you, Megan.

00:05:23.960 It's good to see you.

00:05:25.200 There's a lot to go over.

00:05:26.400 Okay, so let's just start

00:05:27.960 with some of the leftist reaction

00:05:29.520 because what they're claiming they're mad about

00:05:32.500 is that during Trump's phone call with the boys

00:05:37.360 from the locker room, he made a joke.

00:05:41.400 And in the joke, he said,

00:05:43.380 he said, I want you to come to the White House.

00:05:46.560 Cash Patel clearly called the president on his phone

00:05:48.940 because it's Cash holding his phone.

00:05:50.740 You can see he's got him programmed in as DT.

00:05:53.500 I would like to speak to the FBI director about his code.

00:05:58.600 And Trump's talking to the guys,

00:06:01.520 saying all the fun things and congratulating them.

00:06:03.460 And then he says, you know,

00:06:05.000 come to the White House or come to the State of the Union.

00:06:07.020 And he said, you know,

00:06:08.540 we're going to have to invite the women's team as well

00:06:11.660 or I'll be impeached.

00:06:13.360 We have it here.

00:06:14.860 What would really be cool,

00:06:16.420 and we'll do the White House the next day,

00:06:17.860 we'll just have some fun.

00:06:18.860 We have medals for you guys.

00:06:20.320 And we have to, I must tell you,

00:06:22.360 we're going to have to bring the women's team.

00:06:24.280 You do know that.

00:06:24.920 I do believe I probably would be impeached, okay?

00:06:32.360 So, first of all, all the young men,

00:06:37.840 you could hear them chanting,

00:06:39.360 two for two, two for two,

00:06:40.840 meaning, yes, do it,

00:06:41.840 because the women won gold too.

00:06:43.780 And lots of screams of, yeah, like, bring them.

00:06:47.720 But somehow the left would like to parlay this

00:06:49.820 into a controversy about misogynistic young men.

00:06:53.740 And even Trump's comment as misogynistic

00:06:55.840 as opposed to a joke, an obvious joke.

00:07:00.820 And even if it wasn't a joke,

00:07:02.660 like, do we have to pretend

00:07:03.840 that there's equal interest in men's sports

00:07:06.060 versus women, women's?

00:07:07.700 I mean, like, if men held a beauty pageant contestant,

00:07:11.400 nobody would watch, right?

00:07:12.580 Or fewer would watch than would watch the women.

00:07:15.380 There are a lot of things that women can do.

00:07:17.080 Women in the reality shows are fun.

00:07:18.980 They're colorful.

00:07:19.840 They're emotional.

00:07:20.660 They're interesting to watch.

00:07:22.040 I don't think, like, a bunch of guys

00:07:23.480 would be able to carry a reality show in that way

00:07:25.560 because they're more stoic.

00:07:27.480 They don't talk about themselves as much.

00:07:29.020 You know, there's the old joke,

00:07:30.020 like, a guy gets a divorce

00:07:31.480 and the husband of a different wife

00:07:33.540 goes out on the golf course with him for 10 hours.

00:07:36.080 He comes home and the wife is like,

00:07:37.720 what did he say about the divorce?

00:07:39.040 And nothing, I didn't ask him.

00:07:40.220 What do you mean?

00:07:41.520 Michelle Obama actually told that exact story about Barack,

00:07:43.980 but it's like a meme.

00:07:46.020 Anyway, the point is,

00:07:47.180 there are lots of things that make women

00:07:48.840 fascinating and interesting

00:07:50.720 and people want to tune into them

00:07:52.320 depending on what they're doing.

00:07:54.040 Sports is one of them,

00:07:55.240 but to pretend that it's as compelling

00:07:57.480 in the eyes of the American people

00:07:58.900 as men's sports,

00:08:00.680 men who have the,

00:08:02.100 just the prowess that comes with

00:08:04.000 being a larger size species

00:08:06.340 and the testosterone

00:08:07.260 and all of this stuff.

00:08:08.700 What, it's just fucking ridiculous

00:08:10.340 how we have to pretend

00:08:12.200 it's perfectly equal

00:08:13.100 and there's just as much interest

00:08:14.240 in the women.

00:08:15.020 I don't think there is,

00:08:16.880 but in any event,

00:08:18.760 Trump was making a joke.

00:08:19.960 Okay, but I'm going to show you

00:08:21.580 a little of the leftist meltdown

00:08:24.120 over the fact that Trump did that,

00:08:27.040 the guys didn't hang up on him,

00:08:29.080 and then they agreed to go

00:08:30.720 to the State of the Union,

00:08:32.540 sat nigh.

00:08:33.400 I had no idea

00:08:35.080 that the U.S. men's hockey team

00:08:37.340 warmed up by licking boots.

00:08:39.300 That when the men's U.S. hockey team

00:08:41.440 issues their official apology,

00:08:43.700 I hope that nobody forgives them.

00:08:45.740 They no longer had to treat

00:08:47.960 the women as equals.

00:08:50.220 They were allowed to

00:08:51.480 let their true emotions out.

00:08:54.980 Legitimately to the U.S. men's hockey team,

00:08:57.400 fuck you.

00:08:58.120 The women won gold before you did.

00:09:00.940 To watch that,

00:09:02.800 knowing everything that's going on

00:09:04.740 was sick, nauseating.

00:09:07.440 U.S. men's hockey team

00:09:08.540 who decided to giggle

00:09:09.560 with the United States president,

00:09:11.660 just so you know,

00:09:12.260 that's a very weird way

00:09:13.140 to say that you all have small peepees.

00:09:14.560 It only took you like 37 seconds

00:09:16.720 from getting off of the ice

00:09:18.100 from your game

00:09:18.780 into the locker room

00:09:19.880 to disappoint the entire

00:09:21.260 goddamn country,

00:09:22.460 you loser bitches.

00:09:25.660 Do not trust her.

00:09:31.140 Well, that was a fun

00:09:32.400 10 minutes of patriotism.

00:09:35.240 United States,

00:09:36.020 I hate you more and more every day.

00:09:37.440 Donald Trump, I hate you.

00:09:38.680 Hughes Brothers,

00:09:39.300 that was embarrassing,

00:09:40.180 and I hope your mother hits you.

00:09:41.260 Andrew, help us out here.

00:09:44.980 Well, first of all,

00:09:46.000 this is a problem,

00:09:47.500 an actual problem in the country

00:09:48.740 is that we're now dealing

00:09:49.720 with two parties.

00:09:51.160 We're a two-party system.

00:09:52.720 One of our parties

00:09:53.560 are the Republicans

00:09:55.360 who range from the incompetent

00:09:57.260 to the somewhat interesting.

00:09:59.600 The other side of the Democrats

00:10:00.820 who are now powered

00:10:01.760 by forces that don't want

00:10:04.020 this country to exist,

00:10:05.200 that think it's bad

00:10:06.160 that this country exists,

00:10:07.520 that thinks that any show

00:10:08.780 of patriotism is some kind

00:10:11.920 of fascist idea being expressed

00:10:15.200 that wants all of our monuments,

00:10:17.380 whether it's George Washington's home

00:10:19.320 in Mount Vernon

00:10:20.020 or Thomas Jefferson's home,

00:10:21.360 they want them all dedicated

00:10:22.420 to the institution of slavery

00:10:24.060 instead of to the people

00:10:25.060 that people go there to see.

00:10:26.960 This is an actual attitude.

00:10:29.700 It's at the heart

00:10:30.360 of the Democrat Party,

00:10:31.420 though not all Democrats.

00:10:32.440 I mean, there are plenty

00:10:33.400 of patriotic, decent Democrats

00:10:35.120 who just don't know

00:10:35.780 what they're voting for anymore.

00:10:37.380 And so everything gets politicized

00:10:40.680 at a level that is

00:10:42.480 completely inappropriate.

00:10:43.760 First of all,

00:10:44.180 if you're going to tell me

00:10:45.120 that men go into a locker room

00:10:47.500 and make jokes about women,

00:10:49.060 I'm just shocked.

00:10:50.020 I am just shocked.

00:10:50.840 The fact that I can still sit

00:10:51.760 in this chair

00:10:52.460 after hearing this news

00:10:53.900 is incredible.

00:10:55.100 And I actually have heard,

00:10:57.080 though I shudder to believe it,

00:10:59.420 that women,

00:10:59.980 when they get together,

00:11:00.720 discuss men

00:11:01.320 and even roll their eyes

00:11:02.520 at some of the things

00:11:03.640 that men do.

00:11:04.660 This is part of life

00:11:06.120 that actually I find

00:11:07.080 kind of delightful

00:11:07.840 and at the heart

00:11:10.260 of all joy

00:11:11.180 and creativity in life.

00:11:12.580 But no,

00:11:13.380 it's apparently

00:11:14.040 a terrible, terrible thing.

00:11:16.240 So all of this stuff,

00:11:17.420 I mean,

00:11:17.820 when Alyssa Liu,

00:11:20.520 the skater,

00:11:21.420 did an incredible,

00:11:22.800 incredible routine

00:11:23.980 and won

00:11:24.520 and was attacked

00:11:26.800 for having some

00:11:27.760 kind of woke ideas,

00:11:29.400 I didn't hear the right

00:11:30.280 actually pick up

00:11:30.980 on that at all.

00:11:32.020 You know,

00:11:32.360 that they thought like,

00:11:33.540 yeah, it's great.

00:11:33.920 We won,

00:11:34.780 our America won

00:11:35.780 the gold medal

00:11:36.600 in skating

00:11:37.020 with a fantastic routine.

00:11:38.420 But the left

00:11:39.100 was mocking us

00:11:39.980 because they knew

00:11:40.980 that if she had expressed

00:11:42.160 pro-Trump ideas,

00:11:43.600 there would have been

00:11:44.260 death threats against her

00:11:45.360 and she would have been

00:11:46.660 absolutely,

00:11:47.740 you know,

00:11:48.600 rejected by the left.

00:11:50.100 So we're really dealing

00:11:50.840 with two different ways

00:11:51.740 of seeing the country.

00:11:52.560 This is different

00:11:53.460 than what was happening before.

00:11:55.400 It used to be,

00:11:56.120 let's say 40 years ago,

00:11:57.540 it used to be

00:11:58.300 that the two parties

00:11:59.200 were on either side,

00:12:00.280 as Barack Obama once said,

00:12:01.800 of the 50-yard line.

00:12:02.860 One thought the government

00:12:03.900 should do a little more,

00:12:04.880 one thought the government

00:12:05.520 should do a little less,

00:12:06.400 but we all thought

00:12:07.200 that this was a great place to be.

00:12:08.800 We all honored our founders,

00:12:10.100 we all honored our founding.

00:12:11.520 That is over now

00:12:13.280 and until people start

00:12:15.000 to understand

00:12:15.560 that that's the argument

00:12:16.700 we're in,

00:12:17.440 that we're not in an argument,

00:12:18.740 for instance,

00:12:19.340 about whether illegal immigrants

00:12:21.620 should be deported or not,

00:12:23.320 we're in an argument

00:12:24.580 about whether the country

00:12:25.440 should exist,

00:12:26.140 whether there is in fact

00:12:27.140 no,

00:12:27.960 there are no illegals

00:12:28.960 on stolen land,

00:12:30.040 which means this country

00:12:31.020 should not exist,

00:12:32.260 is an actual non-entity morally.

00:12:34.780 So everything is

00:12:36.040 about that conversation

00:12:37.280 and what we are always

00:12:39.180 in the position of doing

00:12:41.320 is playing backup.

00:12:42.720 We're always being attacked

00:12:43.960 and then having to

00:12:44.680 answer the attacks.

00:12:46.420 We're playing defense

00:12:47.560 all the time

00:12:48.100 instead of saying,

00:12:49.360 no,

00:12:49.620 you know,

00:12:49.760 we love this country.

00:12:51.000 The Huffington Post

00:12:51.800 attacked people

00:12:52.380 for waving flags

00:12:53.400 after the mail hockey victory.

00:12:55.560 I'm not hearing anything

00:12:56.360 about that.

00:12:57.300 You know,

00:12:57.500 we weren't supposed

00:12:58.220 to express patriotism

00:12:59.380 in this terrible time

00:13:00.580 of crisis

00:13:01.020 when Donald Trump

00:13:01.760 is president.

00:13:02.780 And I,

00:13:03.120 you know,

00:13:04.060 unlike you,

00:13:04.960 Megan,

00:13:05.680 I can't use,

00:13:06.200 I can't use the language

00:13:07.420 you use

00:13:08.080 because I'm in the presence

00:13:08.820 of a lady

00:13:09.640 and you're not.

00:13:12.080 I just,

00:13:12.760 my answer,

00:13:13.360 my response to that

00:13:14.100 is two words long

00:13:15.060 and the second one is you.

00:13:16.160 I don't,

00:13:16.660 I don't understand

00:13:17.380 why I can't wave

00:13:19.160 my flag for this country,

00:13:20.300 which is an amazing country,

00:13:22.300 a beautiful country,

00:13:23.440 a great country.

00:13:24.240 I don't even have to add

00:13:25.160 it's not a perfect country

00:13:26.040 because nothing in life

00:13:26.840 is perfect.

00:13:27.700 But,

00:13:28.120 but I just,

00:13:28.640 I just feel that this division

00:13:29.960 is one we haven't

00:13:31.000 cottoned onto yet

00:13:32.040 and the media,

00:13:33.180 which largely sides

00:13:34.260 with the left,

00:13:35.760 works hard not to

00:13:36.800 cotton onto it.

00:13:37.680 We're not discussing

00:13:38.680 what this great country

00:13:40.020 should do,

00:13:40.520 whether it should go forward

00:13:41.460 a little to the left

00:13:42.200 or a little to the right.

00:13:43.200 We're discussing

00:13:43.900 whether this country

00:13:44.680 should exist

00:13:45.380 and be celebrated.

00:13:46.700 And if you don't think

00:13:47.460 that's true,

00:13:47.920 you only have to look

00:13:48.580 at the nations of Europe,

00:13:50.000 Britain,

00:13:50.820 Germany,

00:13:51.540 where waving flags

00:13:53.160 has basically

00:13:54.080 gone completely

00:13:55.300 out of fashion

00:13:55.960 and because of that

00:13:57.160 they're losing

00:13:57.600 their identities

00:13:58.260 all together.

00:13:59.320 So,

00:13:59.880 I'll tell you something else

00:14:01.180 about what's happening here.

00:14:03.940 I think

00:14:04.460 the vast majority

00:14:05.620 of these women

00:14:06.140 and there are men too

00:14:06.880 will play them.

00:14:07.940 They're not,

00:14:08.420 they're not actually offended

00:14:09.720 at all

00:14:10.600 by the fact

00:14:11.780 that these guys reacted

00:14:13.060 the way they did

00:14:13.620 to the Trump call.

00:14:14.340 They hate,

00:14:14.580 they do hate Trump.

00:14:16.420 But they're not offended

00:14:17.480 by the way the guys reacted

00:14:18.580 at all.

00:14:19.900 They were offended

00:14:21.040 at them,

00:14:22.540 period.

00:14:22.760 They are incapable

00:14:25.080 of celebrating

00:14:26.760 a great moment

00:14:28.040 brought to us

00:14:29.180 by white young men.

00:14:32.500 They are incapable.

00:14:33.720 They resent them.

00:14:34.960 They hate them.

00:14:36.740 They feel that they are

00:14:38.220 the source of all

00:14:38.980 of society's problems

00:14:40.020 and ills.

00:14:40.900 And there is something

00:14:42.100 stomach turning for them

00:14:43.520 at watching the nation

00:14:45.240 rally behind

00:14:46.400 men like that.

00:14:48.260 There aren't enough

00:14:49.320 men of color.

00:14:50.000 There are no non-binaries

00:14:52.440 on the team.

00:14:53.660 There are no women

00:14:55.520 on this particular team

00:14:57.420 even though they have

00:14:57.980 their own team.

00:14:59.780 They're unapologetically

00:15:01.180 patriotic

00:15:01.940 as is apparently

00:15:03.800 in the culture

00:15:05.040 of USA hockey,

00:15:06.460 especially men's hockey.

00:15:08.100 And all of that

00:15:09.780 was offensive

00:15:10.380 to these people

00:15:11.220 before they saw

00:15:12.840 that phone call,

00:15:14.000 before the guys said

00:15:14.860 they would go

00:15:15.260 to the State of the Union.

00:15:16.100 They were looking

00:15:17.740 for a reason

00:15:18.940 to hate them,

00:15:20.520 to declare

00:15:21.060 their hatred for them.

00:15:22.920 And these guys

00:15:23.880 did not give it to them.

00:15:25.340 I mean,

00:15:25.600 like, listen,

00:15:26.720 let's just listen

00:15:27.360 to the President Trump

00:15:28.020 phone call one more time.

00:15:29.320 Listen to their reaction.

00:15:30.640 They're enthusiastic.

00:15:31.700 As soon as he mentions

00:15:32.400 the women,

00:15:32.860 they're like,

00:15:33.240 yeah,

00:15:33.800 they love the women's team.

00:15:35.740 They trained

00:15:36.540 with the women's team.

00:15:37.640 They've talked about it.

00:15:38.300 We'll play some of it.

00:15:38.860 But just play the Trump

00:15:39.680 bite one more time.

00:15:41.260 What would really be cool,

00:15:42.760 and we'll do the White House

00:15:43.680 the next day,

00:15:44.200 we'll just have some fun.

00:15:45.120 We have medals for you guys.

00:15:46.700 And we have to,

00:15:47.420 I must tell you,

00:15:48.680 we're going to have to

00:15:49.320 break the women's team.

00:15:50.660 You do know that.

00:15:51.260 Absolutely.

00:15:53.260 Two for two.

00:15:54.420 Two for two.

00:15:55.220 I do believe

00:15:56.680 I probably would be impeached,

00:15:58.380 okay?

00:16:01.960 Absolutely.

00:16:02.780 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:03.900 Two for two.

00:16:04.720 Two for two.

00:16:06.460 Virtually every guy there

00:16:07.640 was in favor of it,

00:16:09.220 Andrew.

00:16:09.940 But these leftists need,

00:16:13.220 they need to hate these guys.

00:16:14.520 Have you ever heard,

00:16:15.900 and again,

00:16:16.540 it just doesn't go both ways.

00:16:17.900 We're dealing with two

00:16:18.860 entirely different attitudes

00:16:20.320 toward the country.

00:16:21.600 Have you ever heard

00:16:22.500 Republicans get upset

00:16:23.900 if a basketball team won

00:16:25.660 by saying like,

00:16:27.120 oh, there are too many

00:16:27.620 black people on this team?

00:16:29.260 Of course not.

00:16:30.640 We understand that

00:16:31.360 different sports

00:16:32.520 attract different kinds of people.

00:16:34.100 And there are different,

00:16:34.960 a million kinds of people

00:16:36.420 in this country,

00:16:37.000 and they're all Americans

00:16:37.900 if they support America.

00:16:39.320 I think that this is just

00:16:40.360 part of a mindset.

00:16:42.500 It's like they're high

00:16:43.120 on their own supply.

00:16:44.320 They've been selling division,

00:16:45.760 selling racial hatred,

00:16:46.860 selling identity hatred

00:16:47.940 all this time,

00:16:48.760 and now they've caught it.

00:16:50.260 Now they've caught,

00:16:51.020 you know,

00:16:51.160 they started out,

00:16:52.080 we all started out saying,

00:16:53.340 hey, you know,

00:16:53.680 racism is wrong.

00:16:54.480 We've got to stop

00:16:55.040 treating black people badly

00:16:56.460 according to their race.

00:16:57.800 We all were kind of

00:16:58.860 moving in that direction.

00:17:00.340 But the left,

00:17:00.940 no, no,

00:17:01.680 it's not the racism that's wrong.

00:17:02.980 We were just racist

00:17:03.580 against the wrong people.

00:17:04.540 Now we're racist

00:17:05.380 against white people,

00:17:06.140 and it's fine.

00:17:07.100 Now it's fine.

00:17:08.000 They sit around

00:17:08.740 and talk about women.

00:17:09.840 They don't even believe

00:17:10.580 women exist.

00:17:11.320 They do not even believe

00:17:12.760 women exist.

00:17:13.460 Not one of them

00:17:14.120 can define a woman.

00:17:15.300 So what are they talking about

00:17:16.400 when they're against,

00:17:17.320 when we say,

00:17:18.460 you know,

00:17:18.660 the men's sports

00:17:19.620 and women's sports

00:17:20.440 are different?

00:17:21.060 That is just a truth.

00:17:22.360 I mean,

00:17:22.560 it is just a truth

00:17:23.360 that men's sports,

00:17:24.560 with the exception of tennis,

00:17:25.960 which is an important exception,

00:17:27.420 but with the exception of tennis,

00:17:28.680 that men's sports

00:17:29.580 attract more people

00:17:31.180 because men are more into sports

00:17:32.520 and the men's,

00:17:33.900 men are of a higher excellence

00:17:35.760 than the women are.

00:17:36.900 You know,

00:17:37.440 it's just the way it is.

00:17:38.400 It's like,

00:17:38.880 why are we prosecuting reality?

00:17:41.920 We're prosecuting reality

00:17:42.940 because in reality,

00:17:44.040 people are unequal.

00:17:45.400 In reality,

00:17:46.140 freedom is good.

00:17:47.240 In reality,

00:17:47.920 America is good.

00:17:48.980 And so we're attacking

00:17:49.760 all those things

00:17:50.600 because we're hoping

00:17:51.380 to create this utopian idea

00:17:54.260 that has just infected

00:17:55.280 the minds of so many people.

00:17:56.980 It is just,

00:17:57.920 it's dangerous.

00:17:59.220 But it's so annoying

00:18:00.920 because they try,

00:18:02.040 I mean,

00:18:02.220 you really have to try

00:18:03.120 to not let them

00:18:04.020 rain on your parade,

00:18:04.960 but they try.

00:18:06.480 You know,

00:18:06.800 I'm thinking about

00:18:07.500 let's take the news business

00:18:09.220 or let's take

00:18:10.200 the acting business.

00:18:12.980 There's no sexism

00:18:14.340 in terms of the audience

00:18:15.980 and their ability

00:18:17.280 to appreciate

00:18:17.940 a male or a female

00:18:19.080 news anchor

00:18:20.320 or podcaster

00:18:21.820 for that matter.

00:18:22.560 None.

00:18:23.060 There is,

00:18:23.460 it is a pure meritocracy.

00:18:25.240 I can speak to that

00:18:26.140 having been at the top

00:18:27.440 of both industries.

00:18:29.100 When I was at Fox,

00:18:30.340 my show was number one

00:18:31.440 and we crushed

00:18:32.480 all competition

00:18:33.420 across the demo.

00:18:34.180 And we even wound up

00:18:36.480 beating Bill O'Reilly

00:18:37.300 who had been

00:18:37.760 the long-term ratings leader

00:18:39.380 for years

00:18:40.480 in that key advertising demo.

00:18:42.780 You know,

00:18:43.360 a female.

00:18:44.080 So it was,

00:18:45.020 nobody cared.

00:18:46.460 In,

00:18:46.620 you know,

00:18:47.960 Hollywood too,

00:18:49.020 there's the male Oscar,

00:18:50.420 there's the female Oscar,

00:18:51.220 but there are

00:18:51.860 mega female stars

00:18:54.080 just like there are

00:18:54.840 mega male stars.

00:18:56.620 You know,

00:18:56.840 you don't get much bigger

00:18:57.780 than a Julia Roberts

00:18:58.740 back in her day especially.

00:19:00.640 But now,

00:19:01.140 you know,

00:19:01.440 there's a lot of other ones

00:19:02.700 that we could name.

00:19:04.180 So there are many industries

00:19:05.560 where there's total parity

00:19:07.220 amongst men and women.

00:19:09.300 Now,

00:19:09.620 women have a USA hockey team

00:19:12.040 and they went to the Olympics

00:19:12.900 and won gold

00:19:13.560 and they were celebrated universally.

00:19:15.300 Women have a soccer team,

00:19:16.560 which is actually quite popular.

00:19:17.800 Soccer is very popular.

00:19:18.480 Female soccer is very,

00:19:19.560 very popular,

00:19:20.560 including the women's team,

00:19:21.480 notwithstanding people

00:19:22.560 like Megan Rapinoe

00:19:23.240 who have tried

00:19:23.720 to absolutely ruin it.

00:19:24.880 But it is,

00:19:28.420 sports in general

00:19:29.680 is generally going to favor

00:19:31.340 the men

00:19:32.260 and viewers generally prefer

00:19:34.080 watching men play sports

00:19:35.840 for the reasons I stated

00:19:37.040 at the top.

00:19:37.840 Male prowess,

00:19:38.680 male athleticism,

00:19:40.520 the male figure,

00:19:41.380 the male muscular

00:19:42.180 and musculoskeletal system,

00:19:44.900 you know,

00:19:45.260 male testosterone,

00:19:46.460 male reaction speed,

00:19:47.940 male aggression,

00:19:49.260 all the things

00:19:50.160 that have made men men

00:19:51.220 for thousands of years

00:19:52.540 translate very well

00:19:53.940 into athletics

00:19:54.560 and they're fun

00:19:55.500 to watch in that way.

00:19:57.000 They are more aggressive.

00:19:58.320 They're more aggressive

00:19:59.400 in virtually every single way.

00:20:00.820 So it's like,

00:20:02.040 it's just absurd

00:20:03.040 that we have to resort

00:20:05.500 to sexism

00:20:06.340 if there's not

00:20:06.960 an equal amount

00:20:08.320 of interest

00:20:08.980 in what the women are.

00:20:10.920 Just stop, okay?

00:20:12.500 There isn't.

00:20:13.600 Sorry,

00:20:14.320 but it doesn't make us sexist.

00:20:16.000 There's even a brain element

00:20:17.220 to this

00:20:17.680 in that when men,

00:20:19.520 this is true of all brains,

00:20:20.800 that when you watch

00:20:21.600 somebody doing something,

00:20:23.200 your brain sparks

00:20:24.440 as if you were doing it.

00:20:25.580 So if you watch a man

00:20:26.660 throw a football pass,

00:20:28.540 there's something

00:20:29.020 in your brain

00:20:29.600 that actually sparks.

00:20:30.500 It's similar

00:20:31.140 to what's going on

00:20:31.860 in his brain.

00:20:32.640 That happens more in men,

00:20:34.380 more intensely in men.

00:20:35.600 So they're kind of programmed

00:20:36.800 to like sports,

00:20:37.680 watching sports

00:20:38.360 more than women are

00:20:39.460 because they experience it

00:20:40.720 more deeply,

00:20:41.700 which is just not true

00:20:42.760 if you're,

00:20:43.260 for instance,

00:20:43.820 a news anchor

00:20:44.760 or an actress

00:20:45.580 or something like that,

00:20:46.480 then there's no difference.

00:20:48.180 And so all of these things,

00:20:49.980 you know,

00:20:50.400 all of these things

00:20:52.280 are part of the joy of life.

00:20:54.000 You know,

00:20:54.280 the old French phrase,

00:20:55.120 vive la différence, right?

00:20:57.420 You know,

00:20:57.720 these are the parts

00:20:58.620 of the things

00:20:59.160 that most of us

00:20:59.780 have been enjoying

00:21:00.540 and they're exasperating

00:21:02.020 and they're troublesome

00:21:03.020 and they are just part of,

00:21:04.660 you know,

00:21:04.940 what it means

00:21:05.420 to be a human being.

00:21:06.820 And all of this

00:21:07.400 has to be erased

00:21:08.280 in order to fulfill

00:21:10.180 the utopian dreams

00:21:11.420 of the left.

00:21:12.080 And, you know,

00:21:12.500 it's just,

00:21:13.340 what really is a shame

00:21:14.840 is this thing

00:21:15.340 where we have to play defense.

00:21:16.600 So as you say,

00:21:17.280 they rain on your parade

00:21:18.260 and we have to say,

00:21:19.480 don't rain on our parade,

00:21:20.500 which immediately brings

00:21:21.300 the argument

00:21:21.800 that they're trying

00:21:22.400 to make into the center.

00:21:23.820 I wish we could

00:21:24.400 simply ignore them.

00:21:25.340 Oh, wait.

00:21:25.640 So can I show you

00:21:26.480 something on this?

00:21:27.140 So these poor boys

00:21:27.960 now are getting asked

00:21:28.760 about this controversy,

00:21:29.940 which is a non-controversy,

00:21:31.400 at every turn.

00:21:32.100 Instead of these

00:21:32.640 asshole reporters

00:21:33.340 just celebrating them

00:21:34.340 and being like,

00:21:34.960 congrats,

00:21:35.380 we're so proud of you.

00:21:36.380 Now it's got to turn into,

00:21:38.040 oh, the controversy.

00:21:39.520 What about the controversy?

00:21:41.340 And I'll give you

00:21:43.040 an example.

00:21:43.560 Well, this,

00:21:44.900 this,

00:21:45.420 well, this is not,

00:21:47.480 the Today Show is,

00:21:48.760 I don't mean that the,

00:21:49.520 these guys are assholes

00:21:50.320 for asking it,

00:21:51.740 but we have seen

00:21:52.440 some of these reporters

00:21:53.060 sticking the mic

00:21:53.620 in the guy's faces.

00:21:54.520 But the Today Show

00:21:55.500 had an interview

00:21:56.040 with Jack Hughes,

00:21:57.860 our golden goal scorer.

00:22:00.560 And, you know,

00:22:01.440 the guy without the teeth now,

00:22:02.540 he's great.

00:22:03.400 And listen to what he said.

00:22:04.800 He handled himself very well,

00:22:05.860 but of course,

00:22:06.300 it keeps coming up.

00:22:07.120 Anyway, here,

00:22:07.860 Sat 6B.

00:22:09.180 I wish,

00:22:10.400 if there's a camera

00:22:11.520 on me and Quinn

00:22:12.240 when the women's team won,

00:22:14.220 we look like

00:22:14.800 the biggest Super fans

00:22:16.160 of all time.

00:22:16.880 We were just

00:22:17.240 jumping up and down.

00:22:18.580 We couldn't believe it.

00:22:19.960 And we locked in

00:22:20.800 and said goodbye to everyone

00:22:21.840 because we had a game

00:22:22.500 the next night.

00:22:23.160 It was,

00:22:23.380 it was late

00:22:23.940 and we sprinted out of there.

00:22:25.520 But I remember

00:22:26.300 I saw Megan in the calf.

00:22:28.780 I think it was the night

00:22:29.780 we beat Slovakius,

00:22:30.860 the night after

00:22:31.520 they won the gold medal

00:22:32.620 and we were just

00:22:33.880 waiting for food

00:22:34.680 and we were talking.

00:22:36.020 I was just like,

00:22:37.160 Megan,

00:22:37.480 I'm so proud of you.

00:22:38.520 I'm so happy for you.

00:22:40.020 You know,

00:22:40.380 couldn't have happened

00:22:40.960 to a better person

00:22:41.880 and obviously,

00:22:43.800 you know,

00:22:44.180 when mine went in,

00:22:45.020 I'm just like,

00:22:46.320 so many things,

00:22:47.580 thoughts,

00:22:48.180 and you know,

00:22:48.740 one of my first thoughts

00:22:49.720 was her

00:22:50.100 and I'm just like,

00:22:51.240 so proud to join her

00:22:52.460 as a gold medalist.

00:22:55.340 Sexist,

00:22:55.880 disgusting pig.

00:22:59.240 Yes,

00:22:59.760 and interestingly,

00:23:01.180 most competitors

00:23:02.000 in America,

00:23:03.100 although the Canadians

00:23:03.860 were a little bit bitter

00:23:04.760 about their loss,

00:23:05.720 most competitors

00:23:07.260 in America

00:23:07.840 do have that strain

00:23:09.180 of sportsmanship,

00:23:10.600 which is what sports

00:23:11.360 is all about.

00:23:12.140 I mean,

00:23:12.300 you do see,

00:23:13.440 you know,

00:23:13.700 I'm a big NFL fan.

00:23:14.820 You watch these guys

00:23:15.420 beat the living hell

00:23:16.740 out of one another

00:23:17.480 and then they shake hands

00:23:18.820 and hug each other

00:23:19.580 and congratulate each other

00:23:20.620 on the victory,

00:23:21.140 which is a very difficult,

00:23:22.240 painful thing to do

00:23:23.480 and yet they do it.

00:23:24.300 And this is all through sports.

00:23:26.520 It is only in left-wing politics

00:23:29.380 where this suddenly disappears.

00:23:31.540 You know,

00:23:31.800 I mean,

00:23:32.120 even I'm old enough

00:23:34.320 to remember

00:23:34.880 when we all sort of thought,

00:23:36.260 well,

00:23:36.540 you know,

00:23:36.740 the people voted

00:23:37.320 for the other guy

00:23:38.000 so we're going to have

00:23:38.580 to go with that.

00:23:39.480 I mean,

00:23:39.700 I remember saying that

00:23:40.660 when Obama was elected,

00:23:41.700 even knowing he was going

00:23:42.640 to be a disaster,

00:23:43.660 thinking,

00:23:43.980 well,

00:23:44.120 he got elected,

00:23:45.100 he got fairly elected

00:23:46.160 so we have to go

00:23:47.520 with the will of the people.

00:23:48.800 That ethos

00:23:50.020 has just completely disappeared

00:23:51.560 from some sections

00:23:53.500 of the right

00:23:54.040 but from all sections

00:23:55.300 of the left.

00:23:55.820 The left has basically

00:23:56.840 convinced themselves

00:23:57.740 that there are two opinions.

00:23:59.540 There's their opinion

00:24:00.320 and then there's Hitler.

00:24:01.760 You know,

00:24:01.960 there's their ideas

00:24:02.920 and then there's hatefulness.

00:24:04.180 And when you do that,

00:24:05.120 you know,

00:24:05.360 you never have to change your mind.

00:24:06.840 You never have to listen

00:24:07.560 to an argument.

00:24:08.380 You never have to confront somebody

00:24:10.100 with politeness

00:24:10.760 and kindness and respect

00:24:11.760 and say,

00:24:12.340 all right,

00:24:12.500 let's hear your ideas

00:24:13.340 and let's see how my ideas compare.

00:24:15.560 Every time they do that,

00:24:16.660 they lose.

00:24:17.260 Every time they debate,

00:24:18.260 they lose

00:24:18.660 because the things

00:24:19.500 that they're putting forward

00:24:20.180 don't work.

00:24:20.200 Yeah,

00:24:20.220 that's why they don't want to.

00:24:21.080 So yeah,

00:24:21.420 so they can't debate anymore.

00:24:22.400 So they can't talk anymore.

00:24:23.380 And the only thing they can do,

00:24:24.660 you know,

00:24:24.800 you're talking about

00:24:25.460 the State of the Union.

00:24:26.560 They're planning

00:24:27.180 a people's State of the Union

00:24:29.300 somewhere else

00:24:30.120 because they can't,

00:24:31.000 because they can't behave themselves

00:24:32.400 in a respectful way

00:24:33.740 during Trump's State of the Union.

00:24:35.200 They have to leave the room.

00:24:36.400 They're like children

00:24:37.040 who have to be put

00:24:37.940 into a separate room.

00:24:39.220 They're literally going to be outside

00:24:40.400 with people

00:24:41.340 in inflatable frog costumes

00:24:43.820 that skip,

00:24:45.200 that skip around.

00:24:46.240 Okay.

00:24:46.360 Wait,

00:24:46.920 I want to show you

00:24:47.480 another couple things.

00:24:48.900 One more from Jack Hughes.

00:24:50.520 Here's,

00:24:50.900 he's speaking to the Daily Mail.

00:24:53.220 Butted to Jack Hughes' mama

00:24:55.520 who herself is a badass.

00:24:57.740 Ellen Hughes

00:24:58.280 is not only a star hockey player

00:25:00.420 in her own right

00:25:01.360 who married a star hockey player

00:25:02.800 and they produced

00:25:03.320 three star hockey players.

00:25:04.840 Literally all three boys

00:25:05.640 are in the NHL.

00:25:06.860 But Ellen has been an advisor

00:25:08.860 and a consultant

00:25:10.720 to the women's gold medal winning team.

00:25:13.300 So she is,

00:25:14.240 she's got a foot in both camps

00:25:15.780 on this one.

00:25:16.460 So listen to Jack.

00:25:17.900 Some of this is on the politics

00:25:19.080 and Ellen too on the Today Show

00:25:20.960 speaking to the Trump comments.

00:25:23.680 Are you guys excited

00:25:24.640 to be going to the White House

00:25:25.520 and meeting Trump?

00:25:26.500 Yeah, we're excited.

00:25:27.420 I mean, anytime,

00:25:28.860 like everything is so political.

00:25:31.760 We're just,

00:25:32.240 we're athletes.

00:25:32.980 We're so proud to represent the U.S.

00:25:35.020 And when you get the chance

00:25:36.140 to go to the White House,

00:25:37.120 meet the president,

00:25:38.220 you know,

00:25:38.580 we're proud to be Americans

00:25:39.640 and, you know,

00:25:40.540 that's so patriotic.

00:25:41.480 So no matter what your views are,

00:25:43.680 we're super excited to go

00:25:45.400 to the White House tomorrow

00:25:46.960 and just be a part of that.

00:25:47.800 You're cheering on both teams.

00:25:49.280 How did that comment land for you?

00:25:52.600 Well, I think at the end of the day,

00:25:53.900 it's just about the country

00:25:55.680 and the moment that these players,

00:25:57.860 both the men and women,

00:25:59.260 can bring so much unity

00:26:01.140 to a group and to a country.

00:26:02.900 People that cheered on

00:26:04.080 that don't watch hockey.

00:26:05.600 People that have politics

00:26:06.580 on one side

00:26:07.380 or on the other side.

00:26:08.400 And that's all

00:26:10.060 both the men's team

00:26:10.960 and the women's team

00:26:11.920 care about.

00:26:12.900 If you could see

00:26:13.600 what we see from the inside

00:26:15.040 and the men and women

00:26:16.180 sharing,

00:26:16.960 you know,

00:26:17.560 dorms,

00:26:18.440 dorm rooms and halls

00:26:19.620 and flex floors

00:26:20.720 and the camaraderie

00:26:22.300 and the synergy

00:26:23.200 and the way the women

00:26:24.620 cheered on the men

00:26:25.420 and the way the men

00:26:26.220 cheered on the women.

00:26:27.440 That's what it's all about.

00:26:28.900 And the other things

00:26:29.880 they cannot control.

00:26:31.680 They care about humanity.

00:26:32.980 They care about unity

00:26:34.080 and they care about the country.

00:26:35.420 Nailed it.

00:26:37.780 That must have made

00:26:39.220 the interviewers very upset.

00:26:40.940 You know,

00:26:41.460 they're like villains.

00:26:42.960 They're like villains

00:26:43.540 in a cartoon.

00:26:44.280 No, unity.

00:26:44.960 We don't want that.

00:26:45.920 Yeah.

00:26:46.340 You know,

00:26:47.080 it's like it's embarrassing.

00:26:49.820 What did you make

00:26:50.600 of the president's comment?

00:26:51.680 You hated it,

00:26:52.380 didn't you?

00:26:52.900 The implication clearly is.

00:26:54.160 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:54.760 And it's just it is a shame.

00:26:56.800 It is kind of comical.

00:26:58.480 I just I just wish

00:26:59.780 we had enough media territory.

00:27:01.280 We're winning

00:27:01.800 some media territory

00:27:02.740 and we've certainly

00:27:03.540 changed the game a lot

00:27:04.920 because of shows like yours

00:27:06.500 and The Daily Wire

00:27:07.300 and all these other places.

00:27:08.700 But it's still not enough.

00:27:10.020 They can still push

00:27:10.780 this agenda into the world.

00:27:12.600 I mean, I wonder,

00:27:13.440 you know,

00:27:13.600 I keep seeing these polls

00:27:14.740 and I believe the polls.

00:27:16.080 I think the polls are true

00:27:16.940 that people are unhappy,

00:27:18.700 feel that they're worse off

00:27:20.120 than they were a year ago.

00:27:21.420 And that's going to be

00:27:22.320 an impediment

00:27:23.540 to Trump's

00:27:24.460 State of the Union message.

00:27:25.600 But I kind of wonder

00:27:26.440 what they're seeing.

00:27:27.480 What is it?

00:27:28.140 Are their economics worse

00:27:30.040 than they were a year ago?

00:27:31.520 And it's just taking a while

00:27:32.780 for the general rise

00:27:34.000 in the economy

00:27:34.560 to catch up with them?

00:27:35.460 Or is it just the news

00:27:37.020 is so full of panic

00:27:38.700 and hatred and and division

00:27:41.020 that that's infecting

00:27:42.400 the way they think?

00:27:43.140 I don't know the answer

00:27:43.920 to that question.

00:27:44.820 I'm surprised that people feel

00:27:46.400 that they're worse off

00:27:47.320 than they were under Biden.

00:27:49.120 I mean, the worst president

00:27:50.400 of my lifetime,

00:27:51.080 which goes back

00:27:51.660 to the Civil War,

00:27:52.840 you know, and I don't

00:27:54.000 I don't know

00:27:54.580 what they're seeing.

00:27:55.240 But I wonder

00:27:56.260 if it's this kind of

00:27:57.680 this media infusion

00:28:00.240 of division and hatred.

00:28:01.560 It may well be,

00:28:02.300 but I don't know.

00:28:04.220 I'm looking for this tweet

00:28:06.080 because it was very funny to me.

00:28:09.200 Yeah, here it is.

00:28:10.420 So somebody named Liz

00:28:11.660 tweets out the following.

00:28:14.080 It's got 1.2 million views already

00:28:15.600 with 56,000 likes.

00:28:18.140 Thinking about the hockey moms

00:28:19.660 that spent over a decade

00:28:21.280 of their lives

00:28:21.940 driving their sons

00:28:23.140 to and from hockey practice

00:28:24.440 and games

00:28:25.000 just for their sons

00:28:26.380 to grow up

00:28:27.060 to become Olympic gold medalists

00:28:28.980 who laugh

00:28:30.040 at misogynistic jokes

00:28:32.160 at the expense

00:28:33.500 of women.

00:28:34.920 And then you've got

00:28:35.960 like this response

00:28:37.440 from Jill

00:28:37.900 who I reposted.

00:28:39.340 Hockey moms saw a team

00:28:40.340 of hardworking,

00:28:41.100 dedicated young men.

00:28:42.480 Hockey moms are proud

00:28:43.240 of how this team

00:28:43.820 represented their country.

00:28:45.180 Hockey moms saw

00:28:45.840 that these men are a family

00:28:46.920 and will never forget

00:28:48.000 those that they have lost.

00:28:50.000 Hockey moms saw the joy

00:28:51.100 in their own sons' eyes

00:28:52.240 when they watched this team

00:28:53.180 win gold on Sunday.

00:28:54.620 Us hockey moms

00:28:55.420 don't have time

00:28:56.160 for your bullshit.

00:28:56.800 That seems to encapsulate

00:29:00.020 the true hockey mom

00:29:01.500 and American attitude.

00:29:02.980 Absolutely.

00:29:03.500 And if these people

00:29:04.260 care so much

00:29:04.900 about women's sports,

00:29:05.760 how come they let men

00:29:06.500 play them?

00:29:07.360 You know,

00:29:07.500 how come they're so eager

00:29:09.080 to have men

00:29:10.100 dressed up as women

00:29:11.260 beat the living crap

00:29:12.960 out of actual women

00:29:15.080 in a boxing ring?

00:29:16.520 You know?

00:29:16.860 Why is that okay?

00:29:18.200 Why is it okay

00:29:18.940 to stick these male swimmers

00:29:21.140 into swimming pools?

00:29:22.440 I've seen how girls

00:29:23.500 work hard

00:29:23.980 to become great swimmers

00:29:25.040 and they put a man

00:29:26.040 in there

00:29:26.340 who pretends

00:29:27.400 he's a woman

00:29:27.900 and he beats

00:29:29.300 their speed.

00:29:30.740 I mean,

00:29:30.920 why is that okay?

00:29:31.920 I don't understand

00:29:32.740 why suddenly

00:29:33.760 their dear hearts

00:29:35.300 tremble

00:29:35.800 for these poor women

00:29:37.400 who they were ready

00:29:38.220 to erase yesterday.

00:29:40.080 I mean,

00:29:40.260 the day before the Olympics,

00:29:41.740 they were ready

00:29:42.360 to erase these women

00:29:43.220 completely off the face

00:29:44.600 of the earth.

00:29:44.960 They didn't exist.

00:29:45.700 They couldn't define

00:29:46.440 what a woman was

00:29:47.340 so that a man

00:29:48.120 had to be able

00:29:48.680 to play with them.

00:29:49.620 I don't understand

00:29:50.360 the sentiment.

00:29:50.780 This brings me to

00:29:51.700 a guy named

00:29:52.440 Ian Kennedy.

00:29:53.160 Ian Kennedy is,

00:29:55.300 he says he works

00:29:55.880 for the Hockey News,

00:29:56.800 editor at the Hockey News W,

00:29:58.540 author of a book

00:29:59.700 about women in hockey

00:30:02.180 and he tweets out,

00:30:05.200 as NHL players

00:30:06.000 return to their teams

00:30:06.920 and as Team USA

00:30:07.760 heads to meet

00:30:08.440 with the president,

00:30:09.080 remember that they've

00:30:09.820 all had plenty of time

00:30:10.700 to speak out,

00:30:11.720 to apologize for laughing,

00:30:13.460 to condemn

00:30:14.160 that type of misogyny

00:30:15.480 and to tout

00:30:16.440 the achievement

00:30:17.000 of USA's women's team.

00:30:19.600 They haven't.

00:30:20.380 All that is untrue

00:30:21.920 but the internet,

00:30:25.740 Twitter points out to me,

00:30:27.260 this man hates women

00:30:28.480 and doesn't even want

00:30:29.240 them to have sports

00:30:29.940 and retweets something

00:30:31.360 he tweeted on 2525,

00:30:33.760 so a year ago.

00:30:35.140 Trans women are women.

00:30:36.520 Trans rights are human rights.

00:30:38.000 Trans women belong

00:30:38.940 in women's sports.

00:30:40.340 To your point, sir.

00:30:41.420 Yeah, yeah,

00:30:41.940 no question about it

00:30:42.780 and it's just

00:30:43.480 the absolute destruction.

00:30:45.160 It's not just the destruction

00:30:46.120 of women's sports.

00:30:46.880 I mean, you and I

00:30:47.260 have talked about this a lot.

00:30:48.300 It's the destruction

00:30:48.860 of the identity of womanhood

00:30:50.220 which is,

00:30:51.180 I hate to break this to you

00:30:52.960 but it's one of the key

00:30:53.900 identities of humanity.

00:30:55.560 There are only two kinds

00:30:56.400 of human beings.

00:30:56.880 It's a big one.

00:30:57.380 Yeah, it's the only two kinds

00:30:58.240 of human beings in the world.

00:30:59.240 There's men and women.

00:31:00.060 Everybody else is pretty much

00:31:01.140 the same.

00:31:02.060 You know, there's only,

00:31:02.720 that's the big difference

00:31:03.680 between human beings

00:31:05.280 is gender.

00:31:06.240 That's it.

00:31:06.920 And so,

00:31:07.560 I don't really understand.

00:31:09.460 It is about the division.

00:31:11.360 It is about the hatred.

00:31:12.560 It's about...

00:31:13.240 Yes, they want,

00:31:14.020 they can't stand it.

00:31:15.220 They're not,

00:31:15.700 these leftists

00:31:16.120 are not having the same

00:31:16.940 feeling that we're feeling

00:31:18.760 when, you know,

00:31:20.140 instead of being like,

00:31:20.760 oh my God,

00:31:21.280 even a moment of patriotism,

00:31:23.420 like we can all come together

00:31:24.460 over this.

00:31:25.220 And we're so naive.

00:31:26.880 We're kind of sweet

00:31:27.900 in our naivete.

00:31:29.320 Like, yes,

00:31:30.620 we're going to embrace everybody.

00:31:32.180 And the leftists are like,

00:31:34.220 what part of tear that shit down

00:31:36.840 didn't you believe?

00:31:38.860 Yes.

00:31:39.500 We can't fucking stand the country.

00:31:42.120 We've made ourselves

00:31:42.940 perfectly clear.

00:31:44.180 Stop trying to stick

00:31:45.440 that olive branch

00:31:46.340 in our faces.

00:31:46.880 That's exactly

00:31:48.080 what I'm trying to say.

00:31:49.120 That is exactly,

00:31:49.680 the division between this,

00:31:50.920 in this country now

00:31:51.740 is not a division,

00:31:52.800 it's not even a division

00:31:53.580 between right and left.

00:31:55.120 It's a division

00:31:55.860 between pro-founding

00:31:57.280 and anti-founding.

00:31:58.600 It's whether this country

00:31:59.660 should have been founded

00:32:00.400 and whether the people

00:32:01.160 who founded it

00:32:01.560 were great men

00:32:02.360 who moved politics

00:32:03.660 into a brand new era

00:32:06.220 of freedom

00:32:07.140 that absolutely redefined

00:32:08.980 the values of the human race

00:32:10.200 in the West,

00:32:10.860 which it actually did.

00:32:12.340 I mean,

00:32:12.540 even the Soviet Union

00:32:13.600 had to say

00:32:14.060 it was a union of republics,

00:32:15.340 which it wasn't,

00:32:15.920 because of us,

00:32:16.740 because we,

00:32:17.880 our founding redefined

00:32:19.360 what was good

00:32:19.880 and what was bad

00:32:20.600 in politics.

00:32:22.060 Are we supposed

00:32:23.060 to be proud

00:32:23.580 of that founding

00:32:24.120 or are we not?

00:32:25.380 And this is,

00:32:25.980 you know,

00:32:26.160 the other day

00:32:26.660 I was watching TV

00:32:27.480 and I heard a Democrat

00:32:28.480 come on and say

00:32:29.240 he was against

00:32:29.780 all the radicalism

00:32:30.920 in the Democrat Party

00:32:31.720 because he was a JFK Democrat.

00:32:33.800 And I thought,

00:32:34.580 I'm a JFK Democrat,

00:32:35.620 that's why I'm a Republican.

00:32:37.280 You know,

00:32:37.500 that category

00:32:38.720 does not exist

00:32:40.040 in the Democrat Party anymore

00:32:41.380 and it doesn't exist

00:32:42.500 in the left

00:32:43.020 and it's because

00:32:44.000 a very small number

00:32:45.340 of people,

00:32:46.340 leftists,

00:32:46.920 have been magnified

00:32:48.080 by the media

00:32:48.760 and by Hollywood.

00:32:49.700 That is why it's like this

00:32:50.880 and because our children

00:32:52.100 are educated.

00:32:52.680 They would rather,

00:32:56.060 however,

00:32:56.680 celebrate the likes

00:32:57.960 of Eileen Gu,

00:33:00.660 who,

00:33:01.500 I mean,

00:33:01.920 she's being called

00:33:02.600 a traitor by some.

00:33:03.780 That's probably too strong,

00:33:05.020 but there's no question

00:33:06.540 this woman

00:33:07.160 has gotten

00:33:08.360 millions of dollars,

00:33:09.800 millions,

00:33:10.460 reportedly over $20 million

00:33:11.720 in endorsements

00:33:13.740 largely from Chinese companies

00:33:15.680 even though

00:33:16.720 she's American.

00:33:18.420 She was born here,

00:33:19.680 but she has a Chinese mother

00:33:21.020 and she was recruited

00:33:22.520 by the Chinese

00:33:23.240 for that reason

00:33:23.900 to play,

00:33:25.060 to ski for them

00:33:26.220 and unlike Alyssa Liu,

00:33:28.540 our golden ice skater,

00:33:31.120 she,

00:33:32.000 Eileen Gu,

00:33:32.660 the skier,

00:33:33.660 took the money

00:33:34.660 and she went over there

00:33:36.700 and skied for China

00:33:38.540 and won some golds

00:33:40.260 skiing for China

00:33:41.620 and she's being celebrated

00:33:44.460 universally

00:33:45.620 by the leftist media

00:33:47.520 here in America.

00:33:48.740 They're making a heroine

00:33:49.980 out of this woman

00:33:51.040 and what I see

00:33:53.180 is this.

00:33:55.060 Look at her

00:33:55.740 during

00:33:56.360 the Chinese

00:33:57.720 national anthem.

00:34:06.340 She's singing it.

00:34:07.440 Okay,

00:34:20.140 I'm sorry,

00:34:20.740 but that's just gross.

00:34:21.660 Yeah.

00:34:21.880 That's just gross.

00:34:22.500 That's a sellout

00:34:23.420 to China,

00:34:24.560 enjoy your money.

00:34:25.580 Why would the media

00:34:26.540 be celebrating her?

00:34:27.940 It's a really good question,

00:34:29.340 especially when you consider

00:34:30.280 that the Chinese,

00:34:31.820 first of all,

00:34:32.460 they spy on every single

00:34:34.120 one of their citizens,

00:34:35.160 which is a lot of citizens.

00:34:36.160 They put Uyghurs in camps

00:34:38.080 and re-education camps.

00:34:39.500 They are said,

00:34:40.540 and I believe it,

00:34:41.420 to act...

00:34:41.860 Where they're forced

00:34:42.480 into sterilization.

00:34:43.760 Yes, and to have

00:34:44.440 their organs sold,

00:34:46.180 which I actually believe,

00:34:47.360 which is like a horror movie,

00:34:49.140 you know,

00:34:49.340 something someone like me

00:34:50.600 might make up.

00:34:51.600 It's just an absolutely

00:34:53.580 criminal slave state

00:34:55.680 and why the representatives

00:34:57.240 of that state...

00:34:58.220 One of the reasons

00:34:59.780 the Olympics don't land on me

00:35:01.100 as hard as they do

00:35:01.720 on some people's...

00:35:02.420 Because I don't care

00:35:03.000 whether America wins.

00:35:03.900 I still think America is better.

00:35:05.540 If America had lost to Canada,

00:35:07.440 it wouldn't have changed

00:35:08.160 my feelings about the country anyway.

00:35:09.920 Like, I can understand

00:35:10.760 watching football,

00:35:11.580 maybe Pittsburgh is better

00:35:13.040 than Baltimore,

00:35:14.120 you know,

00:35:14.780 but the idea that China

00:35:15.920 is better than America

00:35:16.780 would never occur to me.

00:35:18.200 And I think that this idea,

00:35:19.480 especially as you were saying

00:35:20.420 this, Alyssa Liu,

00:35:21.320 I believe her father

00:35:22.780 escaped after Tiananmen Square.

00:35:25.100 He got out of China.

00:35:25.640 Yes, they went the other way.

00:35:26.600 That's right.

00:35:27.040 And so...

00:35:27.480 They went the way...

00:35:28.040 He fled China

00:35:28.960 and is here.

00:35:30.360 Did anybody on the right say,

00:35:31.680 oh, we can't celebrate her,

00:35:33.340 she's Chinese?

00:35:33.920 No, of course not.

00:35:34.720 She's an all-American.

00:35:35.660 We, you know,

00:35:36.140 this is the wonderful thing

00:35:37.400 about this country.

00:35:37.980 We will magically turn you

00:35:39.240 into an American.

00:35:40.180 All you have to do

00:35:40.920 is support our, you know,

00:35:42.540 our values.

00:35:43.840 Well...

00:35:44.360 Unfortunately, the left doesn't.

00:35:44.920 Here's what they're doing

00:35:45.460 with Eileen Gu.

00:35:46.080 I'll just give you

00:35:46.600 a couple of quick headlines.

00:35:48.880 ESPN has an op-ed,

00:35:50.940 Eileen Gu's all-American choice

00:35:53.560 to ski for China.

00:35:56.880 What?

00:35:57.240 What does that even mean?

00:35:59.060 He's got his...

00:36:00.580 Andrew's got his head

00:36:01.480 in his hands.

00:36:03.500 Celebrating her

00:36:04.060 as freestyle skiing's

00:36:06.100 biggest star.

00:36:07.280 She's a case study

00:36:08.220 in modern leadership.

00:36:10.380 Wow.

00:36:11.460 Talking about her 23 million.

00:36:13.200 She mastered the Olympics,

00:36:14.620 calling her the snow princess,

00:36:16.640 superstar,

00:36:17.900 courtesy of The Athletic.

00:36:19.680 All these in-depth profiles on her.

00:36:21.800 We're not doing that

00:36:22.340 for any other Chinese athletes.

00:36:23.960 Why are we doing that for her?

00:36:24.660 Did you have...

00:36:25.040 Because she's an American

00:36:25.780 who betrayed us?

00:36:28.060 Yeah.

00:36:28.320 Therefore, that gets you

00:36:29.220 all this ink

00:36:29.860 and greater endorsement.

00:36:30.880 And can I just show you...

00:36:32.120 Let me show you

00:36:32.760 who Eileen Gu is

00:36:33.740 because this is not

00:36:34.660 a likable person.

00:36:35.980 Absolutely not

00:36:36.860 a likable person.

00:36:37.700 Watch.

00:36:38.660 I'm so proud

00:36:39.740 of how I've done

00:36:40.940 this Olympics.

00:36:41.960 I joke,

00:36:43.480 I'm not a betting woman,

00:36:44.740 but if I were,

00:36:45.600 I took a big gamble

00:36:46.440 this time

00:36:47.220 because I chose

00:36:48.320 to do three events

00:36:49.020 knowing that I hadn't

00:36:50.160 trained half-pipe

00:36:50.740 in two months,

00:36:51.800 knowing that I would miss

00:36:52.720 the half-pipe training,

00:36:54.080 I'm an introspective young woman.

00:36:55.380 Like, I spend a lot of time

00:36:56.460 in my head

00:36:56.980 and it's not a bad place to be.

00:36:58.980 The fact is,

00:36:59.640 I get to become

00:37:00.540 every day

00:37:01.300 the kind of person

00:37:02.600 that me at age eight

00:37:03.940 would revere.

00:37:05.300 Like, I would be obsessed

00:37:06.280 with me today.

00:37:06.880 Are you kidding?

00:37:07.320 I would love me.

00:37:08.300 Global beneficial impact

00:37:09.820 is like my central theme.

00:37:11.720 The fact is,

00:37:12.340 a rising tide

00:37:12.980 raises all boats

00:37:13.800 and so this is also good

00:37:15.120 for every other athlete

00:37:16.380 competing,

00:37:17.260 regardless of what country

00:37:18.040 you compete for.

00:37:19.540 That's wonderful.

00:37:20.700 She's giving Gail Kim

00:37:21.620 post-Blue Origin.

00:37:24.740 I'm an inspiration.

00:37:26.020 The wonder of me.

00:37:26.480 Just ask me.

00:37:27.240 The wonder of me.

00:37:28.200 The eight-year-old me

00:37:29.640 would revere me.

00:37:31.980 Who talks like that?

00:37:34.060 That's amazing.

00:37:35.080 I love that.

00:37:35.960 The eight-year-old me

00:37:36.860 would revere me.

00:37:38.120 You know,

00:37:38.520 who would look back

00:37:39.360 on the eight-year-old me

00:37:40.220 and think it might

00:37:40.740 one day become me.

00:37:43.040 The great circle of me

00:37:44.900 is absolutely

00:37:45.580 complete and inescapable.

00:37:47.740 That's wonderful.

00:37:48.740 Is the left so far gone?

00:37:50.140 These media writers

00:37:50.900 that they look at that

00:37:51.760 and they think,

00:37:52.440 yeah, right on.

00:37:53.300 No way.

00:37:54.200 They've got to see

00:37:55.120 how self-aggrandizing she is.

00:37:56.920 Contrast that with Jack Hughes

00:37:58.820 right after winning gold

00:38:01.660 for the men's team

00:38:03.560 saying it's all on the goalie.

00:38:06.880 He outplayed everybody

00:38:07.880 by a mile

00:38:08.760 and also finding a way

00:38:10.680 to praise the opponents.

00:38:12.260 The Canadian team

00:38:13.160 was amazing.

00:38:14.520 Not one word about himself

00:38:17.880 we'll play it.

00:38:19.560 Back the first gold medal

00:38:20.860 for the United States

00:38:21.760 in 46 years

00:38:23.080 and you delivered it.

00:38:24.400 Can you just describe

00:38:25.240 the emotions

00:38:25.720 of this moment right now?

00:38:27.120 This is all about

00:38:28.280 our country right now.

00:38:29.840 I love the USA.

00:38:31.480 I love my teammates.

00:38:33.360 It's unbelievable.

00:38:34.580 The USA Hockey Brotherhood

00:38:35.940 is so strong

00:38:37.280 and we have so much support

00:38:38.980 from ex-players

00:38:39.780 and I'm so proud

00:38:41.320 to be American today.

00:38:42.360 This was such an incredible

00:38:45.400 game to grind out.

00:38:46.680 I mean, you're bleeding

00:38:47.320 right through it

00:38:48.140 just looking at you right now.

00:38:49.580 Can you just talk about

00:38:50.340 how difficult

00:38:51.040 this gold medal was to win?

00:38:53.260 Unbelievable game

00:38:54.120 by Hellebuck.

00:38:55.080 He was our best player

00:38:56.180 tonight by a mile.

00:38:57.540 Unbelievable game.

00:38:58.960 Unreal game by our team.

00:39:00.760 That's just a ballsy,

00:39:01.780 gutsy win.

00:39:02.840 That's American hockey

00:39:03.820 right there.

00:39:04.720 That's a great Canadian team

00:39:06.000 but we're USA.

00:39:07.580 We're so proud

00:39:08.160 to be Americans.

00:39:09.300 Tonight was all

00:39:09.900 for the country.

00:39:12.660 All right,

00:39:13.220 so just to sum up,

00:39:14.640 he mentioned

00:39:15.200 when she specifically said

00:39:16.380 you,

00:39:17.140 how did you do it?

00:39:18.340 You scored the game winner.

00:39:20.040 It's about the country.

00:39:22.060 It's about

00:39:22.780 the hockey brotherhood.

00:39:25.700 It's about the ex-players

00:39:27.080 who have been so supportive.

00:39:28.200 It's about Hallibuck

00:39:29.080 who outplayed everybody

00:39:30.140 by a mile.

00:39:31.060 It's about the team.

00:39:32.360 It's about American hockey again.

00:39:34.420 It's about the great Canadian team

00:39:35.960 and it's about love of country.

00:39:38.000 Not me!

00:39:40.240 I revere me!

00:39:43.020 I'm crushing everything!

00:39:45.220 Doesn't everyone love me?

00:39:48.360 You know,

00:39:49.040 it's also,

00:39:50.320 I mean,

00:39:50.600 he's praising the goalie.

00:39:52.260 The Canadians were so bitter

00:39:53.780 that they were saying,

00:39:54.840 well,

00:39:55.060 they were suggesting,

00:39:56.780 they didn't come out

00:39:57.300 and say it,

00:39:57.800 but they were suggesting

00:39:58.500 that they were the better team

00:39:59.740 because they took more shots

00:40:01.000 and they did.

00:40:01.720 I mean,

00:40:02.000 it was an onslaught.

00:40:02.940 They actually took

00:40:03.680 shot after shot

00:40:04.760 after shot

00:40:05.160 and the goalie

00:40:05.720 kept blocking them

00:40:06.980 and so they were saying,

00:40:08.120 well,

00:40:08.180 we were really the better team

00:40:09.140 because we took more shots,

00:40:10.200 which is actually

00:40:11.220 not the way hockey is played.

00:40:12.800 The shots have to go

00:40:13.520 into the goal.

00:40:15.120 But look,

00:40:15.600 none of them...

00:40:16.220 Thank you for us

00:40:17.220 non-sports lovers.

00:40:18.200 I appreciate that

00:40:19.000 because I've been confused.

00:40:20.860 I know.

00:40:21.340 It was complex stuff.

00:40:22.980 But, you know,

00:40:23.860 this is a really interesting thing.

00:40:26.160 What that guy was saying

00:40:27.020 is what we expect

00:40:28.000 in America

00:40:28.620 of our sportsmen.

00:40:30.320 It is what we expect them to say.

00:40:31.880 Like I said,

00:40:33.100 I watch football.

00:40:33.780 I watch football

00:40:34.500 all season long

00:40:35.420 and I expect the quarterback

00:40:36.820 to come out

00:40:37.300 and thank the line.

00:40:38.160 I expect him to come out

00:40:38.860 and thank his receivers

00:40:39.640 and to say that it's a great team

00:40:41.340 and when he fails,

00:40:42.960 he says,

00:40:43.580 I blew it.

00:40:44.640 You know,

00:40:44.980 that is what we expect.

00:40:45.960 That's what American sportsmen

00:40:47.220 talk about.

00:40:47.560 That's when you use I.

00:40:48.600 Yep.

00:40:49.040 And we know it.

00:40:50.540 We all feel this way

00:40:51.540 and we put it on our kids.

00:40:53.580 We teach it to our kids.

00:40:54.800 This is one of the reasons

00:40:56.200 why when the left says

00:40:57.320 there should be no score,

00:40:59.340 you know,

00:40:59.620 we should have no score.

00:41:00.720 This is one of the things

00:41:01.440 they wanted to teach kids

00:41:02.280 for a long time.

00:41:03.020 There are no winners and losers.

00:41:04.420 It's the fact

00:41:05.180 that there are winners and losers

00:41:06.240 that shapes people

00:41:07.460 into sportsmen.

00:41:08.560 The fact that you can lose

00:41:09.860 with grace

00:41:10.380 means that you can win

00:41:11.620 in a fury

00:41:12.320 and win with grace

00:41:13.200 and those are,

00:41:13.860 that's,

00:41:14.160 I don't know.

00:41:14.700 To me,

00:41:15.020 that's more important

00:41:15.620 than who wins the game.

00:41:16.460 It actually is.

00:41:17.340 You know,

00:41:17.560 I mean,

00:41:17.800 now that you're saying that

00:41:19.120 you're so right

00:41:19.820 and when you're saying it,

00:41:21.060 Andrew,

00:41:21.260 I'm thinking about

00:41:22.020 the two stories

00:41:23.420 about Eileen Gu

00:41:24.300 are totally connected.

00:41:26.020 The same woman

00:41:26.860 who talks like that

00:41:27.720 about herself

00:41:28.380 would take the 23 million

00:41:30.420 bucks

00:41:30.820 in endorsement deals

00:41:32.040 to go play for the Chinese

00:41:33.400 and sing their anthem

00:41:34.320 even though she's American,

00:41:35.700 right?

00:41:35.980 It's the same person.

00:41:37.280 It's no accident

00:41:38.220 that she

00:41:39.720 is wrapped

00:41:41.040 in a Chinese flag

00:41:42.600 singing the Chinese

00:41:44.040 national anthem

00:41:44.880 and then sat down

00:41:46.980 and wanted us

00:41:47.580 all to know

00:41:48.300 how great

00:41:49.260 she is.

00:41:50.700 And I have to say,

00:41:51.620 I hadn't heard

00:41:52.680 those headlines

00:41:53.260 you were reading.

00:41:53.860 That was the first time

00:41:54.520 I'd heard them

00:41:55.020 and I can't imagine

00:41:56.220 what's in those guys'

00:41:57.000 minds.

00:41:58.380 What are they talking about?

00:41:59.860 Do they not know

00:42:00.840 what China is?

00:42:01.220 Well, what's the story

00:42:01.760 with sports writers?

00:42:03.180 As an American man

00:42:04.340 who probably reads

00:42:05.120 a lot more sports

00:42:05.740 than I do,

00:42:06.640 is sports writing

00:42:07.980 completely woke?

00:42:09.360 Yes.

00:42:09.920 Because I can't get over

00:42:11.980 the number of headlines

00:42:13.100 written by men

00:42:14.200 that are very woke

00:42:15.700 and annoying

00:42:16.240 about our male hockey team.

00:42:17.800 I actually canceled

00:42:19.420 many years ago,

00:42:20.360 publicly canceled

00:42:21.500 my subscription

00:42:22.700 to Sports Illustrated

00:42:24.180 because I got so sick

00:42:25.740 of them attacking God.

00:42:27.580 Every time I remember

00:42:28.760 Drew Brees

00:42:29.720 got up and gave a speech

00:42:31.120 where some kid,

00:42:32.180 little kid,

00:42:32.780 asked him

00:42:33.060 what was his super word,

00:42:34.580 what was his strength word

00:42:35.440 and he said faith.

00:42:37.040 And in covering this,

00:42:37.960 Sports Illustrated

00:42:38.480 wrote three paragraphs

00:42:39.480 on why he didn't mean

00:42:40.580 faith in Jesus,

00:42:41.960 which is what he meant.

00:42:43.240 That was exactly

00:42:44.200 what he was talking about.

00:42:45.280 But he didn't necessarily

00:42:46.240 mean that

00:42:46.800 because that would be divisive.

00:42:47.960 That was what Sports Illustrated

00:42:49.000 said and I said,

00:42:49.560 I'm canceling my subscription

00:42:50.520 and they complained.

00:42:51.820 They went on Hugh Hewitt

00:42:52.620 show and attacked me

00:42:53.880 for canceling my subscription.

00:42:55.480 And I just thought,

00:42:56.040 no, you guys,

00:42:57.080 you know,

00:42:57.420 this is what sports

00:42:58.660 is all about.

00:42:59.580 It is all about faith.

00:43:00.640 It's all about,

00:43:01.160 you know, excellence.

00:43:01.900 It's all about the things

00:43:02.680 that men care about.

00:43:03.780 You know, people always say,

00:43:04.800 they always say men

00:43:05.540 only have one thing

00:43:06.340 on their mind

00:43:06.860 and always say,

00:43:07.340 yes, excellence.

00:43:08.420 Men think,

00:43:09.080 that is the thing

00:43:09.700 that men think about

00:43:10.360 from the minute they wake up

00:43:11.460 to the minute they go to bed.

00:43:12.660 How can I be excellent?

00:43:14.120 And when you look at sports,

00:43:15.440 you know,

00:43:15.960 look, you know,

00:43:16.860 I played sports as a little kid,

00:43:18.120 but I'm not a sportsman.

00:43:19.360 But when I look at them,

00:43:20.480 I am inspired to be excellent.

00:43:22.620 Better than I am.

00:43:23.440 I want to make sure

00:43:24.040 that I did all the work

00:43:25.040 I need to do

00:43:25.700 to do my job well.

00:43:27.260 That's what sports is about.

00:43:28.440 You know,

00:43:28.540 you're just hitting a ball

00:43:29.760 with a stick after all.

00:43:31.000 It has no meaning

00:43:32.240 except the meaning

00:43:32.940 that it has to the spectator.

00:43:34.540 And the spectator

00:43:35.220 is looking at this

00:43:35.860 and saying,

00:43:36.220 this is excellence.

00:43:36.920 And that is the thing

00:43:37.740 that is primary

00:43:38.600 in most men's makeup

00:43:40.160 is how to achieve excellence.

00:43:42.640 And it's happening,

00:43:43.600 by the way,

00:43:43.940 notwithstanding

00:43:44.240 all these naysayers

00:43:45.000 and these terrible

00:43:45.500 negative Nellies,

00:43:47.060 all the guys' social media

00:43:48.980 is shooting up,

00:43:50.340 you know,

00:43:50.660 by the thousand after thousand

00:43:52.180 in terms of followers,

00:43:53.500 their influence is growing,

00:43:55.660 their, you know,

00:43:56.600 ability to message

00:43:57.560 to the American public

00:43:58.500 is growing.

00:43:59.120 All that's great.

00:44:00.680 And now over on team women

00:44:02.680 who,

00:44:04.540 let's just keep in mind,

00:44:05.660 they are not

00:44:06.240 in a controversy.

00:44:07.280 People are starting

00:44:07.800 to turn on them

00:44:08.500 on the right

00:44:08.940 too soon.

00:44:10.440 OK, they declined

00:44:12.640 the president's invitation

00:44:14.080 to go to the White House

00:44:15.680 or to go to the State

00:44:16.520 of the Union

00:44:16.980 saying they just have

00:44:18.200 too many other commitments.

00:44:19.540 That is,

00:44:20.160 but saying we're very honored

00:44:21.760 to be asked.

00:44:22.280 Thank you so much.

00:44:23.180 That's fine.

00:44:23.820 That doesn't mean

00:44:24.520 that they're snubbing

00:44:25.280 the president.

00:44:26.400 That they actually do.

00:44:27.540 Mark Thiessen

00:44:27.960 was pointing this out

00:44:28.900 on his ex-feed

00:44:30.460 saying a lot of these gals

00:44:32.300 are still in college

00:44:33.460 and they are in the NCAA.

00:44:35.840 They've missed

00:44:36.480 almost a month of school

00:44:37.720 and eight games

00:44:39.220 with their NCAA teams.

00:44:40.900 Some who are in

00:44:41.840 the Professional

00:44:42.520 Women's Hockey League.

00:44:43.720 The break is now over

00:44:44.800 and unlike NHL players,

00:44:47.040 their teams can't send

00:44:48.020 charter planes

00:44:48.600 to come get them

00:44:49.640 back by the game.

00:44:50.420 I think he means

00:44:50.980 because of dough.

00:44:52.000 It's not as rich

00:44:53.120 or lucrative a business.

00:44:55.820 They were extremely gracious,

00:44:56.900 he points out,

00:44:57.380 in their statement

00:44:57.800 explaining why

00:44:58.380 they couldn't come.

00:44:59.700 So maybe we'll get

00:45:02.000 to the point

00:45:02.480 where they're like,

00:45:03.380 we didn't go

00:45:03.880 because we hate Trump

00:45:04.620 and then we can have

00:45:05.780 that conversation.

00:45:06.400 But it's too soon.

00:45:07.580 They've done nothing wrong.

00:45:08.720 They've been very supportive

00:45:09.660 of their male counterparts

00:45:11.120 on the men's team.

00:45:12.640 They're not out there

00:45:13.440 saying that these are

00:45:14.160 sexist pigs.

00:45:15.200 I'm sure they heard

00:45:16.200 these guys who they know

00:45:17.100 very well saying,

00:45:18.400 yeah, two for two,

00:45:19.220 absolutely, bring them.

00:45:20.540 And unlike these idiots

00:45:21.940 who are ripping on the men,

00:45:24.720 these women know these guys

00:45:26.020 and I'm sure love them.

00:45:28.640 They've spent countless hours

00:45:29.900 with one another,

00:45:31.080 rooting for each other,

00:45:32.000 living with each other,

00:45:32.980 not with, with,

00:45:33.640 but, you know,

00:45:33.900 in the same quarters generally.

00:45:34.940 And the women's hockey team

00:45:38.360 now has received

00:45:39.460 an invitation from

00:45:40.560 Flavor Flav,

00:45:43.440 Flava Flav

00:45:44.800 is how you're supposed

00:45:45.680 to say it.

00:45:47.120 Flav would like

00:45:49.640 to extend an invitation

00:45:51.060 to them to host them

00:45:51.780 for a big rager

00:45:52.540 out in Vegas,

00:45:54.020 do some nice dinners,

00:45:55.120 he writes,

00:45:55.460 and shows in good times.

00:45:56.840 I'm sure he can get

00:45:57.420 a hotel and airline

00:45:58.100 to help me out here

00:45:58.800 and celebrate the women

00:45:59.560 for real, for real.

00:46:00.820 So, now this is definitely

00:46:02.440 meant to be a thumb

00:46:03.680 in the eye to Trump.

00:46:05.380 And then he tweeted out

00:46:06.480 a message saying

00:46:07.160 that they accepted it,

00:46:08.720 but then he took it down.

00:46:10.780 So, I don't know what's real,

00:46:12.640 whether they're going

00:46:13.200 to go or not.

00:46:15.420 I'm fine with them

00:46:16.300 going out

00:46:16.740 and having a rager in Vegas.

00:46:17.880 They deserve it.

00:46:18.660 They worked so hard

00:46:19.500 and they made us so proud.

00:46:21.140 I will say,

00:46:22.060 if this is turning into,

00:46:23.000 like, a sexism thing

00:46:24.980 or a misogyny thing

00:46:26.060 and they don't want to go

00:46:26.900 with, like,

00:46:27.980 the guys who laughed

00:46:29.260 at Trump's joke

00:46:30.580 versus Flava Flav,

00:46:32.920 they should really do

00:46:34.100 a Google of Flav.

00:46:36.940 Because I did.

00:46:39.540 And I found some things.

00:46:41.360 Again, I don't think

00:46:42.300 we should hold this against him.

00:46:43.280 I think if they want

00:46:43.780 to go to the party,

00:46:44.380 they should.

00:46:44.920 But if we're going

00:46:46.380 to turn it into a sexist thing,

00:46:48.720 there are some things

00:46:49.500 to know about Flav.

00:46:50.940 Like, in 1991,

00:46:53.220 he pleaded guilty

00:46:53.820 to assaulting his then-girlfriend,

00:46:55.240 Karen Ross,

00:46:55.840 served 30 days in jail

00:46:56.880 and lost custody

00:46:57.900 of his children

00:46:58.420 amid struggles with addiction.

00:47:00.340 In 1993,

00:47:01.420 faced charges including

00:47:02.200 attempted murder

00:47:02.960 for shooting at a neighbor

00:47:04.100 and additional domestic violence

00:47:06.040 and drug possession allegations.

00:47:07.580 In 2012,

00:47:08.380 he was arrested in Vegas

00:47:09.340 on felony charges

00:47:10.180 after allegedly assaulting

00:47:11.280 his fiancée, Elizabeth,

00:47:13.140 and threatening her teenage son

00:47:14.240 with a knife.

00:47:14.960 Later pleaded guilty

00:47:15.640 to a reduced misdemeanor charges,

00:47:17.140 attempted battery

00:47:17.740 with substantial bodily harm

00:47:19.720 and domestic violence.

00:47:20.980 In 2014,

00:47:21.680 received probation

00:47:22.260 and attended counseling.

00:47:23.240 In 2021,

00:47:23.880 arrested in Nevada

00:47:24.660 for misdemeanor

00:47:26.080 domestic battery.

00:47:26.880 Allegations included

00:47:28.220 poking,

00:47:29.140 grabbing a female household member,

00:47:30.600 throwing her down

00:47:31.120 and taking her phone.

00:47:32.340 The domestic battery charge

00:47:33.280 was later dropped and dismissed.

00:47:34.660 He pleaded no contest

00:47:35.460 to a misdemeanor coercion charge

00:47:37.700 and paid fines.

00:47:39.480 I'm just saying this,

00:47:41.180 you know,

00:47:42.160 everyone's got problems.

00:47:44.520 Just,

00:47:45.180 if we're going to be

00:47:45.720 making a statement

00:47:46.500 about how women

00:47:47.600 should be treated,

00:47:48.620 he might not be

00:47:49.420 your ideal host.

00:47:50.920 You know,

00:47:51.620 I have to say,

00:47:52.400 when they turned down Trump,

00:47:53.920 I did have a moment

00:47:55.320 when I started,

00:47:56.920 was startled

00:47:57.720 because I thought like,

00:47:58.700 you know,

00:47:59.120 you win a gold medal

00:48:00.760 at the Olympics,

00:48:01.360 you want to go to the White House

00:48:02.260 and celebrate,

00:48:02.860 I would think.

00:48:03.660 But I did think about it.

00:48:04.940 They were very polite

00:48:05.720 about their turndown.

00:48:06.540 It was not a political turndown.

00:48:07.860 They didn't say,

00:48:08.400 we can't go

00:48:08.980 because we hate this president.

00:48:10.180 They say,

00:48:10.520 we have other appointments.

00:48:11.680 And you can imagine

00:48:12.500 if, say,

00:48:13.400 enough people on your team

00:48:14.780 had to be somewhere,

00:48:16.500 all of you might say,

00:48:17.780 well,

00:48:17.980 if they can't go,

00:48:19.260 we're all going to not go.

00:48:20.740 And as you point out.

00:48:22.060 Or even,

00:48:22.840 even Andrew,

00:48:23.540 if they were saying,

00:48:24.360 it's kind of a political thing,

00:48:26.440 so we're just going to stay out of it

00:48:27.700 because, you know,

00:48:28.320 we don't want to even touch

00:48:29.160 anything political.

00:48:30.080 That'd be fine too.

00:48:31.060 Keep going.

00:48:31.380 Yeah,

00:48:31.580 but I do think like,

00:48:32.860 it may come out

00:48:33.900 that they are anti-Trump,

00:48:35.100 but I sort of doubt it.

00:48:36.640 I mean,

00:48:37.040 people,

00:48:37.820 most of the people

00:48:38.540 who go to the Olympics.

00:48:39.340 They're also hockey players.

00:48:40.240 Yeah,

00:48:40.460 and most of the people

00:48:41.180 who go to the Olympics

00:48:41.840 are there to represent the USA

00:48:43.080 and they're proud to do it.

00:48:44.220 It's only the press

00:48:45.020 that pushes this on everybody

00:48:46.460 and it pushes it on everybody.

00:48:48.140 You're not allowed,

00:48:48.820 I mean,

00:48:49.120 this happens in showbiz too.

00:48:50.580 You're not allowed

00:48:51.300 to not have an opinion

00:48:52.560 and you're certainly not allowed

00:48:54.080 to have a right-wing opinion.

00:48:55.400 So even people,

00:48:56.560 even actors who I know

00:48:58.240 and writers too,

00:48:59.180 who I know for a fact

00:49:00.260 are conservatives

00:49:00.780 won't come out and say it

00:49:02.160 and they just say,

00:49:02.840 I'm not political

00:49:03.440 and that becomes sort of a shibboleth

00:49:05.760 for I'm conservative

00:49:07.020 and the press goes mad.

00:49:08.500 But I don't understand.

00:49:10.120 It is that absolute conviction

00:49:11.800 that there is one right opinion

00:49:13.520 and everything else is hatefulness.

00:49:15.340 And I just can't stand it.

00:49:16.940 I think it is the most small-minded,

00:49:18.600 pinch-hearted thing I've ever seen.

00:49:20.600 And it's infecting so much of the country,

00:49:23.660 this idea that we cannot get along.

00:49:25.780 And I don't believe,

00:49:26.580 I actually don't believe

00:49:27.620 that 70% of the country agree with it.

00:49:29.960 I mean, I think most people actually

00:49:31.800 are willing to listen to others

00:49:33.600 and, you know, act in their real lives.

00:49:35.840 But I think social media

00:49:37.140 basically emphasizes it

00:49:38.840 and the left just will not let it go.

00:49:42.200 And the fact, you know,

00:49:43.640 the fact that they own the media,

00:49:44.940 so much of the news media

00:49:46.060 or at least have until now

00:49:48.020 has really been a bad influence

00:49:49.960 on all of this.

00:49:51.760 I have to ask you,

00:49:53.660 are you,

00:49:54.680 can you stay for an extra 10 minutes, Andrew?

00:49:56.320 Because I am dying to ask you

00:49:58.480 about what happened

00:49:59.320 at the BAFTA Awards

00:50:00.880 on Sunday night.

00:50:02.500 And given your Hollywood connections,

00:50:04.480 you're the perfect person.

00:50:05.720 And we have to talk State of the Union too.

00:50:07.440 All right.

00:50:07.660 So I've got to,

00:50:08.300 I'm going to have to take a break in a second.

00:50:09.720 And then we'll come back with Andrew

00:50:11.160 and we'll do a couple of other subjects

00:50:12.940 in the news.

00:50:15.020 So, yes,

00:50:15.740 I think it's too soon

00:50:16.780 to be angry at the women.

00:50:17.960 But I will say,

00:50:18.940 like the amount of

00:50:20.300 even male meltdown over this,

00:50:21.860 listen to this guy,

00:50:22.600 Boston Bryan.

00:50:23.640 Can we squeeze him in?

00:50:24.500 Just go for it.

00:50:25.200 SOT 12.

00:50:26.020 I just want to go on

00:50:27.360 and reiterate that Team USA

00:50:28.960 can, in fact,

00:50:30.040 stick those gold medals

00:50:31.020 straight up their fucking asses.

00:50:33.060 Okay?

00:50:33.720 It doesn't matter what you did.

00:50:35.240 It doesn't matter who you recognize.

00:50:36.820 It doesn't matter how proud

00:50:37.840 you made people

00:50:38.480 during the fucking Olympics.

00:50:39.500 If you're going to go and talk to a pedophile,

00:50:41.580 if you're going to go and talk

00:50:42.600 to Jeffrey Epstein's best friend,

00:50:44.140 if you're going to go and meet

00:50:45.000 Jeffrey Epstein's best friend,

00:50:46.720 if you're going to party

00:50:47.420 and drink beers with Cash Patel,

00:50:49.020 the guy in power,

00:50:50.060 actively covering up

00:50:51.040 the world's largest

00:50:52.160 sex trafficking ring of children,

00:50:54.400 then you can fuck yourselves.

00:50:55.980 Okay?

00:50:56.200 You can cross-eyed piece of shit

00:50:57.500 Cash Patel

00:50:58.180 having him in the fucking locker room.

00:51:00.040 If you don't think

00:51:00.560 that makes a fucking political statement

00:51:02.040 and opens you up

00:51:03.020 to retribution,

00:51:04.560 you're even fucking dumber

00:51:05.900 than I thought.

00:51:06.920 So either fucking ship

00:51:07.900 the gold back to Canada

00:51:08.940 or fucking choke on him.

00:51:10.480 So fuck Team USA.

00:51:12.040 Fuck the men's hockey team.

00:51:14.080 He seems nice.

00:51:14.960 Very nice.

00:51:15.580 He's with Midas Touch,

00:51:17.360 which is a far left

00:51:18.060 podcasting group.

00:51:19.480 I don't know.

00:51:19.700 Like, the insanity runs.

00:51:21.560 It's cross-gender on this one.

00:51:23.980 And I wonder now

00:51:25.800 if you think

00:51:26.380 these guys

00:51:27.400 are going to keep

00:51:29.060 getting asked about this.

00:51:30.200 You know what I mean?

00:51:30.520 Is this going to turn into

00:51:31.380 the dominant narrative

00:51:32.200 when they're interviewed?

00:51:33.020 I think eventually

00:51:33.940 they're going to be embarrassed

00:51:34.880 to do this

00:51:35.360 because everybody else

00:51:36.240 is for them

00:51:36.980 so strongly.

00:51:38.620 I hope that's true

00:51:39.700 because the left

00:51:41.200 is persistent

00:51:41.780 and they will do this.

00:51:42.880 They will hunt them down

00:51:43.860 just like they do

00:51:44.800 with J.K. Rowling,

00:51:45.860 just like they did

00:51:46.520 with Chick-fil-A.

00:51:47.360 They will hunt them down

00:51:48.200 as long as they can.

00:51:49.380 But in this case,

00:51:50.220 they might be ashamed.

00:51:51.660 It's just possible

00:51:52.640 if they have any capacity

00:51:53.740 for shame left

00:51:54.540 that this might do it.

00:51:56.020 Yeah, that's a very hopeful thought

00:51:57.260 that they might.

00:51:58.460 Dream on.

00:51:58.880 We'll see.

00:51:59.420 We will find out together,

00:52:00.700 especially when they appear

00:52:01.700 at the State of the Union tonight.

00:52:02.840 and we'll speak about that

00:52:03.980 with Andrew right after this.

00:52:06.040 You know what Pure Talk's

00:52:07.040 favorite holiday is?

00:52:08.500 Well, we just celebrated it,

00:52:09.660 President's Day,

00:52:10.440 because they believe

00:52:11.440 wireless service

00:52:12.380 should only cost you

00:52:13.340 a couple of presidents.

00:52:14.720 Just a little Jackson

00:52:15.700 and a little Lincoln,

00:52:16.660 to be exact.

00:52:17.820 Yes, for just $25 a month,

00:52:19.480 Pure Talk gives you

00:52:20.780 unlimited talk, text,

00:52:21.940 and plenty of data.

00:52:23.100 Now compare that

00:52:24.000 to Big Wireless.

00:52:25.200 They would rather celebrate

00:52:26.300 Benjamin Franklin Day

00:52:27.460 so they can charge

00:52:28.460 your family hundreds

00:52:29.460 every month.

00:52:30.520 That's not right.

00:52:31.260 You deserve better.

00:52:32.840 Pure Talk is an American

00:52:33.840 wireless company

00:52:34.680 that supports our veterans

00:52:36.500 and invests in a U.S.-only

00:52:38.300 customer service team.

00:52:39.720 So when you call,

00:52:40.760 you're talking to someone

00:52:41.460 right here at home.

00:52:42.900 Pure Talk uses the same towers

00:52:44.300 as the big carriers,

00:52:45.540 so enjoy superior 5G coverage

00:52:47.420 without the inflated price.

00:52:49.280 Just $25 a month

00:52:50.540 for talk, text,

00:52:51.700 and plenty of data.

00:52:52.780 No contract,

00:52:53.540 no cancellation fee.

00:52:54.960 What are you waiting for?

00:52:56.000 Just dial pound 250

00:52:57.320 and say keyword Megan Kelly,

00:52:59.320 and you will get 50% off

00:53:01.140 your first month.

00:53:01.980 Again, dial pound 250

00:53:03.720 and say Megan Kelly

00:53:05.340 to make the switch

00:53:06.460 to Pure Talk.

00:53:07.300 Andrew Klavan is back

00:53:14.300 with me now

00:53:14.920 of the Andrew Klavan show

00:53:16.800 over on the Daily Wire.

00:53:19.180 So just while we were

00:53:20.420 in break,

00:53:21.740 the following happened.

00:53:24.700 This NHL hockey player

00:53:26.460 named Dylan Strom

00:53:28.140 went to Disney

00:53:30.240 with his daughter,

00:53:31.300 and the NHL tweeted it out,

00:53:33.600 the two of them sitting

00:53:34.440 in front of Disney princess costumes,

00:53:36.300 clearly in the Cinderella store there,

00:53:39.000 and they wrote,

00:53:39.960 Dylan Strom is the ultimate girl dad,

00:53:41.600 and his hat actually reads girl dad,

00:53:43.900 and he's got a little tiara

00:53:45.600 on top of it.

00:53:46.460 It's very cute.

00:53:47.200 It's obviously one hat,

00:53:49.260 and apparently,

00:53:51.760 according to Greg Price on X,

00:53:54.980 the pronoun people

00:53:55.820 in the replies

00:53:56.760 with unhinged comments

00:53:58.780 went nuts,

00:54:00.120 and he posted some of them,

00:54:01.720 like laughing

00:54:03.520 and a misogynistic joke,

00:54:05.080 a rapist,

00:54:05.800 and a pedophile,

00:54:07.320 more like the worst girl dad ever.

00:54:11.180 That's just one example

00:54:12.920 of the kind of feedback

00:54:13.800 they were getting.

00:54:15.360 Then there's weird

00:54:15.920 that you chose today

00:54:16.820 to post this.

00:54:17.500 Did something happen?

00:54:19.260 Not using the daughter

00:54:20.400 as a human shield.

00:54:21.880 My God, today.

00:54:23.780 A girl dad would put out

00:54:25.000 a statement

00:54:25.400 that he meant no harm

00:54:26.900 by laughing along

00:54:27.640 with a convicted rapist.

00:54:29.280 Okay, so you see

00:54:30.200 how it's going, right?

00:54:30.920 The NHL deleted the tweet,

00:54:33.880 and guess what?

00:54:36.200 Dylan Strom is Canadian

00:54:37.860 and did not even play

00:54:39.420 on the Olympic team

00:54:40.820 for the U.S. men's

00:54:42.540 or the Canadian men's teams.

00:54:44.700 He's just an NHL hockey player

00:54:46.520 who's not even American,

00:54:49.980 taking this shit.

00:54:51.420 I mean, it's just, okay.

00:54:52.800 In better news,

00:54:54.700 the actual U.S. men's players

00:54:57.240 have just landed

00:54:59.840 in D.C., I believe.

00:55:03.620 They posted this picture,

00:55:05.180 and they are on

00:55:06.380 one of the president's

00:55:09.300 Air Force One jets.

00:55:10.720 I didn't realize

00:55:11.220 we had more than one,

00:55:12.320 but there's apparently two,

00:55:14.580 at least.

00:55:15.100 And look at this picture.

00:55:15.980 So great, Andrew,

00:55:16.780 with the guys holding the flags,

00:55:18.560 getting off on the tarmac here

00:55:20.100 as they make their way over

00:55:21.840 eventually today

00:55:22.700 to Capitol Hill

00:55:24.040 where all heroes go

00:55:26.540 and to see the president.

00:55:30.420 It's great because

00:55:31.040 even when they landed in Miami,

00:55:33.940 they,

00:55:35.340 I saw this online.

00:55:36.660 I didn't know this was a thing,

00:55:37.720 but they were saying

00:55:38.380 that they got this, like,

00:55:39.440 salute at the Miami airport

00:55:41.440 with these, like,

00:55:43.620 fire hoses.

00:55:44.460 The firemen did it,

00:55:45.180 like, to do sort of a rainbow

00:55:46.400 over the plane.

00:55:48.280 But wherever they go,

00:55:49.460 they're heroes.

00:55:50.040 That's what's real.

00:55:51.360 You know,

00:55:51.680 when they went through

00:55:52.180 the baggage claim,

00:55:53.220 people were chanting,

00:55:54.060 USA, USA,

00:55:55.020 when they were flying into Miami.

00:55:57.420 That's how regular,

00:55:58.740 normal people feel,

00:56:00.000 and it's great.

00:56:00.660 Okay, let me keep going.

00:56:02.100 Speaking of the president

00:56:03.740 in Air Force One.

00:56:05.660 Okay.

00:56:06.780 Even Trump says

00:56:07.860 tonight is going to be

00:56:08.740 a long one.

00:56:09.800 Oh, God.

00:56:10.980 Yeah.

00:56:12.100 Starts at nine.

00:56:13.780 And,

00:56:15.180 like, what do you expect?

00:56:17.420 Because it's not that

00:56:18.880 they've never boycotted

00:56:19.820 the State of the Union before.

00:56:20.820 These Dems.

00:56:21.580 But it seems like

00:56:22.280 quite a few of them

00:56:22.920 are not even going to show up.

00:56:24.020 They're doing their

00:56:24.460 counter-programming.

00:56:25.360 Yeah.

00:56:26.180 And those polls,

00:56:27.700 we talked about them

00:56:28.480 on AM Update this morning.

00:56:30.440 That's our morning

00:56:31.280 news headline podcast, Andrew.

00:56:34.080 Also great is

00:56:35.040 The Morning Wire,

00:56:35.880 which I also listen to every day.

00:56:37.220 Love those guys, too.

00:56:40.340 But the polls are terrible

00:56:41.480 right now for Trump.

00:56:42.220 They're not good.

00:56:42.880 He's, I mean,

00:56:44.120 way underwater

00:56:45.160 with independents.

00:56:45.980 It's like way,

00:56:46.760 way underwater

00:56:47.580 with them.

00:56:48.360 So what would you advise him

00:56:49.780 to say or do tonight

00:56:51.620 to get at those folks,

00:56:53.200 the independents?

00:56:53.900 Well, I'm a big believer,

00:56:55.360 and I used to say this

00:56:56.280 during the Biden administration,

00:56:57.340 when people tell you

00:56:58.640 that they are hurting

00:56:59.700 economically,

00:57:01.060 it is bad

00:57:02.400 practice

00:57:03.740 to bring out

00:57:04.640 your charts

00:57:05.260 and tell them

00:57:05.820 why they're not

00:57:06.400 hurting economically.

00:57:07.640 People know

00:57:08.420 whether they can afford

00:57:09.500 the things they want,

00:57:10.700 whether they can give

00:57:11.380 their children

00:57:11.840 good things,

00:57:12.620 whether they can put

00:57:13.180 food on the table,

00:57:14.080 whether they can pay

00:57:14.700 for the extras

00:57:15.260 that they want to give

00:57:15.900 their kids.

00:57:16.580 People know these things,

00:57:17.820 and if they can't,

00:57:18.860 they can,

00:57:19.400 and they're saying so.

00:57:20.680 So if the negative feelings

00:57:24.580 toward Trump

00:57:25.200 are, as they're said to be,

00:57:27.200 based on the economy,

00:57:28.340 I think you are absolutely right

00:57:30.760 that, one,

00:57:31.860 he should very much

00:57:32.840 acknowledge their pain,

00:57:34.220 and two,

00:57:34.700 it is not in his nature

00:57:35.960 to do that.

00:57:37.200 And I think that

00:57:37.740 that is a serious problem.

00:57:39.840 You know,

00:57:40.440 Trump,

00:57:41.200 all of Trump's

00:57:41.940 great strengths

00:57:42.700 are also his

00:57:43.640 great weaknesses.

00:57:44.420 This is the thing about him.

00:57:45.580 He is a man

00:57:46.120 who will say

00:57:47.240 the logical

00:57:47.820 common sense thing

00:57:48.840 even if it's become

00:57:49.840 outlawed,

00:57:50.720 and yet he says

00:57:51.340 because he has no respect

00:57:52.860 for people who say

00:57:54.740 that you can't say that,

00:57:55.880 he will also say things

00:57:56.800 that are pretty stupid.

00:57:58.080 And one of the things

00:57:59.120 he does,

00:57:59.660 and he did it during COVID,

00:58:00.900 which was very bad for him,

00:58:02.500 was he concentrates

00:58:04.280 on how he's being treated,

00:58:05.740 and he invites you in

00:58:06.900 to participate

00:58:08.800 in that ill treatment.

00:58:10.060 Like he will say,

00:58:11.120 and there's a lot of truth

00:58:11.920 to this,

00:58:12.260 he'll say,

00:58:12.660 it's not me they're after,

00:58:13.660 I'm just standing

00:58:14.540 in their way,

00:58:15.200 they're really after you.

00:58:16.480 There's a lot of truth

00:58:17.180 to that,

00:58:17.680 but there is also a point

00:58:19.080 where he's not suffering

00:58:20.280 what the people are suffering.

00:58:21.520 And if the people

00:58:22.220 are suffering

00:58:22.680 from bad economic feelings,

00:58:24.420 that they're not getting

00:58:25.780 the good things

00:58:26.520 that they want

00:58:27.360 out of life,

00:58:28.200 to talk about

00:58:30.040 the Supreme Court

00:58:31.740 and how it ruled

00:58:32.400 against him,

00:58:33.300 to talk about,

00:58:34.260 you know,

00:58:34.460 his problems

00:58:35.160 and his problems

00:58:35.880 with the press

00:58:36.460 is not the right way to go.

00:58:38.180 I mean,

00:58:38.380 he really does

00:58:39.340 his need to say,

00:58:40.860 look,

00:58:41.080 this is what we're doing.

00:58:42.500 It's not,

00:58:42.720 you know,

00:58:42.920 it's not working right away,

00:58:43.940 but it will work.

00:58:44.860 It will filter down to you

00:58:45.900 and it is coming your way

00:58:47.680 and things are actually better

00:58:48.940 in certain ways

00:58:50.020 that you're not feeling yet.

00:58:50.920 I don't think he's capable

00:58:53.760 of saying that.

00:58:54.800 So I think that the best thing

00:58:56.060 he can do,

00:58:57.360 and his speechwriters,

00:58:58.260 I'm sure,

00:58:58.600 are very keyed into the things

00:58:59.760 he can and can't do.

00:59:00.840 I think the best thing

00:59:01.660 he can do is start to list,

00:59:03.280 make a laundry list

00:59:04.080 of the things he's accomplished,

00:59:05.500 which are not just amazing,

00:59:07.800 they also have been eradicated

00:59:09.460 by the media.

00:59:10.600 The minute he solves a problem,

00:59:12.480 it ceases to exist.

00:59:13.820 So he closes the border.

00:59:15.960 Millions of people

00:59:16.800 are marching over that border

00:59:18.200 while those smiling SOBs

00:59:20.400 went in front of Congress

00:59:21.520 and said the border was secure.

00:59:24.080 Millions,

00:59:24.680 it was an invasion,

00:59:25.440 it was an invasion,

00:59:26.300 that's not an exaggeration.

00:59:28.480 He closed it,

00:59:29.200 he shut the door,

00:59:30.020 bang,

00:59:30.360 it was done.

00:59:31.240 I don't think any other Republican

00:59:32.500 would have done that.

00:59:33.420 Anybody who tells me

00:59:34.720 that Mitt Romney,

00:59:36.100 John McCain,

00:59:36.640 only these people

00:59:37.380 would have done it,

00:59:38.100 no way.

00:59:38.820 He did it because he didn't care

00:59:40.100 what the press was saying.

00:59:42.180 He should remind people of that.

00:59:44.580 He should remind people

00:59:45.340 that crime is way down,

00:59:47.060 death from fentanyl is way down.

00:59:48.140 The actual effect

00:59:49.860 that he is having

00:59:50.740 on drugs being poured

00:59:52.680 into the country

00:59:53.280 is huge.

00:59:54.740 I mean,

00:59:54.920 this is a problem

00:59:55.800 that people in the government

00:59:56.720 thought could never be solved.

00:59:58.480 He's actually made a move

00:59:59.680 towards solving it.

01:00:00.640 Same thing is true

01:00:01.400 in the Middle East.

01:00:02.100 Another problem

01:00:02.780 that because people were stuck

01:00:04.060 on the two-state solution,

01:00:05.420 they thought that could

01:00:06.060 never be solved.

01:00:06.680 He has opened up a path

01:00:07.680 to solving

01:00:08.280 the ineradicable violence

01:00:10.880 in the Middle East.

01:00:12.020 He has done an amazing,

01:00:13.500 amazing thing

01:00:14.280 in the Middle East.

01:00:15.200 So all of those things

01:00:16.380 are things that he should

01:00:17.400 bring to bear,

01:00:18.280 but they are not

01:00:19.120 the kitchen table issues

01:00:21.360 that people seem to be

01:00:22.800 complaining about

01:00:23.680 in the polls.

01:00:24.500 And when he deals

01:00:25.280 with those,

01:00:25.920 a little bit of humility

01:00:27.580 and talking about Trump

01:00:28.700 and humility

01:00:29.180 in the same sentence

01:00:29.920 just makes me laugh

01:00:30.860 on the face of it.

01:00:32.300 A little bit of humility

01:00:33.460 might not be a bad thing.

01:00:35.620 You know,

01:00:36.100 I...

01:00:36.560 Well,

01:00:36.940 the good thing for Trump

01:00:39.620 is unlike yesterday

01:00:40.460 when he met

01:00:40.980 with the Angel families

01:00:41.900 who had lost people,

01:00:43.180 family members,

01:00:43.740 and loved ones

01:00:44.300 to illegal immigrants,

01:00:45.700 which Fox took

01:00:47.580 and News Nation took

01:00:48.600 and I think nobody else took.

01:00:50.000 Right.

01:00:50.600 They're all going to take tonight.

01:00:52.440 So, you know,

01:00:54.160 it's a great opportunity

01:00:55.120 for him to get some

01:00:55.920 of that messaging out there

01:00:56.940 because every network

01:00:58.040 will take it

01:00:58.700 and while not everybody's

01:01:00.140 thrilled to watch

01:01:01.000 two or three hours

01:01:02.800 of a State of the Union,

01:01:04.120 they'll see highlights

01:01:05.140 all tomorrow.

01:01:06.120 And the news cycle's

01:01:07.020 not that hot right now,

01:01:08.540 so CNN will play clips,

01:01:10.720 so will MS.

01:01:12.320 And even if there are clips

01:01:13.240 that they think are bad for Trump,

01:01:14.580 Trump clearly is not going

01:01:15.560 to think they're bad clips

01:01:16.300 because he put them

01:01:17.140 in his State of the Union address,

01:01:18.200 so that's good for him.

01:01:19.500 Your comment about

01:01:20.480 his strengths

01:01:21.160 or his weaknesses,

01:01:22.320 it reminds me of this.

01:01:23.440 I've done this before.

01:01:23.980 This is Total Trump

01:01:24.840 from Jumanji.

01:01:26.420 Watch.

01:01:27.760 Strength is my weakness.

01:01:30.260 Hey, can I...

01:01:31.080 Quick question.

01:01:32.340 How is strength my weakness?

01:01:34.600 Somebody explain that to me.

01:01:37.800 It's funny because...

01:01:38.680 That's where you come in.

01:01:39.740 It's true of all of us.

01:01:40.880 All of us,

01:01:41.340 we have these salient traits

01:01:43.260 and they're usually

01:01:44.120 the best thing about us

01:01:45.260 and they also play

01:01:46.440 into the worst thing about us.

01:01:47.640 If you're a truth teller,

01:01:48.600 you might also be a big mouth,

01:01:49.900 something I'm pretty used to.

01:01:51.980 You know,

01:01:52.300 things that are your virtues.

01:01:54.000 Yeah,

01:01:54.260 the things that are your virtues

01:01:55.520 are also your deficits.

01:01:57.820 And with Trump,

01:01:58.320 he's such a big character

01:01:59.380 that he has big virtues

01:02:00.720 and big deficits.

01:02:01.800 He has changed

01:02:02.980 the way the game is played.

01:02:05.180 And so much

01:02:06.120 of what he does

01:02:07.340 is attacked

01:02:08.100 not because

01:02:09.100 what was happening

01:02:10.200 before was working

01:02:11.180 but because it was

01:02:12.100 never done before.

01:02:13.540 You know,

01:02:13.800 it's like we...

01:02:14.480 Let's not lead

01:02:15.700 with the two-state solution

01:02:16.820 in the Middle East.

01:02:17.940 Let's just close the border.

01:02:19.720 Let's deport people

01:02:20.800 who shouldn't be here

01:02:22.020 or, you know,

01:02:23.080 are here illegally.

01:02:24.320 And everybody knows,

01:02:26.040 you know,

01:02:26.300 that's going to be

01:02:26.960 the third rail.

01:02:27.900 Everybody's going to see

01:02:28.540 the evil pictures

01:02:29.540 of people crying

01:02:30.400 and weeping

01:02:30.900 on the air.

01:02:31.820 But once again,

01:02:33.140 I just have to point

01:02:34.580 this out again

01:02:35.060 that we're dealing

01:02:35.620 with a party

01:02:36.560 that is often ineffective

01:02:38.200 on the right

01:02:38.880 but does actually appreciate

01:02:40.980 this country

01:02:41.760 and what it means.

01:02:42.860 And another party

01:02:43.840 that only brings up

01:02:44.820 American values

01:02:45.620 to hurt America.

01:02:46.600 The only time

01:02:47.500 you hear Democrats

01:02:48.400 care about

01:02:49.540 whether people are treated

01:02:50.520 with, you know,

01:02:52.800 their due rights

01:02:53.820 is when those people

01:02:54.640 are gangsters,

01:02:55.860 America haters,

01:02:57.040 Chinese nationals.

01:02:58.460 You know,

01:02:58.700 you never hear

01:02:59.560 of a church-going,

01:03:01.400 you know,

01:03:01.640 ordinary person.

01:03:03.380 They're saying,

01:03:04.100 oh, you know,

01:03:04.700 when they broke

01:03:05.880 into that church

01:03:06.620 and started protesting

01:03:07.820 and screaming

01:03:08.400 and making the children cry,

01:03:09.520 that was a terrible thing

01:03:10.440 to do.

01:03:10.720 That was a violation

01:03:11.340 of American rights.

01:03:12.220 You never hear

01:03:12.960 the left say that.

01:03:13.940 They only say it

01:03:14.940 when villains

01:03:15.680 and thugs

01:03:16.720 and anti-Americans

01:03:17.780 are mistreated.

01:03:19.400 So you blow up

01:03:20.020 some drug dealers

01:03:20.740 in the middle of the ocean

01:03:21.700 and I'm all for it,

01:03:22.840 by the way,

01:03:23.520 but suddenly,

01:03:24.300 oh, they didn't have

01:03:24.900 their habeas corpus rights,

01:03:26.740 you know,

01:03:27.160 paid attention to.

01:03:28.340 Whereas if,

01:03:29.120 if you arrest somebody

01:03:31.400 for going to church

01:03:32.220 or for,

01:03:33.140 you know,

01:03:33.560 wandering into the Capitol

01:03:34.800 when he shouldn't be

01:03:35.440 in the Capitol,

01:03:36.260 all of that,

01:03:36.920 we don't have to worry

01:03:37.580 about habeas corpus

01:03:38.340 and due process at all.

01:03:39.880 So, you know,

01:03:40.720 I think if Trump

01:03:41.560 can just come forward

01:03:42.540 as pro-America,

01:03:44.940 if he can come forward

01:03:46.060 as understanding

01:03:46.900 that there are people

01:03:47.620 out there

01:03:48.020 who are not doing

01:03:48.880 as well as other people,

01:03:50.300 and if he can put forward

01:03:51.460 the things he's done so far

01:03:52.780 and the things

01:03:53.280 that he is planning to do,

01:03:54.920 you know,

01:03:55.300 he has a shot

01:03:56.120 of making an impression.

01:03:57.780 The State of the Union...

01:03:59.500 I'm turning these numbers

01:04:00.320 around a little bit.

01:04:01.740 Let's hope.

01:04:02.300 I mean, let's hope.

01:04:02.960 The truth is,

01:04:03.940 these things,

01:04:04.600 even with Trump,

01:04:05.320 tend to be mind-numbingly boring.

01:04:08.840 There'll be some moments.

01:04:10.000 My own recommendation

01:04:10.840 for what it's worth

01:04:11.640 is maybe just catch

01:04:13.420 the highlight reel

01:04:14.140 on the Megyn Kelly show

01:04:15.600 tomorrow

01:04:15.840 with the Real Clear Politics guys.

01:04:17.280 We'll bring you

01:04:17.780 all the fun

01:04:18.400 and important moments.

01:04:20.380 If you want to watch

01:04:21.260 the whole thing,

01:04:22.640 I'd watch it on Fox.

01:04:24.000 I would definitely

01:04:24.640 not be watching it,

01:04:25.440 although it could be

01:04:26.000 kind of fun to watch it

01:04:26.820 on MSNBC

01:04:27.440 and just see the balloons

01:04:28.660 and how they...

01:04:29.220 Sometimes that's just

01:04:29.860 like entertaining.

01:04:31.340 Anyway, up to you guys.

01:04:32.820 Okay, we've got to talk

01:04:34.340 about what happened

01:04:34.880 at the BAFTAs,

01:04:36.200 which is the British Oscars.

01:04:38.420 The BAFTAs was on Sunday night

01:04:40.800 and one of the movies

01:04:45.120 being like honored

01:04:46.780 is a movie called

01:04:48.720 I Swear.

01:04:49.600 And it's a movie

01:04:51.200 about John Davidson

01:04:53.340 who was diagnosed

01:04:55.320 with Tourette's syndrome

01:04:57.360 at the age of 25.

01:04:59.360 The symptoms first began

01:05:00.320 when he was 12.

01:05:01.700 They included tics,

01:05:03.360 include present day,

01:05:05.120 and uncontrollable outbursts,

01:05:06.820 often involving cursing.

01:05:10.720 A number of outbursts

01:05:12.800 could be heard

01:05:13.300 throughout the BAFTA ceremony,

01:05:14.780 reading here from Variety,

01:05:16.400 including,

01:05:17.440 shut the fuck up,

01:05:18.180 being shouted

01:05:18.960 during an introductory speech

01:05:20.820 from the BAFTA chair,

01:05:22.920 Sarah Putt,

01:05:24.220 and fuck you

01:05:25.660 when the directors of Bong,

01:05:27.940 which won for Best Children's

01:05:30.020 and Family Film,

01:05:31.500 accepted their award.

01:05:32.960 Okay, it's kind of funny.

01:05:34.460 Family, family award,

01:05:36.040 and there he's like,

01:05:36.580 fuck off!

01:05:37.460 Okay, sorry,

01:05:38.700 but most people at Tourette's

01:05:40.340 could probably laugh

01:05:40.920 about the absurdity

01:05:41.660 of some of these moments.

01:05:43.360 Anyway,

01:05:44.580 my friend's son

01:05:45.880 developed Tourette's.

01:05:47.200 It was shocking.

01:05:47.900 It came out of nowhere.

01:05:49.280 He got tics and other symptoms,

01:05:50.920 but he actually then outgrew it,

01:05:52.300 which can happen.

01:05:53.960 In any event,

01:05:55.360 there was a very unfortunate moment.

01:05:59.800 It's funny because,

01:06:01.720 like,

01:06:02.040 who made the decision

01:06:03.160 to allow this confluence

01:06:04.420 of things to happen?

01:06:05.540 You know,

01:06:05.840 like,

01:06:06.180 it was just,

01:06:07.440 oh.

01:06:08.480 So they have two black presenters,

01:06:11.200 Michael B. Jordan

01:06:12.060 and Delroy Lindo,

01:06:13.420 presenting the award

01:06:15.240 for best visual effects

01:06:16.820 to the film

01:06:18.140 Avatar Fire and Ash.

01:06:20.380 Both Michael B. Jordan

01:06:21.420 and Lindo are black,

01:06:23.200 and Lindo's appeared

01:06:24.440 in a number of Spike Lee films,

01:06:26.000 among others.

01:06:27.600 And this guy,

01:06:29.120 the actual Tourette's Syndrome guy,

01:06:31.100 who, by the way,

01:06:31.940 everyone should have known

01:06:33.140 what he was suffering with

01:06:35.560 because Alan Cumming,

01:06:36.860 the actor who hosted the event,

01:06:38.660 made it clear throughout,

01:06:39.600 we got a guy here

01:06:40.780 because of this movie.

01:06:42.440 He's got Tourette's.

01:06:43.060 There could be outbursts.

01:06:44.260 Don't take him personally.

01:06:45.240 It's not something he can control.

01:06:47.020 And by the way,

01:06:48.020 the movie itself,

01:06:48.800 I swear,

01:06:49.380 which is very popular,

01:06:50.540 so much so it got this,

01:06:51.380 one of these nominations,

01:06:52.560 shows it at length

01:06:53.660 what this guy goes through.

01:06:54.660 This isn't him.

01:06:55.320 This is an actor portraying him.

01:06:57.300 But look at SOT 24

01:06:58.380 before I get to

01:06:59.060 what happened at the BAFTAs.

01:07:00.260 This is from the movie,

01:07:00.900 I swear.

01:07:01.180 I'm not talking to you.

01:07:02.280 No worries.

01:07:03.480 Be honest,

01:07:03.920 it's nice to have

01:07:04.380 a few minutes off work.

01:07:06.760 Part-time slag.

01:07:07.960 I spugged on the jellyfish.

01:07:09.440 You're a wanker.

01:07:10.140 Did he?

01:07:11.140 Rhodey's got a little cock.

01:07:12.560 Fuck off.

01:07:13.220 I've got a big fucking

01:07:14.620 rabbit in my arse.

01:07:16.600 Fuck you.

01:07:17.600 Cunt.

01:07:19.300 You're that wasted sperm.

01:07:20.960 Your dad's a cunt.

01:07:22.200 My dad's a pedo.

01:07:23.320 I'm a pedo, you know.

01:07:24.540 I'm the leader of the police.

01:07:25.380 I raped a girl, you know.

01:07:26.660 You're on the fender.

01:07:27.560 I'm a fucker, you know.

01:07:29.000 My dad shagged your hat.

01:07:30.140 My dad's a fucking jellyfish.

01:07:32.840 What's it going?

01:07:34.600 You're a flabby, cunt.

01:07:36.240 Mama's a priest.

01:07:37.260 You're a priest, you cunt.

01:07:38.940 You don't wank, Sting.

01:07:47.080 It's a lot.

01:07:47.860 They're showing two people

01:07:48.480 outside of their car.

01:07:53.200 And even they are able

01:07:54.240 to laugh at themselves

01:07:55.020 in this movie.

01:07:55.760 Again, it's a portrayal

01:07:56.940 of John Davidson's life.

01:07:58.540 Well, here's what happened

01:07:59.760 when Michael B

01:08:00.540 and Delroy Lindo

01:08:03.300 got up to present

01:08:04.340 that award.

01:08:05.260 I warn the listening audience,

01:08:07.220 you're going to hear

01:08:08.080 the N-word.

01:08:09.100 It's pretty clear.

01:08:10.520 We decided not to bleep it

01:08:11.740 because we want you to see

01:08:12.680 what the controversy is about

01:08:13.900 and how this played

01:08:14.680 in the room.

01:08:17.120 Delroy and I are delighted

01:08:18.420 to be presenting

01:08:19.080 the first BAFTA of the night

01:08:20.420 for a vital part

01:08:21.520 of movie making.

01:08:24.940 We're here to celebrate.

01:08:26.480 OMG.

01:08:28.980 Yeah.

01:08:29.700 So now everyone's

01:08:31.560 having a meltdown.

01:08:32.480 Like everybody.

01:08:34.800 They're blaming the actor

01:08:36.120 or they're blaming the BAFTAs.

01:08:37.860 They're blaming the studios.

01:08:39.020 They're blaming BBC

01:08:39.860 for not editing it

01:08:41.320 from the aired program,

01:08:42.920 which didn't come on the air

01:08:43.820 until two hours later.

01:08:44.740 What do you make of this?

01:08:45.920 Well, it's very sad.

01:08:47.800 One of the things

01:08:48.560 I've dealt with people

01:08:50.140 with Tourette's as well.

01:08:51.120 And one of the things

01:08:51.900 about Tourette's

01:08:52.520 is what makes it funny,

01:08:54.400 what makes us laugh

01:08:55.940 helplessly at it,

01:08:56.900 is that we have all

01:08:57.860 had moments

01:08:58.340 when we have kept

01:08:58.980 our thoughts to ourselves.

01:09:01.660 And it has the effect

01:09:03.320 when Tourette's

01:09:04.100 has the effect

01:09:04.680 of looking like

01:09:05.340 these people can't keep

01:09:06.420 their thoughts to themselves,

01:09:07.520 that this is what

01:09:08.220 they're really thinking.

01:09:10.140 And that's it.

01:09:10.460 Oh yeah.

01:09:10.660 I mean, I think I have this.

01:09:12.400 I mean, the thing is

01:09:15.500 like looking in a mirror.

01:09:16.840 The thing is,

01:09:17.120 it's not true.

01:09:18.300 You know, it's a tick.

01:09:19.140 It's an actual tick.

01:09:19.940 But they do say

01:09:20.980 the worst possible thing.

01:09:22.540 So it does come across

01:09:23.620 as if they're saying

01:09:24.420 what people are really thinking.

01:09:26.120 Actually, I thought

01:09:26.880 the actors chose to ignore it.

01:09:29.260 It clearly shocked them.

01:09:30.280 You could see it in their eyes.

01:09:31.540 But they chose to ignore it.

01:09:32.740 I thought they did

01:09:33.160 the right thing.

01:09:34.220 And then they sort of

01:09:35.100 had to apologize

01:09:35.800 for doing the right thing

01:09:36.900 because why didn't they

01:09:37.720 stand up, you know,

01:09:38.960 against this terrible,

01:09:40.420 terrible word

01:09:41.280 which has been turned

01:09:42.000 into sort of the worst word

01:09:43.180 in the world.

01:09:44.600 And I just think

01:09:45.480 it was just, you know,

01:09:47.220 a sad thing

01:09:48.500 and a little bit of,

01:09:49.520 this is one of those occasions

01:09:50.880 when saying a little bit less

01:09:52.380 might be the right thing to do.

01:09:53.600 The guy has Tourette's.

01:09:54.460 This is what it's like.

01:09:55.440 You know,

01:09:55.760 it happened at a very embarrassing moment

01:09:57.600 but it's worse for him

01:09:59.140 than it is for anybody else.

01:10:00.620 It's worse for him.

01:10:01.260 If you're going to have him.

01:10:02.560 Yeah.

01:10:03.380 Yeah, if you're going to have him

01:10:04.160 at the ceremony

01:10:04.760 then you're going to have to

01:10:05.700 like realize

01:10:06.540 this is what happens.

01:10:07.640 Andrew, I know you've got to run.

01:10:08.380 Thank you so much

01:10:09.300 for being here

01:10:09.780 and for sticking around.

01:10:10.440 Always a pleasure, Megan.

01:10:11.200 It's good to see you.

01:10:12.800 Oh, the pleasure's ours.

01:10:14.160 I want to keep this going

01:10:15.040 just for one more minute though

01:10:15.840 because I have a couple other

01:10:16.520 things to tell you about it.

01:10:18.100 So it was not just accepted

01:10:19.580 that this was

01:10:20.360 normal Tourette's behavior.

01:10:22.640 Jamie Foxx, the actor,

01:10:23.980 he commented below a post

01:10:25.740 about the incident

01:10:26.460 on social media

01:10:27.320 saying unacceptable

01:10:28.640 and nah,

01:10:30.300 he meant that shit.

01:10:32.020 I mean like

01:10:32.640 that's bullshit.

01:10:35.000 Like,

01:10:35.160 do you know anything

01:10:35.940 about Tourette's?

01:10:37.000 Because they say

01:10:38.020 people with this syndrome

01:10:39.120 say the most incendiary things.

01:10:41.740 It's like

01:10:42.140 I don't think it's true

01:10:43.720 to say we're all running around

01:10:44.900 thinking these absolutely

01:10:46.180 terrible things

01:10:46.940 and it's only like

01:10:48.000 our conscience

01:10:48.580 and our non-ticking

01:10:49.660 that stops us

01:10:50.800 from seeing them.

01:10:51.500 It's almost like the syndrome,

01:10:52.440 it's not almost like,

01:10:53.140 it is that the syndrome

01:10:54.640 like makes you

01:10:56.440 go to the most

01:10:58.120 outrageous place mentally

01:10:59.660 and then burst it out.

01:11:01.280 It's a nightmare.

01:11:02.260 That's a nightmare.

01:11:03.860 This guy was embarrassed.

01:11:05.100 He left.

01:11:05.840 Apparently they didn't

01:11:06.460 throw him out,

01:11:06.880 they said.

01:11:07.600 They said he left voluntarily

01:11:09.020 of his own accord

01:11:10.580 for the second half.

01:11:12.940 But the,

01:11:13.240 Prince William and Kate

01:11:14.960 were in the audience.

01:11:17.440 I mean,

01:11:18.080 it's like so uncomfortable,

01:11:19.540 right?

01:11:19.720 So it's like

01:11:20.220 maybe you invite him

01:11:21.920 and you give him

01:11:22.440 a special backstage position

01:11:24.780 where he can meet

01:11:25.920 all the actors

01:11:26.680 face-to-face in private

01:11:27.800 but, you know,

01:11:28.940 that kind of a remark

01:11:29.880 won't wind up

01:11:31.640 going out on the airwaves.

01:11:33.580 Here's Jemele Hill

01:11:34.960 who, like,

01:11:36.600 listen,

01:11:37.080 and of course

01:11:37.340 she takes it to an extreme

01:11:38.240 but she writes,

01:11:38.780 Black people

01:11:39.440 are just supposed to be

01:11:40.680 okay with being

01:11:41.640 disrespected

01:11:42.520 and dehumanized

01:11:44.140 so that other people

01:11:45.560 don't feel bad.

01:11:47.160 Like,

01:11:47.600 what do you mean?

01:11:49.340 Like,

01:11:49.920 were they supposed

01:11:50.440 to scold him?

01:11:51.800 The whole fucking movie

01:11:53.200 is about this syndrome

01:11:54.540 and him

01:11:55.360 and how it is

01:11:56.500 uncontrollable,

01:11:58.180 Jemele.

01:11:59.680 Now,

01:11:59.920 having said that,

01:12:01.000 they did put these actors

01:12:02.440 in a very uncomfortable position

01:12:04.560 because it could have been

01:12:06.080 Black men

01:12:06.760 being called the N-word

01:12:08.060 or it could have been

01:12:09.020 that other,

01:12:10.540 you know,

01:12:10.800 as I said,

01:12:11.360 the person who was

01:12:12.240 the BAFTA chair

01:12:14.840 having,

01:12:16.480 fuck you,

01:12:17.320 shouted at her

01:12:18.200 or shut the fuck up

01:12:19.360 or the directors of Bong

01:12:20.820 fuck you

01:12:21.880 and fuck up.

01:12:22.380 Like,

01:12:22.580 okay,

01:12:23.060 I would say that

01:12:24.540 everyone there

01:12:25.340 who was presenting

01:12:26.080 was placed

01:12:26.740 in a very difficult position

01:12:28.840 given this man's syndrome

01:12:30.720 and it,

01:12:31.380 had I been running it,

01:12:32.040 I would have said

01:12:32.480 we'd love to have you

01:12:33.260 given the nature of

01:12:34.200 what you're struggling with

01:12:35.500 which we're clearly aware of

01:12:36.620 as we showed in this film

01:12:37.720 that we've nominated.

01:12:39.380 What do you think

01:12:39.960 of standing backstage

01:12:40.920 where,

01:12:41.940 you know,

01:12:42.260 none of the outbursts

01:12:42.960 will be recorded

01:12:43.660 and disrupt

01:12:44.300 like the future king

01:12:45.820 and queen

01:12:46.720 and the actors

01:12:48.160 and you can meet people?

01:12:50.300 This is not the first time

01:12:51.660 we've encountered Tourette's

01:12:52.820 in the news

01:12:53.500 over the past year or two.

01:12:54.960 I was saying to my team,

01:12:56.480 remember the girl,

01:12:58.240 Fredo Cuomo interviewed her

01:12:59.640 and her name is

01:13:01.920 Baylin Dupree,

01:13:02.660 she's a TikToker

01:13:03.520 and we showed this.

01:13:04.960 Remember,

01:13:05.320 this is what Tourette's

01:13:06.260 does to you.

01:13:06.820 do things like that.

01:13:09.060 I've had parents

01:13:10.060 reach out to me

01:13:10.840 asking me,

01:13:12.060 oh,

01:13:12.260 my son's coming home

01:13:13.280 with a girlfriend

01:13:13.860 and his girlfriend

01:13:14.940 has Tourette's syndrome.

01:13:18.680 So,

01:13:19.480 and then I also get

01:13:21.280 very evil people

01:13:22.640 that will comment

01:13:23.420 and say like,

01:13:24.860 go fuck yourself,

01:13:25.700 Chris,

01:13:26.060 lick your baby in it,

01:13:27.200 blow up your ass,

01:13:28.500 blow your own biscuit,

01:13:29.400 badass,

01:13:30.060 that have told me

01:13:31.780 that my parents

01:13:32.700 deserve to die

01:13:33.960 in a car accident

01:13:34.940 because I'm faking

01:13:36.720 my condition

01:13:37.540 or people have told me

01:13:39.360 that,

01:13:39.960 like,

01:13:40.260 I've had to have

01:13:40.700 the police out of my house

01:13:41.880 because people gave out

01:13:43.420 my location

01:13:44.020 and said they're going

01:13:44.620 to come torch my house.

01:13:45.660 Like,

01:13:45.860 it's crazy.

01:13:48.080 Here's the thing.

01:13:50.060 Clinically,

01:13:51.020 people suck.

01:13:51.940 Okay,

01:13:53.880 so,

01:13:54.460 that's Tourette's.

01:13:56.500 So anyway,

01:13:57.200 it's an unfortunate situation.

01:13:59.260 It is like a shocking thing

01:14:00.860 to see happen,

01:14:01.680 but the absurdity

01:14:03.080 of the BAFTA folks,

01:14:04.740 like putting everyone

01:14:05.620 in this position,

01:14:06.420 from poor John Davidson

01:14:07.780 to the actress

01:14:08.860 who had to present

01:14:09.580 to the prince

01:14:11.300 and princess

01:14:11.840 sitting there,

01:14:12.780 it was an utter fail

01:14:14.080 all around.

01:14:15.140 Now people are resigning

01:14:16.320 from the BAFTA board,

01:14:18.080 I think it was,

01:14:18.700 that we saw

01:14:19.080 on the news today.

01:14:19.960 It's just,

01:14:21.220 yeah.

01:14:21.940 That wound up

01:14:22.840 coming back

01:14:23.440 to haunt everyone.

01:14:25.780 Okay,

01:14:26.760 let's keep going

01:14:27.440 because I want to talk

01:14:28.140 about what happened

01:14:29.240 in New York

01:14:30.260 with the NYPD

01:14:31.740 yesterday.

01:14:32.860 We've had

01:14:33.560 two back-to-back

01:14:35.960 epic snowstorms

01:14:37.440 here in the Northeast,

01:14:38.240 as you've heard

01:14:38.660 about in the news.

01:14:39.800 New York City

01:14:40.640 got absolutely pummeled

01:14:42.540 the first time around.

01:14:43.860 Zoram Mamdani,

01:14:44.740 the new mayor,

01:14:45.320 completely fell down

01:14:46.160 on the job

01:14:46.620 and 19 people died

01:14:47.880 because he didn't want

01:14:49.060 to do homeless sweeps

01:14:50.140 that he thought

01:14:50.620 were inhumane.

01:14:52.100 I guess it's more humane

01:14:53.160 to let them die.

01:14:54.800 Okay,

01:14:55.220 so this time around

01:14:56.020 he reinstituted the sweeps,

01:14:57.640 but now he's dealing

01:14:58.760 with a different controversy

01:14:59.860 because the NYPD

01:15:02.040 came out

01:15:03.420 to deal with,

01:15:04.940 reportedly,

01:15:05.780 it was a massive

01:15:07.340 snowball fight

01:15:08.400 that was happening

01:15:09.120 in one of the parks

01:15:10.500 in New York.

01:15:11.920 And,

01:15:12.180 you know,

01:15:13.040 these things

01:15:13.940 can get nasty

01:15:14.800 and they actually

01:15:15.320 can get dangerous

01:15:16.040 for passers-by.

01:15:16.840 there's no place

01:15:17.440 in New York

01:15:17.840 that's rural

01:15:18.480 where no passerby

01:15:20.240 would be endangered

01:15:20.960 by hundreds of snowballs

01:15:23.460 getting thrown around.

01:15:24.560 So the NYPD

01:15:25.740 goes to try

01:15:26.580 to see

01:15:27.720 if this is orderly

01:15:28.500 and it's not

01:15:29.400 and already

01:15:30.620 like the mob

01:15:31.400 is forming

01:15:31.960 and then

01:15:33.540 they start

01:15:34.800 pelting

01:15:35.820 the cops

01:15:36.860 in the face

01:15:38.040 and I'm talking

01:15:39.240 man,

01:15:40.420 woman,

01:15:41.860 black,

01:15:42.640 white,

01:15:43.000 Hispanic,

01:15:43.640 like you name it,

01:15:44.620 all of these

01:15:46.340 thugs

01:15:47.160 pummeling them

01:15:48.980 over and over

01:15:50.060 in their heads,

01:15:51.360 in their faces,

01:15:52.600 down the back

01:15:53.340 of their necks

01:15:54.020 with massive snowballs

01:15:55.640 and ice.

01:15:57.320 Here's some

01:15:57.880 film of it.

01:15:58.800 Watch.

01:15:58.980 OOOH

01:16:05.100 OOOK

01:16:11.940 YYES

01:16:13.240 GET OUT HERE

01:16:14.380 SCAREDUP

01:16:14.940 OOOH

01:16:19.860 I GOT

01:16:20.800 I GOT

01:16:21.160 I GOT

01:16:21.720 I GOT

01:16:23.420 GOT

01:16:24.280 I GOT

01:16:25.440 I GOT

01:16:25.920 I GOT

01:16:26.060 I GOT

01:16:26.460 I GOT

01:16:28.600 They're being forced to retreat

01:16:54.260 in their police vehicles right now.

01:16:56.940 They're way out now.

01:16:58.600 For the listening audience,

01:17:02.920 there are, I don't know,

01:17:04.080 over 100 people following them,

01:17:06.420 all fully grown adults,

01:17:08.380 male and female attackers,

01:17:11.060 if you will, as well.

01:17:12.260 And we have gone now

01:17:14.560 basically 36 hours or more

01:17:19.620 without the mayor of New York

01:17:22.000 saying anything,

01:17:23.180 anything to back the blue,

01:17:25.740 to say this is unacceptable.

01:17:26.920 You may not do this.

01:17:27.980 The police commissioner came out

01:17:30.100 and said that you will all be criminally charged

01:17:33.380 if they manage to track them down.

01:17:36.000 This is a crime.

01:17:37.480 It's assault.

01:17:38.520 The police union came out

01:17:39.940 and said several of the cops were injured

01:17:41.920 to the point where they had to be treated

01:17:43.320 in the ER.

01:17:45.200 And you get an ice ball in the eye,

01:17:47.060 you're going to the hospital.

01:17:48.260 And now today,

01:17:51.940 just as we came to air,

01:17:52.800 Zoram Amdani finally found the time to tweet.

01:17:57.320 He sent out one tweet,

01:17:59.480 and here's how it reads.

01:18:01.120 I've seen the videos of kids.

01:18:04.260 I've seen the videos of kids

01:18:06.140 throwing snowballs at NYPD officers

01:18:09.020 in Washington Square Park.

01:18:10.220 Listeners,

01:18:12.180 please trust me,

01:18:13.700 these were anything but kids.

01:18:15.760 They were fully grown adults.

01:18:18.380 This was not some child snowball fight

01:18:20.720 that one cop found himself in the middle of.

01:18:23.520 This is a lie.

01:18:25.200 I mean,

01:18:25.420 he is five words into it,

01:18:27.980 and he's lying.

01:18:30.420 Officers,

01:18:30.980 like all city workers,

01:18:32.920 have been out in a historic blizzard

01:18:34.640 keeping New Yorkers safe

01:18:35.780 and cars moving.

01:18:37.580 Treat them with respect.

01:18:39.680 If anyone's catching a snowball,

01:18:41.860 it's me.

01:18:44.220 Not it,

01:18:45.560 sir.

01:18:46.800 Not it at all.

01:18:48.420 You're downplaying,

01:18:49.680 you're minimizing,

01:18:51.220 and you're diminishing,

01:18:52.980 and therefore endangering

01:18:54.820 NYPD,

01:18:56.640 who needs a strong statement

01:18:58.380 like that of the police commissioner.

01:19:00.980 It needs to sound closer to F-A-F-O.

01:19:04.740 And so here's what's happening.

01:19:05.960 He's setting the tone

01:19:06.800 such that

01:19:08.040 if and when any of these folks

01:19:09.900 do get arrested,

01:19:11.580 Alvin Bragg

01:19:12.240 is not going to be all that moved,

01:19:13.860 you see,

01:19:14.280 because he doesn't like to indict people

01:19:15.580 not named Donald Trump.

01:19:17.360 He's not going to be all that moved

01:19:18.520 to indict a snowball.

01:19:20.180 I mean,

01:19:20.380 this is just like the Subway sandwich guy

01:19:21.880 down in Washington, D.C.

01:19:23.200 You know,

01:19:23.500 like that grand jury would indict that.

01:19:25.920 And Alvin Bragg's going to say,

01:19:27.000 I can't,

01:19:27.420 I can't,

01:19:27.740 I'm not going to get this

01:19:28.480 through a New York jury.

01:19:29.420 Come on.

01:19:30.280 It's a snowball.

01:19:31.660 Who wants to go after somebody

01:19:32.640 for throwing a snowball?

01:19:34.320 That's not what we saw on that tape

01:19:35.560 or the next one.

01:19:37.540 It was over and over

01:19:39.140 in the face,

01:19:39.940 in the head.

01:19:40.920 And again,

01:19:41.620 actual injuries,

01:19:42.820 according to the police officers' union

01:19:45.820 and the reporting around this.

01:19:47.840 And I have no problem believing it

01:19:49.360 because it looked bad.

01:19:52.560 Yeah,

01:19:52.800 some were taken to the hospital

01:19:54.240 with lacerations

01:19:55.360 to the face.

01:19:57.380 They were tormented.

01:19:59.020 They were pelted with snowballs

01:20:00.380 at close range

01:20:01.420 as they patrolled the park

01:20:03.260 via the New York Post.

01:20:05.060 At one point,

01:20:06.000 an agitator could be seen

01:20:07.140 dunking a huge chunk of ice

01:20:09.100 onto an officer's head

01:20:11.020 before fleeing.

01:20:13.240 And they were forced to retreat.

01:20:14.960 Jessica Tisch is the New York City

01:20:16.420 police commissioner.

01:20:17.780 Here's exactly what she said.

01:20:19.920 The NYPD is aware

01:20:20.980 of certain videos

01:20:21.600 taken earlier today

01:20:22.440 in Washington Square Park

01:20:23.520 showing individuals attacking cops.

01:20:25.920 I want to be very clear.

01:20:27.420 The behavior depicted

01:20:28.240 is disgraceful

01:20:29.180 and it's criminal.

01:20:30.700 Our detectives

01:20:31.440 are investigating this matter.

01:20:33.440 Then came the union.

01:20:35.700 Unacceptable and outrageous.

01:20:37.460 This is the environment

01:20:38.360 that New York City

01:20:39.040 police officers are up against.

01:20:40.860 Our police officers

01:20:41.660 are being treated

01:20:42.300 for their injuries,

01:20:43.560 but the case cannot end there.

01:20:46.140 The individuals involved

01:20:47.520 must be identified

01:20:48.540 arrested and charged

01:20:49.700 with assault

01:20:50.460 on a police officer.

01:20:52.080 And all of our city leaders

01:20:53.160 must speak up

01:20:53.900 to condemn

01:20:54.520 this despicable attack.

01:20:57.320 And as we came to air today,

01:20:58.580 we hadn't heard anything

01:20:59.420 from Mom Donnie.

01:21:00.220 It took him all that time

01:21:01.800 to come up with,

01:21:03.140 these are just kids.

01:21:04.200 If anyone should be

01:21:05.240 catching a snowball,

01:21:06.620 it's me.

01:21:07.640 Yet another fail

01:21:08.680 by this pathetic excuse

01:21:10.560 for a New York mayor.

01:21:12.900 Okay, we're going to take a break

01:21:14.300 and then next up,

01:21:15.920 a deep dive

01:21:16.540 into the latest

01:21:17.580 of the Nancy Guthrie investigation.

01:21:20.080 Actually, a lot has happened

01:21:21.380 since we last dug in.

01:21:23.100 That's right after this break.

01:21:25.080 Our sponsor,

01:21:26.180 the Electronic Payments Coalition,

01:21:27.600 says Washington politicians

01:21:29.080 are always getting

01:21:29.840 in your wallet

01:21:30.440 and now they're messing

01:21:31.580 with your credit card.

01:21:32.760 They say your credit card

01:21:33.740 and the security offers

01:21:34.900 are under attack

01:21:36.220 and that Senators

01:21:37.200 Dick Durbin

01:21:37.760 and Roger Marshall

01:21:38.580 want to change

01:21:39.440 the nation's payment system

01:21:40.780 to benefit corporate megastores

01:21:42.540 like Walmart and Target

01:21:43.820 at the expense

01:21:44.780 of everyday Americans.

01:21:46.460 Credit cards

01:21:46.860 can keep your payments secure

01:21:48.040 and provide rewards

01:21:49.280 that families use

01:21:50.320 to help make everyday purchases

01:21:51.640 more affordable.

01:21:52.820 The Electronic Payments Coalition

01:21:54.200 says the Durbin Marshall mandates

01:21:55.840 would let corporate megastores

01:21:57.380 cut corners

01:21:57.940 on credit card processing,

01:21:59.640 routing transactions

01:22:00.460 over cheaper,

01:22:01.500 untested networks

01:22:02.440 with weaker security

01:22:03.760 and fewer protections.

01:22:05.360 Find out more

01:22:05.940 at guardyourcard.com

01:22:07.880 and consider telling Congress

01:22:09.320 to guard your card.

01:22:10.800 We are turning now

01:22:15.340 to breaking developments

01:22:16.200 in the Nancy Guthrie case.

01:22:17.920 Multiple outlets

01:22:18.700 are now reporting

01:22:19.660 that sources have confirmed

01:22:21.520 as we discussed

01:22:22.800 right here on the MK Show,

01:22:25.400 these two photos

01:22:26.900 taken of the intruder

01:22:28.620 on Nancy Guthrie's porch

01:22:30.160 the night she was taken

01:22:31.840 were taken on two different days.

01:22:35.040 According to those sources,

01:22:36.480 the image with no backpack

01:22:37.920 was captured sometime

01:22:39.280 before the day

01:22:40.980 of Nancy's suspected abduction.

01:22:44.220 The source is declining

01:22:45.140 to provide a specific date

01:22:46.700 citing the ongoing investigation.

01:22:49.760 Sheriff Nanos, however,

01:22:51.220 telling Fox News,

01:22:52.280 quote,

01:22:52.920 the info that it occurred

01:22:54.360 on a different day

01:22:55.340 did not come from the FBI

01:22:57.700 or from us,

01:22:59.720 meaning the Pima County

01:23:00.620 Sheriff's Department,

01:23:02.000 and that the reports

01:23:03.100 are, quote,

01:23:04.000 purely speculative.

01:23:05.320 But there are

01:23:06.760 multiple outlets now.

01:23:08.300 I mean, like,

01:23:09.020 they all ran to their phones

01:23:11.420 and their digital posts

01:23:13.040 immediately,

01:23:13.800 so clearly somebody

01:23:14.740 decided to spread this word.

01:23:16.420 And I'm not sure

01:23:17.220 the sheriff can speak

01:23:18.160 for the FBI,

01:23:19.680 although it is interesting

01:23:20.620 that he tried to here.

01:23:22.340 But in any event,

01:23:23.120 clearly somebody close

01:23:23.940 to the case put this out

01:23:25.020 to multiple news organizations

01:23:26.840 last night

01:23:27.360 that these are

01:23:28.380 two different people.

01:23:29.720 I'm sorry,

01:23:30.120 not two different people,

01:23:31.180 two different days.

01:23:32.660 We've been saying

01:23:33.200 on this show for weeks now

01:23:34.200 that the two images

01:23:35.280 look like they are

01:23:36.560 from different evenings.

01:23:39.160 If you look at the skyline

01:23:40.480 in the background,

01:23:41.220 one is a much lighter sky

01:23:42.740 the night she was taken,

01:23:43.780 and the other is much darker.

01:23:46.700 And, you know,

01:23:47.820 that is alone reason to ask

01:23:50.040 whether it's the same night.

01:23:51.220 Even though the outfit

01:23:52.300 looks the same,

01:23:54.280 but it doesn't have the backpack,

01:23:56.960 it just didn't look right.

01:23:59.500 Now, we also talked about

01:24:00.720 maybe it's just a weird angle

01:24:02.240 in the one,

01:24:02.700 maybe it was this dark

01:24:04.100 or this light,

01:24:04.620 I don't know,

01:24:05.280 but we discussed

01:24:06.380 with our panel

01:24:06.960 a couple of times

01:24:08.280 about whether

01:24:08.920 this was,

01:24:10.720 these are two different nights

01:24:11.640 and why wouldn't

01:24:12.300 the FBI tell us this?

01:24:13.340 The FBI actually told us

01:24:14.700 in the release of these photos

01:24:16.220 that they were both

01:24:17.840 from the early morning hours

01:24:20.420 when Nancy Guthrie

01:24:21.980 was abducted.

01:24:24.240 It's a chilling new detail.

01:24:25.720 It suggests

01:24:26.260 that this guy,

01:24:27.920 this masked suspect,

01:24:29.100 scouted out the home

01:24:29.940 in advance,

01:24:32.160 you know,

01:24:32.440 or possibly made two attempts.

01:24:35.360 I mean,

01:24:35.560 it's possible he tried

01:24:36.500 to get in the first time

01:24:37.300 and couldn't.

01:24:38.460 But this guy,

01:24:39.320 this was no accident.

01:24:41.120 This obviously was no accident.

01:24:42.360 He didn't just stumble

01:24:43.500 upon this home

01:24:44.400 or go on some drug-fueled binge

01:24:46.720 and decide to rob

01:24:48.280 or take something

01:24:50.820 from Nancy Guthrie's home,

01:24:51.980 including Nancy.

01:24:53.400 Clearly,

01:24:53.880 the guy had been there beforehand,

01:24:55.180 if these reports are true,

01:24:57.580 and went back

01:24:59.180 with a plan in mind.

01:25:01.060 This news comes

01:25:01.780 as Savannah Guthrie

01:25:02.460 posted her latest

01:25:03.580 heartbreaking plea

01:25:04.720 on Instagram this morning,

01:25:07.360 saying the family

01:25:08.140 still has hope,

01:25:09.500 but acknowledging

01:25:10.140 that Nancy

01:25:10.960 may already be gone

01:25:12.640 and also announcing

01:25:14.320 that the family's now

01:25:15.300 offering a reward directly.

01:25:17.720 You might remember

01:25:18.220 the other one

01:25:18.660 comes from the FBI

01:25:19.480 of a million dollars,

01:25:21.780 up to a million dollars

01:25:23.680 for information

01:25:24.900 leading to their mother's return.

01:25:27.820 Day 24

01:25:28.740 since our mom

01:25:30.560 was taken

01:25:32.380 in the dark of night

01:25:34.460 from her bed.

01:25:37.920 And every hour

01:25:39.420 and minute

01:25:40.320 and second

01:25:41.320 and every long night

01:25:43.420 has been agony

01:25:44.660 since then.

01:25:46.080 We still believe

01:25:47.220 in a miracle.

01:25:49.720 We still believe

01:25:50.760 that she can come home.

01:25:51.920 hope against hope.

01:25:56.800 As my sister says,

01:25:58.100 we are blowing

01:25:58.660 on the embers of hope.

01:26:04.080 We also know

01:26:05.380 that

01:26:06.060 she may be lost.

01:26:09.980 She may already be gone.

01:26:12.960 She may have already

01:26:14.320 gone home

01:26:14.960 to the Lord

01:26:15.600 that she loves.

01:26:17.320 What is to be,

01:26:18.900 then we will accept it.

01:26:20.860 But we need to know

01:26:25.380 where she is.

01:26:27.740 We need her to come home.

01:26:31.520 For that reason,

01:26:32.960 we are offering

01:26:34.320 a family reward

01:26:36.360 of up to

01:26:37.300 one million dollars

01:26:38.760 for any information

01:26:41.720 that leads us

01:26:43.480 to her recovery.

01:26:44.480 to please come forward,

01:26:47.420 tell what you know,

01:26:48.860 and help us bring

01:26:50.220 our beloved mom home

01:26:51.780 so that we can either

01:26:53.860 celebrate

01:26:54.500 the glorious,

01:26:55.840 miraculous homecoming

01:26:56.980 or celebrate

01:26:58.600 the beautiful,

01:27:01.060 brave,

01:27:01.660 and courageous,

01:27:02.640 and noble life

01:27:03.520 that she has lived.

01:27:05.000 I mean,

01:27:07.980 you can't help

01:27:08.440 but feel for her.

01:27:10.460 You can feel the stress

01:27:11.920 just looking at her expression

01:27:14.020 and her attempt

01:27:15.500 to hold back tears

01:27:16.420 as she talks about her mother

01:27:17.640 and now openly acknowledges

01:27:20.120 that she may already be gone.

01:27:23.140 And I think most of us

01:27:25.120 have come to that realization

01:27:26.060 and I'm sure the family

01:27:27.000 will be the last

01:27:27.760 to actually get there,

01:27:28.880 but it sounds like

01:27:30.000 they are getting there.

01:27:31.660 Savannah Guthrie's not dumb

01:27:32.980 and I'm sure she knows full well

01:27:35.080 that the odds

01:27:35.540 of her 84-year-old mother

01:27:36.620 being held captive

01:27:38.580 for over three weeks now

01:27:40.220 by someone who clearly

01:27:41.380 does not care about her

01:27:43.520 is not a good way

01:27:47.100 of fostering wellness

01:27:48.620 or longevity

01:27:49.380 for an 84-year-old.

01:27:51.120 It's just so awful

01:27:52.160 and it certainly seems like

01:27:54.300 the case does not have

01:27:55.960 a bunch of new leads

01:27:56.740 and we'll talk about that too

01:27:58.120 with our panel.

01:27:58.880 Here to react

01:27:59.720 is Will Geddes.

01:28:00.820 He's a security expert

01:28:01.940 and founder of

01:28:02.640 International Corporate Protection.

01:28:04.600 James Hamilton,

01:28:05.400 former FBI supervisory

01:28:07.040 special agent

01:28:07.680 and founder of

01:28:08.460 Hamilton Security Group.

01:28:10.860 And Eric O'Neill

01:28:11.680 is back on the program,

01:28:12.640 national security specialist,

01:28:14.380 former FBI

01:28:15.180 counterintelligence operative

01:28:17.120 and author of

01:28:18.200 Spies, Lies, and Cybercrime.

01:28:20.500 And also, Eric,

01:28:23.120 the guy who brought down

01:28:24.780 Robert Hansen,

01:28:26.360 one of our best known,

01:28:28.400 most nefarious spies ever.

01:28:30.220 We have a great episode

01:28:31.040 with Eric

01:28:31.380 where we talk all about it.

01:28:32.920 So we've got some guys

01:28:33.900 who know what they're doing

01:28:34.900 on this panel here.

01:28:36.460 But let me just start

01:28:37.580 with you, Will,

01:28:38.560 because we just talked

01:28:39.520 about this,

01:28:40.220 about whether these were

01:28:41.020 two different images.

01:28:43.180 You know,

01:28:44.120 the one sky was dark,

01:28:45.320 the other sky was light.

01:28:46.560 The guy doesn't have

01:28:47.300 the backpack on

01:28:48.040 in the dark sky night

01:28:48.900 and he does have

01:28:49.540 the backpack on

01:28:50.240 with the mouth light

01:28:51.240 in the lighter sky night.

01:28:53.940 So now,

01:28:55.120 what do you make

01:28:56.620 of the fact

01:28:57.040 that they're admitting,

01:28:57.780 somebody's admitting

01:28:58.540 and spreading to news

01:28:59.720 that it's two different nights?

01:29:01.680 And yet the sheriff,

01:29:02.700 weirdly saying,

01:29:03.440 and speaking for the FBI,

01:29:04.460 saying,

01:29:04.880 none of that came from us.

01:29:06.320 That's speculative.

01:29:08.080 It's,

01:29:09.040 firstly, Megan,

01:29:09.600 thanks for inviting me back on.

01:29:11.120 Firstly,

01:29:11.740 this is quite bizarre,

01:29:13.200 but again,

01:29:13.780 seems to be following

01:29:14.740 the same traits

01:29:15.720 that we've already seen

01:29:16.720 with the sheriff,

01:29:17.940 with evidence being

01:29:19.320 quirked and reshaped

01:29:21.660 in various different forms

01:29:23.060 and him not being able

01:29:24.980 to send a very linear message

01:29:26.560 of progress

01:29:27.580 as things are going along.

01:29:29.300 It certainly falls in track

01:29:30.940 with what we discussed before,

01:29:33.560 where there was a presumption

01:29:35.060 of some advanced reconnaissance,

01:29:37.400 which, for me,

01:29:38.480 kind of discounted it

01:29:39.400 from being a burglary,

01:29:40.980 but there was some advanced

01:29:42.200 sort of visiting

01:29:43.240 to the property,

01:29:44.380 some monitoring

01:29:44.960 to see potentially

01:29:46.280 what the landscape was.

01:29:47.800 And when I say landscape,

01:29:48.880 I mean in terms of security,

01:29:50.740 whether it be

01:29:51.300 the Nest doorbell

01:29:52.400 or whether it be

01:29:53.520 intruder lights,

01:29:54.960 alarms,

01:29:55.500 anything else like that.

01:29:56.820 But the key question

01:29:57.940 for me, Megan,

01:29:58.560 right now is

01:29:59.260 the time

01:30:00.780 between those photographs.

01:30:02.840 That would tell us

01:30:03.780 an awful lot

01:30:04.780 about potentially

01:30:05.860 the degree of motivation

01:30:07.540 behind this individual

01:30:08.780 and if there was

01:30:10.500 a very short

01:30:11.120 or long period

01:30:12.020 will determine

01:30:12.780 perhaps even

01:30:14.060 a level of professionalism,

01:30:16.080 although we're,

01:30:17.440 you know,

01:30:17.760 there are so many indicators

01:30:18.720 that this wasn't

01:30:19.580 what we would term

01:30:20.820 a professional job.

01:30:22.400 There's some speculation,

01:30:24.640 though, again,

01:30:25.240 not confirmed,

01:30:26.340 that it might have been

01:30:28.160 on January 11th

01:30:30.240 because you know

01:30:31.020 that they've asked,

01:30:32.500 the authorities

01:30:33.000 have been going around

01:30:33.540 and neighbors

01:30:33.960 asking them

01:30:34.680 to check their ring cameras

01:30:35.940 specifically on that date.

01:30:38.140 Now, they've also said

01:30:38.940 go back to January 1st.

01:30:40.380 This event happened overnight

01:30:41.540 from January 31st

01:30:42.580 to February 1st.

01:30:43.560 So we can't be sure

01:30:44.940 that the other event

01:30:46.340 may have happened

01:30:46.820 on January 11th,

01:30:47.560 but that's one

01:30:48.480 of the other dates

01:30:49.660 that cops have been

01:30:50.480 asking about Jim

01:30:51.700 and we've all been

01:30:52.820 scratching our heads

01:30:53.780 saying,

01:30:54.320 why,

01:30:55.220 what happened

01:30:55.640 on January 11th?

01:30:56.740 Like, none of us

01:30:57.280 has known

01:30:57.840 and yet now

01:30:59.440 we may have just been

01:31:00.280 effectively given the answer.

01:31:02.340 Yeah, good to see you again

01:31:03.340 on January 11th.

01:31:05.480 To me,

01:31:06.040 it looks like

01:31:06.400 two different nights

01:31:07.160 as you all were saying

01:31:08.620 and why they don't

01:31:10.240 want to say that

01:31:10.880 is interesting to me.

01:31:12.680 But I agree

01:31:13.520 with what you said

01:31:14.100 in the opening

01:31:14.640 about if it is

01:31:15.860 two separate nights,

01:31:16.560 this is a casing

01:31:17.440 as Will was talking about

01:31:18.580 and it would check

01:31:19.640 with that

01:31:20.240 and it also makes sense

01:31:21.920 as to why,

01:31:22.640 you know,

01:31:23.000 he doesn't have

01:31:23.580 the backpack

01:31:24.020 or the gun

01:31:24.840 in this silly,

01:31:25.640 you know,

01:31:25.940 location.

01:31:27.140 But again,

01:31:27.760 the more we,

01:31:28.460 you know,

01:31:28.740 kind of dive

01:31:29.300 into this case,

01:31:30.260 the more people

01:31:31.220 we're seeing

01:31:31.780 around porches

01:31:32.580 at 2 a.m.

01:31:33.380 So, yeah,

01:31:34.340 it's a concern

01:31:35.260 but I think

01:31:37.560 it was two different nights

01:31:38.400 and I wish

01:31:39.400 we could just

01:31:39.940 get some clarity.

01:31:41.800 I mean,

01:31:42.360 what would it tell you

01:31:43.540 though,

01:31:43.720 as a former FBI guy,

01:31:44.840 Jim,

01:31:45.060 what would it tell you

01:31:46.020 is that,

01:31:48.040 do you think

01:31:48.560 that's recon?

01:31:49.640 Like,

01:31:49.960 let me,

01:31:50.440 I'm going to put

01:31:50.740 on my little disc,

01:31:51.440 because it's a very

01:31:51.940 risky recon,

01:31:53.280 no?

01:31:53.780 Like,

01:31:54.200 I would think

01:31:55.140 if I'm going to do

01:31:55.740 recon and a kidnapping,

01:31:56.940 I'm probably going

01:31:57.360 to stay in my car.

01:31:58.500 I don't,

01:31:58.740 like,

01:31:58.860 I've never committed

01:31:59.440 a kidnapping before

01:32:00.260 but I'm just going

01:32:00.940 to guess

01:32:01.360 it would be

01:32:02.360 exponentially riskier

01:32:03.760 to get out of the car

01:32:05.420 and walk up

01:32:06.160 onto the stoop

01:32:06.840 where you can see

01:32:07.920 from a ways away

01:32:09.420 there's a nest camera.

01:32:10.900 Well,

01:32:11.080 again,

01:32:11.440 I'm still not certain

01:32:12.820 that we originally

01:32:14.100 started out

01:32:14.780 as a kidnapping.

01:32:15.260 I'm still not certain

01:32:16.600 that this person,

01:32:17.520 you know,

01:32:17.680 his original intent

01:32:18.460 was to kidnap.

01:32:19.680 It certainly checks

01:32:20.720 with,

01:32:21.140 you know,

01:32:21.760 pre-operational surveillance

01:32:22.740 prior to a robbery,

01:32:24.440 a burglary,

01:32:25.340 some type of home invasion

01:32:26.540 and we've also talked

01:32:29.280 about how dark

01:32:29.840 it is out there.

01:32:30.600 So,

01:32:30.840 if he parked

01:32:31.560 in a close proximity

01:32:32.600 then got out

01:32:33.520 then put the mask on,

01:32:34.880 it's not very suspicious

01:32:35.840 because no one's going

01:32:36.500 to see you.

01:32:37.020 It's so dark there.

01:32:38.440 I don't think he was

01:32:39.040 walking,

01:32:39.440 driving around town

01:32:40.240 with the mask on.

01:32:41.480 But interesting

01:32:42.360 that he has

01:32:42.760 his little,

01:32:43.260 you know,

01:32:43.480 same clothes

01:32:44.340 for his operations

01:32:45.780 that tells us

01:32:46.620 something about

01:32:47.120 the individual.

01:32:48.460 But yeah,

01:32:48.880 I mean,

01:32:49.140 to me,

01:32:49.780 that's what it would

01:32:50.360 tell me is that,

01:32:51.100 you know,

01:32:51.540 this was planned

01:32:52.400 in some degree.

01:32:54.080 Obviously,

01:32:54.420 we know he's made

01:32:55.160 some mistakes,

01:32:55.680 but he didn't make

01:32:56.140 a lot of mistakes

01:32:56.760 because we saw him

01:32:57.360 caught him.

01:32:58.960 Well,

01:32:59.420 there are two ends,

01:33:00.360 Eric,

01:33:00.520 to the communication

01:33:02.120 around this reveal.

01:33:04.260 There's someone

01:33:05.140 in law enforcement

01:33:05.900 who's telling ABC,

01:33:07.840 Fox,

01:33:08.480 News Nation,

01:33:09.240 and others,

01:33:10.920 these were two

01:33:11.440 different nights.

01:33:12.600 Clearly,

01:33:13.080 someone in law enforcement

01:33:13.980 did say that.

01:33:15.980 ABC News says

01:33:17.140 sources to ABC News,

01:33:19.940 according to our sources.

01:33:23.160 Fox says a source

01:33:25.600 with knowledge

01:33:26.120 of the investigation

01:33:26.900 confirmed.

01:33:28.740 Brian Enten said

01:33:29.860 he and another person

01:33:30.960 at News Nation,

01:33:31.700 we each have a source.

01:33:33.580 So we don't know

01:33:34.220 exactly who.

01:33:35.480 Right.

01:33:35.540 But to me,

01:33:36.260 you know,

01:33:36.500 the FBI can sort of

01:33:37.440 speak to what the FBI

01:33:38.200 is likely doing here

01:33:39.080 or if it is the FBI

01:33:40.060 or local sheriff.

01:33:41.260 But as a news person,

01:33:43.580 I can tell you

01:33:44.280 there is zero chance

01:33:46.080 they all just came up

01:33:47.000 with the same wrong story.

01:33:49.340 Someone clearly

01:33:50.060 in law enforcement

01:33:51.000 decided it was time

01:33:51.960 to leak this

01:33:52.540 to the public

01:33:53.180 for some reason.

01:33:54.560 And I don't know,

01:33:55.960 maybe the sheriff

01:33:56.540 wants plausible deniability

01:33:57.920 for some reason.

01:33:58.860 Maybe the person

01:33:59.420 did it without

01:33:59.920 the sheriff's permission.

01:34:01.780 Maybe it's somebody

01:34:02.480 over at FBI

01:34:03.140 and he has no idea

01:34:04.000 what they're doing.

01:34:04.800 But this is

01:34:05.520 definitely not

01:34:06.120 the press

01:34:06.600 making this up.

01:34:08.620 Yeah,

01:34:08.720 I'm going to agree

01:34:09.140 with you.

01:34:09.580 I mean,

01:34:09.700 it certainly shows

01:34:10.480 bad OPSEC

01:34:11.260 or operational security

01:34:12.400 on behalf of

01:34:13.260 the local law enforcement

01:34:14.760 and FBI

01:34:15.340 joint task force

01:34:16.340 trying to catch

01:34:17.120 the perpetrator

01:34:18.180 who showed up

01:34:18.720 in Nancy Guthrie's home

01:34:19.780 and abducted her.

01:34:21.460 You know,

01:34:21.960 I'm not surprised

01:34:22.600 that there are

01:34:23.080 these other,

01:34:23.800 these different images

01:34:24.580 from different periods

01:34:25.540 in time.

01:34:26.520 I mean,

01:34:26.660 the way this works

01:34:27.460 is the camera

01:34:28.480 records everything

01:34:29.860 and sends it

01:34:30.980 to Ring server,

01:34:31.980 I'm sorry,

01:34:32.320 Nest server.

01:34:33.600 And that's the way

01:34:34.200 that you can use

01:34:34.800 your app to actually

01:34:35.580 see it,

01:34:36.260 even if you don't

01:34:36.940 have a subscription.

01:34:38.060 But what happens

01:34:38.580 is it's marked

01:34:39.160 to auto-delete,

01:34:40.180 right?

01:34:40.560 So it probably

01:34:41.340 got written over

01:34:42.120 a number of times

01:34:43.120 and it can be

01:34:43.780 reconstructed.

01:34:44.640 It's painstaking.

01:34:46.440 Obviously,

01:34:46.960 they had the one video

01:34:47.860 that's a pretty decent

01:34:49.140 shot of the individual

01:34:50.060 showing motion,

01:34:51.400 his eyes,

01:34:52.500 and that was

01:34:53.120 what they released

01:34:53.860 in order to get

01:34:54.480 the public to look

01:34:55.180 at it and think,

01:34:56.120 maybe I recognize

01:34:56.920 that person

01:34:57.520 and hopefully catch

01:34:58.420 a break in this case.

01:34:59.860 I always thought

01:35:00.840 that they had more

01:35:01.600 than they were releasing

01:35:02.460 and it doesn't make sense

01:35:04.240 that they would release

01:35:05.140 that earlier image.

01:35:06.940 So that seems to me

01:35:07.840 like a break

01:35:08.580 in the chain of command

01:35:09.660 there,

01:35:10.000 someone who decided

01:35:10.800 on their own

01:35:11.460 to release it

01:35:12.200 because there's no reason

01:35:13.180 to say,

01:35:13.700 hey,

01:35:13.740 the guy was there earlier.

01:35:14.760 But it was released

01:35:15.560 with the other photos.

01:35:18.040 It just wasn't clarified

01:35:19.300 to be on a separate date

01:35:20.980 until now.

01:35:22.280 Right.

01:35:22.680 So I mean,

01:35:23.440 in Kash Patel's original

01:35:24.760 dump of these photos,

01:35:26.640 he said these were all

01:35:27.680 taken the night

01:35:28.180 she disappeared.

01:35:28.680 And you know,

01:35:29.720 the other thing is

01:35:30.280 that the way

01:35:30.780 they reconstruct this data

01:35:32.640 is there's no time stamps

01:35:34.020 on it.

01:35:34.820 You know,

01:35:35.000 I've always been wondering

01:35:35.880 whether perhaps

01:35:37.100 they had some of the audio

01:35:38.160 because that would typically

01:35:39.040 be recorded directly

01:35:40.140 with the video

01:35:40.960 and of course

01:35:41.740 they're not releasing that.

01:35:43.300 And it makes perfect sense.

01:35:44.500 I'm agreeing with James

01:35:45.440 and Will

01:35:45.820 that the perpetrator

01:35:47.400 would have had

01:35:48.080 to case the area.

01:35:49.340 It's a really difficult place

01:35:50.800 like James said.

01:35:52.260 The area is incredibly dark

01:35:54.420 and it's also

01:35:55.500 a warren of streets

01:35:56.660 and if you're really smart,

01:35:57.600 you don't bring your cell phone

01:35:58.660 with you to a crime

01:35:59.720 that allows the FBI

01:36:01.140 to look at telemetry

01:36:02.640 from cell towers

01:36:03.820 as your phone moves through

01:36:05.960 and pings them.

01:36:07.580 And so they have to figure out

01:36:08.560 how to get there.

01:36:09.120 I'll continue for another minute

01:36:09.820 on this, Eric,

01:36:10.440 as our former cyber guy.

01:36:13.500 Do you believe

01:36:14.460 by this point

01:36:15.260 the cell phone data

01:36:17.340 has proven not helpful

01:36:19.200 because we're three weeks in

01:36:20.520 and they would have already

01:36:21.580 had that,

01:36:22.000 would they not?

01:36:22.400 Yes.

01:36:22.600 If they brought their phones

01:36:23.460 with them,

01:36:23.820 I think that they might have

01:36:25.400 had a better clue

01:36:26.580 of who this was

01:36:27.440 and so I don't think

01:36:28.300 that that cell phone data,

01:36:30.300 which is always very difficult

01:36:31.260 anyway to triangulate,

01:36:32.360 is going to help.

01:36:34.020 You know,

01:36:34.320 they were using things

01:36:35.040 like BlueFi.

01:36:35.980 That's really difficult

01:36:37.040 and BlueFi,

01:36:38.320 I'm sure you've talked,

01:36:39.560 I know you've talked

01:36:40.340 about it before,

01:36:40.980 but this is a technology

01:36:42.080 that allowed them

01:36:42.760 to actually put it

01:36:43.500 on the bottom of helicopters

01:36:45.140 and scan different signals

01:36:48.300 coming from Bluetooth devices

01:36:49.780 or wireless devices

01:36:51.480 to try to find that pacemaker.

01:36:53.460 That's really useful

01:36:54.680 when you're in a large area

01:36:57.620 of terrain

01:36:58.240 like Yosemite National Park

01:37:00.500 where there's not

01:37:01.280 a lot of signal noise,

01:37:02.780 but over an urban environment

01:37:04.240 like this

01:37:04.660 where there are millions

01:37:05.960 of Bluetooth devices

01:37:06.900 all sending signals.

01:37:07.920 It's hard to find

01:37:08.420 that one needle

01:37:09.000 in a haystack.

01:37:10.340 You know,

01:37:10.780 a lot of what they're doing

01:37:11.780 are very innovative technologies

01:37:13.560 to try to find

01:37:14.660 more clues

01:37:15.860 toward this perpetrator,

01:37:17.320 but it's very difficult

01:37:18.760 just because of this dense area

01:37:20.400 and because,

01:37:21.720 I mean,

01:37:22.500 I don't know

01:37:23.180 if it was Will or Jim

01:37:24.080 who said it,

01:37:24.680 but they did a good job

01:37:26.040 of covering their tracks

01:37:26.900 for someone

01:37:27.360 who didn't look

01:37:28.040 super, super professional.

01:37:30.360 Either they're incredibly lucky

01:37:31.640 or they're really good.

01:37:32.540 Will,

01:37:34.900 what are your thoughts

01:37:36.240 on why would this guy

01:37:38.740 show up earlier?

01:37:39.880 Like,

01:37:40.080 if this was January 11th,

01:37:41.760 unconfirmed,

01:37:42.880 unconfirmed technically

01:37:44.020 that it was even

01:37:44.860 a separate night,

01:37:46.000 right?

01:37:46.320 I mean,

01:37:46.860 the sheriff's denying it

01:37:47.860 or at least saying

01:37:48.840 this is speculative.

01:37:50.980 What was the guy doing?

01:37:52.740 Like,

01:37:52.940 why would you show up?

01:37:53.680 There's no gun,

01:37:54.920 notably,

01:37:55.480 in that picture

01:37:56.900 without the backpack,

01:37:58.320 but I mean,

01:37:59.020 what kind of a person

01:37:59.680 would put the whole mask

01:38:01.460 over the head

01:38:02.120 and walk up on the stoop

01:38:04.080 and apparently do nothing

01:38:05.900 and then only to come back?

01:38:08.640 Well,

01:38:09.140 I mean,

01:38:09.380 I think it follows

01:38:10.380 what we were saying

01:38:11.560 a little bit earlier,

01:38:12.340 Megan,

01:38:12.720 that this is what we would call

01:38:14.460 a soft probe reconnaissance,

01:38:16.160 which is just a,

01:38:17.380 it could be a walk past

01:38:18.940 of the actual property itself.

01:38:20.480 It's looking at

01:38:21.260 neighboring properties,

01:38:22.520 again,

01:38:23.020 depending on the sophistication

01:38:24.620 of the perpetrator

01:38:26.340 and again,

01:38:27.200 depending on what

01:38:28.280 their ultimate objective

01:38:29.520 might be.

01:38:30.240 But in a basic level,

01:38:32.700 it will be looking at

01:38:33.540 what security there is,

01:38:34.700 what intrusion detection

01:38:35.800 there might be,

01:38:36.920 whether it be lights,

01:38:37.780 salons or otherwise.

01:38:39.020 But it will also be looking at,

01:38:40.740 if it gets more sophisticated,

01:38:42.640 could be looking at

01:38:43.340 local neighbors,

01:38:44.640 seeing if they've got cameras,

01:38:46.140 the aspect obviously

01:38:47.140 onto the front of the property.

01:38:48.480 So if,

01:38:49.820 let's say,

01:38:50.520 that speculatively

01:38:51.960 they were going to remove

01:38:53.760 Nancy from the property,

01:38:55.460 again,

01:38:55.780 it was looking at

01:38:56.600 who else would be able

01:38:57.600 to capture or record this,

01:38:59.140 what kind of devices there were,

01:39:00.820 how sophisticated they might be.

01:39:02.400 So again,

01:39:03.480 we know that

01:39:04.100 the very front of the property

01:39:05.340 had a lot of bushing

01:39:06.880 and a lot of

01:39:08.420 sort of garden area,

01:39:09.800 which might have made it

01:39:10.900 very difficult

01:39:11.420 for a direct line of sight,

01:39:13.160 which would mean

01:39:14.120 that he would have to,

01:39:15.900 and that is obviously

01:39:16.740 speculating that it's a male,

01:39:17.880 but I think we're safe

01:39:18.520 to say that,

01:39:19.380 actually needing to go

01:39:20.460 closer to the property.

01:39:21.880 And again,

01:39:22.760 removing the potential

01:39:24.100 for identity,

01:39:25.140 like James was saying,

01:39:26.460 may not have stepped out

01:39:27.500 of the vehicle

01:39:28.080 or his vehicle

01:39:28.940 with the ski mask on,

01:39:30.680 but got a little closer

01:39:31.680 to the property.

01:39:32.660 And again,

01:39:33.060 it's quite dark there

01:39:34.240 being able to put on that mask

01:39:35.820 and then being able

01:39:36.760 to get a little closer

01:39:37.660 look on the front door.

01:39:40.000 There is news

01:39:40.860 just breaking

01:39:41.540 on the DNA

01:39:42.620 that was found

01:39:43.420 inside the house.

01:39:44.820 Plus,

01:39:45.260 I really want to get into

01:39:46.260 what jumped out at me

01:39:47.660 in that Savannah note.

01:39:48.700 There are two new reveals,

01:39:50.640 as far as I see it,

01:39:51.680 on clues in this case.

01:39:53.600 We'll talk about them

01:39:54.580 right after this break.

01:39:55.700 Don't go away.

01:39:57.020 If you're stressed out

01:39:58.060 about getting out of debt,

01:39:59.140 it's go time.

01:40:00.240 This is one of those moments

01:40:01.200 where timing matters.

01:40:02.680 And let me tell you

01:40:03.140 about Done With Debt.

01:40:04.460 2025 was a record year

01:40:05.920 for them.

01:40:06.720 People who collectively

01:40:07.560 had more than

01:40:08.160 $102 million in debt

01:40:10.460 turned to these guys

01:40:11.920 for help.

01:40:12.840 And right now,

01:40:13.820 may be the best time

01:40:14.960 for you to negotiate

01:40:16.020 a settlement.

01:40:17.560 Done With Debt

01:40:18.060 tracks credit card

01:40:19.000 and loan company behavior.

01:40:20.820 They are experienced

01:40:21.660 at knowing

01:40:22.100 who's negotiating

01:40:23.140 and when

01:40:23.960 and what it takes

01:40:24.980 to get you

01:40:25.340 the biggest reduction possible.

01:40:27.020 Whether you are carrying

01:40:28.060 $10,000 or $500,000 in debt,

01:40:30.740 this may be the best chance

01:40:31.800 you will get all year.

01:40:33.060 So consider scheduling

01:40:34.060 a free consultation.

01:40:35.580 It only takes a few minutes.

01:40:37.140 Imagine waking up

01:40:37.940 without that weight

01:40:38.640 on your shoulders

01:40:39.260 and doing it

01:40:40.120 without taking out

01:40:40.920 another loan

01:40:41.520 or filing for bankruptcy.

01:40:43.760 Done With Debt

01:40:44.180 helps you through

01:40:44.900 the debt relief process

01:40:45.940 so you keep more

01:40:47.020 of your paycheck

01:40:47.640 every month.

01:40:48.940 Go to

01:40:49.220 donewithdebt.com

01:40:50.160 right now.

01:40:50.520 That's

01:40:50.880 donewithdebt.com

01:40:52.620 The 2026 Maverick

01:40:55.540 with Ford Flex Bed

01:40:56.560 Storage System.

01:40:57.780 For those that see

01:40:58.720 more than a stack

01:40:59.500 of lumber,

01:41:00.640 more than four

01:41:01.660 empty walls,

01:41:03.500 more than just

01:41:05.380 a blank page.

01:41:07.100 The Ford Maverick.

01:41:08.440 Made to fit,

01:41:09.520 designed to flex.

01:41:10.980 Right now,

01:41:11.640 get purchase financing

01:41:12.520 from 4.99% APR

01:41:14.260 for up to 72 months

01:41:15.380 on all 2026

01:41:16.580 Maverick models.

01:41:17.960 Visit your Toronto

01:41:18.920 area Ford store

01:41:19.820 or Ford.ca

01:41:20.780 today.

01:41:27.940 Back with me now,

01:41:28.960 Will Geddes,

01:41:29.700 founder of

01:41:30.400 International Corporate

01:41:31.300 Protection,

01:41:32.280 James Hamilton,

01:41:33.100 founder of

01:41:33.540 Hamilton Security Group,

01:41:34.900 and Eric O'Neill,

01:41:36.160 author of

01:41:36.640 Spies,

01:41:37.400 Lies,

01:41:38.000 and Cybercrime.

01:41:39.380 All right, James,

01:41:39.960 so I want to talk

01:41:41.180 about the

01:41:41.640 Savannah Guthrie

01:41:42.700 latest statement.

01:41:44.240 There's a lot,

01:41:44.780 actually,

01:41:45.000 to go through today,

01:41:45.700 that statement,

01:41:46.300 plus there's a couple

01:41:46.840 of other pieces.

01:41:47.800 As I mentioned,

01:41:48.740 something's just

01:41:49.320 breaking about the DNA.

01:41:51.800 What jumped out at me

01:41:53.160 was,

01:41:54.060 I don't know if she

01:41:54.660 intended to or not,

01:41:55.980 but she made a little

01:41:56.800 news about the actual

01:41:58.120 crime,

01:41:58.840 where she said,

01:42:00.180 it's day 24

01:42:02.120 since our mom

01:42:03.000 was taken in the

01:42:04.140 dark of night

01:42:04.840 from her bed.

01:42:06.660 Yep.

01:42:07.480 No one has ever

01:42:08.340 said that before.

01:42:09.400 In fact,

01:42:09.740 the sheriff

01:42:10.140 said it early on

01:42:11.740 and then took it back

01:42:12.780 and said,

01:42:13.980 I didn't mean

01:42:14.900 to say that.

01:42:15.600 I'm not confirming

01:42:16.740 whether she was taken

01:42:17.480 from her bed.

01:42:18.380 But there it is,

01:42:19.380 straight from Savannah

01:42:20.240 Guthrie herself.

01:42:21.860 That's news.

01:42:22.860 I mean,

01:42:23.140 there was speculation,

01:42:24.240 even we speculated

01:42:25.200 just last week

01:42:25.880 on this program,

01:42:27.340 about whether

01:42:28.020 this intruder

01:42:29.420 was possibly

01:42:30.800 knocking on the door

01:42:31.920 before he was,

01:42:32.840 like,

01:42:33.100 messing with that

01:42:33.720 nest cam,

01:42:34.300 because it almost

01:42:34.760 looked like a knock.

01:42:35.660 Other people have

01:42:36.240 speculated he rang

01:42:37.060 the doorbell

01:42:37.680 to get Nancy Guthrie

01:42:38.900 to come downstairs,

01:42:39.840 because there didn't

01:42:41.820 appear to be forced

01:42:42.460 entry,

01:42:42.800 at least at the front.

01:42:44.180 Ashley Banfield

01:42:44.820 reported early on

01:42:45.740 in this case

01:42:46.180 that her source

01:42:46.740 told her there

01:42:47.280 was forced entry.

01:42:48.600 We don't know

01:42:49.060 which door.

01:42:50.400 She also reported

01:42:51.120 that the back door

01:42:51.740 to the house

01:42:52.060 was left wide open,

01:42:53.660 so presumably

01:42:54.340 it was the back door.

01:42:55.080 But in any event,

01:42:56.520 in her bed is,

01:42:57.880 or from her bed,

01:42:59.140 taken in the middle,

01:43:00.180 in the dark of night

01:43:00.900 from her bed is new.

01:43:03.020 What, if anything,

01:43:03.820 does it tell us?

01:43:05.460 Yeah, good for you.

01:43:06.420 That's why you're

01:43:06.960 an investigative journalist,

01:43:08.180 because that's immediately

01:43:09.080 what I picked up on.

01:43:10.920 You know,

01:43:11.200 that, okay,

01:43:11.660 this is,

01:43:12.380 wait a minute,

01:43:12.780 is she just saying that

01:43:13.960 as if to say,

01:43:15.100 you know,

01:43:15.620 sometimes in kidnappings,

01:43:17.480 you know,

01:43:17.900 like a JonBenet Ramsey

01:43:19.040 taken in,

01:43:19.660 you know,

01:43:19.800 from her bed type of deal,

01:43:20.880 and it's almost like,

01:43:22.260 you know,

01:43:22.780 something you would say,

01:43:23.680 but I'm with you.

01:43:24.440 I think she was literally

01:43:25.820 that Savannah knows

01:43:27.360 something that we didn't know,

01:43:28.580 and now we do know,

01:43:29.780 that she was taken

01:43:30.700 from her bed.

01:43:31.600 Well, that rules out,

01:43:33.120 you know,

01:43:33.480 that Miss Guthrie,

01:43:35.260 you know,

01:43:35.820 answered a door,

01:43:36.880 there was a knock

01:43:37.460 on the door,

01:43:37.920 she went out,

01:43:38.540 answered the door,

01:43:39.520 and then the guy took her.

01:43:41.200 That rules that out.

01:43:42.580 If there was forced entry,

01:43:44.020 or any,

01:43:44.680 there had to have been

01:43:45.140 some type of entry,

01:43:46.320 you know,

01:43:46.740 either forced,

01:43:47.500 or she left the door unlocked,

01:43:49.020 God forbid,

01:43:49.960 and they rousted her

01:43:51.480 from her bed.

01:43:52.200 Now,

01:43:52.500 that's a totally

01:43:53.200 different thing,

01:43:54.100 and so,

01:43:54.380 yeah,

01:43:54.740 that's significant.

01:43:55.960 It also seems to me,

01:43:58.560 Will,

01:43:58.820 to suggest

01:43:59.820 that Savannah believes

01:44:02.900 her mom did,

01:44:04.440 in fact,

01:44:04.700 return home to her house

01:44:06.000 after having dinner

01:44:07.820 with Tommaso

01:44:09.260 and Annie,

01:44:11.040 Savannah's sister

01:44:11.680 and brother-in-law,

01:44:12.660 earlier in the evening.

01:44:13.620 You know,

01:44:13.880 we've all speculated

01:44:14.660 about whether,

01:44:15.740 like,

01:44:15.920 what's the proof

01:44:16.400 that Tommaso

01:44:17.540 actually dropped her off

01:44:18.380 at 948

01:44:18.940 with the garage door opening

01:44:20.040 and then closing again

01:44:20.880 at 950?

01:44:21.680 Like,

01:44:22.120 why do we believe that?

01:44:23.580 Now,

01:44:23.740 we believe the pacemaker

01:44:24.600 continued to work

01:44:25.540 until 228

01:44:27.600 that morning,

01:44:28.300 at least,

01:44:29.560 but what's our evidence

01:44:30.480 that Nancy Guthrie

01:44:31.540 was actually in that home?

01:44:33.060 And our only evidence

01:44:34.100 was really that

01:44:34.680 the police said she was,

01:44:36.260 and they seemed

01:44:37.000 to believe it,

01:44:38.360 and you tell me,

01:44:39.440 Savannah saying

01:44:40.400 her mom was taken

01:44:41.840 from her bed

01:44:42.680 seems to tell us

01:44:43.620 that Savannah

01:44:44.760 believes that too,

01:44:45.620 which means that's

01:44:46.140 what law enforcement

01:44:46.720 told her.

01:44:47.680 Yeah,

01:44:48.040 I think that's the only place

01:44:49.380 that she could have

01:44:50.140 drawn that information

01:44:51.080 or gleaned that information

01:44:52.100 from,

01:44:52.820 and that's not uncommon,

01:44:54.100 certainly,

01:44:54.680 where family members

01:44:56.200 will be told

01:44:57.180 a little bit of detail,

01:44:58.600 asked to keep it

01:44:59.320 to themselves

01:44:59.860 more often than not,

01:45:01.060 but the care management

01:45:02.680 of families

01:45:03.360 in these kinds of situations,

01:45:04.980 whether it be abductions,

01:45:06.640 whether it be kidnappings

01:45:07.600 or otherwise,

01:45:08.960 when someone's gone missing,

01:45:11.380 will be to try

01:45:12.100 and keep them

01:45:14.060 having a little bit of hope

01:45:15.260 wherever possible.

01:45:16.920 But I think,

01:45:17.800 you know,

01:45:18.020 speaking with my other panel members,

01:45:20.000 with Eric and James,

01:45:21.080 in the break,

01:45:22.360 I think we're all

01:45:23.140 in the agreement

01:45:23.720 that this most certainly

01:45:25.400 was an abduction.

01:45:26.300 As to when it exactly happened,

01:45:28.200 again,

01:45:28.640 we're relying on

01:45:29.780 certain information

01:45:30.480 provided by family members.

01:45:32.220 Again,

01:45:32.780 how precise they are

01:45:33.900 on their timings,

01:45:34.700 again,

01:45:35.300 is potentially questionable

01:45:37.240 and is very difficult

01:45:38.840 to evidence

01:45:39.500 unless,

01:45:40.240 again,

01:45:40.620 this is captured

01:45:41.320 on the Nest camera

01:45:42.340 and there is evidence

01:45:43.460 of when Nancy

01:45:44.240 actually walked in

01:45:45.040 or whether she went

01:45:46.160 in via the garage

01:45:47.220 as it's believed

01:45:47.880 to be the case.

01:45:49.720 But I think

01:45:50.140 in terms of

01:45:51.240 this abduction,

01:45:52.500 you know,

01:45:52.840 it is an abduction.

01:45:54.740 If it was a kidnap,

01:45:56.500 again,

01:45:57.200 my fellow panel members,

01:45:58.820 we all agree,

01:45:59.780 you know,

01:46:00.060 ultimately,

01:46:00.600 they're looking

01:46:00.900 for some sort of ransom.

01:46:02.400 But because of

01:46:03.160 the amount of publicity

01:46:04.080 this has garnished,

01:46:04.880 and I certainly know

01:46:05.620 many, many cases

01:46:06.860 where someone

01:46:07.780 has been kidnapped

01:46:08.580 by unsophisticated criminals,

01:46:11.180 that as soon as

01:46:11.880 it gets some attention,

01:46:13.160 as soon as they believe

01:46:14.140 they're on the radar,

01:46:14.860 it's not a closed affair

01:46:16.500 with family members

01:46:17.600 or whoever

01:46:18.180 they may be demanding

01:46:19.260 the ransom from,

01:46:20.500 then they can panic

01:46:21.720 because of their fear

01:46:22.600 of apprehension

01:46:23.360 and dispose of the hostage.

01:46:26.180 So I think,

01:46:27.100 regrettably,

01:46:27.960 you know,

01:46:28.180 this was an abduction.

01:46:29.720 If it wasn't for kidnapping,

01:46:31.220 what was the motivation?

01:46:32.560 What was the reasoning

01:46:33.260 behind that?

01:46:35.040 Eric,

01:46:35.480 what do you think?

01:46:36.160 Well,

01:46:36.420 I'm going to agree,

01:46:37.380 and we did talk about this

01:46:38.360 earlier during the break,

01:46:39.400 it certainly looks like

01:46:40.300 an abduction.

01:46:41.060 We don't know the reasons

01:46:41.920 they were there.

01:46:42.640 It could have been a shakedown.

01:46:43.920 It could have been

01:46:44.540 some other angry event.

01:46:46.460 And then,

01:46:47.160 of course,

01:46:47.900 the abduction happens

01:46:49.760 and you have a trail of blood

01:46:50.880 leading out of the house.

01:46:53.240 You know,

01:46:53.560 it's interesting that

01:46:54.380 we have the forced entry

01:46:56.100 and then quite possibly

01:46:57.540 the back door is wide open

01:46:59.020 and that she's in the bed.

01:47:01.100 Now,

01:47:01.360 one thing that I take

01:47:02.520 from Savannah's

01:47:04.000 newest video

01:47:05.840 is that

01:47:06.780 there's more despondency

01:47:08.700 and less hope

01:47:09.360 in the family.

01:47:11.000 She certainly

01:47:11.600 is starting

01:47:13.340 to come around

01:47:13.940 to the fact

01:47:14.360 that 24 days into it,

01:47:15.740 it's very unlikely

01:47:16.420 that we will ever find

01:47:17.760 Nancy Guthrie alive.

01:47:19.300 I mean,

01:47:19.520 that is heartbreaking.

01:47:20.820 I think it is now

01:47:21.760 worse for the family

01:47:22.800 that

01:47:23.660 they have no way

01:47:25.180 of contacting

01:47:26.180 the alleged kidnappers,

01:47:28.260 and that's why

01:47:28.820 we're saying

01:47:29.220 it's an abduction,

01:47:30.520 and that they don't know.

01:47:31.900 And the scary thing here is

01:47:33.480 I think eventually

01:47:34.620 that the FBI

01:47:35.740 does catch this individual.

01:47:37.500 I mean,

01:47:37.740 it's just an odds game.

01:47:39.020 You know,

01:47:39.820 with enough time

01:47:40.760 and enough data

01:47:42.540 and enough work,

01:47:43.520 they tend to catch

01:47:45.160 the perpetrator.

01:47:46.620 But do we ever find Nancy?

01:47:48.420 And it's not likely

01:47:50.920 that we're going to find her

01:47:52.340 alive at this point.

01:47:54.480 Right.

01:47:55.220 It's been too many days.

01:47:56.960 The other thing

01:47:57.520 that jumped out at me

01:47:58.260 about Savannah's statement

01:47:59.560 was hope against hope.

01:48:03.460 As my sister says,

01:48:05.240 we are blowing

01:48:06.040 on the embers of hope.

01:48:07.260 She mentions the sister,

01:48:09.160 James,

01:48:09.500 which is interesting,

01:48:10.680 given all the focus

01:48:12.520 on the sister

01:48:13.380 and more accurately

01:48:14.780 the sister's husband.

01:48:17.160 To me,

01:48:17.920 that's a way

01:48:18.960 of endorsing the sister

01:48:20.040 and reminding us

01:48:21.140 they still believe in her

01:48:22.980 and probably in Tomas, too.

01:48:25.460 I don't think

01:48:25.800 you mentioned the sister

01:48:26.540 unless you're looking

01:48:27.500 to rehabilitate them both.

01:48:29.820 So I think she communicated

01:48:31.060 something with that, too.

01:48:32.040 Your thoughts?

01:48:32.540 I do,

01:48:33.000 and I think we don't know.

01:48:34.460 I don't know enough

01:48:35.040 about their family.

01:48:35.860 She doesn't mention

01:48:36.580 her brother very much,

01:48:37.760 but I would say

01:48:38.800 that that caught my eye,

01:48:41.400 but my ear, rather.

01:48:42.780 What I really heard

01:48:43.960 was the million dollars.

01:48:45.760 And I know we talked

01:48:46.480 about this,

01:48:47.040 I think,

01:48:47.400 two weeks ago

01:48:48.080 when I was with you,

01:48:49.260 and the reward

01:48:50.460 was 50 grand.

01:48:52.000 And I was saying...

01:48:52.980 You said it needed

01:48:53.580 to be higher.

01:48:54.020 Yeah,

01:48:54.320 and now here we are.

01:48:55.420 You said 500,000.

01:48:56.680 Right.

01:48:57.260 And they went up

01:48:58.000 the next day to 100,

01:48:58.860 and now they've gone up

01:48:59.640 next to their...

01:49:00.840 And then they doubled

01:49:01.640 your reward, ultimately.

01:49:03.240 Money talks.

01:49:04.360 And for me,

01:49:05.420 it speaks to

01:49:07.060 what I've felt

01:49:07.860 the whole time,

01:49:08.640 just the lack of urgency

01:49:10.060 in this case.

01:49:11.060 I mean, 24 days,

01:49:12.100 it feels like

01:49:12.820 we're working this,

01:49:13.660 like it's a robbery

01:49:15.100 or a burglary.

01:49:16.480 It just has never felt

01:49:17.880 to me like

01:49:18.700 a human life

01:49:19.560 abduction story.

01:49:20.800 And the cases

01:49:21.240 I've been involved in,

01:49:22.040 right?

01:49:22.540 Like the case

01:49:23.020 I've been involved in

01:49:23.760 where someone is missing,

01:49:25.240 there is a sense

01:49:26.000 of urgency.

01:49:27.000 And you,

01:49:27.440 I mean,

01:49:27.780 everything you got,

01:49:29.180 you're throwing at it.

01:49:30.000 And a $50,000 reward

01:49:31.800 did not seem like urgency.

01:49:33.260 And now here we are

01:49:33.920 24 days later

01:49:34.980 and, okay,

01:49:35.900 a million bucks.

01:49:36.680 Well, hopefully somebody

01:49:37.660 finally says something,

01:49:38.740 but let's keep going

01:49:39.780 because, again,

01:49:40.640 the woman is still out there.

01:49:42.120 Whether she's alive or not,

01:49:43.680 we need to find this lady.

01:49:46.720 James,

01:49:47.220 that is so true

01:49:48.160 because one of the things

01:49:49.500 that was so weird

01:49:50.160 about this case

01:49:50.620 from the get-go

01:49:51.220 was within 24 hours

01:49:53.600 of realizing Nancy was gone,

01:49:55.060 they called off

01:49:55.980 the search and rescue.

01:49:57.700 The sheriff said,

01:49:58.520 we've called it off.

01:49:59.280 He said permanently,

01:50:00.940 but he said,

01:50:01.460 but we'll restart it

01:50:02.220 if we need to.

01:50:03.340 The FBI got in

01:50:04.720 and started to deploy resources

01:50:06.460 that I don't know

01:50:07.180 if it was looking for Nancy

01:50:07.960 or looking for clues,

01:50:08.840 but they were looking.

01:50:09.880 But who ends

01:50:11.440 the search and rescue

01:50:12.460 after 24 hours?

01:50:14.280 You said it.

01:50:15.100 And then he said

01:50:15.820 something else

01:50:16.340 I read this weekend

01:50:17.180 that, you know,

01:50:17.900 he said something like,

01:50:18.720 we're not giving up.

01:50:20.200 What are you talking about?

01:50:21.960 How do you get that option?

01:50:23.200 You don't get that option.

01:50:24.420 You don't get the,

01:50:25.180 I can just give up

01:50:26.440 on finding a person.

01:50:28.160 That's just not an option.

01:50:29.380 Not on the table.

01:50:32.840 You're right.

01:50:33.540 And so it's like,

01:50:34.340 I mean,

01:50:34.540 the sheriff,

01:50:34.940 of course,

01:50:35.160 is like,

01:50:35.560 we're going to find her.

01:50:36.680 We'll do whatever it takes.

01:50:37.600 Could take days.

01:50:38.760 Could take years.

01:50:40.360 What?

01:50:40.720 Right.

01:50:40.940 Right.

01:50:41.120 Like, again,

01:50:42.000 who talks like that?

01:50:43.260 But you're right.

01:50:44.020 The lack of the sense

01:50:45.360 of urgency

01:50:45.940 has been right there

01:50:47.560 in our face all along.

01:50:48.480 And not only now,

01:50:49.500 Will,

01:50:50.100 that Savannah

01:50:51.020 sounds hopeless.

01:50:52.860 Let's face it.

01:50:53.560 I mean,

01:50:53.680 she's talking about,

01:50:54.360 the sister says,

01:50:55.600 we're blowing on the embers of hope.

01:50:57.860 She says,

01:50:58.420 she may already be gone.

01:51:00.060 She may already have gone home

01:51:01.500 to the Lord that she loves.

01:51:03.080 She's dancing in heaven

01:51:04.140 with her mom and dad

01:51:05.360 and her beloved brother

01:51:06.660 and with our dad.

01:51:08.440 If this is what it is to be,

01:51:09.600 we'll accept it,

01:51:10.440 but we need to know

01:51:11.160 where she is.

01:51:12.760 And then says,

01:51:13.720 at the bottom,

01:51:15.680 we,

01:51:18.280 help us bring her

01:51:19.680 home our beloved mom

01:51:20.780 so we can either celebrate

01:51:22.740 a glorious,

01:51:23.880 miraculous homecoming

01:51:25.040 or,

01:51:26.400 she specifically puts this in here,

01:51:27.820 celebrate the beautiful,

01:51:28.960 brave,

01:51:29.260 and courageous,

01:51:30.420 noble life

01:51:31.160 that she has lived.

01:51:32.600 So,

01:51:33.560 she's being very explicit here

01:51:35.020 that we recognize

01:51:35.980 there's a very,

01:51:37.220 very good chance

01:51:37.980 that she's dead

01:51:39.680 and it's,

01:51:40.380 it's,

01:51:41.040 it's hoping against hope

01:51:42.880 that she's not,

01:51:44.380 but now here's a million dollars.

01:51:46.300 So,

01:51:46.620 what's that about?

01:51:47.600 I know,

01:51:47.960 it's bizarre.

01:51:49.100 And again,

01:51:49.840 this is pure speculation,

01:51:51.140 Megan,

01:51:51.280 but your point

01:51:52.020 and what you were discussing

01:51:53.320 with James just now

01:51:54.060 about the 50,000

01:51:55.060 which initially came out,

01:51:56.840 any open source research,

01:51:58.480 just a simple Google

01:51:59.320 as Savannah's salary

01:52:00.960 would bring you

01:52:02.200 into,

01:52:02.820 into the context

01:52:03.420 of 50,000

01:52:04.220 as a pittance

01:52:05.020 and it doesn't

01:52:06.260 communicate any sense

01:52:08.180 of urgency

01:52:08.780 in terms of wanting

01:52:10.000 to determine

01:52:10.980 or establish

01:52:11.760 where a mother is.

01:52:14.280 The other thing is,

01:52:15.600 again,

01:52:15.880 this is speculation

01:52:16.540 on my part,

01:52:17.800 is that certainly

01:52:18.480 the beginning

01:52:18.920 of communications

01:52:20.160 in the event

01:52:21.100 of it turning

01:52:21.660 into a kidnapping

01:52:22.700 will be too lowball

01:52:24.520 to a certain extent

01:52:25.380 until a figure

01:52:26.120 is actually presented

01:52:27.020 because it gives

01:52:27.700 some sort of indication

01:52:29.100 of what funds

01:52:29.820 may be available

01:52:30.580 or what funds

01:52:31.240 could be readily accessible

01:52:32.340 to resolve

01:52:33.500 or to settle

01:52:34.420 any kind

01:52:34.880 of ransom.

01:52:36.000 So this could

01:52:37.040 have been

01:52:37.320 as a result

01:52:38.080 of poor advice

01:52:39.160 that she was given

01:52:40.080 to only cap it

01:52:41.380 at about 50,000

01:52:42.400 because I think

01:52:42.920 any child

01:52:44.860 of a parent

01:52:46.160 that's gone missing

01:52:46.780 is going to offer

01:52:48.020 unbelievable amounts

01:52:49.700 of money

01:52:50.020 to determine

01:52:50.960 the whereabouts

01:52:51.560 or the safe return

01:52:52.400 of their parents

01:52:53.260 if they've gone missing.

01:52:54.920 So I think

01:52:55.740 in this instance

01:52:56.440 that...

01:52:56.820 Well, and there are reports

01:52:57.800 now today

01:52:58.600 that she was reportedly

01:52:59.820 ready,

01:53:00.940 Michael Ruiz of Fox

01:53:02.160 reporting on X,

01:53:03.760 sources with knowledge

01:53:04.740 of the family's thinking

01:53:05.700 say the Guthrie's

01:53:06.420 initially raised

01:53:07.120 the idea of the reward,

01:53:08.560 this bigger reward

01:53:09.340 on the first day

01:53:10.080 of the investigation.

01:53:11.200 They were advised

01:53:12.000 by law enforcement

01:53:12.580 to hold off

01:53:13.260 as, quote,

01:53:14.580 doing so earlier

01:53:15.620 might overwhelm

01:53:16.560 the infrastructure

01:53:17.320 set up to field leads,

01:53:19.620 tens of thousands

01:53:20.280 of which have been

01:53:21.280 coming in organically.

01:53:22.880 They are now offering

01:53:24.140 the seven-figure sum

01:53:25.020 after coordinating

01:53:25.720 with investigators.

01:53:27.100 I mean,

01:53:27.400 that makes sense to me.

01:53:28.340 I'm sure Savannah's

01:53:29.340 definitely got tens

01:53:29.920 of millions of dollars

01:53:30.580 in the bank.

01:53:31.040 There's no way

01:53:31.480 she would hesitate

01:53:32.040 to say here's a million

01:53:32.920 to save my mom's life.

01:53:34.760 Yeah, this is poor advice

01:53:36.280 I think initially

01:53:37.140 because you want

01:53:37.980 to set a sense of urgency

01:53:39.480 but I think

01:53:40.020 even this million dollar

01:53:41.620 sort of reward

01:53:42.540 is a mute offer

01:53:44.540 because ultimately

01:53:45.960 whoever has been involved

01:53:48.220 in the abduction

01:53:48.880 of Nancy

01:53:49.520 is highly unlikely

01:53:51.160 to provide

01:53:52.320 any kind of evidence

01:53:53.220 unless it's someone

01:53:53.900 associated

01:53:54.660 or a family member

01:53:55.920 or a friend

01:53:56.780 who knows

01:53:57.400 the individual

01:53:58.940 or the individuals

01:53:59.800 that are responsible

01:54:00.660 for Nancy's abduction

01:54:01.700 who are going

01:54:02.540 to furnish

01:54:03.080 that information

01:54:03.780 and ultimately

01:54:04.860 it's a little

01:54:05.420 too much too late.

01:54:08.180 All right,

01:54:08.920 I'm just going to go

01:54:09.960 cynical reporter

01:54:10.800 for a second here

01:54:11.760 because I believe

01:54:14.680 that story

01:54:15.420 that Savannah

01:54:16.080 was ready

01:54:16.460 to offer the money

01:54:17.220 from day one

01:54:18.000 and was told

01:54:18.660 by seasoned law enforcement

01:54:20.620 that's just going

01:54:21.240 to bring every single

01:54:22.160 crazy out of the woodwork

01:54:23.360 who thinks

01:54:24.760 they know anything

01:54:25.480 because a million dollars

01:54:26.440 is a fortune

01:54:27.260 and everyone's

01:54:29.100 going to want it

01:54:29.720 so she held it

01:54:30.900 but there is also

01:54:33.120 I'm just going to say

01:54:34.740 there's also the possibility

01:54:35.800 that the reason

01:54:38.300 somebody close to Savannah

01:54:39.780 talked her out

01:54:40.900 of offering a million dollars

01:54:42.180 early on

01:54:42.760 is they thought

01:54:44.680 somebody might

01:54:45.360 come out of the woodwork

01:54:46.680 and point the finger

01:54:47.340 at them.

01:54:48.960 You know,

01:54:49.160 I mean,

01:54:49.820 it doesn't

01:54:50.480 just because Savannah

01:54:51.420 believes in the sister

01:54:52.320 and the brother-in-law

01:54:53.140 doesn't mean

01:54:53.660 the rest of us

01:54:54.280 have to say

01:54:55.400 they had nothing

01:54:56.100 to do with it.

01:54:56.760 You know,

01:54:56.920 the cops keep going there

01:54:57.920 they keep searching

01:54:58.540 the place overnight

01:54:59.320 they towed her car

01:55:01.440 and so it's also possible

01:55:03.800 Eric,

01:55:04.480 that sister Annie

01:55:06.240 or brother-in-law Tomas

01:55:07.620 were quick to push

01:55:09.060 law enforcement's thing

01:55:10.400 saying that's

01:55:10.960 that's going to cause chaos

01:55:12.700 hold that one back

01:55:14.200 and it would certainly

01:55:16.000 help us understand

01:55:17.000 why only now

01:55:17.800 when they're completely

01:55:18.480 forlorn

01:55:19.040 and they're desperate

01:55:19.940 and seemingly

01:55:21.900 out of leads

01:55:22.700 did they try to throw

01:55:23.460 some money at the problem?

01:55:24.620 Yeah,

01:55:24.820 it's certainly possible.

01:55:26.340 You know,

01:55:26.840 when I look at this

01:55:27.640 I wonder

01:55:28.080 was the sheriff

01:55:29.840 initially thinking

01:55:31.060 this is easily

01:55:32.580 a kidnapping

01:55:33.220 because he saw

01:55:34.340 a ransom note

01:55:35.760 come in to TMZ

01:55:37.040 which might be

01:55:38.500 why he releases

01:55:39.280 the crime scene

01:55:40.300 way too early

01:55:41.280 and then sets

01:55:42.780 But he released it

01:55:43.480 before the ransom note

01:55:44.540 came in.

01:55:44.760 Right.

01:55:45.060 He released it

01:55:45.580 on Monday

01:55:46.580 and the first ransom note

01:55:47.760 I think hit Tuesday

01:55:48.860 evening or Wednesday.

01:55:49.980 And he sets the

01:55:50.660 well,

01:55:51.520 then the family

01:55:52.420 with law enforcement

01:55:53.460 set the reward

01:55:54.600 way too low

01:55:55.480 thinking that

01:55:56.500 this is a kidnapping

01:55:57.240 we're going to work

01:55:57.900 that chain

01:55:59.480 of investigation

01:56:00.860 and now realizing

01:56:02.580 that this is not

01:56:03.420 a kidnapping

01:56:03.900 it's an abduction

01:56:04.740 because kidnappers

01:56:06.680 actually want to make money

01:56:07.940 they don't

01:56:08.920 send a note

01:56:10.020 and then never respond

01:56:10.980 to you

01:56:11.380 and give you no avenue

01:56:12.780 to negotiate

01:56:13.940 with them

01:56:14.400 and here finally

01:56:15.800 they're looking

01:56:16.360 for those tips.

01:56:17.240 I like the idea

01:56:18.200 that was raised

01:56:19.900 that they got

01:56:21.360 40,000, 50,000 tips

01:56:22.840 and a lot of those tips

01:56:23.840 were nonsense

01:56:24.440 they were things like

01:56:25.600 I've got a theory

01:56:26.920 on the case

01:56:27.600 or I don't like this person

01:56:29.500 maybe it was them

01:56:30.360 and they have to

01:56:31.340 sift through that

01:56:31.960 and that's a lot

01:56:32.520 of infrastructure

01:56:33.020 to do that

01:56:33.840 and then maybe

01:56:35.740 it's fear

01:56:36.220 that if we raise it

01:56:36.940 too much

01:56:37.260 we're going to invite

01:56:37.960 a lot more of that

01:56:38.860 but at this point

01:56:40.200 look

01:56:40.520 a million dollars

01:56:41.400 is a lot of money

01:56:42.060 somebody knows that guy

01:56:43.840 and there's no honor

01:56:45.280 among thieves

01:56:46.160 maybe that person

01:56:47.340 some person

01:56:47.980 will say

01:56:49.300 hey I can make

01:56:50.040 a cool billion

01:56:50.600 and just give up

01:56:51.700 my friend.

01:56:53.440 We're banking on it

01:56:54.440 we're banking on

01:56:55.060 there being no honor

01:56:55.700 among thieves

01:56:56.360 because so far

01:56:57.060 we've gotten

01:56:57.540 no leads.

01:56:59.740 This just in

01:57:00.960 as I mentioned

01:57:01.720 when we went to break

01:57:02.760 breaking news

01:57:04.840 and it's not good

01:57:05.560 same from Fox

01:57:07.220 the DNA samples

01:57:08.940 recovered from

01:57:09.760 inside of Nancy Guthrie's home

01:57:11.580 mainly came back

01:57:13.080 to people

01:57:13.560 who had a reason

01:57:14.280 to be there

01:57:14.840 according to two

01:57:16.340 federal law enforcement

01:57:17.140 sources

01:57:17.580 one unknown sample

01:57:19.640 yielded only

01:57:20.420 a partial profile

01:57:21.620 that could not

01:57:22.680 be checked

01:57:23.220 against the FBI's

01:57:24.500 CODIS database

01:57:25.380 of known offenders.

01:57:27.960 I mean this was

01:57:29.000 the most hopeful

01:57:30.020 thing we had

01:57:30.760 Will

01:57:31.040 right?

01:57:31.980 The DNA

01:57:32.540 unlike the gloves

01:57:33.820 which are two miles away

01:57:34.900 this is unknown

01:57:36.700 DNA

01:57:37.180 inside the house

01:57:38.640 which they had

01:57:39.520 already said

01:57:39.940 they believed

01:57:40.320 was not linked

01:57:40.840 to a landscaper

01:57:41.660 or a housemate

01:57:42.400 or anybody

01:57:42.860 helping Nancy

01:57:43.700 or who knew Nancy

01:57:45.040 it was the most

01:57:46.280 promising thing

01:57:46.900 we had

01:57:47.440 and what they're

01:57:48.820 basically saying

01:57:49.600 is

01:57:49.960 no luck.

01:57:51.820 Yeah

01:57:51.920 it is a turkey

01:57:53.760 shoot

01:57:54.100 in many regards

01:57:54.940 we were talking

01:57:55.440 about this

01:57:55.900 the other night

01:57:56.580 weren't we

01:57:56.960 the other day

01:57:57.480 about trying

01:57:59.200 to get into

01:57:59.620 ancestry

01:58:00.180 and the various

01:58:00.860 other groups

01:58:02.040 and myself

01:58:02.840 and Derek

01:58:03.440 and James

01:58:03.900 were talking

01:58:04.200 about this

01:58:04.580 again in the break

01:58:05.300 that the biggest

01:58:06.280 problem you're

01:58:06.880 going to have

01:58:07.380 is even with

01:58:08.160 their assistance

01:58:09.120 and compliance

01:58:09.840 to try and

01:58:10.440 extend that DNA

01:58:11.520 surge

01:58:12.120 there is every

01:58:13.020 chance that

01:58:13.640 individuals who

01:58:14.880 may have

01:58:15.120 contributed

01:58:15.540 may opt out

01:58:16.640 in being able

01:58:17.540 to or taken

01:58:18.060 that opt out

01:58:18.760 option

01:58:19.220 to sharing it

01:58:20.440 with the parties

01:58:21.440 and ultimately

01:58:22.720 then you're into

01:58:23.480 an incredibly

01:58:24.760 difficult position

01:58:25.700 and I'm no lawyer

01:58:27.160 I wouldn't be able

01:58:27.860 to advise as to

01:58:28.740 what their next

01:58:29.560 steps might be

01:58:30.160 and the chaps

01:58:30.640 the other chaps

01:58:31.420 might come up

01:58:32.040 with some good

01:58:32.560 suggestions

01:58:33.000 but unfortunately

01:58:34.500 yes it's one

01:58:35.200 of those dead ends

01:58:36.320 which ultimately

01:58:37.780 again puts the

01:58:39.720 sheriff in a very

01:58:40.360 precarious position

01:58:41.120 because he's

01:58:42.120 lent so heavily

01:58:43.300 on various

01:58:44.320 different pieces

01:58:45.340 of the trail

01:58:46.540 that have been

01:58:47.260 discovered

01:58:47.720 and vouched

01:58:48.860 for them

01:58:49.160 and then ultimately

01:58:49.940 they've fallen apart

01:58:50.960 for one reason

01:58:51.520 or another

01:58:51.860 well what we hear

01:58:54.400 now James

01:58:55.040 and again

01:58:55.320 the DNA inside

01:58:56.320 the house

01:58:56.660 has been a bit

01:58:57.140 of a mystery

01:58:57.580 from the get-go

01:58:58.240 the sheriff

01:58:59.060 has never really

01:58:59.600 specified whether

01:59:00.340 it was blood

01:59:00.820 or something else

01:59:01.540 whatever it was

01:59:03.020 he sent to the

01:59:03.500 Florida lab

01:59:04.100 and there was a

01:59:04.500 question about

01:59:04.840 whether it should

01:59:05.260 have gone to

01:59:05.580 Quantico

01:59:06.040 I heard a very

01:59:07.500 robust defense

01:59:08.280 of the Florida

01:59:08.920 lab by

01:59:09.580 I think

01:59:11.200 I think it was

01:59:11.600 Laura Engel

01:59:12.180 who's now on

01:59:12.860 News Nation

01:59:13.300 worked with me

01:59:13.800 at Fox for years

01:59:14.580 saying it really

01:59:15.520 is a very

01:59:15.940 very respected

01:59:16.580 lab

01:59:17.000 and you know

01:59:18.460 impeccable

01:59:19.060 in its credentials

01:59:19.880 but in any event

01:59:21.380 didn't come up

01:59:21.820 with anything here

01:59:22.440 then the sheriff

01:59:23.240 said

01:59:23.940 that not only

01:59:25.460 did the gloves

01:59:25.920 in the field

01:59:26.360 not test

01:59:27.060 positive for

01:59:29.420 DNA

01:59:30.020 or become

01:59:33.460 back useful

01:59:34.040 at all

01:59:34.480 he

01:59:35.440 somebody said

01:59:36.020 how about

01:59:36.280 the DNA

01:59:36.660 inside the

01:59:37.960 house

01:59:38.120 and he

01:59:38.360 said

01:59:38.540 no

01:59:38.900 so we

01:59:39.880 it seemed

01:59:41.240 like he was

01:59:41.580 suggesting

01:59:41.920 they had

01:59:42.300 already gotten

01:59:42.860 this disappointing

01:59:43.680 news on the

01:59:44.220 DNA inside the

01:59:44.920 house

01:59:45.100 but now

01:59:45.780 today we

01:59:46.260 hear

01:59:46.600 no

01:59:47.420 this is

01:59:47.920 actually

01:59:48.260 the official

01:59:48.980 news

01:59:49.900 that the

01:59:50.260 DNA inside

01:59:50.800 the house

01:59:51.120 so far

01:59:52.020 has not

01:59:52.660 come back

01:59:53.020 helpful at

01:59:53.440 all

01:59:53.760 and now

01:59:54.780 Fox News

01:59:56.060 goes on

01:59:56.360 to report

01:59:56.660 they may

01:59:57.020 try to do

01:59:57.500 genetic

01:59:57.920 genealogy

01:59:58.580 on it

01:59:59.120 like running

02:00:00.040 it against

02:00:00.540 possibly a

02:00:01.220 state database

02:00:02.060 in Arizona

02:00:02.720 to see if

02:00:03.240 there's some

02:00:03.680 hit against

02:00:04.320 some tenth

02:00:05.340 relative

02:00:05.740 or something

02:00:06.300 that they

02:00:06.560 can start

02:00:06.860 drawing closer

02:00:07.600 lines back

02:00:08.120 to the

02:00:08.380 perp

02:00:08.660 we don't

02:00:09.840 even know

02:00:10.200 if it is

02:00:10.880 the perps

02:00:11.380 like that

02:00:12.020 might be

02:00:12.340 exciting

02:00:12.720 James

02:00:13.040 if we

02:00:13.420 thought

02:00:13.780 we know

02:00:15.020 like when

02:00:15.920 the Brian

02:00:16.220 Kohlberger

02:00:16.600 case

02:00:16.880 it's the

02:00:17.400 knife sheath

02:00:18.140 and these

02:00:18.580 people were

02:00:19.060 stabbed to

02:00:19.760 death

02:00:20.060 we're pretty

02:00:20.640 sure this

02:00:21.200 thing belonged

02:00:21.800 to the

02:00:22.080 murderer

02:00:22.420 this is like

02:00:23.520 random DNA

02:00:24.320 if you came

02:00:24.680 to my house

02:00:25.080 and tested

02:00:25.520 random DNA

02:00:26.360 even if you

02:00:26.840 tested all

02:00:27.260 the people

02:00:27.540 who come

02:00:27.860 through

02:00:28.180 to do

02:00:28.940 whatever it

02:00:29.320 is that

02:00:29.600 gets done

02:00:29.980 in a

02:00:30.160 house

02:00:30.440 you'd miss

02:00:31.320 a couple

02:00:31.820 just this

02:00:32.520 morning we

02:00:32.860 had Stanley

02:00:33.340 Steamer

02:00:33.720 here

02:00:34.100 you'd miss

02:00:34.960 I'd forget

02:00:35.480 about that

02:00:35.980 one you know

02:00:36.600 like the

02:00:36.920 once in a

02:00:37.360 while guy

02:00:37.900 like this

02:00:39.080 just doesn't

02:00:39.920 feel like a

02:00:40.400 real lead

02:00:40.980 well I

02:00:41.860 wanted to

02:00:42.300 go back

02:00:43.060 because I

02:00:43.660 think that

02:00:44.200 the language

02:00:45.580 used is

02:00:46.200 very interesting

02:00:46.880 that the

02:00:47.460 language used

02:00:48.100 was the

02:00:48.700 DNA

02:00:49.140 was for

02:00:50.600 people that

02:00:51.100 should have

02:00:51.560 been there

02:00:52.060 or people

02:00:52.680 that had

02:00:53.160 reason to

02:00:53.940 be in the

02:00:54.300 home

02:00:54.560 well who

02:00:54.900 is that

02:00:55.540 what is

02:00:56.340 that list

02:00:57.000 is is that

02:00:57.760 the sister

02:00:58.760 is it the

02:00:59.680 I'm sorry

02:01:00.200 the daughter

02:01:00.720 and the

02:01:01.240 you know

02:01:01.720 the husband

02:01:02.180 we've been

02:01:02.520 talking about

02:01:03.140 who exactly

02:01:04.480 are these

02:01:05.060 people and

02:01:05.720 then for

02:01:06.360 anyone to

02:01:07.260 say that

02:01:07.800 we're ruling

02:01:08.300 out people

02:01:08.880 how can

02:01:09.300 you do

02:01:09.560 that how

02:01:10.400 can you

02:01:10.760 rule out

02:01:11.460 100%

02:01:12.760 somebody yeah

02:01:13.620 they may

02:01:14.020 have an

02:01:14.380 alibi for

02:01:15.040 that night

02:01:15.760 but doesn't

02:01:16.840 mean they

02:01:17.140 weren't involved

02:01:17.720 in some way

02:01:18.380 shape or form

02:01:19.120 so I don't

02:01:19.900 like the

02:01:20.480 premise of we

02:01:21.460 just rule them

02:01:22.040 out now we

02:01:22.560 have DNA of

02:01:23.320 who people

02:01:24.040 that you say

02:01:25.020 should have

02:01:25.560 been in the

02:01:25.920 home well who

02:01:26.380 is that

02:01:26.960 because you

02:01:28.300 know unlike

02:01:29.140 maybe you Megan

02:01:29.940 if you've got a

02:01:30.460 bunch of

02:01:30.780 vendors I don't

02:01:31.500 have a bunch

02:01:31.900 of vendors

02:01:32.260 coming to

02:01:32.580 my home

02:01:32.880 that's a

02:01:33.260 very short

02:01:33.800 list so who

02:01:34.480 are these

02:01:34.900 people and

02:01:35.780 let's go back

02:01:36.580 I still have

02:01:37.240 not found any

02:01:38.080 information on

02:01:39.220 Pac-Man and I

02:01:40.420 haven't found any

02:01:40.940 information on the

02:01:41.740 guy on the porch

02:01:42.640 with the neck

02:01:43.220 tattoo so what

02:01:44.440 happened to those

02:01:45.200 leads did that

02:01:46.460 just go away like

02:01:47.440 the Range Rover

02:01:48.140 there's just so

02:01:49.240 much you know

02:01:50.000 unknown I

02:01:50.840 have I have an

02:01:51.940 update for you on

02:01:52.660 that and that and

02:01:53.540 this is where things

02:01:54.340 start to get really

02:01:55.060 depressing this is

02:01:57.620 reportedly I mean

02:01:58.460 it's really only

02:01:58.960 Fox News proper

02:02:00.260 and Fox News

02:02:00.920 Digital and

02:02:01.800 News Nation and

02:02:03.340 occasionally the

02:02:03.880 New York Post and

02:02:04.880 Ashley Banfield who

02:02:05.640 are actually breaking

02:02:06.340 new information on

02:02:07.120 this case ever seems

02:02:08.220 like nobody else has

02:02:08.880 actual sources although

02:02:10.240 yours truly has some

02:02:11.280 sources but this is

02:02:13.800 what this is what

02:02:15.300 we've gotten from I'm

02:02:17.420 not going to

02:02:17.700 individually source

02:02:18.380 these but obviously

02:02:20.040 NBC too that the

02:02:22.440 the gun shops where

02:02:24.580 they went in with 40

02:02:25.300 names and 40 pictures

02:02:26.240 saying do you know any

02:02:27.220 of these people did

02:02:28.040 not help that the

02:02:30.880 video pictures of the

02:02:32.520 abductor from the

02:02:34.160 nest can did not

02:02:35.740 help that just hit

02:02:37.320 that that the cops are

02:02:39.520 now saying they

02:02:40.000 didn't get any viable

02:02:41.420 leads from that I

02:02:43.400 think that is TMZ

02:02:44.720 today our sources say

02:02:46.660 neither the still

02:02:47.380 photo nor the video

02:02:48.380 from February 1st has

02:02:49.520 helped them identify

02:02:50.720 the getaway car or

02:02:53.180 the suspect so nothing

02:02:55.820 from the best lead

02:02:58.100 they had the pictures

02:02:59.100 of the perp that the

02:03:00.800 DNA inside the house

02:03:02.200 did not help that

02:03:04.200 those gloves they

02:03:04.880 found two miles away

02:03:05.720 did not help those

02:03:07.760 raids they conducted

02:03:09.020 on four different

02:03:10.720 people one guy Carlos

02:03:13.040 and then the next

02:03:14.280 weekend three other

02:03:15.320 people did not help

02:03:16.940 and then today well I

02:03:19.920 mean this past couple

02:03:22.140 days we hear this

02:03:23.860 from Brian Enten

02:03:26.320 interviewing retired

02:03:27.840 FBI agent Steve

02:03:28.920 Moore the following

02:03:29.600 question in

02:03:30.820 56 it's certainly

02:03:33.460 not a hot case

02:03:34.580 and and the way

02:03:36.040 the way I would

02:03:36.960 define that is

02:03:37.900 that they if

02:03:40.620 they thought

02:03:41.380 something was going

02:03:42.140 to happen right now

02:03:43.080 the last thing they

02:03:44.380 would be doing is

02:03:45.780 releasing assets

02:03:47.800 you know people going

02:03:49.180 back to their home

02:03:50.020 offices agents going

02:03:51.160 back to their divisions

02:03:52.140 so they don't think

02:03:54.880 it's imminent but

02:03:56.820 they it is not

02:03:58.360 cold cold to where

02:03:59.920 they assign it just

02:04:01.340 to one or two

02:04:02.160 agents and they see

02:04:03.440 what they can do

02:04:04.260 with it so

02:04:05.100 technically no I

02:04:06.200 would not call it

02:04:07.040 cold I would say

02:04:08.420 that it is cooled

02:04:09.240 off quite a bit

02:04:10.300 cooled off quite a

02:04:12.920 bit and not hot is

02:04:14.040 not great James

02:04:14.800 no it's not and

02:04:15.880 again I I hope you

02:04:17.620 know what I'm talking

02:04:18.180 about when I say

02:04:18.600 Pac-Man it was a guy

02:04:19.620 that we had the video

02:04:20.360 and he had the two

02:04:21.040 backpacks and then

02:04:21.980 we had another video

02:04:23.000 of a guy with the

02:04:23.880 neck tattoo

02:04:24.300 they ruled him out

02:04:24.880 too they said it

02:04:25.760 wasn't him right

02:04:26.400 and that's what I'm

02:04:27.040 concerned about is

02:04:28.040 you know that's a

02:04:30.060 lot of ruling out

02:04:30.920 there's a lot of

02:04:31.620 ruling out going on

02:04:32.680 and then I read that

02:04:33.960 the the sheriff and

02:04:35.640 two of his top

02:04:36.540 deputies who've been

02:04:37.460 with him forever

02:04:38.160 they're the only

02:04:38.880 people who are you

02:04:40.000 know leading the

02:04:40.860 case or running the

02:04:41.800 case well who's doing

02:04:43.060 the interrogations

02:04:43.980 interrogation is an

02:04:45.060 art and that has

02:04:46.000 developed over 20

02:04:47.380 plus years of being

02:04:49.020 in the box with a

02:04:50.100 person you know and

02:04:51.200 really you got to

02:04:53.220 know what you're

02:04:53.680 doing in there and

02:04:54.520 to just rule somebody

02:04:55.580 out what are you

02:04:56.260 using a liar liar

02:04:57.200 pants on fire

02:04:57.900 defense I mean I

02:04:58.660 don't understand how

02:04:59.760 we're just ruling

02:05:00.720 these people out

02:05:01.600 arbitrarily without

02:05:03.080 you know really doing

02:05:04.480 some hard interviews

02:05:05.280 to get some

02:05:05.920 information and I

02:05:07.360 thought those were

02:05:07.840 pretty good leads

02:05:08.500 and I hate to hear

02:05:09.420 that they've been

02:05:10.300 ruled you know

02:05:11.100 ruled out

02:05:11.840 I know I mean this

02:05:14.360 is depressing well to

02:05:15.800 hear that all like

02:05:16.860 literally every every

02:05:18.060 clue we've been

02:05:19.000 discussing since the

02:05:19.860 case first broke has

02:05:21.380 been it's gone nowhere

02:05:22.980 yeah I mean did you

02:05:24.460 remember Megan I

02:05:25.420 mentioned to you a

02:05:26.940 while back on one of

02:05:27.780 the other shows that

02:05:29.500 certainly in a

02:05:30.280 kidnapping and I'm not

02:05:31.100 saying it was a

02:05:31.840 kidnapping all we know

02:05:33.160 is it's an abduction

02:05:34.020 that she disappeared

02:05:35.100 but in kidnappings we

02:05:37.600 have what we call the

02:05:38.440 70 percent rule which

02:05:39.780 means in 70 percent of

02:05:41.320 kidnappings or

02:05:42.640 abductions there will

02:05:44.020 be someone close to

02:05:45.320 the victim or close to

02:05:46.600 the the hostage

02:05:47.900 70 70 who will

02:05:50.880 actually have some

02:05:52.220 involvement whether

02:05:53.020 they be providing

02:05:54.200 information to the

02:05:55.800 abductors or the

02:05:56.860 kidnappers or it be

02:05:58.720 someone that is known

02:05:59.660 to the hostage you

02:06:01.060 know so so ultimately

02:06:02.800 again I agree with

02:06:03.980 James I agree with

02:06:04.900 Eric it's just simply

02:06:06.860 bizarre that he's

02:06:08.440 the sheriff is

02:06:09.320 discounting and

02:06:10.560 eliminating certain

02:06:11.840 people from the

02:06:12.500 inquiries and saying

02:06:13.460 well that's those

02:06:14.740 suspects that closed

02:06:15.540 off until such time as

02:06:17.140 the body has been

02:06:18.140 determined and found

02:06:19.580 everybody's still a

02:06:21.280 suspect in my book

02:06:22.200 and now the the other

02:06:25.480 evidence that the case

02:06:26.600 may be growing cold is

02:06:29.020 the reports that are

02:06:31.860 growing that the news

02:06:32.940 media has left I mean

02:06:35.180 that local representative

02:06:36.680 the Arizona congresswoman

02:06:38.660 like the state

02:06:39.780 congresswoman legislator

02:06:40.940 has been begging the

02:06:42.580 media to leave and

02:06:43.500 we've been mocking her

02:06:44.260 how dare she how

02:06:45.700 dare she because once

02:06:46.500 the media goes the

02:06:47.340 cops will eventually go

02:06:48.180 to there will not be

02:06:48.980 400 officers on this

02:06:50.040 case once the media

02:06:51.180 loses interest

02:06:51.960 guaranteed guaranteed

02:06:54.140 um but now look at

02:06:56.100 this report from news

02:06:57.260 for Tucson reporter

02:06:58.340 Andrew Capasso here

02:06:59.820 showing the scene

02:07:00.940 outside of Nancy's

02:07:01.800 house yesterday

02:07:02.800 sat 55

02:07:03.540 and you know that

02:07:05.280 there has been a lot

02:07:06.320 of media out here a

02:07:07.540 lot of national

02:07:08.140 networks cable networks

02:07:09.340 um and they've all

02:07:11.060 been um up and down

02:07:12.680 this street here of

02:07:13.680 course the house is on

02:07:14.460 this side here and

02:07:15.800 that's where uh most of

02:07:17.360 the media has been um

02:07:19.040 one thing you'll notice

02:07:20.240 is there's almost no one

02:07:21.760 left it's the cones

02:07:23.080 that uh the county put

02:07:24.760 up this weekend but

02:07:26.140 there are very few

02:07:27.680 reporters left here this

02:07:29.480 morning when I was

02:07:30.040 doing my live shots

02:07:30.840 normally you would be

02:07:31.820 able to hear the other

02:07:32.640 reporters uh in my

02:07:34.460 microphone because we're

02:07:35.340 just so close to each

02:07:36.340 other this morning it

02:07:37.980 was I was the only one

02:07:39.080 out here uh doing live

02:07:40.540 shots and sure enough

02:07:42.760 Eric you the New York

02:07:43.680 Post is reporting that

02:07:44.720 uh some resources are

02:07:46.620 leaving they're they're

02:07:47.920 starting to cut down on

02:07:49.340 the number of law

02:07:50.460 enforcement officers they

02:07:51.280 have devoted to this

02:07:52.120 yeah I mean the interest

02:07:53.860 generates a lot of the

02:07:55.140 detail and and the more

02:07:56.400 that we learn about the

02:07:57.060 case the more that the

02:07:57.900 public remains interested

02:07:58.940 and that can keep law

02:07:59.900 enforcement engaged

02:08:01.660 especially when you've

02:08:03.060 got the president of the

02:08:04.220 United States saying he

02:08:05.260 wants this case solved

02:08:06.200 now I don't think the

02:08:07.080 FBI backs off I mean we

02:08:08.780 can be very tenacious when

02:08:10.100 there's a case in an

02:08:10.860 investigation you never

02:08:11.860 want to give up and you

02:08:13.000 do want to find the

02:08:13.840 perpetrator but it is

02:08:15.540 looking more and more

02:08:16.620 difficult and that it's

02:08:19.140 going to take a lot more

02:08:19.840 time because all of these

02:08:20.980 avenues just as you one

02:08:22.740 after the other uh set up

02:08:24.320 and knocked down are

02:08:25.180 falling apart you know

02:08:26.540 relying on genetic

02:08:27.520 genealogy to try to trace a

02:08:30.160 partial match of DNA that

02:08:31.800 is not in the CODIS

02:08:32.720 database which the

02:08:34.040 combined DNA index system

02:08:35.600 that's the FBI's

02:08:36.240 database it was always

02:08:37.540 going to be a long shot

02:08:38.500 that a piece of DNA from

02:08:40.060 that house was going to be

02:08:40.900 in CODIS I mean that

02:08:41.780 would be your bad guy or

02:08:42.660 at least someone who had a

02:08:43.560 record but I I'm gonna

02:08:45.400 I'm gonna agree with my

02:08:46.200 co-panelists it's a real

02:08:47.780 bad idea to rule out

02:08:49.040 anyone who was in that

02:08:50.000 home why that is a big

02:08:51.920 house and we know from a

02:08:53.580 lot of the information

02:08:54.560 that there's good evidence

02:08:56.520 that the perpetrators

02:08:57.620 cased the area and the

02:08:59.180 home earlier than the

02:09:01.120 event which means you

02:09:02.740 know if they're gonna

02:09:03.500 break in the house they've

02:09:04.300 got to know where to go

02:09:05.260 they have to know where

02:09:05.860 her bedroom is you're not

02:09:06.860 just gonna go wander

02:09:07.720 around in a home uh for

02:09:09.520 whatever reason they were

02:09:10.440 there that turned into an

02:09:11.480 abduction blind and usually

02:09:13.980 in these sort of cases it's

02:09:15.380 someone with knowledge of

02:09:16.540 the home already someone

02:09:17.700 who's been inside the

02:09:18.640 home so I don't know why

02:09:19.940 you would rule out everyone

02:09:21.220 who uh I don't know what

02:09:22.560 the term was but but had a

02:09:23.660 reason to be there I mean I

02:09:24.860 wouldn't even rule out the

02:09:25.700 pool boy who's still allowed

02:09:26.900 to go over there and

02:09:28.200 clean the pool um I

02:09:29.920 wouldn't make sure that

02:09:30.760 anyone and was there yeah

02:09:32.460 right was was still being

02:09:34.040 looked at here's something

02:09:34.780 else here's something else

02:09:36.560 that just happened um the

02:09:38.520 news just broke that the

02:09:39.740 police are are at Nancy

02:09:41.500 Guthrie's right now posting

02:09:43.660 no trespassing signs outside

02:09:46.120 of her home they're posting

02:09:47.540 no trespassing signs I don't

02:09:49.220 know if this is the reason

02:09:50.000 why but Phil Holloway our

02:09:52.220 own uh MK true crime

02:09:53.740 contributor he um posted

02:09:57.460 this video we're showing

02:09:58.580 here yesterday with the

02:10:00.820 following caption he'd just

02:10:02.620 been out at Nancy's house

02:10:03.840 last week what in the fresh

02:10:05.760 hell is going on at Nancy

02:10:07.020 Guthrie's house this is

02:10:07.840 before the no trespassing

02:10:08.820 signs today this group of

02:10:10.340 women from Mexico are

02:10:11.980 digging in her yard looking

02:10:14.400 for her body it's like these

02:10:17.260 women just walked up with a

02:10:18.360 shovel one of the

02:10:19.780 commentators responded or

02:10:21.180 the you know the people on

02:10:22.060 X um that that these are

02:10:25.580 actually like it's a known

02:10:26.620 group of women that they're

02:10:27.720 amazing that they actually

02:10:29.080 do look for people who have

02:10:30.740 disappeared in Mexico

02:10:32.000 including their their loved

02:10:33.600 ones they do research and

02:10:35.420 they dig until they find

02:10:36.760 bodies or what's left of

02:10:39.040 them so this actually is a

02:10:40.280 thing but I'm gonna guess

02:10:42.200 law enforcement's not too

02:10:43.280 keen on them just showing up

02:10:44.400 at the Nancy Guthrie

02:10:45.220 property no not at all I

02:10:48.340 mean starting today that's a

02:10:49.700 huge problem and imagine

02:10:51.260 like is the guy gonna abduct

02:10:53.600 Nancy from the home and

02:10:54.920 then you know spend the time

02:10:56.380 to bury him right bury her

02:10:58.380 right on the property and

02:10:59.400 that doesn't make sense but

02:11:00.840 when things are this

02:11:02.220 sensational you know it can

02:11:04.200 come from the goodness of

02:11:05.000 your heart you feel like you

02:11:05.800 I really want to help which

02:11:07.140 is one of the reason that

02:11:08.080 there's so many tips from

02:11:09.280 people who have no

02:11:10.100 knowledge but then you get a

02:11:12.000 group who decides they're

02:11:12.720 going to go dig in their

02:11:13.540 property and that that can

02:11:15.320 cause you can imagine how

02:11:16.740 many problems that can cause for

02:11:17.880 the investigation well all

02:11:20.700 along we've been wondering if

02:11:21.860 the reason the sheriff called

02:11:24.200 off the search and rescue

02:11:25.340 literally on day two I mean

02:11:27.980 she went missing at 2 30 in

02:11:30.400 the morning on Saturday into

02:11:31.640 Sunday and by Monday late

02:11:34.080 afternoon he called off the

02:11:35.220 search and rescue is because

02:11:38.360 he knew at some level she had

02:11:40.080 died that this was not a

02:11:41.600 search and rescue that this was

02:11:43.300 a murder investigation and

02:11:45.000 therefore not an urgent hurry

02:11:48.860 a priority important to solve

02:11:51.640 but not an urgent panicked

02:11:53.220 hurry the way you'd have if you

02:11:55.500 really believed there was a

02:11:56.600 missing person and you could get

02:11:57.640 them because Callahan Walsh of

02:11:59.680 the missing four exploited

02:12:01.180 children will tell you if you

02:12:02.720 don't find a stolen person within

02:12:05.340 the first day they're dead I mean

02:12:07.800 he'll say it a lot nicer than

02:12:09.460 that but you have to find them

02:12:11.240 right away or forget it and

02:12:13.260 that dovetails with something

02:12:15.900 Ashley just added to her

02:12:17.060 reporting over the weekend about

02:12:19.280 the DNA that was inside the

02:12:21.200 house Sheriff Nanos won't tell

02:12:23.260 us but she got some details I

02:12:26.000 don't know if this is the

02:12:26.640 entirety of the DNA but she did

02:12:29.380 get some more details on what

02:12:30.980 was found inside of that house

02:12:32.740 here it is in SOT 54

02:12:34.800 today another law enforcement

02:12:38.280 source familiar with the

02:12:39.260 investigation has said that the

02:12:42.480 pattern of that blood inside the

02:12:44.880 house matches the pattern

02:12:46.880 outside the house outside Nancy's

02:12:49.580 front doors those pattern

02:12:50.680 droplets as many experts have

02:12:53.720 you know describe it are as

02:12:55.620 vertical there they're there they

02:12:57.620 fall straight up and down 90

02:12:59.540 degrees and there's no smears

02:13:03.080 there's no stepping in it there's

02:13:04.260 no struggle there's no signs of

02:13:05.740 struggle on that front doorstep

02:13:07.160 my source tells me it is exactly

02:13:09.120 the same inside the house that

02:13:10.960 there's no sign of struggle in

02:13:12.200 that blood it's not smeared there's

02:13:13.560 no steps they are those straight

02:13:15.820 up and down drop pattern blood I

02:13:18.360 asked where in the house and I did

02:13:21.260 not get that answer I can't tell you

02:13:23.240 if it was in the bedroom if it was

02:13:24.660 in the front entrance

02:13:25.340 so that's a pretty good clue as to

02:13:29.980 what went down that night

02:13:31.100 potentially well yeah I think so I

02:13:32.940 mean to cover your first point

02:13:34.440 Megan which was about the search

02:13:35.640 and rescue and the sheriff calling

02:13:37.680 it off very quickly I am more

02:13:40.720 inclined to although statistically

02:13:42.700 yes the chances of recovering

02:13:44.320 someone within a designated period

02:13:46.420 of time it diminishes beyond that

02:13:48.600 time but until such time as unless

02:13:50.860 he had specific evidence to

02:13:52.480 support the reasoning for calling

02:13:54.560 off that search and rescue I think

02:13:55.920 the search and rescue should

02:13:56.820 continue whether it be using drones

02:13:59.380 whether it be using aerial

02:14:00.820 capabilities whether it be

02:14:02.340 soliciting the neighbors all sorts

02:14:04.320 of things this can go on for an

02:14:05.880 awfully long time and determining

02:14:07.520 also what Nancy's typical pattern of

02:14:10.300 life was you know what was her

02:14:11.620 routine where did she go was there a

02:14:13.940 local coffee shop that she would

02:14:15.180 regularly frequent until such time as

02:14:17.340 all those inquiries had been

02:14:18.520 exhausted I don't think you can call

02:14:20.340 off a search and rescue and I've had

02:14:21.680 individuals where communications

02:14:23.380 with with kidnappers has broken down

02:14:26.480 and you'll you'll actually send out a

02:14:28.960 missing persons initiative so again

02:14:31.420 it falls again into this bundle of

02:14:33.980 errors that the sheriff seems to be

02:14:35.580 calling whether it be opening up the

02:14:37.360 crime scene enabling you know treasure

02:14:39.980 hunters to come and start digging

02:14:41.400 around I agree with Eric entirely on

02:14:43.400 the point of you know if if she was

02:14:45.820 going to be incapacitated and certainly

02:14:48.160 from the drops of blood it would

02:14:49.560 appear and I think I can give the

02:14:50.700 credit to Eric on this because we

02:14:52.120 discussed this during the break that

02:14:54.000 she was probably being carried over the

02:14:56.440 individuals the perpetrator's shoulder

02:14:58.100 which is hence why the drops fell as

02:15:00.640 they did through the property and then

02:15:02.420 out and I'm sure Eric will probably be

02:15:04.000 able to give you a little bit more on

02:15:05.040 that he's probably more of a blood

02:15:06.280 expert than me but certainly it just

02:15:09.200 seems a catalogue of errors as to the

02:15:12.760 how the whole site has been managed the

02:15:15.500 process has been managed and and it

02:15:17.660 smacks horribly of a pettiness that's

02:15:21.140 the sheriff has towards the the bureau

02:15:23.640 and and his unwillingness well on that

02:15:27.460 front on that front this is speculative

02:15:30.500 on my part but my understanding is if

02:15:33.680 this is officially a kidnapping from day

02:15:35.580 one the FBI does have jurisdiction like

02:15:37.960 that they the FBI could have swooped in

02:15:39.960 and said we'll take it if it's just an

02:15:43.460 abduction if it's a murder then it's a

02:15:45.480 local crime and it's the sheriff's so I

02:15:48.040 could have that wrong but I did hear that

02:15:49.640 from a legal expert I trust over the

02:15:52.040 weekend and that could pretend we know

02:15:55.720 this sheriff he denies it but we know

02:15:57.400 from his earlier statements he can't

02:15:58.720 stay on the FBI he has a bad history

02:16:00.840 with them he does not like them they've

02:16:03.240 investigated his department and it's

02:16:05.860 possible he was like it's an abduction

02:16:07.780 it's not an it's not a kidnapping there's

02:16:10.360 no reason for the FBI and then eventually

02:16:12.180 like 72 hours in he realized oh shit I'm

02:16:14.920 in over my head I don't know it's just a

02:16:16.720 possibility but that the blood pattern

02:16:20.740 inside the house matching the blood

02:16:23.140 pattern outside the house that we've

02:16:24.960 seen Eric is interesting that with the

02:16:28.300 new detail that she was taken from her

02:16:30.240 bed is starting to give us a visual in

02:16:33.240 how they got her out so expand on your

02:16:35.440 statement to will well you know what we

02:16:37.420 were talking about earlier is it seems

02:16:39.280 like if it's a nine degrees so you have a

02:16:41.060 straight line of pattern of blood droplets

02:16:42.920 moving along now she could have been

02:16:45.240 carried she could have been dragged and

02:16:47.160 bleeding you know there are a couple

02:16:48.560 reasons she could be bleeding there

02:16:49.920 could have been brought in force trauma

02:16:51.280 and then she's pulled out she could have

02:16:53.360 been actually killed in the home and it's

02:16:55.640 and it's not a reduction of the person

02:16:57.340 but taking away of the body or you know

02:17:00.680 something could happen in the home an

02:17:02.460 altercation and they decided we need we

02:17:04.420 need to get her out we need to go and as

02:17:07.540 she's being pulled along she's bleeding

02:17:08.980 when you're 84 years old if you're grabbed

02:17:11.760 roughly that skin can tear a lot easier

02:17:14.460 than when you're much younger and so that

02:17:17.400 could have caused it but either way it

02:17:19.640 looks to me that she was pulled out it or

02:17:23.340 carried she she dropped blood in a certain

02:17:26.380 pattern that matches interior of the house

02:17:28.740 the porch and of course along the driveway

02:17:31.400 and then she's thrown in a car and taken

02:17:33.420 away and we we don't know what happened to

02:17:36.640 her since then well and the other thing we

02:17:39.940 don't know is how much blood is inside

02:17:42.860 which is why you know I've wondered all

02:17:45.220 along if this sheriff is leaning toward

02:17:47.760 murder as opposed to abduction and he's got

02:17:52.140 to keep abduction open because she's no

02:17:56.060 longer there James but if there's a lot of

02:18:00.080 blood inside that house it's possible the

02:18:02.980 sheriff all along has been and don't forget

02:18:04.540 he called in homicide detectives immediately

02:18:06.620 it's possible from the get-go he's been

02:18:09.120 thinking this is a homicide yeah and

02:18:11.200 you're right and he also might have told

02:18:13.680 her you know or told Savannah she was

02:18:15.500 taken from her bed because that's where

02:18:17.280 the you know a large deposit of the blood

02:18:19.240 was that would make complete sense if the

02:18:21.580 video we're now seeing but why take the

02:18:24.540 body this case just the more you look at

02:18:27.200 it the less and less it makes any sense

02:18:29.420 you know why take her body if if she died

02:18:33.440 you know in the bed or right there there

02:18:35.120 was a struggle she fought James yeah you

02:18:37.580 know and then she's got the perpetrators

02:18:39.040 DNA under her fingertips yeah it's possible

02:18:41.840 again there had been a reason I try not

02:18:44.120 too much to get in the head of these

02:18:45.580 people because you know you drive yourself

02:18:47.140 crazy but it's just bizarre and then I

02:18:50.480 think unless Eric saw it somewhere I have

02:18:53.160 not seen a lot of blood leaving the porch

02:18:55.780 going down that little step up you know

02:18:58.540 the steps with the wrought iron where

02:19:00.320 that blue t-shirt was left I I've only

02:19:02.740 seen blood yeah like I don't see any here's

02:19:05.240 the Fox News video right and it does show

02:19:07.400 some blood on that this little path that

02:19:10.540 we're looking at right now leading into the

02:19:13.740 the red bricks so the blood does continue

02:19:16.120 that was news that we didn't know courtesy

02:19:18.640 of Fox yeah it's after they released that

02:19:22.380 video of the intruder here's you can see see a

02:19:24.600 little see blood okay drops of blood this

02:19:27.620 is courtesy of Fox and interesting that

02:19:29.740 he didn't step in it interesting it is

02:19:31.780 very dark we know how dark it is there so

02:19:34.160 how do we you know from an evidentiary

02:19:36.400 standpoint how do we how do we get get

02:19:38.720 there how was he able to carry her or

02:19:41.360 move her and and that thing's falling at a

02:19:44.060 90 without you know any real movement

02:19:46.660 which you would expect carrying someone

02:19:47.960 out and then not step in it it two in the

02:19:50.600 morning with it's so dark there maybe

02:19:52.440 he's using that mouth light that he had

02:19:54.400 but it's odd to me well Eric's theory of

02:19:57.300 her possibly being over his shoulder like

02:19:59.880 bleeding behind him like as he walked

02:20:03.140 forward yeah yeah that would explain yeah I

02:20:05.960 like that a lot and then what to the car

02:20:08.200 and then we go

02:20:09.000 um but but I mean you guys could speak to

02:20:13.440 this more easily than I I think I could

02:20:15.480 speculate to it but hair I think she was um

02:20:19.540 five foot five and 150 pounds um if she were

02:20:27.280 no longer living that would be extremely

02:20:30.560 heavy right to live yes deadweight like a

02:20:34.020 deadweight of 150 pounds weighs even more

02:20:36.880 it feels like it weighs even more right I

02:20:38.620 mean Eric you're but we're also we're

02:20:40.060 also assuming that there's only one

02:20:41.500 person that there could be multiple

02:20:43.140 people and I suspect there there would

02:20:45.060 have been multiple people if they're

02:20:47.060 carrying her out right um you know that's

02:20:50.040 very difficult for an or it could be one

02:20:51.640 person who kind of uh restraints her you

02:20:54.840 know you had a lot in that backpack you

02:20:56.540 know you so he could have had restraint she

02:20:57.920 could have gagged her um she could have

02:20:59.340 been bleeding he walked her out um and and

02:21:02.840 forced her into a car so we just don't

02:21:04.780 know it's carrying I bet you there's more

02:21:07.300 than one person but I would expect there

02:21:09.320 might be

02:21:09.620 yeah we have zero reason to disbelieve that

02:21:14.980 right zero reason to disbelieve we did we

02:21:17.260 haven't seen it like an empty car sitting

02:21:19.440 there waiting we didn't see a the perp come

02:21:21.860 up and turn off the ignition with no one

02:21:23.980 else in it like we there absolutely could

02:21:26.200 have been another person there well you

02:21:27.320 were going to say something yeah I was

02:21:28.900 just going to say I mean again good going

02:21:30.980 by Eric's um theory there and I certainly

02:21:33.400 would agree with James as well the points

02:21:35.020 he's made uh is that there's been no

02:21:37.440 flourish there's to be no results of

02:21:39.180 neighbors cameras um and I'd be interested

02:21:42.120 to know that any of the budding influences

02:21:44.380 or or uh journalists that are actually on

02:21:47.020 the ground there whether they've actually

02:21:48.240 done a sight and scene survey of the the

02:21:51.260 nearest residences to see if anybody does

02:21:53.640 actually have cameras because if there was

02:21:55.800 more than one person if there was a vehicle

02:21:58.180 that they could potentially trace you know

02:21:59.920 that sort of information is really

02:22:01.320 important but I don't think we've heard a

02:22:02.640 great deal from the sheriff in that

02:22:03.840 regard well I have a question for you as

02:22:06.660 our kidnapping expert um if they took I

02:22:12.260 agree with James I think we all agree

02:22:13.500 with James why take the body like if this

02:22:15.460 was a murder why take the body now it's

02:22:17.680 possible like I said there was DNA there

02:22:19.520 was a struggle there was something they

02:22:20.660 thought could identify them that they

02:22:22.800 might have left behind on her because

02:22:25.160 clearly this guy while he didn't seem to

02:22:27.600 do very well with that nest camera he did

02:22:30.800 a very good job of masking his identity

02:22:32.980 and his DNA that now here we are 24 days

02:22:36.320 in and we have no clue who he is so this

02:22:38.780 guy watched a lot of dateline or has

02:22:41.040 committed a lot of crime um so okay but if

02:22:45.600 it was a planned kidnapping taking the body

02:22:47.980 makes all the sense in the world so he

02:22:51.740 heard her he took her out he intended to

02:22:54.540 ask for money and then maybe she died she's

02:22:57.920 84 she doesn't have the heart medication

02:22:59.380 this whole thing was like extremely

02:23:00.940 traumatic yeah wouldn't you're wouldn't

02:23:04.580 you have thought if you're a guy who's

02:23:06.500 gone to all that effort to steal Nancy

02:23:09.520 Nancy Guthrie and then she dies you send

02:23:13.400 in a lock of hair you whatever you send a

02:23:18.040 very detailed description of what she was

02:23:20.340 wearing when you took her the actual

02:23:23.020 pajamas you know like we all know like if

02:23:26.020 you spend enough time with your 84 year

02:23:27.280 old mother you know what she wears you

02:23:28.400 know what she wears to bed you know it's

02:23:30.040 like if somebody were to describe to me my

02:23:31.840 mom's choice of nightgowns I would know

02:23:34.240 them all so like why under this theory would

02:23:38.200 he just give up why would he just disappear

02:23:40.420 well I mean to make a difference Megan

02:23:44.140 between you know what we do in the private

02:23:46.640 sector to what the chaps do obviously as as

02:23:49.640 federal you know bureau of investigation

02:23:52.100 that I was talking about this with James

02:23:54.880 in the break the product that the advantage

02:23:56.780 that we have in the private sector is that

02:23:59.440 we are not interested in apprehending the

02:24:02.100 kidnappers we simply want the hostage back

02:24:04.500 so we're not obligated we're not driven to

02:24:08.840 finding out the kidnappers identities and

02:24:11.400 trying to get them apprehended we just want

02:24:13.340 the hostage back and we communicate that from

02:24:14.980 the outset now obviously as soon as the bureau

02:24:17.720 got involved as soon as the sheriff was

02:24:19.300 involved the problem that these guys had or

02:24:22.180 this individual had before even submitting

02:24:25.300 and I've had certainly weeks go past before

02:24:28.260 even a ransom demand can be delivered and

02:24:31.500 to cover excuse me the point that you made

02:24:33.400 earlier which was about there only being

02:24:35.140 $50,000 whether it be $50,000 or a million

02:24:38.940 dollars that was being offered for the safe

02:24:41.640 return or the identification of of Nancy's

02:24:44.600 whereabouts you're still going to get chances

02:24:47.080 that come out of the woodwork and it's only

02:24:48.840 through that proof of life that you can narrow it

02:24:50.840 down to who it might be so my concern is and I

02:24:54.360 think this is the case because it's understanding

02:24:56.600 the the motivation behind that abduction why would

02:25:00.120 that abduction be taking place and what would be the

02:25:03.320 purpose for it other than to try and shake down

02:25:06.600 savannah in some shape or form for some financial

02:25:10.040 benefit and we look at Nancy's profile pretty low

02:25:12.600 profile in the area the sister and her husband low

02:25:15.640 profile savannah well-known face on the tv so you

02:25:19.880 know she was a a prime candidate for this kind of

02:25:23.160 extortion but because this garnished so much publicity

02:25:27.080 so quickly and I think because of our publicity hungry

02:25:30.120 sheriff especially giving interviews left right and

02:25:32.920 sent her I think if she was indeed taken for ransom

02:25:37.720 and then there's every good chance that the kidnapper or

02:25:40.920 kidnappers have panicked and and that unfortunately would

02:25:44.600 probably bring about the demise of Nancy because what else

02:25:47.400 are they going to do okay so now a new a new window has

02:25:55.000 opened because in this scenario Nancy's passed you can't

02:26:00.520 send proof of life anymore at this point I don't even know if

02:26:04.360 you could send hair I'm not even sure if hair would register as

02:26:07.560 coming from a deceased person you know but at this point they'd

02:26:10.680 have to get rid of Nancy remains I mean

02:26:13.240 well the hair would have her dna so that would that'd be great if

02:26:16.280 they had it but they probably don't

02:26:18.200 I know but can it tell you whether the person is dead or

02:26:20.120 right of course yes like if they pull it out from the root

02:26:22.920 I'm just gonna I don't know I mean I I've done some negotiations for the

02:26:27.960 return where it's been an unprofessional amateur group where

02:26:31.960 the hostage has died you know through their mishandling of

02:26:35.400 of the hostage but the family still wants obviously their relative back

02:26:40.520 now again this comes the difference between obviously law enforcement and

02:26:44.840 the private sector the private sector we can still through various

02:26:49.000 evidences determine obviously that they do have

02:26:51.480 um the person in question the hostage um for again the risk to negotiate even for

02:26:57.480 the return of someone who's deceased with a law enforcement agency increases

02:27:02.520 the chances of their apprehension and that that's unfortunately the big hurdle

02:27:06.760 that this could be faced right now

02:27:08.360 what are you suggesting well might be smart for savannah right now like right now to

02:27:13.160 bring in someone like you and say it's too late you don't have to do the fbi

02:27:16.760 sadly it's too late and law enforcement will now have an obligation under law to

02:27:22.120 obviously continue their investigation so the likes of ourselves would be you know

02:27:27.000 just not a relevant element well what do you guys think jim james and

02:27:32.440 eric about the possibility now this window opens up you've you've stolen this

02:27:37.560 woman you can't ask for ransom because she's died this is an imaginary scenario we're

02:27:41.720 just speculating here but then savannah guthrie drops a million dollar a reward out there

02:27:48.680 and you you do know the answers to get you the money so what are the odds this guy now

02:27:58.600 through through an intermediary or through his own somehow says i know where she is if we're right

02:28:05.480 he's not going to give himself up yeah if we're putting it together and we're we're looking at it as

02:28:09.240 abduction abduction for money or kidnapping gone bad and nancy dies and now they have her and

02:28:14.200 they've been sitting on her uh thinking what are we going to do we can't really show a sign of life

02:28:20.360 without showing that um that she's passed and now there's a one million dollar reward

02:28:26.120 you could see someone saying hey i know where the body is right and um and i want to stay anonymous

02:28:33.560 and you need to give me that gets you the reward it gets you the reward because savannah said um

02:28:38.440 she finished it by saying a hundred thousand dollar or sorry a million dollar reward um you

02:28:44.520 can call 1-800 tip line you can be anonymous uh i'm trying to find the line but she said basically

02:28:51.160 consistent with fbi practices um you're oh this is on her instagram her caption reads someone knows how

02:28:57.000 to find our mom and bring her home call 1-800 call fbi you can remain anonymous or find a way to reach out to

02:29:01.560 me note family reward of up to 1 million will be paid only for recovery of nancy guthrie consistent

02:29:07.880 with fbi criteria for payment of its reward in this case the hundred thousand and we actually looked

02:29:12.680 up that criteria the fbi said reward is up to one hundred thousand dollars for info leading to the

02:29:19.000 location of nancy guthrie and or the arrest and conviction of anyone involved in her disappearance

02:29:26.280 so you can get the dough if you can just point them to the location of nancy guthrie keep going eric

02:29:30.760 right and well this the fear there would be of course that do i trust it right am i more worried

02:29:36.440 about my personal safety and security or the avarice of getting this reward because if you if you're that

02:29:43.560 savvy to go into a home abduct a person and not leave any of your dna behind then you gotta take the

02:29:49.960 next step at least to do some research to realize that there are methods that the fbi can use to track

02:29:55.160 back things and you have to make a communication in order to do this um uh so i mean i don't want

02:30:00.760 to say too much because maybe they're listening to the show and uh and the techniques that the fbi can

02:30:05.400 use um but you're you're banking here on the fact that they really want to make something off of this

02:30:10.600 they put in a lot of time and effort into it and criminals want to get paid they don't make money

02:30:15.960 unless they win um so it is possible that someone could come forward and say i know where the body is

02:30:21.400 and if you pay me i'll tell you and now you're getting up to real numbers you know don't forget

02:30:27.720 that backpack which they've determined came from walmart cost eleven dollars now that doesn't mean

02:30:32.920 this guy is has fallen on hard times lots of us would buy an eleven dollar backpack but the odds are

02:30:39.880 if you're on somebody's doorstep in the middle of the night wearing a ski mask trying to abduct an old

02:30:43.800 lady you're not rolling in dough and so you know you're talking a seven-figure reward i just want to i want to

02:30:50.840 get james to weigh in on this and i also want to talk about what now that so many of these things

02:30:54.840 have gone cold we'll keep you guys over if you don't mind stand by hey everyone it's me megan

02:31:00.040 kelly i've got some exciting news i now have my very own channel on sirius xm it's called the megan

02:31:06.520 kelly channel and it is where you will hear the truth unfiltered with no agenda and no apologies

02:31:11.960 along with the megan kelly show you're going to hear from people like mark halperin link lauren

02:31:16.120 maureen callahan emily jashinsky jesse kelly real clear politics and many more it's bold no bs news

02:31:23.320 only on the megan kelly channel sirius xm 111 and on the sirius xm app

02:31:32.840 okay and we're back so james your your thoughts on on all this on on where things stand now well

02:31:39.720 two things one it would be if we're going with that they did this at the behest of someone i'm

02:31:46.920 not going to say the son-in-law but it you know anybody you know had a reason to do this they

02:31:51.160 hired somebody to do it and then god forbid you know she died during the thing and they would call

02:31:57.080 back to the person saying hey we screwed this up she's dead and then more than likely the person

02:32:01.400 that hired him would say well i don't want to hear anything from you get rid of the body okay so the car and

02:32:05.560 the body that's your next step so where's the car does the sheriff have any leads on any burned out

02:32:11.560 cars where is the car you're not going to drive around with her dna in your car or have they taken

02:32:16.440 this car across the border to mexico and you know it's very telling that there's a group of ladies you

02:32:22.760 know and i'm aware of that group and that most of them are from mexico it happens so frequently that

02:32:27.400 they're looking for bodies that there there's a whole group that does this so that that's a problem

02:32:31.640 um so that's the first lead is do we have the car and then if it's not uh you know someone paid them

02:32:38.120 to do this and they just happen to go into this home to rob her and then all of a sudden they took

02:32:43.400 the body as you were saying because either their dna is on her or you know they think they can get

02:32:48.600 money from her somehow and then she dies same problem we got to do something with this body and

02:32:53.720 i don't think they're going to hold on to the body to try to get money out of it i think they're

02:32:57.160 running from this thing as fast as they possibly can get rid of the body get rid of the car all

02:33:01.720 that and then lastly i just want to say you i think you said something about you know that the guy was

02:33:07.880 smart enough to not get caught well how well was that scene process maybe maybe we missed something

02:33:13.800 maybe it's possible that the you know the people that worked that crime scene they've missed

02:33:18.200 something and and you know obviously there's a high degree of luck here in this situation and

02:33:23.720 and maybe he just got lucky but to me there's a lot of evidence that we still need and you know

02:33:30.040 i can't believe it's not there how how do you even go back and start finding that you know if you were

02:33:38.120 called in now james they said we need you you know suit back up come over here and start anew

02:33:44.920 how would you do it well you got to go back to the motive and who would have a motive to do this to

02:33:49.160 this lady you know is there a financial benefit for someone and that's where you start and you

02:33:54.120 gotta i mean why did this happen and usually it's motive because of money or revenge and that's where

02:33:59.560 you start and then everyone gets looked at again and really really in a very very difficult manner

02:34:06.280 it does seem impossible that this guy maybe more than one but this guy has stumped 400 law enforcement

02:34:14.920 trained seasoned in many cases law enforcement officers from the feds and the sheriff's department

02:34:20.600 it's shocking to me it's shocking that we're here we are 24 days later i i every weekend i kept feeling

02:34:26.280 like they were going to make an arrest um because there is so much evidence that i'm i'm seeing and

02:34:31.720 i don't see all i'm seeing is what i'm watching on television or on you know the internets and behind

02:34:36.440 the scenes they they have a lot more evidence so i just am shocked that here we are 24 days later and

02:34:42.920 we're nowhere right i feel like right now we're praying for a miracle will because yeah i mean the

02:34:50.040 list of i mentioned it so it's uh gun shops nothing video pics of the perp nothing dna inside the house

02:34:57.080 nothing dna on the gloves nothing uh raids nothing um nothing like absolutely nothing uh brian engine was

02:35:04.840 saying now they're going to hotels um trying to ask hotels if they have seen these faces or recognize

02:35:12.680 these names i don't know whether that's a that's turning into anything let's listen to it's not 59

02:35:18.600 and i reported that they were going to um gun stores in tucson with a list of 40 names

02:35:25.080 and 40 photos and there's new reporting today that they're doing the same thing at some hotels

02:35:31.240 what does that tell you i mean on day 20 should that make us think that they haven't really

02:35:36.520 narrowed it down to a couple of people well what i can tell simply by the nature of the case and and

02:35:43.960 what's been revealed to the public at least that doubtful they have contact with the kidnappers or

02:35:51.160 with the abductors uh it would be very unusual to to be so out front in the media and requesting public

02:36:00.040 assistance when you have some level of connection with the perpetrators so that tells me that they're

02:36:06.600 still struggling for those for indicators and clues that's quite interesting and do you guys agree with

02:36:13.640 that yeah totally i mean i agree with james and i agree with eric i mean there have been so many

02:36:19.880 eliminations of suspects um uh the denials or the end of potential evidences or potential clues i mean

02:36:28.520 it's just almost embarrassing because it doesn't give a great deal of hope that there's actually

02:36:34.920 anything positive or productive that's actually being carried out uh and even eliminating you know

02:36:40.440 more useful data like for example the local neighbors cameras uh traffic cameras that may

02:36:46.440 be in operating cellular data which may triangulate uh or whitelist residents phones but also other

02:36:53.160 individuals phones to determine particular leads that may be followed up on the imeis you know that

02:36:58.440 it just seems ridiculous that we're at day 24 and there's no positive um potential direction that we're

02:37:06.200 seeing here but eric this is this is your wheelhouse i think almost exactly because what that was a former

02:37:14.040 fbi agent retired fbi agent who worked in mexico for the feds our feds and um he he's saying what

02:37:20.840 what this tells me is that the authorities do not have contact with the kidnappers because they would

02:37:24.520 not be so flailing like gun shops hotels and like has anybody seen any of these people when you're in

02:37:30.920 an active negotiation with the people but here's why i want to ask you about it because harvey levin of

02:37:35.880 tmz has been saying all along that the feds rightly or wrongly took those first two letters

02:37:42.680 to harvey and then to and the two local stations and then just to the one local station very seriously

02:37:49.880 and that whatever was in those letters harvey intimates and i i'm sorry you do have to take

02:37:55.080 it with a grain of salt because harvey is seems to be very much in enjoying being at the center of a

02:38:00.760 piece of this case and he's been sensationalist in the way he has promoted it so it's possible

02:38:06.760 he's very into the ransom notes i'm not trying to insult the man i'm just saying we have to factor

02:38:10.680 this in he may be trying he may be in love with the alleged ransom letters because that's where he

02:38:15.640 came in all right so discount it however you wish but he says the feds took those two letters

02:38:22.840 extremely seriously and even after the deadline passed for the ransom to be paid continue to take

02:38:29.880 them very very seriously as like a possible lead into the abductor but you're the cyber guy so like

02:38:38.200 wouldn't if they really thought those bitcoin accounts or the one that was in the six million

02:38:43.240 dollar demand letter and then the follow-up letter was going to take them to nancy

02:38:48.040 they they'd know by now wouldn't they we'd have the guy well yeah so you never want to discount any

02:38:53.560 lead and it was a letter that was sent in and it suggests that there was some information in

02:38:58.040 there that at least made them raise an eyebrow and think that maybe they have some inside side

02:39:02.360 information uh now i will say really quickly i i think that everyone in law enforcement working the

02:39:08.280 case is probably pretty annoyed with tmz about dropping little hints of information that are just

02:39:13.400 not helpful at all now as for bitcoin yeah they could have put that amount of money that was asked

02:39:19.880 for and in in the bitcoin transaction they could have sent the keys to that amount of bitcoin to

02:39:26.440 the wallet that was provided which was verified as a real wallet in the first in those different

02:39:33.240 ransom notes now we don't know whether it's the same wallet we don't know if there's different

02:39:36.680 wallets if these are different individuals or the same and that's a problem for us well we were told

02:39:41.240 that the the account that was mentioned in letter number one asking for four million if by this

02:39:45.640 thursday or six if you wait till monday was the same bitcoin account referenced in this second letter

02:39:51.480 that came that didn't have proof of life that led to the first really forlorn video from the

02:39:57.960 guthrie family like right we understand so what could you do you could put some money in it from you

02:40:03.320 you could put some money in it and the way that bitcoin works is it's on open public ledger

02:40:07.880 so the transactions are all full and open in something called the blockchain and so what the fbi could have

02:40:14.040 done is sent the keys into that wallet for a million bitcoin a million dollars worth of bitcoin

02:40:21.240 or you know however many bitcoin and then watched the transactions to see whether the owners of that

02:40:28.520 wallet started to move the keys to other wallets that they own see the trick with bitcoin is we know

02:40:34.440 exactly where every cryptocurrency transaction is going to move it's on a public ledger but until the

02:40:42.360 individual moves that cryptocurrency to a wallet that they control that is attached to some sort

02:40:48.840 of a regulated entity like a bank or coinbase which is the most popular uh then you you can't actually

02:40:55.320 determine who is moving the money and what criminals do if they're very savvy let's say that these

02:41:00.360 kidnappers were working with some very good dark web cyber criminals they can move it through what's

02:41:05.240 called a mixer and the mixers take uh that transaction and move it into a wallet that has massive amounts

02:41:11.560 of keys that for bitcoin in and out and in and out and that makes it a lot harder for the fbi to track

02:41:17.400 it they've been very successful in the past um but either it was a negotiation with the family the

02:41:22.520 family didn't feel comfortable putting that money in or the fbi said it's not worth it we don't know

02:41:27.400 enough about this individual or we can't really confirm that this person knows the sufficient details to

02:41:34.040 take that risk so you know it's a crapshoot how sophisticated do you have to be to know

02:41:39.320 somebody who can give you access to a mixer very you have to be pretty sophisticated you have to be

02:41:45.080 at like foreign intelligence operative level sophistication in order to move those transactions

02:41:51.240 in a way that the fbi can't eventually follow um you know the top tier dark web cyber criminals

02:41:57.160 even fail at it um and you have to get it right every single time i want to know those guys yeah i know

02:42:03.880 those guys but they um but you yeah you they have to get it right every single time you can't make a

02:42:10.120 mistake or the fbi they're very good cyber investigators and uh they will just follow you

02:42:15.240 until you move it to a to a wallet where you try to get the funds because eventually they don't want a

02:42:19.800 bunch of bitcoin that they can't spend you can't buy anything with it they need to turn it into cold

02:42:24.920 hard cash that they can use and uh what does that tell you what does that tell you if anything about

02:42:30.920 the people who wrote those first two letters well look i i suspect that the letters are people who

02:42:37.640 are opportunists that saw this case and were able to at least provide enough information that made

02:42:44.360 the fbi law enforcement believe that it's possible this could be the kidnappers and then there had to be

02:42:50.520 a head scratcher when they never received any open communication so if you're savvy enough

02:42:56.440 to to to find a way to retrieve this money the ransom in bitcoin and then move it through the

02:43:03.320 dark web in order to evade law enforcement you're savvy enough to use different dark web message boards

02:43:09.080 using the tor network or other networks that can at least allow you to be uh somewhat anonymous and and

02:43:15.000 and they're they're pretty good uh to have a cute open communication but we do it all the time with

02:43:20.120 cyber what do you mean with the family yeah with the family with law enforcement we do it all the time

02:43:24.520 with cyber criminals so think of a different case where a a company is locked to all their data is

02:43:29.640 locked by a ransomware attack you know that ransom note that's sent on their servers usually has a

02:43:34.760 link to a dark web message board that keeps the attacker completely anonymous but you can collab you

02:43:40.760 can go back and forth literally typing you know your chat in the message board and they they can give

02:43:45.880 you information if they were that savvy that cyber savvy they could have set that up and the fact that

02:43:52.280 they didn't suggest to me that these uh these ransom notes are are not actually uh ransom notes from

02:43:59.240 kidnappers at all they're opportunists who uh decided they were going to try to cash in on this terrible

02:44:05.880 misfortune well you look like you absolutely i couldn't agree more with eric and certainly if they were

02:44:13.320 cyber capable and they did have the ability to use like eric mentioned tor networks or other means of

02:44:19.800 message boards through the dark web that wouldn't heed them in then presenting proof of life and the

02:44:25.720 proof of life could be communicated via those means again protecting their identity but verifying that

02:44:32.680 they are indeed the individuals that have a credible ransom demand so ultimately yes i mean as we always

02:44:40.280 guessed um these uh particular requests or demands that came in to harvey none of them had any

02:44:46.760 credibility until such time as they were going to provide proof of life of which neither of them

02:44:50.920 have hey megan that what were you gonna say that level of sophistication would not uh be in line with

02:44:58.280 using daisies to try to you know block the camera exactly so i i have a tough time with that one and

02:45:05.400 then the only i was just gonna say how discouraging it is to me that law enforcement is going to a hotel or a

02:45:11.160 gun store or you name it with a list of 40 names what is this casablanca and they're right riding up

02:45:17.160 the you know rounding up the usual suspects i've never gone with a list of 40 names like what that is

02:45:24.840 very discouraging to me yeah i know i i just like if you're so clearly this isn't i i agree it's it's not

02:45:35.400 it's it's almost certainly not the kidnapper who wrote those first two ransom notes or whatever

02:45:40.040 we're calling them but the thought of getting a million dollars has got to be tempting for this

02:45:44.840 guy like now we're talking real money and in the case of you know your common criminal life-changing

02:45:51.320 money so if you were advising savannah like how do you make it i i think i'd want to know how can i

02:46:03.720 assure this criminal i'm actually not that interested in catching him i actually genuinely

02:46:09.480 just want my mom back dead or alive and like i i want to make i i want to get him on the dark web i

02:46:17.480 want you know i know you feds you want to catch him but i just want my mom so like how do i telegraph

02:46:25.160 to him this is how you should contact me it's untraceable the feds can't get you you know what i

02:46:31.400 mean is there a way could you advise her in such a way that's what will's talking about yeah will

02:46:36.600 that's exactly what he's talking about you know people like will you know and he doesn't want the

02:46:42.280 fbi to know that but he could work for her and then behind the scenes be advising to do all those

02:46:48.120 things because from our standpoint but it's too late yeah from our standpoint we want to lock the guy

02:46:53.000 up if somebody comes up and says yeah i know where the body is well the next question we're going to

02:46:58.040 have is how the hell did you know that and you're we're looking at charging you we want someone

02:47:02.520 charged because we're looking at it from the law enforcement lens you know people like will you

02:47:06.920 know they try to i'm going to say they work outside the lines of law enforcement but they certainly

02:47:11.320 have a different you know interest which is let's get this body back and regardless of the justice

02:47:16.120 system so what you're saying is god forbid we have somebody in our lives kidnapped the first call we

02:47:21.880 make is to will not 9-1-1 that's what i would make yeah i mean it depends on the relative it

02:47:30.840 yeah of course i mean it really also depends on the jurisdiction and it depends on where it happens

02:47:35.480 so for example if it was in the united states uh for us it would be very difficult to operate outside

02:47:41.480 uh the boundaries of the law and uh and we wouldn't want to upset the likes of eric and james

02:47:46.840 it should be subsequently discovered the problem is is that savannah is a very well-known personality

02:47:53.160 she's a well-known individual and as eric mentioned much earlier on it was is a question of the opposite

02:47:58.520 because the operational security and the information security around this but if it was in another part

02:48:03.400 of the world where we wouldn't be able to trust i mean we the fbi probably some of the best kidnapped

02:48:09.160 negotiators there are out there and you know one would be able to work efficiently with them but if

02:48:14.360 you're in a part of the world where you don't trust law enforcement local law enforcement because

02:48:18.840 they may very well have some part to play in the kidnapping then you know again it's one of those

02:48:23.720 things which you ultimately you know may choose to do it outside and quietly and clandestinely

02:48:32.360 and now look you know the kidnappers are watching all of this too and they know that the fbi is very

02:48:39.240 involved and that it's very unlike it's unlikely that there's going to be an open way to communicate

02:48:44.760 where the kidnapper is going to be able to stay completely anonymous at this late date even if

02:48:50.760 they're if even if someone was set up if will or i set something up through a dark web network that we

02:48:57.080 created right just for this uh and with instructions for how you can get on here and and everybody can get

02:49:03.160 on here but no one will know who anyone is uh you know you're still going to think if you're the

02:49:07.160 kidnapper and you've been this cautious that it's a trap right and and once again you got a million

02:49:13.480 dollars not worth it to you yeah that calculation is that a million dollars is my greed overcome my

02:49:19.160 sense of personal security and it's 24 days out if you know you would think that we would have heard

02:49:25.880 something if they had her alive certainly and if she's not alive maybe some scheme to uh to try to get

02:49:32.760 money anyway at this point maybe kidnappers just or the abductor right not kidnapper has completely

02:49:38.280 given up yeah i would say they're a lost leader if you if you if i asked you if i were in this

02:49:44.200 position and i said will what's the number to shake something loose like what number you know pick your

02:49:51.480 sum but what's the number to to make somebody call um that's almost like the the length of a piece of

02:49:59.640 string is very very difficult to determine i think you know i agree with eric and james that i think

02:50:05.400 it's a lost leader for whoever has taken her if nancy if it was some sort of kidnapping for ransom

02:50:12.360 the issue is is that the risk is just way too great for them now the best thing that they could

02:50:17.000 do because there's still every good chance that the bureau is going to still try and chase them down

02:50:21.400 and find out who they are the foot it would be for them to leave nancy in a public area so she

02:50:27.480 could be discovered by a member of the general public um perhaps in an environment where there

02:50:32.360 is cctv coverage um but i would say that again they would want to evade detection and apprehension

02:50:38.840 but to to put her in a location where ultimately she could be found by a passerby by a member of the

02:50:45.320 general public and then at least giving the family some peace in terms of the returning of nancy but i think

02:50:52.840 any avenue that they try and pursue now uh is just gonna be too fraught with brisk you know but to go

02:50:59.160 back to the beginning you know like i said earlier there's no honor among thieves one million dollars

02:51:05.000 buys you a lot of grief in in between criminals so there could be someone who's on the periphery of

02:51:10.760 this had nothing to do with it just saw it knows about it is told to keep quiet who suddenly their their

02:51:17.160 lips loosen because a million dollars is on the line so there's the hope there i mean that is where

02:51:22.280 this can push somebody who had you know who is really far in the date line yeah it's the wife

02:51:29.720 of like a second tier accomplice yes in the date line it's like yeah the spouse of somebody who's

02:51:35.960 loyal to the guy but the spouse is not loyal to the guy and she's seeing a life-changing sum and they're

02:51:41.640 not primarily responsible so like maybe you have some responsibility but not the main responsibility

02:51:47.000 and the fbi would 100 cut you a deal yeah if you are a low-level perp attached to this as opposed

02:51:53.000 to the main guy people should know that too well another fascinating discussion you guys we'll do it

02:51:58.280 all over again when we get the next significant update appreciate talking to you and all your

02:52:02.680 expertise thank you thank you thank you megan yeah thank you wow oh my gosh i mean honestly we took a

02:52:10.440 day off and thought this case had really dried up and i think it has sadly i think it has dried up but

02:52:15.480 that that was a lot i mean that that's why savannah did the ransom note i mean she she did that message

02:52:20.520 because she knows it's drying up too she sees the media leaving i'm sure she's read the reports about

02:52:25.800 the cops drawing back in terms of the number of staff of course you know they have other crimes to

02:52:30.840 solve they have missing kids they have murderers you know they and and the guthries donated a

02:52:35.960 five hundred thousand dollars to the center for missing and exploited children too

02:52:39.800 so they've got other responsibilities there are missing children right now who don't get one

02:52:43.560 tenth of this coverage and attention and um things feel like they're starting to wither on the vine

02:52:49.800 so she's trying to keep the story in the news contrary to what the local lawmaker and some

02:52:55.000 other critics over at msnbc think is appropriate media coverage is a blessing for any family that has

02:53:02.040 a missing loved one we'll stay on it and we'll also stay on the state of the union and have that

02:53:06.840 fully covered for you tomorrow with the guys from rcp see you then thanks for listening to the megan

02:53:14.920 kelly show no bs no agenda and no fear

02:53:24.120 the 2026 maverick with ford flex bed storage system for those that see more than a stack of lumber

02:53:30.120 more than four empty walls more than just a blank page the ford maverick made to fit designed to

02:53:40.120 flex right now get purchase financing from 4.99 apr for up to 72 months on all 2026 maverick models

02:53:47.560 visit your toronto area ford store or ford.ca today

The Megyn Kelly Show - February 24, 2026

Leftists Melt Down Over Men's Hockey Team and Trump, and Bombshell New Guthrie Reporting, with Andrew Klavan, Geddes, Hamilton, and O'Neill ｜ Ep. 1259

Episode Stats

Length

Words per Minute

Word Count

Sentence Count

Misogynist Sentences

Hate Speech Sentences

Summary

Transcript